Video: Dutch Marines Board Hijacked Ship
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This helmet-cam video shows Dutch marines storming a ship hijacked by pirates, in a real-life version of a first-person shooter game.
335 comments
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 10:07:42am |
Wait?! Isn't that the guy who was taking off his shirt in Times Square? //
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 10:12:33am |
Awesome. There is a stark contrast between the professional soldiers who carried out the raid and the scruffy looking pirates.
They weren't fooling around- strafing the deck with machine gun fire before repelling in.
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McSpiff Mon, May 3, 2010 10:14:00am |
Key difference between this and a video game? Lack of racial slurs in the video.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 10:18:17am |
re: #4 McSpiff
Key difference between this and a video game? Lack of racial slurs in the video.
Really? You speak Dutch?
Don't fuck with the Dutch. If their guns don't get you, the language will.
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 10:21:54am |
Thats very cool! Train 'em up and go get 'em! As far as I'm concerned and pirate boat spotted on its way to hijack a ship should be blown out o' the water! Gee, you think that putting a small surveillance helicopter aboard the cargo ships and arm them to the teeth would put a stop to the hijackings?
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 10:22:54am |
re: #2 DaddyG
Awesome. There is a stark contrast between the professional soldiers who carried out the raid and the scruffy looking pirates.
They weren't fooling around- strafing the deck with machine gun fire before repelling in.
If you find holes in your Walmart tubesocks, you know how they got there.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, May 3, 2010 10:23:51am |
re: #5 Cato the Elder
Really? You speak Dutch?
Don't fuck with the Dutch. If their guns don't get you, the language will.
I wouldn't mess with anyone that carries guns bigger than what I own.
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 10:25:14am |
re: #5 Cato the Elder
Really? You speak Dutch?
Don't fuck with the Dutch. If their guns don't get you, the language will.
I grew up with a Dutch family living next door, and let me tell you they are very volatile folks! Permissive to a ridiculous point but don't cross the line or you'll regret it! I leaned it the hard way! Their my second family and I love them to pieces but hooo boy, look out if you piss them off! My bestfriend is their daughter and I spent a lot of time over there, I understand dutch but my ability to speak it is limited to all the swear words!
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Joo-LiZ Mon, May 3, 2010 10:25:20am |
I love one of the top-rated comments on the video:
TheAsshats These graphics suck! MW2 is much better.
MW2 = Modern Warfare 2... a first person shooter video game.
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Bob Dillon Mon, May 3, 2010 10:26:07am |
OT Breaking ...
Britain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Hungary join U.S., France in walking out of Ahmadinejad speech at U.N.
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, May 3, 2010 10:26:32am |
Infinity Ward should sue...or maybe it's the other way around...
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 10:26:53am |
re: #10 Dragon_Lady
I grew up with a Dutch family living next door, and let me tell you they are very volatile folks! Permissive to a ridiculous point but don't cross the line or you'll regret it! I
leanedlearned it the hard way! Their my second family and I love them to pieces but hooo boy, look out if you piss them off! My bestfriend is their daughter and I spent a lot of time over there, I understand dutch but my ability to speak it is limited to all the swear words!
PIMF! Oooops!
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Pip's Squeak Mon, May 3, 2010 10:27:05am |
I speak Dutch. The Dutch can be very racist. There is no linguistic trace of this here.
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subsailor68 Mon, May 3, 2010 10:28:15am |
Heh, I don't really have anything to say - other than great job Dutch marines!
But this is my 5000th post! Whee!
;-)
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 10:28:21am |
re: #15 Pip's Squeak
I speak Dutch. The Dutch can be very racist. There is no linguistic trace of this here.
Don't speak Dutch with Dragon Lady.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 10:28:43am |
re: #15 Pip's Squeak
Wasn't it John Candy who was fluent in Porn... wasn't it Dutch? Or Sweedish? From "Splash".
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engineer cat Mon, May 3, 2010 10:28:51am |
a dutch frienre: #14 Dragon_Lady
don't worry - i've leaned the hard way so often that i've fallen and i can't get up!
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 10:29:05am |
re: #12 Bobibutu
OT Breaking ...
Britain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Hungary join U.S., France in walking out of Ahmadinejad speech at U.N.
The stuff coming out of his mouth probably reminded them that they needed to take a crap.
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 10:29:59am |
re: #15 Pip's Squeak
I speak Dutch. The Dutch can be very racist. There is no linguistic trace of this here.
My second Mom was very, very raciest! My best-friend was absolutely not allowed to socialized with anyone who was African American, Mexican American or any other colored race! We weren't even allowed to talk about them in her house! Thats what I meant about crossing the line.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 3, 2010 10:31:26am |
re: #12 Bobibutu
OT Breaking ...
Britain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Hungary join U.S., France in walking out of Ahmadinejad speech at U.N.
nice
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:32:06am |
re: #12 Bobibutu
OT Breaking ...
Britain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Hungary join U.S., France in walking out of Ahmadinejad speech at U.N.
sweet. do you have a good source?
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Stanghazi Mon, May 3, 2010 10:33:58am |
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 10:34:17am |
re: #12 Bobibutu
OT Breaking ...
Britain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Hungary join U.S., France in walking out of Ahmadinejad speech at U.N.
Yay! I hope the SOB finally gets the point! But... somehow I doubt it. He's got the skin of a rhino and the ego of a megalomaniac and the brains of a pig, not to mention the manners and the smell!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 10:34:50am |
re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Swedish, sorry.
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, May 3, 2010 10:35:15am |
re: #15 Pip's Squeak
I speak Dutch. The Dutch can be very racist. There is no linguistic trace of this here.
Even if there was 'trace''s of racist words. Would it take away from what is being done?
I can promise, if in a place where MY life is on the line, I doubt Geneva conventions, PC speak, or anything will be on the table. Bite, clawing, scratching, boston curbing, groin kicks, 20 hits when the combatant is down for good measure, at a minimum. Let the lawyers sort it out. (which is why I couldn't be military and hobbled by BS.)
Win(.)Period
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:37:34am |
re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Swedish, sorry.
i thought you were going for Sweeetish, which i understand to be an acceptable substitute/
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, May 3, 2010 10:38:00am |
And gotta go get, 'teh boy'.
Later peeps.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 10:38:06am |
re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No. Fuckin'. Quarter.
They gave plenty of quarter. Or did you seen any pirates getting shot after surrendering?
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Stanghazi Mon, May 3, 2010 10:38:13am |
What the hell is going on with people on planes? Drink? Drugs? Just nuts?
[Link: www.kpvi.com...]
A Skywest Airlines flight headed from Helena, Montana to Salt Lake City had to be diverted to Idaho Falls Sunday night.
Investigators say an unruly passenger was banging on the cockpit door forcing pilots to make the emergency landing just before 6:00 p.m.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 10:39:08am |
re: #31 Cato the Elder
That was a "If I got to make the rules"... thingy.
Capture them, shoot them, throw their asses overboard.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 10:39:38am |
re: #12 Bobibutu
OT Breaking ...
Britain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Hungary join U.S., France in walking out of Ahmadinejad speech at U.N.
How many times a year does he get to give a goddamn speech? Seems like the last one was only three months ago or thereabouts.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 3, 2010 10:39:43am |
re: #26 Dragon_Lady
Yay! I hope the SOB finally gets the point! But... somehow I doubt it. He's got the skin of a rhino and the ego of a megalomaniac and the brains of a pig, not to mention the manners and the smell!
Wouldn't it have been a good idea if all the delegates stuck around to listen to what he had to say? How can we ever move forward if we don't want to listen?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:39:44am |
re: #15 Pip's Squeak
I speak Dutch.
The DutchPeople can be very racist. There is no linguistic trace of this here.
Racism, unfortunately, respects no creed, color, or border.
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mr.ja Mon, May 3, 2010 10:41:02am |
re: #15 Pip's Squeak
I speak Dutch. The Dutch can be very racist. There is no linguistic trace of this here.
As a native speaker - agreed. Very professional action, and good use of the helmet cam. Considering that they actually had RPG, the shooting in the beginning was really much necessary.
We as Dutch are just as anybody else - you'll find racists, left- and right-wing nuts in the country - but mostly, they're just normal folk really...
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Pip's Squeak Mon, May 3, 2010 10:41:44am |
re: #36 Aceofwhat?
True, but I was responding to McSpiff, at no.4
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:42:37am |
re: #37 mr.ja
As a native speaker - agreed. Very professional action, and good use of the helmet cam. Considering that they actually had RPG, the shooting in the beginning was really much necessary.
We as Dutch are just as anybody else - you'll find racists, left- and right-wing nuts in the country - but mostly, they're just normal folk really...
Wonderful hosts...i loved visiting Holland. It was always a pleasure.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:43:44am |
re: #38 Pip's Squeak
True, but I was responding to McSpiff, at no.4
I know, sorry. think of it as agreeing and expounding...i did a poor job of making that clearer in my edit. mea culpa-
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McSpiff Mon, May 3, 2010 10:44:17am |
re: #5 Cato the Elder
Really? You speak Dutch?
Don't fuck with the Dutch. If their guns don't get you, the language will.
Oddly enough I'd probably have an easier time picking out racial slurs than normal conversational Dutch. Ah junior high...
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Bob Dillon Mon, May 3, 2010 10:44:26am |
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 10:45:19am |
re: #39 jaunte
From that page:
"Queen Noor on nuclear disarmament..."
Why in the name of Jupiter's big swinging cod would anyone care what the widow of a dead Jordanian king has to say about anything?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:46:20am |
re: #44 Cato the Elder
From that page:
"Queen Noor on nuclear disarmament..."
Why in the name of Jupiter's big swinging cod would anyone care what the widow of a dead Jordanian king has to say about anything?
it's an aljezeera site...what did you expect?
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Bob Dillon Mon, May 3, 2010 10:46:21am |
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
Wouldn't it have been a good idea if all the delegates stuck around to listen to what he had to say? How can we ever move forward if we don't want to listen?
They did that last time ... so, no. No more!
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 10:46:34am |
re: #44 Cato the Elder
From that page:
"Queen Noor on nuclear disarmament..."
Why in the name of Jupiter's big swinging cod would anyone care what the widow of a dead Jordanian king has to say about anything?
