If you’re not watching 60 Minutes, turn it on now. They’re talking about the “All American Canal” in Southern California and how many immigrants die there. Turn it on. Turn it on now.

Turn turn, turn, to every season turn turn turn…

Ah!!! Wonderful.

Another perfect picture of dormant power waiting to be unleashed.

re: #1 darthstar

If you’re not watching 60 Minutes, turn it on now. They’re talking about the “All American Canal” in Southern California and how many immigrants die there. Turn it on. Turn it on now.

are you sure it isn’t just you and the 9 other people on Mountain time? i looked…

re: #2 jamesfirecat

I thought of swans a-swimming…

re: #1 darthstar

If you’re not watching 60 Minutes, turn it on now. They’re talking about the “All American Canal” in Southern California and how many immigrants die there. Turn it on. Turn it on now.

eh. 60-minutes was 2 hours ago here; What is the “All American Canal”, and do immigrants die trying to get across it?

re: #6 reine.de.tout

The AAC is how Colorado river water is sent through parts of Imperial county for agricultural purposes.

About enough to power the LGF servers?

re: #4 Aceofwhat?

They just interviewed one of the women on the irrigation commission…she said “When they jump into the canal, they’re taking their lives in their own hands.” (i.e. she’s against putting buoys and lifelines into the canal.)

I have a sudden urge to tilt.

re: #1 darthstar

If you’re not watching 60 Minutes, turn it on now. They’re talking about the “All American Canal” in Southern California and how many immigrants die there. Turn it on. Turn it on now.

Sorry. Don’t do teevee.

re: #6 reine.de.tout

eh. 60-minutes was 2 hours ago here; What is the “All American Canal”, and do immigrants die trying to get across it?

Several hundred of them.

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have a sudden urge to tilt.

Then you’ve been playing pinball too long.

re: #9 darthstar

They just interviewed one of the women on the irrigation commission…she said “When they jump into the canal, they’re taking their lives in their own hands.” (i.e. she’s against putting buoys and lifelines into the canal.)

Why not boats? Free ones.

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have a sudden urge to tilt.

Heh, I’m sure LVQ would join in with you…

Okay…this one guy, an anti-immigrant Republican, actually put in a buoy line himself in ten minutes…it took the Imperial Immigration Committee the same amount of time to dimantle it.

He’s anti-immigration, but believes the canal is a death trap and that not putting in lifelines is morally criminal.

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Don’t tell Duncan Hunter, he’ll probably want to put alligators in there.

re: #9 darthstar

They just interviewed one of the women on the irrigation commission…she said “When they jump into the canal, they’re taking their lives in their own hands.” (i.e. she’s against putting buoys and lifelines into the canal.)

What the f***?

Dude I get it that you don’t want illegal immigrants in the country, but how about a little compassion?

Though at least now I know where they came up with that “race for the green” idea where they had immigrants compete with the winner getting a green card….

re: #9 darthstar

They just interviewed one of the women on the irrigation commission…she said “When they jump into the canal, they’re taking their lives in their own hands.” (i.e. she’s against putting buoys and lifelines into the canal.)

huh. i found a little local blurb here.

sounds like a big part of the problem are smugglers who tell folks that it’s safe to cross.

that’s not cool.

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Why not boats? Free ones.

Canals move at 8ft per second. The water is cold…very cold. Your attempt at humor is a fail.

Okay…story’s over…I guess it never happened.

re: #17 freetoken

Don’t tell Duncan Hunter, he’ll probably want to put alligators in there.

Or at least illtempered and mutated sea bass….

son-of-a-rhymes-with-itch……
This makes me spitting mad.

blog.al.com

re: #1 darthstar

If you’re not watching 60 Minutes, turn it on now. They’re talking about the “All American Canal” in Southern California and how many immigrants die there. Turn it on. Turn it on now.

I remember hearing that one person who died was located via the trackers placed on California Condors. The birds had found him and were doing what vultures do. The story may be apocryphal, though.

Repost, because it works here too!

re: #70 Killgore Trout

LOL!

But the worse part… I know find out that some asshole in the GREEN MOVEMENT allowed these WIND FARMS to be built right near SOLAR FARMS and so (WHOOOSH) what is going to happen if all this extra wind somehow manages to DESTROY THE SOLAR FARM and (WHOOOSH) next thing we know… we’re dealing with THE FUCKING SUN SPILLING ALL OVER THE DESERT!

re: #17 freetoken

Don’t tell Duncan Hunter, he’ll probably want to put alligators in there.

There once was a time when Duncan Hunter seemed like one of the sane Republicans.

re: #16 darthstar

Okay…this one guy, an anti-immigrant Republican, actually put in a buoy line himself in ten minutes…it took the Imperial Immigration Committee the same amount of time to dimantle it.

He’s anti-immigration, but believes the canal is a death trap and that not putting in lifelines is morally criminal.

A Republican? Will wonders never cease …
/

Sarcasm aside - it’s awful, just awful, that people are that desperate for a better life, even if it’s a life as an illegal working for less than minimum wages, that they will put their lives in that sort of danger.

The corruption of Mexico’s politicians must bear responsibility for this, but they will not, and if they won’t, we have to do something, it’s just the right thing to do.

re: #25 Charles

There once was a time when Duncan Hunter seemed like one of the sane Republicans.

Right up until he got elected. Since then, its been all down hill.

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right up until he got elected. Since then, its been all down hill.

Funny how that works.

re: #19 Aceofwhat?

They interviewed a woman (German born US citizen) whose husband was deported and then died trying to cross the canal. It’s not the “coyotes” that killed him. Over 500 people (including one US border guard trying to save his dog) have died in the canal in the last year or so. There are no safety features…period. Canals are death traps. When I was a kid I wanted to go fishing in one in town near my dad’s office…he about shit bricks explaining to me that I was never to go near the canals.

Oh, and the government did fund an expensive project to save lives on the canal…they netted and used cranes to lift fish over the dams.

re: #25 Charles

There once was a time when Duncan Hunter seemed like one of the sane Republicans.

//There once was a time when there was such a thing as a sane Republican in office….

(I know my blue bias is showing)

re: #20 darthstar

Canals move at 8ft per second. The water is cold…very cold. Your attempt at humor is a fail.

Okay…story’s over…I guess it never happened.

No blame on the coyotes who sell the would-be illegals a bad way to cross over, of course. We should just put up lifelines. I say again, why not boats? With free drinks? And cigars? You make it that far…

I mean, seriously, the biggest problem I see in this country is not and has never been “aliens”, but if you’re going to try to swim a canal to get here, then you damn well are taking your life in your hands.

re: #21 jamesfirecat

Or at least illtempered and mutated sea bass…

With frickin’ laser beams on their frickin’ heads!

/

re: #28 Charles

Funny how that works.

He’s a big definite on my replacement list this year.

re: #29 darthstar

They interviewed a woman (German born US citizen) whose husband was deported and then died trying to cross the canal. It’s not the “coyotes” that killed him. Over 500 people (including one US border guard trying to save his dog) have died in the canal in the last year or so. There are no safety features…period. Canals are death traps. When I was a kid I wanted to go fishing in one in town near my dad’s office…he about shit bricks explaining to me that I was never to go near the canals.

Oh, and the government did fund an expensive project to save lives on the canal…they netted and used cranes to lift fish over the dams.

I don’t suppose that fencing it off is an option?

re: #29 darthstar

They interviewed a woman (German born US citizen) whose husband was deported and then died trying to cross the canal. It’s not the “coyotes” that killed him. Over 500 people (including one US border guard trying to save his dog) have died in the canal in the last year or so. There are no safety features…period. Canals are death traps. When I was a kid I wanted to go fishing in one in town near my dad’s office…he about shit bricks explaining to me that I was never to go near the canals.

Oh, and the government did fund an expensive project to save lives on the canal…they netted and used cranes to lift fish over the dams.

mmm…i think that 500 people have died in it since it was built in 1938.

re: #22 tradewind

son-of-a-rhymes-with-itch…
This makes me spitting mad.

