Mainstreaming Extremism on Fox Business Network

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The far right freak show called Freedom Watch will soon be a mainstream staple on the Fox Business Network, hosted by Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Freedom Watch began as a web-only show; here’s an episode featuring one of Napolitano’s frequent guests, conspiracy whack job Alex Jones, who Napolitano introduces as “the one, the only, the great Alex Jones.” This web show was actually simulcast on the Alex Jones show.

After Napolitano’s gushing intro, Jones immediately launches into a swivel-eyed rant about the New World Order, the North American Union, Ron Paul, and the takeover of the world by evil bankers. Napolitano enthusiastically agrees.

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Other frequent guests on Napolitano’s show have included Ron Paul (as mentioned above) and racist paleocon Lew Rockwell. Quality Fox News programming!

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986 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:43:12am

I listen to Brian and the Judge on Fox News Talk.

I have no idea why. The show is kind of, well... suck.

2 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:43:22am

Its part of their ongoing strategy to force out Comedy Central.

3 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:43:32am

Heh...when I first read this I thought, "What the fuck is up with Janet Napolitano?" But this is "Judge" Andrew Napolitano...on Fox.

4 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:47:27am

The Bad Craziness continues its march. I hope Fox at least keeps Alex Jones off the show from here on out.

5 Kragar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:49:01am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

The Bad Craziness continues its march. I hope Fox at least keeps Alex Jones off the show from here on out.

More likely, Alex Jones ends up with his own segment, if not his own show.

6 pharmmajor  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:49:08am

Utterly bizarre. The only sane voice of reason on Fox is John Stossel, and they didn't even give him a program on their main channel!

7 countrockulot  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:53:24am

It's the lupus of news.

8 cineaste  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:54:54am

"A GLOBAL new deal..."

It's, I don't know, as if our prosperity is somehow linked to the rest of world! *gasp*
///

Why are these people so petrified of interacting with the rest of the world?

9 cineaste  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:56:00am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

The Bad Craziness continues its march. I hope Fox at least keeps Alex Jones off the show from here on out.

Well seeing as how they never batted an eye before I haven't a clue why they would start now.

10 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:57:25am

Did you guys see Jon Stewart on Fox News last night? Only Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox has ever used a Gospel Quire so skillfully to drive a point home.

11 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:58:08am
“the one, the only, the great Alex Jones.”

Ugh.

12 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:59:54am

New World Order nonsense. Ron Paul, North American Union. Yeesh! There's a reason Truthers show up at Tea Parties. They are not infiltrators.

13 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:00:29pm

Any bets on whether Fox Business Network reports the fact that GM (no longer Government Motors) paid back $5.4 billion dollars on Tuesday to the US and Canadian governments (and that's WITH interest!)?

14 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:01:49pm

I will still defend Red Eye as the only show on Fox worth watching, the only talk show worth watching, and one of the funniest shows on tv.

15 Ericus58  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:01:59pm

What a mess.....
Alex Jones.....

Idiots.

16 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:02:12pm

re: #13 darthstar

Any bets on whether Fox Business Network reports the fact that GM (no longer Government Motors) paid back $5.4 billion dollars on Tuesday to the US and Canadian governments (and that's WITH interest!)?

Of course not, it goes against their slogan of "We alter reality. You are sold a preconceived narrative."

17 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:03:35pm

re: #13 darthstar

Any bets on whether Fox Business Network reports the fact that GM (no longer Government Motors) paid back $5.4 billion dollars on Tuesday to the US and Canadian governments (and that's WITH interest!)?

They'll report it in passing, but quickly move on.

18 steve-b  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:04:53pm

It's like Fox News is trying to retroactively justify every bad things liberals have ever said about them.

19 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:04:54pm

Alex Jone's is bragging that Glenn Beck and Limbaugh are now exposing the New World Order.

20 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:05:20pm

re: #14 Mad Al-Jaffee

I will still defend Red Eye as the only show on Fox worth watching, the only talk show worth watching, and one of the funniest shows on tv.

Pretty funny show..I saw it a few times..It was on really late

21 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:06:08pm

re: #20 HoosierHoops

Pretty funny show..I saw it a few times..It was on really late

3 AM! I tape it every night and watch it the next day.

22 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:08:28pm

Weird. I did a Google search using Alex Jones Fox News and this came up as the second hit. It is a Google cache page of a Prison Planet (I know, I know) story. They seem to think that Fox News is out to get Alex Jones, not give him a platform to spew his idiocy from.


*Snip*

So in actual fact Fox News is paying its employees to search through the thousands of comments Infowars receives each day that even our own moderators cannot properly keep up with, in a desperate effort to find any hint of violent rhetoric as an excuse to turn in Alex Jones to the authorities, in some kind of bizarre thought police/Nazi denunciation campaign.

BTW, LGF came in at #6 with that search

23 cineaste  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:08:39pm

re: #14 Mad Al-Jaffee

I will still defend Red Eye as the only show on Fox worth watching, the only talk show worth watching, and one of the funniest shows on tv.

You will defend it but you will be wrong. That show is unwatchable. Why can't the right do funny?

It's like they don't understand irony correctly.

24 cineaste  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:09:16pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

They'll report it in passing, but quickly move on.

They'll report that it's Obama's fault that the government didn't get $6 billion.

25 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:10:22pm

re: #23 cineaste

You will defend it but you will be wrong. That show is unwatchable. Why can't the right do funny?

It's like they don't understand irony correctly.

I think it's because of the 11th commandment comedy needs to be able to turns the guns on yourself every now and again for it to be truly comedic, otherwise its just teasing.

26 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:11:10pm

re: #23 cineaste

You will defend it but you will be wrong. That show is unwatchable. Why can't the right do funny?

It's like they don't understand irony correctly.

No, I'm right. It's a hilarious show, and Gutfeld is more Libertarian than Republican. The show reminds me of early David Letterman, back when he was funny and unpredictable. Vintage Howard Stern too.

27 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:11:56pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Did you guys see Jon Stewart on Fox News last night? Only Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox has ever used a Gospel Quire so skillfully to drive a point home.

Go F$%k Yourself Fox:

and then last night with a choir:

(Upding for Dr. Cox)

28 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:12:18pm

I've alluded before to the excellent wikipedia article on Conspiracy Theory.
This quote from the introduction might be especially appropriate here:

In the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries, conspiracy theories have become commonplace in mass media. This has contributed to conspiracism emerging as a cultural phenomenon and the possible replacement of democracy by conspiracy as the dominant paradigm of political action in the public mind. [1] According to anthropologists Todd Sanders and Harry G. West, "evidence suggests that a broad cross section of Americans today…gives credence to at least some conspiracy theories." (emphasis added)

This means that more and more people see public action as driven by hidden factors like widespread conspiracy, rather than by familiar democratic processes (voter perception, legislative deals etc.).
This strikes me as very dangerous.

29 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:14:06pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Did you guys see Jon Stewart on Fox News last night? Only Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox has ever used a Gospel Quire so skillfully to drive a point home.

Payback is a bitch OOOOO payback is a bitch YES LORD payback is a bitch.

30 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:14:49pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

31 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:15:45pm

Reminds me of the Jim Jones crowd who drank the tea and died. They all believed in the movement.

What is there about the right wing that makes it so psychotic and paranoid?

32 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:16:58pm

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel

I've alluded before to the excellent wikipedia article on Conspiracy Theory.
This quote from the introduction might be especially appropriate here:

This means that more and more people see public action as driven by hidden factors like widespread conspiracy, rather than by familiar democratic processes (voter perception, legislative deals etc.).
This strikes me as very dangerous.

are you sure you don't underestimate the extent to which it has always been thus? from communist infiltration to manchurian candidates to new world orders...i'll bet the percentage hasn't changed as much as the CT du jour...

33 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:17:43pm

re: #31 elektramourns

Reminds me of the Jim Jones crowd who drank the tea and died. They all believed in the movement.

What is there about the right wing that makes it so psychotic and paranoid?

What reminds you of the "Jim Jones crowd"?

34 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:18:06pm

re: #31 elektramourns

Reminds me of the Jim Jones crowd who drank the tea and died. They all believed in the movement.

What is there about the right wing that makes it so psychotic and paranoid?

It's been debated but I believe it's the follower mentality. Independent thinking is not stressed, especially by the religious wing of the Republican Party. There is one right answer, you don't have it, so listen to me and I'll explain it all to you ... ala Rush Limbaugh/Glen Beck/Pat Robertson etc who take extremely advantage of the "willingness to follow".

35 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:18:31pm

re: #31 elektramourns

Reminds me of the Jim Jones crowd who drank the tea and died. They all believed in the movement.

What is there about the right wing that makes it so psychotic and paranoid?

and why is elektra so sad?

36 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:19:19pm

re: #35 Aceofwhat?

and why is elektra so sad?

Why do fools fall in love?

37 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:20:05pm

re: #30 lawhawk

[Video]

Guy Love

38 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:20:36pm

re: #36 Mad Al-Jaffee

Why do fools fall in love?

because love, sweet love, is what the world needs now!

39 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:20:59pm

re: #31 elektramourns

Reminds me of the Jim Jones crowd who drank the tea and died. They all believed in the movement.

What is there about the right wing that makes it so psychotic and paranoid?

Welcome Hatchling! Tell us about yourself.

40 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:21:26pm

re: #36 Mad Al-Jaffee

Why do fools fall in love?


Probably the Pompatus of it.

41 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:21:37pm

re: #34 Locker

It's been debated but I believe it's the follower mentality. Independent thinking is not stressed, especially by the religious wing of the Republican Party. There is one right answer, you don't have it, so listen to me and I'll explain it all to you ... ala Rush Limbaugh/Glen Beck/Pat Robertson etc who take extremely advantage of the "willingness to follow".

There is a free book online, "The Authoritarians" by Altemeyer. It will download into a Kindle. It addresses your question from a personality perspective.

[Link: www.audible.com...]

42 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:22:16pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

There is a free book online, "The Authoritarians" by Altemeyer. It will download into a Kindle. It addresses your question from a personality perspective.

[Link: www.audible.com...]

Good looking out I'll be sure to look it up.

43 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:23:20pm

elektra is sad because her mom and her mom's lover killed her dad, and now she and her bro, Orestes, will need to avenge the murder.

44 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:24:16pm

re: #43 elektramourns

elektra is sad because her mom and her mom's lover killed her dad, and now she and her bro, Orestes, will need to avenge the murder.

And she joined The Hand, got employed by The Kingpin, and has to fight against Daredevil (aka Matt Murdoch, her college sweetheart.)

45 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:24:30pm

re: #43 elektramourns

elektra is sad because her mom and her mom's lover killed her dad, and now she and her bro, Orestes, will need to avenge the murder.

It becomes you, I must say.

46 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:25:34pm

I cannot begin to tell you how lucky I feel to be able to read and post on this site. Membership was closed for a long time. I feel great!

47 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:25:43pm

re: #42 Locker

Good looking out I'll be sure to look it up.

Wife has downloaded it w/o problems. The way she describes it sounds like an update of Weber's "The Authoritarian Personality". (I'm way behind in reading.)

48 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:26:17pm

Ha! McConnell's jowels have a twitter page!

[Link: twitter.com...]

49 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:26:22pm

re: #43 elektramourns

elektra is sad because her mom and her mom's lover killed her dad, and now she and her bro, Orestes, will need to avenge the murder.

But mourning becomes her.

50 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:26:26pm

Mourning Becomes Electra

51 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:26:37pm

re: #46 elektramourns

I cannot begin to tell you how lucky I feel to be able to read and post on this site. Membership was closed for a long time. I feel great!

Is it initiation time?

52 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:26:57pm

re: #44 Mad Al-Jaffee

And she joined The Hand, got employed by The Kingpin, and has to fight against Daredevil (aka Matt Murdoch, her college sweetheart.)

Decent movie. And it did bring Jeniffer Garner and Ben Affleck together. The result being a seemingly good marriage and two daughters.

53 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:28:22pm

re: #51 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is it initiation time?

you mean, is it time for the hatchling to buy a round?

i vote 'yes'.

54 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:28:44pm

re: #48 darthstar

55 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:28:49pm

re: #51 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is it initiation time?

she just registered this morning. i think it was one of those 'stealth registration periods' that Charles sometimes does. We'll need to keep the paddles handy in case YL92 sneaked in again, though.

56 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:29:33pm

Press release from Fox.

Dear real Americans,

The progressive left has once again used their domination of the media to unfairly smear our fair and balanced reporting of today's most crucial issues.
We here at Fox, know what real American values are. We understand that the average American is rightly enraged at the advances of international communism in this nation and the fact that our battle is so hard fought. We have true faith though that this great Christian nation will push past these dark times and revitalize the clean, unstained America that our forefathers meant for us when they founded this great Christian Nation.

We will bring you the truth of how great and good Christian men like Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Reagan fought to keep our nation safe from all pollution - be it the perverse ideas of foreigners or the domestic enemies that are so much more dangerous.

We understand that the progressives are winning this fight. They have put one of their own in the White House. The great founders might weep that an atheist communist Muslim foreigner is in their vaunted house of freedom, but we can not editorialize on that. We only report the facts and leave it to you, the viewer to decide if you still want America as it should be.

We know that we are in a difficult battle against many forces. The liberal elite is called elite for a reason. They control the airwaves and they control the academic institutions of this nation. They control the scientists and they use the greatest hoax in human history, so called, Global Warming, to scare the good people of America into accepting yet more freedoms taken from them as they march our great nation towards a one world socialist state where Jesus will be outlawed and good clean Americans will be herded into slave camps. But we can not editorialize on that either. We only report the facts in a fair and balanced way and let you, the loyal American viewer decide. We promise to never pollute your airwaves with filthy progressive propaganda.

Therefore we have taken as a model the information distribution of other great freedom fighters in the past who understood the dangers of world communism and the threat of polluting liberal agents in one's own homeland.

Fox proudly announces that we are the:

Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes"

Which means in God's tongue, English,

The people's ministry for the good of the people.

We are Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News!

57 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:30:19pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Decent movie. And it did bring Jeniffer Garner and Ben Affleck together. The result being a seemingly good marriage and two daughters.

I never saw the movie, but I have most of the Frank Miller Daredevil comics. Great stuff.

58 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:30:46pm

re: #46 elektramourns

I cannot begin to tell you how lucky I feel to be able to read and post on this site. Membership was closed for a long time. I feel great!

Welcome to the jungle. Don't forget your troll and shrieking harpy repellent!

59 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:32:04pm

re: #58 Locker

Welcome to the jungle. Don't forget your troll and shrieking harpy repellent!

And if any LGF guys show up at your place and tells you you have to take off your top to protect yourself from something on the internet, don't do it. He just wants to see your boobs!

60 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:33:29pm

For those not familiar with the New World Order : When they talk about bankers secretly running the world it's a thinly veiled reference to Jews. Anyone who thinks the Alex Jones/Glenn Beck/Fox News/Birch society/Tea Party/Republican party is really going to support Israel is kidding themselves.

61 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:33:57pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Beat me.

62 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:34:37pm

re: #32 Aceofwhat?

are you sure you don't underestimate the extent to which it has always been thus? from communist infiltration to manchurian candidates to new world orders...i'll bet the percentage hasn't changed as much as the CT du jour...

It isn't really quantifiable but the subject is under very serious study by all sorts of scholars, anthropologists, historians, psychologists, and folklore analysts.
There is no doubt conspiracy theories have always been popular among certain subcultures and social classes:

The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts. He ascribes all his failure to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy (H.L. Mencken, 1936)


Conspiracy theories of one kind or another have been a necessary component of all modern totalitarian governments.

Even so, the mainstreaming of conspiracy theory is almost certainly something new, at least in the democratic west. Somebody like Alex Jones would not have had a major network platform in the 80s, for example. In the 60s, the John Birch Society's elaborate conspiracy theories were an object of ridicule in the larger culture. Belief in conspiracy theories was popular at least from early modern times but until very recently they were always part of folklore, the mythology of the insignificant. With a few notable exceptions like the Anti-Masonic Party, they played little or no role in the larger ebb and flow of real world politics.

63 cenotaphium  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:35:26pm

re: #56 LudwigVanQuixote

We are Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News!

That was a damned long buildup to end on a Godwin. :/

What preceded it was good though.

64 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:35:50pm

I've got to head out for a little bit. I'll be back soon.

65 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:36:02pm

Gives new meaning to "crazy like a Fox".

What is there about the right wing that makes it so psychotic and paranoid?

There's news channels and other media that pander to this and try to instill it. Right now, since the Left runs the show, it has no reason to teach that Boossh is planning to {insert bad outrage thingie here}. But back when the Republicans had more political power, there were all sorts of theories running around about how the Vietnam war was really a war for the immense deposits of oil known secretly to lie just off South Vietnam. Or what have you.

It's tough medicine to swallow, that you're losing because of plain old sensible reasons like that you ran the wrong candidate, or advanced the wrong platform, or you ran the right candidate with the right platform but the other guy had better looks.

66 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:36:44pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

For those not familiar with the New World Order : When they talk about bankers secretly running the world it's a thinly veiled reference to Jews.

Are these the same folks who think Fluoride is a commie plot?

(I am waiting for the day Beck does a show on the evils of Fluoride.)

67 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:36:57pm

I don't understand Napolitano's appeal... he has an irritating on-screen presence, and not much else IMO.
Maybe they can hire Danny Deutsch, since Olby threw a fit and demanded that MSNBC take him off air for talking about how many fits he (KO) throws on air.

68 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:37:08pm

re: #59 Mad Al-Jaffee

And if any LGF guys show up at your place and tells you you have to take off your top to protect yourself from something on the internet, don't do it. He just wants to see your boobs!

yeah, but i did anyway...no one ever asks guys to take their shirt off so i was kinda flattered/

69 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:37:18pm

re: #66 webevintage

Are these the same folks who think Fluoride is a commie plot?

(I am waiting for the day Beck does a show on the evils of Fluoride.)

I do not avoid women, but I do deny them my essence.

70 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:37:40pm

re: #56 LudwigVanQuixote

Press release from Fox.

Dear real Americans,

The progressive left has once again used their domination of the media to unfairly smear our fair and balanced reporting of today's most crucial issues.
We here at Fox, know what real American values are. We understand that the average American is rightly enraged at the advances of international communism in this nation and the fact that our battle is so hard fought. We have true faith though that this great Christian nation will push past these dark times and revitalize the clean, unstained America that our forefathers meant for us when they founded this great Christian Nation.

We will bring you the truth of how great and good Christian men like Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Reagan fought to keep our nation safe from all pollution - be it the perverse ideas of foreigners or the domestic enemies that are so much more dangerous.

We understand that the progressives are winning this fight. They have put one of their own in the White House. The great founders might weep that an atheist communist Muslim foreigner is in their vaunted house of freedom, but we can not editorialize on that. We only report the facts and leave it to you, the viewer to decide if you still want America as it should be.

We know that we are in a difficult battle against many forces. The liberal elite is called elite for a reason. They control the airwaves and they control the academic institutions of this nation. They control the scientists and they use the greatest hoax in human history, so called, Global Warming, to scare the good people of America into accepting yet more freedoms taken from them as they march our great nation towards a one world socialist state where Jesus will be outlawed and good clean Americans will be herded into slave camps. But we can not editorialize on that either. We only report the facts in a fair and balanced way and let you, the loyal American viewer decide. We promise to never pollute your airwaves with filthy progressive propaganda.

Therefore we have taken as a model the information distribution of other great freedom fighters in the past who understood the dangers of world communism and the threat of polluting liberal agents in one's own homeland.

Fox proudly announces that we are the:

Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes"

Which means in God's tongue, English,

The people's ministry for the good of the people.

We are Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News!

Doubleplus well put.

71 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:37:43pm

re: #63 cenotaphium

That was a damned long buildup to end on a Godwin. :/

What preceded it was good though.

It's not a Godwin if the analogy is accurate.

Th central message of these guys is not at all very different from that of the early Nazis - and they learned the use of the big lie all too well.

72 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:37:56pm

re: #70 lostlakehiker

Doubleplus well put.

Thank you!

73 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:38:10pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

My problem with alleged large scale conspiracies is the fact that the odds on a large amount of people pulling off some big conspiracy without fucking it up are slim to none. I can't even get the right dipping sauce for my nuggets at the drive through.

74 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:38:16pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

great reply, thanks-

75 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:38:25pm

re: #6 pharmmajor

Utterly bizarre. The only sane voice of reason on Fox is John Stossel, and they didn't even give him a program on their main channel!

Shep Smith has slapped down wing nut talking points now and again, undermining their entire news cycle..............

76 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:39:07pm

re: #75 wozzablog

Shep Smith has slapped down wing nut talking points now and again, undermining their entire news cycle...

Yeah I have boundless respect for his "We are America, we do not f***ing torture!" Outburst.

77 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:39:11pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

Conspiracy theories of one kind or another have been a necessary component of all modern totalitarian governments.

[snip]

Which governments, which conspiracy theories?

78 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:39:15pm

re: #66 webevintage

Are these the same folks who think Fluoride is a commie plot?

(I am waiting for the day Beck does a show on the evils of Fluoride.)

The fluoride thing only works as long as we and the commies put strontium-90 into the atmosphere through testing.

79 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:39:42pm

re: #75 wozzablog

Shep Smith has slapped down wing nut talking points now and again, undermining their entire news cycle...

Sheppard Smith is like a cop on the take from a drug dealer. He gives up a few minor busts now and then just to make the whole organization seem legitimate.

80 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:40:09pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

For those not familiar with the New World Order : When they talk about bankers secretly running the world it's a thinly veiled reference to Jews. Anyone who thinks the Alex Jones/Glenn Beck/Fox News/Birch society/Tea Party/Republican party is really going to support Israel is kidding themselves.

pffffft.

they will support Israel until it's time for Jeebus to come back and smite the unbelievers with his AK47........... (no real change on the part of the religious right in that respect)

81 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:40:29pm

re: #79 Locker

Sheppard Smith is like a cop on the take from a drug dealer. He gives up a few minor busts now and then just to make the whole organization seem legitimate.

That is a glorious simile.

82 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:40:54pm

re: #80 wozzablog

pffft.

they will support Israel until it's time for Jeebus to come back and smite the unbelievers with his AK47... (no real change on the part of the religious right in that respect)

AK47 why would Jeebus use one of them blasted forign' guns?

83 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:41:13pm

re: #73 Locker

My problem with alleged large scale conspiracies is the fact that the odds on a large amount of people pulling off some big conspiracy without fucking it up are slim to none. I can't even get the right dipping sauce for my nuggets at the drive through.

Among CT debunkers, that is the "sociological argument." I like to tell, say, UFO enthusiasts and creationists that I don't know two scientists who can agree on where to eat lunch, let alone to combine with all other scientists in an airtight criminal conspiracy to suppress a discovery that would win any one of them a Nobel Prize.

84 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:41:22pm

re: #79 Locker

heh. true dat.

but better the audience occasionally hears that the president is from the USA every now and again, rather than not at all.

85 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:41:27pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

The fluoride thing only works as long as we and the commies put strontium-90 into the atmosphere through testing.

Myself and siblings all have great teeth compared to my parents who's mouths are full of holes and metal. I attribute the situation to our fluoridated water.

86 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:41:51pm

Was this posted already?


Tax Day Tea Party 2010

with bonus Victoria Jackson song about the Communist in the White House...

l

87 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:41:52pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

All Nightmare Long... and it's barium and arsenic /.

88 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:43:25pm

re: #85 Locker

Myself and siblings all have great teeth compared to my parents who's mouths are full of holes and metal. I attribute the situation to our fluoridated water.

Sure, but how are your Precious Bodily Essences?

89 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:43:47pm

re: #80 wozzablog

pffft.

they will support Israel until it's time for Jeebus to come back and smite the unbelievers with his AK47... (no real change on the part of the religious right in that respect)

You are probably right. If those unbelievers smoked the AK-47 around these parts they'd be ready to see and believe just about anything!

90 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:43:57pm

Thanks to the Lizard who linked the Ross Douthat piece this morning, because in it I found this link, which clarifies for me the journey the conservative movement has taken since 1986 to arrive at the mess we see today. It also makes clear that if the Republicans are going to allow Judge Napolitano, Buchanan, Lew Rockwell and the like to have a seat at their table, they had to remove Frum. Here's the closing lines, but do RTWT:

They began by hating the neoconservatives. They came to hate their party and this president. They have finished by hating their country.

War is a great clarifier. It forces people to take sides. The paleoconservatives have chosen — and the rest of us must choose too. In a time of danger, they have turned their backs on their country. Now we turn our backs on them.

Unfortunately, since then (March 19, 2003) the paleos seem to have gotten the upper hand.

91 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:44:02pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Sure, but how are your Precious Bodily Essences?

Fluids.

It's Precious Bodily Fluids, and Purity of Essence....

wait... YOUR A LIBERAL PLANT!

92 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:44:06pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Sure, but how are your Precious Bodily Essences?

sapped, i'm sure/

93 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:44:08pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon
They aren't alone. US Bank paid back the gummint as quickly as possible also.
How else are they going to be able to make another dip into the well?

94 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:45:04pm

re: #80 wozzablog
What is a jeebus? Some new form of green transportation?

95 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:45:19pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Sure, but how are your Precious Bodily Essences?

I don't really know what Precious Bodily Essences are unless we are talking about Emeril Lagasse.

96 whozon3rd  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:45:53pm

16) And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17) and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Revelation Chap 13.
I guess it must be a coincidence. Welcome to the brave new world or is it hope and change?

97 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:46:02pm

re: #94 tradewind

What is a jeebus? Some new form of green transportation?

hmmm...actually, that's not half bad;)

98 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:46:07pm

re: #94 tradewind

well, the heavenly escalators are solar powered............

99 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:46:35pm

re: #93 tradewind

They aren't alone. US Bank paid back the gummint as quickly as possible also.
How else are they going to be able to make another dip into the well?

Is it really a "dip in the well" if the next day you go and pour back in more water than you took out?

100 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:46:52pm

re: #96 whozon3rd

i don't get it. i mean, i know the verses, but i'm missing your point. could be a deficiency on my end...

101 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:46:57pm

re: #95 Locker

I don't really know what Precious Bodily Essences are unless we are talking about Emeril Lagasse.

102 cenotaphium  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:47:18pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

I like to tell, say, UFO enthusiasts

I've found that the best way to annoy UFO nuts is to start out with saying that you've seen countless UFOs (which is true for most of us). Revert the meaning from flying saucers and aliens to what it really means. It's a good segue to talking about how a significant portion of what we see is never really identified, but rather brushed aside as unimportant.. how misidentification works, etc. Assuming they stick around when you show your true face as a part of the IGNORANT SHEEPLE!!!

//Don't wanna talk to no scientist, ya motherfuckers lyin' and getting me pissed!

103 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:47:42pm

Um. I'm not sure it's wise to display your paranoid schizophrenia all over national television, Mssrs. Napalitano and Jones.

104 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:48:20pm

re: #93 tradewind

They aren't alone. US Bank paid back the gummint as quickly as possible also.
How else are they going to be able to make another dip into the well?

And good for them. Seeing these debts repaid is like seeing a diplomatic coup...i don't care who's president at the time, i'm happy to give credit wherever it seems due.

Results > partisanship

105 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:48:53pm

re: #96 whozon3rd

16) And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17) and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Revelation Chap 13.
I guess it must be a coincidence. Welcome to the brave new world or is it hope and change?

No... it is a unknown author using metaphors and symbolism from the Book of Daniel in the Hebrew Scriptures to weave a political/religious tract speaking out against Emperor Nero in the 1st century C.E.

What's your question.

106 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:49:16pm

re: #101 webevintage

[Video]

Watched that movie last night. It's still a classic.

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

107 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:49:33pm

re: #87 lawhawk

Good summation!

108 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:49:44pm

re: #106 Romantic Heretic

Watched that movie last night. It's still a classic.

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

The strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras....

109 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:49:59pm

re: #99 jamesfirecat
Not the usual outcome.
No company is too big to fail.
Well, maybe unless it donated almost a million bucks to POTUS's campaign....
Which, btw, he's not giving back, at least according to the latest report.

110 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:50:10pm

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

No... it is a unknown author using metaphors and symbolism from the Book of Daniel in the Hebrew Scriptures to weave a political/religious tract speaking out against Emperor Nero in the 1st century C.E.

What's your question.

I love how well you know this stuff. Definitely one of my favorite atheists, ever...

111 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:50:45pm

re: #108 jamesfirecat

The strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras...

Shoot. A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with this.

112 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:51:10pm

re: #104 Aceofwhat?
I like seeing debts repaid..... but do you really believe that GM will not be right back in the same or similar financial position fairly soon without another bailout?

113 cenotaphium  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:51:45pm

re: #96 whozon3rd

I guess it must be a coincidence.

Coinciding.. with what? RFID chips? ATM cards? The secret invisible ink tattoos every child gets by the lizard people representatives?

Also, lololololol..

114 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:52:33pm

re: #112 tradewind

I like seeing debts repaid... but do you really believe that GM will not be right back in the same or similar financial position fairly soon without another bailout?

Well if they maid enough money to repay the debt they must have found some way of making money, as long as they keep doing it they shouldn't need another bailout....

115 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:52:52pm

re: #112 tradewind

I like seeing debts repaid... but do you really believe that GM will not be right back in the same or similar financial position fairly soon without another bailout?

yes, i really believe it. i don't know if they're viable for 20 years, but the slow recovery over the next 5 years will keep them afloat as long as they make quality cars.

and don't say "bailout" when you mean "loan". they're not equivalent.

116 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:53:01pm

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

Which governments, which conspiracy theories?

Just a few examples:
In the Third Reich, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were accepted and publicized as authentic, as were any number of other antisemitic conspiracy theories. The latter would include the selfsame Rothschild-centered monetary conspiracy theories that are so popular today among Birchers and Paulians. On a larger canvas, Goebbels portrayed the whole allied war effort as the result of a plutocratic conspiracy in the democracies. He especially liked to equate Roosevelt and Churchill with Chicago gangsters, a type familiar to all Germans from Hollywood movies.

In the Soviet Union, sabotage by everyone from exiled Trotskyists to fascist agents to the Rothschilds (again) was the public rationale for extreme security measures and the Stalin trials. Updated versions of this paradigm continued to dominate internal discussion of Soviet security policy right up to the time of Perestroika.

Today, Castro, Chavez, the Iranian mullahcrats, and their numerous supporters routinely blame all opposition and failure on machinations by either the CIA or the Mossad or by both in concert.
Kim Jong Il has introduced a local variations, including a cabal of Japanese industrialists among those conspiring to destroy his regime.

117 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:53:26pm

re: #108 jamesfirecat

The strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras...

For decades, I thought the Japanese had shot down my father, and I did not feel totally cool with my Canonflex. Recently, I found out it was a Fw 190-A, and I'm glad I don't have a Leica.

118 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:53:37pm

re: #110 Aceofwhat?

I love how well you know this stuff. Definitely one of my favorite atheists, ever...

Thanks. Considering the post he/she left, and the "snide-assed" comment, I don't suspect he/she has the ability to debate the point of even make a point... it sounded more like "seminar" posting from a clip and paste "genius."

119 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:54:07pm

Democracy as an institution relies upon an educated populace to function. FOX and the Conservative media are no longer simply biased news organisations - their model has moved to the creation of stories out of whole cloth, the creation of a fantasy world for their followers to live in. This is not simply abhorrent journalism - it is an undermining of democracy itself.

And it's repulsive to see in this nation especially, essentially the birthplace of the modern democracy.

120 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:54:49pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

For decades, I thought the Japanese had shot down my father, and I did not feel totally cool with my Canonflex. Recently, I found out it was a Fw 190-A, and I'm glad I don't have a Leica.

I'm just glad we won World War 2, think about it, if we'd lost we'd all be driving German cars and using Japanese computers!

(Is it safe to tell that joke for the irony factor without demeaning the horrible horrible results of what would have happened if Hitler won?)

121 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:56:02pm

re: #114 jamesfirecat

Well if they maid [sic]enough money to repay the debt they must have found some way of making money


Think about that one for a minute. How could they have possibly done it?
Wait... I know! Everyone all of a sudden ditched their Toyotas and bought Chevys..?
No.

122 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:57:28pm

BBL

123 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:57:51pm

re: #96 whozon3rd

16) And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17) and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Revelation Chap 13.
I guess it must be a coincidence. Welcome to the brave new world or is it hope and change?

Did you really fight your way through registration to come on here and ODS bash in your very first post? You are either a re-flouncer or someone who is remarkable ignorant about the plethora of websites on the internet that would not only approve of but celebrate such statement.

124 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:58:28pm

re: #115 Aceofwhat?
You're quite right. A loan is something for which normally you must qualify, and is rarely given to a company that is leaking like a sieve.
A bailout, on the other hand, is a life-raft tossed to a sinking ship.
I'll stick with bailout.

125 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:59:11pm

re: #123 Locker

Did you really fight your way through registration to come on here and ODS bash in your very first post? You are either a re-flouncer or someone who is remarkable ignorant about the plethora of websites on the internet that would not only approve of but celebrate such statement.

His post sounds very familiar. I'm thinking maybe a sock but I haven't been able to find a similar rant via the search function.

126 Ericus58  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:00:03pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

I'm just glad we won World War 2, think about it, if we'd lost we'd all be driving German cars and using Japanese computers!

(Is it safe to tell that joke for the irony factor without demeaning the horrible horrible results of what would have happened if Hitler won?)

I think it's a testament to the Allies for not grinding their former enemies into dust... kinda like we really were the good guys.
Not sure that would have been the same result had WWII ended with the Axis as victors.

127 cliffster  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:00:04pm

Mark of the beast, and "fox news is a threat to democracy". All in one thread.