What would a British Princess normally know about landmines>
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jaunte Mon, May 3, 2010 10:46:45am |
re: #44 Cato the Elder
I'm pretty sure 'royalty' is an outmoded concept.
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 10:46:51am |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
What the hell is going on with people on planes? Drink? Drugs? Just nuts?
[Link: www.kpvi.com...]
Probably the alcohol.
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
Wouldn't it have been a good idea if all the delegates stuck around to listen to what he had to say? How can we ever move forward if we don't want to listen?
I'll never forget the first flight I took after 911, I was feeling fine, even reading a book while we waited to take off. Then the plane started moving toward the runway and I freaked out and the tears started down my face! I didn't even realize I was scared until the plane started moving! Only my innate good sense kept me from going outta my mind and causing a scene. I asked the flight attendant for some water and as soon as she saw my face she knew I was on the virge and rushed to get me a drink. My fellow passengers were watching me like a hawk for about the first 10 or 15 minutes of the flight the I got control of my panic and things eased off. Not something I'll ever forget.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:47:04am |
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Olsonist Mon, May 3, 2010 10:48:20am |
re: #39 jaunte
Ajad is a nut and the UN is mostly symbolic. The correct response to Ajad is a walkout. If he actually has anything interesting to say, which so far he hasn't, it can be read.
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Bob Dillon Mon, May 3, 2010 10:49:35am |
re: #50 Aceofwhat?
i think that was sarcasm;)
The thot crossed my mind ... wasn't taking any chances. ;-)
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 10:49:43am |
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
Wouldn't it have been a good idea if all the delegates stuck around to listen to what he had to say? How can we ever move forward if we don't want to listen?
If he would just say something worth listening to folks would stick around! He has a really bad habit of sticking his foot in his mouth and offending as many people as he can so nobody wants to give him the time of day let alone listen to him talk! Besides the entire world knows he just a puppet for the mullahs, and all they want is to destroy Israel. Why listen to him if all he does is spout gibberish from the extremists who pull his strings?
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 10:50:02am |
re: #49 Dragon_Lady
I'll never forget the first flight I took after 911, I was feeling fine, even reading a book while we waited to take off. Then the plane started moving toward the runway and I freaked out and the tears started down my face! I didn't even realize I was scared until the plane started moving! Only my innate good sense kept me from going outta my mind and causing a scene. I asked the flight attendant for some water and as soon as she saw my face she knew I was on the virge and rushed to get me a drink. My fellow passengers were watching me like a hawk for about the first 10 or 15 minutes of the flight the I got control of my panic and things eased off. Not something I'll ever forget.
I took precautions.
Three double gin-and-tonics before I ever got on the plane.
This was less than a month after 9/11.
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mr.JA Mon, May 3, 2010 10:50:17am |
re: #42 McSpiff
Oddly enough I'd probably have an easier time picking out racial slurs than normal conversational Dutch. Ah junior high...
Don't try to pick up everything as a racial slur - our sense of humor is possibly a bit coarser than the US-american, and we use some words that indicate racism in English, but are normal part of our polite vocab. For example, the dutch word 'neger', obviously resembles 'n*****' - however, in dutch this actually mean 'black person'. However, don't refer to someone as a 'black person', as that (at least to me) would be a racial slur... it's not easy to discriminate these things if you haven't spend a reasonable time in the country I guess.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:50:23am |
re: #52 Bobibutu
The thot crossed my mind ... wasn't taking any chances. ;-)
I like Walter. He's dumb like a fox...
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mr.JA Mon, May 3, 2010 10:52:12am |
re: #40 Aceofwhat?
Wonderful hosts...i loved visiting Holland. It was always a pleasure.
Cheers ace, you Americans aren't that bad either... at least you guys know what 'costumer service' means...
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MrSilverDragon Mon, May 3, 2010 10:52:25am |
re: #54 Cato the Elder
I took precautions.
Three double gin-and-tonics before I ever got on the plane.
This was less than a month after 9/11.
Yep, that was my prescription on my first flight after 9/11. Then I added 3 more. I think it was a very relaxing flight, as I slept through most of it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 3, 2010 10:53:26am |
re: #57 mr.JA
Cheers ace, you Americans aren't that bad either... at least you guys know what 'costumer service' means...
We learned it from the French.
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Virginia Plain Mon, May 3, 2010 10:54:06am |
re: #58 MrSilverDragon
Yep, that was my prescription on my first flight after 9/11. Then I added 3 more. I think it was a very relaxing flight, as I slept through most of it.
Melatonin works just as well.
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McSpiff Mon, May 3, 2010 10:54:38am |
re: #55 mr.JA
O I've given up on Dutch humor. My family comes from Canadian farming country, all kinds of Dutch. Awesome people once you accept that 'blunt' is a matter of national pride.
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Virginia Plain Mon, May 3, 2010 10:54:46am |
I wonder if there is an equivalent in Dutch for "America, Fuck Yeah!".
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 10:55:06am |
re: #55 mr.JA
Don't try to pick up everything as a racial slur - our sense of humor is possibly a bit coarser than the US-american, and we use some words that indicate racism in English, but are normal part of our polite vocab. For example, the dutch word 'neger', obviously resembles 'n*****' - however, in dutch this actually mean 'black person'. However, don't refer to someone as a 'black person', as that (at least to me) would be a racial slur... it's not easy to discriminate these things if you haven't spend a reasonable time in the country I guess.
It's precisely the same inversion in German. But try explaining to an American that "Schwarzer" is the pejorative and "Neger" the polite term. Oddly, I've seen more white Americans freak out about that than blacks.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 10:56:23am |
re: #60 Virginia Plain
Melatonin works just as well.
In my experience, that's the most useless "drug" on the market.
At least with gin I know how to dose myself properly.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, May 3, 2010 10:56:27am |
re: #60 Virginia Plain
Melatonin works just as well.
Melatonin doesn't do much of anything to me, unfortuately. Neither do most sleep aids, over the counter or prescription. But it's a good thought for others, to be sure.
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 10:57:33am |
re: #57 mr.JA
Cheers ace, you Americans aren't that bad either... at least you guys know what 'costumer service' means...
Oh? Really? Manners are on the dive here and if you say thank you to someone for helping you they look at you like your crazy. I spent over 20 years in customer service and let me tell you the most abusive crap came my way on a regular basis! Most customer service agents these days are like robots, no smile, no real help and is all because of the abuse customers heap on them. I try real hard not to take any anger or frustration on customer service agents because I've been there and received that! I'm not sure I ever want to back into that end of business again. It just too stressful.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 10:57:45am |
re: #63 Cato the Elder
It's precisely the same inversion in German. But try explaining to an American that "Schwarzer" is the pejorative and "Neger" the polite term. Oddly, I've seen more white Americans freak out about that than blacks.
heh. i love little wrinkles in life which distinguish between polite sensitivity and ignorant political correctness...makes me laugh...
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mr.JA Mon, May 3, 2010 10:57:57am |
re: #63 Cato the Elder
It's precisely the same inversion in German. But try explaining to an American that "Schwarzer" is the pejorative and "Neger" the polite term. Oddly, I've seen more white Americans freak out about that than blacks.
Sorry to correct you here, but it is not. Neger is definitely not correct in Germany - I've been put in place by some colleagues whenever I've said this. I think 'schwarzer' is quite acceptable here, but I'll see if I find a native speaker...
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Spider Mensch Mon, May 3, 2010 10:57:58am |
re: #63 Cato the Elder
It's precisely the same inversion in German. But try explaining to an American that "Schwarzer" is the pejorative and "Neger" the polite term. Oddly, I've seen more white Americans freak out about that than blacks.
and put the 2 together and what do you get? why the Govenor of california of course ))))
" You a funny guy, Spider! Dat's vy I'm gonna kill you last..."
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 10:59:07am |
re: #63 Cato the Elder
It's precisely the same inversion in German. But try explaining to an American that "Schwarzer" is the pejorative and "Neger" the polite term. Oddly, I've seen more white Americans freak out about that than blacks.
The harm is never in the word. That's why the Euphemism-That-Dare-Not-Speak-Its-Name is too silly to use.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 10:59:18am |
re: #68 mr.JA
Sorry to correct you here, but it is not. Neger is definitely not correct in Germany - I've been put in place by some colleagues whenever I've said this. I think 'schwarzer' is quite acceptable here, but I'll see if I find a native speaker...
Excuse me, but I spent the entire 80s in Germany. Unless the inversion has been inverted since then, I stand by my statement.
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mr.JA Mon, May 3, 2010 10:59:31am |
re: #61 McSpiff
O I've given up on Dutch humor. My family comes from Canadian farming country, all kinds of Dutch. Awesome people once you accept that 'blunt' is a matter of national pride.
Then you can fuck off... ;)
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 11:00:32am |
re: #62 Virginia Plain
I wonder if there is an equivalent in Dutch for "America, Fuck Yeah!".
I believe it translates as "America, Fuck Off!"
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:00:56am |
re: #62 Virginia Plain
I wonder if there is an equivalent in Dutch for "America, Fuck Yeah!".
I don't know, but it should include something about the red light district and the hash bars. ;)
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 11:01:47am |
By the way, every time I see the name of the UN Secretary General (not a general), I think of it as an imperative demand.
"Ban Ki-Moon!"
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 11:02:06am |
re: #74 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't know, but it should include something about the red light district and the hash bars. ;)
If they have soccer fans, they have the expression.
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 3, 2010 11:02:56am |
re: #63 Cato the Elder
It's precisely the same inversion in German. But try explaining to an American that "Schwarzer" is the pejorative and "Neger" the polite term. Oddly, I've seen more white Americans freak out about that than blacks.
I haven't grown up with racism and racial sensitivity all around me, and it still surprises me sometimes just how sensitive the American consciousness is towards racial words, even ones that aren't slurs. And yes, it is primarily among white Americans.
Soon after I first got to the US, I was talking to a friend and he was trying to point out someone he knew across a large, crowded hall. We spent ten minutes with 'that guy, there - in the... suit, next to, um, the blonde girl', and I even made a couple of trips across the hall to introduce myself to said person, failing both times. Eventually, I started to realise who he meant, and said, 'you mean the black guy?'
