Arizona Birther Bill is ‘Set Aside’

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Arizona’s Birther-inspired bill that would have required presidential candidates to show their birth certificates has been, uh, “set aside.”

They gently set it aside, then everyone backed away slowly.

With legislators working toward adjournment of their annual session, the sponsor of the bill says it won’t get a state Senate vote because some fellow Republicans don’t support it.

Republicans who don’t support a Birther bill? Be still, my trembling heart.

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617 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:20:41pm

“They gently set it aside, then everyone backed away slowly.”

EVERYONE STAY BACK! I’ve got a loaded bill here and I’m not afraid to use it!

Now then I will set off this bill unless my demands are met….

Demand number one, five large stuff crust pizza hut pizzas…..

2 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:21:03pm

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:22:06pm

I wonder if lack of support for this will be used against any candidates. I hope very much that it would rather be the opposite.

4 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:22:38pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

“They gently set it aside, then everyone backed away slowly.”

EVERYONE STAY BACK! I’ve got a loaded bill here and I’m not afraid to use it!

Now then I will set off this bill unless my demands are met…

Demand number one, five large stuff crust pizza hut pizzas…

[traq dart impact]
[thud]
“Nothing to worry, folks. Mr. Beck here just went off his meds. We’ll get him over to Bellevue and he’ll be just fine.”

//

5 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:23:50pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

[traq dart impact]
[thud]
“Nothing to worry, folks. Mr. Beck here just went off his meds. We’ll get him over to Bellevue and he’ll be just fine.”

//

I’m checking in!

He’s checking in!

Checking checking in!

No more looking pale and thin…

No more drugs beneath your skin…

HEY THAT’S JUST MY ASPIRIN!

Check it out!

He’s checking in!

6 sagehen  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:23:59pm

RINOs!

7 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:24:50pm

Two steps back, then one forward. It’s the wingdance!

8 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:26:15pm

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

Two steps back, then one forward. It’s the wingdance!

The funky chickenhawk if you will….

9 Randall Gross  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:29:04pm

This comes on the heels of a poll showing McCain absolutely thrashing nirther Candidate JD Hayworth

10 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:30:26pm

In Arizona, it appears, anything is possible.

And Good Evening, my friends, I hope all is well with you. I’m finally shaking the jet lag.

The situation in the Gulf Coast is beginning to look dire indeed.

11 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:31:47pm

re: #9 Thanos

This comes on the heels of a poll showing McCain absolutely thrashing nirther Candidate JD Hayworth

Thank God. Go, John, Go! Sink that nutjob Hayworth.

12 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:32:22pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Thank God. Go, John, Go! Sink that nutjob Hayworth.

Seriously…let’s take the AZ out of Crazy…

13 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:33:50pm

re: #9 Thanos

This comes on the heels of a poll showing McCain absolutely thrashing nirther Candidate JD Hayworth

Good. Damn good. McCain may not have my particular taste in running mates, and I may not agree agree with a lot of his policy points, but he is a good man who has been a lion for this country. A true American Hero.

14 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:34:07pm

Damage control. Glad that some of the AZ Senate GOP members have sense enough not to support this ridiculous bill.

15 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:35:59pm

re: #12 Aceofwhat?

Seriously…let’s take the AZ out of Crazy…

Clever boots! Can we take KA out of Ka-ka-ka-krazee?

16 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:39:49pm

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

You put your left foot in, you put your right foot out, you turn around & shake it all about!
Do the Hokey Pokey!
That’s what it’s all about!

17 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:40:50pm

Thats ok, Lindsay Lohan has posed with a gun to her mouth thereby signalling both her support of gratuitous fellatio and our God/constitutional given rights to own firearms. Who cares if they couldn’t pass the stupid birther bill? This is effing Lindsay Lohan with an effing gun to her lips!

rightcelebrity.com


/sigh…

18 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:41:37pm

re: #15 austin_blue

Clever boots! Can we take KA out of Ka-ka-ka-krazee?

Priorities. First we have to take Oklahoma out of women…psychos.

19 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:41:43pm

re: #17 ausador

My comment would include violence, which would get me banned.
But, I can think it.

20 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:42:14pm

OT:

Latest from WWL in New Orleans:

wwltv.com

21 windsagio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:42:45pm

re: #17 ausador

Is that who you said it is? I admit I don’t follow celebritys very well, but that is not hte person I was expecting >

22 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:43:39pm

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

Two steps back, then one forward. It’s the wingdance!

One step forward, and two steps back. The GOP won’t get too far like that.

Youtube Video

23 windsagio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:43:53pm

re: #20 austin_blue

I know I’m focusing on the wrong thing but “Half the Nation’s seafood”?

Can that possibly be right?

24 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:44:52pm

re: #21 windsagio

Is that who you said it is? I admit I don’t follow celebritys very well, but that is not hte person I was expecting >

yep, that was Lilo. what did you expect her to look like?

25 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:45:11pm

re: #21 windsagio

Is that who you said it is? I admit I don’t follow celebritys very well, but that is not hte person I was expecting >

She’s in very bad shape right now. Her father tried to stage an intervention last week. Michael Lohan has made many mistakes, but he is trying in earnest to not have to bury his eldest daughter.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:45:27pm

I’m back (uncomfortably long hug)… it’ll be okay.

What’s up?

27 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:45:44pm

re: #17 ausador

Thats ok, Lindsay Lohan has posed with a gun to her mouth thereby signalling both her support of gratuitous fellatio and our God/constitutional given rights to own firearms. Who cares if they couldn’t pass the stupid birther bill? This is effing Lindsay Lohan with an effing gun to her lips!

[Link: www.rightcelebrity.com…]

/sigh…

Bah, you call that “to her mouth” I see poses like that all the time in the credits to Bond Movies!

28 windsagio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:46:00pm

re: #24 Aceofwhat?

… younger I guess?

Somehow I thought her hair wasn’t that color too.

29 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:46:21pm

re: #17 ausador

Thats ok, Lindsay Lohan has posed with a gun to her mouth thereby signalling both her support of gratuitous fellatio and our God/constitutional given rights to own firearms. Who cares if they couldn’t pass the stupid birther bill? This is effing Lindsay Lohan with an effing gun to her lips!

[Link: www.rightcelebrity.com…]

/sigh…

so of course i got interested in the site…the top story on the home page is a sociology fail…

30 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:46:30pm

re: #27 jamesfirecat

Bah, you call that “to her mouth” I see poses like that all the time in the credits to Bond Movies!

I thought the same.

31 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:47:09pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

She’s a mess. Not like that’s news. I’m not a fan.
She’s as bad as Amy Winehouse, except that Amy Winehouse has talent.

32 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:47:12pm

re: #28 windsagio

… younger I guess?

Somehow I thought her hair wasn’t that color too.

eh, it’s a photo shoot. there’s so much creative license at work, even i could look hawt/

33 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:47:13pm

re: #17 ausador

Thats ok, Lindsay Lohan has posed with a gun to her mouth thereby signalling both her support of gratuitous fellatio and our God/constitutional given rights to own firearms. Who cares if they couldn’t pass the stupid birther bill? This is effing Lindsay Lohan with an effing gun to her lips!

[Link: www.rightcelebrity.com…]

/sigh…

She’s circling the drain I’m afraid.

34 windsagio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:47:34pm

re: #29 Aceofwhat?

Nice Redeye photo.

35 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:48:10pm

re: #31 Floral Giraffe

She’s a mess. Not like that’s news. I’m not a fan.
She’s as bad as Amy Winehouse, except that Amy Winehouse has talent.

oh, FG…Lakers fan…AW has talent…you poor thing. California has gone and numbed your senses;)

36 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:48:56pm

re: #17 ausador

Thats ok, Lindsay Lohan has posed with a gun to her mouth thereby signalling both her support of gratuitous fellatio and our God/constitutional given rights to own firearms. Who cares if they couldn’t pass the stupid birther bill? This is effing Lindsay Lohan with an effing gun to her lips!

[Link: www.rightcelebrity.com…]

/sigh…

Sig P226?

37 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:49:12pm

re: #34 windsagio

Nice Redeye photo.

the photo was bad…the email was worse. sheesh.

38 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:49:19pm

re: #35 Aceofwhat?

oh, FG…Lakers fan…AW has talent…you poor thing. California has gone and numbed your senses;)

It’s all that LA smog, I figure.

39 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:49:45pm

re: #36 austin_blue

Sig P226?

squirt gun

40 windsagio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:50:20pm

re: #37 Aceofwhat?

I try not to think about that >>

/sorry for being weird, I’m tryin’ to keep myself from playing more SF today, my arms need a rest ;)

41 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:50:34pm

Translation: We already look like racist fucktards. Asking President Obama to prove his citizenship will probably bring more backlash than we had first calculated.

42 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:51:08pm

/actually not a bad plan… write a few bills gar-un -teed to make Washington freak, pass one as a warning & watch the federal funding come pouring in!

43 windsagio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:51:24pm

re: #41 darthstar

Its really like the ‘pi’ law all over again.

Except more racist.

44 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:53:12pm

re: #17 ausador

Thats ok, Lindsay Lohan has posed with a gun to her mouth thereby signalling both her support of gratuitous fellatio and our God/constitutional given rights to own firearms. Who cares if they couldn’t pass the stupid birther bill? This is effing Lindsay Lohan with an effing gun to her lips!

[Link: www.rightcelebrity.com…]

/sigh…

thats one way to get a fly off your nose…

45 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:53:32pm

re: #41 darthstar

Translation: We already look like racist fucktards. Asking President Obama to prove his citizenship will probably bring more backlash than we had first calculated.

The sad thing is that this bill wouldn’t have made a difference for two years, the one they did pass is already in affect isn’t it?

46 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:54:15pm

re: #17 ausador

You can see more pictures of the same photo shoot at perez hilton. On page 4. She’s posing with a blood covered wall, bloody hands, etc.

47 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:55:06pm

re: #45 jamesfirecat

The sad thing is that this bill wouldn’t have made a difference for two years, the one they did pass is already in affect isn’t it?

90 days…but some police had started enforcing it the day before it was signed.

48 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:55:49pm

re: #23 windsagio

I know I’m focusing on the wrong thing but “Half the Nation’s seafood”?

Can that possibly be right?

Almost. Louisiana is the primary producer of oysters, crabs, shrimp, red fish (drum), and snapper in the US. The irony is that the production platforms are a large part of that fishery. They act as artificial reefs. Big Oil giveth, and in this case, Big Oil taketh away. If you have a home in Sarasota or Sanibel Beach, how does this make you feel about drilling off the west coast of Florida?

Drill, baby, drill, has nuance, eh?

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:56:03pm

I like evidence of sane people in government!

50 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:56:30pm

I spoke with one of my customers today who likes the AZ immigration bill, SB 1070. He’s Hispanic, a retired firefighter, and works part time as an EMT who gets called to border incidents every week or so. He spoke with a friend of his who lives in Tucson and is a first generation legal immigrant from Mexico, and a high-achiever, and that guy also likes SB 1070.

Just can’t pigeon-hole anybody anymore! /

51 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:56:48pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

I like evidence of sane people in government!

That cricket don’t chirp.

52 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:58:11pm

re: #35 Aceofwhat?

Silly, I did say that AW had talent!

53 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:58:41pm

re: #42 brookly red

/actually not a bad plan… write a few bills gar-un -teed to make Washington freak, pass one as a warning & watch the federal funding come pouring in!

Was that the idea?…

54 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:59:45pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

I would think that legal immigrants would be in support of enforcing our immigration laws. Thanks for a report!

55 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:59:50pm

re: #46 Floral Giraffe

You can see more pictures of the same photo shoot at perez hilton. On page 4. She’s posing with a blood covered wall, bloody hands, etc.

Just sad. I hope someone gets her out of this spiral before she kills herself.

56 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:01:41pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Thank God. Go, John, Go! Sink that nutjob Hayworth.

What a shame McCain thought it necessary to present himself as some kind of Tea Party candidate himself to beat this idiot.

57 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:02:00pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

I spoke with one of my customers today who likes the AZ immigration bill, SB 1070. He’s Hispanic, a retired firefighter, and works part time as an EMT who gets called to border incidents every week or so. He spoke with a friend of his who lives in Tucson and is a first generation legal immigrant from Mexico, and a high-achiever, and that guy also likes SB 1070.

Just can’t pigeon-hole anybody anymore! /

Did they say what they liked about it?

58 swamprat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:03:09pm

Yeah, maybe a bill that haunts the party for decades and embarrasses every human being that even hears about it…. Maybe such a bill is not a good idea.

How long did it take for you guys to figure that one out, Sherlock?

Well, they have finally reached a point where they could be shamed. It’s a start.

Took more than a year, but a start is a start.

59 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:03:18pm

re: #56 Tigger2005

What a shame McCain thought it necessary to present himself as some kind of Tea Party candidate himself to beat this idiot.

McCain went from maverick to wind-sock in eight weeks in 2008.

60 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:03:32pm

re: #56 Tigger2005

What a shame McCain thought it necessary to present himself as some kind of Tea Party candidate himself to beat this idiot.

Me can be like Mongo too. McMongo not Maverick no more, me now Mongo. Me beat JD Mongo.

//

61 lostlakehiker  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:03:42pm

re: #17 ausador

Thats ok, Lindsay Lohan has posed with a gun to her mouth thereby signalling both her support of gratuitous fellatio and our God/constitutional given rights to own firearms. Who cares if they couldn’t pass the stupid birther bill? This is effing Lindsay Lohan with an effing gun to her lips!

[Link: www.rightcelebrity.com…]

/sigh…

The way I see it, Lohan is in medical trouble and when you’re literally crazy it’s no fair calling your political ideas crazy. Of course they are, but that’s not the point.

The point is that this is an all too public toying with suicide. I’d rather she didn’t.

62 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:03:52pm

re: #54 Floral Giraffe

I would think that legal immigrants would be in support of enforcing our immigration laws. Thanks for a report!

I would too, but not this way, necessarily. The firefighter is well acquainted with law enforcement, but I’d like the opinion of someone IN law enforcement in the area, who isn’t one of those “already profiling” kinds of persons.

I had a young man working for me who is Hispanic, who used to complain about the local cops profiling. He said he’d wear a cowboy hat so the cops would think he was white. Thing is, the cops he was complaining about were also Hispanic. Things just aren’t always simple….

63 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:04:07pm

re: #53 darthstar

Was that the idea?…

what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger…

64 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:04:19pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

I spoke with one of my customers today who likes the AZ immigration bill, SB 1070. He’s Hispanic, a retired firefighter, and works part time as an EMT who gets called to border incidents every week or so. He spoke with a friend of his who lives in Tucson and is a first generation legal immigrant from Mexico, and a high-achiever, and that guy also likes SB 1070.

Just can’t pigeon-hole anybody anymore! /

That’s not terribly surprising. But I still think this bill is just too open for potential abuse. Arizona is going to pay out a lot of lawsuits if they try to enforce this.

65 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:04:29pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Me can be like Mongo too. McMongo not Maverick no more, me now Mongo. Me beat JD Mongo.

//

Candygram for Mongo! Candygram for Mongo!

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:04:36pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Mongo just a pawn in game of life.

67 windsagio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:04:42pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

You hear the same thing from black people, to be frank.

Apparently ‘police culture’ trumps all. Hope your town has a good police departmetn!

68 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:04:43pm

re: #63 brookly red

what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger…

or a vegetable.

69 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:05:12pm

re: #48 austin_blue

Almost. Louisiana is the primary producer of oysters, crabs, shrimp, red fish (drum), and snapper in the US. The irony is that the production platforms are a large part of that fishery. They act as artificial reefs. Big Oil giveth, and in this case, Big Oil taketh away. If you have a home in Sarasota or Sanibel Beach, how does this make you feel about drilling off the west coast of Florida?

Drill, baby, drill, has nuance, eh?

Quite Concur.

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:05:48pm

re: #68 darthstar

or a vegetable.

MMMmmm

71 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:06:17pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Candygram for Mongo! Candygram for Mongo!

Me like candy!

72 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:06:45pm

re: #57 jamesfirecat

Did they say what they liked about it?

They want people to come in legally, to go through the proper steps and develop their appreciation for the USA, they way the Tucson guy did, and others mentioned by my customer.

We didn’t get into a discussion of how this bill would accomplish that….ran out of time, and I don’t like to get too involved in politics at work.

73 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:07:14pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Candygram for Mongo! Candygram for Mongo!

do they still have candy grams? have not heard that in a dogs age…

74 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:08:01pm

re: #67 windsagio

You hear the same thing from black people, to be frank.

Apparently ‘police culture’ trumps all. Hope your town has a good police departmetn!

Uh, see above! (#62)

75 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:08:03pm

re: #73 brookly red

do they still have candy grams? have not heard that in a dogs age…

Yes, apparently, they do.

76 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:08:12pm

re: #61 lostlakehiker

The way I see it, Lohan is in medical trouble and when you’re literally crazy it’s no fair calling your political ideas crazy. Of course they are, but that’s not the point.

The point is that this is an all too public toying with suicide. I’d rather she didn’t.

If she would only accept that she was born to be a lesbian porn star, she would be much happier.

77 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:08:18pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

I would too, but not this way, necessarily. The firefighter is well acquainted with law enforcement, but I’d like the opinion of someone IN law enforcement in the area, who isn’t one of those “already profiling” kinds of persons.

I had a young man working for me who is Hispanic, who used to complain about the local cops profiling. He said he’d wear a cowboy hat so the cops would think he was white. Thing is, the cops he was complaining about were also Hispanic. Things just aren’t always simple…

No, nothing is simple or easy in this particular issue. Plus, it has been left in limbo, and unenforced for FAR too long.

78 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:08:25pm

re: #73 brookly red

do they still have candy grams? have not heard that in a dogs age…

Yea, it’s called 1800flowers. Or Incredible Edibles which are quite tasty.

79 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:08:33pm

re: #40 windsagio

I try not to think about that >>

/sorry for being weird, I’m tryin’ to keep myself from playing more SF today, my arms need a rest ;)

dude, i’m weird about 98% of the time, and the other 2% of the time i’m just a dick. to weird is human…

80 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:09:51pm

re: #78 marjoriemoon

Yea, it’s called 1800flowers. Or Incredible Edibles which are quite tasty.

I thoguht Incredible Edibles was a brand of panty.

81 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:09:51pm

re: #76 Tigger2005

If she would only accept that she was born to be a lesbian porn star, she would be much happier.

LOL!

82 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:10:07pm

lol

restorestephenbaldwin.org

83 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:10:11pm

re: #80 darthstar

thought…still getting used to the little keyboard on this netbook.

84 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:10:16pm

re: #79 Aceofwhat?

dude, i’m weird about 98% of the time, and the other 2% of the time i’m just a dick. to weird is human…

Upding! I barely know you, but know you enough.

85 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:10:19pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

They want people to come in legally, to go through the proper steps and develop their appreciation for the USA, they way the Tucson guy did, and others mentioned by my customer.

We didn’t get into a discussion of how this bill would accomplish that…ran out of time, and I don’t like to get too involved in politics at work.

The second part is a very good idea.

86 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:10:25pm

re: #61 lostlakehiker

The way I see it, Lohan is in medical trouble and when you’re literally crazy it’s no fair calling your political ideas crazy. Of course they are, but that’s not the point.

The point is that this is an all too public toying with suicide. I’d rather she didn’t.

If it sells, it sells.

Capitalism!

87 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:10:27pm

re: #80 darthstar

I thoguht Incredible Edibles was a brand of panty.

Ooo it might be lol I was thinking of the fruit carved like flowers dipped in chocolate.

88 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:10:58pm

re: #78 marjoriemoon

Yea, it’s called 1800flowers. Or Incredible Edibles which are quite tasty.

I just found a wholesale place that will deliver Nutella in 5 liter jars… I can get forgiving for anything!

89 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:11:00pm

re: #82 SpaceJesus

lol

[Link: www.restorestephenbaldwin.org…]

Didn’t the “What’s up Willis?” guy from Diff’rent Strokes do this when he was in the financial shitter?

90 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:11:19pm

re: #82 SpaceJesus

lol

[Link: www.restorestephenbaldwin.org…]

Looks like a job for Super Spacejesus!

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:11:56pm

re: #76 Tigger2005

If she would only accept that she was born to be a lesbian porn star, she would be much happier.

Wouldn’t bother me none.

