Rush Limbaugh Questions Oil Spill Timing

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I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh regularly, so I’m always a bit taken aback when I do. He’s been getting increasingly more extreme lately, repeatedly using the phrase “The Regime” in a weird, obsessive mantra-like way.

In this clip from yesterday’s radio show, Limbaugh says the “jury’s still out” on whether it’s a coincidence that the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded right before Earth Day.

It’s The Regime, you see. They’re capable of anything. Booga booga.

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1 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:05:42pm

He is a big oil supply himself.

2 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:05:42pm

Relevance and sanity both gone? That's my take.

3 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:06:19pm

Yes that was unkind. Sorry.

4 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:06:22pm

Oh Good Lord...Rush has lost it...
Well maybe he never had it to start with...

5 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:06:57pm

That's right, Rush. BHO blew up an oil rig just to fuck with your head.

6 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:07:07pm

I don't want to Godwin (or whatever its USSR version is) myself, but wasn't Stalin really fond of blaming anything that went wrong anywhere in anyway on traitors who were still loyal to Trotsky?

/What I'm just asking questions!

7 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:07:20pm

re: #3 Ojoe

Yes that was unkind. Sorry.

I laughed.

8 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:07:22pm

booga booga.... Charles, you crack me up LOL I just have to say, as angry as I get from these things, I love your posts.

9 shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:07:53pm

He's justifiably afraid that Alex Jones is muscling in on his audience.

10 Locker  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:09:03pm

I'm repeating myself but it's the same subject so hey...

I'm going to use a wonderful South Park quote to demonstrate how I feel about Rush. Please note I've replaced "John Edward" with Rush Limbaugh...

Rush Limbaugh: You better not call me a liar, a fake, or a douche, or else I'll sue you for slander!
Stan: I am saying this to you, Rush Limbaugh. You are a liar. You are a fake. And you are the biggest douche ever.
Rush Limbaugh: Everything I tell people is positive and gives them hope! How does that make me a douche?
Stan: Because the big questions in life are tough; Why are we here? Where are we from? Where are we going? But as long as people believe in asshole douchey liars like you, we're never going to find the answers to those questions. You aren't just lying, you're slowing down the progress of all mankind, YOU DOUCHE!

11 cliffster  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:10:47pm

so Rush and Charlie Sheen are good buddies now?

12 darthstar  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:11:02pm

re: #3 Ojoe

Yes that was unkind. Sorry.

But true.

13 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:12:42pm

What is there to say about Rush Limbaugh except that I have yet to see any prominent GOP figure repudiate him without having to walk it back afterwards?

The GOP is now the political arm of people like Rush.

14 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:13:48pm

regime

rush has been out-crazied by beck, and he's trying to make up for it

15 Randy W. Weeks  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:14:03pm

Dude's gonna have a stroke when Mr. Obama is re-elected.

16 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:14:35pm

Has terrorism been ruled out? If not, it might explain the SWAT teams.

17 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:14:36pm

Someone asked in the other thread if there was anything Rush could say that would cause his followers to repudiate him. The answer, of course, is no, unless it directly violates the central tenets of their belief system. Much like Glenn Beck, what he says is irrelevant - all that matters is that it in some way reinforces the central tenet that all liberals and liberalism is evil and monstrous. As long as you don't directly contradict that, it doesn't matter what they say.

Not even being caught in a direct untruth would matter a whit. They can make all the provably false statements they want. It doesn't matter. Their followers will never know. To find out that such a statement was false, they would have to see something outside of the Conservative media world they live in. And even if they did, they would dismiss it as false, and the product of the conspiracy against them.

There are literally no limits to the ability of people to convince themselves of anything if it is in accordance with their beliefs. Glenn could say tonight that the Republicans had more Senators than Democrats, and a plurality of his audience would look at two numbers and say that the smaller one was larger.

18 darthstar  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:15:42pm

Rush Limbaugh...no conspiracy too big or insane to feed to his ditto-heads.

19 shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:15:43pm

They're really running with this sabotage meme. Collected on the net today:

From what I've read, random explosions just don't happen and those in the field suspect sabotage, perhaps the eco-terrorist type, as no new drilling is the result. This rig is about 60 miles out, beyond the 12-mile territorial boundary but within the 200 mile economic zone. It was anchored to the seabed about a mile down, where I believe the original break was located, making it too deep for a diver to plant explosives. That's assuming the info is accurate, which is doubtful when talking oil companies and the gov't. However, a sub or even a mini-sub aboard a larger ship could do it, I'ma guessing. The extensive economic and environmental damage for years to come could make this way beyond the Valdez, giving many the motive to do such a thing. Didn't Chavez just purchase some Russian subs?

A normal sub, as opposed to a deep diving submersible, can't get anywhere close to a mile deep without being crushed like a beer can. It could attack the rig with torpedoes or missiles but to say the least that could not be done clandestinely. A submersible would require a mother ship very close by, certainly within sight of the rig. You might think someone would notice and ask what they were doing.

20 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:15:58pm

Regime? REGIME?

I'm sick.

21 TampaKnight  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:17:21pm

Does anyone know what did happen? Are there reports?

22 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:17:37pm

re: #15 LoneStarSpur

Dude's gonna have a stroke when Mr. Obama is re-elected.

He's going to open a bottle of champagne. He's a destructive person, not a constructive person. He's far better off with an enemy in the White House he can blame everything on.

23 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:18:04pm

re: #22 Obdicut

He's going to open a bottle of champagne. He's a destructive person, not a constructive person. He's far better off with an enemy in the White House he can blame everything on.

Yeah if memory serves he got tired of "carrying water" for George W. Bush after a few years....

24 Locker  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:18:30pm

re: #21 TampaKnight

Does anyone know what did happen? Are there reports?

Nah we don't need any reports. Rush has his bat phone linked to the psychic friends network and can tell us all we'll ever need to know on any and all subjects.

25 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:19:02pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

Regime? REGIME?

I'm sick.

Regime ------
(Hint - 6 letters, rhymes with "mange")

26 shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:19:19pm

What's truly scary about this is that Rush is not a fool, his foolish pronouncements notwithstanding. He has a very good track record for reading the trends and getting out in front of them. He believes this kind of tin-foilery is the future of the right.

27 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:19:45pm

The title of today's summary email from Rush: Obama's Katrina.

Eight Days: Heckuva Job, Barry
It's Obama's Katrina -- and he hasn't even flown over the spill.

He also links to American Thinker and the Washington times.

28 darthstar  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:20:07pm

re: #19 shiplord kirel

They're really running with this sabotage meme. Collected on the net today:

A normal sub, as opposed to a deep diving submersible, can't get anywhere close to a mile deep without being crushed like a beer can. It could attack the rig with torpedoes or missiles but to say the least that could not be done clandestinely. A submersible would require a mother ship very close by, certainly within sight of the rig. You might think someone would notice and ask what they were doing.

Let's not forget the fire started above the waterline...and claiming eco-terrorists did it impugns the men who worked on that platform, eleven of whom are now dead.

Oh, and check out the specs for the Deepwater Horizon. Freakin' impressive.

29 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:20:49pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

The title of today's summary email from Rush: Obama's Katrina.

He also links to American Thinker and the Washington times.

Of course this completely ignores the fact that the spill was the result of an American industrial company rather than an act of nature.

The people who pump this stuff should have to first prove that they've got the resources to clean up the mess if something goes wrong.

30 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:21:10pm

Limbaugh is....Limbaugh. Like blue cheese, he gets more stinky with time.

31 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:21:13pm

The jury is still out... of their minds apparently.

32 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:21:26pm

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Regime ---
(Hint - 6 letters, rhymes with "mange")

No, it rhymes with bryl-cream.

33 darthstar  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:21:41pm

re: #22 Obdicut

He's going to open a bottle of champagne. He's a destructive person, not a constructive person. He's far better off with an enemy in the White House he can blame everything on.

Well, after spending the last eight years blaming Clinton, Rush should be covered for new material until he retires...regardless of who becomes president in 2016.

34 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:22:24pm

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Regime ---
(Hint - 6 letters, rhymes with "mange")

For five hundred dollars...

Vanna is there an H?

35 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:22:48pm

re: #29 jamesfirecat

Of course this completely ignores the fact that the spill was the result of an American industrial company rather than an act of nature.

The people who pump this stuff should have to first prove that they've got the resources to clean up the mess if something goes wrong.

Especially when it's a mile under water.

36 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:23:08pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

btw, SS: I don't know when you got that ava, or if you've always had it, but I like it >> (Yes, just noticedit :P)

37 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:23:37pm

re: #36 windsagio

Kookaburra!

38 TampaKnight  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:23:43pm

I think BP should be sent the bill for the cleanup and expenses of the military being involved.

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:23:47pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

The title of today's summary email from Rush: Obama's Katrina.

He also links to American Thinker and the Washington times.

That's the meme suddenly being pushed by all the wingers. Obama's Katrina.

Ironically, these are the same people who vehemently denied Bush even had a "Katrina." Listen to them and you'll get the impression nothing much went wrong then.

So in a way, they're calling their own outrageous outrage of the day a meaningless nontroversy. Excellent.

40 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:24:39pm

re: #39 Charles

That's the meme suddenly being pushed by all the wingers. Obama's Katrina.

Ironically, these are the same people who vehemently denied Bush even had a "Katrina." Listen to them and you'll get the impression nothing much went wrong then.

So in a way, they're calling their own outrageous outrage of the day a meaningless nontroversy. Excellent.

Its a Mobius Strip of blind impotent rage!

41 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:25:49pm

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Regime ---
(Hint - 6 letters, rhymes with "mange")

huh? you have an accent?

//

42 astronmr20  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:26:22pm

I don't like Rush.

I think the notion that this oil rig explosion was "convenient" is sick.

However, I've listened to some clips, and the regime thing is quite intentional-- it's a jab at the people who constantly said "Bush Regime" over the past 8 years. Including, even, some members of the mainstream press. Point being (I think), the Bush Administration was called a "regime" for a lot less.

43 cliffster  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:26:29pm

re: #39 Charles

both memes are incredibly stupid

44 darthstar  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:27:00pm

Aw, fuck...looks like a second oil rig might be in trouble:

The "mobile inland drilling unit" overturned in the Charenton navigational channel south of U.S. Highway 90 at Morgan City.

From the Coast Guard:

The MIDU has a 20,000-gallon diesel fuel capacity, and while there is no current estimate on how much fuel was on board at the time of the incident, on-scene Coast Guard pollution investigators have determined that the rig is not leaking fuel at this time. As a precaution, 500 feet of containment boom has been deployed around the rig, with an additional 500 feet arriving to provide a secondary string within the canal.
45 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:28:37pm

Limbaugh and partisan politics aside, this disaster is yet another reason we need a comprehensive nuclear power program in place.

We'd have a lot less need for drilling rigs in the Gulf.

Also, as long as we are drilling, we ought to have pre positioned disaster response crews strategically placed throughout the region. No matter how expensive, it would be a lot cheaper than paying for a cleanup that will take years.

46 HC4BO  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:28:50pm

Can I say that he is officially entering the realms of the Bushies enacted 9/11 category ... !?!

47 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:29:03pm

Has an inside terror attack by a radicalized jihadist employee been ruled out?
Has a terror attack of any kind been ruled out?

48 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:29:48pm

re: #42 astronmr20

I don't like Rush.

I think the notion that this oil rig explosion was "convenient" is sick.

However, I've listened to some clips, and the regime thing is quite intentional-- it's a jab at the people who constantly said "Bush Regime" over the past 8 years. Including, even, some members of the mainstream press. Point being (I think), the Bush Administration was called a "regime" for a lot less.

So close to me agreeing with you, but then you f*** up your dismount.

In my opinion what do you mean by " a lot less" exactly? Bush started the policy of wiretapping phones without a warrant, started a pre-emptive war over WMDs that never existed, thus drawing our troops away from the task of rebuilding Afghanistan into a working nation, and started sending people to detention centers without trials where "enhanced interrigation techniques" were practiced on them.

In my view Obama has done a lot less to earn the "regime" title than Bush has, not the other way around.

49 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:30:11pm

This point can not be over stated.When I talk about Nazism, I am not talking about American Nazis goose-stepping down our streets. We are not there yet. I am talking about the trends and memes that spread through Germany in the Twenties and thirties that led to Nazism.

Let me point out a few of them.

They griped a lot about a mythic past that never existed as an example of a shining birthright that was stolen from the average German.

They used a message that a corrupt and weak government was loyal to foreigners before Germany.

They argued that the real Germans couldn't make it in Germany anymore because of those traitors within. Those traitors were at first, immigrants, homosexuals, intellectuals, union members and of course Jews. In America, the message is not pointed at Jews yet.

They saw communists everywhere. They spread fear that communists secretly controlled the government and would take over and destroy all German liberties.

They flirted with notions of pay back and violence and the meme that the oppressed, natural master would take back his "rightful place."

They pitched all manner of outrageous conspiracy theories. Those communists and leftists and intellectuals and elites were violent and out to get them.

It all played upon the racial fears of Germans who felt they had no control over their lives. But after working that fear into a lather, they represented a "voice of resistance." The individual German could now be seduced into thinking he too would be a Hero of his people and save his culture.

It was backed by well funded industrialists who spread a disproportionate voice to the movement through the media.

This message is pure evil. Rush is an entertainer without conscience. He knows that this sort of rabid mix of fear, carefully stoked grievance, paranoia and thinly veiled racism and anti-intellectualism sells like hotcakes. He has great financial backing to spread his hateful messages. There are too few people who understand the history well enough to see where this leads.

50 TampaKnight  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:31:02pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

So close to me agreeing with you, but then you f*** up your dismount.

In my opinion what do you mean by " a lot less" exactly? Bush started the policy of wiretapping phones without a warrant, started a pre-emptive war over WMDs that never existed, thus drawing our troops away from the task of rebuilding Afghanistan into a working nation, and started sending people to detention centers without trials where "enhanced interrigation techniques" were practiced on them.

In my view Obama has done a lot less to earn the "regime" title than Bush has, not the other way around.

The fact that you're even debating who should be called "regime" is pathetic.

51 darthstar  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:31:03pm

re: #47 Spare O'Lake

Has an inside terror attack by a radicalized jihadist employee been ruled out?
Has a terror attack of any kind been ruled out?


Please don't peddle paranoia. It really is unbecoming.

52 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:31:04pm

It almost feels to me like all this 'Intentional/Obama's Katrina' stuff is conscious or subconscous deflection from what could be another corporate mafeasance/neglect story.

(Or to put it more simply they're jumping on Obama because they cna't stand the idea that it may be the companies fault, or at least don't want that to be the dialogue)

53 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:31:12pm

re: #41 Aceofwhat?

huh? you have an accent?

//

"Mange" is a canine affliction.
Deu yeu have a reumme?

54 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:31:52pm

re: #47 Spare O'Lake

Has an inside terror attack by a radicalized jihadist employee been ruled out?
Has a terror attack of any kind been ruled out?

Do you have any reason at all to suspect that? Or are you simply repeating what Rush said like a sheep?

55 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:32:10pm

re: #53 Spare O'Lake

"Mange" is a canine affliction.
Deu yeu have a reumme?

Zat ish not mah dog...

56 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:32:39pm

re: #47 Spare O'Lake

"Its all about the War on Radical Islam!"

That'd be a pretty sad target for a planned terrorist attack.

57 TampaKnight  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:32:47pm

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Do you have any reason at all to suspect that? Or are you simply repeating what Rush said like a sheep?

It was a question, and considering no cause has been determined yet, not an unfair one.

Why don't you pipe down?

58 darthstar  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:33:06pm

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Do you have any reason at all to suspect that? Or are you simply repeating what Rush said like a sheep?

The calvary is riding to Rush's rescue.

59 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:33:07pm

Cliff, however much you hate it, that is the history.

And I am talking to you level headed and telling you the facts.

60 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:33:32pm

re: #57 TampaKnight

It was a question asked repeatedly. Strikes of monomania.

61 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:34:00pm

re: #52 windsagio

It almost feels to me like all this 'Intentional/Obama's Katrina' stuff is conscious or subconscous deflection from what could be another corporate mafeasance/neglect story.

(Or to put it more simply they're jumping on Obama because they cna't stand the idea that it may be the companies fault, or at least don't want that to be the dialogue)

If an asteroid hits Peoria next year, its name will be "Obama 2011a"..

62 Macha  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:34:34pm

re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote

You called it correct about Rush. He is an entertainer, nothing more. His ethics vanished back in the sands of time somewhere. To be vulgar, he would drink his own piss and call it Pepsi if it got him an extra ego stroke. Unfortunately his sycophants believe every word out of his mouth.

63 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:34:38pm

re: #51 darthstar

Please don't peddle paranoia. It really is unbecoming.

Is it verboten to ask or to speculate on the cause?

64 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:34:42pm

re: #53 Spare O'Lake

"Mange" is a canine affliction.
Deu yeu have a reumme?


Does Lady Lytton have a swimming pewl?

65 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:34:46pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Haha point taken; I'm still a little woozy after last night, so its not worth overthinking >>

66 astronmr20  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:34:56pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

So close to me agreeing with you, but then you f*** up your dismount.

In my opinion what do you mean by " a lot less" exactly? Bush started the policy of wiretapping phones without a warrant, started a pre-emptive war over WMDs that never existed, thus drawing our troops away from the task of rebuilding Afghanistan into a working nation, and started sending people to detention centers without trials where "enhanced interrigation techniques" were practiced on them.

In my view Obama has done a lot less to earn the "regime" title than Bush has, not the other way around.


Weather or not it was right, it was all done within the law. I know- especially for the Patriot Act, I think it's no excuse. I was referring to the "governing against the will of the people" happening now. Indeed, Obama is governing completely within the law, too, and our system is working as it was intended.

The Obama administration has NOT earned the moniker of "regime." I just think Rush is pointing out the ridiculousness of the Bush admin earning the same moniker, even in the mainstream press. It had become standard language, and even seeped into commercial broadcast media.

67 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:35:12pm

re: #47 Spare O'Lake

Has an inside terror attack by a radicalized jihadist employee been ruled out?
Has a terror attack of any kind been ruled out?

Wouldn't we have heard of it by now?

68 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:35:31pm

re: #57 TampaKnight

It was a question, and considering no cause has been determined yet, not an unfair one.

Why don't you pipe down?

Because there s a certain evil meme taking up steam in my nation that is exactly the same as the memes of the Nazis. It is evil. It is spreading. It is starting to bear fruit. It will not go away if we are silent about it.

That approach failed historically in Germany too.

I really don't give a damn if it makes you uncomfortable to hear the truth.

If you want me to pipe down, prove me wrong. Otherwise, learn the facts, love America and stand up to this spreading evil.

69 cliffster  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:35:42pm

re: #59 LudwigVanQuixote

Cliff, however much you hate it, that is the history.

And I am talking to you level headed and telling you the facts.

You put yourself in the exact same place as the people screeching about Marxist Obama when you go off on these Nazi rants. That sort of thing is ridiculous, no matter which side you're coming from.

70 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:35:53pm

re: #47 Spare O'Lake

Has an inside terror attack by a radicalized jihadist employee been ruled out?
Has a terror attack of any kind been ruled out?


Clipped this from a news article earlier:

But Elmer Danenberger, who retired in January as the head of offshore regulatory affairs for the U.S. Minerals Management Service, said the investigation into one of the biggest oil spills in U.S. history will center around what happened just before the blast, as workers finished pumping cement between the well pipe and a hole bored into the ocean floor. The process is intended to prevent oil and natural gas from escaping, he said.

"That's what [investigators] said the operation was just prior to the blast," Danenberger said. "Now, how much prior we don't know. Investigators will be all over those issues."

Danenberger said it appears "to be the consensus" among drilling experts that a poor cementing job probably led to the blowout -- when oil and natural gas exit a well with extreme force.

"They're going to be focusing on the root cause, how the oil and gas were able to enter the [well] that should've been secured," he said. "That will be the primary focus, how the influx got in to the [well]."

Cementing operations could benefit from additional inspection standards
, Danenberger said, adding that cementing incidents remain too common.

According to a 2007 study by three U.S. Minerals Management Service officials, cementing was a factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf during a 14-year period, making it the single largest factor, the Wall Street Journal reported. Equipment failure and pipe failure were the next leading factors.

"There has been a history of gas influxes during cementing operations, so that is an area of concern, but nothing is confirmed," Danenberger said. "But perhaps additional standards are necessary for cementing operations."

Meanwhile, critics of British Petroleum say that cost-cutting measures by the London-based oil giant helped to contribute to the rig explosion.

Tom Bower, author of the 2009 book "The Squeeze, Oil, Money and Greed in the 21st Century," told Fox News that British Petroleum's economizing led to a lack of engineers, an overdependence on outsourcing and a lack of supervisors to keep an eye on subcontractors.

Transocean Ltd., which operated the rig on lease from BP, has said Halliburton Co. had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. BP has said while it assumes responsibility for the incident, the company is still waiting for an investigation to show Transocean's role in the matter.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

and here:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

71 astronmr20  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:36:04pm

re: #47 Spare O'Lake

Has an inside terror attack by a radicalized jihadist employee been ruled out?
Has a terror attack of any kind been ruled out?

Everyone seems to agree that they hit a pocket of gas. Not really something you can easily "fake."

72 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:36:09pm

re: #62 Macha

You called it correct about Rush. He is an entertainer, nothing more. His ethics vanished back in the sands of time somewhere. To be vulgar, he would drink his own piss and call it Pepsi if it got him an extra ego stroke. Unfortunately his sycophants believe every word out of his mouth.

Don't you have to be funny to be an entertainer?

73 TampaKnight  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:36:22pm

re: #68 LudwigVanQuixote

Because there s a certain evil meme taking up steam in my nation that is exactly the same as the memes of the Nazis. It is evil. It is spreading. It is starting to bear fruit. It will not go away if we are silent about it.

That approach failed historically in Germany too.

I really don't give a damn if it makes you uncomfortable to hear the truth.

If you want me to pipe down, prove me wrong. Otherwise, learn the facts, love America and stand up to this spreading evil.

Your seat on that horse appears to be quite high.

74 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:36:45pm

re: #67 MandyManners

Also (to repeat myself), from a terrorism standpoint, its an awful target.

75 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:37:20pm

Let me see if I get this.

The evil Obama regime arranged for its minions, possibly the maritime branch of the ACORN militia, to sabotage this rig so they could pass cap and trade and add emphasis to their celebrations of Lenin's birthday (cover name: "Earth day"). They could have used an insider, recruiting someone with a Muslim name since such an operative could bypass the usual security checks in the name of political correctness.

When do I get my Fox News contract?

76 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:38:43pm

re: #72 jamesfirecat

Don't you have to be funny to be an entertainer?

Not if you're a mime. Rush would make a wonderful mime.

77 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:38:59pm

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Do you have any reason at all to suspect that? Or are you simply repeating what Rush said like a sheep?

I did not know that Rush said that it was a jihadist attack - did he really?
You, by the way are acting the sheep, my friend.

78 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:39:04pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

They used SSN-23, just to make it more piquant.

79 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:39:11pm

It's all part of the regime's plan.

