The big political news of the day: Florida Governor Charlie Crist is bailing out of the Republican Party and running for the Senate as an independent against tea party candidate (and creationist) Marco Rubio.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:53:42pm |
This is good news, as in a three way race according to polls, Crist wins.
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:53:57pm |
Surprised he managed to hang in there this long. Especially considering his "bachelor" status.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:54:05pm |
Hmm...
[Link: blogs.orlandosentinel.com...]
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:55:43pm |
I wonder how long it will take for the birthers and right wing blogs to question his sexual orientation?
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:56:04pm |
re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hmm...
[Link: blogs.orlandosentinel.com...]
What he meant to say was he wouldn't run as an independent unless it became apparent he wouldn't get the republican nomination.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:56:20pm |
re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hmm...
[Link: blogs.orlandosentinel.com...]
From the link:
Gov. Charlie Crist and Marco Rubio, the Republican candidates for U.S. Senate, frequently traded putdowns this morning during a live debate on “Fox News Sunday.”
But the discussion clarified differences between the men, and there was a headline: Crist, who is far behind in the polls, said he would not run as an Independent.
“I’m running as a Republican,” Crist told Chris Wallace. “This man to my left is a friend, but I hope to defeat him on August the 24th,” Crist said, meaning Rubio.
Will Crist support the winner?
“Of course I will, of course I will,” Crist said.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:56:36pm |
re: #4 Reginald Perrin
I wonder how long it will take for the birthers and right wing blogs to question his sexual orientation?
Looks like drcordell beat them to it!
//
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:56:47pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:56:51pm |
re: #4 Reginald Perrin
I wonder how long it will take for the birthers and right wing blogs to question his sexual orientation?
While married to a Playmate.:)
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:57:32pm |
Great news...it not only frees him up to run a positive campaign based on his record as governor, but it also frees him up to enact laws that will be popular with the majority of Floridians between now and when he leaves office, as he won't be as beholden to the party.
Whether he caucuses with the Democrats or not (if he wins) is another thing entirely...but given the treatment he's received from the GOP, I can't see him running back to them with open arms saying, "no hard feelings" after the election...or vice versa (though they'd be begging for him to stand firm against Obama on all things great and small).
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:57:49pm |
re: #2 drcordell
Surprised he managed to hang in there this long. Especially considering his "bachelor" status.
He recently got married IIRC. Not that it should even matter, but when the TPers are after you, nothing seems to be sacred.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:58:42pm |
re: #4 Reginald Perrin
I wonder how long it will take for the birthers and right wing blogs to question his sexual orientation?
Well, they did defend him when we lefties were joking about him being in the closet...now of course it will actually be a major issue...regardless of whether or not it's true...or relevant.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:59:10pm |
The real question is if he wins does he caucus with the D's or R's? In his shoes I would say screw the R's, I'm going with the D's to be more effective for my state since they are the majority.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:59:38pm |
re: #10 darthstar
If Crist wins the republicans will treat him like he's toxic waste. After all the only way you get treated well when you leave your party and run as an independent because you got your ass handed to you in a primary is when your name is Lieberman.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:00:03pm |
re: #12 darthstar
Regardless of whether it is true or not, his sexual orientation is irrelevant.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:00:16pm |
Crist ran ads bitching about the stimulus after taking the money. This will be a problem.
(I am looking at this as a spectator, for the record)
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:00:57pm |
re: #15 Reginald Perrin
Regardless of whether it is true or not, his sexual orientation is irrelevant.
Agreed...I thought I said as much.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:03:06pm |
re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't recall that but you could be right, do you have a link?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:03:09pm |
Also, for the record, when Mel Martinez ran for the Senate in 2004, I voted for someone else in the primaries. My vote was part of a .2% of her voters.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:03:46pm |
re: #18 Thanos
I don't recall that but you could be right, do you have a link?
Was a radio ad. But I'll look.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:05:38pm |
re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar
Crist ran ads bitching about the stimulus after taking the money. This will be a problem.
(I am looking at this as a spectator, for the record)
"It is not the case in Florida -- we accepted the stimulus money; all of my fellow governors did," Crist said. "I think it was the responsible and right thing to do for the people and it puts people above politics. In Florida alone, for example, it created or maintained at least 87,000 jobs; 27,000 of those jobs are educators and teachers throughout the state. I dare say what the impact would be throughout the state if those teachers were out of work, unable to put bread on the table of their families. This is necessary and it relates to job creation."
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:05:42pm |
Shocka.
He was only 20+ points down in the polls! Why panic?//
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:05:51pm |
re: #17 darthstar
Agreed...I thought I said as much.
I understood your comment to imply sexual orientation was irrelevant. I just wanted to make it clear that I was agreeing .
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:07:09pm |
re: #18 Thanos
I don't recall that but you could be right, do you have a link?
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:07:17pm |
re: #23 Reginald Perrin
I understood your comment to imply sexual orientation was irrelevant. I just wanted to make it clear that I was agreeing .
Well, if you agree with me and I agree with you and we agree with each other that we do in fact agree, then this is going to be a pretty pathetic flame war should we decide to engage in one.
Cheers.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:08:36pm |
re: #25 darthstar
Well, if you agree with me and I agree with you and we agree with each other that we do in fact agree, then this is going to be a pretty pathetic flame war should we decide to engage in one.
Cheers.
FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:09:27pm |
re: #21 darthstar
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
From the link:
"Since Charlie Crist helped pass Barack Obama's spending program, nearly two hundred thousand Floridians have lost their jobs. Unemployment is the highest in decades. Personal income's down. And the deficit in Washington is three times larger," says the ad's narrator.
This is a Club for Growth ad for the record.
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The Curmudgeon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:09:29pm |
re: #13 Thanos
The real question is if he wins does he caucus with the D's or R's? In his shoes I would say screw the R's, I'm going with the D's to be more effective for my state since they are the majority.
If he's gonna vote with the Dems, then he serves no purpose. Why not just vote for the Dem candidate? The only reason to vote for Crist as an independent is if you want someone who will behave like a traditional Republican -- not a social conservative, creationist theocrat type.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:09:48pm |
re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar
He felt da heat:
Rick Wilson, a veteran Republican campaign consultant, was even blunter. He said he’s not sure that Crist can do anything to turn around his fortunes if he does not repudiate the stimulus and apologize for his support. He said surveys among Republican voters how a deep-seeded hatred of the stimulus.“You cannot reason with them, you cannot seduce them, you cannot play word games and say the stimulus is a great idea,’’ said Wilson. “He’s got the stink of the stimulus on him and he will never wash it off.’
[Link: fltrib.com...]
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:10:54pm |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
That's pretty blatant. I wonder how he's going to handle that contradiction?
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MandyManners Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:11:34pm |
re: #29 tradewind
“He’s got the stink of the stimulus on him and he will never wash it off.’
Not even bathing in tomato juice?
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:11:51pm |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thanks, looks like he changed his mind on that one... like he did on offshore drilling after the Gulf spill
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:12:42pm |
re: #30 Obdicut
That's pretty blatant. I wonder how he's going to handle that contradiction?
This is gonna give Rubio a HUGE swell in money. I noted that earlier today (LNDT?) Crist had 4 or 5 times more money than Rubio and Rubio is currently whacking him in the polls. (I hate polls)
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:12:50pm |
re: #28 The Curmudgeon
It's ' the stink of the stimulus'.
It's going to take more than tomato juice to rid him of it, and the ' traditional Republicans ' you are speaking of are no fans of the spendulous.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:13:30pm |
re: #27 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
From the link:
"Since Charlie Crist helped pass Barack Obama's spending program, nearly two hundred thousand Floridians have lost their jobs. Unemployment is the highest in decades. Personal income's down. And the deficit in Washington is three times larger," says the ad's narrator.This is a Club for Growth ad for the record.
So it wasn't Crist running ads against the stimulus...that's what I thought you had said, that Crist himself was criticizing the stimulus.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:13:55pm |
re: #34 tradewind
It's ' the stink of the stimulus'.
It's going to take more than tomato juice to rid him of it, and the ' traditional Republicans ' you are speaking of are no fans of the spendulous.
Spendulous...how witty.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:14:44pm |
re: #31 MandyManners
I swear on a stack..... I didn't see your post before I wrote the tomato juice one below.
:)
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:14:49pm |
re: #35 darthstar
If you look at the politifact article, you'll see he directly said he didn't support the stimulus.
Last week Crist told reporters he didn't know Obama was traveling in Florida. On Wednesday, Crist told a national television audience he didn't endorse the $787 billion federal stimulus bill pushed by Obama and passed by Congress in February.
"I didn't endorse it," Crist told CNN host Wolf Blitzer. "I — you know, I didn't even have a vote on the darned thing. But I understood that it was going to pass and I wanted to be able to utilize it for the benefit of my fellow Floridians."