One black guy in a room of 200 people, and he was still so sensitive about using the descriptor that we played a ridiculous dance for ten minutes.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 11:03:03am |
re: #71 Cato the Elder
Excuse me, but I spent the entire 80s in Germany. Unless the inversion has been inverted since then, I stand by my statement.
Of course, it's entirely possible that is has, Mr. JA.
Where do you currently reside?
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Spider Mensch Mon, May 3, 2010 11:04:36am |
re: #74 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't know, but it should include something about the red light district and the hash bars. ;)
well there is that olf Amsterdam tourism line..." come for the hash, stay for the hookers!" or " Amsterdam, we put a whole different spin on the term "window shopping! ;) "
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Spider Mensch Mon, May 3, 2010 11:05:18am |
re: #79 Spider Mensch
well there is that olf Amsterdam tourism line..." come for the hash, stay for the hookers!" or " Amsterdam, we put a whole different spin on the term "window shopping! ;) "
pimf olf = old
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mr.JA Mon, May 3, 2010 11:06:45am |
re: #71 Cato the Elder
Excuse me, but I spent the entire 80s in Germany. Unless the inversion has been inverted since then, I stand by my statement.
I just double-checked with a colleague, and in this time and age schwarzer is 'better' than 'neger' - he said that you'll never find 'neger' written in newspaper these days, but the he learned it as a normal word in school. However, he grew up in the DDR...
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Eagle Mon, May 3, 2010 11:06:47am |
in a real-life version of a first-person shooter game
Totally. That was better than Quake!
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subsailor68 Mon, May 3, 2010 11:06:57am |
re: #79 Spider Mensch
well there is that olf Amsterdam tourism line..." come for the hash, stay for the hookers!" or " Amsterdam, we put a whole different spin on the term "window shopping! ;) "
Hmm....over there do they say "From tulips to G-d's ear"?
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 11:07:16am |
Well my friends I must get to my house work. If I don't get it done today and have a rest tomorrow I'll be too wiped out to go over to my parents house on Wednesday and do their house work! Take care all and Keep Laughing! ;)
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Stanghazi Mon, May 3, 2010 11:08:35am |
I've got to sign off - too much news. Maybe work will have more of a calming effect.
An exploding manhole on West 40th Street in Midtown shot flames three stories high at 1:40 p.m. Monday, and at least one other manhole cover blew off, fire officials said. No injuries were immediately reported. After the explosion, a firefighter yelled: “It’s not Disneyland, people. Get the hell out of the way.”
[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 11:08:49am |
re: #81 mr.JA
I just double-checked with a colleague, and in this time and age schwarzer is 'better' than 'neger' - he said that you'll never find 'neger' written in newspaper these days, but the he learned it as a normal word in school. However, he grew up in the DDR...
That's happened here, also. "Negro" was absolutely the most polite term available, but now I'm told it offends.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 11:09:25am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 11:10:38am |
re: #86 Decatur Deb
That's happened here, also. "Negro" was absolutely the most polite term available, but now I'm told it offends.
"colored people" vs "people of color" much?/
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mr.JA Mon, May 3, 2010 11:11:03am |
re: #78 Cato the Elder
Of course, it's entirely possible that is has, Mr. JA.
Where do you currently reside?
I now live in Jena, former DDR. Stuck here to do my PhD, hence still at work at 8pm...
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, May 3, 2010 11:11:56am |
re: #85 Stanley Sea
After the explosion, a firefighter yelled: “It’s not Disneyland, people. Get the hell out of the way.”[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]
A real FDNY would say "it's not fucking Disneyland"
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:12:41am |
re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I hate mondays.
Me too. Especially when I have a hangover. 2 hours and 45 minutes to go.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 11:12:49am |
re: #81 mr.JA
I just double-checked with a colleague, and in this time and age schwarzer is 'better' than 'neger' - he said that you'll never find 'neger' written in newspaper these days, but the he learned it as a normal word in school. However, he grew up in the DDR...
I would not be at all surprised to learn that what I learned in the 1980s is now vollkommen überholt. Now that I think about it, it may already have been on the cusp of changing when I left. But when I was learning German in the States, my teachers and professors made a point of teaching the same rule that you mentioned as being in effect in Dutch.
What I believe is still true is the reversal of sensitivities between Americans and Germans regarding sex/"gender" designations. Americans get upset if you call them a "waitress" or an "actress" - everybody's a waiter and an actor now. In German, it's quite the opposite - women insist on having the female designatress "-in" put after their job/profession. If you ever called a female actor a "Schauspieler" instead of a "Schauspielerin", she would deck you - or take you to bed as a cute trophy foreigner.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 11:13:17am |
re: #88 Aceofwhat?
"colored people" vs "people of color" much?/
Yes, a lot of shift. The first was always a bit condescending, the second sounds smarmy.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 11:13:36am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 3, 2010 11:13:51am |
re: #85 Stanley Sea
I've got to sign off - too much news. Maybe work will have more of a calming effect.
[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]
This is not uncommon, it's not terrorism related, I've seen it happen myself... up close and personal, when I lived in Brooklyn. Dangerous... it can be if you get bonked by the manhole cover, but it's not unusual.
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 11:13:53am |
re: #87 Aceofwhat?
Doom baby, complete with the BFG (Big Frakkin' Gun).... better yet.. Duke Nuke'em. Yeah, baby...
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:14:44am |
re: #62 Virginia Plain
I wonder if there is an equivalent in Dutch for "America, Fuck Yeah!".
Tiptoe Through the Tulips, perhaps?
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 3, 2010 11:14:56am |
Well the Moving Company sales rep just left and will email my company a quote for the move..And I've been reviewing houses on-line with my Realtor today.. Time is growing short..About 60 days and I'm gone from Indiana.
I'm glad the only thing I have to pack is clothes...
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 11:15:15am |
re: #96 Walter L. Newton
With all the rain we've gotten in the last 24 hours, I'm not surprised about the manhole explosion. Happens fairly regularly in a city where most of the utilities are underground.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 11:16:18am |
re: #99 HoosierHoops
Well the Moving Company sales rep just left and will email my company a quote for the move..And I've been reviewing houses on-line with my Realtor today.. Time is growing short..About 60 days and I'm gone from Indiana.
I'm glad the only thing I have to pack is clothes...
It's a good thing that Winston can pack himself into the car!
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webevintage Mon, May 3, 2010 11:16:33am |
Well I am back again to ask for opinions on what to buy.
I played with a friends ipod Touch last night for hours (even download the Kindle app for it and read a free book) and now I'm pretty sure I am going to buy one since it fills my 2 wants.
Want to be able to sit on my sofa and wander the internet and I can read books on it.
The 8G is under $200 which is much more in my price range.
What I am wondering if anyone has had the chance to use both the 8G and 32G and if there is a big difference in how they work?
I will not be downloading movies or tv shows to watch on such a small scree, but may put a limited amount of music on it.
As always I appreciate your opinions.
Thanks
(ipad (too big) and kindles (not really internet acessible) more then we can pay, iphone would add way too much to my wireless bill when you consider i only make about 15 calls a month on my call as it is.)
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:16:43am |
re: #92 Mad Al-Jaffee
Me too. Especially when I have a hangover. 2 hours and 45 minutes to go.
80 minutes sitting in a Pass and Decal office, then going over some project issues which are the same issues that didn't get resolved from the week before. The only bright point so far is the confirmation we're cutting some dead weight from the team.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 11:17:10am |
re: #77 Renaissance_Man
I haven't grown up with racism and racial sensitivity all around me, and it still surprises me sometimes just how sensitive the American consciousness is towards racial words, even ones that aren't slurs. And yes, it is primarily among white Americans.
Soon after I first got to the US, I was talking to a friend and he was trying to point out someone he knew across a large, crowded hall. We spent ten minutes with 'that guy, there - in the... suit, next to, um, the blonde girl', and I even made a couple of trips across the hall to introduce myself to said person, failing both times. Eventually, I started to realise who he meant, and said, 'you mean the black guy?'
One black guy in a room of 200 people, and he was still so sensitive about using the descriptor that we played a ridiculous dance for ten minutes.
It's not as if the guy didn't know he's black.
You're right, there's often this dance, just to show how unfazed we are by race.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 11:17:24am |
re: #96 Walter L. Newton
This is not uncommon, it's not terrorism related, I've seen it happen myself... up close and personal, when I lived in Brooklyn. Dangerous... it can be if you get bonked by the manhole cover, but it's not unusual.
I've seen two or three go up at once, Con Edison steam transmission (I think). New Yorkers hardly glance at it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 3, 2010 11:17:55am |
re: #100 lawhawk
With all the rain we've gotten in the last 24 hours, I'm not surprised about the manhole explosion. Happens fairly regularly in a city where most of the utilities are underground.
Yep... that's what I was referring to. It happens a lot more than one would realize if you don't spend 24 hours a day in a city like NYC. I've seen all sorts of stuff coming out of manholes... fire, smoke, water, homeless people, steam (all the time)... animals... there is a whole active, alive subterranean world below the streets of NYC.
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webevintage Mon, May 3, 2010 11:18:10am |
re: #99 HoosierHoops
Well the Moving Company sales rep just left and will email my company a quote for the move..And I've been reviewing houses on-line with my Realtor today.. Time is growing short..About 60 days and I'm gone from Indiana.
I'm glad the only thing I have to pack is clothes...
We moved a number of times when we were first married with my husband's job and the best were always the ones where we got to have a moving company come in and do it.
I hate moving so much now I think the next time I move will be into an urn on the mantle.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 11:18:33am |
re: #97 lawhawk
Doom baby, complete with the BFG (Big Frakkin' Gun)... better yet.. Duke Nuke'em. Yeah, baby...
I have a soft spot for Quake, which was huge on campus in multiplayer mode, but you're right. Duke Nukem set the single-player standard.
"It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of gum."
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:19:06am |
I do see that the Dutch Marines are fluent in international Marine. The fine art of combining loudness, hand gestures, and firepower into a effective communications tool.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:19:17am |
re: #106 Walter L. Newton
Yep... that's what I was referring to. It happens a lot more than one would realize if you don't spend 24 hours a day in a city like NYC. I've seen all sorts of stuff coming out of manholes... fire, smoke, water, homeless people, steam (all the time)... animals....
