Times Square Evacuated in Car Bomb Scare

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A crude car bomb made of propane, gasoline, and fireworks failed to detonate last night in Times Square. No suspects have been identified yet, but from all accounts the device was an amateurish pile of junk.

At 6:28 p.m., Mr. Kelly said, a video surveillance camera recorded what was believed to be the dark green Nissan S.U.V. driving west on 45th Street.

Moments later, a T-shirt vendor on the sidewalk saw smoke coming out of vents near the back seat of the S.U.V., which was now parked awkwardly at the curb with its engine running and its hazard lights on. The vendor called to a mounted police officer, the mayor said, who smelled gunpowder when he approached the S.U.V. and called for assistance. The police began evacuating Times Square, starting with businesses along Seventh Avenue, including a Foot Locker store and a McDonald’s.

Police officers from the emergency service unit and firefighters flooded the area and were troubled by the hazard lights and running engine, and by the fact that the S.U.V. was oddly angled in the street. At this point, a firefighter from Ladder 4 reported hearing several “pops” from within the vehicle. The police also learned that the Pathfinder had the wrong license plates on it.

Members of the Police Department’s bomb squad donned protective gear, broke the Pathfinder’s back windows and sent in a “robotic device” to “observe” it, said Deputy Commissioner Paul J. Browne, the police department’s chief spokesman.

Inside, they discovered three canisters of propane like those used for barbecue grills, two five-gallon cans of gasoline, consumer-grade fireworks — the apparent source of the “pops” — and two clocks with batteries, the mayor said. He said the device “looked amateurish.”

Mr. Browne said: “It appeared it was in the process of detonating, but it malfunctioned.”

Bomb squad officers also discovered a two-by-two-by-four-foot metal box — described as a “gun locker” — in the S.U.V. that was taken to the Police Department’s firing range at Rodman’s Neck in the Bronx to be destroyed, Mr. Kelly said. It was not immediately known what, if anything, was inside it.

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406 comments
1 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:34:55am

Thank you NYPD.

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:36:03am

Catch the fuckers. Send ‘em to Supermax.

3 sngnsgt  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:36:14am

Good work by the New York Police Department.

4 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:37:43am

re: #3 sngnsgt

Good work by the New York Police Department.

And by the vendor who first saw something odd and called it in. New York City’s plans for this kind of thing worked very well last night. Now, we need to find out who did this and why.

5 Teh Flowah  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:38:47am

This doesn’t sound like any organized terrorist group at all. Waaaay too amateur.

And what kind of idiot leaves the hazard lights on… That’s like a big “INVESTIGATE ME”

6 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:40:03am

Just got a message from a friend down at the New York USO..

Him and a few friends are doing the great American road trip, including New York City. So the plan for last night was a show. The particular show they were going to see was at 45th and broadway… Guess where the bomb was found?

According to him the police were great, and we’re all very thankful things turned out the way they did. Kudos to everyone from the vendor, to the NYPD to the citizens for staying calm.

7 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:43:38am

Of course it proves nothing but apparently the “devise” was similar to the one used in Galsgow…

8 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:47:01am

re: #7 brookly red

Of course it proves nothing but apparently the “devise” was similar to the one used in Galsgow…

It’s something to be investigated, to be sure. But nothing has been proven as of yet, other than the fact that this bomb was set to kill and main as many people as possible, but thanks to the NYPD it hurt no one.

9 juanita  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:47:55am

There’s a group claiming it:

youtube.com

10 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:48:09am

re: #7 brookly red

Of course it proves nothing but apparently the “devise” was similar to the one used in Galsgow…

That was my thought too. I’m also not placated by the fact that the bomb looked amateurish. Appearances can be deceiving but what’s important is that the bomb failed to detonate.

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:48:19am

re: #7 brookly red

Of course it proves nothing but apparently the “devise” was similar to the one used in Galsgow…

Which could indicate that a similar or connected group did it—or that some amateur-hour punk read a lot of press coverage about bombs.

Hopefully, the NYPD will have everyone in custody shortly, and they can explain then.

12 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:48:25am

re: #7 brookly red

I wonder if this is just one of the ‘internet recipes’ that are fairly easy to access? Something that definitely needs to be looked into.

13 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:49:26am

re: #9 juanita

I’d give more credible to that claim if it was called in before, IRA style… otherwise who doesn’t want to be the coolest warlord on the block?

14 jaunte  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:49:54am

re: #10 Killgore Trout

That was my thought too. I’m also not placated by the fact that the bomb looked amateurish. Appearances can be deceiving but what’s important is that the bomb failed to detonate.

Another similarity:

The bomb design appears to be at least loosely similar to two car bombs which failed to go off during an attempted London attack in June 2007. Somewhat eerily, those bombs were planted near Piccadilly Circus—the heart of a theater and entertainment district, the closest thing London has to Times Square.
blog.newsweek.com
15 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:50:10am

As Lawhawk pointed out this morning.. The Tee-Shirt vendor was a Vietnam Vet…We need to reward him as a hero for saving many lives and property..
Mayor B. please do something for him.

16 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:51:20am

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #12 McSpiff

I am guessing that there will be check points similar to those around Wall street popping up like mushrooms now…

17 [deleted]  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:52:20am
18 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:54:13am

re: #9 juanita

There’s a group claiming it:

[Link: www.youtube.com…]

I’d take that with a grain of salt. They were the first to put out a video but I don’t think Pakistan’s leading bomb maker put this together. A professional would be more likely to get an explosion.

19 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:55:27am

I am waiting for Rush to blame it on Obama trying to distract attention from his bungled handling of the oil spill catastrophe…

20 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:56:44am

re: #19 ralphieboy

I am waiting for Rush to blame it on Obama trying to distract attention from his bungled handling of the oil spill catastrophe…

I’m waiting for Obama to blame it on British Petroleum trying to distract attention from his bungled handling of the oil spill catastrophe…

21 [deleted]  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:57:27am
22 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:57:34am

re: #15 HoosierHoops

As Lawhawk pointed out this morning.. The Tee-Shirt vendor was a Vietnam Vet…We need to reward him as a hero for saving many lives and property..
Mayor B. please do something for him.

I wonder if he’s still considered to be in the Inactive Reserves. Some vets are. If so, I’d favor a Silver Star for him.

23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:57:43am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

I’m waiting for Obama to blame it on British Petroleum trying to distract attention from his bungled handling of the oil spill catastrophe…


Really, if Obama is not in the position to clean up another company’s oil spills, he has no business being president

/

24 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:57:44am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

I’d take that with a grain of salt. They were the first to put out a video but I don’t think Pakistan’s leading bomb maker put this together. A professional would be more likely to get an explosion.

I would bet on home grown types like the bunch that just got caught trying to bomb the subways… of course no proof but that is my bet.

25 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:58:36am

re: #23 ralphieboy

Really, if Obama is not in the position to clean up another company’s oil spills, he has no business being president

/

My statement is not any more stupid than your unsubstantiated piece of bullshit hyperbole.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:58:53am

re: #19 ralphieboy

I am waiting for Rush to blame it on Obama trying to distract attention from his bungled handling of the oil spill catastrophe…

Unlike that Rush will say that. The terror issue tends to favor Republicans. No matter what Obama says or does, this event would be unlikely to benefit him.

27 Nimed  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:59:33am

…from all accounts the device was an amateurish pile of junk.

Yet another hint that we’re not dealing with geniuses here.

For a long time, there was a tendency in our press to match the horror of terrorist acts and intentions with imaginary fantastic capabilities, vast resources, omniscient global networks, etc.

Remember the London Times, Rumsfeld and the Al-Qaeda’s luxurious underground resorts?
Youtube Video

(40 seconds video)
“It’s a very sophisticated operation!”
“Oh, you bet.”

28 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:00:26am

re: #24 brookly red

I would bet on home grown types like the bunch that just got caught trying to bomb the subways… of course no proof but that is my bet.

Concur. The question is: Which group of home grown loons did this, and are there more of them waiting to strike.

29 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:00:51am

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Don’t be so sure. If Obama can quickly shutdown a terror cell in the US, that will certainly sway some security minded independents.

30 sagehen  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:02:56am

re: #29 McSpiff

Don’t be so sure. If Obama Holder and/or Napolitano can quickly shutdown a terror cell in the US, that will certainly sway some security minded independents.

ftfy

31 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:03:05am

re: #24 brookly red

I would bet on home grown types like the bunch that just got caught trying to bomb the subways… of course no proof but that is my bet.

They found a VIN number! The full weight and power of the United States Government is now on the Trail….Who ever done this is on the run. LEO’s will catch him soon.

32 [deleted]  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:03:58am
33 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:04:16am

re: #30 sagehen

Yes. Praise goes up hill while shit rolls down ;-)

34 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:04:20am

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Unlike that Rush will say that. The terror issue tends to favor Republicans. No matter what Obama says or does, this event would be unlikely to benefit him.

lots of political hay to be made, just think what will happen if the person(s) responsible is in the country illegally? or on the other hand a militia member? or even a Cowboys fan? The spin potential is unlimited.

35 [deleted]  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:05:03am
36 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:05:04am

re: #32 MandyManners

Not if the car was stolen.


I had a car stolen once..Took em 2 hours to find the guy and put him in jail..

37 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:05:11am

re: #31 HoosierHoops

They found a VIN number! The full weight and power of the United States Government is now on the Trail…Who ever done this is on the run. LEO’s will catch him soon.

pity the poor sucker who’s car was stolen…

38 [deleted]  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:05:50am
39 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:05:54am

re: #34 brookly red

lots of political hay to be made, just think what will happen if the person(s) responsible is in the country illegally? or on the other hand a militia member? or even a Cowboys fan? The spin potential is unlimited.

I’ll be honest: I’m hoping this was an Islamist. That would be best politically for you and I.

40 vinnievin  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:06:31am

this just in …

pipe bomb detonated near end of Pittsburgh Marathon Finish Line.

kdka.com

41 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:06:33am

re: #37 brookly red

pity the poor sucker who’s car was stolen…

Hopefully it’s the actual perp, who thought he got rid of the vin.

42 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:07:30am

re: #36 HoosierHoops

I had a car stolen once twice..Took em 2 hours to find the guy and put him in jail..


Whoops!
A 53 Nash Ambassador and a BMW..Never found the Nash

43 tnguitarist  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:07:35am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

I’ll be honest: I’m hoping this was an Islamist. That would be best politically for you and I.

Well, that was cynical.

44 Nimed  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:07:54am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

I’ll be honest: I’m hoping this was an Islamist. That would be best politically for you and I.

May I ask why?

45 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:07:57am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

I’m hoping for some weird cross over group, that combines the tea parties, illegal immigrants and Islamic, so no one gets any political benefit out of a near tragedy. Disgraceful DF.

46 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:08:36am

re: #41 Stanley Sea

Hopefully it’s the actual perp, who thought he got rid of the vin.

maybe… but it was reported that the plates did not match the SUV.

47 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:09:36am

re: #43 tnguitarist

Well, that was cynical.

re: #44 Nimed

May I ask why?

Speaking for myself, I would rather find out it was some one with radical foreign political and religious proclivities than a American of any political persuasion… wouldn’t you?

48 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:10:32am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Why? Do American bombs kill more people?

49 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:10:35am

re: #40 vinnievin

this just in …

pipe bomb detonated near end of Pittsburgh Marathon Finish Line.

[Link: kdka.com…]

coincidence?

50 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:11:25am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Speaking for myself, I would rather find out it was some one with radical foreign political and religious proclivities than a American of any political persuasion… wouldn’t you?

/no real Ameri… never mind.

51 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:11:55am

re: #48 McSpiff

Why? Do American bombs kill more people?

I’m not wasting my time answering an asinine question like that. You know what I was implying… hyperbole doesn’t look good on you.

52 Nimed  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:12:59am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Speaking for myself, I would rather find out it was some one with radical foreign political and religious proclivities than a American of any political persuasion… wouldn’t you?

I guess. But that is not a political reason, and is also not for Dark Falcon and Brookly Red specifically. The sentence was “That would be best politically for you and I”.

BTW, I was really asking. I’m new here.

53 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:14:00am

re: #52 Nimed

I guess. But that is not a political reason, and is also not for Dark Falcon and Brookly Red specifically. The sentence was “That would be best politically for you and I”.

BTW, I was really asking. I’m new here.

i took it as “i hope it’s not some crazy right-wing loon”.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:14:15am

re: #44 Nimed

May I ask why?

