It’s still early, but I think we already have our jaw-dropper of the day, as an investigation discovers that senior employees of the Securities and Exchange Commission spent hours every day browsing porn websites — in the midst of the financial meltdown.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 10:56:57am |
I mean, who doesn't watch some porn now and then, but 8 hours a day while at work? Come on now.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Apr 23, 2010 10:58:03am |
I bet the writers at The Onion are pissed that they didn't come up with this first.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Apr 23, 2010 10:58:17am |
Well we always knew we were getting screwed. Just didn't expect it to be so popular online...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 10:58:51am |
Making 100K-222K? Making money hand over fist as they say.
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charlz Fri, Apr 23, 2010 10:59:55am |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I mean, who doesn't watch some porn now and then, but 8 hours a day while at work? Come on now.
yeah, I'm still trying to decide if this is a 'stupid' problem or an 'akin to addiction' problem.
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Lidane Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:00:22am |
So basically, they just wanted a visual reminder of what they were doing to the rest of us. =P
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:01:12am |
Mindblowing and when you think that they're supposed to have a handle on the comings and goings in the markets, that they were spending so much time glued to the boob-tube on their desktops it's little wonder that the SEC has itself a porn problem and fiddled while the markets came crashing down.
/needs a cigarette after that one...
Seriously though, this is a problem not only because these officials were watching porn instead of the markets, but the oversight of the employees was so lax - they didn't seem to have a problem dishing out slaps on the wrist for these kinds of infractions whereas a similar infraction would find an employee fired from a private company for violating computer access rules (wasting computer/IT department time in protecting networks from virus/spam/spyware attacks), creating a hostile work environment, etc.
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Lidane Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:01:19am |
re: #3 negativ
I bet the writers at The Onion are pissed that they didn't come up with this first.
And the writers at SNL are just happy that the SEC did the work for them. Making fun of this will be easy, so to speak.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:01:32am |
The sad thing is that I've had jobs like that as an intern where I sat around for hours waiting for somebody to tell me what to do next. These jobs were for private companies not the government. The happy thing is I still got paid!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:02:09am |
I thought for sure the tech department would have all those sites blocked. It's a serious security risk to have government computers going to shady porn sites.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:02:20am |
re: #10 Lidane
And the writers at SNL are just happy that the SEC did the work for them. Making fun of this will be easy, so to speak.
Unbelievably easy.... the kind of easy that makes you want to return your check!
Jon Stewart
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:03:19am |
re: #7 charlz
yeah, I'm still trying to decide if this is a 'stupid' problem or an 'akin to addiction' problem.
It can be both.
On 9/11, after we posted a bulletin and alerted all commands that all network traffic was restricted to official business, we caught a guy surfing porn. This was like 6 hours after the attack.
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Jaerik Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:03:21am |
How do you watch porn for eight straight hours? Doesn't your brain eventually reach some kind of saturation point?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:03:47am |
This explains much, really. The scads of people coming forward about this and that fraud case who are saying they had called the SEC dozens of times, to no effect must feel pretty vindicated. They were literally jacking off while the economy crumbled because of exactly the sort of thing the SEC is supposed to regulate and prosecute.
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:04:36am |
Wait. Isn't pr0n what the internet was made for???
///
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:04:57am |
Christ. 8 hours a day. And then they probably went home and looked at more porn.
It's kinda silly to ask if our financial meltdown could have been avoided, though.
For want of a tissue the Stock Market was lost. :)
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:05:21am |
re: #15 Jaerik
How do you watch porn for eight straight hours? Doesn't your brain eventually reach some kind of saturation point?
"The best midget porn site on the net, guaranteed? Well, I'll be the judge of that!"
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:05:39am |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
In one of the cases, the guy wanted to get to the porn sites that he figured out a way to avoid going through the proxy server - and I think it was through using google images...
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:05:58am |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
I thought for sure the tech department would have all those sites blocked. It's a serious security risk to have government computers going to shady porn sites.
That's what baffles me the most. Not that they did it, but that they were able to.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:07:12am |
re: #15 Jaerik
How do you watch porn for eight straight hours? Doesn't your brain eventually reach some kind of saturation point?
Yeah I mean honestly after about four hours he should have been ready to just hit TV tropes instead.... reading it is a lot less energy intensive then watching porn so it makes time fly by faster...
Or at least so I've been told...
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:07:54am |
Eegad! First Chomsky, now this:
William Ayers Stirs up Controversy in Fresno
About 50 members of the Tea Party Movement came to protest Bill Ayers appearance in Fresno.Mark Ratchford said, "I don't like what's going on. This man and Obama are friends and I don't like what they stand for. It's not American."
John Smedley said, "I'm fed up with all of this government takeover. And Bill Ayers is one of Obama's buddies, and I don't like it and he doesn't belong here and he can go home."
Inside, before members of Peace Fresno, Ayers got a warm welcome and said he didn't quite know why the Tea Party folks are mad at him. He said he shares their distrust of government.
William Ayers said, "I actually think there are many things we would agree on, including a skepticism of the government. Which I'm very skeptical of. I think I'm more skeptical of corporate America than they are, but nevertheless I think we probably share more than they imagine." (emphasis added)
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:08:09am |
re: #22 jamesfirecat
Yeah I mean honestly after about four hours he should have been ready to just hit TV tropes instead... reading it is a lot less energy intensive then watching porn so it makes time fly by faster...
Or at least so I've been told...