128 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:00:04pm

re: #121 tradewind

Think about that one for a minute. How could they have possibly done it?
Wait... I know! Everyone all of a sudden ditched their Toyotas and bought Chevys..?
No.

sales are up 17%, mind you.

129 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:00:09pm

re: #73 Locker

My problem with alleged large scale conspiracies is the fact that the odds on a large amount of people pulling off some big conspiracy without fucking it up are slim to none. I can't even get the right dipping sauce for my nuggets at the drive through. [my bolding]

That is part of the conspiracy...

130 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:00:30pm

re: #125 ArchangelMichael

His post sounds very familiar. I'm thinking maybe a sock but I haven't been able to find a similar rant via the search function.

Is your avatar from some of that Obey Giant stuff?

131 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:01:59pm

re: #96 whozon3rd

I don't know.

132 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:02:50pm

re: #124 tradewind

You're quite right. A loan is something for which normally you must qualify, and is rarely given to a company that is leaking like a sieve.
A bailout, on the other hand, is a life-raft tossed to a sinking ship.
I'll stick with bailout.

ok. how about its a bailout if they don't pay it back and a loan if they do?

133 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:03:41pm

re: #132 Aceofwhat?

ok. how about its a bailout if they don't pay it back and a loan if they do?

And they paid it back with interest.

Tradewind's glass is always empty.

134 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:03:48pm

re: #113 cenotaphium

Coinciding.. with what? RFID chips? ATM cards? The secret invisible ink tattoos every child gets by the lizard people representatives?

Also, lololololol..

The chip in my ass itches.

135 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:04:06pm

re: #132 Aceofwhat?

ok. how about its a bailout if they don't pay it back and a loan if they do?

I'd argue that if it has interest to be paid back on the money given then its a loan.

136 cliffster  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:04:30pm

Mark of the Beast!

137 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:04:51pm

re: #125 ArchangelMichael

I have a feeling we will be seeing more of them today.

138 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:05:39pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

I'm just glad we won World War 2, think about it, if we'd lost we'd all be driving German cars and using Japanese computers!

(Is it safe to tell that joke for the irony factor without demeaning the horrible horrible results of what would have happened if Hitler won?)

Back about 1990, a column in the weekly Parade magazine (an insert in our Sunday paper) contrasted the prosperity and stability of Japan and Germany with the alleged chaos in the United States since the war. It concluded by declaring "the lesson of history is undeniable: Defeat in war invariably benefits the losers more than the winners."
I immediately fired off a letter to the editor pointing out just how little the civilized world would have benefited from an Axis victory in World War 2. I called the statement "scandalous," "depraved,"and "moronic." The editor (who has no control over the insert's content) called me to express his agreement. He published the letter unaltered.

139 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:05:51pm

re: #133 Stanley Sea

And they paid it back with interest.

Tradewind's glass is always empty.

"Does the sun ever shine during a Democratic administration? With Obama in office now when babies laugh do you hear only the sound of kittens drowning?"

Jon Stewart

140 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:05:53pm

re: #130 Locker

Is your avatar from some of that Obey Giant stuff?

I got it from a General Zod '08 site IIRC.

141 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:05:55pm

re: #135 jamesfirecat

I'd argue that if it has interest to be paid back on the money given then its a loan.

I'd argue that it's not about the interest but about the expectation of recompensation. Basically if the expectation is that you pay it back, it's a loan. I lend my partners cash all the time and while there may not be any interest, it's understood that if I don't get my money back I'm going to be kicking someone in the beanbag.

142 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:06:12pm

re: #134 LudwigVanQuixote

The chip in my ass itches.

must be defective. it's supposed to vibrate...

143 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:06:51pm

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel

Back about 1990, a column in the weekly Parade magazine (an insert in our Sunday paper) contrasted the prosperity and stability of Japan and Germany with the alleged chaos in the United States since the war. It concluded by declaring "the lesson of history is undeniable: Defeat in war invariably benefits the losers more than the winners."
I immediately fired off a letter to the editor pointing out just how little the civilized world would have benefited from an Axis victory in World War 2. I called the statement "scandalous," "depraved,"and "moronic." The editor (who has no control over the insert's content) called me to express his agreement. He published the letter unaltered.

True enough but I think loosing to a generous civilized country can better then winning a war at times.

Isn't that what "The mouse that roared" is all about?

144 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:07:31pm

re: #141 Locker

I'd argue that it's not about the interest but about the realisticexpectation of recompensation. Basically if the expectation is that you pay it back, it's a loan. I lend my partners cash all the time and while there may not be any interest, it's understood that if I don't get my money back I'm going to be kicking someone in the beanbag.

ftfy...

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:07:41pm

OT... The movie "Kick Ass"? It does.

146 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:07:56pm

re: #140 ArchangelMichael

I got it from a General Zod '08 site IIRC.

This one from Obey Giant was somewhat similar so:

[Link: obeygiant.com...]

147 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:08:55pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was that one good? I just saw Daybreakers the other day and enjoyed it a lot.

148 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:09:10pm

re: #140 ArchangelMichael

I got it from a General Zod '08 site IIRC.

I should take this opportunity, however, to recite one of my favorite lines in cinema:

SON OF JOR_EL! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

Snagged your avatar for my personal collection. ;-)

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:09:10pm

re: #134 LudwigVanQuixote

The chip in my ass itches.

Man who go to bed with itchy chip; wake up with stinky finger.
-Confucious

150 compound idaho  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:10:42pm

re: #129 oaktree

The total lack of any evidence of a conspiracy is only further evidence that the conspiracy is being so masterfully executed.

151 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:10:52pm

re: #31 elektramourns

Reminds me of the Jim Jones crowd who drank the tea and died. They all believed in the movement.

What is there about the right wing that makes it so psychotic and paranoid?

Hello, hatchling :)

152 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:11:30pm

re: #146 Locker

Another one of my favorites:

Peace Guard - Obey Giant

153 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:14:58pm

re: #121 tradewind

Think about that one for a minute. How could they have possibly done it?
Wait... I know! Everyone all of a sudden ditched their Toyotas and bought Chevys..?
No.

The Camaro, Equinox, and Lacrosse are three decent reasons why they're doing well.

Sadly, Toyota has no answer for the Camaro 8-)

154 freetoken  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:15:13pm

From that newer creation of Murdoch's, FoxBusiness:

President Obama's War on Capitalism

Pretty standard diatribe that I expect will be the major talking points leading up to the elections in November.

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:15:48pm

re: #154 freetoken

From that newer creation of Murdoch's, FoxBusiness:

President Obama's War on Capitalism

Pretty standard diatribe that I expect will be the major talking points leading up to the elections in November.

The dumbassitude of this election will be breathtakifying

156 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:17:29pm

re: #155 WindUpBird

Hysteria and hyperbole will run amok!

157 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:17:59pm

re: #100 WindUpBird

I thought they turned it up to 11 in the 08 election. Apparently I was wrong.

158 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:18:41pm

re: #109 tradewind

Not the usual outcome.
No company is too big to fail.
Well, maybe unless it donated almost a million bucks to POTUS's campaign...
Which, btw, he's not giving back, at least according to the latest report.

I know.
And he does not support financial reform at all...wait...it is a hard narrative to maintain.

159 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:20:07pm

re: #150 compound idaho

The total lack of any evidence of a conspiracy is only further evidence that the conspiracy is being so masterfully executed.

Barring the red herring "failures" that are carried out in order to keep the authorities who are not part of the conspiracy thinking they are on top of the situation. Which also serve as a useful means for "retiring" low-level operatives who have proven unworthy of the trust that a higher level of knowledge entails.

160 Lidane  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:20:27pm

Anyone who gives Alex Jones a legitimate platform deserves nothing but contempt.

I still cannot believe that the mainstream right loves this guy. He's a raving lunatic. WTF? Seriously. I don't get it.

161 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:21:51pm

OT
Nasa's Solar Dynamics Observatory returns first images

The first public release of images from the satellite record huge explosions and great looping prominences of gas.

162 Spider Mensch  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:23:14pm

re: #161 Bubblehead II

OT
Nasa's Solar Dynamics Observatory returns first images

The first public release of images from the satellite record huge explosions and great looping prominences of gas.

they took pictures in the restroom at taco Bell??

163 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:23:34pm

re: #161 Bubblehead II

OT
Nasa's Solar Dynamics Observatory returns first images

The first public release of images from the satellite record huge explosions and great looping prominences of gas.

right on, but i like the nasa site better...

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

164 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:27:02pm

re: #163 Aceofwhat?

right on, but i like the nasa site better...

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

From the NASA site

"These initial images show a dynamic sun that I had never seen in more than 40 years of solar research,” said Richard Fisher, director of the Heliophysics Division at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "SDO will change our understanding of the sun and its processes, which affect our lives and society. This mission will have a huge impact on science, similar to the impact of the Hubble Space Telescope on modern astrophysics.”

That deserves an "awesome!"

165 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:29:02pm

BBL

166 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:29:38pm

re: #163 Aceofwhat?

True, If you want greater detail about a particular program they are the goto site. I just happened to run across that as I was web hopping around.

167 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:31:21pm

Back on the board. We have gotten a flight out on Friday instead of Saturday.

As far as the subject at hand, I am only surprised that Faux News has taken this log to embrace Alex Jones, the Shame Of South Austin.

168 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:32:32pm

re: #167 austin_blue

Back on the board. We have gotten a flight out on Friday instead of Saturday.

As far as the subject at hand, I am only surprised that Faux News has taken this log to embrace Alex Jones, the Shame Of South Austin.

glad to hear you got things straightened out-

169 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:34:34pm

re: #166 Bubblehead II

You also have the European Space Agency to keep track of what is going on across the pond.

170 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:35:08pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

For those not familiar with the New World Order : When they talk about bankers secretly running the world it's a thinly veiled reference to Jews. Anyone who thinks the Alex Jones/Glenn Beck/Fox News/Birch society/Tea Party/Republican party is really going to support Israel is kidding themselves.

A reconstituted Israel figures heavily into evangelical apocalyptic beliefs, so these believers tend to be extremely pro-Israel, just for the wrong reasons.

In fact, without the electoral victories provided by evangelicals and their demand for pro-Israel policies, US support for Israel might have waned decades ago.

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:36:11pm

re: #3 darthstar

Heh...when I first read this I thought, "What the fuck is up with Janet Napolitano?" But this is "Judge" Andrew Napolitano...on Fox.

This always happens to me. I see 'Napolitano', and I think "Janet Napolitano done WHAT?"

Same problem with John and Robert McCain.

172 cliffster  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:36:39pm

Shoplifting
"If we went into a shop and I put a stereo on and danced, you could run out with a different stereo while everyone is looking at me."

173 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:36:47pm

re: #170 KingKenrod

A reconstituted Israel figures heavily into evangelical apocalyptic beliefs, so these believers tend to be extremely pro-Israel, just for the wrong reasons.

In fact, without the electoral victories provided by evangelicals and their demand for pro-Israel policies, US support for Israel might have waned decades ago.

Nah. It's the birthplace of Solomon, David, Jesus et al. You're shaving with Occam's razor again.

174 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:36:48pm

Seems like it is time to quote President Truman:

Q: Mr. President, we've talked about hysteria in the United States, and I know it's a subject that concerns you very much.

A: "Yes, and I'll tell you why it interests me. . . .I feel that if our constitutional system ever fails, it will be because people got scared and turned hysterical and someone in power will demagogue them right into a police state of some kind. That's what I've always worried about. And still do."

Not as if anyone is actively attempting to do that currently or anything, oh no not at all...

/

175 cliffster  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:36:51pm

Girls
"You can't trust girls. When I get a girlfriend I am not going to tell her where I live or work."

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:37:05pm

re: #164 Stanley Sea

The sun is 1.8 million degrees f?

That's just showing off.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:37:10pm

re: #8 cineaste

"A GLOBAL new deal..."

It's, I don't know, as if our prosperity is somehow linked to the rest of world! *gasp*
///

Why are these people so petrified of interacting with the rest of the world?

Europeans get all huffy about McDonald's.

I dunno. They just don't like other people.

178 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:37:33pm

re: #167 austin_blue

Back on the board. We have gotten a flight out on Friday instead of Saturday.

As far as the subject at hand, I am only surprised that Faux News has taken this log to embrace Alex Jones, the Shame Of South Austin.

lo*n*g. Ouch. PIMF

179 cliffster  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:37:47pm

2001 A Space Odyssey
"This movie is so boring. I would rather be staring at the wall and holding my breath for two hours."

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:38:42pm

re: #31 elektramourns

Reminds me of the Jim Jones crowd who drank the tea and died. They all believed in the movement.

What is there about the right wing that makes it so psychotic and paranoid?

If you're out on the edge, you come to believe that the center is your enemy. I think.

181 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:38:43pm

re: #179 cliffster

2001 A Space Odyssey
"This movie is so boring. I would rather be staring at the wall and holding my breath for two hours."

bagging on Kubrick? them's fighting words...

182 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:39:29pm

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The sun is 1.8 million degrees f?

That's just showing off.

Only at its core. It's only about 11,000°F at its surface.

183 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:40:31pm

re: #181 Aceofwhat?

bagging on Kubrick? them's fighting words...

Amen.

184 cliffster  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:40:43pm

re: #181 Aceofwhat?

bagging on Kubrick? them's fighting words...

well, I'll admit readily that the book was far better

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:41:11pm

re: #182 ArchangelMichael

Ain't what the article said. Neener.

186 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:41:47pm

re: #179 cliffster

Just for you.

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:41:48pm

re: #96 whozon3rd

16) And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17) and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Revelation Chap 13.
I guess it must be a coincidence. Welcome to the brave new world or is it hope and change?

You have GOT to be kidding me.

188 cliffster  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:41:53pm

re: #181 Aceofwhat?

bagging on Kubrick? them's fighting words...

But I'll file this away under "How to piss of Aceofwhat" for if I have a little too much vino and you're on some evening.

189 cliffster  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:42:50pm

re: #186 Bubblehead II

Just for you.

now that's funny

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:43:11pm

re: #94 tradewind

What is a jeebus? Some new form of green transportation?

Jeebus is a divine personage to whom Homer Simpson occasionally prays when in serious trouble. This is because Homer, despite being taken to church by his wife every Sunday is slightly unclear on the basics of Christianity. Of course, Homer is unclear on damn near everything else, so Jeebus shouldn't surprise us too much.

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:43:26pm

re: #186 Bubblehead II

That's it. Everything is on Youtube.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:43:44pm

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

i don't get it. i mean, i know the verses, but i'm missing your point. could be a deficiency on my end...

It means they're going to microchip all our vajayjays. And presumably something on you guys too.

193 Mark Pennington  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:43:56pm

What is it about these ridiculous people that appeals so much to the American psyche? I wonder if this will backfire on Fox in the future?

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:45:07pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Vajayjays... who ever invented that term should win some kind of prize.

195 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:45:29pm

re: #188 cliffster

But I'll file this away under "How to piss of Aceofwhat" for if I have a little too much vino and you're on some evening.

tennis balls at fifty paces.../

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:45:52pm

re: #143 jamesfirecat

True enough but I think loosing to a generous civilized country can better then winning a war at times.

Isn't that what "The mouse that roared" is all about?

Grand Fenwick!

197 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:46:53pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

It means they're going to microchip all our vajayjays. And presumably something on you guys too.

you mean i got this barcode tattoo on my neck for no reason? DAMMIT!

198 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:47:21pm

re: #193 beekiller

What is it about these ridiculous people that appeals so much to the American psyche? I wonder if this will backfire on Fox in the future?

"American psyche?" Oh come on, this kind of stuff has been appealing to humans since they started to write down "theories" in their "holy books?" You think Jones and Fox figured this out last week?

199 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:47:40pm

re: #179 cliffster

2001 A Space Odyssey
"This movie is so boring. I would rather be staring at the wall and holding my breath for two hours."

DAWSON'S CREEK TRAPPER KEEPER ULTRA KEEPER FUTURA 2000/ERIC CARTMAN
What are you doing, Kyle?

KYLE
I'm going to try and break you away
from the computer, Cartman. I need to
remove the CPU.

DAWSON'S CREEK TRAPPER KEEPER ULTRA KEEPER FUTURA 2000/ERIC CARTMAN
I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Kyle.

KYLE
Screw you, fatass!


DAWSON'S CREEK TRAPPER KEEPER ULTRA KEEPER FUTURA 2000/ERIC CARTMAN
Hey-eh, screw you.

200 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:49:17pm

re: #193 beekiller

What is it about these ridiculous people that appeals so much to the American psyche? I wonder if this will backfire on Fox in the future?

In the future? The fact that Faux is giving these people air time indicates they have already jumped the teabagger shark. Alex Jones is as crazy as a run-over turkey. Anti-semitic, anti-intellectual, anti-reality- he's a bug.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:49:19pm

re: #181 Aceofwhat?

bagging on Kubrick? them's fighting words...

I fell asleep during Apocalypse Now.

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:49:56pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

Speaking of watching paint dry...

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:50:17pm

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Vajayjays... who ever invented that term should win some kind of prize.

Best Genital Euphemism of the year?

204 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:50:38pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Grand Fenwick!

Capturing Dr. Kokintz led to the surrender of the US. Fancy that...

205 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:50:54pm

re: #193 beekiller

What is it about these ridiculous people that appeals so much to the American psyche? I wonder if this will backfire on Fox in the future?

We can live in hope of that I suppose, but I just don't see it happening.

In time they will become irrelavant as their message becomes dated, like all political advocacy groups do. But the best we can hope for is for them to quietly fade away IMHO.

Of course, then again when Rupert Murdoch finally kicks the bucket maybe someone sane will take over, you never know. /

206 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:51:00pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

I fell asleep during Apocalypse Now.

eh, that one wasn't my favorite.

But The Shining was visual nectar.

207 badger1970  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:51:08pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

That was Coppola. Though that movie along with Full Metal Jacket, I watch the first half only.

208 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:51:56pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

You have GOT to be kidding me.

LOL
I want my number 666 on my belly..That way when the ladies at Wal-Mart check me out I get to show off my gut...
The forehead scan for the Anti-Christ is so boring...BTW.If everybodies number is 666 who the hell's account does the money come out of? If I'm just a number..I want my own damn number....
/

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:52:06pm

re: #205 ausador

When it stops selling, it will change.

Don't be silly.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:52:34pm

re: #202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of watching paint dry...

I started to lose my patience after what felt like basically forever. The French colonial family irritated me, and the Playboy models or whatever they were made me laugh hysterically, and then I just passed out, and I woke up with the impression that I'd had a very long, weird dream about traveling through a jungle on boat. I'm not sure if I actually dreamed about it, or if the movie just sort of got tangled up with going to sleep.

211 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:52:40pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

I am not a number I AM A FREE MAN!

212 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:53:34pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

I started to lose my patience after what felt like basically forever. The French colonial family irritated me, and the Playboy models or whatever they were made me laugh hysterically, and then I just passed out, and I woke up with the impression that I'd had a very long, weird dream about traveling through a jungle on boat. I'm not sure if I actually dreamed about it, or if the movie just sort of got tangled up with going to sleep.

then you should stick with Kubrick!

213 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:53:50pm

senoJ xelA will see his new found friends on the reactionary right and Fox abandon him the very second a republican is in the oval office again.

Of course, this should come as no surprise to him. The exodus will just be a repeat of what happened when Bush took over the office from Clinton.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:53:57pm

re: #207 badger1970

That was Coppola. Though that movie along with Full Metal Jacket, I watch the first half only.

I had a great time up through the episode where the guy is following them demanding his surfboard back. After that, it went all boring and convoluted.

215 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:54:22pm

re: #211 Dreggas

that was meant as a reply to 207 numbers were buggin.

216 compound idaho  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:54:32pm

re: #208 HoosierHoops

LOL
I want my number 666 on my belly..That way when the ladies at Wal-Mart check me out I get to show off my gut...
The forehead scan for the Anti-Christ is so boring...BTW.If everybodies number is 666 who the hell's account does the money come out of? If I'm just a number..I want my own damn number...
/

Years ago when I got married, my aunt added my wife to the family geneology database. ID #666. Wife still swears it was no accident.

217 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:54:41pm

re: #211 Dreggas

I am not a number I AM A FREMAN!

/FTFY Muad Dib...

218 freetoken  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:55:10pm

More evidence that the GOP is now just an advertising agency for Rupert Murdoch:

Palin Says Her ‘Exclusivity’ With Fox Precludes Her From Giving Interviews

Requests to interview Palin for this article, specifically about her experiences in the 2008 campaign, were turned down. Her former communications aide Meghan Stapleton explained that “with her Fox exclusivity, we are denying requests for articles and stories right now.”

219 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:56:03pm

re: #218 freetoken

Of course. Fox is, was, and always will be her shield to hide behind. She is a product of Fox News.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:56:19pm

re: #216 compound idaho

Years ago when I got married, my aunt added my wife to the family geneology database. ID #666. Wife still swears it was no accident.

A woman I know is INS agent #666. It was initially assigned to a guy who didn't want it for religious reasons, so she volunteered to take it.

Her husband refers to her fondly as 'the immigration agent from hell'.

221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:57:26pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a Route 666 near my house.

222 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:57:44pm

Early day tomorrow, dear Lizards. Sweet deams. I'll be out of pocket until Saturday. Being an Internally Displaced American in the UK has been interesting. We should talk!

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:58:13pm

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's a Route 666 near my house.

And, I forgot... I was in Hell, MI, on June 6, 2006.

224 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:59:19pm

Iron Maiden is playing in my head...

225 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:59:28pm

re: #217 ausador

/FTFY Muad Dib...

I first read your correct as FREEMAN as in Dr. Gordon Freeman.

226 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 1:59:54pm

Cynical as I am, I'm just waiting for another label to be attached to "bankers." This whole NWO crappola plays right into the hands of far-right religious conservatives. I think the show will be complete when they find a way to weave in the supernatural element.

227 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:00:28pm

re: #225 Locker

I have a wireless keyboard at the office and if I don't pay attention I screw up things with the interrupt in the signal and typosis results.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:01:18pm

BTW, I just watched "Don't Be A Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood".

Good Lord, that took me back to the heyday of the late 80s coming-of-age-in-the-ghetto movies. And made me laugh hysterically at moments.

229 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:02:58pm

re: #216 compound idaho

Years ago when I got married, my aunt added my wife to the family geneology database. ID #666. Wife still swears it was no accident.

You know what is so embarrassing? I have never posted this before..And trust me it is horrible to go through life with...Except for the forst 2 numbers of my SS# is all 6's.. I got f*cked...I'm not sure how many times in my life I've had to give my number to somebody..DMV, Library lady..Credit card companies..Everywhere...in my life...Yes that's 666 666 at the end...There is no easy way to say that to anyone with out a pause..A stare..a Gasp on the phone..Yes my last 6 numbers of my SS# is 666666..
Fuck you Devil..

230 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:04:08pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, I just watched "Don't Be A Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood".

Good Lord, that took me back to the heyday of the late 80s coming-of-age-in-the-ghetto movies. And made me laugh hysterically at moments.

Hey there. Lovely day of cold wetness, eh?

231 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:05:10pm

Jon Stewart vs Bernie Goldberg

plus, John O'Hara --> who the hell is this guy? "The Tea Party is not anti-government, they believe the government should do lots of things!"... Hey buddy, where have you been?! It's not 2007 anymore on good ol' planet Earth.

232 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:05:51pm

re: #226 eclectic infidel

Well bankers are all part of it just see the "Bildebergers".

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:06:08pm

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, I forgot... I was in Hell, MI, on June 6, 2006.

[Link: www.mtv.com...]

234 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:06:12pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, I just watched "Don't Be A Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood".

Good Lord, that took me back to the heyday of the late 80s coming-of-age-in-the-ghetto movies. And made me laugh hysterically at moments.

hilarious movie.

"I'm just trying to do to white girls what the white man's been doing to us for 200 years"

"What's that?"

"Fuck 'em"

235 freetoken  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:06:55pm

Bill would shun Obama birth certificate requests

Hawaii lawmakers are moving closer to passing a measure allowing the state to ignore repeated requests for President Barack Obama's birth certificate.

A conference committee unanimously voted Tuesday to advance the bill to final votes in the House and Senate.

The proposal allows state government agencies not to respond to follow-up requests for information if they determine that the subsequent request is duplicative or substantially similar to a previous request.

The bill is aimed at so-called "birthers," who claim Obama is ineligible to be president. They say he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president.

Hawaii definitely is not Arizona, for sure.

236 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:07:22pm

Since we are talking animation and comedy...

I strongly recommend Drawn Together for anyone who likes Southpark or Family Guy or Robot Chicken.

237 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:07:25pm

re: #231 Vambo

You linked back to this thread.

238 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:08:10pm

re: #236 LudwigVanQuixote

Since we are talking animation and comedy...

I strongly recommend Drawn Together for anyone who likes Southpark or Family Guy or Robot Chicken.

agree completely

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:08:18pm

re: #230 eclectic infidel

Hey there. Lovely day of cold wetness, eh?

Yep. I had to go out to the Excelsior.

240 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:08:18pm

re: #237 Bubblehead II

You linked back to this thread.

lol whut

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

241 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:09:21pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

A woman I know is INS agent #666. It was initially assigned to a guy who didn't want it for religious reasons, so she volunteered to take it.

Her husband refers to her fondly as 'the immigration agent from hell'.

I once saw a submariner with a shirt that said SSN 667, The Neighbor of the Beast.

242 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:10:04pm

I like Drawn Together... but I really like some of the absolutely off-the-wall shit they have on Adult Swim: Drinky Crow, Squidbillies, Superjail, Metalocolypse

243 garhighway  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:10:05pm

In the "and sometimes pigs really do fly" department, Michael Steele had a moment of clarity and candor that he will no doubt soon regret:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

244 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:10:40pm

re: #242 Vambo

I like Drawn Together... but I really like some of the absolutely off-the-wall shit they have on Adult Swim: Drinky Crow, Squidbillies, Superjail, Metalocolypse

Brutal.

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:11:12pm

re: #234 Aceofwhat?

hilarious movie.

"I'm just trying to do to white girls what the white man's been doing to us for 200 years"

"What's that?"

"Fuck 'em"

I actually think the best line is "Dashiki got more kids than Mrs. Wayans."

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:11:30pm

One guy owns the bottom 10? And he flounced. Please downding this comment to break up that streak.:) Afternoon Honcos!!

247 freetoken  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:12:38pm

re: #243 garhighway

That should doom him among the faithful... but the faithful already hate him and he is still there, so now what are they going to do?

248 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:12:53pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

I fell asleep during Apocalypse Now.

Blasphemy!

OK, I can understand how that may not be everyone's cup of tea, but the analogy of Vietnam to Heart of Darkness was pretty perfect as far as I am concerned.

249 elektramourns  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:14:12pm

look at Chambers of Commerce....they will do all they can to crush Dems and support employers rights and privileges so Fix News is not really doing anything business people have not already thought of

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:14:30pm

re: #248 LudwigVanQuixote

Blasphemy!

OK, I can understand how that may not be everyone's cup of tea, but the analogy of Vietnam to Heart of Darkness was pretty perfect as far as I am concerned.

Could they have made an analogy of Vietnam to Heart of Darkness that was shorter, and included fewer weird encounters with unrealistic symbolically significant people?

251 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:14:33pm

re: #243 garhighway

In the "and sometimes pigs really do fly" department, Michael Steele had a moment of clarity and candor that he will no doubt soon regret:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

That certainly is going to make a few waves, but I'm very glad that he said it, someone of authority needed to. I guess it is just another indication of how bad things have really gotten when we are shocked when a politician tells the truth. :(

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:14:43pm

re: #225 Locker

I first read your correct as FREEMAN as in Dr. Gordon Freeman.

I was thinking Frohman.

253 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:15:55pm

re: #243 garhighway

In the "and sometimes pigs really do fly" department, Michael Steele had a moment of clarity and candor that he will no doubt soon regret:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I agree with comment that said "brilliant idiot".

I don't understand the Clinton comment. So blacks were pretty much split down the middle with Reagan and Bush Sr.?

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:16:05pm

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

One guy owns the bottom 10? And he flounced. Please downding this comment to break up that streak.:) Afternoon Honcos!!

nah... there is a serious a-hole right dead center.

255 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:16:11pm
256 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:16:12pm

re: #249 elektramourns

look at Chambers of Commerce...they will do all they can to crush Dems and support employers rights and privileges so Fix News is not really doing anything business people have not already thought of

kind of a blanket statement, oh leather-clad friend? surely the imperialist employers can have a right or two...

257 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:16:37pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

Could they have made an analogy of Vietnam to Heart of Darkness that was shorter, and included fewer weird encounters with unrealistic symbolically significant people?

Lol,

Well I suppose that depends on how much you thought the weird encounters with unrealistic symbolically significant people in Heart of Darkness. were essential to making that book what it was.

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:17:00pm

Good news for Hoops. Geico guy is fired.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:17:30pm

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

What an asshole.

260 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:17:58pm

No TV...
No Problem.

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:18:01pm

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

nah... there is a serious a-hole right dead center.

OT- For the record, I think I made the right call.

262 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:18:16pm

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

Save your Karma. This clown broke up his losing streak and hasn't flounced. Yet

flexthink
Registered since: Aug 13, 2006 at 2:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 16
No. of links posted: 17

Here is his post.

263 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:19:36pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

They got 50 billion in bailout monies leveraged on the stock. It is still Government Motors, that's who own the stock. The loan is small stuff.

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:19:44pm

re: #261 Cannadian Club Akbar

OT- For the record, I think I made the right call.

You called Geico? One phone call can save you a lot of money.

(You're welcome, Hoops)

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:19:49pm

re: #262 Bubblehead II

Save your Karma. This clown broke up his losing streak and hasn't flounced. Yet

flexthink
Registered since: Aug 13, 2006 at 2:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 16
No. of links posted: 17

Here is his post.

I thought he called Charles "Chuck" (twice or so) and got run? No?

266 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:19:53pm

re: #241 LudwigVanQuixote

I once saw a submariner with a shirt that said SSN 667, The Neighbor of the Beast.

The SSN667 got shit canned up in Bremerton in 1997 or so..It always broke my heart to Decom Subs...I helped rip out reactors for many of the 594 class boats..Very sad to decom America's Silent Service Boats...

267 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:20:12pm

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought he called Charles "Chuck" (twice or so) and got run? No?

that was a different one, i think

268 Lidane  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:20:49pm

re: #242 Vambo

I like Drawn Together... but I really like some of the absolutely off-the-wall shit they have on Adult Swim: Drinky Crow, Squidbillies, Superjail, Metalocolypse

Never could get into Drinky Crow. Moral Orel, on the other hand, was amazing. I really wish they'd been allowed to finish the series on their terms.

269 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:20:54pm

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good news for Hoops. Geico guy is fired.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Sounds like a crank call I would make, if I made crank calls. But I'm not a spokesperson or a celebrity, and if I was I would probably just keep my opinions to myself.

270 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:21:00pm

hahahahaha
Twitter account for Mitch McConnell's jowls:
[Link: twitter.com...]

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:21:08pm

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You called Geico? One phone call can save you a lot of money.

(You're welcome, Hoops)

There is a geico commercial on my radio right now. Bet it won't be there tomorrow. Heh.

272 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:21:35pm

re: #255 Dreggas

McAfee anti-virus update kills computers

Who in their right mind would voluntarily use McAfee anyway? They deserve to suffer...

bwahahaha!

273 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:21:56pm

re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a geico commercial on my radio right now. Bet it won't be there tomorrow. Heh.

I don't know is this needs clarification, but the voice actor they are talking about is NOT the one with the British accent that voices the lizard.

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:22:21pm

re: #269 Vambo

Sounds like a crank call I would make, if I made crank calls. But I'm not a spokesperson or a celebrity, and if I was I would probably just keep my opinions to myself.

CCA calling bowling alley: Do you have 16 pound balls?
/

275 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:22:46pm

re: #272 ausador

Who in their right mind would voluntarily use McAfee anyway? They deserve to suffer...

bwahahaha!

I have been using McAfee since almost the day it debuted and I have NEVER had a single problem with it, nor have I ever had a virus.

276 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:22:50pm

bbl

277 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:22:54pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep. I had to go out to the Excelsior.

One of my least favorite neighborhoods in the City. I've driven through there before on rainy days. Blech.

278 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:22:54pm

re: #268 Lidane

Never could get into Drinky Crow. Moral Orel, on the other hand, was amazing. I really wish they'd been allowed to finish the series on their terms.

Moral Orel was some depressing shit. Sometimes it was brilliant though, I only liked a few episodes.

Drinky Crow is like Ren & Stimpy meets Hunter S Thompson.

279 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:23:03pm

re: #272 ausador

Who in their right mind would voluntarily use McAfee anyway? They deserve to suffer...

bwahahaha!

McAfee is the best salesman Macs ever had.

280 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:23:06pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

The SSN667 got shit canned up in Bremerton in 1997 or so..It always broke my heart to Decom Subs...I helped rip out reactors for many of the 594 class boats..Very sad to decom America's Silent Service Boats...

Sometime we can swap boat stories.

281 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:26:19pm

re: #273 Walter L. Newton

I don't know is this needs clarification, but the voice actor they are talking about is NOT the one with the British accent that voices the lizard.

We know Bro...I'm thinking Geico wants to insure Tea party folks..
Any person that brings politics to his job needs to be fired.. It's that simple..I really don't care what you think about politics at work...

282 Lidane  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:27:13pm

re: #278 Vambo

Moral Orel was some depressing shit. Sometimes it was brilliant though, I only liked a few episodes.

It definitely wasn't for everyone. I loved it, because even though it was depressing as all hell, Orel himself was such a great character, and really developed a lot over the series.

