Just Another Sleazy Homophobic Smear

PoliticsApril 2010 • Views: 4,292

Plagiarist Ben Domenech, inexplicably published by CBS News despite being forced to resign in disgrace from the Washington Post in 2006, promptly turns in a sleazy post smearing possible Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan — and the Obama administration pushes back, hard: White House complains about CBS News blog post saying that possible Supreme Court nominee is gay.

The White House ripped CBS News on Thursday for publishing an online column by a blogger who made assertions about the sexual orientation of Solicitor General Elena Kagan, widely viewed as a leading candidate for the Supreme Court.

Ben Domenech, a former Bush administration aide and Republican Senate staffer, wrote that President Obama would “please” much of his base by picking the “first openly gay justice.” An administration official, who asked not to be identified discussing personal matters, said Kagan is not a lesbian.

CBS initially refused to pull the posting, prompting Anita Dunn, a former White House communications director who is working with the administration on the high court vacancy, to say: “The fact that they’ve chosen to become enablers of people posting lies on their site tells us where the journalistic standards of CBS are in 2010.” She said the network was giving a platform to a blogger “with a history of plagiarism” who was “applying old stereotypes to single women with successful careers.”

The network deleted the posting Thursday night after Domenech said he was merely repeating a rumor.

An interesting bit of info about Domenech:

Domenech is editor of a year-old Web site called the New Ledger, from which the CBS column was reprinted. He is also editor of the City, a religion-oriented publication of Houston Baptist University.

Why are the religious fundamentalists always the first ones to dive into the gutter?

But it gets even better (or worse, depending on whether you think this kind of stuff is darkly amusing or not) — because Domenech now claims he was just trying to highlight something positive about Kagan. Shameless.

It’s an odd thing to get attacked by the White House for a blog post, and odder still when the attack is for something mentioned in passing, and intended to highlight a political positive about a potential Supreme Court nominee.

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113 comments

wrenchwench Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:11:17am

“The fact that they’ve chosen to become enablers of people posting lies on their site tells us where the journalistic standards of CBS are in 2010.”

Same place they were in 2004, apparently.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:19:12am

The network deleted the posting Thursday night after Domenech said he was merely repeating a rumor.

WTF?

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:21:03am

Honestly, the last thing on my mind is the sex life of Supreme Court justices. Who cares?

Locker Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:21:12am

I heard this rumor that Domenech is a well known Yak-porn star in Eastern Europe. Just repeating it…

wrenchwench Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:22:29am

The last two paragraphs at the second link could be the worst apology ever.

Jimmah Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:22:53am

re: #2 Cannadian Club Akbar

The network deleted the posting Thursday night after Domenech said he was merely repeating a rumor.

WTF?

Seriously - what kind of defence is that?

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:23:29am

re: #6 Jimmah

Seriously - what kind of defence is that?

It’s a CYA bullshit defense.

Jimmah Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:24:28am

re: #4 Locker

I heard this rumor that Domenech is a well known Yak-porn star in Eastern Europe. Just repeating it…

And that’s a good thing - a ‘positive’!

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:25:07am

Kagan is also by far the most moderate out of the prospective nominees. Why the hell would you attack someone like her? She’s way less ‘liberal’ than Stevens, by most conventional measures.

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:25:23am

re: #1 wrenchwench

Same place they were in 2004, apparently.

bwahahaha…that joke is funny but doubly funny in CJ’s domicile…i love this blog…

brucee Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:26:57am

re: #6 Jimmah

re: #2 Cannadian Club Akbar

The network deleted the posting Thursday night after Domenech said he was merely repeating a rumor.

WTF?

Seriously - what kind of defence is that?

CBS ~~News~~ Rumors™

Taqyia2Me Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:27:06am

re: #5 wrenchwench

The last two paragraphs at the second link could be the worst apology ever.

No doubt, any apology followed by “if” pretty much disqualifies it as an apology at all, imho.

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:27:28am

re: #9 Obdicut

Kagan is also by far the most moderate out of the prospective nominees. Why the hell would you attack someone like her? She’s way less ‘liberal’ than Stevens, by most conventional measures.

indeed.

but i have a bigger question. who the fuck is reading/publishing/caring about this guy in the first place?

i’m not gonna invest in any Madoff funds in the future…nor am i gonna assume that i can ever trust anything out of the mouth of the plagiarizer.

not saying the crimes were equally heinous…just saying it’s almost as dumb to take this guy at his word. who cares what Ben says other than taking an opportunity to ridicule Ben, you know?

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:28:33am

re: #8 Jimmah

And that’s a good thing - a ‘positive’!

well…raising awareness for Yaks is a good cause, right??//

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:29:18am

To the blogger who got his column pulled, here’s a little music to make you feel better.

Johnny Guitar Watson - Ain’t that a Bitch

Youtube Video

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:30:24am

I get better news coverage here than any network/cable outlet. I hope they realize that. Charles needs a raise.