Perhaps the silly fool only had dial up at home?
XD
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Jaerik Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:08:14am |
re: #16 Fozzie Bear
They were literally jacking off while the economy crumbled because of exactly the sort of thing the SEC is supposed to regulate and prosecute.
You don't work for the SEC to actually do a good job at crappy government salary.
You work for the SEC so that after 4-5 years, you can accept a consulting gig at one of the companies you were supposed to be monitoring for literally 5-6 times your previous salary. But only provided you hadn't actually done your job while at the SEC.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:08:20am |
lol I was reading that this morning on CNN.
Someone put in the comment section that the number of people that did this represents about 1% of all the SEC employees. However, they were senior employees and some attorneys, no less, who should know better. Personally, I don't care if it's 1, 10 or 100.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:08:38am |
re: #17 Varek Raith
Wait. Isn't pr0n what the internet was made for???
///
"If somebody took all the porn off of the internet, I'm sure there would only be one website left and it'd be called BringBackThePorn.com"
Doctor Percival Ulysses Cox
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Lidane Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:09:18am |
re: #9 lawhawk
Seriously though, this is a problem not only because these officials were watching porn instead of the markets, but the oversight of the employees was so lax - they didn't seem to have a problem dishing out slaps on the wrist for these kinds of infractions whereas a similar infraction would find an employee fired from a private company for violating computer access rules (wasting computer/IT department time in protecting networks from virus/spam/spyware attacks), creating a hostile work environment, etc.
My last employer rationed personal computing time to your breaks and lunch hour, or you risked getting in trouble. If I'd spent even two minutes watching porn at work, I'd have been bounced out of the office so quick I'd have ended up with whiplash.
re: #15 Jaerik
How do you watch porn for eight straight hours? Doesn't your brain eventually reach some kind of saturation point?
Seriously. After a while, it would all just blur together.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:09:25am |
I don't understand how they can access this stuff on a government conputer. I'm a fed contractor, and they have anything potentially offensive blocked - including The Onion, The AV Club, cracked.com and YouTube. I'm surprised they don't block all blogs.
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Sergeant Major Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:10:14am |
No wonder they didn't notice the market..... they were in a constant state of euphoria
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Bob Levin Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:10:36am |
re: #9 lawhawk
You're right, but unfortunately, it's not inconsistent with the normal movements of human psychology. I mean, if you've got a good fire extinguisher, you won't fiddle while Rome burns. But if the fire extinguisher hasn't been invented yet--grab the violin, close your eyes, and play a little Bacchus sonata.
I'm sure these guys had no idea what was happening, much less what to do about it.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:14:06am |
re: #29 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't understand how they can access this stuff on a government conputer. I'm a fed contractor, and they have anything potentially offensive blocked - including The Onion, The AV Club, cracked.com and YouTube. I'm surprised they don't block all blogs.
I'm thinking this is all going to change at this point!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:14:55am |
"Hi, honey, I'm home. Got some bad news though. Got fired for surfing porn at work."
Bet that conversation doesn't end well.
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:15:27am |
Hm, hi all. Here's an interesting video of Barney Frank talking to Andrea Mitchell about the SEC pornography issue. It seems Mr. Frank blames the republicans and their free market/less regulation positions. I'm not sure how that all applies to an independent government agency - it seems like he's in a bit of a stretch here.
(BTW, it's a link to realclearpolitics, but the video itself is an MSNBC interview)
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:15:46am |
Speaking of porn,...
China's tight grip on Internet security means the central government blocks all politically sensitive and subversive websites. This includes many social networking sites, including Twitter.
Aoi Sola, a Japanese adult movie star, launched a Twitter account in March and, at last count, was approaching 58,000 followers.
Getting over the Chinese firewall isn't easy, but it's possible with some determination.
SNIP
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Digital Display Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:16:20am |
re: #29 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't understand how they can access this stuff on a government conputer. I'm a fed contractor, and they have anything potentially offensive blocked - including The Onion, The AV Club, cracked.com and YouTube. I'm surprised they don't block all blogs.
Hard to believe the Feds can't afford a Bluecoat firewall and turn on standard filtering..Jeez.
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kreyagg Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:18:43am |
Not to be glib, but I think I go to work to get away from all the porn.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:20:29am |
re: #32 marjoriemoon
I'm thinking this is all going to change at this point!
They seem to go back and forth with some sites. Sometimes flickr is blocked (and any images linked to it won't appear) sometimes its not. Some pop culture/entertainment sites (as long as they don't have social networking or videos) work but sometimes they're blocked. I'm still on LGF at work. So far, so good.
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Interesting Times Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:21:31am |
An SEC accountant attempted to access porn websites 1,800 times in a two-week period and had 600 pornographic images on her computer hard drive.
Not exactly what I have in mind when it comes to workplace equality for the sexes...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:21:58am |
I think it would be funny if you worked in the porn industry and all non-porn related sites were blocked.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:23:29am |
LSU has some hot chicks... Florida, yeah. Bama? Oh yeah!
Oh! Wrong SEC?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:23:56am |
re: #35 MandyManners
Speaking of porn,...
Salmon will swim up waterfalls to get a chance to mate, but we humans do them one better!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:25:03am |
Think of all the money the Government will save on Kleenex.
(yes... I did have to)
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charlz Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:25:34am |
My agency blocks all kind of sites including flickr, facebook, and anything with 'blog' in the url. The summer interns always offer to tell me how to get around the blocking if I want. 8-)
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Lidane Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:25:35am |
re: #35 MandyManners
Speaking of porn,...