92 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:12:10pm

re: #82 SpaceJesus

lol

[Link: www.restorestephenbaldwin.org…]

Mongo like Stephen Baldwin. He can be Mongo too.

//

93 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:12:22pm

And, as long as we’re talking celebutard trash…
Tiger Woods had 120 affairs, including one with young neighbor

No, I’m not linking it.
Yes, Tiger has talent. Of many kinds…

94 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:12:27pm

re: #89 darthstar

Didn’t the “What’s up Willis?” guy from Diff’rent Strokes do this when he was in the financial shitter?

Oh my god its Gary Coleman!

(I believe that’s the guy you were talking about, now name the musical that’s a line from)

95 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:12:29pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Mongo like Stephen Baldwin. He can be Mongo too.

//

Awww Mongo straight.

96 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:13:04pm

re: #89 darthstar

Didn’t the “What’s up Willis?” guy from Diff’rent Strokes do this when he was in the financial shitter?

“What you talkin bout Willis”

My trivia…Josh Beckett, pitcher for I’m not sure this year, does his wind up and turns his head so fast to the batter I always think he’s saying that in his head.

97 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:13:57pm

My favorite DAWG is in the house!
*waves*

98 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:13:57pm

re: #90 marjoriemoon

Looks like a job for Super Spacejesus!


haha, dont worry stephen baldwin, spacejesus won’t let you go hungry

99 laZardo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:14:01pm

re: #89 darthstar

Didn’t the “What’s up Willis?” guy from Diff’rent Strokes do this when he was in the financial shitter?

No, he just decided to star in a video game.

100 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:14:10pm

re: #93 Floral Giraffe

And, as long as we’re talking celebutard trash…
Tiger Woods had 120 affairs, including one with young neighbor

No, I’m not linking it.
Yes, Tiger has talent. Of many kinds…

Good thing he’s only a golfer, and that infidelity isn’t a crime. Now, the whole role-model thing needs to be revisited, but I suggest he take a page out of Charles Barkley’s playbook on that and say, ‘I’m an athlete. Stop worshiping me.’

101 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:14:23pm

re: #88 brookly red

I just found a wholesale place that will deliver Nutella in 5 liter jars… I can get forgiving for anything!

Nutella is the nectar of the gods.

102 windsagio  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:14:25pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Wait, what? I was responding to that!

/confused.

103 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:14:32pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

I like evidence of sane people in government!

Don’t you think that sanity is perhaps over rated? Look at how well Luap Nor has done for all these years, yet very few people seem to think that he is “sane.”

/

104 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:14:37pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

“What you talkin bout Willis”

My trivia…Josh Beckett, pitcher for I’m not sure this year, does his wind up and turns his head so fast to the batter I always think he’s saying that in his head.

That’s it…What you talkin’ ‘bout, Willis?

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:15:29pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

That’s not terribly surprising. But I still think this bill is just too open for potential abuse. Arizona is going to pay out a lot of lawsuits if they try to enforce this.

I think if it stands, among other things, it’s going to be worse than useless. But I suppose I’ve made that perfectly clear already.

//

106 laZardo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:15:47pm

re: #103 ausador

Don’t you think that sanity is perhaps over rated? Look at how well Luap Nor has done for all these years, yet very few people seem to think that he is “sane.”

/

We all need a sideshow freak to wag our finger at and go “Oh, Luap Nor!” to the sound of canned laughter.

But then people actually started taking him seriously.

/goddammit

107 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:16:54pm

re: #102 windsagio

Wait, what? I was responding to that!

/confused.

My fault, I’m the confused one. Coincidentally, it’s time for me to go home!

Later, lizards.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:17:11pm

re: #93 Floral Giraffe

A hundred and twenty?

Nice.

(bad)

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:17:41pm

I’ve started watching Pan’s Labyrinth. It’s remarkable, the ten minutes or so I’ve seen. Is it going to break my heart if I keep going?

110 laZardo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:18:12pm

re: #107 wrenchwench

My fault, I’m the confused one. Coincidentally, it’s time for me to go home!

Later, lizards.

As Confucious (should have) said, “Man who drops watch in toilet, has shitty time.”

111 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:18:41pm

A handy tip for gardeners: Garlic
I’ve been experimenting on my slugs lately and by far the most effective way to remove slugs is with garlic. I’ve used baits, poisons, beer traps, etc but garlic beats them all. A few days ago I could count dozens, if not hundreds of slugs crawling around. Now I’m lucky to find 2 or 3. It’s easy, cheap and best of all, it works.
Just grind, mash, blend, blitz or mush 1 bulb of garlic in about 2-3 cups of water and let it sit overnight.
Strain the garlic water through a paper towel or strainer into a spay bottle or one of those large pressure sprayers. Top off the bottle or sprayer and spray your entire garden. It takes me 3-4 minutes. Even in the rain your slugs will be motivated to leave or die. Here’s the science: New Research Finds Garlic Kills Slugs
Seriously, it works.

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:18:58pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve started watching Pan’s Labyrinth. It’s remarkable, the ten minutes or so I’ve seen. Is it going to break my heart if I keep going?

If seeing a wonderfully acted and amazingly crafted artpiece makes you sad…

The movie took my breath away.

113 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:19:08pm

re: #98 SpaceJesus

haha, dont worry stephen baldwin, spacejesus won’t let you go hungry

What’s up, SJ? Have you been giving the Stalkers the tweaking they deserve lately?

114 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:19:30pm

re: #98 SpaceJesus

haha, dont worry stephen baldwin, spacejesus won’t let you go hungry

Stephen Baldwin won’t go hungry. That is if he gets a real job.

Nope, shakedown scam it is.

Hmm, look at this eyes. Looks like he needs more cash for some sticky bud.

115 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:19:49pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

A handy tip for gardeners: Garlic

It may get rid of slugs, but you’ll never get rid of me if I find your garden. I love garlic.

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:20:04pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Have you seen what it does to escargot? Cooks ‘em right there in their little shells.

117 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:20:25pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Stephen Baldwin won’t go hungry. That is if he gets a real job.

Nope, shakedown scam it is.

Hmm, look at this eyes. Looks like he needs more cash for some sticky bud.

Stephen Baldwin…typical stoner Xian wing nut.

118 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:20:54pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

What’s up, SJ? Have you been giving the Stalkers the tweaking they deserve lately?


not really. they have a radio thing now. with a phone number you can call into though. hmmmm

119 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:21:13pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Cool tip!
Works for Vampires too!

Also, if you do it over a couple of breeding seasons, you will kill off the eggs that would have been laid, and reduce the future population.

120 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:21:15pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Stephen Baldwin won’t go hungry. That is if he gets a real job.

Nope, shakedown scam it is.

Hmm, look at this eyes. Looks like he needs more cash for some sticky bud.

He’s at an ABBA party!

121 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:21:25pm

re: #117 darthstar

Stephen Baldwin…typical stoner Xian wing nut.

Like wow man. I’m like a modern day Job man.

Image: Stephen-Baldwin.jpg

122 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:21:42pm

re: #100 darthstar

Good thing he’s only a golfer, and that infidelity isn’t a crime. Now, the whole role-model thing needs to be revisited, but I suggest he take a page out of Charles Barkley’s playbook on that and say, ‘I’m an athlete. Stop worshiping me.’

heh. how many millions of dollars in endorsements did he lose again?

El Tigre definitely paid for the affairs…

123 jaunte  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:21:44pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

This guy eats the slugs in my garden. I don’t think he likes garlic…
Image: hottubfrog.jpg

124 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:21:47pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

He’s at an ABBA party!

You can dance, you can dance, having the time of your life….

125 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:22:35pm

re: #118 SpaceJesus

not really. they have a radio thing now. with a phone number you can call into though. hmmm

Go get ‘em, Space! Make Savage cry!

126 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:22:39pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

“What you talkin bout Willis”

My trivia…Josh Beckett, pitcher for I’m not sure this year, does his wind up and turns his head so fast to the batter I always think he’s saying that in his head.

BoSox, IIRC

127 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:22:51pm

re: #106 laZardo

We all need a sideshow freak to wag our finger at and go “Oh, Luap Nor!” to the sound of canned laughter.

But then people actually started taking him seriously.

/goddammit

Well, take a look at his District. Yup, that’s Texas for ya! Four distinct zones, three of which are connected by highways!

house.gov

128 laZardo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:22:55pm

re: #115 darthstar

It may get rid of slugs, but you’ll never get rid of me if I find your garden. I love garlic.

I have a solution for that.

/remember kids, make sure your salt is properly iodized!

129 lostlakehiker  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:22:57pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

I would too, but not this way, necessarily. The firefighter is well acquainted with law enforcement, but I’d like the opinion of someone IN law enforcement in the area, who isn’t one of those “already profiling” kinds of persons.

I had a young man working for me who is Hispanic, who used to complain about the local cops profiling. He said he’d wear a cowboy hat so the cops would think he was white. Thing is, the cops he was complaining about were also Hispanic. Things just aren’t always simple…

The term “profiling” can have many meanings. There’s profiles of serial killers, profiles of wife beaters, profiles of tax cheats. There’s profiles that include ethnic considerations; honor killings just aren’t as likely in some cultures as in others, for example. Profiling, done right, puts a heavy emphasis on behavioral clues and other details that have nothing to do with race.

Consider the medical analogy. You’re interested in whether somebody is at risk for osteoporosis. You want to know, what about smoking, what about diet, what about load-bearing exercise. You want to see them, size up their body build etc. But on top of that, it doesn’t hurt to know that Asians and whites are at greater risk. You factor that in if you’re serious about getting the right estimate.

You’d be nuts to just say “at risk” the moment you learned they were white, though. That’s just one ingredient in making the call, and one of secondary diagnostic value at that. If you made the call on that basis alone you’d be inundated with false positives.

As in the case of medical issues, the best policy for selecting people for interrogation or investigation, or audits if you’re the IRS, is the one that strikes an effective balance between avoiding false negatives, avoiding false positives, finding true positives, and holding down costs. The price, to law enforcement and to the individual selected for interrogation, of an initial stop-and-question, should be minimized. Everything polite, everything done so as to impose minimal delay, and compensation if the inconvenience is nontrivial.

A lot of us have been on the receiving end of false positives, even us palefaces. Pulled over for further checking at airports, given a grilling while reentering the U.S. all grubby from canoeing, or what have you, it’s annoying but one must keep a sense of perspective. The guys hassling you really aren’t doing it for a hoot. They aren’t out to get you. And if you just smile and keep up the confident straight answers, they’ll eventually realize that they’re barking up the wrong tree.

Precious few of us have never been legitimately stopped for a traffic violation. The officer making the stop doesn’t know whether this is just another stop like almost all the others and nothing more than another five minutes of calling stuff in, or whether it’s going to escalate into a fight. We civilians can hold down the cost [in high blood pressure, for starters] to ourselves and them by keeping everything polite and calm on our end too.

130 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:23:07pm

re: #122 Aceofwhat?

heh. how many millions of dollars in endorsements did he lose again?

El Tigre definitely paid for the affairs…

He’ll get a bunch of those endorsements back after he wins a few tournaments. One thing people (and corporations especially) learned from the Bush years…Americans have very short memories.

131 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:23:19pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

that’s awesome. I wonder if you just plant garlic around the garden, if it’d be slug kryptonite.

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:23:24pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

You can dance, you can dance, having the time of your life…

You can dance if you want to…

133 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:23:28pm

re: #82 SpaceJesus

lol

[Link: www.restorestephenbaldwin.org…]

That was the “Towelie Intervention” page on last night’s South Park.

134 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:23:59pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

You can dance, you can dance, having the time of your life…

See that fool,
a fundie tool,
he is the Baldwin FAIL.

135 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:25:20pm

re: #118 SpaceJesus

not really. they have a radio thing now. with a phone number you can call into though. hmmm

I put forth a motion that Space Jesus has to listen to the radio show and report back the worst of their idiocy.

Anyone second the motion?

136 laZardo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:25:22pm

re: #127 austin_blue

Besides the 14th District’s rich history, it is also home to a rich diversity of economic interests. From the petrochemical companies and rice farmers along the coast, to ranchers and cotton growers inland, from small businesses to oil producers, the district represents not only a cross-section of Texas’ economy, but is vital to the nation.

And that’s why Texas isn’t advancing, if that’s the kind of district he runs.

137 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:25:30pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

hmmm, other baldwins much more fail. Baldwins are cursed?

138 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:25:55pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve started watching Pan’s Labyrinth. It’s remarkable, the ten minutes or so I’ve seen. Is it going to break my heart if I keep going?

Oh, My, God. It’s a great, great movie. And yes, it will break your heart. Finish it and we’ll talk. Brilliant cinema. I *so* much want to tell you the hook, but I can’t. Watch it.

139 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:26:18pm

re: #135 Reginald Perrin

I put forth a motion that Space Jesus has to listen to the radio show and report back the worst of their idiocy.

Anyone second the motion?

So seconded.

140 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:27:13pm

re: #135 Reginald Perrin

I put forth a motion that Space Jesus has to listen to the radio show and report back the worst of their idiocy.

Anyone second the motion?

I think that’s a horrible thing to force upon SJ! Bad RP!

141 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:27:25pm

re: #135 Reginald Perrin

By ding.

142 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:27:48pm

re: #129 lostlakehiker

The term “profiling” can have many meanings. There’s profiles of serial killers, profiles of wife beaters, profiles of tax cheats. There’s profiles that include ethnic considerations; honor killings just aren’t as likely in some cultures as in others, for example. Profiling, done right, puts a heavy emphasis on behavioral clues and other details that have nothing to do with race.

Consider the medical analogy. You’re interested in whether somebody is at risk for osteoporosis. You want to know, what about smoking, what about diet, what about load-bearing exercise. You want to see them, size up their body build etc. But on top of that, it doesn’t hurt to know that Asians and whites are at greater risk. You factor that in if you’re serious about getting the right estimate.

You’d be nuts to just say “at risk” the moment you learned they were white, though. That’s just one ingredient in making the call, and one of secondary diagnostic value at that. If you made the call on that basis alone you’d be inundated with false positives.

As in the case of medical issues, the best policy for selecting people for interrogation or investigation, or audits if you’re the IRS, is the one that strikes an effective balance between avoiding false negatives, avoiding false positives, finding true positives, and holding down costs. The price, to law enforcement and to the individual selected for interrogation, of an initial stop-and-question, should be minimized. Everything polite, everything done so as to impose minimal delay, and compensation if the inconvenience is nontrivial.

A lot of us have been on the receiving end of false positives, even us palefaces. Pulled over for further checking at airports, given a grilling while reentering the U.S. all grubby from canoeing, or what have you, it’s annoying but one must keep a sense of perspective. The guys hassling you really aren’t doing it for a hoot. They aren’t out to get you. And if you just smile and keep up the confident straight answers, they’ll eventually realize that they’re barking up the wrong tree.

Precious few of us have never been legitimately stopped for a traffic violation. The officer making the stop doesn’t know whether this is just another stop like almost all the others and nothing more than another five minutes of calling stuff in, or whether it’s going to escalate into a fight. We civilians can hold down the cost [in high blood pressure, for starters] to ourselves and them by keeping everything polite and calm on our end too.

Here’s the thing….

You see the law makes it legal for the police to ask not only legal immigrants but also united states citizens for proof that they are hear legally. and here in turn is the only response any united states citizen needs to give in such a situation.

s928.photobucket.com

143 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:28:20pm

re: #73 brookly red

do they still have candy grams? have not heard that in a dogs age…

Knock, knock, knock…plumber.

Plumber? I didn’t ask for a plumber?

Telegram…

I don’t think so, your that “land shark” aren’t you?

Candygram!

Oh ok, hang on…aaiiieeeggghh!

144 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:28:31pm

re: #130 darthstar

He’ll get a bunch of those endorsements back after he wins a few tournaments. One thing people (and corporations especially) learned from the Bush years…Americans have very short memories.

even if it’s only a one-year hiatus, it has to be upwards of 20-30MM.

that is some expensive tomfoolery right thar…

145 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:29:13pm

re: #142 jamesfirecat

That’s one fucked up image link, James…try again.

146 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:29:37pm

Pan’s Labyrinth

wonderful movie

a similar, and vastly more neglected movie is MirrorMask

147 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:29:39pm

re: #140 austin_blue

I think that’s a horrible thing to force upon SJ! Bad RP!

Yeah, but he’s from Space. If he calls and the Stalkers trace the call, they won’t be able to get at him without a rocket. And the Stalker Blog is not noted for Rocket Scientists. :D

148 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:29:58pm

re: #144 Aceofwhat?

even if it’s only a one-year hiatus, it has to be upwards of 20-30MM.

that is some expensive tomfoolery right thar…

He won’t even feel it.

149 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:30:31pm

re: #145 darthstar

That’s one fucked up image link, James…try again.

You can still see the picture (on my machine) but if you insist…

Image: 04272010judge04-27-10slideshow_main.jpg

150 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:32:28pm

re: #149 jamesfirecat

You can still see the picture (on my machine) but if you insist…

Image: 04272010judge04-27-10slideshow_main.jpg

Much better…the link you put was to a slide show and didn’t display.

151 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:32:29pm

re: #143 ausador

Knock, knock, knock…plumber.

Plumber? I didn’t ask for a plumber?

Telegram…

I don’t think so, your that “land shark” aren’t you?

Candygram!

Oh ok, hang on…aaiiieeeggghh!


Pimf…

spike.com

152 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:32:36pm

re: #135 Reginald Perrin

I put forth a motion that Space Jesus has to listen to the radio show and report back the worst of their idiocy.

Anyone second the motion?

Yes, but I’m probably 4th or 5th by now…

153 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:33:11pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve started watching Pan’s Labyrinth. It’s remarkable, the ten minutes or so I’ve seen. Is it going to break my heart if I keep going?

What a great movie.

154 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:33:55pm

re: #151 ausador

Knock, knock!
Candygram! Candygram for ausador!

155 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:34:07pm

re: #140 austin_blue


I think that’s a horrible thing to force upon SJ! Bad RP!


I’ll buy him a couple Pan Galactic Gargle-Blasters and he’ll be just fine.

156 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:34:41pm

re: #148 darthstar

He won’t even feel it.

i’m sure you’re right, but it boggles the mind.

157 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:34:55pm

Arizona Birther Bill is ‘Set Aside’

damn. and here i thought we were gonna finally be able to find out who killed jimmy hoffa and the true identity of b traven

158 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:34:56pm

re: #136 laZardo

And that’s why Texas isn’t advancing, if that’s the kind of district he runs.

Absolutely. Delay ran the redistricting after the 2000 census and we got Congressional Districts that the WaPo described as looking like a “cheap pin-striped suit”.

Accurate. It went to court, and accommodations were made, but Austin is still the largest city in the country, and the only State Capital, that doesn’t have a US Rep in the City core. We are divided up into three Congressional Districts.

(Take that, People’s republic of Travis County!)

Keep in mind that most Dems in Texas would comfortably fit into the a NE Republican mind set. The R’s down here are batshit crazy.

159 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:35:00pm

re: #155 Reginald Perrin

I’ll buy him a couple Pan Galactic Gargle-Blasters and he’ll be just fine.

Once he gets over the sensation of having his brain bashed in by a large gold brick wrapped around a slice of lemon.

160 Gus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:35:25pm

BBL

161 darthstar  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:36:29pm

okay…time to take a break. Later, gators.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:37:21pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

My wife and I got a pair of “underwear for two” as a gag gift at our wedding. They were called “Fundies”.

Every time someone says “fundie” I think of underwear with four legholes.

163 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:37:42pm

Spurs are up by 10. I don’t know how the other games are going, but go spurs go!

164 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:38:26pm

re: #143 ausador

Knock, knock, knock…plumber.

Plumber? I didn’t ask for a plumber?

Telegram…

I don’t think so, your that “land shark” aren’t you?

Candygram!

Oh ok, hang on…aaiiieeeggghh!

Beat me to it. I was looking for a clip.

165 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:38:37pm

re: #142 jamesfirecat

In my opinion something has to be done. This AZ bill is better than requiring employers to verify work eligibility. Currently the Feds tell us we must accept 29 different forms of documentation, many only in combination with others, including day care records. Come on! This is total BS! The Feds must get control of the border. If the Feds cannot or will not do it, then the local police are the next best option. They are certainly more qualified than I am.