Yes. They are foreign and outside of the American political spectrum, thus they are clear enemies to all. The most likely domestic groups would likely carry media blowback onto conservatives.

55 tnguitarist  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:14:31am

re: #52 Nimed

Some people think a terrorist attack benefits conservatives no matter what. That’s my guess.

56 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:14:42am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

I’m not wasting my time answering an asinine question like that. You know what I was implying… hyperbole doesn’t look good on you.

Honestly I’d rather this be a lone nut, a unabomber wannabe that can be quickly arrested in the United States, as opposed to group with foreign backing. Anytime its externalized like that it makes it much harder for law enforcement. But apparently that’s not politically desirable for some here.

57 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:14:54am

re: #53 Aceofwhat?

i took it as “i hope it’s not some crazy right-wing loon”.

That’s what I was saying.

58 tnguitarist  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:15:50am

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

That’s what I was saying.

I stand corrected.

59 kirkspencer  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:15:51am

I’m going to guess the police are a lot closer to capturing the people than they’re letting on.

The VIN plate was removed. I doubt, however, that the serial numbers on things like engine block, axles, transmission, and so forth were filed off.

Propane tanks also have serial numbers, and they may have been purchased instead of being stolen. Even if stolen, it narrows the search.

I’m still more than a little suspicious of the claim of nothing on any cameras. There are webcams on almost every corner nearby for tourism. When driving in, he had to pass one of: Broadway and 46th; Broadway and 7th; 46th and 7th; or 45th and Avenue of the Americas. As for leaving, he parked near the corner of 45th and Broadway (or 7th, they’re really close) which means he’s near restaurants and theaters and electronics (camera) stores, not to mention the tourism webcams.

Basically, I think we’re going to see more on this real soon now. When we do we’ll be able to do more than lash out at our particular favorite villain.

60 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:16:18am

re: #56 McSpiff

Honestly I’d rather this be a lone nut, a unabomber wannabe that can be quickly arrested in the United States, as opposed to group with foreign backing. Anytime its externalized like that it makes it much harder for law enforcement. But apparently that’s not politically desirable for some here.

It’s not politically desirable for anyone if this is a American with some gripe with the government… is it?

61 reidr  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:18:52am

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Unlike that Rush will say that. The terror issue tends to favor Republicans. No matter what Obama says or does, this event would be unlikely to benefit him.

Not to pick on you, DF, I do agree with you, but…. It’s sad that every event like this has to be seen through a political prism. It is what it is. Let’s just hope it’s handled appropriately (and there’s no reason to think it won’t be).

62 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:18:55am


National Enquirer Obama Story Update: Retracts Hotel Surveillance Claim

Drudge still hasn’t updated his headline. Idiot.

63 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:19:01am

re: #56 McSpiff

Honestly I’d rather this be a lone nut, a unabomber wannabe that can be quickly arrested in the United States, as opposed to group with foreign backing. Anytime its externalized like that it makes it much harder for law enforcement. But apparently that’s not politically desirable for some here.

there’s nothing wrong with hoping that an American didn’t do this. i find that sentiment quite relatable, actually.

64 freetoken  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:19:18am

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Yes. They are foreign and outside of the American political spectrum, thus they are clear enemies to all.

Umm…. what if it be an American “Islamist”? You overlooked that one.

65 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:19:22am

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

It’s not politically desirable for anyone if this is a American with some gripe with the government… is it?

My point is simply that its much easier to stop a domestic group, especially a lone wolf, than a foreign group like Al Quida. So when Dark_Falcon and yourself say you’d rather it be a foreign Islamist group for political reasons, it makes things much harder on law enforcement to be able to quickly arrest and shut these guys down. So no, I don’t hope its a group beyond the reach of the FBI/NYPD. I’d rather we not need to deal with the Saudis again, even if apparently that’s better for American Solidarity/The Right.

66 jvic  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:20:45am

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Yes. They are foreign and outside of the American political spectrum, thus they are clear enemies to all. The most likely domestic groups would likely carry media blowback onto conservatives.

DF, I always read you with respect, but I wish you’d left out the last sentence (whether or not it happens to be correct).

67 Nimed  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:21:49am

Politically, I’m hoping Jay Leno was the mastermind. Everybody seems to hate nowadays, anyway. We could probably all get behind this.

68 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:23:16am

re: #64 freetoken

Umm… what if it be an American “Islamist”? You overlooked that one.

No, home-grown Islamists are still outside the political spectrum. They are part of a foreign totalitarian movement with no political friends here.

69 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:23:36am

re: #65 McSpiff

My point is simply that its much easier to stop a domestic group, especially a lone wolf, than a foreign group like Al Quida. So when Dark_Falcon and yourself say you’d rather it be a foreign Islamist group for political reasons, it makes things much harder on law enforcement to be able to quickly arrest and shut these guys down. So no, I don’t hope its a group beyond the reach of the FBI/NYPD. I’d rather we not need to deal with the Saudis again, even if apparently that’s better for American Solidarity/The Right.

I never brought up right or left… did I. You’re preference has been noted…

70 Nimed  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:24:15am

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

That’s what I was saying.

It’s disheartening to see the general lack of confidence in left-wing loons nowadays.

71 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:24:41am

Armed Nazis complete with swastikas show up in support of Arizona’s spiffy new law….
Thanks, but no thanks…


Maricopa County Attorney candidate Bill Montgomery got a dose of un-wanted support when a handful of neo-Nazis showed up at Montgomery’s news conference Friday morning claiming they were there to back Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
The members of the National Socialist Movement, decked out in riot gear and wearing rifles slung over their shoulders, said they were there to “support Sheriff Joe’s candidate for County Attorney,” according to ringleader J.T. Ready.
Montgomery was appalled at their presence and tried to get the men to leave.
Arpaio was at the news conference to voice his support for Montgomery.
Ready went on to say that, in addition to their political activity, the neo-Nazis came armed and prepared to fight “illegals”.
“We’re not going to stand idly by while we’re genocided (sic) off our country,” Ready said. “We’re being displaced.
Ready was once seen as a semi-legitimate political candidate in the east Valley, until he shot at someone holding a BB gun in 2006, derailing his candidacy for Mesa City Council.
Since then he’s become a fixture in a radical arm of the anti-illegal immigration movement that politicians try to shy away from.

Here’s the Pic: s.azcentral.com

72 reidr  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:24:52am

re: #62 Killgore Trout


National Enquirer Obama Story Update: Retracts Hotel Surveillance Claim

Drudge still hasn’t updated his headline. Idiot.

Retractions go uphill, smears roll down!

73 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:25:14am

re: #70 Nimed

It’s disheartening to see the general lack of confidence in left-wing loons nowadays.

now that’s just funny stuff right there. well done!

74 jvic  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:26:44am

re: #70 Nimed

It’s disheartening to see the general lack of confidence in left-wing loons nowadays.

Hey, socialism erodes competence… ;-)

75 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:27:08am

Pakistani Taliban claims responsibility on a website for the NY car bomb.
- BBC

76 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:27:28am

dang. kid loading dishwasher…glass bowl shattered. sometimes i think it’s more work now than when she was too young to have chores…but they don’t learn to work on their own.

bbiab

77 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:29:00am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Armed Nazis complete with swastikas show up in support of Arizona’s spiffy new law…
Thanks, but no thanks…

Here’s the Pic: [Link: s.azcentral.com…]

Elwood: Arizona Nazis….

Jake: I Hate Arizona Nazis!

78 jvic  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:29:28am

re: #75 Spare O’Lake

Pakistani Taliban claims responsibility on a website for the NY car bomb.
- BBC

I react to that with anger.

Had there been deaths, I would have reacted with fury.

Am I representative of the country as a whole? I don’t know.

79 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:29:36am

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

Dark_Falcon did. But nice try at redirection.


Look, domestic terrorists get caught, the entire organization gets taken down. McVeigh, Unabomber, etc. Even when the body count is 0, the FBI almost always finds the perp.

Foreign attacks that don’t result in large loss of life, like the WTC ‘93 bombing result in the domestic field team being arrested, but it leaves behind the masterminds in Pakistan and elsewhere. Even after 9/11 that resulted in huge loss of life, we’re still hunting the involved parties.

So I will put forward that regardless of political orientation, it would be in the best interest of everyone here that the person or group involved be purely domestic. Now, if you’re willing to count an entirely America based Islamist group as non-domestic, then fine. I will agree that that case might be best for everyone, as opposed to a perp falling somewhere on the left/right spectrum.

80 wrenchwench  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:29:50am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Armed Nazis complete with swastikas show up in support of Arizona’s spiffy new law…
Thanks, but no thanks…

Here’s the Pic: [Link: s.azcentral.com…]

But you can’t blame them. They’re terrified by the skyrocketing crime rate, driven by illegal….wait, what?

Violence is not up on Arizona border despite Mexican drug war

Oh.

Never mind.

81 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:30:00am

re: #75 Spare O’Lake

Pakistani Taliban claims responsibility on a website for the NY car bomb.
- BBC

They may just be blowing smoke, but I wouldn’t be shocked if this was one of their supporters.

82 Ojoe  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:30:50am

The device maybe was amateurish, but the evil intent was as serious as you can get.

83 Ojoe  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:31:37am

re: #78 jvic

I harbor a cold fury to this day for 9-11.

84 Ojoe  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:32:26am

re: #49 brookly red

Not. IMHO.

85 What, me worry?  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:33:42am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Armed Nazis complete with swastikas show up in support of Arizona’s spiffy new law…
Thanks, but no thanks…

Here’s the Pic: [Link: s.azcentral.com…]

When the chubby Nazis got your back, it may be time to rethink the whole idea.

86 Ericus58  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:34:28am

re: #83 Ojoe

I harbor a cold fury to this day for 9-11.

nymag.com

Days of Terror: A Photo Gallery

87 Ericus58  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:35:06am

re: #85 marjoriemoon

When the chubby Nazis got your back, it may be time to rethink the whole idea.

*snicker*

88 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:36:47am

Here’s a good article in the NY Daily News about the 2 guys who first saw the vehicle.

NY Daily News

89 Renaissance_Man  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:36:54am

re: #75 Spare O’Lake

Pakistani Taliban claims responsibility on a website for the NY car bomb.
- BBC

You’d think that whoever did this would be hiding and desperately hoping nobody ever learns who would be so pathetically amateur. I mean, seriously, what’s the message here? ‘Fear our hopeless incompetence, Great Satan! Next time we won’t leave the hazard lights on!’

90 darthstar  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:37:35am

Are people actually more concerned about the political value of this than the fact that some asshole tried to set off a car bomb in Times Square?

91 webevintage  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:39:13am

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

You’d think that whoever did this would be hiding and desperately hoping nobody ever learns who would be so pathetically amateur. I mean, seriously, what’s the message here? ‘Fear our hopeless incompetence, Great Satan! Next time we won’t leave the hazard lights on!’

That’s what I was thinking.
“Just you wait till next time!!!!!!1111!!!!”

92 sngnsgt  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:39:38am

Fox News just said fingerprints have been discovered and are under investigation.

93 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:40:00am

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

You’d think that whoever did this would be hiding and desperately hoping nobody ever learns who would be so pathetically amateur. I mean, seriously, what’s the message here? ‘Fear our hopeless incompetence, Great Satan! Next time we won’t leave the hazard lights on!’

It is the “next time” that bothers me…

94 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:41:06am

re: #92 sngnsgt

Fox News just said fingerprints have been discovered and are under investigation.

The article posted above about the two guys who saw the vehicle, said that there were approx 10-15 keys hanging from the ignition.

95 tnguitarist  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:41:50am

re: #94 Stanley Sea

The article posted above about the two guys who saw the vehicle, said that there were approx 10-15 keys hanging from the ignition.

On a Hello Kitty key chain.//

96 darthstar  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:42:12am

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

You’d think that whoever did this would be hiding and desperately hoping nobody ever learns who would be so pathetically amateur. I mean, seriously, what’s the message here? ‘Fear our hopeless incompetence, Great Satan! Next time we won’t leave the hazard lights on!’

Parking tickets are expensive…

97 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:42:45am

re: #92 sngnsgt

Fox News just said fingerprints have been discovered and are under investigation.

One would expect fingerprints should be in any and all vehicles
Could be anyones

the legitimate owners, his/her spouse, kids, friends, relatives, co-workers, mecahnoc who worked on the car, auto factory workers that assembled the car, the sales man that sold the car

98 tnguitarist  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:43:57am

re: #97 sattv4u2

It was parked in Times Square. Could be anyone’s.