[Link: blog.al.com…]

Bayou la Batre fishing is worth 400 million per year.

npr.org

re: #35 Aceofwhat?

mmm…i think that 500 people have died in it since it was built in 1938.

100 in the last year at one damn. 60 at each of two others.

re: #25 Charles

Duncan D. Hunter, who is now in office, is I think trying too hard to be his father’s son. He essentially inherited that position, his father held it so long. I voted for his father a couple of times, but refuse to vote for any (R) from this part of the county anymore - they’ve all gone Tea Party.

re: #37 darthstar

100 in the last year at one damn. 60 at each of two others.

Okay one of you is making numbers up because there’s no way both those statics can be true….

prairiefire, if you’re there:

While I’m no fan of Sarah Palin, she apparently isn’t quite so dumb as to say the Kansas City area is home to a sports team that doesn’t exist. Independence does have a minor league hockey team called…the Missouri Mavericks. Her handlers wouldn’t have let her make a gaffe that big…

Just wanted to let you know before you told that story to anyone in person… :)

re: #31 Cato the Elder

No blame on the coyotes who sell the would-be illegals a bad way to cross over, of course. We should just put up lifelines. I say again, why not boats? With free drinks? And cigars? You make it that far…

I mean, seriously, the biggest problem I see in this country is not and has never been “aliens”, but if you’re going to try to swim a canal to get here, then you damn well are taking your life in your hands.

I’m a pretty damn compassionate guy. That said… I’m with Cato on this one.

re: #37 darthstar

100 in the last year at one damn. 60 at each of two others.

so 220 in the last year and ~300 in the 70 years prior?

my figure is from the article that i linked to.

re: #39 jamesfirecat

Okay one of you is making numbers up because there’s no way both those statics can be true…

Okay…I might have misinterpreted what they said on 60 minutes…here are the hard numbers:
allamericancanal.org

re: #16 darthstar
You mean there’s an anti-illegal-immigration Republican who still retains the milk of human kindness?/
I don’t really believe that you will find many Americans, regardless of their political beliefs, who think that drowning people is a good thing.
OTOH, it seems as if a lot of the deaths happen when the Mexican coyotes / smugglers** callously abandon their human cargo to die in the desert …. presumably to avoid arrest.
**with apologies to actual coyotes everywhere

May 2007: A Guest Post By Duncan Hunter.

re: #42 Aceofwhat?

so 220 in the last year and ~300 in the 70 years prior?

my figure is from the article that i linked to.

odd, it seems to be getting more popular all of a sudden…

re: #36 Decatur Deb
I should clarify that I am mad at BP, and support what the AG is doing. Bastards are trying to preclude any settlements imposed by a court and low-ball the fishermen for a lousy five thousand bucks.

re: #45 Charles

May 2007: A Guest Post By Duncan Hunter.

Looks like he isn’t so much a great mind as just gaga for walls.

re: #45 Charles

May 2007: A Guest Post By Duncan Hunter.

Different Duncan Hunter. That was senior, Duncan Hunter Junior is the current Congressman, ran in his father’s same district.

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Bayou la Batre fishing is worth 400 million per year.

[Link: www.npr.org…]

How can they even be already arguing over the price when we haven’t finished cleaning up the damn spill yet?

re: #47 tradewind

I should clarify that I am mad at BP, and support what the AG is doing. Bastards are trying to preclude any settlements imposed by a court and low-ball the fishermen for a lousy five thousand bucks.

It was starting to come back from Katrina.

re: #44 tradewind

All snark aside, if you’d listened to the woman from the Imperial Immigration Council talk about the deaths, you wouldn’t see the humor in that. She blamed “bureaucracy” for the deaths. Bureaucracy.

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Different Duncan Hunter. That was senior, Duncan Hunter Junior is the current Congressman, ran in his father’s same district.

Right, I know. Just some background info.

re: #44 tradewind

You mean there’s an anti-illegal-immigration Republican who still retains the milk of human kindness?/
I don’t really believe that you will find many Americans, regardless of their political beliefs, who think that drowning people is a good thing.
OTOH, it seems as if a lot of the deaths happen when the Mexican coyotes / smugglers** callously abandon their human cargo to die in the desert … presumably to avoid arrest.
**with apologies to actual coyotes everywhere

Well, I have to say that jumping into a canal is incredibly foolish, no matter how desperate you are. Still, I suppose we should put out some lifelines, as long as there’s a passel of border guards on the other end to dry the fellow off and send him right back.

re: #46 brookly red

odd, it seems to be getting more popular all of a sudden…

60 minutes can tell a good story sometimes but they’re not always very good with numbers. i bet they misled some viewers, including my dude Darthstar.

gotta run. not winning this migrane battle at the moment…going to find some dark and quiet to help. hate migranes…so random sometimes.

good night all.

re: #50 jamesfirecat

How can they even be already arguing over the price when we haven’t finished cleaning up the damn spill yet?

Good risk management. I don’t think the oil is even there, yet, but it’s coming.
This is the same thinking that gets an auto accident release in the hospital.

re: #54 Tigger2005

Well, I have to say that jumping into a canal is incredibly foolish, no matter how desperate you are. Still, I suppose we should put out some lifelines, as long as there’s a passel of border guards on the other end to dry the fellow off and send him right back.

Exactly…that’s what the American widow of a victim of the canal said. Send them back, sure, but don’t just let them die.

re: #52 darthstar

All snark aside, if you’d listened to the woman from the Imperial Immigration Council talk about the deaths, you wouldn’t see the humor in that. She blamed “bureaucracy” for the deaths. Bureaucracy.

uhhh, are you sure that isn’t Imperial Irrigation Council?

When I think of windmills, I want to lay back and to listen to the only tune I know about windmills.

Link test…

Youtube Video

Oooo, windmills. That’s what we’re gonna have not too far from me. Except ours will be in the water.

re: #57 darthstar

Exactly…that’s what the American widow of a victim of the canal said. Send them back, sure, but don’t just let them die.

I hate sounding like I’m way on the anti-immigration side. I’m not. But shit, just build a fucking bridge at that point.

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Good risk management. I don’t think the oil is even there, yet, but it’s coming.
This is the same thinking that gets an auto accident release in the hospital.

I still think its bull plucky, they’re going to pay the entire price, yes?

So if something else (G-d forbid) goes wrong they’re going to pay even more.

It really doesn’t make sense to haggle over a cafe you’re going to buy, when the cafe is still inside the cow that’s about to give birth to it, and you don’t know what the cafe looks like….

Sorry best analogy I could think of….

re: #59 Casual Talker

When I think of windmills, I want to lay back and to listen to the only tune I know about windmills.

Link test…

[Video]

Couldn’t find the original and best, with Steve McQueen?

re: #62 jamesfirecat

I still think its bull plucky, they’re going to pay the entire price, yes?

So if something else (G-d forbid) goes wrong they’re going to pay even more.

It really doesn’t make sense to haggle over a cafe you’re going to buy, when the cafe is still inside the cow that’s about to give birth to it, and you don’t know what the cafe looks like…

Sorry best analogy I could think of…

A cafe in a cow? Poke holes for lighting?
/evening honcos!

re: #45 Charles

Once upon a time, in a land far, far away…
Well, times change, and so do people!

re: #62 jamesfirecat

I still think its bull plucky, they’re going to pay the entire price, yes?

So if something else (G-d forbid) goes wrong they’re going to pay even more.

It really doesn’t make sense to haggle over a cafe you’re going to buy, when the cafe is still inside the cow that’s about to give birth to it, and you don’t know what the cafe looks like…

Sorry best analogy I could think of…

Bro… calf. “Cafe” had my mind picturing something way different.

re: #63 Tigger2005

Couldn’t find the original and best, with Steve McQueen?

