LGF Linkage - Now with Twitter Support

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LGF Linkage now supports posting to Twitter, with a little blue button in the upper right corner of each link (next to the Favorite and Report buttons) with Twitter’s lower-case ‘t’ logo. The button looks something like this (in fact, it looks exactly like this):

When you click this sweet baby, it will open a window to Twitter’s home page already filled in with the link’s title and shortened URL, ready for you to post. (You need a Twitter account, of course.)

Another change: to speed up the display of the Linkage home page, it now limits the default time frame to links posted within the last 30 days. This should help quite a bit with performance.

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204 comments
1 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:19:12pm

twitter is the only social networking community that I use. no facebook for me!

2 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:20:43pm

I wonder when the inevitable “work accident” takes place in iran?

3 Randall Gross  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:25:07pm

yay! And thanks!

4 Ojoe  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:26:26pm

re: #2 _RememberTonyC

I.e, oops we set off our bomb by moving the uranium chunks too close together?

5 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:27:51pm

As a life-long behind-the-tech-curve kind of guy, I’m starting to feel like I might be missing something by simply posting on the main threads as I have always done here. I don’t even know how to work Facebook or Twitter at all. It’s like going to the dentist for me to learn how to use this stuff.
Anyone else feeling like this?
Any advice from more up-to-date lizards?

6 Randall Gross  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:27:56pm

Tests out fine so far…

7 Randall Gross  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:30:23pm

re: #5 Spare O’Lake

Well … first you get a twitter account, then you set up your phone on it, and your computer. Then you look for subjects and people that you like. You click on thme to follow them, you start getting their tweets… Then you find a few hash tag groups you like and follow them. Next thing you know you have little twitters going off all day long…

8 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:30:49pm

re: #4 Ojoe

I.e, oops we set off our bomb by moving the uranium chunks too close together?

or a little bitty c4 “sticky” in just the right place

9 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:34:05pm

re: #5 Spare O’Lake

twitter is pretty benign and you don’t have to reveal that much about yourself … that’s why i like it. you can say anything you want in 140 characters or fewer.

10 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:37:15pm

re: #5 Spare O’Lake

As a life-long behind-the-tech-curve kind of guy, I’m starting to feel like I might be missing something by simply posting on the main threads as I have always done here. I don’t even know how to work Facebook or Twitter at all. It’s like going to the dentist for me to learn how to use this stuff.
Anyone else feeling like this?
Any advice from more up-to-date lizards?

I am not up to date at all, but what I’ve found excellent about twitter is up-to-the-minute news. I set up an account and follow different news sources.

I’ll probably only tweet if I am the news.

11 freetoken  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:39:57pm

As the oil spill continues to grow and the consequential fallout in our political sphere evolves, slowly, into some sort of policy/actions relating to oil and drilling, the wingnuts are in full cognitive collapse.

E.g., the current HotWingNuts thread ” No, the oil rig explosion wasn’t terrorism” (where a caller into Levin tries to explain what happened, vice the conspiracy theories that the RW outlets are airing), we find such comments as:

So the Chicoms or Russia (under KGB Putin) would not be able to sabotage a rig covertly in order to keep their own thereby-increasingly-profitable drilling operations going on unabated as America thrashed around indecisively for years trying to assimilate this “eco-disaster”… which both of these countries would simply shrug off as a matter of doing business and continue their own drilling?

Let’s wait for a thorough revue of the incident before glibly deciding what the hell happened, one way or the other.

Industrial espionage against the West is rampant with our “former” enemies.

I discount nothing.

profitsbeard on May 1, 2010 at 1:19 PM

They love their conspiracies as a security blanket, because for sure reality isn’t going to placate them.

12 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:40:40pm

When it comes to things like Twitter and personal pages and so forth, I can’t think of a single person, with the possible exception of my offspring, whose thoughts I find so interesting that I want to be up to date on their every thought and daily occurrence, no matter how banal. I’m not even that old, and society seems to have developed so strangely, where so many of us are so desperate to share as much as possible of ourselves and to follow every step of everyone they know.

Were I a judge, and some plaintiff came before me with a claim of having their privacy invaded, I would immediately ask if that person had a twitter, Facebook, or Myspace account. And if they did, I would laugh in their face.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:41:07pm

Another change: to speed up the display of the Linkage home page, it now limits the default time frame to links posted within the last 30 days. This should help quite a bit with performance.

14 wrenchwench  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:41:15pm

World’s youngest Tweeter:

Working on my avatar. It’s slightly complicated. For me at least. 7:35 PM Apr 29th via web

# I’m now the size of a lemon, 3.5 inches long, and weigh 1.5 ounces. And oh yeah, I’m on Twitter. 3:41 PM Apr 25th via web

# I got 2 arms, 2 legs, a nickname, and i’m 2 inches long. See y’all in October.. 10:19 AM Apr 20th via web

It’s Lance Armstrong’s next kid. Lance has almost 2.5 million “followers”.

15 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:41:40pm

re: #13 Charles

I posted my first link, thank you!

16 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:43:40pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

I am not up to date at all, but what I’ve found excellent about twitter is up-to-the-minute news. I set up an account and follow different news sources.

I’ll probably only tweet if I am the news.

That’s what I find best about it too.
I don’t use it, otherwise.

17 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:44:44pm

re: #16 reine.de.tout

That’s what I find best about it too.
I don’t use it, otherwise.

One of the first photographs after the Calexico Easter quake was from a girl’s twitter. I’m prepared.

18 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:45:32pm

re: #7 Thanos

re: #9 _RememberTonyC

re: #10 Stanley Sea

re: #12 Renaissance_Man

Thanks. I have no idea how to do any of this. I guess one of these days I’ll need to just jump in and fumble around until I figure it out. It can’t be that difficult.

19 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:46:27pm

re: #18 Spare O’Lake

re: #9 _RememberTonyC

re: #10 Stanley Sea

re: #12 Renaissance_Man

Thanks. I have no idea how to do any of this. I guess one of these days I’ll need to just jump in and fumble around until I figure it out. It can’t be that difficult.


not difficult, just a pain in the ass !!

20 kernelPanic  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:46:47pm

Charles, still working on the iPad/mobile version of the site? Can’t wait.

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:47:29pm

Well, the kids and I are off to rain destruction down upon the heads of our enemies. Should be fun. Later

22 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:48:39pm

Obama takes direct aim at anti-government rhetoric

I agree with him.

I didn’t like angry and harsh and anti-government rhetoric when Bush was President, and I don’t like it now.

23 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:49:12pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, the kids and I are off to rain destruction down upon the heads of our enemies. Should be fun. Later

Heh. Sounds like a wholesome family activity.
Take no prisoners!

24 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:49:14pm

re: #18 Spare O’Lake

Just go to twitter.com - set up new account - pick your name. Then do a search for “news” it will give you a list of those you might want to follow. Pretty easy. Funny though, I’m “public” so sometimes a spam type person starts to “follow” me. hahaha. You can block them as soon as they appear.

