LGF Linkage - Now with Ajax-Based Editing

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The latest enhancement to LGF Linkage is a biggie — you can now edit any links you’ve posted, using a super-fast Ajax popup form, and see the changes instantly appear without reloading the whole page.

Here’s how this feat of prestidigitation works. When you’re viewing the LGF Linkage pages, any links you’ve posted will have a little editing icon in the upper right next to the other control icons; the editing button looks like a stubby little pencil: edit button … and it lights up in green when your mouse hovers over it. You won’t see the editing button on anyone’s links but your own, because those other ones aren’t your links, and you can’t edit them, sorry.

Click that bad pencil-lookin’ mutha and the editing form appears, looking very similar to the form that let you post the link in the first place. You can edit any of the link’s data: category, URL, title, and description. If you decide not to save the edit, click the Cancel button and the form will disappear without saving anything. But if you click Save Changes, your changes will indeed be saved in the LGF Linkage database, and the link on the page will magically mutate into your shiny new edited version.

With the ability to see all the posts by any lizardoid author (just click their name at the bottom left of the link), this takes LGF Linkage another step closer to being a complete blogging system. And now you can fix your own typos, correct errors, and even update posts with a state of the art Ajax editing system.

(These Ajax features are actually a subset of my main LGF Blog tools, the stuff I post and edit front-page articles with. So you’re getting a glimpse of the custom-programmed system I use.)

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1131 comments
1 SteveC  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:37:47pm

Damn, I ain't worthy!

But I do hail our new bad pencil-lookin’ mutha overlord!

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:41:50pm

Ajax-3249. Walter, get out of my head!!
/seriously, I will have to take time to figure this stuff out. Lotsa geeks here if I can't. I thank you in advance.

3 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:43:26pm

if you edit a link is it still you know, a link?

4 SteveC  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:44:47pm

re: #3 brookly red

if you edit a link is it still you know, a link?

Then it is an edited link, which would incur a 12% tax!

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:44:51pm

re: #3 brookly red

if you edit a link is it still you know, a link?

But if you click Save Changes, your changes will indeed be saved in the LGF Linkage database, and the link on the page will magically mutate into your shiny new edited version.

6 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:46:07pm

re: #4 SteveC

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know... sounds like tampering with evidence to me.

7 SteveC  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:48:33pm

re: #6 brookly red

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know... sounds like tampering with evidence to me.

Me: "Then we make sure that we don't get caught!"

She: "But if you don't get caught, would anyone know that you did it?"

8 wee fury  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:49:40pm

I'm so confused.
But . . . I'm sure it is a sublime tool.

9 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:51:54pm

re: #7 SteveC

Me: "Then we make sure that we don't get caught!"

She: "But if you don't get caught, would anyone know that you did it?"

If you build a time machine to change the past, how would you know if it worked?

10 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:53:12pm

Excellent, I can't count the times I've added a link and regretted a mousewheel slip on category, or a typo, and occasionally even an overly snarky headline to a serious topic. Thanks again Charles, someone upthread said "we are not worthy" and I'll repeat it...

11 SteveC  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:53:36pm

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you build a time machine to change the past, how would you know if it worked?

My uncle opened up a business, renting time machines by the day. He went broke - people kept bringing them back before they rented them.

But he made a fortune selling dehydrated water.

12 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:55:19pm

re: #11 SteveC

My uncle opened up a business, renting time machines by the day. He went broke - people kept bringing them back before they rented them.

But he made a fortune selling dehydrated water.

I've made quite a bundle selling cheerios as donut seeds.

13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:56:06pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've made quite a bundle selling cheerios as donut seeds.

I am SO stealing that.

14 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:56:52pm

Hooray! Editing, now enabled for links!

15 SteveC  Mon, May 3, 2010 3:57:41pm

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

*Hug* for FG!

16 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:02:01pm

Went to the mailbox, found 7 deers hanging around, took some pictures.

17 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:02:37pm

re: #6 brookly red

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know... sounds like tampering with evidence to me.

Once more, technology outpaces ethics. (If there were ever a controversial edit, it seems to be recoverable from the DB.)

18 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:02:54pm

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

Went to the mailbox, found 7 deers hanging around, took some pictures.

gee, what was in your mail?

19 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:03:34pm

re: #18 brookly red

gee, what was in your mail?

Deer feed- 7865
/

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:04:24pm

Now I just need something worth linking to.

21 [deleted]  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:04:59pm
22 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:05:16pm

re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar

Deer feed- 7865
/

btw I really did go & play 4278...

23 [deleted]  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:05:54pm
24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:06:00pm

re: #22 brookly red

btw I really did go & play 4278...

I thought about it after you said that.

25 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:06:53pm

re: #21 MikeySDCA

I know I'm stupid, but why don't I sign the little pencil? Does this only apply things posted from now on?

You only see the pencil on the actual Linkage page, and only for your posts.

Note to Charles: both times I've tried clicking the pencil I get a terminal spinny....

26 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:06:54pm

re: #21 MikeySDCA

I know I'm stupid, but why don't I sign the little pencil? Does this only apply things posted from now on?

re: #23 MikeySDCA

Correction: for "sign" read "find"

Heh.
/

27 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:07:43pm

re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar

Deer feed- 7865
/

I'll put some of the pics up on my server... a few minutes...

28 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:08:23pm

re: #25 Thanos

You only see the pencil on the actual Linkage page, and only for your posts.

Note to Charles: both times I've tried clicking the pencil I get a terminal spinny...

/and you just bought swam land in Florida...

29 webevintage  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:09:41pm

re: #8 wee fury

I'm so confused.
But . . . I'm sure it is a sublime tool.

Yeah, that....

30 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:10:48pm

re: #25 Thanos

So, put the URL in the filter spot then name it in the name spot?

31 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:11:05pm

Is it useful even if I'm left handed??
Will I be laughed at if I carry in my tool belt?
Can I get it with cool graphics and designs?
....Finally...Will it make me look FAT?
I'm all about tools but you know....

32 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:11:56pm

My garlic spray for slug control is working pretty well but it's not perfect especially in this crappy rainy weather. I'm anxious to get my celeriac transplanted outside before the weather heats up for I'm going to try Slug control for only pennies a day!
I wonder if it'll work.

33 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:12:05pm

This makes me want to vomit.
[Link: tinyurl.com...]

34 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:12:11pm

now the media is giving the play by play on the investigation of the Times Sq car bomber, like how they are tracking him... I think they should STFU, no?

35 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:12:56pm

re: #34 brookly red

now the media is giving the play by play on the investigation of the Times Sq car bomber, like how they are tracking him... I think they should STFU, no?

The media's job is to sabotage, and then criticize, the investigation.

36 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:13:43pm

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

Went to the mailbox, found 7 deers hanging around, took some pictures.

Lurking with intent to loiter??
Damn deer were snooping for your
personal info!!
Check all your credit reports Walter!!

37 pharmmajor  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:14:10pm

Can you withstand the insanity of the Ultimate Warrior, Hoak Hogan?!

38 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:14:11pm

Deer pictures... just went to the mail box and found 7 of these critters foraging around... here a a few shots...

Image: deer_1.JPG

Image: deer_2.JPG

Image: deer_3.JPG

39 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:15:12pm

re: #36 reloadingisnotahobby

Lurking with intent to loiter??
Damn deer were snooping for your
personal info!!
Check all your credit reports Walter!!

/Hey? who charged 200 doses of flea medicine?

40 teleskiguy  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:16:17pm

How so very cool! Thanks again Charles for this nifty feature!

41 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:16:34pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

Cool!
Your snow went away fast!!

42 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:17:43pm

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

Went to the mailbox, found 7 deers hanging around, took some pictures.

I love deer...

43 teleskiguy  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:18:04pm

re: #8 wee fury

I'm so confused.
But . . . I'm sure it is a sublime tool.

This is one of the coolest features at LGF. It truly allows you to be a blogger within the blog. And it is really easy to use.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:18:56pm

Dana Perino on FawkzNoooz floating Limbaugh's pet notion that there was deliberate sabotage on that oil spill

The dumb, or the evil...which is more powerful?

45 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:19:56pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

Deer pictures... just went to the mail box and found 7 of these critters foraging around... here a a few shots...

Image: deer_1.JPG

Image: deer_2.JPG

Image: deer_3.JPG

Excellent. They look pretty healthy.

46 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:20:25pm

re: #41 reloadingisnotahobby

Cool!
Your snow went away fast!!

Yep... at this time of year, even if you get a foot, it rarely lasts more than a day... although if you look into the woods, there are spots that don't get direct sun all day, and you still find enough patches of snow, and on the higher peaks around here, there's still a lot of snow.

47 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:21:00pm

re: #42 darthstar

Great one. Where are you finding Farsides? I draw blanks.

48 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:22:28pm
49 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:22:40pm

Sigh, I havn't figured out the "linkage page starter kit" yet and Charles keeps adding more features almost every damn day. I'll never get this thing figured out at this rate... :(

/

50 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:22:55pm

re: #25 Thanos

You only see the pencil on the actual Linkage page, and only for your posts.

Note to Charles: both times I've tried clicking the pencil I get a terminal spinny...

I get a bar that's supposed to open up into the editing window, but it remains about the size of a pencil.

Time to clear cache and reload?

51 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:23:11pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Great one. Where are you finding Farsides? I draw blanks.

Google image search

52 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:23:28pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

My garlic spray for slug control is working pretty well but it's not perfect especially in this crappy rainy weather. I'm anxious to get my celeriac transplanted outside before the weather heats up for I'm going to try Slug control for only pennies a day!
I wonder if it'll work.

Looks like it would work well. I'm thinking copper braid in the right gauge and quantity would approach that cost but still be about twice more expensive.

53 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:23:43pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

Clear cache?? reload..Yes!

54 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:23:45pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

This is the only problem, well, and the zinc content, but worth a try!
"Just remember to wipe the strands down with steel wool every week or so to keep ‘em clear of corrosion and you should be good."

55 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:24:18pm

Ah, the brilliant thoroughbred horseman is back.

Brown noted the potential damage the oil slick will cause, and added: "This is exactly what they want, because now [Obama] can pander to the environmentalists and say, 'I'm gonna shut it down because it's too dangerous.'"

Heckava theory Brownie

56 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:24:44pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

I get a bar that's supposed to open up into the editing window, but it remains about the size of a pencil.

Time to clear cache and reload?

That's what I am getting plus the "loading " spinny from W-7. Using Firefox here, what are you using?

57 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:24:50pm

re: #51 darthstar

I dudded out looking for the "junkyard dog". time to try again.

58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:25:37pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

Excellent. They look pretty healthy.

Hope so... they'll be somebody's supper in the fall...

59 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:25:37pm

re: #56 Thanos

That's what I am getting plus the "loading " spinny from W-7. Using Firefox here, what are you using?

Firefox, Windows XP.

60 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:26:09pm

Those are some good photos Walter, and I was picturing your vicinity as still snow coated as well.

61 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:27:02pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

I dudded out looking for the "junkyard dog". time to try again.

Here you go

Oh...wrong JYD...never mind.

62 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:27:34pm

Try reloading the page if you're having trouble - seems to work fine in Safari and Firefox here.

63 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:27:49pm

Ah, Stinky's posting links. It will soon be all fixed.

Image: funny-pictures-cat-wonders-if-he-is-broken.jpg

64 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:28:08pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

Ah, the brilliant thoroughbred horseman is back.

Heckava theory Brownie

Fuck you, Brownie.

Seriously, why on earth would anyone interview that piece of shit?

65 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:29:02pm

re: #60 Thanos

Those are some good photos Walter, and I was picturing your vicinity as still snow coated as well.

Parts are... where we don't get direct sunlight all day, and on the higher peaks around here. And it can be all covered in 6 hours with a foot at this time of year, and then gone in 24 hours. Spring time in the Rockies = Snow and mud.

66 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:29:46pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

Ah, the brilliant thoroughbred horseman is back.

Heckava theory Brownie

Make him live in a FEMA trailer...

67 [deleted]  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:30:06pm
68 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:30:12pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

My garlic spray for slug control is working pretty well but it's not perfect especially in this crappy rainy weather. I'm anxious to get my celeriac transplanted outside before the weather heats up for I'm going to try Slug control for only pennies a day!
I wonder if it'll work.

The commenter in that blog who suggested large-gauge wire is probably right. The pennies look like a lot of work. My slugs are still falling for Yuenglings.

69 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:30:15pm

re: #66 Varek Raith

Make him live in a FEMA trailer...

Put it on a raft and set it adrift first.

70 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:30:27pm
71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:30:48pm

re: #70 Cannadian Club Akbar

test

fail

72 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:31:42pm

re: #62 Charles

Try reloading the page if you're having trouble - seems to work fine in Safari and Firefox here.

Nope, still doing it here. Something that you can get local, but that's not exported? Permissions thing? My two guesses.

73 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:31:44pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

The commenter in that blog who suggested large-gauge wire is probably right. The pennies look like a lot of work. My slugs are still falling for Yuenglings.

Yuenglings! the favorite of slugs every where...

74 [deleted]  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:32:22pm
75 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:32:35pm

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

fail


FTFY

(add 'rel="shadowbox" ' before the word target on the image url.

76 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:32:48pm

re: #52 Thanos

Looks like it would work well. I'm thinking copper braid in the right gauge and quantity would approach that cost but still be about twice more expensive.

I played around with that earlier this afternoon with some spare wire I had laying around. It's tough to make a solid barrier because the wire isn't in constant conact with the ground. I even unbraided the wire to fluff it up a bit but it still left a lot of gaps and places for slugs to get underneath the wire. Each little plant takes 10-12 pennies and it's easier to lay them out on the surface of the ground with no gaps underneath.

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:33:09pm
78 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:33:21pm

re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar

test

pass

79 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:33:55pm

re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar

test

You're getting warmer...don't forget to add rel="shadowbox65de3ce4" before the word target in your url.

Less fail, more cheezburger.

80 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:34:29pm

re: #64 darthstar

Fuck you, Brownie.

Seriously, why on earth would anyone interview that piece of shit?

This asshole is on the radio EVERY NIGHT (well, when not pre-emptied by Rockies baseball) on KOA radio, three hours on a 50,000 watt station, and he's fucking dumb as a rock... one night he was talking about Islamic sects and talked about Sunni, Shia and Shites, as if Shia and Shites were two different sects.

Honestly, he attracts the most base-level conservatives, none of the KOA regular conservative callers even bother to call him, because he's an embarrassment to decent conservatives.

He replaced another knuckle-dragging host, Gunny Bob Newman, a ex-marine, terrorist consultant who attracted bottom of the barrel idiots.

It must be the marketing strategy for that 3 hour even spot, nothing over a 20 word vocabulary level.

81 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:35:09pm
82 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:35:09pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I played around with that earlier this afternoon with some spare wire I had laying around. It's tough to make a solid barrier because the wire isn't in constant conact with the ground. I even unbraided the wire to fluff it up a bit but it still left a lot of gaps and places for slugs to get underneath the wire. Each little plant takes 10-12 pennies and it's easier to lay them out on the surface of the ground with no gaps underneath.

scoop em up, freeze em with some butter & garlic, call em es cargo... sell em online. profit.

83 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:35:38pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

Still not working here either.

Image: funny-pictures-your-vase-was-poorly-designed-for-c at-impact.jpg

Hmm, what are you all trying to do?

84 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:37:24pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

Deer pictures... just went to the mail box and found 7 of these critters foraging around... here a a few shots...

Image: deer_1.JPG

Image: deer_2.JPG

Image: deer_3.JPG

Cool. Nice looking animals. Not as many deer where I live, but they are numerous in the forest preserves.

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:37:32pm

re: #79 darthstar

You're getting warmer...don't forget to add rel="shadowboxeeb6c9da" before the word target in your url.

Less fail, more cheezburger.

What is the word target?

86 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:38:35pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

This asshole is on the radio EVERY NIGHT (well, when not pre-emptied by Rockies baseball) on KOA radio, three hours on a 50,000 watt station, and he's fucking dumb as a rock... one night he was talking about Islamic sects and talked about Sunni, Shia and Shites, as if Shia and Shites were two different sects.

Honestly, he attracts the most base-level conservatives, none of the KOA regular conservative callers even bother to call him, because he's an embarrassment to decent conservatives.

He replaced another knuckle-dragging host, Gunny Bob Newman, a ex-marine, terrorist consultant who attracted bottom of the barrel idiots.

It must be the marketing strategy for that 3 hour even spot, nothing over a 20 word vocabulary level.

Note - KOA radio is here in the Denver area, one of the oldest radio stations in the country, and the station where talk show host Alan Berg was shot in the parking lot by the Neo-Nazi's.

Eric Bogosian play/movie "Talk Radio" is loosely based on that incident.

87 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:38:55pm

re: #64 darthstar

Fuck you, Brownie.

Seriously, why on earth would anyone interview that piece of shit?

Because he'll say random conspiracy theory bullshit, and for FOX, that fits the narrative perfectly shows good investigative journalism. They're just asking questions.

88 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:39:18pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

Hmm, what are you all trying to do?

Do? Me? Nothing.

Image: funny-pictures-kitten-is-innocent.jpg

89 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:40:11pm

re: #87 Renaissance_Man

Because he'll say random conspiracy theory bullshit, and for FOX, that fits the narrative perfectly shows good investigative journalism. They're just asking questions.

Renn man I wanted to say how much I like your comments.

I am curious, I think I saw a post of yours that indicated you are a physician?

90 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:42:20pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

This asshole is on the radio EVERY NIGHT (well, when not pre-emptied by Rockies baseball) on KOA radio, three hours on a 50,000 watt station, and he's fucking dumb as a rock... one night he was talking about Islamic sects and talked about Sunni, Shia and Shites, as if Shia and Shites were two different sects.

Honestly, he attracts the most base-level conservatives, none of the KOA regular conservative callers even bother to call him, because he's an embarrassment to decent conservatives.

He replaced another knuckle-dragging host, Gunny Bob Newman, a ex-marine, terrorist consultant who attracted bottom of the barrel idiots.

It must be the marketing strategy for that 3 hour even spot, nothing over a 20 word vocabulary level.

I'd like to take him on a field trip to New Orleans. I think its residents would like a word with him. Damn no-talent government hack.

91 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:43:17pm

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

Renn man I wanted to say how much I like your comments.

I am curious, I think I saw a post of yours that indicated you are a physician?

Not yet. Still a couple of years. Long, wearying years.

92 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:43:50pm

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is the word target?

When you link image urls, use the link button, then, before previewing, look at the URL...there will be a 'target="_blank" in it...before this, add the rel="shadowbox45ee205b":

~a h.r.e.f.=.h.t.t.p. url to image.jpg rel = shadowbox target = _blank ~ your text to link ~ / a ~

Remove spaces and tildas and replace with < and > where appropriate. Add quotes around the h.t.t.p -no periods and quotes around the word shadowbox and _blank

93 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:44:19pm

Okay...time to hit the road.

Play nice, everyone.

94 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:45:17pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I'd like to take him on a field trip to New Orleans. I think its residents would like a word with him. Damn no-talent government hack.

Woah--We real government hacks won't own him. He was a political appointee, not career Civil Service.

95 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:45:26pm

I see what's causing the problems. Will fix.

96 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:45:35pm

The bar widened a bit and said "Getting link data" but quickly retreated to the pencil sized bar again.

97 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:45:44pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

Note - KOA radio is here in the Denver area, one of the oldest radio stations in the country, and the station where talk show host Alan Berg was shot in the parking lot by the Neo-Nazi's.

Eric Bogosian play/movie "Talk Radio" is loosely based on that incident.

As it happened, that was the point where the Neo-Nazi group The Order truly made the federal government's priority list. Over the following couple years, its members were hunted down, tried, and imprisoned. The shame is that it took a murder for the needed actions to be taken.

98 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:46:09pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I'd like to take him on a field trip to New Orleans. I think its residents would like a word with him. Damn no-talent government hack.

He really is no-talent, and I don't say that about many people. Honestly, if you listen to him on his program (and you can pick up KOA over the air in 38 states, and of course, stream it live on the internet) you would almost think he is trying to parody the "redneck" image that some people want to put on all conservatives. It's bizarre how he relishes the image.

And I have emailed him a number of times trying to correct his misstatements (such as there is Shia, Shites and Sunni Muslim sects)... yet he babbles on, making the same mistakes over and over.

And this idiot was part of Homeland Security.

99 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:46:23pm
100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:46:45pm

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

test

Thanks Darth!!!!

101 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:47:23pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Woah--We real government hacks won't own him. He was a political appointee, not career Civil Service.

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I'd like to take him on a field trip to New Orleans. I think its residents would like a word with him. Damn no-talent apointee hack.

Does that work for you?

102 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:47:44pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

The other problem with the penny thing, is when the masking tape gets wet, it's going to rot & loose it's tackiness, pretty fast.

103 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:48:00pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Does that work for you?

Makes my heart glad.

105 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:49:17pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

As it happened, that was the point where the Neo-Nazi group The Order truly made the federal government's priority list. Over the following couple years, its members were hunted down, tried, and imprisoned. The shame is that it took a murder for the needed actions to be taken.

I'm actually personally familiar with a lot of that incident, I knew Alan Berg and some of the other Denver players in the whole thing, and I had been doing a lot of research in those areas for years. It wasn't as much a surprise to a lot of people who had a stink of some of the rhetoric that was floating around the different groups. And Alan certainly dared them to bring it on.

106 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:49:53pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

He really is no-talent, and I don't say that about many people. Honestly, if you listen to him on his program (and you can pick up KOA over the air in 38 states, and of course, stream it live on the internet) you would almost think he is trying to parody the "redneck" image that some people want to put on all conservatives. It's bizarre how he relishes the image.

And I have emailed him a number of times trying to correct his misstatements (such as there is Shia, Shites and Sunni Muslim sects)... yet he babbles on, making the same mistakes over and over.

And this idiot was part of Homeland Security.

George W. Bush made mistakes, but Brown's appointment was perhaps the worst of them. Michael Brown is a waste of space.

107 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:51:47pm

Just don't give us editing for regular posts, Charles. There would be no end to it, PIMFing would go by the boards, and I would not get enough grammar mistakes to mock.

Not to mention the fun drunk stuff people post.

108 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:52:30pm

re: #102 Floral Giraffe

The other problem with the penny thing, is when the masking tape gets wet, it's going to rot & loose it's tackiness, pretty fast.

I decided to skip the tape. It also provides the slugs with the opportunity to go under the pennies using the tape as a barrier. Since I just need something temporary I laid a little circle of pennies around each seedling. I'm testing it on a few celeriac transplants. If they survive a few days I'll transplant the rest of the plants later this week.

109 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:53:01pm

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

I'm actually personally familiar with a lot of that incident, I knew Alan Berg and some of the other Denver players in the whole thing, and I had been doing a lot of research in those areas for years. It wasn't as much a surprise to a lot of people who had a stink of some of the rhetoric that was floating around the different groups. And Alan certainly dared them to bring it on.

What really scares me is that that same sort of rhetoric seems to be on the rise again. Hopefully, this time the horrid spawn of Hitler get taken down before they kill.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:53:37pm

re: #36 reloadingisnotahobby

Lurking with intent to loiter??
Damn deer were snooping for your
personal info!!
Check all your credit reports Walter!!

If your credit cards suddenly start to show large amounts of deer kibble and organic carrots, you'll know your identity has been stolen.

111 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:54:02pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

If your credit cards suddenly start to show large amounts of deer kibble and organic carrots, you'll know your identity has been stolen.

Did you see my cute pictures?

112 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:54:33pm

re: #91 Renaissance_Man

Not yet. Still a couple of years. Long, wearying years.

Good luck on that. O remember when my brother was in medical school and I think it was his second year, he called me up regularly to discuss every horrible wrath of G-d disease one could get.

113 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:54:48pm

re: #104 Ojoe

Brit with rifle takes out 2 taliban machine gunners at a distance of 1.54 miles.

Great stuff. We are truly blessed to have such brave and capable allies.

114 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:56:09pm

There we go!

I had some debugging code left over that was mucking up the works.

Reload the Linkage page and editing will now be smoov.

115 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:56:15pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Great stuff. We are truly blessed to have such brave and capable allies.

yes, we should try real hard not to mess that up.

116 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:56:21pm

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

Good luck on that. O remember when my brother was in medical school and I think it was his second year, he called me up regularly to discuss every horrible wrath of G-d disease one could get.

Yes, med studentitis - where you suddenly show symptoms of whatever it is you just learned.

117 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:56:33pm

IT WORKED!

But there was no preview, which I guess is now redundant...

118 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:56:48pm

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

Good luck on that. O remember when my brother was in medical school and I think it was his second year, he called me up regularly to discuss every horrible wrath of G-d disease one could get.

A pre-med friend I knew in Germany would come and show us pictures from his textbooks.

Think you have problems? Take a peek in a medical handbook.

119 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:57:20pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

These folks have a great selection of greenhouse supplies, the tape is $10.95 for 15 feet. They're not the least expensive place to buy, but a good resource always.

[Link: www.charleysgreenhouse.com...]

120 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:57:45pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

IT WORKED!

But there was no preview, which I guess is now redundant...

Right - no need for the preview, because it's so easy to just edit it again if necessary.

121 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:57:45pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Great stuff. We are truly blessed to have such brave and capable allies.

Capable, yes. Not a lot of bravery involved in shooting someone at 1.54 miles.

Just sayin'.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 4:58:46pm

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Did you see my cute pictures?

I did. They're beautiful. They look shaggy, is that the species, or the winter coat coming off?

123 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:00:09pm

re: #119 Floral Giraffe

These folks have a great selection of greenhouse supplies, the tape is $10.95 for 15 feet. They're not the least expensive place to buy, but a good resource always.

[Link: www.charleysgreenhouse.com...]

I have some of that tape around it does work well and I'm experimenting with it too. I made a little loop, just big enough to encircle one seedling. We'll see if it works better than the pennies.

124 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:00:52pm

re: #121 Cato the Elder

Capable, yes. Not a lot of bravery involved in shooting someone at 1.54 miles.

Just sayin'.

well if you read the whole thing he was in harms way more than once...

125 Reginald Perrin  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:01:05pm

re: #121 Cato the Elder

Capable, yes. Not a lot of bravery involved in shooting someone at 1.54 miles.

Just sayin'.

If you'd have bothered to read the whole article you may change your opinion regarding Corporal Harrison's bravery.

126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:01:12pm

Just checked into the hotel. Guess what?

FREE CHEETOS!

Had me some Cheetos.

127 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:01:24pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

Deer pictures... just went to the mail box and found 7 of these critters foraging around... here a a few shots...

Image: deer_1.JPG

Image: deer_2.JPG

Image: deer_3.JPG

I can confirm that that is indeed Walter's mailbox.

128 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:01:42pm

re: #120 Charles

Whee! Very nice new tool, thank you!

129 mr.JA  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:01:43pm

I have no clue about programming or ajax or whatever, but what I do know is that LGF is the most advanced blog I visit, commenting is such a breeze... Unlike with other blogs, I never have issues with logging in, I can re-load comments while I type to prevent redundant comments.
Whatever this Ajax stuff is, you're doing magic with it, Charles.

I don't know if you do, but you should sell this - it would make commenting so much easier, and primarily without people saying the same thing within 5 minutes 'cause the haven't seen someone else replying.
I haven't made my mind up about this karma thing, as unpopular views are not always wrong, and can be 'punished' by the majority in this way. I guess it is needed to keep sock puppets and the like out.

Anyway, it is 2am here, I just got back from the lab (and found a pathetically easy solution to a problem that bugged me for 2 weeks now), so I'm off to hit the sack...
Keep the ajax going...

130 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:01:45pm

re: #118 Cato the Elder

A pre-med friend I knew in Germany would come and show us pictures from his textbooks.

Think you have problems? Take a peek in a medical handbook.

Ohhh man, I think I told the caseous necrosis story. My little brother was ruthless.

131 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:02:01pm

re: #115 brookly red

yes, we should try real hard not to mess that up.

Quite Concur.

132 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:02:24pm

re: #125 Reginald Perrin

1 second is a long time... ;)

133 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:02:27pm

re: #116 Renaissance_Man

Yes, med studentitis - where you suddenly show symptoms of whatever it is you just learned.

I can't see how psychologically it could be any other way.

134 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:02:56pm

re: #125 Reginald Perrin

If you'd have bothered to read the whole article you may change your opinion regarding Corporal Harrison's bravery.

Check your inbox.

135 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:03:01pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I decided to skip the tape. It also provides the slugs with the opportunity to go under the pennies using the tape as a barrier. Since I just need something temporary I laid a little circle of pennies around each seedling. I'm testing it on a few celeriac transplants. If they survive a few days I'll transplant the rest of the plants later this week.

A cheap strip of aluminum foil might provide the electrolytic effect the original article cited. If it has to be copper, a trail of copper sulphate powder could do.

136 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:03:17pm

re: #125 Reginald Perrin

If you'd have bothered to read the whole article you may might change your opinion regarding Corporal Harrison's bravery.

Will do.

Now, go learn the sequence of tenses and the difference between "may" and "might".

137 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:03:49pm

re: #136 Cato the Elder

Will do.

Now, go learn the sequence of tenses and the difference between "may" and "might".

razzzzzz

138 Ojoe  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:05:04pm

re: #115 brookly red

I pains me that Obama took the bust of Winston Churchill out of the Oval Office.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:05:21pm

re: #127 Cato the Elder

I can confirm that that is indeed Walter's mailbox.

You mean, he's not sneakily sending us pictures of deer next to someone else's mailbox to throw us off guard?

140 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:08:12pm

re: #138 Ojoe

I pains me that Obama took the bust of Winston Churchill out of the Oval Office.

well get over it...

or not ;)

141 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:08:53pm

re: #129 mr.JA

I have no clue about programming or ajax or whatever, but what I do know is that LGF is the most advanced blog I visit, commenting is such a breeze...

LGF is also one of the most visually elegant blogs on the net. One of the reasons I've always loved it is that Charles doesn't muck up the basic look with lots of stupid gewgaws. No spinning icons, huge, animated avatars, or automatic quotes at the bottom of comments telling you for the millionth time that ZOMFGROFL believes the tree of liberty must be watered with red...

The aesthetic difference between LGF and most other blogs is like Facebook vs. MySpace.

142 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:08:57pm

re: #129 mr.JA

(and found a pathetically easy solution to a problem that bugged me for 2 weeks now)

Don't you love hate love hate love and hate that?

143 freetoken  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:09:36pm

re: #129 mr.JA


Whatever this Ajax stuff is, you're doing magic with it, Charles.

Ajax !

Amazing stuff, remember it from years ago.

It "Polishes with half the effort", that's why LGF is so easy to use - effortless!

144 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:10:22pm

re: #114 Charles

There we go!

I had some debugging code left over that was mucking up the works.

Reload the Linkage page and editing will now be smoov.

It works fine now, thanks!

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:10:45pm

Item #1: I presented my sample lesson for the job I hope to get, and it was well received.

Item #2: Michael Lerner's house in Berkeley was vandalized. From the overwrought press release:

The attackers used a powerful form of glue to attach posters to his door and around the property of his home attacking Lerner personally, and attacking liberals and progressives as being supporters of terrorism and "Islamo-fascism." They posted a printed bumper sticker saying "fight terror--support Israel" next to a carcature of Judge Goldstone whose UN report on Israel's human rights violations in its attack on Gaza last year has been denounced as anti-Semitic and pro-terror by right wingers in Israel and the U.S.. The caricature has Goldstone talking about his being kept from his grandson's bar mitzvah, and the caricature of Rabbi Lerner responds by saying "any enemy of Israel is a friend of mine."

146 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:12:32pm

This is how Kasey looks when she notices that the lady at the drive up teller has a dog biscuit in her hand...
Image: Kasey-at-the-Bank.jpg

147 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:12:41pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Goof Luck.

2. As in Tikkun?

148 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:13:22pm

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just checked into the hotel. Guess what?

FREE CHEETOS!

Had me some Cheetos.

all in all the baked ones are not really all that bad for you...

149 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:13:35pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean, he's not sneakily sending us pictures of deer next to someone else's mailbox to throw us off guard?

OK that brings me to the tiger shit story.

There was a professor of chemistry at my alma mater who was more than a little eccentric.

He lived in the sticks of Maryland and had deer constantly eating his back yard garden.

Being an enterprising fellow who did not want to harm the deer, he decided the thing to do was scare them off. He thought - what is the natural enemy of deer - something that will make them scamper away? He concluded tigers.

He called the Baltimore zoo, and being very precise in his calculations required 50 kg of tiger poop. The hung up on him. But walls are only there to stop those who don't really want something badly enough. He persisted, explained he was a professor, and finally convinced them to let him sow up with some burlap sacks and a shovel.

He got his 50 kg of tiger poop.

He loaded it in his car and drove to work. Since it was a hot Baltimore day, he put the sacks in his office.

He then went on a trip to England for three weeks and forgot about them - which is how everyone else found out what happened.

