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Oh, for Pete’s sake.

In the “Science and Technology” section of Fox News today, a ridiculous hoax lifted from British tabloid The Sun, reported as straight news: Has Noah’s Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop?

A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say wooden remains they have discovered on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey are the remains of Noah’s Ark. 

The group claims that carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old, meaning they date to around the same time the ark was said to be afloat. Mt. Ararat has long been suspected as the final resting place of the craft by evangelicals and literalists hoping to validate biblical stories. 

Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah’s Ark Ministries International research team that made the discovery, said: “It’s not 100 percent that it is Noah’s Ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it.”

And if you want to completely despair about the intelligence of the average American Fox News consumer, just take a look at the comments for this ludicrous article.

firedawg1982

I love the big bang theory…hahaha. How about you blow up a fire cracker and see if it makes a clock. Big bangs make a mess! And also, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than God. My Great Great Grand Daddy was an ape swinging in a tree, and now we’ve evolved, and I have a PHD. Whatever, knuckleheads.

[…]

jrvega1

Liberal agnostics or atheists wouldn’t believe in the Bible even they received a personal visit from God Himself. It is really sad that they have such a hard time accepting such a good, merciful and loving God. You guys need to reconsider where you stand.

[…]

777sutter

THANK YOU FOX NEWS WE KNOW THAT THE MAINSTREAM STATE RUN MEDIA ISN’T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING. YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE POPULATION APPRECIATES THE NEWS AND COMMENTARIES THAT IS GIVEN,KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK NO MATTER WHAT OBAMA AND HIS COHORTS SAY. GOD AS A WAY OF REVEALING HIS TRUTH, BUT TO BELIEVE WITHOUT SEEING IS TO HAVE THAT GOD WANTS TO GIVE EVERYONE. ISRAEL BECAME A NATION IN 1948, IN GOD’S WORD HE SAYS THE GENERATION THAT SEES THIS IS THE LAST GENERATION. SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE OPENED MINDED BUT REALLY ARE NOT. IN THE LAST DAYS MANY WILL COME AGAINST ISRAEL JUST WHAT OBAMA AND OTHERS ARE DOING. THE LITTLE god OF THIS AGE HAS BLINDED THOSE WHO DO NOT TO BELIEVE.

(Hat tip: NT.)

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291 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:49:33pm

I LIKE TALKING IN A VERY LOUD VOICE BECAUSE I FEEL IT HELPS GET MY POINT ACROSS BETTER!

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:50:11pm

Send money now: You won’t get a second chance to bid on this reaaaallly mummified giraffe poop.

3 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:51:02pm

What a bunch of dumbfox.

4 researchok  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:51:06pm
And if you want to completely despair about the intelligence of the average American Fox News consumer, just take a look at the comments for this ludicrous article.

Another great argument for school vouchers.

5 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:51:11pm

A silly story, but one that people have run at times. Not likely to ever be true, since the story of Noah’s Flood should not be read literally.

6 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:51:12pm

You know… I saw that ark on my holiday in the area, used some for the campfire. Who knew?

7 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:51:21pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

I LIKE TALKING IN A VERY LOUD VOICE BECAUSE I FEEL IT HELPS GET MY POINT ACROSS BETTER!

I APPRECIATE IT JAMES. MY EARS ARE STUFFED UP RIGHT NOW AND I CAN’T HEAR YOU If YOU talk like this.

8 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:51:47pm

A very cool Towercm with moonlit clouds seen from above. San Gabriel Mountains of California.

From the telescope in that dome, Hubble and Humason discovered the expansion of the Universe.

Good night all.

9 Mich-again  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:52:22pm

I think the same book mentions the four corners of the world. I suppose all those pictures of the round (or more correctly, oblate spheroid) earth taken from outer space are supposedly a hoax too.

10 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:52:50pm

It’s in the science section of MSNBC as well.

11 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:54:19pm

re: #9 Mich-again

I think the same book mentions the four corners of the world. I suppose all those pictures of the round (or more correctly, oblate spheroid) earth taken from outer space are supposedly a hoax too.

que?

12 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:54:43pm

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

It’s in the science section of MSNBC as well.

Yes, but at least the headline on MSNBC reads, “Noah’s Ark found? Not so fast” rather than leaving the question open as if it has some kind of validity.

13 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:54:54pm

re: #7 Jadespring

I APPRECIATE IT JAMES. MY EARS ARE STUFFED UP RIGHT NOW AND I CAN’T HEAR YOU If YOU talk like this.

TURN THE CARMINA BURANA DOWN/

14 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:55:25pm

Bah Noah’s Ark, everyone knows that Noah’s speed boat would have been much more impressive!

And can’t find the right Eddie Izzard Clip anymore, dam…

Wait I think this one has it…

Youtube Video
15 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:56:00pm

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

It’s in the science section of MSNBC as well.

Shhhh, this is Make Fun of Silly Fox News and the Republicans Who Read It Time.

16 political lunatic  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:56:07pm

Sigh… I’ve got nothin’.

17 Mich-again  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:56:15pm

re: #11 Aceofwhat?

que?


Isaiah 11:12

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
18 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:56:37pm

re: #12 darthstar

Yes, but at least the headline on MSNBC reads, “Noah’s Ark found? Not so fast” rather than leaving the question open as if it has some kind of validity.

Not to mention it seems to be talking about the science involved in proving why this isn’t the Ark….

19 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:57:02pm

re: #13 Aceofwhat?

TURN THE CARMINA BURANA DOWN/

OKAY!


Phew that’s better…

20 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:57:25pm

Every two or three years some new group of douchebags claim to have found Noah’s Ark. Usually because someone sees a brown spot in a photo of Mt. Ararat.

It’s almost like Sasquatch or the Abominable Snowman, but not quite as interesting as the Loch Ness monster.

21 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:57:30pm

Attention all passengers, the lions have requested that the two unicorns please report to the Lido Deck. Unicorns, please meet the lions on the Lido Deck.

And THAT, children, is why there are no unicorns today.

22 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:58:10pm

re: #17 Mich-again


Oh, you meant why not read this literally as well. Gotcha- thanks!

23 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:58:25pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat

Not to mention it seems to be talking about the science involved in proving why this isn’t the Ark…

NJD’s a tough nut to crack…I give him a lot of latitude on these kinds of things.

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:58:47pm

re: #21 darthstar

Attention all passengers, the lions have requested that the two unicorns please report to the Lido Deck. Unicorns, please meet the lions on the Lido Deck.

And THAT, children, is why there are no unicorns today.

Fuckin’ Ding.:)

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:59:39pm

Just a religious note: We aren’t supposed to have proof. We’re supposed to have faith.

26 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:59:42pm

good night, scaly folks. be good.

27 political lunatic  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:00:15pm

re: #15 Athens Runaway

Yep, because silly things like science, facts and logic should not get in the way of fundies trying to scream their point at us godless logic-using science loving heathens constantly.

28 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:00:29pm

re: #12 darthstar

Yes, but at least the headline on MSNBC reads, “Noah’s Ark found? Not so fast” rather than leaving the question open as if it has some kind of validity.

So? This thread is having an issue with FN putting it in the science & technology section of their website. MSNBC has done the same. Excuse me if I fail to see the nontroversy.

Now for some real science…

Monitor Lizard Discovered with Flame-Colored Head

A distinctly colored species of monitor lizard, a close relative of the Komodo dragon, has been discovered in Indonesia.

The lizard, whose scientific name is Varanus obor, is also called by its popular names, Torch monitor and Sago monitor. It’s called Torch monitor because of its bright orange head with a glossy black body. “Obor” means torch in Indonesian.

The newfound lizard is a close relative of the intimidating Komodo dragon, as well as the fruit-eating monitor lizard recently reported from the Philippines.

The Torch monitor can grow to nearly 4 feet (1.2 meters) in length and 3.5 pounds (1.5 kilograms) in weight, and thrives on a diet of small animals and carrion.

The Torch monitor exists only on the small island of Sanana in the western Moluccan islands of Indonesia. A unique aspect of this geographical region is the lack of mammalian predators, which may have given reptiles the space to evolve as the top terrestrial predators and scavengers.

Several million years ago, this island was situated near New Guinea, and it is possible that the lizard lives on as a relic from that period. It is the only black monitor in its lineage, and the only monitor species anywhere that has evolved red pigmentation.

29 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:00:31pm

re: #25 EmmmieG

Just a religious note: We aren’t supposed to have proof. We’re supposed to have faith.

/But how can I make those evil athiests realize Jesus’ overwhelming love if I don’t have something to rub their arrogant crooked noses in?

30 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:01:16pm

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

It’s in the science section of MSNBC as well.

Yeah, and there’s only one tiny difference between the two articles: Fox says they probably found it, and MSNBC says they probably didn’t. So much for equivalency.

31 Mich-again  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:01:48pm

Nearly every ancient culture has a folktale about a great flood that engulfed the land spare some few survivors who rode the storm out in a giant boat. There is geological evidence for great floods in our history as well. Its not out of the question to say there was some historical basis for a great flood among the ancient stories that were told and retold for centuries before ever being written down. So that someone would find the remains of a ship somewhere on a mountain side in a part of the ancient civilized world is not all that surprising to me.

32 Athens Runaway  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:01:55pm

re: #27 political lunatic

Yep, because silly things like science, facts and logic should not get in the way of fundies trying to scream their point at us godless logic-using science loving heathens constantly.

Someone needs the batteries in their joke detector changed.

33 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:02:08pm

Oh God… there is no way I’m going to the main FOX comments page to see how much more idiocy there is, because the stupidity of the samples posted here already make me want to slit my wrists.

