The vitriol heaped upon Mr. Goldberg at his blog is beyond the pale.

Go fuck yourself Bernie!

An epic performance - To be so relevant and funny at the same time is just true talent (and a good writing staff helping him out)...

Fine to have him admit he is not fair and balanced...

i made the mistake of watching this at work earlier. people were confused by the laughter.

re: #1 MandyManners

The vitriol heaped upon Mr. Goldberg at his blog is beyond the pale.

But still deserved.... The guy is a twit and never amounted to much at CBS so it became more profitable to become a hack and hero to those who watch Fox News....

re: #4 Buck

Fine to have him admit he is not fair and balanced...

The point is Jon never said he was - but this was much more fair (but not balanced) than what Bernie spreads at Fox...

The guy with the sunglasses in the choir at the end can't stop laughing.

Gay...pot...marriage!!

"it takes a tough man to walk into o'reilly's lions den and criticize liberal elites"

I have not moved out of the Comedians' Box into the News Box. The News Box is movin' towards me.

A quote for the ages.

re: #9 sanfranciscozionist

Hope your interview today went well.
No need to tell. Just hoping for you!

the last 25 seconds of that was comedy gold

Good night.

re: #12 Floral Giraffe

Hope your interview today went well.
No need to tell. Just hoping for you!

It was a good one. I should hear early next week.

re: #14 MandyManners

Good night.

Night, Mandy.

re: #14 MandyManners

Good night.

How the hell does one get a downding for saying good night? Odd some folks are, just odd.

re: #17 The Shadow Do

How the hell does one get a downding for saying good night? Odd some folks are, just odd.

Well, it WAS Spacejuses, and odd, doesn't begin to describe that.
He has fans, and nonfans.

"i know criticize Fox News a lot, but that's only because you're truly a terrible, cynical and disingenuous new organization"

re: #15 sanfranciscozionist

It was a good one. I should hear early next week.

Apparently they got 120 applications, called in four of us to interview. They'll either pick someone outright, or have two of us do a sample lesson.

re: #1 MandyManners

The vitriol heaped upon Mr. Goldberg at his blog is beyond the pale.

Agreed.

re: #17 The Shadow Do

How the hell does one get a downding for saying good night? Odd some folks are, just odd.

LOL!
He got you too!
He'll probably get me for my accidental typo of his name, too!
LOL!

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Well, it WAS Spacejuses, and odd, doesn't begin to describe that.
He has fans, and nonfans.

And some sometimes fans.
This not being one of those times.

I'M TELLIN YOU BERNIE!

re: #20 sanfranciscozionist

May I ask why you are changing? No need to answer if not appropriate.

Pure comedic genius. He's not a musical guy and he doesn't really do much theatrical comedy but he nails this bit.
Fox news spends its time battling comics? I don't recall Tom Brokaw calling out Andy Kauffman.

re: #20 sanfranciscozionist

Apparently they got 120 applications, called in four of us to interview. They'll either pick someone outright, or have two of us do a sample lesson.

WOOHOO! 4/120 is good odds for you!
WOOHOO!

I have not moved out of the Comedians' Box into the News Box. The News Box is movin' towards me.

Quoted for truth.

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Got eliminated with less enrollment for next year.
And was low man on the totem pole.
F'awesome with the kids, just no $.

re: #29 Floral Giraffe

Got eliminated with less enrollment for next year.
And was low man on the totem pole.
F'awesome with the kids, just no $.

whoa.

Good luck SFZ.

re: #17 The Shadow Do

How the hell does one get a downding for saying good night? Odd some folks are, just odd.

Because SpaceJesus can be an ass sometimes.

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Well, it WAS Spacejuses, and odd, doesn't begin to describe that.
He has fans, and nonfans.

Hmm, allrightyroo...

Spacejesus, you dink, please explain.

re: #25 Stanley Sea

May I ask why you are changing? No need to answer if not appropriate.

Jobs? The incoming freshman class is small, so they won't have a gig for me in the fall.

A pity. I love the school.

the old saying used to be "don't mess with a man who buys ink by the barrel."
the new saying seems to be "don't mess with jon stewart"

LMAO!