Drinky Crow is like Ren & Stimpy meets Hunter S Thompson.

I watched the pilot and didn't get it at all. I might have to give it another go.

283 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:29:38pm

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought he called Charles "Chuck" (twice or so) and got run? No?

Don't know about the "Chuck" thing. But he dropped that turd today and hasn't posted since. He is not blocked according to his profile. He is now at a -27 for that comment.

284 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:31:53pm

re: #232 Dreggas

Well bankers are all part of it just see the "Bildebergers".

Religious fundamentalism goes very well with conspiracy kookiness, I must say.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:32:01pm

The A/C is on and the ice cream man is outside. It is officially summer in Florida. And I don't care what calendars say.

286 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:32:47pm

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OK..

First off, I absolutely understand how the use of the phrase "mentally retarded" is used in offensive and pejorative ways to those with disabilities. It has been used by nasty people to victimize other people.

Bad use of words on that fellow's part.

However, he is absolutely correct that at some point soon some tea party asshole is going to take the McVeigh stuff literally and kill someone.

That is a much bigger issue. He makes a good point

The other issue is that of the total pussy nature of the right wing. They sit and throw slur after slur, lie after lie, outright nasty slander after outright nasty slander and then if someone calls them something they whine like Cartman. As if the folks at Fox or the teaparties wouldn't say much worse about any group they decided to unfairly abuse - like say blacks or gays.

And frankly while mentally retarded is definitely insensitive, the teabaggers certainly are less than bright. They also have definite mental deficiencies. So in his way, Geico guy was not so far off in his language.

So I would have said the same thing, as him, only I would have switched it out to:

How many utter morons and gullible rubes are in your employ? How many are paranoid delusional and how many are simply sociopaths?

287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:33:22pm

re: #283 Bubblehead II

I may have been thinking of someone else. My bad.

288 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:36:11pm

re: #229 HoosierHoops

You know what is so embarrassing? I have never posted this before..And trust me it is horrible to go through life with...Except for the forst 2 numbers of my SS# is all 6's.. I got f*cked...I'm not sure how many times in my life I've had to give my number to somebody..DMV, Library lady..Credit card companies..Everywhere...in my life...Yes that's 666 666 at the end...There is no easy way to say that to anyone with out a pause..A stare..a Gasp on the phone..Yes my last 6 numbers of my SS# is 666666..
Fuck you Devil..

Man I would love that so much it's not even funny. Fantastic number.

289 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:38:20pm

re: #241 LudwigVanQuixote

I once saw a submariner with a shirt that said SSN 667, The Neighbor of the Beast.

I saw some episode of the Twilight Zone or something where this guy was trying to get 666 to come up as the daily lotto number. He had all kinds of stuff all over his apartment, symbols and pentagrams, etc etc.

Turns out the guy in the apartment below him was doing the same thing but for 667 and apparently his juju was a bit stronger.

290 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:38:20pm

re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote

Sometime we can swap boat stories.

Anytime my friend..20 years at Mare Island as a Nuke...I am so proud to work for the DOD on Submarines. I am proud of our Quality..(Nukes are us bitches) Our men and leaders in the Silent Service.. ( Finally women will be allowed on subs) The Leadership is world class..It has been my honor..
/The most impressive Captain I have ever met was one morning DryDocking the SSN 646 Greyling..The old man poured me a cup of coffee and engaged us in Conversation.. Dude looked like John Wayne..And he was just a leader through and through..He stunned me and my buds that morning...What a Captain! I would follow him to the gates of Hell.. I promise you Ludwig..When the SSN646 drove out of DD#4.. It was the most bad ass upgraded Sub in the Navy.. The old man made sure our code 1390 got 20 lbs of free Coffee every week..I need to Wikki him..I forgot his name

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:38:47pm

I just had the "dinner maker" moniker thrust upon me.

292 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:38:57pm

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

Ditto here, a ten year old network of 4 to 6 computers.

293 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:39:30pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

I actually think the best line is "Dashiki got more kids than Mrs. Wayans."

This makes me think of I'm Gonna Get You Sucka and June Bug dying to his gold chain addiction. It was gold chains man! First it was just one or two...

294 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:40:00pm

re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just had the "dinner maker" moniker thrust upon me.

call out for pizza. every one is happy.

295 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:40:10pm

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

I have been using McAfee since almost the day it debuted and I have NEVER had a single problem with it, nor have I ever had a virus.

You ever tried uninstalling McAfee to install something else? They make it practically impossible to clean out completely and also don't (or didn't last I tried) have a working uninstall tool even on their support site.

I guess they figure the non-technical people will just give up and keep on useing McAfee.

296 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:41:06pm

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth

I was thinking Frohman.

Comic is blocked. It's not Abe Frohman, the sausage king of Chicago is it? (The guy Ferris Bueller impersonated to get a lunch reservation)

297 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:41:33pm

re: #295 ausador

You ever tried uninstalling McAfee to install something else? They make it practically impossible to clean out completely and also don't (or didn't last I tried) have a working uninstall tool even on their support site.

I guess they figure the non-technical people will just give up and keep on useing McAfee.

just don't pay & they will uninstall it for you :)

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:41:54pm

re: #294 brookly red

call out for pizza. every one is happy.

I'm thinking "mashed potatoes and hamburger gravy."

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:42:01pm

re: #293 Locker

Over Gold. He OGed.

300 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:42:31pm

Besides McConells' Jowls the other thing that has been making me laugh is Sue Lowden and her whole "bring chickens to pay for your health care" thing.

Sue Lowden, a Republican challenging for Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) Senate seat, boosted herself to the top of late-night monologues Monday by suggesting that instead of purchasing health insurance, patients should control their health care costs by offering to pay their doctors' bills in chickens.

I know it is Huffpo, but this article figuring out how many chickens you would need to barter for various procedures is funny.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

(not that I have anything against bartering, I do it for a few things, but still live chickens for health care is pretty silly unless your Doctor really has a thing for chickens and only works for themselves)

301 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:42:42pm

re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm thinking "mashed potatoes and hamburger gravy."

chop up some hot dogs & call it bangers & mash...

302 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:43:29pm

GOP Senate Candidate suggests Bartering Chickens to solve Health Care

Well, at least they can't be accused of not having any ideas.

I understand that a Democrat attack site is now being set up, 'Chickens for Checkups'.

303 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:43:42pm

re: #300 webevintage

Besides McConells' Jowls the other thing that has been making me laugh is Sue Lowden and her whole "bring chickens to pay for your health care" thing.

Sue Lowden, a Republican challenging for Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) Senate seat, boosted herself to the top of late-night monologues Monday by suggesting that instead of purchasing health insurance, patients should control their health care costs by offering to pay their doctors' bills in chickens.

I know it is Huffpo, but this article figuring out how many chickens you would need to barter for various procedures is funny.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

(not that I have anything against bartering, I do it for a few things, but still live chickens for health care is pretty silly unless your Doctor really has a thing for chickens and only works for themselves)

Chickens and pies. Like Little House on the Prairie!!!

304 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:43:58pm

re: #300 webevintage

Snap.

305 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:44:18pm

re: #302 Renaissance_Man

GOP Senate Candidate suggests Bartering Chickens to solve Health Care

Well, at least they can't be accused of not having any ideas.

I understand that a Democrat attack site is now being set up, 'Chickens for Checkups'.

you have salmonella... how ironic.

306 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:44:31pm

re: #304 Renaissance_Man

Snap.

great minds and all that....

307 right_wing2  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:44:48pm

Ron Paul, when it comes to foreign policy, fails to realize that if we just sit back and let our allies fall to any enemy, it'll make it that much tougher to fight that same enemy when he comes after us.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

First they came for the communists, but I didn't speak up... then they came for me...

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:44:48pm

Coincidentally, I watched Waking Life last night, which features a bit where a digitally animated Alex Jones is in a car rigged with loudspeakers ranting gibberish as his face becomes increasingly red.

309 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:45:00pm

re: #296 Locker

No, it's a web comic entitled "Concerned", detailing the exploits of Gordon Frohman, a former Black Mesa employee, who arrives at City 17 a week or so ahead of Gordon Freeman.

If you haven't read it, you should. Many of the pages are laugh out loud funny.

310 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:47:17pm

re: #272 ausador

Who in their right mind would voluntarily use McAfee anyway? They deserve to suffer...

bwahahaha!

I'm gonna have to agree with you there. McAfee and Symantec are not the greatest virus scanners out there, that's for sure. My success with either of those products pale in comparison to AVG or AVAST.

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:47:51pm

re: #300 webevintage

The IRS doesn't much care bartering.

312 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:48:29pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, I just watched "Don't Be A Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood".

Good Lord, that took me back to the heyday of the late 80s coming-of-age-in-the-ghetto movies. And made me laugh hysterically at moments.

Granma in that is seriously the funniest thing on earth.

313 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:48:54pm

re: #310 Locker

I'm gonna have to agree with you there. McAfee and Symantec are not the greatest virus scanners out there, that's for sure. My success with either of those products pale in comparison to AVG or AVAST.

FYI, in these parts AVG is known as a digital condom...

314 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:49:15pm

re: #307 right_wing2

Ron Paul, when it comes to foreign policy, fails to realize that if we just sit back and let our allies fall to any enemy, it'll make it that much tougher to fight that same enemy when he comes after us.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

First they came for the communists, but I didn't speak up... then they came for me...

I think when they come for us, Luap Nor wants to engage in the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

315 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:49:16pm

re: #310 Locker

I'm gonna have to agree with you there. McAfee and Symantec are not the greatest virus scanners out there, that's for sure. My success with either of those products pale in comparison to AVG or AVAST.

I've been having better luck with Microsoft Security Essentials (paired with Malwarebytes) than AVG these days.

316 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:49:45pm

re: #302 Renaissance_Man

GOP Senate Candidate suggests Bartering Chickens to solve Health Care

Well, at least they can't be accused of not having any ideas.

I understand that a Democrat attack site is now being set up, 'Chickens for Checkups'.

I'd say that proposal laid an egg.

317 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:49:49pm

Hot Italian sausage with saffron rice. I am done planning.

318 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:49:55pm

re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm thinking "mashed potatoes and hamburger gravy."

I really like hamburgers with mushroom soup as the gravy along with some egg noodles. A favorite from my youth... thanks mom!

319 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:50:50pm

re: #297 brookly red

just don't pay & they will uninstall it for you :)

I wish that was true, they just stop updating it, you still have to remove it to install something else. For a while their all the Dell computers came with 90 free days of McAfee, it was already installed and before you could change to something else you had to remove McAfee.

I think I had the joy of manually uninstalling all the leftover bits and registry entries that their "uninstall" left behind about 100 times. It was frustrating to have to spend half an hour doing that with every new computer fresh out of the box.

320 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:50:51pm

re: #315 WindUpBird

I've been having better luck with Microsoft Security Essentials (paired with Malwarebytes) than AVG these days.

if you call in a problem to McAfee the first thing they do is scan with Malwarebytes... Hmmmm.

321 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:51:02pm

re: #308 WindUpBird

Coincidentally, I watched Waking Life last night, which features a bit where a digitally animated Alex Jones is in a car rigged with loudspeakers ranting gibberish as his face becomes increasingly red.

I had no idea that was Alex Jones. I love that movie but that's the craziest part.

322 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:51:09pm

re: #284 eclectic infidel

Conspiracy kookiness and magical thinking are peas in a pod.

James Randi's fiery takedown of psychic fraud

323 Virginia Plain  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:51:47pm

re: #308 WindUpBird

Coincidentally, I watched Waking Life last night, which features a bit where a digitally animated Alex Jones is in a car rigged with loudspeakers ranting gibberish as his face becomes increasingly red.

324 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:51:52pm

re: #309 Slumbering Behemoth

No, it's a web comic entitled "Concerned", detailing the exploits of Gordon Frohman, a former Black Mesa employee, who arrives at City 17 a week or so ahead of Gordon Freeman.

If you haven't read it, you should. Many of the pages are laugh out loud funny.

Oh I'm all over it. Especially considering how much of a Valve/HL fan I am. Probably have to get my stuff off on Team Fortress II first but I'll check it out for sure. ;-)

325 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:51:56pm

TODAY"S PSA for Tech folks Using Microsoft and McAfee - We've had two vendor sites go totally south from this today:

Broken McAfee DAT update cripples Windows workstations
By Peter Bright %P% Last updated about 3 hours ago

McAfee pushed out a virus definition update, 5958, at 06:00 PDT that causes false positive identification of the critical Windows system file svchost.exe. Machines running Windows XP Service Pack 3 using the 5958 definitions will delete the file, causing many key Windows services to fail to start. The Windows file is being mistakenly detected as W32/wecorl.a. Failure to start svchost.exe causes Windows to automatically reboot, hindering repair efforts.

At the time of writing, McAfee's support forum appears to have either gone offline or collapsed under the load, making threads about the issue inaccessbile. Before going offline, the company advised the following measures:

1. Boot the system into safe mode
2. Drop the attached extra.dat in c:/program files/common files/mcafee/engine
3. Reboot into normal mode

Rebooting into Windows normal mode type “shutdown /a” in the run line this aborts the automatic shutdown.

This will allow them to apply the exclusion.

The shutdown command must be run as an Administrator; regular users aren't able to abort shutdowns in progress.

326 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:52:01pm

Foodies, I made pizza last night.
It was good, but I did not really like the taste of the crust.
Anyone got a link to a good recipe and maybe help on getting the dough to look like a pizza and not an amoeba?

327 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:52:58pm

re: #319 ausador

I wish that was true, they just stop updating it, you still have to remove it to install something else. For a while their all the Dell computers came with 90 free days of McAfee, it was already installed and before you could change to something else you had to remove McAfee.

I think I had the joy of manually uninstalling all the leftover bits and registry entries that their "uninstall" left behind about 100 times. It was frustrating to have to spend half an hour doing that with every new computer fresh out of the box.

I know... and if any one from Dell is reading this my next rig is a Mac.

328 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:53:01pm

re: #295 ausador

You ever tried uninstalling McAfee to install something else? They make it practically impossible to clean out completely and also don't (or didn't last I tried) have a working uninstall tool even on their support site.

I guess they figure the non-technical people will just give up and keep on useing McAfee.

The Enterprise Edition kicks ass
I read a book about 10 years ago from some kid that worked through College writing Sig file for the McAfee start up..Made 200 dollars for each file.. I need to find that book in the den...It was great.. He wrote about how viruses evolved and his favorite virus writers...
I used to collect viruses back in the Windows 3.1 days..Kept each one on a floppy in a shoe box...I could talk about viruses all night..Armoring executable files..Calling into unprotected ports...Fascinating

329 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:53:27pm

re: #326 webevintage

Check your local grocery store. In the bakery.

330 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:53:41pm

re: #317 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hot Italian sausage with saffron rice. I am done planning.

I make hot italian sausage with sweet basil sauce spaghetti every Sunday. The spicy of the sausage along with the sweet of the basil is perfect.

331 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:54:39pm

re: #326 webevintage

Foodies, I made pizza last night.
It was good, but I did not really like the taste of the crust.
Anyone got a link to a good recipe and maybe help on getting the dough to look like a pizza and not an amoeba?

heyyyy, u makea da crust thinner and bake it first for a bit before add the cheese & sauce...

332 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:55:33pm

re: #331 brookly red

heyyy, u makea da crust thinner and bake it first for a bit before add the cheese & sauce...

Cheese on bottom, sauce on top thingy?

333 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:55:39pm

re: #331 brookly red

heyyy, u makea da crust thinner and bake it first for a bit before add the cheese & sauce...

I did that, but it was still too "bread" like....

334 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:55:53pm

The best AV program for windows is the Mac OS X installer ... ;)

William

335 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:56:05pm

re: #326 webevintage

Foodies, I made pizza last night.
It was good, but I did not really like the taste of the crust.
Anyone got a link to a good recipe and maybe help on getting the dough to look like a pizza and not an amoeba?

Flat Is Beautiful - Good Eats - Food Network

Great episode and he recommends letting the dough sit over night and using a "pizza stone". Of course with Alton he just gets 2 stones from the building supply store for like 5 bucks instead of a 100 dollar pizza stone. Love him for that.

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:56:51pm

re: #326 webevintage

I've used this recipe for the crust, sometimes embellishing it with different herbs. I like it.

As far as getting it to not look like an amoeba, you have to spin it. Practice with a damp dish towel to get the hang of it if you already don't know how.

337 right_wing2  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:57:06pm

re: #326 webevintage


Try [Link: www.allrecipes.com....]

338 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:57:25pm

White Cheddar (mild) is best on pizza. Better than mozzarella.

339 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:57:41pm

re: #333 webevintage

I did that, but it was still too "bread" like...

Cooking it on a stone makes the crust crispy due to the porous nature of the stone it wicks away the excess moisture, which is the cause of bready pizza crust.

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:57:48pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, and a pizza stone. You need a pizza stone if you're gonna make the dough from scratch.

341 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:57:59pm

re: #338 Cannadian Club Akbar

White Cheddar (mild) is best on pizza. Better than mozzarella.

HERETIC!

342 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:58:15pm

re: #322 Slumbering Behemoth

Conspiracy kookiness and magical thinking are peas in a pod.

James Randi's fiery takedown of psychic fraud

In doing that, Randi is in excellent company. Harry Houdini, Neville Mascalyne, Penn and Teller, and Cris Angel are all examples of entertainers who have devoted time to hammering fraudsters.

343 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:58:24pm

re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #333 webevintage

try rolling it out real thin and brushing it with olive oil (and garlic) first, and then baking it till stiff (what it you perves) then sauce & top...

344 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:58:34pm

re: #326 webevintage

Foodies, I made pizza last night.
It was good, but I did not really like the taste of the crust.
Anyone got a link to a good recipe and maybe help on getting the dough to look like a pizza and not an amoeba?

They do have pre-made, ready to cook crusts if you're adamant about the circular shape. I don't make pizza but personally, I would have too much fun throwing the dough around like those Italian pizza guys to really care about what it looked like.

345 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:58:35pm

re: #334 wlewisiii

The best AV program for windows is the Mac OS X installer ... ;)

William

True but then you are stuck with a Fischer-Price machine that's only usable for I-tunes and holding down papers. ;-)

346 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:59:06pm

Oops, look at the time.
Gotta go start go get the cheese biscuits mixed up for supper tonight.
I'll check back later for the pizza crust recommendations.

And thanks....

347 right_wing2  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 2:59:24pm

re: #338 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cheddar, Mozz, Gouda, Gorgonzolla

348 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:00:03pm

re: #338 Cannadian Club Akbar

White Cheddar (mild) is best on pizza. Better than mozzarella.

I can see how you would say that. I've never tried that, though. I am, however, a huge fan of sharp white cheddars. Especially Black Diamond, which is made in Canada as it happens.

349 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:00:06pm

re: #338 Cannadian Club Akbar

White Cheddar (mild) is best on pizza. Better than mozzarella.

/eternal damnation is not an idle threat...

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:00:07pm

re: #341 Locker

HERETIC!

We have 4 places here with great pizza. Cheddar is the answer.

351 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:00:08pm

re: #326 webevintage

Foodies, I made pizza last night.
It was good, but I did not really like the taste of the crust.
Anyone got a link to a good recipe and maybe help on getting the dough to look like a pizza and not an amoeba?

2 cups flour
2 tsp baking powder
1 tsp salt
2/3 cup milk
1/4 cup oil (I really like olive oil for this)

Mix with a fork till all is wet then knead 10 times. Roll out onto pan and top as you desire. 20 - 22 minutes at 425 degrees (adjust as necessary for your oven).

My mom said she got it from Betty Crocker but I've never found it in any cookbook that I haven't contributed it to.

William

352 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:00:39pm

re: #341 Locker

HERETIC!

I just ordered a large Veggie pizza with pineapples..
You want Pineapples?
No
I want extra Pineapples..
Oh..It's you Mr. Hoops
Pretend we are in Hawaii
OK
Click

353 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:00:55pm

re: #347 right_wing2

Cheddar, Mozz, Gouda, Gorgonzolla

With you there.

354 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:01:15pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Did you guys see Jon Stewart on Fox News last night? Only Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox has ever used a Gospel Quire so skillfully to drive a point home.

What is a Gospel Quire? A specially-blessed ream of paper?

355 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:01:23pm

re: #345 Locker

True but then you are stuck with a Fischer-Price machine that's only usable for I-tunes and holding down papers. ;-)

Only if you don't grok the BSD underneith, oh pada-wan...

William

356 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:01:30pm

re: #352 HoosierHoops

I just ordered a large Veggie pizza with pineapples..
You want Pineapples?
No
I want extra Pineapples..
Oh..It's you Mr. Hoops
Pretend we are in Hawaii
OK
Click

DOUBLE HERETIC! (oh, double pineapple.... SAME DAMN THING! HERRRRRETIC!!!)

357 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:01:43pm

re: #352 HoosierHoops

I just ordered a large Veggie pizza with pineapples..
You want Pineapples?
No
I want extra Pineapples..
Oh..It's you Mr. Hoops
Pretend we are in Hawaii
OK
Click

DAMN IT HOOPS!! NO PINEAPPLE!!
/

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:01:59pm

re: #344 Vambo

I would have too much fun throwing the dough around like those Italian pizza guys to really care about what it looked like.

That is the easiest and best way I know of to get the dough circular and uniform. And yes, it is kind of fun.

359 right_wing2  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:02:28pm

There's a bakery franchise here called Great Harvest Bread. They used to make a cracked pepper-Parmesan bread that I always thought would make an incredible crust. I keep asking about it, and if they ever put it on their list again, I might order a loaf, unbaked and divided into about 3-4 thinner pizza-sized crusts.

We also had a guy that ran a late night pizza place near a bar that used a sourdough crust.

360 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:03:35pm

re: #355 wlewisiii

Only if you don't grok the BSD underneith, oh pada-wan...

William

I was grokking when you were shitting yellow and don't call me pada-wan... those movies RUINED the franchise! (Goddamn jarjarmotherfucker...) Upding for the Heinlein reference though...

361 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:04:02pm

re: #356 Locker

DOUBLE HERETIC! (oh, double pineapple... SAME DAMN THING! HERRRETIC!!!)

Calm down and step away from the blackboard, Mr. Beck.

/

362 right_wing2  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:04:05pm

When I worked at a pizza chain, once in a while we'd get a question like 'Does a beef pizza come with onion'? uhhh... not unless you order it that way.

Also got a call from a lady that wanted her pizza carried out, then delivered. Like we'd bring the whole store with us otherwise.

363 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:04:47pm

re: #326 webevintage

Foodies, I made pizza last night.
It was good, but I did not really like the taste of the crust.
Anyone got a link to a good recipe and maybe help on getting the dough to look like a pizza and not an amoeba?

I usually make a (mostly) whole wheat pizza dough...1 1/2 cups white flour, 1 1/2 cups wheat, teaspoon of yeast, cup plus of warm water, tablespoon or two of olive oil, tablespoon of salt, and a tablespoon or two of sugar. I let the bread machine do the kneading and let it rest for about two hours. Then I roll it out on a cutting board and let it rest for another 20-30 minutes.

Cooking is the key. Preheat the oven to 425 and put the crust in by itself for about five or six minutes, then remove, add the sauce/toppings/cheese and return to the oven for another 10-12 minutes. Pre-cooking the crust for five minutes gets rid of excess moisture and keeps the dough from absorbing the sauce and getting gooey.

364 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:05:05pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Calm down and step away from the blackboard, Mr. Beck.

/

The Nazis liked double pineapple as well. Now I'm not claiming that everyone who orders double pineapple is a nazi, I'm just asking questions...

365 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:05:42pm

re: #362 right_wing2

When I worked at a pizza chain, once in a while we'd get a question like 'Does a beef pizza come with onion'? uhhh... not unless you order it that way.

Also got a call from a lady that wanted her pizza carried out, then delivered. Like we'd bring the whole store with us otherwise.

"Can I get a soft pack of Marlboro's in the box." I said that once.

366 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:06:01pm

re: #362 right_wing2

When I worked at a pizza chain, once in a while we'd get a question like 'Does a beef pizza come with onion'? uhhh... not unless you order it that way.

Also got a call from a lady that wanted her pizza carried out, then delivered. Like we'd bring the whole store with us otherwise.

Well, first you carry it out then you deliver it. Makes perfect sense to me, just the "carrier" is in question. ;-)

367 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:06:03pm

re: #356 Locker

DOUBLE HERETIC! (oh, double pineapple... SAME DAMN THING! HERRRETIC!!!)

*sigh* in these parts you say pineapple they say ehh? you say it again they point to the door... watch you back going home.

368 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:06:06pm

re: #363 darthstar

I usually make a (mostly) whole wheat pizza dough...1 1/2 cups white flour, 1 1/2 cups wheat, teaspoon of yeast, cup plus of warm water, tablespoon or two of olive oil, tablespoon of salt, and a tablespoon or two of sugar. I let the bread machine do the kneading and let it rest for about two hours. Then I roll it out on a cutting board and let it rest for another 20-30 minutes.

Cooking is the key. Preheat the oven to 425 and put the crust in by itself for about five or six minutes, then remove, add the sauce/toppings/cheese and return to the oven for another 10-12 minutes. Pre-cooking the crust for five minutes gets rid of excess moisture and keeps the dough from absorbing the sauce and getting gooey.

That's baking, not cooking.

369 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:06:16pm

re: #362 right_wing2


Also got a call from a lady that wanted her pizza carried out, then delivered. Like we'd bring the whole store with us otherwise.

haaaaaha.

I work at a deli in a retail grocer and we get some serious "DUH" questions. My all time favorite was: "do you slice meat here?" No lady, the slicers, meats and employees are just for show.

370 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:07:15pm

re: #321 Locker

I had no idea that was Alex Jones. I love that movie but that's the craziest part.

He's also in A Scanner Darkly.

371 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:07:27pm

re: #365 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Can I get a soft pack of Marlboro's in the box." I said that once.

I believe it but was it an accident or just a fun attempt to scramble the brains of your resident Circle K employee?

372 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:07:46pm

re: #367 brookly red

*sigh* in these parts you say pineapple they say ehh? you say it again they point to the door... watch you back going home.

New York can be a rough place at times. Here in Chicago there are a number of places where you can get pineapple on your pizza. They won't even give you flak about it.

373 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:07:47pm

Pizza D'oh! needs yeast. So far only Darth got that right.:)

374 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:07:49pm

re: #370 ArchangelMichael

He's also in A Scanner Darkly.

[Video]

Own that one as well. Great flick.

375 Sinistershade  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:07:51pm

re: #327 brookly red

I know... and if any one from Dell is reading this my next rig is a Mac.

I work for Dell. My next system will be a Mac, too. As were my last half-dozen or more. (I also had a NeXT System, but that's another story.)

376 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:08:04pm

re: #364 Locker

The Nazis liked double pineapple as well. Now I'm not claiming that everyone who orders double pineapple is a nazi, I'm just asking questions...

/it is a little know fact that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because Benito put a hit out.

377 right_wing2  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:08:49pm

re: #369 Vambo

Worked at an airline for a couple years until it went belly up. Our flights were nortoriously late. One night, the flight was probably 2 hours behind and someone said 'the plane really crashed and you're just not telling us, right?'

Yeah. We're waiting for the next shift to show, we'll say 'Plane crashed!', and run, leaving them to deal with everything.

378 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:08:50pm

re: #371 Locker

I believe it but was it an accident or just a fun attempt to scramble the brains of your resident Circle K employee?

I was 18. Was actually my Bday when I said that phrase.

379 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:10:10pm

re: #376 brookly red

/it is a little know fact that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because Benito put a hit out.

I heard that too. The bone of contention that broke the Axis was the Nazi's fondness for double pineapple coupled with Benito bombing the primary producers of said topping via Japanese proxy.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

380 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:10:40pm

re: #362 right_wing2

At the place I used to work, we had a lady come in for the "Carry Out Special". When I told her it would be about 15-20 mins. (that's standard), she got angry. That was just too long for her to wait, and she demanded that we deliver it to her home at the carry out price.

I told her that's not how it works. She proceeded to argue, and threatened to take her business elsewhere. I then told that one of the great things about America is that she can spend her money where ever she likes, and asked her to please take her business elsewhere.

381 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:10:48pm

re: #376 brookly red

/it is a little know fact that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because Benito put a hit out.

Me think not...

382 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:11:31pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

New York can be a rough place at times. Here in Chicago there are a number of places where you can get pineapple on your pizza. They won't even give you flak about it.

I don't wanna come off the wrong way but I don't get no pizza from no one named Habbie... just saying.

and I don't get no falafel from a guy named Tony just to be fair.

383 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:11:59pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

New York can be a rough place at times. Here in Chicago there are a number of places where you can get pineapple on your pizza. They won't even give you flak about it.

But they should!

/

384 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:12:40pm

re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar

Pizza D'oh! needs yeast. So far only Darth got that right.:)

You must have missed my link, then.

385 right_wing2  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:12:52pm

re: #380 Slumbering Behemoth
People can be a real headache, can't they?

386 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:13:08pm

re: #384 Slumbering Behemoth

You must have missed my link, then.

Sorry if I did.

387 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:13:15pm

re: #368 Cato the Elder

That's baking, not cooking.

Damn...busted by Cato the semantic sentry.

388 elizajane  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:14:11pm

re: #119 Renaissance_Man

Democracy as an institution relies upon an educated populace to function. FOX and the Conservative media are no longer simply biased news organisations - their model has moved to the creation of stories out of whole cloth, the creation of a fantasy world for their followers to live in. This is not simply abhorrent journalism - it is an undermining of democracy itself.

And it's repulsive to see in this nation especially, essentially the birthplace of the modern democracy.

Today I flipped on my radio and heard Rush say, "Obama's not a thinker, he's a thug. He didn't WIN the election. He just had his henchmen tank Wall Street in the fall of 2008 so people would be scared into voting against the Republicans." I could have that slightly off, but I'm certain that "had his henchmen tank Wall Street" is an exact quotation. And I thought, this man can just make up anything, anything at all, and millions of people apparently believe it to be true.

389 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:14:42pm

re: #300 webevintage

Besides McConells' Jowls the other thing that has been making me laugh is Sue Lowden and her whole "bring chickens to pay for your health care" thing.

holy crap, is she serious? who is this Sue Lowden? is Nevada looking forward to another Harry Reid term? (I don't know their demographics).

As my base unit of currency, I chose a live, day-old baby Cornish X Rock chick (good meat chickens, 4-5 lbs. in just 6-8 weeks) from the Murray McMurray chicken hatchery in Webster City, Iowa, which cost $1.92 each..

(snip)

Here's what some procedures cost, in Cornish X Rock chickens and, for a sense of scale, in the number of semi tractor-trailer "big rig" trucks it would take to haul those chickens (at 6,000 chickens per truck):

Laparoscopic appendectomy: $22,718.70, or 11,833 chickens (two trucks).

Silicone gel breast implants, surgeon's fee (not including implants themselves, hospitalization, etc.), according to the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery: $3,813, or 1,986 chickens (one-third of one truck).

Surgically repairing the leg Arnold Schwarzenegger broke skiing in 2007: $55,000 (28,646 chickens, or nearly five trucks).

Average MRI in San Diego, California: $2,826 (1,472 chickens, or about 1/4 of a semi truck). (Cost to operate an MRI machine for one year: $800,000 (416,667 chickens, or about 69 trucks).)

the best part:

One thing Lowden may not have considered is a new study showing that bacteria in feathers and debris blowing off chicken haulers can cause illness in humans. This suggests that switching to a chicken-based medical economy, which of course seems at first like a stellar idea, could accidentally drive up the demand for healthcare, increasing medical costs instead of reducing them.

390 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:14:44pm

re: #360 Locker

I was grokking when you were shitting yellow and don't call me pada-wan... those movies RUINED the franchise! (Goddamn jarjarmotherfucker...) Upding for the Heinlein reference though...

Speaking of Star Wars:

VADER Hovers Over Afghanistan

April 21, 2010: The U.S. Army is borrowing a YMQ-18A (A160T Hummingbird) helicopter UAV from SOCOM (Special Operations Command). A year ago, SOCOM doubled its order, to 20, for the YMQ-18A, having ordered the first ten in late 2008. The army will mount a 1.1 ton VADER (Vehicle and Dismount Exploitation Radar) pod on the YMQ-18A, and use it to track vehicles and people on the ground in Afghanistan. VADER was designed for use on the Sky Warrior UAV, but the multiple sensors of VADER lend themselves to staying in one place to keep an eye on suspicious activity. Thus the experiment with the YMQ-18A. VADER was developed by the IED task force, and will patrol roads at night, looking for roadside bombs, or people planting them.

No word on whether armed versions of this drone call out "I have you now!" before launching Hellfires.

/Stay on Target!

391 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:15:55pm

OK, so I think I will get mine with spinach, onion & black olive...

oh and make it square.

392 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:16:30pm

re: #326 webevintage

Foodies, I made pizza last night.
It was good, but I did not really like the taste of the crust.
Anyone got a link to a good recipe and maybe help on getting the dough to look like a pizza and not an amoeba?

I have used this one successfully in the past a few times:

1 x 1/4 ounce package active dry yeast
1 cup warm water (warm NOT hot!)
2 cups bread flour
2 tablespoons olive oil
1 teaspoon salt
2 teaspoons white sugar

In a smallish bowl dissolve the yeast in warm water. Let it stand until it is looking "creamy." (should take about 10 minutes)
In a large bowl, combine the 2 cups of bread flour, olive oil, salt, white sugar and the yeast mixture. Stir well to combine then beat well until a stiff dough has formed. Cover the mixture and set aside to rise until it has approx. doubled in volume. (should take about 30 minutes)
While waiting for the dough to rise preheat your oven to 350 degrees F.
Turn the dough out onto a well floured surface. Form dough into a round and then roll it out into a pizza crust shape. Cover with your favorite sauce and toppings and bake in preheated oven until golden brown, about 20 minutes.