This, from the same man who skipped a Florida Cabinet meeting to campaign with Obama for the stimulus in Fort Myers in February? Who went on national talk shows and across the state selling the plan?
As the interview continued, Crist got on a roll.
"You know, unfortunately, the president thinks that everything we need to do for every problem that comes along is spend more money and that's just wrong," he said.
"
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:15:08pm |
Good afternoon Lizards..
Today's thought...
It's bad luck to be superstitious
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:15:25pm |
re: #35 darthstar
So it wasn't Crist running ads against the stimulus...that's what I thought you had said, that Crist himself was criticizing the stimulus.
He ran ads saying "We can't spend our way out of this".. etc.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:16:06pm |
re: #39 HoosierHoops
I've never been superstitious and never will be-- knock on wood.
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MandyManners Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:16:24pm |
re: #37 tradewind
I swear on a stack... I didn't see your post before I wrote the tomato juice one below.
:)
That's why we say "GMTA".
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:16:46pm |
Speaking of Florida...
Jeb Bush carries the Bush political torch
So no desire to run for POTUS, why run so hard on the road?
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:17:55pm |
re: #43 Rightwingconspirator
It's too bad that his name is Bush, because he'd make an excellent POTUS.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:17:56pm |
re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar
He ran ads saying "We can't spend our way out of this".. etc.
[Link: www.postonpolitics.com...]
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:20:39pm |
Just to clarify, Crist isn't running as an Independent because he's desperate to leave the GOP, he's running as one because he was getting waxed in the polls by Rubio.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:21:18pm |
re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar
I say its time to take some Florida common sense to Washington
.
Question is, does he mean Palm Beach County common sense, or Escambia County common sense?
They don't have a lot in common.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:21:31pm |
re: #47 TampaKnight
Just to clarify, Crist isn't running as an Independent because he's desperate to leave the GOP, he's running as one because he was getting waxed in the polls by Rubio.
And he is an opportunist.
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KingKenrod Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:21:31pm |
Crist supported the Florida AG in suing the Feds over ObamaCare and supports repeal. How's that going to play with Democrat and independent voters?
[Link: blogs.orlandosentinel.com...]
Betcha he flip-flops on this.
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:22:41pm |
re: #50 KingKenrod
Crist supported the Florida AG in suing the Feds over ObamaCare and supports repeal. How's that going to play with Democrat and independent voters?
[Link: blogs.orlandosentinel.com...]
Betcha he flip-flops on this.
Bet you he doesn't....it's the conservatives in this state that he needs to re-gain, not the independents.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:22:42pm |
re: #48 tradewind
.
Question is, does he mean Palm Beach County common sense, or Escambia County common sense?
They don't have a lot in common.
Depends on the question and the polling data.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:23:45pm |
2nd thought for the day:
A single fact can spoil a good Argument
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:24:10pm |
re: #51 TampaKnight
I disagree. The wingnuts have already branded him RINO, Socialist, etc. He's never going to regain the extreme wingnuts, they will stick with Rubio and lose the state.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:24:32pm |
re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar
Stand by for ads featuring Arlen Specter.....
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KingKenrod Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:24:53pm |
re: #51 TampaKnight
Bet you he doesn't...it's the conservatives in this state that he needs to re-gain, not the independents.
Conservatives are going to vote for Rubio. Crist has to get independents and some Democrats.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:25:07pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:25:14pm |
re: #53 HoosierHoops
2nd thought for the day:
A single fact can spoil a good Argument
Hoosier
It's 4:30 your time p.m. and you've only had TWO thoughts !?!?!
//
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:25:35pm |
re: #54 Thanos
I disagree. The wingnuts have already branded him RINO, Socialist, etc. He's never going to regain the extreme wingnuts, they will stick with Rubio and lose the state.
I live here- it's not the wingnuts who are bailing on him, it's very center-right minded people as well.....you don't go from huge popularity to getting waxed by losing only the far right wing.
And I wouldn't call him a socialist so much as an incompetent opportunist who will say and do whatever fits the popularity mold at the moment.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:25:42pm |
re: #13 Thanos
The real question is if he wins does he caucus with the D's or R's? In his shoes I would say screw the R's, I'm going with the D's to be more effective for my state since they are the majority.
I can't see him caucusing with the Dems. He's not a Leftie. He's a Republican. He's just not a wacko Republican.
But anyway KENRICK MEEK FOR SENATE!
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:26:45pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:27:09pm |
re: #59 sattv4u2
Hoosier
It's 4:30 your time p.m. and you've only had TWO thoughts !?!?!
//
5:30 EST....I usually post one thought for the day anytime I join the forum.
Then I'm done..LOL
/Hi Satt!
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:27:20pm |
re: #61 marjoriemoon
I think you are right, but once elected how much clout he has and how effective he can be for his constituents will depend on who he caucuses with. It's a big calculation, and there's not a quick easy answer in his shoes.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:27:42pm |
re: #60 TampaKnight
True dat.
MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said that Rubio is not... repeat not.... an out-there wingnut, and that if the Dems try to paint him as one, they're toast.
He's ( Morning Joe) not exactly a far right commentator, and he's from FL.... I would tend to believe him.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:28:11pm |
re: #64 HoosierHoops
5:30 EST...I usually post one thought for the day anytime I join the forum.
Then I'm done..LOL
/Hi Satt!
sorry,,, thought you were in central time
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:28:12pm |
re: #66 tradewind
True dat.
MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said that Rubio is not... repeat not... an out-there wingnut, and that if the Dems try to paint him as one, they're toast.
He's ( Morning Joe) not exactly a far right commentator, and he's from FL... I would tend to believe him.
Rubio is a DI shill, don't tell me he's not out there.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:28:37pm |
re: #45 tradewind
It's too bad that his name is Bush, because he'd make an excellent POTUS.
I started to downding ya, but I'll just say it. No he wouldn't. He sucked as a governor. He cut education to hell. He got involved in the whole Schiavo scandal which wasn't the state's business. He's also a global warming skeptic.
He did keep offshore oil drilling away during his term.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:29:01pm |
re: #61 marjoriemoon
Save your strength for a state where it could happen.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:29:03pm |
re: #67 sattv4u2
sorry,,, thought you were in central time
Time Zone-ist!!
/look, I made up a new word!!
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:30:07pm |
re: #67 sattv4u2
sorry,,, thought you were in central time
Part of Indiana is in EST and part is in Central time..
Hoosiers walk around all day wondering if anyone knows what time it is..Does anybody care?
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:30:17pm |
re: #69 marjoriemoon
He's extremely eloquent, he's married to a Latina (fair or not, it would help), and he's damn smart.
We'll just have to disagree.
Feel free to go all dingy on me, though.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:30:20pm |
re: #65 Thanos
I think you are right, but once elected how much clout he has and how effective he can be for his constituents will depend on who he caucuses with. It's a big calculation, and there's not a quick easy answer in his shoes.
Actually it may be more productive to sit with the Repubs, although we could probably use the support! But the Repubs need some clear thinkers.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:30:38pm |
re: #72 HoosierHoops
Part of Indiana is in EST and part is in Central time..
Hoosiers walk around all day wondering if anyone knows what time it is..Does anybody care?
It's always 5 PM.:)
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sandbox Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:31:17pm |
IMO it's a bad move by Charlie Christ--he can't win and the Republicans won't let him run for any other office as a Republican in the future. He should have dropped out of the race, endorsed, Rubio, and then look to the future.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:31:23pm |
re: #68 Thanos
I'll take Scarborough's word for it.
He was a representative from FL, a Republican, and a moderate one. He knows the territory.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:31:49pm |
re: #74 marjoriemoon
Actually it may be more productive to sit with the Repubs, although we could probably use the support! But the Repubs need some clear thinkers.
Crist could back Rubio and go after Bill Nelson in 2 years. Two years of making speaker fees.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:32:31pm |
re: #70 tradewind
Save your strength for a state where it could happen.
Meek has been campaigning in Northern Florida where no one knows him. I know the man personally and I know his mother from whom he originally took the seat. Both are my Congresscritters. He's not a ultra liberal by any stretch. Anyway, he has a chance still.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:32:50pm |
Rubio's a hard core SOCON, he's only recently adopted fiscon clothing. Look at how he uses his credit card if you think he's a fiscon. Here's where his head and heart is at, and if you vote for Rubio you are getting another C st Bible Thumper who doesn't care about money as long as he's working the right social legislation. Don't freaking fool yourselves.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
Marco Rubio’s campaign has put out a new release, whacking Charlie Crist for not being tough on social issues like abortion.The release includes this mention of the Terri Schiavo case, “Crist also received criticism on the Terri Schiavo debate about where he really stood on a Congressional bill that would have let Terri’s parents take their lawsuit to save her life to federal courts.”
