Another investigation into the CRU “Climategate” phony scandal has reported in, exonerating the scientists just as I predicted, with only minor criticisms. Here’s the Oxburgh Report — finding no scientific misconduct and no distortion of data.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:24:17pm |
Thank you very much Charles for helping to put the lies and smears to rest.
Science is always at a disadvantage in the public forum because, truth takes time to investigate, while lies are spread much faster.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:25:36pm |
In each case, the deniers are going to engage in the usual:
Attacking the credentials of the reviewers.
Alleging political pressure.
Finding financial connections between the reviewers and green energy
Saying there are more reviews to come
Finding any remotely critical part of the review and citing it out of context.
Hopefully at least this thread will be free of them.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:27:58pm |
so not to point one way or the other but I am wondering how this volcano thing affects all the climate models?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:29:28pm |
Now the sad part is that the hard core deniers are simply going to claim that the investigating agency was part of some conspiracy as well.
Part of what makes all of this so astonishing to the scientific world is that of course data and methodology is always presented thoroughly in any good paper and that of course all the data and methodology was already out there.
However, it is nearly impossible to get people to look at it.
This puts the scientist in a very bad place. Our sword and shiled has always been the data itself. It either supports our story or it does not. So when we painstakingly collect it and analyze it and present it, it is astonishing to simply have it ignored.
There is no science discussion without the data and the analysis. Of course everyone gets that the propagandists main weapon is to do everything in his power to smear the data or the scientists and a reliance on the fact that people will not do their homework.
But this all went well beyond that. This went into the realm of simply trying to destroy the careers of scientists by lying about them.
It's agonizing.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:29:54pm |
re: #3 brookly red
so not to point one way or the other but I am wondering how this volcano thing affects all the climate models?
partly cloudy skies today
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:31:41pm |
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Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:32:53pm |
re: #6 brookly red
Oh hell I bet you are right about that.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:34:09pm |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
Oh hell I bet you are right about that.
Hey!
There you are!
I'm in the previous thread waiting for you.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:35:04pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:35:29pm |
re: #3 brookly red
so not to point one way or the other but I am wondering how this volcano thing affects all the climate models?
That's actually a really great question.
The answer is that volcanoes were one of the very fiirt things modeled and that Hansen's great triumph in showing that his modelling techniques were useful, predicted the signal of a large eruption in his models. The signal from the real world matched the modeled prediction almost perfectly.
Please note that this was 1978 and 1981!
Here are the abstracts for the papers:
[Link: pubs.giss.nasa.gov...]
Hansen, J.E., W.-C. Wang, and A.A. Lacis, 1978: Mount Agung eruption provides test of a global climatic perturbation. Science, 199, 1065-1068, doi:10.1126/science.199.4333.1065.
The Mount Agung eruption volcanic eruption in 1963 provides the best-documented global radiative perturbation to the earth's atmosphere currently available. Data on stratospheric aerosols produced by this eruption have been used as input to a model for the atmospheric thermal structure. The computed magnitude, sign, and phase lag of the temperature changes in both the stratosphere and the troposphere are in good agreement with observation, providing evidence that the climatic response to a global radiative perturbation is significant, as well as support for the use of theoretical models to predict climatic effects.
[Link: pubs.giss.nasa.gov...]
The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.
Sinclair has a really good video that mentions it.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:35:42pm |
re: #3 brookly red
so not to point one way or the other but I am wondering how this volcano thing affects all the climate models?
One could consider the effects of the Mount Pinatubo eruption:
Pinatubo Climate Investigation
January 1997
Volcanic eruptions, if large enough, can blast gas and dust into the Earth's lower stratosphere. The strong winds at these altitudes, about 15-25 km, rapidly blow the volcanic material around the world. The main gas emitted by the volcanos, sulfur dioxide, over a period of weeks combines with oxygen and water to form sulfuric acid gas. This gas then condenses into fine droplets or "aerosols" that form a haze, similar to the haze that often reduces visibility in the United States, Europe and other industrialized regions (the tropospheric haze originates mainly from the sulfur in fossil fuels).
Volcanic haze scatters some of the incoming sunlight back to space, thus reducing solar heating of the Earth's surface. This changed heating of the Earth is an example of a "climate forcing". If we can understand how the Earth's climate responds to such volcanic forcing, it may help us predict how climate will change in response to other forcings, such as increasing greenhouse gases.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:36:31pm |
re: #9 albusteve
so be it...NM wines are superb
I was think more of futures... hmmmm might not be a bad time to buy potatoes...
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:38:11pm |
re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote
Sinclair has a really good video that mentions it.
[Video]
/so I guess all those funny light bulbs just got overruled?
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:38:41pm |
re: #12 brookly red
I was think more of futures... hmmm might not be a bad time to buy potatoes...
I do as much potato juice as wine....I combine them half and half, hence
the Purple People Eater
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:39:58pm |
re: #14 albusteve
I do as much potato juice as wine...I combine them half and half, hence
the Purple People Eater
OK I will go long on spuds & corn...
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:40:47pm |
re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote
Note this only relates to the relatively short-term effects.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:41:17pm |
re: #13 brookly red
/so I guess all those funny light bulbs just got overruled?
ON the contrary, there is now even more reason to use them.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:42:21pm |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
ON the contrary, there is now even more reason to use them.
OK, drop spuds & corn pick up energy sector...
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:43:18pm |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
On another note, when volcanos came up the other day, you said they were, in the end, sources of greenhouse gasses (altho' not really comperable to human output). What kinda gasses are we talking about there?
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:43:28pm |
Michael Specter talks denialism
(Phil Plait) I wish everyone on Earth– including Oprah, and Jenny McCarthy, everyone — would take 19 minutes of their lives and watch Michael Specter talk about why science is so important:
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:45:29pm |
re: #16 windsagio
Note this only relates to the relatively short-term effects.
So, it is honestly too soon to say how drastic the effects of this eruption will be in the short term.
however, like I wrote yesterday,
In the short term (months) particulate matter in the atmosphere from the volcano will block out sunlight and cause some cooling over some regions.
How much and where is not yet known precisely.
In the long term (this and subsequent centuries) the massive CO2 release from the volcano will add to the overall warming.
If one is interested seriously in looking at what the signal from such an event is check out:
[Link: pubs.giss.nasa.gov...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:46:44pm |
re: #19 windsagio
On another note, when volcanos came up the other day, you said they were, in the end, sources of greenhouse gasses (altho' not really comperable to human output). What kinda gasses are we talking about there?
All sorts of gasses come out.
CO2 is the most important one for climate change though.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:47:21pm |
re: #20 Shiplord Kirel
Michael Specter talks denialism
[Video]
This is one of my favorite TED talks. Thanks for posting this!
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:47:25pm |
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:48:06pm |
re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote
All sorts of gasses come out.
CO2 is the most important one for climate change though.
in the short term is not the ash the biggest factor?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:48:09pm |
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:48:36pm |
re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote
All sorts of gasses come out.
CO2 is the most important one for climate change though.
Reading here. Looks like Mt. Pinatubo resulted in the release of sulfuric acid (SO2) which became aerosolized. This led to higher ozone levels.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:48:45pm |
re: #27 brookly red
in the short term is not the ash the biggest factor?
see my 21 and please check out the linked papers.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:48:56pm |
re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote
Thank you very much Charles for helping to put the lies and smears to rest.
Science is always at a disadvantage in the public forum because, truth takes time to investigate, while lies are spread much faster.
"That's what you always said father, a lie can run around the world in the time it take the truth to get its boots on, well guess what, the truth has its boots on now and its kicking!"
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:49:03pm |
re: #29 Gus 802
Reading here. Looks like Mt. Pinatubo resulted in the release of sulfuric acid (SO2) which became aerosolized. This led to higher ozone levels.
That too is an issue.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:49:44pm |
re: #28 LudwigVanQuixote
So true.
/if you propose regulating tacos I can not guarantee your safety...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:50:51pm |
re: #33 brookly red
/if you propose regulating tacos I can not guarantee your safety...
I propose prohibiting smoking around those who eat too many as a matter of public safety ;)
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:51:41pm |
Reine - I'm cheating. Using a recipe from my proofreading.
Everyone must buy the cookbook :)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:51:43pm |
Unakite, rather than stealthily down dinging science papers, why not share your "understanding" of what is wrong with them?
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:51:48pm |
re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote
That too is an issue.
Of course Eyafjallajökull is small compared to Pinatubo.
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:52:43pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:53:32pm |
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:53:35pm |
re: #37 Gus 802
Of course Eyafjallajökull is small compared to Pinatubo.
I figured out how to say it...
I-f-all you-locals... :)
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:53:52pm |
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:54:02pm |
OT: Participants ready for tomorrow's open-carry rally outside D.C.
Daniel Almond, a three-tour veteran of Iraq, is ready to "muster outside D.C." on Monday with several dozen other self-proclaimed patriots, all of them armed. They intend to make history as the first people to take their guns to a demonstration in a national park, and the Virginia rally is deliberately being held in sight of the Capitol, just a few miles from the White House.
This is such an awesome idea.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:54:29pm |
re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah, I don't even try. It's the 2010 volcano in Iceland for me.
Copy and paste! ;)
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Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:54:52pm |
re: #42 JasonA
OT: Participants ready for tomorrow's open-carry rally outside D.C.
This is such an awesome idea.
Sarc assumed.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:55:21pm |
re: #42 JasonA
OT: Participants ready for tomorrow's open-carry rally outside D.C.
This is such an awesome idea.
Yes nothing like the prospect of a large gathering of armed Virginians within sight of Washington to put everyone's mind at ease!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:56:41pm |
re: #45 jamesfirecat
Yes nothing like the prospect of a large gathering of armed Virginians within sight of Washington to put everyone's mind at ease!
If only Massa Robert were there to lead them.
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:56:43pm |
re: #44 Decatur Deb
Sarc assumed.
I only use sarc if I deem a post dangerous to my remaining a member of LGF. Otherwise... three sheets to the wind.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:56:52pm |
re: #42 JasonA
OT: Participants ready for tomorrow's open-carry rally outside D.C.
This is such an awesome idea.
Well, I personally hope that they are promptly arrested.
Should do anything stupid, I hope that they are shot as an example.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:57:16pm |
re: #42 JasonA
OT: Participants ready for tomorrow's open-carry rally outside D.C.
This is such an awesome idea.
DC has proven itself to be the wooden headed dummy of the gun scene...Chicago is next I hope...these asses have nothing but contempt for the USSC
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:57:40pm |
re: #45 jamesfirecat
Yes nothing like the prospect of a large gathering of armed Virginians within sight of Washington to put everyone's mind at ease!
I believe it's been done before!
Few hundred years ago ,but ,yep,nothing new.
move along!!
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:57:42pm |
re: #42 JasonA
OT: Participants ready for tomorrow's open-carry rally outside D.C.
This is such an awesome idea.
"Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Freedom"??
I admit, that's a new one to me.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:58:09pm |
re: #45 jamesfirecat
Yes nothing like the prospect of a large gathering of armed Virginians within sight of Washington to put everyone's mind at ease!
ehhh, there are more guns in the park every night than these guys are bringing...
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:58:38pm |
re: #52 Aceofwhat?
"Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Freedom"??
I admit, that's a new one to me.
That one made me do a doubletake too.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:59:35pm |
re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, I personally hope that they are promptly arrested.
Should do anything stupid, I hope that they are shot as an example.
yes, I'm sure you do, and even shot as an example?...what progressive thinking
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:59:38pm |
re: #52 Aceofwhat?
"Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Freedom"??
I admit, that's a new one to me.
never again.
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:00:30pm |
re: #55 albusteve
yes, I'm sure you do, and even shot as an example?...what progressive thinking
Oh please.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:00:35pm |
re: #52 Aceofwhat?
I love this quote from the article!
The brandishing of weapons is "not just an impotent symbol" but "a reminder of who we are," said Almond, who lives outside Atlanta.
Damn straight it is a reminder of what impotent and pathetic fools you are!
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:01:15pm |
re: #55 albusteve
yes, I'm sure you do, and even shot as an example?...what progressive thinking
I'm not 100% on board with his line of thinking, but this is an armed crowd.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:01:24pm |
Almond, 31, considers packing heat on the doorstep of the federal government within the mainstream of political speech.
Others consider it an alarming escalation of paranoia and anger in the age of Obama.
How rare that both sides are correct.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:01:34pm |
re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote
I love this quote from the article!
Damn straight it is a reminder of what impotent and pathetic fools you are!
Its the little things that make life worth living like when a typo makes a statement more truthful...
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:01:46pm |
Hi there.
Hopefully in future scientists will take the high road and let others handle the advocacy.
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Unakite Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:01:51pm |
re: #36 LudwigVanQuixote
Unakite, rather than stealthily down dinging science papers, why not share your "understanding" of what is wrong with them?
OK, stealth upding for being caught. :)
I have some disagreements, but will leave it at that.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:02:46pm |
re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote
I love this quote from the article!
Damn straight it is a reminder of what impotent and pathetic fools you are!
Impotent? That too funny. Maybe he said "important" with a heavy southern accent.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:03:06pm |
re: #60 Decatur Deb
Almond, 31, considers packing heat on the doorstep of the federal government within the mainstream of political speech.
Others consider it an alarming escalation of paranoia and anger in the age of Obama.
How rare that both sides are correct.
guns are like ideas...
/yours are bad, mine are good.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:04:41pm |
re: #59 JasonA
I'm not 100% on board with his line of thinking, but this is an armed crowd.
might better leave them with their rights then, instead of fucking around with them eh?....the Heller ruling was clear enough
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Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:05:20pm |
re: #8 reine.de.tout
Sorry, I'm bouncing between threads and dinner.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:05:28pm |
re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote
I love this quote from the article!
Damn straight it is a reminder of what impotent and pathetic fools you are!
heh...just because he has trouble firing gun #1 doesn't mean that parading gun #2 around in public is the solution...
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:06:21pm |
re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote
I love this quote from the article!
The brandishing of weapons is "not just an impotent symbol" but "a reminder of who we are," said Almond, who lives outside Atlanta.
Damn straight it is a reminder of what impotent and pathetic fools you are!
So are you saying this guy is a nut?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:06:46pm |
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:07:17pm |
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:08:02pm |
re: #67 albusteve
might better leave them with their rights then, instead of fucking around with them eh?...the Heller ruling was clear enough
I just really hope people leave their kids at home for this one. I know it's silly to think that'll happen.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:08:09pm |
re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote
Uh, no. Nobody should get shot. Especially because if shooting starts, then there is the potential for many innocent people dead.
Hopefully you're just being hyperbolic.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:08:28pm |
re: #52 Aceofwhat?
"Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Freedom"??
I admit, that's a new one to me.
They've been around for a while.
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Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:08:37pm |
re: #74 Decatur Deb
Yeah, or distracted kitchen knife work=ouch.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:09:00pm |
This article has been picked by denier blogs, who are using it as proof that the threat of global warming is over.
What they fail to understand is that in spite of diminished solar activity, the planet has continued to warm. This in itself is further proof that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for global warming, otherwise the planet would have been been cooling during this period of lower solar activity.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:09:10pm |
re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote
Also, it's rather wildly off-topic, and the topic is pretty important.
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:09:23pm |
re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig, I'm usually with you, but you really have to take a step back on this one.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:09:45pm |
re: #80 Alouette
Their original name was The Jewish Society for the Freedom To Carry Pots of Greek Fire.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:10:43pm |
re: #52 Aceofwhat?
"Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Freedom"??
I admit, that's a new one to me.
From the ADL (1998):
Revolution and Reality: A Transcript and Analysis of Mark Koernke's "Time is Running Out."
This is not the first time that Koernke has made the allegation that the Gun Control Act of 1968 came from Nazi Germany. In his 1993 video America in Peril he made the assertion that it "was taken from Nazi Germany's control laws of 1938, word for word."
The "source" for this outrageous statement is a small extremist group called the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO). This radical pro-gun group, which ironically consists mostly of non-Jews, shrilly makes the (unsupportable) claim that the Holocaust was caused by gun control.