393 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:16:33pm

Pizza:
Make or get D'oh!!
Toss.
Put on stone.
Add sauce and cheese.
Top it!!! (sausage, pepperoni, jalapeno)
Bake!!!
Drink!!!

394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:17:17pm

re: #385 right_wing2

No doubt. We were a real busy joint, 'cuz we were real cheap. When the phones were ringing off the hook, and dough was flying everywhere, if you called in and answered "No" to "Will you please hold?", you got hung up on without comment.

395 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:17:20pm

re: #388 elizajane

Today I flipped on my radio and heard Rush say, "Obama's not a thinker, he's a thug. He didn't WIN the election. He just had his henchmen tank Wall Street in the fall of 2008 so people would be scared into voting against the Republicans." I could have that slightly off, but I'm certain that "had his henchmen tank Wall Street" is an exact quotation. And I thought, this man can just make up anything, anything at all, and millions of people apparently believe it to be true.

Hell, if he can do that, what did he want to be President for?

396 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:19:05pm

re: #326 webevintage


If you're going to all that trouble, might as well do it right.... this makes a bunch, and freezes beautifully.
1 1/4 cups warm (100 to 110) water
2 packages dry yeast
1 tablespoon honey
2 tsp kosher salt
Good olive oil
4 cups all-purpose flour, plus extra for kneading

Combine the water, yeast, honey and 3 tablespoons of olive oil in the bowl of an electric mixer fitted with a dough hook. When the yeast is dissolved, add 3 cups of flour, then 2 teaspoons salt, and mix on medium-low speed. While mixing, add up to 1 more cup of flour, or just enough to make a soft dough. Knead the dough for about 10 minutes until smooth, sprinkling it with the flour as necessary to keep it from sticking to the bowl. When the dough is ready, turn it out onto a floured board and knead it by hand a dozen times. It should be smooth and elastic. Place the dough in a well-oiled bowl and turn it to cover it lightly with oil. Cover the bowl with a kitchen towel and allow the dough to rise at room temperature for 30 minutes.
Dump the dough onto a board and divide it into 6 equal pieces. Place the doughs on sheet pans lined with parchment paper and cover them with a damp towel. Allow the dough to rest for 10 minutes. (Use immediately, or refrigerate for up to 4 hours).Press and stretch each ball into an 8-inch circle and place 2 circles on each sheet pan lined with parchment paper. (If you've chilled the dough, take it out of the refrigerator approximately 30 minutes ahead to let it come to room temperature.)

This makes fantastic free-form pizzas... it's the Barefoot Contessa's recipe.

397 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:19:12pm

re: #395 wrenchwench

Hell, if he can do that, what did he want to be President for?

/the SOB want's to regulate pizza!

398 recusancy  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:19:20pm
399 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:20:57pm

re: #394 Slumbering Behemoth

No doubt. We were a real busy joint, 'cuz we were real cheap. When the phones were ringing off the hook, and dough was flying everywhere, if you called in and answered "No" to "Will you please hold?", you got hung up on without comment.

haha. That's why I hate working for corporate - no matter how practical you are with an impossible customer, all they have to do is give hell to someone higher on the totem pole and you're in the ringer.

400 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:20:58pm

Sports break.

Steelers reportedly shopping Roethlisberger after NFL hands down six-game suspension

Team officials are talking to clubs with high picks in the upcoming draft, ESPN says. The quarterback’s off-field behavior could cost him $2.8 million in salary.

401 elizajane  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:23:04pm

re: #395 wrenchwench

Hell, if he can do that, what did he want to be President for?

I thought that too! Those tricky henchmen. No doubt they're the ones who've got the Dow above 11,000 now.

402 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:23:05pm

re: #395 wrenchwench

Hell, if he can do that, what did he want to be President for?

You're approaching this all wrong, using critical thinking like that. You're supposed to shut off your noodle and let Rush spoon feed you pablum. C'mon, he's got several ex-wives to feed.

403 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:23:56pm

re: #290 HoosierHoops

Anytime my friend..20 years at Mare Island as a Nuke...I am so proud to work for the DOD on Submarines. I am proud of our Quality..(Nukes are us bitches) Our men and leaders in the Silent Service.. ( Finally women will be allowed on subs) The Leadership is world class..It has been my honor..
/The most impressive Captain I have ever met was one morning DryDocking the SSN 646 Greyling..The old man poured me a cup of coffee and engaged us in Conversation.. Dude looked like John Wayne..And he was just a leader through and through..He stunned me and my buds that morning...What a Captain! I would follow him to the gates of Hell.. I promise you Ludwig..When the SSN646 drove out of DD#4.. It was the most bad ass upgraded Sub in the Navy.. The old man made sure our code 1390 got 20 lbs of free Coffee every week..I need to Wikki him..I forgot his name

A good sub skipper is like John Wayne with a PhD in physics. They are a very impressive breed.

404 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:24:24pm

re: #401 elizajane

I thought that too! Those tricky henchmen. No doubt they're the ones who've got the Dow above 11,000 now.

yeah! no if we can just make it back to 13,000...

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:25:51pm

re: #388 elizajane

Elizajane? Here's the exact quote.

From Rush's transcripts...

He benefited from his party and the media ratcheting up a level of hate against George W. Bush that we couldn't understand, a level of hate for the US military, a level of hate for the US economy. I play golf with a bunch of Democrats. One of them is a good friend of mine, a very smart guy. He hated Bush with a purple passion but couldn't tell me why. "It can't get any worse, Rush! It can't get any worse than what it is!" You want to bet it can't get any worse? It has proceeded to get worse. Do you think that Obama depended on policy to reveal the sealed divorce papers of his Republican opponent for his Senate run? He didn't. He didn't depend on policy when his henchmen tanked the markets in September 2008. Do you think he was running on policy then?

406 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:26:44pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What an irresponsible jackass.

407 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:26:59pm

re: #383 ArchangelMichael
Pizza and pineapple have nothing in common but the letter p.
There oughta be a law.//

408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:28:23pm

re: #406 Obdicut

Hey! Don't shoot the messenger!

Was his words!

409 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:28:27pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love it.

1. Henchmen tank economy
2. ???
3. Oval Office

410 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:28:29pm

re: #398 recusancy

Looks like Manzi is the new Frum.

The Manzi piece is great, and I'm happy to see that he's getting flak for it, because that means he hit 'em where they can feel it. To make it deeper though, look at what Frum was saying in 2003. I think the background brings it together.

411 zora  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:29:19pm

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Steele: African-Americans 'Really Don't Have A Reason' To Vote GOP

Steele said how the Republican party had been founded as a pro-civil rights party, with Frederick Douglass among its early members. However, Steele explained, the Republican Party has alienated those voters: "For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, 'Bubba' went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton."

let's see who he apologizes to for this one. rush? hannity?

412 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:29:42pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elizajane? Here's the exact quote.

From Rush's transcripts...

He benefited from his party and the media ratcheting up a level of hate against George W. Bush that we couldn't understand, a level of hate for the US military, a level of hate for the US economy. I play golf with a bunch of Democrats. One of them is a good friend of mine, a very smart guy. He hated Bush with a purple passion but couldn't tell me why. "It can't get any worse, Rush! It can't get any worse than what it is!" You want to bet it can't get any worse? It has proceeded to get worse. Do you think that Obama depended on policy to reveal the sealed divorce papers of his Republican opponent for his Senate run? He didn't. He didn't depend on policy when his henchmen tanked the markets in September 2008. Do you think he was running on policy then?

Wow. Unbelievable.

Obama's henchmen tanked the markets, says Rush, and ten million American morons rush to repeat it on Twitter and Facebook.

This country is so fucking stupid, we deserve whatever we get.

413 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:30:14pm

re: #407 tradewind

Pizza and pineapple have nothing in common but the letter p.
There oughta be a law.//

there is...

[Link: www.pizzanapoletana.org...]

414 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:30:38pm

re: #403 LudwigVanQuixote

A good sub skipper is like John Wayne with a PhD in physics. They are a very impressive breed.

They have to be. It's very unforgiving work. A loose toolbox can give you away, and once the enemy has found you it's very hard to survive.

415 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:31:18pm

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. Didn't mean you, meant Rush.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:31:32pm

re: #412 Cato the Elder

Well, to be fair... I've only seen it here.
/

417 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:31:56pm

re: #412 Cato the Elder

Wow. Unbelievable.

Obama's henchmen tanked the markets, says Rush, and ten million American morons rush to repeat it on Twitter and Facebook.

This country is so fucking stupid, we deserve whatever we get.

/and going after Goldman proves he is anti-semitic!

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:32:02pm

re: #415 Obdicut

Oh, I know. Just wanted to make you squirm a bit.

419 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:32:06pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There's no need to listen to Rush, the formerly faithful appear to be eating their young without him, if you believe Reuters.

The "everyone's in it together" feeling of the 2008 election has been replaced with "me first" on many fronts.

Evidently the unity unicorn has died....
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

420 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:32:11pm

re: #411 zora

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Steele: African-Americans 'Really Don't Have A Reason' To Vote GOP

Steele said how the Republican party had been founded as a pro-civil rights party, with Frederick Douglass among its early members. However, Steele explained, the Republican Party has alienated those voters: "For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, 'Bubba' went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton."

let's see who he apologizes to for this one. rush? hannity?

He should apologize to no one. He's entirely right and if the party will not accept it, then he should resign and denounce the party. Michael Steele is right on this issue, period.

421 recusancy  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:32:19pm

re: #411 zora

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Steele: African-Americans 'Really Don't Have A Reason' To Vote GOP

Steele said how the Republican party had been founded as a pro-civil rights party, with Frederick Douglass among its early members. However, Steele explained, the Republican Party has alienated those voters: "For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, 'Bubba' went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton."

let's see who he apologizes to for this one. rush? hannity?

Wow! Telling the truth has consequences in the Republican party. His days are definitely numbered now.

422 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:32:19pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

New York can be a rough place at times. Here in Chicago there are a number of places where you can get pineapple on your pizza. They won't even give you flak about it.

people are weird about pizza

423 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:32:31pm

re: #410 wrenchwench

I love how the NRO responses to that complain about Manzi's "tone" criticizing the FREAKING EPITHET SPEWING HOWLER MONKEY Levin. Hilarious.

424 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:32:32pm

re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What an irresponsible jackass.

/

425 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:34:02pm

re: #422 WindUpBird

people are weird about pizza

what you trying to say?

426 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:34:18pm

re: #411 zora

I love how he says they HAD a southern strategy for the past 40 years, as if they don't use it still.

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:34:56pm

re: #422 WindUpBird

people are weird about pizza

I've had pizza with chocolate pudding baked on it. Tasted a bit like... chocolate pie.

428 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:36:00pm

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've had pizza with chocolate pudding baked on it. Tasted a bit like... chocolate pie.

GASP!

429 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:36:05pm

the home of pizza blasphemy but I have to say some of their stuff is just plain good.

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:36:34pm

re: #320 brookly red

if you call in a problem to McAfee the first thing they do is scan with Malwarebytes... Hmmm.

The thing with Malwarebytes is it's way more of a drastic tool than a normal virus checker. You don't really want it as your primary security thing, because it breaks legitimate programs. You bring it in as a big gun when there's some faker scumware thing that installed itself and removed access to the task manager.

431 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:36:39pm

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, with some cinnamon and sugar in the dough, I can see it.....

432 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:36:55pm

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've had pizza with chocolate pudding baked on it. Tasted a bit like... chocolate pie.

There's a place around here that does a peanut-butter pepperoni pizza. They use a peanut-butter sauce in place of the traditional red sauce. It is teh awesome.

433 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:37:52pm

re: #429 Dreggas

the home of pizza blasphemy but I have to say some of their stuff is just plain good.

!damnation eterno!

434 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:38:18pm

re: #432 Slumbering Behemoth

There's a place around here that does a peanut-butter pepperoni pizza. They use a peanut-butter sauce in place of the traditional red sauce. It is teh awesome.

!damnation eterno!

435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:38:31pm

re: #432 Slumbering Behemoth

This was plain and simple desert pizza. What a combination.

436 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:38:46pm

re: #431 tradewind

Okay, with some cinnamon and sugar in the dough, I can see it...

!damnation eterno!

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:38:51pm

re: #429 Dreggas

the home of pizza blasphemy but I have to say some of their stuff is just plain good.

Not coincidentally, i love their pizzas. :D Blasphemy tastes awesome, just ask Anton Lavey. There's a local place in Portland that does similar styles as CPK, but a more robust. and they have like 35 beers on tap.

438 palomino  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:39:10pm

re: #412 Cato the Elder

Wow. Unbelievable.

Obama's henchmen tanked the markets, says Rush, and ten million American morons rush to repeat it on Twitter and Facebook.

This country is so fucking stupid, we deserve whatever we get.

Dittoheads and teabaggers are increasingly living in an evidence free world. Of course it also happens on the other side, but the right is waging a scorched earth campaign NOW because they've got nothing to lose and they're blinded by rage.

All the little bullshit stories--birth certificates, Kenya as home country, bowing, destroying the stock market, whatever--are predicated on hatred that trumps rationality. So this trash is believable to a certain segment of the population.

439 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:39:24pm

re: #433 brookly red

!damnation eterno!

also, too much cheese on pizza is gross

440 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:39:53pm

re: #437 WindUpBird

Not coincidentally, i love their pizzas. :D Blasphemy tastes awesome, just ask Anton Lavey. There's a local place in Portland that does similar styles as CPK, but a more robust. and they have like 35 beers on tap.

35 beers? maybe just purgatory...

441 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:40:06pm

re: #434 brookly red

What can I say? I love pizza, and I love peanut-butter.

442 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:40:40pm

re: #440 brookly red

35 beers? maybe just purgatory...

including Rogue Dead Guy *_*

They have another few dozen in the bottle, including Belgians like Duvel...

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:40:51pm

re: #438 palomino

By the way. Some "dittoheads"? Aren't anymore.

Want me to name one? His name rhymes with Fat Bastard Vegetarian.

444 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:41:11pm

re: #412 Cato the Elder
I don't see how he could know that, and wouldn't put any stock in what Limbaugh had to say re economics in any case, but the fact remains that McCain would most likely be president had the markets not tanked.

445 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:41:11pm

re: #439 WindUpBird

also, too much cheese on pizza is gross

Yet fondue is wonderful.

446 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:41:21pm

re: #437 WindUpBird

Blasphemy tastes awesome

It's Sacrilicious!

447 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:41:44pm

re: #437 WindUpBird

I miss their reuben pizza. It had a rye crust, russian dressing for sauce, swiss cheese and pastrami and sauerkraut. It was excellent.

I do like their carne asada pizza and the BBQ chicken one.

448 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:41:51pm

re: #436 brookly red
/never said it was still pizza/

449 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:42:10pm

Hey, thanks for all the crust recipes!

450 palomino  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:42:20pm

re: #439 WindUpBird

also, too much cheese on pizza is gross

I disagree. Pizza's raison d'etre is warm, gooey cheese. Here in Cali, the cheeseless pizza is popular. I find it an abomination, an utter perversion of Italian-American gastronomical arts. I would favor banning it.

451 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:42:31pm

re: #448 tradewind

/never said it was still pizza/

tella dat to Sainta Peter!

452 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:42:46pm

re: #433 brookly red

coming from NY i thought so too but I gave in to temptation and their food is really good.

453 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:42:48pm

re: #445 Obdicut

Yet fondue is wonderful.

I can't do fondue either :D

My relationship with cheese is sort of off and on. i LOVE just eating really nice blue cheese straight, but I dunno, it's the gooeness, the texture of some foods with lots of cheese. I also can't eat mac and cheese.

454 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:42:56pm

Napolitano disrespected Lincoln by calling him "the most unconstitutional president" who "made war on half the country."

So Pi** on Mr. Napolitano.

455 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:43:36pm

re: #443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way. Some "dittoheads"? Aren't anymore.

Want me to name one? His name rhymes with Fat Bastard Vegetarian.

It's okay. I too am a recovering dittohead. I quit back in the heyday of CDS.

456 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:43:38pm

re: #445 Obdicut

Eating Bambi with cheese:

Faun Fondue.

457 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:44:09pm

re: #450 palomino
Well see, that's just backwards thinking. It's more likely that the cheese has been banned by the food police in their endless quest to stamp out sodium and fat.//

458 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:44:13pm

re: #453 WindUpBird

I am a big fan of horseradish cheddar.

459 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:44:14pm

re: #450 palomino

I disagree. Pizza's raison d'etre is warm, gooey cheese. Here in Cali, the cheeseless pizza is popular. I find it an abomination, an utter perversion of Italian-American gastronomical arts. I would favor banning it.

/Hey! the cheese-less pizza she is ah like the girly man...

460 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:44:43pm

re: #450 palomino

I disagree. Pizza's raison d'etre is warm, gooey cheese. Here in Cali, the cheeseless pizza is popular. I find it an abomination, an utter perversion of Italian-American gastronomical arts. I would favor banning it.

I like cheese on pizza, don't get me wrong. i just don't want the cheese to overwhelm everything in texture. I want to taste the cheese, and I want the garlic to be apocalyptic. :D

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:44:56pm

Y'all? Watch brookly red's head explode.

My favorite pizza on earth? Pizza Hut Veggie Lover's Pizza.

*watches in anticipation*

462 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:45:15pm

re: #458 Dreggas

I am a big fan of horseradish cheddar.

I can get with that!

463 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:46:39pm

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Y'all? Watch brookly red's head explode.

My favorite pizza on earth? Pizza Hut Veggie Lover's Pizza.

*watches in anticipation*

YOU POOR DEPRAVED MISFIT!

464 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:46:43pm

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Y'all? Watch brookly red's head explode.

My favorite pizza on earth? Pizza Hut Veggie Lover's Pizza.

*watches in anticipation*

With Extra Pineapples!
BOOM!
Poor Brookly.. We are gathered here today...

465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:46:45pm

re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth

It's okay. I too am a recovering dittohead. I quit back in the heyday of CDS.

I dropped it after wondering what I was doing surrounding myself with so much negative energy.

Then I came here.

Epic Fail! But here, I'm part of the nastiness... so, it's okay.

466 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:46:52pm

re: #460 WindUpBird


you would like the "white" pizza we used to get back in NY. It didn't have red sauce just some thin garlic laced white sauce covered in cheese and we usually got broccoli on it. Was halitosis heaven.

467 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:47:00pm

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Y'all? Watch brookly red's head explode.

My favorite pizza on earth? Pizza Hut Veggie Lover's Pizza.

*watches in anticipation*

no that is OK, if its all you can get... better than Pappa John's if your stuck in nowheresville.

468 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:47:14pm

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My favorite vegi pie comes with whole roasted garlic, artichoke hearts, and crumbled feta cheese. There was a chain in Seattle that made the best ones, though I can't recall the name.

469 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:47:37pm

re: #466 Dreggas

you would like the "white" pizza we used to get back in NY. It didn't have red sauce just some thin garlic laced white sauce covered in cheese and we usually got broccoli on it. Was halitosis heaven.

I'd be less with the broccoli, more with the spinach. But that sounds good!

470 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:47:44pm

re: #464 HoosierHoops

With Extra Pineapples!
BOOM!
Poor Brookly.. We are gathered here today...

I have have not forgotten you nuke suitcase comment...

471 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:48:03pm

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pizza Hut? You mean that place where they slop some sauce on a piece of cardboard and run it through an oven...//
(JK.... the stomach wants what the stomach wants, and to each his own.)
Veggie pizza's my favorite, too, even though I'm completely carnivorous.

472 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:48:20pm

re: #468 Slumbering Behemoth

My favorite vegi pie comes with whole roasted garlic, artichoke hearts, and crumbled feta cheese. There was a chain in Seattle that made the best ones, though I can't recall the name.

You're not thinking of Pietro's are you? That was my parents favorite old school Seattle chain when I was a kid.

473 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:48:54pm

re: #454 Ojoe

Napolitano disrespected Lincoln by calling him "the most unconstitutional president" who "made war on half the country."

So Pi** on Mr. Napolitano.

Then he has earned my Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates:

474 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:48:56pm

re: #468 Slumbering Behemoth
Mellow Mushroom?

475 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:49:20pm

I have to say, in all honesty, Domino's has gotten a LOT better. Round Table is still good in my book but I love finding the little out of the way pizza joint that knows how to do it just right.

476 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:50:03pm

This is why you root for GM, by the way.

because they're making that car. They fucking rule.

477 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:50:08pm

re: #472 WindUpBird

You're not thinking of Pietro's are you? That was my parents favorite old school Seattle chain when I was a kid.

No, but it just came to me: Pagliacci's.

478 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:50:19pm

/you think the tea party bad... you think the militias bad... you come and fuck with our pizza then you see bad!

479 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:50:32pm

re: #475 Dreggas

I have to say, in all honesty, Domino's has gotten a LOT better. Round Table is still good in my book but I love finding the little out of the way pizza joint that knows how to do it just right.

yeah, if I do chains and not hole in the wall portland joints, it's Round Table.

480 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:50:42pm

re: #474 tradewind

Never even heard of that one.

481 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:50:45pm

re: #477 Slumbering Behemoth

No, but it just came to me: Pagliacci's.

OH They were good!

482 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:51:34pm

re: #475 Dreggas

I have to say, in all honesty, Domino's has gotten a LOT better. Round Table is still good in my book but I love finding the little out of the way pizza joint that knows how to do it just right.

I haven't had round table pizza since I was in Cali.. They have the best bread sticks in the world

483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:51:43pm

re: #476 WindUpBird

Dayam.

484 palomino  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:52:23pm

re: #457 tradewind

Well see, that's just backwards thinking. It's more likely that the cheese has been banned by the food police in their endless quest to stamp out sodium and fat.//

Actually the crust (empty carbs from bleached white flour) and the sauce (very high in sodium, possibly made with corn syrup) could come under fire as well. It all depends on which branch of the food police you're talking about.

Ironically the cheese is the least processed, most natural element of the pizza.

As for chefs who make cheeseless pizza, I would favor their imprisonment. (They ruin society by selling poison to our children).

485 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:53:36pm

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

I can play that on some of my pipes. Thanks.

486 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:53:37pm

re: #481 WindUpBird

Ohh yeah. I had a vegetarian friend up there, and I never complained when she ordered their vegi pie. They make good stuff.

487 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:54:25pm

re: #476 WindUpBird

This is why you root for GM, by the way.

because they're making that car. They fucking rule.

Looks pretty good. I'd hand it over to avanti to put through its paces before giving the final A-OK.

488 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:54:42pm

re: #484 palomino

Actually the crust (empty carbs from bleached white flour) and the sauce (very high in sodium, possibly made with corn syrup) could come under fire as well. It all depends on which branch of the food police you're talking about.

Ironically the cheese is the least processed, most natural element of the pizza.

As for chefs who make cheeseless pizza, I would favor their imprisonment. (They ruin society by selling poison to our children).

here in civilization we get the whole grain (hi-fiber) crust... you want whole wheat, or the semolina?

489 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:55:27pm

re: #476 WindUpBird
ZOMG.
And it comes fully equipped with its own leather trench coat and ostrich-feather-trimmed hat......

490 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:56:24pm

re: #484 palomino

That's why I like making my own. At the pizza joint I worked at, Water, Sugar, and HFC were the first three ingredients in the pizza sauce. Blech!

491 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:56:58pm

Well Lizards it's time to call it a day. May you all have a good night.

But remember, there are only two kinds of ships

L8R

492 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:57:03pm

re: #484 palomino
Yeah, forgot all about that HFCS.
Throw 'em all in jail!

493 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:57:29pm

re: #490 Slumbering Behemoth

That's why I like making my own. At the pizza joint I worked at, Water, Sugar, and HFC were the first three ingredients in the pizza sauce. Blech!

I weep...

494 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:57:43pm

This used to be an important, meaningful blog about reality and war and stuff. Now it's just an echo chamber where all you do is TALK ABOUT PIZZA!

Please cancel my subscription.

hi Stinky!

495 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:57:47pm

re: #485 Ojoe

I can play that on some of my pipes. Thanks.

Glad to help. I post that song a lot these days, sad to say. It's a good song, but I wish the cause whose defeat it celebrates had not enjoyed its current resurgence.

496 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:59:04pm

re: #494 wrenchwench

This used to be an important, meaningful blog about reality and war and stuff. Now it's just an echo chamber where all you do is TALK ABOUT PIZZA!

Please cancel my subscription.

Worse yet, everyone's in TOTAL AGREEMENT about their pizza. Talk about groupthink.

497 palomino  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:59:13pm

re: #488 brookly red

here in civilization we get the whole grain (hi-fiber) crust... you want whole wheat, or the semolina?

Here on the left coast, I'd be willing to bet there's even more whole grain, multi grain, super multi grain, 7/9/11 grain, etc. going into our pizza crusts. But without cheese, it's still an utter desecration of the culinary lineage of both Italy and the US. It cannot go unpunished.

498 Macha  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:59:14pm

re: #468 Slumbering Behemoth

My favorite vegi pie comes with whole roasted garlic, artichoke hearts, and crumbled feta cheese. There was a chain in Seattle that made the best ones, though I can't recall the name.

Hi all,

I'm getting hungry just reading this thread. FBV, this sounds heavenly. There used to be an Italian eatery near where my son lived that made a pizza with fresh Basil, mushrooms and garlic. No red sauce, just cheese with that. It was mind blowing. They moved their business to LA, as they had an opportunity to expand. I've never found any as good since.

499 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:59:42pm

re: #492 tradewind

I swear once I stopped drinking soda that contained HFCS and switched to stuff only made with real sugar i lost weight. I am also a big fan of agave syrup.

500 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 3:59:58pm

re: #493 brookly red

Tell me about it. That ain't pizza sauce, that's damn near soda pop.

501 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:00:23pm

re: #496 Renaissance_Man
Not so much. There's the Pineapple War, still raging.

502 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:00:31pm

re: #496 Renaissance_Man

Worse yet, everyone's in TOTAL AGREEMENT about their pizza. Talk about groupthink.

no there are infidels among us... I can smell the pineapple upon their breath...

503 palomino  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:00:50pm

re: #490 Slumbering Behemoth

That's why I like making my own. At the pizza joint I worked at, Water, Sugar, and HFC were the first three ingredients in the pizza sauce. Blech!

Cheap to make and "addictive" to the teens and 20-somethings who comprise the customer base. Ahh, the food industry.

504 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:00:54pm

re: #496 Renaissance_Man


we may disagree on some things but we can all agree nobody should fuck with our pizza.

505 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:01:15pm

re: #499 Dreggas
Soda.... that stuff'll kill you.
But I agree, the sugar tastes way better than the syrup.

506 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:02:05pm

Hey Fat Bastard, have you heard the news? I am now you. Are you now me?

507 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:02:54pm

re: #504 Dreggas

we may disagree on some things but we can all agree nobody should fuck with our pizza.

Hope and (you no) change our pizza!

508 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:02:56pm

re: #502 brookly red

no there are infidels among us... I can smell the pineapple upon their breath...

3 Years working at Pearl Harbor changes a man..
PINEAPPLE ON PIZZA ROCKS!
/So there

509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:03:14pm

re: #506 Slumbering Behemoth

Hi, I'm FBV. But, then again, isn't everybody?

510 palomino  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:03:21pm

re: #504 Dreggas

we may disagree on some things but we can all agree nobody should fuck with our pizza.

Even I would buy a gun and wear a silly tri-corner hat if someone suggested "fucking" with my access to pizza.

511 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:03:33pm

Once again, atheist scoffers, we present evidence that demons are real and they walk the Earth:

Infamous church group coming to Atlanta for protests

One of the most controversial families in the country is heading south to protest "rebellious brats," a Jewish publication and an indie rock festival.
Enlarge photo

Topeka's Westboro Baptist Church, whose membership consists mostly of family members of its pastor, Fred Phelps, has planned nine protests around the metro Atlanta area on May 5-6. The small Kansas group, known for picketing the funerals of U.S. soldiers and its antipathy toward homosexuals, will protest at Grady, Druid Hills and Douglass high schools, the Jewish Georgian and a Cinco de Mayo rock festival in Alpharetta, among other locations.

"These perverts have a platform God has given them to enfluence [sic] this nation," the Westboro group wrote in one of its tamer dispatches. "They should be using their position to teach obedience to God's standards, not disobedience!"

Shielded by the First Amendment, the group has withstood attempts to silence its venomous protests.

A question though: How is this group "controversial" when everyone from the Quakers to the KKK agree that they are a useless waste of oxygen?

512 Macha  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:03:58pm

re: #506 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey Fat Bastard, have you heard the news? I am now you. Are you now me?

Oh hell, I screwed up. Sorry guys.

513 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:04:26pm

re: #499 Dreggas

I swear once I stopped drinking soda that contained HFCS and switched to stuff only made with real sugar i lost weight. I am also a big fan of agave syrup.

HFC is not good for you. It disrupts your body's ability to produce glucose and thus turn food into energy, which in turn means more body fat.

514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:04:34pm

re: #512 Macha

Oh hell, I screwed up. Sorry guys.

Didn't bother me none. Anytime you get your name in the press, it's good.

515 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:05:13pm

This thread's made up my mind about dinner.... I'm going outside to pick some basil and spinach. Have a nice night, and don't trust anyone who pairs pineapple with pizza.....//

516 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:05:18pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops

3 Years working at Pearl Harbor changes a man..
PINEAPPLE ON PIZZA ROCKS!
/So there

517 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:05:33pm

re: #511 Shiplord Kirel

Once again, atheist scoffers, we present evidence that demons are real and they walk the Earth:

Infamous church group coming to Atlanta for protests

A question though: How is this group "controversial" when everyone from the Quakers to the KKK agree that they are a useless waste of oxygen?

I think that "controversial" is simply a default word the media uses. You're right that it's not appropriate in this matter. That the Phelps Klan are scum is something Keith Olbermann and Glenn Beck agree on.

518 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:05:52pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops
Oh noooo, Hoops, not you... save yourself before its too late.........

519 tradewind  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:07:18pm

re: #511 Shiplord Kirel
Well... I was almost off.... you had to post this....
That freakshow is not a church. It's a freaking coven.

520 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:07:35pm

I gotta say a pineapple and bacon pizza is an occasional sin I do indulge in. Usually I am a pepperoni and mushroom type though.

521 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:07:40pm

re: #412 Cato the Elder

Wow. Unbelievable.

Obama's henchmen tanked the markets, says Rush, and ten million American morons rush to repeat it on Twitter and Facebook.

This country is so fucking stupid, we deserve whatever we get.

I'm starting to think that "re-education camps" wouldn't be such a bad thing. Perhaps if we just paid for them to be put up in a nice hotel in Florida or Hawaii for a week or so while giving them an 1 hour lecture series per day with an unlimited Q and A session afterwards based on actual American history rather than the one they have made up in their own minds.

You pass a extremely simple, maybe 20 question, test at the end dealing with the constitution and the bill of rights and you get to go home. If not you stay on vacation all reasonable expenses paid for another week and get a tutor to try to help you over your inability to accept reality.

/Fascism, who says it always has to be a bad thing? :p

522 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:08:03pm

re: #519 tradewind

Don't give coven's a bad name.

523 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:08:17pm

re: #519 tradewind

It's a cult.

524 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:09:26pm

re: #521 ausador

I'm starting to think that "re-education camps" wouldn't be such a bad thing.

In this case, the proper place to start would be "education" camps.

525 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:09:56pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops

3 Years working at Pearl Harbor changes a man..
PINEAPPLE ON PIZZA ROCKS!
/So there

Pineapple on pizza. Sure. Just like they do in Hawai'i. With their socialised medicine and their liberal beaches.

And you know who else came from Hawai'i.

That's right.

(Wait... is that the right talking point?)

526 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:10:16pm

re: #524 Slumbering Behemoth

In this case, the proper place to start would be "education" camps.

we used to call them schools...

527 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:10:25pm

re: #411 zora

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Steele: African-Americans 'Really Don't Have A Reason' To Vote GOP

Steele said how the Republican party had been founded as a pro-civil rights party, with Frederick Douglass among its early members. However, Steele explained, the Republican Party has alienated those voters: "For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, 'Bubba' went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton."

let's see who he apologizes to for this one. rush? hannity?

Great catch!

528 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:10:52pm

re: #522 Dreggas

Don't give coven's a bad name.

Seriously. They do just fine on their own.

529 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:11:16pm

re: #521 ausador

If they were put in a place with no access to FOX News, no access to RW talk Radio and no access to RW blogs for a week (in other words made to break out of their coccoon) the pure shock to their system from learning that almost everything said by the above sources is wrong might send them over the edge. The real risk is that, much as they do now, they would become even more zealous in coccoon building and wind up even more delusional.

530 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:11:32pm

re: #444 tradewind

I don't see how he could know that, and wouldn't put any stock in what Limbaugh had to say re economics in any case, but the fact remains that McCain would most likely be president had the markets not tanked.

In what world do you live in?

You seriously think it was the economy and not 8 years of Bush that got Obama elected?

531 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:11:43pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elizajane? Here's the exact quote.

From Rush's transcripts...

He benefited from his party and the media ratcheting up a level of hate against George W. Bush that we couldn't understand, a level of hate for the US military, a level of hate for the US economy. I play golf with a bunch of Democrats. One of them is a good friend of mine, a very smart guy. He hated Bush with a purple passion but couldn't tell me why. "It can't get any worse, Rush! It can't get any worse than what it is!" You want to bet it can't get any worse? It has proceeded to get worse. Do you think that Obama depended on policy to reveal the sealed divorce papers of his Republican opponent for his Senate run? He didn't. He didn't depend on policy when his henchmen tanked the markets in September 2008. Do you think he was running on policy then?

