The Mighty Thor #126, March 1966

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This issue of The Mighty Thor bears the number 126, but it’s actually the very first issue of the series titled “The Mighty Thor,” which began as “Journey Into Mystery with The Mighty Thor.” Brevity rocks.

The Lizard Collection’s copy of this classic Silver Age comic is in remarkably good condition, with some minor flaws on the spine and around the bottom staple. The cover’s edges are sharp, inks are still bright, and the interior paper has much less age-related yellowing than most books from this era. Like the rest of the Lizard Collection, this book spent 40+ years in a sealed wooden chest in dry climates.

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1 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:53:23pm

Thor rocks!

2 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:55:14pm

This is an absolutely stunning collection. The number of books saved, and in what appears to be really good condition, is amazing. I would suspect most people come across an old comic or two or maybe three as they sort through things, but this is a huge collection, well preserved. An amazing treasure.

3 freetoken  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:55:37pm

re: #1 darthstar

Thor rocks!

Thor rocks…?

4 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:58:10pm

re: #1 darthstar

Thor rocks!

It looks like he’s fighting Hercules in this comic.

5 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:59:40pm

re: #3 freetoken

Thor rocks…?

Updinged for the cafepress pic…I used to work there.

6 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:59:49pm

Luckily, Thor looked down at his hands before
accepting his father’s offer to pay for dental school.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:59:49pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

It looks like he’s fighting Hercules in this comic.

Yes, that’s Thor vs. Hercules. Herc first showed up in “Journey Into Mystery” #124, which we also have in the LC.

8 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:04:04pm

re: #7 Charles

Yes, that’s Thor vs. Hercules. Herc first showed up in “Journey Into Mystery” #124, which we also have in the LQ.

As I understand it, Hercules played a role in several several Marvel Comics. I know that he was part of the Avengers for a time. Much later, around 1990, he was actually killed in an Avengers comic.

9 jeremy0114  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:10:30pm

Because of work I havent been around lately… but I have to ask.. has Charles been given a rough idea of what his collection is worth? Seems to me a bunch… not being knowledgeable on the subject of comic books…

10 freetoken  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:13:05pm

Moving off topic… going to go read some more of Coyne’s Why Evolution is True. So far it seems like a useful book, but being the nit-picker that I am I wish some things would have been written differently.

11 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:13:29pm

What’s the buzz?

12 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:17:04pm

re: #9 jeremy0114

Because of work I havent been around lately… but I have to ask.. has Charles been given a rough idea of what his collection is worth? Seems to me a bunch… not being knowledgeable on the subject of comic books…

This one’s worth 12 cents, according to its cover…but you could probably find someone willing to give you a quarter for it.

13 darthstar  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:21:02pm

re: #12 darthstar

This one’s worth 12 cents, according to its cover…but you could probably find someone willing to give you a quarter for it.

Just looked on eBay…they seem to range from $20 to a couple hundred…(1959 comics taking the higher end)…

14 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:22:32pm

I made some chicken stew from leftovers tonight. My usual method of thickening stews involves throwing in a few pieces of stale bread. All I had on hand tonight was some sour dough. Delicious!

15 brookly red  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:24:31pm

re: #13 darthstar

Just looked on eBay…they seem to range from $20 to a couple hundred…(1959 comics taking the higher end)…

Having a complete storyline can increase the value btw.

16 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:24:43pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I’m sorry to hear that your dough went sour!
(It’s the best bread!)

17 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:25:19pm

Very cool collection Charles.
They seem to be in great shape for the age!
I ,on the other hand am a little worse for the years.
Which bring in the real “Comic” when I publish my Autobiography!
LOL…I think!

18 shiplord kirel  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:25:35pm

Thought this was interesting….

Gerhard Zucker, rocket quack.
I’m sure everyone has seen an old film clip of a comical looking winged rocket, with polished metal body and oil-can spout cone nose, sputtering off a launch ramp and more or less flying a few feet before flopping into the snow in front of the launcher. That film, taken at Harris England in 1934, is the most durable legacy of the work of Gerhard Zucker.

Before World War 2, Zucker spent years traveling around Germany claiming that he had built a rocket that could carry either mail or bombs hundreds of miles at supersonic speed. In fact, his rockets were hollow shells with a few ordinary fireworks rockets attached. He sold unauthorized postal covers, carried out spectacularly unconvincing demonstrations, and eventually took his show to England when Germany got too hot for him. He claimed this was because he was anti-Nazi but in fact the postal inspectors were much more interested than the Gestapo.

The famous film was taken of an attempt to launch the rocket and its cargo of unofficial commemorative covers from Harris to the Isle of Scarp. Zucker made all kinds of excuses for his failure but the British postal authorities were no more pleased than their German counterparts. He was deported back to Germany, where he served in the Luftwaffe in World War 2. He resumed his dubious experiments after the war. The death of a student in the accidental explosion of one of his worthless rockets in 1964 led to a German ban on private rocket development that continues to this day. He resumed selling fraudulent postal covers in the 70s but died peacefully and out of prison in 1985.

19 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:27:50pm

re: #10 freetoken

Like maybe having Evolution written in the “first hand”
account would be helpful!
/

20 jeremy0114  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:28:59pm

re: #12 darthstar

Im sure 25 cents would be a deal… Ill make a standing rule if I can buy pre-1965 comic books at 25 cents or less ill do it without question…

It was just a curiosity… Makes me want to go through my mother’s attic, she has stored all kinds of stuff stored…

21 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:30:36pm

MLB All-Star Game should emigrate from Arizona over immigration

The most heartening example of this comes from the 1990s. When the state of Arizona refused to honor Martin Luther King Day, the NFL and union took action. The league voted to yank Super Bowl XXVII out of Arizona and move it to the Rose Bowl. Faced with losing millions of dollars, Arizona voters finally backed the holiday and the NFL awarded Super Bowl XXX to Tempe.

So sports leagues have long tossed around their hefty weight and privately attempted to force change either for their own benefit or occasionally for the greater good.

If baseball pulls the All-Star Game, does that mean the league should continue by, saying, moving the Diamondbacks or taking further measures such as pulling all of the spring training games? No, of course not. I’m asking MLB to make a simple, but powerful, statement the way the NFL did with the Super Bowl.

Keeping the All-Star Game out of Arizona until legislators come to their senses would be a powerful move that would need no follow-up.

22 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:32:37pm

So did anyone else noticed that Buck found a friend in the Sarah Palin thread?

I honestly hope the two of them are very happy together.

23 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:34:05pm

Why is it that religious events are allow to be held in the special events room HC-5 in the US Capitol?

WHAT: Prayer rally and press conference to kick off August faith-based push for health care reform.

WHO: Local clergy, grassroots faith leaders and families from across the country, representing PICO National Network, Faith in Public Life, Sojourners, and Catholic in Alliance for the Common Good

WHEN: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 at 9:30 a.m.

WHERE: Capitol Building, HC 5

VISUALS: 100 grassroots faith leaders holding signs that say “No Recess for Reform” and that have specific data on how health reform will help families in key states

piconetwork.org

24 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:34:18pm

Something crawled under the stairs in my front hallway and died. Stench getting worse by the hour. So now anyone visiting my house is going to think they’re at a crime scene. This is what I get for watching shows like “Dexter”.

If I’m lucky it’ll just be a mouse. They mummify pretty quickly. If it’s a full-sized Baltimore rat, I may need a new hallway.

25 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:35:48pm

.

26 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:36:58pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

MLB All-Star Game should emigrate from Arizona over immigration

using sports as political muscle leaves me with a bad feeling…punishing a lot of people who had nothing to do with that law…oh well, if that’s what it’s come to so be it

27 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:37:17pm

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

Its actually a pretty good question. I suspect you know the answer tho:


“Its political suicide to be the one that says no, and the court is so skewed now that they won’t rule on it properly”

28 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:40:02pm

re: #27 windsagio

Its actually a pretty good question. I suspect you know the answer tho:

“Its political suicide to be the one that says no, and the court is so skewed now that they won’t rule on it properly”

No I don’t know the answer at all… I came across this in Googling something else. I’ve found a number of religious base events taking place in this room in the Capital. That bother’s me. WHy would they allow that? Do you know the answer?

I can’t find any general info on this room and the requirements for using it…

29 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:40:11pm

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

Why is it that religious events are allow to be held in the special events room HC-5 in the US Capitol?

WHAT: Prayer rally and press conference to kick off August faith-based push for health care reform.

WHO: Local clergy, grassroots faith leaders and families from across the country, representing PICO National Network, Faith in Public Life, Sojourners, and Catholic in Alliance for the Common Good

WHEN: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 at 9:30 a.m.

WHERE: Capitol Building, HC 5

VISUALS: 100 grassroots faith leaders holding signs that say “No Recess for Reform” and that have specific data on how health reform will help families in key states

[Link: www.piconetwork.org…]

somebody called in a chit…presto!

30 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:40:28pm

re: #27 windsagio

Its actually a pretty good question. I suspect you know the answer tho:

“Its political suicide to be the one that says no, and the court is so skewed now that they won’t rule on it properly”

I don’t know what you’re talking about, “the cross is the most common symbol of the resting place of the dead!”

31 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:40:45pm

re: #26 albusteve

using sports as political muscle leaves me with a bad feeling…punishing a lot of people who had nothing to do with that law…oh well, if that’s what it’s come to so be it

Professional athletes are a pretty ethnically diverse bunch. Limbaugh can’t own part of an NFL team because of his history of racist comments. Athletes are perfectly within their rights to boycott racism. I don’t really blame them if they don’t want to patronize Arizona.

32 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:41:02pm

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

We would need a lizard lawyer to tell if there has been a challenge to this sort of function (Prayer Breakfasts, etc.). The House and Senate even have chaplains, like the military. It might not have been worth anyone’s effort to mount a serious court case.

33 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:41:09pm

re: #27 windsagio

“Its political suicide to be the one that says no, and the court is so skewed now that they won’t rule on it properly”

And what does you “quote” have to do with my question?

34 brookly red  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:42:06pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

No I don’t know the answer at all… I came across this in Googling something else. I’ve found a number of religious base events taking place in this room in the Capital. That bother’s me. WHy would they allow that? Do you know the answer?

I can’t find any general info on this room and the requirements for using it…

I am not sure but I think multi-faith events are seen differently than single faith… could be wrong.

35 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:42:47pm

re: #33 Walter L. Newton

That’s my answer silly :p

I use quotes rather freely, blockquote too, but I try not to do that, as people tend to think its a ‘fixT’ kind of thing then.

36 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:43:05pm

re: #24 Cato the Elder

Could be worse, could be a skunk! We had neighbors who went on vacation for 2 months. The smell in the neighborhood, kept growing., When they came home, they found a dead skunk under the house. IIRC they replaced all of the fabrics in the house. Including matresses. You could smell it 1/2 mile uphill.
Hope your whatever it is, either petrifies quickly, or motivates you to dig it out & get rid of it. I understand a couple of drops of gasoline on a rag over the nose/mouth covers the smell. Or, is worse than the smell.

37 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:43:09pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

It sounds like it’s primarily a political event.

38 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:43:19pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

Thinking of this, or coincidence?

39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:43:40pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I made some chicken stew from leftovers tonight. My usual method of thickening stews involves throwing in a few pieces of stale bread. All I had on hand tonight was some sour dough. Delicious!

I made pizza for dinner tonight. I didn’t use up all the dough, so I am leaving out the dough overnight and I will make sourdough baguettes tomorrow.

40 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:44:01pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

We would need a lizard lawyer to tell if there has been a challenge to this sort of function (Prayer Breakfasts, etc.). The House and Senate even have chaplains, like the military. It might not have been worth anyone’s effort to mount a serious court case.

Challenge to what… using a federal meeting room for actual religious prayers… how about this one…


Congressional Muslim Staffers Association (CMSA).“Representing Muslim Americans on Capitol Hill since 2006!”

Capitol Hill Jummah
Fridays (Except National Holidays)
U.S. Capitol Building
Room HC-5
12:30pm to 1:15pm
Guest Khateeb:TBA

congressionalmuslims.org

OR

The Role of Faith in Promoting Peace in the Middle East - A Special Workshop Sponsored by the Faith & Politics Institute and the United States Institute of Peace

usip.org

41 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:44:35pm

re: #24 Cato the Elder

Something crawled under the stairs in my front hallway and died. Stench getting worse by the hour. So now anyone visiting my house is going to think they’re at a crime scene. This is what I get for watching shows like “Dexter”.

If I’m lucky it’ll just be a mouse. They mummify pretty quickly. If it’s a full-sized Baltimore rat, I may need a new hallway.

Perhaps its time to call a workman to look under there and remove the corpse.

42 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:44:41pm

re: #38 windsagio

Thinking of this, or coincidence?

Of course I was, I wanted to provide some proof to back up why the current make up of the supreme court is unlikely to rule properly on the matter.

43 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:45:19pm

re: #37 jaunte

It sounds like it’s primarily a political event.

This is a political event too…

Congressional Muslim Staffers Association (CMSA).“Representing Muslim Americans on Capitol Hill since 2006!”

Capitol Hill Jummah
Fridays (Except National Holidays)
U.S. Capitol Building
Room HC-5
12:30pm to 1:15pm
Guest Khateeb:TBA

congressionalmuslims.org

44 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:45:35pm

re: #35 windsagio

That’s my answer silly :p

I use quotes rather freely, blockquote too, but I try not to do that, as people tend to think its a ‘fixT’ kind of thing then.

What answer?

45 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:45:50pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Professional athletes are a pretty ethnically diverse bunch. Limbaugh can’t own part of an NFL team because of his history of racist comments. Athletes are perfectly within their rights to boycott racism. I don’t really blame them if they don’t want to patronize Arizona.

athletes don’t make those decisions, the owners and commissioner do….and Mexicans are not a race, the law is not racists unless you need to skew it that way….some laws will effect certain ethnic groups more than others…are special gang fighting LE teams racists?….their targets are minority blacks and Hispanics

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:46:08pm

re: #26 albusteve

using sports as political muscle leaves me with a bad feeling…punishing a lot of people who had nothing to do with that law…oh well, if that’s what it’s come to so be it

Not that Arizona is a stranger to it:

Tempe was originally chosen as the venue for Super Bowl XXVII. However, the NFL pulled the game away from Arizona after the league joined a massive, nationwide tourist boycott by various groups to protest the state’s refusal to recognize Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. After Arizona finally adopted the federal holiday in 1992, the NFL again began to consider Tempe. NFL owners voted to award Super Bowl XXX to Tempe, Arizona during their March 23, 1993 meeting.[2]

47 brookly red  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:46:21pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps its time to call a workman to look under there and remove the corpse.


before the flies descend…

48 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:46:42pm

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

I mean if it was simply a worship service of some kind, I don’t think it would be held there, but religious citizens of various kinds are able to use the room.

49 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:47:05pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

The reason they allowed it was because it would be political suicide to disallow it.

I hope that’s sufficiently clear.

50 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:47:10pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

Challenge to what… using a federal meeting room for actual religious prayers… how about this one…

Congressional Muslim Staffers Association (CMSA).“Representing Muslim Americans on Capitol Hill since 2006!”

Capitol Hill Jummah
Fridays (Except National Holidays)
U.S. Capitol Building
Room HC-5
12:30pm to 1:15pm
Guest Khateeb:TBA

[Link: www.congressionalmuslims.org…]

OR

The Role of Faith in Promoting Peace in the Middle East - A Special Workshop Sponsored by the Faith & Politics Institute and the United States Institute of Peace

[Link: www.usip.org…]

I don’t have a problem with it.

51 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:47:34pm

re: #42 jamesfirecat

I actually kinda think that cross should be left up anyways, its almost a historical artifact at this point.

52 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:49:18pm

re: #48 jaunte

I mean if it was simply a worship service of some kind, I don’t think it would be held there, but religious citizens of various kinds are able to use the room.

That last link I gave you is a worship service… every friday…

More Googling tells me that this room is a general purpose room set up by the Capitol Chaplains office… and they allow the room to be used for various religious services and events.

This is not right.

chaplain.house.gov

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:49:39pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

We would need a lizard lawyer to tell if there has been a challenge to this sort of function (Prayer Breakfasts, etc.). The House and Senate even have chaplains, like the military. It might not have been worth anyone’s effort to mount a serious court case.

Madison didn’t want Congress to have chaplains. He thought it went against the Establishment Clause.

But what would he know about that, anyway?

//

54 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:50:39pm

re: #36 Floral Giraffe

Could be worse, could be a skunk! We had neighbors who went on vacation for 2 months. The smell in the neighborhood, kept growing., When they came home, they found a dead skunk under the house. IIRC they replaced all of the fabrics in the house. Including matresses. You could smell it 1/2 mile uphill.
Hope your whatever it is, either petrifies quickly, or motivates you to dig it out & get rid of it. I understand a couple of drops of gasoline on a rag over the nose/mouth covers the smell. Or, is worse than the smell.

Trouble is, the house was built in 1904, to the standards of the day.

It’s a Baltimore row house with party walls so thick the neighbors could run a shooting gallery next door (with guns, not needles) and I’d never hear it. The staircase is solid wood with treads that show almost no wear after 106 years. Ripping anything out would be hellishly expensive.

Jeez. The only good thing is we’re in the middle of an East Coast cold snap, so things may work out before it all gets too ripe.

Do your work, maggots!

55 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:51:13pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I don’t have a problem with it.

See chaplain.house.gov I have a problem, this is a federal space being used for religious purposes of all kinds… prayer gatherings, every Friday Jummah and other various religious purposes.

No way… we got this thing called the constitution.

56 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:52:18pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps its time to call a workman to look under there and remove the corpse.

See my #54. No looking without tearing the joint apart.

57 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:53:02pm

There was a ballistic missile called the Thor.

Photo
Wili article about the Thor missile.

58 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:53:02pm

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

That last link I gave you is a worship service… every friday…

More Googling tells me that this room is a general purpose room set up by the Capitol Chaplains office… and they allow the room to be used for various religious services and events.

This is not right.

[Link: chaplain.house.gov…]

Why?

59 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:53:33pm

re: #54 Cato the Elder

We found amazing artifacts, when we had to move the foundations of an 1896 house. All sorts of stuff, fell out of the walls. Guns, bottles of medicine. jewelry, money, just plain loot. Lathe & plaster is durable!

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:53:36pm

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

That last link I gave you is a worship service… every friday…

More Googling tells me that this room is a general purpose room set up by the Capitol Chaplains office… and they allow the room to be used for various religious services and events.

This is not right.

[Link: chaplain.house.gov…]

Remember how hysterical people got when there was a Hindu priest who did the opening prayer for Congress?

61 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:54:52pm

re: #48 jaunte

I mean if it was simply a worship service of some kind, I don’t think it would be held there, but religious citizens of various kinds are able to use the room.

Religious folks are allowed to take part in our political process.
As you pointed out, these looked to me like political events, in which the participants are folks aligned with religions. Not worship services.

62 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:55:02pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton
I wondered why Congress would have a chaplain, too.
That pdf you linked says:

In recent Supreme Court decisions, the constitutionality of the Chaplain’s role has been upheld based on precedent
and tradition.


I suppose this room usage would be treated the same way.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:55:25pm

There was bitterness…

“Our founders expected that Christianity - and no other religion - would receive support from the government as long as that support did not violate peoples’ consciences and their right to worship,” said the Family Research Council, a leading advocacy group for conservative causes.

“They would have found utterly incredible the idea that all religions, including paganism, be treated with equal deference,” the group said in a comment posted on its Web page.

64 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:55:54pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

Madison didn’t want Congress to have chaplains. He thought it went against the Establishment Clause.

But what would he know about that, anyway?

//

I side with Mr Jimmy on this one….if the situation needs to be changed, start there

65 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:56:15pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

There was bitterness…

Wow what a bunch of jackasses…

“When we say freedom of religion, we mean freedom of our religion!”