[deleted] Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:32:35am

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:32:58am

re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar

I get better news coverage here than any network/cable outlet. I hope they realize that. Charles needs a raise.

on one hand, the sports page here is a little light.

on the other hand, it means i may have something to contribute after all/

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:34:16am

re: #18 Aceofwhat?

on one hand, the sports page here is a little light.

on the other hand, it means i may have something to contribute after all/

We covered the NBA and MLB on the last thread.:)

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:36:21am

re: #9 Obdicut

Kagan is also by far the most moderate out of the prospective nominees. Why the hell would you attack someone like her? She’s way less ‘liberal’ than Stevens, by most conventional measures.

and by the way, i agree with your approach. comparing potential nominees to Stevens seems like the sane approach for both parties (not that i’m holding my breath).

of course i’d prefer a Roberts, but Obama won the presidency and i don’t bedgrudge him the right to nominate a jurist in Stevens’ mold. To the victor goes the spoils. As long as the nominee doesn’t make Stevens look like Scalia, Repubs would do well to act as they did with Sotomayor - critical but fair.

just my .02

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:36:52am

re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar

We covered the NBA and MLB on the last thread.:)

heh…can you tell i’m looking forward to the game today?

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:41:32am

re: #4 Locker

~~I heard this rumor~~ that Domenech is a well known Yak-porn star in Eastern Europe. Just repeating it…

That’s how you spread a rumor.

Taqyia2Me Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:43:28am

Yak-pron, they HAVE thought of everything!

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:44:02am

re: #20 Aceofwhat?

The Republicans were not ‘critical but fair’ with Sotomayor, there was a strong attack on her for being a ‘racist’ that seemed to never end— and in a way Hispanics won’t be forgetting anytime soon. The GOP also willfully misrepresented the firefighters decision.

I expect the GOP to do much the same with Kagan, throwing whatever they can at her. I hope that Ron Paul’s questioning of her isn’t too obviously antisemitic— though on the other hand, maybe it’d be good to get that out in the open.

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:44:28am

re: #22 stevemcg

That’s how you spread a rumor.

Even better, “Little Green Footballs is reporting that Domenich is a well known Yak-porn star in Eastern Europe.”

The fact that the statement is in the comments section is a little overlooked. 90% of people don’t check out the whole thing, as that guy from Wikileaks said.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:44:36am

re: #22 stevemcg

That’s how you spread a rumor.

And rumors are easier to spread because of the interwebz. And people will eat it up because people don’t do research. That is why we are here. We have better fact checking here than the NYT, CBS, so on and so on.

keloyd Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:44:47am

No problems here, just get Hillary to clarify the matter in a public statement. Obama knows just how good she is at those - “Ms. Kagan is not a lesbian, (wink) as far as I know (wink wink)”

Honestly, I’m putting on my Carnac The Magnificent hat right now and predicting Obama will pick a centrist that Fox News will work itself up into a lather about for being too liberal, then the ACLU and Code Pink will get worked into a lather about in a year’s time for being too centrist.

Taqyia2Me Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:45:50am

re: #24 Obdicut

I expect the GOP to do much the same with Kagan, throwing whatever they can at her. I hope that Ron Paul’s questioning of her isn’t too obviously antisemitic— though on the other hand, maybe it’d be good to get that out in the open.

BIG upding for that last paragraph!!

Jadespring Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:48:00am

OT. Anyone been to Costa Rica?

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:48:42am

I would make a great SC justice. Just think of the judge from “Up in Smoke.” The one with the glass of vodka, not water. Just sayin’.
///

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:49:54am

re: #30 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would make a great SC justice. Just think of the judge from “Up in Smoke.” The one with the glass of vodka, not water. Just sayin’.
///

Are you now, or have you ever been, a LIBERAL?

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:50:07am

re: #29 Jadespring

OT. Anyone been to Costa Rica?

No. But we have a local who works for 6 months out of the year here (saving money) and spends 6 months there surfing.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:51:04am

re: #28 Taqyia2Me

Seriously. His thing with the Fed skirted so close to an open accusation of ZOMG Zionist conspiracy.

politifi.com

What a maroon.

smorpheus Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:51:08am

That Huffpost article is a fantastic demonstration of the Passive-Aggressive Notpology. (tm) If he gets fired from CBS, he can work on a book about how to jam three excuses in one sentence “intended” to be an apology.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:51:19am

re: #31 SteveMcG

Are you now, or have you ever been, a LIBERAL?

I actually was a liberal. And my boss is a liberal. And we have never raised our voices at each other.

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:52:22am

I’d really like to see some serious, in-depth scientifically rigorous investigation into why religious fundies seem to be obsessed with the gay.

In my experience (which is intrinsically limited and might be completely wrong), most people just don’t give a shit either way about it. Some people are reflexively squicked out by it (adding anecdotal evidence to the position that it’s NOT A CHOICE) but ultimately don’t give a shit. There are other flavors, but in the end, most people seem to be able to easily forget about the issue and go on with their daily shenanigans, none the worse for wear.

But WHAT’S THE DEAL with people who go on full-throttle crusades against anything having to do with homosexuality? Why go to all the trouble of setting up dubious ‘gay recovery’ outfits, for example? That seems to be solely the domain of religious fundamentalists, and I’d like to know why. Note: simple answers that fit on a bumper sticker will not suffice.

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:52:33am

re: #24 Obdicut

The Republicans were not ‘critical but fair’ with Sotomayor, there was a strong attack on her for being a ‘racist’ that seemed to never end— and in a way Hispanics won’t be forgetting anytime soon. The GOP also willfully misrepresented the firefighters decision.