Considering the gender imbalance in China, that's not surprising:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:27:30am |
"Let him with a free hand; cast the first stone."
-Dennis Miller
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Spider Mensch Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:28:41am |
just remember, as far as the internet, porn is king...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:29:47am |
re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Let him with a free hand;
casttoss the firststonerocks."
-Dennis Miller
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:31:24am |
re: #49 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Let him with a free hand;
casttoss the firststone rockssalad."
-Dennis Miller
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:33:08am |
re: #48 Spider Mensch
"Look Earl, it's a porn machine!"
-Randy, My Name is Earl, on finding a laptop
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:33:15am |
Well I'll be! When I Google SEC, it appears that stands for "Searching Erotica Constantly". Now it all makes sense -it's their job.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:34:04am |
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AK-47% Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:34:10am |
Makes you wonder what is going on at the NSA, CIA, TSA, ATF, etc...
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:34:48am |
Charles, if you have any objection to me using this avatar I'll understand :)
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:34:48am |
With all of the Faux-outrages around, I truly think this is a real outrage!
Seventeen of the employees were “at a senior level,” earning salaries of up to $222,418.
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:35:27am |
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:36:09am |
re: #15 Jaerik
How do you watch porn for eight straight hours? Doesn't your brain eventually reach some kind of saturation point?
If you've seen one, you've seen them both.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:36:53am |
re: #57 Varek Raith
Such wasted potential. This is how that should have read:
The promise of Japan's biggest porn star was all it took to convince thousands of Chinese men to penetrate China's famous "great firewall."
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:37:43am |
re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LSU has some hot chicks... Florida, yeah. Bama? Oh yeah!
Oh! Wrong SEC?
You know it! hahaha
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:38:03am |
re: #54 ralphieboy
Makes you wonder what is going on at the NSA, CIA, TSA, ATF, etc...
Same stuff:
NSA: Numbering Sexual Artifacts
CIA: Cataloging Indecent Art
TSA: Transcribing Sexy Articles
ATF: Adult Titillation Films
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:38:39am |
re: #61 subsailor68
I guess EPA was too easy.
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AK-47% Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:39:02am |
re: #58 Alouette
If you've seen one, you've seen them both.
One can assume they just had the sites up all day, they would occasionally duck out to go get more hand cream, fetch fresh coffee and occasionally check LGF...
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:39:04am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:39:28am |
Yes, I mean to be graphic... you mean a bunch of bureaucrats are sitting at their desks with their pants around their ankles yanking it?....
Porn is not a spectator sport, it is uh... interactive?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:41:16am |
re: #58 Alouette
If you've seen one, you've seen them both.
"Once you've seen one woman naked, you kind of want to see them all naked."
-Ron White
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:41:24am |
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:42:33am |
re: #63 ralphieboy
One can assume they just had the sites up all day, they would occasionally duck out to go get more hand cream, fetch fresh coffee and occasionally check LGF...
"Hey, Larry, can you cover the 2:00 PM call about mortgage derivatives? I'm watching Vanessa Lane in an interracial anal gang bang right now. Thanks buddy."
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:43:03am |
And I really, really don't want to know what's going on at the Department of the Interior!
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:43:41am |
re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Once you've seen one woman naked, you kind of want to see them all naked."
-Ron White
A human being makes up his mind if he wants to have sex with a member of the opposite sex within the first minute of meeting them. For men, the answer is yes.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:44:19am |
re: #42 jamesfirecat
Salmon will swim up waterfalls to get a chance to mate, but we humans do them one better!
From this story and the one I linked, it seems that humans will do just about anything to get some lovin'.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:44:25am |
re: #69 subsailor68
And I really, really don't want to know what's going on at the Department of the Interior!
I'm a lot more curious about the ATF now.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:44:33am |
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:45:02am |
Why is this news talking of during the financial meltdown? They probably couldn't do too much by that point anyway; I'm more interested in what they were doing before.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:45:06am |
re: #69 subsailor68
that's where the all Internal and POV stuff is monitored.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:45:27am |
re: #75 Naso Tang
Same thing.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:45:46am |
re: #75 Naso Tang
Why is this news talking of during the financial meltdown? They probably couldn't do too much by that point anyway; I'm more interested in what they were doing before.
They were... limp?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:46:07am |
re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bureau of Ass and Titty F***ing?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:47:02am |
re: #78 JasonA
they went blind from doing the same thing all those years.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:47:29am |
re: #80 Dreggas
So, that's why they missed it!
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:47:41am |
re: #78 JasonA
They were... limp?
Nah, but it explains why the annual evaluations had the standard phrase: "Mr. ____ always seems to be working hard."
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:48:11am |
re: #82 subsailor68
he's a real hands on employee.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:49:01am |
I wish there was a Federal Dept called DRP.
I used the googler, to no avail...
Rosie Palms...
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Still not a hampster Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:49:26am |
Another accountant accessed porn sites 1800 times in a two week period and she had 600 pornographic images on her government hard drive.
:3
It's not only guys.
...
"the most shocking thing is that it started in 2008" ... maybe it was a response to pressure.
Anyway, maybe it was an office where no one cared if you watched pornography.
Hell I remember being in an office and hearing my boss have sex with his wife through the wall. I guess they got a baby sitter and didn't want to pay for a hotel.
