Palin’s Theocratic Daze

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Vote for Sarah Palin in 2012 if you want the United States to be ruled by fundamentalists! Last Friday she told the “Women of Joy” conference in Kentucky that the founding fathers really meant for the United States to be a Christian theocracy, really they did, you betcha! All that talk about “separation of church and state?” That’s just a leftist media plot over there!

She asked for the women — who greeted her with an enthusiastic standing ovation — to provide a “prayer shield” to strengthen her against what she said was “deception” in the media.

She denounced this week’s Wisconsin federal court ruling that government observance of a National Day of Prayer was unconstitutional — which the crowd joined in booing. She asserted that America needs to get back to its Christian roots and rejected any notion that “God should be separated from the state.”

“Hearing any leader declare that America isn’t a Christian nation and poking at allies like Israel in the eye — it is mind-boggling to see some of our nation’s actions recently, but politics truly is a topic for another day,” Palin said.

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753 comments
1 freetoken  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:40:07pm

Kentucky... home of the Creation Museum. I guess if The Sarah is going to all religious and everything there would be no better place.

2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:44:04pm

I really never new that Sarah "drill me" Palin was so very very willing to simply throw out the constitution. This is a shocking low even for her.

But for the sake of the troops we ought to stop saying nasty things about her.

Honest to G-d, if that crazy, deluded moronic theocratic, anti-woman, anti-reason, anti American (and yes trying to tear down the Establishment clause is as anti-American as it gets) wins high office, particularly after showing her loyalty to those who vote for her, this nation will truly be lost.

3 PaxAmericana  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:45:39pm

Nothing says leadership like quitting. I wouldn't want Palin to lead my dog on a leash.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:47:20pm

There is a serious distinction between "separation of church and state" and "separation of religion and state".

This nuance is lost on a lot of people for whom

God = Christian god

and

all else = idolatry and devil worship

radical athiests on one hand want to see any mention of god removed from public life. They are overreacting to a time when Christianity was the de facto "state religion", God and the Bible were a regular part of political speech, and nobody dared object to it.

Now Palin is leading the countermarch.

But she is ignoring history and the Constitution.

The Enlightenment taught us that the only way to avoid the sort of sectarian violence that destroyed great parts of Western Civilization was to keep religion a private mater, subject to government protection in its practice (within the extent of the law) but not to be promoted by the state or favored over any other practices.

5 Kragar  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:50:07pm

But remember boys and girls, its just those scary liberals who keep trying to rewrite the Constitution. We're just making the corrections which we are pretty darn tootin sure the Founding Fathers really wanted. Don't believe us? But we're waving the American flag a whole lot, dontcha know?

6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:51:47pm

The Treaty of Tripoli, Article Eleven. Written and signed into law by our FOUNDING FUCKING FATHERS! Read it, Sarah. You bubble-headed, revanchist nit-wit.

7 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:52:52pm

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

The Treaty of Tripoli, Article Eleven. Written and signed into law by our FOUNDING FUCKING FATHERS! Read it, Sarah. You bubble-headed, revanchist nit-wit.


They were only saying that to assuage those Moroccans to get them to help us fight terrorists. God will forgive them.

8 lostlakehiker  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:54:29pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

I really never new that Sarah "drill me" Palin was so very very willing to simply throw out the constitution. This is a shocking low even for her.

But for the sake of the troops we ought to stop saying nasty things about her.

Honest to G-d, if that crazy, deluded moronic theocratic, anti-woman, anti-reason, anti American (and yes trying to tear down the Establishment clause is as anti-American as it gets) wins high office, particularly after showing her loyalty to those who vote for her, this nation will truly be lost.

She has no chance. None.

I do quibble with "moronic". Palin is an ignorant demagogue, but as Camille Paglia wrote, she has taught college and she knows a thing or two about sizing up intelligence, and Palin has plenty of native wit.

Like Limbaugh, she's stuck with an audience that is also ignorant, and must play to it if she's to sustain her 15 minutes of fame. So she does, because like Limbaugh she runs on the esteem of others and can't give up that ego-inflating fix of having a crowd of followers.

This doesn't win you votes in the make or break primaries because people begin to think hey if we vote for this person they may actually win the nomination and then what? We'll either lose in the general election or worse yet, win, that's what.

9 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:55:51pm

Sarah Palin is coming to Baltimore in early May, for a "motivational seminar" at the 1st Mariner Bank Arena (where they otherwise serve up crappy shows like indoor motocross).

She'll be there along with other grifters and shysters like Zig Ziglar and Steve Forbes. And Colin Powell, who seems to have lost all self-respect and dignity.

Only $4.95 per person ("or bring your entire office for only $19")!

It was a full-page ad in today's Baltimore Sun, the paper of H.L. Mencken, who would be spinning in his grave at black-hole-producing speed if the Chicago Tribune, which now owns the local rag, hadn't driven a stake through his heart.

What the hell? Are her rates dropping? Is her stock crumbling?

For $4.95 I can see myself attending and holding up a sign about her lying bullshit "deth panils" crap. I wonder who's taking care of Trig these days while she pimps and whores her way through the American scene.

Anyone wanna come with?

10 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:56:14pm

re: #8 lostlakehiker

She has no chance. None.

I do quibble with "moronic". Palin is an ignorant demagogue, but as Camille Paglia wrote, she has taught college and she knows a thing or two about sizing up intelligence, and Palin has plenty of native wit.

Like Limbaugh, she's stuck with an audience that is also ignorant, and must play to it if she's to sustain her 15 minutes of fame. So she does, because like Limbaugh she runs on the esteem of others and can't give up that ego-inflating fix of having a crowd of followers.

This doesn't win you votes in the make or break primaries because people begin to think hey if we vote for this person they may actually win the nomination and then what? We'll either lose in the general election or worse yet, win, that's what.

I hope you are correct and I do see your point. My fear is that since she hasn't already been laughed into oblivion, America may be much more messed up then we might think.

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:57:42pm

I'll bet Sarah knows how fuckin' magnets work.
/little invisible daemons

12 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:57:43pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

I wouldn't stop saying nasty things about her unless God Almighty told me to in person.

She is the personification of American political nastiness.

13 Kragar  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:58:32pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll bet Sarah knows how fuckin' magnets work.
/little invisible daemons

ACCURSED MAGNETS!

14 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:58:43pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Sarah Palin is coming to Baltimore in early May, for a "motivational seminar" at the 1st Mariner Bank Arena (where they otherwise serve up crappy shows like indoor motocross).

She'll be there along with other grifters and shysters like Zig Ziglar and Steve Forbes. And Colin Powell, who seems to have lost all self-respect and dignity.

Only $4.95 per person ("or bring your entire office for only $19")!

It was a full-page ad in today's Baltimore Sun, the paper of H.L. Mencken, who would be spinning in his grave at black-hole-producing speed if the Chicago Tribune, which now owns the local rag, hadn't driven a stake through his heart.

What the hell? Are her rates dropping? Is her stock crumbling?

For $4.95 I can see myself attending and holding up a sign about her lying bullshit "deth panils" crap. I wonder who's taking care of Trig these days while she pimps and whores her way through the American scene.

Anyone wanna come with?

I am impressed that you used spinning at black hole producing speed. If you could hold something together somehow while spinning it at relativistic speeds, you could make one eventually....

I am impressed. The other physics geek way to say it is spinning fast enough to give off light.

15 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:59:59pm

OK guys I have found something so brain melt inducing, that it will compare with this thread.

Take this Sarah "drill me" Palin.

I give you the ultimate insult by making even your lunacy seem irrelevant and secondary.

Warning, this will cause brain melt.

Youtube Video
16 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:00:46am

re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote

I hope you are correct and I do see your point. My fear is that since she hasn't already been laughed into oblivion, America may be much more messed up then we might think.

America is much more messed up than you can possibly imagine. I know this because I spent two years travelling around on a motorcycle in perfect troglodyte disguise.

17 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:01:15am

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF Damn keyboard. I am buying a new one.

I really never knew that Sarah "drill me" Palin was so very very willing to simply throw out the constitution. This is a shocking low even for her.

But for the sake of the troops we ought to stop saying nasty things about her.

Honest to G-d, if that crazy, deluded moronic theocratic, anti-woman, anti-reason, anti American (and yes trying to tear down the Establishment clause is as anti-American as it gets) wins high office, particularly after showing her loyalty to those who vote for her, this nation will truly be lost.

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:02:00am

re: #13 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Forsaken Lodestones: How doth they operate?

19 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:03:19am

re: #16 Cato the Elder

America is much more messed up than you can possibly imagine. I know this because I spent two years travelling around on a motorcycle in perfect troglodyte disguise.

Youtube Video
20 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:03:25am

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

Forsaken Lodestones: How doth they operate?

Verily, they do be confounding and perplexing.

21 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:04:53am

Any "prayer shield" the Wasilla Twit might garner from her idiot women will be negated by my Prog Tranzi Catholic prayer circle of transnational progressive nuns and friars.

Palin has no chance.

22 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:06:12am

re: #20 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Verily, they do be confounding and perplexing.

Forsooth, doctors of natural philosophy hath shewn the mysteries of phlogiston to be the very portal to the great stone.

23 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:08:17am

re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote

Forsooth, doctors of natural philosophy hath shewn the mysteries of phlogiston to be the very portal to the great stone.

Oh, fucking rainbows. Why didn't you say so?

24 Kruk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:08:44am

Interesting case going through the Supreme Court. My take is that the Christian Law Students Association is perfectly entitled to require members to condemn homosexuality as long as it remains a private association. It seems a bit much to demand funding from the University while contravening the University's anti-discrimination policies, though.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:09:16am

re: #24 Kruk

Interesting case going through the Supreme Court. My take is that the Christian Law Students Association is perfectly entitled to require members to condemn homosexuality as long as it remains a private association. It seems a bit much to demand funding from the University while contravening the University's anti-discrimination policies, though.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I would have to agree.

26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:14:58am

re: #20 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Concur. And I hath not the desire to parley with those who study the demonic field of the sciences. Yea, they are fornicators of matrons, doth prevaricate mightily, and riseth mine ire.

27 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:17:18am

For your amusement, the idiocy and derangement of deniers of AGW. This really fits with the Palin thread, because Sarah "drill me" Palin depends on idiots like this.

I have a fan at another site who posted this:

As much as I piss and moan about this place at least we have a bit of fun. Can you imagine being at a place where things like this are posted?

Well because of relativistic effects on time and space, the electric field of a charge moving in a reference frame different than yours becomes a magnetic field in your frame. Since the magnetic field is a vector field, the vectors superpose, thus if you have charges moving in a closed loop you create a north and south pole. If you align current loops the vectors stack further and you have a magnet.

Please interpret this for me – it sounds like drivel.

Now this really is second semester physics. The person who thinks this sounds like drivel is an AGW denier who nonetheless has the balls to argue about all that science stuff as if he knows what science is.

28 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:18:06am

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Oh, by the way: another of the speakers will be Michael Phelps.

That's right, the Olympic swimmer.

Seems like the socons have conveniently forgotten how they trashed his ass for smoking pot.

Never mind. He and Sarah and Colon Bowel will teach you how to be successful in today's economy.

Rule one: Quit your position of influence and authority when you get a better offer.

Rule two: Sell your sagging ass for $4.95 a head when your book sales start to tank.

Rule three: Never underestimate the stupidity of American suckers.

Rule four: Don't forget to demand first-class accommodations and Lear Jet transportation to and from the suckerfest.

You'll be rich - rich, I tells ya! - in six months, or no money back.

29 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:18:46am

So uhh, I kinda hate to bring this up even, but exactly which sect of Christianity will be in charge of the new Theocracy?

/This would make the civil war look like a schoolyard spitball fight. :(

30 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:22:00am

re: #29 ausador

So uhh, I kinda hate to bring this up even, but exactly which sect of Christianity will be in charge of the new Theocracy?

/This would make the civil war look like a schoolyard spitball fight. :(

I'm guessing here - the sect that figures prominently in "A Handmaid's Tale"?

There are some who read that book as a manual and blueprint for the future society.

31 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:24:09am

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Oh, by the way: another of the speakers will be Michael Phelps.

That's right, the Olympic swimmer.

Seems like the socons have conveniently forgotten how they trashed his ass for smoking pot.

Never mind. He and Sarah and Colon Bowel will teach you how to be successful in today's economy.

Rule one: Quit your position of influence and authority when you get a better offer.

Rule two: Sell your sagging ass for $4.95 a head when your book sales start to tank.

Rule three: Never underestimate the stupidity of American suckers.

Rule four: Don't forget to demand first-class accommodations and Lear Jet transportation to and from the suckerfest.

You'll be rich - rich, I tells ya! - in six months, or no money back.

I'm a bit surprised at Phelps for just that reason. Well whoever said that jocks were always bright? What shocks me is that Powell would do such a 180. He took a very courageous stand. For him to be on the same stage as Palin is like McCain no longer being a Maverick. It's really heart-breaking since Powell was the one Republican of any real note that I respected.

32 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:25:37am

re: #29 ausador

So uhh, I kinda hate to bring this up even, but exactly which sect of Christianity will be in charge of the new Theocracy?

/This would make the civil war look like a schoolyard spitball fight. :(

Sleeper cells of trained Amish Death Squads are scattered across the country, awaiting the signal to release their poisoned fudge and anthrax tainted quilts on an unsuspecting populace.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:25:45am

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Seems like the socons have conveniently forgotten how they trashed his ass for smoking pot.

Hypocrites. I didn't give a flying fuck about him during the Olympics, I didn't care that he smoked weed, and I don't care about what he does now. It's his life, not mine.

Though I may have a new found respect for him if he told the crowd to fuck off with their hypocrisy, and then slam the mic down on the floor.

34 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:28:55am

re: #27 LudwigVanQuixote

For your amusement, the idiocy and derangement of deniers of AGW. This really fits with the Palin thread, because Sarah "drill me" Palin depends on idiots like this.

I have a fan at another site who posted this:

Now this really is second semester physics. The person who thinks this sounds like drivel is an AGW denier who nonetheless has the balls to argue about all that science stuff as if he knows what science is.

Well, doesn't surprise one that they're anti-science. :D

HULK DUN LIKE PHYSICS PHYSICS HARD HULK SMASH

35 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:29:59am

re: #30 Cato the Elder

I'm guessing here - the sect that figures prominently in "A Handmaid's Tale"?

There are some who read that book as a manual and blueprint for the future society.

Good reference. But truly the future will look more like this:

Youtube Video
36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:32:34am

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

Hypocrites. I didn't give a flying fuck about him during the Olympics, I didn't care that he smoked weed, and I don't care about what he does now. It's his life, not mine.

Though I may have a new found respect for him if he told the crowd to fuck off with their hypocrisy, and then slam the mic down on the floor.

This is what he should do, Deteriorata from national Lampoon:


You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here.
Deteriorata. Deteriorata.

Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss, and when.
Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

Remember The Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you -
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan.
And let not the sands of time get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken.
Take heart in the bedeepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot,
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god,
Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
The world continues to deteriorate.
Give up!

37 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:33:11am

re: #21 Cato the Elder

Any "prayer shield" the Wasilla Twit might garner from her idiot women will be negated by my Prog Tranzi Catholic prayer circle of transnational progressive nuns and friars.

Palin has no chance.

That "prayer shield" did not protect her daughter very well, did it?

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:34:55am

re: #27 LudwigVanQuixote

Yea verily, upon and inside this matronly canine, mysticism is abound.

/Translation for Juggalos "There's magic all up in this bitch".

39 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:36:13am

re: #4 ralphieboy

The Enlightenment taught us that the only way to avoid the sort of sectarian violence that destroyed great parts of Western Civilization was to keep religion a private mater, subject to government protection in its practice (within the extent of the law) but not to be promoted by the state or favored over any other practices.

I would have to interject here that the "Enlightenment" also taught us to beware of enlightenment.

It was, after all, the direct predecessor of not only the French Revolution but the Reign of Terror.

I do not trust anyone who purports to know how to bring about the "perfectibility of mankind".

Give me good old English muddling-through pragmatism over any fucking "enlightenment" any century.

40 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:39:45am

So, are these guys legit?

AN OPEN LETTER OF RECONCILIATION & RESPONSIBILITY TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE

From Current and Former Members of the U.S. Military

Peace be with you.

To all of those who were injured or lost loved ones during the July 2007 Baghdad shootings depicted in the “Collateral Murder” Wikileaks video:

We write to you, your family, and your community with awareness that our words and actions can never restore your losses.

We are both soldiers who occupied your neighborhood for 14 months. Ethan McCord pulled your daughter and son from the van, and when doing so, saw the faces of his own children back home. Josh Stieber was in the same company but was not there that day, though he contributed to the your pain, and the pain of your community on many other occasions.

There is no bringing back all that was lost. What we seek is to learn from our mistakes and do everything we can to tell others of our experiences and how the people of the United States need to realize we have done and are doing to you and the people of your country. We humbly ask you what we can do to begin to repair the damage we caused.

We have been speaking to whoever will listen, telling them that what was shown in the Wikileaks video only begins to depict the suffering we have created. From our own experiences, and the experiences of other veterans we have talked to, we know that the acts depicted in this video are everyday occurrences of this war: this is the nature of how U.S.-led wars are carried out in this region.

We acknowledge our part in the deaths and injuries of your loved ones as we tell Americans what we were trained to do and what we carried out in the name of "god and country". The soldier in the video said that your husband shouldn't have brought your children to battle, but we are acknowledging our responsibility for bringing the battle to your neighborhood, and to your family. We did unto you what we would not want done to us.

[...]

We have asked our fellow veterans and service-members, as well as civilians both in the United States and abroad, to sign in support of this letter, and to offer their names as a testimony to our common humanity, to distance ourselves from the destructive policies of our nation's leaders, and to extend our hands to you.

With such pain, friendship might be too much to ask. Please accept our apology, our sorrow, our care, and our dedication to change from the inside out. We are doing what we can to speak out against the wars and military policies responsible for what happened to you and your loved ones. Our hearts are open to hearing how we can take any steps to support you through the pain that we have caused.

Solemnly and Sincerely,
Josh Stieber, former specialist, U.S. Army
Ethan McCord, former specialist, U.S. Army

41 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:39:47am

Hey all I have a confession to make.

I don't like teabaggers.

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:41:35am

re: #39 Cato the Elder

I would have to interject here that the "Enlightenment" also taught us to beware of enlightenment.

It was, after all, the direct predecessor of not only the French Revolution but the Reign of Terror.

I do not trust anyone who purports to know how to bring about the "perfectibility of mankind".

Give me good old English muddling-through pragmatism over any fucking "enlightenment" any century.

The militant anti-clericism of the French Revolution was a reaction to the role of the Church in the old Monarchy and morphed into militant athiesm.

But face it, when it comes to dealing with religion, we are far from reasonable and rational about it, hence the need to relegate it to the private sphere, afford it certain protections but otherwise not promote it through state institutions.

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:42:52am

re: #41 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohthankgoodness! I thought I was the only one...

44 Ulysses  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:46:51am

Quoth the Palin:

She asserted that America needs to get back to its Christian roots and rejected any notion that “God should be separated from the state.”

I suppose it's no coincidence that the person who coined the phrase "separation of church and state" (Thomas Jefferson) was left out of the social science text books in Texas. If Palin and the fundamentalists find that history doesn't fit their reality, they rewrite history.

45 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:48:13am

re: #42 ralphieboy

The militant anti-clericism of the French Revolution was a reaction to the role of the Church in the old Monarchy and morphed into militant athiesm.

But face it, when it comes to dealing with religion, we are far from reasonable and rational about it, hence the need to relegate it to the private sphere, afford it certain protections but otherwise not promote it through state institutions.

Well, that's as may be, but fuck the "Enlightenment" for it's overweening belief that mankind can be remade in the image of philosophers, anyway.

As Mal says in "Serenity", "I do not hold to that."

And the word you're looking for is "atheism".

46 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:57:49am

re: #36 WindUpBird

A speech similar to [below] would be awesome. Likely to make every attendee poo themselves. Or scratch their heads, anyway.

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47 Ulysses  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:57:56am

re: #29 ausador

So uhh, I kinda hate to bring this up even, but exactly which sect of Christianity will be in charge of the new Theocracy?

/This would make the civil war look like a schoolyard spitball fight. :(

Bingo!

This is the the point all theocrats keep forgetting. The principle of separation of church and state is not to remove religion from national life, but to protect each individuals right to practice his or her own chosen faith (or not practice any faith). The theocrats always assume their denomination will be on top, but, as you point out, this is just a recipe for sectarian war.

48 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:04:51am

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

Ohthankgoodness! I thought I was the only one...

Those of who still like America and the principles it was actually founded on, ought band together and like have a counter movement.

I want to be very serious a moment about the teabaggers.

My comments on what should be done to those who spout treason and threaten the violent overthrow of the government have really hit a nerve with certain sectors of the web.

Good.

They are calling me a commie for despising their racist, hateful, ignorant and secessionist rhetoric.

Good. Nice to know where we stand.

America was founded by "commies" like me and preserved by "commies" like Washington and Lincoln who took the exact same dim view on treason that I do. Let's make no bones about this, waggling guns about as part of a protest against the government is not a subtle message. They are very clearly trying to intimidate America. Doing so on the anniversary of the OK city bombings is a true sign of where these folks are coming from.

McVeigh truly was the archetypal teabag. Look at his writings.

From the Wiki:

After leaving the army in 1992, McVeigh grew increasingly transient. At first he worked briefly near his hometown of Pendleton as a security guard, where he sounded off daily to his co-worker Carl Lebron, Jr. about his loathing for government. Deciding the Buffalo area was too liberal, he left his job and began driving around America, seeking out his old friends from the Army.[17]

McVeigh wrote letters to local newspapers, complaining about taxes:

Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate "promises," they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight... Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might.[18]


Sound familiar?

This is a teabagger and he did fulfill his anti government fantasies. He was also obsessed with white power. He purchased a white power t shirt from a klan rally because he thought black people in his army unit were too into black power. He felt so threatened by empowered blacks - as if that would destroy his white America.

Does that sound familiar?

The teabaggers who decided to waggle guns on the anniversary of McVeigh's crimes against the government surely understood a kindred spirit and made a very kindred threat.

Make no doubt about it. These animals want to destroy America and they are very much pushing the same rhetoric. They could not be more obvious in their intent. They lack for now the courage to take real actions, but it is a matter of time before one of them gets out of hand.

Very simply, if they want to tear down America, real Americans will fight them - and we will regret having to do so, but we will not flinch. I do not believe it is going to come to that in an open or large way. What will happen, is that these assholes will sooner or later fire their guns. When they do the police or the feds will deal with them accordingly, and they will be forgotten eventually.

Dealing with them accordingly means dealing with them exactly like we dealt with McVeigh.

49 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:07:24am

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Well, that's as may be, but fuck the "Enlightenment" for it's overweening belief that mankind can be remade in the image of philosophers, anyway.

As Mal says in "Serenity", "I do not hold to that."

And the word you're looking for is "atheism".

Thanks for the spell check...

The Enlightenment was a bit of an overreaction: first of all to the church's rejection of all science and knowledge that might threaten its political status.

And it was a reaction to the church's attitude that you will go to hell unless they issue you a ticket through the Pearly Gates.

And most people agre that humankind can be improved, just not perfected.

50 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:08:26am

just like my spelling...

51 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:08:33am

Well, the Russian network RT has posted their videos from yesterday's "Restore the Constitution" rallies:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
Youtube Video

What can I say... The Russian network gives these folk more attention than US broadcast networks?

52 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:10:08am

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Mankind needs no making nor remaking. It evolves accordingly to the pressures that surround it. As it ever was, as it ever shall be.
/and :P

53 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:14:21am

In fact, I want to point out some more about McVeigh and the teabaggers.

From the Wiki:

Shortly after the bombing, while driving on I-35 in Noble County, near Perry, Oklahoma, McVeigh was stopped by Oklahoma State Trooper Charles J. Hanger from Pawnee, Oklahoma.[48] Hanger had passed McVeigh's yellow 1977 Mercury Marquis and noticed that it had no license plate. McVeigh admitted to the police officer (who noticed a bulge under his jacket) that he had a gun and McVeigh was subsequently arrested for having driven without plates and illegal firearm possession; McVeigh's concealed weapon permit was not legal in Oklahoma. McVeigh was wearing a T-shirt at that time with a picture of Abraham Lincoln and the motto: sic semper tyrannis ('Thus, always, to tyrants'), the state motto of Virginia and also the words shouted by John Wilkes Booth after he shot Lincoln.[49] On the back, it had a tree with a picture of three blood droplets and the Thomas Jefferson quote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Sound familiar?

What about this from McVeigh:

It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being.

You mean like Oathtakers?

I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend.

Sound familiar as well?

So once again to be clear, the teabaggers come in two camps, the majority are the inchoate mobs who buy Fox news, and then there are the others who are exactly ideologically equivalent to McVeigh.

54 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:15:47am

And one final note on McVeigh and the dangerous teabagger types out there...

Real Americans will not let you destroy this nation.

55 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:20:30am

re: #47 Ulysses

Bingo!

This is the the point all theocrats keep forgetting. The principle of separation of church and state is not to remove religion from national life, but to protect each individuals right to practice his or her own chosen faith (or not practice any faith). The theocrats always assume their denomination will be on top, but, as you point out, this is just a recipe for sectarian war.

During the debate on whether the Ten Commandments should be displayed in public buildings, some smart-ass journalist (one who obviuosly had a few semesters of theology or philosphy under his belt) asked Preisent Bush which translation of the the Ten Commandments should be used.

"The standard one," was his answer.

Bush did not expound on what he considered the "standard" translation of the Ten Commandments. The King James version, perhaps?

The modern Texan? (Y'all lissen up what pappy says!)

Or should we pre-empt the debate and just post them in Hebrew?

56 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:23:45am

And now, for something completely different.

G'nite all.

57 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:24:56am

So to those Teabagger assholes who I know are reading this from other sites. You sound just like McVeigh. I am addressing the ones who honestly sit there and dream of gns and white America and secession and all of that. You are as obvious about worshiping his murderous ass as could be.

You do not fool anyone.

The deluded ones who simply watch Fox all the time and don't know their asses from holes in the ground are not the ones I am addressing.

You are not innocent or peaceful.

You are actual enemies of America. I had never imagined I would live in a time where such open treason was flirted with so publicly. When you do get bold and stupid enough to do something horrible, the law will find you, you will be either killed while resisting arrest or sentenced and executed.

I for one, will cheer.

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:30:40am

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote


The problem I have with the Teabaggers is one of their imagery and ideology: the original Tea party was an act of rebellion, but was justified by the fact that it was undertaken against a foreign tyrant.

They like to overlook that our current government was elected legally by a majority vote. Protest is allowed, but rebellion against a a legally elected government is treason.

59 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:38:48am

re: #16 Cato the Elder

America is much more messed up than you can possibly imagine. I know this because I spent two years travelling around on a motorcycle in perfect troglodyte disguise.

That sounds like a book right there.

60 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:46:02am

re: #58 ralphieboy

The problem I have with the Teabaggers is one of their imagery and ideology: the original Tea party was an act of rebellion, but was justified by the fact that it was undertaken against a foreign tyrant.

They like to overlook that our current government was elected legally by a majority vote. Protest is allowed, but rebellion against a a legally elected government is treason.

That and they wrap themselves in a flag that stands for a nation whose principles they are actively trying to destroy.

It is of course astonishing that their rhetoric is all about enemies of America, when even a passing belief in American values makes one know that they really are enemies of America.

Look up Timothy McVeigh. Read what that murderous terrorist butcher wrote. Read his hatred of the government. His insanity with taxes and a his seething racism.

Is it really a coincidence that gun wielding nut jobs choose the anniversary of his crime to protest the same delusions? OF course not. McVeigh is clearly a folk hero to them. They sit and whine as if they are somehow the ones who are oppressed when they worship a murderer. They whine that they are the real Americans when they talk treason and would destroy the very principles of this nation. They whine that other Americans who might look or believe differently than they do are somehow going to destroy their vision of a white America that never existed.

All through it they nurse a hateful fantasy of victim hood and recrimination that never looks inwards to its own pathetic failures. Then they seek to lash out.

They are like the poor Southerners who fought for the rights of slave owners and cloaked it in the name of State's rights and other rhetoric that spoke of freedoms but really meant slavery.