I expect the GOP to do much the same with Kagan, throwing whatever they can at her. I hope that Ron Paul’s questioning of her isn’t too obviously antisemitic— though on the other hand, maybe it’d be good to get that out in the open.

ugh. fine. by ‘fair’ i meant ‘no less of a tendency to distort than when the shoe is on the other foot’.

she was confirmed, right? it never got Clarence Thomas / Robert Bork ugly, right?

i don’t like it when either side takes the confirmation hearings hostage and do what they do best…bloviate. but both sides do it.

really, i don’t want to do a ‘whose confirmation process was slightly more melodramatic’ comparison. Obama has the right to nominate someone in Stevens’ mold, says I, a conservative.

Jadespring Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:55:14am

re: #32 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. But we have a local who works for 6 months out of the year here (saving money) and spends 6 months there surfing.

Sounds like a great way to do life. :)

We have been going over finances and doing some planning and decided that FINALLY we’re going to be able to do the yearly vacation thing. I haven’t been on a holiday (more then a weekend getaway) for about ten years! So excited, even though it won’t happen until next winter. Of course I’m starting to look and dream now. Where to go, where to go?
The requirements are warm, a beach and interesting stuff to see.

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:55:15am

re: #37 Aceofwhat?

How dare you, sir, to call yourself a “conservative”?

ryannon Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:56:47am

re: #17 MandyManners

Hello Mandy - rumor has it that you’re a sekret hater of teh gehs. And some kind of Manchurian Teabagger who’s persistently poisoning the generally high level of exchanges and exemplary civility of this forum.

Does your training as a devious agent of the forces of reaction allow you to ‘fess up?

Personally, I’ve no problem with your posts but there are handful of inquiring minds that would take great delight in stringing you up with the very rope you habitually tell them to urinate upon in a more or less vertical direction. As I’ve never been a fan of lynch-mobs and believe in giving people the opportunity of explaining themselves, I’m taking the liberty of addressing this modest request to you.

On second thought, I think you’ve shown great class and restraint in not addressing the individuals in question. Much more than I would have were I in your place.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:56:57am

re: #38 Jadespring

Sounds like a great way to do life. :)

We have been going over finances and doing some planning and decided that FINALLY we’re going to be able to do the yearly vacation thing. I haven’t been on a holiday (more then a weekend getaway) for about ten years! So excited, even though it won’t happen until next winter. Of course I’m starting to look and dream now. Where to go, where to go?
The requirements are warm, a beach and interesting stuff to see.

My nic is blue. I can guide you in Florida. And the Canadian dollar is equal with the greenback right now.:)

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:56:57am

re: #38 Jadespring

Speaking for myself, I would suggest a cruise. You would get beach days at a couple of different places. On a 7 day trip, there are generally 2 sea days, but those are strictly for sanbathing.

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:57:32am

re: #22 stevemcg

That’s how you spread a rumor.

“One who wishes to have his opinions accepted as gospel would do well to falsely attribute them to a universally respected nonpareil.” — Thomas Jefferson

/see what I did there?

HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:57:57am

I can’t believe this…Winston and I just came back from the front yard..I noticed as usual that Winston likes to pee on every tree in the front yard..
I dunno..It’s what dogs do..
So my front yard is full of trees..Real old Oaks mostly..Today at noon I decided to count how many trees I have in the front yard..I know weird I have never checked it out before…I have 13 fucking Oak trees in the front yard! This isn’t right! If I wasn’t out of here in 60 days I’d be freaking out.. As God is my witness.. I would or will cut down a tree before I am out of here…I actually walked around the front yard twice…There is no way there are 13 Oaks in the front yard..13…yup…A tree is biting the dust this summer…
/

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:58:27am

re: #43 negativ

“One who wishes to have his opinions accepted as gospel would do well to falsely attribute them to a universally respected nonpareil.” — Thomas Jefferson

/see what I did there?

Blamed it on a piece of candy?

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:58:36am

re: #36 negativ

I give everyone a full chance. I don’t give a rat’s ass about what they do or believe. Act like an idiot, that’s when I am done.:)

abbyadams Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:58:42am

That is truly disgusting. Given the fact that not everyone accepts homosexuals as, well, as human beings, to say that they were trying to highlight a “plus” of this potential candidate is horrible. In my experience, one of the WORST things you can do to a gay person is “out” them without their permission.

I had a friend who was outed at work, and when she confronted the person who did it, they said “oh, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s who you are.” That friend was persecuted and belittled until she was forced to quit and find another job. And I’m supposed to believe this clown didn’t know that? Give. Me. A. Fracking. Break.

Taqyia2Me Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:59:06am

re: #33 Obdicut

Seriously. His thing with the Fed skirted so close to an open accusation of ZOMG Zionist conspiracy.

[Link: politifi.com…]

What a maroon.

Yep, he’s a ‘favorite’ here at LGF over the time I’ve been here. IIRC, he’s publsihed in some pretty much (neo-)Nazi organization literature.

And his whole “anti-earmark” BS frosts me to no end.