99 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:43:59am

re: #94 Stanley Sea

The article posted above about the two guys who saw the vehicle, said that there were approx 10-15 keys hanging from the ignition.

Sounds like my own key ring. Keys, plus two auto lock devices, various store loyalty tags, a garage door opener

100 webevintage  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:44:36am

BTW, thanks for all the prayers and good thoughts last night.
The storms were not as bad as predicted and we only spent about 30 min in the storm shelter last night.
It was a very scary 2 days…

101 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:45:10am

re: #98 tnguitarist

It was parked in Times Square. Could be anyone’s.

Thats my point. In that “fingerprints were found in/on the car” is insignifcant UNTIL all of them are cross referenced

102 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:45:32am

More:


On Sunday, police and F.B.I. officials were also investigating a 911 call placed at around 4 .a.m. on Sunday, several officials said. The caller, who one official said sounded intelligent, admonished the 911 dispatcher not to interrupt him until he was finished and then said there would be a massive explosion soon and the car in Times Square was only a diversion.

nytimes.com

103 darthstar  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:45:59am

re: #99 sattv4u2

Sounds like my own key ring. Keys, plus two auto lock devices, various store loyalty tags, a garage door opener

My keychain has a key to my car on it. I have house keys but I never use them as we don’t lock our house…

104 Ericus58  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:46:13am

Hunt for ‘Jason Bourne’ who kept arms cache in penthouse overlooking U.S. federal bank

dailymail.co.uk

“He escaped like Jason Bourne,’ said Deputy Chief Mike Downing of the LAPD Counter-terrorism Bureau, referring to the character played by Matt Damon in the hit film franchise based on the espionage thrillers by Robert Ludlum.

Police searched the apartment after Alexik vanished 11 days ago, uncovering a cache of weapons including an AK-47 assault rifle.

They also found sophisticated counterfeiting equipment and $15,000 in extremely accurate fake $100 banknotes.

Several different identifications, including passports, listed different aliases for him.

But what really piqued the interest of detectives was a camera tripod and the fact that the penthouse balcony had a perfect view of the building that houses the city’s Federal Reserve - the U.S. equivalent of the Bank of England.”

105 jaunte  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:46:19am

The Telegraph suggests a South Park connection:

The dark green Nissan Pathfinder with tinted windows was parked near the junction of 45th Street and Broadway.

The location is also adjacent to the Viacom building, fuelling speculation that it might be linked to the company’s controversial South Park cartoon which recently depicted Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit.
telegraph.co.uk

106 Sionainn  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:47:15am

re: #100 webevintage

BTW, thanks for all the prayers and good thoughts last night.
The storms were not as bad as predicted and we only spent about 30 min in the storm shelter last night.
It was a very scary 2 days…

I’ll bet! I’m glad you’re okay.

107 Nimed  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:47:21am

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

You’d think that whoever did this would be hiding and desperately hoping nobody ever learns who would be so pathetically amateur. I mean, seriously, what’s the message here? ‘Fear our hopeless incompetence, Great Satan! Next time we won’t leave the hazard lights on!’

Exactly. What’s up with the bragging? They should be embarrassed.

The problem is, you enlist in one of these organizations, you get a cushy job for life, and you just stop trying. This is the predictable result of a lousy HR policy.

108 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:47:40am

re: #101 sattv4u2

Thats my point. In that “fingerprints were found in/on the car” is insignifcant UNTIL all of them are cross referenced

Ahhh..When my Beemer got stolen they used finger prints to put the perp in Jail..

109 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:47:50am

re: #103 darthstar

My keychain has a key to my car on it. I have house keys but I never use them as we don’t lock our house

Three questions

Do you have a liquor cabinet
Is THAT locked
Whats your address!?!?

110 swamprat  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:48:29am

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

Somewhere in Ireland, an IRA member giggles.

111 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:48:30am

re: #100 webevintage

BTW, thanks for all the prayers and good thoughts last night.
The storms were not as bad as predicted and we only spent about 30 min in the storm shelter last night.
It was a very scary 2 days…

glad you’re ok!

112 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:48:38am

re: #108 HoosierHoops

Ahhh..When my Beemer got stolen they used finger prints to put the perp in Jail..

I’m sure they did. But to just say “they found fingerprints in the car” is in of itself unremarkable. I’m sure YOUR prints were in your Beemer

113 freetoken  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:48:46am

re: #107 Nimed

Exactly. What’s up with the bragging?

Free publicity. Until the actual perp is caught, anyone wanting their 15 minutes of fame can exploit this situation.

114 Renaissance_Man  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:48:52am

re: #107 Nimed

Exactly. What’s up with the bragging? They should be embarrassed.

The problem is, you enlist in one of these organizations, you get a cushy job for life, and you just stop trying. This is the predictable result of a lousy HR policy.

Must be a union thing. Or state-sponsored terrorism. The government never does anything right.

115 Jadespring  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:49:12am

Coyote just ran through my yard with a dead rabbit in it’s mouth. Chickens were standing within 30 feet of it’s path and looked up, “Errr say what?”

116 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:49:51am

re: #108 HoosierHoops

Ahhh..When my Beemer got stolen they used finger prints to put the perp in Jail..

btw - how did that happen? i thought the key had a microchip up its ass (heh) to prevent someone from hotwiring the car? or did they steal your key?

117 avanti  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:51:05am

New cult film coming. The guy thought he was making a horror movie, turns out to be a comedy.

“Birdemic: Shock and Terror”: Objectively, this is a terrible movie, but it’s not awful in the fashion of something like, say, “Cop Out.” Unless you’re a humorless film purist, “Birdemic” will probably have you in stitches, especially with an audience. We’ll take bumbling hilarity over soul-killing competence any day.”


Birdemic Trailer.

118 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:51:06am

re: #115 Jadespring

Coyote just ran through my yard with a dead rabbit in it’s mouth. Chickens were standing within 30 feet of it’s path and looked up, “Errr say what?”

Yikes. Might be time to invest in a good fence.

119 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:52:03am

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Yikes. Might be time to invest in a good fence.

Or develop a taste for coyote.

120 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:52:19am

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Yikes. Might be time to invest in a good fence.

Why ,, is he trying to move stolen merchandise!?!?

Oh ,, not THAT type of fence!! Shows you MY upbringing, huh!?!?!

121 Jadespring  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:52:59am

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Yikes. Might be time to invest in a good fence.

I herded them into their penned enclosure for safety. My dog warned me about the coyote which is why I happened to get up and go see what was going on. He’s my built in alarm system.

122 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:53:03am

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

Or develop a taste for coyote.

Do you have those around your house, Walter? I’ve seen them within a couple miles of mine.

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:53:36am

re: #115 Jadespring

Coyote just ran through my yard with a dead rabbit in it’s mouth. Chickens were standing within 30 feet of it’s path and looked up, “Errr say what?”

Coyote was saying, “Take that Elmer.”

124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:53:47am

re: #121 Jadespring

I herded them into their penned enclosure for safety. My dog warned me about the coyote which is why I happened to get up and go see what was going on. He’s my built in alarm system.

What kind of dog? Coyotes will attack many breeds of dog.

125 Reginald Perrin  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:54:13am

Why didn’t he stick around and claim his 77 virgins?
If he is an Islamic terrorist, he certainly doesn’t have a lot of faith in going to paradise as a reward for “martyrdom”.

126 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:54:37am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Do you have those around your house, Walter? I’ve seen them within a couple miles of mine.

Saw a huge one maybe 20 miles from my house not too long ago. Glad I was in the car.

127 jaunte  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:54:55am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

They seem to live everywhere. I’ve seen them near downtown Houston.

128 Jadespring  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:54:58am

Okay. It wasn’t a dead rabbit. The coyote is moving it’s babies. Now there’s a bunch of ducks, I’m amusing avoiding the coyote in my yard and hanging around the chickens.

129 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:55:09am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Do you have those around your house, Walter? I’ve seen them within a couple miles of mine.

We have bear, coyote, mountain cats, dear and fox… that would be the major bigger critters we get around here. The cats are the least seen, they don’t come around humans unless there is a real shortage of natural food or water.

130 Sionainn  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:55:36am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Do you have those around your house, Walter? I’ve seen them within a couple miles of mine.

I haven’t seen any in my neighborhood, but can sometimes hear them in the early morning hours.

131 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:56:09am

re: #104 Ericus58

That’s spooky.

132 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:56:17am

hmm,, don;t know if this has been mentioned, but on a somewhat (thread) related note

Pittsburgh Marathon course altered by bomb scare
Police say they have found an explosive device near the course of the Pittsburgh Marathon,

sports.yahoo.com

133 Jadespring  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:56:22am

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

What kind of dog? Coyotes will attack many breeds of dog.

German Shepherd

134 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:56:31am

OT, but another War-tech article…

Behind the scenes with the men who deploy airstrikes

135 Nimed  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:56:43am

re: #114 Renaissance_Man

Must be a union thing. Or state-sponsored terrorism. The government never does anything right.

Oh, definitely a union thing. I mean, 72 virgins for early retirement? Talk about a bloated pension system.

And people talk about GM.

136 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:56:50am

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

We have bear, coyote, mountain cats, dear and fox… that would be the major bigger critters we get around here. The cats are the least seen, they don’t come around humans unless there is a real shortage of natural food or water.

…and of course, as I have shown LGF the pictures, bears are the most aggressive, and plentiful.

137 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:56:53am

re: #125 Reginald Perrin

Why didn’t he stick around and claim his 77 virgins?
If he is an Islamic terrorist, he certainly doesn’t have a lot of faith in going to paradise as a reward for “martyrdom”.

Some Islamist bombers do use bombs set to blow after they leave the scene. He might see his “duty to the Jihad” [spits] as getting away to kill more infidels later.

138 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:57:02am

re: #126 McSpiff

Saw a huge one maybe 20 miles from my house not too long ago. Glad I was in the car.

What kind of car was HE in!?!

139 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:57:34am

re: #116 Aceofwhat?

btw - how did that happen? i thought the key had a microchip up its ass (heh) to prevent someone from hotwiring the car? or did they steal your key?

This is a great story..Last Winter I was warming up the car in the driveway..
And some dumb ass walking by in the cold decided to jack it…And drive it home…The police report was hilarious..He drove it home..parked it in his driveway and passed out in his bedroom…He wasn’t happy when the cops showed up.
Still needed the prints to convict cause he claimed he never drove it…
It’s a pretty funny story….The report says they knew it was stolen by him because after his girlfriend answered the door claiming innocence she shut the door and screamed upstairs, ’ Did you steal another car?’
That’s when Swat was called!
LOL

140 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:58:53am

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

…and of course, as I have shown LGF the pictures, bears are the most aggressive, and plentiful.

Not a surprise. Bears will come right up to houses to scavenge for food.

141 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:59:11am

re: #131 Killgore Trout

That’s spooky.

let me save you the time

He was a Ron Paul/Sarah Palin/Teaparty/ supporter, Fox News watching individual

142 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:59:12am

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

Not a surprise. Bears will come right up to houses to scavenge for food.

…and in houses.

143 Sionainn  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:59:29am

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

…and of course, as I have shown LGF the pictures, bears are the most aggressive, and plentiful.

I’ve missed your pictures, but man, that would scare me half to death living around bears. We’ve had a few young mountain lions come out of the mountains near my home.

144 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:59:40am

re: #133 Jadespring

German Shepherd

That’s breed that they’d be less likely to mess with, especially a female with her young.

145 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:00:09am

re: #141 sattv4u2

let me save you the time

He was a Ron Paul/Sarah Palin/Teaparty/ supporter, Fox News watching individual

Keith Olbermann, is that you?

//

146 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:00:18am

re: #141 sattv4u2

let me save you the time

He was a Ron Paul/Sarah Palin/Teaparty/ supporter, Fox News watching individual

You forgot Nazi.

147 Jadespring  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:00:24am

Oh my. It’s crazy time. Dogs going crazy barking at the coyote. Chickens in a stand-off with the ducks and clucking like crazy and coyote running back and forth across the back of the property carrying little coyotes.

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:00:26am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

That’s a breed that they’d be less likely to mess with, especially a female with her young.

PIMF

149 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:00:36am

re: #143 Sionainn

I’ve missed your pictures, but man, that would scare me half to death living around bears. We’ve had a few young mountain lions come out of the mountains near my home.

Just look at Walters avatar and in your mind add a bear, although the bear isn’t in a silk robe!