66 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:56:18pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton


I think they are using the same rationale as the military chaplaincies. I could see attacking both from a “purist” point of view, but there would be a high risk of appearing like a doctrinaire dumbass. None of this bothers me as much as the Office of Faith-based Initiatives. There’s real money with long reach there.

67 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:56:49pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

See [Link: chaplain.house.gov…] I have a problem, this is a federal space being used for religious purposes of all kinds… prayer gatherings, every Friday Jummah and other various religious purposes.

No way… we got this thing called the constitution.

Doesn’t the First Amendment mean they can’t endorse a specific religion? If any religion can use that room for services (and I would expect or hope, no endorsement/incitement of violence), and atheists can simply choose not to use that room without legal consequence, then there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with it.

68 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:57:07pm

re: #59 Floral Giraffe

We found amazing artifacts, when we had to move the foundations of an 1896 house. All sorts of stuff, fell out of the walls. Guns, bottles of medicine. jewelry, money, just plain loot. Lathe & plaster is durable!

Any laudanum among the medicine bottles? ‘Cause, I would totally buy that shit off you right now.

69 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:57:12pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

See [Link: chaplain.house.gov…] I have a problem, this is a federal space being used for religious purposes of all kinds… prayer gatherings, every Friday Jummah and other various religious purposes.

No way… we got this thing called the constitution.

it’s a Living Document, meant to be bent and shaped according to the latest new pink

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:57:35pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

Religious folks are allowed to take part in our political process.
As you pointed out, these looked to me like political events, in which the participants are folks aligned with religions. Not worship services.

Senate Bible Study, Latter Day Saints Staffer Scripture Study, Staff Bible Study, a Rosary Group, and Torah Study are all listed.

I’m pretty sure these should be classified as religious events being participated in by political people, rather than the other way round.

71 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:57:37pm

re: #45 albusteve

Any Latino/Hispanic looking person can be arrested in Arizona. I can understand why they wouldn’t want to go to Arizona and I don’t blame them.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:57:42pm

re: #59 Floral Giraffe

We found amazing artifacts, when we had to move the foundations of an 1896 house. All sorts of stuff, fell out of the walls. Guns, bottles of medicine. jewelry, money, just plain loot. Lathe & plaster is durable!

There are still old houses around here where people find money stashed in the door jambs during renovations. Back in the old days people would drop money in a crack of the door jamb and it would collect for years. I am tempted to tear my old door jamb apart.

73 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:58:04pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember how hysterical people got when there was a Hindu priest who did the opening prayer for Congress?

No… but this is not right. There have been case after case of tearing out the ten commandments in public government buildings, government spaces refusing to allow any religious symbolism for the holiday season (Christian or other wise)… and I could go on and on… and now we find actual religious SERVICES going on in the basement of the Capitol… different faith services, prayer meetings, religious groups meeting etc… I’m not sure how this happens considering all the push back that we’ve seen in this country about the government sponsoring religious activities of any sort.

74 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:58:08pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

Any laudanum among the medicine bottles? ‘Cause, I would totally buy that shit off you right now.

I just had to look that up.

75 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:58:30pm

re: #54 Cato the Elder

Trouble is, the house was built in 1904, to the standards of the day.

It’s a Baltimore row house with party walls so thick the neighbors could run a shooting gallery next door (with guns, not needles) and I’d never hear it. The staircase is solid wood with treads that show almost no wear after 106 years. Ripping anything out would be hellishly expensive.

Jeez. The only good thing is we’re in the middle of an East Coast cold snap, so things may work out before it all gets too ripe.

Do your work, maggots!

Still, be glad you have such a well built home. I grew up in a house from that era in Chicago.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:58:45pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

I think they are using the same rationale as the military chaplaincies. I could see attacking both from a “purist” point of view, but there would be a high risk of appearing like a doctrinaire dumbass. None of this bothers me as much as the Office of Faith-based Initiatives. There’s real money with long reach there.

People going into battle really need chaplains.

People working as Congressional staffers could just go to a church.

I do think it’s somewhat different.

I also think it’s basically set in stone at this point.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:59:30pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Any Latino/Hispanic looking person can be arrested in Arizona. I can understand why they wouldn’t want to go to Arizona and I don’t blame them.

God knows, I don’t want to go to Arizona. It’s hot there this time of year.

78 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:59:52pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

Any laudanum among the medicine bottles? ‘Cause, I would totally buy that shit off you right now.

are you teething? or a recreational user?

79 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:59:55pm

If it’s a general purpose room used for all sorts of meetings, I don’t see a constitutional issue. i.e. one week it’s a environmental group, the next it’s a gathering of the Jewish faith, than perhaps Catholics. It’s just like the chaplains office on board ship, it’s open to all faiths, even atheists can seek counsel from the chaplain.
If there was a Christian room for example, I’d agree.

80 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:59:57pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

Religious folks are allowed to take part in our political process.
As you pointed out, these looked to me like political events, in which the participants are folks aligned with religions. Not worship services.

This is not a political event… it’s an EVERY FRIDAY prayer service…

congressionalmuslims.org

And this was another PRAYER service in that room…

piconetwork.org

These are not political events. Period.

81 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:00:24pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Still, be glad you have such a well built home. I grew up in a house from that era in Chicago.

Oh, believe my, I know what I have here. Purchased twenty years ago with what seemed like real money at the time, even now, after the housing collapse, it’s worth three times what I paid for it.

82 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:00:30pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

I think if anyone pushed for a change at this point it could be perceived as the majority religion victimizing the minorities.

83 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:00:37pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

Senate Bible Study, Latter Day Saints Staffer Scripture Study, Staff Bible Study, a Rosary Group, and Torah Study are all listed.

I’m pretty sure these should be classified as religious events being participated in by political people, rather than the other way round.

I had not seen that when I posted my comment, and of course, you would be correct.

If the room is available to all - and it seems to be - then freedom of religion exists in the use of that room.

84 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:00:55pm

re: #79 avanti

If it’s a general purpose room used for all sorts of meetings, I don’t see a constitutional issue. i.e. one week it’s a environmental group, the next it’s a gathering of the Jewish faith, than perhaps Catholics. It’s just like the chaplains office on board ship, it’s open to all faiths, even atheists can seek counsel from the chaplain.
If there was a Christian room for example, I’d agree.

Quite Concur.

85 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:01:02pm

re: #78 albusteve

are you teething? or a recreational user?

Teething. Again.

I grow a new set every spring.

86 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:01:05pm

re: #79 avanti

If it’s a general purpose room used for all sorts of meetings, I don’t see a constitutional issue. i.e. one week it’s a environmental group, the next it’s a gathering of the Jewish faith, than perhaps Catholics. It’s just like the chaplains office on board ship, it’s open to all faiths, even atheists can seek counsel from the chaplain.
If there was a Christian room for example, I’d agree.

It’s a federal event room, it should not be used for weekly prayer services.

87 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:01:38pm

re: #79 avanti

If it’s a general purpose room used for all sorts of meetings, I don’t see a constitutional issue. i.e. one week it’s a environmental group, the next it’s a gathering of the Jewish faith, than perhaps Catholics. It’s just like the chaplains office on board ship, it’s open to all faiths, even atheists can seek counsel from the chaplain.
If there was a Christian room for example, I’d agree.

My thoughts too.

88 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:01:39pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

Any laudanum among the medicine bottles? ‘Cause, I would totally buy that shit off you right now.

LOL! It was many years ago, and I wouldn’t drink ANYTHING we found in those walls. Even IF it was still liquid.

89 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:02:00pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

This is not a political event… it’s an EVERY FRIDAY prayer service…

[Link: www.congressionalmuslims.org…]

And this was another PRAYER service in that room…

[Link: www.piconetwork.org…]

These are not political events. Period.

Ok, I had not seen that when I posted my comment.

90 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:02:19pm

re: #74 laZardo

I just had to look that up.

I know what that is because I read Harry Turtledove. Alternate reality reverse race fantasy John Bell Hood pounds the stuff down to make up for the fact that he’s missing half his limbs.

91 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:03:03pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

God knows, I don’t want to go to Arizona. It’s hot there this time of year.

It’s always hot in Arizona. Except in the winter, when it’s frickin cold!

92 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:04:10pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder

Teething. Again.

I grow a new set every spring.

Do you file them into those points?
Or do they grow that way, naturally?

93 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:04:41pm

re: #88 Floral Giraffe

LOL! It was many years ago, and I wouldn’t drink ANYTHING we found in those walls. Even IF it was still liquid.

No telling what would be in there. Could even be cocaine.

Had an employee once test positive for cocaine. We called him in, and he swore up and down that he never used cocaine.

However, his ex-wife had put a voodoo hex on him, and so he had seen a voodoo priestess who gave him an unmarked bottle of something to drink to take that hex off of him, and so the cocaine must have been in there.

True story. It’s also true that we didn’t believe him.

94 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:04:43pm

re: #82 jaunte

I think if anyone pushed for a change at this point it could be perceived as the majority religion victimizing the minorities.

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

re: #69 albusteve

Fine… fine… I remember this the next time I see some “outrage” discussion about some religious group encroaching on our constitutional right to separation of church and state.

95 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:04:55pm

re: #90 jamesfirecat

I know what that is because I read Harry Turtledove. Alternate reality reverse race fantasy John Bell Hood pounds the stuff down to make up for the fact that he’s missing half his limbs.

He really did use that stuff. It messed him up as a commander and may have helped cause him to send his army to mutilation at the Battle of Franklin in 1964. The Rebels charged entrenched Union troops are were pulverized. I actually had an ancestor on the Union side of that battle.

96 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:04:57pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Any Latino/Hispanic looking person can be arrested in Arizona. I can understand why they wouldn’t want to go to Arizona and I don’t blame them.

right, wrong or otherwise that’s the point…I wish it were different but the voters in AZ have had enough…I’m a bit befuddled that most here do not recognize the dire situation down there….doing nothing is no longer an option, and the feds have forced Arizona’s hand

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:04:59pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

No… but this is not right. There have been case after case of tearing out the ten commandments in public government buildings, government spaces refusing to allow any religious symbolism for the holiday season (Christian or other wise)… and I could go on and on… and now we find actual religious SERVICES going on in the basement of the Capitol… different faith services, prayer meetings, religious groups meeting etc… I’m not sure how this happens considering all the push back that we’ve seen in this country about the government sponsoring religious activities of any sort.

I think there’s a distinct difference between a creche on a courthouse lawn, and ten people who work in the Capitol meeting on Wednesday nights to read the Book of Mormon together, no?

What seems like pushing it to me is having a Congressional chaplain, and an official place for these activities to take place, rather than the Bible Studies reserving a multi-purpose room for their group.

98 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #90 jamesfirecat

And speaking of knowing what that is, I just noticed some Final Fantasy VII in your avatar.

/knowledge is power, bro

99 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:05:43pm

re: #93 reine.de.tout

No telling what would be in there. Could even be cocaine.

Had an employee once test positive for cocaine. We called him in, and he swore up and down that he never used cocaine.

However, his ex-wife had put a voodoo hex on him, and so he had seen a voodoo priestess who gave him an unmarked bottle of something to drink to take that hex off of him, and so the cocaine must have been in there.

True story. It’s also true that we didn’t believe him.

You gotta give him an “A” for effort though.
Not that you’d ever trust him!

100 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:06:37pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I think there’s a distinct difference between a creche on a courthouse lawn, and ten people who work in the Capitol meeting on Wednesday nights to read the Book of Mormon together, no?

What seems like pushing it to me is having a Congressional chaplain, and an official place for these activities to take place, rather than the Bible Studies reserving a multi-purpose room for their group.

No… it’s not alright. And the office of the chaplain should go south too!

101 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:06:43pm

re: #99 Floral Giraffe

You gotta give him an “A” for effort though.
Not that you’d ever trust him!

Oh, we fired him.
And about 4 weeks later he was arrested for - distribution of cocaine.

102 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:06:54pm

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

re: #69 albusteve

Fine… fine… I remember this the next time I see some “outrage” discussion about some religious group encroaching on our constitutional right to separation of church and state.

Fair enough.

103 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:07:41pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder

Teething. Again.

I grow a new set every spring.

if I had a keg, I’d give half to you

104 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:07:49pm

re: #101 reine.de.tout

Oh, we fired him.
And about 4 weeks later he was arrested for - distribution of cocaine.

Did he tell the cops it belonged to the voodoo woman?

105 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:08:08pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

It’s a federal event room, it should not be used for weekly prayer services.

That’s a bit of a stretch IMHO. I’d think to exclude use only on account of faith or lack thereof would be a issue.

106 brookly red  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:08:37pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Did he tell the cops it belonged to the voodoo woman?

/probably sued her for not removing the hex…

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:09:17pm

re: #96 albusteve

right, wrong or otherwise that’s the point…I wish it were different but the voters in AZ have had enough…I’m a bit befuddled that most here do not recognize the dire situation down there…doing nothing is no longer an option, and the feds have forced Arizona’s hand

Those poor, poor people.

My heart is bleeding purple Kool-Aid for the plight of Arizona.

108 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:09:37pm

re: #98 laZardo

And speaking of knowing what that is, I just noticed some Final Fantasy VII in your avatar.

/knowledge is power, bro

Well yeah I heard somebody some where (it might have been a fanfic) refer to Nanaki’s race as “Firecat” hence my handle….

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:10:00pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

No… it’s not alright. And the office of the chaplain should go south too!

Well, as I said, Madison would agree wholeheartedly with you.

110 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:10:03pm

Have I plugged the cookbook yet in this thread?
No?

OK:

SHAMELESS COOKBOOK PROMOTION!

Volume 2 of the LGF Readers cookbook is ready! Click my nic to get to the blog, and then click the orange LULU button to the right. Volume 1 is still available at the blue LULU button.

The price of the book is set just as the price was for Volume 1, that is, the sale of the book will result in a “profit” of $5 per book sold. This will be distributed according to the final distribution vote - the vote closes on April 30th.

There are lots of great recipes, plus special bonus material!

Killgore has his very own special gardening section.

And be sure to check out the ROFLMAO section, which includes a Very Long Geeky Engineer Pun Thread; the Definitive Cognito Banning Timeline; How Honcos Came To Be; We Have Our Very Own Personal SpaceJesus; Viagra Creates the 4-hour Thread; and many more! These feature comments by a cast of - well - a lot - including FBV, Lazardo, Walter L Newton, Spare O’Lake, LVQ, Slumbering Behemoth, Hoosier Hoops and many others!

A NOTE ABOUT THE PROOFING: There was a lot of help with that, but remember that everyone who helped is an amateur volunteer!

Also, in the ROFLMAO section - any errors were left intact in that section, in which people’s comments appear exactly as written. Hehehe.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:10:23pm

re: #101 reine.de.tout

Oh, we fired him.
And about 4 weeks later he was arrested for - distribution of cocaine.

That was probably an effect of the voodoo hex. It made him distribute cocaine.

112 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:10:34pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

No… it’s not alright. And the office of the chaplain should go south too!

I agree with you in theory, but the harm this practice does to the nation is negligible compared to the harm to be done by a strong effort to prohibit it. My outrage level is set fairly low.

113 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:10:54pm

Obama Takes on Goldman Sachs Through Clever Internet Ad

A new White House ad that pops up on Google searches for “Goldman Sachs SEC” features a plea by President Obama for financial reform, and is creating its own controversy. The ad is triggering praise as a smart bit of cyber marketing, but is also being cited as possible evidence of White House pressure in a financial investigation.

The first result for a search of the terms “Goldman Sachs SEC” brings users to a sponsored link titled “Help Change Wall Street.” Clicking the link takes users to a page on barackobama.com, featuring a photo of the president accompanied by a quote about Wall Street reform and a prompt to register with the site.

A Democratic Party source confirmed the ad was bought by the White House political wing, Organizing for America, and said it was part of a strategy to purchase Internet ads pegged to the most talked about issues on any given day.

The organization buys ads targeting the words people are most often searching. In recent weeks the White House political arm has bought ads with the keywords: “wall street reform,” “AIG” and “big bank bailout.”

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:11:07pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, as I said, Madison would agree wholeheartedly with you.

As do I, actually.

115 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:11:14pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I think there’s a distinct difference between a creche on a courthouse lawn, and ten people who work in the Capitol meeting on Wednesday nights to read the Book of Mormon together, no?

What seems like pushing it to me is having a Congressional chaplain, and an official place for these activities to take place, rather than the Bible Studies reserving a multi-purpose room for their group.

what’s the difference?….they both allow federal property to be used for religious expression…there are choices, enforce the Constitution or don’t and shut up about it

116 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:11:26pm

Question for US Constitutional Mavens:
Is the AZ immigration law likely to withstand a court challenge on the basis that the Feds have abrogated their jurisdiction by failing to enforce existing federal law?

117 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:11:27pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

Have I plugged the cookbook yet in this thread?
No?

OK:

SHAMELESS COOKBOOK PROMOTION!

Volume 2 of the LGF Readers cookbook is ready! Click my nic to get to the blog, and then click the orange LULU button to the right. Volume 1 is still available at the blue LULU button.

The price of the book is set just as the price was for Volume 1, that is, the sale of the book will result in a “profit” of $5 per book sold. This will be distributed according to the final distribution vote - the vote closes on April 30th.

There are lots of great recipes, plus special bonus material!

Killgore has his very own special gardening section.

And be sure to check out the ROFLMAO section, which includes a Very Long Geeky Engineer Pun Thread; the Definitive Cognito Banning Timeline; How Honcos Came To Be; We Have Our Very Own Personal SpaceJesus; Viagra Creates the 4-hour Thread; and many more! These feature comments by a cast of - well - a lot - including FBV, Lazardo, Walter L Newton, Spare O’Lake, LVQ, Slumbering Behemoth, Hoosier Hoops and many others!

A NOTE ABOUT THE PROOFING: There was a lot of help with that, but remember that everyone who helped is an amateur volunteer!

Also, in the ROFLMAO section - any errors were left intact in that section, in which people’s comments appear exactly as written. Hehehe.

I’ll buy volume 3 in the series, hopefully by that point I’ll be well enough established at LGF that I’ll be in it.

118 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:12:42pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

That was probably an effect of the voodoo hex. It made him distribute cocaine.

LOL.
Or the lack of a job. Combined with that voodoo hex.
He was in a car he had “rented” from one of the judges in town.
This particular judge happened to own an extra car that he kept on hand to “rent” out to people in need.

sheesh.

119 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:13:12pm

re: #105 avanti

That’s a bit of a stretch IMHO. I’d think to exclude use only on account of faith or lack thereof would be a issue.

Like I said above… I’ll remember these comments… interesting that there is so much ecumenicalism bubbling over on this subject, I’ll wait and see the next time there is a outrage about some religious encroachment on our perceived rights.

120 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:13:50pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

I agree with you in theory, but the harm this practice does to the nation is negligible compared to the harm to be done by a strong effort to prohibit it. My outrage level is set fairly low.

Yea, me too. I’m a agnostic, but I spent a hour or so with the chaplain on occasion with a issue I was having. Sometimes you just need a good listener, and his door was open to all.

121 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:01pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

I’ll buy volume 3 in the series, hopefully by that point I’ll be well enough established at LGF that I’ll be in it.

Oh, JAMES!
Go ahead and buy Volume 2. There may not be a Volume 3, who knows?
You don’t want to be left out in the cold. It’s worth it for Jaunte’s art and Cato’s poem, if nothing else!

122 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:22pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

Have I plugged the cookbook yet in this thread?
No?

OK:

SHAMELESS COOKBOOK PROMOTION!

Volume 2 of the LGF Readers cookbook is ready! Click my nic to get to the blog, and then click the orange LULU button to the right. Volume 1 is still available at the blue LULU button.

The price of the book is set just as the price was for Volume 1, that is, the sale of the book will result in a “profit” of $5 per book sold. This will be distributed according to the final distribution vote - the vote closes on April 30th.

There are lots of great recipes, plus special bonus material!

Killgore has his very own special gardening section.