Although Faye Dunaway appeared in both films, the remake with dear Faye as Mr. Crownes therapist. If I’m not mistaken, this an old Michele LeGrand tune - a lovely one too.

re: #25 Charles

That was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

re: #62 jamesfirecat

I still think its bull plucky, they’re going to pay the entire price, yes?

…snip…

In your dreams. Check the history of the EXXON Valdez settlements through the appeals courts.

posted on wrong thread

Meant to post it here .

Arlo talks for 45 seconds

Deportee

Youtube Video

Hoyt Axton did it better

The crops are all in and the peaches are rotting,
The oranges are packed in their creosote dumps.2.
They’re flying ‘em back to the Mexico border
To take all their money to wade back again.
Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita,
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria.
You won’t have a name when you ride the big airplane,
All they will call you will be “deportees.”

My father’s own father, he waded that river.
They took all the money he made in his life.
My brothers and sisters came workin’ the fruit trees,
They rode the big trucks ‘till they laid down and died.

Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita,
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria.
You won’t have a name when you ride the big airplane,
All they will call you will be “deportees.”
The skyplane caught fire over Los Gatos Canyon,
A fireball of lightnin’ an’ it shook all the hills.
Who are these chicanos all scattered like dry leaves?
The radio tells me, “They’re just deportees.”

We died in your hills and we died in your deserts,
We died in your valleys, we died in your plains.
We died ‘neath your trees and we died ‘neath your bushes,
Both sides of the river we died just the same.

You won’t have a name when you ride the big airplane,
All they will call you will be “deportees”
Is this the best way we can grow our big orchards?
Is this the best way we can grow our good fruit?
To die like the dry leaves and rot on my topsoil
And be known by no name except “deportee.”?

re: #45 Charles

May 2007: A Guest Post By Duncan Hunter.

haha… I like post #9 on there.

re: #53 Charles

Right, I know. Just some background info.

Some people would try to hide that they’ve been associated with the Hunters at all. But you, sir, always go with honest and full disclosure. Bravo, Charles!

re: #50 jamesfirecat
It’s the same tactic that airlines used to use when they would send out a handler to ’ befriend ’ and lawyer to convince each family who lost someone in a plane crash that they should accept a cash settlement now, and oh yeah sign here…..this holds us harmless in any future action…..
Corporate sees it as preemptive, I see it as low.

re: #69 Decatur Deb

In your dreams. Check the history of the EXXON Valdez settlements through the appeals courts.

So in other words when they say they’ll pay for the entire thing, they really mean they’ll pay as little as they possibly can and stick we the people with the price tag for cleaning up their mess. Literally.

I know some might argue that the bailouts are doing the exact same thing, but dear god is it so blindingly obvious in this case….

re: #66 JasonA
I’m going ’ cafe? What cafe? ‘re: #62 jamesfirecat
Actually, in livestock, at least cattle and horses, selling offspring in utero is totally common. You pays your money and you takes your chance…..
backed up by lots of pedigree research.

re: #74 jamesfirecat

So in other words when they say they’ll pay for the entire thing, they really mean they’ll pay as little as they possibly can and stick we the people with the price tag for cleaning up their mess. Literally.

I know some might argue that the bailouts are doing the exact same thing, but dear god is it so blindingly obvious in this case…

They might be defrauding their stockholders to pay any more than they have to.
I am describing, not endorsing.

re: #45 Charles

May 2007: A Guest Post By Duncan Hunter.

Damn. There’s some serious bigotry in the posts on that thread. Starting out with #11.

re: #76 Decatur Deb

They might be defrauding their stockholders to pay any more than they have to.
I am describing, not endorsing.

When a British Company does something like this on our American soil/waters the correct response should be them writing us a blank check and saying “my bad take this.”

Just my $0.02

re: #76 Decatur Deb

They might be defrauding their stockholders to pay any more than they have to.
I am describing, not endorsing.

Lawsuits’ll have to take care of the rest. If I were a fisherman in the area I’d have a lawyer, like, last week.

re: #54 Tigger2005
Redefining Catch and Release.

re: #77 recusancy

Damn. There’s some serious bigotry in the posts on that thread. Starting out with #11.

Fjordman. Nuff said.

re: #79 JasonA

Lawsuits’ll have to take care of the rest. If I were a fisherman in the area I’d have a lawyer, like, last week.

The Sun Myung Moon organization is the heart of the industry there. Might be interesting.

Seven Windmills

Fascism! Communism! Precious bodily fluids!
/Mandrake, come feed this belt for me.

re: #81 Charles

Fjordman. Nuff said.

Lotsa names there I remember but are long gone. Wow.

re: #79 JasonA

Lawsuits’ll have to take care of the rest. If I were a fisherman in the area I’d have a lawyer, like, last week.

/so Edwards can make a comeback after all?

So I know they’re a good energy source, and all that, but looking at those, I’m starting to see Ted Kennedy’s point….
Something there is that does not love a (modern day, designed for a windfarm ) windmill. They do screw up the landscape.

re: #84 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lotsa names there I remember but are long gone. Wow.

Behold the ghosts of Lizards Past!

re: #76 Decatur Deb

They might be defrauding their stockholders to pay any more than they have to.

Also, it’s a shame we can’t say that when our government pays KBR $45/coke.

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Behold the ghosts of Lizards Past!

Stop it!! You’re scaring me!!
/

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Behold Beware the Ghosts of Lizards Past.

FTFY/

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

Stop it!! You’re scaring me!!
/

The ghosts of Lizards future are even worse… for be warned with each opening of the Mystical Green Door, LGF skews more liberal!

re: #70 swamprat

posted on wrong thread

Meant to post it here .

Arlo talks for 45 seconds

Deportee

Hoyt Axton did it better

Thank you, Swamp Thing. I was just thinking about that song the other night.

Wiki:

“Deportee (Plane Wreck at Los Gatos)” is a protest song with lyrics by Woody Guthrie detailing the January 28, 1948 crash of a plane near Los Gatos Canyon,[1] 20 miles west of Coalinga in Fresno County, California, United States.[2][3] The crash occurred in Los Gatos Canyon and not in the town of Los Gatos itself, which is in Santa Clara County, approximately 150 miles away. Guthrie was inspired to write the song by what he considered the racist mistreatment of the passengers before and after the accident.[1] The crash resulted in the deaths of 32 people, 4 Americans and 28 migrant farm workers who were being deported from California back to Mexico.[3]

History

The genesis of “Deportee (Plane Wreck at Los Gatos)” reportedly occurred when Guthrie was struck by the fact that radio and newspaper coverage of the event did not give the victims’ names, but instead referred to them merely as “deportees.”[2] For example, none of the deportees’ names were printed in the January 29, 1948 New York Times report, only those of the flight crew and the security guard.[3][4] Guthrie responded with a poem, which, when it was first written, featured only rudimentary musical accompaniment, with Guthrie chanting the song rather than singing it.[1] In the poem, Guthrie assigned symbolic names to the dead: “Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita; adiós, mis amigos, Jesús y María…”[5]

1948. 1948. 1948!

This horror has been going on for a long, long time.

And we still couldn’t run this country for a week without “illegals” before the price of everything doubled, at least. Including the price of illegals.

re: #85 brookly red

/so Edwards can make a comeback after all?

It’s fascinating to me how Spitzer’s done a much better job pf rehabilitating himself than Edwards. Perhaps the latter’s constant denials hurt him more? Just a stray thought.

re: #91 jamesfirecat

The ghosts of Lizards future are even worse… for be warned with each opening of the Mystical Green Door, LGF skews more liberal!

Now you’re just being mean!!!
/

re: #91 jamesfirecat

The ghosts of Lizards future are even worse… for be warned with each opening of the Mystical Green Door, LGF skews more liberal!

I first heard of LGF on the Internet Infidels Discussion Board. It was described there as a “right-wing hate site.”

re: #93 JasonA

It’s fascinating to me how Spitzer’s done a much better job pf rehabilitating himself than Edwards. Perhaps the latter’s constant denials hurt him more? Just a stray thought.

