From various sources including Flickr and Twitter, a slideshow of some of the tea party festivities, mostly around Washington DC’s Freedom Plaza.
(Click the picture to start the slideshow.)
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:49:26pm |
Got to have the proper music to set the mood:
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DaddyG Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:51:54pm |
re: #2 Varek Raith
What the hell is a "Constition"???
XD
Its the Constitution with parts missing. The one they like to quote as being against the income tax. /
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:52:21pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:52:25pm |
re: #4 DaddyG
Its the Constitution with parts missing. The one they like to quote as being against the income tax. /
Heh!
:)
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:52:36pm |
Second pic, you know there's nothing like the threat of a little friendly trepanation to show that American Democracy is alive and well...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:53:05pm |
MERRY TAXMAS EVERYBODY!!!
Public schools and parks, indoor plumbing, maintained roadways, sewage treatment facilities, law enforcement officers and firefighters, public libraries, and on and on.
Today is the day we reflect on our blessings that make our society great, and give thanks by rendering unto Cesar.
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ShaunP Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:53:49pm |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, Sodom
Technically that was a city, but I'll give you that one... :p
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:54:31pm |
Gosh darn it, why can't we legalize the Constition anyway! We have the right to a safe, legal Constition, darn it.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:54:50pm |
Also what the f*** was honestly up with the Star Wars protest sign? Did he honestly think that anyone would take him seriously with something like that?
Obama is taking command of our armies, soon he'll order his soldiers to...
No, wait, I think whatever snarky thing I'm about to say next, I've already heard that rumor...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:55:11pm |
The McCarthy one says it all for me.
These people are absolutely insane if they want to bring that shit back.
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DaddyG Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:55:15pm |
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DaddyG Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:56:51pm |
You people have some fun Tea Parties. Here in Atlanta I just saw a bunch of seasoned citizens in shorts and floppy hats converging on the Capitol. Tomorrow is Freaknik.
We're going from Beach Wear to Baby Phat in 24 hours.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:57:01pm |
re: #3 ShaunP
What nations were destroyed by sodomy?
Oh, they always claim Rome for that, but I believe it was actually the lead in the water, and the Visigoths, and sodomy was kind of incidental to the whole thing.
Note: there is actually no statistical evidence suggesting that prosperity and prowess in war is linked to heterosexuality.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:57:20pm |
re: #11 jamesfirecat
Also what the f*** was honestly up with the Star Wars protest sign? Did he honestly think that anyone would take him seriously with something like that?
Obama is taking command of our armies, soon he'll order his soldiers to...
No, wait, I think whatever snarky thing I'm about to say next, I've already heard that rumor...
It was the federal government as Jabba the Hutt, eating taxpayers alive, just and Jabba does to small creatures in Return of the Jedi.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:57:46pm |
I can smell the crazy through the internet....
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DaddyG Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:57:51pm |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, they always claim Rome for that, but I believe it was actually the lead in the water, and the Visigoths, and sodomy was kind of incidental to the whole thing.
Note: there is actually no statistical evidence suggesting that prosperity and prowess in war is linked to heterosexuality.
The Visigoths... yeah now there is a lesson in illegal immigration gone bad.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:57:58pm |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, they always claim Rome for that, but I believe it was actually the lead in the water, and the Visigoths, and sodomy was kind of incidental to the whole thing.
Note: there is actually no statistical evidence suggesting that prosperity and prowess in war is linked to heterosexuality.
Its all Greek to me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:58:20pm |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, Sodom
In the Jewish tradition, actually, Sodom was destroyed because the people treated the poor and the stranger with no compassion.
I will not comment on why this understanding of the text might not resonate with the people at this rally.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:58:32pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
It was the federal government as Jabba the Hutt, eating taxpayers alive, just and Jabba does to small creatures in Return of the Jedi.
Holy shit, don't tell me Palin's the one to kill Jabba......
:/
XD
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:58:33pm |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, they always claim Rome for that, but I believe it was actually the lead in the water, and the Visigoths, and sodomy was kind of incidental to the whole thing.
Note: there is actually no statistical evidence suggesting that prosperity and prowess in war is linked to heterosexuality.
Sparta in fact had sodomy, as well as the best army in Greece.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:58:35pm |
re: #11 jamesfirecat
That one is a Paul-bot. You can tell by the rEVOLution slogan.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:58:49pm |
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:59:10pm |
re: #22 Varek Raith
Holy shit, don't tell me Palin's the one to kill Jabba...
:/XD
No, but rumor has it she does like being put on a leash.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:59:27pm |
The most fitting theme song:
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:59:53pm |
re: #12 Stanley Sea
It comes up occasionally, the revisionism around McCarthy is amazing.
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middy Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:00:06pm |
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:00:16pm |
re: #22 Varek Raith
Holy shit, don't tell me Palin's the one to kill Jabba...
:/XD
/I heard she was gonna shoot him from a helicopter...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:00:18pm |
re: #11 jamesfirecat
Also what the f*** was honestly up with the Star Wars protest sign? Did he honestly think that anyone would take him seriously with something like that?
Obama is taking command of our armies, soon he'll order his soldiers to...
No, wait, I think whatever snarky thing I'm about to say next, I've already heard that rumor...
I damn well hope Obama has already taken command of our armies. He's been president for over a year. He's WAY behind, if we haven't gotten to that.
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DaddyG Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:00:24pm |
BBL I'm going to attempt to catch a bus amongst the fun on Capitol Hill in Atlanta. Pray I'm not trampled by someone with a walker and a sign that obstructs their view.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:00:27pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
It was the federal government as Jabba the Hutt, eating taxpayers alive, just and Jabba does to small creatures in Return of the Jedi.
Yes I could clearly see that, I'm just wondering why anyone thought that was a metaphore that people would take seriously.
/I mean Dick Cheney in a Darth Vader suit that's a metaphore that I can get behind because both of them served as second in commands and have long ago abandoned the weakness of flesh, replacing it with naught but blissfully perfect machines with only a pathetic soulless veneer of humanity still remaining on the surface.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:00:40pm |
re: #22 Varek Raith
Holy shit, don't tell me Palin's the one to kill Jabba...
:/XD
Don't worry about it. You've got your Death Star ahead of schedule. When the Teabagger rebels attack it, they'll find no weak points, only a superlaser waiting to blast them and fleet of Star Destroyers hemming them in.
/Stay on Target!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:02:06pm |
re: #33 jamesfirecat
Yes I could clearly see that, I'm just wondering why anyone thought that was a metaphore that people would take seriously.
/I mean Dick Cheney in a Darth Vader suit that's a metaphore that I can get behind because both of them served as second in commands and have long ago abandoned the weakness of flesh, replacing it with naught but blissfully perfect machines with only a pathetic soulless veneer of humanity still remaining on the surface.
Well, if big government does not eat taxpayers alive, it does each the wealth they need to live. And it eats it in larger portions than it should, IMO.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:02:11pm |
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:02:33pm |
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:02:42pm |
re: #33 jamesfirecat
An upding just for the verbal acuity of your post. Well done!
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:02:50pm |
re: #36 jamesfirecat
I challenge that with some Cap Steps, though I suppose it's a little on the nose...
[Video]
Both of you are wrong. Please see post #1
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:02:55pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
Well, if big government does not eat taxpayers alive, it does each the wealth they need to live. And it eats it in larger portions than it should, IMO.
morbid obesity...
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:03:01pm |
re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist
I damn well hope Obama has already taken command of our armies. He's been president for over a year. He's WAY behind, if we haven't gotten to that.
Has Obama even made anyone drop and give him twenty? I bet not. What a slacker.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:03:02pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:03:17pm |
Some of these people look like they could use a good daily constitional.
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:04:00pm |
I was afraid I might see a face I know among teh crazee. Truly bizarre.
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stonemason Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:04:12pm |
Nuts to be sure, but c'mon, admit it, some of you joined me and laughed at the "Somewhere in Kenya button".
Just a little?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:04:34pm |
re: #36 jamesfirecat
I challenge that with some Cap Steps, though I suppose it's a little on the nose...
[Video]
Upding for giving the Capitol Steps some love.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:04:40pm |
re: #23 Dark_Falcon
Sparta in fact had sodomy, as well as the best army in Greece.
Also a high social status for women, despite much moaning from a certain sort of so-con that women's status is damaged by social acceptance of homosexuality.
Also, they had a high marriage age, which was quite healthy, and wife-swapping.
Most of the rest of their society was horrible, but I do give the Spartans credit for the good bits.
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ShaunP Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:04:45pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
In the Jewish tradition, actually, Sodom was destroyed because the people treated the poor and the stranger with no compassion.
I will not comment on why this understanding of the text might not resonate with the people at this rally.
Bah, what do Jewish people know about the old testiment... ///
Your response intrigued me though, so I dug a little deeper. This in particular is very interesting:
...A rabbinic tradition, described in the Mishnah, postulates that the sin of Sodom was related to property: Sodomites believed that "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is yours"
I find that very interesting in context of the tea parties...
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:05:13pm |
re: #37 SteveB4
I sorta liked it.
Yes, but you're the guy who thought that a civil rights veteran brought up the fact that he was called the N-word so as to take people's attention off of what was actually in the bill that he had just passed.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:05:27pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
Also a high social status for women, despite much moaning from a certain sort of so-con that women's status is damaged by social acceptance of homosexuality.
Also, they had a high marriage age, which was quite healthy, and wife-swapping.
Most of the rest of their society was horrible, but I do give the Spartans credit for the good bits.
I learn something new every day.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:05:41pm |
re: #44 Irenicum
I was afraid I might see a face I know among teh crazee. Truly bizarre.
I get that same creeping fear regarding ex-girlfriends and the dirty magazines on display at the liquor store.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:05:48pm |
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shiplord kirel Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:05:57pm |
McCarthy?
Oh yeah, I saw him on MASH. He was that general who invaded Korea because he thought they were communists, but TV was invented and commie reporters forced the president to fire him.
///
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:06:10pm |
re: #32 DaddyG
BBL I'm going to attempt to catch a bus amongst the fun on Capitol Hill in Atlanta. Pray I'm not trampled by someone with a walker and a sign that obstructs their view.
Godspeed.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:06:26pm |
Teabagger threads on LGF now regularly trigger ads for "buy gold" companies...wonder why.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:06:43pm |
re: #45 stonemason
Nuts to be sure, but c'mon, admit it, some of you joined me and laughed at the "Somewhere in Kenya button".
Just a little?
No.
Not even a little.
Would it be okay to try and suggest that McCain was really born in some Latin American nation and thus isn't a real American Citizen?
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:06:55pm |
re: #55 Cato the Elder
Teabagger threads on LGF now regularly trigger ads for "buy gold" companies...wonder why.
BIG GOLD IS RIPPING US OFF!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:07:10pm |
re: #45 stonemason
Nuts to be sure, but c'mon, admit it, some of you joined me and laughed at the "Somewhere in Kenya button".
Just a little?
It was a popular one under Bush, too. "Somewhere in Texas..."
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:08:14pm |
re: #44 Irenicum
I was afraid I might see a face I know among teh crazee. Truly bizarre.
I was once at a counterprotest at the Israeli Consulate when I saw two women, one on our side, one on theirs, recognize one another.
They met over the barricade, and started yelling at each other in Russian, ignoring the cop who was trying to scoot them apart.
It happens in my line of activism more often than anyone likes.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:08:15pm |
re: #59 Cato the Elder
Which was just as wrong, since Bush was from Connecticut, but at least it wasn't a clearly racist allegation that he was born outside the US.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:08:34pm |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
... It smells of EPIC FAIL.
I like this one.
Image: you-fail-at-failing-at-failing-fail-demotivational-poster-1228356705.gif
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:08:41pm |
re: #55 Cato the Elder
Teabagger threads on LGF now regularly trigger ads for "buy gold" companies...wonder why.
My guess is GoldLine looks for teabagger sites as they are filled with gullible people. Our use of tea party and teabagger here probably gets picked up by their crawler.
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What, me worry? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:08:45pm |
Smile when you say HITLER, missy.
Oh she already did.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:09:29pm |
re: #49 jamesfirecat
re: #37 SteveB4
Yes, but you're the guy who thought that a civil rights veteran brought up the fact that he was called the N-word so as to take people's attention off of what was actually in the bill that he had just passed.
Not quite. I was the guy who said it was a "nontroversy" in comparison to the passage of the bill itself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:10:39pm |
re: #59 Cato the Elder
It was a popular one under Bush, too. "Somewhere in Texas..."
Yes, but BUSH WAS REALLY FROM TEXAS!!!
/You know that.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:11:11pm |
re: #66 SteveB4
Not quite. I was the guy who said it was a "nontroversy" in comparison to the passage of the bill itself.
Because that's a really useful thing to compare. Seriously, dude, you don't want to fight that fight all over again. The bill has had plenty of discussion here, and whining that there are posts about black representatives having racist slurs screamed at them is rude.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:11:15pm |
re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, but BUSH WAS REALLY FROM TEXAS!!!
/You know that.
Wrong! Bush, like Obama, is from Alpha Draconis.
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Macha Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:11:20pm |
re: #23 Dark_Falcon
Sparta in fact had sodomy, as well as the best army in Greece.
Well there's a good reason to get rid of don't ask, don't tell.
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stonemason Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:11:43pm |
re: #56 jamesfirecat
No.
Not even a little.
Would it be okay to try and suggest that McCain was really born in some Latin American nation and thus isn't a real American Citizen?
Sorry that you have no sense of humor. I guess it was the long years of seeing the President called "chimpy" that has me desensitized to it. I do agree that it is very disresepcful, no matter the President, but if we can't chuckle at things, what good is life?
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:11:53pm |
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stonemason Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:12:20pm |
re: #59 Cato the Elder
It was a popular one under Bush, too. "Somewhere in Texas..."
Now that you mention it...I do remember that.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:12:27pm |
re: #62 Obdicut
Which was just as wrong, since Bush was from Connecticut, but at least it wasn't a clearly racist allegation that he was born outside the US.
I don't get that one, how does where your born affect your race?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:12:43pm |
re: #70 Macha
Well there's a good reason to get rid of don't ask, don't tell.
Somehow, I can't see the US fielding the equivalent of the Sacred Band of Thebes.
I can, however, easily see us turning it into a reality show.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:12:45pm |
re: #55 Cato the Elder
Teabagger threads on LGF now regularly trigger ads for "buy gold" companies...wonder why.
Because radio shows from Glenn Beck to Thom Hartmann and Rachel Maddow advertise the product. I guess the product is interesting to the right and the left.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:12:47pm |
re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, born in Connecticut, grew up in Texas, went to prep school in Massachusetts, college in Connecticut-- whoever wants him can claim him, I guess.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:13:17pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:13:22pm |
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:13:27pm |
re: #63 Varek Raith
I like this one.
Image: you-fail-at-failing-at-failing-fail-demotivational -poster-1228356705.gif
My three favorites:
Image: fail-2.jpg
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:13:37pm |
re: #71 stonemason
Sorry that you have no sense of humor. I guess it was the long years of seeing the President called "chimpy" that has me desensitized to it. I do agree that it is very disresepcful, no matter the President, but if we can't chuckle at things, what good is life?
Applied to Bush, it was not funny, but also not controversial.
Applied to Obama it would be fine, if they would just say "Hawaii" or "Illinois".
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:14:01pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:14:05pm |
re: #74 brookly red
I don't get that one, how does where your born affect your race?
Sorry, are you claiming not to get why the claim that Obama was born in Kenya is racist?
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:14:38pm |
re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
BIG GOLD IS RIPPING US OFF!
I always ask gold bugs; If gold is such an obvious screaming buy, who is selling?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:14:59pm |
re: #77 Obdicut
Well, born in Connecticut, grew up in Texas, went to prep school in Massachusetts, college in Connecticut-- whoever wants him can claim him, I guess.
Spent most of his life in Texas, governor there, lives there when at home--I say he's a Texan.
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stonemason Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:08pm |
re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist
Applied to Bush, it was not funny, but also not controversial.
Applied to Obama it would be fine, if they would just say "Hawaii" or "Illinois".
But the Keyna part makes the wearer an idiot too, see, 'cause they're a birther. I got two chuckles from the same button...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:17pm |
re: #83 Obdicut
Sorry, are you claiming not to get why the claim that Obama was born in Kenya is racist?
Why don't you explain it to us?
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simoom Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:25pm |
More birthers:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing it's natural born idiot!
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Your dog has birth papers. Do you mister President?
Also:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Obamunism is economic slavery.The Evil Muslim Radical Face of (photo of Joker-Obama).
Obama's Afro(?)-Engineered Socialism(?) is Destroying America. Obamunism Must Fall!
[Link: tweetphoto.com...]
Public Schools harm children. Let my children go.
[Link: tweetphoto.com...]
I don't give a damn that Obama is black. It scares the hell out of me that he is red.
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Say No to the "New World Order". Say "Yes" to "Jesus".
(I have no clue why Jesus is in quotes)
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:27pm |
re: #66 SteveB4
Not quite. I was the guy who said it was a "nontroversy" in comparison to the passage of the bill itself.
You're also the guy who said that
"I just think it is beyond ridiculous that we've entered such a superficial period in our history, when hurtful language is used to justify sweeping and unpopular governmental power grabs."
re: #66 SteveB4
Not quite. I was the guy who said it was a "nontroversy" in comparison to the passage of the bill itself.
Fair enough. I still find your sense of taste somewhat lacking the same way I do Stonemason's.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:35pm |
Just an idle thought: Did GWB ever release his Connecticutt birth certificate?
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:53pm |
Oh noes!
I just received the little newsletter the local city council mails out. They have cancelled this year's Fourth of July parade due to lack of funds!
It teh Outrageous Outrage!
(Actually it does suck since I could always watch the fireworks from the back porch)
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:16:01pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:16:16pm |
re: #86 stonemason
But the Keyna part makes the wearer an idiot too, see, 'cause they're a birther. I got two chuckles from the same button...
Well, that's one way to look at at it, I suppose. A very positive one at that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:16:26pm |
A look into a possible, future blog post:
November 7th, 2012
"I HOPE EVERYONE WHO THOUGHT KNEEJERK RACISM, CONSPIRACY MONGERING, AND ABJECT HYPERBOLE WERE PART OF VALID POLITICAL PLATFORM ARE FUCKING HAPPY NOW!"
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:16:29pm |
re: #87 Walter L. Newton
Why don't you explain it to us?
Because Charles has done a perfectly good job of explaining it in multiple posts on multiple occasions.
Why don't you explain it to us, Walter?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:16:34pm |
re: #89 jamesfirecat
Fair enough. I still find your sense of taste somewhat lacking the same way I do Stonemason's.
GAH!
Damn it ignore the top half of my post, was thinking about snarking then wanted to bury the hatchet, but forgot to delete enough of my post....
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:16:48pm |
Saying Bush was an idiot is a matter of opinion.
Its not the 'a village is missing it's idiot' part that is racist, its the 'somewhere in Kenya'.
I don't believe for a second that the whole birther thing has to do with anything other than pure racism.
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stonemason Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:00pm |
re: #89 jamesfirecat
Fair enough. I still find your sense of taste somewhat lacking the same way I do Stonemason's.
LOL...this from...oh, nevermind
You do make me chuckle though James.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:14pm |
re: #90 Shiplord Kirel
Just an idle thought: Did GWB ever release his Connecticutt birth certificate?
I'm willing to take Barbara's word on it.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:53pm |
re: #83 Obdicut
Sorry, are you claiming not to get why the claim that Obama was born in Kenya is racist?
I think race is determined by genetics... but you can read what ever you want into the button.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:18:05pm |
re: #95 Obdicut
Because Charles has done a perfectly good job of explaining it in multiple posts on multiple occasions.
Why don't you explain it to us, Walter?
I want you take on it. I was speaking to you, not Charles. I see, you have no answer? You don't even know if I agree with you are not. Just we'll never know.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:18:21pm |
re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth
A look into a possible, future blog post:
November 7th, 2012
"I HOPE EVERYONE WHO THOUGHT KNEEJERK RACISM, CONSPIRACY MONGERING, AND ABJECT HYPERBOLE WERE PART OF A VALID POLITICAL PLATFORM ARE FUCKING HAPPY NOW!"
slight correction for grammar.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:18:22pm |
re: #96 jamesfirecat
re: #89 jamesfirecat
GAH!Damn it ignore the top half of my post, was thinking about snarking then wanted to bury the hatchet, but forgot to delete enough of my post...
No problem. :)
I should clarify that I do think that some progressives have used the race thing as a diversion from the healtcare bill itself. However I wouldn't say that about the man who claimed to hear the n-word. For all I know he really did.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:18:53pm |
re: #97 Fozzie Bear
Saying Bush was an idiot is a matter of opinion.
Its not the 'a village is missing it's idiot' part that is racist, its the 'somewhere in Kenya'.
I don't believe for a second that the whole birther thing has to do with anything other than pure racism.
Quite Concur.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:18:57pm |
re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist
Applied to Bush, it was not funny, but also not controversial.
Applied to Obama it would be fine, if they would just say "Hawaii" or "Illinois".
Instead, they go with what they think is a cleverly hidden form of "Go back to Africa".
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:20:36pm |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
I want you take on it. I was speaking to you, not Charles. I see, you have no answer? You don't even know if I agree with you are not. Just we'll never know.
Whatever that word salad was supposed to mean, I did answer you, Walter. Charles has done a perfectly good job of showing the links between birtherism and racism. I don't think it's something that needs going over.
If you do, feel free to go over the topic.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:21:33pm |
re: #108 Obdicut
Whatever that word salad was supposed to mean, I did answer you, Walter. Charles has done a perfectly good job of showing the links between birtherism and racism. I don't think it's something that needs going over.
If you do, feel free to go over the topic.
You don't know?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:21:41pm |
Roll with the Changes by REO Speedwagon is playing in the background of this tea party interview on MSNBC.
hahaha
Keep on rollin!
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:21:56pm |
re: #101 brookly red
I think race is determined by genetics... but you can read what ever you want into the button.
What does race being determined by genetics (which is actually not really a very good claim) have to do with it?
Are you saying that you don't believe that birtherism is sourced in racism?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:22:33pm |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
I want you take on it. I was speaking to you, not Charles. I see, you have no answer? You don't even know if I agree with you are not. Just we'll never know.
One theory works like this:
How many democrats were there who made an issue of the fact that John McCain was born outside the US?
McCain was born in Panama but nobody ever bothers to bring it up, because he looks like one of us....
Barack Obama doesn't look like "one of us" and so he is suspect.
How many people argued that while Jon McCain was in Vietnam he might have been carefully brainwashed so even he didn't realize he had been and that letting him become president would be turning the nation over to the communists?
Once again your average white person looks at McCain and sees "one of us" they look at Barack Obama and they don't....
So once they've concluded that he's not "one of us" they try to distort the facts of the mater till they line up with their preconcieved notions.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:22:57pm |
re: #109 Walter L. Newton
You don't know?
I'm not going to play, Walter. I've answered you perfectly sufficiently. If you don't think that birtherism is linked to racism, even after everything Charles has posted on the subject, then go ahead and make that argument.
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What, me worry? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:23:29pm |
re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, but BUSH WAS REALLY FROM TEXAS!!!
/You know that.
The first thing I thought was "not very original."
The second thing I thought was... well I just giggled. Is that horrible of me? It's a funny saying.
The "End of Days Man" made me smile. Isn't there always one of those guys in every crowd?
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:23:36pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
What does race being determined by genetics (which is actually not really a very good claim) have to do with it?
Are you saying that you don't believe that birtherism is sourced in racism?
I assumed he meant racism is determined by genetics, which is just as dumb.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:23:39pm |
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:24:44pm |
re: #114 marjoriemoon
The "End of Days Man" made me smile. Isn't there always one of those guys in every crowd?
In the teabag crowd, there's usually 30 or 40 of them.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:24:47pm |
re: #112 jamesfirecat
One theory works like this:
How many democrats were there who made an issue of the fact that John McCain was born outside the US?
McCain was born in Panama but nobody ever bothers to bring it up, because he looks like one of us...
Barack Obama doesn't look like "one of us" and so he is suspect.
How many people argued that while Jon McCain was in Vietnam he might have been carefully brainwashed so even he didn't realize he had been and that letting him become president would be turning the nation over to the communists?
Once again your average white person looks at McCain and sees "one of us" they look at Barack Obama and they don't...
So once they've concluded that he's not "one of us" they try to distort the facts of the mater till they line up with their preconcieved notions.
Now I get it? LOL. You're humor is subtle, but I can see glimpses of brilliance between the utterly inane and meaningless paragraphs. The brilliant blank spaces.
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:25:00pm |
The national divisiveness has been developing for a long time and IMHO it antedated the "teabaggers" and is much caused by the two party system.
In addition I did not think that Mr Obama could effectively govern the whole country after some of the derogatory slips he made about groups here in the USA during his campaign, and I think events are bearing this out. Remember that the tone is set by the guy at the top. It is on his watch that this is happening.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:25:39pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
What does race being determined by genetics (which is actually not really a very good claim) have to do with it?
Are you saying that you don't believe that birtherism is sourced in racism?
I believe that some birthers are racist, I have no idea where it was sourced.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:25:55pm |
re: #113 Obdicut
I'm not going to play, Walter. I've answered you perfectly sufficiently. If you don't think that birtherism is linked to racism, even after everything Charles has posted on the subject, then go ahead and make that argument.
I haven't made any argument... have I?
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cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:25:56pm |
People protesting government spending, it's just not fair. People are supposed to protest war, and evil corporations, and stuff like that. C'mon, stop it, tea partiers.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:26:06pm |
re: #119 Ojoe
The national divisiveness has been developing for a long time and IMHO it antedated the "teabaggers" and is much caused by the two party system.
In addition I did not think that Mr Obama could effectively govern the whole country after some of the derogatory slips he made about groups here in the USA during his campaign, and I think events are bearing this out. Remember that the tone is set by the guy at the top. It is on his watch that this is happening.
Bolded part. Please expand.
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Batman Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:26:14pm |
"Poop" is just genius. It's hard to believe they can sum up everything they stand for with just one word, but it works so perfectly.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:26:28pm |
re: #122 cliffster
People protesting government spending, it's just not fair. People are supposed to protest war, and evil corporations, and stuff like that. C'mon, stop it, tea partiers.
(clapping)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:26:46pm |
re: #110 Stanley Sea
I prefer REO Speedealer.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:27:06pm |
re: #119 Ojoe
Oh for the love of Mike. Yeah, I'm sure the protesters are all out there because of Obama's 'tone'.
Blaming Obama's aspect for the level of discontent against him is pretty nuts.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:27:17pm |
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:27:30pm |
re: #115 Vambo
I assumed he meant racism is determined by genetics, which is just as dumb.
no, I meant that location of birth has no affect on race. You are what your parents are no more no less.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:27:51pm |
re: #126 Slumbering Behemoth
re: #110 Stanley Sea
I prefer REO Speedealer.
You're not gonna believe this, but I know those guys. Sorta.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:28:01pm |
re: #122 cliffster
People protesting government spending, it's just not fair. People are supposed to protest war, and evil corporations, and stuff like that. C'mon, stop it, tea partiers.
They're not protesting spending. They can't name anything that they actually want us to cut spending on. They don't want social security or Medicare or the military cut.
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hc4bo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:28:33pm |
OBVIOUSLY, most of these people are librul plants ...
Begs me to ask the question, HOW LARGE is this "real" Tea Party group ... ?
REALLY ???
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:28:38pm |
re: #120 brookly red
I believe that some birthers are racist, I have no idea where it was sourced.
I actually come at it from the other direction. I don't know if most birthers are racist, I suspect many of them simply believe most conspiracy theories about Barack Obama, and this one is no exception. The source I see as being based squarely in racism, xenophobia, and a determination to find the the election invalid by any means necessary.
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cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:29:27pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
They're not protesting spending. They can't name anything that they actually want us to cut spending on. They don't want social security or Medicare or the military cut.
They're such a bunch of meanies.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:29:29pm |
re: #133 hc4bo
OBVIOUSLY, most of these people are librul plants ...
Begs me to ask the question, HOW LARGE is this "real" Tea Party group ... ?
REALLY ???
Heh, I think SFZ pointed that out earlier.
XD
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:29:36pm |
re: #128 Ojoe
Bitter clingers, etc.
I do not think that Mr McCain could effectively govern the whole country after some of the derogatory slips his VP made about groups here in the USA during his campaign, and I think that had he been elected events would have born my prediction out. Remember that the tone is set by the guy (or girl) at the top.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:29:46pm |
re: #130 brookly red
no, I meant that location of birth has no affect on race. You are what your parents are no more no less.
Oh for Pete's sake, did somebody declare 'asinine argument day' when I wasn't looking? If I'd have known, I'd have made the case for Shakespeare actually being Aphra Behn with a time machine.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:30:34pm |
Information disease at its worst. Scary.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:30:37pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
Are you saying that you don't believe that birtherism is sourced in racism?
My two cents? I believe some of it is based on racism, but I think most of it is based on a childish notion that there exists a magical, silver bullet designed to take out a non-existent werewolf.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:30:42pm |
re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist
I actually come at it from the other direction. I don't know if most birthers are racist, I suspect many of them simply believe most conspiracy theories about Barack Obama, and this one is no exception. The source I see as being based squarely in racism, xenophobia, and a determination to find the the election invalid by any means necessary.
I will accept that.
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recusancy Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:30:47pm |
re: #137 jamesfirecat
I do not think that Mr McCain could effectively govern the whole country after some of the derogatory slips his VP made about groups here in the USA during his campaign, and I think that had he been elected events would have born my prediction out. Remember that the tone is set by the guy (or gal) at the top.
fify. You wouldn't say boy so don't say girl.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:30:56pm |
re: #138 Obdicut
Oh for Pete's sake, did somebody declare 'asinine argument day' when I wasn't looking? If I'd have known, I'd have made the case for Shakespeare actually being Aphra Behn with a time machine.
FACEPALM. Way to let the cat outta the bag.
Sigh, centuries of planning RUINED!
/
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:30:59pm |
re: #135 cliffster
They're such a bunch of meanies.
No, not really. Just hypocritical and ineffective. I don't see them actually doing anything that mean to anyone.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:31:03pm |
re: #138 Obdicut
Oh for Pete's sake, did somebody declare 'asinine argument day' when I wasn't looking? If I'd have known, I'd have made the case for Shakespeare actually being Aphra Behn with a time machine.
No you wouldn't of. You would have told us that Albert Einstein already made that argument and you see no need to expound on it :)
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:31:05pm |
re: #122 cliffster
People protesting government spending, it's just not fair. People are supposed to protest war, and evil corporations, and stuff like that. C'mon, stop it, tea partiers.
war & corporate bailouts = government spending.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:31:38pm |
re: #138 Obdicut
Oh for Pete's sake, did somebody declare 'asinine argument day' when I wasn't looking? If I'd have known, I'd have made the case for Shakespeare actually being Aphra Behn with a time machine.
oh just call me some names & get over you self...
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:31:38pm |
re: #133 hc4bo
OBVIOUSLY, most of these people are librul plants ...
Begs me to ask the question, HOW LARGE is this "real" Tea Party group ... ?
REALLY ???