34 webevintage  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:02:45pm

Oh goody, I get to play The Crazy in LOL™:

THANK U FOX NEWS WE KNOE DAT TEH MAINSTREAM STATE RUN MEDIA ISN’T GOIN 2 SAY ANYTHIN. U DO NOT KNOE HOW MUTCH OV TEH POPULASHUN APPRECIATEZ TEH NEWS AN COMMENTARIEZ DAT IZ GIVEN,KEEP UP TEH GREAT WERK NO MATTR WUT OBAMA AN HIS COHORTS SAY. CEILIN CAT AS WAI OV REVEALIN HIS TRUTH, BUT 2 BLEEV WITHOUT SEEIN IZ 2 HAS DAT CEILIN CAT WANTS 2 GIV EVRYONE. ISRAEL BECAME NASHUN IN 1948, IN CEILIN CAT’S WERD HE SEZ TEH GENERASHUN DAT SEEZ DIS AR TEH TEH LAST GENERASHUN. SUM PEEPS SAY THEY R OPEND MINDD BUT RLY R NOT. IN DA LAST DAIS LOTZ DA WILL COME AGAINST ISRAEL JUS WUT OBAMA AN OTHERS R DOIN. TEH LIL CEILIN CAT OV DIS AGE HAS BLINDD DOSE HOO DO NOT 2 BLEEV.

35 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:02:56pm

re: #31 Mich-again

Nearly every ancient culture has a folktale about a great flood that engulfed the land spare some few survivors who rode the storm out in a giant boat. There is geological evidence for great floods in our history as well. Its not out of the question to say there was some historical basis for a great flood among the ancient stories that were told and retold for centuries before ever being written down. So that someone would find the remains of a ship somewhere on a mountain side in a part of the ancient civilized world is not all that surprising to me.

Indeed. Now if they find an extraterrestrial ship buried in a mountain, that would be newsworthy.

36 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:04:03pm

re: #34 webevintage

Oh goody, I get to play The Crazy in LOL™:

THANK U FOX NEWS WE KNOE DAT TEH MAINSTREAM STATE RUN MEDIA ISN’T GOIN 2 SAY ANYTHIN. U DO NOT KNOE HOW MUTCH OV TEH POPULASHUN APPRECIATEZ TEH NEWS AN COMMENTARIEZ DAT IZ GIVEN,KEEP UP TEH GREAT WERK NO MATTR WUT OBAMA AN HIS COHORTS SAY. CEILIN CAT AS WAI OV REVEALIN HIS TRUTH, BUT 2 BLEEV WITHOUT SEEIN IZ 2 HAS DAT CEILIN CAT WANTS 2 GIV EVRYONE. ISRAEL BECAME NASHUN IN 1948, IN CEILIN CAT’S WERD HE SEZ TEH GENERASHUN DAT SEEZ DIS AR TEH TEH LAST GENERASHUN. SUM PEEPS SAY THEY R OPEND MINDD BUT RLY R NOT. IN DA LAST DAIS LOTZ DA WILL COME AGAINST ISRAEL JUS WUT OBAMA AN OTHERS R DOIN. TEH LIL CEILIN CAT OV DIS AGE HAS BLINDD DOSE HOO DO NOT 2 BLEEV.

You know it seems like an intelligent argument when you put it that way.

37 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:04:07pm

re: #33 pharmmajor

Oh God… there is no way I’m going to the main FOX comments page to see how much more idiocy there is, because the stupidity of the samples posted here already make me want to slit my wrists.

Counting #33?

38 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:04:14pm

re: #35 pharmmajor

Indeed. Now if they find an extraterrestrial ship buried in a mountain, that would be newsworthy.

Listen to Coast to Coast with George Norrie. You might get close.

39 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:05:54pm

re: #38 Cannadian Club Akbar

Listen to Coast to Coast with George Norrie. You might get close.

heh,, sometimes on a clear night while I’m driving home from work at Zero -Dark-Thirty scanning the A.M. dial he’s on about 12 stations!

40 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:05:55pm

re: #35 pharmmajor

Indeed. Now if they find an extraterrestrial ship buried in a mountain, that would be newsworthy.

What would be REALLY newsworthy would be if that ship contained a light saber or a red-shirted corpse nearby.

*90,000 people would pay to come and crawl through the Jeffries tubes.

41 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:06:04pm

re: #30 palomino

Yeah, and there’s only one tiny difference between the two articles: Fox says they probably found it, and MSNBC says they probably didn’t. So much for equivalency.

I agree, Fox News didn’t link to World Net Daily, MSNBC did. Vastly different indeed.

42 Mich-again  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:06:49pm

re: #35 pharmmajor

Indeed. Now if they find an extraterrestrial ship buried in a mountain, that would be newsworthy.

The ET’s are just ancient humanoids who figured out how to make space ships thousands of years ago and their descendants come back here every now and then for some R&R. /

43 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:08:02pm

re: #42 Mich-again

The ET’s are just ancient humanoids who figured out how to make space ships thousands of years ago and their descendants come back here every now and then for some R&R. /

Sight-seeing trips!

44 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:08:14pm

re: #35 pharmmajor

Indeed. Now if they find an extraterrestrial ship buried in a mountain, that would be newsworthy.

That would be cool, but don’t contact the owners of the spaceship.

45 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:08:25pm

re: #41 NJDhockeyfan

Hey, did you hear about that guy on the Washington team that took a stick to the mouth, lost nine teeth, and still finished the game? That’s a serious hockey player.

46 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:08:27pm

re: #43 Jadespring

Sight-seeing trips!

Foraging

TO SERVE MAN

47 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:09:02pm

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

So? This thread is having an issue with FN putting it in the science & technology section of their website. MSNBC has done the same. Excuse me if I fail to see the nontroversy.

Now for some real science…

Monitor Lizard Discovered with Flame-Colored Head

This summer scientists will perform the definative test to see if it is in fact a Monitor Lizard: A troll will be brought before it. If the GAZE of the lizard causes the troll’s head to explode, then Charles will certify it as a LGF Approved Monitor Lizard.

48 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:09:37pm

re: #42 Mich-again

The ET’s are just ancient humanoids who figured out how to make space ships thousands of years ago and their descendants come back here every now and then for some R&R. /

You fool? The ET’s are the ancient traders, who are distinctly avian in nature. They’re psychic too, you know angels, they’re a result of the males making us see what looks like versions of ourselves with wings. You know dragons? That’s the females, because they’re a lot bigger and don’t hide their true form!

(Nobody is gonna get this reference)

49 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:10:01pm

re: #45 darthstar

Hey, did you hear about that guy on the Washington team that took a stick to the mouth, lost nine teeth, and still finished the game? That’s a serious hockey player.

Meanwhile, “star” baseball player cracks a cuticle and he’s on the disabled list for a month, with another month or minor league rehab!!
//

50 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:10:22pm

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

That would be cool, but don’t contact the owners of the spaceship.

Ah, the Independence Day scenario.

51 shiplord kirel  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:10:31pm
THE MAINSTREAM STATE RUN MEDIA ISN’T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.

This “state-run” media crap is a wildly popular new meme among the superstitious cave-tribes of the wingnut hinterland. They love to portray themselves as suffering vast oppression at the hands of conniving and privileged elitists. They richly deserve it, to be sure, but it’s as nonsensical as the rest of their beliefs.

52 webevintage  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:10:32pm

re: #25 EmmmieG

Just a religious note: We aren’t supposed to have proof. We’re supposed to have faith.

THAT.
That right there.
Thank you.

The world would be a happier place if folks would remember that Ceiling Cat would not need you to prove his/hers/its existence to “non-believers” anymore then Ceiling Cat needs you to fight wars for him/her/it.

53 avanti  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:10:39pm

So let me understand this. Carbon dating the “ark” at 4500 years old is accurate, but not for fossils millions of years old ?

54 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:10:42pm

re: #41 NJDhockeyfan

I agree, Fox News didn’t link to World Net Daily, MSNBC did. Vastly different indeed.

The MSNBC article approaches the latest “discovery” critically, presenting both sides. Fox doesn’t, so your equivalency argument lacks merit.

MSNBC and Fox often cover the same events; this doesn’t make their coverage identical, nor does it support blanket equivalency.

55 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:11:04pm

re: #45 darthstar

Hey, did you hear about that guy on the Washington team that took a stick to the mouth, lost nine teeth, and still finished the game? That’s a serious hockey player.

Cool! No I didn’t. I remember seeing Theo Fleury take about 40 stitches to the neck from a slash in the first period during the playoffs once and he played the 3rd period.

The prima donnas in the other sports sit on the bench when they stub a toe.

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:11:15pm

re: #45 darthstar

Hey, did you hear about that guy on the Washington team that took a stick to the mouth, lost nine teeth, and still finished the game? That’s a serious hockey player.

but still not as good as the Chicago Blackhawks. Go Hawks!

57 jaunte  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:11:28pm
The team is a joint effort between Hong Kong-based Media Evangelism, Noah’s Ark Ministry International and Turkey’s government.

Video footage shows the group exploring a wooden structure embedded in ice and volcanic debris. The team has not issued photographs of the exterior of the structure and will not give a precise location.[Link: www.express.co.uk…]


Heh.

58 webevintage  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:12:23pm

re: #53 avanti

So let me understand this. Carbon dating the “ark” at 4500 years old is accurate, but not for fossils millions of years old ?

Carbon dating is only useful when it proves their version of the Bible.

59 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:12:46pm

re: #2 EmmmieG

Send money now: You won’t get a second chance to bid on this reaaallly mummified giraffe poop.

I can get you a deal…
Hee Hee.

60 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:12:48pm

Refreshing!

Always had my Scotch neat with the occasional bit of ice since a teenager, but here I’ve mixed the ice, tonic, lemon and Single Malt, again, in the interest of science.

I’ve invented the Scottish Punch™

61 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:13:04pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

but still not as good as the Chicago Blackhawks. Go Hawks!

Go Bruins!

(hot goalie ,, ALWAYS a playoff plus!)

62 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:13:16pm

re: #53 avanti

So let me understand this. Carbon dating the “ark” at 4500 years old is accurate, but not for fossils millions of years old ?

Carbon dating is just like polling, if it supports what you believe it’s gospel if it doesn’t then its rubbish.

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:13:22pm

re: #53 avanti

So let me understand this. Carbon dating the “ark” at 4500 years old is accurate, but not for fossils millions of years old ?

Dude. The earth is only 6000 years old. WTF don’t you get?
///they didn’t have carbon dating then..more///

64 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:13:42pm

re: #39 sattv4u2

heh,, sometimes on a clear night while I’m driving home from work at Zero -Dark-Thirty scanning the A.M. dial he’s on about 12 stations!