Disgraceful and, worse, not very logical at all. If I were the kind of diabolical character who had the power to tank Wall Street, I certainly would not use it to put Obama in the White House. I would use it to make a killing by selling short, then get McCain elected so I could have a friendlier business environment in which to invest the loot.

532 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:11:45pm

re: #511 Shiplord Kirel

Once again, atheist scoffers, we present evidence that demons are real and they walk the Earth:

Infamous church group coming to Atlanta for protests

A question though: How is this group "controversial" when everyone from the Quakers to the KKK agree that they are a useless waste of oxygen?

Worse than that -- the church that Rifka Bary "fled to" (or was "bary-napped to) supported the Phelps clan in Gainesville FL, where one of the protest stops included a Synagogue. Wonder how Crazy Pam feels about supporting these miscreants now?
[Link: www.alligator.org...]

533 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:13:08pm

re: #528 Slumbering Behemoth

As a pagan I resent that. I know plenty of people who are wiccan and in covens and they are decent people.

534 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:13:13pm

re: #525 Renaissance_Man

Pineapple on pizza. Sure. Just like they do in Hawai'i. With their socialised medicine and their liberal beaches.

And you know who else came from Hawai'i.

That's right.

(Wait... is that the right talking point?)

Living and working at Pearl Harbor was the most most in my life....
Love the food and folks there..Corn soup also rocks...And guess what? They have the best coffee in the world!

535 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:14:35pm

re: #534 HoosierHoops

Living and working at Pearl Harbor was the most most Fun in my life...
Love the food and folks there..Corn soup also rocks...And guess what? They have the best coffee in the world!


/Lawdy

536 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:14:38pm

re: #450 palomino

I disagree. Pizza's raison d'etre is warm, gooey cheese. Here in Cali, the cheeseless pizza is popular. I find it an abomination, an utter perversion of Italian-American gastronomical arts. I would favor banning it.

My eyes are playing tricks on me. I read that as "gastronomical farts".

That doesn't say much about the placement of my head.

537 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:14:57pm

re: #532 Thanos

It will be ignored, just like the rest of conflicting reality. I swear, willful ignorance is like a gawt-damned super-power with some folks.

538 palomino  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:15:42pm

re: #527 LudwigVanQuixote

Ken Mehlman actually said something similar 5 years ago when he was head of RNC. (Of course he was less blunt, more tactful than Steele). Everyone pretty much ignored him at the time, and probably will try to do the same this time.

Most of the GOP doesn't want to deal with this issue, but bomb throwers like Limbaugh may see a lot of material here.

539 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:16:37pm

re: #533 Dreggas

"Welcome to the local abusement park. We are an equal opportunity annoyer".

540 palomino  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:16:41pm

re: #536 b_sharp

My eyes are playing tricks on me. I read that as "gastronomical farts".

That doesn't say much about the placement of my head.

Your head is rotated one F too far to the left.

541 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:18:04pm

It’s Official! Freedom Watch Coming To TV!

After a little more than a year in existence Freedom Watch with Judge Andrew Napolitano will be making the switch to television. We just received official word that this is happening.

The new show will air during a weekend prime time spot on the Fox Business Network. The exact debut date/time are not known at this time.

542 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:18:08pm

re: #535 HoosierHoops

/Lawdy

Ahhh A good Kona is very hard to beat. I just made myself and iced latte with two shots of Kona espresso. It's like liquid sex.

As to the typos and editing errors, I once again thank all good lizards for putting up with my atrocious typing and on the fly errors with the spell checker. I try to get the idea out quickly enough to be in the conversation. Well bad things can happen. I promise to never ever look askance at another's typing skills given my own.

543 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:19:25pm

re: #538 palomino

Ken Mehlman actually said something similar 5 years ago when he was head of RNC. (Of course he was less blunt, more tactful than Steele). Everyone pretty much ignored him at the time, and probably will try to do the same this time.

Most of the GOP doesn't want to deal with this issue, but bomb throwers like Limbaugh may see a lot of material here.

Bomb throwers like Rush "the sausage" Limbaugh are some of the main reasons no self respecting Black person could possibly vote GOP.

I would say the same for Gay folks and Jews as well.

544 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:19:48pm

re: #539 Slumbering Behemoth

ROFLMAO

Beatings and lamentations to you too.

545 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:20:28pm

re: #543 LudwigVanQuixote

Bomb throwers like Rush "the sausage" Limbaugh are some of the main reasons no self respecting Black person could possibly vote GOP.

I would say the same for Gay folks and Jews as well.

please do not presume to speak for me...

546 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:20:44pm

re: #543 LudwigVanQuixote

Bomb throwers like Rush "the sausage" Limbaugh are some of the main reasons no self respecting Black person could possibly vote GOP.

I would say the same for Gay folks and Jews and latinos and women and atheists and........... as well.


fify

547 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:20:53pm

re: #540 palomino

Your head is rotated one F too far to the left.

Abso-fartin-tootly.

548 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:21:43pm

re: #541 Killgore Trout

I hope he has Jones on frequently. That may just be the kind of "shocker" needed to wake people up to the kind of crap Fox is promoting.

Then again, that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.

550 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:23:12pm

re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote

Kona coffee is costing me about 20 bucks a lb. I'm sure some day it will be more expensive than drugs.. Just like Cuban Cigars...

551 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:24:23pm

re: #549 Killgore Trout

blocked - no space on the innernetz

552 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:24:47pm

re: #545 brookly red

re: #543 LudwigVanQuixote

Bomb throwers like Rush "the sausage" Limbaugh are some of the main reasons no self respecting Black person could possibly vote GOP.

I would say the same for Gay folks and Jews as well.


please do not presume to speak for me...

There was a conditional in there. :-O

553 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:25:35pm

re: #552 b_sharp

There was a conditional in there. :-O

yes self respecting... now go fuck your self. :)

554 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:26:15pm

re: #487 Dark_Falcon

Looks pretty good. I'd hand it over to avanti to put through its paces before giving the final A-OK.

it' on the same platform as the sedan, which is the fastest production sedan around the Nurburgring. 8-)

555 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:26:44pm

re: #553 brookly red

yes self respecting... now go fuck your self. :)

No need. I gots a wife.

556 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:26:50pm

re: #548 Slumbering Behemoth

I hope he has Jones on frequently. That may just be the kind of "shocker" needed to wake people up to the kind of crap Fox is promoting.

Then again, that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.

I'm afraid it is wishful thinking. Drudge has been linking infowars for months now and nobody complained. Just has linked to him a few times and nobody complained. Not enough people on the right care anymore. They are more afraid of the New World Order and secret communist plots. Alex is on their side now. Jonnah Goldberg wrote an article today about how the Tea Parties are now openly anti-Bush (they have been for a while). Bush is now considered an evil progressive by the Tea Party/Fox news people. They've gone to the dark side.

557 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:26:57pm

All this food talk!

36 people have voted on how to distribute cookbook proceeds once it goes on sale.

If you haven't voted, please visit the cookbook blog and vote.

If you want to vote for Ron Paul, that option isn't there. But two other options are available for your consideration!

Thank you!

558 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:27:45pm

re: #555 b_sharp

No need. I gots a wife.

not much of a come back...

559 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:27:59pm
560 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:28:20pm

re: #553 brookly red

I don't see why you're so upset, you're a registered democrat. It's not like you'd be all that motivated to vote GOP any how.

561 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:28:22pm

re: #557 reine.de.tout

Ron Paul!

562 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:29:47pm

re: #558 brookly red

not much of a come back...

My wife seems to like it.

563 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:29:55pm

re: #560 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't see why you're so upset, you're a registered democrat. It's not like you'd be all that motivated to vote GOP any how.

like this, I hate to see other people presume to speak for me... I am funny like that.

564 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:30:16pm

re: #558 brookly red

not much of a come back...

Heck even Tiger can rock that vote..I got a wife
And 15 mistresses you bitches...And you don't know half the story...
Wait till you hit 36..she was a bad bad girl....

565 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:30:34pm

re: #562 b_sharp

My wife seems to like it.

then what are you doing here?

566 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:31:13pm

re: #559 Killgore Trout

Ooops, sorry...
Beck says "one insane leader" will lead to "death camps" in America

Every day, the crazy nob gets pushed just a little higher. Every day.

567 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:32:55pm

re: #541 Killgore Trout

It’s Official! Freedom Watch Coming To TV!

So Fox is going to race the far right to the edge of the cliff? Gee, I wonder which one is going to go over the edge first? (Of course I'm also wondering how many more acts of "political" violence FOX is going to have to deny they had anything to do with advocateing in the next couple of years too.)

568 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:33:01pm

re: #557 reine.de.tout

All this food talk!

36 people have voted on how to distribute cookbook proceeds once it goes on sale.

If you haven't voted, please visit the cookbook blog and vote.

If you want to vote for Ron Paul, that option isn't there. But two other options are available for your consideration!

Thank you!

Is there a Kindle version yet?

569 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:33:58pm

re: #559 Killgore Trout

Ooops, sorry...
Beck says "one insane leader" will lead to "death camps" in America

Good thing Beck's not running for Supreme Leader, then.

It cracks me up that as soon as the opposition party occupies the oval office, suddenly all the checks and balances magically disappear and the position of POTUS becomes an all-powerful, dictatorial seat.

570 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:34:40pm

re: #563 brookly red

like this, I hate to see other people presume to speak for me... I am funny like that.

Yeah, I'm not seeing that.

571 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:35:09pm

re: #559 Killgore Trout

Ooops, sorry...
Beck says "one insane leader" will lead to "death camps" in America

Such an intriguing mental exercise. I wonder if he has a leader in mind. Surely not. It's important to ask these questions, after all.

...

What. The. Fuck.

Since when is 'active promotion of civil war' a valid mission statement for a media organisation?

572 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:35:54pm

re: #570 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, I'm not seeing that.

it is what it is...

573 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:36:49pm

re: #571 Renaissance_Man

since a democrat won the presidency

574 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:37:05pm

re: #563 brookly red

like this, I hate to see other people presume to speak for me... I am funny like that.

I couldn't decide between condescending:

That's OK, we all have our foibles.

Or sarcastic:

Poor baby.

and finally settled on blunt:

LVQ was just opining and you over reacted.

575 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:37:25pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw Oceans last night. A remarkable and beautiful movie, I highly recommend it for everyone.

576 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:37:32pm

re: #111 Romantic Heretic

Shoot. A fella could have a pretty good weekend in VegasDallas with this.

Fixed for lipreaders.

577 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:37:45pm

re: #565 brookly red

then what are you doing here?

Bugging you.

578 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:37:53pm

re: #568 Thanos

Is there a Kindle version yet?

No.
Hmmmmmmm . . . how does one get a book onto kindle? I suspect Amazon won't do it for a book that is expected to have low sales.

579 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:38:26pm

re: #574 b_sharp

I couldn't decide between condescending:

That's OK, we all have our foibles.

Or sarcastic:

Poor baby.

and finally settled on blunt:

LVQ was just opining and you over reacted.

yes I know, disagreeing with you is overreacting... I am sorry my bad.

580 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:38:28pm

re: #571 Renaissance_Man

Since when is 'active promotion of civil war' a valid mission statement for a media organisation?

Fox news is a whole new animal. Dan Rather's fake memo pales is comparison to what happens every day on Fox.

581 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:39:28pm

re: #577 b_sharp

Bugging you.

which is really what you are all about... the wife is always the last to know.

582 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:40:47pm

re: #534 HoosierHoops

Living and working at Pearl Harbor was the most most in my life...
Love the food and folks there..Corn soup also rocks...And guess what? They have the best coffee in the world!

So here is my funniest Navy related story.

I was very heavily recruited to be a NUPOC. The Navy flew me down to Kings Bay to tour the base, hang out on submarines etc... I had already passed a large number of interviews and it was glorious. This is a few more years ago than I want to admit.

One night, All of the NUPOCs were taken by our various recruiting officers and attached "tour guides" who were all lieutenants that we could pretty much ask whatever we wanted, to a sports bar near the base.

I quickly split off from the crowd and worked my way into a pool game with several attractive nurses. I think they were nurses. They were certainly female and medical.

The other NUPOCS hung out together and found a machine. The machine had this great big red padded lever arm on it that you were supposed to hit. It gave you some rating for how hard you hit it. 62, 71, whatever, no units, and on the screen some tough looking fellow looked like he took a hit.

To advance to the next stage, you needed to get over 100. $0.50 for three tries. So they are having a great time bashing this, and they call me over and say I have to try. I commented that I was busy playing pool with women. The women asked if I was being a wuss.

FINE.

I asked what the high score was. They said something like 67.

NP. I was a newly minted black-belt. I was in very good shape.

So I square off, put in my 50 cents and hit the pad hard. 97! and then I got some more in the 90's. I felt that this would establish my manhood sufficiently to go back to the ladies, and I turned around only to stare the marine in the nipple.

Now I say the marine, because it is possible that the other ones are sort of for mop up. I say stare in the nipple because he was well over 6'6" and easily 300 lbs - all muscle. In the book of Daniel, there is a burning hand that scribes mene mene teckle on the wall. His voice would be the voice attached to that hand. He said, in the sort of cataclysmic subterranean voice that only a very large black man can have "I bet $5 you don't get that over 100." I imagined him going home and his wife asking "what is that smell?" He would lift his boot and say, "It looks like I stepped in some white boy."

All eyes seemed to be on me, so I took the bet.

My first shot was 98!

My second was 87?!?! (arm getting tired.)

Either he was laughing, or it was the sound of him snacking on a small Japanese car.

I turned and asked, Five bucks I don't get it over 100 is the bet right?

Yes, that is the bet, he intoned.

I did my best spinning back kick. 132!

I collected my five bucks.

I had the problem of course that I needed to allow the marine to save face. He looked at me and said "that is not what I had in mind."

What did you have in mind?

He put 50 cents in to the machine, and with a casual, contemptuous whap, hit 168.

I said that was a show worth five bucks and asked to buy him a beer. He said I waas ok and gave me a manly pat on the back and I had some beers with him and his buddies. I still have an imprint.

583 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:40:53pm

re: #557 reine.de.tout

All this food talk!

36 people have voted on how to distribute cookbook proceeds once it goes on sale.

If you haven't voted, please visit the cookbook blog and vote.

If you want to vote for Ron Paul, that option isn't there. But two other options are available for your consideration!

Thank you!

Any recipe I happen to post is free for anyone to use obviously, after all anyone can see it right?
I have no opinion on your cookbook proceeds, why should I have, seems like your own morality and conscience would dictate what was equatable and right, not a web poll. ;)

(what am I missing here?)

584 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:40:57pm

Corker depressed over financial reform

Probably because he knows damn well that opposing it is political suicide and he'd much rather be able to stop Obama rather than do what's right.

585 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:41:20pm

re: #581 brookly red

which is really what you are all about... the wife is always the last to know.

OH my bad! I thought you said buggering... my bad.

586 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:41:34pm

re: #581 brookly red

which is really what you are all about... the wife is always the last to know.

Ooo, that was a good one.

You win.

587 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:41:39pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

Fox news is a whole new animal. Dan Rather's fake memo pales is comparison to what happens every day on Fox.

Fox News, the Lupus of news organizations!

588 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:41:56pm

re: #578 reine.de.tout

No.
Hmmm . . . how does one get a book onto kindle? I suspect Amazon won't do it for a book that is expected to have low sales.

There's a way to self publish, first step is to convert to PDF file.
[Link: dtp.amazon.com...]

589 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:41:56pm

re: #550 HoosierHoops

Kona coffee is costing me about 20 bucks a lb. I'm sure some day it will be more expensive than drugs.. Just like Cuban Cigars...

Lol it is a drug. If the religious right knew how good it is, they would try to outlaw it.

590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:42:14pm

re: #575 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I watch Planet Earth, Sunrise Earth, Life After People, Blue Planet...

Hell if I'm going to pay for it, when I can pay to watch absolute, complete and total mayhem!

591 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:42:52pm

re: #586 b_sharp

Ooo, that was a good one.

You win.

no I apologize big time... I thought you said buggering... my bad. for the record my bad.

592 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:42:58pm

More birtherism at the Tancredo tea party

Jerome Corsi speaking at the Greenville Tea Party on 17APR10

593 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:43:21pm

re: #578 reine.de.tout

No.
Hmmm . . . how does one get a book onto kindle? I suspect Amazon won't do it for a book that is expected to have low sales.

They most likely would if you are willing to accept very scanty renumeration for your proceeds from the sales.

Just saying.

594 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:43:38pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

I wish I could disagree with you. Perhaps they'll get caught in an attempted national election throwing lie. More wishful thinking on my part.

595 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:44:57pm

re: #582 LudwigVanQuixote

Well told.

You had drinks with John Coffey.

596 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:45:07pm

re: #592 Killgore Trout

More birtherism at the Tancredo tea party

Jerome Corsi speaking at the Greenville Tea Party on 17APR10

[Video]

Well Surprise Surprise.....

597 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:45:17pm

re: #583 ausador

(what am I missing here?)

The cookbook is a group effort, so she's looking for some input from the group. Does that help?

598 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:46:48pm
the fact remains that McCain would most likely be president had the markets not tanked.

Sarah Palin

599 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:47:03pm

re: #591 brookly red

no I apologize big time... I thought you said buggering... my bad. for the record my bad.

It was still a damn good, quick witted retort.

600 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:47:13pm

re: #590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I watch Planet Earth, Sunrise Earth, Life After People, Blue Planet...

Hell if I'm going to pay for it, when I can pay to watch absolute, complete and total mayhem!

Fortunately, my admission was free courtesy of Disney...

And there was some total mayhem as well. Wait till you see the shrimp versus the crab, you won't believe it.

601 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:47:21pm

re: #595 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well told.

You had drinks with John Coffey.

Yes that is about right. He was of course, a great guy.

602 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:47:41pm

re: #599 b_sharp

It was still a damn good, quick witted retort.

OK, peace in the valley.

603 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:48:45pm

re: #594 Slumbering Behemoth

I wish I could disagree with you. Perhaps they'll get caught in an attempted national election throwing lie. More wishful thinking on my part.

Actually all those horribly "outdated and archaic" Sedition laws are still on the books even though they are never used anymore. Of course if the shit FOX is selling actually starts to bear fruit and results in widespread violence that could all change, very quickly, couldn't it?

604 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:48:56pm

re: #444 tradewind

I don't see how he could know that, and wouldn't put any stock in what Limbaugh had to say re economics in any case, but the fact remains that McCain would most likely be president had the markets not tanked.

For the market not to have tanked then George Bush would have had to not have been President. For him not to have been President we would have most likely been coming off of eight years of President Gore... and I don't quite know what that means to be honest....

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:49:02pm

Kilgore? You seen this?

Value Added Tax is still on the table, sayeth President Obama.

606 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:49:22pm

re: #594 Slumbering Behemoth

I wish I could disagree with you. Perhaps they'll get caught in an attempted national election throwing lie. More wishful thinking on my part.

Thing is, they can be caught in lies every day. Lies, hyperbole, fabrication of news. None of that matters. They could get caught in a monstrous lie that makes Rathergate look like an editorial error tomorrow, and they wouldn't lose a single viewer.

This is because the Conservative movement is now a cult. And you can't 'prove' the cult worldview wrong to a cultist. All external sources of information are part of the conspiracy against you, and thus full of lies. That's what daily accusations of left-wing media bias and endless repetitions of 'Fair and Balanced' get you - a devoted following that will swallow anything you say, and you can never be proved wrong. It works for Rush, it works for Glenn, it works for Fox. Red Facts and Blue Facts. Never the twain shall meet.

607 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:50:28pm

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kilgore? You seen this?

Value Added Tax is still on the table, sayeth President Obama.

well without sniping, you gotta have money to spend it.

608 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:50:40pm

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kilgore? You seen this?

Value Added Tax is still on the table, sayeth President Obama.

And so is diplomatically meeting to terrorists but that doesn't mean that it's the choice he's going to go with....

609 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:52:03pm

re: #595 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well told.

You had drinks with John Coffey.

and thanks to the manly back-pat, he will now live to be 137 years old...

610 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:52:24pm

re: #582 LudwigVanQuixote

That's a great story Ludwig...
One night I stopped by the Club at Mare Island...I happen to be wearing a wicked UK red T shirt...I was sitting at the bar with some Marines.. One was a really large man that fell in love with my shirt..
*I'm deploying to the UK in the morning*
Cool...
*I want your T-Shirt*
You are not getting it..
*Yes I am...Before this night is over..I'll have your shirt..You'll have mine*
No way..
*Yes I will*
2 hours later that dude walked out of the Club with my T-shirt on...His buddies thought it was funny we stripped down to exchange shirts...But Ludwig..Nobody would fuck with that Marine in a Bar over a UK T-shirt...
Trust me on this...He was huge!

611 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:52:26pm

re: #557 reine.de.tout

All this food talk!

36 people have voted on how to distribute cookbook proceeds once it goes on sale.

If you haven't voted, please visit the cookbook blog and vote.

If you want to vote for Ron Paul, that option isn't there. But two other options are available for your consideration!

Thank you!

Voted!

612 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:53:20pm

re: #608 jamesfirecat

And so is diplomatically meeting to terrorists but that doesn't mean that it's the choice he's going to go with...

well maybe not. so you owe money, how do you pay? I guess by raising money, any other ideas?

613 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:53:31pm

re: #610 HoosierHoops

That's a great story Ludwig...
One night I stopped by the Club at Mare Island...I happen to be wearing a wicked UK red T shirt...I was sitting at the bar with some Marines.. One was a really large man that fell in love with my shirt..
*I'm deploying to the UK in the morning*
Cool...
*I want your T-Shirt*
You are not getting it..
*Yes I am...Before this night is over..I'll have your shirt..You'll have mine*
No way..
*Yes I will*
2 hours later that dude walked out of the Club with my T-shirt on...His buddies thought it was funny we stripped down to exchange shirts...But Ludwig..Nobody would fuck with that Marine in a Bar over a UK T-shirt...
Trust me on this...He was huge!

I trust you! Some things are not worth dying for.

614 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:54:58pm

re: #606 Renaissance_Man

This is because the Conservative movement reactionary right is now a cult.

Just sayin'.

615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:55:15pm

re: #609 negativ

and thanks to the manly back-pat, he will now live to be 137 years old...

NICE!

616 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:55:22pm

re: #592 Killgore Trout

More birtherism at the Tancredo tea party

Jerome Corsi speaking at the Greenville Tea Party on 17APR10

[Video]

I don't really need to hear anymore of "The Song of the Loons". Corsi, Tancredo, Limbaugh and Beck should all be placed in a giant tin labeled "Mixed Nuts".

617 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:56:46pm

re: #612 brookly red

well maybe not. so you owe money, how do you pay? I guess by raising money, any other ideas?

Tax the rich!

Everyone gets upset over a VAT which taxes everyone evenly and the poor don't have any money to tax, the middle class and small jobs is the heart and soul of America or so everyone keeps telling me, so all that leaves at the people at the top. Lets tax the rich!

I mean there are only four options aren't there?

1: Tax everyone.
2: Tax the poor
3: Tax the middle class.
4: Tax the rich.

Or do you know of some other way of breaking this down?

618 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:56:57pm

re: #606 Renaissance_Man

Thing is, they can be caught in lies every day. Lies, hyperbole, fabrication of news. None of that matters. They could get caught in a monstrous lie that makes Rathergate look like an editorial error tomorrow, and they wouldn't lose a single viewer.

This is because the Conservative movement is now a cult. And you can't 'prove' the cult worldview wrong to a cultist. All external sources of information are part of the conspiracy against you, and thus full of lies. That's what daily accusations of left-wing media bias and endless repetitions of 'Fair and Balanced' get you - a devoted following that will swallow anything you say, and you can never be proved wrong. It works for Rush, it works for Glenn, it works for Fox. Red Facts and Blue Facts. Never the twain shall meet.

Well, they are of course are aiming for outcome perhaps, but except for a few loons I don't think they have succeeded.

After all only 3% of Americans watch Fox regularly and half of them are liberals tuning in to be horrified or find a laugh. Fox is fun to laugh at, and an easy patsy for spreading lies and disinformation as they do, but you can't exactly blame the entire downfall of equitable political discourse on them alone.

619 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:57:25pm

well I hate to step backwards but it's time to get the pizza...

620 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:57:44pm

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kilgore? You seen this?

Value Added Tax is still on the table, sayeth President Obama.

Funny how if you read past the headline, the story actually says:

"I know that there's been a lot of talk around town lately about the value-added tax. That is something that has worked for some countries. It's something that would be novel for the United States."

"And before, you know, I start saying 'this makes sense or that makes sense,' I want to get a better picture of what our options are," Obama said.
He said his first priority "is to figure out how can we reduce wasteful spending so that, you know, we have a baseline of the core services that we need and the government should provide. And then we decide how do we pay for that."

I guess the headline is technically accurate, but it sounds pretty non-committal to me.

621 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:57:46pm

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Before deciding what revenue options are best for dealing with the deficit and the economy, Obama said in an interview with CNBC, "I want to get a better picture of what our options are."

Despite what the article implies I see no indication that he was asked about VAT now did his answer indicate he was talking about VAT.

For days, White House spokesmen have said the president has not proposed and is not considering a VAT.

"I think I directly answered this the other day by saying that it wasn't something that the president had under consideration," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters shortly before Obama spoke with CNBC.

After the interview, White House deputy communications director Jen Psaki said nothing has changed and the White House is "not considering" a VAT.

Obama seems to be considering various ideas. VAT is not one of them.

622 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:58:00pm

re: #617 jamesfirecat

Tax the rich!

Everyone gets upset over a VAT which taxes everyone evenly and the poor don't have any money to tax, the middle class and small jobs is the heart and soul of America or so everyone keeps telling me, so all that leaves at the people at the top. Lets tax the rich!

I mean there are only four options aren't there?

1: Tax everyone.
2: Tax the poor
3: Tax the middle class.
4: Tax the rich.

Or do you know of some other way of breaking this down?

spend less... oh the horror!

623 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:58:02pm

re: #617 jamesfirecat

There's always 'don't tax anybody and just live off of debt.' Its worked for 3 of the previous 4 administrations!!

624 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:58:03pm

re: #619 brookly red

well I hate to step backwards but it's time to get the pizza...

Best reason for ending a debate, ever...

625 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:58:44pm

re: #614 Slumbering Behemoth

Just sayin'.

I capitalise Conservative deliberately to separate it from conservative ideas and people. Unfortunately, 'Conservative' is the label they have taken on, and they are what the term is associated with now.

626 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:59:07pm

re: #622 brookly red

spend less... oh the horror!

Okay then, what should we cut spending in?

I say we cut spending in the military since at the moment the US is dishing out insane amounts of money for certain do dads that we're never going to end up using....

627 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:59:26pm

re: #624 jamesfirecat

Best reason for ending a debate, ever...

anchovies... another debate for an other time ;)

628 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:00:02pm

re: #607 brookly red

well without sniping, you gotta have money to spend it.


Do they serve crumpets at these tea parties I have been hearing so much about?

Last week I wrote a check (actually an electronic withrawal) to the IRS for $3,276.88. This was because I had the odasity to have the first really good year in sales in a decade or three.

Now this?

Fuck this shit!

I'll take two lumps please. And one of those little toasts with jam too!

629 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:00:10pm

re: #622 brookly red

Who does that? Its certainly not any of the major parties >>

630 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:00:20pm

re: #626 jamesfirecat

Okay then, what should we cut spending in?

I say we cut spending in the military since at the moment the US is dishing out insane amounts of money for certain do dads that we're never going to end up using...

cool... & I raise you 10% across the board.

631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:00:47pm

re: #620 negativ

The point is that it is conversation. Might be a red herring.

I did read the whole thing and saw that. I don't think it will really fly.

632 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:00:56pm

re: #621 Killgore Trout

Obama seems to be considering various ideas. VAT is not one of them.

that is not what he said.

633 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:01:38pm

re: #629 windsagio

Who does that? Its certainly not any of the major parties >>

true... toss em all. now don't make me eat cold pizza cause it will make me pissy.

634 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:01:41pm

re: #632 The Shadow Do

that is not what he said.

Did I miss something. Where's the quote where he mentions VAT?

635 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:01:43pm

re: #618 ausador

Fox is fun to laugh at, and an easy patsy for spreading lies and disinformation as they do, but you can't exactly blame the entire downfall of equitable political discourse on them alone.

Assuming there was ever such a thing in the first place.

Cato will surely know more about this story than I, but I seem to recall hearing about a Roman senator who had his head and hands cut off and placed on the podium from which he would normally speak.

636 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:02:12pm

re: #633 brookly red

Go if you want man, I'm sure we'll be able to argue quite well without you :D

637 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:03:44pm

re: #630 brookly red

cool... & I raise you 10% across the board.

Haven't we already been over this one?

A 10% cut across the board is a stupid idea when you could instead find what doesn't work, cut the funding to that, while you keep funding what does work.

But since you've evidently got a fetish for lower government spending without a care for making sure it doesn't harm our economy/country worse than the government debt does go right ahead and give the easy answer.

638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:04:41pm

re: #634 Killgore Trout

I just read it again. He doesn't, other than answering "it would be novel in the US".

Fuck... I even fell for a bullshit headline.

639 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:04:53pm

In the CNBC interview, Obama said he was waiting for recommendations from

a bipartisan fiscal advisory commission on ways to tackle the deficit and other problems.

When asked if he could see a potential VAT in this nation, the president said: "I know that there's been a lot of talk around town lately about the value-added tax. That is something that has worked for some countries. It's something that would be novel for the United States."

"And before, you know, I start saying 'this makes sense or that makes sense,' I want to get a better picture of what our options are," Obama said.

Hardly dismissive of the idea. This is a trial balloon. Takes some real nads to even float it.

640 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:05:45pm

re: #634 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. Further down in the article....

When asked if he could see a potential VAT in this nation, the president said: "I know that there's been a lot of talk around town lately about the value-added tax. That is something that has worked for some countries. It's something that would be novel for the United States."

"And before, you know, I start saying 'this makes sense or that makes sense,' I want to get a better picture of what our options are," Obama said.

If he actually proposes it I'll be outraged along with the rest of you. I don't think there's much chance he'll propose it and I don't think there's much chance it would pass. There are much more realistic things to worry about.

641 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:06:17pm

re: #625 Renaissance_Man

I capitalise Conservative deliberately to separate it from conservative ideas and people. Unfortunately, 'Conservative' is the label they have taken on, and they are what the term is associated with now.

I know, it's sad. I mean, I could draw exhaust ports on my ass and call myself a space cruiser and no one would believe me. Why do folks believe these far right reactionaries when they call themselves conservatives? Or the far left wack jobs that call themselves liberals, for that matter?

642 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:06:35pm

re: #622 brookly red

spend less... oh the horror!

Now if only republicans actually spent less than Dems. One of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the American people was convincing people that the GOP were somehow the fiscally responsible ones. They burn money and bloat pork actually worse than the Dems and have since the Nixon administration. The numbers simply back that up.

They just spend it on corporate welfare rather than citizen entitlements.

643 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:07:07pm

re: #642 LudwigVanQuixote

That's what I'm sayin'!

644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:07:23pm

re: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

Everybody's a "space cruiser" on the internet.

645 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:07:39pm

re: #638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just read it again. He doesn't, other than answering "it would be novel in the US".

Fuck... I even fell for a bullshit headline.

Yeah, it was a sneaky article. The actual quote was buried at the bottom of the article and the author's speculation was up top. This is the kind of crap they write because a million wingnut blogs are going to give them traffic.

646 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:08:28pm

re: #592 Killgore Trout

More birtherism at the Tancredo tea party

Jerome Corsi speaking at the Greenville Tea Party on 17APR10

[Video]

I wonder what the Tea Party people would say if they knew Corsi is a 9/11 Truther.

Warning: Alex Jones content

"Rank and file" Truthers generally show up around Alex Jones like Remora (those scavenger fish that follow sharks around everywhere), and Luap Nor has been a favorite figurehead in the Truth Movement {vomit} since forever. Hmm.

647 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:09:24pm

re: #642 LudwigVanQuixote

Now if only republicans actually spent less than Dems. One of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the American people was convincing people that the GOP were somehow the fiscally responsible ones. They burn money and bloat pork actually worse than the Dems and have since the Nixon administration. The numbers simply back that up.

They just spend it on corporate welfare rather than citizen entitlements.

The real problem is there is not a real constituency for cutting spending. Spending cuts are painful, and Congress does not want to directly inflict pain, for fear of losing votes. They rather try to buy popularity.

648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:09:43pm

re: #645 Killgore Trout

I'm wouldn't have read it without the "clever" (misleading) headline.

Kilgore, speaking of misleading headlines?

Hit Drudge, right now...

649 compound idaho  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:09:51pm

re: #628 The Shadow Do

Do they serve crumpets at these tea parties I have been hearing so much about?

Last week I wrote a check (actually an electronic withrawal) to the IRS for $3,276.88. This was because I had the odasity to have the first really good year in sales in a decade or three.

Now this?


Fuck this shit!

I'll take two lumps please. And one of those little toasts with jam too!

I know I've had a good year when I have to borrow money to pay my taxes
I laugh, but I am not kidding

650 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:11:24pm

re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ha! Honestly, I think were probably down to something like ten or fifteen real conservatives and liberals in this country, and everyone else just likes using the labels 'cuz they sound cool.
/

651 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:12:31pm

re: #618 ausador

Well, they are of course are aiming for outcome perhaps, but except for a few loons I don't think they have succeeded.