150 mr.JA  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:14:24pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

Don't you love hate love hate love and hate that?

Yup. Love at the moment, as it works now. Tomorrow will be another day though.
I'm firmly convinced that a stupid biologist should just not ponder into the territory of 'synthesis', and more specifically 'reaction clean up'. I thought it was easy...

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:14:27pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

1. Goof Luck.

2. As in Tikkun?

Thank you!

and, yes, that's the one.

152 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:15:19pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Item #1: I presented my sample lesson for the job I hope to get, and it was well received.

Item #2: Michael Lerner's house in Berkeley was vandalized. From the overwrought press release:

The attackers used a powerful form of glue to attach posters to his door and around the property of his home attacking Lerner personally, and attacking liberals and progressives as being supporters of terrorism and "Islamo-fascism." They posted a printed bumper sticker saying "fight terror--support Israel" next to a carcature of Judge Goldstone whose UN report on Israel's human rights violations in its attack on Gaza last year has been denounced as anti-Semitic and pro-terror by right wingers in Israel and the U.S.. The caricature has Goldstone talking about his being kept from his grandson's bar mitzvah, and the caricature of Rabbi Lerner responds by saying "any enemy of Israel is a friend of mine."

That's rotten thing to do. It reminds me of the way the Nazis posted boycott posters on Jewish shop windows.

153 wrenchwench  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:15:20pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

In the 70's, vandal put up posters with sweetened condensed milk. Almost permanent, once dried. I wonder if that was the "powerful form of glue" used there.

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:15:21pm

re: #149 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, shit.
/

155 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:16:12pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

That's rotten thing to do. It reminds me of the way the Nazis posted boycott posters on Jewish shop windows.

That's godwin awful.

156 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:16:33pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Item #1: I presented my sample lesson for the job I hope to get, and it was well received.

Good for you!

Item #2: Michael Lerner's house in Berkeley was vandalized. From the overwrought press release:

The attackers used a powerful form of glue to attach posters to his door and around the property of his home attacking Lerner personally, and attacking liberals and progressives as being supporters of terrorism and "Islamo-fascism." They posted a printed bumper sticker saying "fight terror--support Israel" next to a carcature of Judge Goldstone whose UN report on Israel's human rights violations in its attack on Gaza last year has been denounced as anti-Semitic and pro-terror by right wingers in Israel and the U.S.. The caricature has Goldstone talking about his being kept from his grandson's bar mitzvah, and the caricature of Rabbi Lerner responds by saying "any enemy of Israel is a friend of mine."

This is definitely wrong.

However, I have a hard time defending Lerner or Goldstone from the basic accusation.

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:16:36pm

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, shit.
/

Forgot to add: That's just funny.

158 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:17:35pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you!

and, yes, that's the one.

You didn't say rabbi at first. Couldn't figure what was wrong with "Little House on the Prairie".

159 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:17:44pm

re: #155 Alouette

That's godwin awful.

Is what I said a Godwin Violation? If so, I retract it.

160 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:19:05pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Item #1: I presented my sample lesson for the job I hope to get, and it was well received.

Item #2: Michael Lerner's house in Berkeley was vandalized. From the overwrought press release:

The attackers used a powerful form of glue to attach posters to his door and around the property of his home attacking Lerner personally, and attacking liberals and progressives as being supporters of terrorism and "Islamo-fascism." They posted a printed bumper sticker saying "fight terror--support Israel" next to a carcature of Judge Goldstone whose UN report on Israel's human rights violations in its attack on Gaza last year has been denounced as anti-Semitic and pro-terror by right wingers in Israel and the U.S.. The caricature has Goldstone talking about his being kept from his grandson's bar mitzvah, and the caricature of Rabbi Lerner responds by saying "any enemy of Israel is a friend of mine."

Fuck Goldstone.

161 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:19:07pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

You didn't say rabbi at first. Couldn't figure what was wrong with "Little House on the Prairie".

Well not to start an intra-Jewish holy war, but Lerner is one fellow I would never call a rabbi for many reasons.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:19:51pm

re: #148 brookly red

Yeah. We'll say I had some of those.

163 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:20:19pm

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

Well not to start an intra-Jewish holy war, but Lerner is one fellow I would never call a rabbi for many reasons.

Sounds like a family fight, so I'll package some puns.

164 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:20:22pm

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

Well not to start an intra-Jewish holy war, but Lerner is one fellow I would never call a rabbi for many reasons.

You can call him a ra-boy.

165 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:20:59pm

re: #164 Alouette

You can call him a ra-boy.

Alouette, that is the best pun I have heard in a long time.

166 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:21:01pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. We'll say I had some of those.

they soak up beer pretty good.

167 [deleted]  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:21:14pm
168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:21:26pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. We'll say I had some of those.

They make All-Natural ones. All Natural = They Suck.

169 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:21:29pm

OT, but can I bitch about my governor for a moment?

Speaking At Trade Association Funded By BP, Gov. Perry Claims Rig Disaster Is An ‘Act Of God’

Earlier today, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which is funded by dues-paying corporations like BP and Halliburton, hosted a “Free Enterprise” conference to push deregulation and anti-tax policies. During a press availability after the morning session, a reporter raised the point that the oil rig disaster, the Massey mine disaster, and the overall financial crisis seemed to have all occurred as a result of too much free enterprise and not enough regulations. Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX), one of several governors in attendance, lashed out at the reporter and said regulations would not have prevented the economic collapse.

Later in his response, Perry said he feared a “knee-jerk reaction” to the oil spill, and said the oil spill could be just another “act of God that cannot be prevented“:

“We don’t know what the event that has allowed for this massive oil to be released,” Perry said alongside several other governors on a panel Monday. “And until we know that, I hope we don’t see a knee-jerk reaction across this country that says we’re going to shut down drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, because the cost to this country will be staggering.” Perry questioned whether the spill was “just an act of God that occurred” and said that any “politically driven” decisions could put the U.S. in further economic peril. “From time to time there are going to be things that occur that are acts of God that cannot be prevented,” Perry said.

Yes, because God cut corners, flouted existing regulations, and didn't install a remote-controlled shut off switch. It's all his fault and BP is entirely blameless. Really.

I'm well aware how much the oil industry means here in Texas, but goddamn that's some fancy footwork. I honestly can't believe the gall of spinning an industrial accident into a divine act. That's just insane to me.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:21:52pm

Well, howabout that? Just went to brush my teeth, my shampoo bottle leaked.. into my little toothbrush thingy.

You can call me "bubbles".

ACK!

171 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:23:05pm

re: #169 Lidane

OT, but can I bitch about my governor for a moment?

Speaking At Trade Association Funded By BP, Gov. Perry Claims Rig Disaster Is An ‘Act Of God’

Yes, because God cut corners, flouted existing regulations, and didn't install a remote-controlled shut off switch. It's all his fault and BP is entirely blameless. Really.

I'm well aware how much the oil industry means here in Texas, but goddamn that's some fancy footwork. I honestly can't believe the gall of spinning an industrial accident into a divine act. That's just insane to me.

Turn it around on them and point out that G-d is punishing them for destroying his creation with oil rigs.

172 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:23:49pm

Ohh and for non Tribe member lizards, ra means evil in Hebrew.

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:24:02pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

In the 70's, vandal put up posters with sweetened condensed milk. Almost permanent, once dried. I wonder if that was the "powerful form of glue" used there.

Not sure. Michael and all his minions share this extremely earnest and overly detailed writing style. Could be anything.

This upsets me. I don't like Michael's politics, didn't when I worked for them, and I've traveled far enough to the right since then that I'm probably now one of the 'right-wing Zionists' he blames this on in the title of his press statement, by his standards.

But you don't do something like this to a person's home. It's illegal, it's morally wrong, and as he's already suggesting in his press statement, this will get used as grist for the mill of 'Jews who are critical of Israel don't dare speak out'.

Stand With Us has released a statement denouncing this, and asking people to come forward if they know anything, as has my local Right Wing Zionist group, which makes me feel some better.

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:25:04pm

re: #156 LudwigVanQuixote

This is definitely wrong.

However, I have a hard time defending Lerner or Goldstone from the basic accusation.

Ya know, people can say what they want to say, as long as they don't glue it to his front door. :)

175 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:25:17pm

re: #169 Lidane

OT, but can I bitch about my governor for a moment?

Speaking At Trade Association Funded By BP, Gov. Perry Claims Rig Disaster Is An ‘Act Of God’

Yes, because God cut corners, flouted existing regulations, and didn't install a remote-controlled shut off switch. It's all his fault and BP is entirely blameless. Really.

I'm well aware how much the oil industry means here in Texas, but goddamn that's some fancy footwork. I honestly can't believe the gall of spinning an industrial accident into a divine act. That's just insane to me.

Curious. He didn't blame Obama for deliberately blowing up the oil rig with his secret environmentalist army to take over the oil industry and spread tyranny.

Who knew Rick Perry was a RINO?

176 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:25:21pm

re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist

Not sure. Michael and all his minions share this extremely earnest and overly detailed writing style. Could be anything.

This upsets me. I don't like Michael's politics, didn't when I worked for them, and I've traveled far enough to the right since then that I'm probably now one of the 'right-wing Zionists' he blames this on in the title of his press statement, by his standards.

But you don't do something like this to a person's home. It's illegal, it's morally wrong, and as he's already suggesting in his press statement, this will get used as grist for the mill of 'Jews who are critical of Israel don't dare speak out'.

Stand With Us has released a statement denouncing this, and asking people to come forward if they know anything, as has my local Right Wing Zionist group, which makes me feel some better.

All perfectly said.

I agree 100%.

177 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:27:03pm

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh and for non Tribe member lizards, ra means evil in Hebrew.

That makes the pun much better.

178 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:27:20pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Ya know, people can say what they want to say, as long as they don't glue it to his front door. :)

Which is why I started with this is definitely wrong. Not only is it extremely not kosher to do, but it will only feed their persecution complex and be seen as evidence of the vast rightwing Jewish conspiracy that somehow doesn't think that giving up the homeland is OK, is out to get them.

We are not out to get them, we just wish they would understand history and reality and STFU.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:27:50pm

re: #175 Renaissance_Man

Curious. He didn't blame Obama for deliberately blowing up the oil rig with his secret environmentalist army to take over the oil industry and spread tyranny.

Who knew Rick Perry was a RINO?

Huh. You're right. "Act of God", too. That implies that he thinks Obama is God.

Total RINO Minion Obama Worshipper.

/

180 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:30:01pm

re: #169 Lidane

OT, but can I bitch about my governor for a moment?

Speaking At Trade Association Funded By BP, Gov. Perry Claims Rig Disaster Is An ‘Act Of God’


Yes, because God cut corners, flouted existing regulations, and didn't install a remote-controlled shut off switch. It's all his fault and BP is entirely blameless. Really.

I'm well aware how much the oil industry means here in Texas, but goddamn that's some fancy footwork. I honestly can't believe the gall of spinning an industrial accident into a divine act. That's just insane to me.

Which God? Crom? Nurgle? Loki? Dagon?

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:30:05pm

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote

Which is why I started with this is definitely wrong. Not only is it extremely not kosher to do, but it will only feed their persecution complex and be seen as evidence of the vast rightwing Jewish conspiracy that somehow doesn't think that giving up the homeland is OK, is out to get them.

We are not out to get them, we just wish they would understand history and reality and STFU.

Lerner was banned from speaking at one of the early anti-war rallies in the Bay Area because he identifies himself as a left-wing Zionist, and ANSWER was not having anything to do with that.

I kind of wish he'd heard the message then--it was loud and clear.

182 freetoken  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:30:45pm

Put in the linkage the LA times obit for Lynn Redgrave, for any of her fans out there.

183 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:31:15pm
184 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:35:01pm

Enjoying the MST3k version of Manos: The Hands of Fate

"So what? We're about 30 minutes into this now?"
"Actually, its been about a minute."
"...No."

185 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:35:51pm

The Governator backs off of Drill baby Drill!

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

186 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:36:02pm

re: #169 Lidane

OT, but can I bitch about my governor for a moment?

Speaking At Trade Association Funded By BP, Gov. Perry Claims Rig Disaster Is An ‘Act Of God’

Yes, because God cut corners, flouted existing regulations, and didn't install a remote-controlled shut off switch. It's all his fault and BP is entirely blameless. Really.

I'm well aware how much the oil industry means here in Texas, but goddamn that's some fancy footwork. I honestly can't believe the gall of spinning an industrial accident into a divine act. That's just insane to me.


OK, so the new party line will be that it was an Act of God. That's how the drill baby drill team will avoid applying any sort of thought into the whole damn situation. Pitiful.

187 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:36:09pm

The Lerner story made me think of something I wrote the other day.

The biggest problem facing the Jewish people is not Islamic Fundamentalism or intermarriage or even antisemitism in general.

It is disunity and baseless hatred amongst the people. We are taught that this was the cause of the loss of the Second commonwealth and the second Temple.

Islamic Fundamentalism is only a secondary issue. It may be the secondary issue but, it is the external manifestation of our inner division.

Consider this, if someone kidnapped your brother, you would stop at nothing to get him back. There would be no questions of politicking. There would be no questions of the feelings of the kidnapper. You would get him back and not sleep until he was back. We are commanded to love one another as brothers.

If we loved our own as much as our dearest ones, nothing would deter us in taking whatever steps were needed to defend our people. We would face the world united. Not that we would ever agree on all things, but we would keep disagreements in the family.

If we really felt for Gilad Shalit as our brother and really felt the suffering of his family, there would be no question as to our actions. Water and power to Gaza go down until he comes home safely and world opinion be damned. We would simply say, "we are Jews, if you harm one of us, you contend with all of us and we will not break our resolve."

No power would try such antics if they knew we would all, everywhere in the world, stand as one on the issue to protect our own. But we do not love our own as ourselves really.

Sderot... if you were being rocketed personally, you would shoot back until it stopped. If Israel and the world Jewish community said rocket us and we will automatically respond with artillery - no apologies, to mess with one of us, is to mess with all of us the attacks on Sderot would have ended years ago. We are taught that if Jews want to fight each other, Hashem hates it so much that He will send someone else to give us what we want. We are one people. We need to act like it.

188 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:36:42pm

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

test

Now THAT'S what I call a pass!

189 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:38:23pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

OK, so the new party line will be that it was an Act of God. That's how the drill baby drill team will avoid applying any sort of thought into the whole damn situation. Pitiful.

It was probably just babbling, but "Act of God" is insurance-talk. Tell me they wouldn't dare...

190 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:40:12pm

re: #185 Thanos

The Governator backs off of Drill baby Drill!

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Thank G-d.

We will let the GOP spin this one. If the Dems were smart, they would go on the offensive right now and point out the reckless dangers of this and the fact that the oil companies are out for their own profits and not the well being of America.

191 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:40:22pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

It was probably just babbling, but "Act of God" is insurance-talk. Tell me they wouldn't dare...

Those Acts of God are gonna bite Heaven in the butt when the lawyers get in there.

192 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:41:09pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

It was probably just babbling, but "Act of God" is insurance-talk. Tell me they wouldn't dare...

Nope...not an act of god. Just heard an interview with an oyster farmer on NPR...they got "crop insurance" after Katrina...but the insurance companies say that oil spills aren't covered (i.e., they're acts of man, not god).

193 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:41:17pm

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those Acts of God are gonna bite Heaven in the butt when the lawyers get in there.

I somehow think those sorts of lawyers don't get in so easily.

194 engineer cat  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:41:47pm

re: #169 Lidane

OT, but can I bitch about my governor for a moment?

Speaking At Trade Association Funded By BP, Gov. Perry Claims Rig Disaster Is An ‘Act Of God’


Yes, because God cut corners, flouted existing regulations, and didn't install a remote-controlled shut off switch. It's all his fault and BP is entirely blameless. Really.

I'm well aware how much the oil industry means here in Texas, but goddamn that's some fancy footwork. I honestly can't believe the gall of spinning an industrial accident into a divine act. That's just insane to me.

surely evangelical ministers will now pipe right up and say that this disaster is g-d's warning to us to not muck around with oil drilling in environmentally sensitive areas, and more generally to get off the oil standard altogether

right?

195 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:42:58pm

re: #190 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank G-d.

We will let the GOP spin this one. If the Dems were smart, they would go on the offensive right now and point out the reckless dangers of this and the fact that the oil companies are out for their own profits and not the well being of America.

well if you are a state or federal worker you probably hold a bunch of Exxon in your pension plan... juss saying.

196 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:43:18pm

re: #193 LudwigVanQuixote

I somehow think those sorts of lawyers don't get in so easily.

Once we get the portals working, we'll get in.

/Read the Salvation War

197 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:43:59pm

Now this is hilarious...

From Anthony Michael Hall to Rick Astley to Thomas Dolby to Moby....
[Link: twitpic.com...]

198 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:44:06pm

re: #169 Lidane

OT, but can I bitch about my governor for a moment?

Speaking At Trade Association Funded By BP, Gov. Perry Claims Rig Disaster Is An ‘Act Of God’

Yes, because God cut corners, flouted existing regulations, and didn't install a remote-controlled shut off switch. It's all his fault and BP is entirely blameless. Really.

I'm well aware how much the oil industry means here in Texas, but goddamn that's some fancy footwork. I honestly can't believe the gall of spinning an industrial accident into a divine act. That's just insane to me.

Umm...before your knickers get twisted beyond repair, know that "Act of God" is a legal, not a theological term.

I haven't heard yet about cut corners, flouted regulations, and missing switches. Got links for that?

An Act of God for, say, insurance purposes would be if a big wind blows a tree on top of my car, or a lightning bolt strikes my barn and sets it afire, or if a hurricane huffs my whole seekrit compound into Lake Michigan. Depending on how the policy is written, I may or may not be covered.

An Act of God can also be an explosion, a fire, a flood, a tornado or a plague.

This does not mean BP is not responsible for the cleanup.

199 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:44:06pm

re: #195 brookly red

well if you are a state or federal worker you probably hold a bunch of Exxon in your pension plan... juss saying.

Separation of oil and state... it's a good idea that we should have implemented decades ago.

200 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:44:23pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

It was probably just babbling, but "Act of God" is insurance-talk. Tell me they wouldn't dare...

All I can think of is how long it took the Alaskan's affected by Exxon Valdez to receive their (reduced by the Supreme Court) award. I think it was 12K ea.

That's all I can think of. Hopefully by referring back to Exxon the people of the Gulf Coast have a better chance.

201 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:44:30pm

re: #192 darthstar

Nope...not an act of god. Just heard an interview with an oyster farmer on NPR...they got "crop insurance" after Katrina...but the insurance companies say that oil spills aren't covered (i.e., they're acts of man, not god).

I don't think they're stupid enough to try an end-run, but I've been fooled before. The Gov is probably just stringing phrases together suggestively.

202 engineer cat  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:44:46pm
Workers march on Wall Street, Protest Big Banks
By CRISTIAN SALAZAR (AP)

April 30, 2010 -- NEW YORK — Thousands of workers and union leaders marched on Wall Street on Thursday to express their anger over lost jobs, the taxpayer-funded bailout of financial institutions and questionable lending practices by big banks.

somehow considerably less interesting to the media than a few thousand teabaggers in d.c.

203 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:45:42pm

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Separation of oil and state... it's a good idea that we should have implemented decades ago.

perhaps, but we didn't so now what?

204 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:46:13pm

re: #190 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank G-d.

We will let the GOP spin this one. If the Dems were smart, they would go on the offensive right now and point out the reckless dangers of this and the fact that the oil companies are out for their own profits and not the well being of America.

Yes, it's ugly -- but impermanent. I'd rather if we have to burn stuff for energy burn that oil instead of coal... better yet replace it with nuclear, hydro, solar, wind.

205 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:46:49pm

Keith just posted on his show: text Red Cross to 90999 and $10 will go to flood relief for the people in Tennessee...Titan stadium up to the first row of seats - looks like a stagnant swimming pool. Oprey under 10 ft of water...Nashville's in a world of hurt right now, but with oil rigs and car bombs, they're not getting much attention.

206 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:47:00pm

Y'all really should learn what "Act of God" actually means in legal terms before you keep up the ranting.

207 engineer cat  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:47:01pm

re: #171 LudwigVanQuixote

how does one acknowledge that somebody else has beaten them to the point on this blog?

208 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:47:49pm

re: #205 darthstar

Keith just posted on his show: text Red Cross to 90999 and $10 will go to flood relief for the people in Tennessee...Titan stadium up to the first row of seats - looks like a stagnant swimming pool. Oprey under 10 ft of water...Nashville's in a world of hurt right now, but with oil rigs and car bombs, they're not getting much attention.

For a minute there I thought you wrote "Oprah" and I was goint to send a check to the flood.

209 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:47:59pm

re: #203 brookly red

perhaps, but we didn't so now what?

Separate it now, no matter how painful, before our addiction causes the loss of the nation through ecological collapse.

There is really no other choice.

Though you could also argue: separate it now, no matter how painful, so that we do not fund our enemies and waste lives and treasure protecting oil interests.

210 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:48:34pm

re: #204 Thanos

better yet replace it with nuclear, hydro, solar, wind.


Amen.

211 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:48:44pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

Y'all really should learn what "Act of God" actually means in legal terms before you keep up the ranting.

/well yes but refresh my memory, what was it that Jesus about lawyers again?

212 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:48:50pm

re: #202 engineer dog

somehow considerably less interesting to the media than a few thousand teabaggers in d.c.

The press doesn't like to focus on left-wing unions right now. It complicates their narrative by making the president seem to be under attack form both sides.

213 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:48:58pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

I don't think they're stupid enough to try an end-run, but I've been fooled before. The Gov is probably just stringing phrases together suggestively.

I'm sure that Perry and BP want to use 'act of god' to displace blame, but for the insurance companies, policy is policy...remember after Katrina that hurricane insurance didn't cover 'flood damage'...

214 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:49:42pm

re: #211 brookly red

/well yes but refresh my memory, what was it that Jesus about lawyers again?

Not much, but he said a lot about "scribes", who tended to be the lawyers of the day.

215 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:49:43pm

re: #209 LudwigVanQuixote

Separate it now, no matter how painful, before our addiction causes the loss of the nation through ecological collapse.

There is really no other choice.

Though you could also argue: separate it now, no matter how painful, so that we do not fund our enemies and waste lives and treasure protecting oil interests.

every once in a while I agree with you.

216 freetoken  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:49:49pm

FWIW, the Gulf of Mexico is the single most important oil province the US has, and has been the staple of our oil production for several years now.

Of the slightly more than 5M bbl/d of crude and condensate that the US produces, the Gulf of Mexico now accounts for significant fraction.

The EIA, in one of their fantasy scenarios (oh... they don't call it a fantasy, I do) says this:

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) projects that net imports of U.S. crude oil and petroleum products will decline from 12.1 MMbd in 2007 to 8.3 MMbd in 2030.2 Growth in total U.S. petroleum consumption is expected to remain relatively flat out to 2030. Meanwhile, the increase in U.S. crude oil production in the Gulf of Mexico and elsewhere, combined with increasing biofuel and coal-to-liquids (CTL) production, is expected to reduce the need for imports over the longer term. U.S. petroleum import dependence is projected to fall from 58% in 2007 to 40% by 2030.

The idea that US imports will decline by the amount stated, because of GoM production (along with CTL) is fantasy. Yet, in order for the US to continue to not be in a permanent depression that is indeed what is need, or else we have to do a truly massive CTL project.

217 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:49:53pm

re: #207 engineer dog

how does one acknowledge that somebody else has beaten them to the point on this blog?

That will do. :) Believe me it happens all the time to me also. I think I have some great point and ten folks have already put it up.

218 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:53:10pm

re: #216 freetoken

FWIW, the Gulf of Mexico is the single most important oil province the US has, and has been the staple of our oil production for several years now.

Of the slightly more than 5M bbl/d of crude and condensate that the US produces, the Gulf of Mexico now accounts for significant fraction.

The EIA, in one of their fantasy scenarios (oh... they don't call it a fantasy, I do) says this:

The idea that US imports will decline by the amount stated, because of GoM production (along with CTL) is fantasy. Yet, in order for the US to continue to not be in a permanent depression that is indeed what is need, or else we have to do a truly massive CTL project.

Without a comprehensive nuclear plan, this scenario will keep repeating .

219 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:54:13pm

re: #218 researchok

Without a comprehensive nuclear plan, this scenario will keep repeating .

well someday there will be a nuclear accident too... shit happens

220 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:54:44pm

re: #169 Lidane

Once again, I have to ask - when you assert

[...] cut corners, flouted existing regulations, and didn't install a remote-controlled shut off switch.

Do you have links that BP did any of this? I haven't heard about it yet.

Your absurd contention that the term "Act of God" in fact means anything like "God did it" pissed me off, but your non-response to my request for links above is worse.

221 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:55:04pm

re: #219 brookly red

well someday there will be a nuclear accident too... shit happens

Right.

And your point is?

222 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:55:23pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Umm...before your knickers get twisted beyond repair, know that "Act of God" is a legal, not a theological term.

I'm well aware of that. It's why I'm bitching.

"Act of God" is a legal term that absolves all responsibility. It would shield BP from any and all lawsuits or from any punitive damages. Lost your farm or livelihood because of BP's negligence? It's an Act of God! You can't collect a dime. Got a spouse or relative who died or is injured or missing? It was an Act of God! Sorry about that, but good luck to you and yours.

That's what galls me the most about what Perry is saying. He's basically absolving BP of any and all wrongdoing in this disaster, and giving them an out when they get sued. If they start making the case now that it's an Act of God and that nothing could have prevented it, that allows BP to shield themselves from liability, which is wrong. Period.

As for the dodgy safety record and all that, go here:

[Link: climateprogress.org...]

223 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:55:23pm

re: #221 researchok

Right.

And your point is?

shit happens

224 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:56:04pm

re: #218 researchok

Without a comprehensive nuclear plan, this scenario will keep repeating .

With a comprehensive nuclear plan, we will someday have a nuclear disaster. It's inevitable.

And birds will get killed by windmills.

225 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:56:12pm

re: #216 freetoken

FWIW, the Gulf of Mexico is the single most important oil province the US has, and has been the staple of our oil production for several years now.

Of the slightly more than 5M bbl/d of crude and condensate that the US produces, the Gulf of Mexico now accounts for significant fraction.

The EIA, in one of their fantasy scenarios (oh... they don't call it a fantasy, I do) says this:

The idea that US imports will decline by the amount stated, because of GoM production (along with CTL) is fantasy. Yet, in order for the US to continue to not be in a permanent depression that is indeed what is need, or else we have to do a truly massive CTL project.

Or we could just deploy nuclear solar and wind along with a smart grid and switch to electric vehicles...

Millions of American technical jobs created, no pesky funding of thuggish regimes, giant boom in the economy ohh and help stave off eco collapse...

But that would be too sensible.

226 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:56:53pm

re: #222 Lidane

It would be an act of god if the oil rig hit a deer or had a tree fall on it. Short of that, it's a man-made disaster.

227 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:56:56pm

re: #222 Lidane

Sue God.

228 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:57:37pm

re: #223 brookly red

shit happens

Shit happens every day, everywhere. Will stay home tomorrow because you may get hit by a bus?re: #225 LudwigVanQuixote

Or we could just deploy nuclear solar and wind along with a smart grid and switch to electric vehicles...

Millions of American technical jobs created, no pesky funding of thuggish regimes, giant boom in the economy ohh and help stave off eco collapse...

But that would be too sensible.

Yeah, but that might put a real dent in the bitching industry.

229 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:57:48pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

With a comprehensive nuclear plan, we will someday have a nuclear disaster. It's inevitable.

And birds will get killed by windmills.

Out of every 10000 birds killed by man-made causes, less than 10 are killed by windmills. Houses kill more birds. Let's ban houses.

230 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:57:55pm

re: #227 Varek Raith

Sue God.

the good news is you won, the bad news, try collecting...

231 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:58:10pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

With a comprehensive nuclear plan, we will someday have a nuclear disaster. It's inevitable.

And birds will get killed by windmills.

As opposed to mass extinctions that will result from unchecked AGW? I part ways with the eco-movement when they can not do that simple math.

232 engineer cat  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:58:15pm

a sample legal definition of 'act of g-d':

Act of God
An event which is caused solely by the effect of nature or natural causes and without any interference by humans whatsoever.

[Link: www.duhaime.org...]

233 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:59:06pm

H/t to Sensuous Curmudgeon for finding this video:

234 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 5:59:26pm

re: #222 Lidane

WOW. Amazing info at your link.

235 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:00:06pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

With a comprehensive nuclear plan, we will someday have a nuclear disaster. It's inevitable.

And birds will get killed by windmills.

It's not a safe world. No matter what we do, the need for electricity will get some people killed. But nuclear power will ultimately kill far fewer people than coal and oil, due to its lower carbon emissions.

236 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:00:38pm

re: #187 LudwigVanQuixote

If we loved our own as much as our dearest ones, nothing would deter us in taking whatever steps were needed to defend our people. We would face the world united. Not that we would ever agree on all things, but we would keep disagreements in the family.

Quixote, Speaking as an atheist with a Catholic upbringing, I can't agree with this. It seems to me that many of the evils for which Catholicism is responsible throughout history stem from a baseless over-identification with people perceived as belonging to one's group. A philosophy of maximalist response invariably ends with the annihilation of the ones with the smaller army.

Take the "Jewish people" group, for instance. If I were to judge them as a group (and I don't think this is morally acceptable), well... They are more secular, scientifically-oriented, liberal and cosmopolitan than Catholics. These are all pluses for me. Why should my "brotherly love" go to Catholics?

237 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:00:47pm

re: #226 darthstar

What about an underground phenomenon that was unprecedented?

238 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:00:58pm

re: #228 researchok

Yeah, but that might put a real dent in the bitching industry.

it is what it is, energy is potentially dangerous, & some time kinetically dangerous... shit happens.

239 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:01:50pm

re: #226 darthstar

It would be an act of god if the oil rig hit a deer or had a tree fall on it. Short of that, it's a man-made disaster.

In the Army munitions world, we had a distinct application: "If lightning strikes your properly sited, bonded, grounded and shielded explosives, that's an Act of God. If your shit ain't regulation, it's on you."

240 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:02:10pm

re: #238 brookly red

it is what it is, energy is potentially dangerous, & some time kinetically dangerous... shit happens.

Walking around can be dangerous.

241 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:02:21pm

re: #222 Lidane

I'm well aware of that. It's why I'm bitching.

"Act of God" is a legal term that absolves all responsibility. It would shield BP from any and all lawsuits or from any punitive damages. Lost your farm or livelihood because of BP's negligence? It's an Act of God! You can't collect a dime. Got a spouse or relative who died or is injured or missing? It was an Act of God! Sorry about that, but good luck to you and yours.

That's what galls me the most about what Perry is saying. He's basically absolving BP of any and all wrongdoing in this disaster, and giving them an out when they get sued. If they start making the case now that it's an Act of God and that nothing could have prevented it, that allows BP to shield themselves from liability, which is wrong. Period.

As for the dodgy safety record and all that, go here:

[Link: climateprogress.org...]

Bullshit.

An Act of God (big-ass wind) knocks over my tree on my neighbor's garage, crushing it and the car inside.

All that means is that I can't collect from my insurance to pay for my neighbor's car. But my neighbor can collect from me, regardless of my insurance situation, because it was my tree that fell on his stuff, and who knocked it over is immaterial to his case for damages.

242 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:02:58pm

re: #240 researchok

Walking around can be dangerous.

especially if you owe money...

243 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:03:02pm

re: #237 Rightwingconspirator

What about an underground phenomenon that was unprecedented?

Find a way to put that 'underground phenomenon' on top of the Deep Horizon when the accident occurred, and you've got something.

244 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:03:19pm

New details on the Times Square bomber are pointing towards a Pakistan connection.


ABC News
says that the person of interest is a naturalized American originally from Pakistan. There's also more detail about recently released videos that raises the international angle.

245 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:04:41pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Bullshit.

An Act of God (big-ass wind) knocks over my tree on my neighbor's garage, crushing it and the car inside.

All that means is that I can't collect from my insurance to pay for my neighbor's car. But my neighbor can collect from me, regardless of my insurance situation, because it was my tree that fell on his stuff, and who knocked it over is immaterial to his case for damages.

Actually, you CAN collect from your insurance. And your neighbor can collect from his insurance and neither of you have to pay a penalty.

246 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:04:50pm

re: #231 LudwigVanQuixote

As opposed to mass extinctions that will result from unchecked AGW? I part ways with the eco-movement when they can not do that simple math.

Indeed. The best way i could describe you is pro-humanity. You do your best to get the species to the best place it can be at. I lift my soda to a fine man. Cheers.

247 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:05:49pm

re: #236 Nimed

Quixote, Speaking as an atheist with a Catholic upbringing, I can't agree with this. It seems to me that many of the evils for which Catholicism is responsible throughout history stem from a baseless over-identification with people perceived as belonging to one's group. A philosophy of maximalist response invariably ends with the annihilation of the ones with the smaller army.