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:33:00pm |
A few months ago Crist was running hard with his "look at how conservative I am!" campaign, and yet now he's running with his "I'm a post-partisan independent thinker!" campaign.
He's an opportunist who stands for nothing.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:33:31pm |
re: #79 marjoriemoon
Meek has been campaigning in Northern Florida where no one knows him. I know the man personally and I know his mother from whom he originally took the seat. Both are my Congresscritters. He's not a ultra liberal by any stretch. Anyway, he has a chance still.
umm,,, how long has the "seat" been in the family?!?!?
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:33:36pm |
re: #80 Thanos
Rubio's a hard core SOCON, he's only recently adopted fiscon clothing. Look at how he uses his credit card if you think he's a fiscon. Here's where his head and heart is at, and if you vote for Rubio you are getting another C st Bible Thumper who doesn't care about money as long as he's working the right social legislation. Don't freaking fool yourselves.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
Thinkprogress?
Quick, let me counter that with an analysis from Heritage.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:33:45pm |
re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar
Crist could back Rubio and go after Bill Nelson in 2 years. Two years of making speaker fees.
I don't know. Bill Nelson has a hellofa wonderful reputation and he's had that seat a very long time.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:34:38pm |
re: #80 Thanos
Rubio's a hard core SOCON
... why, if I didn't know you better, I'd think you were saying that as a pejorative.//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:00pm |
re: #80 Thanos
I heard Rubio on the radio and he explained the credit card thing. A non factor as far as that goes.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:00pm |
re: #82 sattv4u2
umm,,, how long has the "seat" been in the family?!?!?
Carrie Meek was a Congresswoman for a long time. She retired and he took her seat. He was a cop I think before, but no one wanted ran against him. After that, he stayed put again because he was unopposed.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:09pm |
re: #83 TampaKnight
Why don't you just counter the facts instead if you can>?
/oh you say you can't?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:11pm |
re: #79 marjoriemoon
Meek has been campaigning in Northern Florida where no one knows him. I know the man personally and I know his mother from whom he originally took the seat. Both are my Congresscritters. He's not a ultra liberal by any stretch. Anyway, he has a chance still.re: #84 marjoriemoon
I don't know. Bill Nelson has a hellofa wonderful reputation and he's had that seat a very long time.
Houston, we've found the problem!
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:37pm |
re: #83 TampaKnight
You'd better go all the way to RCP for balance.
:)
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:40pm |
Stink of the stimulus,
Wafts from his pores,
Slammed and shut tight,
The Republican doors.
To run independent,
Will do stand him no stead,
It's out on his rear,
From whence he once fed.
Now he's been tossed,
By the GOP base,
With a shreik and a prayer,
For a new wingnut face.
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sandbox Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:53pm |
re: #79 marjoriemoon
Does Meek support Eric Holder's decision to move the KSM et al trials from military to civilian courts?
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:53pm |
re: #88 Thanos
Why don't you just counter the facts instead if you can>?
/oh you say you can't?
Because the credit card non-troversy has already been put to bed, but is a tired talking point of Crist and the Democrats who know they'll be opposing him.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:35:58pm |
re: #80 Thanos
Rubio's a hard core SOCON, he's only recently adopted fiscon clothing. Look at how he uses his credit card if you think he's a fiscon. Here's where his head and heart is at, and if you vote for Rubio you are getting another C st Bible Thumper who doesn't care about money as long as he's working the right social legislation. Don't freaking fool yourselves.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
Yes, he is :(
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:36:04pm |
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The Curmudgeon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:36:20pm |
re: #34 tradewind
It's ' the stink of the stimulus'.
It's going to take more than tomato juice to rid him of it, and the ' traditional Republicans ' you are speaking of are no fans of the spendulous.
Yeah, good point. Crist is toast.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:36:43pm |
re: #88 Thanos
Why don't you just counter the facts instead if you can>?
/oh you say you can't?
Exactly. You can easily fact check the thinkprogress piece. It quotes Rubio directly.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:37:09pm |
re: #25 darthstar
then this is going to be a pretty pathetic flame war should we decide to engage in one.
I only engage in flame wars with trolls and in those cases I don't take prisoners. The twit from Tampa over at the cesspool can attest to that.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:37:24pm |
re: #89 sattv4u2
Houston, we've found the problem!
What's wrong with holding a seat a long time if the people like you? Or you just want to pick on Dems.
Look up Illeana Ros-Lechtinen and the Diaz-Balart nepotism. It ain't a one way street ya know.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:37:58pm |
Rubio - closet Creationist
[Link: thefastertimes.com...]
You'll get craptastic social kneejerk legislation and grandstanding out of Rubio instead of effective or substantive legislation
Prior to 2008, the word ‘evolution’ wasn’t even included in Florida’s science education standards. In 2007, when a much needed revision of the State’s education standards began to lift the veil from the eyes of Florida’s students, Rubio, then Speaker of the House, pleaded for intelligent design to be included in the science curriculum.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:38:00pm |
re: #79 marjoriemoon
Meek has been campaigning in Northern Florida where no oneknowswill vote for him
FTFY.
So now we know he's not very good at handling his money.//
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Jaerik Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:38:03pm |
Petitioners conned voters into switching to the GOP
Via Slate:
Petitioners prowling parking lots and community college campuses tricked dozens of young Orange County voters into registering to vote as Republicans, an Orange County Register investigation has found...
...It appears to be the same kind of voter registration fraud that engulfed Orange County four years ago and landed eight signature gatherers in jail.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:38:13pm |
re: #99 marjoriemoon
What's wrong with holding a seat a long time if the people like you? Or you just want to pick on Dems.
Look up Illeana Ros-Lechtinen and the Diaz-Balart nepotism. It ain't a one way street ya know.
Or our now famous Duncan Hunter of San Diego.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:38:52pm |
re: #93 TampaKnight
Because the credit card non-troversy has already been put to bed, but is a tired talking point of Crist and the Democrats who know they'll be opposing him.
No, it really has not. There are ongoing investigations, and if Rubio wins the primary then the Dems will really pull out the stops on it.
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:39:38pm |
re: #106 Thanos
No, it really has not. There are ongoing investigations, and if Rubio wins the primary then the Dems will really pull out the stops on it.
I'm sure they will, in fact I expect the same disgusting attacks that plague campaigns on both sides.
Doesn't mean anything in the end game though.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:39:45pm |
re: #99 marjoriemoon
What's wrong with holding a seat a long time if the people like you? Or you just want to pick on Dems.
Look up Illeana Ros-Lechtinen and the Diaz-Balart nepotism. It ain't a one way street ya know.
Nice try, but has nothing to do with party
In all my life I was never for term limits
In the last 5 or so years I have changed 180 degrees
The President is limited, why not congress? Senate, two terms (12 years) house 5 terms (10 years)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:39:49pm |
re: #95 Killgore Trout
HR 2499. I posted about that long ago.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:40:02pm |
re: #102 Jaerik
Well, that was dumb of them to attend that ACORN seminar, anyway....//
| 111 |
Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:40:30pm |
re: #107 TampaKnight
Only to people who don't care about corruption as long as the right bible thumper gets elected.
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bratwurst Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:41:46pm |
FYI:The Tea Party and birther threads are attracting some late attention.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:42:00pm |
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:42:31pm |
re: #111 Thanos
Only to people who don't care about corruption as long as the right bible thumper gets elected.
Oh, the moral high ground of the Democrats here.....they are never accused of corruption!
| 115 |
MandyManners Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:44:06pm |
re: #72 HoosierHoops
Part of Indiana is in EST and part is in Central time..
Hoosiers walk around all day wondering if anyone knows what time it is..Does anybody care?
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:44:33pm |
Sensuous Curmudgeon on Rubio:
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:45:01pm |
re: #114 TampaKnight
Can't counter the facts again can you?
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:45:35pm |
re: #114 TampaKnight
Oh, the moral high ground of the Democrats here...they are never accused of corruption!
Note to self: Buy a bigger freezer..All the cash I stashed there takes up valuable space for frozen goods
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:45:50pm |
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:46:22pm |
re: #117 Thanos
Can't counter the facts again can you?
What? You mean your ridiculous claim that he's a Bible Thumper, despite not living here and probably just now googling who he actually is?
| 121 |
Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:46:45pm |
You know on the plus side if elected Rubio will get along real well with Crazy Michelle Bachman and other wingnut legislators.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:47:27pm |
re: #119 Killgore Trout
Is it a seekrit plot?
No. Did Beck say is was? (didn't watch your linky, sorry.)
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:47:56pm |
re: #115 MandyManners
Dammit, I love me some Chicago.
