PBS FrontLine Covers the Antivaxers
Coming up tonight at 9pm ET on PBS Frontline: The vaccine war. (You can watch the full show over the web at this link.)
Coming up tonight at 9pm ET on PBS Frontline: The vaccine war. (You can watch the full show over the web at this link.)
1 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:41:01pm |
Well clearly the Jon Stewart thread is gonna reach triple digits now…
3 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:49:19pm |
I’m looking forward to this broadcast!
Thanks for letting me know the time.
Hope the NBA games are over by then.
4 | webevintage Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:51:01pm |
Got it set on the DVR since LOST is a repeat tonight and GLEE is beginning to annoy me.
5 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:51:20pm |
Charles’ goodness! I can watch on line!
And, bonus! There’s a poll.
Don’t go all “Paulian” on it, but DO VOTE!
6 | Linden Arden Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:52:53pm |
Frontline is the best investigative journalism remaining on television (60 Minutes is the only serious competitor).
Sad.
I say this while watching the lovelorn Kimberly Guilfoyle on the pathetic FNN - and she was married to Gavin Newsome?
Hard to believe..
7 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:53:38pm |
re: #4 webevintage
Got it set on the DVR since LOST is a repeat tonight and GLEE is beginning to annoy me.
Justified?
8 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:55:59pm |
OMG! Vaccinations implant tacking devices which transmit your GPS coodinates to the Federal Reserve!
/Drudge-RonPaul-GlennBeck-AlexJones
9 | austin_blue Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:57:17pm |
re: #8 Killgore Trout
OMG! Vaccinations implant tacking devices which transmit your GPS coodinates to the Federal Reserve!
/Drudge-RonPaul-GlennBeck-AlexJones
Wasn’t that one the plot lines in “The President’s Analyst”?
10 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:57:44pm |
re: #8 Killgore Trout
OMG! Vaccinations implant tacking devices which transmit your GPS coodinates to the Federal Reserve!
/Drudge-RonPaul-GlennBeck-AlexJones
I don’t know about that, but I do know that the battery I had yesterday made me feel sick. Although, that is probably due to the number of the things, and not any “sekreet mercury”.
11 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:59:31pm |
Anti-vaxxers…sheesh.
Florida won’t let your kids go to public school without vaccination records, thank heavens. Is it different in other states?
12 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:59:39pm |
Hmmm, the wingnut blogs are having a lot of fun comparing the peaceful Tea Parties to the more physical protests of the Arizona immigration law protests. Not that I’m excusing anything happening in Phoenix but there’s a big difference; The Arizona protests are actually against real oppression.
13 | webevintage Tue, Apr 27, 2010 5:59:42pm |
re: #7 Dante41
Justified?
We tape that on Sunday night.
Really you have NO IDEA the amount of work Tuesday night is what with LOST and GLEE and Justified and Law and Order: Criminal Intent all on.
I am the keeper of the DVR and Tuesday is a precise dance of movement around the TV Guide.
And LOST and GLEE (I hate you American Idol!!!!!) both run over so it effects what can or cannot tape next.
I think In Plain Sight might be part of the mix too.
Too many people with too many TV needs and only a two channel taping DVR.
14 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:02:11pm |
re: #13 webevintage
We tape that on Sunday night.
Really you have NO IDEA the amount of work Tuesday night is what with LOST and GLEE and Justified and Law and Order: Criminal Intent all on.
I am the keeper of the DVR and Tuesday is a precise dance of movement around the TV Guide.
And LOST and GLEE (I hate you American Idol!!!) both run over so it effects what can or cannot tape next.
I think In Plain Sight might be part of the mix too.Too many people with too many TV needs and only a two channel taping DVR.
if you don’t mind being a little behind, you can catch Justified with video on demand…
15 | darthstar Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:04:49pm |
re: #7 Dante41
Justified?
I like Justified. It’s on at 7pm here on the left coast (on Dish), so I’ll have to toggle back&forth between it and the repeat of Countdown (though I’ll watch Rachel, so I can live without Keith for a night).
Ooh…Hitman is on right now…I never realized the bald guy was Olyphant. They need to do a sequel to this movie…
16 | Irenicum Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:05:13pm |
I meant to send you a link about this the other day. Glad you saw it was playing tonight. I love Frontline. Consistently one of the best shows on TV.
17 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:06:23pm |
I just love wars with children as the casualties.
Or not.
