Video: Fox News Pimps Bogus Noah’s Ark Story

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Fox News didn’t just put that mind-numbingly dumb story about Noah’s Ark on their website yesterday, they also spent several minutes hyping it to the rubes on America’s Newsroom today.

Apparently Fox believed they had found an archaeologist who would back up their sham story, but Eric Cline of George Washington University went off script (good for him) and said the whole thing just might be a hoax. Ya think?

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And to top it off, this drivel is what Fox News chose to broadcast instead of President Obama’s eulogy to civil rights pioneer Dorothy Height.

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324 comments
1 pharmmajor  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:01:29am

Charles, I know you're frustrated with the bull from FOX news, but I'm curious to know; what's your opinion of Reason magazine and the news coverage it provides?

[Link: reason.com...]

[Link: reason.tv...]

2 Revtim  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:03:34am

Wow, it might be a hoax, they say? That's disappointing. But the Hammer Of Thor and bag of Santa Clause's beard hair that I bought on eBay is real, right?

3 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:03:37am

We'd like to have shown you the president's speech, but I'm afraid it would interfere with the preconceived narrative we're trying to sell you fine people!

4 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:04:01am

How blatantly idiotic of them.

Note to the female newscaster: If you think that it is going to really be possible to find Noah's Ark, you are not really a skeptic.

Good job on the scientist for quashing this.

5 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:04:52am

I'm reminded of the old show "In Search Of" originally narrated by Rod Serling, followed with narration by Leonard Nimoy. Even when I was a kid I thought all the stuff they were trying to push was baloney. I wonder if Fox News has ever seen Penn & Teller's "Bulls#!t" as well. That should've put this all to bed right there and then.

6 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:05:15am

Hahaha.

"There was a big flood too, don't forget". How brainless.

Wow. I feel bad for any scientist that has to talk to these people. Sheesh.

7 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:07:34am

Everytime I hear about "Noah's ark" I hear this...

Youtube Video
8 drcordell  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:07:36am

Biblical literalism FTW!

9 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:09:39am

G:This is the Lord Noah.

N: Right....

G: I want you to make an ark.

N: Right....

G: It has to be 80 cubits by 40 cubits by 40 cubits.

N: Right.... What's a cubit?

10 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:10:27am
And to top it off, this drivel is what Fox News chose to broadcast instead of President Obama’s eulogy to civil rights pioneer Dorothy Height.

I for one is not surprised, as Fox knows quite well their audience - it is exactly as designed by Murdoch.

The Fox viewers are unlikely to care about Height. The story on Fox's website: Obama to Honor 'Godmother of Civil Rights' has these as the first comments:

foxylady12
Georgia

In my personal opinion white people might as well find another place to live, we are being run out. White people are becoming the minority in America every day. I feel that African American people are so much more racist than white people. I thought that Obama was going to do some good for our country but now I totally have a different opinion about him and his wife.

Thursday, April 29, 2010 at 9:18 AM


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chartman
Tennessee why am I not surprised. osama obama honors godmother of civil rights but will not even give God the time of day. what a terrorist.can't wait to vote this sleeze bag SOB out of office. It doesn't matter how many illegal aliens, all of poerto rico he brings in for votes and then lets them live off welfare, free housing, medical after he thinks he will get their votes. God may have another plan for you, maybe you will get an interview with the devil oh wait you are the devil.
Thursday, April 29, 2010 at 8:49 AM


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samurai54
Oregon

Civil Rights?. You mean special interest from the liberal perspective. We now need civil rights for Whites.

Thursday, April 29, 2010 at 6:37 AM


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itrustelrushbo
Illinois

SHOWTIME!

Thursday, April 29, 2010 at 4:59 AM

So there you have it. Why should Fox run a news story that would honor Dorothy Height?

11 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:11:10am

PIMF "am not surprised"... I need a grammar checker!

12 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:11:49am

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8 But Ceiling Cat liekd noah alot.

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12 An Ceiling Cat saw teh urf, An saw taht it wuz corruptd cuz all teh ppl had fuxxxxd it up.

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13 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:12:39am

Hell, even CSM is calling this out

Doubt cast on Noah's ark found in Turkey

Dr. Price, who is director of the Center for Judaic Studies at the conservative Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., was the archaeologist on the Chinese-led team in 2008 when this alleged discovery was first made. He says he has “difficulties with a number of issues related to the evidence at hand.”

Price declined to elaborate. However, a leaked email from Price – which he confirms that he wrote – shows that he has reason to believe that a group of local Kurdish men trucked wood up to the mountain and staged an elaborate hoax for the Chinese team.

A group of Kurdish workers “are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. … During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film,” Price writes in the email.

Price is a longtime searcher himself for the ark. As a member of Noah’s Ark Search LLC, he had gone on a number of expeditions to Mount Ararat.

14 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:13:23am

re: #9 lawhawk

G:This is the Lord Noah.

N: Right...

G: I want you to make an ark.

N: Right...

G: It has to be 80 cubits by 40 cubits by 40 cubits.

N: Right... What's a cubit?

P.S. Fuck the unicorns

15 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:13:27am

re: #9 lawhawk

G:This is the Lord Noah.

N: Right...

G: I want you to make an ark.

N: Right...

G: It has to be 80 cubits by 40 cubits by 40 cubits.

N: Right... What's a cubit?

G: You will gather me two of every creature...

N: Two creatures....

16 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:14:32am

re: #8 drcordell

Biblical literalism FTW!

In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said "Let there be LIGHT!"

There was still nothing, but now you could see it.

17 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:15:09am

Yes. It's all true! Noah, Japheth, Shem, and Ham also went on to "father" the people of East Asia, Africa, the Aborigines of Australia or American Indians all within 5,000 years. The polar bears were said to be rather grumpy about having to walk all the way back to their northern homes from Turkey. This was known because polar bears could talk and Noah lived to the ripe old age of 950 years.

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18 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:15:21am

re: #10 freetoken

So there you have it. Why should Fox run a news story that would honor Dorothy Height?......Comments: foxylady12
Georgia

In my personal opinion white people might as well find another place to live, we are being run out. White people are becoming the minority in America every day. I feel that African American people are so much more racist than white people. I thought that Obama was going to do some good for our country but now I totally have a different opinion about him and his wife.

Oh dear Ceiling CAT please find these whiny ass white people a country they can go live in so the rest of us can just get on with our lives and stop having to listen to them whine and whine about how much everything sucks for the white man and his woman. The rest of us white people are sick to death of them and all the drama they cause.
KTHX

19 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:16:00am

This is pathetic:

Yesterday's Fox story

The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.

No proven Noah's Ark has yet been discovered either but that is far more likely in their opinion than a previously unknown settlement of some kind. These people have the reasoning power of a nematode.

20 Locker  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:17:10am

re: #9 lawhawk

Laugh! Heard that on vinyl for the first time way back in the day.

How you gonna do it?
I'm gonna make it rain for a thousand days and drown 'em right out
Right!
Listen to this, you'll save water
Let it rain for 40 days and 40 nights
And wait for the sewers back up
Right!

21 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:17:50am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

This is pathetic:

Yesterday's Fox story


No proven Noah's Ark has yet been discovered either but that is far more likely in their opinion than a previously unknown settlement of some kind. These people have the reasoning power of a nematode.

Apparently, none of them could understand why their Kurdish guides kept snickering at them behind their backs either.

22 pharmmajor  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:18:17am

re: #5 MrSilverDragon

I wonder if Fox News has ever seen Penn & Teller's "Bulls#!t" as well. That should've put this all to bed right there and then.

What does it say about our society when Penn & Teller offer a better analysis of the world and flawed thinking than a major news corporation?

23 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:19:28am

re: #22 pharmmajor

What does it say about our society when Penn & Teller offer a better analysis of the world and flawed thinking than a major news corporation?

Did ya see the one when they got people to sign a petition to ban water? Good stuff.

24 drcordell  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:20:27am

OT: Not sure if anyone caught Ken Blackwell on the Daily Show last night. Stewart laid a brutally epic smackdown. It's pretty good on the TV cut, but the carnage is much more evident on the unedited web version.

Ken Blackwell talks Obama's power grab, and Jon Stewart tears him down

25 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:20:34am

re: #22 pharmmajor

What does it say about our society when Penn & Teller offer a better analysis of the world and flawed thinking than a major news corporation?

How funny is this?
We watched the "Bible" episode just last night and when they moved on from verse to verse I would read the LOLCat translation.
My son has now decided he is going to become a follower of Ceiling Cat....

26 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:20:37am

re: #22 pharmmajor

Comedians are often more able to communicate to masses than straight reporters.

27 Mark Pennington  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:21:24am

I was channel surfing this morning and heard Fox say that a scientist who thinks this is the real deal was coming up so I sat there and waited because I needed some humor this morning. Martha (don't know her last name and she isn't worth a google search!) introduced him by saying he indeed believes this could be real. He went on to say that he did not believe it was real since they keep stalling on releasing the data as proof etc. I got the impression that Fox thought he was going to say something besides his opinion that its probably a hoax. After the segment, she stated that Fox would continue to cover it.

28 drcordell  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:21:37am

re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did ya see the one when they got people to sign a petition to ban water? Good stuff.

Reminds me of the episode of the Man Show where they got dozens of women to sign a petition to end "women's suffrage."

29 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:22:03am

re: #22 pharmmajor

What does it say about our society when Penn & Teller offer a better analysis of the world and flawed thinking than a major news corporation?

It tells me to shoot my TV... but I don't wanna.

30 recusancy  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:23:00am

re: #24 drcordell

OT: Not sure if anyone caught Ken Blackwell on the Daily Show last night. Stewart laid a brutally epic smackdown. It's pretty good on the TV cut, but the carnage is much more evident on the unedited web version.

Ken Blackwell talks Obama's power grab, and Jon Stewart tears him down

I had never heard Blackwell speak or debate before. He was awful. His knowledge of facts was Palinesque. I was almost embarrassed for him.

31 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:23:01am

re: #28 drcordell

Reminds me of the episode of the Man Show where they got dozens of women to sign a petition to end "women's suffrage."

Both post are the reason I don't sign petitions. Heh.

32 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:23:07am

If we find a spaceship does that mean the Scientologists were right???
XD

33 elizajane  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:23:15am

I don't understand why we're so incensed about this. Old Testament archaeology is a perfectly legitimate discipline. Lots of the OT is based on historical fact, as filtered through the lens of Jewish belief and legend. It's not *impossible* that the ark had some basis or other in fact, even at a pretty distant remove. Even metaphors can relate to something "real."

Of course, this is coming from the person who said to her teacher in Adult Catholic Instruction class, "You mean we still believe in H*ll? Like, that it's real?? I thought it was just a metaphor!"
How I Failed Catholicism.

34 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:23:20am

re: #24 drcordell

OT: Not sure if anyone caught Ken Blackwell on the Daily Show last night. Stewart laid a brutally epic smackdown. It's pretty good on the TV cut, but the carnage is much more evident on the unedited web version.

Ken Blackwell talks Obama's power grab, and Jon Stewart tears him down

Yeah, that was something.
Blackwell did himself no favor by going on the show.

35 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:23:26am

Some nutter or other has been saying that they've found Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat for decades. They'll point to some grainy photo of a rock outcropping or that they've found some trace of wood to "prove" the Ark exists, but no one has been able to duplicate any of the findings.

This latest report is more of the same.

36 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:23:30am

re: #20 Locker

Laugh! Heard that on vinyl for the first time way back in the day.


