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This love note comes from an admirer of Sarah Palin, who searched Google for LGF (using a web connection at New Jersey’s Science & Technology University), read my post about Palin’s theocratic daydreams, then used our contact form (with a fake return address) to let me know exactly how he feels about people like me who believe in the separation of church and state.

You are trying to make fun of Palin, but you are the fucking idiot. Nowhere is “separation of church and state” stated in any the United States founding documents, but God is mentioned. You are just a dumbass athiest lefty faggot, and if you disagree with me you should move to cuba.

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1 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:38:35pm

Woo hoo!
If Its Meg Ryan!!

2 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:39:57pm

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Oh who am I kidding, facts bounce off of these people like bullets off of Superman....

3 Locker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:40:04pm

That... was hilarious... No way that person is over 13 years old.

4 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:40:55pm

You're moving to Cuba? Cool! Send cigars!

I was hoping you'd start posting the idiotic mail you receive. Thanks for this. "Athiest Lefty Faggot" sounds like a good name for a band...you should start one with your buddies and post a video on YouTube...just for grins and giggles.

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:40:56pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Oh who am I kidding, facts bounce off of these people like bullets off of Superman...

Shit man you beat me to it. Gotta love how he says move to Cuba.

6 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:41:17pm

The person who wrote this has clearly never read the Constitution or any other documents drafted by the Founding Fathers. If he did, he'd realize how stupid he sounds.

7 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:41:37pm

That letter is more proof that No Child Left Behind doesn't work. =P

8 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:43:15pm
"You are just a dumbass athiest lefty faggot, and if you disagree with me you should move to cuba."

She must have you confused with Senator Graham, no?

9 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:43:43pm

I love how "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" has turned into "if you disagree with me you should move to cuba."

10 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:44:33pm

Palin's fans are not the cream of the crop.

See Senator Lee of California's receipt of the most racist fax ever imaginable.

11 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:45:52pm

OMFG! Rachel just played a clip of McCain on Fox saying that illegals were "in cars intentionally causing accidents on the freeway." She then asked, "You know what freeway that is? No. Neither do I."

12 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:45:53pm
and if you disagree with me you should move to cuba.

Here's somebody who missed the point about freedom of speech, something that is mentioned word for word in the Constitution.

It must be invigorating to have laughably ignorant fools for foes. To be fair, NJ does have Universities that stand taller than his.

13 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:19pm

re: #4 darthstar

You're moving to Cuba? Cool! Send cigars!

I was hoping you'd start posting the idiotic mail you receive. Thanks for this. "Athiest Lefty Faggot" sounds like a good name for a band...you should start one with your buddies and post a video on YouTube...just for grins and giggles.

Not as good as Lesbian Bondage Fandango.

14 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:32pm

"If you don't agree with me, please move to a country with which we have virtually no diplomatic relations as any logical refutation would shake the foundation of my pathetic worldview and detonate my cerebrum."

15 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:46pm

re: #9 Girth

I love how "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" has turned into "if you disagree with me you should move to cuba."

That mental midget who wrote that piece of hate mail would just dismiss Voltaire as "Furriner Tranzi".

16 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:46:49pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

Palin's fans are not the cream of the crop.

See Senator Lee of California's receipt of the most racist fax ever imaginable.

I posted a link to that earlier...it was pretty bad...and apparently the fax included a picture of a pickup-truck dragging a noose behind it.

17 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:47:03pm

Hey nit-wit, I know you're reading so I'll provide the relevant bits of the Constitution for you.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...

You probably also think that Jefferson was a Christian.

18 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:47:48pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Hey nit-wit, I know you're reading so I'll provide the relevant bits of the Constitution for you.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...

You probably also think that Jefferson was a Christian.

Responding for nit-wit: "thereof? What kind of word is that?"

19 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:47:49pm
Nowhere is “separation of church and state” stated in any the United States founding documents

yeh, iz agree ... i red threw alls th Fedeeralist Papeers and I dids find nuttin bout it neether!

/asshole

/a drive by post -- now *going to watch a British war movie*

20 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:48:01pm

Invest in beachfront property in Cuba. When they open up it's going to be fantastic.

21 Summer Seale  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:48:18pm

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

We really, really, really have to pound this FIRST LINE into people's head. It's not just about the second part about freedom of religion. It's about the FIRST part as well. Somehow, they are unable to read this concept in plain English, or any other language that I know of so far.

22 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:48:41pm

re: #16 darthstar

I found a pdf of the fax itself. The baddest of bad in my mind. I posted it here, but reported it to stinky I felt so bad. Don't know if it's still there.

23 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:48:45pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Hey nit-wit, I know you're reading so I'll provide the relevant bits of the Constitution for you.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...

You probably also think that Jefferson was a Christian.

He was, he was just a Christian who took a red pen and proceeded to cross out the parts of the Bible that he didn't like.

At least that's a story my dad told me...

24 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:48:59pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat

Not as good as Lesbian Bondage Fandango.

Lesbian Bondage Fiasco. Fandango works too, however.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:49:03pm
You are trying to make fun of Palin, but you are the fucking idiot. Nowhere is “separation of church and state” stated in any the United States founding documents, but God is mentioned. You are just a dumbass athiest lefty faggot, and if you disagree with me you should move to cuba.

No dude, you're a dumbass, and so is the Pop-Idol dunce you worship.

And if you can not comprehend the secular foundation of the USA, I suggest you take your un-American, theocracy lovin' ass on over to Saudi Arabia.

Fuck you.

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:49:27pm

Hell you gotta think that the founders would be among the strongest opponents of establishing official religions. After all they weren't far removed from generations of European wars fought over religion. I find it pathetic that this dude has to resort to calling Charles a lefty faggot who should move to Cuba. It's so pathetic that it's satiric but the sad part is that there are many people who do think like this.

27 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:49:55pm

Take two...

Athiest? [sic]

God is only mentioned in the Declaration of Independence but with a modifier of "Nature's God." That would imply a deity or a generic vision of a god of nature. More specifically it is also contrasted with science with "Laws of Nature":

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

God is not present in the US Constitution.

28 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:50:51pm

re: #16 darthstar

I posted a link to that earlier...it was pretty bad...and apparently the fax included a picture of a pickup-truck dragging a noose behind it.

Whoever sent that should be prosecuted for sending a death threat.

29 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:51:05pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

I found a pdf of the fax itself. The baddest of bad in my mind. I posted it here, but reported it to stinky I felt so bad. Don't know if it's still there.

Yep...your link is still up. Definitely something that needs to be shown to people.

30 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:51:23pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Also, the Declaration of Independence is neither law or statute. It's a declaration to the British.

31 Aye Pod  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:51:24pm
This love note comes from an admirer of Sarah Palin, who searched Google for LGF (using a web connection at New Jersey’s Science & Technology University),

Isn't that in Newark? It's affiliated with the Museum of Science and Trucking? I seem to recall Tony Soprano is on the Board of Trustees.

32 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:51:38pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Take two...

Athiest? [sic]

God is only mentioned in the Declaration of Independence but with a modifier of "Nature's God." That would imply a deity or a generic vision of a god of nature. More specifically it is also contrasted with science with "Laws of Nature":

God is not present in the US Constitution.

As I recall another story goes like this

First draft= "We hold these truths to be God given...."

Final draft = "We hold these truths to be self evident...."

33 Aye Pod  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:52:57pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Take two...

Athiest? [sic]

Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the athiest atheist of them all?

34 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:52:59pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Hey nit-wit, I know you're reading so I'll provide the relevant bits of the Constitution for you.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...

You probably also think that Jefferson was a Christian.

He was Jewish?

35 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:53:35pm

I can see him as he wrote it.

36 drool  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:54:08pm

Figures that it's a Palin fan....just as ignorant.

37 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:54:26pm

re: #18 darthstar

Responding for nit-wit: "thereof? What kind of word is that?"

Nit-wit, go to Merriam-Webster's site.

38 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:55:38pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

He was, he was just a Christian who took a red pen and proceeded to cross out the parts of the Bible that he didn't like.

At least that's a story my dad told me...

Reminds me of a joke about a little old lady who took a razor to the bits of the Bible she didn't like.

39 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:55:41pm

Did Rodan or Snork write that? Maybe it was the possum?

Nah here is how it would be written by them:

If the Rodent:

You are trying to make fun of Palin, but you are the fucking idiot. Nowhere is “separation of church and state” stated in any the United States founding documents, but God is mentioned and if you disagree with my precious Latin Blood I will find you! YOU ARE MARKED! My Columbian uncle will hurt you. You hate all Latins, who were your natural conquerers NAZI. You are lucky I am drinking tonight or I would find you myself!

If Snork:

You are trying to make fun of Palin, but you are the hilarious! Nowhere is “separation of church and state” stated in any the United States founding documents. It's as much bullshit as looking for that trace amount of carbon in the atmosphere. So what are you going to outlaw breathing along with God now? faggot, and if you disagree with me, you should move to Sanfansisco!

If TFK:

You are trying to make fun of Palin, but you are Just like Kerry. Nowhere is “separation of church and state” stated in any the United States founding documents, but Kerry and the democrats want to take out God. You are just a commie and if you disagree with me you should move to cuba. Tick Tock.

If Bunk x:

All hail my master snork. Well Palin is better than that lame Cato or Ludwank! he heh!

If Rix:

Palin is so much better than you or that lame Cato but you are the fucking idiot. Nowhere is “separation of church and state” stated in any the United States founding documents, but God is mentioned. This is so obvious to anyone who has any education. You shouldn't be allowed withing 2000 ft f a blog you pony tail wearer!

If former Corpsman:

You are trying to make fun of Palin, I am so angry that my breasts are itching.

40 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:55:51pm

re: #37 MandyManners

Nit-wit, go to Merriam-Webster's site.

What kind of commie parent names their kid Merriam?
/

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:56:13pm

re: #30 Gus 802

Also, the Declaration of Independence is neither law or statute. It's a declaration to the British.

It's basically a really old-school "slam book".

42 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:56:26pm

re: #34 ryannon

He was Jewish?

IIRC, Deist.

43 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:56:44pm

re: #34 ryannon

He was Jewish?

He was a seekrit Muslin! He even had a Koran!
//

44 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:56:53pm

re: #40 darthstar

What kind of commie parent names their kid Merriam?
/

The kind who came over on the Mayflower.

45 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:57:06pm

Evening lizards!

Looks like the Devils may go down tonight.

(Sigh)

46 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:57:11pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Hey nit-wit, I know you're reading so I'll provide the relevant bits of the Constitution for you.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...

You probably also think that Jefferson was a Christian.

Good on you Mandy.

47 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:57:27pm

re: #40 darthstar

What kind of commie parent names their kid Merriam?
/

The kind that make their kids watch Dora?

48 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:57:52pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards!

Looks like the Devils may go down tonight.

(Sigh)

To Georgia?

49 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:57:55pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards!

Looks like the Devils may go down tonight.

(Sigh)

Well, it's a good thing they suck.
/

50 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:58:10pm

re: #46 LudwigVanQuixote

Good on you Mandy.

Thank you.

51 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:58:28pm

re: #50 MandyManners

Thank you.

You are welcome.

52 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:58:34pm

re: #49 darthstar

Well, it's a good thing they suck.
/

They suck tonight.

53 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:58:35pm

re: #49 darthstar

Well, it's a good thing they suck.
/

You're just awful.

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:58:42pm

re: #35 MandyManners

I can see him as he wrote it.

From this point forward, I am simply going to assume that any ignorant drivel like that displayed in this hate mail is coming from a Juggalo. They certainly share the same plane of philosophical intellect.

55 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:58:44pm

re: #35 MandyManners

I can see him as he wrote it.

That looks about right. But it really should show him jumping out of his chair in pain, given his extreme butthurt:

Youtube Video
56 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:59:21pm

Hey, nit-wit.

(Not for epileptics.)

57 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:59:33pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

From this point forward, I am simply going to assume that any ignorant drivel like that displayed in this hate mail is coming from a Juggalo. They certainly share the same plane of philosophical intellect.

Who is Juggalo?

58 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:59:33pm

re: #53 MandyManners

You're just awful.

But I am a cunning linguist.

59 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:59:48pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

From this point forward, I am simply going to assume that any ignorant drivel like that displayed in this hate mail is coming from a Juggalo. They certainly share the same plane of philosophical intellect.

What's a Juggalo?

60 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:00:01pm

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Baron von Humboldt, 1813; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 370)"

"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man. (Thomas Jefferson"

61 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:00:16pm

re: #58 darthstar

But I am a cunning linguist.

Good thing I'm a master debater

62 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:00:32pm

re: #57 NJDhockeyfan

Who is Juggalo?

Archie's friend over in Riverdale.

63 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:00:49pm

re: #43 Alouette

He was a seekrit Muslin! He even had a Koran!
//

As you can see in this painting his hair did form a crescent shape around his ears. Also, his eyebrows also represent a crescent form.

/

64 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:00:57pm

By the way DF, that is baiting them.

65 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:01:00pm

re: #61 jamesfirecat

Good thing I'm a master debater

Hand Solo?

66 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:01:22pm

re: #58 darthstar

But I am a cunning linguist.

*blush*

67 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:01:40pm

re: #59 MandyManners

What's a Juggalo?

Someone with shitty taste in music.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:01:47pm

re: #57 NJDhockeyfan

re: #59 MandyManners

Glad you guys asked:

Know Your Meme: Fucking magnets, how do they work?

69 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:02:19pm

re: #64 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way DF, that is baiting them.

And baiting very wittily, I must say.

70 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:02:32pm

re: #67 Lidane

Someone with shitty taste in music.

Insane Clown Posse is a real band?

71 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:03:12pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

From this point forward, I am simply going to assume that any ignorant drivel like that displayed in this hate mail is coming from a Juggalo. They certainly share the same plane of philosophical intellect.

Apologies to any lizards who I might paint with my broad brush, but every single ICP fan I have ever met in my life have proven to be complete dumbasses.

72 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:03:41pm

re: #70 MandyManners

Insane Clown Posse is a real band?

Well, they're real. That much is true. Calling them a band implies they have actual talent. Heh. ;)

73 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:04:04pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

And baiting very wittily, I must say.

Well you know, I need to keep my fans entertained.

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:04:17pm

re: #70 MandyManners

Insane Clown Posse is a real band?

Yes, they've been around for nearly twenty years. See my #68.

75 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:04:38pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #59 MandyManners

Glad you guys asked:

Know Your Meme: Fucking magnets, how do they work?

I just Googled that song. Man, I'm getting old. It sucks.

76 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:06:12pm

Another quote I have not seen Beck use:

"Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, 1796-1797

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion--as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], ... ("Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary," 1796-1797. Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America. "

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:06:34pm

re: #75 MandyManners

I just Googled that song. Man, I'm getting old. It sucks.

Watch the whole thing, it is absolutely hilarious. And no, you're not getting old, their shtick was sucking twenty years ago.

78 Batman  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:08:37pm

They would have put more references to god in the Constitution but then they would have had to clarify whether it was the Episcopalian or Baptist god, and they didn't want to offend anyone who wasn't atheist, jewish, moslem, hindu, buddhist, taoist, shinto, jainist, zoroastrian, catholic, or animist. Episcopalians might worship a false god, but their hearts are at least in the right place, unlike some other people.

79 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:08:39pm

re: #76 avanti

Another quote I have not seen Beck use:

"Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, 1796-1797

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion--as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], ... ("Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary," 1796-1797. Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America. "

If you showed that to Beck, his head would explode.

80 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:08:44pm

oops...just realized my nic was blue because I'd accidentally typed a few characters into the email field. My apologies to anyone who clicked on it.

81 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:09:00pm

Yes, founding documents.

Treaty of Tripoli

Article 11

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Someone mentioned this this morning. I think it was Slumbering Behemoth.

82 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:09:27pm

re: #75 MandyManners

I just Googled that song. Man, I'm getting old. It sucks.

Just for kicks and giggles...

Magnets work because of relativistic effects on time and space, the electric field of a charge moving in a reference frame different than yours becomes a magnetic field in your frame. Since the magnetic field is a vector field, the vectors superpose, thus if you have charges moving in a closed loop you create a north and south pole. If you align current loops, the vectors stack further, and you have a magnet.

83 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:09:42pm

re: #75 MandyManners

I just Googled that song. Man, I'm getting old. It sucks.

You're not getting old. They just suck.

84 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:09:47pm

re: #76 avanti

Another quote I have not seen Beck use:

"Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, 1796-1797

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion--as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], ... ("Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary," 1796-1797. Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America. "

Ah, you beat me to is. :)

85 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:10:25pm

re: #83 Lidane

You're not getting old. They just suck.

So in addition to playing crappy music, they play hockey for the New Jersey Devils?

86 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:10:30pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Ah, you beat me to is it. :)

Oops, PIMF.

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:11:00pm

re: #76 avanti

Another quote I have not seen Beck use:

"Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, 1796-1797

I've used it quite often to smack creationists and theocrats with, though.

I'd call in and use it on Beck if I wasn't certain he would simply ignore the dates and declare "BUT THAT WASN'T WRITTEN BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS! HURR!"

88 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:12:00pm

re: #76 avanti

Another quote I have not seen Beck use:

"Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, 1796-1797

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion--as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], ... ("Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary," 1796-1797. Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America. "


Oh you know that's just a "Progressive" plot. I went to Monticello for the first time this fall and Jefferson's disdain for putting religion in the public sphere could not have been more blatant. I remember when we had a ballot initiative on gay marriage that George Allen actually claimed that this is what Jefferson would have wanted.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:12:12pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

That looks about right. But it really should show him jumping out of his chair in pain, given his extreme butthurt:


[Video]

Speaking of butthurt...

Bomb Probe Turns Up Vibrator

APRIL 19--A California Highway Patrol office was briefly evacuated earlier this month when investigators became concerned that an arrestee might have been carrying a concealed explosive device. When officers collared Steven Ferrini on a drug charge, a search of the 60-year-old suspect turned up "a suspicious wire, with an on/off switch" in his pants pocket. "The wire was found to extend from the pant pocket to the subject's anus," according to a CHP report, a copy of which you'll find here. Though Ferrini claimed that the wire was connected to an anal vibrator, officers became suspicious when he subsequently "began to explain his knowledge of explosives and bomb making." So they called in El Dorado County's "explosive ordinance disposal" team and, at 5:45 AM, evacuated "all unnecessary personnel" from the CHP's South Lake Tahoe office. At about 9 AM, the bomb squad "rendered the device safe" and determined it was not dangerous. The report does not indicate why more than three hours passed before the vibrator was found not to be an explosive device. "The vibrator was subsequently removed and placed into property," according to report, which does not identify the CHP employee tasked with that unfortunate evidence collection responsibility. Ferrini is pictured below in an El Dorado County Sheriff's Office mug shot snapped following his April 7 arrest.

90 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:12:37pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

At least it wasn't a microchip...those things are evil.

91 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:12:44pm

re: #80 darthstar

oops...just realized my nic was blue because I'd accidentally typed a few characters into the email field. My apologies to anyone who clicked on it.

wait...so your email address is not 'assmaster@tush.com'??

92 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:13:01pm

re: #85 darthstar

So in addition to playing crappy music, they play hockey for the New Jersey Devils?

They couldn't have done any worse this evening.

93 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:13:28pm

re: #91 Aceofwhat?

wait...so your email address is not 'assmaster@tush.com'??

It was just the letter z. assmaster at tush dot com was taken.

94 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:13:48pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

Bomb Squad Finds Pocket Rocket?

95 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:13:53pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

That's one weird gay guy.

96 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:14:07pm

re: #92 NJDhockeyfan

They couldn't have done any worse this evening.

My condolences...seriously. I know you're a devoted fan and as a life-long Vikings fan, I feel your pain.

97 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:14:33pm

I need a mental palate cleanser.

Youtube Video
98 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:15:03pm

re: #78 nonsense

They would have put more references to god in the Constitution but then they would have had to clarify whether it was the Episcopalian or Baptist god, and they didn't want to offend anyone who wasn't atheist, jewish, moslem, hindu, buddhist, taoist, shinto, jainist, zoroastrian, catholic, or animist. Episcopalians might worship a false god, but their hearts are at least in the right place, unlike some other people.

As a half-hearted Episcopalian, thank you....I think....

99 Batman  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:15:08pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Oh you know that's just a "Progressive" plot. I went to Monticello for the first time this fall and Jefferson's disdain for putting religion in the public sphere could not have been more blatant. I remember when we had a ballot initiative on gay marriage that George Allen actually claimed that this is what Jefferson would have wanted.

Did you know he founded the University of Virginia specifically to have a non-religious college. At that time every single college was run by some religious sect or another and had required worship. He even designed it specifically so that the library was at the center in the exact spot that other colleges put their church -- the main focal point of the campus.

100 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:15:22pm

re: #96 darthstar

My condolences...seriously. I know you're a devoted fan and as a life-long Vikings fan, I feel your pain.

I'm also a Cubs fan. I'm used to getting let down.

101 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:15:57pm

re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote

Just for kicks and giggles...

Magnets work because of relativistic effects on time and space, the electric field of a charge moving in a reference frame different than yours becomes a magnetic field in your frame. Since the magnetic field is a vector field, the vectors superpose, thus if you have charges moving in a closed loop you create a north and south pole. If you align current loops, the vectors stack further, and you have a magnet.

It's magic.

102 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:03pm

re: #99 nonsense

Did you know he founded the University of Virginia specifically to have a non-religious college. At that time every single college was run by some religious sect or another and had required worship. He even designed it specifically so that the library was at the center in the exact spot that other colleges put their church -- the main focal point of the campus.

Did not know that.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:04pm

re: #81 Gus 802

Yes, founding documents.

Treaty of Tripoli

Article 11

Someone mentioned this this morning. I think it was Slumbering Behemoth.

That's my general goto "STFU" document when dealing with creationists and theocrats. MFers don't know a damn thing about science or civics.

104 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:23pm

re: #76 avanti

Another quote I have not seen Beck use:

"Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, 1796-1797

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion--as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], ... ("Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary," 1796-1797. Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America. "

Here's the spin about this I read somewhere. This isn't important because it was quite obviously a intelligent fake out by the gubermint of the time for the purpose of the treaty (or something like that). It's obvious that they didn't really mean it and it's just diplomatic talk.

And no I don't believe that or course.

105 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:24pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

I'm also a Cubs fan. I'm used to getting let down.

Ditto.

106 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:16:50pm

re: #90 darthstar

At least it wasn't a microchip...those things are evil.

Only if in the crotch. Planted by the Department of Defense.

107 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:17:28pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

I'm also a Cubs fan. I'm used to getting let down.

I've always liked the Cubs because of Harry Carey. Used to watch WGN all summer when I was in college because I loved listening to him.

108 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:19:09pm

iLust taken to new extremes:

Man loses finger over iPad

109 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:19:34pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

He was, he was just a Christian who took a red pen and proceeded to cross out the parts of the Bible that he didn't like.

At least that's a story my dad told me...

Ah, so you are familiar with the Jefferson Bible? For those who don't know, its all about the life and words of Jesus, with none of the miracles included. It ends with his tomb being sealed up on good Friday.

110 The Curmudgeon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:19:49pm

Most people focus on the First Amendment for separation of church and state, but even before the Bill of Rights, the Constitution was blatantly secular. Article 6 prohibits religious qualifications for holding office, there are several places that speak of "oath or affirmation," which specifically allows secular oaths, and Article 6 also provides that a man-made Constitution was the supreme law of the land. It doesn't get more secular than that.

111 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:21:02pm

OT: is anyone else watching Ray Allen do this?

112 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:21:15pm

Ohhh how could I forget...

If cold warrior wrote it:

Magnets work because of relativistic effects on time and space, the electric field of a charge moving in a reference frame different than yours becomes a magnetic field in your frame...

Nah he wouldn't write that. Just kidding.

He would write:

Palin is a virtuous lady who is defending my precious bodily fluids from deviated preverts like you, you ponytail wearing hippie traitor. You should not make fun of her. She senses my power, but I deny her my essence.