The JPFO's case was printed in a 135-page booklet published in 1992 titled "Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny." This booklet consists largely of copies of regulations regarding firearms from the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany. Two chapters compare Germany's March 1938 weapons laws to the Gun Control Act of 1968...
There's a Blogmocracy member that actively seeks members for JPFO there.
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:11:15pm |
re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote
The park's in VA, not DC.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:11:24pm |
re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote
If they do anything stupid - as in use their guns, that means shoot them down like the animals they are and dance on their still warm corpses.
Seriously, Ludwig. Not only is that imagery barbaric, it's pretty insensitive to those of us who have lost a loved one through gun violence. Can you please dial it back?
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:11:37pm |
re: #84 JasonA
Ludwig, I'm usually with you, but you really have to take a step back on this one.
/hmmm so much for the teabaggers being the violent ones...
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:11:50pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:11:52pm |
re: #86 Obdicut
Their original name was The Jewish Society for the Freedom To Carry Pots of Greek Fire.
The Judean People's Front
or The Popular Front for Judea
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Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:11:59pm |
re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote
That also means that if they do anything stupid with those guns, they need to be shot, right there, in the head preferably, and let the national news go ape showing their bullet riddled corpses so the next set of teabag idiots who thinks this is clever understands the social contract.
I am not a teabag idiot, but I do believe there is a reason why the amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech and assembly is immediately followed by the one guaranteeing the right to keep and bear arms.
It is used and abused by both sides for rhetorical point-scoring, but I oppose the kind of restrictive carry laws in effect here in Maryland. Basically, the law says you can apply for a permit, but the fine print tells you not to bother.
When and if I decide that I need to carry, either on a one-off basis or regularly, I shall consider it my inalienable constitutional right to do so.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:12:11pm |
re: #88 Gus 802
There's a Blogmocracy member that actively seeks members for JPFO there.
Astro-treif?
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:12:33pm |
re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, I personally hope that they are promptly arrested.
Should do anything stupid, I hope that they are shot as an example.
May I point out what a few are missing...
"Brandishing" a firearm is the same as exercising your 2nd Amendment
right to bear arms!
Brandishing does not equal being armed!
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:13:00pm |
re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote
You don't dance on their corpses. Nobody dances on corpses, unless they're a psychopath.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:13:01pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:13:17pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:13:24pm |
re: #89 JasonA
The park's in VA, not DC.
Well then it is probably legal for them to have their weapons there.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:13:31pm |
re: #99 Obdicut
You don't dance on their corpses. Nobody dances on corpses, unless they're a psychopath.
Thank you.
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Renaissance_Man Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:13:38pm |
I consider the spate of protesters going around armed as a form of 'self-expression' to be proof positive that the current anti-government movement is based on fantasy rather than fact. Not a single challenge to gun ownership, yet suddenly they feel 'under attack' and immediately grab for their guns to feel better.
Obama got panned, more or less correctly, for making a statement about angry people bitterly clinging to guns. How ironic that it turned out to be prophetic.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:15:03pm |
re: #98 reloadingisnotahobby
May I point out what a few are missing...
"Brandishing" a firearm is the same as exercising your 2nd Amendment
right to bear arms!
Brandishing does not equal being armed!
Almond plans to have his pistol loaded and openly carried, his rifle unloaded and slung to the rear, a bandoleer of magazines containing ammunition draped over his polo-shirted shoulder. The Atlanta-area real-estate agent organized the rally because he is upset about healthcare, climate control, bank bailouts, drug laws and what he sees as President Obama's insistence on and the Democratic Congress's capitulation to a "totalitarian socialism" that tramples individual rights.
Since this is Virginia and not DC it does make a difference. However, this is certainly skirting the line of armed vs. brandishing no?
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:15:38pm |
re: #105 Renaissance_Man
I consider the spate of protesters going around armed as a form of 'self-expression' to be proof positive that the current anti-government movement is based on fantasy rather than fact. Not a single challenge to gun ownership, yet suddenly they feel 'under attack' and immediately grab for their guns to feel better.
Obama got panned, more or less correctly, for making a statement about angry people bitterly clinging to guns. How ironic that it turned out to be prophetic.
DC is resisting the Heller ruling our of sheer arrogance, forcing the USSC to make yet another ruling and the people are sick and tired of these games
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:16:08pm |
re: #59 JasonA
I'm not 100% on board with his line of thinking, but this is an armed crowd.
How scary.
I am surprised all my fellow Texans are not hiding under their beds, guns being kinda ubiquitous and such round here.
Why, I have to check my six just getting to my car in the drive every morning.
Shoot em! Shoot em in the haid!
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:16:08pm |
re: #70 brookly red
well that is the point it is no longer unlawful to carry in a National Park...
Exactly!!
Mag capacities all legal? Check
M16 unloaded with no high cap mags?Check
Leave the hand gun holstered,and the rifle on your back!
Have a nice demonstration and please don't litter !
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Racer X Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:17:41pm |
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:18:09pm |
re: #106 LudwigVanQuixote
Since this is Virginia and not DC it does make a difference. However, this is certainly skirting the line of armed vs. brandishing no?
I think some are missing the point. This gathering is being supported by at least two known extremist groups: JPFO and Oathkeepers.
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:18:35pm |
But if I show up with a sheathed sword, I'd be arrested on the spot.
Boo.
:)
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Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:20:12pm |
re: #114 Varek Raith
But if I show up with a sheathed sword, I'd be arrested on the spot.
Boo.
:)
Grand Raggedness and Attempt to Go Anachronistic.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:20:15pm |
re: #114 Varek Raith
A guy in PDX was shot last year for menacing the police with a sword >>
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:21:10pm |
re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote
"Due Process" is "the principle that the government must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person according to the law". In the case of criminals, that means a trial.
Of course one must respond in self-defense if one's own life (or the lives of loved ones) is threatened. But I seem to recall being told I belong in North Korea for tholding that opinion in a different thread on a different day.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:21:49pm |
re: #118 reine.de.tout
Oh, hell, I double posted a part of a previous post, sorry folks, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:22:05pm |
re: #86 Obdicut
Their original name was The Jewish Society for the Freedom To Carry Pots of Greek Fire.
Actually, in the earlier Middle Ages, the right to carry arms was one of the things European Jewish communities negotiated for most aggressively. The fear was always that after a generation or two, they'd decide you were serfs, and you wouldn't be allowed to move the community along. Hence, a concern over the right to bear arms.
Well, that, and the general usefulness of arms in the earlier Middle Ages.
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Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:23:18pm |
re: #120 reine.de.tout
Heh. I'm not the only distracted poster today. :)>
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:23:43pm |
re: #106 LudwigVanQuixote
Believe me!!
I missed a "not" in there!
Brandishing is handling a "Weapon" in a threatening manner!
When I walk into a store with my 357 on my hip,concealed or open
are you defining THAT as brandishing?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:23:48pm |
re: #99 Obdicut
You don't dance on their corpses. Nobody dances on corpses, unless they're a psychopath.
And when psychopaths do it, they twist their ankles, and are sad and sorry psychopaths.
I guess you could dance around the corpses, rather than actually on them, but that's both macabre and wussy.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:23:53pm |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
It was part of the "What class are they, really?" aspect of Jews, too; peasantry by and large weren't allowed to carry arms, so if you let Jews carry arms, then the peasants are 'lower' than the Jews in some way, and that tended to make the peasantry riot-y.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:23:57pm |
I'd like the subject to take another direction...the gun thing is way too hot
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:24:03pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
seriously. and lotsa terrorists have used their guns against us. we still have some of them in captivity, IIRC. is this where we sign people up to support killing them en masse and subsequently dancing on their steaming carcasses?
because i'm having a tough time with the distinction...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:24:26pm |
re: #105 Renaissance_Man
I consider the spate of protesters going around armed as a form of 'self-expression' to be proof positive that the current anti-government movement is based on fantasy rather than fact. Not a single challenge to gun ownership, yet suddenly they feel 'under attack' and immediately grab for their guns to feel better.
Obama got panned, more or less correctly, for making a statement about angry people bitterly clinging to guns. How ironic that it turned out to be prophetic.
The Tea Party movement is not about facts. It is about how people feel.
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pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:24:31pm |
[Link: www.theaustralian.com.au...]
Forget AGW. Iran warns that fooling around causes earthquakes!
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Unakite Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:24:36pm |
re: #76 Obdicut
Why leave it at that? Why not express your disagreements?
Cop out.
With respect, I and others have and it then tends to turn into a free-for-all. I was just responding to LVQ's stealth downding post, and I still got downdinged for being civil.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:24:37pm |
re: #123 reloadingisnotahobby
I'd call it 'lame posturing', or maybe 'compensation'.
Brandishing? Not so much.
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:24:38pm |
re: #98 reloadingisnotahobby
May I point out what a few are missing...
"Brandishing" a firearm NOT is the same as exercising your 2nd Amendment
right to bear arms!
Brandishing does not equal being armed!
What I meant to say...
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Racer X Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:25:08pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
The Tea Party movement is not about facts. It is about how people feel.
Trying to remember where I've heard this before.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:25:13pm |
re: #131 pingjockey
[Link: www.theaustralian.com.au...]
Forget AGW. Iran warns that fooling around causes earthquakes!
only if you do it right ;)
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:25:21pm |
re: #130 reine.de.tout
Thanks, I'm building up a library so I can change regularly :D
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:25:21pm |
re: #131 pingjockey
[Link: www.theaustralian.com.au...]
Forget AGW. Iran warns that fooling around causes earthquakes!
Achmed Robertson???
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:25:38pm |
re: #114 Varek Raith
But if I show up with a sheathed sword, I'd be arrested on the spot.
Boo.
:)
Well, we can't have CRAZY people going around armed.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:25:44pm |
re: #94 Cato the Elder
When and if I decide that I need to carry, either on a one-off basis or regularly, I shall consider it my inalienable constitutional right to do so.
This is what I do in Wisconsin where they tell me it's a misdemeanor to CC a firearm and the cops will hassle you if you open carry.
In the end, every bit of the constitution has been abused and broken over the years of our experiment. But it does remain the best variation on government available in the world.
William
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:25:55pm |
re: #132 Unakite
Don't assume why people gave you a downding. I did it for failing to state the reason why you gave Ludwig a stealth downding-- or, for the matter, the many, many stealth downdings you've given him, and me, in the past, on the subject of AGW.
If you've got an argument to make, make it. If it turns into a 'free-for-all': don't be scared, they're just words.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:26:22pm |
re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist
Seattle also had a crazy sword guy. He was cool, dressed like Conan.
Died of natural causes, if I remember right.
/does every city have one?
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:27:01pm |
re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, we can't have CRAZY people going around armed.
*Hurls bolts of Force Lightning about the neighbor hood*
WHOS CRAZY?! NOT ME!!??
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:27:18pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:27:54pm |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, in the earlier Middle Ages, the right to carry arms was one of the things European Jewish communities negotiated for most aggressively. The fear was always that after a generation or two, they'd decide you were serfs, and you wouldn't be allowed to move the community along. Hence, a concern over the right to bear arms.
Well, that, and the general usefulness of arms in the earlier Middle Ages.
that makes perfect sense. it's just that this particular group seemed odd...then someone helpfully posted that their membership is mostly non-Jewish. I'm not surprised;)
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:28:08pm |
re: #143 windsagio
Seattle also had a crazy sword guy. He was cool, dressed like Conan.
Died of natural causes, if I remember right.
/does every city have one?
In NYC do something stupid and having the cops shoot you is considered a natural cause...
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Unakite Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:28:12pm |
re: #142 Obdicut
Don't assume why people gave you a downding. I did it for failing to state the reason why you gave Ludwig a stealth downding-- or, for the matter, the many, many stealth downdings you've given him, and me, in the past, on the subject of AGW.
If you've got an argument to make, make it. If it turns into a 'free-for-all': don't be scared, they're just words.
Upding to you too. But guess what, I've received my share of stealth downdings too, without followup engagement.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:28:35pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:28:36pm |
re: #131 pingjockey
[Link: www.theaustralian.com.au...]
Forget AGW. Iran warns that fooling around causes earthquakes!
yeah, i get that a lot/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:28:42pm |
re: #126 Obdicut
It was part of the "What class are they, really?" aspect of Jews, too; peasantry by and large weren't allowed to carry arms, so if you let Jews carry arms, then the peasants are 'lower' than the Jews in some way, and that tended to make the peasantry riot-y.
Also, tends to depend on the level of development--when there is no indigenous middle-class merchant group, the Jews are regarded as a sort of specialist caste, and given more leeway. Once they're competing with Christian merchants, it tends to get ugly quite fast.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:28:46pm |
re: #145 Varek Raith
*Hurls bolts of Force Lightning about the neighbor hood*
WHOS CRAZY?! NOT ME!!??
Excuse me. But is that bolt of lightning registered?
/
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pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:29:06pm |
re: #139 Varek Raith
I believe it's actually Yasser al Robertson.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:29:12pm |
re: #150 Unakite
I still would like to know what argument you have against the papers that Ludwig posted.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:29:12pm |
re: #151 Racer X
Everyone hold still - Stinky's on a rampage.
he should be...some very nasty stuff up there
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:29:31pm |
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Renaissance_Man Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:29:35pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
The Tea Party movement is not about facts. It is about how people feel.
It is. And it's obvious why they feel that way. In a just world, the reasons why they feel that way would be exposed for all to see and spelled out.
And then those reasons would be banned from broadcasting.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:29:47pm |
re: #152 windsagio
Another reason that city sucks!
thanks ;)
it's awful please don't ever come here...
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Unakite Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:30:15pm |
re: #142 Obdicut
Don't assume why people gave you a downding. I did it for failing to state the reason why you gave Ludwig a stealth downding-- or, for the matter, the many, many stealth downdings you've given him, and me, in the past, on the subject of AGW.
If you've got an argument to make, make it. If it turns into a 'free-for-all': don't be scared, they're just words.
By the way, got deleted for telling LVQ he was wrong on his shooting comment.
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:30:20pm |
Just having a weapon and resisting arrest is not enough justification in most cop shops to send bullets winging. There are rules of engagement, and in situations such as demonstrations our police officials are going to be extremely careful about firing upon anyone. There are a multitude of reasons, but the most obvious is that you might get bystanders.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:30:24pm |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
I was just reading a historical account about some Aremenian Jewish traders who hired Sikh bodyguards. That sounded like a good match.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:30:27pm |
re: #150 Unakite
Upding to you too. But guess what, I've received my share of stealth downdings too, without followup engagement.
As have I.
I've found it useful to ignore those.
And simply be happy for any updings.
Live is much easier.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:30:32pm |
re: #147 Aceofwhat?
that makes perfect sense. it's just that this particular group seemed odd...then someone helpfully posted that their membership is mostly non-Jewish. I'm not surprised;)
Oh, bloody figures, doesn't it?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:30:38pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:30:47pm |
re: #149 brookly red
In NYC do something stupid and having the cops shoot you is considered a natural cause...
"Being murdered is natural causes for a king."
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:31:06pm |
re: #158 albusteve
he should be...some very nasty stuff up there
well it all comes out in the wash...
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:31:09pm |
More craziness from Pat Dollard:
Obama's Consequence Management Response Force Ready to Deploy Against Americans in October
In October of this year, one month prior to the November midterm elections, a special army unit known as ‘Consequence Management Response Force’ will be ready for deployment on American soil if so ordered by the President.The special force, which is the new name being given to the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry, has been training at Fort Stewart, Georgia and is composed of 80,000 troops.
It is most likely that he pulled the number 80,000 out of his a$$.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:31:13pm |
re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist
Where have you heard it before?
heard it through the grapevine
and I'm just about to lose my mind
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Unakite Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:31:51pm |
re: #168 reine.de.tout
As have I.
I've found it useful to ignore those.
And simply be happy for any updings.
Live is much easier.