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:49:39am |
I'm shocked and appalled and slightly, though not really, shocked at these not really offensive comments.
/
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:50:10am |
re: #83 Dreggas
he's a real hands on employee.
LOL! "Mr. ______'s only flaw is his constant attempt to get off early."
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:50:32am |
re: #87 subsailor68
LOL! "Mr. ___'s only flaw is his constant attempt to get off early."
You're on a roll.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:50:43am |
I'm off to the market. Have a great afternoon, Lizards!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:50:49am |
The humor in this has penetrated the seriousness of the situation...
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:50:52am |
re: #87 subsailor68
he starts every day at 9 and is on time but by 9:02 he's already spent.
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Still not a hampster Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:51:25am |
re: #36 HoosierHoops
Hard to believe the Feds can't afford a Bluecoat firewall and turn on standard filtering..Jeez.
Here's how you do it, use your work laptop and use your cell phone instead of the internal internet connection.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:51:36am |
re: #89 MandyManners
I get so sick of modeling for these damn photos...
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Locker Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:51:39am |
Hey it's the free market economy. The markets are actually helped by the consumers prodigious use of these fine adult entertainment products. Now if the SEC guys had bought stock and then attempted to improperly inflate the value by 8 hour per day viewing... THEN it might be a problem.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:52:37am |
re: #94 Locker
yeah but that's free markets not FREE WILLY!
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:52:48am |
re: #94 Locker
Hey it's the free market economy. The markets are actually helped by the consumers prodigious use of these fine adult entertainment products. Now if the SEC guys had bought stock and then attempted to improperly inflate the value by 8 hour per day viewing... THEN it might be a problem.
Huh. huh huh. You said "inflate." huh huh huh
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:52:53am |
Well, it appears Britain has the same problem:
MILF: Ministry for International Lending and Finance
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:53:10am |
In defense of their IT department, it is virtually impossible to prevent someone from accessing a specific website without blocking the internet entirely, if the user in question has a moderate amount of computer knowledge.
That said, I would bet that the people at the SEC weren't bothering with creative use of proxies and SSH tunneling if they were doing it all day, every day.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:54:29am |
I'm shocked. Shocked. That there's porn viewing going on at the SEC. After all, even librarians are known to go at it in the stacks. They do it by the books. These SECers are merely doing it by the numbers.
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:55:58am |
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:56:26am |
In related news... Eliot Spitzer is planning a political comeback. /rimshot /ducking
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Velvet Elvis Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:56:45am |
re: #21 JasonA
That's what baffles me the most. Not that they did it, but that they were able to.
I read they were using proxies. They were committed.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:56:52am |
re: #97 subsailor68
Well, it appears Britain has the same problem:
MILF: Ministry for International Lending and Finance
The Philippines
MILF: Moro Islamic Liberation Front
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:56:59am |
This is more related to the previous thread, but it seems Richard Lindzen at MIT doesn't read the news.
I must say it does bother me somewhat that the WSJ, which I tend to respect, also doesn't seem to follow such issues, by printing this half page of denialism.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:57:00am |
Here at the SEC our employees, just like the markets, rise and fall with the introduction of outside stimuli. Whether we blow a load or make a wad we are subject to these influences. Sometimes we have to swallow hard unless we really wanna take it in the behind.
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lostlakehiker Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:57:01am |
Sounds like they knew they were fucked.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:57:23am |
re: #102 lawhawk
In related news... Eliot Spitzer is planning a political comeback. /rimshot /ducking
Get a towel ready.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:57:53am |
re: #94 Locker
Hey it's the free market economy. The markets are actually helped by the consumers prodigious use of these fine adult entertainment products. Now if the SEC guys had bought stock and then attempted to improperly inflate the value by 8 hour per day viewing... THEN it might be a problem.
According to Mr. Show, everything in the world is controlled by a series of blowjobs.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:58:14am |
re: #55 JasonA
Charles, if you have any objection to me using this avatar I'll understand :)
I am guessing some outrageous outrage.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:58:33am |
re: #109 Mad Al-Jaffee
According to Mr. Show, everything in the world is controlled by a series of blowjobs.
Are you trying to imply otherwise?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:59:01am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:59:51am |
re: #100 lawhawk
I'm shocked. Shocked. That there's porn viewing going on at the SEC. After all, even librarians are known to go at it in the stacks. They do it by the books. These SECers are merely doing it by the numbers.
If you've been to some of the library conferences I've been to, you would know that the stereotypical librarian look is very false. I've met some incredibly cute, hot and sexy library women.
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Locker Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:00:38pm |
re: #55 JasonA
Charles, if you have any objection to me using this avatar I'll understand :)
I hope he doesn't because if it's ok then I think we should have a little fuck-you-extremists party and all change our avatar to that image. Well... it was fun to imagine anyway. ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:01:21pm |
I know you're all thinking it, so I'll just come right out and say it:
NO, I do not work for the SEC.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:01:58pm |
re: #55 JasonA
Charles, if you have any objection to me using this avatar I'll understand :)
Without a caption, I'm going to guess it's a novice bomb maker with AlQaeda in Iraq.