What about Iron Fist:

Precious, my precious .45 we wants it. WE NEEDS IT! BAD HOBBIT NASTY HOBBIT wantses to steals our .45. But Palin is nice to us, yes she loves us. She likes to stroke my precious too.

beltfed:

God made this country so that people who love large guns can put people like you in their place. THAT is in the constitution.

Ohhh and possum:

Why won't ludwig notice me! Don't I matter? You insulted my sister when you said she was the only girl I ever kissed!

113 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:21:47pm

re: #107 darthstar

I've always liked the Cubs because of Harry Carey. Used to watch WGN all summer when I was in college because I loved listening to him.

Harry was the fucking man. I became a Cubs fan because of him. When I moved in to the country I bought a $3500 satellite TV system (C-band) just so I could watch the Cubs. That was before the little dishes.

Youtube Video
114 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:21:48pm

re: #99 nonsense

Did you know he founded the University of Virginia specifically to have a non-religious college. At that time every single college was run by some religious sect or another and had required worship. He even designed it specifically so that the library was at the center in the exact spot that other colleges put their church -- the main focal point of the campus.

And designed well he did. Most remarkable of all, the place would still be recognizable to Jefferson were he to come back today.

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:22:16pm

re: #101 MandyManners

It's magic.

Translation for Juggalos :"There's magic all up in that bitch."

116 TampaKnight  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:22:32pm

Very off topic, but I put bought a Glock 21 .45 APC. Amazing!

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:23:08pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Oh who am I kidding, facts bounce off of these people like bullets off of Superman...

Part of the problem seems to be that they understand the Establishment Clause in a vacuum. As far as they are concerned, as long as no single Christian denomination is established as a state church, they've met all the requirements, and can go full speed ahead.

118 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:23:15pm

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

Harry was the fucking man. I became a Cubs fan because of him. When I moved in to the country I bought a $3500 satellite TV system (C-band) just so I could watch the Cubs. That was before the little dishes.


[Video]

He made the games much better, that is certain.

119 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:23:30pm

re: #114 Surabaya Stew

And designed well he did. Most remarkable of all, the place would still be recognizable to Jefferson were he to come back today.

I drive by there fairly often.

120 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:23:55pm

re: #25 Slumbering Behemoth

No dude, you're a dumbass, and so is the Pop-Idol dunce you worship.

And if you can not comprehend the secular foundation of the USA, I suggest you take your un-American, theocracy lovin' ass on over to Saudi Arabia.

Fuck you.

Right on and solid, SB...hooah!

121 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:24:01pm

re: #116 TampaKnight

Very off topic, but I put bought a Glock 21 .45 APC. Amazing!

The reliability of a Glock with the power of an M1911A1. Nice!

122 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:24:09pm

re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth

Translation for Juggalos :"There's magic all up in that bitch."

Is that anything like "junk in my trunk"?

123 TampaKnight  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:24:34pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

The reliability of a Glock with the power of an M1911A1. Nice!

My new night stand protection.....I pity the intruder who comes in.

124 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:24:46pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

He made the games much better, that is certain.

He could make a 15-0 blowout interesting and exciting. Nobody came close to Harry Carey. He was magic.

125 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:25:34pm

re: #116 TampaKnight

Very off topic, but I put bought a Glock 21 .45 APC. Amazing!

Oooh. Pretty thing, ain't it?

126 TampaKnight  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:26:18pm

re: #125 MandyManners

Oooh. Pretty thing, ain't it?

Beautiful.

127 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:27:22pm

re: #109 Surabaya Stew

Ah, so you are familiar with the Jefferson Bible? For those who don't know, its all about the life and words of Jesus, with none of the miracles included. It ends with his tomb being sealed up on good Friday.

Imagine trying to spin this one about his opinion of the Bible:

"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute inquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814"

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:27:35pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

Palin's fans are not the cream of the crop.

See Senator Lee of California's receipt of the most racist fax ever imaginable.

We don't have a Senator Lee in California. Do you mean Barbara Lee?

129 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:27:45pm

re: #123 TampaKnight

My new night stand protection...I pity the intruder who comes in.

With Florida's 'castle' law and your skill, he'd be toast.

130 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:28:04pm

re: #116 Nice choice. How stiff is the factory trigger? The 9lb or the 5?

131 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:28:26pm

re: #125 MandyManners

Oooh. Pretty thing, ain't it?

Not as pretty as you in a mud-mask.

132 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:28:47pm

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

PIMF
I was not looking to italicize.

133 TampaKnight  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:29:10pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

With Florida's 'castle' law and your skill, he'd be toast.

Yep, and I love that law. If you enter my house, I can assume you're there to harm me and can unload my clip.

134 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:29:54pm

re: #120 talon_262

High five, brother! Thanks.

re: #122 MandyManners

Is that anything like "junk in my trunk"?

Not exactly. In this instance, the "bitch" in which the magic is "all up in" would be the magnets.

In the ICP video, the "bitch" would be the universe, I believe.

/I swear, I am having too much fun mocking that video.

135 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:30:14pm

Uh oh, rodent is close to finding out who I am... I am sooo scared.

I laugh at you Latin manhood. Not at latin men mind you - just the idea that you are a man.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:31:23pm

re: #11 darthstar

OMFG! Rachel just played a clip of McCain on Fox saying that illegals were "in cars intentionally causing accidents on the freeway." She then asked, "You know what freeway that is? No. Neither do I."

WTF?

They're ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Not HOMICIDAL LUNATICS.

137 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:32:05pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

WTF?

They're ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Not HOMICIDAL LUNATICS.

Never be surprised at how far Fox will sink.

138 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:32:09pm

re: #135 LudwigVanQuixote

Uh oh, rodent is close to finding out who I am... I am sooo scared.

I laugh at you Latin manhood. Not at latin men mind you - just the idea that you are a man.

He is really Jennifer Lopez (not the star of "Gigli," but Cartman's finger puppet)

139 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:32:42pm

re: #134 Slumbering Behemoth

High five, brother! Thanks.

re: #122 MandyManners

Not exactly. In this instance, the "bitch" in which the magic is "all up in" would be the magnets.

In the ICP video, the "bitch" would be the universe, I believe.

/I swear, I am having too much fun mocking that video.

I'm clueless.

140 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:32:45pm

re: #108 freetoken

iLust taken to new extremes:


Man loses finger over iPad

Kind of makes it hard to use the damn thing.

What I did like, though, was the part of the interview where he said, "It's just a toy." Loved that.

141 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:32:52pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

We don't have a Senator Lee in California. Do you mean Barbara Lee?

Leland Yee - State Senator. He's the guy trying to get to the bottom of Cal State Stanislaus paying Palin to come & speak, and in turn received the wrath of Palin fans.

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:32:58pm

re: #133 TampaKnight

Yep, and I love that law. If you enter my house, I can assume you're there to harm me and can unload my clip.

Didn't Jeb sign a law where force can be used on the street, where before you had to try to get away? Something like that.

143 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:33:48pm

re: #21 Summer

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

We really, really, really have to pound this FIRST LINE into people's head. It's not just about the second part about freedom of religion. It's about the FIRST part as well. Somehow, they are unable to read this concept in plain English, or any other language that I know of so far.

Someone suggested looking up terms in the dictionary. I suggest you lookup "establish" in the dictionary and see if the definition means the same as "a wall of separation". Wikiapedia had a pretty good history of the "establishment clause" and how it came to mean "a wall of separation".

I really laugh at how people think the establishment clause has anything to do with separation of church and state. It didn't exist for the first 100+ years of this country and came into existance when a Supreme Court justice decided to make it the law of the land.

144 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:33:54pm

re: #140 darthstar

Yeah, I guess Apple needs to fine tune its marketing machine a bit.

145 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:34:34pm

re: #133 TampaKnight

Yep, and I love that law. If you enter my house, I can assume you're there to harm me and can unload my clip.

"Clip" is for rifles. Your Glock has a magazine.

146 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:34:51pm

re: #116 TampaKnight

Very off topic, but I put bought a Glock 21 .45 APC. Amazing!

Hope it's gen 3 - I've been hearing ill of the gen 4 weapons.

I'll just continue to be a revolver Luddite :) Well, I might get one of the S&W Glock copies (Sigma in 9mm) one of these days just because.

William

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:34:55pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

As I recall another story goes like this

First draft= "We hold these truths to be God given..."

Final draft = "We hold these truths to be self evident..."

I think the original was 'sacred and undeniable', which was modified to 'self-evident'. Not sure.

148 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:34:57pm

We gots a theocrat in da house?

149 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:35:08pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Leland Yee - State Senator. He's the guy trying to get to the bottom of Cal State Stanislaus paying Palin to come & speak, and in turn received the wrath of Palin fans.

What's wrong with them paying Palin for a fundraiser, other than the fact they hired Palin?

150 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:35:10pm

re: #143 michael78244

good grief

151 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:35:38pm

Is the McCain you guys are talking about John or Robert Stacy? Just wondered because if it's Senator McCain than wow what a 180 he's done on the issue. On a related note, I got to see and meet Matt Welch who wrote Myth of Maverick about McCAin tonight on an Anti War on Drugs seminar. Real down to earth guy even though I don't agree with his much of his economic positions.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:35:55pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

He was, he was just a Christian who took a red pen and proceeded to cross out the parts of the Bible that he didn't like.

At least that's a story my dad told me...

Did it with a razor, and bound the results.

153 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:36:04pm

Heh.

Harry Caray on CrackerJacks

Youtube Video
154 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:36:12pm

re: #11 darthstar

OMFG! Rachel just played a clip of McCain on Fox saying that illegals were "in cars intentionally causing accidents on the freeway." She then asked, "You know what freeway that is? No. Neither do I."

Face meet palm.

Video

Youtube Video

Go to 1:00. First I ever heard of such a thing. Only thing I've heard of has been the occasional van accidents. It's weird seeing this new current version of John McCain.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:14pm

re: #43 Alouette

He was a seekrit Muslin! He even had a Koran!
//

Since used to swear in Keith Ellison. Everything comes in handy if you hang on to it long enough.

156 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:20pm

re: #154 Gus 802

Face meet palm.

Video


[Video]Go to 1:00. First I ever heard of such a thing. Only thing I've heard of has been the occasional van accidents. It's weird seeing this new current version of John McCain.

What happened to the John McCain who partnered up with Ted Kennedy on immigration? The man I honestly respected since he didn't play the xenophobic card with immigrants.

157 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:27pm

re: #143 michael78244

so what would you prefer?

158 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:30pm

re: #143 michael78244

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The modern concept is often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

159 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:35pm

re: #138 Alouette

He is really Jennifer Lopez (not the star of "Gigli," but Cartman's finger puppet)

That is so true!

My G-d was there ever a more pathetic drunk on the net? Well unfortunately yes. But he really is an exciting one.

Though it should be noted that there is a very famous gay porn star of the same name who lives in the same area and who is famous for auto fellatio.

To be honest, that's a pretty nifty trick. It also does explain why he never leaves the house and needs so much alcohol to get the taste out of his mouth.

160 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:43pm

re: #111 Aceofwhat?

OT: is anyone else watching Ray Allen do this?

dude is a witch.

161 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:37:56pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Since used to swear in Keith Ellison. Everything comes in handy if you hang on to it long enough.

Tsk. Don't enable hoarders/

162 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:38:00pm

re: #143 michael78244

Someone suggested looking up terms in the dictionary. I suggest you lookup "establish" in the dictionary and see if the definition means the same as "a wall of separation". Wikiapedia had a pretty good history of the "establishment clause" and how it came to mean "a wall of separation".

I really laugh at how people think the establishment clause has anything to do with separation of church and state. It didn't exist for the first 100+ years of this country and came into existance when a Supreme Court justice decided to make it the law of the land.

What?

163 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:38:13pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

What happened to the John McCain who partnered up with Ted Kennedy on immigration? The man I honestly respected since he didn't play the xenophobic card with immigrants.

He met Sarah Palin, the ghost of GOP future, and has been trying to get it on with her ever since.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:38:13pm

re: #63 Gus 802

As you can see in this painting his hair did form a crescent shape around his ears. Also, his eyebrows also represent a crescent form.

/

Oh, great, it's the Jefferson Code.

165 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:38:34pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Did it with a razor, and bound the results.

He isn't the first. Christians have been doing the same thing since the Council of Nicea in 235 AD.

166 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:39:03pm

re: #158 Girth

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

167 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:39:14pm

re: #119 NJDhockeyfan

I drive by there fairly often.

Lucky you are! I would love to go to Virginia one day and do the grand tour of Jefferson's world, plus Mount Vernon. As an architect, we had to study him in college; his theories and designs put him decently high up in the pantheon of great architects....

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:39:23pm

re: #139 MandyManners

I'm clueless.

Sorry. In the video "Miracles", when Violent J says "Magic everywhere in this bitch", he is talking about observable phenomena within the known universe, and expressing his disdain for scientific explanations of such phenomena.

The song is basically a call to ignorance from a creationist angle.

169 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:40:15pm

re: #166 michael78244

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

Happy 420, you must be high as a kite. What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" is unclear?

170 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:40:27pm

re: #166 michael78244

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

or it did and was unchallenged until the decision? the SCOTUS doesn't go looking for cases...they have to be brought.

171 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:41:26pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

What's wrong with them paying Palin for a fundraiser, other than the fact they hired Palin?

Well, I think they are broke, cutting things that affect students. They are mad that the state is paying upwards of 100K for a speaker. And yes, it's political too.

172 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:41:27pm

re: #166 michael78244

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

The phrase did not exist or the concept?

173 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:41:30pm

re: #166 michael78244

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

the 20's? Justice Black was a FDR appointee.

174 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:41:57pm

re: #165 drcordell

He isn't the first. Christians have been doing the same thing since the Council of Nicea in 235 AD.

Ooh, my two favorite idiots, Mandy and Dr. Cordell, together on the same thread.

Would you both please go have sexual intercourse together? I'd love to see the convergent morons that would result.

175 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:41:59pm

re: #168 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry. In the video "Miracles", when Violent J says "Magic everywhere in this bitch", he is talking about observable phenomena within the known universe, and expressing his disdain for scientific explanations of such phenomena.

The song is basically a call to ignorance from a creationist angle.

Are you seriously discussing the theological message of an Insane Clown Posse song?

176 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:42:26pm

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

Ludwig, you do realize that if he ever finds out who you are you will be in trouble, don't you? At a minimum, he could send the stuff you've said about him to your employer.

177 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:42:29pm

re: #163 Cato the Elder

He met Sarah Palin, the ghost of GOP future, and has been trying to get it on with her ever since.

Now I really don't get that.

I mean I really do not get how people could find her attractive.

She could demand that I drill here and drill now all she wanted and I am afraid I simply could not be attracted.

Forget the rule about I don't date psycho chicks and the rule that I don't date anti-American, ignorant, stuck up, opportunistic, twits.

Forget even that she defines shiksa in a way I can not begin to explain.

There is the simple fact that she really is not that cute and it seems that there are lots of gun lovers stroking their barrels to her, and I just don't get it. What exactly is the attraction?

178 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:42:36pm

re: #175 drcordell

Are you seriously discussing the theological message of an Insane Clown Posse song?

...Why the hell not???
:)

179 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:42:41pm

re: #166 michael78244

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

Doesn't matter if it was largely based around a SCOTUS decision. That's the way things work in this country. Contrary to that "In God We Trust" wasn't put on paper money until 1957.

180 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:43:04pm

re: #170 Aceofwhat?

Really? So when this decision was rendered, what was the case? Did someone come up and say, "You know, there really is a wall of separation that exists between church and state." Tell me what the case was about when this great statement was made.

181 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:43:05pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

Ooh, my two favorite idiots, Mandy and Dr. Cordell, together on the same thread.

Would you both please go have sexual intercourse together? I'd love to see the convergent morons that would result.

You have a problem with the factual statement I made regarding the Council of Nicea?

182 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:43:23pm

re: #154 Gus 802

Face meet palm.

Video


[Video]Go to 1:00. First I ever heard of such a thing. Only thing I've heard of has been the occasional van accidents. It's weird seeing this new current version of John McCain.

It's an old story. Gangs who caused accidents to collect damages. It's really from the 90's. Surprised (not) it's being revived.

183 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:43:44pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

the 20's? Justice Black was a FDR appointee.

Yeah, he's off a few years.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:13pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Leland Yee - State Senator. He's the guy trying to get to the bottom of Cal State Stanislaus paying Palin to come & speak, and in turn received the wrath of Palin fans.

Oh. I should have known that was coming.

And now I've looked at some of the material.

What is the MATTER with these people?

185 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:19pm

re: #127 avanti

Imagine trying to spin this one about his opinion of the Bible:

"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute inquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814"

Hey, ya gotta give the man credit for at least having an opinion about holy texts, as he actually took the time to read and analize them. Makes one wonder what he though about the Koran?

186 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:20pm

re: #165 drcordell

He isn't the first. Christians have been doing the same thing since the Council of Nicea in 235 AD.

right, you being the theologian and all...

187 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:27pm

re: #180 michael78244

Really? So when this decision was rendered, what was the case? Did someone come up and say, "You know, there really is a wall of separation that exists between church and state." Tell me what the case was about when this great statement was made.

Why don't you since you're the one who asserted it?

188 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:32pm

Hate Mail.
U Haz it.

U R TRYIN 2 MAK FUN OV PALIN, BUT U R TEH F&^%ING IDIOT. NOWHERE IZ “SEPARASHUN OV CHURCH AN STATE” STATD IN ANY TEH UNITD STATEZ FOUNDIN DOCUMENTS, BUT CEILIN CAT IZ MENSHUND. U R JUS DUMBAS ATHIEST LEFTY FAGGOT, AN IF U DISAGREE WIF ME U SHUD MOOV 2 CUBA

189 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:37pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Ok, 30's.

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:37pm

re: #143 michael78244

I really laugh at how people think the establishment clause has anything to do with separation of church and state.

Ahem...

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

- Thomas Jefferson

Yeah, definitely makes me want to laugh. At willfully ignorant people like yourself, that is.

191 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:42pm

re: #177 LudwigVanQuixote

Now I really don't get that.

I mean I really do not get how people could find her attractive.

She could demand that I drill here and drill now all she wanted and I am afraid I simply could not be attracted.

Forget the rule about I don't date psycho chicks and the rule that I don't date anti-American, ignorant, stuck up, opportunistic, twits.

Forget even that she defines shiksa in a way I can not begin to explain.

There is the simple fact that she really is not that cute and it seems that there are lots of gun lovers stroking their barrels to her, and I just don't get it. What exactly is the attraction?

Mangetic. How the fuck does that work?

192 joecitizen  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:57pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder You are an unbelievable asshole.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:08pm

re: #143 michael78244

Someone suggested looking up terms in the dictionary. I suggest you lookup "establish" in the dictionary and see if the definition means the same as "a wall of separation". Wikiapedia had a pretty good history of the "establishment clause" and how it came to mean "a wall of separation".

I really laugh at how people think the establishment clause has anything to do with separation of church and state. It didn't exist for the first 100+ years of this country and came into existance when a Supreme Court justice decided to make it the law of the land.

Look up what Jefferson and Madison had to say on the subject, and stop being an eejit.

194 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:09pm

re: #182 Stanley Sea

It's an old story. Gangs who caused accidents to collect damages. It's really from the 90's. Surprised (not) it's being revived.

Oh yeah. I've heard of that. That's not limited to illegals either. Some crazy pedestrians will do that. It's a bit of an extreme version of slipping and falling in a grocery store.

195 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:20pm

re: #186 Aceofwhat?

right, you being the theologian and all...

I took several theology classes. I'm certainly no expert, but I goddamn well know what happened at the Council of Nicea. Do you?

196 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:28pm

re: #167 Surabaya Stew

Lucky you are! I would love to go to Virginia one day and do the grand tour of Jefferson's world, plus Mount Vernon. As an architect, we had to study him in college; his theories and designs put him decently high up in the pantheon of great architects...

I've lived here since 1990. I tell ya, they make sure you know who built this town. Thomas Jefferson is everywhere around here.

Also...Bill Clinton started his journey to the White House from here. He visited Monticello then traveled up to DC on the same path Jefferson took when he went to Washington.

197 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:29pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

DING!

198 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:35pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

WTF?

They're ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Not HOMICIDAL LUNATICS.

Well-- insurance fraud is real. And criminal gangs do recruit immigrants to take part in the insurance fraud scams. However, they're being forced into doing it by the same gangs that get them into the US, in order to pay the exorbitant amounts they charge-- or just gangs who threaten to deport them. The illegals don't see much of any settlement money, most of the time.

[Link: www.spamlaws.com...]

Moreover, this behavior is in no way confined to illegal immigrants-- there's plenty of native Americans who do it, and the problem is crime, not some moral turpitude on the part of the immigrants. It normally represents people who have been forced, coerced, bamboozled, or tricked into it.

199 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:45:51pm

re: #21 Summer

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

We really, really, really have to pound this FIRST LINE into people's head. It's not just about the second part about freedom of religion. It's about the FIRST part as well. Somehow, they are unable to read this concept in plain English, or any other language that I know of so far.

Hey beauty!

200 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:46:14pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

Mangetic. How the fuck does that work?

That was brilliant!

201 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:46:27pm

re: #192 joecitizen

You are an unbelievable asshole.

Nah. He's believable.

202 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:46:32pm

re: #179 Gus 802

So, that is my point. It is not a part of the establishmen clause, it is an interpretation handed down by the Supreme Court.

That is all I am saying.

203 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:47:00pm

re: #192 joecitizen

You are an unbelievable asshole.

[bows elaborately]

204 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:47:07pm

re: #166 michael78244

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

Forgive me if I don't take your word on the exact history here, as it's not important to my larger point, which is:

So a Supreme Court justice cited a document written by one of the Founding Fathers in order to clarify their intent. What's your problem here?

205 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:47:07pm

re: #180 michael78244

Really? So when this decision was rendered, what was the case? Did someone come up and say, "You know, there really is a wall of separation that exists between church and state." Tell me what the case was about when this great statement was made.

Um, I thought you were telling us.

206 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:47:18pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

Downding for the unwarranted insult. Both Mandy and Dr. Cordell have been behaving themselves.

207 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:48:00pm

re: #201 MandyManners

Nah. He's believable.

So are you, more's the pity.

208 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:48:20pm

re: #186 Aceofwhat?

right, you being the theologian and all...

Let me guess, you're one of those Christians who thinks the Bible was magically handed down from God in its current form? No human editing has ever occurred at all over the past 2000 years. Politics has never been involved in the shaping of Church doctrine at all, ever. Bwahahahahaha.

209 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:48:22pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

Perv.

/you gotta pay extra to watch.

210 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:48:41pm

re: #167 Surabaya Stew

Hi, which US colleges would you recommend for an Architecture under grad degree?
My daughter is interested.

211 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:49:14pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Downding for the unwarranted insult. Both Mandy and Dr. Cordell have been behaving themselves.

Given enough time and juiced-up cattle prods, I could teach Ann Coulter to do the same.

212 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:49:28pm

re: #175 drcordell

Are you seriously mockingly discussing the theological message of an Insane Clown Posse song?

FTFY, and yes.

213 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:49:31pm

re: #180 michael78244

Really? So when this decision was rendered, what was the case? Did someone come up and say, "You know, there really is a wall of separation that exists between church and state." Tell me what the case was about when this great statement was made.

IIRC, Jefferson's letter was first cited in Reynolds v United States, in the 1870s.

So I agree...you apparently do need me to tell you about these things.

214 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:49:36pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

Ahem ...

A note, whether it was written by Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin, or pick your favorite old dude, does NOT over ride the constitution of the U.S. It also should not carry any legal weight at all.

215 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:49:55pm

re: #187 MandyManners

Why don't you since you're the one who asserted it?

oh, trust me, i don't mind;)

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:50:29pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

What's wrong with them paying Palin for a fundraiser, other than the fact they hired Palin?

It's complicated, at least to me, but the issue seems to be one of transparency between the California State University system and one of their fundraising foundations. And of course, the fact that Sarah Palin is involved.

217 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:51:38pm

re: #196 NJDhockeyfan

I've lived here since 1990. I tell ya, they make sure you know who built this town. Thomas Jefferson is everywhere around here.