18 | Irenicum Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:06:50pm |
re: #4 webevintage
Beginning to annoy you? I watched a few minutes and began hemorrhaging from my ears it was so bad!
19 | webevintage Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:07:15pm |
re: #14 Aceofwhat?
if you don’t mind being a little behind, you can catch Justified with video on demand…
Yeah, but that would require my husband watching TV on a computer monitor and that will never happen.
No laptop and he really kind of hates computers and the desktop is far away from or (still) analog TV.
Like I said, very behind the times.
It drives my son crazy that he has a better TV in his room (he bought it) then we have in the living room.
20 | jc717 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:07:50pm |
Vaccines are arguably the single greatest medical discovery.
They’ve saved millions of lives.
It’s amazing how a group of loons have been able to create a fake controversy and convince a large number of folks to not vaccinate. If vaccination rates drop below a certain threshold, we’ll lose herd immunity and have outbreaks of diseases that we have no business worrying about.
People like Jenny McCarthy have a sizable body count on their hands.
21 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:08:26pm |
re: #19 webevintage
Yeah, but that would require my husband watching TV on a computer monitor and that will never happen.
No laptop and he really kind of hates computers and the desktop is far away from or (still) analog TV.
Like I said, very behind the times.
It drives my son crazy that he has a better TV in his room (he bought it) then we have in the living room.
ha! no, sorry, i meant video on demand through your cable company. Justified is offered for free here (i have Comcast)
22 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:09:04pm |
re: #20 jc717
Vaccines are arguably the single greatest medical discovery.
They’ve saved millions of lives.
It’s amazing how a group of loons have been able to create a fake controversy and convince a large number of folks to not vaccinate. If vaccination rates drop below a certain threshold, we’ll lose herd immunity and have outbreaks of diseases that we have no business worrying about.
People like Jenny McCarthy have a sizable body count on their hands.
agree completely
23 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:11:52pm |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, the wingnut blogs are having a lot of fun comparing the peaceful Tea Parties to the more physical protests of the Arizona immigration law protests. Not that I’m excusing anything happening in Phoenix but there’s a big difference; The Arizona protests are actually against real oppression.
The Arizona law is a piece of utter stupidity.
And I’m not one who believes we ought to round up all the illegals here and ship ‘em back; I think we need bigger allowances for legal immigration from Mexico, a workable guest worker program, and much faster processing of immigration requests, along with border enforcement.
But there’s also no doubt in my mind that the citizens in Arizona (and perhaps other places, as well) feel they are under seige. The protection of our borders is a federal responsibility, and our leaders, going back YEARS, have failed us in that responsibility. And if that continues, I’m afraid other states will try to take it upon themselves to do something about it.
24 | Stan the Demanded Plan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:13:33pm |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
KT - someone here already tried to compare the crowds. I call it a theme.
25 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:13:47pm |
re: #20 jc717
Vaccines are arguably the single greatest medical discovery.
They’ve saved millions of lives.
It’s amazing how a group of loons have been able to create a fake controversy and convince a large number of folks to not vaccinate. If vaccination rates drop below a certain threshold, we’ll lose herd immunity and have outbreaks of diseases that we have no business worrying about.
People like Jenny McCarthy have a sizable body count on their hands.
Vaccines, the one time its okay to drive a creature to extinction! (Sparkle)
26 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:15:09pm |
re: #25 jamesfirecat
Vaccines, the one time its okay to drive a creature to extinction! (Sparkle)
Hey! Smallpox hit me first!
27 | prairiefire Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:21:16pm |
Measles outbreak in Canada due to anti-vaxxers:[Link: iphone.cbc.ca…]
28 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:27:29pm |
re: #27 prairiefire
Measles outbreak in Canada due to anti-vaxxers:[Link: iphone.cbc.ca…]
hey - who’s the avatar? i can’t quite make it out…
29 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:27:30pm |
re: #27 prairiefire
Measles outbreak in Canada due to anti-vaxxers:[Link: iphone.cbc.ca…]
Their ‘good intentions’ get people killed. That can’t be said often enough.
30 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:28:33pm |
re: #3 Floral Giraffe
I’m looking forward to this broadcast!
Thanks for letting me know the time.
Hope the NBA games are over by then.
The important games are starting right about now. Vaccinations are cool and all, but GO SPURS GO!! ;)
31 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:29:01pm |
Glad Ludwig’s still around. He’s the best man for the task of squashing anti-vaxers.