See, there are no pictures of Mohammed, so it's impossible for anyone to represent him, unless a gorilla suit is used.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:02:22pm |
re: #114 Locker
I hope he doesn't because if it's ok then I think we should have a little fuck-you-extremists party and all change our avatar to that image. Well... it was fun to imagine anyway. ;)
Believe me, I thought of how fun it would be if everyone on all the internets changed their image to one of the few Muhammed depictions available.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:03:41pm |
I wonder if they are surfing free porn, or porn they were paying for with a government issued credit card.
oh shit.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:04:02pm |
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jc717 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:04:40pm |
Supposedly less than 1% engaged in work porn surfing. You can probably find 1% of employees at any sizable company/agency engaged in porn/drugs/gambling/other vices on company time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:04:45pm |
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Locker Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:05:13pm |
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Randall Gross Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:06:31pm |
Rec'ed in email, why guys shouldn't take phone messages:
Someone from the guyna colleges called -- they said the pabst beer was normal. (I didn't even know you liked beer?)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:06:34pm |
re: #120 jc717
Why are you looking at me like that? Cut it out.
/
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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:07:47pm |
re: #105 Naso Tang
This is more related to the previous thread, but it seems Richard Lindzen at MIT doesn't read the news.
I must say it does bother me somewhat that the WSJ, which I tend to respect, also doesn't seem to follow such issues, by printing this half page of denialism.
At least it's on the Opinion page. But they've had him there four times in the last 6 months. And quoted in a kind of Denialist Revue article in February.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:08:16pm |
re: #120 jc717
Supposedly less than 1% engaged in work porn surfing. You can probably find 1% of employees at any sizable company/agency engaged in porn/drugs/gambling/other vices on company time.
I thought everyone knew that employers looked at what employees accessed online. There must be more suckers born every day than I realized.
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Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:09:15pm |
Perhaps it's time to start introducing some regulations like these:
Police barred from penis enlargement
Notably, the local method of enlargement appears to be
wrapping the penis with leaves from the "gatal-gatal" (itchy) tree so that it swells up "like it has been stung by a bee," the expert said.
Words fail me.
Of course, such a - um - limitation would meet with considerable political opposition here in the US. After all, being American means the freedom to wrap your penis in any irritant you choose and not be discriminated against for it, as the Founders intended. Note also that it's an Indonesian law.
And you know who else comes from Indonesia.
That's right.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:09:23pm |
re: #120 jc717
Supposedly less than 1% engaged in work porn surfing. You can probably find 1% of employees at any sizable company/agency engaged in porn/drugs/gambling/other vices on company time.
Well, they caught less than 1%.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:10:44pm |
re: #123 Thanos
I had to read that a second time. "I never heard of a place called Guyna... Oh!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:13:33pm |
re: #127 Renaissance_Man
Perhaps it's time to start introducing some regulations like these:
Police barred from penis enlargement
Notably, the local method of enlargement appears to be
Words fail me.
Of course, such a - um - limitation would meet with considerable political opposition here in the US. After all, being American means the freedom to wrap your penis in any irritant you choose and not be discriminated against for it, as the Founders intended. Note also that it's an Indonesian law.
And you know who else comes from Indonesia.
That's right.
Have the policemen's wives weighed in on this yet?
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Mark Pennington Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:15:33pm |
re: #21 JasonA
That's what baffles me the most. Not that they did it, but that they were able to.
I heard on the local radio here that they were somehow able to get around it.
Apparently, it is possible.
Personally, I can't stand porn and never watch it (probably has to do with what I do for a living.) but don't judge those who do. However, the SEC doing this instead of doing their jobs is outrageous.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:15:48pm |
re: #126 Naso Tang
I thought everyone knew that employers looked at what employees accessed online. There must be more suckers born every day than I realized.
There are. Last office job I worked at, I very rarely used the company internet for personal reasons, and when I did it was usually to check my personal email account.
When IT did a bug sweep of our dept., everyone had anywhere from 100-200 viruses on their comps, I had a whopping two.
My bitter asshole of a boss claimed that it was because I wasn't doing as much work as everyone else. WTF?
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:21:20pm |
Why has no one posted this yet?
/I'm sure they can play this at their firing hearings as a defense...
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:25:18pm |
re: #125 wrenchwench
At least it's on the Opinion page. But they've had him there four times in the last 6 months. And quoted in a kind of Denialist Revue article in February.
Bah. Guy didn't get the chair at MIT by being an ignoramus. This is exactly who the scientific community needs to focus on persuading.
A denialist is a person who latches on to a conclusion that they aren't qualified to support, given known facts. Lindzen, unlike some other scientific hacks, is just a distinguished scientist who begs to differ. Let him talk.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:29:36pm |
re: #102 lawhawk
In related news... Eliot Spitzer is planning a political comeback. /rimshot /ducking
NY really is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it?
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Sheepdogess Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:33:55pm |
Not surprised at all. These are the same clowns who believe the first amendment has more to do with pornography than it has to do with "the right of the people to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of greavances".
Government workers.
Worthless pieces of shit.
Fire them all (except for the military).
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:36:48pm |
re: #138 Sheepdogess
That's a really broad brush you're painting with.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:36:53pm |
re: #138 Sheepdogess
Not surprised at all. These are the same clowns who believe the first amendment has more to do with pornography than it has to do with "the right of the people to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of greavances".
Government workers.
Worthless pieces of shit.
Fire them all (except for the military).
all of them?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:39:06pm |
re: #138 Sheepdogess
Wouldn't that be awesome? Highly trained military professionals deployed all across the nation to maintain our roadways and sewers. Of course, we'd have to pull our troops out of.. well.. everywhere.