166 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:40:10pm

re: #165 compound idaho

In my opinion something has to be done. This AZ bill is better than requiring employers to verify work eligibility. Currently the Feds tell us we must accept 29 different forms of documentation, many only in combination with others, including day care records. Come on! This is total BS! The Feds must get control of the border. If the Feds cannot or will not do it, then the local police are the next best option. They are certainly more qualified than I am.

Yes its much better to hassle random people than to actually try an attack the problem of why they come here to find jobs!

167 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:40:23pm

re: #155 Reginald Perrin

I’ll buy him a couple Pan Galactic Gargle-Blasters and he’ll be just fine.

Email coming at you.

168 kj1313  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:42:17pm

re: #146 engineer dog

Love Mirrormask. Then again I love all of Neil Gaiman’s stuff.

169 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:42:55pm

re: #119 Floral Giraffe

Cool tip!
Works for Vampires too!

Also, if you do it over a couple of breeding seasons, you will kill off the eggs that would have been laid, and reduce the future population.

It works on aphids as well. I’ve been checking at night with a flashlight and the earthworms don’t seem bothered at all.

170 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:43:28pm

re: #165 compound idaho

In my opinion something has to be done. This AZ bill is better than requiring employers to verify work eligibility. Currently the Feds tell us we must accept 29 different forms of documentation, many only in combination with others, including day care records. Come on! This is total BS! The Feds must get control of the border. If the Feds cannot or will not do it, then the local police are the next best option. They are certainly more qualified than I am.

I was fired up against this bill when it first came out. I was listening to the hype, silly me. The left spin machine wants everyone to believe it’s the coming of nazism. From what I can see, all it does is say that if someone commits a crime, they can be questioned about their citizenship. Just as if there was reason to believe they had drugs. Oh, the horror. I can almost hear the stormtroopers marching.

171 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:43:38pm

re: #123 jaunte

This guy eats the slugs in my garden. I don’t think he likes garlic…
Image: hottubfrog.jpg

I’m hoping (hopping) to get some frogs in my pond this summer.

172 laZardo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:43:45pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife and I got a pair of “underwear for two” as a gag gift at our wedding. They were called “Fundies”.

Every time someone says “fundie” I think of underwear with four legholes.

“Baseball is wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk.” - (as should have been said by) Confucius

/just saved a whole folder off of 4chan a few minutes ago. :3

173 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:44:54pm

The Feds must get control of the border

nothing is going to happen until many very profitable businesses that depend on exploiting illegal aliens somehow become unable to bribe legislators

when this subject was last agitated under bush, some northern tier state tried to enforce the existing laws by raiding businesses that employed lots of illegal workers

that lasted less than a week before it was discreetly quashed

174 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:45:16pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

It works on aphids as well. I’ve been checking at night with a flashlight and the earthworms don’t seem bothered at all.

that is just cool. you’re about the only dude who says ‘i’ve been checking the earthworms at night with a flashlight’ and i just nod as i read.

i mean that in the most complimentary fashion possible. you’re a good dude.

175 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:45:25pm

re: #131 cliffster

that’s awesome. I wonder if you just plant garlic around the garden, if it’d be slug kryptonite.

It will help but slugs will still eat garlic leaves. It’s the bulb that they hate. Anyways, plant all the garlic you can. Dig up the bulbs and spray them around. It’s free!

176 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:46:22pm

re: #170 cliffster

I was fired up against this bill when it first came out. I was listening to the hype, silly me. The left spin machine wants everyone to believe it’s the coming of nazism. From what I can see, all it does is say that if someone commits a crime, they can be questioned about their citizenship. Just as if there was reason to believe they had drugs. Oh, the horror. I can almost hear the stormtroopers marching.

there is a lot of hype for sure.

177 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:46:59pm

re: #165 compound idaho

i should conform to the re: format and refer you to my post at #173

178 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:47:03pm

re: #174 Aceofwhat?

that is just cool. you’re about the only dude who says ‘i’ve been checking the earthworms at night with a flashlight’ and i just nod as i read.

i mean that in the most complimentary fashion possible. you’re a good dude.

That’s only because you know what I’m doing in the middle of the night with my flashlight in the garden. My neighbours have no clue and think I’m a freak.

179 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:48:03pm

re: #165 compound idaho

In my opinion something has to be done. This AZ bill is better than requiring employers to verify work eligibility. Currently the Feds tell us we must accept 29 different forms of documentation, many only in combination with others, including day care records. Come on! This is total BS! The Feds must get control of the border. If the Feds cannot or will not do it, then the local police are the next best option. They are certainly more qualified than I am.

So, what does an illegal alien look like?

180 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:48:06pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

That’s only because you know what I’m doing in the middle of the night with my flashlight in the garden. My neighbours have no clue and think I’m a freak.

what are they doing in the middle of the night watching you?

181 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:48:14pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

It will help but slugs will still eat garlic leaves. It’s the bulb that they hate. Anyways, plant all the garlic you can. Dig up the bulbs and spray them around. It’s free!

I love garlic. I planted some in a random place in a field nearby. No one will ever see it.. I’ll just go get it when it’s ready.

182 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:48:49pm

re: #177 engineer dog

i should conform to the re: format and refer you to my post at #173

Welcome Hatchling! You’ve likely heard that already, but I want to welcome you to LGF.

183 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:49:46pm

re: #179 austin_blue

So, what does an illegal alien look like?

Like anyone else.

184 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:50:11pm

re: #170 cliffster

I was fired up against this bill when it first came out. I was listening to the hype, silly me. The left spin machine wants everyone to believe it’s the coming of nazism. From what I can see, all it does is say that if someone commits a crime, they can be questioned about their citizenship. Just as if there was reason to believe they had drugs. Oh, the horror. I can almost hear the stormtroopers marching.


azleg.gov

I’m worried about this

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).


And this……

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

Wouldn’t being an illegal immigrant be a public offense for which someone can be removed from the US?

Thus a lay enforcement officer can arrest any person they want who they think is an illegal immigrant on sight?

But I leave it to a law lizard more well versed in law to tell me if I’ve got the right of it or if I’m mistaken.

185 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:50:23pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

why, thank you!

i aspire to be the first barking lizard

186 laZardo  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:50:45pm

re: #179 austin_blue

So, what does an illegal alien look like?

The hell if I know, I’m pretty sure I already have my documentation worked out.

187 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:51:12pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Like anyone else.

Hence the problem, eh? And the police can be sued for not enforcing the law?

Epic Fail.

188 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:51:17pm

re: #177 engineer dog

Are you on a mission from dog too?

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

ditto

189 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:52:02pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

[Link: www.azleg.gov…]

I’m worried about this

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

And this…

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

Wouldn’t being an illegal immigrant be a public offense for which someone can be removed from the US?

Thus a lay enforcement officer can arrest any person they want who they think is an illegal immigrant on sight?

But I leave it to a law lizard more well versed in law to tell me if I’ve got the right of it or if I’m mistaken.

PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c). , better ask the feds?

190 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:52:12pm

re: #187 austin_blue

Hence the problem, eh? And the police can be sued for not enforcing the law?

Epic Fail.

To quote Jon Stewart

HELP, POLICE NEUTRALITY!

191 avanti  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:53:11pm

re: #170 cliffster

I was fired up against this bill when it first came out. I was listening to the hype, silly me. The left spin machine wants everyone to believe it’s the coming of nazism. From what I can see, all it does is say that if someone commits a crime, they can be questioned about their citizenship. Just as if there was reason to believe they had drugs. Oh, the horror. I can almost hear the stormtroopers marching.

The bill says they can question you after any “legal contact” In other words, they simply need to come up with a reason to stop and question you. Like not signaling a lane change, loitering, J walking and so on. It’ll be like “driving while black”, they’ll find a excuse. To the best of my knowledge, a cop can stop and question you just on suspicion, like asking why are you in this area if you seem out of place. i.e. a white guy in a BMW parked near a crack house, or gang bangers in a up scale area.
I could be wrong, but legal contact seems pretty broad.

192 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:53:14pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

I would suggest not listening to the liberal machine on this topic. They are very scared that the Republicans have made a move on this issue that needed action. And they’re doing their best to spin it into the gestapo.

193 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:53:38pm

re: #179 austin_blue

So, what does an illegal alien look like?

No idea. Best we leave it to the professionals, not the corner dry cleaner, farmer, or day care. Wait a minute day-care documentation is acceptable.
Maybe they know.

194 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:53:55pm

re: #188 Reginald Perrin

dog is dead

- ehcsztein

ehcsztein is dead

- dog

195 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:54:56pm

re: #194 engineer dog

dog is dead

- ehcsztein

ehcsztein is dead

- dog

there dead Jim.

196 jaunte  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:55:25pm

re: #189 brookly red

PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c). , better ask the feds?

Looks like it requires a response:

Sec. 1373
(c) Obligation to respond to inquiries
The Immigration and Naturalization Service shall respond to an
inquiry by a Federal, State, or local government agency, seeking to
verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any
individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose
authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or
status information.


law.onecle.com

197 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:56:20pm

re: #191 avanti

That’s the way it is with drunk driving, drug possession - that’s the way it is with any crime. It is what it is. On the other hand, the liberals are trying to make people think that cops will have the go-ahead to seek out illegals.. that they can question a person for probable cause of illegality. It’s a lie, and they’re doing it because they know that people are going to be happy that someone is trying to do something about the immigration problem.

198 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:56:53pm

re: #192 cliffster

I would suggest not listening to the liberal machine on this topic. They are very scared that the Republicans have made a move on this issue that needed action. And they’re doing their best to spin it into the gestapo.

Dude I’m not listening to the liberal machine, I have a quote from the bill itself, can someone who is an expert in law help interpret it for me?

199 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:57:43pm

re: #188 Reginald Perrin

Are you on a mission from dog too?


No..but I did sell my soul to Santa..

How is everybody?

200 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:58:00pm

re: #191 avanti

The bill says they can question you after any “legal contact” In other words, they simply need to come up with a reason to stop and question you. Like not signaling a lane change, loitering, J walking and so on. It’ll be like “driving while black”, they’ll find a excuse. To the best of my knowledge, a cop can stop and question you just on suspicion, like asking why are you in this area if you seem out of place. i.e. a white guy in a BMW parked near a crack house, or gang bangers in a up scale area.
I could be wrong, but legal contact seems pretty broad.

that’s been my impression. on its face, the po-po need legal contact…but legal contact is pretty easy to come by.

so then i took FBV’s advice (yeah, yeah) and thought about what i’d recommend instead.

can a state pass a law which expels an illegal from their border? how about just saying that people convicted of a crime in excess of a simple ticket will prove their immigration status or be kicked the F—- out of the state?

201 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:58:14pm

re: #197 cliffster

That’s the way it is with drunk driving, drug possession - that’s the way it is with any crime. It is what it is. On the other hand, the liberals are trying to make people think that cops will have the go-ahead to seek out illegals.. that they can question a person for probable cause of illegality. It’s a lie, and they’re doing it because they know that people are going to be happy that someone is trying to do something about the immigration problem.

Well, if its figuring out if a crime suspect is an illegal, I have no problem with that.

202 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:58:19pm

re: #197 cliffster

That’s the way it is with drunk driving, drug possession - that’s the way it is with any crime. It is what it is. On the other hand, the liberals are trying to make people think that cops will have the go-ahead to seek out illegals.. that they can question a person for probable cause of illegality. It’s a lie, and they’re doing it because they know that people are going to be happy that someone is trying to do something about the immigration problem.

The law isn’t worded so that a crime has to be committed or that an officer even has to have to have reasonable cause. If they don’t have enough evidence to search a person, they should not have the right to ask for papers. Period.

203 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:58:24pm

re: #197 cliffster

That’s the way it is with drunk driving, drug possession - that’s the way it is with any crime. It is what it is. On the other hand, the liberals are trying to make people think that cops will have the go-ahead to seek out illegals.. that they can question a person for probable cause of illegality. It’s a lie, and they’re doing it because they know that people are going to be happy that someone is trying to do something about the immigration problem.

Yes Liberals are unhappy that people are doing something that might solve one of American’s problems, because everyone knows deep downs liberals hate America!

204 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:58:32pm

sheesh, spurs had a 23 point lead, and they gave it all up. WTF??

205 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:58:41pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

I spoke with one of my customers today who likes the AZ immigration bill, SB 1070. He’s Hispanic, a retired firefighter, and works part time as an EMT who gets called to border incidents every week or so. He spoke with a friend of his who lives in Tucson and is a first generation legal immigrant from Mexico, and a high-achiever, and that guy also likes SB 1070.

Just can’t pigeon-hole anybody anymore! /

I don’t dislike the bill on its face. After all when I go to Europe, I’m required to show my passport and in many places a visa as well.

However, I can guarantee that I’m not going to be asked to show any documentation in Arizona. They’re not going to ask because I’m white.

I don’t think any of our Canadian or English, German, Dutch, Indian or Irish friends need to worry about it much, either. Even if they’ve overstayed a student or H1B visa.

This is a law that’s designed to harass Mexicans.

If they enforce it fairly, it’s also going to harass white people.

The ultimate irony is that the same people who are pushing this crap are also worried that Obama’s got FEMA camps and that Real ID is the mark of the beast - and that’s what bothers me the most. One law for me and for thee should be the way things work here. If Mexicans or Guatemalans or people who might possibly look like they’re Mexican need to show their papers, then Arizona should just welcome Real ID, too.

206 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:58:46pm

re: #197 cliffster

That’s the way it is with drunk driving, drug possession - that’s the way it is with any crime. It is what it is. On the other hand, the liberals are trying to make people think that cops will have the go-ahead to seek out illegals.. that they can question a person for probable cause of illegality. It’s a lie, and they’re doing it because they know that people are going to be happy that someone is trying to do something about the immigration problem.

the standard isn’t probable cause, it’s reasonable suspicion.

207 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:59:34pm

re: #204 cliffster

sheesh, spurs had a 23 point lead, and they gave it all up. WTF??

i can’t believe it either. not that either team will beat the Lakers, but still…

208 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 6:59:47pm

re: #202 ShaunP

The law isn’t worded so that a crime has to be committed or that an officer even has to have to have reasonable cause. If they don’t have enough evidence to search a person, they should not have the right to ask for papers. Period.

Shoot… “probable cause”

PIMF…

209 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:00:07pm

re: #203 jamesfirecat

Yes Liberals are unhappy that people are doing something that might solve one of American’s problems, because everyone knows deep downs liberals hate America!

That’s how we roll.

210 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:00:10pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

It works on aphids as well. I’ve been checking at night with a flashlight and the earthworms don’t seem bothered at all.

Ladybugs are great. Buy fresh ones, and the funny part is when you release them at dusk, many people recommend spraying them with soda pop (Coke) which makes their wings stick for 24 hours , so they stick around! I haven’t bought Ladybugs here, TONS of larvae! They’re weird looking, but Ladybugs are good!

211 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:00:26pm

re: #202 ShaunP

The law isn’t worded so that a crime has to be committed or that an officer even has to have to have reasonable cause. If they don’t have enough evidence to search a person, they should not have the right to ask for papers. Period.

Concur.

212 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:01:15pm

re: #192 cliffster

I would suggest not listening to the liberal machine on this topic. They are very scared that the Republicans have made a move on this issue that needed action. And they’re doing their best to spin it into the gestapo.

Have you read the law? It’s a carte blanche for any “legal contact”. How many white guys in BMW’s will be pulled over and asked for their Birth Certificate or Passport (the only legal documents that pass muster under the law) if they drift out of their lane while on a cellular call? How many soccer moms in Land Crushers?

It’s a plain and simple anti-hispanic bill and anyone who paints it otherwise is being disingenuous. Walks, quacks, swims, it’s a duck.

213 sandbox  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:01:40pm

The new law has certainly helped one person already. Gov. Jan Brewer’s poll numbers are way up both in her primary and the general election.

214 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:01:51pm

re: #206 SpaceJesus

the standard isn’t probable cause, it’s reasonable suspicion.

you don’t need either at a sobriety check point… it’s a public safety issue.

215 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:01:59pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

Ladybugs are great. Buy fresh ones, and the funny part is when you release them at dusk, many people recommend spraying them with soda pop (Coke) which makes their wings stick for 24 hours , so they stick around! I haven’t bought Ladybugs here, TONS of larvae! They’re weird looking, but Ladybugs are good!

In Iowa we’ve had infestations of Japanese beetles, which look like ladybugs but are not as benign. Not only that but they bite!

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:02:15pm

re: #143 ausador

Knock, knock, knock…plumber.

Plumber? I didn’t ask for a plumber?

Telegram…

I don’t think so, your that “land shark” aren’t you?

Candygram!

Oh ok, hang on…aaiiieeeggghh!

I once referenced ‘land shark’ in a meeting about office security shortly after 9/11. I don’t think anyone got it.

217 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:02:25pm

re: #203 jamesfirecat

Yes Liberals are unhappy that people are doing something that might solve one of American’s problems, because everyone knows deep downs liberals hate America!

2010 elections.

218 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:02:39pm

re: #197 cliffster

REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN

could you or somebody else please explain to me what ‘reasonable suspicion’ that a person is an alien would amount to in practice if it did not, as the law also specifically requires, have anything to do with racial profiling?

219 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:02:48pm

re: #199 PT Barnum

Updinging you for clever posts.

220 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:03:24pm

re: #202 ShaunP

The law isn’t worded so that a crime has to be committed or that an officer even has to have to have reasonable cause. If they don’t have enough evidence to search a person, they should not have the right to ask for papers. Period.

Double concur. This is the typical, well if it doesn’t bother me and it’s intended goal is “good” I’m OK with losing rights.

221 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:03:32pm

re: #213 sandbox

The new law has certainly helped one person already. Gov. Jan Brewer’s poll numbers are way up both in her primary and the general election.

And that’s why the good people of Arizona elected her, so she could pass laws that made her numbers go up!

222 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:03:45pm

re: #214 brookly red

you don’t need either at a sobriety check point… it’s a public safety issue.

true, and it’s a completely different issue

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:03:45pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife and I got a pair of “underwear for two” as a gag gift at our wedding. They were called “Fundies”.

Every time someone says “fundie” I think of underwear with four legholes.

You know, I’m all for a man and his wife becoming one flesh, but I still think that in a healthy relationship, everyone should have his or her own underpants.

224 erraticsphinx  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:03:53pm

The Pima County sheriff was on MSNBC saying that this law lets the public SUE the police , if they believe that they are not enforcing it.

How do you figure out if they ARE enforcing it?
Is there going to be a certain quota of illegal immigrants caught?
Are people going to be waiting outside work sites to make sure the day laborers get caught? Will they file a lawsuit when they find out they been arrested?

This law is impossible to enforce without profiling racially.
The governor of Arizona knew it when she bullshitted about seeking “training” for the police.

It’s the brainchild of Kris Kobach, a totally loathsome character, and it has no place in today’s America.

225 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:04:04pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

Ladybugs are great. Buy fresh ones, and the funny part is when you release them at dusk, many people recommend spraying them with soda pop (Coke) which makes their wings stick for 24 hours , so they stick around! I haven’t bought Ladybugs here, TONS of larvae! They’re weird looking, but Ladybugs are good!

i was shocked out of my skin the first time one of those asian multicolored ladybugs bit me. didn’t run into them as a kid…it’s not very painful, just surprising - freaked me out!

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:04:15pm

re: #165 compound idaho

In my opinion something has to be done. This AZ bill is better than requiring employers to verify work eligibility. Currently the Feds tell us we must accept 29 different forms of documentation, many only in combination with others, including day care records. Come on! This is total BS! The Feds must get control of the border. If the Feds cannot or will not do it, then the local police are the next best option. They are certainly more qualified than I am.

I don’t think the AZ bill gets employers off the hook at all, does it?

227 erraticsphinx  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:04:23pm

re: #224 erraticsphinx

they haven’t* been arrested

228 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:04:32pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

It works on aphids as well. I’ve been checking at night with a flashlight and the earthworms don’t seem bothered at all.

I’ve had sickeningly good results with shallow beer traps. Takes me about 2 weeks and 2 beers to knock down a seasonal attack on raised beds.

229 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:04:47pm

re: #215 PT Barnum

In Iowa we’ve had infestations of Japanese beetles, which look like ladybugs but are not as benign. Not only that but they bite!

gmta!

230 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:05:13pm

re: #217 cliffster

2010 elections.

Hang your hat on that, because Republicans are in danger of alienating the fastest growing minority bloc in the country.