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Well, it WAS Spacejuses, and odd, doesn't begin to describe that.
He has fans, and nonfans.

It's like abused kids.

They grow up and do the same thing to others.

re: #4 Buck

Fine to have him admit he is not fair and balanced...

That's the point.
Stewart never said he or his show is "fair and balanced"...

Fox News, you're the lupus of news!

re: #32 The Shadow Do

Hmm, allrightyroo...

Spacejesus, you dink, please explain.

Mandy's accent. He can even hear it from Space.

re: #29 Floral Giraffe

Got eliminated with less enrollment for next year.
And was low man on the totem pole.
F'awesome with the kids, just no $.

Just happened to my buddy's wife. Chin up fella, you'll land on your feet.

Did that sophisticated guy just rip a fart?

FYI, Goldberg came back w/ a rebuttal

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

FTA: "Man the Hell up"

I hated FOX news before it was popular here to do so.
I am so glad Jon has found new material; 2 years of 'Bush is stupid' really got to me.
We have two parties. It seems like they both suck.

I hope the one in power now knows what it is doing.

re: #41 Racer X

Did that sophisticated guy just rip a fart?

Yes, with his porcelain tea cup in one hand.

re: #1 MandyManners

The vitriol heaped upon Mr. Goldberg at his blog is beyond the pale.

And the hundreds of thousands of comments in the thousands of articles/threads/blogs on the rest of the Fox empire of websites (FoxNews, FoxNation, FoxBusiness, etc.)... what about those?

Tell me, have you or Bernie addressed those?

re: #38 Virginia Plain

Image: hugh-laurie-new-movie.jpg

I did enjoy the point about how his audience is both elitist and unsophisticated. Goes back to the old liberal-controlled-this and liberal-controlled-that. But by the way, those liberals are also idiots.

Watch Fox News and you would think that those dumbass liberals are in charge of everything on the planet. But if they are so damn stupid, then why are they in charge of everything? (probably just a conspiracy.)

You know, I can deal with a stupid argument. Just be consistent. (Most of my friends are liberals, and most are very smart. Generalization chaps my ass.)

re: #42 eastsider

FYI, Goldberg came back w/ a rebuttal

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

FTA: "Man the Hell up"

What a joke. He brings up Frank Rich again. Didn't Jon say in the skit above that it was in 2006 when he last had Rich on? (then showed the several Kristol interviews)

OK. That was funny.

re: #47 Soap_Man

I did enjoy the point about how his audience is both elitist and unsophisticated. Goes back to the old liberal-controlled-this and liberal-controlled-that. But by the way, those liberals are also idiots.

Watch Fox News and you would think that those dumbass liberals are in charge of everything on the planet. But if they are so damn stupid, then why are they in charge of everything? (probably just a conspiracy.)

You know, I can deal with a stupid argument. Just be consistent. (Most of my friends are liberals, and most are very smart. Generalization chaps my ass.)

I agree to some extent, but I also feel that Bernie Goldberg hasn't engaged in journalistic malpractice, and Stewart's attacks on him have been over-the-top. Put me down as a member of Team Goldberg in this confrontation.

re: #42 eastsider

FYI, Goldberg came back w/ a rebuttal

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

FTA: "Man the Hell up"

Bernie is out of his league.

and I like Bernie.

As much as I dislike Fox News, for Stewart to call out anyone for being cynical is the pot calling the kettle black. He's one of the most cynical men on the air.

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I agree to some extent, but I also feel that Bernie Goldberg hasn't engaged in journalistic malpractice, and Stewart's attacks on him have been over-the-top. Put me down as a member of Team Goldberg in this confrontation.

The thing is Dark, Goldberg is the Journalist, Stewart the comedian/satirist.

Shouldn't be a match. Period. Goldberg is a fool to keep it going imo.

re: #43 swamprat

We have two parties. It seems like they both suck.

I hope the one in power now knows what it is doing.

Both do suck. And sadly, the one in power now is just as bad as the one in power before them.

re: #47 Soap_Man

I did enjoy the point about how his audience is both elitist and unsophisticated. Goes back to the old liberal-controlled-this and liberal-controlled-that. But by the way, those liberals are also idiots.