And be sure to check out the ROFLMAO section, which includes a Very Long Geeky Engineer Pun Thread; the Definitive Cognito Banning Timeline; How Honcos Came To Be; We Have Our Very Own Personal SpaceJesus; Viagra Creates the 4-hour Thread; and many more! These feature comments by a cast of - well - a lot - including FBV, Lazardo, Walter L Newton, Spare O’Lake, LVQ, Slumbering Behemoth, Hoosier Hoops and many others!

A NOTE ABOUT THE PROOFING: There was a lot of help with that, but remember that everyone who helped is an amateur volunteer!

Also, in the ROFLMAO section - any errors were left intact in that section, in which people’s comments appear exactly as written. Hehehe.

And as a bonus, there are more than a dozen illustrations inside Cookbook 2, which is helpfully priced below the cost of Cookbook 1.

123 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:32pm

re: #92 Floral Giraffe

Do you file them into those points?
Or do they grow that way, naturally?

A little of both.

Gnawing on troll bones helps with the pain.

124 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:43pm

re: #113 Racer X

Obama Takes on Goldman Sachs Through Clever Internet Ad

A new White House ad that pops up on Google searches for “Goldman Sachs SEC” features a plea by President Obama for financial reform, and is creating its own controversy. The ad is triggering praise as a smart bit of cyber marketing, but is also being cited as possible evidence of White House pressure in a financial investigation.

The first result for a search of the terms “Goldman Sachs SEC” brings users to a sponsored link titled “Help Change Wall Street.” Clicking the link takes users to a page on barackobama.com, featuring a photo of the president accompanied by a quote about Wall Street reform and a prompt to register with the site.

A Democratic Party source confirmed the ad was bought by the White House political wing, Organizing for America, and said it was part of a strategy to purchase Internet ads pegged to the most talked about issues on any given day.

The organization buys ads targeting the words people are most often searching. In recent weeks the White House political arm has bought ads with the keywords: “wall street reform,” “AIG” and “big bank bailout.”

Clever tactic, though it is biting the hand that fed him, given how much money they gave him. That’s exceptional of him, too: Chicago politicians normally stay bought.

125 brookly red  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:52pm

re: #118 reine.de.tout

LOL.
Or the lack of a job. Combined with that voodoo hex.
He was in a car he had “rented” from one of the judges in town.
This particular judge happened to own an extra car that he kept on hand to “rent” out to people in need.

sheesh.

/did the judge in question request payment in cocaine? would make for an interesting defense…

126 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:56pm

re: #113 Racer X

This is what I got for being lucky…

127 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:15:12pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

Those poor, poor people.

My heart is bleeding purple Kool-Aid for the plight of Arizona.

like the murdered rancher eh?…just enforce the law, and little of this would be an issue…but I would not expect you to see the simplicity of the situation, seeing as the status quo is fine relative to the degree of suffering in your opinion…that thought process is not sustainable in real life

128 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:15:26pm

re: #122 jaunte

And as a bonus, there are more than a dozen illustrations inside Cookbook 2, which is helpfully priced below the cost of Cookbook 1.

YIKES!
Sorry, I should have known to include that, good grief, where is my head?

YES, the price of the book is worth it for the art alone.

129 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:15:39pm

re: #93 reine.de.tout

No telling what would be in there. Could even be cocaine.

Had an employee once test positive for cocaine. We called him in, and he swore up and down that he never used cocaine.

However, his ex-wife had put a voodoo hex on him, and so he had seen a voodoo priestess who gave him an unmarked bottle of something to drink to take that hex off of him, and so the cocaine must have been in there.

True story. It’s also true that we didn’t believe him.

And we now know that your lying about being from New Orleans.

Any real NO person would believe that in a heartbeat.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:16:06pm

re: #115 albusteve

what’s the difference?…they both allow federal property to be used for religious expression…there are choices, enforce the Constitution or don’t and shut up about it

I beg your pardon.

A religious display in the public space of a federal building establishes and approves a religious practice, which is CONTRARY to the Establishment Clause. The staffers reading the Book of Mormon on their lunch break are practicing their freedom of association and religion which is in ACCORDANCE with the Establishment Clause and other parts of the First Amendment.

The only issue is to what extent Congress must remove itself from official notice or sanction of the study group. I agree with Walter that the office of the chaplain itself is probably unconstitutional, and that I would prefer these activities to be taking place in multi-purpose rooms which would also be available to the Congressional Staffer D&D group.

131 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:16:27pm

re: #129 Cato the Elder

And we now know that your lying about being from New Orleans.

Any real NO person would believe that in a heartbeat.

Well, that could be true, ‘cept I’m from Baton Rouge.

132 brookly red  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:16:41pm

re: #123 Cato the Elder

A little of both.

Gnawing on troll bones helps with the pain.

careful the marrow can give you Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease…

133 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:16:48pm

re: #24 Cato the Elder

Something crawled under the stairs in my front hallway and died. Stench getting worse by the hour. So now anyone visiting my house is going to think they’re at a crime scene. This is what I get for watching shows like “Dexter”.

If I’m lucky it’ll just be a mouse. They mummify pretty quickly. If it’s a full-sized Baltimore rat, I may need a new hallway.

Only on the top. The bottom goo sticks to the floor.

134 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:17:23pm

At 8200 feet in the Colorado Rockies…

Tonight
Slight Chc
Rain/Snow
Lo 28 °F

Thursday
Chance
Rain/Snow
Hi 42 °F

Thursday Night
Slight Chc
Snow
Lo 22 °F

Friday
Slight Chc
Rain/Snow
Hi 38 °F

Friday Night
Slight Chc
Rain/Snow
Lo 23 °F

Saturday
Chance
Rain/Snow
Hi 40 °F

Saturday Night
Chance
Rain/Snow
Lo 26 °F

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:17:26pm

re: #116 Spare O’Lake

Question for US Constitutional Mavens:
Is the AZ immigration law likely to withstand a court challenge on the basis that the Feds have abrogated their jurisdiction by failing to enforce existing federal law?

I wouldn’t want to be the one making that argument in court, I’ll say that much.

136 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:17:56pm

re: #116 Spare O’Lake

Question for US Constitutional Mavens:
Is the AZ immigration law likely to withstand a court challenge on the basis that the Feds have abrogated their jurisdiction by failing to enforce existing federal law?

as long as nobody is suffering too much, it doesn’t seem to matter….hahaha!…we need a Degree of Suffering Panel to establish a need to enforce the law

137 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:17:59pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

Oh, JAMES!
Go ahead and buy Volume 2. There may not be a Volume 3, who knows?
You don’t want to be left out in the cold. It’s worth it for Jaunte’s art and Cato’s poem, if nothing else!

Lets see it costs $17.0 I’ve got $37 in my paypal account…. if I can get my parents for Chaos Rising (I asked for Dawn of War 2 for my birthday not realizing the expansion was out) then I promise I’ll buy it…

138 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:18:07pm

I didn’t know HuffPo allowed an anti-semitic terrorist apologist to write for their website.

An Open Letter to UC Berkeley Students — Passing the Israel Divestment Bill by Mustafa Barghouthi

139 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:18:12pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Clever tactic, though it is biting the hand that fed him, given how much money they gave him. That’s exceptional of him, too: Chicago politicians normally stay bought.

No. He is still bought.

So much for “The financial crisis was all the Republicans fault” bullshit.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:18:13pm

re: #118 reine.de.tout

LOL.
Or the lack of a job. Combined with that voodoo hex.
He was in a car he had “rented” from one of the judges in town.
This particular judge happened to own an extra car that he kept on hand to “rent” out to people in need.

sheesh.

A voodoo hex can apparently really mess up your life. I will try to avoid getting hit with one.

141 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:18:27pm

re: #137 jamesfirecat

Lets see it costs $17.0 I’ve got $37 in my paypal account… if I can get my parents for Chaos Rising (I asked for Dawn of War 2 for my birthday not realizing the expansion was out) then I promise I’ll buy it…

How about a job?

142 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:18:46pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

Like I said above… I’ll remember these comments… interesting that there is so much ecumenicalism bubbling over on this subject, I’ll wait and see the next time there is a outrage about some religious encroachment on our perceived rights.

Walter, I’m big on separation of church and state, I just don’t see the issue of allowing the use of a multipurpose room by those of faith as a violation. For example, aren’t religious wedding allowed on public property ? What about on base chapels ?

143 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:18:53pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Well one of his selling points during the campaign was the high % of contributions he got from small donors, the idea that it wouldn’t leave him beholden to things like Goldman/Sachs.

Not saying its accurate, just saying it would fit what you’re saying :)

144 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:18:56pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL. If there were a Congressional D&D group, I’d try to get in as an observer.

145 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:19:18pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

Well, that could be true, ‘cept I’m from Baton Rouge.

What, they got no voodoo-hoodoo in BA?

146 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:19:58pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

BUY THE COOKBOOK.
You will enjoy it immensely.
And, it makes a great gift!

Jaunte’s art alone, is worth the price!

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:20:26pm

re: #127 albusteve

like the murdered rancher eh?…just enforce the law, and little of this would be an issue…but I would not expect you to see the simplicity of the situation, seeing as the status quo is fine relative to the degree of suffering in your opinion…that thought process is not sustainable in real life

Nonsense. There’s no easy solution to this, but this law will not accomplish anything except make a bunch of people feel as though they’re DOING SOMETHING.

It won’t do jack shit to help anyone, either side of the border.

148 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:20:53pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

I beg your pardon.

A religious display in the public space of a federal building establishes and approves a religious practice, which is CONTRARY to the Establishment Clause. The staffers reading the Book of Mormon on their lunch break are practicing their freedom of association and religion which is in ACCORDANCE with the Establishment Clause and other parts of the First Amendment.

The only issue is to what extent Congress must remove itself from official notice or sanction of the study group. I agree with Walter that the office of the chaplain itself is probably unconstitutional, and that I would prefer these activities to be taking place in multi-purpose rooms which would also be available to the Congressional Staffer D&D group.

are you saying you would hold congress accountable with regard to Constitutional separation of church and state, but not with regard enforcing our laws concerning illegal immigration?….shocka!

149 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:21:01pm

re: #142 avanti

Walter, I’m big on separation of church and state, I just don’t see the issue of allowing the use of a multipurpose room by those of faith as a violation. For example, aren’t religious wedding allowed on public property ? What about on base chapels ?

Most of the time a marriage on a public property is paid for, it’s a rental. Base chapels should be destroyed.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:21:06pm

re: #139 Racer X

I’m starting to think they’re all bought.

HI KIDDIES!

151 brookly red  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:21:16pm

good night all.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:21:17pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

Well, that could be true, ‘cept I’m from Baton Rouge.

They’re hard-headed, rational thinkers in Baton Rouge.

153 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:21:19pm

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

How about a job?

Dude I’m going to get a job to, it’s just that money in my paypal account is my “screw around with” /impulse purchase money as opposed to my bank acount because I get it it through my side writing for other people who are smart/stupid enough to commission me.

154 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:21:33pm

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

How about a job?

what ,,, and cut into X Box time!?!?
feh!

155 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:21:42pm

re: #139 Racer X

You’re getting all tribal again >>

156 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:21:54pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Piker.
You need to buy the first two volumes.
Even without you in them, they are great.
Well, the first one is, haven’t seen the second one, yet.
But, I ordered it!

157 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:22:02pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

I might get it for my mom for Mother’s day. :D

158 windsagio  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:22:11pm

re: #154 sattv4u2

Speaking of that, I should probably go back upstairs >

159 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:22:35pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

They’re hard-headed, rational thinkers in Baton Rouge.

but busted flat …

160 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:22:39pm

re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m starting to think they’re all bought.

HI KIDDIES!

Bingo!

161 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:22:48pm

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

That last link I gave you is a worship service… every friday…

More Googling tells me that this room is a general purpose room set up by the Capitol Chaplains office… and they allow the room to be used for various religious services and events.

This is not right.

[Link: chaplain.house.gov…]

I don’t have a problem with it. You say they allow it to be used for various religious services and events…What’s the problem??

162 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:22:56pm

re: #156 Floral Giraffe

Piker.
You need to buy the first two volumes.
Even without you in them, they are great.
Well, the first one is, haven’t seen the second one, yet.
But, I ordered it!

Can we set up some kind of packaged deal so that you can buy the two books together for only $30 or so?

163 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:22:58pm

re: #157 laZardo

I might get it for my mom for Mother’s day. :D

GREAT idea!

164 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:23:07pm

re: #155 windsagio

You’re getting all tribal again >>

Don’t make me put a hex on you.

;-)

165 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:23:40pm

re: #139 Racer X

No. He is still bought.

So much for “The financial crisis was all the Republicans fault” bullshit.

No surprise. The “its all the other guy’s fault” is a old bit of political posturing.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:23:45pm

re: #148 albusteve

are you saying you would hold congress accountable with regard to Constitutional separation of church and state, but not with regard enforcing our laws concerning illegal immigration?…shocka!

I hold the Federal government accountable for both. Don’t try to presume that I don’t want immigration law enforced to the best of our ability because I can see this AZ bill as the feel-good silliness it is.

167 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:23:47pm

re: #164 Racer X

Don’t make me put a hex on you.

;-)

Yeah, it can mess up your life sumpin awful.

168 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:23:52pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Most of the time a marriage on a public property is paid for, it’s a rental. Base chapels should be destroyed.

I won’t even bother to spend much time to reply to that one.

169 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:24:07pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

Nonsense. There’s no easy solution to this, but this law will not accomplish anything except make a bunch of people feel as though they’re DOING SOMETHING.

It won’t do jack shit to help anyone, either side of the border.

of course it will….the point is to get illegal immigrants to move on, and they will because they will be terrified to stay…remember?

170 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:24:18pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

I sent you a good hex, well, as good a hex as I can do.
It was for a great job, in a great school, with TONS of growth opportunities.
I hope it works!

171 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:24:56pm

re: #155 windsagio

You’re getting all tribal again How come you don’t just agree with everything Obama does?

Is this what you really meant?

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:25:03pm

This came on the radio tonight. Y’all can dig it too.

Freakin’ love Margo Timmins.

173 albusteve  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:25:23pm

re: #159 reine.de.tout

but busted flat …

waiting for a train….with that, I’m out like Buster Mathis

174 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:25:23pm

re: #120 avanti

There’s a great story from WWII about the chaplains.

This Protestant guy got hit pretty bad, and the chaplain, who was Jewish, misread his dog tags and gave him Catholic last rites. “I remember feeling I really had my bases covered,” he said.

175 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:25:47pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Most of the time a marriage on a public property is paid for, it’s a rental. Base chapels should be destroyed.

That’s the problem. Whether you are right or not, it is obvious that your effort would help theocrats level the first amendment before the second military chapel would be bulldozed.

176 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:25:51pm

re: #162 jamesfirecat

Can we set up some kind of packaged deal so that you can buy the two books together for only $30 or so?

No Can Do, sorry.
Most of the price of the book is the printing cost.
Each book sale produces a mere $5 in revenue.
At least 1/2 of which will go to help support LGF (and the other half to Soldier’s Angels, unless the voting changes).

177 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:25:51pm

Ay Caramba!
Puerto Rican funeral home presents shooting victim on his motorcycle [w/ really creepy video]

If you thought you’d previously seen it all, well, you’re wrong. Case in point: David Morales Colón, a 22-year-old Puerto Rican man who was shot to death last Thursday, and whose wake is now making headlines here in the United States mainland. How come? Well, suffice it to say that the funeral directors at Marin Funeral Home in San Juan’s Hato Rey neighborhood have a flair for the unorthodox. For example, in 2008, they embalmed another young shooting victim and displayed his body standing up for the duration of a multi-day wake.

Back to the present: Yesterday and today, callers who stopped to pay their final respects to the late Mr. Colón got a bit of a surprise. Instead of the traditional presentation of the body in a casket, Mr. Colón’s corpse, dressed in casual duds and sunglasses, was instead posed in a very lifelike position atop his Repsol-liveried Honda CBR600 F4. According to Puerto Rico’s Primera Hora newspaper, the motorcycle was given to the victim by his uncle, and upon Mr. Colón’s untimely demise, family members delivered the bike to the funeral home specifically for this unusual wake.

178 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:26:39pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

That is really weird.

179 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:26:46pm

re: #168 avanti

I won’t even bother to spend much time to reply to that one.

I spent less. :)

180 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:26:47pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

A voodoo hex can apparently really mess up your life. I will try to avoid getting hit with one.

You need a reverse hex.
I can send you a voodoo doll.

181 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:27:17pm

re: #164 Racer X

Don’t make me put a hex on you.

;-)

SCREEAAMMIN JAAAY HAWWKINS!

Youtube Video
182 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:27:54pm

re: #159 reine.de.tout

but busted flat …

Oh yeah, babe!

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:27:57pm

re: #169 albusteve

of course it will…the point is to get illegal immigrants to move on, and they will because they will be terrified to stay…remember?

Wait. People who deal drugs and murder ranchers and are causing the whole state of Arizona to live in fear are going to run for their lives back across the border because they’re scared of the Arizona police department?

Are the Arizona cops really that scary?

184 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:02pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

I wouldn’t be caught dead on a Honda.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:24pm

re: #170 Floral Giraffe

I sent you a good hex, well, as good a hex as I can do.
It was for a great job, in a great school, with TONS of growth opportunities.
I hope it works!

Thanks! I have a sample lesson to do on Monday, so I’m at least in the top two.

186 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:31pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

You need a reverse hex.
I can send you a voodoo doll.

You have friends on the other side?

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:40pm

re: #173 albusteve

waiting for a train…with that, I’m out like Buster Mathis

Night, Steve.

188 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:55pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

That’s the problem. Whether you are right or not, it is obvious that your effort would help theocrats level the first amendment before the second military chapel would be bulldozed.

Agreed. If its between base chapels and the separation of church and state, in this country separation would lose.

189 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:56pm

re: #181 laZardo

Does that dude have a bone through his nose?

190 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:29:29pm

re: #162 jamesfirecat

If you don’t have the cash, don’t spend it.
It’s no that hard.
Are you familiar with Dave Ramsey?
Financial guru, and a little too evangelical christian, but good on finance.
I heartily recommend him.

191 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:29:42pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

MLB All-Star Game should emigrate from Arizona over immigration

For Arizona, this is literally a life and death issue. If they lose in court on this issue, it won’t be the game that emigrates from AZ, it will be the current population of AZ. The place won’t be safe. It isn’t, now. Kidnappings are at unheard of levels. Kidnapping capital of America The Mexican drug war is spilling over into AZ and that’s its leading edge.

192 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:29:54pm

re: #174 Obdicut

There’s a great story from WWII about the chaplains.

This Protestant guy got hit pretty bad, and the chaplain, who was Jewish, misread his dog tags and gave him Catholic last rites. “I remember feeling I really had my bases covered,” he said.

My take on Chaplains, and chapels is pretty straight forward. We can safely assume some members of the military have faith. Assuming they have faith, and we isolate them from their local church and Pastor/Priest/ Rabbi, I have no problem with providing one for them where they serve.
Congressional Chaplains, not so much.

193 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:02pm

re: #186 Alouette

You have friends on the other side?

Of course, silly!
But I may have to get that judge to ‘rent’ me his extra car.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:10pm

re: #174 Obdicut

There’s a great story from WWII about the chaplains.

This Protestant guy got hit pretty bad, and the chaplain, who was Jewish, misread his dog tags and gave him Catholic last rites. “I remember feeling I really had my bases covered,” he said.

You know, whatever works.

There’s a battlefield version of the Amidah, a series of prayers that observant Jews recite twice a day, which basically comes down to “God, I need stuff, and I’m too scared/confused/busy to really explain, so please, provide as appropriate.”

195 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:25pm

re: #189 Racer X

Looks like it, and if you have to ask, yes, they were drunk when they first recorded it.

196 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:39pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks! I have a sample lesson to do on Monday, so I’m at least in the top two.

WOO HOO!
Best of luck to you!

197 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:31:25pm

re: #190 Floral Giraffe

If you don’t have the cash, don’t spend it.
It’s no that hard.
Are you familiar with Dave Ramsey?
Financial guru, and a little too evangelical christian, but good on finance.
I heartily recommend him.