IOKIYAR

Pure plain simple IOKIYAR.

re: #63 Tigger2005

Couldn’t find the original and best, with Steve McQueen?

This may be it - Henry Mancini?

Youtube Video

re: #85 brookly redExcept that Edwards prefers his clients deceased. Eliminates all that tedious rebuttal.

re: #93 JasonA

It’s fascinating to me how Spitzer’s done a much better job pf rehabilitating himself than Edwards. Perhaps the latter’s constant denials hurt him more? Just a stray thought.

Spitzer’s damn good at everything he does. I think he could have been president. It’s just too bad that one of those things that he’s good at is banging high priced hookers.

re: #96 jamesfirecat

IOKIYAR

Pure plain simple IOKIYAR.

Huh? They’re both Dems.

re: #100 JasonA

Huh? They’re both Dems.

Sorry my bad I got Spittzer and Sanford mixed up.

re: #85 brookly red

/so Edwards can make a comeback after all?

You don’t think he’ll at least try?

re: #93 JasonA

It’s fascinating to me how Spitzer’s done a much better job pf rehabilitating himself than Edwards. Perhaps the latter’s constant denials hurt him more? Just a stray thought.

maybe, hard to say… it may also have to do with the fact that Spitzer was a prosecutor type and Edwards was a slip & fall type, or maybe he just hired better PR people.

re: #99 recusancy

Spitzer’s damn good at everything he does. I think he could have been president. It’s just too bad that one of those things that he’s good at is banging high priced hookers.

I agree. I didn’t love everything he wanted to do as Gov (he wanted to give illegal aliens drivers licenses, a concept that makes my brain hurt) but after a year and half(?) of Patterson I’d beg him to come back if I could.

re: #93 JasonA

It’s fascinating to me how Spitzer’s done a much better job pf rehabilitating himself than Edwards. Perhaps the latter’s constant denials hurt him more? Just a stray thought.

Edwards hasn’t tried the Comeback Trail yet because the full dope on his lyin’ ass has yet to emerge. There are trials and things to await.

Give it time.

re: #101 jamesfirecat

Sorry my bad I got Spittzer and Sanford mixed up.

At least Spitzer didn’t think call his “lady” his soulmate on live tv.

re: #105 Cato the Elder

Edwards hasn’t tried the Comeback Trail yet because the full dope on his lyin’ ass has yet to emerge. There are trials and things to await.

Give it time.

Yeah, you could be on to something there.

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Behold the ghosts of Lizards Past!

The best of those of that thread are still here, or at least have not been banned.

re: #36 Decatur Deb
Bayou la Batre brown shrimp are the best in the world. Much tastier than the pink ones in the gulf. And the seafood dealers always sell out of them first.
I’ll really hate it if they’re messed up.

re: #106 JasonA

At least Spitzer didn’t think call his “lady” his soulmate on live tv.

Did Spitzer just have one? Just asking.

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did Spitzer just have one? Just asking.

Probably not. I don’t recall the details, except that he kept his socks on…

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did Spitzer just have one? Just asking.

no just a favorite…

re: #103 brookly red

maybe, hard to say… it may also have to do with the fact that Spitzer was a prosecutor type and Edwards was a slip & fall type, or maybe he just hired better PR people.

Also, what he did seemed less rotten. Edwards cheated on his wife while she had cancer. Moreover, he lied about it and covered up more and for longer than did Spitzer.

re: #104 JasonA

I agree. I didn’t love everything he wanted to do as Gov (he wanted to give illegal aliens drivers licenses, a concept that makes my brain hurt) but after a year and half(?) of Patterson I’d beg him to come back if I could.

He subs on MSNBC sometimes and he destroys everyone he argues with. He could have been the first Jewish president in ‘16 right after the first black one. ;)

I’ve been here just over one year and have seen a decent turnover since I’ve arrived. But looking at that thread from 2007 is weird. I saw only a few names I recognized. No one else was familiar. What a difference!

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

The best of those of that thread are still here, or at least have not been banned.

I didn’t go over the thread to see if I commented (probably not) but you sir, are correct.

re: #99 recusancy
He’s damn poor at financial management, IMO.
200K for hookers? And not all that many of them, according to the reports.
Surely he could have gotten a better rate.

re: #88 JasonA

Also, it’s a shame we can’t say that when our government pays KBR $45/coke.

This is an Army Logistics slideshow. Around slide 20 it shows what we pay for battlefield fuel in SWA.

dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil

re: #109 tradewind

Bayou la Batre brown shrimp are the best in the world. Much tastier than the pink ones in the gulf. And the seafood dealers always sell out of them first.
I’ll really hate it if they’re messed up.

Best shrimp I ever had were Mediterranean jumbo prawns served Provencal water-side fresh off the boat. Couldn’t eat more than 4 - they were each the size of a small perch - unbelievable!

re: #30 jamesfirecat

//There once was a time when there was such a thing as a sane Republican in office…

(I know my blue bias is showing)

They have tape for that./

re: #114 recusancy

He subs on MSNBC sometimes and he destroys everyone he argues with. He could have been the first Jewish president in ‘16 right after the first black one. ;)

I’d like to see a female president sooner. A female Jew, perhaps?

re: #117 tradewind

He’s damn poor at financial management, IMO.
200K for hookers? And not all that many of them, according to the reports.
Surely he could have gotten a better rate.

I think I once heard that he wanted to go bareback. Costs extra.

re: #117 tradewind

He’s damn poor at financial management, IMO.
200K for hookers? And not all that many of them, according to the reports.
Surely he could have gotten a better rate.

/Just like a republican, always talking about how the common man could do more with their money then the government can!

re: #121 JasonA

I’d like to see a female president sooner. A female Jew, perhaps?

/isn’t Sarah a Jewish name? LOL

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Darn it. Put in a new hard drive and I forgot to reinstall Adobe.

WARNING… GRAPHIC AND DISGUSTING POST.

Hey All! As some of you know I am a devoted dog owner.

I had heard good things about a certain brand of dog food (which I will not mention because I am not writing an ad for them) so I went through my research routine to figure out if it was good stuff.

It occurred to me that many folks might not know what goes into pet food.

The painful bottom line is that many feeds are slickly packaged to convince us that we are doing the best for beloved pets. However, there is an unbelievable range of ingredients that gets used. High end foods have things in them that do not start out as waste products and try to balance out the nutritional needs of pets in a way that will not lead to obesity. The low end foods like Alpo and Purina are ways of getting rid of waste from slaughter houses (if you are lucky) and even euthanized pets.

Even brands that are very strongly recommended like Nutro or Science Diet are not so great (though much better than bottom tier).

It also unfortunately goes without saying that you should not buy feed from China.

Here is a list of definitions.

braypets.com

Here is an article

dogfoodadvisor.com

“The rendering plant floor is piled high with “raw product”… Thousands of dead dogs and cats; heads and hooves from cattle, sheep, pigs and horses; whole skunks; rats and raccoons… all waiting to be processed. In the ninety degree heat, the piles of dead animals seem to have a life of their own as millions of maggots swarm over the carcasses.

“Two bandanna-masked men begin operating Bobcat mini-dozers, loading the “raw” into a ten-foot deep stainless steel pit. They are undocumented workers from Mexico doing a dirty job. A giant auger at the bottom of the pit begins to turn. Popping bones and squeezing flesh are sounds from a nightmare you will never forget.

“Rendering is the process of cooking raw animal material to remove the moisture and fat. The rendering plant works like a giant kitchen. The cooker, or “chef”, blends the raw product in order to maintain a certain ratio between the carcasses of pets, livestock, poultry waste and supermarket rejects.

“Once the mass is cut into small pieces, it is transported to another auger for fine shredding. It is then cooked at 280 degrees for one hour. The continuous batch cooking process goes on non-stop, 24 hours a day, seven days a week as meat is melted away from bones in the hot “soup”. During this cooking process, the “soup” produces a fat of yellow grease or tallow that rises to the top and is skimmed off. The cooked meat and bone are sent to a hammer-mill press, which squeezes out the remaining moisture and pulverizes the product into a gritty powder. Shaker screens sift out excess hair and large bone chips. Once the batch is finished, all that is left is yellow grease, meat and bone meal.”