Even better is Cosby's bit on the Chicken Heart That Ate New York City!

37 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:23:56am

Fox News reports that a scientist in New Zealand has evidence that the world is indeed flat.

/

38 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:24:17am

It's a shame that the idiotocracy pushes mindless twaddle when real archeology is more fascinating.

Göbekli Temple

The World's First Temple

There are folks who think Göbekli Tepe was the inspiration for the Eden myth. Cool stuff.

39 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:24:21am

"the Greatest Seafaring Ship of all Time" Noah's Ark model kit from Minicraft, discounted to $67.99
Doesn't specify scale.
To be fair, Minicraft also has an extensive line of model kits for ships, aircraft, and vehicles whose existence is not in doubt.

40 drcordell  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:24:21am

re: #34 webevintage

Yeah, that was something.
Blackwell did himself no favor by going on the show.

Unfortunately anyone who reads the title of that book and then picks it up to do anything besides laugh ain't watching the Daily Show.

41 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:24:44am

re: #37 Gus 802

Fox News reports that a scientist in New Zealand has evidence that the world is indeed flat.

/

Well, parts of it are flat!
//

42 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:25:21am

Acchhh! Noah's Ark kit LINK

pimf again

43 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:25:35am

I remember one time talking to a buddy about seeing a show where archaeologists were talking about Jericho, and how they had discovered evidence of tunneling, and they were forming a theory that the historically proven methods of sappers tunneling under the walls is what brought the walls down, and that it was common for the army to make lots of noise to cover up the sounds of the digging, so they would be playing trumpets, banging drums, etc to cover the sappers.

In the middle of this, had a guy come up and start preaching it was the power of GOD who brought down the walls and that anyone who didn't BELIEVE would be punished.

Yeah, he was a dick.

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:26:01am

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel

"the Greatest Seafaring Ship of all Time" Noah's Ark model kit from Minicraft, discounted to $67.99
Doesn't specify scale.
To be fair, Minicraft also has an extensive line of model kits for ships, aircraft, and vehicles whose existence is not in doubt.

My son also has a couple models of Star Wars ships hanging from his ceiling.

I like the human imagination. It makes life worth living.

(Except at night, especially after watching 6th sense.)

45 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:26:09am

re: #25 webevintage

How funny is this?
We watched the "Bible" episode just last night and when they moved on from verse to verse I would read the LOLCat translation.
My son has now decided he is going to become a follower of Ceiling Cat...

Good for him, have we made catnip a sacrament yet?

46 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:26:24am

re: #32 Varek Raith

If we find a spaceship does that mean the Scientologists were right???
XD

Only if it looks like a airplane.

47 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:27:08am

The reason we can't find Noah's ark, if people had paid attention, is because Poseidon released the Kraken, and it destroyed the ark just as the animals were released...sheesh.

Photo-evidence

48 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:27:20am

Everyone knows this is bullshit - the Ark was destroyed in a controlled demolition explosion. And it was Bush's fault!

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:27:26am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Only if it looks like a airplane.

John Travolta has a plane!!!

50 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:27:39am

re: #38 Jeff In Ohio

One of the things I find interesting about Gobekli are the animal images. If indeed the site was used for religious purposes, that means the animal symbols we see in the OT and other near eastern religions have a much older ancestry than we knew before.

51 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:27:51am

Book: "What are we up to, sweetheart?"

River: "Fixing your Bible."

Book: "I, um...what?"

River: "Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics - doesn't make sense."

Book: "No, no. You - you can't...

River: "So we'll integrate non-progressional evolution theory with God's creation of Eden. Eleven inherent metaphoric parallels already there. Eleven. Important number. Prime number. One goes into the house of eleven eleven times, but always comes out one. Noah's ark is a problem."

Book: "Really?"

River: "We'll have to call it early quantum state phenomenon. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat."

52 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:27:51am

re: #42 Shiplord Kirel

Acchhh! Noah's Ark kit LINK

pimf again

That thing looks only twice as big as the S.S. Minnow.

Do you suppose archaeologists will be searching for the S.S. Minnow 5,000 years from now?

Headlines! April 29, 7010. The S.S. Minnow has been found!

/

53 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:28:11am

re: #48 Mad Al-Jaffee

Bombed by F-117's.

54 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:28:43am

re: #33 elizajane

I don't understand why we're so incensed about this. Old Testament archaeology is a perfectly legitimate discipline. Lots of the OT is based on historical fact, as filtered through the lens of Jewish belief and legend. It's not *impossible* that the ark had some basis or other in fact, even at a pretty distant remove. Even metaphors can relate to something "real."

True, but I think the issue for me is are these "legitimate" scholars with an eye to history or is it someone who feels the need to prove that everything in the bible is REAL and TRUE and all of history is HIStory?

55 Olsonist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:28:44am

Normally I don't pay attention to these Fox stories. They are, after all, about Fox and they are neither news nor new. But then I saw this:

And to top it off, this drivel is what Fox News chose to broadcast instead of President Obama’s eulogy to civil rights pioneer Dorothy Height.

I have Comcast internet-only because I want less (no?) money going to Fox.

56 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:28:46am

re: #24 drcordell

OT: Not sure if anyone caught Ken Blackwell on the Daily Show last night. Stewart laid a brutally epic smackdown. It's pretty good on the TV cut, but the carnage is much more evident on the unedited web version.

Ken Blackwell talks Obama's power grab, and Jon Stewart tears him down

Blackwell is a former Cincinnati City Councilperson. So was Jerry Springer. One has made a bundle off his idiocy, the other wrote a book.

57 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:28:51am

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

John Travolta has a plane!!!

John Travolta has a 707...which, as Steve Miller informed us, is a Big ole jet airliner...and not merely a 'plane.'

58 badger1970  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:28:52am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For a siege, the attackers distracting the defenders for days on end with parades circling the city so the sappers could weaken the foundations without notice was good planning. Joshua was not a fool.

59 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:28:54am

re: #48 Mad Al-Jaffee

Everyone knows this is bullshit - the Ark was destroyed in a controlled demolition explosion. And it was Bush's fault!

Come on. Everyone knows that fire can't burn wet wood.

/

60 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:29:07am

re: #52 Gus 802

That thing looks only twice as big as the S.S. Minnow.

Do you suppose archaeologists will be searching for the S.S. Minnow 5,000 years from now?

Headlines! April 29, 7010. The S.S. Minnow has been found!

/

ITS A TARDIS!

61 KingKenrod  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:29:18am

re: #33 elizajane

I don't understand why we're so incensed about this. Old Testament archaeology is a perfectly legitimate discipline. Lots of the OT is based on historical fact, as filtered through the lens of Jewish belief and legend. It's not *impossible* that the ark had some basis or other in fact, even at a pretty distant remove. Even metaphors can relate to something "real."

Of course, this is coming from the person who said to her teacher in Adult Catholic Instruction class, "You mean we still believe in H*ll? Like, that it's real?? I thought it was just a metaphor!"
How I Failed Catholicism.

I find the Black Sea Deluge theory to be interesting and possible source of the flood myths from ancient religions.

62 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:30:35am

re: #47 darthstar

The reason we can't find Noah's ark, if people had paid attention, is because Poseidon released the Kraken, and it destroyed the ark just as the animals were released...sheesh.

Photo-evidence

Besides, how was Noah gonna fit two of them on the ark in any case...

63 Semper Fi  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:30:53am

re: #37 Gus 802

Fox News reports that a scientist in New Zealand has evidence that the world is indeed flat.

/

I once visited an old buddy in Nebraska. Drove so far from the main highway along very long country roads I had the feeling I was nearing the dropping off place.

64 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:31:18am

re: #58 badger1970

For a siege, the attackers distracting the defenders for days on end with parades circling the city so the sappers could weaken the foundations without notice was good planning. Joshua was not a fool.

IIRC correctly, the researchers found signs of tunnels, counter tunnels, mining tools, burnt timbers and weapons all under a ruined section of wall in their digs. What could it all means?

///

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:32:04am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hell, even CSM is calling this out

Doubt cast on Noah's ark found in Turkey

Didn't they find this thing ages ago, or do they keep finding possible arks? This sounds very familiar.

66 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:32:06am

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

IIRC correctly, the researchers found signs of tunnels, counter tunnels, mining tools, burnt timbers and weapons all under a ruined section of wall in their digs. What could it all means?

///

Don't F--- with Israel...

67 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:33:09am

I do hope we have labeled all our TV shows appropriately, otherwise, in about 3,000 years, we'll have whatever passes for crackpots then looking for polar bears and smoke monsters on an island in the Pacific.

68 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:33:18am

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn't they find this thing ages ago, or do they keep finding possible arks? This sounds very familiar.

It's all part of the conspiracy since history is circular. They are *all* true arks since God keeps releasing new patches and they have to reboot (Flood) the world repeatedly. We're just version 2.1.0005.

/ :)

69 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:34:08am

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn't they find this thing ages ago, or do they keep finding possible arks? This sounds very familiar.

Well, perhaps Noah built a boatload -:P- of arks and not just one???

70 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:34:08am

re: #9 lawhawk

G:This is the Lord Noah.

N: Right...

G: I want you to make an ark.

N: Right...

G: It has to be 80 cubits by 40 cubits by 40 cubits.

N: Right... What's a cubit?

G: NOAH! How long can you tread water?

71 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:34:37am

re: #68 oaktree

It's all part of the conspiracy since history is circular. They are *all* true arks since God keeps releasing new patches and they have to reboot (Flood) the world repeatedly. We're just version 2.1.0005.

/ :)

I'm sorry, but your version of "ARK" does not comply with the Earth's current operating system. Abort, Retry or Fail?

72 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:34:54am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do hope we have labeled all our TV shows appropriately, otherwise, in about 3,000 years, we'll have whatever passes for crackpots then looking for polar bears and smoke monsters on an island in the Pacific.

Skeletal remains of Frankenstein found!

/

73 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:35:15am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do hope we have labeled all our TV shows appropriately, otherwise, in about 3,000 years, we'll have whatever passes for crackpots then looking for polar bears and smoke monsters on an island in the Pacific.

dammit, i just spit sunflower seed everywhere - this is why eating them at work is a risky proposition.

oops - time to go eat lunch and work out. the eeevil salted sunflower seeds may boost my sodium intake over 100% of the RDA...pray that my heart does not explode in mid-lift//

bbl

74 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:35:22am

re: #72 Gus 802

Skeletal remains of Frankenstein found!

/

That explains all the reports about Frankenfood!

75 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:36:08am

Representative Duncan Hunter (aka Hunter the Younger), who happens to be my Representative (hangs head low...), embodies the xenophobia that is now running so rampant:

Hunter under fire for immigration comments

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, is under fire for saying that the children born to illegal immigrants should be deported. Hunter's comments during a tea party event Saturday in Ramona were posted on a YouTube video that has been viewed about 8,100 times as of early today.

Here's the video:

Youtube Video

Yeah, he called the AZ law a "fantastic startingpoint" -point.

76 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:36:09am

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Youtube Video

Oh wait, wrong ark.

77 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:36:23am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do hope we have labeled all our TV shows appropriately, otherwise, in about 3,000 years, we'll have whatever passes for crackpots then looking for polar bears and smoke monsters on an island in the Pacific.

The Creation Museum is going to confuse the shit outta them.
:)

78 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:36:28am

re: #74 oaktree

That explains all the reports about Frankenfood!

That was found near the ancestral home of Count Chocula.

/

79 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:36:33am

re: #69 Varek Raith

Well, perhaps Noah built a boatload -:P- of arks and not just one???