After all only 3% of Americans watch Fox regularly and half of them are liberals tuning in to be horrified or find a laugh. Fox is fun to laugh at, and an easy patsy for spreading lies and disinformation as they do, but you can't exactly blame the entire downfall of equitable political discourse on them alone.

I don't blame FOX for lowbrow political speech - that has existed since time immemorial. I do, however, blame the Conservative media for the creation of a fabricated worldview that their adherents can live in, yet still vote in the real world. I do blame the FOX media model for creating a media environment where actual news organisations feel obliged to present their fabrications as 'just one side of a story', to be weighed equally with non-fabricated news (otherwise known as facts).

What I don't know is how widespread the Conservative cult really is. I hope it is as you say, and is just a tiny, angry segment of the electorate. I fear, however, that the more its fake facts are allowed to disseminate, the more the overall electorate will become poisoned.

652 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:13:18pm

re: #650 Slumbering Behemoth

Ha! Honestly, I think were probably down to something like ten or fifteen real conservatives and liberals in this country, and everyone else just likes using the labels 'cuz they sound cool.
/

Hey, there are still real liberals in the country!

653 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:13:48pm

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kilgore? You seen this?

Value Added Tax is still on the table, sayeth President Obama.

Yeah, and?

So deficits are a bad bad thing and that is why we need to cut taxes and decrease the federal governments income more?

Face it, the government has to spend 88 cents out of every dollar exactly how they do, there is nothing to cut there. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the interest payments on our debt, and unemployment insurance are eating us alive. $1.4 billion in deficit spending this year just for those.

The other 12 cents is the only money that government chooses how to spend and more than half of that goes to the military budget for gods sake! The Tea partiers have absolutely no clue what the fuck they are talking about, none at all.

Many people seem convinced that somehow we can simply cut federal spending and repay the debt. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE! Tax increases are absolutely necessary and the sooner we bite the bullet and start ponying up the less our kids will have to pay. It is either pay more in income tax or as a value added tax or abolish medicare/medicaid, it is either one or the other, it is as simple as that.

654 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:14:33pm

re: #649 compound idaho

Amen, compadre.

I fell into the bottom % of folks who hit the big boy bracket. Net result was that the bonus check (I had not seen one in two years prior) was hit to the tune of over 60% in taxes.

It would be nice for the Lizards who are among the 49% who receive of my generosity to say thanks, but I ain't holdin my breath for it.

If you think government is right on track you are a political zealot or an uninvested participant.

And a real pisser.

655 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:15:22pm

re: #646 negativ

I wonder what the Tea Party people would say if they knew Corsi is a 9/11 Truther.

Warning: Alex Jones content


[Video]"Rank and file" Truthers generally show up around Alex Jones like Remora (those scavenger fish that follow sharks around everywhere), and Luap Nor has been a favorite figurehead in the Truth Movement {vomit} since forever. Hmm.

Heh. Not surprised. The Tea Party folks don't care. There's still some residual resistance to the 9-11 truth thing but the Tea Party folks are willing to ge wherever they're led.

656 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:15:25pm

GM's CEO just headlined an ad on Fox News which lead off by announcing that GM had paid the government back.

657 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:16:14pm

re: #653 ausador

Yeah, and?

So deficits are a bad bad thing and that is why we need to cut taxes and decrease the federal governments income more?

Face it, the government has to spend 88 cents out of every dollar exactly how they do, there is nothing to cut there. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the interest payments on our debt, and unemployment insurance are eating us alive. $1.4 billion in deficit spending this year just for those.

The other 12 cents is the only money that government chooses how to spend and more than half of that goes to the military budget for gods sake! The Tea partiers have absolutely no clue what the fuck they are talking about, none at all.

Many people seem convinced that somehow we can simply cut federal spending and repay the debt. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE! Tax increases are absolutely necessary and the sooner we bite the bullet and start ponying up the less our kids will have to pay. It is either pay more in income tax or as a value added tax or abolish medicare/medicaid, it is either one or the other, it is as simple as that.

What is all the we shit, Tonto. How much did you pay in? Or do you represent the 49% untouchables.

658 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:16:16pm

re: #649 compound idaho

I know I've had a good year when I have to borrow money to pay my taxes
I laugh, but I am not kidding

I don't get it lizards..I am a middle class white Collar worker that makes around a 100k a year..I pay 38 dollars less a month in taxes under Obama than under Bush..That's a fact...If you really want to do a poll on the Tea Party activist...Ask about their real taxes this year..Ok Shut the Hell up and get back with us next year..If and when your taxes have gone up...

659 gadlaw  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:16:30pm

Anyone catch this Facebook page? - It's the 'All my favorite people died this year, the President is my favorite' crap - thinking they are clever. I think it's a place for people who want to mainstream their desire to do harm to the President to feel like what they are doing is 'all right' . I think it's chilling and I've complained to Facebook about it. - Speaking about Mainstreaming Extremism.

660 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:16:31pm

re: #656 Dark_Falcon

GM's CEO just headlined an ad on Fox News which lead off by announcing that GM had paid the government back.

Naturally this is good news for John McCain!

661 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:16:44pm

re: #648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm wouldn't have read it without the "clever" (misleading) headline.

Kilgore, speaking of misleading headlines?

Hit Drudge, right now...

Yeb, Drudge drives a lot of traffic. Soon the rest of the big right wing blogs will link to it too. That's a lot of revenue.

662 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:17:15pm

re: #648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm wouldn't have read it without the "clever" (misleading) headline.

Kilgore, speaking of misleading headlines?

Hit Drudge, right now...

Speaking of Drudge, why the hell are they mocking the new $100 bill? Do they have to use everything to make it look like we're turning into Europe??

663 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:17:27pm

re: #657 The Shadow Do

What is all the we shit, Tonto. How much did you pay in? Or do you represent the 49% untouchables.

Um those 49% pay no income tax. They still pay sales tax with every single purchase they make so its not like they aren't putting a share into the running of our nation...

664 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:18:24pm

Hm...it looks like the 'Crash the Tea Party' groups weren't a nationwide network of Democrats after all... They were Republicans posing as Democrats to muddy the waters by making it look like the racist signs at teabagger rallies were just the work of 'infiltrators'...Funny how that works.

665 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:18:43pm

re: #648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Also, the next outrageous outrage coming down the pike: OMG! NEW BILL DESIGNS LOOK JUST LIKE THOSE OF SOCIALIST EUROPE!!!

/Obama, why do you hate counterfeiters?

666 compound idaho  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:19:09pm

re: #654 The Shadow Do

My son asks me; why did you give that bum $5? He will just spend in on beer.

My response. At least it won't be wasted.

667 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:19:26pm

re: #663 jamesfirecat

and that "49%" pay other taxes as well

668 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:19:27pm

re: #665 Slumbering Behemoth

Also, the next outrageous outrage coming down the pike: OMG! NEW BILL DESIGNS LOOK JUST LIKE THOSE OF SOCIALIST EUROPE!!!

/Obama, why do you hate counterfeiters?

I kind of like it, actually.

669 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:19:39pm

re: #662 JasonA

Speaking of Drudge, why the hell are they mocking the new $100 bill? Do they have to use everything to make it look like we're turning into Europe??

Check out the second article he links to. They updated to mock him....

Um, Drudge-siren! Is this bill a Communist-style invasion of our civil liberties? A fascist and also very European-seeming prohibition of our Constitutional right to produce and distribute counterfeit currency? It’s for sure the most despicable bill since that other one granting 32 million uninsured Americans health-care.

Lol

670 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:19:42pm

re: #662 JasonA

Speaking of Drudge, why the hell are they mocking the new $100 bill? Do they have to use everything to make it look like we're turning into Europe??

Hey if they can argue that a hydrogen atom looks like a Muslim symbol and thus we're turning into an Islamic nation then they can say our $100 looks like a Euro and thus we're turning into a s-ocialist one.

671 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:19:47pm

re: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

Well they re: #663 jamesfirecat

Also, everyone pays their payroll taxes (altho I guess the rich pay a much smaller % of their income in that than the poor do)

672 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:19:51pm

re: #652 jamesfirecat

Hey, there are still real liberals in the country!

Yeah, the three of them hang out with the last three real conservatives and play Wii on Thursdays.
/

673 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:19:54pm

re: #663 jamesfirecat

Um those 49% pay no income tax. They still pay sales tax with every single purchase they make so its not like they aren't putting a share into the running of our nation...

They should pay something. Period. Even if it is $10 at the losest level. These are purchased votes and I purchased them. Needless to say I had no voice in this.

674 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:20:08pm

re: #653 ausador

Dude... taxes are going to go up. There is no way around it, and no doubt about it.

I'm not debating that reality.

I am debating something that will add 7% to 20% to the price of goods that Americans buy. I am fine with the raising of my income taxes, really, I am.

But let's go to the corner supermarket and watch a struggling single mother buy a Value Added gallon of milk. VAT will not reduce the amount of milk she will need to buy, it will only reduce the amount she is able to buy.

675 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:20:22pm

re: #664 darthstar

Hm...it looks like the 'Crash the Tea Party' groups weren't a nationwide network of Democrats after all... They were Republicans posing as Democrats to muddy the waters by making it look like the racist signs at teabagger rallies were just the work of 'infiltrators'...Funny how that works.

A taint on the teabaggers.

That's a great sentence I just made up.

676 Decider  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:20:28pm

What the heck is the "Fox Business Network"? A way to bash Obama using finance?

677 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:20:41pm

re: #672 Slumbering Behemoth

I think you're coming at it backwards. Neither the conservatives nor the liberals can disown the extremists on their side.

678 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:20:52pm

re: #653 ausador

Yeah, and?

So deficits are a bad bad thing and that is why we need to cut taxes and decrease the federal governments income more?

Face it, the government has to spend 88 cents out of every dollar exactly how they do, there is nothing to cut there. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the interest payments on our debt, and unemployment insurance are eating us alive. $1.4 billion in deficit spending this year just for those.

The other 12 cents is the only money that government chooses how to spend and more than half of that goes to the military budget for gods sake! The Tea partiers have absolutely no clue what the fuck they are talking about, none at all.

Many people seem convinced that somehow we can simply cut federal spending and repay the debt. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE! Tax increases are absolutely necessary and the sooner we bite the bullet and start ponying up the less our kids will have to pay. It is either pay more in income tax or as a value added tax or abolish medicare/medicaid, it is either one or the other, it is as simple as that.

Super PIMF...1.4 Trillion this year in deficit on those programs. (not billion)

damn :(

679 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:20:56pm

re: #623 windsagio

There's always 'don't tax anybody and just live off of debt.' Its worked for the 3 of the previous 4 Republican administrations!!

FTFY.

William

680 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:21:10pm

re: #672 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, the three of them hang out with the last three real conservatives and play Wii on Thursdays.
/

Last time I checked I thought I was a real liberal.

What does someone have to do to be a real liberal in this country?

681 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:21:29pm

re: #659 gadlaw

Why would I want to go to that Facebook page?

682 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:22:20pm

re: #674 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This isn't meant to promote a VAT, but that struggling mother should be getting food stamps, no?

683 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:22:54pm

re: #676 Decider

What the heck is the "Fox Business Network"? A way to bash Obama using finance?

Fox Business Network, is also known as the Box Network, also known as those bast***s who canceled the Planet Express delivery service!

684 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:23:06pm

re: #662 JasonA

Speaking of Drudge, why the hell are they mocking the new $100 bill? Do they have to use everything to make it look like we're turning into Europe??

There was also a similar "IZ IN UR WYTEHOWSE, KILLZIN UR TRADISHUNS" flap over bill design changes under the Clinton admin.

685 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:23:18pm

re: #637 jamesfirecat

Haven't we already been over this one?

A 10% cut across the board is a stupid idea when you could instead find what doesn't work, cut the funding to that, while you keep funding what does work.

But since you've evidently got a fetish for lower government spending without a care for making sure it doesn't harm our economy/country worse than the government debt does go right ahead and give the easy answer.

BS, we can find lot's of things that don't work... the point is works for whom, eh? yeah I want to spend less damn skippy... not let us just start cutting shall we?

686 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:23:19pm

re: #672 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, the three of them hang out with the last three real conservatives and play Wii on Thursdays.
/

There's only two conservatives playing the Wii. I blew my back out playing Wii Bowling.

687 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:23:34pm

re: #683 jamesfirecat

Fox Business Network, is also known as the Box Network, also known as those bast***s who canceled the Planet Express delivery service!

Soon, my friend, very very soon...

688 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:23:46pm

re: #682 JasonA

Food stamps will only buy the same amount as the regular dollar. I was on them once a long time ago and they are not even close to being as good as a pay check. You do not get that much and have to make every one count.

689 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:24:10pm

re: #658 HoosierHoops

I don't get it lizards..I am a middle class white Collar worker that makes around a 100k a year..I pay 38 dollars less a month in taxes under Obama than under Bush..That's a fact...If you really want to do a poll on the Tea Party activist...Ask about their real taxes this year..Ok Shut the Hell up and get back with us next year..If and when your taxes have gone up...

Yeah, but numbers mean nothing to them - that of course is why they believe that teh GOP is somehow more fiscally responsible than the Dems.

Goebbels big lie was spot on. Most folks are morons who belive what they hear if repeated loudly and often enough. They don't know why they should believe it beyond, well it is what "everyone knows."

This is something that

Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News, knows all too well.

690 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:24:23pm

re: #664 darthstar

Linky?

691 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:25:09pm

re: #685 brookly red

BS, we can find lot's of things that don't work... the point is works for whom, eh? yeah I want to spend less damn skippy... not let us just start cutting shall we?

Okay then, find me something in particular that you want to cut if its so easy to find things that don't work.

692 lazardo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:25:09pm

re: #680 jamesfirecat

Last time I checked I thought I was a real liberal.

What does someone have to do to be a real liberal in this country?

First you have to go to the backroom of the nearest Hot Topic and tell the person working there that you like Panic at the Disco on your iPad 3G...

693 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:25:24pm

re: #653 ausador

Yeah, and?

So deficits are a bad bad thing and that is why we need to cut taxes and decrease the federal governments income more?

Face it, the government has to spend 88 cents out of every dollar exactly how they do, there is nothing to cut there. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the interest payments on our debt, and unemployment insurance are eating us alive. $1.4 billion in deficit spending this year just for those.

The other 12 cents is the only money that government chooses how to spend and more than half of that goes to the military budget for gods sake! The Tea partiers have absolutely no clue what the fuck they are talking about, none at all.

Many people seem convinced that somehow we can simply cut federal spending and repay the debt. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE! Tax increases are absolutely necessary and the sooner we bite the bullet and start ponying up the less our kids will have to pay. It is either pay more in income tax or as a value added tax or abolish medicare/medicaid, it is either one or the other, it is as simple as that.

excellent post!

694 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:25:40pm

re: #682 JasonA

This isn't meant to promote a VAT, but that struggling mother should be getting food stamps, no?

Many don't.

695 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:26:00pm

re: #674 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am debating something that will add 7% to 20% to the price of goods that Americans buy. I am fine with the raising of my income taxes, really, I am.

But let's go to the corner supermarket and watch a struggling single mother buy a Value Added gallon of milk. VAT will not reduce the amount of milk she will need to buy, it will only reduce the amount she is able to buy.


Here's my take on it....
Volker mentioned VAT because he's an economist. VAT does work and is used in a lot of countries. Unlike thing like Fair Tax it's an idea that works in the real world. Another reason an economist might like VAT is because is does away with all those pesky tax "complications" (AKA writeoffs) like mortgage interest, healthcare costs, buisiness expenses. Ultimately it raises more money for the government and that's what an economist would like.

Obama is a politician and he has to run again in a few years. A massive tax hike like VAT would hit small business, working poor and middle class families very hard. If he even seriously pushes the idea he will really hurt his chances of getting reelected. He's not going to go for it. Even if people think he might push for VAT down the road it will really hurt him.

696 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:26:09pm

re: #680 jamesfirecat

Wait, you mean you didn't get our invite for our weekly Wii tourney? Must have got lost in the mail.
/

697 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:26:39pm

re: #657 The Shadow Do

What is all the we shit, Tonto. How much did you pay in? Or do you represent the 49% untouchables.

I paid over $14,000 in taxes this year and I will be getting a $47.00 dollar refund according to my tax return. Does that qualify me as a "we" who is paying into the system or do I have to pay more?

/bite me

698 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:26:42pm

re: #648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm wouldn't have read it without the "clever" (misleading) headline.

Kilgore, speaking of misleading headlines?

Hit Drudge, right now...

Drudge Report - your one-stop shop for misleading headlines, junk science, and various forms of raw, unbridled buffoonery for your dining and dancing pleasure.

Exhibit 381311.8-A:

EVEN OBAMA'S NEW $100 BILL LOOKS EUROPEAN...
Might as Well Be a Euro...

referring to the Treasury's new $100 bill design, which of course marks the first time our sacred money-objects have ever been changed since the first honkey landed on Plymouth Rock. /

699 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:26:55pm

re: #689 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, but numbers mean nothing to them - that of course is why they believe that teh GOP is somehow more fiscally responsible than the Dems.

Goebbels big lie was spot on. Most folks are morons who belive what they hear if repeated loudly and often enough. They don't know why they should believe it beyond, well it is what "everyone knows."

This is something that

Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News, knows all too well.

But according to the Great Escape if you laid out an iron clad trail of logic pointing out why Germany was doomed to fail and loose WW2 then the camp guard's moral would come crashing down.

Meaning no disrespect to Paul Brickhill I think we're gonna need more than just an iron clad string of logic and I don't like what that implies....

700 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:27:02pm

Someday we're going to realize that we need to take a hatchet to our defense budget. It's a matter of when, not if.

701 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:27:32pm

re: #689 LudwigVanQuixote

You didn't just trot out Goebbels did you? Yup, yes you did.

702 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:28:20pm

re: #695 Killgore Trout

He left the door open to it Kilgore.

703 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:28:44pm

re: #698 negativ

Honky? Really? Really?
t("t)

704 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:29:07pm

re: #690 Slumbering Behemoth

Linky?

No, this page hasn't been hacked. I created this page in the first place with the express purpose of demonstrating to my misguided liberal friends what awaits this week if they decide to crash the Tea Party events. As far as I can tell, the Crash The Tea Party web site is as real as it is ridiculous.

In short, they were not smart enough to create a Facebook page so we went ahead and created one and then proceeded to fill it with Tea Party folks before ramping it up. At the time, the actual web site had about 6 users.

The result: There has been almost zero planning and coordination for the effort by the left. Instead, there has been endless flames, sniping and debating. The web site has been flooded by conservatives to the point that it crashes on a regular basis.

I am actually shocked at how little the liberal members of the group tried to actually organize and plan the crash activities. I guess they need SEUI, ACORN or OFA to print up pretty signs for them and provide planning and buses to be successful - unlike the Tea Partiers that organize themselves, pay for their own supplies and get themselves out to events.


[Link: www.facebook.com...]

705 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:29:29pm

re: #687 JasonA

Soon, my friend, very very soon...

Yes, Futurama will be back this year.

706 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:29:30pm

More tastelessness on Drudge:

"SHOCK: Botox may diminish emotions..."
That's right below a pic of Nancy Pelosi for no good reason.

707 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:29:50pm

re: #705 Dark_Falcon

Yes, Futurama will be back this year.

A couple of months, no?

708 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:30:15pm

re: #695 Killgore Trout

My take on it? We are not on a sustainable path. Taxes will have to go up. They will have to go up for everybody except for the bottom of the bottom.

Raise mine by 5%. Fine.

But, dig into that 49% too.

709 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:30:38pm

re: #707 JasonA

A couple of months, no?

So its a channel?

Yes some kind of Co-mod-ity central channel, and we're on it!

710 Gus  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:30:44pm

Matt Drudge and Breitbart are two idiots. Continuing on the latest headlines for morons we find:

EVEN OBAMA'S NEW $100 BILL LOOKS EUROPEAN...

This has actually been in the works for some time now. The new 100 dollar bill was supposed to be released in 2008. Just a sample from a story in 2007:

Faced with increasingly sophisticated counterfeiting, the U.S. Treasury is preparing a new, state-of-the-art $100 bill for circulation as early as next year. The new C-note will incorporate a security thread microprinted with 650,000 microscopic lenses that give the thread hologram-like features. Like other redesigned U.S. currency, the Franklin will carry additional color tones and other security features.

A Google search for a date range of 4/1/2006 and 4/1/2008 reveals further links and information.

Drudge and Breitbart. Dumb and dumber.

711 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:30:50pm

re: #690 Slumbering Behemoth

Linky?

[Link: notsofreshfeelings.blogspot.com...]

712 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:31:04pm

re: #701 The Shadow Do

You didn't just trot out Goebbels did you? Yup, yes you did.

Yes and absolutely accurately.

You don't get to cry Godwin and use that to try to ignore the reality of the analogy. It is the exact same play book and while we are at it, if you read the tea-party crap and compare it to the speeches of the early national socialists, it is the exact same rhetoric, simply giving it an American themed flavor.

Godwin crys are only valid if the claim is false.

I am deadly serious and I would never ever try to cheapen the horrors of the Nazis by making some foolish false comparison. This is real live, in your face, in America, Nazi behavior.

713 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:31:07pm

re: #697 ausador

I paid over $14,000 in taxes this year and I will be getting a $47.00 dollar refund according to my tax return. Does that qualify me as a "we" who is paying into the system or do I have to pay more?

/bite me

No, I appreciate that you paid income taxes. Why do you feel you should pay more under the present structure? Why do you feel that almost half the people in the country should pay absolutely nothing, not even a token figure?Truly puzzling.

714 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:31:45pm

re: #652 jamesfirecat

Hey, there are still real liberals in the country!

Not to deliberately recycle but I'm a real liberal except when it comes to pineapple on pizza. I'd join a pineapple tea party just to protest.

715 jaunte  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:31:52pm

re: #698 negativ

referring to the Treasury's new $100 bill design, which of course marks the first time our sacred money-objects have ever been changed since the first honkey landed on Plymouth Rock. /

I like these Dutch banknote designs. The color helps a lot to distinguish the denominations:
[Link: barryborsboom.wordpress.com...]

716 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:32:11pm

re: #713 The Shadow Do

No, I appreciate that you paid income taxes. Why do you feel you should pay more under the present structure? Why do you feel that almost half the people in the country should pay absolutely nothing, not even a token figure?Truly puzzling.

Umm... do those people not pay Sales or Payroll Taxes? Do they not pay Social Security taxes on their checks?

717 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:32:15pm

re: ">#691 jamesfirecat

Okay then, find me something in particular that you want to cut if its so easy to find things that don't work.

sure, why do my tax dollars go to ACORN, or for that matter why do we have 50 states & 100 Senators? Can't we do with 50 senators?... or why do we still have troops in Germany? Why does Nancy P. have a bar on her airplane?
why are lobbyists even legal?

718 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:33:12pm

re: #712 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes and absolutely accurately.

You don't get to cry Godwin and use that to try to ignore the reality of the analogy. It is the exact same play book and while we are at it, if you read the tea-party crap and compare it to the speeches of the early national socialists, it is the exact same rhetoric, simply giving it an American themed flavor.

Godwin crys are only valid if the claim is false.

I am deadly serious and I would never ever try to cheapen the horrors of the Nazis by making some foolish false comparison. This is real live, in your face, in America, Nazi behavior.

Apocalyptic, for sure.

719 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:33:23pm

re: #717 brookly red

sure, why do my tax dollars go to ACORN, or for that matter why do we have 50 states & 100 Senators? Can't we do with 50 senators?... or why do we still have troops in Germany? Why does Nancy P. have a bar on her airplane?
why are lobbyists even legal?

I'm glad you're back.

Would you care to explain to me why you think the GOP spends less or is more fiscally responsible than the Dems, when the numbers for the past 40 years show the exact opposite?

720 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:33:41pm

re: #704 darthstar

Thanks for the link. Is there a way to be certain that this is the same person who created the (non-facebook) website?

721 elizajane  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:33:47pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elizajane? Here's the exact quote.

From Rush's transcripts...

He benefited from his party and the media ratcheting up a level of hate against George W. Bush that we couldn't understand, a level of hate for the US military, a level of hate for the US economy. I play golf with a bunch of Democrats. One of them is a good friend of mine, a very smart guy. He hated Bush with a purple passion but couldn't tell me why. "It can't get any worse, Rush! It can't get any worse than what it is!" You want to bet it can't get any worse? It has proceeded to get worse. Do you think that Obama depended on policy to reveal the sealed divorce papers of his Republican opponent for his Senate run? He didn't. He didn't depend on policy when his henchmen tanked the markets in September 2008. Do you think he was running on policy then?

Belated thanks on this FBV. I don't want to know how you find Rush transcripts because the next thing you know I'll be reading and weeping.

722 darthstar  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:34:26pm

re: #720 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks for the link. Is there a way to be certain that this is the same person who created the (non-facebook) website?

I don't know...just saw a few blog posts about it and thought I'd share it here...the internets never lie. /

723 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:34:33pm

re: #657 The Shadow Do

What is all the we shit, Tonto. How much did you pay in? Or do you represent the 49% untouchables.

I probably paid more than you and I agree with him completely. Perhaps people shouldn't put down so many dependents on their withholding or not spend all their money on Big Gulps if they are bitching about borrowing money to pay their taxes.

724 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:35:03pm

re: #717 brookly red

sure, why do my tax dollars go to ACORN, or for that matter why do we have 50 states & 100 Senators? Can't we do with 50 senators?... or why do we still have troops in Germany? Why does Nancy P. have a bar on her airplane?
why are lobbyists even legal?

Your tax dollars don't go to ACORN anymore. However when they did it was because everyone in the nation deserves the right to vote and some people may not realize on their own how to overcome the barriers put in place to keep people who shouldn't be voting from doing it. Its money paid to insure that no American who seeks a vote and is entitled to one is refused it.

Your other quibbles I consider fairly reasonable however.

725 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:35:20pm

re: #719 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm glad you're back.

Would you care to explain to me why you think the GOP spends less or is more fiscally responsible than the Dems, when the numbers for the past 40 years show the exact opposite?

sure, would you care to repost the quote where I said that...

726 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:35:58pm

re: #698 negativ

You noticed that too?... I was talking about the "TAKE VAT! VALUE ADDED TAX FOR AMERICA."

727 Gus  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:36:18pm

re: #698 negativ

referring to the Treasury's new $100 bill design, which of course marks the first time our sacred money-objects have ever been changed since the first honkey landed on Plymouth Rock. /

Oh no it's European!!111!!! Eleventy!1

Right, they also don't make anymore wooden nickles. I bet that was disappointing to the pea brains. Recently there was court decision that mandated that future paper money be printed so as to be identifiable by the blind. That means in the future we'll be seeing bills of different sizes. Much like they have in Europe and other countries around the world.

You have to wonder how they'll react about that change.

728 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:36:25pm

re: #716 jamesfirecat

Umm... do those people not pay Sales or Payroll Taxes? Do they not pay Social Security taxes on their checks?

Not the argument. This is a deflection against my argument that everyone should be invested in his Government. that is called fair and gets people to pay attention, perhaps. The bottom of the bottom economically? $2.00? It can go up from there. Free ride? Bad for the giver, bad for the recipient.

729 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:37:53pm

re: #725 brookly red

sure, would you care to repost the quote where I said that...

now, back to throwing them all out & cutting 10% across the board ... I will let you go first Lud...

730 compound idaho  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:38:33pm

re: #667 Dreggas

and that "49%" pay other taxes as well

re: #723 Locker

I probably paid more than you and I agree with him completely. Perhaps people shouldn't put down so many dependents on their withholding or not spend all their money on Big Gulps if they are bitching about borrowing money to pay their taxes.

Zero federal income tax is still zero.

In defense of the 49% and every wage earner. Try 15% SE tax for a down right shitty retirement or disability plan. Think about how well off you would be if you put 15% of your life's earnings side versus social security. Problem is that it is too late to do anything about it.

731 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:38:40pm

re: #721 elizajane

I won't tell you it was on RushLimbaugh.com then.

732 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:38:49pm

re: #723 Locker

I probably paid more than you and I agree with him completely. Perhaps people shouldn't put down so many dependents on their withholding or not spend all their money on Big Gulps if they are bitching about borrowing money to pay their taxes.

How much do you think taxes should be increased from us 'rich' folk? 10%, 20%, more? Maybe an open checkbook to Uncle Sam, hey whatever you need old man?

733 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:38:53pm

re: #728 The Shadow Do

Not the argument. This is a deflection against my argument that everyone should be invested in his Government. that is called fair and gets people to pay attention, perhaps. The bottom of the bottom economically? $2.00? It can go up from there. Free ride? Bad for the giver, bad for the recipient.

Yeah being poor is so gosh darn amazing in this country with all the food stamps and ER visits you could ask for!

734 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:39:08pm

re: #717 brookly red

sure, why do my tax dollars go to ACORN, or for that matter why do we have 50 states & 100 Senators? Can't we do with 50 senators?... or why do we still have troops in Germany? Why does Nancy P. have a bar on her airplane?
why are lobbyists even legal?

Why do we have a war on drugs? Why is the military our biggest budget item? Why don't we have publicly funded elections? Why don't we have universal health care and use our joint power to by prescription drugs?

This is fun...

735 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:39:16pm

re: #727 Gus 802

Oh no it's European!!111!!! Eleventy!1

Right, they also don't make anymore wooden nickles. I bet that was disappointing to the pea brains. Recently there was court decision that mandated that future paper money be printed so as to be identifiable by the blind. That means in the future we'll be seeing bills of different sizes. Much like they have in Europe and other countries around the world.

You have to wonder how they'll react about that change.

Next thing you know we'll be printing our money in English and Spanish!
/

736 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:39:46pm

re: #712 LudwigVanQuixote

You don't get to cry Godwin

That stupid-ass meme irritates the shit out of me. Yes, people can and do make idiotic comparisons to the Nazis (c.f. lots of Tea Partiers, lots of GWB-era war protesters) but I can't think of a better way to avoid the lessons of history than having system that ensures one will be mocked and shouted down every time ones tries to remind people what that particular chunk of history might have smelled like.

737 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:40:08pm

re: #715 jaunte

I like these Dutch banknote designs. The color helps a lot to distinguish the denominations:

Not for people who are color blind, you damn colorist!

/wait, what?

738 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:40:11pm

re: #734 Locker

Why do we have a war on drugs? Why is the military our biggest budget item? Why don't we have publicly funded elections? Why don't we have universal health care and use our joint power to by prescription drugs?

This is fun...

this is fun... burn baby burn!

739 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:40:23pm

re: #732 The Shadow Do

How much do you think taxes should be increased from us 'rich' folk? 10%, 20%, more? Maybe an open checkbook to Uncle Sam, hey whatever you need old man?

Progressive tax brackets with those who earn more than 50 million paying 50% income tax on that the money they earn over that. Also known as my 50 for 50 plan.

740 Gus  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:40:43pm

Speaking of Europe. I was just thinking today how much the American standard of measurement based on the British Imperial system sucks and how much more superior the metric system is. It's not because every other industrialized nation uses the metric system. It's because the metric system is superior.

741 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:41:05pm

re: #717 brookly red

sure, why do my tax dollars go to ACORN, or for that matter why do we have 50 states & 100 Senators? Can't we do with 50 senators?... or why do we still have troops in Germany? Why does Nancy P. have a bar on her airplane?
why are lobbyists even legal?

Well because of lies and smears and open distortions oof a slander and libel campaign Acorn no longer gets any money. Why 100 instead of 50 senators is something to be taken up with guys with names like Madison and Washington and Franklin. Hate to break it to you, but they knew better than you and were much much smarter.

We have troops in Germany because the Russians are still not our best friends - or anyone's best friends for that matter.

Nancy P. most likely spends less on entertainment than the GOP - I mean she doesn't go to strip bars for instance.

Yes I would love to do away with lobbyists. Particularly the Heritage Foundation, the fossil fuel lobby (including the Saudi lobby) and about 500 others.

However, they are a part of our system, because we demand that politicians raise their own money to run. Well some folks in America get what they pay for.

Now tell me true, did your taxes go up or down this year?

742 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:41:13pm

re: #740 Gus 802

Speaking of Europe. I was just thinking today how much the American standard of measurement based on the British Imperial system sucks and how much more superior the metric system is. It's not because every other industrialized nation uses the metric system. It's because the metric system is superior.

Vastly.

743 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:41:47pm

re: #739 jamesfirecat

Heh. People who draw the line at fifty are normally the people who make forty-nine.

744 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:42:12pm

re: #739 jamesfirecat

Progressive tax brackets with those who earn more than 50 million paying 50% income tax on that the money they earn over that. Also known as my 50 for 50 plan.

100K pays at 25%. Fair?

745 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:42:27pm

re: #725 brookly red

sure, would you care to repost the quote where I said that...

OK so if you don't believe the lie that the GOP spends less than the Dems, we have no quarrel and I will hold you to that point.

746 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:42:50pm

re: #722 darthstar

Well if the info is legit, it sure would take the steam out of the teabaggers "liberal plant" meme. One can only hope.

747 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:43:10pm

re: #741 LudwigVanQuixote

Well because of lies and smears and open distortions oof a slander and libel campaign Acorn no longer gets any money. Why 100 instead of 50 senators is something to be taken up with guys with names like Madison and Washington and Franklin. Hate to break it to you, but they knew better than you and were much much smarter.

We have troops in Germany because the Russians are still not our best friends - or anyone's best friends for that matter.

Nancy P. most likely spends less on entertainment than the GOP - I mean she doesn't go to strip bars for instance.

Yes I would love to do away with lobbyists. Particularly the Heritage Foundation, the fossil fuel lobby (including the Saudi lobby) and about 500 others.

However, they are a part of our system, because we demand that politicians raise their own money to run. Well some folks in America get what they pay for.