(sorry for the folks who read this and say duh)

25 pharmmajor  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:50:16pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Obama takes direct aim at anti-government rhetoric

I agree with him.

I didn’t like angry and harsh and anti-government rhetoric when Bush was President, and I don’t like it now.

When it is or borders on inciting violence then it is crossing a line, but the people need to be willing to speak up against the government, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican in power.

26 kernelPanic  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:50:16pm

I’m cautious in my use of social-media:

- facebook is for family and friends in highschool/college
- linkedIn is for professional contacts
- no crossover allowed on facebook (personal friends only)
- twitter is for people who want to follow my travel or talk schedule so I just post it to broadcast facts rather than comments/opinions

… and my LGF account is generally kept separate from all, not that I particularly care or work hard at hiding my online identity but in general it’s not good to mix business & politics out in the real world.

27 Locker  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:51:36pm

re: #11 freetoken

As the oil spill continues to grow and the consequential fallout in our political sphere evolves, slowly, into some sort of policy/actions relating to oil and drilling, the wingnuts are in full cognitive collapse.

E.g., the current HotWingNuts thread ” No, the oil rig explosion wasn’t terrorism” (where a caller into Levin tries to explain what happened, vice the conspiracy theories that the RW outlets are airing), we find such comments as:

They love their conspiracies as a security blanket, because for sure reality isn’t going to placate them.

What disappoints me is their lack of creativity. I mean if you are going to play a “is it REALLY so impossible that X would happen” game why not go big. George Soros under contract from Kim Jong-il paid a crack squad of code pink demolitions experts disguised as Muslim oil workers to take out the rig.

Is it REALLY so impossible?

28 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:51:41pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

At grocery store parking lot this a.m. car with “Impeach Obama” bumper sticker.

I’m glad I didn’t meet the owner, it would have been hard not to ask & then get into some sort of birther debate or something……ugh

29 Locker  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:53:02pm

re: #26 kernelPanic

I’m cautious in my use of social-media:

- facebook is for family and friends in highschool/college
- linkedIn is for professional contacts
- no crossover allowed on facebook (personal friends only)
- twitter is for people who want to follow my travel or talk schedule so I just post it to broadcast facts rather than comments/opinions

… and my LGF account is generally kept separate from all, not that I particularly care or work hard at hiding my online identity but in general it’s not good to mix business & politics out in the real world.

A quick way to check the information exposed by facebook is to visit this site:

[Link: zesty.ca…]

30 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:53:39pm

re: #27 Locker

What disappoints me is their lack of creativity. I mean if you are going to play a “is it REALLY so impossible that X would happen” game why not go big. George Soros under contract from Kim Jong-il paid a crack squad of code pink demolitions experts disguised as Muslim oil workers to take out the rig.

Is it REALLY so impossible?

I KNEW IT!!11!

31 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:56:16pm

re: #29 Locker

Holy crap. I just looked up a friend of mine based on their email. It’s all there.

32 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:57:15pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Obama takes direct aim at anti-government rhetoric

I agree with him.

I didn’t like angry and harsh and anti-government rhetoric when Bush was President, and I don’t like it now.

I watched the Obama speech to the graduating class on TV this morning - an excellent, inspirational message and a first-rate delivery. Although not necessarily reported this way, the message I heard was clearly bipartisan and was directed at all political debate, not just anti-government rhetoric.

33 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 12:58:13pm

re: #27 Locker

The jackasses don’ttake into account that a drilling platform is an inheritly dangerous place, with methane, natural gas, etc… So, of course there just couldn’t have been an accident.

34 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:02:12pm

re: #26 kernelPanic

I’m cautious in my use of social-media:

- facebook is for family and friends in highschool/college
- linkedIn is for professional contacts
- no crossover allowed on facebook (personal friends only)
- twitter is for people who want to follow my travel or talk schedule so I just post it to broadcast facts rather than comments/opinions

… and my LGF account is generally kept separate from all, not that I particularly care or work hard at hiding my online identity but in general it’s not good to mix business & politics out in the real world.

Wow, now you’re scaring me.
So there are privacy issues…hmmm.

35 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:02:36pm

I posted this earlier this a.m. but for those who missed, I think it’s a great graphic of what is being attempted to stop the oil flow. I recommend going to Nola.com for more.

From NOLA

36 zora  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:10:36pm

Text of Obama’s Speech to U.Mich’s Class of 2010

Says Success of Democracy Not Preordained, and Is Built on Listening to Opposing Views, Practicing Civility

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

37 pharmmajor  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:14:26pm

re: #36 zora

Text of Obama’s Speech to U.Mich’s Class of 2010

Says Success of Democracy Not Preordained, and Is Built on Listening to Opposing Views, Practicing Civility

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

Democracy is built on listening to opposing views and practicing civility, eh? Well, that explains why the Dems and the GOP have failed in achieving a stable democracy so far (Hi-yo!)

38 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:17:20pm

re: #37 pharmmajor

Democracy is built on listening to opposing views and practicing civility, eh? Well, that explains why the Dems and the GOP have failed in achieving a stable democracy so far (Hi-yo!)

I think our democracy is stable. Really. There is another vote this November.

39 Donna Ballard  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:19:35pm

RWC’s on his way home and pic’s of the rally are forthcoming. I’m gonna log off so he can get right to work.

Ooops, new update, he’s gonna stop for lunch first. Type to you all later, Keep Laughing! ;-)

40 allegro  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:20:04pm

This is cool.

JOIN US ON THE STEPS OF THE TEXAS CAPITOL IN AUSTIN
Sunday, May 16, 2010 ~ 11:00 AM

A religious-right faction dominating the Texas Board of Education is trying to distort the content of public school textbooks. This revisionist history includes downplaying or eliminating mention of Enlightenment thinkers including Thomas Jefferson, more emphasis on religious themes and figures (theocrats like John Calvin!), and even attacks on Darwinian evolution. These religious extremists wish to turn our public schools into pulpits for sectarian preaching and an authoritarian social and cultural agenda.

Their actions could affect the content of school texts in nearly two-dozen other states as well!

We urge you to join us for a peaceful assembly on the steps of the Texas State Capitol in Austin to protest this outrage, and to express support of teaching solid science, balanced history and facts over sectarian religious dogmatism. Stop the Texas Textbook Massacre!

41 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:22:19pm

LAPD says crowd at immigrant rights rally is orderly and may be much smaller than anticipated

Los Angeles police officials said the size of the crowd at Saturday’s immigrant rights rally downtown may be significantly less than the anticipated 100,000 people.

But police were reluctant to give an early estimate of the number of demonstrators, who are voicing their protests about a tough new immigration law in Arizona that allows police to check the legal status of people they believe are in the state illegally.

LAPD Cmdr. Andy Smith said that so far there have been no arrests and no reports of injuries at the rally. He said the entire department was on full deployment.

Smith said some officers were working at their divisions and would be called upon should the march get out of hand. A ground force of uniform officers on foot, bicycles and motorcycles, as well as in plain clothes, were making patrols.

“We have a strong contingency of officers surrounding the march,” Smith said. ” So far everyone’s doing a good job of policing themselves.”