Sir Charles Barkley declared tonight that he was betting all cash, Houses and cars coming out tonight the Cavs win the East..I’m thinking..Well you lose 10 million a year in Vegas…So who wins this year? Celtics? Not anybody Sir Charles bets on that’s for sure..

65 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:13:58pm

re: #54 palomino

The MSNBC article approaches the latest “discovery” critically, presenting both sides. Fox doesn’t, so your equivalency argument lacks merit.

MSNBC and Fox often cover the same events; this doesn’t make their coverage identical, nor does it support blanket equivalency.

I little off topic…I was wondering why MSNBC links to Fox Sports when you hit their sports link. Why not NBC sports? Why doesn’t Fox News have a sports link? Am I asking too many questions? Does anyone care? What time is it? Where am I?

66 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:14:06pm

re: #25 EmmmieG

Just a religious note: We aren’t supposed to have proof.poop. We’re supposed to have faith.

FTFY.

67 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:14:18pm

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

Eric Belanger

With about 7 minutes 30 seconds remaining in the first period of Friday night’s 2-1 loss to the Montreal Canadiens, Washington Capitals forward Eric Belanger approached Canadiens defenseman Marc-Andre Bergeron near center ice. Bergeron passed the puck away, and his stick came up and smacked Belanger in the face, causing him to double over in obvious pain. There was no penalty called, the sell-out crowd at Verizon Center responded with boos, Belanger made his way to the bench - and returned to play more than 10 minutes in the game.

Okay…I heard 9 teeth…maybe it was ONLY 8.

68 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:14:22pm

re: #64 HoosierHoops

is he really “Sir”….?

69 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:14:32pm

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

That would be cool, but don’t contact the owners of the spaceship.

I don’t understand why Hawking is so wary of contact with life beyond our planet. I for one would welcome our new alien overlords.

70 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:14:39pm

Blind dating is unreliable as well.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:14:58pm

FUCK YEAH CAPSLOCK

Fox News commenters are like youtube commenters, you just sort of get this icky gray feeling about the sorts of people who say such things

72 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:15:30pm

re: #68 WindHorse

is he really “Sir”…?

Stand next to him and call him something else,,, go ahead ,,,

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:15:30pm

re: #70 Bagua

Blind dating is unreliable as well.

Not if you’re ugly and dating the blind. Just sayin’.
/

74 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:15:34pm

re: #69 pharmmajor

I don’t understand why Hawking is so wary of contact with life beyond our planet. I for one would welcome our new alien overlords.

Stephen Colbert did a bit on that tonight, one day we might aspire to have a baseball team called the Cleavland Humans!

75 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:15:39pm

re: #71 WindUpBird

I love that one…thinking about making it into a T-shirt

76 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:15:47pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

I little off topic…I was wondering why MSNBC links to Fox Sports when you hit their sports link. Why not NBC sports? Why doesn’t Fox News have a sports link? Am I asking too many questions? Does anyone care? What time is it? Where am I?

MSNBC and Fox are the same—just check out their AGW coverage.

77 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:15:57pm

re: #53 avanti

Well, Carbon dating doesn’t go back millions of years… but your point remains.

I wonder how they can accept the dating of this found wood on a mountain, yet refuse to accept the dating of bronze-age sites all over the world?

Oh, I know the answer… still, it is such a good example of cognitive dissonance.

78 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:16:49pm

re: #68 WindHorse

is he really “Sir”…?

Yes, but only to the bookies!

79 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:17:07pm

re: #69 pharmmajor

I don’t understand why Hawking is so wary of contact with life beyond our planet. I for one would welcome our new alien overlords.

Me too. My daughter would probably want one for a pet.

Did Dennis Kucinich have a comment on the subject?

80 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:18:04pm

re: #68 WindHorse

is he really “Sir”…?

Yes he is..Anyone ever seen him play in the old days.. Sir Charles..
You didn’t fuck with him in the paint..
I feel sorry for him..He has gone down hill for years now..Gambling millions away for years…Sad

81 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:18:56pm

re: #76 palomino

MSNBC and Fox are the same—just check out their AGW coverage.

I don’t think AGW has anything to do with it. If so, I must have missed that story.

82 shiplord kirel  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:19:01pm

re: #53 avanti

So let me understand this. Carbon dating the “ark” at 4500 years old is accurate, but not for fossils millions of years old ?

Radio-carbon dating is used only for organic materials of comparatively recent origin. The current limit is about 60,000 years. Dates in the millions and even billions of years can be reliably achieved by several other forms of radiometric testing, including uranium/lead and potassium/argon. Fossils are not directly dated by these methods, since they are not molten at the time of origin, but by stratigraphic association with igneous rocks that solidified at roughly the same time.

83 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:19:16pm

re: #80 HoosierHoops

I remember him from those years…. yes, sorry I had forgotten…..

84 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:19:30pm

Well now. Since they found Noah’s Ark I guess you can say the Earth was repopulated as a result of incest. Does that mean we’re all inbred?

It’s teh science!

//

85 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:19:30pm

re: #54 palomino

The MSNBC article approaches the latest “discovery” critically, presenting both sides. Fox doesn’t, so your equivalency argument lacks merit.

MSNBC and Fox often cover the same events; this doesn’t make their coverage identical, nor does it support blanket equivalency.

Fox caters to the gullible and easily manipulated more than the other networks do. The easiest people to suck in and gain loyalty from are the same ones who send money to TV evangelists for ‘prayer partners’…the ones who watch infomercials for the entertainment value, when they already have all the products at home from having purchased them during previous viewings.

86 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:19:52pm

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

It’s in the science section of MSNBC as well.

Do you honestly not see the rather huge, glaring difference between these two articles?

87 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:20:27pm

re: #82 shiplord kirel

60,000 years? But the earth is only 6,000 years old!
///

88 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:20:36pm

re: #64 HoosierHoops

Sir Charles Barkley declared tonight that he was betting all cash, Houses and cars coming out tonight the Cavs win the East..I’m thinking..Well you lose 10 million a year in Vegas…So who wins this year? Celtics? Not anybody Sir Charles bets on that’s for sure..

The “Big Three’ must know this is their last chance (age is catching up to them) so IF they can get by the Cavs THEN (probably) the Magic THEN (most likely) the Lakers they will have earned it

89 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:20:59pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Well now. Since they found Noah’s Ark I guess you can say the Earth was repopulated as a result of incest. Does that mean we’re all inbred?

It’s teh science!

//


Hell we all descended from Adam and Eve also…

So that means we’re all cousins.

That’s right!

(Hums dueling banjos)

90 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:21:12pm

re: #83 WindHorse

I also remember Oscar Robertson….. no day-glo hair… no 200-LB weight gain…

Sir Oscar Robertson….

yeah, that’s the ticket.

91 avanti  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:21:22pm

re: #82 shiplord kirel

Radio-carbon dating is used only for organic materials of comparatively recent origin. The current limit is about 60,000 years. Dates in the millions and even billions of years can be reliably achieved by several other forms of radiometric testing, including uranium/lead and potassium/argon. Fossils are not directly dated by these methods, since they are not molten at the time of origin, but by stratigraphic association with igneous rocks that solidified at roughly the same time.

Thanks to both of you, I’m now up to speed on the two methods.

92 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:21:44pm

re: #80 HoosierHoops

It’s his money & if’n he chooses to spend it on “entertainment” like that, well, it’s still his money. Too bad, he doesn’t have someone he trusts, to get him away from that.

93 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:22:03pm

re: #89 jamesfirecat

Hell we all descended from Adam and Eve also…

So that means we’re all cousins.

That’s right!

(Hums dueling banjos)

Care for some ribs with the banjo music?

We also have a talking snake.

/

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:23:05pm

I love the term ‘ark-hunter’. Where do I apply to be an ark hunter? Do you need to hunt lesser biblical artifacts first to build up your resume?

95 Racer X  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:23:32pm

Working people frequently ask retired people what they do to make their days interesting.

Well, for example, the other day my wife and I went into town and went into a shop. We were only in there for about 5 minutes. When we came out, there was a cop writing out a parking ticket. We went up to him and said, “Come on, man, how about giving a senior citizen a break?”

He ignored us and continued writing the ticket. I called him a Nazi Turd. He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having worn tires. So my wife called him a @#$%head. He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first. Then he started writing a third ticket.

This went on for about 20 minutes. The more we abused him, the more tickets he wrote. Personally, we didn’t care. We came into town by bus and saw the car had an Obama sticker. We try to have a little fun each day now that we’re retired. It’s important at our age.

96 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:23:33pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

I love the term ‘ark-hunter’. Where do I apply to be an ark hunter? Do you need to hunt lesser biblical artifacts first to build up your resume?

You need a cool fedora, a leather jacket, and a bull-whip.

97 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:23:34pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Care for some ribs with the banjo music?

We also have a talking snake.

/

That’s kinda rude. My talking snake says “fuck you”.
/10

98 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:23:49pm

re: #88 sattv4u2

Are the Lakers still in it? I keep looking but never see their games televised…and they’re my favorite team.

99 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:24:19pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

You fool? The ET’s are the ancient traders, who are distinctly avian in nature. They’re psychic too, you know angels, they’re a result of the males making us see what looks like versions of ourselves with wings. You know dragons? That’s the females, because they’re a lot bigger and don’t hide their true form!

(Nobody is gonna get this reference)

So what’s the reference? It sounds vaguely familiar to me and I’m going a bit wonky trying to place it.

100 darthstar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:24:27pm

okay…wife just called…time to put some stuff on her iPod so she has something to listen to coming home from work besides the BBC.

Play nice, everyone.

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:24:31pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

I love the term ‘ark-hunter’. Where do I apply to be an ark hunter? Do you need to hunt lesser biblical artifacts first to build up your resume?

Just an “Arc Hunter License”.

102 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:24:39pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

I love the term ‘ark-hunter’. Where do I apply to be an ark hunter? Do you need to hunt lesser biblical artifacts first to build up your resume?

“IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!”

“So do you!”