231 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:05:14pm

re: #212 austin_blue

Have you read the law? It’s a carte blanche for any “legal contact”. How many white guys in BMW’s will be pulled over and asked for their Birth Certificate or Passport (the only legal documents that pass muster under the law) if they drift out of their lane while on a cellular call? How many soccer moms in Land Crushers?

It’s a plain and simple anti-hispanic bill and anyone who paints it otherwise is being disingenuous. Walks, quacks, swims, it’s a duck.

Look, this is how it works with all laws. Are you going to say the same thing about other crimes? Are drunk driving laws anti-hispanic? This bill is not the second coming of the nazis that the left wants you to think it is. But you are welcome to buy the hype if you like.

232 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:05:30pm

re: #219 austin_blue

Updinging you for clever posts.

Well thank you

233 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:05:39pm

re: #218 engineer dog

REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN

could you or somebody else please explain to me what ‘reasonable suspicion’ that a person is an alien would amount to in practice if it did not, as the law also specifically requires, have anything to do with racial profiling?

well let’s say you are pulled over for any reason and can not produce a licence & insurance card… you may be an alien or not.

234 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:06:03pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, I’m all for a man and his wife becoming one flesh, but I still think that in a healthy relationship, everyone should have his or her own underpants.

Or not any. At least in the rack.

235 avanti  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:06:09pm

re: #197 cliffster

That’s the way it is with drunk driving, drug possession - that’s the way it is with any crime. It is what it is. On the other hand, the liberals are trying to make people think that cops will have the go-ahead to seek out illegals.. that they can question a person for probable cause of illegality. It’s a lie, and they’re doing it because they know that people are going to be happy that someone is trying to do something about the immigration problem.

Not really, never had a cop stop me at a sobriety check point and ask me to prove citizenship, or even when speeding. I’d have no problem with a law that turned them over to ICE on any felony conviction for example.

236 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:06:12pm

re: #187 austin_blue

Hence the problem, eh? And the police can be sued for not enforcing the law?

Epic Fail.

What I’m wondering about is the provision which makes it illegal to transport an illegal alien. Does that mean that Greyhound, Amtrak and Delta need to check passports before going in to AZ or suffer a fine?

237 erraticsphinx  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:06:21pm

re: #230 tnguitarist

Absolutely right, this will have short - term gains for them in 2010, most likely.

In the long run, they are toast in AZ and TX. They never learned their lesson from CA.

238 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:06:28pm

re: #224 erraticsphinx

Yes, must be repeated, Kris Kobach. Read up on him, here at LGF to start.

Understand where this came from, regardless of where you want the US to end up with immigration reform.

239 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:07:22pm

How do you tell someone is an alien? Is it the gray skin, big eyes, or extensible neck?

240 erraticsphinx  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:07:46pm

re: #236 ~Fianna

I was wondering about that. Again, this law is totally reactionary.

241 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:07:51pm

re: #239 PT Barnum

How do you tell someone is an alien? Is it the gray skin, big eyes, or extensible neck?

Okay..but that one phone call is gonna have a helluva roaming charge

242 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:07:59pm

re: #231 cliffster

Look, this is how it works with all laws. Are you going to say the same thing about other crimes? Are drunk driving laws anti-hispanic? This bill is not the second coming of the nazis that the left wants you to think it is. But you are welcome to buy the hype if you like.

Drunk driving laws arrest people based on a verifiable facts, like how they were driving wildly and then their BAC.

What verifiable events do we have for telling if someone is an illegal immigrant on sight? Or do you believe that they dress differently right down to their shoes than normal Americans?

243 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:08:14pm

re: #239 PT Barnum

How do you tell someone is an alien? Is it the gray skin, big eyes, or extensible neck?

One Congressman claimed he could tell by the shoes they wore…

244 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:08:20pm

re: #237 erraticsphinx

Absolutely right, this will have short - term gains for them in 2010, most likely.

In the long run, they are toast in AZ and TX. They never learned their lesson from CA.

I keep telling my wife that Texas will be blue in the next 10-15 years.

245 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:08:31pm

re: #230 tnguitarist

Hang your hat on that, because Republicans are in danger of alienating the fastest growing minority bloc in the country.

Agreed. That’s part of why I’m not a fan of this bill.

246 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:08:55pm

re: #235 avanti

Not really, never had a cop stop me at a sobriety check point and ask me to prove citizenship, or even when speeding. I’d have no problem with a law that turned them over to ICE on any felony conviction for example.

I think sobriety check points are crap. You are essentially pulling everyone over without any reason. Let’s go door-to-door and search people’s houses for drugs. fuck that

247 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:09:03pm

re: #239 PT Barnum

How do you tell someone is an alien? Is it the gray skin, big eyes, or extensible neck?

Close resemblance to this man is a clue

Image: Henry_Waxman.jpg

248 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:09:11pm

re: #239 PT Barnum

How do you tell someone is an alien? Is it the gray skin, big eyes, or extensible neck?

Its the tentacles you fool!

249 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:09:12pm

re: #243 webevintage

One Congressman claimed he could tell by the shoes they wore…

The 12 toes should have given it away..

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:09:40pm

re: #170 cliffster

I was fired up against this bill when it first came out. I was listening to the hype, silly me. The left spin machine wants everyone to believe it’s the coming of nazism. From what I can see, all it does is say that if someone commits a crime, they can be questioned about their citizenship. Just as if there was reason to believe they had drugs. Oh, the horror. I can almost hear the stormtroopers marching.

A question, then. In this article, two illegal immigrants who have recently been deported say that they were picked up by the cops, one for jaywalking and traffic tickets, and the other for a driving violation, and they were turned over to ICE once their illegal status was noted.

This happened before the law in question, one of them was last year. So what you describe as ‘all it does’ was something that was already happening under the law. What’s changed, and how will it improve the immigration situation in AZ?

Also, please note the phenomenon of repeated entries. Just because you toss someone over the border don’t mean they ain’t comin’ back.

251 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:10:03pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

Well, if its figuring out if a crime suspect is an illegal, I have no problem with that.

The problem is that “crime” can mean anything.

Say you’re an American citizen who is visiting Arizona for a convention. You get pulled over by the cops for making a lane change in your rental car with out signaling. If the cop wants to be a jerk, especially if you’re darker skinned, he can demand proof of citizenship.

All you have is a driver’s license.

Now what?

252 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:10:18pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. That’s part of why I’m not a fan of this bill.

I’m in favor..anytime the left or right wing wants to shoot itself in the foot gives the sensible middle a chance to actually get something done.

254 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:10:49pm

re: #243 webevintage

One Congressman claimed he could tell by the shoes they wore…

Ladies and gentlemen we have our next gameshow! Lets get an American of Spanish decent, a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. If that congressman can’t correctly label all three the two immigrants get visas and the American gets cash prizes!

255 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:10:52pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. That’s part of why I’m not a fan of this bill.

I am not sure the bill is even intended to stick, I think it is intended force action. I could be wrong, but I am not thinking so.

256 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:11:01pm

re: #242 jamesfirecat

Drunk driving laws arrest people based on a verifiable facts, like how they were driving wildly and then their BAC.

What verifiable events do we have for telling if someone is an illegal immigrant on sight? Or do you believe that they dress differently right down to their shoes than normal Americans?

Ask for their ID, they say, “sorry, I don’t have it”. That would be suspicious.

257 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:11:02pm

re: #233 brookly red

pulled over

true, but since people are pulled over and asked for a driver’s license many thousands of times each day, what would be added to this situation by the new law?

258 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:11:04pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

Close resemblance to this man is a clue

Image: Henry_Waxman.jpg

LOL!

259 sandbox  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:11:41pm

Whatever happened to the fence on the border? It took W years to finally start the project. Now Obama has given up on it. The fence may eliminate the need for laws like the latest from Az.

260 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:11:55pm

re: #249 PT Barnum

The 12 toes should have given it away..

Youtube Video

261 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:11:57pm

re: #255 brookly red

I am not sure the bill is even intended to stick, I think it is intended force action. I could be wrong, but I am not thinking so.

Sadly, that does not matter. It will enrage Latinos and that effect will outweigh any positive effects it might have.

262 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:12:01pm

re: #251 ~Fianna

The problem is that “crime” can mean anything.

Say you’re an American citizen who is visiting Arizona for a convention. You get pulled over by the cops for making a lane change in your rental car with out signaling. If the cop wants to be a jerk, especially if you’re darker skinned, he can demand proof of citizenship.

All you have is a driver’s license.

Now what?

you tell them you ss# & they run it to see if it matches the name on your licence.

263 Racer X  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:12:02pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

Close resemblance to this man is a clue

Image: Henry_Waxman.jpg

Yikes!

Nostrildamus.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:12:02pm

re: #197 cliffster

That’s the way it is with drunk driving, drug possession - that’s the way it is with any crime. It is what it is. On the other hand, the liberals are trying to make people think that cops will have the go-ahead to seek out illegals.. that they can question a person for probable cause of illegality. It’s a lie, and they’re doing it because they know that people are going to be happy that someone is trying to do something about the immigration problem.

I’m not worried about the cops ‘seeking out’ illegals. I’ve made it pretty damn clear what my worries are, and I’ll tell you, what I’ve gotten back have mostly been platitudes.

265 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:12:26pm

re: #259 sandbox

Whatever happened to the fence on the border? It took W years to finally start the project. Now Obama has given up on it.

Has he?

266 avanti  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:12:42pm

re: #218 engineer dog

REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN

could you or somebody else please explain to me what ‘reasonable suspicion’ that a person is an alien would amount to in practice if it did not, as the law also specifically requires, have anything to do with racial profiling?

It’s simple, I saw it on the NBC news tonight. A reporter was interviewing a legal Mexican immigrant on the street and a guy in a truck hollered “If Mexico is so great, why don’t you go back”
If the man on the street can ID Hispanics by skin color, surely the police can.

267 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:12:51pm

re: #256 cliffster

Ask for their ID, they say, “sorry, I don’t have it”. That would be suspicious.

So what, ANYONE, ANYWHERE in Arizona needs to have their ID on them at all times?

268 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:13:06pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

A question, then. In this article, two illegal immigrants who have recently been deported say that they were picked up by the cops, one for jaywalking and traffic tickets, and the other for a driving violation, and they were turned over to ICE once their illegal status was noted.

This happened before the law in question, one of them was last year. So what you describe as ‘all it does’ was something that was already happening under the law. What’s changed, and how will it improve the immigration situation in AZ?

Also, please note the phenomenon of repeated entries. Just because you toss someone over the border don’t mean they ain’t comin’ back.

I’m not even arguing the wisdom of trying to remove people from the country. I’m saying that the bill is being painted as this horrible, nazi-like, anti Mexican, racist bill, and that is a lie being pushed by the left.

269 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:13:21pm

re: #228 Decatur Deb

I’ve had sickeningly good results with shallow beer traps. Takes me about 2 weeks and 2 beers to knock down a seasonal attack on raised beds.

I gave up on the beer traps. It really pissed me off to watch a slug drink his fill and slink away. I watched it happen too many times and if I’m going to buy beer I want to drink it instead of giving it to slugs.

270 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:13:22pm

re: #257 engineer dog

pulled over

true, but since people are pulled over and asked for a driver’s license many thousands of times each day, what would be added to this situation by the new law?

You can also ask for the IDs of anyone riding in the car with the guy or girl who was driving.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:13:26pm

re: #205 ~Fianna


The ultimate irony is that the same people who are pushing this crap are also worried that Obama’s got FEMA camps and that Real ID is the mark of the beast - and that’s what bothers me the most. One law for me and for thee should be the way things work here.

This is the part that baffles me. Considering all the hysterics about the government coming to take us away, you’d think this would scare some of the more nervous among us.

272 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:13:35pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

So what, ANYONE, ANYWHERE in Arizona needs to have their ID on them at all times?

same as 41 other states…

273 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:13:43pm

re: #262 brookly red

you tell them you ss# & they run it to see if it matches the name on your licence.

SS# isn’t proof of citizenship.

274 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:13:52pm

What it comes down to is that for all the screaming on the right about Obama trying to take away our liberties, the right wing when given the chance will do exactly what they are accusing everyone else of, only it’s okay because they’re only targeting those dirty illegals.

I had a friend who didn’t understand my concerns about warrantless wiretapping. “They’re only listening to people they are suspicious of” was his response, “and I’m not one of those people, so it doesn’t affect me.”

275 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:13:56pm

re: #246 cliffster

I think sobriety check points are crap. You are essentially pulling everyone over without any reason. Let’s go door-to-door and search people’s houses for drugs. fuck that


yeah, except those two things aren’t at all the same

276 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:14:11pm

re: #231 cliffster

Look, this is how it works with all laws. Are you going to say the same thing about other crimes? Are drunk driving laws anti-hispanic? This bill is not the second coming of the nazis that the left wants you to think it is. But you are welcome to buy the hype if you like.

Really? REALLY?!?!?

Look, dude, I don’t want to say that stupidity has become a National Sport, but the Law requires that Arizona Law Enforcement, visually, determine who is likely to be an illegal immigrant in a State that is 35% Hispanic and includes language to *sue them* if they don’t.

And it requires that anyone stopped either have have a US Passport or a birth certificate, as they are the only documents that will pass muster.

What’s in your wallet?

277 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:14:12pm

re: #273 ~Fianna

SS# isn’t proof of citizenship.

it’s a start.

278 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:14:20pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

So what, ANYONE, ANYWHERE in Arizona needs to have their ID on them at all times?

Actually, yes, I believe every state has some provision that requires you to have your ID on your person if you are out in public. I have broken this law many times while out on a run, but somehow escaped prosecution.

279 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:14:24pm

re: #239 PT Barnum

How do you tell someone is an alien? Is it the gray skin, big eyes, or extensible neck?

They eat bacon, drink beer and end every sentence with “eh?”

280 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:14:42pm

re: #262 brookly red

you tell them you ss# & they run it to see if it matches the name on your licence.

What if you don’t have your SS memorized?

281 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:14:49pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, that does not matter. It will enrage Latinos and that effect will outweigh any positive effects it might have.

And others.

282 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:05pm

re: #259 sandbox

Whatever happened to the fence on the border? It took W years to finally start the project. Now Obama has given up on it. The fence may eliminate the need for laws like the latest from Az.

I think the whole fence thing weirds people out a little. I know it could fix this, fix that…..blah, blah, blah…..but the idea of living in a country where there is a fence along the entire border? Maybe it’s just me.

Why not one along the Canadian border, too?

283 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:09pm

re: #268 cliffster

I’m not even arguing the wisdom of trying to remove people from the country. I’m saying that the bill is being painted as this horrible, nazi-like, anti Mexican, racist bill, and that is a lie being pushed by the left.

Do you think that they’re going to ask whites or Indians or Chinese people about their immigration status?

284 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:12pm

re: #266 avanti

It’s simple, I saw it on the NBC news tonight. A reporter was interviewing a legal Mexican immigrant on the street and a guy in a truck hollered “If Mexico is so great, why don’t you go back”
If the man on the street can ID Hispanics by skin color, surely the police can.

I hope that asshole in the truck had a major breakdown and had to walk home. I don’t like racists.

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:14pm

re: #204 cliffster

C’mon Mavs!

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:16pm

re: #231 cliffster

Look, this is how it works with all laws. Are you going to say the same thing about other crimes? Are drunk driving laws anti-hispanic? This bill is not the second coming of the nazis that the left wants you to think it is. But you are welcome to buy the hype if you like.

How is this how it works with all laws?

287 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:18pm

i just updinged spacejesus. anyone have a wetnap/

288 avanti  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:28pm

re: #246 cliffster

I think sobriety check points are crap. You are essentially pulling everyone over without any reason. Let’s go door-to-door and search people’s houses for drugs. fuck that

Perhaps, but the courts have ruled that is “legal contact” I once turned around from one because traffic was backed up and I thought it was a accident. I was chased down and had to do the whole sobriety test.

289 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:36pm

re: #263 Racer X

Yikes!

Nostrildamus.

Ding for the chuckle.

290 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:39pm

re: #280 jamesfirecat

What if you don’t have your SS memorized?

then you probably should not be driving.

291 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:41pm

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C’mon Mavs!

bite me, FBV

292 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:15:51pm

re: #236 ~Fianna

What I’m wondering about is the provision which makes it illegal to transport an illegal alien. Does that mean that Greyhound, Amtrak and Delta need to check passports before going in to AZ or suffer a fine?

New can of worms!

Thank you, Irish!

293 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:16:02pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

So what, ANYONE, ANYWHERE in Arizona needs to have their ID on them at all times?

I think you need more then your divers license if there is a chance the police might mistake you for an illegal even if you were born here. So I guess a birth certificate?

294 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:16:11pm

re: #266 avanti

It’s simple, I saw it on the NBC news tonight. A reporter was interviewing a legal Mexican immigrant on the street and a guy in a truck hollered “If Mexico is so great, why don’t you go back”
If the man on the street can ID Hispanics by skin color, surely the police can.

Damn.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:16:13pm

re: #239 PT Barnum

How do you tell someone is an alien? Is it the gray skin, big eyes, or extensible neck?

If they say ‘phone home’, you’ve got ‘em.

296 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:16:13pm

re: #280 jamesfirecat

What if you don’t have your SS memorized?

seriously?

297 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:16:19pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

You are correct as you so often are. I am just frustrated that business is required to enforce immigration law that it/we/I am not qualified to do. Perhaps large business can handle this, but I assure you small businesses cannot and should not have to.

298 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:16:44pm

re: #277 brookly red

it’s a start.

It’s not valid under the law as I understand it.

Do you carry a passport or US birth certificate around all the time?

I don’t.

Also, my birth certificate doesn’t match the name on my driver’s license.

299 avanti  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:16:55pm

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the part that baffles me. Considering all the hysterics about the government coming to take us away, you’d think this would scare some of the more nervous among us.

Why would it, we are mostly white ?/

300 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:17:08pm

re: #218 engineer dog

REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN

could you or somebody else please explain to me what ‘reasonable suspicion’ that a person is an alien would amount to in practice if it did not, as the law also specifically requires, have anything to do with racial profiling?

Large head, bald, almond shaped eyes, tiny nose and mouth, short, slight body, maybe dressed in nothing or else shiny skin-tight fabric. If driving, vehicle may appear to hover above the ground. References to Area 51 make the subject visibly nervous.

301 Racer X  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:17:10pm

Trippy Kitty

Image: 4532932853_3df399bdb5_o.jpg

302 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:17:13pm

re: #282 tnguitarist

I think the whole fence thing weirds people out a little. I know it could fix this, fix that…blah, blah, blah…but the idea of living in a country where there is a fence along the entire border? Maybe it’s just me.

Why not one along the Canadian border, too?

seriously?

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:17:47pm

re: #251 ~Fianna

The problem is that “crime” can mean anything.

Say you’re an American citizen who is visiting Arizona for a convention. You get pulled over by the cops for making a lane change in your rental car with out signaling. If the cop wants to be a jerk, especially if you’re darker skinned, he can demand proof of citizenship.

All you have is a driver’s license.

Now what?

That does seem to be the question. Is a driver’s license sufficient evidence of legal residence?

304 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:17:51pm

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C’mon Mavs!

Mr Vegetarian, don’t make me angry, you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry…

305 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:17:55pm

re: #246 cliffster

I think sobriety check points are crap. You are essentially pulling everyone over without any reason. Let’s go door-to-door and search people’s houses for drugs. fuck that

Yeah, fuck the fourth amendment!

306 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:18:04pm

re: #246 cliffster

I think sobriety check points are crap. You are essentially pulling everyone over without any reason. Let’s go door-to-door and search people’s houses for drugs. fuck that

seriously?

307 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:18:16pm

re: #270 jamesfirecat

under this scenario, the bill would be attempting to substantially reduce illegal immigration which has lead to an estimated 10 million undocumented workers by allowing police to also demand ID of all passengers on traffic stops

i don’t think think you’re gonna get the numbers you’re looking for just with that - what other new undocumented-catching activities would the bill lead to?

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:18:33pm

re: #256 cliffster

Ask for their ID, they say, “sorry, I don’t have it”. That would be suspicious.

We gonna assume that everyone with ID is legit?

309 sandbox  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:18:43pm

re: #282 tnguitarist

Because illegal immigrants aren’t coming here large numbers across the Canadian border. Duh…

310 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:18:44pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

In Los Angeles it has been required for years that we must have ID in public. Not just driving. If you do not have it they can take you in to determine your identity so they can run the warrant check.