Dave Ramsey is good.
But I will admit I hate hearing him on the radio when I’m in the car with the Roi, because it starts the Roi on one of his, “Don’t spend ANYTHING MORE THAN IS NECESSARY” routines that drives me crazy.

198 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:31:34pm

re: #190 Floral Giraffe

If you don’t have the cash, don’t spend it.
It’s no that hard.
Are you familiar with Dave Ramsey?
Financial guru, and a little too evangelical christian, but good on finance.
I heartily recommend him.

Like I said, I use my pay pal account which I fill by doing commissioned story writing in my free time as my mad money account while I use my bank account to garner interest.

At the moment I’ve got $37 dollars that I earned by writing stories. That’s no where near as much as I can earn by writing code once I find a job, but I feel I can spend freely.

199 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:32:22pm

re: #197 reine.de.tout

That’s when you have the big boiling pot of water for dinner.

200 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:32:32pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks! I have a sample lesson to do on Monday, so I’m at least in the top two.

Good news!
I hope this works out.

201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:33:43pm

Sometimes Wikipedia is hip…
Wiki’s featured article today is about this song…

202 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:33:47pm

re: #199 jaunte

That’s when you have the big boiling pot of water for dinner.

I just spit all over my keyboard! And snorted too …

LOL.

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:34:44pm

re: #176 reine.de.tout

FIGHT THE CHEAPSKATES!

204 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:35:18pm

Here’s some of my fave voodoo.

205 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:36:20pm

‘Nite, all.

206 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:36:21pm

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FIGHT THE CHEAPSKATES!

When I played hockey, I never bought cheap skates!

207 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:36:23pm

re: #191 lostlakehiker

For Arizona, this is literally a life and death issue. If they lose in court on this issue, it won’t be the game that emigrates from AZ, it will be the current population of AZ. The place won’t be safe. It isn’t, now. Kidnappings are at unheard of levels. Kidnapping capital of America The Mexican drug war is spilling over into AZ and that’s its leading edge.

You know shit is hitting the fan when you have to deploy Denzel Washington.

/what, it was a good movie

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:37:08pm

re: #191 lostlakehiker

For Arizona, this is literally a life and death issue. If they lose in court on this issue, it won’t be the game that emigrates from AZ, it will be the current population of AZ. The place won’t be safe. It isn’t, now. Kidnappings are at unheard of levels. Kidnapping capital of America The Mexican drug war is spilling over into AZ and that’s its leading edge.

Lemme ask a question about this:

Can you explain to me how being able to investigate the immigration status of people they come in contact with is going to solve any part of this equation? The biggest issue appears to be the narcos and the criminal element, who, presumably, the cops are already pursuing for, you know, dealing drugs and kidnapping people.

Let’s say that Ramon is a real bad dude. The cops arrest him for, say, kidnapping and torturing a drug rival. What new power do the cops have to bring him under control with the new law?

209 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:37:40pm

re: #207 laZardo

You know shit is hitting the fan when you have to deploy Denzel Washington.

/what, it was a good movie

Speaking of Arizona, just found this great cartoon….

Image: ?action=view&current=04272010judge04-27-10slideshow_main.jpg

210 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:37:47pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

Ay Caramba!
Puerto Rican funeral home presents shooting victim on his motorcycle [w/ really creepy video]

Heh. That reminds me of the drug dealer who was buried in a Cadillac.

211 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:38:18pm

re: #191 lostlakehiker

For Arizona, this is literally a life and death issue. If they lose in court on this issue, it won’t be the game that emigrates from AZ, it will be the current population of AZ. The place won’t be safe. It isn’t, now. Kidnappings are at unheard of levels. Kidnapping capital of America The Mexican drug war is spilling over into AZ and that’s its leading edge.

The AZ law has nothing to do with crime. It’s all bout the Arizona white people not liking the brown people. Did you not get the memo?

212 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:38:29pm

re: #197 reine.de.tout

Dave Ramsey is good.
But I will admit I hate hearing him on the radio when I’m in the car with the Roi, because it starts the Roi on one of his, “Don’t spend ANYTHING MORE THAN IS NECESSARY” routines that drives me crazy.

But, debt free, really is how you live in control of your life.
It’s news to a frightenening number of people.
Besides, I like the human interest stories.
WHO on earth owes $50,000 on a freaking car?

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:39:02pm

re: #211 Racer X

The AZ law has nothing to do with crime. It’s all bout the Arizona white people not liking the brown people. Did you not get the memo?

OK, can YOU answer my question?

214 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:40:03pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

Lemme ask a question about this:

Can you explain to me how being able to investigate the immigration status of people they come in contact with is going to solve any part of this equation? The biggest issue appears to be the narcos and the criminal element, who, presumably, the cops are already pursuing for, you know, dealing drugs and kidnapping people.

Let’s say that Ramon is a real bad dude. The cops arrest him for, say, kidnapping and torturing a drug rival. What new power do the cops have to bring him under control with the new law?

Simple: Designate the cartels as insurgent organizations and thus make Ramon an unlawful combatant. Then waterboard him.

/semi-serious

215 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:41:14pm

re: #212 Floral Giraffe

But, debt free, really is how you live in control of your life.
It’s news to a frightenening number of people.
Besides, I like the human interest stories.
WHO on earth owes $50,000 on a freaking car?

Someone who bought a car beyond his means?

216 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:42:05pm

re: #191 lostlakehiker

For Arizona, this is literally a life and death issue. If they lose in court on this issue, it won’t be the game that emigrates from AZ, it will be the current population of AZ. The place won’t be safe. It isn’t, now. Kidnappings are at unheard of levels. Kidnapping capital of America The Mexican drug war is spilling over into AZ and that’s its leading edge.

I don’t live in Arizona, but that’s what I just don’t get. Arizona has to pay the price (economically, socially, violence, etc.), and the citizens should be able to decide for themselves what is right for them. It’s so easy for people from the other 35-40 states or so that don’t have to deal with the problem to sit back and think that they know better than the citizens of Arizona. I think Arizona would be better off if the idiots from California, and San Francisco in particular, boycott the state.

Maybe alll the pissed-off people will go to California instead of Arizona. Wouldn’t that be cool!!

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:42:49pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Simple: Designate the cartels as insurgent organizations and thus make Ramon an unlawful combatant. Then waterboard him.

/semi-serious

OK, that’s A solution, but I don’t think the AZ bill will allow for that.

;)

218 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:42:58pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, can YOU answer my question?

Well, I’m not sure about AZ, but here in CA cops are forbidden from asking about anyone’s illegal status. I’d like to get a cop from AZ to provide insight into this law.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:43:36pm

re: #216 Unakite

I don’t live in Arizona, but that’s what I just don’t get. Arizona has to pay the price (economically, socially, violence, etc.), and the citizens should be able to decide for themselves what is right for them. It’s so easy for people from the other 35-40 states or so that don’t have to deal with the problem to sit back and think that they know better than the citizens of Arizona. I think Arizona would be better off if the idiots from California, and San Francisco in particular, boycott the state.

Maybe alll the pissed-off people will go to California instead of Arizona. Wouldn’t that be cool!!

I would like to point out, tactfully, that California also shares a border with Mexico.

220 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:44:23pm

re: #212 Floral Giraffe

But, debt free, really is how you live in control of your life.
It’s news to a frightenening number of people.
Besides, I like the human interest stories.
WHO on earth owes $50,000 on a freaking car?

You are correct, and the Roi’s insistence on that meant that I could retire at 54, with no worries.

I’m actually very grateful for him.

221 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:44:50pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

Lemme ask a question about this:

Can you explain to me how being able to investigate the immigration status of people they come in contact with is going to solve any part of this equation? The biggest issue appears to be the narcos and the criminal element, who, presumably, the cops are already pursuing for, you know, dealing drugs and kidnapping people.

Let’s say that Ramon is a real bad dude. The cops arrest him for, say, kidnapping and torturing a drug rival. What new power do the cops have to bring him under control with the new law?

Who says the only problem is stopping the drug cartels and the criminals? That may be the straw which has finally broken the camel’s back, but the porous border and the ongoing influx of vast numbers of additional honest new illegals seeking employment is the underlying problem which needs to be addressed.

222 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:45:38pm

re: #216 Unakite

I don’t live in Arizona, but that’s what I just don’t get. Arizona has to pay the price (economically, socially, violence, etc.), and the citizens should be able to decide for themselves what is right for them. It’s so easy for people from the other 35-40 states or so that don’t have to deal with the problem to sit back and think that they know better than the citizens of Arizona. I think Arizona would be better off if the idiots from California, and San Francisco in particular, boycott the state.

Maybe alll the pissed-off people will go to California instead of Arizona. Wouldn’t that be cool!!

Um, no, THANK YOU, we have our own problems, and don’t need Arizona’s too!

223 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:45:39pm

I heard on the radio today that 23% of all incarcerated inmates in the U.S. are illegal aliens. Much higher % in CA, AZ, Texas - so there is a huge financial strain directly caused by the failure of the Federal Government to properly regulate and control new potential citizens.

224 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:45:42pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

Lemme ask a question about this:

Can you explain to me how being able to investigate the immigration status of people they come in contact with is going to solve any part of this equation? The biggest issue appears to be the narcos and the criminal element, who, presumably, the cops are already pursuing for, you know, dealing drugs and kidnapping people.

Let’s say that Ramon is a real bad dude. The cops arrest him for, say, kidnapping and torturing a drug rival. What new power do the cops have to bring him under control with the new law?

Isn’t the idea of checking IDs supposed to get the illegals to leave?

225 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:45:52pm

Drudge Headline: HISPANICS PLAN RALLIES IN 70 CITIES

Oppression! Tea Party! Konstitution!
/lol

226 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:46:46pm

re: #220 reine.de.tout

You are correct, and the Roi’s insistence on that meant that I could retire at 54, with no worries.

I’m actually very grateful for him.

Congratulations.
I like being retired “too young” and hope you do too!

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:46:50pm

re: #218 Racer X

Well, I’m not sure about AZ, but here in CA cops are forbidden from asking about anyone’s illegal status. I’d like to get a cop from AZ to provide insight into this law.

Some have been in favor. Others aren’t.

Arizona Immigration Law ‘puts police in an impossible situation’.

228 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:47:05pm

Just a drive by — dropping this by for the lizards who were trying to make out that Kris Kobach was not involved in crafting the AZ immigration law. This is from the Lawrence Journal in Kansas:

His contract with Maricopa County deals with training deputies under Sheriff Joe Arpaio on arrest procedures under federal immigration law. Arpaio, who is considering a run for governor, has been criticized by some for improper tactics in cracking down on illegal immigration.
Kobach’s help on the new state immigration law in Arizona was done for free, he said.

“I want these states to draft laws that will stand up in court,” he said.

He also has written local ordinances dealing with illegal immigration in Hazelton, Pa., and Farmers Branch, Texas.
Kobach said he was asked to help out on the Arizona law by state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican from Mesa, Ariz.
Kobach described Pearce as a friend. Pearce has been a controversial figure in Arizona politics.
In 2006, Pearce sent an e-mail to supporters in which he copied an article from a white separatist group.

229 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:47:22pm

re: #223 Racer X

I heard on the radio today that 23% of all incarcerated inmates in the U.S. are illegal aliens. Much higher % in CA, AZ, Texas - so there is a huge financial strain directly caused by the failure of the Federal Government to properly regulate and control new potential citizens.

SHOCKA!
///not.

230 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:48:08pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Drudge Headline: HISPANICS PLAN RALLIES IN 70 CITIES

Oppression! Tea Party! Konstitution!
/lol

MEXICAN OLIGHARY!!!11

/Glenn Beck

231 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:48:36pm

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

Isn’t the idea of checking IDs supposed to get the illegals to leave?

The whole answer to this is simple, we need to have open borders just like the various countries of the EU have.

232 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:49:11pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

MEXICAN OLIGHARY!!!11

/Glenn Beck


/I keep hearing people yelling about “THE BROWNIES ARE COMING” frankly I’m more of a muffin man, but still I can’t wait till they get here….

233 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:49:29pm

re: #146 Floral Giraffe

BUY THE COOKBOOK.
You will enjoy it immensely.
And, it makes a great gift!

Jaunte’s art alone, is worth the price!

And there’s a poem by me on the back cover, as a bonus!

234 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:49:45pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

I would like to point out, tactfully, that California also shares a border with Mexico.

I would like to point out, tactfully, that that was my point. California has serious problems with illegal immigrants that are costing the state tons of money (in addition to societal costs), yet they are worried about Arizona. I think their (at least the leadership’s) priorities are unfocused (to put it mildly).

235 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:49:53pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

The whole answer to this is simple, we need to have open borders just like the various countries of the EU have.

I agree with you.

236 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:50:06pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

How would an open border be to the country’s benefit?

237 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:50:26pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

The whole answer to this is simple, we need to have open borders just like the various countries of the EU have.

Switzerland has open borders?

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:50:41pm

re: #233 Cato the Elder

I’m buying it, but PLEASE TELL ME THE FUCKING POEM IS IN ENGLISH!

239 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:50:47pm

re: #222 Floral Giraffe

Um, no, THANK YOU, we have our own problems, and don’t need Arizona’s too!

Just addressed that! :)

240 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:50:51pm

re: #236 Floral Giraffe

How would an open border be to the country’s benefit?

We’d stop spending money trying to police people whose only crime is coming here “illegally” and that saved money would help us pay down the national debt.

241 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:50:54pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

The whole answer to this is simple, we need to have open borders just like the various countries of the EU have.

You devil you.

242 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:51:13pm

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hopefully this poem does nothing more than rhyme and scan.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:51:39pm

re: #236 Floral Giraffe

How would an open border be to the country’s benefit?

If the country sucks, an open border to get some of the folks out would be flippin’ fantastic!

244 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:51:50pm

re: #226 Floral Giraffe

Congratulations.
I like being retired “too young” and hope you do too!

Oh, yes.
I can’t figure out how it was I ever had time to go to work.

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:51:56pm

re: #221 Spare O’Lake

Who says the only problem is stopping the drug cartels and the criminals? That may be the straw which has finally broken the camel’s back, but the porous border and the ongoing influx of vast numbers of additional honest new illegals seeking employment is the underlying problem which needs to be addressed.

Forgive me if I misunderstood the handwringing about the out of control violence that had Arizonans afeared for their very lives which has come up repeatedly over the past few days.

As far as the noncriminal illegal influx is concerned, I remain deeply dubious that the law will show good results. I doubt any police force has the authority to spread out across the land arresting illegal aliens, and they don’t have the means to process them back across the border without ICE’s support. Arizona police departments are not going to be able to give this the kind of manpower that would be needed to make even a dent in the incomers. If the bulked-up Federal border agents haven’t been able to solve the problem to Arizona’s satisfaction, a few extra collars by Officer Juan sure won’t.

246 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:51:56pm

re: #236 Floral Giraffe

How would an open border be to the country’s benefit?

What James said… re: #240 jamesfirecat

247 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:52:37pm

re: #233 Cato the Elder

And there’s a poem by me on the back cover, as a bonus!

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Buy the cookbook
Or Cato will get you?

It was impromptu.
I could work on it, and admit it need work.
But, it’s not bad for “off the top of my head”!

I am CERTAIN that your back cover poem, alone, is worth the price of the book! (How’s that for some shameless sucking up?)

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:52:45pm

re: #242 EmmmieG

Hopefully this poem does nothing more than rhyme and scan.

A poem in BARCODE? HELL THAT’S WORSE THAN LATIN!

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:52:48pm

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

Isn’t the idea of checking IDs supposed to get the illegals to leave?

If that’s the idea, this is even stupider than I had previously thought.

250 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:53:02pm

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Facepalm.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:53:27pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

The whole answer to this is simple, we need to have open borders just like the various countries of the EU have.

It would immediately solve the illegal immigration problem, you must admit.

/

252 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:54:00pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

It would immediately solve the illegal immigration problem, you must admit.

/

Ok… I suspect you were kidding… I’m not.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:54:02pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Drudge Headline: HISPANICS PLAN RALLIES IN 70 CITIES

Oppression! Tea Party! Konstitution!
/lol

I hope they keep the swastikas to a minimum this time.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:54:14pm

re: #234 Unakite

I would like to point out, tactfully, that that was my point. California has serious problems with illegal immigrants that are costing the state tons of money (in addition to societal costs), yet they are worried about Arizona. I think their (at least the leadership’s) priorities are unfocused (to put it mildly).

Yeah. The whole state has stopped working and is doing nothing but worrying about Arizona.

(Not really.)

255 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:54:21pm

re: #246 Walter L. Newton

What James said… re: #240 jamesfirecat

Holy crap first I agree with Walter and then Walter agrees with me, I’m sure somebody’s head somewhere just exploded in fact in a few moments I may join them…..

256 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:54:47pm

re: #255 jamesfirecat

Holy crap first I agree with Walter and then Walter agrees with me, I’m sure somebody’s head somewhere just exploded in fact in a few moments I may join them…

Stick around… I’m not finished.

257 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:55:07pm

re: #240 jamesfirecat

We’d stop spending money trying to police people whose only crime is coming here “illegally” and that saved money would help us pay down the national debt.

We don’t do that now.
“We” in Los Angeles don’t ask a person’s immigration status.
That does nothing, here. We don’t “deport” convicted illegals either, we pay for their incarceration in the US, and at US standards.

258 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:55:12pm

re: #242 EmmmieG

Hopefully this poem does nothing more than rhyme and scan.

It’s in seekrit code.

Any troll reading it will be blinded for a week.

259 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:56:17pm

re: #255 jamesfirecat

Holy crap first I agree with Walter and then Walter agrees with me, I’m sure somebody’s head somewhere just exploded in fact in a few moments I may join them…

Weird things happen at LGF.
I once found myself compelled to UPDING CORDELL.
Really odd.

260 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:56:29pm

re: #257 Floral Giraffe

We don’t do that now.
“We” in Los Angeles don’t ask a person’s immigration status.
That does nothing, here. We don’t “deport” convicted illegals either, we pay for their incarceration in the US, and at US standards.

How much money do we spend policing the border? (I don’t know so I’m asking)

261 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:56:42pm

re: #252 Walter L. Newton

Ok… I suspect you were kidding… I’m not.

Why have borders at all? All us humans can roam the Earth with no borders to cross. No countries would mean no wars. Sounds like a John Lennon song!

262 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:57:27pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

We’d just have to negotiate the universal taxation system first.

263 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:57:48pm

Oh, hell’s bells!

If one more animal throws up in my house tonight, I’m gonna pull my hair out.

bbl.

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:58:00pm

Wouldn’t that be funny? We might be able to take over the planet Mars with a half a cup of Clorox.

A special mission to the Red Planet has revealed the likely presence of a form of pond scum - the building blocks of life as we know it.

265 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:58:17pm

re: #259 reine.de.tout

Weird things happen at LGF.
I once found myself compelled to UPDING CORDELL.
Really odd.

I updinged LVQ three times in a thread once. It was an out of body experience.

266 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:58:23pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

The whole answer to this is simple, we need to have open borders just like the various countries of the EU have.

Yes. Like our neighbor to the South:

1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language

2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed.

3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no
special ballots for elections, all government business will be
conducted in our language.

4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

Harsh, you say? The above laws belong to the immigration laws of MEXICO!

267 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:58:53pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

Why have borders at all? All us humans can roam the Earth with no borders to cross. No countries would mean no wars. Sounds like a John Lennon song!

Let’s see… First off… I never spoke for other countries, so you put those words in my mouth… secondly, I never addressed war or peace, second set of words you put in my mouth… and thirdly… I don’t like John Lennon.

Now, if you want to address this with me, address what I said, not what you perceived I said.

268 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:58:57pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. The whole state has stopped working and is doing nothing but worrying about Arizona.

(Not really.)

I know the whole state hasn’t stopped working, but it is a big problem. My point, for some that may have missed the story, was that even with their problems the city of San Francisco is boycotting travel to Arizona. It’s just stupid. They should worry about their own problems and not what’s going on somewhere else.