103 wee fury  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:25:15pm

re: #95 Racer X

:D

104 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:25:30pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

I love the term “bounty hunter”…. but I only get to watch TV when I am traveling and staying in a motel…. did Mexico ever let him go?

105 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:25:50pm

re: #99 Jadespring

So what’s the reference? It sounds vaguely familiar to me and I’m going a bit wonky trying to place it.

The Morrigi from Sword of the Stars.

106 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:26:06pm

re: #98 darthstar

Are the Lakers still in it? I keep looking but never see their games televised…and they’re my favorite team.

They’re on right now (TNT)

Series is tied 2-2, but the Lakers are ahead 67-39 tonight

107 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:26:07pm

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just an “Arc Hunter License”.

Cool. I’m going to get one of those and start looking. I think I’ll start with my backyard and work out from there.

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:26:12pm

re: #96 EmmmieG

You need a cool fedora, a leather jacket, and a bull-whip.

THROW ME THE IDOL

109 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:26:27pm

re: #104 WindHorse

I love the term “bounty hunter”… but I only get to watch TV when I am traveling and staying in a motel… did Mexico ever let him go?

Yep. But he got the rapist fucker.

110 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:26:27pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t think AGW has anything to do with it. If so, I must have missed that story.

No, you just missed the context. This is all about science, an area where there’s not really much equivalency between MSNBC and Fox. AGW is just the most prominent example of the weakness in science reporting at Fox.

111 shiplord kirel  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:26:49pm

My son-in-law, a theologically conservative Baptist minister, thinks creationism is a disgusting hoax. The dwindling number of traditional (ie pre-televangelism) Baptists generally do, since it is an obvious and rather crude attempt to undermine the traditional Baptist doctrine of separation of church and state.

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:27:43pm

re: #95 Racer X

haha this is why I don’t have any bumper stickers that aren’t for bands

113 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:27:56pm

re: #107 Jadespring

Cool. I’m going to get one of those and start looking. I think I’ll start with my backyard and work out from there.

If you find a “Tim’s” regular, it’s mine.:)

114 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:29:02pm

re: #105 jamesfirecat

The Morrigi from Sword of the Stars.

LOL. Okay that’s not it considering I’ve never heard of it. Must be remembering something else.

115 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:29:05pm

re: #92 Floral Giraffe

It’s his money & if’n he chooses to spend it on “entertainment” like that, well, it’s still his money. Too bad, he doesn’t have someone he trusts, to get him away from that.

I know friend…Some of us would be appalled spending 10 Million dollars in Vegas with high rolling girls…
It is easy for us to judge Sir Charles….Shit he corrupted Tiger and that’s a fact..
It’s not fair for me to judge them..I’ve never had a AMEX card with 100 million dollar limit with a comped suite in Vegas…
I shall not judge..( Psss..Barkley…Call me..I’m your friend…call me)
/

116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:29:34pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

“IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!”

“So do you!”

WE

ARE GOING

TO DIE!

:(

117 Jadespring  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:29:35pm

re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you find a “Tim’s” regular, it’s mine.:)

Noted.

118 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:30:09pm

re: #95 Racer X

Ok, you win for tonight.
Will you pay for my tickets?
///

119 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:30:31pm

re: #116 WindUpBird

WE

ARE GOING

TO DIE!

:(

We’re not drowning we’re crashing!

120 Racer X  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:31:38pm

re: #115 HoosierHoops

Heh. Barkley just said he would bet everything he owns on the Cavs beating the Celtics.

121 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:31:44pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Care for some ribs with the banjo music?

We also have a talking snake.

/

Snakes…

Why did it have to be snakes…

122 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:32:14pm

re: #121 ShaunP

Snakes…

Why did it have to be snakes…

Asps. Very dangerous. You go first.

123 Racer X  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:32:34pm

re: #64 HoosierHoops

Sir Charles Barkley declared tonight that he was betting all cash, Houses and cars coming out tonight the Cavs win the East..I’m thinking..Well you lose 10 million a year in Vegas…So who wins this year? Celtics? Not anybody Sir Charles bets on that’s for sure..

Duh-oh!

That what I get for reading the thread in reverse.

124 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:32:47pm

re: #120 Racer X

Heh. Barkley just said he would bet everything he owns on the Cavs beating the Celtics.

He probably already placed the bet.
(Sad, but might be true.)
Silly Punter.

125 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:32:59pm

re: #86 Charles

Do you honestly not see the rather huge, glaring difference between these two articles?

I see them both reporting Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers claim they found the Ark. I saw the same story on Yahoo, ABC, The NY Daily News, The Times of India, and tons more news websites reporting the same thing. Sorry, I don’t see anything to get excited about.

126 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:33:17pm

re: #122 EmmmieG

Asps. Very dangerous. You go first.

Nobody tosses a dwarf!

Wait wrong John Rhys Davis part….

Indie they’re digging in the wrong place!

127 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:33:24pm

I have a friend who lost his wife, two daughters and a bunch of money on gambling……

….and I ask why could anyone do that?

128 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:34:10pm

re: #121 ShaunP

Snakes…

Why did it have to be snakes…

Didn’t it start out first as a Serpent? I don’t know. Because snakes have been traditionally feared by humans as EmmmieG indicates.

129 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:34:28pm

re: #115 HoosierHoops

Stupid is as stupid does.
More money = bigger stupid.
I was sorry when he got divorced.
An athlete, with that kind of travel & competitive schedule, needs a loving home, as much or more than anybody.

130 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:34:35pm

re: #110 palomino

No, you just missed the context. This is all about science, an area where there’s not really much equivalency between MSNBC and Fox. AGW is just the most prominent example of the weakness in science reporting at Fox.

Dude, I was asking about the sports links. How in the world did you get AGW somehow rolled into that?

LOL!

131 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:36:25pm

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Dude, I was asking about the sports links. How in the world did you get AGW somehow rolled into that?

LOL!

AGW is melting the ice caps

It’s NHL hockey playoff time

Hockey is played on ice

YOU do the math!!

///

132 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:37:01pm

re: #131 sattv4u2

AGW is melting the ice caps

It’s NHL hockey playoff time

Hockey is played on ice

YOU do the math!!

///

Shit! I forgot to connect the dots!

133 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:37:18pm

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Dude, I was asking about the sports links. How in the world did you get AGW somehow rolled into that?

LOL!

Why would you bring up sports links in a thread about Fox’s inferior science reporting? How is it relevant?

LOL, LOL!!

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:37:40pm

re: #127 WindHorse

I have a friend who lost his wife, two daughters and a bunch of money on gambling…

…and I ask why could anyone do that?

I’d ask him. I’m not trying to be an asshole. Where the fuck are his priorities?

135 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:37:56pm

re: #132 NJDhockeyfan

Shit! I forgot to connect the dots!

…
FTFY!

136 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:38:40pm

re: #135 Floral Giraffe

…
FTFY!

._._.

ftfY!

137 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:38:44pm

re: #95 Racer X

Working people frequently ask retired people what they do to make their days interesting.

Well, for example, the other day my wife and I went into town and went into a shop. We were only in there for about 5 minutes. When we came out, there was a cop writing out a parking ticket. We went up to him and said, “Come on, man, how about giving a senior citizen a break?”

He ignored us and continued writing the ticket. I called him a Nazi Turd. He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having worn tires. So my wife called him a @#$%head. He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first. Then he started writing a third ticket.

This went on for about 20 minutes. The more we abused him, the more tickets he wrote. Personally, we didn’t care. We came into town by bus and saw the car had an Obama sticker. We try to have a little fun each day now that we’re retired. It’s important at our age.

[snicker] Nice twist to that joke.

138 Racer X  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:38:48pm

Miniature Park

139 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:38:59pm

re: #125 NJDhockeyfan

I see them both reporting Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers claim they found the Ark. I saw the same story on Yahoo, ABC, The NY Daily News, The Times of India, and tons more news websites reporting the same thing. Sorry, I don’t see anything to get excited about.

the difference is the Fox spin takes this mumbojumbo seriously, packaged nice and neat for the wacky creationists

140 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:39:21pm

re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar

…..and he won’t talk to me anymore….. sad.

141 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:39:58pm

re: #133 palomino

Why would you bring up sports links in a thread about Fox’s inferior science reporting? How is it relevant?

LOL, LOL!!

Because I can. This is not a closed structured thread where everyone is supposed to only post comments on thread title. You’ve been here 6 months and haven’t noticed that yet?

142 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:40:14pm

Don’t the shinin’ moon look pretty, shining down through the trees… I see my baby, when she don’t see me…

shine on, Shining Moon
-Lightnin’ Hopkins

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:41:22pm

re: #140 WindHorse

…and he won’t talk to me anymore… sad.

He will eventually. I bet he won’t talk to you because he knows what you will say and he doesn’t wanna hear it.

144 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:41:28pm
MP3 Audio
145 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:42:00pm

re: #139 WindUpBird

the difference is the Fox spin takes this mumbojumbo seriously, packaged nice and neat for the wacky creationists

You guys are killin’ me with the scary Fox News meltdown. This is hilarious.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:42:50pm

re: #142 Bagua

Upding for Lightnin’ Hopkins!

147 swamprat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:44:31pm

A Russian friend of mine was on an archaeological expedition along the base of the mountain in question in 1942. They did not find the Arc, but they found an amazing assortment of stone and wood artifacts. The youngest was 3000 years old. They found them on every face of the mountain, near almost every road and path. Most of these artifacts were flat and made of wood, some were stone of different configurations.Most of them them had words, some in two or more languages and some were just simple pictures. He said they were quite excited, and became more so when they realized they had not stumbled across a battleground grave site. They were signs. Thousands, not hundreds of years old. On every road up the mountain.
Different translations, but the same basic message.
This way to the arc.
See the arc.
Arc tours, only_ _ _ pieces of silver.
Stay at the Arc bordello.
Arc meal special on Saturn’s day.
Arc tour less than standard price with two or more wives.
Etc


/I kid

148 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:45:10pm

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Because I can. This is not a closed structured thread where everyone is supposed to only post comments on thread title. You’ve been here 6 months and haven’t noticed that yet?