They are deluded, vicious and weak willed. Most terrible of all is that they are painfully afraid all the time. All that talk of guns all that talk of watering the tree of liberty.. whose blood do they mean? What liberties have they honestly lost?

No they are simply a bunch of backwards crazies who realize that the world has left them behind and they are frightened and angry and they have guns and they want us to know it. Like I wrote earlier anyone who sees a gun as a fetish is overcompensating.

Fortunately, the police and the Army have guns too. When one of these treason talking assholes decides to fire his weapon or blow something up, he will discover that he was not nearly as tough as the army or the police and not only will he will be dealt with accordingly, but America will be better without his "contributions."

61 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:58:11am

re: #40 freetoken

Contact information here with what appears to be their PR person.

62 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:01:08am

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

A speech similar to [below] would be awesome. Likely to make every attendee poo themselves. Or scratch their heads, anyway.

***ARCANUM SPOILER***
***ARCANUM SPOILER***
***ARCANUM SPOILER***
Do not click
***ARCANUM SPOILER***
***ARCANUM SPOILER***
***ARCANUM SPOILER***

Appreciate the spoiler warning.
:D

63 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:06:01am

re: #61 ryannon

I am wondering if anybody has checked out the Army guys to see if they are telling a legit story.

64 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:09:04am

re: #63 freetoken

I am wondering if anybody has checked out the Army guys to see if they are telling a legit story.

Alas did not. I was venting spleen at the tea baggers.

65 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:16:04am

re: #63 freetoken

I am wondering if anybody has checked out the Army guys to see if they are telling a legit story.

It would be interesting to see what Ms. Taylor (the contact person) has to say first.

66 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:21:50am

Hmm, any bets on when Katla will erupt?

Eyjafjallajökull lies just west of another subglacial volcano, Katla, which is much more active and known for its powerful subglacial eruptions and its large magma chamber. Each of the eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull in 920, 1612, and 1821-1823 has preceded an eruption of Katla. Katla has not displayed any unusual activity (such as expansion of the crust or seismic activity) during the 2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull, though geologists have been concerned about the general instability of the larger volcano since 1999. Some geophysicists in Iceland believe that the Eyjafjallajökull eruption may trigger an eruption of Katla, which would cause major flooding due to melting of glacial ice and send up massive plumes of ash. On April 20 2010, Icelandic President Olafur Grimsson called on European and international experts to draw up plans to deal with a possible eruption of Katla.
67 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:28:08am

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

A speech similar to [below] would be awesome. Likely to make every attendee poo themselves. Or scratch their heads, anyway.

***ARCANUM SPOILER***
***ARCANUM SPOILER***
***ARCANUM SPOILER***
Do not click
***ARCANUM SPOILER***
***ARCANUM SPOILER***
***ARCANUM SPOILER***

My goodness.

I've never gotten into one of these games in my life, but between this glimpse and the website on Alchemy I pulled up for an eventual posting, I see limitless scenarii for game developers. Stuff that's just sitting there, waiting to be fleshed out into a complex series of choices with the successful quest leading to the Philosopher's Stone and the ability to transform dross metal into gold. Here's just one of dozens of these treatises:

Petrus Bonus - A form and method of perfecting base metals.

From Giovanni Lacinius Pretiosa margarita novella de thesauro, ac pretiosissimo philosophorum lapide, Venice, 1546. I have included here some of my own handcoloured versions of the fourteen figures that represent the alchemical process.

No one made this up: it's the real alchemical deal. An essay just waiting to be made into a game with fabulous graphics that even I might be tempted to play....

Seriously, has anyone thought of exploiting this material? I don't know enough the gaming world to have a clue. But I can see some very, very interesting possibilities.

68 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:38:12am

From A form and method of perfecting base metals. by Janus Lacinius Therapus, the Calabrian:

Three rules must be carefully observed in our art : first prepare the right substance; then carry on the work continuously, so that it may not be marred by interruption; thirdly, be patient, and follow always in the footsteps of Nature.

Get (as your substance) highly purified Water of Life, and keep it; but do not suppose that the liquid which moistens all things, is the bright and limpid liquid of Bacchus. For while you anxiously look about in out-of-the-way places for extraordinary events, you pass by the sparkling waves of the blessed stream.

Precious bodily fluids? A metaphor? What could they be talking about here? Hoo, I love this stuff!

69 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:42:21am

Meanwhile, the spirit that will be called upon by the Dark Powers to inhabit Emanuel Rahm bides his time. The centuries pass as he patiently awaits his moment...

Image: a-gargoyle-on-notre-dame-catherdral-in-paris1.jpg

70 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:47:09am

Looks to be rather rainy here the next 3 days. Yup, this is a strong El Nino year. Temps could be 15 to 20 degrees below average they tell us...


CLIMATE CHAOS!


BUY GOLD!!

71 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:48:35am

re: #70 freetoken

Looks to be rather rainy here the next 3 days. Yup, this is a strong El Nino year. Temps could be 15 to 20 degrees below average they tell us...

CLIMATE CHAOS!

BUY GOLD!!

Image: gold.jpg

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:49:41am

re: #71 Varek Raith

Image: gold.jpg

We have bankers who can turn toxic assets into gold.

73 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:50:41am

re: #71 Varek Raith

There's gold, and then there is GOLD!!

74 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:58:36am

re: #70 freetoken

re: #71 Varek Raith

Turning Music Into Gold

Once one's eyes are opened, the alchemical quest is everywhere....

75 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:00:19am

re: #74 ryannon

Musicians... don't they want the Platinum?

76 Ulysses  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:01:22am

re: #70 freetoken

BUY GOLD!!


Buy gold? Why buy gold when you can...

A strange echoing voice rises out of the darkness of cyberspace
TRANSMUTE GOLD FROM BASE METALS!


re: #68 ryannon

From A form and method of perfecting base metals. by Janus Lacinius Therapus


Besides, once you perfect the Philosopher's Stone, you'll gain immortality.
It doesn't get better than that!

77 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:03:21am

re: #76 Ulysses

You need to BUY GOLD!! so that Ron Paul can inherit his (and your) Kingdom:

A Ron Paul Moment

Yeah, another air-head promoting the second third fourth coming of Ron Paul.

78 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:05:00am

The Sarah will be elevated to even greater heights and overwhelm our torpid legal system:

Palin set to take stand in Tenn. hacking trial

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:07:01am

re: #78 freetoken

The Sarah will be elevated to even greater heights and overwhelm our torpid legal system:

Palin set to take stand in Tenn. hacking trial

This sort of thing needs to be prosecuted, regardless of who the victim is.

80 Ulysses  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:07:55am

re: #77 freetoken

You need to BUY GOLD!! so that Ron Paul can inherit his (and your) Kingdom:

A Ron Paul Moment

Yeah, another air-head promoting the second third fourth coming of Ron Paul.

But I really wanted to transmute gold...

Oh well, maybe I could just transmute Ron Paul into Sarah Palin.

81 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:10:59am

You'll need one of these.
Image: Human_transmutation_circle_by_Ptiyokai.jpg

82 Ulysses  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:11:47am

re: #79 ralphieboy

This sort of thing needs to be prosecuted, regardless of who the victim is.

All kidding aside, I have to agree with you on this point.

83 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:13:12am

re: #75 freetoken

Musicians... don't they want the Platinum?

You've got a point there. But gold is something that seems to be hard-wired into our collective consciousness. Four letters, one syllable, and like the quest for the perfect woman, something that intimately reflects and animates men's souls since time immemorial, you betcha.

84 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:13:17am

re: #79 ralphieboy

re: #82 Ulysses

It's not whether a crime should be prosecuted, but rather that a jury can be manipulated, which is the concern.

85 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:14:59am

re: #83 ryannon

You've got a point there. But gold is something that seems to be hard-wired into our collective consciousness.

The Anunnaki did it?

86 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:15:23am

re: #81 Varek Raith

You'll need one of these.
Image: Human_transmutation_circle_by_Ptiyokai.jpg

Excellent. I say we transform LGF into an Alchemical site. Who needs politics when you can make your own gold?

87 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:15:48am

re: #84 freetoken

re: #82 Ulysses

It's not whether a crime should be prosecuted, but rather that a jury can be manipulated, which is the concern.

The problem one has when any prominent figures are involved in such a case, whether as perpetrator or victim.

88 Ulysses  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:15:52am

re: #81 Varek Raith

You'll need one of these.
Image: Human_transmutation_circle_by_Ptiyokai.jpg

Cool! I've been looking for one of those! I wonder if it does cat people too?

89 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:16:42am

re: #68 ryannon

From A form and method of perfecting base metals. by Janus Lacinius Therapus, the Calabrian:

Three rules must be carefully observed in our art : first prepare the right substance; then carry on the work continuously, so that it may not be marred by interruption; thirdly, be patient, and follow always in the footsteps of Nature.

Get (as your substance) highly purified Water of Life, and keep it; but do not suppose that the liquid which moistens all things, is the bright and limpid liquid of Bacchus. For while you anxiously look about in out-of-the-way places for extraordinary events, you pass by the sparkling waves of the blessed stream.

Precious bodily fluids? A metaphor? What could they be talking about here? Hoo, I love this stuff!

My best guess would be that it's a reference to the purified soul of one who has done the work necessary to become free from "self" and attachment to worldly things (the purified soul being like a sparkling mirror able to reflect Truth). The last bit would be about how we run around anxiously seeking, only to discover that the answer was within all along.

Or something like that. Too early in the morning for mysticism for me. ;o)

Have a nice day, everyone. Time for me to get to work...

90 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:16:45am

re: #85 freetoken

The Anunnaki did it?

Either that, or the butler.

91 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:18:31am

re: #90 ryannon

Sitchin believes the Anunnaki genetically engineered Homo sapiens as slave creatures to work their gold mines by crossing extraterrestrial genes with those of Homo erectus.

92 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:19:56am

re: #88 Ulysses

Cool! I've been looking for one of those! I wonder if it does cat people too?

NEKOMIMI!111!!!

93 Summer Seale  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:21:14am

Hi everybody! Sarah Palin here.

I just wanna say how awesome it is to have all these great people here cheering me on! Thank you so much for turning out and helping the cause.

You know, lots of people tell me that what I said about the government being a Christian nation is really just wrong. They like to use big words like "Church State Separation" and "Wall of Separation" and separation this and that - I bet they were the kinda people who used to get really good grades on vocab tests in school, but couldn't find a date for the prom, right!?

You Betcha!

Well, you know, that's all fine for the nerdy types to try and tell us popular people what to do with their big words and ideas, but we are the people! Right? Right???

That's totally right, and you know what else? We're a Christian people. All of us! From the oldest man in this great country - isn't it just great to be an Amereican! Isn't it?? - to the smallest child, to the little Hindu boy from India whose parents are just trying to make a buck opening a business up on the corner store, to the little Jewish kid who loves Israel the way I do! Yeah! That's right, isn't it? Lemme year ya! You betcha it's right! We're a Christian nation and we love to show our love for Christ, no matter what religion we were born into. Because, deep down, all Americans love Christ. All real Americans love him and up there in Alass-ka, we'd sing songs to him during those cold snowy winter nights while even the huskies were barking praises to him under the stars.

And that's what the Constitution is all about! It's about America, and we all know that the Founding Fathers were Americans, weren't they? You betcha they were, and they all loved God and Christ. And they didn't write up those things just to try to separate us from God. That's all those nerdy people want to do - and they don't believe in God anyway do they? No they don't! They're from France or another Godless place like Soviet Russia!

That's why people are all upset about it - nerdy people who just like separating things. They don't want to unite us! Well, I'm a uniter. We're the United States of America! - united under our love for country and God! That's right we are! You betcha!

So let's pray for a real American to take office in 2012, and not some Marxist, Kenya-born, heathen French-loving nerd who couldn't get a date in high school and who wants to separate everything and divide us!

Am I gonna run?

You Betcha!

xoxoxox,

Sarah Palin.

94 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:21:34am

re: #89 CuriousLurker

My best guess would be that it's a reference to the purified soul of one who has done the work necessary to become free from "self" and attachment to worldly things (the purified soul being like a sparkling mirror able to reflect Truth). The last bit would be about how we run around anxiously seeking, only to discover that the answer was within all along.

Or something like that. Too early in the morning for mysticism for me. ;o)

Have a nice day, everyone. Time for me to get to work...

Early or not, you're right on target. The alchemical 'work' was and is a spiritual, not a material voyage. This doesn't exclude the possibility of materializing the metaphore: there have been some brilliant essays on this possibility published during the 20th century by people such as Fulcanelli. and his disciples.

Oh, and have a nice day!

95 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:23:50am

re: #94 ryannon

Early or not, you're right on target. The alchemical 'work' was and is a spiritual, not a material voyage. This doesn't exclude the possibility of materializing the metaphore: there have been some brilliant essays on this possibility published during the 20th century by people such as Fulcanelli. and his disciples.

Oh, and have a nice day!

*Scratches head*

96 Ulysses  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:26:14am

re: #89 CuriousLurker

My best guess would be that it's a reference to the purified soul of one who has done the work necessary to become free from "self" and attachment to worldly things (the purified soul being like a sparkling mirror able to reflect Truth). The last bit would be about how we run around anxiously seeking, only to discover that the answer was within all along.

re: #94 ryannon

Early or not, you're right on target. The alchemical 'work' was and is a spiritual, not a material voyage.

Your both quite correct. The Magnum Opus (Great Work) of the alchemist is himself (or herself).

Now, I must be off as well.

97 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:33:39am

re: #95 Varek Raith

*Scratches head*

Read the link: there are dozens of film scenarii right there. Incredible stories.

Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.

98 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:36:08am

re: #93 Summer

Cato is going to be a very unhappy camper when he finds out that he missed you this morning....

99 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:44:32am

re: #96 Ulysses

Your both quite correct. The Magnum Opus (Great Work) of the alchemist is himself (or herself).

Now, I must be off as well.

"When Bergier asked Fulcanelli about the Philosopher's Stone, the alchemist answered: "...the vital thing is not the transmutation of metals but that of the experimenter himself. It is an ancient secret that a few people rediscover each century. Unfortunately, only a handful are successful..."[14]

100 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:50:21am

re: #84 freetoken

re: #82 Ulysses

It's not whether a crime should be prosecuted, but rather that a jury can be manipulated, which is the concern.

Perhaps the accused should have considered that before he decided to be a hacker!

101 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:52:46am

re: #58 ralphieboy

The problem I have with the Teabaggers is one of their imagery and ideology: the original Tea party was an act of rebellion, but was justified by the fact that it was undertaken against a foreign tyrant.
They like to overlook that our current government was elected legally by a majority vote. Protest is allowed, but rebellion against a a legally elected government is treason.

umm,, the colonists were subjects OF the crown at the time

Engalnd was not a "foreign tyrant"

102 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:54:37am

re: #101 sattv4u2

I think you and I are the only one left.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:55:41am

Someone hid my Gatorade powdered drink mix. I'm out of half and half, so I have to use milk. Will I let this dictate my day? Me thinky no. After all, I got strawberry Twizzlers!!! Morning Honcos!!!

104 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:55:44am

re: #102 Jetpilot1101

I think you and I are the only one left.

Soon to be you. So is getting ready for school. Have to drive him to the bus

105 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:56:21am

re: #104 sattv4u2

Soon to be you. Son is getting ready for school. Have to drive him to the bus


pimf

106 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:56:25am

re: #101 sattv4u2

umm,, the colonists were subjects OF the crown at the time

Engalnd was not a "foreign tyrant"

He was not an elected ruler. That was their chief complaint: the lack of representation in parliament. And he was in another country thousands of miles away.

107 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:57:31am

re: #104 sattv4u2

Soon to be you. So is getting ready for school. Have to drive him to the bus

I've got to run as well. I have a long day ahead in front of my computer wrangling paperwork. I'd rather be flying.

108 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:59:06am

re: #106 ralphieboy

He was not an elected ruler. That was their chief complaint: the lack of representation in parliament. And he was in another country thousands of miles away.

nice parse
fact is, however, the colonists were under the auspicies of the crown. Your analogy fails, elected ruler or not

OR,, you're saying it's okay to armed rebel against leaders as long as they are NOT elected

Cake/ Eat ,,, you decide

109 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:01:06am

The example of Turkey, where their religious government is dismantling secular democracy, should serve as a red flag for domestic American politics, not just foreign policy.

110 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:01:57am

re: #108 sattv4u2

nice parse
fact is, however, the colonists were under the auspicies of the crown. Your analogy fails, elected ruler or not

OR,, you're saying it's okay to armed rebel against leaders as long as they are NOT elected

Cake/ Eat ,,, you decide

Duh, yes, that is the idea of democracy, that is the reason that the US has stated in invading foreign countreis and it is the very essence of democracy: that taxation without representation is tyranny.

111 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:03:43am

re: #110 ralphieboy

Duh, yes, that is the idea of democracy, that is the reason that the US has stated in invading foreign countreis and it is the very essence of democracy: that taxation without representation is tyranny.

We've invaded foreing nations because they tax their citizens without representation?
The things you learn on the intertoobies!

112 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:03:55am

re: #108 sattv4u2

OT: sattv4u2 would you mind sending me an email (name is blue) I have a quick question?

113 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:05:22am

re: #111 sattv4u2

We've invaded foreing nations because they tax their citizens without representation?
The things you learn on the intertoobies!


Becasue they were dictators who oppressed their own people. That's what the gummint told me. And because he was a threat to world peace.

But heck, those Texans in the Alamo were there under the auspices of the Mescian government. Did they have any right to rebel, or were they just ingrates?

114 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:05:45am

Tell you what. Send me one (my nics in blue) I'm on my sons laptop and have no idea what e-mail addy you would be sending one back too as he has about 4 accounts

115 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:06:11am

re: #114 sattv4u2

On the way.

116 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:06:41am

re: #113 ralphieboy

Becasue they were dictators who oppressed their own people. That's what the gummint told me. And because he was a threat to world peace.

But heck, those Texans in the Alamo were there under the auspices of the Mescian government. Did they have any right to rebel, or were they just ingrates?


But thats not what you stated, nor is it what we were discussing

117 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:10:44am

re: #116 sattv4u2

But thats not what you stated, nor is it what we were discussing

I pointed out that the original Tea Party was justified as it was an act to free themselves from tyranny: namely taxation without representation.

You are correct in that they were not under a "foreign" power, but it was a colonial power. You can split that hair as finely as you would like.

And the US government put a lot of stock in reminding us that out military was in the Middle East to "restore/build democracy", which as I last read, has a lot to do with establishing representative government.

118 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:12:33am

re: #117 ralphieboy

I'M 'splitting hairs"!

Thats rich
You not only moved the goal posts, you changed the playing field AND the sport!


And on that not,, BBIAB

119 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:13:57am

re: #118 sattv4u2

OT: Email didn't go through. I'll catch up with you later or you can send me one.

120 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:15:59am

re: #119 Jetpilot1101

OT: Email didn't go through. I'll catch up with you later or you can send me one.

retry,, my bad

121 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:22:18am

re: #120 sattv4u2

Failed again. It doesn't want to recognize your email address. Says it's invalid.

122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:23:56am

re: #121 Jetpilot1101

Failed again. It doesn't want to recognize your email address. Says it's invalid.

I had no problem getting email from Sat. Maybe soften you email filter system?

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:26:15am

The Rays are 7-0 on the road. Sweet.

124 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:41:51am

Good morning all!

If you haven't done so already, please check the cookbook blog for an update, and vote in the poll there as to how we want proceeds from the sale of Volume 2 distributed.

125 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:42:59am

re: #124 reine.de.tout

Good morning all!

If you haven't done so already, please check the cookbook blog for an update, and vote in the poll there as to how we want proceeds from the sale of Volume 2 distributed.


I say we buy a strippers pole!
It will go nicely with the beer dispensers and pool table

126 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:43:03am

re: #121 Jetpilot1101

Failed again. It doesn't want to recognize your email address. Says it's invalid.

Probably has an extra comma in it.

127 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:43:24am

re: #126 reine.de.tout

Probably has an extra comma in it.

GAHH ,, mortally wounded!

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:46:39am

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

Liotta, Charles, of Sunshine, Bradbury, Davies, Krok, Lewis, Romano and Walston?

129 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:46:58am

There is a bill in front of the Florida State legislature trying to make it so banks can foreclose on homeowners without going through the court system. Fuckers.

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:48:00am

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Liotta, Charles, of Sunshine, Bradbury, Davies, Krok, Lewis, Romano and Walston?

Took me a minute, but you funny. As am I. See your FB post.:)

131 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:53:47am

Today is my friend's birthday. Happy birthday Snotty!!

132 sandbox  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:54:35am

I don't see why the media is so fixated on Sarah Palin. She's not going to be the Republican nominee for Pres.

133 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:55:13am

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

Today is my friend's birthday. Happy birthday Snotty!!

And every year as a present, he asks for a new name!

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:55:54am

re: #133 sattv4u2

And every year as a present, he asks for a new name!

And tissue!!

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:56:04am

re: #132 sandbox

No way, no how.

136 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:59:04am

re: #132 sandbox

I don't see why the media is so fixated on Sarah Palin. She's not going to be the Republican nominee for Pres.

I love how they (media) twist themselves into knots about it
On the one hand, if there is a tea party demonstration at which she (or any repub) speaks, when the tea party organizers say there were a gajillion people in attenndance, the MSM goes out of it's way to say "no, there were only a couple of dozen. There were other events there at the time. Lots of people were just waiting for a bus,,etc etc"

Then in the next breath they (MSM) lament how scary and widespread and infuential the movement is
SO ,, which is it guys!?!?

137 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:59:30am

BBL

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:00:07am

re: #132 sandbox

I don't see why the media is so fixated on Sarah Palin. She's not going to be the Republican nominee for Pres.

No, but she is setting herself up as kingmaker: someone who controls a large bloc of loyal voters and can dictate terms and conditions to ensure her support, or even block a candidate she does not like.

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:00:24am

I found my Gatorade mix. Everyone can stop looking. Thanks.

140 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:01:02am

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

It was hiding behind the vodka bottle, eh?

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:01:56am

re: #140 freetoken

It was hiding behind the vodka bottle, eh?

Absolute-ly.
/

142 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:03:39am

A Letter To Jessie James

You Stupid Bastard! You cheated on Sandra Bullock?
How in the world can you be so stupid? You are married to one of the most beautiful women in the world.
She has a body to die for and her current wealth shadowed only by Oprah.
Your wife, recently beat out Julia Roberts in the polls and is now named " America 's Sweetheart."
You also remember, she just won an Oscar and praised you up and down in front of the world while you were porking away.
You are really a piece of work! You are the most hated a--hole cheater on the planet!
How can you live with yourself!
I only have one thing to say to the despicable, miserable, cheating piece of s--t that you are:
Thanks for taking the heat off of me. Let's do lunch.

~Tiger

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:08:39am

Um, heh?
[Link: www.wmur.com...]

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:10:40am

WTF?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

145 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:13:09am

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

Um, heh?
[Link: www.wmur.com...]

Image: irony.jpg

146 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:14:16am

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

Um, heh?
[Link: www.wmur.com...]

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Who Watches The Watchman??

147 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:15:03am

re: #146 Taqyia2Me

Who Watches The Watchman??

We have a Lizard with that name. Or did.

148 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:16:28am

re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cool nic, I hope that blogger didn't flounce and is just on sabbatical or busy or something...

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:17:19am

re: #146 Taqyia2Me

Who Watches The Watchman??

There seems to be an assumption that more policemen = better police protection. But at some point, we reach the point of diminishing returns, because one bad cop can undo the work of dozens of good ones...

150 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:18:06am

re: #146 Taqyia2Me

Who Watches The Watchman??

Watches the WatchmanWatches the WatchmanWatches the WatchmanWatches the Watchman∞

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:19:25am

re: #149 ralphieboy

There seems to be an assumption that more policemen = better police protection. But at some point, we reach the point of diminishing returns, because one bad cop can undo the work of dozens of good ones...

True. I did a paper on the Rampart Division of the LAPD. I think "The Shield" TV show was based on them.

152 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:22:04am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

From that story:

Court documents say Marren told investigators he rebuffed the woman's advances.

Scum.

I had a boss once who hit on everybody, I think just to see how many women he could rack up and also just as a subtle way to push us around

Anyhow - when it was my turn, I turned him down.

So - the next day at work, he goes around telling people that I had come onto him and that he had had to fight me off.

There was no point in even bringing it up to other people, except to do damage to me and my reputation. He was one sick sick sick puppy.

Scum.

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:25:49am

re: #152 reine.de.tout

I worked with a girl who sued the company I worked with for sexual harassment. She was right to. The guy who did it was a rat bastard. But about a month into the whole thing, she added 2 more manager names, saying they also harassed her. My name was one of them. My area director interviewed all the waitresses I worked with. They all backed me on the fact that I wasn't a rat bastard.

154 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:30:04am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

I worked with a girl who sued the company I worked with for sexual harassment. She was right to. The guy who did it was a rat bastard. But about a month into the whole thing, she added 2 more manager names, saying they also harassed her. My name was one of them. My area director interviewed all the waitresses I worked with. They all backed me on the fact that I wasn't a rat bastard.

If there's one thing worse than actual sexual harassment, it's a false charge of sexual harassment. What it does to the person in terms of damage to their reputation, aggravation in having to defend against the charges, etc., is unconscionable. The policies I wrote had penalties for false charges that were just as stiff as the penalties for harassment. Well - filing a false charge IS harassment.

155 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:34:28am

re: #154 reine.de.tout

I had a mole to find out WTF was going on. After I found out I hung a sign that said: "Sexual harassment-$1. Actual touching-$5." My AD asked if I thought this suit was a joke. I said, "Yes. I'm not gonna sexually harass a girl I wouldn't have sex with." I'm kind of a bastard.

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:37:03am

re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a mole to find out WTF was going on. After I found out I hung a sign that said: "Sexual harassment-$1. Actual touching-$5." My AD asked if I thought this suit was a joke. I said, "Yes. I'm not gonna sexually harass a girl I wouldn't have sex with." I'm kind of a bastard.

And, BTW, we had her letter of resignation saying that she was harassed by the one guy. No other names on it. Until she went to a lawyer.

157 stevemcg  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:38:32am

You know what this thread needs? A good ol' offensive mass down-ding post. The problem is it's just so hard to get in front of the Sarah Palin Express train wreck. But here goes. Didn't you people read that quote out of its context? She just wants politics to take a day off. Can't you see that's what her PAC does? It's waiting for another day to contribute to political candidates.

Oh my God, I sound like Stephen Colbert!

158 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:38:48am

re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a mole to find out WTF was going on. After I found out I hung a sign that said: "Sexual harassment-$1. Actual touching-$5." My AD asked if I thought this suit was a joke. I said, "Yes. I'm not gonna sexually harass a girl I wouldn't have sex with." I'm kind of a bastard.

oooooooh.
That was bad. I'm surprised he didn't tell you to take the sign down. The woman could have sued the company, we well as filing a complaint against you.

Genuine harassers will harass anybody. It's the game that's important to them.

159 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:39:39am

re: #157 stevemcg

+1 for failing at trolling.
///
:P

160 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:40:04am

re: #157 stevemcg

You know what this thread needs? A good ol' offensive mass down-ding post. The problem is it's just so hard to get in front of the Sarah Palin Express train wreck. But here goes. Didn't you people read that quote out of its context? She just wants politics to take a day off. Can't you see that's what her PAC does? It's waiting for another day to contribute to political candidates.

Oh my God, I sound like Stephen Colbert!

Who is this "you people" you're talking about?
And no, honestly - you don't sound like Stephen Colbert.

161 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:41:17am

How did the Army deal with sexual harassment?

First they ignored it until it got so bad that it was affecting recruitment amonf females.

Then the Secretary of Defense Cohen (this was back under Clinton) announced a "zero-tolerance policy" towards sexual harassment.

I knew what was coming: a show trial - they would select someone not too low down in the ranks (can't be picking on the rank-and-file for things officers get away with) but not too high up (if officers are doing it, it wouls appear to be accepted practice) and nail his ass to the wall.

So they conviced the master Sergeant of the Army - the highest ranking enlisted man in the service - of sexual harassment.

In the resulting trial he was cleared of sexual assault charges but charged with concealing evidence, i.e., he tried to cover up something he did not do.

He was discharged from the Army, but it was an honorable discharge, he got to keep his pension and benefits.

A show trial.

162 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:42:01am

Morining everyone. Today's 4/20. Hope that makes things more mellow around here. ;)

163 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:42:57am

re: #29 ausador

So uhh, I kinda hate to bring this up even, but exactly which sect of Christianity will be in charge of the new Theocracy?