32 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:29:33pm |
Correlation =/ causation. (Imagine those two symbols on top of one another.)
One of my friends was telling me that they have gone back through and diagnosed her husband and his brothers on the autism spectrum. In other words, we aren’t having more autistic kids, we’re just doing a better job of diagnosing it.
33 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:29:36pm |
re: #23 reine.de.tout
It really is a complex issue, there are many possible solutions and much debate to be had. This Arizona law really stinks and is the result of some really bad leadership. It’s bad publicity for Arizona, the GOP and the USA.
34 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:29:59pm |
re: #24 Stanley Sea
KT - someone here already tried to compare the crowds. I call it a theme.
Not surprising.
35 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:30:01pm |
re: #27 prairiefire
Measles outbreak in Canada due to anti-vaxxers:[Link: iphone.cbc.ca…]
8 of the 14 from one house who didn’t immunize (allegedly). guess i don’t have to ask how that’s working out for them…
36 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:32:08pm |
re: #30 cliffster
The important games are starting right about now. Vaccinations are cool and all, but GO SPURS GO!! ;)
heh. the Cavs are playing like crap and are still ahead. Go Cavs!
37 | prairiefire Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:32:52pm |
re: #28 Aceofwhat?
hey - who’s the avatar? i can’t quite make it out…
Dr. Smith from “Lost In Space.”
I hope that people with newborns understand how vulnerable these infants are to exposure to serious diseases.
38 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:32:57pm |
re: #35 Aceofwhat?
8 of the 14 from one house who didn’t immunize (allegedly). guess i don’t have to ask how that’s working out for them…
So if you see an Anti-Vaxer, you go right and head and ask em, hows that no antibody thing working out for yah? You betcha!
39 | Bagua Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:33:46pm |
40 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:35:02pm |
re: #38 jamesfirecat
So if you see an Anti-Vaxer, you go right and head and ask em, hows that no antibody thing working out for yah? You betcha!
The problem is that most of the anti-vaxxers’ kids won’t ever get sick. The reason is that they are around kids who are vaccinated, so they are “buffered” against these horrible diseases.
They draw the erroneous conclusion from this experience that their children are perfectly safe not being vaccinated.
(The irony is that the sons of the LDS anti-vaxxers that I know, if they want to serve a mission, will have to receive the vaccines to serve a mission overseas, or be limited to the state. I wonder which they will choose.)
41 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:35:13pm |
Speaking of anti-science, the stalkers are on an anti-science binge tonight. “Snork” has a thread up bashing the ‘hockey stick’ climate change graph. Reginald, you should check that one out, as well as the Ludwig attack thread. Much of those threads is pure comedy gold.
42 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:36:19pm |
Few things smell better than chicken stock brewing. Baking bread is the only competition I can think of.
43 | b_sharp Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:37:10pm |
re: #31 Dark_Falcon
Glad Ludwig’s still around. He’s the best man for the task of squashing anti-vaxers.
Ha! What do you know, you haven’t seen me fart in their general direction yet.
44 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:37:21pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Few things smell better than chicken stock brewing. Baking bread is the only competition I can think of.
They try to use smell selling houses. I guess if you go viewing upscale houses, you feel like you’ve been on a bakery tour.
45 | pharmmajor Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:37:33pm |
More press coverage for Team Retard. Lovely.
46 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:37:43pm |
re: #41 Dark_Falcon
Speaking of anti-science, the stalkers are on an anti-science binge tonight. “Snork” has a thread up bashing the ‘hockey stick’ climate change graph. Reginald, you should check that one out, as well as the Ludwig attack thread. Much of those threads is pure comedy gold.
So what, can we get somebody whose good at programming to set up a youtube video of their comments rolling by on a screen? Then we get Charles, Walter and Ludwig to sit on a couch making snarky comments about the comments as they go by?
Somebody get me comedy central on the line we’ll call it Mystery Wingnut Theatre 9000!
47 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:38:20pm |
re: #36 Aceofwhat?
heh. the Cavs are playing like crap and are still ahead. Go Cavs!
Lebron is a beast. He could easily win 10 championships if he gets the right mix of players.
48 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:39:53pm |
re: #47 cliffster
Lebron is a beast. He could easily win 10 championships if he gets the right mix of players.
Watching the Spurs makes me feel old…seems like it was only yesterday that Duncan was doing Edge shaving gel commercials with Robinson…
49 | kingkenrod Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:40:33pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
It really is a complex issue, there are many possible solutions and much debate to be had. This Arizona law really stinks and is the result of some really bad leadership. It’s bad publicity for Arizona, the GOP and the USA.