No, I haven’t noticed most commenters abruptly changing the topic to sports in the middle of AGW threads.

But you win—Fox has better sports coverage than MSNBC.

149 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:46:04pm

re: #142 Bagua

Don’t the shinin’ moon look pretty, shining down through the trees… I see my baby, when she don’t see me…

shine on, Shining Moon
-Lightnin’ Hopkins


Cruel, cruel moon
Please don’t come out tonight
‘Cause when you do
My Emily Lou
And me are gonna have a fight

They say the full moon’s meant for lovers
But you’re gonna break my heart
‘Cause when you shine
That baby of mine
Will turn into a werewolf
And rip out my throat and kill me…

From Cruel Cruel moon by Paul and Storm.

150 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:46:35pm

re: #148 palomino

No, I haven’t noticed most commenters abruptly changing the topic to sports in the middle of AGW threads.

But you win—Fox has better sports coverage than MSNBC.

Huh? Do another bong hit Spicoli.

151 Racer X  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:46:48pm

re: #147 swamprat

Now THAT was funny!

152 ShaunP  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:48:31pm

And….

Done. Good night all…

153 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:48:42pm

This is something serious to keep an eye on…

Europeans Fear Greek Debt Crisis Will Spread


As Greece inches closer to the brink of financial collapse, fear that the debt crisis will spread is engulfing Europe.

Increasingly, investors wonder if Portugal, Spain and even Ireland may not be able to borrow the billions of dollars they need to finance their government spending.

“It’s like Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns,” said Philip Lane, a professor of international economics at Trinity College in Ireland, referring to the Wall Street failures that propelled the financial crisis of 2008. “It is not so much the fundamentals as it is the unwillingness of the market to fund you.”

A major ratings agency cut Greece’s debt to junk level on Tuesday, warning that bondholders could face losses of up to 50 percent of their holdings in a restructuring. The agency also downgraded Portugal’s debt by two notches.

154 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:50:24pm

re: #150 NJDhockeyfan

Please don’t fling insults like that.

155 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:50:26pm

re: #150 NJDhockeyfan

Huh? Do another bong hit Spicoli.

Oh, suddenly NOW the stream of consciousness in OTHER people’s posts is a problem.

I didn’t get personal, you did. You throw out that shit, I assume, cuz you got nothing else, particularly on the matter of science reporting at your beloved Fox News.

156 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:51:10pm

Loch Ness monster is real: former Scottish police chief

The revelation that a former Scottish police chief believed in the Loch Ness monster and was concerned for its survival underscores how Scottish authorities have sought to protect the iconic beast, says Loren Coleman, a leading experts on mythic animals.

“The Scottish government has long been interested in protecting Nessie,” says Loren Coleman, who is co-author of The Field Guide to Lake Monsters, Sea Serpents, and Other Mystery Denizens of the Deep. “This just reinforces this whole notion (that) the officials in Scotland take this creature very seriously.”

Newly publicized documents reveal that a former Scottish police chief believed that the existence of the Loch Ness monster was “beyond doubt” but its protection could not be ensured.

William Fraser, chief constable of Inverness-shire Constabulary in the 1930s, wrote a letter expressing fears that a London man might kill the beast with a large harpoon gun. “That there is some strange creature in Loch Ness seems now beyond doubt, but that the police have any power to protect it is very doubtful,” Mr. Fraser wrote.

To be sure, most biologists believe Nessie to be a myth, and nothing more, pointing out that large animals typically leave large remains when they die. No “monster” carcass has ever been found.

But as recently as 1999, Scottish authorities took steps to ensure the safety of their tourist-attracting monster, Mr. Coleman told the Monitor in a telephone interview from Portland, Maine, where he runs the International Cryptozoology Museum.

157 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:52:14pm

Wingnuts say the darndest things:

Posted by: Day of the Lord (sarcasm) Of course they will show us a cartoon picture of a monkey becoming and man and we are supposed to just believe that evolution is real. Please… Noah’s Ark has 1 million times more evidence than evolution. Remember the Piltdown Man Hoax?

Okay I am done venting…

158 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:54:46pm

re: #155 palomino

Oh, suddenly NOW the stream of consciousness in OTHER people’s posts is a problem.

I didn’t get personal, you did. You throw out that shit, I assume, cuz you got nothing else, particularly on the matter of science reporting at your beloved Fox News.

Oh please. your post made no sense. I made a comment on sports links and you tried to twist it into some sort of AGW related story. Now you are back to the science thing again. What science & AGW have to do with sports I don’t know.

159 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:55:23pm

re: #157 Gus 802

Wingnuts say the darndest things:

This is what happens when you get your science education from your pastor, or Sarah Palin.

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:56:48pm

I find little inspiration in things, but for some reason, this “sparks” that. Nighty all. Thanks you for a fine time tonight.

Youtube Video
161 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:57:28pm

This story is working its way through the system:

Admiral: Gulf drilling disaster ‘one of the most significant oil spills in US history’

The Plan B if they can’t get the oil to stop soon is to start a fire to try and burn the oil before it moves too close to shore.

The story is starting to play into politics:

Gulf spill gives Gov. Crist pause over drilling

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist touched ground after about 90 minutes above the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday and had no doubts about where he stood on oil drilling off his state’s shore: Not now, no way.

If indeed the oil flow can’t be stopped soon and the shoreline of the Gulf states start to get tarred, I wonder if Rubio will join Crist wrt drilling? Rubio is of course gifted with the support of the Queen of “DBD” and her supporters, but Floridians have long not been wanting drilling off their coasts.

162 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:58:05pm

re: #157 Gus 802

Wingnuts say the darndest things:

Yeah, that one is scary.

163 Racer X  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:59:24pm

Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air…

164 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:00:17pm

re: #158 NJDhockeyfan

What science & AGW have to do with sports I don’t know.

Neither do I, which is why I questioned you bringing it up on a science thread. I wouldn’t have responded to you, but in response to one of my posts, you went off on a sports tangent.

Whatever, hardly a big deal, but the Spicoli thing is really 3rd grade and uncalled for. I didn’t get personal with you in any way.

165 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:00:20pm

re: #161 freetoken

How long till we see the conspiracy theorists blaming the government calling the explosion an ‘inside job’?

166 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:02:47pm

Well, I find this cool.

[Link: www.deseretnews.com…]

167 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:03:12pm

re: #163 Racer X

Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air…

Do NOT look up!

168 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:03:31pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, that one is scary.

Right. A million times more evidence. Sure. The peak of Mt. Ararat is 16,854. The geology of the area does not include any indication of flooding within the past 6000 years. That is if we were to get technical. You can’t convince people that fables aren’t meant to be history or fact.

169 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:04:00pm

re: #164 palomino

Neither do I, which is why I questioned you bringing it up on a science thread. I wouldn’t have responded to you, but in response to one of my posts, you went off on a sports tangent.

Whatever, hardly a big deal, but the Spicoli thing is really 3rd grade and uncalled for. I didn’t get personal with you in any way.

Sorry about the Spicoli comment.

I’ll try to control myself with sports comments on science threads from now on. I didn’t know it was such a touchy issue.

170 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:04:35pm

re: #161 freetoken


If indeed the oil flow can’t be stopped soon and the shoreline of the Gulf states start to get tarred, I wonder if Rubio will join Crist wrt drilling? Rubio is of course gifted with the support of the Queen of “DBD” and her supporters, but Floridians have long not been wanting drilling off their coasts.

But how many registered Republicans are among the Floridians who oppose OSDrilling?

“DBD” is such a GOP mantra at this point (Palin, Steele, Bachmann, McCain, et al) it’s doubtful Rubio would change his stance, or that his stance would hurt him against Crist (who must be punished for shaking hands with Obama).

171 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:05:03pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

Obviously it was the work of the NAFTA apparatus, since their goal is to make the US more dependent upon Mexican and Canadian oil and not our own.

DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW

/it’s either that, or BUY SEEDS!!

172 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:05:14pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

How long till we see the conspiracy theorists blaming the government calling the explosion an ‘inside job’?

It
s probably already happened. Nutcases work into their frenzies quickly.

173 Racer X  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:05:22pm

Pink Floyd Live At Pompeii - Echoes (Part 2)

Youtube Video
174 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:05:51pm

re: #169 NJDhockeyfan

Sorry about the Spicoli comment.

I’ll try to control myself with sports comments on science threads from now on. I didn’t know it was such a touchy issue.

Also, the bubblegum, cut it out, it’s disrespectful.

175 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:05:59pm

re: #170 palomino

I’ve bought into the idea that Crist wants to run as an independent.

176 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:07:13pm

re: #174 Bagua

Also, the bubblegum, cut it out, it’s disrespectful.

What *pop* do you have *pop* against gum?
*snap*
LOL!
*Hi Bagua*

177 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:07:50pm

re: #175 freetoken

I’ve bought into the idea that Crist wants to run as an independent.

No other way to conceivably win. Scary times for a candidate!

178 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:07:50pm

re: #169 NJDhockeyfan

Sorry about the Spicoli comment.

I’ll try to control myself with sports comments on science threads from now on. I didn’t know it was such a touchy issue.

No biggie. If there were more sports threads here, I’d probably post more often. But then things would probably get MORE acrimonious, as there aren’t many things touchier than sports allegiance.

My curse is being a non-Laker fan who lives in L.A.

179 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:08:06pm

re: #174 Bagua

Also, the bubblegum, cut it out, it’s disrespectful.

OK, I lied…here’s some sports news…

‘Mr. Baseball’ Bob Uecker to Have Heart Surgery

MILWAUKEE - “It’s something that has to be done.”

With those words, longtime Brewers Broadcaster Bob Uecker announced today that he is expected to miss 10-12 weeks in the broadcast booth.

Uecker is scheduled to undergo heart surgery this Friday. He explained his medical issues during a news conference Tuesday at Miller Park.

“I have a bit of a health problem that we’ve known about for a little while. It’s gotten progressively worse as the season has gone on. It’s been monitored by the staff at Froedert,” said Uecker

“I was given the OK to travel and to do my exercises, swimming and everything else that I do health-wise. Until the last couple of scans that were taken, and some of the health problems became more evident to a point where it’s necessary to make some changes.