Take the "Jewish people" group, for instance. If I were to judge them as a group (and I don't think this is morally acceptable), well... They are more secular, scientifically-oriented, liberal and cosmopolitan than Catholics. These are all pluses for me. Why should my "brotherly love" go to Catholics?

Because, Catholics as individuals are as monolithic as any other group and your broad-assed brush is bigoted. In your second paragraph you claim it's not morally acceptable to judge Jews as a group, yet that's exactly what you do in your closing statement "Why should my 'brotherly love' go to Catholics?"

248 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:05:53pm

re: #229 darthstar

Out of every 10000 birds killed by man-made causes, less than 10 are killed by windmills. Houses kill more birds. Let's ban houses.

You really are rather slow, aren't you?

I have no problem whatever with windmills or houses or outdoor cats killing birds, even if the toll were an order of magnitude higher than it is.

It's the NIMBYs, the whiners, the "nature is good and kind" sentimentalists and people who think "the universe" is in some way benevolent who have the problem.

249 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:05:54pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Bullshit.

An Act of God (big-ass wind) knocks over my tree on my neighbor's garage, crushing it and the car inside.

All that means is that I can't collect from my insurance to pay for my neighbor's car. But my neighbor can collect from me, regardless of my insurance situation, because it was my tree that fell on his stuff, and who knocked it over is immaterial to his case for damages.

OK, so Perry is a pandering idiot asshole. He said it.

250 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:05:55pm

re: #222 Lidane

But the governor has no authority to make that declaration, apart from empty rhetoric. His word on the matter has no weight. It's just a dumb comment, and will reduce BP's liability by exactly zero dollars and zero cents.

251 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:06:16pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

The point is, if you think BP isn't going to try and use the Act of God, no-one-could-have-predicted-this excuse for this disaster when they inevitably get sued, you're far more optimistic than I am. And what galls me the most is that Perry is giving them the cover for it, and creating a ready made excuse.

252 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:06:26pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Act of God in an insurance matter has specific legal meaning - defined in the contracts.

Gov. Perry's statement has no legal bearing on this situation. He's entitled to his opinion, but not his own facts, and the fact is that the Deepwater Horizon suffered some kind of failure(s), leading to multiple oil leaks that now threaten all manner of wildlife with a significantly sized oil slick. Now, Perry could be referencing that various natural events (wind, rain, wave conditions) are "conspiring" against efforts to contain the oil - as the Act of God, but the underlying cause of the incident is still manmade.

253 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:06:53pm

re: #236 Nimed

Quixote, Speaking as an atheist with a Catholic upbringing, I can't agree with this. It seems to me that many of the evils for which Catholicism is responsible throughout history stem from a baseless over-identification with people perceived as belonging to one's group. A philosophy of maximalist response invariably ends with the annihilation of the ones with the smaller army.

Take the "Jewish people" group, for instance. If I were to judge them as a group (and I don't think this is morally acceptable), well... They are more secular, scientifically-oriented, liberal and cosmopolitan than Catholics. These are all pluses for me. Why should my "brotherly love" go to Catholics?

There are several ways to take the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. Judaism teaches all three. The psychology is simple. If you were in pain and needed help, you would pray for someone to help you.

1. It means everyone needs to be loved. Everyone. When bad things happen to anyone, you have a duty to help. This applies to you no matter what you look like or how you talk (or don't talk) to G-d.

2. It means that as a Jew, you should wake up to history and notice how many times no one came to help you. Learn from that and be good to others.

3. It means that as a Jew, you should wake up to history and notice how many times no one came to help you. Learn from that and take care of your fellow Jews. Few others will.

254 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:07:06pm

re: #244 lawhawk

New details on the Times Square bomber are pointing towards a Pakistan connection.


ABC News
says that the person of interest is a naturalized American originally from Pakistan. There's also more detail about recently released videos that raises the international angle.

Then it likely was an attempted Islamist terror bomb. I again thank God it was thwarted.

255 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:07:35pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

With a comprehensive nuclear plan, we will someday have a nuclear disaster. It's inevitable.

And birds will get killed by windmills.

We've actually had three, and the death toll for all of them is still countable on the fingers of two hands.

In the first disaster, the core of an experimental reactor smashed a worker when it shot upwards from steam pressure, in the second we had a leak at TMI, homes and land had to be evacuated. In the third several people died at Chernobyl trying to contain it.

Every single year 30-50 thousand miners die for coal, every year thousands die drilling and transporting oil, not to speak of the deaths due to fires etc. Even if we ramp up nuclear to replace it all the death tolls will still be lower as measured by real data.

256 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:08:39pm

re: #248 Cato the Elder

You really are rather slow, aren't you?

I have no problem whatever with windmills or houses or outdoor cats killing birds, even if the toll were an order of magnitude higher than it is.

It's the NIMBYs, the whiners, the "nature is good and kind" sentimentalists and people who think "the universe" is in some way benevolent who have the problem.

I was just pointing out a fact I read the other day...it wasn't an assault on your character. Defensive much? Doesn't matter. I'll defer to your sense of superiority and applaud quietly whenever I see you post.

257 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:08:44pm

re: #245 darthstar

Actually, you CAN collect from your insurance. And your neighbor can collect from his insurance and neither of you have to pay a penalty.

You are not just slow, but pig-ignorant. Whether or not I can collect from my insurance policy for damages from a blown-over tree depends entirely on how the policy is written.

Ever hear of flood or hurricane exclusions?

258 avanti  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:09:06pm

Oklahoma abortion law gets temporary block.

Court.

259 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:09:21pm

re: #255 Thanos

We've actually had three, and the death toll for all of them is still countable on the fingers of two hands.

In the first disaster, the core of an experimental reactor smashed a worker when it shot upwards from steam pressure, in the second we had a leak at TMI, homes and land had to be evacuated. In the third several people died at Chernobyl trying to contain it.

Every single year 30-50 thousand miners die for coal, every year thousands die drilling and transporting oil, not to speak of the deaths due to fires etc. Even if we ramp up nuclear to replace it all the death tolls will still be lower as measured by real data.

But think about the wildlife.

260 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:10:11pm

re: #255 Thanos

Heh. Life is a lethal experience.

Nobody gets out of here alive.
J. Morrison.

261 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:10:14pm

re: #256 darthstar

I was just pointing out a fact I read the other day...it wasn't an assault on your character. Defensive much? Doesn't matter. I'll defer to your sense of superiority and applaud quietly whenever I see you post.

And all you do with me is talk of turds. By the way, the next episode of the turd show is on tomorrow night.

262 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:10:19pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

You are not just slow, but pig-ignorant. Whether or not I can collect from my insurance policy for damages from a blown-over tree depends entirely on how the policy is written.

Ever hear of flood or hurricane exclusions?

Pig-ignorant? I've never been called pig-ignorant before...updinged for originality.
Very good, Cato

263 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:10:25pm

re: #255 Thanos

You're leaving out a couple of other incidents, one involving the demon core; a couple of incidents involving reprocessing in Japan; and a processing incident (Silkwood) in the US. But the number of casualties is far lower than from coal mines - where hundreds are killed every year in China and many more from the pollution in the atmosphere.

264 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:10:32pm

re: #255 Thanos

In the third several people died at Chernobyl trying to contain it.

Surely the death toll from Chernobyl, given the radioactive dust spread and aftermath, can be counted as more than several.

265 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:10:35pm

re: #250 Rightwingconspirator

But the governor has no authority to make that declaration, apart from empty rhetoric. His word on the matter has no weight. It's just a dumb comment, and will reduce BP's liability by exactly zero dollars and zero cents.

Glad to hear it, BP's liability adds up to around... (puts on CPA cap and starts cranking up numbers on an adding machine) lets see carry the crap load and don't forget the s*** ton....

They owe us... however f***ing much it costs us to clean this all up!

266 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:10:53pm

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

And all you do with me is talk of turds. By the way, the next episode of the turd show is on tomorrow night.

Bulamanganao is my favorite island in the whole world.

267 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:11:28pm

re: #258 avanti

Oklahoma abortion law gets temporary block.

Court.

HIP HIP HORRAY FOR COMMON SENSE!

268 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:11:43pm

Drill here, drill now!
Then the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and we all went, 'hmmm'.

Nukes here, nukes now!
I'm not looking forward to the 'hmmm' on this one.

I'm gonna crawl back into my cave.

269 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:11:51pm

re: #251 Lidane

The point is, if you think BP isn't going to try and use the Act of God, no-one-could-have-predicted-this excuse for this disaster when they inevitably get sued, you're far more optimistic than I am. And what galls me the most is that Perry is giving them the cover for it, and creating a ready made excuse.

He's not giving them a God-damned thing. He's spouting off at the mouth and his spew has no bearing on BP's legal standing in this case.

See this:

re: #239 Decatur Deb

In the Army munitions world, we had a distinct application: "If lightning strikes your properly sited, bonded, grounded and shielded explosives, that's an Act of God. If your shit ain't regulation, it's on you."

I often agree with you, but your in hysterics right now.

270 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:12:11pm

re: #247 Walter L. Newton

Because, Catholics as individuals are as monolithic as any other group and your broad-assed brush is bigoted. In your second paragraph you claim it's not morally acceptable to judge Jews as a group, yet that's exactly what you do in your closing statement "Why should my 'brotherly love' go to Catholics?"

My arguments were:

1-It's not morally acceptable to judge anyone by some statistical traits of a group.
2. Even if it was, there's no reason to favor the group which I "belong to" - Catholics - as the group that I'd support in detriment of other groups.

271 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:12:58pm

re: #250 Rightwingconspirator

But the governor has no authority to make that declaration, apart from empty rhetoric. His word on the matter has no weight. It's just a dumb comment, and will reduce BP's liability by exactly zero dollars and zero cents.

Think of it as poisoning the well. Perry might not have any legal authority, but he can get the idea that all of this disaster was an Act of God that no one could have prevented out there. Float it along, particularly on the right, with people buying into it.

Now try to impanel a jury in a lawsuit against BP after this idea has been making the rounds for a while, and tell me that it's just empty rhetoric.

Granted, all this might be unrealistic on my part, but I'm just cynical enough about that kind of talk to believe that it's all a precursor to finding a way out of ever paying a dime over this mess.

272 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:13:26pm

re: #252 lawhawk

Act of God in an insurance matter has specific legal meaning - defined in the contracts.

Gov. Perry's statement has no legal bearing on this situation. He's entitled to his opinion, but not his own facts, and the fact is that the Deepwater Horizon suffered some kind of failure(s), leading to multiple oil leaks that now threaten all manner of wildlife with a significantly sized oil slick. Now, Perry could be referencing that various natural events (wind, rain, wave conditions) are "conspiring" against efforts to contain the oil - as the Act of God, but the underlying cause of the incident is still manmade.

His statement has no legal bearing, but it certainly seems to be preparing some political and public-perception ground. Most likely, he's just babbling.

273 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:13:32pm

re: #258 avanti

Oklahoma abortion law gets temporary block.

Court.

Good. At least someone out there has some sense.

274 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:13:50pm

re: #270 Nimed

My arguments were:

1-It's not morally acceptable to judge anyone by some statistical traits of a group.
2. Even if it was, there's no reason to favor the group which I "belong to" - Catholics - as the group that I'd support in detriment of other groups.

Sorry... that wasn't clear in the way your two paragraphs were constructed. By the way, glad to see another rational thinking atheist on LGF.

275 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:13:52pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

you're...don't fuck with contractions.

[Link: www.english-zone.com...]

276 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:14:08pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

You are not just slow, but pig-ignorant. Whether or not I can collect from my insurance policy for damages from a blown-over tree depends entirely on how the policy is written.

Ever hear of flood or hurricane exclusions?

Earthquakes require a separate policy, and since no one will write in we have the California Earthquake Authority.
[Link: www.earthquakeauthority.com...]

277 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:14:35pm

re: #253 LudwigVanQuixote

There are several ways to take the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. Judaism teaches all three. The psychology is simple. If you were in pain and needed help, you would pray for someone to help you.

1. It means everyone needs to be loved. Everyone. When bad things happen to anyone, you have a duty to help. This applies to you no matter what you look like or how you talk (or don't talk) to G-d.

2. It means that as a Jew, you should wake up to history and notice how many times no one came to help you. Learn from that and be good to others.

3. It means that as a Jew, you should wake up to history and notice how many times no one came to help you. Learn from that and take care of your fellow Jews. Few others will.

I guess what I would say to that is the principles you enumerated should be universal, and not dependent on one's religious affiliation (or absence of).

278 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:14:39pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

His statement has no legal bearing, but it certainly seems to be preparing some political and public-perception ground. Most likely, he's just babbling.


Here's the problem with babble, once enough people start doing it, the sheer noise can drown out logical debate.

279 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:14:46pm

re: #264 Renaissance_Man

Surely the death toll from Chernobyl, given the radioactive dust spread and aftermath, can be counted as more than several.

Three things about that:

1. The Russians used a very dangerous and outdated reactor design that was poorly maintained, overworked and understaffed.

2. It is possible to make reactors that are physically incapable of a meltdown using the new ceramics to make fuel pellets. When I talk a nuclear industry, I mean building those sorts of reactors.

3. Even with all the harm caused by Chernobyl, the death toll - even if we go forward and count cancer deaths decades later, is still minuscule compared to the lives lost mining for coal around the world - and if you include the health costs from all that burning of fossil fuels - it gets dwarfed again. If you include the "benefits" of a global eco-collapse then you are orders of magnitude in favor of nuclear.

280 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:15:45pm

re: #275 darthstar

you're...don't fuck with contractions.

[Link: www.english-zone.com...]

I just quit smoking and cant be bothered with PIMFing at the moment.

281 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:16:08pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

I often agree with you, but your in hysterics right now.

I'm not gynocologically equipped for hysterics. See my 272.

282 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:16:24pm

re: #265 jamesfirecat

Exxon had to pay. So will BP. Paying never ever stops the argument. It just changes from "how" to "how much".

283 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:16:33pm

re: #280 Cato the Elder

I just quit smoking and cant be bothered with PIMFing at the moment.

Congratulations on getting off the cancer-sticks! Seriously. Good luck with that.

284 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:17:06pm

re: #277 Nimed

I guess what I would say to that is the principles you enumerated should be universal, and not dependent on one's religious affiliation (or absence of).

What was principle 1?

285 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:17:07pm

re: #278 jamesfirecat

Here's the problem with babble, once enough people start doing it, the sheer noise can drown out logical debate.

286 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:17:46pm
3. It means that as a Jew, you should wake up to history and notice how many times no one came to help you. Learn from that and take care of your fellow Jews. Few others will.

You might appreciate this

287 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:18:01pm

re: #280 Cato the Elder

I just quit smoking and cant be bothered with PIMFing at the moment.

Quitter.

;-)

Good for you!

288 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:18:23pm

re: #284 LudwigVanQuixote

What was principle 1?

War is peace.

Oh, wait...that's one of the principles of EngSoc (Ingsoc?) Can't remember how Orwell spelled it off the top of my head.

289 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:18:25pm

re: #286 researchok

Ludwig, that was for you.

290 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:18:31pm

re: #277 Nimed

I guess what I would say to that is the principles you enumerated should be universal, and not dependent on one's religious affiliation (or absence of).

The core of the teaching is to apply it to everyone equally and going both ways. This is of course balanced with the need to apply justice to everyone equally as well.

291 engineer cat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:18:38pm

re: #281 Decatur Deb

I'm not gynocologically equipped for hysterics. See my 272.

it's the wandering spirit womb that hovers over all political discussions, especially online ones...

292 avanti  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:18:55pm

re: #273 Lidane

Good. At least someone out there has some sense.

Nice law:

"The law requires doctors to use a vaginal probe, which provides a clearer picture of the fetus than a regular ultrasound, and to describe the fetus in detail, including its dimensions, whether arms, legs and internal organs are visible and whether there is cardiac activity.

The law also requires doctors to turn a screen depicting the ultrasound images toward the woman so she can view them."

293 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:18:56pm

re: #285 Racer X

[Video]

I would have gone with something like this personally....

294 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:19:19pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

Sorry... that wasn't clear in the way your two paragraphs were constructed. By the way, glad to see another rational thinking atheist on LGF.

No problem. It was a rather clumsily written comment.

295 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:19:51pm

re: #282 Rightwingconspirator

Exxon had to pay. So will BP. Paying never ever stops the argument. It just changes from "how" to "how much".

Your point being?

And Exxon stonewalled for years in court, trying to blame the Valdez on the drunken captain they hired and failed to fire. And then went to court again and again to have the judgment amount reduced.

BP's CEO is saying they won't do that. I'll wait to see what the shareholders have to say about it. My guess is he'll get sacked in favor of a lawyer and the thing will spin out pretty much like it did with Exxon.

296 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:20:07pm

re: #292 avanti

Nice law:

"The law requires doctors to use a vaginal probe, which provides a clearer picture of the fetus than a regular ultrasound, and to describe the fetus in detail, including its dimensions, whether arms, legs and internal organs are visible and whether there is cardiac activity.

The law also requires doctors to turn a screen depicting the ultrasound images toward the woman so she can view them."

/I'm sure in a few years the law will be updated to include those eye clamp things from Clockwork Orange so the harlot isn't able to avoid looking at the innocent life she's about to end.

(Well half sarcastic)

297 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:20:21pm

re: #276 Floral Giraffe

Earthquakes require a separate policy, and since no one will write in we have the California Earthquake Authority.
[Link: www.earthquakeauthority.com...]

Wind insurance is a separate policy too. Separate companies even. We're covered by any wind damage caused on the property, even if my neighbors roof ends up in my yard.

But I don't think you can compare homeowner's policies to corporation insurance, even the Act of God clauses. I can't imagine they work in the same way.

298 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:21:03pm

re: #282 Rightwingconspirator

Exxon had to pay. So will BP. Paying never ever stops the argument. It just changes from "how" to "how much".

Exxon did not have to pay punitive damages which were enormous. Rather their punitive damages were cut to a sliver.

299 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:21:05pm

re: #295 Cato the Elder

Your point being?

And Exxon stonewalled for years in court, trying to blame the Valdez on the drunken captain they hired and failed to fire. And then went to court again and again to have the judgment amount reduced.

BP's CEO is saying they won't do that. I'll wait to see what the shareholders have to say about it. My guess is he'll get sacked in favor of a lawyer and the thing will spin out pretty much like it did with Exxon.

BP's CEO is also saying the accident wasn't their fault.

300 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:21:35pm

re: #298 marjoriemoon

Exxon did not have to pay punitive damages which were enormous. Rather their punitive damages were cut to a sliver.

The law was changed for Exxon. 75 million in punitive damages is the limit.

301 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:21:43pm

re: #281 Decatur Deb

I'm not gynocologically equipped for hysterics. See my 272.

/hmmm, I am trying to come up with the male equivalence of hysterics but I don't want a thousand downdings... what to do, what to do...

302 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:21:50pm

re: #299 darthstar

BP's CEO is also saying the accident wasn't their fault.

Can we wait until we know what happened before we assign blame?

303 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:21:57pm

re: #248 Cato the Elder

You really are rather slow, aren't you?

I have no problem whatever with windmills or houses or outdoor cats killing birds, even if the toll were an order of magnitude higher than it is.

It's the NIMBYs, the whiners, the "nature is good and kind" sentimentalists and people who think "the universe" is in some way benevolent who have the problem.

The universe is benevolent? When the hell did that happen.

Nobody sends me the memos. :(

304 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:22:16pm

re: #300 darthstar

The law was changed for Exxon. 75 million in punitive damages is the limit.

Its never a good sign when a law is changed directly to help one company out of a jam....

305 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:22:19pm

re: #281 Decatur Deb

I'm not gynocologically equipped for hysterics. See my 272.

That was meant for Lidane. I was merely quoting you (with approval) in my argument.

And hysterics have nothing to do with sex, or "gender" as the PC people insist on calling it now.

306 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:22:20pm

re: #301 brookly red

/hmmm, I am trying to come up with the male equivalence of hysterics but I don't want a thousand downdings... what to do, what to do...

You could stop thinking with your dick.
/

307 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:22:40pm

I think the oil rig disaster, and the mine disaster, involving large corporations, with very bad track records of safety, is going to get looked at very hard.
I understand that mistakes get made, and things slip through the cracks, but it appears to me, that these companies have made systemic bets, that they either won't get caught, or the fines won't be that big, and that the pursuit of profit is worth more than the potential loss of life in a "worst case scenario".

I'm all for profit, but you have to be prepared for a "worst case scenario", and BP was not. Now, they were following the law, here in the US, but they could have done more. At the least the "shells" to collect the deepwater leaks, and the booms to collect & burn off the leaks, should have been sitting in a warehouse, IN CASE they were needed.

My 2 cents, are worth what you paid for htem.

308 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:03pm

re: #281 Decatur Deb

I'm not gynocologically equipped for hysterics. See my 272.

Hey!!! Thought you could sneak that in there.

309 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:06pm

re: #295 Cato the Elder

Your point being?

And Exxon stonewalled for years in court, trying to blame the Valdez on the drunken captain they hired and failed to fire. And then went to court again and again to have the judgment amount reduced.

BP's CEO is saying they won't do that. I'll wait to see what the shareholders have to say about it. My guess is he'll get sacked in favor of a lawyer and the thing will spin out pretty much like it did with Exxon.

If that happens, then BP shareholders should be held to account by the media. Any larger investors should be ambushed by reporters and asked why they're stonewalling and getting wildlife killed.

310 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:11pm
311 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:18pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

Can we wait until we know what happened before we assign blame?

YES.

312 avanti  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:25pm

re: #300 darthstar

The law was changed for Exxon. 75 million in punitive damages is the limit.

The Dems are introducing a bill to raise it to 10 billion or so. The GOP will probably say it's anti big business.

313 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:32pm

re: #295 Cato the Elder

Your point being?

And Exxon stonewalled for years in court, trying to blame the Valdez on the drunken captain they hired and failed to fire. And then went to court again and again to have the judgment amount reduced.

BP's CEO is saying they won't do that. I'll wait to see what the shareholders have to say about it. My guess is he'll get sacked in favor of a lawyer and the thing will spin out pretty much like it did with Exxon.

Every defendant always pleads not guilty at first. Then the deals get cut.

314 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:33pm

re: #299 darthstar

BP's CEO is also saying the accident wasn't their fault.

That could well be true, if a non-BP ship ran into the rig and caused the explosion.

315 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:44pm

re: #279 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh, I absolutely agree - Chernobyl's disaster in no way suggests that coal and the consequences thereof aren't much worse. But the cost of Chernobyl isn't just a few guys who died in the accident. And had a disaster of Chernobyl's magnitude occurred somewhere with a free press, the perception of the disaster may be even worse.

316 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:23:58pm

re: #286 researchok

You might appreciate this

Excellent article.

The definition of Zionism is right in the Israeli national anthem.

We hope to live in our own land in peace.

Hatikva literally means the hope.

Surely English or Canadian or Japanese folks want to live in their own land in peace? It is certainly true of America.

I suppose all of them are racist apartheid regimes for wanting that. The reality inversion of anti-zionism has always given me an upset stomach. The point of Jihad is to make war and live in someone else's land... Yet we are the racists?

317 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:24:00pm

re: #284 LudwigVanQuixote

What was principle 1?

Ok, but you wrote in 187

Water and power to Gaza go down until he comes home safely and world opinion be damned. We would simply say, "we are Jews, if you harm one of us, you contend with all of us and we will not break our resolve."

If the principle is truly universal, you should take into account the suffering of people who weren't responsible for the kidnapping.

I'm going to have dinner, but I'll be back in 30 min. or so to check your comments.

318 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:24:19pm

re: #300 darthstar

The law was changed for Exxon. 75 million in punitive damages is the limit.

Exxon was initially to pay $2.5B which was reduced to $500M and that wasn't enough. $75M? Wow.

319 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:24:22pm

re: #306 darthstar

You could stop thinking with your dick.
/

/I'm sorry Dave, I just can't do that...

320 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:24:22pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

Can we wait until we know what happened before we assign blame?

But we have 24 hours of network time to fill? What do you want us to do instead of assign blame? Show a mime dancing with a monkey? Because that gets older faster than you might think....

321 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:24:26pm

re: #313 researchok

Every defendant always pleads not guilty at first. Then the deals get cut.

Also not true.

Yeesh. What a lot of absolutism floating around here tonight!

322 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:24:34pm

re: #308 marjoriemoon

Hey!!! Thought you could sneak that in there.

I await the deluge.

323 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:24:37pm

re: #295 Cato the Elder

That's one outcome - and it's a plausible one.

Another outcome is that BP, which has been pushing an eco-conscious identity to distinguish itself from other oil companies, may fulfill its obligations to those who were harmed by the leaks knowing that it might prove to be cheaper to cleanup than fight the legal battles over its liabilities.

However, they might pursue legal action against the other parties involved for their share - including Halliburton, Deepwater's owner, and any other actionable parties.

BP would demand indemnification for their payout.

Also, the legal situation is a bit different from Exxon; given the way the law shook out and various states and the feds enacted various oil spill compensation laws.

324 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:24:41pm

re: #298 marjoriemoon

Exxon did not have to pay punitive damages which were enormous. Rather their punitive damages were cut to a sliver.

Of course they have been making record profits by raping us with every shortage. Time for them to pay the damages.

325 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:25:06pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

That could well be true, if a non-BP ship ran into the rig and caused the explosion.

I think if a non-BP ship ran into the rig we would have been able to find the evidence of that particular event by now....

326 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:25:15pm

re: #305 Cato the Elder

That was meant for Lidane. I was merely quoting you (with approval) in my argument.

And hysterics have nothing to do with sex, or "gender" as the PC people insist on calling it now.

Hysteria comes from Latin, if I recall (could be Greek)...it was thought that a woman's uterus floated around inside her body or something weird like that, and that when she was angry, it was because her femininity was out of whack and somewhere around the larynx...okay, looked it up...it's from the Greek for womb.

327 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:25:18pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

If that happens, then BP shareholders should be held to account by the media. Any larger investors should be ambushed by reporters and asked why they're stonewalling and getting wildlife killed.

Oh, that's right. Shame rich people into doing the right thing. A tactic that has worked throughout history.

328 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:25:25pm

re: #307 Floral Giraffe

I think the oil rig disaster, and the mine disaster, involving large corporations, with very bad track records of safety, is going to get looked at very hard.
I understand that mistakes get made, and things slip through the cracks, but it appears to me, that these companies have made systemic bets, that they either won't get caught, or the fines won't be that big, and that the pursuit of profit is worth more than the potential loss of life in a "worst case scenario".

I'm all for profit, but you have to be prepared for a "worst case scenario", and BP was not. Now, they were following the law, here in the US, but they could have done more. At the least the "shells" to collect the deepwater leaks, and the booms to collect & burn off the leaks, should have been sitting in a warehouse, IN CASE they were needed.

My 2 cents, are worth what you paid for htem.

Worth every penny, dear Flo.

329 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:26:21pm

re: #323 lawhawk

Half time! Hey Lawhawk! Nice blog...I tried to post there but couldn't figured out how to do it..Registration issue?

330 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:26:33pm

re: #323 lawhawk

That's one outcome - and it's a plausible one.

Another outcome is that BP, which has been pushing an eco-conscious identity to distinguish itself from other oil companies, may fulfill its obligations to those who were harmed by the leaks knowing that it might prove to be cheaper to cleanup than fight the legal battles over its liabilities.

However, they might pursue legal action against the other parties involved for their share - including Halliburton, Deepwater's owner, and any other actionable parties.

BP would demand indemnification for their payout.

Also, the legal situation is a bit different from Exxon; given the way the law shook out and various states and the feds enacted various oil spill compensation laws.

////////////// (SARCASM) Not to mention the Exxon spill was in Alaska. They're not real Americans up there!

331 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:26:44pm

re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent article.

The definition of Zionism is right in the Israeli national anthem.

We hope to live in our own land in peace.

Hatikva literally means the hope.

Surely English or Canadian or Japanese folks want to live in their own land in peace? It is certainly true of America.

I suppose all of them are racist apartheid regimes for wanting that. The reality inversion of anti-zionism has always given me an upset stomach. The point of Jihad is to make war and live in someone else's land... Yet we are the racists?

We have to be racists, because if we are they can feel less guilty about their own failings toward Jews.

332 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:28:39pm

re: #321 Cato the Elder

Also not true.

Yeesh. What a lot of absolutism floating around here tonight!

You're right.

333 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:28:58pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

I often agree with you, but your in hysterics right now.

On the contrary. I'm nowhere near hysterical. I'm simply pissed that my governor is floating the BP company line that they're not at fault and that it was an Act of God.

334 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:29:20pm

re: #310 Racer X

Amazing Upside-Down Guitar-Playing Woman

She's not upside down. ;)

335 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:29:23pm

re: #317 Nimed

Ok, but you wrote in 187

Water and power to Gaza go down until he comes home safely and world opinion be damned. We would simply say, "we are Jews, if you harm one of us, you contend with all of us and we will not break our resolve."

If the principle is truly universal, you should take into account the suffering of people who weren't responsible for the kidnapping.

I'm going to have dinner, but I'll be back in 30 min. or so to check your comments.

The people of Gaza, as pointed out repeatedly, democratically elected the government responsible for the kidnapping. Hamas ran on a we will murder more Jews than Fatah campaign - just look at their speeches, this is real and not hyperbole - and they were elected.

The "innocent" people of Gaza voted for more hostility - democratically and in a landslide. Shutting off the water and power is already a mercy. What would America do to a regime that constantly tried to kidnap Americans, bragged about it, launched rocket attacks into our soil, bragged about it, sent suicide bombers, bragged about it, and consistently talked of destroying us?

Would we use stop gap measures?

We would flatten them even if they were a dictatorship and the people had not voted for the regime. We would not try coercing them with water and power that we would then turn back on first.

336 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:29:37pm

re: #321 Cato the Elder

Also not true.

Yeesh. What a lot of absolutism floating around here tonight!

your absolutely right...

337 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:29:41pm

re: #295 Cato the Elder
re: #311 reine.de.tout

Yes, please.

338 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:29:42pm

re: #327 Cato the Elder

Oh, that's right. Shame rich people into doing the right thing. A tactic that has worked throughout history.

The traditional seizure of property and exile does have its merits.

339 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:30:52pm

re: #335 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey ludwig, I have a semi-innocent question.

Do you think its possible to be too close to an issue to see it clearly?

340 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:31:01pm

re: #338 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The traditional seizure of property and exile does have its merits.

COMMUNISM!!!11

341 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:31:05pm

re: #327 Cato the Elder

Oh, that's right. Shame rich people into doing the right thing. A tactic that has worked throughout history.

Sometimes it works. And we have to try something. I don't want to let the same stuff happen again and again. Action must be taken.

342 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:31:19pm

re: #321 Cato the Elder

The police don't go after people that don't deserve it. That's civics 101!

343 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:31:49pm

re: #340 jamesfirecat

COMMUNISM!!!11

Only if you give it to the people.

344 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:32:03pm

re: #321 Cato the Elder

Also not true.

Yeesh. What a lot of absolutism floating around here tonight!

You are absolutely right.

345 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:32:11pm

re: #327 Cato the Elder

Oh, that's right. Shame rich people into doing the right thing. A tactic that has worked throughout history.

Ouch! what is that?

could be shame, or it could be a bayonet. How lucky do you fell comrade?

346 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:32:13pm

re: #339 windsagio

Hey ludwig, I have a semi-innocent question.

Do you think its possible to be too close to an issue to see it clearly?

If you would like my opinion, maybe. I think everything in the world looks good in pink... a pig in pink is sexy... but I like pink... maybe I'm too close tot he subject.

347 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:32:28pm

re: #264 Renaissance_Man

Surely the death toll from Chernobyl, given the radioactive dust spread and aftermath, can be counted as more than several.

Link the actual death toll IF you can find one that's trustworthy and backed by science papers or studies. You will find projections of possible deaths, but you aren't going to find a lot of deaths actually directly attributable to Chernobyl. Some agitprop sites (like Greenpeaces') put up bogus numbers from wild guesstimates that were never confirmed. Fact is that there is a slightly increased chance of cancer for hundreds of thousands to perhaps a million who were in the path, but so far there's no statistically significant pattern of deaths from Chernobyl that's highly distinguishable above the normal death rates from cancer. If there were goign to be a spike, you would think we would have seen it by now?

I am not being a denialist, there are certainly people who must have died from cancer due to Chernobyl, but those are impossible to detect from the normal "background" of cancer deaths as far as I have seen (I'm willing to be convinced otherwise if you can show convincing evidence that does't come from a rabidly anti-nuclear agitprop group.)

348 freetoken  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:32:36pm

Doing some wide-span trawling for creationism in the news (just in the last week), and noticing quite a bit in the small-town papers/websites.

Being a coastal elite I'm out of touch with the real people, who live in Sarah-land, so I've got to do some research via the 'net, but it's looking as if there is yet another groundswell of interest out there on the subject.