/This would make the civil war look like a schoolyard spitball fight. :(

This is the exact point I was about to make. I don't want to take a swipe at anyone's religion, but I see a new church denomination pop up every week. They can't even agree amongst themselves. The second they took over, they would be fighting about whether or not a piano is allowed in the White House or some other nonsense.
What these people fail to realize is this separation protects the church as much as the state. The minute that you have a church-run government, you also have a government-run church.

164 stevemcg  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:45:12am

"Keep govement out of my cherch." Now that's a sign worth holding up.

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:46:39am

re: #164 stevemcg

"Keep govement out of my cherch." Now that's a sign worth holding up.

You spelled a word wrong in your post. It's gubment.
/

166 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:47:56am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

You spelled a word wrong in your post. It's gubment.
/

Ohhh, lookit teh eleetist Mr. Fanceepantz! Go bak to yer ivry towir!

167 stevemcg  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:49:44am

In all seriousness, I was always amazed somebody needed a National Day of Prayer. If you're so personally responsible, get your own ass to church. Or just drop what you're doing, say 5 times a day, and say a quick rosary. It's never about the praying.

168 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:55:32am

re: #163 tnguitarist

This is the exact point I was about to make. I don't want to take a swipe at anyone's religion, but I see a new church denomination pop up every week. They can't even agree amongst themselves. The second they took over, they would be fighting about whether or not a piano is allowed in the White House or some other nonsense.
What these people fail to realize is this separation protects the church as much as the state. The minute that you have a church-run government, you also have a government-run church.

The Catholics have the size, experience, and bureaucratic skills to handle a divine-right government handily. Even the remnants of the parochial school system is there to provide a proper Dept of Education. (It will be hard to get some of the Knights of Columbus into the Apache Longbow cockpits, however, what with the swords and plumy hats.)

169 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:56:42am

re: #168 Decatur Deb

PIMF "are" for "is"

170 stevemcg  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:56:52am

I got an idea. How about EVERYBODY joins the Republican Party? That would chase the wingnuts out into a third party, (or back to the Democratic Party where they came from years ago!) That would make the Republican Party safe again for sane people, after a couple of election cycles. Instead of switching, Arlen Spector should have encouraged the people who left the Republican Party in the 2008 primary to come back and moderates to do the same to vote against Pat Toomey.

171 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:58:02am

This has got to be a fucking joke. Idiot.
[Link: www.ottawacitizen.com...]

172 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:59:25am

re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar

This has got to be a fucking joke. Idiot.
[Link: www.ottawacitizen.com...]

Three words come to mind here:

Kraft Durch Freude

173 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:59:39am

re: #162 Mad Al-Jaffee

Morining everyone. Today's 4/20. Hope that makes things more mellow around here. ;)

Hitler's birthday?

/wants to watch the Producers

174 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:00:07am

re: #173 laZardo

Hitler's birthday?

/wants to watch the Producers

Among other notable things.

175 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:01:10am

re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar

This has got to be a fucking joke. Idiot.
[Link: www.ottawacitizen.com...]


I understand that the EU is serious in that they demand that working people have a right to a minium amount of vacation time, as in time off work.

But the rest is sheer nonsense.

176 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:01:27am

re: #174 Varek Raith

Among other notable things.

Well then, let's celebrate with a montage of Downfall bunker dubs!

/was it Mel Brooks that said something like the best way to destroy Hitler's legacy was through humor?

177 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:02:30am

re: #175 ralphieboy

I understand that the EU is serious in that they demand that working people have a right to a minium amount of vacation time, as in time off work.

But the rest is sheer nonsense.

Holiday in Europe is about a month off. That's nice...

178 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:03:14am

re: #176 laZardo

Hitler finds out that a volcano in Iceland has ruined his vacation plans.

179 stevemcg  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:03:42am

re: #173 laZardo

My mother-in-law says the german family who lived next door to her when she was a kid would always fill their bathtub on Hitler's Birthday because they were convinced that their German brothers were going to bomb the mainland for the celebration. So I guess they were stocking up on fresh water.

180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:04:01am

re: #175 ralphieboy

I understand that the EU is serious in that they demand that working people have a right to a minium amount of vacation time, as in time off work.

But the rest is sheer nonsense.

I agree with getting time off. To bad the plan discriminates. Or the fact the guy is an idiot.

181 caution  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:04:16am

@ Comment 9 - Cato
"Sarah Palin is coming to Baltimore in early May, for a "motivational seminar" at the 1st Mariner Bank Arena (where they otherwise serve up crappy shows like indoor motocross)."

In case it hasn't been posted yet, "Danger Will Robinson. Danger."

I got suckered into going to that "event" a few years ago with my office. Forbes (at the time) was the only draw for me, but now I dislike him for saying (repeatedly) "The fundamentals of the economy are solid." That was about two years ago, and we know what was going on behind the scenes in 07/08.

Anyway, that event is cover for two things #1 they try to get everyone in there to buy a trading software package that supposedly gets you in and out of deals on the swings #2 fundamental christianity

It's very cult-like and the shysters behind it (a sickening couple) get the crowd in a "Yes. Yes. YES!" frenzy then close the sale on this trading software.

Needless to say, I left early and stood outside, in DC, in the cold rather than listen.

182 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:04:37am

Mornin' all! Shuttle about to land at KSC. IIRC, 6 weeks is the vacation length in the EU and a 35 hour work week plus overtime is strictly verboten!

183 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:04:53am

re: #176 laZardo

Well then, let's celebrate with a montage of Downfall bunker dubs!

/was it Mel Brooks that said something like the best way to destroy Hitler's legacy was through humor?

Don't forget merciless mocking!
:D

184 stevemcg  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:07:01am

re: #181 caution

Okay, so they event was held in July of 08, but you stood outside in the cold, is that your story? Where was it, Tierra del Fuego?

185 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:08:07am

re: #182 pingjockey

Mornin' all! Shuttle about to land at KSC. IIRC, 6 weeks is the vacation length in the EU and a 35 hour work week plus overtime is strictly verboten!

Might have just heard the sonic booms in Lower Alabama (2 thumps).

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:08:29am

From the "Mind Your Own Fucking Business" file. Weird, I know how to read a label.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

187 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:09:09am

re: #177 ShaunP

Holiday in Europe is about a month off. That's nice...


I believe the EU mandate4s a minimum of twenty days.

But I must point out that life in Europe is different than life in the USA where all you need is a long weekend to go chill out in your backyard pool or take the RV out of town to the lake for a bit of fishin'. Most folks do not have those close-at-hand options.

It is a bit too crowded for that. if you want to get away, you need to take some time to travel somewhere to do so.

And I find it just grand that families actually have some time to spend with each other rather than just running the treadmill all year long.

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:09:22am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Might have just heard the sonic booms in Lower Alabama (2 thumps).

Yes. Came in over Tennessee and the rest of the SE.

189 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:11:26am

Touchdown.

190 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:11:35am

re: #183 Varek Raith

Don't forget merciless mocking!
:D

Whistle while you work
Hitler was a jerk
Mussilini bit his weenie
Now it doesn't work

191 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:12:49am

re: #190 Mad Al-Jaffee

Whistle while you work
Hitler was a jerk
Mussilini bit his weenie
Now it doesn't work


Hitler only has one ball
Goebbels has two but very small
Himmler is somewhat similar
And Göring has no balls at all!

192 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:14:38am

re: #190 Mad Al-Jaffee

re: #191 ralphieboy

And that's what's up, doc!

Youtube Video
193 stevemcg  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:15:08am

re: #187 ralphieboy

BS. It 'snot that crowded. I'm sure there are reasons for their vacation habits, but if Europe were too crowded, imagine what that overcrowding would do to the resorts. Then imagine what overcrowding the resorts four times a year would do to them. I'm sure there's a reason Europeans need extra vacatoin time (pussies), but overcrowding isn't one of them (pussies).

194 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:17:02am

Good morning ya'll and happy 4/20!

[Link: www.worldcorrespondents.com...]

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

195 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:17:09am

Note that the Vacation Czar was a politician speaking to a tourism industry group. If he had been talking to an herpetologist convention, he would have said everyone has a right to a snake.

196 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:17:53am

re: #194 Locker

If Hitler celebrated 4/20 the way kids do today, maybe things would have turned out different.

197 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:19:11am

Heard the sonic booms at work as the shuttle landed. Mr Fisted at home said the house rattled, and he could hear the engines, and it was if it were landing on the house.

All is well. All is safe. Welcome home Astronauts!

198 SteveMcG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:19:59am

re: #197 Crimsonfisted

"Engines"? Probably the chase planes.

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:20:10am

re: #197 Crimsonfisted

Heard the sonic booms at work as the shuttle landed. Mr Fisted at home said the house rattled, and he could hear the engines, and it was if it were landing on the house.

All is well. All is safe. Welcome home Astronauts!

The sonic boom is cool.:)

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:20:36am

re: #198 SteveMcG

"Engines"? Probably the chase planes.

True. It is a glider.

201 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:21:16am

re: #198 SteveMcG

"Engines"? Probably the chase planes.

It was how it sounded to him. Wish I was home! I must have been looking in the wrong direction, other people tweeted that they could see it from where I am.

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:21:27am

re: #196 Mad Al-Jaffee

If Hitler celebrated 4/20 the way kids do today, maybe things would have turned out different.

Harris and Klebold picked 4/20 for a reason, me think.

203 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:24:23am

re: #199 Cannadian Club Akbar

The sonic boom is cool.:)

VERY cool. And it is two booms. I about jumped out of my shoes and I was waiting for it!

204 SteveMcG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:24:59am

re: #201 Crimsonfisted

It was how it sounded to him. Wish I was home! I must have been looking in the wrong direction, other people tweeted that they could see it from where I am.

The Navy used to operate an airbase in Warminster, PA and IIRC the PA Air National Guard used to operate near it, too. I loved watching all the ariplanes. I wold ride my bike to the North Philadelphia Airport and watch the airplanes take off and land.

205 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:25:58am

re: #203 Crimsonfisted

VERY cool. And it is two booms. I about jumped out of my shoes and I was waiting for it!

I was at my dad's house years ago and the house shook. We were both like, WTF. I called him later and he said, "Was the Shuttle." I said, "Yep."

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:27:17am

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

Harris and Klebold picked 4/20 for a reason, me think.

Wiki says I'm wrong. Wonder what they have been smoking.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

207 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:27:29am

Yea there are only 365 different dates to chose from so I'm sure 4/20 is also National Lemur Awareness Day and Nonstandard Pizza Topping Day but I'm going to continue to celebrate the best way I know how.

208 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:28:19am

re: #207 Locker

Yea there are only 365 different dates to chose from so I'm sure 4/20 is also National Lemur Awareness Day and Nonstandard Pizza Topping Day but I'm going to continue to celebrate the best way I know how.

NO PINEAPPLE ON PIZZA!!!

209 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:28:53am

And the Virgina Tech shootings...

210 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:29:21am

re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar
Heretic! If you are having Canadian Bacon on your pie you MUST have pineapple!

211 SteveMcG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:29:52am

re: #207 Locker

Yea there are only 365 different dates to chose from so I'm sure 4/20 is also National Lemur Awareness Day and Nonstandard Pizza Topping Day but I'm going to continue to celebrate the best way I know how.

It's only 10 days until we celebrate his suicide!

212 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:29:59am

re: #209 ralphieboy

And the Virgina Tech shootings...

Was April 16.

213 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:30:12am

Morning. This kind of talk, although we hear it from others too, reminds me of the good old days at LGF back around 2006.

214 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:30:26am

re: #210 pingjockey

Heretic! If you are having Canadian Bacon on your pie you MUST have pineapple!

Canadian Bacon only has two uses:

1. Movie Title
2. Egg McMuffin

215 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:30:38am

re: #210 pingjockey

Heretic! If you are having Canadian Bacon on your pie you MUST have pineapple!

peperoni, sausage, jalapenos.

217 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:31:35am

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar
Had a taco pizza the other night from Abbys. I was pleasantly surprised.

218 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:32:09am

re: #216 MandyManners
The Norks have an economy?

219 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:32:15am

The other day I saw that the origins of "420" are lost or obscure here. Not so for us Californians. State Senate Bill #420 is the bill that changed the way California does medical marij.

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:32:19am

re: #217 pingjockey

Had a taco pizza the other night from Abbys. I was pleasantly surprised.

I like taco pizza. Especially with corn chips on it.

221 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:32:36am

The Thai army has made explicit its determination to use live ammunition against "red-shirt" anti-government protesters in certain circumstances.

An army spokesman told a regular news briefing that troops were ready to use their weapons "decisively".

The red-shirts later called off plans to march on the city's Silom business district, saying they wanted to avoid confrontation with the army.

Troops moved into Silom on Monday, in an increasingly militarised standoff.

The BBC's Rachel Harvey says the army believes that some more militant members of the protest movement were preparing weapons such as sharpened bamboo sticks, acid and grenades.

"We can no longer use the soft to hard steps," spokesman Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd told reporters.

"We have to keep a distance between troops and demonstrators. If they try to break the line, we will start using tear gas, and if they do break the line, we need to use weapons to deal with them decisively."

SNIP

222 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:32:56am

re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar

NO PINEAPPLE ON PIZZA!!!

TOPPING NAZI!

223 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:33:33am

re: #216 MandyManners

Note to the President-Practice makes perfect. Letting NK get good at this is a horrible policy.

224 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:33:41am

If there were more Palestinians like Khaled Abu Toameh, we might have had a true Mideast peace a long time ago.

This is not a conflict over which side will bring democracy and good government to the Palestinians so much as it is a power struggle over money and power.

The fight between Hamas and Fatah is not a power struggle between good guys and bad guys: it is a rivalry between bad guys and bad guys.

...

A state is not something that Palestinians should expect Binyamin Netanyahu or Ehud Olmert or Shimon Peres to give them on a silver platter. A state is something that the people earn by standing united and establishing good government and proper institutions and infrastructure, as well as democracy and a strong economy.

The only way to make progress towards peace is by insisting that the Palestinians first get their act together.


RTWT

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:33:51am

re: #213 Naso Tang

Morning. This kind of talk, although we hear it from others too, reminds me of the good old days at LGF back around 2006.

?

226 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:33:51am

Those of you who haven't done so yet, please check the cookbook blog for a Volume 2 update and to vote in a poll to decide how proceeds will be disbursed.

227 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:34:16am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hmmm....Have to give that a try. My one thing that I never have o pizza is fish! However, I was doing a restuarant fire suppression system the other day and they had a pizza with smoked salmon. So I may have to change my thoughtnon that.

228 SteveMcG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:34:28am

re: #222 laZardo

TOPPING NAZI!

You gotta draw the line somewhere or you'll make a mockery out of pizza.

229 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:34:28am

re: #219 Rightwingconspirator

The other day I saw that the origins of "420" are lost or obscure here. Not so for us Californians. State Senate Bill #420 is the bill that changed the way California does medical marij.

Origins are clear and it's in the snopes link above. Thank you high school stoners! Good bill though, that's for sure.

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:35:42am

re: #229 Locker

Origins are clear and it's in the snopes link above. Thank you high school stoners! Good bill though, that's for sure.

I used to smoke before skool. Especially on days when we made food in cooking classes. Heh.

231 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:36:03am

re: #229 Locker
All I know is, while I was going through chemo, had a connection get me some pot. It helped immensley.

232 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:36:16am

Night time shuttle launches are an extraordinary sight, and a privilege to witness, IMHO. One evening, a neighbor alerted us that the shuttle, the space station, and another rocket were going to be visible flying across the sky more or less together. We watched them in fascination sail so enchantingly and seemingly effortlessly among the stars. It was wonderful.
All we have to do is look up!

233 iceweasel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:36:48am

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but here's something of interest, especially to those who believe we 'don't need' for hospitals to recognise the rights of gay partners:

NCLR Launches Visibility Campaign to Expose Tragic Case Where Sonoma County Separated Elderly Gay Couple, Sold Off All Belongings
Long-term partners had taken necessary steps to protect relationship in time of crisis

(San Francisco, CA, April 19, 2010) — Today, NCLR launched a national media campaign to bring visibility to a tragic new case where Sonoma County, California officials separated an elderly gay couple and sold their worldly possessions despite the measures the men had taken to protect their relationship.

“In the 33 years of our organization's history, this case is perhaps among the most tragic NCLR has ever been involved in,” said NCLR Executive Director Kate Kendell. “Clay and Harold had taken all of the necessary precautions, including living wills and powers of attorneys, to protect them in a time of crisis. Not only were their relationship and legal documents ignored, Clay and Harold literally lost everything. These appalling events demonstrate how urgently same-sex couples need full equality rather than a patchwork of rights that can be dismissed and ignored in a culture that still treats LGBT people as second-class citizens. This never should have happened to Clay and Harold.”

Clay Greene and his partner of 20 years, Harold Scull, lived in Sebastopol, California. As long-time partners, they had named each other beneficiaries of their respective estates and agents for medical decisions. As 2008 began, Scull was 88 years old and in deteriorating health. Greene, 11 years younger, was physically strong, but beginning to show signs of cognitive impairment. As Scull’s health declined, it became apparent that they would need assistance, but the men resisted outside help.

In April of 2008, Scull fell down the front steps of their home. Greene immediately called an ambulance and Scull was taken to the hospital. There, the men’s nightmare began. While Scull was hospitalized, Deputy Public Guardians went to the men’s home, took photographs, and commented on the desirability and quality of the furnishings, artwork, and collectibles that the men had collected over their lifetimes.

Ignoring Greene entirely, the County petitioned the Court for conservatorship of Scull’s estate. Outrageously referring to Greene only as a “roommate” and failing to disclose their true relationship, the County continued to treat Scull as if he had no family. The County sought immediate temporary authority to revoke Scull’s powers of attorney, to act without further notice, and to liquidate an investment account to pay for Scull’s care. Then, despite being granted only limited powers, and with undue haste, the County arranged for the sale of the men’s personal property, cleaned out their home, terminated their lease, confiscated their truck, and eventually disposed of all of the men’s worldly possessions, including family heirlooms, at a fraction of their value and without any proper inventory or determination of whose property was being sold.

Adding further insult to grave injury, the county removed Greene from their home and confined him to a nursing home against his will—a different placement from his partner. Greene was kept from seeing Scull during this time, and his telephone calls were limited. Three months after Scull was hospitalized, he died, without being able to see Greene again.

234 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:36:50am

The city don't know that the city is getting.

Youtube Video
235 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:36:54am

re: #228 SteveMcG

You gotta draw the line somewhere or you'll make a mockery out of pizza.

And then Pizza is going to send out for YOU!

236 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:38:31am

re: #223 Rightwingconspirator

Note to the President-Practice makes perfect. Letting NK get good at this is a horrible policy.

They ate their unicorn.

237 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:38:50am

Israel's population hits 7.5 million

On the eve of its 62nd Independence Day, Israel has nearly 7.59 million people and is growing at a rate of 1.8 percent per year, according to figures released Sunday by the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS)...

Suck on that, Hitler!

238 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:39:33am

re: #234 MandyManners

The city don't know that the city is getting.


[Video]

There's Iceland, or here, or Hastings...

Oh wait, here's just fine. :D

239 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:40:01am

re: #226 reine.de.tout

Those of you who haven't done so yet, please check the cookbook blog for a Volume 2 update and to vote in a poll to decide how proceeds will be disbursed.

reine if you want me to vote you'll need to add a third option:

3. LGF party in Vegas.

240 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:40:28am

re: #233 iceweasel
I thought the California gov't was progressive in these matters? What a bunch of shit. It appears they'd done all the legal work and the County gov't still managed to bulldoze their way into confiscation. Where the hell was the ACLU, etc...

241 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:43:14am

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

True. It is a glider.

Flying brick.
;)

242 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:43:19am

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

?

Never mind. We all see things differently sometimes.

243 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:43:45am

re: #240 pingjockey

I thought the California gov't was progressive in these matters? What a bunch of shit. It appears they'd done all the legal work and the County gov't still managed to bulldoze their way into confiscation. Where the hell was the ACLU, etc...

And speaking of California...

Interesting donation target they have there.

244 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:44:18am

Gotta' git. The landscapers are here!

Have a great day, Lizards!

245 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:44:56am

BTW, if it flowers, it's not a weed. It's an un-scheduled thing of beauty!

246 SteveMcG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:45:08am

I was curious if anybody wqas hip to this story: In Lower Merion, PA the school district was sued by a family over an invasion of privacy incident. the school had warned a student against using drugs when they used a school issued laptop and observed him eating Mike and Ikes. Other families in the district were enraged. At the family. Now, it turns out that the school district has taken 56,000 pictures and the IT director is pleading the fifth. In the cooments sections on Philly.com, commenters are still blaming the whole thing on the student!

247 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:45:12am

re: #245 MandyManners

BTW, if it flowers, it's not a weed. It's an un-scheduled thing of beauty!

And it must be smoked, as God intended!

248 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:45:13am

re: #243 laZardo
They are broke. Anything for revenue enhancement!

249 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:12am

re: #240 pingjockey

That is next. Looks like the blame rests with the county authorities.
See the idea the state can sweep aside power of attorney and remove a person against their will is exactly the kind of authoritarian act that begets real anger, and potential violence. Like when a similar couple gets in a similar spot and reacts as best they can, or think they can, in desperation.

This is the kind of thing that motivates others to help. Other groups that fear the government will take their rights.

250 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:28am

re: #237 Mad Al-Jaffee

Israel's population hits 7.5 million

Suck on that, Hitler!

On morning on a warm and sunny day in hell...

Jack Herer: Hey Hitler. Why so blue on such a fine morning?
Hitler: Oh, hey Jack. It's my birthday today and I wish I could celebrate it back on earth.
Jack Herer: You know how they celebrate your birthday now in 2010?
Hitler: I'd imagine they have readings of my poetry and discuss my fine military genius.
Jack Herer: Umm... not really. Million of Jews and Liberals smoke a lot of weed and talk about what a dick you were.

251 iceweasel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:29am

re: #240 pingjockey

I thought the California gov't was progressive in these matters? What a bunch of shit. It appears they'd done all the legal work and the County gov't still managed to bulldoze their way into confiscation. Where the hell was the ACLU, etc...

First time I've heard of this case. My guess is that apart from issues surrounding gay rights (or rather, the failure to recognise that gay partners have them) the county's decisions are part of a general culture of mistreatment of (or ignoring the wishes of) the elderly.

One of the guys had worked for MGM for years and they had loads of old movie paraphernalia; sounds to me like someone decided these guys were hoarders and 'needed help'.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:31am

re: #246 SteveMcG

Link it!!
[Link: www.philly.com...]

253 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:42am

re: #223 Rightwingconspirator

Note to the President-Practice makes perfect. Letting NK get good at this is a horrible policy.

What would you propose?

254 SteveMcG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:47:37am

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oops.

255 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:48:30am

re: #251 iceweasel
This is the kind of help that really gives the rabid anti-gov't types tons of ammo. That whole episode is wrong on so many levels.

256 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:48:30am

re: #253 Varek Raith

What would you propose?

Well, we're still technically at war with them.

/

//but seriously, we actually still are.

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:49:17am

re: #256 laZardo

Well, we're still technically at war with them.

/

//but seriously, we actually still are.

I don't think war was ever declared. I might be wrong.

258 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:49:30am

re: #246 SteveMcG

I was curious if anybody wqas hip to this story: In Lower Merion, PA the school district was sued by a family over an invasion of privacy incident. the school had warned a student against using drugs when they used a school issued laptop and observed him eating Mike and Ikes. Other families in the district were enraged. At the family. Now, it turns out that the school district has taken 56,000 pictures and the IT director is pleading the fifth. In the cooments sections on Philly.com, commenters are still blaming the whole thing on the student!

Yea there is a huge deal about these school administrators using the laptops to spy on students. Have pictures of them sleeping, etc.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

259 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:49:48am

Just when I thought I couldn't lose any more respect for Palin, she pulls out a whopper like that and, surprise! Lower the gauge on the meter, because it's dropped below scale.

Good morning, folks.

260 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:50:42am

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar
There never was a peace treaty, just a truce. As far as war being declared, I don't think so. IIRC, the last time congress formally declared war was after Pearl Harbor.

261 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:51:57am

re: #259 MrSilverDragon

Just when I thought I couldn't lose any more respect for Palin, she pulls out a whopper like that and, surprise! Lower the gauge on the meter, because it's dropped below scale.

Good morning, folks.

Sup MSD. Lately when I see your handle it magically changes into MaxwellsSilverHammer. I need to pull out Abby Road sometime soon, me thinks.

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:51:59am

re: #260 pingjockey

There never was a peace treaty, just a truce. As far as war being declared, I don't think so. IIRC, the last time congress formally declared war was after Pearl Harbor.

I think you are correct.

263 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:52:10am

I think Ms. Palin needs to invest some time in reading the Federalist Papers and maybe some of Tom Jeffersons writings on the subject of Church and State.

264 iceweasel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:52:12am

re: #246 SteveMcG

I was curious if anybody wqas hip to this story: In Lower Merion, PA the school district was sued by a family over an invasion of privacy incident. the school had warned a student against using drugs when they used a school issued laptop and observed him eating Mike and Ikes. Other families in the district were enraged. At the family. Now, it turns out that the school district has taken 56,000 pictures and the IT director is pleading the fifth. In the cooments sections on Philly.com, commenters are still blaming the whole thing on the student!

I've been following that. I believe Rogue One has as well. Check this out:
[Link: www.philly.com...]

The system that Lower Merion school officials used to track lost and stolen laptops wound up secretly capturing thousands of images, including photographs of students in their homes, Web sites they visited, and excerpts of their online chats, says a new motion filed in a suit against the district.

More than once, the motion asserts, a laptop camera took photos of Harriton High School sophomore Blake Robbins as he slept in his bed.

The motion, filed in federal court late Thursday by his lawyers, says that each time the camera took Robbins' picture, it fired the image off to network servers at the School District.

Back at district offices, the Robbins motion says, employees with access to the images marveled at the tracking software. It was like a window into "a little LMSD soap opera," a staffer is quoted as saying in an e-mail to Carol Cafiero, the administrator running the program.

"I know, I love it," she is quoted as having replied.

Question: if the student who filed suit were female, and this were a male administrator running this program --supervising the capturing of images of these kids in their homes, sometimes undressing, sleeping, the websites they visit, their chats, -- wouldn't this story be getting a helluva lot more attention? Especially the comment by the administrator?

Signs point to "yes".

265 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:53:20am

re: #264 iceweasel
FNC/MSNBC one of them had a spot about this the other day.

266 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:53:34am

re: #251 iceweasel

This could have happened to an unmarried elderly straight couple. But, hey the extra outrage should facilitate some county firings and real change. Somebody should name names on the decision makers at the county.

267 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:53:39am

re: #246 SteveMcG

Doesn't surprise me. This is from the current issue of reason:

In Birmingham, Alabama, one elementary school girl has been suspended for giving pills to some of her school mates and three other girls have been suspended for taking them. The pills were Altoids breath mints.

268 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:53:51am

re: #264 iceweasel

Question: if the student who filed suit were female, and this were a male administrator running this program --supervising the capturing of images of these kids in their homes, sometimes undressing, sleeping, the websites they visit, their chats, -- wouldn't this story be getting a helluva lot more attention? Especially the comment by the administrator?

Signs point to "yes".

This story should blare on the front page of, well, everything that has a front page. So many glaringly wrong points to deal with here.

269 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:54:41am

Barbara Boxer wishes her supporters were more like the Tea Partiers

270 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:55:04am

re: #261 Locker

Sup MSD. Lately when I see your handle it magically changes into MaxwellsSilverHammer. I need to pull out Abby Road sometime soon, me thinks.

Definitely my favorite of the Beatles' Albums. Fun to play in Rock Band, as well, especially since you can play through the second side medley.

271 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:56:14am

re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar

This has got to be a fucking joke. Idiot.
[Link: www.ottawacitizen.com...]

Note that those vacations apparently need to be kept within the EU. I imagine the thinking is that no euros are squandered if in a closed loop. It's the first time I've heard of a government official declaring vacations to be a human right, however.

272 SteveMcG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:56:16am

re: #268 Oh no...Sand People!

One of the surprising twists is that the residents are opposed to the lawsuit because it will cause their taxes to go up.