150 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:00:57am

re: #146 Walter L. Newton

You forgot Nazi.

middle aged white one, btw

151 Jadespring  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:01:16am

re: #147 Jadespring

Oh my. It’s crazy time. Dogs going crazy barking at the coyote. Chickens in a stand-off with the ducks and clucking like crazy and coyote running back and forth across the back of the property carrying little coyotes.

I REALLY need to get a video camera. I could make a wildlife movie.

152 Renaissance_Man  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:01:29am

re: #141 sattv4u2

let me save you the time

He was a Ron Paul/Sarah Palin/Teaparty/ supporter, Fox News watching individual

Surely not. Ronulans want to abolish the Federal Reserve, not steal its worthless paper. Why counterfeit money when you have GOLD!!!

153 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:01:43am

re: #143 Sionainn

I’ve missed your pictures, but man, that would scare me half to death living around bears. We’ve had a few young mountain lions come out of the mountains near my home.

Where do you live? If you wish to tell, that is.

154 Ojoe  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:02:26am

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

You’d think that whoever did this would be hiding and desperately hoping nobody ever learns who would be so pathetically amateur. I mean, seriously, what’s the message here? ‘Fear our hopeless incompetence, Great Satan! Next time we won’t leave the hazard lights on!’

The message is obviously “we want to kill as many of you as we can, and make you all afraid, and disrupt your lives.”

And I bet it comes out that whoever did it, wanted to kill “infidels”.

But we’ll see about that.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:02:57am

re: #154 Ojoe

The message is obviously “we want to kill as many of you as we can, and make you all afraid, and disrupt your lives.”

And I bet it comes out that whoever did it, wanted to kill “infidels”.

But we’ll see about that.

Quite Concur.

156 Sionainn  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:03:03am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

Where do you live? If you wish to tell, that is.

I’m in Las Vegas (Nevada).

157 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:03:06am

re: #147 Jadespring

Oh my. It’s crazy time. Dogs going crazy barking at the coyote. Chickens in a stand-off with the ducks and clucking like crazy and coyote running back and forth across the back of the property carrying little coyotes.

Photos!!!

158 Jadespring  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:03:22am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

That’s breed that they’d be less likely to mess with, especially a female with her young.

Yeah. The dogs stay in a fenced part of the yard and when they’re up on the deck they can see the whole back of the property. It’s like a guard tower.

They bark and tell me when somethings up. Sometimes it’s nothing but sometimes like today it really is something.

159 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:04:30am

re: #156 Sionainn

I’m in Las Vegas (Nevada).

Thanks. didn’t know the big cats were getting that close to the suburbs. That could be dicey at times, especially for dog owners. Mountain Loins will kill large dogs they find in their claimed territory.

160 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:04:53am

re: #143 Sionainn

I’ve missed your pictures, but man, that would scare me half to death living around bears. We’ve had a few young mountain lions come out of the mountains near my home.

I just checked, I don’t have the pic on my server space right now. I’ll remember to put it up and give you a link, sometime during this coming week.

161 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:05:28am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Only thing that makes sense at the moment

162 darthstar  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:05:54am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. didn’t know the big cats were getting that close to the suburbs. That could be dicey at times, especially for dog owners. Mountain Loins will kill large dogs they find in their claimed territory.

One of my dogs has Mountain Loins. He’ll mount anything he can get his paws on.

163 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:06:18am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. didn’t know the big cats were getting that close to the suburbs. That could be dicey at times, especially for dog owners. Mountain Lions will kill large dogs they find in their claimed territory.

PIMF [facepalm]

164 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:06:46am

re: #162 darthstar

I asked for that one. [groan]

165 Jadespring  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:07:24am

Gotta go and play with the animals.

166 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:07:24am

I have to work evening shift tonight, so, to nap… and it’s still 33 degrees (f) here and there is a 60 percent chance of snow this evening. Colorado Rockies in the springtime… snow and mud.

167 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:07:50am

re: #139 HoosierHoops

This is a great story..Last Winter I was warming up the car in the driveway..
And some dumb ass walking by in the cold decided to jack it…And drive it home…The police report was hilarious..He drove it home..parked it in his driveway and passed out in his bedroom…He wasn’t happy when the cops showed up.
Still needed the prints to convict cause he claimed he never drove it…
It’s a pretty funny story…The report says they knew it was stolen by him because after his girlfriend answered the door claiming innocence she shut the door and screamed upstairs, ’ Did you steal another car?’
That’s when Swat was called!
LOL

that is one of the best stories i’ve ever heard!

168 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:07:52am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

But you love it anyways

169 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:08:01am

re: #165 Jadespring

Gotta go and play with the animals.

Is that what you kids call it nowadays!?!?

170 sattv4u2  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:08:20am

re: #167 Aceofwhat?

that is one of the best stories i’ve ever heard!

You don’t read much, do ya!!
///

171 sngnsgt  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:08:21am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

Brrr, sleep well Walter…

172 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:08:22am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. didn’t know the big cats were getting that close to the suburbs. That could be dicey at times, especially for dog owners. Mountain Loins will kill large dogs they find in their claimed territory.

my mountain loins are dangerous too;)

173 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:08:57am

re: #162 darthstar

gmta(.5)

174 darthstar  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:10:13am

re: #173 Aceofwhat?

gmta(.5)

Fools seldom differ.

175 swamprat  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:10:30am

It seems that Al Aqaida is down to the Corky Romano-type members;

Uh Achmed?
Yeah?
You came from our London Office?
Yeah. I built the bomb and parked one of the cars. I was never caught!
Uh, the bomb that didn’t go off right, and the car that got towed?
Uh yeah.
You been working on something big this week?
Uh, yeah!
I saw the paper. Bad news guy.
GOTTA GO! EMERGENCY SOCCER PRACTICE! CATCH YOU LATER!!

176 Sionainn  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:10:53am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. didn’t know the big cats were getting that close to the suburbs. That could be dicey at times, especially for dog owners. Mountain Loins will kill large dogs they find in their claimed territory.

I’m right on the northern edge of town. The mountain lions usually stay up on the mountains. I think the speculation was that the ones we see have been booted out to find their own territory. I’ve no idea if that’s correct, but it sounds reasonable to me. There’s definitely more of a problem with coyotes getting in backyards and snatching small dogs.

177 Sionainn  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:11:25am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

I just checked, I don’t have the pic on my server space right now. I’ll remember to put it up and give you a link, sometime during this coming week.

I’m looking forward to it. Thanks!

178 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:12:52am

re: #176 Sionainn

I’m right on the northern edge of town. The mountain lions usually stay up on the mountains. I think the speculation was that the ones we see have been booted out to find their own territory. I’ve no idea if that’s correct, but it sounds reasonable to me. There’s definitely more of a problem with coyotes getting in backyards and snatching small dogs.

Sounds like a place where a gun is protection against more than just people.

179 reidr  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:13:16am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

I have to work evening shift tonight, so, to nap… and it’s still 33 degrees (f) here and there is a 60 percent chance of snow this evening. Colorado Rockies in the springtime… snow and mud.

I’m in New Mexico (7200 feet), and we were getting hammered with snow when I woke up this morning. Crazy…. Sun’s breaking through now, at least.

180 Sionainn  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:16:10am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like a place where a gun is protection against more than just people.

Eh, they don’t bother me any. I’ve got nothing in my yard for them to eat unless it’s a feral cat or neighbor’s cat that decides to come and use my kids’ huge sandbox as their litter box.

181 Ojoe  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:16:45am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Puma stopper

BBL

182 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:18:06am

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

I just nre: #143 Sionainn

Not your usual LA story but up in La Crescenta, up in our humble mountains, we have houses and wildlife. One day a friend was watching her three year old at the shallow end of the pool. Then as lithe and easy as can be a cougar hops over the wall and starts to get a drink from the deep end of the pool, looks up at mother and child and then goes right back over the wall. A few days later they got one of those glass walls put on top of the low wall like you see at beach houses.
Heh. Just think-
“Thunk” then “growl” Thirsty cougar goes looking for another water bowl.

183 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:19:33am

re: #181 Ojoe

My wrist hurts just looking at it! Even with the compensator.

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:19:44am

Watching a DVRd “Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking”.

So amazing. I wonder how much his ALS focused his mind on the “universal things”.

I have a friend who was diagnosed with ALS two months ago… already they’ve put in a feeding tube. His wife, (bless her heart) when asked how Jeff is doing, says, “Today is the best day of the rest of his life.”

185 Ojoe  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:20:42am

re: #183 Rightwingconspirator

Better use both hands

BBL really

186 [deleted]  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:23:09am
187 ausador  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:27:05am

I wonder if there is a correlation between the failed “amateurish” bomb attempts and the obvious idiocy of the wanna-be-martyrs and bombers of radical Islam?

It seems they are having a hard time getting educated people to blow themselves up, gee, I wonder why that is?

/

188 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:33:35am

Update on Pittsburgh pipe bomb scare:

Police say the device was found in a small microwave oven on the sidewalk after the leaders had finished the course Sunday morning. Police Lt. Kevin Kraus says several blocks were cordoned off near the original finish line for the marathon and half-marathon and police tried to reroute the race but eventually ended up delaying it for 10 to 12 minutes.

The bomb squad used a robot to disable the device, which Kraus says investigators now believe was not an actual explosive.



nbcsports.msnbc.com

189 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:34:14am

re: #188 Stanley Sea

It was probably a month old burrito.

190 What, me worry?  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:35:09am

re: #187 ausador

I wonder if there is a correlation between the failed “amateurish” bomb attempts and the obvious idiocy of the wanna-be-martyrs and bombers of radical Islam?

It seems they are having a hard time getting educated people to blow themselves up, gee, I wonder why that is?

/

heh… as long as no one is hurt, it gives us a chance to sharpen our security skills.

191 Racer X  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:39:04am

I’m betting the cops want no more of these things showing up. It appears to me this device was still dangerous as hell.

192 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:39:10am

re: #187 ausador

I wonder if there is a correlation between the failed “amateurish” bomb attempts and the obvious idiocy of the wanna-be-martyrs and bombers of radical Islam?

It seems they are having a hard time getting educated people to blow themselves up, gee, I wonder why that is?

/

here is an interesting article on the subject, if you’re interested.

from the abstract…

In this paper, we study the relation between human capital of suicide bombers and the outcomes of their suicide attacks. We will provide evidence that human capital is an important factor in the production of suicide terrorism, and that more able suicide bombers are more destructive when assigned to more important targets.

193 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:41:12am

More info is being released. The NYPD have a news conference scheduled shortly.

A law enforcement source tells CBS News that investigators have video showing someone exiting a vehicle that was left in Times Square Saturday evening filled with explosives.


cbsnews.com

194 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:42:37am

re: #191 Racer X

I’m betting the cops want no more of these things showing up. It appears to me this device was still dangerous as hell.

Quite Concur.

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:43:51am

re: #13 McSpiff

I’d give more credible to that claim if it was called in before, IRA style… otherwise who doesn’t want to be the coolest warlord on the block?

“First the IRA claimed responsibility, then the PLO, and then the British Gas and Electric Board.”

196 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:44:00am

Not to sound like a total prick, but…

“Bomb detonation? There’s an app for that”.

Seriously, an ipod touch in an area with stolen wifi + some simple electronics makes a hell of a lot more sense than alarm clocks and really long fuses guys…

//
Computer/Electrical engineering student. Statistically one of the most sought after degrees by terrorists. Or something.

197 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:45:43am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

My statement is not any more stupid than your unsubstantiated piece of bullshit hyperbole.

I was referring to Rush’s insinuation on his radio show that it could’ve been “environmental whackos” behind the bombing in order to sabotage offshore drilling…and Matt Drudge’s attempts to label the President’s response “Obama’s Katrina”.

If I launch unsubstantiated flights of bullshit hyperbole, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants…

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:47:08am

re: #21 MandyManners

Could this have been a dry run?

Possibly, except if it is the Usual Suspects, why? Or, at least, why do it with an actual device? If it had worked, they would have been golden. Now NYPD has the area locked down, making an actual attack about a bazillion times harder.

199 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:49:15am

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

Possibly, except if it is the Usual Suspects, why? Or, at least, why do it with an actual device? If it had worked, they would have been golden. Now NYPD has the area locked down, making an actual attack about a bazillion times harder.

and run the huge risk of being discovered, too. if the bomb was this crappy, the getaway can’t have been much more competent…

200 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:49:31am

re: #196 McSpiff

Seriously though, its amazing how much of engineering is essentially dual-use. As far as I can tell, reasonably smart people just aren’t that interested in terrorism.