269 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:00:31pm

re: #260 jamesfirecat

It’s not the policing the border costs that are the issue, it’s that we CAN’T police the whole border. Police aren’t allowed onto Federal Lands, and, we don’t have a “defensible” border. Meaning, no fences or electronics, to drive the known illegal traffic into more manageable locations. It could be done, but we as a country, have not shown the will to do it.

En Wikipedia for you.
en.wikipedia.org

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:00:36pm

re: #259 reine.de.tout

I’ve up-dinged him quite a few times.

Honestly, I don’t down-ding much… But, I’m an equal opportunity dinger. Say something well, or something that I think is smart (or clever, even if I disagree).

Ding!

271 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:00:58pm

re: #266 Racer X

es. Like our neighbor to the South

No… I was talking about our borders, wasn’t I? Did I mention anything about us migrating to Mexico… answer is no… so, what the fuck does your comment have to do with us opening our borders to anyone who wants to come in?

You want to address what I was talking about and not some make believe.

272 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:01:04pm

re: #268 Unakite

I know the whole state hasn’t stopped working, but it is a big problem. My point, for some that may have missed the story, was that even with their problems the city of San Francisco is boycotting travel to Arizona. It’s just stupid. They should worry about their own problems and not what’s going on somewhere else.

Yes the United States was still going through the Great Depression in 1939 they did the right thing to focus on their own problems rather than worrying about what was going on in Europe….

273 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:01:41pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

Let’s see… First off… I never spoke for other countries, so you put those words in my mouth… secondly, I never addressed war or peace, second set of words you put in my mouth… and thirdly… I don’t like John Lennon.

Now, if you want to address this with me, address what I said, not what you perceived I said.

You are suggesting only the US should open their borders? Anyone could just walk in? How dangerous would that be? We have a hard enough time keeping track of the people already here.

I’m sorry, that a really bad idea dude.

274 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:01:59pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

Forgive me if I misunderstood the handwringing about the out of control violence that had Arizonans afeared for their very lives which has come up repeatedly over the past few days.

As far as the noncriminal illegal influx is concerned, I remain deeply dubious that the law will show good results. I doubt any police force has the authority to spread out across the land arresting illegal aliens, and they don’t have the means to process them back across the border without ICE’s support. Arizona police departments are not going to be able to give this the kind of manpower that would be needed to make even a dent in the incomers. If the bulked-up Federal border agents haven’t been able to solve the problem to Arizona’s satisfaction, a few extra collars by Officer Juan sure won’t.

Forgive me for sticking in my two cents worth, but as an outsider looking in it just seems insane to me that a great country like the USA could try to carry on indefinitely with such a porous border and so many illegals. It just boggles my mind that so many Americans simply do not seem to care about the corrosive and perverting effect of the endless flood of illegal immigrants who continue to make a joke of the entire immigration system of flouted laws and regulations.

275 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:02:35pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

You are suggesting only the US should open their borders? Anyone could just walk in? How dangerous would that be? We have a hard enough time keeping track of the people already here.

I’m sorry, that a really bad idea dude.

Dude “how dangerous would that be” explain to us why it is dangerous rather than just “you think it would be dangerous”….

276 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:02:53pm

re: #259 reine.de.tout

Weird things happen at LGF.
I once found myself compelled to UPDING CORDELL.
Really odd.

I’ve updinged SpaceJesus once. Must have been drunk.
///

277 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:03:35pm

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

No… I was talking about our borders, wasn’t I? Did I mention anything about us migrating to Mexico… answer is no… so, what the fuck does your comment have to do with us opening our borders to anyone who wants to come in?

You want to address what I was talking about and not some make believe.

OK then.

You want America to completely open up all of our borders - wide open - really?

278 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:03:53pm

re: #274 Spare O’Lake

Forgive me for sticking in my two cents worth, but as an outsider looking in it just seems insane to me that a great country like the USA could try to carry on indefinitely with such a porous border and so many illegals. It just boggles my mind that so many Americans simply do not seem to care about the corrosive and perverting effect of the endless flood of illegal immigrants who continue to make a joke of the entire immigration system of flouted laws and regulations.

Well, we have let them do it, with our knowledge for over 20 years. It’s not that shocking that they should come to expect us to ignore it.

279 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:06pm

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

No… I was talking about our borders, wasn’t I? Did I mention anything about us migrating to Mexico… answer is no… so, what the fuck does your comment have to do with us opening our borders to anyone who wants to come in?

You want to address what I was talking about and not some make believe.

Opening our borders is a very bad idea. We need less low-skill immigrants, not more.

280 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:13pm

re: #275 jamesfirecat

Dude “how dangerous would that be” explain to us why it is dangerous rather than just “you think it would be dangerous”…

Terrorists, gangs, drug cartels, etc…would just walk in and you don’t see a problem with that?

281 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:26pm

re: #275 jamesfirecat

Dude “how dangerous would that be” explain to us why it is dangerous rather than just “you think it would be dangerous”…

Osama bin Laden could walk right in.

282 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:39pm

re: #276 Unakite

I’ve updinged SpaceJesus once. Must have been drunk.
///

You, or him!?

283 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:44pm

re: #276 Unakite

I’ve updinged SpaceJesus once. Must have been drunk.
///

I updinged idioma.

/there, I said it.

284 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:45pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

You are suggesting only the US should open their borders? Anyone could just walk in? How dangerous would that be? We have a hard enough time keeping track of the people already here.

I’m sorry, that a really bad idea dude.

No it’s not. Our borders are already open, do you know how easy it is to get into this country from Mexico or Canada? The only difference is we play-act at making believe that we are policing anything, and spend a lot of time and money at it, with out accomplishing anything. If the border was a business, it would have been out of business a long time ago, because there is almost no real enforcement of even our existing laws.

So, until you can show me that the country is actually using our taxpayers money to accomplish border security, I want them to stop spending my money.

You are in La-la land if you really think we have a secure border right now.

You can’t be serious?

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:05:23pm

re: #268 Unakite

I know the whole state hasn’t stopped working, but it is a big problem. My point, for some that may have missed the story, was that even with their problems the city of San Francisco is boycotting travel to Arizona. It’s just stupid. They should worry about their own problems and not what’s going on somewhere else.

No, it’s not a big problem. It’s political grandstanding.

Now, my annoyance here is that I grew up in California, I’m originally from East LA, I’ve worked as a teacher with the children of illegal immigrants, and my dad and a lot of cousins are in law enforcement. I have some strong opinions about how this will work, or rather won’t. I am open to hearing rational, reasoned explanations of why it will work, but I’m not hearing much of that.

And I am sick of hearing about how the people of Arizona did this out of desperation—the Feds ‘forced their hand’, but when I discuss my knowledge of the situation, coming out of California, getting brushed off with references to San Francisco City Hall, or ‘sanctuary cities’, hee hee.

No one on this board has ever had any trouble bitching and moaning about California’s immigration policy, or anything else about California for that matter, so I’m not planning to shut up and say that this is just what Arizona’s gotta do, and no outsider has any business criticizing it.

This is not an attack on you. This is me building up a head of steam.

286 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:05:24pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

Why have borders at all? All us humans can roam the Earth with no borders to cross. No countries would mean no wars. Sounds like a John Lennon song!

Unfortunately, no countries and open borders mean lots of wars. Until countries and borders are reestablished. (Imagine there’s no people…the only way to stop war).

287 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:05:25pm

re: #277 Racer X

OK then.

You want America to completely open up all of our borders - wide open - really?

No it’s not. Our borders are already open, do you know how easy it is to get into this country from Mexico or Canada? The only difference is we play-act at making believe that we are policing anything, and spend a lot of time and money at it, with out accomplishing anything. If the border was a business, it would have been out of business a long time ago, because there is almost no real enforcement of even our existing laws.

So, until you can show me that the country is actually using our taxpayers money to accomplish border security, I want them to stop spending my money.

You are in La-la land if you really think we have a secure border right now.

You can’t be serious?

288 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:06:02pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

Opening our borders is a very bad idea. We need less low-skill immigrants, not more.

I don’t mind the immigrant workers at all - I wish there was a legal process for them. It is the illegal criminals and gangs and terrorists that I dislike. How do we weed them out of the good people?

289 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:06:19pm

re: #283 laZardo

I updinged idioma.

/there, I said it.

You, too!
It was almost painful!

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:06:25pm

re: #274 Spare O’Lake

Forgive me for sticking in my two cents worth, but as an outsider looking in it just seems insane to me that a great country like the USA could try to carry on indefinitely with such a porous border and so many illegals. It just boggles my mind that so many Americans simply do not seem to care about the corrosive and perverting effect of the endless flood of illegal immigrants who continue to make a joke of the entire immigration system of flouted laws and regulations.

In other words, you won’t address my specific concerns about this specific bill, but you just feel like someone’s gotta do something?

291 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:06:33pm

re: #283 laZardo

I updinged idioma.

/there, I said it.

So did I. Then he made a truly hateful statement about grave markers and Charles banned his ass.

292 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:06:56pm

re: #277 Racer X

OK then.

You want America to completely open up all of our borders - wide open - really?

I crossed the border last week, waiting in line at the Sarnia/Port Huron bridge. The BP was totally pulling over cars (mostly Canadian) for “random checks.”

Can’t let too many of those split headed Canucks in our country!

293 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:07:04pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

I’ve been to Mexico. The border is not wide open.

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:07:16pm

re: #288 Racer X

I don’t mind the immigrant workers at all - I wish there was a legal process for them. It is the illegal criminals and gangs and terrorists that I dislike. How do we weed them out of the good people?

Dig it. I love lettuce, tomatoes, onions, fruit.

But I’ll starve before I plant, weed, pick or dig it.

295 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:07:40pm

Updinging some people for reasonable comments is like rewarding a puppy for piddling on the rug. It really is a good idea.

296 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:07:48pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

So did I. Then he made a truly hateful statement about grave markers and Charles banned his ass.

I updinged and greenhearted idioma’s last post about faith mixed with science being dangerous.

/there, I definitely said it.

297 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:07:49pm

re: #295 EmmmieG

NOT piddling on the rug. Sorry.

298 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:08:06pm

re: #281 Racer X

Osama bin Laden could walk right in.

And then we’d be able to scope him up for all the other crimes that he’s actually committed instead of having to look for him halfway across the globe, win, win!

299 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:08:10pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

Opening our borders is a very bad idea. We need less low-skill immigrants, not more.

We have some of the most worthless low skill labor already, Americans who have no idea what it is to actually work, I mean work with an attitude of being grateful for having a job, I mean work with the knowledge that you are accomplishing something.

We already have all we need of that sort of labor. Most of the Hispanics I have ever seen working illegally in this country are a hundred times better workers than most low-skilled Americans.

You must live in a very white bread area.

300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:08:15pm

re: #297 EmmmieG

NOT piddling on the rug. Sorry.

I was all, “WTF?”

301 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:08:50pm

re: #298 jamesfirecat

And then we’d be able to scope him up for all the other crimes that he’s actually committed instead of having to look for him halfway across the globe, win, win!

You and your tricksy logic.

302 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:08:58pm

re: #293 Racer X

I’ve been to Mexico. The border is not wide open.

Then why did Arizona feel some need to pass such a draconian law?

303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:09:00pm

re: #294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well? That’s the truth.

304 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:09:15pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

DOJ considers suing Arizona to block immigration bill.
washingtonpost.com

SNIP
Officials in the Obama administration are urging the extraordinary step of suing Arizona over its new immigration law, and the Justice Department is considering such an action to block the legislation from taking effect, government officials said Wednesday.

305 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:09:26pm

re: #299 Walter L. Newton

We have some of the most worthless low skill labor already, Americans who have no idea what it is to actually work, I mean work with an attitude of being grateful for having a job, I mean work with the knowledge that you are accomplishing something.

We already have all we need of that sort of labor. Most of the Hispanics I have ever seen working illegally in this country are a hundred times better workers than most low-skilled Americans.

You must live in a very white bread area.

I agree with most of your comment.

306 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:09:36pm

re: #272 jamesfirecat

Yes the United States was still going through the Great Depression in 1939 they did the right thing to focus on their own problems rather than worrying about what was going on in Europe…

Nice segue, but completely irrelevant.

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:09:39pm

re: #300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. I don’t type “valley girl” very well.

308 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:10:23pm

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

Then why did Arizona feel some need to pass such a draconian law?

I’m thinking there was something preventing them from enforcing Federal law, so they felt they had to push the issue.

309 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:10:30pm

re: #307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. I don’t type “valley girl” very well.

So… that’s what yo young folks are calling it now-a-days… typing.

310 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:11:30pm

re: #307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. I don’t type “valley girl” very well.

That’s, like, ok.

311 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:11:38pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

You, or him!?

Heh!! If he made sense, must have been him. But since I don’t know, must have been me!

312 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:11:40pm

re: #308 Racer X

I’m thinking there was something preventing them from enforcing Federal law, so they felt they had to push the issue.

But you said the borders are not wide open, so what Federal law was not being enforced? You can’t have it both ways.

313 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:11:49pm

re: #301 Racer X

You and your tricksy logic.

Yeah and we all know its always gonna be working for me because logic has a liberal bias!

314 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:12:08pm

re: #304 Floral Giraffe

DOJ considers suing Arizona to block immigration bill.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

SNIP
Officials in the Obama administration are urging the extraordinary step of suing Arizona over its new immigration law, and the Justice Department is considering such an action to block the legislation from taking effect, government officials said Wednesday.

I’m thinking Arizona should be able to pass laws on their own. If the citizens of AZ don’t like it they will vote in change. I love democracy.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:12:11pm

re: #301 Racer X

You and your tricksy logic.

Osama shouldn’t be hard to spot. He’s six-foot-four and toting a dialysis machine.

316 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:12:20pm

re: #310 laZardo

That’s, like, ok.

Fer sure!
Totally, dude!

317 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:12:33pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Don’t forget shack-nasty ugly.

318 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:12:39pm

re: #313 jamesfirecat

Yeah and we all know its always gonna be working for me because logic has a liberal bias!

Logic is not even in a liberal vocabulary.

319 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:12:48pm

re: #313 jamesfirecat

Yeah and we all know its always gonna be working for me because logic has a liberal bias!

You keep telling yourself that.

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:06pm

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

But you said the borders are not wide open, so what Federal law was not being enforced? You can’t have it both ways.

The borders are porous. Not wide open, not locked tight.

321 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:06pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Osama shouldn’t be hard to spot. He’s six-foot-four and toting a dialysis machine.

And he’s like all totally dead and stuff.

322 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:08pm

re: #308 Racer X

I’m thinking there was something preventing them from enforcing Federal law, so they felt they had to push the issue.

If their intention was to get the illegals to leave, it’s already showing signs of working…

Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

PHOENIX (AP) — Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.

Arizona’s sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won’t take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state’s underground economy.

“Nobody wants to pick us up,” Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.

Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.

Supporters of the law hope it creates jobs for thousands of Americans.

323 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:08pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Osama shouldn’t be hard to spot. He’s six-foot-four and toting a dialysis machine.

He’s dead, Jim.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:26pm

re: #309 Walter L. Newton

Not as good as “polishing the turquoise”, I must say.

325 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:31pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Osama shouldn’t be hard to spot. He’s six-foot-four and toting a dialysis machine.

He’s NOT!
He’s under a rock pile that used to be a cave.
And he’s NOT moving.
Hasn’t been for a long time.
BUT, we’ll never prove it.

326 laZardo  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:33pm

And with this debate degenerating into debauchery, it is time for me to take my lunch break. Cheers. O:

327 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:36pm

re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist

The borders are porous. Not wide open, not locked tight.

That’s what I said up thread… we already have open borders.

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:45pm

re: #317 EmmmieG

Don’t forget shack-nasty ugly.

You know, it’s hard for me to judge, because he looks eerily like one of my uncles…

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:47pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Osama shouldn’t be hard to spot. He’s six-foot-four and toting a dialysis machine.

and a flippin’ coffin…

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:14:21pm

re: #321 Alouette

And he’s like all totally dead and stuff.

Well, that too. If he comes walking across the border, that will be decidedly creepy.

Or a Dia De Los Muertos float gone awry.

331 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:14:22pm

re: #323 Racer X

So…we’re looking for an ugly 6’4” corpse attached to a dialysis machine with a red tunic on. Check.

Then we can put him on display like Lenin, and everyone can go by and spit on him.

(I’m not normally this way, just for him.)

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:14:23pm

re: #325 Floral Giraffe

He is a former ass-hole!

333 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:14:53pm

re: #299 Walter L. Newton

We have some of the most worthless low skill labor already, Americans who have no idea what it is to actually work, I mean work with an attitude of being grateful for having a job, I mean work with the knowledge that you are accomplishing something.

We already have all we need of that sort of labor. Most of the Hispanics I have ever seen working illegally in this country are a hundred times better workers than most low-skilled Americans.

You must live in a very white bread area.

I do not. I wasn’t being nasty Walter, and I always treat you with respect. Please don’t jump on me like that.

334 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:14:54pm

re: #306 Unakite

Nice segue, but completely irrelevant.

Is it not a reasonable thing to argue that sometimes you do have to look out for other people’s problems even if you have your own to worry about?

335 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:15:09pm

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

That’s what I said up thread… we already have open borders.

Try driving down into Mexico and back. Then tell me how porous the borders are.

336 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:15:23pm

re: #322 NJDhockeyfan

“Supporters of the law hope it creates jobs for thousands of Americans.”

That’s a bunch of bullshit… there aren’t thousands of Americans that have the skills to do what most of the Hispanic day laborers have.

337 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:15:23pm

re: #330 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that too. If he comes walking across the border, that will be decidedly creepy.

Or a Dia De Los Muertos float gone awry.

Al Qaeda zombie attack!

That would suck.

338 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:15:29pm

re: #325 Floral Giraffe

He’s NOT!
He’s under a rock pile that used to be a cave.
And he’s NOT moving.
Hasn’t been for a long time.
BUT, we’ll never prove it.

I want the body. As far as I’m concerned, he’s still alive until we get the bones.

339 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:16:27pm

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

That’s a bunch of bullshit… there aren’t thousands of Americans that have the skills to do what most of the Hispanic day laborers have.

Agreed.

We need the Mexican workers.

340 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:16:37pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Osama shouldn’t be hard to spot. He’s six-foot-four and toting a dialysis machine.

Look for somebody attached to their luggage!

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:16:39pm

re: #331 EmmmieG

So…we’re looking for an ugly 6’4” corpse attached to a dialysis machine with a red tunic on. Check.

Then we can put him on display like Lenin, and everyone can go by and spit on him.

(I’m not normally this way, just for him.)

Bury him beneath the steps of the Capitol.

342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:17:09pm

re: #337 Alouette

I made a really funny joke for you today. I think you missed it thought.

I don’t remember it. But, I guess we’ll never know.

G’NIGHT KNUCKLEHEADS!

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:17:14pm

re: #335 Racer X

Try driving down into Mexico and back. Then tell me how porous the borders are.

Pay a coyote six thousand bucks, and they can be more porous.

344 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:17:17pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

Like that.

345 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:17:54pm

re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

I want the body. As far as I’m concerned, he’s still alive until we get the bones.

There is somebody else who is not dead that should be hunted down and made dead. Very slowly. This is the guy who controlled the Mumbai killers by cell phone.

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:18:00pm

re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“though”.

Damn.

347 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:18:02pm

re: #335 Racer X

Try driving down into Mexico and back. Then tell me how porous the borders are.

I’ve done it. Steve is right, some of you folks in Lizard land have no idea about the borders… especially in the rural areas of the states laying on the border. You all must think that it’s like in the movies, those fancy border crossings…

You all need to get out into the thousands of miles of real county, real rural country… the desert… the small towns… honestly… get real.

348 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:18:07pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

Pay a coyote six thousand bucks, and they can be more porous.

Boy that sounds like a wonderful vacation!

349 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:18:08pm

re: #322 NJDhockeyfan

The question is, will Americans stoop to do those jobs even in this economy?