Far as I can see, the worst thing about the law is that it might be unevenly applied by local law enforcement who aren’t trained as well as federal authorities. The worst thing Janet Napolitano is griping about is she’s afraid it will increase the workload of federal authorities. Well, if AZ goes around arresting legal residents, I sympathize with her. Otherwise, she should just ask for a bigger budget and thank AZ for doing her job for her…but I suspect she would rather have a turf war and make a political fight about it.
Most of the law is about sanctioning employers who hire illegals and human traffickers.
Frankly, I don’t see what is so draconian about it. What does it do that federal law doesn’t already do?
50 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:41:10pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Few things smell better than chicken stock brewing. Baking bread is the only competition I can think of.
Chocolate chip cookies WIN!
51 | darthstar Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:42:00pm |
okay…need more gin, less ice. Play nice, everyone.
52 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:42:11pm |
re: #46 jamesfirecat
So what, can we get somebody whose good at programming to set up a youtube video of their comments rolling by on a screen? Then we get Charles, Walter and Ludwig to sit on a couch making snarky comments about the comments as they go by?
Somebody get me comedy central on the line we’ll call it Mystery Wingnut Theatre 9000!
It would be an improvement on the original, given that we’d get to watch the wingnuts go ape when they hear what our guys say.
53 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:42:57pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Few things smell better than chicken stock brewing. Baking bread is the only competition I can think of.
My sister has a recipe for sourdough cinnamon rolls start starts driving the olfactories crazy from the time she sets them out to rise. By the time they’re halfway baked, you’ve lost your mind completely. I’ll talk her out of the recipe someday. Hey, I’m your brother.. c’mon. Takes a lot of practice to get it right, anyways. A long and windy road, sourdough baking is.
54 | Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:43:11pm |
To anti-vaccers:
Your decisions put others at risk. Polio is a communicable disease. Vaccinations are not just to prevent you and yours from getting sick, but others, as well. Remember when you make the choice not to vaccinate that more than just your child’s fate hangs on that decision.
55 | Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:43:45pm |
re: #49 kingkenrod
Why not ask this in the thread that was devoted to it, or at least read through that thread?
56 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:44:37pm |
re: #51 darthstar
okay…need more gin, less ice. Play nice, everyone.
An improvement over MST3K? Hey I like my idea too but lets not go nuts….
57 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:46:11pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Uncle’s Alzheimer’s care facility baked bread every day at 4 o’clock. The smell of baking bread is primeval enough, to make even folks with broken brains salivate! The hunger urge is very strongly wired deep into our brains!
58 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:47:08pm |
re: #53 cliffster
Get on this, the cookbooks NEED these kind of recipes.
Please?
59 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:48:38pm |
re: #49 kingkenrod
Far as I can see, the worst thing about the law is that it might be unevenly applied by local law enforcement who aren’t trained as well as federal authorities. The worst thing Janet Napolitano is griping about is she’s afraid it will increase the workload of federal authorities. Well, if AZ goes around arresting legal residents, I sympathize with her. Otherwise, she should just ask for a bigger budget and thank AZ for doing her job for her…but I suspect she would rather have a turf war and make a political fight about it.
Most of the law is about sanctioning employers who hire illegals and human traffickers.
Frankly, I don’t see what is so draconian about it. What does it do that federal law doesn’t already do?
It’s not a license to go harass “brown people”, but it’s close. As it stands, Phoenix police can refer criminal suspects to the ICE when warranted.
Now, all state police have more authority to make citizenship/identification inquiries and judgments, and they only need to be involved in ‘regular contact’ to do so.
Regular police contact is basically any other reason for them to be asking for your ID and getting involved in your situation (broken taillight, etc.).
The perception is worse than reality, but the reality ain’t great and the perception is both highly damaging and highly predictable.
It’s incredibly clumsy and unhelpful, IMHO, at best…and license to profile at worst.
60 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:49:25pm |
re: #55 Obdicut
Why not ask this in the thread that was devoted to it, or at least read through that thread?
eh, you’re probably right. sorry for the clutter.
61 | KingKenrod Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:49:42pm |
re: #55 Obdicut
Why not ask this in the thread that was devoted to it, or at least read through that thread?
Well, I was responding to KT’s points in two posts in this thread.