201 lostlakehiker  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:54:38am

All this talk about hoping this or that about whodunnit is silly. Hopes of that sort are just blinkers. Any time the search for suspects gets tunnel vision, there’s the risk that the search will fail when it would have succeeded with a wider focus.

The case of the DC sniper is instructive. The authorities were very much hoping it was a McVeigh type situation. They discounted eyewitness reports pointing the other way. Fixating on Islamist suspects runs the risk that this time, it really is a wannabe McV. Either way, we lose when we let hope channel our search.

202 swamprat  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:54:44am

It must not be easy running a terror cell in New York, from Pakistan

Three propane tanks, a can of gasoline, and a dozen cherry bombs! I gave you 1,400 dollars for supplies, your room was paid for, and you had 500 dollars for transportation PLUS we supplied a car!

America is an amazing place, sir.

How so?

They have these things called lottery tickets. And these women who come right up to your car, with their wrists completely exposed… and other things showing too! And they know about chemicals more powerful than ammonium nitrate or nitro…

You idiot! You shall be stoned!

Uh, actually…nevermind. I have to go. I have a massage at 3.

Achmed don’t hang up! Don’t…!
sigh…he got further than the last seven tries. New York is a heartless monster that just eats up jihadis. I must go there. I saw what happened to my predecessor.
I will instruct the body-tenders to leave the smile.

203 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:55:36am

re: #199 Aceofwhat?

and run the huge risk of being discovered, too. if the bomb was this crappy, the getaway can’t have been much more competent…

Not necessarily. The skills to make an effective getaway are more widespread and easier to practice than making a bomb. Some could make a poor bomb but still be able to make an effective exit.

204 [deleted]  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:55:45am
205 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:57:45am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

Not necessarily. The skills to make an effective getaway are more widespread and easier to practice than making a bomb. Some could make a poor bomb but still be able to make an effective exit.

hmmm…i don’t know. i’m thinking that someone with the brains to plot a way to not be identified or tracked down after this would have also had the brains to set about 10 of these off somewhere remote until they got the hang of it…

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:58:28am

re: #97 sattv4u2

One would expect fingerprints should be in any and all vehicles
Could be anyones

the legitimate owners, his/her spouse, kids, friends, relatives, co-workers, mecahnoc who worked on the car, auto factory workers that assembled the car, the sales man that sold the car

If they can find the owner, though, they’ll be able to rule out a number of them.

207 reidr  Sun, May 2, 2010 11:59:48am

re: #189 Stanley Sea

It was probably a month old burrito.

I’ve had them go off inside me, it ain’t pretty… more of a small-scale chem/bio WMD thing, so it’s all the more serious.

208 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:00:08pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

If they can find the owner, though, they’ll be able to rule out a number of them.

I hope the key ring provides the best clue!! If only it were that simple, and they were that dumb.

209 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:02:35pm

So they left the device parked close to the entrance to Viacom.
Matt and Trey, you naughty boys…. look what you started.//

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:04:05pm

re: #175 swamprat

It seems that Al Aqaida is down to the Corky Romano-type members;

Uh Achmed?
Yeah?
You came from our London Office?
Yeah. I built the bomb and parked one of the cars. I was never caught!
Uh, the bomb that didn’t go off right, and the car that got towed?
Uh yeah.
You been working on something big this week?
Uh, yeah!
I saw the paper. Bad news guy.
GOTTA GO! EMERGENCY SOCCER PRACTICE! CATCH YOU LATER!!

It’s the French Jihadis that al-Zarkawi used to bitch about in his guest posts to Iowahawk.

211 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:04:06pm

re: #21 MandyManners
The Islamoterror boyz are notorious for their flawed detonation devices.
Thank heavens.
Re dry run,…. they are always doing those, at least on the airlines.

212 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:04:53pm

re: #207 reidr

I’ve had them go off inside me, it ain’t pretty… more of a small-scale chem/bio WMD thing, so it’s all the more serious.

Nothing more than a methane release. The primary concern for you is the resulting AGW contribution. You should plant a tree to balance things out. ;)

213 Racer X  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:05:12pm

OT:

I sign up for the local police department’s e-newsletter. Every week they send an update with the local crimes summary - home / car burglary, auto theft, assaults, etc.

It is amazing to see the crimes committed each week right in my neighborhood, right on my street. Some people are no damn good.

214 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:06:38pm

re: #208 Stanley Sea

I hope the key ring provides the best clue!! If only it were that simple, and they were that dumb.

So far, the dumb factor seems to be working to our advantage.

Having said that, I don’t want to make light of the crude nature of the device. The fireworks could easily have ruptured the gas cans if they had burned a little longer, in turn setting off a devastating explosion when the propane bottles overheated.

215 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:06:42pm

I think not enough is known to figure out whodunnit yet, and the fact that it’s Spring and the crazies tend to come out of the wood work then also plays into that calculated non statement I just made.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:08:11pm

re: #211 tradewind

The Islamoterror boyz are notorious for their flawed detonation devices.
Thank heavens.
Re dry run,… they are always doing those, at least on the airlines.

Or, rather, every time someone does something profoundly stupid on a place, we wonder if it was a dry run.

217 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:08:16pm

re: #201 lostlakehiker
Well, there’s been a claim. Who knows?
There is just something about Janet Napolitano’s dismissive delivery when discussing terrorism, theoretical or actual, that makes me feel as if her heart’s not really in this thang.

218 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:09:15pm

KT: I was reading the comments at that JT Ready/NSM supports the AZ legislation article that you linked upthread, and saw people in the comments saying “They are plants!” when everyone knows that JT Ready is a Neo Nazi through and through, and has been supporting this shit and Russell Pearce a long time.

219 Renaissance_Man  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:09:23pm

re: #215 Thanos

I think not enough is known to figure out whodunnit yet, and the fact that it’s Spring and the crazies tend to come out of the wood work then also plays into that calculated non statement I just made.

Ah, Spring - when a young man’s fancy lightly turns to thoughts of mindless terrorism.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:09:47pm

Homeland Security says they’re now considering it a potential terror attack.

221 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:10:40pm

That Taliban site probably made a propaganda error trying to claim responsibility for this contraption. The message could easily be, hey, Great Satan, your evil drones have killed so many of our guys, we can’t even make a decent car-bomb anymore.

222 bratwurst  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:11:47pm

re: #217 tradewind

Well, there’s been a claim. Who knows?
There is just something about Janet Napolitano’s dismissive delivery when discussing terrorism, theoretical or actual, that makes me feel as if her heart’s not really in this thang.

Would you feel better if she changed the terrorism color code?

223 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:12:02pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

Or, rather, every time someone does something profoundly stupid on a place, we wonder if it was a dry run.

come to think of and abandoned van was removed from Times Sq. not so long ago setting off a scare that it may have been a car bomb. (it was not) Dry run?

224 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:12:11pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m not.
They’re always doing the dry run thing, but I bet they weren’t willing to waste a perfectly good Nissan.//
Even in the Phillipines airline megaplot, Ramzi Yousef confined experimenting with the explosives to his kitchen apartment.
(Which led to an arrest, when he forgot that the stuff doesn’t mix well with water).

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:12:31pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

That Taliban site probably made a propaganda error trying to claim responsibility for this contraption. The message could easily be, hey, Great Satan, your evil drones have killed so many of our guys, we can’t even make a decent car-bomb anymore.

Is it totally sick that as I sit here reading all the news information on this, I’m thinking in the back of my head that I’m not much good with mechanical stuff, but I’m sure I could build a better bomb than this?

226 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:12:38pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist
Wow. They are so ON it!
Nothing like a rapid response.

227 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:13:32pm

re: #222 bratwurst
No, I’d feel better if she was back in AZ.
Just saying.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:13:49pm

re: #223 brookly red

come to think of and abandoned van was removed from Times Sq. not so long ago setting off a scare that it may have been a car bomb. (it was not) Dry run?

It’s possible. That sounds more dry-run-ish anyway. When we find the perps, we can ask.

229 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:14:17pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

That Taliban site probably made a propaganda error trying to claim responsibility for this contraption. The message could easily be, hey, Great Satan, your evil drones have killed so many of our guys, we can’t even make a decent car-bomb anymore.

well…and more seriously, does this help us look askance at Pakistan with any additional weight, and ask questions like “you won’t complain when we send the predators in after this guy, right?”

230 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:14:43pm

re: #223 brookly red
Well, they just found what they thought was a bomb at the Pittsburgh Marathon.
Now they’re saying no, it wasn’t. Maybe that’s one of the dry run thingys.

231 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:14:46pm

Completely OT: tax return arrived and I got a slightly better camera, then after purchase found out that someone is doing some crazy delicious tech magicks with the Camera Memory chips — they stuffed wifi, geotagging, and full over the air uploads direct to your laptop, printer, Ipad, Ipod, or PC onto them.

So, sometime later this year one of these is on my list:
amazon.com

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:14:51pm

re: #226 tradewind

Wow. They are so ON it!
Nothing like a rapid response.

Huh? This went down last night, everyone did the usual stuff, and Napolitano has been talking to the press today. What delay was there?

233 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:15:32pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it totally sick that as I sit here reading all the news information on this, I’m thinking in the back of my head that I’m not much good with mechanical stuff, but I’m sure I could build a better bomb than this?

nope. when i read it, i thought that SFZ could totally have made a better bomb too;)

234 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:16:26pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

Huh? This went down last night, everyone did the usual stuff, and Napolitano has been talking to the press today. What delay was there?

It was her heart. I can tell it was in delay mode.

235 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:16:35pm

re: #229 Aceofwhat?

Just asking, because I don’t know: Is the Taliban in the habit of making specious claims of responsibility? I thought they were more the not- taking- responsibility- even - when- they- really did -it type.

236 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:16:40pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Trying to get into that mind is going to be difficult. People who are willing to commit acts like this are really screwed up in the head. Us sane folks can’t really get it. Hence going where the raw evidence takes them is what works. Then we’ll hear it on the news-of arrests I trust.

237 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:17:04pm

re: #229 Aceofwhat?

well…and more seriously, does this help us look askance at Pakistan with any additional weight, and ask questions like “you won’t complain when we send the predators in after this guy, right?”

ironic that we (State dept) were just the other day warning of eminent terror attacks in India…

238 Racer X  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:17:45pm

I’m thinking this was not a dry run. This was an attempt to harm innocent people - and they damn near succeeded. Just because terrorists are stupid does not make them less dangerous. What if one of the gas cans blew up? And then the propane tanks? That vendor would have been killed.

And yes I called the perp a terrorist. There is not other term for this, no matter who it is.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:17:51pm

re: #233 Aceofwhat?

nope. when i read it, i thought that SFZ could totally have made a better bomb too;)

I once had a fairly hilarious conversation with a sheriff’s deputy about a forged check from the company I was working for. He had the guy in custody, and had faxed me a copy of the check in question, and I told him to tell the dude that my kid sister could forge a better check than this.

240 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:17:53pm

re: #235 tradewind

Just asking, because I don’t know: Is the Taliban in the habit of making specious claims of responsibility? I thought they were more the not- taking- responsibility- even - when- they- really did -it type.

i don’t know either. my personal preference is to permit people to take responsibility for acts of evil, and then expedite their spiritual journeys…

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:19:09pm

re: #235 tradewind

Just asking, because I don’t know: Is the Taliban in the habit of making specious claims of responsibility? I thought they were more the not- taking- responsibility- even - when- they- really did -it type.

Not sure this group is THE Taliban, though. They pass these name elements around a lot. People’s Front of Judea, Judean People’s Front…

Also, has the Taliban ever struck out of their region?

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:19:39pm

re: #237 brookly red

ironic that we (State dept) were just the other day warning of eminent terror attacks in India…

Still probably going to happen.

243 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:19:56pm

re: #218 Thanos

KT: I was reading the comments at that JT Ready/NSM supports the AZ legislation article that you linked upthread, and saw people in the comments saying “They are plants!” when everyone knows that JT Ready is a Neo Nazi through and through, and has been supporting this shit and Russell Pearce a long time.

Heh. Predictable.

244 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:20:13pm

re: #238 Racer X

I’m thinking this was not a dry run. This was an attempt to harm innocent people - and they damn near succeeded. Just because terrorists are stupid does not make them less dangerous. What if one of the gas cans blew up? And then the propane tanks? That vendor would have been killed.

And yes I called the perp a terrorist. There is not other term for this, no matter who it is.

no one here will question that assessment. Shrapnel bombs like that are terrorism by definition.