350 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:18:32pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

Pay a coyote six thousand bucks, and they can be more porous.

No thanks. I’d rather pay to have him incarcerated,

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:18:54pm

re: #339 Racer X

Agreed.

We need the Mexican workers.

But Arizona is working to get rid of theirs.

352 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:19:09pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

No thanks. I’d rather pay to have him incarceratedinerated,

ftfy

353 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:20:25pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

But Arizona is working to get rid of theirs.

Yep. Dumb move. I give it about 6 months before the business leaders and farmers start begging the politicians to back off.

354 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:20:37pm

re: #321 Alouette

And he’s like all totally dead and stuff.

Time to pull out that reverse hex?

355 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:20:43pm

re: #348 Racer X

Boy that sounds like a wonderful vacation!

I’ve talked to people who have done it, and they do not recommend it, except as a means to an end.

But…oh hell, now you’ve got me imagining a sort of border crossing tourism package…DAMNIT!!!

356 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:21:42pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

Pay a coyote six thousand bucks, and they can be more porous.

I tired to pay a coyote once but he wouldn’t accept money only dead road runners….

357 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:22:00pm

I don’t know how, or am too lazy, take your pick! TO find a link I posted in the last 2-3 days. It was about an Arizona Grocery store chain that the Feds had sued & made them fire 300/1500 workers. Because of their illegal immigration status. They had a lot of legals show up to interview for the jobs. So, IMHO, the “meme” that Americans won’t do the jobs that illegals are doing is PURE BS. Now, Americans want a fair wage, humane conditions, and some basic rights, that many of the illegals are denied. But, that’s another story.

358 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:22:26pm

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

No, it’s not a big problem. It’s political grandstanding.

Now, my annoyance here is that I grew up in California, I’m originally from East LA, I’ve worked as a teacher with the children of illegal immigrants, and my dad and a lot of cousins are in law enforcement. I have some strong opinions about how this will work, or rather won’t. I am open to hearing rational, reasoned explanations of why it will work, but I’m not hearing much of that.

And I am sick of hearing about how the people of Arizona did this out of desperation—the Feds ‘forced their hand’, but when I discuss my knowledge of the situation, coming out of California, getting brushed off with references to San Francisco City Hall, or ‘sanctuary cities’, hee hee.

No one on this board has ever had any trouble bitching and moaning about California’s immigration policy, or anything else about California for that matter, so I’m not planning to shut up and say that this is just what Arizona’s gotta do, and no outsider has any business criticizing it.

This is not an attack on you. This is me building up a head of steam.

Thanks for the response and I don’t take it as an attack on me. Seriously, since I don’t live in Arizona or California I have to make judgments on what I read in the newspaper (not just the cable TV), and what I see in other states, including my own, that have illegal immigrant problems even though we don’t live near the border. However, I agree that California (and whenever things like this come up, it is in reference to the government, not the people) has decided what it’s immigration policy should be, but it’s not their place to tell Arizona what their immigration policy should be.

359 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:22:30pm

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

That’s a bunch of bullshit… there aren’t thousands of Americans that have the skills to do what most of the Hispanic day laborers have.

They are doing jobs Americans won’t do, right?

After Immigration Raid, Locals Line Up For Jobs

Job seekers have been lining up at the Howard Industries electronics plant in Laurel, Miss., where federal agents on Monday arrested 595 suspected illegal immigrants. The workers came from several Central and South American nations — the list includes Brazil, El Salvador, Mexico and Peru — as well as Germany.

The local paper, the Laurel Leader-Call, has pulled several threads from the developing story.

Employees inside the plant say Immigration and Customs Enforcement was tipped off after friction between the union and immigrant workers. Union workers told the paper that immigrants sometimes got as much as 40 hours a week in overtime. Immigrants, meanwhile, reported the union pressured them into joining by saying that a raid was coming and that union members wouldn’t be taken.

Howard posted a sign last week, before the raid, saying it would be hiring. As news of the raid spread, local people began applying. With unemployment in the county at 6.5 percent — lower than the statewide rate of 8.5 percent — one economist told the Leader-Call the region has something of a labor shortage.

“That leaves businesses with a serious problem,” said William Gunther, a professor at the nearby University of Southern Mississippi. “That doesn’t justify, but it certainly explains why they might be hiring individuals who show up and say, ‘I’ll work for you.’ “

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:22:36pm

re: #353 Racer X

Yep. Dumb move. I give it about 6 months before the business leaders and farmers start begging the politicians to back off.

Doubt it, actually. They’ll profit from the fear, and as I’ve said until I’m blue in the face, I don’t see this being real effective.

361 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:22:38pm

re: #345 Alouette

There is somebody else who is not dead that should be hunted down and made dead. Very slowly. This is the guy who controlled the Mumbai killers by cell phone.

After you mentioned it last night, I went to PBS and found that show online and watched it. Riveting. I wasn’t planning on watching the whole thing, but I couldn’t stop.

362 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:23:03pm

re: #274 Spare O’Lake

Forgive me for sticking in my two cents worth, but as an outsider looking in it just seems insane to me that a great country like the USA could try to carry on indefinitely with such a porous border and so many illegals. It just boggles my mind that so many Americans simply do not seem to care about the corrosive and perverting effect of the endless flood of illegal immigrants who continue to make a joke of the entire immigration system of flouted laws and regulations.

That’s what you get when you open up a country that was already inhabited, steal the aboriginal’s land, and put up a big sign in New York harbor saying “open for business”.

Immigrants.

363 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:23:04pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve talked to people who have done it, and they do not recommend it, except as a means to an end.

But…oh hell, now you’ve got me imagining a sort of border crossing tourism package…DAMNIT!!!

They already have that daily show did a bit on it, do you want me to find the clip?

364 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:23:30pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve talked to people who have done it, and they do not recommend it, except as a means to an end.

But…oh hell, now you’ve got me imagining a sort of border crossing tourism package…DAMNIT!!!

I’ve heard horror stories of what the women go through to cross through illegally. Something needs to be done - for security reasons and for business reasons. We cannot have a wide open border. We cannot continue to make these potential productive citizens feel second class. Their home country did that to them - it’s why they left. We are better than that.

365 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:23:46pm

re: #357 Floral Giraffe

I don’t know how, or am too lazy, take your pick! TO find a link I posted in the last 2-3 days. It was about an Arizona Grocery store chain that the Feds had sued & made them fire 300/1500 workers. Because of their illegal immigration status. They had a lot of legals show up to interview for the jobs. So, IMHO, the “meme” that Americans won’t do the jobs that illegals are doing is PURE BS. Now, Americans want a fair wage, humane conditions, and some basic rights, that many of the illegals are denied. But, that’s another story.

It will be interesting to see how that works out. If the grocery store was paying fair wages, and treating their staff OK, they’ll be fine. If they haven’t been, they may be in for a rocky landing.

366 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:24:19pm

re: #357 Floral Giraffe

I don’t know how, or am too lazy, take your pick! TO find a link I posted in the last 2-3 days. It was about an Arizona Grocery store chain that the Feds had sued & made them fire 300/1500 workers. Because of their illegal immigration status. They had a lot of legals show up to interview for the jobs. So, IMHO, the “meme” that Americans won’t do the jobs that illegals are doing is PURE BS. Now, Americans want a fair wage, humane conditions, and some basic rights, that many of the illegals are denied. But, that’s another story.

Yep.

This is why I wonder why the unions don’t jump in.

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:24:44pm

re: #358 Unakite

Thanks for the response and I don’t take it as an attack on me. Seriously, since I don’t live in Arizona or California I have to make judgments on what I read in the newspaper (not just the cable TV), and what I see in other states, including my own, that have illegal immigrant problems even though we don’t live near the border. However, I agree that California (and whenever things like this come up, it is in reference to the government, not the people) has decided what it’s immigration policy should be, but it’s not their place to tell Arizona what their immigration policy should be.

Fair enough, but I do think that the courts will have something to say on this one.

We’ll see how it goes.

368 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:25:19pm

re: #357 Floral Giraffe

I don’t know how, or am too lazy, take your pick! TO find a link I posted in the last 2-3 days. It was about an Arizona Grocery store chain that the Feds had sued & made them fire 300/1500 workers. Because of their illegal immigration status. They had a lot of legals show up to interview for the jobs. So, IMHO, the “meme” that Americans won’t do the jobs that illegals are doing is PURE BS. Now, Americans want a fair wage, humane conditions, and some basic rights, that many of the illegals are denied. But, that’s another story.

I recall your link.

And what you’ve said there make some sense - that Americans want a fair wage, humane conditions and some basic rights, and I think that’s true.

There are some businesses that are very interested in having that cheap illegal labor. And I’m convinced that those business interests have had some influence on our politicians which is one reason this border enforcement stuff hasn’t been dealt with by those who ought to be dealing with it.

369 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:25:39pm

re: #295 EmmmieG

Updinging some people for reasonable comments is like rewarding a puppy for piddling on the rug. It really is a good idea.

I’m not sure what this meant, but it made me spit out my drink!!

370 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:25:57pm

I thought I knew American history until I started watching the history channels “America, the story of us” i.e. I learned about Thanksgiving in school but did not know the settlers fought with a local tribe to wipe out another tribe in trade for peace and help with the planting.
The show goes into great detail, and is on the History channel.

371 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:26:24pm

re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist

Doubt it, actually. They’ll profit from the fear, and as I’ve said until I’m blue in the face, I don’t see this being real effective.

A few years ago Colorado contemplated an illegal raid campaign. The farmers politely pointed out how most of their crops would rot on the ground. The issue went away.

372 bratwurst  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:26:43pm

re: #237 EmmmieG

Switzerland has open borders?


Not in the EU.

373 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:27:00pm

re: #370 avanti

I thought I knew American history until I started watching the history channels “America, the story of us” i.e. I learned about Thanksgiving in school but did not know the settlers fought with a local tribe to wipe out another tribe in trade for peace and help with the planting.
The show goes into great detail, and is on the History channel.

I am recording that show on my DVR and plan on watching it with my daughters.

374 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:27:31pm

re: #370 avanti

I thought I knew American history until I started watching the history channels “America, the story of us” i.e. I learned about Thanksgiving in school but did not know the settlers fought with a local tribe to wipe out another tribe in trade for peace and help with the planting.
The show goes into great detail, and is on the History channel.

None of us belong here.

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:27:56pm

Ghah. Thank you, everyone, for indulging my general wrath about this. I have strong feelings about border management.

376 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:27:59pm

re: #370 avanti

I thought I knew American history until I started watching the history channels “America, the story of us” i.e. I learned about Thanksgiving in school but did not know the settlers fought with a local tribe to wipe out another tribe in trade for peace and help with the planting.
The show goes into great detail, and is on the History channel.

If I were a psycho, I would kidnap Glenn Beck, tie him to a chair with a gag in his mouth, and make him watch real history videos for a month.

Then dump him naked in the middle of Times Square.

377 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:28:30pm

re: #359 NJDhockeyfan

They are doing jobs Americans won’t do, right?

Now… this is the second time tonight you have put words into my mouth. I warned you to stop that up thread.

First off… I was talking about day laborers. If you have the ability to follow my comments back to the Lizard I was replying to, we were talking about day laborers.

You’re talking about mindless electronic assembly jobs. The Americans that were lined up to get those jobs after the illegals were arrested would be useless as day laborers.

Do you know what day laborers do. The strip off roofs, they landscape, they lay brick, they paint, they lay floor, they trim trees and so on. Yes, they are laborers, in the sense that the jobs they do require physical activity.

But the majority of those day laborer jobs also require skills that I assure you most Americans do not have.

So, it’s like trying to compare apples to oranges. But of course, you knew that, but you went ahead with your clip and paste rhetoric again.

378 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:28:50pm

re: #370 avanti

The Pequot War?

379 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:29:49pm

re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist

Ghah. Thank you, everyone, for indulging my general wrath about this. I have strong feelings about border management.

I think this is the real reason why AZ did it - to stoke the flames.

And to take the focus off of Goldman Sachs and all their former executives now working in cushy government jobs. /

380 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:30:09pm

re: #371 Racer X

A few years ago Colorado contemplated an illegal raid campaign. The farmers politely pointed out how most of their crops would rot on the ground. The issue went away.

I recall a raid on a Colorado factory a few years ago netting a few hundred illegal aliens. The following week they took applications and thousands showed up. The “they will do work Americans won’t do” mem is bullshit. If I had a choice between shoveling shit or starving I would shovel shit all day. Most people would.

381 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:32:27pm

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

I recall a raid on a Colorado factory a few years ago netting a few hundred illegal aliens. The following week they took applications and thousands showed up. The “they will do work Americans won’t do” mem is bullshit. If I had a choice between shoveling shit or starving I would shovel shit all day. Most people would.

Yes… that was in Greeley, and the “thousands” that showed up (it wasn’t near “thousands”) were primarily legal Hispanic-Americans. Greeley has a very large Hispanic community.

I live here, I know what happened.

382 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:32:36pm

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

Now… this is the second time tonight you have put words into my mouth. I warned you to stop that up thread.

First off… I was talking about day laborers. If you have the ability to follow my comments back to the Lizard I was replying to, we were talking about day laborers.

You’re talking about mindless electronic assembly jobs. The Americans that were lined up to get those jobs after the illegals were arrested would be useless as day laborers.

Do you know what day laborers do. The strip off roofs, they landscape, they lay brick, they paint, they lay floor, they trim trees and so on. Yes, they are laborers, in the sense that the jobs they do require physical activity.

But the majority of those day laborer jobs also require skills that I assure you most Americans do not have.

So, it’s like trying to compare apples to oranges. But of course, you knew that, but you went ahead with your clip and paste rhetoric again.

With millions of Americans unemployed and their benefits running out I bet you there would be no problem filling those positions currently held by illegal aliens.

383 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:33:09pm

C’mon, people, we have a country here that’s slightly smaller than Brazil, with a mere three hundred million in population.

Room for lots more.

384 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:33:35pm

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

I recall a raid on a Colorado factory a few years ago netting a few hundred illegal aliens. The following week they took applications and thousands showed up. The “they will do work Americans won’t do” mem is bullshit. If I had a choice between shoveling shit or starving I would shovel shit all day. Most people would.

Most Americans simply will not pick lettuce for $18 a day.

And most Americans would certainly not be willing to pay $14 for a bag of Arugula at the grocery store.

385 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:34:04pm

re: #368 reine.de.tout

Yes, off the top of my head, it’s the strawberry and tomato farmers, that have the worst working conditions in California. Imagine spending your day, bent over, harvesting strawberries.

386 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:34:14pm

re: #334 jamesfirecat

Is it not a reasonable thing to argue that sometimes you do have to look out for other people’s problems even if you have your own to worry about?

Still irrelevant, and doesn’t even make sense.

387 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:34:18pm

re: #382 NJDhockeyfan

With millions of Americans unemployed and their benefits running out I bet you there would be no problem filling those positions currently held by illegal aliens.

No there wouldn’t because those thousands of Americans are not skilled in that sort of work. You really think that stripping off a five layer roof and putting a new one one is UNSKILLED LABOR that can be done by anyone standing on a street corner?

You must be kidding?

388 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:34:41pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

Yes… that was in Greeley, and the “thousands” that showed up (it wasn’t near “thousands”) were primarily legal Hispanic-Americans. Greeley has a very large Hispanic community.

I live here, I know what happened.

That’s great. I have no problem with legal Americans getting jobs. I bet it could happen all over if we tried harder. Imagine how fast the unemployment numbers would fall.

389 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:34:50pm

re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist

Ghah. Thank you, everyone, for indulging my general wrath about this. I have strong feelings about border management.

Yes, many of us do.

390 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:35:41pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

Times Square got pretty cleaned up. The threat now, doesn’t mean what it would have, say, 10 years ago.

391 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:24pm

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

I am recording that show on my DVR and plan on watching it with my daughters.

Let me know if you like it, and if it seems accurate. I’ve already learned my history lessons came with some not unexpected sugar coating. I did not know for example that very early on, some Jamestown slaves became land owners for a bit.

392 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:25pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

In other words, you won’t address my specific concerns about this specific bill, but you just feel like someone’s gotta do something?

The feds have failed to control your border with Mexico for so long that it is now completely out of control. There are now two main viewpoints - one is the view that is willing to tolerate the status quo so long as the drug cartels and criminal gangs can somehow be dealt with; the other view is that the borders must once and for all finally be sufficiently secured to allow the existing illegals to be documented without millions more illegals pouring in to repeat the past folly as happenned after 1978.
The AZ law is indeed a desperation move by one state which aims to fill the vacuum left by the federal government’s abrogation of its responsibility to uphold the laws of the land. Sure it is a blunt edged instrument which raises legitimate concerns on behalf of all citizens and legal immigrants who percieve a threat to their civil rights. But for the majority of the people of Arizona, this law seems to carry risks which they are willing to take in order to give their own police the authority to try to deal with the problem.
If left isolated and on its own, Arizona will almost surely fail to solve the problem of dealing with its undocumented population, because for one thing it would need to secure not only the international border but also all the State lines as well. However, the desperate hope has to be that the other border States will follow suit and/or the feds will finally enforce the existing laws and secure the border.

393 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:28pm

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

I recall a raid on a Colorado factory a few years ago netting a few hundred illegal aliens. The following week they took applications and thousands showed up. The “they will do work Americans won’t do” mem is bullshit. If I had a choice between shoveling shit or starving I would shovel shit all day. Most people would.

Agreed. The reason “Americans won’t do” many of these jobs is that illegals have driven the wages of such jobs so low. Remove the illegals and the companies will have to pay increased wages. Though that does get passed on to the consumers. But I’m prepared to pay more (at least to some extent) to have products processed or made by Americans.

394 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:30pm

re: #384 Racer X

Most Americans simply will not pick lettuce for $18 a day.

And most Americans would certainly not be willing to pay $14 for a bag of Arugula at the grocery store.

Jaun! We are in a thicket
Because we like our food real cheep
Jaun! If he doesn’t pick it…
A grape costs more than a jeep!

(Cap steps to the tune of “One singular sensation”)

395 bratwurst  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:36pm

re: #367 SanFranciscoZionist

Fair enough, but I do think that the courts will have something to say on this one.

I am not a betting man, but I would wager heavily that they will. Shockingly, I actually agree with Karl Rove!

Karl Rove Speaks Out Against Arizona Immigration Law

396 shiplord kirel  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:37:14pm

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

That’s a bunch of bullshit… there aren’t thousands of Americans that have the skills to do what most of the Hispanic day laborers have.

How did you determine that, Walter? Same way you determined who I am likely to know and how they are likely to react to the word “redneck” earlier today: You pulled it out of your ass.

I’ve had it with your passive aggressive shtick, mister. I never did a goddamned thing to you, and you jump on me with these shit-stupid strawmen and proxy threats.

397 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:38:13pm

re: #394 jamesfirecat

Pero es “Juan.”

398 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:39:03pm

re: #392 Spare O’Lake

I agree, with a lot of the points that you make.
The Feds are in charge of the borders.
They have failed to keep the borders secure.
We, as a country have to fix this.
HOW we fix this, and what we do with the (underestimated) millions that are already in the country, are the questions.

399 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:39:11pm

re: #378 jaunte

The Pequot War?

Exactly, missed that one in school.

400 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:39:19pm

re: #388 NJDhockeyfan

That’s great. I have no problem with legal Americans getting jobs. I bet it could happen all over if we tried harder. Imagine how fast the unemployment numbers would fall.

Bullshit… Americans have forgotten how to work, work like their life depended on it. Work like their self-pride depended on it, work like they really know how grateful they should be to have a job.

I was married to an Hispanic for 15 years, and I have a really good read on the illegal community. The majority of them have a hundred times better work ethnics than most 24 year old just getting out of college.

401 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:40:12pm

re: #387 Walter L. Newton

No there wouldn’t because those thousands of Americans are not skilled in that sort of work. You really think that stripping off a five layer roof and putting a new one one is UNSKILLED LABOR that can be done by anyone standing on a street corner?

You must be kidding?