A fleet of arks. And all the telephone sanitizers were on the one with the leaky bilge.

80 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:36:42am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do hope we have labeled all our TV shows appropriately, otherwise, in about 3,000 years, we'll have whatever passes for crackpots then looking for polar bears and smoke monsters on an island in the Pacific.

And that island has a name now (you're welcome): Bulamanganao. (It's a darthstarian term that means 'turd island')

81 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:36:52am

re: #75 freetoken

Why does he hate the constitution?

82 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:37:19am

I don't think it's a hoax as much as it's a bunch of people who really want to believe.

Like Fox Mulder but not as sane.

83 Semper Fi  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:37:38am

re: #72 Gus 802

Skeletal remains of Frankenstein found!

/

From the air?

84 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:38:11am

re: #80 darthstar

Nice call back.

85 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:39:28am

re: #9 lawhawk

God said to Abraham, kill me a son
Abe said, man you must be puttin' me on...

86 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:40:18am

re: #85 Mad Al-Jaffee

God said to Abraham, kill me a son
Abe said, man you must be puttin' me on...

God said to Abraham, kill me a son.
Abe said, "you first."
Good work, Abe.

87 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:41:36am

re: #86 darthstar

God said to Abraham, kill me a son.
Abe said, "you first."
Good work, Abe.

Made me laugh.

88 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:42:05am

re: #81 Obdicut

Why does he hate the constitution?

I suppose, if he had any defense, is that the 14th amendment has been interpreted incorrectly. Or perhaps he believes it should be repealed.

Anyway, that Tea Party up in Ramona was about hating Mexicans as much as anything else.

Here is your Republican party of 2010, David Frum. Love it, or leave it.

89 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:42:16am

Hasta later.

90 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:42:20am

Has Fox News featured this story yet?

Giant Skeletons Found in Desert

Biblical Archaemology!

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:42:47am

Time has published a list of 100 influential people.

I'm way more interested in who's writing the pieces than in the articles themselves.

92 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:42:54am

re: #81 Obdicut

Why does he hate the constitution?

He doesn't really, it's just uncomfortable when he can't poop.

We had a little discussion about this yesterday. It was pretty...um...nonsensical.

93 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:42:58am

re: #88 freetoken

I suppose, if he had any defense, is that the 14th amendment has been interpreted incorrectly. Or perhaps he believes it should be repealed.

Anyway, that Tea Party up in Ramona was about hating Mexicans as much as anything else.

Here is your Republican party of 2010, David Frum. Love it, or leave it.

Damn 14th Amendment, always getting in their way!
:rollseyes:

94 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:43:31am

re: #90 Jimmah

No doubt the offspring of those angels who mated with women!

95 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:44:16am

re: #90 Jimmah

Has Fox News featured this story yet?

Giant Skeletons Found in Desert

Biblical Archaemology!

IT'S THE NEPHILIM!!11!!11
*Runs around screaming*

96 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:44:29am

re: #90 Jimmah

They have found Gulliver and the ramifications are astonishing!!11!

97 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:45:42am

re: #96 Jeff In Ohio

They have found Gulliver and the ramifications are astonishing!!11!

Not Gulliver, a Brobdignagian.

98 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:46:23am

re: #44 EmmmieG

My son also has a couple models of Star Wars ships hanging from his ceiling.

I like the human imagination. It makes life worth living.

(Except at night, especially after watching 6th sense.)

The same outfit has a huge selection of Sci-Fi and Real Space models.
A couple of favorites:
Triangular Anti Gravity Space Craft TR-3-E Atlantis Models
In ufology, this is an alleged reverse-engineered craft from Area 51. The boxtop art is especially cool, showing a camouflaged version hovering over Machu-Picchu (woo-woo!).
From Hollywood comes the Forbidden Planet Starcruiser C57D with Crew 1-72 by Polar Lights This is huge, 28" across, and fits with the standard 1/72 model plane scale.

99 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:46:25am

Fox News isn't alone in the pimping of the story. So does Time Magazine. It takes six paragraphs (out of a 9 paragraph story) to note that there are skeptics to the claims.

MSNBC was quick to point out that this was likely the latest in a series of Ark frauds.

100 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:46:28am

The first rule of Biblical Archaemology: any fragment of ancient wood found on a middle eastern mountain must be from the Ark. Either that or the true cross.

101 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:47:43am

re: #95 Varek Raith

This is a far more important, far more amazing archaeological find.

Image: machine.jpg

It has the advantage of actually existing.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

102 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:48:35am

re: #101 Obdicut

This is a far more important, far more amazing archaeological find.

Image: machine.jpg

It has the advantage of actually existing.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Is that a part from Noah's arc-welder?

103 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:48:54am

re: #101 Obdicut

This is a far more important, far more amazing archaeological find.

Image: machine.jpg

It has the advantage of actually existing.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I saw a special about that on the HistoryConspiracy Channel. Very cool.

104 political lunatic  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:49:23am

OT: Remember that antiabortion law that Oklahoma passed a few days ago that requires women to get an ultrasound to get an abortion? They're at it again in Florida, only this doesn't apply to raped women, and they're forcing them to pay out of pocket for it:

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:50:26am

re: #59 Gus 802

Come on. Everyone knows that fire can't burn wet wood.

/

Tell it to Elijah.

106 Semper Fi  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:51:24am

Gotta head outdoors. It's outstanding weather and just on the breezy side but good for walking.
Have a nice day.

107 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:51:33am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Tell it to Elijah.

Elijah Wood... if he could. (apologies to Ralph Bakshi)

108 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:51:59am

quake

109 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:52:31am

Felt both waves that time - first a very sharp one, then a second later the rolling... ah, California, we're always movin'....

110 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:52:32am

re: #108 freetoken

quake

God is telling Duncan Hunter to shut the fuck up.

111 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:52:49am

re: #108 freetoken

quake

Small one?

112 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:53:25am

re: #108 freetoken

Nothing in LA...

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:53:36am

re: #95 Varek Raith

IT'S THE NEPHILIM!!11!!11
*Runs around screaming*

It's OK. They're dead. They can't hurt you.

114 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:53:54am

Boob quake?

115 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:53:58am

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

It's OK. They're dead. They can't hurt you.

Sure. That's what they want you to think.

116 Mark Pennington  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:53:58am

re: #78 Gus 802

That was found near the ancestral home of Count Chocula.

/

I've always been suspicious of Count Chocula. What kind of a freak lures kids into his dark, remote castle in the middle of nowhere to eat cereal? Chances are that he's either drinking their blood or...well...doing what you would expect a lavishly dressed, slender limbed foreigner with a serious mad on for kiddie cereal would do with a bunch of kids locked in his castle.

117 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:54:35am

re: #115 EmmmieG

Sure. That's what they want you to think.

Oh, shit...
Methinks we are screwed...
/

118 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:54:36am

Kobach gets a NYT op-ed.

119 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:54:37am

re: #116 beekiller

Parcheesi?

120 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:55:00am

re: #109 freetoken

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

121 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:55:22am

re: #116 beekiller

I wonder if he's related to Blackula?

122 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:55:33am

re: #108 freetoken

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

123 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:56:10am

re: #111 Varek Raith

Just a 4.4 out in the desert, along the mountains which have been rattling since the big one:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]


This one got my attention though because the sharp first wave, it really felt impressive... then the low rumbling.

124 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:56:36am

re: #109 freetoken

Felt both waves that time - first a very sharp one, then a second later the rolling... ah, California, we're always movin'...

4.4

my windows just rattled, it's so windy today I thought it was that!

125 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:57:09am

re: #99 lawhawk

Fox News isn't alone in the pimping of the story. So does Time Magazine. It takes six paragraphs (out of a 9 paragraph story) to note that there are skeptics to the claims.

MSNBC was quick to point out that this was likely the latest in a series of Ark frauds.

Fox News is alone in the absurdly credulous attitude they're taking to the story, though. It's quite obvious they're pandering to their fundamentalist audience.

126 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 10:58:45am

re: #118 lawhawk

Kobach gets a NYT op-ed.

He's been sent out on a PR offensive. He was also on the radio in LA yesterday. Not a single journalist so far has asked him about his connections to FAIR.

127 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:00:48am

re: #100 Jimmah

The first rule of Biblical Archaemology: any fragment of ancient wood found on a middle eastern mountain must be from the Ark. Either that or the true cross.

And the finger bones of saints are always sold in sets of five.

//

128 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:05:38am

re: #123 freetoken

Just a 4.4 out in the desert, along the mountains which have been rattling since the big one:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

This one got my attention though because the sharp first wave, it really felt impressive... then the low rumbling.

Contrary to current beliefs, the proper thing to do during an earthquake is to get inside a door frame or under a table, or someplace where shit won't fall on you. Going to the internet is NOT a safe option.
///

129 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:06:14am

So anyone else read The Salvation War after that one lizard posted about it the other day?

130 Mark Pennington  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:06:39am

re: #121 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder if he's related to Blackula?

haha!

I'm also suspicious of Quisp. He comes on all friendly and interesting, but he only wants to probe you.

131 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:07:16am

re: #128 darthstar

Contrary to current beliefs, the proper thing to do during an earthquake is to get inside a door frame or under a table, or someplace where shit won't fall on you. Going to the internet is NOT a safe option.
///

That's what I told the kids during geology (I left out the 4 letter words).

Despite what you see in movies, most people who die in an earthquake are not swallowed up by a crack in the ground. Most of them having something fall on their head, or their whole bodies.

Also, most people who die from volcanoes are not burned to death by lava. They suffocate.

It was a morbid couple of classes.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:09:13am

re: #131 EmmmieG

That's what I told the kids during geology (I left out the 4 letter words).

Despite what you see in movies, most people who die in an earthquake are not swallowed up by a crack in the ground. Most of them having something fall on their head, or their whole bodies.

Also, most people who die from volcanoes are not burned to death by lava. They suffocate.

It was a morbid couple of classes.

During the 1989 Loma Prieta quake, one of my friends was playing soccer in one of the big fields in Golden Gate Park. He said you could actually see the ground ripple.

133 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:09:57am

Interesting video; wish I could share the author's confidence :

The Internet: Where religions come to die

Youtube Video
134 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:10:27am

re: #126 Charles

Well, the bill may go to referendum in November as there are several petition drives underway. Under AZ law, the ballot measure would delay the enactment until at least after November, if not until November 2012 general election.

135 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:10:54am

Elsewhere on the pseudoscience front:

Alternative Health Guru Sues Company Over His Own Product

An alternative health guru is suing the company that makes his namesake supplement, claiming it nearly killed him with 1,000 times the recommended dose of Vitamin D.

Gary Null claims that the manufacterer of his line, Gary Null's Ultimate Power Meal, overloaded his products with Vitamin D resulting in severe kidney damage, causing intense pain after taking two daily servings of the supplement.

Gary Null, 65, creator of Gary Null's Ultimate Power Meal, accused Triarco Industries of New Jersey of "botching the testing and manufacturing of the supplement," his attorney, Leslie Fourton, told ABC News. The allegedly tainted batch also sent six other consumers to the hospital, Fourton said.

Null claims he suffered severe kidney damage and intense pain after consuming just two daily doses of the allegedly tainted supplement, which he mixed with water and drank. He experienced "extreme fatigue" and sought help from his doctor.

136 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:11:36am

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So anyone else read The Salvation War after that one lizard posted about it the other day?