Watch Fox News and you would think that those dumbass liberals are in charge of everything on the planet. But if they are so damn stupid, then why are they in charge of everything? (probably just a conspiracy.)

You know, I can deal with a stupid argument. Just be consistent. (Most of my friends are liberals, and most are very smart. Generalization chaps my ass.)

This isn't about consistency. People throw whatever they can at the people they don't like.

re: #53 Stanley Sea

The thing is Dark, Goldberg is the Journalist, Stewart the comedian/satirist.

Shouldn't be a match. Period. Goldberg is a fool to keep it going imo.

Absolutely. Stewart will win this spat.

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I agree to some extent, but I also feel that Bernie Goldberg hasn't engaged in journalistic malpractice, and Stewart's attacks on him have been over-the-top. Put me down as a member of Team Goldberg in this confrontation.

Fair enough, but that comment was more general, not really a Stewert v. Goldberg thing. You know, the whole idea that liberals are smart enough to be capable of these vast global conspiracies, but also so stupid they can't even feed themselves.

Make a decision Fox News. Either they are villains so clever they are worthy of a James Bond film or they can't tie their own shoes without shitting their pants. It can't be both.

re: #56 Racer X

Absolutely. Stewart will win this spat.

I actually heard a Bill O'Reilly promo today "And tonight, more on the Jon Stewart blah blah"

Pitiful.

re: #53 Stanley Sea

The thing is Dark, Goldberg is the Journalist, Stewart the comedian/satirist.

Shouldn't be a match. Period. Goldberg is a fool to keep it going imo.

Most likely his blood is up. It's anger that drives him to respond. There is also the fact that Fox News does get viewers by feuding with Stewart.

re: #53 Stanley Sea

The thing is Dark, Goldberg is the Journalist, Stewart the comedian/satirist.

Shouldn't be a match. Period. Goldberg is a fool to keep it going imo.

Yeah, but I feel Stewert hides behind that too much. One day he demands to be taken seriously, then when the criticism rolls in, he pulls the whole "but I'm just a silly guy on a comedy channel" routine.

re: #53 Stanley Sea

The thing is Dark, Goldberg is the Journalist, Stewart the comedian/satirist.

Shouldn't be a match. Period. Goldberg is a fool to keep it going imo.

That's the key thing. Arguing with Jon Stewart is just foolish. A real journalist should laugh it off and keep going.

re: #61 sanfranciscozionist

Question is... what is a "real" journalist doing working for Fox News?

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I agree to some extent, but I also feel that Bernie Goldberg hasn't engaged in journalistic malpractice, and Stewart's attacks on him have been over-the-top. Put me down as a member of Team Goldberg in this confrontation.

this is not journalism in any way shape or form: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Bernie Goldberg has no credibility, he's a partisan hack, and it is hilarious and deeply, deely satisfying to watch Stewart smack him around like a limp dick.

I mean:

On July 13, 2005, Goldberg appeared on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart to promote the book. Stewart criticized the list for suggesting that liberals who do not hold positions of power, such as Barbra Streisand, were responsible for problems in America, while conservatives who held powerful positions in the Bush Administration or Republican Congress were not held responsible for anything.

ELL

OH ELL

re: #60 Soap_Man

Yeah, but I feel Stewert hides behind that too much. One day he demands to be taken seriously, then when the criticism rolls in, he pulls the whole "but I'm just a silly guy on a comedy channel" routine.

Have not heard him ask to be taken seriously.

Although I have heard him nail it so well that as a result people do take him seriously.

re: #62 freetoken

Question is... what is a "real" journalist doing working for Fox News?

They have some. You can tell by reading a foxnews.com article that the bullshit is coming from the editor, not the reporter.

It takes a keen eye, but if you pay enough attention you will notice it.

The difference between the guys at Foxnews and Jon Stewart is that Stewart is - and openly admits to being - a clown. He is funny. Thats what he does.

Never argue with a clown. You'll just end up with a lemon meringue pie in your face.

Never a good idea to take on a comedian. Remember RuPaul? I think his 15 minnutes ended once upon a time when he tried to make a senile Uncle Milty look bad at an MTV award show. Berle realizes Rupaul is going off script and tries to warn him off. Berle had barely started the engine when Rupaul baked down ignominiously (when's the last time you saw the word "ignominious?). Goldberg just can't win.

never argue with the fool, a casual observer may not be able to tell the difference.