Better buy gold, folks.

80 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:39:20pm

re: #69 cliffster

You put yourself in the exact same place as the people screeching about Marxist Obama when you go off on these Nazi rants. That sort of thing is ridiculous, no matter which side you're coming from.

re: #73 TampaKnight

Your seat on that horse appears to be quite high.

So do either of you have a factual rebuttal to the many points of history I have brought, or are you two simply going to call the facts names and refuse to look at them? Or are you going to even drop that pretense and skip to calling me names?

81 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:39:40pm

So Rush is joining the troothers now? It was a government plot to kill 11 people and poison hundreds of miles of shoreline just to get people to be against offshore drilling?

I suppose they sabotaged the "blow-out" preventer too so that thousands of barrels a day would continue to flow and pollute the Gulf of Mexico?

Damn evil government spooks, they sure are busy being expertly covert and devious opponents, always thinking ahead 10 steps like chess masters, well, when they aren't being incompetent morons that is...

82 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:39:49pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Not if you're a mime. Rush would make a wonderful mime.

He doubtlessly would have a large canvas to work with.

(Too mean?)

83 Macha  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:39:53pm

re: #72 jamesfirecat

Theoretically yes, but he has developed a whole new approach. Stealth comedy. Convince them you are serious. That so many actually believe him is where the comedy comes in, or would if it weren't so darn sad.

84 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:40:29pm

re: #77 Spare O'Lake

I did not know that Rush said that it was a jihadist attack - did he really?
You, by the way are acting the sheep, my friend.

And how is that?

I get that you don't like the facts that I am bringing. However, they would still be true if I was a platypus.

So what is your factual objection to the points I am bringing?

85 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:40:29pm

re: #82 jamesfirecat

No.

86 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:40:32pm

re: #79 DrBoobooday

It's all part of the regime's plan.

Better buy gold, folks.

Forgot your sarc tag there pardner?

You might wana bring one just to be safe, there are trolls about in these parts....

87 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:40:56pm

re: #83 Macha

That's often an excuse to defend indefensible positions, so I'd be careful about that.

(The defense being: No, its actually a joke people just didn't get it!)

88 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:41:04pm

re: #67 MandyManners

Wouldn't we have heard of it by now?

The complete and utter official silence concerning the cause has to me been deafening.

89 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:41:51pm

re: #72 jamesfirecat

Don't you have to be funny to be an entertainer?

Roseanne Barr had a job...

90 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:41:57pm

re: #86 jamesfirecat

I dunno, htought that one was a gimme >>

'buy gold' is almost the new sarc tag anwyays :D

92 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:43:06pm

re: #90 windsagio

I dunno, htought that one was a gimme >>

'buy gold' is almost the new sarc tag anwyays :D

Well I checked and that was the guy's first post.

It helps to bring the sarc tag until you're well enough established on LGF for people have to have a clue about which way you lean politically....

93 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:43:19pm

re: #79 DrBoobooday

It's all part of the regime's plan.

Better buy gold, folks.

first comment! welcome! did you bring adult beverages or what?

94 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:43:21pm

re: #88 Spare O'Lake

The complete and utter official silence concerning the cause has to me been deafening.

Why do we always have to beg you to READ up on it. Holy shit, there's so much written already about the procedure that was taking place when the explosion happened.

No, you'd rather peddle your fears.

95 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:43:45pm

re: #79 DrBoobooday

It's all part of the regime's plan.

Better buy gold, folks.

Welcome!

96 Macha  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:43:54pm

re: #87 windsagio

Yeah, you are right and Rush is an adept at that.

97 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:44:06pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Man, I never thought I'd say this, I almost feel bad for the oil companies >>

98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:44:22pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Second drilling rig overturns in Louisiana

Terrible news. It would be important to find out if these rigs shared a common design.

99 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:44:27pm

re: #74 windsagio

Also (to repeat myself), from a terrorism standpoint, its an awful target.

Considering the cataclysmic loss of life and vast ecological and economic damage being caused, I don't quite follow your bald assertion.

100 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:44:49pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Also;

WAS A RADICALIZED SEAMAN INVOLVED?

101 cliffster  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:44:51pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Second drilling rig overturns in Louisiana

Well, that settles it. Remember - two towers. Two oil rigs. ohmigod

102 gehazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:44:55pm

re: #17 Renaissance_Man

Someone asked in the other thread if there was anything Rush could say that would cause his followers to repudiate him. The answer, of course, is no, unless it directly violates the central tenets of their belief system.

For at least a certain portion of his audience, would even this suffice? Some of them don't seem to have any belief system beyond "ditto."

103 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:45:08pm

re: #88 Spare O'Lake

The complete and utter official silence concerning the cause has to me been deafening.

That is because the evidence of the cause has sunk a mile beneath the ocean and those who saw the event happen are all dead.

104 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:45:34pm

re: #99 Spare O'Lake

Considering the cataclysmic loss of life and vast ecological and economic damage being caused, I don't quite follow your bald assertion.

Ecological damage is a goal of terrorists?

105 Macha  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:45:53pm

Gotta go. Bye all.

106 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:46:11pm

re: #99 Spare O'Lake

The idea isn't to just cause a bunch of harm, but to make a media impact (or to hit symbolic targets). I've never heard of anything even remotely close to "We'll show America! Lets Kill off millions of animals!"

107 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:46:26pm

re: #63 Spare O'Lake

Is it verboten to ask or to speculate on the cause?

Obama indicated the investigation will be thorough and will include the possibility of criminal acts. I don't think it's verboten at all. It's a normal question to ask. I don't like it when people, due to their own partisan paranoia, attack others who ask perfectly legitimate questions.

But it's abnormal to start insinuating a conspiracy, absent real evidence, as Rush is doing (although I suspect he's not being serious).

108 teleskiguy  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:46:33pm
Booga booga.

This is why I'm a regular reader of LGF. Charles instills some humor into something as deadly serious as the subject of the great propagandist el Rushbo whipping the flames crazy in the United States.

HA HA

109 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:46:51pm

re: #92 jamesfirecat

Just so I make sure I have it right, is "/" a sarc tag?

110 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:46:54pm

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

The nature of the accidents is totally different, so there's not likely to be a huge link in causation. Just crazy timing.

111 Irenicum  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:47:18pm

re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote

I really wish I could disagree with you Ludwig. I really do. But I don't. The rhetoric is truly scary nowadays.

112 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:47:33pm

re: #109 Sionainn

On here yeah; most places its just a way to emote. (lolpetpeeve)

113 Sigma_x  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:47:38pm

I wonder - has Rush ever come out and admitted he was wrong about anything? I mean, he's made so many ridiculous, absurd, completely asinine predictions that haven't come to pass, that you would think his followers would at least notice.

So when in a few weeks they find out the cause of this, is he gonna go on the air and say, "I was wrong?" Has he ever uttered those words, that anyone knows of?

114 sandbox  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:47:40pm

I favor drilling in ANWAR, but not off our coasts.

115 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:47:56pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

Why do we always have to beg you to READ up on it. Holy shit, there's so much written already about the procedure that was taking place when the explosion happened.

No, you'd rather peddle your fears.


Yes or no, then? Hmmm?

116 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:48:04pm

re: #109 Sionainn

Just so I make sure I have it right, is "/" a sarc tag?

Yeah. They're a fairly common shorthand on the board, quicker than needing to type (sarcasm) after a sarcastic statement that you worry might be taken seriously.

117 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:48:44pm

re: #95 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks very much!

118 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:48:50pm

re: #113 Sigma_x

I wonder - has Rush ever come out and admitted he was wrong about anything? I mean, he's made so many ridiculous, absurd, completely asinine predictions that haven't come to pass, that you would think his followers would at least notice.

So when in a few weeks they find out the cause of this, is he gonna go on the air and say, "I was wrong?" Has he ever uttered those words, that anyone knows of?

I wonder when Rush is gonna leave the country the way he promised he would if the democrats passed healthcare reform....

119 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:49:12pm

re: #88 Spare O'Lake

The complete and utter official silence concerning the cause has to me been deafening.

Darlin', where have you been?!

120 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:49:14pm

re: #112 windsagio

Thanks!

121 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:49:15pm

wingnuts are easy to influence, but ineducable

122 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:49:40pm

re: #118 jamesfirecat

Its like Silver Age comic books. You're supposed to forget what happened last month, so they can reuse the story next month.

123 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:49:48pm

re: #111 Irenicum

I really wish I could disagree with you Ludwig. I really do. But I don't. The rhetoric is truly scary nowadays.

I wish was wrong too. Almost every single thing out of Rush's mouth is straight out of the Nazi play book, but dressed up for America.

124 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:49:51pm

re: #93 Aceofwhat?

Does coffee count? We could throw in some Bailey's . . .

Thanks for the welcome.

125 Sigma_x  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:49:58pm

re: #118 jamesfirecat

That's exactly what I'm talking about - did he ever make a reference to that after it passed? Did he come out and say, "I shouldn't have said that; I'm not gonna leave the country?"

126 jaunte  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:50:35pm

re: #113 Sigma_x

Yes and no.
Even when he says he was wrong, its a way of showing how right he is.

RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, I am required to do this so rarely that whenever I do do it, I always call great attention to it, precisely because it is such a rare occurrence. But I must say that I was wrong, and this is going to detract from my opinion audit. At present I am documented to be almost always right 99.5% of the time. But I rendered an opinion on this health care summit -- that is the Republicans should not go -- and I was wrong. [Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

127 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:50:58pm

re: #110 windsagio

The nature of the accidents is totally different, so there's not likely to be a huge link in causation. Just crazy timing.

The thought that went through my mind was a common failure in a critical piece of equipment. Note, I am purely speculating.

128 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:51:13pm

re: #109 Sionainn

Just so I make sure I have it right, is "/" a sarc tag?

you could call it our "accent"...

and yes, i'm quite proud of myself right now

129 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:51:29pm

re: #113 Sigma_x

has Rush ever come out and admitted he was wrong about anything?

rush is unconstrained by any need to correspond to reality

130 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:51:38pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

Ecological damage is a goal of terrorists?

Saddam did it.

131 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:51:43pm

re: #84 LudwigVanQuixote

And how is that?

I get that you don't like the facts that I am bringing. However, they would still be true if I was a platypus.

So what is your factual objection to the points I am bringing?

I asked two very simple and straightforward questions and am getting no answers...just a bunch of bleating.

132 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:52:25pm

re: #124 DrBoobooday

Welcome!

133 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:52:26pm

re: #86 jamesfirecat

Haha. Sarcasm fully intended, but you're right, I'm so new, I might not want to take chances.

135 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:53:04pm

re: #131 Spare O'Lake

There has not been silence on the cause of this. It has been talked about at great length.

Your assumptions are wrong, and it is odious of you to ghoulishly speculate about this tragedy to further your own paranoia.

136 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:53:55pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

Trivia Question, this movie was delayed being released to theaters, does anyone know why?

137 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:54:06pm

re: #106 windsagio

The idea isn't to just cause a bunch of harm, but to make a media impact (or to hit symbolic targets). I've never heard of anything even remotely close to "We'll show America! Lets Kill off millions of animals!"

Is that the best you can do?

138 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:54:22pm

re: #131 Spare O'Lake

I asked two very simple and straightforward questions and am getting no answers...just a bunch of bleating.

Then I missed your questions... What are they?

139 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:55:19pm

re: #130 MandyManners

Saddam did it.

Did you consider Saddam a terrorist?

140 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:55:27pm

re: #114 sandbox

I favor drilling in ANWAR, but not off our coasts.

Because you know, a spill up there could nver become our problem...

I have to very strongly disagree.

141 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:55:28pm

re: #133 DrBoobooday

Haha. Sarcasm fully intended, but you're right, I'm so new, I might not want to take chances.

If it makes you feel better, this is a smart crowd and can therefore be a tough crowd, but they're incredibly quick to accept apologies, and gracious about it afterwards. Knock yourself out-

142 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:55:49pm

re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote

I wish was wrong too. Almost every single thing out of Rush's mouth is straight out of the Nazi play book, but dressed up for America.

Oh brother.

143 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:56:29pm

re: #136 jamesfirecat

Trivia Question, this movie was delayed being released to theaters, does anyone know why?

Was it because they had to change the Dallas line after JFK's assassination?

144 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:57:07pm

re: #39 Charles

That's the meme suddenly being pushed by all the wingers. Obama's Katrina.

Ironically, these are the same people who vehemently denied Bush even had a "Katrina." Listen to them and you'll get the impression nothing much went wrong then.

So in a way, they're calling their own outrageous outrage of the day a meaningless nontroversy. Excellent.

And these are the same fools who pushed for the drilling in the first place. Obama should NEVER have caved on that, but he did and to people like them.

The sickening hypocrisy is almost overwhelming.

145 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:57:31pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

Did you consider Saddam a terrorist?

Yep.

146 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:57:39pm

re: #142 Spare O'Lake

Oh brother.

Whine less and debate more.

You have yet to say a single factual thing.

147 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:57:40pm

re: #143 ~Fianna

Was it because they had to change the Dallas line after JFK's assassination?

Ding, ding ding, we have a winner!

Well that was easy, maybe later we can have Charles devote a thread to people quizzing each other on Simpson's trivia.

148 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:57:45pm

bbiab

149 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:59:07pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

Did you consider Saddam a terrorist?

Without a doubt.

150 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:59:29pm

RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, I am required to do this so rarely that whenever I do do it, I always call great attention to it, precisely because it is such a rare occurrence. But I must say that I was wrong, and this is going to detract from my opinion audit. At present I am documented to be almost always right 99.5% of the time. But I rendered an opinion on this health care summit -- that is the Republicans should not go -- and I was wrong. [Link: [Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]...]

That statement doesn't actually make sense. If it did, the most likely sense would be that he couldn't be truly right more than .5% of the time. But words don't really mean anything.

re: #126 jaunte

151 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 2:59:59pm

re: #141 Aceofwhat?

If it makes you feel better, this is a smart crowd and can therefore be a tough crowd, but they're incredibly quick to accept apologies, and gracious about it afterwards. Knock yourself out-

I found that to be very true.

152 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:00:04pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

That's the whole point rite? I mean he had that strong alliance with Al-Qaeda!

153 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:00:11pm

re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote

indeed. you can sell just about anything to a wingnut as long as you take care to dress it up according to the 'true german american pastriot' scenario you describe here

154 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:01:18pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

Did you consider Saddam a terrorist?

Wrench, see this Lessons of Darkness- Saddams eco terror

There is other stuff out there as well.

155 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:01:54pm

um, there was supposed to be a strike thru 'german' there...

156 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:03:12pm

I pulled back the skin from the chicken and inserted four, minced cloves of garlic. Then, I roasted it. I'll serve it with angel-hair pasta with an olive oil and garlic sauce, steamed asparagus with almonds sprinkled over it and a crisp and crunchy salad.

Bye.

157 Sigma_x  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:03:28pm

I find it interesting that there's a pretty fair share of conservatives on this board, and yet no one who will defend Limbaugh, who is the "defacto leader" and/or standard bearer for the conservative movement in this country.

Crickets.

158 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:04:07pm

re: #153 engineer dog

indeed. you can sell just about anything to a wingnut as long as you take care to dress it up according to the 'true german american pastriot' scenario you describe here

And that of course is the problem. Back in the day, the righties understood where this craziness leads. Men like Buckley - a fellow I detest actually and never ever thought I would miss - made certain that this was not the face of the GOP.

Not so much anymore.

The people stoking this are holding a tiger by the tail. The same types back in Germany thought they could control the same tiger as well. They failed. Once these memes become common enough they take on a life of their own.

159 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:04:09pm

re: #135 Obdicut

re: #138 LudwigVanQuixote

1. Has a jihadist inside job been ruled out?
2. Has terrorism been ruled out?

Two simple straightforward and innocent questions.
The paranoia is in the evasive and hostile responses, IMO.
If these subjects were indeed discussed here, then I was not here.

160 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:04:12pm

re: #156 MandyManners

I pulled back the skin from the chicken and inserted four, minced cloves of garlic. Then, I roasted it. I'll serve it with angel-hair pasta with an olive oil and garlic sauce, steamed asparagus with almonds sprinkled over it and a crisp and crunchy salad.

Bye.

Go ahead, kill me.

Sounds damn fine.

161 cliffster  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:04:14pm

re: #156 MandyManners

I pulled back the skin from the chicken and inserted four, minced cloves of garlic. Then, I roasted it. I'll serve it with angel-hair pasta with an olive oil and garlic sauce, steamed asparagus with almonds sprinkled over it and a crisp and crunchy salad.

Bye.

I'll be there in a few.

162 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:05:15pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote

And these are the same fools who pushed for the drilling in the first place. Obama should NEVER have caved on that, but he did and to people like them.

The sickening hypocrisy is almost overwhelming.

ONLY NAZIS WOULD WANT TO DRILL FOR OIL!

163 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:05:34pm

re: #157 Sigma_x

I find it interesting that there's a pretty fair share of conservatives on this board, and yet no one who will defend Limbaugh, who is the "defacto leader" and/or standard bearer for the conservative movement in this country.

Crickets.

That's because LGF has become a reservation for "Reasonable Republicans" these once proud beasts have been all but rendered extinct due to the vile Wingitis parasite which ceases control of the hosts nervous system and makes them extremely violent and illogical.

We can only hope that thanks to Charles we'll maintain a large enough breeding population in this quarenteened zone that the magnificent creatures won't go existinct.

164 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:07:15pm

re: #162 Spare O'Lake

Now you're just being an ass.

165 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:07:59pm

re: #159 Spare O'Lake

re: #138 LudwigVanQuixote

1. Has a jihadist inside job been ruled out?
2. Has terrorism been ruled out?

Two simple straightforward and innocent questions.
The paranoia is in the evasive and hostile responses, IMO.
If these subjects were indeed discussed here, then I was not here.

Ahhh, he is just asking questions.

Let me be rabbinic, and answer with three questions of my own:

1. Is there any reason at all to suspect either jihadis or terrorists?
2. Why would you rule out that this was an accident on a complex piece of machinery built by a corporation that may or may not cut costs to increase profits?
3. Why would you rule out human error?
4. Why would you rule out an tragic, but legitimately unforeseen set of circumstances?
5. Why would you ask your questions in the first place if you weren't trying to spread the paranoid hysteria of a Rushbot?

166 Sigma_x  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:08:09pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

That's because LGF has become a reservation for "Reasonable Republicans" these once proud beasts have been all but rendered extinct due to the vile Wingitis parasite which ceases control of the hosts nervous system and makes them extremely violent and illogical.

We can only hope that thanks to Charles we'll maintain a large enough breeding population in this quarenteened zone that the magnificent creatures won't go existinct.

I thought whatshisface - David Frum - was the voice of Responsible Republicans in this country.

But then he just came out and endorsed Marc Rubio... and there went that theory. This country is fucked.

167 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:08:14pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

There are probably ones who agree with him alot more than they let on, but don't dare say, because they can't go directly against the culture.

168 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:08:39pm

re: #162 Spare O'Lake

ONLY NAZIS WOULD WANT TO DRILL FOR OIL!

In the sense that the effects of AGW will kill many more than the Nazis did, you have a point.

169 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:09:10pm

re: #165 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh, he is just asking questions.

Let me be rabbinic, and answer with three questions of my own:

1. Is there any reason at all to suspect either jihadis or terrorists?
2. Why would you rule out that this was an accident on a complex piece of machinery built by a corporation that may or may not cut costs to increase profits?
3. Why would you rule out human error?
4. Why would you rule out an tragic, but legitimately unforeseen set of circumstances?
5. Why would you ask your questions in the first place if you weren't trying to spread the paranoid hysteria of a Rushbot?

And you know that by three I meant five... lol

170 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:09:34pm

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote

Nope, sorry. Credibility is totally shot!

171 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:09:57pm

re: #132 MandyManners

Thank you! I've been lurking for a while, and finally caught an open window. Love the robust conversation around here. I wrote my PhD dissertation on political discussion forums, and I think this is a great example of a community that successfully accommodates multiple points of view. Happy to join the conversation!

I've also noticed that these talkers (Rush, Levin, Beck) have now got their schtick down so well they flow seamlessly from the fearmongering to the gold-mongering. One begins to wonder if their apocalyptic rhetoric is all just designed to pander to their paranoia-oriented advertisers.

172 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:10:10pm

re: #157 Sigma_x

I find it interesting that there's a pretty fair share of conservatives on this board, and yet no one who will defend Limbaugh, who is the "defacto leader" and/or standard bearer for the conservative movement in this country.

Crickets.

He has been so ordained by himself and by many of his lib opponents, but there is no requirement for others wanting to self-identify as "conservatives" to accept this evaluation.

173 MinisterO  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:11:06pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel


The evil Obama regime arranged for its minions, possibly the maritime branch of the ACORN militia, to sabotage this rig so they could pass cap and trade and add emphasis to their celebrations of Lenin's birthday (cover name: "Earth day").

The liberal media won't even acknowledge the existence of the maritime branch of the ACORN militia. That's why I choose Fox News.

174 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:11:20pm

re: #157 Sigma_x

I find it interesting that there's a pretty fair share of conservatives on this board, and yet no one who will defend Limbaugh, who is the "defacto leader" and/or standard bearer for the conservative movement in this country.

Crickets.

I actually think they do defend him. In the round about way, of course.

175 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:11:41pm

re: #171 DrBoobooday

Thank you! I've been lurking for a while, and finally caught an open window. Love the robust conversation around here. I wrote my PhD dissertation on political discussion forums, and I think this is a great example of a community that successfully accommodates multiple points of view. Happy to join the conversation!

I've also noticed that these talkers (Rush, Levin, Beck) have now got their schtick down so well they flow seamlessly from the fearmongering to the gold-mongering. One begins to wonder if their apocalyptic rhetoric is all just designed to pander to their paranoia-oriented advertisers.

Welcome to our tribe. Let me show you how we make Anthropologist Stew.

176 Randy W. Weeks  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:11:55pm

re: #22 Obdicut

He's going to open a bottle of champagne. He's a destructive person, not a constructive person. He's far better off with an enemy in the White House he can blame everything on.

Dunno...I think Limbaugh believes the crap he spouts and thinks of himself as the Leading Light of the Right. Buckley thought he was legit.

And I think he really, really, really doesn't like Obama.

177 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:12:40pm

re: #171 DrBoobooday

Thank you! I've been lurking for a while, and finally caught an open window. Love the robust conversation around here. I wrote my PhD dissertation on political discussion forums, and I think this is a great example of a community that successfully accommodates multiple points of view. Happy to join the conversation!

I've also noticed that these talkers (Rush, Levin, Beck) have now got their schtick down so well they flow seamlessly from the fearmongering to the gold-mongering. One begins to wonder if their apocalyptic rhetoric is all just designed to pander to their paranoia-oriented advertisers.

Oh man, the idea that I was in your thesis is a little frightening.

178 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:12:52pm

re: #174 Stanley Sea

Kinda in the same way that nobody 'denies' AGW.

179 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:13:38pm

Has anyone claimed Rush was just being sarcastic...all just a joke and anyone who takes him seriously has no sense of humor yet?