That whole run they had with the 25 or 6 to four and As Time Goes By...
At least my kids didn't coopt all the music I loved at their age......
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:48:02pm |
re: #121 Thanos
You know on the plus side if elected Rubio will get along real well with Crazy Michelle Bachman and other wingnut legislators.
You have that talking point down pat!
| 125 |
Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:48:13pm |
re: #120 TampaKnight
I've been watching Rubio since way back -- you can find articles posted about him from me last year, and comments. Try again, I know exactly what Rubio is about.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:48:19pm |
re: #79 marjoriemoon
Meek has been campaigning in Northern Florida where no one knows him. I know the man personally and I know his mother from whom he originally took the seat. Both are my Congresscritters. He's not a ultra liberal by any stretch. Anyway, he has a chance still.
oh, goodie, another next of kin.
Not that my state has grounds to talk -- assuming the primaries go as expected, our governor's race this year is going to be a Mario Cuomo's son vs. Richard Nixon's grandson.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:48:46pm |
re: #114 TampaKnight
Get your cold cash at the Bank of Birdseye, Jefferson, LA!
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:49:10pm |
re: #120 TampaKnight
What? You mean your ridiculous claim that he's a Bible Thumper, despite not living here and probably just now googling who he actually is?
You know, the fact that he doesn't live there might be an issue if it weren't for all these modern communication devices, like the one I'm typing on now.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:49:20pm |
re: #127 tradewind
Get your cold cash at the Bank of Birdseye, Jefferson, LA!
I thought it was in a lasagna?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:49:28pm |
re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. Did Beck say is was? (didn't watch your linky, sorry.)
Yeah, he thinks it's part of a plot to secretly sneak Puerto Rico into statehood and grant amnesty to illegal aliens so the Dems can steal future elections, etc.
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:49:53pm |
re: #128 wrenchwench
You know, the fact that he doesn't live there might be an issue if it weren't for all these modern communication devices, like the one I'm typing on now.
Yes, and I'm sure you're as engaged as we are here in Florida.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:49:54pm |
re: #127 tradewind
Hey, buy your groceries last year with your party credit card!
/then put in Discovery institute sponsored legislation....
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:50:25pm |
re: #116 Thanos
Sensuous Curmudgeon on Rubio:
Rubio....noted that the words "separation of church and state" were nowhere in our founding documents.
Theocrat.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:50:51pm |
re: #121 Thanos
You know on the plus side if elected Rubio will get along real well with Crazy Michelle Bachman and other wingnut legislators.
Well, someone has to sit on the other side of the see saw from Barbara Boxer and Sheldon Whitehouse and Bernie Sanders to balance it off!
| 135 |
TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:50:53pm |
re: #133 Stanley Sea
Rubio...noted that the words "separation of church and state" were nowhere in our founding documents.
Theocrat.
Are they?
| 136 |
Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:51:19pm |
re: #127 tradewind
I'll see your Jefferson and raise you one Jack Abramoff scandal.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:51:26pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he thinks it's part of a plot to secretly sneak Puerto Rico into statehood and grant amnesty to illegal aliens so the Dems can steal future elections, etc.
IIRC, Puerto Rico has voted against statehood in the past.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:51:39pm |
From SC's article:
Isn’t that sweet? Rubio was solidly for last year’s initiative in Florida to pass one of those anti-science, anti-evolution, pro-creationism “Academic Freedom” bills sponsored by the neo-theocrats at the Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture (a/k/a the Discoveroids), and modeled on their Academic Freedom Act. Presumably that’s still his goal.
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bratwurst Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:52:23pm |
re: #131 TampaKnight
Yes, and I'm sure you're as engaged as we are here in Florida.
From the same school of thought as "people who aren't in AZ should shut their mouths about the proposed law there".
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:52:28pm |
Bottom line is that I'm not head over heels for Rubio, but I'd rather vote for him than have Florida send up another Obama boy who will fall in line to vote for the next wave of entitlements and debt expenditures that is brought up next.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:52:38pm |
re: #138 Thanos
Discoveriods is my new favorite word!
| 142 |
Stanghazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:52:59pm |
| 143 |
tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:53:32pm |
re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar
Whichever, it's pasta la vista now.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:53:49pm |
| 145 |
Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:54:05pm |
re: #140 TampaKnight
Was that a Freudian slip TK? Are you one of "those knights"?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:54:10pm |
re: #136 Reginald Perrin
I'll see your Jefferson and raise you one Jack Abramoff scandal.
Abramoff was a fairly equal opportunity largess giver (both paties)
He wasn't a stiing congressman!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:54:31pm |
re: #137 Cannadian Club Akbar
IIRC, Puerto Rico has voted against statehood in the past.
That's what I recall as well. Either way I don't think it's their choice. I'm pretty sure our congress has the final say. I can't see why I'd object to statehood for Puerto Rico. Seems fine to me but I don't think there's a secret plot to make it happen.
| 148 |
TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:54:55pm |
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tradewind Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:55:39pm |
re: #139 bratwurst
TX is on deck for that one.
Which shouldn't be such a BFD, since it's a restatement of the federal law.
Interesting times we live in.
Ya'll play nice, don't break out in any flame wars 'til I can watch.
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MandyManners Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:55:43pm |
re: #123 tradewind
Dammit, I love me some Chicago.
That whole run they had with the 25 or 6 to four and As Time Goes By...
At least my kids didn't coopt all the music I loved at their age...
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:56:09pm |
re: #131 TampaKnight
Yes, and I'm sure you're as engaged as we are here in Florida.
I'm not, but if Thanos says he's been following Rubio for a while, it just makes you look dumb to counter with "You're not here".
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MandyManners Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:56:16pm |
re: #127 tradewind
Get your cold cash at the Bank of Birdseye, Jefferson, LA!
Bank of Birdseye! ROFLMAO!
| 153 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:56:24pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
If we can stop giving them money and tax them, some will be all for it. (I'm not saying you're saying that)
| 155 |
webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:56:38pm |
Rubio is the guy who said he wants to get rid of Social Security...right?
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MandyManners Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:57:13pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:57:25pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
That's what I recall as well. Either way I don't think it's their choice. I'm pretty sure our congress has the final say. I can't see why I'd object to statehood for Puerto Rico. Seems fine to me but I don't think there's a secret plot to make it happen.
Only in the sense that they would have to petition FOR statehood. It's not like Congress will just meet one day and say "you know what, lets make em a state"
SO ,,, if PR as an entity does NOT want statehood they won't get it unless they start the ball rolling
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TampaKnight Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:57:56pm |
re: #155 webevintage
Rubio is the guy who said he wants to get rid of Social Security...right?
No, he's proposed ways to reform it aka make it solvent.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:58:06pm |
re: #155 webevintage
Rubio is the guy who said he wants to get rid of Social Security...right?
Totally, or an opt out?
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:58:44pm |
re: #66 tradewind
True dat.
MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said that Rubio is not... repeat not... an out-there wingnut, and that if the Dems try to paint him as one, they're toast.
He's ( Morning Joe) not exactly a far right commentator, and he's from FL... I would tend to believe him.
He's a creationist...'nuff said...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:58:49pm |
re: #157 sattv4u2
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:58:54pm |
| 164 |
Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:01:25pm |
Here's a hint on where Rubio's real backing comes from... his first real big endorsement from from the Huckster in June of last yr.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:01:33pm |
re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
From the link:
When asked, in non-binding plebiscites, to choose between independence, statehood, or continuation of the present status with enhanced powers, as proposed by the Popular Democratic Party, Puerto Ricans have voted to remain a commonwealth. In the most recent of these plebisites, in 1998, Puerto Ricans, by a slight majority, voted for "none of the above", a choice that has been variously interpreted:
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:02:11pm |
OT: This is why soccer will never be the American pastime.
(fourteenth second of the clip...priceless)
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Locker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:02:47pm |
re: #164 Thanos
Here's a hint on where Rubio's real backing comes from... his first real big endorsement from from the Huckster in June of last yr.
I didn't know the Huckster was such a fan of fish tacos.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:03:25pm |
re: #164 Thanos
Here's a hint on where Rubio's real backing comes from... his first real big endorsement from from the Huckster in June of last yr.
that BASTARD!
{sigh}
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:03:26pm |
Hello, Honcos!
I was gone when Charles posted the cookbook link, thank you Charles!
Folks - please visit (click my nic) and take a look at Volume 2 (and Volume 1 if you don't have it yet!).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:03:29pm |
re: #166 Aceofwhat?
OT: This is why soccer will never be the American pastime.
(fourteenth second of the clip...priceless)
[Video]
I know. British broadcasters. Who needs 'em!!
///
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:06:33pm |
re: #164 Thanos
Here's a hint on where Rubio's real backing comes from... his first real big endorsement from from the Huckster in June of last yr.