E.g., The Batavian, which I gather is an online news site to service some rural areas of NY, though the founder is from San Diego, is running the article Evangelist talks dinos, bones and more at Batavia church, and is pimping this video (warning NSFMH)*:


I conclude that us coastal elites have to be ever mindful that we are a minority in this country, and that the masses are creationists, or at least creationist sympathizers.

I bring this up for several reasons, not the least of which that the surging Tea Partyism in our political debates is connected to creationism, and the latest selectee of The Sarah's is a legislator from MN who is a creationist, who has plenty of other backward ideas, who is being pimped right now with great effort by the right-o-sphere (after The Sarah's blessings.)

* (NSFMH) = Not Safe For Mental Health

349 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:33:12pm

re: #346 Walter L. Newton

Pff, I always wonder why you try to deflect me from my destruction >>

I thought you liked conflict!

350 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:33:12pm

Only Sith deal in absolutes.
*See, Obi-Wan, I can say that. You can't. Silly Jedi.*

351 engineer cat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:33:22pm

re: #338 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The traditional seizure of property and exile does have its merits.

a nice tarpean rock might come in handy right now...

352 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:33:53pm

re: #333 Lidane

On the contrary. I'm nowhere near hysterical. I'm simply pissed that my governor is floating the BP company line that they're not at fault and that it was an Act of God.

OK, I get that. But what he says has no bearing at all on the facts. And I don't think the people in the Gulf region (which also includes Mexicans, who also have rights to sue and be made whole) are going to be in the mood to let BP off the hook because of something an ignorant politician says after downing too many martinis.

353 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:34:13pm

re: #329 HoosierHoops

Not sure...

354 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:34:24pm

re: #350 Varek Raith

Only Sith deal in absolutes.
*See, Obi-Wan, I can say that. You can't. Silly Jedi.*

Apparently, the Jedis are masters of cognitive dissonance

355 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:34:31pm

re: #334 darthstar

She's not upside down. ;)

She's just playing it like a dobro, which I think is damn cool.

356 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:34:35pm

re: #325 jamesfirecat

I think if a non-BP ship ran into the rig we would have been able to find the evidence of that particular event by now...

Still wouldn't change the fact the emergency shut off equipment failed. BP has the responsibility of checking the equipment they use before they put it virtually out of reach.

357 researchok  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:34:48pm

re: #335 LudwigVanQuixote

The people of Gaza, as pointed out repeatedly, democratically elected the government responsible for the kidnapping. Hamas ran on a we will murder more Jews than Fatah campaign - just look at their speeches, this is real and not hyperbole - and they were elected.

The "innocent" people of Gaza voted for more hostility - democratically and in a landslide. Shutting off the water and power is already a mercy. What would America do to a regime that constantly tried to kidnap Americans, bragged about it, launched rocket attacks into our soil, bragged about it, sent suicide bombers, bragged about it, and consistently talked of destroying us?

Would we use stop gap measures?

We would flatten them even if they were a dictatorship and the people had not voted for the regime. We would not try coercing them with water and power that we would then turn back on first.

You do not reward people in the hope they might behave appropriately. You reward people who share common values. Unless and until the Palestinians behave in a civilized way, aid only reinforces dysfunctional behavior.

358 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:35:12pm

re: #355 Cato the Elder

She's just playing it like a dobro, which I think is damn cool.

Agreed...I was just being snarky. I liked her back of the fingers slide action.

359 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:35:37pm

re: #353 lawhawk

Not sure...

I'll try again at work tuesday..It would not allow me to click into the text box...
Nice Blog sir

360 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:36:07pm

re: #307 Floral Giraffe

I think the oil rig disaster, and the mine disaster, involving large corporations, with very bad track records of safety, is going to get looked at very hard.
I understand that mistakes get made, and things slip through the cracks, but it appears to me, that these companies have made systemic bets, that they either won't get caught, or the fines won't be that big, and that the pursuit of profit is worth more than the potential loss of life in a "worst case scenario".

I'm all for profit, but you have to be prepared for a "worst case scenario", and BP was not. Now, they were following the law, here in the US, but they could have done more. At the least the "shells" to collect the deepwater leaks, and the booms to collect & burn off the leaks, should have been sitting in a warehouse, IN CASE they were needed.

My 2 cents, are worth what you paid for htem.

And a very good .02 that is.

361 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:36:17pm

re: #357 researchok

You do not reward people in the hope they might behave appropriately. You reward people who share common values. Unless and until the Palestinians behave in a civilized way, aid only reinforces dysfunctional behavior.

Quite Concur.

362 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:36:17pm

re: #336 brookly red

your absolutely right...

What an absolute travesty, you beat me to it.

363 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:36:18pm

re: #348 freetoken

Arrgh! And the little kids are talking about what fossil they would buy.

364 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:36:53pm

re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope. Not the Jedis.

George Lucas perhaps, but not the Jedi.

/the series ended with RoTJ and the prequels don't exist... *rocking back and forth gently*

365 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:37:23pm

re: #364 lawhawk

Lucas is a fascist.

(really! He says facsm is best!)

366 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:38:05pm

re: #357 researchok

You do not reward people in the hope they might behave appropriately. You reward people who share common values. Unless and until the Palestinians behave in a civilized way, aid only reinforces dysfunctional behavior.

You reward people after they display appropriate behavior.

367 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:38:13pm

re: #364 lawhawk

Nope. Not the Jedis.

George Lucas perhaps, but not the Jedi.

/the series ended with RoTJ and the prequels don't exist... *rocking back and forth gently*

Here...this will make you feel better.

368 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:38:18pm

re: #364 lawhawk

Nope. Not the Jedis.

George Lucas perhaps, but not the Jedi.

/the series ended with RoTJ and the prequels don't exist... *rocking back and forth gently*

MIDI-CHLORIANS!!!111

369 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:38:23pm

re: #364 lawhawk

Nope. Not the Jedis.

George Lucas perhaps, but not the Jedi.

/the series ended with RoTJ and the prequels don't exist... *rocking back and forth gently*

MEESA TINKS YOUSE LIVIN IN DENIAL!

370 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:38:23pm

re: #365 windsagio

Huh?

371 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:38:28pm

re: #364 lawhawk

Nope. Not the Jedis.

George Lucas perhaps, but not the Jedi.

/the series ended with RoTJ and the prequels don't exist... *rocking back and forth gently*

The movie series ended with RoTJ and then there were nine wonderful novels written about Luke's wingmate Wedge Antilles...

372 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:38:55pm

re: #352 Cato the Elder

OK, I get that. But what he says has no bearing at all on the facts. And I don't think the people in the Gulf region (which also includes Mexicans, who also have rights to sue and be made whole) are going to be in the mood to let BP off the hook because of something an ignorant politician says after downing too many martinis.

I'd probably agree with you if there weren't a bunch of people around here who take what pols like Perry say at face value because he's not part of the "librul elites". There really are people around here who'd do just that and let BP off the hook because if it's an Act of God, then who are they to question the Almighty?

373 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:38:59pm

re: #370 Cato the Elder

Well "benevolent" dictatorships anyways. I'll find the quote, and rereply, thread's moving pretty fast.

374 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:39:05pm
375 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:39:26pm

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MEESA TINKS YOUSE LIVIN IN DENIAL!



Exactly
...and why does Jarjar get all the hot babes?

376 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:39:43pm
377 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:39:50pm

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MEESA TINKS YOUSE LIVIN IN DENIAL!

SMACK!

378 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:39:55pm

re: #364 lawhawk

/the series ended with RoTJ and the prequels don't exist... *rocking back and forth gently*

Also, Han shot first.

379 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:40:23pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Times Square Bomb Attack Videos Surface

The NYPost video was pretty good. It was really smoking. There were so many people there, so lucky that it didn't work.

380 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:40:26pm

re: #378 Lidane

Also, Han shot first.

^THIS^

381 swamprat  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:40:29pm

re: #358 darthstar

Agreed...I was just being snarky. I liked her back of the fingers slide action.

Guitar had "pine 5.00" written on it.
Reminds me of the pawnshop scene in "the Blues Brothers";

"This keyboard has no action"
"Oh really? Lets see about that."
(starts playing")

382 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:40:37pm

re: #376 Racer X

I'm on my home from a beer run, who wants a cold one?

Image: 2526294954_6dc5c7da75_b.jpg

Do you have a little toy lizard just for photo ops?

383 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:40:47pm

re: #362 b_sharp

What an absolute travesty, you beat me to it.

stay hungry, stay sharp.

384 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:41:10pm

re: #339 windsagio

Hey ludwig, I have a semi-innocent question.

Do you think its possible to be too close to an issue to see it clearly?

Yes. Of course. However, this is one of those issues where any reasonable look at the facts will show you who the good guys are.

There was a two state solution from the start. It was rejected by five Arab armies in 1948 and several times after words with screams of killing all the Jews and driving us into the sea.

The Arabs attack indiscriminately and consider murdering women and children an operational aim and a victory. The Jews try their best - to the extent of risking the lives of their own soldiers in ways that even America would never do to prevent civilian casualties.

Most Jews actually do want peace. Most Arabs do not.

Jews live in a democracy... All Arab nations are monarchies or theocracies or just simply brutal dictatorships.

Jerusalem, for the first time since it was put to the torch by the Romans 2000 years ago has complete religious freedom for all faiths - now that we control it. Jerusalem is the most holy city of the Jewish faith. Try putting a church or a synagogue in Mecca.

Jews respect the rights of women and are very loud and vocal about not abusing them. Arabs will tell you the finer points of why G-d wants you to beat your wife. Do not even get me started on the status of women in the Arab world.

Jews do not publicly execute people in brutal medieval ways for daring to say something that the ruling theocracy dislikes. We do not have a theocracy or even executions - except for extreme cases.

I could make a much longer list but I sum it up in one line.

Jews fight with regret that they have to fight at all, in order to defend those they love.

Arabs love to fight and do so to murder those they hate.

385 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:41:25pm

re: #370 Cato the Elder

That's sort of why I say a benevolent despot is the ideal ruler. He can actually get things done. The idea that power corrupts is very true and it's a big human who can get past that."

First one I could find, gets the point across.

386 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:41:40pm

re: #326 darthstar

Hysteria comes from Latin, if I recall (could be Greek)...it was thought that a woman's uterus floated around inside her body or something weird like that, and that when she was angry, it was because her femininity was out of whack and somewhere around the larynx...okay, looked it up...it's from the Greek for womb.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

I've known plenty of men who are hysterics, and I have no idea whether Lidane is a man or a woman.

387 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:42:12pm

re: #386 Cato the Elder

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

I've known plenty of men who are hysterics, and I have no idea whether Lidane is a man or a woman.

That's pig-ignorant Captain Obvious to you.

388 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:43:01pm

re: #384 LudwigVanQuixote

good enough answer. And thank you for not jumping down my throat like you could have >>

389 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:43:16pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Times Square Bomb Attack Videos Surface

Hint to lizards--when people are trying to evacuate from a suspected bomb of unknown Net Explosives Weight (NEW), do not (REPEAT NOT) continue videoing the fun. Extinction is forever.

390 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:43:17pm

re: #387 darthstar

That's pig-ignorant Captain Obvious to you.

/you forgot liberal winnie...

391 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:43:18pm

re: #387 darthstar

Oink, oink!

392 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:43:28pm

re: #387 darthstar

That's pig-ignorant Captain Obvious to you.

Capt Subtle raises an eyebrow

393 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:43:58pm

re: #357 researchok

You do not reward people in the hope they might behave appropriately. You reward people who share common values. Unless and until the Palestinians behave in a civilized way, aid only reinforces dysfunctional behavior.

They are the only people in world history to start conflicts, loose them and end up benefiting from it as if they had no responsibility for their crimes.

394 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:44:03pm

re: #379 Stanley Sea

Very lucky. With all those cameras around I think there's a pretty good chance that video or pics of the bomber will turn up.

395 mlgblg  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:44:08pm

re: #91 Renaissance_Man

Not yet. Still a couple of years. Long, wearying years.

good luck! i remember when my husband did his internship-he'd leave friday morning and come home monday evening. long hours. hard work.

i, too, love your posts. actually, i love everybody's posts, specially when there are flame wars. :-)

396 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:44:18pm

re: #299 darthstar
He has about as much authority to decide fault as the Governor.
None.
We are getting ahead of the reality. The cause is unknown. The cost is on BP, it's contractors and the US government. Oh and Lloyd's of London or whoever holds the insurance. It is as obvious as the slick itself-BP is on the hook for the costs.

397 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:44:41pm

re: #376 Racer X

I'm on my home from a beer run, who wants a cold one?

Image: 2526294954_6dc5c7da75_b.jpg

That reminds me, it's that time of the evening: a commercial message is required for the LGF Cookbook. Remember, Mother's Day is coming up, and the LGF cookbook is a gift she'll always remember. One feature: exotic beverage recipes.

398 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:44:46pm

re: #389 Decatur Deb

Hint to lizards--when people are trying to evacuate from a suspected bomb of unknown Net Explosives Weight (NEW), do not (REPEAT NOT) continue videoing the fun. Extinction is forever.

hey, news people are expendable... film on film on.

399 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:44:46pm

I was wrong and need to correct my earlier statement: Chernobyl deaths have been revised up now to 56.

The two significant accidents in the 50-year history of civil nuclear power generation are:

* Three Mile Island (USA 1979) where the reactor was severely damaged but radiation was contained and there were no adverse health or environmental consequences
* Chernobyl (Ukraine 1986) where the destruction of the reactor by steam explosion and fire killed 31 people and had significant health and environmental consequences. The death toll has since increased to about 56.

400 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:44:48pm

re: #386 Cato the Elder

I've known plenty of men who are hysterics, and I have no idea whether Lidane is a man or a woman.

Last I checked, all of my plumbing is internal. ;)

401 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:45:24pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Very lucky. With all those cameras around I think there's a pretty good chance that video or pics of the bomber will turn up.

uhhh they already got a name & a profile...

402 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:03pm

re: #401 brookly red

What's your opinion of London-style 'cameras on every corner' systems?

403 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:12pm

re: #400 Lidane

re: #386 Cato the Elder

Congratulations, its a girl! :)

404 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:33pm

re: #397 jaunte

That reminds me, it's that time of the evening: a commercial message is required for the LGF Cookbook. Remember, Mother's Day is coming up, and the LGF cookbook is a gift she'll always remember. One feature: exotic beverage recipes.

Oooh! Is the lizard in the cocktail picture in the book?
Ohboyohboyohboy.
Mine's on order, already!
I'm out at the mailbox, waiting!
;)

405 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:35pm

re: #357 researchok

You do not reward people in the hope they might behave appropriately. You reward people who share common values. Unless and until the Palestinians behave in a civilized way, aid only reinforces dysfunctional behavior.

This is the problem with the current administration. They're treating the Palestinians as "equal partners in peace" and they have yet to shown that at all. The Palestinians are not equal partners. They've made no gestures towards peace. Israel has given land, money and resources to them, including the whole of Gaza and they continue to attack. They refuse to abide by the first provisions of any peace agreement, that is to stop the violence. Israel will continue to defend itself and weed out the terrorists living on their borders.

406 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:39pm

re: #323 lawhawk

That's one outcome - and it's a plausible one.

Another outcome is that BP, which has been pushing an eco-conscious identity to distinguish itself from other oil companies, may fulfill its obligations to those who were harmed by the leaks knowing that it might prove to be cheaper to cleanup than fight the legal battles over its liabilities.

However, they might pursue legal action against the other parties involved for their share - including Halliburton, Deepwater's owner, and any other actionable parties.

BP would demand indemnification for their payout.

Also, the legal situation is a bit different from Exxon; given the way the law shook out and various states and the feds enacted various oil spill compensation laws.

All very true.

Exxon in the Valdez case is the reverse example of "how to handle a major corporate fuckup" from the famous Tylenol incident.

Even though Tylenol had nothing to do with the psycho who was putting poison in their products, they pulled all the stock from the shelves, went public immediately, and took all necessary steps to repair the damage, make injured parties whole, and rescue their corporate image by putting public welfare first.

To this day there are people who will risk running out of gas before tanking at an Exxon station. I don't know anyone who won't buy Tylenol products just because it's Tylenol.

407 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:43pm

re: #403 Rightwingconspirator

re: #386 Cato the Elder

Congratulations, its a girl! :)

*ducks fast*

408 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:44pm

Oh, I enjoyed the eye candy of the early movies - Natalie Portman rates quite highly in my book, and the fight scenes and sfx are awesome, but the story? Samuel L. Jackson ought to have taken his light sabre named bad ass mfer and done in Lucas the moment that it was midichlorians when he had the chance.

He should have taken a pair of pliers and a blowtorch to the damned prophesy that "the one" will bring balance to the force.

The dialog is cringe worthy, but none worse than hearing that Padme lost the frakking will to live.

Lost the will to live? With billions of dollars in medtech available, they can't sustain her until she realizes that Aniken was bad jobu and that her kids will save the universe from her domestic abusing husband?

409 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:44pm

I heard a rumor on AM radio that the alleged bomber was pissed at Viacom because of the South Park censorship.

410 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:54pm

re: #403 Rightwingconspirator

Oh made me think of a random thought.

My sister had her second last weekend, named the poor kid "Emmett".

411 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:46:54pm

re: #403 Rightwingconspirator

re: #386 Cato the Elder

Congratulations, its a girl! :)

I didn't even know Cato was pregnant.
/

412 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:47:15pm

re: #400 Lidane

Last I checked, all of my plumbing is internal. ;)

just remember to bend at the knees when lifting & keep it that way...

413 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:47:34pm

re: #401 brookly red

uhhh they already got a name & a profile...

Do they already have a name? I missed that.

414 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:47:34pm

re: #406 Cato the Elder

Very good examples. Thank you.

415 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:47:42pm

Lol.
Weirdos.
Lol.

416 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:48:09pm

re: #404 Floral Giraffe

Oooh! Is the lizard in the cocktail picture in the book?


Yes he is, and that's just half the picture. for $16.51 (plus shipping) you'll get the whole thing!

417 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:48:18pm

re: #397 jaunte

That reminds me, it's that time of the evening: a commercial message is required for the LGF Cookbook. Remember, Mother's Day is coming up, and the LGF cookbook is a gift she'll always remember. One feature: exotic beverage recipes.

Nice!

418 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:48:24pm

re: #307 Floral Giraffe

I think the oil rig disaster, and the mine disaster, involving large corporations, with very bad track records of safety, is going to get looked at very hard.
I understand that mistakes get made, and things slip through the cracks, but it appears to me, that these companies have made systemic bets, that they either won't get caught, or the fines won't be that big, and that the pursuit of profit is worth more than the potential loss of life in a "worst case scenario".

I'm all for profit, but you have to be prepared for a "worst case scenario", and BP was not. Now, they were following the law, here in the US, but they could have done more. At the least the "shells" to collect the deepwater leaks, and the booms to collect & burn off the leaks, should have been sitting in a warehouse, IN CASE they were needed.

My 2 cents, are worth what you paid for htem.

Great comment!

419 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:49:13pm

re: #402 windsagio

What's your opinion of London-style 'cameras on every corner' systems?

I have nothing to hide, I live in NYC I am on camera all the time...

/don't hate me cause I'm beautiful...

420 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:49:36pm

re: #406 Cato the Elder

To this day there are people who will risk running out of gas before tanking at an Exxon station. I don't know anyone who won't buy Tylenol products just because it's Tylenol.

I'm one of em. Haven't bought Exxon for over 20 years now.

Misplaced? I don't know, it's emotional. They haven't missed me at all though, with their record breaking profits every qtr.

421 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:50:23pm

re: #419 brookly red

Haha, I just love that subject, its interesting to see hwere people are on the civil liberties/privacy thing >>

422 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:50:36pm

re: #410 windsagio

Oh made me think of a random thought.

My sister had her second last weekend, named the poor kid "Emmett".

Cowboy fan? wow. Emmie for short?

423 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:51:05pm

re: #411 darthstar

I didn't even know Cato was pregnant.
/

the gestation period is about 3,000 years... don't wait up.

424 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:51:31pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Do they already have a name? I missed that.

Not released, of course. The person who bought the Pathfinder off craigslist.

425 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:51:45pm

re: #397 jaunte

That reminds me, it's that time of the evening: a commercial message is required for the LGF Cookbook. Remember, Mother's Day is coming up, and the LGF cookbook is a gift she'll always remember. One feature: exotic beverage recipes.

Lurkers, you can join in too; here's the purchase link.
[Link: lgfcookbook.blogspot.com...]
(Buy it for the climate change illustration in "Miscellany.")

426 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:51:52pm

re: #424 Stanley Sea

Not released, of course. The person who bought the Pathfinder off craigslist.

They've got his name off the email he sent.

427 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:52:03pm

I will cease spamming now.

428 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:52:26pm

re: #422 Stanley Sea

I don't htink its a reference to anything, hwihc makes it weirder.

"Emmie" is a wierd thing to mention tho, thats my sister's nickname. (well one of them, you know how it goes)

429 Lidane  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:52:45pm

re: #402 windsagio

What's your opinion of London-style 'cameras on every corner' systems?

They made for an amusing episode of The Simpsons last night.

430 Jadespring  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:53:39pm

24 i

431 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:53:59pm

re: #426 darthstar

They've got his name off the email he sent.

Email? What about his privacy rights?

/justincase

432 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:54:03pm

re: #429 Lidane

Man, I haven't watched the Simpsons since about 1998. I feel like a cartoon snob.

433 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:54:08pm

re: #412 brookly red

just remember to bend at the knees when lifting & keep it that way...

You ever seen someone who got a Rectal Prolapse while working out at the weight bench or doing squats? I have, and yes it happens to females too, not just males.

/Don't grunt and push too hard, you might not like what happens. ;)

434 Jadespring  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:54:14pm

Bleh. Ignore #430.

435 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:54:40pm

re: #429 Lidane

I am exactly as comfortable with street cameras linked to the cops as they are comfortable with me in a hoodie, glasses and a bandanna on my nose and mouth.

436 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:55:16pm

re: #402 windsagio

What's your opinion of London-style 'cameras on every corner' systems?

In Baltimore they have them in "troubled" neighborhoods. There are blue blinking police lights on top of the units, which are on top of high poles, to let you know you're being watched.

Which rather defeats the purpose, if you ask me. Just shifts the trouble spots a block down the street.

437 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:55:37pm

re: #435 Rightwingconspirator

I'm exactly as comfortable with the police watching street cameras as they were with me walking down the street in a long coat >>

438 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:55:40pm

My cat Lucky:

Image: L7slz.jpg

439 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:55:42pm

re: #405 marjoriemoon

This is the problem with the current administration. They're treating the Palestinians as "equal partners in peace" and they have yet to shown that at all. The Palestinians are not equal partners. They've made no gestures towards peace. Israel has given land, money and resources to them, including the whole of Gaza and they continue to attack. They refuse to abide by the first provisions of any peace agreement, that is to stop the violence. Israel will continue to defend itself and weed out the terrorists living on their borders.

Very well said. This is my largest complaint about Obama.

440 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:55:52pm

re: #347 Thanos

WHO: Health Effects of Chernobyl

Much as you say, they suggest that it's hard to tell how large of an increase in leukaemias and thyroid cancers there will be over the background cancer death rate. There are many factors that make it hard to tell, of course, not the least of which is that many of these populations have only the barest guess at a background cancer rate to start with. A few numbers they do mention:

- 30+ deaths from acute radiation sickness
- Estimated 4000 additional cancer deaths from the most directly exposed, an increase of 3-4% over baseline
- 5000 cases of thyroid cancer already seen in exposed children; prognosis is good, so only a small number of these will have actually died, but all will have lifelong repercussions

And all, of course, a mere drop in the bucket compared to the toll of coal and oil-related deaths, not to mention the cost to the environment.

441 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:08pm

re: #438 Racer X

My cat Lucky:

Image: L7slz.jpg

Ding whore.

442 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:26pm

re: #428 windsagio

I think we're cluing in on the choice?

Made me think of albusteve. Where the hell is he lately?

443 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:33pm

re: #405 marjoriemoon

This is the problem with the current administration. They're treating the Palestinians as "equal partners in peace" and they have yet to shown that at all. The Palestinians are not equal partners. They've made no gestures towards peace. Israel has given land, money and resources to them, including the whole of Gaza and they continue to attack. They refuse to abide by the first provisions of any peace agreement, that is to stop the violence. Israel will continue to defend itself and weed out the terrorists living on their borders.

The current administration is not the first to cling to the fantasy that there is a viable peace partner on the Palestinian side.

444 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:33pm

re: #435 Rightwingconspirator

In another 20 years we'll all likely have access to dragonfly cams controlled by a cellphone app.

445 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:34pm

re: #441 prairiefire

what works, works >>

446 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:38pm

re: #438 Racer X

My cat Lucky:

Image: L7slz.jpg

Nice rack, racer.

447 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:40pm

re: #395 mlgblg

good luck! i remember when my husband did his internship-he'd leave friday morning and come home monday evening. long hours. hard work.

i, too, love your posts. actually, i love everybody's posts, specially when there are flame wars. :-)

Thank you ma'am, but you won't find me in flame wars. Entertaining as they are, I only get into fights I intend to win, and nobody wins flame wars.

448 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:41pm

re: #389 Decatur Deb

Oh, that's a general rule, but consider this.

Even with the NYPD/FDNY blocking access to movie theaters in the vicinity, those shows still went on. They were delayed in starting to allow some folks additional time to get in, but the show went on. After the shows were over - everyone was told to leave - including the performers without any delay and shuttered away from the area (probably because by that time the seriousness of the situation was becoming all too apparent. It was better to evacuate in place than get crowds onto the street where they could be hit by debris from an explosion.

449 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:56:45pm

re: #433 ausador

You ever seen someone who got a Rectal Prolapse while working out at the weight bench or doing squats? I have, and yes it happens to females too, not just males.

/Don't grunt and push too hard, you might not like what happens. ;)

I have gone to the same gym for about 17 years now and I think personal trainers should be outlawed... juss saying.

450 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:57:10pm

re: #442 Stanley Sea

I think we're cluing in on the choice?

Made me think of albusteve. Where the hell is he lately?

I was thinking that all weekend

451 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:57:21pm

re: #388 windsagio

good enough answer. And thank you for not jumping down my throat like you could have >>

I only jump down the throats of people who are being intentionally ignorant and obnoxious. You are neither.

452 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:57:23pm

re: #400 Lidane

Last I checked, all of my plumbing is internal. ;)

re: #400 Lidane

Last I checked, all of my plumbing is internal. ;)

You poor woman, not to know the joys of grabbing your own plumbing in public.

453 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:57:44pm

re: #442 Stanley Sea

I think we're cluing in on the choice?

Made me think of albusteve. Where the hell is he lately?

Probably motoring back from the grand baby visit.

454 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:57:59pm

re: #446 darthstar

Nice rack, racer.

Whoa!

If it was mine I'd never leave the house.

455 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:58:13pm

re: #444 jaunte

Aerial dogfight! Your dragonfly vs my mosquito cam.

456 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:58:17pm

re: #452 b_sharp

You poor woman, not to know the joys of grabbing your own plumbing in public.

Just adjusting the ballast.

457 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:58:22pm

re: #442 Stanley Sea

I think we're cluing in on the choice?

Made me think of albusteve. Where the hell is he lately?

Last I heard he was flying to New York to buy a used Nissan.
/

458 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:58:46pm

re: #436 Cato the Elder

In Baltimore they have them in "troubled" neighborhoods. There are blue blinking police lights on top of the units, which are on top of high poles, to let you know you're being watched.

Which rather defeats the purpose, if you ask me. Just shifts the trouble spots a block down the street.

now if you mount a laser on the camera... ooops I said too much.

459 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:59:06pm

re: #457 darthstar

He's going to replace the panels with melted-down gold, in order to move his bullion reserves across the country safely.

460 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 6:59:50pm

re: #453 prairiefire

Probably motoring back from the grand baby visit.

That was my second thought.

Steve - we miss you!

461 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:00:37pm

re: #443 Cato the Elder

The current administration is not the first to cling to the fantasy that there is a viable peace partner on the Palestinian side.

That's true. Bush earmarked some $80 million for the P.A. and he did a lot of travel to the Arab world and none to Israel. Condi also had numerous talks with Abbas.

462 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:01:45pm

re: #461 marjoriemoon

That's true. Bush earmarked some $80 million for the P.A. and he did a lot of travel to the Arab world and none to Israel. Condi also had numerous talks with Abbas.

Bush never went to Israel? I didn't know that.

Obama is overdue in my opinion, but Bush had eight freakin' years.

463 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:01:51pm

re: #440 Renaissance_Man

WHO: Health Effects of Chernobyl

Much as you say, they suggest that it's hard to tell how large of an increase in leukaemias and thyroid cancers there will be over the background cancer death rate. There are many factors that make it hard to tell, of course, not the least of which is that many of these populations have only the barest guess at a background cancer rate to start with. A few numbers they do mention:

- 30+ deaths from acute radiation sickness
- Estimated 4000 additional cancer deaths from the most directly exposed, an increase of 3-4% over baseline
- 5000 cases of thyroid cancer already seen in exposed children; prognosis is good, so only a small number of these will have actually died, but all will have lifelong repercussions

And all, of course, a mere drop in the bucket compared to the toll of coal and oil-related deaths, not to mention the cost to the environment.

And with that you set yourself in the top 20% of lizards. You are someone who actually looks up the facts and will modify their arguments accordingly. Kudos.

464 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:02:24pm

re: #448 lawhawk

Oh, that's a general rule, but consider this.

Even with the NYPD/FDNY blocking access to movie theaters in the vicinity, those shows still went on. They were delayed in starting to allow some folks additional time to get in, but the show went on. After the shows were over - everyone was told to leave - including the performers without any delay and shuttered away from the area (probably because by that time the seriousness of the situation was becoming all too apparent. It was better to evacuate in place than get crowds onto the street where they could be hit by debris from an explosion.

Any kind of shielding changes the equations, but the minimum safe distance in the open is something like 1200 meters for 1 pound of the good stuff. The tourist was standing across the street, hiding behind his viewfinder. The best answer is a swift, orderly bug-out. I hope our populations never actually get good at this.

465 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:02:35pm

re: #425 jaunte

Lurkers, you can join in too; here's the purchase link.
[Link: lgfcookbook.blogspot.com...]
(Buy it for the climate change illustration in "Miscellany.")

I can't wait!
No need to stop the posting. It's NOT spamming.

466 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:02:38pm

re: #460 Stanley Sea

That was my second thought.

Steve - we miss you!

You want I should email him, or call him?

467 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:02:43pm

re: #462 Cato the Elder

Bush never went to Israel? I didn't know that.

Obama is overdue in my opinion, but Bush had eight freakin' years.

He did in January of his last year in office. I believe it was the only time.

468 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:03:23pm

re: #462 Cato the Elder

Bush never went to Israel? I didn't know that.

Obama is overdue in my opinion, but Bush had eight freakin' years.

He couldn't for 3 reasons. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the fact that he didn't even bother going through the motions of trying to negotiate a peace deal between Israel and the pali factions.

469 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:04:17pm

re: #465 Floral Giraffe

More will be revealed, but gradually.

470 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:04:35pm

A lot of animosity towards BP over the whole debacle, but I wonder if they weren't following best engineering practices and simply experienced an unpredictable upset. If negligent in their practices then I say hang em high. Will there be justice or retribution? It's all in the forensics and BP's follow up I suppose.

471 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:04:41pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

You want I should email him, or call him?

Call his ass, tell him to chill out and check in.

472 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:04:49pm

re: #462 Cato the Elder

Bush never went to Israel? I didn't know that.

Obama is overdue in my opinion, but Bush had eight freakin' years.

There's seems to be a big push by U.S. presidents to be The Peace Brokers, but without a partner, it's pretty much onesided and impossible.

473 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:04:50pm

re: #467 marjoriemoon

He did in January of his last year in office. I believe it was the only time.

Hmm.

Obama could go next week, and it still wouldn't stop the Pams of the world from shrieking that he hates Jews and Israel and is a seekrit Muslim.

He was there during the campaign. I can't recall if Bush went prior to being selected.

474 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:04:53pm

re: #462 Cato the Elder

Bush went to Israel January 2008, and included a visit to Yad Vashem. It was 3-day visit.

475 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:05:04pm

re: #468 RogueOne

He couldn't for 3 reasons. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the fact that he didn't even bother going through the motions of trying to negotiate a peace deal between Israel and the pali factions.

going through the motions, exactly. So wheres the beef?

476 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:05:24pm

re: #442 Stanley Sea

I think we're cluing in on the choice?

Made me think of albusteve. Where the hell is he lately?

He's off visiting his first grandson. Probably having the time of his life!
I hope he is, at any rate! He'll turn up, eventually!

477 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:05:41pm

I have a link that is absolutely representative - to a tee in a completely accurate way, of the response of the banned getting banned.

Charles is the dad in this. I suppose the mom is represented by the more gentle and forgiving lizard.

This is utterly accurate.