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Bayou la Batre fishing is worth 400 million per year.

[Link: www.npr.org…]

They were offering $5,000?

Many of these folks, that’s all they do. And they have a few months each year to make their entire yearly income.

Here’s another tidbit in the link to the story you were responding to:

BP had distributed a contract to fishermen it was hiring that waived their right to sue BP and required confidentiality and other items, sparking protests in Louisiana and elsewhere.

The suit waivers have apparently been stripped out of the contracts, now, but originally, they were hiring only those folks who agreed not to sue?
pffffft.
No wonder the locals are upset.

re: #113 Dark_Falcon
Not the most horrible , but surely the most ridiculous thing that Edwards did in that whole affair was to deny the paternity of that little baby girl who could not look more like him if she had been cloned.
The minute I saw her picture I thought ’ little Silky! ‘.

re: #118 Decatur Deb

This is an Army Logistics slideshow. Around slide 20 it shows what we pay for battlefield fuel in SWA.

[Link: dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil…]

Could you please either quote the relevant passage or give a guy a damn PDF warning? Or both?

I hate that.

re: #128 tradewind

Not the most horrible , but surely the most ridiculous thing that Edwards did in that whole affair was to deny the paternity of that little baby girl who could not look more like him if she had been cloned.
The minute I saw her picture I thought ’ little Silky! ‘.

And being that the possible conception is on video tape.

re: #69 Decatur Deb

In your dreams. Check the history of the EXXON Valdez settlements through the appeals courts.

Exactly! Exxon took it to the supreme court - 20+ years later and won to pay less.

Give me a break. I don’t have faith in BP etc.

re: #121 JasonA

It could be Sarah Palin, I think that might happen, I know Cato would have a fit, but politics is crazy.

re: #119 Casual Talker
They sound lovely….., but those ain’t shrimps. (Sorry, Cato).
:)

re: #119 Casual Talker

Best shrimp I ever had were Mediterranean jumbo prawns served Provencal water-side fresh off the boat. Couldn’t eat more than 4 - they were each the size of a small perch - unbelievable!

Frank Zappa rule applies here - the smaller ones are tastier!

re: #129 Cato the Elder

Could you please either quote the relevant passage or give a guy a damn PDF warning? Or both?

I hate that.

Sorry. Single slide would not copy out.

“Down the seven windmills road…”

What a horrible idea for karaoke… that song.

And American Pie.

Piano Man.

My Way.

re: #132 Ojoe

It could be Sarah Palin, I think that might happen, I know Cato would have a fit, but politics is crazy.

/I hearby decree as Grand Firecat that you and Cato need to get icons that don’t look quite so much alike at first glance.

re: #136 fat bastard vegetarian

“Down the seven windmills road…”

What a horrible idea for karaoke… that song.

And American Pie.

Piano Man.

My Way.

I always pick instrumentals.
/

re: #127 reine.de.tout

The suit waivers have apparently been stripped out of the contracts, now, but originally, they were hiring only those folks who agreed not to sue?
pffft.
No wonder the locals are upset.

Which part of the oil industry has been evil since the days of the octopus (standard oil) needs to be recapitulated? It’s a huge industry and of course, there are good folks who work for hem. But the overall policy of the suits has always been of the most shady moral character. So much money and behind the scenes influence is involved that we should talk about separation of oil and state as much as church and state.

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Whats surprising about that? What goes on in the production of human food is as bad as what goes on for our pets.

Seven windmills? Wait, I still haven’t figured out the three seashells!

re: #141 SteveC

“Demolition Man” Joke?

re: #137 jamesfirecat

Maybe I can find a color photo of Thomas Merton.

re: #141 SteveC

Seven windmills? Wait, I still haven’t figured out the three seashells!

*Laughs*
“He doesn’t know how to use the three seashells!”

re: #134 Cato the Elder

Frank Zappa rule applies here - the smaller ones are tastier!

Frank also said “There is no hell. There is only France.” I would disagree respectfully. I’ll give Frank credit, but he missed the boat on some things. We all make mistakes.

re: #127 reine.de.tout
I’m very glad to see that the AG immediately stepped in and said Oh no You Dih-unt….

re: #81 Charles

Lots of long gone posters, in those comments.

re: #144 Varek Raith

*Laughs*
“He doesn’t know how to use the three seashells!”

Excuse me!

$%$^%#@!@@#

“You have violated….”

I think the windmills are really really beautiful.

I like aircraft forms too.

I’m a tecchie I guess.

BBL

re: #145 Casual Talker

Frank also said “There is no hell. There is only France.” I would disagree respectfully. I’ll give Frank credit, but he missed the boat on some things. We all make mistakes.

He also warned us not to eat yellow snow. Important to me since I live in Florida.
/

G’night kiddies…

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

WARNING… GRAPHIC AND DISGUSTING POST.

Hey All! As some of you know I am a devoted dog owner.

I had heard good things about a certain brand of dog food (which I will not mention because I am not writing an ad for them) so I went through my research routine to figure out if it was good stuff.

It occurred to me that many folks might not know what goes into pet food.

The painful bottom line is that many feeds are slickly packaged to convince us that we are doing the best for beloved pets. However, there is an unbelievable range of ingredients that gets used. High end foods have things in them that do not start out as waste products and try to balance out the nutritional needs of pets in a way that will not lead to obesity. The low end foods like Alpo and Purina are ways of getting rid of waste from slaughter houses (if you are lucky) and even euthanized pets.

Even brands that are very strongly recommended like Nutro or Science Diet are not so great (though much better than bottom tier).

It also unfortunately goes without saying that you should not buy feed from China.

Here is a list of definitions.

[Link: www.braypets.com…]

Here is an article

[Link: www.dogfoodadvisor.com…]

That quote reads like it was lifted straight from Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”, only now we feed ourselves slightly better meat and save that shite for out “pets”.

Thank God, Haku has allergies, so I have to feed him “special” food. Still, I’m none to eager to know exactly what goes into it, either.

And for all those who constantly say how there are legal immigrants or native-born Americans waiting to queue up for the dirty jobs, find me ten anywhere in the country who will run those Bobcats for what the “illegals” are getting paid.

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote
Science Diet is teh swill. Their reps push it on vets like drug reps push samples on doctors.
Nutro can be okay, depending on the type. The organic is pretty good.
With any dog food, you read the label. If one of the first two ingredients is anything including the words ’ digest ’ or ’ meal ’ and is corn, it’s crap.

re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar

He also warned us not to eat yellow snow. Important to me since I live in Florida.
/

I’m a Frankophile and on that piece of advice he was dead on. This one too… - “Politics is the entertainment branch of industry.”.

re: #132 Ojoe

It could be Sarah Palin, I think that might happen, I know Cato would have a fit, but politics is crazy.

Woe is us.

Forget Cato (although I agree with him plus plus plus - wish I was here during 2008)

But if SP is the GOP choice, woe is us.

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Here is a synopsis of various Government regulations for pet food.

That process you described doesn’t seem like it would meet any of these requirements.

re: #152 Cato the Elder

We have this Orange Tomcat, and he lives outside, and he’s very healthy, and when he eats a big rodent, there are parts of it that he will not eat.

It can’t be good to put just everything into that dog food.

BBL again…

re: #140 fat bastard vegetarian

Whats surprising about that? What goes on in the production of human food is as bad as what goes on for our pets.

Not since the FDA was created. If you want to become truly nauseated, read the article I linked.

Low tier pet food is made from the unusable byproducts of the human food industry. That means all the carcasses of critters that dies in the CAFOS - and CAFOS are bad enough! (Thank you GOP for relaxing EPA regulations so that CAFOS were possible!) That means veterinary waste, meal waste from cattle feed operations (the stuff that farmers won’t feed their livestock) supermarket waste (actually the highest quality ingredient (but the plastic wrap too) and of course all the rodents and insects that live in a pile of such horrid waste.