Everyone hear should read the Salvation War! Where else will you get to see Bill Clinton kill a succubus with a shotgun, George Bush call out Karl Rove for being a cold hearted bastard, and Barrack Obama talk with Robert E. Lee?

Okay the last one hasn't happened yet but its bound to at some point.... (must go put bug in Stewarts ear...)

137 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:11:55am

re: #130 beekiller

haha!

I'm also suspicious of Quisp. He comes on all friendly and interesting, but he only wants to probe you.

And why are those cartoon cereal characters always trying to steal cereal? What message is the Twix Rabbit sending to our children?!

138 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:12:24am

I can't watch the video from where I am. Did they find any of Joan's armor?

139 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:13:01am

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

During the 1989 Loma Prieta quake, one of my friends was playing soccer in one of the big fields in Golden Gate Park. He said you could actually see the ground ripple.

We had water sloshing out of our swimming pool and we were down in Pasadena, 350 miles away.

140 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:13:07am

re: #128 darthstar

I have no fear, my iMac will protect me... that little Apple logo on the front repels all evil.

/Some people claim Steve Jobs created the universe. That's silly. Everyone knows it was the Woz who created it all.

141 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:13:11am

re: #138 fat bastard vegetarian

I can't watch the video from where I am. Did they find any of Joan's armor?

Well, they did find some +1 Plate Mail...

142 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:14:49am

re: #127 oaktree

And the finger bones of saints are always sold in sets of five.

//

Christianity is so much more sophisticated than other more primitive faiths. It's obviously the real deal!/

143 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:15:28am

re: #136 jamesfirecat

Everyone hear should read the Salvation War! Where else will you get to see Bill Clinton kill a succubus with a shotgun, George Bush call out Karl Rove for being a cold hearted bastard, and Barrack Obama talk with Robert E. Lee?

Okay the last one hasn't happened yet but its bound to at some point... (must go put bug in Stewarts ear...)

Or have Julius Caesar, Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus laughing about the Rome TV series, then take a portable DVD and use it to get legions of Demons to defect from Satan and join his army.

144 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:15:29am

OT - 10 tragic moments in food names

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:16:46am

re: #138 fat bastard vegetarian

I can't watch the video from where I am. Did they find any of Joan's armor?

There's an antiques dealer in Paris who believe he's got that.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:18:19am

re: #142 Jimmah

Christianity is so much more sophisticated than other more primitive faiths. It's obviously the real deal!/

"Look at me," I said to my husband. "Do you know what you are looking at? You are looking at a vain, foolish woman who left St. Peter's while the Pope was saying Mass to buy a splinter of the True Cross from a man who was wearing a dozen wristwatches."

(The one and only Erma Bombeck)

147 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:18:53am

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

During the 1989 Loma Prieta quake, one of my friends was playing soccer in one of the big fields in Golden Gate Park. He said you could actually see the ground ripple.


Mr. w was sitting in the Santa Cruz mountains during an earthquake in the 70's, and he said he saw the trees going up and then down.

149 charlz  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:21:39am

re: #131 EmmmieG

It was a morbid couple of classes.

I bet the kids loved it! Did you show pictures of the victims of Pompeii?

150 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:21:45am

re: #95 Varek Raith

IT'S THE NEPHILIM!!11!!11
*Runs around screaming*

I LOVE that stuff...

/turns CoasttoCoast AM back on...

151 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:21:47am

Conservatives Say "Don't Ask" Repeal Would Hurt Military Chaplains


A group of social conservatives and retired military chaplains held a press conference in Washington today to argue that the repeal of the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy would have an adverse impact on the religious freedom and careers of military chaplains.

Allowing gay men and women to serve openly in the armed forces "steals from the chaplain their religious freedom," according to retired military chaplain Col. Rich Young. He argued that chaplains will be "muzzled" if the policy passes and that "soldiers and families [will] no longer have the benefit of the full council of God."

Participants at the press conference suggested that chaplains who oppose gay marriage and believe homosexuality is immoral might see their careers hurt and lose the ability to honestly counsel service members.

Jordan Lorence of the Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative Christian non-profit group, said that repeal would mean that military policy will for the first time be "at odds with the major tenets of the major religions represented in the armed services."

Allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly will "create a crisis of conscience for the chaplains," he said.

Ministers assisting in war efforts by providing chaplaincy services? No problem. Tolerance for gays? Acute moral crisis!

152 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:22:07am

re: #147 wrenchwench

Mr. w was sitting in the Santa Cruz mountains during an earthquake in the 70's, and he said he saw the trees going up and then down.

Mr. w was enjoying some of the local resources, eh? Good for him!

153 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:22:24am

We occasionally have "quakes" in Virginia. Why is it that I seem to be the only one who feels them???
*Looks about in a paranoid fashion*

154 Mark Pennington  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:22:47am

re: #137 Mad Al-Jaffee

And why are those cartoon cereal characters always trying to steal cereal? What message is the Twix Rabbit sending to our children?!

hee!

The cereal killer is around the bend.

Oh, murdered cereal, how it does offend!

He's killing the Wheaties, he's killing the Trix,

The Eyewitness News tells the story at six.

Cops stand on the corner in a shuffling bunch;

That cereal killer has off'ed Captain Crunch.

A kick in the Grape Nuts, a knife to the neck;

Sugar frosting and milk spattered over the deck.

Frankenberry! Count Chocula! How thou art vexed!

That cereal killer could be after you next!

Oh! Who now can save us? Who will be our friend?

When that cereal killer, he comes 'round the bend?

155 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:22:51am

re: #149 charlz

I bet the kids loved it! Did you show pictures of the victims of Pompeii?

Oh, lots of pictures. Pompeii (with warning), Martinique, etc.

Only buildings for earthquakes, though.

156 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:24:09am

WOW! My Digiorno's pizza has the Virgin Mary burned into the pepperoni!

Wait. My mistake. But it does smell good.

157 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:24:17am

re: #61 KingKenrod

I find the Black Sea Deluge theory to be interesting and possible source of the flood myths from ancient religions.

It's a damned sight more plausible. tagging onto what elizajane pointed out in #33, the Black Sea deluge (all but proven to have actually happened, IIRC) is precisely the kind of event which could have triggered the various Ark stories.

158 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:26:26am

re: #144 Mad Al-Jaffee

OT - 10 tragic moments in food names

I always like the Pope's nose...though my mother about blew a gasket the first time she heard me say it (she's a pretty devout Irish Catholic - from Ireland, even)...I learned it when I lived with some Anglicans in Fiji when I was 15.

159 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:26:55am

re: #153 Varek Raith

We occasionally have "quakes" in Virginia. Why is it that I seem to be the only one who feels them???
*Looks about in a paranoid fashion*

The Lloigor or Cthonians are zeroing in on your postition.

160 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:27:13am

re: #158 darthstar

I always like the Pope's nose...though my mother about blew a gasket the first time she heard me say it (she's a pretty devout Irish Catholic - from Ireland, even)...I learned it when I lived with some Anglicans in Fiji when I was 15.

I first read the term in a Kinky Friedman book.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:28:27am

re: #160 Mad Al-Jaffee

I first read the term in a Kinky Friedman book.

Me too!

162 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:28:54am

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Lloigor or Cthonians are zeroing in on your postition.

Oh, Goody! I seem to have angered Cthulhu...

163 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:29:22am

Lunchtime - gotta dash. Have fun :)

164 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:29:32am

re: #147 wrenchwench

Mr. w was sitting in the Santa Cruz mountains during an earthquake in the 70's, and he said he saw the trees going up and then down.

Was he at the Mystery Spot?

165 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:30:09am

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too!

I forget which one it's in, but I remember it was part of the turkey that Ratso always wanted.

166 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:30:48am

re: #164 Jeff In Ohio

Was he at the Mystery Spot?

I've been there...love that place.

167 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:32:43am

re: #162 Varek Raith

Oh, Goody! I seem to have angered Cthulhu...

No, then you would just be having really bad dreams for now, maybe some cultist visits. Been in any caves lately?

168 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:34:07am

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, then you would just be having really bad dreams for now, maybe some cultist visits. Been in any caves lately?

No...

169 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:34:43am

At its outset, any claim that you have found Noah's Ark must be met with the greatest skepticism, not just because it is such a big and extraordinary claim, but because the odds of finding it are so very low - particularly if one uses a literalistic view of the Bible as a guide for recognizing the ark.

First off, anyone with a science education knows that if their is any truth to the Noah story, it is not in the context of all the life on Earth that would not like being submerged for 40 days riding to safety on a big boat. Size issues aside - as in it would have to be a Connecticut sized boat to do it - and carry enough food - we can note in passing that if the story happened as literally interpreted that all presently existing land creatures would descend from a common spot in Turkey where their ancestors spread out. The critters in Austraila and Central America simply do not fit that bill. Perhaps it did not flood there? OK maybe the ark - even though made of wood was a Tardis that was much bigger on the inside than the outside and it could fly really fast...

While we are at it, what about plants? Plants would be killed by the flood too. Noah did not go on a voyage of botany to collect samples from all over the world only to then sail around the world to put the ones from South America back in South America as distinct from the ones that only grow in Japan (which he would have had to re-plant there as well). We could easily dismiss the literal story any number of ways.

But let's take a modified view. Pretty much every civilization started on a river. Rivers flood. It is not at all unreasonable to expect an ancient tale of a hero who saved his family and livestock by riding out a flood on a ship.

So what is the truth of the story?

The truth of the story of the flood is that human beings can corrupt the Earth, and that there are grave consequences for it. The phrase corrupt the Earth is the literal Hebrew. The idea that men can poinson the land with their actions is very forward thinking and revolutionary. Most people still do not get it. The truth is that we can fail as custodians of this planet in such a way that we perish and that only a few will be left to start over. There is very sound science to back that up. Why for that matter does the Torah spend time on the flood? Is it to tell us something about science and how to care for animals, or is it a way to communicate to the ancient mind that our actions have global consequences? Obviously it is about the morality of our actions.

My point here is that people who fall for these things and watch Fox manage to miss out on both the science and what the real message of the Bible is on this point. By reducing the Ark to a sham entertainment and some sort of "proof" that their religious views are "scientifically validated" they miss the implication that they have to not corrupt the earth. These are the same people who will tell you that AGW is a hoax and whine about "tree huggers." Interestingly enough, the fact that they claim Carbon 14 dating validates this fraud is especially entertaining. After all, these same sorts dispute Carbon 14 dating when it comes to evolution.

It is a fail all the way around. What it proves more than anything else is that people enjoy not having to think.

170 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:37:17am

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF

At its outset, any claim that you have found Noah's Ark must be met with the greatest skepticism, not just because it is such a big and extraordinary claim, but because the odds of finding it are so very low - particularly if one uses a literalistic view of the Bible as a guide for recognizing the ark.

First off, anyone with a science education knows that if there is any truth to the Noah story, it is not in the context of all the life on Earth that would not like being submerged for 40 days riding to safety on a big boat. Size issues aside - as in it would have to be at least a Connecticut sized boat to do it - and carry enough food - we can note in passing, that if the story happened as literally interpreted that all presently existing land creatures would descend from a common spot in Turkey where their ancestors spread out. The critters in Austraila and Central America simply do not fit that bill. Perhaps it did not flood there? OK maybe the ark - even though made of wood was a Tardis that was much bigger on the inside than the outside and it could fly really fast...

While we are at it, what about plants? Plants would be killed by the flood too. Noah did not go on a voyage of botany to collect samples from all over the world only to then sail around the world to put the ones from South America back in South America as distinct from the ones that only grow in Japan (which he would have had to re-plant there as well). We could easily dismiss the literal story any number of ways.