311 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:18:53pm

re: #297 compound idaho

You are correct as you so often are. I am just frustrated that business is required to enforce immigration law that it/we/I am not qualified to do. Perhaps large business can handle this, but I assure you small businesses cannot and should not have to.

Well except for the guys who hire illegals because they are illegals and take advantage of them.

312 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:18:56pm

Illegal aliens also like rap music and drugs….
Youtube Video

313 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:19:01pm

re: #302 Aceofwhat?

seriously?

re: #306 Aceofwhat?

seriously?

Word of the Day !?!?!

//

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:19:07pm

re: #257 engineer dog

pulled over

true, but since people are pulled over and asked for a driver’s license many thousands of times each day, what would be added to this situation by the new law?

Well, the trucker dude they called ICE on had his commercial license with him, but the cops didn’t take it as evidence.

315 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:19:22pm

re: #290 brookly red

then you probably should not be driving.

Dude, seriously? Well I guess the only thing to do is go get that damn thing tattooed on my chest because I can barely remember my phone number…

316 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:19:34pm

re: #268 cliffster

I’m not even arguing the wisdom of trying to remove people from the country. I’m saying that the bill is being painted as this horrible, nazi-like, anti Mexican, racist bill, and that is a lie being pushed by the left.

It’s not just the left dearie. Tom Tancredo says it goes too far.

Yes, that Tom Tancredo.

317 erraticsphinx  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:19:46pm

I apologize if this has been mentioned already, but here is a total bastard trying to outdo himself within the GOP for having the most anti-immigrant hatred. Rank nativism.

Uh, deport them to WHERE? They are US Citizens.

This party won’t last long for the Republicans.

318 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:19:48pm

re: #262 brookly red

you tell them you ss# & they run it to see if it matches the name on your licence.

As I recall, the trucker dude also has a social. Did it not match?

319 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:20:05pm

re: #298 ~Fianna

It’s not valid under the law as I understand it.

Do you carry a passport or US birth certificate around all the time?

I don’t.

Also, my birth certificate doesn’t match the name on my driver’s license.

how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? look if you don’t like the law you can find some extreme circumstance where someone’s right might be infringed upon, well that’s what judges are for.

320 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:20:07pm

re: #305 jamesfirecat

Yeah, fuck the fourth amendment!

huh?

321 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:20:32pm

re: #315 jamesfirecat

Dude, seriously? Well I guess the only thing to do is go get that damn thing tattooed on my chest because I can barely remember my phone number…

Not all states use the Social Security number as the DL number. Iowa just switched to a different number letter combination. I don’t have it memorized. If I hadn’t had to use my SSN as an id in college I wouldn’t have it memorized either.

322 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:20:42pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

I gave up on the beer traps. It really pissed me off to watch a slug drink his fill and slink away. I watched it happen too many times and if I’m going to buy beer I want to drink it instead of giving it to slugs.

You must be dealing with slugs from a hard-drinkin’ state. Our Bama slugs have been weakened by generations of prohibitionist preachers.

(Got a Big Lots flyer today that has a 300 gal “swimming pool” for $30. It is shaped like an army blivet, and looks like it would catch rainwater for a couple years of seasonal use.)

323 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:21:10pm

re: #228 Decatur Deb

I’ve had sickeningly good results with shallow beer traps. Takes me about 2 weeks and 2 beers to knock down a seasonal attack on raised beds.

2 beers in 2 weeks, we need to get you some help!
//

324 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:21:12pm

re: #300 Tigger2005

References to Area 51 make the subject visibly nervous.

would the driver’s licenses of such pers - uh, individuals exist in more than 3 dimensions?

325 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:21:13pm

re: #287 Aceofwhat?

i just updinged spacejesus. anyone have a wetnap/

Oooh! TMI!

I didn’t think you would have that reaction…

326 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:21:19pm

re: #316 austin_blue

It’s not just the left dearie. Tom Tancredo says it goes too far.

Yes, that Tom Tancredo.

No, he doesn’t. Charles posted that, but it wasn’t true and he shortly corrected the post. Tancredo confirmed that he fully supported the bill.

327 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:21:33pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

We gonna assume that everyone with ID is legit?

non-platitude question alert…

is it naïve of me to think that this is the crux of the problem…that the simplest form of ID needs to be buttressed to the point that it’s a valid proof of citizenship?

(well…the crux of the problem is our stupid broken immigration system…but i mean with regard to verifying citizenship)

328 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:21:36pm

re: #309 sandbox

Because illegal immigrants aren’t coming here large numbers across the Canadian border. Duh…

I was being facetious. Duh…

329 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:21:56pm

re: #272 brookly red

same as 41 other states…

Watch though, that ID is usually not “proof of citzenship” or legal status.

330 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:22:00pm

re: #298 ~Fianna

It’s not valid under the law as I understand it.

Do you carry a passport or US birth certificate around all the time?

I don’t.

Also, my birth certificate doesn’t match the name on my driver’s license.

Exactly. Geeze. So you have to wait on the side of the road for some sort of verification? Or just off to the ICE holding pen till your spouse can leave work, go home, then go through whatever crap to get you out?

331 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:22:21pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

Has anyone put that police report online? Love to see what all was up on that stop.

332 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:22:30pm

re: #322 Decatur Deb

You must be dealing with slugs from a hard-drinkin’ state. Our Bama slugs have been weakened by generations of prohibitionist preachers.

(Got a Big Lots flyer today that has a 300 gal “swimming pool” for $30. It is shaped like an army blivet, and looks like it would catch rainwater for a couple years of seasonal use.)

Foolem..load up the beer with a cup of sea salt…they’ll dissolve from the inside…

333 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:22:33pm

re: #326 Tigger2005

No, he doesn’t. Charles posted that, but it wasn’t true and he shortly corrected the post. Tancredo confirmed that he fully supported the bill.

Actually, he’s on tape saying it goes to far. He back-tracked after the fact…

334 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:22:34pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Word of the Day !?!?!

//

yep. there were a few posts in a row there where i sorta wanted to give the author a second chance…like a do-over…

just helping others help themselves - i have a big heart like that;)

335 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:22:43pm

re: #320 cliffster

huh?

You said we should just go door to door looking for drugs.


“Let’s go door-to-door and search people’s houses for drugs.”


And I say

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

336 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:23:18pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

We gonna assume that everyone with ID is legit?

I don’t even understand the point of that question. I was asked, what would constitute reasonable suspicion. I said, if they were cruising around with no ID. Why would that imply that I think anyone with an ID is legit? All it means is that someone with no ID is suspicious.

337 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:23:19pm

re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist

As I recall, the trucker dude also has a social. Did it not match?

OK your right… oped the door every body come on in, were buying!

338 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:23:26pm

re: #293 webevintage

I think you need more then your divers license if there is a chance the police might mistake you for an illegal even if you were born here. So I guess a birth certificate?

For employment purposes a birth certificate can only be used in combination with other approved documents.

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:23:46pm

re: #268 cliffster

I’m not even arguing the wisdom of trying to remove people from the country. I’m saying that the bill is being painted as this horrible, nazi-like, anti Mexican, racist bill, and that is a lie being pushed by the left.

OK. I’ll just say it’s stupid, will be ineffective, and yes, it’s racist.

340 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:06pm

re: #325 austin_blue

Oooh! TMI!

I didn’t think you would have that reaction…

yikes.

no, regular dirty, as opposed to no-no-happy-dirty…

341 Racer X  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:15pm

K: You sold a reverberating carbonizer with mutate capacity to an unlicensed cephalopoid, Jeebs, you piece of shit…

Jeebs: He looked all right to me.

342 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:19pm

re: #335 jamesfirecat

You said we should just go door to door looking for drugs.

“Let’s go door-to-door and search people’s houses for drugs.”

And I say

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

He meant that sarcastically.

343 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:19pm

re: #315 jamesfirecat

Dude, seriously? Well I guess the only thing to do is go get that damn thing tattooed on my chest because I can barely remember my phone number…

Brookly just drops a weird line or two, don’t fall for it as an actual argument.

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:25pm

re: #272 brookly red

same as 41 other states…

Really? 41 states require you to have ID at all times? Not just while driving?

345 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:29pm

really is any of this any different than boarding an airplane?

346 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:29pm

re: #335 jamesfirecat

You said we should just go door to door looking for drugs.

“Let’s go door-to-door and search people’s houses for drugs.”

And I say

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Right. I said I think stopping people for no reason to check them for drunk driving is essentially the same thing as going door-to-door looking for drugs. Fuck both of those things.

347 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:43pm

re: #316 austin_blue

It’s not just the left dearie. Tom Tancredo says it goes too far.

Yes, that Tom Tancredo.

He recanted.

348 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:50pm

re: #309 sandbox

Because illegal immigrants aren’t coming here large numbers across the Canadian border. Duh…

But a much larger Islamic population than Mexico.

So where is the existential threat?

//well there’s a fine mind fuck for you.

349 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:24:58pm

re: #338 compound idaho

For employment purposes a birth certificate can only be used in combination with other approved documents.

Passport’s the only 100% document.

The reason a birth certificate isn’t is that it doesn’t prove that you are the person to whom the certificate was issued.

Like I said, my birth certificate is 2 names out of date and even if it had a picture, I don’t look 3 days old anymore.

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:25:10pm

re: #273 ~Fianna

SS# isn’t proof of citizenship.

Do they give people on worker visas SS#s? And are they flagged if the visa expires?

351 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:25:10pm

OMG FEATURED MUSIC ON LGF IS KALEIDOSCALP BY BUCKETHEAD YES

(Buckethead is just beyond ass kicking, he kicks entire planets of asses)

352 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:25:12pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Really? 41 states require you to have ID at all times? Not just while driving?

Mine does.

353 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:25:13pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

He meant that sarcastically.

Oh, well he should have sarc tagged it then….

Sorry I’ll admit when I’m in an argument I tend to take what my opponent is saying in the worst way possible.

354 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:25:27pm

re: #268 cliffster

I’m not even arguing the wisdom of trying to remove people from the country. I’m saying that the bill is being painted as this horrible, nazi-like, anti Mexican, racist bill, and that is a lie being pushed by the left.

It’s open for scads of abuse. After a police officer stops you for an infraction, he can, based on “reasonable suspicion” not “probable cause”, consider that you may be here illegally. That’s why that driver in Phoenix last week didn’t get off the hook even when he showed all the proper paperwork, including his dr license. He was detained until he produced his birth certificate, if I recall the story.

It’s putting the duty in the hands of the cops and it’s not their job to make such determinations.

355 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:25:35pm

re: #336 cliffster

I don’t even understand the point of that question. I was asked, what would constitute reasonable suspicion. I said, if they were cruising around with no ID. Why would that imply that I think anyone with an ID is legit? All it means is that someone with no ID is suspicious.


so if you are pulled over by a police officer and you cannot produce your license, you should be hauled off to jail until you can produce something to prove you were born in the US?

356 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:25:42pm

re: #341 Racer X

K: You sold a reverberating carbonizer with mutate capacity to an unlicensed cephalopoid, Jeebs, you piece of shit…

Jeebs: He looked all right to me.

Can we use the mutate capacity on Sarah Palin and turned here into something reasonable.

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:25:50pm

re: #277 brookly red

it’s a start.

How long is the cop supposed to keep working at this?

358 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:26:01pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Really? 41 states require you to have ID at all times? Not just while driving?

if in contact with the police, yes.

359 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:26:05pm

re: #345 brookly red

really is any of this any different than boarding an airplane?

You have the proper paperwork in your hand when boarding an airplane. Not necessarily when you’re going to the market.

360 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:26:13pm

re: #345 brookly red

really is any of this any different than boarding an airplane?

My driver’s license works fine for that.

361 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:26:16pm

re: #345 brookly red

really is any of this any different than boarding an airplane?

Hmm… I think you’ve got something going there. Lord knows no one is going to be carrying much in the way of fluids when they’re traveling around Arizona…

362 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:26:24pm

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

Can we use the mutate capacity on Sarah Palin and turned here into something reasonable.

Have you seen the latest Doonesbury strips…very funny..featuring the Sarah Palin action doll.

363 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:26:26pm

re: #264 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not worried about the cops ‘seeking out’ illegals. I’ve made it pretty damn clear what my worries are, and I’ll tell you, what I’ve gotten back have mostly been platitudes.

I think we’re just looking at pure racism here.

364 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:26:27pm

re: #345 brookly red

really is any of this any different than boarding an airplane?

So I should be prepared as if I’m boarding an airplane any time that I’m in Arizona? Even if I’m just walking down the street?

365 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:27:01pm

re: #355 SpaceJesus

so if you are pulled over by a police officer and you cannot produce your license, you should be hauled off to jail until you can produce something to prove you were born in the US?

Actually, I think you are turned over to the feds, and they do their thing.

366 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:27:01pm

re: #334 Aceofwhat?

yep. there were a few posts in a row there where i sorta wanted to give the author a second chance…like a do-over…

just helping others help themselves - i have a big heart like that;)

At the beginning of the season I get a dozen or two per 4” saucer-sized serving. It tapers off fast.

367 PT Barnum  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:27:05pm

re: #363 Floral Giraffe

I think we’re just looking at pure racism here.

But it’s only racism when they do it to white people!

/

368 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:27:17pm

re: #326 Tigger2005

No, he doesn’t. Charles posted that, but it wasn’t true and he shortly corrected the post. Tancredo confirmed that he fully supported the bill.

So the video on The Daily Show was bullshit? I don’t think so. The man’s words are his words.

Fail.

369 Racer X  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:27:45pm

Kay: All right, kid, here’s the deal. At any given time there are approximately 1500 aliens on the planet, most of them right here in Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough, they’re just trying to make a living.
Jay: Cab drivers?
Kay: Not as many as you’d think.

370 erraticsphinx  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:27:54pm

If you’re an illegal immigrant, you’d have to be an idiot to go the police for ANYTHING, rape, murder, domestic violence, anything, after this law passes.

Another lovely consequence.

371 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:27:54pm

re: #365 cliffster

Actually, I think you are turned over to the feds, and they do their thing.


so i am arrested for not having a license instead of given a citation

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:27:57pm

re: #298 ~Fianna

It’s not valid under the law as I understand it.

Do you carry a passport or US birth certificate around all the time?

I don’t.

Also, my birth certificate doesn’t match the name on my driver’s license.

I have my passport in my purse, because I left my ID somewhere, and needed to write a check…I’ve been meaning to take it out….

373 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:02pm

re: #348 austin_blue

But a much larger Islamic population than Mexico.

So where is the existential threat?

//well there’s a fine mind fuck for you.

i agree. we should TOTALLY invade canada.

Jadespring - we’re coming for ya!

374 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:04pm

re: #368 austin_blue

So the video on The Daily Show was bullshit? I don’t think so. The man’s words are his words.

Fail.

He had to slither back down to the base.

375 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:11pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

They eat bacon, drink beer and end every sentence with “eh?”

No, that means they’re from Minnesota!
(Apologies to Minnesotan Lizards!)

376 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:21pm

re: #299 avanti

Why would it, we are mostly white ?/

Give me a month in the Arizona sun, and I won’t look it any more. ;)

377 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:27pm

re: #369 Racer X

Kay: All right, kid, here’s the deal. At any given time there are approximately 1500 aliens on the planet, most of them right here in Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough, they’re just trying to make a living.
Jay: Cab drivers?
Kay: Not as many as you’d think.

updinged for the second men in black quote in the past week…

378 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:37pm

re: #364 ShaunP

So I should be prepared as if I’m boarding an airplane any time that I’m in Arizona? Even if I’m just walking down the street?

well it is law in NY, can’t say about AZ.

379 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:44pm

re: #369 Racer X

Kay: All right, kid, here’s the deal. At any given time there are approximately 1500 aliens on the planet, most of them right here in Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough, they’re just trying to make a living.
Jay: Cab drivers?
Kay: Not as many as you’d think.

Jay “Elvis is dead’
Kay “Nope, he just went home!”

380 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:52pm

re: #362 PT Barnum

Have you seen the latest Doonesbury strips…very funny..featuring the Sarah Palin action doll.

Coming soon: The 2012 Fantasy Sarah Palin Collection. Featuring Sarah Palin’s Marine One Wolf Shooting Playset.

/But she’s clueless enough to try something like that.

381 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:28:53pm

re: #371 SpaceJesus

so i am arrested for not having a license instead of given a citation

Arrested and possibly deported…

382 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:29:15pm

re: #351 WindUpBird

OMG FEATURED MUSIC ON LGF IS KALEIDOSCALP BY BUCKETHEAD YES

(Buckethead is just beyond ass kicking, he kicks entire planets of asses)

He’s Chuck Norris?

383 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:29:20pm

re: #307 engineer dog

under this scenario, the bill would be attempting to substantially reduce illegal immigration which has lead to an estimated 10 million undocumented workers by allowing police to also demand ID of all passengers on traffic stops

i don’t think think you’re gonna get the numbers you’re looking for just with that - what other new undocumented-catching activities would the bill lead to?

I think the cops are going to hate this whole thing big-time.

384 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:29:29pm

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

That does seem to be the question. Is a driver’s license sufficient evidence of legal residence?

Depends on the requirements to get a drivers liscence, IMHO.

385 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:29:37pm

re: #368 austin_blue

So the video on The Daily Show was bullshit? I don’t think so. The man’s words are his words.

Fail.

I was just repeating what I saw in Charles’ post. Tell Charles he failed.

386 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:29:48pm

re: #309 sandbox

Because illegal immigrants aren’t coming here large numbers across the Canadian border. Duh…

You think terrorists don’t know that? We’re wide open on our northern border!

/Only a little.

387 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:09pm

re: #369 Racer X

Kay: All right, kid, here’s the deal. At any given time there are approximately 1500 aliens on the planet, most of them right here in Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough, they’re just trying to make a living.
Jay: Cab drivers?
Kay: Not as many as you’d think.

J: Is it worth it?
K: Yeah. If you’re strong enough.

388 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:11pm

re: #368 austin_blue

So the video on The Daily Show was bullshit? I don’t think so. The man’s words are his words.

Fail.

He apparently twittered that the article was wrong and he fully supported the bill. Check the front page here.

389 avanti  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:13pm

re: #376 SanFranciscoZionist

Give me a month in the Arizona sun, and I won’t look it any more. ;)

If you go, don’t get caught eating a taco./

390 ShaunP  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:15pm

re: #378 brookly red

well it is law in NY, can’t say about AZ.

Difference between NY and AZ; cops need probable cause to see if I’m in compliance with the law…

391 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:18pm

re: #384 Floral Giraffe

Depends on the requirements to get a drivers liscence, IMHO.

well as I have said before Mohammad Atta had 4 of em…

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:19pm

re: #316 austin_blue

It’s not just the left dearie. Tom Tancredo says it goes too far.

Yes, that Tom Tancredo.

I thought he took that back.

393 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:51pm

re: #370 erraticsphinx

If you’re an illegal immigrant, you’d have to be an idiot to go the police for ANYTHING, rape, murder, domestic violence, anything, after this law passes.

Another lovely consequence.

That’s the kicker.

394 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:54pm

re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the cops are going to hate this whole thing big-time.

Quite Concur.

395 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:54pm

re: #317 erraticsphinx

I apologize if this has been mentioned already, but here is a total bastard trying to outdo himself within the GOP for having the most anti-immigrant hatred. Rank nativism.

Uh, deport them to WHERE? They are US Citizens.

This party won’t last long for the Republicans.

Moroni Deported to Sweden: Claims He’s Not From There

Name that movie!

396 Racer X  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:30:55pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

You think terrorists don’t know that? We’re wide open on our northern border!

/Only a little.

Great. Just great. You had to go and spill the beans. Now everyone knows.

397 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:31:11pm

re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the cops are going to hate this whole thing big-time.

When municipalities start getting their pants sued off by every nutjob that isn’t satisfied with the way things are going, they will severely regret this law passing.

398 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:31:38pm

re: #319 brookly red

how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? look if you don’t like the law you can find some extreme circumstance where someone’s right might be infringed upon, well that’s what judges are for.

I don’t think these are extreme circumstances. This is the law that’s been passed. I’m trying to figure out how in hell it’s going to help anything but the Governor’s numbers.

399 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:32:22pm

re: #349 ~Fianna

Passport’s the only 100% document.