180 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:13:39pm

re: #178 windsagio

Kinda in the same way that nobody 'denies' AGW.

EXACTLY.

181 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:13:56pm

re: #179 webevintage

Has anyone claimed Rush was just being sarcastic...all just a joke and anyone who takes him seriously has no sense of humor yet?

Last thread.

182 Sigma_x  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:15:05pm

re: #172 Shiplord Kirel

He has been so ordained by himself and by many of his lib opponents, but there is no requirement for others wanting to self-identify as "conservatives" to accept this evaluation.

Tell that to the endless parade of elected officials who line up to kiss his ass on a weekly basis and make sure not to dispute a single one of the absurdities that spew forth from his fat, bloated mouth.

183 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:15:14pm

re: #165 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh, he is just asking questions.

Let me be rabbinic, and answer with three questions of my own:

1. Is there any reason at all to suspect either jihadis or terrorists?
2. Why would you rule out that this was an accident on a complex piece of machinery built by a corporation that may or may not cut costs to increase profits?
3. Why would you rule out human error?
4. Why would you rule out an tragic, but legitimately unforeseen set of circumstances?
5. Why would you ask your questions in the first place if you weren't trying to spread the paranoid hysteria of a Rushbot?

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

184 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:15:16pm

Cliff -Tiger missed the cut..

185 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:16:04pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

Are you serious?

186 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:17:33pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I don't. Its staggeringly unlikely.

187 Sigma_x  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:17:35pm

And, anyway, I thought you weren't supposed to disagree with the President while the country was at war. I thought it "emboldened out enemies."

Wasn't that what we were fed for 8 years?

188 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:17:39pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

That cannot be dismissed completely. Neither can "Fraternity Initiation Gone Awry".

189 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:18:04pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

Yes. Me. I don't wonder whether the car accident I saw at lunch was terrorists either, or my internet service going out, or the weird noise coming from the server room.

I do believe that you honestly think everyone shares your paranoia, and that makes it clearer why you take the rather deranged positions you frequently do.

190 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:18:26pm

re: #186 windsagio

I don't. Its staggeringly unlikely.

That's one.

191 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:18:30pm

I wonder if in the end we will find out that this and the mining disaster (that Rush blamed on the non-existent union) are all really just the result of years of lax regulatory oversight, greed and government/corporate corruption.

192 cliffster  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:18:36pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Cliff -Tiger missed the cut..

Yeah I know - and he did it in a big way. 9 over par, finished T141th place. Might be the worst he's ever played professionally. One tournament after finishing 4th at the Masters. Good grief.

193 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:19:13pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

Count me as two then.
My petunias are more likely to have caused it.

194 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:19:20pm

re: #187 Sigma_x

And, anyway, I thought you weren't supposed to disagree with the President while the country was at war. I thought it "emboldened out enemies."

Wasn't that what we were fed for 8 years?

Only works if the President is a Republican.

195 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:19:51pm

re: #190 Spare O'Lake

Lets change the question, "Had anyone seriously thought it was Terrorists before Spare brought it up? Or after, for that matter?"

196 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:20:27pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

LOL! You literally made me laugh out loud. Good thing my major was Mass Comm. :-)

197 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:20:35pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

All the sane ones. The fact that it isn't ruled out does not make it likely.

I can not rule out it being caused by a Star Trek like encounter between James Bond and his evil future self battling it out with fembots and death rays - but I can not be certain...

198 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:20:53pm

OT: Oy stan, if yer still here refresh your browser. Too risque?

199 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:21:09pm

re: #172 Shiplord Kirel

He has been so ordained by himself and by many of his lib opponents, but there is no requirement for others wanting to self-identify as "conservatives" to accept this evaluation.

Really.
Reminder: Dear Leader Rush was made an honorary Congressman in 1994, in recognition of his great services to the GOP.

Don't make me link the list of GOP types who have apologised to Rush just this year for daring to suggest he was 'just an entertainer.'
Aw fuck it, I will anyway.
We're Sorry, Rush!
PS:


Rush Limbaugh, honorary Republican Congressman


Some observers seem to think that Barack Obama has "elevated" Rush Limbaugh to a position of leadership in the Republican Party. Nonsense. Republicans did that long ago.

It was the House Republicans who made Limbaugh an honorary member of their caucus and gave him credit for the GOP takeover of Congress in 1994.

It was the leaders of the conservative movement who embraced Limbaugh's far-right agenda, marginalizing themselves with ill-considered and unpopular - though Rush-approved - stances on nearly every significant issue that has come up over the past two decades.

It was Dick Cheney and other prominent Republicans who chose to enhance Limbaugh's stature by appearing regularly on his radio program.

Limbaugh's place at the center of the conservative movement - though not of the population at large -- is so well-established, even Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz describes him as a "mainstream conservative."

Barack Obama didn't elevate Rush Limbaugh to a position of leadership of the GOP and the conservative movement. Limbaugh has held that position for nearly two decades - and he has done so because his fellow conservative leaders share his far-right views and his rabid distaste for fact and reason. Their embrace of Limbaugh and his failed ideology has had disastrous consequences first for the nation and then for the conservative movement. Some of those conservatives may now have the good sense to be embarrassed by their association with Limbaugh, but until they actually change their policy positions and their approach to politics, he will remain an icon of their failures and excesses.

200 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:21:13pm

re: #196 DrBoobooday

Anthro, here.

201 MinisterO  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:21:55pm

re: #159 Spare O'Lake


Two simple straightforward and innocent questions.
The paranoia is in the evasive and hostile responses, IMO.

Hey, you're just like that Glenn Beck fellow!

202 cliffster  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:21:57pm

re: #195 windsagio

Lets change the question, "Had anyone seriously thought it was Terrorists before Spare brought it up? Or after, for that matter?"

I thought about it for a second. I mean, any time something catastrophic happens now, it crosses my mind. Then I thought that it would take a lot of planning and resources, and the terrorists wouldn't get a lot of bang for their buck, measured in loss of infidel life. So nah, probably not.

203 zora  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:21:58pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

KELLY: Do you think that these folks who are all noticeably outside of your state, are the ones that I just ticked off, including the President, have an appreciation, governor, for what Arizona has been going through with respect to illegal immigration?

BREWER: Obviously not. You know Arizona has been under terrorist attacks, if you will, with all of this illegal immigration that has been taking place on our very porous border. […] The whole issue comes back, that we do not and will not tolerate illegal immigration bringing with it very much so the implications of crime and terrorism into our state.

Brewer probably wonders the same thing as you.

204 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:22:09pm

re: #199 iceweasel

Ice! It has been too long!

205 sandbox  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:22:12pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

Hey. That's me--I'm a reasonable Republican. Reasonable is my middle name. Hercule Reasonable Sandbox.

206 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:22:15pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

That cannot be dismissed completely. Neither can "Fraternity Initiation Gone Awry".

Has anyone considered the possibility that Superman did this to get back at Aquaman for trashing Wonder Woman's invisible plane?

207 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:22:41pm

re: #177 LudwigVanQuixote

My sample was taken from FR and DU. If you were posting there, you might be quoted.

208 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:22:45pm

re: #205 sandbox

You support Rubio.

209 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:22:51pm

re: #189 Obdicut

Yes. Me. I don't wonder whether the car accident I saw at lunch was terrorists either, or my internet service going out, or the weird noise coming from the server room.

I do believe that you honestly think everyone shares your paranoia, and that makes it clearer why you take the rather deranged positions you frequently do.

So ignore me if you think I'm crazy, fuckwad.

210 zora  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:23:04pm

re: #203 zora

Gov. Brewer: ‘Arizona has been under terrorist attacks’ with ‘all of this illegal immigration.’

211 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:23:06pm

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

All the sane ones. The fact that it isn't ruled out does not make it likely.

I can not rule out it being caused by a Star Trek like encounter between James Bond and his evil future self battling it out with fembots and death rays - but I can not be certain...

Oh, phoo. Your sarcastic response was better than mine.

*pout*

212 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:23:22pm

re: #208 Obdicut

Ba-zing!

213 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:23:32pm

re: #179 webevintage

Has anyone claimed Rush was just being sarcastic...all just a joke and anyone who takes him seriously has no sense of humor yet?

Like so funny I forgot to laugh?

214 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:23:33pm

re: #206 ~Fianna

Has anyone considered the possibility that Superman did this to get back at Aquaman for trashing Wonder Woman's invisible plane?

Could be a Minority Appendix to the board's report.

215 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:23:48pm

re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

Ice! It has been too long!

Hey Ludwig-baby! S'up? What's shakin'?
Jimmah sez hi too. ;)

216 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:23:51pm

re: #210 zora

Gov. Brewer: ‘Arizona has been under terrorist attacks’ with ‘all of this illegal immigration.’

Someone sure is running for the Tea Party and Oath Keepers vote.

217 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:24:18pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

what good would it be as a 'terrorist attack' if nobody has claimed credit for it? unlike 9/11, it is believed to be merely a screwup unless and until some terrorist speaks up

if it is a terrorist attack, at this point it would be as effective as kidnapping somebody for ransom and not telling anybody about it, eh?

218 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:24:19pm

re: #209 Spare O'Lake

Ever get the feeling that you're not doing yourself any favors by hanging around? I might suggest a voulentary timeout might do you a ton of good.

219 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:24:52pm

re: #195 windsagio

Lets change the question, "Had anyone seriously thought it was Terrorists before Spare brought it up? Or after, for that matter?"

No. That's why I come to LGF!

220 Cheechako  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:25:09pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

It's on my list, but at the very bottom.

I suggest the 24 hour rule be changed to the 24 month rule in this situation. It's going to take at least that long to determine the cause.

221 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:25:14pm

re: #217 engineer dog

what good would it be as a 'terrorist attack' if nobody has claimed credit for it? unlike 9/11, it is believed to be merely a screwup unless and until some terrorist speaks up

if it is a terrorist attack, at this point it would be as effective as kidnapping somebody for ransom and not telling anybody about it, eh?

Why do engineers have to be so logical?

222 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:25:59pm

re: #221 ~Fianna

Why do dogs have to be so logical?

FixT

223 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:26:50pm

re: #198 windsagio

Nevah. Got to go way further for that.

224 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:27:32pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

I don't. I think it was a blowout.

225 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:27:34pm

re: #223 Stanley Sea

I've been tempted once or twice while drunk, to put someting really crazy in there. Luckily good sense has prevailed... so far.

226 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:27:35pm

re: #207 DrBoobooday

Are the electrons available?

227 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:27:36pm

re: #215 iceweasel

Hey Ludwig-baby! S'up? What's shakin'?
Jimmah sez hi too. ;)

Hey lady! What's up? Miss you! Can I put upon you to send me an email? I'm momentarily blue :)

228 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:27:46pm

re: #209 Spare O'Lake

So ignore me if you think I'm crazy, fuckwad.

Societies don't last long if they just ignore the insane. They need to be "resanified" (don't know the correct technical term) or at least put someplace where they can't be a harm to themselves or others.

229 sandbox  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:27:48pm

re: #208 Obdicut

How do you characterize your politics.?

230 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:28:05pm

re: #209 Spare O'Lake

Ignoring the crazy is not a good strategy. Pointing out that they're crazy is much preferred.

I do not, however, think you're crazy. I don't mean that your paranoia is clinical and you need to seek treatment; I'm using it in the colloquial sense. I think it's very, very unreasonable, not to mention disrespectful, to, without any cause, speculate about terrorism.

Terrorists have not actually been all that successful. 9/11 was a terrible fucking thing, but it was their one huge success in the United States. Making too much of terrorists is as bad, if not worse, than overminimizing them, so I see you working against your own beliefs.

231 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:28:18pm

re: #228 jamesfirecat

The term we prefer is 'They need treatment'.

232 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:29:17pm

re: #221 ~Fianna

:-)

re: #222 windsagio

:-) :-)

233 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:29:57pm

re: #229 sandbox

I don't tend to characterize my politics. I especially don't tend to claim to be a moderate when supporting radical candidates.

If you need to stick me in a box, I'm wildly socially liberal and fiscally pragmatic. I don't care about the supposed 'liberalness' or 'conservative'-ness of any proposal, just about its efficacy and whether or not its actually needed.

234 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:31:23pm

re: #207 DrBoobooday

My sample was taken from FR and DU. If you were posting there, you might be quoted.

No I never have posted at either place.

This was my first and only regular blog. Its a rather curious experience. You make a lot of "blog friends" and it really does become something of a community.

Of course, for all I know you are all squid people from Beta Reticula, but on screen it is pretty cool.

It is also a major ego boost that from being on a visible blog like this you know a lot of people are reading your thoughts. I will admit it. I would like to believe that because of my postings some hundreds have started taking AGW seriously.

235 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:31:44pm

re: #156 MandyManners

I pulled back the skin from the chicken and inserted four, minced cloves of garlic. Then, I roasted it. I'll serve it with angel-hair pasta with an olive oil and garlic sauce, steamed asparagus with almonds sprinkled over it and a crisp and crunchy salad.

Bye.

I'll have to try that! I roasted the chicken with paprika and rosemary and I'm serving it with sweet potatoes, baby carrots and brown/wild rice. Wine is Gamla Chardonnay.

I also made Zedushka's favorite, apple strudel.

236 sandbox  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:31:46pm

This morning say 8:00 am est, lgf posters were saying that the morning shift tends conservative, and the late afternoon time tends liberal. I agree with that.

237 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:32:40pm

re: #236 sandbox

This morning say 8:00 am est, lgf posters were saying that the morning shift tends conservative, and the late afternoon time tends liberal. I agree with that.

It'd be interesting to know the demographic breakdowns of the two groups.

238 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:32:52pm

re: #215 iceweasel

Hey Ludwig-baby! S'up? What's shakin'?
Jimmah sez hi too. ;)

Well, I have been very strongly drawing out the similar memes of the modern far right and the early Nazis in very great detail.

The GF continues to prove how fabulous she is.

Research is going well.

And AGW is still happening badly.

239 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:33:20pm

re: #236 sandbox

This morning say 8:00 am est, lgf posters were saying that the morning shift tends conservative, and the late afternoon time tends liberal. I agree with that.

Seems true, and I can't think of a reason for it.

240 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:33:25pm

re: #235 Alouette

I'll have to try that! I roasted the chicken with paprika and rosemary and I'm serving it with sweet potatoes, baby carrots and brown/wild rice. Wine is Gamla Chardonnay.

I also made Zedushka's favorite, apple strudel.

Ohhhh a proper strudel is Gan Eden.

241 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:33:58pm

Curious. How would you guys/gals classify me politically based on my comments?

242 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:33:59pm

re: #154 researchok

Hmm, "an excursion into a literal biblical hell." I won't blame the film maker for the review...

OK, Saddam was an eco-terrorist. Although Wikipedia considers "eco-terrorists" to be those who commit terrorism in defense of the environment. I thought Saddam was motivated more by the economic impact of what he did, but that's water oil under the bridge.

243 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:34:16pm

re: #227 marjoriemoon

Hey lady! What's up? Miss you! Can I put upon you to send me an email? I'm momentarily blue :)

{marjoree}

244 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:34:41pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

Curious. How would you guys/gals classify me politically based on my comments?

"Reasonable"

245 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:35:14pm

More headache:

Oil from the massive spill in the Gulf of Mexico is oozing into Louisiana's wetlands and threatening wildlife as storms threaten to frustrate desperate protection efforts.

The National Weather Service predicts winds, high tides and waves through Sunday that could push oil deep into the inlets, ponds and lakes that line the boot of southeast Louisiana. Seas of 6 to 7 feet are pushing tides several feet above normal toward the coast. Friday's forecast calls for thunderstorms.

The leading edge of the spill reached the Louisiana coastline Thursday evening, officials said. The oil had moved into South Pass of the Mississippi River and was lapping at the shoreline in long, thin lines by sundown. Booms in place to protect grasslands and sandy beaches are being over topped by 5-foot waves of oily water in choppy seas.

And forget Levin's interpretation that armed SWAT teams are converging here. Here's what's really happening:

Federal officials are investigating what caused an oil rig to explode and sink in the gulf, killing 11 people. More than 100 people escaped the blast, but an oil sheen has already reached Louisiana coastline.
. . .
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says the federal government will continue to push BP PLC, which owned the rig, for a strong response to the spill.
. . .
Jindal said preparations are being made for emergency shelters to be opened if needed as residents feel the affects of fumes from the incident. The governor said 1,500 protective suits have been ordered for more personnel to take part in cleanup efforts.
. . .

Speaking in the Rose Garden, President Barack Obama said he has ordered Interior Secretary Ken Salazar to review what happened and report back within 30 days. That review will examine what safeguards should be put in place to prevent future spills.

. . .

Louisiana officials and some from the federal government will tour the spill area by helicopter Friday. They will fly over the coast and give a briefing at 1:30 p.m.on what they saw.

246 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:35:16pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

I love this game >>

You're a lefty peacemaker, imo.

247 sandbox  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:35:27pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Maybe Charles knows why.

248 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:35:29pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

Curious. How would you guys/gals classify me politically based on my comments?

Angry liberal leaning, centrist who like most angry nerd guys who really has little patience for stupidity, has fantasies of choking the insolent with the force.

249 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:35:36pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

Curious. How would you guys/gals classify me politically based on my comments?

Socially Liberal. Not sure about the other. :)

250 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:35:55pm

re: #227 marjoriemoon

Hey lady! What's up? Miss you! Can I put upon you to send me an email? I'm momentarily blue :)

Done! Just now!

251 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:36:04pm

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

All the sane ones. The fact that it isn't ruled out does not make it likely.

I can not rule out it being caused by a Star Trek like encounter between James Bond and his evil future self battling it out with fembots and death rays - but I can not be certain...

I have no reason to think it actually was terrorism and never suggested it was. What I asked however were the first two questions that occurred to me. I believe it is certainly an unlikely possibility.

Now, what about the insane chorus of bleating hostile reactions which my questions provoked? Do you think it's entirely normal for one to accuse everyone who disagrees with one's own unproven perceptions of being a Nazi, a moron, or insane?

252 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:36:23pm

re: #107 KingKenrod

Obama indicated the investigation will be thorough and will include the possibility of criminal acts. I don't think it's verboten at all. It's a normal question to ask. I don't like it when people, due to their own partisan paranoia, attack others who ask perfectly legitimate questions.

But it's abnormal to start insinuating a conspiracy, absent real evidence, as Rush is doing (although I suspect he's not being serious).

It took them eleven months to release the report on Piper Alpha and they knew what the cause was within the first few months after interviewing the surviving employees of the platform. Your dealing with academics who don't just want to assign one specific point of blame, they will say "this was the cause" but also "this, and this, and this contributed."

Until they know exactly what happened and every possible thing that led up to it happening they will not release a report. The rig is at the bottom of very deep water and burnt and twisted beyond recognition, they may never determine the actual cause, but then again people thought they would never figure out what happened to Piper Alpha either.

253 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:36:28pm

re: #249 Stanley Sea

He's not as eager for conflict as *cough* some of us are, tho'.

254 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:36:34pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

Curious. How would you guys/gals classify me politically based on my comments?

Rational conservative who is not at all socially conservative.

I always feel the need to say someone isn't at all a social conservative, since they've gotten so ugly recently.

255 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:36:54pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

Curious. How would you guys/gals classify me politically based on my comments?

We usually agree, and I'm lefty.

256 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:37:26pm

re: #211 ~Fianna

Oh, phoo. Your sarcastic response was better than mine.

*pout*

But you are much prettier than me!

257 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:37:46pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Seems true, and I can't think of a reason for it.

The liberals work?
/punchline of a bad joke from a thread yesterday

258 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:37:46pm

re: #236 sandbox

This morning say 8:00 am est, lgf posters were saying that the morning shift tends conservative, and the late afternoon time tends liberal. I agree with that.

all us libs sleep in....

259 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:37:59pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

I think I'm kind of stuck in an older definition of 'conservative', meaning 'people who don't want to do things in a very rash way', which is entirely different from the way modern 'conservative' politicians act.

That's part of the problem with the terms.

260 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:38:47pm

Most interesting!
:)

261 Lidane  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:38:55pm

re: #251 Spare O'Lake

Do you think it's entirely normal for one to accuse everyone who disagrees with one's own unproven perceptions of being a Nazi, a moron, or insane?

Ask the teabaggers and Freepers. They've been running with that particular set of scissors since Obama got elected.

262 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:39:02pm

re: #258 webevintage

all us libs sleep in...

it is usually the best around happy hour...

cheers.

263 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:39:06pm

re: #252 ausador

Per aviation crash investigators, "You can have it fast, or you can have it right."

264 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:39:08pm

re: #251 Spare O'Lake

I have no reason to think it actually was terrorism and never suggested it was. What I asked however were the first two questions that occurred to me. I believe it is certainly an unlikely possibility.

Now, what about the insane chorus of bleating hostile reactions which my questions provoked? Do you think it's entirely normal for one to accuse everyone who disagrees with one's own unproven perceptions of being a Nazi, a moron, or insane?

When did I call you a Nazi? I am quite certain I never did.

Do you so identify with Rush that when he pulls out the Nazi gamebook, you see yourself attacked?

265 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:39:15pm

re: #238 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, I have been very strongly drawing out the similar memes of the modern far right and the early Nazis in very great detail.

The GF continues to prove how fabulous she is.

Research is going well.

And AGW is still happening badly.

Updinged you this morning for some of those posts in re: extremist right and Nazism. Jimmah says to tell you he totally agrees with you and has been noting the tendency on the right to call their opponents what they themselves are: racist, fascist, butthurt, etc.

266 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:39:49pm

ABCNews has this on as we type and they're going over the causes of how it happened. They also just declared a state of emergency for Florida gulf coast as well.

And guess what, no terrorism suspected or even mentioned. The rig had been leaking oil for days prior to the explosion.

267 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:40:32pm

re: #259 Obdicut

I think I'm kind of stuck in an older definition of 'conservative', meaning 'people who don't want to do things in a very rash way', which is entirely different from the way modern 'conservative' politicians act.

That's part of the problem with the terms.

Killgore thinks of himself as a "classic liberal", which is may be closer to old-time conservativism than today's liberalism.

I think we're probably all a bit of a mix.

I was in the thread this morning where that comment was made, and I pointed out that I had disagreed with everybody there at one point or another. So, where does that put me?

268 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:40:35pm

re: #266 marjoriemoon

ABCNews has this on as we type and they're going over the causes of how it happened. They also just declared a state of emergency for Florida gulf coast as well.

And guess what, no terrorism suspected or even mentioned. The rig had been leaking oil for days prior to the explosion.


It had? Interesting.

269 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:41:09pm

re: #265 iceweasel

Updinged you this morning for some of those posts in re: extremist right and Nazism. Jimmah says to tell you he totally agrees with you and has been noting the tendency on the right to call their opponents what they themselves are: racist, fascist, butthurt, etc.

I really miss both of you! Send me a line too! I want to hear how things are going.

Your commenting here is really missed by me.

270 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:42:29pm

re: #259 Obdicut

I tend to think of 'conservative' as 'resistant to change'.

It falls into trouble when instead of calling back to the status quo, you call back to a mythical version.