C.H.U.D.s!!!!
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Pip's Squeak Mon, May 3, 2010 11:19:29am |
re: #93 Cato the Elder
In Dutch I think one would tend to replace nouns with a gender reference by an abstraction. For example, one would probably avoid speaking about the 'waitress', and instead invoke the 'service' (bediening).
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:20:13am |
re: #104 reine.de.tout
It's not as if the guy didn't know he's black.
You're right, there's often this dance, just to show how unfazed we are by race.
Of course, I'm reminded of the Richard Pryor movie where he was blind.
"YOU MEAN I'M NOT WHITE!"
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 3, 2010 11:20:37am |
re: #111 Pip's Squeak
In Dutch I think one would tend to replace nouns with a gender reference by an abstraction. For example, one would probably avoid speaking about the 'waitress', and instead invoke the 'service' (bediening).
They do that in German, too - "die Bedienung". But "die Kellnerin" is still perfectly acceptable.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 11:20:53am |
re: #12 Bobibutu
OT Breaking ...
Britain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Hungary join U.S., France in walking out of Ahmadinejad speech at U.N.
That's at least decent news.
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 11:23:20am |
re: #106 Walter L. Newton
Well, when the CHUD come out, that's when you know it's time to move.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 3, 2010 11:23:48am |
re: #107 webevintage
We moved a number of times when we were first married with my husband's job and the best were always the ones where we got to have a moving company come in and do it.
I hate moving so much now I think the next time I move will be into an urn on the mantle.
I move about every 3 years...I'll spend a year in Oklahoma then 3 years in Singapore and then I'm praying I get to go back home to California...I'll send most of my stuff back to Napa in storage when I go to Singapore..I'll just get a furnished Apt. in a high rise in the Trade free zone..All I need is clothes and my dog.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 11:24:38am |
re: #99 HoosierHoops
Well the Moving Company sales rep just left and will email my company a quote for the move..And I've been reviewing houses on-line with my Realtor today.. Time is growing short..About 60 days and I'm gone from Indiana.
I'm glad the only thing I have to pack is clothes...
No question...moving on the company dime spoils you. My first company move was such a magical thing. These people descended on my house in a swarm...i never realized how wonderful it would be to watch someone else pack my stuff.
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mr.JA Mon, May 3, 2010 11:26:02am |
re: #93 Cato the Elder
What I believe is still true is the reversal of sensitivities between Americans and Germans regarding sex/"gender" designations. Americans get upset if you call them a "waitress" or an "actress" - everybody's a waiter and an actor now. In German, it's quite the opposite - women insist on having the female designatress "-in" put after their job/profession. If you ever called a female actor a "Schauspieler" instead of a "Schauspielerin",
This is absolutely true, to call a Schauspielering a Schauspieler would just be wrong.
However, I have the idea that in the US, gender-based discrimination is sometimes tackled a bit better, by for example forcing a certain % of female speakers on federally-funded meetings (I'm talking about academia here). Europe is lacking behind in that, and sometimes it still feels like the 'old boys network' if you see some meetings here.
she would deck you - or take you to bed as a cute trophy foreigner.
LOL! Yes, as foreigner you often are a bit of a novelty pet...
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jerk Mon, May 3, 2010 11:26:14am |
Impressive, but not a video game that I'd like to play. The enemies surrender pretty quickly and there are no explosions.
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 11:27:01am |
re: #88 Aceofwhat?
"colored people" vs "people of color" much?/
I refer to myself in front of my black colleagues (and yes that is their preferred term) as melanin deficient. That one usually breaks the ice. Strangely enough as a white male I'm a minority in many of the groups I work with around the state.
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:27:08am |
Not trying to create a conspiracy theory, but...
Fuck you, Dana. Stop being a part of the problem.
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webevintage Mon, May 3, 2010 11:27:24am |
re: #117 Aceofwhat?
No question...moving on the company dime spoils you. My first company move was such a magical thing. These people descended on my house in a swarm...i never realized how wonderful it would be to watch someone else pack my stuff.
You have to be careful, I've had a moving company pack my trash!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:27:26am |
re: #115 lawhawk
Well, when the CHUD come out, that's when you know it's time to move.
Can you name the well known actor who had a small role (early in his career) in that movie?
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 11:28:04am |
re: #119 jerk
Impressive, but not a video game that I'd like to play. The enemies surrender pretty quickly and there are no explosions.
...and a startling lack of zombies.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:28:58am |
re: #54 Cato the Elder
I will only be afraid to board a plane where it appears that the pilot is afraid to board the plane.
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:29:01am |
re: #123 Mad Al-Jaffee
Can you name the well known actor who had a small role (early in his career) in that movie?
John Goodman
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:30:05am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:30:11am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 11:30:22am |
re: #122 webevintage
You have to be careful, I've had a moving company pack my trash!
they get to charge you for the box and the packing materials! it's so true - if you haven't thrown it away yet, they're packing it.
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 11:30:40am |
re: #123 Mad Al-Jaffee
You're not referring to Daniel Stern are you?
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 11:30:42am |
re: #121 darthstar
Not trying to create a conspiracy theory, but...
Fuck you, Dana. Stop being a part of the problem.
It's obvious. Lefities want to obstruct drilling to protect the birdies and the fishies, so the the best way is to cover the bleedin' ocean with oil and smother the little beasts.
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 11:31:00am |
re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I will only be afraid to board a plane where it appears that the pilot is afraid to board the plane.
I had a buddy who worked for Boeing. He memorized the tail number of each of the planes built by management during a prologned strike and swore if he ever saw the numbers on one of his flights- he'd turn around and take the next plane.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:31:26am |
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 11:31:39am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:32:54am |
I just finished watching "Raise the Red Lantern". Lovely, and terribly sad movie.
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:33:39am |
re: #131 Decatur Deb
It's obvious. Lefities want to obstruct drilling to protect the birdies and the fishies, so the the best way is to cover the bleedin' ocean with oil and smother the little beasts.
One of the other fox fuckwits, Eric Bolling, said the following:
The question is, and I saw Dana Perino earlier on the show saying, you know, what, why the delay in the response. You guys were pointing out, nine days before it’s even addressed. Twelve days before he made a formal comment. The question is did they let this thing leak? I mean, I know BP said 1,000 barrels a day went to 5,000. Did they let it leak a little bit and say, "boy I don’t know." I mean, the conspiracy theorists would say, maybe they let it leak for a while and then they address the issue.
Yeah, let's let it "leak" (underwater fucking gusher of 20,000+ barrels per day isn't exactly a "leak")...what harm could that do? We can just sink a giant cork from Acme cork company (Wile. E. Coyote is their sales rep) and plug the hole when we're ready.
Fucktards.
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:33:49am |
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:34:06am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:34:39am |
re: #131 Decatur Deb
If I were an evil Middle Eastern oil sheik... I'd be sending out squads to bomb American oil platforms and pipelines...
I'm just sayin...
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:34:58am |
re: #130 lawhawk
You're not referring to Daniel Stern are you?
Was my first thought, but saying it was in a small role discounted him.
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recusancy Mon, May 3, 2010 11:35:16am |
re: #44 Cato the Elder
From that page:
"Queen Noor on nuclear disarmament..."
Why in the name of Jupiter's big swinging cod would anyone care what the widow of a dead Jordanian king has to say about anything?
Why do people care what Laura Bush has too say?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 11:35:28am |
re: #136 darthstar
Yeah, let's let it "leak" (underwater fucking gusher of 20,000+ barrels per day isn't exactly a "leak")...what harm could that do? We can just sink a giant cork from Acme cork company (Wile. E. Coyote is their sales rep) and plug the hole when we're ready.
Fucktards.
I don't understand the logic of this, other than pointless blather to fill airtime. Dude, just admit you don't have anything to say and go to commercial.
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:35:41am |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just finished watching "Raise the Red Lantern". Lovely, and terribly sad movie.
One of my favorite movies of all time...I love Gong Li movies in general, but "Raise the Red Lantern" is a masterpiece...I'll have to throw that in my neflix queue and watch again it on my new big-fuckin-flat-screen TV my brother gave me this weekend. The audio score to that movie is haunting, in my opinion.
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 11:36:17am |
Oh no. No one needs to politicize the oil spill. We don't need further restrictions on drilling that hamstring our economy. We also don't need conspiracy nuts using this as... well... a further excuse to be nuts.
One incident no matter how horrible does not a good policy foundation make. Certainly BP needs to be held accountable for the damage and anything they could have done to prevent it.
This is tragic all over and it doesn't need to be politicized.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:36:43am |
re: #143 darthstar
Was my first time seeing it. Can't take the visual out of my mind.
I do love Chinese film. That make me a commie?
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 11:37:22am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I were an evil Middle Eastern oil sheik... I'd be sending out squads to bomb American oil platforms and pipelines...
I'm just sayin...
Which may be yet another reason why God dropped you in your particular mother's womb! Far away from middle-east oil shekdom.
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 11:38:02am |
re: #141 recusancy
Why do people care what Laura Bush has too say?
I'm sure George finds listening to her a safe bet.
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badger1970 Mon, May 3, 2010 11:38:07am |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just finished watching "Raise the Red Lantern". Lovely, and terribly sad movie.
"Sad" is not exactly the word I would have came up with.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 3, 2010 11:38:17am |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
I don't understand the logic of this, other than pointless blather to fill airtime. Dude, just admit you don't have anything to say and go to commercial.
Don't these people have pre-teens at home to tell them how stupid they sound?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:38:42am |
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:38:46am |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just finished watching "Raise the Red Lantern". Lovely, and terribly sad movie.
You should also check out "The Story of Qui Jou", "Ju Dou", and "Farewell, My Concubine"...all three are fantastic. "Shanghai Triad" was another good one, but it pales in comparison to Red Lantern and the above three.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:39:04am |
re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Was my first thought, but saying it was in a small role discounted him.
I'm looking at the CHUD imdb listing. Jon Polito was also in it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:41:08am |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I got Zombieland from Netflix this weekend but I haven't watched it yet.
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:41:32am |
re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Was my first time seeing it. Can't take the visual out of my mind.
I do love Chinese film. That make me a commie?