Also...Bill Clinton started his journey to the White House from here. He visited Monticello then traveled up to DC on the same path Jefferson took when he went to Washington.

Did not know that about Clinton; bet he wasn't the only famous one inspired by Jefferson's buildings and path through life. In fact, I am now fondly remembering my time as a 9-year old at the Jefferson Memorial. A very satisfying, (yet oddly strong and lonely) place it is.

218 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:52:00pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Why does it matter what they have to say on the subject? That is the same as saying the Bill Clinton has the same say on the subject. What was written in a personal letter is not binding in law.

219 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:52:06pm
Nowhere is “separation of church and state” stated in any the United States founding documents, but God is mentioned.

Deliver me from Theocrats, O Lord.

Thank you.

220 Summer Seale  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:52:08pm

re: #143 michael78244

Someone suggested looking up terms in the dictionary. I suggest you lookup "establish" in the dictionary and see if the definition means the same as "a wall of separation". Wikiapedia had a pretty good history of the "establishment clause" and how it came to mean "a wall of separation".

I really laugh at how people think the establishment clause has anything to do with separation of church and state. It didn't exist for the first 100+ years of this country and came into existance when a Supreme Court justice decided to make it the law of the land.

I really have to laugh and take exception at your idiocy before turning in for the night. I suspect that people like you laughed at how President Clinton was parsing the word "is", and you find yourself in the incredible position of parsing the word "establish" in some legal way to try to establish a theocracy in this country. I'm not going to have any of it, I'm sorry. "Establish" is extremely clear in meaning and intent. There are reams of documents from that time which show that the Founding Fathers wouldn't have any of it either. They weren't interested in establishing a national religion. Most of them were people of the enlightenment. Most of them were far more interested in science, which was still a fairly new concept in the day, as opposed to the "spiritual" pursuits. Some of them were religious, but almost none of them were overtly so.

If your precious theocracy was the intent of the founders of this nation, they would have created it from the onset. They never did because it never was their intent. They did exactly what they intended to do, were quite clear about it, and trying to parse their words over two hundred years later is a travesty of history. It is called historical revisionism and it is a slander on their brave words which, might I add, you probably don't agree with in any sense to begin with. They were brave men who went against all tradition and they knew it. Stop trying to make them into something they refused to be because it sickens me.

People who think that the Founding Fathers wanted a theocracy for the nation are as bad as Holocaust deniers to me - insane, malevolent, and liars.

Goodnight.

221 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:52:12pm

re: #214 michael78244

Ahem ...

A note, whether it was written by Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin, or pick your favorite old dude, does NOT over ride the constitution of the U.S. It also should not carry any legal weight at all.

On the other hand...how better to consider the original intent than to hear it straight from the horse's mouth? Jefferson wasn't the only one to voice such interpretations. Ever heard of Madison?

The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819).

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:53:15pm

re: #166 michael78244

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

Untrue. And the case you mean was 1947.

But you get half a point for not telling me the phrase is originally from the Communist Manifesto.

223 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:53:19pm

re: #204 Girth

A personal letter is not law.

224 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:53:24pm

re: #208 drcordell

Let me guess, you're one of those Christians who thinks the Bible was magically handed down from God in its current form? No human editing has ever occurred at all over the past 2000 years. Politics has never been involved in the shaping of Church doctrine at all, ever. Bwahahahahaha.

at least you're consistent. consistently wrong, but consistent.

225 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:53:45pm

re: #221 Aceofwhat?

What's nice about that letter is that it includes the very, very true fact that it is far better for the church itself (whatever form it may be) to be separate from the state.

226 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:54:19pm

re: #219 Ojoe

Deliver me from Theocrats, O Lord.

Thank you.

Amen...

227 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:54:22pm

re: #210 prairiefire

Cal Poly San Luis Obispo has a very fine architecture program, and it has a lot of practicality to it, not as head in the clouds as some others.

(I graduated from there in 1975)

228 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:54:37pm

re: #224 Aceofwhat?

at least you're consistent. consistently wrong, but consistent.

Feel free to do anything except launch ad hominem arguments at any time. What exactly do you think happened at the Council of Nicea? I'd love to hear.

229 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:54:40pm

re: #166 michael78244

Yes and it was cited in a decision by Justice Black in the 20s. Before that "Separation of Church and State" did not exist.

It has existed since the original framers and just was tested in that case. Many of the framers were deists and feared the influence of the church. As a matter of fact, Jefferson and others would have had to moderate their contempt of organized religion if running for office today.

230 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:54:42pm

re: #223 michael78244

The first amendment is law. These gentlemen writing the letters were all intimately familiar with it. When Madison writes about how church and state have been separated, he means via the Constitution.

How do you interpret his letter otherwise?

231 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:55:18pm

re: #225 Obdicut

What's nice about that letter is that it includes the very, very true fact that it is far better for the church itself (whatever form it may be) to be separate from the state.

No question. I'm petrified of anything less than a rampart of separation, as a Christian. Every time this comes up, i wonder why the hell these idiots would want the State involved in their Church???

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:55:38pm

re: #202 michael78244

So, that is my point. It is not a part of the establishmen clause, it is an interpretation handed down by the Supreme Court.

That is all I am saying.

I am getting the impression that you bought into the lie that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, and you are trying desperately not to acknowledge how that lie is falling apart right before your very eyes.

I know that a fact based reality can sometimes be tough, but to deny reality and embrace fairy tale lies makes one a fool and a cultist.

233 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:55:58pm

re: #220 Summer

Goodnight, sweet nymph.

234 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:56:16pm

re: #228 drcordell

Feel free to do anything except launch ad hominem arguments at any time. What exactly do you think happened at the Council of Nicea? I'd love to hear.

I know what Nicea was. You said it's what has been happening SINCE Nicea.

So please. Inquiring minds want to know just how many pages have been razored out of the bible since Nicea, you being the expert and all.

235 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:56:48pm

re: #210 prairiefire

Hi, which US colleges would you recommend for an Architecture under grad degree?
My daughter is interested.

NO! DON'T DO IT!!! IT'S TOO MUCH WORK FOR TOO LITTLE MONEY!!!!!!
/

Seriously, Pratt rules! It's a huge community, and all firms (at least on the East Coast) know that Pratt grads tend to know their stuff. Pratt architects may not do many of the fancy designs, but they tend to be the become the managing partners!

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:57:04pm

re: #180 michael78244

Really? So when this decision was rendered, what was the case? Did someone come up and say, "You know, there really is a wall of separation that exists between church and state." Tell me what the case was about when this great statement was made.

Eejit. The case in question had to do with whether the state was required to provide buses to private religious schools, IIRC. Black referenced Jefferson's letter to the Danby, CT Baptists, to make use of the expression, 'a wall of separation between church and state'. The case did not establish the concept, it referenced it. Go read something and come back.

237 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:57:04pm

re: #214 michael78244

Ahem ...

A note, whether it was written by Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin, or pick your favorite old dude, does NOT over ride the constitution of the U.S. It also should not carry any legal weight at all.

Do you use the Federalist Papers to help determine Original Intent? If so, then this note should also be considered.

238 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:57:07pm

re: #213 Aceofwhat?

Sigh. Separation of Church and State was a Justice Black invention. It didn't exist before then.

239 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:57:18pm

re: #231 Aceofwhat?

Every time this comes up, i wonder why the hell these idiots would want the State involved in their Church???

That is not, IMHO, what they want; they want their church to BE the state.

BBL

(tomorrow)

240 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:57:24pm

re: #220 Summer


People who think that the Founding Fathers wanted a theocracy for the nation are as bad as Holocaust deniers to me - insane, malevolent, and liars.

Word!

William

241 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:57:34pm

The monkeys are taking over the zoo.

242 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:02pm

Something to read:

U.S. Constitution: First Amendment
RELIGION
An Overview

Madison's original proposal for a bill of rights provision concerning religion read: ''The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.''

The language was altered in the House to read: ''Congress shall make no law establishing religion, or to prevent the free exercise thereof, or to infringe the rights of conscience.''

In the Senate, the section adopted read: ''Congress shall make no law establishing articles of faith, or a mode of worship, or prohibiting the free exercise of religion, . . .'' It was in the conference committee of the two bodies, chaired by Madison, that the present language was written with its some what more indefinite ''respecting'' phraseology. Debate in Congress lends little assistance in interpreting the religion clauses; Madison's position, as well as that of Jefferson who influenced him, is fairly clear, but the intent, insofar as there was one, of the others in Congress who voted for the language and those in the States who voted to ratify is subject to speculation.

It's rather clear. The 1st Amendment is a statement of neutrality regarding religion. They can neither establish a religion or prevent the free exercise of religion. Given that the government cannot establish religion it goes without saying that therefore they cannot engage in the exercise of religion to the point of endorsing any particular religion (or no religion). The main point being, "Congress shall make no law establishing religion."

243 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:06pm

re: #238 michael78244

Repeating something really doesn't make it true, you know.

Okay, how about this:

What legal force did Black's decision have that wasn't there before? What changed because of it?

244 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:09pm

re: #220 Summer

but...but...how will he make sex with you now??

//

245 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:13pm

re: #238 michael78244

Sigh. Separation of Church and State was a Justice Black invention. It didn't exist before then.

Again, the phrase or the intent?

246 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:35pm

re: #214 michael78244

I does carry weight. It is proof, son, of the intent of the Establishment Clause, and one of many proofs that the United States was founded as a secular country.

247 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:37pm

re: #221 Aceofwhat?

And what would George Washington have to say on the subject? If you are going to ask about intent, you should ask the man who could have been king.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:53pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

Ahem...

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

- Thomas Jefferson

Yeah, definitely makes me want to laugh. At willfully ignorant people like yourself, that is.

Some comments of James Madison on the subject.

249 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:56pm

re: #223 michael78244

A personal letter is not law.

I didn't say it was, I implied that it is a way, perhaps the best way, for a judge to determine the intent of a lawmaker.

250 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:58:58pm

re: #202 michael78244

So, that is my point. It is not a part of the establishmen clause, it is an interpretation handed down by the Supreme Court.

That is all I am saying.

The "interpretation" was based on decades of writings from the founding fathers.

251 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:59:04pm

re: #247 michael78244

And what would George Washington have to say on the subject? If you are going to ask about intent, you should ask the man who could have been king.

He's dead, Jim.

252 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:59:07pm

re: #247 michael78244

Washington was not very involved in the writing of the Constitution, you know.

253 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:59:14pm

re: #239 Ojoe

That is not, IMHO, what they want; they want their church to BE the state.

BBL

(tomorrow)

I know. What they don't understand is it results in exactly what i said...

254 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:59:31pm

re: #238 michael78244

Sigh. Separation of Church and State was a Justice Black invention. It didn't exist before then.

I call bullshit.

255 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:59:53pm

re: #247 michael78244

And what would George Washington have to say on the subject? If you are going to ask about intent, you should ask the man who could have been king.

Was he the primary drafter of the Constitution? Boy, we really do need to have a refresher, don't we...

256 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:00:00pm

re: #239 Ojoe

That is not, IMHO, what they want; they want their church to BE the state.

There it is.

257 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:00:02pm

BUt I need to send one other special shout out to Snork. He felt left out.

I was informed I am afraid of how he would demolish me. Now why would I be afraid of an overweight high school dropout?

258 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:00:08pm

re: #252 Obdicut

gmta...

259 Lidane  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:00:33pm

re: #242 Gus 802

Something to read:

U.S. Constitution: First Amendment

Pfft. You and your pesky facts. Bringing them up only gets in the way of the "America is a Christian nation" meme.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:01:11pm

re: #202 michael78244

So, that is my point. It is not a part of the establishmen clause, it is an interpretation handed down by the Supreme Court.

That is all I am saying.

What do you think the Establishment Clause means? Madison thought it meant it would be improper to appoint chaplains to Congress. What do YOU think?

261 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:01:24pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Do you use the Federalist Papers to help determine Original Intent? If so, then this note should also be considered.

This was my next post.

You can't make the argument that Jefferson's letter doesn't matter then turn around and defend original intent with the Federalist Papers.

GMAT

262 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:01:25pm

re: #218 michael78244

Why does it matter what they have to say on the subject? That is the same as saying the Bill Clinton has the same say on the subject. What was written in a personal letter is not binding in law.

What about what was written in binding law, by our founding fathers?

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

263 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:01:31pm

re: #238 michael78244

Sigh. Separation of Church and State was a Justice Black invention. It didn't exist before then.

do you think that Madison didn't really write what i posted?

264 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:01:45pm

re: #251 MandyManners

He's dead, Jim.

But in your movie, he comes back to life and saves the tea tay day, right?

265 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:01:49pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

Right case, but wrong attitude. Prayers were a norm in congress and in schools and in court rooms before this. How could there have been a wall of separation between church and state and so much God in state business?

What is commonly referred to now when anyone wants to do anything like put a cross up in a national cemetary (oh the horror!)?

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:02:35pm

re: #214 michael78244

Ahem ...

A note, whether it was written by Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin, or pick your favorite old dude, does NOT over ride the constitution of the U.S. It also should not carry any legal weight at all.

What do YOU think the Constitution says, and DO you understand that the SCOTUS kind of exists for the purpose of figuring out what it says?

267 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:02:53pm

re: #265 michael78244

Why can't you answer any questions?

Again:

What force did Justice Black's decision have? What changed because of that decision?

268 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:03:08pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

The monkeys are taking over the zoo.

Everything we need to know about a particular monkey in question can be found in this post of his:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

269 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:03:09pm

re: #218 michael78244

Why does it matter what they have to say on the subject?

Listen, Troll From Texas, what matters is that a great many greater people than you have spent much time on this issue, and you are still just a troll.

Nevertheless you amuse at slow moments in the ether, so carry on.

270 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:03:14pm

re: #265 michael78244

Right case, but wrong attitude. Prayers were a norm in congress and in schools and in court rooms before this. How could there have been a wall of separation between church and state and so much God in state business?

What is commonly referred to now when anyone wants to do anything like put a cross up in a national cemetary (oh the horror!)?

Where can I buy a case of the idiot juice you're drinking?

271 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:03:36pm

re: #227 Ojoe

re: #235 Surabaya Stew

Thanks for the input!

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:03:45pm

re: #218 michael78244

Why does it matter what they have to say on the subject? That is the same as saying the Bill Clinton has the same say on the subject. What was written in a personal letter is not binding in law.

What the Constitution says is. And what the Supreme Court of the United States says is.

And the SCOTUS has, in fact, been known to turn to the writings of those men who wrote the Constitution, in order to discern their intent. You fucking moron.

273 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:06pm

re: #268 freetoken

Whoo hoo, I'm the lone downding on that post!

274 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:17pm

re: #265 michael78244

Heh, I get them impression that if this country wasn't majority Christian, you'd be singing a different tune...

275 drcordell  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:36pm

re: #234 Aceofwhat?

I know what Nicea was. You said it's what has been happening SINCE Nicea.

So please. Inquiring minds want to know just how many pages have been razored out of the bible since Nicea, you being the expert and all.

If you're looking for some sort of precise answer I don't really know what to tell you? But clearly there have been edits at every step of the way. From Constantine, to Pope Innocent, to Martin Luther, they have all left their imprints on the bible. It's always been an inherently political document.

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:37pm

re: #223 michael78244

A personal letter is not law.

Decisions of the Supreme Court, however...

277 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:50pm

re: #268 freetoken

Everything we need to know about a particular monkey in question can be found in this post of his:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He didn't come from no monkey!

278 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:50pm

re: #274 Varek Raith

Heh, I get them impression that if this country wasn't majority Christian, you'd be singing a different tune...

FAIL, I DO.

279 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:04:58pm

re: #255 Aceofwhat?

OK, if TJ had wanted a "wall of separation" why didn't he just explicitly say it in the constitution? Why "beat around the bush" and let it be interpretted years later?

280 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:05:13pm

re: #268 freetoken

Everything we need to know about a particular monkey in question can be found in this post of his:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Mmmm, creationist rat troll. I'll go get the charcoal ready, we might need it tonight.

281 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #265 michael78244

Right case, but wrong attitude. Prayers were a norm in congress and in schools and in court rooms before this. How could there have been a wall of separation between church and state and so much God in state business?

What is commonly referred to now when anyone wants to do anything like put a cross up in a national cemetary (oh the horror!)?

Ah, now it's clear. You have found some exceptions which you dislike, ergo Madison was really just kidding all along about envisioning separation between church and state.

Your perfect is killing your good. I'm here all week. Tip the blogmaster...

282 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:05:48pm

re: #271 prairiefire

It is still a number of years away, but I'm starting to fell verklempt thinking about her leaving the nest.

283 jaunte  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:05:48pm

re: #270 Cato the Elder

Where can I buy a case of the idiot juice you're drinking?

Looks like it's available in San Antonio.

284 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:05:54pm

re: #268 freetoken

Everything we need to know about a particular monkey in question can be found in this post of his:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

yikes

285 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:05:57pm

re: #265 michael78244

Right case, but wrong attitude. Prayers were a norm in congress and in schools and in court rooms before this. How could there have been a wall of separation between church and state and so much God in state business?

Because no one gave a shit what the non-gottoasayadamnprayerbeforeverydamnmeeting Americans thought about it?
Sucks when the minority begins to speaks up to remind folks what the Constitution says.

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:05:57pm

re: #238 michael78244

Sigh. Separation of Church and State was a Justice Black invention. It didn't exist before then.

The concept was founded and exists in the first amendment. That you refuse to see this fact does nothing to make it cease being a fact.

287 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:00pm

re: #279 michael78244

Again:

What force did Justice Black's decision have? What changed because of that decision?

You seem to have trouble with this, so I'll answer for you:

The answer is, of course, that almost nothing changed, because there had been a separation of church and state from the beginning of United States.

288 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:02pm

re: #279 michael78244

OK, if TJ had wanted a "wall of separation" why didn't he just explicitly say it in the constitution? Why "beat around the bush" and let it be interpretted years later?

Why won't you answer my question in No. 245?

289 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:21pm

re: #279 michael78244

OK, if TJ had wanted a "wall of separation" why didn't he just explicitly say it in the constitution? Why "beat around the bush" and let it be interpretted years later?

Because he was smarter than you.

290 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:42pm

re: #252 Obdicut

Washington was not very involved in the writing of the Constitution, you know.

But...he's Sarah Palin's favorite Founder!

This is ridiculous.

291 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:44pm

re: #279 michael78244

OK, if TJ had wanted a "wall of separation" why didn't he just explicitly say it in the constitution? Why "beat around the bush" and let it be interpretted years later?

How much clearer could the writers have been in the those clauses?

292 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:51pm

re: #288 MandyManners

Why won't you answer my question in No. 245?

He has trouble with questions.

293 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:06:57pm

re: #279 michael78244

OK, if TJ had wanted a "wall of separation" why didn't he just explicitly say it in the constitution? Why "beat around the bush" and let it be interpretted years later?

Well the whole Establishment Clause is pretty clear, and then at the time he was really clear about what it meant too in dozens of other writings so that folks like you wouldn't be able to confuse things.

294 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:05pm

re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, the Supreme Court was kind of an after thought and usurped power during the time of TJ. Jefferson's thoughts on that subject are quite clear in that he thought congress (being responsible to the people) should have the last say.

295 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:11pm

re: #275 drcordell

If you're looking for some sort of precise answer I don't really know what to tell you? But clearly there have been edits at every step of the way. From Constantine, to Pope Innocent, to Martin Luther, they have all left their imprints on the bible. It's always been an inherently political document.

i.e. you have no clue. like i originally said.

it's just easier to let someone's factual statement stand than to go through this rigamarole over and over again, isn't it?

296 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:22pm

re: #277 Charles

BTW, your Google karma must be very high, as the True/Slant version of this thread was very, very quickly available by a Google search right after posting.

297 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:23pm

re: #277 Charles

He didn't come from no monkey!

"I don't much about his ancestors, but mine didn't swing from a tree!"

Actually, Mike, your ancestor fell out of the tree and landed on his head. That helps to explain you.

298 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:42pm

re: #292 Obdicut

He has trouble with questions.

He has his knickers in a twist over a few words.

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:07:49pm

re: #255 Aceofwhat?

Was he the primary drafter of the Constitution? Boy, we really do need to have a refresher, don't we...

No shit.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:08:01pm

re: #238 michael78244

Sigh. Separation of Church and State was a Justice Black invention. It didn't exist before then.

That is untrue.

301 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:08:16pm

re: #279 michael78244

OK, if TJ had wanted a "wall of separation" why didn't he just explicitly say it in the constitution? Why "beat around the bush" and let it be interpretted years later?

I don't have trouble understanding it. You do, apparently, but they didn't write the Constitution for the lowest common denominator...sorry...

302 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:08:25pm

re: #279 michael78244

OK, if TJ had wanted a "wall of separation" why didn't he just explicitly say it in the constitution? Why "beat around the bush" and let it be interpretted years later?

Because he never imagined there would be folks who were unable to understand what he wrote.

303 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:08:29pm

re: #294 michael78244

Actually, the Supreme Court was kind of an after thought and usurped power during the time of TJ. Jefferson's thoughts on that subject are quite clear in that he thought congress (being responsible to the people) should have the last say.

Wait!! Did he write that in a letter to someone?

304 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:08:45pm

re: #275 drcordell

If you're looking for some sort of precise answer I don't really know what to tell you? But clearly there have been edits at every step of the way. From Constantine, to Pope Innocent, to Martin Luther, they have all left their imprints on the bible. It's always been an inherently political document.

Like the Hamas charter?

305 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:09:00pm

re: #214 michael78244

Ahem ...

A note, whether it was written by Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin, or pick your favorite old dude, does NOT over ride the constitution of the U.S. It also should not carry any legal weight at all.

The fact that those old dudes wrote the constitution has no weight for you ? How many quote about their opinion would you like ? We've covered Jefferson, how about Madison ?

"After retiring from the presidency, Madison wrote of "total separation of the church from the state." "Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States," Madison wrote, and he declared, "practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States"

306 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:09:22pm

re: #294 michael78244

Michael, when everyone from MandyManners to Obdicut says you're wrong, you might want to rethink your position.

307 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:09:22pm

re: #271 prairiefire

re: #235 Surabaya Stew

Thanks for the input!

You're welcome; would also like to mention that a degree in Architecture (or even a couple of years in the core classes) can be a fantastic gateway to other careers should your daughter change her mind. Some of the most successful people I went to school with (walked in 1999, BTW) haven't drawn a line in 15 years!

308 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:09:52pm

re: #277 Charles

Hi Chuck. Taking the "high road" again? You can't debate me and so you bring up old posts that you don't like?

Very sad, Chuck. Very sad.

309 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:09:59pm

re: #305 avanti

The fact that those old dudes wrote the constitution has no weight for you ? How many quote about their opinion would you like ? We've covered Jefferson, how about Madison ?

"After retiring from the presidency, Madison wrote of "total separation of the church from the state." "Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States," Madison wrote, and he declared, "practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States"

Doesn't matter. He didn't use those exact words.

310 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:10pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

Michael, when everyone from MandyManners to Obdicut says you're wrong, you might want to rethink your position.

Rethink implies a first think.

311 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:28pm

Are the coals ready yet, DF?

312 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:32pm

Oops!!

313 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:50pm

I think I know where michael78244 is coming from. You see, he's referring to the Constition.
Image: 20100415LegalizeConstition.jpg
;)

314 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:50pm

re: #308 michael78244

Hi Chuck. Taking the "high road" again? You can't debate me and so you bring up old posts that you don't like?

Very sad, Chuck. Very sad.

"Chuck"?

Fire up the grill, Falcon!

315 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:10:59pm

re: #308 michael78244

Look, asshole. Charles didn't post it. Freetoken did.

316 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:19pm

re: #308 michael78244

You a sock???

317 jaunte  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:20pm

Monkey see no evidence.

318 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:24pm

Reading is fundamental.

319 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:28pm

re: #308 michael78244

Who's Chuck?

320 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:32pm

re: #308 michael78244

You're an asshole.

321 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:33pm

re: #308 michael78244

Hi Chuck. Taking the "high road" again? You can't debate me and so you bring up old posts that you don't like?