Oh, and institute compulsory service for life.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:39:37pm |
re: #138 Sheepdogess
In the name of Reine, I say screw you.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:40:23pm |
re: #142 Obdicut
In the name of Reine, I say screw you.
oh, good call. I doubt she'd agree with the sentiment.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:42:25pm |
Well let the Marines handle the IRS and public schools. There will be no more tax cheats, and no more kids playing hookie.
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Mark Pennington Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:43:38pm |
re: #138 Sheepdogess
Not surprised at all. These are the same clowns who believe the first amendment has more to do with pornography than it has to do with "the right of the people to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of greavances".
Government workers.
Worthless pieces of shit.
Fire them all (except for the military).
downding for insulting my wife.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:46:56pm |
'Spose we could have the Air Force handle the postal service. They could use that smart bomb technology to deliver our mail right down the chimney at top speed.
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windsagio Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:47:06pm |
not really much to add, but I wonder if he realizes he's describing a police state?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:52:41pm |
re: #138 Sheepdogess
Not surprised at all. These are the same clowns who believe the first amendment has more to do with pornography than it has to do with "the right of the people to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of greavances".
Government workers.
Worthless pieces of shit.
Fire them all (except for the military).
Fuck you.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:55:01pm |
I know, we could have the Army handle Law Enforcement. What could possibly go wrong? I mean, it's worked like a charm in every other country that has tried it. Of course, we would have to amend the constitution first.
I think you see where I am going with this, Sheepdip. Idiot.
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Sheepdogess Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:55:45pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:57:07pm |
re: #139 JasonA
That's a really broad brush you're painting with.
There's broad-brushing, then there is abject stupidity. That post contains generous portions of both.
re: #147 windsagio
not really much to add, but I wonder if he realizes he's describing a police state?
Too dumb to realize it, I'd wager.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:58:30pm |
re: #150 Sheepdogess
I'm mad as hell.
You should try to remember that a lot of people on this board probably have a gov't job or have a loved one who does. My late father was a postal worker.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 1:00:45pm |
re: #150 Sheepdogess
You're contempt for our nation and the people who serve us in ways not related to the military is duly noted.
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AK-47% Fri, Apr 23, 2010 1:34:09pm |
re: #138 Sheepdogess
Not surprised at all. These are the same clowns who believe the first amendment has more to do with pornography than it has to do with "the right of the people to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of greavances".
Government workers.
Worthless pieces of shit.
Fire them all (except for the military).
for starters, it's "grievances"
But I usually don't harp on spelling.
But fire them all, and when you wake up retching from drinking poluuted water or eating tainted food, coughing your lungs out from breathing foul air, and then get even sicker from taking the unregulated patent medicines you bought, then you might reconsider the crap you posted.
Until then, I will keep at least some of government employees. I will just expect them to do their appointed task.
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Mandown2010 Fri, Apr 23, 2010 1:34:15pm |
And when the government controls healthcare, instead of surfing porn, bureaucrats will be looking at naked medical pictures of your sisters, girlfriends, moms, etc.
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DoubleBarrellBunnyAnger Fri, Apr 23, 2010 1:35:41pm |
This is so easily fixed. Let DoD manage their IS.
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DoubleBarrellBunnyAnger Fri, Apr 23, 2010 1:36:12pm |
Does the leadership of that agency have so little commitment to their mission they will not enforce the most minimal computer security? Time to clean house.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 23, 2010 1:41:00pm |
re: #155 Mandown2010
I've seen ur mom, you got nuthin' to worry 'bout.
/ouch, just kidding
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celticdragon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 1:59:24pm |
re: #9 lawhawk
Mindblowing and when you think that they're supposed to have a handle on the comings and goings in the markets, that they were spending so much time glued to the boob-tube on their desktops it's little wonder that the SEC has itself a porn problem and fiddled while the markets came crashing down.
/needs a cigarette after that one...
Seriously though, this is a problem not only because these officials were watching porn instead of the markets, but the oversight of the employees was so lax - they didn't seem to have a problem dishing out slaps on the wrist for these kinds of infractions whereas a similar infraction would find an employee fired from a private company for violating computer access rules (wasting computer/IT department time in protecting networks from virus/spam/spyware attacks), creating a hostile work environment, etc.
The glibitarians see all that as a feature instead of a bug. Markets can regulate themselves, bee-yotch! If Rome burns, we can always build a better one named Galt's Gulch, right?
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Sheepdogess Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:06:02pm |
re: #154 ralphieboy
I meant federal employees in DC. I should have been more clear.
We should start over, and don't make a Government job a job for life. When our public servants screw up we just move em around or send them of to one of the federal goverment's "retirement homes", like Fannie Mae, so they can steal more of our money.
Remember Jamie "THE WALL" who allowed 9/11 to happen" Gorelick? Though she had no training or experience in finance, Gorelick was appointed the Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae and served in the role from 1997 to 2003. During that time she earned over $26 million dollars During Gorelick's tenure, FNMA suffered a $10 billion accounting scandal. She kept the millions BTW. Nice work Jamie.
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celticdragon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:08:47pm |
re: #155 Mandown2010
And when the government controls healthcare, instead of surfing porn, bureaucrats will be looking at naked medical pictures of your sisters, girlfriends, moms, etc.
Riiiigghhttt....
Maybe you prefer the model we have now where a corporate bureaucrat uses a complicated computer algorithm to target your mom, sister or daughter whenever they file a claim related to breast cancer, and then rescinds their insurance. Corporate profits fucking rock, right?