The visuals in those movies are fantastic...the use of color and set...they really are works of art.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 3, 2010 11:41:51am |
re: #153 Mad Al-Jaffee
I got Zombieland from Netflix this weekend but I haven't watched it yet.
I watched it Friday.. funnier than hell
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:42:22am |
re: #153 Mad Al-Jaffee
I got Zombieland from Netflix this weekend but I haven't watched it yet.
I watched that a few weeks ago...actually a fun flick. Woody Harrelson is pretty good in it. And the Bill Murray scene is hilarious.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:42:26am |
re: #146 DaddyG
Which may be yet another reason why God dropped you in your particular mother's womb! Far away from middle-east oil shekdom.
That's Dr. Evil Oil Sheik to you! I didn't spend five years in Evil Imam school to be called Mr., thank you very much.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:42:50am |
re: #153 Mad Al-Jaffee
Let me know what you think. I was blown away by it.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 11:43:05am |
re: #153 Mad Al-Jaffee
I got Zombieland from Netflix this weekend but I haven't watched it yet.
funny stuff
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badger1970 Mon, May 3, 2010 11:43:47am |
The next presenter in Texas history day, aka, post TAKS wind-down, is the author of this book.
[Link: www.markgmitchell.com...]
My office is in the library at the school, unlike the Haiti pretension this morning, the kids are little antsy and had to set the mic and speakers.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:44:18am |
re: #154 darthstar
Probably the prettiest red color I've ever seen... Of course my tv's messed up right now and everythings a bit redder and greener.
That reminds me! GOTTA GO TO THE CABLE COMPANY!
BBL!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:45:15am |
re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Let me know what you think. I was blown away by it.
Since I really like zombie movies, I think I'm going to like it.
Tonight 24's on and I have to watch the episode of Breaking Bad I taped last night. I probably won't get around to watching it until later this week.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:45:57am |
re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"An evil petting zoo?"
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:46:11am |
re: #144 DaddyG
One incident no matter how horrible does not a good policy foundation make. Certainly BP needs to be held accountable for the damage and anything they could have done to prevent it.This is tragic all over and it doesn't need to be politicized.
Thanks to the Exxon Valdez and GHWB, BP is responsible...for up to 75 million dollars in damages. 75 million. For a company with a 6 billion dollar quarterly profit. That's 1.25% of their profit margin...for a quarter.
As far as the politicization of this, the damages are going to be in the tens of billions and last for decades...it will be a political football for a generation.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:47:51am |
I had a really good weekend. Played my favorite gig of the year:
[Link: www.waldorfeggfest.com...]
The guy who runs it has a daughter I've become friends with over the years. I told her I'm turning 40 this month and she couldn't believe me. Said I don't look a day over 25! That's always nice to hear, especially from a good looking young woman.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 11:47:55am |
re: #164 darthstar
Thanks to the Exxon Valdez and GHWB, BP is responsible...for up to 75 million dollars in damages. 75 million. For a company with a 6 billion dollar quarterly profit. That's 1.25% of their profit margin...for a quarter.
As far as the politicization of this, the damages are going to be in the tens of billions and last for decades...it will be a political football for a generation.
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 11:48:06am |
Re: NYC manhole fire/explosions.
Here's more info. West 40th Street between 7th and 8th Avenues. Transformer fire now affecting a 14-story building. High CO readings requiring evacuations.
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:49:48am |
re: #166 Aceofwhat?
Sure, they'll pay more for the cleanup, but their liability to the people they hurt is currently capped at 75 million. Some senators are pushing for a change in that law to increase oil company liability to 10 billion...it's a start.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:50:22am |
I JUST FIXED MY TV! WOO HOO!
Okay, here's where it gets embarrassing... Been watching it for three weeks like this with no blue on screen...
Pulled out the cable box to unhook it? The blue cable? Was loose. Now my TV's pretty again, but I'm feeling stupid.
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garhighway Mon, May 3, 2010 11:50:49am |
re: #164 darthstar
Thanks to the Exxon Valdez and GHWB, BP is responsible...for up to 75 million dollars in damages. 75 million. For a company with a 6 billion dollar quarterly profit. That's 1.25% of their profit margin...for a quarter.
As far as the politicization of this, the damages are going to be in the tens of billions and last for decades...it will be a political football for a generation.
Do you have a link for that $75M damage cap?
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:51:09am |
re: #165 Mad Al-Jaffee
That looks like a fun meat-nomming event.
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:51:34am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:51:35am |
re: #168 darthstar
Can they be "grandfathered" backward? I don't think so.
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recusancy Mon, May 3, 2010 11:52:15am |
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DaddyG Mon, May 3, 2010 11:52:18am |
re: #167 lawhawk
Re: NYC manhole fire/explosions.
Here's more info. West 40th Street between 7th and 8th Avenues. Transformer fire now affecting a 14-story building. High CO readings requiring evacuations.
Weird- MARTA (Atlanta Subway) was shut down in places today with a fire in one of their midtown tunnels. I hope it is a coincidence.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:52:29am |
re: #171 darthstar
That looks like a fun meat-nomming event.
Oh it is! I always eat more meat at that event than I do during the rest of the year. I still can't believe I get paid to be there!
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recusancy Mon, May 3, 2010 11:52:57am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:53:02am |
Okay, now this is starting to piss me off... Links to Huffpo/links to KOS?
What kind of CRAZY UNIVERSE IS THIS BECOMING!?!
/
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 11:53:32am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, now this is starting to piss me off... Links to Huffpo/links to KOS?
What kind of CRAZY UNIVERSE IS THIS BECOMING!?!
/
Dogs and cats living together!!
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recusancy Mon, May 3, 2010 11:53:43am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, now this is starting to piss me off... Links to Huffpo/links to KOS?
What kind of CRAZY UNIVERSE IS THIS BECOMING!?!
/
Reality has a liberal bias. //
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 11:54:02am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, now this is starting to piss me off... Links to Huffpo/links to KOS?
What kind of CRAZY UNIVERSE IS THIS BECOMING!?!
/
Before you know it, you'll be updinging cordell!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 11:54:12am |
re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can they be "grandfathered" backward? I don't think so.
No, it cannot. The courts would strike an attempt to do so down as an ex post facto law. You can't retroactively raise criminal or civil penalties in the USA.
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 11:54:37am |
re: #175 DaddyG
Most definitely a coincidence given that there are always manhole fires in NYC - it's just that this one is worse than usual. You can go through youtube and find footage from any number of incidents - usually seeing smoke/flames/sparks erupting from manholes.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:54:56am |
re: #172 darthstar
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
re: #174 recusancy
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
THEN
re: #177 recusancy
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
AM I ON CRAZY PILLS?
/
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 11:56:04am |
re: #166 Aceofwhat?
“We are responsible, not for the accident, but we are responsible for the oil and for dealing with it and cleaning the situation up,” Hayward said.
Not for the accident. I'd bet my right arm that turns out to be baloney.
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 11:56:25am |
re: #177 recusancy
In addition, individual states along the Gulf have oil spill fund fees (collected from the oil companies drilling), which will likely be used to defray some costs, but the funds are minute compared to the potential damage involved.
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recusancy Mon, May 3, 2010 11:56:52am |
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garhighway Mon, May 3, 2010 11:57:41am |
re: #177 recusancy
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
If I am reading this right, then BP (and others) have been paying into this fund for decades, and in exchange for that they get a limit of liability. Sounds kind of like insurance.
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 11:57:59am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, now this is starting to piss me off... Links to Huffpo/links to KOS?
What kind of CRAZY UNIVERSE IS THIS BECOMING!?!
/
I'll only link stories that have actual merit. The diarists at dKos are pretty good at doing research, and while the site is dismissed as a 'liberal blog' I have seen on several occasions where they cover a story several weeks, if not months, before any actual "media" companies cover them. Granted, there are some CT diarists there, but by and large, many of the regulars who hit the rec list and front pagers are very good at citing their research.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:58:00am |
re: #181 reine.de.tout
Before you know it, you'll be updinging cordell!
GAK! I HAVE!
I'M A LIBRUL! KILZ MEEEE!
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 11:58:43am |
Where does Pres. Obama get off announcing that BP is liable before there has been an investigation?
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 11:59:00am |
re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
GAK! I HAVE!
I'M A LIBRUL! KILZ MEEE!
I have too.
Wigged myself out, I did.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 11:59:13am |
re: #190 darthstar
Really, I was kidding.
I don't go to other blogs. Period.
If I need to see something, my large research staff will find it for me and post it here.
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recusancy Mon, May 3, 2010 11:59:33am |
re: #189 garhighway
If I am reading this right, then BP (and others) have been paying into this fund for decades, and in exchange for that they get a limit of liability. Sounds kind of like insurance.
Yup. They've been paying peanuts in exchange for almost no liability.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:00:14pm |
re: #190 darthstar
I'll only link stories that have actual merit. The diarists at dKos are pretty good at doing research, and while the site is dismissed as a 'liberal blog' I have seen on several occasions where they cover a story several weeks, if not months, before any actual "media" companies cover them. Granted, there are some CT diarists there, but by and large, many of the regulars who hit the rec list and front pagers are very good at citing their research.
There's someone who posts here, KeithGabryelski, who, I think is (or was) a KOS diarist, and I've found him to be quite reasonable, even though on the completely opposite side of the political spectrum from me.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:00:44pm |
re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Really, I was kidding.
I don't go to other blogs. Period.
If I need to see something, my large research staff will find it for me and post it here.
Your Large Research Staff is spelled LGF, I take it?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:00:52pm |
re: #197 reine.de.tout
Keith is quite reasonable. And smart.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:01:10pm |
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 12:01:19pm |
re: #194 reine.de.tout
I have too.
Wigged myself out, I did.
That is one person I hope I never have to upding! Petty of me I know but I still think he smells! (just popped in for a quick lurk!)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:01:28pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 12:01:36pm |
re: #193 Spare O'Lake
Where does Pres. Obama get off announcing that BP is liable before there has been an investigation?
It's their rig, therefore they have to pay. They also won't want to see his "fix" if they do not. This spill is a crisis, and Obama will not let it go to waste.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:02:12pm |
re: #201 Dragon_Lady
That is one person I hope I never have to upding! Petty of me I know but I still think he smells! (just popped in for a quick lurk!)