The reason a birth certificate isn’t is that it doesn’t prove that you are the person to whom the certificate was issued.

Like I said, my birth certificate is 2 names out of date and even if it had a picture, I don’t look 3 days old anymore.

That is why employers cannot be expected to be the front line of immigration enforcement. In my view, it is a job for professionals.

400 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:32:23pm

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

Moroni Deported to Sweden: Claims He’s Not From There

Name that movie!

Johnny Dangerously?

401 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:32:24pm

re: #321 PT Barnum

Not all states use the Social Security number as the DL number. Iowa just switched to a different number letter combination. I don’t have it memorized. If I hadn’t had to use my SSN as an id in college I wouldn’t have it memorized either.

California doesn’t put the social on the ID cards. I just know mine because I wrote it out on eighteen different college applications.

402 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:32:37pm

re: #373 Aceofwhat?

i agree. we should TOTALLY invade Canada.

Jadespring - we’re coming for ya!

Funny story from years ago, no idea if it applies now. But some Canadians I know were here illegally. Their Canadian id # was the same # of digits as our SS#. They just changed where the dashes were. Voila!

403 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:32:48pm

re: #350 SanFranciscoZionist

Do they give people on worker visas SS#s? And are they flagged if the visa expires?

Yes. They’re eligible for employer-paid disability.

It’s also a number that is so frequently used as ID that non-work-eligible aliens can get them to (such as people on a student visa).

The non-work-eligible card looks different.

404 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:32:49pm

re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think these are extreme circumstances. This is the law that’s been passed. I’m trying to figure out how in hell it’s going to help anything but the Governor’s numbers.

I don’t think it’s been passed yet. It has 90 days I believe.

405 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:32:59pm

re: #385 Tigger2005

I was just repeating what I saw in Charles’ post. Tell Charles he failed.

Nope. You do it. And b’by-ee!

For cause. You are a shit stirrer. Get informed or get lost. This site is anti-idiotarian.

406 erraticsphinx  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:32:59pm

re: #400 tnguitarist

I’m bad at movies.

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:33:26pm

re: #305 jamesfirecat

Yeah, fuck the fourth amendment!

jamesfirecat appears to be (in real life) Tiger Woods.

408 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:33:43pm

re: #397 tnguitarist

When municipalities start getting their pants sued off by every nutjob that isn’t satisfied with the way things are going, they will severely regret this law passing.

Say hi to a thousand Orly Taitzez! All jabbering nonsense and waving their lawsuits and spilling their walnuts all over the AZ legal system

409 sandbox  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:33:52pm

re: #363 Floral Giraffe

What exact race are you and others talking about? I see Mexicans as either Native Mexicans (Indians) who appear to be a distinct race—so I can understand the racism allegation as it may apply to that group. But for others—a kind of generic Hispanics—that would be people whose ancestors came from Spain—so they would be considered white per US terminology.

410 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:34:02pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought he took that back.

How can he take it back? He said it!

411 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:34:02pm

re: #397 tnguitarist

When municipalities start getting their pants sued off by every nutjob that isn’t satisfied with the way things are going, they will severely regret this law passing.

heh. petard hoisting at 3 o’clock…

412 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:34:15pm

re: #327 Aceofwhat?

non-platitude question alert…

is it naïve of me to think that this is the crux of the problem…that the simplest form of ID needs to be buttressed to the point that it’s a valid proof of citizenship?

(well…the crux of the problem is our stupid broken immigration system…but i mean with regard to verifying citizenship)

You never give me platitudes, Ace.

I dunno about the ID. What could we do that would really, really fix that? Besides putting microchips in people’s naughty parts.

413 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:34:16pm

re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think these are extreme circumstances. This is the law that’s been passed. I’m trying to figure out how in hell it’s going to help anything but the Governor’s numbers.


well how about we wait and see how it works? you maybe right but maybe not so much.

414 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:34:21pm

re: #405 austin_blue

Nope. You do it. And b’by-ee!

For cause. You are a shit stirrer. Get informed or get lost. This site is anti-idiotarian.

Hey! Don’t be dissing Tigger!!

415 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:34:48pm

re: #405 austin_blue

Nope. You do it. And b’by-ee!

For cause. You are a shit stirrer. Get informed or get lost. This site is anti-idiotarian.

You’re quite the asshole. How long have you been on here?

416 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:34:57pm

re: #376 SanFranciscoZionist

Give me a month in the Arizona sun, and I won’t look it any more. ;)

I spent some time in Tuscon and noticed that pedestrians waiting for buses often didn’t line up along the curb, but at some diagonal to it. Took a few days to realize they were “hiding” in the shadows of the telephone poles.

417 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:35:09pm

re: #405 austin_blue

Nope. You do it. And b’by-ee!

For cause. You are a shit stirrer. Get informed or get lost. This site is anti-idiotarian.

Dudes chill, you’re both right sort of.

Tancredo said that it went to far.

Then he went and took it back.

Charles documented both events.

418 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:35:45pm

re: #370 erraticsphinx

If you’re an illegal immigrant, you’d have to be an idiot to go the police for ANYTHING, rape, murder, domestic violence, anything, after this law passes.

Another lovely consequence.

And medical care, too.

People are going to die because of this stupid law.

419 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:36:12pm

re: #415 Tigger2005

You’re quite the asshole. How long have you been on here?

Click the nic. Is that difficult?

Oh, wait….

420 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:36:16pm
Republicans who don’t support a Birther bill? Be still, my trembling heart.

Unheard of. A major breakthrough.

421 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:36:33pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

You think terrorists don’t know that? We’re wide open on our northern border!

/Only a little.

Don’t sarc at all—that’s where the Seattle wannabe bomber came from.

422 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:36:33pm

re: #417 jamesfirecat

Dudes chill, you’re both right sort of.

Tancredo said that it went to far.

Then he went and took it back.

Charles documented both events.

I wouldn’t have cared, but for his snarky little “Fail” thing. Ticked me off for some reason.

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:36:34pm

Manu is a bad ass MFer.

424 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:36:37pm

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

You never give me platitudes, Ace.

I dunno about the ID. What could we do that would really, really fix that? Besides putting microchips in people’s naughty parts.

Biometric readers, handheld retina scanners, tattooed barcodes on the forehead, unremovable GPS tracking anklets, global DNA database, number of the beast, that sort of thing

/Darkfuture

425 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:36:51pm

re: #415 Tigger2005

You’re quite the asshole. How long have you been on here?

hahahaha you haven’t met me yet

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:36:53pm

re: #331 Rightwingconspirator

Has anyone put that police report online? Love to see what all was up on that stop.

Me too, and I don’t know. It seems like something must have triggered them, and freaked the ICE guys too, but what could it have been if all their worries were allayed by a birth certificate?

427 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:37:59pm

re: #421 Decatur Deb

Don’t sarc at all—that’s where the Seattle wannabe bomber came from.

yeah but he was stopped the good old fashion way…

428 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:38:02pm

re: #419 austin_blue

Click the nic. Is that difficult?

Oh, wait…

Never mind. You’re nothing.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:38:14pm

re: #415 Tigger2005

Not a relevant question, Tiggs.

430 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:38:15pm

re: #399 compound idaho

That is why employers cannot be expected to be the front line of immigration enforcement. In my view, it is a job for professionals.

E-verify would make it pretty easy, no?

431 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:38:27pm

re: #397 tnguitarist

When municipalities start getting their pants sued off by every nutjob that isn’t satisfied with the way things are going, they will severely regret this law passing.

Who would abuse lawsuits for political purposes? Maybe we can call this “Orly’s Law”.

432 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:38:35pm

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Manu is a bad ass MFer.

Don’t cry for that Argentinian

433 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:38:50pm

re: #336 cliffster

I don’t even understand the point of that question. I was asked, what would constitute reasonable suspicion. I said, if they were cruising around with no ID. Why would that imply that I think anyone with an ID is legit? All it means is that someone with no ID is suspicious.

OK. So no ID is suspicious, and they have to bring you in? Fair enough, although at this point we run into a fine problem having to do with whether we enforce this evenhandedly, which will be a supernatural pain in the behind, and swamp the cops, or whether we only enforce this if we think we may actually have an illegal, in which case other problems—the profiling problems—come into play.

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:39:17pm

re: #337 brookly red

OK your right… oped the door every body come on in, were buying!

I’m glad you’re buying, but HUH?

435 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:39:20pm

re: #417 jamesfirecat

Dudes chill, you’re both right sort of.

Tancredo said that it went to far.

Then he went and took it back.

Charles documented both events.

I thought Tancrazy liked it from a nativist paranoid perspective, but acknowledged that the actual letter of the law (with the lawsuits against cops, constitutional questions, etc) was not a good idea..

But then again, I’m not exactly hip on the comings and goings of jibbering nativist talking heads with wild eyes

436 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:39:41pm

re: #353 jamesfirecat

Oh, well he should have sarc tagged it then…

Sorry I’ll admit when I’m in an argument I tend to take what my opponent is saying in the worst way possible.

I’ve noticed ;)

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:39:46pm

re: #338 compound idaho

For employment purposes a birth certificate can only be used in combination with other approved documents.

So, does everyone have to have the ID you’d use for tax forms and proof of right to work?

438 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:39:49pm

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

You never give me platitudes, Ace.

I dunno about the ID. What could we do that would really, really fix that? Besides putting microchips in people’s naughty parts.

G-d bless your short memory;)

So - tentatively - this is AZ’s fault for not effectively controlling their state ID? That seems like a true statement unless the police will accept a driver’s license as proof of citizenship.

A solid state ID card sure seems like a less racist, less damaging, less costly, and less idiotic place to start…but it’s almost too easy. what am i missing here?

439 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:39:55pm

re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, the whole thing is odd, red flags as they say. Too many missing pieces.

440 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:39:59pm

SFZ, you didn’t answer your movie question earlier. I’m bored and curious.

441 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:40:15pm

re: #417 jamesfirecat

Dudes chill, you’re both right sort of.

Tancredo said that it went to far.

Then he went and took it back.

Charles documented both events.

Tancredo, indeed, supports the bill. He also believes it is not about racial profiling or, says he, he wouldn’t support it.

huffingtonpost.com

See how he gets around that??

442 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:40:19pm

re: #428 Tigger2005

Never mind. You’re nothing.

hahahaha you sir have a lot to learn about internet

443 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:40:28pm

re: #345 brookly red

really is any of this any different than boarding an airplane?

A bit.

444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:40:36pm

re: #432 cliffster

Saw Tim Duncan at an airport in Greensboro… talked to a group of kids for twenty minutes waiting on his ride.

Cuban looks like he’s about to cry.

I really like Dirk Nowitzki tho.

445 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:40:43pm

re: #414 marjoriemoon

Hey! Don’t be dissing Tigger!!

If Tigger is being less than transparent he needs to be called out. I expect the same.

Tigger is trying to spin, and Tancredo’s words speak for him. You can’t unring a bell.

446 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:41:08pm

re: #430 ~Fianna

E-verify would make it pretty easy, no?

That only checks to see that the ss# agrees with the name. If it is stolen borrowed etc. not much good.

447 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:41:32pm

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m glad you’re buying, but HUH?

the would-be bomber was stopped the old fashion way…
a LEO had reasonable suspicion & checked him out.

448 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:41:43pm

re: #445 austin_blue

If Tigger is being less than transparent he needs to be called out. I expect the same.

Tigger is trying to spin, and Tancredo’s words speak for him. You can’t unring a bell.

Austin, Tancredo supports the bill. Tigger is right on.

449 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:42:11pm

re: #447 brookly red

the would-be bomber was stopped the old fashion way…
a LEO had reasonable suspicion & checked him out.

ooops wrong post! sorry.

450 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:42:22pm

re: #352 tnguitarist

Mine does.

Interesting. I don’t even know if CA does. Never thought about it.

I carry my state ID everywhere, except sometimes when out for a run, but still, had no idea I must. If I must.

451 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:42:28pm

fuck-ing-Are: #444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw Tim Duncan at an airport in Greensboro… talked to a group of kids for twenty minutes waiting on his ride.

Cuban looks like he’s about to cry.

I really like Dirk Nowitzki tho.

Cuban is a crazy man. Literally. Dirk is a class act, so is Tim. David Robinson before Tim.. both these teams have been the good guys for a long time.

452 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:42:36pm

re: #445 austin_blue

Did someone say ring a bell?

453 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:42:49pm

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Manu is a bad ass MFer.

yep. the team built to beat the Lakers couldn’t get past the Spurs…

454 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:43:09pm
455 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:43:13pm

re: #358 brookly red

if in contact with the police, yes.

Well, hell. I guess I need a jogging wallet or something.

456 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:43:18pm

re: #448 marjoriemoon

Austin, Tancredo supports the bill. Tigger is right on.

Yes, after he said it went too far.

Hmmm…

457 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:43:33pm

re: #446 compound idaho

That only checks to see that the ss# agrees with the name. If it is stolen borrowed etc. not much good.

Forged, I can see. At least one of the I9 docs needs to be a photo, so that would mean copying 2 different types of ID.

There’s no perfect system. People have been successfully proving they’re someone they aren’t for centuries.

458 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:43:43pm

re: #428 Tigger2005

re: #445 austin_blue

Could you both cool it?! I don’t need to see another thread ruined by a flame war.

459 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:43:52pm

re: #450 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting. I don’t even know if CA does. Never thought about it.

I carry my state ID everywhere, except sometimes when out for a run, but still, had no idea I must. If I must.

You should, while you’re out for a run, anyways. If something happens, whatever it is, it’d probably be helpful for people to know who you are.

460 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:44:02pm

All will be well and good in Tea Party land with the AZ law until the first 65 year old guy who looks a bit Asian or Hispanic (or any old conservative with an accent) gets pulled over for driving 30mph in a 65 mph zone and when the polite policeman decides that the old dude looks a bit hinky and asks for a bit more proof that old dude is an American citizen and old dude responds with a “fuck you”….well doggie the shit will hit the fan.

I wonder how long old dude will stay in ICE’s holding facility.

(Because many old folks do not have a BC and because citizens can refuse the officers request for proof…if I am right.)

461 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:44:12pm

Here is a truly fascintating bit of information from the University of Washington about the attitudes of teabaggers.

depts.washington.edu

Would you be shocked to find that the majority of tea partiers are racist jerks? Would you be shocked to find that no, it isn’t just a few signs?

Look at the link to see the results:

73% think that blacks would be as well off as whites if they “just tried harder”

56% think that immigrants take jobs from Americans

60% think that we have gone “too far” in pushing equal rights in this country.

Led by Prof. Christopher Parker, the 2010 Multi-state Survey of Race & Politics examines what Americans think about the issues of race, public policy, national politics, and President Obama, one year after the inaugurationof the first African American president.

The survey is drawn from a probability sample of 1006 cases, stratified by state. The Multi-State Survey of Race and Politics included seven states, six of which were battleground states in 2008. It includes Georgia, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, and Ohio as the battleground states. For its diversity and its status as an uncontested state, California was also included for comparative purposes. The study, conducted by the Center for Survey Research at the University of Washington, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent and was in the field February 8 - March 15, 2010.

462 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:44:23pm

re: #363 Floral Giraffe

I think we’re just looking at pure racism here.

I don’t think that’s all of it. I think we’re looking at a sense of frustration that hard problems aren’t prone to easy solutions. With a bit of racism. And a lot of political preening and posing.

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:44:46pm

re: #364 ShaunP

So I should be prepared as if I’m boarding an airplane any time that I’m in Arizona? Even if I’m just walking down the street?

If you do not have your boarding pass, they won’t let you into the grocery store.

464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:44:50pm

re: #459 cliffster

You should, while you’re out for a run, anyways. If something happens, whatever it is, it’d probably be helpful for people to know who you are.

And, clean underwear. Don’t forget clean underwear.

465 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:44:57pm

re: #457 ~Fianna

Forged, I can see. At least one of the I9 docs needs to be a photo, so that would mean copying 2 different types of ID.

There’s no perfect system. People have been successfully proving they’re someone they aren’t for centuries.

Well we could have all American children implanted with a special kind of microchip at birth which has a number on it and if you don’t have your chip with a registered number on it you’re not an American citizen….

466 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:44:59pm

re: #453 Aceofwhat?

yep. the team built to beat the Lakers couldn’t get past the Spurs…

Lakers still have to beat OKC.

467 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:45:06pm

re: #462 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think that’s all of it. I think we’re looking at a sense of frustration that hard problems aren’t prone to easy solutions. With a bit of racism. And a lot of political preening and posing.

And a lot of racism and blaming of others mixed with a false sense of entitlement.

468 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:45:08pm

re: #456 austin_blue

Yes, after he said it went too far.

Hmmm…

he was against it before he was for it :D

BUT YOU KNOW, HE’S TOM TANCREDO, HE’S SUCH A STAND UP GUY HE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME

469 brookly red  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:45:28pm

buenas noches todas

470 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:45:58pm

re: #365 cliffster

Actually, I think you are turned over to the feds, and they do their thing.

That’s the protocol, yes.

471 jaunte  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:46:05pm

re: #469 brookly red

Hasta mañana.

472 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:46:12pm

re: #397 tnguitarist

When municipalities start getting their pants sued off by every nutjob that isn’t satisfied with the way things are going, they will severely regret this law passing.

could be that the whole thing turns into a giant circus that ends up as a monkey on the GOP’s back, to mix a metaphor

473 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:46:23pm

re: #367 PT Barnum

But it’s only racism when they do it to white people!

/

No, no, it’s only the Mark of the Beast when they do it to PARANOID white people.

/

474 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:46:32pm

re: #465 jamesfirecat

Well we could have all American children implanted with a special kind of microchip at birth which has a number on it and if you don’t have your chip with a registered number on it you’re not an American citizen…

I would welcome the mark of the beast if it meant I never had to carry a purse again.

475 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:46:43pm

re: #462 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think that’s all of it. I think we’re looking at a sense of frustration that hard problems aren’t prone to easy solutions. With a bit of racism. And a lot of political preening and posing.

“With a bit of racism”

That line makes me think of a horrible version of a Marry Poppins song

“A spoon full of racism helps the legislation get passed….
Legislation get passed….”

476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:46:47pm

re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, clean underwear. Don’t forget clean underwear.

Actually, that always kind of confused me.

If I’m hit by a bus? I can guaran-damn-tee you my undies’ll be in technicolor.

477 ~Fianna  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:46:52pm

re: #469 brookly red

buenas noches todas

AAAHHHH!!! brookly is really an illegal immigrant. Burn the witch, burn the witch!!!!!
///obviously

And actually on that note, I’m going to push off for a bit, myself. The dog is giving me that needtopeeneedtopeeneedtoPEEEEEEEE look.

478 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:47:12pm

re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, clean underwear. Don’t forget clean underwear.

your OWN clean underwear, fundie/

good night, all-

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:47:12pm

re: #370 erraticsphinx

If you’re an illegal immigrant, you’d have to be an idiot to go the police for ANYTHING, rape, murder, domestic violence, anything, after this law passes.

Another lovely consequence.

That is my biggest fear. This is a present to the criminal element. Their natural prey has just been blocked from access to the cops.

480 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:47:13pm

re: #456 austin_blue

Yes, after he said it went too far.

Hmmm…

I think most of us are not really sure why you’re suddenly aggressive. You seem to be opposed to the bill. Tancredo’s support hardly makes it more reputable. He said it went too far, then went back on that statement. No need to act like that somehow reflects negatively on you.

481 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:47:22pm

re: #466 cliffster

Lakers still have to beat OKC.

(wouldn’tcha just love that?)

482 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:47:27pm

re: #456 austin_blue

Yes, after he said it went too far.

Hmmm…

That’s not really what he said. He said IF it was about racial profiling he wouldn’t support it. But he says it isn’t, so he does.

He’s full of a lot of BS, but we know that already.

483 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:47:33pm

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, that always kind of confused me.

If I’m hit by a bus? I can guaran-damn-tee you my undies’panties’ll be in technicolor.

ftfy, ya big swish you !~

484 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:47:52pm

I just sent my mother a gift selection of Israeli wine from the Zionist Mall.

Now is the time to order for Mother’s Day!

485 webevintage  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:48:02pm

re: #461 ludwigvanquixote


Would you be shocked to find that the majority of tea partiers are racist jerks? Would you be shocked to find that no, it isn’t just a few signs?