Thanks, will follow your advice. :)
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:31:51pm |
re: #147 Aceofwhat?
that makes perfect sense. it's just that this particular group seemed odd...then someone helpfully posted that their membership is mostly non-Jewish. I'm not surprised;)
JINO's.
/
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:32:12pm |
re: #168 reine.de.tout
I kinda sometimes thing that having to explain every downding just perpetuates the rage, and often isn't helpful.
The real problem is people that go through whole threads and ding freely without actually taking part in the discussion in anyway.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:32:12pm |
re: #167 Obdicut
I was just reading a historical account about some Aremenian Jewish traders who hired Sikh bodyguards. That sounded like a good match.
Where did you see this? Sounds very interesting.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:32:45pm |
re: #165 Unakite
By the way, got deleted for telling LVQ he was wrong on his shooting comment.
did you quote Van Quote?
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pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:33:15pm |
re: #173 Reginald Perrin
He did. The real number is 800. Some people are doing to Obama what some did to Bush. "he's gonna cancel the elelection,
declare marshal law, etc...". Knotheads.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:33:34pm |
re: #173 Reginald Perrin
More craziness from Pat Dollard:
Obama's Consequence Management Response Force Ready to Deploy Against Americans in October
It is most likely that he pulled the number 80,000 out of his a$$.
Really?
Oh, lookie here...
Consequence Management Response Force to join Army Northern Command
Sep 15, 2008
BY Army News Service
WASHINGTON -- As America remembers the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of 9/11, more than 800 members of a joint response force are preparing for their new mission of responding to CBRNE, or chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosive incidents.
Elements of the force, known as the CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF, assembled at Fort Stewart, Ga., Sept. 8-19 for a command post exercise called Vibrant Response...
Notice the year, 2008.
What a bunch of blockheads.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:33:36pm |
re: #165 Unakite
By the way, got deleted for telling LVQ he was wrong on his shooting comment.
So did I.
Probably for quoting though.
Again - don't worry about things that don't need to be worried about.
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:33:37pm |
re: #165 Unakite
By the way, got deleted for telling LVQ he was wrong on his shooting comment.
You got deleted for quoting him. As did reine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:33:41pm |
re: #173 Reginald Perrin
More craziness from Pat Dollard:
Obama's Consequence Management Response Force Ready to Deploy Against Americans in October
In October of this year, one month prior to the November midterm elections, a special army unit known as ‘Consequence Management Response Force’ will be ready for deployment on American soil if so ordered by the President.The special force, which is the new name being given to the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry, has been training at Fort Stewart, Georgia and is composed of 80,000 troops.
It is most likely that he pulled the number 80,000 out of his a$$.
Is this
a. real
and
if a. then
b. the same thing Bush was talking about doing that made Naomi Klein so hysterical, or is it something else?
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Racer X Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:34:43pm |
re: #173 Reginald Perrin
Holy Carp! Some of the comments there are creepy.
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:35:40pm |
re: #184 Varek Raith
You got deleted for quoting him. As did reine.
Er, not that you or reine said anything bad.
Sheesh, I fail.
:)
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:36:46pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm trying to remember more exactly. I'll ask my dad, he'll probably remember, it was in a bunch of articles he sent me. He's working on something about the 'traveler's tale' narrative form, the pre-novel. It was referenced as an example-- but I think the actual source was in the bibliography.
Remind me about it if I forget.
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Racer X Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:37:03pm |
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:37:09pm |
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:37:27pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:37:33pm |
re: #179 windsagio
re:147
That's just weird.
I know. The only think i can think of is that the members think that joining a Jewish firearms group lends them more credibility. Still, it's kind of a creepy thing to do - join a group not of one's religion just to pimp firearms. Isn't that what the NRA is for?
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:37:37pm |
re: #192 Racer X
if that was a goal, it was a little blatant.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:38:07pm |
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:38:24pm |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
Well what religion is the NRA?
The idea that being jewish gives you bona fides for any cause, is amazing and crazy :D
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:38:29pm |
re: #173 Reginald Perrin
More craziness from Pat Dollard:
...
It is most likely that he pulled the number 80,000 out of his a$$.
only that part?
//
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Racer X Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:38:39pm |
re: #196 windsagio
if that was a goal, it was a little blatant.
Steve loves them. He eats them like popcorn while sitting on the couch watching TV.
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:38:46pm |
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:38:56pm |
feel free to downding albusteve, often and with malice
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:39:05pm |
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:39:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:39:23pm |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
I know. The only think i can think of is that the members think that joining a Jewish firearms group lends them more credibility. Still, it's kind of a creepy thing to do - join a group not of one's religion just to pimp firearms. Isn't that what the NRA is for?
Some gun nuts (and I use the word in a sense that include most of my family), are just into the idea of helping out people they see as being vulnerable by arming them to the teeth. Women, usually, but Jews could also fall into the category. They're being helpful, it can just sometimes seem sort of startling.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:39:51pm |
re: #198 windsagio
Well what religion is the NRA?
The idea that being jewish gives you bona fides for any cause, is amazing and crazy :D
That's what i mean - the NRA is nonreligious (although it won't bother me in the least if anyone wants to speculate about which religion is likely predominant there;)
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:39:59pm |
re: #173 Reginald Perrin
More craziness from Pat Dollard:
Obama's Consequence Management Response Force Ready to Deploy Against Americans in October
It is most likely that he pulled the number 80,000 out of his a$$.
Here's something more specific and in context with Pat Dollard's propagandist misinformation:
Today, the Third Infantry Division is preparing for new missions and upcoming deployments. Since October 1, 2007 the 1st Brigade Combat Team has trained as part of CCMRF, the U.S. Northern Command's Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and high-yield Explosive Consequence Management Response Force. If such an incident were to occur in the US, it would deploy as the Department of Defense's initial response force to support civil authorities in saving lives, preventing further injury, and providing temporary critical life support. After March 2009 the 4th Brigade Combat Team will begin to transition from a heavy bridge combat team with armor and mechanized infantry units to a lighter infantry brigade combat team. In the process it will lose the 4th Battalion, 64th Armor and gain the 3d Battalion, 15th Infantry. The 3ID is also preparing for the addition of a 5th Brigade Combat Team at Fort Stewart. In the fall 2009 3ID Headquarters, 2nd Brigade Combat Team and 3rd Brigade Combat Team will deploy to Iraq for their fourth tour in that country while other units may deploy to Afghanistan.
So to repeat. The 1st Brigade Combat Team has been training with the Consequence Management Response Force since October of 2007.
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:40:03pm |
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:40:10pm |
re: #200 Racer X
Man, I bet I could get a -20 post with nobody knowing I was fishing!
*without getting banned!
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:40:30pm |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
I know. The only think i can think of is that the members think that joining a Jewish firearms group lends them more credibility. Still, it's kind of a creepy thing to do - join a group not of one's religion just to pimp firearms. Isn't that what the NRA is for?
What about the Pink Pistols gay gun club?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:40:39pm |
re: #177 windsagio
I kinda sometimes thing that having to explain every downding just perpetuates the rage, and often isn't helpful.
The real problem is people that go through whole threads and ding freely without actually taking part in the discussion in anyway.
Again, I've learned to ignore. If they have nothing to say, then - the ding means nothing, or could mean anything since no one will ever know the reason for it. Had a guy, I no longer see him around, used to go through every thread a day or two later, and down ding almost every one of my comments. LOL. Like - that was supposed to MEAN something?
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:41:14pm |
re: #127 albusteve
I'd like the subject to take another direction...the gun thing is way too hot
Blatantly steering for a bob thread?
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:41:27pm |
re: #211 reine.de.tout
You know me, I like calling folks out ;)
Your strategy is probably more effective tho'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:41:31pm |
re: #206 Aceofwhat?
That's what i mean - the NRA is nonreligious (although it won't bother me in the least if anyone wants to speculate about which religion is likely predominant there;)
I'm assuming most NRA people are religious or cultural Protestants of some kind, on account of most Americans are, but I don't think that's really part of their, you know, agenda.
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:41:52pm |
re: #212 reloadingisnotahobby
Blatantly steering for a bob thread?
I quit!!
I can't even spell BOOB!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:41:57pm |
re: #187 Varek Raith
Er, not that you or reine said anything bad.
Sheesh, I fail.
:)
No, you don't!
Fast and furious threads leave me breathless, easy to not make a complete thought.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:41:59pm |
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freetoken Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:42:14pm |
BTW, strange weather here in SD the past couple of days. Feels more like Japan than San Diego - the joys of a strong El Nino, fading though it is.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:42:35pm |
re: #213 windsagio
You know me, I like calling folks out ;)
Your strategy is probably more effective tho'.
It is for my own peace of mind, that's for sure!
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:42:52pm |
re: #218 freetoken
BTW, strange weather here in SD the past couple of days. Feels more like Japan than San Diego - the joys of a strong El Nino, fading though it is.
You are getting the storm-like marine layer? Or it might rain, never can tell.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:43:03pm |
All right, sorry, I was cranky and I misread the article earlier. I over-reacted.
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:43:04pm |
re: #206 Aceofwhat?
That's what i mean - the NRA is nonreligious (although it won't bother me in the least if anyone wants to speculate about which religion is likely predominant there;)
Here's a hint....
It's not Muslim!
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:43:05pm |
re: #215 reloadingisnotahobby
I quit!!
I can't even spell BOOB!
so who is this nice Robert fellow you speak of? does he like gladiator movies?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:43:24pm |
re: #207 Gus 802
So to repeat. The 1st Brigade Combat Team has been training with the Consequence Management Response Force since October of 2007.
I think this must be the thing Naomi Wolf (sorry, it was Wolf, not Klein) was ranting about then. She was very, very, upset.
Of course, she was also upset because the Bush administration was intercepting the letters she sent to her kids at camp. So, you know, I took the whole troops in the streets shooting down civilians as Bush was crowned Emperor of America and the Outremer Lands with kind of a grain of salt.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:43:26pm |
re: #207 Gus 802
Wow. Par Dollard has gone full fledged Alex Jones-style loony.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:43:47pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:44:01pm |
re: #221 LudwigVanQuixote
All right, sorry, I was cranky and I misread the article earlier. I over-reacted.
Mr. CrankyPants, that you?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:44:08pm |
re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist
Some gun nuts (and I use the word in a sense that include most of my family), are just into the idea of helping out people they see as being vulnerable by arming them to the teeth. Women, usually, but Jews could also fall into the category. They're being helpful, it can just sometimes seem sort of startling.
Nothing wrong with a woman packing heat!
The context simply smacked of the brand of crazy we're more apt to find among the fringes of my religion these days...a suspicion which was strengthened when i read about the predominantly non-Jewish membership.
sigh.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:44:22pm |
when I was a hatchling, I made some stupid comments....Charles comes to me and says "here, you bonehead, you're gonna need this if you want to survive the depths, don't fuck it up"....I unwrapped a shiny new set of Lizard Armor
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freetoken Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:44:40pm |
re: #220 Stanley Sea
The usual air flow is from the NW, or a "santa ana". When we get air masses coming in from the south, SD starts taking on a tropical feel.
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:01pm |
re: #221 LudwigVanQuixote
All right, sorry, I was cranky and I misread the article earlier. I over-reacted.
( As I holster my gun) Apology accepted!!
Peace!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:08pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:10pm |
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:18pm |
re: #221 LudwigVanQuixote
All right, sorry, I was cranky and I misread the article earlier. I over-reacted.
I don't know I am still afraid to go to the park...
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bratwurst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:22pm |
re: #210 Alouette
What about the Pink Pistols gay gun club?
AKA "The gang that couldn't shoot straight"
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Unakite Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:24pm |
re: #183 reine.de.tout
So did I.
Probably for quoting though.
Again - don't worry about things that don't need to be worried about.
Thanks again, you're right and forgot about the quote part.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:25pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:38pm |
re: #228 Aceofwhat?
Nothing wrong with a woman packing heat!
The context simply smacked of the brand of crazy we're more apt to find among the fringes of my religion these days...a suspicion which was strengthened when i read about the predominantly non-Jewish membership.
sigh.
Yeah, I know the guys you're talking about...:)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:43pm |
re: #231 reloadingisnotahobby
( As I holster my gun) Apology accepted!!
Peace!
Lol, I do wish we would go back to swords. Much more elegant, no jamming and no stray shots.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:45:47pm |
re: #210 Alouette
What about the Pink Pistols gay gun club?
Ha! "Armed gays don't get bashed." It's funny 'cause it's true!
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:46:09pm |
re: #225 Killgore Trout
Wow. Par Dollard has gone full fledged Alex Jones-style loony.
He's been there a while. Funny thing is that he was one of the ones who used to scream that we had no border protection, no response to domestic terror etc.
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Unakite Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:46:24pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:46:37pm |
Here's a sample comment from Dollard's site....
There will be no real need for these troops. This movement is mostly tax paying white folks. They are just a little upset over the government not paying attention to them at all, while catering to 13% of the population. They will get over it quickly ,when they see troops show up. They have totally forgotten their Viking heritage.
They quickly scatter like frightened rabbits when someone shouts “racist” or “homophobe”. They are not as dedicated to their cause as the minority opposition.
After all you took their property rights through “Civil Rights”. They took it.
You took away their jobs through “Affirmative Action”. They took it.
You took away their hard earned money through numerous “Entitlement Programs”. They took it.
You openly flaunt in front of them, that they are “Bad”, “Selfish”, “Guilty” of wrong doing, even though they are the most giving country on earth… and they take it.
Minorities :agitate, persist, resist, coordinate, demand.
These are spooky folks.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:46:43pm |
re: #235 bratwurst
AKA "The gang that couldn't shoot straight"
Anyone else remember a movie, I think it was called "Jeffrey"? It includes Patrick Stewart as a member of a sort of gay Guardian Angels group, in a pink beret.
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Renaissance_Man Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:46:47pm |
re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote
Lol, I do wish we would go back to swords. Much more elegant, no jamming and no stray shots.
And you never hear of mass knifings by a crazed swordsman in a mall.
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:46:52pm |
Hitchens vs the odious Perkins on National Prayer day
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:46:58pm |
re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote
Lol, I do wish we would go back to swords. Much more elegant, no jamming and no stray shots.
and no loud noises...
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:47:10pm |
re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist
I think this must be the thing Naomi Wolf (sorry, it was Wolf, not Klein) was ranting about then. She was very, very, upset.
Of course, she was also upset because the Bush administration was intercepting the letters she sent to her kids at camp. So, you know, I took the whole troops in the streets shooting down civilians as Bush was crowned Emperor of America and the Outremer Lands with kind of a grain of salt.
I remember the letter's being opened paranoia on the part of Naomi Wolf. She's missing more than a few marbles. I don't remember the specifics on this at the time but it was made to look like a "domestic army that will squash dissent under marshal law" or some such lunacy. She fits right in with the Alex Jones crowd and now, oddly enough, with the Patriot movement.
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Unakite Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:47:10pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:48:06pm |
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:48:19pm |
re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote
Lol, I do wish we would go back to swords. Much more elegant, no jamming and no stray shots.
you just have a violence thing going on that just can't be hidden... I don't know.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:48:35pm |
re: #241 Thanos
He's been there a while. Funny thing is that he was one of the ones who used to scream that we had no border protection, no response to domestic terror etc.
Crazy Pam has jumped on that bandwagon too. I think the entire Republican party has weakened significantly on national security since the election. The conservative base is more afraid of Obama than foreign enemies at this point. .
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:49:00pm |
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:49:29pm |
re: #240 Aceofwhat?
Ha! "Armed gays don't get bashed." It's funny 'cause it's true!
armed ____ don't get bashed... that's why we got the 2nd...
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:49:58pm |
re: #251 reloadingisnotahobby
I'll go with the bow for stealth Alex!
Pffttt. Stealth is overrated!
KAZE NO KIZU!!!!
:P
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:50:00pm |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
Here's a sample comment from Dollard's site...
These are spooky folks.
Hmm. That reads like soft Klan rhetoric. Took away property rights through the Civil Rights act?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:50:08pm |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
Here's a sample comment from Dollard's site...
These are spooky folks.