271 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:42:48pm

re: #218 windsagio

Ever get the feeling that you're not doing yourself any favors by hanging around? I might suggest a voulentary timeout might do you a ton of good.

Learn to spell, moron.

272 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:42:49pm

re: #267 reine.de.tout

I was in the thread this morning where that comment was made, and I pointed out that I had disagreed with everybody there at one point or another. So, where does that put me?

Contrarian!

/

273 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:42:57pm

re: #209 Spare O'Lake

So ignore me if you think I'm crazy, fuckwad.

Wow and you started this by whining about name calling.

274 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:42:59pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

Hmm, "an excursion into a literal biblical hell." I won't blame the film maker for the review...

OK, Saddam was an eco-terrorist. Although Wikipedia considers "eco-terrorists" to be those who commit terrorism in defense of the environment. I thought Saddam was motivated more by the economic impact of what he did, but that's water oil under the bridge.

Saddam was into recycling. Whatever he needed for terror was good enough for him. He was nothing of not creative.

275 blueraven  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:43:02pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

I dont.

On an earlier thread I mentioned I use to live in New Orleans and me and my husband used to escape as often as possible to the LA coast; camping fishing. Lived it, loved it!

What I didnt mention is that same very young husband was killed in August of 1976 in an oil refinery explosion, along with 12 others. They were welding inside a tank during a shutdown. An unmarked spigot for a line leading into the tank was wrongly identified by a worker as air, it was actually gas and it was turned on. As soon as the welding sparks it the gas...well you get the idea.

No jihadist, no ecoterrorism. An accident, caused by negligence. Thhis is personal for me. Not only because a place I love is in peril, but to know that others have lost their lives, probably due to more negligence by another oil company, makes me relive the whole thing.

276 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:43:14pm

re: #258 webevintage

all us libs sleep in...

That's because we stay up all night doing drugs and playing violent video games at our reckless abortion powered gay adoption rave orgies.

277 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:44:06pm

re: #275 blueraven

I'm so sorry to hear that. One month before I was born. I'm sorry.


Thank you for sharing it.

278 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:44:10pm

re: #268 Varek Raith

It had? Interesting.

I'm trying to find it online. I believe they said the pipeline leading to the rig was leaking.

279 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:44:39pm

re: #250 iceweasel

Done! Just now!

Oooo goodie :)

280 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:45:11pm

re: #275 blueraven

{{{blueraven}}}

281 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:45:14pm

re: #267 reine.de.tout

I was in the thread this morning where that comment was made, and I pointed out that I had disagreed with everybody there at one point or another. So, where does that put me?

Yes, you are a rare breed. it's called 'Thinker'.

282 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:45:17pm

re: #271 Spare O'Lake

Too lazy.


Seriously, we all get a thrill out of being Pisst sometimes, but you're helping neither your reputation on this blog, nor your cause.


The funny thing is, in a way I'm all for that (something I like to see discredited), but its still kind of hard to watch.

283 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:46:58pm

re: #264 LudwigVanQuixote

When did I call you a Nazi? I am quite certain I never did.

Do you so identify with Rush that when he pulls out the Nazi gamebook, you see yourself attacked?

When did I say you called me a Nazi?
When did I identify with Rush?
You are filth to suggest that I did either.

284 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:47:08pm

re: #256 LudwigVanQuixote

But you are much prettier than me!

*smile*

Thanks. :)

285 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:47:37pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

That's because we stay up all night doing drugs and playing violent video games at our reckless abortion powered gay adoption rave orgies.

I spend my nights thinking of all the ways I hate Sarah because she is so awesome and has a down syndrome kid and a successful career and is so hawt and that makes me jealous which makes me a sad panada which then makes me think of new ways I can take over the world which never work out which makes me think of Sarah and how it is all her fault.
That is why I stay up late.

286 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:47:57pm

re: #269 LudwigVanQuixote

I really miss both of you! Send me a line too! I want to hear how things are going.

Your commenting here is really missed by me.

Miss you loads, honey! Will send you a note. ;)

Jimmah-ski and I aren't online much now-- we're in NYC waitin' on the spousal visa. Also sightseeing since assuming the visa comes through, it will be several years before I live in NYC or the US again, and it's only Jimmah's second trip to NYC. (This is basically our honeymoon, of sorts.)

Once our living situation is sorted out we'll be here more regularly. ;)

In visa news, we just fedexed 5 lbs of documentation to our immigration lawyer. Wheee!

Next week's adventure: The British Consulate collects iceweasel's biometric data and runs it through their databases and US Homeland Security. Yes, really!

287 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:48:30pm

re: #275 blueraven

I am so sorry you are reliving this now. I appreciate your input very much.

288 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:49:23pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

That's because we stay up all night doing drugs and playing violent video games at our reckless abortion powered gay adoption rave orgies.

I never get invited to the cool parties.

289 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:49:37pm

re: #273 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow and you started this by whining about name calling.

Actually I started by asking if terrorism had been ruled out as a cause.
For a scientist you sure can lie up a storm.

290 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:50:58pm

re: #275 blueraven

I dont.

On an earlier thread I mentioned I use to live in New Orleans and me and my husband used to escape as often as possible to the LA coast; camping fishing. Lived it, loved it!

What I didnt mention is that same very young husband was killed in August of 1976 in an oil refinery explosion, along with 12 others. They were welding inside a tank during a shutdown. An unmarked spigot for a line leading into the tank was wrongly identified by a worker as air, it was actually gas and it was turned on. As soon as the welding sparks it the gas...well you get the idea.

No jihadist, no ecoterrorism. An accident, caused by negligence. Thhis is personal for me. Not only because a place I love is in peril, but to know that others have lost their lives, probably due to more negligence by another oil company, makes me relive the whole thing.

I am so sorry to hear that.

291 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:51:16pm

re: #286 iceweasel

Next week's adventure: The British Consulate collects iceweasel's biometric data and runs it through their databases and US Homeland Security. Yes, really!

And you thought Arizona was bad.

Best of luck to both of you!

292 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:52:05pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

I don't.
This was an accident, a terrible accident.

293 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:52:25pm

re: #289 Spare O'Lake

Actually I started by asking if terrorism had been ruled out as a cause.
For a scientist you sure can lie up a storm.

Spare please take a deep breath, and walk away from your keyboard for about ten minutes. I can easily put up with angry folks, but you are getting incoherent.

294 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:53:23pm

re: #260 Varek Raith

I see a lot of people here who are conservative in the classical sense. That is, without the cognitive dissonance of trying to mix a theocratic approach with a small-government philosophy.

295 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:53:35pm

re: #282 windsagio

Too lazy.


Seriously, we all get a thrill out of being Pisst sometimes, but you're helping neither your reputation on this blog, nor your cause.


The funny thing is, in a way I'm all for that (something I like to see discredited), but its still kind of hard to watch.

The honesty of your craven hatred and jealousy is disarming.

296 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:53:56pm

re: #286 iceweasel

Miss you loads, honey! Will send you a note. ;)

Jimmah-ski and I aren't online much now-- we're in NYC waitin' on the spousal visa. Also sightseeing since assuming the visa comes through, it will be several years before I live in NYC or the US again, and it's only Jimmah's second trip to NYC. (This is basically our honeymoon, of sorts.)

Once our living situation is sorted out we'll be here more regularly. ;)

In visa news, we just fedexed 5 lbs of documentation to our immigration lawyer. Wheee!

Next week's adventure: The British Consulate collects iceweasel's biometric data and runs it through their databases and US Homeland Security. Yes, really!

Did you finish writing something important? My only concern is that you do that. Otherwise, I wish you so many congratulations.

297 MinisterO  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:53:59pm

re: #283 Spare O'Lake

When did I say you called me a Nazi?

re: #251 Spare O'Lake

Do you think it's entirely normal for one to accuse everyone who disagrees with one's own unproven perceptions of being a Nazi, a moron, or insane?

I know, I know, you were just asking questions.

298 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:54:25pm

re: #295 Spare O'Lake

The honesty of your craven hatred and jealousy is disarming.

Huh?

299 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:55:04pm

re: #295 Spare O'Lake

The honesty of your craven hatred and jealousy is disarming.

Come on Spare, deep breaths here.

300 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:56:03pm

re: #240 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh a proper strudel is Gan Eden.

I used packaged phyllo sheets but next time, if Zedushka is a good boy and gets me something extra-special for Mother's Day, I may make my own hand-stretched dough. Then it really is to die for.

301 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:56:22pm

Perhaps Charles could implement some kind of flash game where we could blast each other instead of flaming on the board?

:)

302 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:56:22pm

re: #294 DrBoobooday

I see a lot of people here who are conservative in the classical sense. That is, without the cognitive dissonance of trying to mix a theocratic approach with a small-government philosophy.

Cognitive dissonance isn't exactly a 'conservative' malaise. It has become a fundamental part of our political discourse and exchange. It is a bipartisan malady.

303 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:57:31pm

re: #275 blueraven

I dont.

On an earlier thread I mentioned I use to live in New Orleans and me and my husband used to escape as often as possible to the LA coast; camping fishing. Lived it, loved it!

What I didnt mention is that same very young husband was killed in August of 1976 in an oil refinery explosion, along with 12 others. They were welding inside a tank during a shutdown. An unmarked spigot for a line leading into the tank was wrongly identified by a worker as air, it was actually gas and it was turned on. As soon as the welding sparks it the gas...well you get the idea.

No jihadist, no ecoterrorism. An accident, caused by negligence. Thhis is personal for me. Not only because a place I love is in peril, but to know that others have lost their lives, probably due to more negligence by another oil company, makes me relive the whole thing.

I am so sorry for your loss and I apologize if anything I said caused you pain.

304 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:58:02pm

re: #295 Spare O'Lake

Spare, please take a break.

305 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:58:14pm

re: #295 Spare O'Lake

Christ, just flounce already!

306 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:58:18pm

re: #300 Alouette

I used packaged phyllo sheets but next time, if Zedushka is a good boy and gets me something extra-special for Mother's Day, I may make my own hand-stretched dough. Then it really is to die for.

Yes, yes it is.

307 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:59:42pm

re: #182 Sigma_x

Tell that to the endless parade of elected officials who line up to kiss his ass on a weekly basis and make sure not to dispute a single one of the absurdities that spew forth from his fat, bloated mouth.

Your original post was about self-identified conservatives on this board, not about office holders or politicians. That people do kiss Limbaugh's ass does not make that the definition of conservatism, which is really what you are getting at here. It is a broad brush smear.

308 Linden Arden  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 3:59:54pm

Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and Boortz are full-time liars - which is why they hate Media Matters so much.

MM format = clip of lie from liar + independent source verifies lie = PROOF.

309 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:00:16pm

re: #286 iceweasel

Miss you loads, honey! Will send you a note. ;)

Jimmah-ski and I aren't online much now-- we're in NYC waitin' on the spousal visa. Also sightseeing since assuming the visa comes through, it will be several years before I live in NYC or the US again, and it's only Jimmah's second trip to NYC. (This is basically our honeymoon, of sorts.)

Once our living situation is sorted out we'll be here more regularly. ;)

In visa news, we just fedexed 5 lbs of documentation to our immigration lawyer. Wheee!

Next week's adventure: The British Consulate collects iceweasel's biometric data and runs it through their databases and US Homeland Security. Yes, really!

You may want to stay far away from AZ, but it looks like you are!

310 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:01:07pm

re: #302 researchok

Cognitive dissonance isn't exactly a 'conservative' malaise. It has become a fundamental part of our political discourse and exchange. It is a bipartisan malady.

i don't doubt that this is true, but how do you see cognitive dissonance in operation for those of us on the leftward side of the aisle?

311 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:01:29pm

Don't know if someone has posted this or not, but here's a possible cause for the rig explosion.

312 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:01:36pm

re: #310 engineer dog

Through false equivalence.

313 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:02:46pm

re: #301 Varek Raith

Perhaps Charles could implement some kind of flash game where we could blast each other instead of flaming on the board?

:)

lol An LGF guild and a stalker guild. I am so there.

314 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:02:53pm

re: #305 windsagio

Christ, just flounce already!


Fascinating.

315 DrBoobooday  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:03:07pm

re: #302 researchok

You're right, even using the term democracy for what we have now is basically cognitive dissonance.

But claiming to be for getting government out of people's lives and then trying to impose your religious values on them is a particular flavor of dissonance that seems most prominent among the social conservatives.

316 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:03:23pm

re: #300 Alouette

I used packaged phyllo sheets but next time, if Zedushka is a good boy and gets me something extra-special for Mother's Day, I may make my own hand-stretched dough. Then it really is to die for.

That is love.

Hand stretched phyllo is work.

317 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:03:25pm

re: #300 Alouette

I used packaged phyllo sheets but next time, if Zedushka is a good boy and gets me something extra-special for Mother's Day, I may make my own hand-stretched dough. Then it really is to die for.

Ahh, the cookie principle.

My father, a great sage, once explained to me when I complained that mom was guarding freshly baked cookies like a samurai warrior that the essence of femininity was the "cookie principle."

I asked what the was.

Dad said:

"I have a cookie, and you can't have it!"

He said when I got older, I would understand it more deeply. As usual, he was right.

318 Reginald Perrin  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:03:47pm

re: #311 reine.de.tout

Did you know that Haliburton was also the firm doing the cementing on the rig in Australia that had the blow-out?

319 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:03:56pm

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

Fascinating.

That you, Spock?
:)

320 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:04:08pm

re: #316 ~Fianna

That is love.

Hand stretched phyllo is work.

It is.

321 Jack Fate  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:04:16pm

For an anti-idiotarian blog, this place has a few commenters who walk dangerously close to the line on a regular basis and this thread is a prime example.

322 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:04:39pm

re: #310 engineer dog

i don't doubt that this is true, but how do you see cognitive dissonance in operation for those of us on the leftward side of the aisle?

Recall the silly 'BusHitler meme? or the soon to be opened 'concentration camps'? Remember Dick Durbin and the Guantanamo Gulag?Then there was some of the Code Pink rhetoric, Cindy Sheehan, etc.

The list is equally long on both sides of aisle.

Fortunately, that stupidity wasn't really prevalent here at LGF. Saner- and cooler heads, etc.

323 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:05:28pm

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

Yes, congratulations, you finally got to me >>

324 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:06:14pm

re: #323 windsagio

Yes, congratulations, you finally got to me >>

Kitty, kitty.

325 bratwurst  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:07:03pm

re: #323 windsagio

Yes, congratulations, you finally got to me >>

Image: fascinating.jpg

326 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:07:10pm

re: #315 DrBoobooday

You're right, even using the term democracy for what we have now is basically cognitive dissonance.

But claiming to be for getting government out of people's lives and then trying to impose your religious values on them is a particular flavor of dissonance that seems most prominent among the social conservatives.

and not just for religious values:

claiming to be for smaller, less intrusive and less powerful government but in favor of

1. the "patriot" act, which allows government search of private business records "without warrant or notice"

2. government imposed restrictions on awards in malpractice suits, euphemistically called 'tort reform'

3. and of course the new law in arizona

327 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:07:15pm

re: #291 researchok

And you thought Arizona was bad.

Best of luck to both of you!

Thanks! Hope you're well too.

re: #316 ~Fianna

That is love.

Hand stretched phyllo is work.

Phyllo is so incredibly difficult to work with that I can't even comprehend making it yourself. And I make some excellent spanakopita.

328 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:07:50pm

re: #321 Jack Fate

For an anti-idiotarian blog, this place has a few commenters who walk dangerously close to the line on a regular basis and this thread is a prime example.

some people here think it is OK to put pineapple on pizza...

329 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:08:38pm

re: #328 brookly red

some people here think it is OK to put pineapple on pizza...

That's just wrong.
I'll get the torches and pitchforks!

330 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:08:42pm

re: #318 Reginald Perrin

Did you know that Haliburton was also the firm doing the cementing on the rig in Australia that had the blow-out?

heh maybe it's terrorism after all.

They were also saying on the telly that the emergency shutoff values weren't functioning.

331 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:08:54pm

re: #322 researchok

The repeated idea of equality on both sides always staggers me.

First of all, there aren't two sides.

Second of all, even if there were, or when analyzing any two groups-- if you meant the GOP and the Democrats, it would be staggeringly against the odds for them to have equal amounts of anything.

332 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:08:56pm

re: #327 iceweasel

Phyllo is so incredibly difficult to work with that I can't even comprehend making it yourself. And I make some excellent spanakopita.

And with that, I am hungry...

Fortunately, Shabbos dinner awaits.

333 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:09:33pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote

And with that, I am hungry...

Fortunately, Shabbos dinner awaits.

Shabbot Shalom, my brother :)

334 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:09:37pm

re: #315 DrBoobooday

You're right, even using the term democracy for what we have now is basically cognitive dissonance.

But claiming to be for getting government out of people's lives and then trying to impose your religious values on them is a particular flavor of dissonance that seems most prominent among the social conservatives.

I couldn't agree more. That said, labeling conservatives as 'racists' is equally ugly.

This isn't a pissing contest. The system that allows for and disregards these kinds of exchanges and ideas is broken, period.

I disagree with Ludwig re some of his analogies to the Nazis, but I understand where he's coming from (he cleared that up somewhat today, earlier). I only wish he'd address more of the issues that affect the entire political spectrum. He raises some good points.

335 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:09:51pm

re: #305 windsagio

Christ, just flounce already!

Didn't you get the memo? I'm scheduled to flounce in November, 2016. Stick around, pooch.

336 Neutral President  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:11:08pm

re: #328 brookly red

some people here think it is OK to put pineapple on pizza...


"There oughta be a law!"

337 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:11:09pm

OK all, be well. I need to be out of here. I wish you all the very best.

To all Tribe member lizards, be well and have a warm, loving and spiritually refreshing Shabbos.

To everyone else, have a fabulous, happy and fun weekend! See you Sunday!

338 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:11:12pm

re: #335 Spare O'Lake

Didn't you get the memo? I'm scheduled to flounce in November, 2016. Stick around, pooch.

The Earth's gonna flounce on 12-21-2012.

339 Racer X  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:11:19pm

re: #335 Spare O'Lake

Didn't you get the memo? I'm scheduled to flounce in November, 2016. Stick around, pooch.

Um, hello? The world is going to end 12-12-2012.

340 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:11:25pm

re: #331 Obdicut

The repeated idea of equality on both sides always staggers me.

First of all, there aren't two sides.

Second of all, even if there were, or when analyzing any two groups-- if you meant the GOP and the Democrats, it would be staggeringly against the odds for them to have equal amounts of anything.

Wisdom. It's a good thing. Well said.

On the hand, I suspect you know what meant.

I'm psychic today.

341 zora  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:11:33pm

see ya lizards, time for a bonfire and bbq in the backyard with the kids and hubby.

342 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:11:46pm

re: #327 iceweasel

Phyllo is so incredibly difficult to work with that I can't even comprehend making it yourself. And I make some excellent spanakopita.

Packaged phyllo is incredibly difficult to work with. Hand-stretched phyllo is very intensive work, but is much easier to handle.

Back in the day, when I made this pastry much more frequently than I do now, there was a neighbor who always managed to "just stop by" a few minutes after I took the strudel out of the oven.

343 Racer X  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:11:55pm

re: #338 Varek Raith

7 seconds!

344 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:12:03pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote

And with that, I am hungry...

Fortunately, Shabbos dinner awaits.

What are you having?

345 DoubleBarrellBunnyAnger  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:12:19pm
some people here think it is OK to put pineapple on pizza...

Guilty!

346 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:12:21pm

re: #333 marjoriemoon

Shabbot Shalom, my brother :)

May you have many blessings this day. {{Marjorie}}

347 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:12:29pm

re: #318 Reginald Perrin

Did you know that Haliburton was also the firm doing the cementing on the rig in Australia that had the blow-out?

I think I read that in that article I linked to.
Of course, the investigation is NOT YET FINISHED, and so it may be MONTHS before it's known what event (or series of events) caused this.

348 Reginald Perrin  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:12:36pm

re: #330 marjoriemoon

heh maybe it's terrorism after all.

With Haliburton's track record it's more likely negligence and incompetence. Look how many American soldiers Haliburton injured and killed in Iraq.

349 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:12:46pm

re: #340 researchok

I suspect what you meant was you were promoting them being equal in an effort to defend one of the 'sides' >>

350 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:12:46pm

re: #339 Racer X

Um, hello? The world is going to end 12-12-2012.

At least the world will last long enough for us to see the GOP self destruct when Obama wins a second term in office....

351 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:12:50pm

re: #340 researchok

If I could attempt at what I thought you meant in the best way:

Each "side" has equal potential for crazies and insanity and overreach and all the rest. Whether or not they're currently doing it, the potential exists, and should be guarded against.

352 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:13:00pm

re: #343 Racer X

7 seconds!

I so like the 2012 thing.
Of course, I'll LMFAO if something does actually happen.
XD

353 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:13:28pm

re: #344 Alouette

What are you having?

Ahh just caught me in a Jewish Good Bye...

I'm going by a dear friends tonight.

It looks like brisket and kreplach.

354 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:13:38pm

re: #339 Racer X

Um, hello? The world is going to end 12-12-2012.

No problem, I'll flounce on the mother ship.

355 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:13:42pm

Crystal clear.

Thank you!

356 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:13:47pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote

And with that, I am hungry...

Fortunately, Shabbos dinner awaits.

Hey! I have an awesome recipe and will entrust it to you. ;)

BTW, Jimmah and I have discovered some sad points of cultural divergence: When he tries to get me to say Oi! it always sounds like Oy! when I say it.

In other news, Jimmah can say Aye and I can say ai'ight; neither of us can say the other. :(

(Americans, you try it-- when we say 'Aye' FACE IT, it sounds like 'eye'. )

357 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:13:59pm

re: #322 researchok

ya, i have been plenty annoyed at many of my fellow left blogistas from time to time

358 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:14:27pm

re: #302 researchok

Cognitive dissonance isn't exactly a 'conservative' malaise. It has become a fundamental part of our political discourse and exchange. It is a bipartisan malady.

I think DrBoobooday has identified the heart of our problem though. The current massive level of cognitive dissonance on the right is rooted in the rise of the "religious right" in the late 70s and, particularly, in the 1980 Reagan campaign's decision to cultivate this as a reliable voting bloc.
There was little more to this than the coincidence of the word "conservative" being used to describe both fundamentalist religion and traditional anti-statist politics. Combining the two was a marriage of convenience but with a hopeless degree of conflict right from the beginning. It was more than an inconsistency, it was an absolute contradiction. The religious right is by its nature better organized, and its message is better tailored to a world dominated by sound-bites and simplistic media memes. It inevitably became dominant, especially as older leaders like Barry Goldwater and Reagan himself faded from the scene.
This has led to the incredible spectacle of people condemning the government for specifying a minimum wage on the one hand, while demanding unprecedented violations of personal privacy on the other.

359 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:14:37pm

re: #354 Spare O'Lake

No problem, I'll flounce on the mother ship.

With Dennis Kucinich???

360 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:14:55pm

re: #357 engineer dog

ya, i have been plenty annoyed at many of my fellow left blogistas from time to time

Welcome to reality. Stick around here. It's a good place. Crazy sometimes, but good.