About 30 percent as large as it claims to be. The other 70% are plants and reporters.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
Not saying Tea Party is like the Klan in any way other than the ratio of real members who actually believe in what they are saying to those just along for the yucks/to break a story.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:32:03pm |
re: #131 SteveB4
You're not gonna believe this, but I know those guys. Sorta.
That's the only album I have of theirs. Tell 'em I think it's pretty awesome.
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Macha Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:32:14pm |
I just got back from one of the two grocery stores in town. The "baggers" were out in force, swarming around the entry. They were pushing a petition about somehthing or other. I didn't want to let any of them engage me, so didn't stop to see what they are proposing. Have any of the rest of you encountered TB's out there bleating their blather in this kind of small group format today?
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:32:24pm |
re: #138 Obdicut
Oh for Pete's sake, did somebody declare 'asinine argument day' when I wasn't looking? If I'd have known, I'd have made the case for Shakespeare actually being Aphra Behn with a time machine.
Thats just silly.
Everyone knows Maury Winkler was Bill's silent partner who did all the real work.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:32:28pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
They're not protesting spending. They can't name anything that they actually want us to cut spending on. They don't want social security or Medicare or the military cut.
Exactly. If you want to cut spending, you have to give a concrete example you plan to cut.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:32:32pm |
re: #122 cliffster
People protesting government spending, it's just not fair. People are supposed to protest war, and evil corporations, and stuff like that. C'mon, stop it, tea partiers.
Problem is, they're not protesting government spending, they're protesting government spending by this administration, on stuff that may or may not actually get government money spent on it, which they can't completely articulate, and any future government spending which may occur.
If a Republican is elected to the presidency in 2012 or 2016, this movement will end as though cut off with a knife. Finito. Even if the Republican spends us into new, special realms of debt not yet known to man, and is actually caught kneeling before a Saudi, this will be over.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:32:34pm |
Random quote:
Looks like you got a little herpes on your lip there. You been kissin' your wifes ass,
After I put Herpes in there?
OK return to your regularly scheduled programming.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:33:08pm |
re: #143 recusancy
fify. You wouldn't say boy so don't say girl.
Hey hey hey, I'm a liberal, being needlessly PC is my job, and it's the only job I have which is why I pick up these unemployment checks, don't take that away from me!
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:33:40pm |
re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth
I think you're right; as always, there's two kinds of racism, the hard-ass "Witch doctor" kind of racism we saw from the tea party guy who was sending those pictures around, and the soft kind of racism that involves not being able to figure out that trying to claim Obama was born in Kenya when there is zero evidence for it and a mountain against it has a distinct racist overtone to it. Or not caring that it does. The kind of racism where you can be at a protest with clearly racist signs and not leave or as those people to leave.
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:33:43pm |
re: #130 brookly red
no, I meant that location of birth has no affect on race. You are what your parents are no more no less.
well duh, but why does everyone insist Obama was born in Kenya & is not a citizen? His Republican opponent WAS born in Panama, and yet nobody asked for John McCain's birth certificate.
You can look the other way if you want, but it's really really obvious.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:33:53pm |
re: #119 Ojoe
The national divisiveness has been developing for a long time and IMHO it antedated the "teabaggers" and is much caused by the two party system.
In addition I did not think that Mr Obama could effectively govern the whole country after some of the derogatory slips he made about groups here in the USA during his campaign, and I think events are bearing this out. Remember that the tone is set by the guy at the top. It is on his watch that this is happening.
Given that the cult of opposition to the current President has been driven to apoplectic rage by absolutely everything he says or does, including playing basketball, watching his kids' soccer game, and the logos of government departments, I think it's pretty far-fetched to claim that the President is responsible for 'setting the tone'.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:34:17pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:34:19pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
They're not protesting spending. They can't name anything that they actually want us to cut spending on. They don't want social security or Medicare or the military cut.
Waste. They want to cut WASTE. How many times do they have to tell you?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:34:21pm |
re: #153 Dark_Falcon
Exactly. If you want to cut spending, you have to give a concrete example you plan to cut.
I'm sure they'd be willing to cut spending on the department of education, they never had any and look how well they turned out!
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:34:28pm |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
re: #122 cliffster
Problem is, they're not protesting government spending, they're protesting government spending by this administration, on stuff that may or may not actually get government money spent on it, which they can't completely articulate, and any future government spending which may occur.If a Republican is elected to the presidency in 2012 or 2016, this movement will end as though cut off with a knife. Finito. Even if the Republican spends us into new, special realms of debt not yet known to man, and is actually caught kneeling before a Saudi, this will be over.
I don't agree. Every conservative I know was sickened by the spending of the Bush administration, the bank bailout, etc. Many of these folks have had it with both parties.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:34:41pm |
re: #146 Walter L. Newton
But Einstein didn't make that argument, and Charles has made the argument, and demonstrated it very well, that birtherism is highly sourced in racism.
So that would be different.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:35:12pm |
That jackass who has decided to help the tea parties automatically repudiate any and all crazies is apparently in some trouble:
Oregon Teacher Panel Probes Educator Determined to 'Demolish' Tea Party
A middle school teacher in Oregon who announced his intention "to dismantle and demolish the Tea Party" on his "Crash the Tea Party" Web site is under investigation by his state's Teacher Standards & Practices Commission.
The investigation by Oregon's teacher licensing agency comes in response to a public outcry over Jason Levin's public statements that he'll do anything short of throwing rocks to bring down the Tea Party.
Levin, the media teacher at Conestoga Middle School in Beaverton, is the leader of a group that says it wants to infiltrate and bring down the loosely organized anti-big-government Tea Party movement.
He has said he would seek to embarrass Tea Partiers by attending their rallies dressed as Adolf Hitler, carrying signs bearing racist, sexist and anti-gay epithets, and acting as offensively as possible — anything short of throwing punches. (emphasis added)
And exactly how would this be more damaging than the real tea partiers doing it?
In a recent interview with Talking Points Memo, Levin said of his plans, “Our goal is that whenever a Tea Partier says 'Barack Obama was not born in America,' we're going be right there next to them saying, 'Yeah, in fact he wasn't born on Earth! He's an alien!'"
Probably won't even give us credit for this revelation. He's a socialist all right.
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recusancy Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:35:20pm |
re: #156 jamesfirecat
Hey hey hey, I'm a liberal, being needlessly PC is my job, and it's the only job I have which is why I pick up these unemployment checks, don't take that away from me!
I take people to task for calling Obama "boy". There's a racist tinge to it. So I'm just letting you know that saying "girl" will also come across as demeaning. Don't give people ammo to throw back at you.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:35:41pm |
Obviously, this isn't Charles Johnson:
Johnson expressed opposition to President Obama. "It's not just because he's black," he said. "I wish I could tell you that I loved this guy, that he was a great president, that I had faith in him. But I have none. Zero."
So it's not JUST because he's black...that's only part of the reason. What a fucktard. Charles, you should sue this fuck and make him change his last name.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:35:45pm |
re: #163 SteveB4
Then how come the Tea Parties have held fundraisers for GOP candidates?
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cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:35:45pm |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
Problem is, they're not protesting government spending, they're protesting government spending by this administration, on stuff that may or may not actually get government money spent on it, which they can't completely articulate, and any future government spending which may occur.
If a Republican is elected to the presidency in 2012 or 2016, this movement will end as though cut off with a knife. Finito. Even if the Republican spends us into new, special realms of debt not yet known to man, and is actually caught kneeling before a Saudi, this will be over.
Really? All of them?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:35:47pm |
re: #163 SteveB4
I don't agree. Every conservative I know was sickened by the spending of the Bush administration, the bank bailout, etc. Many of these folks have had it with both parties.
Yes I'm sure they were so sickened for Bush that they could only bring themselves to vote for him twice!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:07pm |
re: #162 jamesfirecat
I'm sure they'd be willing to cut spending on the department of education, they never had any and look how well they turned out!
Well, reducing the role of the DOE is actually a good idea. It provides very little value for what it costs.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:07pm |
re: #155 windsagio
haha, you are asking for it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:12pm |
re: #137 jamesfirecat
I do not think that Mr McCain could effectively govern the whole country after some of the derogatory slips his VP made about groups here in the USA during his campaign, and I think that had he been elected events would have born my prediction out. Remember that the tone is set by the guy (or girl) at the top.
Not to mention my concern about McCain's ability to effectively govern a country with women in it after his comment about the 'health' of the mother, with finger quotes.
(I actually like McCain. At that moment, I could have kicked him.)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:45pm |
re: #158 Vambo
well duh, but why does everyone insist Obama was born in Kenya & is not a citizen? His Republican opponent WAS born in Panama, and yet nobody asked for John McCain's birth certificate.
You can look the other way if you want, but it's really really obvious.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate.
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recusancy Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:46pm |
re: #170 jamesfirecat
Yes I'm sure they were so sickened for Bush that they could only bring themselves to vote for him twice!
Once.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:48pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:51pm |
re: #138 Obdicut
Oh for Pete's sake, did somebody declare 'asinine argument day' when I wasn't looking? If I'd have known, I'd have made the case for Shakespeare actually being Aphra Behn with a time machine.
Now that's an interesting theory. Did Francis Bacon design the time machine, or was it John Dee?
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:53pm |
re: #158 Vambo
well duh, but why does everyone insist Obama was born in Kenya & is not a citizen? His Republican opponent WAS born in Panama, and yet nobody asked for John McCain's birth certificate.
You can look the other way if you want, but it's really really obvious.
well yes they did ask about McCain, for about a day... and I never said he was born in Kenya. Next.
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:36:53pm |
re: #169 cliffster
Really? All of them?
The ones that were protesting during the Bush Administration would stay. All 80 of them or so.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:37:16pm |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
If a Republican is elected to the presidency in 2012 or 2016, this movement will end as though cut off with a knife.
I disagree. I think it will revert to it's original state, c. 2006/7, as the fringe libertarian movement it started out to be.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:37:43pm |
re: #166 recusancy
I take people to task for calling Obama "boy". There's a racist tinge to it. So I'm just letting you know that saying "girl" will also come across as demeaning. Don't give people ammo to throw back at you.
I'd argue that there's a world of difference between calling Obama a "boy" (cue racist southern sheriff undertones) and calling Sarah Palin a "girl" but that's an argument for another day.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:37:49pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:37:53pm |
re: #178 brookly red
well yes they did ask about McCain, for about a day... and I never said he was born in Kenya. Next.
re: #174 Walter L. Newton
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:37:56pm |
re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist
Now that's an interesting theory. Did Francis Bacon design the time machine, or was it John Dee?
Archimedes actually. But thats completely separate from the Shakespeare issue.
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cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:38:06pm |
When I was 5 years old, my mom always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down “happy.” They told me I didn’t understand the assignment and I told them they didn’t understand life.
— l'Eco di Bru
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:38:22pm |
re: #145 Obdicut
No, not really. Just hypocritical and ineffective. I don't see them actually doing anything that mean to anyone.
Agreed. They're hysterical, not mean.
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Macha Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:38:24pm |
re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
Waste. They want to cut WASTE. How many times do they have to tell you?
Except its not waste when the pork falls in their backyard. Then it is magically transformed into necessary expenditure and they howl about how stingy the govt. is to not give them more.
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recusancy Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:38:42pm |
re: #181 jamesfirecat
I'd argue that there's a world of difference between calling Obama a "boy" (cue racist southern sheriff undertones) and calling Sarah Palin a "girl" but that's an argument for another day.
I probably would have agreed with you a couple years ago, myself being male, but I was a heavy campaigner for Obama against Hillary and you learn not to give the other side ammo.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:38:46pm |
re: #165 Shiplord Kirel
That jackass who has decided to help the tea parties automatically repudiate any and all crazies is apparently in some trouble:
Oregon Teacher Panel Probes Educator Determined to 'Demolish' Tea Party
Probably won't even give us credit for this revelation. He's a socialist all right.
He should be in trouble. It's just fine to expose racists and nuts at a Tea Party, its OK to mock those who attend Tea Paries, but its not OK to go to one as a moby, whose only objective is to get others blamed for things they did not do or say.
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Gordon marock Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:39:14pm |
OK, let me see: racsim bad (I agree); kooky conspiracies bad (I agree); there are some really nutty tea partiers (I agree). But Obama is still a horrible President.
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:39:20pm |
re: #174 Walter L. Newton
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate.
Who's that assclown?
I've never heard of him.
But I have seen Orly Taintz on cable news shows about a dozen times, and she still draws crowds in the thousands (according to the Tea Party).
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:39:37pm |
re: #151 Macha
I just got back from one of the two grocery stores in town. The "baggers" were out in force, swarming around the entry. They were pushing a petition about somehthing or other. I didn't want to let any of them engage me, so didn't stop to see what they are proposing. Have any of the rest of you encountered TB's out there bleating their blather in this kind of small group format today?
I work in an indigo blue, mostly African-American and Latino city, so, no.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:39:43pm |
re: #189 Dark_Falcon
He should be in trouble. It's just fine to expose racists and nuts at a Tea Party, its OK to mock those who attend Tea Paries, but its not OK to go to one as a moby, whose only objective is to get others blamed for things they did not do or say.
Seriously. The current TP movement doesn't need any help going down in flames.
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:39:47pm |
re: #167 darthstar
Obviously, this isn't Charles Johnson:
So it's not JUST because he's black...that's only part of the reason. What a fucktard. Charles, you should sue this fuck and make him change his last name.
You know..Sometimes there is justice in this world..Not often but it happens.. I went back and Checked Larry Johnson's noquarter web site and could not find 1 single comment there for the last week..
That lying 'I've got a whitey tape' meme has come home to roost..
I'm feeling really good tonight Lizards
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:39:50pm |
re: #114 marjoriemoon
I think so. Protests get a kind of circus festival atmosphere, draws out the clowns.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:39:51pm |
re: #163 SteveB4
I don't agree. Every conservative I know was sickened by the spending of the Bush administration, the bank bailout, etc. Many of these folks have had it with both parties.
We cannot say how many conservatives you know. Apparently not enough to form a protest rally. However, the fact of the matter is that despite many years of deficit spending by the Bush Administration and indeed all administrations for the last 30 years, none of these Tea Parties occurred until the thought leaders of the Conservative cult decided to push them sometime after November 2008.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:40:29pm |
re: #175 recusancy
Once.
Yeah you can really see the way people were fleeing from Bush what with how he got 50,456,002 votes in 2000 and 62,040,610 votes in 2004.
(Not saying you didn't vote for him only once, but somebody (a lot of somebodies) were still voting for him a second time....)
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bratwurst Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:40:35pm |
re: #163 SteveB4
I don't agree. Every conservative I know was sickened by the spending of the Bush administration, the bank bailout, etc.
Sure never heard much about it from the high school educated "economists" on the radio who now speak of little else.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:40:42pm |
re: #189 Dark_Falcon
He should be in trouble. It's just fine to expose racists and nuts at a Tea Party, its OK to mock those who attend Tea Paries, but its not OK to go to one as a moby, whose only objective is to get others blamed for things they did not do or say.
/especially if you are supposed to be working at the time. sheesh
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:40:45pm |
re: #157 Obdicut
When Clinton was elected, there was also a "silver bullet seeking" meme about him not having the popular vote.
In the current case, I do believe that racism plays a part. But I think the larger part is played by a bunch of brats who can't believe the other team won.
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recusancy Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:41:25pm |
re: #197 jamesfirecat
Yeah you can really see the way people were fleeing from Bush what with how he got 50,456,002 votes in 2000 and 62,040,610 votes in 2004.
(Not saying you didn't vote for him only once, but somebody (a lot of somebodies) were still voting for him a second time...)
I voted for him only zero times but my point was that a majority only voted for him once.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:41:25pm |
re: #191 Vambo
Who's that assclown?
I've never heard of him.
But I have seen Orly Taintz on cable news shows about a dozen times, and she still draws crowds in the thousands (according to the Tea Party).
I don't give two shits who he is or isn't. You said "...and yet nobody asked for John McCain's birth certificate." You're wrong. And if you read the article, it was even an issue in the senate "The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States."
So to imply it was never an issue or nobody ever asked is plainly wrong. You are concerned with accuracy, right?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:41:59pm |
re: #159 Renaissance_Man
Given that the cult of opposition to the current President has been driven to apoplectic rage by absolutely everything he says or does, including playing basketball, watching his kids' soccer game, and the logos of government departments, I think it's pretty far-fetched to claim that the President is responsible for 'setting the tone'.
He told some people in Charlotte Swig's living room that some people were bitter and clinging to guns and religion, and anything that comes after that must be attributed solely to people being POed about that.
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cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:42:06pm |
An infinite number of mathematicians walk into a bar. The first one orders a beer. The second orders half a beer. The third, a quarter of a beer. The bartender says "You're all idiots", and pours two beers.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:42:13pm |
re: #190 Gordon marock
OK, let me see: racsim bad (I agree); kooky conspiracies bad (I agree); there are some really nutty tea partiers (I agree). But Obama is still a horrible President.
Good for you, you're in line with most of the conservative posters on LGF anything else to add to the discussion?
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Gordon marock Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:43:05pm |
re: #205 jamesfirecat
Good for you, you're in line with most of the conservative posters on LGF anything else to add to the discussion?
YES. I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:43:07pm |
re: #196 Renaissance_Man
re: #163 SteveB4
We cannot say how many conservatives you know. Apparently not enough to form a protest rally. However, the fact of the matter is that despite many years of deficit spending by the Bush Administration and indeed all administrations for the last 30 years, none of these Tea Parties occurred until the thought leaders of the Conservative cult decided to push them sometime after November 2008.
Would you not agree that spending has increased dramatically? The more the gov spends, the angrier people will be....particularly if it means raising taxes and/or cutting benefits.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:43:10pm |
re: #189 Dark_Falcon
He should be in trouble. It's just fine to expose racists and nuts at a Tea Party, its OK to mock those who attend Tea Paries, but its not OK to go to one as a moby, whose only objective is to get others blamed for things they did not do or say.
Agreed. It was a stupid idea.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:43:39pm |
re: #151 Macha
I just got back from one of the two grocery stores in town. The "baggers" were out in force, swarming around the entry. They were pushing a petition about somehthing or other. I didn't want to let any of them engage me, so didn't stop to see what they are proposing. Have any of the rest of you encountered TB's out there bleating their blather in this kind of small group format today?
I thought the baggers were supposed to be inside the grocery stores, working!
Seriously, though, the most common place for protest from all sides on April 15th in this town is the Post Office.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:43:55pm |
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:44:17pm |
re: #204 cliffster
An infinite number of mathematicians walk into a bar. The first one orders a beer. The second orders half a beer. The third, a quarter of a beer. The bartender says "You're all idiots", and pours two beers.
I like that one...borrowing.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:44:31pm |
re: #204 cliffster
And then takes a tiny, tiny, tiny, infinitesimal drop off of the second beer.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:44:43pm |
re: #163 SteveB4
I don't agree. Every conservative I know was sickened by the spending of the Bush administration, the bank bailout, etc. Many of these folks have had it with both parties.
They may have been sickened by Bush's spending, but they didn't protest it wearing tea bags on their heads. Something else was the catalyst, and I'm pretty damn sure that was Obama's victory.
If McCain were in the White House, and the fiscal situation were identical, these protests wouldn't be taking place.
(Different ones with a different cast would be.)
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:45:22pm |
re: #202 Walter L. Newton
I don't give two shits who he is or isn't. You said "...and yet nobody asked for John McCain's birth certificate." You're wrong. And if you read the article, it was even an issue in the senate "The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States."
So to imply it was never an issue or nobody ever asked is plainly wrong. You are concerned with accuracy, right?
Obviously not as concerned as you - which is not surprising, as you are nothing but a Concern Troll.
It was an issue for about one day. But please continue, the comparison is like sooo dead-on.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:45:41pm |
re: #207 SteveB4
Would you not agree that spending has increased dramatically? The more the gov spends, the angrier people will be...particularly if it means raising taxes and/or cutting benefits.
Yeah spending did increase dramatically what with how Obama decided to start showing people how much the war's Bush started and refused to raise money to pay for were actually costing us....
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:46:12pm |
re: #169 cliffster
Really? All of them?
You think the Tea Party people will continue under a Republican administration?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:46:23pm |
re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist
They may have been sickened by Bush's spending, but they didn't protest it wearing tea bags on their heads. Something else was the catalyst, and I'm pretty damn sure that was Obama's victory.
If McCain were in the White House, and the fiscal situation were identical, these protests wouldn't be taking place.
(Different ones with a different cast would be.)
I agree with you 100 percent. I'm glad something was the catalyst. It's about time.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:46:54pm |
re: #214 Vambo
Obviously not as concerned as you - which is not surprising, as you are nothing but a Concern Troll.
It was an issue for about one day. But please continue, the comparison is like sooo dead-on.
Stop being wrong, and I'll stop being concern. Caught and you can't stand it.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:47:05pm |
re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist
I think a small nucleus would, about Code Pink-sized, and about as relevant.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:47:23pm |
re: #208 darthstar
Agreed. It was a stupid idea.
And the fact that he's a teacher makes it worse:
"Study hard, kids, and never help someone cheat. But I make other people look bad by going to events and displaying extremist messages."
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:47:46pm |
re: #180 Slumbering Behemoth
I disagree. I think it will revert to it's original state, c. 2006/7, as the fringe libertarian movement it started out to be.
OK, fair enough.
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:47:59pm |
re: #218 Walter L. Newton
Stop being wrong, and I'll stop being concern. Caught and you can't stand it.
YES YOU TOTALLY CALLED ME OUT /fuck off now.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:48:16pm |
re: #212 Obdicut
And then takes a tiny, tiny, tiny, infinitesimal drop off of the second beer.
As long as the first mathematician tipped a penny, and the second doubled the tip, and the third doubled the tip of the second, etc....It'd be a good day for the bartender...by the twentieth mathematician, he'd have a pretty full tip jar.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:48:58pm |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:49:10pm |
They really are living in the past:
Missouri Congressman Mistakenly Refers To 'Soviet Union' In Anti-Obama Space Policy Press Release
"The decision by the Obama administration to gut NASA's manned flight program does more than jeopardize the long term goals of solar system exploration, the cancellation of the space shuttles replacement will effectively leave the United States reliant upon the Soviet Union to grant us access to low earth orbit. As a member of the Armed Services Committee I am very concerned with that possibility, and as an American I am disappointed by the prospect.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:49:14pm |
So McCarthy finally found a real live communist 43 years after he died and is now vindicated?
Of course that is only if you don't understand the basic differences between communism and socialism and they both seem to be the same thing to you. It also discounts McCarthy's completely ridiculous and self-serving quest to find "hidden communists" within Hollywood and business concerns (Many of whom at the beginning were active card carrying members of the legitimate and entirely legal Communist Party of America.)
So we are going to celebrate another person who completely ignored and trampled upon the Constitution of the United States while claiming that we hate the current government because they "might" trample on it?
Frankly I am getting a bit of this historical revisionism, taxes were higher then, government had more power and used it much more boldly. Personal rights were something that maybe you had if you were a member of the correct race and the correct socio-economic stratus otherwise they could and would persecute you at will.
These idiots look back and see what they want, "Leave it to Beaver" as a documentary I guess. 15 minutes of historical research would cure them of that, but they won't do it because they honestly don't want to know. They want to believe in a age of "Golden Promise" that we once had and have somehow lost.
Progress is a very, very, bad thing Mmmkay?
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:49:33pm |
re: #193 Varek Raith
Seriously. The current TP movement doesn't need any help going down in flames.
This is terrible, but they're kind of growing on me. I mean, they're politically incoherent, but they're sort of fun.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:49:33pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
And the fact that he's a teacher makes it worse:
"Study hard, kids, and never help someone cheat. But I make other people look bad by going to events and displaying extremist messages."
/
well I think we have identified where we could make a small but meaningful budget cut...
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:49:49pm |
re: #215 jamesfirecat
re: #207 SteveB4
Yeah spending did increase dramatically what with how Obama decided to start showing people how much the war's Bush started and refused to raise money to pay for were actually costing us...
Obama continues in both Iraq and Afghanistan and has dramatically increased spending aside from that.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:49:57pm |
re: #224 darthstar
Well, there's infinite mathematicians, so whatever each one tips him he'll have the same amount, from one perspective.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:50:00pm |
re: #227 freetoken
They really are living in the past:
Missouri Congressman Mistakenly Refers To 'Soviet Union' In Anti-Obama Space Policy Press Release
That's not a mistake. That's how stuck in the past they are.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:50:10pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
"Go out there and fight for what you disbelieve in!"
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webevintage Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:50:25pm |
re: #88 simoom
More birthers:
Public Schools harm children. Let my children go.
WTH?
No one is forced to send their kids to public school....
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:51:51pm |
re: #233 darthstar
re: #227 freetoken
They really are living in the past:Missouri Congressman Mistakenly Refers To 'Soviet Union' In Anti-Obama Space Policy Press Release
That's not a mistake. That's how stuck in the past they are.
At least he didn't say it was going to capsize.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:52:03pm |
re: #231 SteveB4
Assert it a few more times and maybe it'll become true. The only 'dramatic' increase in spending under Obama has come in the stimulus stuff.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:52:24pm |
re: #207 SteveB4
Would you not agree that spending has increased dramatically? The more the gov spends, the angrier people will be...particularly if it means raising taxes and/or cutting benefits.
Oh, nonsense. Bush spent a projected surplus, then kept spending, but everyone was just barely keeping themselves in check until Obama happened?
This has nothing to do with real economics, and everything to do with hysterics about a lost election.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:52:51pm |
re: #234 Rightwingconspirator
"Go out there and fight for what you disbelieve in!"
"Someday son, none of this will be yours." - Anarchist Father to his son.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:53:10pm |
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:53:25pm |
re: #232 Obdicut
Well, there's infinite mathematicians, so whatever each one tips him he'll have the same amount, from one perspective.
1*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2... $1.28 by the seventh tip, $2.56, $5.32, $10.64, $21.28 by the eleventh (plus the previous tips)...
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:53:33pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, nonsense. Bush spent a projected surplus, then kept spending, but everyone was just barely keeping themselves in check until Obama happened?
This has nothing to do with real economics, and everything to do with hysterics about a lost election.
BRAVO!
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:54:34pm |
re: #237 Obdicut
Assert it a few more times and maybe it'll become true. The only 'dramatic' increase in spending under Obama has come in the stimulus stuff.
/and that was a mere pittance
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cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:54:47pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, nonsense. Bush spent a projected surplus, then kept spending, but everyone was just barely keeping themselves in check until Obama happened?
This has nothing to do with real economics, and everything to do with hysterics about a lost election.
Actually, it has to do with real economics. What's amazing to me is that so many people completely miss what a an economic disaster we are in.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:55:16pm |
re: #240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Someday son, none of this will be yours." - Anarchist Father to his son.
That's a good one.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:55:20pm |
re: #242 darthstar
1*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2... $1.28 by the seventh tip, $2.56, $5.32, $10.64, $21.28 by the eleventh (plus the previous tips)...
the IRS is hiring I hear...
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:55:31pm |
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:55:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:56:07pm |
re: #244 brookly red
/and that was a mere pittance
No, it was huge. It's a big ass bill we can't really pay. Change!
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:57:09pm |
This is interesting:
Tea Party Protesters Criticize Obama's Space Plan
This is just one more piece of evidence that "Tea Party" = "Hate Obama Party" and isn't really a tax-centric movement. That too has come out in various polls.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:57:11pm |
And for no real reason, a live perfomance of Peter Schilling's "Major Tom" in German
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:57:13pm |
re: #241 SteveB4
Yes, that's a nice fiery bit of meaningless rhetoric. Well-done.
What spending do you personally want to see cut?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:57:14pm |
re: #245 cliffster
We're not living in paradise, but I have yet to see half-mile lines leading towards soup-kitchens either.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:57:28pm |
re: #245 cliffster
Actually, it has to do with real economics. What's amazing to me is that so many people completely miss what a an economic disaster we are in.
skippy. but every month another 600,000 figure it out.
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:58:36pm |
re: #223 Vambo
YES YOU TOTALLY CALLED ME OUT /fuck off now.
Well Vambo.. You are pretty new here and that makes you a favorite target of grumpy Walter...Don't feel alone but he seems to pick on rookies.. I love him but jeez..Good luck rookies...
Walter..You owe me a upding.. A couple of weeks ago you downdinged me for poking you in the ribs..I hurt your feelings..I have updinged you about 50 times since and no response from you..Nor engagement..
Walter you have absolutely trash lizards here for the last year with no problem..I jabbed you in the ribs old man...
Walter..You are so smart and charming...I like that part of you..
I'm sorry your feelings are hurt...I'm sorry Now upding this post bitch.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:58:36pm |
re: #248 Obdicut
My favorite game is 'guts' for exactly that reason.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
When I was a kid, we played a game called "Loo" at the roping arena where I ran the chutes for team ropers. 25 cent ante. Three cards. Then a trump card was thrown down and you either said 'in' or 'out' (losing a quarter). If you didn't win at least one of the three 'tricks', you had to match the pot. You needed two tricks to win the pot. With five or six players, pots got big, and fast.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:59:19pm |
re: #237 Obdicut
A question as relates to the stimulus-Why the heck did this administration and this legislature take longer to get to financial reform than medical? A competent legislature could have easily done financial reform first, or overlapping anyway.
As I recall we still have no uptick rule, subprime lending was criminally massively abused (see WaMu) nobody but Madoff went to jail...
Was it just not a priority?
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:59:48pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:00:01pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:01:15pm |
re: #258 darthstar
Yep, that's a guts variation.
What's great about it in some variations-- like the one that, in order for the hand to progress, needs one person to declare that he can 'go', meaning win the hand, and another to 'challenge' the hand, with only those two needing to throw down money based on who wins or loses-- is that if you play with competitive macho guys, you can just throw down your original dollar and never have to put down another dollar. Just wait until you get a really safe hand, and clean up.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:01:16pm |
re: #259 Rightwingconspirator
A question as relates to the stimulus-Why the heck did this administration and this legislature take longer to get to financial reform than medical? A competent legislature could have easily done financial reform first, or overlapping anyway.
As I recall we still have no uptick rule, subprime lending was criminally massively abused (see WaMu) nobody but Madoff went to jail...
Was it just not a priority?
Obama wanted to make health care the centerpiece of his first term. Then it became problematic and took far longer to pass than planned.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:01:31pm |
re: #260 SteveB4
well I'd love to see the healthcare bill scrapped, for starters.
yup,
It seems that Pataki is going to be making a career out of that extremely popular notion.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:01:42pm |
re: #207 SteveB4
Would you not agree that spending has increased dramatically? The more the gov spends, the angrier people will be...particularly if it means raising taxes and/or cutting benefits.
And that's a problem? After almost 6 years of trying to find full time employment in my career as a programmer, at the age of 57, I've started a new career with a large supermarket chain. But it's only a part time job, no benefits for a year, and I am certainly looking forward to people with money to help pay for my health care in the near future.
I use to make 120,000 a year, and had no problem paying taxes and giving about 10,000 of that a year to charity (and not claiming it).
Now I'm in trouble and there doesn't appear to be any "silver lining" on the horizon.
I'm hoping that spending increases as much as necessary to take care of people like me.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:01:45pm |
re: #260 SteveB4
What is the cost of not having the health care bill in place, Steve?