As if that crap isn't racist at all... Viking heritage, us vs. them in the context of equal civil rights? What exactly did civil rights take from them. This reads exactly like stormfront and it is exactly why I am shall we say less than merciful in my views of these sorts.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:50:09pm |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
Here's a sample comment from Dollard's site...
These are spooky folks.
VIKING HERITAGE.
Oh, three guesses where this one is coming from.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:50:47pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:50:48pm |
re: #253 Killgore Trout
I left you a neat food link at #331 downstairs.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:51:00pm |
re: #252 brookly red
you just have a violence thing going on that just can't be hidden... I don't know.
I'd like to think it's just the internet talking.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:51:00pm |
re: #210 Alouette
What about the Pink Pistols gay gun club?
one wonders if the guns go in the closet at night...
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:51:44pm |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
I read a story on Dollard years ago in Vanity Fair (yeah, they have good articles, especially the financial melt down ones lately) and Dollard according to this article is a major wacko. His website brings all the "warriors".
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:51:46pm |
OK so can someone fill me in on why liking ham is so offensive to the teabaggers. I would have thought that most tea party people like ham.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:52:08pm |
re: #245 Renaissance_Man
And you never hear of mass knifings by a crazed swordsman in a mall.
well, of course not. he gets shot.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:52:09pm |
re: #260 Gus 802
GoV
My rabbi used to like to talk about the gates of Vienna, before he retired. But he was German, and had learned it in school, and had a much cuter accent than most of these folks.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:52:13pm |
re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist
VIKING HERITAGE.
Oh, three guesses where this one is coming from.
Viking heritage?
I'm afraid to ask what that means, kind of...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:53:28pm |
re: #267 windsagio
It implies they're absurd.
I get that part. I was wondering though if there were some specific thing about it though. Something like grand teabag poohbahs declaring that someone they didn't like was akin to ham and now liking ham is a sin?
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:53:36pm |
re: #262 Spare O'Lake
I'd like to think it's just the internet talking.
I am sure it is... but the violence thing is a scared cow. Especially after implying that others are motivated by it. tsk, tsk
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:53:54pm |
re: #266 LudwigVanQuixote
OK so can someone fill me in on why liking ham is so offensive to the teabaggers. I would have thought that most tea party people like ham.
There's something not kosher about that sign.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:54:03pm |
re: #266 LudwigVanQuixote
OK so can someone fill me in on why liking ham is so offensive to the teabaggers. I would have thought that most tea party people like ham.
They just can't handle being made fun of, it seems. Even a little.
Or maybe they hated his enormous gay hat.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:54:05pm |
re: #272 LudwigVanQuixote
I wish it were that cool.
How about this, "they hate anything that's outside".
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:54:34pm |
re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist
My rabbi used to like to talk about the gates of Vienna, before he retired. But he was German, and had learned it in school, and had a much cuter accent than most of these folks.
Right. Of course I meant the website, Fjordman, etc. ;)
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freetoken Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:54:47pm |
re: #253 Killgore Trout
The sekrit muslim marxist is the greatest threat this country has every known! You've just been brainwashed by some sekrit astroturf organization set up by Cass Sunstein!(1)
(1) The latest claim by Erik the Rednose Reindeer.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:55:10pm |
re: #272 LudwigVanQuixote
I get that part. I was wondering though if there were some specific thing about it though. Something like grand teabag poohbahs declaring that someone they didn't like was akin to ham and now liking ham is a sin?
I hope not...i already have enough to ask forgiveness for...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:55:37pm |
re: #274 Spare O'Lake
There's something not kosher about that sign.
That is true. I do not like ham. No Sam I am, I do not like ham...
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:55:44pm |
for the younger set...you have no idea how smokin hot these guys were back in the day...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:55:50pm |
re: #270 Floral Giraffe
Viking heritage?
I'm afraid to ask what that means, kind of...
White warrior folk from the North, basically. It's all kinds of racist code for who they fantasize white people are supposed to be.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:56:23pm |
re: #273 brookly red
I am sure it is... but the violence thing is a scared cow. Especially after implying that others are motivated by it. tsk, tsk
violence is a frightened bovine?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:56:29pm |
re: #273 brookly red
I am sure it is... but the violence thing is a scared cow. Especially after implying that others are motivated by it. tsk, tsk
Was that supposed to be 'scared cow', or did you mean 'sacred'?
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:56:34pm |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm seriously hoping it means they're into Asartu, but I presume its nothing that cool.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:56:38pm |
re: #278 freetoken
The sekrit muslim marxist is the greatest threat this country has every known! You've just been brainwashed by some sekrit astroturf organization set up by Cass Sunstein!(1)
(1) The latest claim by Erik the Rednose Reindeer.
Instadouche is linking to that one today. What a bunch of idiots.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:56:51pm |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
White warrior folk from the North, basically. It's all kinds of racist code for who they fantasize white people are supposed to be.
Do they get to wear the cool hats with horns too?
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:56:55pm |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
Here's a sample comment from Dollard's site...
These are spooky folks.
I really detest how Norse and Norse culture is being totally co-opted by white supremists like this person. Pisses me off.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:56:58pm |
Cripes. Anyone see this from Wiki?
His articles, which are often lengthy, are widely quoted in various anti-Muslim blogs and right-wing sites, such as Global Politician[7], FrontPageMag[8], Jihad Watch[9], Brussels Journal[10], Faith Freedom International[11], Little Green Footballs[12], Free Republic and Daily Pundit[13] among others, and quite often printed verbatim. However, in early 2009 he was stopped being linked to by Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs due to his support for fascist political parties such as Vlaams Belang and the Sweden Democrats.
I think that deserves to be edited.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:57:15pm |
re: #286 Killgore Trout
Instadouche is linking to that one today. What a bunch of idiots.
Instadouche!
hahahaha!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:57:41pm |
re: #289 Gus 802
See you in a bit, then!
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:58:16pm |
re: #270 Floral Giraffe
Viking heritage?
I'm afraid to ask what that means, kind of...
It's a reference to Norse culture. It's a total white nationalist thing. That's the big clue to exactly where this persons head is at.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:58:39pm |
In case anyone is in too good a mood, here's a terrible story that should bring you right down.
Clay and his partner of 20 years, Harold, lived in California. Clay and Harold made diligent efforts to protect their legal rights, and had their legal paperwork in place—wills, powers of attorney, and medical directives, all naming each other. Harold was 88 years old and in frail medical condition, but still living at home with Clay, 77, who was in good health.
One evening, Harold fell down the front steps of their home and was taken to the hospital. Based on their medical directives alone, Clay should have been consulted in Harold’s care from the first moment. Tragically, county and health care workers instead refused to allow Clay to see Harold in the hospital. The county then ultimately went one step further by isolating the couple from each other, placing the men in separate nursing homes.
It gets worse.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:59:01pm |
re: #131 pingjockey
Forget AGW. Iran warns that fooling around causes earthquakes!
Not to be outdone, Rush Limbaugh claims volcanic eruption in Iceland is due to God's displeasure with health care reform bill being passed:
Gee, why am I surprised that evangelical Christians are not upset with Limbaugh's blasphemy?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:59:02pm |
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:59:06pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:59:32pm |
re: #285 windsagio
I'm seriously hoping it means they're into Asartu, but I presume its nothing that cool.
I seriously doubt it, from the context, and if they are into Asatru, the Asatru people I know don't want to know them.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:00:00pm |
re: #292 Jadespring
It's a reference to Norse culture. It's a total white nationalist thing. That's the big clue to exactly where this persons head is at.
Yeah exactly, though discussing civil rights as something that took rights away from white people is another big clue.
The white Nationalists see the world in the most stark us vs. them terms and see a future where white folks fight to th death (as in genocide) against all other races.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:00:09pm |
re: #287 Floral Giraffe
Do they get to wear the cool hats with horns too?
Only if they join the SCA, and then only for the ten minutes it will take for someone to amble over and tell them the horned helmets are historically inaccurate.
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:00:20pm |
re: #289 Gus 802
Cripes. Anyone see this from Wiki?
I think that deserves to be edited.
No because it's truthful. He was very good at stealth in the old days, and some of his stuff is quoted here in old threads etc. I've linked to his posts from my blog in the past. I challenged him to a debate on liberty once before I knew what he was.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:00:42pm |
Crazy Pam has a long winded conspiracy theory up today about how Oklahoma City bombing was an Islamist terror attack and the Dems framed right wing extremists.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:00:51pm |
re: #295 Aceofwhat?
nice catch...
I guess the last sentence makes it a little better? I don't know. The way they describe LGF first as being "anti-Muslim."
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:01:05pm |
weekends were made for Michelobe...who's your daddy?
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:01:22pm |
re: #294 Reginald Perrin
Not to be outdone, Rush Limbaugh claims volcanic eruption in Iceland is due to God's displeasure with health care reform bill being passed:
Gee, why am I surprised that evangelical Christians are not upset with Limbaugh's blasphemy?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
The fools! I caused the volcano to erupt! MUHAHAHAHA!
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:01:29pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
Was that supposed to be 'scared cow', or did you mean 'sacred'?
I heard that most cows would rather be sacred than scared.
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:01:38pm |
re: #302 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam has a long winded conspiracy theory up today about how Oklahoma City bombing was an Islamist terror attack and the Dems framed right wing extremists.
Omf.... well I don't believe in G-D.
The anniversary is tomorrow.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:01:39pm |
re: #303 Gus 802
Thats what it really used to be; its shifted some since then >>
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:01:50pm |
re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist
Only if they join the SCA, and then only for the ten minutes it will take for someone to amble over and tell them the horned helmets are historically inaccurate.
Sniff, I always liked those hats.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:02:14pm |
re: #301 Thanos
No because it's truthful. He was very good at stealth in the old days, and some of his stuff is quoted here in old threads etc. I've linked to his posts from my blog in the past. I challenged him to a debate on liberty once before I knew what he was.
re: #308 windsagio
Thats what it really used to be; its shifted some since then >>
OK, I'll leave it alone and drop it.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:02:28pm |
re: #299 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah exactly, though discussing civil rights as something that took rights away from white people is another big clue.
The white Nationalists see the world in the most stark us vs. them terms and see a future where white folks fight to th death (as in genocide) against all other races.
look, I am starting to really get disturbed by your projections of violence tonight.
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:02:37pm |
re: #299 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah exactly, though discussing civil rights as something that took rights away from white people is another big clue.
The white Nationalists see the world in the most stark us vs. them terms and see a future where white folks fight to th death (as in genocide) against all other races.
Yeah the rest of his comment is a clue though for some it would be a 'debatable' point. I should have said that the viking reference isn't just a clue, it's case closed, no debate indication of exactly what this person is.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:02:41pm |
re: #293 negativ
In case anyone is in too good a mood, here's a terrible story that should bring you right down.
It gets worse.
utter bullshit. someone really told this sweet guy he wasn't free to make this decision for himself?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:02:43pm |
re: #288 Jadespring
I really detest how Norse and Norse culture is being totally co-opted by white supremists like this person. Pisses me off.
Don't worry when I think of Norse culture, I think of Sweeden, Nobel Prizes, hot tubs, tall blonde and red headed girls with perfect breasts and the well known lov that Vikings have for eating SPAM.
I really don't think of neo-nazi scumbags.
Though if a little pushed I will start humming the spam song.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:03:54pm |
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Mark Pennington Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:04:04pm |
I guess I just do not understand what the people arguing so strongly against anything and everything to do with climate change actually see as the desirable outcome. You know, maybe those asshats will admit that human-caused climate change exists when they start CATCHING ON FIRE.
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:04:12pm |
re: #310 Gus 802
OK, I'll leave it alone and drop it.
In the old days KT and I would just get pounded by the rest of the lizards if we questioned or challenged something he said in a thread. Thank goodness it was before the advent of dinging, or I might still have neg karma....
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:04:22pm |
re: #311 brookly red
look, I am starting to really get disturbed by your projections of violence tonight.
Dude that is not a projection or my view. I think you really need to see what the neo-nazi literature is before you suggest I am exaggerating.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:04:23pm |
re: #314 Aceofwhat?
It happens all the time, these injustices. This is an especially tragic case of it.
This is a story from a friend of mine, what happened to him after his partner died.
When I went to the hospital the day after, it was hard enough from keeping from crying. After all, that's where I saw him last - already dead.
So I get to the counter and tell the person that my spouse had died there the night before, and I needed to pick up his effects. The was an awkward pause, and I was asked to wait.
Ten minutes later someone came out and informed me that while they had a garbage bag with his things on it, it wasn't possible to release it to me because I wasn't next of kin. Even though I had signed the death certificate, and looked into organ donation, etc., for some reason taking home his shoes, and the clothes they had ripped off of him in the ER was out of the question unless I could have someone who WAS part of his family either come to the hospital (they're all on the West Coast) or overnight a notarized letter authorizing me to take possession.
"But I have a civil union certificate." I said. They apologized, but despite that, because of FEDERAL regulations concerning patient confidentiality, and since he wasn't able to sign the requisite paperwork when he was admitted to the ER, they weren't able to recognize any legal relationship outside of what the Federal Government did.
Of course eventually it was all sorted out and I was able to get the garbage bag with his stuff (through the funeral director who - for some reason - COULD get his effects and give them to me).
So - every time now when some farkING IDIOT says that gays already have the "same rights" as heterosexuals, or that "civil unions are good enough", I have to restrain myself from getting extremely violent.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:04:43pm |
re: #303 Gus 802
I guess the last sentence makes it a little better? I don't know. The way they describe LGF first as being "anti-Muslim."
and 'right-wing'. neither of those subjective terms need to be there. it should just say blogs.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:05:10pm |
re: #319 LudwigVanQuixote
I ignored it at the time, but minimizing neo-nazis is another 'don't go there' kind of thing >>
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:05:29pm |
re: #312 Jadespring
Yeah the rest of his comment is a clue though for some it would be a 'debatable' point. I should have said that the viking reference isn't just a clue, it's case closed, no debate indication of exactly what this person is.
Damn straight.
I keyed into that bit first also.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:05:40pm |
re: #319 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude that is not a projection or my view. I think you really need to see what the neo-nazi literature is before you suggest I am exaggerating.
groove to the music...mellow out
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:05:43pm |
re: #311 brookly red
look, I am starting to really get disturbed by your projections of violence tonight.
Dude, what on earth are you talking about?
William
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:06:07pm |
re: #320 Obdicut
Those Fed rules also stop Fed benefits as well, it's anti family from the political team that bills themselves as "pro family"
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:06:11pm |
re: #311 brookly red
look, I am starting to really get disturbed by your projections of violence tonight.
Well in this case his comment about a future of violence isn't wrong. That's exactly how many of these sorts of people see it. I know, i've been flat out told this to my face and that I have a choice, I can be a race traitor and when the day comes get bashed with the rest of them or join the right side and stick with my own kind.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:06:30pm |
re: #322 windsagio
I ignored it at the time, but minimizing neo-nazis is another 'don't go there' kind of thing >>
I am not minimizing anything they really do believe that the US will end in a racial holy war - as they put it, to the death.
This is just the truth.
It's what those animals believe.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:06:41pm |
re: #319 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude that is not a projection or my view. I think you really need to see what the neo-nazi literature is before you suggest I am exaggerating.
not exaggerating but, obsessing... take a breath and consider your batting average tonight. OK?
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:07:08pm |
re: #293 negativ
In case anyone is in too good a mood, here's a terrible story that should bring you right down.
It gets worse.
I hope that state has money still left for them to sue.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:07:14pm |
re: #318 Thanos
In the old days KT and I would just get pounded by the rest of the lizards if we questioned or challenged something he said in a thread. Thank goodness it was before the advent of dinging, or I might still have neg karma...
heh...so true, I recall well
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:07:19pm |
re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist
I went looking for the Viking Kitties, but failed in youtubiness, tonight.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:07:23pm |
re: #328 LudwigVanQuixote
Not you ludwig, brookly.