361 Racer X  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:15:18pm

re: #354 Spare O'Lake

No problem, I'll flounce on the mother ship.

Either way, its awfully nice of you to let the Flouncewishers™ know in advance, and give them something to live for.

362 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:15:41pm

re: #356 iceweasel

Hey! I have an awesome recipe and will entrust it to you. ;)

BTW, Jimmah and I have discovered some sad points of cultural divergence: When he tries to get me to say Oi! it always sounds like Oy! when I say it.

In other news, Jimmah can say Aye and I can say ai'ight; neither of us can say the other. :(

(Americans, you try it-- when we say 'Aye' FACE IT, it sounds like 'eye'. )

Back of the throat is how they do it. Stub your toe and say FOOK FOOK FOOK and it will come naturally.

Send me a mail sometime soon about things. I really miss both of you. But I mean it, the Sun will not wait for me.

363 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:15:53pm

re: #361 Racer X

Either way, its awfully nice of you to let the Flouncewishers™ know in advance, and give them something to live for.

They'll be speculating about it in, oh, about 30 seconds.

364 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:16:45pm

re: #361 Racer X

Lol make one mistake :p

Its all for the best tho', probably. My screwup let Spare regain some sense of control, and gave us respite from 5 more hours of being called 'fuckwads'.

365 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:17:03pm

re: #361 Racer X

Either way, its awfully nice of you to let the Flouncewishers™ know in advance, and give them something to live for.

It really helps DF manage the freezer space.

366 Racer X  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:17:57pm

re: #364 windsagio

Lol make one mistake :p

Its all for the best tho', probably. My screwup let Spare regain some sense of control, and gave us respite from 5 more hours of being called 'fuckwads'.

Has someone used that term on this thread?

367 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:18:16pm

re: #358 Shiplord Kirel

I think DrBoobooday has identified the heart of our problem though. The current massive level of cognitive dissonance on the right is rooted in the rise of the "religious right" in the late 70s and, particularly, in the 1980 Reagan campaign's decision to cultivate this as a reliable voting bloc.
There was little more to this than the coincidence of the word "conservative" being used to describe both fundamentalist religion and traditional anti-statist politics. Combining the two was a marriage of convenience but with a hopeless degree of conflict right from the beginning. It was more than an inconsistency, it was an absolute contradiction. The religious right is by its nature better organized, and its message is better tailored to a world dominated by sound-bites and simplistic media memes. It inevitably became dominant, especially as older leaders like Barry Goldwater and Reagan himself faded from the scene.
This has led to the incredible spectacle of people condemning the government for specifying a minimum wage on the one hand, while demanding unprecedented violations of personal privacy on the other.

Interesting, but in fact only partially true.

The meme on the left has morphed into 'Agree with me and you are a good person. Disagree and you are a bad person'. This is equally as bad as what has happened on the right.

'I meant well' does not and cannot excuse excessive ideolgies- on either side.

368 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:18:22pm

re: #362 LudwigVanQuixote

Back of the throat is how they do it. Stub your toe and say FOOK FOOK FOOK and it will come naturally.

Send me a mail sometime soon about things. I really miss both of you. But I mean it, the Sun will not wait for me.

Have a great Shabbos!

We miss you too!

PS 'fook' is more dublin for fuck. When not using feck. FYI.

love you!

369 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:18:45pm

re: #361 Racer X

Either way, its awfully nice of you to let the Flouncewishers™ know in advance, and give them something to live for.

re: #363 reine.de.tout

They'll be speculating about it in, oh, about 30 seconds.

OOPS - I thought you were talking about the flounced and banned. Sorry.

370 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:19:05pm

re: #353 LudwigVanQuixote

there is a deli here that serves delicious kreplach soup

371 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:19:20pm

re: #366 Racer X
Ask and ye shall receive:

#209

So ignore me if you think I'm crazy, fuckwad.
372 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:19:36pm

re: #368 iceweasel

Have a great Shabbos!

We miss you too!

PS 'fook' is more dublin for fuck. When not using feck. FYI.

love you!

Youtube Video

Thanks for pointing this out to me.
:)

373 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:20:30pm

re: #366 Racer X

Has someone used that term on this thread?

Number 209, "Control F" is your friend.

374 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:21:22pm

Here's what we can do for excitement.

Next time Cato the Elder is on board, everybody say something designed to piss him off.

/joking, joking, joking, I am, of course! Could be awesome, though.

375 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:21:46pm

re: #373 jamesfirecat

Heh. Check out the second definition on UrbanDictionary:

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

376 Neutral President  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:22:31pm

re: #374 reine.de.tout

Just misspell something. That should be enough.

377 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:22:50pm

re: #368 iceweasel

Hi Ice! Tell Jimmah hi..
Hope today finds you both well

378 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:22:52pm

It's twue I tells you! Deepwater Horizon was an inside job!

/

379 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:22:56pm

re: #376 ArchangelMichael

Just misspell something. That should be enough.

Or use "your" when you mean "you're" (or vice-versa).

380 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:23:24pm

re: #374 reine.de.tout

"I convinced my company to use Google Translate rather than hiring a real human translator, because what's a mis-used word or two?"

381 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:23:47pm

re: #375 Obdicut

Heh. Check out the second definition on UrbanDictionary:

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

interesting...

382 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:23:49pm

Carly Fiorina just lost the Latino vote in the California Senate race

In a grilling of an interview by Wolf Blitzer on CNN's The Situation Room, Carly Florina, running against U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer in an election battle for Boxer's California seat in The Senate, said that she understood and supports Arizona's controversial illegal immigration law.

Now the catch is Carly didn't say "I support and understand" in one sentence, she danced around the admission but then after Blitzer pressed her finally said "I understand why Arizona" passed the law and said it was because of "fear and frustration." Fear of who, Carly? What kind of fear? Fear of Latinos?

Latino's make up 30 percent of Arizona's population. For Carly Fiorina to even mention that she "understands" what Arizona did and then says they're afraid calls into question if she's afraid of Latinos.

I watched Carly squirm and wondered why she felt it was so important to carry a conservative - er, Coach Potato Conservative - agenda? Somewhere along the way Florina forgot she's a Californian. Here, we expect conservatives to be inclusive and not fearful of others because of the color of their skin.

Hey, let's be honest here. The illegal immigration debate is about Latinos and not hot Irish waitresses or Swedish Au-Pair girls with expired VISAs. My guess is Carly doesn't fear them. Stay tuned.

(Does somebody have that "Another One Bites the Dust" link handy? )

383 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:23:54pm

re: #380 Obdicut

"Quit promoting your dinosaur version of Language"

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:24:04pm

Rush Limbaugh is an opportunistic lying windbag.

/OK, not a major newsflash. But I still appreciate being able to say that here without hurting too many feelings.

385 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:24:39pm

re: #384 SanFranciscoZionist

Rush Limbaugh is an opportunistic lying windbag.

/OK, not a major newsflash. But I still appreciate being able to say that here without hurting too many feelings.

Oh, heck - nowadays you actually have most folks here agreeing with you!

386 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:24:50pm

re: #380 Obdicut

"I convinced my company to use Google Translate rather than hiring a real human translator, because what's a mis-used word or two?"

good thing Cato is not here...

387 blueraven  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:25:08pm

re: #303 Spare O'Lake

I am so sorry for your loss and I apologize if anything I said caused you pain.

Thank you Spare, I appreciate that. But your words didnt hurt me. The reason I related my story was not to blame you at all, or illicit sympathy, although I do appreciate all the kind words. All of this happened a life time ago.

Thankfully, I was very young, early 20s, and though it took a decade I met a wonderful man, re-married and have two beautiful children. I am happy!

But my point is, any kind of work in the oil business is fraught with danger. Accidental explosions happen all the time. Safety issues are overlooked to save a buck or two, and good men die.

Its just the location of this one and the knowing the terrible price that has yet to be paid.

388 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:25:37pm

re: #381 brookly red

interesting...

Fascinating...

389 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:26:50pm

re: #372 Varek Raith

[Video]Thanks for pointing this out to me.
:)

Whee! Love that! Father ted rocks. Hope you like it.

BTW, are you still asking people for how they guess your political affiliation? I'll throw down:

Socially lib (mostly)
Identifies as libertarian generally, but has issues with many if not most libertarian movements (Note to haters-- IS NOT RON PAUL SUPPORTER)
Census form sez vampire and Sith lord.

How'd I do?

390 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:27:08pm

re: #388 Spare O'Lake

Fascinating...

it makes me fell like we are being watched...

391 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:27:46pm

re: #389 iceweasel

Whee! Love that! Father ted rocks. Hope you like it.

BTW, are you still asking people for how they guess your political affiliation? I'll throw down:

Socially lib (mostly)
Identifies as libertarian generally, but has issues with many if not most libertarian movements (Note to haters-- IS NOT RON PAUL SUPPORTER)
Census form sez vampire and Sith lord.

How'd I do?

Bingo!
:)

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:28:04pm

re: #15 LoneStarSpur

Dude's gonna have a stroke when Mr. Obama is re-elected.

Ah, he'll jump for joy. He needs his audience to be afraid of and angry at 'the regime'. Bush wasn't so good for business. He didn't engender that out-of-control, 'Dude, Who Took My Country?' feeling in Rush's listeners.

393 tnguitarist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:28:05pm

It's Friday, what's everyone drinking?

394 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:28:24pm

re: #377 HoosierHoops

Hi Ice! Tell Jimmah hi..
Hope today finds you both well

HOOPS! Jimmah and I were thinking of you this afternoon--what's up?? smooch

395 palomino  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:28:42pm

This seems like Limbaugh's half-assed way of latching on to the same forces that brought us Trutherism. There's a big disaster that can be said--on some level--to be convenient for the administration, so that administration must have caused it, right?

Now he's throwing his heft in the direction of crazy conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, but without bothering to present the "evidence" they at least sputter on about.

396 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:28:49pm

re: #17 Renaissance_Man

Glenn could say tonight that the Republicans had more Senators than Democrats, and a plurality of his audience would look at two numbers and say that the smaller one was larger.

Well, technically, they wouldn't look at the numbers at all, they'd just take Glenn's word for it.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:29:50pm

re: #19 shiplord kirel

They're really running with this sabotage meme. Collected on the net today:

A normal sub, as opposed to a deep diving submersible, can't get anywhere close to a mile deep without being crushed like a beer can. It could attack the rig with torpedoes or missiles but to say the least that could not be done clandestinely. A submersible would require a mother ship very close by, certainly within sight of the rig. You might think someone would notice and ask what they were doing.

No, no, the mini-sub would just trundle on out from Venezuela...underwater the whole time.

398 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:30:00pm

re: #391 Varek Raith

Bingo!
:)

Aw yeah. iceweasel likes Varek and groks him. Mmm, mmm, mmm.

399 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:30:36pm

re: #384 SanFranciscoZionist

Rush Limbaugh is an opportunistic lying windbag.

/OK, not a major newsflash. But I still appreciate being able to say that here without hurting too many feelings.

He's more of a fuckwad #3 than a #2.

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:31:42pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

The title of today's summary email from Rush: Obama's Katrina.

He also links to American Thinker and the Washington times.

Hold on. Rush surely doesn't believe that Bush did anything wrong during Katrina, does he?

401 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:32:50pm

re: #396 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, technically, they wouldn't look at the numbers at all, they'd just take Glenn's word for it.

They would indeed. However, if you were to show them the two numbers, they would be unable to tell you which was larger.

I've seen with my own eyes people of normal intelligence unable to compare two numbers because to do so accurately would have conflicted with their beliefs. When I saw that, I realised that facts are almost entirely irrelevant to any argument - the only thing that matters is whether you can persuade someone to want to change their own beliefs. You can't convince them to change their opinions, all you can do is be persuasive enough that they change them on their own.

402 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:33:17pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

No, no, the mini-sub would just trundle on out from Venezuela...underwater the whole time.

Submarine
Warfare
Attack
Teabaggers

403 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:33:42pm

re: #394 iceweasel

HOOPS! Jimmah and I were thinking of you this afternoon--what's up?? smooch

Hi you...I watched the movie Crazy heart today...It is awesome..except the ending...Jeff doesn't get the girl in the end...That sucked...
I'm doing great...
Sorry about the spoiler..
*wink*
If you guys get a chance call me this weekend..
Be well

404 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:34:44pm

re: #327 iceweasel

Phyllo is so incredibly difficult to work with that I can't even comprehend making it yourself. And I make some excellent spanakopita.

This is really starting to tilt me towards Mediterranean food after shul tonight.

405 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:35:55pm

Mark Levin, as well as Rush, are belabouring this theme about SWAT teams being used to take over private industry, because they're Obama's secret police. Is it in fact reasonably certain that SWAT stands for Soil and Water Assessment Teams, which are a part of National Parks and Recreation? I wouldn't think the Federal government has any authority to send police SWAT teams anywhere, do they? Aren't the FBI equivalent called something else?

406 ~Fianna  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:36:37pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote

And with that, I am hungry...

Fortunately, Shabbos dinner awaits.

Gut Shabbos, my friend.

407 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:36:38pm

Governor Perry of Texas; yes, Goodhair himself; is now being pilloried as a RINO for his criticism of the Arizona immigration law. Sheesh! Being a God-fearing creationist panderer, death penalty zealot, and thorough-going corporate stooge isn't enough anymore?

I predict this process will continue until there are nine people in the Republican Party, each with their own talk-show of course.

408 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:38:26pm

re: #389 iceweasel

Whee! Love that! Father ted rocks. Hope you like it.

BTW, are you still asking people for how they guess your political affiliation? I'll throw down:

Socially lib (mostly)
Identifies as libertarian generally, but has issues with many if not most libertarian movements (Note to haters-- IS NOT RON PAUL SUPPORTER)
Census form sez vampire and Sith lord.

How'd I do?

It's funny, there's a perception of liberals that they want huge government, more government the better. It's not true. In fact, we don't want gov intruding on our private lives (sex, abortion to name 2). In that way, it's libertarian. But we do want government available in case we need it, as in housing, food, healthcare, savings. Although I wouldn't call social security savings. I'd also say you can't live on it, but sadly many seniors do, in fact, live on their SS, some less than $12K a year.

I thought for awhile I was libertarian, but I don't believe they support social programs, so I couldn't go there.

409 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:38:28pm

re: #47 Spare O'Lake

Has an inside terror attack by a radicalized jihadist employee been ruled out?
Has a terror attack of any kind been ruled out?

No, and as Rush has so kindly pointed out, an attack by the United States government, or a bunch of environmentalists in a rowboat also has not been ruled out yet. However, under the old 'horses, not zebras' rule, I think it might make more sense to speculate on some sort of mechanical or personnel failure.

BTW, anyone here read Sharon McCrumb's "Highland Laddie Gone"? There's a character in it who runs a Scottish Nationalist terror organization. They don't actually do anything, he just takes money from Americans who want to support the Old Country, and then claims responsibility for train derailments, and factory explosions and such.

410 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:39:08pm

re: #405 Renaissance_Man

Mark Levin, as well as Rush, are belabouring this theme about SWAT teams being used to take over private industry, because they're Obama's secret police. Is it in fact reasonably certain that SWAT stands for Soil and Water Assessment Teams, which are a part of National Parks and Recreation? I wouldn't think the Federal government has any authority to send police SWAT teams anywhere, do they? Aren't the FBI equivalent called something else?

Here's the explanation I heard....

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

Looks like the "SWAT Team" may just have been local LEOs in riot gear...

411 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:39:16pm

re: #405 Renaissance_Man

Mark Levin, as well as Rush, are belabouring this theme about SWAT teams being used to take over private industry, because they're Obama's secret police. Is it in fact reasonably certain that SWAT stands for Soil and Water Assessment Teams, which are a part of National Parks and Recreation? I wouldn't think the Federal government has any authority to send police SWAT teams anywhere, do they? Aren't the FBI equivalent called something else?

There's nothing official about the SWAT acronym. Many city PD's call their up-armed units something else.

412 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:39:31pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel

Governor Perry of Texas; yes, Goodhair himself; is now being pilloried as a RINO for his criticism of the Arizona immigration law. Sheesh! Being a God-fearing creationist panderer, death penalty zealot, and thorough-going corporate stooge isn't enough anymore?

I predict this process will continue until there are nine people in the Republican Party, each with their own talk-show of course.

perhaps but that is kinda misleading because the people that are leaving the republican party are moving further right.

413 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:39:54pm

re: #63 Spare O'Lake

Is it verboten to ask or to speculate on the cause?

Not at all. But silly speculation is still silly.

414 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:39:55pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel

Governor Perry of Texas; yes, Goodhair himself; is now being pilloried as a RINO for his criticism of the Arizona immigration law. Sheesh! Being a God-fearing creationist panderer, death penalty zealot, and thorough-going corporate stooge isn't enough anymore?

I predict this process will continue until there are nine people in the Republican Party, each with their own talk-show of course.

You forgot Secessionist....

415 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:39:56pm

re: #402 Gus 802

Submarine
Warfare
Attack
Teabaggers

Special
Warfare
Acorn
Terminators

416 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:40:01pm

re: #405 Renaissance_Man

Mark Levin, as well as Rush, are belabouring this theme about SWAT teams being used to take over private industry, because they're Obama's secret police. Is it in fact reasonably certain that SWAT stands for Soil and Water Assessment Teams, which are a part of National Parks and Recreation? I wouldn't think the Federal government has any authority to send police SWAT teams anywhere, do they? Aren't the FBI equivalent called something else?

Seeing as how this oil has now entered Louisiana's wetlands, some of which are state and/or federal wildlife refuges, I would think it's a very good bet that the SWAT teams mentioned are indeed the Soil & Water Assessment Teams.

417 Racer X  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:40:25pm

re: #412 brookly red

perhaps but that is kinda misleading because the people that are leaving the republican party are moving further right.

Cool. Keep on moving.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:41:07pm

re: #66 astronmr20


The Obama administration has NOT earned the moniker of "regime." I just think Rush is pointing out the ridiculousness of the Bush admin earning the same moniker, even in the mainstream press. It had become standard language, and even seeped into commercial broadcast media.

This, me lad, is where I think you're wrong. I don't think Rush is cleverly pointing out the ridiculousness of anything, he's just piling scorn and lies on the people he doesn't like. As always, throughout his career.

419 Girth  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:41:20pm

re: #339 Racer X

Um, hello? The world is going to end 12-12-2012.

Sounds about right...that will be my dad's 65th birthday.

420 political lunatic  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:41:22pm

After this, the idiots who constantly keep shouting "DRILL BABY DRILL!11!11!!one!111!!!1"either need to help clean up and turn into people who care about their planet or STFU and go away. Of course, these fools would rather blame some nonexistent vast left wing environazi conspiracy to get off oil instead of admitting they're wrong. *shakes head*

421 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:41:29pm

re: #408 marjoriemoon

It's funny, there's a perception of liberals that they want huge government, more government the better. It's not true. In fact, we don't want gov intruding on our private lives (sex, abortion to name 2). In that way, it's libertarian. But we do want government available in case we need it, as in housing, food, healthcare, savings. Although I wouldn't call social security savings. I'd also say you can't live on it, but sadly many seniors do, in fact, live on their SS, some less than $12K a year.

I thought for awhile I was libertarian, but I don't believe they support social programs, so I couldn't go there.

I read an opinion/analysis piece recently that I thought was pretty insightful-- it pointed out the gigantic gov't spending and expansion over the last 15 years or so. It made the case that neither liberals or conservatives want smaller government, despite what the parties might say-- the difference is all in where the government spends and expands.

422 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:42:10pm

re: #415 Shiplord Kirel

Socialists
Wreaking
Anarchist
Terror

423 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:42:12pm

re: #327 iceweasel

Phyllo is so incredibly difficult to work with that I can't even comprehend making it yourself. And I make some excellent spanakopita.

Recipe?
I've been collecting spanakopita recipes lately.

424 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:42:28pm

re: #393 tnguitarist

It's Friday, what's everyone drinking?

Grolsh!

425 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:43:26pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel

Governor Perry of Texas; yes, Goodhair himself; is now being pilloried as a RINO for his criticism of the Arizona immigration law. Sheesh! Being a God-fearing creationist panderer, death penalty zealot, and thorough-going corporate stooge isn't enough anymore?

I predict this process will continue until there are nine people in the Republican Party, each with their own talk-show of course.

Maybe it means Texans will have to vote in another governor before they secede. One who'll properly enforce the borders of their new republic.

426 Neutral President  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:44:08pm

re: #422 Obdicut

Socialists
Wreaking
Anarchist
Terror

Socons
With
Asinine
Theories

427 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:44:18pm

re: #414 jamesfirecat

You forgot Secessionist...

Oh yeah, I overlooked that one. As a history buff, it is just hard for me to wrap my mind around the idea of Republican secessionists.

428 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:44:23pm

re: #422 Obdicut

Socialists
Wreaking
Anarchist
Terror

Sounds like my daughter's boyfriend.

429 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:44:50pm

re: #426 ArchangelMichael

Something
Wicked
Awful
That's for sure

430 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:44:54pm

re: #426 ArchangelMichael

Socons
With
Asinine
Theories

And that one sounds like me.

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:45:10pm

re: #114 sandbox

I favor drilling in ANWAR, but not off our coasts.

Because when something blows up in ANWAR, it won't sink?

432 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:45:17pm

re: #428 reine.de.tout

I just ordered my copy of "Reality Bites"!

433 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:45:27pm

re: #429 Obdicut

Something
Wicked
Awful
That's for sure

Best one yet!
You win!

434 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:46:08pm

re: #423 webevintage

Recipe?
I've been collecting spanakopita recipes lately.

Oh, I've got one for a Spanokopita pie. Let me find it...

435 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:46:13pm

re: #432 Alouette

I just ordered my copy of "Reality Bites"!

Great!
I hope you like it.
The cover art (and Cato's back-cover poem) as well as the inside art is worth the price all by itself, IMO.

And the recipes look great.

436 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:46:22pm

re: #415 Shiplord Kirel

Special
Warfare
Acorn
Terminators

Surreal
Wingnuts
Advancing
Trutherism

437 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:47:02pm

re: #410 jamesfirecat

Here's the explanation I heard...

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

Looks like the "SWAT Team" may just have been local LEOs in riot gear...

No, the Levin thing is him making a huge deal out of Obama sending SWAT teams to the oil disaster, and stating that it is part of a plot to take over the oil industry with the government's secret police. I wish I was kidding, but that's exactly what he said.

Of course, if SWAT means Soil and Water Assessment Team, then it becomes hilariously funny, and terribly sad that the entire Conservative cult will never hear why it's funny.

438 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:47:06pm

re: #423 webevintage

Recipe?
I've been collecting spanakopita recipes lately.

Seriously?

Ok, if you like. Recipe from a Spartan yiayia cooking in the US....

439 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:48:00pm

re: #428 reine.de.tout

Sounds like my daughter's boyfriend.

What? Surely not?

re: #430 reine.de.tout

And that one sounds like me.

What? Surely not!

440 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:48:06pm

re: #436 Gus 802

Señor
Wences
Attack
VenTriloquest.