But let's take a modified view. Pretty much every civilization started on a river. Rivers flood. It is not at all unreasonable to expect an ancient tale of a hero who saved his family and livestock by riding out a flood on a ship.

So what is the truth of the story?

The truth of the story of the flood is that human beings can corrupt the Earth, and that there are grave consequences for it. The phrase corrupt the Earth is the literal Hebrew. The idea that men can poison the land with their actions is very forward thinking and revolutionary. It is also literally true. Most people still do not get that. The truth is that we can fail as custodians of this planet in such a way that we perish and that only a few will be left to start over. There is very sound science to back that up. Why for that matter does the Torah spend time on the flood? Is it to tell us something about science and how to care for animals, or is it a way to communicate to the ancient mind that our actions have global consequences? Obviously it is about the morality of our actions.

My point here is that people who fall for these things and watch Fox manage to miss out on both the science and what the real message of the Bible is on this point. By reducing the Ark to a sham entertainment and some sort of "proof" that their religious views are "scientifically validated" they miss the implication that they have to not corrupt the earth. These are the same people who will tell you that AGW is a hoax and whine about "tree huggers." Interestingly enough, the fact that they claim Carbon 14 dating validates this fraud is especially entertaining. After all, these same sorts dispute Carbon 14 dating when it comes to evolution.

It is a fail all the way around. What it proves more than anything else is that people enjoy not having to think.

171 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:37:56am

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote

I sometimes question whether or not your religious views negatively affect your take on science, but you always prove me wrong with posts like this.

Thank you.

172 philosophus invidius  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:38:16am

I recommend the following video for more background

Youtube Video
173 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:38:48am

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote


First off, anyone with a science education half a brain knows that there are better things to do then chase unicorns in the moonlight.

FTFY!

174 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:39:17am

re: #162 Varek Raith

Oh, Goody! I seem to have angered Cthulhu...

I HIGHLY recommend this book:

Youtube Video

The Necronomicon...heh.

175 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:39:29am

The Noah's Flood tale is a remake of the older Gilgamesh Flood epic.

The Bible never has cited its sources.

Slightly OT - Adobe Flash is now the #1 public enemy of Apple - and Flash is destroying my PC with virus add-ons that Norton can't find.

As a technology lite user - any of you experts have a suggestion?

Thanks.

176 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:40:06am

re: #170 LudwigVanQuixote

I have always wondered if the Earth was flooded where did all that water go?
If it evaporated then how could it stop raining?

177 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:40:31am

re: #168 Varek Raith

No...

You've been experimenting with theoretical math in a Non-Euclidean quantum space again, haven't you?

178 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:41:01am

re: #166 darthstar

I've been there...love that place.

Yah, it's tres cool. I always thought they called those the Yellow Mountains, but I might be thinking of something else. I use to do 'bizness' in Santa Cruz when Xerox had a digital printing facility there.

179 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:41:49am

re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You've been experimenting with theoretical math in a Non-Euclidean quantum space again, haven't you?

Ah, Crap!!!

180 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:41:58am

re: #175 Linden Arden

The Noah's Flood tale is a remake of the older Gilgamesh Flood epic.

The Bible never has cited its sources.

Slightly OT - Adobe Flash is now the #1 public enemy of Apple - and Flash is destroying my PC with virus add-ons that Norton can't find.

As a technology lite user - any of you experts have a suggestion?

Thanks.

I read Steve Jobs spiel about Adobe Flash today. He completely lost all credibility for he mentioned Fox News. I will never buy apple again.

/

181 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:42:21am

re: #175 Linden Arden

The Bible never has cited its sources.

Well, Paul cited a Greek philosopher once. Not by name, but he did say it was sourced.

182 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:42:26am

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote

Nice.

I have a Christian pastor friend who is fond of telling the story of the Loaves and Fishes. Basically, her simple premise is that Jesus didn't turn five fishes and two loaves (or was it five loaves and two fishes?) into food for thousands. The miracle (she puts forth) is that Jesus was able to get a group of five thousand people who had walked miles to see/hear him to share the food that they would've brought with them (really, no one would have thought to pack a lunch?) with each other.

That is a better narrative, in my opinion.

As a Christian, I believe many of the stories of the Bible and of Christ are indeed true and many have other very plausible explanations.

I'm probably gonna burn in hell for thinking that... but... well, there are other reasons...

183 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:42:34am

re: #164 Jeff In Ohio

Was he at the Mystery Spot?

It's a mystery to me...

Probably not. He was caretaker on some private land for a year. Lived in a tent.

184 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:42:51am

re: #179 Varek Raith

Ah, Crap!!!

Quick, divide by zero and the resulting paradox should be enough to cover your escape.

185 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:44:14am

re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Quick, divide by zero and the resulting paradox should be enough to cover your escape.

Divide by zero is how I balance my checkbook.

186 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:44:39am

re: #171 Obdicut

I sometimes question whether or not your religious views negatively affect your take on science, but you always prove me wrong with posts like this.

Thank you.

My religious view is that if G-d reveald the Torah through prohecy to Moses, he needed to reveal something that could be understood by Moses - who was after all someone who lived in the ancient world. The point of Torah is not to teach people Quantum Physics. It is to teach people how to live their lives. The word Torah literally means instruction. It is instructions for life.

If you are sanguine about that it becomes easy to move past the contradictions between science and Torah. If you want to communicate the great truth that we really do have responsibility to each other and in this case the planet we live on - lest we perish - to Moses and then everyone else who reads the book then the story of the flood makes a huge amount of sense.

187 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:45:29am

re: #176 HoosierHoops

Hoops! Saw a sign in a restaurant earlier and thought of you. It said,

"We only serve the finest California Wines here. Did you bring any?"

188 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:46:44am

re: #186 LudwigVanQuixote

Is the story of Jonah living in the belly of a whale literal or metaphorical?

189 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:46:55am

BBT

190 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:47:04am

re: #186 LudwigVanQuixote

You do realize that nearly half of the US adults believe Genesis is literally true?

191 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:47:25am

re: #182 fat bastard vegetarian

Blessed are the cheese makers?

192 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:47:36am

re: #190 freetoken

You do realize that nearly half of the US adults believe Genesis is literally true?

I fall into the category of believing that Genesis isn't about how and when, but about who and why.

193 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:47:39am

re: #176 HoosierHoops

I have always wondered if the Earth was flooded where did all that water go?
If it evaporated then how could it stop raining?

I've wondered if anyone's calculated the amount of water required to cover this planet to a depth which would float a boat to anywhere near the top of a 16,945 foot mountain.

/even to the 12,000 elevation, where these schmucks claim to have found the Ark

194 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:47:43am

re: #190 freetoken

You do realize that nearly half of the US adults believe Genesis is literally true?

About 60% IIRC.

195 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:47:51am

Gotta go assemble a lego set. Later!

196 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:48:15am

re: #176 HoosierHoops

I have always wondered if the Earth was flooded where did all that water go?
If it evaporated then how could it stop raining?

Well conservation of energy would be yet another big issue with the story.

Again, if you are looking to the Bible to be a science book, you are missing the point.

The point - which was rather clearly stated at the outset of the story is that it is possible for a society to become so wicked that the Earth itself becomes twisted.

Now when I write here about the morality of AGW and I point out that all that carbon goes up form all that third world exploitation, that we support evil regimes that have fossil fuels, that we fight wars and murder over them - and then this in addition to polluting our souls pollutes the Earth literally, in a way that will kill us, the flood is exactly what I am thinking of from a religious view.

197 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:48:24am

re: #193 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I've wondered if anyone's calculated the amount of water required to cover this planet to a depth which would float a boat to anywhere near the top of a 16,945 foot mountain.

/even to the 12,000 elevation, where these schmucks claim to have found the Ark

Hey! I've seen the posters for 2012. There was water all around the Himalayas.

198 Locker  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:48:38am

I fall into a smaller percentage that don't believe Genesis and the rest of the bible are anything more than mythological stories.

199 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:48:39am

re: #188 Linden Arden

Is the story of Jonah living in the belly of a whale literal or metaphorical?

Why would you even ask such a silly question?

200 Mark Pennington  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:48:58am

Duty calls, Lizards. I'm off to take the kids at my treatment center to the zoo. I don't even need my assistant counselor today because I've had half a pot of coffee. I can handle all 30 of them by myself. They should reconsider letting me drive the bus though. ;)

I hope you all have a great day!

201 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:49:14am

re: #190 freetoken

You do realize that nearly half of the US adults believe Genesis is literally true?

Yes, and that is where we have failed as both scientists and theologians as a society.

202 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:49:34am

re: #188 Linden Arden

Is the story of Jonah living in the belly of a whale literal or metaphorical?

Youtube Video
203 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:49:54am

re: #180 Oh no...Sand People!

I read Steve Jobs spiel about Adobe Flash today. He completely lost all credibility for he mentioned Fox News. I will never buy apple again.

Heh, I couldn't find any mention of "Fox News" in the Jobs' posting:

Thoughts on Flash

Still, I bet the iPad makes it on Fox News talking heads' desk.

204 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:49:59am

re: #191 Mad Al-Jaffee

Blessed are the cheese makers?

Oh, shut up; bignose.

205 sagehen  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:50:14am

re: #176 HoosierHoops

I have always wondered if the Earth was flooded where did all that water go?
If it evaporated then how could it stop raining?

When the ice age ended about 10k years ago and glaciers retreated hundreds of miles, sea level rose a bunch. Probably pretty quickly in some places.

Since people all lived near water, there'd be flooding. Every place the storyteller had ever been, the entire known world, was washed away.

206 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:50:25am

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Why would you even ask such a silly question?

To let you demonstrate your wit.

207 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:50:40am

re: #204 fat bastard vegetarian

Oh, shut up; bignose.

Who are you then, Goliath's big brother?

208 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:50:47am

re: #193 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I've wondered if anyone's calculated the amount of water required to cover this planet to a depth which would float a boat to anywhere near the top of a 16,945 foot mountain.

/even to the 12,000 elevation, where these schmucks claim to have found the Ark

Yes these things are calculated believe it or don't 12000 feet we would not get, there is not enough water on the planet, however 200 feet is coming soon (say 300 years) to a planet near you if we don't change our ways now.

209 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:51:14am

re: #188 Linden Arden

Is the story of Jonah living in the belly of a whale literal or metaphorical?

What does the Book of Jonah want to teach you? The lesson is that you can not run away from your responsibility.

210 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:51:32am

re: #206 Linden Arden

To let you demonstrate your wit.

You could have asked him if he believes David circumcising the Philistines was literal....

211 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:52:14am

re: #208 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn... Walter's gonna own some fine ass beachfront property. In the Rockies; at 8,000 feet.

212 sagehen  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:52:21am

re: #190 freetoken

You do realize that nearly half of the US adults believe Genesis is literally true?

Nearly half of US adults are below average intelligence.

213 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:53:06am

re: #208 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes these things are calculated believe it or don't 12000 feet we would not get, there is not enough water on the planet, however 200 feet is coming soon (say 300 years) to a planet near you if we don't change our ways now.

Back to my original, I should have indicated my sarcasm. My fault. Sorry.

214 Spider Mensch  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:53:08am

re: #195 Oh no...Sand People!

Gotta go assemble a lego set. Later!

here
[Link: www.thebricktestament.com...]

might as well stay on topic...build this..report back to us when you're finished..)))))