Every now and then he's very calm and rational and makes a good point. Hard to believe, I know, but there you have it. Credit where it's due . . .
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:02:24pm |
re: #200 reine.de.tout
Actually there are a bunch of reasonable smart libs here.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:02:45pm |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually there are a bunch of reasonable smart libs here.
Indeed. No argument from me.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, May 3, 2010 12:02:59pm |
re: #153 Mad Al-Jaffee
I got Zombieland from Netflix this weekend but I haven't watched it yet.
I watched it last night. I'm not really into zombie films, but this one was really good.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:03:03pm |
re: #168 darthstar
Sure, they'll pay more for the cleanup, but their liability to the people they hurt is currently capped at 75 million. Some senators are pushing for a change in that law to increase oil company liability to 10 billion...it's a start.
and what does GHWB have to do with it? you'll pardon me if this doesn't feel like a random, fairly unsubstantiated swipe at republicans.
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 3, 2010 12:03:25pm |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually there are a bunch of reasonable smart libs here.
I know! They're so CUTE! Do you think they're tame enough to feed?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 12:03:28pm |
re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Keith is quite reasonable. And smart.
Wow! I thought at first you meant Olbermann. I'm glad I went back and read the comment you were replying to.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 12:03:58pm |
re: #203 Dark_Falcon
It's their rig, therefore they have to pay. They also won't want to see his "fix" if they do not. This spill is a crisis, and Obama will not let it go to waste.
Just seemed to me like a bit of gratuitous puffery.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:04:48pm |
Boy, ESPN sure is riding that JaMarcus Russell guy. Sorry, Toots! Ain't y'all ashamed? Boy eating a bit too much red beans and rice?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 12:04:56pm |
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Donna Ballard Mon, May 3, 2010 12:05:43pm |
re: #209 Renaissance_Man
I know! They're so CUTE! Do you think they're tame enough to feed?
Yeah but you gotta watch out for those teeth! Very, very sharp! //
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:05:43pm |
re: #189 garhighway
If I am reading this right, then BP (and others) have been paying into this fund for decades, and in exchange for that they get a limit of liability. Sounds kind of like insurance.
re: #196 recusancy
re: #190 darthstar
OH...you mean the law that the democratic congress passed in 1986...damn that GHWB...who knew his evil hand reached that far back/
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:05:53pm |
re: #209 Renaissance_Man
I know! They're so CUTE! Do you think they're tame enough to feed?
Most of 'em!
/All cute and snuggly and touchy-feely and all.
I won't mention cordell, since he's not here.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:06:02pm |
re: #210 Mad Al-Jaffee
Wow! I thought at first you meant Olbermann. I'm glad I went back and read the comment you were replying to.
Only in an alternate universe (I'd have a goatee, like the bad Captain Kirk) would I ever say that that fuck-wad is reasonable.
Libs should be ashamed of him.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:06:28pm |
re: #207 Alouette
I watched it last night. I'm not really into zombie films, but this one was really good.
told ya;)
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garhighway Mon, May 3, 2010 12:06:54pm |
re: #193 Spare O'Lake
Where does Pres. Obama get off announcing that BP is liable before there has been an investigation?
The operator is always liable. They might be able to share their liability with others, but it starts with them.
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Lidane Mon, May 3, 2010 12:07:56pm |
re: #13 Oh no...Sand People!
Infinity Ward should sue...or maybe it's the other way around...
Infinity Ward are too busy imploding and suing Activision while their employees jump ship:
[Link: arstechnica.com...]
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 3, 2010 12:08:11pm |
re: #219 Aceofwhat?
told ya;)
Rule #1 Cardio
Rule # 2 Double tap
I laughed like crazy about the Hostess truck scene
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 12:08:23pm |
re: #211 Spare O'Lake
Just seemed to me like a bit of gratuitous puffery.
Yes, but Obama goes in for that a lot.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:08:49pm |
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 12:09:43pm |
re: #203 Dark_Falcon
They lease the rig, so it's not an outright ownership. That complicates matters some, but they do have legal obligations to act where they are liable and culpable. They're the public face of this crisis, so they've got to act to mitigate the oil spill done at a facility leased by BP. The owner of the rig is also liable, particularly if it turns out that the owner was somehow responsible for the incident leading to the fire/spill.
As for the liability limits/fund limits, consider that these laws were written following Exxon Valdez, and the costs/fees/fund limits didn't keep pace with the rate of inflation and costs today, so they would have to be adjusted for inflation to keep them at levels consistent with today's situation. The law should be written with a CPI inflation measure - so the levels rise periodically and don't leave a funding gap in case of a disaster.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:10:53pm |
re: #222 HoosierHoops
Rule #1 Cardio
Rule # 2 Double tap
I laughed like crazy about the Hostess truck scene
"I'm not great at farewells, so...that'll do, pig."
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recusancy Mon, May 3, 2010 12:11:31pm |
re: #225 lawhawk
They lease the rig, so it's not an outright ownership. That complicates matters some, but they do have legal obligations to act where they are liable and culpable. They're the public face of this crisis, so they've got to act to mitigate the oil spill done at a facility leased by BP. The owner of the rig is also liable, particularly if it turns out that the owner was somehow responsible for the incident leading to the fire/spill.
As for the liability limits/fund limits, consider that these laws were written following Exxon Valdez, and the costs/fees/fund limits didn't keep pace with the rate of inflation and costs today, so they would have to be adjusted for inflation to keep them at levels consistent with today's situation. The law should be written with a CPI inflation measure - so the levels rise periodically and don't leave a funding gap in case of a disaster.
What about Haliburton?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:11:38pm |
re: #226 Aceofwhat?
ya know, some people ain't seen it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:12:19pm |
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darthstar Mon, May 3, 2010 12:12:25pm |
re: #227 recusancy
What about Haliburton?
Shh...don't say the sacred name of Halliburton without at least excusing them of any liability no matter how small.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:13:03pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 3, 2010 12:14:00pm |
re: #231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I told you to see it! Did ya love it, or what!?!?
(no spoilers)
Fun movie!
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MandyManners Mon, May 3, 2010 12:14:01pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:14:02pm |
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 12:14:02pm |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
ya know, some people ain't seen it.
Once the theatrical release is complete, all bets are off.
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MandyManners Mon, May 3, 2010 12:14:35pm |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, May 3, 2010 12:14:40pm |
re: #222 HoosierHoops
Rule #1 Cardio
Rule # 2 Double tap
I laughed like crazy about the Hostess truck scene
I loved the scene where they trash the Arizona souvenir shop.
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garhighway Mon, May 3, 2010 12:16:13pm |
re: #227 recusancy
What about Haliburton?
I would expect BP to attempt to recoup their costs by suing all those they think might have caused or contributed to the loss, including Halliburton.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:16:56pm |
re: #230 darthstar
Shh...don't say the sacred name of Halliburton without at least excusing them of any liability no matter how small.
Heh. The problem with being a big enough company to have your finger in a lot of pies is that there are sooo many ways to screw up...
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 3, 2010 12:17:17pm |
re: #237 Alouette
I loved the scene where they trash the Arizona souvenir shop.
It's one of those movies with campy lines.. Just like Top Gun...
Funny movie
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freetoken Mon, May 3, 2010 12:17:22pm |
re: #225 lawhawk
Furthermore, it is BP who has agreed to explore that particular small piece of the Gulf, whose minerals in theory belong to all of us (not just to BP). So not only was the ship/drilling team under contract to them, BP is the one sitting on that piece of real estate to begin with.
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 12:17:32pm |
re: #237 Alouette
I loved the scene where they trash the Arizona souvenir shop.
"Here is the part when you find out who you're gonna call."
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cliffster Mon, May 3, 2010 12:20:10pm |
re: #226 Aceofwhat?
"I'm not great at farewells, so...that'll do, pig."
If I had words to make a day for you
I'd sing you a morning golden and true
I would make this day last for all time
then give you a nighttime washed in the moonshine
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 12:20:21pm |
re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was accused earlier of being a puffer.
Or was that fluffer?
It was the latter. Puffer fish are highly toxic, and this blog doesn't permit toxic posters.
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RogueOne Mon, May 3, 2010 12:20:32pm |
AP story on the Hutaree release:
Judge: 9 militia members charged with plotting against US can go free while awaiting trial
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
DETROIT (AP) -- A judge ordered on Monday that nine jailed members of a Michigan militia be released, saying there's no risk to the public if they go home while awaiting trial on charges of trying to plot war against the government.U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts overturned the April 2 decision of a federal magistrate judge and questioned the strength of the government's case. She said all nine can be released with electronic monitoring devices and other strict conditions.
......
Prosecutors "need not wait until people are killed before it arrests conspirators," the judge said. "But the defendants are also correct: Their right to engage in hate-filled, venomous speech is a right that deserves First Amendment protection."Roberts said prosecutors failed to show that jail was the only way to protect the public and ensure that the nine return for court hearings. She had heard nearly 10 hours of testimony and argument over two days last week as militia members appealed the earlier detention order.
"Discussions about killing local law enforcement officers - and even discussions about killing members of the judicial branch of government - do not translate to conspiring to overthrow, or levy way against, the United States government," the judge said Monday.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:20:34pm |
re: #164 darthstar
Thanks to the Exxon Valdez and GHWB, BP is responsible...for up to 75 million dollars in damages.
so...still think that's GHWB's fault?
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What, me worry? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:22:22pm |
re: #245 RogueOne
AP story on the Hutaree release:
Judge: 9 militia members charged with plotting against US can go free while awaiting trial
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
That doesn't seem right.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:23:56pm |
re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
For a little bit...
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Stanghazi Mon, May 3, 2010 12:24:20pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:24:21pm |
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MandyManners Mon, May 3, 2010 12:24:40pm |
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cliffster Mon, May 3, 2010 12:25:02pm |
re: #212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Boy, ESPN sure is riding that JaMarcus Russell guy. Sorry, Toots! Ain't y'all ashamed? Boy eating a bit too much red beans and rice?
What's the dig? Is he getting to be a bit big?