478 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:05:43pm

re: #475 brookly red

going through the motions, exactly. So wheres the beef?

I tend to agree with his stance of "why bother".

479 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:06:00pm

re: #476 Floral Giraffe

He's off visiting his first grandson. Probably having the time of his life!
I hope he is, at any rate! He'll turn up, eventually!

I hope he has a good time.

480 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:06:19pm

re: #468 RogueOne

He couldn't for 3 reasons. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the fact that he didn't even bother going through the motions of trying to negotiate a peace deal between Israel and the pali factions.

Bull. Bull. And more bull.

There was nothing to stop him from going that could conceivably be connected with the wars.

And Bush was as wedded to the "peace process" as anyone before or since.

481 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:07:05pm

re: #478 RogueOne

I tend to agree with his stance of "why bother".

the sooner we stop bullshiting the sooner things will sort themselves out.

482 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:07:07pm

re: #471 Stanley Sea

Call his ass, tell him to chill out and check in.

I just emailed him first. If I don't get anything in 24 hours, I'll call. Was he suppose to be away fro a while... anyone know something I didn't know?

483 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:07:23pm

re: #473 Cato the Elder

Hmm.

Obama could go next week, and it still wouldn't stop the Pams of the world from shrieking that he hates Jews and Israel and is a seekrit Muslim.

He was there during the campaign. I can't recall if Bush went prior to being selected.

Obama is not a great friend of Israel. He is not the enemy that the Pams of the world make him out to be either.

484 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:07:29pm

re: #468 RogueOne

He couldn't for 3 reasons. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the fact that he didn't even bother going through the motions of trying to negotiate a peace deal between Israel and the pali factions.

Bush developed the Road Map. He made many visits to Jordan, Qatar, S.A., Dubai...

485 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:07:35pm

re: #474 lawhawk

Bush went to Israel January 2008, and included a visit to Yad Vashem. It was 3-day visit.

That doesn't change the fact that Bush could give a rat's ass about Israel or Palestine. All he cared about was keeping up the appearance of being the 'leader of the free world' (notice that phrase is finally out of the media's vernacular, thank god). The I/P conflict only served his purpose in keeping people riled up about the Middle East.

Yes, I'm skeptical about him. He was, and is, an asshole.

486 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:07:40pm

Arabs go nuts. That's why US Presidents don't go to Israel.

487 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:07:54pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

You want I should email him, or call him?

Leave him alone. He's off living a real life.
Hopefully he's having a BLAST!

488 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:08:15pm

re: #473 Cato the Elder

Obama could go to Israel 20 times, but it doesn't change the fact that he's hopelessly naive to think that Israel has a partner in peace with the Palestinians.

489 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:08:15pm

re: #482 Walter L. Newton

I just emailed him first. If I don't get anything in 24 hours, I'll call. Was he suppose to be away fro a while... anyone know something I didn't know?

Thanks Walter..I worry about his Health issues

490 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:08:25pm

re: #440 Renaissance_Man

WHO: Health Effects of Chernobyl

Much as you say, they suggest that it's hard to tell how large of an increase in leukaemias and thyroid cancers there will be over the background cancer death rate. There are many factors that make it hard to tell, of course, not the least of which is that many of these populations have only the barest guess at a background cancer rate to start with. A few numbers they do mention:

- 30+ deaths from acute radiation sickness
- Estimated 4000 additional cancer deaths from the most directly exposed, an increase of 3-4% over baseline
- 5000 cases of thyroid cancer already seen in exposed children; prognosis is good, so only a small number of these will have actually died, but all will have lifelong repercussions

And all, of course, a mere drop in the bucket compared to the toll of coal and oil-related deaths, not to mention the cost to the environment.

Great research, and thanks - I haven't looked at this in a few years and they have better data now. You are correct, I've been doing some digging myself.

The thyroid cases resulted in some actual deaths among children: 9 - which are part of that 56 actual direct deaths recorded I quoted above.
Here's some more on it from WNA, (obviously biased in favor of Nuclear, but they are directly accountable to the public as well.)
[Link: www.world-nuclear.org...]

491 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:08:38pm

re: #406 Cato the Elder

All very true.

Exxon in the Valdez case is the reverse example of "how to handle a major corporate fuckup" from the famous Tylenol incident.

Even though Tylenol had nothing to do with the psycho who was putting poison in their products, they pulled all the stock from the shelves, went public immediately, and took all necessary steps to repair the damage, make injured parties whole, and rescue their corporate image by putting public welfare first.

To this day there are people who will risk running out of gas before tanking at an Exxon station. I don't know anyone who won't buy Tylenol products just because it's Tylenol.

I remember the Tylenol poisonings. My family would sometimes shop at the Walgreen's where the poisoned bottles were found. It's actually still in operation on the northeast corner of North Avenue and Wells Street in Chicago. Thankfully, we hadn't bought any Tylenol from there near the time of the poisonings.

492 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:09:05pm

re: #485 darthstar

That doesn't change the fact that Bush could give a rat's ass about Israel or Palestine. All he cared about was keeping up the appearance of being the 'leader of the free world' (notice that phrase is finally out of the media's vernacular, thank god). The I/P conflict only served his purpose in keeping people riled up about the Middle East.

Yes, I'm skeptical about him. He was, and is, an asshole.

Now... if only some people could get over their BDS and get "it's Bush's fault" out of their vernacular...

493 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:09:36pm

re: #488 lawhawk

Obama could go to Israel 20 times, but it doesn't change the fact that he's hopelessly naive to think that Israel has a partner in peace with the Palestinians.

Which distinguishes him from his predecessors how, exactly?

494 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:09:51pm

re: #487 Floral Giraffe

Leave him alone. He's off living a real life.
Hopefully he's having a BLAST!

Ok... well, I didn't hear about any of his plans... is he away, visiting someone, what?

495 Randall Gross  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:09:57pm

All of that said, even with those disasters as a power source Nuclear is still markedly safer than all other sources, including hydro electric.

496 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:10:00pm

Okay...my lovely wife is pulling up...going to take a break and pay attention to her for a while.

Play nice, everyone.

Yes, Walter, I have BDS.

497 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:10:05pm

re: #477 LudwigVanQuixote

I have a link that is absolutely representative - to a tee in a completely accurate way, of the response of the banned getting banned.

Charles is the dad in this. I suppose the mom is represented by the more gentle and forgiving lizard.

This is utterly accurate.


[Video]

OMG so totally reinforced my no kids decision. OMG

498 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:10:23pm

re: #486 The Shadow Do

Arabs go nuts. That's why US Presidents don't go to Israel.

This is the equal footing stuff I'm talking about. Meanwhile, they traipse around the Arab world because they know Israel will understand.

499 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:10:24pm

re: #432 windsagio

Man, I haven't watched the Simpsons since about 1998. I feel like a cartoon snob.

You are.

500 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:10:59pm

re: #480 Cato the Elder

Bah. They played lip-service and nothing more. Once it led to a Hamas election victory the road-map led off a cliff. It was pure PR.

501 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:11:14pm

re: #499 b_sharp

Venture forever!!


Seriously tho', the new Boondocks season looks interesting. Macgruder can sure write.

502 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:11:18pm

re: #455 Rightwingconspirator

Aerial dogfight! Your dragonfly vs my mosquito cam.

I love dragonflies. They can actually eat mosquitoes while still flying.

503 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:11:47pm

re: #496 darthstar

Okay...my lovely wife is pulling up...going to take a break and pay attention to her for a while.

Play nice, everyone.

Yes, Walter, I have BDS.

Good first step... "We admitted we were powerless over our BDS - that our lives had become unmanageable" ... you get a coin.

504 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:12:18pm

re: #502 Dark_Falcon
Hah!
Boy did I pick the wrong bug or what? Damn.

505 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:12:27pm

re: #498 marjoriemoon

This is the equal footing stuff I'm talking about. Meanwhile, they traipse around the Arab world because they know Israel will understand.

Exactamundo

506 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:13:03pm

re: #502 Dark_Falcon

Dragonflies have tried to lay eggs in the 'water' of my green truck's hood while I drove down the freeway feeder at 45 mph.

507 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:13:12pm

re: #494 Walter L. Newton

Ok... well, I didn't hear about any of his plans... is he away, visiting someone, what?

He went with his sister, IIRC, to visit his first grandbaby! It's a boy. He's going to be having a really great time, with family. And most of all, the baby!
He'll show up, when he's back home.
(And we'll have to listen to how the new kids is Einstein, all over again!) ;)

508 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:13:23pm
'Bush never went to Israel'
Um, yes he did.
Doesn't matter! He still sucks!


Too funny.

509 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:13:28pm

Re: various

.

510 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:13:50pm

re: #488 lawhawk

Obama could go to Israel 20 times, but it doesn't change the fact that he's hopelessly naive to think that Israel has a partner in peace with the Palestinians.

I think Bush understood that, at least on some level, deeper than Obama does now anyway. Maybe Obama will come to it. Bush championed the Hamas elections. That was weird, but I think the Israelis shrug that off as "politics as usual". Bush pretty much stayed out of how Sharon ran things. Although he did admonish/warn Sharon for fighting back against the Infitada.

511 sandbox  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:14:07pm

re: #488 lawhawk

IMO Obama is just not all that emotionally connected to Israel. Unlike Bush II and Bill Clinton who were pro-Israel by inclination. And unlike Bush I who also just viewed Israel/Palestine as a problem to be solved and Jimmy Carter who just plain doesn't like Israel.

512 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:14:31pm

re: #507 Floral Giraffe

He went with his sister, IIRC, to visit his first grandbaby! It's a boy. He's going to be having a really great time, with family. And most of all, the baby!
He'll show up, when he's back home.
(And we'll have to listen to how the new kids is Einstein, all over again!) ;)

I didn't know he was off visiting the new kid. Ok, I won't call him or leave any messages.

513 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:14:49pm

Evening lizards!

514 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:14:50pm

re: #456 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just adjusting the ballast.

Can't be listing while sauntering down the street can we?

515 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:15:13pm

re: #504 Rightwingconspirator

Hah!
Boy did I pick the wrong bug or what? Damn.

The dragonfly is magical to some. I have no idea why, but I have several friends who decorate their abodes with them to the point of craziness.

516 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:15:25pm

Celts are killing Cleveland

517 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:15:42pm

re: #493 Cato the Elder

Which distinguishes him from his predecessors how, exactly?

well you would think one of these days they would learn...

518 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:15:51pm

re: #510 marjoriemoon

I think Bush understood that, at least on some level, deeper than Obama does now anyway. Maybe Obama will come to it. Bush championed the Hamas elections. That was weird, but I think the Israelis shrug that off as "politics as usual". Bush pretty much stayed out of how Sharon ran things. Although he did admonish/warn Sharon for fighting back against the Infitada.

I wasn't saying the Bush approach was bad, just that he did what he had to do for appearances sake. Trying to strike a peace deal in the area is a waste of time at this point.

519 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:16:00pm

re: #507 Floral Giraffe

He went with his sister, IIRC, to visit his first grandbaby! It's a boy. He's going to be having a really great time, with family. And most of all, the baby!
He'll show up, when he's back home.
(And we'll have to listen to how the new kids is Einstein, all over again!) ;)

A Cowboy Einstein, yes.

520 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:16:24pm

re: #506 jaunte

Dragonflies have tried to lay eggs in the 'water' of my green truck's hood while I drove down the freeway feeder at 45 mph.

They lay their eggs where there are mosquito larvae. But only those eggs laid in water that lasts through the winter will grow to adulthood. Dragonflies need more than one summer to mature.

521 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:16:32pm

re: #516 The Shadow Do

Celts are killing Cleveland

I didn't even know there was any Celts in Cleveland? I thought they were mainly found in the British Isles and northern France.

522 lawhawk  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:16:35pm

re: #510 marjoriemoon

Bush thought that the Palestinians would vote for peace and peaceful elections and severely underestimated the corruption in Fatah and how Hamas used that as a wedge to win. But it also was a clarifying event because it showed just how Israel has no partner in peace.

523 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:16:37pm

Some sad local news here went national this afternoon.

Va. lacrosse player charged in athlete's slaying


CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — A senior on the Virginia men's lacrosse team was charged Monday with the slaying of a fellow student on the women's team, stunning students at the picturesque campus.

George Huguely, 22, of Chevy Chase, Md., was charged with first-degree murder in the death of 22-year-old Yeardley Love, also a senior, of Cockeysville, Md., Charlottesville Police Chief Timothy Longo said.

Longo said Love's roommate called police around 2:15 a.m. concerned that Love may have had an alcohol overdose, but police found her dead with obvious physical injuries.

"It was quickly apparent to them that this young lady was the victim of something far worse," Longo said.

The police chief said that Huguely and Love were in relationship at some point and that Huguely quickly became the focus. Longo would not detail the extent of Love's injuries, but said there did not appear to be any weapons used in the slaying.

524 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:16:47pm

re: #516 The Shadow Do

Celts are killing Cleveland

Up by 23..I was worried tonight....I'm really happy so far..GO CELTS!

525 Racer X  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:17:02pm

re: #516 The Shadow Do

Celts are killing Cleveland

Those bastards!

526 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:17:14pm

re: #411 darthstar

I didn't even know Cato was pregnant.
/

Why do you think he's so cranky of late?

527 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:17:17pm

re: #469 jaunte

More will be revealed, but gradually.

I just bought a copy, so your nagging advertising worked like a charm.

528 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:17:29pm

re: #454 Racer X

Whoa!

If it was mine I'd never leave the house.

You have surgical options...

Just saying...

529 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:17:47pm

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

We have a small pond in the back yard (Houston) so there are tons of them, and not as many mosquitoes as might be.

530 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:18:23pm

re: #397 jaunte

That reminds me, it's that time of the evening: a commercial message is required for the LGF Cookbook. Remember, Mother's Day is coming up, and the LGF cookbook is a gift she'll always remember. One feature: exotic beverage recipes.

Whoa!
Where did you get that?
How can I get it to post at the blog?
Why are you hiding that from me?
What's up with that?

531 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:18:32pm

re: #486 The Shadow Do

Arabs go nuts. That's why US Presidents don't go to Israel.

Yeah because you know the Pres going there to talk about peace plans is just something to become violent over... but remember, they really want peace deep down somewhere.

532 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:19:07pm

re: #527 b_sharp

Enjoy our updings per purchase rebate!

533 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:19:24pm

re: #528 Varek Raith

You have surgical options...

Just saying...

Somebody said that men should have Boobs..They appreciate them so much more than women

534 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:19:46pm

re: #530 reine.de.tout

I'm engaging in promotional activity; I'll send you the jpegs, too.

535 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:20:40pm

re: #534 jaunte

I'm engaging in promotional activity; I'll send you the jpegs, too.

GREAT promotional activity, IMO.
(and of course you know I was just kidding above)

536 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:20:58pm

re: #433 ausador

You ever seen someone who got a Rectal Prolapse while working out at the weight bench or doing squats? I have, and yes it happens to females too, not just males.

/Don't grunt and push too hard, you might not like what happens. ;)

I was attending an emergency case where a van had rolled over with four Tongan lads inside. For those unfamiliar with Pacific Islanders, they are large people. And by large, I mean nine out of ten Tongan boys make NFL linemen look like delicate flowers. Somehow four of them had crammed into this eight seater van, and it had rolled doing sixty on the highway.

The baby of the bunch, a mere 360 pounder or so (I'm converting in my head from metric), was in radiology to check for broken bones - all of their injuries were reasonably minor. However, this little guy was notable because he was lying, somewhat embarrassed, on his side on a groaning gurney, unable to move because of his injuries, with a 12-inch tail hanging off the end of him.

Now, it should be noted that Islander names abuse vowels far too much, and so rather than attempt to pronounce Filiauaeaua Mo'aoeualalua, or whatever, we shall henceforth know this fellow as Meat Tail Man. Meat Tail Man was not seriously injured, but upon removing his clothing (they aren't kidding about wearing clean underwear in case you're in an accident, folks), the appendage for which he was named quickly became something of note, especially to those of us of a less mature mindset.

Apparently this guy had had his prolapsed rectum for years. Like, since he was a kid. And it had gotten worse and worse, till by now every time he had a bowel movement, or coughed, or laughed, or whatever, 12 inches or so of his colon would pop out. At which point he would pop it back in. The shock of the accident had, naturally, caused him to let it all hang out, and his injuries had prevented him stuffing it back in before he got to the emergency room.

The attending radiologist, an old fashioned man, sent me off on a run to a nearby supermarket to buy 2 kilos of table sugar. Upon my return, he dumped a mountain of sugar over Meat Tail Man's meat tail, and we waited. The sugar sucked out all the fluid, leaving the meat tail shriveled and flaccid, at which point the doctor snipped it off, and admonished Meat Tail Man not to be such a stupid bastard in the future.

537 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:21:37pm

Good evening LGF.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it just a tad odd that the MSM keeps describing the Times Square shirt-changer as "white"; the perp as an "amateur" and a probable "lone wolf"; and various other terms which suggest that the bomber was not a jihadist? And is it just my imagination that, at the same time, MSM seems eager to discount repeated claims of responsibility by jihadist terror groups, particularly several from Pakistan?
I'm all for not rushing to judgement, but still, it smacks just a bit of PC to me.
Please tell me I'm wrong, and that MSM is not showing subtle signs of being in jihadi denial.

538 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:21:37pm

re: #497 Stanley Sea

OMG so totally reinforced my no kids decision. OMG

I found video of snork on ventrillo

539 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:22:05pm

re: #533 HoosierHoops

Somebody said that men should have Boobs..They appreciate them so much more than women

Just ask former corpsman.

540 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:22:28pm

re: #518 RogueOne

I wasn't saying the Bush approach was bad, just that he did what he had to do for appearances sake. Trying to strike a peace deal in the area is a waste of time at this point.

We will go through this motions and Israel will continue to work with whomever is available the best they can. There are more peaceful moments and more violent moments. Things are quiet now. However long that lasts is a blessing, what else can you do.

Not all the approaches were good. Clinton's offer was horrifying. I've forgotten all the stipulations of the Road Map. What does it say about Jerusalem? That's pretty much the standard now, except that no one can get the Arabs to comply with any of it.

541 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:22:28pm

re: #536 Renaissance_Man

Ow. There's a story that will give you an odd twinge.

542 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:22:36pm

re: #537 Spare O'Lake

Everything in the entire world must be about the war on Radical Islam.

FiXt.

543 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:22:41pm

re: #502 Dark_Falcon

I love dragonflies. They can actually eat mosquitoes while still flying.

I can eat mosquitoes, flies and more, while talking, running or cycling. Beat that you silly dragonflies.

544 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:23:23pm

re: #543 b_sharp

Bugs caught in the teeth, eh?

545 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:23:35pm

re: #536 Renaissance_Man

OK, that was a GREAT story.
LOL.
You'll find lots of folks here of a less than mature mindset.
So, keep 'em coming. As you're able.

546 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:23:46pm

re: #543 b_sharp

*added*

A dragonfly in the kisser would freakin' hurt tho.

547 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:23:50pm

re: #522 lawhawk

Bush thought that the Palestinians would vote for peace and peaceful elections and severely underestimated the corruption in Fatah and how Hamas used that as a wedge to win. But it also was a clarifying event because it showed just how Israel has no partner in peace.

Yes, maybe that was his defining moment. He didn't seem so hands on after, or maybe I'm having selective memory.

548 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:23:50pm

re: #536 Renaissance_Man

I don't know whether to applaud you or whack you for that highly entertaining tale filled with TMI.

549 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:24:07pm

re: #541 jaunte

Ow. There's a story that will give you an odd twinge.

Understatement of the year.

550 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:24:17pm

re: #508 Racer X

Too funny.

Is BDS still an active virus? Shouldn't it be little more than an ERV by now?

551 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:24:19pm

re: #536 Renaissance_Man

I was attending an emergency case where a van had rolled over with four Tongan lads inside. For those unfamiliar with Pacific Islanders, they are large people. And by large, I mean nine out of ten Tongan boys make NFL linemen look like delicate flowers. Somehow four of them had crammed into this eight seater van, and it had rolled doing sixty on the highway.

The baby of the bunch, a mere 360 pounder or so (I'm converting in my head from metric), was in radiology to check for broken bones - all of their injuries were reasonably minor. However, this little guy was notable because he was lying, somewhat embarrassed, on his side on a groaning gurney, unable to move because of his injuries, with a 12-inch tail hanging off the end of him.

Now, it should be noted that Islander names abuse vowels far too much, and so rather than attempt to pronounce Filiauaeaua Mo'aoeualalua, or whatever, we shall henceforth know this fellow as Meat Tail Man. Meat Tail Man was not seriously injured, but upon removing his clothing (they aren't kidding about wearing clean underwear in case you're in an accident, folks), the appendage for which he was named quickly became something of note, especially to those of us of a less mature mindset.

Apparently this guy had had his prolapsed rectum for years. Like, since he was a kid. And it had gotten worse and worse, till by now every time he had a bowel movement, or coughed, or laughed, or whatever, 12 inches or so of his colon would pop out. At which point he would pop it back in. The shock of the accident had, naturally, caused him to let it all hang out, and his injuries had prevented him stuffing it back in before he got to the emergency room.

The attending radiologist, an old fashioned man, sent me off on a run to a nearby supermarket to buy 2 kilos of table sugar. Upon my return, he dumped a mountain of sugar over Meat Tail Man's meat tail, and we waited. The sugar sucked out all the fluid, leaving the meat tail shriveled and flaccid, at which point the doctor snipped it off, and admonished Meat Tail Man not to be such a stupid bastard in the future.

Now that is the sort of story I am used to hearing from medical types.

My Brother has one about a man who needed a zucchini removed.

552 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:24:23pm

re: #537 Spare O'Lake

Good evening LGF.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it just a tad odd that the MSM keeps describing the Times Square shirt-changer as "white"; the perp as an "amateur" and a probable "lone wolf"; and various other terms which suggest that the bomber was not a jihadist? And is it just my imagination that, at the same time, MSM seems eager to discount repeated claims of responsibility by jihadist terror groups, particularly several from Pakistan?
I'm all for not rushing to judgement, but still, it smacks just a bit of PC to me.
Please tell me I'm wrong, and that MSM is not showing subtle signs of being in jihadi denial.

All I heard all day was the perp was white. Then I get home this evening and see this.


Authorities have identified the buyer of the SUV used in a failed Times Square terror attack and are seeking him as a potential suspect, two law enforcement officials said today.

The buyer is a man of Pakistani descent who recently traveled to Pakistan. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is at a sensitive stage.

The officials say the man is a Connecticut resident who paid cash weeks ago for the SUV parked in Times Square on Saturday and rigged with a crude propane-and-gasoline bomb.

Lets see how they spin that.

553 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:24:59pm

I had never even heard the term "Rectal Prolapse".

554 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:25:40pm

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

I didn't even know there was any Celts in Cleveland? I thought they were mainly found in the British Isles and northern France.

Didn't the Romans get rid of them?

555 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:25:49pm

re: #553 pingjockey

Look up 'pelvic organ prolapse', if you're feeling brave.

556 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:25:58pm

re: #540 marjoriemoon

We will go through this motions and Israel will continue to work with whomever is available the best they can. There are more peaceful moments and more violent moments. Things are quiet now. However long that lasts is a blessing, what else can you do.

Not all the approaches were good. Clinton's offer was horrifying. I've forgotten all the stipulations of the Road Map. What does it say about Jerusalem? That's pretty much the standard now, except that no one can get the Arabs to comply with any of it.

and Israel will continue to work with whomever is available the best they can.

India & China are both watching carefully... if we do not do the right thing they will replace us.

557 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:25:59pm

re: #551 LudwigVanQuixote

Now that is the sort of story I am used to hearing from medical types.

My Brother has one about a man who needed a zucchini removed.

Do gerbils like zucchinis?


558 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:26:10pm

re: #553 pingjockey

I had never even heard the term "Rectal Prolapse".

DO NOT LOOK IT UP!

559 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:26:36pm

re: #547 marjoriemoon

Yes, maybe that was his defining moment. He didn't seem so hands on after, or maybe I'm having selective memory.

No, he was indeed less involved. But there was nothing to talk about. There still isn't. And there won't be anything to talk about until the Palestinians are willing to negotiate in good faith.

560 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:26:50pm

re: #555 windsagio
After hearing that story and reading my own surgical report on my neck dissection, I think I'll pass!

561 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:27:06pm

re: #553 pingjockey

I had never even heard the term "Rectal Prolapse".

I have but only because I've read Transmetropolitan.

562 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:27:31pm

re: #558 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I most certainly will not.

563 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:27:47pm

re: #551 LudwigVanQuixote

Now that is the sort of story I am used to hearing from medical types.

My Brother has one about a man who needed a zucchini removed.

Well.
I worked as an HR Director.
And I have a story about a guy who would use the tubes from toilet paper rolls to - - pleasure himself in the bathrooms at work.

Some jobs just have a lot of fun stories.

564 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:27:52pm

Woa! Someone tossed a beer bottle on the floor. Guess they didn't appreciate the call.

565 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:29:20pm

re: #540 marjoriemoon

..... except that no one can get the Arabs to comply with any of it.

Hence the "waste of time" part.//

566 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:29:50pm

re: #542 windsagio

What took you so long to stick your head up your ass?

567 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:29:56pm

re: #564 The Shadow Do
Couple of the guys on ESPN radio were saying don't give Lebron the trophy yet. They said the Celtics would give the Cavs fits.

568 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:29:58pm

re: #556 brookly red

and Israel will continue to work with whomever is available the best they can.

India & China are both watching carefully... if we do not do the right thing they will replace us.

I'm not following you. Replace the U.S. in dealings with Israel?

569 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:30:07pm

re: #564 The Shadow Do

Woa! Someone tossed a beer bottle on the floor. Guess they didn't appreciate the call.

I hope he goes to jail!

570 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:30:09pm

re: #565 RogueOne

Hence the "waste of time" part.//

why // sarc it's true.

571 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:30:11pm

re: #566 Spare O'Lake

Had to make room, sweetie :D

572 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:30:22pm

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Well.
I worked as an HR Director.
And I have a story about a guy who would use the tubes from toilet paper rolls to - - pleasure himself in the bathrooms at work.

Some jobs just have a lot of fun stories.

Omg. hahaha

Sorry Reine, I know it was part of the job (to hear/read that stuff)

573 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:30:43pm

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

Lets see how they spin that.

They'll say he was just a "troubled South Asian Yout", driven to murder by America's insistence on killing terrorist leaders to defend itself.

574 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:30:52pm

re: #568 marjoriemoon

I'm not following you. Replace the U.S. in dealings with Israel?

yup.

575 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:31:02pm

re: #544 windsagio

Bugs caught in the teeth, eh?

They never get caught in the teeth. If they did, I could pick them out.

Extra protein, yum.

576 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:31:03pm

LVQ and I dinged each other.

Detente?

577 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:31:46pm

re: #569 HoosierHoops

I hope he goes to jail!

HS ball in Indiana would occasionally bring out the thrown pennies. Not nice.

578 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:31:55pm

re: #576 MandyManners

+ for "detente"

579 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:32:25pm

re: #573 Dark_Falcon

They'll say he was just a "troubled South Asian Yout", driven to murder by America's insistence on killing terrorist leaders to defend itself.

Source: Times Square bomb inquiry looks at Pakistani-American

580 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:32:41pm

re: #573 Dark_Falcon
Or the kid was emotionally undone by the ecological disaster in the Gulf of Mexico brought on by the Bushalliburton conglomerate.

581 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:33:01pm

re: #580 pingjockey

Weren't we all?

582 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:33:21pm

re: #565 RogueOne

Hence the "waste of time" part.//

But it's not really. It just looks like it because there's so little hope. But it doesn't mean you stop trying.

583 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:33:37pm

re: #580 pingjockey

Or the kid was emotionally undone by the ecological disaster in the Gulf of Mexico brought on by the Bushalliburton conglomerate.

OLIGARHY!!1

584 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:33:38pm

re: #551 LudwigVanQuixote

Now that is the sort of story I am used to hearing from medical types.

My Brother has one about a man who needed a zucchini removed.

Always good ones. I'll spread the stories out - one per thread should keep people from getting nauseous.

585 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:33:44pm

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Well.
I worked as an HR Director.
And I have a story about a guy who would use the tubes from toilet paper rolls to - - pleasure himself in the bathrooms at work.

Some jobs just have a lot of fun stories.

Ohh.. the number of how did you get that in there stories medical folks have is astonishing. I have seen them sit and compete for the best one.

The most intense one I heard was a guy wanted to make a dildo from a cast of the inside of his rectum (like a mold) so he had his lover pour fast dry concrete inside of him.

The concrete hardened. He needed surgery.

586 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:33:55pm

re: #573 Dark_Falcon

They'll say he was just a "troubled South Asian Yout", driven to murder by America's insistence on killing terrorist leaders to defend itself.

We need to be careful what we say. AM radio and cable news are obviously at fault. I'm scared. It's never been as bad as this. LIBERTARIANS!

I know I'm missing one of the meme's in there but you get the point.

587 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:33:56pm

re: #576 MandyManners

LVQ and I dinged each other.

Detente?

sounds good to me.

588 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:34:13pm

re: #574 brookly red

yup.

I don't think that will happen. American Jews wouldn't let that happen.

589 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:34:31pm

re: #573 Dark_Falcon

They'll say he was just a "troubled South Asian Yout", driven to murder by America's insistence on killing terrorist leaders to defend itself.

...and religion played no part in the bomb attempt. They will say he had a hard childhood and was abused by his father. He is now bi-polar and not responsible for his actions. They will find him not guilty and give him a place to live, free health care, and money for food for the rest of his life.

590 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:34:37pm

re: #581 windsagio
Umm....No! I'm actually getting a kick out of the "they" say Obama hasn't acted quick enough in this hour of crisis. Sounds strangley familiar.

591 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:34:47pm

re: #582 marjoriemoon

But it's not really. It just looks like it because there's so little hope. But it doesn't mean you stop trying.

Yeah it does. Continually banging your head against a wall is unhealthy.

592 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:35:00pm

re: #576 MandyManners

LVQ and I dinged each other.

Detente?

Feels weird, doesn't it?

593 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:35:03pm

re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote

It's a plus when disagreement on one (or a series of) subject(s) doesn't automatically mean hate on a totally different subject (s).

Its one of the best things of LGF (when it works).

594 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:35:32pm

re: #590 pingjockey

lol don't start :P

595 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:36:13pm

re: #591 RogueOne

Yeah it does. Continually banging your head against a wall is unhealthy.

They don't have a lot of choice. Sometimes wall bang you.

596 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:36:20pm

re: #533 HoosierHoops

Somebody said that men should have Boobs..They appreciate them so much more than women

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

Just for those of you who REALLY appreciate boobs!

597 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:36:34pm

re: #577 The Shadow Do

HS ball in Indiana would occasionally bring out the thrown pennies. Not nice.

The ugliest game I ever played in was against Oakland Technical high School.
There were fights when we got off the bus and fights during the game...

598 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:36:53pm

re: #594 windsagio
Heh. It just drives me nuts. The feds can't do certain things at the state level until the feds get a for real written letter requesting help from the state governor.

599 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:37:54pm

Cleveland has cut the lead from 21 to 13.

600 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:38:19pm

re: #598 pingjockey

Pff, keep going and I'll have to start making fun of Yakima.

601 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:39:22pm

re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh.. the number of how did you get that in there stories medical folks have is astonishing. I have seen them sit and compete for the best one.

The most intense one I heard was a guy wanted to make a dildo from a cast of the inside of his rectum (like a mold) so he had his lover pour fast dry concrete inside of him.

The concrete hardened. He needed surgery.

That is rather unorthodox.

602 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:39:25pm

re: #599 pingjockey

Cleveland has cut the lead from 21 to 13.

Vancouver is leading Chicago 2-1 after 2 periods.

603 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:39:39pm

re: #597 HoosierHoops

The ugliest game I ever played in was against Oakland Technical high School.
There were fights when we got off the bus and fights during the game...

Fights were a given when we played our arch rival, you know the big school...Columbia City! Of course we hit on their girls which didn't help.

604 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:39:48pm

re: #600 windsagio
Go right ahead. I live up by Wenatchee! Yakima is having a very rough time. For its size they seem to be right in the front lines of the Mexican drug cartel/gang violence.

605 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:40:05pm

re: #584 Renaissance_Man

Always good ones. I'll spread the stories out - one per thread should keep people from getting nauseous.

Ohh give me your worst...

The worst I ever heard from the brother and sister in law (both MDs) was that on a rotation, they had a patient come in whose bottom had been infected. I forget the name of the condition, but under her skin in the fatty layer, the entire buttocks was filled with pus.

The poor woman's bottom was literally one giant zit.

My brother and sister in law had to spend something like an hour draining and flushing it out.

Of course this was anaerobic bacteria, so the smell, which my brother described as something so terrible that he will never forget it (at which point he and his wife debated if it was worse than the stench of amoebic dysentery) ended up clearing the ER.