215 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:53:12am

re: #182 fat bastard vegetarian

Nice.

I have a Christian pastor friend who is fond of telling the story of the Loaves and Fishes. Basically, her simple premise is that Jesus didn't turn five fishes and two loaves (or was it five loaves and two fishes?) into food for thousands. The miracle (she puts forth) is that Jesus was able to get a group of five thousand people who had walked miles to see/hear him to share the food that they would've brought with them (really, no one would have thought to pack a lunch?) with each other.

That is a better narrative, in my opinion.

As a Christian, I believe many of the stories of the Bible and of Christ are indeed true and many have other very plausible explanations.

I'm probably gonna burn in hell for thinking that... but... well, there are other reasons...

NAh, I think G-d gave you a big brain with the expectation that you would use it.

216 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:53:19am

re: #212 sagehen

Nearly half of US adults are below average intelligence.

I am from the percentage of my graduating class that made the top 80% possible.

217 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:54:05am

re: #202 Stanley Sea

I am so disappointed. I thought I would see the great Tom Waits and his great 'Belly of the Whale'.

Well, de gusitbus.

218 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:54:11am

re: #212 sagehen

Nearly half of US adults are below average intelligence.

One-quarter of Americans are retarded.

//South Park reference

219 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:54:35am

re: #193 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I've wondered if anyone's calculated the amount of water required to cover this planet to a depth which would float a boat to anywhere near the top of a 16,945 foot mountain.

/even to the 12,000 elevation, where these schmucks claim to have found the Ark

I have. You would need roughly 400M cubic miles on top of the 400M cubic miles in the oceans today. The amount of free water on the Earth would have to be doubled.

220 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:55:37am

re: #217 Linden Arden

I am so disappointed. I thought I would see the great Tom Waits and his great 'Belly of the Whale'.

Well, de gusitbus.

Sorry! :)

221 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:55:47am

re: #218 Alouette

One-quarter of Americans are retarded.

//South Park reference

If you use teenage boys as your reference, it's higher than that.

The total would include all high school teachers everywhere, kids from other high schools, younger brothers, older brothers, girls that won't talk to them, relatives who don't show up with cash, and their friends on a case-by-case basis.

222 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:56:04am
Youtube Video

Howsabout some "Magic of Zamfir"...

223 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:56:59am

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel

I have. You would need roughly 400M cubic miles on top of the 400M cubic miles in the oceans today. The amount of free water on the Earth would have to be doubled.

Thanks.

224 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:57:39am

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel

I have. You would need roughly 400M cubic miles on top of the 400M cubic miles in the oceans today. The amount of free water on the Earth would have to be doubled.

God stores the extra water on Europa.

225 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:57:51am

I'm leaving work early today. Have fun and be nice everyone!

226 sagehen  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:58:00am

re: #198 Locker

I fall into a smaller percentage that don't believe Genesis and the rest of the bible are anything more than mythological stories.

My rabbi was... possibly unconventional. He told us it was a reading lesson.

"And Moses told the tribes, if we're going to build a lasting civilization, we need reading and writing. Let us invent an alphabet. And to make it so everyone can be literate, let's write down stories that everybody's heard many times, so you'll know what word should come next when you're learning to decipher the squiggles..."

People of the Book.

227 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:58:39am

'Compelling' evidence of life on Mars: Nasa

A special mission to the Red Planet has revealed the presence of a form of pond scum — the building blocks of life as we know it, reports the Sun.

228 Locker  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:58:44am

re: #222 fat bastard vegetarian

Downding! I had successfully purged that caterwauling until you brought it back! Evil!

(Ok so I really didn't downding you but still...)

229 Linden Arden  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:59:40am

re: #220 Stanley Sea

Of course I was jesting.

But now I will have to go to YouTube to see which version of 'Belly' ranks first.

You inspired me.

230 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:59:43am

re: #222 fat bastard vegetarian

Some time back on an overnight thread I posted mp3s of versions of El Condor Pasa. Some beautiful ones are out there, and a lot of trashy ones too.

MP3 Audio
231 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 11:59:52am

re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We can take over Mars with a half a cup of Clorox.

232 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:00:22pm

The Art of Onfim: Medieval Novgorod Through the Eyes of a Child

The drawings from Novgorod that we have found appear to all come from a Russian boy named Onfim, who lived at the end of the twelfth century or beginning of the thirteenth century in the city of Novgorod. By the estimate of the archaeologists who unearthed his works, he was around seven years old at the time that he made these drawings.
233 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:00:28pm

re: #231 fat bastard vegetarian

We can take over Mars with a half a cup of Clorox.

Stop with the empire building already.

234 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:00:33pm

re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

'Compelling' evidence of life on Mars: Nasa

A special mission to the Red Planet has revealed the presence of a form of pond scum — the building blocks of life politics as we know it, reports the Sun.

FTFThem

235 HAL2010  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:01:03pm

Talkorigins has pretty much debunked much of the flood myth.

This section should be of particular interest.

Their FAQ was made into a very good book, which I would recommend anyone to buy. Can't remember its name though, but Its on amazon.

236 CarleeCork  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #190 freetoken

You do realize that nearly half of the US adults believe Genesis is literally true?


Scary isn't it?

237 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:01:49pm

re: #231 fat bastard vegetarian

We can take over Mars with a half a cup of Clorox.

Acchhh! You xenocidal brute! If these Martians really are pond scum we can put them to work selling mobile homes and writing pop-up codes.

238 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:02:03pm

re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

'Compelling' evidence of life on Mars: Nasa

"A special mission to the Red Planet has revealed the presence of a form of pond scum — the building blocks of life as we know it, reports the Sun."

We are all made in the image of God - and out of pond scum.

239 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:02:36pm

re: #209 Alouette

What does the Book of Jonah want to teach you? The lesson is that you can not run away from your responsibility.

You beat me to it!

240 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:02:44pm

re: #221 EmmmieG

If you use teenage boys as your reference, it's higher than that.

The total would include all high school teachers everywhere, kids from other high schools, younger brothers, older brothers, girls that won't talk to them, relatives who don't show up with cash, and their friends on a case-by-case basis.

Emmie...I disagree with you on the rarest of occasions...

but i would like to suggest that teenage boys do crazy THINGS, while teenage girls are CRAZY.

huuuge difference;)

241 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:03:29pm

re: #222 fat bastard vegetarian

[Video]Howsabout some "Magic of Zamfir"...

Back in 1989 I was doing some work as a summer camp counselor for a Wilderness School for at risk kids. NWA's "fuck the police" was a popular song amongst the kids, and at the base camp where I had them three days a week (the other four they spent white-water rafting, mountain climbing, etc.) the old guy who was the caretaker played Zamfir each night on his stereo...the kids would walk around singing, "Fuck the Zamfir..."

242 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:03:58pm

re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here's a slightly better worded version of the story:

NASA reveals life as we know it on Mars

It's not that "Pond Scum" as a living organism was found, but that conditions for such may be found on Mars.

243 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:05:04pm

re: #240 Aceofwhat?

Emmie...I disagree with you on the rarest of occasions...

but i would like to suggest that teenage boys do crazy THINGS, while teenage girls are CRAZY.

huuuge difference;)

You haven't met my nephew. I once listed off things for his opinion. It took about eight things to reach one thing that was rated "not retarded."

Just for the record, it was his parents' remodeling of the room we were in. leather comfy chairs, a big tv, an aquarium, and a computer desk.

244 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:05:30pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

You're saying there was a Birch society even back then?
Killgore, how could you?!
I'm SHOCKED!

/and teasing, too

245 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:05:58pm

re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

'Compelling' evidence of life on Mars: Nasa

we will absolutely find evidence of life on Mars if we look hard enough.

it'll actually get interesting once/if we can discern whether it arose as a result of ejecta from the earth or completely separate processes.

246 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:06:02pm

re: #241 darthstar

I remember they peddled a "The Magic Of Zamfir" record on TV. About the same time as Boxcar Willie and Slim Whitman.

I'd never heard of any of them... they had sold millions and millions of albums...

But, if we send Slim Whitman to Mars...

247 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:06:28pm

re: #209 Alouette

What does the Book of Jonah want to teach you? The lesson is that you can not run away from your responsibility.

The Books of Jonah, Job and Esther were writtten as works of fiction, they were part of a debate on various points of jewish doctrine and fainth.

They were not meant to be taken literally. But they are taken literally by people who insist that it cannot be otherwise.

248 CarleeCork  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:07:21pm

I wonder what percentage of Americans know of the Gilgamesh flood story? How about Jefferson's Bible?

249 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:07:26pm

re: #17 Gus 802

Yes. It's all true! Noah, Japheth, Shem, and Ham also went on to "father" the people of East Asia, Africa, the Aborigines of Australia or American Indians all within 5,000 years. The polar bears were said to be rather grumpy about having to walk all the way back to their northern homes from Turkey. This was known because polar bears could talk and Noah lived to the ripe old age of 950 years.

//

It is all true, just ask Ken Ham from the "creation museum" they even have a graphic that shows how all of mankind has descended from Noah's three sons. Along with proving how the fossils found by those evilution scientists actually can fit with the biblical 6000 year old earth story...

Image: noahs_descendants.jpg

///of course they don't mention why or how Noah had so much...uhh..."sperm diversity?"

250 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:08:18pm

re: #242 freetoken

Here's a slightly better worded version of the story:

NASA reveals life as we know it on Mars

It's not that "Pond Scum" as a living organism was found, but that conditions for such may be found on Mars.

Just wait for it. "But what about what was there before the scum? AHA, ANOTHER GAP!"

251 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:08:27pm

re: #243 EmmmieG

You haven't met my nephew. I once listed off things for his opinion. It took about eight things to reach one thing that was rated "not retarded."

Just for the record, it was his parents' remodeling of the room we were in. leather comfy chairs, a big tv, an aquarium, and a computer desk.

oh, i see what you mean. so true. when i was 8, i think my list consisted of star wars items, sports cars, and kickball.

252 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:09:13pm

Waiting on an appointment in a hotel lobby. Wearing earbuds... man across the lobby is talking on the cellphone like it's a tin can with a string.

I'm hard of hearing, am twenty yards from the dude and can understand every damn word he's saying.

253 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:09:23pm

re: #246 fat bastard vegetarian

I remember they peddled a "The Magic Of Zamfir" record on TV. About the same time as Boxcar Willie and Slim Whitman.

I'd never heard of any of them... they had sold millions and millions of albums...

But, if we send Slim Whitman to Mars...

I loved Boxcar Willie... Mule Train!

Youtube Video
254 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:10:19pm

Client work suddenly calls.
Later, all.

255 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:10:48pm

re: #252 fat bastard vegetarian

Waiting on an appointment in a hotel lobby. Wearing earbuds... man across the lobby is talking on the cellphone like it's a tin can with a string.

I'm hard of hearing, am twenty yards from the dude and can understand every damn word he's saying.

once he's finished, you should ask him about different parts of the conversation and wait for him to try to tell you it's none of your business/

256 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:13:01pm

re: #249 ausador

It is all true, just ask Ken Ham from the "creation museum" they even have a graphic that shows how all of mankind has descended from Noah's three sons. Along with proving how the fossils found by those evilution scientists actually can fit with the biblical 6000 year old earth story...

Image: noahs_descendants.jpg

///of course they don't mention why or how Noah had so much...uhh..."sperm diversity?"

Of course the Caucasian resembles Ward Cleaver.

257 bosforus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:13:58pm
Video: Fox News Pimps Bogus Noah's Ark Story

Turned on the TV before leaving for work right when the interview started. It gave me a chuckle to see her so disappointed.