Jadespring Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:59:18am

re: #41 Cannadian Club Akbar

My nic is blue. I can guide you in Florida. And the Canadian dollar is equal with the greenback right now.:)

I’ve been to Florida a few times as my Grandparents lived there. Thanks so much for the offer but I think I’m going go somewhere I haven’t been before. :)

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 9:59:25am

re: #44 HoosierHoops

I’m glad you mentioned that Winston is a dog.

Jadespring Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:00:27am

re: #42 SteveMcG

Speaking for myself, I would suggest a cruise. You would get beach days at a couple of different places. On a 7 day trip, there are generally 2 sea days, but those are strictly for sanbathing.

Yeah we’re going to look into a cruise. I kinda of like the idea of a holiday where you don’t have to think and plan much. Where you just kinda go with the flow.

Locker Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:00:36am

re: #18 Aceofwhat?

on one hand, the sports page here is a little light.

on the other hand, it means i may have something to contribute after all/

I try but there aren’t a lot of European football fans around… or so it seems.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:00:39am

re: #49 Jadespring

I’ve been to Florida a few times as my Grandparents lived there. Thanks so much for the offer but I think I’m going go somewhere I haven’t been before. :)

I would suggest staying at an all inclusive resort. But no drinking between 2-4. Siesta time.

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:01:22am

re: #51 Jadespring

Depending on the line, the food can be amazing, too.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:02:15am

re: #54 SteveMcG

Depending on the line, the food can be amazing, too.

My dream is to open a bbq pit on a beach someday.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:03:36am

re: #37 Aceofwhat?

she was confirmed, right? it never got Clarence Thomas / Robert Bork ugly, right?

I’d say that it definitely got Clarence Thomas ugly, perhaps a bit beyond that, given how uncontroversial she should have been. And Bork was a rather long time ago.

Obama has the right to nominate someone in Stevens’ mold, says I, a conservative.

I’m not sure I’m really on board with the ‘he gets to pick someone who’s equivalent’, either, really. There is nowhere the whole ‘liberal/conservative’ thing falls apart more than the Supreme Court.

Being pro-corporate and pro-governmental-power is a position held by both “liberals” and “conservatives” and is, unfortunately, the position most widely held on the Supreme Court— but individual justices are inconsistent (not a bad thing, just a demonstration of how you can’t use easy metrics) by those measures too— Thomas, for example, is generally good on free speech and a few other civil rights issues but is terrible on police powers, ruling in favor of police protections constantly.

The court is inhabited by such a small number of individuals with such strong individual personalities and philosophies that any attempt to see it through a binary lens fails utterly. I think judges should be chosen on the basis of what the largest legal threats to our Republic and the constitution— and right now I see those largest threats being an overreach of government and law enforcement power, a breakdown in separation between church and state, and the weak regulatory environment. I’d like someone who’s strong on those.

HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:04:18am

re: #50 SteveMcG

I’m glad you mentioned that Winston is a dog.

Check my Avatar…Winston and I love floating around the swimming pool…
And all his little doggie friends

Taqyia2Me Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:04:50am

re: #55 Cannadian Club Akbar

My dream is to open a bbq pit on a beach someday.

Hey, that was my oldest brother’s dream too! But then he retired and moved to Vegas.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:04:55am

Oh, for the love of Pete. Westboro Baptist is picketing a Bon Jovi concert in Tampa or St. Pete. Fucking idiots. (my radio just told me this)

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:05:19am

re: #57 HoosierHoops

Which one is you?

Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:06:00am

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, for the love of Pete. Westboro Baptist is picketing a Bon Jovi concert in Tampa or St. Pete. Fucking idiots. (my radio just told me this)

Damn leftist.

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:06:30am

I’ve never made a pie before. Seems like a good weekend project for a bachelor-kinda guy!

Me: Hmm, I like apples, and I almost never eat pie. But if I made an apple pie and took it to work on Monday, some of the criminally hawt wimminz might take favorable note of me.

Carl Sagan: If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch…

Me: Yeah?! Go on!

Carl Sagan: You must first… INVENT THE UNIVERSE.

Me: Well, shit. (sulks off)

William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:06:56am

re: #44 HoosierHoops

I can’t believe this…Winston and I just came back from the front yard..I noticed as usual that Winston likes to pee on every tree in the front yard..
I dunno..It’s what dogs do..
So my front yard is full of trees..Real old Oaks mostly..Today at noon I decided to count how many trees I have in the front yard..I know weird I have never checked it out before…I have 13 fucking Oak trees in the front yard! This isn’t right! If I wasn’t out of here in 60 days I’d be freaking out.. As God is my witness.. I would or will cut down a tree before I am out of here…I actually walked around the front yard twice…There is no way there are 13 Oaks in the front yard..13…yup…A tree is biting the dust this summer…
/

Heh. Plant a 14th, it’s easier ;)

William

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:06:58am

re: #61 Walter L. Newton

Damn leftist.

I’m still waiting for a response from my lamp.
/

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:07:06am

re: #36 negativ

i have some experience with Christians who are overly concerned with it.

for many folks it begins with a legitimate concern that a single-sex home is not the most advantageous arrangement (and some believe, in a more bigoted sense, that it is a wholly improper arrangement) for the raising of children.

state/society legitimizing homosexuality => state/society legitimizing homosexual parenting as equally effective as heterosexual parents => state/society on record saying that a heterosexual couple bearing their own children is not the optimal family environment.

for many other folks, it’s just mindless bigotry.