Very sad, Chuck. Very sad.

can you blame him? i'm handing your ass to you and there are seven other people in line with questions you can't answer...why should Charles waste his time?

322 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:47pm

Come on people!

Whatshisname is going for the record downdings to go back to brag somewhere.

Why are you feeding the troll?

323 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:11:57pm

re: #177 LudwigVanQuixote

Now I really don't get that.

I mean I really do not get how people could find her attractive.

She could demand that I drill here and drill now all she wanted and I am afraid I simply could not be attracted.

Forget the rule about I don't date psycho chicks and the rule that I don't date anti-American, ignorant, stuck up, opportunistic, twits.

Forget even that she defines shiksa in a way I can not begin to explain.

There is the simple fact that she really is not that cute and it seems that there are lots of gun lovers stroking their barrels to her, and I just don't get it. What exactly is the attraction?

She is just like Ann Coulter, only less intelligent, less skinny and without the Adam's apple.

324 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:12:07pm

re: #277 Charles

He didn't come from no monkey!

He'd be correct on that without actually knowing why, sadly.

325 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:12:23pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

"Chuck"?

Fire up the grill, Falcon!

What do you think about a mesquite rub?

326 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:12:49pm

re: #311 freetoken

Are the coals ready yet, DF?

re: #314 Cato the Elder

"Chuck"?

Fire up the grill, Falcon!

I'll get the fire going. The troll just spewed. I expect Charles to brian the ugly thing shortly.

327 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:12:53pm

Jon Stewart just beat out Doctor Cox's "He got the payback" segment from Scrubs for best use of a Gospel Quire....

328 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:00pm

re: #322 Naso Tang

Come on people!

Whatshisname is going for the record downdings to go back to brag somewhere.

Why are you feeding the troll?

He's hungwy.

329 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:11pm

re: #325 Aceofwhat?

What do you think about a mesquite rub?

Smoke with Cherry wood.

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:17pm

re: #247 michael78244

And what would George Washington have to say on the subject? If you are going to ask about intent, you should ask the man who could have been king.

Well, I could argue with that, but since you ask:

Government being, among other purposes, instituted to protect the consciences of men from oppression, it is certainly the duty of Rulers, not only to abstain from it themselves, but according to their stations, to prevent it in others. (To the Quaker community)

It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it was by the indulgence of one class of the people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that those who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it, on all occasions, their effectual support. (To the Touro Synagogue's congregation)

Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society. (To Edward Newenham)

In the Enlightened Age and in this Land of equal Liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States. (To the New Chuch in Baltimore)

331 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:19pm

Waiting for the screen to "jump".

332 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:22pm

This is whenre: #322 Naso Tang

Come on people!

Whatshisname is going for the record downdings to go back to brag somewhere.

Why are you feeding the troll?

Cause I'm bored?
Plus I always love a good smack down on the folks who want to claim that there is not "separation of church and state".

333 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:30pm

re: #322 Naso Tang

A) I don't think he's anywhere close

B) It never hurts to post the letters, facts, and other issues regarding our constitution. The more people read them, the more often, the better.

334 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:47pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

I'll get the fire going. The troll just spewed. I expect Charles to brian the ugly thing shortly.

Crucify him while singing a jolly song, as in "Life of Brian"?

335 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:53pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

I'll get the fire going. The troll just spewed. I expect Charles to brian the ugly thing shortly.

Maybe he'll forbear and let us have some playtime first.

336 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:13:54pm

re: #282 prairiefire

It is still a number of years away, but I'm starting to fell verklempt thinking about her leaving the nest.

Don't feel bad; if she has a good work ethic, Architecture will work out well. For slackers (such as myself), the regimen of an Architecture program served to create a good work ethic where none existed prior! Looking like a win-win scenario....

337 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:03pm

re: #325 Aceofwhat?

May I recommend my new Loquat sauce? I've been foraging loquats from the neighborhood. Loquats have an intense flavor, like mixing a green apple and a bartlett pear. I think it will go well with roast troll.

338 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:06pm

re: #325 Aceofwhat?

What do you think about a mesquite rub?

Sounds nice. I'm always willing to see if the troll roast can be made to yield better flavor.

339 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:33pm

re: #334 Alouette

Crucify him while singing a jolly song, as in "Life of Brian"?

...always look on the briiight side of life...

340 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:47pm

re: #331 Cannadian Club Akbar

Waiting for the screen to "jump".

I'm waiting for him to stomp his widdle foot.

341 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:53pm

re: #334 Alouette

Crucify him while singing a jolly song, as in "Life of Brian"?

"Life's a piece of shit, when you look at it." Heh.

342 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:14:57pm

re: #308 michael78244

What's sad is that you aren't even that good as a troll. I'll have a glass of red to toast your passing.

343 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:15:13pm

re: #279 michael78244

OK, if TJ had wanted a "wall of separation" why didn't he just explicitly say it in the constitution? Why "beat around the bush" and let it be interpretted years later?

This is the same kind of weasel worded pretzel logic people use to try to claim the second amendment does not give American citizens the right to own firearms.

I am not impressed with your weak attempts.

344 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:15:19pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

Sounds nice. I'm always willing to see if the troll roast can be made to yield better flavor.

Well, as all cooks know, a "chuck" roast needs tenderizing.

Somebody get the clue-bat.

345 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:15:20pm

re: #330 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I could argue with that, but since you ask:
Hold the phone!


Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society. (To Edward Newenham)

Sarah, no, you've been fooled into supporting someone who likes liberals!

It always helps to remember that our founding fathers were radical, far-left liberals.

346 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:15:39pm

re: #265 michael78244

Right case, but wrong attitude. Prayers were a norm in congress and in schools and in court rooms before this. How could there have been a wall of separation between church and state and so much God in state business?

What is commonly referred to now when anyone wants to do anything like put a cross up in a national cemetary (oh the horror!)?

You can put crosses or what ever on every grave at a national cometary. You just can't put one outside a cemetery containing the graves of all the faiths or lack thereof. A perfect example of why we need a wall. Would you feel the same about a Muslim crescent outside ?

347 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:15:55pm

re: #337 freetoken

May I recommend my new Loquat sauce? I've been foraging loquats from the neighborhood. Loquats have an intense flavor, like mixing a green apple and a bartlett pear. I think it will go well with roast troll.

mmm. i like that idea. they can be gamey, so an intense sauce may go farther to modulate the taste...

348 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:16:27pm

You know what gets me? Everyone so fricking scared of an Islamic America, while we have the real thing brewing, right here and now. Home grown.

349 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:16:30pm

re: #315 MandyManners

Mandy! What happened to your manners? Someone doesn't agree with you and so you resort to name calling? Have I done that any where?

Tsk, tsk.

350 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:16:33pm

re: #343 Slumbering Behemoth

This is the same kind of weasel worded pretzel logic people use to try to claim the second amendment does not give American citizens the right to own firearms.

I am not impressed with your weak attempts.

Right, the SCOTUS invented that...didn't you hear/

351 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:16:33pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

I'll get the fire going. The troll just spewed. I expect Charles to brain the ugly thing shortly.

PIMF

352 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:17:02pm

re: #349 michael78244

Maka~ CHOP!!!
Image: 300px-Maka_Chop.jpg

353 soap_man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:17:03pm

Oh please. This is an obvious plant. Come on Charles, you know you sent this to yourself to make Palin supporters/Tea Party people look like ignorant assholes.

///

354 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:17:14pm

re: #349 michael78244

Mandy! What happened to your manners? Someone doesn't agree with you and so you resort to name calling? Have I done that any where?

Tsk, tsk.

yep. "Chuck"

but you knew that, trou du cul.

355 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:17:23pm

re: #308 michael78244

Oh brother. Nuke it, I say.

356 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:17:29pm

re: #322 Naso Tang

Come on people!

Whatshisname is going for the record downdings to go back to brag somewhere.

Why are you feeding the troll?

To make him more tasty ?

357 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:17:37pm

re: #346 avanti

You can put crosses or what ever on every grave at a national cometary. You just can't put one outside a cemetery containing the graves of all the faiths or lack thereof. A perfect example of why we need a wall. Would you feel the same about a Muslim crescent outside ?

Tsk, tsk.
Logic so harshes the narrative....

358 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:03pm

re: #323 Alouette

She is just like Ann Coulter, only less intelligent, less skinny and without the Adam's apple.

Ann "perfect me please" Coulter I can understand how some would be attracted to... While it is not my style, there are quite a few men who always wanted to make it with a pre-op transsexual.

359 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:03pm

re: #294 michael78244

Actually, the Supreme Court was kind of an after thought and usurped power during the time of TJ. Jefferson's thoughts on that subject are quite clear in that he thought congress (being responsible to the people) should have the last say.

Oh, Lord, what did I do in a past life that I should be infested with this?

Kiddo, answer my question or hold your peace. What do YOU think the Establishment Clause means? I haven't got time this evening to deal with your paranoia about the Supreme Court.

360 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:11pm

re: #322 Naso Tang

Yes, let us not have a rational discussion. Let us call each other names when our opinions are not followed.

361 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:34pm

re: #356 avanti

To make him more tasty ?

heh. exactly. one foie gras, please!

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:36pm

re: #302 webevintage

Because he never imagined there would be folks who were unable to understand what he wrote.

Not unable. Unwilling.

363 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:49pm
Actually, the Supreme Court was kind of an after thought and usurped power during the time of TJ. Jefferson's thoughts on that subject are quite clear in that he thought congress (being responsible to the people) should have the last say.

I love how the 3rd co-equal branch "usurped power."

And I'm still waiting for how you know Jefferson's thoughts without referring to something like, oh, I don't know....A LETTER!?!?!?

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:54pm

re: #349 michael78244

Mandy! What happened to your manners? Someone doesn't agree with you and so you resort to name calling? Have I done that any where?

Tsk, tsk.


You trolls always whine about how your penis hurts when you get shut down, never fails

365 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:18:59pm

re: #349 michael78244

Mandy! What happened to your manners? Someone doesn't agree with you and so you resort to name calling? Have I done that any where?

Tsk, tsk.

Mandy has no manners - that's the joke in her nick.

She does, however, have marginally more brains than you.

366 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:19:08pm

re: #359 SanFranciscoZionist

I second that.

michael78244-- what is the purpose of that clause? What was the intended weight and effect?

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:19:13pm

re: #303 Girth

Wait!! Did he write that in a letter to someone?

And if so, why didn't he just put it right in the Constitution, in plain language?

368 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:19:21pm

Just for the record, actually reading the (selected) writings of Thomas Jefferson would be very helpful in understanding how he thought.

(Selected because reading everything he wrote would be a lifetime's study. A nice cross-selection should do it. I recommend The Library of America's version. Let me just chuck it at the screen here to see if it does any good.)

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:19:45pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

Michael, when everyone from MandyManners to Obdicut says you're wrong, you might want to rethink your position.

Yeah. This guy may pull a Buck.

370 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:20:10pm

re: #307 Surabaya Stew

Oh, you are young! How has the big bad world treated you since graduation? I have an architect friend who has had to cut 8 people from his design staff due to slow business.
He was able to earn his degree through hours worked on the job, not course work. i don't think that option is available now.

371 michael78244  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:20:10pm

re: #346 avanti

A Muslim cresant doesn't bother me.

372 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:20:19pm

re: #349 michael78244

Keep frenzying, troll. It enhances the flavor when we grill your Gamey Buttocks.

373 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:20:22pm

re: #365 Cato the Elder

Mandy has no manners - that's the joke in her nick.

She does, however, have marginally more brains than you.

Whoa Cato. That must've hurt to post that. I had no idea you had it in you.

374 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:20:39pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. This guy may pull a Buck.

The full ten!

375 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:21:04pm

re: #365 Cato the Elder

Mandy has no manners - that's the joke in her nick.

She does, however, have marginally more brains than you.

If you compared the trolls brain to Mandy's, his would be like a BB rolling down a super highway.

376 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:21:26pm

re: #360 michael78244

Yes, let us not have a rational discussion. Let us call each other names when our opinions are not followed.

you'll notice the names started in response to your insults, not to precede your insults.

conard

377 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:21:33pm

re: #350 Aceofwhat?

Right, the SCOTUS invented that...didn't you hear/

ACTIVIST JUDGES HATE AMERICA

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:21:41pm

re: #322 Naso Tang

Come on people!

Whatshisname is going for the record downdings to go back to brag somewhere.

Why are you feeding the troll?

I having fun. There's even a song for this thread.

379 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:21:57pm

re: #328 MandyManners

He's hungwy.

Not as hungwy as some. We need a new thread.

380 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:05pm

re: #358 LudwigVanQuixote

Ann "perfect me please" Coulter I can understand how some would be attracted to... While it is not my style, there are quite a few men who always wanted to make it with a pre-op transsexual.

Coulter is too damn bony. I find Palin better looking. Not that it's saying much. I think a lot of her male supporters find her "hot" simply because they like what she says. I mean if she were a raging liberal she'd be just another "feminazi" to Rush and his crowd of idiots.

381 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:05pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Ludwig, you do realize that if he ever finds out who you are you will be in trouble, don't you? At a minimum, he could send the stuff you've said about him to your employer.

Like what? That he is a drunk genocide loving blight on the planet? My employers would take one look at him and add their own colorful language.

If anyone's employer were to receive examples of writing, it would be a certain organic farm.

382 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:07pm

re: #375 avanti

If you compared the trolls brain to Mandy's, his would be like a BB rolling down a super highway.

If you shoved this troll's brain up a rat's ass, it would rattle around like a dried pea in a garbage can.

383 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:10pm

re: #349 michael78244

Mandy! What happened to your manners? Someone doesn't agree with you and so you resort to name calling? Have I done that any where?

Tsk, tsk.

You lied about Charles while using a diminutive which you are not entitled to use.

384 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:12pm

Leave Mandy alone, Cato.

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:16pm

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

Smoke with Cherry wood.

In honor of Washington.

386 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:18pm

re: #371 michael78244

A Muslim cresant doesn't bother me.

So perhaps a lottery for faith of the day from the founders ?

387 webevintage  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:22:21pm

Well this was fun, but time to go watch my TIVO'd LOST and hope no one important dies or gets blown up because they slung a bag of dynamite to the ground.
sheesh, shocker...

388 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:00pm

re: #359 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, Lord, what did I do in a past life that I should be infested with this?

Kiddo, answer my question or hold your peace. What do YOU think the Establishment Clause means? I haven't got time this evening to deal with your paranoia about the Supreme Court.

SFZ, I have never felt more a kindred spirit to you. Welcome to the world of teaching science!

389 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:12pm

re: #386 avanti

"Come on, Ishtar!"

390 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:14pm

re: #370 prairiefire

Oh, you are young! How has the big bad world treated you since graduation? I have an architect friend who has had to cut 8 people from his design staff due to slow business.
He was able to earn his degree through hours worked on the job, not course work. i don't think that option is available now.

Well, after nearly a year of being unemployed, I have recently found steady freelance work; 40 hours a week to be exact! Architecture always gets hammered in recessions, but buildings have to keep on getting built or repaired....

391 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:20pm

re: #382 Cato the Elder

If you shoved this troll's brain up a rat's ass, it would rattle around like a dried pea in a garbage can.

If brains were dynamite, he could not blow his nose.

392 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:21pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. This guy may pull a Buck.

The difference is that Buck didn't start flinging insults when he was losing. He got downdinged, but he kept it together. This guy is just doing the Butthurt Fandango. The next step in the dance is for him to get booted out on his ass by Charles. After which he'll go over to the Stalker Blog and seeth about what a "tyrant" Charles is.

393 jaunte  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:21pm

re: #377 WindUpBird

"Activist Judges... Hating America Since Marbury v. Madison."
// //

394 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:23:40pm

re: #360 michael78244

Yes, let us not have a rational discussion. Let us call each other names when our opinions are not followed.

You don't know how to have a rational discussion.

395 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:24:27pm

re: #371 michael78244

A Muslim cresant doesn't bother me.

Crescent.

396 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:24:30pm

It's history now! Woot!

397 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:24:36pm

re: #365 Cato the Elder

Mandy has no manners - that's the joke in her nick.

She does, however, have marginally more brains than you.

C'mon Cato now you are just picking on her.

398 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:24:56pm

re: #379 Naso Tang

Not as hungwy as some. We need a new thread.

You're no fun.

399 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:25:17pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. This guy may pull a Buck.

He's just about there right now.

400 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:25:27pm

re: #384 prairiefire

Leave Mandy alone, Cato.

Eh. He's on permanent GAZE for me.

401 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:25:31pm

re: #396 Gus 802

Good riddance.

I would love for someone like him to one day answer SFZ's question: Just what the fuck do they think the establishment clause was for, exactly? Decoration?

402 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:25:32pm

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

The difference is that Buck didn't start flinging insults when he was losing. He got downdinged, but he kept it together. This guy is just doing the Butthurt Fandango. The next step in the dance is for him to get booted out on his ass by Charles. After which he'll go over to the Stalker Blog and seeth about what a "tyrant" Charles is.

I suspect he's just on a short vacation from the there and will go back to a standing ovation for his incredible skills of debate.

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:26:48pm

re: #360 michael78244

Yes, let us not have a rational discussion. Let us call each other names when our opinions are not followed.

My dear young man (man?), you are not offering a rational debate. You have come with a completely ridiculous statement that you cannot back up, and now you're being crabby, and revealing your socky trollness all over the place.

404 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:26:58pm

re: #384 prairiefire

Leave Mandy alone, Cato.

No.

405 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:27:00pm

re: #396 Gus 802

It's history now! Woot!

Yep. The fire was already going. The troll roast will be served in 20 minutes. Please place any beverage or side dish orders now.

406 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:27:35pm

He ran away...

407 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:27:48pm

re: #404 Cato the Elder

No.

why?

408 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:27:50pm

re: #400 MandyManners

Eh. He's on permanent GAZE for me.

But I'm still watchin' you.

409 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:00pm

re: #402 avanti

I suspect he's just on a short vacation from the there and will go back to a standing ovation for his incredible skills of debate.

Well, Charles just handed him his Flouncing Papers.

410 joecitizen  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:12pm

re: #404 Cato the Elder

Punk.

411 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:16pm

Rather he was run off lol

412 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:23pm

You know, this is both awesome and sad at the same time.

It's great, it's wonderful to see the knowledge of our nation's history, laws, constitution, treaties, the colorful personalities that made it what it is, etc. I hadn't seen those Washington quotes before. It's a rare privilege to be amongst such folk as you.

And that's the damn problem. It's a rare privilege. It shouldn't be. Especially amongst those who are most angry, most fired up about the current state of things: they should know their constitution like the back of their hand.

Still, I'm glad that you guys exist, if only to show that knowledge of history and law spans across political philosophies.

413 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:26pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Yep. The fire was already going. The troll roast will be served in 20 minutes. Please place any beverage or side dish orders now.

I'll have a Guinness. Salad, corn on the cob and some coleslaw.

/

414 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:54pm

re: #410 joecitizen

Punk.

[bows elaborately]

415 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:28:55pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Yep. The fire was already going. The troll roast will be served in 20 minutes. Please place any beverage or side dish orders now.

gin/tonic, please...and a side of lobster mashed potatoes...

416 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:29:16pm

re: #371 michael78244

A Muslim cresant doesn't bother me.

OK. How far can the Muslims go? What if they want to inscribe a nice quotation from the Koran on City Hall? What if they want a muezzin for Congress? What, in other words, do you think the standard should be for including organized religious activity in public life?

417 joecitizen  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:29:30pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder

Stalker punk.

418 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:29:32pm

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Coulter is too damn bony. I find Palin better looking. Not that it's saying much. I think a lot of her male supporters find her "hot" simply because they like what she says. I mean if she were a raging liberal she'd be just another "feminazi" to Rush and his crowd of idiots.

That is so interesting then. I suppose they go for the girl they are confident that they can outwit.

"Feminazis" piss off guys like Rush "The Sausage" Limbaugh because not only are they much smarter and better educated than he is, but they will quite seriously threaten to shove that cigar up his fat ass. He has absolutely no chance. The woman is smarter, completely unimpressed and she can easily kick his fat ass.

Palin on the other hand is no real threat at all, unless you are in a moose costume.

419 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:29:46pm

re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist

r-u-n-n-o-f-t

420 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:30:03pm

re: #415 Aceofwhat?

gin/tonic, please...and a side of lobster mashed potatoes...

What a horrible thing. First you boil the lobster alive, then you bury it inside a mess of tubers?

Feh.

421 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:30:13pm

re: #418 LudwigVanQuixote

That is so interesting then. I suppose they go for the girl they are confident that they can outwit.

"Feminazis" piss off guys like Rush "The Sausage" Limbaugh because not only are they much smarter and better educated than he is, but they will quite seriously threaten to shove that cigar up his fat ass. He has absolutely no chance. The woman is smarter, completely unimpressed and she can easily kick his fat ass.

Palin on the other hand is no real threat at all, unless you are in a moose costume.

She's the one who shot Sarah Jessica Parker

422 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:30:29pm

re: #417 joecitizen

Stalker punk.

[bows elaborately]

423 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:30:30pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

What do you do, wait for it to die of natural causes?

424 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:30:45pm

But I have an insult I just made up.

*Pouts*

Going to give it anyway:

If reality were a country, he'd need a green card.

425 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:30:49pm

re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh look, a crescent tattoo just appeared on my ankle. How did that get there?

426 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:31:16pm

re: #423 Obdicut

What do you do, wait for it to die of natural causes?

Boil it and eat it as it was meant to be eaten.

427 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:31:21pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

I having fun. There's even a song for this thread.

That was fun. Wish I could be so fast on the trigger with videos, and my atheist Christmas tree looks a lot better that that store bought one. I even have a soft spot for Gene Autry.

Just remember no more lumps of coal for trolls, as my grand dady in Sweden used to say.

428 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:31:31pm

re: #423 Obdicut

What do you do, wait for it to die of natural causes?

Can a lobster get the crabs?

/

429 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:31:34pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

What a horrible thing. First you boil the lobster alive, then you bury it inside a mess of tubers?

Feh.

as a side dish to fresh grilled meat? absolutely!

430 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:11pm

re: #422 Cato the Elder

[bows elaborately]

Tua mater calligas gerit!
.
.
.
.
(That come out right???)

431 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:12pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder

But I'm still watchin' you.

Both hands on the keyboard!

432 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:16pm

re: #412 Obdicut

You know, this is both awesome and sad at the same time.

It's great, it's wonderful to see the knowledge of our nation's history, laws, constitution, treaties, the colorful personalities that made it what it is, etc. I hadn't seen those Washington quotes before. It's a rare privilege to be amongst such folk as you.

And that's the damn problem. It's a rare privilege. It shouldn't be. Especially amongst those who are most angry, most fired up about the current state of things: they should know their constitution like the back of their hand.

Still, I'm glad that you guys exist, if only to show that knowledge of history and law spans across political philosophies.

Indeed! Always good to sharpen your history skills.

Summer really pegged it when she mentioned holocaust deniers and Establishment Clause revisionists are two of the same breed. And I don't generally like to link holocaust denial with much of anything, but revisionist history is dangerous in any form.

433 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:16pm

re: #421 Alouette

She's the one who shot Sarah Jessica Parker

??? I am not up on sex in the city lore, could you please elaborate?

434 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:17pm

re: #401 Obdicut

I would love for someone like him to one day answer SFZ's question: Just what the fuck do they think the establishment clause was for, exactly? Decoration?

There a many I've met who think it gives religious people (only those of their religion) a free pass to shove their religion wherever they like without having to worry about the gov't telling them they can't. This includes shoving it into the gov't as well.

435 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:19pm

re: #426 Cato the Elder

Boil it and eat it as it was meant to be eaten.

It was meant to be eaten by things that live under the ocean.

Cows are up here, and they aren't very bright. God might as well have put an "eat me" sign on them.

436 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:20pm

re: #413 Gus 802

I'll have a Guinness. Salad, corn on the cob and some coleslaw.

/

What sort of dressing do you want? I think Ranch goes best with troll.

re: #415 Aceofwhat?

gin/tonic, please...and a side of lobster mashed potatoes...

What's that?