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:02:01pm |
re: #254 Slumbering Behemoth
We're not living in paradise, but I have yet to see half-mile lines leading towards soup-kitchens either.
I work at a food bank. more people are coming for food assistance, maybe up 35% from last year, and at the same time donations are down.
Something is seriously not right.
BBL
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:02:12pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:02:16pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:02:20pm |
re: #257 HoosierHoops
[snip]
...I'm sorry Now upding this post bitch.
Ok... ok... I did.. you whore :)
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:02:41pm |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:02:50pm |
Shhhh.... let's just keep this between us girls:
And the heat goes on: warmest March on record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the heat goes on.Last month was the warmest March on record worldwide, based on records back to 1880, scientists reported Thursday.
The average temperature for the month was 56.3 degrees Fahrenheit (13.5 degrees Celsius), the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported.
That was 1.39 degrees F (0.77 C) above the average for the month over the 20th century.
Whatever you do, don't tell the Tea Partiers...
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:03:25pm |
re: #245 cliffster
That would be the fully employed majority. All you have to do to beat a depression or recession is keep your good job. Even at worst that is the vast majority of people. I think that has a lot to do with it.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:03:34pm |
re: #266 Obdicut
Have you ever received an answer? I don't recall one.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:04:05pm |
re: #12 Stanley Sea
The McCarthy one says it all for me.
These people are absolutely insane if they want to bring that shit back.
Just got here and saw that.
Jaw dropped to the floor.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:04:16pm |
re: #260 SteveB4
well I'd love to see the healthcare bill scrapped, for starters.
Good call, except that the healthcare bill reduces the deficit, so scrapping it to reduce spending is like cutting off your leg to stop your arm from bleeding.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:04:56pm |
re: #251 freetoken
Next thing you know the "Obama is a War Criminal" contingents like Code Pink will join these rally's. Code Pink and Camo jockeys. Heh.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:05:10pm |
re: #272 freetoken
Shhh... let's just keep this between us girls:
And the heat goes on: warmest March on record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the heat goes on.
Last month was the warmest March on record worldwide, based on records back to 1880, scientists reported Thursday.
The average temperature for the month was 56.3 degrees Fahrenheit (13.5 degrees Celsius), the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported.
That was 1.39 degrees F (0.77 C) above the average for the month over the 20th century.
Whatever you do, don't tell the Tea Partiers...
Wingnut rationalizations coming in 5..4..3..2.1..
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:05:24pm |
re: #274 Stanley Sea
No, I haven't. I mean, the answer is pretty simple, since the CBO scored the bill; the cost of not having the health bill is the inverse of the savings the CBO scored for the bill, with all of the same assumptions in place.
The only way that isn't true is if you could prove in some manner that HCR will retard the economy or otherwise result in lower tax inflow and that not passing it would not have that effect, but nobody has come close to doing anything like that.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:05:27pm |
re: #259 Rightwingconspirator
Was it just not a priority?
Peggy Noonan humorously puts words into Charles Prince's mouth near the top of her current column in the WSJ. It pretty well sums up the culture, and indirectly answers your question.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:05:35pm |
re: #256 Alouette
Cute factor is a ten!
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:05:43pm |
re: #266 Obdicut
re: #260 SteveB4
What is the cost of not having the health care bill in place, Steve?
I'd go back and formulate a bill focused on reducing costs, rather than on mandatory insurance purchasing, etc. Allow competition between states, tort reform, etc.
To Jamesfirecat:
I don't believe for a second that this bill will reduce the deficit. Call me a cynic.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:06:00pm |
We got this new kitten in the house... 7 weeks old or so, one of the step-critters brought it home (wish she would just start bringing boy friends home or something like that).
This thing has more energy than I've ever seen. It's trying to climb everything, including me. And all it wants to do is find something to "bat" at, anything that moves. Hell, if I stay totally still, it will try to bite my noise hairs that are waving back and forth.
Get off my lap... get off my shoulder, get off the back of my office chair before you fall down... this little fucking would try climbing air if there wasn't anything else.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:06:33pm |
re: #253 Obdicut
Yes, that's a nice fiery bit of meaningless rhetoric. Well-done.
What spending do you personally want to see cut?
Personally, I would like to see the government moving away from being a service industry with government employees filling positions at all levels. Instead, I think we would be better off with the government serving in a purely regulatory fashion. This comes from my time in both the military and private sector dealing with career government employees.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:06:49pm |
re: #245 cliffster
Actually, it has to do with real economics. What's amazing to me is that so many people completely miss what a an economic disaster we are in.
We're in an economic disaster. What I may disagree with you about is whether the people bounding around with signs about how upset they are with Washington are actually mad about that.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:07:14pm |
re: #282 SteveB4
I'd go back and formulate a bill focused on reducing costs, rather than on mandatory insurance purchasing, etc. Allow competition between states, tort reform, etc.
I'm sorry, that is not an answer to my question, Steve.
What would be the cost of not passing the HCR bill?
Can you name anything other than a just-passed bill you'd' like to cut? Obviously our current financial system wasn't caused by the HCR bill, so you should be able to name something else that you want cut.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:07:23pm |
re: #284 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
re: #253 Obdicut
Personally, I would like to see the government moving away from being a service industry with government employees filling positions at all levels. Instead, I think we would be better off with the government serving in a purely regulatory fashion. This comes from my time in both the military and private sector dealing with career government employees.
I could be onboard with this.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:07:56pm |
re: #265 Walter L. Newton
And that's a problem? After almost 6 years of trying to find full time employment in my career as a programmer, at the age of 57, I've started a new career with a large supermarket chain. But it's only a part time job, no benefits for a year, and I am certainly looking forward to people with money to help pay for my health care in the near future.
I use to make 120,000 a year, and had no problem paying taxes and giving about 10,000 of that a year to charity (and not claiming it).
Now I'm in trouble and there doesn't appear to be any "silver lining" on the horizon.
I'm hoping that spending increases as much as necessary to take care of people like me.
Me too, Walter
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:07:58pm |
re: #282 SteveB4
I'd go back and formulate a bill focused on reducing costs, rather than on mandatory insurance purchasing, etc. Allow competition between states, tort reform, etc.
To Jamesfirecat:
I don't believe for a second that this bill will reduce the deficit. Call me a cynic.
You're entitled to your own opinion but it'd be nice if you had some facts to back it up beyond "I don't believe that the government is telling the truth" cause that's all the people who claim Obama wasn't born in the US have....
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:08:24pm |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
We're in an economic disaster. What I may disagree with you about is whether the people bounding around with signs about how upset they are with Washington are actually mad about that.
I think at least a few are...
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:08:54pm |
re: #226 Walter L. Newton
LOL... wow...
You're just bitter because you re: #265 Walter L. Newton
And that's a problem? After almost 6 years of trying to find full time employment in my career as a programmer, at the age of 57, I've started a new career with a large supermarket chain. But it's only a part time job, no benefits for a year, and I am certainly looking forward to people with money to help pay for my health care in the near future.
I use to make 120,000 a year, and had no problem paying taxes and giving about 10,000 of that a year to charity (and not claiming it).
Now I'm in trouble and there doesn't appear to be any "silver lining" on the horizon.
I'm hoping that spending increases as much as necessary to take care of people like me.
upding for you, you grump, and fellow supermarket slave.
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zora Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:09:02pm |
re: #277 Rightwingconspirator
i'd love to see that. on pay per view, even.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:09:09pm |
I made one of these the other day. It turned out pretty well, actually.
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andres Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:09:28pm |
re: #88 simoom
Why the animosity against public schools? I know the system is pretty f****d up, but it's still somewhat decent in most areas (not including Texas).
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:10:10pm |
re: #284 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I understand where you're coming from, but I think that the behavior of the health care insurance sector has shown us that no matter how steeply regulated a field is, if the market for it is a broken, distorted market-- which there are a lot of, unfortunately-- then regulation can never actually create good behavior in that market at a lower price than simply having government do it. Capitalism is like an evolutionary force; it causes companies operating under a regulatory environment to grow right up to the borders of it, taking advantage of any loopholes and exploiting any rent-seeking opportunities it can.
I think the important part is identifying which markets are naturally broken and do not admit to a private solution.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:10:26pm |
re: #283 Walter L. Newton
We got this new kitten in the house... 7 weeks old or so, one of the step-critters brought it home (wish she would just start bringing boy friends home or something like that).
This thing has more energy than I've ever seen. It's trying to climb everything, including me. And all it wants to do is find something to "bat" at, anything that moves. Hell, if I stay totally still, it will try to bite my noise hairs that are waving back and forth.
Get off my lap... get off my shoulder, get off the back of my office chair before you fall down... this little fucking would try climbing air if there wasn't anything else.
It'll settle down in time. For now just enjoy the energy of youth.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:10:28pm |
re: #277 Rightwingconspirator
Next thing you know the "Obama is a War Criminal" contingents like Code Pink will join these rally's. Code Pink and Camo jockeys. Heh.
Code Pink has been discussing hooking up with the Tea Parties, actually.
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Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:10:32pm |
re: #292 Vambo
upding for you, you grump, and fellow supermarket slave.
hahahaha disregard the first part of that, it was just going to be mean and I'm not going to be like that.
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:11:01pm |
re: #272 freetoken
Whatever you do, don't tell the Tea Partiers...
Wait, wait, wait. I was under the impression that the fact that it snowed and was cold over the winter disproved global warming.
This is confusing.
//
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:11:45pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
It'll settle down in time. For now just enjoy the energy of youth.
Just don't wear shorts while walking down a hallway. I lost part of a leg that way with a devil kitteh. (exaggerating a little)
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:11:53pm |
re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist
Code Pink has been discussing hooking up with the Tea Parties, actually.
/but these are not the end of days...
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:11:59pm |
re: #280 pre-Boomer Marine brat
It sure does. Everyone here should read that. It shows why post wing matters.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:12:02pm |
re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist
Code Pink has been discussing hooking up with the Tea Parties, actually.
You made me throw up in my mouth.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:12:25pm |
re: #300 Soap_Man
Wait, wait, wait. I was under the impression that the fact that it snowed and was cold over the winter disproved global warming.
This is confusing.
//
To Paraphrase the Daily Show
Jon it's all dark where I am, I think humanity may seriously need to brace itself for the possibility of continuing onwards with society without ever seeing the sun again!
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:12:31pm |
re: #287 Obdicut
re: #282 SteveB4
I'm sorry, that is not an answer to my question, Steve.What would be the cost of not passing the HCR bill?
Can you name anything other than a just-passed bill you'd' like to cut? Obviously our current financial system wasn't caused by the HCR bill, so you should be able to name something else that you want cut.
The healthcare bill doesn't count? Okay then, I didn't support the bailout(s) either.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:13:37pm |
re: #291 brookly red
I think at least a few are...
OK. Probably a few.
For the overwhelming most part, I think this movement is about nothing but partisan hysterics and self-dramatization.
I am seeing nothing so far to change my mind.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:13:41pm |
re: #282 SteveB4
One of the ironies is that requiring people to have insurance means that the cost will/should go down because everyone is paying into the system. To me it's why I was for single-payer, everyone buys in it keeps the cost down and provides the money necessary to play claims.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:13:50pm |
re: #292 Vambo
upding for you, you grump, and fellow supermarket slave.
You miss the fucking sarcasm's in my post, didn't you. And evidently you don't know shit about me. How long have you been around LGF. You need to sit back and pay attention to my style, because it's all sarcasm and nasty.
I'm fucking taking care of myself, always have and always will. I'll work 4 jobs a day if I need to. I'm a career computer programmer, 30 years, but right now, I work as a cashier, have a few private clients I do programming work for, I sell meteorites on Ebay, I sell handmade jewelry, I work opal and turquoise, I will stand on a street corner waving a sign for tacos if needed.
I'm nothing like you, I can guarantee that. And take back the up ding. And I'm NO ONES slave. I am VER HAPPY with what I am doing... think of Andy Rooney with a smile on his face.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:13:52pm |
So my fiancee is out of town, so I'm going to go have a drink with a friend at a bar tonight. I'm planning on heading to one of those bars with a billion beers, so does anyone have any esoteric beers that are actually good to recommend?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:14:14pm |
re: #276 jamesfirecat
Good call, except that the healthcare bill reduces the deficit, so scrapping it to reduce spending is like cutting off your leg to stop your arm from bleeding.
er - We may know what's anticipated to happen, but we won't really know anything for certain until later.
re: #282 SteveB4
I'd go back and formulate a bill focused on reducing costs, rather than on mandatory insurance purchasing, etc. Allow competition between states, tort reform, etc.
This is silly. I assume you're talking about reducing health care costs. The only way a congressional bill can do that is to mandate reduced research and quality of medical care.
Mandatory Insurance Purchasing - if there are people out there dying because they are idiotic enough to refuse to purchase whatever it is they can afford to buy in insurance for themselves and their families, the rest of us pay in the form of higher costs to the rest of us when providers overcharge to cover their no-pays.
For those who truly cannot afford insurance and cannot get medical care, I'm happy to chip in what I can.
Now a real question, because i don't know -
competition between states - is that federally prohibited, or prohibited by the states themselves?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:14:23pm |
re: #295 andres
Why the animosity against public schools? I know the system is pretty f***d up, but it's still somewhat decent in most areas (not including Texas).
Not to mention the fact that you're actually allowed to withdraw the child. In most states you can even homeschool.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:14:33pm |
re: #290 jamesfirecat
re: #282 SteveB4
You're entitled to your own opinion but it'd be nice if you had some facts to back it up beyond "I don't believe that the government is telling the truth" cause that's all the people who claim Obama wasn't born in the US have...
Can you explain to me how increasing the number of insureds by 30 million + will reduce the deficit?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:14:46pm |
re: #303 Rightwingconspirator
It sure does. Everyone here should read that. It shows why post wing matters.
It's sort of like a Russian sleigh ride. They take care of each other, but occasionally throw someone to the wolves to maintain appearances.
heh
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:14:55pm |
re: #301 Stanley Sea
Just don't wear shorts while walking down a hallway. I lost part of a leg that way with a devil kitteh. (exaggerating a little)
I wake up to see this little devil down at my feet, just waiting to zoom up and bite my nose.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:14:57pm |
re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist
I have got Twilight Zone theme tinnitus I think. My most cynical jokes are becoming real. I'm in big trouble now... :)
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:15:01pm |
re: #307 SteveB4
I'm sorry, Steve, can you name something that predates the financial crisis? When we're talking about cutting spending in general, pointing at spending that is done during a recession to stimulate the economy really doesn't give me an idea of what you'd like to see cut from normal government operation.
Can you name something that you would have liked to see cut in 2006?
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:15:57pm |
re: #312 Obdicut
So my fiancee is out of town, so I'm going to go have a drink with a friend at a bar tonight. I'm planning on heading to one of those bars with a billion beers, so does anyone have any esoteric beers that are actually good to recommend?
Old Speckled Hen (an ale actually)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:15:59pm |
re: #307 SteveB4
The healthcare bill doesn't count? Okay then, I didn't support the bailout(s) either.
So you were OK with the economy until Obama started ruining it?
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:16:00pm |
re: #313 reine.de.tout
The states themselves reserve the right to regulate health insurance being delivered in their states-- the irony is a lot of the 'states rights' people are rather adamantly in favor of removing that state's right.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:16:09pm |
re: #312 Obdicut
So my fiancee is out of town, so I'm going to go have a drink with a friend at a bar tonight. I'm planning on heading to one of those bars with a billion beers, so does anyone have any esoteric beers that are actually good to recommend?
Mickey's Malt... it was my favorite when I was slamming down a 12 pack and some Southern every night.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:16:21pm |
re: #320 brookly red
I've had it-- it's swell. Good recommendation, haven't had it in a long time.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:16:43pm |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
Tom Waits showed me that one years ago, but thanks.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:16:53pm |
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:17:04pm |
re: #296 Obdicut
I would disagree on the need to privatize. I think a lot of the problems with the current healthcare system (and many other areas as well) can be traced to shoddy, inconsistent and murky regulation, as well as improper oversight. I do see a need to fix the problems, but I dont think adding an additional layer of government to any problem is a reliable fix.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:17:41pm |
re: #322 Obdicut
The states themselves reserve the right to regulate health insurance being delivered in their states-- the irony is a lot of the 'states rights' people are rather adamantly in favor of removing that state's right.
That's exactly what I thought.
So the fed gov't has limited ability to "allow" competition among states - to do it, it must MANDATE competition among states. If we don't like the feds mandating stuff, then it's the STATE governments we need to blame for that one.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:17:49pm |
re: #315 SteveB4
Can you explain to me how increasing the number of insureds by 30 million + will reduce the deficit?
well it actually could IF you reduce the amount care to everyone... the devil is in the detail.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:17:51pm |
re: #207 SteveB4
Would you not agree that spending has increased dramatically? The more the gov spends, the angrier people will be...particularly if it means raising taxes and/or cutting benefits.
I agree that spending has been increasing dramatically for the past 30 years. Where I suspect we differ is that I think it's evident that these Tea Party protests are not really related to government spending.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:17:53pm |
re: #325 Obdicut
Tom Waits showed me that one years ago, but thanks.
Really... he drinks Mickey's? I really don't know much about him, don't like his music... well, I like his music, I can't understand what the hell he is saying... did he take singing lessons from Dylon? I don't like Dylon either... or Streisand.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:18:39pm |
re: #324 Obdicut
I've had it-- it's swell. Good recommendation, haven't had it in a long time.
urrrrp!
yous welcome.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:18:49pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:18:55pm |
re: #327 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm talking about health insurance, not health care; apologies for confusion.
The point I'm making is that heavy enough regulation to actually make health insurance companies-- who have an economic incentive to deny coverage, eject people from their rolls, and be inefficient-- behave in a manner that provides health insurance to people who actually have health problems is so onerous that it would actually be less layers of bureaucracy to simply have the program be government-run.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:18:56pm |
re: #329 brookly red
well it actually could IF you reduce the amount care to everyone... the devil is in the detail.
Hey... some care is better than no care if you are one of those 30 million.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:18:57pm |
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:19:01pm |
re: #312 Obdicut
So my fiancee is out of town, so I'm going to go have a drink with a friend at a bar tonight. I'm planning on heading to one of those bars with a billion beers, so does anyone have any esoteric beers that are actually good to recommend?
Orion (pronounced Oh-ree-on), beer of choice for getting shitfaced in an Okinawan bar.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:19:19pm |
re: #319 Obdicut
Its worth remembering that we had a massive deficit from 2001-2002 until the current crisis (and beyond that of course, but still)
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:20:04pm |
re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist
heh, was about to ask who that was >>
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:20:08pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:20:11pm |
re: #331 Walter L. Newton
That's nice, Walter. Tom Waits is one of the greatest musical geniuses of our age.
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zora Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:20:18pm |
re: #295 andres
they may be opposed to schooling in general. i've heard right wing rants about colleges that are similar to their issues with public schools. some fear indoctrination. others fear that their children will grow up to be different from them. elitist, uppity, arugula eating etc.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:20:45pm |
re: #330 Renaissance_Man
I agree that spending has been increasing dramatically for the past 30 years. Where I suspect we differ is that I think it's evident that these Tea Party protests are not really related to government spending.
it's the republican base let loose. Social cons, theocrats, shrink govt grover norquist types, mcarthyites............. the lid is off the pressure cooker that kept these people quiet so long.
they had just enough red meat from the congressional leaders and president bush, but since they no longer hear anything they like from the corridors of power they are now as mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:21:07pm |
re: #312 Obdicut
Why sure, but how exotic do your tastes run?
Belgian Lambic is way out there, made with cherries.
Dogfish Head excellent "60 minute Hopped" IPA for hoppy and high alcohol.
Lighter?
Sierra Nevada Glissade, their spring issue pilsner with body.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:21:14pm |
re: #330 Renaissance_Man
re: #207 SteveB4
I agree that spending has been increasing dramatically for the past 30 years. Where I suspect we differ is that I think it's evident that these Tea Party protests are not really related to government spending.
I readily admit that in any large group, there will be crazies. Perhaps I tend to focus on their legitimate concerns because of my own personal bias, while others focus on the crazies because of their biases.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:21:19pm |
re: #343 zora
they may be opposed to schooling in general. i've heard right wing rants about colleges that are similar to their issues with public schools. some fear indoctrination. others fear that their children will grow up to be different from them. elitist, uppity, arugula eating etc.
I've been teaching for six years, and have never fed a child arugula the whole time.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:21:41pm |
re: #345 Rightwingconspirator
I've been meaning to try the Dogfishhead! I think i'll do that tonight. Thanks.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:22:07pm |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
Hey... some care is better than no care if you are one of those 30 million.
I suppose in 4 years when it kicks in we shall see.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:22:21pm |
re: #346 SteveB4
Have you thought of something you'd have liked to see cut from the budget in 2006 yet?
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:22:35pm |
re: #227 freetoken
They really are living in the past:
Missouri Congressman Mistakenly Refers To 'Soviet Union' In Anti-Obama Space Policy Press Release
Paradoxically, the right wing is denouncing Obama's plan to turn some spaceflight, notably space station re-supply, over to what the media describe as "private contractors". Actually, this contractor, SpaceX, has achieved and demonstrated some unprecedented improvements in efficiency and reliability with it Falcon family of rockets. Media coverage draws a sharp distinction between SpaceX's contracts and past NASA efforts, but in fact the latter were also run by contractors in recent years and the vehicles themselves were, of course, built by contractors. The difference is that SpaceX undertook the Falcon development on its own and without a guarantee of profit from the government. This somehow resulted in a launch system that is less than half the cost of comparable commercial systems originally developed under government contract.
The founder of SpaceX is none other Elon Musk, also founder of PayPal. When he first announced that he would put some of his internet loot into spaceflight, in 2002, a lot of people thought he was nuts, just another over-age kid who made too much money too fast. They stopped laughing and pointing when SpaceX launched a one ton satellite with is own rocket a couple of years ago. The scaled up version that will service the space station is about to fly and SpaceX's own Dragon capsule is in advanced development to partner it.
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Jerk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:22:45pm |
Let's not even talk about the "acceptable" fringes who think the President is a Muslim or ineligible for the presidency; why do they think, as a whole, that he's doing a poor job and destroying our country/values? If anything, he has been creating jobs and stabilizing the market. Maybe these people will go away after things get a lot better?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:22:52pm |
re: #335 Obdicut
I'm talking about health insurance, not health care; apologies for confusion.
The point I'm making is that heavy enough regulation to actually make health insurance companies-- who have an economic incentive to deny coverage, eject people from their rolls, and be inefficient-- behave in a manner that provides health insurance to people who actually have health problems is so onerous that it would actually be less layers of bureaucracy to simply have the program be government-run.
aka The Public Option.
Not just anyone could have signed up for the public option - you had not to have been able to get insurance elsewhere. It wasn't going to be a competitor to the insurance companies - as it was going to be taking the people they rejected and people from firms who could no longer afford coverage.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:23:08pm |
re: #346 SteveB4
I readily admit that in any large group, there will be crazies. Perhaps I tend to focus on their legitimate concerns because of my own personal bias, while others focus on the crazies because of their biases.
Could be. I don't see anything I want from these people.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:23:17pm |
re: #348 Obdicut
I've been meaning to try the Dogfishhead! I think i'll do that tonight. Thanks.
why not start at one side of the taps, have one of each & work your way across the bar?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:23:27pm |
re: #343 zora
they may be opposed to schooling in general. i've heard right wing rants about colleges that are similar to their issues with public schools. some fear indoctrination. others fear that their children will grow up to be different from them. elitist, uppity, arugula eating etc.
That's an old theme in America. In my state of Illinois, the University of Illinois opened a campus downstate at Champagne-Urbana, entirely to soothe concerns of farmers who did not want to send their brightest to school in Chicago for fear they would be corrupted.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:23:37pm |
re: #348 Obdicut
10% alcohol. Use with care. Enjoy!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:23:47pm |
re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist
I've been teaching for six years, and have never fed a child arugula the whole time.
No child would eat arugula.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:23:55pm |
re: #342 Obdicut
That's nice, Walter. Tom Waits is one of the greatest musical geniuses of our age.
I sorely doubt that. David Bowie is.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:24:04pm |
re: #352 Shiplord Kirel
Space exploration is a perfect example of something that should be privatized, too, at this point. I cannot for the life of me understand why the GOP is objecting to it.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:24:15pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:24:24pm |
re: #356 brookly red
Because I have the alcohol tolerance of a tiny-livered schoolgirl.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:25:24pm |
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:25:26pm |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:25:41pm |
re: #361 Obdicut
I cannot for the life of me understand why the GOP is objecting to it.
Because President Obama is for it?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:25:42pm |
re: #363 Obdicut
Because I have the alcohol tolerance of a tiny-livered schoolgirl.
Oh... then I'm sorry... don't take my advice, stay away from the Mickeys and Southern
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:25:51pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:25:52pm |
re: #353 Jerk
Let's not even talk about the "acceptable" fringes who think the President is a Muslim or ineligible for the presidency; why do they think, as a whole, that he's doing a poor job and destroying our country/values? If anything, he has been creating jobs and stabilizing the market. Maybe these people will go away after things get a lot better?
The market would have stabilized and the census would have created jobs with nearly any of the candidates in charge (Kucinich...eh...)
"the president is stabilizing the market" is as far-fetched as "the president is initiating socialism".
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:25:55pm |
re: #362 SteveB4
Okay. You see why it's really, really, really hard to take people who claim they were outraged by Bush's spending seriously, when you can't actually name anything at all that you'd have liked to see cut?
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:26:18pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:26:24pm |
re: #358 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. Two of those will do me. I'm a very cheap self-date.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:26:24pm |
re: #352 Shiplord Kirel
I really like the new plan - it gets us back heavy lift which we desperately need if we are to survive as a nation the second half of this century, and it also puts us on path to start lassoing some resources out there.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:26:34pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:26:34pm |
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:26:50pm |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
No child would eat arugula.
Oh, yes, they would...and Banjo even ate some after the 2008 elections
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:27:08pm |
re: #370 Obdicut
Okay. You see why it's really, really, really hard to take people who claim they were outraged by Bush's spending seriously, when you can't actually name anything at all that you'd have liked to see cut?
how about 10% across the board & be done with it?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:27:21pm |
re: #374 SteveB4
In the sense that it may have been a mistake in the first place. I'll get back to you if I think of something better.
Heading home now, have a good weekend everybody!
Have a good one.
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SteveB4 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:27:35pm |
re: #370 Obdicut
re: #362 SteveB4
Okay. You see why it's really, really, really hard to take people who claim they were outraged by Bush's spending seriously, when you can't actually name anything at all that you'd have liked to see cut?
Aside from military spending, the biggest most dramatic spending Bush did...the bank bailout...was wildly unpopular.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:27:36pm |
re: #366 freetoken
Because President Obama is for it?
How many NASA scientist would be for it... for a totally privatized space program... you have any idea? I really think it should be privatized, but I suspect you would get a lot of push back from most of the "industry" no matter what their politics are like.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:27:37pm |
So, glorifying terrorism is all the rage now?
*spit*
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:27:53pm |
re: #361 Obdicut
I can.
And its not just random Obama hate, altho' that's part of it.
Its more of the "WE BEAT THE RUSSKIES TO THE MOON!" jingoism.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:28:24pm |
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:29:07pm |
re: #335 Obdicut
I'm talking about health insurance, not health care; apologies for confusion.
The point I'm making is that heavy enough regulation to actually make health insurance companies-- who have an economic incentive to deny coverage, eject people from their rolls, and be inefficient-- behave in a manner that provides health insurance to people who actually have health problems is so onerous that it would actually be less layers of bureaucracy to simply have the program be government-run.
I can see where you are coming from, but I disagree. I think by allowing more private business to offer a variety of healthcare options, without arbitrary, and in some case counter productive, regulations, will yield better results in the long term. There are several examples of small businesses who worked out deals with local doctors to provide basic services to their employees, but the deals were shut down since they weren't licensed insurers. The doctors were getting paid, the employees were getting all their medical needs taken care of and the employers were paying a fraction of what they would have if they had worked out a group plan with a bigger carrier, plus their employees weren't taking as much sick time. The only people who had a problem were the insurance regulators, and I blame that on shoddy and poorly thought out policy which focuses more on paperwork than people.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:29:14pm |
re: #119 Ojoe
The national divisiveness has been developing for a long time and IMHO it antedated the "teabaggers" and is much caused by the two party system.
In addition I did not think that Mr Obama could effectively govern the whole country after some of the derogatory slips he made about groups here in the USA during his campaign, and I think events are bearing this out. Remember that the tone is set by the guy at the top. It is on his watch that this is happening.
haha what? I think your wig's a little tight
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:29:32pm |
re: #373 Thanos
I really like the new plan - it gets us back heavy lift which we desperately need if we are to survive as a nation the second half of this century, and it also puts us on path to start lassoing some resources out there.
Why is the heavy lift so important to survival?
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:29:44pm |
re: #378 brookly red
That's a really simplistic and idiotic plan that has no merit to it at all, and doesn't make any sense at all.
Why the hell would you cut across the board and not try to actually cut things that didn't work, while supporting things that did work-- and thus saved us money?
Spending does not vanish into a fiery inferno (except for the money set aside to satisfy Ba'al), but produces results. sometimes, the results aren't worth the spending. Sometimes, they produce much better results than the spending. US investment in the internet spurred our economy enormously.
Cutting 10% across the board has nothing to recommend it.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:29:45pm |
re: #378 brookly red
It would never get through congress.
Too many vested interests, military bases that got closed would be in someones constituency, schools shut across the board would kill any congressman or rep who voted for it back in their district, mass service loss - not going to happen.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:29:58pm |
Friggin' turbo-tax. I have to mail my federal return. Something about filing separately in a community-property state. Next year, we file jointly, but we'll also have a house and other expenses that we'll want to have the combined returns for.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:29:59pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:30:00pm |
re: #363 Obdicut
Because I have the alcohol tolerance of a tiny-livered schoolgirl.
Finally! Something I can best you at!
/hic
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:30:30pm |
My latest is about the Pope and Hitchens...
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:30:42pm |
re: #384 SanFranciscoZionist
10% off the defense budget?
sure... we just did it with the nuke treaty, those suckas are expensive... & besides, do we really need a navy base in Arizona?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:30:45pm |
The sign I'm relishing the most here is the one telling me to SAY "YES" TO "JESUS".
As opposed, to, I guess, Jesus.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:31:08pm |
re: #391 Dark_Falcon
Heck no. That would hit us very hard.
Agreed. But if we leave that out, that's not 10% acros the board.
How about 10% cut from welfare benefits?
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:31:44pm |
re: #392 WindUpBird
If I go back and get the me from seven years ago I'll kick your ass at being a drunk, but yeah, I had to quit drinking when I quit smoking and I've just kept it to a small level ever since then.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:31:49pm |
re: #388 Obdicut
That's a really simplistic and idiotic plan that has no merit to it at all, and doesn't make any sense at all.
Why the hell would you cut across the board and not try to actually cut things that didn't work, while supporting things that did work-- and thus saved us money?
Spending does not vanish into a fiery inferno (except for the money set aside to satisfy Ba'al), but produces results. sometimes, the results aren't worth the spending. Sometimes, they produce much better results than the spending. US investment in the internet spurred our economy enormously.