Look at the link to see the results:
73% think that blacks would be as well off as whites if they “just tried harder”
56% think that immigrants take jobs from Americans
60% think that we have gone “too far” in pushing equal rights in this country.

I’m shocked.
SHOCKED I say!

486 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:48:07pm

re: #474 webevintage

I would welcome the mark of the beast if it meant I never had to carry a purse again.

I’d also welcome the mark of the beast, by which I mean a cool tiger tattoo….

487 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:48:09pm

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

So, does everyone have to have the ID you’d use for tax forms and proof of right to work?

Oddly enough for verifying eligibility for employment no. I’m not sure what happens if I start sending in withholding if a false ID/SS# is used. Maybe someone else with get better SS benefits? :)

488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:48:22pm

re: #452 tnguitarist

That poor, poor bastard.

489 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:48:22pm

re: #381 jamesfirecat

Arrested and possibly deported…

Anyone remember the King of the Hill episode where Peggy accidentally kidnaps the kid from Mexico?

490 jaunte  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:48:49pm

re: #484 Alouette

That’s a great looking new avatar you’ve got there!

491 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:48:49pm

re: #458 Dark_Falcon

re: #445 austin_blue

Could you both cool it?! I don’t need to see another thread ruined by a flame war.

Hey, I’m OK. I just thought it was funny when Tancredo did that ultimate contortion/waffling act to get his Wingnut Street Cred back.

492 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:48:52pm

re: #484 Alouette

I just sent my mother a gift selection of Israeli wine from the Zionist Mall.

Now is the time to order for Mother’s Day!

There are actually some really amazing wines coming out of Israel these days. It took some time for the vines to mature, but once they did… fantastic.

493 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:49:10pm

Does anyone know more of this American Chronicle item I came across? It hit the mindless algorithm on news.google.

Human-looking ETs secretly in U.S.?

Much of what they have sounds rational, but nobody but a complete moron would post an article like this and retain any self respect.

Just curious.

494 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:49:51pm

re: #485 webevintage

I’m shocked.
SHOCKED I say!

I know, who would have thought that those fine upstanding patriots with their keenly developed notions of satire, were really mostly ignorant, racist douchebags?

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:50:55pm

Hey! Here’s something weird… I went to the library today and checked out a book on CD… Got home; my wife had bought a paperback.

SAME BOOK.

Seriously.

496 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:51:27pm

re: #495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! Here’s something weird… I went to the library today and checked out a book on CD… Got home; my wife had bought a paperback.

SAME BOOK.

Seriously.

What was the book?

497 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:51:45pm

re: #465 jamesfirecat

Well we could have all American children implanted with a special kind of microchip at birth which has a number on it and if you don’t have your chip with a registered number on it you’re not an American citizen…

Yeah, it’s quite the catch-22 isn’t it? Don’t come in screwing with my rights. But really drill people who are here illegally. Never mind the fact that you can’t really tell which is which…

498 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:52:35pm

re: #389 avanti

If you go, don’t get caught eating a taco./

I love tacos.

OK, random school story to break up the tense atmosphere:

My school has a Latino Club, and they do different school activities through the Spanish department of the school. “Latino” in our school means, almost exclusively, Mexican and Salvadoran.

The Spanish department teachers are all Peruvians.

This has occasional consequences. This past winter, as the Latino club set up their shrine to the Virgen de Guadalupe, I heard the head of the Spanish department ask “Does it have to be roses? Can it be other flowers?”

The Peruvians know jack about Mexican custom, and why should they? But they have to organize the kids to do all of this, because, gosh darn it, they are the Spanish department. Meanwhile, we have a bunch of Mexican-American teachers teaching math and stuff, but that’s not their department’s JOB.

Right now, they’re suffering through the Cinco de Mayo preparations. This would be easier if they were 100 percent sure what goes into guacamole—a dish they pause before pronouncing.

499 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:52:38pm

re: #487 compound idaho

Oddly enough for verifying eligibility for employment no. I’m not sure what happens if I start sending in withholding if a false ID/SS# is used. Maybe someone else with get better SS benefits? :)

The person with the false SS# cannot collect in the future. It’s a big contribution to the SS fund.

500 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:52:59pm

re: #391 brookly red

well as I have said before Mohammad Atta had 4 of em…

So, would they have nabbed him in Arizona?

501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:53:32pm

re: #496 tnguitarist

“Next”, Michael Crichton

502 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:53:39pm

re: #400 tnguitarist

Johnny Dangerously?

Upding!

503 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:53:44pm

re: #370 erraticsphinx

If you’re an illegal immigrant, you’d have to be an idiot to go the police for ANYTHING, rape, murder, domestic violence, anything, after this law passes.

Another lovely consequence.

Restated for emphasis. This will force people to chose between redressing crimes - or reporting them and just putting up with even more abuse.

This is a travesty made upon an unprotected set of people.

Again, thugs always pick on easy targets. It is not as if those people have real advocates. It is as if the GOP will happily whip up populist rage at easy targets. Yeah real tough there cowboys.

504 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:54:10pm

re: #493 Naso Tang


Human-looking ETs secretly in U.S.?

Well, if they’re ever in AZ they better take with them some good looking birth certificates.

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:54:47pm

re: #409 sandbox

What exact race are you and others talking about? I see Mexicans as either Native Mexicans (Indians) who appear to be a distinct race—so I can understand the racism allegation as it may apply to that group. But for others—a kind of generic Hispanics—that would be people whose ancestors came from Spain—so they would be considered white per US terminology.

Chicano.

506 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:55:06pm

re: #454 MandyManners

It’s a manifestation of the refusal by some deranged nuts to accept the fact that Obama won the election. They just can’t swallow it.

507 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:55:16pm

re: #502 SanFranciscoZionist

Upding!

Fargin’ bastiges.

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:55:30pm

re: #413 brookly red

well how about we wait and see how it works? you maybe right but maybe not so much.

I don’t think the courts will let it stand that long, but sure. We’ll meet back for Cinco de Mayo 2011, and see how it went.

509 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:55:52pm

re: #371 SpaceJesus

so i am arrested for not having a license instead of given a citation

Exactly, pulled over for driving a truck, produce a valid CDL, don’t even get cited for an infraction but get cuffed and arrested anyway for not having a birth certificate. Who travels with their birth certificate?

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

That does seem to be the question. Is a driver’s license sufficient evidence of legal residence?

For me the real question is what constitutes “criminal suspect.” An infraction isn’t a crime, I don’t mind the police inquiring about anything odd or out of the ordinary that makes them suspect a real crime. Once they have someone in custody for suspicion of a real crime I don’t mind satisfying any questions of legal presence before release. But what happened here isn’t easy to classify, as it hasn’t been made clear what “crime” the guy was ever suspected of. The term criminal suspect starts to become meaningless if it is used, as it appears at first look to have been, to harass, cuff and arrest a licensed and legal trucker for driving while brown.

510 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:55:58pm

re: #502 SanFranciscoZionist

Upding!

Fark you, you farking iceholes!

511 compound idaho  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:56:57pm

re: #499 Stanley Sea

The person with the false SS# cannot collect in the future. It’s a big contribution to the SS fund.

That is true!

After leaving my first summer job, the payroll clerk left me on the books for a couple of extra weeks and somehow pocketed the money. I never thought to carefully check my W2. I guess I paid too much tax that year, but at least I get credit for the extra FICA.

512 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:56:59pm

re: #421 Decatur Deb

Don’t sarc at all—that’s where the Seattle wannabe bomber came from.

And yet, little agitation to fence off Canada, even though terrorists coming across is frequently listed as a reason to fence the Mexico border.

Is there a difference, besides the obvious one?

513 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:57:05pm

re: #497 cliffster

Yeah, it’s quite the catch-22 isn’t it? Don’t come in screwing with my rights. But really drill people who are here illegally. Never mind the fact that you can’t really tell which is which…

I went to Disney today for the first time in years. They have a little fingerprint reader thingy that verifies you are the person that your pass says you are. Simple computer technology available to anyone including, say, cops in a car.

Of course making that work would mean coordination and it would mean that the damned gummint would know who you were too.//

514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:58:03pm

re: #510 tnguitarist

And to think… he started Mormonism.
/

515 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:58:10pm

re: #512 SanFranciscoZionist

I think we have a winner here. That’s what I was getting at upthread.

516 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:58:50pm

re: #440 tnguitarist

SFZ, you didn’t answer your movie question earlier. I’m bored and curious.

It is Johnny Dangerously.

517 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:59:03pm

re: #513 Naso Tang

I went to Disney today for the first time in years. They have a little fingerprint reader thingy that verifies you are the person that your pass says you are. Simple computer technology available to anyone including, say, cops in a car.

Of course making that work would mean coordination and it would mean that the damned gummint would know who you were too.//

Maybe Mickey, Donald and Mini should hang out at the Arizona border.

518 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:59:07pm

via eschaton:

wilkommen in arizona

519 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:59:26pm

re: #503 LudwigVanQuixote

Restated for emphasis. This will force people to chose between redressing crimes - or reporting them and just putting up with even more abuse.

This is a travesty made upon an unprotected set of people.

Again, thugs always pick on easy targets. It is not as if those people have real advocates. It is as if the GOP will happily whip up populist rage at easy targets. Yeah real tough there cowboys.

Not to mention the travails of getting to the US border:

cleveland.com

520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:00:27pm

In the near future? I am that guy who was awake and posting just a few minutes ago.

G’night knuckleheads.

521 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:00:28pm

re: #518 engineer dog

via eschaton:

wilkommen in arizona

ADL calls “Godwin” on Arizona opponents.

522 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:00:43pm

Fail….

So, I’m watching The Rachel Maddow Show right now… (Video Update)

This stuff just doesn’t look good and the price will be paid in future elections.

523 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:00:49pm

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

Chicano.

Pachucos. In Zoot Suits.

;-)

524 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:00:57pm

re: #465 jamesfirecat

Well we could have all American children implanted with a special kind of microchip at birth which has a number on it and if you don’t have your chip with a registered number on it you’re not an American citizen…

Aaaaah!! Mark of the Beast!!!

525 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:01:03pm

re: #512 SanFranciscoZionist

And yet, little agitation to fence off Canada, even though terrorists coming across is frequently listed as a reason to fence the Mexico border.

Is there a difference, besides the obvious one?

People who want fences and troop deployments just don’t realize the length of the borders. If every soldier in our active-duty divisions, cooks and all, were deployed for just one shift the Mexican border would stretch them out to 100 ft or more.l

526 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:01:11pm

re: #512 SanFranciscoZionist

Well sure Canada is a successful healthy country with little emigration pressure.

Mexico is a near failed state rife with poverty, kidnapping, violence, corruption and drug cartel wars. So the spill over is a bit more threatening, with all due respect to terrorists we can see where drugs get through anything else can.

527 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:01:29pm

Here’s a chuckle to break things up. I know, I know….it’s HuffPo, but it’s still funny as hell-if it is indeed real.

Should Walter really be getting prepH and a plug? I really think he should take a break.
shopping list

528 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:01:32pm

re: #469 brookly red

buenas noches todas

Dorme bien.

529 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:03:34pm

re: #491 austin_blue

Hey, I’m OK. I just thought it was funny when Tancredo did that ultimate contortion/waffling act to get his Wingnut Street Cred back.

Cool. It’s just how I try to put the lid on flame wars, that’s all.

530 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:04:19pm

re: #521 Alouette

ADL calls “Godwin” on Arizona opponents.

Agreed. That photoshop is a Godwin’s Law violation.

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:04:27pm

re: #487 compound idaho

Oddly enough for verifying eligibility for employment no. I’m not sure what happens if I start sending in withholding if a false ID/SS# is used. Maybe someone else with get better SS benefits? :)

I think that’s actually what does happen.

532 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:05:45pm

re: #512 SanFranciscoZionist

And yet, little agitation to fence off Canada, even though terrorists coming across is frequently listed as a reason to fence the Mexico border.

Is there a difference, besides the obvious one?

See my #348.

533 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:05:50pm

re: #521 Alouette

ADL calls “Godwin” on Arizona opponents.

will the ADL now call on jonah goldberg and glen beck to cease and desist in explicitly and repeatedly conflating progressivism with nazism?

534 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:07:15pm

re: #519 austin_blue

Not to mention the travails of getting to the US border:

[Link: www.cleveland.com…]

Yeah that is repugnant - but just remember Americans, you get cheap fruit and day labor as a result of letting employers exploit these people! The rape and misery are part of the value added.

Earlier today I wrote about Noah’s Flood and the message to take away being that it is possible for humans to corrupt the Earth literally. I was asked - but what about the sins of humans - surely you don’t mean that carbon is a sin like that?

I do not. I tried to explain this earlier.

When I put this in the context of global warming, my intent was to point out that the sin is the exploitation of humans in third world countries and that those sweat shops that we fund dump huge amounts of carbon as part of the value added. When we wage wars or install brutal dictators and theocracies in order to continue burning fossil fuels, part of the value added to that sin, and the suffering we cause is a larger carbon footprint.

But hey, you get to drive your SUV to Wallmart right?

What made the story of Noah so interesting to me was that in it we have sin have a physical manifestation. This is not a concept unique to the Noah story in the bible. What makes the connection today though is that Americans and Westerners rarely calculate the true cost, the true human cost of our consumerism. However, the way that we do it, has a physical manifestation - that will ironically bring floods.

535 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:07:34pm

re: #533 engineer dog

will the ADL now call on jonah goldberg and glen beck to cease and desist in explicitly and repeatedly conflating progressivism with nazism?

I think they have. The ADL has been on Beck’s tail for some time.

Besides, it doesn’t have to be a Nazi reference. Poland circa WWI will do, or even Russia.

536 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:08:13pm

re: #523 austin_blue

Hello! I guess you are home now, safe and sound. Are you going to sue anyone?

537 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:10:59pm

re: #533 engineer dog

will the ADL now call on jonah goldberg and glen beck to cease and desist in explicitly and repeatedly conflating progressivism with nazism?

Well, to be fair, Goldberg was comparing progressivism with Fascism in general and not with Hitler in specific. That’s not to defend Goldberg’s argument, which is incorrect in my considered opinion.

538 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:11:09pm

re: #518 engineer dog

via eschaton:

wilkommen in arizona

Seems to be a trend. Put this in the spinoff links, got a mixed response, enjoy … or don’t:

You can tell by their shoes, by the gel in their hair
By the lilt in their walk, by the chill in their stare

You can tell by their fear when they’re walking to school
By the make of their cars, by the food in their stools

You can tell by their weight or their retina scans
By the DNA samples, by their wireless plans

You can tell by the neighbors if they haven’t told you
By the food that they eat, by the jobs that they do

You can tell by their clubs, by the people they meet
By the people who nod as they walk down the street

You can tell by our State, from our leadership hell
By our codification of Better Ask, Better Tell

You can tell by their sadness, by their anger when they frown
By the fact that they’re (whisper it), poorer and brown

You can tell by just anything, no matter how discrete
And no one can spot you there, under your sheet

-Clinton Fein

539 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:12:54pm

Woman bites off man’s ear after ‘fat’ slur

A Nebraska man is regretting calling a woman “fat” after she flew into a rage and bit off part of his ear.

The Associated Press reports that a 24-year-old man is missing a chunk of his right ear after the row at a party.

The injured man told police he had been involved in an argument at the birthday bash in Lincoln when he told Anna Godfrey she was fat.

The 21-year-old partygoer was so enraged at the jibe, she tackled him and allegedly bit his ear. The ear chunk wasn’t found.

Mmm, Mmm, Good…

540 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:12:55pm

re: #521 Alouette

ADL calls “Godwin” on Arizona opponents.

Spot on. And for that matter, those who demonize the Tea Partiers by calling them Nazis are similarly walking on very thin ice.

541 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:13:19pm

re: #536 prairiefire

Hello! I guess you are home now, safe and sound. Are you going to sue anyone?

Nah, I’m waiting to see if my airline decides if they were under EU rules when I got stuck. If they were, we’ll submit our lodging costs and an estimate of meal costs, but it’s all bullshit. I’m copacetic with the fact that we lost $1,500 because of an “Act o’ God”, although I prefer to refer to it as “a volcano”.

542 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:13:49pm

re: #521 Alouette

ADL calls “Godwin” on Arizona opponents.

Quoting your link…

According to ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman: “No matter how odious, bigoted, biased and unconstitutional Arizona’s new law may be, let’s be clear that there is no comparison between the situation facing immigrants, legal or illegal, in Arizona and what happened in the Holocaust. Let’s remember that the Nazi identity cards were part and parcel of a plan to force Jews into ghettos and for their ultimate deportation to extermination camps.”

To which I respond, that is true as far as it goes. Now take the words never again more seriously and look at the mechanisms for how these things start.

If you compare the speechification of the supporters of this bill to the points laid out clearly by Hitler in his 1927 Nuremburg adress, you will see that Hitler played on the exact same memes as the politicians in Az and teh thugs who support this have the same attitudes and fears as the early Nazis.

This is not something that any Jew should ever try to sweep under the rug. We are not yet in a nazi state. This is true. However, very real Nazis were behind this bill and helped to pen it. They were not in a nazi in some pejorative sense, but actual bona fide, love Hitler neo-nazis.

As Jews we owe it to our history and the respect of our dead to stand firmly against this evil before it can manifest to the level that you just quoted. What serves no purpose is to guard the suffering of our murdered relatives as some sort of “we suffered more trump card” in the face of concern over a very real and very rising evil.

543 What, me worry?  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:14:17pm

re: #539 freetoken

Woman bites off man’s ear after ‘fat’ slur

Mmm, Mmm, Good…

Egads! Don’t tell Walter!

544 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:14:45pm

re: #522 Killgore Trout

Fail…

So, I’m watching The Rachel Maddow Show right now… (Video Update)

This stuff just doesn’t look good and the price will be paid in future elections.

My god, am I going to become a mindless partisan Dem to keep these assholes out of power? I’m not seeing many options at this point. Ugh.

545 dog philosopher  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:14:56pm

re: #537 Dark_Falcon

well, i don’t mean to violate the atmosphere of civilized exchange of opinions between left and right that is found here, so i apologize if i offended anyone

546 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:15:24pm

re: #537 Dark_Falcon

Well, to be fair, Goldberg was comparing progressivism with Fascism in general and not with Hitler in specific. That’s not to defend Goldberg’s argument, which is incorrect in my considered opinion.

Goldberg is an utter loon and a disgrace.

547 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:15:40pm

re: #541 austin_blue

Perhaps sometime you could post an MP3 of your wife playing the harp. The instrument has such a lovely sound. I understand the harp is very hard to play.

548 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:16:38pm

Just made a pass through the garden. Today was the first day without without torrential rain. Visible slug count: 0

549 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:17:28pm

re: #539 freetoken

Woman bites off man’s ear after ‘fat’ slur

Mmm, Mmm, Good…

Well that’s not gonna help her loose weight….

550 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:17:39pm

re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote

Nunca mas.

551 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:18:06pm

‘Nite, all.

552 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:18:11pm

re: #548 Killgore Trout

Just made a pass through the garden. Today was the first day without without torrential rain. Visible slug count: 0

Not to mention:
Werewolf count: 0
Vampire count: 0

553 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:18:24pm

God damn. That oil spill in the Gulf looks BAD.

554 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:18:32pm

re: #544 Killgore Trout

My god, am I going to become a mindless partisan Dem to keep these assholes out of power? I’m not seeing many options at this point. Ugh.

We are not mindless, just emotional./

Kris kobach was on NPR this afternoon defending the Arizona immigration law. He was decidedly less smug and condescending than when he was on local right wing radio host Chris Stigall’s show.

555 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:18:53pm

re: #544 Killgore Trout

My god, am I going to become a mindless partisan Dem to keep these assholes out of power? I’m not seeing many options at this point. Ugh.

You gets yer chances and you makes yer choices.

Which smells worse? What, at a fundamental level, will you choose to vote *against*? The lesser evil or the greater evil? A lot of Conservatives are facing this choice. The radicals or the sane? Welcome to my world in Texas.

556 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:18:54pm

re: #550 Decatur Deb

Nunca mas.

Different meaning for that group but also valid.

557 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:20:17pm

re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote

Nope, not even close.

558 Racer X  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:20:30pm

Heineken - Men With Talent

Youtube Video

559 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:20:36pm

re: #544 Killgore Trout

My god, am I going to become a mindless partisan Dem to keep these assholes out of power? I’m not seeing many options at this point. Ugh.

excellent post.