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:21pm

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

The difference is that Buck didn't start flinging insults when he was losing. He got downdinged, but he kept it together. This guy is just doing the Butthurt Fandango. The next step in the dance is for him to get booted out on his ass by Charles. After which he'll go over to the Stalker Blog and seeth about what a "tyrant" Charles is.

True. Buck was amazingly polite through that entire grand fiasco.

438 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:25pm

re: #424 EmmmieG

But I have an insult I just made up.

*Pouts*

Going to give it anyway:

If reality were a country, he'd need a green card.

the jerk store called! they ran out of you!

(name that reference...)

439 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:41pm

re: #412 Obdicut

You know, this is both awesome and sad at the same time.

It's great, it's wonderful to see the knowledge of our nation's history, laws, constitution, treaties, the colorful personalities that made it what it is, etc. I hadn't seen those Washington quotes before. It's a rare privilege to be amongst such folk as you.

And that's the damn problem. It's a rare privilege. It shouldn't be. Especially amongst those who are most angry, most fired up about the current state of things: they should know their constitution like the back of their hand.

Still, I'm glad that you guys exist, if only to show that knowledge of history and law spans across political philosophies.

Seconded.

And everything you said - it's a big reason why I love it here.
If I want to talk to people with the same opinions I have, I can find them right here at home.

But here at LGF, to have access to the brainpower here - it's something very special.

440 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:32:56pm

re: #418 LudwigVanQuixote

That is so interesting then. I suppose they go for the girl they are confident that they can outwit.

"Feminazis" piss off guys like Rush "The Sausage" Limbaugh because not only are they much smarter and better educated than he is, but they will quite seriously threaten to shove that cigar up his fat ass. He has absolutely no chance. The woman is smarter, completely unimpressed and she can easily kick his fat ass.

Palin on the other hand is no real threat at all, unless you are in a moose costume.

I have no idea man. I thought it was so funny though seeing the segment of the right that had long denied or minimized sexism screaming sexism when Palin was criticized.

441 Soap_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:33:00pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Yep. The fire was already going. The troll roast will be served in 20 minutes. Please place any beverage or side dish orders now.

Bacon, served with a side of bacon. And a little slice of bacon as a garnish. You know, for color.

442 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:33:02pm

re: #398 MandyManners

You're no fun.

Sorry, I was getting serious for a moment. I've had another drink. I'm OK now.

443 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:33:16pm

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

What's that?

Italian dressing. Or simple vinegar and oil.

444 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:33:24pm

re: #433 LudwigVanQuixote

??? I am not up on sex in the city lore, could you please elaborate?

It's a South Park reference.

445 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:33:30pm

re: #429 Aceofwhat?

as a side dish to fresh grilled meat? absolutely!

Feh! And double feh!

The lobster is a dignified crustacean who deserves to be eaten on his own, as a separate dish.

Free the crustaceans!

446 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:33:51pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Yep. The fire was already going. The troll roast will be served in 20 minutes. Please place any beverage or side dish orders now.

Uh Guinness with Pierohi.

447 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:33:56pm

re: #443 Gus 802

Italian dressing. Or simple vinegar and oil.

Done.

448 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:34:02pm

re: #417 joecitizen

Stalker punk.

I wish we'd get a better quality of troll, it's not that much fun having a battle of wits with a unarmed opponent.

449 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:34:09pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder

But I'm still watchin' you.

So are the folks at the deuce-hole, which makes your obsession all the more creepy.

450 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:34:37pm

re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. How far can the Muslims go? What if they want to inscribe a nice quotation from the Koran on City Hall? What if they want a muezzin for Congress? What, in other words, do you think the standard should be for including organized religious activity in public life?

And what was that mention about not allowing a cross in a national cemetery? Who was this guy and where does he get his information I wonder.

451 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:34:41pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

Feh! And double feh!

The lobster is a dignified crustacean who deserves to be eaten on his own, as a separate dish.

Free the crustaceans!

Perhaps with a bit of butter.

452 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:34:41pm

re: #9 Girth

I love how "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" has turned into "if you disagree with me you should move to cuba."

“Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid.
As a nation we began by declaring that ‘all men are created equal.’
When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read ‘all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics.’ When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.” – Abraham Lincoln

453 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:34:45pm

Poor Cato. He needs a new hobby.

454 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:35:03pm

re: #434 Slumbering Behemoth

There a many I've met who think it gives religious people (only those of their religion) a free pass to shove their religion wherever they like without having to worry about the gov't telling them they can't. This includes shoving it into the gov't as well.

which, as i'm sure you agree, is loony. shoving your religion into the gov't rapidly becomes shoving the gov't into your religion...

455 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:35:07pm

re: #442 Naso Tang

Sorry, I was getting serious for a moment. I've had another drink. I'm OK now.

Your goose is loose?

456 mich-again  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:35:12pm

The truth is Thomas Jefferson thought Christians were loons for believing the Gospels as written. Virgin birth, ressurection, faith healing, yeah right. He didn't mince words when he expressed contempt.

As for Calvinists, he compared their version of Christianity to "daemonism". His quotes from 200+ years ago made this all crystal clear. It cracks me up when I hear someone try to say the founding fathers were all Christians. Not by a longshot.

As for a him supporting some sort of theocracy in the USA, thats beyond laughable. Only a supremely ignorant person would even try to peddle that nonsense.

457 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:35:18pm

re: #441 Soap_Man

Bacon, served with a side of bacon. And a little slice of bacon as a garnish. You know, for color.

We got that. I have to cook it separately, though. I'll have it for you, though.

458 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:35:19pm

Passive aggressive thread alert!

459 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:35:39pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

Feh! And double feh!

The lobster is a dignified crustacean who deserves to be eaten on his own, as a separate dish.

Free the crustaceans!

Does Reine still have time to put a page of insults, as opposed to puns, in the next cookbook?

460 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:35:58pm

re: #458 prairiefire

If you say so.

461 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:03pm

Colbert is going off on the teabaggers lol

462 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:10pm

re: #449 Slumbering Behemoth

So are the folks at the deuce-hole, which makes your obsession all the more creepy.

What obsession?

The person in question tried to drive me off this blog when I came out for Obama.

Fail.

I couldn't care less what the deucers say or think.

463 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:16pm

re: #455 MandyManners

Your goose is loose?

Don't test me hon.

464 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:24pm

re: #456 mich-again

The truth is Thomas Jefferson thought Christians were loons for believing the Gospels as written. Virgin birth, ressurection, faith healing, yeah right. He didn't mince words when he expressed contempt.

As for Calvinists, he compared their version of Christianity to "daemonism". His quotes from 200+ years ago made this all crystal clear. It cracks me up when I hear someone try to say the founding fathers were all Christians. Not by a longshot.

As for a him supporting some sort of theocracy in the USA, thats beyond laughable. Only a supremely ignorant person would even try to peddle that nonsense.

But Glenn Beck and that dipshit from Wallbuilders told him so!

465 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:26pm

re: #452 wozzablog

Man that guy could write!

Imagine if Obama used language as harsh as that these days. Everyone would clutch their pearls.

466 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:27pm

Lobster, salad, drinks, roasted troll -

Is this a good time to plug the cookbook again?

For those who may not yet have seen my many many plugs over the past day - please go to the cookbook blog to see the update on Volume 2, AND also vote on how we should distribute the proceeds from the sale.

Thank you.

467 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:34pm

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

What's that?

mashed potatoes cooked and mixed with lobster.

you should try it...if you're in the mood for lobster, have lobster...but if you're having grilled red meat, lobster mashed potatoes are a heavenly side dish, IMHO...

468 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:36:47pm

re: #446 HappyWarrior

Uh Guinness with Pierohi.

Can do. Here's the Guinness...

[slides the glasses down to HW and Gus]

469 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:04pm

re: #459 Naso Tang

Does Reine still have time to put a page of insults, as opposed to puns, in the next cookbook?

My submission:

I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

470 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:06pm

re: #412 Obdicut

Word up and high five! I have learned a great deal from these fine Lizards in my two short years here. I hope to learn even more.

471 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:10pm

re: #453 MandyManners

Poor Cato. He needs a new hobby.

You are not my hobby.

472 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:33pm

re: #459 Naso Tang

Does Reine still have time to put a page of insults, as opposed to puns, in the next cookbook?



Not for Volume 2.

473 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:34pm

re: #450 marjoriemoon

And what was that mention about not allowing a cross in a national cemetery? Who was this guy and where does he get his information I wonder.

Perhaps the same people who told Robertson and company that you can't pray in public schools. I always used to laugh at that since I remember praying quite a bit during the moments of silence in high school especially after 9-11 and after my grandmother died.

474 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:41pm

And for desert!

The Napoleon.

/Makes Homer drooling noises.

/

475 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:45pm

re: #441 Soap_Man

Bacon, served with a side of bacon. And a little slice of bacon as a garnish. You know, for color.

That sounds a lot like this...

Porkgasm

476 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:37:57pm

re: #454 Aceofwhat?

And we know where that ends up!

Image: 250px-God_Emperor_of_Dune_Cover_Art.jpg

477 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:13pm

re: #467 Aceofwhat?

mashed potatoes cooked and mixed with lobster.

you should try it...if you're in the mood for lobster, have lobster...but if you're having grilled red meat, lobster mashed potatoes are a heavenly side dish, IMHO...

No lobster tonight, sorry. But I will look into that dish. thank you for bringing it to my attention.

478 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:26pm

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

Can do. Here's the Guinness...

[slides the glasses down to HW and Gus]

Corellian ale.

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:39pm

re: #440 HappyWarrior

I have no idea man. I thought it was so funny though seeing the segment of the right that had long denied or minimized sexism screaming sexism when Palin was criticized.

The Republican Right found career feminism! It was so cool! They were all, like, "It's so sexist to suggest that a woman can't totally mix having a high-powered career and raise children," and I was like, aw, they're just like I was in 1993 when I took that Feminist Thought class! Rock on little sisters, and male allies!

(Seriously, it was sort of fun to watch.)

480 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:43pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

Feh! And double feh!

The lobster is a dignified crustacean who deserves to be eaten on his own, as a separate dish.

Free the crustaceans!

mon Dieu. the lobster is a dignified crustacean who deserves to be part of a great many meals, not simply the affairs where he is the main course.

we are having troll tonight. lobster would be wonderful tomorrow...i'll bring the gin!

481 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:45pm

re: #463 Naso Tang

Don't test me hon.

Have a good night.

482 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:38:48pm

Okay, you guys made me hungry, so I'm going to go make jerked chicken.

483 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:17pm

re: #465 Obdicut

Man that guy could write!

Imagine if Obama used language as harsh as that these days. Everyone would clutch their pearls.

and don't forget periodic attacks of the vapors...............

484 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:21pm

re: #471 Cato the Elder

You are not my hobby.

She's your obsession, or fantasy.

485 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:26pm

re: #478 Varek Raith

Corellian ale.

In that case I'll have a Romulan ale.

486 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:41pm

re: #450 marjoriemoon

And what was that mention about not allowing a cross in a national cemetery? Who was this guy and where does he get his information I wonder.

I don't know the first part, but the second part is easy:

Fox "volksspiel" news.

Cato help me with the proper German please. You know what I am going for.

487 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:39:52pm

re: #469 Racer X

Sorry my mistake: Puns as insults. Not instead of. (Cato: no comments on the punctuation needed).

488 Soap_Man  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:40:07pm

re: #475 NJDhockeyfan

That sounds a lot like this...

Porkgasm

Whoever wrote/cooked that is my new hero.

489 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:40:11pm

re: #461 marjoriemoon

Colbert is going off on the teabaggers lol

Linky?

490 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:40:53pm

re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote

Linky?

On the telly.

491 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:40:58pm

re: #480 Aceofwhat?

mon Dieu. the lobster is a dignified crustacean who deserves to be part of a great many meals, not simply the affairs where he is the main course.

we are having troll tonight. lobster would be wonderful tomorrow...i'll bring the gin!

Fine. But I'll have my lobster whole, please, and not mixed up with nasty vegetables!

492 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:41:05pm

re: #478 Varek Raith

Corellian ale.

Here you go... [slides the glass down]

493 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:41:28pm

re: #177 LudwigVanQuixote

Now I really don't get that.

I mean I really do not get how people could find her attractive.

She could demand that I drill here and drill now all she wanted and I am afraid I simply could not be attracted.

Forget the rule about I don't date psycho chicks and the rule that I don't date anti-American, ignorant, stuck up, opportunistic, twits.

Forget even that she defines shiksa in a way I can not begin to explain.

There is the simple fact that she really is not that cute and it seems that there are lots of gun lovers stroking their barrels to her, and I just don't get it. What exactly is the attraction?

OK, here goes. On the downside, she's a tad past her prime. But put that aside. No one remains young forever, and she's not a withered crone.
On the downside for some folk, she's unreasonable, shallow, narcissistic, and lacking in gravitas. But then, sex idols are often like that, so we'll put that aside too.

On the upside, she's athletic, intelligent, of sunny disposition, measurements and features in good order, fertile, and heterosexual. That's enough right there to spark a good deal of attraction.

No mystery. A lot of men are wired to figure that any chance at such a woman is all upside, and though sober realism will suggest that if you're one of a multitude of fans the line is so long you have no chance at all even assuming the lady would be willing, which in Palin's case she would not as she is married and by all accounts firmly attached to her husband.

494 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:41:43pm

re: #462 Cato the Elder

What obsession?

The person in question tried to drive me off this blog when I came out for Obama.

Fail.

I couldn't care less what the deucers say or think.

Big deal, many did the same to me and others, many tormentors left or were banned, others became more civil and stayed. I don't have a mission to drive off old adversaries that now are civil for what ever reason.

495 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:41:51pm

re: #450 marjoriemoon

And what was that mention about not allowing a cross in a national cemetery? Who was this guy and where does he get his information I wonder.

I suspect the original reference might have been this.

As to who fed him all those talking points, I couldn't even guess. I wasn't kidding about the Communist Manifesto thing, I had a guy tell me to my face at a party that the phrase 'separation of church and state' comes from the CM, which I looked up on getting home, which is why I happened to know which SCOTUS case he was so desperately trying to reference.

496 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:42:06pm

re: #488 Soap_Man

Whoever wrote/cooked that is my new hero.

I see tomatoes in the finished product. It must be good for you then. Bon appetit!

497 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:42:10pm

re: #485 Gus 802

In that case I'll have a Romulan ale.

Gus you know you are my buddy, but honestly, if the Empire ever came up against the Romulans, the Romulans would not last long.

If they went up against the Rebellion, someone would find that all Romulan ships were built with "off buttons" and then fly an x-wing in and push the button. Best to go with the Corellian ale.

498 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:42:42pm

re: #454 Aceofwhat?

which, as i'm sure you agree, is loony. shoving your religion into the gov't rapidly becomes shoving the gov't into your religion...

Best T-shirt from the Proposition 8 flap: "So, what sacrament are we going to let the government define next?"

499 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:10pm

re: #485 Gus 802

In that case I'll have a Romulan ale.

Sorry, Captain Kirk took my last bottle. Something about a "purple-skinned alien woman".

//

500 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:25pm

re: #498 SanFranciscoZionist

Best T-shirt from the Proposition 8 flap: "So, what sacrament are we going to let the government define next?"

Something about pineapples on pizza?
:shrugs:

501 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:30pm

re: #454 Aceofwhat?

which, as i'm sure you agree, is loony. shoving your religion into the gov't rapidly becomes shoving the gov't into your religion...

Oh, I absolutely agree. But the loons do not. They don't see it as a two lane highway to theocratic fascism. They see it as a one way street to the magical world of "Having your Cake and Eating it Too".

502 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:31pm

Dancing With Cats

503 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:43pm

re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist

I suspect the original reference might have been this.

As to who fed him all those talking points, I couldn't even guess. I wasn't kidding about the Communist Manifesto thing, I had a guy tell me to my face at a party that the phrase 'separation of church and state' comes from the CM, which I looked up on getting home, which is why I happened to know which SCOTUS case he was so desperately trying to reference.

that's some party...

504 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:43pm

re: #456 mich-again

The truth is Thomas Jefferson thought Christians were loons for believing the Gospels as written. Virgin birth, ressurection, faith healing, yeah right. He didn't mince words when he expressed contempt.

As for Calvinists, he compared their version of Christianity to "daemonism". His quotes from 200+ years ago made this all crystal clear. It cracks me up when I hear someone try to say the founding fathers were all Christians. Not by a longshot.

As for a him supporting some sort of theocracy in the USA, thats beyond laughable. Only a supremely ignorant person would even try to peddle that nonsense.

I just don't get it. How can you look at the Establishment Clause and not understand what it means?

505 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:43:43pm

re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist

I suspect the original reference might have been this.

As to who fed him all those talking points, I couldn't even guess. I wasn't kidding about the Communist Manifesto thing, I had a guy tell me to my face at a party that the phrase 'separation of church and state' comes from the CM, which I looked up on getting home, which is why I happened to know which SCOTUS case he was so desperately trying to reference.

Ahhh.... that must have been a hellofa party!

506 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:44:03pm

re: #476 Obdicut

And we know where that ends up!

Image: 250px-God_Emperor_of_Dune_Cover_Art.jpg

Massive up ding for that!

507 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:44:26pm

re: #484 NJDhockeyfan

She's your obsession, or fantasy.

I'm a very strange man, but you're wrong on both counts.

You have no idea.

Youtube Video
508 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:44:43pm

re: #497 LudwigVanQuixote

Gus you know you are my buddy, but honestly, if the Empire ever came up against the Romulans, the Romulans would not last long.

If they went up against the Rebellion, someone would find that all Romulan ships were built with "off buttons" and then fly an x-wing in and push the button. Best to go with the Corellian ale.

OK Anything but the MGD.

Do they make a Monolith beer? That thing can destroy the universe.

/

509 palomino  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:44:48pm

re: #202 michael78244

So, that is my point. It is not a part of the establishmen clause, it is an interpretation handed down by the Supreme Court.

That is all I am saying.

Most of our Constitutional jurisprudence involves interpretations of the text of the Constitution, a relatively short document. It couldn't possibly cover everything, and from the beginning it was quite clear that the courts (and other branches) would have to "flesh out" the document over time.

It is also quite clear that the framers knew their document was not all-encompassing, and thus intended for judges and legislators to interpret and adjust.

510 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:45:12pm

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don't get it. How can you look at the Establishment Clause and not understand what it means?

Because personal agenda is greater than what "a bunch of old guys" once said (but you knew that, of course).

A bunch of old guys... cripes, they were like mid-40s!

511 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:45:43pm

re: #494 avanti

Big deal, many did the same to me and others, many tormentors left or were banned, others became more civil and stayed. I don't have a mission to drive off old adversaries that now are civil for what ever reason.

I have no mission regarding Mandy.

And she's not civil.

512 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:45:49pm

re: #497 LudwigVanQuixote

Gus you know you are my buddy, but honestly, if the Empire ever came up against the Romulans, the Romulans would not last long.

If they went up against the Rebellion, someone would find that all Romulan ships were built with "off buttons" and then fly an x-wing in and push the button. Best to go with the Corellian ale.

seriously. the pilot of a Star Destroyer would think their ship was 'cute'.

513 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:45:55pm

re: #471 Cato the Elder

You are not my hobby.

Who're you foolin'?

514 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:46:13pm

What I don't understand is how many of the same people who seem to think separation of church and state is a bad thing here would totally flip out if they had to live in a Muslim state and would have a big problem with that. Separation of church and state and thus no official religion is arguably a good thing for religions since it encourages religious pluralism. Shit that's why my family came here after all due to the mistreatment of the Irish Catholics and the Eastern Rite Catholics were a minority in Czechoslovakia.

515 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:46:27pm

re: #473 HappyWarrior

Perhaps the same people who told Robertson and company that you can't pray in public schools. I always used to laugh at that since I remember praying quite a bit during the moments of silence in high school especially after 9-11 and after my grandmother died.

People do tend to fantasize about public schools along those lines. Kids can pray, read the Bible (I did once confiscate a Bible, I confess, but not for religious reasons), have prayer groups, wear crosses and hijabs...they just can't have the school be the organizer and mandator of prayers.

516 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:46:43pm

re: #513 Slumbering Behemoth

Who're you foolin'?

You, apparently.

517 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:47:28pm

re: #433 LudwigVanQuixote

??? I am not up on sex in the city lore, could you please elaborate?

South Park episode "Scrotie McBoogerballs"

518 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:49:43pm

re: #503 Aceofwhat?

that's some party...

It was. I left the political debate in the kitchen at about the time the conversation moved on to the possibility of China landing troops on US soil in cargo containers.

Went to the living room, and talked about Batman.

519 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:49:53pm

re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist

People do tend to fantasize about public schools along those lines. Kids can pray, read the Bible (I did once confiscate a Bible, I confess, but not for religious reasons), have prayer groups, wear crosses and hijabs...they just can't have the school be the organizer and mandator of prayers.

Yep, the Christian Right has honestly spread a deceitful lie that the Warren Court stopped the right to pray in school. I remember some of the guys I knew from my neighborhood repeating the propaganda about public schools that they got from their folks. They didn't know since they went to private school the reality. Heck, I remember one of my teachers being the sponsor for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

520 shiplord kirel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:50:20pm

re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist

I suspect the original reference might have been this.

As to who fed him all those talking points, I couldn't even guess. I wasn't kidding about the Communist Manifesto thing, I had a guy tell me to my face at a party that the phrase 'separation of church and state' comes from the CM, which I looked up on getting home, which is why I happened to know which SCOTUS case he was so desperately trying to reference.

Good farking grief! The exact phrase "separation of church and state" was used by several non-conformist religious groups (particularly Baptists) at least a century before the American Revolution. Separation was a cornerstone of Baptist philosophy until the rise of televangelism and its semi-literate sound-bite theology 30 years ago. Very traditional Baptist congregations, and universities like Baylor and Wayland, continue to uphold this tradition to this day. This leads many to suppose that these are ultra-modern revisionist institutions when, in fact, the opposite is true.

521 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:50:30pm

re: #508 Gus 802

OK Anything but the MGD.

Do they make a Monolith beer? That thing can destroy the universe.

/


Beats the piss out of me...

I'm having a Chimay :)

522 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:50:34pm

re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist

It was. I left the political debate in the kitchen at about the time the conversation moved on to the possibility of China landing troops on US soil in cargo containers.

Went to the living room, and talked about Batman.

Cargo containers??? It'd be safer for them to swim!
;)

523 palomino  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:50:49pm

re: #238 michael78244

Sigh. Separation of Church and State was a Justice Black invention. It didn't exist before then.

Do you even know how the Court works? There are NINE Justices. Neither Black nor any other individual Justice can just create a whole new Constitutional understanding.

524 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:03pm

re: #517 Alouette

South Park episode "Scrotie McBoogerballs"

I will check it out! I missed it the first time and I am waiting to be able to see it online.

525 political lunatic  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:10pm

Wow. The Inner Party religious extremists really are trying to throw the actual Constitution and the actual founding fathers down the memory hole, huh? Why the hell should we bother stating facts like what's actually in the Constitution to these people who willfully belong to the Outer Party? They are clearly brainwashed and impervious to facts.

526 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:11pm

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don't get it. How can you look at the Establishment Clause and not understand what it means?

By taking an oft repeated lie and wrapping itself around you like a warm blanket. Sort of an Occam's Fluffy Quilt of Confirmation Bias, if you will.

527 mich-again  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:16pm

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don't get it. How can you look at the Establishment Clause and not understand what it means?


Two words. Cognitive dissonance. The words right there in black and white don't really say what they appear to say. In fact, the writers probably meant to say the exact opposite thing of what they wrote down. Yeah, thats the ticket..

528 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:42pm

re: #491 Cato the Elder

Fine. But I'll have my lobster whole, please, and not mixed up with nasty vegetables!

Yes indeed. I had blue crab for the first time in a while tonight. Funny thing is, the male crabs cost twice what the females cost, without roe and without as much delicious fat inside the shell. Some people's traditions are really just marketing hype, just like politics.

529 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:52pm

re: #521 LudwigVanQuixote

Beats the piss out of me...

I'm having a Chimay :)

I've got a Guinness Extra Stout here. 1 pint.