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RogueOne Mon, May 3, 2010 12:25:28pm |
re: #247 marjoriemoon
The fact they had to wrap all the other charges around the "sedition" charge should tell you the prosecutors case is more than just weak. I'm waiting for the audio recordings their infiltrator took to come out. I'm laying odds on who instigated the most extreme discussions with the government agent going at 2 to 1.
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 12:25:39pm |
re: #227 recusancy
If it turns out that the work they did contributed to the accident and/or subsequent spill, watch for lawsuits to fly between Transocean, BP, and Halliburton over cleanup costs. BP might front the costs now, but sue the others to recover their costs. It's in BP's interest from a PR standpoint to get on top of the cleanup costs and make every effort to mitigate the spill, but then go after Halliburton over any potential failure on their part.
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What, me worry? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:25:39pm |
re: #250 Aceofwhat?
don't look at me...she's a Clinton nominee;)
/
Ohhh so it's Clinton's fault! Aha!
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webevintage Mon, May 3, 2010 12:25:43pm |
re: #245 RogueOne
AP story on the Hutaree release:
Judge: 9 militia members charged with plotting against US can go free while awaiting trial
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
wow.
I'm kinda speechless....
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 12:26:17pm |
re: #233 MandyManners
That's his shtick.
He has quite a few schtick. In fact, his schtick at the press club dinner last Saturday night were so funny I forgot to laugh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:26:32pm |
re: #252 cliffster
Showed up for mini camp at 300lbs. He ain't a lineman...
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:26:33pm |
re: #251 MandyManners
Gee. Presidents write law?
well, i'll grant that they can help set policy...Obama deserves some credit or blame for HCR, depending on how it turns out in the future, but i think that the dems still had control of both the House and Senate in 1986...just off the top of my head...
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garhighway Mon, May 3, 2010 12:27:22pm |
re: #254 lawhawk
If it turns out that the work they did contributed to the accident and/or subsequent spill, watch for lawsuits to fly between Transocean, BP, and Halliburton over cleanup costs. BP might front the costs now, but sue the others to recover their costs. It's in BP's interest from a PR standpoint to get on top of the cleanup costs and make every effort to mitigate the spill, but then go after Halliburton over any potential failure on their part.
Agree. Figure on 4 to 6 additional corporate defendants before it's over. All relatively big (it take a fair amount of coin to play in the offshore oil services space).
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:27:53pm |
re: #258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Showed up for mini camp at 300lbs. He ain't a lineman...
holy cow...
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:28:32pm |
re: #257 Spare O'Lake
He has quite a few schtick. In fact, his schtick at the press club dinner last Saturday night were so funny I forgot to laugh.
i thought he was hilarious, personally...
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 3, 2010 12:28:33pm |
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 12:28:39pm |
re: #256 webevintage
The government case got screwed up when their lead investigator was on the stand and couldn't recall key details of the investigation they supposedly led into the Hutaree. I said as much last week when it happened. The case is in jeopardy because the investigators bungled matters.
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What, me worry? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:28:43pm |
Sit down to enjoy a nice discussion with you rubes, and the dog has to go out.... bbiab
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:28:46pm |
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garhighway Mon, May 3, 2010 12:29:01pm |
re: #259 Aceofwhat?
well, i'll grant that they can help set policy...Obama deserves some credit or blame for HCR, depending on how it turns out in the future, but i think that the dems still had control of both the House and Senate in 1986...just off the top of my head...
Congress (Dems) passed, White House (Repubs) signed... I think we call that "bipartisan".
AKA "The Good Old Days".
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 12:29:05pm |
re: #247 marjoriemoon
That doesn't seem right.
Is there at least a restriction on how many assault rifles they can buy per day while they are out on bail?
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Stanghazi Mon, May 3, 2010 12:29:18pm |
re: #260 garhighway
Agree. Figure on 4 to 6 additional corporate defendants before it's over. All relatively big (it take a fair amount of coin to play in the offshore oil services space).
So, the fishermen who are damaged (as well as others) will be looking at 20+ years for settlement? Again? (Bullwinkle voice)
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garhighway Mon, May 3, 2010 12:29:26pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:30:09pm |
re: #267 garhighway
Congress (Dems) passed, White House (Repubs) signed... I think we call that "bipartisan".
AKA "The Good Old Days".
heh. nothing to disagree with there...but darthstar said it was GHWB's fault and i'm having fun needling him until i hear otherwise...
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cliffster Mon, May 3, 2010 12:31:08pm |
re: #258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Showed up for mini camp at 300lbs. He ain't a lineman...
He's 300 pounds?!?? Good Lord. Yeah maybe he was hitting the freshman cafeteria at LSU in the offseason.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:32:50pm |
re: #273 cliffster
Those Cajuns'll help you put on a pound or two.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 12:32:58pm |
re: #262 Aceofwhat?
i thought he was hilarious, personally...
Well, I do have to admit that the schtick about being more popular in his country of birth than in the US was priceless.
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webevintage Mon, May 3, 2010 12:33:31pm |
re: #255 marjoriemoon
Ohhh so it's Clinton's fault! Aha!
Actually I would say that our last couple of work "disaster" are the fault of the last few Administrations/Congress (maybe even the current) kowtowing to corporate greed and their "we can regulate ourselves" mantra.
Obviously they can't be trusted....
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Stanghazi Mon, May 3, 2010 12:37:17pm |
re: #273 cliffster
He's 300 pounds?!?? Good Lord. Yeah maybe he was hitting the freshman cafeteria at LSU in the offseason.
His wiki is 6'6" 260#
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 12:39:16pm |
re: #264 lawhawk
The government case got screwed up when their lead investigator was on the stand and couldn't recall key details of the investigation they supposedly led into the Hutaree. I said as much last week when it happened. The case is in jeopardy because the investigators bungled matters.
That can happen. Though if it does happen, can we at least put microchips in their butts so we can keep track of them?
/
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 12:40:26pm |
re: #262 Aceofwhat?
i thought he was hilarious, personally...
That's good because laughter, in Obama's case, IS the best medicine.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 3, 2010 12:40:30pm |
re: #278 Stanley Sea
His wiki is 6'6" 260#
IIRC.. OTL reported him at around 280 last Sunday Morning
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 12:41:22pm |
re: #277 webevintage
Actually I would say that our last couple of work "disaster" are the fault of the last few Administrations/Congress (maybe even the current) kowtowing to corporate greed and their "we can regulate ourselves" mantra.
Obviously they can't be trusted...
You mean like the Army Corps of Engineers and their incompetence in constructing/maintaining the levees in and around NOLA? That wasn't corporate greed - just incompetence and decades of ignoring the real possibility of a direct hit on a city built largely below sea level and protected by a system that was insufficient to handle even a glancing blow from a hurricane.
Also, we have no idea whether corporate greed played a role here - or whether it was a mechanical failure or human error or some other factor/factors that were involved. More regulations may not have prevented this disaster and I don't have a time machine to know whether an acoustic shutoff would have worked here - or it would have failed along with the other shutoff systems in place.
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Sinistershade Mon, May 3, 2010 12:41:41pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:42:30pm |
re: #212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Boy, ESPN sure is riding that JaMarcus Russell guy. Sorry, Toots! Ain't y'all ashamed? Boy eating a bit too much red beans and rice?
What are they on him about?
His weight?
Maybe he spent too much time at his mom's house . . .
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 12:42:43pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 12:43:06pm |
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RogueOne Mon, May 3, 2010 12:43:32pm |
Another case of prosecutor misconduct:
[Link: reason.com...]
The Crime and Federalism blog reports on the case of Carlos Alfredo Simon-Timmerman, a New Yorker who was stopped in Puerto Rico last year on his way back from a vacation in Venezuela. Simon-Timmerman was stopped by U.S. Customs agents, who found a pornographic video in his bag entitled Little Lupe the Innocent; Don’t Be Fooled By Her Baby Face. The movie featured Lupe Fuentes, a porn actress who, as the movie title suggests, is a 23-year-old with a more youthful appearance.
......
Simon-Timmerman's attorney was even able to get Fuentes to confirm her age over the phone. That still wasn't enough for the prosecutor.Finally... Little Lupe herself would have to fly to Puerto Rico, show her passport to the prosecutor, and testify under oath that she was really, really not 13 years old.
"My fans mean everything to me, " Fuentes told Asylum via her publicist. "It was important to me to make the trip to Puerto Rico to show support to someone who did no wrong."
That was last month. After Fuentes' appearance, Simon-Timmerman was finally released, and the charges against him were dropped. It took the graciousness of a porn star to keep Simon-Timmerman from going to prison.
Saved by a porn star.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 12:43:44pm |
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cliffster Mon, May 3, 2010 12:44:46pm |
re: #278 Stanley Sea
His wiki is 6'6" 260#
When you are 8 feet tall, your weight can fluctuate quite a bit. Nate Newton, the best offensive lineman who ever played (Cowboy, of course), would report to camp over 400 pounds. 400 POUNDS!!!! His playing weight was 360, there or thereabouts. It ain't easy being superhuman
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:45:28pm |
re: #282 lawhawk
You mean like the Army Corps of Engineers and their incompetence in constructing/maintaining the levees in and around NOLA? That wasn't corporate greed - just incompetence and decades of ignoring the real possibility of a direct hit on a city built largely below sea level and protected by a system that was insufficient to handle even a glancing blow from a hurricane.
Also, we have no idea whether corporate greed played a role here - or whether it was a mechanical failure or human error or some other factor/factors that were involved. More regulations may not have prevented this disaster and I don't have a time machine to know whether an acoustic shutoff would have worked here - or it would have failed along with the other shutoff systems in place.
re: NOLA - you forgot the corruption of the levee boards.
re: the rig disaster - if the equipment was damaged during whatever explosion happened, nothing in the world would work in shutting off the thing -
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 12:46:34pm |
Spiderman foils would-be thief
Store owner Michael Baulderstone, dressed as Spiderman, spotted the man trying to steal an X-Men book worth $160 (£97).
The 45-year-old called for back-up and the hapless thief was surrounded by superheroes within seconds.
Mr Baulderstone said: "We had about 40 people dressed up as their favourite superheroes to celebrate International Free Comic Day, so he didn't have much of a choice but to hand the comic back after a little bit of a scuffle.