Oh My.
Mike and Janet have recently moved to FL because the press in Arkansas (Arkansas Times) just won't leave this "private" citizen alone and let him say whatever crap he wants too with commenting on what he says.
In some ways our Ex Gov reminds me a lot of Ma Plain.
They loves the money, nothing is ever their fault and they are seriously thin skinned when it comes to the press.
Enjoy him Florida!
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:07:32pm |
re: #172 webevintage
Oh My.
Mike and Janet have recently moved to FL because the press in Arkansas (Arkansas Times) just won't leave this "private" citizen alone and let him say whatever crap he wants too with commenting on what he says.
In some ways our Ex Gov reminds me a lot of Ma Plain.
They loves the money, nothing is ever their fault and they are seriously thin skinned when it comes to the press.Enjoy him Florida!
Seriously?! I had no idea. where/which city?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:07:40pm |
re: #172 webevintage
As long as he stays off my lawn and turns down his bass guitar!!
//
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:07:42pm |
This is just the perfect sanity/song break given today's events. Oh and at the end of a really crappy day at work.
With a nod to SGU fans
Flogging Molly
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:09:01pm |
Regarding Social Security-- during the debate Rubio proposed slashing SS, and Raising retirement age -- Crist roundly rejected both.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:09:18pm |
re: #170 reine.de.tout
Hello, Honcos!
I was gone when Charles posted the cookbook link, thank you Charles!
Folks - please visit (click my nic) and take a look at Volume 2 (and Volume 1 if you don't have it yet!).
Did those last corrections I sent make it in? I'd hate my gardening article to end with "boil a pot of water".
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:09:46pm |
re: #170 reine.de.tout
I plan having my own chapter next year, maybe.:)
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Locker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:10:14pm |
OT: VB 6 + Crystal Reports = t3h suck
Especially Crystal Reports. DOUBLE SUCK!
| 181 |
Randall Gross Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:10:18pm |
Also note that Rubio gave Huckabee a reach around by endorsing him for President.
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Jack Burton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:10:53pm |
re: #166 Aceofwhat?
That's the only reason to watch soccer. Laugh at them fake injuries. Every little bump and they act like they just got hit by a sniper.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:12:41pm |
Here's Beck's TV show from today.....
Glenn Beck - Puerto Rico The 51st State
...with a very bizarre rant against "democratic elections".
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:12:43pm |
I would like to thank LGF for making it so I got nothing done today except dishes and some mopping.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:13:14pm |
re: #182 ArchangelMichael
That's the only reason to watch soccer. Laugh at them fake injuries. Every little bump and they act like they just got hit by a sniper.
Some of them dive better than Greg Louganis.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:13:26pm |
re: #182 ArchangelMichael
That's the only reason to watch soccer. Laugh at them fake injuries. Every little bump and they act like they just got hit by a sniper.
And the men are worse than the women. Women soccer players are tough (and hawt). The men play like little girls...and i say this as a tennis player!
| 187 |
Jack Burton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:16:09pm |
re: #183 Killgore Trout
For the love of God BECK....
Read my lips...
Hitler... was NOT... democratically elected... to... ANYTHING.
He was APPOINTED.
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Locker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:17:38pm |
re: #186 Aceofwhat?
And the men are worse than the women. Women soccer players are tough (and hawt). The men play like little girls...and i say this as a tennis player!
Yea what a bunch of pussies. Arsenal only had 3 players this year get their leg broken along with 6 or 7 other major injuries. Damn cupcakes.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:18:22pm |
re: #187 ArchangelMichael
For the love of God BECK...
Read my lips...
Hitler... was NOT... democratically elected... to... ANYTHING.
He was APPOINTED.
I'm still watching. He says "There's always a trick to democratic elections". He thinks elections are some sort of conspiracy.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:18:32pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
Did those last corrections I sent make it in? I'd hate my gardening article to end with "boil a pot of water".
yes.
LOL.
That phrase appeared elsewhere, too, where it didn't belong.
I dunno where it came from.
But the correction was sent in.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:18:55pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:20:29pm |
re: #188 Locker
Yea what a bunch of pussies. Arsenal only had 3 players this year get their leg broken along with 6 or 7 other major injuries. Damn cupcakes.
Are the world cup commercials on ESPN some of the best ever made about sports? Whoever done them needs to talk to the NFL or something
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Bubblehead II Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:20:44pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
Did those last corrections I sent make it in? I'd hate my gardening article to end with "boil a pot of water".
Same thing here, except I sent mine in today. Regardless, the order has been placed.
So, if any of you have questions about my recipe after you get the book, feel free to ask.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:21:25pm |
re: #188 Locker
Yea what a bunch of pussies. Arsenal only had 3 players this year get their leg broken along with 6 or 7 other major injuries. Damn cupcakes.
People get hurt in every sport. Only in soccer do grown men writhe in faux pain due to the turbulence of nearby bodies in motion;)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:21:52pm |
re: #191 reine.de.tout
Hope so.
Can I take a recipe and alter it? But giving credit to the original recipe lizard, of course.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:22:01pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Are the world cup commercials on ESPN some of the best ever made about sports? Whoever done them needs to talk to the NFL or something
Bono...great voice...
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:22:29pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:22:35pm |
re: #194 Aceofwhat?
People get hurt in every sport. Only in soccer do grown men writhe in faux pain due to the turbulence of nearby bodies in motion;)
I just hurt a finger typing this post!! You bastard!!
//
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:01pm |
re: #170 reine.de.tout
Hello, Honcos!
I was gone when Charles posted the cookbook link, thank you Charles!
Folks - please visit (click my nic) and take a look at Volume 2 (and Volume 1 if you don't have it yet!).
May I reserve a copy of the Special 2016 Group Flounce Edition?
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:24pm |
re: #170 reine.de.tout
Hello, Honcos!
I was gone when Charles posted the cookbook link, thank you Charles!
Folks - please visit (click my nic) and take a look at Volume 2 (and Volume 1 if you don't have it yet!).
I ordered (Vol II) Reine!!!
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Locker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:29pm |
re: #194 Aceofwhat?
People get hurt in every sport. Only in soccer do grown men writhe in faux pain due to the turbulence of nearby bodies in motion;)
You've obviously never watched a single NHL game.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:35pm |
re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can I take a recipe and alter it? But giving credit to the original recipe lizard, of course.
sure!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:37pm |
re: #199 Spare O'Lake
May I reserve a copy of the Special 2016 Group Flounce Edition?
A flounce book is a good idea.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:38pm |
re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can I take a recipe and alter it? But giving credit to the original recipe lizard, of course.
In other words, you want to be the BASF of the cookbook?
I don't make recipes; I make recipes...better
heh
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:23:45pm |
re: #92 sandbox
Does Meek support Eric Holder's decision to move the KSM et al trials from military to civilian courts?
This I don't know. I have to look it up. He's a staunch Israeli supporter is all I know about his foreign policy.
Here is more, but it doesn't mention the military courts.
[Link: www.kendrickmeek.com...]
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:24:09pm |
re: #199 Spare O'Lake
May I reserve a copy of the Special 2016 Group Flounce Edition?
Yikes!
I hope there is no such edition.
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:24:38pm |
re: #190 reine.de.tout
I'm buying one as soon as I get home. BTW everyone Mothers day approaches! The cookbook is perfect for newlyweds too.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:24:51pm |
re: #204 Aceofwhat?
In other words, you want to be the BASF of the cookbook?
I don't make recipes; I make recipes...better
heh
Sometimes you don't know what you're looking at...:)
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:25:04pm |
re: #201 Locker
You've obviously never watched a single NHL game.
Oh, i can't wait to hear about how soccer players are tough like hockey players! Do tell...
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:26:45pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:26:55pm |
There are those who are preparing to divide us. The spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight there is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America, there's the United States of America.
[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]
This year, the stakes are higher than ever,' he said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by Democratic officials. 'It will be up to each of you to make sure that young people, African Americans, Latinos and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:27:02pm |
I wonder if the Republicans are knocking him for staying in the race defended Lieberman when he ran as an independent. Just for the record, I defended Joe's right to do so and I supported him over Lamont in '06.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:30:39pm |
re: #209 Aceofwhat?
Oh, i can't wait to hear about how soccer players are tough like hockey players! Do tell...
Dude, soccer players are like 6' 3', 245LBS and can get hit with a frozen piece of hard rubber in the face. Wait, what?
/I kid, Locker, I kid
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:31:05pm |
re: #211 Walter L. Newton
I know, right? How stupid of him to try and appeal to an untapped block of voters. He should follow the Republican strategy of alienation.//
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:32:02pm |
re: #126 sagehen
oh, goodie, another next of kin.