62 | researchok Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:49:46pm |
re: #54 Obdicut
To anti-vaccers:
Your decisions put others at risk. Polio is a communicable disease. Vaccinations are not just to prevent you and yours from getting sick, but others, as well. Remember when you make the choice not to vaccinate that more than just your child’s fate hangs on that decision.
Not unlike unprotected sex when you know you have AIDS.
That’s grounds for criminal prosecution.
63 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:50:09pm |
re: #57 Floral Giraffe
Uncle’s Alzheimer’s care facility baked bread every day at 4 o’clock. The smell of baking bread is primeval enough, to make even folks with broken brains salivate! The hunger urge is very strongly wired deep into our brains!
For good reasons. There’s nothing quite like being served fresh baked bread.
64 | Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:51:13pm |
re: #61 KingKenrod
Fair enough. Sorry for the thread-policing. However, you will find lengthy descriptions of negative effects from the law— not the least that its unconstitutional and will cost the state a fortune in legal costs— in the other thread.
65 | Reginald Perrin Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:51:16pm |
re: #41 Dark_Falcon
Reginald, you should check that one out, as well as the Ludwig attack thread. Much of those threads is pure comedy gold.
Every thread at the stalker/hate blog is a comedic goldmine. The twit from Tampa and his cohorts must have grown up eating an irony deficient diet.
There is no need to read the thread, the blog has become something akin to a random comment generator, it’s the same stale shit recycled over and over and over.
66 | HoosierHoops Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:53:00pm |
re: #63 Dark_Falcon
For good reasons. There’s nothing quite like being served fresh baked bread.
Friday night at the Farmers Market on 3rd Street in Napa…There is no better fresh baked bread in the World…You sit on a park bench and eat fresh baked bread with warm butter…
67 | Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:53:22pm |
re: #65 Reginald Perrin
I can’t even follow it on the couple of times I dipped my toe in. I always think they’re being ironic, but they’re not.
68 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:53:51pm |
69 | Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:54:23pm |
re: #66 HoosierHoops
I like the Boudin Bakery at Fisherman’s Wharf. Get some picked crab, too… mmmm.
70 | Reginald Perrin Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:56:16pm |
re: #67 Obdicut
I can’t even follow it on the couple of times I dipped my toe in. I always think they’re being ironic, but they’re not.
Shut off your irony meter before reading that blog. The last time I didn’t, the idiocy there not only pegged the meter, it caused it to explode.
71 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:57:11pm |
would you jokers quit talking about fresh baked bread? You are killing me
72 | KingKenrod Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:57:12pm |
re: #59 Aceofwhat?
It’s not a license to go harass “brown people”, but it’s close. As it stands, Phoenix police can refer criminal suspects to the ICE when warranted.
Now, all state police have more authority to make citizenship/identification inquiries and judgments, and they only need to be involved in ‘regular contact’ to do so.
Regular police contact is basically any other reason for them to be asking for your ID and getting involved in your situation (broken taillight, etc.).
The perception is worse than reality, but the reality ain’t great and the perception is both highly damaging and highly predictable.
It’s incredibly clumsy and unhelpful, IMHO, at best…and license to profile at worst.
That mirrors my take on this. It’s easy to manufacture a reason to have official contact. I was once pulled over for failing to make a right-turn signal from a “right-turn only” lane.
So I think a bad cop could abuse this. But that’s the case with most laws.
I just don’t see the justification for the over-the-top rhetoric. For instance, Archbishop Mahoney says this is “the country’s most retrogressive, mean-spirited and useless anti-immigrant law” and wonders whether Arizonans are “now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques”.
73 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:57:41pm |
re: #71 cliffster
would you jokers quit talking about fresh baked bread? You are killing me
Fine. Hey, let’s talk about roasting garlic.
74 | HoosierHoops Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:58:04pm |
re: #69 Obdicut
I like the Boudin Bakery at Fisherman’s Wharf. Get some picked crab, too… mmm.
I like Alitito’s no.9 on the Wharf…Fresh fish..And Charlie Brown’s in Berkley…
75 | Stan the Demanded Plan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:58:06pm |
re: #71 cliffster
would you jokers quit talking about fresh baked bread? You are killing me
ha! And I just made some. Yeah!
76 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:59:25pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
Fine. Hey, let’s talk about roasting garlic.
And a little softened goat cheese. AAARRGGGG
77 | prairiefire Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:59:44pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
Fine. Hey, let’s talk about roasting garlic.