I admit it wasn't clear, but I was supporting you :p
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:07:26pm |
re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist
Only if they join the SCA, and then only for the ten minutes it will take for someone to amble over and tell them the horned helmets are historically inaccurate.
Well, that's obvious. Thor wears a winged helmet.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:08:36pm |
re: #329 brookly red
not exaggerating but, obsessing... take a breath and consider your batting average tonight. OK?
Ummm stronger than yours?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:08:55pm |
re: #333 windsagio
Not you ludwig, brookly.
I admit it wasn't clear, but I was supporting you :p
Thanks buddy :)
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:09:35pm |
re: #335 LudwigVanQuixote
Ummm stronger than yours?
I didn't get deleted for violence so much... just a thought.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:09:56pm |
re: #332 Floral Giraffe
You reminded me of Lobster Magnet.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:10:12pm |
re: #320 Obdicut
It happens all the time, these injustices. This is an especially tragic case of it.
This is a story from a friend of mine, what happened to him after his partner died.
unconscionable. i completely agree that a union which can't accomplish simple things like validating next of kin is an insult.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:10:38pm |
re: #337 brookly red
He apologized for that I think, you're just trying to stretch an indescretion as far as you can to get 'points' at his expense.
Bad show man, bad show.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:10:54pm |
re: #319 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude that is not a projection or my view. I think you really need to see what the neo-nazi literature is before you suggest I am exaggerating.
I've seen some of that filth. The threats those people make are not wholly idle. Many of them do indeed want genocide.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:11:00pm |
re: #327 Jadespring
Well in this case his comment about a future of violence isn't wrong. That's exactly how many of these sorts of people see it. I know, i've been flat out told this to my face and that I have a choice, I can be a race traitor and when the day comes get bashed with the rest of them or join the right side and stick with my own kind.
yowza...
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:11:34pm |
re: #337 brookly red
I think what you're missing is that Ludwig has already calmed down, so what more do you want him to do?
You say you're disturbed by his projections of violence, but those are gone, and he's not making them anymore.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:12:04pm |
re: #340 windsagio
He apologized for that I think, you're just trying to stretch an indescretion as far as you can to get 'points' at his expense.
Bad show man, bad show.
now I am saying don't do it again... that does make sense even to you no?
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:12:27pm |
re: #344 brookly red
I might respectfully suggest that you chill >>
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Charles Johnson Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:12:31pm |
re: #308 windsagio
Thats what it really used to be; its shifted some since then >>
Not true. LGF was never an "anti-Muslim" blog. The focus of what I wrote at LGF was on criticizing radical Islam, never all Muslims.
We had some commenters who were anti-Muslim, that's definitely true, but they are gone -- and this was on purpose, because I reached a point where I simply didn't want to be associated with their point of view at all.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:12:38pm |
re: #344 brookly red
now I am saying don't do it again... that does make sense even to you no?
Yeah ok... Do you feel important now?
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:13:02pm |
re: #344 brookly red
now I am saying don't do it again... that does make sense even to you no?
What the f*ck is that supposed to mean?
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:13:06pm |
I don't have a problem with what Ludwig said about white supremacists cause it's true. McVey had pages from the white supremacist "Turner Diaries" in his pocket ... Turner Diaries is all about race wars.
Charles Manson was into race wars. The KKK, Stormfront, etc. are into race wars. Ludwig's not saying anything that's not true there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:13:08pm |
re: #302 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam has a long winded conspiracy theory up today about how Oklahoma City bombing was an Islamist terror attack and the Dems framed right wing extremists.
Pam Geller can kiss my ass.
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brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:13:17pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:13:41pm |
re: #346 Charles
in fairness, i think Windy was referring to the 'right-wing' description rather than the 'anti-Muslim' description...
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:13:54pm |
re: #346 Charles
You'd know better than me :D
Well seriously, I see the distinction you're making, and it makes perfect sense. I'd withdraw the statement if I could >>
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prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:13:57pm |
I really dig this. Obama's asteroid goal:[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:14:11pm |
re: #311 brookly red
look, I am starting to really get disturbed by your projections of violence tonight.
I understand that Ludwig rattled you earlier, but are you going to say that's NOT how White Nationalists see things?
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:14:16pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:14:34pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:14:34pm |
re: #352 Aceofwhat?
in fairness, i think Windy was referring to the 'right-wing' description rather than the 'anti-Muslim' description...
alrighty, maybe not;)
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:14:44pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:15:17pm |
re: #317 beekiller
I guess I just do not understand what the people arguing so strongly against anything and everything to do with climate change actually see as the desirable outcome. You know, maybe those asshats will admit that human-caused climate change exists when they start CATCHING ON FIRE.
No, they will just assume that liberals/Obama/Europeans, etc set them on fire.
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:15:29pm |
re: #357 Floral Giraffe
It was the second 'viral' thing I ever saw; the first was the original Southpark Jesus vs. Santa thing.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:15:49pm |
re: #356 JasonA
Watch out for kooties.
no kidding. her foul mouth would endanger my clean white ass...
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:16:29pm |
Oops crap, time to go.
*Insert cute old-timey rejoinder here, I can't think of any good ones today*
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:17:21pm |
re: #359 windsagio
No he has it right. That is what I meant.
I stand corrected.
That's what i get for sticking up for a lefty;)
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:17:42pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:17:50pm |
re: #346 Charles
Not true. LGF was never an "anti-Muslim" blog. The focus of what I wrote at LGF was on criticizing radical Islam, never all Muslims.
We had some commenters who were anti-Muslim, that's definitely true, but they are gone -- and this was on purpose, because I reached a point where I simply didn't want to be associated with their point of view at all.
Which was the right thing to do. What I respectfully suggest to you is that you push this blog as what it is, not so much a political blog, but a fact finding blog.
Just be clear that you don't care if people are left or right. You care that they are factual, honest and not out to hurt innocent people.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:19:14pm |
re: #320 Obdicut
It happens all the time, these injustices. This is an especially tragic case of it.
This is a story from a friend of mine, what happened to him after his partner died.
Civil union laws could be strengthened to where civil unions* count for all legal purposes, state, federal, and any other state, relating to medical care as if they were a bone-fide federally recognized marriage. Also, federal inheritance laws would have to specify that personal effects in value up to some cutoff go to the civil union partner forthwith. Most people don't check into a hospital with the Hope diamond in their pockets so that ought to cover just about everyone.
This would put off for another day the argument about whether the federal government ought to widen its definition of marriage, with all the tax and social security consequences and other consequences, to include civil unions. Sometimes half a loaf is half a loaf, and incremental improvements that can be realized here and now are better than wished-for changes that cannot be implemented because there is no consensus.
*Any contract that had all the power of a civil union, such as when a state issues a marriage license to a gay couple, would count as a civil union for purposes of this proposed law.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:19:16pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
No, they will just assume that liberals/Obama/Europeans, etc set them on fire.
Indeed. It's all political and nothing will ever convince them because they don't care.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:19:20pm |
re: #367 LudwigVanQuixote
Which was the right thing to do. What I respectfully suggest to you is that you push this blog as what it is, not so much a political blog, but a fact finding blog.
Just be clear that you don't care if people are left or right. You care that they are factual, honest and not out to hurt innocent people.
it's always been that sort of blog...Charles was very careful to stipulate that from the outset....nothing new there
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:20:19pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:20:55pm |
re: #370 albusteve
it's always been that sort of blog...Charles was very careful to stipulate that from the outset...nothing new there
Absolutely. We agree here.
It needs to be emphasized because it would remove a great deal of confusion.
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Red Pencil Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:21:05pm |
On JPFO, why don't they just join the NRA:
I've met a few members, some Jews, some not. Some are or have been NRA members in the past, but have been turned off by the NRA's focus on "sportsmen's rights". They feel that the NRA's attempts to keep firearms legal by insisting (often improbably) that this or that weapon should be legal, not because of those little words "shall not be infringed" but because the weapon could be used for such things as game hunting, dilutes the true purpose of the 2nd amendment, which is to afford the people the ultimate power to protect the other amendments. "The 2nd amendment is NOT about duck hunting," they have said, with some logic. And they felt that the JPFO presented their views on the true value of firearms more than the NRA did.
The above is written as an explanation of some members' motivations, which I can sympathize with. It is NOT intended as a defense of the JPFO per se. Aside from "misstatements" like the one about 1938 Nazi Germany cited above they have really soured, perhaps poisoned their case with some literal black helicopter crap. (I've read a lot of their "literature", it's kind of sad they couldn't resist the drama of mixing in the crazy and/or made up nutball junk with actual history. )
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:21:33pm |
re: #372 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely. We agree here.
It needs to be emphasized because it would remove a great deal of confusion.
who's confused?
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:23:10pm |
re: #368 lostlakehiker
Equal rites are what is necessary. That is all. Half a loaf-- if by that you mean not full, equal rights-- is to be rejected. Any law that stops any of the current violations of these rights is great, so yeah, incremental change is possible, but you're making a false dichotomy where it's either half a loaf or nothing.
But the most important part is that the rights be exactly equivalent to heterosexual couples.
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swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:23:24pm |
re: #318 Thanos
In the old days KT and I would just get pounded by the rest of the lizards if we questioned or challenged something he said in a thread. Thank goodness it was before the advent of dinging, or I might still have neg karma...
And I was a little left of center, especially for my positions on immigration.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:24:12pm |
re: #346 Charles
Not true. LGF was never an "anti-Muslim" blog. The focus of what I wrote at LGF was on criticizing radical Islam, never all Muslims.
We had some commenters who were anti-Muslim, that's definitely true, but they are gone -- and this was on purpose, because I reached a point where I simply didn't want to be associated with their point of view at all.
Halftime
Boy I remember all the fantasy killing shit Charles had to delete...There was a lot of anti-Muslim hate here for a while...Charles deleted that crap also...
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:25:07pm |
re: #377 swamprat
And I was a little left of center, especially for my positions on immigration.
and I was far right of center on immigration and still am...me and GB split for good over that issue
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:26:46pm |
re: #378 HoosierHoops
THEY SUSPENDED KG! THAT SUCKS!
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:26:56pm |
re: #367 LudwigVanQuixote
Which was the right thing to do. What I respectfully suggest to you is that you push this blog as what it is, not so much a political blog, but a fact finding blog.
Just be clear that you don't care if people are left or right. You care that they are factual, honest and not out to hurt innocent people.
LGF is the best political blog that I know of, and that's why I'm here.
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freetoken Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:27:45pm |
A blog of someone (I do not know but came across in a Google search) who seems to be in a transition of beliefs, who writes on topics relevant to the currents here: The West Bend Freethinker Probably a few people here can relate to him.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:28:15pm |
re: #382 Spare O'Lake
LGF is the best political blog that I know of, and that's why I'm here.
antique jitterbugs rule...I'm in
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:28:21pm |
re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
THEY SUSPENDED KG! THAT SUCKS!
an elbow to the head will do that for you...although they should have done the same with Dwight last year.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:28:56pm |
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:29:23pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:30:13pm |
re: #385 Aceofwhat?
Was being held from behind in a bench scuffle... (in bed) and that little prick had no business getting over into their bench area with a player on the floor...
(heh, little, guy's probably 6'6".
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swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:30:46pm |
re: #379 albusteve
and I was far right of center on immigration and still am...me and GB split for good over that issue
We can agree to disagree.
Civilly.
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Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:31:08pm |
re: #375 Obdicut
Equal rites are what is necessary. That is all. Half a loaf-- if by that you mean not full, equal rights-- is to be rejected. Any law that stops any of the current violations of these rights is great, so yeah, incremental change is possible, but you're making a false dichotomy where it's either half a loaf or nothing.
But the most important part is that the rights be exactly equivalent to heterosexual couples.
There needs to be a Constitutional amendment. This should not be left to the states. Gay marriage and/or civil unions should be considered a natural right.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:31:35pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:32:42pm |
re: #388 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Was being held from behind in a bench scuffle... (in bed) and that little prick had no business getting over into their bench area with a player on the floor...
(heh, little, guy's probably 6'6".
don't forget, Pierce laid down in front of the Heat's bench. prick was walking back to his own bench...although i'm sure he got close enough to give KG the opportunity on purpose.
still - you can't take that bait.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:33:20pm |
re: #387 albusteve
can't do that...a no no
I really like KG..I never expected him to do this..
He deserves to sit down a game...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:33:48pm |
Sorry to go OT, but this needs to be posted:
Champaign mayor doubts Obama is an American
When a man with a video camera at a tea party protest asked Champaign Mayor Jerry Schweighart what he thought of President Barack Obama, the three-term Republican didn't hesitate.
"I don't think he's American, personally," the mayor said Thursday in a video that's been posted on YouTube. "You know, if you're not willing to produce an original certificate like a birth certificate, then you've got something to hide."
This is not some teabagger nut. This the mayor of city in Obama's home state.
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:33:54pm |
re: #383 freetoken
A blog of someone (I do not know but came across in a Google search) who seems to be in a transition of beliefs, who writes on topics relevant to the currents here: The West Bend Freethinker Probably a few people here can relate to him.
Thanks, and bookmarked
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:34:14pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
I really like KG..I never expected him to do this..
He deserves to sit down a game...
either way, they might get as far as Cleveland but that's where they'll stop.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:34:45pm |
Throw an elbow, you sit. End of it. Been that way since High School. Idiot.
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windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:34:46pm |
re: #391 Gus 802
I still really like Washington's answer.
Has that wonderful 'oh yeah and anything we forgot to mention, don't be an ass' clause.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:35:38pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
I really like KG..I never expected him to do this..
He deserves to sit down a game...
elbows are bad news...real bad news in this game...you simply must stay in control of yourself
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Racer X Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:35:39pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
I really like KG..I never expected him to do this..
He deserves to sit down a game...
Or two.
;-)
I like KG too, and I'm glad he finally got a ring. I'm hoping it is his only one.
;-)
;-)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:36:03pm |
re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist
OK. This is funny.
I never thought I'd agree with George Galloway, but he is right that these scumbags are "filthy extremists".
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:36:34pm |
re: #378 HoosierHoops
Halftime
Boy I remember all the fantasy killing shit Charles had to delete...There was a lot of anti-Muslim hate here for a while...Charles deleted that crap also...
GWB had it right...radical Islamofascism is the real enemy. The problem with the rest of Islam is that the mainstream seems to be unable to put down its radical elements.
This has some frightening parallels to the radical right in the US and the seeming inability of the mainstream right to put them back in their place.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:36:44pm |
re: #395 Dark_Falcon
This is not some teabagger nut. This the mayor of city in Obama's home state.
yikes. here i thought republicans had already shot off all semblance of feet...apparently we're aiming for the little stumps now...
speaking of OT, i was reading this morning and saw that you thought i was being serious when i asked "what movie" after a Dr. Strangelove reference.
heh...click the avatar.../
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:36:48pm |
Halftime is over...
They had a last minute question For Barkley.. How much do you weigh? He said 310lbs..
If I had a last minute question to Ask Charles Barkley.. I'd ask him how many hookers he got for Tiger..
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:37:35pm |
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Racer X Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:37:38pm |
re: #402 albusteve
elbows are bad news...real bad news in this game...you simply must stay in control of yourself
I remember Kareem getting tossed out of a game for throwing elbows. Serious weapons on a big man - you hit someone in the head and it could be lights out.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:39:42pm |
re: #407 HoosierHoops
Halftime is over...
They had a last minute question For Barkley.. How much do you weigh? He said 310lbs..
If I had a last minute question to Ask Charles Barkley.. I'd ask him how many hookers he got for Tiger..
ha! that's the only thing he could do for Tiger. have you seen Barkley swing a golf club? talk about an EX-athlete...
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Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:39:47pm |
Ars Technica has an article up about Why library of Congress is going to archive all tweets, and this is one of the sample tweets in the article that I found humorous:
"Surprising. Obama did not claim Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh as dependents even though their income totally dependent on him."