42 prairiefire  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:23:59pm

re: #29 Locker

A quick way to check the information exposed by facebook is to visit this site:

[Link: zesty.ca…]

Thanks. I checked my stuff and it is all blocked. My husband blocked everything on Facebook. Now I need to check my daughter’s name.

43 darthstar  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:25:01pm

Ah…Half Moon Bay Brewery…hefeweizen in hand, dogs had their burger (reward for having fun on the beach), and I had my prawn quesaduilla…life is good.

Gorgeous day today, by the way.dogs had their burger(reward

44 ~Fianna  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:27:11pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

I think our democracy is stable. Really. There is another vote this November.

That’s what they want you to think.

///

45 darthstar  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:27:36pm

Hm…googly-phone screwed up and I typed part of that twice

46 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:28:16pm

re: #40 allegro

Some of those people on the TBE are scary.

47 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:30:55pm

Cool!

A massive blizzard is raging on Saturn — a storm so large and fierce NASA astronomers and amateur skywatchers can see it from Earth.

SPACE photo

48 allegro  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:30:58pm

re: #46 pingjockey

Some of those people on the TBE are scary.

At least. I would sincerely enjoy watching them be brought up on child abuse charges, because this is the end result of their madness.

49 pharmmajor  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:31:18pm

How Many More Are Innocent?
America’s 250th DNA exoneration raises questions about how often we send the wrong person to prison.

Read it here: [Link: reason.com…]

50 Ericus58  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:31:30pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Obama takes direct aim at anti-government rhetoric

I agree with him.

I didn’t like angry and harsh and anti-government rhetoric when Bush was President, and I don’t like it now.

If I may quote some of Obama’s words:

But Obama was direct in urging both sides in the political debate to tone it down. “Throwing around phrases like ‘socialists’ and ‘Soviet-style takeover,’ ‘fascists’ and ‘right-wing nut’ — that may grab headlines,” he said. But it also “closes the door to the possibility of compromise. It undermines democratic deliberation,” he said.

“At its worst, it can send signals to the most extreme elements of our society that perhaps violence is a justifiable response.”

Passionate rhetoric isn’t new, he acknowledged. Politics in America, he said, “has never been for the thin-skinned or the faint of heart. … If you enter the arena, you should expect to get roughed up.”

Obama hoped the graduates hearing his words can avoid cynicism and brush off the overheated noise of politics. In fact, he said, they should seek out opposing views.

His advice: If you’re a regular Glenn Beck listener, then check out the Huffington Post sometimes. If you read The New York Times editorial page the morning, then glance every now and then at The Wall Street Journal.

“It may make your blood boil. Your mind may not be changed. But the practice of listening to opposing views is essential for effective citizenship,” he said.”

Commendable, well spoken.

51 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:31:32pm

re: #25 pharmmajor

When it is or borders on inciting violence then it is crossing a line, but the people need to be willing to speak up against the government, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican in power.

I don’t disagree.
But folks need to use what’s rational and sane.
Not just throw out epithets, which is what I see happening quite often.

52 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:32:19pm

re: #48 allegro
Something like that. Stupidity above and beyond the call, gross asshattery, there are just no limits to what those morons want to do.

53 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:33:11pm

re: #32 Spare O’Lake

I watched the Obama speech to the graduating class on TV this morning - an excellent, inspirational message and a first-rate delivery. Although not necessarily reported this way, the message I heard was clearly bipartisan and was directed at all political debate, not just anti-government rhetoric.

I agree.

54 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:35:15pm

Heh, “My Darling Clementine on TCM and a Gregory Peck western on AMC.

55 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:36:32pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

I posted this earlier this a.m. but for those who missed, I think it’s a great graphic of what is being attempted to stop the oil flow. I recommend going to Nola.com for more.

From NOLA

Oh, hell!
Those leaks aren’t even close to each other, that stuff is spread out all over the place!

I wonder if there’s anything they could do to get that formation to collapse in on itself? That would stop it.

56 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:38:09pm

re: #50 Ericus58

If I may quote some of Obama’s words:

But Obama was direct in urging both sides in the political debate to tone it down. “Throwing around phrases like ‘socialists’ and ‘Soviet-style takeover,’ ‘fascists’ and ‘right-wing nut’ — that may grab headlines,” he said. But it also “closes the door to the possibility of compromise. It undermines democratic deliberation,” he said.

“At its worst, it can send signals to the most extreme elements of our society that perhaps violence is a justifiable response.”

Passionate rhetoric isn’t new, he acknowledged. Politics in America, he said, “has never been for the thin-skinned or the faint of heart. … If you enter the arena, you should expect to get roughed up.”

Obama hoped the graduates hearing his words can avoid cynicism and brush off the overheated noise of politics. In fact, he said, they should seek out opposing views.

His advice: If you’re a regular Glenn Beck listener, then check out the Huffington Post sometimes. If you read The New York Times editorial page the morning, then glance every now and then at The Wall Street Journal.

“It may make your blood boil. Your mind may not be changed. But the practice of listening to opposing views is essential for effective citizenship,” he said.”

Commendable, well spoken.

I swear, this is why I love LGF. Opposing views, while they sometimes piss me off if I disagree, do open my mind. And…that was the goal!

57 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:38:17pm

re: #49 pharmmajor

How Many More Are Innocent?
America’s 250th DNA exoneration raises questions about how often we send the wrong person to prison.

Read it here: [Link: reason.com…]

A high percentage of these are capital cases. I don’t have any kind of fundamental moral problem with killing per se—-I would cheerfully shoot most terrorists myself——but the application of the death penalty in this country is shaping up to be the worst scandal and disgrace since slavery.

We need an immediate moratorium on the death penalty, and a searching national examination of how, and why, so many innocents have wound up on death row despite supposedly iron-clad cases against them. In particular, prosecutorial immunity should be suspended for examples of egregious mis-conduct in death penalty cases.

58 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:38:50pm

re: #55 reine.de.tout
That’s a damn mess. The blowout preventer is 5000 feet down and if the rovs can’t do the job….

59 pharmmajor  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:39:49pm

re: #51 reine.de.tout

I don’t disagree.
But folks need to use what’s rational and sane.
Not just throw out epithets, which is what I see happening quite often.

Then is it acceptable if I advocate a non-violent overthrow of the government and the establishment of an anarcho-capitalist state? That’s rational, sane, and not relying on epithets.

60 allegro  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:40:55pm

re: #59 pharmmajor

Then is it acceptable if I advocate a non-violent overthrow of the government and the establishment of an anarcho-capitalist state? That’s rational, sane, and not relying on epithets.

Well, one outa three anyway…

61 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:41:16pm

re: #59 pharmmajor
AFAIK, there’s no law against advocating the “Non-violent” overthrow of the gov’t.

62 ~Fianna  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:42:10pm

re: #51 reine.de.tout

I don’t disagree.
But folks need to use what’s rational and sane.
Not just throw out epithets, which is what I see happening quite often.