245 windsagio  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:21:05pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist


Also, has the Taliban ever struck out of their region?

I thought they were more focused on regaining control of/terrorizing the hell out of/defacing Afghanistan.

246 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:21:12pm

re: #237 brookly red

ironic that we (State dept) were just the other day warning of eminent terror attacks in India…

isn’t that a little bit like forecasting eminent rain in the UK, though?

247 swamprat  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:22:01pm

The tow truck driver arrives at the impound yard;

Hey! Where youse guys want this?

What is it?

A chevy I think.

Smartass.

Ok, it had some sort of a bomb thing.

Ok. Put next to the one that had a mafia hit.

By the suicide who shot himself six times?

No. On the other side by diplomat who overdosed in the limo with the two hookers.

OK. I thought that was the politician’s mistress thing.

No. that was stolen from here yesterday.

Some people!

I’ll say.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:22:04pm

re: #245 windsagio

I thought they were more focused on regaining control of/terrorizing the hell out of/defacing Afghanistan.

And Pakistan! And, well, other bits of West Asia. You know, as and when they become available.

249 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:22:09pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #246 Aceofwhat?

the world we live in, sheesh.

250 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:22:22pm

re: #245 windsagio

I thought they were more focused on regaining control of/terrorizing the hell out of/defacing Afghanistan. hiding from evil unmanned death machines.

but other than that, i agree with you. still…why not take them at their word and load up another drone?

251 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:23:10pm

re: #235 tradewind

Just asking, because I don’t know: Is the Taliban in the habit of making specious claims of responsibility? I thought they were more the not- taking- responsibility- even - when- they- really did -it type.

Which Taliban, there are multiple factions even in Pakistan? Seriously, they are fragmented and have multiple leaders all working from different playbooks. It it’s actual Mehsud TTP taliban, then they’ve made plenty of bogus claims, along with several real ones.

252 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:23:17pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, who knows what their region consists of now. According to the WH, the fact that Dubya’s surge ran them out of Iraq simply relocated them to Afghanistan, and now Obama says his mini-surge has about run them out of Afghanistan, so where in the world are they?
Pakistan’s left holding the bag, I guess.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:23:54pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

I just wish I could find a picture of the “Coyote” to link after he’s been blown up when the TNT just wouldn’t go off until he was standing beside it.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:24:32pm

re: #252 tradewind

Well, who knows what their region consists of now. According to the WH, the fact that Dubya’s surge ran them out of Iraq simply relocated them to Afghanistan, and now Obama says his mini-surge has about run them out of Afghanistan, so where in the world are they?
Pakistan’s left holding the bag, I guess.

The Taliban were in Iraq? Wait, are we talking about al-Qaeda?

255 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:24:49pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
New Taliban motto: ’ Writing checks our asses can’t cash’…..

256 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:25:11pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

Not sure this group is THE Taliban, though. They pass these name elements around a lot. People’s Front of Judea, Judean People’s Front…

Also, has the Taliban ever struck out of their region?

Most definitely. They sometimes go by different group names when they operate elsewhere, but they are the same people in the end.

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:25:50pm

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just wish I could find a picture of the “Coyote” to link after he’s been blown up when the TNT just wouldn’t go off until he was standing beside it.

This?

258 recusancy  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:25:51pm

re: #252 tradewind

Well, who knows what their region consists of now. According to the WH, the fact that Dubya’s surge ran them out of Iraq simply relocated them to Afghanistan, and now Obama says his mini-surge has about run them out of Afghanistan, so where in the world are they?
Pakistan’s left holding the bag, I guess.

The Taliban were never in Iraq.

259 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:26:00pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist
Originally, but then didn’t they supposedly all go rushing into Iraq to help repel the infidel invasion?

260 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:26:30pm

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just wish I could find a picture of the “Coyote” to link after he’s been blown up when the TNT just wouldn’t go off until he was standing beside it.

15 seconds flat. google FU!

261 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:26:47pm

re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist

This?

i HATE losing;)

262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:26:57pm

re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist

I saw that one. Gigglesnort.

I’ve been hunting for the one right before he turns into a pile of ashes. But that on is going to have to do.

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:27:31pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

Ooh! A big one! Yay!

264 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:28:14pm

re: #252 tradewind

Well, who knows what their region consists of now. According to the WH, the fact that Dubya’s surge ran them out of Iraq

afaik, no one is saying or has said this…at least, no one whose opinion matters…

265 Racer X  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:28:15pm

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ooh! A big one! Yay!

In bed.

266 recusancy  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:28:17pm

re: #259 tradewind

Originally, but then didn’t they supposedly all go rushing into Iraq to help repel the infidel invasion?

I think you need to read up on who the Taliban are: en.wikipedia.org

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:28:42pm

re: #259 tradewind

Originally, but then didn’t they supposedly all go rushing into Iraq to help repel the infidel invasion?

Did they? I know there was talk of AQ sending people in, but I don’t think the Taliban as an operation ever did. They might have sent a few bright young men to go and blow themselves up for AQ, but I never heard that they had any numbers or operation in Iraq.

I could be mistaken on this point.

268 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:29:01pm

Afternoon folks!
I’ve been lurking and trying to keep up with this story; will be most interesting to see how it plays out, won’t it?

I’ve been spending more time than I usually do trying to keep up with local events, and I don’t want to hijack this thread to other things going on, but I found the body language in this photo (taken a bit earlier today) to be most interesting, and thought I’d share the photo with you.

269 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:29:06pm

Note: by outside their region I am referring to aiding and abetting attacks in India and Bangladesh, not Europe.

270 Racer X  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:29:18pm

Sick as hell. I hate being sick.

BBL

271 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:30:04pm

re: #262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw that one. Gigglesnort.

I’ve been hunting for the one right before he turns into a pile of ashes. But that on is going to have to do.

this one isn’t bad either…

272 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:30:20pm

re: #265 Racer X

In bed.

damn straight!

273 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:30:35pm

re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist

Did they? I know there was talk of AQ sending people in, but I don’t think the Taliban as an operation ever did. They might have sent a few bright young men to go and blow themselves up for AQ, but I never heard that they had any numbers or operation in Iraq.

I could be mistaken on this point.

I am pretty sure that there are some mercenary types that that have worked for multiple groups…

274 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:30:53pm

re: #268 reine.de.tout

Afternoon folks!
I’ve been lurking and trying to keep up with this story; will be most interesting to see how it plays out, won’t it?

I’ve been spending more time than I usually do trying to keep up with local events, and I don’t want to hijack this thread to other things going on, but I found the body language in this photo (taken a bit earlier today) to be most interesting, and thought I’d share the photo with you.

It’s bad. It is really bad. (that’s what I saw)

275 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:31:32pm

re: #271 Aceofwhat?

this one isn’t bad either…

excellent one!

276 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:31:45pm

re: #268 reine.de.tout
Is POTUS patting Bobby on the back in a condescending way, or in commiseration? Hard to tell.
I do think that Jindal’s idea that BP or the government should hire the LA fishermen first to help with the operation in the wetlands and gulf is a very good idea, and I hope they do it.

277 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:32:04pm

re: #268 reine.de.tout

Afternoon folks!
I’ve been lurking and trying to keep up with this story; will be most interesting to see how it plays out, won’t it?

I’ve been spending more time than I usually do trying to keep up with local events, and I don’t want to hijack this thread to other things going on, but I found the body language in this photo (taken a bit earlier today) to be most interesting, and thought I’d share the photo with you.

that’s a great photo.

and i’m not sure any discussion of this nightmare in the gulf is ‘hijacking’. so go for it!

278 lawhawk  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:32:51pm

FoxNews is reporting that the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack as revenge for the killing of two AQ terrorists. NYPD Commish Kelly says that fingerprints were taken from the vehicle and they’ve tracked some of its movements immediately prior to the incident.

279 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:32:59pm

re: #259 tradewind

Originally, but then didn’t they supposedly all go rushing into Iraq to help repel the infidel invasion?

No, that was Al Qaeda. I’m sorry, trade, but you are in error.

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:33:18pm

re: #269 Thanos

Note: by outside their region I am referring to aiding and abetting attacks in India and Bangladesh, not Europe.

OK, that I can completely agree with. I’ve just never heard of them doing the Western Europe/American circuit.

281 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:33:34pm

re: #259 tradewind

Originally, but then didn’t they supposedly all go rushing into Iraq to help repel the infidel invasion?

i don’t think so. sympathizers came in to Iraq from neighboring areas, sure, but the Taliban has not had the luxury of excess fighters (for export purposes) since we first landed, IIRC.

282 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:33:46pm

re: #276 tradewind

Is POTUS patting Bobby on the back in a condescending way, or in commiseration? Hard to tell.
I do think that Jindal’s idea that BP or the government should hire the LA fishermen first to help with the operation in the wetlands and gulf is a very good idea, and I hope they do it.

sounds good to me… just don’t count them as jobs “saved or created”

283 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:33:53pm

re: #266 recusancy
No doubt.
I may even search beyond wiki, just in case.

284 swamprat  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:34:09pm

What this comedy is missing, is some New Yorker with a heavy accent, beating the crap out of Mr Wannabe Bomber.
Then he could get Knighted uh, get a medal.

We are behind the Brits.

285 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:34:32pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon
I often am… no need for condolences, D/F.
:)

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:34:56pm

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh…

287 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:35:21pm

re: #284 swamprat

What this comedy is missing, is some New Yorker with a heavy accent, beating the crap out of Mr Wannabe Bomber.
Then he could get Knighted uh, get a medal.

We are behind the Brits.

more likely he would get sued…

288 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:36:29pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

It’s bad. It is really bad. (that’s what I saw)

That, plus:
Jindal is all huddled into himself, which is how he operates, he’s a flyin’ solo kind of guy, whereas Obama is a reaching out kind of guy. Fully shown in the body language in that photo. I just found it interesting. There are others where they’re just chatting with each other, friendly. This one just struck me.

289 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:37:08pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that I can completely agree with. I’ve just never heard of them doing the Western Europe/American circuit.

No, they haven’t but their operatives do travel and train with the same people who do those attacks. It’s like once you pass a certain level within the Taliban/LeT/HuJI/Jundullah/BLA, Etc etc etc groups then you are going to get the hard recruit by AQ for foreign ops and then you put on a different hat. So I wouldn’t go as far as to say ex-Taliban haven’t aided and abetted attacks in the West.

290 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:37:30pm

re: #278 lawhawk

FoxNews is reporting that the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack as revenge for the killing of two AQ terrorists. NYPD Commish Kelly says that fingerprints were taken from the vehicle and they’ve tracked some of its movements immediately prior to the incident.

The vehicle’s movements?
Not the fingerprints’ movements, obviously.
Sorry. It’s how the sentence struck me.

291 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:38:32pm

re: #288 reine.de.tout

That, plus:
Jindal is all huddled into himself, which is how he operates, he’s a flyin’ solo kind of guy, whereas Obama is a reaching out kind of guy. Fully shown in the body language in that photo. I just found it interesting. There are others where they’re just chatting with each other, friendly. This one just struck me.

/maybe this is the point where he learns what his part of the deal is…

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:38:56pm

re: #284 swamprat

What this comedy is missing, is some New Yorker with a heavy accent, beating the crap out of Mr Wannabe Bomber.
Then he could get Knighted uh, get a medal.

We are behind the Brits.

There’s a scene in one of the Law and Order: SVU episodes, where the cops are talking to a young South Indian guy running a bodega. The perp tried to rob him, and got clocked with a souvenir model of the Statue of Liberty, which the young man refers to in a cute accent as “Lady Liberty, here.”

I would like for that young man to make a dramatic appearance.

293 lawhawk  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:39:28pm

re: #290 reine.de.tout

Yes - the vehicle’s movements - they’ve started tracing back via video surveillance feeds in the area.

294 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:39:38pm

re: #290 reine.de.tout

The vehicle’s movements?
Not the fingerprints’ movements, obviously.
Sorry. It’s how the sentence struck me.

easy pass, doh!

295 windsagio  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:39:55pm

Damn gotta pay more attention to the thread:


From somewhere up above, don’t you find that a little bloodthirsty Ace?

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:40:12pm

re: #288 reine.de.tout

That, plus:
Jindal is all huddled into himself, which is how he operates, he’s a flyin’ solo kind of guy, whereas Obama is a reaching out kind of guy. Fully shown in the body language in that photo. I just found it interesting. There are others where they’re just chatting with each other, friendly. This one just struck me.