One can argue that protein is protein - however that simply is not true. The primary ingredient is farm feed waste, which has very little nutritional value, and the gunk that gets listed as “meat by products” is stuff that includes all the bits that dogs would not normally eat. Also, there is of course no regulation on the contaminated things that go into the mix.

A catch of fish has too high a mercury rating.. NP you can still sell it to the pet food folks.

So no, it really is much worse than you think.

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny you should mention dogs… I was thinking today of a song that was popular back in the day amongst the college crowd:

MP3 Audio

It might offend some.

em>re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

WARNING… GRAPHIC AND DISGUSTING POST.

Hey All! As some of you know I am a devoted dog owner.

I had heard good things about a certain brand of dog food (which I will not mention because I am not writing an ad for them) so I went through my research routine to figure out if it was good stuff.

It occurred to me that many folks might not know what goes into pet food.

The painful bottom line is that many feeds are slickly packaged to convince us that we are doing the best for beloved pets. However, there is an unbelievable range of ingredients that gets used. High end foods have things in them that do not start out as waste products and try to balance out the nutritional needs of pets in a way that will not lead to obesity. The low end foods like Alpo and Purina are ways of getting rid of waste from slaughter houses (if you are lucky) and even euthanized pets.

Even brands that are very strongly recommended like Nutro or Science Diet are not so great (though much better than bottom tier).

It also unfortunately goes without saying that you should not buy feed from China.

Here is a list of definitions.

[Link: www.braypets.com…]

Here is an article

[Link: www.dogfoodadvisor.com…]

Sounds like something written by Upton Sinclair about Chicago’s Union Stock Yards 100 years ago. Straight out of The Jungle, that post is.

I bought Iams cat food when I had cats.

re: #155 Stanley Sea

Woe is us.

Forget Cato (although I agree with him plus plus plus - wish I was here during 2008)

But if SP is the GOP choice, woe is us.

Meanwhile we Democrats will be popping champagne corks and looking forward to the biggest Presidential land slide in the history of America that hasn’t involved wire tapping or little girls ripping apart flowers….

re: #152 Cato the Elder

That quote reads like it was lifted straight from Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”, only now we feed ourselves slightly better meat and save that shite for out “pets”.

Thank God, Haku has allergies, so I have to feed him “special” food. Still, I’m none to eager to know exactly what goes into it, either.

And for all those who constantly say how there are legal immigrants or native-born Americans waiting to queue up for the dirty jobs, find me ten anywhere in the country who will run those Bobcats for what the “illegals” are getting paid.

If that place is truly being run the way described, it needs to be reported to any one (or all) of the agencies that regulate pet food production.

The person who wrote that article seems to care about pets; surely that caring extends to reporting these conditions when he finds them.

re: #159 freetoken

Funny you should mention dogs… I was thinking today of a song that was popular back in the day amongst the college crowd:

[Video]

It might offend some.

Youtube Video

re: #161 prairiefire

I bought Iams cat food when I had cats.

Iams is one of the worst.

Reputable source?
BP told to stop circulating settlement agreements with coastal Alabamians

Alabama Attorney General Troy King said tonight that he has told representatives of BP Plc. that they should stop circulating settlement agreements among coastal Alabamians.

The agreements, King said, essentially require that people give up the right to sue in exchange for payment of up to $5,000.

my last dog lived to be a healthy 15 living mostly on human food…

re: #163 reine.de.tout

If that place is truly being run the way described, it needs to be reported to any one (or all) of the agencies that regulate pet food production.

The person who wrote that article seems to care about pets; surely that caring extends to reporting these conditions when he finds them.

I’m pretty sure this is what rendering plants do, Reinedeer, and I’m not as hopeful as you are that it’s illegal.

re: #163 reine.de.tout

If that place is truly being run the way described, it needs to be reported to any one (or all) of the agencies that regulate pet food production.

The person who wrote that article seems to care about pets; surely that caring extends to reporting these conditions when he finds them.

So the fact is that it is perfectly legal under current guidelines.

The only thing that is regulated is that they can not claim something is beef if it is not beef, so you see things like “natural meat byproducts (to give beef flavor)”.

Those windmills are starting to look like T-2000s.
Which reminds me…… Sarah Connor Chronicles was really starting to get decent, and the network deep-sixed it. I’m starting to believe that programming decisions are made by a bored maintenance man with a dart board.

re: #25 Charles

There once was a time when Duncan Hunter seemed like one of the sane Republicans.

Incidentally, that wouldn’t be a bad beginning for a fantasy novel (the title could be something like The Tragic Tale of Duncan the Hunter and His Slow Descent Into Madness.

Seriously though, I’m not sure he was that sane to begin with. He introduced the Parents Empowerment Act, which is pretty much what you would expect from a fanatic.

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Reputable source?
BP told to stop circulating settlement agreements with coastal Alabamians

King is a hardcore Republican running for re-election. He’s not going to attack oil carelessly.

re: #152 Cato the Elder

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

GMTA

BP has a shitstorm on their hands…

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

GMTA

Yeah, but mine’s quicker! ;D

re: #170 tradewind

Those windmills are starting to look like T-2000s.
Which reminds me… Sarah Connor Chronicles was really starting to get decent, and the network deep-sixed it. I’m starting to believe that programming decisions are made by a bored maintenance man with a dart board.

Its was fox?

Did you not learn your lesson from Arrested Development and Firefly?

Rupert Murdoch feeds on our tears and sorrow so he learns just what shows we love and then cancels them.

Luckily the Simpsons is his one ring of power, should it ever go off the air he will be banished back to the land of shrimp on the bar-be….

re: #162 jamesfirecat
Relax, junior. She’s not going to be the nominee….. why take that pay cut?
And the Republican nominee will not arise from a tea party.

re: #152 Cato the Elder

That quote reads like it was lifted straight from Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”, only now we feed ourselves slightly better meat and save that shite for out “pets”.

Thank God, Haku has allergies, so I have to feed him “special” food. Still, I’m none to eager to know exactly what goes into it, either.

And for all those who constantly say how there are legal immigrants or native-born Americans waiting to queue up for the dirty jobs, find me ten anywhere in the country who will run those Bobcats for what the “illegals” are getting paid.

OK so for dry food, I strongly recommend the following:

Blue Buffalo, Wellness, Newman’s Own.

However, you are best off feeding your dog a “dog tax” from your human food allotment.

Over Passover, I fed them a mix I made up of ground chicken, ground beef and ground matza (with carrots and peas).

re: #172 Decatur Deb

King is a hardcore Republican running for re-election. He’s not going to attack oil carelessly.

Everyone of those folks needs to talk to the people in Homer Alaska about how they feel today about Exxon before they do anything. Those folks got screwed. Many actually died before any settlement occurred, because it took 20+ years.

“I aimed at the public’s heart, and by accident I hit it in the stomach.”

-Upton Sinclair

re: #168 Cato the Elder

I’m pretty sure this is what rendering plants do, Reinedeer, and I’m not as hopeful as you are that it’s illegal.

The article LVQ linked to described a process full of dangerously contaminated stuff. That is not acceptable.

re: #176 jamesfirecat

Its was fox?

Did you not learn your lesson from Arrested Development and Firefly?

Rupert Murdoch feeds on our tears and sorrow so he learns just what shows we love and then cancels them.

Luckily the Simpsons is his one ring of power, should it ever go off the air he will be banished back to the land of shrimp on the bar-be…

Ah, but Family Guy was able to prove Fox dead wrong.

and they didn’t learn shit.

re: #29 darthstar

Over 500 people (including one US border guard trying to save his dog) have died in the canal in the last year or so.