Not that my state has grounds to talk -- assuming the primaries go as expected, our governor's race this year is going to be a Mario Cuomo's son vs. Richard Nixon's grandson.
Wow! What's Tricky Dick's grandson like?
I think you mentioned the nepotism before heh. I don't have a problem with it if it's the right person for the job.
It's a personal thing with me and the Meeks. Carrie Meek helped me out of two jams before, one with the IRS (they never sent my refund) and another with my mail which all of a sudden stopped coming. She resolved each problem within days. It's one of those things, you need your Congresspeople and if they're there for you, you become a fan.
My problem with Crist running as an Indie is I'm afraid he'll take votes away from Kendrick and Rubio will end up winning because of it. I know Kendrick isn't well known, but he is in S. Florida, that's why he's spending his money elsewhere.
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:32:33pm |
re: #209 Aceofwhat?
Oh, i can't wait to hear about how soccer players are tough like hockey players! Do tell...
soccer is not a sport
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Jack Burton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:33:11pm |
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:33:48pm |
OT
Does anyone have anything on Los Angeles area May Day rallies? I want to go to take stills and some video with the new camera. Heh, no
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:34:26pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:35:47pm |
re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar
Dude, soccer players are like 6' 3', 245LBS and can get hit with a frozen piece of hard rubber in the face. Wait, what?
/I kid, Locker, I kid
LOL
Soccer is a different skill set..And I'm guessing anybody that had there legs kicked out from under them by a professional would perhaps change their mind.. You know I have never run on a pitch for 90 minutes.. I just know in College I hated the coach when we played for more than 5 minutes without a time out.. The lungs and legs burn in pain after awhile..Fucking college coaches! LOL
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:36:02pm |
re: #218 Rightwingconspirator
OT
Does anyone have anything on Los Angeles area May Day rallies? I want to go to take stills and some video with the new camera. Heh, no
Quick Google-fu...
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:36:05pm |
re: #215 marjoriemoon
Marjorie...dear, sweet Marjorie...i'm afraid there are two likely outcomes in Florida:
Crist bows out and Rubio wins
or
Crist runs as an indie and either Crist wins or Rubio wins
sorry;)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:36:13pm |
re: #214 tnguitarist
I know, right? How stupid of him to try and appeal to an untapped block of voters. He should follow the Republican strategy of alienation.//
Untapped... "young people, African Americans, Latinos and women.." Oh, you're right, we just gave those poor souls the right to vote last month. Obama is playing the race card... big time.
And you're right, there are a lot of conservatives trying to isolate the white voter right now, isolate them and playing the white race card.
Obama should know better.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:36:17pm |
re: #217 ArchangelMichael
It's a reason to riot.
How come they run really, really fast AFTER they score a goal?
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:36:55pm |
re: #223 Aceofwhat?
Marjorie...dear, sweet Marjorie...i'm afraid there are two likely outcomes in Florida:
Crist bows out and Rubio wins
or
Crist runs as an indie and either Crist wins or Rubio winssorry;)
Honey, it ain't over till the fat lady sings and I ain't even heard the tune yet.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:37:27pm |
re: #225 Spare O'Lake
How come they run really, really fast AFTER they score a goal?
It's not a goal. It's a GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!!!!
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:38:10pm |
re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yeah, that's about last year. Hoping for a major rally this year, a few years ago I went and photographed the big one. Really peaceful, and very few nuts around. This year may be a bit more tense.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:38:28pm |
re: #226 marjoriemoon
Honey, it ain't over till the fat lady sings and I ain't even heard the tune yet.
Here we go with the "fat" comments again.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:39:00pm |
re: #224 Walter L. Newton
Playing the race card would imply that he is somehow disrespecting white people in the process of trying to get minority votes.
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Jack Burton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:39:04pm |
re: #225 Spare O'Lake
How come they run really, really fast AFTER they score a goal?
So a maniac fan of the other team cant hit them with a rock, firebomb, or bottle full of urine?
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:39:28pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:39:54pm |
re: #233 ArchangelMichael
So a maniac fan of the other team cant hit them with a rock, firebomb, or bottle full of urine?
That's fuckin' funny!! DING!!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:41:09pm |
re: #232 tnguitarist
Playing the race card would imply that he is somehow disrespecting white people in the process of trying to get minority votes.
Transparent... what ever.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:41:42pm |
re: #215 marjoriemoon
Wow! What's Tricky Dick's grandson like?
He's been pretty low profile up until now, but the general sense I have of him is old-school Rockefeller Republican... conservative on taxes/spending and law&order, indifferent about social issues
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:42:03pm |
re: #232 tnguitarist
Playing the race card would imply that he is somehow disrespecting white people in the process of trying to get minority votes.
Ya think?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:42:56pm |
re: #237 sagehen
He's been pretty low profile up until now, but the general sense I have of him is old-school Rockefeller Republican... conservative on taxes/spending and law&order, indifferent about social issues
I might like him, not that it matters.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:43:15pm |
re: #224 Walter L. Newton
Untapped... "young people, African Americans, Latinos and women.." Obama is playing the race card... big time.
You forgot to mention he's being sexist too.
///
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:43:43pm |
re: #233 ArchangelMichael
So a maniac fan of the other team cant hit them with a rock, firebomb, or bottle full of urine?
goooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOL!!!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:44:36pm |
Get ready to lock up your wallet...
Obama: Holding me to my promises is just an ‘old Washington game
For those who thought they could take President Obama at his word on taxes, you might have made a mistake. He does not seem too wedded to the idea of keeping campaign promises not to raise “any form of tax” for those making less than $250,000 a year,
When reporters ask him about the promise, he says they’re just playing some “old Washington game.”
In remarks introducing his debt commission today, Obama said he would not ask the commission to abide by his campaign promise when it produces its recommendations.
Of course this means that all of you, our friends in the media, will ask me and others once a week, or once a day, about what we are willing to rule out or rule in when it comes to the recommendations of the commission. That’s an old Washington game…so I wanted to deliver this message today: we’re not playing that game. I’m not gonna say what’s in, I’m not gonna say what’s out.
[Link: www.sfexaminer.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:44:57pm |
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:45:06pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:45:09pm |
re: #240 Reginald Perrin
You forgot to mention he's being sexist too.
///
Thanks for doing it for me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:46:22pm |
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:48:50pm |
re: #243 Walter L. Newton
Do you have a link to the original quotes? What you linked to is an opinion piece.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:50:31pm |
re: #245 marjoriemoon
Pleasingly plump??
re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar
Undertall.
People must think I'm just kidding when I say it really bothers me when people make fun of people with physical differences... such as weight, or the size of this or that, or who they look... it seems that with all the bullshit talk about diversity and inclusion... there is still an area when all that goes out the proverbial window and no amount of smart-assed comments are considered in bad taste.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:51:49pm |
re: #248 tnguitarist
Do you have a link to the original quotes? What you linked to is an opinion piece.
What's the matter, your Google button broken?
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:52:20pm |
re: #249 Walter L. Newton
People must think I'm just kidding when I say it really bothers me when people make fun of people with physical differences... such as weight, or the size of this or that, or who they look... it seems that with all the bullshit talk about diversity and inclusion... there is still an area when all that goes out the proverbial window and no amount of smart-assed comments are considered in bad taste.
I didn't think "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" was necessarily a bigoted remark. Is that really so offensive? And I can't call myself fat?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:53:06pm |
re: #249 Walter L. Newton
Didn't mean to offend you. Just replied to a reply.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:53:11pm |
re: #251 marjoriemoon
I didn't think "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" was necessarily a bigoted remark. Is that really so offensive? And I can't call myself fat?
It offends me, yes.
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bratwurst Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:53:26pm |
re: #249 Walter L. Newton
People must think I'm just kidding when I say it really bothers me when people make fun of people with physical differences... such as weight, or the size of this or that, or who they look... it seems that with all the bullshit talk about diversity and inclusion... there is still an area when all that goes out the proverbial window and no amount of smart-assed comments are considered in bad taste.
You must hate the way Michael Moore is treated around here.
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:53:38pm |
re: #246 Walter L. Newton
Untapped... "young people, African Americans, Latinos and women.." Obama is playing the race card... big time.
Thanks for doing it for me.
Since you're so concerned, why don't you go for the trifecta and call him out for going after the younger voters.......damn age discrimination!
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:54:13pm |
re: #250 Walter L. Newton
No, but you linked to an opinion piece written by a man who makes his living speaking out against Obama and presented it as news.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:54:50pm |
So, the Republicans had another popular and effective leader who did an extremely good job as Governor and was actually liked by the majority of Florida citizens.
However he did not toe to the birther, anti-evolution, creationist, anti-abortion line, and therefore he needs to be replaced and quickly.