After the flood receded in New Orleans there were stories in the paper about local construction workers having their jobs replaced by illegals coming from Texas. I know a lot of people who would do that so they could pay the bills and provide for their family.

402 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:40:15pm

Overpopulation is not an issue in the USA.

403 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:40:16pm

re: #396 shiplord kirel

How did you determine that, Walter? Same way you determined who I am likely to know and how they are likely to react to the word “redneck” earlier today: You pulled it out of your ass.

I’ve had it with your passive aggressive shtick, mister. I never did a goddamned thing to you, and you jump on me with these shit-stupid strawmen and proxy threats.

Yawn.

404 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:41:07pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

If I were a psycho, I would kidnap Glenn Beck, tie him to a chair with a gag in his mouth, and make him watch real history videos for a month.

Then dump him naked in the middle of Times Square.

Is “gag” a noun or a verb?

405 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:41:19pm

And by the way, how many here on this board have ancestors who were fucking “legal” when they came to this country?

406 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:41:25pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit… Americans have forgotten how to work, work like their life depended on it. Work like their self-pride depended on it, work like they really know how grateful they should be to have a job.

I was married to an Hispanic for 15 years, and I have a really good read on the illegal community. The majority of them have a hundred times better work ethnics than most 24 year old just getting out of college.

Sounds like a bigoted stereotype if I have ever heard one.

407 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:41:34pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit… Americans have forgotten how to work, work like their life depended on it. Work like their self-pride depended on it, work like they really know how grateful they should be to have a job.

I was married to an Hispanic for 15 years, and I have a really good read on the illegal community. The majority of them have a hundred times better work ethnics than most 24 year old just getting out of college.

Um… don’t people usually get out of college at 21?

408 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:42:14pm

re: #407 jamesfirecat

Those are the ones with a good work ethic.

409 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:42:39pm

re: #390 Floral Giraffe

Times Square got pretty cleaned up. The threat now, doesn’t mean what it would have, say, 10 years ago.

No, the threat still has some bite: The whole world would see what a dough-boy he is and how small his dick is.

410 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:42:47pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

And by the way, how many here on this board have ancestors who were fucking “legal” when they came to this country?

I’m pretty sure mine were, on my mother’s side at least. They came from Scotland, “originally” sailed across the Atlantic right about the time of the civil war, sat the war out in Canada, and then moved into the US when the dust at cleared….

411 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:42:58pm

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

After the flood receded in New Orleans there were stories in the paper about local construction workers having their jobs replaced by illegals coming from Texas. I know a lot of people who would do that so they could pay the bills and provide for their family.

Illegals are ready & willing to work. A job, any job. It’s my experience, that they see the opportunity that the USA has, and want a better life for themselves, and for their children. Yes, there are some bad apples, but for my personal experience, all of the illegals WANT to work.

412 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:43:10pm

re: #396 shiplord kirel

How did you determine that, Walter? Same way you determined who I am likely to know and how they are likely to react to the word “redneck” earlier today: You pulled it out of your ass.

I’ve had it with your passive aggressive shtick, mister. I never did a goddamned thing to you, and you jump on me with these shit-stupid strawmen and proxy threats.

I’m sorry.

413 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:43:38pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit… Americans have forgotten how to work, work like their life depended on it. Work like their self-pride depended on it, work like they really know how grateful they should be to have a job.

I was married to an Hispanic for 15 years, and I have a really good read on the illegal community. The majority of them have a hundred times better work ethnics than most 24 year old just getting out of college.

Agreed.

414 Gus  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:43:45pm

Speaking of Greeley, Colorado and the ICE raids. Guess who took their place or that is took up the slack? Somalians.

Somali refugees take up new roots in Greeley

GREELEY — Somali refugees who flocked to jobs in U.S. slaughterhouses — including plants in Greeley and Fort Morgan — are moving beyond cutting floors to Main Street.

“We want to become Americans,” said Mohamed Egal, director of the Somali Aid self-help group in Greeley, where more than 700 Somalis live.

They’ve established shops offering imported items. An unmarked mosque in central Greeley offers a place for Muslim worship.

Informal “hawala” money-transfer services help reach relatives stranded in war-torn Somalia and refugee camps in neighboring Kenya. A former burrito restaurant now sells plates of rice, lamb and goat.

And community leaders say dozens more hopeful Somalis arrive each week in Greeley…

Yep. It wasn’t long before Malkin, Vdare, and the other associated wingnuts started bitching and moaning about the Somalians which includes the now infamous Labor Day holiday conspiracy which turned out to be false.

415 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:43:55pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

Mine were.
Dad’s were Ellis Island.
Mom’s were the Mayfair bunch.

416 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:44:03pm

re: #395 bratwurst

I am not a betting man, but I would wager heavily that they will. Shockingly, I actually agree with Karl Rove!

Karl Rove Speaks Out Against Arizona Immigration Law

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

417 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:44:20pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit… Americans have forgotten how to work, work like their life depended on it. Work like their self-pride depended on it, work like they really know how grateful they should be to have a job.

I was married to an Hispanic for 15 years, and I have a really good read on the illegal community. The majority of them have a hundred times better work ethnics than most 24 year old just getting out of college.

So what? I am married to a legal American and have a good read on the legal community. The majority of them are very hard workers and the unemployed ones would do anything to bring home money to care for their families.

418 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:44:25pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

And by the way, how many here on this board have ancestors who were fucking “legal” when they came to this country?

Well, mine waited in line.

419 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:44:55pm

Americans have an excellent work ethic.

stats.oecd.org

We’re consistently in the top ten of actual hours worked per worker.

420 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:44:56pm

re: #407 jamesfirecat

Um… don’t people usually get out of college at 21?

Not the fat lazy Americans.

421 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:45:46pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

And by the way, how many here on this board have ancestors who were fucking “legal” when they came to this country?

All my grandparents came over from Europe LEGALLY.

422 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:45:57pm

re: #408 jaunte

Those are the ones with a good work ethic.

Really? Because I’m spending a surprising portion of my second senior semester here and yet still am probably going to be getting my Bachelors before I turn 23. (Could have done it before I turned 22 if I had been born in the second half of the year)

423 andres  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:46:00pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

If I were a psycho, I would kidnap Glenn Beck, tie him to a chair with a gag in his mouth, and make him watch real history videos for a month.

Then dump him naked in the middle of Times Square.

That’s beyond cruel, Cato! Can you imagine the trauma it will cause to the nice people of New York seeing Beck naked?

424 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:46:09pm

re: #420 Racer X

Not the fat lazy Americans.

Hey! It’s not my fault they wouldn’t accept all my transfer credits!

425 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:47:07pm

re: #411 Floral Giraffe

Illegals are ready & willing to work. A job, any job. It’s my experience, that they see the opportunity that the USA has, and want a better life for themselves, and for their children. Yes, there are some bad apples, but for my personal experience, all of the illegals WANT to work.

That’s great. They should apply for citizenship or at the very least a working visa and get in line with the rest of the immigrants who want to come here.

426 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:47:13pm

re: #417 NJDhockeyfan

So what? I am married to a legal American and have a good read on the legal community. The majority of them are very hard workers and the unemployed ones would do anything to bring home money to care for their families.

Then how come they are not standing on the street corners with the other illegal day laborers? Interesting that all these phantom Americans who would do that work are never seen at the standard day laborer sites, the Home Depot parking lots, the day laborer agencies, going to job sites and asking for day work… that’s what the illegals do, every day, week after week, they hit the payment, looking for those jobs, day after day.

427 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:47:22pm

re: #422 jamesfirecat

(I really think it has more to do with how many grades you skip earlier).

428 avanti  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:47:32pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

And by the way, how many here on this board have ancestors who were fucking “legal” when they came to this country?

My mother and father were, but I found out recently that my father spent some time in jail for not being being willing to fight in WWI shortly after getting off the boat from Greece.

429 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:47:50pm

re: #419 Obdicut

Americans have an excellent work ethic.

[Link: stats.oecd.org…]

We’re consistently in the top ten of actual hours worked per worker.

AND we have the most liberal immigration laws on the books of any country in the world. We are not a nation of racists who hate brown people. No matter what anyone says.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:48:06pm

re: #392 Spare O’Lake

The feds have failed to control your border with Mexico for so long that it is now completely out of control. There are now two main viewpoints - one is the view that is willing to tolerate the status quo so long as the drug cartels and criminal gangs can somehow be dealt with; the other view is that the borders must once and for all finally be sufficiently secured to allow the existing illegals to be documented without millions more illegals pouring in to repeat the past folly as happenned after 1978.
The AZ law is indeed a desperation move by one state which aims to fill the vacuum left by the federal government’s abrogation of its responsibility to uphold the laws of the land. Sure it is a blunt edged instrument which raises legitimate concerns on behalf of all citizens and legal immigrants who percieve a threat to their civil rights. But for the majority of the people of Arizona, this law seems to carry risks which they are willing to take in order to give their own police the authority to try to deal with the problem.
If left isolated and on its own, Arizona will almost surely fail to solve the problem of dealing with its undocumented population, because for one thing it would need to secure not only the international border but also all the State lines as well. However, the desperate hope has to be that the other border States will follow suit and/or the feds will finally enforce the existing laws and secure the border.

I disagree with almost all of this, and I’ve explained why, extensively, over the past several days. Most of all I disagree with the characterization of Arizona as a desperate, besieged outpost.

I recall all of this same rhetoric being used to pass and then support Prop. 187. It was dishonest then, it’s dishonest now.

Eh.

431 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:48:27pm

re: #422 jamesfirecat

Really? Because I’m spending a surprising portion of my second senior semester here and yet still am probably going to be getting my Bachelors before I turn 23. (Could have done it before I turned 22 if I had been born in the second half of the year)

I mistype… gee, you can really spend a lot of time focused on the most dumb-assed things… oh look… a butterfly.

432 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:49:12pm

re: #425 NJDhockeyfan

That’s great. They should apply for citizenship or at the very least a working visa and get in line with the rest of the immigrants who want to come here.

How about getting in line with the other day laborers… if and American really wants those jobs, they are waiting there every day.

433 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:49:58pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

If I were a psycho, I would kidnap Glenn Beck, tie him to a chair with a gag in his mouth, and make him watch real history videos for a month.

Then dump him naked in the middle of Times Square.

What do you mean “if”?
Psychos rule!

434 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:50:20pm

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Then how come they are not standing on the street corners with the other illegal day laborers? Interesting that all these phantom Americans who would do that work are never seen at the standard day laborer sites, the Home Depot parking lots, the day laborer agencies, going to job sites and asking for day work… that’s what the illegals do, every day, week after week, they hit the payment, looking for those jobs, day after day.

Where are the Americans?

435 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:03pm

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Then how come they are not standing on the street corners with the other illegal day laborers? Interesting that all these phantom Americans who would do that work are never seen at the standard day laborer sites, the Home Depot parking lots, the day laborer agencies, going to job sites and asking for day work… that’s what the illegals do, every day, week after week, they hit the payment, looking for those jobs, day after day.

I spent 4 months pounding the pavement looking for a job last year.Every day I was out there looking. I found one. Guess what, I’m an American! Holy shit!

437 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:14pm

re: #384 Racer X

Most Americans simply will not pick lettuce for $18 a day.

And most Americans would certainly not be willing to pay $14 for a bag of Arugula at the grocery store.

Woof, this means what? illegal immigration is OK so you can have cheap lettuce??

438 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:28pm

Look at the discourse here.
Tell me if you don’t see the “immigration debate” as ugly as the “financial reform” debate was. It’s going to be brutal!

439 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:28pm

re: #406 Shiplord Kirel

Sounds like a bigoted stereotype if I have ever heard one.

I said I was sorry.

440 jaunte  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:55pm

As we contemplate amnesty for immigrants who didn’t follow the law because of their need for employment and a better life, and our businesses’ need for workers, it would be good if legal immigrants could be compensated in some way for their extra expenses incurred by following the law.

441 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:52:01pm

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

I mistype… gee, you can really spend a lot of time focused on the most dumb-assed things… oh look… a butterfly.

Oh butterfly!

Youtube Video
442 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:52:24pm

re: #437 Unakite

It means, some of the economics will have to change.
We will get over it.
Or just continue to bitch.

443 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:53:02pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

And by the way, how many here on this board have ancestors who were fucking “legal” when they came to this country?

Well. my ancestors were both “fucking” and “legal.” That’s why I’m here.

444 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:53:10pm

re: #435 NJDhockeyfan

I spent 4 months pounding the pavement looking for a job last year.Every day I was out there looking. I found one. Guess what, I’m an American! Holy shit!

Deflection again… I’m talking about “those jobs” as you put it, the day laborer jobs, the jobs “most Americans would take.” You mean you got a day laborer job?

Stay on subject.

445 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:54:09pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

How about getting in line with the other day laborers… if and American really wants those jobs, they are waiting there every day.

How about those employers take applications and hire legal workers. You know, put them on the payroll and cut them a check every two weeks.

What a concept!

446 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:54:40pm

re: #438 Floral Giraffe

Look at the discourse here.
Tell me if you don’t see the “immigration debate” as ugly as the “financial reform” debate was. It’s going to be brutal!

It’s going to be much worse. Despite the insults and bile, the Financial Reform is actually on track to pass with a moderate amount of bi-partisanship. No such happy ending can be anticipated for a immigration bill.

447 andres  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:55:53pm

re: #379 Racer X

I think this is the real reason why AZ did it - to stoke the flames.

And to take the focus off of Goldman Sachs and all their former executives now working in cushy government jobs. /

I skimmed this morning an article in a lefty blog on an interesting take on the AZ immigration law.

448 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:55:56pm

Damn

Black Wednesday in Juarez: 20 murders in one day. (Article in Spanish)

Victims included:
*Eight young men found dead in the Aristo Bar Wednesday morning.

* A couple in their early 30s were found Wednesday morning in their 1996 Cadillac near the intersection of Oro and Maria Martinez in Juarez.

* A 23 year old wheelchair-bound man was found murdered later that morning in the township of The Towers.

* Four young male students, two preparatory and two university, were found dead in the parking lot of the bar Super Rapidito BipBip at the intersection of Our Centuries and Arizona.

* Another dead body was found in a house garage at the intersection of Anastasio Pantoja and Agustín Castro of the colony Oasis Revolution.

* Three dead were found at a location near the intersection of Ignacio Saragossa and Francisco Villa in Saragossa.

449 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:56:43pm

re: #425 NJDhockeyfan

That’s great. They should apply for citizenship or at the very least a working visa and get in line with the rest of the immigrants who want to come here.

Don’t. I know what you’re trying to say, but don’t trivialize people like that. No one is coming illegally because it’s too much trouble to fill out an application. It’s damn near impossible to come from Mexico legally, and people have goddamn good reasons.

And no, that doesn’t mean I want an open border, or that I don’t want immigration law enforced. It just means that I would never, ever look down on someone who wanted to come to America because they didn’t wait in line for the rest of their fucking lives, waiting to win the lottery.

450 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:57:09pm

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

How about those employers take applications and hire legal workers. You know, put them on the payroll and cut them a check every two weeks.

What a concept!

This is the last comment to you on this subject, since you refuse to address the subject, and you keep knight-jumping around because you have no answer to my questions.

If those Americans you talk about who would do the sort of work that so many illegals do on a daily basis, then why aren’t they out there at the day labor pick up sites, the Home Depot parking lots, the day labor agencies or going to job sites asking for work.

Stay on subject and answer my simple question above.

451 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:57:33pm

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

Deflection again… I’m talking about “those jobs” as you put it, the day laborer jobs, the jobs “most Americans would take.” You mean you got a day laborer job?

Stay on subject.

Those jobs pay less than unemployment, in many cases. They’d also get in the way of my job search. I’ve gone on two interviews already this week, and I’ve got two more lined up (a third will have to be rescheduled sue to transportation problems), plus another next week. I certainly want to work, and I am not slacking.

452 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:57:38pm

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

Deflection again… I’m talking about “those jobs” as you put it, the day laborer jobs, the jobs “most Americans would take.” You mean you got a day laborer job?

Stay on subject.

A job is a job. Quit spinning.

453 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:58:48pm

re: #452 NJDhockeyfan

A job is a job. Quit spinning.

You still have not given me an answer to this question.

If those Americans you talk about who would do the sort of work that so many illegals do on a daily basis, then why aren’t they out there at the day labor pick up sites, the Home Depot parking lots, the day labor agencies or going to job sites asking for work.

454 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:58:50pm

re: #448 Shiplord Kirel

Damn

Black Wednesday in Juarez: 20 murders in one day. (Article in Spanish)

Victims included:
*Eight young men found dead in the Aristo Bar Wednesday morning.

* A couple in their early 30s were found Wednesday morning in their 1996 Cadillac near the intersection of Oro and Maria Martinez in Juarez.

* A 23 year old wheelchair-bound man was found murdered later that morning in the township of The Towers.

* Four young male students, two preparatory and two university, were found dead in the parking lot of the bar Super Rapidito BipBip at the intersection of Our Centuries and Arizona.

* Another dead body was found in a house garage at the intersection of Anastasio Pantoja and Agustín Castro of the colony Oasis Revolution.

* Three dead were found at a location near the intersection of Ignacio Saragossa and Francisco Villa in Saragossa.

That’s hideous. There’s got to be something we can do to help Mexico get things back under control there.

455 CarleeCork  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:59:39pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

And by the way, how many here on this board have ancestors who were fucking “legal” when they came to this country?


Mom’s family arrived about 1738, Dad’s side arrived in 1834. BTW, my Mom turned 90 today.

456 Spivens  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:59:54pm

Walter, not sure if you ever got a satisfactory response to your question regarding the constitutionality of prayer services being held at the US Capital building. In any event, these sorts of establishment clause cases have actually typically been decided based on the free speech clause of the 1st amendment. Bible study, prayer groups, church services, etc. held at public facilities have all been upheld in the last 10 to 15 years under a free speech theory. Hope that helps.

457 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:59:58pm

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

Legalizing marijuana is a good start.

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:00:02pm

re: #455 CarleeCork

Mom’s family arrived about 1738, Dad’s side arrived in 1834. BTW, my Mom turned 90 today.

Mazal tov! That’s a grand age.

459 webevintage  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:00:33pm

No spoilers, but thank you South Park.re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

Ay Caramba!
Puerto Rican funeral home presents shooting victim on his motorcycle [w/ really creepy video]

That reminds me of the My Name is Earl episode with John Waters as the funeral home director.
He did “creative funerals” for the dearly departed.

It was a pretty sweet episode because Earl was trying to make things right between him and the dead guy Josh. No one had claimed his body so Earl decides his good deed is to give Josh a nice funeral.

At first he can’t seem to find any friends that Josh was friends with so they have fake mourners and that does not work out.
They think he dosen’t have any friends until Randy (or Joy) bumps into Josh’s “sleeping” laptop and then all of these IMs popped up from friends all over the world who the dead dude knew online.
So John Waters placed him in a nice living room, seated at a desk in front of his laptop so that folks who knew him could log in and say goodbye.
I did wipe away a few tears.
It was very sweet.

460 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:00:54pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t mind if you disagree with me and I actually hope I am wrong. Furthermore, your empathy for the illegals is admirable and I am sympathetic to their plight. Unfortunately however, you now have a mounting crisis on your hands down there, and sooner or later I fear that the festering problem is going to literally blow up in your faces unless you finally come to terms with the need to regain substantial control of your southern border. It’s time for action.

461 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:02:01pm

re: #437 Unakite

Woof, this means what? illegal immigration is OK so you can have cheap lettuce??

Yes.

462 CarleeCork  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:02:31pm

re: #458 SanFranciscoZionist
Thank you!

463 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:03:18pm

re: #456 Spivens

Walter, not sure if you ever got a satisfactory response to your question regarding the constitutionality of prayer services being held at the US Capital building. In any event, these sorts of establishment clause cases have actually typically been decided based on the free speech clause of the 1st amendment. Bible study, prayer groups, church services, etc. held at public facilities have all been upheld in the last 10 to 15 years under a free speech theory. Hope that helps.