I was talking with my husband the other night and we came to the conclusion that extremism is parthenogenic. If it weren’t for 9-11, we wouldn’t have the level of nativism here. If it weren’t for the tube bombings, the BNP wouldn’t be as popular as it is.

Each escalating reaction to someone else’s escalated reaction just ups the ante.

Everyone needs to tone it the frak down or someone’s going to get hurt.

63 ~Fianna  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:44:19pm

re: #59 pharmmajor

Then is it acceptable if I advocate a non-violent overthrow of the government and the establishment of an anarcho-capitalist state? That’s rational, sane, and not relying on epithets.

We have a non-violent overthrow of the government regularly scheduled every 2 years.

64 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:45:57pm

re: #59 pharmmajor

Then is it acceptable if I advocate a non-violent overthrow of the government and the establishment of an anarcho-capitalist state? That’s rational, sane, and not relying on epithets.

No.

?
If you think it’s rational and sane to advocate that, go for it.
I don’t.

What are you playing at?

65 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:46:14pm

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!

Barry Goldwater, 1964.

66 ~Fianna  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:47:09pm

re: #65 MandyManners

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!

Barry Goldwater, 1964.

I’ve always found that quote a bit disturbing.

67 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:47:33pm

re: #63 ~Fianna

We have a non-violent overthrow of the government regularly scheduled every 2 years.

Yes we do.
But no establishment of an anarcho-capitalist state.

I think pharmmajor has picked up I’m one of the righties on the board, and is trying to “catch” me in something.

68 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:48:13pm

re: #66 ~Fianna

I’ve always found that quote a bit disturbing.

I’ve not.

69 pharmmajor  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:48:48pm

re: #63 ~Fianna

We have a non-violent overthrow of the government regularly scheduled every 2 years.

No, that’s just a transfer of power between two oppressive forces based on the foolish concept of the “lesser of two evils”.

70 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:49:29pm

re: #65 MandyManners
I wonder what would’ve happened if Goldwater had been elected instead of LBJ? Would we have done a full scale nvasion of N. VN? Would we have blown billions on Great Society programs that didn’t work? Would he have been further right than RWR?

71 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:51:38pm

re: #62 ~Fianna

I was talking with my husband the other night and we came to the conclusion that extremism is parthenogenic. If it weren’t for 9-11, we wouldn’t have the level of nativism here. If it weren’t for the tube bombings, the BNP wouldn’t be as popular as it is.

Each escalating reaction to someone else’s escalated reaction just ups the ante.

Everyone needs to tone it the frak down or someone’s going to get hurt.

Whenever there is discontent or fearfulness, the ground is fertile for extremism. People are easily led, and the veneer of civilisation falls away very fast when people have something to fear, or are angry or discontent in general. During the recession in the 80s, when people were economically unsound, it was paralleled by a rise in neo-nazism. The original Nazis, of course, arose in the climate of postwar depression and national shame after WWI, and people sought someone to blame for their woes and a chance to recapture a sense of pride.

9/11 is not a direct cause of nativism and extremism today. Rather, it adds to the climate of fear and anger that extremism breeds in. Our economic troubles exacerbate this climate. But the true causative agent is the rhetoric spouted by crazy or irresponsible leaders. The naked manipulation of emotion that you get from FOX and Rush, deliberately making people more angry and more discontent just to get that emotional reaction - it’s not only irresponsible, it’s repulsive.

72 ~Fianna  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:51:43pm

re: #67 reine.de.tout

Yes we do.


But no establishment of an anarcho-capitalist state.

I think pharmmajor has picked up I’m one of the righties on the board, and is trying to “ca

tch” me in something.

Funny, I don’t really think of you as a “rightie”…

I was going to needle the anarcho-nonsense stuff in a bit.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

73 Varek Raith  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:52:31pm

re: #59 pharmmajor

Then is it acceptable if I advocate a non-violent overthrow of the government and the establishment of an anarcho-capitalist state? That’s rational, sane, and not relying on epithets.

Huh?

74 ~Fianna  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:53:16pm

re: #68 MandyManners

I’ve not.

I just don’t think that “extremism” in any context is a good thing.

75 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:53:26pm

General Quarters!

Youtube Video
76 Ericus58  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:53:59pm

OMG!
I think I’ve just had “C’mon everyone, let’s bring it in for a group hug!” moment here…
Thank you blueherron for the ding, that might have been my first from you - appreciate it.

In truth, my son at my urging registered here at LGF for just the reason SS spoke of in #56 -
“I swear, this is why I love LGF. Opposing views, while they sometimes piss me off if I disagree, do open my mind. And…that was the goal!”
He got a bit roughed up (heh) - but this is a great place for opinions and discussions, and why I visit.

77 allegro  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:54:42pm

re: #70 pingjockey

Would we have blown billions on Great Society programs that didn’t work?

Like the Civil Rights Act? Seriously?

78 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:54:51pm

re: #70 pingjockey

I wonder what would’ve happened if Goldwater had been elected instead of LBJ? Would we have done a full scale nvasion of N. VN? Would we have blown billions on Great Society programs that didn’t work? Would he have been further right than RWR?

I don’t know about the first two questions but, my knowledge of him is that he was not a SoCon. Well, Pres. Reagan wasn’t, either.

79 jaunte  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:55:46pm

“Extremism in the purchase of LGF Cookbooks is no vice.”
[Link: lgfcookbook.blogspot.com…]

80 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:55:51pm

re: #69 pharmmajor

No, that’s just a transfer of power between two oppressive forces based on the foolish concept of the “lesser of two evils”.

ROFLMAO!

81 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:56:01pm

re: #77 allegro
The Civil Rights Act was not a program that blew billions of dollars.

82 ~Fianna  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:56:37pm

re: #71 Renaissance_Man

Whenever there is discontent or fearfulness, the ground is fertile for extremism. People are easily led, and the veneer of civilisation falls away very fast when people have something to fear, or are angry or discontent in general. During the recession in the 80s, when people were economically unsound, it was paralleled by a rise in neo-nazism. The original Nazis, of course, arose in the climate of postwar depression and national shame after WWI, and people sought someone to blame for their woes and a chance to recapture a sense of pride.

9/11 is not a direct cause of nativism and extremism today. Rather, it adds to the climate of fear and anger that extremism breeds in. Our economic troubles exacerbate this climate. But the true causative agent is the rhetoric spouted by crazy or irresponsible leaders. The naked manipulation of emotion that you get from FOX and Rush, deliberately making people more angry and more discontent just to get that emotional reaction - it’s not only irresponsible, it’s repulsive.

Well put.

I think 9-11 did cause a sense of national xenophobia that is being exploited. The fear of the other is something that’s deep in the human consciousness and this really brought it out.

83 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:56:45pm

Oh, my stars. Millington Naval Base’s housing is flooded and they’ve evacuated about 2,000 people.

84 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:56:50pm

re: #78 MandyManners
Not a socon, no. I meant would Goldwater have pushed the Sovs harder than RWR did?

85 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:57:30pm

re: #83 MandyManners
My youngest brother went to electronics school there.