The article that I just read, said that 500 people have drowned since 1938. That’s not in the last year or so.

re: #166 Killgore Trout
That’s the Mobile Press-Register’s web site, together with the B’ham Post Herald. Probably pretty reliable.
Why do you doubt that a state AG would be indignant that a corporation….. a foreign corporation, to boot… would try to screw over his state?

re: #181 reine.de.tout

The article LVQ linked to described a process full of dangerously contaminated stuff. That is not acceptable.

Not for humans. I’m betting for animal feed it’s perfectly legal.

Acceptable is another matter.

Anyone with expertise on this here?

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote

OK so for dry food, I strongly recommend the following:

Blue Buffalo, Wellness, Newman’s Own.

However, you are best off feeding your dog a “dog tax” from your human food allotment.

Over Passover, I fed them a mix I made up of ground chicken, ground beef and ground matza (with carrots and peas).

Evolution designed dogs to eat what we eat. (That assumes we eat what we are designed to eat.)

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

eckchay yourway ailmay

re: #176 jamesfirecat

Luckily the Simpsons is his one ring of power, should it ever go off the air he will be banished back to the land of shrimp on the bar-be…

So we have to beg/borrow/find/steal The Ring and throw it into Jane Skinner’s volcano?

I’m down with that.

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote

OK so for dry food, I strongly recommend the following:

Blue Buffalo, Wellness, Newman’s Own.

However, you are best off feeding your dog a “dog tax” from your human food allotment.

Over Passover, I fed them a mix I made up of ground chicken, ground beef and ground matza (with carrots and peas).

I would go to a local butcher shop and they would be glad to give me the scraps, I would mix em with either brown rice or oatmeal & maybe some string beans…

re: #182 JasonA

Ah, but Family Guy was able to prove Fox dead wrong.

and they didn’t learn shit.

Fox had 2 things when they started. The Simpson’s and the NFL. The NFL kept them afloat and they gradually rose from there.

FDA on pet food:

Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act

The Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act requires that pet foods, like human foods, be pure and wholesome, contain no harmful or deleterious substances, and be truthfully labeled. The Act states, among many other things, that a food may be deemed to be adulterated if it contains poisonous or deleterious substances which may render it injurious to health; if it has been prepared, packed, or held under unsanitary conditions whereby it may have been contaminated with filth or rendered injurious to health; if it contains any part or product of a diseased animal; or if its container is composed of any poisonous or deleterious substance which may render its contents injurious to health.

re: #182 JasonA

Ah, but Family Guy was able to prove Fox dead wrong.

and they didn’t learn shit.

I have begun to enjoy Family Guy less and less.

The hour long show tonight was awful in the extreme and I turned it off after about five minutes.

American Dad still going strong though!

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote
Newman’s Own?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahah.
You’d be better off making a tax deductible contribution to the Hole-In-The-Wall-Gang, and getting the food somewhere else.

re: #147 Floral Giraffe

Lots of long gone posters, in those comments.

No they are still here in spirit… scratching at the door… wishing to be returned after being cast out and banned to hell.

re: #180 JasonA

“I aimed at the public’s heart, and by accident I hit it in the stomach.”

-Upton Sinclair

My grandfather met him while working at the Kansas City Star. My grandpa thought he was kind of strange, but my grandpa was a Cadillac driving, country club republican, so he might have been biased.

re: #182 JasonA

Ah, but Family Guy was able to prove Fox dead wrong.

and they didn’t learn shit.

I tried to watch tv again, today.
“Family Guy” was why I turned it off.
Learning to juggle
Laserhawk is on the DVD(yard sale 2 months ago.

re: #185 Cato the Elder

Not for humans. I’m betting for animal feed it’s perfectly legal.

Acceptable is another matter.

Anyone with expertise on this here?

I worked for 15 years at the La. Dept of Agriculture.
The meat inspectors told me that the standards for pet food exceeded those for human food. They had no reason to lie to me.

re: #176 jamesfirecat

Its was fox?

Did you not learn your lesson from Arrested Development and Firefly?

Rupert Murdoch feeds on our tears and sorrow so he learns just what shows we love and then cancels them.

You can say that again. I have similar feelings towards HBO and Rome. I’m almost afraid to start watching A Game of Thrones

re: #198 Nimed

You can say that again. I have similar feelings towards HBO and Rome. I’m almost afraid to start watching A Game of Thrones

That looks cool.

re: #198 Nimed

You can say that again. I have similar feelings towards HBO and Rome. I’m almost afraid to start watching A Game of Thrones

Rome was only ever supposed to go two seasons. Basically following the career of my young countryman Octavian until he becomes the First Emperor.

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

No they are still here in spirit… scratching at the door… wishing to be returned after being cast out and banned to hell.

Call [no phone numbers allowed]

re: #199 prairiefire

That looks cool.

If you haven’t read the novels, you envy you deeply.

re: #196 swamprat

I tried to watch tv again, today.
“Family Guy” was why I turned it off.
Learning to juggle
Laserhawk is on the DVD(yard sale 2 months ago.

It’s not for everyone. :)

re: #197 reine.de.tout

I worked for 15 years at the La. Dept of Agriculture.
The meat inspectors told me that the standards for pet food exceeded those for human food. They had no reason to lie to me.

Maybe they were trying to make you feel better? The “exceeded” part sounds mighty fishy to me.

re: #200 Cato the Elder

Rome was only ever supposed to go two seasons. Basically following the career of my young countryman Octavian until he becomes the First Emperor.

Not true from what I’ve read in interviews. It was just too damn expensive.

re: #200 Cato the Elder

Rome was only ever supposed to go two seasons. Basically following the career of my young countryman Octavian until he becomes the First Emperor.

And they managed to wrap up Arrested Development in a satisfactory way after only two and a half seasons, that still doesn’t mean there shouldn’t have been more of it!

re: #202 Nimed

If you haven’t read the novels, you envy you deeply.

Ok, I’ll envy me deeply. ; )

SFZ should know about this. She has mad sci-fi/fantasy skills.

uh oh… I just looked at my pocket change & there is a 1952 penny in almost perfect condition. In Brooklyn that means someones coin collection just got swiped…

re: #207 prairiefire

Ok, I’ll envy me deeply. ; )

SFZ should know about this. She has mad sci-fi/fantasy skills.

All I want is a TV series or movie based around the adventures of Gotrek and Felix.

re: #200 Cato the Elder

Rome was only ever supposed to go two seasons. Basically following the career of my young countryman Octavian until he becomes the First Emperor.

Eh eh.

But so much cool stuff would happen if they had continued the series!
Snif…

Night, lizards.

re: #201 SteveC

Call [no phone numbers allowed]

That was the phone number from the movie Ghostbusters. :(

“We are ready to believe you!”

re: #185 Cato the Elder

Not for humans. I’m betting for animal feed it’s perfectly legal.

Acceptable is another matter.

Anyone with expertise on this here?

As I said, it is perfectly legal.

Believe me when I first got into studying this, after I found out the goings on, I asked lots of those questions to the various legal types in my family.

There is no regulation on the ingredients to pet food. If you can prove that a certain food poisoned your pet to death, you might have a law suit, but it would be difficult to prove and the settlement would generally not offset the court costs.

About the best you can do is get them on the illegal labor angle or on certain EPA violations if their plant effects ground water. However, many of these plants are in states like Texas whose legislatures are predisposed to hate environmental regulations for a reason. I will find the link, but one plant is notorious for taking the dead cats and dogs from high kill shelters and adding them to the mix.

As a consumer though, there are people who know about this and there is a sufficient market for the high end pet foods that it is possible to buy things that are not wholly terrible.

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

No they are still here in spirit… scratching at the door… wishing to be returned after being cast out and banned to hell.

Squealing actually:

MP3 Audio

Martin’s “A Song of Ice Fire” is one of the most loved fantasies written in recent times. It’s not finished yet, much to our chagrin, but I’d recommend it to anyone who might have an interest in the genre.

re: #204 Cato the Elder

Maybe they were trying to make you feel better? The “exceeded” part sounds mighty fishy to me.