273 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:56:46am

re: #267 Mad Al-Jaffee

Doesn't surprise me. This is from the current issue of reason:

In Birmingham, Alabama, one elementary school girl has been suspended for giving pills to some of her school mates and three other girls have been suspended for taking them. The pills were Altoids breath mints.

At my niece and nephew's High School in Alabama they JUST put a stop to daily prayer reading over the intercom over many complaints. It was the last school in the area which was still doing it.

[Link: www.annistonstar.com...]

274 iceweasel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:56:59am

re: #266 Rightwingconspirator

This could have happened to an unmarried elderly straight couple.

Rubbish.

Ignoring Greene entirely, the County petitioned the Court for conservatorship of Scull’s estate. Outrageously referring to Greene only as a “roommate” and failing to disclose their true relationship, the County continued to treat Scull as if he had no family. The County sought immediate temporary authority to revoke Scull’s powers of attorney, to act without further notice, and to liquidate an investment account to pay for Scull’s care.

That wouldn't have happened to an elderly straight couple. If these guys weren't gay they most likely would have been married. In any case, if they were straight I don't believe they would have been separated as they were or been denied contact.

I mentioned that their treatment most likely did have something to do with their age, imo. Let's not go crazy here and think it was all and only due to their age, though, and that being gay had nothing to do with it.

275 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:57:59am

re: #267 Mad Al-Jaffee

Doesn't surprise me. This is from the current issue of reason:

In Birmingham, Alabama, one elementary school girl has been suspended for giving pills to some of her school mates and three other girls have been suspended for taking them. The pills were Altoids breath mints.

Legalize breath mints!

276 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:58:45am

re: #267 Mad Al-Jaffee

Doesn't surprise me. This is from the current issue of reason:

In Birmingham, Alabama, one elementary school girl has been suspended for giving pills to some of her school mates and three other girls have been suspended for taking them. The pills were Altoids breath mints.

And rightfully so. Altoids will wear the enamel right off your teeth...

277 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:59:14am

re: #267 Mad Al-Jaffee

Doesn't surprise me. This is from the current issue of reason:

In Birmingham, Alabama, one elementary school girl has been suspended for giving pills to some of her school mates and three other girls have been suspended for taking them. The pills were Altoids breath mints.

well...they are curiously strong.../

(good morning)

278 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:59:49am

re: #264 iceweasel

Question: if the student who filed suit were female, and this were a male administrator running this program --supervising the capturing of images of these kids in their homes, sometimes undressing, sleeping, the websites they visit, their chats, -- wouldn't this story be getting a helluva lot more attention? Especially the comment by the administrator?

Signs point to "yes".

That kinda gender double-standard, I saw recently brought up in a National Post article on a proposed "Male Studies" program.

In the latest recession, 82% of pink slips handed out in the United States went to men, and a good chunk of those jobs won't be coming back. Boys and young men commit suicide at a rate of more than four times that of girls and young women. Boys are far more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD and put on Ritalin. In the United States, women outlive men by an average of seven years. In Eastern Europe the gap is 15 years. At universities in the United States and Canada, women make up about 60% of the student population, men only 40%, a dramatic reversal from the early days of feminism.

Amid this growing divide between the sexes, 90% of the academic resources for gender studies are devoted to women, said Dr. Edward Stephens, chairman of the newly launched Foundation for Male Studies, which aims to raise US$2-million or more to endow a chair for the discipline at a major university.

...

One of the first things teenagers get when they leave home to go to college is a rape seminar, said Lionel Tiger, a Montreal native who is the Charles Darwin Professor of Anthropology at Rutgers University in New Jersey and author of The Decline of Males and Men in Groups. "Male students are informed right at the outset that they are predatory and dangerous organisms, and women are informed that they are potential victims."

He described feminism as "a well-meaning, highly successful, very colorful denigration of maleness as a force, as a phenomenon."

On the one hand, I think they point out some real issues with a certain brand of Feminism.

On the other hand, I think it's kinda superfluous and has potential for abuse.

I'm not a big fan of gender studies in general.

279 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:59:54am

re: #275 laZardo

Legalize Require breath mints!

280 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:00:20am

re: #276 cliffster

And rightfully so. Altoids will wear the enamel right off your teeth...

And the tins they come in can be made into a pipe!

281 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:00:51am

re: #277 Aceofwhat?

well...they are curiously strong.../

(good morning)

PFFTTT. Warheads were awesome.
;)

282 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:01:11am

re: #278 Joo-LiZ

Bill Burr on Women's Rights...

Youtube Video
283 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:01:49am

re: #280 Mad Al-Jaffee
What? I know how to make a pipe out of a pen! But an altoids box, cool.

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:02:45am

re: #283 pingjockey

What? I know how to make a pipe out of a pen! But an altoids box, cool.

A guy I worked with years ago would make a pipe out of a carrot. No shit.

285 iceweasel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:03:17am

re: #278 Joo-LiZ

I have issues with anyone who describes feminism as "a well-meaning, highly successful, very colorful denigration of maleness as a force, as a phenomenon." Bollocks!

However, on that note I must leave you all for a bit, in order to make Jimmah-ski coffee and wake him up. ;) Help, help, I'm being oppressed!--and I like it!

Happy 4-20, folks. BBIAB.

286 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:03:48am

re: #283 pingjockey

What? I know how to make a pipe out of a pen! But an altoids box, cool.

I've never actually tried it (and haven't smoked anything except cigars in years), but I'm sure it can be done. Anything can be turned into a pipe!

287 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:04:35am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar
That is a good trick. I used to have a really noce pipe made from chemistry lab glass. That was in 1976!

288 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:04:56am

Later folks, off to work!

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:06:07am

re: #286 Mad Al-Jaffee

I've never actually tried it (and haven't smoked anything except cigars in years), but I'm sure it can be done. Anything can be turned into a pipe!

I took the glass top from an oil lamp, stuck it inside a coolee cup, bamboo stem, foil bowl, duct taped it together, added ice. Worked like a champ.

290 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:06:08am

re: #282 Locker

Bill Burr on Women's Rights...


[Video]


re: #285 iceweasel

I want to be clear. I don't mean to denigrate feminism.

I'm all for equality. I just don't like the type of feminism that goes a step further and paints women as perpetually oppressed and men as the perpetual oppressors.

If things are unbalanced -- balance them. Don't tip the scales in the opposite direction.

And as I said in my post above -- I do see a lot of potential for abuse in the whole idea for "Male Studies".

291 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:06:41am

re: #286 Mad Al-Jaffee

I've never actually tried it (and haven't smoked anything except cigars in years), but I'm sure it can be done. Anything can be turned into a pipe!

I made a few apple pipes in my younger days. It was always nice to be able to eat the "evidence" once you were done.

292 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:07:11am

re: #282 Locker

Bill Burr on Women's Rights...


[Video]

hilarious. "there are no feminists in a house fire". lmao...

293 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:07:32am

re: #283 pingjockey

What? I know how to make a pipe out of a pen! But an altoids box, cool.

I prefer the apple pipe. Easy to dispose of don't cha know. ;)

294 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:08:08am

re: #291 MrSilverDragon

There's an app for that now?

295 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:08:17am

re: #292 Aceofwhat?

hilarious. "there are no feminists in a house fire". lmao...

Laugh I like the whole "Wanna know why I make a dollar more an hour, cause when the ship is sinking they let the women and children go on the life boats. THAT'S why I make a dollar more an hour."

296 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:08:46am

Earth Day is in two days. Shouldn't it really be on 4/20?

297 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:08:54am

re: #290 Joo-LiZ

re: #285 iceweasel

I want to be clear. I don't mean to denigrate feminism.

I'm all for equality. I just don't like the type of feminism that goes a step further and paints women as perpetually oppressed and men as the perpetual oppressors.

If things are unbalanced -- balance them. Don't tip the scales in the opposite direction.

And as I said in my post above -- I do see a lot of potential for abuse in the whole idea for "Male Studies".

I think gender studies are silly, too, but i mostly allow the larger market to surprise those who obtain a BA in women's studies and then attempt to get a 'real' job...

And i don't like the idea of Male Studies either. What's to study...? We're not that interesting!

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:09:27am

re: #296 Mad Al-Jaffee

Earth Day is in two days. Shouldn't it really be on 4/20?

Why do you hate 4/22?
/

299 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:09:27am

re: #294 laZardo

There's an app for that now?

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.

300 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:10:01am

re: #274 iceweasel

This does not diminish the elder right issue, it allies with it. I'll bet Sonoma does this to dying singles too. "Will? What will?"

Darn gotta roll to work. Got more to say. Sorry Ice!

301 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:10:03am

Iranian cleric 'blames quakes on promiscuous women'

302 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:10:10am

re: #272 SteveMcG

One of the surprising twists is that the residents are opposed to the lawsuit because it will cause their taxes to go up.

Dang, that is a tough one. You'd think an attorney would be chomping at the bit to take a case of this size on pro bono. But I guess it's the cost of the 'public school' systems defense we are talking about.

303 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:10:34am

American Civil Rights activist, Dorothy Height, has passed:[Link: www.cnn.com...]

She fought against American domestic terrorism, the lynching of African American men.
She was 98 when she died.

304 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:10:55am

re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why do you hate 4/22?
/

I love the tv ads for the Avatar dvd, coming out on Earth Day and "The greatest movie ever made." Yeah, no ego there, Cameron.

305 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:11:13am

re: #303 prairiefire

American Civil Rights activist, Dorothy Height, has passed:[Link: www.cnn.com...]

She fought against American domestic terrorism, the lynching of African American men.
She was 98 when she died.

Proof that the good don't have to die young.

306 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:11:58am

re: #301 Naso Tang

Iranian cleric 'blames quakes on promiscuous women'

The thing that doesn't surprise me is that it was said. The thing that surprises me is that someone out there takes him seriously and believes it hook, line, and sinker.

307 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:12:19am

re: #219 Rightwingconspirator

The other day I saw that the origins of "420" are lost or obscure here. Not so for us Californians. State Senate Bill #420 is the bill that changed the way California does medical marij.

I think that's a coincidence. 420 has been around as a slang term for getting high since 1971. San Rafael High School students apparently met at 420 to search for a supposed field of abandoned pot in the area. Turned out to be a good time to get high. Of course, it's possible they're full of shit.

That said, Happy 4/20 everyone.

308 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:12:27am

re: #304 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love the tv ads for the Avatar dvd, coming out on Earth Day and "The greatest movie ever made." Yeah, no ego there, Cameron.

More like the best-looking terrible movie ever...

309 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:13:05am

re: #304 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love the tv ads for the Avatar dvd, coming out on Earth Day and "The greatest movie ever made." Yeah, no ego there, Cameron.

Everyone knows the greatest movie ever made was Backdoor Sluts 9.

310 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:13:36am

re: #304 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love the tv ads for the Avatar dvd, coming out on Earth Day and "The greatest movie ever made." Yeah, no ego there, Cameron.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, but to say the "GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE" is a stretch. (yeah yeah, but the money says...) Well, if we judge by MONEY, then McDonald's has the BEST BURGERS EVER MADE! I will slap you if you say, 'But they ARE!"

311 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:14:34am

re: #310 Oh no...Sand People!

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, but to say the "GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE" is a stretch. (yeah yeah, but the money says...) Well, if we judge by MONEY, then McDonald's has the BEST BURGERS EVER MADE! I will slap you if you say, 'But they ARE!"

But they.... *OW!*

312 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:14:45am

re: #310 Oh no...Sand People!

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, but to say the "GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE" is a stretch. (yeah yeah, but the money says...) Well, if we judge by MONEY, then McDonald's has the BEST BURGERS EVER MADE! I will slap you if you say, 'But they ARE!"

I have to admit this...I had a McRib the other day. Admitting it is the first step, right?

313 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:14:46am

re: #307 darthstar

I think that's a coincidence. 420 has been around as a slang term for getting high since 1971. San Rafael High School students apparently met at 420 to search for a supposed field of abandoned pot in the area. Turned out to be a good time to get high. Of course, it's possible they're full of shit.

That said, Happy 4/20 everyone.

Snopes agrees with you and good morning holmes on homes.

314 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:14:57am

re: #311 Joo-LiZ

But they... *OW!*

I warned you.
/

315 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:15:00am

re: #304 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love the tv ads for the Avatar dvd, coming out on Earth Day and "The greatest movie ever made." Yeah, no ego there, Cameron.

Best eye candy ever made for IMAX 3D. Watching it at home on DVD all you will see is teh suck.

316 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:15:11am

re: #304 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love the tv ads for the Avatar dvd, coming out on Earth Day and "The greatest movie ever made." Yeah, no ego there, Cameron.

I'm glad I got a chance to see it in 3-D on a big screen. I certainly don't forsee it being a part of my movie collection. I loved "How to Train Your Dragon", and I'm definitely glad I saw that in 3-D as well. That one will end up in my movie collection eventually. Yeah, I may be biased, but it's a very entertaining movie.

317 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:15:27am

re: #301 Naso Tang

Iranian cleric 'blames quakes on promiscuous women'

Bullshit. The women always hog the credit...some guy has to be performing well for the earth to move...can i get an amen/

318 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:15:56am

re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have to admit this...I had a McRib the other day. Admitting it is the first step, right?

Holy crap they still make those!?! WHERE DO YOU LIVE?!

ROADTRIP!

/

319 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:09am

re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have to admit this...I had a McRib the other day. Admitting it is the first step, right?

dude, that's just gross.

320 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:32am

re: #308 Aceofwhat?

More like the best-looking terrible movie ever...

That's what I call it.

321 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:33am

re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have to admit this...I had a McRib the other day. Admitting it is the first step, right?

I have not yet seen Avatar. And every time that word comes to mind I think of this anime Shaolin monk with a blue arrow on his head.

322 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:54am

re: #310 Oh no...Sand People!

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, but to say the "GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE" is a stretch. (yeah yeah, but the money says...) Well, if we judge by MONEY, then McDonald's has the BEST BURGERS EVER MADE! I will slap you if you say, 'But they ARE!"

I stand by my statement that Chili's makes the best burger, hands down, bar none. Bacon cheeseburger with American cheese, cooked medium. That is a strong candidate for my 4/20 lunch/dinner.

323 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:17:00am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

A guy I worked with years ago would make a pipe out of a carrot. No shit.

I've made potato pipes. But my favorite 'go-to' was an empty coke or beer can. If I wanted to make a quick pipe with less evidence, I would take a piece of aluminum foil and wrap it around a pencil...slide it off, shape a bowl, and when I was done I could wad it into a small ball and throw it in the garbage can in the kitchen...mom never caught on to that one.

324 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:17:10am

re: #321 laZardo

I have not yet seen Avatar. And every time that word comes to mind I think of this anime Shaolin monk with a blue arrow on his head.

LOL, so do I...
XD

325 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:17:13am

re: #316 MrSilverDragon

I'm glad I got a chance to see it in 3-D on a big screen. I certainly don't forsee it being a part of my movie collection. I loved "How to Train Your Dragon", and I'm definitely glad I saw that in 3-D as well. That one will end up in my movie collection eventually. Yeah, I may be biased, but it's a very entertaining movie.

How did you train your dragon?

326 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:17:20am

re: #315 Alouette

Best eye candy ever made for IMAX 3D. Watching it at home on DVD all you will see is teh suck.

hey, speaking of avatars, who's the cutie in yours? looks a little bit like my daughter did at that age...

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:17:39am

re: #322 Locker

I stand by my statement that Chili's makes the best burger, hands down, bar none. Bacon cheeseburger with American cheese, cooked medium. That is a strong candidate for my 4/20 lunch/dinner.

Do they still put 1000 island dressing on it?

328 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:17:46am

re: #325 Mad Al-Jaffee

In bed... of course... /

329 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:17:53am

re: #309 Locker

Everyone knows the greatest movie ever made was Backdoor Sluts 9.

Disagree. Taboo. Now that was some quality porn.

330 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:18:07am

re: #321 laZardo

I have not yet seen Avatar. And every time that word comes to mind I think of this anime Shaolin monk with a blue arrow on his head.

Dude! I am so hoping M. Night Shyamalamadingdong pulls this one off. It will redeem himself from 'Teh Happening'.

331 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:18:18am

re: #325 Mad Al-Jaffee

How did you train your dragon?

Lace and white frills. It made the wedding.

(this is why folks tell you "don't do drugs")

332 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:19:14am

re: #316 MrSilverDragon

I'm glad I got a chance to see it in 3-D on a big screen. I certainly don't forsee it being a part of my movie collection. I loved "How to Train Your Dragon", and I'm definitely glad I saw that in 3-D as well. That one will end up in my movie collection eventually. Yeah, I may be biased, but it's a very entertaining movie.

I'm waiting for the book.

333 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:19:28am

re: #315 Alouette

Best eye candy ever made for IMAX 3D. Watching it at home on DVD all you will see is teh suck.

When I saw it in IMAX 3D, I was more impressed by the NASA trailer. The 3D was amazing in that.

As great as Avatar looked, quite often I thought I was watching a video game.

334 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:19:59am

re: #322 Locker

I stand by my statement that Chili's makes the best burger, hands down, bar none. Bacon cheeseburger with American cheese, cooked medium. That is a strong candidate for my 4/20 lunch/dinner.

No slap for you. Your passion and zeal for your beloved burger keeps my McDo slap giving at bay. I really don't mind a Wendy's Baconator occasionally and Five Guys burgers...not too bad, given the SHLOAD of fries.

335 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:20:00am

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do they still put 1000 island dressing on it?

Umm... you might be able to get it but the standard burger has a small bit of mayo on the bottom bun, then 4 pickle chips, shredded lettuce, tomato, burger, cheese, bacon, top bun.

I can't stress enough how important it is to stack it in that order and then wrap it in foil and let it sit for at least 3 minutes.

336 sffilk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:20:27am

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

The Treaty of Tripoli, Article Eleven. Written and signed into law by our FOUNDING FUCKING FATHERS! Read it, Sarah. You bubble-headed, revanchist nit-wit.

I think she'd probably say something akin to "Don't confuse me with facts!"

337 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:20:48am

re: #335 Locker

I did a 7 year (total) sentence in that place.

338 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:22:07am

re: #332 darthstar

I'm waiting for the book.

Well, you don't have to wait long! Here ya go!

339 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:22:28am

re: #329 darthstar

Disagree. Taboo. Now that was some quality porn.

Ahah I own Taboo along with High School Memories. First adult feature I ever saw and coincidentally filmed in my wife's home town, at least the outdoor stuff. Backdoor Sluts 9 was the porno that the boys accidentally gave to Butters instead of Lord of the Rings on South Park.

340 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:23:20am

re: #338 MrSilverDragon

Well, you don't have to wait long! Here ya go!

Crap...now I need to wait for it to come out on network TV...formatted to fit my 13" screen, and edited to fit in the time allowed. I'm sure it'll be just as awesome as all the hype.

341 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:23:56am

re: #340 darthstar

Crap...now I need to wait for it to come out on network TV...formatted to fit my 13" screen, and edited to fit in the time allowed. I'm sure it'll be just as awesome as all the hype.

NO MOVING OF THE GOAL POST!!11!!

342 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:23:58am

re: #83 ryannon

You've got a point there. But gold is something that seems to be hard-wired into our collective consciousness. Four letters, one syllable, and like the quest for the perfect woman, something that intimately reflects and animates men's souls since time immemorial, you betcha.

And the dwarves sing songs about it as well...

343 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:24:30am

re: #339 Locker

On a recent 30 Rock, Jack finds out that the company buying NBC does one thing - pay for view porn. There was a scene where a bunch of titles were shown. I'll have to see if I can find them. My favorite was "Cloudy with a Chance of My Balls."

344 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:24:31am

re: #334 Oh no...Sand People!

No slap for you. Your passion and zeal for your beloved burger keeps my McDo slap giving at bay. I really don't mind a Wendy's Baconator occasionally and Five Guys burgers...not too bad, given the SHLOAD of fries.

The baconator is a stand in if i can't get to a Chili's. Never had Five Guys, what locale?

345 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:25:36am

re: #341 Varek Raith

NO MOVING OF THE GOAL POST!!11!!

okay...but that's like 200 whole pages! At least it's illustrated well.

346 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:26:57am

re: #344 Locker

The baconator is a stand in if i can't get to a Chili's. Never had Five Guys, what locale?

East Coast, first opened (I Believe) in Northern VA. Good burgers, and they do give you lots of fries (fresh cooked ones, like the kind you get at the boardwalk.)

347 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:28:05am

re: #343 Mad Al-Jaffee

Found a screen shot:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

348 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:28:46am

re: #344 Locker

The baconator is a stand in if i can't get to a Chili's. Never had Five Guys, what locale?


Guess Five Guys Burgers are relatively new. Mainly Utah, Nevada as well I believe. People try to compare them to 'In & Out' Burger, but I would take Five Guys over them any day.

They have their floor covered in Potato sacks full of potatoes and you literally get half a bag full of natural cut potatoes. Cajun style are my favorite.

349 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:28:46am

re: #346 Mad Al-Jaffee

East Coast, first opened (I Believe) in Northern VA. Good burgers, and they do give you lots of fries (fresh cooked ones, like the kind you get at the boardwalk.)

We got a 5 guys here about a year ago. Haven't been there yet.

350 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:31:01am

re: #163 tnguitarist

Jigsaw puzzles are an abomination unto Nuggan.

351 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:34:00am

Uh, heh?
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

352 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:34:31am

re: #207 Locker

Yea there are only 365 different dates to chose from so I'm sure 4/20 is also National Lemur Awareness Day and Nonstandard Pizza Topping Day but I'm going to continue to celebrate the best way I know how.

Feeding a pineapple pizza to a Lemur? Or using a lemur as a topping on a pizza?

/

353 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:35:05am

re: #347 Mad Al-Jaffee

Found a screen shot:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

That... was hilarious. Just read em all to my wife... big 30 Rock fans over here.

354 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:36:23am

re: #351 Cannadian Club Akbar

Uh, heh?
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Talk about a thorough frisking!

355 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:13am

Sarah Palin is not stupid at all...overly zealous and even dangerous, but not stupid. In fact she is quite shrewd.
According to the linked article, it is not at all clear to me that she is actually in favour of overriding the separation clause. As far as the twin memes of America being or not being a Christian nation, I think that is a red herring. As a matter of historical fact America has always been a nation compromised of a number of religions, with the vast majority being Christian. Recognizing this reality does not negate the separation clause, does it?
And for what it's worth, Palin was careful to couch her clearly religious remarks as not being political, which I found rather clever.

356 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:22am

re: #347 Mad Al-Jaffee

Found a screen shot:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

lolz..."Fresh Ass - based on the novel 'Tush' by Assfire"

357 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:45am

re: #348 Oh no...Sand People!

I've tried the 5 Guys burgers here in NYC. Pretty good. Fries are better than average.

Bobby's Burger Palace (Bobby Flay) has a chain developing in the NYC metro area - and the burgers are pretty good but on the pricey side. The sauces you can pick and choose make the burger. Fries are good, but the shakes (a true $5 shake - and no bourbon or nothing) really seal the deal.

I prefer local places and there are a couple that stand out in Bergen County.

Dutch House Tavern in Fair Lawn, White Manna in Hackensack, and Fireplace in Paramus.

358 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:38:28am

re: #271 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Note that those vacations apparently need to be kept within the EU. I imagine the thinking is that no euros are squandered if in a closed loop. It's the first time I've heard of a government official declaring vacations to be a human right, however.

Individual EU countries have long had similar programs, generally limited to holidays within their respective country. There are various packages subsidized to varying degrees depending on one's income - or even where one lives (public housing in disadvantaged areas, etc.) It's pretty much part of the landscape and appears to fulfill it's purpose: giving people the chance to take a modest holiday they might never be able to afford.

The idea that all of this would be legislated from Brussels is part of the EU's attempt to unify and create a super-state out of dozens of countries, from the very poor to the richest. As for the horrors of a Socialist super-power, I don't see many - other than the usual injustices endured by the poorest or most disadvantaged sectors of the population. And generally speaking, the Scandinavian countries, right down to Holland, enjoy an enviable life-style that many Americans would appreciate. It somehow works here, which is the main thing. As to exporting things like universal health coverage to the U.S., the European approach can't be said to travel well - as witnessed by the reactions to ObamaCare. Incidentally, seen from the EU, the situation in the U.S. is judged largely incomprehensible - just as the EU system inspires horror and incomprehension in the U.S.

Once again, as a long-time expat, all I can say is that it works for me. I pay into it and it has seen me through an illness which would have bankrupted me in the States. I'm in an income bracket which precludes many of the other benefits intended for those with more modest (or no) income, but I don't mind paying into a system designed to protect those less well-off than myself. As I say, it's the nature of reality here, and it colors the way one sees things. So please, no seekrit Commie or Socialist spitballs in my direction :-) I just thought some of you might appreciate the view of a bona-fide American a far way from home....

359 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:39:52am

re: #21 Cato the Elder

Any "prayer shield" the Wasilla Twit might garner from her idiot women will be negated by my Prog Tranzi Catholic prayer circle of transnational progressive nuns and friars.

Palin has no chance.

That'd likely work too, considering how nuns and friars have a far greater understanding of Christianity than the twit from Wasilla.

360 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:40:36am

re: #357 lawhawk

I've tried the 5 Guys burgers here in NYC. Pretty good. Fries are better than average.

Bobby's Burger Palace (Bobby Flay) has a chain developing in the NYC metro area - and the burgers are pretty good but on the pricey side. The sauces you can pick and choose make the burger. Fries are good, but the shakes (a true $5 shake - and no bourbon or nothing) really seal the deal.

I prefer local places and there are a couple that stand out in Bergen County.

Dutch House Tavern in Fair Lawn, White Manna in Hackensack, and Fireplace in Paramus.

Laugh that's my old stomping ground. Glen Rock baby! I particularly like the Fireplace.... mmm. Additionally if there is one thing I miss from home more than the fresh made bagels it's having a good Taylor Ham, Egg and Cheese. I sometimes buy a whole roll via mail order and make em at home.

361 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:40:53am

re: #357 lawhawk

One of these days I'm going to leave work early, and instead of going straight home I'll take the Metro to Arlington and eat at Ray's Hell Burger. I've been wanting to try it for a while. Obama and Biden's visit there has made it way too popular, so I want to go in between the lunch and dinner rush.

[Link: www.yelp.com...]

362 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:40:54am

What the hell is a "tranzi"???

363 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:41:15am

4/20 always makes me sad because it marks the end of an Aries.

364 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:42:08am

re: #355 Spare O'Lake

Sarah Palin is not stupid at all...overly zealous and even dangerous, but not stupid. In fact she is quite shrewd.
According to the linked article, it is not at all clear to me that she is actually in favour of overriding the separation clause. As far as the twin memes of America being or not being a Christian nation, I think that is a red herring. As a matter of historical fact America has always been a nation compromised of a number of religions, with the vast majority being Christian. Recognizing this reality does not negate the separation clause, does it?
And for what it's worth, Palin was careful to couch her clearly religious remarks as not being political, which I found rather clever.

Even if she's not stupid (for which you make a good argument), her anti-intellectualism makes her dangerous.

365 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:42:28am

re: #361 Mad Al-Jaffee

One of these days I'm going to leave work early, and instead of going straight home I'll take the Metro to Arlington and eat at Ray's Hell Burger. I've been wanting to try it for a while. Obama and Biden's visit there has made it way too popular, so I want to go in between the lunch and dinner rush.

[Link: www.yelp.com...]

That should be a fourth option on Reine's poll for the cookbook funds.

4. Nationwide LGF Best Burger Bus Tour 2010

366 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:42:36am

re: #363 darthstar

4/20 always makes me sad because it marks the end of an Aries.

Tch. I'm stuck with a zodiac sign that's two kinds of bodily harm.

367 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:43:02am

re: #362 Varek Raith

What the hell is a "tranzi"???

Hermione Goering.

368 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:43:42am

re: #362 Varek Raith

What the hell is a "tranzi"???

Transexual zombie... don't you know anything?

369 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:29am
370 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:12am

Rep Rangel's campaign committee pays a mystery $26k fine to NYC. No word on what the fine was for, but Rangel's people say it was in accordance with FEC disclosures.

I suspect it has something to do with failing to report taxes or the use of rent stabilized apartments in NYC for his campaign purposes, but unless someone in the City announces the reason, the purpose will remain a mystery.

371 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:25am
372 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:46:01am

re: #362 Varek Raith

What the hell is a "tranzi"???