The other case was a morbily obese woman who was about 5'4 and over 500 lbs. She had used a feminine hygiene product and lost it.

It took for orderlys to hold bits of her back sufficiently for the brother to go in there and find it.

606 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:40:12pm

re: #335 LudwigVanQuixote

The people of Gaza, as pointed out repeatedly, democratically elected the government responsible for the kidnapping. Hamas ran on a we will murder more Jews than Fatah campaign - just look at their speeches, this is real and not hyperbole - and they were elected.

The "innocent" people of Gaza voted for more hostility - democratically and in a landslide. Shutting off the water and power is already a mercy. What would America do to a regime that constantly tried to kidnap Americans, bragged about it, launched rocket attacks into our soil, bragged about it, sent suicide bombers, bragged about it, and consistently talked of destroying us?

Would we use stop gap measures?

We would flatten them even if they were a dictatorship and the people had not voted for the regime. We would not try coercing them with water and power that we would then turn back on first.

Ludwig, I'm back. A couple of things - Hamas did won "in a landslide", in the sense that it had far more votes than Fatah, but it also had just 43% of the total popular vote. And I agree that many nations, including the U.S., would have been far harsher to the Palestinians than Israel has been. I just don't think that's a good thing.

Take the less loaded case of native Americans tribes. It's a pretty imperfect parallel, but still. They were not democratic. I'm not sure what kind of rhetoric they used, but I'm sure that speeches eradicating all American settlers must have come up quite often during war time. And they submitted prisoners and enemy combatants to quite cruel rituals, such as live scalping.

But there's more or less a consensus that native Americans were often treated unfairly.

607 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:40:16pm

re: #602 NJDhockeyfan
I need more tvs!

608 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:40:26pm

re: #589 NJDhockeyfan

...and religion played no part in the bomb attempt. They will say he had a hard childhood and was abused by his father. He is now bi-polar and not responsible for his actions. They will find him not guilty and give him a place to live, free health care, and money for food for the rest of his life A New York jury will ignore their whining, find him guilty, and he'll spend the rest of his life in a cell in Attica.

fixed.

609 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:40:49pm

re: #605 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF

ORDERLIES!

610 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:40:55pm

re: #604 pingjockey

I just htink of a friend who lived there in the '80s, 3 crackhouses on his block.

611 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:41:20pm

re: #608 Dark_Falcon

fixed.

Well said, you expect mercy from New Yorkers?

612 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:41:23pm

re: #602 NJDhockeyfan

Vancouver is leading Chicago 2-1 after 2 periods.

Come on Hawks. Make the comback! This Year is Next Year!

613 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:41:24pm

re: #533 HoosierHoops

Somebody said that men should have Boobs..They appreciate them so much more than women

There are few things less desireable that hairy boobs.

614 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:41:54pm

re: #572 Stanley Sea

Omg. hahaha

Sorry Reine, I know it was part of the job (to hear/read that stuff)

And then to go talk to the employees and to convince them to stop doing - whatever.

615 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:42:36pm

re: #614 reine.de.tout

And then to go talk to the employees and to convince them to stop doing - whatever.

Tell some more? Please?

616 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:42:37pm

re: #608 Dark_Falcon

fixed.

I like your ending better. May he live the rest of his life as the wife to a group of lifers.

617 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:42:47pm

re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh.. the number of how did you get that in there stories medical folks have is astonishing. I have seen them sit and compete for the best one.

The most intense one I heard was a guy wanted to make a dildo from a cast of the inside of his rectum (like a mold) so he had his lover pour fast dry concrete inside of him.

The concrete hardened. He needed surgery.

OMG.
Are people stupid or what?

618 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:42:51pm

re: #610 windsagio
It is sad. So far, up here in the Wenatchee Valley area we've escaped
what has happened down there.

619 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:43:06pm

re: #613 Spare O'Lake

There are few things less desireable that hairy boobs.

Hairy backs.

620 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:43:13pm

re: #614 reine.de.tout

That, in imagination, is a funny scene.
"We've noticed a small problem with the toilet tissue tubes."

621 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:43:41pm

re: #620 jaunte

That, in imagination, is a funny scene.
"We've noticed a small problem with the toilet tissue tubes."

But were they full or paper or empty?

622 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:43:43pm

re: #617 reine.de.tout
Why do you think there are warnings on blow dryers?!

623 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:43:44pm

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

Come on Hawks. Make the com[e]back! This Year is Next Year!

Forget about aboot it.

624 Jadespring  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:43:52pm

re: #602 NJDhockeyfan

Vancouver is leading Chicago 2-1 after 2 periods.

Woo!

625 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:44:15pm

re: #611 jamesfirecat

Well said, you expect mercy from New Yorkers?

/last I checked in Websters, sympathy is somewhere between shit & syphilis...

626 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:44:19pm

re: #621 Floral Giraffe

But were they full or paper or empty?

Was he an over-the-top or under-the-bottom guy?

627 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:44:23pm

re: #617 reine.de.tout

OMG.
Are people stupid or what?

Do you really need that answered?

628 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:44:23pm

re: #619 NJDhockeyfan

Hairy backs.

Hairy palms.

629 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:44:27pm

re: #606 Nimed

Ludwig, I'm back. A couple of things - Hamas did won "in a landslide", in the sense that it had far more votes than Fatah, but it also had just 43% of the total popular vote. And I agree that many nations, including the U.S., would have been far harsher to the Palestinians than Israel has been. I just don't think that's a good thing.

Take the less loaded case of native Americans tribes. It's a pretty imperfect parallel, but still. They were not democratic. I'm not sure what kind of rhetoric they used, but I'm sure that speeches eradicating all American settlers must have come up quite often during war time. And they submitted prisoners and enemy combatants to quite cruel rituals, such as live scalping.

But there's more or less a consensus that native Americans were often treated unfairly.

Apples and oranges in an utterly false comparison.

1. The Israelis are not trying to wipe out the Palestinians. The US wiped out many Native American peoples completely.

2. The Native American peoples were numerous and diverse. You can not lump them into one group or political entity.

3. Many Native Americans tried to negotiate in good faith only to have America ignore and renounce treaties. Remember how Oklahoma was supposed to be an Indian reserve? Israel keeps its treaties, while the Palis have yet to show any signs of even wanting one.

4. The Native Americans as a whole were far more civilized.

630 Jadespring  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:44:29pm

re: #617 reine.de.tout

OMG.
Are people stupid or what?

Yes.

631 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:44:49pm

oops, SF4 calling; don't take any wooden nickels!

632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:45:09pm

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh and for non Tribe member lizards, ra means evil in Hebrew.

How Egyptian.

633 pingjockey  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:45:39pm

Good nite folks.

634 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:45:46pm

re: #605 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh give me your worst...

The worst I ever heard from the brother and sister in law (both MDs) was that on a rotation, they had a patient come in whose bottom had been infected. I forget the name of the condition, but under her skin in the fatty layer, the entire buttocks was filled with pus.

The poor woman's bottom was literally one giant zit.

My brother and sister in law had to spend something like an hour draining and flushing it out.

Of course this was anaerobic bacteria, so the smell, which my brother described as something so terrible that he will never forget it (at which point he and his wife debated if it was worse than the stench of amoebic dysentery) ended up clearing the ER.

The other case was a morbily obese woman who was about 5'4 and over 500 lbs. She had used a feminine hygiene product and lost it.

It took for orderlys to hold bits of her back sufficiently for the brother to go in there and find it.

Ok, the tuna salad I just had is now trying to escape my stomach.

Do you remember what caused the infection?

635 brookly red  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:46:16pm

re: #632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How Egyptian.

mary means shit in Farsi... funny these things.

636 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:47:09pm

re: #634 Nimed

Ok, the tuna salad I just had is now trying to escape my stomach.

Do you remember what caused the infection?

We're gonna gross each other out, if this keeps up...

637 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:47:12pm

Freetoken, you didn't think that was funny? How's this, Rachel Maddow puts one a revisionist history lesson of McVeigh and some crazy asshat fills his SUV up with cow shit and firecrackers. How much more of a direct connection do you need man? Do I have to draw you pictures? I'm afraid for the union, MSNBC is pushing crazies to blow shit up, literally. It's never been this bad.

638 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:47:37pm

re: #608 Dark_Falcon

A New York jury will ignore their whining, find him guilty, and he'll spend the rest of his life in a cell in Attica.

Apropos of nothing...I saw an interview with Al Pacino the other day and he was talking about some of his films. During Dog-Day Afternoon, when they were filming the crowd scenes, he said he was just watching all the people and shouted "Attica!" once for the hell of it, but when the crowd responded, he repeated it a few times...and it was an ad lib, not in the script, and he thought he was going to get into trouble for doing it with the director...obviously, they liked it and it's one of the most famous scenes from his film career.

Also speaking of Attica, when I started my first IT job back in 98, I went to Boston where the company was based to meet my co-workers. While at lunch, one gal mentioned she went to school in Ithaca. I shouted, "Ithaca! Ithaca!", after which she said, "Ithaca, not Attica." You never get a second chance to make a first impression. :)

639 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:49:19pm

re: #629 LudwigVanQuixote

Apples and oranges in an utterly false comparison.

1. The Israelis are not trying to wipe out the Palestinians. The US wiped out many Native American peoples completely [and with intent].

2. The Native American peoples were numerous and diverse. You can not lump them into one group or political entity.

3. Many Native Americans tried to negotiate in good faith only to have America ignore and renounce treaties. Remember how Oklahoma was supposed to be an Indian reserve? Israel keeps its treaties, while the Palis have yet to show any signs of even wanting one.

4. The Native Americans as a whole were far more civilized.

They also took their children and re-educated them into Christianity.

Good post.

640 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:49:26pm

re: #629 LudwigVanQuixote


4. The Native Americans as a whole were far more civilized.


Now that's what I call having an open mind.
/

641 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:51:41pm

re: #637 RogueOne

Freetoken, you didn't think that was funny? How's this, Rachel Maddow puts one a revisionist history lesson of McVeigh and some crazy asshat fills his SUV up with cow shit and firecrackers. How much more of a direct connection do you need man? Do I have to draw you pictures? I'm afraid for the union, MSNBC is pushing crazies to blow shit up, literally. It's never been this bad.

Had your story contained the tiniest bit of truth in it, and was commonplace, it would be more convincing.

642 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:51:56pm

re: #578 windsagio

+ for "detente"

I'm not as young as I look.

643 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:51:59pm

re: #617 reine.de.tout

OMG.
Are people stupid or what?

Yes they are.

It has happened more than once. Here is the case study:

[Link: www.well.com...]

[Link: www.well.com...]

[Link: allnurses.com...]

So it was kinda a wacky fun day at the med surge area yesterday...and there was this article in our newspaper about a man who put in like 12 long nails by nail gun in his head...then later on (like weeks) came into an ER with complaints of constant head ache. Go figure that ER got a great x-ray! LOL!

So we were talking to the docs around the nurses desk and they were being kinda silly and brining up the oddest things they have seen in patients...and it was amazing and funny!!!!!

One doc said during his ER rotation a man was very drunk and his buddies bet he couldn't put a big old Japanese Glass float (the green glass orbs you can find at the beach) up his rectum. Now this wasn't the small ones..this was one that was three times that size...a little smaller than a bowling ball! Guess it took him 4 hours and he did it! Well...okay now how does one remove that once it is stuck in the pelvis??? UHGGGGGG.

SO it took a team of 5 docs to think about it...and it was decided after many different ideas...the float must be broken up and removed very carefully. It was done with little damage to the area! Good job docs!

Then that same doc asked us nurses "what is the most popular item found up a rectum"...we guessed some items and we were all wrong...He told us it was shot glasses!?!?!? He said that even this hospital has a protocol for the removal! OMGosh!!!! Guess they use plaster to fill the glass, insert a long probe into the plaster..wait for it to solidify..and lube, patience, and lots of pain meds it can be pulled out!

Another doc talked about a man who ate poker chips and was all filled up and blocked, and was wondering why he had such bad constipation! That was a good surgery there!

644 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:52:17pm

re: #632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How Egyptian.

How appropriate given where we were slaves.

645 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:52:30pm

Anyone been watching America: The Story of Us? I just watched last night's show. Pretty awesome so far.

646 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:52:37pm

re: #641 b_sharp

You're just afraid to connect the dots.

647 Digital Display  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:52:48pm

CELTIC WIN!
I'm going to sleep so well tonight.. Goodnight dear Lizards!

648 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:53:02pm

re: #615 Floral Giraffe

Tell some more? Please?

re: #615 Floral Giraffe

Tell some more? Please?

check yer mail.

649 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:53:20pm

re: #587 LudwigVanQuixote

sounds good to me.

To me as well. We might have radically divergent opinions on many issues but, I believe we both are firm supporters of the State of Israel.

650 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:54:15pm

re: #592 NJDhockeyfan

Feels weird, doesn't it?

I don't know.

I still am a Conservative.

651 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:54:17pm

re: #643 LudwigVanQuixote

Why is it always guys?

652 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:54:19pm

re: #640 darthstar

re: #629 LudwigVanQuixote


4. The Native Americans as a whole were far more civilized.


Now that's what I call having an open mind.
/

Some were, some weren't. They weren't monolithic.

653 webevintage  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:54:28pm

re: #645 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone been watching America: The Story of Us? I just watched last night's show. Pretty awesome so far.

We just finished watching the first episode.
I agree, awesome.

Over the years we have watched so many history docs and we stilled learned a few new things about the Revolution.

654 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:54:34pm

re: #649 MandyManners

To me as well. We might have radically divergent opinions on many issues but, I believe we both are firm supporters of the State of Israel.

Without doubt.

655 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:54:39pm

re: #647 HoosierHoops

CELTIC WIN!
I'm going to sleep so well tonight..

Damn straight.

656 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:55:20pm

There is something disturbing about the US delegation engineering and staging a walkout at the UN.
It just seems so...third world.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

657 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:55:31pm

re: #651 reine.de.tout

Why is it always guys?

1. It isn't. The most entertaining case like that my sister had was an 86 year old woman who put her dentures up there.

658 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:55:32pm

re: #645 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone been watching America: The Story of Us? I just watched last night's show. Pretty awesome so far.

Yeah, it was great. Cheryl Crowe and Al Sharpton giving us their historical perspectives.

659 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:55:39pm

re: #629 LudwigVanQuixote


4. The Native Americans as a whole were far more civilized.

Well, except maybe for the Mayans.

660 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:55:48pm

re: #643 LudwigVanQuixote

OMG. Words fail me.

661 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:56:27pm

Since the slugs are out I experimented with the penny thing. I found a slug and surrounded him with about 8 pennies. He tried like hell to find a way out. He eventually slimed his way over a penny and got out (after which I killed him) but it was definitely not his first choice. They can crawl over a penny but they'd rather not.
/the title to my house arrived in the mail today. Hooray!

662 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:56:28pm

re: #651 reine.de.tout

Why is it always guys?

Here, hold my beer. Watch this!

663 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:56:45pm

re: #606 Nimed

Ludwig, I'm back. A couple of things - Hamas did won "in a landslide", in the sense that it had far more votes than Fatah, but it also had just 43% of the total popular vote. And I agree that many nations, including the U.S., would have been far harsher to the Palestinians than Israel has been. I just don't think that's a good thing.

Take the less loaded case of native Americans tribes. It's a pretty imperfect parallel, but still. They were not democratic. I'm not sure what kind of rhetoric they used, but I'm sure that speeches eradicating all American settlers must have come up quite often during war time. And they submitted prisoners and enemy combatants to quite cruel rituals, such as live scalping.

But there's more or less a consensus that native Americans were often treated unfairly.

What's next? You're gonna' claim that Hamas is a PROVIDER OF SOCIAL SERVICES to the Jordyptians?

664 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:56:56pm

re: #646 RogueOne

You're just afraid to connect the dots.

I'm not afraid of dots or connections. I am afraid of spiders.

665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:57:12pm

re: #644 LudwigVanQuixote

How appropriate given where we were slaves.

Hey! My entire knowledge of Ra is based completely on crossword puzzles.

Being a Protestant is fairly easy, dontcha know.

666 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:57:16pm

re: #643 LudwigVanQuixote

Eel.

667 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:57:18pm

re: #660 Floral Giraffe

OMG. Words fail me.

You have to laugh really.

668 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:57:29pm

re: #654 LudwigVanQuixote

Without doubt.

Thank you.

669 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:57:37pm

re: #664 b_sharp

I'm not afraid of dots or connections. I am afraid of spiders.

As long as we're afraid, that's the important thing.

670 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:58:05pm

re: #666 Alouette

Eel.

Yeah when they die, or it was part of an assault, it isn't as funny...

671 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:58:09pm

re: #658 The Shadow Do

Yeah, it was great. Cheryl Crowe and Al Sharpton giving us their historical perspectives.

I was shaking my head when they popped in. The rest of the show is great though.

672 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:58:09pm

re: #659 Alouette

Well, except maybe for the Mayans.

I thought it was the Aztec who did the beating-heart thing.

673 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:58:22pm

re: #662 Floral Giraffe

Here, hold my beer. Watch this!

Female equivalent?

Oh, okay. I don't like the way condoms feel either.

674 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:58:50pm

re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh.. the number of how did you get that in there stories medical folks have is astonishing. I have seen them sit and compete for the best one.

The most intense one I heard was a guy wanted to make a dildo from a cast of the inside of his rectum (like a mold) so he had his lover pour fast dry concrete inside of him.

The concrete hardened. He needed surgery.

Yesterday I was watching a show, ER or something - anyhow - a prisoner was brought into the ER of this hospital, there for the THIRD time for the same thing - he had tied a piece of dental floss to a piece of metal and had inserted the metal into his urethra. The string was there to convince the doc he really had done this. He wanted a couple of days out of prison, thought he'd get a few days' stay in the hospital. Unfortunately, I missed the end of that particular episode so I can't tell you how it turned out.
But it was unbelievable to me.

675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:59:06pm

re: #658 The Shadow Do

Yeah, it was great. Cheryl Crowe and Al Sharpton giving us their historical perspectives.

Relax. Famous people, nothing better to do.

676 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:59:12pm

re: #642 MandyManners

I'm not as young as I look.

I once told my mother in law that she was only as old as she felt...and that's when the fight started.

677 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:59:13pm

re: #657 LudwigVanQuixote

1. It isn't. The most entertaining case like that my sister had was an 86 year old woman who put her dentures up there.

For an 86 year old, it would be a better hiding place than a purse.

678 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:59:36pm

re: #657 LudwigVanQuixote

1. It isn't. The most entertaining case like that my sister had was an 86 year old woman who put her dentures up there.

OMG.
I won't even ask why.
There can be no rational answer to that.

679 RogueOne  Mon, May 3, 2010 7:59:38pm

re: #677 b_sharp

For an 86 year old, it would be a better hiding place than a purse.

Doubt it. A purse snaps shut.

680 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:00:09pm

re: #656 Spare O'Lake

There is something disturbing about the US delegation engineering and staging a walkout at the UN.
It just seems so...third world.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Doesn't bother me at all. It showed Short Shit the disrespect he so richly deserves.

681 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:00:19pm

re: #671 NJDhockeyfan

I was shaking my head when they popped in. The rest of the show is great though.

Some of their stuff regarding the Revolution was wrong. That bothered me more than Cheryl Crowe expounding on social justice.

682 webevintage  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:00:21pm

re: #658 The Shadow Do

Yeah, it was great. Cheryl Crowe and Al Sharpton giving us their historical perspectives.

I know.
And Gingrich...ugh.

But besides that it was really great.

683 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:00:24pm

re: #678 reine.de.tout

Then, no one would want to steal them?

684 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:00:38pm

re: #584 Renaissance_Man

Always good ones. I'll spread the stories out - one per thread should keep people from getting nauseous.

Your stories remind me of the show "Doctor In The House."

685 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:00:43pm

Swamprat, if you're here, I did the math on your tale of alcohol consumption aboard the U.S.S. Constitution on her cruise in 1798-99, and came to the conclusion that it's bunk.

You can read why here.

686 webevintage  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:01:01pm

re: #681 The Shadow Do

Some of their stuff regarding the Revolution was wrong. That bothered me more than Cheryl Crowe expounding on social justice.

Like what?

687 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:01:21pm

re: #672 MandyManners

I thought it was the Aztec who did the beating-heart thing.

Both the Aztec and Mayan nations did it.

688 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:01:27pm

re: #675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Relax. Famous people, nothing better to do.

I learned something new tonight. The Hubble Telescope is running with whale oil.

689 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:01:28pm

re: #676 Spare O'Lake

I once told my mother in law that she was only as old as she felt...and that's when the fight started.

*cringe*

690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:01:36pm

re: #657 LudwigVanQuixote

1. It isn't. The most entertaining case like that my sister had was an 86 year old woman who put her dentures up there.

Okay. Just got here. Not sure what "up there" means.

Not entirely sure I want to know what "up there" means.

691 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:02:00pm

re: #683 jaunte

Then, no one would want to steal them?

Wow.
Well, yeah, you have a point!
My dad's dentures disappeared at the nursing home where was. They didn't fit him anymore anyhow, but who would want them?

692 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:02:37pm

re: #687 Dark_Falcon

Both the Aztec and Mayan nations did it.

MULTI-CULTI RULES!!!

693 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:02:52pm

re: #690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. Just got here. Not sure what "up there" means.

Not entirely sure I want to know what "up there" means.

You don't.
Not if you want to, you know, have some pie later.

694 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:03:19pm

re: #691 reine.de.tout

Wow.
Well, yeah, you have a point!
My dad's dentures disappeared at the nursing home where was. They didn't fit him anymore anyhow, but who would want them?

Kleptomaniacs?

695 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:03:27pm

re: #679 RogueOne

Doubt it. A purse snaps shut.

That may be true, but does it have teeth?

696 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:03:35pm

re: #672 MandyManners

I thought it was the Aztec who did the beating-heart thing.

I think the Aztec and the Mayans had genocidal wars with each other to capture enough prisoners to do the open chest thing. The Aztecs conquered the Mayans (I think) but continued their "proud" heritage.

697 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:03:55pm

re: #681 The Shadow Do

Some of their stuff regarding the Revolution was wrong. That bothered me more than Cheryl Crowe expounding on social justice.

Really? They are sending copied of that show to schools for teaching aids. The president was on the first show as well. If they are rewriting history let us know.

698 swamprat  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:04:53pm

re: #629 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #640 darthstar

Ok. There will be those who go for one side or another when it comes to Indians.
There is a small paper in a nearby town that publishes local history, and after reading several articles about this massacre, and that atrocity, I can say, knowledgeably;
There were no good guys in this dispute.
You can read of one atrocity, then you find out why they did it, then you find out why that one happened. It never ends.
And many of the famous "shootouts" were rival gangs vying for stolen cattle to be sold to the army to feed the Indians that were on reservations because we drove the buffalo to extinction to starve them out. Don't think that having a lawman on one side of a dispute or another carried any moral bearing. It just meant another guy shooting.

699 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:05:07pm

re: #696 Alouette

I think the Aztec and the Mayans had genocidal wars with each other to capture enough prisoners to do the open chest thing. The Aztecs conquered the Mayans (I think) but continued their "proud" heritage.

A quote about man's inhumanity to man is ricocheting around my brain right now.

700 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #681 The Shadow Do

Some of their stuff regarding the Revolution was wrong. That bothered me more than Cheryl Crowe expounding on social justice.

I don't believe Ms. Crowe's notions of "social justice" are any more well thought out than her notion of "saving the planet" by using just one square of toilet paper after taking a dump.

701 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:05:36pm

re: #674 reine.de.tout

Yesterday I was watching a show, ER or something - anyhow - a prisoner was brought into the ER of this hospital, there for the THIRD time for the same thing - he had tied a piece of dental floss to a piece of metal and had inserted the metal into his urethra. The string was there to convince the doc he really had done this. He wanted a couple of days out of prison, thought he'd get a few days' stay in the hospital. Unfortunately, I missed the end of that particular episode so I can't tell you how it turned out.
But it was unbelievable to me.

My brother told me of a case where a fellow who worked in a machine shop liked to use a belt sander - just to brush close to, to masturbate.

He got a little too close and well... He ended up catching and tearing off his member.

Now this is bad enough, only he somehow found the member and tried to stitch it back on - rather than go to the hospital - with steel wire. Of course he was found and taken in because of blood loss. He ended up losing the part.

702 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:05:41pm

Chicago scores a shorthanded goal!

Game tied 2-2.

703 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:06:23pm

re: #690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. Just got here. Not sure what "up there" means.

Not entirely sure I want to know what "up there" means.

bottom. I am not going to discuss the other up there, because those cases that go into hospital are usually involuntary.

704 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:07:01pm

re: #700 Alouette

I don't believe Ms. Crowe's notions of "social justice" are any more well thought out than her notion of "saving the planet" by using just one square of toilet paper after taking a dump.

I bet she has a foul smelling ass, or very messy hands, or both.

705 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:07:33pm

re: #682 webevintage

I know.
And Gingrich...ugh.

But besides that it was really great.

I agree though Gingrich at least has taken a stab at history given his Civil War series of books which I found to be really good.

706 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:07:45pm

re: #674 reine.de.tout

Yesterday I was watching a show, ER or something - anyhow - a prisoner was brought into the ER of this hospital, there for the THIRD time for the same thing - he had tied a piece of dental floss to a piece of metal and had inserted the metal into his urethra. The string was there to convince the doc he really had done this. He wanted a couple of days out of prison, thought he'd get a few days' stay in the hospital. Unfortunately, I missed the end of that particular episode so I can't tell you how it turned out.
But it was unbelievable to me.

Okay, I'll violate the one per thread thing I just said because this is such a natural followup. This one comes from my father, who is a country doc in a smallish town, and thus does all the hospital stuff to.

On arriving at the hospital, the nurses were all in giggles over the latest patient, and it wasn't hard to see why. This gentleman had presented with a length of piano wire up his urethra, which he couldn't get out. This seemed odd. What seemed odder was his story, which was that he'd come home, been hit over the head, and woken up with it in there.

Something didn't quite sit right (other than the patient himself). Upon further questioning, the truth came out, although the wire sadly did not. Apparently he had discovered that by sliding this wire up his urethra and attaching it to electrodes, he could give himself small electric shocks and thus stimulate himself. As is a young man's wont, he had pushed the envelope once too often, and shocked himself so powerfully that he jumped and twitched, and the wire had gone up too far and hooked on his bladder.

Eventually, after some effort and catheterisation, it came out. And let that be a lesson to young men in the audience: electricity and penises do not mix. No matter what your friends say.

707 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:07:51pm

re: #629 LudwigVanQuixote

Apples and oranges in an utterly false comparison.

1. The Israelis are not trying to wipe out the Palestinians. The US wiped out many Native American peoples completely.

No disagreement here, there's just no comparison.

2. The Native American peoples were numerous and diverse. You can not lump them into one group or political entity.

That is a difference. But I fail to see how it's relevant for our discussion. We can discuss isolated tribes, if you prefer.

3. Many Native Americans tried to negotiate in good faith only to have America ignore and renounce treaties. Remember how Oklahoma was supposed to be an Indian reserve? Israel keeps its treaties, while the Palis have yet to show any signs of even wanting one.

Native American tribes also broke treaties. And, while there's no official treaty, Israel does build settlements in land that was not annexed (at least officially) in the Six Day War, right?

4. The Native Americans as a whole were far more civilized.

I don't really know what to say to this. We don't agree, but this is besides the point, unless you think that less civilized people deserve worse treatment.

708 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:07:58pm

re: #678 reine.de.tout

OMG.
I won't even ask why.
There can be no rational answer to that.

Usually it is autoerotica.

709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:08:35pm

re: #701 LudwigVanQuixote

Talk about "going off half cocked".

710 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:08:42pm

re: #704 NJDhockeyfan

I bet she has a foul smelling ass, or very messy hands, or both.

She can't spare a square.

711 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:09:06pm

re: #701 LudwigVanQuixote

My brother told me of a case where a fellow who worked in a machine shop liked to use a belt sander - just to brush close to, to masturbate.

He got a little too close and well... He ended up catching and tearing off his member.

Now this is bad enough, only he somehow found the member and tried to stitch it back on - rather than go to the hospital - with steel wire. Of course he was found and taken in because of blood loss. He ended up losing the part.

Good grief!
I guess medical folks see everything under the sun, and then some.

712 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:09:28pm

re: #663 MandyManners

What's next? You're gonna' claim that Hamas is a PROVIDER OF SOCIAL SERVICES to the Jordyptians?

I'm sure there's a point to your comment...

713 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:09:28pm

re: #702 NJDhockeyfan

Chicago scores a shorthanded goal!

Game tied 2-2.

Boo. Boo.

714 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:09:35pm

re: #537 Spare O'Lake

Yes, they are way ahead of reality. Speculation at best craven ratings baiting at worst.

715 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:09:50pm

re: #708 LudwigVanQuixote

Usually it is autoerotica.

Like I wanna' give my car an orgasm.

Oh, wait.

716 swamprat  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:09:59pm

re: #685 Cato the Elder


Yeah, I wondered about that. It was one of those email things.

717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:10:08pm

re: #710 marjoriemoon

She can't spare a square.

Perfect Seinfeld placement!

718 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:10:08pm

re: #704 NJDhockeyfan

TMI

719 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:10:22pm

re: #707 Nimed

I don't really know what to say to this. We don't agree, but this is besides the point, unless you think that less civilized people deserve worse treatment.

If by "less civilized" you mean people who send young men, women, and children strapped with explosives to blow up their neighbors in crowded Jerusalem cafeterias, I would have to say that's a fair assumption.

720 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:10:31pm

re: #706 Renaissance_Man

I'm just curious as to how one happens to find these things out to begin with.
I mean, really.
I'm ROFL right now, and shouldn't be, I suppose.
I am so going to hell . . .

721 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:10:34pm

re: #704 NJDhockeyfan

I bet she has a foul smelling ass, or very messy hands, or both.

She was talking about women's use of toilet paper after they pee.

722 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:11:36pm

Ms. Crowe announced that her "TP" comments were made in jest.

723 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:11:48pm

re: #721 b_sharp

She was talking about women's use of toilet paper after they pee.

You were there as she expounded her wisdom?

724 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:12:14pm

re: #722 MandyManners

Ms. Crowe announced that her "TP" comments were made in jest.

"It was satire"

Where have we heard that before?

725 swamprat  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:12:24pm

re: #685 Cato the Elder

The favorite portuguese wine in the Azores is "take me to America!".

726 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:12:31pm

re: #720 reine.de.tout

I'm just curious as to how one happens to find these things out to begin with.
I mean, really.
I'm ROFL right now, and shouldn't be, I suppose.
I am so going to hell . . .

Lonely men are remarkably inventive.

727 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:12:34pm

re: #721 b_sharp

She was talking about women's use of toilet paper after they pee.

Link?

728 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:13:07pm

re: #727 MandyManners

Link?

Scrap?

729 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:13:16pm

re: #724 Alouette

"It was satire"

Where have we heard that before?

Oh, dear.

*backing out*

730 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:13:37pm

re: #720 reine.de.tout

I am so going to hell . . .

I sent my (protestant) pastor a birthday card once. Had a picture of 6 very dour priests on it. It read...

"Five out of six priests agree..."

open the card

"you are going straight to hell".

Right before I signed my name, I wrote,

"See you there."

731 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:13:47pm

re: #721 b_sharp

She was talking about women's use of toilet paper after they pee.

That kind of ass-tarded advice can give a woman a UTI.

732 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:13:53pm

re: #726 Renaissance_Man

Lonely men are remarkably inventive.

Heh.
Such genteel language, I do appreciate it.
But I think "lonely" isn't quite the word you were looking for.

733 Unakite  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:14:05pm

re: #662 Floral Giraffe

Here, hold my beer. Watch this!

I triple-dog dare you!!

734 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:14:44pm

re: #732 reine.de.tout

Desperate and unassisted?

735 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:15:01pm

re: #734 jaunte

Desperate and unassisted?

Much more descriptive!

736 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:15:12pm

re: #364 lawhawk

Nope. Not the Jedis.

George Lucas perhaps, but not the Jedi.

/the series ended with RoTJ and the prequels don't exist... *rocking back and forth gently*

I know. I know.

737 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:15:22pm

WIPE YOUR ASS WITH A SPOTTED OWL.

738 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:15:30pm

re: #723 Alouette

You were there as she expounded her wisdom?

If I remember correctly she explained herself.

You do know yours is a poor argument, since (I assume) you weren't there when she putatively made the original comment.

739 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:15:44pm

re: #735 reine.de.tout

Painfully optimistic!

740 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:15:45pm

The hilarity has worn me out.
See you peeps tomorrow.
Everyone, hope you have a great evening!

741 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:16:54pm

re: #725 swamprat

The favorite portuguese wine in the Azores is "take me to America!".

Actually, have you ever been to the Azores? I think Americans who visit there are more likely to want to stay than natives are to want to move to America.

Unless the first creature you meet there is one of these.

742 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:17:39pm

re: #721 b_sharp

She was talking about women's use of toilet paper after they pee.