~Twain (?)

re: #64 Stanley Sea

Have not heard him ask to be taken seriously.

Although I have heard him nail it so well that as a result people do take him seriously.

That's the satirist's job!

re: #68 eastsider

Just put 'often attributed to' ;)

re: #64 Stanley Sea

Have not heard him ask to be taken seriously.

Although I have heard him nail it so well that as a result people do take him seriously.

He's never said it, but it is implied based on the weight of the subjects he tackles. Take the Jim Cramer interview as an example. It's not meant to be funny. He's not being a comedian. He's trying, in that moment, to be a serious man taking on a serious subject.

And that's fine with me. Just don't pull out the tired "I'm a comedian" shield when the shit gets thrown back at him.

re: #67 stevemcg

Never a good idea to take on a comedian. Remember RuPaul? I think his 15 minnutes ended once upon a time when he tried to make a senile Uncle Milty look bad at an MTV award show. Berle realizes Rupaul is going off script and tries to warn him off. Berle had barely started the engine when Rupaul baked down ignominiously (when's the last time you saw the word "ignominious?). Goldberg just can't win.

15 minutes? Uhhh, RuPaul has his own TV show.

'Nite, all. (Don't ding me, Bro.)

re: #71 Soap_Man

He's never said it, but it is implied based on the weight of the subjects he tackles. Take the Jim Cramer interview as an example. It's not meant to be funny. He's not being a comedian. He's trying, in that moment, to be a serious man taking on a serious subject.

And that's fine with me. Just don't pull out the tired "I'm a comedian" shield when the shit gets thrown back at him.

It's not a shield, it's called having real credibility as a satirist and an interviewer

orrrr how about:

"That, of course, is the great secret of the successful fool - that he is no fool at all."

~Asimov

re: #72 WindUpBird

I spend a time every night with S telling me about "Drag Race", well when its going.

re: #73 Decatur Deb

just for that I"m going up and helping the Jesus :P

re: #76 windsagio

I spend a time every night with S telling me about "Drag Race", well when its going.

They kicked off everyone I liked :(

re: #66 Racer X

The difference between the guys at Foxnews and Jon Stewart is that Stewart is - and openly admits to being - a clown, while the clowns on Fox news are still in the closet. He is funny. Thats what he does.

Never argue with a clown. You'll just end up with a lemon meringue pie in your face.

fixed that fer ya

re: #78 WindUpBird

I don't have TV, so.

re: #80 windsagio

so second hand is better, cropped myself somehow >

re: #73 Decatur Deb

You made me do it. You can spare it. xxoo

re: #76 windsagio

I spend a time every night with S telling me about "Drag Race", well when its going.

I watched a couple of the shows. Didn't see who won in the end, but it was great.

re: #74 WindUpBird

It's not a shield, it's called having real credibility as a satirist and an interviewer

The key word is "real." Again, if he wants to be "real" don't hide behind being a comedian. You can't have it both ways.

Look, I like Jon Stewart. But if there is anything you can criticism him for, that it it.

alright....last one:

"This fellow is wise enough to play the fool;
And to do that craves a kind of wit."

-Twelfth Night

re: #83 Stanley Sea

One of our friends is the 'report on the really trashy reality TV shows friend'. Its fun without hte pain of watching them >>

re: #57 Soap_Man

Fair enough, but that comment was more general, not really a Stewert v. Goldberg thing. You know, the whole idea that liberals are smart enough to be capable of these vast global conspiracies, but also so stupid they can't even feed themselves.

Make a decision Fox News. Either they are villains so clever they are worthy of a James Bond film or they can't tie their own shoes without shitting their pants. It can't be both.

The basic problem with stereotyping between liberals and conservatives is that both groups want to portray their enemy as being, at the same time, undeservedly prosperous, and pathetically unsuccessful. I think that the Right has gone further toward meshing the two successfully, in the image of the spoiled trust-fund anti-war protester, but the images remain difficult to reconcile. We keep both in our quivers though, because they both ring bells in the American mind.

re: #72 WindUpBird

Really???? Must be making a comeback, but VH1 is no Bravo. Didn't see or hear of him for a long time. Probably learned his lesson.

re: #58 Stanley Sea

I actually heard a Bill O'Reilly promo today "And tonight, more on the Jon Stewart blah blah"

Pitiful.