It sounded fishy to me too.
No, I had no pets at the time, I just came across some folks in the hall one day, talking about a place they had closed down because the rat excrement found at the place exceeded the requiremens. So we just got to talking, it was a general conversation, and they made the comment that the standards for pet food exceeded those for human food. I was surprised but they insisted it was absolutely true. Again, just a general conversation I happened upon, and they, I guess, appreciated my interest and that particular item stuck with me.

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

No they are still here in spirit… scratching at the door…

Don’t be so modest, Ludwig. They are here to read and then obsess over what you write.

re: #176 jamesfirecat
Fox has an incredible lock on prime time….. the other three don’t come close.
NBC has cancelled more excellent shows than any of the other networks, IMO. I’m still missing Charlie Crews from Life.

Anyone really interested in the history of oil spills (Exxon Valdez) etc. I am going to post a link to themudflats.net - an Alaskan blog. This is an entry talking about the event in the Gulf.

Go down approx 1/2 way in the post (below the photo of the oil soaked bird from Valdez) to see a very interesting email the blogger received. It discusses the platform in the Gulf that just failed, how it was state of the art etc.

themudflats.net

re: #218 tradewind

Fox has an incredible lock on prime time… the other three don’t come close.
NBC has cancelled more excellent shows than any of the other networks, IMO. I’m still missing Charlie Crews from Life.

Life was one of my favorite shows when it was on.

re: #203 JasonA

It’s not for everyone. :)

No, it’s not. Especially when you are starting with 2 lb pilates exercise balls.

re: #191 reine.de.tout

FDA on pet food:

Yes and that is all subject to debate and legal fees. The fact is that the FDA was cut to the quick and has a hard enough time enforcing the human food industry.

One could imagine the law being aggressively enforced on the federal level… but one would be imagining.

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

No they are still here in spirit… scratching at the door… wishing to be returned after being cast out and banned to hell.

I think many of them, were smart enough to move on with their lives.
I wish they all were, but I’m not in charge of their heads.
Charles is!

re: #152 Cato the Elder

That quote reads like it was lifted straight from Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”, only now we feed ourselves slightly better meat and save that shite for out “pets”.

Thank God, Haku has allergies, so I have to feed him “special” food. Still, I’m none to eager to know exactly what goes into it, either.

And for all those who constantly say how there are legal immigrants or native-born Americans waiting to queue up for the dirty jobs, find me ten anywhere in the country who will run those Bobcats for what the “illegals” are getting paid.

I doubt humans have ever given their “pets” first choice of the available food, but while I kind of get why you put “pets” in quotes, I don’t get why you put “illegals” in quotes.

Am I nitpicking here? Either they are or they are not.

Speaking of Game of Thrones, I love the voice of the narrator they picked for the audiobook:

audible.com

re: #217 Reginald Perrin

Don’t be so modest, Ludwig. They are here to read and then obsess over what you write.

Well I suppose I am their current least favorite lizard. They really hate the whole science bit and pointing out the memes and messages of the early Nazis.

However, I take that “crown” after a long line of far greater lizards who have gone before me, like Reine, KT, you Hoops and Ice. I am not worthy of such honor.

re: #225 JasonA

Speaking of Game of Thrones, I love the voice of the narrator they picked for the audiobook:

[Link: www.audible.com…]

Best damn fantasy series ever. I will blaspheme and say that I even like it better than Tolkien and Fiest.

1 mile north of SR 98? That is just 2 mi detour -
Check maps.google.com; search for “all american canal Calexico”
(one needs to check the mentioned web site and list of casualties)

re: #222 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes and that is all subject to debate and legal fees. The fact is that the FDA was cut to the quick and has a hard enough time enforcing the human food industry.

One could imagine the law being aggressively enforced on the federal level… but one would be imagining.

Louisiana does its own inspections through what’s called a “cooperative” agreement with the feds. They don’t inspect here; our own inspectors do the inspecting.

At any rate - it wasn’t the ingredients that grossed me out, they are what they are, I mean LVQ - I live in a place where people eat pickled pig snouts and head cheese, and love ‘em.

It was the unsanitary conditions at the place that totally grossed me out. Ugh.

re: #227 LudwigVanQuixote

Best damn fantasy series ever. I will blaspheme and say that I even like it better than Tolkien and Fiest.

HERETIC!

re: #215 JasonA

Martin’s “A Song of Ice Fire” is one of the most loved fantasies written in recent times. It’s not finished yet, much to our chagrin, but I’d recommend it to anyone who might have an interest in the genre.

It is the only series in the genre that truly is literary in scope, style and depth of character. It is to Tolkien what the new BSG was to the old one.

re: #215 JasonA

Martin’s “A Song of Ice Fire” is one of the most loved fantasies written in recent times. It’s not finished yet, much to our chagrin, but I’d recommend it to anyone who might have an interest in the genre.

I would like to upding your comment 100 times. I can only add to that it’s the proverbial Fantasy Novel That People Who Don’t Like the Fantasy Genre Should Read.

re: #227 LudwigVanQuixote

Best damn fantasy series ever. I will blaspheme and say that I even like it better than Tolkien and Fiest.

By book three, Storm of Swords, this series totally eclipses anything Tolkien wrote for me.

re: #227 LudwigVanQuixote

Best damn fantasy series ever. I will blaspheme and say that I even like it better than Tolkien and Fiest.

I enthusiastically subscribe your heresy!

re: #187 Reginald Perrin

eckchay yourway ailmay

Will do.

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

Which part of the oil industry has been evil since the days of the octopus (standard oil) needs to be recapitulated? It’s a huge industry and of course, there are good folks who work for hem. But the overall policy of the suits has always been of the most shady moral character. So much money and behind the scenes influence is involved that we should talk about separation of oil and state as much as church and state.

The Roi has always told me - if anything happens to him, I will be contacted and offered a settlement, and I should NOT take it until I’ve gotten legal counsel.

re: #224 Naso Tang

I doubt humans have ever given their “pets” first choice of the available food, but while I kind of get why you put “pets” in quotes, I don’t get why you put “illegals” in quotes.

Am I nitpicking here? Either they are or they are not.

I don’t care if they’re “illegal” or not. That’s my point of view on the whole question.

re: #226 LudwigVanQuixote
I suspect it’s just the brevity thing.
Maybe if you elaborated a little…
:)

‘Nite, all.

re: #232 Nimed

I would like to upding your comment 100 times. I can only add to that it’s the proverbial Fantasy Novel That People Who Don’t Like the Fantasy Genre Should Read.

They do have to be a good reader, though. There are a lot of characters to follow.

re: #226 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you for educating us and making this place such a storehouse of fascinating information.

Thanks!

re: #227 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, put in my LGF Amazon cart! Thank you!

re: #236 reine.de.tout

The Roi has always told me - if anything happens to him, I will be contacted and offered a settlement, and I should NOT take it until I’ve gotten legal counsel.

You never do anything without a lawyer when law is applied.

re: #233 JasonA

By book three, Storm of Swords, this series totally eclipses anything Tolkien wrote for me.

Well they are two totally different things. The star of Tolkien’s writig is Middle Earth itself. However his plots and characters are more than a little one dimensional - which was by design. He was after all going for a myth made from scratch.

The Song of Ice and Fire is about characters who are deeply memorable and the plot is as complex and page turning and unpredictable (yet satisfyingly so) as anything I have ever read. The twits in it are my favorite kind - you never saw them coming, but once revealed make perfect sense, were actually subtly hinted at and move the story forward in a cool way, rather than just being a “twist” for the sake of a twist.

With Tolkien, every little detail of the world he built mattered and had a back story. With Martin every little character matters and has a profound effect on something.

Something smells funny…

re: #187 Reginald Perrin

Nada, aqui!
//

Tomorrow I’ll know how the CGC graded the Lizard Collection’s copy of X-Men #1.

It took them about a month to get it appraised and sent back. They said “two business weeks.”

re: #233 JasonA