Though I apparently already won, I need to increase the spread if I'm going to pay my bookie.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:48:17pm

re: #157 Sigma_x

I find it interesting that there's a pretty fair share of conservatives on this board, and yet no one who will defend Limbaugh, who is the "defacto leader" and/or standard bearer for the conservative movement in this country.

Crickets.

Pretty fair share of rational conservatives who are sick of Limbaugh.

Usually someone pops up on one of these threads to say that he was just making a point about something, they can't say what. Not more than one or two, though.

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:50:21pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

That's because LGF has become a reservation for "Reasonable Republicans" these once proud beasts have been all but rendered extinct due to the vile Wingitis parasite which ceases control of the hosts nervous system and makes them extremely violent and illogical.

We can only hope that thanks to Charles we'll maintain a large enough breeding population in this quarenteened zone that the magnificent creatures won't go existinct.


Unfortunately, the only potential breeding pair to come out of the LGF reserve so far was a pair of liberals, but we keep trying.

/Someone! Ask someone out!

443 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:50:39pm

Spin
Whatever
Attracts
The stupid

444 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:50:52pm

re: #421 iceweasel

I read an opinion/analysis piece recently that I thought was pretty insightful-- it pointed out the gigantic gov't spending and expansion over the last 15 years or so. It made the case that neither liberals or conservatives want smaller government, despite what the parties might say-- the difference is all in where the government spends and expands.

Vote buying.

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:52:00pm

re: #173 MinisterO

The liberal media won't even acknowledge the existence of the maritime branch of the ACORN militia. That's why I choose Fox News.

I'm sorry, but when you say 'maritime branch of the Acorn militia', all I can see is two young black women wearing colorful Guatemalan tie-on hats, sitting in a rowboat and consulting a map.

446 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:52:34pm

re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist

Hi there.

447 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:52:50pm

re: #421 iceweasel

I read an opinion/analysis piece recently that I thought was pretty insightful-- it pointed out the gigantic gov't spending and expansion over the last 15 years or so. It made the case that neither liberals or conservatives want smaller government, despite what the parties might say-- the difference is all in where the government spends and expands.

I think I would have said the exact opposite! That most people don't want excessive government. Indeed, it does depend on the programs, but I think there's a lack of control or maybe it's a connection between many elected officials and their constituents.

After my most awesome experiences with my Congresswoman, I called her again when our lights were constantly going out. I'm on a grid with only 4 other homes and all 5 of us would go out intermittently when there were no emergencies. However, we found out the power company is a state issue meaning you have to go to your senator. I did and he never responded. Philip Brutus. I sent 3 letters and 2 phone calls, nothing happened. Then Katrina came and then Wilma and there wasn't a light pole standing! Which oddly worked out because we got new poles after that.

The point being, some people are in Congress that shouldn't be there.

448 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:53:17pm

re: #428 reine.de.tout

Sounds like my daughter's boyfriend.

she has good taste :-)

449 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:53:47pm

re: #444 researchok

Vote buying.

I don't know about that. To some extent it's about votebuying and keeping constituencies happy, but it also does reflect core party principles as well (to some extent).
Which may well work out to be the same thing, I admit...

450 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:53:50pm

Recipe sharers?
You are awesome!

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:53:58pm

re: #183 Spare O'Lake

I will answer you with only one question in response.
1. Is there anyone, even as we sit here at our keyboards, who does NOT wonder whether it was a terrorist attack?

Yes. I'm 99.99 percent sure that it was either a mechanical failure, or a human failure, or both. Is it possible it was something else? I suppose, but it's been over a week, and none of the industry speculation seems to be turning to sabotage of any kind.

So I'm not wondering about terrorists.

452 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:54:33pm

re: #187 Sigma_x

And, anyway, I thought you weren't supposed to disagree with the President while the country was at war. I thought it "emboldened out enemies."

Wasn't that what we were fed for 8 years?

"Dad, you always taught me to question authority."

"I didn't mean me! I meant Nixon!"

453 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:55:25pm

I haven't listened to what Limbaugh said, but from reading between the lines, is there any substantive difference with what Pat Robertson says all the time?

Oil spills, earthquakes, volcanoes; they all come from pressure in the earth, and that is where god lives; right?

454 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:55:36pm

Safety Alert on the Deepwater Horizon Explosion and Fire Resulting in Multiple Fatalities and Release of Oil

On April 20, 2010, a loss of well control occurred and resulted in an explosion and fire on the Mobile Offshore Drilling Unit Deepwater Horizon. Eleven lives were lost in this incident and the MODU subsequently sank. As of the date of this safety alert the well has not been secured, and the resulting release of oil has been declared a spill of national significance with oil threatening sensitive coastlines and resources in the Gulf of Mexico.

At the time of the accident, the Deepwater Horizon was operating 52 miles from shore in 4,992 feet of water with a subsea BOP stack. After the Deepwater Horizon sank, ROV’s confirmed that the riser was bent over and still attached to the BOP and that oil is flowing from leaks in the riser above the BOP. Numerous attempts to actuate the BOP have failed. Department of Interior - Minerals Management Service Seal
United States Coast Guard Seal 1790 (also linked to Safety Alerts Lessons by Office of Investigations and Analysis)

While the exact causes of this event are now under investigation, the tragic nature of this accident compels operators and drilling contractors to inspect their drilling equipment and review their procedures to ensure the safety of personnel and protection of the environment.

Therefore, MMS and the USCG issue the following safety recommendations to operators and drilling contractors...

455 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:56:02pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

exactly.

heaven forfend the cause could be cost cutting on behalf of the firm for not adding remote shut offs................

it has to be te'rists..........

456 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:56:05pm

re: #449 iceweasel

I don't know about that. To some extent it's about votebuying and keeping constituencies happy, but it also does reflect core party principles as well (to some extent).
Which may well work out to be the same thing, I admit...

It seems to me that the notion of pandering is now about opening the checkbook as much as it is about claiming shared ideas.

457 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:56:29pm

re: #453 Naso Tang

I haven't listened to what Limbaugh said, but from reading between the lines, is there any substantive difference with what Pat Robertson says all the time?

Oil spills, earthquakes, volcanoes; they all come from pressure in the earth, and that is where god lives; right?

/that would depend on your definition of God...

458 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:57:03pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. I'm 99.99 percent sure that it was either a mechanical failure, or a human failure, or both. Is it possible it was something else? I suppose, but it's been over a week, and none of the industry speculation seems to be turning to sabotage of any kind.

So I'm not wondering about terrorists.

I suspect there are a whole lot of terrorists who wish they had pulled it off.

459 Reginald Perrin  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:57:30pm

Silly
Wingnut
Attempted
Truthiness

460 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:57:35pm

Spoiled
Waters
Are
Terrible

461 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:57:42pm

In other news, now in my game I'm breeding my dogs to be giant and fat.

462 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:58:46pm

limbaugh =

Saggy
Wonk
Acts
Treasonably

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:58:53pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

Curious. How would you guys/gals classify me politically based on my comments?

You appear socially liberal, fairly nonpartisan except for your distaste for the Jedi, and have moderate-to-conservative fiscal and foreign policy leanings.

That's my take.

464 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 4:59:31pm

re: #457 brookly red

/that would depend on your definition of God...

Obviously I'm referencing what appears to the Robertson/Limbaugh definition.

I'm well aware that many others don't share that.

465 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:00:10pm

re: #423 webevintage

Recipe?
I've been collecting spanakopita recipes lately.

OK, I called it a pie, but it is made in a deep dish round glass casserole.
Spanakopita Pie
1 med onion, minced
2 Tbsp butter
1 pound fresh spinach, chopped
6-8 oz colby cheddar, or colby/ jack cheese, shredded
3 eggs lightly beaten
1/4 cup fresh bread crumbs
frozen phyllo dough
4-6 Tbsp melted butter
Thaw phyllo dough in fridge. Take out of package and cover roll of dough with wrung out, wet, cloth towel. Always keep covered! Preheat oven to 425 degrees. Saute onion in butter until brown. Add spinach and saute until soft. Put cooked onion and spinach into a mixing bowl. Add feta, shredded cheese, eggs, salt and pepper to taste, and bread crumbs.
Brush bottom of baking dish with butter. Place 2-3 layers of phyllo dough on the bottom. Brush phyllo with melted butter. Layer on medium level of filling mixture. Cover with another layer of phyllo dough. Brush with melted butter. Continue layering until filling mixture is used up.
Back in oven 30-45 minutes, until top layer of phyllo dough is nicely browned.
Enjoy!

466 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:00:15pm

re: #258 webevintage

all us libs sleep in...

I go to work, and then catch up on the morning arguments while I'm drinking coffee and grading papers.

467 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:00:31pm

re: #464 Naso Tang

Obviously I'm referencing what appears to the Robertson/Limbaugh definition.

I'm well aware that many others don't share that.

appears to be? OK whatever.

468 Stanghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:01:25pm

re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist

"Dad, you always taught me to question authority."

"I didn't mean me! I meant Nixon!"

LOL

469 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:01:25pm

re: #466 SanFranciscoZionist

I go to work, and then catch up on the morning arguments while I'm drinking coffee and grading papers.

Hope you don't have a Glenn or Rush in your class.

470 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:04:31pm

re: #10 Locker

I'm repeating myself but it's the same subject so hey...

I'm going to use a wonderful South Park quote to demonstrate how I feel about Rush. Please note I've replaced "John Edward" with Rush Limbaugh...

Rush Limbaugh for Biggest Douche in the Universe!

/Sorry, I just got here.

471 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:05:55pm

Sure
Wasn't
Another
Terrorist

472 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:06:43pm

Dog demands--BBL.

473 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:06:45pm

re: #447 marjoriemoon

I think I would have said the exact opposite! That most people don't want excessive government. Indeed, it does depend on the programs, but I think there's a lack of control or maybe it's a connection between many elected officials and their constituents.

No, the point is both parties claim to want to cut costs-- they differ about what gets cut. No one campaigns on 'hey, let's spend more!' --Dems might campaign on expanding social programs, and Repubs campaign on cutting taxes ( for some).
Neither claims they'll raise or keep taxes. And if we look at the spending records (*cough*) well, administrations that claimed they would be fiscally conservative wind up spending a surplus-- let's say.

IAfter my most awesome experiences with my Congresswoman, I called her again when our lights were constantly going out. I'm on a grid with only 4 other homes and all 5 of us would go out intermittently when there were no emergencies. However, we found out the power company is a state issue meaning you have to go to your senator. I did and he never responded. Philip Brutus. I sent 3 letters and 2 phone calls, nothing happened. Then Katrina came and then Wilma and there wasn't a light pole standing! Which oddly worked out because we got new poles after that.

How awful! So sorry!

The point being, some people are in Congress that shouldn't be there.

Well, yeah. no doubt!

474 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:07:05pm

I'm off... stay scaly lizards!

475 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:07:17pm

Spanish
Wines
Are
Tasty

BBL

476 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:07:41pm

@#$(*&$(*�$ unrecoverable crash.

I think I wanna cry

477 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:07:50pm

re: #448 wozzablog

she has good taste :-)

He's a good kid.

478 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:08:03pm

re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist

You appear socially liberal, fairly nonpartisan except for your distaste for the Jedi, and have moderate-to-conservative fiscal and foreign policy leanings.

That's my take.

:)

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:08:17pm

re: #446 Spare O'Lake

re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist

Hi there.

Hi!

480 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:08:20pm

re: #450 webevintage

Recipe sharers?
You are awesome!

Yeah.
Whenever I see one I grab it.
just in case. there is a 3rd volume

481 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:08:50pm

re: #476 windsagio

@#$(*&$(*&#$ unrecoverable crash.

I think I wanna cry

What kind of crash? Economic? Computer?

482 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:09:05pm

Our friends at Rantburg have slapped down a misleading "SWAT" post.

This story was posted by an anonymous element and is based on a misleading headline.

SWAT does not refer to the police Special Weapons and Tactics teams, but rather an inspection team of some sort.

Warning to the poster: If you post such a misleading story again, I will have you banned.

Story edited to reflect a better term

483 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:09:14pm

re: #481 Varek Raith

Computer >> (well game)

I'm in my own little world today ;)

484 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:09:17pm

re: #481 Varek Raith

What kind of crash? Economic? Computer?

Meth?

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:09:29pm

re: #458 researchok

I suspect there are a whole lot of terrorists who wish they had pulled it off.

Dunno--it's a lot of work for something that doesn't have a lot of 'fear' factor to it.

486 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:09:29pm

re: #484 brookly red

Dude I wish!

487 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:09:35pm

re: #465 prairiefire


6-8 oz colby cheddar, or colby/ jack cheese, shredded

No! NOOOOOO! FETA! Why no feta?!

488 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:10:43pm

re: #478 Varek Raith

:)

Am I close?

489 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:10:56pm

re: #488 SanFranciscoZionist

Am I close?

Spot on.

490 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:11:35pm

re: #462 wozzablog

limbaugh =

Saggy
Wonkanker
Acts
Treasonably

Jimmah did this, says "Sorted".

491 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:11:37pm

re: #473 iceweasel

Hello, ice. How's the Big Apple these days?

492 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:11:41pm

re: #487 iceweasel

No! NOOO! FETA! Why no feta?!

forgot the ingredient, I think. This is in the instructions:

Add feta, shredded cheese, eggs, salt and pepper to taste, and bread crumbs.
493 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:12:10pm

re: #490 iceweasel

Jimmah did this, says "Sorted".

LMAO!

494 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:12:24pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, how harsh is calling something 'Treif'?

That's one of the Yiddish words I never got a hang of.

495 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:12:34pm

Hilarity from AllahPundit....

....our liberal betters who blamed George Bush for every misfortune to befall the world for eight years are now on the lookout for crazed wingnuts attempting to blame this somehow on Obama. I won’t take the bait, but do read lefty Michael Roston’s post on how the federal agency charged with policing oil producers has been preoccupied lately with … green energy.

Green energy caused the oil disaster! Genius!

496 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:13:31pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno--it's a lot of work for something that doesn't have a lot of 'fear' factor to it.

Fear no, disruption yes.

Imagine a simple attack at a mall with threats of more. Over 30% of our economy is retail based.

497 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:13:33pm

re: #495 Killgore Trout

Hilarity from AllahPundit...

Green energy caused the oil disaster! Genius!

Lol.
"I'm not gonna blame Obama, but, it's Obama's fault."

498 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:13:42pm

re: #495 Killgore Trout

Hilarity from AllahPundit...

Green energy caused the oil disaster! Genius!

Allahpundit. Super genius!

/

499 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:13:53pm

re: #496 researchok

Good lord, are we back to this?

500 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:14:19pm

re: #494 Obdicut

Hey, how harsh is calling something 'Treif'?

That's one of the Yiddish words I never got a hang of.

Started to answer this and realised it would be NSFW.

Don't!

501 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:14:42pm

Two quakes in Bering sea

Two quakes reported in the Bering Sea
[Link: news.blogs.cnn.com...]

502 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:14:47pm

re: #465 prairiefire

re: #487 iceweasel

No! NOOO! FETA! Why no feta?!

So sorry, yes there is feta:
1/2 pound chopped up feta cheese
Add feta to filling mix

The other colby/jack cheese adds to the creaminess when baking.

503 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:14:57pm

btw there is a survivor of the oil rig explosion on the radio giving his take... he seems think that there was a backup of gases from the well...

504 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:15:02pm

re: #473 iceweasel

No, the point is both parties claim to want to cut costs-- they differ about what gets cut. No one campaigns on 'hey, let's spend more!' --Dems might campaign on expanding social programs, and Repubs campaign on cutting taxes ( for some). Neither claims they'll raise or keep taxes. And if we look at the spending records (*cough*) well, administrations that claimed they would be fiscally conservative wind up spending a surplus-- let's say.

Indeed. I guess my perception is that even us, bloggers, who pay attention to government, don't know what actually goes on. How much they spend and on what. Some work harder for their citizens and others work harder for themselves. The average citizen is even less informed.

505 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:15:33pm

re: #492 reine.de.tout

You are correct, la Reine.

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:15:45pm

re: #494 Obdicut

Hey, how harsh is calling something 'Treif'?

That's one of the Yiddish words I never got a hang of.

It can mean just not fit to eat or use ritually in a sort of neutral way. Applied to a person or an action it's harsher.

WHat's the context?

507 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:15:59pm

Let us not forget that lefties are idiots:
BP Oil Platform Spill Disaster is CHENEY'S Fault
(Now the top rated diary on DKOS)

508 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:16:04pm

Speaking of Goodhair Perry

Palin and Perry, together again.

Former GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin shared the spotlight Thursday with Republican Gov. Rick Perry at a private fundraiser for Heroic Media, a nonprofit organization that advertises alternatives to abortion and hoped to raise $500,000 from the event.

Palin and Perry both took sharp aim at the Obama administration over abortion, with Palin calling him “the most pro-abortion president to ever occupy the White House.”

She praised Texas and its record, saying it has “so many prolife pro-family legislators” and “my friend Rick Perry.”

“You're not afraid to cling to your guns and your religion,” she told the crowd.

Perry blasted Obama's action last year to overturn the “Mexico City Policy,” which prevented U.S. funds from going to international family planning groups that do abortion referrals.

We'll see if today's avalanche of RINO tar sticks to him. His Democratic opponent is bald, so he is a shoe-in for re-election.

509 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:16:32pm

re: #490 iceweasel

Jimmah did this, says "Sorted".

i almost went there with it myself.

almost.

510 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:16:36pm

re: #501 Thanos

Two quakes in Bering sea

Two quakes reported in the Bering Sea
[Link: news.blogs.cnn.com...]

Ought to make for an interesting episode of 'Deadliest Catch'.

511 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:16:39pm

re: #496 researchok

Fear no, disruption yes.

Imagine a simple attack at a mall with threats of more. Over 30% of our economy is retail based.

A mall attack would scare the screaming bejaysus out of millions.

512 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:16:58pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget that lefties are idiots:
BP Oil Platform Spill Disaster is CHENEY'S Fault
(Now the top rated diary on DKOS)

Lol.
I blame Zod.

513 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:17:56pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget that lefties are idiots:
BP Oil Platform Spill Disaster is CHENEY'S Fault
(Now the top rated diary on DKOS)

The Kos can still produce Bad Craziness at times. This in one of them. Cheney Derangement Syndrome in full bloom.

514 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:17:58pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

Someone was calling a certain procedure 'treif'. As in, "That method of file archiving is treif; use this one instead."

515 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:18:20pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget that lefties are idiots:
BP Oil Platform Spill Disaster is CHENEY'S Fault
(Now the top rated diary on DKOS)

Good grief!
It was an accident.
No one would have wished this on those people.

516 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:18:24pm

re: #499 windsagio

Good lord, are we back to this?

Not at all. I just pointed out that disruption of what we take for granted is terror in and of itself.

What happened in the Gulf was not terror.

517 Henchman 25  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:18:26pm

re: #512 Varek Raith

Lol.
I blame Zod.

Clearly Lex Luthor was behind this!

518 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:18:38pm

re: #491 Dark_Falcon

Hello, ice. How's the Big Apple these days?

Hey DF! How goes it? Hope the job hunt has been going well-- Jimmah says:

[something I can't transcribe; my Scottish Babel Fish is on the fritz]

519 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:18:39pm

re: #492 reine.de.tout

Bonjour, la Reine. I think that President Obama has ordered inspections of all currently operating oil rigs. Can't find a link at the moment.
Are there any anonymous whistle blower type systems in place for oil rig workers to use?

520 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:18:57pm

re: #515 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
It was an accident.
No one would have wished this on those people.

Seriously.
It was, most likely, a blowout.

521 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:19:35pm

re: #513 Dark_Falcon

The Kos can still produce Bad Craziness at times. This in one of them. Cheney Derangement Syndrome in full bloom.

It is also very hypocritical of them to complain about the wingnuts. Dkos was just as bad 2 years ago as the average wingnut is today.

522 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:20:04pm

re: #511 SanFranciscoZionist

A mall attack would scare the screaming bejaysus out of millions.

IMO, fear is the ultimate terror.

523 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:20:40pm

A Friday evening ethical dilemma, because I'm curious and like ethical dilemmas. The following story is mostly true, but feel free to consider it apocryphal.

A local homeless man has been brought into the emergency room several times the past year, at least once a month, with massive GI bleeding. Each time he's brought in, he needs six to eight units of blood to stabilise him, which is a heck of a lot, and blood, as you know, is always short. He is bleeding because of his alcoholism, but the bleeding could be fixed by a relatively simple and safe operation, no more dangerous than removing an appendix. He would then have no more bleeding issues, and no longer be brought in and need massive reperfusion.

However, when the man recovers, he always refuses the operation, and discharges himself as soon as possible. He has no family that can help persuade him or take charge of his medical decisions, and the hospital psychiatrists declare him competent. He also will not be persuaded to accept the operation, no matter who tries. So he returns to the street, only to return within a month needing another six to eight units of blood.

Now what?

524 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:20:42pm

re: #522 researchok

That's a hell of a sentence >

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:20:47pm

re: #495 Killgore Trout

Hilarity from AllahPundit...
Green energy caused the oil disaster! Genius!

Our liberal betters--yeah, screw you too thank you very much, AP.

526 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:20:55pm

re: #520 Varek Raith

Hi, I have read your political compass on your avatar. I think you are a proud libertarian.

527 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:21:56pm

re: #503 brookly red

btw there is a survivor of the oil rig explosion on the radio giving his take... he seems think that there was a backup of gases from the well...

My God, what kind of shape is he in? I guess if he's giving that info, he's conscious and can speak--and he remembers the blast.

528 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:22:34pm

re: #523 Renaissance_Man

A Friday evening ethical dilemma, because I'm curious and like ethical dilemmas. The following story is mostly true, but feel free to consider it apocryphal.

A local homeless man has been brought into the emergency room several times the past year, at least once a month, with massive GI bleeding. Each time he's brought in, he needs six to eight units of blood to stabilise him, which is a heck of a lot, and blood, as you know, is always short. He is bleeding because of his alcoholism, but the bleeding could be fixed by a relatively simple and safe operation, no more dangerous than removing an appendix. He would then have no more bleeding issues, and no longer be brought in and need massive reperfusion.

However, when the man recovers, he always refuses the operation, and discharges himself as soon as possible. He has no family that can help persuade him or take charge of his medical decisions, and the hospital psychiatrists declare him competent. He also will not be persuaded to accept the operation, no matter who tries. So he returns to the street, only to return within a month needing another six to eight units of blood.

Now what?

/what is this a death panel or something?

529 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:22:40pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget that lefties are idiots:
BP Oil Platform Spill Disaster is CHENEY'S Fault
(Now the top rated diary on DKOS)

Shoot, CHENEY is part of the maritime ACORN militia?

530 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:23:22pm

re: #529 SanFranciscoZionist

Shoot, CHENEY is part of the maritime ACORN militia?

XD

531 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:24:04pm

re: #524 windsagio

That's a hell of a sentence >

I read an interesting paper a while ago.

What would happen if we faced a binary chem/bio attack? That is, a combination of both chem/bio at once. Bio response would be to keep people quarantined. Chem attack calls for distance from the attack.

Chaos.