Jindal’s probably feeling the stress, badly.

297 windsagio  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:40:24pm

re: #293 lawhawk

In London they’d have ‘em down cold!

298 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:40:35pm

re: #276 tradewind

Is POTUS patting Bobby on the back in a condescending way, or in commiseration? Hard to tell.
I do think that Jindal’s idea that BP or the government should hire the LA fishermen first to help with the operation in the wetlands and gulf is a very good idea, and I hope they do it.

commiseration.

not only does it look like that, but it would require a truly ugly person to be condescending at a moment like this and i will not believe that of my president without truly overwhelming evidence.

I may disagree with BO on some issues but i believe to my core that he is as torn up about this situation as any resident, and possibly more so.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:40:47pm

re: #289 Thanos

No, they haven’t but their operatives do travel and train with the same people who do those attacks. It’s like once you pass a certain level within the Taliban/LeT/HuJI/Jundullah/BLA, Etc etc etc groups then you are going to get the hard recruit by AQ for foreign ops and then you put on a different hat. So I wouldn’t go as far as to say ex-Taliban haven’t aided and abetted attacks in the West.

Once you have your Terrorist Clear Credential, you can travel anywhere in the world!!

300 swamprat  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:40:56pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

They are not uncommon.

301 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:41:02pm

twitter.com

Breaking news twitter feed

Update: NYC Police Commissioner says no evidence of a Taliban link to Times Square bomb event

I love following this feed, FYI.

302 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:41:22pm

so I wonder if this will have any influence as to where the 9/11 trial will be held…

303 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:42:16pm

re: #287 brookly red

more likely he would get sued…

Sad, but true. CAIR would claim the bomber’s civil rights were violated, Eric Holder would rush put the weight of the Department of Justice behind the suit (to show how the current administration is “not like Bush”), there would be cries of ‘profiling’…

/I exaggerate, but not too much.

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:42:51pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Sad, but true. CAIR would claim the bomber’s civil rights were violated, Eric Holder would rush put the weight of the Department of Justice behind the suit (to show how the current administration is “not like Bush”), there would be cries of ‘profiling’…

/I exaggerate, but not too much.

Wait, wait, I thought it was the Brits who were all hobbled with PC!

305 ausador  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:43:02pm

re: #21 MandyManners

Could this have been a dry run?

The very definition of a “dry run” is when nothing illegal whatsoever happens. A “dry run” is no one is carrying weapons, when no one looks out of place in dress or manor, when the police do not question them parking a car just like the one that (or the same one), that will carry the bomb.

A “Dry Run” is basically a full dress rehearsal of the attack that is supposed to follow. Since no one is actually doing anything illegal, has a weapon, or has explosives they can all just walk away even if the police on the street do get in their face.

So no this wasn’t a “dry run” considering that they actually had a bomb. A dry run is used when you want to judge just how proactive the police response will be at the site you want to detonate a bomb and you you might be able to get around it if needed…

306 swamprat  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:43:06pm

re: #302 brookly red

so I wonder if this will have any influence as to where the 9/11 trial will be held…

Daniel Webster will be prosecuting.

307 recusancy  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:43:31pm

re: #302 brookly red

so I wonder if this will have any influence as to where the 9/11 trial will be held…

Nope. If terrorists effect how we operate then they’ve achieved their objective.

308 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:43:49pm

Here’s the live press conference with the NYC Commish

MSNBC Video

309 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:44:33pm

re: #298 Aceofwhat?

commiseration.

not only does it look like that, but it would require a truly ugly person to be condescending at a moment like this and i will not believe that of my president without truly overwhelming evidence.

I may disagree with BO on some issues but i believe to my core that he is as torn up about this situation as any resident, and possibly more so.

Concur. Obama wants this resolved as quickly as can be done. He’s out for results, not cheap shots. So is Jindal. Whatever you think of either of them, we should all want them to do the best they possibly can on this one.

310 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:44:36pm

The SAC says the gun case had a fertilizer like substance in it and weighed about 70 lbs. Just got done mowing the lawn and caught the tale end of the presser.

311 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:45:11pm

They’ve identified the person but haven’t talked to him yet.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:45:38pm

re: #311 Stanley Sea

They’ve identified the person but haven’t talked to him yet.

Which person?

313 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:45:51pm

re: #307 recusancy

Nope. If terrorists effect how we operate then they’ve achieved their objective.

yes & no, if it causes us to be more cautious then I would say not.

314 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:46:12pm

Thank God for incompetant bombers. Tons of physical evidence.

315 lawhawk  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:46:19pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

A person of interest.

316 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:46:46pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

Which person?

I believe the person who left the vehicle. (might be wrong) I’m still listening…need to see transcript, or recap.

317 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:46:53pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Of course! For now it is far more important to fix the leak than fix the blame.

318 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:47:51pm

70lbs of chemical fertilizer, 3 tanks of propane and 10 gallons of gas is a damn big bomb.

319 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:48:32pm

re: #318 pingjockey

I could be wrong but I associate propane tanks with Iraqi IED’s

320 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:48:45pm

re: #295 windsagio
I’m sure you’re referring to the attempted murder of hundreds of New Yorkers, right?//

321 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:48:49pm

re: #295 windsagio

Damn gotta pay more attention to the thread:

From somewhere up above, don’t you find that a little bloodthirsty Ace?

errrmmm…maybe…(need more clues, Watson;)

322 austin_blue  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:49:10pm

re: #92 sngnsgt

Fox News just said fingerprints have been discovered and are under investigation.

They are interrogating fingerprints?

//

323 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:49:14pm

CNN update:

Law enforcement officials are examining video that may have captured the image of a suspect in the attempted Times Square car bombing, the New York City police commissioner said Sunday afternoon. “We’re currently examining video that shows a white mail in his 40s, in Schubert Alley, looking back in the direction of West 45th Street,” Commissioner Ray Kelly told a news conference. “He also was seen shedding a dark-colored shirt, revealing a red one underneath. He put the darker one into a bag that he was carrying,” said Kelly, who added the video was captured about a half block from where the vehicle containing the bomb was parked.
324 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:49:20pm

Police have video image of a suspect per CNN
news.blogs.cnn.com

325 lawhawk  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:49:31pm

re: #319 Rightwingconspirator

You’re not wrong. That was one of the ways that the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq boosted their deadly attacks - placing propane tanks along with various munitions (artillery shells, mines, along with shrapnel, etc.)

326 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:49:52pm

re: #319 Rightwingconspirator
I have no idea what the bad guys use for IEDs. Thing is, the bomber used stuff readily available and not likely to set off any alarms.

327 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:50:25pm

re: #320 tradewind

I’m sure you’re referring to the attempted murder of hundreds of New Yorkers, right?//

And, as I pointed out up-thread, a few tourists as well!

328 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:50:28pm

re: #318 pingjockey

70lbs of chemical fertilizer, 3 tanks of propane and 10 gallons of gas is a damn big bomb.

They were probably hoping to mix the fertilizer with oil to make ANFO explosive.

329 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:51:37pm

Is it just me or is the press stupid? Why didn’t the bomb go off? I’m sure the EOD guys are checking that out as we speak.

330 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:51:41pm

re: #318 pingjockey

70lbs of chemical fertilizer, 3 tanks of propane and 10 gallons of gas is a damn big bomb.

we got lucky this time…

331 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:51:42pm

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel

currently examining video that shows a white mail in his 40s

Going postal?

332 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:52:02pm

re: #325 lawhawk

re: #326 pingjockey

In “Rolling Thunder” (first tank probe to Baghdad) car after car went after American tanks with propane tanks in them. But maybe that is just such a readily available item it just fits almost any urban scheme.

333 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:52:56pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon
I know that the propane was in tanks like for barbqs. I have no idea if you vent the propane, then ignite it, if it will bind with the fertilizer.

334 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:53:04pm

re: #305 ausador

The very definition of a “dry run” is when nothing illegal whatsoever happens.


Not always. A favorite suspected ’ dry run ’ used by Al Q’ is the probing of security on airlines by pushing the flight crews to the limit of their tolerance to see how long it takes them to be kicked off, which is interfering with a flight crew, which is a violation of FAA regulations.

335 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:53:11pm

re: #298 Aceofwhat?

commiseration.

not only does it look like that, but it would require a truly ugly person to be condescending at a moment like this and i will not believe that of my president without truly overwhelming evidence.

I may disagree with BO on some issues but i believe to my core that he is as torn up about this situation as any resident, and possibly more so.

agreed.

336 lawhawk  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:53:27pm

There is also word that someone called in to 911 the possibility that this incident was a diversion:

On Sunday, police and F.B.I. officials were also investigating a 911 call placed at around 4 .a.m. on Sunday, several officials said. The caller, who one official said sounded intelligent, admonished the 911 dispatcher not to interrupt him until he was finished and then said there would be a massive explosion soon and the car in Times Square was only a diversion.

The call came from a payphone at West 53rd Street and Seventh Avenue, which detectives have since dusted for fingerprints, the officials said.

It remained unclear what link, if any, existed between the caller and the failed car bomb from hours earlier, the officials said.

337 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:53:45pm

re: #327 McSpiff
True… probably half and half. Or more!

338 windsagio  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:53:50pm

re: #321 Aceofwhat?

dronesdronesdrones (I think, I’m being distracted something fierce right now :p)

339 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:53:53pm

re: #332 Rightwingconspirator
That’s my guess. IIRC, a gallon of gas has the explosive potential of 5 to 10 sticks of dynamite.

340 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:53:57pm

re: #336 lawhawk

I’m hoping one of the press people ask this question!

341 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:54:41pm

re: #339 pingjockey

That’s my guess. IIRC, a gallon of gas has the explosive potential of 5 to 10 sticks of dynamite.

the vapors are even more powerful…

342 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:54:55pm

re: #336 lawhawk
Supposedly terrorist groups are interested in testing the timing and nature of police and other emergency personnel’s response. This could be a part of that.

343 lawhawk  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:54:57pm

re: #329 pingjockey

Well, they have to ask the questions - and most of them don’t know the first thing about law enforcement or explosives or anything homeland security related, so who knows.

Commish Kelly is describing the layout of the munitions and propellants in the SUV as we type…

344 captdiggs  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:55:08pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

I’ll be honest: I’m hoping this was an Islamist.

If I were to bet, that’s the odds on favorite.
There was no political or government significance in choosing the NY theatre district on a Saturday night.
But it was the perfect target for pure terror and killing a lot of very innocent people. Also, NY is the favored target of Islamists.
NY dodged a bullet on this one.

345 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:55:10pm

re: #341 brookly red

You should be listening to this, the Commish is describing the bomb set up now

346 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:56:13pm

re: #329 pingjockey

A propane tank can be a poor mans FAE bomb.

347 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:57:02pm

re: #341 brookly red
That’s what I meant. If you canget a gallon of gas or propane to vaporize then ignite it, it’s a helluva lot more powerful than when in liquid form. That’s what those MOABs are. FAE bombs. Fuel Air Explosive, the freakin’ concussion can kill you.

348 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:57:10pm

re: #334 tradewind

Not always. A favorite suspected ’ dry run ’ used by Al Q’ is the probing of security on airlines by pushing the flight crews to the limit of their tolerance to see how long it takes them to be kicked off, which is interfering with a flight crew, which is a violation of FAA regulations.

The problem is that the airlines and crews normally don’t want to file charges and face the PR blowback and possible lawsuit. Lots of people will pretend they don’t see a threat when noticing can mean litigation. A major lawsuit can be a good bit worse than being killed, especially if you have something to hide.

349 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:57:16pm

Yes. Lets tell them why the device failed via press conference. That seems like a bright idea. Sigh.

350 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:57:27pm

re: #346 Rightwingconspirator
GMTA!

351 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:59:13pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon
Actually, the airlines are supremely disinterested in ’ what people think ’ behind closed doors. They may fire off a statement for publication that sounds conciliatory, but they still have a zero tolerance policy and do not care whose ’ feelings ’ they hurt when it comes to the authority of the captain and crew. And they’ll definitely prosecute interfering with a crew member charges.

352 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 12:59:46pm

I would assume the FBI is working overtime on the VIN numbers to find out whose vehicle this is.

353 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:00:11pm

re: #338 windsagio

dronesdronesdrones (I think, I’m being distracted something fierce right now :p)

well tell her to stop - this is important/

354 lawhawk  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:01:18pm

Expect to see more of these in and around NYC central locations in the next few days. They use them in high crime area and major areas of importance to increase visibility and surveillance - a mini-eyes from the skies.