All you idiots who think your Republicans because of "social issues" and Christianity? Fuck you, seriously, just go fuck yourselves. Get the fuck out of my party and go start your own, the National Tea party Alliance beckons you.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:55:56pm |
re: #253 Walter L. Newton
It offends me, yes.
Wow. Where were you when I called Palin a piece of filth? I got a lot more mileage outa that you betcha.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:56:29pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:56:30pm |
re: #254 bratwurst
You must hate the way Michael Moore is treated around here.
I am... I know you are trying to catch me in a hypocritical remark, but you can't. Go back, go back for 7-8 years of my comments, search, there is one thing I have never been able to get over is all the fucking bullshit about diversity and being sensitive, yet all across the political spectrum those concepts seem to get kicked to the road side when it comes to remarks about physical attributes.
Play again?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:56:51pm |
re: #255 Reginald Perrin
Since you're so concerned, why don't you go for the trifecta and call him out for going after the younger voters...damn age discrimination!
Ding, ding, ding... you just did it for me.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:00:16pm |
re: #260 Stanley Sea
Or Helen Thomas.
You know my record here when it comes to snide remarks about people and their physical attributes. No amount of mentioning this name or that name, or asking did I ever comment about this person or that person, none of that crap deflection is going to change my record at LGF of trying to toe the line when it comes to cheap humor about physical attributes.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:01:00pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:02:25pm |
re: #261 Walter L. Newton
Excuse me? It ain't over till the fat lady sings is an old saying going back at least 20 years...It refers to an end of an opera.. And not one person in my whole life thought it was talking about fat ladies or being a bigot....
NOT ONE PERSON..well except for you...
Because it is a sports statement I know you don't understand the concept..So I understand the Faux outrage..
Really It doesn't mean what you think it does
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:02:58pm |
re: #256 tnguitarist
No, but you linked to an opinion piece written by a man who makes his living speaking out against Obama and presented it as news.
Big shit... you couldn't find the original quote yourself. No, it was easier to bitch about it. Sorry, you loose.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:02:59pm |
the Ted Kennedy windfarm has finally been approved:
First U.S. offshore wind farm approved after decade-long fight
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar approved the first offshore wind farm in the United States Wednesday, a move that ends a nearly decade-long political battle over installing turbines in the waters just off Cape Cod and could pave the way for significant offshore wind development elsewhere in the nation.
.....
The Cape Wind project remains hugely controversial, and a coalition of opponents announced Wednesday they would challenge the decision in court. Salazar said he was "confident" the decision, which has come under scrutiny by 17 state and federal agencies, would be upheld."While the Obama administration today dealt a blow to all of us who care deeply about preserving our most precious natural treasures, this fight is not over," said Audra Parker, president of the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound. "Litigation remains the option of last resort. However, when the federal government is intent on trampling the rights of Native Americans and the people of Cape Cod, we must act. We will not stand by and allow our treasured public lands to be marred forever by a corporate giveaway to private industrial energy developers."
10 more years and they might actually start building the damn things.
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steve_davis Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:03:28pm |
re: #13 Thanos
The real question is if he wins does he caucus with the D's or R's? In his shoes I would say screw the R's, I'm going with the D's to be more effective for my state since they are the majority.
Definitely with the dems. Which would you rather negotiate for--a committee assignment as a minority member, or a committee assignment in which you bargain with the majority for a nice plum in order to be mostly faithful on cloture votes and the votes that the majority leader tells you are party-line, rather than votes of conscience?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:03:37pm |
re: #266 HoosierHoops
Excuse me? It ain't over till the fat lady sings is an old saying going back at least 20 years...It refers to an end of an opera.. And not one person in my whole life thought it was talking about fat ladies or being a bigot...
NOT ONE PERSON..well except for you...
Because it is a sports statement I know you don't understand the concept..So I understand the Faux outrage..
Really It doesn't mean what you think it does
I am well aware of what it mean and the origins of the phrase. I still don't like it.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:04:40pm |
re: #270 Walter L. Newton
I am well aware of what it mean and the origins of the phrase. I still don't like it.
It ain't over till the plus size model sings
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Decatur Deb Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:05:01pm |
re: #265 Alouette
Soccer is Europe's new method of waging war.
Back in the 80s, the Pentagon was teaching itself a new combined arms concept called AirLand Battle. The metaphor was "WWII was football, AirLand is soccer".
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:06:45pm |
re: #267 Walter L. Newton
Big shit... you couldn't find the original quote yourself. No, it was easier to bitch about it. Sorry, you loose.
It's all about winning!
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:07:43pm |
re: #269 steve_davis
Definitely with the dems. Which would you rather negotiate for--a committee assignment as a minority member, or a committee assignment in which you bargain with the majority for a nice plum in order to be mostly faithful on cloture votes and the votes that the majority leader tells you are party-line, rather than votes of conscience?
I'll even give odds he'd be a more reliable cloture vote than Joe Lieberman.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:08:30pm |
re: #259 marjoriemoon
Wow. Where were you when I called Palin a piece of filth? I got a lot more mileage outa that you betcha.
What is oddly interesting is it seems that people are trying to get me to change my mind about the way I prefer to treat people when it comes to differing physical attributes and the sick humor that whips around those subjects.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:11:23pm |
re: #267 Walter L. Newton
Big shit... you couldn't find the original quote yourself. No, it was easier to bitch about it. Sorry, you loose.
First of all, it's lose. I'm reading the article as I type. Obama was discussing everything being on the table for an exploratory debt commission. He was only discussing what is on the table as far as what the commission will look in to. He was trying to keep from getting painted in a corner, but why bother. In a time of severe financial crisis, he wants to keep every avenue open. What a novel concept.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:11:54pm |
re: #275 Walter L. Newton
What is oddly interesting is it seems that people are trying to get me to change my mind about the way I prefer to treat people when it comes to differing physical attributes and the sick humor that whips around those subjects.
But I didn't call anyone fat except myself. How about if I called myself phat, as the kids say.
You have to be able to laugh at your own misgivings once in awhile IMO.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:12:01pm |
re: #275 Walter L. Newton
What is oddly interesting is it seems that people are trying to get me to change my mind about the way I prefer to treat people when it comes to differing physical attributes and the sick humor that whips around those subjects.
i don't like banging on the way that somebody looks either. but for me, there's a clear difference between callous remarks about someone's appearance and classic sayings like the one that Marjorie employed.
one is an insult; the other is a longstanding euphemism. you don't have to like it. i submit, however, that it is not poor character which makes most of us comfortable with a time-worn figure of speech.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:13:30pm |
re: #272 Decatur Deb
Back in the 80s, the Pentagon was teaching itself a new combined arms concept called AirLand Battle. The metaphor was "WWII was football, AirLand is soccer".
Yet somehow we found ourselves playing Rollerball, going round and round in circles while periodically getting donkey punched. Also, we're not playing the awesome original version either, but the absolute travesty of a remake.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:13:33pm |
re: #276 tnguitarist
First of all, it's lose. I'm reading the article as I type. Obama was discussing everything being on the table for an exploratory debt commission. He was only discussing what is on the table as far as what the commission will look in to. He was trying to keep from getting painted in a corner, but why bother. In a time of severe financial crisis, he wants to keep every avenue open. What a novel concept.
in more pithy terms, he appears to have made a campaign promise that he might well not be able to keep.
doesn't make him worse than any other politician. doesn't make him better, either...
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:14:22pm |
re: #277 marjoriemoon
But I didn't call anyone fat except myself. How about if I called myself phat, as the kids say.
You have to be able to laugh at your own misgivings once in awhile IMO.
I like phat. Me I'm not fat. I'm 'chunky'. Got some winter pounds to burn off. :)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:14:45pm |
re: #276 tnguitarist
First of all, it's lose. I'm reading the article as I type. Obama was discussing everything being on the table for an exploratory debt commission. He was only discussing what is on the table as far as what the commission will look in to. He was trying to keep from getting painted in a corner, but why bother. In a time of severe financial crisis, he wants to keep every avenue open. What a novel concept.
You convinced me. I agree. And I don't think there is any problem with possibly taking what ever he needs from people making under 250,000... that's a lot of people, most people, and it shouldn't be just the responsibility of the rich to make up the deficits... there's a whole lot of poorer citizens who can contribute. He should look at all his options, even options he promised he would never look at.
It's amazing how easy you swallow all this!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:15:28pm |
re: #281 Jadespring
I like phat. Me I'm not fat. I'm 'chunky'. Got some winter pounds to burn off. :)
What is phat? Is that an enduring term? Explain to me. I'm old, I don't understand.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:15:59pm |
re: #279 goddamnedfrank
Yet somehow we found ourselves playing Rollerball, going round and round in circles while periodically getting donkey punched. Also, we're not playing the awesome original version either, but the absolute travesty of a remake.