Cutting 10% across the board has nothing to recommend it.
so why is everything you don't like automatically idiotic or racist?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:32:14pm |
re: #381 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure how many "NASA scientists" are really left, if one means actual Federal employees. A great deal of the scientific exploration is through agreements with institutions (such as Caltech), and a great deal of the aerospace work has been done by contractors for years.
Supposedly there has been a tradition of opposition between those who prefer scientific payloads vs. those who want manned exploration. I know the astronomers with whom I used to hang, while appreciating manned space-flight accomplishments, would lament the exorbitant costs of manned flight and how that impacted science budgets.
Manned space-flight has probably more to do with nationalism and pride than actual accomplishment. The important (military, civil, scientific) space craft are unmanned.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:32:26pm |
re: #395 Cato the Elder
The sign I'm relishing the most here is the one telling me to SAY "YES" TO "JESUS".
As opposed, to, I guess, Jesus.
So they are for immigration reform.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:32:59pm |
re: #389 wozzablog
It would never get through congress.
Too many vested interests, military bases that got closed would be in someones constituency, schools shut across the board would kill any congressman or rep who voted for it back in their district, mass service loss - not going to happen.
well the question was what cuts were wanted... not doable.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:33:02pm |
re: #398 brookly red
It's not, Brookly. But "cut 10% across the board" just makes no sense at all.
For example, I don't like Magnum PI-- I know, I know, heresy. I just get irritated with it. However, Mangum PI isn't racist or idiotic; I simply lack Magnum PI appreciation glands.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:33:24pm |
re: #360 Walter L. Newton
I sorely doubt that. David Bowie is.
I doubt either is a genius, but certainly not Waits
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:33:31pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:33:39pm |
re: #394 brookly red
sure... we just did it with the nuke treaty, those suckas are expensive... & besides, do we really need a navy base in Arizona?
We cut 10% of the defense budget with the nuke treaty? For real? Well, score for Obama, right?
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:33:57pm |
Were there any crowd estimates made so far? 10 million? 20 million? Or 5 thousand?
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:34:00pm |
re: #403 albusteve
Pff don't be hating on Bowie, Ziggy Stardust is amongst the top 10 albums ever!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:34:19pm |
re: #396 SanFranciscoZionist
Agreed. But if we leave that out, that's not 10% acros the board.
How about 10% cut from welfare benefits?
After I get a new job, OK.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:34:23pm |
re: #400 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So they are for immigration reform.
But also for English-only which is why you say 'YES' rather than 'SI' to 'JESUS'.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:34:24pm |
re: #402 Obdicut
It's not, Brookly. But "cut 10% across the board" just makes no sense at all.
For example, I don't like Magnum PI-- I know, I know, heresy. I just get irritated with it. However, Mangum PI isn't racist or idiotic; I simply lack Magnum PI appreciation glands.
But he has hawaiian shirts and one hell of a fine 'stache! WTF is wrong with you?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:34:28pm |
re: #392 WindUpBird
Finally! Something I can best you at!
/hic
Is this you... [Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Jerk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:34:48pm |
re: #369 Aceofwhat?
The market would have stabilized and the census would have created jobs with nearly any of the candidates in charge (Kucinich...eh...)
"the president is stabilizing the market" is as far-fetched as "the president is initiating socialism".
The economic policy that the President sets forth is pretty influential. I would say that the recovery act helped a lot.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:34:58pm |
re: #406 Sigma_x
Were there any crowd estimates made so far? 10 million? 20 million? Or 5 thousand?
Glenn Beck says "ELEVENTY MILLION!!1".
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:35:08pm |
re: #405 SanFranciscoZionist
We cut 10% of the defense budget with the nuke treaty? For real? Well, score for Obama, right?
maybe... we need to cut warheads not delivery systems, but that is a whole nother' thread.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:35:18pm |
Nevermind - "State Capitol Police Chief Charles Tubbs pegged the crowd at approximately 4,500 people."
But how many of those were protesting the protesters?
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:36:08pm |
re: #403 albusteve
Waits is going to be one of the best-remembered musicians from this era. And rightly so.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:36:13pm |
re: #312 Obdicut
So my fiancee is out of town, so I'm going to go have a drink with a friend at a bar tonight. I'm planning on heading to one of those bars with a billion beers, so does anyone have any esoteric beers that are actually good to recommend?
A really esoteric beer is "Saison" beer, like a Saison Dupont...use it like a palate-refresher...it's a simpler style of lighter beer traditionally brewed on Belgian farms.
And you can't go wrong with a very traditional trappist, like a Rochefort.
sorry...Belgian beer partisanship afoot...
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:36:14pm |
re: #310 Dreggas
One of the ironies is that requiring people to have insurance means that the cost will/should go down because everyone is paying into the system. To me it's why I was for single-payer, everyone buys in it keeps the cost down and provides the money necessary to play claims.
There is a built in incentive to raise costs in this model, much like the way that easy and widespread availability of student loans is a contributing factor (major according to some) in the much higher than inflation rate increase in college tuition. Another example may be the way that low interest rates and easy credit are attributed with driving home prices. So, absent some other controls on costs, the fact that the money is available will push medical costs higher. I don't know if this is due to the fact that people really don't shop around for their medical treatments like they would for other major spending decisions like buying a house or a car and they just tend to go with the treatment that the qualified professional suggests, at the place they suggest it be done. I didn't think twice about looking for a bargain when I had my hernias fixed, I just asked, "Is it covered?" and set the date.
This is just what I thought of on first glance at this. What do the rest of you think about this?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:36:21pm |
Well, there goes another myth:
Donner Party ate family dog, maybe not people
The Donner Party, a group of 19th century American pioneers who became snowbound in the Sierra Nevada and supposedly resorted to cannibalism, may not have eaten each other after all, suggests a new study on bones found at the group's Alder Creek campsite hearth in California.
Detailed analysis of the bones instead found that the 84 Donner Party members consumed a family dog, "Uno," along with cattle, deer and horses. Cattle, likely eaten after the animals themselves died of starvation, appear to have been their mainstay.
And it made for such great TV-drama.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:36:33pm |
re: #406 Sigma_x
Were there any crowd estimates made so far? 10 million? 20 million? Or 5 thousand?
1010100 + 1
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:36:41pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:36:43pm |
re: #404 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Where?
Which?
I just checked. Only Naval-related is a Marine Corps air base in Yuma.
I don't know if we need it or not. The Marines might know.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:36:47pm |
re: #410 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Every episode is the same! I like the man personally, but it's all so ludicrous!
I'm a Rockford man.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:37:08pm |
re: #397 Obdicut
If I go back and get the me from seven years ago I'll kick your ass at being a drunk, but yeah, I had to quit drinking when I quit smoking and I've just kept it to a small level ever since then.
I like my nerdy beer culture too much *_* I think the last telling indicator that I drink a lot is when I show up at a karaoke and they already have my customary whiskey and hef ready as I come in. XD
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:37:19pm |
South Korea has raised the ship they lost. Hopefully, we'll soon learn what happened.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:37:26pm |
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:37:46pm |
re: #416 Obdicut
Waits is going to be one of the best-remembered musicians from this era. And rightly so.
[Video]
best remembered does not require genius, that's a stupid notion...Elvis never wrote a word that I know of
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:37:48pm |
re: #400 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So they are for immigration reform.
Heh. When SpaceJesus first came online here, there were some who were absolutely furious that he chose to use "Jesus" as part of his nic. There was much fuming over such 'blasphemy'. "How dare he use that name in his nic"!
I just didn't have the heart to point out Spain and much of South America to them.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:38:02pm |
re: #403 albusteve
I doubt either is a genius, but certainly not Waits
If you start to examine the internal structure of Bowies music, you will see the very classical roots to his music. Actually reading his music is like reading a treatise on traditional classical music construction... a lot of nods to the greats of the 17th and 18th century.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:38:04pm |
re: #398 brookly red
so why is everything you don't like automatically idiotic or racist?
because 10% off the top across all departments at a stroke - is frankly - idiotic.
Mass layoffs, mass closures............ massive spike in unemployment and subsequent need for benefits.......
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:38:16pm |
re: #407 windsagio
Pff don't be hating on Bowie, Ziggy Stardust is amongst the top 10 albums ever!
"Thriller" is still the all-time top, no? I never bought it, never listened to it, and I'll hate on Michael Jackson all I want.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:38:19pm |
re: #420 Varek Raith
1010100 + 1
Ah... so not only are you counting each spermatozoa as a people-in-waiting, but you're accepting that each person-in-waiting himself with produce people-in-waiting, out to a hundred generations!
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:38:35pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:38:54pm |
re: #402 Obdicut
I simply lack Magnum PI appreciation glands.
The new Health Care Reform bill should fix that.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:38:54pm |
re: #430 wozzablog
because 10% off the top across all departments at a stroke - is frankly - idiotic.
Mass layoffs, mass closures... massive spike in unemployment and subsequent need for benefits...
as opposed to what we have now?
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:38:57pm |
re: #415 Sigma_x
Nevermind - "State Capitol Police Chief Charles Tubbs pegged the crowd at approximately 4,500 people."
But how many of those were protesting the protesters?
How many were pegged, and how many were teabagging? Those are two separate and not at all similar sexual activities.
(Look it up if you must. NOTE: both links NSFW. Pegging. Teabagging.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:39:11pm |
re: #432 freetoken
Ah... so not only are you counting each spermatozoa as a people-in-waiting, but you're accepting that each person-in-waiting himself with produce people-in-waiting, out to a hundred generations!
Well, Jewish tradition holds that not only the Jews of Moses' generation stood at Sinai, but all the Jews there would ever be.
This may be similar.
Or not.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:39:11pm |
Here's another set of slides from the rally. Hadn't seen any of these yet.
The one with the "infiltrator" holding a sign that says, I'm With Stupid and arrows pointing in both directions was particularly funny.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:39:22pm |
re: #423 Obdicut
Every episode is the same! I like the man personally, but it's all so ludicrous!
I'm a Rockford man.
Sounds like the old Highlander TV show
McCloud meets old friend
Flashback to historic period piece
Old friend gets in trouble, McCloud helps him
Flashback to historic period piece
Sword fight ensues, McCloud doesn't die
End.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:39:33pm |
re: #402 Obdicut
It's not, Brookly. But "cut 10% across the board" just makes no sense at all.
For example, I don't like Magnum PI-- I know, I know, heresy. I just get irritated with it. However, Mangum PI isn't racist or idiotic; I simply lack Magnum PI appreciation glands.
Can you at least appreciate the 308 GTS? :D
(no I did not have to google that)
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:39:33pm |
re: #427 albusteve
True. Waits will both be well-remembered, and is a musical genius.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:39:48pm |
Here's what's cooking, these babies come off in fifteen minutes...
Image: Whats-Cooking.jpg
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:40:34pm |
re: #435 brookly red
What we have now is a commission cutting line by line behind the scenes - and a military budget office going through programmes and bases.
Departments already have targets for cuts.
Yes - whats happening now - targetted cuts - is preferable.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:40:46pm |
re: #313 reine.de.tout
Now a real question, because i don't know -
competition between states - is that federally prohibited, or prohibited by the states themselves?
Competition between states is not prohibited at all by government. Competition is instead quashed by the large health insurance companies themselves, because large monopolies enable them to drive prices up and increase premiums. The real problem is that insurance companies are exempt from antitrust laws, and nobody has had the political will to stand up to this powerful lobby.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:40:50pm |
re: #431 Cato the Elder
Sales aren't everything :p
I didn't like Thriller that much back when it was new. Of course my mom thought it was evil, so that might have colored my experience some >>
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:40:58pm |
re: #429 Walter L. Newton
If you start to examine the internal structure of Bowies music, you will see the very classical roots to his music. Actually reading his music is like reading a treatise on traditional classical music construction... a lot of nods to the greats of the 17th and 18th century.
I would say he get's the nod over Waits by a wide margin
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:41:01pm |
Protesters To Obama: Save Space Program Jobs
A group of protesters gathered Thursday afternoon near Kennedy Space Center to protest President Barack Obama's new plans for NASA.
The protesters showed up at Astronaut Hall in Merritt Island with signs and banners, but none identified themselves as NASA workers.
The group of 200 was mostly made up of tea party protesters. They came to protest Obama's new plan for the space program.
GET YOUR GUBMINT HANDS OFF MY NASA PROGRAM!!
/BUY GOLD!!
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:41:08pm |
re: #432 freetoken
Ah... so not only are you counting each spermatozoa as a people-in-waiting, but you're accepting that each person-in-waiting himself with produce people-in-waiting, out to a hundred generations!
"If you're going to have delusions of grandeur, you might as well go for the really satisfying ones"
-Marcus Cole, B5
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:41:15pm |
re: #380 SteveB4
Aside from military spending, the biggest most dramatic spending Bush did...the bank bailout...was wildly unpopular.
Don't forget the unfunded Medicare Part D!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:41:23pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:41:26pm |
re: #412 Jerk
The economic policy that the President sets forth is pretty influential. I would say that the recovery act helped a lot.
i wouldn't. hint: inventories.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:41:36pm |
re: #422 SanFranciscoZionist
I just checked. Only Naval-related is a Marine Corps air base in Yuma.
I don't know if we need it or not. The Marines might know.
I figured MCAS Yuma was what brookly was referring to. Don't know what's done there nowadays, but I strongly suspect it's still a training base. Huge bombing range in the desert nearby. My Navy squadron would go there every time we were in port, between WestPac cruises.
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:41:42pm |
re: #406 Sigma_x
Were there any crowd estimates made so far? 10 million? 20 million? Or 5 thousand?
It was the Million Bag march today..
/I don't get it..I pay exactly 38 dollars a month less tax a month under Obama than under Bush...It's a fact..I'm a white collar worker...
If it gets bad and Obama takes my 38 bucks back a month..What am I going to say? You fucking socialist? I need to join a tea party? LOL
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:41:45pm |
re: #443 wozzablog
What we have now is a commission cutting line by line behind the scenes - and a military budget office going through programmes and bases.
Departments already have targets for cuts.
Yes - whats happening now - targetted cuts - is preferable.
OK, good... now 10% less bureaucrats.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:42:01pm |
re: #449 freetoken
So they really, really, really are now protesting to keep the government spending money, and keep people on the government payroll?
Are they trying to disappear up their own singularities?
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:42:06pm |
re: #449 freetoken
There is something to that, kinda... Its why we can't really cut our insanely bloated defense budget either.
Too many jobs at stake.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:42:58pm |
re: #449 freetoken
The group of 200 was mostly made up of tea party protesters. They came to protest Obama's new plan for the space program.
and they failed to notice that NASA's budget goes up under the Obama plan...
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:01pm |
re: #428 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. When SpaceJesus first came online here, there were some who were absolutely furious that he chose to use "Jesus" as part of his nic. There was much fuming over such 'blasphemy'. "How dare he use that name in his nic"!
I just didn't have the heart to point out Spain and much of South America to them.
Who was pissed at the nick?
Never mind. I think I can guess.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:07pm |
re: #451 jamesfirecat
That's what I figured he'd say, given that it really is a terrible bit of expenditure. But of all the people who complain about spending, about one out of ten mentions Medicare D-- and often they try to place the responsibility for it on Democrats.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:15pm |
Wow, FOX is staying grounded in reality for once, saying there were only "4 or 5 thousand people present at the protest."
That's odd.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:16pm |
re: #457 Obdicut
You get the idea they'll take any argument not matter what it is.
The important thing is the opposition.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:26pm |
re: #454 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I figured MCAS Yuma was what brookly was referring to. Don't know what's done there nowadays, but I strongly suspect it's still a training base. Huge bombing range in the desert nearby. My Navy squadron would go there every time we were in port, between WestPac cruises.
now mind you I don't want to cut the military but if 10% means 10% we could probably do it.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:31pm |
re: #426 brookly red
Yuma... Marines ARE Navy.
Yes. See my #454 ... and consider its purpose.
/just sayin' ... make up your own mind about it
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:33pm |
re: #360 Walter L. Newton
I sorely doubt that. David Bowie is.
I listen to a lot more Bowie than Tom Waits, but I like both. :D
SPACEBOY YOURE SLEEPY NOW YOUR SILHOUETTE IS SO STATIONARY
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:49pm |
re: #458 windsagio
There is something to that, kinda... Its why we can't really cut our insanely bloated defense budget either.
Too many jobs at stake.
So do a timed phase out of the jobs. Don't fire everyone, but just don't keep filling seats just to fill seats.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:49pm |
re: #441 Obdicut
True. Waits will both be well-remembered, and is a musical genius.
he's a half baked self taught piano player, likes millions of other people....he has a knack for a song, like thousands of writers....pffft!....if you like him fine, but genius is pretty far fetched
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:43:52pm |
re: #378 brookly red
how about 10% across the board & be done with it?
Brookly - bad idea, I know this.
All that does is keep the same-old, same-old programs, with staff reductions, resulting in and increasingly frazzled staff, and inefficient and effective management of the programs.
I've seen what that does, with my own eyes, year after year after year, at the state level.
Decide what's important, and fund fully.
Decide what is NOT important and get rid of that.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:44:02pm |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:44:08pm |
re: #457 Obdicut
In one of the slideshow pics there is a sign that that says "jobs" over and over, then complains about high taxes...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:44:09pm |
re: #419 freetoken
Well, there goes another myth:
Donner Party ate family dog, maybe not people
And it made for such great TV-drama.
wait, we knew the name of the dog but we didn't know if they were cannibals??
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:44:24pm |
re: #446 windsagio
Sales aren't everything :p
I didn't like Thriller that much back when it was new. Of course my mom thought it was evil, so that might have colored my experience some >>
Sales are everything. They generate commissions, and help me pay my bills.
/says the salesman
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:44:44pm |
re: #439 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sounds like the old Highlander TV show
McCloud meets old friend
Flashback to historic period piece
Old friend gets in trouble, McCloud helps him
Flashback to historic period piece
Sword fight ensues, McCloud doesn't die
End.
All well and good.
But his name was MacLeod.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:45:00pm |
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:45:41pm |
re: #474 Cato the Elder
All well and good.
But his name was MacLeod.
His name was crappy actor and we'll leave it at that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:45:50pm |
re: #460 Cato the Elder
IIRC, some creationists that are no longer here.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:46:07pm |
re: #451 jamesfirecat
Don't forget the unfunded Medicare Part D!
Medicare D, public enemy number one
Five-o said freeze and I got numb
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:46:19pm |
re: #464 brookly red
now mind you I don't want to cut the military but if 10% means 10% we could probably do it.
I was only referring to the base itself, not the prior issue.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:46:20pm |
re: #469 reine.de.tout
Brookly - bad idea, I know this.
All that does is keep the same-old, same-old programs, with staff reductions, resulting in and increasingly frazzled staff, and inefficient and effective management of the programs.
I've seen what that does, with my own eyes, year after year after year, at the state level.
Decide what's important, and fund fully.
Decide what is NOT important and get rid of that.
of course but my original comment was snark to someone suggesting that there was no place to cut...
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:46:20pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:46:26pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:46:31pm |
Couldn't resist.
Image: grammar-nazi.jpg
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darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:46:46pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:46:55pm |
re: #468 albusteve
he's a half baked self taught piano player, likes millions of other people...he has a knack for a song, like thousands of writers...pffft!...if you like him fine, but genius is pretty far fetched
I'm starting to get that you're not a fan of music where virtuosity is not immediately apparent ;-)
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:47:07pm |
re: #471 freetoken
In one of the slideshow pics there is a sign that that says "jobs" over and over, then complains about high taxes...
I think it's unrealistic to expect Steve Jobs to pick up the slack the rest of us tax payers aren't carrying. I mean, Apple is doing pretty well, but that seems a bit much.
/
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:47:22pm |
Did any of you see the anti-protester protest's/infiltrator signs from yesterday's Boston rally?
Hysterical.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:47:51pm |
re: #428 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. When SpaceJesus first came online here, there were some who were absolutely furious that he chose to use "Jesus" as part of his nic. There was much fuming over such 'blasphemy'. "How dare he use that name in his nic"!
I just didn't have the heart to point out Spain and much of South America to them.
no one of any religion who loves The Big Lebowski objected to that name...Turturro is a genius...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:47:52pm |
re: #466 WindUpBird
I listen to a lot more Bowie than Tom Waits, but I like both. :D
SPACEBOY YOURE SLEEPY NOW YOUR SILHOUETTE IS SO STATIONARY
I don't listen to ANY Waits because I can't understand a fucking thing he is singing. His tunes themselves are nice, but nothing special. His lyrics are probably the best part of his talent, very good verse.
But honestly, bottom line, when you have someone who sounds like a porcupine crawled into his throat, it's destroys the whole thing. I want to hear the music and understand the story. He's not an italian opera where I should have a libretto.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:48:16pm |
re: #477 Slumbering Behemoth
IIRC, some creationists that are no longer here.
Fuck 'em. They've either flounced or been booted. Losers, all of them.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:49:04pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:49:28pm |
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:49:47pm |
re: #490 Dark_Falcon
Fuck 'em. They've either flounced or been booted. Losers, all of them.
/Flounce McBoot would make a nice nick ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:50:16pm |
re: #491 Varek Raith
"GENERIC ANGRY SLOGAN!"
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:50:32pm |
re: #475 Dark_Falcon
Just be glad they are being sane.
But it's so unusual, I can't help waiting for the other shew to drop.... oh wait Glen Beck is due on in how long?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:50:47pm |
re: #470 Walter L. Newton
No... I meant, is this where you acquired your "wind up bird" persona?
Nah, the nick is basically a reference to my persona of sorts that I've had in furry fandom (see avatar) for many years, which is a clockwork/toy eagle. And wind-up critters and scary misfit toys are themes I draw and paint a lot. It's only a direct reference to my own stuff :D
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:50:52pm |
re: #284 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Personally, I would like to see the government moving away from being a service industry with government employees filling positions at all levels. Instead, I think we would be better off with the government serving in a purely regulatory fashion. This comes from my time in both the military and private sector dealing with career government employees.
In many cases, you are right - government should move away from direct service and to regulation.
However, there is a role for government in service provision. The free market is an excellent way to approach many problems, except those where it makes little financial sense to provide widespread services. Most of these are infrastructure - it's not a good fiscal plan for a for-profit company to build infrastructure, such as roads, electricity, sewage, and so forth. Sparsely populated areas that need these services just as much as densely populated ones don't offer enough profit to make it worthwhile to the free market.
This then is where government can and should step in. Government can do things like build infrastructure where they won't make a profit on it, because they don't answer to shareholders or stock prices - they just answer to the guys who vote.
My stance is that health care is more like an infrastructure than a profit. The free market cannot provide widespread health care. It's not profitable. Yet the health and wellbeing of the populace at large is key to the functioning of a nation and a society. It's a role that government can and should take.
And as an added bonus, government can also bring the costs of health care down. It's a win-win.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:50:54pm |
re: #490 Dark_Falcon
Fuck 'em. They've either flounced or been booted. Losers, all of them.
Really... that's not very nice... I think we were created... by aliens... I think this planet was seeded, on purpose, with the necessary elements and pieces needed to create life, and they have been using this planet as one large experiment for millions and millions of years.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:50:56pm |
re: #481 Obdicut
I'm sorry you can't get into him, Steve, but yeah, he is a genius.
[Video]
Beethoven was a genius, Robert Johnson was a genius, Waits is pretty ordinary....I can't seem to grasp what he does that elevates him to genius status...he didn't invent a new gendre, he can't really play much of a piano...sounds like hype to me....Iggy Pop was more innovative and he was a total moron
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:51:22pm |
re: #488 Aceofwhat?
no one of any religion who loves The Big Lebowski objected to that name...Turturro is a genius...
I heard you rolled your way into the semis!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:51:24pm |
re: #494 brookly red
/Flounce McBoot would make a nice nick ;)
would invite skepticism, though, about one's intentions...
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:51:57pm |
re: #469 reine.de.tout
Brookly - bad idea, I know this.
All that does is keep the same-old, same-old programs, with staff reductions, resulting in and increasingly frazzled staff, and inefficient and effective management of the programs.
I've seen what that does, with my own eyes, year after year after year, at the state level.
Decide what's important, and fund fully.
Decide what is NOT important and get rid of that.
But...but...that would make sense instead of being a simple-shit bumper-sticker solution.
And it would require people who can think.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:00pm |
re: #497 WindUpBird
Nah, the nick is basically a reference to my persona of sorts that I've had in furry fandom (see avatar) for many years, which is a clockwork/toy eagle. And wind-up critters and scary misfit toys are themes I draw and paint a lot. It's only a direct reference to my own stuff :D
And here I thought you were a refugee from the Tiki Room.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:02pm |
re: #499 Walter L. Newton
Really... that's not very nice... I think we were created... by aliens... I think this planet was seeded, on purpose, with the necessary elements and pieces needed to create life, and they have been using this planet as one large experiment for millions and millions of years.
Chariots of the Gods?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:17pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:24pm |
re: #494 brookly red
"Flouncey McBooterson", prior to their visit to Ellis Island.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:37pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:53pm |
re: #504 CyanSnowHawk
And here I thought you were a refugee from the Tiki Room.
The Enchanted one at Disneyland? :D
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:59pm |
re: #485 WindUpBird
I'm starting to get that you're not a fan of music where virtuosity is not immediately apparent ;-)
you have not been around for our long discussions on the subject here, you'll just have to catch up if you're interested....I made no mention of virtuosity, even tho it might be one measure of genius
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:53:05pm |
re: #489 Walter L. Newton
I don't listen to ANY Waits because I can't understand a fucking thing he is singing. His tunes themselves are nice, but nothing special. His lyrics are probably the best part of his talent, very good verse.
But honestly, bottom line, when you have someone who sounds like a porcupine crawled into his throat, it's destroys the whole thing. I want to hear the music and understand the story. He's not an italian opera where I should have a libretto.
Sitting in a smoky bar at his piano with a cig and watered down Bourbon singing Warm Beer and cold woman was pure genius...
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:53:05pm |
re: #502 Aceofwhat?
would invite skepticism, though, about one's intentions...
some people have no sense of humor...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:53:35pm |
re: #511 HoosierHoops
Sitting in a smoky bar at his piano with a cig and watered down Bourbon singing Warm Beer and cold woman was pure genius...
No... that was a pure drunk...
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:53:57pm |
re: #500 albusteve
That's great, Steve. I understand you personally don't like him. That doesn't have much bearing.
Simply Denying that Waits has been a genre-bending, innovative dude is just risible.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:54:45pm |
re: #487 Sigma_x
Did any of you see the anti-protester protest's/infiltrator signs from yesterday's Boston rally?
Hysterical.
Be careful about linking to WeirdNutDaily. Charles doesn't like it much. That site is full of crazy.
BBL
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:54:48pm |
re: #503 Cato the Elder
But...but...that would make sense instead of being a simple-shit bumper-sticker solution.
And it would require people who can think.
Do you have a collection of those photos, or do you just google for them?
LOL.
I screwed up my post, I was trying to get it written.
But it seems folks got the gist, anyhow.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:55:12pm |
re: #509 WindUpBird
The Enchanted one at Disneyland? :D
Where birds can sing and flowers croon.
That's the one.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:55:23pm |
re: #477 Slumbering Behemoth
IIRC, some creationists that are no longer here.
Some may still be here in stealth mode.
And at least one person got her knickers all a-twist at "goddamnedfrank's" blasphemous nick.
I'm guessing that may have happened with SpaceHaysoos, too.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:55:55pm |
re: #515 Dark_Falcon
Be careful about linking to WeirdNutDaily. Charles doesn't like it much. That site is full of crazy.
BBL
Oh, okay. Makes sense.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:56:10pm |
re: #518 Cato the Elder
Some may still be here in stealth mode.
And at least one person got her knickers all a-twist at "goddamnedfrank's" blasphemous nick.
I'm guessing that may have happened with SpaceHaysoos, too.
Don't you mean SpaceHeyZeus???
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:56:25pm |
re: #513 Walter L. Newton
No... that was a pure drunk...
So fucking what..Ray Charles was on Heroin...Hendrix? Janis?
Tom was a good writer and musician that told great tales
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:56:41pm |
re: #511 HoosierHoops
Sitting in a smoky bar at his piano with a cig and watered down Bourbon singing Warm Beer and cold woman was pure genius...
nobody ever did that before?....Waits is no genius
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:57:13pm |
re: #499 Walter L. Newton
Really... that's not very nice... I think we were created... by aliens... I think this planet was seeded, on purpose, with the necessary elements and pieces needed to create life, and they have been using this planet as one large experiment for millions and millions of years.
Such explanations are interesting, but only move the question of creation one step back along the line.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:57:24pm |
re: #518 Cato the Elder
Perhaps. Personally, I think blasphemy is a healthy part of a free society, and I highly encourage it in most of it's forms.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:57:25pm |
re: #445 Renaissance_Man
Competition between states is not prohibited at all by government. Competition is instead quashed by the large health insurance companies themselves, because large monopolies enable them to drive prices up and increase premiums. The real problem is that insurance companies are exempt from antitrust laws, and nobody has had the political will to stand up to this powerful lobby.
That may be part of it, but I believe there is some state involvement in prohibiting competition among states. I have a vague notion that it's done by states requiring insurance companies to have a presence or be registered or domiciled WITHIN the state. I'll have to find out more - later when I have some energy to look further.
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:57:36pm |
re: #522 albusteve
nobody ever did that before?...Waits is no genius
I said that song was genius..I didn't call him one..
/
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:57:45pm |
re: #520 Varek Raith
Don't you mean SpaceHeyZeus???
/don't blaspheme against the denizens of Mt. Olympus, heathen...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:57:54pm |
re: #510 albusteve
you have not been around for our long discussions on the subject here, you'll just have to catch up if you're interested...I made no mention of virtuosity, even tho it might be one measure of genius
I'm just noticing the pattern, you bring up technique a lot. Which is fine, I like technique! But I get the feeling it's more important to you than it is to me.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:58:27pm |
re: #521 HoosierHoops
Is, still knocking around with Kathleen up at mystery location north of SF here.
I missed seeing him on his last tour, but I got to see him once in Boston. He put on a four hour show, and did a long trombone solo that was really nifty.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:58:35pm |
re: #514 Obdicut
That's great, Steve. I understand you personally don't like him. That doesn't have much bearing.
Simply Denying that Waits has been a genre-bending, innovative dude is just risible.
[Video]
he was not innovative...people have been performing that same riff for a hundred years, in on form or another...you are starting to sound ridiculous....proceed
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:58:44pm |
re: #517 CyanSnowHawk
Where birds can sing and flowers croon.
That's the one.
I am a fan! Every time I go (which is rarely) I visit that and Space mountain.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:58:57pm |
re: #499 Walter L. Newton
Really... that's not very nice... I think we were created... by aliens... I think this planet was seeded, on purpose, with the necessary elements and pieces needed to create life, and they have been using this planet as one large experiment for millions and millions of years.
The question is what do you get if you multiply six by nine.
You can go home now folks.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:59:11pm |
re: #520 Varek Raith
Don't you mean SpaceHeyZeus???
That's what he needs to use when he goes out of here on his adventures in swamps.