I will take bumbling government bureaucratic incompetence every day over competent corporate bureaucratic malice and fraud that kills their own customers for quarterly profits.
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TheAntichrist Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:11:06pm |
Why all the outrage? Don't we all want the SEC staffers to work harder?
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simoom Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:12:40pm |
This story seems to keep resurfacing, though this time around it seems to have made its biggest splash in the media.
June, '09:
[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]
Beginning on October 20, 2008, the OIG conducted an investigation into information showing a Los Angeles Regional Office SK-17 supervisor had been using his SEC-assigned computer to access Internet pornography. The investigation revealed that while using his SEC computer during 17 working days, the employee received approximately 1,880 access denials for Internet websites classified by the SEC’s Internet filter as pornography.
Feb, '10:
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
The work computer of one regional supervisor for the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission showed more than 1,800 attempts to look up pornography in a 17-day span: "It was kind of distraction per se," he later told investigators.
That regional supervisor is always a top anecdote in the stories :P.
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simoom Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:17:52pm |
re: #162 TheAntichrist
Why all the outrage? Don't we all want the SEC staffers to work harder?
Don't you see? The existence of SEC porn addicts mean we have to scuttle financial reform! ///
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said it was “nothing short of disturbing that high-ranking officials within the SEC were spending more time looking at pornography than taking action to help stave off the events that brought our nation's economy to the brink of collapse.""This stunning report should make everyone question the wisdom of moving forward with plans to give regulators like the SEC even more widespread authority," Issa said in a subtle jab at ongoing financial reform efforts.
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AK-47% Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:29:30pm |
re: #160 Sheepdogess
I meant federal employees in DC. I should have been more clear.
We should start over, and don't make a Government job a job for life. When our public servants screw up we just move em around or send them of to one of the federal goverment's "retirement homes", like Fannie Mae, so they can steal more of our money.
Remember Jamie "THE WALL" who allowed 9/11 to happen" Gorelick? Though she had no training or experience in finance, Gorelick was appointed the Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae and served in the role from 1997 to 2003. During that time she earned over $26 million dollars During Gorelick's tenure, FNMA suffered a $10 billion accounting scandal. She kept the millions BTW. Nice work Jamie.
Ah, the fedril gummint.
I am all for market solutions to anything and everything that the market can do well, which is basically to balance supply and demand and to direct the flow of capital to those places where it does the most good for the most people.
Problem is, when it comes to managing resources, it really sucks. And that does not just mean mineral resources, it means our air and water, our soil, our infrastructure and the education and health of our populace.
We expect a lot of government, and we seem to expect it will do its job well at a minimum of cost and be neither seen nor heard except in times of crisis.
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Sheepdogess Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:44:00pm |
re: #166 ralphieboy
I am sorry to say that I have lost faith in public education in this country. It has failed our children greatly. In my state, kids graduate from high-school knowing all about potlatches and longhouses but have little if any knowledge on how their "fedril gummint" works, or doesn't work for that matter. And then there is the so called "socialization", the word that is dropped as the best reason not to home-school our kids. They say "They will not be properly socialized at home". But I won't even bother going there. The socialization of our children at the hands of public education is complete. They should be very proud. They did it and they did it well.
Sexed up.
Dumbed down.
Stoned out of their minds.
Sorry for the rant.
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Mark Pennington Fri, Apr 23, 2010 3:00:30pm |
re: #167 Sheepdogess
I am sorry to say that I have lost faith in public education in this country. It has failed our children greatly. In my state, kids graduate from high-school knowing all about potlatches and longhouses but have little if any knowledge on how their "fedril gummint" works, or doesn't work for that matter. And then there is the so called "socialization", the word that is dropped as the best reason not to home-school our kids. They say "They will not be properly socialized at home". But I won't even bother going there. The socialization of our children at the hands of public education is complete. They should be very proud. They did it and they did it well.
Sexed up.
Dumbed down.
Stoned out of their minds.Sorry for the rant.
I have a lil beekiller on the way and can't wait to enroll him/her(foetus!) in public school.
A few idiots in government does not make the whole thing bad.
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AK-47% Fri, Apr 23, 2010 3:01:26pm |
re: #167 Sheepdogess
The other option is to make it accessible only to those with the means to pay for it privately and leave the rest even more sexed up, dumbed down and stoned out of their minds.
We expect a lot of government and don't want to pay for it. Arizonas wanted law and order and Low Taxes and got Sherrif Joe Arpaio and his prison tent cities.
We want immigration reform, but we don't want to enforce a hermetically sealed border, nor do we want to create an enormous bureaucracy to register and track immigrant workers.
Parents expect the state to educate their children without them playing a role in guiding their growth and personal sense of priorities. We cannot have it both ways.
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Ojoe Fri, Apr 23, 2010 3:35:43pm |
As an Architect, with little no real work since this financial crisis hit, (and by extension, my contractor and builder buddies are unemployed too, or near it), I have a whole warehouse full of curse words for the likes of these "regulators" and the politicians who go with them.
Here are 5 of them:
You motherfucking sons-of-bitches.
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celticdragon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 3:37:59pm |
re: #167 Sheepdogess
I am sorry to say that I have lost faith in public education in this country. It has failed our children greatly. In my state, kids graduate from high-school knowing all about potlatches and longhouses but have little if any knowledge on how their "fedril gummint" works, or doesn't work for that matter. And then there is the so called "socialization", the word that is dropped as the best reason not to home-school our kids. They say "They will not be properly socialized at home". But I won't even bother going there. The socialization of our children at the hands of public education is complete. They should be very proud. They did it and they did it well.