258 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:14:18pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

Of course the Caucasian resembles Ward Cleaver.

With access to modern hair styling products and equipment.

259 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:14:39pm

re: #253 darthstar

Fantastic!

260 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:15:21pm

re: #249 ausador


Image: noahs_descendants.jpg


Crap...we're related?

261 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:15:36pm

re: #259 fat bastard vegetarian

Fantastic!

He's pretty good with that train whistle.

262 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:18:01pm

re: #182 fat bastard vegetarian

And blessed were though who brought the extra mustard...

;)

263 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:18:37pm

DAMMIT VAREK, NOW LOOK WHAT YOU DID!

Image: 129152509185804670.jpg

264 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:18:39pm

re: #196 LudwigVanQuixote

Also.. Right after the great flood for the first time in 4.6 Billion years.. Light refracted at 23.5 degrees though water particles and caused the first rainbow.
/

265 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:18:53pm

Heh...someone just posted this over at the Great Orange Satan...it's actually a pretty good graphic, and one we should take note of:

Image: 3222633013_9cc450797a.jpg

266 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:19:07pm

re: #258 EmmmieG

With access to modern hair styling products and equipment.

Ulysses: Hold on, I don't want this pomade. I want Dapper Dan.

Vendor: I don't carry Dapper Dan, I carry Fop.

Ulysses: Well, I don't want Fop, goddamn it! I'm a Dapper Dan man!

Vendor: Watch your language, young feller, this is a public market. Now if you want Dapper Dan, I can order it for you, have it in a couple of weeks.

Ulysses: Well, ain't this place a geographical oddity. Two weeks from everywhere!

267 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:19:19pm

re: #261 darthstar

A really do like the sound of a train whistle off in the distance. My house is two miles from (the correct side, of course) the tracks... just haunting...

268 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:20:03pm

re: #247 ralphieboy

The Books of Jonah, Job and Esther were writtten as works of fiction, they were part of a debate on various points of jewish doctrine and fainth.

They were not meant to be taken literally. But they are taken literally by people who insist that it cannot be otherwise.

You are talking about three different works from three very different periods of history. You really can not compare them.

The Story of Jonah, as Alouette pointed out correctly is one ofif you think you can escape your responsibility you are wrong because your responsibility will find you. Was he literally swallowed by a whale, or does it simply mean that after he was cast out of the ship, he found himself on an island where he went through a serious dark time of the soul that could be metaphorically described as being in the belly of a whale? After all, the world will eat you whether you run from it or not - and that is a true statement whether we like it or not.

The Story of Ruth is from a much earlier period. It does two things:
1. It tells you how to convert to Judaism if you choose to.
2. It establishes the legitimacy of David's line.

The story of Esther is a very late story. The message there is that if you are a Jew who tries to assimilate into a culture - even to the extent of completely renouncing your own and being indistinguishable from your neighbors, your neighbors will still see you as a Jew. This is something that all too many German Jews learned very recently. It is also a true fact. The end result of it is, since this is the case, you might as well be a Jew and do that right.

269 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:20:46pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

Of course the Caucasian resembles Ward Cleaver.

Just think over 40,000 children a year between 6 and 13 years of age are shuttled thru there in school/home school groups and told that that represents biblical science every year.

270 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:21:41pm

re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

'Compelling' evidence of life on Mars: Nasa

I guess the real question is how soon FOX reports on it regarding whether the scum votes Democratic or Republican.

271 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:21:57pm

re: #118 lawhawk

Kobach gets a NYT op-ed.

My least favorite part of that:

Kris W. Kobach, a law professor at the University of Missouri at Kansas City, was Attorney General John Ashcroft’s chief adviser on immigration law and border security from 2001 to 2003.
272 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:23:00pm

re: #270 oaktree

I guess the real question is how soon FOX reports on it regarding whether the scum votes Democratic or Republican.

Well... it's scum. What do you think they'll say...

(tee hee)

273 tradewind  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:23:05pm

What could go wrong?//
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Gives new meaning to the phrase ' cognitive dissonance'.

274 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:24:32pm

re: #260 darthstar

Crap...we're related?

Shhhh...don't say that too loudly, the guys over at Stormfront might hear you and have an aneurysm or something once they see that graphic.

/

275 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:25:28pm

re: #273 tradewind

What could go wrong?//
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Gives new meaning to the phrase ' cognitive dissonance'.

well...to be fair, it's the Commission on the Status of Women, not the Commission to Improve the Status of Women.

Iran certainly has opinions about the status of women...

276 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:25:40pm

re: #274 ausador

Shhh...don't say that too loudly, the guys over at Stormfront might hear you and have an aneurysm or something once they see that graphic.

/

And the downside would be...?

277 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:27:19pm

New post:

Why I hate Republicans part 3379...

[Link: www.frumforum.com...]

This post is from Frum forum. I like David Frum as much as I like any Republican. The article is talking about AGW and AGW policy.

The planned push for a bipartisan climate and energy bill by Senators Graham, Lieberman and Kerry has stalled after Sen. Reid decided immigration pandering was more important. Public pressure for climate legislation is muted, as polls show concern about global warming is waning while skepticism that it’s human-caused is waxing.

The conservative base may be even less interested in a climate-bill compromise than it was in a health reform compromise. On healthcare, many conservatives had come to agree there was a serious problem, even if the proposed solution was misguided. On climate change, the main conservative rallying point these days is along the lines of “it’s a hoax,” rather than that proposed mitigation measures are poorly constructed.

Given all that, it will be tempting for Republican politicians to just say no to any bill aimed at addressing climate change. This would be a mistake, on both policy and political grounds. For one thing, views that global warming is not happening or not human-caused remain at odds with mainstream scientific opinion. Recent reports that clear “Climategate” scientists of wrongdoing might be part of a “conspiracy so vast” or some such, but a political party embracing such a claim risks looking foolish and paranoid.

For another thing, the weakened momentum for climate legislation gives an opportunity for Republicans to place a conservative imprint on any bill that might go forward. That would mean the legislation should include such elements as these:

It goes on to emphasize the reality that climate legislation will still likely come to pass and it even makes some reasonable policy additions that should be added to put a "conservative stamp" on such legislation.

What bothers me more than anything, is that nowhere in this analysis is a discussion that goes, "hey, this is real and bad things will happen if we do not act." It is about polls and politics. It is not about scientific reasns to be concerned and act appropriately regardless of whether or not fools who take part in polls see it favorably. This is not a game, yet the best and most reasonable of the GOP see this as a cold political calculation.

278 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:27:25pm

re: #275 Aceofwhat?

well...to be fair, it's the Commission on the Status of Women, not the Commission to Improve the Status of Women.

Iran certainly has opinions about the status of women...

If they are the only representatives of the middle ages on a 45 member panel, that's not too bad. If they are part of a large caucus, different story.

279 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:28:54pm

re: #272 fat bastard vegetarian

Well... it's scum. What do you think they'll say...

(tee hee)

It might be oppressed conservative scum however...

280 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:31:05pm

Okay, so Iran is elected to the commission on women. Look at the council on human rights.

This is the UN we are talking about. If you are looking for truth, effectiveness, and efficacy, look elsewhere.

281 tradewind  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:31:24pm

re: #275 Aceofwhat?
The mad mullahs must have overlooked the fine print that explains that the commission is "

dedicated exclusively to gender equality and advancement of women.


Whoopsy.
Still, no worries. The blue helmets have an excellent track record when it comes to protecting the dignity of women and girls worldwide.//

282 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:31:40pm

re: #269 ausador

Just think over 40,000 children a year between 6 and 13 years of age are shuttled thru there in school/home school groups and told that that represents biblical science every year.

They're using Tea Party math.

283 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:32:01pm

re: #280 EmmmieG

Okay, so Iran is elected to the commission on women. Look at the council on human rights.

This is the UN we are talking about. If you are looking for truth, effectiveness, and efficacy, look elsewhere.

ZOMFG

284 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:32:03pm

Mixed verdict in NYC case against a cop seen on a video shoving a cyclist.

A former New York City police officer has been convicted of lying about a clash with a bike-riding activist. But the ex-officer has been cleared of the assault and harassment charges stemming from the Times Square confrontation.

Jurors delivered their verdict Thursday in the criminal case against Patrick Pogan.

The Manhattan trial underscored tensions between the city's police and a group of pro-cycling demonstrators.

The case also highlighted the growing prevalence of witness videos in law enforcement.

Pogan initially reported that cyclist Christopher Long steered into him and knocked him down in July 2008. A tourist's video replayed on YouTube contradicted Pogan's account.

285 Truth Stick  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:38:23pm

I'm almost positive that the ark, was recycled and all the timber chopped up and used to make MDF or wood pellets for stoves. It was the first true green built ship

/

286 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:38:29pm

re: #280 EmmmieG

Okay, so Iran is elected to the commission on women. Look at the council on human rights.

This is the UN we are talking about. If you are looking for truth, effectiveness, and efficacy, look elsewhere.


Was Congo not available?
//

287 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:38:42pm

A very cool documentary: BBilly The Kid

About a mentally handicapped kid. Not sure what he has but it seems like mild Autism or Aspergers Syndrome.

288 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:38:42pm

re: #280 EmmmieG

Okay, so Iran is elected to the commission on women. Look at the council on human rights.

This is the UN we are talking about. If you are looking for truth, effectiveness, and efficacy, look elsewhere.

Yeah but that works both ways, I just found out that they are appointing me to the committee for sending flowers to neo-nazis, communist thugs, jihadis and social conservatives.

///

Oh wait, that's the Human Rights commission isn't it...

Give me five minutes with them and my handy dandy microwave laser and we will sort things out...

I can see it now... Repeat after me, torture is bad...

NO - ok let me stimulate your pain centers - don't worry, it only feels like you are burning up.

Much screaming...

Irony is beautiful isn't it? Do you think that's bad now? I am so glad that the committee agrees that torture is bad.

Now on to the question of human rights around the world...

(turns up the setting) The delegate from China will now experience what it feels like to be a Tibetan....

289 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:39:30pm

Ha ha ha!

Rielle Hunter: I was helping John Edwards find his 'authentic self'

This is wholly accurate, since he is an authentic dick.

290 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:40:33pm

re: #278 Decatur Deb

If they are the only representatives of the middle ages on a 45 member panel, that's not too bad. If they are part of a large caucus, different story.

It is a commission to demonize Israel at the expense of America. That is all it ever was for the last decade.

291 Kragar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:41:05pm

re: #289 Shiplord Kirel

Ha ha ha!

Rielle Hunter: I was helping John Edwards find his 'authentic self'

in bed.

292 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:42:58pm

re: #290 LudwigVanQuixote

It is a commission to demonize Israel at the expense of America. That is all it ever was for the last decade.

Status of Women, Human Rights, or both?

293 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:43:59pm

re: #248 CarleeCork

I wonder what percentage of Americans know of the Gilgamesh flood story? How about Jefferson's Bible?

Too few.

In America you have the right to be ignorant. The difference between our democracy and others though is that here, being an ignoramus is appealing to many voters.

294 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:46:24pm

re: #293 LudwigVanQuixote

PT Barnum: Suckers. Born.Every.Minute.

295 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:46:33pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Status of Women, Human Rights, or both?

Human rights. The Status of Women commission, is politically composed so as to deflect attention away from the abuses and degradations perpetrated on Muslim women.

In both cases, most people really don't care.