86 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:57:42pm

re: #71 Renaissance_Man

Whenever there is discontent or fearfulness, the ground is fertile for extremism. People are easily led, and the veneer of civilisation falls away very fast when people have something to fear, or are angry or discontent in general. During the recession in the 80s, when people were economically unsound, it was paralleled by a rise in neo-nazism. The original Nazis, of course, arose in the climate of postwar depression and national shame after WWI, and people sought someone to blame for their woes and a chance to recapture a sense of pride.

9/11 is not a direct cause of nativism and extremism today. Rather, it adds to the climate of fear and anger that extremism breeds in. Our economic troubles exacerbate this climate. But the true causative agent is the rhetoric spouted by crazy or irresponsible leaders. The naked manipulation of emotion that you get from FOX and Rush, deliberately making people more angry and more discontent just to get that emotional reaction - it’s not only irresponsible, it’s repulsive.

So, the Left has no dog in this hunt?

87 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:58:29pm

re: #77 allegro

Like the Civil Rights Act? Seriously?

The Civil Rights Act was not a social program.

88 Varek Raith  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:58:33pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Oh, my stars. Millington Naval Base’s housing is flooded and they’ve evacuated about 2,000 people.

Cue Naval Bases in Tennessee Jokes.
/

In all seriousness, everyone ok?

89 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:59:08pm

re: #81 pingjockey

The Civil Rights Act was not a program that blew billions of dollars.

GMTA

90 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 1:59:40pm

re: #84 pingjockey

Not a socon, no. I meant would Goldwater have pushed the Sovs harder than RWR did?

I have no idea.

91 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:00:00pm

re: #85 pingjockey

My youngest brother went to electronics school there.

My dad taught aviation electronics there years ago.

92 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:00:20pm

re: #86 MandyManners
Of course not. The current unpleasentness in the political theater is all Fox/Rush/Beck/and the VRWC fault.

93 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:01:29pm

re: #91 MandyManners
I never figured out why that base was there. Unless it was leftover after WWII. There’s not a Naval Air station close is there?

94 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:01:37pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

Cue Naval Bases in Tennessee Jokes.
/

In all seriousness, everyone ok?

It’s a naval air base. I’ve just got off the phone with my cousin. Several levies in West Tennessee have been breached. Massive, wide-spread flooding. Motorists along I-40 are being rescued by boat.

95 Varek Raith  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:01:51pm

re: #94 MandyManners

It’s a naval air base. I’ve just got off the phone with my cousin. Several levies in West Tennessee have been breached. Massive, wide-spread flooding. Motorists along I-40 are being rescued by boat.

Oy.

96 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:02:42pm

re: #91 MandyManners
How long ago? That’s what my bro was, an Aviation electronics tech. He would’ve been to school in ‘83 or ‘84.

97 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:02:54pm

re: #92 pingjockey

Of course not. The current unpleasentness in the political theater is all Fox/Rush/Beck/and the VRWC fault.

Olbermann, Maher, Stewart, Colbert, et al are not on the scene dishing from the other side?

98 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:03:05pm

re: #94 MandyManners
Holy crap!

99 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:03:06pm

re: #68 MandyManners

I’ve not.

“Give me liberty or give me death” was a much better way to say what Goldwater meant. The ends do not always justify the means.

100 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:03:44pm

re: #92 pingjockey

Of course not. The current unpleasentness in the political theater is all Fox/Rush/Beck/and the VRWC fault.

And, don’t you forget it.

101 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:03:57pm

re: #97 Taqyia2Me
Not according to some people. Those folks are the voice of moderation or humor.

102 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:04:02pm

re: #93 pingjockey

I never figured out why that base was there. Unless it was leftover after WWII. There’s not a Naval Air station close is there?

It is a NAS.

103 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:04:32pm

re: #96 pingjockey

How long ago? That’s what my bro was, an Aviation electronics tech. He would’ve been to school in ‘83 or ‘84.

This was in the late 60s.

104 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:04:56pm

re: #102 MandyManners
Aha. I was a surface sailor, not airdale.

105 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:05:26pm

re: #98 pingjockey

Holy crap!

Turn on the Weather Channel. It’s a huge mess. And, it’s not over. Rain is expected for another 24 hours. Jackson got a foot within 24 hours.

106 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:05:47pm

re: #103 MandyManners
Okay. I swear, if I was at the Derby, I’d miss it. They take as long as the Super Bowl to kick off!

107 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:06:01pm

re: #101 pingjockey

Not according to some people. Those folks are the voice of moderation or humor.

Ah yes, the much vaunted, highly touted ‘some people’ demographic!

108 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:06:07pm

re: #99 Spare O’Lake

“Give me liberty or give me death” was a much better way to say what Goldwater meant. The ends do not always justify the means.

I didn’t get that impression.

109 Varek Raith  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:06:34pm

What the….
Can I ask a favor?

Does CNN.com look all messed up on anyone else’s browser (FF)?

110 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:06:46pm

re: #97 Taqyia2Me

Olbermann, Maher, Stewart, Colbert, et al are not on the scene dishing from the other side?

You forgot The Tingler.

111 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:07:34pm

re: #92 pingjockey

Of course not. The current unpleasentness in the political theater is all Fox/Rush/Beck/and the VRWC fault.

They certainly drive the RW conversation. I do hear their “theories” spouted all the time, verbatim.

But for both sides:

When you paint the opposition as something extreme, you are not able to negotiate with them. When the opposition has to provide proof against the outrageous outrage, time is lost.

112 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:07:48pm

re: #107 Taqyia2Me
Some people on this site. The left is never, ever rabble rousing and FNC is the root of all evil.

113 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:08:02pm

re: #104 pingjockey

Aha. I was a surface sailor, not airdale.

Dad useta’ fly up to the Soviets’ radar thingies, make them ping and then high-tail it back to Newfoundland.

114 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:08:24pm

re: #106 pingjockey

Okay. I swear, if I was at the Derby, I’d miss it. They take as long as the Super Bowl to kick off!

It was sopping wet today.

115 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:08:32pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea
What is that damn quote about the speed of a lie vs the speed of the truth?

116 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:08:48pm

re: #107 Taqyia2Me

Ah yes, the much vaunted, highly touted ‘some people’ demographic!

…often up to the same nefarious ends as the highly touted “they” ;)

117 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:09:15pm

re: #110 MandyManners

You forgot The Tingler.

Heh, hard to believe he once upon a time subbed for Rush Limbaugh.

118 Varek Raith  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:09:23pm

Ruh roh…
I brokes mah browzer!
BBIAB.

119 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:09:25pm

re: #115 pingjockey

What is that damn quote about the speed of a lie vs the speed of the truth?

a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants…

120 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:09:37pm

re: #113 MandyManners
That is playing chicken big boy style. We used to do the same thing, except with 8000 ton ships.

121 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:09:40pm

re: #117 Taqyia2Me

Heh, hard to believe he once upon a time subbed for Rush Limbaugh.

In bed.