530 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:51:57pm

re: #510 marjoriemoon

Because personal agenda is greater than what "a bunch of old guys" once said (but you knew that, of course).

A bunch of old guys... cripes, they were like mid-40s!

Mr. Jefferson, dear Mr. Jefferson,
I'm only forty-one, I still have my virility,
And I can romp through Cupid's Grove with great agility,
But there is more to life than sexual combustibility.

I love 1776. Best. Revolutionary. War. Musical. Ever.

531 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:52:02pm

re: #235 Surabaya Stew

NO! DON'T DO IT!!! IT'S TOO MUCH WORK FOR TOO LITTLE MONEY!!!
/

Seriously, Pratt rules! It's a huge community, and all firms (at least on the East Coast) know that Pratt grads tend to know their stuff. Pratt architects may not do many of the fancy designs, but they tend to be the become the managing partners!

Oh my lord, 55 grand for next year's 1 year tuition. I knew I was going to have to go back to work.

532 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:52:31pm

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don't get it. How can you look at the Establishment Clause and not understand what it means?

Well this is that phenomena of willful blindness. It gets very hard to cope with sometimes.

533 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:52:47pm

Israel Weighs Merits of Solo Attack on Iran

JERUSALEM—The Israeli security establishment is divided over whether it needs Washington's blessing if Israel decides to attack Iran, Israeli officials say, as the U.S. campaign for sanctions drags on and Tehran steadily develops greater nuclear capability.

Some senior Israeli officials say in interviews that they see signs Washington may be willing to live with a nuclear-armed Iran, an eventuality that Israel says it won't accept. Compounding Israeli concerns were U.S. statements this past weekend that underscored U.S. resistance to a military option. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Sunday discussed a memo to National Security Adviser James Jones warning that the U.S. needed new strategies, including how to contain a nuclear Iran—suggesting that Iran could reach nuclear capability without any foreign military force trying to stop it.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, reiterated Sunday the U.S. position that a military strike against Iran is a "last option."

Israel says it supports the U.S.-led push for new economic sanctions against Iran. But Israeli officials have increasingly voiced frustration over the slow pace of diplomatic efforts to get sanctions in place.

534 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:53:02pm

re: #526 Slumbering Behemoth

By taking an oft repeated lie and wrapping itself around you like a warm blanket. Sort of an Occam's Fluffy Quilt of Confirmation Bias, if you will.

hehe you do know how to turn a phrase!

Off to dream land. Sleep tight, lizards.

535 palomino  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:53:07pm

re: #247 michael78244

And what would George Washington have to say on the subject? If you are going to ask about intent, you should ask the man who could have been king.

Yes, let's ask him. And while we're at it, let's dig up the bones of all the founding fathers and interrogate them. If necessary, I say we waterboard them.

536 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:53:20pm

re: #516 Cato the Elder

You, apparently.

No. "Who you foolin'?" is a traditional, rhetorical question in certain circles. It means you're not fooling anyone with your bullshit but yourself.

537 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:53:38pm

re: #530 SanFranciscoZionist

Mr. Jefferson, dear Mr. Jefferson,
I'm only forty-one, I still have my virility,
And I can romp through Cupid's Grove with great agility,
But there is more to life than sexual combustibility.

I love 1776. Best. Revolutionary. War. Musical. Ever.

OK now I really do love you!

And may my wife refuse my bed
If I can't deliver what I said
A resolution
on Interdependency!

538 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:53:38pm

re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist

People do tend to fantasize about public schools along those lines. Kids can pray, read the Bible (I did once confiscate a Bible, I confess, but not for religious reasons), have prayer groups, wear crosses and hijabs...they just can't have the school be the organizer and mandator of prayers.

you mean the supreme court DIDN'T say kids couldn't have their own personal God in their hearts during the school day?????

and they can talk Him/Her during school hours?, in a school chair, on school grounds?????????????

no wonder the religious right is pissed.........

no, wait, hang on a second.........

539 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:54:15pm

I'm going to bed. My eyes won't stay open. Have a great night my friends.

540 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:54:19pm

re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist

It was. I left the political debate in the kitchen at about the time the conversation moved on to the possibility of China landing troops on US soil in cargo containers.

Went to the living room, and talked about Batman.

holy cow. good move.

541 kmcshea  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:54:34pm

geez those Palin Xtians sure cuss a lot .... they ain't gonna go to heaven with mouths like that ;)

542 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:55:56pm

re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist

It was. I left the political debate in the kitchen at about the time the conversation moved on to the possibility of China landing troops on US soil in cargo containers.

Went to the living room, and talked about Batman.

That's a political debate?

Personally, I think the Chinese will invade the USA with flying saucers.

/

543 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:07pm

Dammit, what is up with the oak pollen this year?!

544 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:21pm

re: #539 NJDhockeyfan

I'm going to bed. My eyes won't stay open. Have a great night my friends.

They're not designed to "stay open". You're supposed to blink!!

545 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:28pm

Cato seriously help me with some German. I want something like Reich propaganda ministry or such. It would be one huge word and all.

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:31pm

re: #535 palomino

Yes, let's ask him. And while we're at it, let's dig up the bones of all the founding fathers and interrogate them. If necessary, I say we waterboard them.

Before it got ridiculous, Laurell Hamilton's Anita Blake series was fun.

One of the things I loved was that the protagonist is a professional necromancer. (Prohibited by Torah, but she's an Episcopalian, so maybe they posken differently.) One of her gigs is calling up a Civil War soldier, so the local history club can interview him.

547 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:36pm

re: #541 kmcshea

geez those Palin Xtians sure cuss a lot ... they ain't gonna go to heaven with mouths like that ;)

and if she keeps accruing wealth @$$$$$$$$$$ per speech something about a camel........... or some such.

548 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:56:39pm

re: #542 Gus 802

That's a political debate?

Personally, I think the Chinese will invade the USA with flying saucers.

/

NO. THEY WILL DIG A TUNNEL UNDER THE PACIFIC.

549 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:57:12pm

re: #548 Varek Raith

NO. THEY WILL DIG A TUNNEL UNDER THE PACIFIC.

We must build an underwater fence at once!

/

550 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:57:37pm

re: #536 Slumbering Behemoth

No. "Who you foolin'?" is a traditional, rhetorical question in certain circles. It means you're not fooling anyone with your bullshit but yourself.

Yes. I get that.

Still doesn't apply.

551 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:57:53pm

re: #529 Gus 802

I've got a Guinness Extra Stout here. 1 pint.

Excellent choice - I love those. Another old stand by was a black and tan :)

552 mich-again  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:57:56pm

Educating the willfully ignorant is kind of like trying to rip a cottonball in half. The harder you pull, the more it resists.

553 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:58:10pm

re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote

Cato seriously help me with some German. I want something like Reich propaganda ministry or such. It would be one huge word and all.

Saying what?

554 palomino  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:58:25pm

re: #371 michael78244

A Muslim cresant doesn't bother me.

What about a Muslim crescent? Or a croissant? (of any religion)

555 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:58:55pm

re: #543 Varek Raith

Dammit, what is up with the oak pollen this year?!

Fucking oak pollen! How does that work?

556 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:00pm

What I want to ask someone who favors church and state being brought together and considers themselves Christian if they would like that if the religion is Islam. If the answer is no than they're honest to god hypocrites. Unrelated nice to see Guinness fans here :). Had one tonight with dinner.

557 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:15pm

re: #555 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Fucking oak pollen! How does that work?

Fucking magnets?!?!

558 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:17pm

re: #554 palomino

What about a Muslim crescent? Or a croissant? (of any religion)

Croissants are Muslim infiltration devices!

559 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:26pm

re: #553 Cato the Elder

Saying what?

So just like I have Sarah "Drill me" Palin,

I want Fox "Reichsministrypropaganda" News

560 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:37pm

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

Before it got ridiculous, Laurell Hamilton's Anita Blake series was fun.

One of the things I loved was that the protagonist is a professional necromancer. (Prohibited by Torah, but she's an Episcopalian, so maybe they posken differently.) One of her gigs is calling up a Civil War soldier, so the local history club can interview him.

Woah, you've read her too? Her Meredith series was...ummm...*adjusting collar*...more detailed than i was expecting - i picked it up on a whim.

561 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:38pm

re: #537 LudwigVanQuixote

OK now I really do love you!

And may my wife refuse my bed
If I can't deliver what I said
A resolution
on Interdependency!

"You don't mean...they're not going to...in the middle of the afternoon?!"

"Not everyone's from Boston, John."

562 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:50pm

re: #548 Varek Raith

NO. THEY WILL DIG A TUNNEL UNDER THE PACIFIC.

No problem. We will call the Egyptians to block it. They haff the technology.

563 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:55pm

Why is the word "atheist" so darned hard to spell for these dumb ass theocratic right-wing twits?

564 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 8:59:57pm

re: #558 Cato the Elder

Croissants are Muslim infiltration devices!

So a crescent wrenches!111!11

Eleventy!

/

565 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:00:44pm

re: #555 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Fucking oak pollen! How does that work?

Jonathan Drori: Every pollen grain has a story

Pollen goes unnoticed by most of us, except when hay fever strikes. But microscopes reveal it comes in stunning colors and shapes -- and travels remarkably well. Jonathan Drori gives an up-close glimpse of these fascinating flecks of plant courtship.

[Link: www.ted.com...]

566 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:00:50pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

So just like I have Sarah "Drill me" Palin,

I want Fox "Reichsministrypropaganda" News

So? You already have it...

567 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:00:51pm

re: #543 Varek Raith

Dammit, what is up with the oak pollen this year?!

I don't know. It keeps raining, and then stuff blooms. My husband is tearing his way through the Claritin.

568 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:07pm

re: #563 eclectic infidel

Why is the word "atheist" so darned hard to spell for these dumb ass theocratic right-wing twits?

Its not spelled out in the Bible.

569 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:07pm

re: #538 wozzablog

Anytime someone bitches to me about the taking of god/prayer out of our schools, I like to respond with something similar to "I know, right? How else are our children going to learn to prepare proper hecatombs in honor and praise of Jove? Do these damned atheists want us all to get struck by friggin' lightning?"

570 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:08pm

Ap put this up on Hot Air under "Quote of the day". Seems a lot of the readers there have given up on Palin and are now excited about Allen West. Good luck with that.

571 mich-again  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:28pm

re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote

Cato seriously help me with some German. I want something like Reich propaganda ministry or such. It would be one huge word and all.

Maybe I can help. I know a little German. Ba-dum-POP.

572 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:28pm

re: #558 Cato the Elder

Croissants are Muslim infiltration devices!

The French are so devious..."try wearing your religious garment while eating THIS you silly Muslims!"

573 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:29pm

re: #450 marjoriemoon

And what was that mention about not allowing a cross in a national cemetery? Who was this guy and where does he get his information I wonder.

I believe he was talking about the cross in the Mojave National Preserve that the ACLU went to court to have removed late last year. Even though it was first put up in 1934 it is now claimed to be a "war memorial for our soldiers" (which was also a declaration from congress in 2002 long after the case had started), blah, blah blah.

At first the park service agreed to remove it then congress prohibited them from spending so much as a dime to do so. So the ACLU sued and got an injunction saying that it had to be removed, in return Congress transferred the rock on which the cross stands to the ownership of the AVFW. Claiming that now that it was on private land the ACLU no longer had a case. The ACLU sued to have the land transfer declared illegal and won in the Ninth district court. Now it is waiting a decision by the Supreme Court itself.

Seems like it would have been easier if congress had stayed out of it and allowed the park service to remove a single 8' cross from a rock in a national park.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

574 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:46pm

re: #543 Varek Raith

Dammit, what is up with the oak pollen this year?!

Fuckin' pollen: How do they work?

575 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:01:47pm

re: #561 SanFranciscoZionist

"You don't mean...they're not going to...in the middle of the afternoon?!"

"Not everyone's from Boston, John."

My mom always said that I am John Adams from that musical. Sometimes she meant it as a compliment :)

576 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:02:47pm

re: #566 Naso Tang

So? You already have it...

Yeah but I want it in proper German.

577 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:02:50pm

re: #555 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Ya beat me too it by a mile. I salute you!

578 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:16pm

Uh oh! Found a crescent (moon) for a USAF unit.

They're stationed out of Hurlburt Field.

Almost reads like hurlbutt.

579 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:20pm

re: #563 eclectic infidel

Why is the word "atheist" so darned hard to spell for these dumb ass theocratic right-wing twits?

Because they think is antichchristmas. Only the first letter matches.

580 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:26pm

re: #574 Slumbering Behemoth

Fuckin' pollen: How do they work?

See #565

581 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:27pm

re: #565 LudwigVanQuixote

Jonathan Drori: Every pollen grain has a story


and every rose has it's thorn........

582 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:03:41pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

So just like I have Sarah "Drill me" Palin,

I want Fox "Reichsministrypropaganda" News

Mmm.

Not that easy. The Goebbels institution was not one long German word, but rather "Reichsministerium für Propaganda".

Fox News = Fuchsministerium, perhaps?

Fuchsministerium für Analphabetentum. Fox Ministry for Illiteracy.

I'll keep working on it.

583 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04:08pm

re: #560 Aceofwhat?

Woah, you've read her too? Her Meredith series was...ummm...*adjusting collar*...more detailed than i was expecting - i picked it up on a whim.

I haven't read the Meredith books. A friend loves them, and keeps recommending them, but I haven't gotten around to it.

I greatly enjoyed about the first six Anita books, but Anita has basically turned into the great Mary Sue of the vampire novel world. And I liked the werewolf boyfriend better than the assorted vampire boytoys.

584 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04:26pm

re: #564 Gus 802

So a crescent wrenches!111!11

Eleventy!

/

And Wrenchwench wears the burka!

585 shiplord kirel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04:40pm

re: #541 kmcshea

geez those Palin Xtians sure cuss a lot ... they ain't gonna go to heaven with mouths like that ;)

I'm 60 years old but if my 82 year old mother heard me talking like that in a religious context, she would get in her car and drive across town to slap my face.

586 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04:48pm

re: #567 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know. It keeps raining, and then stuff blooms. My husband is tearing his way through the Claritin.

FYI, the generic Loratadine 10 mgs is 24 hour and works just as well for me.

587 mich-again  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04:52pm

German words are so long. It must be really tough to win a German spelling bee. For example, the German word for "bra" is stoppenzemfromfloppin.

588 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:05:31pm

re: #578 Gus 802

Uh oh! Found a crescent (moon) for a USAF unit.

They're stationed out of Hurlburt Field.

Almost reads like hurlbutt.

Or Hurtbutt.

589 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:05:35pm

re: #537 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn spell check!

OK now I really do love you!

And may my wife refuse my bed
If I can't deliver what I said
A resolution
on Independency!

590 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:10pm

re: #556 HappyWarrior

What I want to ask someone who favors church and state being brought together and considers themselves Christian if they would like that if the religion is Islam. If the answer is no than they're honest to god hypocrites. Unrelated nice to see Guinness fans here :). Had one tonight with dinner.

The hypocrisy is that it's only their religion. These folks are out there in my mind. And I will be out there against them.

591 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:13pm

re: #576 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah but I want it in proper German.

But in German you can string letters together to make whole sentences. Who are you trying to impress, other than Cato who you already put on the defensive?

592 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:23pm

re: #550 Cato the Elder

Save it, I ain't buying it. You doth protest too much.

593 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:32pm

re: #582 Cato the Elder

Mmm.

Not that easy. The Goebbels institution was not one long German word, but rather "Reichsministerium für Propaganda".

Fox News = Fuchsministerium, perhaps?

Fuchsministerium für Analphabetentum. Fox Ministry for Illiteracy.

I'll keep working on it.

These are good keep it coming...

OK how about something like "people's good truth ministry?"

594 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:40pm

re: #569 Slumbering Behemoth

Anytime someone bitches to me about the taking of god/prayer out of our schools, I like to respond with something similar to "I know, right? How else are our children going to learn to prepare proper hecatombs in honor and praise of Jove? Do these damned atheists want us all to get struck by friggin' lightning?"

There is a delightful scene in one of Terry Pratchett's novels, where a kid tries to sacrifice a goat in the dorm at the Assassin's Guild. He is promptly made fun of by all the other kids for being such a baby as to say his bedtime prayers.

595 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:41pm

re: #587 mich-again

German words are so long. It must be really tough to win a German spelling bee. For example, the German word for "bra" is stoppenzemfromfloppin.

So would a bra fetish be stoppenzemfromfloppinfreude?

/

596 celticdragon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:48pm

re: #268 freetoken

Everything we need to know about a particular monkey in question can be found in this post of his:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I spent a very tiring week working out my rough draft of a paper for paleontology on correlations and causation of the End Permian, End Triassic and End Cretaceous mass extinctions. (big rocks that fall from space are a bitch. So is trying to live in an anoxic ocean...) Over half of the people in this country (including this eejit)seem to think that magical thinking trumps actual science.

**mutters darkly...despairing sigh**

597 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:06:56pm

re: #583 SanFranciscoZionist

I haven't read the Meredith books. A friend loves them, and keeps recommending them, but I haven't gotten around to it.

I greatly enjoyed about the first six Anita books, but Anita has basically turned into the great Mary Sue of the vampire novel world. And I liked the werewolf boyfriend better than the assorted vampire boytoys.

It's a really interesting take on the fairy folk...who apparently spend half their time having graphic sex with each other...

598 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:18pm

re: #587 mich-again

German words are so long. It must be really tough to win a German spelling bee. For example, the German word for "bra" is stoppenzemfromfloppin.

Thank you for reminding me of why I signed up for Spanish and not German in the fall. Thing about German to me is it sounds so damn angry all the time. I like to joke that you could be telling someone to have a nice day in German and it probably sounds like a Hitler speech. Hyperbole, I know. Loved Germany while I was there a couple years. Good food, good beer, good people.

599 mlgblg  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:29pm

re: #439 reine.de.tout

Seconded.

And everything you said - it's a big reason why I love it here.
If I want to talk to people with the same opinions I have, I can find them right here at home.

But here at LGF, to have access to the brainpower here - it's something very special.

so true. i am new here, and i'm slapping myself for not having found this blog soon enough.

600 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:34pm

re: #591 Naso Tang

But in German you can string letters together to make whole sentences. Who are you trying to impress, other than Cato who you already put on the defensive?

I am not trying to put him on the defensive at all. I am genuinely asking for his knowledge. As to impressing people, it tickles my nerd side to have the insult I am crafting for Fox be in proper German.

601 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:47pm

re: #581 wozzablog

and every rose has it's thorn...

Just like every night has its dawn,
Just like every cowboy has a sad sad song,
Every rose has its thorn.

602 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:54pm

Not safe for Work:Meet the SWAGs (Service Wives And Girlfriends), whose cheeky naked calendar has raised £26,000 for Help For Heroes


Their other halves are busy dealing with military assaults. But for these SWAGs - Service Wives And Girlfriends - it's more about full-frontal assaults.

With only strategically placed guns and tanks to spare their blushes, these charity calendar shots have helped raise £26,000 for injured servicemen and women wounded in Afghanistan and Iraq.

A total of 50 volunteers, all wives and girlfriends of men from the three Armed Services, stripped off to be photographed at bases and training centres in Hampshire. But their modesty was preserved by carefully placed pieces of military equipment.

603 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:56pm

gnite folks

604 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:07:58pm

re: #587 mich-again

German words are so long. It must be really tough to win a German spelling bee. For example, the German word for "bra" is stoppenzemfromfloppin.

Hey Mich. Good to see you in good form. Maybe it's me, maybe it's you. Seems like a while.

605 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:08:20pm

re: #587 mich-again

German words are so long. It must be really tough to win a German spelling bee. For example, the German word for "bra" is stoppenzemfromfloppin.

Oh dear. Actually, that's funny.

606 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:09:05pm

re: #597 Aceofwhat?

It's a really interesting take on the fairy folk...who apparently spend half their time having graphic sex with each other...

Shsss! Summer might be listening.

607 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:09:19pm

re: #563 eclectic infidel

Why is the word "atheist" so darned hard to spell for these dumb ass theocratic right-wing twits?

You see, if they spell it correctly, the "Non-God That Does Not Exist" will see it, and come along and steal a part of their soul.

608 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:09:57pm

re: #587 mich-again

German words are so long. It must be really tough to win a German spelling bee. For example, the German word for "bra" is stoppenzemfromfloppin.

I thought that was overtheshoulderbouderholder?

William

609 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:10:34pm

re: #592 Slumbering Behemoth

Save it, I ain't buying it. You doth Thou dost protest too much.

FTFY.

Spare my your fake garbled Shakespearean English, at lest.

610 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:11:18pm

re: #608 wlewisiii

I thought that was overtheshoulderbouderholder?

William

No, not that. Too English.

611 shiplord kirel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:11:33pm

OT but jaw-droppingly gorgeous:

Timescapes: "Death is the Road to Awe" from Tom Lowe @ Timescapes on Vimeo.

612 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:11:35pm

re: #593 LudwigVanQuixote

These are good keep it coming...

OK how about something like "people's good truth ministry?"

Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes.

613 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:12:09pm

re: #609 Cato the Elder

FTFY.

Spare my your fake garbled Shakespearean English, at lest.

Dost thou bite thine thumb at him?

614 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:12:23pm

re: #595 Gus 802

So would a bra fetish be stoppenzemfromfloppinfreude?

/

[snicker]

615 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:12:42pm

I played a video game once where a character said "verily" four times in one sentence.
:)

616 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:12:49pm

re: #613 LudwigVanQuixote

Dost thou bite thine thumb at him?

Aye.

617 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:13:01pm

re: #587 mich-again

German words are so long. It must be really tough to win a German spelling bee. For example, the German word for "bra" is stoppenzemfromfloppin.

English - nipple

french - mamelon

german - breastwart

english- butterfly

fremch - pappillion

german - SCHMATTERLING

618 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:13:13pm

re: #598 HappyWarrior

Thank you for reminding me of why I signed up for Spanish and not German in the fall. Thing about German to me is it sounds so damn angry all the time. I like to joke that you could be telling someone to have a nice day in German and it probably sounds like a Hitler speech. Hyperbole, I know. Loved Germany while I was there a couple years. Good food, good beer, good people.

There's a track on the Tool album Aenima called Die Eier von Satan that has a German speech at what sounds like a Nazi rally, but the speaker is actually reciting a recipe for cookies made without eggs.

619 mich-again  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:13:13pm

re: #604 Naso Tang

Hey Mich. Good to see you in good form. Maybe it's me, maybe it's you. Seems like a while.


Like my man Luther said in the movie "48 Hours"... "Yeah, I've been BUSY!" ha. nice to hear from you too.

620 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:13:14pm

re: #600 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not trying to put him on the defensive at all. I am genuinely asking for his knowledge. As to impressing people, it tickles my nerd side to have the insult I am crafting for Fox be in proper German.

Kidding Ludwig. Kidding.

:D

621 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:13:27pm

re: #612 Cato the Elder

Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes.

Excellent! People's ministry for the good of the people?

622 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:13:38pm

re: #615 Varek Raith

I played a video game once where a character said "verily" four times in one sentence.
:)

Video games: the last refuge for wannabe Tolkien imitators.

623 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:13:45pm

re: #613 LudwigVanQuixote

Dost thou bite thine thumb at him?

Heck no! I'm biting yours! [CHOMP!]

624 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:14:08pm

re: #607 Slumbering Behemoth

You see, if they spell it correctly, the "Non-God That Does Not Exist" will see it, and come along and steal a part of their soul.

I will be honest here. At first I didn't get it, and then I started giggling. Almost as soon as i began chuckling to myself I realized that I'm operating on less than 5 hours of sleep. I think I'm doing ok though.

625 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:14:08pm

re: #558 Cato the Elder

Croissants are Muslim infiltration devices!

That does it! From now on they shall be called Freedom Crescents™ in this bakery.

/

626 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:14:14pm

night all

sleep tight, etc etc etc.

627 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:14:21pm

re: #617 wozzablog

English - nipple

french - mamelon

german - breastwart

english- butterfly

fremch - pappillion

german - SCHMATTERLING

Wrong on both German words.