The UN was always a form of extra-national propaganda used to provide the propaganda that certain nations have a world mandate for their actions.

296 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:48:13pm

'Death Panels' Debate Returns To Congress: Congressman Building Support For Proposal

The House health care provision that Sarah Palin warned would lead to "death panels" never made it into the final bill, but its backers plan to resuscitate it.

Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), who shepherded the amendment through the Ways and Means Committee, is building House support for stand-alone passage of the legislation that would allow Medicare to reimburse health care providers for consulting with patients about end-of-life decisions.

297 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:48:32pm

re: #289 Shiplord Kirel

Ha ha ha!

Rielle Hunter: I was helping John Edwards find his 'authentic self'


Is that what the kids are calling it now?

298 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:48:35pm

re: #295 LudwigVanQuixote

Human rights. The Status of Women commission, is politically composed so as to deflect attention away from the abuses and degradations perpetrated on Muslim women.

In both cases, most people really don't care.

The UN was always a form of extra-national propaganda used to provide the propaganda that certain nations have a world mandate for their actions.

True, but for decades that was mostly us, Russia, UK, China etc.

299 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:50:35pm

re: #174 Oh no...Sand People!

I HIGHLY recommend this book:


[Video]

The Necronomicon...heh.

I've nearly worn out my copy.

Iä! Cthulhu ftagn!

300 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:55:15pm

Have to fix a tire--BBL.

301 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:00:58pm

re: #277 LudwigVanQuixote

New post:

Why I hate Republicans part 3379...
(...)
What bothers me more than anything, is that nowhere in this analysis is a discussion that goes, "hey, this is real and bad things will happen if we do not act." It is about polls and politics. It is not about scientific reasns to be concerned and act appropriately regardless of whether or not fools who take part in polls see it favorably. This is not a game, yet the best and most reasonable of the GOP see this as a cold political calculation.

Bah. What's worse - a republican who wants to pursue action for political reasons, or a democrat who nominally supports AGW science but stands athwart the path to nuclear power?

I know you're a staunch supporter of nuclear power, which is why i make the point. You've posted frequently that the ends are the most important part - good motivations + bad actions = evil. So, to be consistent (as i understand you...which is why i'm asking if i'm understanding you), why so negative about questionable motivations + good science?

I'm happy to see a conservative step up and say that the right looks foolish for denying AGW.

302 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:08:25pm

re: #301 Aceofwhat?

Bah. What's worse - a republican who wants to pursue action for political reasons, or a democrat who nominally supports AGW science but stands athwart the path to nuclear power?

I know you're a staunch supporter of nuclear power, which is why i make the point. You've posted frequently that the ends are the most important part - good motivations + bad actions = evil. So, to be consistent (as i understand you...which is why i'm asking if i'm understanding you), why so negative about questionable motivations + good science?

I'm happy to see a conservative step up and say that the right looks foolish for denying AGW.

Answer: They are both committing the same sin. Both of them fail to see the science or the consequences to the people they are supposed to serve while focusing on their own perceived short term gains politically.

However, with the Dem, who at least admits the science you at least have a chance of convincing him or her to take the actions that the science demands. With the GOP, it is an article of faith and a litmus test amongst many socons to deny the science outright. You can't do a damn thing with that.

303 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:12:35pm

re: #302 LudwigVanQuixote

Answer: They are both committing the same sin. Both of them fail to see the science or the consequences to the people they are supposed to serve while focusing on their own perceived short term gains politically.

However, with the Dem, who at least admits the science you at least have a chance of convincing him or her to take the actions that the science demands. With the GOP, it is an article of faith and a litmus test amongst many socons to deny the science outright. You can't do a damn thing with that.

I would submit that it is the converse. At least a republican can be educated about AGW. A dem is just being dishonest by opposing nuclear power (or, if they are completely ignorant about it, are also committing scientific ignorance).

However, i'll ask the question again: a prominent conservative does not deny AGW, so why the outrage? Given that the columnist admits that it is foolish to deny the established science, i find it difficult to take issue with an attempt to spur action on pragmatic grounds. Pragmatism is in short enough supply...

304 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:20:28pm

re: #104 political lunatic

OT: Remember that antiabortion law that Oklahoma passed a few days ago that requires women to get an ultrasound to get an abortion? They're at it again in Florida, only this doesn't apply to raped women, and they're forcing them to pay out of pocket for it:

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

If a woman refuses the ultra sound viewing based on being pregnant by rape, she has to provide paperwork that proves she was raped.

305 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:24:23pm

re: #303 Aceofwhat?

I would submit that it is the converse. At least a republican can be educated about AGW. A dem is just being dishonest by opposing nuclear power (or, if they are completely ignorant about it, are also committing scientific ignorance).

However, i'll ask the question again: a prominent conservative does not deny AGW, so why the outrage? Given that the columnist admits that it is foolish to deny the established science, i find it difficult to take issue with an attempt to spur action on pragmatic grounds. Pragmatism is in short enough supply...

First of this "prominent Conservative" was kicked out of his party. He is a RINO now who is dead to them. Second off you are missing my point. Any discussion that does not start and end on the physical realities is an inherently false and unpragmatic discussion. Both sides do this.

Let me illustrate. If someone is pointing a gun at you, you do not talk about the politics of bullet manufacturers or the feelings of various folks about guns. You do what is necessary to avoid getting shot. Any other discussion is stupid because of the physical realities of what guns do to you.

In that analogy, the dems at least believe that guns are real and deadly in this analogy, they are just distracted by other things. The GOP denies that guns exist and therefore are taking actions that increase the likelihood of getting shot.

306 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:32:14pm

re: #304 prairiefire

If a woman refuses the ultra sound viewing based on being pregnant by rape, she has to provide paperwork that proves she was raped.

Socons are evil. Let's just be clear on that. Anytime someone lets their religiosity close their eyes to the harm or suffering they cause another, they are going down the path to evil.

307 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:35:23pm

re: #305 LudwigVanQuixote

First of this "prominent Conservative" was kicked out of his party. He is a RINO now who is dead to them. Second off you are missing my point. Any discussion that does not start and end on the physical realities is an inherently false and unpragmatic discussion. Both sides do this.


Exactly. Both sides do it.


In that analogy, the dems at least believe that guns are real and deadly in this analogy, they are just distracted by other things. The GOP denies that guns exist and therefore are taking actions that increase the likelihood of getting shot.

I disagree. The dems say that the guns are real but moving out of the way is inconvenient, so they'll decline to take real action. Much of the GOP denies that the gun exists.

One of those two can be educated.

308 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:38:13pm

re: #304 prairiefire

If a woman refuses the ultra sound viewing based on being pregnant by rape, she has to provide paperwork that proves she was raped.

ugh, what the hell is my state thinking...it's embarrassing...

309 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:38:57pm

re: #307 Aceofwhat?

Ace, the opposition to nuclear in some parts of the left is far less monolithic than you make it out to be, and it represents only a part of the overall picture.

You are falsely creating a scenario where not fully supporting nuclear is equivalent to denying the reality of AGW in the first place. That is silly.

There are also perfectly good economic reasons to say that nuclear power is not the silver bullet. It is incredibly expensive, and per dollar spent, other technologies may have more promise.

310 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:41:06pm

re: #307 Aceofwhat?

Basically, Ace, your position says that it's easier to educate a young earth creationist about evolution than someone who thinks that Gould represents the best available theories on evolution.

311 Vambo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:45:46pm
And to top it off, this drivel is what Fox News chose to broadcast instead of President Obama’s eulogy to civil rights pioneer Dorothy Height.

They always do shit like this -- it's their sneering "fuck you" to everything good and decent about America. And minions of the United States of Newscorp eat it up because they're too fucking dumb to know any better. Oh really? They found Noah's Ark? Gosh!! Tell me more!!

312 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:47:44pm

re: #310 Obdicut

Basically, Ace, your position says that it's easier to educate a young earth creationist about evolution than someone who thinks that Gould represents the best available theories on evolution.

Well, more accurately, he suggests that teaching a YEC about evolution is more plausible than changing the mind of a school principal who doesn't believe in creationism, but doesn't want to fight the Texas School Board and teach proper science.

I think he's wrong, mostly because the difficulty lies not in convincing conservative politicians about science (most of whom would probably fully agree in a vacuum), but convincing their fundamentalist voters, and I suspect this Sisyphean task is impossible. It's far more plausible that Democrat politicians will be convinced by louder, environmentally and scientifically aware groups to ignore the fading antinukers.

That said, I don't see any particular reason to be upset that David Frum is putting a political spin on the events for his political blog and politically minded readers.

313 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:51:41pm

re: #310 Obdicut

Basically, Ace, your position says that it's easier to educate a young earth creationist about evolution than someone who thinks that Gould represents the best available theories on evolution.

nope. that is a completely inaccurate paraphrasing of my position.

314 markie  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 2:24:40pm

I just thought I'd stop in to drop off my 2 cents worth.


There's nothing at Fox News that a carpool of top brass there and an unfortunate traffic accident wouldn't cure.
I used to like Fox, but it went off the rails like some other institutions I could mention.

315 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:05:41pm

re: #306 LudwigVanQuixote

Socons are evil. Let's just be clear on that. Anytime someone lets their religiosity close their eyes to the harm or suffering they cause another, they are going down the path to evil.

It is also not "Christ like".

I was going to make a sarcastic comment about "show me your papers", but the sadistic paternalism this law exhibits just is not funny.

316 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 3:54:30pm

re: #102 darthstar

Is that a part from Noah's arc-welder?

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Groan.

Ding.

317 Querent  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 4:37:18pm

re: #2 Revtim

Wow, it might be a hoax, they say? That's disappointing. But the Hammer Of Thor and bag of Santa Clause's beard hair that I bought on eBay is real, right?

i wondered who'd won the Hammer! (i managed to get the Helmet...)

318 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 4:50:58pm

Fox news also apparently think this one belongs under the banner of "Health" news.

Holy Man Claims to Have Lived Without Food, Water for 70 Years

//

319 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:17:23pm

re: #316 Mentis Fugit

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Groan.

Ding.

What is "Mentis Fugit" supposed to mean? If you're going for the equivalent of "tempus fugit" ("time flies") in the sense of "the mind flies", it should be "mens fugit". "Mentis" is the genitive singular, so as far as I can tell, your nick is a meaningless thing: "of the mind flies".

I hate posers.

But then your motto does say "irredeemably lightweight", so you may end up finding yourself forgiven on mental grounds.

320 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:36:08pm

FOX news sucks. Enough said.

321 steve_davis  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:27:02pm

re: #2 Revtim

Wow, it might be a hoax, they say? That's disappointing. But the Hammer Of Thor and bag of Santa Clause's beard hair that I bought on eBay is real, right?

I'm still disappointed to discover that the Fingers of Christ can only be had in boxes of 10.

322 Logician  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:17:33am

Fox News should be ashamed of themselves. So should the BBC for running this story in their 'Editor's Choice' video section today, giving credence to claims that an Indian holy man has survived for 70 years without food or drink. It begins:

"Miracle man, or medical mystery?"

as if those were the only possibilities. Then it continues with experts endorsing the claims, without a single skeptical voice to contradict them. The closest it gets is:

In this deeply spiritual country, the distinction between myth and reality can often be blurred. But for the first time it's being made to stand up to scientific scrutiny.

323 Logician  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:25:55am

Sorry, that link to the BBC story seems to be wrong. Here's the direct llnk to the video.

324 washsox  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 12:36:56pm

Fixed News - We Distort, You Abide


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