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lawhawk Mon, May 3, 2010 12:47:02pm |
We have Arizona at one end of the spectrum, and NY's Gov. Paterson now appears to go to the other - he wants to create pardon panels to help people avoid deportation under what he thinks is harsh federal law.
Gov. David Paterson on Monday said he will create a panel to help selected immigrants with criminal convictions avoid deportation under "harsh'' federal laws. Paterson said New York would be the first state to create a "pardon panel'' aimed specifically at investigating requests of legal immigrants facing deportation because of a past convictions.Paterson said he would pardon immigrants who meet criteria such as rehabilitation and a lack of danger to society. The Democrat is seeking to combat what he calls harsh and rigid federal measures that result in deporting of immigrants who have shown considerable rehabilitation.
Paterson should focus on passing the state budget (now more than a month late - than trying to find a way to override federal law on deportations, which are quite clear.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:47:10pm |
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webevintage Mon, May 3, 2010 12:47:31pm |
re: #264 lawhawk
The government case got screwed up when their lead investigator was on the stand and couldn't recall key details of the investigation they supposedly led into the Hutaree. I said as much last week when it happened. The case is in jeopardy because the investigators bungled matters.
Well that sucks.
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freetoken Mon, May 3, 2010 12:47:43pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 12:48:00pm |
re: #290 reine.de.tout
re: NOLA - you forgot the corruption of the levee boards.
re: the rig disaster - if the equipment was damaged during whatever explosion happened, nothing in the world would work in shutting off the thing -
Ah, Louisiana. One of only two states more corrupt than Illinois (New Jersey is the other).
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RogueOne Mon, May 3, 2010 12:49:05pm |
re: #295 freetoken
Heh, that could be a title of a reality TV show, no?
That would be the one and only reality tv show I would watch. Someone has to have already thought of it but I'm afraid to GIS.
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Fart Knocker Mon, May 3, 2010 12:49:31pm |
re: #217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Only in an alternate universe (I'd have a goatee, like the bad Captain Kirk) would I ever say that that fuck-wad is reasonable.
Libs should be ashamed of him.
Spock had the goatee, not Kirk. The episode was Mirror, Mirror.
Yes I am a geek.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:50:02pm |
re: #296 Dark_Falcon
Ah, Louisiana. One of only two states more corrupt than Illinois (New Jersey is the other).
Heh.
But you know what, DF - I really like it here.
Somebody the other day actually posted their condolences that I live in Louisiana.
LOL.
And invited me to their state. As if . . .
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 12:50:10pm |
re: #292 lawhawk
We have Arizona at one end of the spectrum, and NY's Gov. Paterson now appears to go to the other - he wants to create pardon panels to help people avoid deportation under what he thinks is harsh federal law.
Paterson should focus on passing the state budget (now more than a month late - than trying to find a way to override federal law on deportations, which are quite clear.
Sorry, but those convicted of crimes should be the ones who are up for deportation.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 12:50:24pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 12:51:13pm |
re: #299 reine.de.tout
Heh.
But you know what, DF - I really like it here.
Somebody the other day actually posted their condolences that I live in Louisiana.
LOL.
And invited me to their state. As if . . .
I know. I'm just ribbing you. :)
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 12:51:13pm |
re: #287 RogueOne
Another case of prosecutor misconduct:
[Link: reason.com...]
Saved by a porn star.
I'll have to research the material.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 3, 2010 12:51:23pm |
re: #299 reine.de.tout
Heh.
But you know what, DF - I really like it here.
Somebody the other day actually posted their condolences that I live in Louisiana.
LOL.
And invited me to their state. As if . . .
You can come to my state. Theres plenty of room here in Confusion!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, May 3, 2010 12:52:19pm |
re: #298 rwdflynavy
Spock had the goatee, not Kirk. The episode was Mirror, Mirror.
Yes I am a geek.
I like the South Park episode that parodied that one. The evil versions of the kids all had goatees. And evil Cartman was a really nice, friendly kid.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:52:26pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, May 3, 2010 12:53:31pm |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually there are a bunch of reasonable smart libs here.
Before I agree wholeheartedly could you please clarify:
1. How many libs are in a bunch?
2. Did you mean reasonable AND smart, or reasonably smart?
Thank you.
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Fart Knocker Mon, May 3, 2010 12:53:46pm |
re: #307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nerd alert.
You, on the other hand, need to hand your nerd card back. You obviously aren't ready...
//
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Liberal Classic Mon, May 3, 2010 12:53:59pm |
re: #290 reine.de.tout
re: NOLA - you forgot the corruption of the levee boards.
re: the rig disaster - if the equipment was damaged during whatever explosion happened, nothing in the world would work in shutting off the thing -
Disasters come in two types: High speed and super slow-motion.
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 12:54:01pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, May 3, 2010 12:54:13pm |
re: #292 lawhawk
We have Arizona at one end of the spectrum, and NY's Gov. Paterson now appears to go to the other - he wants to create pardon panels to help people avoid deportation under what he thinks is harsh federal law.
Paterson should focus on passing the state budget (now more than a month late - than trying to find a way to override federal law on deportations, which are quite clear.
Without knowing more about this story, the thing is, some... many (?)... of these people fled countries where they were wrongly accused. We grant asylum to people like this. Trumped up charges, etc. See Cuba and our Wet Foot, Dry Foot policy which I think is fine, but it only applies to Cubans and no other refugees which I think unfair.
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gamark Mon, May 3, 2010 12:54:16pm |
re: #246 Aceofwhat?
Of course it is. The Oil Pollution Act of 1990 had absolutely nothing to do with the democratic controlled Senate or the democratic controlled House. It was GHWB all the way, baby!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 3, 2010 12:54:34pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 3, 2010 12:55:45pm |
re: #312 marjoriemoon
Without knowing more about this story, the thing is, some... many (?)... of these people fled countries where they were wrongly accused. We grant asylum to people like this. Trumped up charges, etc. See Cuba and our Wet Foot, Dry Foot policy which I think is fine, but it only applies to Cubans and no other refugees which I think unfair.
If a law is unfair, then perhaps it should be changed.
But while it's the law, it's, well, the law.
I'm not sure Governors and others should be picking and choosing which laws they want to follow and which ones they don't.
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Fart Knocker Mon, May 3, 2010 12:56:19pm |
I'm moving on to the next thread...don't talk about me when I'm gone...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 3, 2010 12:58:08pm |
re: #303 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'll have to research the material.
Careful with that research, you'll go blind.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 3, 2010 12:58:44pm |
re: #312 marjoriemoon
Without knowing more about this story, the thing is, some... many (?)... of these people fled countries where they were wrongly accused. We grant asylum to people like this. Trumped up charges, etc. See Cuba and our Wet Foot, Dry Foot policy which I think is fine, but it only applies to Cubans and no other refugees which I think unfair.
There are legal avenues for that
What do you think the percentage of the flow coming across the southern border qualify? Unlike a Cuba or a North Korea or an Iran, I don't hear much about political oppresion via the Mexican gov't as a reason
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 3, 2010 12:59:36pm |
re: #316 rwdflynavy
I'm moving on to the next thread...don't talk about me when I'm gone...
I can multi task.
I can be here AND on the next thread AND talk about you all at the same time!
/
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What, me worry? Mon, May 3, 2010 1:00:13pm |
re: #315 reine.de.tout
If a law is unfair, then perhaps it should be changed.
But while it's the law, it's, well, the law.
I'm not sure Governors and others should be picking and choosing which laws they want to follow and which ones they don't.
I'm not saying Patterson is right or wrong. I'd like to know more about why he wants to do it. If it's anything about protecting people asking for political asylum, I can understand it, but I don't know.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 3, 2010 1:02:20pm |
re: #320 marjoriemoon
I'm not saying Patterson is right or wrong. I'd like to know more about why he wants to do it. If it's anything about protecting people asking for political asylum, I can understand it, but I don't know.
SPECULATION
he's way down in the polls
NY (like many other places) has a growing hispanic demographic
YOU do the math
| 322 |
What, me worry? Mon, May 3, 2010 1:03:13pm |
re: #318 sattv4u2
There are legal avenues for that
What do you think the percentage of the flow coming across the southern border qualify? Unlike a Cuba or a North Korea or an Iran, I don't hear much about political oppresion via the Mexican gov't as a reason
I don't know much beyond our immigration issues. And he lives in NY, not AZ.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 3, 2010 1:03:31pm |
re: #322 marjoriemoon
I don't know much beyond our immigration issues. And he lives in NY, not AZ.
see #321
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Kragar Mon, May 3, 2010 1:04:05pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, May 3, 2010 1:04:43pm |
re: #321 sattv4u2
SPECULATION
he's way down in the polls
NY (like many other places) has a growing hispanic demographicYOU do the math
I have no clue what NYs immigration issues are. And yes, it's speculation. I thought that was pretty clear.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 3, 2010 1:06:23pm |
re: #325 marjoriemoon
I have no clue what NYs immigration issues are. And yes, it's speculation. I thought that was pretty clear.
no,, MY post was speculative,, YOU asked what would his (Pattersons) motivation would be
I KNOW that New York is one of the states that illegals head too because of the need for cheap labor
I KNOW Patterson is way WAY down in the polls
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What, me worry? Mon, May 3, 2010 1:08:46pm |
re: #326 sattv4u2
no,, MY post was speculative,, YOU asked what would his (Pattersons) motivation would be
I KNOW that New York is one of the states that illegals head too because of the need for cheap labor
I KNOW Patterson is way WAY down in the polls
Wasn't he involved with a scandal? I can't keep track anymore.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 3, 2010 1:09:37pm |
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webevintage Mon, May 3, 2010 1:13:09pm |
re: #327 RogueOne
I didn't think Patterson was running?
Robert Patterson?
Man he sucked in Twilight.....
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garhighway Mon, May 3, 2010 1:22:55pm |
re: #329 sattv4u2
Whats today? Which way is the wind blowing?
He pulled out of the race a while back.
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wiffersnapper Mon, May 3, 2010 1:57:27pm |
Pirates lose again! Also, the Dutch boarded this pirate ship.
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steve Mon, May 3, 2010 5:34:05pm |
I would shoot the pirates and dump them overboard. I refuse to coddle this kind of behavior!
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