560 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:21:02pm

re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote

To which I respond, that is true as far as it goes. Now take the words never again more seriously and look at the mechanisms for how these things start.

If you compare the speechification of the supporters of this bill to the points laid out clearly by Hitler in his 1927 Nuremburg adress, you will see that Hitler played on the exact same memes as the politicians in Az and teh thugs who support this have the same attitudes and fears as the early Nazis.

This is not something that any Jew should ever try to sweep under the rug. We are not yet in a nazi state. This is true. However, very real Nazis were behind this bill and helped to pen it. They were not in a nazi in some pejorative sense, but actual bona fide, love Hitler neo-nazis.

As Jews we owe it to our history and the respect of our dead to stand firmly against this evil before it can manifest to the level that you just quoted. What serves no purpose is to guard the suffering of our murdered relatives as some sort of “we suffered more trump card” in the face of concern over a very real and very rising evil.

I’m not sure I agree. A big part of this bill seems to be an attempt (albeit wrong-headed and way overboard) to force Washington’s hand. Scapegoating does not seem a primary objective.

561 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:21:07pm

re: #549 jamesfirecat

Well that’s not gonna help her loose weight…

Cartilage is pretty low-fat, no?

562 Professor Chaos  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:21:20pm

re: #544 Killgore Trout

My god, am I going to become a mindless partisan Dem to keep these assholes out of power? I’m not seeing many options at this point. Ugh.

I for one will continue to vote R in primaries to try to get some sane people on the ballot in November, but I don’t see that making much difference in the current political climate.

563 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:21:28pm

re: #544 Killgore Trout

My god, am I going to become a mindless partisan Dem to keep these assholes out of power? I’m not seeing many options at this point. Ugh.

Not you.
Just can’t see it happening, you being a mindless anything.

564 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:23:55pm

Time for the nightly Shameless Cookbook Promotion, then I’m out for the evening. Nine have been sold thus far:

Volume 2 of the LGF Readers cookbook is ready! Click my nic to get to the blog, and then click the orange LULU button to the right. Volume 1 is still available at the blue LULU button.

The price of the book is set just as the price was for Volume 1, that is, the sale of the book will result in a “profit” of $5 per book sold. This will be distributed according to the final distribution vote - the vote closes on April 30th.

There are lots of great recipes, plus special bonus material!

Killgore has his very own special gardening section.

And be sure to check out the ROFLMAO section, which includes a Very Long Geeky Engineer Pun Thread; the Definitive Cognito Banning Timeline; How Honcos Came To Be; We Have Our Very Own Personal SpaceJesus; Viagra Creates the 4-hour Thread; and many more! These feature comments by a cast of - well - a lot - including FBV, Lazardo, Walter L Newton, Spare O’Lake, LVQ, Slumbering Behemoth, Hoosier Hoops and many others!

A NOTE ABOUT THE PROOFING: There was a lot of help with that, but remember that everyone who helped is an amateur volunteer!

Also, in the ROFLMAO section - any errors were left intact in that section, in which people’s comments appear exactly as written. Hehehe.

And as a bonus, there are more than a dozen illustrations inside Cookbook 2, which is helpfully priced below the cost of Cookbook 1.

565 Querent  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:23:58pm

“Be still my trembling heart”

hopefully means relief that perhaps not ALL Republicans have been assimilated by the Borg?

566 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:24:02pm

re: #554 prairiefire

We are not mindless, just emotional./

Kris kobach was on NPR this afternoon defending the Arizona immigration law. He was decidedly less smug and condescending than when he was on local right wing radio host Chris Stigall’s show.

Right after the Presidential election I attended a meeting of the Jackson County (MO) Republicans where Chris Stigall was the featured speaker. I later found out that he was a personal friend of my niece’s husband. He seemed like a very reasonable, thoughtful guy. I appreciated that he didn’t seem to be a bombastic, egotistical Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh type personality. I was disappointed when I joined his Facebook page and found that he just spouts the (Tea) party line on everything.

567 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:24:35pm

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Not you.
Just can’t see it happening, you being a mindless anything.

Don’t underestimate mah dopiness!

568 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:25:41pm

re: #557 Spare O’Lake

Nope, not even close.

Spare, really? I mean really?

The man who is in charge of FAIR, the group behind this abortion wants “to keep America white” and members of his organization support the whole gamut of Nazi racial theories including eugenics. In the context of Hitler’s desire to keep Germany German, how is this different?

In the context of pointing populist rage at an easy minority target, how is this different?

In the context of promoting a mythical America that never was - complete with a violent return to the “glory days” that we hear over and over again from the teabaggers and other scum who support this, how is this different?

You are a Jew. I get that it is really painful to see members of a party you identify with pick up the nazi memes. However they are doing it, and don’t kid yourself for a moment that it is ok because many of them seem pro-Israel and are currently pointed at someone else.

Never Again means Never Again. Jewish blood is not more red than anyone else’s.

569 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:25:56pm

re: #565 Querent

“Be still my trembling heart”

hopefully means relief that perhaps not ALL Republicans have been assimilated by the Borg?

Hopefully. I’d hate to have to send Captain Picard in to free the GOP.

570 Tigger2005  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:26:54pm

This Gulf of Mexico oil spill is going to HURT. I actually feel sick to my stomach thinking about the human, animal, and environmental damage it’s going to cause. Louisiana, a beautiful state with great people which I just visited, is likely in for devastation that will dwarf Katrina, and will continue to impact the state for a long time to come.

571 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:27:09pm

re: #564 reine.de.tout

I have a wicked gardening tip here but if you choose to post it I’d suggest adding it below the cookbook so it doesn’t get bumped down the blog.

572 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:27:44pm

re: #566 Tigger2005

He was adamant on the air that a Tea Party event in DC had over a million people. Even Fox News was saying it was more like 60,000 attending. He is always nasty and shrill about McCaskill and Cleaver.
He is in the same mind fog as so many conservatives/republicans. I do not understand it.

573 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:28:00pm

re: #560 Dark_Falcon

I’m not sure I agree. A big part of this bill seems to be an attempt (albeit wrong-headed and way overboard) to force Washington’s hand. Scapegoating does not seem a primary objective.

If they want to force Washinton’s Hand there are so many better ways to do it than this.

574 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:28:24pm

re: #547 prairiefire

Perhaps sometime you could post an MP3 of your wife playing the harp. The instrument has such a lovely sound. I understand the harp is very hard to play.

I would, but she is rather prominent on the web and it would compromise my status on the board. If Charles ever decides to require that Lizards make their identities clear, I will be happy to do so.

She is a shit hot harper, in Classical, Latin, and Celtic formats.

575 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:28:29pm

re: #565 Querent

“Be still my trembling heart”

hopefully means relief that perhaps not ALL Republicans have been assimilated by the Borg?

Its not the Borg they’ve been assimilated by, it’s the Beck.

576 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:29:29pm

re: #570 Tigger2005

This Gulf of Mexico oil spill is going to HURT. I actually feel sick to my stomach thinking about the human, animal, and environmental damage it’s going to cause. Louisiana, a beautiful state with great people which I just visited, is likely in for devastation that will dwarf Katrina, and will continue to impact the state for a long time to come.

It won’t cost human lives like Katrina did, but it sure ain’t looking good. This will be an environmental disaster on an epic scale. There are some very fragile wetlands in that area. It’s extremely sad.

577 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:30:12pm

26.2

578 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:31:26pm
re: #534 LudwigVanQuixote

What makes the connection today though is that Americans and Westerners rarely calculate the true cost, the true human cost of our consumerism.

Actually it’s our thirst for ultra-cheap goods at any cost which is the obscenity. Environmental protection and decent labour standards are not necessarily inconsistent with enlightened consumerism.

579 Racer X  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:31:29pm

re: #570 Tigger2005

This Gulf of Mexico oil spill is going to HURT. I actually feel sick to my stomach thinking about the human, animal, and environmental damage it’s going to cause. Louisiana, a beautiful state with great people which I just visited, is likely in for devastation that will dwarf Katrina, and will continue to impact the state for a long time to come.

Drill here, drill now.

er, maybe not.

580 Professor Chaos  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:31:46pm

re: #560 Dark_Falcon

I’m not sure I agree. A big part of this bill seems to be an attempt (albeit wrong-headed and way overboard) to force Washington’s hand. Scapegoating does not seem a primary objective.

There is no excuse for codifying the harassment of a group of people in order to make a political point.

581 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:32:04pm

re: #573 jamesfirecat

If they want to force Washinton’s Hand there are so many better ways to do it than this.

Agreed. The bill is wrongheaded and seriously over the line. The GOP will pay the price with Latinos for this. That’s a small bit of why I would not support Crist over Rubio. Rubio, for all his faults, understands why this bill is electoral poison. I’m hoping he can get the rest of the party to understand this. Every time the Republican base gets into a frenzy over immigration, there are fewer Republicans when the dust settles. They need to be made to accept reality.

582 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:32:38pm

re: #548 Killgore Trout

Just made a pass through the garden. Today was the first day without without torrential rain. Visible slug count: 0

They’re hiding. Only the smart ones are left. But, they’re learning…
;)

583 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:33:13pm

re: #580 Girth

There is no excuse for codifying the harassment of a group of people in order to make a political point.

No, there isn’t.

584 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:33:13pm

re: #578 Spare O’Lake

Actually it’s our thirst for ultra-cheap goods at any cost which is the obscenity. Environmental protection and decent labour standards are not necessarily inconsistent with enlightened consumerism.

Well said. This we agree on absolutely.

585 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:33:46pm

re: #580 Girth

There is no excuse for codifying the harassment of a group of people in order to make a political point.

Excellent post.

586 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:35:02pm

re: #581 Dark_Falcon

That is a pretty tall order, my dear. How is the job market? I am thinking of going back to work in the Fall. We need to be saving more for college and I would like a nice black leather coat.

587 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:35:15pm

Joseph McVey questioned Obama’s citizenship on Facebook before N.C. airport incident, newspaper reports

A newspaper reports that a man arrested at a North Carolina airport who authorities say was armed and wanted to see President Barack Obama had questioned Obama’s citizenship on Facebook.

Postings purportedly made last year by 23-year-old Joseph Sean McVey also refer to Obama by his middle name, “Hussein.”

Heh, imagine that, a birther doing suspicious activity around the President.

588 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:35:39pm

re: #564 reine.de.tout

Time for the nightly Shameless Cookbook Promotion, then I’m out for the evening. Nine have been sold thus far:

Volume 2 of the LGF Readers cookbook is ready! Click my nic to get to the blog, and then click the orange LULU button to the right. Volume 1 is still available at the blue LULU button.

The price of the book is set just as the price was for Volume 1, that is, the sale of the book will result in a “profit” of $5 per book sold. This will be distributed according to the final distribution vote - the vote closes on April 30th.

Reine:

Glad to catch you. Am I correct in understanding that your Roi’s company is owned 60% by a downhole tool company and 40% by The French Bastards?

If so, please extend my deepest sympathies to him on his losing two valued colleagues during The Thing. I’m assuming they were on the floor when the kick got out of hand. Have mercy on their souls.

Ex-Wellhead Geologist, aka A_B.

589 cliffster  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:36:13pm

re: #579 Racer X

Drill here, drill now.

er, maybe not.

Drill there. Drill some other time.

590 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:36:42pm

re: #568 LudwigVanQuixote

Spare, really? I mean really?

The man who is in charge of FAIR, the group behind this abortion wants “to keep America white” and members of his organization support the whole gamut of Nazi racial theories including eugenics. In the context of Hitler’s desire to keep Germany German, how is this different?

In the context of pointing populist rage at an easy minority target, how is this different?

In the context of promoting a mythical America that never was - complete with a violent return to the “glory days” that we hear over and over again from the teabaggers and other scum who support this, how is this different?

You are a Jew. I get that it is really painful to see members of a party you identify with pick up the nazi memes. However they are doing it, and don’t kid yourself for a moment that it is ok because many of them seem pro-Israel and are currently pointed at someone else.

Never Again means Never Again. Jewish blood is not more red than anyone else’s.

Really. Foxman is right and you are wrong. Really, so just cool it with the Nazi labelling and you can still call them out quite effectively on their racism.

591 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:39:06pm

re: #590 Spare O’Lake

Really. Foxman is right and you are wrong. Really, so just cool it with the Nazi labelling and you can still call them out quite effectively on their racism.

NO. It is the same message pointed at the same sorts of folks in the same pattern. It is even penned by actual nazis. Stop living in denial.

592 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:39:11pm

re: #540 Spare O’Lake

Spot on. And for that matter, those who demonize the Tea Partiers by calling them Nazis are similarly walking on very thin ice.

Luckily it never happens the other way around! Oh wait..,

rexcurry.net

593 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:39:44pm

re: #587 freetoken

Joseph McVey questioned Obama’s citizenship on Facebook before N.C. airport incident, newspaper reports

Heh, imagine that, a birther doing suspicious activity around the President.

Yeah and some guy named McVey doesn’t really have a leg to stand on when it comes to picking on people because of unfortunate names…

594 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:39:48pm

re: #586 prairiefire

That is a pretty tall order, my dear. How is the job market? I am thinking of going back to work in the Fall. We need to be saving more for college and I would like a nice black leather coat.

The job market is OK right now. I’ve gotten some offers but none yet with a base salary, which I really want. Still, things go well in that I have lots of interviews. Though one the two set up for tomorrow is going to have to be rescheduled. Which one remains to be seen.

595 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:40:24pm

Arizona Lawmakers OK several changes to the new immigration law.

This was just posted, so I’m just reading through it.

abc15.com

596 swamprat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:42:41pm

re: #544 Killgore Trout

My god, am I going to become a mindless partisan Dem to keep these assholes out of power? I’m not seeing many options at this point. Ugh.

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Let me introduce a term;

Dead Rat Politics.
Said term indicating a condition where one would vote for a Dead Rat, rather than see a particular person or party gain office or re-election.

It means that a person, or party, is so repulsive that the opponents qualifications, or lack thereof, are not a consideration.

This is becoming a standard situation.

OT/ tomorrow I buy kohlrabi seeds for real.

597 Professor Chaos  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:43:24pm

I’m trying to think of a law that would require police to ask WASPs for ID. Let’s see how quickly that gets shot down. I think it’s the only way some of these assholes will learn.

598 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:43:56pm

re: #592 bratwurst

Luckily it never happens the other way around! Oh wait..,

[Link: rexcurry.net…]

It certainly can and does cut both ways.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.

599 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:44:10pm

Night, lizards.

600 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:44:56pm

re: #595 Stanley Sea

Why should a State find it necessary to pass a law that is already on the books with the Fed???
Oh! Wait! The Fed hasn’t enforced it!
What other laws are on the books no one gives a shit about?
….More than I have time to research!

601 swamprat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:45:00pm

re: #599 prairiefire

Sleep well.

602 mich-again  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:45:28pm

We are drilling for oil offshore because it was more important to protect the environment on land. Proving again the law of unintended consequences.

603 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:46:30pm

re: #597 Girth

Wasps? I just spray them with “Wasp” spray!
…Oh..

604 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:46:35pm

re: #596 swamprat

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Let me introduce a term;

Dead Rat Politics.
Said term indicating a condition where one would vote for a Dead Rat, rather than see a particular person or party gain office or re-election.

It means that a person, or party, is so repulsive that the opponents qualifications, or lack thereof, are not a consideration.

This is becoming a standard situation.

OT/ tomorrow I buy kohlrabi seeds for real.

You mean kinda like the way Hamas got elected in Gaza? That sure worked out swell.

605 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:47:16pm

re: #588 austin_blue

Austin -
methinks the company is now wholly owned by the French Bastards.
One was on the floor, the other just above it.
And thanks, I will communicate your condolences.

606 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:47:58pm

re: #604 Spare O’Lake

You mean kinda like the way Hamas got elected in Gaza? That sure worked out swell.

He’s not saying its a good thing, he’s just saying that it is an event which takes place.

607 freetoken  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:48:10pm

AL Gubernatorial Candidate Tim James Calls His English-Only Ad ‘Just Common Sense’

[James] defined his “brand” as “common sense,” and declared it a “roadway safety issue” rather than an immigration one. He also expressed support for all kinds of immigrants– from Ireland, Russia, Germany, etc. Williams defined his ad as “pandering” to xenophobia and possibly detrimental to the Alabama economy. James responded, in his colorful way, that Williams’ take was “the biggest argument I’ve never heard more nonsense in my life.”

Between the Arizonans and their laws, my own Congressman (Hunter) with his statement about wanting to deport children born in this country, and this guy James and his “roadway safety” bullcrap… I’d say the GOP has had a rousingly good xenophobic week, eh?

608 Professor Chaos  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:48:27pm

re: #603 reloadingisnotahobby

Wasps? I just spray them with “Wasp” spray!
…Oh..

Yeah, asking them for ID generally just pisses them off.

609 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:50:19pm

re: #605 reine.de.tout

Austin -
methinks the company is now wholly owned by the French Bastards.
One was on the floor, the other just above it.
And thanks, I will communicate your condolences.

Ach. I thought so. I am so sorry. We were a tight knit bunch as subcontractors when I was working in the Gulf. The loss of one is a loss to all.

610 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:50:21pm

re: #607 freetoken

AL Gubernatorial Candidate Tim James Calls His English-Only Ad ‘Just Common Sense’

Between the Arizonans and their laws, my own Congressman (Hunter) with his statement about wanting to deport children born in this country, and this guy James and his “roadway safety” bullcrap… I’d say the GOP has had a rousingly good xenophobic week, eh?

Also if the son of a bitch was actually crazy enough to do this they’d no longer be in compliance with federal regulations, the good news for anyone in any of the other 49 states is that we can use the money we won’t be sending to Alabama to pay down the national debt!

611 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:52:29pm

re: #609 austin_blue

Ach. I thought so. I am so sorry. We were a tight knit bunch as subcontractors when I was working in the Gulf. The loss of one is a loss to all.

Yes, that is true.

612 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:58:27pm

re: #606 jamesfirecat

He’s not saying its a good thing, he’s just saying that it is an event which takes place.

I felt obliged to point out what catastrophic consequences can flow from that kind of scorched earth thinking.

613 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 9:00:36pm

re: #373 Aceofwhat?

i agree. we should TOTALLY invade canada.

Jadespring - we’re coming for ya!

Huh?

Oh…okay.

Well just give me a bit of warning eh, so I can make sure have clean undies on and clean the house.

614 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 9:01:21pm

re: #612 Spare O’Lake

I felt obliged to point out what catastrophic consequences can flow from that kind of scorched earth thinking.

Luckily there’s an easy two part solution for the GOP

1: Turn down the hate so that it becomes permissible to vote for a democrat.

2: Run credible candidates so democrats/independents might want to vote for them…

615 Querent  Thu, Apr 29, 2010 9:16:03pm

re: #539 freetoken

paging mike tyson…

616 ClaudeMonet  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 12:06:13am

re: #96 Stanley Sea

“What you talkin bout Willis”

My trivia…Josh Beckett, pitcher for I’m not sure this year, does his wind up and turns his head so fast to the batter I always think he’s saying that in his head.

Beckett pitches for the Red Sox. So far this year, not all that well, either.

617 ClaudeMonet  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 12:51:57am

re: #173 engineer dog

The Feds must get control of the border

nothing is going to happen until many very profitable businesses that depend on exploiting illegal aliens somehow become unable to bribe legislators

when this subject was last agitated under bush, some northern tier state tried to enforce the existing laws by raiding businesses that employed lots of illegal workers

that lasted less than a week before it was discreetly quashed

I think you’re thinking of Butler County, Ohio, the county immediately north of Cincinnati. Sheriff Richard Jones has been very vocal on the illegal immigrant issue, and unfortunately very active. He and State Rep. Courtney Combs (also Repub, also from Butler County) are trying to meet with AZ lawmakers to see if they can get Ohio’s legislature to pass a similar bill, despite Ohio’s lack of proximity to a border and relatively minor problem with illegals. Governor Strickland (a Democrat) says he’ll veto any such legislation. Now Sheriff Jones says he’ll push for a statewide initiative to bypass the governor.

BTW, Butler County is also the most populous county in the district “represented” in Congress by John Boehner. I lived up there for 14 years and never once voted for Boehner, even though I tend to vote Republican in Congressional, Senatorial, and Presidential races. Make that tended.


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