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:40:05pm |
re: #409 Racer X
I remember Kareem getting tossed out of a game for throwing elbows. Serious weapons on a big man - you hit someone in the head and it could be lights out.
yeah, just ask Isiah Thomas...he has like 200 stitches going down the lane from elbows
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:41:38pm |
re: #406 Aceofwhat?
yikes. here i thought republicans had already shot off all semblance of feet...apparently we're aiming for the little stumps now...
speaking of OT, i was reading this morning and saw that you thought i was being serious when i asked "what movie" after a Dr. Strangelove reference.
heh...click the avatar.../
Heh... I forgot that was your avatar. Great movie.
As for Schweighart, he makes me ashamed to be an Illinois Republican. If the state party had real wisdom, they'd demand he recant on pain of being read out of the party. They will, however, do no such thing.
The story has now been posted in the spinoffs as well.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:41:39pm |
re: #407 HoosierHoops
I'm thinking 310 is a little light...
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:43:09pm |
re: #414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking 310 is a little light...
Yea..They were teasing him about 310..probably 325 to my eye
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:44:04pm |
smash mouth Texas blues...yeah?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:44:46pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:44:47pm |
re: #405 Spare O'Lake
GWB had it right...radical Islamofascism is the real enemy. The problem with the rest of Islam is that the mainstream seems to be unable to put down its radical elements.
This has some frightening parallels to the radical right in the US and the seeming inability of the mainstream right to put them back in their place.
I agree with everything you said except the bit about GWB having it right. And that you did not mention the role of certain Middle Eastern governments in promoting and sustaining terrorism enough.
If his real goal were to put down Islamofascism his primary focus would have been Afghanistan and Pakistan militarily, and economically, to remove Western dependence on Arab oil.
To be fair to W. (which may shock some of you) every president since Nixon has been talking and talking about reducing oil dependency. Even Obama is failing at fixing that.
However, AGW out of the equation for a moment and speaking strictly politically, the only leverage that the violent part of Muslim world (and when I say that, I specifically mean those oil producing and terrorist supporting nations) really has is oil. If you take oil out of the equation, suddenly the M.E. becomes completely accountable for its actions and misdeeds. It then becomes very attractive to such governments to no longer fund or support terrorism or other non oil producing Muslim nations that do.
If you leave it in the equation, we have to dance to their tune.
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freetoken Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:45:25pm |
The Telegraph (UK), one of the homes of the UK's anti-AGW-science movement, hosts an editorial by a British politician that throws a bone to the Inhofe-types:
We must not be dogmatic about climate change – unlike the warmists
Of course there is a rival explanation of some recent climatic events, no more unlikely than some others. It may just be that God had become irritated by the arrogance of mankind purporting to control the climate of the earth and that the great climate control conference was the last straw. So, deciding in His infinite mercy not to flood the world again (yet), He buried Copenhagen under a few feet of snow, delivered the coldest winter for decades to Europe and North America (except Vancouver) and expanded the arctic ice cap. Pleased with His work, he Has now garnished it with a monstrous volcanic eruption dumping thousands of tons of dust into the upper atmosphere and gone off for celestial tea. But of course He may yet be back with a deluge.
The author, Tebbit, writes so dryly that I think many readers mis-understand him.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:45:26pm |
re: #412 albusteve
yeah, just ask Isiah Thomas...he has like 200 stitches going down the lane from elbows
Saw Dirk get his front teeth taken out a year back. Came back and played the second half. Some say he is soft.
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:45:54pm |
re: #413 Dark_Falcon
I typed something that I deleted. It just amazes me that this shit is still going on.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:47:10pm |
re: #419 freetoken
The Telegraph (UK), one of the homes of the UK's anti-AGW-science movement, hosts an editorial by a British politician that throws a bone to the Inhofe-types:
We must not be dogmatic about climate change – unlike the warmists
The author, Tebbit, writes so dryly that I think many readers mis-understand him.
I get the implied humor. Or rather I hope it is meant to be so.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:47:24pm |
re: #420 The Shadow Do
Saw Dirk get his front teeth taken out a year back. Came back and played the second half. Some say he is soft.
You know Dirk is huge..That boy has some shoulders on him...You see him live and it's like dude! That is a baller..Big fast boy..He should have a ring
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prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:48:09pm |
re: #383 freetoken
A blog of someone (I do not know but came across in a Google search) who seems to be in a transition of beliefs, who writes on topics relevant to the currents here: The West Bend Freethinker Probably a few people here can relate to him.
I find it sad that the harshness of judgment from other Christians has separated the blogger from God.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:49:11pm |
re: #420 The Shadow Do
Saw Dirk get his front teeth taken out a year back. Came back and played the second half. Some say he is soft.
there have some remarkable stories....especially B ball and football...I remember Thomas playing the Bulls in the playoffs with a sprained ankle...but he could still shoot...the stuff of legend
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freetoken Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:50:35pm |
re: #422 LudwigVanQuixote
I gather that Tebbit just likes poking sticks in peoples' eyes, in that English way of using their language in dry wit. Sadly though, he probably is closer to Delingpole in his outlook on many things.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:51:14pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:51:31pm |
re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dirka Dirka!
Boy..It is a hell of a game going on...Suns play later tonight...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:51:50pm |
re: #418 LudwigVanQuixote
I agree with everything you said except the bit about GWB having it right. And that you did not mention the role of certain Middle Eastern governments in promoting and sustaining terrorism enough.
If his real goal were to put down Islamofascism his primary focus would have been Afghanistan and Pakistan militarily, and economically, to remove Western dependence on Arab oil.
To be fair to W. (which may shock some of you) every president since Nixon has been talking and talking about reducing oil dependency. Even Obama is failing at fixing that.
However, AGW out of the equation for a moment and speaking strictly politically, the only leverage that the violent part of Muslim world (and when I say that, I specifically mean those oil producing and terrorist supporting nations) really has is oil. If you take oil out of the equation, suddenly the M.E. becomes completely accountable for its actions and misdeeds. It then becomes very attractive to such governments to no longer fund or support terrorism or other non oil producing Muslim nations that do.
If you leave it in the equation, we have to dance to their tune.
I'd would respectfully reply that Bush's options in 2002=2003 were fairly limited vis-a-vis Afghanistan and Pakistan. We had cleared Afghanistan of notable concentrations of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and we could not enter Pakistan. Further, the drones we are now using were not available back then. At the time, the area offered little opportunity for aggressive action, and Afghanistan is a poor candidate for nation-building. Shifting focus to Iraq made a good deal of sense given what was believed to be known at the time, in my opinion.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:52:05pm |
re: #423 HoosierHoops
You know Dirk is huge..That boy has some shoulders on him...You see him live and it's like dude! That is a baller..Big fast boy..He should have a ring
like you and i said...love whatever sport you want but these are the most exceptional athletes in the world.
nowhere else do 7' men move like crazed ballerinas...
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:53:12pm |
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Mark Pennington Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:53:33pm |
I just had a cup of Blueberry Tea. It's awesome. It's like liquid pie. I highly recommend it.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:53:57pm |
re: #293 negativ
In case anyone is in too good a mood, here's a terrible story that should bring you right down.
It gets worse.
This sounds exactly, although worse in detail, like the woman President Obama called to speak to when he made the recent ruling about hospital visitations for partners.
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:55:00pm |
I just discovered something pretty cool today.
Yesterday when out running a few errands I went into one of my favorite stores and they had just started carrying this laundry soap cleaner called Earth Berries. Well it's not really cleaner or anything like regular laundry detergent, it's a bag of dry berries called soap berries or soap nuts that grow on trees in Nepal and India. You basically put 3-5 of the things in a cloth bag and throw it in your laundry tub. They're about the size of a peanut. You can use the same ones for several wash loads and then you just chuck them in the compost or I suppose just chuck them anywhere outside.
I was intrigued and since the small bag was only ten bucks I decided to try them out. I decided to test them out on my work pants and gloves which after several days of playing in dirt, moving logs and replanting perennials were really dirty. I felt like I was playing in my own laundry soap commercial.
Anyways it totally worked. No sign or dirt or muck, they clean as a whistle. I was really surprised and did have an issue with getting my mind around the idea that all you had to do was chuck some dried tree berries in with your clothes and it would get them clean.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:55:49pm |
re: #433 Stanley Sea
sublime writing + sublime talent = bliss
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:56:31pm |
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:56:45pm |
re: #423 HoosierHoops
You know Dirk is huge..That boy has some shoulders on him...You see him live and it's like dude! That is a baller..Big fast boy..He should have a ring
A fine man too. Really.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:57:00pm |
re: #435 beekiller
I just had a cup of Blueberry Tea. It's awesome. It's like liquid pie. I highly recommend it.
The Celestial Seasonings one?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:57:02pm |
re: #436 Naso Tang
This sounds exactly, although worse in detail, like the woman President Obama called to speak to when he made the recent ruling about hospital visitations for partners.
Damn that is tragic.
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:57:40pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:57:50pm |
re: #436 Naso Tang
This sounds exactly, although worse in detail, like the woman President Obama called to speak to when he made the recent ruling about hospital visitations for partners.
I can't begin to imagine how horrible that would be to go through.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:58:04pm |
Crossroads
35 years later...Cream
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Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:59:18pm |
re: #437 Jadespring
Did you do a double blind test? One load with peanuts in a bag, another with regular Tide, another with water only. Repeat a few times.
I suggest you do before you save too much more money :)
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:59:43pm |
re: #432 Aceofwhat?
like you and i said...love whatever sport you want but these are the most exceptional athletes in the world.
nowhere else do 7' men move like crazed ballerinas...
A finely tuned Football player plays 5 seconds at a time..(5 seconds of pure violence)
A baseball player can stand in the outfield all day waiting for a ball
A basketball player plays at full speed for minutes at a time..Try playing full court for just one minute..99% of all people would be layed out on the floor..
These are the greatest athletes in the world..
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:00:58pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:02:14pm |
re: #439 Stanley Sea
It's my favorite.
i can't pick a favorite...i have about 20 favorites.
this is one of them
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:02:23pm |
re: #445 albusteve
Crossroads
35 years later...Cream[Video]
The other Day Charles had a bad day at the DMV
I did a parody song of Crossroads..
I went down to the DMV..Fell down on my knees.....
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Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:03:04pm |
Is anyone else as enthralled with the Discovery show Life? Narrated by Oprah, and quite well I say. Watching the show about how they made it. 3000 shooting days, seven continents, 70 crews. Wow.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:03:04pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:03:34pm |
re: #451 Rightwingconspirator
Is anyone else as enthralled with the Discovery show Life? Narrated by Oprah, and quite well I say. Watching the show about how they made it. 3000 shooting days, seven continents, 70 crews. Wow.
yep. loving it.
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:03:42pm |
re: #451 Rightwingconspirator
Is anyone else as enthralled with the Discovery show Life? Narrated by Oprah, and quite well I say. Watching the show about how they made it. 3000 shooting days, seven continents, 70 crews. Wow.
YES!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:03:54pm |
OK speaking of food and trying to put a good spin on things. Last night, the GF came over late and put some things n my fridge. I had strict orders not to go poking about in there and thus ruin the surprise.
She had made both cherry and blueberry preserves. These she heated as a topping for breakfast.
When I awoke this morning, I was greeted to blintzes from scratch. She stuffed them with a great mix of ricotta and cream cheese with just a but of flour and butter added to create the right consistency. As if that were not enough, she sautéed pistachios in sesame oil and added that to the filling.
The crepes themselves were perfectly thin and had just the right hint of crisp on the outside.
All of that was topped with either blueberry or cherry.
Yeah... I think I ought to marry her.
Incidentally, we have declared that we have MAO - or mutually assured obesity.
We both love to cook. This was her upping the ante after I had made duck a l'orange stuffed with wild rice and clementine oranges with a side of sautéed asparagus and stuffed mushrooms.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:04:04pm |
re: #437 Jadespring
Link? Brand?
Sounds a lot better than all the gray water I put back into the system.
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:04:20pm |
re: #446 Naso Tang
Did you do a double blind test? One load with peanuts in a bag, another with regular Tide, another with water only. Repeat a few times.
I suggest you do before you save too much more money :)
Hee. No double blind test yet but I actually thought about it. I already know that the regular detergent will clean my pants. Next time they get that dirty I'll try washing them in just water as that's not something I've ever done before.
I also already checked out the tree they come from to see if I could grow it here because in sure would be cool to grow your own laundry soap. Alas, it's not to be. Too cold. :(
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:04:48pm |
re: #447 HoosierHoops
A finely tuned Football player plays 5 seconds at a time..(5 seconds of pure violence)
A baseball player can stand in the outfield all day waiting for a ball
A basketball player plays at full speed for minutes at a time..Try playing full court for just one minute..99% of all people would be layed out on the floor..
These are the greatest athletes in the world..
I'm still waiting for full contact basketball...pads, helmets....cool
seriously...the old Piston Bad Boys saved their stuff for the full press...they could shut you down and close a ten point lead...energy bro...energy
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:04:58pm |
re: #447 HoosierHoops
A finely tuned Football player plays 5 seconds at a time..(5 seconds of pure violence)
A baseball player can stand in the outfield all day waiting for a ball
A basketball player plays at full speed for minutes at a time..Try playing full court for just one minute..99% of all people would be layed out on the floor..
These are the greatest athletes in the world..
Nah, hockey players.... they do the same. With weapons!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:05:01pm |
re: #452 beekiller
Yes, you like it too?
Yum. It's good both iced and as hot tea. My favorite iced tea for summer.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:05:57pm |
re: #450 HoosierHoops
The other Day Charles had a bad day at the DMV
I did a parody song of Crossroads..
I went down to the DMV..Fell down on my knees...
heh...the place you sell your soul
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Mark Pennington Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:06:10pm |
re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist
Yum. It's good both iced and as hot tea. My favorite iced tea for summer.
Same here! We have something awesome in common.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:06:35pm |
re: #455 LudwigVanQuixote
OK speaking of food and trying to put a good spin on things. Last night, the GF came over late and put some things n my fridge. I had strict orders not to go poking about in there and thus ruin the surprise.
She had made both cherry and blueberry preserves. These she heated as a topping for breakfast.
When I awoke this morning, I was greeted to blintzes from scratch. She stuffed them with a great mix of ricotta and cream cheese with just a but of flour and butter added to create the right consistency. As if that were not enough, she sautéed pistachios in sesame oil and added that to the filling.
The crepes themselves were perfectly thin and had just the right hint of crisp on the outside.
All of that was topped with either blueberry or cherry.
. . .
My mouth is watering I would love some of those right now.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:06:45pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:07:16pm |
re: #463 reine.de.tout
My mouth is watering I would love some of those right now.
Me too! Alas, there were no survivors ;)
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:07:35pm |
re: #458 albusteve
I'm still waiting for full contact basketball...pads, helmets...cool
seriously...the old Piston Bad Boys saved their stuff for the full press...they could shut you down and close a ten point lead...energy bro...energy
I played in an old dude hockey league briefly, my friend Karl (a great big German cat) said basketball would not be a sport until there were no fouls (well, maybe for tripping).
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:07:35pm |
re: #455 LudwigVanQuixote
I never had the privilege of dating a chick who can cook. They are rare. Close the deal.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:07:40pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:07:59pm |
re: #455 LudwigVanQuixote
OK speaking of food and trying to put a good spin on things. Last night, the GF came over late and put some things n my fridge. I had strict orders not to go poking about in there and thus ruin the surprise.
She had made both cherry and blueberry preserves. These she heated as a topping for breakfast.
When I awoke this morning, I was greeted to blintzes from scratch. She stuffed them with a great mix of ricotta and cream cheese with just a but of flour and butter added to create the right consistency. As if that were not enough, she sautéed pistachios in sesame oil and added that to the filling.
The crepes themselves were perfectly thin and had just the right hint of crisp on the outside.
All of that was topped with either blueberry or cherry.
Yeah... I think I ought to marry her.
Incidentally, we have declared that we have MAO - or mutually assured obesity.
We both love to cook. This was her upping the ante after I had made duck a l'orange stuffed with wild rice and clementine oranges with a side of sautéed asparagus and stuffed mushrooms.