180 kmcshea  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:09:12pm

wanna make some money …… get a big jar of olive oil and a box of glass viles …. fill the viles with the oil and print a paper stating this is blessed healing oil from Jerusalem ….. advertise this on FOX for 30 bucks a vile…. you will be a millionaire

181 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:09:14pm

re: #176 Floral Giraffe

What *pop* do you have *pop* against gum?
*snap*
LOL!
*Hi Bagua*

Some subjects are sacred, one must retain the correct demeanor in Church. No sports, and NO bubblegum!

182 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:10:26pm

re: #181 Bagua

Bob Uecker will be in my prayers at church this Sunday…..

183 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:10:43pm

re: #180 kmcshea

wanna make some money … get a big jar of olive oil and a box of glass viles … fill the viles with the oil and print a paper stating this is blessed healing oil from Jerusalem … advertise this on FOX for 30 bucks a vile… you will be a millionaire

Go ahead. Let us know how it goes. Good luck!

184 Turu The Terrible  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:10:46pm

re: #156 NJDhockeyfan

Loch Ness monster is real: former Scottish police chief

Of course Nessie is real. She’s a distant cousin of mine.

185 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:11:28pm

Way past my bed time. Later lizards!

Stay scaly!

186 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:12:08pm

re: #181 Bagua

Some subjects are sacred, one must retain the correct demeanor in Church. No sports, and NO bubblegum!

My favorite sports picture of me, is in high school, playing state tourney tennis, with a big old green bubble in front of my face! Yum, green apple gum!
How you be, my friend?

187 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:12:14pm

re: #182 WindHorse

Bob Uecker will be in my prayers at church this Sunday…

Good point, the issue is complex…

188 palomino  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:12:28pm

re: #175 freetoken

I’ve bought into the idea that Crist wants to run as an independent.

Maybe he can pull off what Lieberman did in CT. Cirst IS still really popular outside the GOP base.

But in CT, the GOP candidate was really weak, so it was easy for Lieberman to win the general, because a lot of Republicans voted for him. Crist may not get much Dem support, as they have a (semi) credible candidate.

Also, independent bids are easier in small states (see Sanders in Vermont).

189 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:13:28pm

re: #187 Bagua

….I grew up in Milwaukee…. Bob Uecker…. Pabst…. somewhere, we gotta draw a line….

190 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:13:32pm

re: #186 Floral Giraffe


How you be, my friend?

Strangely enough, quite happy, what with the state of the world and all.

191 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:13:48pm

re: #180 kmcshea

Well, for starters, a vile, is something not nice. A Vial is a vessel t o hold a liquid. Other than that, well, you can try! Let us know how it goes!

192 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:14:46pm

re: #190 Bagua

Strangely enough, quite happy, what with the state of the world and all.

Hooray! Keep up the good work.
The world will survive, with or without us!

193 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:15:37pm

re: #189 WindHorse

…I grew up in Milwaukee… Bob Uecker… Pabst… somewhere, we gotta draw a line…

Let’s drink a draft for Bob’s health!

194 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:16:43pm

re: #193 Bagua

….as long as it’s in a can….. I’m cool….

195 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:17:23pm

re: #194 WindHorse

…as long as it’s in a can… I’m cool…

Then make mine a Diet Pepsi.

196 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:18:01pm

I have a question about the Arizona “stop anyone who doesn’t look like this” law. (Typical white Americans. OK, forget that guy second from right in the back row. He slipped in there somehow.)

The man behind this law, Mr. Tanton, has been thoroughly excoriated in an earlier thread.

What I don’t understand is his reference to “Darwinian-Galtonian” eugenics.

What the hell is Galtonian? Anything to do with Ayn Rand?

197 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:18:31pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

…you’re from Chicago then….?

:)

198 celticdragon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:19:53pm

re: #168 Gus 802

Right. A million times more evidence. Sure. The peak of Mt. Ararat is 16,854. The geology of the area does not include any indication of flooding within the past 6000 years. That is if we were to get technical. You can’t convince people that fables aren’t meant to be history or fact.

To say nothing of recent flood deposits or tsunami style soft sediment deformation on mountains over 16,000 feet tall.

The more plausible explanations I have seen for the Noachian flood (and flood stories are endemic to cultures on almost every continent…) is a hypothetical event on the south shore of the Black Sea. There are at least sedimentary clues to back that up. (no link right now. I’m tired.)

199 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:21:34pm

re: #196 Cato the Elder

Isn’t Galton usually associated with being one of the founders of the Eugenics movement?

200 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:22:24pm

re: #196 Cato the Elder

a Galtonian is two steps beneath a Houstonian….. Jethro….

201 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:22:29pm

re: #192 Floral Giraffe

Hooray! Keep up the good work.
The world will survive, with or without us!

I’ve done enough damage lord knows, trying to fix things. As a result, I’m reluctant to meddle in the present. Maintaining my own level of entertainment and comfort in the present. In this way I’m able to uplift all mankind, starting with me. The motive is humanitarian. It’s the trickle on and on theory, all good.

202 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:22:57pm

re: #197 WindHorse

…you’re from Chicago then…?

:)

Born and raised. But I simply don’t enjoy the taste of beer and soda is much cheaper. And I need lots of fluids, so cost does matter, as does intoxication (which I avoid as dangerous).

203 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:24:21pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

you obviously didn’t spend enough time at some lake cottage in Wisconsin growing up then…..

-Diet Pepsi works though….

;)

204 Lidane  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:24:29pm

re: #199 freetoken

Isn’t Galton usually associated with being one of the founders of the Eugenics movement?

That’s what Google seems to suggest. Every link I see when I search for Galtonian has to do with Sir Francis Galton, who was a eugenicist.

205 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:24:58pm

re: #199 freetoken

Isn’t Galton usually associated with being one of the founders of the Eugenics movement?

Don’t know. That’s why I asked.

But thanks for the googling lead.

206 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:27:14pm

re: #196 Cato the Elder

I’m the gal on the far right of the picture. Looks aren’t everything, you know!

207 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:28:05pm

re: #205 Cato the Elder

The anti-Darwinians’ oft heard cry is the evolution leads to eugenics, e.g. - People like Dalton were supposedly scientists who depended upon gentics, Darwin was a scientist who believed in genetics, ergo propter hoc…

208 Bagua  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:28:22pm

Lead by Googling™

209 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:28:25pm
THANK YOU FOX NEWS WE KNOW THAT THE MAINSTREAM STATE RUN MEDIA ISN’T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING. YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE POPULATION APPRECIATES THE NEWS AND COMMENTARIES THAT IS GIVEN

Yeah, but I do. By the ratings, it’s less than 1% of the American population. Less than that, even, if you take into account those who watch for the purpose of fact checking, mockery, and morbid curiosity.

210 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:28:45pm

re: #207 freetoken

Darwin also believed in *gasp*evolution!

211 Irenicum  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:29:27pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

And we all know what evolution leads to…


DANCING!

212 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:30:38pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

Since we’re talking about the Ark, couldn’t one say that saving only one man and his immediate family was, in a sense, a type of “eugenics”?

213 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:30:38pm

re: #4 researchok

Another great argument for school vouchers.

But the reality is that the voucher schools post better results than state schools half the time, and they always cost less. Carefully selected voucher schools do a good job. The others, well, in a competitive world, they ought to be dying out.

214 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:30:53pm

re: #211 Irenicum

You put you left foot in, you put your right front out….
You’re doing the HOKEY POKEY!
OMG.

215 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:31:57pm

re: #203 WindHorse

you obviously didn’t spend enough time at some lake cottage in Wisconsin growing up then…

-Diet Pepsi works though…

;)

My extended family does own a lake cottage. Did you know that, or did you guess?

216 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:32:30pm

Off topic, but what the hell? Do these people even understand the constitution? My irony meter is long since broken.

217 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:33:13pm

re: #212 freetoken

As per der Wiki, yes.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
I know LOTS of plant people doing very selective breeding.

218 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:33:31pm

re: #211 Irenicum

And we all know what evolution leads to…

DANCING!

Then you got trouble, right here in River City.

If Harold Hill had been pushing creationism, River City would have been an equally ripe target.

219 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:34:25pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

My parents had a place on Green Lake and all of our friends were from Chicago suburbs…. Glen Ellyn, Park Ridge, Glenview etc.

it was a lucky guess…..

220 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:34:28pm

re: #216 tnguitarist

Ship them to planet nine.
Problem solved!

221 Irenicum  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:34:34pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Yep. Snake oil never goes out of season. There’s always a ready market.

222 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:35:14pm

re: #216 tnguitarist

Off topic, but what the hell? Do these people even understand the constitution? My irony meter is long since broken.

The trouble with being out of touch with reality is that you’re out of touch with reality. If you did microchip people, they could just walk into any little clinic and get it surgically removed. It’s not as though the chip would be implanted behind the thalamus or something.

223 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:35:31pm

re: #219 WindHorse

Cottageist!
LOL, and a hee hee, because I bet you have a tire swing, too!

224 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:35:38pm

re: #219 WindHorse

My parents had a place on Green Lake and all of our friends were from Chicago suburbs… Glen Ellyn, Park Ridge, Glenview etc.

it was a lucky guess…

Cool. Good men often find they have things in common.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:36:09pm

On Topic: An old post…

Has anyone ever taken the time to add up the sizes and weights of “two of every animal” that has ever existed and exists today, and added to that the amount of food, by weight and volume, all of these animals would need to sustain themselves for forty days (including the carnivores, the feeding of which would of course necessitate much more than just “two of every animal”), and then used such info to calculate just how large Noah’s Ark would have to actually be to pull this off?

I am no mathematician, but I’d bet Noah’s Ark would have to be at least the size of Japan, and much like a glacier, would have many more volumes of space plunging below the water line compared to what is visible above it.

226 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:36:31pm

re: #220 Floral Giraffe

Ship them to planet nine.
Problem solved!

I thought the “ninth planet” (Pluto) had been de-planetized !!