122 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:09:50pm

bbiab

123 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:09:59pm

re: #115 pingjockey

What is that damn quote about the speed of a lie vs the speed of the truth?

Can’t pull up quick - but it’s so freaking true.

124 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:10:00pm

re: #119 Aceofwhat?
Thank You!

125 jaunte  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:10:05pm

re: #119 Aceofwhat?

Seems like the truth ought to go without pants.

126 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:10:24pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea
See Ace #119

127 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:11:09pm

re: #115 pingjockey

What is that damn quote about the speed of a lie vs the speed of the truth?

Here’s only one of them - there are more.

A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on

128 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:11:16pm

re: #125 jaunte

Seems like the truth ought to go without pants.

or at least commando, right?

129 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:11:50pm

Okay, they’re singing the Nat’l Anthem at the Derby.

130 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:12:18pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

Here’s only one of them - there are more.

A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on

yeah, i think that one is more popular, but i like the mental image of the truth in its boxers looking around like ‘WTF…?’

131 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:12:24pm

The track is fit for mud bogs.

132 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:12:54pm

re: #130 Aceofwhat?

yeah, i think that one is more popular, but i like the mental image of the truth in its boxers looking around like ‘WTF…?’

My mental image is better.

133 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:14:05pm

re: #129 pingjockey

Okay, they’re singing the Nat’l Anthem at the Derby.

We’ll find out if there’s a mudder or two in the field.

134 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:14:32pm

re: #133 Taqyia2Me

We’ll find out if there’s a mudder or two in the field.

who you rooting for?

135 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:15:24pm

Students protest sculpture

The stupid, it burns…..

A group of conservative Texas Tech students on Thursday launched a campaign to rid campus of a six-year-old piece of artwork.

Tech’s chapter of the Young Conservatives of Texas is rallying against a public sculpture dating back to 2004 titled “Tornado of Ideas,” claiming it depicts a liberal bias that does not accurately reflect the values of most Red Raiders.

Located between the school’s Student Union Building and library, the sculpture consists of several dozen bronze books with titles, alphabet letters and small figurines swirling through a tornado.

According to a university brochure, the tornado symbolizes the force that can result from the clash of polarized opinions.

“It’s supposed to be about controversy,” said Joe Arredondo, chairman of the public art subcommittee for Tech’s campus. “Their protest is perfectly apropos. It’s unfortunate that somebody is so conservative they don’t believe in the open exchange of ideas. Me, I’m saying, ‘Protest. Please.’ That’s what the sculpture is about.”

Tom Otterness, the sculpture’s creator who couldn’t be reached for comment Thursday, says in the brochure he wants his work to provoke “conversation between strangers.” He also said all sculptures should provide “a site for public debate.”

“Everybody’s entitled to their opinion,” said Jeff Morris, chairman of the group who organized the rally. “But the fact of the matter is you should have something that supports Texas Tech.”

Books in the tornado range from Charles Darwin’s evolution mainstay “On the Origin of Species” to the Bible and Quran to the autobiography of Malcolm X.

Among the cartoonish figurines is a Masked Rider on horseback holding a jousting lance to a police-uniformed figurine lying on its stomach without pants.

“That’s sodomy to me,” Morris said. “That’s not pro-Texas Tech. If you’re going to spend $142,000 on a statue, it should support Texas Tech.”

The group claims a separate pair of embracing, anatomically correct female figures depicts lesbianism.

“Don’t you have to have penetration for sodomy?” Arredondo asked. “I don’t know anything about it being sodomy. And just because two women are embracing, does that make them lesbians?”

The young conservatives also questioned what they see as an imbalance of liberal-to-conservative ideals conveyed through the book titles.

Some of the titles even condone seditious or criminal acts, Morris said. He pointed to “Soul on Ice” by Eldridge Cleaver, a former Black Panther activist who the group claims once endorsed the rape of white women as a viable form of rebellion.

“To me, that doesn’t support Texas Tech,” Morris said. “That book shouldn’t be on there.”

Picture

136 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:15:27pm

re: #72 ~Fianna

Funny, I don’t really think of you as a “rightie”…

I was going to needle the anarcho-nonsense stuff in a bit.


Not really sure what I am anymore. But generally I lean right.

and ah, Atlas Shrugs … maybe pharmmajor thought I’m a big fan or something. So many young ‘uns read that, are greatly impressed, and then come to their senses as they mature.

137 Varek Raith  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:15:42pm

That was odd. Gremlins must be messing with mah browzer.
:shrugs:

138 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:16:30pm

re: #120 pingjockey

That is playing chicken big boy style. We used to do the same thing, except with 8000 ton ships.

Oh, the tales he can tell! He also flew in sub-hunters.

139 RogueOne  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:16:38pm

re: #109 Varek Raith

What the…
Can I ask a favor?

Does CNN.com look all messed up on anyone else’s browser (FF)?

Yes, it’s full of stupid shit but I think it’s intentional. I could be wrong.

140 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:16:49pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

who you rooting for?

No horses or jockeys injured, truth be told.

141 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:17:04pm

re: #79 jaunte

“Extremism in the purchase of LGF Cookbooks is no vice.”
[Link: lgfcookbook.blogspot.com…]

Glad you’re on the job!

Folks:
Mother’s Day is upon us!

And for moms who love to cook, plus like art and a bit of fun:

Reality Bites - Volume 2 of the LGF Readers Cookbook.

142 Varek Raith  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:17:15pm

re: #139 RogueOne

Yes, it’s full of stupid shit but I think it’s intentional. I could be wrong.

:P

143 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:17:19pm

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel
What in hell have those kids been drinking? That is just stupid.

144 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:18:55pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

who you rooting for?

Have you got a favorite?

145 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:19:01pm

re: #138 MandyManners
Heh. You can tell it’s a sea story(big, embellished story) if it starts with “this is a real no shitter”

146 Varek Raith  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:19:27pm

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

Rofl…

147 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:19:33pm

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

“Everybody’s entitled to their opinion,”

AIYEEE!

A plural pronoun for a singular antecedent???

*whimper*

148 b_sharp  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:19:36pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

Cool!

SPACE photo

All I can say is - global warming

149 Ericus58  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:19:37pm

re: #143 pingjockey

What in hell have those kids been drinking? That is just stupid.

Actually, I don’t think they’ve drunk enough….

And on that note, I bid farewell for now.

150 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:19:51pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

That was odd. Gremlins must be messing with mah browzer.
:shrugs:

Ah, just shoot it.

151 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:20:42pm

re: #145 pingjockey

Heh. You can tell it’s a sea story(big, embellished story) if it starts with “this is a real no shitter”

His are air stories. I do like the story about getting knocked around by a water-spout.

152 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:20:46pm

re: #147 MandyManners

AIYEEE!

A plural pronoun for a singular antecedent???

*whimper*

actually, it’s technically correct. one of my favorite tricks for speaking about a poster in third person when i don’t know their gender is to discuss what they have said.

tricky, eh???

153 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:20:51pm

re: #147 MandyManners

AIYEEE!

A plural pronoun for a singular antecedent???