628 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:14:51pm

re: #617 wozzablog

german - breastwart

And you wonder why they are so cranky... Hey baby I want to --- your BREASTWART!

629 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:14:58pm

re: #621 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent! People's ministry for the good of the people?

Zackly.

630 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:15:34pm

re: #623 Dark_Falcon

Heck no! I'm biting yours! [CHOMP!]

You might want to rethink that imagery my friend - particularly given the Shakespearian context.

631 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:15:38pm

re: #622 Cato the Elder

Video games: the last refuge for wannabe Tolkien imitators.

What made it worse was the fake English accent voice over.
:/

632 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:17:16pm

re: #629 Cato the Elder

Zackly.

And you didn't put in news because it is going to be:

Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News

and adding news would be redundant.

You are awesome Cato!

633 mich-again  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:17:17pm

re: #617 wozzablog
Those were perfect examples of the delicate beauty of the German language. or not.

634 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:17:24pm

re: #627 Cato the Elder

just the messenger, i can't remember which comic it was i cribbed it from.

brustwarze and google assures schmtterling to be at the veryleast ballpark

635 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:17:36pm

re: #630 LudwigVanQuixote

You might want to rethink that imagery my friend - particularly given the Shakespearian context.

I know, I'm just kidding. :)

636 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:18:35pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

I know, I'm just kidding. :)

Verily.

637 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:18:39pm

re: #609 Cato the Elder

Deal, so long as you spare the rest of us your "I AM NOT OBSESSED WITH MANDY!" foot-stamping, childish behavior.

638 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:19:46pm

re: #618 Girth

There's a track on the Tool album Aenima called Die Eier von Satan that has a German speech at what sounds like a Nazi rally, but the speaker is actually reciting a recipe for cookies made without eggs.

Haha nice and here I thought I was exaggerating.

639 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:19:46pm

Crescent Guard

Image: Operation%20Crescent%20Guard%20logo.JPG

Mooslims!11!11

640 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:21:01pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

I know, I'm just kidding. :)

Well be careful! We are internet personalities and

Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News

might try to suggest our relationship is non-platonic. Of course that would require someone there who read more than the Cliff's notes to Romeo and Juliette, but you never can tell.

Cato it's awesome. Thank you.

641 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:21:08pm

188th Brigade Support Battalion Distinctive Unit Insignia

Image: BSB%20DUI.jpg

642 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:21:15pm

For those who care, Code Pinko's latest war cry of the month is, and I kid you not:

Crackpot Crones Just Say NO to DRONES!
643 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:21:42pm

re: #639 Gus 802

Crescent Guard

Image: Operation%20Crescent%20Guard%20logo.JPG

Mooslims!11!11

Are we playing "LogoGate" again?
Cool!
Missile Defense Logos for Wingnut Dummies.
Image: missile-defense-lo_1585545c.jpg

644 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:22:36pm

re: #642 eclectic infidel

For those who care, Code Pinko's latest war cry of the month is, and I kid you not:

Huh? Translation?
XD

645 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:22:43pm

re: #602 Killgore Trout

Not safe for Work:Meet the SWAGs (Service Wives And Girlfriends), whose cheeky naked calendar has raised £26,000 for Help For Heroes

Heh.
There's a movie about a bunch of little old ladies in Britain who did the exact same thing.

Anybody remember the name of it?

646 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:22:49pm

re: #634 wozzablog

just the messenger, i can't remember which comic it was i cribbed it from.

brustwarze and google assures schmtterling to be at the veryleast ballpark

Google? Hah!

The word is "Schmetterling".

And I dare you to make fun of it.

Schmetterlinge frolicking in the sunshine are as romantic to a German as any damn Frenchy papillons.

647 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:22:52pm

re: #643 Varek Raith

Are we playing "LogoGate" again?
Cool!
Missile Defense Logos for Wingnut Dummies.
Image: missile-defense-lo_1585545c.jpg

Crescentgate

/

648 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:23:23pm

re: #637 Slumbering Behemoth

Deal, so long as you spare the rest of us your "I AM NOT OBSESSED WITH MANDY!" foot-stamping, childish behavior.

OK.

But I will not spare Mandy.

649 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:24:35pm

re: #639 Gus 802

Crescent Guard

Image: Operation%20Crescent%20Guard%20logo.JPG

Mooslims!11!11

A gator!

650 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:24:36pm

re: #639 Gus 802

re: #641 Gus 802

re: #643 Varek Raith

OMG!!1 THEY'RE ALREADY IN OUR MILITARY!1 THE MOOSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!!111

HEAD FOR THA HILLS!11 BUY GOLD!!!1 BUY SURVIVAL SEEDZ!1

/Glenn Beck

651 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:25:18pm

re: #650 Dark_Falcon

Pa, I buried all our survival seeds, and now they're gone and there's a bunch of corn there!

652 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:25:41pm

re: #628 LudwigVanQuixote

And you wonder why they are so cranky... Hey baby I want to --- your BREASTWART!

jeez, it's getting really weird in here.

653 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:25:59pm

re: #650 Dark_Falcon

re: #641 Gus 802

re: #643 Varek Raith

OMG!!1 THEY'RE ALREADY IN OUR MILITARY!1 THE MOOSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!!111

HEAD FOR THA HILLS!11 BUY GOLD!!!1 BUY SURVIVAL SEEDZ!1

/Glenn Beck

They've been sneaking in through shipping containers!11!!

654 Girth  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:26:06pm

re: #643 Varek Raith

Are we playing "LogoGate" again?
Cool!
Missile Defense Logos for Wingnut Dummies.
Image: missile-defense-lo_1585545c.jpg

Want to hear a good one?

I was actually witness to someone watching Chris Matthews play and laugh along with The Daily Show's takedown of the latest logo stupidity. On seeing this, the person in question called Matthews an asshole, said something about Matthews calling himself a journalist, and promptly turned on Glenn Beck.

I shit you not.

655 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:26:09pm

re: #651 Obdicut

Pa, I buried all our survival seeds, and now they're gone and there's a bunch of corn there!

Someone stole the seeds and left you corn?! Who the hell does that?!
Weirdos. That's who!
/

656 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:26:14pm

re: #645 reine.de.tout

Heh.
There's a movie about a bunch of little old ladies in Britain who did the exact same thing.

Anybody remember the name of it?

Calender Girls.

657 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:26:44pm

re: #645 reine.de.tout

Heh.
There's a movie about a bunch of little old ladies in Britain who did the exact same thing.

Anybody remember the name of it?

Calendar Girls

Youtube Video

It was actually a good movie. Chick flick but I liked it anyways.

658 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:26:49pm

re: #531 prairiefire

Oh my lord, 55 grand for next year's 1 year tuition. I knew I was going to have to go back to work.

WHAT?!?!

Pratt was 13.5 G's back when I started in 1993, not including room and board. What the hell is going on with the world? A Bachelor of Architecture is a 5 year degree! Architecture is a fine thing, but not at a quarter of a million dollars!!!

659 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:26:54pm

re: #641 Gus 802

188th Brigade Support Battalion Distinctive Unit Insignia

Image: BSB%20DUI.jpg

You know, it's like Obama said in the health care Q&A with the Republican members of the House - they've painted themselves so far into a corner, any resemblance of cooperation will not be allowed.

660 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:27:40pm

re: #651 Obdicut

Pa, I buried all our survival seeds, and now they're gone and there's a bunch of corn there!

THERES MAGIC UP IN THIS BITCH!

661 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:27:42pm

re: #656 Dark_Falcon

Calender Girls.

THANKS!
I loved that movie.

662 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:27:46pm

re: #658 Surabaya Stew

WHAT?!?!

Pratt was 13.5 G's back when I started in 1993, not including room and board. What the hell is going on with the world? A Bachelor of Architecture is a 5 year degree! Architecture is a fine thing, but not at a quarter of a million dollars!!!

You can thank the private sector for that.

663 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:27:46pm

re: #645 reine.de.tout

Heh.
There's a movie about a bunch of little old ladies in Britain who did the exact same thing.

Anybody remember the name of it?

Helen Mirren was in it.

664 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:29:20pm

re: #663 Stanley Sea

Helen Mirren was in it.

Yes, I love Helen Mirren.

Dark Falcon and Killgore had it - it was called Calendar Girls.
I loved it.

665 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:30:01pm

All that love is making me sleep.
Well, that and LVQ gettin' all weird over breastwart.

Night, y'all.

666 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:30:04pm

re: #659 Stanley Sea

You know, it's like Obama said in the health care Q&A with the Republican members of the House - they've painted themselves so far into a corner, any resemblance of cooperation will not be allowed.

Yeah, I think they're all going cross eyed seeing crescents everywhere. Of course you might know if you use Photoshop that "bevel and emboss" will create that effect. Or even a drop shadow or using a light colored inner shadow. It's nutty.

667 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:30:38pm

OK I feel a little bad now because I don't want some innocent guy getting mail from them. So I have to set the record straight on something.

The village of the banned has put up a blog of someone else that they think is me, but is not.

If you see this losers, nice try, but no cigar. That ain't my blog. I don't have a blog :)

668 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:31:34pm

re: #652 reine.de.tout

jeez, it's getting really weird in here.

I know. I am informed though that is not the correct word. That is a relief.

669 joecitizen  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:31:54pm

re: #648 Cato the Elder

OK.

But I will not spare Mandy.

Truly Cato, your incessant attacks against Mandy bring this blog down to a level of childishness which does not speak well of your manhood or your so called intellectual abilities.

670 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:33:20pm

re: #669 joecitizen

Truly Cato, your incessant attacks against Mandy bring this blog down to a level of childishness which does not speak well of your manhood or your so called intellectual abilities.

Truly, Joe, I couldn't care less.

671 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:33:24pm

re: #669 joecitizen

I find it best not to get involved in other people's skirmishes.
:)

672 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:33:27pm

re: #662 Cato the Elder

You can thank the private sector for that.

Computers and an modern insistence on a higher standard of facilities haven't helped control costs either.

673 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:33:28pm

re: #654 Girth

Want to hear a good one?

I was actually witness to someone watching Chris Matthews play and laugh along with The Daily Show's takedown of the latest logo stupidity. On seeing this, the person in question called Matthews an asshole, said something about Matthews calling himself a journalist, and promptly turned on Glenn Beck.

I shit you not.

I believe you. Beck has some devoted fans.

674 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:34:06pm

re: #672 Surabaya Stew

Computers and an modern insistence on a higher standard of facilities haven't helped control costs either.

Could you put that in English, please?

675 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:34:48pm

re: #667 LudwigVanQuixote

OK I feel a little bad now because I don't want some innocent guy getting mail from them. So I have to set the record straight on something.

The village of the banned has put up a blog of someone else that they think is me, but is not.

If you see this losers, nice try, but no cigar. That ain't my blog. I don't have a blog :)

Ah, I see the brainiacs are hard at work. That site is run by some guy from Australia. He was born in Poland to boot.

Duh-e.

676 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:35:08pm

re: #664 reine.de.tout

Yes, I love Helen Mirren.

Dark Falcon and Killgore had it - it was called Calendar Girls.
I loved it.

I made another recipe out of my cheat sheet. Buy the book everyone!!

So I've been so behind on this thread!!

677 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:35:18pm

re: #646 Cato the Elder

German is the language you go to the dance with after you find French got knocked up by Spanish a month prior and Portuguese has been seeing Italian behind your back..............

678 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:35:26pm

re: #667 LudwigVanQuixote

OK I feel a little bad now because I don't want some innocent guy getting mail from them. So I have to set the record straight on something.

The village of the banned has put up a blog of someone else that they think is me, but is not.

If you see this losers, nice try, but no cigar. That ain't my blog. I don't have a blog :)

You're a good egg, Ludwig.

679 joecitizen  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:35:49pm

re: #670 Cato the Elder

Truly, Joe, I couldn't care less.

Nice comeback Potsie.

680 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:36:25pm

re: #677 wozzablog

German is the language you go to the dance with after you find French got knocked up by Spanish a month prior and Portuguese has been seeing Italian behind your back...

Are you gonna sit there and make dumb cracks about the language of Goethe and Heinrich Heine?

Sad...

681 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:36:57pm

re: #679 joecitizen

Nice comeback Potsie.

[bows elaborately]

682 joecitizen  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:37:39pm

re: #671 Varek Raith

I find it best not to get involved in other people's skirmishes.
:)


Sometimes ya just have to stand up.

683 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:37:43pm

re: #675 Gus 802

Ah, I see the brainiacs are hard at work. That site is run by some guy from Australia. He was born in Poland to boot.

Duh-e.

Yeah it's entertaining.

Next they will be counting the number of times I use the letter "I" in my posts and trying to cross reference it with all known climate papers.

Of course after reading the poor Polish guy's blog, he seems as nutty as they are. I might have just made a web shidduch.

684 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:37:47pm

re: #677 wozzablog

Less said about English though the better - conjugations like attempting to open a bra through a sweater vest and blouse.........in gloves.

685 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:38:10pm

re: #680 Cato the Elder

I am. Very.

686 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:39:12pm

re: #682 joecitizen

:shrugs:
*Goes back to plotting world domination*

687 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:39:32pm

re: #679 joecitizen

Nice comeback Potsie.

Potsie?

What, from Happy Days?

Sorry.

688 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:40:13pm

re: #682 joecitizen

Sometimes ya just have to stand up.

Quite Concur.

689 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:40:56pm

good night everybody - and if there is anyone i haven't annoyed yet - your time will come, mark my words.............

*grabs cape, swirls it behind him and disappears through the fog cackling maniacally*

690 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:42:35pm

re: #685 wozzablog

I am. Very.

Ignorant as I thought you were.

691 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:43:26pm

re: #683 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah it's entertaining.

Next they will be counting the number of times I use the letter "I" in my posts and trying to cross reference it with all known climate papers.

Of course after reading the poor Polish guy's blog, he seems as nutty as they are. I might have just made a web shidduch.

It's pretty obvious. Almost within seconds. That guy is seriously new agey and even blogs about "bio-resonant garments. He even sells them.

692 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:43:55pm

re: #688 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

Why on earth do you always write that with a capital "C"?

Just wondering.

693 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:44:34pm

But in celebration of that blog... I must post the following wiki link...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

;)

694 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:44:44pm

re: #692 Cato the Elder

Why on earth do you always write that with a capital "C"?

Just wondering.

Signature.
Catch phrase.
:)

695 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:44:51pm

re: #690 Cato the Elder

Ignorant as I thought you were.

We can't all aspire to the Nobel Prize for smug..........

696 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:45:20pm

re: #695 wozzablog

missed the

/

697 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:48:40pm

re: #691 Gus 802

It's pretty obvious. Almost within seconds. That guy is seriously new agey and even blogs about "bio-resonant garments. He even sells them.

Yeah but they are looking for me...

I am sooo scared.

I think my fav post of theirs was snork whining that after he defeated me in a scientific debate (They really are just like Cartman) he got targeted and banned. I am so amused.

Snork couldn't pass high school science.

Oh well if their imaginary defeat of me entertains the so be it.

698 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:49:24pm

re: #674 Cato the Elder

Could you put that in English, please?

Sorry about that.

1. When I started in 1993, the department of architecture at Pratt had 2 computer labs with 30 computers, a handful of printers and 1 plotter. By the time I walked in 1999, there were 6 computer labs with over 200 computers and dozens of printers and plotters. (One license of AutoCad alone costs $3,000!) Computers may be great, but they cost much more to operate than drafting boards in a studio.

2. This is be an objective judgement on my part, but it seems to me that within the span of a couple of generations, college has become a home away from home rather than a slightly seedy yet comfortably worn-out facility. Today. with private dorm rooms, immaculately maintained landscaping, and all kinds of bells and whistles, colleges simply have much greater costs just keeping up with what students expect nowadays. (It's not as though the teachers are making good money!)

699 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:49:43pm

re: #452 wozzablog
I too agree with that post.

I love how "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" has turned into "if you disagree with me you should move to cuba."

That is so true. An ugly remark, or a quick insult is an all too easy substitute for honest debate.

700 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:50:39pm

re: #695 wozzablog

We can't all aspire to the Nobel Prize for smug...

No, but you can hope for the one for Smarmy.

701 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:51:08pm

srsly, i'm gone, outta here, vacating the premises, leaving the building, departing the station, arriving elsewhere, reallocating my "me" resource, redefining "not here", exiting, removing from the here..............

*blows raspberry on way out* (anything to maintain my insult quotient for the day)

702 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:52:14pm

re: #700 Cato the Elder

I own that one.

703 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:53:07pm

re: #648 Cato the Elder

In case you are too dense to notice, Mandy doesn't give a shit about you, and it is not within your realm of power to "spare" or "not spare" anyone here. All you are capable of doing is sputtering words.

And just so we are clear, I do not object to anyone challenging Mandy or any other Lizard here. My objection is to your incessant bitching, back-biting and shit talking, like a teen-aged girl who is hatefully, jealously obsessed with some falsely perceived high-school rival.

704 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:53:10pm

re: #701 wozzablog

srsly, i'm gone, outta here, vacating the premises, leaving the building, departing the station, arriving elsewhere, reallocating my "me" resource, redefining "not here", exiting, removing from the here...

*blows raspberry on way out* (anything to maintain my insult quotient for the day)

Elvis has left the building.

705 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:53:37pm

re: #698 Surabaya Stew

OK. Got it.

My interpretation is that college is an elaborate holding pen for rich, stupid kids (and the occasional student who actually wants to learn) set up to keep them safe and happy while they work out their hormonal problems until the age of 21 or 22, at which point they're set loose upon the world.

The other alternative, in this fucked-up country, is jail.

706 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:54:38pm

re: #692 Cato the Elder

Why on earth do you always write that with a capital "C"?

Just wondering.

re: #694 Varek Raith

Signature.
Catch phrase.
:)

Varek has it right, Cato. It's an affectation of mine, nothing more.

707 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:56:07pm

re: #703 Slumbering Behemoth

In case you are too dense to notice, Mandy doesn't give a shit about you, and it is not within your realm of power to "spare" or "not spare" anyone here. All you are capable of doing is sputtering words.

And just so we are clear, I do not object to anyone challenging Mandy or any other Lizard here. My objection is to your incessant bitching, back-biting and shit talking, like a teen-aged girl who is hatefully, jealously obsessed with some falsely perceived high-school rival.

[bows elaborately]

708 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:58:11pm

re: #707 Cato the Elder

[bows elaborately]

[throws rotten tomato]

//

709 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:59:16pm

re: #705 Cato the Elder

OK. Got it.

My interpretation is that college is an elaborate holding pen for rich, stupid kids (and the occasional student who actually wants to learn) set up to keep them safe and happy while they work out their hormonal problems until the age of 21 or 22, at which point they're set loose upon the world.

The other alternative, in this fucked-up country, is jail.

Hmmmm, I think that the entire college package is somewhat overrated, and that your breakdown of university attendees has more than a wisp of truth in it. But come on now, things aren't that bad, no?

710 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:04:39pm

re: #709 Surabaya Stew

Hmmm, I think that the entire college package is somewhat overrated, and that your breakdown of university attendees has more than a wisp of truth in it. But come on now, things aren't that bad, no?

Education is greatest blessing if of best sorts. Otherwise no earthly use.

Kipling. Kim.

711 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:06:20pm

re: #707 Cato the Elder

[bows elaborately]

A curtsy would be more appropriate considering the context, but whatever.

712 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:08:20pm

re: #710 EmmmieG

Education is greatest blessing if of best sorts. Otherwise no earthly use.

Kipling. Kim.

Agreed 100%

I must sign off now; have a full day of work to look forward to in the morning.

Good night, Y'all!

713 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:10:29pm

re: #709 Surabaya Stew

Hmmm, I think that the entire college package is somewhat overrated, and that your breakdown of university attendees has more than a wisp of truth in it. But come on now, things aren't that bad, no?

When a large portion of high-school graduates has to go straight from dumbed-down twelfth-grade classes to remedial English courses, I'd say it's worse than you can possibly imagine.

714 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:12:29pm

re: #713 Cato the Elder

When a large portion of high-school graduates has to go straight from dumbed-down twelfth-grade classes to remedial English courses, I'd say it's worse than you can possibly imagine.

My daughter has something like a cumulative score of 108% in her English class.

I'm hoping this is just because it's Freshman English, and not an indication that she has already surpassed their ability to teach her anything.

715 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:13:34pm

It's late, not sure who is still logged on, but I would like to pass on a blog I read regularly. It's Bill Hess of Wasilla Alaska. I stumbled upon him in 2008 while visiting the different Alaskan blog for Sarah Palin info.

He never writes about Sarah.

He is a published photojournalist/author who has a very detailed past with the Native people of Alaska.

Here is his post about the Wasilla tea party event. It is worth the read imo.

Bill Hess

716 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:13:53pm

re: #615 Varek Raith

I played a video game once where a character said "verily" four times in one sentence.
:)

I watched a live show once, where every sentence started with "Listen".

717 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:16:00pm

re: #705 Cato the Elder

OK. Got it.

My interpretation is that college is an elaborate holding pen for rich, stupid kids (and the occasional student who actually wants to learn) set up to keep them safe and happy while they work out their hormonal problems until the age of 21 or 22, at which point they're set loose upon the world.

The other alternative, in this fucked-up country, is jail.

Your interpretation of who? ((or is that whom?)

718 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:18:24pm

re: #287 Obdicut

Again:

What force did Justice Black's decision have? What changed because of that decision?

You seem to have trouble with this, so I'll answer for you:

The answer is, of course, that almost nothing changed, because there had been a separation of church and state from the beginning of United States.

Seriously?

Didn't we have prayer in school?
Weren't the old school primers comprised largely of bible verses?- (and New Testament ones at that!)

Correct me if I'm wrong... or just toss an insult my way.
If this isn't revisionism ... what am I missing?

I am not saying the judgment was wrong, but I certainly thought things changed because of it.

I am prepared to be mistaken /or insulted, it's all good.

719 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:19:06pm

G'night.

720 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:21:44pm

I see I missed a Troll!
Is there any left?
I could use a late night snack!

721 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:26:42pm

re: #718 swamprat

Learn to use the quote button, or give up.

722 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:29:22pm

re: #721 Cato the Elder

It is very late, and I find your comments to be rodanesque.

/I'll try. 12 hour shift today.

723 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:30:00pm

re: #720 Floral Giraffe

I see I missed a Troll!
Is there any left?
I could use a late night snack!

No more troll meat. Only thing left is the troll gristle.

/

724 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:33:13pm

re: #723 Gus 802

No more troll meat. Only thing left is the troll gristle.

/

Well, thanks, but no thanks.
I'll go dig around in the kitchen.
Wanders off...

725 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:33:21pm

re: #722 swamprat

It is very late, and I find your comments to be rodanesque.

/I'll try. 12 hour shift today.

Not Rodan. Rodin.

Go micturate upwards on a hempen line.

726 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:33:27pm

re: #718 swamprat

What are you talking about, dude?

Weren't the old school primers comprised largely of bible verses?- (and New Testament ones at that!)

I don't know, and it doesn't really matter. We didn't have public schools.

727 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:35:36pm

re: #725 Cato the Elder

Reindeer are fond of human urine;

Go harness a reindeer is what my delicate sister would say.

728 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:37:08pm

Here's an idea. Someone could make a troll beef cuts chart like this only base it on average trolling an flouncing characteristics. Could have something like:

Creationist Cuts
Eye of Wingnuts
Moonbat Tenders
Moncktonloins
Flank Stupid
Racist Rumps...

729 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:39:46pm

re: #726 Obdicut

What are you talking about, dude?

I don't know, and it doesn't really matter. We didn't have public schools.


"What are you talking about, dude?" is one of your "tells".

We didn't have public schools? I didn't know that. I thought the Masons got that done pretty early on. I will look into that.

730 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:42:47pm

re: #725 Cato the Elder

Not Rodan. Rodin.

Go micturate upwards on a hempen line.

Micturating in public may soon cost close to $700 in Baltimore.

731 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:45:02pm

re: #730 Gus 802

Micturating in public may soon cost close to $700 in Baltimore.

They can't squeeze piss out of a stone.