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:07:57am

re: #40 ryannon

indeed

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:08:02am

re: #62 negativ

You can buy pie crust and filling. Easy as, well, pie.

What, me worry? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:10:36am

re: #62 negativ

Just be sure to leave the clown mask at home.

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:10:43am

re: #62 negativ

Well as a bachelor you’ll have something to use the pie for when it’s done! Dammit, can’t find an Aperican Pie Video on short notice.

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:11:23am

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, for the love of Pete. Westboro Baptist is picketing a Bon Jovi concert in Tampa or St. Pete. Fucking idiots. (my radio just told me this)

In fairness, any entity I’d consider a god would most definitely hate Bon Jovi.

Athens Runaway Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:11:28am

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, for the love of Pete. Westboro Baptist is picketing a Bon Jovi concert in Tampa or St. Pete. Fucking idiots. (my radio just told me this)

Damn conservatives.

/unsure if people really believe that Westboro are conservatives and my slashie is needed…

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:11:54am

My Evil Plan^TM just took a turn for the good. Can’t tell, though. Don’t want to jinx it.:)

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:14:28am

re: #70 negativ

In fairness, any entity I’d consider a god would most definitely hate Bon Jovi.

Some day I will tell the story of when someone thought I was Bon Jovi. Kept me from wearing sunglasses for about 10 years.:(

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:15:05am

re: #52 Locker

I try but there aren’t a lot of European football fans around… or so it seems.

You’re right, there aren’t.

1. it’s tough to watch on tv. fun to play, but tough to watch. chess is a great game too…doesn’t mean i want to watch it on tv.

2. European football fans make Detroit basketball fans look like Ghandi. Hi, i’m “class”. Have we met?

3. Soccer players are the biggest bunch of girls to ever call themselves professional athletes, and i say that as a tennis player (and with apologies to girls). Nothing makes me reach for the remote faster than some panty-waisted footballer writhing in faux pain on the grass because the breeze from a nearby slide tackle got his thong in a twist.

other than that, European football is swell/

What, me worry? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:15:49am

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, for the love of Pete. Westboro Baptist is picketing a Bon Jovi concert in Tampa or St. Pete. Fucking idiots. (my radio just told me this)

Bon Jovi tickets - $100 (same as Ozzy tickets :p)
Sipping apple martinis at the bar beforehand - $12
Opting for Levis other than your mom jeans - $25
Yelling obscenities at Fred Phelps before the show - priceless

lol

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:15:59am

re: #68 marjoriemoon

Just be sure to leave the clown mask at home.

Way to take all the ~~horror~~ fun out of it. PARTY POOPER!

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:17:00am

re: #75 marjoriemoon

Bon Jovi tickets - $100 (same as Ozzy tickets :p)
Sipping apple martinis at the bar beforehand - $12
Opting for Levis other than your mom jeans - $25
Yelling obscenities at Fred Phelps before the show - priceless

lol

Another ding!!!

What, me worry? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:17:20am

re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar

Another ding!!!

I’m on a roll! Watch out!

HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:17:21am

re: #60 SteveMcG

Which one is you?

LOL..
That is my little buddy…I’m thinking of putting him in the hot tub with sun glasses on with a drink nearby..
When my son was in Iraq with the 3/5th Marines my Avatar was always of some shit going down with 1st Platoon…I posted pictures of him giving candy away to children in Fallujah..
The day Jordan came home..I posted for months folks..I would never have a Avatar of Iraq ever again…or Jordan fighting there..Forever…
It’s all about dogs in the swimming pool these days my friend

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:17:38am

re: #69 SteveMcG

No.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:18:55am

re: #79 HoosierHoops

Just find Winston a bitch!! (pun, intended)

SteveMcGazi Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:19:20am

re: #80 negativ

Just in case of emergency…

Renaissance_Man Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:20:06am

re: #74 Aceofwhat?

The real problem with soccer is that while it’s a sport that takes quite some skill, it’s still basically the only major sport where a 0-0 scoreless draw can be considered a thrilling, intense match.

That’s just not enough. The goal of the game is to score goals. That’s why they’re called goals. If you watch a 0-0 scoreless draw, all you did is watch 20 men fail for 90 minutes.

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:23:22am

re: #44 HoosierHoops

I can’t believe this…Winston and I just came back from the front yard.

You most desperately need an additional pet named “O’Brien”.

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:24:24am

re: #83 Renaissance_Man

The real problem with soccer is that while it’s a sport that takes quite some skill, it’s still basically the only major sport where a 0-0 scoreless draw can be considered a thrilling, intense match.

That’s just not enough. The goal of the game is to score goals. That’s why they’re called goals. If you watch a 0-0 scoreless draw, all you did is watch 20 men fail for 90 minutes.

Well said. And along similar lines, i’m not a huge baseball fan either…

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:24:28am

Crap. Gotta go to the store.:(
BBL.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:25:40am

re: #85 Aceofwhat?