Suuure she was.

743 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:17:41pm

re: #740 reine.de.tout

The hilarity has worn me out.

That's what she said.

No! Wait!

744 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:17:42pm

re: #736 SanFranciscoZionist

I know. I know.

Make mine Tartakovsky!

745 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:17:56pm

re: #741 Cato the Elder

By Zeus, that Hell Hound has no neck.

746 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:18:03pm

re: #686 webevintage

Like what?

Advancing the myth of the Timothy Murphy taking out General Frazer at Saratoga for one, though the spirit of the story is true as Daniel Morgan's crew of sharpshooters (special forces) were a definite difference maker. Also, same battle, Arnold is presented as a great hero, and he was tactically correct, though until he rode out, probably drunk and against orders, and got his ass knocked down when shot, he was working behind the lines on a short leash with General Gates. But the series does tell the story in a very attractive way, so good on it all in all. I'm sure there is more but there has to be a bit of dramatic license in these things.

747 Unakite  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:18:38pm

re: #678 reine.de.tout

OMG.
I won't even ask why.
There can be no rational answer to that.

re: #688 NJDhockeyfan

I learned something new tonight. The Hubble Telescope is running with whale oil.

I thought is was orbiting. but hey, my bad. I didn't watch the show.

748 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:19:04pm

re: #741 Cato the Elder

Unless the first creature you meet there is one of these.

What on Earth was that?

749 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:19:06pm

re: #738 b_sharp

If I remember correctly she explained herself.

You do know yours is a poor argument, since (I assume) you weren't there when she putatively made the original comment.

If this is her explanation, it's even more spectacularly stupid than the original comment. What you claim she was really suggesting is actually dangerous and can cause painful infection, not just embarrassing aromas.

750 What, me worry?  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:20:07pm

You know someone had to do it...

Crowe Clears the Air About T.P.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

It all started with a joke.

Wrapping up a nationwide global warming tour, singer-songwriter Sheryl Crow posted a quirky "solution" online about a new way to save the environment.

She wrote: "I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting."

She told the joke to get people's attention, and it worked. Talk show hosts had a field day with Crow's comments.

"Have you seen my [backside]?" Rosie O'Donnell joked on "The View."

"It seemed like Sheryl was trying to be a little bit cheeky, no pun intended," said Michelle Lee, executive editor of In Touch weekly.

751 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:20:17pm

re: #737 MandyManners

WIPE YOUR ASS WITH A SPOTTED OWL.

Tourette's bothering you again tonight, Mandy?

752 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:21:05pm

re: #748 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What on Earth was that?

And Azores Cattle Dog.

753 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:21:26pm

re: #711 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
I guess medical folks see everything under the sun, and then some.

I could never do the job that my brother and sister do day in and day out. I am pretty certain that I could have gotten into medical school had I wanted it, but I knew I never did. I always loved physics more and I do not have the right temperament.

They see all forms of tragedy and pathos. They are compassionate people, but they have a certain detachment that allows them to continue to function in the face of it all.

My sister works with victims of child abuse. She has a triple certification in pediatrics and child psychiatry and psychiatry. I will not repeat the stories she has told me here. I can only say that I could not do her job for five minutes without breaking down.

Police and medical folks see humanity at its utter worst (and sometimes best) every day.

When I was an undergrad, I got to follow a doctor around for a day since I had completed a premed requirement (the university informed that I had done this, I had no intention of being an MD but after taking orgo, I had all the credits). However the opportunity was too interesting to miss. So of course I chose the ER.

I saw a woman who had been beaten so badly that her eye was hanging out. Her face looked like a misshapen lump of clay. She had shot her husband in self defense with a shotgun. There was not a lot left of his belly. He didn't make it. She lost the eye.

I have the greatest respect for doctors and nurses.

754 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:21:35pm

re: #365 windsagio

Lucas is a fascist.

(really! He says facsm is best!)

He certainly makes it easy to sympathize with fascists. By the end of the first of the 'new' movies, I was ready to dissolve the Republic myself.

755 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:21:36pm

re: #751 Cato the Elder

That's not nice on two different levels, Cato.

756 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:21:56pm

re: #751 Cato the Elder

Oh, hell. It was a funny line.

BTW... the Azores Cattle Dog isn't as big as it looks.

757 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:22:14pm

re: #715 MandyManners

Like I wanna' give my car an orgasm.

Oh, wait.

Sister treated a woman who damaged her insides on a stick shift.

758 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:23:45pm

re: #755 Dark_Falcon

That's not nice on two different levels, Cato.

I'll try to make it three next time.

759 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:24:14pm

re: #758 Cato the Elder

Don't bother.

You thought about the patch?

760 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:24:19pm

One of the greatest songs ever thought up by mankind... (australian "folk song" by Rolf Harris.)

Nicholas! Albert! Look, I don't know where they are, but I'd like you to meet my two pals, my buddies, my two amigos. I'll tell you all about them.

Strange as it seems, I met in my dreams
Nick O. Teen and Al K. Hall.
Here's what they said to me: "Use your head boy, it's easy to see boy
Your life is very, very dull"

Well, I never gargled. I never gambled. I never smoked at all, oh, ohh,
Until I met my two good amigos, Nick O Teen and Al K. Hall.

So I said to Nick, "Nick, tell me quick,
What should a fellow do?"
He said to me, "Boy, it's easy to see, boy,
You should try a cigarette or two."

Well, I never gargled. I never gambled. I never smoked at all, oh, ohh,
Until I met my two good amigos, Nick O. Teen and Al K. Hall.

So I lit a fag, and I took a drag,
Then to my great surprise,
I started to gasp, and coughed like a rasp,
And everything spun round before my eyes.

Well, I never gargled. I never gambled. I never smoked at all, oh, ohh,
Until I met my two good amigos, Nick O. Teen and Al K. Hall.

So I said to Al, "Al, be a pal.
What do you really think?"
He said to me, "Boy, it's easy to see, boy,
Smoking's kid's stuff. Pour yourself a drink."

Well, I never gargled. I never gambled. I never smoked at all, oh, ohh,
Until I met my two good amigos, Nick O. Teen and Al K. Hall.

So quick as a wink, I took a drink,
Swigged a glassful down.
First it seemed to hit me, then it turned around and bit me,
And everything went all spinning round.

Well, I never gargled. I never gambled. I never smoked at all, oh, ohh,
Until I met my two good amigos, Nick O. Teen and Al K. Hall.

Well, here is the joke: when I awoke,
It wasn't finished yet.
I noticed first a terrible thirst
And then a craving for a cigarette.

Well, I never gargled. I never gambled. I never smoked at all, oh, ohh,
Until I met my two good amigos, Nick O. Teen and Al K. Hall.

Well, take my advice: this smoking is nice
And the drinking is really lush.
As you can see, there's no change in me.
I'm still as pure as the driven slush.


/memories, memories...

761 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:24:23pm

re: #661 Killgore Trout

Since the slugs are out I experimented with the penny thing. I found a slug and surrounded him with about 8 pennies. He tried like hell to find a way out. He eventually slimed his way over a penny and got out (after which I killed him) but it was definitely not his first choice. They can crawl over a penny but they'd rather not.
/the title to my house arrived in the mail today. Hooray!

Congratulations on the house title!
You slug murderer, you!

762 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:25:14pm

re: #725 swamprat

The favorite portuguese wine in the Azores is "take me to America!".

swamprat, are you Portuguese?

763 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:25:44pm

re: #727 MandyManners

Link?

Link:

I'm possibly wrong, because she doesn't say so explicitly. I made an assumption based on the complete sentence. I've bolded the comment.

I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting. Now, I don't want to rob any law-abiding American of his or her God-given rights, but I think we are an industrious enough people that we can make it work with only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where 2 to 3 could be required. When presenting this idea to my younger brother, whose judgment I trust implicitly, he proposed taking it one step further. I believe his quote was, "how bout just washing the one square out."

The last sentence of this paragraph, as well as a good part of the following paragraphs makes it pretty obvious she wasn't serious.

764 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:26:28pm

Let's keep Matthew McCabe in our thoughts and prayers.

765 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:26:52pm

re: #761 Floral Giraffe

Thanks. Feels good.
/Cheers!

766 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:27:05pm

re: #707 Nimed

I don't really know what to say to this. We don't agree, but this is besides the point, unless you think that less civilized people deserve worse treatment.

What I meant by that last comment was that there were numerous tribes who were peaceful and cooperative and everything that the Palistinians are not. We, the US, wiped out those tribes anyway.

As to "Israel does build settlements in land that was not annexed (at least officially) in the Six Day War, right?"

You need to look at the actual history and the settlement that was actually made by the UN after the Six day war. Israel was required to return some lands not all, in exchange for a peace deal.

There is no peace deal and some lands does not mean all the lands. Further, what gets called a settlement is a tricky business. Some of those "settlements" have been Jewish since pre British mandate times.

767 swamprat  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:27:28pm

re: #741 Cato the Elder


Been there. That's when I found out that I had never eaten bread. They call some stuff here "bread", but they lie. And what passes for "beef" in America- not even close. And if there was an Al-Catra(marinated roast beef) dealer within a hundred miles, I would have no money. The streets are stone. The weather is windy and cold, but since it never freezes, many tropicals thrive. Will go back, one day.

768 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:27:30pm

re: #757 LudwigVanQuixote

Sister treated a woman who damaged her insides on a stick shift.

Oh.

That's all.

Oh.

People are really weird.

769 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:27:36pm

Two and a half minutes left in a very exciting hockey game. Still tied at 2.

770 prairiefire  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:27:37pm

The nicotine patch helped me quit smoking!

771 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:28:00pm

re: #757 LudwigVanQuixote

Sister treated a woman who damaged her insides on a stick shift.

I just cannot give you a ding.

772 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:28:06pm

re: #753 LudwigVanQuixote

I could never do the job that my brother and sister do day in and day out. I am pretty certain that I could have gotten into medical school had I wanted it, but I knew I never did. I always loved physics more and I do not have the right temperament.

They see all forms of tragedy and pathos. They are compassionate people, but they have a certain detachment that allows them to continue to function in the face of it all.

My sister works with victims of child abuse. She has a triple certification in pediatrics and child psychiatry and psychiatry. I will not repeat the stories she has told me here. I can only say that I could not do her job for five minutes without breaking down.

Police and medical folks see humanity at its utter worst (and sometimes best) every day.

When I was an undergrad, I got to follow a doctor around for a day since I had completed a premed requirement (the university informed that I had done this, I had no intention of being an MD but after taking orgo, I had all the credits). However the opportunity was too interesting to miss. So of course I chose the ER.

I saw a woman who had been beaten so badly that her eye was hanging out. Her face looked like a misshapen lump of clay. She had shot her husband in self defense with a shotgun. There was not a lot left of his belly. He didn't make it. She lost the eye.

I have the greatest respect for doctors and nurses.

I know how you feel, Ludwig. Medicine is not for everyone. And you're right: You bring intense passion into your work. It helps make you better and it gives an intense desire to be the best, but its not a good thing for a doctor. You don't have the same sense of detachment. Neither do I.

773 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:28:22pm

re: #749 Alouette

If this is her explanation, it's even more spectacularly stupid than the original comment. What you claim she was really suggesting is actually dangerous and can cause painful infection, not just embarrassing aromas.

Wiping yourself with a clean piece of toilet paper is dangerous? How so?

774 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:29:02pm

re: #715 MandyManners

Like I wanna' give my car an orgasm.

Oh, wait.

OK. I seriously think that is THE funniest thing I have ever read on LGF.
In a very very sick sort of way.

775 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:29:30pm

re: #772 Dark_Falcon

I know how you feel, Ludwig. Medicine is not for everyone. And you're right: You bring intense passion into your work. It helps make you better and it gives an intense desire to be the best, but its not a good thing for a doctor. You don't have the same sense of detachment. Neither do I.

It isn't passion. They are very passionate about what they do. It is about not letting one's own emotions get in the way of doing the job. I would be a wreck in minutes.

776 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:29:44pm

re: #760 ausador

Nice money line.

777 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:29:49pm

re: #720 reine.de.tout

I'm just curious as to how one happens to find these things out to begin with.
I mean, really.
I'm ROFL right now, and shouldn't be, I suppose.
I am so going to hell . . .

See you there.
I have tears running down my face, I'm laughing so hard...

778 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:29:50pm

Chicago scores! 90 seconds left.

779 swamprat  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:29:56pm

re: #762 Nimed

Nope. German, Welsh, Indian, etc.

780 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:30:06pm

re: #769 NJDhockeyfan

Two and a half minutes left in a very exciting hockey game. Still tied at 2.

Go Hawks! Win this game!

781 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:30:14pm

re: #408 lawhawk

Oh, I enjoyed the eye candy of the early movies - Natalie Portman rates quite highly in my book, and the fight scenes and sfx are awesome, but the story? Samuel L. Jackson ought to have taken his light sabre named bad ass mfer and done in Lucas the moment that it was midichlorians when he had the chance.

He should have taken a pair of pliers and a blowtorch to the damned prophesy that "the one" will bring balance to the force.

The dialog is cringe worthy, but none worse than hearing that Padme lost the frakking will to live.

Lost the will to live? With billions of dollars in medtech available, they can't sustain her until she realizes that Aniken was bad jobu and that her kids will save the universe from her domestic abusing husband?

It is a world in which they have interstellar faster-than-light travel, but no one realizes a woman is carrying twins until she gives birth.

And the Jedi do not come off looking particularly noble in the second trilogy. Certainly not smart. It's disappointing. You see them first through Luke's eyes--they are legendary and special. You see them through middle-aged Lucas' eyes, and they are selfish, superstitious, not-very-sensitive martial arts experts with an unfathomable degree of social influence who NEVER GO BACK FOR THE KID'S MOTHER and are then surprised when he murders them all in their beds.

I read a fanfic once that suggested a history of sexual abuse first between Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, and then Obi-Wan and Anakin--well-written--and I actually thought to myself, heh, this guy may understand what's wrong in Lucas' universe better than its writer does.

782 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:30:40pm

re: #763 b_sharp

The last sentence of this paragraph, as well as a good part of the following paragraphs makes it pretty obvious she wasn't serious.

My memory is that she declared she was joking, that she didn't really mean it.

Whetever.

I scrub my own toilets.

Does she scrub hers?

783 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:31:19pm

re: #775 LudwigVanQuixote

It isn't passion. They are very passionate about what they do. It is about not letting one's own emotions get in the way of doing the job. I would be a wreck in minutes.

Thank you for the clarification. You're right of course.

784 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:31:21pm

re: #773 b_sharp

Wiping yourself with a clean piece of toilet paper is dangerous? How so?

Not using enough to clean yourself is dangerous and unsanitary.

785 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:31:40pm

re: #778 NJDhockeyfan

Chicago scores! 90 seconds left.

Hoo-rah!

786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:31:53pm

re: #764 MandyManners

Let's keep Matthew McCabe in our thoughts and prayers.

Don't know who that is... But, if you're askin', I'ma prayin'.

787 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:02pm

re: #773 b_sharp

Wiping yourself with a clean piece of toilet paper is dangerous? How so?

Using only one square can be dangerous if the area is not sufficiently cleaned. UTI's can result.

Sheryl Crowe is a gamy buttock.

788 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:06pm

re: #421 windsagio

Haha, I just love that subject, its interesting to see hwere people are on the civil liberties/privacy thing >>

If I'm in public I'm in public. I don't LIKE the idea of the gubmint putting up cameras all over, but I can't totally come up with a real good reason why.

789 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:19pm

re: #769 NJDhockeyfan

Two and a half minutes left in a very exciting hockey game. Still tied at 2.

The Kid has been flunked. At my directive.

790 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:22pm

re: #782 MandyManners

My memory is that she declared she was joking, that she didn't really mean it.

Whetever.

I scrub my own toilets.

Does she scrub hers?

Does it matter who does the scrubbing as long as they get scrubbed?

Read her original comment and tell me she was being serious. I linked to it in an earlier comment.

791 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:37pm

Chicago scores an empty netter and the fans throw towels on the ice.

792 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:46pm

Important news:

[Link: www.google.com...]

Officials: Floods kill 4 more people in Tenn.
(AP) – 3 hours ago

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Officials in Tennessee say four more people have been killed in flooding, bringing the state's storm-related death toll to 16.
Gov. Phil Bredesen (BRED'-uh-sen) said Monday that two more bodies were found outside of Nashville. A short time later, Nashville city spokeswoman Gwen Hopkins said two additional people were killed by flooding from the rising Cumberland River.

In total, 26 people have died from weekend storms and flash flooding in Tennessee, Kentucky and Mississippi. Fifteen of the deaths in Tennessee were flood-related and one person died in a weekend tornado in the western part of the state.

Thousands have fled there homes in Nashville as the Cumberland continues to rise after heavy rains dumped more than 13 inches of water in two days.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Nashville braced for more deaths Monday as the flooded Cumberland River continued to swell, sending muddy water rushing through neighborhoods and into parts of the historic heart of Music City after a destructive line of weekend storms killed 22 people in Tennessee, Mississippi and Kentucky.

As AGW continues, we will see more and more of this.

793 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:53pm

re: #785 Dark_Falcon

Hoo-rah!

NBA?

794 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:55pm

re: #753 LudwigVanQuixote

The folks who deal with the children, IMHO see the absolute worst of humanity. I applaud them.
I could never do the jobs that they do.

795 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:32:57pm

re: #753 LudwigVanQuixote

I could never do the job that my brother and sister do day in and day out. I am pretty certain that I could have gotten into medical school had I wanted it, but I knew I never did. I always loved physics more and I do not have the right temperament.

They see all forms of tragedy and pathos. They are compassionate people, but they have a certain detachment that allows them to continue to function in the face of it all.

My sister works with victims of child abuse. She has a triple certification in pediatrics and child psychiatry and psychiatry. I will not repeat the stories she has told me here. I can only say that I could not do her job for five minutes without breaking down.

Police and medical folks see humanity at its utter worst (and sometimes best) every day.

When I was an undergrad, I got to follow a doctor around for a day since I had completed a premed requirement (the university informed that I had done this, I had no intention of being an MD but after taking orgo, I had all the credits). However the opportunity was too interesting to miss. So of course I chose the ER.

I saw a woman who had been beaten so badly that her eye was hanging out. Her face looked like a misshapen lump of clay. She had shot her husband in self defense with a shotgun. There was not a lot left of his belly. He didn't make it. She lost the eye.

I have the greatest respect for doctors and nurses.

Never ever disrespect someone for the job they do. They are working hard and in turn taking care, so that you will never know. This applies to the janitors too.

796 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:33:39pm

re: #781 SanFranciscoZionist

It is a world in which they have interstellar faster-than-light travel, but no one realizes a woman is carrying twins until she gives birth.

And the Jedi do not come off looking particularly noble in the second trilogy. Certainly not smart. It's disappointing. You see them first through Luke's eyes--they are legendary and special. You see them through middle-aged Lucas' eyes, and they are selfish, superstitious, not-very-sensitive martial arts experts with an unfathomable degree of social influence who NEVER GO BACK FOR THE KID'S MOTHER and are then surprised when he murders them all in their beds.

I read a fanfic once that suggested a history of sexual abuse first between Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, and then Obi-Wan and Anakin--well-written--and I actually thought to myself, heh, this guy may understand what's wrong in Lucas' universe better than its writer does.

Perfect quote.

I can not fathom not going back for the kid's mom.

797 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:33:40pm

wow, long thread. Internet Explorer users will soon be filtered out of this one.

798 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:33:49pm

re: #787 Alouette

Sheryl Crowe is a HAWT gamy buttock.

Just threw in a little testosterone there...

799 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:34:07pm

Instadummy sez....

JUSTICE DEPT. FAIL: Judge orders release of 9 Hutaree militia members.
....
Okay, this isn’t any sort of exoneration, but it does suggest that the feds rushed the arrest. It’s only speculation that they did so because there was pressure from the Administration to generate some militia-threat headlines precisely at the time that the “militia threat” was the talking-point of the day. But it’s not unreasonable speculation, based on what we know so far . . . .

He sure loves the anti-government militias.

800 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:34:35pm

re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't know who that is... But, if you're askin', I'ma prayin'.

The last of three U.S. Navy SEALs to face court-martial in connection with the alleged abuse of a suspected terrorist in Iraq is scheduled to stand trial this week at Naval Station NorfolkYour text to link....

Two of the SEALs, Jonathan Keefe and Julio Huertas, were cleared of wrongdoing during military trials in Baghdad last month. Prosecutors argued that they helped cover up the mistreatment of Ahmed Hashim Abed in Fallujah in September. Abed is thought to have masterminded the killing of four Blackwater contractors in Fallujah in 2004.

The SEAL who will stand trial beginning today, Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, is the only one who is accused of physically harming Abed. The charges against him include assault for allegedly punching Abed in the midsection; dereliction of duty for not protecting Abed; and making a false statement to an investigator who later interviewed him about the matter.

SNIP

801 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:34:55pm

re: #795 Stanley Sea

Never ever disrespect someone for the job they do. They are working hard and in turn taking care, so that you will never know. This applies to the janitors too.

I don't disrespect anyone who does an honest day's work. However, let's face it, it is highly unlikely that what you and I do in our day to day comes close to the direct benefit to people's lives that a competent physician or nurse has.

802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:34:57pm

re: #796 LudwigVanQuixote

What movie y'all talking about?
/

803 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:35:17pm

re: #462 Cato the Elder

Bush never went to Israel? I didn't know that.

Obama is overdue in my opinion, but Bush had eight freakin' years.

I think Bush made a visit late in his second administration, IIRC. Almost sure.

Yes, checked. January of 2008 he went.

804 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:35:51pm

re: #792 LudwigVanQuixote

Important news:

[Link: www.google.com...]

As AGW continues, we will see more and more of this.

It has flooded somewhere every year that I can remember. Calling it a result from AGW is just as stupid as saying all the snow we got last winter is from global cooling.

805 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:35:54pm

re: #784 NJDhockeyfan

Not using enough to clean yourself is dangerous and unsanitary.

Most men go without wiping their penis after urinating. There was no suggestion she was using it for more than just urinating. I was not talking about using the same tissue for both defecation and urination.

Besides, read her original comments, there is no way she was being serious.

806 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:35:56pm

re: #800 MandyManners

Oh! Don't follow the names as much as I should....

807 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:36:19pm

re: #472 marjoriemoon

There's seems to be a big push by U.S. presidents to be The Peace Brokers, but without a partner, it's pretty much onesided and impossible.

I've told you, I think there's a memo they pass from dude to dude, telling them that THEY are the one to fix it all.

808 MandyManners  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:36:31pm

re: #790 b_sharp

Does it matter who does the scrubbing as long as they get scrubbed?

Read her original comment and tell me she was being serious. I linked to it in an earlier comment.

Bless your heart!

809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:36:34pm

re: #803 SanFranciscoZionist

That helped with the Jewish vote, huh?

810 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:36:40pm

re: #794 Floral Giraffe

The folks who deal with the children, IMHO see the absolute worst of humanity. I applaud them.
I could never do the jobs that they do.

Any story that starts with "she was only two and a half so she required 4 hours of vaginal surgery..." is sufficient to make me want to go fetal.

811 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:36:40pm

re: #787 Alouette

Using only one square can be dangerous if the area is not sufficiently cleaned. UTI's can result.

Sheryl Crowe is a gamy buttock.

I didn't say anything about wiping her ass with one tissue.

812 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:37:12pm

re: #475 brookly red

going through the motions, exactly. So wheres the beef?

There is no beef. There is no final number. There is no final revolution. There are no magic words that a US President can say that will bring peace to the Middle East.

813 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:37:24pm

re: #805 b_sharp

Most men go without wiping their penis after urinating. There was no suggestion she was using it for more than just urinating. I was not talking about using the same tissue for both defecation and urination.

Besides, read her original comments, there is no way she was being serious.

Some dudes wipe their junk after they pee? If I saw someone doing that in a restroom, I'd have trouble not laughing.

814 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:37:39pm

re: #811 b_sharp

Jeez. Get. A. Freaking. Life.

815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:37:50pm

re: #805 b_sharp

Yeah. Okay. Whatever.

Women don't poop.

816 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:38:01pm

BP says it's given coastal states $25 million each for cleanup efforts.
BP PLC officials on Monday said they gave Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Florida $25 million each so the states have cash in hand to pay for cleanup workers and mitigation efforts.
[Link: blog.al.com...]

817 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:38:21pm

re: #812 SanFranciscoZionist

No. Not one.

818 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:38:32pm

Chicago wins!

819 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:38:44pm

re: #813 cliffster

Some dudes wipe their junk after they pee? If I saw someone doing that in a restroom, I'd have trouble not laughing.

I should probably follow that conversation up the thread, but I'm not gonna

820 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:39:04pm

re: #799 Killgore Trout

Instadummy sez...


He sure loves the anti-government militias.

What a chump.

821 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:39:05pm

re: #759 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't bother.

You thought about the patch?

Look, when Mandy gets into all-caps shouting mode, that's not a good sign.

When she makes jokes about wiping your ass on live animals, I'm going to call it what it is: Tourette's Syndrome, or a blog version of same.

822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:39:08pm

re: #813 cliffster

If he's wearing khakis? Please. Forgive him.

823 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:40:15pm

Here is a suggestion that will save more trees than using "only one square" after you pee:

Stop publishing the freaking Yellow Pages.

824 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:40:23pm

re: #818 NJDhockeyfan

Chicago wins!

Yes! Series tied 1-1. We're in this! Go Blackhawks! This Year is Next Year!

825 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:40:38pm

re: #804 NJDhockeyfan

It has flooded somewhere every year that I can remember. Calling it a result from AGW is just as stupid as saying all the snow we got last winter is from global cooling.

Once again, you would do well to read actual science before commenting.

Here is a non-techinical article.

Global Warming Increases Flood Risk in Mountain Areas

[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

ScienceDaily (Jan. 22, 2010) — The world's mountainous regions are home to about 800 million people and the source of some of the world's major rivers. In these regions, runoff is strongly affected by temperature. This suggests that flooding could be quite sensitive to global warming, but there has been some lack of scientific consensus on the effects of temperature variations on floods.

Allamano et al. show that global warming does increase flood risk significantly. The authors analyzed runoff data recorded by 27 stations in the Swiss Alps and used a simple probabilistic model to study how flood risk varies with temperature, precipitation, and elevation in mountainous regions.

The researchers found that large floods have occurred more frequently in recent years than in the past, and they predict that global warming will result in such floods occurring even more often in the future.
In particular, they found that if global temperatures increase by 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), then large floods that occurred about once every 100 years could occur up to 5 times more often.
The research appears in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

826 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:40:41pm

re: #805 b_sharp

Most men go without wiping their penis after urinating. There was no suggestion she was using it for more than just urinating. I was not talking about using the same tissue for both defecation and urination.

Besides, read her original comments, there is no way she was being serious.

Is arguing about how many squares of toilet paper Cheryl Crowe uses on her ass really worth more than 2 posts?

827 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:40:56pm

re: #818 NJDhockeyfan

(should I ding that?)
(hockey is fun to watch live, but, otherwise?; not a lot more interesting than soccer to me)
(tell me to up-ding, and I will)

828 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:41:07pm

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If he's wearing khakis? Please. Forgive him.

When dads tell their sons that "shaking it more than 3 times is playing with yourself", they're lying.

829 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:41:10pm

re: #815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. Okay. Whatever.

Women don't poop.

They don't fart either.

830 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:41:31pm

re: #821 Cato the Elder

Blogstalking a woman is a sinister thing for a man to do.

831 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:42:06pm

re: #829 NJDhockeyfan

They don't fart either.

See?

832 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:42:32pm

re: #830 Dark_Falcon

Blogstalking a woman is a sinister thing for a man to do.

Mandy is an asshole. That's different.

833 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:42:55pm

re: #832 Cato the Elder

Mandy is an asshole. That's different.

Cato... please give it a rest.

834 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:43:53pm

re: #815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. Okay. Whatever.

Women don't poop.

Are you people being purposely obtuse?

Read my comments, as many times as it takes, until you understand them. Once you understand my comments, if you ever do, then, and only then, read the Crow original comment completely through, and please, keep the context of the previous sentences in mind as you do, until you understand just how unserious she was being.

Oh, and Alouette , it seems you were quite happy to 'not have a life' and respond to my comments until I started, repeatedly, posting the link and my explanation apparently started sinking through.

835 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:43:55pm

Great bloggingheads session up with David Frum and Jonah Goldberg.

You get to see Jonah downplay the role of talk-radio and squirm while he trying to explain why it's perfectly ok to call Obama a socialist.

Frum is polite but pretty merciless. Didn't know he had it in him.

836 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:44:21pm

re: #825 LudwigVanQuixote

Well then we've been having global warming issues since at least the 60s that I witnessed. Is the 1889 Johnstown flood proof of global warming in the 1800s?

837 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:44:23pm

re: #823 Alouette


Stop publishing the freaking Yellow Pages.

INTERNETZ KITTEZ NO THE FONE NUMBUZ!

838 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:44:50pm

re: #813 cliffster

Some dudes wipe their junk after they pee? If I saw someone doing that in a restroom, I'd have trouble not laughing.

Sometimes men with prostate problems have to sit down, and wipe after.

839 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:45:32pm

re: #827 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(should I ding that?)
(hockey is fun to watch live, but, otherwise?; not a lot more interesting than soccer to me)
(tell me to up-ding, and I will)

Go ahead, you know you want to.

840 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:46:44pm

re: #834 b_sharp

I was being silly. Calm down.

I know that Sheryl Crow poops.

Of course, she's not my mother (of 6).

Nor my wife.

841 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:47:04pm

re: #833 LudwigVanQuixote

Cato... please give it a rest.

When she no longer thinks that shouting about people wiping their butts on birds is funny and when other people downding her for it, I'll give it a rest.

Till then, don't tell me what to do.

842 Ojoe  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:47:23pm
Pakistani-American man sought in NYC car bomb case

(MSNBC)

Pakistan means "Land of the Pure."

Feh.


Good Night.

843 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:47:49pm

I just learned something interesting from my colleague in Brazil. If you want to tell someone to fuck off in Portuguese, you say, "Vai se fuder" (literally, "go fuck yourself"). Or, you can say it more nicely. "Vai se catar". That is less harsh. There's a mean and a nice way to tell someone to fuck off in Portuguese. Ha! If English had two different ways of saying it, that's probably all I'd ever say.

844 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:48:01pm

re: #839 NJDhockeyfan

Say "Up?" or "Down?".

845 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:48:08pm

re: #834 b_sharp

Are you people being purposely obtuse?

Read my comments, as many times as it takes, until you understand them. Once you understand my comments, if you ever do, then, and only then, read the Crow original comment completely through, and please, keep the context of the previous sentences in mind as you do, until you understand just how unserious she was being.

Oh, and Alouette , it seems you were quite happy to 'not have a life' and respond to my comments until I started, repeatedly, posting the link and my explanation apparently started sinking through.

Man, you really take your ass wiping serious, don't you?

846 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:48:13pm

re: #836 NJDhockeyfan

Well then we've been having global warming issues since at least the 60s that I witnessed. Is the 1889 Johnstown flood proof of global warming in the 1800s?

We have been having global warming for the last 100 years in an ever accelerating process. If you would ever take the time to read the sciene given to you, you would see that increased flooding is predicted as this process continues.

847 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:48:22pm

re: #828 cliffster

When dads tell their sons that "shaking it more than 3 times is playing with yourself", they're lying.

Yes, but there's truth in this old rhyme:

No matter how you shake your peg,
The last few drops roll down your leg.

848 [deleted]  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:48:46pm
849 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:48:54pm

re: #835 Nimed

Things we learn from Goldberg:

1- Obama is a socialist;

2- But so was Tony Blair and Nixon;

3- Obama is less socialist than Nixon was;

4- Are State seat belt laws socialist? Possibly, says Goldberg.

850 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:49:00pm

re: #847 Cato the Elder

Yes, but there's truth in this old rhyme:

No matter how you shake your peg,
The last few drops roll down your leg.

Yeah that really pisses me off.

851 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:49:02pm

re: #826 NJDhockeyfan

Is arguing about how many squares of toilet paper Cheryl Crowe uses on her ass really worth more than 2 posts?

Ask the people answering my comments.

If you are going to make judgments about people, shouldn't the information you base those judgments on be accurate?

852 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:49:11pm

re: #844 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Say "Up?" or "Down?".

Don't care, just ding me baby.

853 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:49:38pm

re: #850 cliffster

This is one of those times when it'd be totally ok to upding yourself.

854 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:50:06pm

re: #841 Cato the Elder

When she no longer thinks that shouting about people wiping their butts on birds is funny and when other people downding her for it, I'll give it a rest.

Till then, don't tell me what to do.

Cato, it's me LVQ, I am you friend. I am not a foe. I am saying that right now, we get that you hate her. Let her shoot at you first at least before firing off a salvo. You are not coming out of this looking well - and I have never been one to shy from a fight, but I don't go trying to start them either.