I've worked for some excellent generals, and for some who can't tell a merry-go-round from a cavalry charge.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:16:37pm |
re: #275 Walter L. Newton
What is oddly interesting is it seems that people are trying to get me to change my mind about the way I prefer to treat people when it comes to differing physical attributes and the sick humor that whips around those subjects.
where the hell is the sick humor of saying it ain't over till the fat lady sings?
Not one person in this world ( cause most people understand the concept but you) is that sick humor?
This is an old school saying that no one has ever found issues with in History...
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:18:43pm |
re: #281 Jadespring
I like phat. Me I'm not fat. I'm 'chunky'. Got some winter pounds to burn off. :)
I will probably always consider myself phat. As you know, it's a girl thang. I'm between a size 10 and 12, Med-Lg depending on where I shop. Is that phat? It's probably phat.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:19:18pm |
re: #285 HoosierHoops
where the hell is the sick humor of saying it ain't over till the fat lady sings?
Not one person in this world ( cause most people understand the concept but you) is that sick humor?
This is an old school saying that no one has ever found issues with in History...
Historically, black people were not considered human, but that changed, thank goodness. Someday, terms like "it's not over until the fat lady sings" will be looked upon as archaic language, not becoming an enlightened and spiritual civilization.
I wait in rapt hope for that day.
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:19:42pm |
re: #285 HoosierHoops
where the hell is the sick humor of saying it ain't over till the fat lady sings?
Not one person in this world ( cause most people understand the concept but you) is that sick humor?
This is an old school saying that no one has ever found issues with in History...
There's always a phirst! :)
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:19:46pm |
re: #283 Walter L. Newton
What is phat? Is that an enduring term? Explain to me. I'm old, I don't understand.
Cool, awesome, excellent, sexy
Wow last nights episode of Lost was way phat. You shoulda seen it.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:20:32pm |
re: #282 Walter L. Newton
I don't swallow anything. I do my homework. If you'll read the article, you will see how the gentleman from the SF Examiner cleverly misrepresented Obama's quotes. There is a reason he didn't link to an original article about it.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:20:43pm |
re: #289 Jadespring
Cool, awesome, excellent, sexy
Wow last nights episode of Lost was way phat. You shoulda seen it.
I did... three weeks ago, that was a repeat. The only one this season, but they needed to push the end of the series up into the middle of May sweeps, so they needed an extra week.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:21:44pm |
re: #287 Walter L. Newton
Historically, black people were not considered human, but that changed, thank goodness. Someday, terms like "it's not over until the fat lady sings" will be looked upon as archaic language, not becoming an enlightened and spiritual civilization.
I wait in rapt hope for that day.
not being over til the fat lady sings passing into history?????............. we need to cast skinny waif thin Brunhildas now??
(trudges off mumbling about political correctness gone mad)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:21:49pm |
re: #289 Jadespring
Cool, awesome, excellent, sexy
Wow last nights episode of Lost was way phat. You shoulda seen it.
Ok... so it has NOTHING to do with weight, right?
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:23:26pm |
re: #286 marjoriemoon
I will probably always consider myself phat. As you know, it's a girl thang. I'm between a size 10 and 12, Med-Lg depending on where I shop. Is that phat? It's probably phat.
Hee. That's not fat phat. I'd say you're phat though. :)
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:23:40pm |
re: #287 Walter L. Newton
My grandmother was fat. She sang. She even sang at the end of parties, to directly underscore the point. She rocked a leopard-skin dress. She said fat ladies were better at dancing. And if she were here today, she'd tell you to not be an uptight spoilsport, because she was fat and happy.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:23:54pm |
re: #292 wozzablog
not being over til the fat lady sings passing into history???... we need to cast skinny waif thin Brunhildas now??
(trudges off mumbling about political correctness gone mad)
Finally got my point... and the question is... where is that "fine line" of political correctness... normally the line is drawn between what a certain group considers offensive and what a group decides it permissible, with no defining rules or consistency, except agenda.
Fucking phat, huh?
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:23:56pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:24:26pm |
re: #295 Obdicut
My grandmother was fat. She sang. She even sang at the end of parties, to directly underscore the point. She rocked a leopard-skin dress. She said fat ladies were better at dancing. And if she were here today, she'd tell you to not be an uptight spoilsport, because she was fat and happy.
See my re: #296 Walter L. Newton...
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:25:04pm |
re: #297 Jadespring
It could be.
I just looked up the word in a number of urban and slang dictionaries and nothing about weight comes up.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:27:06pm |
re: #298 Walter L. Newton
That post makes no sense that I can see. There isn't really a ton of political correctness around anymore. There is still common decency, which was always around, telling us not to wantonly hurt other people.
Nobody was hurt by saying "until the fat lady sings" unless they really, really wanted to be, and your internet white-knighting is boring as hell.
White man can't jump
Sassy old black women are a caution
I love the way Brazilians laugh
Skinny-legged woman ain't got no soul.
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:27:21pm |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
I just looked up the word in a number of urban and slang dictionaries and nothing about weight comes up.
Look at the huge ass and knockers on that woman. She's so phat!
So yep it could be.
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The Curmudgeon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:27:34pm |
re: #116 Thanos
Sensuous Curmudgeon on Rubio:
Yeah, I'm no Rubio fan. I guess I don't like either party now. Where's Goldwater when we need him?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:27:35pm |
re: #300 Obdicut
That post makes no sense that I can see. There isn't really a ton of political correctness around anymore. There is still common decency, which was always around, telling us not to wantonly hurt other people.
Nobody was hurt by saying "until the fat lady sings" unless they really, really wanted to be, and your internet white-knighting is boring as hell.
White man can't jump
Sassy old black women are a caution
I love the way Brazilians laugh
Skinny-legged woman ain't got no soul.
Oh my... please, no more.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:28:14pm |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
I just looked up the word in a number of urban and slang dictionaries and nothing about weight comes up.
Try looking up a clue in the urban Dictionary
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:28:25pm |
re: #303 Walter L. Newton
You could try not saying eye-rollingly ridiculous things, Walter. That might work.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:28:38pm |
re: #292 wozzablog
not being over til the fat lady sings passing into history???... we need to cast skinny waif thin Brunhildas now??
(trudges off mumbling about political correctness gone mad)
Ann-Sophie von Otter
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:28:41pm |
re: #301 Jadespring
Look at the huge ass and knockers on that woman. She's so phat!
So yep it could be.
you're killing me over here
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:29:41pm |
re: #305 Obdicut
You could try not saying eye-rollingly ridiculous things, Walter. That might work.
I'll try... not promising anything... so don't let your guard down...
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:30:38pm |
re: #300 Obdicut
That post makes no sense that I can see. There isn't really a ton of political correctness around anymore. There is still common decency, which was always around, telling us not to wantonly hurt other people.
Nobody was hurt by saying "until the fat lady sings" unless they really, really wanted to be, and your internet white-knighting is boring as hell.
White man can't jump
Sassy old black women are a caution
I love the way Brazilians laugh
Skinny-legged woman ain't got no soul.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:33:01pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:34:56pm |
re: #311 Obdicut
they make the rockin' world go round..............
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:35:34pm |
re: #301 Jadespring
Look at the huge ass and knockers on that woman. She's so phat!
So yep it could be.
I have to say, I like big guys. Stout men. Tall isn't as important as body mass! Hell I like fat guys. There. I said it. Uh huh.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:35:36pm |
re: #311 Obdicut
my sister met Brian May recently..................
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:35:45pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:36:06pm |
re: #313 marjoriemoon
I have to say, I like big guys. Stout men. Tall isn't as important as body mass! Hell I like fat guys. There. I said it. Uh huh.
*stops holding in gut........*
hey... come here often???
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:36:10pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:37:28pm |
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:38:57pm |
re: #313 marjoriemoon
I have to say, I like big guys. Stout men. Tall isn't as important as body mass! Hell I like fat guys. There. I said it. Uh huh.
I'm offended/
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:53:20pm |
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What, me worry? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:04:45pm |
re: #319 wozzablog
yeppers.
and a degree in astrophysics...
Brian May's hair offends me. It's an affront to curly haired people everywhere.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:08:45pm |
re: #322 marjoriemoon
Brian May's hair offends me. It's an affront to curly haired people everywhere.
couldn't agree more. as a guy with curly hair, he needs to get that thing under control!
eh, you're right...i'm not really offended...i don't even fake it very well!
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palomino Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:32:14pm |
After he shook Obama's hand and gladly accepted the stimulus money, did Crist really stand a chance with FL GOP voters?
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limewash Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:43:08pm |
re: #283 Walter L. Newton
Hmm...didn't see anyont really tell Walter the acronym but my understanding was that PHAT = Pretty Hot and Tempting but I've now heard otherwise.
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