Well said. And along similar lines, i’m not a huge baseball fan either…

Remind me later to grill you on baseball.

HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:26:56am

re: #84 negativ

You most desperately need an additional pet named “O’Brien”.

What does that mean?
Winston is the only pet I have ever had…

Renaissance_Man Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:27:10am

re: #85 Aceofwhat?

I also think NBA basketball has the opposite problem - baskets are scored so often and so easily that they become more or less incidental. The popularity of both sports, I think, has more to do with their position in culture (ie. in Latin American/European or African American culture) than their merits as sports.

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:29:31am

re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar

Remind me later to grill you on baseball.

With pleasure…any sport where a person with the physique, conditioning, strength and speed of Prince Fielder can be a superstar is definitely a second-tier sport!

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:30:32am

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

I also think NBA basketball has the opposite problem - baskets are scored so often and so easily that they become more or less incidental. The popularity of both sports, I think, has more to do with their position in culture (ie. in Latin American/European or African American culture) than their merits as sports.

that’s a valid point. the NBA isn’t my favorite thing to watch, but i contend that it contains the world’s best athletes.

LeBron James has no equivalent in any other sport…

HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:34:49am

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

I also think NBA basketball has the opposite problem - baskets are scored so often and so easily that they become more or less incidental. The popularity of both sports, I think, has more to do with their position in culture (ie. in Latin American/European or African American culture) than their merits as sports.

Are you out of your fucking mind? Step on the court with any player and they will kick your ass..You won’t even come close to scoring one basket..You will get your ass kicked…
The reason so many baskets are scored is not incidental to your eyes it’s because of pure talent…
Here you go..Stop Kobe Bitch or shut the hell up..It’s that simple..NBA players are some of the greatest athletes in the world….
I’m just trash talking you on the first day of playoff my friend

Aceofwhat? Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:36:25am

re: #92 HoosierHoops

Are you out of your fucking mind? Step on the court with any player and they will kick your ass..You won’t even come close to scoring one basket..You will get your ass kicked…
The reason so many baskets are scored is not incidental to your eyes it’s because of pure talent…
Here you go..Stop Kobe Bitch or shut the hell up..It’s that simple..NBA players are some of the greatest athletes in the world…
I’m just trash talking you on the first day of playoff my friend

NOW the blog is complete!//

Renaissance_Man Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:37:33am

re: #91 Aceofwhat?

As a physical specimen you may be right.

My favourite athletes are those who transcend their sport - those rare few who come along once in a generation and are so incredible that the sport is forever after associated with them, rather than them being associated with the sport. To watch someone like that, someone so amazing that even the greatest in their own field look like mere mortals by comparison, someone where the sport itself is their only real adversary, is a rare privilege.

I do not know enough about basketball to know if Jordan was one of these, but I believe those who say he was.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:39:03am

re: #92 HoosierHoops

Hey, did you know that Sandy Koufax was a basketball player, too? His high school team won a contest and got to play against the Knicks. The Knicks were playing on like half-speed, and suddenly realized this big Jewish high-schooler was kicking their asses! So they had to step up to take him down. Koufax was the man.

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:39:40am

re: #85 Aceofwhat?

Well said. And along similar lines, i’m not a huge baseball fan either…

I’m not a sports fan in general, but I have recently learned:

* Hockey can be amazingly awesome
* Australian Rules Football - are there actually any rules? I think there’s a non-zero chance that a top-notch Australian Rules football team, if dropped into a Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan, could produce a body count equal to or greater than the US Marine Corps.
* Women’s water polo - I never even knew it existed until the recent Olympics in China. Somehow, that was truly edge-of-your-seat fare.

Here, we have televised golf? Who the hell watches that? If I were a quadriplegic, I couldn’t envision a more exquisite torture than having the TV tuned to televised golf.

Baseball is much the same. A guy throws a pitch, another guy hits it. The hitter runs to first base. Then, some guy walks out and talks to the pitcher for 30 minutes, after which the pitcher might throw another pitch (thereby repeating the cycle), or he might be replaced by another pitcher who will also need 30 minutes of conference before getting down to business.

My dad was a huge baseball fan, but I could never figure out how the hell he could stand to watch 5 hours of snail-paced crap like that.

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:40:41am

re: #88 HoosierHoops

What does that mean?
Winston is the only pet I have ever had…

en.wikipedia.org

pet rivalry, etc.

Renaissance_Man Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:47:30am

re: #96 negativ

* Australian Rules Football - are there actually any rules? I think there’s a non-zero chance that a top-notch Australian Rules football team, if dropped into a Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan, could produce a body count equal to or greater than the US Marine Corps.

Ah, God’s own football code. All other variations of football seem as glorified slap fights in comparison.

HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:49:54am

re: #96 negativ

Because you are not a sports fan..I’ll have mercy on you..You are a good guy.
You don’t know shit about baseball..As a lefty Pitcher I used to just bean people..usually the first batter…Hit this now bitch was my motto…I have a natural curve..Those were fun days

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 17, 2010 11:26:17am

re: #9 Obdicut

Kagan is also by far the most moderate out of the prospective nominees. Why the hell would you attack someone like her? She’s way less ‘liberal’ than Stevens, by most conventional measures.