Tranzi = Transnational Progressive. In its simplest meaning, it refers to progressives who wish to supplant national government institutions with transnational ones. Some on the right use it far too expansively, and refer to most left-liberals as tranzis. Most of the American left does not qualify under the strict definition of the term I use.

373 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:46:18am

re: #365 Locker

Followed closely by:

#5 National BBQ tour hitting all the major bbq hotspots.

374 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:47:03am

re: #355 Spare O'Lake


And for what it's worth, Palin was careful to couch her clearly religious remarks as not being political, which I found rather clever.



“Hearing any leader declare that America isn’t a Christian nation and poking at allies like Israel in the eye — it is mind-boggling to see some of our nation’s actions recently, but politics truly is a topic for another day,” Palin said

Cleverly couched with the skill of a surgeon...yeah. The woman's a fucking idiot with the subtlety of a bull in a china shop.

375 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:47:13am

re: #373 lawhawk

Followed closely by:

#5 National BBQ tour hitting all the major bbq hotspots.

You could include visiting me and my Big Green Egg on that one.

376 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:47:29am

re: #370 lawhawk

Rep Rangel's campaign committee pays a mystery $26k fine to NYC. No word on what the fine was for, but Rangel's people say it was in accordance with FEC disclosures.

I suspect it has something to do with failing to report taxes or the use of rent stabilized apartments in NYC for his campaign purposes, but unless someone in the City announces the reason, the purpose will remain a mystery.

i'm sure he had the best of intentions, though...9_9

377 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:48:35am

re: #373 lawhawk

Followed closely by:

#5 National BBQ tour hitting all the major bbq hotspots.

Ok lets just combine it into:

National LGF BBQ and Burger Tour 2010

378 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:49:08am

BBL

379 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:49:30am

re: #377 Locker

Ok lets just combine it into:

National LGF BBQ and Burger and Pie! Tour 2010

380 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:50:11am

re: #377 Locker

Ok lets just combine it into:

National LGF BBQ and Burger Tour 2010

Which would be followed by the LGF health care stress test case for heart attack mitigation and treatment options. /

381 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:50:38am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

Even if she's not stupid (for which you make a good argument), her anti-intellectualism makes her dangerous.

I agree with you.
Oh, and by the way, that "prayer shield" that Palin invoked as protection from media bashing actually sounds like a real winner...sort of like the "cone of silence" on Get Smart!

382 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:51:12am

re: #379 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ok man but we are going to have to get NORML as a sponsor.

383 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:51:37am

re: #381 Spare O'Lake

I agree with you.
Oh, and by the way, that "prayer shield" that Palin invoked as protection from media bashing actually sounds like a real winner...sort of like the "cone of silence" on Get Smart!

Heh, she fancies herself some kind of D&D Cleric.

384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:52:13am

A boy of 12 is shipwrecked on an island. Ten years later a woman gets stranded on the same island. They meet and he tells her that he lives off coconuts and clams that he digs.

She says, "What do you do for sex?" He says, "What?" So, she shows him.

After, she says to him, "Well, what did you think?"

He says great! "But, look what you did to my clam digger."

385 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:52:21am

re: #381 Spare O'Lake

I agree with you.
Oh, and by the way, that "prayer shield" that Palin invoked as protection from media bashing actually sounds like a real winner...sort of like the "cone of silence" on Get Smart!

Would be possible to require Sarah Palin to give her speeches inside the Cone of Silence. Then we would have to listen to her twittery.

386 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:52:36am

re: #380 lawhawk

Which would be followed by the LGF health care stress test case for heart attack mitigation and treatment options. /

you mean tennis?

387 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:53:41am

re: #381 Spare O'Lake

I agree with you.
Oh, and by the way, that "prayer shield" that Palin invoked as protection from media bashing actually sounds like a real winner...sort of like the "cone of silence" on Get Smart!

Now you're talking.

388 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:53:58am

re: #381 Spare O'Lake

I agree with you.
Oh, and by the way, that "prayer shield" that Palin invoked as protection from media bashing actually sounds like a real winner...sort of like the "cone of silence" on Get Smart!

Her and McCain under the mobile Cone of Silence would be a prize-winner.

389 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:54:04am

re: #383 Varek Raith

Heh, she fancies herself some kind of D&D Cleric.

Then we need a "Spank the Twit" spell for one of our wizards.

/game geeks at "work"

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:55:04am

Regarding Sarah... Most folks at LGF would suck at being Sarah Palin.

Pandering to the audience? Just isn't done here.

392 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:55:29am

For those of us who don't watch TV: Maddow's The McVeigh Tapes - Part 1 is on youtube. Subsequent parts can be found on the sidebar.

393 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:55:29am

re: #384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This guy who works at a pickle factory comes home and hands his wife 50 dollars.

She asked him what it was from and he told her that he won it in a bet -- the guys at the factory bet him 50 dollars that he wouldn't stick his dick in the pickle slicer.

The wife was surprised and said she wanted to make sure he was still intact.

He pulled down his pants and, indeed, it was all there, unharmed.

“But what about the pickle slicer,” asked the wife, perplexed. “Oh, she liked it too,” answered the husband.

394 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:55:50am

re: #316 MrSilverDragon

I'm glad I got a chance to see it in 3-D on a big screen. I certainly don't forsee it being a part of my movie collection. I loved "How to Train Your Dragon", and I'm definitely glad I saw that in 3-D as well. That one will end up in my movie collection eventually. Yeah, I may be biased, but it's a very entertaining movie.

Yeah, same here.

I'll end up buying How to Train Your Dragon at some point. Avatar? Not so much. I liked it and all, but I don't see a need to ever watch it again.

395 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:55:51am

I like how she tried to blame the media of fabricating her rider (celebrities list of demands). She's just a God-prayin', moose-huntin' hockey mom after all, totally average, not famous, not rich and definitely not a celebrity.

396 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:56:38am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

For those of us who don't watch TV: Maddow's The McVeigh Tapes - Part 1 is on youtube. Subsequent parts can be found on the sidebar.

It's also on iTunes, since MSNBC podcasts her entire show every day.

397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:56:47am

re: #394 Lidane

I walked out of Avatar...

Should have been named, "Hey! Look What CGI can do now!"

398 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:57:34am

re: #396 Lidane

It's also on iTunes, since MSNBC podcasts her entire show every day.

Don't you have to pay for it on iTunes?

399 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:57:58am

re: #374 darthstar


Cleverly couched with the skill of a surgeon...yeah. The woman's a fucking idiot with the subtlety of a bull in a china shop.

Clever enough, it seems, to keep filling those stadiums. But go ahead and call her a fucking idiot if that makes you feel safer...after all, dehumanizing one's political opponents is all the rage these days.
I think Palin is shrewd and dangerous, and a real force to be reckoned with.

400 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:09am

re: #394 Lidane

Yeah, same here.

I'll end up buying How to Train Your Dragon at some point. Avatar? Not so much. I liked it and all, but I don't see a need to ever watch it again.

Why see Avatar again when you have this?

[Link: liveforfilms.wordpress.com...]

401 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:36am

re: #381 Spare O'Lake

I agree with you.
Oh, and by the way, that "prayer shield" that Palin invoked as protection from media bashing actually sounds like a real winner...sort of like the "cone of silence" on Get Smart!

I'm not bothered by that snark in the least...but it's sortofa generic Christian term for asking for protection through prayer. I get that the imagery sounds silly to a non-Christian, but you're bagging on Christians more than Palin here, and i doubt that was your intention.

Class dismissed. Carry on!

402 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:40am

re: #358 ryannon

Addendum:

That said, the American middle-class enjoys a day-to-day level of pleasures that far exceed those of most Europeans. This was driven home (once again) while watching the documentary "Devil's Playground" where both renegade Amish and non-Amish kids in the middle of buttfuck Indiana are rolling around in great rides, partying 'till they drop and generally having a great time. The whole idea of American-style 'fun' is so above the average EU citizen's conception as to seem surrealistic.

So there you go: the grass really is greener on the other side of the street. The problem is that once you get there, the same thing operates in reverse. So bloom where you're planted, guys, and keep rocking on! The planet would be an even sadder place without the Americans.

403 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:48am

re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I walked out of Avatar...

Should have been named, "Hey! Look What CGI can do now!"

Heh, the last film I saw in theaters was Revenge of the Sith....

404 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:59:30am

re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I walked out of Avatar...

Should have been named, "Hey! Look What CGI can do now!"

The boyfriend and I went to see it in 3D. I ended up feeling disoriented and nauseous for hours after the movie was done because of all the 3D effects. It was overwhelming for me. It was a pretty film, but after a while, I was just begging for it to end so I could crawl into bed and get over the headache.

re: #398 darthstar

Don't you have to pay for it on iTunes?

Not for podcasts, no. Those are free.

405 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:00:45am

re: #399 Spare O'Lake

Clever enough, it seems, to keep filling those stadiums. But go ahead and call her a fucking idiot if that makes you feel safer...after all, dehumanizing one's political opponents is all the rage these days.
I think Palin is shrewd and dangerous, and a real force to be reckoned with.

She is a bumbling idiot propped up by puppet masters and drunk on her own image. She isn't dangerous, she's a miracle. She's going to continue to shred the Republican party until it's so fragmented and bogged down with infighting that they can't win a watermelon seed spitting contest.

I hope beyond hope that she runs for President. OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!

406 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:01:22am

re: #402 ryannon

Addendum:

That said, the American middle-class enjoys a day-to-day level of pleasures that far exceed those of most Europeans. This was driven home (once again) while watching the documentary "Devil's Playground" where both renegade Amish and non-Amish kids in the middle of buttfuck Indiana are rolling around in great rides, partying 'till they drop and generally having a great time. The whole idea of American-style 'fun' is so above the average EU citizen's conception as to seem surrealistic.

So there you go: the grass really is greener on the other side of the street. The problem is that once you get there, the same thing operates in reverse. So bloom where you're planted, guys, and keep rocking on! The planet would be an even sadder place without the Americans.

In other words, it's dry-yellowish-brown on both sides. :D

/my glass is always half-empty. q;

407 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:02:08am

re: #401 Aceofwhat?

I'm not bothered by that snark in the least...but it's sortofa generic Christian term for asking for protection through prayer. I get that the imagery sounds silly to a non-Christian, but you're bagging on Christians more than Palin here, and i doubt that was your intention.

Class dismissed. Carry on!

Oops, sorry.

408 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:02:23am

re: #406 laZardo

In other words, it's dry-yellowish-brown on both sides. :D

/my glass is always half-empty. q;

which side has crabgrass?

409 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:02:39am

re: #399 Spare O'Lake

Clever enough, it seems, to keep filling those stadiums. But go ahead and call her a fucking idiot if that makes you feel safer...after all, dehumanizing one's political opponents is all the rage these days.
I think Palin is shrewd and dangerous, and a real force to be reckoned with.

I think she's got a few people who are shrewd and dangerous who know how to market her. She's a trained puppy. And her crowds are getting smaller, not larger, these days. She's not a force to be reckoned with so much as she is a gift to the Democratic party. Her folksy shtick is only embraced by the jello-mold people in flyover states.

410 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:02:45am

re: #403 Varek Raith

Heh, the last film I saw in theaters was Revenge of the Sith...

My condolences.

I'd go off on a rant about the Star Wars prequels, but it would just depress me. As far as I'm concerned, they don't exist in my Star Wars canon.

411 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:03:21am

Hmm, foster agency turns down a woman's application to act as a foster parent because she doesn't serve pork products.

Baltimore Sun link

The right to eat bacon must be defended unto the death!

/

412 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:03:28am

re: #395 Vambo

I like how she tried to blame the media of fabricating her rider (celebrities list of demands). She's just a God-prayin', moose-huntin' hockey mom after all, totally average, not famous, not rich and definitely not a celebrity.

She is intelligent enough to run the state of Alaska (with a population less than that of Phoenix, AZ) and to make a name of herself nationwide, but I do not think she has the education or capacity to become a World leader.

And yes, historically speaking, America has been predominantly Christian.
But the way whe is phrasing and presenting it overlooks some basic facts.

The Puritan settlers did not come here because they were victims of persecution, they came here because other Europeans would not put up with their oppressive, intolerant approach to Christianity, which was too backward for Europe even in the early 1600's.

Our Founding Fathers wished to avoid the carnage that raged in Europe throughout the XVII Century over religion: the Thirty Years' War, the Egglish Civil War, etc., by relegating religion to the private sphere, according the protection of the state but prohibiting the state from promoting any particular religion over another.

Granted, a majority of Americans are still Christian (in one form or antoher), but our Constitution is also there to protect people's personal beliefs from the "tyranny of the majority".

413 laZardo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:03:43am

Bedtime, internship tomorrow. Cheers.

414 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:44am

re: #405 Locker

She is a bumbling idiot propped up by puppet masters and drunk on her own image. She isn't dangerous, she's a miracle. She's going to continue to shred the Republican party until it's so fragmented and bogged down with infighting that they can't win a watermelon seed spitting contest.

I hope beyond hope that she runs for President. OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!

It's an interesting proposition: Sarah Palin - Populist Idiot or Shrewd Opportunist? It would be a good LGF Debate - you know, three speakers (essayists) for, three against; write a good, supported argument and refute the points of the other side, ideally without rancour.

Given the nature of those on this site, I think a LGF Debate on many topics would be a very interesting read. Especially if those selected to participate didn't necessarily have strong feelings one way or another, or were trying to examine the argument from the side they didn't naturally support.

415 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:59am

re: #405 Locker

Hate to piss in your cornflakes... Ain't gonna happen.

416 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:05:04am

re: #402 ryannon

i loved both posts. it really does come down to choices and preferences, not good and bad. i loved Europe and i love this country, too.

417 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:24am

re: #405 Locker

She is a bumbling idiot propped up by puppet masters and drunk on her own image. She isn't dangerous, she's a miracle. She's going to continue to shred the Republican party until it's so fragmented and bogged down with infighting that they can't win a watermelon seed spitting contest.

I hope beyond hope that she runs for President. OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!

I hope she does NOT run. After all, what if she wins?

418 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:27am

re: #412 ralphieboy

Unfortunately all too many Americans are totally ignorant of our country's history, and the European precedents that drove a lot of decisions made by our Founding Fathers.

Much to easy to just lap up the pablum versions spilled out by leaders who want sheeple to lead.

419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:53am

re: #410 Lidane

I thought episode 3 was very, very good. Could have done without JarJar... that was dumbdumb.

420 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:11am

re: #407 Spare O'Lake

Oops, sorry.

no, no, it's totally fine. that's why i said i wasn't bothered - it's ok to say that part of religion A or B seems silly. of course it does!

i just know you were trying to be focused on Palin, and i didn't want your remarks to be taken in a context you didn't intend.

if you want to bag on Christians, go for it - God doesn't need me to stick up for Him! i just didn't want you to do it accidentally-

looking out for you;)

421 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:13am

re: #417 Spare O'Lake

I hope she does NOT run. After all, what if she wins?

I'm moving to Endor.

422 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:15am

re: #412 ralphieboy

Our Founding Fathers wished to avoid the carnage that raged in Europe throughout the XVII Century over religion: the Thirty Years' War, the Egglish Civil War, etc., by relegating religion to the private sphere, according the protection of the state but prohibiting the state from promoting any particular religion over another.

Who knew that Lilliputian politics played such a strong role in America's founding?

423 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:35am

re: #402 ryannon

Addendum:

That said, the American middle-class enjoys a day-to-day level of pleasures that far exceed those of most Europeans. This was driven home (once again) while watching the documentary "Devil's Playground" where both renegade Amish and non-Amish kids in the middle of buttfuck Indiana are rolling around in great rides, partying 'till they drop and generally having a great time. The whole idea of American-style 'fun' is so above the average EU citizen's conception as to seem surrealistic.

So there you go: the grass really is greener on the other side of the street. The problem is that once you get there, the same thing operates in reverse. So bloom where you're planted, guys, and keep rocking on! The planet would be an even sadder place without the Americans.


As I mentioned, most Europeans do not have the option of just hanging out in the backyard bbq & swimming pool over a long holiday weekend, or of taking the RV up to the lake for some fishing.

In order to "get away from it all", they have to go on vacation somewhere.

424 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:45am

re: #417 Spare O'Lake

I hope she does NOT run. After all, what if she wins?

The only thing she could win would be the primary...and even that's a long shot. Mainstream(moderate) republicans are already eschewing her.

425 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:08:00am

re: #421 Varek Raith

I'm moving to Endor.

Before, or after, the metal rains begin from the decaying orbits of Death Star bits?

426 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:08:34am

Okay...time to head to work...later gators.

427 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:08:55am

re: #425 oaktree

Before, or after, the metal rains begin from the decaying orbits of Death Star bits?

After. Saves on having to hire exterminators to deal with the teddy bears.
:evilgrin:

428 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:09:27am

re: #406 laZardo

In other words, it's dry-yellowish-brown on both sides. :D

/my glass is always half-empty. q;

No, really greener. But on both sides. If I'm not mistaken, you're in the Philippines, which has its own context of good living. Where would you rather be, and why? Professionally speaking, and if you're willing to work for everything that it offers, I'm sure you know that the U.S. is the best choice. If you're a more laid-back guy and appreciative of where you are, why leave home base for a system you might not be comfortable with? As for myself, I could probably make a satisfying life for myself on the moon. It's a question of one's own priorities in relation to accepting the possibilities and limitations of wherever you are.

429 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:04am

re: #424 darthstar

The only thing she could win would be the primary...and even that's a long shot. Mainstream(moderate) republicans are already eschewing her.

How about she forms her nice little vote block and converts that into a seat on the Supreme Court. Then she could stick in the craw of the liberals for decades to come! Plus the new precedent of the term "you betcha" appearing in SC decisions.

430 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:18am
re: #412 ralphieboy

The Puritan settlers did not come here because they were victims of persecution, they came here because other Europeans would not put up with their oppressive, intolerant approach to Christianity, which was too backward for Europe even in the early 1600's.

That is absolutely stunning.

431 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:40am

re: #419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought episode 3 was very, very good. Could have done without JarJar... that was dumbdumb.

That's my feeling on episode 6, and the ewoks. Irritating little things which added nothing to the movie for me.

432 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:39am

re: #431 MrSilverDragon

That's my feeling on episode 6, and the ewoks. Irritating little things which added nothing to the movie for me.

Now a forest moon full of Wookies would have been cool...

433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:55am

re: #431 MrSilverDragon

They were cute little fuckers.

434 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:12:10am

re: #431 MrSilverDragon

That's my feeling on episode 6, and the ewoks. Irritating little things which added nothing to the movie for me.

They represented the Viet Cong taking on the Vietnamese and US armies!

435 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:12:53am

re: #421 Varek Raith

I'm moving to Endor.

Really? I always figured you for a Dxun sort of guy...

436 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:17am

re: #431 MrSilverDragon

That's my feeling on episode 6, and the ewoks. Irritating little things which added nothing to the movie for me.

Sometimes you just have to take established canon and throw it out the window. Stupid ewoks defeating the Empire in a ground war. Stupid midiwhatsits.

437 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:59am

re: #432 oaktree

Now a forest moon full of Wookies would have been cool...

Great, now you just reminded me of the travesty called "The Star Wars Christmas Special". I can feel my innards melting at the mere thought of it.

438 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:00am

re: #435 Aceofwhat?

Really? I always figured you for a Dxun sort of guy...

Endor after I razed it to the ground.

439 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:28am

re: #419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought episode 3 was very, very good. Could have done without JarJar... that was dumbdumb.

my feelings exactly.

440 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:57am

re: #437 MrSilverDragon

Happy Life Day!

441 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:15:07am

re: #438 Varek Raith

And raise deceased Ewoks as the zombie/skeleton army to hunt down the rest? Plus, with the metal on hand some Ewok Terminators as well... ;)

442 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:15:35am

re: #430 Spare O'Lake

That is absolutely stunning.

it's an... interesting way of looking at it. I'm no fan of the Puritans though, too much emotional repression for me - it isn't natural.

443 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:15:59am

re: #441 oaktree

And raise deceased Ewoks as the zombie/skeleton army to hunt down the rest? Plus, with the metal on hand some Ewok Terminators as well... ;)

Awesome.

444 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:16:32am

Breaking intertoob rumor...Big Ten football to add UConn...sweet

445 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:17:09am

re: #444 Aceofwhat?

Breaking intertoob rumor...Big Ten football to add UConn...sweet

Out of the Big East?

446 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:17:41am

re: #432 oaktree

Now a forest moon full of Wookies would have been cool...

Their planet would have made a great setting for a bigger chunk of the story.

447 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:09am

re: #423 ralphieboy

As I mentioned, most Europeans do not have the option of just hanging out in the backyard bbq & swimming pool over a long holiday weekend, or of taking the RV up to the lake for some fishing.

In order to "get away from it all", they have to go on vacation somewhere.

Yep, but I can rent a car (it's easier to rent than to own one in Paris) and in two hours, I'm in paradise: the French countryside is legendary in its beauty and variety. And the same holds true for many other EU countries from Scandinavia to Greece (yeah, broke but still beautiful to visit).

On the other hand, your description of hanging out in the backyard around the pool and just kicking back for a long weekend is right-on. Here, people make that two or three-hour trip by car or rail and go to their country places. Even people with very modest means: nearly everyone in the big cities emigrated from the boonies, which means that they've often inherited the old family place (from cabins to castles) when their parents passed.

So once again, from which side of the street does the grass look greener?

448 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:57am

re: #445 Cannadian Club Akbar

Out of the Big East?

Yep. Just a rumor...i'm trying to figure it out. Yes, i should be working. Shut up!

(it would make the b10 even richer...the Northeast will benefit from richer football traditions visiting and the b10 will benefit from a larger TV market)

449 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:19:20am

re: #446 Aceofwhat?

Their planet would have made a great setting for a bigger chunk of the story.

A friend of mine got the Lego StarWars game for PS3 recently (Yes, it's been out for a while.) His daughter's (she's 8) favorite character is Chewbacca for how he pulls the arms off stormtroopers in hand-to-hand combat.

450 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:20:29am

From one of my favorite Robot Chicken sketches:

Darth Vader: Luke... I am your father!
Luke Skywalker: Noooo! That's impossible!
Darth Vader: It's true! And Princess Leia is your sister!
Luke Skywalker: That's... improbable.
Darth Vader: And the Empire will be defeated by Ewoks!
Luke Skywalker: That's... highly unlikely...
Darth Vader: And as a kid, I built C-3PO!
Luke Skywalker: ...wha?
[time passes]
Darth Vader: And you know that all-powerful Force? That's really just microscopic bacteria called Midichlorians!
Luke Skywalker: [smoking a cigarette] Look, if you're not gonna take this seriously, I'm outta here!

451 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:20:49am

All I asked of Darth was that he protect a frakkin' exhaust port 2 meters wide. And his asthmatic ass couldn't do that with a couple of star destroyers, fleet of TIE fighters, and thousands of troops? That he ended up flying around for a couple of weeks in his damaged TIE fighter smelling like leathery burnt bacon serves him right. /Emperor "Papa" Palpatine

452 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:21:15am

re: #400 Mad Al-Jaffee

Why see Avatar again when you have this?

[Link: liveforfilms.wordpress.com...]

Except that "Avatar" did not win any major Oscars, just some geeky tech awards for the CGI, while "Hurt Locker" grabbed everything else.

453 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:20am

re: #442 Vambo

it's an... interesting way of looking at it. I'm no fan of the Puritans though, too much emotional repression for me - it isn't natural.

Yeah, that Quaker Oats goo my mother used to try to get me to eat was TOTALLY PERVERTED!

454 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:48am

re: #453 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, that Quaker Oats goo my mother used to try to get me to eat was TOTALLY PERVERTED!

Quakers /= Puritans

455 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:24am

re: #449 oaktree

A friend of mine got the Lego StarWars game for PS3 recently (Yes, it's been out for a while.) His daughter's (she's 8) favorite character is Chewbacca for how he pulls the arms off stormtroopers in hand-to-hand combat.

If that wasn't a Lego game, it would've been rated Adults Only. That having been said, does that game have a mission that would let Verak fly his TIEx1 Advanced?

/Stay on target!

456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:27am

re: #453 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, that Quaker Oats goo my mother used to try to get me to eat was TOTALLY PERVERTED!

I love oatmeal.

'Specially in cookies.

457 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:37am

re: #452 Alouette

Except that "Avatar" did not win any major Oscars, just some geeky tech awards for the CGI, while "Hurt Locker" grabbed everything else.

I know. But it's still funny.

458 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:24:42am

re: #445 Cannadian Club Akbar

Out of the Big East?

Huh. Rittenberg thinks they may add more than UConn if they don't get ND (i doubt they'll get NDame). a 14-team conference...would we have to stop calling it the B10 at that point?;)

[Link: espn.go.com...]
[Link: espn.go.com...]

459 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:25:11am

re: #447 ryannon


I nonetheless like the notion that vacation time should not be a luxury left to those who can afford it, it is, in a sense "socialized".

Although that does not apply to me over here in Euirope: I am self-employed, I have to finance my own time off.

460 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:25:42am

re: #452 Alouette

Except that "Avatar" did not win any major Oscars, just some geeky tech awards for the CGI, while "Hurt Locker" grabbed everything else.

"The Hurt Locker" deserved the awards more. "Avatar" is a technical triumph that made loads of money, but that's all it is. "The Hurt Locker" is a better movie in terms of story and characters, and that counts for Oscars.

461 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:25:43am

re: #456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love oatmeal.

'Specially in cookies.

I WANT MY MAYPO!

462 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:25:59am

re: #452 Alouette

Except that "Avatar" did not win any major Oscars, just some geeky tech awards for the CGI, while "Hurt Locker" grabbed everything else.

And "Star Wars" (before becoming Ep IV) only won minor Oscars as well. Best Picture went to "Annie Hall" that year. Music, editing, special effects, you know, geeky stuff! ;)

463 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:26:26am

re: #456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV, would you pay $28 for a pie?

[Link: www.princeofpetworth.com...]

464 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:26:48am

re: #459 ralphieboy

I nonetheless like the notion that vacation time should not be a luxury left to those who can afford it, it is, in a sense "socialized"

This reads like a departure from the original point, if i read the original point correctly.

Do you simply mean a requirement that a worker receive X paid vacation days for every Y days worked?

465 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:27:04am

re: #458 Aceofwhat?

I just want UConn out of the Big East. They beat USF last year. Good team.

466 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:00am

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

If that wasn't a Lego game, it would've been rated Adults Only. That having been said, does that game have a mission that would let Verak fly his TIEx1 Advanced?

/Stay on target!

Concur. If it wasn't Lego block death the game would be rated much higher. It also has a good bit of tongue-in-cheek goofiness as well.

IIRC, the "open" mode lets you use all sorts of stuff so I wouldn't be surprised if advanced TIE fighters would be available for some of the missions once you unlocked them. (The Hoth mission you do in a snowspeeder initially had a "gate" that was TIE only.)

467 yoshicastmaster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:36am

she just gets crazier.

can't believe we have to hear about her until she loses the next primary. she's such a joke.

468 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:49am

re: #458 Aceofwhat?

It's the Big 10 (for very large values of ten) as it is now... ;)

469 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:29:01am

re: #465 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just want UConn out of the Big East. They beat USF last year. Good team.

I want the B10 to expand eastward. It's the right way to get the revenue and exposure they need to keep up with the SEC.

470 yoshicastmaster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:29:36am

i'd love to have a constitutional law professor sit down with her, on camera, and discuss her views with her.

she'd have to fall back on "liberal acadmic elite" BS when she gets shot down. but I would be amused.

471 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:30:12am

re: #469 Aceofwhat?

I want the B10 to expand eastward. It's the right way to get the revenue and exposure they need to keep up with the SEC.

The SEC is fuckin' great. How many National Championships in the last 5 years?

472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:31:22am
Youtube Video

heh

473 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:31:58am

re: #471 Cannadian Club Akbar

The SEC is fuckin' great. How many National Championships in the last 5 years?

All of them. I'm a Big 10 fan but you won't hear me saying anything bad about the SEC. It's the premier conference until proven otherwise.

As an aside, though, it's a shame that McCoy was knocked out of the NC game. It wasn't a real NC game after that. It's not Bama's fault, but they got lucky.

474 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:04am

I know it's been posted here before, but more Star Wars:

[Link: wildammo.com...]

475 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:42am

re: #462 oaktree

Because the acting in the Star Wars movies.. was well... gloriously bad for the most part. Cheesy B movie stuff. Fun for what it was. It was the geek quotient that made the movie work.