Two people who both cook well is a very good thing for any children, I can say that. Both of my parents are good cooks and my mother is a superlative one. I should learn to cook, but have not. ADHD makes it hard for me to show the patience required for cooking unless someone else is around.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:08:10pm |
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freetoken Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:08:31pm |
re: #461 albusteve
heh...the place you sell your soul
Speaking of which, I recommend the off-beat movie Cold Souls.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:08:59pm |
dig this...Duane and Eric
Key to the Highway...
not for rookies
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:09:44pm |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
My fiancee is an amazing cook. I'm pretty swell myself. We eat well, and it's one of the best pleasures on earth to cook for each other.
Tonight I'll be baking a chicken pot pie to greet her when she gets back from the airport at midnight, with apples and cheese on the side to go with it. And tomorrow, she makes carnitas again.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:09:51pm |
re: #455 LudwigVanQuixote
OK speaking of food and trying to put a good spin on things. Last night, the GF came over late and put some things n my fridge. I had strict orders not to go poking about in there and thus ruin the surprise.
She had made both cherry and blueberry preserves. These she heated as a topping for breakfast.
When I awoke this morning, I was greeted to blintzes from scratch. She stuffed them with a great mix of ricotta and cream cheese with just a but of flour and butter added to create the right consistency. As if that were not enough, she sautéed pistachios in sesame oil and added that to the filling.
The crepes themselves were perfectly thin and had just the right hint of crisp on the outside.
All of that was topped with either blueberry or cherry.
Yeah... I think I ought to marry her.
Incidentally, we have declared that we have MAO - or mutually assured obesity.
We both love to cook. This was her upping the ante after I had made duck a l'orange stuffed with wild rice and clementine oranges with a side of sautéed asparagus and stuffed mushrooms.
I makes blintzes once a year. But it's worth it.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:10:13pm |
re: #459 The Shadow Do
Nah, hockey players... they do the same. With weapons!
Meh. They wear skates because it's the only way they can go fast/
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:10:14pm |
re: #456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Link? Brand?
Sounds a lot better than all the gray water I put back into the system.
It's called "Earth Berries" [Link: www.earthberries.com...] I think it's a Canadian company. It looks like there's other companies that sell them as well if you google 'soap berry or soap nut laundry.'
It says that this ten dollar bag does 75-100 loads. Not sure how that compares to the price per load for regular laundry detergent.
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Racer X Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:10:17pm |
re: #458 albusteve
I'm still waiting for full contact basketball...pads, helmets...cool
seriously...the old Piston Bad Boys saved their stuff for the full press...they could shut you down and close a ten point lead...energy bro...energy
Hockey fights.
Picture those going on in the NBA.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:10:55pm |
re: #455 LudwigVanQuixote
Are you getting ready to propose, yet?
WHAT are you waiting for?
Hello???
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:11:16pm |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
I never had the privilege of dating a chick who can cook. They are rare. Close the deal.
This morning I was talking about the Amish food section of our local Wal-Mart..
All I can say is I wanna marry a hot Amish woman...I don't care what she wears,, Grey dress with a silly hood..Who cares..The food is to die for..
/
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:12:16pm |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
Hey, I left you a link to a cool recipe site downstairs, did you see it?
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:12:52pm |
re: #480 HoosierHoops
One of the best meals of my life was at a Mennonite-run restaurant-- an entire workforce of giggling sixteen year old girls in their bright dresses.
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:13:15pm |
re: #456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Link? Brand?
Sounds a lot better than all the gray water I put back into the system.
Oh and the other thing is that apparently since it doesn't sud or is low sudding if you have a washer where you can turn or the rinse cycle you don't need to rinse. Mine's old, so I can't try that out. If true that would be great if you need or want to cut down on water usage.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:13:16pm |
re: #470 Dark_Falcon
. ADHD makes it hard for me to show the patience required for cooking unless someone else is around.
Don't let that be a barrier for you. Just don't try to follow recipes like a script. Get the general idea and do it. Improvise. I don't really follow recipes at all, even when baking.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:13:40pm |
re: #467 The Shadow Do
I played in an old dude hockey league briefly, my friend Karl (a great big German cat) said basketball would not be a sport until there were no fouls (well, maybe for tripping).
for all his hype HH is essentially correct...basketball can be brutal, and I love a good free for all playoff game...you get knocked onto the floor, you get up and play...ain't no thing
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:13:57pm |
re: #478 Racer X
Hockey fights.
Picture those going on in the NBA.
no need. pick whatever hockey player you want and ask them to take a shot at LeBron.
not gonna happen...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:14:04pm |
re: #478 Racer X
Hockey fights.
Picture those going on in the NBA.
Seems like basketball court brawls always manage to end up in the spectator seating somehow. Audience participation!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:14:15pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:14:37pm |
re: #480 HoosierHoops
This morning I was talking about the Amish food section of our local Wal-Mart..
All I can say is I wanna marry a hot Amish woman...I don't care what she wears,, Grey dress with a silly hood..Who cares..The food is to die for..
/
But you have to hoe and plow all day long to burn off all those calories.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:14:53pm |
re: #480 HoosierHoops
This morning I was talking about the Amish food section of our local Wal-Mart..
All I can say is I wanna marry a hot Amish woman...I don't care what she wears,, Grey dress with a silly hood..Who cares..The food is to die for..
/
Go to Amish country. The girls are heartbreakingly beautiful and the apple butter will make you fall in love enough to give up electricity.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:15:04pm |
re: #484 Killgore Trout
Don't let that be a barrier for you. Just don't try to follow recipes like a script. Get the general idea and do it. Improvise. I don't really follow recipes at all, even when baking.
I might try that for simple dishes. I've done it before at times. Most likely, I'll try to do it for my parents. I can keep my focus if I'm working for someone else.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:15:20pm |
re: #481 Floral Giraffe
Hey, I left you a link to a cool recipe site downstairs, did you see it?
No, I missed it.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:15:37pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:16:16pm |
re: #483 Jadespring
Makes sense.
(to make it sound more like we're doing a commercial)
I'll give it a try. Where do I get it?
(kidding)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:16:59pm |
re: #463 reine.de.tout
My mouth is watering I would love some of those right now.
OK something for your cook book - a technique I picked up.
If you want a nearly perfect steak, do the following:
1. Get a large soup pot - around 4 quarts. Fill it with water and bring the water to 110 degrees F. Remove from heat.
2. Seal your steak in a zip lock bag and squeeze out all the air.
3. Put the bagged steak in the warm water. Let it set for approximately 15 minutes.
4. Get a skillet hot. You need one with a nice heavy base that heats evenly. Cook the steak (assuming you want rare and it is about 1" thick) for 1 minute on each side. Obviously more if you want it medium or well done. If you wish to cool it with wine or brandy or go for a steak Diane or simply use salt an pepper to taste that is up to you.
The point of the bag and the water is chemistry and heating properties of the proteins and the fat in the steak. By heating the entire steak to around body temperature, you break down fats and make the proteins in the steak easier to sear. The searing happens more quickly, seals in juices more effectively and the fats caramelize more evenly - without having the dilemma of wither well done or no carmelization.
The point of
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:17:45pm |
re: #487 negativ
Seems like basketball court brawls always manage to end up in the spectator seating somehow. Audience participation!
We had the malice at the palace..
In Hockey that's just a oh hum halftime show..
The Hoopster has never watched a hockey game..ever..ever
Don't understand or get it..My bad
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:18:02pm |
re: #480 HoosierHoops
This morning I was talking about the Amish food section of our local Wal-Mart..
All I can say is I wanna marry a hot Amish woman...I don't care what she wears,, Grey dress with a silly hood..Who cares..The food is to die for..
/
Devil's Playground is a pretty interesting documentary about a particular facet of Amish life. I certainly learned a lot of things I had no idea about.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:18:31pm |
re: #491 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Evening all, What I miss?
Jews with guns, CO2, some playoffs, and a little Zeppelin. A good evening, in all...
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:19:02pm |
re: #487 negativ
Seems like basketball court brawls always manage to end up in the spectator seating somehow. Audience participation!
Reminds me of when a friend of mine called me & told me she was at the Laker game. Sitting under the basket. I turn on the TV to see Shaq falling right on top of her! We were like, YEAH! She was like, ewe, he was so sweaty.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:19:22pm |
re: #499 HoosierHoops
We had the malice at the palace..
In Hockey that's just a oh hum halftime show..
The Hoopster has never watched a hockey game..ever..ever
Don't understand or get it..My bad
hockey sucks...there is no reason for it...like a bad, sports afterthought
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Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:19:47pm |
re: #457 Jadespring
Hee. No double blind test yet but I actually thought about it. I already know that the regular detergent will clean my pants. Next time they get that dirty I'll try washing them in just water as that's not something I've ever done before.
I also already checked out the tree they come from to see if I could grow it here because in sure would be cool to grow your own laundry soap. Alas, it's not to be. Too cold. :(
They probably do work. But I'm very suspicious of your end cost per load of laundry.
Try weighing a similar amount of nuts and regular detergent in your test loads.
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Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:20:12pm |
re: #501 Aceofwhat?
Jews with guns, CO2, some playoffs, and a little Zeppelin. A good evening, in all...
Just got back from a 3 round rout in 40K watching my kids play. Twas a thing of beauty.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:20:34pm |
re: #485 albusteve
for all his hype HH is essentially correct...basketball can be brutal, and I love a good free for all playoff game...you get knocked onto the floor, you get up and play...ain't no thing
Yeah, I know. I was just bustin on Hoosier a little. I went to HS in a little NE Indiana town that would be pretty indistinguishable from the movie set in Hoosiers.
I love basketball. Too bad I sucked at it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:20:41pm |
re: #470 Dark_Falcon
Two people who both cook well is a very good thing for any children, I can say that. Both of my parents are good cooks and my mother is a superlative one. I should learn to cook, but have not. ADHD makes it hard for me to show the patience required for cooking unless someone else is around.
My father, who truly is a sage, once set me down when I was about 12. He said "Ludwig (of course he used me real name), you are very scientific, how would you classify women scientifically?
I said "Homo-sapiens?"
More generally he said.
I said, they are mammals?
"YES!" my father beamed. "How do you get a mammal to like you?"
"Ummm you feed it dad?"
"Very good!" He beamed. "learn to cook." He went on to say, and if you really want bonus points, clean up the dishes when you are done.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:20:56pm |
re: #503 albusteve
Not a ding because I hate hockey (I like it actually) Ding because that was funny as hell.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:21:14pm |
re: #494 Killgore Trout
OT, had the most amazing dinner out with friends last night.
It was this, but without the cream fraiche & no mustard sauce.
A healthier version. AWESOME Lentils!
4 star chef, Alain Giraud.
No cookbooks, I looked.
[Link: [Link: www.seriouseats.com...]...]
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:21:40pm |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
Go to Amish country. The girls are heartbreakingly beautiful and the apple butter will make you fall in love enough to give up electricity.
KT.. This is Amish country! They have their own section at the Wal-mart...They mostly drive in brown vans into town...Smart not to ride a horse here..
/
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:22:16pm |
re: #503 albusteve
hockey sucks...there is no reason for it...like a bad, sports afterthought
well...i think the better analogy is, to me, hockey = full-contact soccer.
not much scoring...a lot of passing and turnovers...but at least when someone goes down it's because they took a legitimate shot.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:22:43pm |
re: #507 LudwigVanQuixote
You learned it well, from your posts.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:22:55pm |
re: #506 The Shadow Do
Yeah, I know. I was just bustin on Hoosier a little. I went to HS in a little NE Indiana town that would be pretty indistinguishable from the movie set in Hoosiers.
I love basketball. Too bad I sucked at it.
you play it by fantasy proxie...I've won a couple of Super Bowls myself, I'm one bad ass quarterback
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:24:36pm |
Manu Ginobili can play some damn ball. Tough as hell...
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:26:23pm |
re: #506 The Shadow Do
Yeah, I know. I was just bustin on Hoosier a little. I went to HS in a little NE Indiana town that would be pretty indistinguishable from the movie set in Hoosiers.
I love basketball. Too bad I sucked at it.
Busting on Me?
LOL
I love Ball...Hoosiers Love Ball..
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:26:35pm |
re: #514 albusteve
you play it by fantasy proxie...I've won a couple of Super Bowls myself, I'm one bad ass quarterback
And I'm Steve DeBerg.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:26:37pm |
re: #514 albusteve
you play it by fantasy proxie...I've won a couple of Super Bowls myself, I'm one bad ass quarterback
that's why God made the Xbox360...so that i could become a 6'3" Heisman trophy winner.
although in a slightly more serious vein, i have learned more about offensive football plays from video games than from any other source...
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Olsonist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:27:33pm |
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:27:36pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:27:57pm |
re: #518 Aceofwhat?
that's why God made the Xbox360...so that i could become a 6'3" Heisman trophy winner.
although in a slightly more serious vein, i have learned more about offensive football plays from video games than from any other source...
I was so disappointed to find that the NFL is not like Mutant League Football.
:(
:)
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:28:40pm |
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:29:22pm |
Spurs - Mavs. Always great stuff. Dirty with 30!
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:29:45pm |
re: #518 Aceofwhat?
that's why God made the Xbox360...so that i could become a 6'3" Heisman trophy winner.
although in a slightly more serious vein, i have learned more about offensive football plays from video games than from any other source...
I learned it growing up, the organic way
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:30:38pm |
re: #504 Naso Tang
They probably do work. But I'm very suspicious of your end cost per load of laundry.
Try weighing a similar amount of nuts and regular detergent in your test loads.
Hmm. I don't think doing it by weight would work as the two don't really compare that way. On the laundry detergent box I have it says 37 loads at a full cup measure which is for a full load. The nut things are really light so it would take way more then what they say to use for a load to equal that cup.
Hold on. I'm going to find out for sure...
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:30:41pm |
re: #524 albusteve
I learned it growing up, the organic way
i only ran one route growing up.
"get open"
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albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:31:30pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:31:50pm |
Tim Duncan just doesn't look like an athlete.
Looks are deceiving tho...
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:31:54pm |
re: #523 The Shadow Do
Spurs - Mavs. Always great stuff. Dirty with 30!
It's a great game! Winston is hiding in the bedroom again..He thinks I'm yelling at him...
No Winston..I'm screaming at the big screen...
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:32:37pm |
re: #530 HoosierHoops
Poor Winston. He needs a cookie!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:33:35pm |
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Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:33:53pm |
re: #457 Jadespring
Something else comes to mind, if you like these "natural" chemicals.
Next time you want to polish some copper, or brass, buy some tamarind seeds and wait for them to ripen; then use the fruit mash as the polish cleaner.
Works, and you can lick your fingers afterwards.
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prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:33:55pm |
re: #449 Aceofwhat?
re: #433 Stanley Sea
So , I was 12 and /2, and bored. Walked from the baby sitter's house to the public library. Picked up a rock and roll album, put it on the public play turn table. Put on the headphones and changed my life:[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:34:29pm |
re: #510 Floral Giraffe
Your link is busted.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:35:15pm |
re: #531 Floral Giraffe
Poor Winston. He needs a cookie!
I love little Winston..He is such a good boy..In a couple of weeks when I open the pool his ass is getting thrown in..I've been waiting all winter for this..
poor Winston....Hehehehe
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:35:48pm |
re: #528 Floral Giraffe
Oh NO!
MATH!
;)
No worries. I have an awesome kitchen scale that makes weighing things easy.
1 cup of my current soap is 2.3 oz.
Takes 18 nuts to equal 2.3oz.
So a strict weight by weight test wouldn't work.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:37:59pm |
Dirk free throws: 68 in a row to end the season. 10 in a row so far tonight. Shame they don't carry post season records into the playoffs.
The record for regualr season? 97 in 1993.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:39:01pm |
re: #538 Jadespring
No worries. I have an awesome kitchen scale that makes weighing things easy.
1 cup of my current soap is 2.3 oz.
Takes 18 nuts to equal 2.3oz.So a strict weight by weight test wouldn't work.