That’s why. There’s an element in town that’s determined to blow whoever Obama picks up into a raving left-wing activist lunatic. If Kagan persists in not being that justice, they’ll pull up whatever they can.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 17, 2010 11:30:42am

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, for the love of Pete. Westboro Baptist is picketing a Bon Jovi concert in Tampa or St. Pete. Fucking idiots. (my radio just told me this)

Wetboro ‘Baptist’ is kind of busy right now, aren’t they?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 17, 2010 11:32:15am

re: #71 Athens Runaway

Damn conservatives.

/unsure if people really believe that Westboro are conservatives and my slashie is needed…

I’m not completely sure what Westboro Baptist is/are, from a classification sense, but ‘conservative’ certainly doesn’t describe it.

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sagehen Sat, Apr 17, 2010 11:52:14am

re: #13 Aceofwhat?

i’m not gonna invest in any Madoff funds in the future…nor am i gonna assume that i can ever trust anything out of the mouth of the plagiarizer.

Be fair, now. Plagiarists often tell the truth; it depends who they’re plagiarizing from and if they do so accurately.

In this case, I’m going to guess that poor Ben just got confused — Pam Karlan was supposedly on the short list last time around, and she is openly gay.

Not a bad pick — Yale Law Journal, clerked for Justice Blackmun, associate counsel for the NAACP, now teaching at Stanford Law School.

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lostlakehiker Sat, Apr 17, 2010 12:31:46pm

re: #24 Obdicut

The Republicans were not ‘critical but fair’ with Sotomayor, there was a strong attack on her for being a ‘racist’ that seemed to never end— and in a way Hispanics won’t be forgetting anytime soon. The GOP also willfully misrepresented the firefighters decision.

I expect the GOP to do much the same with Kagan, throwing whatever they can at her. I hope that Ron Paul’s questioning of her isn’t too obviously antisemitic— though on the other hand, maybe it’d be good to get that out in the open.

As to Kagan, it was CBS, not the Republicans, who asserted that Kagan was lesbian. If it were true, what of it? Since it happens to be false, though, who said it?

As to Kagan being Jewish, again, what influential Republican has voiced any objections? Buchanan is no longer a wheel in the Republican party, and Ron Paul can’t get into double digits in a primary nor can he bring himself to accept any part of the Republican establishment’s platform. Neither man speaks for the Republican party.

As to Sotomayor, she did indeed hold that the firefighters who worked their butts off and scored well on a test of firefighting knowledge would have to just accept that some animals are more equal than others. She was overruled at the SC by a lopsided vote.

When the Republicans bring this up, it’s not misrepresentation. It’s just a fact: by the best available objective standard, Sotomayor misunderstood the law and misapplied the Constitution. She did so in a context where if you credit her with being bright enough to have known better, then you have to wonder if she had ax to grind. There’s also the possibility she just didn’t think the rest of the establishment would go out on a limb and uphold justice and equal rights, so why should she?

There can hardly be any doubt but that she was bright enough to have known better as to the merits of the case and of the legal reasoning behind throwing out the test because the wrong people passed.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Apr 17, 2010 12:47:04pm

re: #104 lostlakehiker

She ruled according to precedent, and it points out a problem in what she was ruling on, not in her judgment. she was being a non-activist justice, and got smeared for it, and you’re continuing the smear.

Be proud.

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sagehen Sat, Apr 17, 2010 12:50:44pm

re: #104 lostlakehiker

As to Sotomayor, she did indeed hold that the firefighters who worked their butts off and scored well on a test of firefighting knowledge would have to just accept that some animals are more equal than others. She was overruled at the SC by a lopsided vote.

When the Republicans bring this up, it’s not misrepresentation. It’s just a fact: by the best available objective standard, Sotomayor misunderstood the law and misapplied the Constitution. She did so in a context where if you credit her with being bright enough to have known better, then you have to wonder if she had ax to grind. There’s also the possibility she just didn’t think the rest of the establishment would go out on a limb and uphold justice and equal rights, so why should she?

There can hardly be any doubt but that she was bright enough to have known better as to the merits of the case and of the legal reasoning behind throwing out the test because the wrong people passed.

You’re just wrong.

Title VII of the civil rights act says, quite explicitly, that if the results of a supposedly objective test for employment excludes minorities, then the people administering the test have to *prove* that the test is absolutely relevant and appropriate to the employment under consideration. And Congress again, ten years later, wrote another law emphasizing that any test results where the winners are overwhelmingly white is presumed, unless proved otherwise, to be discriminatory. There’s dozens of court cases, at all 9 appellate courts and the supreme court, backing that interpretation.

Sotomayor ruled the only way the plain language of the law, and a substantial body of precedent stretching for decades, allowed.

The Supreme Court took the appeal for the express purpose of overturning that law — which Justice Roberts and the Supremes had the right to do, but an Appellate Court and Judge Sotomayor did not.

If you don’t like the law used to say, and you’re happy the Roberts court overturned it, that’s fine. But it’s most certainly not Sotomayor’s fault that the law said what it said. She’d have been legislating from the bench to rule the way you wanted her to.

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Mentis Fugit Sat, Apr 17, 2010 1:16:59pm

re: #44 HoosierHoops

I have 13 fucking Oak trees in the front yard!