227 Irenicum  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:36:32pm

re: #214 Floral Giraffe

Which reminds me of a truly disturbing video I saw showing what they called a Holy Ghost Hokie Pokie. I. Kid. You. Not.

228 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:36:42pm

re: #222 lostlakehiker

Per previous threads, I think the chip is, um, going on their bottom.
If you know what I mean…

229 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:37:09pm

re: #222 lostlakehiker

I believe it shows how these people really think about immigrants. They’re animals to them that need to be tracked.

230 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:37:25pm

re: #223 Floral Giraffe

yes…. we had a tire swing…. and would swing on it as my Mom was pinning the laundry on the clothesline with clothes pins….. wind blowing…. fluffly clouds…. rippling water…. etc. etc.

231 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:38:05pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

See, you both have a tire swing, so you can drop into the water.
Can I come visit?
Do you have snakes?

232 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:38:09pm

re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth

Not just the weight, but the sheer size it would take.

233 swamprat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:38:46pm

re: #221 Irenicum

Yep. Snake oil never goes out of season. There’s always a ready market.


Youtube Video
234 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:38:58pm

re: #230 WindHorse

Sounds idyllic! Glad you have that!

235 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:40:26pm

re: #234 Floral Giraffe

yeah… I wish I could have given the same to my kids….. ahhhh……

236 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:42:02pm

For your late night viewing pleasure:


Vimeo
237 Lidane  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:42:16pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

If Harold Hill had been pushing creationism, River City would have been an equally ripe target.

Glenn Beck Harold Hill IS pushing Creationism. Every night on the teevee, along with buying gold, non-hybrid seeds and oligarhy. =P

238 Irenicum  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:42:20pm

re: #233 swamprat

Aww, I love Danny Kaye!

239 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:44:13pm

re: #86 Charles

Do you honestly not see the rather huge, glaring difference between these two articles?

The comments section in the MSNBC article is hilarious. Here’s one: (the 8th from the top)

If it isn’t Noah’s Ark, what is it? And how did it get on the top of a Mountain 13,000 feet up?

Oh, let me rack my brain.

There’s a wooden sign on the top of Kilimanjaro. If Kilimanjaro was really a volcano, the sign would have been destroyed when it blew. And how did a sign grow at an elevation too severe for trees? Clearly, it’s a miracle. A sign. There’s NO OTHER WAY wood could ever, ever get to the TOP OF A MOUNTAIN!!!!!
/creationist

240 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:44:20pm

re: #236 freetoken

Some awesome violin music back at you.
Yes, it’s my Joshua Bell link, AGAIN.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

241 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:44:35pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe

See, you both have a tire swing, so you can drop into the water.
Can I come visit?
Do you have snakes?

No snakes, but no tire swing either. My immediate family doesn’t have ownership, though we normally do spend a few days there in the summer. Last year I was actually able to get up there for the first time in years. Good times.

242 Irenicum  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:45:00pm

Here’s the link that includes the Holy Ghost Hokie Pokie. Be warned, you will lose brain cells.

243 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:45:44pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

I hope you have a vacation there this summer, and that it is wonderful!

244 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:50:28pm

re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth

On Topic: An old post…

The Earth is not flat.

The Earth revolves around the sun.

The Americas were discovered well before the Europeans landed and the discoverers were later known as American Indians.

Apparently other cultures around the world were experiencing a different version of reality that made it’s way into fables and lore.

245 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:50:56pm

re: #198 celticdragon

Ive seen similar stuff on TV (so it must be true, right?) something about warming about 11,000 years ago raising sea levels and flooding a previously fertile area like the bottom of what is now the Black Sea. Must have been pretty upsetting for the locals back then.

246 WindHorse  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:51:11pm

I’m outta here… sweet dreams ever body…..

247 Irenicum  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:51:34pm

Same here. Nitey nite!

248 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:52:43pm

re: #244 Gus 802

You’re SURE about that?
LOL!

249 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:52:56pm

re: #237 Lidane

Glenn Beck Harold Hill IS pushing Creationism. Every night on the teevee, along with buying gold, non-hybrid seeds and oligarhy. =P

The difference is that with Beck, he won’t get a chance to redeem himself by leading the parade. He’ll be watching it from the loony bin, after he finally has his psychotic break. And can you see Beck trying to organize a band anyway:

[Beck walks over to his blackboard, which is full of drawings of music instruments]

“Why do the Trombones always get the lead role? It’s because of their number. 76 trombones means 1776 and our connection to our traditions. And now Obama wants to use socialism and add 6 more trombones to be played by members of ACORN!1 And what is the significance of 76+6? I gives us 82! THE NUMBER OF OBAMA CZARS!!1 OLIGARHY!!11

250 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:54:21pm

re: #248 Floral Giraffe

You’re SURE about that?
LOL!

Hmm. Never checked first hand. We may actually be at the bottom of a very big waste can in the middle of an alien city.

/Twilight Zone

/

251 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:55:17pm

re: #232 tnguitarist

Not just the weight, but the sheer size it would take.

Likely big enough to see from orbit with the naked eye. Where does one get such massive quantities of lumber? Every tree on earth, and then some, I’d wager.

252 swamprat  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:55:22pm

re: #147 swamprat

OK
Ark, not “arc”.

My parents visted the Ark, and all I got was this lousy tunic.

253 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:58:08pm

How many children did Noah have on the ark (or arc)? My question is who cleaned up after all those animals?

254 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:00:07pm

re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth

Surely there is someone out there that could get us some numbers. I’m honestly curious about how large it would need to be. I know it would be a ridiculous number, but I would like to see it on paper. It would probably be at least the size of the state I live in, never mind the logistics of feeding, waste management, etc……

255 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:01:09pm

re: #253 daddylawbucks

How many children did Noah have on the ark (or arc)? My question is who cleaned up after all those animals?

Ha! You beat me to it. I was just thinking that.

256 freetoken  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:02:02pm

re: #254 tnguitarist

I’m wondering where they put all the sauropods.

Oh yeah, they brought the eggs, not the adults! My bad…

257 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:03:02pm

now according [ I am told, correct me if this is not accurate, please ] our friends at the creation museum believe that dinosaurs also were on the ark…..so the number of large creatures goes up even more.

258 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:04:17pm

wow. with the thought of sauropod gas, I bid you all a good evening.

259 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:09:45pm

re: #254 tnguitarist

Those capable of figuring such a thing out down to the last bit of beetle dung wouldn’t bother because either…

A) They’re smart enough to dismiss the story for the fable it is, and sharp enough to perceive that hard numbers would do nothing to impress people who wonder how “fuckin’ magnets” work while ignoring scientific explanations. It would be a waste of their time and talent.

B) Are the type that does not want to poke holes in the biblical literalists agenda because they share the same “world view”.

260 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:11:36pm

re: #254 tnguitarist

Surely there is someone out there that could get us some numbers. I’m honestly curious about how large it would need to be. I know it would be a ridiculous number, but I would like to see it on paper. It would probably be at least the size of the state I live in, never mind the logistics of feeding, waste management, etc…

The fun part is when you get to repopulating the Earth from the middle of nowhere by the handful of people on the ark. Yes, they repopulated Earth from somewhere up in Mount Ararat, Turkey and went on to magically create the African, Caucasian, Oceanian, East Asian and Native American races.

261 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:15:58pm

re: #260 Gus 802

The fun part is when you get to repopulating the Earth from the middle of nowhere by the handful of people on the ark. Yes, they repopulated Earth from somewhere up in Mount Ararat, Turkey and went on to magically create the African, Caucasian, Oceanian, East Asian and Native American races.

Funny how they never mention the incest, no?

262 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:16:22pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

Those capable of figuring such a thing out down to the last bit of beetle dung wouldn’t bother because either…

A) They’re smart enough to dismiss the story for the fable it is, and sharp enough to perceive that hard numbers would do nothing to impress people who wonder how “fuckin’ magnets” work while ignoring scientific explanations. It would be a waste of their time and talent.

B) Are the type that does not want to poke holes in the biblical literalists agenda because they share the same “world view”.

Yes, the all knowing. Somewhere in the middle of the desert. So all knowing that Asians, American Indians and other world races are missing from these fables that the literalists take as fact. You think that would be a clue. Get hilarious when you see how the characters have been anglocized over the course of the last 2000 years.

263 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:16:31pm

re: #260 Gus 802

It’s fuckin’ magic.

264 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:17:07pm

re: #261 tnguitarist

Funny how they never mention the incest, no?

That’s top secret information! You know if you mentioned that back in the good old days of the Dark Ages they’d burn you at the stake.

265 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:20:05pm

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

It’s fuckin’ magic.

It would take magic to go from Adam and Eve to let’s say the Japanese people without evolution of some kind. Technically then there would have to be several hundred Adam and Eves. Since they were “all knowing” how come they forgot to put that in the record when they were doing the many 1000s of re-writes.

266 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:22:01pm

re: #265 Gus 802

Didn’t get past the marketing department.

267 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:24:52pm

re: #265 Gus 802

It would take magic to go from Adam and Eve to let’s say the Japanese people without evolution of some kind. Technically then there would have to be several hundred Adam and Eves. Since they were “all knowing” how come they forgot to put that in the record when they were doing the many 1000s of re-writes.

I have an evangelical friend who believes in evolution as far as “natural selection” goes. He always says this snidely. I know him well enough to understand what he is alluding to.

268 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:30:36pm

re: #178 palomino

No biggie. If there were more sports threads here, I’d probably post more often. But then things would probably get MORE acrimonious, as there aren’t many things touchier than sports allegiance.

My curse is being a non-Laker fan who lives in L.A.

Clipper fan.

269 Gus  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:31:21pm

re: #267 tnguitarist

I have an evangelical friend who believes in evolution as far as “natural selection” goes. He always says this snidely. I know him well enough to understand what he is alluding to.

Really? Natural selection results in positive outcomes over a period of thousands, millions, or billions of years. I’m trying to think of more popular negative use of the phrase natural selection but my mind is drawing a blank.

270 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:32:22pm

re: #269 Gus 802

All the pretty girls refuse to mate with him?