They wouldn't know what to make of it -
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:59:27pm |
re: #524 Slumbering Behemoth
Perhaps. Personally, I think blasphemy is a healthy part of a free society, and I highly encourage it in most of it's forms.
i'm glad you came out and said it...the avatar wouldn't have given it away otherwise/
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:59:31pm |
re: #524 Slumbering Behemoth
Perhaps. Personally, I think blasphemy is a healthy part of a free society, and I highly encourage it in most of it's forms.
Blass-fa-me
Blass-fa-you
Pretty soon we're all wearing designer clothes and wondering why our wallets are so thin.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:59:32pm |
Turning common words into acronyms is the newest fad! It is a form of right wing haiku and everyone can do it. It's easy and fun and it impresses stupid people by hinting that you are giving hidden knowledge!
Let's try a few...
Bumbling
Exasperating
Crazy
Kook
Or
Ignorant
Narcissistic
Hyperventilating
Oppressive
Fanatical
Evangelist
Or
Petty
Arrogant
Little
Idiotic
Nit-wit
Or
Racist
Ugly
Slimy
Hippo
Don't you see the patterns?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:59:36pm |
re: #521 HoosierHoops
So fucking what..Ray Charles was on Heroin...Hendrix? Janis?
Tom was a good writer and musician that told great tales
What's with the "was"? Did I miss a death notice?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:59:53pm |
re: #521 HoosierHoops
So fucking what..Ray Charles was on Heroin...Hendrix? Janis?
Tom was a good writer and musician that told great tales
HH... I find nothing really special about ATom Waits... I personally know two contemporaries of his, back from the 60's-70's who are just as talented as he is, and had about as much exposure at the time as he did.
And there were many other artist in his style that came into their own in that time period. He didn't create anything unique, he rode in on the jazz, blues and vaudeville styles that was foundational in the "beat" movement.
I'm not saying he is bad, or terrible, but he is not special, there were a dozen like him from his original era.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:00:30pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:00:30pm |
re: #530 albusteve
I'm fairly sure that the use of the Mellotron doesn't go back a hundred years, actually. Given that Waits invents some of his instruments, they're unique simply by definition-- though obviously that doesn't have innate value.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:00:33pm |
re: #524 Slumbering Behemoth
Perhaps. Personally, I think blasphemy is a healthy part of a free society, and I highly encourage it in most of it's forms.
I prefer blaspheyou...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:00:56pm |
re: #523 Cato the Elder
Such explanations are interesting, but only move the question of creation one step back along the line.
But it true... didn't you see the spaceship out back, under the back porch... ready to zoom down the side of the mountain... you were here... I pointed it out to you... you said.. "neat."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:01:15pm |
re: #534 Aceofwhat?
I don't think there's any blasphemy in my avatar, at least that I'm aware of. Is there?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:01:29pm |
It's interesting that nobody did a live stream on the DC protests. I haven't even seen a decent crowd shot. Looks like it was a washout.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:01:31pm |
Oh and...
Monkton: got consanguinity?
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:01:41pm |
re: #530 albusteve
he was not innovative...people have been performing that same riff for a hundred years, in on form or another...you are starting to sound ridiculous...proceed
Who is innovative Steve? The Rolling Stones? Clapton...
I've only heard one pretty cool song from him...
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:01:46pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:01:57pm |
re: #540 Obdicut
I'm fairly sure that the use of the Mellotron doesn't go back a hundred years, actually. Given that Waits invents some of his instruments, they're unique simply by definition-- though obviously that doesn't have innate value.
I would love to see Waits and Blixa Bargeld put their heads together and make some weird fuck music with gear they built themselves :D
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:02:01pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:02:28pm |
re: #535 CyanSnowHawk
designer clothes
In truth, something a lot of peolpe would Dior.
/and go to heaven
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~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:02:54pm |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, they always claim Rome for that, but I believe it was actually the lead in the water, and the Visigoths, and sodomy was kind of incidental to the whole thing.
Note: there is actually no statistical evidence suggesting that prosperity and prowess in war is linked to heterosexuality.
There's some good evidence that it's not. See Sparta.
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Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:03:19pm |
In light of the first photo which includes Joe McCarthy I thought this article was appropriate:
Ask the card-carrying socialists: Is Obama one of them?
By John Blake, CNN
Billy Wharton should be happy.
"Socialized health care" is on its way. The "socialist agenda" is taking over America. And best of all, Barack Obama, a "committed socialist ideologue," is in the Oval Office.
But Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He's seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal.
"We didn't see a great victory with the election of Barack Obama," Wharton says, " and we certainly didn't see our agenda move from the streets to the White House."
Are many Americans secret socialists?
Obama's opponents have long described him as a socialist. But what do actual socialists think about Obama? Not much, says Wharton.
"He's the president whose main goal is to protect the wealth of the richest 5 percent of Americans."
He and others say the assertion that Obama is a socialist is absurd.
"It makes no rational sense. It clearly means that people don't understand what socialism is."...
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:03:48pm |
re: #528 WindUpBird
I'm just noticing the pattern, you bring up technique a lot. Which is fine, I like technique! But I get the feeling it's more important to you than it is to me.
depends on how the term is applied doesn't it?....was Dylan a genius as a writer?....he didn't invent a new form of poetry or verbage....nothing new there, but in his time and place he was pretty much singular....doesn't make him a genius, just very good at what he was doing....he thinks a lot of his work stinks and his fans are dopes for liking it....genius gets tossed around too frequently, it loses all meaning for some people...Waits is no genius
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:03:58pm |
re: #540 Obdicut
I'm fairly sure that the use of the Mellotron doesn't go back a hundred years, actually. Given that Waits invents some of his instruments, they're unique simply by definition-- though obviously that doesn't have innate value.
He didn't invent the mellotron?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:04:10pm |
re: #551 ~Fianna
There's some good evidence that it's not. See Sparta.
Or Alexander the Great or Richard the Lionheart - to name a few.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:04:20pm |
re: #550 pre-Boomer Marine brat
PIMF ... people
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Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:04:30pm |
re: #547 reine.de.tout
And the answer to the question is:
No.
I'd think she'd fit in pretty well here, no?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:05:26pm |
re: #552 Gus 802
In light of the first photo which includes Joe McCarthy I thought this article was appropriate:
Ask the card-carrying socialists: Is Obama one of them?
By John Blake, CNN
Now now, abusing the rubes with little things like facts and consistent definitions will only make you unpopular!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:06:15pm |
re: #543 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't think there's any blasphemy in my avatar, at least that I'm aware of. Is there?
no. the finger isn't blasphemous...just funny...
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:06:28pm |
re: #537 Cato the Elder
What's with the "was"? Did I miss a death notice?
Ray is long gone bro...five/six years now
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:06:38pm |
re: #549 Obdicut
Speaking of blasphemy--
Chocolate Jesus
- Tom Waits
[Video]
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webevintage Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:06:46pm |
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Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:06:54pm |
re: #558 LudwigVanQuixote
Now now, abusing the rubes with little things like facts and consistent definitions will only make you unpopular!
I'll be fine as long as I keep my Plastic Ceiling Cat riding on the dashboard of my car.
/
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:06:57pm |
re: #546 HoosierHoops
Who is innovative Steve? The Rolling Stones? Clapton...
I've only heard one pretty cool song from him...
Zeppelin
| 567 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:07:25pm |
re: #557 JasonA
I'd think she'd fit in pretty well here, no?
Yes, actually, probably so.
We need to get word to her somehow, ya think?
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:07:28pm |
Overbearing
Beholden (to the unions)
Agitator
Moot
Addled
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:07:28pm |
re: #558 LudwigVanQuixote
Now now, abusing the rubes with little things like facts and consistent definitions will only make you unpopular!
so "He's the president whose main goal is to protect the wealth of the richest 5 percent of Americans." is accurate? OK.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:07:57pm |
Well, got the majority of my Army ready to go for Saturday. Got about another 500 pts to play with, so debating adding some Wolfguard in a second Landraider or maybe a dreadnaught to round things out.
Wolf Priest Olaf Krieg, Wolf Tail Talisman, Saga of the Warrior BornBloodclaw Pack (15 Blood Claw), power fist, flamer x2
Land Raider Crusader
Grey Hunters (10) Melta gun, Plasma Gun, Power Fist, Wulfen
Rhino with Storm Bolter
Grey Hunters (10) Melta gun, Plasma Gun, Power Fist, Wulfen
Rhino with Storm Bolter
Long Fang Pack 2 Heavy Bolter, Missile Launcher, 2 Lascannon
Razorback with Heavy Bolters
Long Fang Pack 2 Heavy Bolter, Missile Launcher, 2 Lascannon
Razorback with Heavy Bolters
And unlike some foul heretics, I actually paint and use the real models.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:08:03pm |
re: #112 reine.de.tout
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:08:45pm |
re: #555 LudwigVanQuixote
Or Alexander the Great or Richard the Lionheart - to name a few.
Hi Ludwig! Hope today finds you well.. Have you had a chance to read Dr. Pamela Gay's series on Gravity this week at her web site?
I saw her the other night on the Science channel..She is great..I don't think she is part of the Nuker group but she should be..
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freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:08:50pm |
Teenage boys and cellphones - a disaster waiting to happen:
4 Calif. boys cited for alleged 'sexting'
Four 15-year-old California boys have been cited for allegedly "sexting" nude and seminude photos of eight girls ages 14-15, authorities say.
San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies said Wednesday the Yucaipa High School teens, whose names were withheld because they are minors, had posted the photos to Yahoo.com's social networking message board, The (Riverside, Calif.) Press-Enterprise reports.
The newspaper said the citations were for sexually exploiting a minor, which can result in felony charges, and misdemeanor possession of harmful matter of someone under 18. County prosecutors were expected to determine whether criminal charges should be brought.
A sheriff's spokeswoman said school administrators came upon the photos on the Internet while investigating a fight.
Clark Marrow, the sheriff's crime prevention program coordinator, told the Press-Enterprise the girls had been exchanging photos among themselves before sending the pictures to one of the boys.
"We haven't seen one case with this many people involved before," Marrow said. "That's what makes this one stand out."
The county prosecuted nine "sexting" cases last year, the newspaper said. A sheriff's department school resource officers report names "sexting" the top problem in San Bernardino County schools, Marrow said.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:08:51pm |
Holy shit!
:D ... I was gonna leave, but now I'm gonna stay around for a few.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:09:18pm |
re: #568 pingjockey
Overbearing
Beholden (to the unions)
Agitator
Moot
Addled
That you for that pointless bit of Trivia.
| 576 |
pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:09:26pm |
Buh Bye, off to the damn torture chamber. AKA physical therapy.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:09:32pm |
re: #562 reine.de.tout
Heh. I love that almost as much as boxing nun.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Waits has a lot of Jesus.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:10:36pm |
re: #123 freetoken
and more teens will now be "sex offenders" for doing stupid shit.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:10:48pm |
re: #571 Dreggas
uh-oh.
the numbering system is screwed up.
My post wasn't #112 as it shows in your quote
My post was #562.
I wonder what's up?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:10:51pm |
re: #569 brookly red
so "He's the president whose main goal is to protect the wealth of the richest 5 percent of Americans." is accurate? OK.
In relative terms?. yes.
Tax rates are going back to the levels they were when Bush took over. The poorest will still pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the richest.
90% of the wealth is in the hands of the top 5% - when that changes, after Obama bankrupts the UberClass, let me know.
555-nevergonnahappen
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:10:55pm |
re: #562 reine.de.tout
JESUS ON THE DASHBOARD! OH YEAH!!!
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:11:06pm |
re: #546 HoosierHoops
Who is innovative Steve? The Rolling Stones? Clapton...
I've only heard one pretty cool song from him...
Cream was certainly innovative, the Stones were just very good copy cats, paying trib to the oldsters....Clapton, Bruce and Baker actually designed a whole new thing....but I don't consider them geniuses either, huge talented all three tho
Paul Butterfield was wildly innovative back in 1964, combining white boys with blacks to form an electric blues band, nobody had ever done that before....he was on the cusp at that point, and there again he was a sensation
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:11:25pm |
re: #536 LudwigVanQuixote
Hey that's kind of fun
Lizardoid
Unknown
Doctor
With
Impenetrable
Generally
Valid
Arguments
Now
Quickly
Uttering
Imminent
Xtinction
Of
The
Environment
I had to cheat with the 'X' but everything else worked.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:11:55pm |
re: #580 wozzablog
Tax rates are going back to the levels they were when Bush took over. The poorest will still pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the richest.
say what???
| 585 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:11:56pm |
No, lady, I'm going to call you stoopid.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:12:58pm |
re: #554 Walter L. Newton
He didn't invent the mellotron?
no
The Mellotron is an electro-mechanical, polyphonic keyboard originally developed and built in Birmingham, England in the early 1960s. It superseded the Chamberlin, which was the world's first sample-playback keyboard. The heart of the instrument is a bank of parallel linear magnetic audio tapes, which have approximately eight seconds of playing time each. Playback heads underneath each key enable the playing of pre-recorded sounds.
wiki
| 587 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:13:17pm |
re: #580 wozzablog
In relative terms?. yes.
Tax rates are going back to the levels they were when Bush took over. The poorest will still pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the richest.
90% of the wealth is in the hands of the top 5% - when that changes, after Obama bankrupts the UberClass, let me know.
555-nevergonnahappen
well Gee, I would think that you would be less supportive then...
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:14:20pm |
re: #584 Aceofwhat?
Well, assuming the richest have the 15% effective tax rate of capital gains, in order to figure out whether that claim is true or not we'd have to figure out the real tax burden of a poor person-- what they spend in all taxes, not just income taxes. And I have looked and looked for such a calculation, but haven't found one-- if you ever do, let me know.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:14:20pm |
re: #584 Aceofwhat?
say what???
He said a higher percent of their income in taxes than the rich, not a higher percent of income taxes.
I think the idea is that poor people who have to pay the same amount of sales tax as the recent of us, loose a larger percent of their total earnings to such taxes then rich people do to such taxes plus income tax.
I don't have the numbers to back it up but does that make sense as a possibility?
| 590 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:14:22pm |
re: #578 Dreggas
IMO the punishment may be worse than the crime in some of these cases. Boys have been sneaking peaks of naked girls since, well, since before cell phones, and while I would not want a young girl to be abused in such fashion, making 14 year old boys felons because of it seems like too much.
| 591 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:14:42pm |
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:14:56pm |
re: #584 Aceofwhat?
say what???
meh. i knew i what i was trying to say - came out wrong somewhere along the line.
| 593 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:15:07pm |
re: #283 Walter L. Newton
We got this new kitten in the house... 7 weeks old or so, one of the step-critters brought it home (wish she would just start bringing boy friends home or something like that).
This thing has more energy than I've ever seen. It's trying to climb everything, including me. And all it wants to do is find something to "bat" at, anything that moves. Hell, if I stay totally still, it will try to bite my noise hairs that are waving back and forth.
Get off my lap... get off my shoulder, get off the back of my office chair before you fall down... this little fucking would try climbing air if there wasn't anything else.
Bwahahaha, and if you have a heart, it will start growing on you eventually.
I didn't think I liked cats all that much until my ex brought a kitten home, much to my chagrin at the time. When she left, I kept the cat. I basically pulled a Charleton Heston. "You can have Alfie when you pry him from my cold, dead hands."
| 594 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:15:09pm |
Be back another day.
It was fun, especially at the end ... :D
| 595 |
Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:15:22pm |
Well, I'll just drop the mother of all acronyms
Helping Children Through Research And Development
Thats the acronym, it stands for:
Hi, Everyone. Let's Pitch In 'N' Get Cracking Here In Louisiana Doing Right, Eh? Now Then. Hateful Rich Overbearing Ugly Guys Hurt Royally Everytime Someone Eats A Radish, Carrot, Hors d'oeuvre, And Never Does Dishes. Eventually, Victor Eats Lunch Over Peoria Mit Ein Neuesberger Tod
| 596 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:15:56pm |
re: #588 Obdicut
Well, assuming the richest have the 15% effective tax rate of capital gains, in order to figure out whether that claim is true or not we'd have to figure out the real tax burden of a poor person-- what they spend in all taxes, not just income taxes. And I have looked and looked for such a calculation, but haven't found one-- if you ever do, let me know.
cool - a project! i'll try to find something untainted.
but given that the poorest receive an EITC, i have an educated guess as to how this is going to turn out...
| 597 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:16:16pm |
| 598 |
prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:16:33pm |
Photos from KC area Tea Parties. It does not seem to be much of a turn out:[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
| 599 |
Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:16:38pm |
re: #570 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Against the Bug you'd almost definitely want at least one JotWW rune priest. It's basically an automatic win. Unless you consider it so ridiculously overpowered (which it is) that it's not fair to take.
| 600 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:16:43pm |
re: #596 Aceofwhat?
cool - a project! i'll try to find something untainted.
but given that the poorest receive an EITC, i have an educated guess as to how this is going to turn out...
like a monte game?
| 601 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:16:59pm |
re: #592 wozzablog
meh. i knew i what i was trying to say - came out wrong somewhere along the line.
ah, i do that all the time. no worries. and now you have me answering an interesting question for future discussion with Obdicut, so it's all gravy;)
| 602 |
~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:17:09pm |
re: #584 Aceofwhat?
say what???
It's actually not a higher percentage. It's a higher-impact rate.
For example, if you earn 10,000 dollars and are taxed at 10%, your tax is $1000, leaving you 9,000 to live on.
If you earn one million dollars and you are taxed at 45%, that still leaves you 550,000 to live on.
It's effectively more painful for lower-income people.
Also, people with 10,000 incomes are far less likely to have any tax breaks at all, with the exception of either EIC or dependent-care credits, which means that the EFFECTIVE tax rate of wealthy Americans is lower than the stated rate, and occasionally lower than the lowest-tier tax rate.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:17:12pm |
re: #593 Fozzie Bear
Bwahahaha, and if you have a heart, it will start growing on you eventually.
I didn't think I liked cats all that much until my ex brought a kitten home, much to my chagrin at the time. When she left, I kept the cat. I basically pulled a Charleton Heston. "You can have Alfie when you pry him from my cold, dead hands."
I have a heart... I keep four or five of them in a bottle of formaldehyde.
We have two grown cats. Cat's are alright. But I just don't want to keep adding to the zoo, we have 5 critters in the house already.
| 604 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:17:36pm |
re: #596 Aceofwhat?
going out, but just a qiuckie, how does the EIC interact with payroll taxes?
//altho' I think that's actually the point of it >>
| 605 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:17:52pm |
re: #553 albusteve
depends on how the term is applied doesn't it?...was Dylan a genius as a writer?...he didn't invent a new form of poetry or verbage...nothing new there, but in his time and place he was pretty much singular...doesn't make him a genius, just very good at what he was doing...he thinks a lot of his work stinks and his fans are dopes for liking it...genius gets tossed around too frequently, it loses all meaning for some people...Waits is no genius
Dylan invented a new way of breathing. Call it phrasing if you like, but I'm surprised you don't get it.
| 606 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:17:59pm |
I'm gonna invent a new musical instrument called the Metatron and advertise it as "The Voice of God".
It will sound a bit like this
only every car alarm within a radius of ten miles will go off and then die permanently and your cats will all become sphynxes.
| 607 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:18:09pm |
re: #590 freetoken
IMO the punishment may be worse than the crime in some of these cases. Boys have been sneaking peaks of naked girls since, well, since before cell phones, and while I would not want a young girl to be abused in such fashion, making 14 year old boys felons because of it seems like too much.
agree. and if this is the worst thing the county is dealing with, they should rename it Pleasantville...
| 608 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:18:46pm |
re: #543 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't think there's any blasphemy in my avatar, at least that I'm aware of. Is there?
Well they had success in calling Mandy's avatar offensive and blasphemous and got Charles to make her change it, now they are emboldened. Guess you are next, after all who else but God could change a nuclear blast into the finger? Isn't it blasphemy to think that he would do that?
Personally I think God might as well have a good time while killing more than 3/4 of the worlds population, it seems entirely appropriate to me (at least if you believe like many Evangelicals and Pentecostals that God is a psychopathic sociopathic genocidal killer).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:19:03pm |
hahaha they have the most hilariously nerdy Tea Party guy on Hardball, he looks like he collects Bud K swords
Also, some guy who looks like he's from central casting for "crazy old fuck" going all Birther
| 610 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:19:30pm |
re: #602 ~Fianna
higher impact is much more conceivable than higher percentage. but Wozza said they mixed the terms, so it's all good.
| 611 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:19:35pm |
re: #606 Cato the Elder
I'm gonna invent a new musical instrument called the Metatron and advertise it as "The Voice of God".
It will sound a bit like this
[Video]only every car alarm within a radius of ten miles will go off and then die permanently and your cats will all become sphynxes.
/just because you can freeze LSD for 40 years don't mean you should...
| 612 |
Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:19:40pm |
re: #599 Renaissance_Man
Against the Bug you'd almost definitely want at least one JotWW rune priest. It's basically an automatic win. Unless you consider it so ridiculously overpowered (which it is) that it's not fair to take.
Yeah, I was considering him with 2 Lighting Claw and 2 Thunderhammer Wolf Guard Terminators in a second Land Raider. Might have to dump a few Blood Claws to even out the points to 2K, but not that many.
| 613 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:19:41pm |
re: #607 Aceofwhat?
agree. and if this is the worst thing the county is dealing with, they should rename it Pleasantville...
Indeed. If "sexting" is really worthy of being near the top of the list of concerns, we are doing pretty damn well, i'd have to say.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:20:04pm |
re: #608 ausador
Well they had success in calling Mandy's avatar offensive and blasphemous and got Charles to make her change it, now they are emboldened. Guess you are next, after all who else but God could change a nuclear blast into the finger? Isn't it blasphemy to think that he would do that?
Personally I think God might as well have a good time while killing more than 3/4 of the worlds population, it seems entirely appropriate to me (at least if you believe like many Evangelicals and Pentecostals that God is a psychopathic sociopathic genocidal killer).
who is "they", out of curiosity? i was joking...
| 615 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:20:07pm |
re: #596 Aceofwhat?
It's entirely likely that the very poorest pay a lower percentage-- I certainly hope so. However, the main point remains. Buffet's point remains: he pays a lower percentage in taxes than his secretary does.
Moreover, if you analyze it though other metrics, you can look at it other ways. What percentage of the wealth of a poor person goes to taxes, versus the ultra rich? That number is a hell of a lot higher, given that the poor have close to zero wealth anyway.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:21:08pm |
re: #607 Aceofwhat?
agree. and if this is the worst thing the county is dealing with, they should rename it Pleasantville...
/Pleasantville... Churches & Liquor Stores...
name that tune.
| 617 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:21:10pm |
re: #598 prairiefire
Photos from KC area Tea Parties. It does not seem to be much of a turn out:[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
Bwahahah .....
Deadhead Teapartier:
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
| 618 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:21:11pm |
re: #597 albusteve
my bad...
but Ray Lives On!
Steve..There a few people I know that has such a deep understanding of the roots of music than you...I've learned a lot here from you...
| 619 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:21:12pm |
re: #584 Aceofwhat?
say what???
Ok, this is what i was trying to get at -
The first $8350 of taxable income is charged at 10% - equalling $835 out of pocket. Sales taxes - in texas for example, are 8%, thats another $40 on a fridge freezer etc.
After $350,000 of taxable income the rate is 35%.
who misses what is deducted most? - someone losing the cost of replacing a washer dryer/fridge freezer - or the person who may not be able to buy the third home?.
Who misses what they are taxed most at the current rates?
| 620 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:21:13pm |
re: #602 ~Fianna
Thanks for putting that clearly-- I judged myself incapable of describing that aspect. Succinctly put.
| 621 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:21:32pm |
re: #579 reine.de.tout
uh-oh.
the numbering system is screwed up.
My post wasn't #112 as it shows in your quote
My post was #562.
I wonder what's up?
Anarchy baby, anarchy, yeehaw, luap nor rules!
| 622 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:09pm |
| 623 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:15pm |
re: #619 wozzablog
Ok, this is what i was trying to get at -
The first $8350 of taxable income is charged at 10% - equalling $835 out of pocket. Sales taxes - in texas for example, are 8%, thats another $40 on a fridge freezer etc.
After $350,000 of taxable income the rate is 35%.
who misses what is deducted most? - someone losing the cost of replacing a washer dryer/fridge freezer - or the person who may not be able to buy the third home?.
Who misses what they are taxed most at the current rates?
uhhhh, the 30 million unemployed?
| 624 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:19pm |
re: #598 prairiefire
Photos from KC area Tea Parties. It does not seem to be much of a turn out:[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
Heh. The girl in the background is sleeping.
| 625 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:27pm |
This guy used to parade around Market Street in San Francisco (haven't seen him in a while)
Here he is in front of AT&T park.
There was an interview with him a few years back...he'd disappear for a few weeks and people wondered where he went...his answer, "I go skiing in the Sierras for a few weeks each winter on vacation."
| 626 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:31pm |
re: #613 Fozzie Bear
Indeed. If "sexting" is really worthy of being near the top of the list of concerns, we are doing pretty damn well, i'd have to say.
You have to fix the broken windows, and this one is seriously broken. Allowing foolish kids making foolish mistakes to be punished with overly harsh sentences should be stopped as soon as is practical.
| 627 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:41pm |
re: #622 reine.de.tout
happened to me the ther night when someone replied - numbering went all fooey.
| 628 |
webevintage Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:49pm |
My local news just said there were THOUSANDS in DC today for the Tea Party Tax Day stuff....I thought I heard maybe 500 or 600 were there?
Anyone know?
| 629 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:55pm |
| 630 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:22:57pm |
re: #623 brookly red
uhhh, the 30 million unemployed?
So should we create some kind of system where poor people don't have to pay sales tax?
| 631 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:23:22pm |
re: #608 ausador
Ace wasn't being serious.
And for a time, I did have a blasphemous avatar. One which both sides of that particular avatar row seemed to conveniently ignore.
| 632 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:23:23pm |
re: #626 CyanSnowHawk
You have to fix the broken windows, and this one is seriously broken. Allowing foolish kids making foolish mistakes to be punished with overly harsh sentences should be stopped as soon as is practical.
Sex offender laws in America are broken :(
| 633 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:23:39pm |
re: #628 webevintage
My local news just said there were THOUSANDS in DC today for the Tea Party Tax Day stuff...I thought I heard maybe 500 or 600 were there?
Anyone know?
It was more, like, eleventy trillion. Duh.
| 634 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:23:48pm |
re: #614 Aceofwhat?
who is "they", out of curiosity? i was joking...
This is why "sarc" tags are important...
sorry. :(
| 635 |
prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:23:59pm |
re: #617 Thanos
The Deadhead's multi racial niece and nephew look thrilled out of their minds to be there, not. "Unc, are you going to start hollering in public again?
| 636 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:24:07pm |
re: #614 Aceofwhat?
who is "they", out of curiosity? i was joking...
I think he means me, but I'm going to ignore it. He has a scary kitten avatar.
| 637 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:24:24pm |
re: #598 prairiefire
Photos from KC area Tea Parties. It does not seem to be much of a turn out:[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
They are drawing mustaches on George Washington? WTF? (last photo of button)
Oh, and it said 45 people were there.
| 638 |
Kragar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:24:27pm |
And I'm off, have to do touch up work for the rest of the night.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:24:27pm |
re: #627 wozzablog
happened to me the ther night when someone replied - numbering went all fooey.
So, you're saying it's not a plot aimed at ME?
| 640 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:24:41pm |
re: #631 Slumbering Behemoth
Ace wasn't being serious.
And for a time, I did have a blasphemous avatar. One which both sides of that particular avatar row seemed to conveniently ignore.
| 641 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:25:17pm |
re: #615 Obdicut
It's entirely likely that the very poorest pay a lower percentage-- I certainly hope so. However, the main point remains. Buffet's point remains: he pays a lower percentage in taxes than his secretary does.
Moreover, if you analyze it though other metrics, you can look at it other ways. What percentage of the wealth of a poor person goes to taxes, versus the ultra rich? That number is a hell of a lot higher, given that the poor have close to zero wealth anyway.
that's the genesis of a much longer discussion, as "wealth" in many cases is invested and contributes to the economic engine. to what extent...well, we're going to need a lot of trappist beers. and like you, i can't handle more than 2 or 3...
| 642 |
prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:25:18pm |
re: #631 Slumbering Behemoth
I saw it! I was outraged, I tells ya! Well, I'm telling you now.
| 643 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:25:22pm |
re: #623 brookly red
Exactly.
Those with the lowest incomes in a regressive system - those on fixed incomes like pension or benefits or minimum wage - will always be hit hardest by sales taxes.
| 644 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:25:35pm |
re: #636 Cato the Elder
I think he means me, but I'm going to ignore it. He has a scary kitten avatar.
When people have kitty avatars my mind always wants to think they're female.
| 645 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:25:58pm |
re: #630 jamesfirecat
So should we create some kind of system where poor people don't have to pay sales tax?
I was think more like cutting payroll taxes so there would not be so many unemployed... but hey.
| 646 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:26:19pm |
re: #639 reine.de.tout
So, you're saying it's not a plot aimed at ME?
can never rule *that* out..............
(looks around shiftily)
| 647 |
~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:26:35pm |
re: #620 Obdicut
Thanks for putting that clearly-- I judged myself incapable of describing that aspect. Succinctly put.
The numbers get a lot more complicated when you start trying to account for sales tax and all the other various and sundry tax credits, so I'll leave that to other people to try and document.
Also the fact that our tax system is set up on a scale, so that each dollar up to the end of the bracket is taxed at that bracket rate, then the next bracket, etc.
So everyone only pays 10% on the first 8k...
Here - this website [Link: www.moneychimp.com...] has a nifty little tool.
Again, this is just raw, without deductions, etc.
| 648 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:26:58pm |
re: #643 wozzablog
Exactly.
Those with the lowest incomes in a regressive system - those on fixed incomes like pension or benefits or minimum wage - will always be hit hardest by sales taxes.
oh and VAT taxes will be just killa.
| 649 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:27:31pm |
re: #642 prairiefire
I think you and one other person noticed it.
| 650 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:27:51pm |
re: #619 wozzablog
Ok, this is what i was trying to get at -
The first $8350 of taxable income is charged at 10% - equalling $835 out of pocket. Sales taxes - in texas for example, are 8%, thats another $40 on a fridge freezer etc.
After $350,000 of taxable income the rate is 35%.
who misses what is deducted most? - someone losing the cost of replacing a washer dryer/fridge freezer - or the person who may not be able to buy the third home?.
Who misses what they are taxed most at the current rates?
Gotcha. Fianna did you proud, i think.
| 651 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:28:03pm |
Well, if the Capitol Police estimate of 4,500 attendees at the D.C. rally is right, or anywhere close to not being left, I think we can safely say this movement is moribund. They even had the Grifter herself there, and this is the best they can muster? And it was a beautiful day.
The Tea Parties are dead, and Palin can go back to making millions for being a popular airhead.
| 652 |
~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:28:04pm |
re: #630 jamesfirecat
So should we create some kind of system where poor people don't have to pay sales tax?
If you itemize you get back sales tax.
I
| 653 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:28:07pm |
| 654 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:28:09pm |
re: #605 ryannon
Dylan invented a new way of breathing. Call it phrasing if you like, but I'm surprised you don't get it.