732 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:45:35pm

re: #718 swamprat

Again:

What force did Justice Black's decision have? What changed because of that decision?

You seem to have trouble with this, so I'll answer for you:

The answer is, of course, that almost nothing changed, because there had been a separation of church and state from the beginning of United States.

Seriously?

Didn't we have prayer in school?
Weren't the old school primers comprised largely of bible verses?- (and New Testament ones at that!)

Correct me if I'm wrong... or just toss an insult my way.
If this isn't revisionism ... what am I missing?

I am not saying the judgment was wrong, but I certainly thought things changed because of it.

I am prepared to be mistaken /or insulted, it's all good.

Set yourself up more, why dontcha?

The case I think whatsisbucket was on about, Everson vs. Board of Education applied the strictures of the Establishment Clause to the actions of the states. The case did not involve school prayer.

School prayer, although it had been an issue since the nineteenth century, was not ruled on by the Court for another fifteen years. By the early 1970s, the Court had well established the unconstitutionality of school prayer and religious content.

733 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:46:27pm

re: #731 Cato the Elder

They can't squeeze piss out of a stone.

Seems excessive.

734 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:53:54pm

re: #143 michael78244

CONGRATULATIONS!
You have swept the bottom ten comments of the day, and as a BONUS you've had your account blocked. Such an achievement.
//sorta

735 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:57:27pm

re: #646 Cato the Elder

Google? Hah!

The word is "Schmetterling".

And I dare you to make fun of it.

Schmetterlinge frolicking in the sunshine are as romantic to a German as any damn Frenchy papillons.

Say what you want about German, but even tran-wreck words liek Steuerhinterziehungsbekämpfungsgesetz (anti-tax evasion act) are easy to spell compared to most anything in English. There are standard rules taht apply, and things generally are prounounced as they are spelled and vice versa.

And I find German a very good language for expressing matters that have to do with the subtleties of personal and social relationships, which makes it very good language for a lot of literature. It just sucks for rock and roll, except for massively heavy Death Metal.

736 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:59:30pm

re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think I was setting myself up. Those rulings did change things. The question du jour is;

How much?
and
When?

I had not considered the implications of (very) early privately funded schools versus the later publicly funded schools. Somehow I had thought we had publicly funded schools in the 1800's.

737 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:00:36pm

re: #735 ralphieboy

Say what you want about German, but even trantrain-wreck words liek likeSteuerhinterziehungsbekämpfungsgesetz (anti-tax evasion act) are easy to spell compared to most anything in English. There are standard rules taht thatapply, and things generally are prounounced pronouncedas they are spelled and vice versa.

And I find German a very good language for expressing matters that have to do with the subtleties of personal and social relationships, which makes it very good language for a lot of literature. It just sucks for rock and roll, except for massively heavy Death Metal.

738 Gus  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:02:19pm

Night folks.

739 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:03:51pm

re: #735 ralphieboy

Say what you want about German, but even tran-wreck words liek Steuerhinterziehungsbekämpfungsgesetz (anti-tax evasion act) are easy to spell compared to most anything in English. There are standard rules taht apply, and things generally are prounounced as they are spelled and vice versa.

And I find German a very good language for expressing matters that have to do with the subtleties of personal and social relationships, which makes it very good language for a lot of literature. It just sucks for rock and roll, except for massively heavy Death Metal.

I got a band for you.

They are called RAMMSTEIN

Youtube Video

Seriously as good as German metal gets. Simple and perfect.

740 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:07:14pm

re: #735 ralphieboy

Samuel Beckett, my mentor, called German "that architectonic language".

No higher praise.

741 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:07:24pm

re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist

You can't make this up!

From wikipedia:

A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but soon was demoted to an Office in 1868. Its creation a century later in 1979 was controversial and opposed by many in the Republican Party, who saw the department as an unconstitutional, unnecessary federal bureaucratic intrusion into local affairs.

They hate science!

sigh

742 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:08:10pm

re: #0 swamprat

I don't think I was setting myself up. Those rulings did change things. The question du jour is;

How much?
and
When?

I had not considered the implications of (very) early privately funded schools versus the later publicly funded schools. Somehow I had thought we had publicly funded schools in the 1800's.

It was the 'answer or insult me' that I thought was setting yourself up.

We did have public schools in the 1800s, and the issue of school prayer is dependent, in an indirect way, on the Everson opinion, or more accurately, on the general process of the Court deciding repeatedly that the strictures of the First Amendment applied to the states as well as the federal government.

My only beef is with michael whatsisbucket pretending that separation of church and state was invented by poor old Hugo Black in Everson, which is pure revisionist stupid.

743 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:10:46pm

re: #742 SanFranciscoZionist

It was the 'answer or insult me' that I thought was setting yourself up.

Obdicut is not adverse to either.

744 Mark Pennington  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:11:39pm

re: #720 Floral Giraffe

I see I missed a Troll!
Is there any left?
I could use a late night snack!

ditto. I hate that I always miss the fun around here. I'll settle for a few troll crumbs.

745 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:12:15pm

re: #7 swamprat

Obdicut is not adverse to either.

I missed a round or two, I think. Long thread.

746 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:13:27pm

michael78244

Just for fun, zip code 78244 is San Antonio Texas.
I was curious.
WHY would you include your zip code in your nic?
I know, it was a Troll & thus stupid, but REALLY!

747 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:16:54pm

re: #736 swamprat

We did, started by cities and states, in the 1800s.

What is your point?

Why are you always trying to pick a fight with me?

748 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:18:04pm

re: #742 SanFranciscoZionist

It (school prayer) was accepted when the country was largely of "one faith" (although, how the 'dunkers' and 'sprinklers' avoided throttling one another is beyond me)

But as we became more diverse, it was obvious that adherence to one religion, equaled discrimination against many.

749 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:23:26pm

re: #748 swamprat

If your point is that we haven't had perfect separation of church and state, that's rather obvious.

It doesn't mean we didn't have separation of church and state from the very start. We did.

750 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:28:35pm

re: #747 Obdicut

re: #747 Obdicut

It is my opinion that the rulings we are talking about changed things. You felt they did not change that much. You cited some facts. We had a discussion.

Many people though things changed drastically from those rulings; you not so much. You stated why. This is how discussions are supposed to be.

Who knows how things could go. Civil debate might become the order of the day. Frankly, I was happy to gain a slightly different insight about early American education.

751 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:31:55pm

re: #750 swamprat

Why are you talking like this? What is your deal?

752 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:32:56pm

re: #749 Obdicut

If your point is that we haven't had perfect separation of church and state, that's rather obvious.

It doesn't mean we didn't have separation of church and state from the very start. We did.

From what I read, it was a really mixed bag. Everything from raging Bible-thumpers to atheists, with many going to the Unification Church as a cover to take the heat off from the those who though everybody should go to church.

753 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:33:23pm

re: #743 swamprat

Obdicut is not adverse averse to either.

FTFY.

754 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:35:43pm

re: #752 swamprat

Yes, that's true, though atheists were still quite rare, as it was considered kinda presumptuous. Pre-Darwin atheists were actually a bit presumptuous.

Can you explain why you keep trying to pick fights with me? It's kind of annoying.

755 swamprat  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:43:33pm

re: #751 Obdicut

My deal is that I enjoy debate far more than I like to argue.
I enjoy debate.
I don't go looking for things to argue about simply because I disagree, or find the topic uncomfortable.
I don't pick up stray comments without following back to find the context so I can argue with other people.
I like to learn from other people, even when I don't agree with them.
I don't view people with thoughts different from my own as outside of my tribe; just from a different branch.

I like being here. I like people who like being here.

And my snides aside, I really did want your take on this issue and I enjoyed finding new facts.

756 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 11:44:35pm

re: #755 swamprat

That is really not a very good explanation of why you keep trying to pick a fight with me.

Oh well.

757 cenotaphium  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:07:42am

re: #754 Obdicut

Pre-Darwin atheists were actually a bit presumptuous.

What does this mean?

758 eneri  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:12:23am

Well, a typical uneducated idiot. Try reading FACE BOOK and prayers for the President to die. Same ilk.

759 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:04:41am

re: #757 cenotaphium

What does this mean?

Whoop, if you check back later:

Before Darwin, there was no actual scientific theory of how any sort of complex design could occur by nature alone. There was no theory that could explain the natural world in any sensible way without invoking a god, no matter how remote-- there wasn't an idea that algorithmic processes alone could have the power that evolutions does.

I was being slightly cheeky in saying that, because obviously people like Hooke, who were geniuses and natural scientists, had the opportunity for honest atheism.

But the position of "Designed things must have been designed by a mind, and the universe functions as a large design" was actually a perfectly reasonable position. We had no conception of anything that could promote complex design in a way that would explain the variety of the animal world, and very few people had access to the information that would allow them to understand even the simple complexity of an ice crystal.

The Intelligent Design people are idiots in the modern day, post-Darwin, but before him, when you whipped out a microscope and looked at the natural world, it seemed to be a very designed thing, and no one had proposed a theory of design arising outside a conscious mind.

If you haven't read Darwin's Dangerous Idea, do so and it'll give you a better sense of what I'm awkwardly trying to express.

760 halfastro  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:08:19am

What has happened to this website? What was once a serious and thoughtful blog has devolved into an immature place full of taunts and putdowns. You can do better Charles.

761 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:23:50am

re: #760 halfastro

Ooh, bad timing on that post.

Can you point out the taunts or putdowns in my last post?

762 garhighway  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:27:19am

re: #761 Obdicut

Ooh, bad timing on that post.

Can you point out the taunts or putdowns in my last post?

You used long words. For some, that is a form of taunting.

763 cenotaphium  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:07:49am

re: #759 Obdicut

I understand what you're saying (but I don't agree). I get that you were being a bit cheeky in the original post and it just stood out as a stupid statement. I was going to type up a long rebuttal, but this being a dead thread & a pretty religious forum, suffice it to say that atheism has a long history and plenty of sound proponents (or rather, rebuttals of theism & the supernatural) predating Darwin for thousands of years.

^ I actually wrote that. Then it turned out I wrote a long piece anyway.

I was being slightly cheeky in saying that, because obviously people like Hooke, who were geniuses and natural scientists, had the opportunity for honest atheism.

Honest atheism? Really? You don't need to be a genius to be an "honest" atheist at all. You just need to not believe in a deity. It's simple! Anyone from 0-100 can play. ;)

But the position of "Designed things must have been designed by a mind, and the universe functions as a large design" was actually a perfectly reasonable position.

I don't think that the core ID argument was ever a reasonable one. Pointing to the complex or unexplained to exclaim that it's so mindboggling we have to posit a deist creator to make sense of it doesn't help explain anything. There are still complex & unexplained things today - if "god did it" was ever an answer to a question, it would remain as valid today, until we'd patched yet another hole for the god of the gaps to peer through.

We had no conception of anything that could promote complex design in a way that would explain the variety of the animal world, and very few people had access to the information that would allow them to understand even the simple complexity of an ice crystal.

The history of evolution and the idea of a naturalistic explanation for the complexity of life stretches much farther back than you seem to acknowledge.
Here's a Wiki article.

If you haven't read Darwin's Dangerous Idea, do so and it'll give you a better sense of what I'm awkwardly trying to express.

I haven't read this, and I normally like Dennett, but if it argues what you do here, I probably won't like it. :/
..which won't stop me from reading it, of course.

I will agree with part of what I think is your point though - it has become increasingly easier to point out the hollow explanation of ID the more we learn about the universe and (most importantly) the more this knowledge spreads through society.

I'll stop now. ;_;

764 Lanzman  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:49:15am

At the risk of throwing fuel on the fire, I'd like to point out that the comment Charles posted that everyone is making fun of is essentially correct: there is no "wall of separation" between church and state written in to the Constitution. The text of the first amendment simply says that Congress cannot decree an "official" church/religion for the United States (like the Church of England was for Britain) or prevent people from worshipping as they see fit. That's all. The "wall of separation" was construed from other writings by Jefferson and others and has become pretty much the official stance of the government thru common agreement and force of tradition, but it's not actually present in the Constitution.

765 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 8:21:52am

re: #764 Lanzman

So you didn't bother to read the thread. Great!

766 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 8:32:06am

re: #763 cenotaphium

I'm an atheist.

Honest atheism? Really? You don't need to be a genius to be an "honest" atheist at all. You just need to not believe in a deity. It's simple! Anyone from 0-100 can play. ;)

Oh, sorry, I don't mean the trivial version of atheism, like that. I mean solid atheism, a disbelief, rather than a lack of belief.

Sorry, that's probably the root of this problem. I'm talking about strong atheism.

The history of evolution and the idea of a naturalistic explanation for the complexity of life stretches much farther back than you seem to acknowledge.

No, I'm sorry, it really doesn't. That article clearly says that before the 1800s, essentialism ruled. They weren't even trying to figure out how animals had adapted, because they didn't think there was a process of adaptation.

There were a few very bright lights who forged ahead, but they were far outside the mainstream of intellectual thought.

There are still complex & unexplained things today - if "god did it" was ever an answer to a question, it would remain as valid today, until we'd patched yet another hole for the god of the gaps to peer through.

It really wasn't just "god did it", though. It was, "This was designed." And yes, before we had any real reason to think that complexity could arise from the natural world, an assertion of design wasn't illogical at all. You are completely correct that it pushes back the question one step-- who designed god?-- but you have to remember that during those pre-enlightenment times science really didn't achieve all that much. It wasn't until the scientific method that science was actually credible. If you examine the arguments used by those proto-evolutionists that you name, you'll find that they contain a lot of errors that wouldn't be made in today's scientific climate.

There is very little biological difference between the human beings of today and those of pre-Darwin times. When explaining the eventual rejection of the deist argument, the importance of Darwinism, of the idea that design could come from nature and a very, very strong proof that this fully explained and proved adaptation, cannot be overstated.

767 steve_davis  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 8:42:00am

So just to be sure I understand this, if you're a "lefty dumbass faggot," you are allowed to stay, but if you aren't, you're required to move to Cuba? Does this mean teabaggers want to increase the ratio of lefty dumbass faggots? For what nefarious reason, pray tell?

768 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 8:44:17am

re: #767 steve_davis

So just to be sure I understand this, if you're a "lefty dumbass faggot," you are allowed to stay, but if you aren't, you're required to move to Cuba? Does this mean teabaggers want to increase the ratio of lefty dumbass faggots? For what nefarious reason, pray tell?

Don't waste time trying to figure out hate mail. Just appreciate the pure insanity of it.

769 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:27:03am

re: #764 Lanzman

At the risk of throwing fuel on the fire, I'd like to point out that the comment Charles posted that everyone is making fun of is essentially correct: there is no "wall of separation" between church and state written in to the Constitution. The text of the first amendment simply says that Congress cannot decree an "official" church/religion for the United States (like the Church of England was for Britain) or prevent people from worshipping as they see fit. That's all. The "wall of separation" was construed from other writings by Jefferson and others and has become pretty much the official stance of the government thru common agreement and force of tradition, but it's not actually present in the Constitution.

That's nonsense. The words "wall of separation" are not in the Constitution, of course, but nobody said they were. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is very clear that creating a wall of separation was paramount in the founders' intentions. Quote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

That clause is perfectly clear on its own (except to fundamentalists trying to confuse the issue), and to reinforce it, a series of ironclad Supreme Court decisions have verified and supported the "wall of separation" interpretation.

Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and others also made it very clear through their other writings that a wall of separation really was their intent.

770 Lanzman  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:38:16am
Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and others also made it very clear through their other writings that a wall of separation really was their intent.

Yeah. That's what I said. I wasn't making a point about the phrase "wall of separation", but the concept of it. The verbiage in the first amendment does not establish that wall. It merely says Congress can't establish an official religion or prohibit free worship. The "wall" is largely a judicial construct of the Supreme Court and common understanding of the intent of the framers of the Constitution. This is, in essence, no different than the argument over the second amendment's "well-regulated militia" bit, which causes all kinds of confusion in modern readers. The language used in the Amendments could have been written to be more explicit, I suppose, but if you understand the grammatical construction of the time, it makes perfect sense.

771 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:16:16am

re: #770 Lanzman

I love that you simultaneously acknowledge that the framers intended to create such a wall but at the same time say that their verbiage doesn't do so. It's a baffling bit of pretzel-logic.

772 cenotaphium  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:40:53am
I'm an atheist.

Hooray, I guess? ;)

Oh, sorry, I don't mean the trivial version of atheism, like that. I mean solid atheism, a disbelief, rather than a lack of belief.

..trivial? First "honest" atheism, and now weak atheism is "trivial"? *shakes fist*

I'm talking about strong atheism.

Which is a silly position. Positively affirming a negative. :S

There were a few very bright lights who forged ahead, but they were far outside the mainstream of intellectual thought.

There's a difference between arguing that the ideas were novel, and that they were widespread. We seem to be saying different things here? I'm saying that Darwin was indeed the stepping stone that popularized (the biological part of) the naturalistic world view, but he was hardly the first to suggest it.
Gotta plug my countryman Linnaeus here.

It was, "This was designed." And yes, before we had any real reason to think that complexity could arise from the natural world, an assertion of design wasn't illogical at all.

But arguments like this was pushed back by any number of Greek philosophies, including the idea of the atom - infinite complexity arising from a single indivisible element. If the defense of "looks designed" philosophy is simply an incredulity toward naturally arising complexity, ideas such as the atom should properly nail it shut. I guess I just don't see your point here.

but you have to remember that during those pre-enlightenment times science really didn't achieve all that much. It wasn't until the scientific method that science was actually credible.

Oh come on! That's just outright false. There was a significant increase in discovery after the enlightement, mostly due to the spread and standardization of a scientific method. But to claim that pre-enlightement science didn't achieve much is.. wild. The core of mathematics, the backbone of science, was formulated centuries before the enlightement, along with central concepts like geometry and logic. I don't understand how you can claim what you do here.

When explaining the eventual rejection of the deist argument, the importance of Darwinism, of the idea that design could come from nature and a very, very strong proof that this fully explained and proved adaptation, cannot be overstated.

I agree.

I think the real issue I have with what you're saying is that you're glossing over the significant achievements of early science - building blocks still in use today, created well before what we see as modern science (post-enlightenment). The scientific method itself predates the enlightenment significantly - but again, it was not widely spread. Of course, widespread education is a pretty novel idea & one that has shifted the balance toward reason moreso than the discoveries it teaches IMHO.

773 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:55:58am

re: #772 cenotaphium

..trivial? First "honest" atheism, and now weak atheism is "trivial"? *shakes fist*

Heh. I don't mean trivial in importance, I mean logically trivial. Again, sorry. It's logically trivial to not believe in a deity, or any number of deities.

There's a difference between arguing that the ideas were novel, and that they were widespread. We seem to be saying different things here? I'm saying that Darwin was indeed the stepping stone that popularized (the biological part of) the naturalistic world view, but he was hardly the first to suggest it.

Okay. What I'm saying is that there was not a strong overlap between people who had valid scientific theories about the universe and atheism before Darwin. There were people who advocated amazingly advanced theories on design, and there were atheists, but rarely the same person.

Oh come on! That's just outright false. There was a significant increase in discovery after the enlightement, mostly due to the spread and standardization of a scientific method. But to claim that pre-enlightement science didn't achieve much is.. wild. The core of mathematics, the backbone of science, was formulated centuries before the enlightement, along with central concepts like geometry and logic. I don't understand how you can claim what you do here.

Well, it's a difference in scale, I guess. I don't feel that the core of mathematics was formed pre-Enlightenment, at all. Moreover, mathematics is almost a metascience; it is capable of describing not just this world, but unreal worlds as well, with equal fidelity.

I think the real issue I have with what you're saying is that you're glossing over the significant achievements of early science - building blocks still in use today, created well before what we see as modern science (post-enlightenment).

I'm not glossing over them. I'm saying they had a very rough and inconsistent history, which they did. Great things were achieved pre-Enlightenment, but it is not comparable to what was achieved post-Enlightenment-- and that is superseded again by what was achieved, and is still being fully explored, in the post-Darwin world.

And yeah, I'm talking more about the entire community of scientists rather than individual ones-- just because atoms had been first proposed in ancient Greece and the concept better explored by Liebnitz does not mean that 99.9% of actual scientific discover about the nature of atoms wasn't achieved post-Enlightenment.

I give all credit in the world to the scientific achievements of people who were laboring pre-Enlightenment, pre-scientific method, pre-world community of scientists, and pre-Darwin. However, I see no point in pretending that the achievements in the structure and philosophy of science haven't resulted in an order of magnitude more science.

I think what we can agree upon is that the early scientific work was absolutely necessary for eventual improvement to the structure and philosophy of science. But imagine what a mind like Aristotle's could do in the present day, with a modern framework of scientific discovery!

774 cenotaphium  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:58:01am

re: #771 Obdicut

I love that you simultaneously acknowledge that the framers intended to create such a wall but at the same time say that their verbiage doesn't do so. It's a baffling bit of pretzel-logic.

I think he's just (awkwardly) trying to make the point that there's a difference in the letter of the law and the spirit of the law that complicates the issue for modern readers who don't have the historical context?
If so, I agree.

If it was something mundane, like the Bible, I'd suggest you take some experts and rewrite it into modern english. ;)

Isn't problems of interpretation what the SC is for?

775 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:06:29pm

re: #774 cenotaphium

Meh, this bit:

It merely says Congress can't establish an official religion or prohibit free worship.

Is merely one interpretation of the 'verbiage', and no more valid than saying it shows that the government can't prefer one religion over another. There isn't just one possible reading of the verbiage.

776 cenotaphium  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:22:24pm

re: #773 Obdicut

What I'm saying is that there was not a strong overlap between people who had valid scientific theories about the universe and atheism before Darwin.

Agreed.

I give all credit in the world to the scientific achievements of people who were laboring pre-Enlightenment, pre-scientific method, pre-world community of scientists, and pre-Darwin. However, I see no point in pretending that the achievements in the structure and philosophy of science haven't resulted in an order of magnitude more science.
I think what we can agree upon is that the early scientific work was absolutely necessary for eventual improvement to the structure and philosophy of science. But imagine what a mind like Aristotle's could do in the present day, with a modern framework of scientific discovery!

I have to agree. How boring. :(
Also well put.

I considered nitpicking a bit about mathematics, but it was just minor quibbles. I think we've reached equilibrium in this debate. It was a nice one though! :)

How about religion for our next round? ;)

777 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:24:30pm

re: #776 cenotaphium

I don't consider religion a subject of debate, really. I'm a hardcore atheist. All supernatural stuff is simply impossible by definition, as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry for having phrased myself so awkwardly at first on the science subject, and thanks for allowing me to explain myself.

778 Lanzman  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:50:48pm

re: #771 Obdicut

I love that you simultaneously acknowledge that the framers intended to create such a wall but at the same time say that their verbiage doesn't do so. It's a baffling bit of pretzel-logic.

Yes, because it's the only time ever in the history of governance that the letter of the law and the spirit of the law show a difference. I'm sure that the text that wound up in the Amendment as we see it was fiddled and diddled and twiddled as it went thru the process of being adopted, and it's not that much of a stretch to say that the actual wording ended up being different from what was originally intended.

779 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:34:28pm

re: #778 Lanzman

Yes, because it's the only time ever in the history of governance that the letter of the law and the spirit of the law show a difference

Has nothing to do with what I was saying. I'm asserting that the 'letter' of the law doesn't exist as a literal truth. It only exists in interpretation. It's not a mathematical equation, it's language.

780 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:48:37pm

The NY Times magazine did a nice article about this topic a month or two ago I think and it concluded that yea, there was some religious influence but that it was non-specific and very generalized in the stream of thought of the framers.

Most were what we call Episcopalians, a couple of Catholics, some Congregationalists, and Unitarians. No heavy duty evangelicals there.

I am reading [Link: www.thedailycaller.com...] to see what the flying monkeys on the right think from day to day. Today one said that conservatism referred to the Constitution but none of these people have a law school education and I wonder where the hell they get their so called knowledge. As an attorney even I find Con law to be abstruse and hard to understand. How can a flying monkey hold the key to it? or Fix News?
Note the Teabonic manner of spelling Constitution: "Constition."


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