Nope… no religious group should be holding any services in the Capitol Building… period.

464 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:03:40pm

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

That’s hideous. There’s got to be something we can do to help Mexico get things back under control there.

Fling open our borders!

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:03:55pm

No idea if everyone arrived legally. One side showed up very early, 1600s, so not legal at all, but the Narragansett didn’t have much of a border patrol at the time. Everyone else trickled in from Ireland, England and Eastern Europe during the 1900s. Don’t know if they were all legal. Figure they all had papers, but no way to know if the papers were legit. Or who was bribed to acquire them.

Don’t care, either.

One of my coworkers was thrown over a fence on the Mexican border as an infant, from her mother to another woman in their group. They’re all legal now, and her father has run a bakery in Richmond for twenty years.

466 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:04:00pm

re: #442 Floral Giraffe

It means, some of the economics will have to change.
We will get over it.
Or just continue to bitch.

Brilliant! I would revise it slightly: some of the economics will have to change;
We will get over it.; and we will continue to bitch. :)

467 Gus  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:04:01pm

Yep.

And here were the wingnuts harassing the Somalians at the Swift Greeley plant.

Youtube Video

A group calling itself Coloradans Against Sharia (Islam law) Task Force or (CAST) held a protest rally at the JBS Swift & Company plant in Greeley, Colorado on Saturday, August 8th. CAST leader Michael Gale of Greeley said: We are concerned about Islamic Sharia Law coming to Greeley. We oppose all forms of Sharia in the US.

Yep, ICE boots out the illegals and they bring in legal Somalian refugees. Clearly this shows the true intent of Nativists. It’s more than illegals to that group.

468 WindHorse  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:05:34pm

Walter, I agree with you that the Americans aren’t out there hustling those jobs…. but not because they CAN’T do the work….. but, because they WON’T do the work…..

And I have to wonder why that is…. what has happened to our society the conditioning… or whatever…. that has landed us here with a rather sizable segment of the populace copping this kind of attitude……

469 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:05:47pm

Surfing Sheep

Youtube Video
470 Spivens  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:06:16pm

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I’m just telling you what the Supremes have held on this issue (which, as you know, makes it the law of the land). Not making any assertion as to whether it’s good public policy.

471 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:07:30pm

re: #421 NJDhockeyfan

All my grandparents came over from Europe LEGALLY.

Well, bully for them!

I’m guessing none of them were on the old “undesirables” lists.

472 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:07:45pm

re: #468 WindHorse

Walter, I agree with you that the Americans aren’t out there hustling those jobs… but not because they CAN’T do the work… but, because they WON’T do the work…

And I have to wonder why that is… what has happened to our society the conditioning… or whatever… that has landed us here with a rather sizable segment of the populace copping this kind of attitude…

Well… I say they can’t do the sort of work only because they have lost the skills needed for this sort of work. Of course, I’m not suggesting they can’t learn the skills to tear off and replace roofs, or lay flooring, or drywall, or tile, or landscape, but you’re right, they don’t even want to do the work.

473 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:08:08pm

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

That’s hideous. There’s got to be something we can do to help Mexico get things back under control there.

It is not Mexico, that we need to get under control, here.
It is our border with Mexico.

474 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:08:43pm

re: #470 Spivens

Walter, I’m just telling you what the Supremes have held on this issue (which, as you know, makes it the law of the land). Not making any assertion as to whether it’s good public policy.

I’m sorry, the “nope” was not about what you passed on to me, it was in regards to my opinion about those decisions. I don’t agree with them.

475 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:08:57pm

re: #466 Unakite

Brilliant! I would revise it slightly: some of the economics will have to change;
We will get over it.; and we will continue to bitch. :)

Works, for me!

476 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:09:00pm

re: #473 Floral Giraffe

It is not Mexico, that we need to get under control, here.
It is our border with Mexico.

To be fair if Mexico was a more desirable place to live there would be fewer of its residents who wanted to move to the USA….

477 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:09:30pm

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege - Worse Than the Nazi Camps

The following excerpts are from an interview with Dr. Ali Abdussalam Treki, president of the UN General Assembly, which aired on Syrian TV on April 11, 2010.

Dr. Ali Abdussalam Treki: The siege on Gaza is a disgrace for the entire international community. It is a camp that is worse than the camps of the Nazis in the past. The world must uphold its responsibility.

[…]

The resistance that exists is undoubtedly legitimate, by any international standard. This is resistance against the occupation of land. The serious resistance in Lebanon forced the Israelis to withdraw. There is great resistance of the Palestinian people, in occupied Palestine, in general, and in Gaza, in particular. This ongoing resistance annoys the Israelis, and it has the right to persist until the Israelis fulfill their obligations, and until the Palestinian people are given the right to determine its destiny and establish its state.

What a sack of pig shit.

478 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:10:14pm

re: #476 jamesfirecat

Well, you can just go and work on changing that, and get back to us.

479 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:10:21pm

re: #476 jamesfirecat

To be fair if Mexico was a more desirable place to live there would be fewer of its residents who wanted to move to the USA…

Yep.

Lets invade and take it over! Think of the mega-resorts we could build!

/only half kidding.

480 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:10:25pm

re: #471 Cato the Elder

Well, bully for them!

I’m guessing none of them were on the old “undesirables” lists.

You asked, I answered. No need to get snotty about it.

481 WindHorse  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:10:28pm

re: #472 Walter L. Newton

yeah…. what the Hell happened to “work ethic” in this country. The lack of work ethic is the largest problem I see out there in young people these days. Every one has a sense of entitlement to a life void of work…..

482 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:10:55pm

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

You asked, I answered. No need to get snotty about it.

Cough.

483 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:11:14pm

re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist

Don’t. I know what you’re trying to say, but don’t trivialize people like that. No one is coming illegally because it’s too much trouble to fill out an application. It’s damn near impossible to come from Mexico legally, and people have goddamn good reasons.

And no, that doesn’t mean I want an open border, or that I don’t want immigration law enforced. It just means that I would never, ever look down on someone who wanted to come to America because they didn’t wait in line for the rest of their fucking lives, waiting to win the lottery.

This is a tough question for me because I don’t want it to be an attack on you, but what do you think about the people who did wait in line and do it legally? Shouldn’t they have some advantage, like being in front of the line?

484 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:11:35pm

re: #476 jamesfirecat

To be fair if Mexico was a more desirable place to live there would be fewer of its residents who wanted to move to the USA…

Then Mexico should get their shit together. We have enough of our own problems to fix.

485 Gus  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:11:41pm

re: #479 Racer X

Yep.

Lets invade and take it over! Think of the mega-resorts we could build!

/only half kidding.

That way after we get Puerto Rico we can have an even array of stars again on the flag. 51 stars would present a problem.
//

486 webevintage  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:12:10pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

And by the way, how many here on this board have ancestors who were fucking “legal” when they came to this country?

Well my husband’s family got a land grant from (I think) from some Duke some 50 or so years before the revolution so he thinks he is hot shit.

I on the other hand don’t even know if my German and Irish ancestors came in all legal like or not around 1890ish.
So it annoys me to hear this jackass:

QUESTION: Would you support deportation of natural-born American citizens that are the children of illegal aliens?

HUNTER: I would have to, yes. […] We simply cannot afford what we’re doing right now. California is going under. How much in debt are we? Twenty billion dollars? […] And we’re not being mean, we’re just saying it takes more than just walking across the border to become an American citizen. It’s what’s in our souls.
thinkprogress.org

I wonder how many generations he figures it takes for one to get America in to ones soul? And is that all types of illegals like say the Russians and Irish and all those non brown type illegals too?
Asshole.

487 Spivens  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:12:16pm

re: #474 Walter L. Newton

Gotcha Walter…no worries.

488 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:12:21pm

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege - Worse Than the Nazi Camps

What a sack of pig shit.

I understand that they had shop displays just like this in Treblinka.

489 WindHorse  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:12:32pm

Cato, my forebearers all came to this country legally too.

And then proceeded to: 1) learn English, and 2) work their asses off.

490 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:12:49pm

Well, I’m going to bed. Hey, if you can’t stand illegals, don’t give them work, stay away from them, you won’t get cooties… for everyone else… these people are not criminals, most of them are hard workers, and what they are doing is no different than what I would hope any American that had any sort of self-pride would do… work to feed the family, work for the satisfaction of accomplishing something, work because that’s what it means to be a useful human being.

To bad our federal and state governments can’t work this out.

491 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:13:44pm

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

Nite Walter!

492 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:14:15pm

re: #488 SanFranciscoZionist

I understand that they had shop displays just like this in Treblinka.

Damn. How can Israel let them starve like that?

//

493 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:14:28pm

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege - Worse Than the Nazi Camps

What a sack of pig shit.

So he makes the Jews worse than their murderers. To call him pig shit is to insult pig shit.

494 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:14:54pm

Buenos nachos amigos.

495 CarleeCork  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:15:04pm

re: #476 jamesfirecat

To be fair if Mexico was a more desirable place to live there would be fewer of its residents who wanted to move to the USA…


There are two classes of people in Mexico, those with money and those without. Mr. Cork and I visited friends living there and working near Mexico City, they lived in a gated community with armed guards. We ventured out to Mexico City one afternoon and were shook down by the police. I will NEVER go back there again. The poverty was overwhelming, young children “doing tricks” at stoplights for money. It was heartbreaking.

496 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:15:37pm

re: #488 SanFranciscoZionist

I understand that they had shop displays just like this in Treblinka.

Love this comment:

Readers should note that these photos were taken DURING the so-called “seige of Gaza” and after last year’s winter war.

497 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:16:27pm

Gotta get some sleep. It’s way past my bedtime. LGF is too addictive.

Later.

498 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:16:36pm

re: #476 jamesfirecat

To be fair if Mexico was a more desirable place to live there would be fewer of its residents who wanted to move to the USA…

To be fair, that’s a brilliant insight. What do you think the Mexican government could do to actually make it a more desirable place for actual Mexicans to want to live in (so they don’t emigrate to the U.S.)?

499 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:17:32pm

re: #495 CarleeCork

There are two classes of people in Mexico, those with money and those without. Mr. Cork and I visited friends living there and working near Mexico City, they lived in a gated community with armed guards. We ventured out to Mexico City one afternoon and were shook down by the police. I will NEVER go back there again. The poverty was overwhelming, young children “doing tricks” at stoplights for money. It was heartbreaking.

Yes, Mexico is a country of “haves” and “have nots”.
But, we are not going to change that.
IF we are to change anything, it is our own country.

500 WindHorse  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:17:58pm

I was talking to “Tech Support” at Microsoft about a month ago when I upgraded from Vista to Windows 7.

This fellow I was talking to was Anglo…. American from upstate New York.

He told me - and I forget the exact context - that there was something about Windows 7 that would aid in learning Spanish “since in twenty years that is what we all will be speaking”.

I thought…. hmmmmm…. “Apple”….

501 Racer X  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:18:05pm

re: #495 CarleeCork

There are two classes of people in Mexico, those with money and those without. Mr. Cork and I visited friends living there and working near Mexico City, they lived in a gated community with armed guards. We ventured out to Mexico City one afternoon and were shook down by the police. I will NEVER go back there again. The poverty was overwhelming, young children “doing tricks” at stoplights for money. It was heartbreaking.

And it’s been that way for decades.

I’ve been to Mexico several times. The first time was around 1970. About 5 little kids followed us around TJ begging for money. My dad gave them a dime each. I’ll never forget the smiles on those kid’s faces.

502 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:18:43pm

re: #483 Unakite

This is a tough question for me because I don’t want it to be an attack on you, but what do you think about the people who did wait in line and do it legally? Shouldn’t they have some advantage, like being in front of the line?

Sure. As I said, that’s not about not enforcing immigration law. People who come legally as workers or immigrants are good folks, and should be treated accordingly.

But sneering at the people who come illegally is not cool with me. Deport them? Yeah, we have to. But act as though they could have just waited another year or two and come legally, as though they were just doing this because they’re greedy or impatient…that’s not honest. And it’s not just.

503 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:19:03pm

re: #498 Unakite

But, that is not something that we, as US citizens can have any or much influence over. Would you agree?

504 Gus  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:20:08pm

re: #495 CarleeCork

There are two classes of people in Mexico, those with money and those without. Mr. Cork and I visited friends living there and working near Mexico City, they lived in a gated community with armed guards. We ventured out to Mexico City one afternoon and were shook down by the police. I will NEVER go back there again. The poverty was overwhelming, young children “doing tricks” at stoplights for money. It was heartbreaking.

My cousin is in Brazil now. Rio. She has armed body guards when she ventures out. Husband is some kind of big shot.

I only spent a day in Mexico. Tijuana to be exact. I cannot see how people can have a good time there because the poverty was evident at every corner. Little children that looked like they spent the past months unbathed and covered in dirt. Beggars like images of from Calcutta. At night the predatory nature of the men was evident to the trained or aware eye. One woman was being stalked and she finally found safety by walking alongside my brother and me.

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:21:05pm

Gotta go. Night all.

506 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:22:49pm

re: #501 Racer X

Our family went to Mexico, through Nogales, with permits, YEARS ago. Dad was NOT going to pay the “mordida” to get the entry permit. Brown grocery bags of $20’s were going into the back room. Uncle paid, lied to Dad, but we got our permit & out of there. 50 miles later, we were stoppped & searched by the “Red Cross” *cough* but Uncle passed them a $20 and they let us go.
Corruption is a way of life, for now, in Mexico.
Beautiful country, great people, shitty rulers.

507 CarleeCork  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:23:08pm

re: #499 Floral Giraffe

Yes, Mexico is a country of “haves” and “have nots”.
But, we are not going to change that.
IF we are to change anything, it is our own country.


Oh, I think our Country could change things in Mexico if we really wanted to. We allow OUR companies to build products there with no regard to pollution. American companies with plants in Mexico should be subject to the same EPA regulations as here.

508 Gus  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:24:10pm

re: #506 Floral Giraffe

Our family went to Mexico, through Nogales, with permits, YEARS ago. Dad was NOT going to pay the “mordida” to get the entry permit. Brown grocery bags of $20’s were going into the back room. Uncle paid, lied to Dad, but we got our permit & out of there. 50 miles later, we were stoppped & searched by the “Red Cross” *cough* but Uncle passed them a $20 and they let us go.
Corruption is a way of life, for now, in Mexico.
Beautiful country, great people, shitty rulers.

The old rule was have 10 dollars on you to give to the cop. Before he arrests you. Don’t know what the sum is now.

509 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:24:30pm

re: #461 Racer X

Yes.

Upding. At least your honest. (I like cheap lettuce too.)

510 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:24:43pm

re: #507 CarleeCork

Oh, I think our Country could change things in Mexico if we really wanted to. We allow OUR companies to build products there with no regard to pollution. American companies with plants in Mexico should be subject to the same EPA regulations as here.

511 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:25:22pm

re: #498 Unakite

To be fair, that’s a brilliant insight. What do you think the Mexican government could do to actually make it a more desirable place for actual Mexicans to want to live in (so they don’t emigrate to the U.S.)?

Sorry I’m only good for one brilliant insight a night, I’m going to bed now….

512 CarleeCork  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:26:02pm

re: #506 Floral Giraffe

Our family went to Mexico, through Nogales, with permits, YEARS ago. Dad was NOT going to pay the “mordida” to get the entry permit. Brown grocery bags of $20’s were going into the back room. Uncle paid, lied to Dad, but we got our permit & out of there. 50 miles later, we were stoppped & searched by the “Red Cross” *cough* but Uncle passed them a $20 and they let us go.
Corruption is a way of life, for now, in Mexico.
Beautiful country, great people, shitty rulers.

I think that could be changed.

513 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:29:54pm

re: #512 CarleeCork

514 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:30:47pm

re: #513 Floral Giraffe

Well, nevermind.
That didn’t work.

Namaste, y’all!

515 CarleeCork  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:31:24pm

re: #514 Floral Giraffe
Good night all.

516 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:32:23pm

re: #495 CarleeCork

There are two classes of people in Mexico, those with money and those without. Mr. Cork and I visited friends living there and working near Mexico City, they lived in a gated community with armed guards. We ventured out to Mexico City one afternoon and were shook down by the police. I will NEVER go back there again. The poverty was overwhelming, young children “doing tricks” at stoplights for money. It was heartbreaking.

This is not meant to be snippy but have you ever been to Africa? It’s even worse.

517 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:34:06pm

re: #512 CarleeCork

And, it’s really nice to have some noobies commenting.
Welcome!
We reason arguments around here, it’s not personal.
I am glad to have you contributing.
Now, I REALLY am off!

518 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:46:29pm

re: #503 Floral Giraffe

But, that is not something that we, as US citizens can have any or much influence over. Would you agree?


Don’t know if that is a typo, or I’ve just been up too late. Did you mean US citizens “can” or “can’t?” If I read it correctly, I think we can have some influence, but not a lot. Like most countries, if there is going to be change it has to come from the citizens, in this case the Mexicans. They need to decide what kind of country and government that they want, and if it fails we shouldn’t be their national welfare program. We have enough problems with our own.

519 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:47:32pm

Two arrested two over monkey meatballs

Indonesian police have arrested a couple who made meatballs from the flesh of protected monkeys, an animal conservation group said on Wednesday.

The pair poached dozens of rare Javan langurs, also known as silver-leaf monkeys, from Baluran National Park in the east of Java island, according to a statement released by Indonesia-based animal protection group ProFauna.

“Police found 30 kilograms (65 pounds) meat estimated to come from 20 - 25 individuals, two rifles and a live langur,” the statement said.

“The couple admitted that they had known what they did was against the law and they hunted the monkeys for their meat because beef and chicken were more expensive than the protected monkeys.”

Meatball soup, known locally as bakso, is a popular dish in Indonesia.

Maybe they’ll escape to Australia and throw another chimp on the barbie….

40 or so years ago, during the Southeast Asian unpleasantness, a friend and I were strolling through a local ville when we noticed a rather enticing spicy smell coming from a roadside stand. We asked the elderly Vietnamese proprietor what it was. He informed us in his fractured but serviceable English that it was his special monkey stew.

He saw the horrified looks on our faces and said, “No, no. Is ok, is VC monkey!” He even offered us a discount to try it but we declined.

We told some of the other GIs about it later. One of them said, “Oh, yeah. I tried that. Pretty good eatin’ as long as one of the hands doesn’t come up in your spoon.”

520 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:49:12pm

re: #489 WindHorse

Cato, my forebearers all came to this country legally too.

And then proceeded to: 1) learn English, and 2) work their asses off.

Whoop-de-doo!

521 Unakite  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:49:38pm

re: #506 Floral Giraffe

Our family went to Mexico, through Nogales, with permits, YEARS ago. Dad was NOT going to pay the “mordida” to get the entry permit. Brown grocery bags of $20’s were going into the back room. Uncle paid, lied to Dad, but we got our permit & out of there. 50 miles later, we were stoppped & searched by the “Red Cross” *cough* but Uncle passed them a $20 and they let us go.
Corruption is a way of life, for now, in Mexico.
Beautiful country, great people, shitty rulers.

I guess better shitty rulers than shi’itey rulers. :)

Sorry, it’s late and I have to get up in 4 hours.
G’nite.

522 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:59:24pm

re: #321 Alouette

And he’s like all totally dead and stuff.

Well, it’s nice to know you’re right because you got nine updings. But Tom Ridge and Wesley Clark, both better placed to know than any of us, hold to the estimate that Bin Laden is alive and living in the Pakistani tribal areas. In fact, they go farther than that, and say that we pretty much know this.

523 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:57:55am

re: #404 Unakite

Is “gag” a noun or a verb?

Yes.

524 andres  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:59:02am

re: #447 andres

Err, for some reason it skipped the article I linked. Here it is.

525 Buck  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:08:00am

re: #22 jamesfirecat

So did anyone else noticed that Buck found a friend in the Sarah Palin thread?

I honestly hope the two of them are very happy together.

Did anyone else notice James is obsessed with me?


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