Now tell me true, did your taxes go up or down this year?

well to tell you the truth I have been one of the tens of millions out of work so I have not paid any taxes... next?

748 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:43:11pm

re: #727 Gus 802

Oh no it's European!!111!!! Eleventy!1

Right, they also don't make anymore wooden nickles. I bet that was disappointing to the pea brains. Recently there was court decision that mandated that future paper money be printed so as to be identifiable by the blind. That means in the future we'll be seeing bills of different sizes. Much like they have in Europe and other countries around the world.

You have to wonder how they'll react about that change.

EUROSOCIALISM!!1 OLIGARHY!!1 BUY GOLD!11

/

749 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:43:13pm

re: #738 brookly red

this is fun... burn baby burn!

Upding for the Grumpy Old Men quote.

750 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:43:13pm

re: #740 Gus 802

Speaking of Europe. I was just thinking today how much the American standard of measurement based on the British Imperial system sucks and how much more superior the metric system is. It's not because every other industrialized nation uses the metric system. It's because the metric system is superior.

Oh certainly, the British system is eccentric to say the least.

751 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:43:54pm

re: #715 jaunte

I like these Dutch banknote designs. The color helps a lot to distinguish the denominations:
[Link: barryborsboom.wordpress.com...]

If I wuz in charge of things, I'd have the bills designed either by Robert Crumb or Robert Williams. It would be a difficult choice.

752 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:43:58pm

re: #743 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. People who draw the line at fifty are normally the people who make forty-nine.

Ehh I just use my 50 for 50 plan because its easy to remember and seems reasonably fair, if you're earning more than 50 million dollars you are pretty well off.

Besides, its the same percentage of income tax that you would have paid had you made that much money under (dare I type it) President Ronald Regan....

753 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:44:00pm

re: #740 Gus 802

Speaking of Europe. I was just thinking today how much the American standard of measurement based on the British Imperial system sucks and how much more superior the metric system is. It's not because every other industrialized nation uses the metric system. It's because the metric system is superior.

No matter how long I live in the US, I will never understand your measuring system.

Change already and join the 20th century.

754 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:44:04pm

re: #747 brookly red

well to tell you the truth I have been one of the tens of millions out of work so I have not paid any taxes... next?

I'm sorry to hear that. I wish you the best of luck in finding something satisfying and lucrative soon.

755 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:44:30pm

re: #750 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh certainly, the British system is eccentric to say the least.

I wonder if our kids might do better in science with a simpler system of measurement.

756 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:44:36pm

re: #745 LudwigVanQuixote

OK so if you don't believe the lie that the GOP spends less than the Dems, we have no quarrel and I will hold you to that point.

bite me you put word in my mouth & then forgive me for not saying them? where you breath turkey.

757 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:44:47pm

re: #734 Locker

Why do we have a war on drugs? Why is the military our biggest budget item? Why don't we have publicly funded elections? Why don't we have universal health care and use our joint power to by prescription drugs?

This is fun...

Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?

758 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:44:48pm

re: #744 The Shadow Do

100K pays at 25%. Fair?

Not so much, I'd probably want them paying something more like 18%...

759 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:45:33pm

re: #740 Gus 802

Speaking of Europe. I was just thinking today how much the American standard of measurement based on the British Imperial system sucks and how much more superior the metric system is. It's not because every other industrialized nation uses the metric system. It's because the metric system is superior.

I like the metric system and use it in my work every day.
Just an odd aside: Did you know that British garden hoses are 3/4" diameter just like ours but the thread to attach to the spigot is metric thread. Never buy a British garden hose, it just won't work on this side of the pond.

760 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:45:59pm

re: #740 Gus 802

Our money is in the metric system, Europe stole that idea from us.

So, THERE!

761 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:46:05pm

re: #753 Renaissance_Man

No matter how long I live in the US, I will never understand your measuring system.

Change already and join the 20th century.

Same reason why we hate soccer and play it in the summer. We are completely and totally addicted to doing it OUR way. It's embedded in the American Self Image.

762 Gus  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:47:05pm

re: #750 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh certainly, the British system is eccentric to say the least.

It's annoying. Adding a string of distances like 115'-4 5/16" + 31'- 1 5/8" + 14'-7 13/32. Most of the time I leave to my cad program. Otherwise it's converting the feet into inches and the fractions into decimal numbers.

763 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:47:21pm

re: #758 jamesfirecat

Not so much, I'd probably want them paying something more like 18%...

well add on the sales tax, property tax, insurance tax, phone tax, energy tax, etc, etc, try 65% IF they have a good accountant.

764 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:47:41pm

re: #756 brookly red

bite me you put word in my mouth & then forgive me for not saying them? where you breath turkey.

So do you believe the GOP spends less than the Dems? I inferred that from your rantings, and then you claimed to have never said that indignantly.

OK. So I was saying that if that were true we have no argument.

If you don't believe that, then say so.

So do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems?

765 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:48:13pm

re: #755 JasonA

I wonder if our kids might do better in science with a simpler system of measurement.

All science is done in metric.

766 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:48:42pm

re: #752 jamesfirecat

Ehh I just use my 50 for 50 plan because its easy to remember and seems reasonably fair, if you're earning more than 50 million dollars you are pretty well off.

Besides, its the same percentage of income tax that you would have paid had you made that much money under (dare I type it) President Ronald Regan...

Nobody actually paid that.

767 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:49:02pm

re: #764 LudwigVanQuixote

So do you believe the GOP spends less than the Dems? I inferred that from your rantings, and then you claimed to have never said that indignantly.

OK. So I was saying that if that were true we have no argument.

If you don't believe that, then say so.

So do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems?

what part of throw them all out and cut 10% did you not understand you hyper-partisan wombat?

768 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:49:06pm

re: #755 JasonA

I wonder if our kids might do better in science with a simpler system of measurement.

Plenty of kids in the US know the metric system. I buy drugs from them all the time.
/is joke

769 Gus  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:49:07pm

re: #755 JasonA

I wonder if our kids might do better in science with a simpler system of measurement.

Probably so.

770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:49:30pm

Let's solve the countries woes...

Money saving ideas that won't hurt a thing.

Abolish the penny. Round to the nickel, US mint can stop making them. (Last I heard I cost more than a penny to make a penny...

Next?

771 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:49:39pm

re: #758 jamesfirecat

Not so much, I'd probably want them paying something more like 18%...

Bleeding heart liberal for sure.

772 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:49:55pm

re: #765 LudwigVanQuixote

All science is done in metric.

Why are we still bothering with oh to hell with it. I've lived here all my life and I have trouble understanding us.

773 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:49:57pm

Hindu Skunk > Purple Kush

774 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:50:13pm

re: #767 brookly red

what part of throw them all out and cut 10% did you not understand you hyper-partisan wombat?

How does that answer my question?

What part of a simple yes no question are you missing? And I am not a Dem, I am just someone who looks at actual numbers.

Do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems?

yes or no?

775 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:51:55pm

re: #774 LudwigVanQuixote

How does that answer my question?

What part of a simple yes no question are you missing? And I am not a Dem, I am just someone who looks at actual numbers.

Do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems?

yes or no?

we have a deficit in the trillions... what the fuck are you talking about?

776 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:52:48pm

re: #775 brookly red

we have a deficit in the trillions... what the fuck are you talking about?

He's asking you a question. What's the big deal? You made that comment about Nancy P and the bar, it's a pretty standard response question to that kind of flame so what's the big mystery?

777 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:52:49pm

re: #772 JasonA

Why are we still bothering with oh to hell with it. I've lived here all my life and I have trouble understanding us.

3.8 grams to an 8-ball... got it?

778 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:53:01pm

*saunters in, martini in hand, smoking jacket and bunny slippers on*

779 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:53:23pm

re: #777 brookly red

3.8 grams to an 8-ball... got it?

So, how much in a dime bag?...

780 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:53:27pm

re: #777 brookly red

3.8 grams to an 8-ball... got it?

3.5 foolio

781 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:53:40pm

re: #775 brookly red

we have a deficit in the trillions... what the fuck are you talking about?

Where did the bulk of it come from. Is a bigger hunk due to Democratic spending or Republican spending?

We both know the answer, that is why you are being so evasive.

But last try, this is real simple, the correct answers are, Yes, no, and I don't know.

Do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems?

782 Gus  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:53:52pm

BRB

783 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:54:01pm

re: #780 Locker

3.5 foolio

I am good to my peeps...

784 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:54:01pm

re: #779 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, how much in a dime bag?...

Is this a trick question? ;)

785 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:54:10pm

re: #778 Racer X

*saunters in, martini in hand, smoking jacket and bunny slippers on*

Vodka martini? Apple-tini?

786 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:54:23pm

re: #740 Gus 802

Speaking of Europe. I was just thinking today how much the American standard of measurement based on the British Imperial system sucks and how much more superior the metric system is. It's not because every other industrialized nation uses the metric system. It's because the metric system is superior.

My old Landrover uses Imperial Gallons--I get much better gas mileage that way.

787 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:54:30pm

re: #778 Racer X

*saunters in, martini in hand, smoking jacket and bunny slippers on*

So you're the one who robbed Hugh Hefner's house?
/

788 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:54:33pm

re: #783 brookly red

I am good to my peeps...

Laugh you just counting the sack weight, who you trying to fool?

789 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:55:12pm

re: #654 The Shadow Do

It would be nice for the Lizards who are among the 49% who receive of my generosity to say thanks, but I ain't holdin my breath for it.

Thanks...
I think.

(actually I'm not sure if we are part of the 49% since we only got a small refund. Thank goodness we own a house and a kid. Our son had to pay $10 in taxes because he is still claimed by us so no refund for him!)

790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:55:12pm

re: #784 Locker

Is this a trick question? ;)

Fucked up my whole world when I found out a dime bag was now fifteen bucks.

I stopped doing drugs altogether.

(I was told there would be no math)

791 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:56:02pm

re: #740 Gus 802

Speaking of Europe. I was just thinking today how much the American standard of measurement based on the British Imperial system sucks and how much more superior the metric system is. It's not because every other industrialized nation uses the metric system. It's because the metric system is superior.

I thoroughly agree with this for nearly all units of measure. The only one I can't seem to get my head around is the kilometer. I have a sort of rough idea how far a mile is - that is to say, I know that a mile is 5280 feet, but I also have a feel for how far a mile is - but a kilometer? Forget it.

792 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:56:33pm

re: #756 brookly red

bite me you put word in my mouth & then forgive me for not saying them? where you breath turkey.

That's not nice, brookly.

793 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:56:43pm

re: #776 Locker

He's asking you a question. What's the big deal? You made that comment about Nancy P and the bar, it's a pretty standard response question to that kind of flame so what's the big mystery?

OK so let me make this really really clear. we are in debt to the point of insolvency and some people want to play the blame game... throw them all out, it is a really easy concept.

794 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:56:49pm

re: #790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fucked up my whole world when I found out a dime bag was now fifteen bucks.

I stopped doing drugs altogether.

(I was told there would be no math)

Fifteen bucks gets you about 3 pre-rolled of top shelf shake or 1.75 grams of middle shelf bud. Could be worse.

795 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:57:15pm

re: #788 Locker

Laugh you just counting the sack weight, who you trying to fool?

you don't like you go else where...

796 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:57:15pm

re: #789 webevintage

You're good people. Your son will still have to cut the lawn though.

797 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:57:33pm

re: #793 brookly red

OK so let me make this really really clear. we are in debt to the point of insolvency and some people want to play the blame game... throw them all out, it is a really easy concept.

Ok so I paraphrase this to mean, the Nancy P thing was just for fun, I'm bitching about debt foolio!

Did I get it right?

798 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:57:56pm

re: #793 brookly red

OK so let me make this really really clear. we are in debt to the point of insolvency and some people want to play the blame game... throw them all out, it is a really easy concept.

Well lets see under President Clinton (D) we were running a Budget Surplus and so we could have payed down our debt to zero. Then President Bush (R) took over and when he was done we were more in debt then when we started....

I think there's a trend here, but I'm not sure what it is.....

799 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:58:27pm

re: #789 webevintage

One of the glories of having "Betty the Tax Lady" is I get my taxes back, with a statement on top that says, "Amount of Refund" (7,726) for federal...

I did not go into the packet to see how much federal tax I paid.

Do I really want to know? I really don't. It'll piss me off and I can't do anything about it.

800 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:59:22pm

re: #796 The Shadow Do

You're good people. Your son will still have to cut the lawn though.

Thanks and Damn right he will cut the lawn.
He thought that once he got a job he would not have to help out around the house anymore. He is gonna be real surprised when we start charging rent and he STILL is cutting the grass.

801 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:00:00pm

re: #790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Willie? Izzat you?

802 Macha  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:00:03pm

re: #768 Slumbering Behemoth

Plenty of kids in the US know the metric system. I buy drugs from them all the time.
/is joke

You mean the lid is no longer a unit of measurement?

803 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:00:05pm

re: #800 webevintage

Thanks and Damn right he will cut the lawn.
He thought that once he got a job he would not have to help out around the house anymore. He is gonna be real surprised when we start charging rent and he STILL is cutting the grass.

LOL!

804 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:00:19pm

re: #779 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, how much in a dime bag?...

Depends.

3 fingers for the mexican brown stuff; 2 fingers for the green stuff with buds; 1 finger if you want no stems and seeds; 1 gram if you want red hairs on the buds; purple hair stuff is about a thimble full.

In 1978.

Or so I was told.

805 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:00:32pm

re: #778 Racer X

Bunny Slippers?
This kind of bunny?

806 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:00:45pm

re: #787 Slumbering Behemoth

So you're the one who robbed Hugh Hefner's house?
/

I am Hugh Hefner.

807 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:01:11pm

OK, so for the record, The GOP does NOT spend less than the Dems.

808 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:01:24pm

Brookly, if you answer ludwigs question, I'll answer any question you ask me, no any 2.

No matter how personal. Sky's the limit

809 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:01:28pm

re: #804 Racer X

Depends.

3 fingers for the mexican brown stuff; 2 fingers for the green stuff with buds; 1 finger if you want no stems and seeds; 1 gram if you want red hairs on the buds; purple hair stuff is about a thimble full.

In 1978.

Or so I was told.

I think we use the same drive thru...

810 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:01:56pm

re: #808 windsagio

Or, alternatively I'll reveal 2 extremely embarassing factoids about myself.

Good deal, imo.

811 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:02:21pm

re: #700 JasonA

Someday we're going to realize that we need to take a hatchet to our defense budget. It's a matter of when, not if.

Not going to agree with that one, not entirely at least. We have learned several times already in our history what happens when we do not pose a credible threat to our enemies. It is easy after 35+ years of relative peace to ask why we need such a strong military and want to see it cut.

It is already being cut, by budget attrition and overuse without commensurate budget increases. The entire air force has less than 1000 planes, fighters, bombers, transports, Lear jets for the brass, everything. The navy is struggling to maintain it's carrier groups and has cut the size and number of escorts rather than cut the carriers. It flies mainly antique planes that are well beyond their design life cycle.

The entire military procurement cycle has become fucked up beyond belief, we could save a lot of money there, but not nearly as much as you are seemingly talking about. Just going back to the "made in America" requirements would at least keep the money here instead of being overcharged for shit being made overseas.

We can't build a tank without a German made main gun barrel, we can't even build an F-16 fighter plane (our main export sale cheap fighter) without parts supplied by 16 separate countries.

We may have a seemingly strong military and we are paying top dollar plus for it, but it is shallow in depth. The industry that fueled our win in WW-II is mostly overseas now and we would be unable to replace our losses in an actual war. Well not unless we have several years to attempt to reacquire that manufacturing base from scratch.

So, basically I agree that we need to change how we spend our military money but can't really agree that we need to be spending less, just spending it smarter and creating more jobs here.

812 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:03:03pm

re: #798 jamesfirecat

Well lets see under President Clinton (D) we were running a Budget Surplus and so we could have payed down our debt to zero. Then President Bush (R) took over and when he was done we were more in debt then when we started...

I think there's a trend here, but I'm not sure what it is...

Yes, it's a recession followed by a massive terrorist attack followed by major military actions being needed to root out tyranny and Islamist terror. Bush was so stupid, NOT.

813 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:03:15pm

re: #811 ausador

The real problem is that the defense spending has us trapped. Large segments of the economy will collapse if we cut it.

814 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:03:17pm

re: #805 Floral Giraffe

Bunny Slippers?
This kind of bunny?

[Video]

No the other kind.
- Hugh

815 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:03:45pm

re: #792 Dark_Falcon

That's not nice, brookly.

nice... to the man who "dances on still warm corpses" ? care to re consider?

816 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:03:49pm

re: #812 Dark_Falcon

In fairness Bush 1 and Reagan were deficit monsters too.

817 Virginia Plain  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:04:09pm

re: #813 windsagio

The real problem is that the defense spending has us trapped. Large segments of the economy will collapse if we cut it.

The city I live in will become a ghost town without the military-industrial complex.

818 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:04:33pm

re: #815 brookly red

Man you're pulling out anything you can to 'save face' aren't ya?

Put up (aka answer the question) or shut up.

819 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:04:33pm

re: #781 LudwigVanQuixote

Where did the bulk of it come from.

~$720 million per day to stay in Iraq, for less than zero return on investment - Afghanistan's going down the tubes and Pakistan remains the most dangerous country on Earth. Of course, Ahmadinejad is possibly the world's most successful troll, so everyone is busy paying attention to Iran's potential nuke program. Meanwhile, Pakistan already has nukes, and is in a state of persistent instability that should scare the shit out of everyone on the planet, but somehow doesn't.

820 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:04:56pm

re: #807 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, so for the record, The GOP does NOT spend less than the Dems.

For the record - they both suck.

Their maximum suckage velocity shifts from side to side periodically.

But make no mistake - they both suck.

821 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:05:19pm

re: #818 windsagio

Man you're pulling out anything you can to 'save face' aren't ya?

Put up (aka answer the question) or shut up.

I got no face to save... what was the question?

822 Virginia Plain  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:05:27pm

re: #819 negativ

India keeps an eye on its neighbor.

823 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:05:38pm

re: #809 Locker

I think we use the same drive thru...

Jack in the Box on 3rd?

824 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:05:55pm

re: #817 Virginia Plain

yeah, its a problem. I really want us to cut it too, but I don't see a way out.

I like the 'repurpose into NASA' idea, but others most definitely do not :P

Maaaybe a slow weaning, but to be honest thats politically impossible.

825 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:06:30pm

re: #815 brookly red

nice... to the man who "dances on still warm corpses" ? care to re consider?

Of people who make war on my country, and fire weapons, damn straight.

But also irrelevant.

Why is this yes no question causing such a virulent response from you? I agree that massive deficits are terrible things and that we have spent ourselves into a major problem.

So who did the bulk of that deficit spending? Was it the GOP or the Dems?

826 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:06:39pm

re: #820 Racer X

For the record - they both suck.

Their maximum suckage velocity shifts from side to side periodically.

But make no mistake - they both suck.

True, but "suck" comes in different flavors, and I like my side's.

827 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:07:17pm

re: #825 LudwigVanQuixote

Because he knows the answer, but is totally unwilling to admit the truth.

828 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:07:26pm

re: #798 jamesfirecat

I dislike that lefty meme as much as I dislike the righty memes.

Economy was trending downward when Bush took office (tech bubble bursting), then 911 happened...

Can we please get some agreement that 911 damaged America a lot more than the tragic loss of life and horrible loss of property? And it didn't matter who the heck was in office at the time, there was going to be a huge net loss there?

Bush spent like a drunken sailor... damned right.
President Obama is spending money like a drunken sailor (tell me that's racist)... damned right.

911 is not the end all answer, but I can tell y'all one thing... We're gonna continue to suffer from that for a while. And whoever is in office is gonna be blamed. And at a point, it's just not fair anymore.

(rant off)

829 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:07:30pm

And now, for something completely different.

Catch y'all later.

830 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:07:51pm

Oh, and for the RECORD - Obama now owns the record for spending the most ever in the history of the country. During a recession. While 2 wars wind down.

831 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:07:52pm

CRE + Jimmy Carter + Bill Clinton (I think Reagan as well) + Sub-prime mortgages & Derivatives + 9/11 + Iraq + Afghanistan + Unions (Yes they had their time in the sun, but no longer...) + drunken congressional sailors spending on the stupidest crap evah = What we have now...and what is on it's way down the pike looks like complete fiscal stupidity. Full on voluntary unabashed stupidity.

I can't wait for the VAT! Woot.
/

832 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:08:29pm

re: #820 Racer X

For the record - they both suck.

Their maximum suckage velocity shifts from side to side periodically.

But make no mistake - they both suck.

For the record, I agree. I am not a Dem. However, I am also not fooled easily by lies which are easily fact checked. The GOP are some heavy spenders.

It is utter lie to claim that they are somehow the fiscally responsible ones when neither of them are.

833 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:08:46pm

re: #831 Oh no...Sand People!

Nothing is ever a Republicans fault, except maybe a little bit Reagan, eh?

Oh Rush, what have you done to us?!

834 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:09:09pm

re: #810 windsagio

Or, alternatively I'll reveal 2 extremely embarassing factoids about myself.

Good deal, imo.

come on, brookly, just make something up...i want to hear this...

835 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:09:14pm

re: #827 windsagio

Because he knows the answer, but is totally unwilling to admit the truth.

Yep. GOPers really hate the so called "liberal bias" of the truth. They would hate it less if they swallowed fewer lies from the GOP pundits.

836 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:09:46pm

re: #832 LudwigVanQuixote

And no forseeable party would be different either.

837 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:09:52pm

re: #828 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I dislike that lefty meme as much as I dislike the righty memes.

Economy was trending downward when Bush took office (tech bubble bursting), then 911 happened...

Can we please get some agreement that 911 damaged America a lot more than the tragic loss of life and horrible loss of property? And it didn't matter who the heck was in office at the time, there was going to be a huge net loss there?

Bush spent like a drunken sailor... damned right.
President Obama is spending money like a drunken sailor (tell me that's racist)... damned right.

911 is not the end all answer, but I can tell y'all one thing... We're gonna continue to suffer from that for a while. And whoever is in office is gonna be blamed. And at a point, it's just not fair anymore.

(rant off)

thank you

838 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:10:18pm

re: #828 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bush spent like a drunken sailor... damned right.
President Obama is spending money like a drunken sailor (tell me that's racist)... damned right.

Hold on their one minute.

I've known drunken sailors. When they run out of money they know enough to stop spending. These guys now are spending money their kids' kids' have not yet produced.

839 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:10:22pm

re: #833 windsagio

Nothing is ever a Republi cans fault, except maybe a little bit Reagan, eh?

Oh Rush, what have you done to us?!

Whoa...I know for a fact I typed George Bush before the 9/11 part... Charles must have a secret algorithm that removes his name.

/GBDS

840 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:10:43pm

re: #839 Oh no...Sand People!

Lol fair enough >>

841 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:10:54pm

re: #828 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I dislike that lefty meme as much as I dislike the righty memes.

Economy was trending downward when Bush took office (tech bubble bursting), then 911 happened...

Can we please get some agreement that 911 damaged America a lot more than the tragic loss of life and horrible loss of property? And it didn't matter who the heck was in office at the time, there was going to be a huge net loss there?

Bush spent like a drunken sailor... damned right.
President Obama is spending money like a drunken sailor (tell me that's racist)... damned right.

911 is not the end all answer, but I can tell y'all one thing... We're gonna continue to suffer from that for a while. And whoever is in office is gonna be blamed. And at a point, it's just not fair anymore.

(rant off)

My problem with Bush is the same if we talking money as it is if we talking politics. Iraq. We never, never, never, never should have been there. It cost lives, it cost money and it was totally and utterly retarded that we went there.

Does that make Bush worse than Obama, or better. I see no comparison. I just think it was a huge, huge mistake. Opinions vary. I think Obama makes mistakes all the time as well. Who doesn't?

842 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:10:59pm

You can't cut taxes and go to war at the same time and expect anything good to happen...

843 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:11:11pm

re: #825 LudwigVanQuixote

Of people who make war on my country, and fire weapons, damn straight.

But also irrelevant.

Why is this yes no question causing such a virulent response from you? I agree that massive deficits are terrible things and that we have spent ourselves into a major problem.

So who did the bulk of that deficit spending? Was it the GOP or the Dems?

well statistically Obama blew us out of the water but the Rs went along with it... why do you f'n care except to get your own rocks off? we are in deep shit & and we need to dig out...

844 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:11:29pm

re: #839 Oh no...Sand People!

Any blog would be better for such an algorithm. You'd have to figure out how to not filter out SR. tho'

845 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:11:56pm

re: #832 LudwigVanQuixote

For the record, I agree. I am not a Dem. However, I am also not fooled easily by lies which are easily fact checked. The GOP are some heavy spenders.

It is utter lie to claim that they are somehow the fiscally responsible ones when neither of them are.

For the record I am not a member of the GOP.

They both suck.

846 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:12:06pm

re: #828 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe a drunken sailor can be either white or a black skin tone, with varying degrees in between.
I think that President Obama is currently taking the blame, as the dip in the polls indicate.
Good evening, LGF. I just had a high school alum I don't know very well ream me out on Facebook for being against the recent decisions by the Texas School Board.
Hope you are all well.

847 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:12:07pm

re: #843 brookly red

Wow, so wrong. I think you need more pizza, maybe its blood sugar.

848 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:12:16pm

re: #831 Oh no...Sand People!

CRE + Jimmy Carter + Bill Clinton (I think Reagan as well) + Sub-prime mortgages & Derivatives + 9/11 + Iraq + Afghanistan + Unions (Yes they had their time in the sun, but no longer...) + drunken congressional sailors spending on the stupidest crap evah = What we have now...and what is on it's way down the pike looks like complete fiscal stupidity. Full on voluntary unabashed stupidity.

I can't wait for the VAT! Woot.
/

Agreed, just add both Bushes to that list as well and the GOP held congress periods as well as the Dem controlled ones.

Even the CATO INSTITUTE bout as far right a bunch of whacks ever to exist, and not know for honesty agrees that the Bush administration coupled with the GOP controlled congress was the worst spending since LBJ - and when adjusted for inflation, actually was worse than LBJ.

849 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:12:18pm

re: #815 brookly red

nice... to the man who "dances on still warm corpses" ? care to re consider?

No, I don't. Ludwig was behaving himself and you went and flamed him. I don't like flame wars and when you bait him, you start them. When Ludwig flings an insult, I admonish him as well.

850 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:13:17pm

But as for G.W. He spent like a chump. He worked out that pharmaceutical deal that was complete crap. I can't even remember the details, but it sucked... believe me. Then he waged the most worthless campaign for Social Security Privatization...completely not in the game on that at all.

And does anyone have ANY idea what the reason was behind the first 'bailout' he signed? I have yet to hear the 'real' answer.

851 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:13:36pm

re: #836 windsagio

And no forseeable party would be different either.

That too is correct. Politicians are cowardly critters and they have to purchase their popularity. The system really does not lend itself well to fiscal responsibility. The difference is in the priorities of where that cash gets spent.

852 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:13:50pm

re: #846 prairiefire

Good evening, LGF. I just had a high school alum I don't know very well ream me out on Facebook for being against the recent decisions by the Texas School Board.
Hope you are all well.

good grief

853 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:13:51pm

re: #843 brookly red

well statistically Obama blew us out of the water but the Rs went along with it... why do you f'n care except to get your own rocks off? we are in deep shit & and we need to dig out...

We need more stimulus. Purt sher of that.
/

854 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:13:52pm

re: #849 Dark_Falcon

No, I don't. Ludwig was behaving himself and you went and flamed him. I don't like flame wars and when you bait him, you start them. When Ludwig flings an insult, I admonish him as well.

I didn't flame him... I am bitching with him as we speak, it's not like he can't defend him self.

855 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:13:57pm

re: #834 Aceofwhat?

come on, brookly, just make something up...i want to hear this...

You know it!

856 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:14:08pm

re: #850 Oh no...Sand People!

Same reason as Obama continuing it?

Best reason: "The bailout is better than having our economy entirely collapse"

857 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:14:36pm

re: #855 Stanley Sea

If you and Ace do something really cool, I'll give you one!

858 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:15:18pm

It is not the government's mandate to create jobs.

859 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:16:09pm

re: #858 Racer X

Every president since Roosevelt, if they were being honest, would disagree. They only differ on the method.

860 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:16:36pm

My problem with the bailout is not that it happened. It's that it happened without binding and tying the bailed out organization into complete and utter submission. Without the bailout we were fucked, no doubt about it, but how the hell did these assholes get all of our money to do whatever they want without any major concessions?

Blows... my... mind. Elizabeth Warren for President.

861 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:16:51pm

re: #856 windsagio

Same reason as Obama continuing it?

Best reason: "The bailout is better than having our economy entirely collapse"

I agree to a point. But I remember hearing a talking point come out that said something about overseas credit was being liquidated or something by a group and if the 'stimulus' wasn't passed it would have killed the economy immediately...BUT *dons tinfoil hat* we never heard about 'what' that group was...

862 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:17:02pm

re: #850 Oh no...Sand People!

But as for G.W. He spent like a chump. He worked out that pharmaceutical deal that was complete crap. I can't even remember the details, but it sucked... believe me. Then he waged the most worthless campaign for Social Security Privatization...completely not in the game on that at all.

i'll bet you every cent in my 401k that my 401k outperforms social security returns for the next 30 years.

...not that there's anything in the social security fund except Dumb and Dumber IOU's...which one is for the Lamborghini again?

863 ~Fianna  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:17:32pm

re: #763 brookly red

well add on the sales tax, property tax, insurance tax, phone tax, energy tax, etc, etc, try 65% IF they have a good accountant.

Most of which aren't under Congressional control, anyway.

864 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:17:38pm

re: #860 Locker

My problem with the bailout is not that it happened. It's that it happened without binding and tying the bailed out organization into complete and utter submission. Without the bailout we were fucked, no doubt about it, but how the hell did these assholes get all of our money to do whatever they want without any major concessions?

Blows... my... mind. Elizabeth Warren for President.

She's been mentioned for Supreme Court, that's perhaps better.

865 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:17:46pm

re: #843 brookly red

well statistically Obama blew us out of the water but the Rs went along with it... why do you f'n care except to get your own rocks off? we are in deep shit & and we need to dig out...

I am starting to feel sorry for you. Would you care to bring some hard numbers to back that?

I am sure you are web scouring now for something to refute my contention that no, the GOP really does spend more than the Dems for the last 40 years. But you can't find it. The reason you can't is because it just isn't true that the GOP are somehow the fiscally responsible ones.

So stop dodging and answer the question.

Do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems?

866 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:18:04pm

re: #862 Aceofwhat?

i'll bet you every cent in my 401k that my 401k outperforms social security returns for the next 30 years.

...not that there's anything in the social security fund except Dumb and Dumber IOU's...which one is for the Lamborghini again?

Must be nice. Mine lost 80pct of it's value and my wife lost about 65pct over the last 5 years.

867 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:18:13pm

re: #857 windsagio

If you and Ace do something really cool, I'll give you one!

suggestions?

868 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:18:37pm

re: #865 LudwigVanQuixote

Brookly's numbers are about as real as his black, gun'totin' foreign girlfriend.


/oops did I say that outloud?

869 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:18:40pm

re: #864 Decatur Deb

She's been mentioned for Supreme Court, that's perhaps better.

I think they already took her off the short list. I got to be excited for about 2 days.

870 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:18:49pm

*BUY GOLD!


*/

871 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:19:02pm

re: #867 Aceofwhat?

Trade? I'll go two for one with either you or Stanley.

872 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:19:07pm

re: #847 windsagio

Wow, so wrong. I think you need more pizza, maybe its blood sugar.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

don't blame me...

873 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:19:12pm

Reason: You said abortion is murder. Should it be regulated by the state or should it be prohibited by the state?

Napolitano: Absolutely it should be prohibited, just the way all unjust killings are prohibited.

Reason: Should doctors go to prison as murderers?

Napolitano: Yes.

Reason: First-degree murder?

Napolitano: Yes.

Reason Magazine - March 2005

874 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:19:14pm

re: #859 windsagio

Every president since Roosevelt, if they were being honest, would disagree. They only differ on the method.

Private enterprise creates jobs. The government helps facilitate that. When the government reduces the role of private enterprise the outcome is not good.

875 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:19:59pm

re: #868 windsagio

Brookly's numbers are about as real as his black, gun'totin' foreign girlfriend.

/oops did I say that outloud?

WTF?

876 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:04pm

re: #872 brookly red

And of course we know why that is, right? Of course we do >>

877 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:05pm

re: #866 Locker

Must be nice. Mine lost 80pct of it's value and my wife lost about 65pct over the last 5 years.

80%??? Are you serious??? What in the hell were you holding (if that's not too personal...ignore if it is)?

878 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:10pm

re: #868 windsagio

Brookly's numbers are about as real as his black, gun'totin' foreign girlfriend.

/oops did I say that outloud?

Please don't go with something like that. Backhanding Brookly only makes things worse. Be civil, it makes the thread much better.

879 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:19pm

re: #860 Locker

My problem with the bailout is not that it happened. It's that it happened without binding and tying the bailed out organization into complete and utter submission. Without the bailout we were fucked, no doubt about it, but how the hell did these assholes get all of our money to do whatever they want without any major concessions?

Blows... my... mind. Elizabeth Warren for President.

There was an article in Vanity Fair where they had photos of the actual paperwork that was signed for the original bail out in 2008. All the large entities actually hand wrote the amounts the wanted with scribbles in the margins. Unbelievable. This was a was a major panic.

880 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:40pm

re: #869 Locker

I think they already took her off the short list. I got to be excited for about 2 days.

Try to hold her image in your mind the next time Palin speaks. It can't be done.