It also strikes me as something funny that the best of the Star Wars movies were the ones that Lucas didn't meddle with as director.

Oh, and the original trilogy did far better at the Oscars than the prequels, which didn't even merit a technical win.

476 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:33:54am

For a moronic fucking idiot, Sarah Palin sure has accomplished a great deal, hasn't she?

Laters gators.

477 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:35:40am

re: #476 Spare O'Lake

For a moronic fucking idiot, Sarah Palin sure has accomplished a great deal, hasn't she?

Laters gators.

And I reply, so has Kim Kardashian.

478 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:09am

re: #477 Stanley Sea

And I reply, so has Kim Kardashian.

and Britney.
and Paris Hilton.

479 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:27am

Alex Trebek is racist

Youtube Video
480 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:54am

re: #477 Stanley Sea

And I reply, so has Kim Kardashian.

oh SNAP

OTOH, Eliot Spitzer called and wants his 'moronic quitter governor' crown back...

481 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:57am

re: #464 Aceofwhat?

This reads like a departure from the original point, if i read the original point correctly.

Do you simply mean a requirement that a worker receive X paid vacation days for every Y days worked?


EU law requires a minimum of 20 days paid vacation per year, the standard is closer to 30 for most companies.

482 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:50am

re: #479 cliffster

Alex Trebek is racist


[Video]

Heh.

483 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:00am

re: #479 cliffster

Alex Trebek is racist


[Video]

oops.

well anyway, Trebek still >> Sajak.

484 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:38am

re: #479 cliffster

By the way, does it get any better than Will Ferrell's impression of Alex Trebek?

i submit that it does not...

485 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:44am

re: #470 yoshicastmaster

i'd love to have a constitutional law professor sit down with her, on camera, and discuss her views with her.

she'd have to fall back on "liberal acadmic elite" BS when she gets shot down. but I would be amused.

You'd get your chance if she got the GOP nomination, since the President was a constitutional law professor.

Of course, that would require the GOP to collectively lose their minds and nominate her, but watching the debates between her and Obama would be entertaining. I'd drink myself through them just for the laughs.

486 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:09am

Proof of fascism: Protesting leftists

487 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:09am

re: #480 Aceofwhat?

oh SNAP

OTOH, Eliot Spitzer called and wants his 'moronic quitter governor' crown back...

Nice.

488 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:17am

re: #484 Aceofwhat?

By the way, does it get any better than Will Ferrell's impression of Alex Trebek?

i submit that it does not...

Norm McDonald as Burt Reynolds?

489 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:22am

re: #475 lawhawk

Because the acting in the Star Wars movies.. was well... gloriously bad for the most part. Cheesy B movie stuff. Fun for what it was. It was the geek quotient that made the movie work.

It also strikes me as something funny that the best of the Star Wars movies were the ones that Lucas didn't meddle with as director.

Oh, and the original trilogy did far better at the Oscars than the prequels, which didn't even merit a technical win.

Oh, I heartily agree with you. The Star Wars films are cheesy, and primarily homages to 30s serial films much as Indiana Jones is. Technically brilliant, which their Oscar awards reflect. The prequels were not as groundbreaking and thus didn't even warrant awards in that area.

My personal opinion is that Lucas started believing his own propaganda about creating a new mythic cycle and went off the rails from there. Combined with what I see were decisions based on what would create good marketing tie-ins. Also, I think Lucas has a very good grasp of visual effects, especially for storyboard and set-piece images. Beyond that it appears he is awful with dialogue and handling actors; or has become that way since his early films.

490 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:40:25am

re: #481 ralphieboy

EU law requires a minimum of 20 days paid vacation per year, the standard is closer to 30 for most companies.

ok, that's what i thought. and Europeans like it, so good for them. calling it a 'human right' is where i draw the line...give me a break...

491 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:40:30am

re: #486 Killgore Trout

Proof of fascism: Protesting leftists

Well, if Obama is pissing ANSWER off he must be doing something right.

492 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:42:11am

re: #490 Aceofwhat?

ok, that's what i thought. and Europeans like it, so good for them. calling it a 'human right' is where i draw the line...give me a break...

They pay $6 for a gallon of gas, have socialized medicine and get six weeks off work, and they have not wrecked their economy...what the heck is wrong with these folks? If we tried that in America the economy would colapse and there'd be rioting in the streets!!!

493 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:42:30am

re: #486 Killgore Trout

Proof of fascism: Protesting leftists

They are obviously confused, or the picture is a fraud. Obama is a Muslin who

494 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:42:31am

re: #469 Aceofwhat?

I want the B10 to expand eastward. It's the right way to get the revenue and exposure they need to keep up with the SEC.

Big Ten schools were content for too long to grind out 3-4 yards a carry and go to the Rose Bowl. The BCS is forcing them to modernize, but some people just don't get it. Case in point: Michigan. Rich Rod was brought in to install a cutting edge modern offense. But apparently he was supposed to do this overnight while we were sleeping. One year of awfulness and one of highs and lows, and I'm pretty sure that if he doesn't go to a bowl game this year he'll be gone.

The Big Ten needs to get on the bus if they want to compete nationally. Only Jim Tressel at Ohio State gets it (the bastard).

495 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:42:57am

re: #493 Vambo

They are obviously confused, or the picture is a fraud. Obama is a Muslin who

...luffs Palestine.

496 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:42:58am

re: #484 Aceofwhat?

I'll take "anal bum cover" for a thousand.

497 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:30am

re: #492 ralphieboy

They pay $6 for a gallon of gas, have socialized medicine and get six weeks off work, and they have not wrecked their economy...what the heck is wrong with these folks? If we tried that in America the economy would colapse and there'd be rioting in the streets!!!

They play the wrong version of football of course!

/

498 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:38am

re: #488 Cannadian Club Akbar

Norm McDonald as Burt Reynolds?

We invited (paid) Norm to do a solo standup act one year at my school.

His style is...interesting. We literally couldn't tell if he was hammered; if it were anyone else, there wouldn't have been a question, but Norm is a strange dude even when sober.

499 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:44:36am

re: #497 oaktree

They play the wrong version of football of course!

/


I can only assume that their love of soccer somehow prevents their civilization from imploding...

500 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:45:09am

re: #499 ralphieboy

I can only assume that their love of soccer somehow prevents their civilization from imploding...

Yea, no riots there..
/

501 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:45:10am

re: #498 Aceofwhat?

We invited (paid) Norm to do a solo standup act one year at my school.

His style is...interesting. We literally couldn't tell if he was hammered; if it were anyone else, there wouldn't have been a question, but Norm is a strange dude even when sober.

He was the best Weekend Update anchor ever. I actually saw his movie Dirty Work in the theater.

502 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:45:15am

re: #493 Vambo

They are obviously confused, or the picture is a fraud. Obama is a Muslin who

Obama is a who? Did Horton vote for him?

503 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:46:13am

re: #492 ralphieboy

They pay $6 for a gallon of gas, have socialized medicine and get six weeks off work, and they have not wrecked their economy...what the heck is wrong with these folks? If we tried that in America the economy would colapse and there'd be rioting in the streets!!!

They don't grow their economy much, either, and if you lose your job - good luck finding another one. The father of a friend of mine lost a good marketing job in Brussels about 15 years ago. Still doesn't have one.

504 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:47:50am

re: #498 Aceofwhat?

We invited (paid) Norm to do a solo standup act one year at my school.

His style is...interesting. We literally couldn't tell if he was hammered; if it were anyone else, there wouldn't have been a question, but Norm is a strange dude even when sober.

His bit during the Comedy Central roast of Bob Saget was priceless. I didn't get it at first, but watching it a second time, I was struck by what a funny, funny bastard that guy is.

505 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:48:05am

re: #503 Aceofwhat?

They don't grow their economy much, either, and if you lose your job - good luck finding another one. The father of a friend of mine lost a good marketing job in Brussels about 15 years ago. Still doesn't have one.


That is the flip side of their economy, yes. But America is not much of a poster child for how to run a strong economy anymore these days.

506 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:48:49am

re: #490 Aceofwhat?

ok, that's what i thought. and Europeans like it, so good for them. calling it a 'human right' is where i draw the line...give me a break...

I wouldn't mind calling health ins a "right", as long as it's treated like our (the USA's) other rights
I have the right to free assembly, but if I chooses not to go to the protest I don't get fined
I have the right to own a gun, but if I choose not too I don't get fined
I have the right of free speech, but if I choose not to answer an op ed pice, or choose not to engage in debate I don't get fined

507 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:49:16am

Speaking of Sarah Palin:

Palin Set to Take Stand in E-Mail Hacking Trial

A former college student charged with hacking Sarah Palin's e-mail account fears some jurors in heavily Republican East Tennessee could be dazzled when the conservative star testifies.

Jury selection begins Tuesday and Palin's testimony could soon follow in the case against 22-year-old David Kernell.

He was a University of Tennessee student majoring in economics when prosecutors say he hacked into the Yahoo! account Palin sometimes used for state business. At the time she was Alaska's governor and the GOP candidate for vice president.

U.S. District Judge Thomas Phillips has denied a defense motion to have prospective jurors answer a questionnaire asking if they have strong political feelings about Palin. Kernell's attorney, Wade Davies, cited Palin's speaking slot at a tea party movement convention and frequent television appearances. She is hugely popular with conservatives.

Anyone 'dazzled' by Sarah Palin should indeed be excused from jury duty, because they are too stupid to form a coherent thought.

Also, note: East Tennessee is the only part of the South that has always been Republican. It was mostly unionist during the Civil War but Confederate garrisons kept it from following West Virginia.

508 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:49:20am

re: #493 Vambo

They are obviously confused, or the picture is a fraud. Obama is a Muslin who

Well, I supposed he is slightly fabricated.

509 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:50:10am

re: #494 Girth

Big Ten schools were content for too long to grind out 3-4 yards a carry and go to the Rose Bowl. The BCS is forcing them to modernize, but some people just don't get it. Case in point: Michigan. Rich Rod was brought in to install a cutting edge modern offense. But apparently he was supposed to do this overnight while we were sleeping. One year of awfulness and one of highs and lows, and I'm pretty sure that if he doesn't go to a bowl game this year he'll be gone.

The Big Ten needs to get on the bus if they want to compete nationally. Only Jim Tressel at Ohio State gets it (the bastard).

Well...with regard to RichRod...two years of awfulness. You don't finish last in the big 10 at Michigan and get credit for a year of 'highs and lows'.

Dude wasn't supposed to let the defense become a laughingstock while installing a new offensive system. The offense can score - that's not the problem. The problem is that in the last two years, almost any other offense can score MORE.

That'll get you fired at Michigan, and well it should.

510 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:50:17am

re: #505 ralphieboy

That is the flip side of their economy, yes. But America is not much of a poster child for how to run a strong economy anymore these days.

As was true in other down periods in this country
However, the system itself promotes better chances of stronger recovery, as has happened following every other economic crises here

511 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:50:22am

re: #508 MrSilverDragon

Well, I supposed he is slightly fabricated.

Are you trying to spin or weave some kind of pun thread?

512 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:03am

re: #509 Aceofwhat?

Who the hell would they replace him with?

513 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:04am

re: #511 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are you trying to spin or weave some kind of pun thread?

Nah, I'm just needling.

514 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:52:14am

re: #505 ralphieboy

That is the flip side of their economy, yes. But America is not much of a poster child for how to run a strong economy anymore these days.

Evaluating an economy during any random 2-year span is like evaluating a stock during any random 2-day span.

I'm with Ryannon on this...different priorities have led to different styles which are preferred by different types of people. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

515 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:52:26am

re: #512 Stanley Sea

Who the hell would they replace him with?

Jon Gruden.

516 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:53:38am

re: #515 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jon Gruden.

Yeah, that wouldn't be bad.

517 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:54:16am

re: #512 Stanley Sea

Who the hell would they replace him with?

There are Jim Tressels around, coaches who get the most out of their players without racking up NCAA violations. TCU, Boise State, Central Michigan, etc...mid-level programs who overacheive in no small part due to great coaching.

518 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:54:25am

Pat Buchanan sees the Tea Parties as an ethnic nationalist movement.....
New Tribe Rising?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

“Is white the new black?”

So asks Kelefa Sanneh in the subtitle of “Beyond the Pale,” his New Yorker review of several books on white America, wherein he concludes we may be witnessing “the slow birth of a people.”

Sanneh is onto something. For after a year of battering as “un-American,” “evil-doers” and racists, and praise from talk-show hosts and Sarah Palin as “the real Americans,” Tea Party America seems to be taking on a new and separate identity.

Ethnonationalism — the recognition of an embryonic people that they are different from their neighbors, and the concomitant drive to live apart — is, as Arthur Schlesinger Jr. wrote 20 years ago, a more powerful force than any ideology, be it communism, fascism or democracy.

Ethnonationalism is the pre-eminent force of the age we have entered, the creator and destroyer of empires and nations. Even as Schlesinger was writing his “Disuniting of America,” Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union were disintegrating into 22 new nations, along the lines of ethnicity.
.....
Palin and Tea Partiers now repeat Obama’s disparaging line about their clinging to Bibles and guns — with defiant pride.

As others have done in our multicultural and multiethnic nation, this people is beginning to assert its identity, unapologetically.
...
The imputation of racism to Tea Partiers has not intimidated or cowed them.
...
Why are the Tea Partiers not intimidated the way Republicans often are? Why is the charge of racism not working?

First, they do not feel the guilt of country-club Republicans.

Second, they know it to be untrue. While Tea Partiers are anti-Obama, they are also anti-Pelosi, anti-Martha Coakley and anti-Charlie Christ. The coming conflict is not so much racial as it is cultural, political and tribal.

Black America seems united. White America is the house divided, for it is in the womb of white America that this new people is gestating and fighting to be born.

519 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:54:39am

re: #510 sattv4u2

As was true in other down periods in this country
However, the system itself promotes better chances of stronger recovery, as has happened following every other economic crises here

Let us see how America recovers from this one.

But it also has to do with the educational system here in Europe: they are good at training people to do a particular job, but the trainees are not as flexible if they have to start a new job/career.

And it has to do with their labor laws: it is hard to fire somebody. Which is good if you are already in a job, but it makes emplyers very cautious about hiring anyone for fear they wonÄt be able to get rid of them during a downturn.

520 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:27am

re: #509 Aceofwhat?

Well...with regard to RichRod...two years of awfulness. You don't finish last in the big 10 at Michigan and get credit for a year of 'highs and lows'.

Dude wasn't supposed to let the defense become a laughingstock while installing a new offensive system. The offense can score - that's not the problem. The problem is that in the last two years, almost any other offense can score MORE.

That'll get you fired at Michigan, and well it should.

True that. And now he's going to use the 3-3-5 as his base defense. Watching this defense will be interesting to say the least. I have the feeling it will either be fantastic or terrible, with no middle ground.

521 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:32am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

What a madman. What a goddamn madman.

522 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:39am

re: #504 Lidane

His bit during the Comedy Central roast of Bob Saget was priceless. I didn't get it at first, but watching it a second time, I was struck by what a funny, funny bastard that guy is.

I saw that too! I loved the whole roast, because it seemed less tongue-in-cheek than usual...Saget really is a terrible comedian.

523 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:51am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Pat Buchanan sees the Tea Parties as an ethnic nationalist movement...
New Tribe Rising?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

Of course he does.

*sigh*

524 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:57:14am

re: #515 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jon Gruden.

No way. Gruden needs to stay on TV. Have you seen him the past few days? Priceless.

525 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:58:24am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

He's such a fucking liar, too:

The coming conflict is not so much racial as it is cultural, political and tribal.

What the fuck does he think 'race' means, then? Does he think race actually exists except as a cultural, political, tribal concept?

526 caution  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:16am

@ steve

I don't think it was July. I remember being cold.
Anyway it was at the Verizon near Chinatown and it had to have been between 03-08 when I was still living there. Most likely 07-08. Whenever it was, Forbes was there, and some really old motivational speaker who repeated the same joke. It was billed as some kind of leadership thing, but it was a scam, IMHO.

527 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:27am

re: #524 Aceofwhat?

No way. Gruden needs to stay on TV. Have you seen him the past few days? Priceless.

Lou Holtz. Imagine the death threats!!

528 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:31am

re: #522 Aceofwhat?

Anyone who hasn't seen this needs to:

Jamie Foxx Destroys Doug Williams in Comedy Roast

529 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:34am

re: #522 Aceofwhat?

I saw that too! I loved the whole roast, because it seemed less tongue-in-cheek than usual...Saget really is a terrible comedian.

I'll give Saget props for his parts in two movies. Watching him deliver the joke in The Aristocrats was great, and in Half-Baked when he says he sucked dick for coke.

530 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:42am

re: #503 Aceofwhat?

They don't grow their economy much, either, and if you lose your job - good luck finding another one. The father of a friend of mine lost a good marketing job in Brussels about 15 years ago. Still doesn't have one.

Very true, that. It's become beyond bad in that respect. And the long-term prospects for improvement no better. In a word, they're out of gas, and have been for a decade or three. But like a huge ship, the accumulated momentum keeps them going. But it's slowing down and a lot of people are eying the lifeboats.

531 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:59am

re: #520 Girth

True that. And now he's going to use the 3-3-5 as his base defense. Watching this defense will be interesting to say the least. I have the feeling it will either be fantastic or terrible, with no middle ground.

Put your money on terrible. Wisconsin, PSU, Iowa and OSU come back as strong or stronger then they did last year...bad year to put in a new defense.

They had Brandon Graham last year and still weren't good...i think they'll go 6-6 and Rich is gone. Bold early season prediction, right here-

532 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:00:20am

re: #519 ralphieboy

Let us see how America recovers from this one.

That will mostly depend on what the current (and future) admins do to our tax codes and business regulations

Right now, the leaders lean for more
Right now, the mood of the people is asking for less

Theres a reason businesses and jobs and the economy shifted from the north "rust belt" areas to the south. States like mine (Georgia) are prone to give large tax breaks to businesses relocating here, figuring (correctly) that the state will make that money up on sales/property/ etc taxes of the jobs created from the relo

533 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:00:42am

re: #527 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lou Holtz. Imagine the death threats!!

The whole state would riot.

534 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:00:52am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Pat Buchanan sees the Tea Parties as an ethnic nationalist movement...
New Tribe Rising?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

Puckcannon will use any story to push his racist bile.

Gotta go. Job interview calls.

535 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:27am

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

Puckcannon will use any story to push his racist bile.

Gotta go. Job interview calls.

Luck!!

536 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:40am

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

Gotta go. Job interview calls.

Good luck, DF! Hope it turns out well.

537 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:40am

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

Puckcannon will use any story to push his racist bile.

Gotta go. Job interview calls.

Break A Leg!

538 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:49am

re: #535 Cannadian Club Akbar

Luck!!

Concur!

539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:02:16am

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

Gotta go. Job interview calls.

Take luck!

540 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:10am

re: #537 sattv4u2

Break A Leg!

Even at the Comedie-Francaise,
On the opening night they are scared
"Bon chance, mes amis", no one says
The only word you ever hear is...
Merde!

541 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:11am

re: #533 Girth

The whole state would riot.

Actually, let me rethink that...

Half of the state would riot, and the other half (MSU fans) would laugh their asses off.

542 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:19am

re: #539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Take luck!

Take luck???
Wouldn't taking a well written resume' and a nice suit/tie be more helpful!?!?!

oh ,, and maybe a fruit basket !!

543 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:40am

re: #530 ryannon

Very true, that. It's become beyond bad in that respect. And the long-term prospects for improvement no better. In a word, they're out of gas, and have been for a decade or three. But like a huge ship, the accumulated momentum keeps them going. But it's slowing down and a lot of people are eying the lifeboats.

Well said. And reasonable points like that are far too often lost amidst ridiculous cries of "Oh Noes its Socialism!!11!".

It's a great way of life for a lot of people. We should be discussing how to make it sustainable for those who prefer it, not making it out to be Teh Ruut Of All Eeevilll...

544 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04:13am

re: #528 Obdicut

Anyone who hasn't seen this needs to:

Jamie Foxx Destroys Doug Williams in Comedy Roast

heh. i promise to watch it later...i don't youtube at work.

545 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04:43am

re: #521 Obdicut

What a madman. What a goddamn madman.

That article is proudly posted on Townhall, Freerepublic, Hamanevents and Stromfront. ....and the right wonders why they are tarred with the racist label.

546 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04:47am

re: #544 Aceofwhat?

heh. i promise to watch it later...i don't youtube at work.

Why not? You don't work at work!!
//

547 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:05:00am

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

Puckcannon will use any story to push his racist bile.

Gotta go. Job interview calls.

kill it-

548 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:05:03am

re: #544 Aceofwhat?

It is one of the funniest things I've ever seen, incredibly cruel, too. Basic lesson: Don't be lame in front of Jamie Foxx, and whatever you do, don't try to out-insult him.

549 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:05:16am

re: #544 Aceofwhat?

heh. i promise to watch it later...i don't youtube at work.

Well,, there was that one time at the office Christmas party with the temp secretary!!

//

550 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:05:43am

re: #544 Aceofwhat?

You're working? (guilt trip!)

551 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:30am

re: #546 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why not? You don't work at work!!
//

sad but true. this sales manager spot i took is weird. passive monitoring interrupted by flurries of activity. it's not exactly what i thought it would be.

552 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:09am

re: #514 Aceofwhat?

Evaluating an economy during any random 2-year span is like evaluating a stock during any random 2-day span.

I'm with Ryannon on this...different priorities have led to different styles which are preferred by different types of people. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Actually, you're both right.

553 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:13am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Pat Buchanan sees the Tea Parties as an ethnic nationalist movement...
New Tribe Rising?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

Puke-cannon: "White is the new black"
"Anti-Semite is the new Jew"

554 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:14am

I love those Comedy Central roasts! I haven't seen a bad one yet.

555 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:56am

File this under "unreasonable expectations"

Pattern Fail??

Youtube Video
556 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:08:55am

fuck pat buchanan

557 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:09:37am

re: #553 Alouette

Puke-cannon: "White is the new black"
"Anti-Semite is the new Jew"

It's important for people like Buchanan to encourage the victim mentality among whites Christians. Unfortunately, the environment is fertile for that sort of thing.

558 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:10:09am

re: #553 Alouette

Puke-cannon: "White is the new black"
"Anti-Semite is the new Jew"

Not defending him, but Buchanan didn't write that pharse.

“Is white the new black?”

So asks Kelefa Sanneh in the subtitle of “Beyond the Pale,” his New Yorker review of several books on white America, wherein he concludes we may be witnessing “the slow birth of a people.”

559 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:10:47am

re: #543 Aceofwhat?

Well said. And reasonable points like that are far too often lost amidst ridiculous cries of "Oh Noes its Socialism!!11!".

It's a great way of life for a lot of people. We should be discussing how to make it sustainable for those who prefer it, not making it out to be Teh Ruut Of All Eeevilll...


We just don't want to believe that it can work, sort of like how a bumblebee should not be able to fly according to our laws of aerodynamics.

But face it, if they tried to impose American social and economic standards here, there'd be rioting in the streets and the economy would collapse.

If America tried to implement European economic and social spproaches, the economy would collapse and there'd be rioting in the streets.

560 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:12:09am

bbiab. Gotta shower. Sophia!!!!

561 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:12:50am

re: #560 Cannadian Club Akbar

bbiab. Gotta shower. Sophia!!!

{SIGH}

562 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:14:01am

re: #560 Cannadian Club Akbar

bbiab. Gotta shower. Sophia!!!

yikes

563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:14:09am

re: #561 sattv4u2

Did he mean Sofia?

564 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:16:40am

re: #560 Cannadian Club Akbar

bbiab. Gotta shower. Sophia!!!

Loren?

565 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:18:19am

re: #563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did he mean Sofia?

yes

re: #564 Mad Al-Jaffee

Loren?

no

[Link: www.google.com...]

566 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:18:28am

re: #559 ralphieboy

We just don't want to believe that it can work, sort of like how a bumblebee should not be able to fly according to our laws of aerodynamics.

But face it, if they tried to impose American social and economic standards here, there'd be rioting in the streets and the economy would collapse.

If America tried to implement European economic and social spproaches, the economy would collapse and there'd be rioting in the streets.

well, sure, because you're implementing something that a majority of the folks don't really want in either case. there's nothing wrong with having a preference.

567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:18:30am

re: #564 Mad Al-Jaffee

Nope.

568 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:20:03am

SOMEONE CALL 911

Mad Al Jaffee is breathing very heavily!!
//

569 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:22:08am

re: #451 lawhawk

All I asked of Darth was that he protect a frakkin' exhaust port 2 meters wide. And his asthmatic ass couldn't do that with a couple of star destroyers, fleet of TIE fighters, and thousands of troops? That he ended up flying around for a couple of weeks in his damaged TIE fighter smelling like leathery burnt bacon serves him right. /Emperor "Papa" Palpatine

That's a different Darth...and no relation, by the way.

570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:22:17am

re: #528 Obdicut

I just hate the "N" word so much. Had to stop it.

571 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:22:55am

re: #565 sattv4u2

Very nice, but in her time Sophia Loren was much better. Classic beauty.

572 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:23:01am

re: #567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope.


I see your NOPE and raise you a Image: sofia_vergara_1.jpg

573 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:23:05am

Sofia on the sofa.

574 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:23:05am

And furthermore:

Race relations: Better in U.S.

Can-do attitude: Better in U.S.

Possibility to start a new life from scratch: Way better in U.S.

Inventiveness, creativity, new technologies: U.S., hands-down.

Culture (fine arts, film, theater, etc.) America. Yes, no kidding.

Gastronomy (food): I see people preparing great and often quite sophisticated meals for themselves, friends and family on LGF all the time. I don't know if it's a representative sampling, but you people have nothing to be ashamed of concerning Continental cuisine.

Cars: Just no contest.

Sex: Never had it as good back in Chicago, NYC and Los Angeles as here. Sorry guys, but there's just something about European women. Everything you've heard is true - in the best possible sense of the word.

575 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:23:06am

It's a running joke people!!!

576 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:23:38am

re: #570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah, sorry, I should have marked it as not work safe-- but comedy roasts are by definition not work safe.

Apologies-- no intention to offend or annoy.

577 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:23:38am

re: #570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just hate the "N" word so much. Had to stop it.

I can't listen to it either.
That is not a word that was allowed in our home, while I was growing up, and it isn't allowed in my home now. I can't stand the sound of it.

578 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:24:26am

re: #559 ralphieboy

We just don't want to believe that it can work, sort of like how a bumblebee should not be able to fly according to our laws of aerodynamics.

That's a factoid. (Also mentioned on Wikipedia). It's origin stretches back into the 1930's.

579 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:24:53am

I'm not opening any more of the photos you guys are posting. But I know what name I'm going to search on when I get home.

580 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:25:55am

re: #579 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm not opening any more of the photos you guys are posting. But I know what name I'm going to search on when I get home.

She has a roll in the comedy Modern Family

great show,, great cast

581 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:26:18am

re: #567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope.

She does have an attractive posterior.

582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:27:12am

re: #576 Obdicut

Oh, no worries... I'm sure it's funny.

I think I also ran, because Doug "I'm going to didneywhorl" was about to get his ass handed to him... he appears to be a complete dumb-ass.

America's black community needs to put that word behind them, and maybe it will just become a terrible memory.

If I didn't hear it again before I die? Not a bad fate for a terrible word.

583 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:27:25am

re: #567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope.

...oh, I do have a problem with her legs though...they just go right up and make a perfect ass of themselves.

584 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:27:44am

re: #580 sattv4u2

She has a roll in the comedy Modern Family

great show,, great cast

Okay, I've seen her on that show (only watched it once, but I'll start watching it more.) That Al Bundy sure is a lucky guy.

585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:28:45am

re: #581 darthstar

She does have an attractive posterior.

Her preterior ain't to shabby neither.

She is sexier at 40 than she was at 20.

I just love looking at women over 35.

586 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:29:29am

FDA to limit salt in food manufacturing

C'mon, quite being such a conspiracy monger. The government is not going to try and regulate salt, that's just one legislator in New York and it'll never pass.

Oops...

587 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:30:06am

re: #581 darthstar

She does have an attractive posterior.

The balcont ain't too bad either

and those eyes ,,, those EYES!
Image: sofia_vergara_1207056280.jpg

588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:30:36am

re: #580 sattv4u2

She has a roll in the comedy Modern Family

great show,, great cast

The gay son is actually gay.