*whimper*

But it’s honestly hard to know what to do anymore.
One may use the fomerly all-encompassing, but now considered sexist “his”.

Or garble the sentence with “his/her”.

154 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:21:19pm

re: #140 Taqyia2Me

No horses or jockeys injured, truth be told.

NBC right? I see ladies with hats now, pre-race filler?

155 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #149 Ericus58

Actually, I don’t think they’ve drunk enough…

And on that note, I bid farewell for now.

A stiff shot of tequila wouldn’t do them any harm. It might clear the Palin tea and Beck kool-aid out of their systems.

156 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:21:31pm

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

actually, it’s technically correct. one of my favorite tricks for speaking about a poster in third person when i don’t know their gender is to discuss what they have said.

tricky, eh???

Just don’t ever call me “Dude”.
And I’ll be happy.

157 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:21:55pm

re: #151 MandyManners
Sea story as in told by a sailor. Sorry, should’ve explained better. Knocked around by a water spout, huh?!

158 Stanley Sea  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:22:00pm

re: #144 Taqyia2Me

Have you got a favorite?

No! Have not paid attention. But, longshots are always great.

159 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:22:20pm

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

actually, it’s technically correct. one of my favorite tricks for speaking about a poster in third person when i don’t know their gender is to discuss what they have said.

tricky, eh???

Then you turn the antecedent into a plural, such as “people” or “all” or whatever.

160 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:22:22pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

Just don’t ever call me “Dude”.
And I’ll be happy.

whatever you say, girlfriend;)

161 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:22:51pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

But it’s honestly hard to know what to do anymore.
One may use the fomerly all-encompassing, but now considered sexist “his”.

Or garble the sentence with “his/her”.

Say “people” or “all” or “many”.

162 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:23:27pm

re: #160 Aceofwhat?
“Don’t call me Shirley”

163 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:23:28pm

re: #157 pingjockey

Sea story as in told by a sailor. Sorry, should’ve explained better. Knocked around by a water spout, huh?!

Damn-near didn’t survive.

164 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:23:36pm

re: #161 MandyManners

Say “people” or “all” or “many”.

Excellent point.

165 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:23:38pm

re: #159 MandyManners

Then you turn the antecedent into a plural, such as “people” or “all” or whatever.

IIRC, it’s not necessary. What that poster said…i may or may not agree with them.

Like that.

166 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:25:06pm

re: #163 MandyManners
I would think so. A waterspout is basically a tornado at sea. Wind speed isn’t as high on land, but you still have serious up/down drafts and other turbulence.

167 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:25:27pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

Just don’t ever call me “Dude”.
And I’ll be happy.

I’m now called “Momma’-G” around here.

168 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:25:53pm

family time - bbl!

169 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:25:58pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

Excellent point.

Thank you.

170 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:26:28pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea

No! Have not paid attention. But, longshots are always great.

Long shot would be what I was betting today, for sure…

171 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:27:12pm

re: #165 Aceofwhat?

IIRC, it’s not necessary. What that poster said…i may or may not agree with them.

Like that.

Yes, it is necessary. Plural pronouns require plural antecedents. It’s the same as using a plural verb for a plural subject.

172 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:27:14pm

re: #167 MandyManners

I’m now called “Momma’-G” around here.

Momma G?

173 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:27:33pm

re: #166 pingjockey

I would think so. A waterspout is basically a tornado at sea. Wind speed isn’t as high on land, but you still have serious up/down drafts and other turbulence.

He mentioned that the rivets were popping out.

174 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:28:03pm

re: #172 reine.de.tout

Momma G?

It’s something to do with a Rap singer or song or something. I don’t know. I just grin and bear it.

175 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:28:40pm

re: #174 MandyManners

It’s something to do with a Rap singer or song or something. I don’t know. I just grin and bear it.

LOL.
OK.
Sometimes that’s what you’ve gotta do.

176 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:28:52pm

re: #172 reine.de.tout

Momma G?

He also calls me his “Homie” or “Homes” or “Home-girl”.

177 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:29:25pm

re: #173 MandyManners
Ha! Had that happen on a routine helicopter flight to an aircraft carrier. The flight crew said it was no big deal. A big deal would be if the hydraulic system quit leaking fluid!

178 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:29:48pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

LOL.
OK.
Sometimes that’s what you’ve gotta do.

I figure it’s a phase.

179 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:30:24pm

re: #112 pingjockey

Some people on this site. The left is never, ever rabble rousing and FNC is the root of all evil.

FOX is not the root of all evil. Rush predates FOX by some years.

In all seriousness, though, when pointing out deplorable actions and behaviour of those on one side of politics, I think it unnecessary to equivocate every point by adding unrelated material just so more blame can be added to both sides. That’s not ‘fair and balanced’. That’s a sop to partisans who can’t see past anything other than ‘my side, their side, if my side is bad their side must be just as bad or worse’. Being intellectually honest requires that one is not blind to the behaviour of either side of politics, not that one has to seek for equivalency in everything.

There is a distinction between agitating and lowering the level of political discourse, and flagrant conspiracymongering to subvert the democratic process. The former is reprehensible, but the second is something that should be condemned by all who love freedom, no matter your political persuasion. FOX and the Conservative cult media have crossed that line to the latter. They are no longer just firebreathing agitators in the mould of Olbermann or Bill Maher, they have joined Alex Jones and Orly Taitz in the mudpit. And I think it’s obvious that there is a considerable difference between the mindless rantings that Glenn Beck dumps onto the republic every day, and the politically biased satire that someone like Jon Stewart peddles.

The ‘left’, whatever they may be, is not immune to rabble-rousing. But insisting on a false equivalency is not honest either.

180 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:30:33pm

re: #177 pingjockey

Ha! Had that happen on a routine helicopter flight to an aircraft carrier. The flight crew said it was no big deal. A big deal would be if the hydraulic system quit leaking fluid!

Reason No. 1,850 that I don’t get higer off the ground than I can land without breaking something.

181 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:31:19pm

re: #176 MandyManners

He also calls me his “Homie” or “Homes” or “Home-girl”.

This is the kid doing this?
It is of course a phase.

Had to go to school with Daughter yesterday for some sort of senior event. I went to the bathroom, lots of moms and daughters in there. Anyhow, I was on my way out, and heard ‘MOM!” Which I ignored, as I said, plenty of girls and their moms in there. Then I heard my name called out - I had not seen my daughter come and she couldn’t get my attention with “Mom!”, so she just used my name.

182 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:32:02pm

re: #180 MandyManners

Reason No. 1,850 that I don’t get higer off the ground than I can land without breaking something.

You and me, both.

183 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:33:48pm

re: #179 Renaissance_Man
Okay, so there is no one on the other side of the aisle that approaches FNC/Rush/Beck for the level of vitriol? No one at HuffPo/Err America/ or any one else pushes the way those 3 I mentioned do?

184 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:36:50pm

re: #183 pingjockey

Okay, so there is no one on the other side of the aisle that approaches FNC/Rush/Beck for the level of vitriol? No one at HuffPo/Err America/ or any one else pushes the way those 3 I mentioned do?