271 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:36:41pm

re: #269 Gus 802

Really? Natural selection results in positive outcomes over a period of thousands, millions, or billions of years. I’m trying to think of more popular negative use of the phrase natural selection but my mind is drawing a blank.

It’s hard to explain, but it involves his family being “selected”. It really is too complicated to explain in a blog comment.

272 tnguitarist  Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:43:18pm

Good night to those that are left. I’m going to fall asleep to a Manhattan Project documentary.

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 12:05:09am

Science is about teting a hypothesis and seeing if enough facts support it, at whih point it can be called a theory.

These Noah’s Ark guys are about selectively finding facts that support their preconceived notions. That is not science.

The Bible is a statement of faith - it contains some history, but it is not history in the modern sense, and much of it is allegorical and mythical. It is certainly *not* a science textbook.

274 BlackFedora  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 12:54:26am

Is it just me or has this Noah’s Ark thing in Turkey been floating around for like a really long time? I could’ve sworn the John Bircher type G. Edward Griffin had been harping on that one along with laetrile as a cure for cancer before I was even born.

275 ryannon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 12:55:02am

re: #94 WindUpBird

I love the term ‘ark-hunter’. Where do I apply to be an ark hunter? Do you need to hunt lesser biblical artifacts first to build up your resume?

Just by using the Internet, Cato has found what could very well be Abel’s brain.

Comes with a great audio narrative explaining this amazing discovery.

276 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:14:21am

re: #274 BlackFedora

Is it just me or has this Noah’s Ark thing in Turkey been floating around for like a really long time? I could’ve sworn the John Bircher type G. Edward Griffin had been harping on that one along with laetrile as a cure for cancer before I was even born.

I remember reading about this in the National Enquirer when I was a kid.

277 Tigger2005  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:42:40am

re: #31 Mich-again

Nearly every ancient culture has a folktale about a great flood that engulfed the land spare some few survivors who rode the storm out in a giant boat. There is geological evidence for great floods in our history as well. Its not out of the question to say there was some historical basis for a great flood among the ancient stories that were told and retold for centuries before ever being written down. So that someone would find the remains of a ship somewhere on a mountain side in a part of the ancient civilized world is not all that surprising to me.

It would be surprising to me if it was very high up that mountainside. Mountains are pretty tall, y’know, and floodwaters aren’t likely to even get very high up the foothills.

278 Tigger2005  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:47:50am

One fact that believers in a literal flood conveniently leave out is that the biblical flood presupposes a flat earth, with waters above and below it. The waters do not merely pour from the sky, they burst up from the ground in huge fountains. The water then runs off the sides of the Earth.

279 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:51:42am

re: #278 Tigger2005

One fact that believers in a literal flood conveniently leave out is that the biblical flood presupposes a flat earth, with waters above and below it. The waters do not merely pour from the sky, they burst up from the ground in huge fountains. The water then runs off the sides of the Earth.

Well, it could be hollow…

280 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:16:18am
…The ark started moving, it drifted with the tide
The unicorns looked up from the rocks and they cried
And the waters came down and sort of floated them away
That’s why you never see unicorns to this very day

You’ll see green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you’re born
You’re never gonna see no unicorns

Good Morning LGF.

281 Andrew Brehm  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:41:56am

This is one of my favourite subjects. I wrote about it a lot on my blog.

Here’s the deal. Like the Red Sea Mount Ararat was named after the location given in the Bible, not vice versa. Therefor the Bible does not actually refer to “Mount Ararat”. That’s one problem with a “literal reading”.

The other problem with the “literal reading” is that it is not literal. The text does not say that the whole world was flooded and neither does it claim that the ark landed on “Mount Ararat” (and if it did, we still wouldn’t know which exact mountain that is).

I myself happen to believe the literal story, with some allowances for poetic phrasing. Here’s the key points:

1. The word used for “the earth” in Genesis 7 is “ha’aretz”.

But “ha’aretz” does not mean “earth, the planet”, but “earth, the land” as in “a down to earth fellow (who is not the opposite of a “down to Mars fellow”) or as in “aard” in “aardvark” which is not a form of “vark” (pig) that is known for living on planet Earth rather than planet Mars.

The Latin translation of Genesis uses the word “terra”, which in Latin means “land” (as in “terra incognita”) rather than “planet Earth” which is “tellum” if I remember correctly. (The term “terra incognita” on maps does not mean “unknown planet Earth”.)

When the text was translated into Germanic languages, the word “earth” (German “Erde”) was used because, likewise, the word meant “land” rather than “planet Earth”.

Ancient Hebrews did not know that planet Earth was round and nor was the story about a round planet filled with water. In fact whether the planet is round or not has no impact on this story which is set in northern Iraq, which is the land “ha’aretz” (“the land”) refers to.

The story really started to be about a round planet when the meaning of “earth” and “terra” shifted from “land” to “our planet”. But in Hebrew “Eretz Yisrael” is not “our planet Israel” and “artzoth havrith” is “United States”, not “united planet Earths”.

2. The story does not actually end with the ark landing on a specific mountain.

In fact I have no idea where people get that idea since no common translation even makes that claim. The original text says “on the mountains (plural) of X” with “X” being Alef Resh Resh Tet, which you may call “Ararat” or “Urartu” or any other word that fits those four consonants and any vowels. The Latin translation translates Alef Resh Resh Tet with “Armenia”.

Clear is that whatever Alef Resh Resh Tet means, it is the mountaineous region east of the Tigris river. I have been there, it really looks ideal for landing an ark after a flood in Mesopotamia.

Basically what you have there is two gigantic rivers periodically flooding the land (at least in the past) and there are mountains to the east of them. From all I know the region flooded a lot of times in the past so I would be surprised to learn that Noah of all people hadn’t lived through one of those floods.

But at no point does the story refer to the entire world. It’s local history of a local tribe and the only reason Europeans have heard of it is because descendants of that tribe later migrated west to the Mediterranaean coast and to Egypt and back to that coast from which ultimately was spawned the major religion of the west. That is all.

As for the local history of the local tribe, I am completely convinced that it is very true. I have no rational reason to insist that Noah and his immediate family were not the only survivors of a flood that affected the entire land (or whatever might be referred to as “the land” in the contact of a story about one tribe).

There lived many nations in Iraq and most of them have legends about floods. I am assuming that legends about floods are quite normal among people who live in what is essentially, wait for it, the shared riverbed of two gigantic rivers. And again, I would be surprised if there hadn’t been several big floods that could easily be understand as the wrath of a local god.

282 stevemcg  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:29:28am

A question Ilike to ask the literalists is: Where did all that water go? If the water was high enough to deposit the Ark on Mt Ararat, it had to drain somewhere. Did God pull the big drain plug in the ocean?

283 JRCMYP  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:32:58am

Archaeology Magazine’s site reported it’s headline as thus:

Noah’s Ark Found, Again

They make it clear that it’s an Evangelical Christian organization that is behind the new “discovery.”

284 ExCamelJockey  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:31:42am

How dare those evil Fox News people repost a story about the Ark. No other legitimate news organization would ever repost a story about an evangelical expedition with marginal unsubstantiated evidence about the Ark.

ABC 2006: Has Noah’s Ark Been Found?

ABC 2006: Satellite May Have Found Noah’s Ark

MSNBC 2006: Explorers plan quest in search of Noah’s Ark

MSNBC 2004: Satellite sleuth closes in on Noah’s Ark mystery

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:04:45am

re: #281 Leauki

There is geological evidence that a landslide once blocked the upper reaches of the Tigris and Euphrates river and that this dam then gave way, suddenly flooding out the entire region.

That is a likely origin of the Biblical Flood.

The Bible is not a geology text, or or a science text at all. It contains histories, but not History in the modern sense of being objective, documented attempts of retelling what happened.

And it is packed full of myths allegories and even fictional accounts, as are the books of Jonah, Job and Ruth: they are not histories and were never meant to be taken literally, but were rather intended as discourses on various aspects of Jewish faith and their relationship to God.

Needless to say, this is all lost on literalists. There was a Flood, God in his Wisdom saw to it tht all the animals in the World fit onto that Ark and it washed up on that hillside for us to find.

286 Andrew Brehm  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:38:46am

re: #285 ralphieboy

Hey, it’s not lost on this literalist. As I said, I take Noah’s story quite literally. And the landslide theory fits my reading exactly. Although I do believe that bigger floods happened every few decades or at least every few hundred years.

My point here was solely about the two “facts” Christian fundamentalists focus on which I cannot find in the actual text: the idea that the whole planet was flooded and the idea that the ark landed on a specific mountain.

(The animals Noah had on his ark were likely his. That’s why they followed his instructions.)

287 thor1066  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:00:50am

Ya should read Noah’s Ark a short piece by Twain.Its a chapter in the piece
“About All Kinds of Ships”.Noah deals with German shipping authorities

288 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:11:36am

re: #284 ExCamelJockey

How dare those evil Fox News people repost a story about the Ark. No other legitimate news organization would ever repost a story about an evangelical expedition with marginal unsubstantiated evidence about the Ark.

ABC 2006: Has Noah’s Ark Been Found?

ABC 2006: Satellite May Have Found Noah’s Ark

MSNBC 2006: Explorers plan quest in search of Noah’s Ark

MSNBC 2004: Satellite sleuth closes in on Noah’s Ark mystery

All of those articles are skeptical. Only Fox News publishes this as straight science news, without a single trace of skepticism.

289 Funky_Gibbon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 11:17:04am

I hope I wasn’t the only one who had a fit of laughter upon reading the phrase “evangelical explorers”.

And isn’t this the 9th Noahs Ark that’s been found in the last decade? Noah’s Armada?

290 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:22:10pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

A silly story, but one that people have run at times. Not likely to ever be true, since the story of Noah’s Flood should not be read literally.

There are stories in all historical cultures of a great cataclysm coming from the water back in the day - something happened. Precisely what i don’t know, but there’s something happened back then.

291 martinsmithy  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:51:11pm

This story’s been rolling around for a long time - since I was kid, to be exact (I won’t say exactly how long ago that was). I vaguely remember reports of Noah’s Ark on the side of Mt. Ararat from way back then.


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