"I'm having a fight with this guy at work" is not news.

This may be the first and only time a really dirty Catullus line has been quoted - in Latin - on a nationally viewed teevee show.

"Pedicabo vos et irrumabo!"

A worthy answer to people who are always telling other people to sally forth and micturate upwards on hempen hawsers.

Oh, I shall laugh myself into a hernia.

re: #60 Soap_Man

Yeah, but I feel Stewert hides behind that too much. One day he demands to be taken seriously, then when the criticism rolls in, he pulls the whole "but I'm just a silly guy on a comedy channel" routine.

That's what comedians do, though.

This is exactly why I will never take Fox seriously. Stewart is a comedian with his biases that he readily admits to. Fox meanwhile continues to shove this bullshit fair and balance crap. I thought Jon made a great point by showing that Bernie's being inconsistent when he calls Jon's fans unsophiscated but repeats the elitist meme. The fact of the matter is Fox news are the biggest elitists of them all. A bunch of rich people who think they have a gauge on what middle America thinks.

re: #88 SteveMcG

You knew what channel it was on!

re: #66 Racer X

The difference between the guys at Foxnews and Jon Stewart is that Stewart is - and openly admits to being - a clown. He is funny. Thats what he does.

Never argue with a clown. You'll just end up with a lemon meringue pie in your face.

Ever seen this?

Who's the clown here?

re: #62 freetoken

Question is... what is a "real" journalist doing working for Fox News?

Well, a real journalist also shouldn't be working for Fox News, but times are hard. I can't run this guy's whole life for him!

re: #91 sanfranciscozionist

That's what comedians do, though.

I know. And I can criticism him for it.

re: #90 Cato the Elder

This may be the first and only time a really dirty Catullus line has been quoted - in Latin - on a nationally viewed teevee show.

"Pedicabo vos et irrumabo!"

A worthy answer to people who are always telling other people to sally forth and micturate upwards on hempen hawsers.

Oh, I shall laugh myself into a hernia.

Cato, do remind me, when you heard Catullus say this for the first time, were there many other people 'sides the two of you there?

re: #96 Soap_Man

+, presuming 'criticism' there was intentional.

re: #98 windsagio

+, presuming 'criticism' there was intentional.

I've been drinking.

I hate to be involved in a good debate and then take off, but the lady just came home and she gets irritated when I pay more attention to the laptop then to her.

Goodnight all.

More journalism!

Goldberg received criticism of his inclusion of rappers in the book.[5] The book attributes the creation of gangsta rap to the record label Interscope Records; it had been around commercially for at least six years prior to any involvement from the record label.[6] Artists such as Ice-T and N.W.A. both had platinum selling success as gangsta rap artists before the founding of Interscope. The book claims that Interscope Records was entirely funded by Ted Field, when it was actually largely—as much as 50%—funded by Atlantic Records.

But hey, what's facts when they get in the way of TEH EBIL RAP MUSICKS

Also more lulz: [Link: www.amazon.com...] Wow he's like Walter Cronkite or something

re: #93 windsagio

You knew what channel it was on!

I did tell you I googled. I hardly ever see anything on VH1, but I check out VH1 classic a lot.

re: #52 pharmmajor

As much as I dislike Fox News, for Stewart to call out anyone for being cynical is the pot calling the kettle black. He's one of the most cynical men on the air.

It's not cynicism, it's satire.

"Was darf die Satire? Alles!"

re: #86 windsagio

Real Housewives scoop?

re: #101 SteveMcG

Hey, I could have sworn I typed "just came back from Google" but I used those less than and greater than characters, and the browser must have read it as an invalid tag! I know, PIaMFr

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Let me ask >>

Don't think she follows that one.

re: #88 SteveMcG

Really??? Must be making a comeback, but VH1 is no Bravo. Didn't see or hear of him for a long time. Probably learned his lesson.

what are you even talking about, that was 17 years ago and this is 2010

re: #103 Stanley Sea

I can get some good info on the cake ones, the baby pageant ones, and things like Drag Race

Bridal ones too.

re: #90 Cato the Elder

This may be the first and only time a really dirty Catullus line has been quoted - in Latin - on a nationally viewed teevee show.