The much "gayer" partner is actually straight.

589 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:30:39am

re: #587 sattv4u2

The balcont ain't too bad either

and those eyes ,,, those EYES!
Image: sofia_vergara_1207056280.jpg

She has eyes?
/

590 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:30:44am

re: #587 sattv4u2

The balcont balconY ain't too bad either

and those eyes ,,, those EYES!
Image: sofia_vergara_1207056280.jpg


damn ,, that woman!!

591 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:30:47am

Who is this Sophie Viagra you speak of?

592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:31:22am

re: #587 sattv4u2

Ten pounds of potatoes in an eight pound sack.

593 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:31:51am

re: #591 ryannon

Who is this Sophie Viagra you speak of?

not needed with her, imho!

594 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:32:35am

re: #585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Her preterior ain't to shabby neither.

She is sexier at 40 than she was at 20.

I just love looking at women over 35.

Reminds me of that Roddy McDowell song.

Youtube Video
595 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:32:45am

re: #582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree. My black friends are a house divided in that regard-- half of them think it brings them down, half of them think that it serves some sort of function or use.

My Jewish friends and I do occasionally use Jewish slurs with each other, but only in moments of high satire, never in any sort of casual use-- and absolutely never to insult each other. That's an important difference, I think.

I think I also ran, because Doug "I'm going to didneywhorl" was about to get his ass handed to him... he appears to be a complete dumb-ass.

Oh he is, and he was absolutely destroyed-- in a very, very fucking funny way.

596 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:32:50am

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ten pounds of potatoes in an eight pound sack.

1st time in my life I would VOLUNTEER to peel potatoes

597 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:33:08am

re: #594 darthstar

Oops...Ronnie McDowell, not Roddie.

598 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:33:53am

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ten pounds of potatoes in an eight pound sack.


To my jaded eyes, it's ten pounds of silicone and a few more of make-up.

(ducks & covers)

599 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:33:56am

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ten pounds of potatoes in an eight pound sack.

Sofia in the sack?

600 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:34:37am

re: #503 Aceofwhat?

They don't grow their economy much, either, and if you lose your job - good luck finding another one. The father of a friend of mine lost a good marketing job in Brussels about 15 years ago. Still doesn't have one.

Just picking this post in this particular exchange, I have to say that it's always amusing to see people who know so much detail about the intricacies about US political life make such horrible generalizations of all of Europe.

At least it's a step up from the frothing at the mouth comments I read when I first joined this site.. :/

601 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:35:19am

Just had to chew out one brother for letting his GF move in to my parents house without consulting others. Fuckin' idiot.

602 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:35:45am

re: #600 cenotaphium

Just picking this post in this particular exchange, I have to say that it's always amusing to see people who know so much detail about the intricacies about US political life make such horrible generalizations of all of Europe.

At least it's a step up from the frothing at the mouth comments I read when I first joined this site.. :/

He's right. It's just as he says.

603 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:36:34am

re: #601 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just had to chew out one brother for letting his GF move in to my parents house without consulting others. Fuckin' idiot.

That begs so many questions, I don't even know where to begin..

604 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:36:36am

re: #598 ryannon

Me thinking she's real. Me thinking I'd love to find out.

Me thinking she's the prettiest woman on the planet. (wife of the fat one excluded, of course)

Me likey. Me likey a lot.

605 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:37:29am

re: #600 cenotaphium

Just picking this post in this particular exchange, I have to say that it's always amusing to see people who know so much detail about the intricacies about US political life make such horrible generalizations of all of Europe.
At least it's a step up from the frothing at the mouth comments I read when I first joined this site.. :/


Instead of a general statement like that, please explain where Ace was wrong in the "generalizations" he enumerated in any of his posts about this

606 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:37:53am

re: #503 Aceofwhat?

Many of the European economies have greater opportunities for advancement and economic mobility than the US. One of the main reasons for this is the huge number of people who's economic output we ruin through our incredibly high rate of imprisonment.

I'm not sure what you mean by them not growing their economy in Europe-- can you explain?

607 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:38:06am

re: #602 ryannon

Sorry, meaning Aceofwhat's? post concerning employment trends over here.

608 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:39:28am

re: #600 cenotaphium

Just picking this post in this particular exchange, I have to say that it's always amusing to see people who know so much detail about the intricacies about US political life make such horrible generalizations of all of Europe.

At least it's a step up from the frothing at the mouth comments I read when I first joined this site.. :/

Was i making horrible generalizations of all of Europe? I did not intend to.

609 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:39:35am

re: #586 cliffster

And it continues to ignore the real reason that we've got an obesity problem in the country - and it isn't because we aren't taxing the bejeebus out of soda and carbonated beverages, limiting salt intake, or shuttering fast food joints.

It's because people lead a sedentary (sedimentary) lifestyle - choosing to live life on their couch rather than getting out and about by walking, running, exercising, playing, etc.

Worrying about the salt intake, just like the soda taxes, is a nanny state solution to a symptom of a problem that can't be combated by government. It requires people to get off their collective asses and start doing more than just watching tv with their free time.

610 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:40:24am

re: #606 Obdicut

Many of the European economies have greater opportunities for advancement and economic mobility than the US. One of the main reasons for this is the huge number of people who's economic output we ruin through our incredibly high rate of imprisonment.

I'm not sure what you mean by them not growing their economy in Europe-- can you explain?

No way. It just ain't true. It's bad, and it's getting worse.

611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:41:05am

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ten pounds of potatoes in an eight pound sack.

Dolly Parton made that joke on an awards show when her dress ripped at the boobies. She wore someone's coat as she accepted the award and said, "That's what you get when you try to put ten pounds of potatoes in a five pound sack."

If I am not mistaken, it was the same awards where Ronnie Milsap took forever to get on stage, quipped, "Sorry I'm so late. It's really dark backstage."

612 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:41:11am

Vote for Wayne Allyn Root in 2012 if you want the country to be run by someone with common sense!

[Link: www.rootforamerica.com...]

613 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:41:49am

re: #609 lawhawk

Shhh, you can't say "nanny state". People will think you're one of those people

614 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:41:50am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Pat Buchanan sees the Tea Parties as an ethnic nationalist movement...
New Tribe Rising?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

"Ethnic nationalist"... then white the new black? In other words spreading the false meme that white people have it bad in America and they need white nationalism. Why don't people just get this for what it is? This is not satire.

Not that Buchanan ever hid that he was a nazi, but one could hope that transparency this blatant would catch anyone's eye. His neo-nazi supporters certainly get the message. The rest of America should get it clearly enough to run that POS out of American politics on a rail. Yet this asshole is still a pundit.

615 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:42:27am

re: #612 pharmmajor

Vote for Wayne Allyn Root in 2012 if you want the country to be run by someone with common sense!

[Link: www.rootforamerica.com...]

Is Will Rogers still alive?

616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:42:31am

re: #609 lawhawk

Well... I got off my ass yesterday and hurt my back.

I hope you're satisfied.

617 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:42:44am

re: #610 ryannon

No way. It just ain't true. It's bad, and it's getting worse.

I am totally convinced.

Wait, no I'm not.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

US social mobility has been shrinking for decades now. It is one of the biggest problems facing our economy.

618 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:42:46am

Anyone seen the "Impeach Obama" campaign that's sweeping the country? (Yawn.) It's what all the cool kids are into. Don't you want to be cool?

[Link: www.impeachobamacampaign.com...]

619 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:42:52am

re: #614 LudwigVanQuixote

Maybe he should just go back to Europe.

620 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:43:34am

Interesting, the header on each of the posts seems to have shifted slightly to the right for new entries. Anyone else seeing this?

621 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:43:39am

re: #609 lawhawk

And it continues to ignore the real reason that we've got an obesity problem in the country - and it isn't because we aren't taxing the bejeebus out of soda and carbonated beverages, limiting salt intake, or shuttering fast food joints.

It's because people lead a sedentary (sedimentary) lifestyle - choosing to live life on their couch rather than getting out and about by walking, running, exercising, playing, etc.

Worrying about the salt intake, just like the soda taxes, is a nanny state solution to a symptom of a problem that can't be combated by government. It requires people to get off their collective asses and start doing more than just watching tv with their free time.

Salt intake is not related to obesity. Reduction of salt intake is by far the most efficient way to decrease hypertension, which is associated with but does not necessarily correlate with obesity. Furthermore, reduction of sodium (not just salt) will go a heck of a long way towards reducing medical costs overall, which I think everyone can agree on as being a Good Thing.

If reduction of sodium can be done in a simple, effective way by a couple of regulations that frankly won't affect anyone's quality of life at all, I don't see it as a bad thing.

622 yoshicastmaster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:44:03am

re: #485 Lidane

that's actually a brilliant idea there- a palin/ obama debate drinking game!

palin critisizes liberal media- drink once
palin cant name a publication she reads- one shot
palin looks at her hand for inspiration- CHUG! CHUG! CHUG!

man, I'd so play that. Bet there could be some good rules for obama too....

:-D

623 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:44:25am

re: #612 pharmmajor

Root's political columns appear in the Las Vegas Review Journal[4] and at Newsmax.com.[5] He is a Senior Economic Advisor to Wealth Masters International, a global financial services and education company based in Houston, Texas.


If he's so sane, why does he publish crap at that pit?

624 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:44:56am

re: #620 MrSilverDragon

Interesting, the header on each of the posts seems to have shifted slightly to the right for new entries. Anyone else seeing this?

I am ,,,until I click an upding on someone, then it shifts back to the column

625 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:44:59am

re: #602 ryannon

He's right. It's just as he says.


re: #605 sattv4u2

Instead of a general statement like that, please explain where Ace was wrong in the "generalizations" he enumerated in any of his posts about this

Wow. Okay. Taking just the job situation, the variance in unemployment between the Scandinavian countries alone:

Sweden 8.0%
Norway 3.3%
Denmark 4.2%
Finland 8.5%

Based simply on the Wiki page. You feel the consequences in practice as well, with some migrant workforce. So the "good luck getting a new job" bit is stupid, on its face, since the situation will vary significantly depending on what country you're in. As will most everything.

Even trying to pin down the average EU situation isn't talking about "Europe". That's just annoying. It's like if I was talking about "the US", and then mixed stats between Canada, Mexico and the USA.

626 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:45:07am

re: #621 Renaissance_Man

Salt intake is not related to obesity. Reduction of salt intake is by far the most efficient way to decrease hypertension, which is associated with but does not necessarily correlate with obesity. Furthermore, reduction of sodium (not just salt) will go a heck of a long way towards reducing medical costs overall, which I think everyone can agree on as being a Good Thing.

If reduction of sodium can be done in a simple, effective way by a couple of regulations that frankly won't affect anyone's quality of life at all, I don't see it as a bad thing.

It also won't stop people from salting their food at the table.

627 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:45:10am

re: #621 Renaissance_Man

Salt intake is not related to obesity. Reduction of salt intake is by far the most efficient way to decrease hypertension, which is associated with but does not necessarily correlate with obesity. Furthermore, reduction of sodium (not just salt) will go a heck of a long way towards reducing medical costs overall, which I think everyone can agree on as being a Good Thing.

If reduction of sodium can be done in a simple, effective way by a couple of regulations that frankly won't affect anyone's quality of life at all, I don't see it as a bad thing.

You are completely missing the point.

It's
not
their
place

628 Yukon Digger  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:45:19am

Manitoba town invites Palin to explore roots

629 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:45:37am

re: #553 Alouette

Puke-cannon: "White is the new black"
"Anti-Semite is the new Jew"

Yeah the irony of it is enough to make you queesy.

I have no patience for nazi scum.

This is one of the reasons that I am so completely furious at the tea bagger scum who worship McVeigh and take their views of the world straight out of the Turner Diaries.

It is the same damned thing. Why isn't it all obvious?

630 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:45:49am

re: #615 ryannon

Is Will Rogers still alive?

I wish he were.

631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:46:15am

re: #626 Cannadian Club Akbar

I rarely add salt to anything.

632 Tardis  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:46:25am

re: #513 MrSilverDragon

Nah, I'm just needling.

It may be time to cut it out.

633 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:47:07am

re: #606 Obdicut

Many of the European economies have greater opportunities for advancement and economic mobility than the US. One of the main reasons for this is the huge number of people who's economic output we ruin through our incredibly high rate of imprisonment.

I'm not sure what you mean by them not growing their economy in Europe-- can you explain?

I'm with you in a qualified sense on imprisonment. Hopefully by now you know how much i dislike our petty drug laws.

Not growing AS MUCH as ours...over a realistic time span (25 years or something to that equivalent), unemployment is lower and GDP growth is higher in the US.

OTOH, and of course this varies by country (that was for you, Centoph), the safety net is much more robust in Europe for those who are unemployed. So there's that.

Anecdotal evidence...you see students rioting in the US because they can't get real jobs? Nope.

634 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:47:25am

re: #626 Cannadian Club Akbar

It also won't stop people from salting their food at the table.

It doesn't have to. Putting fluoride in drinking water doesn't stop people from going and drinking anything but tap water to avoid getting fluoridated. But people will, as a whole, take paths of least resistance, and thus fluoridating drinking water makes a huge difference in dental care and costs.

635 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:47:47am

re: #617 Obdicut

I am totally convinced.

Wait, no I'm not.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

US social mobility has been shrinking for decades now. It is one of the biggest problems facing our economy.

Raise you with this, posted a week or so ago on LGF during a discussion of the VAT. I don't have the references, but I'm going to look and will post back:

"Isaac Asimov's view [shared by many professionals] that history isn't as much contingent as people think, but that instead much of what happens happens because of underlying forces that will give the same result if the same thing is tried in an essentially similar society, suggests that if we here institute a VAT, we'll arrive at a society like Europe has now, one in which unemployment is structurally higher even in good times than it now is in our bad time, a society in which there is little innovation and fewer entrepreneurs.

Today, the U.S. is so far ahead of Europe that West Virginia (our poorest state) has a higher per capita GDP than, say, France. That lead has to evaporate if all the inputs to the model are matched to European conditions."

636 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:47:58am

re: #609 lawhawk

And it continues to ignore the real reason that we've got an obesity problem in the country - and it isn't because we aren't taxing the bejeebus out of soda and carbonated beverages, limiting salt intake, or shuttering fast food joints.

It's because people lead a sedentary (sedimentary) lifestyle - choosing to live life on their couch rather than getting out and about by walking, running, exercising, playing, etc.

Worrying about the salt intake, just like the soda taxes, is a nanny state solution to a symptom of a problem that can't be combated by government. It requires people to get off their collective asses and start doing more than just watching tv with their free time.

and it's not even good science. sodium intake is only bad for a percentage of the population.

637 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:47:59am

re: #619 cliffster

Maybe he should just go back to Europe.

You have an interesting point there. He does fit in well at Vlaams Belang

638 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:47:59am

re: #631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I rarely add salt to anything.

I don't either, but it's not the gubments place to regulate food.

639 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:48:50am

re: #622 yoshicastmaster

How about:

bam critisizes Bush - drink once
bam cant name sections of a bill he signs into law - one shot
bam looks at the teleprompter for inspiration - CHUG! CHUG! CHUG!

What do you think?

640 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:48:53am

re: #608 Aceofwhat?

Was i making horrible generalizations of all of Europe? I did not intend to.

The point wasn't actually to hang you out to dry, just to highlight a curious glossing over detail that happens pretty frequently on this forum on the topic of Europe - at least from my perspective actually living in Europe.

Like I said, I prefer the glossing over detail to outright hostility. ;)

641 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:49:40am

What's the deal with having the police search your house without a warrant? If you don't have anything to hide, then what are you worried about?

642 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:50:38am

re: #625 cenotaphium

Wow. Okay. Taking just the job situation, the variance in unemployment between the Scandinavian countries alone:

Sweden 8.0%
Norway 3.3%
Denmark 4.2%
Finland 8.5%

Based simply on the Wiki page. You feel the consequences in practice as well, with some migrant workforce. So the "good luck getting a new job" bit is stupid, on its face, since the situation will vary significantly depending on what country you're in. As will most everything.

Even trying to pin down the average EU situation isn't talking about "Europe". That's just annoying. It's like if I was talking about "the US", and then mixed stats between Canada, Mexico and the USA.

The wingnuts here don't like it when you oppress them with facts that way.

643 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:51:20am

re: #625 cenotaphium

Wow. Okay. Taking just the job situation, the variance in unemployment between the Scandinavian countries alone:

Sweden 8.0%
Norway 3.3%
Denmark 4.2%
Finland 8.5%

Based simply on the Wiki page. You feel the consequences in practice as well, with some migrant workforce. So the "good luck getting a new job" bit is stupid, on its face, since the situation will vary significantly depending on what country you're in. As will most everything.

Even trying to pin down the average EU situation isn't talking about "Europe". That's just annoying. It's like if I was talking about "the US", and then mixed stats between Canada, Mexico and the USA.

Of course you're right, and especially concerning the Scandinavian countries. But the rest - meaning most of the EU is a rather homogeneous mess in terms of employment.

644 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:52:04am

re: #625 cenotaphium

Wow. Okay. Taking just the job situation, the variance in unemployment between the Scandinavian countries alone:

Sweden 8.0%
Norway 3.3%
Denmark 4.2%
Finland 8.5%

employment rates are not a very good indicator, imho
Too many factors involved.SUCH AS ,, population. An ideal place to live (by your chart) is Malaysia (3.5%). What do you think the GDP is there? The average salary? Working conditions? Living conditions?

645 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:52:45am

re: #641 cliffster

What's the deal with having the police search your house without a warrant? If you don't have anything to hide, then what are you worried about?

Thank you Mr. McCarthy. How about you think for half a minute about the check and balance that Judicial oversight adds to it?

Why is it that winguts are always ready to give up personal freedoms for imagined security and then justify it with some blind obedience to authority, yet turn around and can't trust the government to help with healthcare?

646 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:53:16am

re: #638 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't either, but it's not the gubments place to regulate food.

Not even in the case of something like fluoridating drinking water, where a small and unnoticeable change makes a huge difference in public health? What about regulations that provide penalties for unsafe levels of E. coli and toxins in food?

647 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:53:31am

re: #617 Obdicut

I am totally convinced.

Wait, no I'm not.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

US social mobility has been shrinking for decades now. It is one of the biggest problems facing our economy.

that graph is typical of the general inability of the Times to consider more than one variable at a time.

for example

"high income mobility would result in the grandchildren of both a poor and a rich person making relatively similar incomes"

bullshit. high income mobility results in people being able, over time, to earn money relatively equivalent to their ability+effort. intelligence is a highly inherited trait...if grandpa was happy to work on the assembly line and i'm happy to follow in his footsteps, i won't be very mobile. and yet that has nothing to do with whether the economy affords me the opportunity if i had wanted it.

You're far better off looking at how well the children of new immigrants perform, in situations where they did their best to achieve a certain goal.

648 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:53:46am

re: #644 sattv4u2

Wow. Okay. Taking just the job situation, the variance in unemployment between the Scandinavian countries alone:

Sweden 8.0%
Norway 3.3%
Denmark 4.2%
Finland 8.5%

employment rates are not a very good indicator, imho
Too many factors involved.SUCH AS ,, population. An ideal place to live (by your chart) is Malaysia (3.5%). What do you think the GDP is there? The average salary? Working conditions? Living conditions?

You don't think the employment rates are a good indicator of how difficult it is to get a new job? ..I'm confused.

You're moving the goalposts to a new question, let's just start by acknowledging that?

649 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:54:14am

re: #640 cenotaphium

Would it be possible to know where in the EU you live?

650 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:54:22am

re: #621 Renaissance_Man

The sedentary lifestyle we've developed - combined with overeating plays a strong role in hypertension. While limiting salt intake is often used to combat hypertension, aggressive maintenance of sodium in the diet isn't the panacea you might think.

They've tried something similar in the UK, and the results are somewhat surprising. Despite efforts to limit salt in prepared foods, actual salt intake was pretty constant over the study periods.

I'll stick to my food and beverage in moderation... as always.. words to live by :)

651 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:54:39am

re: #646 Renaissance_Man

Not even in the case of something like fluoridating drinking water, where a small and unnoticeable change makes a huge difference in public health? What about regulations that provide penalties for unsafe levels of E. coli and toxins in food?

E. Coli and toxins aren't ingredients.

652 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:54:59am

re: #649 ryannon

Would it be possible to know where in the EU you live?

Sweden. I thought I'd mentioned it earlier. Sorry.

653 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:55:30am

re: #645 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you Mr. McCarthy. How about you think for half a minute about the check and balance that Judicial oversight adds to it?

Why is it that winguts are always ready to give up personal freedoms for imagined security and then justify it with some blind obedience to authority, yet turn around and can't trust the government to help with healthcare?

There's a reason why the constitution has always been cited as something more than just a good document - most people are too stupid to understand the reason for most of the stuff in it. So it was elevated to almost sacrosanct status and used as the de facto truth. Worked well so far.

654 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:55:31am

re: #621 Renaissance_Man

Salt intake is not related to obesity. Reduction of salt intake is by far the most efficient way to decrease hypertension, which is associated with but does not necessarily correlate with obesity. Furthermore, reduction of sodium (not just salt) will go a heck of a long way towards reducing medical costs overall, which I think everyone can agree on as being a Good Thing.

If reduction of sodium can be done in a simple, effective way by a couple of regulations that frankly won't affect anyone's quality of life at all, I don't see it as a bad thing.

i have a better idea. how about everyone with hypertension reduces their salt intake, and leaves my food the hell alone. how does that sound?

655 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:56:01am

work calls.

656 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:56:10am

re: #633 Aceofwhat?

Not growing AS MUCH as ours...over a realistic time span (25 years or something to that equivalent), unemployment is lower and GDP growth is higher in the US.

That may or may not be true-- I'd love to see any figures you have proving that. However, my point is that economic mobility is higher in many countries in Europe than it is in the US, and that should deeply, deeply trouble anyone who loves the American Dream.

In addition, you're comparing all of the EU-- which includes some very poor countries who have economies still recovering from Soviet rule-- to the US.

657 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:56:14am

re: #646 Renaissance_Man

Not even in the case of something like fluoridating drinking water, where a small and unnoticeable change makes a huge difference in public health? What about regulations that provide penalties for unsafe levels of E. coli and toxins in food?

fluoridation! aaahhh!

658 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:59:10am

re: #647 Aceofwhat?

that graph is typical of the general inability of the Times to consider more than one variable at a time.

for example

"high income mobility would result in the grandchildren of both a poor and a rich person making relatively similar incomes"

bullshit. high income mobility results in people being able, over time, to earn money relatively equivalent to their ability+effort.

I'm sorry, but you can't simply call 'bullshit' on a metric. I don't think you understand why you're using that metric, since the one you want to replace it with has absolutely nothing to do with what they're measuring.

The question they're asking is "How important is the economic condition of the parent/grandparent to the economic success of the child/grandchild?"

And the answer is that in the US, it is harder to change from the economic conditions that you were born into than in Europe, and that is a problem we are facing. It is not in the least bit a surprising development, since we're a highly capitalist economy and capitalist economies reward the owners of capital.

If you feel, furthermore, that the US would score better on that metric that you would like, can you find data to support that?

659 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:59:18am

re: #652 cenotaphium

Sweden. I thought I'd mentioned it earlier. Sorry.

Scandinavia (along with Switzerland) is atypical: you've got a very good life-style going for you along with a very intelligent mixture of free-enterprise and government regulations favoring the health and well-being of the population.

660 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:00:03am

re: #656 Obdicut

That may or may not be true-- I'd love to see any figures you have proving that. However, my point is that economic mobility is higher in many countries in Europe than it is in the US, and that should deeply, deeply trouble anyone who loves the American Dream.

In addition, you're comparing all of the EU-- which includes some very poor countries who have economies still recovering from Soviet rule-- to the US.

here, this one compares the richer EU nations too.

[Link: www.timbro.se...]

661 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:00:11am

re: #659 ryannon

So a large amount of Europe is atypical of Europe?

662 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:00:59am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Pat Buchanan sees the Tea Parties as an ethnic nationalist movement...
New Tribe Rising?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

BLACK AMERICA IS UNITED, EVERYONE HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Seriously, the most that this old cracker has ever seen of "Black America" is the Tyler Perry sitcom hour on TBS.

663 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:01:07am

re: #648 cenotaphium

You don't think the employment rates are a good indicator of how difficult it is to get a new job? ..I'm confused.

You're moving the goalposts to a new question, let's just start by acknowledging that?

Lets start by acknowledging that people still come to the USA from otehr countries to go to schools here and get jobs here adding to our ranks of unemployed (and UNDERemployed)

ALSO, what of the illegals working here for less than what the market would bear. Those workers (by and large) are not counted as 'employed" because they are not reported as workers, AND, the legals that would normally have those jobs ARE listed as unemployedDo the Scandanavian countries you listed have a large contigent of illegal workers flowing across their border that I'm unaware of ?!?!?

664 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:01:12am

re: #618 Sigma_x

Anyone seen the "Impeach Obama" campaign that's sweeping the country? (Yawn.) It's what all the cool kids are into. Don't you want to be cool?

[Link: www.impeachobamacampaign.com...]

Its an astroturf campaign started by the people who used to make the "Impeach Bush" bumper stickers. They want their market share back. //

665 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:01:56am

re: #656 Obdicut

That may or may not be true-- I'd love to see any figures you have proving that. However, my point is that economic mobility is higher in many countries in Europe than it is in the US, and that should deeply, deeply trouble anyone who loves the American Dream.

In addition, you're comparing all of the EU-- which includes some very poor countries who have economies still recovering from Soviet rule-- to the US.

"Economic mobility" in France means that if you're young - and especially a second or third generation North African - you get the hell out and go to the UK.

666 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:03:29am

re: #665 ryannon

"Economic mobility" in France means that if you're young - and especially a second or third generation North African - you get the hell out and go to the UK.


Unfortunately they can't leave because they have burned all of their cars. /

667 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:03:38am

re: #658 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but you can't simply call 'bullshit' on a metric. I don't think you understand why you're using that metric, since the one you want to replace it with has absolutely nothing to do with what they're measuring.

The question they're asking is "How important is the economic condition of the parent/grandparent to the economic success of the child/grandchild?"

And the answer is that in the US, it is harder to change from the economic conditions that you were born into than in Europe, and that is a problem we are facing. It is not in the least bit a surprising development, since we're a highly capitalist economy and capitalist economies reward the owners of capital.

If you feel, furthermore, that the US would score better on that metric that you would like, can you find data to support that?

Ah, would that i could answer all of your questions so easily!

Bathe in the luxurious, soft feel of real data parsed by non-reporters...give in...it feels so good;)

(i kid, i kid)

668 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:03:39am

re: #660 Aceofwhat?

Um, do you speak Swedish?

669 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:03:52am

A great photo of NYC at night.

670 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:04:00am

re: #668 Obdicut

Um, do you speak Swedish?

ya

671 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:04:09am

re: #667 Aceofwhat?

Ah, would that i could answer all of your questions so easily!

Bathe in the luxurious, soft feel of real data parsed by non-reporters...give in...it feels so good;)

(i kid, i kid)

Ha! it would help if i actually included the link...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

672 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:04:36am

re: #668 Obdicut

Um, do you speak Swedish?

Whoops. I thought that was the english version. Hang on.

673 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:04:53am

re: #661 Obdicut

So a large amount of Europe is atypical of Europe?

Four (Scandinavian) countries out of how many?

Anyway, you're right. It's the Workers' Paradise over here. That's why we get so many immigrants desirous of starting a new life.

/

674 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:04:57am

re: #669 lawhawk

A great photo of NYC at night.


Nice. Where is Air Force One?

675 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:05:09am

I would love for Sarah Palin to go Monticello and read what Jefferson said about religion. I don't understand people like her who feel the need to have their religious faith affirmed by the government. I'm kinda spiritual person in that I pray, wear a medallion of St. Patrick on my neck, and etc. My faith is a private one and I wish people like Palin would realize that not everyone shares their vision of God.

676 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:05:51am

re: #666 DaddyG

Unfortunately they can't leave because they have burned all of their cars. /

But not the trains. Yet.

677 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:06:51am

re: #676 ryannon

But not the trains. Yet.


Those are full of English trying to get to any airport south of Paris. /

678 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:07:26am

re: #674 DaddyG

Nice. Where is Air Force One?

Trying to land on a golf course

679 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:08:04am

re: #668 Obdicut

Ah, never mind, found the English language link.
re: #671 Aceofwhat?