Sexed up.
Dumbed down.
Stoned out of their minds.Sorry for the rant.
Considering that schools are locally run with locally elected boards, you may want to ask some hard questions about that. The failure of schools merely reflects our failure as a society to have even the most cursory interest in knowing how or why our democracy is supposed to work. Oh, never mind...another episode of Dancing With the Stars is on. Priorities!
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Sheepdogess Fri, Apr 23, 2010 4:06:28pm |
re: #171 celticdragon
Considering that schools are locally run with locally elected boards, you may want to ask some hard questions about that. The failure of schools merely reflects our failure as a society to have even the most cursory interest in knowing how or why our democracy is supposed to work. Oh, never mind...another episode of Dancing With the Stars is on. Priorities!
This is true. Pop culture does much harm indeed. Fatherless households, both affluent and poor, also play a big part in this mess.
Let's start with eliminating, in it's entireity, The US Dept of Education, another one of Dhimmi Carter's miserable failures. It would save the taxpayer 68 Billion right off the bat.
We should let the local state governments run the schools in their states. DOE is a waste of money. Get rid of it.
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jvic Fri, Apr 23, 2010 4:23:06pm |
It’s still early, but I think we already have our jaw-dropper of the day, as an investigation discovers that senior employees of the Securities and Exchange Commission spent hours every day browsing porn websites — in the midst of the financial meltdown.
Diddling while Rome burns?
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lostlakehiker Fri, Apr 23, 2010 4:52:39pm |
re: #161 celticdragon
Riiigghhttt...
Maybe you prefer the model we have now where a corporate bureaucrat uses a complicated computer algorithm to target your mom, sister or daughter whenever they file a claim related to breast cancer, and then rescinds their insurance. Corporate profits fucking rock, right?
I will take bumbling government bureaucratic incompetence every day over competent corporate bureaucratic malice and fraud that kills their own customers for quarterly profits.
We don't need a government takeover of the health system to fix this. We don't even need more laws. What we need is an administration that will take care that the laws are faithfully executed. It's part of the swearing-in oath every president takes.
It's already against the law to defraud your customers. You enter into a contract where you take their premiums, but if they get cancer, you cover the treatment, perhaps up to some limit. All nice and clear, set down in writing.
Then when they do get cancer, you renege on your end of the deal. You make up this little song and dance about how they failed to report the skinned knee they got in fifth grade, so that they had not disclosed all prior health problems. Grounds for rescission, they say.
Fraud.
What excuse do the feds have for not bringing charges and sending the miscreants off to the pen?
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Dr. Shalit Fri, Apr 23, 2010 5:50:38pm |
So What -
SEC Members Might Just Have Ben Influenced by the "Great Vagina" of Mecca, like the one at the Kabbah - and Perhaps Not. Like DUH! -S-
| 176 |
Dr. Shalit Fri, Apr 23, 2010 6:24:02pm |
re: #6 Cannadian Club Akbar
Making 100K-222K? Making money hand over fist as they say.
Club Akbar -
Hand Over or Otherwise. The $ WAS made.
-S-
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celticdragon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 6:30:03pm |
re: #174 lostlakehiker
We don't need a government takeover of the health system to fix this. We don't even need more laws. What we need is an administration that will take care that the laws are faithfully executed. It's part of the swearing-in oath every president takes.
It's already against the law to defraud your customers. You enter into a contract where you take their premiums, but if they get cancer, you cover the treatment, perhaps up to some limit. All nice and clear, set down in writing.
Then when they do get cancer, you renege on your end of the deal. You make up this little song and dance about how they failed to report the skinned knee they got in fifth grade, so that they had not disclosed all prior health problems. Grounds for rescission, they say.
Fraud.
What excuse do the feds have for not bringing charges and sending the miscreants off to the pen?
Maybe we do need more laws, since they seem to be doing it legally somehow. In any event, the free market does not have an answer for how you cover people like me (badly injured and I have degenerative disc disease), my spouse (has cerebral palsey) or my son (is autistic).
Glibitarians say that society (they have an interesting definition of society, methinks) has no responsibility to help any member of that society in any way beyond freely given charity from a church or private donor. Basically you get a no holds barred exercise in contingency as defined by Stephan Gould where luck and chaos determines the winners...and not actual work or intrinsic values. You get good genes and your family has money...you win! You have a bad accident or you have a kid with a genetic defect, then Fuck You! I owe you nothing. Get an abortion next time.
I hope we are better then that, but I am not really sure. I strongly believe that access to health care is as fundamental a right as breathing air. It is life itself...and should not be a privilege of wealth.
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 23, 2010 10:41:04pm |
re: #138 Sheepdogess
Not surprised at all. These are the same clowns who believe the first amendment has more to do with pornography than it has to do with "the right of the people to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of greavances".
Government workers.
Worthless pieces of shit.
Fire them all (except for the military).
Anarchy!
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BethesdaDog Sun, Apr 25, 2010 1:09:37am |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
I know that for a long time the SEC had Finjan security software that blocked sites that were known to be porn, extremist, hate sites, etc. What they have had in the last year or two, I don't know. I think that it would have been very difficult for anybody to get on porn sites using SEC computers given the effectiveness in blocking all kinds of non-porn sites.
I can only say, something is very fishy with this whole story.
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