Oak trees don’t fuck. Those are Ents.

And on the sports topic, where does cricket fit in? A traditional test match lasts five days, in excess of 1,500 runs may be scored by the two sides, and yet the game ends in a draw as often as not (unless one of the sides is Australia.)

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SpaceJesus Sat, Apr 17, 2010 1:39:15pm

why are conservatives so obsessed with other people’s sex lives?

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b_sharp Sat, Apr 17, 2010 2:06:44pm

re: #108 SpaceJesus

why are conservatives so obsessed with other people’s sex lives?

Because their’s are either non-existent or boring?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 17, 2010 2:34:30pm

re: #65 Aceofwhat?

i have some experience with Christians who are overly concerned with it.

for many folks it begins with a legitimate concern that a single-sex home is not the most advantageous arrangement (and some believe, in a more bigoted sense, that it is a wholly improper arrangement) for the raising of children.

state/society legitimizing homosexuality => state/society legitimizing homosexual parenting as equally effective as heterosexual parents => state/society on record saying that a heterosexual couple bearing their own children is not the optimal family environment.

for many other folks, it’s just mindless bigotry.

it’s just that their legitimate concern is irrelevant, and if they try and codify it into law, it’s exactly the same as the “concern” that a black man and a white woman cannot be an optimal family unit. It’s the same people who opposed interracial marriage, for almost the exact same reasons.

These people want the state to endorse them as superior. That’s why the gay thing, that’s why they want prayer in school, that’s why they don’t like the establishment cause.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 17, 2010 2:34:41pm

re: #109 b_sharp

Because their’s are either non-existent or boring?

ding ding ding

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Dr. Shalit Sat, Apr 17, 2010 6:05:47pm

Who Really Cares About the Sex Life of Ms. Kagan? In 100 Years, it won’t mean “poop” to a tree. What MIGHT count is her competence as a potential Justice of the US Supreme Court, should she be so appointed by president Obama, or perhaps her Politics.
I likely disagree with her Politics - AND - like Justice Sotomayor, suspect she is more than minimally competent. I would prefer the next Female appointee to the Court be Janice Rogers Brown. I am NOT President - Obama IS. Elections have consequences. That is All and Quite Enough.

-S-

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lostlakehiker Sat, Apr 17, 2010 6:07:22pm

re: #106 sagehen

You’re just wrong.

Title VII of the civil rights act says, quite explicitly, that if the results of a supposedly objective test for employment excludes minorities, then the people administering the test have to *prove* that the test is absolutely relevant and appropriate to the employment under consideration. And Congress again, ten years later, wrote another law emphasizing that any test results where the winners are overwhelmingly white is presumed, unless proved otherwise, to be discriminatory. There’s dozens of court cases, at all 9 appellate courts and the supreme court, backing that interpretation.

Sotomayor ruled the only way the plain language of the law, and a substantial body of precedent stretching for decades, allowed.

The Supreme Court took the appeal for the express purpose of overturning that law — which Justice Roberts and the Supremes had the right to do, but an Appellate Court and Judge Sotomayor did not.

If you don’t like the law used to say, and you’re happy the Roberts court overturned it, that’s fine. But it’s most certainly not Sotomayor’s fault that the law said what it said. She’d have been legislating from the bench to rule the way you wanted her to.

No, I’m not wrong. They did prove that the test was fair. It was vetted six ways to Sunday ahead of time. It passed every check. It was upheld, later, by the SC, as having been a fair test. It was objectively and in reality as fair as tests get. The plain language of the law does not say, and never did say, that when the wrong people pass, the results must be thrown out. If that is what the law had morphed into, not by its wording but by way of a series of indefensible rulings by various courts, then so much the worse for precedent.

It is in any case flatly ridiculous to presume that any test on which the high scorers are the wrong race is somehow not valid after all. Some tests have been exhaustively validated. The armed forces qualification test, for instance, does a good job at predicting who will turn out to succeed in training at thus and so a military specialty, and who will probably not master the skills required for that specialty in the time available for training. The statistics for who is predicted to succeed in which job are politically incorrect, but they are objectively correct. The predictions are borne out by experience.

The alternative to using tests is to fly blind and put people into jobs in the hope that they will somehow work out on the job. When lives are at stake, as with firefighting and in the military, this just won’t do. And to insist that it is in principle impossible that the test is valid, overrule the results, and install people according to a quota system, will cost lives. It has, in fact, cost lives.

Women who gave every indication on the tests for carrier fighter pilot that they weren’t cut out for this extremely hazardous and exacting occupation were put into training anyhow, because the military was pressed into accepting that their tests weren’t valid, could not possibly be valid because they were giving politically incorrect results. The tests were valid and too many of those women are dead of crashing into the prow of the carrier instead of making a clean landing. That happens to men too, from time to time; the job is one of the most dangerous in the world. But the statistics for the women whose test scores were set aside so they could go ahead in training prove, death by death, that the tests were valid.

How many bodies will it take to establish to the satisfaction of the courts that a good test is a good way to decide who can do a job, when on the job training until success or failure becomes apparent, is not an option? The answer given by the SC was that enough is enough already. Human life matters.

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