Ha! it would help if i actually included the link...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]


I'm sorry, Ace, but that article is very, very short on proof. It refers to the census, but doesn't include any data. Do you have the actual report?

680 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:08:44am

re: #670 cliffster

ya

cool...

681 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:09:13am

re: #668 Obdicut

Eh... he's just pining for the fjords..

682 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:09:35am

re: #5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

But remember boys and girls, its just those scary liberals who keep trying to rewrite the Constitution. We're just making the corrections which we are pretty darn tootin sure the Founding Fathers really wanted. Don't believe us? But we're waving the American flag a whole lot, dontcha know?

Molly Ivins, in a sarcastic mood, once referred to Originalists as people who believe they can read the minds of people who've been dead for two hundred years.

"Obviously, they will use this power only for good," she added.

683 cliffster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:10:08am

re: #680 Aceofwhat?

cool...

I don't, really, I can only say, "ya". Pero hablo español...

684 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:10:12am

re: #679 Obdicut

Ah, never mind, found the English language link.
re: #671 Aceofwhat?

I'm sorry, Ace, but that article is very, very short on proof. It refers to the census, but doesn't include any data. Do you have the actual report?

No. Arthur Laffer is not making it up. That you can take on faith. Disagree with his theorems if you want, but if the dude says he got something from the Census, i'm not going to fact-check it. At some point, an academician's resume has to count for something.

685 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:10:34am

re: #618 Sigma_x

I'm peach Obama? Is that some sort of new special dessert recipe?

//

686 yoshicastmaster  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:10:46am

re: #639 michael78244

1st- bam = obama? ooo i like that.

next... are there teleprompters in debates? i feel that one will not work.

also... do politicians remember all sections of all laws they sign? is it reasonable to expect that? do supreme ct justices remember all their cases? does the pope hide pedophiles in rome? I'm just not familiar enough with this to say it's worthwhile.

but criticizes bush or says he inherited the state of the nation from bush.... DRINK!!!

687 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:10:58am

re: #669 lawhawk

A great photo of NYC at night.

A great photo of Stockholm by night

688 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:11:20am

re: #659 ryannon

Scandinavia (along with Switzerland) is atypical: you've got a very good life-style going for you along with a very intelligent mixture of free-enterprise and government regulations favoring the health and well-being of the population.

That's a pretty significant "bump" there, when you add our countries into one basket. And again, from an inside perspective, you need to squeeze a bit to make all four Scandinavian countries fit into the same description. We, of course, see major differences in everything.
Granted, there are a lot of obvious similarities, especially when contrasted with the mainland. But when you add Switzerland into the mix also.. it's a bit much to swallow as simply being "atypical", and that the rest of Europe belongs in another category (the "failed socialism experiment" group, or whatever).

Maybe that's not what you meant?

689 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:11:45am

re: #672 Aceofwhat?

Whoops. I thought that was the english version. Hang on.

No, I found it.

However, Ace, that article shows very little difference between the GDP growth in European countries and the US. I am not denying in the least that the US is great at growing GDP, but if we're great, than Europe is pretty damn good, according to that article. Germany even outperforms the US for a few decades by that measurement.

In addition, that article was written by someone who clearly comes from the more laissez-faire end of the spectrum, so his conclusions are pretty unremarkable.

690 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:12:13am

re: #684 Aceofwhat?

No. Arthur Laffer is not making it up. That you can take on faith. Disagree with his theorems if you want, but if the dude says he got something from the Census, i'm not going to fact-check it. At some point, an academician's resume has to count for something.

Okay. So you'll accept the word of Frum, too, then?

691 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:13:13am

re: #618 Sigma_x

Anyone seen the "Impeach Obama" campaign that's sweeping the country? (Yawn.) It's what all the cool kids are into. Don't you want to be cool?

[Link: www.impeachobamacampaign.com...]

I'm not sure why I actually went there, but I had to see what their reasoning was for impeachment. Needless to say, I'm blown away:

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution reads: “The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

The key phrase here is "high crimes and misdemeanors,” a concept in English Common Law that was well-known to our Founding Fathers but is grossly misunderstood in this day and age.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" essentially means bad behavior....

...It could be easily argued that we have a duty to impeach Barack Hussein Obama.

:rolleyes:

692 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:13:35am

re: #681 lawhawk

Eh... he's just pining for the fjords..

Actually, I'd love to have a fjord in my future....

Image: geiranger-fjord-l.jpg

693 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:14:14am

re: #682 SanFranciscoZionist

Molly Ivins, in a sarcastic mood, once referred to Originalists as people who believe they can read the minds of people who've been dead for two hundred years.

"Obviously, they will use this power only for good," she added.

Molly is funny, and i thought she was always in a sarcastic mood?

OTOH, she said of Reagan something like 'ignorance is not a barrier to being President'.

Which, after the disaster which was the Carter administration, feels more partisan than clearheaded...just sayin'!

694 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:15:11am

re: #691 ShaunP

:rolleyes:

bad behavior? just make him stay after class and write "I will not disrespect the Constitution" 100 times on the blackboard. /

695 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:15:27am

re: #687 ryannon

A great photo of Stockholm by night

An interesting picture in DC, by day.

696 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:15:33am

re: #688 cenotaphium

That's a pretty significant "bump" there, when you add our countries into one basket. And again, from an inside perspective, you need to squeeze a bit to make all four Scandinavian countries fit into the same description. We, of course, see major differences in everything.
Granted, there are a lot of obvious similarities, especially when contrasted with the mainland. But when you add Switzerland into the mix also.. it's a bit much to swallow as simply being "atypical", and that the rest of Europe belongs in another category (the "failed socialism experiment" group, or whatever).

Maybe that's not what you meant?

No, not at all. Just failed, period. 'Socialism' has nothing to do with it.

697 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:16:04am

re: #682 SanFranciscoZionist

Molly Ivins, in a sarcastic mood, once referred to Originalists as people who believe they can read the minds of people who've been dead for two hundred years.

"Obviously, they will use this power only for good," she added.

That's remarkably similar to how I see orginalists. I think they mean well enough but I think saving a Bill and Ted time machine (man that would be the shit) we have no way of understanding what the founders exactly thought.

698 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:16:25am

re: #44 Ulysses

Quoth the Palin:


I suppose it's no coincidence that the person who coined the phrase "separation of church and state" (Thomas Jefferson) was left out of the social science text books in Texas. If Palin and the fundamentalists find that history doesn't fit their reality, they rewrite history.

What are they planning to do about Madison? He was even worse.

699 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:17:10am

re: #690 Obdicut

Okay. So you'll accept the word of Frum, too, then?

i'm happy to fact-check lawyers, editors, journalists...etc.

academics...eh. if i doubt the word of an academic, i'll go check it myself. i won't ask you to do it for me.

700 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:17:22am

Hell, I don't even know what we're discussing anymore.

701 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:18:17am

re: #47 Ulysses

Bingo!

This is the the point all theocrats keep forgetting. The principle of separation of church and state is not to remove religion from national life, but to protect each individuals right to practice his or her own chosen faith (or not practice any faith). The theocrats always assume their denomination will be on top, but, as you point out, this is just a recipe for sectarian war.

And the Founders were of a generation that knew exactly how well that had worked out for Europe.

702 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:18:23am

re: #695 Mad Al-Jaffee

An interesting picture in DC, by day.

Is that WUB's sister?

703 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:18:58am

re: #698 SanFranciscoZionist

What are they planning to do about Madison? He was even worse.

Or Tom Paine whose pamphlet got a lot of common people on the side of the revolution. What I really wish people would admit is that the founders were not some monolithic group. They had really diverse views and backgrounds.

704 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:20:07am

re: #689 Obdicut

No, I found it.

However, Ace, that article shows very little difference between the GDP growth in European countries and the US. I am not denying in the least that the US is great at growing GDP, but if we're great, than Europe is pretty damn good, according to that article. Germany even outperforms the US for a few decades by that measurement.

In addition, that article was written by someone who clearly comes from the more laissez-faire end of the spectrum, so his conclusions are pretty unremarkable.

no question. i wasn't going to link you a hyperventilating paper.

it's certainly not this enormous gap that many on the far right gasp about. it's enough to be a point in the discussion, and for many Europeans, it's worth the benefits they receive in return.

as i said upthread...it's a worthy choice. they need to make sure that they keep it sustainable, and we have the same problem on our end with social security, medicare, etc.

there are benefits and advantages to both economic models, all of which need to be assessed over the long term as well as the short term.

705 Jaerik  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:20:24am

Never understood the "prayer shield" thing. Or Bush's constant "we're praying for _____" reaction to anything bad that happened.

Can someone explain the prayer concept to me? If God is all-knowing, infallible, and has a master plan that we can never comprehend or understand, why does praying help? Hasn't he already made up his mind? Why do the number of prayer matter? Does God run the universe on American Idol rules?

706 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:20:51am

re: #702 ryannon

Is that WUB's sister?

Who?

707 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:20:55am

re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist

And the Founders were of a generation that knew exactly how well that had worked out for Europe.

Couldn't agree more. As a Christian, i'm petrified of a Christian government.

Just sayin'...

708 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:21:19am

The notion that the Founding Fathers were Christian in the sense of Born Again Christians™ is a false one. They were diests in many cases and Christian in their background, but even the American Christian movement has undergone some serious changes since our founding fathers time.

They were all for virtuous leaders but they left the definition of what beliefs should be in the private sphere.

Throughout our history we have struggled to accept new religious groups but to our credit they have all found homes in the American tapestry.

709 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:21:40am

re: #705 Jaerik

Never understood the "prayer shield" thing. Or Bush's constant "we're praying for ___" reaction to anything bad that happened.

Can someone explain the prayer concept to me? If God is all-knowing, infallible, and has a master plan that we can never comprehend or understand, why does praying help? Hasn't he already made up his mind? Why do the number of prayer matter? Does God run the universe on American Idol rules?

I think it's just a way to make people stop thinking and mindlessly repeat religious doctrine.

710 Olsonist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:21:45am

re: #682 SanFranciscoZionist

I got into an argument with an Originalist once; perhaps it was on this very blog. I brought in some countering evidence from the The Federalist Papers as quoted from an SC opinion. My opponent chastened me, saying that The Federalist Papers weren't a part of the Constitution.

711 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:22:38am

re: #91 freetoken

Aren't the Annunaki the fairy folk who live in the hills in Cherokee folklore?

712 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:22:41am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

The underlying article Buchanan references is a brillliant piece with way to many good points to underline:

Beyond the Pale
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]


The organizers of the Tea Party rallies have made a point of inviting African-American conservatives to address the crowds. But there’s no denying that the Tea Party protesters tend to be white. Should we pretend to be surprised? Judging from exit polls, black voters made up about 1.1 per cent of the McCain electorate, which is lower than the historical average, but not by much. (In 1984, when President Reagan was reëlected in a landslide, black voters accounted for only about 1.5 per cent of his total.) American politics has been segregated for decades; the election of a black President only made that segregation more obvious.

But what of it? Why is it that, from Christian Lander to Jon Stewart, a diagnosis of whiteness is often delivered, and received, as a kind of accusation? The answer is that the diagnosis is often accompanied by an implicit or explicit charge of racism. It’s become customary to suppose that a measure of discrimination is built into whiteness itself, a racial category that has often functioned as a purely negative designation: to be white in America is to be not nonwhite, which is why it was possible, in 1961, for a white woman from Kansas living in Hawaii to give birth to a black baby.
................
The success of the civil-rights movement had the paradoxical effect of strengthening this pernicious tradition by making white pride taboo; white politicians had to rely on increasingly subtle forms of coded speech. Roediger is impressed and disturbed by President Reagan’s appeal to working-class white voters, which stemmed, he says, from a “sure command of divisive code words such as ‘state’s rights,’ ‘welfare moms,’ ‘quotas,’ and ‘reverse racism.’ ”

The problem with a fixation on “code words” is that you can start to see them everywhere. At one point, Roediger analyzes the politics of America in the nineteen-seventies through the prism of “such racial ‘code words’ as crime, busing, welfare, and taxes.” Taxes! Is there any hotly debated political topic that couldn’t be considered, in some context, a code word? (Glenn Beck recently argued that “social justice” and “economic justice” are “Marxist code words”; it would be hard to prove that they aren’t or never have been.) And is there any way for a white politician to criticize a black President in front of a disproportionately white audience and be certain that he or she isn’t, however inadvertently, appealing to a sense of racial solidarity?

There are 2, you'll have to read the rest for yourselves.

713 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:23:28am

re: #699 Aceofwhat?

i'm happy to fact-check lawyers, editors, journalists...etc.

academics...eh. if i doubt the word of an academic, i'll go check it myself. i won't ask you to do it for me.

Okay. I will continue to ask that, if you provide an article that cites data, to see the methodology and actual data that they used.

714 CarleeCork  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:25:18am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

A guy I worked with years ago would make a pipe out of a carrot. No shit.


And what exactly did he smoke in that carrot??

715 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:25:19am

re: #705 Jaerik

Never understood the "prayer shield" thing. Or Bush's constant "we're praying for ___" reaction to anything bad that happened.

Can someone explain the prayer concept to me? If God is all-knowing, infallible, and has a master plan that we can never comprehend or understand, why does praying help? Hasn't he already made up his mind? Why do the number of prayer matter? Does God run the universe on American Idol rules?

sure. should a kid call their parents when they get into trouble? of course. now, the parent might let them suffer some or most of the consequences in order to teach them a lesson.

there's something humbling about calling out to help, whether to a friend or parent or to God. we are not supposed to feel endowed with His blessings...we are supposed to ask for it like good kids.

i know that my parents will love me if i don't contact them. but i contact them both because i love them and to show appreciation for what they've done for me.

716 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:25:31am

re: #656 Obdicut

This appears to support what you've said:

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

717 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:25:39am

re: #704 Aceofwhat?

But Ace, how can you say they don't grow their economy much and then provide a paper showing that they grow their economy in a way that's quite close the US's performance, and in some cases outperforming it?

718 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:25:55am

re: #709 Vambo

I think it's just a way to make people stop thinking and mindlessly repeat religious doctrine.

really? that's all the intellectual effort you've put forth into the question?

719 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:27:06am

re: #716 ryannon

This appears to support what you've said:

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Yes, thank you. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

If we continue down this road, we will see a new Great Depression, independent of bank behavior.

It should be a concern to everyone who want the US to survive as a pre-eminent economic power.

Now, how to go about addressing it-- that's a whole 'nother ball game. But it's important to first acknowledge the problem.

720 Vambo  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:27:14am

re: #718 Aceofwhat?

really? that's all the intellectual effort you've put forth into the question?

I could've prayed to have God help me answer the question, which would take even less effort.

721 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:30:22am

re: #706 Mad Al-Jaffee

Who?

Is that a who? or what did you just say about my friend WindUpBird's sister?

722 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:31:07am

re: #717 Obdicut

But Ace, how can you say they don't grow their economy much and then provide a paper showing that they grow their economy in a way that's quite close the US's performance, and in some cases outperforming it?

because it was a rather offhand statement. more precise would be that the E15 grows their economy on average 1%-1.5% less than the US while maintaining, on average, higher unemployment rates.

we both have chickens coming home to roost soon. E15 countries will face a larger mounting public sector/entitlements reckoning, but we have more debt in addition to our own entitlements bear.

723 cenotaphium  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:31:19am

re: #689 Obdicut

However, Ace, that article shows very little difference between the GDP growth in European countries and the US. I am not denying in the least that the US is great at growing GDP, but if we're great, than Europe is pretty damn good, according to that article. Germany even outperforms the US for a few decades by that measurement.

This is similar to what I've read earlier. Speaking in broad strokes, we trade some economic competitiveness for the social security net and infrastructure investments. As does the US (!), although to a lesser extent (thus maintaining the relatively high economic performance). However, the impact on the economy seems to be much less than the anti-government (not in the militia sense, the.. libertarian sense?) proponents suggest.

There are some caveats to this. Primarily I'd question the interaction of markets. Is the "more free, but less secure" market of the US positively influencing European economies? Then there's the question of the success of individual European markets and how they balance out on the scale. Some success is not due to governance, but rather natural resources. (Norway has an incredible economy compared to the other Scandinavian countries, based mostly on their oil resources, for instance). Other successes are likely due to good decisions. Germany has had a major solar power investment through subsidies to individual purchasers, who then redistribute remaining power back to the grid, for instance. Light hand influencing the free market, or evil government manipulation?

It's hard trying to pin down any practical advice from such a huge set of variables.

There's no pointed political statement here, just trying to relay my thoughts on the magnitude of the issues.

724 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:32:03am

re: #713 Obdicut

Okay. I will continue to ask that, if you provide an article that cites data, to see the methodology and actual data that they used.

what methodology? the census bit was a simple statistic.

725 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:32:58am

re: #720 Vambo

I could've prayed to have God help me answer the question, which would take even less effort.

no sweat. i promise to take your opinion on the subject as seriously as you take it!

726 Jaerik  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:33:34am

re: #715 Aceofwhat?

should a kid call their parents when they get into trouble? of course.

Of course they should. But if the parent is the all-knowing lord of creation who, by nature of being the supreme authority, was directly responsible for that trouble in the first place under some master plan, does the kid really need to? And would doing so potentially alter the course of events, like Palin seems to be implying?

727 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:33:40am

re: #722 Aceofwhat?

That make a lot more sense. However, GDP growth is also independent-- for awhile-- of economic mobility. The problem I am talking about in the US is the shrinking of the middle class, the accumulation of wealth in a small percentage of the population, and the corresponding problems with our domestic market that comes with that.

We are going to face a very, very large crisis in terms of our workforce if we don't address the problem.

728 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:34:08am

re: #723 cenotaphium

This is similar to what I've read earlier. Speaking in broad strokes, we trade some economic competitiveness for the social security net and infrastructure investments. As does the US (!), although to a lesser extent (thus maintaining the relatively high economic performance). However, the impact on the economy seems to be much less than the anti-government (not in the militia sense, the.. libertarian sense?) proponents suggest.

i agree

729 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:35:40am

theocratic alaskan psychopath says thing

730 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:37:15am

re: #726 Jaerik

Of course they should. But if the parent is the all-knowing lord of creation who, by nature of being the supreme authority, was directly responsible for that trouble in the first place under some master plan, does the kid really need to? And would doing so potentially alter the course of events, like Palin seems to be implying?

Ah, i see where you're going. Bolded sentence.

Let's say my son is going to sleep over at a friend's house. Let's say that I KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt (who cares how...i overheard something...not the point) that they intend to sneak out at night and that they'll get caught because my buddy the policeman in that neighborhood is on duty that night.

If i let my son get 'arrested' in the hopes that he gets scared straight, am i directly responsible for the trouble in the first place?

Of course not. You're confusing foreknowledge with responsibility.

731 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:38:25am

re: #727 Obdicut

That make a lot more sense. However, GDP growth is also independent-- for awhile-- of economic mobility. The problem I am talking about in the US is the shrinking of the middle class, the accumulation of wealth in a small percentage of the population, and the corresponding problems with our domestic market that comes with that.

We are going to face a very, very large crisis in terms of our workforce if we don't address the problem.

Ok. I think that our debt load + entitlement burden is going to be a bigger crisis in the next 20 years, but this is a case where i hope to be wrong...

732 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:39:18am

re: #724 Aceofwhat?

what methodology? the census bit was a simple statistic.

Very few statistics are simple. That article, for example, makes heavy use of stuff like the increase in income from various groups that had been excluded from the workforce and higher-paying jobs historically; subclaves that show positive growth because they're actually being allowed to work jobs they haven't in the past.

The article also focuses on income, not wealth. It also does the tired-ass thing of talking about income-tax liability as though it's the only form of taxation.

It is not a very impressive article, to me, and it would be far more impressive if it showed the data and methodology used. All it would take is references to what tables are being drawn from in the Census. Rebuilding that on my own is a rather large task-- which is why academics include those references in papers.

I respect academics when they publish academic papers. I do not respect their op-eds in the same fashion.

733 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:40:24am

re: #684 Aceofwhat?

No. Arthur Laffer is not making it up. That you can take on faith. Disagree with his theorems if you want, but if the dude says he got something from the Census, i'm not going to fact-check it. At some point, an academician's resume has to count for something.

Oh please:

When all sources of income are included -- wages, salaries, realized capital gains, dividends, business income and government benefits -- and taxes paid are deducted, households in the lowest income quintile saw a roughly 25% increase in their living standards from 1983 to 2005. (See chart nearby; the data is from the Congressional Budget Office's "Comprehensive Household Income.") This fact alone refutes the notion that the poor are getting poorer. They are not.

Did you even notice that Laffer conveniently omitted the change in the Consumer Price Index in the 22 years of this sample? I don't care who pulls this kind of bullshit half truth stunt to make an ideological point, it still stinks. The reason that the number of people paying no tax has increased by 73% in that same time period is because they now have no money left to tax.

734 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:42:32am

re: #731 Aceofwhat?

Well, if we don't do shit about AGW, and I'm more pessimistic about that every day-- that's going to devastate the world economy anyway.

Yay.

735 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:44:14am

re: #733 goddamnedfrank

Did you even notice that Laffer conveniently omitted the change in the Consumer Price Index in the 22 years of this sample? I don't care who pulls this kind of bullshit half truth stunt to make an ideological point, it still stinks. The reason that the number of people paying no tax has increased by 73% in that same time period is because they now have no money left to tax.

Oh please...the next two paragraphs...stop reading the NYT. This is the big leagues.

Looking at the last two business cycles (first year of recovery to first year of recovery), this low-income group experienced a 10% rise in their inflation-adjusted after-tax incomes from 1983 to 1992 and then another 11% rise from 1992 to 2002). Roughly speaking, the Reagan and Clinton presidencies were equally good for them. Income gains over the last 30 years have been systematically understated due to several factors. These include:

- Fall in people per household. The gains in household income undercount the actual gains per person, because the average number of people living in low-income households has been shrinking. On a per capita basis, the real income gain for low-income households was 44% from 1983 to 2005, about 22% from 1983 to 1992 and about 18% from 1992 to 2002. These are excellent numbers by any measure.

get hooked on phonics before you get so bent out of shape.

736 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:44:53am

re: #734 Obdicut

Well, if we don't do shit about AGW, and I'm more pessimistic about that every day-- that's going to devastate the world economy anyway.

Yay.

yep. i'm with you there.

737 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:47:02am

re: #735 Aceofwhat?

That doesn't actually answer his challenge at all, Ace. He's not speaking about inflation.

738 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:48:48am

re: #737 Obdicut

That doesn't actually answer his challenge at all, Ace. He's not speaking about inflation.

CPI is the most common measure of inflation. What do you think he's talking about? Corporate Purchasing Index?

739 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:50:32am

re: #574 ryannon

And furthermore:

Race relations: Better in U.S.

Can-do attitude: Better in U.S.

Possibility to start a new life from scratch: Way better in U.S.

Inventiveness, creativity, new technologies: U.S., hands-down.

Culture (fine arts, film, theater, etc.) America. Yes, no kidding.

Gastronomy (food): I see people preparing great and often quite sophisticated meals for themselves, friends and family on LGF all the time. I don't know if it's a representative sampling, but you people have nothing to be ashamed of concerning Continental cuisine.

Cars: Just no contest.

Sex: Never had it as good back in Chicago, NYC and Los Angeles as here. Sorry guys, but there's just something about European women. Everything you've heard is true - in the best possible sense of the word.

One other major contrast I ran across: we lived in downtown Frankfurt. It was a bit of a seedy neighborhood with a relatively high crime rate, but we did not fear for our lives coming home late at night, there were few cases of people getting mugged or shot in the streets.

And at least subjectively, I feel that European standards of beauty, self-image and personall success and well-being are not as overhyped and unrealistic as what they peddle in America.

There are a lot of things I miss about America, but my family is here, so I will be sticking around and sticking it out for the near future.

740 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:54:01am

re: #737 Obdicut

That doesn't actually answer his challenge at all, Ace. He's not speaking about inflation.

In order to calculate the percent of inflation or deflation we have to use the Consumer Price Index as a starting point.

So let's calculate inflation, say from July 2000 until July 2008.

You need to know the CPI for the starting and ending dates. So the CPI index in July 2000 is 172.8 and the CPI index is 219.964 in July 2008.

The formula is: (end -start)/start

so we have (219.964-172.8)/172.8 =

47.164/172.8= .2729

Inflation from 7/00 - 7/08 = 27.29%

The answer to his question was one paragraph further. "Bullshit half-truth stunt" my white ass...

741 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:55:31am

re: #740 Aceofwhat?


He's talking about the way the CPI was changed. You know it was changed, right?

742 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:56:29am

re: #741 Obdicut

He's talking about the way the CPI was changed. You know it was changed, right?

you mean the change in 2009, long after the data cited in this little article?

743 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:01:47am

re: #742 Aceofwhat?

No, I mean the change during the Clinton years.

744 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:15:23am

re: #743 Obdicut

No, I mean the change during the Clinton years.

Oh, right, the Boskin commission. Sorry. Duh.

Yeah, that felt a little...inventive...but it shaved 1%. The effect on the perception of the deficit and programs like social security was far larger than what you'd see on an inflation-adjusted income study, especially when the increase Laffer reports doesn't take into account the people whose income grew so much that they left the lowest tier.

The opportunity to improve one's income is a tangled question. My quick and dirty opinion is that more opportunities exist to move from poor to middle and from middle to upper-middle than pessimists believe, and it's harder to move into the 'rich' category than the optimists believe.

that's just my state of mind after years of curiosity on the subject...

745 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:16:20am

gotta run. might actually have to do real work for a bit. i don't know about this position...

746 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:18:35am

re: #743 Obdicut

In real world time, in my area, I started to notice the decline about 1996. The slightly poor looking areas became even more sparse and run down. The already bad ghetto areas, forget about it.
We've been down so low, maybe with all the additional Obama administration spending, we can improve our communities.
I've seen the Stimulus $s at work locally.

747 Nautilus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:46:25am

Hey, you guys, look what I just digged (or drilled? xD) up at "PalinDrome", Palin's blog (funny if she knew what palindrome actually means).

Her husband Todd is live-blogging on her speach in St. Louis:
"9:30 - OK, got a little lost there. I think that energy independence is going to prevent people from going bankrupt? I never claimed to be as smart as Sarah, she is definitely the brains in the family. Sometimes I cant really follow what shes saying, its at such a high level I hardly understand a word."

Here's the link:
Your text to link...

748 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:58:10am

PalinDome - two intellects enter... none of them leave.

749 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:10:21pm

re: #418 oaktree

Automatic downding for use of the word "sheeple".

William

750 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:16:43pm

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

I worked with a girl who sued the company I worked with for sexual harassment. She was right to. The guy who did it was a rat bastard. But about a month into the whole thing, she added 2 more manager names, saying they also harassed her. My name was one of them. My area director interviewed all the waitresses I worked with. They all backed me on the fact that I wasn't a rat bastard.

That's how it went with Clarence Thomas. One accuser, umpteen other women who testified that he was a perfect gentleman.

The creeps aren't that selective. They creep out all their targets, and you get to be a target by virtue of being of the target sex and somewhere in the target age range.

The informal work network knows who they are. And who they aren't.

751 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:53:43pm

re: #181 caution

@ Comment 9 - Cato
"Sarah Palin is coming to Baltimore in early May, for a "motivational seminar" at the 1st Mariner Bank Arena (where they otherwise serve up crappy shows like indoor motocross)."

In case it hasn't been posted yet, "Danger Will Robinson. Danger."

I got suckered into going to that "event" a few years ago with my office. Forbes (at the time) was the only draw for me, but now I dislike him for saying (repeatedly) "The fundamentals of the economy are solid." That was about two years ago, and we know what was going on behind the scenes in 07/08.

Anyway, that event is cover for two things #1 they try to get everyone in there to buy a trading software package that supposedly gets you in and out of deals on the swings #2 fundamental christianity

It's very cult-like and the shysters behind it (a sickening couple) get the crowd in a "Yes. Yes. YES!" frenzy then close the sale on this trading software.

Needless to say, I left early and stood outside, in DC, in the cold rather than listen.

That's very interesting. Why am I not surprised that Sarah is on board with this?

752 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:00:20pm

re: #49 ralphieboy

And most people agre that humankind can be improved, just not perfected.

I don't.

Individual people can improve themselves, and some can reach a state of near-perfection.

Humanity remains what it always was: a slumbering beast.

753 maxiton  Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:19:52am

Better God than to be leftist


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