That's a scary scenario.

532 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:24:06pm

re: #1 Ojoe

He is a big oil gas supply himself.

FTFY ;-P

533 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:24:09pm

re: #519 prairiefire

Bonjour, la Reine. I think that President Obama has ordered inspections of all currently operating oil rigs. Can't find a link at the moment.
Are there any anonymous whistle blower type systems in place for oil rig workers to use?

I don't know if he's ordered inspections, but it would probably not be a bad idea. The last I saw, a bit upthread, was MMS issued a recommendation that rigs do some checking and inspecting of equipment to make sure it's in proper working order. The blow-out preventers on this rig for some reason are not working, and they should be.

Whistle-blowers systems - I don't know.

Rigs and the contractors who work them send reports in at least once a day to their HQ's. There will be information in those reports that will help sort out what happened. Plus, there are just some things that are more likely to cause these problems than others, so they will be looking at those processes. What's curious is that there should have been sufficient warnings that something was wrong, from any number of places. I'm waiting to see what the investigative reports say about that.
They'll get to the bottom of it. It's in everybody's best interest, because no one wants this to happen again - no one wants that loss of life, plus the rig itself - cost to replace the rig is estimated to be $700 million. That's a lot of money. No one wants to lose that sort of equipment.

534 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:24:29pm

re: #527 SanFranciscoZionist

My God, what kind of shape is he in? I guess if he's giving that info, he's conscious and can speak--and he remembers the blast.

he is fine (physically) as most of them are... except for those directly in the blast area.

535 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:24:47pm

re: #518 iceweasel

Hey DF! How goes it? Hope the job hunt has been going well-- Jimmah says:

[something I can't transcribe; my Scottish Babel Fish is on the fritz]

Last week went very well, and I'm quite hopeful still about two of the interviews. This week had four interviews, with only one of the jobs having real mutual interest. I'm trying to see if that job would be a good fit, but I've got some interviews already lined up for next week that I'm excited about.

536 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:24:50pm

re: #514 Obdicut

Someone was calling a certain procedure 'treif'. As in, "That method of file archiving is treif; use this one instead."

That to me would just mean 'not allowed' or 'inappropriate'. The dirct opposite of 'this is the kosher method'.

537 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:25:31pm

re: #515 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
It was an accident.
No one would have wished this on those people.

An accident, no doubt. But this appears to be a legitimate issue. These 'acoustic' cut offs are already used in Norway and Brazil, and this accident will clearly give support to those who would like to see them used for future US off shore deep water drilling. (Assuming there is any)

538 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:25:46pm

blame -

for the initial explosion? - as yet unknown.

for the massive slick - which ever regulator decided the company didn't absolutely have to include remote shutoffs and sonic shutdowns at a cost of $500,000 on a $700,000,000 oil rig.

539 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:26:30pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget that lefties are idiots:
BP Oil Platform Spill Disaster is CHENEY'S Fault
(Now the top rated diary on DKOS)

Yeah, this is pretty stupid:

UPDATE 1: From followyourbliss in the comments: the oil platform in question was run by Halliburton, another factor that implicates Cheney.

Only two other countries require "acoustic switches": Brazil and Norway. I don't think that the correct name for the device since I'm not finding much when Googling.

540 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:26:46pm

re: #480 reine.de.tout

Yeah.
Whenever I see one I grab it.
just in case. there is a 3rd volume

I'm gonna buy the 2nd vol as soon as a sell something, the debit card account is too low at the moment.

541 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:26:57pm

re: #523 Renaissance_Man

A Friday evening ethical dilemma, because I'm curious and like ethical dilemmas. The following story is mostly true, but feel free to consider it apocryphal.

A local homeless man has been brought into the emergency room several times the past year, at least once a month, with massive GI bleeding. Each time he's brought in, he needs six to eight units of blood to stabilise him, which is a heck of a lot, and blood, as you know, is always short. He is bleeding because of his alcoholism, but the bleeding could be fixed by a relatively simple and safe operation, no more dangerous than removing an appendix. He would then have no more bleeding issues, and no longer be brought in and need massive reperfusion.

However, when the man recovers, he always refuses the operation, and discharges himself as soon as possible. He has no family that can help persuade him or take charge of his medical decisions, and the hospital psychiatrists declare him competent. He also will not be persuaded to accept the operation, no matter who tries. So he returns to the street, only to return within a month needing another six to eight units of blood.

Now what?

Honestly, next time, if I could, I'd give him an ultimatum: either agree to the surgery or next time you'll be allowed to bleed out. Tell him he's freeloading and it must end.

542 brookly red  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:27:20pm

re: #537 Bagua

An accident, no doubt. But this appears to be a legitimate issue. These 'acoustic' cut offs are already used in Norway and Brazil, and this accident will clearly give support to those who would like to see them used for future US off shore deep water drilling. (Assuming there is any)

the problem is that some times thing don't work right after an explosion...

543 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:27:30pm

re: #523 Renaissance_Man

A Friday evening ethical dilemma, because I'm curious and like ethical dilemmas. The following story is mostly true, but feel free to consider it apocryphal.

A local homeless man has been brought into the emergency room several times the past year, at least once a month, with massive GI bleeding. Each time he's brought in, he needs six to eight units of blood to stabilise him, which is a heck of a lot, and blood, as you know, is always short. He is bleeding because of his alcoholism, but the bleeding could be fixed by a relatively simple and safe operation, no more dangerous than removing an appendix. He would then have no more bleeding issues, and no longer be brought in and need massive reperfusion.

However, when the man recovers, he always refuses the operation, and discharges himself as soon as possible. He has no family that can help persuade him or take charge of his medical decisions, and the hospital psychiatrists declare him competent. He also will not be persuaded to accept the operation, no matter who tries. So he returns to the street, only to return within a month needing another six to eight units of blood.

Now what?

I'm not sure how much choice anyone has. Are the hospital shrinks able to figure out why he doesn't want the more permanent treatment?

544 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:28:03pm

re: #537 Bagua

An accident, no doubt. But this appears to be a legitimate issue. These 'acoustic' cut offs are already used in Norway and Brazil, and this accident will clearly give support to those who would like to see them used for future US off shore deep water drilling. (Assuming there is any)


Well, I hope there is future offshore deep water drilling.
It's how the Roi earns a living.

But I sure want to feel like he's safe out there.

545 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:28:11pm

re: #536 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks much.

546 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:29:10pm

re: #523 Renaissance_Man

A Friday evening ethical dilemma, because I'm curious and like ethical dilemmas. The following story is mostly true, but feel free to consider it apocryphal.

A local homeless man has been brought into the emergency room several times the past year, at least once a month, with massive GI bleeding. Each time he's brought in, he needs six to eight units of blood to stabilize him, which is a heck of a lot, and blood, as you know, is always short. He is bleeding because of his alcoholism, but the bleeding could be fixed by a relatively simple and safe operation, no more dangerous than removing an appendix. He would then have no more bleeding issues, and no longer be brought in and need massive reperfusion.

However, when the man recovers, he always refuses the operation, and discharges himself as soon as possible. He has no family that can help persuade him or take charge of his medical decisions, and the hospital psychiatrists declare him competent. He also will not be persuaded to accept the operation, no matter who tries. So he returns to the street, only to return within a month needing another six to eight units of blood.

Now what?

If he is comatose the next time he is brought in for the same reason, preform the surgery. The Dr. operating could say it was normal procedure based on the man's repeating condition.
What say you?

547 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:29:34pm

re: #523 Renaissance_Man

re: #523 Renaissance_Man

Now what?

He's not the problem. Our care for him is.

548 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:29:49pm

re: #47 Spare O'Lake

Has an inside terror attack by a radicalized jihadist employee been ruled out?
Has a terror attack of any kind been ruled out?

Are you fucking kidding me?

549 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:30:17pm

re: #539 Gus 802

Only two other countries require "acoustic switches": Brazil and Norway. I don't think that the correct name for the device since I'm not finding much when Googling.

It is the correct name. It is a remote-control shut-off switch that is activated by by a hardwired switch and an automatic switch activated if the connection is lost. There is a backup acoustic activation that can be done from the surface signalling the transducers to active the valve. Thus the name "acoustic switch".

550 webevintage  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:30:19pm

re: #502 prairiefire

re: #487 iceweasel

So sorry, yes there is feta:
1/2 pound chopped up feta cheese
Add feta to filling mix

The other colby/jack cheese adds to the creaminess when baking.

Thanks.
The "creaminess" is what I have had a hard time getting.
Adding some yogurt and sour cream helped....

I would share, but I'm gonna have to shut everything down.
Strong thunderstorms getting ready to come though, tornado warnings.

551 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:31:49pm

re: #542 brookly red

the problem is that some times thing don't work right after an explosion...

Yes, that is why there is some debate over their use and just the two nations have signed up for the added cost. One expects this incident will give a big boost to the pro-acoustic switch camp.

552 Reginald Perrin  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:32:12pm

re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure how much choice anyone has. Are the hospital shrinks able to figure out why he doesn't want the more permanent treatment?

It may be because the poor soul needs a drink so badly that he leaves the hospital as soon as he is stabilized. Withdrawal may explain this behavior.

553 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:33:17pm

Giant Political Football Approaching Louisiana Shore

potent political weapon also exists as actual physical bio-hazard

554 researchok  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:33:50pm

re: #523 Renaissance_Man

Can he be diagnosed as incompetent? If so, a judge could order the surgical procedure.

555 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:33:53pm

re: #546 prairiefire

If he is comatose the next time he is brought in for the same reason, preform the surgery. The Dr. operating could say it was normal procedure based on the man's repeating condition.
What say you?

No!
Can we perform an invasive procedure on a person without their permission, if they have been ruled competent to make the decision?

Wouldn't this be just as much a crime against a person's choice as forcing women to have ultrasounds?

If there is NO WAY he can be kept for mental evaluation and alcoholism treatment, then no one can interfere.

If the man is a competent adult and refuses the treatment, so be it. I don't see how a person who refuses possible life-saving treatment can be considered competent, but then, I'm no expert.

It probably means he will die. Which may be what he wants to happen.

556 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:34:39pm

re: #521 Killgore Trout

It is also very hypocritical of them to complain about the wingnuts. Dkos was just as bad 2 years ago as the average wingnut is today.

I remember it like it was only yesterday.

One difference.... the DKOS idiots were crazy, obnoxious, and even belligerent, but I wouldn't rate them as dangerous. Some of those wingnuts in the woods pretty much have to be considered dangerous by their words, deeds and actions, while with DKOS it was all crazy talk.

557 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:35:07pm

re: #523 Renaissance_Man

A Friday evening ethical dilemma, because I'm curious and like ethical dilemmas. The following story is mostly true, but feel free to consider it apocryphal.

A local homeless man has been brought into the emergency room several times the past year, at least once a month, with massive GI bleeding. Each time he's brought in, he needs six to eight units of blood to stabilise him, which is a heck of a lot, and blood, as you know, is always short. He is bleeding because of his alcoholism, but the bleeding could be fixed by a relatively simple and safe operation, no more dangerous than removing an appendix. He would then have no more bleeding issues, and no longer be brought in and need massive reperfusion.

However, when the man recovers, he always refuses the operation, and discharges himself as soon as possible. He has no family that can help persuade him or take charge of his medical decisions, and the hospital psychiatrists declare him competent. He also will not be persuaded to accept the operation, no matter who tries. So he returns to the street, only to return within a month needing another six to eight units of blood.

Now what?

Now you continue to treat him every time he shows up, and you have no right to perform an operation on him without his consent, refuse him treatment, or dictate his life choices.

Is this kind of fucked up? Yes, because this no doubt affects the quality of his remaining life as well as (what your description is designed to highlight) the lives of others. Doesn't matter.

BTW, involuntary surgery has a very ugly history in this country as well as others. It leads to forced lobotomies and forced sterilization-- and I'm just talking about the US's past here.

558 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:35:46pm

re: #546 prairiefire

If he is comatose the next time he is brought in for the same reason, preform the surgery. The Dr. operating could say it was normal procedure based on the man's repeating condition.
What say you?

Well, that was my initial solution. However, the problem is that to stabilise him enough for the surgery renders him conscious enough to refuse, disappointingly.

Hospital psychiatrists declare him competent, which is a shame also, but who knows why he's refusing treatment. He's an undereducated homeless alcoholic man who gets dragged in when someone finds him in the street in a puddle of his own blood. Some things sadly remain mysteries.

And while there might be some visceral satisfaction in giving him the ultimatum of letting him bleed out, the truth is that emergency personnel are ethically and legally bound to not do that. They have to do something.

559 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:36:59pm

re: #514 Obdicut

Someone was calling a certain procedure 'treif'. As in, "That method of file archiving is treif; use this one instead."

ok-- colloquial. They meant it was 'garbage'.

Not cool to use treif to mean persons or acts by specific persons.

560 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:37:27pm

re: #555 reine.de.tout

Come on Reine! There is no way you can call the description of this person as competent, except by using legalese for CYA. In other words, hopefully he will be brought into someone else's shift, or county, next time; and I've got a hot date tonight..

561 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:37:42pm

re: #548 talon_262


sadly no - he's not.

562 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:38:13pm

re: #549 Bagua

It is the correct name. It is a remote-control shut-off switch that is activated by by a hardwired switch and an automatic switch activated if the connection is lost. There is a backup acoustic activation that can be done from the surface signalling the transducers to active the valve. Thus the name "acoustic switch".

Note that first two items are part of the normal blowout preventer valve and would have been in place. The controversial bit is the added acoustic activated switch. There could be a problem with the valve that the acoustic switch would not have helped, too early to say.

563 palomino  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:39:43pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel

Governor Perry of Texas; yes, Goodhair himself; is now being pilloried as a RINO for his criticism of the Arizona immigration law. Sheesh! Being a God-fearing creationist panderer, death penalty zealot, and thorough-going corporate stooge isn't enough anymore?

I predict this process will continue until there are nine people in the Republican Party, each with their own talk-show of course.

Perry's not stupid. He knows he can't win again AGAIN in TX if he totally pisses off Hispanic voters. TX was 36.5% Hispanic in 2008, a figure that has risen slowly but surely with each passing day.

Perry would hate to have his legacy as Texas's longest serving governor (longer than FDR was prez, BTW) jeopardized by miscalculations in what we can only hope will be the last campaign of his career.

564 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:39:55pm

re: #521 Killgore Trout

It is also very hypocritical of them to complain about the wingnuts. Dkos was just as bad 2 years ago as the average wingnut is today.

Bullshit. More like 5 years ago-- and you'd have to delve into dKos, the diaries, not the actual blog.

565 William of Orange  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:40:47pm

Here we go again....

566 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:40:51pm

re: #556 Thanos

I remember it like it was only yesterday.

One difference... the DKOS idiots were crazy, obnoxious, and even belligerent, but I wouldn't rate them as dangerous. Some of those wingnuts in the woods pretty much have to be considered dangerous by their words, deeds and actions, while with DKOS it was all crazy talk.

This.

567 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:41:16pm

re: #560 Naso Tang

Come on Reine! There is no way you can call the description of this person as competent, except by using legalese for CYA. In other words, hopefully he will be brought into someone else's shift, or county, next time; and I've got a hot date tonight..

I didn't, nor frankly, would I.

They mental health experts at the hospital did.

568 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:43:29pm

re: #562 Bagua

There could be a problem with the valve that the acoustic switch would not have helped, too early to say.

They have not been able to turn the valve with ROVs. Sounds to me like this acoustic stuff is a red herring by someone who would rather have an oversight explanation (ultimately blamable on the powers that be who set the standards) than a screwup one.

(Did I say powers that be setting standards? Sorry, I meant industry self regulation. Silly me./)

569 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:43:56pm

re: #565 William of Orange

Here we go again...

Unlikely that there would be a second such failure.

570 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:44:10pm

re: #567 reine.de.tout

I didn't, nor frankly, would I.

They mental health experts at the hospital did.

I did say CYA, did I not? And I didn't mean you.

571 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:45:32pm

re: #555 reine.de.tout

No!
Can we perform an invasive procedure on a person without their permission, if they have been ruled competent to make the decision?

Wouldn't this be just as much a crime against a person's choice as forcing women to have ultrasounds?

If there is NO WAY he can be kept for mental evaluation and alcoholism treatment, then no one can interfere.

If the man is a competent adult and refuses the treatment, so be it. I don't see how a person who refuses possible life-saving treatment can be considered competent, but then, I'm no expert.

It probably means he will die. Which may be what he wants to happen.

Well, it is definitely wrong to force a surgery against their will. That said, if the man in question did not regain consciousness upon attempted stabilisation, you'd do the surgery as part of the exigent circumstances to save his life, and nobody would think it in any way unethical. The same way that amputating a limb to save the life of someone comatose from an accident is also not unethical, if there is no other way to save the life.

I don't disagree with your position, but to highlight another case of a competent person refusing life-saving treatment, I read a recent case of a college student who was brought in with life-threatening meningitis. He was feverish but conscious and alert, and his situation was very serious, indeed, life or death. The appropriate treatment was antibiotics, again, very safe, and very likely to work. However, the young man refused antibiotics. No matter how it was explained, he continued to refuse antibiotics.

Again, the hospital shrinks declared him competent. He was a foreign student, and had no available family. The doctors in this case gave him antibiotics anyway. He made a full recovery. It turned out that he was uneducated about antibiotics, and believed he had a penicillin allergy (which he didn't, one of his relatives did). He then believed that all antibiotics were penicillin. And in his feverish state, he wasn't able to communicate this point, and thus to be convinced otherwise.

572 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:47:33pm

laters kids

573 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:48:58pm

re: #571 Renaissance_Man

Well, it is definitely wrong to force a surgery against their will.

So I presume you are, in cases of life and death, in support of assisting suicide by inaction?

574 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:53:39pm

re: #573 Naso Tang

So I presume you are, in cases of life and death, in support of assisting suicide by inaction?

Personally, no. I think it the worst of both worlds. I don't see a viable distinction between assisting by inaction and assisting by overt action. If you're going to assist the suicide, do it properly instead of abdicating the responsibility and leaving it up to inaction. If you hold, as I do, that it's unethical for a medical professional to assist the suicide at all, then don't do it.

I see the case for assisted suicide. I can't disagree with the argument for alleviating suffering and preserving the dignity of the patient. If it were legal, I can see a place for it. But I don't think it falls to the role of the doctor to do it.

575 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:53:52pm

re: #568 Naso Tang

They have not been able to turn the valve with ROVs. Sounds to me like this acoustic stuff is a red herring by someone who would rather have an oversight explanation (ultimately blamable on the powers that be who set the standards) than a screwup one.

(Did I say powers that be setting standards? Sorry, I meant industry self regulation. Silly me./)

It is a bit of a red herring as they have never been tested by an actual blowout, and the current procedure already had built in failsafe, yet it has failed. This suggests an issue with the valve mechanism itself, not the switch.

So it is entirely possible that the primary and/or secondary "dead man" switch was activated and that an acoustic switch would have had no result. That the submarines that were on site hours after the accident have also failed to activate the blowout preventer gives support to this hypothesis.

576 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:55:25pm

re: #550 webevintage

Be safe!

577 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:56:01pm

OK, finally found something besides a generic name for the acoustic switch.

Acoustic control system for BOP operation

Introduction

The acoustic control system (ACS) is designed for acoustic control of Blow Out Preventer - BOP and subsea production units. The subsea unit may control up to 16 different functions. An advanced acoustic telemetry link, based on Spaced Frequency Shift Keying - SFSK techniques provide a reliable communication in noisy and reverberant offshore environments.
Acoustic control system operating depths

The ACS system is delivered as low frequency (LF) or medium frequency (MF) systems. Both systems can be delivered for water depths down to 3000 meters (10000 feet).

Acoustic Control System (ACS) for controlling the Blowout Preventer (BOP).

AKA Acoustic BOP control system.

578 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:58:14pm

Now I can find things.

Nautronix / Cameron NASMUX System Demonstration

Youtube Video
579 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 5:58:37pm

re: #577 Gus 802

Possibly a buy signal for Kongsberg, Sonardyne and Nautronix.

580 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:01:36pm

re: #571 Renaissance_Man

My thinking is that medical professionals make these "under the radar" determinations all the time. Especially with a repeat patient. Much like a triage decision.

581 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:04:03pm

re: #579 Bagua

Possibly a buy signal for Kongsberg, Sonardyne and Nautronix.

I tell ya. Offshore oil drilling is one complex operation.

582 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:05:56pm

re: #580 prairiefire

My thinking is that medical professionals make these "under the radar" determinations all the time. Especially with a repeat patient. Much like a triage decision.

I suspect you are correct.

Here's what is sad to me, and it's particularly sad for me, I think, because my youngest brother is a drug addict and delusional and has all sorts of problems because of the addiction.

When such a person presents himself to family (or physicians) requesting medical care or other help (financial help in the case of my brother), then there ought to be a way that family or caregivers (phsycians, if that's the case) can have the person committed for addiction treatment, until the point at which the person can make a rational decision, not one based on his need to feed the addiction.

But you can't do it. The most that can be done is if the person passes out or whatever, you can bring him to the ER, and then have him placed under observation for a short period of time. It's a mess.

583 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:08:35pm

re: #582 reine.de.tout

So sorry, Reine. You have posted about your brother before. One wants to move Heaven and Earth to help, but reality always intrudes. We are but mortals with our trust in God...

584 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:11:41pm

re: #574 Renaissance_Man

Personally, no. I think it the worst of both worlds. I don't see a viable distinction between assisting by inaction and assisting by overt action. If you're going to assist the suicide, do it properly instead of abdicating the responsibility and leaving it up to inaction. If you hold, as I do, that it's unethical for a medical professional to assist the suicide at all, then don't do it.

I see the case for assisted suicide. I can't disagree with the argument for alleviating suffering and preserving the dignity of the patient. If it were legal, I can see a place for it. But I don't think it falls to the role of the doctor to do it.

I don't disagree with you, but my own earlier comment was more sarcastic. The person in question is obviously heading for early death, not to mention someone else who dies because they run out of blood an hour after the drunk comes in for for his transfusion fix; free, courtesy of you and me.

(I read somewhere it also a good substitute for Viagra; but maybe that was just a movie).

This makes me think of those shows on Cops, when someone gets arrested for DUI for the 6th time in two years or less.

We do this to ourselves; the drunks don't do it to us.

585 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:11:47pm

re: #578 Gus 802

Good video, thanks. That looks to be a next generation application in which the acoustic switch/control is a primary mechanism, not only as a fail-safe. Also the MUX (multiplexer) is redesigned.

586 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:25:41pm

re: #581 Gus 802

I tell ya. Offshore oil drilling is one complex operation.

It certainly is, and this is deep water. Cameron International the manufacturer of the BOP in place has seen their share price drop, not surprisingly. It looks like they, and Halliburton will get a lot of scrutiny in the coming weeks.

587 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:29:15pm

re: #586 Bagua

It certainly is, and this is deep water. Cameron International the manufacturer of the BOP in place has seen their share price drop, not surprisingly. It looks like they, and Halliburton will get a lot of scrutiny in the coming weeks.