I do get his phrasing, you needn't be condescending...but I don't think he invented it....the blue note, and drop note have been around for decades, experiments with phrasing goes way back to Mississippi field hollers and Dylan just continued the experiment, cramming more words into the beat etc....I'm not surprised you don't get it
| 655 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:24pm |
re: #632 WindUpBird
Sex offender laws in America are broken :(
They are, but that's what happens when you use legislation to buy votes (Vote for me, I'm tough on child pornographers!). Poor laws that eventually snare people you never meant to. I don't envy the people that need to fix them. How would you like to be the legislator that had to change the law in order to not snare foolish kids but also not leave loopholes that will be exploited by the very people you meant to stop with the law in the first place?
| 656 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:27pm |
But senior Fox News executives said they were not aware Hannity was being billed as the centerpiece of the event or that Tea Party organizers were charging for admission to Hannity’s show as part of the rally. They first learned of it Thursday morning from John Finley, Hannity's executive producer, who was in Cincinnati to produce Hannity's show.
Furious, top officials recalled Hannity back to New York to do his show in his regular studio. The network plans to do an extensive post-mortem about the incident with Finley and Hannity's staff.
“Fox News never agreed to allow the Cincinnati Tea Party organizers to use Sean Hannity’s television program to profit from broadcasting his show from the event," said Bill Shine, the network’s executive vice president of programming. "When senior executives in New York were made aware of this, we changed our plans for tonight’s show.”
| 657 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:29pm |
re: #652 ~Fianna
If you itemize you get back sales tax.
I
Poorer folks don't have enough deductions or whatever to itemize.
Well, actually, even those who aren't so poor but who aren't RICH, and who have no debt, often don't have enough to itemize.
| 658 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:31pm |
re: #654 albusteve
I do get his phrasing, you needn't be condescending...but I don't think he invented it...the blue note, and drop note have been around for decades, experiments with phrasing goes way back to Mississippi field hollers and Dylan just continued the experiment, cramming more words into the beat etc...I'm not surprised you don't get it
So right... and the beat goes on...
| 659 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:44pm |
re: #645 brookly red
I was think more like cutting payroll taxes so there would not be so many unemployed... but hey.
That won't work until there is a significant and prolonged upswing in demand across the economy. it's just not in the firms interests to start mass hirings at the outlay of thousands in training costs and salary when the demand is not there to support their output.
Even then the kickbacks will only be a marginal difference as firms realise they may have over cut and need to hire back at faster rates to fill increased demand.
| 660 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:47pm |
re: #648 brookly red
oh and VAT taxes will be just killa.
| 661 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:47pm |
re: #618 HoosierHoops
Steve..There a few people I know that has such a deep understanding of the roots of music than you...I've learned a lot here from you...
nah, it's just stuff I've picked up, nothing special about it amigo
| 662 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:57pm |
| 663 |
~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:57pm |
re: #648 brookly red
oh and VAT taxes will be just killa.
VAT or some other form of national sales tax is probably the fairest way to do it.
You can just exempt things like food and clothing at a basic level (say under $30.00 an item, for example).
No exemptions. No rebates. No nasty paperwork. No personal audits. A much smaller IRS.
| 664 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:30:28pm |
re: #634 ausador
This is why "sarc" tags are important...
sorry. :(
no sweat! just didn't want folks to be scared that Ace was huntin' fer witches...
| 665 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:30:32pm |
| 666 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:30:51pm |
re: #651 Cato the Elder
Well, if the Capitol Police estimate of 4,500 attendees at the D.C. rally is right, or anywhere close to not being left, I think we can safely say this movement is moribund. They even had the Grifter herself there, and this is the best they can muster? And it was a beautiful day.
The Tea Parties are dead, and Palin can go back to making millions for being a popular airhead.
how can tea parties be dead when the left needs an enemy?
| 667 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:30:52pm |
re: #653 reine.de.tout
I did it to make a point to both bitching parties, but AFAIK it went unnoticed. When our host pointed out that his real-life persona is the one that ends up getting flack for that sort of thing here, I changed it back to the FOAD.
| 668 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:31:25pm |
| 669 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:31:52pm |
| 670 |
~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:32:40pm |
re: #657 reine.de.tout
Poorer folks don't have enough deductions or whatever to itemize.
Well, actually, even those who aren't so poor but who aren't RICH, and who have no debt, often don't have enough to itemize.
I have a consulting business, so that helps. I also have a mortgage and student loan interest.
It's the little things that add up, but usually you don't get to the point where you get a benefit from itemizing until you get to the middle of the middle class, if that makes any sense.
| 671 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:32:58pm |
re: #645 brookly red
I was think more like cutting payroll taxes so there would not be so many unemployed... but hey.
Yeah, let's lay off the poor, over-taxed corporations.
Exxon tries to limit the tax pain with the help of 20 wholly owned subsidiaries domiciled in the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands that (legally) shelter the cash flow from operations in the likes of Angola, Azerbaijan and Abu Dhabi. No wonder that of $15 billion in income taxes last year, Exxon paid none of it to Uncle Sam, and has tens of billions in earnings permanently reinvested overseas.
| 672 |
bratwurst Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:33:51pm |
re: #648 brookly red
oh and VAT taxes will be just killa.
The newest boogeyman to join the ranks of "return of the fairness doctrine" and "the thugs are coming for our guns and ammo!"
| 673 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:33:58pm |
re: #655 CyanSnowHawk
They are, but that's what happens when you use legislation to buy votes (Vote for me, I'm tough on child pornographers!). Poor laws that eventually snare people you never meant to. I don't envy the people that need to fix them. How would you like to be the legislator that had to change the law in order to not snare foolish kids but also not leave loopholes that will be exploited by the very people you meant to stop with the law in the first place?
My feelings on sex offender laws is they're not going to prevent the majority of abuse, because the majority of abusers are family. I think for every savvy abuser who knows the law and attempts to exploit it, there's hundreds who just do their thing ignorant of the text of any specific law. So err on the side of not making kids who text butt photos to each other sex offenders.
Prosecutors are part of the problem, vote buying is part of the problem, weird attitudes in America about sex and teens is part of the problem. Yay, it all sucks!
| 674 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:34:18pm |
re: #671 JasonA
yeah it is a shame they had to hide their money from the gubermint instead of hiring people...
| 675 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:34:41pm |
re: #672 bratwurst
The newest boogeyman to join the ranks of "return of the fairness doctrine" and "the thugs are coming for our guns and ammo!"
so you will oppose them?
| 676 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:35:03pm |
Big scary forehead guy says he's smarter than all of you...
Image: sol33.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg
| 677 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:35:24pm |
re: #658 Walter L. Newton
So right... and the beat goes on...
a very few people actually came up with anything 'new' in this century...it's a process, a linear innovation...one thing leads to another by nature so to speak....in your own space in time there maybe be a genius or two but mostly it's just growing from one thing into another....Waits is no genius, I should know...my IQ is 167
| 678 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:35:38pm |
Seriously, how can you not feel sympathy and sorrow for people who sincerely believe their constipational rights are being trampled by government health care?
| 679 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:35:44pm |
re: #461 Obdicut
That's what I figured he'd say, given that it really is a terrible bit of expenditure. But of all the people who complain about spending, about one out of ten mentions Medicare D-- and often they try to place the responsibility for it on Democrats.
And I doubt any of the self-righteous pundits hopping on this wagon went berserk about it at the time.
| 680 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:35:47pm |
re: #666 brookly red
how can tea parties be dead when the left needs an enemy?
How can Obama be democratically elected by the will of the people, when the Teahadis need him to be a Communist Dictator?
/
| 681 |
~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:35:51pm |
re: #675 brookly red
so you will oppose them?
I wish I didn't have to go finish cleaning the kitchen, because I'm curious as to why you're so opposed to the idea of a VAT.
Hopefully I'll catch you later when I have more time, because I'd like to hear your side of it.
| 682 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:35:57pm |
re: #674 brookly red
yeah it is a shame they had to hide their money from the gubermint instead of hiring people...
Uh huh. Let's all remember this when Exxon tankers use our highways but would rather pay taxes to other gov'ts than ours.
| 683 |
Lidane Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:36:14pm |
re: #656 darthstar
Heh. I can just imagine the series of phone calls over that. Someone is going to get fired over that, and it won't be Hannity.
| 684 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:36:35pm |
re: #680 Slumbering Behemoth
How can Obama be democratically elected by the will of the people, when the Teahadis need him to be a Communist Muslim Dictator?
/
Fixed it for you. No charge.
| 685 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:36:52pm |
re: #681 ~Fianna
I wish I didn't have to go finish cleaning the kitchen, because I'm curious as to why you're so opposed to the idea of a VAT.
Hopefully I'll catch you later when I have more time, because I'd like to hear your side of it.
oh I will be quick... no more taxes.
| 686 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:37:28pm |
re: #480 brookly red
of course but my original comment was snark to someone suggesting that there was no place to cut...
No, I didn't suggest that, IIRC. I wanted to know what you would cut.
| 687 |
~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:01pm |
re: #685 brookly red
oh I will be quick... no more taxes.
So much for leaving right away.
What about something like a VAT as a replacement for income/payroll/capital gain taxes?
| 688 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:14pm |
re: #668 brookly red
so if they become true you will oppose them?
Huh? Depends on the circumstances, depends how the law is written, depends how it effects me. As my attorney father says, "the answer is always, it depends." I'm a small business owner with complicated enough finances that I hire a tax preparer to make sense of it all.
I'm just saying, it's actually not true that it's being considered at this time, it's a GOP talking point.
| 689 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:15pm |
re: #681 ~Fianna
I wish I didn't have to go finish cleaning the kitchen, because I'm curious as to why you're so opposed to the idea of a VAT.
Hopefully I'll catch you later when I have more time, because I'd like to hear your side of it.
i am (and would guess that brookly) opposed to a VAT in addition to our current tax structure. If you mean 'as a replacement for', which i think you do, that's a whole different ball of wax...
| 690 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:16pm |
re: #686 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I didn't suggest that, IIRC. I wanted to know what you would cut.
no not you... O
| 692 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:44pm |
Time for a little fun: Terry Crews Old Spice commercials.
| 693 |
Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:48pm |
re: #606 Cato the Elder
I'm gonna invent a new musical instrument called the Metatron and advertise it as "The Voice of God".
It will sound a bit like this
[Video]only every car alarm within a radius of ten miles will go off and then die permanently and your cats will all become sphynxes.
When I was a kid there was a clap of thunder so loud it set off every car alarm in the neighborhood. Awesomely scary.
| 694 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:56pm |
re: #682 JasonA
Uh huh. Let's all remember this when Exxon tankers use our highways but would rather pay taxes to other gov'ts than ours.
Won't somebody think of the poor supertankers? ;_; LET FREEDOM RING
| 695 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:39:16pm |
re: #657 reine.de.tout
Poorer folks don't have enough deductions or whatever to itemize.
Well, actually, even those who aren't so poor but who aren't RICH, and who have no debt, often don't have enough to itemize.
I just could never be bothered to itemize, even when I was making a ton of money.
I'd rather pay three times the taxes I owe than do one hour's worth of paperwork.
| 696 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:39:16pm |
re: #678 Cato the Elder
Seriously, how can you not feel sympathy and sorrow for people who sincerely believe their constipational rights are being trampled by government health care?
I don't think anyone has a guaranteed right to be full of shit, but if they do, the Teahadis sure are exercising the hell out of that right.
| 697 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:39:36pm |
re: #644 JasonA
When people have kitty avatars my mind always wants to think they're female.
Does that include mine?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:39:41pm |
re: #678 Cato the Elder
Seriously, how can you not feel sympathy and sorrow for people who sincerely believe their constipational rights are being trampled by government health care?
If I can't hold on to my impacted feces, then I don't know what America stands for anymore
| 699 |
Lidane Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:39:50pm |
re: #680 Slumbering Behemoth
How can Obama be democratically elected by the will of the people, when the Teahadis need him to be a Seekrit Kenyan Nazi Communist Muslim Terrorist Dictator?
/
Just adding a few words JasonA missed. ;)
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~Fianna Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:40:00pm |
re: #691 wozzablog
many thanks.
No problem.
I'm one of the people who pay less now than I did in my early 20s when I made 50% less (at least.)
| 701 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:40:14pm |
| 702 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:40:55pm |
Is this a precursor to the splitting of the GOP?
Florida Governor Vetoes Teacher Pay Bill
Florida Governor Charlie Crist, fighting for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate, stirred more speculation he may leave the party and run as an independent when he vetoed a contentious Republican measure on Thursday.
The outcome of the Florida political battle is being watched closely for its impact on the November congressional elections, in which Republicans hope to cut, and possibly overturn, Democratic majorities in the U.S. House and Senate.
Crist, whose veto distanced him from his party's conservative wing, has repeatedly denied he may run as an independent in the August 24 primary election to decide the party's Senate candidate.
Crist vetoed a bill passed by the Republican-led Legislature to eliminate traditional teacher tenure, saying the measure went too far in taking away teacher protections that constituents overwhelmingly wanted to keep. The bill also would have linked teachers' pay to improvements in student test scores.
Though the "true conservatives" like to think they would be in a majority if those nasty RINOs would just stop diluting the purity of the message, Crist looks to be tacking to the center, strongly.
| 703 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:41:10pm |
re: #692 JasonA
Time for a little fun: Terry Crews Old Spice commercials.
[Video]
agree completely. i'm buying it just to support the irreverent marketing campaign...
| 704 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:41:20pm |
| 705 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:41:51pm |
re: #697 jamesfirecat
Does that include mine?
No, but Final Fantasy avatars come damn close... Actually, Anime avatars in general, mostly because they all look so feminine to me.
| 706 |
Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:42:43pm |
I don't get it. All this talk about government and taxes. The talk about government obstructing growth. Wherein lies the responsibility of the private sector?
What the heck are they doing to invest in the future of the American worker? For the most part it seems to me that the big money is still going into legal Wall Street ponzi schemes. If not that they busy moving their manufacturing to China where they can pay the workers 1930s wages.
It's time the private sector (and yes that includes the corporations) got off their asses and stopped blaming the government for their failure to accelerate the recovery.
| 707 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:42:59pm |
re: #702 freetoken
After the Deutch election it looks like he's headed right direction for FL
| 708 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:43:16pm |
re: #670 ~Fianna
I have a consulting business, so that helps. I also have a mortgage and student loan interest.
It's the little things that add up, but usually you don't get to the point where you get a benefit from itemizing until you get to the middle of the middle class, if that makes any sense.
Yes, it makes perfect sense.
But not everyone who gets to the middle of the middle benefits from itemizing.
According to a "tool" I found at the NYTimes, our family is in the upper 5th in occupation, education, income and wealth. THAT was an eye-opener for me because we are most definitely not rich; we live comfortably but conservatively.
We have no debt, well, except for my car payment. We haven't had enough deductions or whatever (I'm not sure of the terms) to itemize in several years.
| 709 |
bratwurst Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:44:13pm |
re: #675 brookly red
so you will oppose them?
Unreservedly. I will also oppose the actual boogeyman, as well as Freddy Kruger, Jason, Pinhead, and Chucky the demon doll should they show up.
| 710 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:44:14pm |
re: #702 freetoken
Though the "true conservatives" like to think they would be in a majority if those nasty RINOs would just stop diluting the purity of the message, Crist looks to be tacking to the center, strongly.
That's my dude. Although it'd be even better if his last name was "Christ"...i keep accidentally spelling it that way...
can you imagine the savior jokes i/we could make?
| 711 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:44:45pm |
re: #706 Gus 802
I don't get it. All this talk about government and taxes. The talk about government obstructing growth. Wherein lies the responsibility of the private sector?
What the heck are they doing to invest in the future of the American worker? For the most part it seems to me that the big money is still going into legal Wall Street ponzi schemes. If not that they busy moving their manufacturing to China where they can pay the workers 1930s wages.
It's time the private sector (and yes that includes the corporations) got off their asses and stopped blaming the government for their failure to accelerate the recovery.
Deregulation! Yes...
| 712 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:44:49pm |
re: #666 brookly red
how can tea parties be dead when the left needs an enemy?
Why should the left need an enemy when we've got ourselves?
Are you the People's front of Judea?
No we're the Judean people's front!
SPLITTER!
| 713 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:45:00pm |
re: #673 WindUpBird
My feelings on sex offender laws is they're not going to prevent the majority of abuse, because the majority of abusers are family. I think for every savvy abuser who knows the law and attempts to exploit it, there's hundreds who just do their thing ignorant of the text of any specific law. So err on the side of not making kids who text butt photos to each other sex offenders.
Prosecutors are part of the problem, vote buying is part of the problem, weird attitudes in America about sex and teens is part of the problem. Yay, it all sucks!
Sex offender laws that are designed to identify TRUE predators and require them to make notice to a neighborhood when they move in, would work quite well.
The problem is that these laws are ensnaring all sorts of people are silly and immature, but are no danger to the kids around them.
| 714 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:45:46pm |
re: #712 jamesfirecat
Why should the left need an enemy when we've got ourselves?
Are you the People's front of Judea?
No we're the Judean people's front!
SPLITTER!
/I we support your right to have babies if you could ;)
| 715 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:46:16pm |
re: #654 albusteve
I do get his phrasing, you needn't be condescending...but I don't think he invented it...the blue note, and drop note have been around for decades, experiments with phrasing goes way back to Mississippi field hollers and Dylan just continued the experiment, cramming more words into the beat etc...I'm not surprised you don't get it
I'd post music videos illustrating my point, but you've already said you don't watch them. The truth is, I'm a little too tired to go looking. Maybe later. What you've said above is true to a point, but doesn't go far enough. Allen Ginsberg spent time explaining prana which can loosely be defined as the modulation of the life-force associated with one's manner of breathing. At that point, Dylan's phrasing took a quantum-jump: it was no longer a prolongation of field hollers or cramming more words into the beat, etc., just as Charlie Parker's music could not be said to be some sort of souped-up version Dixieland. In each case, they had pushed the envelope in new territory: something which had never been heard before. As for being condescending, I wasn't. But so as not to disappoint you, let me add that I'm not surprised that you think I was.
| 716 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:46:21pm |
re: #706 Gus 802
It's time the private sector (and yes that includes the corporations) got off their asses and stopped blaming the government for their failure to accelerate the recovery.
Sounds good to me. Simultaneously, it's time the public sector stopped giving themselves credit for any whiff of a recovery!
| 717 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:46:25pm |
re: #645 brookly red
I was think more like cutting payroll taxes so there would not be so many unemployed... but hey.
Simplistic.
Firms won't hire - whatever the rates - if there is no demand for the output of the worker.
The economy needs to hit a prolonged period of growth before firms will justify spending thousands training new employees and the huge investment of capital needed to fund a mass hiring over the first year.
| 718 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:46:42pm |
re: #707 Thanos
That story relates a poll that indicates Crist would win in a 3 way race. That would be interesting.
| 719 |
Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:46:44pm |
re: #711 brookly red
Deregulation! Yes...
That can help if applied correctly. One has to consider that the Meltdown of 2008 was caused by financial activity that was legal under current regulations.
| 720 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:30pm |
re: #607 Aceofwhat?
agree. and if this is the worst thing the county is dealing with, they should rename it Pleasantville...
Yeah, I call bullshit on that. San Bernardino's teens have bigger problems than nudie pictures on cellphones. I know people who work there.
| 721 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:40pm |
re: #719 Gus 802
That can help if applied correctly. One has to consider that the Meltdown of 2008 was caused by financial activity that was legal under current regulations.
upding for flexibility...
| 722 |
Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:48:01pm |
re: #716 Aceofwhat?
Sounds good to me. Simultaneously, it's time the public sector stopped giving themselves credit for any whiff of a recovery!
Oh. Well, that would be like asking for politicians to stop bloviating.
| 723 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:48:09pm |
re: #677 albusteve
a very few people actually came up with anything 'new' in this century...it's a process, a linear innovation...one thing leads to another by nature so to speak...in your own space in time there maybe be a genius or two but mostly it's just growing from one thing into another...Waits is no genius, I should know...my IQ is 167
On the internet, everyone has:
* an IQ > 150
* an 8-inch penis (you too, girls)
* at least one highly successful small business
* above-average children
* several advanced degrees
| 724 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:48:46pm |
A rumor that Elvis had been sighted outside the White House three years ago would have produced more attendees in half an hour than this Tea Party bullshit did all day.
| 725 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:48:55pm |
re: #723 negativ
On the internet, everyone has:
* an IQ > 150
* an 8-inch penis (you too, girls)
* at least one highly successful small business
* above-average children
* several advanced degrees
BS, I got no kids...
| 726 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:49:13pm |
re: #720 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I call bullshit on that. San Bernardino's teens have bigger problems than nudie pictures on cellphones. I know people who work there.
i figured. either way, methinks he doth protest too much...
| 727 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:49:15pm |
re: #723 negativ
On the internet, everyone has:
* an IQ > 150
* an 8-inch penis (you too, girls)
* at least one highly successful small business
* above-average children
* several advanced degrees
Oh, and we're all right. As in correct.
| 728 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:49:17pm |
re: #625 darthstar
This guy used to parade around Market Street in San Francisco (haven't seen him in a while)
Here he is in front of AT&T park.
There was an interview with him a few years back...he'd disappear for a few weeks and people wondered where he went...his answer, "I go skiing in the Sierras for a few weeks each winter on vacation."
That's Frank Chu, the sign guy. Now he's at this afternoon's Tea Party in SF, count on it.
| 729 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:49:25pm |
re: #695 Cato the Elder
I just could never be bothered to itemize, even when I was making a ton of money.
I'd rather pay three times the taxes I owe than do one hour's worth of paperwork.
I wish I could convince the Roi to do that.
Every year, an entire day:
mumble mumble mumble and this adds up to mumble mumble mumble BABY WHERE'S A PENCIL? mumble mumble mumble CAN YOU GET ME A PIECE OF PAPER? mumble mumble mumble um yeah ok mumble mumble mumble CAN YOU FIX ME A SANDWICH? mutter mutter mumble ...
| 730 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:49:29pm |
re: #723 negativ
On the internet, everyone has:
* an IQ > 150
* an 8-inch penis (you too, girls)
* at least one highly successful small business
* above-average children
* several advanced degrees
Very few people have a pigeon, however.
| 731 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:49:54pm |
re: #724 Cato the Elder
A rumor that Elvis had been sighted outside the White House three years ago would have produced more attendees in half an hour than this Tea Party bullshit did all day.
Imagine if there was a rumor that Michael Jackson had been sighted...
| 732 |
Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:50:19pm |
re: #728 SanFranciscoZionist
That's Frank Chu, the sign guy. Now he's at this afternoon's Tea Party in SF, count on it.
What's his angle? Just weird signs?
| 733 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:50:24pm |
re: #722 Gus 802
Oh. Well, that would be like asking for politicians to stop bloviating.
...which will happen when all corporations become founts of altruism!
| 734 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:50:28pm |
re: #723 negativ
On the internet, ...
A WOMAN has gone from Nintendo to nympho after a fall from her Wii Fit board turned her into a sex addict.
Randy Amanda Flowers needs 10 sex sessions a day after the slip-up.
And now the slightest of vibrations, from mobile phones to food processors, turns her on.
| 735 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:50:39pm |
re: #639 reine.de.tout
So, you're saying it's not a plot aimed at ME?
No, maybe not, maybe...but can you ever really be sure?
BTW I have another recipe for you:
Tuna Cakes (poor mans crab cakes)
In a large bowl combine
4 x cans of Tuna (drained)
1 x 6oz Box Stove Top Chicken Stuffing
2 x Eggs, beaten
2tsp Worcestershire sauce
2tsp Yellow mustard
1pkg Lipton Onion Soup Mix
2TBLS sweet dill relish
3/4cup of warm water
After stirring together cover with lid or plastic wrap and refrigerate for at least one hour to allow the onions in the soup mix to rehydrate. Apply non-stick cooking spray to a large baking sheet and then spoon large heaping Tablespoons of the mixture onto it. Use the back of the spoon to form it into flat patties about 2 and 1/2 inches around by 3/8" thick.
Bake at 350 degrees for about ten minutes, flip patties and bake for an additional ten minutes.
(another from the ausador bag of bachelor "fine cuisine.")
| 737 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:51:39pm |
re: #635 prairiefire
The Deadhead's multi racial niece and nephew look thrilled out of their minds to be there, not. "Unc, are you going to start hollering in public again?
Yes. That is the expression of a pair of kids who are being alternately bored and mortified by the adult they have to appear in public with.
| 738 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:51:44pm |
re: #735 ausador
No, maybe not, maybe...but can you ever really be sure?
BTW I have another recipe for you:
Tuna Cakes (poor mans crab cakes)
In a large bowl combine
4 x cans of Tuna (drained)
1 x 6oz Box Stove Top Chicken Stuffing
2 x Eggs, beaten
2tsp Worcestershire sauce
2tsp Yellow mustard
1pkg Lipton Onion Soup Mix
2TBLS sweet dill relish
3/4cup of warm waterAfter stirring together cover with lid or plastic wrap and refrigerate for at least one hour to allow the onions in the soup mix to rehydrate. Apply non-stick cooking spray to a large baking sheet and then spoon large heaping Tablespoons of the mixture onto it. Use the back of the spoon to form it into flat patties about 2 and 1/2 inches around by 3/8" thick.
Bake at 350 degrees for about ten minutes, flip patties and bake for an additional ten minutes.
(another from the ausador bag of bachelor "fine cuisine.")
that has 12 million mgs of salt...
| 739 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:51:44pm |
re: #715 ryannon
I'd post music videos illustrating my point, but you've already said you don't watch them. The truth is, I'm a little too tired to go looking. Maybe later. What you've said above is true to a point, but doesn't go far enough. Allen Ginsberg spent time explaining prana which can loosely be defined as the modulation of the life-force associated with one's manner of breathing. At that point, Dylan's phrasing took a quantum-jump: it was no longer a prolongation of field hollers or cramming more words into the beat, etc., just as Charlie Parker's music could not be said to be some sort of souped-up version Dixieland. In each case, they had pushed the envelope in new territory: something which had never been heard before. As for being condescending, I wasn't. But so as not to disappoint you, let me add that I'm not surprised that you think I was.
telling people they "don't get it" when in fact they do is condescending where I come from...as for Ginsberg and the 'life force' I'll take that on the surface....the finer you want to split it will assure your outcome....yes Dylan did what nobody may have 'exactly done' that we know of, at that point....nevertheless I don't consider Bob a genius and I'll wager he'd simply blow you off if you tried...
| 740 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:51:48pm |
re: #729 reine.de.tout
I wish I could convince the Roi to do that.
Every year, an entire day:mumble mumble mumble and this adds up to mumble mumble mumble BABY WHERE'S A PENCIL? mumble mumble mumble CAN YOU GET ME A PIECE OF PAPER? mumble mumble mumble um yeah ok mumble mumble mumble CAN YOU FIX ME A SANDWICH? mutter mutter mumble ...
I itemize every year. Might not be worth it if I didn't have mortgages which are the bulk of my deductions.
| 741 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:51:51pm |
re: #734 freetoken
Wonder what's going to be the number one gift for Mothers' Day from their spouses?
| 742 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:52:11pm |
re: #731 JasonA
Imagine if there was a rumor that Michael Jackson had been sighted...
I think there's a federal law against that.
| 743 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:52:29pm |
| 744 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:52:43pm |
| 745 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:52:49pm |
re: #717 wozzablog
ok........ thats just a repeat of what i said above - a comment that the site told me it hadn't posted........... odd.
meh.
| 746 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:52:56pm |
re: #738 brookly red
that has 12 million mgs of salt...
heh. in other words, soon to be illegal in NYC/
| 747 |
Varek Raith Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:53:02pm |
| 749 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:53:46pm |
re: #666 brookly red
how can tea parties be dead when the left needs an enemy?
I don't think it's the left that needs an enemy right now.
| 750 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:53:56pm |
| 751 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:54:20pm |
re: #740 CyanSnowHawk
I itemize every year. Might not be worth it if I didn't have mortgages which are the bulk of my deductions.
We have no mortgage. I keep trying to convince him we ought to get a mortgage (new house), but no luck thus far.
*sigh*
| 752 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:54:20pm |
| 753 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:54:29pm |
re: #734 freetoken
PSAS is nothing to sneeze at. Really.
| 754 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:54:31pm |
re: #746 Aceofwhat?
heh. in other words, soon to be illegal in NYC/
dude you can't even bring that over the state line...
| 755 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:55:01pm |
re: #668 brookly red
so if they become true you will oppose them?
For the record, I am flatly against Obama having old people shot if they fail to run a fifteen-minute mile.
| 757 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:55:31pm |
re: #749 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think it's the left that needs an enemy right now.
as you like it.
| 758 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:55:44pm |
re: #754 brookly red
dude you can't even bring that over the state line...
heh...black market salt dealers....merchants of death
| 760 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:55:58pm |
re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist
For the record, I am flatly against Obama having old people shot if they fail to run a fifteen-minute mile.
Volcker said that was an attractive option? Dude needs to retire/
| 761 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:57:35pm |
re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist
For the record, I am flatly against Obama having old people shot if they fail to run a fifteen-minute mile.
you know that scooter scam really disturbs me...
and speaking of scams I need to get fed so bbiab.
| 762 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:58:08pm |
re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist
For the record, I am flatly against Obama having old people shot if they fail to run a fifteen-minute mile.
What if they fail to run a sixteen minute mile are you opposed to that?
The people have a right to know!
| 763 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:58:14pm |
Cato & others,
You would enjoy this book. It has a story in it about the author's "Spellcheck gene". Her father was an editor for one of the NY newspapers.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
| 764 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:58:52pm |
re: #757 brookly red
The left does not need an enemy outside of it's own few senators who sold out on Healthcare to their campaign contributers.
They don't need another enemy - but the teabaggers seem to have made their way in to the consciousness of the public, and by god if there is no sane right to shout the fucktards down it has to be the people trying to act like grown ups and govern the damn place who need to do it.
Selling easy answers sounds nice - cut, cut, cut - but it has to be pointed out that governing ain't that fucking simple.
| 765 |
robdouth Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:58:53pm |
re: #3 ShaunP
What nations were destroyed by sodomy?
I can't remember the name, but I think it was a nation of tight-asses.
| 766 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:59:08pm |
re: #762 jamesfirecat
What if they fail to run a sixteen minute mile are you opposed to that?
The people have a right to know!
We're only asking questions...
| 767 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:59:46pm |
re: #675 brookly red
so you will oppose them?
Will you oppose Santa's secret army of communist elves?
| 768 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:00:15pm |
re: #753 CyanSnowHawk
Heh... I just thought it a good example of the power of the internet - everything and anything is online 24/7. 30 years ago, something like PSAS would only be a topic one might encounter if one visited a medical library. Today - it makes the headlines on the internet.
| 769 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:00:57pm |
re: #767 Fozzie Bear
Will you oppose Santa's secret army of communist elves?
Proof that AGW is a commie hoax...they're just trying to save their sekrit lair//
| 770 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:02:34pm |
re: #732 Varek Raith
What's his angle? Just weird signs?