881 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:40pm

re: #860 Locker

My problem with the bailout is not that it happened. It's that it happened without binding and tying the bailed out organization into complete and utter submission. Without the bailout we were fucked, no doubt about it, but how the hell did these assholes get all of our money to do whatever they want without any major concessions?

Blows... my... mind. Elizabeth Warren for President.

I would have liked to see the banks broken up into smaller entities. There might still be hope for that yet. I think over the next few years we're going to see criminal and civil suits against the banks that were defrauding the country. We may see them broken up after all this is over.

882 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:43pm

re: #878 Dark_Falcon

True enough, I was just annoyed. I'll try to be good. Especially if Ace comes thru with something juicy :D

883 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:46pm

re: #874 Racer X

Private enterprise creates jobs. The government helps facilitate that. When the government reduces the role of private enterprise the outcome is not good.

Well, in California a big block of stimulus money does go to private enterprise through pubic works projects. Does that satisfy your conditions? Serious question just thinking about it.

884 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:20:51pm

re: #868 windsagio

Brookly's numbers are about as real as his black, gun'totin' foreign girlfriend.

/oops did I say that outloud?

I ain't waiting.

Here is embarrassing question number one.

When you look at a penis, whose face do you see on it.

885 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:21:32pm

re: #879 Stanley Sea

There was an article in Vanity Fair where they had photos of the actual paperwork that was signed for the original bail out in 2008. All the large entities actually hand wrote the amounts the wanted with scribbles in the margins. Unbelievable. This was a was a major panic.

My question: What, 100%, was the reason behind it?

I swear we are all in the dark about it.

886 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:21:35pm

re: #884 b_sharp

I... I've never thought of it before.

Damn, gimme something I can answer >>

887 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:21:36pm

re: #846 prairiefire

I believe a drunken sailor can be either white or a black skin tone, with varying degrees in between.
I think that President Obama is currently taking the blame, as the dip in the polls indicate.
Good evening, LGF. I just had a high school alum I don't know very well ream me out on Facebook for being against the recent decisions by the Texas School Board.
Hope you are all well.

Ahh inverted Pascal's wager. If they are right, they go to heaven and have no sex and sit and basically have the equivalent of a Baptist tent meeting for all eternity.

But you go to hell with people like Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Einstein, Feynman, Megan Fox, Jessica Alba, Scarlett Johanson, Natale Portman and the sweedish bikini team.

If they are wrong, we go to heaven with with people like Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Einstein, Feynman, Megan Fox, Jessica Alba, Scarlett Johanson, Natale Portman and the sweedish bikini team - and sex is allowed.

888 lazardo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:21:40pm

re: #878 Dark_Falcon

Please don't go with something like that. Backhanding Brookly only makes things worse. Be civil, it makes the thread much better.

FUCK THAT.

/ o:

889 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:21:47pm

re: #866 Locker

Must be nice. Mine lost 80pct of it's value and my wife lost about 65pct over the last 5 years.

WTF?

Did you sell when it was low?

Fire your advisor.

890 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:21:48pm

re: #877 Aceofwhat?

80%??? Are you serious??? What in the hell were you holding (if that's not too personal...ignore if it is)?

Van Kampen technology funds took the biggest hit. Her's was a bigger mix, different company and funds than mine.

891 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:22:00pm

re: #868 windsagio

Brookly's numbers are about as real as his black, gun'totin' foreign girlfriend.

/oops did I say that outloud?

actually you did & you meant it... It's cool and she is latin not black... but as always when you run out of facts you turn to personal attacks. That is why I left the Left... part 2346.

892 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:22:27pm

re: #871 windsagio

Trade? I'll go two for one with either you or Stanley.

I think you took care of my first impulse already.

893 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:22:30pm

re: #804 Racer X

Depends.

3 fingers for the mexican brown stuff; 2 fingers for the green stuff with buds; 1 finger if you want no stems and seeds; 1 gram if you want red hairs on the buds; purple hair stuff is about a thimble full.

In 1978.

Or so I was told.

Texas, 1988: $40 buys you a roughly-eyeballed half oz that usually weighs in at 16-18 grams if you know the seller well, 12-13 if you don't. It's good stuff, not some Mexican ditch-weed, but you've had better.

Texas, 2008: "a friend of mine" went on a date with an unnamed university professor (I'm told she bore a remarkable resemblance to Lisa Edelstein) who eventually decided they should go back to her place and partake of some of that kinda stuff. Long story short, My Friend learned that $40 will get you A GRAM OF "RELATIVELY DECENT" stuff these days. My, how things had changed in the decades since My Friend had been in that scene.

My Friend went on to note that this does not seem to be evidence of 'winning the drug war', and further wondered why the powers that be can't understand that legalizing it, regulating it, and taxing it would drive the bootleggers out of business overnight, just like the repeal of the 18th Amendment did, and would have the added benefit of creating tax revenue from purchasers, rather than tax expenditures from incarcerating them. But then again, My Friend is just some dumbass.

894 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:22:35pm

re: #871 windsagio

Trade? I'll go two for one with either you or Stanley.

i'd only disappoint. i'm quite tame in real life...

895 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:23:03pm

re: #883 Locker

Well, in California a big block of stimulus money does go to private enterprise through pubic works projects. Does that satisfy your conditions? Serious question just thinking about it.

Yes.

896 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:23:04pm

re: #862 Aceofwhat?

Lloyd: That's as good as money, sir. Those are I.O.U.'s. Go ahead and add it up, every cent's accounted for. Look, see this? That's a car. 275 thou. Might wanna hang onto that one...

897 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:23:07pm

re: #891 brookly red

OK, you made a mistake somewhere, because a few weeks ago you specifically claimed she was black. I'm sure a few other people remember it.

898 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:23:19pm

re: #883 Locker

Well, in California a big block of stimulus money does go to private enterprise through pubic works projects. Does that satisfy your conditions? Serious question just thinking about it.

California seems to be a more interesting place than I thought.

899 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:23:28pm

re: #868 windsagio

dude...

900 lazardo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:23:35pm

re: #893 negativ

Because then the druglords could go legit and not be prosecuted ex post facto?

/

901 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:24:08pm

re: #873 Linden Arden

Reason Magazine - March 2005

Which Napalitano?
/

902 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:24:18pm

re: #892 Stanley Sea

Good enough.

Do you want "How many hours of Anime does Windy own", or "the furry porn convention incident"?

903 brookly red  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:24:53pm

re: #872 brookly red

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

don't blame me...

now here I have some a-hole downdinging me for linking to ABCnews... and you wonder why people don't take this seriously? Sorry but that is what it has come to. Good night all.

904 ~Fianna  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:25:04pm

re: #819 negativ

~$720 million per day to stay in Iraq, for less than zero return on investment - Afghanistan's going down the tubes and Pakistan remains the most dangerous country on Earth. Of course, Ahmadinejad is possibly the world's most successful troll, so everyone is busy paying attention to Iran's potential nuke program. Meanwhile, Pakistan already has nukes, and is in a state of persistent instability that should scare the shit out of everyone on the planet, but somehow doesn't.

*Waves hand frantically* ME MEEEE IT scares the SHIT out of me. Of all the people who have or are likely to get nukes, the two that are most apt to use them are Pakistan and N. Korea.

So does Russia, for that matter. Russia is so not our friend.

905 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:25:18pm

re: #899 Aceofwhat?

It was a bit over the line, I acknowledge.

906 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:25:30pm

Bring it on!
Advance made in thin-film solar cell technology

Of some interest, researchers said, is that thin-film solar cells produced by applications such as this could ultimately be used in the creation of solar energy roofing systems. Conceptually, instead of adding solar panels on top of the roof of a residential or industrial building, the solar panel itself would become the roof, eliminating such traditional approaches as plywood and shingles.

"If we could produce roofing products that cost-effectively produced solar energy at the same time, that would be a game changer," Chang said. "Thin film solar cells are one way that might work. All solar applications are ultimately a function of efficiency, cost and environmental safety, and these products might offer all of that."

907 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:25:39pm

re: #898 Renaissance_Man

California seems to be a more interesting place than I thought.

Did I say it wrong? Sorry man I mean things like roads, bridges, the high speed rail project, etc.

908 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:25:39pm

re: #872 brookly red

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

don't blame me...

LOL stop dodging. We have a twelve trillion dollar deficit. Even assuming that your links numbers are correct, where did the other ten trillion come from? Don't forget to adjust for inflation now?

Do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems overall as shown by the history of the last 4-5 decades?

909 Racer X  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:25:46pm

I gotta go pee.

910 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:25:52pm

re: #901 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which Napalitano?
/

Andrew.

Some Libertarian.


Reason 2005

911 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:25:55pm

re: #885 Oh no...Sand People!

My question: What, 100%, was the reason behind it?

I swear we are all in the dark about it.

I certainly don't know. All I know is there was a major panic. Maybe the Dow going down 700 pts in one day & Bear Stearns eating it had to do with it. There are books and articles to devour.

912 ~Fianna  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:26:48pm

re: #861 Oh no...Sand People!

I agree to a point. But I remember hearing a talking point come out that said something about overseas credit was being liquidated or something by a group and if the 'stimulus' wasn't passed it would have killed the economy immediately...BUT *dons tinfoil hat* we never heard about 'what' that group was...

I was at a talk where David Frum said exactly that.

I believe the words he used were "we were on the brink of financial Armageddon"

913 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:26:48pm

re: #903 brookly red

now here I have some a-hole downdinging me for linking to ABCnews... and you wonder why people don't take this seriously? Sorry but that is what it has come to. Good night all.

NO you are getting downdinged for being intellectually dishonest.

914 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:26:56pm

re: #798 jamesfirecat

Well lets see under President Clinton (D) we were running a Budget Surplus and so we could have payed down our debt to zero. Then President Bush (R) took over and when he was done we were more in debt then when we started...

I think there's a trend here, but I'm not sure what it is...

PROJECTED budget surplus, projected is kinda important here, as in "not an actual budget surplus but we could have one in another year or two if everything keeps going perfectly."

I Kinda liked Clinton by the time he left office, mind you I didn't vote for him, but he was a decent President all in all. Still I am sick of hearing this particular meme, there was no actual budget surplus, just a projected one and congress was already squabbling about how to spend it before it ever materialized, which it in fact never did.

That didn't stop them from spending the money that in theory was "debt free" and therefore much easier to get approval to spend. Even if there had been an actual surplus it would have been spent long before it ever arrived at the treasury, so what?

The President is not the one responsible for allocating money, that would be Congress, look at the presidential budget proposals and what congress has actually approved for...ohh...the last 25 years.

915 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:27:10pm

re: #877 Aceofwhat?

80%??? Are you serious??? What in the hell were you holding (if that's not too personal...ignore if it is)?

We've come back about 55% since the dark, awful bottom.

916 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:27:41pm

re: #890 Locker

Van Kampen technology funds took the biggest hit. Her's was a bigger mix, different company and funds than mine.

that's tough, having your nest egg in a tech fund...not that everyone wasn't tempted to do the same in the 90s...

917 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:28:26pm

re: #912 ~Fianna

I was at a talk where David Frum said exactly that.

I believe the words he used were "we were on the brink of financial Armageddon"

But...but..what exactly does that translate too? It's driving me batty.

918 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:28:39pm

re: #902 windsagio

Good enough.

Do you want "How many hours of Anime does Windy own", or "the furry porn convention incident"?

Are you kidding? #2 Sir.

919 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:29:07pm

re: #916 Aceofwhat?

that's tough, having your nest egg in a tech fund...not that everyone wasn't tempted to do the same in the 90s...

I was in my early 30s when I set it up. You know how it is, aggressive when young...

920 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:29:24pm

re: #909 Racer X

I gotta go pee.

[Link: www.biorelief.com...]

921 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:29:30pm

re: #897 windsagio

OK, you made a mistake somewhere, because a few weeks ago you specifically claimed she was black. I'm sure a few other people remember it.

She's a dark Dominican. I'm sure her genealogy is fascinating. And she likes guns and the men who use them. Not to much talking, a tough Latina.

922 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:29:49pm

re: #906 Killgore Trout

Bring it on!
Advance made in thin-film solar cell technology

This is Good News. It would make solar panels cheaper and hopefully more efficient as well.

923 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:30:47pm

re: #916 Aceofwhat?

that's tough, having your nest egg in a tech fund...not that everyone wasn't tempted to do the same in the 90s...

Late into the tech fund game. My sympathies. I lost 10 grand in tech funds from 96-99.

924 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:30:48pm

re: #906 Killgore Trout

Bring it on!
Advance made in thin-film solar cell technology

Great link!

925 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:31:19pm

re: #910 Linden Arden

(that was a little jokey jokey there)

Choice Andrew/Janet...

926 ~Fianna  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:31:56pm

re: #917 Oh no...Sand People!

But...but..what exactly does that translate too? It's driving me batty.

I think what it translates to is that no one really liked the TARP, but without the bailouts, we would have been staring down the barrel of a complete collapse of the financial system, which would make just about everything else we could think to argue about academic.

927 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:32:04pm

re: #918 Stanley Sea

My friends are all furries (or ex-furries) and I used to go to Cons with them. Several of them are also, 'specialist' artists, if you get my drift. I for one was mainly going for the free booze at the parties tho'.

Anyways, one of them had a table and was selling gay bondage portfolios. Being the helpful person I am, I was like "Hey I'll help you put those together!"

Anyways, long story short, we spent a half hour in the hotel hallway sorting porn, with the hotel staff occasionally going by glancing over, looking horrified, and deciding not to say anything.


Good times for all!

928 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:32:51pm

re: #921 prairiefire

My point is that he dishonestly used her to score a point.

There's a pattern of that, just look at this thread.

929 compound idaho  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:32:55pm

re: #908 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL stop dodging. We have a twelve trillion dollar deficit. Even assuming that your links numbers are correct, where did the other ten trillion come from? Don't forget to adjust for inflation now?

Do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems overall as shown by the history of the last 4-5 decades?


So, do we tax and spend too much or too little?

930 Locker  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:33:09pm

re: #927 windsagio

My friends are all furries (or ex-furries) and I used to go to Cons with them. Several of them are also, 'specialist' artists, if you get my drift. I for one was mainly going for the free booze at the parties tho'.

Anyways, one of them had a table and was selling gay bondage portfolios. Being the helpful person I am, I was like "Hey I'll help you put those together!"

Anyways, long story short, we spent a half hour in the hotel hallway sorting porn, with the hotel staff occasionally going by glancing over, looking horrified, and deciding not to say anything.

Good times for all!

Fucking roleplayers! ;-)

931 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:33:34pm

re: #927 windsagio

I do picture you as the helpful type! hahaha

932 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:33:47pm

TARP was enacted to save the depositors - not the bank shareholders.

Citi was going down with over $1 trillion in deposits alone. The FDIC had less than $10 billion at the time.

Millions lined up at defunct banks would have created social unrest like we have never seen.

That is why LIBOR went from .025 to 5.5%.

As a fixed-income financial analyst I thought the end was near.

933 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:33:56pm

re: #908 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL stop dodging. We have a twelve trillion dollar deficit. Even assuming that your links numbers are correct, where did the other ten trillion come from? Don't forget to adjust for inflation now?

Do you believe that the GOP spends less than the Dems overall as shown by the history of the last 4-5 decades?

haha yeah, I am done with the fiction that the GOP is more sensible with money, it's just not true

934 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:34:23pm

re: #931 Stanley Sea

For the record, because that story didn't come out well, I don't know exactly, but I also own about 600 hours of various anime.

I'm actually more embarassed by that than by the porn story >>

935 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:34:23pm

re: #926 ~Fianna

I think what it translates to is that no one really liked the TARP, but without the bailouts, we would have been staring down the barrel of a complete collapse of the financial system, which would make just about everything else we could think to argue about academic.

At the time, I read a piece that essentially said that without them, all the lines of credit which businesses rely on would have essentially ended immediately. And that would mean that businesses would no longer have the money to operate on a day to day basis, because lines of credit are how many businesses operate. People would stop getting paychecks. Companies wouldn't be able to pay each other for goods and services. In other words, total chaos.

936 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:34:35pm

re: #926 ~Fianna

I think what it translates to is that no one really liked the TARP, but without the bailouts, we would have been staring down the barrel of a complete collapse of the financial system, which would make just about everything else we could think to argue about academic.

I am not disagreeing with you. I just want the concrete facts that show what the underpinning 'things' were that made the 'bailouts' necessary. There was an actual 'something' concrete, not just crap building up to it, but an actual 'immediate cause' that we were never told about, that they used as justification for it.

937 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:34:47pm

re: #915 prairiefire

We've come back about 55% since the dark, awful bottom.

Nice!

I'm class of 1998, so i didn't have much to lose in 2001, and i certainly went negative (even after contributions) until the broader market turned around last year, but through all the ups and downs, we'd all be way better off with our "security" in some ultra-safe mix of index funds and bonds.

938 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:35:38pm

re: #927 windsagio

My friends are all furries (or ex-furries) and I used to go to Cons with them. Several of them are also, 'specialist' artists, if you get my drift. I for one was mainly going for the free booze at the parties tho'.

Anyways, one of them had a table and was selling gay bondage portfolios. Being the helpful person I am, I was like "Hey I'll help you put those together!"

Anyways, long story short, we spent a half hour in the hotel hallway sorting porn, with the hotel staff occasionally going by glancing over, looking horrified, and deciding not to say anything.

Good times for all!

Key word: mainly

/hehe just joshin ya. You roll the way you roll.

939 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:35:48pm

re: #921 prairiefire

She's a dark Dominican. I'm sure her genealogy is fascinating. And she likes guns and the men who use them. Not to much talking, a tough Latina.

= "keeper"

940 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:36:22pm

re: #938 Oh no...Sand People!

:D I do! If I were furry I'd be totally unafraid to admit it, it gives me a certain kind of 'I have nothing to hide!' geek cred >>

941 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:36:28pm

re: #929 compound idaho

So, do we tax and spend too much or too little?

Nice partisan shot. Bottom line, the deficit has had a larger GOP contribution then Democratic one.

As to tax and spend, I agree that the Dems are like that. Unfortunately though, the GOP is just spend and spend.

942 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:36:34pm

re: #940 windsagio

*it would give me, PIMF.

943 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:36:34pm

re: #583 ausador

Any recipe I happen to post is free for anyone to use obviously, after all anyone can see it right?
I have no opinion on your cookbook proceeds, why should I have, seems like your own morality and conscience would dictate what was equatable and right, not a web poll. ;)

(what am I missing here?)

Ausador - The cookbook will be priced at $5 over cost.
This will result in a "profit" from sales.
For the last cookbook, we split the profit - 50% to LGF, 50% to Soldier's Angels.

I'm taking a poll to see how people want the profits from this book distributed. It's not my book. The book is the LGF community's book. Therefore, the LGF community should have a say in how the profits are distributed, I think.

If you don't want to vote, fine with me.

944 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:36:56pm

re: #935 Renaissance_Man

At the time, I read a piece that essentially said that without them, all the lines of credit which businesses rely on would have essentially ended immediately. And that would mean that businesses would no longer have the money to operate on a day to day basis, because lines of credit are how many businesses operate. People would stop getting paychecks. Companies wouldn't be able to pay each other for goods and services. In other words, total chaos.

Ok, I get that part...but what caused that? Why?

945 laZardo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:37:06pm

re: #927 windsagio

My friends are all furries (or ex-furries) and I used to go to Cons with them. Several of them are also, 'specialist' artists, if you get my drift. I for one was mainly going for the free booze at the parties tho'.

Anyways, one of them had a table and was selling gay bondage portfolios. Being the helpful person I am, I was like "Hey I'll help you put those together!"

Anyways, long story short, we spent a half hour in the hotel hallway sorting porn, with the hotel staff occasionally going by glancing over, looking horrified, and deciding not to say anything.


Good times for all!

Now there's two of you here!? INFESTATION!

/ D8

946 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:37:07pm

re: #933 WindUpBird

haha yeah, I am done with the fiction that the GOP is more sensible with money, it's just not true

Its laughable.

The GOP is so bad that I almost want to believe the "Starve the Beast" theory.

947 windsagio  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:37:48pm

re: #945 laZardo

well counting you and WUB. I'm more of a... I'd rather not say.

948 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:38:02pm

re: #927 windsagio

great story!

949 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:38:28pm

re: #936 Oh no...Sand People!

I am not disagreeing with you. I just want the concrete facts that show what the underpinning 'things' were that made the 'bailouts' necessary. There was an actual 'something' concrete, not just crap building up to it, but an actual 'immediate cause' that we were never told about, that they used as justification for it.

Do you think something was "suspicious"? Sounds kinda like you listened to Rush today. Please don't get offended If I'm incorrect, but that's was his theme today - Obama's "henchmen" made the collapse happen to win the election.

950 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:38:53pm

re: #945 laZardo

Now there's two of you here!? INFESTATION!

/ D8

Course of Empire: Infested!

Yeah BABY!!!

951 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:39:08pm

re: #929 compound idaho

We tax and spend too much. People should keep more of the money that THEY earn.

952 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:40:47pm

re: #935 Renaissance_Man

At the time, I read a piece that essentially said that without them, all the lines of credit which businesses rely on would have essentially ended immediately. And that would mean that businesses would no longer have the money to operate on a day to day basis, because lines of credit are how many businesses operate. People would stop getting paychecks. Companies wouldn't be able to pay each other for goods and services. In other words, total chaos.

for many companies, that ended up happening anyway. one of the saddest parts for me about this particular recession is that it affected business who were doing perfectly well and chugging along...all of a sudden credit gets yanked out from under them, and they withered. really sad stuff.

953 laZardo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:40:52pm

re: #946 Linden Arden

The GOP is so bad that I almost want to believe the "Starve the Beast" theory.

The one that explains our currently flaccid economy?

954 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:41:36pm

re: #949 Stanley Sea

Do you think something was "suspicious"? Sounds kinda like you listened to Rush today. Please don't get offended If I'm incorrect, but that's was his theme today - Obama's "henchmen" made the collapse happen to win the election.

Actually no. But I do know for a fact that something 'suspicious' happened that caused moron McCain to suspend his Presidential bid, and some B.S. about 'credit' etc. And we NEVER got an actual concrete answer as to the 'why'. I want names, numbers, and stats.

But questioning authority is so G.W. I s'pose.

955 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:42:16pm

The other half beckons...later all.

*removes tinfoil hat*

956 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:43:32pm

re: #954 Oh no...Sand People!

Actually no. But I do know for a fact that something 'suspicious' happened that caused moron McCain to suspend his Presidential bid, and some B.S. about 'credit' etc. And we NEVER got an actual concrete answer as to the 'why'. I want names, numbers, and stats.

But questioning authority is so G.W. I s'pose.

Cool. Again, there is a ton of stuff to read, I think the answer can be found. Elizabeth Warren is a good place to start.

McCain? He panicked.

957 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:43:38pm

re: #949 Stanley Sea

Do you think something was "suspicious"? Sounds kinda like you listened to Rush today. Please don't get offended If I'm incorrect, but that's was his theme today - Obama's "henchmen" made the collapse happen to win the election.

sheesh. that's dumber than saying Bush did it.

958 compound idaho  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:44:39pm

re: #951 Floral Giraffe

We tax and spend too much. People should keep more of the money that THEY earn.

Yea I'm with you, but it seems like we are losing the debate.

959 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:45:25pm

re: #957 Aceofwhat?

sheesh. that's dumber than saying Bush did it.

Oh, you need to hear the clip. Or maybe not. Throwing out that type of accusation to again diminish our democratic process. We are hitting new heights of crazy.

960 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:45:38pm

re: #944 Oh no...Sand People!

Ok, I get that part...but what caused that? Why?

Again, I don't have any immediate links to back this up, just my memory of what I read at the time. So I could be anywhere from a little wrong to a lot.

However, my understanding is that a couple of the large financial firms, notably Bear Stearns and Goldman Sachs, had simply bought too much bad debt. I'm no finance guy, but I read that too much of their financial portfolios were based on smoke and mirrors - fake money, debts that couldn't be repaid, money that in the end didn't exist. And their creditors, the international money funds that their own lines of credit draw from, wouldn't extend those lines of credit any more, leading to their collapse.

In the end, too much of the money was fake money. And they couldn't sustain illusionary money forever.

961 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:45:58pm

Credit was completely frozen in Oct 2008.

Treasury measures the velocity of money movement electronically. Hank Paulson was throwing up every day. (its in his book)

962 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:46:12pm

re: #736 negativ

That stupid-ass meme irritates the shit out of me. Yes, people can and do make idiotic comparisons to the Nazis (c.f. lots of Tea Partiers, lots of GWB-era war protesters) but I can't think of a better way to avoid the lessons of history than having system that ensures one will be mocked and shouted down every time ones tries to remind people what that particular chunk of history might have smelled like.

Thank you! My point entirely.

963 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:47:00pm

re: #959 Stanley Sea

Oh, you need to hear the clip. Or maybe not. Throwing out that type of accusation to again diminish our democratic process. We are hitting new heights of crazy.

blech. i'll take your word for it. actually hearing it would harsh my buzz...

964 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:47:01pm

re: #733 jamesfirecat

Yeah being poor is so gosh darn amazing in this country with all the food stamps and ER visits you could ask for!

Well said!

965 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:47:10pm

re: #932 Linden Arden

So you were sweating it out, just like those floor guys grabbing their receding hair lines. I saw GWB's face turn ashen white while at the mic in Sept. 2008:[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

966 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:49:14pm

re: #958 compound idaho

We just need to keep harping on it! The government spending is NOT what made America great, and the tax mandates aren't helping small business.
Small business growth is where the jobs are, that will put people back to work, and turn our economy around.
*steps off soapbox*

967 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:50:55pm

re: #966 Floral Giraffe

We just need to keep harping on it! The government spending is NOT what made America great, and the tax mandates aren't helping small business.
Small business growth is where the jobs are, that will put people back to work, and turn our economy around.
*steps off soapbox*

You just need to remember your Churchill!

We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

968 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:51:23pm

re: #965 prairiefire

So you were sweating it out, just like those floor guys grabbing their receding hair lines. I saw GWB's face turn ashen white while at the mic in Sept. 2008:[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

I went to Bank of America and cleaned my accounts out except for $50.


When Congress is talking about martial law you know its serious.

969 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:52:08pm

re: #966 Floral Giraffe

Some government spending is. Rural electrification, the transcontinental railroad, the state Universities-- these are all things that were government spending and helped to make America great.

970 compound idaho  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:52:12pm

re: #966 Floral Giraffe

We just need to keep harping on it! The government spending is NOT what made America great, and the tax mandates aren't helping small business.
Small business growth is where the jobs are, that will put people back to work, and turn our economy around.
*steps off soapbox*

What the hell get back up. I'll listen

971 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:54:19pm

re: #969 Obdicut

Some government spending is. Rural electrification, the transcontinental railroad, the state Universities-- these are all things that were government spending and helped to make America great.

Postal system, highways and freeways.

972 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 6:59:09pm

re: #969 Obdicut

Some government spending is. Rural electrification, the transcontinental railroad, the state Universities-- these are all things that were government spending and helped to make America great.

it's a good point. spending is not evil per se.

973 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:00:40pm

re: #969 Obdicut

Some government spending is. Rural electrification, the transcontinental railroad, the state Universities-- these are all things that were government spending and helped to make America great.

Well, OK, you can have a little bit of my money for taxes.

974 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:00:43pm

re: #972 Aceofwhat?

Especially government spending that saves money down the road. I like that kind.

975 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:01:28pm

re: #974 Obdicut

Especially government spending that saves money down the road. I like that kind.

For example? I'm not being snarky, trying to learn from you...

976 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:05:08pm

re: #951 Floral Giraffe

We tax and spend too much. People should keep more of the money that THEY earn.

That would be fine if your "ancestors" hadn't decided that you should be paying more in taxes to fund "social net" programs. Now that we have already spent the money you want to renig on your commitment to repay the government. :p

977 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:06:06pm

re: #975 Floral Giraffe

Well, for example, paying for mental health services. A lot of cops time is taken up with arresting homeless people who are mentally ill. Cops cost quite a lot of money-- not to mention that there is much more serious crime to be addressed

[Link: www.redorbit.com...]

Or, for example, food stamps. Food stamps are fucking awesome. They not only ensure that most of the money stays in the US, but they are a vital part of keeping many families from homelessness. Almost anything that can be done to prevent people from becoming homeless saves quite a lot of money.

And, of course, single payer health insurance would be a great way to save money, but the GOP has successfully claimed that the US is such a stupid and greedy nation that we're not capable of doing what every other first world nation could do.

978 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:08:40pm

re: #975 Floral Giraffe

For example? I'm not being snarky, trying to learn from you...

Government spending has a role. Not everything can be done by the free market - the free market's goal is to make a profit, and that's not immoral in any way. However, some things just don't make a profit, yet they are necessary to the functioning of a modern, civilised society. Typically these are infrastructure; roads, electricity, sewage, and so forth. Private companies can often manage these things once built, but the building of the infrastructure, especially to sparsely populated areas, will never turn a profit. Ergo, private companies won't, and should not, do them. This then is the role of government spending.

What we then need to determine is what sort of things our society needs that private enterprise cannot provide, because it doesn't turn a profit. In the context of recent politics, I believe health care to be one of these. It's not the only one, but I think it's as essential as roads, electricity, and the post office. And it has equally little margin for profit.

979 webevintage  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:13:26pm

re: #932 Linden Arden

TARP was enacted to save the depositors - not the bank shareholders.
Citi was going down with over $1 trillion in deposits alone. The FDIC had less than $10 billion at the time.
Millions lined up at defunct banks would have created social unrest like we have never seen.
That is why LIBOR went from .025 to 5.5%.
As a fixed-income financial analyst I thought the end was near.

How soon we forget....

980 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:18:01pm

The only way I see the GOP assisting small businesses is with tax breaks in one hand, and favors for big business (the alternative government) in the other hand to help big business crush the competition. Who the hell cares what these people have to say about "free markets", they don't even know what it means anymore, if they ever did.

981 enigma3535  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:29:57pm

Live blogging this clip ... Pls pardon the spelling ...

Freedom what on Fox news? err , OK ... "Watch."

New world order ... world gov't ... carbon taxes .... evil terrorists ... Ron Paul?

There could be a "bingo game" here ...

Global "new deal"? WTF?

Absolutely ... London Telegraph says so [aparently}.

World gov't run by private banks ... allegedly refered to in some other documents ...

Whatever ... blood pssures are being raised owing to something someone said in Beijing ...

There was a mtg ... in China, where there was some Premier who gave some interview.

Chinese support for supporting gov't securities that H Clinton said something about ...

segue into some thing about a world currency ... not sure what the 2 are saying at this point ...

there appears to be a contradiction of points .... Glen Beck .. Lou Dobbs ...

Lots of people talking about what apears to be crazy shite ... that is actually somehow meaningful ...

9th and 10th amendments ... Washington is run by offshore banks ...

all that crazy shite appears to be nicely said ...

Chinese govt has a great human rights record according to H clinton

Blah, blah-blah, blah blah ... Obama derangement cindrom ... bankrupt the country is his faulkt ... agenda ... its been a pleasure ... something from Thomas Jefferson that appears to have been taken out of context ... the end ... : )

Pls pardon the spelling ...

982 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:53:39pm

re: #957 Aceofwhat?

sheesh. that's dumber than saying Bush did it.

Bush was 'the' Obama henchman.

983 ryannon  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 8:12:32pm

re: #969 Obdicut

Some government spending is. Rural electrification, the transcontinental railroad, the state Universities-- these are all things that were government spending and helped to make America great.

China too!

Can you say New World Order?

Connect the dots.

984 Macha  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:04:57pm

re: #977 Obdicut

Well, for example, paying for mental health services. A lot of cops time is taken up with arresting homeless people who are mentally ill. Cops cost quite a lot of money-- not to mention that there is much more serious crime to be addressed

[Link: www.redorbit.com...]

Or, for example, food stamps. Food stamps are fucking awesome. They not only ensure that most of the money stays in the US, but they are a vital part of keeping many families from homelessness. Almost anything that can be done to prevent people from becoming homeless saves quite a lot of money.

And, of course, single payer health insurance would be a great way to save money, but the GOP has successfully claimed that the US is such a stupid and greedy nation that we're not capable of doing what every other first world nation could do.

Your first example about mental health services is right on except it is not just the cops that cost. A mentally ill person is arrested and jailed. Now our taxes must pay for the Dr.'s and nurses to treat them while incarcerated, the courts time, judges and ancillary personnel, attorneys etc. The list goes on and on. Our jails have become very large mental health treatment centers which cost far far more than having a decent accessible mental health system. In Calif. Ronald Reagan destroyed a functional state hospital system for the seriously mentally ill in the late sixties. He set up the community mental health system, which only moved the cost of treatment from the state to the counties. It placed thousands of severely mentally ill persons in the coummunities and into board and care homes where supervision was minimal and treatment consisted of medication and little else. Patients could be "managed" as the first of the anti-psychotic medications were made available. Since then, huge numbers of mentally ill in Calif. have found their way into the criminal justice system as Community Mental Health has disintegrated. It has cost a fortune for the tax payers and only continues to get worse.

985 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:46:08pm

re: #984 Macha

Thank you.

And once the Great Prevaricator took office as president, he was largely responsible for doing the same thing on a nationwide basis.

The explosion of mentally ill bag ladies and ranting, untreated, homeless psychos on the streets of America was a direct result.

Thanks, Gipper. Rot in pieces.

986 vinnievin  Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:27:07am

I am about as centrist as one could get, since I can't find a spot farther away from both parties ... I come here mostly for the links.

I am wondering how long the doctor said to wear the neck brace to treat the whiplash this site went through a couple of months ago.


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