"Pedicabo vos et irrumabo!"

A worthy answer to people who are always telling other people to sally forth and micturate upwards on hempen hawsers.

Oh, I shall laugh myself into a hernia.

OK, Cato, I still don't like this jag you're on, but I will upding for the sake of Catullus.

re: #108 sanfranciscozionist

hrm? Or am I better off not knowing?

re: #106 WindUpBird

what are you even talking about, that was 17 years ago and this is 2010

Once upon a time, Rupaul was a really overexposed one trick pony. Some MTV producer thought it would be a good idea to put him on with Milton Berle. I don't know what RuPaul was thinking, but I think he tried to take advantage of the old fart. RuPaul was no Uncle Milty, and all of a sudden, RuPaul wasn't an overeposed starlet(?) anymore.

re: #106 WindUpBird

what are you even talking about, that was 17 years ago and this is 2010

Anyway, my original point was that taking on a comedian is not a good idea.

re: #105 windsagio

Amateur then.

re: #97 eastsider

Cato, do remind me, when you heard Catullus say this for the first time, were there many other people 'sides the two of you there?

I was there as a ghost. The rest were decadent Roman élitists who showed up at his reading for the hors d'oeuvres. I believe, if memory serves, they were made of actual horses that night.

"I admire Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly a lot because I think they're standup guys."

-Bernard Goldberg

"...and the people who live in what Tom Wolfe, the great author and journalist, calls the "blue parentheses" on both coasts. The people in the middle of the country get the central message of the book -- that the culture has gotten too angry, too mean and too vulgar. They see it all the time in their lives. And the people on the coasts -- "What? What problem? What are you talking" -- but they're responsible for the problem."

-Bernard Goldberg

lol

re: #113 Cato the Elder

I was there as a ghost. The rest were decadent Roman élitists who showed up at his reading for the hors d'oeuvres. I believe, if memory serves, they were made of actual horses that night.

+1

And I'd give another for the accent aigu if I had it.

re: #111 SteveMcG

Anyway, my original point was that taking on a comedian is not a good idea.

re: #96 Soap_Man

I know. And I can criticism him for it.

I cn also criticize a race car driver for going too fast, a heavy metal drummer for playing too hard, and an X-games skateboarder for doing too many turns in the air

the comedy aside, my thoughts on what's happening here are as follows:

We're transitioning away from a world painted in absolutes.

The key word there is "painted." Very little of human existence can be accurately described by a broad brush as "good" or "bad." However, in the past, people have had such control over information that perception of people, tribes, and other groups could be widely held as "good" or "bad."

While Stewart says Fox trades on being partisan/disingenuous, he's not 100% on point. They actually make their $ on the generalizations themselves. They have a stable, rabidly passionate base of people who have a very clear concept of "us" and "them" (and "good" and "bad").

But the explosion of the internet, and the truly free spread of information over the last 10 years has made it that the elites (in this case played ironically by Fox News) can no longer control the flow of information. You can try and paint Iran as an evil place of warlords, but eventually someone is going to watch Persepolis and change their own mind.

As a people, (the whole world, really) we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that we're in this together, and that everyone is a little bit "good" and a little bit "bad." Attempting to portray people in absolutes is only going to make a particular speaker (or an entire "News" channel) come off as naive at best, and, yes, disingenuous at worst.

The full text of Catullus 16, with translation.

Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo,
Aureli pathice et cinaede Furi,
qui me ex versiculis meis putastis,
quod sunt molliculi, parum pudicum.
Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
ipsum, versiculos nihil necessest;
qui tum denique habent salem ac leporem,
si sunt molliculi ac parum pudici
et quod pruriat incitare possunt,
non dico pueris, sed his pilosis
qui duros nequeunt movere lumbos.
Vos, quod milia multa basiorum
legistis, male me marem putatis?
Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo.