Spreading roasted garlic on fresh baked bread.
78 | Stan the Demanded Plan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:00:42pm |
re: #76 cliffster
And a little softened goat cheese. AAARRGGG
OK, here goes:
Take a bulb or 5 of garlic, chop off the bottom, dip in olive oil & roast.
When it comes out of the oven, sprinkle blue cheese on the tops. Work at it with french bread.
mmm
79 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:01:59pm |
re: #72 KingKenrod
That mirrors my take on this. It’s easy to manufacture a reason to have official contact. I was once pulled over for failing to make a right-turn signal from a “right-turn only” lane.
So I think a bad cop could abuse this. But that’s the case with most laws.
I just don’t see the justification for the over-the-top rhetoric. For instance, Archbishop Mahoney says this is “the country’s most retrogressive, mean-spirited and useless anti-immigrant law” and wonders whether Arizonans are “now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques”.
He had me at mean-spirited and useless. Trotting out the Nazi and the Communist…gah. I hate that crap.
80 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:05:31pm |
re: #65 Reginald Perrin
Every thread at the stalker/hate blog is a comedic goldmine. The twit from Tampa and his cohorts must have grown up eating an irony deficient diet.
There is no need to read the thread, the blog has become something akin to a random comment generator, it’s the same stale shit recycled over and over and over.
This one is especially good. It’s irrationality in its pure form.
81 | KingKenrod Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:07:55pm |
re: #64 Obdicut
Fair enough. Sorry for the thread-policing. However, you will find lengthy descriptions of negative effects from the law— not the least that its unconstitutional and will cost the state a fortune in legal costs— in the other thread.
I’ve read most of the other threads. I’m not convinced it’s as bad as many make it out to be. Overall my feelings are slightly negative on it.
82 | Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:17:03pm |
re: #81 KingKenrod
Well, if you’ve read the other threads, then you know the reasons why people are calling it the draconian pile of crap that it is.
It will make the problem of violence and crime worse, by making illegal aliens stridently avoid any and all contact with the police. This means they won’t inform on violent criminals in their population. They probably will also be less likely to seek out medical care, meaning that we’ll have more contagious diseases floating around, too.
From a law enforcement standpoint alone, the law is crap.
Then there’s the fact that it’s going to be killed in the courts, which will cost the state millions and potentially overturn convictions. Yay.
83 | Irenicum Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:21:56pm |
Just got done watching the Frontline Vax episode. Unlike Fox, Frontline is actually fair and balanced. Ultimately scientific reality will win out. But unfortunately there are going to be multitudes who buy into this pseudo scientific nonsense parading itself as an “alternative” that will literally get people killed. Sad and in some cases criminal.
84 | albusteve Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:23pm |
re: #49 kingkenrod
Far as I can see, the worst thing about the law is that it might be unevenly applied by local law enforcement who aren’t trained as well as federal authorities. The worst thing Janet Napolitano is griping about is she’s afraid it will increase the workload of federal authorities. Well, if AZ goes around arresting legal residents, I sympathize with her. Otherwise, she should just ask for a bigger budget and thank AZ for doing her job for her…but I suspect she would rather have a turf war and make a political fight about it.
Most of the law is about sanctioning employers who hire illegals and human traffickers.
Frankly, I don’t see what is so draconian about it. What does it do that federal law doesn’t already do?
it raises awareness…all else is hyperbole….what’s shameful is that it has come to this, thanks to the feds neglecting their job
85 | Lidane Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:33:18pm |
re: #50 Floral Giraffe
Chocolate chip cookies WIN!
Cinnamon rolls, especially fresh out of the oven.
86 | ryannon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:52:36pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
Fine. Hey, let’s talk about roasting garlic.
Better yet, fresh-baked roasted garlic bread.
87 | alexknyc Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:21:29pm |
re: #83 Irenicum
Just got done watching the Frontline Vax episode. Unlike Fox, Frontline is actually fair and balanced. Ultimately scientific reality will win out. But unfortunately there are going to be multitudes who buy into this pseudo scientific nonsense parading itself as an “alternative” that will literally get people killed. Sad and in some cases criminal.
I have friends who are otherwise intelligent and educated people who’ve fallen for this anti-vaxxer nonsense. I can’t even have a civil discussion with them about it anymore.
The real victims in all this are their daughters, aged 2 and 5. I hope my friends never have cause to find out how far from reality their position really is.