Saw that a couple of days ago. It's a little preemptive but it's impossible to control those types of market reactions. Depending on the cause I was wondering if this presents a brighter future for acoustic BOP system manufacturers.

588 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:34:39pm

re: #305 windsagio

Christ, just flounce already!

Sure him, then Mandy, then Albus steve, then, well anyone else who in any way disagrees with your point of view, right?

Just keep on hounding them for no reason, over reacting to every post they make, acting deeply wounded if they dare to question how you see something.

You are seriously getting to be as bad if not worse than the right ever was here. Why? Because now you are the one who "is right?"

Check yourself dude, you are turning into an arrogant asshole and your doing it in the fast lane.

589 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:36:49pm

re: #587 Gus 802

Saw that a couple of days ago. It's a little preemptive but it's impossible to control those types of market reactions. Depending on the cause I was wondering if this presents a brighter future for acoustic BOP system manufacturers.

Yep, that's why I said "Possibly a buy signal for Kongsberg, Sonardyne and Nautronix." above, they all make these devices. Making these currently optional devices mandatory should be a boon for those companies. Alternatively, another likely result is a indefinite suspension of offshore drilling. So boom or bust seems equally possible.

590 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:39:02pm

re: #588 ausador

Spot on.

591 Gus  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:41:26pm

re: #589 Bagua

Yep, that's why I said "Possibly a buy signal for Kongsberg, Sonardyne and Nautronix." above, they all make these devices. Making these currently optional devices mandatory should be a boon for those companies. Alternatively, another likely result is a indefinite suspension of offshore drilling. So boom or bust seems equally possible.

Yeah it can go either way. Everything will depend on the long term impact of this oil spill and when they're able to control the leak. Right now it's not looking good for the future of offshore oil drilling. Long term it won't affect existing leases but they may be required to install these BOP safety devices regardless of the cause.

592 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:49:39pm

re: #591 Gus 802

Yeah it can go either way. Everything will depend on the long term impact of this oil spill and when they're able to control the leak. Right now it's not looking good for the future of offshore oil drilling. Long term it won't affect existing leases but they may be required to install these BOP safety devices regardless of the cause.

My thinking is, the industry will do fine as there is a big world out there and many other places to drill in the meantime and a shortage of rigs. I also agree with your assessment, I will be shocked if the minimal result isn't both a US regulation requiring the addition of the acoustic switches to the BOP's in use as well as wider industry adoption of the technology. This regardless of any findings as you mention.

593 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:56:39pm

re: #588 ausador

Your slip is showing :P

(seriously, isn't there a 100 post guideline or somethin'?)

594 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 6:57:10pm

re: #393 tnguitarist

It's Friday, what's everyone drinking?

Bailey's on the rocks. And one of the cats appears to want a slug too...

595 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:11:20pm

re: #593 windsagio

Your slip is showing :P

(seriously, isn't there a 100 post guideline or somethin'?)

How about explaining what that is supposed to mean to anyone except you?

I realize this blog is apparently the only one you have time for, if it isn't then I guess you have no life at all besides posting online. Still your idiotic attempts to use high school style "peer pressure" to run anyone you don't like off of the site are comical.

Take a couple of steps back and a few deep breaths next time you feel like telling someone to flounce just so you might not have to read their horribly divergent posts anymore. What is it you are looking for, another daily KOS here? That sure seems to be your ultimate aim the way you go after anyone who has the balls to express any type of right leaning view on any topic.

It isn't enough to just say they are wrong, or prove they are wrong, nope you want and need to run them "clean out of Dodge." I hope you are happy with the site we have here once you have succeeded in eliminating all of those "evil" rightwing voices.

Your acting like a power drunk asshole, you got carried away at least a good month ago, and I wouldn't say that just to screw with you, I'm saying it because, well, you are.

596 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:16:08pm

re: #595 ausador

Man, you should read the context. Specifically, I can easily acknowledge (and did!) that I wrongly let him get to me and screwed up by saying that.

The thing is, if you read, it was after something like an hour of him cussing people out and being a general giant douche. Sure I was impolite, but he was an ass. As is often the case.

Beyond that, what's with the insults? I only have time for one blog, but I also do nothing else? And the rage? Its just kinda silly.

I get it, you consider these guys and your internet friends. The thing is, 'established personalities' can say utterly loathsome things, or stupid things, or tell people to fuck off, or whatever, and totally get away with it scot free. That's not right.


So to summarize: I shouldn't have told him to flounce, but all your rage and lecturing won't get me to play good German.

597 Lidane  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:20:14pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel

Governor Perry of Texas; yes, Goodhair himself; is now being pilloried as a RINO for his criticism of the Arizona immigration law. Sheesh! Being a God-fearing creationist panderer, death penalty zealot, and thorough-going corporate stooge isn't enough anymore?

As usual, the Freepers are a bunch of delusional whackjobs.

598 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:22:47pm

re: #596 windsagio

Uhh...sure, that would be a perfectly acceptable explanation, if this was not a pretty much daily occurence with you, I suppose they all "just get to you" and it is not your fault for over reacting to any and every comment made with the slightest rightward slant?

Funny that now you think I am the one over reacting when in truth I'm just sick of watching you jump into the "deep end" five times a day. It does get old you know...

599 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:27:53pm

re: #598 ausador

Well heres the thing. There are plenty of rightwing people that I get along with just fine, and get along with me. Beyond that I don't think I've ever told anyone to flounce 'cept for this one time.

Next: "Out to get me?" huh? I don't even know what to say about that >

Third: You have the power to not read my posts. The emotional force of your reaction is waaaay out of sync with this argument. What made you slip into insultrage so hard?

Fourth: Don't feel bad about keeping after the subject, I love talking about myself :D

600 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:29:32pm

PFFTTT, boring flamewar is boring.
:P

601 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:34:07pm

re: #600 Varek Raith

I'm getting my needs met, shush!

602 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:34:31pm

re: #601 windsagio

I'm getting my needs met, shush!

Roger, roger!

603 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:35:16pm

re: #602 Varek Raith

Roger, roger!

Youtube Video
604 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:35:34pm

re: #603 windsagio

(yes its in german on purpose, funnier that way :P)

605 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:42:19pm

re: #599 windsagio

It is remarkable that you are so hostile to any sort or criticism or observation. Why? Because 95%+ of your posts are personal observation and personal criticism aimed at others, with little comment about the actual issues being discussed.

As I have noted on numerous occasions, you are the leading author of a constant stream of heckling comments directed at those you target, yet when the occasional observation of this behaviour is made you immediately retreat within your shell, with the observations snarked off as rage, insult, hate or now "insultirage."

ausador has you pegged to a tee, yet rather than learn and reflect, you deflect by pretending he is hostile and unfair. Pathetic.

606 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:44:34pm

re: #595 ausador

Don't worry, Windy does not have that power.

607 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:45:21pm

re: #605 Bagua

short answer: Don't be awful, and you won't get heckled.

shorter answer: I know you don't like me, man.

Long answer: I think its particularly appropriate to discuss with people who have criticisms, you know without telling them to 'go piss up a rope', or calling them race-specific slurs, things like that.

608 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:45:36pm

re: #606 prairiefire

Little you know!

609 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:48:25pm

re: #608 windsagio

Little you know!

At least you can't go "la femme" here./ I think everyone knows you are a guy.

610 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 7:50:03pm

re: #609 prairiefire

Yeah I learned that lesson. Out yourself early, or creepy things happen >>

611 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:00:40pm

re: #607 windsagio


short answer: Don't be awful, and you won't get heckled.

Again, you reserve the right to judge others, constantly and compulsively but you can't accept any criticism in return. Nonsense, that is denied. What is "awful" is this attempt to silence those you consider evil by a constant stream of annoying comments. It is tiresome.

More-over, your labeling members of this community as "awful" or "the bastards here" and so on, is divisive and chills the atmosphere, just as you no doubt intend.

shorter answer: I know you don't like me, man.

Again, you try to personalise and turn your opponent into a hater. That is nonsense, I don't hate you and I don't hate anyone here. If I didn't like you I wouldn't waste my time with you. We are a small community of divergent opinions who like to chat. Lighten up.


Long answer: I think its particularly appropriate to discuss with people who have criticisms, you know without telling them to 'go piss up a rope', or calling them race-specific slurs, things like that.

Good straw man, I do neither, nor do the majority of those you target with your constant stream of heckling.

Notice I don't ask you to piss off, or flounce, or be banned or whatever. I'm happy to accept you as a commenter. You can not, however, expect immunity from any scrutiny if you are going to continue to demonise and harass those you consider "awful".

612 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:07:50pm

re: #611 Bagua

You know what I"m talking about :p

There's one serious point you're missing, so I'll repeat it. I don't at all feel myself immune from scrutiny. In fact, I"m perfectly willing to apologize if proven wrong. This is of course assuming the scrutiny is valid :p

You are right tho', it would be hypocritical of me to be willing to criticize others, but not take it myself. If that were the case you'd have a really strong argument!

613 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:09:06pm

Again, I say:

I would not put it past the ecofascists like the EarthFirst! idiots to blow up an oil rig in order to stop "drilling" off our coasts.

No need to see this as my personal conspiracy theory. I am just sayin' that there are certain folks driving Prii around town who are perfectly immune and willfully ignorant of the damage done by offshore drilling in other places. NIMBYism, pure and simple. They pretend to "care" about the "planet", as long as their oil flow is secure.

I totally support "drill here, drill now" as a way for eco-pretenders to learn up close and personal what drilling costs.

This does not mean I love Sarah Palin.

614 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:10:04pm

re: #613 Cato the Elder

+ for the plural of "Prius" :D

615 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:19:01pm

re: #613 Cato the Elder

I think that at a point in the near future the Prii drivers, and everyone else, are going to hit a solid wall of reality. There will not be much ecological minded protestation during the event of $10.00 a gallon gasoline prices.

616 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:23:55pm

Me? I'm just trying to make this place a little better, maybe the horse I am beating has already died but I think that maybe I can still detect a pulse.

I did the same thing when I had time to get on here last night too, I could care less about karma, I'm just trying to encourage a few people to perhaps stop and think about their behavior on this site.

If they want to blow me off and ignore me that is fine, I certainly don't have any power to make anyone listen to me. I do hope however that if even one person who reads my posts will take my critique to heart and be a little kinder perhaps that will make this a better site for everyone.

Just because the world out there has become a world of partisan lines drawn in the sand and utter craziness does not mean that it has to happen here. I thought that many of the members came here because it was not partisan and people from both sides were able to explain there views, I certainly do.

My idea of how to rebut another's views seems to be somewhat different from yours Windsagio...

617 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:27:36pm

re: #616 ausador

It could be a difference in age or maturity, IMHO. There are many voices here at LGF. Even with the flame wars people keep coming back for a good chat.

618 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:30:29pm

re: #616 ausador


Believe me I"m listening, and its interesting:

Here's my question back to you:

Do we empower bad bahavior in the name of peace and harmony?

Its not about blind partisanship (or else I wouldn't be friendly with people like Aceofwhat? or Reine), its about abusive, bullying behavior.

619 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:31:04pm

re: #616 ausador

What are you talking about, though, dude? This place is pretty good for rational conversation, with people supporting each other on the lines of what they believe in rather than partisan support, and respecting others well-made arguments.

Sure, there's some sniping, some people who are dyed-in-the-wool, but I think it's kinda silly to call the site a dead horse.

Did I misunderstand you? Is the dead horse just the few people?

620 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:31:39pm

re: #619 Obdicut

I think he's referring to the semi-ongoing discussion he and I have been having over the last few hours >>

621 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:38:23pm

re: #588 ausador

Oh geez, all that about Windsagio?

Guys, if you're being 'hounded' by Winsagio, you're wimps. No offense, Wind, but you ain't scary.

622 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:41:23pm

re: #621 Obdicut

pff I'm not offended >> To be honest I don't wanna be scary, anyways. It gets in the way of getting your point across.

Its arguably one of the good things about LGF that people don't really know what a real 'hounding' or 'flamewar' is all about :D (because they haven't really suffered it)

623 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:45:16pm

re: #612 windsagio

You know what I"m talking about :p

There's one serious point you're missing, so I'll repeat it. I don't at all feel myself immune from scrutiny. In fact, I"m perfectly willing to apologize if proven wrong. This is of course assuming the scrutiny is valid :p

You are right tho', it would be hypocritical of me to be willing to criticize others, but not take it myself. If that were the case you'd have a really strong argument!

Well then we agree in principal, that is progress.

624 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:47:49pm

re: #621 Obdicut

Oh geez, all that about Windsagio?

Guys, if you're being 'hounded' by Winsagio, you're wimps. No offense, Wind, but you ain't scary.

Said by the heckler in chief. Lol.

625 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:50:10pm

Yep. I don't recall windsagio ever calling a fellow poster's wife their 'psychotic girlfriend', or calling a Jewish poster a 'kapo' - unlike a certain morally wounded saint here.

And I don't recall windsagio's behaviour ever resulting in threads being reduced to swiss cheese from the deletion of his over the top and offensive comments either.

Funny isn't it when the worst offenders try to appoint themselves as the civility police?

626 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:51:32pm

re: #621 Obdicut

Oops! The above was a reply to this comment.

627 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:51:40pm

re: #624 Bagua

Dude, obdicut? Really?

Not Jimmah, or Ice, or me even?

You're living in a strange world friend.

628 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:54:45pm

re: #627 windsagio

Dude, obdicut? Really?

Not Jimmah, or Ice, or me even?

You're living in a strange world friend.

Or Ludwig? I think it's been all of us at some point - just depends on who is currently handing him his ass.

629 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:59:16pm

Let's drop the fight and head upstairs.

630 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:00:18pm

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

hehe, we're not hurting anybody down here ;)

631 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:00:33pm

Lol, the dingbats have arrived to pile on. Exactly the others implicated in ausador's observation.

632 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:02:57pm

Let's reignite flame wars from long dead threads, eh, Jimmah. Anything to fan the flames.

633 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:03:47pm

re: #631 Bagua

To really that's the difference between you (and spare above really) and me. In a situation like this, the best solution isn't to dig in and amp up the insults.

634 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:05:55pm

re: #633 windsagio

To really that's the difference between you (and spare above really) and me. In a situation like this, the best solution isn't to dig in and amp up the insults.

Hee, hee, what insults? I'm laughing. Your mates have arrived to exert the exact type of peer pressure ausidor was referring to. It is quite amusing, really.

635 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:07:04pm

re: #634 Bagua

"Dingbats" for one.

And of course you're laughing! That's not a totally predictable thing to say in this situation or anything!

636 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:07:23pm

re: #632 Bagua

Let's reignite flame wars from long dead threads, eh, Jimmah. Anything to fan the flames.

That's right Bagsy, only you are allowed to constantly refer to other poster's alleged past bad behaviour.

Nice try.

637 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:07:41pm

re: #634 Bagua

Hee, hee, what insults? I'm laughing. Your mates have arrived to exert the exact type of peer pressure ausidor was referring to. It is quite amusing, really.

Bagua, I've only updinged you. But this argument is only serving to lower your karma. Nothing of substance is being out out.

638 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:08:25pm

re: #635 windsagio

"Dingbats" for one.

And of course you're laughing! That's not a totally predictable thing to say in this situation or anything!

Oh that, it is an old joke between jimmah and I, hardly nasty.

639 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:09:06pm

I called out Cato when he went too far, I called out LVQ when he went too far, hell I even called out Dark Falcon when he went too far (once), now I am busy admonishing Windsagio... :p /

I love the back and forth and debate, why do you think I am here? But when you cross from that to just flat out trying to run people you disagree with off the site I am going to complain, loudly, and repetitively.

The left has a lot more voices here than the right now and it is easy to shout them down and downding them for disagreeing, it happens quite frequently, pretty much every day. If we turn this into a site that only masochists from the right will be a member of are we really getting an honest representation of their message?

Most of them have already been banned for pure idiocy or because they got too involved and felt the need to repudiate this site when it started to contradict their beliefs. What is left are the few "fiscal" conservatives that don't have a hughe problem with Charle's stance on global warming, creationism, subtle but general mocking of Christianity, and a constant drumbeat against the excesses of insanity on the right.

Disagree, argue, debate, that is all fine. Badger the shit out of them? Not quite as cool... :p

640 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:09:28pm

re: #635 windsagio

"Dingbats" for one.

And of course you're laughing! That's not a totally predictable thing to say in this situation or anything!

I think I'm gonna head upthread, leave our morally wounded saint to his tears. (of laughter, of course/)

641 windsagio  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:10:33pm

re: #639 ausador

Hell, like I always say, we're all here for a reason :p

I just think you're being an enabler >>

642 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:14:10pm

re: #639 ausador

I called out Cato when he went too far, I called out LVQ when he went too far, hell I even called out Dark Falcon when he went too far (once), now I am busy admonishing Windsagio... :p /

I love the back and forth and debate, why do you think I am here? But when you cross from that to just flat out trying to run people you disagree with off the site I am going to complain, loudly, and repetitively.

The left has a lot more voices here than the right now and it is easy to shout them down and downding them for disagreeing, it happens quite frequently, pretty much every day. If we turn this into a site that only masochists from the right will be a member of are we really getting an honest representation of their message?

Most of them have already been banned for pure idiocy or because they got too involved and felt the need to repudiate this site when it started to contradict their beliefs. What is left are the few "fiscal" conservatives that don't have a hughe problem with Charle's stance on global warming, creationism, subtle but general mocking of Christianity, and a constant drumbeat against the excesses of insanity on the right.

Disagree, argue, debate, that is all fine. Badger the shit out of them? Not quite as cool... :p

Thank you, I agree with you.

643 Bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:14:46pm

re: #636 Jimmah

That's right Bagsy, only you are allowed to constantly refer to other poster's alleged past bad behaviour.

Nice try.

No Jimmah, and I won't mock your chosen nic. I don't claim to be perfect or to never have spoken in anger, and later had to apologise. Nor have I referred to you or your behaviour, nor you wife, in quite some weeks.

You seem to bear grudges, such anger eats at the soul.

644 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:40:36pm

re: #643 Bagua

No Jimmah, and I won't mock your chosen nic. I don't claim to be perfect or to never have spoken in anger, and later had to apologise. Nor have I referred to you or your behaviour, nor you wife, in quite some weeks.

You seem to bear grudges, such anger eats at the soul.

You need to be admitting here that you are not only 'not perfect', but actually just about the last person on this blog that should be trying to lecture others on civility.

As for grudges, you seem to be gaining new ones with new people by the day.

The fact that you haven't insulted me or my wife for a while might, I suspect, have something to do with the fact that we stopped talking to you months ago. And speaking of that, where did you apologise to iceweasel for the 'psychotic girlfriend' comment? I don't remember you giving one.

645 bagua  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:15:55pm

re: #644 Jimmah

You need to be admitting here that you are not only 'not perfect', but actually just about the last person on this blog that should be trying to lecture others on civility.

As for grudges, you seem to be gaining new ones with new people by the day.

If we accept that as accurate then that makes you only the second to last person on this blog that should be trying to lecture others on civility. Oh, and the second, or third to last person who people have grudges against, though, I doubt I'm really your equal. Perhaps we should get a pint and compare notes?

646 Pierless  Fri, Apr 30, 2010 11:11:31pm

Never hear Rush anymore. Last time was in early 2008. When Republicans lost the White House. Nice work, Rush!

647 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:03:24am

I guess the "Obama's Katrina" riff is not going down well (all but the biggiest dittoheads recognize the diffrence between an act of God and a man-made disaster), so Rush needs to find some other way of distracting from the issue and tarring Obama, so to speak.

648 advocatusdiaboli  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:51:34pm

This guy is on a truly scary Oxycontin high and I think it's affected his mind--as small as it is that didn't take long. His drug-adled rants are too much for me. He used to be smarter than Palin but brain cell drug deaths are poising him on the edge of being more stupid any day now. IN his dreams he wants to rally die volks for der Fuher--him.

649 BlackFedora  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:14:59pm

The Regime? The far left used to refer to the Bush Administration as the Bush regime as if we were living under some sort of military junta in some banana republic or something. Rush calling the Obama Administration the Obama Regime just illustrate the extent with which the far right and the far left have switched places.

The far right is in the same place psychologically.... and what makes that troubling is they've got guns.

650 Steve Dutch  Sat, May 1, 2010 6:33:51pm

Believe it or not, Rush is sane compared to one site. The site [Link: www.whatdoesitmean.com...] is running a story "US Orders Blackout Over North Korean Torpedoing Of Gulf Of Mexico Oil Rig." See, a North Korean cargo vessel came within 130 miles of the oil rig only two days before the blast. They supposedly launched a mini-sub. On April 20 the sub launched two "incendiary torpedoes" (because out in the ocean, there's no water to put fires out, apparently). The reason for blowing the rig was to put Obama in an impossible situation at the UN conference on nuclear threats on May 3. Because the "only known and proven means possible [to stop the leak is] the detonation of a thermonuclear device." I can't do this site justice, but do be sure to check out "Russia Reports Thousands Of Chinese Troops Have ‘Gone Missing” In US." Can't get loopier than Rush? There's a hole with no bottom.

651 Sacred Plants  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:30:15am

re: #613 Cato the Elder

Again, I say: I would not put it past the ecofascists like the EarthFirst! idiots to blow up an oil rig in order to stop "drilling" off our coasts. [...]

And instead of carrying out a suicide attack, the magnificient bastards did it all by busting the secret command shelter of the regime and hijacking its illegal manipulation capabilities!

/

652 dauntlessone  Tue, May 4, 2010 10:40:22am

First of all when Rush Limbaugh uses the term "Regime" when referring to the Obama administration he is mocking Obama supporters who used to call the Bush administration a "Regime" and media who stood silently by or participated when they did it (Chris Matthews for one). I am sure it makes his day everytime a die hard Obama supporter / Bush hater has a conniption over his mocking use of the term.

First Rush brought up audio of the administration saying that they are sending out SWAT teams to all the rigs. So your thinking is that they are sending SWAT teams to off shore oil rigs because they are experts in deep sea drilling safety? More likely is that they sent SWAT teams because they have not ruled out sabotage as a possible cause.

If sabotage is a possible cause it is not beyond reason to speculate that a radical environmental group could be involved. Highly unlikely but not beyond possibility.

Personally I think it is highly unlikely that the rig was sabotaged but I think it is prudent for the administration to consider it as a possibility and take measures to safeguard our offshore rigs.

653 26charlie  Tue, May 4, 2010 7:30:43pm

Rush using "regime" just fits the pattern of the right attempting to use everything said about bush on obama. Remember that they were very much upset to hear all these same bad things said about their dear party leader, for (to them) absolutely NO reason at all. No good reason that they knew of anyway - thanks to their one-sourced misinformation programming.

They were hurt about media attention aimed at bush's poor communication skills too, and the suggestions he needed a teleprompter to convey messages he knew nothing about (it would have been better if he could read it without a monotone) So it was only natural they'd want to make the same claim about obama needing a teleprompter. Thats easy to do on their side because they need nothing to back up their wildest claims. They're in a faith based reality, where fact check questioning is discouraged by defining that activity as "attacks on our beliefs". You're immediately a traitor for even doubting it.


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