I’d have to add Gore, Kennedy, Reid, Durbin and Murtha to the left’s pundit base since we are talking grave disservice to our great country.

185 ~Fianna  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:37:48pm

re: #136 reine.de.tout

Not really sure what I am anymore. But generally I lean right.

and ah, Atlas Shrugs … maybe pharmmajor thought I’m a big fan or something. So many young ‘uns read that, are greatly impressed, and then come to their senses as they mature.

I’ve never been able to get through it. Or the Fountainhead, either.

I feel like I should read them, but they’re just so damn bad.

I’m not a huge fan of the libertarian hit-parade, actually. I also found Moon is a Harsh Mistress unreadable and had to force myself to get through Stranger in a Strange Land.

186 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:39:00pm

re: #181 reine.de.tout

This is the kid doing this?
It is of course a phase.

Had to go to school with Daughter yesterday for some sort of senior event. I went to the bathroom, lots of moms and daughters in there. Anyhow, I was on my way out, and heard ‘MOM!” Which I ignored, as I said, plenty of girls and their moms in there. Then I heard my name called out - I had not seen my daughter come and she couldn’t get my attention with “Mom!”, so she just used my name.

He’s tried using my first name before. It didn’t fly.

Lately he’s been trying to get me to play Rap on my car’s stereo. I tell him that he can play whatever he wants on his car’s stereo.

187 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:43:38pm

re: #184 Taqyia2Me
According to RM, those folks don’t approach the level of discontent that Rush/FNC/Beck cause.

188 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:44:11pm

re: #183 pingjockey

Okay, so there is no one on the other side of the aisle that approaches FNC/Rush/Beck for the level of vitriol? No one at HuffPo/Err America/ or any one else pushes the way those 3 I mentioned do?

There certainly isn’t anyone with the same level of exposure or influence on the national stage. Nor would I agree that ‘the left’, whoever that is, makes up stories to anywhere near the same level. Sure, there’s going to be some dishonesty with the facts and playing semantics to hide the truth. Yes, there’s quite probably some subtle political bias in the wording of various media. That’s been part of human communication since time immemorial. And none of it even remotely compares to claiming the government is trying to assassinate you, claiming that government logos are hidden signs of a Muslim agenda, or claiming that environmentalists blew up an oil rig so federal SWAT teams could take over oil companies.

189 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:45:29pm

re: #184 Taqyia2Me

I’d have to add Gore, Kennedy, Reid, Durbin and Murtha to the left’s pundit base since we are talking grave disservice to our great country.

He’s dead, Jim.

190 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:46:31pm

re: #188 Renaissance_Man

Gore, Kennedy, Reid, Durbin and Murtha.

191 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:47:36pm

re: #184 Taqyia2Me

I’d have to add Gore, Kennedy, Reid, Durbin and Murtha to the left’s pundit base since we are talking grave disservice to our great country.

Those are elected politicians. If you want to describe them as traitors who have done a disservice to this country, that’s all well and good, but comparing them to pundits, journalists and shock jocks is hardly an appropriate comparison.

192 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:48:12pm

re: #189 MandyManners

He’s dead, Jim.

He was alive when he performed a grave disservice to this great country, all for fleeting partisan political gain.

193 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:48:54pm

re: #189 MandyManners

He’s dead, Jim.

That’s what he meant by a “grave disservice.”

194 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:49:15pm

re: #188 Renaissance_Man
Who claimed the gov’t was trying to assainate them? I heard the rumor about the sabotage from a lefty co-worker the day after the fire, he thought the greens did it to stop the drilling plan! Hadn’t heard the one about messages hidden in Logos.

195 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:51:43pm

re: #191 Renaissance_Man

Those are elected politicians. If you want to describe them as traitors who have done a disservice to this country, that’s all well and good, but comparing them to pundits, journalists and shock jocks is hardly an appropriate comparison.

The fawning editorial and punditorial treatment those still alive from that mix still receive speaks volumes to me. You cannot unring a bell.

196 MandyManners  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:52:48pm

Gotta’ check on the roast beast.

197 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:53:53pm

NBC is still screwing around, milking the tv time for the race. DAYUM!

198 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:54:49pm

re: #194 pingjockey

Who claimed the gov’t was trying to assainate them? I heard the rumor about the sabotage from a lefty co-worker the day after the fire, he thought the greens did it to stop the drilling plan! Hadn’t heard the one about messages hidden in Logos.

Glenn Beck regularly claims and hints that the government is trying to assassinate him. Rush and Mark Levin were first to the fray with claims about environmentalists blowing up oil rigs and SWAT team takeovers of the government - in fact, they were featured in a diary here yesterday. And FOX has hinted at secret Muslim symbols in government logos not once, but twice.

199 pingjockey  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:58:07pm

re: #198 Renaissance_Man
Good Lord! IMO, Glen Beck has some “issues” he should get some therapy for. I can’t believe Rush would buy into the vast pool of conspiracies about the oil fire. Sheesh. I hadn’t heard about Sekret Muslim logos in gov’t symbols. That, right there is just silly.

200 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:58:19pm

re: #198 Renaissance_Man

Glenn Beck regularly claims and hints that the government is trying to assassinate him. Rush and Mark Levin were first to the fray with claims about environmentalists blowing up oil rigs and SWAT team takeovers of the government - in fact, they were featured in a diary here yesterday. And FOX has hinted at secret Muslim symbols in government logos not once, but twice.

Yes, whacked out crazy spew sucks!

201 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 1, 2010 2:59:26pm

re: #195 Taqyia2Me

The fawning editorial and punditorial treatment those still alive from that mix still receive speaks volumes to me. You cannot unring a bell.

You may well disagree with their statements as politicians, and find them loathsome and disgusting people. That’s fine. An element of political bias is always going to be present, because that’s the nature of their job. Certainly they will present the facts of any story with a slant to their side, because all politicians have done that since time immemorial.

However, they are still only presenting stories with a slant. If you can find any examples of them making up stories out of whole cloth, as the Conservative cult media is wont to do nowadays, that’s another thing entirely. Furthermore, if you want to start looking at the rhetoric of actual politicians, I have not heard of any of those men calling for revolutions, or hinting at secession, as indeed you hear nowadays on the Republican side.

202 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 1, 2010 3:04:10pm

re: #201 Renaissance_Man

“The war is lost” and Haditha come to mind.
But, to reiterate, you are absolutely correct to condemn the foul rhetoric you are pointing out, and I agree with you.

203 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 1, 2010 3:28:17pm

re: #202 Taqyia2Me

“The war is lost” and Haditha come to mind.
But, to reiterate, you are absolutely correct to condemn the foul rhetoric you are pointing out, and I agree with you.

Good of you to say. I carry no water for Democrats, nor do I have any allegiance. I just don’t think there’s a real equivalency going on. And while there was no doubt an increase in leftist crazy rhetoric during the Bush years, I really don’t think there was anything resembling the organised, highly fantastical stream of misinformation that we currently see.


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