355 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:01:27pm

re: #349 McSpiff

Yes. Lets tell them why the device failed via press conference. That seems like a bright idea. Sigh.

Moronic, isn’t it? Sacrificing security on the altar of the insatiable appetite of the 24/7 news cycle.

356 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:01:57pm

re: #349 McSpiff
They’re just trying to be helpful.Someone up there
graduated from the NYT school of
‘here’s how to do it better next time’.

357 recusancy  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:02:04pm

Not sure if this is a dumb question but do the gun fetishist NRA crowd also advocate for legalization of explosives like high power fireworks?

358 Four More Tears  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:02:08pm

The commish just said driving around the block three times is an alarm, or did I mishear him? Because I can drive around eight or nine if i’m trying to park down there…

359 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:02:37pm

re: #358 JasonA

The commish just said driving around the block three times is an alarm, or did I mishear him? Because I can drive around eight or nine if i’m trying to park down there…

not any more…

360 McSpiff  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:02:49pm

re: #349 McSpiff

Yes. Lets tell them why the device failed via press conference. That seems like a bright idea. Sigh.

For the record, the commish did not answer that particular question.

361 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:03:17pm

re: #357 recusancy

Not sure if this is a dumb question but do the gun fetishist NRA crowd also advocate for legalization of explosives like high power fireworks?

it is and they don’t.

362 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:03:28pm

re: #338 windsagio

dronesdronesdrones (I think, I’m being distracted something fierce right now :p)

and no, i don’t think it’s bloodthirsty…i think it’s smart. if a fringe Taliban group is claiming responsibility in vain, all that means to me is they WISH that they could have carried out the attack, which means they can and will do what they can to attack our interests in their region.

we’re at war with the taliban. if someone stands up and says “we’re with the Taliban, and we take responsibility for attack X”, why isn’t it prudent to say “ok…Hellfire response forthcoming”?

i say it out of a calculated wish to win, and thus end, that war rather than a random bloodlust.

(did that help?)

363 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:03:58pm

re: #354 lawhawk

Wow… Chloe must have authorized them to use the Jesus Eye Technology found only at CTU/NY.

364 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:04:05pm

re: #354 lawhawk

I love the guys comment about worrying about irresponsible police but welcoming walking patrols in his crime ridden area.

365 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:04:14pm

re: #357 recusancy
Define high power fireworks. We go to the Indian reservation and buy aerial fireworks.

366 Stanley Sea  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:04:16pm

In the gun case 8 grocery store bags found filled with some “material” I don’t think he said it was fertilizer yet.

367 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:04:48pm

re: #365 pingjockey

That counts.

368 recusancy  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:05:10pm

re: #365 pingjockey

Define high power fireworks. We go to the Indian reservation and buy aerial fireworks.

Well.. I just mean certain states have super restrictive laws against stuff like M80’s etc.. Are they against those laws?

369 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:05:21pm

re: #366 Stanley Sea
Earlier he said “consistency” of fertilizer.

370 windsagio  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:05:42pm

re: #362 Aceofwhat?

It did! >>

371 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:05:47pm

re: #357 recusancy
Well, you’ll have to get them to outlaw fertilizer sales, too.//

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:05:51pm

re: #314 pingjockey

Thank God for incompetant bombers. Tons of physical evidence.

The blow up so fast these days.

373 windsagio  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:05:57pm

re: #366 Stanley Sea

Shitbomb?!

374 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:06:03pm

re: #368 recusancy

I heard him say M-88 less powerful than m-80, and legal in some states. Illegal where I live though.

375 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:06:24pm

re: #371 tradewind

Well, you’ll have to get them to outlaw fertilizer sales, too.//

and gas BBQs

376 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:06:48pm

re: #372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

TheTHEY blow up so fast these days.


FTFY?

377 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:07:09pm

re: #370 windsagio

It did! >>

better, or still bloodthirsty IYO?

378 Four More Tears  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:07:11pm

My highlight from yesterday: I’m sitting outside my store smoking when I hear a strange-sounding helicopter coming overhead. I look up and it’s a friggin’ Cobra. Don’t see too many of those in suburban NY.

379 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:07:36pm

re: #373 windsagio

Shitbomb?!

by shitbirds.

380 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:07:36pm

re: #368 recusancy
I belong to the NRA and here in eastern WA and most of the state M80s and aerial fireworks are against the law, except the reservations are sovereign nations and can sell them. We set ours off in the winter. To high a fire danger on the 4th of July, of course some people do.

381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:07:54pm

re: #376 Rightwingconspirator

Oh, pooh.

Thanks.

382 brookly red  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:09:02pm

re: #378 JasonA

My highlight from yesterday: I’m sitting outside my store smoking when I hear a strange-sounding helicopter coming overhead. I look up and it’s a friggin’ Cobra. Don’t see too many of those in suburban NY.

no?, there is an Air Guard base a bit up state… they come down the Hudson all the time.

383 recusancy  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:09:11pm

re: #380 pingjockey

I belong to the NRA and here in eastern WA and most of the state M80s and aerial fireworks are against the law, except the reservations are sovereign nations and can sell them. We set ours off in the winter. To high a fire danger on the 4th of July, of course some people do.

I was just genuinely curious on their views of government regulation of fireworks. Hearing the commissioner mention them made me think of it.

384 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:09:12pm

sheesh. the lakers are playing at video-game quality.

385 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:09:14pm

re: #357 recusancy
The NRA is not a synonym for ’ gun fetishist ‘.
You wouldn’t consider the PTA a synonym for ’ child fetishist ‘, would you? .
Just sayin’.

386 recusancy  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:10:47pm

re: #385 tradewind

The NRA is not a synonym for ’ gun fetishist ‘.
You wouldn’t consider the PTA a synonym for ’ child fetishist ‘, would you? .
Just sayin’.

No. But many gun enthusiasts treat their guns like their girlfriend/sex partner.

387 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:10:51pm

re: #383 recusancy
From a personal stand point, M80s are damn dangerous, and the aerials too. However, we do the safe launch thing and don’t buy any firecrackers other than blackcats.

388 Four More Tears  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:11:57pm

re: #382 brookly red

no?, there is an Air Guard base a bit up state… they come down the Hudson all the time.

I’d know the sound of that thing if I heard it before. Seen Blackhawks before but this is the first i remember seeing a Cobra.

389 tradewind  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:12:06pm

re: #386 recusancy
No one I know.
(And no weird jokes about oiling).

390 pingjockey  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:13:32pm

Going to go get some lunch.

391 swamprat  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:13:33pm

re: #357 recusancy

Not sure if this is a dumb question but do the gun fetishist NRA crowd also advocate for legalization of explosives like high power fireworks?

Post 357 is from a gun stereotyper.
You must have missed posts 22, 25, 44, 45, and 50

392 RogueOne  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:19:11pm

re: #387 pingjockey

From a personal stand point, M80s are damn dangerous, and the aerials too. However, we do the safe launch thing and don’t buy any firecrackers other than blackcats.

Or sparklers:

Youtube Video

393 Decider  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:20:00pm

Betcha this is going to be a dedicated Glenn Beck viewer.

394 Randall Gross  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:21:22pm

Here’s latest from CBS
cbsnews.com

395 ausador  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:21:42pm

A propane tank is a very poor weapon. The Propane balloons out and creates a big fireball, that lasts all of about three seconds or so, then the propane has burned off, it is a gas, not a sticky or lingering liquid like Napalm. Unless you are hit by the shrapnel from the tank it is one of those things that looks impressive but is not all that likely to injure you, (even less likely when the tank explodes inside a closed car).

So basically the story is an inept bombmaker made a faulty bomb that could not have hurt many people even if it had worked. Yet we are giving them the reward they would have gotten if the bomb had worked and killed dozens or hundreds of people. Non-stop news coverage that leaves people afraid…hmm, remind me why it is called “terrorism” again? I forgot…

///

396 Four More Tears  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:22:10pm

re: #393 Decider

Betcha this is going to be a dedicated Glenn Beck viewer.

I doubt that at this point. That said I’d expect organized terrorists to build a better bomb. The target seems all wrong for this to be domestic to me.

397 Aceofwhat?  Sun, May 2, 2010 1:23:36pm

re: #396 JasonA

I doubt that at this point. That said I’d expect organized terrorists to build a better bomb. The target seems all wrong for this to be domestic to me.

concur

398 Nojay  Sun, May 2, 2010 2:05:08pm

re: #395 ausador

Yep, pretty much. Fuel-air explosive (FAE) devices are a lot trickier to build and set off than simply cooking off a couple of propane tanks in a burning car. To get a really good bang out of commonly available stuff you need to either use high-energy chemicals with lots of N-N or N=N bonds (ANFO plus nitromethane accelerator, as used in the Oklahoma City bomb) or have oxygen thoroughly mixed in with the combustible material (TATP made with hydrogen peroxide as used in the London Underground bombings). A tank of propane when it ruptures has to mix with air before its contents will burn; it will not explode with enough tearing energy to turn the car body into shrapnel unless it is thoroughly mixed with an oxidiser, and even then air is 80 percent nitrogen that tends to suppress and cool the combustion wavefront.

I will refrain from discussing further how to make something like this amateur hour attempt work a lot better as an explosive device, if you don’t mind…

399 Political Atheist  Sun, May 2, 2010 2:42:56pm

A bunch of us have posted along the lines of “too amateur” for AQ or Taliban. Well yeah, agreed unless you think they are worn down to using amateur recruits… Maybe?

400 Nojay  Sun, May 2, 2010 3:21:22pm

re: #399 Rightwingconspirator

The bomb-makers are not necessarily the delivery boys. The best of the bathtub chemists and bomb manufacturers that terrorist groups employ are precious assets — for example the 7/7 bombers in London had effective loads of homebrew TATP in their backpacks made by a specialist who left the country a few days before the attacks took place. The deluded kids who carried the bombs onto the Tube and the bus would have killed themselves trying to make the stuff, or it would probably have fizzled. The 21/7 wannabees two weeks later had no such support and their home-made “bombs” were hilariously ineffective. See the underpants bomber last Xmas for another example. On the other hand effective car bombs are still going off in Iraq and Afghanistan and killing lots of people, but then again they have access to real explosives like RDX and don’t have to rely on cooking stuff up in the bathtub.

I think there are few “real” AQ or Talib operatives in the US and probably no line-of-command groups being directed by the bin Laden organisation or what is left of it. Most of the planned attempts at terrorist attacks over the past few years traceable to Muslim influence have been by groups of pitiful wannabees, badly equipped and poorly organised.

401 Cato the Elder  Sun, May 2, 2010 4:25:36pm

Removing a VIN plate does nothing to make the vehicle unidentifiable. It just means the cop can’t lean over the windshield and jot it down in his notebook or call it straight in and have the registered owner in 30 seconds.

There are VINs all over vehicles, including places only a mechanic will know. And the sad sack who built this bomb is obviously no mechanic.

Which is what intrigues me. Apparently this bomb has antecedent failed explosive devices from the past few years. Is this the best recipe to be found on the internet? If so, some cyberwarriors in a basement in Maryland are doing a better job than I might have suspected.

Alternatively, terrorists are incapable of learning. That, too, is an encouraging thought.

Or is this the new “moderate” version of terrorism? We don’t want to hurt ‘em, we’ll just scare a few of ‘em every once in a while.

Questions.

402 American-African  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:27:33pm

This may not be an international terrorist event. This may be an amateurish attempt to appear “someone else” did it, but an inept domestic anti government bomber is ultimately behind it. I still suspect right-wing terrorists here.

403 Querent  Sun, May 2, 2010 9:55:53pm

re: #115 Jadespring

Coyote just ran through my yard with a dead rabbit in it’s mouth. Chickens were standing within 30 feet of it’s path and looked up, “Errr say what?”

Tastes just like chicken!

(well then, give me chicken!)

404 Querent  Sun, May 2, 2010 10:21:06pm

re: #347 pingjockey

That’s what I meant. If you canget a gallon of gas or propane to vaporize then ignite it, it’s a helluva lot more powerful than when in liquid form. That’s what those MOABs are. FAE bombs. Fuel Air Explosive, the freakin’ concussion can kill you.

Is there supposed to be an Earth-Shattering Kaboom?

405 daddiokng  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:52:17am

Obviously the moron who built this never watches ‘Mythbusters’. He would have learned that the most his propane tanks would have done is turn into rockets.

406 rhino2  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:27:56am

re: #405 daddiokng

Heavy projectiles is probably a more accurate term.


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