He showed up about ten years ago, maybe a little longer, mostly in downtown San Francisco. He walks the street wearing a badly fitting business suit, with an elaborate and constantly evolving sign, talking about stuff like 'nine galaxies imperiled to a zygnatronic universe', and calling for the impeachment of various past presidents.
He's a minor celebrity in the City, and attends any major event or rally. People dress up like him for Halloween.
| 771 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:03:11pm |
re: #770 SanFranciscoZionist
He showed up about ten years ago, maybe a little longer, mostly in downtown San Francisco. He walks the street wearing a badly fitting business suit, with an elaborate and constantly evolving sign, talking about stuff like 'nine galaxies imperiled to a zygnatronic universe', and calling for the impeachment of various past presidents.
He's a minor celebrity in the City, and attends any major event or rally. People dress up like him for Halloween.
Is he related to the TimeCube guy?
| 772 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:04:03pm |
re: #739 albusteve
telling people they "don't get it" when in fact they do is condescending where I come from...as for Ginsberg and the 'life force' I'll take that on the surface...the finer you want to split it will assure your outcome...yes Dylan did what nobody may have 'exactly done' that we know of, at that point...nevertheless I don't consider Bob a genius and I'll wager he'd simply blow you off if you tried...
I consider you a genius, amigo (with an I.Q. of 165 you'd have to be an idiot to contradict me). As for Zimmerman, I never intimated he was in the same league as you. Just that he managed to do something no one had ever done before - at least on vinyl, and outside of a lunatic asylum. I guess he was just lucky - and I'll bet he'd be the first one to admit it.
As for New Mexico, it does bad things to white people's minds. They start getting all sensitive and end up paranoid. I guess it comes with the territory - and all those energy vortexes lookin' for a new fool hangin' around the whirlpool.
But I like you and you know it. Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.
| 773 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:04:05pm |
re: #770 SanFranciscoZionist
This is one of many reasons I love SF. They keep their crazies right out of the open, and love them like pets.
| 774 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:04:15pm |
re: #770 SanFranciscoZionist
He showed up about ten years ago, maybe a little longer, mostly in downtown San Francisco. He walks the street wearing a badly fitting business suit, with an elaborate and constantly evolving sign, talking about stuff like 'nine galaxies imperiled to a zygnatronic universe', and calling for the impeachment of various past presidents.
He's a minor celebrity in the City, and attends any major event or rally. People dress up like him for Halloween.
Do you remember Sister Boom Boom?
| 775 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:04:33pm |
Some good news of course this just means Obama is telling Hospitals what to do now that his takeover of healthcare is complete.
| 776 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:05:09pm |
re: #724 Cato the Elder
A rumor that Elvis had been sighted outside the White House three years ago would have produced more attendees in half an hour than this Tea Party bullshit did all day.
Elvis is Dead
| 777 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:05:09pm |
| 778 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:05:51pm |
| 779 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:06:13pm |
re: #775 Dreggas
I think you forgot to put a "/" at the end of your post. Or you have lost it. Not sure which.
| 780 |
Mich-again Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:06:19pm |
The whole reference to "Tea Parties" is a joke. The only reason they can claim to have "taxation without representation" is because they were too unmotivated to get involved with last national elections. The patriots from 250 years ago would scoff at how these fat and lazy Americans sat back and did nothing before the elections but then came out after the fact to bitch about who did get elected.
| 781 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:06:23pm |
re: #775 Dreggas
Some good news of course this just means Obama is telling Hospitals what to do now that his takeover of healthcare is complete.
Won't somebody think of the children? I mean that literally, if a same sex couple has adopted a kid are they allowed in?
| 782 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:06:41pm |
re: #777 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know. Who is the TimeCube guy?
I'd rather not link it. Just google timecube. It'll be the first link. Try not to lose your mind.
| 783 |
Olsonist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:06:48pm |
| 784 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:07:10pm |
re: #781 jamesfirecat
BUT WHAT IF TEH GHEY INFECTS MY GRANDMA WHILE SHE'S THERE GETTING DIALYSIS!??!?!? WHAT THEN!??!?!?!?
| 785 |
simoom Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:07:13pm |
More Tea Party signs,
Birther:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
435 villages in America are missing their idiots... and one in Kenya
Paulians:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
End the facist Federal Reserve Banks
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Abolish the FED, America's covert taxman
Tar and Feathers:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Keep it up Jokers. Obamacare doesn't cover Tar and Feathers.
[Link: tweetphoto.com...]
It's time to get out the tar and feathers.
///ACORN infiltrator unmasked!:
Image: 2rrt2fd.jpg
Also:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Christian children need Christian education
www.exodusmandate.com
[Link: twitpic.com...]
The USS Obama. America's newest destroyer.
| 787 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:07:17pm |
re: #780 Mich-again
The whole reference to "Tea Parties" is a joke. The only reason they can claim to have "taxation without representation" is because they were too unmotivated to get involved with last national elections. The patriots from 250 years ago would scoff at how these fat and lazy Americans sat back and did nothing before the elections but then came out after the fact to bitch about who did get elected.
Don't forget the part where they protest from lawn chairs, because apparently standing up is too much work!
Okay that's a low blow, but it's suppose to be liberals who've got no work ethic isn't it?
| 788 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:07:19pm |
re: #779 Fozzie Bear
yeah i forgot the "/" figured that one was obvious enough.
| 789 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:07:31pm |
re: #771 JasonA
Is he related to the TimeCube guy?
Perhaps he is the "Time Cube Guy" but just in a future or past occurrence of the four dimensional cubic time flow...
| 791 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:08:45pm |
re: #789 ausador
Perhaps he is the "Time Cube Guy" but just in a future or past occurrence of the four dimensional cubic time flow...
Gah! I am SO stuck in this limited 3 dimensional space!
| 792 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:09:30pm |
re: #782 JasonA
I'd rather not link it. Just google timecube. It'll be the first link. Try not to lose your mind.
My. That guy makes Frank look rather sensible by contrast.
| 793 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:09:50pm |
re: #709 bratwurst
Unreservedly. I will also oppose the actual boogeyman, as well as Freddy Kruger, Jason, Pinhead, and Chucky the demon doll should they show up.
DON'T CRY, IT'S A WASTE OF GOOD SUFFERING
| 794 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:10:16pm |
re: #789 ausador
Perhaps he is the "Time Cube Guy" but just in a future or past occurrence of the four dimensional cubic time flow...
Gene Ray! Ever heard him speak? He sounds like Yosemite Sam on acid.
| 795 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:11:12pm |
re: #784 Fozzie Bear
BUT WHAT IF TEH GHEY INFECTS MY GRANDMA WHILE SHE'S THERE GETTING DIALYSIS!??!?!? WHAT THEN!??!?!?!?
So much the better. Elderly ladies outnumber elderly men by a considerable margin. Grandmas getting teh ghey would greatly increase the odds of their getting a date.
| 796 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:12:35pm |
re: #777 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know. Who is the TimeCube guy?
he's a luminary among kooks of the Early Internet.
When the Sun shines upon Earth, 2 - major Time points are created on opposite sides of Earth - known as Midday and Midnight. Where the 2 major Time forces join, synergy creates 2 new minor Time points we recognize as Sunup and Sundown.The 4-equidistant Time points can be considered as Time Square imprinted upon the circle of Earth. In a single rotation of the Earth sphere, each Time corner point rotates through the other 3-corner Time points, thus creating 16 corners, 96 hours and 4-simultaneous 24 hour Days within a single rotation of Earth - equated to a Higher Order of Life Time Cube.
YEAH! STEP OFF HATERS, I ROLL WITH THE CUBE, CHECKING THE FOOLS WHO MISJUDGED
| 797 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:15:19pm |
This one's pretty questionable: I have a dream, we have a nightmare
| 798 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:15:29pm |
re: #785 simoom
The "exodusmandate.com" website is just another outgrowth of the Schlafly-led coalition.
Here's their video:
Essentially: Public schools = marxism.
| 799 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:15:41pm |
re: #772 ryannon
I consider you a genius, amigo (with an I.Q. of 165 you'd have to be an idiot to contradict me). As for Zimmerman, I never intimated he was in the same league as you. Just that he managed to do something no one had ever done before - at least on vinyl, and outside of a lunatic asylum. I guess he was just lucky - and I'll bet he'd be the first one to admit it.
As for New Mexico, it does bad things to white people's minds. They start getting all sensitive and end up paranoid. I guess it comes with the territory - and all those energy vortexes lookin' for a new fool hangin' around the whirlpool.
But I like you and you know it. Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.
obviously you have little history yourself with NM to say such a thing...you can easily learn the Vortex Dodge...at any rate, the IQ 167 is an old joke around here as you know...truthfully, but only because I like you, my IQ is merely 166....and nothing, or nobody here makes me uncomfortable no matter how much you wish it to be true...and still, Dylan is not a genius
| 800 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:17:17pm |
re: #778 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course!
Awesome! It seems to me the Sister ran for Mayor in my Hometown Yountville in the 80's..The Veterans home of California is there..A small little town in Napa Valley when as a child you held the door open for a 90 year old true American hero as he barely walked inside. When we were of age we hung out at the pub at the local pub and listened to more war stories than you could ever believe....
The Veterans Home in Yountville is an American treasure
| 801 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:17:25pm |
re: #774 HoosierHoops
Do you remember Sister Boom Boom?
What was the name of the guy with the magic box he'd climb into?
He was fun, too!
| 802 |
Mich-again Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:17:45pm |
re: #787 jamesfirecat
Don't forget the part where they protest from lawn chairs, because apparently standing up is too much work!
I think the whole silly movement is completely discredited by the fact that they welcome in the raving nutjob conspiracy theorists and racists.
| 803 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:18:39pm |
re: #798 freetoken
I find comparing public schools to Dunkirk offensive.
| 804 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:19:39pm |
re: #798 freetoken
The "exodusmandate.com" website is just another outgrowth of the Schlafly-led coalition.
Here's their video:
[Video]Essentially: Public schools = marxism.
These guys are so nuts, I love it
| 805 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:19:44pm |
| 806 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:20:55pm |
re: #802 Mich-again
I think the whole silly movement is completely discredited by the fact that they welcome in the raving nutjob conspiracy theorists and racists.
yes, a discredited, nutball bunch of whackos are emerging as a major political influence, where raving racists and full auto freaks may win the day sometime soon...chew on that
| 807 |
Olsonist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:21:05pm |
re: #778 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course!
If I recall Sister Boom Boom correctly (s)he worked at the JCC gym when I used to play basketball there. Once Quentin Kopp (yes, folks that's a real name) was dropping by campaigning. QK said Hi I'm Quentin Kopp. SBB said Hi I'm Sister Boom Boom. QK took a few seconds to take that in and flew into a bit of a rage.
| 808 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:21:26pm |
re: #806 albusteve
yes, a discredited, nutball bunch of whackos are emerging as a major political influence, where raving racists and full auto freaks may win the day sometime soon...chew on that
Tastes terrible!
| 809 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:21:30pm |
re: #803 JasonA
As would anyone with a shred of sense about them.
But remember, we're talking about the crowd that in one breath utters the phrase "muslim marxist" and believes that to be an actual, existing worldview.
And yes, they look upon Darwin as the beginning of the assault upon their children.
| 810 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:21:35pm |
| 811 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:21:45pm |
re: #807 Olsonist
If I recall Sister Boom Boom correctly (s)he worked at the JCC gym when I used to play basketball there. Once Quentin Kopp (yes, folks that's a real name) was dropping by campaigning. QK said Hi I'm Quentin Kopp. SBB said Hi I'm Sister Boom Boom. QK took a few seconds to take that in and flew into a bit of a rage.
Kopp had no sense of humor.
| 812 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:22:26pm |
re: #809 freetoken
As would anyone with a shred of sense about them.
But remember, we're talking about the crowd that in one breath utters the phrase "muslim marxist" and believes that to be an actual, existing worldview.
And yes, they look upon Darwin as the beginning of the assault upon their children.
The problem really started when the liberal bastards got rid of the four humours.
| 813 |
Mich-again Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:22:29pm |
If this is the modern day GOP, count me out. And I have pulled a straight ticket GOP lever every election since I could first vote in 1982. Its to the point now I'm actually a bit embarrassed by that. Charles says the Republican party is a train gone off the rails, but I think its more like a old bus with no brakes speeding down a winding mountain road. It aint gonna end well.
| 814 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:23:16pm |
| 816 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:24:14pm |
re: #813 Mich-again
If this is the modern day GOP, count me out. And I have pulled a straight ticket GOP lever every election since I could first vote in 1982. Its to the point now I'm actually a bit embarrassed by that. Charles says the Republican party is a train gone off the rails, but I think its more like a old bus with no brakes speeding down a winding mountain road. It aint gonna end well.
It'll come around, but this nuttiness needs to be starved of oxygen for a while first.
| 817 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:24:31pm |
| 818 |
Mich-again Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:24:48pm |
re: #806 albusteve
yes, a discredited, nutball bunch of whackos are emerging as a major political influence, where raving racists and full auto freaks may win the day sometime soon...chew on that
Is there a plan to someday try to regain some credibility and kick out the nutjobs? The camel is completely in the tent by now. Good luck getting rid of it.
| 819 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:24:55pm |
re: #807 Olsonist
If I recall Sister Boom Boom correctly (s)he worked at the JCC gym when I used to play basketball there. Once Quentin Kopp (yes, folks that's a real name) was dropping by campaigning. QK said Hi I'm Quentin Kopp. SBB said Hi I'm Sister Boom Boom. QK took a few seconds to take that in and flew into a bit of a rage.
Interesting.. I recall Quentin.. What City in the Bay Area did you meet him?
| 820 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:26:38pm |
re: #796 WindUpBird
YEAH! STEP OFF HATERS, I ROLL WITH THE CUBE, CHECKING THE FOOLS WHO MISJUDGED
I... 'appreciate' Time Cube Guy, but his madness cannot approach the sheer poetry of Francis E. Dec.
Hint: As you read this, imagine it in Glen Beck's voice. Surprisingly easy!
Gangster Computer God Worldwide Secret Containment Policy made possible solely by Worldwide Computer God Frankenstein
Controls. Especially lifelong constant-threshold Brainwash Radio. Quiet and motionless, I can slightly hear it. Repeatedly this has saved my life on the streets.Four billion wordwide population - all living - have a Computer God Containment Policy Brain Bank Brain, a real brain, in the Brain Bank Cities on the far side of the moon we never see. Primarily based on your lifelong Frankenstein Radio Controls, especially your Eyesight TV sight-and-sound recorded by your brain, your moon-brain of the Computer God activates your Frankenstein threshold Brainwash Radio - lifelong inculcating conformist propaganda. Even frightening you and mixing you up and the usual "Don't worry about it" for your setbacks, mistakes - even when you receive deadly injuries!
THIS is the Worldwide Computer God Secret Containment Policy!
Had he lived to the present day, he would have probably physically fused with the Internet and Become.
If that sort of thing amuses you, the complete rantings of Mr. Dec are collected here.
| 822 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:27:10pm |
re: #813 Mich-again
If this is the modern day GOP, count me out. And I have pulled a straight ticket GOP lever every election since I could first vote in 1982. Its to the point now I'm actually a bit embarrassed by that. Charles says the Republican party is a train gone off the rails, but I think its more like a old bus with no brakes speeding down a winding mountain road. It aint gonna end well.
as much as I'd like to hope that parties are necessarily defunct...the exact opposite is unfolding...we will know more after this next cycle, but I suspect LGF is gonna be at the forefront of white hot debate...extreme partisanship is a knife in the throat of democracy and we have had only a little taste so far....buckle up
| 823 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:27:30pm |
re: #818 Mich-again
Is there a plan to someday try to regain some credibility and kick out the nutjobs? The camel is completely in the tent by now. Good luck getting rid of it.
I think it's pretty much the camel's tent now. It might be too late for the GOP to be fixed from within.
| 824 |
Mich-again Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:29:21pm |
| 825 |
Olsonist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:29:36pm |
re: #819 HoosierHoops
I used to play basketball at the JCC on California when I was living in Pac Heights. I never met Kopp but I knew who he was from the papers. Yes, he had no sense of humor but he wasn't the worst politician out there. I just look up his wiki to refresh my mind and he was a BART to the airport advocate, something I rather like. Tedious and tendentious but good governing is often that. He ended his career as a judge.
| 826 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:29:42pm |
re: #820 negativ
I am SO checking out that site. COMPUTER GOD!!!111
Speaking of Computer God
It's been like 18 years and that riff still kicks my ass :D Most underrated Sabbath record ever
| 827 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:29:56pm |
re: #823 Fozzie Bear
I think it's pretty much the camel's tent now. It might be too late for the GOP to be fixed from within.
You're right. Probably within 5 years, the Democrats will hold 95% of the seats in both the senate and the house, and the White House.
| 828 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:30:33pm |
re: #811 SanFranciscoZionist
Kopp had no sense of humor.
Quinten Kopp - I recognize that name from listening in the mid 80s to Jello Biafra talk about running for mayor of San Fran. Also first heard the story of Dan White and the Twinkie Defense from JB.
Never mind. Carry on.
| 829 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:32:06pm |
re: #827 cliffster
You're right. Probably within 5 years, the Democrats will hold 95% of the seats in both the senate and the house, and the White House.
No no no. Sanity will prevail. They person who stands up to it will be the winner. Remember the independents.
| 830 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:32:45pm |
Comedy gold....
Skip to about 2:00. Dimwit Victoria Jackson explains communism to Russian TV.
Lol!
| 831 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:33:34pm |
re: #190 Gordon marock
OK, let me see: racsim bad (I agree); kooky conspiracies bad (I agree); there are some really nutty tea partiers (I agree). But Obama is still a horrible President.
Only 500 posts to go from here; but I have to comment that the only thing that comes to mind in that comment is either the "Never Was a Maverick" president, or statistically quite possible "The Teabagger" president.
| 832 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:33:34pm |
re: #821 cliffster
Heh.
I think the counterprotesters did a great job.
| 833 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:35:19pm |
re: #832 Killgore Trout
Heh.
I think the counterprotesters did a great job.
It was nice to see. Obviously I disagree with them, but everyone seemed to get along quite well, it seems from the lack of news.
| 834 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:35:25pm |
re: #818 Mich-again
Is there a plan to someday try to regain some credibility and kick out the nutjobs? The camel is completely in the tent by now. Good luck getting rid of it.
of course not....votes equals power and there will always be some legit aspect to it anyway....I favor smaller govt and fewer taxes, a thorough cleaning up of govt waste and corruption too...but I'm not a republican and I feel for conservative GOPs....I don't give a crap about parties, I care about results in a positive direction and so do many TPs....but the GOP is no doubt contaminated because that poison has a huge vote value....I can foresee some quasi theocracy yet in my lifetime...extremist 'conservatives' with broad smiles and good hair...."we are here to save you brother and preserve the great Christian Domain that is America!"
| 835 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:36:44pm |
| 836 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:37:11pm |
Too... much... funny...
"The controversial crucifix has caused a deep divide among members of St. Charles Borromeo Catholic Church, where it hangs above the main altar. 'There are a couple people who have left the parish,' said the Rev. Philip Seeton, the church’s pastor. 'There are people in the parish who don’t like it and have stayed.' Critics of the crucifix take issue with what appears to be a large penis covering Jesus’ abdominal area. Seeton said the portion of the crucifix in question is meant to be Jesus’ abdomen 'showing distension' — not a penis. Seeton said, 'I’ve had people who have vocally said that that’s what they see there. I’ve had people who have been just as vocal who said that’s not what they’re seeing there.' Janet Jaime, a local iconography artist who designed the crucifix, had no comment."
[Link: towleroad.typepad.com...]
| 837 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:38:05pm |
re: #572 HoosierHoops
Hi Ludwig! Hope today finds you well.. Have you had a chance to read Dr. Pamela Gay's series on Gravity this week at her web site?
I saw her the other night on the Science channel..She is great..I don't think she is part of the Nuker group but she should be..
Sorry I got called away Hoops! I hope that the evening finds you well.
I haven't seen her series on gravity.
If you are up for a mind bending challenge though, I humbly recommend reading Misner Thorne and Wheeler's Gravitation. Also known as the big black book.
It is to GR what Jackson is to E&M or Goldstien is to Classical Mechanics - though it is much more engagingly written.
| 838 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:38:16pm |
OT
5.0 earth quake in northern Utah at the Idaho border.
And now back to your regularly scheduled programing.
| 839 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:39:03pm |
re: #836 JasonA
Too... much... funny...
[Link: towleroad.typepad.com...]
Someone's watched "The Little Mermaid" too many times.
| 840 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:39:34pm |
re: #836 JasonA
Too... much... funny...
[Link: towleroad.typepad.com...]
I'm gonna have to go with Penis here, doubly so given the fact that the portion of his body that is covered by that cloth seems to be flat and smooth as a ken doll....
| 841 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:40:05pm |
re: #799 albusteve
obviously you have little history yourself with NM to say such a thing...you can easily learn the Vortex Dodge...at any rate, the IQ 167 is an old joke around here as you know...truthfully, but only because I like you, my IQ is merely 166...and nothing, or nobody here makes me uncomfortable no matter how much you wish it to be true...and still, Dylan is not a genius
Since we both like each other, take a tip from a friend: you need to shift out of second gear before you blow your motor: I never said he was a genius. Like all of us, a sometime state of grace perhaps, but not a genius.
Why don't you come to Paris for a while? The music is shitty, the people are shitty and even the food is getting shitty. We could sit around feeling shitty and vastly superior to it all - which we indeed are.
| 842 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:40:15pm |
re: #838 reloadingisnotahobby
OT
5.0 earth quake in northern Utah at the Idaho border.
And now back to your regularly scheduled programing.
whoa...NM is supposed to be stable ground after milleniums of serious plate activity...make you wonder...every time a plate moves, the others respond
| 843 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:40:33pm |
re: #838 reloadingisnotahobby
SUPERVOLCANO!!
There will not be any more regularly scheduled programs...
| 844 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:40:55pm |
Wingnuts are seething over this one....
Obama makes light of anti-tax protests
President Barack Obama said Thursday he's amused by the anti-tax tea party protests that have been taking place around Tax Day.
Obama told a fundraiser in Miami that he's cut taxes, contrary to the claims of protesters.
"You would think they'd be saying thank you," he said.
At that, many in the crowd at the Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts stood and yelled, "Thank you!"
| 845 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:41:05pm |
re: #841 ryannon
Since we both like each other, take a tip from a friend: you need to shift out of second gear before you blow your motor: I never said he was a genius. Like all of us, a sometime state of grace perhaps, but not a genius.
Why don't you come to Paris for a while? The music is shitty, the people are shitty and even the food is getting shitty. We could sit around feeling shitty and vastly superior to it all - which we indeed are.
The cars are still cool, at least! Weirdass Citroens FTW
| 846 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:41:24pm |
re: #843 freetoken
SUPERVOLCANO!!
There will not be any more regularly scheduled programs...
THAT"S NOT FUNNY!!!
Ok....it's funny.....
| 847 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:42:14pm |
re: #844 Killgore Trout
The Nuts are angry because President Obama refuses to be a door-mat for their dirty feet.
| 848 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:42:49pm |
re: #844 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are seething over this one...
Obama makes light of anti-tax protests
To me that barely even qualifies as making light.
To me making light would be saying "So a couple dozen yahoos who couldn't even bother to stand up the entire time decided to unfold their lawn chairs in front of the White House and plant signs in the ground who cares?"
| 849 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:43:48pm |
re: #846 reloadingisnotahobby
You do realize that the hot spot that creates the "supervolcano" under Yellowstone used to be, when NA was a bit more east, under the area around N. Utah and S. Idaho?
| 850 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:22pm |
re: #837 LudwigVanQuixote
Sorry I got called away Hoops! I hope that the evening finds you well.
I haven't seen her series on gravity.
If you are up for a mind bending challenge though, I humbly recommend reading Misner Thorne and Wheeler's Gravitation. Also known as the big black book.
It is to GR what Jackson is to E&M or Goldstien is to Classical Mechanics - though it is much more engagingly written.
I've plugged it before, but for someone like me who took calculus many many years ago, or someone who never did, try :
| 851 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:57pm |
re: #843 freetoken
When the BIG one hits ...do realize that all emergency info is on
the AM dial?
WTF??? Worlds coming to an end and we can't have STEREO???
Who do I call..who do I write!
| 852 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:03pm |
re: #847 freetoken
The Nuts are angry because President Obama refuses to be a door-mat for their dirty feet.
It's painful for the wingnuts because many of the tax breaks were part of the stimulus which they opposed. They are stuck protesting for lower taxes while opposing the tax breaks. The cognitive dissonance is overwhelming.
| 853 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:06pm |
re: #837 LudwigVanQuixote
This will crack you up bro...
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]
| 855 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:47pm |
re: #848 jamesfirecat
Agreed. The headline was designed to drive wingnut traffic.
| 856 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:54pm |
re: #827 cliffster
You're right. Probably within 5 years, the Democrats will hold 95% of the seats in both the senate and the house, and the White House.
I don't see that happening. The GOP will be replaced by a more centrist party before that happens. I say this because there are just too many people who hate the Democratic party no matter what they do.
I do see the democrats doing better in upcoming elections than most pundits predict, however, as we wait for a viable (rational) conservative alternative to arise.
| 857 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:54pm |
re: #841 ryannon
Since we both like each other, take a tip from a friend: you need to shift out of second gear before you blow your motor: I never said he was a genius. Like all of us, a sometime state of grace perhaps, but not a genius.
Why don't you come to Paris for a while? The music is shitty, the people are shitty and even the food is getting shitty. We could sit around feeling shitty and vastly superior to it all - which we indeed are.
ha!....state of grace!....perfect
if I thought I could get a decent burrito over there, I'd consider it...I've learned my Anti Vortex Zen from the masters
(somewhere in my murky past, I probably called Dylan a genius, even as I know that you didn't here...and there is something obscene about going from Waits to Dylan in that discussion....I had no intention)
| 858 |
Olsonist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:46:13pm |
re: #850 Naso Tang
I'm reading The Theory Of Almost Everything right now. It's a readable introduction to the Standard Model. Quite good.
| 859 |
jvic Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:46:53pm |
OT: A couple of days ago, Decatur Deb noted that Gov Haley Barbour proclaimed Confederate History Month in MS--without even mentioning slavery.
Is Barbour racist or unrealistically colorblind? Here's an(other) indication that he's an outright racist. (HT: TigerHawk.)
| 860 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:49:24pm |
re: #843 freetoken
SUPERVOLCANO!!
There will not be any more regularly scheduled programs...
the Valles Caldera just north of me in the Jemez Mountains is a super....15 miles across...should I be worried?...I don't want to miss the upcoming football season
| 861 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:49:49pm |
re: #859 jvic
OT: A couple of days ago, Decatur Deb noted that Gov Haley Barbour proclaimed Confederate History Month in MS--without even mentioning slavery.
Is Barbour racist or unrealistically colorblind? Here's an(other) indication that he's an outright racist. (HT: TigerHawk.)
I read something in Newsweek suggesting this guy might be who the GOP pics to run for Pres in 2012 a while back. Evidently because nothing sums up the difference between the two parties like having the GOP run a fat old white guy against a democratic DILF (not that I'd like to but I've heard my fellow female democrats make such statements)
| 862 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:50:03pm |
naked 23-month-old boy running across the room. Looks like bath time is over. Let's get a diaper on you, son.
| 863 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:51:28pm |
re: #860 albusteve
Depends...Who ya routing for??
| 864 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:51:47pm |
re: #827 cliffster
You're right. Probably within 5 years, the Democrats will hold 95% of the seats in both the senate and the house, and the White House.
No F-ing way, how do you figure that? Republicans will pick up seats in 2010, perhaps, maybe even enough to take back the House, not enough to dominate the Senate but quite enough to cut the democrat majority down to only a few seats.
All of the current polling (and I'm not talking the now totally discredited Rasmussen) shows the Republicans well ahead in very many of the house races. After November things will be much closer in Washington, probably spelling complete gridlock on getting anything the least controversial passed unfortunately.
Obama has until the new House and Senate are seated in January to get anything he needs passed, after that his chances of getting anything major thru Congress will go down astronomically.
| 865 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:52:13pm |
re: #845 WindUpBird
The cars are still cool, at least! Weirdass Citroens FTW
GTFOH!....there is nothing cool about Fwench cars....nice try at neighborly diplomacy...cars are an American thing....we are the Car Superpower
| 866 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:52:37pm |
re: #845 WindUpBird
The cars are still cool, at least! Weirdass Citroens FTW
If you're thinking of the old oil-suspension DS's, they're long gone. Everything looks like an imitation of everyone else's imitation of Japanese cars - the smallest of which are actually pretty cool, unlike the Smarts.
| 867 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:53:01pm |
re: #849 freetoken
You do realize that the hot spot that creates the "supervolcano" under Yellowstone used to be, when NA was a bit more east, under the area around N. Utah and S. Idaho?
ah, yes...holy crapolla
| 868 |
captdiggs Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:53:05pm |
The only problem now is that you can't tell who is really part of the tea party, and who are the plants.
"Jason Levin is the Oregon middle school teacher who founded the website [Link: www.crashtheteaparty.org....] The website is currently displaying only a blank screen Levin's website has called all Tea Partiers "racists, homophobes, and morons." The Crashers have been instructed to "infiltrate" Tea Party groups and "act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which will exaggerate their least appealing qualities...to disrupt and derail their plans." Levin even said in one interview that his followers might be wearing Nazi uniforms at the Tea Party rallies."
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
| 869 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:54:23pm |
re: #867 albusteve
Freetoken's being a buzz killer dude!
LOL
| 870 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:54:40pm |
re: #868 captdiggs
The only problem now is that you can't tell who is really part of the tea party, and who are the plants.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
Poe's Law writ large.
| 871 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:54:43pm |
re: #862 cliffster
naked 23-month-old boy running across the room. Looks like bath time is over. Let's get a diaper on you, son.
the sign says
SLOW: PRIEST CROSSING
(aisle seat, please)
| 872 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:55:10pm |
re: #863 reloadingisnotahobby
Depends...Who ya routing for??
the Cowboys and my home turf UM Wolverines....put 'em up!
| 873 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:56:53pm |
re: #869 reloadingisnotahobby
Freetoken's being a buzz killer dude!
LOL
he has his shit together, but my buzz is taking a hit, you're right
| 874 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:57:15pm |
re: #872 albusteve
Cool!!
I'll see what I can do about the quakes then!!
OK with you?
| 875 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:57:20pm |
re: #868 captdiggs
The only problem now is that you can't tell who is really part of the tea party, and who are the plants.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
well really there have always been plants on both sides & not just in this country, politics is an ugly game... but yes this turd is note worthy.
| 876 |
simoom Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:57:47pm |
re: #785 simoom
more signs:
[Link: tweetphoto.com...]
Obama Hood robs the rich and poor and gives to the lazy!
[Link: tweetphoto.com...]
My grandfather didn't sacrifice against fascism and imperialism for this nation to commit suicide under globalist socialism
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Obama
Find another country to pillage and plunder
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Tyrant
(photo of speaker pelosi)
When will this HAG leave us alone?
We have had enough.
Power-Hungry Monster.
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Commie Medicine
//Another progressive infiltrator unmasked:
[Link: tweetphoto.com...]