I will sodomize you and face-fuck you,
Cock-sucker Aurelius and catamite Furius,
You who think, because my verses
Are delicate, that I am a fag.
For it's right for the devoted poet to be chaste
Himself, but it's not necessary for his verses to be so.
Verses which then have taste and charm,
If they are delicate and sexy,
And can incite an itch,
And I don't mean in boys, but in those hairy old men
Who can't get their flaccid dicks up.
You, because you have read of my thousand kisses,
You think I'm a fag?
I will sodomize you and face-fuck you.

This is what Stewart just did to Fox.

John Stewart is the only one that calls out FOX news for their dishonesty. The traditional media won't do it.

re: #119 spiderx

Like the editorial cartoonists in the newspapers of old, the comedian can and will go farther and deeper than the more (self determined) staid writers/editors.

Wow.

So there's no really bad people out there. It's all "painted," it's all "perception."

The mullahs are "a little bit bad, a little bit good" and no different from us, really. Ditto for Syria, N. Korea, and Venezuela.

I'm so relieved.

Look, dude...most of the world already HAS come to terms with the fact that we're "all in this together." It's not a matter of US changing our minds...we know that all things considered, we'd rather live and let live. When you've convinced Iran, Syria, N. Korea, and Venezuela (and some other countries) to think the same way, embrace liberty, and join the global community, let me know, and then we can all join hands and sing Kumbayah.

re: #117 eastsider

the comedy aside, my thoughts on what's happening here are as follows:

We're transitioning away from a world painted in absolutes.

The key word there is "painted." Very little of human existence can be accurately described by a broad brush as "good" or "bad." However, in the past, people have had such control over information that perception of people, tribes, and other groups could be widely held as "good" or "bad."

While Stewart says Fox trades on being partisan/disingenuous, he's not 100% on point. They actually make their $ on the generalizations themselves. They have a stable, rabidly passionate base of people who have a very clear concept of "us" and "them" (and "good" and "bad").

But the explosion of the internet, and the truly free spread of information over the last 10 years has made it that the elites (in this case played ironically by Fox News) can no longer control the flow of information. You can try and paint Iran as an evil place of warlords, but eventually someone is going to watch Persepolis and change their own mind.

As a people, (the whole world, really) we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that we're in this together, and that everyone is a little bit "good" and a little bit "bad." Attempting to portray people in absolutes is only going to make a particular speaker (or an entire "News" channel) come off as naive at best, and, yes, disingenuous at worst.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Pure comedic genius.

Yes, yes, and yes. God yes. I can't stop laughing right now.

Pure win as always.

God Help us if the News box is indeed moving towards Jon Stewart. I find most people who get their news from The Daily Show are just as ignorant as those that claim FNC, or MSNBC
What a sad state of affairs.

re: #90 Cato the Elder

This may be the first and only time a really dirty Catullus line has been quoted - in Latin - on a nationally viewed teevee show.

"Pedicabo vos et irrumabo!"

A worthy answer to people who are always telling other people to sally forth and micturate upwards on hempen hawsers.

Oh, I shall laugh myself into a hernia.

This is what distinguishes good comedy from great comedy. Long after the sketch is done, small details still shine.

Honestly, when the "sophisticated audience member" spoke those words, my first instinct was that it was faux Latin for the Laughs. I never expected it to be an actual verse from a long ago poem.

re: #123 frizzlefry

God Help us if the News box is indeed moving towards Jon Stewart. I find most people who get their news from The Daily Show are just as ignorant as those that claim FNC, or MSNBC
What a sad state of affairs.

The real sad state of affairs is that TDS has to be the news ombudsman, coercing on the news organizations to actually doing their jobs.

re: #90 Cato the Elder

A worthy answer to people who are always telling other people to sally forth and micturate upwards on hempen hawsers.

Sounds as if Glenn Bigot would be planning to sell the teabaggers the rope they need to hang him.

whiplash

re: #118 Cato the Elder

And people complain about gangster rap. Tupac had nothing on that.

The best part was when Stewart referred to the "perceived" "liberal pathogen, however faint" at news outlets like MSNBC. Now that's funny.

"Perception Becomes Reality"

Reading the 128 comments above certainly proves that. Makes you wonder if everyone is watching the same Jon Stewart and the same Bernie Goldberg.