But how many loads of wash can you do for, say, ten bucks, using each system?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:39:35pm |
re: #535 Killgore Trout
Try this?
[Link: www.seriouseats.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:40:23pm |
re: #536 HoosierHoops
His revenge is NOT going to be pretty, if that pool isn't heated first.
Hint! Check your shoes.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:41:16pm |
re: #541 SanFranciscoZionist
But how many loads of wash can you do for, say, ten bucks, using each system?
Get your calculators ready!
1..2..3!
LOL!
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:42:20pm |
re: #534 prairiefire
re: #433 Stanley Sea
So , I was 12 and /2, and bored. Walked from the baby sitter's house to the public library. Picked up a rock and roll album, put it on the public play turn table. Put on the headphones and changed my life:[Link: www.youtube.com...]
love it. never get enough of it.
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Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:42:33pm |
re: #541 SanFranciscoZionist
But how many loads of wash can you do for, say, ten bucks, using each system?
That's what I'll have to figure out. I can't remember how much this box of soap cost. Next time in the store I'll check. On the box it says 37 full loads. I'll check out some other brands as well as the concentrated liquid brands.
Then I guess I'll just keep trying these nut things out and keep track of how many loads it actually does to see if it matches with what it says it's supposed to do.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:43:12pm |
I should never drink caffeine at night. I'll never learn.
Tappity-tappity-tappity tappity-tappity-tappity tappity-tappity-tappity (shuffle) tappity-tappity-tappity tappity-tappity-tappity tappity-tappity-tappity (shuffle) tappity-tappity-tappity tappity-tappity-tappity tappity-tappity-tappity (shuffle)
[George Burns]Now that's entertainment![/George Burns]
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Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:43:30pm |
re: #525 Jadespring
Hmm. I don't think doing it by weight would work as the two don't really compare that way. On the laundry detergent box I have it says 37 loads at a full cup measure which is for a full load. The nut things are really light so it would take way more then what they say to use for a load to equal that cup.
Hold on. I'm going to find out for sure...
We all probably use more detergent than necessary, but the bottom line is that the chemistry is the same whether it comes from the nut or the powder. The problem is one doesn't know how much surfactant there is in the nuts, or a cup full of a detergent so weight alone is problematic.
I suppose you just need to figure out how little of each you will be satisfied with and then calculate if the costs compare.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:44:10pm |
re: #547 beekiller
Maybe you should think about stopping at noon?
Then you could get to sleep.
Suggestion, only.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:44:49pm |
re: #507 LudwigVanQuixote
My father, who truly is a sage, once set me down when I was about 12. He said "Ludwig (of course he used me real name), you are very scientific, how would you classify women scientifically?
I said "Homo-sapiens?"
More generally he said.
I said, they are mammals?
"YES!" my father beamed. "How do you get a mammal to like you?"
"Ummm you feed it dad?"
"Very good!" He beamed. "learn to cook." He went on to say, and if you really want bonus points, clean up the dishes when you are done.
Great point, and it worked well for my father. Of course, given how good he looked at the time (and he still looks good for his age), he had the inside track for romance. Both of my parents were considered at the time "quite the catch". Them getting married is two '10s' getting together. Their daughter, my sister, rates about an 8 or 9 and so is somewhat picky about who she will date. I myself do not rate at all, since I have no interest in romance.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:46:07pm |
re: #550 Dark_Falcon
But, Can you cook?
That's important too.
Plus, we know you're a handsome fellow!
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:46:30pm |
re: #550 Dark_Falcon
I will enjoy watching that change DF. Assuming all will be reported to LGF.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:46:35pm |
re: #543 Floral Giraffe
His revenge is NOT going to be pretty, if that pool isn't heated first.
Hint! Check your shoes.
Indiana Summers are hot and humid..just miserable really...He is cute swimming in circles in the pool..He mostly likes to hang out in his little boat...I float around the pool in the summer
| 554 |
Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:47:36pm |
re: #553 HoosierHoops
Indiana Summers are hot and humid..just miserable really...He is cute swimming in circles in the pool..He mostly likes to hang out in his little boat...I float around the pool in the summer
Heh, get him a remote controlled yacht.
:)
| 555 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:47:58pm |
re: #498 LudwigVanQuixote
Got it!
Maybe there will be a volume 3!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:48:04pm |
re: #553 HoosierHoops
WILL THE WATER BE HEATED OR NOT?
I'm going to help Winston with his revenge, if you're chucking him into cold water.
Be warned my friend!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:48:42pm |
re: #542 Floral Giraffe
Try this?
[Link: www.seriouseats.com...]
Link works and that looks delicious. I wasn't aware that french lentils were different. I'll keep an eye out for them. Lentils are one of my favorites. Dirt cheap and very tasty. I'll give that a try next time I hook a salmon. Summer runs should be happening here soon.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:49:10pm |
re: #549 Floral Giraffe
Maybe you should think about stopping at noon?
Then you could get to sleep.
Suggestion, only.
I know better but I'm hard-headed.
| 559 |
Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:49:17pm |
LOL
Hubby came downstairs, see the scale, sees the measuring cups with laundry soap and nuts in them, the box, stares at me and says "Hun, what ARE you doing?"
Um...science? Sort of?
| 560 |
Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:50:51pm |
re: #559 Jadespring
LOL
Hubby came downstairs, see the scale, sees the measuring cups with laundry soap and nuts in them, the box, stares at me and says "Hun, what ARE you doing?"
Um...science? Sort of?
Did you laugh like a mad scientist???
| 561 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:52:07pm |
re: #559 Jadespring
"Just trying some experiments with some dried up balls, honey! Sweet dreams!"
| 562 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:53:08pm |
re: #557 Killgore Trout
...and it does piss me off that crème fraîche is almost impossible to find here in the States. I usually substitute Sour Cream but I like their idea of cutting the sour cream with heavy cream and taking the average. Nice tip.
| 563 |
A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:53:13pm |
re: #556 Floral Giraffe
WILL THE WATER BE HEATED OR NOT?
I'm going to help Winston with his revenge, if you're chucking him into cold water.
Be warned my friend!
The water is nice..Winston is spoiled...You know it gets so hot and humid here in the summer..You want a cool pool...You don't even want to get out
| 565 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:53:50pm |
re: #559 Jadespring
LOL
Hubby came downstairs, see the scale, sees the measuring cups with laundry soap and nuts in them, the box, stares at me and says "Hun, what ARE you doing?"
Um...science? Sort of?
it's that LGF mind control...all part of teh eevill plot to create a Manchurian Canadian.
not sure where we go from there, but it's science!
| 566 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:54:31pm |
How much is Iceland going to have to pay in carbon set offs?
I kid! I kid! calm down!
| 567 |
Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:55:48pm |
re: #565 Aceofwhat?
it's that LGF mind control...all part of teh eevill plot to create a Manchurian Canadian.
not sure where we go from there, but it's science!
LOL. I did try to explain what I was doing and that I was discussing it on the net and he just shook his head and walked away. "Hun you're weird. Love you, but you're really weird sometimes."
| 568 |
Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:56:46pm |
Steve and other Blues lovers - check out this Kos diary (really, do it)
These pictures are all from the Juke Joint Blues Festival that happened this past weekend, in Clarksdale, MS. Coahoma County, MS is the heart of the Mississippi Delta, and some of the world's most legendary bluesmen play here. Along with just some really colorful characters.
| 569 |
Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:57:21pm |
re: #557 Killgore Trout
It looked like a VERY good food blog.
The salmon & lentils recipes ( minus the cream & mustard sauce) is as far as I can tell, what I had for dinner last night. Chef Alain Giraud has 4 stars, and the food was really good. Healthier than the links suggestions, but really close. The starter was 1/2 head of butter lettuce with red wine vinagrette and chopped chives. I am now researching how to cultivate butter lettuce! Which I already liked before!
| 570 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:57:22pm |
re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How much is Iceland going to have to pay in carbon set offs?
I kid! I kid! calm down!
Nothing, a volcano qualifies as an "Act of God". ;)
| 571 |
Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:58:08pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:58:58pm |
re: #562 Killgore Trout
...and it does piss me off that crème fraîche is almost impossible to find here in the States. I usually substitute Sour Cream but I like their idea of cutting the sour cream with heavy cream and taking the average. Nice tip.
It doesn't taste quite right to me. Not bad, but sour cream should be sour.
| 573 |
Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:00:41pm |
LOL!
"Right Wing" Website's linky to their "Tea Party Pics!
[Link: lucianne.com...]
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compound idaho Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:00:54pm |
re: #2 Obdicut
In each case, the deniers are going to engage in the usual:
Attacking the credentials of the reviewers.
Alleging political pressure.
Finding financial connections between the reviewers and green energy
Saying there are more reviews to come
Finding any remotely critical part of the review and citing it out of context.
Hopefully at least this thread will be free of them.
I found their comments regarding the use of statistics interesting. In reality, those are a pretty strong words even with the walking back which they did plenty of. They clearly felt the need to say something on the topic although given their charge, I do not know that it was required. I'm sure they thought long and hard on the choice of language. Must have been an fun conversation. The world was watching. Would like to have been a fly on the wall.
How much stronger could they have been without upsetting the whole apple cart? They clearly indicate the methods were not the best. Imagine if they had said they were inappropriate or worse.
| 575 |
Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:01:25pm |
Creepy. New reports are reporting a prowler about a few blocks away from where I live, sneaking into peoples yards, mastrubating and posing as a charity guy selling candy casing people's houses.
| 576 |
Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:01:59pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:02:38pm |
re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You're gonna love my nuts!
| 580 |
Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:02:45pm |
And here's the same site's linkage for the "infiltrators".
LOL!
[Link: lucianne.com...]
Charles, please tell me if this isn't OK!
It's just so funny!
| 581 |
Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:02:48pm |
re: #570 Dark_Falcon
Nothing, a volcano qualifies as an "Act of God". ;)
*HEHEHE, no one suspects a thing!*
| 582 |
The Shadow Do Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:03:12pm |
re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Creepy. New reports are reporting a prowler about a few blocks away from where I live, sneaking into peoples yards, mastrubating and posing as a charity guy selling candy casing people's houses.
There would be a high probability of getting his pecker shot off in my neighborhood.
| 583 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:03:48pm |
re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Creepy. New reports are reporting a prowler about a few blocks away from where I live, sneaking into peoples yards, mastrubating and posing as a charity guy selling candy casing people's houses.
Would you mind placing the events in order.
A masturbating man would have a hard time posing as a charity guy selling candy...
| 584 |
ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:04:14pm |
re: #568 Stanley Sea
Steve and other Blues lovers - check out this Kos diary (really, do it)
| 585 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:04:42pm |
re: #583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Would you mind placing the events in order?
A masturbating man would have a hard time posing as a charity guy selling candy...
Please don't ask me how I might know that....
| 586 |
Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:05:01pm |
| 587 |
Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:05:27pm |
re: #585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Please don't ask me how I might know that...
LOL. You can just switch some of the words around..
| 588 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:05:45pm |
re: #573 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
"Right Wing" Website's linky to their "Tea Party Pics!
[Link: lucianne.com...]
Oddly enough No crowd pics of the DC gathering. Everybody seems to omit DC from their pics and crowd estimates. DC was supposed to be the big culmination of the Tea Party express tour across the country and nobody covered it. I assume it was a flop.
| 589 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:06:56pm |
re: #585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Please don't ask me how I might know that...
because he already tried to sell you cake?
| 590 |
Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:08:05pm |
re: #583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Would you mind placing the events in order.
A masturbating man would have a hard time posing as a charity guy selling candy...
Security cameras caught the guy sneaking into yards and him mastrubating, he then showed up later at the house trying to gain entry while a woman and her infant were posing as selling candy for a charity. Broad daylight, middle of the day.
| 591 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:08:29pm |
re: #581 Varek Raith
*HEHEHE, no one suspects a thing!*
What sort of seismic weapon have you come up with now, oh Dark Lord of the Sith?
| 593 |
Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:11:15pm |
re: #591 Dark_Falcon
What sort of seismic weapon have you come up with now, oh Dark Lord of the Sith?
Beats me! It was supposed to just make omelets....
| 594 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:15:18pm |
| 595 |
swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:16:11pm |
re: #584 ryannon
My sister used to sing this song. If her husband heard her singing this when he was coming home from work... He would go somewhere else for a while.
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compound idaho Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:17:06pm |
re: #298 Obdicut
Thank you for proving my point.
You are quite welcome.
I do think the comments are worth serious consideration. If it were my work I certainly would.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:20:33pm |
I just watched To Kill a Mockingbird (again) on dvd. Great flick. (an even better book!) Gregory Peck was brilliant.
I used to get distracted when they started talking about "bustin' up a chifforobe". My mind would wander away, wondering what the hell is a chifforobe? Until I finally looked it up:
chif•fo•robe n. Chiefly Southern U.S.
A tall piece of furniture typically having drawers on one side and space for hanging clothes on the other.
If I have a son, I think I'll name him Atticus.
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Mich-again Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:00:37pm |
The climate debate is silly in that whether someone "believes" that humankind is having an effect on the earth's climate or not, it makes sense to have the same basic goals, namely eliminating waste and conserving. Isn't that what conservatives are supposed to be about? What, are modern conservatives suddenly promoting waste just so they can keep the hitting streak of disagreeing with "Liberals" intact? It almost seems that way.
Forget about the whole climatological debate for a minute, because really, its about time to stop worrying about educating the purposefully ignorant and get on with the business of actually doing something about the problem. However feeble the efforts may seem they can add up. Policies should focus on cutting energy waste, especially when tax dollars are paying for it. A few ideas... Cut the US Mail delivery to 4 days a week and charge more for delivering junk mail. Put school districts on 4 day weeks to save 20% of busing costs. Get the road crews around the country to time the stop lights in town to keep traffic flowing better improving everyones' gas mileage (that one offers huge savings!) Figure out how to keep traffic flowing around construction zones and eliminate the mile-long backups, I could go on... All are simple ideas that just need leadership from politicians.
And at the same time we should open up more domestic oil drilling with the agreement that a portion of the profits generated would go directly to investment in a new electric grid and the alterrnative energy sources which will eventually replace petroleum altogether. We need lots of cash flow to pay for all that stuff. Why not use the oil we have?
The key is, cutting waste along with increasing the energy supply to create a glut in the energy market which will eventually crash the price. What true conservative could oppose the idea of cutting waste and saving taxpayers money and taking money out of the oil tick's pockets?
If it makes the climate change "believers" happy at the same time, so be it.
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jim_beam Mon, Apr 19, 2010 12:26:26am |
McIntyre says the terms of reference limited the Oxburgh report to almost exclusively uncontentious articles, while the articles he had criticized were ignored. Sounds to me like the Oxburgh report can't be worth a whole lot if it never even investigated the more serious statistical concerns raised by McIntyre... Just sayin
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Charles Johnson Mon, Apr 19, 2010 12:38:49am |
re: #599 jim_beam
McIntyre says the terms of reference limited the Oxburgh report to almost exclusively uncontentious articles, while the articles he had criticized were ignored. Sounds to me like the Oxburgh report can't be worth a whole lot if it never even investigated the more serious statistical concerns raised by McIntyre... Just sayin
Of course Steve McIntyre says that. He's one of the most determined climate change deniers on the Internet, and one of the most deceptive and hysterical bloggers about Climategate. He's been screaming about this ridiculous non-scandal since the day it broke, and he's not going to give up just because the CRU scientists are being completely vindicated -- he's got a job to do, and it's called denial.
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rawsnacks Mon, Apr 19, 2010 9:20:38am |
Seems to me if a scientific body has to be defended by a political body, something ain't right. I thought science was kewl enough to stand on it's own.
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Obdicut Mon, Apr 19, 2010 9:54:58am |
re: #601 rawsnacks
Wow. That's a new one! I'll add it to the list of moronic ways that the deniers manage to avoid the obvious conclusions of this report.
Do you think the fact that scientists need defending is perhaps because they're not very good at politics, because they're goddamn scientists? Criminals attacked scientists-- doesn't that bug you? We kind of need scientists.
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