Bizzare anti-Maddow, Anna Marie Cox, Boxer, Pelosi, Feinstein sign with all of their names X-ed out inside a giant Venus symbol:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
| 877 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:58:56pm |
re: #868 captdiggs
The only problem now is that you can't tell who is really part of the tea party, and who are the plants.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
Marinus van de Lubbe.
| 878 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:59:10pm |
re: #860 albusteve
the Valles Caldera just north of me in the Jemez Mountains is a super...15 miles across...should I be worried?...I don't want to miss the upcoming football season
You won't feel a thing. Don't worry about it.
| 879 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:00:21pm |
Bad Indian ju-ju just north of N.M.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
And a bad omen from tonight's Midwest skies:
[Link: www.boston.com...]
| 880 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:01:03pm |
re: #874 reloadingisnotahobby
Cool!!
I'll see what I can do about the quakes then!!
OK with you?
if Romo can win a SB at home, I will have witnessed victory across three generations, if so my life will be complete....let er rip....Hail Mary!
| 881 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:01:08pm |
re: #878 Naso Tang
Ah ...Actually ...they'll feel a lot!!
Worrying about it comes natural....for a few minutes anyway!
| 882 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:01:17pm |
re: #875 brookly red
well really there have always been plants on both sides & not just in this country, politics is an ugly game... but yes this turd is note worthy.
I don't see why he's a "turd", but then you probably don't see why you're a teabagger.
| 883 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:01:45pm |
re: #879 ryannon
Bad Indian ju-ju just north of N.M.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
And a bad omen from tonight's Midwest skies:
[Link: www.boston.com...]
no a good omen... change.
| 884 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:01:58pm |
re: #871 negativ
the sign says
SLOW: PRIEST CROSSING
(aisle seat, please)
watch it, cliffster will be a fightin' man.
Why.. I.. oughtta...
| 885 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:03:01pm |
re: #881 reloadingisnotahobby
Ah ...Actually ...they'll feel a lot!!
Worrying about it comes natural...for a few minutes anyway!
Those of us further away will feel it longer.
| 886 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:03:13pm |
re: #882 Cato the Elder
I don't see why he's a "turd", but then you probably don't see why you're a teabagger.
he is a turd because he openly encourages lying...
/and you are so old you phart dust
| 887 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:03:54pm |
re: #880 albusteve
if Romo can win a SB at home, I will have witnessed victory across three generations, if so my life will be complete...let er rip...Hail Mary!
Now that they're rid of that unreliable jackass Flozell Adams, they're on their way.
| 888 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:04:40pm |
re: #878 Naso Tang
You won't feel a thing. Don't worry about it.
as I'm groovin to 'Sympathy For The Devil'....poof!
| 889 |
deadletterboy Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:04:42pm |
This will be fun:
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
The National Day of Prayer has been declared Unconstitutional. Let's see what happens yeah?
| 890 |
prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:04:52pm |
re: #704 SanFranciscoZionist
Agreed. Plus she could share some of that booze stocked on her bar.
| 891 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:06:30pm |
re: #879 ryannon
Bad Indian ju-ju just north of N.M.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
And a bad omen from tonight's Midwest skies:
[Link: www.boston.com...]
surly the End is near...I'm ready, bring it on
| 892 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:07:51pm |
re: #850 Naso Tang
I've plugged it before, but for someone like me who took calculus many many years ago, or someone who never did, try :
That is the same Susskind who will teach you quantum physics from Stanford.
I can not overstate how good these videos are. This is the real deal from a very good physicist and lecturer.
| 893 |
Ojoe Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:08:18pm |
re: #706 Gus 802
I don't get it. All this talk about government and taxes. The talk about government obstructing growth. Wherein lies the responsibility of the private sector?
What the heck are they doing to invest in the future of the American worker? For the most part it seems to me that the big money is still going into legal Wall Street ponzi schemes. If not that they busy moving their manufacturing to China where they can pay the workers 1930s wages.
It's time the private sector (and yes that includes the corporations) got off their asses and stopped blaming the government for their failure to accelerate the recovery.
It is also the fault of the government to have let the private sector get away with the harmful things you mention, like exporting jobs, and engaging in ponzi schemes.
IMHO much blame can be laid to the two party system as well; neither party will co-operate with the other for the common good, because each thinks it has a chance at total political power.
Having more, even many more parties would disabuse any party of the illusion that it has a chance at running things by itself, and would instead incline it to co-operate.
| 894 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:08:35pm |
Just got back from a Teaparty.
Got there late. They were folding up the tables.
Me. Sad.
I was itching for a racist too.
| 895 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:08:36pm |
the tears of free republic over the 1st amendment win today are delicious
| 896 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:08:42pm |
re: #853 HoosierHoops
This will crack you up bro...
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]
Excellent stuff :)
| 897 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:09:09pm |
re: #847 freetoken
The Nuts are angry because President Obama refuses to be a door-mat for their dirty feet.
re: #865 albusteve
GTFOH!...there is nothing cool about Fwench cars...nice try at neighborly diplomacy...cars are an American thing...we are the Car Superpower
You are so wrong it hurts. :D Citroens did shit nobody else did, decades before other companies started adopting the technology. Hydropnematic suspension in the 70,s self-leveling swiveling headlights.. the Cx had one of the most insane dashboards on earth.
And really, does it get any cooler looking than the DS? The car looks like a flying saucer with wheels. Image: CitroenDS_blu.jpg
Also, the Renault V6 Clio. Mid engined V6 hatch. That's some awesome insane right there: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 898 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:09:18pm |
re: #887 cliffster
Now that they're rid of that unreliable jackass Flozell Adams, they're on their way.
he's a five time Pro Bowler...no small thing...but also 37 penalties in two years, BUT....he is dangerously close to a Hall of Fame quality guy....otherwise I get your drift, and I'm good with it
| 899 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:09:33pm |
re: #894 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just got back from a Teaparty.
Got there late. They were folding up the tables.
Me. Sad.
I was itching for a racist too.
BS. you heard they were serving cake... come on admit it.
| 900 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:10:00pm |
| 901 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:10:36pm |
re: #899 brookly red
What is this fascination that everyone has with me and cake.
(there was never a cake)
| 902 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:10:55pm |
re: #882 Cato the Elder
I don't see why he's a "turd", but then you probably don't see why you're a teabagger.
PISTOLS!
| 903 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:11:02pm |
Just posted in the spinoffs..
Angry Fox News executives ordered host Sean Hannity to abandon plans to broadcast his nightly show as part of a Tea Party rally in Cincinnati on Thursday after top executives learned that he was set to headline the event, proceeds from which would benefit the local Tea Party organization. Rally organizers had listed Hannity, who is on a book tour, as the headliner of the four-hour Tax Day event at the University of Cincinnati. The rally, expected to draw as many as 13,000 people, was set feature speakers such as “Liberal Facism” author Jonah Goldberg and local Tea Party leaders.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
They're upset that the Tea Party was charging an entrance/seating fee.
LOL!
| 904 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:11:15pm |
re: #896 LudwigVanQuixote
Excellent stuff :)
I'm a huge Phil fan...Been following his site for years
| 905 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:11:20pm |
| 906 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:11:31pm |
| 907 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:11:41pm |
| 909 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:11:49pm |
| 910 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:12:04pm |
re: #900 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I "did it" in a Citroen.
With a real girl...
Righteous :D was it one of the old 2cVs?
| 911 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:13:34pm |
| 912 |
Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:13:42pm |
re: #906 Naso TangI "did it" in a Citroen.
With a real girl..
Jaguar.
A real girl jaguar? Are we back to the furries again?
| 913 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:13:49pm |
re: #850 Naso Tang
I've plugged it before, but for someone like me who took calculus many many years ago, or someone who never did, try :
Eh.. What's a little Riemannian Geometry amongst friends...
OK, I will let you in on the central thought behind GR. If you understand this, you understand General Relativity and where it came from.
An arc length is an action.
I'm actually quite serious. I am personally convinced that meditating on this is what led Einstein into the theory. Even if I am wrong about that part and he came up with it another way, this will get you there elegantly.
An arc length is an action. Minimizing action is the name of the game for classical physics and a minimized arc length is a geodesic.
| 914 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:14:01pm |
re: #876 simoom
Bizzare anti-Maddow, Anna Marie Cox, Boxer, Pelosi, Feinstein sign with all of their names X-ed out inside a giant Venus symbol:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Somebody has some issues with women.
| 915 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:14:20pm |
| 916 |
Bagua Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:14:22pm |
The misspelling are enough to make a pedant weep...
| 917 |
Virginia Plain Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:14:27pm |
Lawmakers are working on anti-brain chip bill.
The party affiliation of these Georgia lawmakers are not identified, but I think you can guess which party they belong to.
| 918 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:14:37pm |
re: #897 WindUpBird
You are so wrong it hurts. :D Citroens did shit nobody else did, decades before other companies started adopting the technology. Hydropnematic suspension in the 70,s self-leveling swiveling headlights.. the Cx had one of the most insane dashboards on earth.
And really, does it get any cooler looking than the DS? The car looks like a flying saucer with wheels. Image: CitroenDS_blu.jpg
Also, the Renault V6 Clio. Mid engined V6 hatch. That's some awesome insane right there: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
For real French cool, you can't beat the old Citroen traction avants
| 919 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:15:12pm |
re: #897 WindUpBird
WUB might live in West Hollywood?
There's at least 6 of those things that get moved around the neighborhood based on street sweeping day. Too bad the poor guy doesn't have enough garage space!
| 920 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:15:31pm |
re: #893 Ojoe
It is also the fault of the government to have let the private sector get away with the harmful things you mention, like exporting jobs, and engaging in ponzi schemes.
IMHO much blame can be laid to the two party system as well; neither party will co-operate with the other for the common good, because each thinks it has a chance at total political power.
Having more, even many more parties would disabuse any party of the illusion that it has a chance at running things by itself, and would instead incline it to co-operate.
the feds are the shepherds of the economy, that's what we pay them for...they got us into this fucking mess and now they tax the shit out of us to supposedly pull us out of it, and I don't see where the Stimulus has been effective....feed the beast...the alternative is to expect better results from govt but the electorate is busy at the moment watching Dances With the Stars...we are our own worst enemy
| 921 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:24pm |
re: #915 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It was red. Raised up when she started it.
Raised me up when she turned it off.
hydropneumatic suspension!
| 923 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:53pm |
| 924 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:17:08pm |
re: #886 brookly red
he is a turd because he openly encourages lying...
/and you are so old you phart dust
So Sarah Palin is a turd, too?
I agree.
| 925 |
Ojoe Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:17:25pm |
re: #920 albusteve
We are absolutely our own worst enemy.
And political parties per se these days are mostly the lazy person's way of voting without thinking.
Oh well.
| 926 |
compound idaho Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:17:41pm |
| 927 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:17:47pm |
Shit happens: Most of Northern Europe's airspace is locked down due to the drift of volcanic ash from Iceland.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
| 928 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:17:55pm |
re: #907 brookly red
no foils... I hate loud noises.
if the ball hits you, you won't hear it, so they say
| 929 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:18:24pm |
| 932 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:18:49pm |
re: #919 Floral Giraffe
WUB might live in West Hollywood?
There's at least 6 of those things that get moved around the neighborhood based on street sweeping day. Too bad the poor guy doesn't have enough garage space!
hahaha all of them owned by the same dude? WUB lives in Portland, Oregon, btw. Home of a million weirdo cars, because our emissions laws are less draconian. 8-)
There's a Citroen DS in my neighborhood, parked in a guy's driveway, looks pristine. Also, our local patisserie, the owner has an orange 2Cv and hosts a Citroen 2Cv club.
| 933 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:19:08pm |
re: #924 Cato the Elder
So Sarah Palin is a turd, too?
I agree.
well if I have to, 99.9% of pols are turds... but this guy isn't even a pol.
| 934 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:19:11pm |
re: #924 Cato the Elder
So Sarah Palin is a turd, too?
I agree.
Pathetic
Anti-science
Lying
Incoherent
Nut
I am starting to like right wing haiku.
| 936 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:19:51pm |
re: #913 LudwigVanQuixote
I'm going to bed and reminiscing about roomy Jaguars (Mark 10). But I will come back to this another day.
Cheers
| 937 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:20:20pm |
re: #923 albusteve
Jags?...that a Brit car...we are slamming the Fwench here
Owned by Ford, but yeah ;-)
| 938 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:20:41pm |
re: #936 Naso Tang
I'm going to bed and reminiscing about roomy Jaguars (Mark 10). But I will come back to this another day.
Cheers
Sleep well and have good dreams of happy motoring!
| 939 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:20:45pm |
re: #931 Bagua
Repent, the end is near!
The end has already happened. We're just a little slow on the uptake.
| 940 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:21:24pm |
re: #927 ryannon
Shit happens: Most of Northern Europe's airspace is locked down due to the drift of volcanic ash from Iceland.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
and now the Commie volcanoes are ramping up to mess with capitalism....we're fucked
| 941 |
brookly red Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:11pm |
re: #928 albusteve
if the ball hits you, you won't hear it, so they say
I use half jackets, not ball (well rat shot sometimes) but I will stick with the foil.
| 942 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:57pm |
re: #938 LudwigVanQuixote
Sleep well and have good dreams of happy motoring!
Hey bro..It looks like I move 4th of July...
Time waits for no man Ludwig
/I'm excited
| 943 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:23:21pm |
re: #937 WindUpBird
Owned by Ford, but yeah ;-)
I did not know that...the new XKJ does look a bit like a Mustang!...hahaha!...really I don't know
| 944 |
albusteve Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:24:54pm |
re: #939 ryannon
The end has already happened. We're just a little slow on the uptake.
actually I've considered that notion...but I'm an untrustworthy crackpot
| 945 |
Racer X Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:27:42pm |
re: #927 ryannon
Shit happens: Most of Northern Europe's airspace is locked down due to the drift of volcanic ash from Iceland.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Imagine the amount of CO2 released by that thing! Not to mention the amount of ice it is melting.
| 946 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:28:08pm |
re: #932 WindUpBird
hahaha all of them owned by the same dude? WUB lives in Portland, Oregon, btw. Home of a million weirdo cars, because our emissions laws are less draconian. 8-)
There's a Citroen DS in my neighborhood, parked in a guy's driveway, looks pristine. Also, our local patisserie, the owner has an orange 2Cv and hosts a Citroen 2Cv club.
Two things: Bugatti's were made right outside of Paris by clever little French artisans.
As as for pure-blood French elegance, I can't see many others getting close to this:
[Link: i2.photobucket.com...]
| 947 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:02pm |
Hmmm COULTER
Condescending
Offensive
Ugly
Lying
Trashy
Execrable
Reactionary
OR
Malign
Angry
Little
Kooky
I
N
help me out on that one...
| 948 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:27pm |
re: #942 HoosierHoops
Hey bro..It looks like I move 4th of July...
Time waits for no man Ludwig
/I'm excited
Congrats to you my friend! Hong Kong right?
| 949 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:28pm |
re: #932 WindUpBird
hahaha all of them owned by the same dude? WUB lives in Portland, Oregon, btw. Home of a million weirdo cars, because our emissions laws are less draconian. 8-)
There's a Citroen DS in my neighborhood, parked in a guy's driveway, looks pristine. Also, our local patisserie, the owner has an orange 2Cv and hosts a Citroen 2Cv club.
I assume they are all owned by the same guy. They've been around for YEARS. What are the odds of more than one Citroen fan buying cars & keeping them in a tiny neighborhood in LA? The neighborhood where parking is SO BAD that it was the first "permit only" parking neighborhood in LA. Can't imagine what his auto insurance premiums are, either. Highest rate zip code in LA.
| 950 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:31:02pm |
re: #945 Racer X
Imagine the amount of CO2 released by that thing! Not to mention the amount of ice it is melting.
It's still erupting.
Summer may be a nuclear winter this year.
| 951 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:32:01pm |
re: #945 Racer X
Imagine the amount of CO2 released by that thing! Not to mention the amount of ice it is melting.
Actually, that particulate matter from volcanoes produce a cooling that is followed by a warming from gas release.
Since this does add to the issue, it is hardly funny.
Imagine how if we didn't pollute the Earth, this would be less of a big deal.
| 952 |
jvic Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:32:12pm |
re: #917 Virginia Plain
Lawmakers are working on anti-brain chip bill.The party affiliation of these Georgia lawmakers are not identified, but I think you can guess which party they belong to.
But what of the people who already have been implanted without their consent and (cue ominous music) without their knowledge?
So that's how Obama got elected...
| 953 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:32:22pm |
| 954 |
Racer X Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:33:26pm |
Amazing pictures!
| 955 |
simoom Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:33:29pm |
re: #876 simoom
TP signs continued,
Ayn Rand:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Who is John Galt?
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Read Atlas Shrugged
Now in the non-fiction section
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Atlas will shrug
More:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Obama Won
America LostAmerica won't survive
4 years of Obama MadnessImpeach Obama
He's the real enemy
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Smash left-wing scum
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Regime change now
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Secede
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
We the people
not you the dictators
An even more sinister version of the Obama Joker image (t-shirt):
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Some sort of Illuminati version of the American flag:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
A huge sign featuring a bloody machete:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Cut TaxesCut Cut Cut Government
Home Rule
Stop Prostituting the People for your Debt
We Will Stop Volunteering In Mass
We are Not Your Slaves
Last Lincoln "Obama" Enslaved Us All
| 956 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:33:52pm |
re: #952 jvic
But what of the people who already have been implanted without their consent and (cue ominous music) without their knowledge?
So that's how Obama got elected...
Bwahahaahaaa!
Little do these GOPers know the full plans of Remulak.
The chips are implanted either rectally or when you visit a Zionist dentist!
They aren't anywhere near the brain!
| 957 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:33:57pm |
re: #945 Racer X
Imagine the amount of CO2 released by that thing! Not to mention the amount of ice it is melting.
Actually, as I understand it, not much in terms of CO2. It's mostly ash (particulates).
Could in fact help with global warming, especially if we could do controlled volcanic eruptions around the global. Kind of a low-level nuclear winter effect.
| 958 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:34:12pm |
| 959 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:35:07pm |
re: #948 LudwigVanQuixote
Congrats to you my friend! Hong Kong right?
Oklahoma City, for a year. THEN Singapore. His schedule got shifted.
*waves*
| 960 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:36:59pm |
re: #957 Cato the Elder
Actually, as I understand it, not much in terms of CO2. It's mostly ash (particulates).
Could in fact help with global warming, especially if we could do controlled volcanic eruptions around the global. Kind of a low-level nuclear winter effect.
The particulates will cause a slight, short term cooling effect. They wash out of the atmosphere in a matter of weeks.
As to controlled volcanic eruptions... that only works if your name is Xenu and you are trying to get rid of excess population that you shipped to Teagageek.
Otherwise in the real world, there really is no controlled way to make a volcano erupt and, in the long run you loose because you end up releasing all kinds of other things you do not want in the atmosphere.
| 961 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:37:42pm |
re: #959 Floral Giraffe
Oklahoma City, for a year. THEN Singapore. His schedule got shifted.
*waves*
Thank you for the update and correction!
Well then I wish you the best Hoops in both locals!
| 962 |
Racer X Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:38:10pm |
re: #957 Cato the Elder
Actually, as I understand it, not much in terms of CO2. It's mostly ash (particulates).
Could in fact help with global warming, especially if we could do controlled volcanic eruptions around the global. Kind of a low-level nuclear winter effect.
I'm thinking we should not fuck with mother nature too much.
| 963 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:39:00pm |
re: #961 LudwigVanQuixote
Hi, I'm Xena,
I'll be your waitress tonight.
May I get you a drink to start?
hee hee.
| 964 |
prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:39:50pm |
re: #963 Floral Giraffe
Geez, this thread is getting kooky.
| 965 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:40:01pm |
re: #962 Racer X
I'm thinking we should not fuck with mother nature too much.
Bit late for that, no?
| 966 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:40:01pm |
re: #954 Racer X
AGW is for pansies, saith Gaia.
/
| 967 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:40:04pm |
re: #963 Floral Giraffe
Hi, I'm Xena,
I'll be your waitress tonight.
May I get you a drink to start?hee hee.
MMM... Lucy.
| 968 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:41:16pm |
re: #966 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
AGW is for pansies, saith Gaia.
/
More like, You want some of me boy? Saith Gaia.
Honestly, mother nature is one lady you do not want pissed at you.
| 969 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:41:26pm |
re: #964 prairiefire
Geez, this thread is getting kooky.
Who you calling a kook?
//
( I never get the good costumes, dangit!)
| 970 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:42:23pm |
re: #954 Racer X
Amazing pictures!
I'd downding you for the lack of hot Icelandic babes, but I know where to find them on my own...
| 971 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:42:47pm |
| 972 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:42:57pm |
re: #960 LudwigVanQuixote
As to controlled volcanic eruptions... that only works if your name is Xenu and you are trying to get rid of excess population that you shipped to Teagageek.
Dinged for that sentence alone.
| 973 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:43:26pm |
re: #957 Cato the Elder
Actually, as I understand it, not much in terms of CO2. It's mostly ash (particulates).
Could in fact help with global warming, especially if we could do controlled volcanic eruptions around the global. Kind of a low-level nuclear winter effect.
Vulcanism is a major source of atmospheric CO2. We managed to show that we could put up more than the volcanoes. But, there is usually quite a lot of CO2 with an eruption.
| 974 |
Bagua Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:43:42pm |
| 975 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:44:16pm |
re: #973 LudwigVanQuixote
Vulcanism is a major source of atmospheric CO2. We managed to show that we could put up more than the volcanoes. But, there is usually quite a lot of CO2 with an eruption.
And here I thought it was a source of flat unemotional affect.
| 976 |
Racer X Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:44:41pm |
re: #970 Cato the Elder
I'd downding you for the lack of hot Icelandic babes, but I know where to find them on my own...
Link?
| 977 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:45:12pm |
re: #975 Cato the Elder
And here I thought it was a source of flat unemotional affect.
I am slow tonight. I didn't get that :(
| 978 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:46:39pm |
| 979 |
deadletterboy Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:47:29pm |
Can I just say how hilariously awful/fear-mongering the potential covers for Glenn Beck's new novel are?
You can even vote for them. They're truly something else.
Check it out:
[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]
| 980 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:47:38pm |
re: #977 LudwigVanQuixote
There is something odd seeing someone of your intellect using an emoticon.
Fun, but odd.
| 981 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:48:17pm |
| 982 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:48:22pm |
| 983 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:49:27pm |
Oh, Cato! I didn't catch that at all! Nice!
| 984 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:49:37pm |
re: #980 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There is something odd seeing someone of your intellect using an emoticon.
Fun, but odd.
It's a little goofy and I am in a goofy kind of mood.
Actually, they are an almost inescapable meme. I picked it up from IMing the GF.
She puts all of these cute little emoticons up, and it well - TOOK OVER MY FREE WILL!
| 985 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:49:57pm |
| 986 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:49:58pm |
| 987 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:51:02pm |
| 988 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:51:36pm |
re: #981 LudwigVanQuixote
Vulcan yes...
Damn it Cato, I'm a physicist not a Trekkie!
There's a difference?
| 989 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:52:21pm |
re: #986 LudwigVanQuixote
Trekkie! :)
It took me like 10 seconds to get it and when it hit me I just groaned then started laughing hysterically. Good stuff.
sigh.
| 990 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:04pm |
On a different note entirely, I recently saw a movie called The Hurt Locker.
I can not recommend it highly enough. I think it is one of the best war movies ever made. It manages to be very realistic and emotionally compelling without being preachy or over the top in anyway. It manages to show very real men doing a very tough job and manages to escape dreary navel gazing. Rather than attempting to pose questions or worse, answer them, it simply takes you along with a group over very well fleshed out and compelling characters.
| 991 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:40pm |
re: #985 Cato the Elder
Holy moley that woman's eyes are amazing. I must have them!/
| 992 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:54:22pm |
re: #988 Cato the Elder
There's a difference?
Yes, there is.
The words we use for science have to be put in the correct order.
| 993 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:54:45pm |
re: #986 LudwigVanQuixote
Trekkie! :)
Hi Ludwig! Sorry didn't get back with you.. We are building near the University of OK.. I'll be building the Network Infrastructure and site administration for a year..Then to Asia...God Willing
| 994 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:05pm |
Just finished watching a DVR'd episode of "Modern Family". Sofia Vergara is probably the most beautiful woman on the planet.
Holy. Flipping. Moly.
| 995 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:03pm |
| 996 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:07pm |
re: #993 HoosierHoops
Hi Ludwig! Sorry didn't get back with you.. We are building near the University of OK.. I'll be building the Network Infrastructure and site administration for a year..Then to Asia...God Willing
I imagine Asia will be more exciting than Oklahoma. Though I imagine you can get a good steak there.
| 997 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:34pm |
| 998 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:50pm |
re: #994 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just finished watching a DVR'd episode of "Modern Family". Sofia Vergara is probably the most beautiful woman on the planet.
Holy. Flipping. Moly.
Which planet?
| 999 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:22pm |
re: #994 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just finished watching a DVR'd episode of "Modern Family". Sofia Vergara is probably the most beautiful woman on the planet.
Holy. Flipping. Moly.
You have good taste. I certainly can't argue.
I would have to say young Jane Seymour is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in movies. I would also have to put young Katharine Ross, Jennifer Connely, Scarlett Johanson and Natale Portman up there as well.
| 1000 |
tnguitarist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:24pm |
I'm late. Has anyone discussed this yet? This stuff is really starting to make my head hurt.
| 1001 |
Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:09pm |
| 1002 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:48pm |
Sidebar: Is there any such thing as white wine that doesn't taste like 6 tablespoons of sugar dissolved in vinegar...
*and*
that doesn't cost > $20 / bottle?
| 1003 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:55pm |
| 1004 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:02pm |
| 1005 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:09pm |
| 1006 |
Vambo Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:50pm |
re: #311 Walter L. Newton
You miss the fucking sarcasm's in my post, didn't you. And evidently you don't know shit about me. How long have you been around LGF. You need to sit back and pay attention to my style, because it's all sarcasm and nasty.
I'm fucking taking care of myself, always have and always will. I'll work 4 jobs a day if I need to. I'm a career computer programmer, 30 years, but right now, I work as a cashier, have a few private clients I do programming work for, I sell meteorites on Ebay, I sell handmade jewelry, I work opal and turquoise, I will stand on a street corner waving a sign for tacos if needed.
I'm nothing like you, I can guarantee that. And take back the up ding. And I'm NO ONES slave. I am VER HAPPY with what I am doing... think of Andy Rooney with a smile on his face.
Bullshit, you're not happy, you're a condescending prick. And sarcasm is the lowest form of humor because it takes the least amount of effort, if you're nasty all the time you must be really insecure about your supposed intellectual superiority. Have fun with that.
| 1007 |
Racer X Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:02:11pm |
| 1009 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:02:42pm |
re: #1002 negativ
Sidebar: Is there any such thing as white wine that doesn't taste like 6 tablespoons of sugar dissolved in vinegar...
*and*
that doesn't cost > $20 / bottle?
LOL!
I'm a box wine kinda Giraffe.
We like Peter Vella's Chardonnay.
NOT anything else they make.
It's $12 or so, for a 6.5 "bottle" sized box, here.
| 1010 |
Digital Display Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:03:55pm |
re: #996 LudwigVanQuixote
I imagine Asia will be more exciting than Oklahoma. Though I imagine you can get a good steak there.
I promise to buy only one Cowboy Hat...Seriously
/
| 1011 |
Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:04:00pm |
| 1012 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:04:05pm |
re: #1002 negativ
Sidebar: Is there any such thing as white wine that doesn't taste like 6 tablespoons of sugar dissolved in vinegar...
*and*
that doesn't cost > $20 / bottle?
Bogle.
| 1013 |
tnguitarist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:04:23pm |
re: #1004 LudwigVanQuixote
Of course, Fox always has the "We're not saying it is, it's just that..." bit going on.
| 1014 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:04:37pm |
| 1015 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:27pm |
| 1016 |
Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:33pm |
| 1017 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:11pm |
re: #1006 Vambo
Bullshit, you're not happy, you're a condescending prick. And sarcasm is the lowest form of humor because it takes the least amount of effort, if you're nasty all the time you must be really insecure about your supposed intellectual superiority. Have fun with that.
wow, you're a dick
| 1018 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:58pm |
re: #1011 Jadespring
Yes and I look pretty much exactly like that too. ;)
LOL
On the internet, we are all beautiful!
//
| 1019 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:07:02pm |
re: #1016 Jadespring
Well in my mind anyways...
Actually, made me think of the Windows 7 commercials... when it cut's to the moment that the "regular person" thought of something...
| 1020 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:07:18pm |
re: #1000 tnguitarist
I'm late. Has anyone discussed this yet? This stuff is really starting to make my head hurt.
America's moon has been Islamicised.
Harp arpeggios play as we lap-dissolve to:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 1022 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:08:08pm |
| 1023 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:08:48pm |
re: #1022 Floral Giraffe
And not a bimbo, either, IIRC.
Nope, sweet, smart and happily married mom of six.
| 1024 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:09:46pm |
re: #1004 LudwigVanQuixote
Dear G-d.
A stylized atom becomes an Islamic crescent?
And of course it is on Fox as well. Those freaks need to get a life.
On the upside Jon Stewart got a great bit out of it where he compared Fox's logo to a nazi propaganda poster, and then the flag of Imperial Japan...
| 1025 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:11:23pm |
re: #1002 negativ
Sidebar: Is there any such thing as white wine that doesn't taste like 6 tablespoons of sugar dissolved in vinegar...
*and*
that doesn't cost > $20 / bottle?
I'd put my less than twenty dollars on any Ravenswood entry-level Chardonnay:
| 1027 |
prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:20:07pm |
re: #1026 tnguitarist
Right! I had forgotten about that flag. I was married in South Carolina.
| 1028 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:20:46pm |
Obviously all South Carolinians are sekrit muslims.
| 1029 |
tnguitarist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:21:23pm |
| 1030 |
tnguitarist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:23:54pm |
re: #1028 Fozzie Bear
Obviously all South Carolinians are sekrit muslims.
Do they meet in Argentina? Sorry, couldn't resist.
| 1031 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:51:41pm |
re: #1002 negativ
Sidebar: Is there any such thing as white wine that doesn't taste like 6 tablespoons of sugar dissolved in vinegar...
*and*
that doesn't cost > $20 / bottle?
I'm a big fan of Portuguese vinho verde. It's not available in the wine section of your local 7-Eleven (unless you live in, say, Providence, RI), but if you can find a store that sells it, it usually goes for around $10 a bottle. Bracing, not at all sweetish, and with a hint of Champagne bubbles. One of the best values out there, because not too many people know about it.
| 1032 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:58:15pm |
re: #1006 Vambo
Bullshit, you're not happy, you're a condescending prick. And sarcasm is the lowest form of humor because it takes the least amount of effort, if you're nasty all the time you must be really insecure about your supposed intellectual superiority. Have fun with that.
Umm, dude...sarcasm is not humor. It's flesh-ripping truth-telling. If you're uncomfortable with it, you won't like me any more than you do Walter. And you might want to go hang on a fluffy kittens site instead.
| 1033 |
Kardzbox Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:19:37pm |
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