855 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:50:19pm

re: #838 b_sharp

Can we please drop the bodily function discussion? It's pretty gross.

856 swamprat  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:50:30pm

Good night lizards. Meat world beacons.

Try this Cato;

...and in my estimation; Mandy should be deleted!

Just place it at the bottom of each post.

/actually, I love both you guys

Try not to squabble

857 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:50:34pm

re: #852 NJDhockeyfan

I really wanna ding... (in bed) but wanna know what will help you!

858 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:51:09pm

re: #846 LudwigVanQuixote

We have been having global warming for the last 100 years in an ever accelerating process. If you would ever take the time to read the sciene given to you, you would see that increased flooding is predicted as this process continues.

How long has man been responsible for global warming?

BTW, I need some rain over here. We only got 1/8 inch. Now I have to use my sprinklers this week in the garden.

859 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:51:32pm

re: #810 LudwigVanQuixote

OMG. I heard exactly that about the daughter of a girl we fostered. Husband... *spit* Fetal is about where my head went.

860 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:52:11pm

re: #849 Nimed

Things we learn from Goldberg:

1- Obama is a socialist;

2- But so was Tony Blair and Nixon;

3- Obama is less socialist than Nixon was;

4- Are State seat belt laws socialist? Possibly, says Goldberg.

Those seem fairly reasonable points to me. Not necessarily correct, but not unreasonable either.

861 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:52:23pm

re: #859 Rightwingconspirator

OMG. I heard exactly that about the daughter of a girl we fostered. Husband... *spit* Fetal is about where my head went.

My sister treats girls and boys like that.

862 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:52:57pm

re: #840 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was being silly. Calm down.

I know that Sheryl Crow poops.

Of course, she's not my mother (of 6).

Nor my wife.

Sorry. Alouette annoyed me by suggesting her multiple answers to my multiple comments were somehow less frivolous and useless than my comments.

I really don't give a shit about Crow, I just get annoyed at misrepresentations based on the inability or refusal to look things up.

863 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:52:57pm

I don't want to be awake anymore tonight.

G'night knuckleheads!

864 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:53:02pm

re: #826 NJDhockeyfan

Is arguing about how many squares of toilet paper Cheryl Crowe uses on her ass really worth more than 2 any posts?

FTFY.

865 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:53:55pm

re: #845 NJDhockeyfan

Man, you really take your ass wiping serious, don't you?

Are you saying I shouldn't wipe my ass with certain comments?

866 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:53:55pm

re: #858 NJDhockeyfan

How long has man been responsible for global warming?

BTW, I need some rain over here. We only got 1/8 inch. Now I have to use my sprinklers this week in the garden.

Will you stop with the knee jerk responses and just look at the data? Read an actual science paper for once before opening your mouth.

I understand that the science says things you do not like. I get that for whatever reason you can't understand a graph or do algebra. However that is no excuse for making crap up as you go along and becoming indignant.

867 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:54:14pm

re: #861 LudwigVanQuixote

Props for your call for peace here BTW.

868 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:54:55pm

re: #846 LudwigVanQuixote

We have been having global warming for the last 100 years in an ever accelerating process. If you would ever take the time to read the sciene given to you, you would see that increased flooding is predicted as this process continues.

Research is hard, especially when you have to read papers that say the opposite of what you hope is true.

869 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:55:06pm

re: #848 MikeySDCA

OT:

In the oil rig disaster, we've gotten lots of pictures of oil-covered birds and dire predictions about shrimp industry losses, but nobody seems to be talking about the eleven people who died.

Casualties

Where is the usual parade of grieving widows and tributes to the dead as absolutely perfect?

Upding! Absolutely correct. Are dying birds more important than the 11 rig workers?

870 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:56:13pm

re: #854 LudwigVanQuixote

Cato, it's me LVQ, I am you friend. I am not a foe. I am saying that right now, we get that you hate her. Let her shoot at you first at least before firing off a salvo. You are not coming out of this looking well - and I have never been one to shy from a fight, but I don't go trying to start them either.

Excuse me. I made an joke apropos her "joke", and got jumped for it by the usual suspects. Things went from there.

When Mandy goes into Tourette's mode, I'm going to comment on it. If other people want to join the fray, I shall henceforth ignore them.

871 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:56:21pm

re: #861 LudwigVanQuixote

My sister treats girls and boys like that.

Please thank your sister for me! It's a job well worth doing. But, as much as I wish I could, I could not do that job.

872 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:56:28pm

re: #855 Dark_Falcon

Can we please drop the bodily function discussion? It's pretty gross.

OK Dokay.

Let's get into either AGW or spiders.

873 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:56:37pm

re: #781 SanFranciscoZionist

They abandoned continuity for jar-jar-binks and other cutesey shit, the movies completely sucked and no one that I know denies that. Hell the minute they introduced Jar-Jar as a lead character I knew it was doomed.

The "Force" turned into how many chloro- watchjamacallits you had infesting you and hence became pointless. So the moral is that the parasites win? No? Well then I am kinda confused?

Just thank your lucky stars that they gae it up after six movies instead of the original nine that were discussed. I don't even want to think about how silly those final three would have gotten, they would probably have had Shrek and the effing donkey giving advice to the young Jedis or something equally as stupid.

874 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:57:19pm

re: #858 NJDhockeyfan

How long has man been responsible for global warming?

BTW, I need some rain over here. We only got 1/8 inch. Now I have to use my sprinklers this week in the garden.

The only water my plants ever get is what God gives 'em. Little bastards can't live on that have no business in my soil.

875 bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:57:46pm

How's everybody tonight?

876 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:57:51pm

re: #848 MikeySDCA

OT:

In the oil rig disaster, we've gotten lots of pictures of oil-covered birds and dire predictions about shrimp industry losses, but nobody seems to be talking about the eleven people who died.

Casualties

Where is the usual parade of grieving widows and tributes to the dead as absolutely perfect?

Maybe people feel guilty about the dirty-but-necessary industries like oil production and mining, and would rather not look too closely at the human cost.

877 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:58:42pm

re: #875 bagua

How's everybody tonight?

Shitty, thanks for asking. How are you?

878 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:59:20pm

re: #877 cliffster

Shitty, thanks for asking. How are you?

Shitty, thanks. Everyone playing nice?

879 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 8:59:59pm

re: #878 Bagua

On the square, yes.

880 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:00:27pm

re: #876 jaunte

Maybe people feel guilty about the dirty-but-necessary industries like oil production and mining, and would rather not look too closely at the human cost.

Kinda like slaughterhouses. Most people would prefer to think chicken grows on bushes and is picked in fruit-like servings wrapped in natural plastic.

881 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:00:35pm

re: #858 NJDhockeyfan

How long has man been responsible for global warming?

BTW, I need some rain over here. We only got 1/8 inch. Now I have to use my sprinklers this week in the garden.

There are many causes for the numerous times the climate has fluctuated, only this most recent upswing can be attributed to CO2 from fossil fuel burning. If you have a suggestion other than humans for all the fossil fuel combustion then perhaps humans aren't as responsible as it looks.

882 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:00:51pm

re: #870 Cato the Elder

Excuse me. I made an joke apropos her "joke", and got jumped for it by the usual suspects. Things went from there.

When Mandy goes into Tourette's mode, I'm going to comment on it. If other people want to join the fray, I shall henceforth ignore them.

Cato. I am not your foe and I am certainly not trying to tell you to do anything. I am requesting that you only shoot if shot at.

I am not joining a fray.

I did not care for the spotted owl comment either. I found it obnoxious and ignorant. I would have even said something scientific about that except you made it personal before I could say anything.

I understand the whole pile on mentality that obtains here at times - I have been on the bottom of many. However even those who detest me here tend to at least grudgingly admit that I rarely start out picking a fight.

I ask that you do the same.

883 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:01:14pm

re: #871 Floral Giraffe

Please thank your sister for me! It's a job well worth doing. But, as much as I wish I could, I could not do that job.

She is an amazing woman.

884 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:01:18pm

re: #879 jaunte

On the square, yes.

Groovy.

885 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:01:36pm

re: #878 Bagua

Shitty, thanks. Everyone playing nice?

The Suns are playing very mean with the Spurs. Other than that, it's cool

886 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:01:37pm

re: #866 LudwigVanQuixote

Will you stop with the knee jerk responses and just look at the data? Read an actual science paper for once before opening your mouth.

I understand that the science says things you do not like. I get that for whatever reason you can't understand a graph or do algebra. However that is no excuse for making crap up as you go along and becoming indignant.

I'm not trying to cause trouble. Kudos for you for keeping your temper down. A few months ago you would be a raving lunatic by now.

It's just I read stories that say lack of fog in SF is caused by global warming. Then I read heavy fog in SF is caused by global warming. Droughts are caused by global warming, heavy rain is caused by global warming, a busy hurricane season is caused by global warming, a light hurricane season is caused by global warming, light snow winter is caused by global warming, heavy snow winter is caused by global warming, plane crash off the coast of Brazil is caused by global warming, etc...

I just find anything other than 'normal' weather is being blamed on global warming and it just not believable any more.

887 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:03:27pm

re: #882 LudwigVanQuixote

Cato. I am not your foe and I am certainly not trying to tell you to do anything. I am requesting that you only shoot if shot at.

I am not joining a fray.

I did not care for the spotted owl comment either. I found it obnoxious and ignorant. I would have even said something scientific about that except you made it personal before I could say anything.

I understand the whole pile on mentality that obtains here at times - I have been on the bottom of many. However even those who detest me here tend to at least grudgingly admit that I rarely start out picking a fight.

I ask that you do the same.

Look, if you can ignore comments by Steve and Bagua for a week, I'll think about it!

888 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:03:40pm

re: #502 Dark_Falcon

I love dragonflies. They can actually eat mosquitoes while still flying.

Also, they mate on the wing, which for some reason I find deeply romantic.

889 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:04:01pm

OK, funny comment on Governor Sanford's clearing of criminal wrong doing today.

[Link: thehill.com...]

This smuck is a dumber version of John Edwards, if that is possible. Again, where do they find these people? Is there something in the Constitution that says you have to have been dropped on your head as a baby to be eligible for office?

890 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:04:44pm

re: #888 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, they mate on the wing, which for some reason I find deeply romantic.

Romantic? How the hell do they get any traction?

891 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:05:09pm

Fuck, what did I miss?

Haha, no need to respond, but it would be helpful to have a 2 line recap

892 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:05:15pm

re: #875 bagua

How's everybody tonight?

Still sick.

893 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:07:00pm

re: #886 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not trying to cause trouble. Kudos for you for keeping your temper down. A few months ago you would be a raving lunatic by now.

And you are not trying to pick a fight? Of course you are.

It's just I read stories that say lack of fog in SF is caused by global warming.

That is sometimes true.

Then I read heavy fog in SF is caused by global warming.

That is also sometimes true. The Earth is a dynamic system. Global warming means all sorts of complex changes in currents (both air and water). It is foolish to assume just one thing will obtain while the equlibria shift.

Droughts are caused by global warming, heavy rain is caused by global warming, a busy hurricane season is caused by global warming, a light hurricane season is caused by global warming, light snow winter is caused by global warming, heavy snow winter is caused by global warming,

Also all true depending on where and when you are talking.

I just find anything other than 'normal' weather is being blamed on global warming and it just not believable any more.

If you ever took the time to read and understand the science, you would not have that reaction. You are basing your views on a mix of MSM and denialist blogs. Of course your information is not going to be consistent and then frustrating.

894 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:07:23pm

This week in Houston is the:
41st Annual Offshore Technology Conference

Talk about your unfortunate timing. Bagua is debating attending this year to report back to the clan. One imagines an enjoyable time asking highly technical questions of the reps from Cameron and Halliburton, such as; "What the fuck happened?" and "What's your excuse?"

May even snap a shot of the Cameron BOP should they have one on display.

895 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:07:27pm

re: #891 Stanley Sea

Fuck, what did I miss?

Haha, no need to respond, but it would be helpful to have a 2 line recap

Someone mentioned Sheryl Crowe's comment about using one square in the bathroom.

Someone else felt the need to defend her.

896 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:07:48pm

re: #878 Bagua

Shitty, thanks. Everyone playing nice?

That all depends upon how much your willing to pay, nice is cheap, dirty costs a little more...

/// :p

897 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:07:50pm

re: #887 Cato the Elder

Look, if you can ignore comments by Steve and Bagua for a week, I'll think about it!

Bagua I have been very good at ignoring for over a month. And Stevo always comes out swinging. I didn't say don't shoot back, I said don't shoot first.

898 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:08:01pm

I have a friend with a MIL who keeps posting shit on his Facebook wall. Would it be bad for my friend to de-friend his MIL?

899 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:08:06pm

re: #892 Dark_Falcon

Still sick.

Sorry to hear that mate, get some chicken soup is my advice.

900 webevintage  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:08:14pm

MSNBC just broke in to say that a guy has been taken into custody for the failed NY bombing.

901 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:09:08pm

re: #897 LudwigVanQuixote

Behavioral training doesn't work if you punish all behavior, eh? ;)

902 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:09:19pm

re: #897 LudwigVanQuixote

Bagua I have been very good at ignoring for over a month. And Stevo always comes out swinging. I didn't say don't shoot back, I said don't shoot first.

You get a silver star on your report card.

903 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:09:42pm

re: #900 webevintage

Wow!! Fantastic if accurate.

904 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:09:48pm

re: #895 NJDhockeyfan

Someone mentioned Sheryl Crowe's comment about using one square in the bathroom.

Someone else felt the need to defend her.

Pitiful, if that's the extent of the debate. Anyone bring up Code Pink???

(thanks NJD for the response :))

905 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:02pm

re: #900 webevintage

MSNBC just broke in to say that a guy has been taken into custody for the failed NY bombing.

Excellent News!

906 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:03pm

re: #900 webevintage

MSNBC just broke in to say that a guy has been taken into custody for the failed NY bombing.

Just like our mooslim-terrorist-dictatorcommunisocialist state...arresting the cocksucker before Fox news can put together a decent conspiracy theory about how he was a plant by the Obama administration.

907 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:10pm

re: #901 windsagio

Behavioral training doesn't work if you punish all behavior, eh? ;)

Different sorts. I think Bagua was as sick of the fighting as I became. Stevo really relishes it.

908 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:13pm

re: #892 Dark_Falcon

Still sick.

That sucks, dude. Cold? Flu? Gotta rest.

909 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:29pm

re: #900 webevintage

MSNBC just broke in to say that a guy has been taken into custody for the failed NY bombing.

info?

910 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:31pm

re: #904 Stanley Sea

I heard there was this guy once, I think his name was Aggers or something. People liked to talk about him!

911 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:32pm

re: #904 Stanley Sea

Pitiful, if that's the extent of the debate. Anyone bring up Code Pink???

(thanks NJD for the response :))

How many squares does Code Pink allow?

912 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:49pm

re: #860 Dark_Falcon

Those seem fairly reasonable points to me. Not necessarily correct, but not unreasonable either.

I'd like to think Goldberg acts in good faith here, but it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm pretty convinced he employs the usual 2-step method:

1- You use the "socialist" epithet fully knowing the effect the word produces in your audience, namely associations with central planning, nationalized industries, collectivization of production, etc.

2- When you are confronted, you just say "Oh, I didn't mean THAT" and then offer a very weak definition of socialism - sometimes so weak that makes every other President we had effectively a socialist (seat belt laws, increasing the upper bracket of the income tax).

The thing is, even if Goldberg is convinced that his definition is more "correct", why use if he knows it will mislead his readership?

913 windsagio  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:59pm

re: #907 LudwigVanQuixote

of course he does :D

man I wasn't clear, i was referring ot your discussion (obliquely) re: mandy ;)

914 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:11:12pm

re: #898 cliffster

I have a friend with a MIL who keeps posting shit on his Facebook wall. Would it be bad for my friend to de-friend his MIL?

Facebook is dangerous, example #1.

(I had a nubile niece post pics of herself that were no no - finis for moi)

915 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:11:27pm

re: #537 Spare O'Lake

Good evening LGF.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it just a tad odd that the MSM keeps describing the Times Square shirt-changer as "white"; the perp as an "amateur" and a probable "lone wolf"; and various other terms which suggest that the bomber was not a jihadist? And is it just my imagination that, at the same time, MSM seems eager to discount repeated claims of responsibility by jihadist terror groups, particularly several from Pakistan?
I'm all for not rushing to judgement, but still, it smacks just a bit of PC to me.
Please tell me I'm wrong, and that MSM is not showing subtle signs of being in jihadi denial.

Well, the shirt-changer does look to be a white dude on camera. And being white, an amateur and a lone wolf does not prevent you from being a jihadi.

However, the fact that the guy who bought the Pathfinder is apparently Pakistani-born may change the focus a bit.

916 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:11:28pm

Fox still showing the repeat of Hannity and commercials...I'm sure the morning folk at Fox & Friends will mention this arrest in passing.

917 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:12:25pm

re: #912 Nimed

I'd like to think Goldberg acts in good faith here, but it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm pretty convinced he employs the usual 2-step method:

1- You use the "socialist" epithet fully knowing the effect the word produces in your audience, namely associations with central planning, nationalized industries, collectivization of production, etc.

2- When you are confronted, you just say "Oh, I didn't mean THAT" and then offer a very weak definition of socialism - sometimes so weak that makes every other President we had effectively a socialist (seat belt laws, increasing the upper bracket of the income tax).

The thing is, even if Goldberg is convinced that his definition is more "correct", why use if he knows it will mislead his readership?

It is very foolish to think that Jonah Goldberg acts in good faith. He is the father of the Nazis are Leftists meme amongst many other raving idiocies.

918 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:12:40pm

re: #869 NJDhockeyfan

Upding! Absolutely correct. Are dying birds more important than the 11 rig workers?

No they aren't, but nothing can be done about the 11 workers, other than remembering them. The death of birds and other animals, including some necessary for the economic welfare of other humans, is about to take place. Concern for what will happen does not diminish the significance of the deaths of those men.

The death of the men was the result of an accident, they may have hit a gas pocket. That doesn't lessen the loss. The deaths of wildlife and the destruction of many other people's economic welfare looks to be the result of failed safety valves, possibly faulty equipment that should have been examined before being used. BP had previously been fined $83,000,000 for safety violations. It is this tragic indifference to safety that makes the death of men and wildlife more poignant.

919 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:13:04pm

re: #916 darthstar

Fox still showing the repeat of Hannity and commercials...I'm sure the morning folk at Fox & Friends will mention this arrest in passing.

Why? They don't like reporting the news of terrorist arrests or something?

920 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:13:29pm

re: #875 bagua

How's everybody tonight?

Itchy.

921 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:13:59pm

re: #914 Stanley Sea

Facebook is dangerous, example #1.

(I had a nubile niece post pics of herself that were no no - finis for moi)

That is distressing! Link?

922 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:14:02pm

re: #920 b_sharp

It was all the medical stories.

923 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:14:35pm

re: #563 reine.de.tout

Well.
I worked as an HR Director.
And I have a story about a guy who would use the tubes from toilet paper rolls to - - pleasure himself in the bathrooms at work.

Some jobs just have a lot of fun stories.

I'm having some trouble imagining a fun use for those, but, OK...

A friend of mine has a very funny story about a man at a camping event who, apparently unable to find a friend for the evening, had a romantic encounter with a wide-mouthed Mickey's bottle.

He got stuck in it.

924 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:14:39pm

re: #911 NJDhockeyfan

How many squares does Code Pink allow?

They are not relevant! You know that! (3 squares)

925 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:15:01pm

re: #915 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the shirt-changer does look to be a white dude on camera. And being white, an amateur and a lone wolf does not prevent you from being a jihadi.

However, the fact that the guy who bought the Pathfinder is apparently Pakistani-born may change the focus a bit.

I don't know if the Pakistani angle is the correct one. I would have expected a Jihadi to blow himself up with the weapon and not run away.

However, these may be Jihad lite... Who knows?

926 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:15:50pm

re: #897 LudwigVanQuixote

Bagua I have been very good at ignoring for over a month. And Stevo always comes out swinging. I didn't say don't shoot back, I said don't shoot first.

Now look. Mandy got at least two updings from me on the morning thread.

Are you saying that if she brings teh stoopid I'm not allowed to comment unless she addresses it to me personally?

Interesting.

927 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:16:20pm

re: NYC arrest on Nissan bomber - I'm hoping this turns out to be some nutcase fool whose only "international" ties are several attempts at emailing "alqaeda69 at inter dot net" to ask if he should embark upon some kind of terror mission....in other words, your garden-variety American idiot.

I know, I know...the Al Qaeda in Pakistan fucktards were taking responsibility (i.e. shooting for publicity), but I'm hoping that was just posturing and that they don't actually have sleeper agents in the US waiting for their chance to strike. I'm much happier knowing it's our own fuckwits who think a bunch of M-80s and the propane tank from their bbq makes a bomb. Those people we can handle without much worry.

928 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:16:29pm

re: #914 Stanley Sea

Facebook is dangerous, example #1.

(I had a nubile niece post pics of herself that were no no - finis for moi)

Young lady, if there were a Dislike button, I would press it right now.

929 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:16:54pm

re: #919 NJDhockeyfan

Why? They don't like reporting the news of terrorist arrests or something?

Not when it makes the current administration look like it's got its shit together.

930 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:17:17pm

re: #921 Bagua

That is distressing! Link?

Seconded!

931 webevintage  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:17:49pm

re: #909 LudwigVanQuixote

info?

Pakistani-American arrested within the last hour on Long Island, it sounds like he was the guy who bought the SUV.
shazad fazid?
He is from Connecticut.

932 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:18:06pm

re: #926 Cato the Elder

Now look. Mandy got at least two updings from me on the morning thread.

Are you saying that if she brings teh stoopid I'm not allowed to comment unless she addresses it to me personally?

Interesting.

NO I am saying take out teh stupid without attacking her personally, if she continues with the stupid and becomes abrasive then let her have it.

933 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:18:19pm

MSNBC and CNN still covering the breaking news. Fox showing Ann Coulter fellating Hannity over the Arizona immigration law. Give them another 50 minutes...they'll 'break' the story.

934 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:19:41pm

re: #933 darthstar

MSNBC and CNN still covering the breaking news. Fox showing Ann Coulter fellating Hannity over the Arizona immigration law. Give them another 50 minutes...they'll 'break' the story.

Gahhhh....

935 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:20:10pm

re: #914 Stanley Sea

Facebook is dangerous, example #1.

(I had a nubile niece post pics of herself that were no no - finis for moi)

Be a good aunt and tell her to use birth control...and that lots of shitty freaks look for young girls who are willing to share pictures of themselves and she should be careful.

936 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:20:25pm

re: #921 Bagua

That is distressing! Link?

Dang, that's all she needs.

937 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:22:19pm

re: #936 Stanley Sea

Dang, that's all she needs.

Yep, the intertoobs have created a strange new world indeed.

938 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:22:20pm

re: #898 cliffster

I have a friend with a MIL who keeps posting shit on his Facebook wall. Would it be bad for my friend to de-friend his MIL?

Would it be bad? Kinda, but it really depends on his wife's attitude. Why the effing F did he ever get his family (real or by marriage) involved in his social network to start with? How hard is it to ignore a friend request until it expires? ;)

/I still have my old yahoo mail account that I read about once every two or three weeks, that is about the full extant of my "Social networking" currently, I'm finding that I like being "out of touch" quite a lot really.

939 bratwurst  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:22:21pm

re: #933 darthstar

Fox showing Ann Coulter fellating Hannity over the Arizona immigration law.

I still contend the "friendly banter" between Hannity and Greta as she previews her show is the lamest 60 seconds seen on nightly television

940 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:22:45pm

Breaking from NYT tweets: They've arrested suspect from CT in Times sq car bomb plot.

941 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:22:49pm

re: #605 LudwigVanQuixote


The other case was a morbily obese woman who was about 5'4 and over 500 lbs. She had used a feminine hygiene product and lost it.

It took for orderlys to hold bits of her back sufficiently for the brother to go in there and find it.

ATTN: I am about to share TMI. If you do not want to hear about the shortcomings of OB tampons, move along.
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As long as you're being so helpful with the disturbing stories, let me tell you that the 1990s college fad for OB tampons--"they're designed by a WOMAN gynecologist! THey're shaped like YOU!! They don't have big oppressive STRINGS attached to them!!" ended for me when I realized that

a. The nonoppressive string is easy to lose

and

b. the warm advice of generations 'oh, if the string gets lost, just reach up with your fingers and GRAB it!' does not work so well when the tampon in question is one of those little short OB things, and is deeply enough lodged that to 'just grab it' you would need to oppose your thumb and forefinger, which you cannot do because, well, there is no space in which to do it, and your wrist wasn't meant to turn that way anyway.

My BFF kept sticking her head in the dorm bathroom, and asking if I was OK, and I kept saying things like "Sure. Go on to the Rainbowdaughters concert without me. I'll catch up. Goddamn, I may have to go to the ER. Do you think anyone on the hall has any forceps?

Took forty minutes. I went back to Tampax, Your Mother's Oppressive Tampons.

942 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:23:29pm

re: #886 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not trying to cause trouble. Kudos for you for keeping your temper down. A few months ago you would be a raving lunatic by now.

It's just I read stories that say lack of fog in SF is caused by global warming. Then I read heavy fog in SF is caused by global warming. Droughts are caused by global warming, heavy rain is caused by global warming, a busy hurricane season is caused by global warming, a light hurricane season is caused by global warming, light snow winter is caused by global warming, heavy snow winter is caused by global warming, plane crash off the coast of Brazil is caused by global warming, etc...

I just find anything other than 'normal' weather is being blamed on global warming and it just not believable any more.

Both logical models, and numeric models, suggest an upswing in the number and severity of unusual weather patterns. Each time one of those predictions comes true, and I'm talking about the trend not individual weather events, it verifies the models.

Each of the events you see as an individual weather effect adds to the statistical trend, whether up or down. If the event adds to an upward trend it is considered another nail in the coffin, and joins a large number of other nails.

Climatologists are talking about trends, journalists, wrongly, turn those trends into events. So far, journalists are responsible for a large part of the misunderstanding of what climatologists are saying and expect.

943 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:23:37pm

re: #935 darthstar

Be a good aunt and tell her to use birth control...and that lots of shitty freaks look for young girls who are willing to share pictures of themselves and she should be careful.

Seriously, you can get away with saying things that her parents can't...and as an aunt you are more of a concerned friend than an imposing authority figure. I talk very frankly to my nephew (who is a good kid, though a bit of a Hannity fan) and tell him that he needs to remember to call me if he's ever in trouble. He's at that age where whatever his parents say, he acts like it's the Inquisition.

944 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:24:20pm

Yikes, the buyer of the failed Times Square car bomb is "a naturalized U.S. citizen from Pakistan"

sounds suspicious.

945 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:25:14pm

re: #941 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL!

946 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:25:17pm

re: #941 SanFranciscoZionist

life is so fucking easy for men.

947 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:25:38pm

OK, just to lighten the mood, I'm reposting this from the last thread, where someone joked that the Mayflower stopped at Plymouth Rock because they ran out of beer.

Did a little research and found this in an old journal kept by one of the servants of the Saints who travelled 66 days in that creaking tub to get here and give us traditions like Thanksgiving and killing Indians:

"And John Crackstone† did smite ye Rock, and ye Rock did split asunder with a Crack, and Beer and Ale and Honey and Water and Wine and Gin and Whiskey and Mead did spill forth, each from its several Place, and there was much Merrymaking that Night, and nine Months later there was great Increase among ye People and Dogs††."

†Actual name of one of the Saints.

††There were at least two dogs who made the voyage: a female mastiff and a springer spaniel.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

948 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:27:00pm

re: #937 Bagua

Yep, the intertoobs have created a strange new world indeed.

Let me tell you, ole prude I'm not, I was shocked. Typical (you see it all time) young girl taking photo of herself in the bathroom mirror. The bathroom? When they are older they will know. Now? I should print it and show her in ink. She probably wouldn't care.

949 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:27:33pm

re: #917 LudwigVanQuixote

It is very foolish to think that Jonah Goldberg acts in good faith. He is the father of the Nazis are Leftists meme amongst many other raving idiocies.

Ah, but opinions differ on the topic of Jonah's good faith regarding Liberal Fascism.

[Link: yglesias.thinkprogress.org...]
He’s sufficiently vainglorious, out of touch, and egomaniacal that he really does think of the book as a “very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care” and genuinely takes offense at the fact that people are grappling with his scholarship.

950 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:27:40pm

re: #947 Cato the Elder

Rick Santorum was on the Mayflower? (/man-dog love reference)

951 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:28:03pm

Tomorrow is mom's 87th birthday.
I've got a card, a good present, breakfast bearclaw, tiny cake for desert.
What did I forget?
All of her friends are gone, sister & grandkids will call after dinner.

952 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:28:10pm

re: #692 MandyManners

MULTI-CULTI RULES!!!

I can completely understand Cortes' shock and horror when he saw Aztec religious practice in all its gooey glory, but that's an area where, for me, cultural relativism still does get a nod. Back home, they were burning relapsos in public ceremonies in Madrid, and you're gonna freak out about a little--OK, a huge amount--of human sacrifice?

953 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:28:21pm

re: #948 Stanley Sea

Let me tell you, ole prude I'm not, I was shocked. Typical (you see it all time) young girl taking photo of herself in the bathroom mirror. The bathroom? When they are older they will know. Now? I should print it and show her in ink. She probably wouldn't care.

Save it for the slide show at her wedding.
/

954 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:29:13pm

re: #951 Floral Giraffe

Tomorrow is mom's 87th birthday.
I've got a card, a good present, breakfast bearclaw, tiny cake for desert.
What did I forget?
All of her friends are gone, sister & grandkids will call after dinner.

Happy Birthday, Momma FG!!

955 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:29:35pm

re: #886 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not trying to cause trouble. Kudos for you for keeping your temper down. A few months ago you would be a raving lunatic by now.

It's just I read stories that say lack of fog in SF is caused by global warming. Then I read heavy fog in SF is caused by global warming. Droughts are caused by global warming, heavy rain is caused by global warming, a busy hurricane season is caused by global warming, a light hurricane season is caused by global warming, light snow winter is caused by global warming, heavy snow winter is caused by global warming, plane crash off the coast of Brazil is caused by global warming, etc...

I just find anything other than 'normal' weather is being blamed on global warming and it just not believable any more.

Addition.

You may be conflating proximate and ultimate causes. Step back and ask yourself how global warming would affect atmospheric moisture content and then ask how that changed moisture content would affect surface heating, through glacial build up, forest health, and cloud cover.

In politics, the rule is follow the money, in climate the rule is, follow the feedback systems.

956 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:30:16pm

re: #948 Stanley Sea

Let me tell you, ole prude I'm not, I was shocked. Typical (you see it all time) young girl taking photo of herself in the bathroom mirror. The bathroom? When they are older they will know. Now? I should print it and show her in ink. She probably wouldn't care.

Somebody ought to sit her down and explain that negatives can be destroyed, pictures can be burnt...but the internet is forever, and she's going to be applying for jobs someday.

957 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:30:26pm

re: #941 SanFranciscoZionist

Gah, you are the best. Really!! (tears rolling down cheeks)

958 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:30:43pm

BREAKING NEWS: Connecticut Man in Custody for Failed Times Square Car Bomb

12:10AM EST: A man in Connecticut has been taken into custody in connection with the Times Square car bomb case.

No further details have been released about the action which took place just after midnight.

New York police and FBI agents had narrowed their focus on a Pakistani-American — a US citizen — who lives in Connecticut and is believed to have bought online the Nissan Pathfinder that drove into Times Square Saturday night with a bomb.

Investigators know that the man’s name was on an email that was sent to the seller of the SUV last month after they connected on Craigslist, but officials cannot definitively say whether he used his own email or whether someone else sent it from his account.

959 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:30:53pm

re: #955 b_sharp

Addition.

You may be conflating proximate and ultimate causes. Step back and ask yourself how global warming would affect atmospheric moisture content and then ask how that changed moisture content would affect surface heating, through glacial build up, forest health, and cloud cover.

In politics, the rule is follow the money, in climate the rule is, follow the feedback systems.

Yep...we always get a really foggy day after a couple of warm ones...all that moisture in the air has to go somewhere.

960 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:31:38pm

re: #696 Alouette

I think the Aztec and the Mayans had genocidal wars with each other to capture enough prisoners to do the open chest thing. The Aztecs conquered the Mayans (I think) but continued their "proud" heritage.

All the local nations fought wars for prisoners for sacrifice, yeah. It actually bit them in the butt when the Spanish came--their fighting style was focused on clubbing the other guy into semi-consciousness so you could take him prisoner, and the Spanish just killed you right there on the battlefield. New paradigm.

961 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:32:38pm

re: #958 NJDhockeyfan

Dude...that broke a half hour ago. MSNBC still covering...Fox still ignoring. Film at eleven (on local affiliates)

962 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:33:18pm

re: #922 jaunte

It was all the medical stories.

No kidding.

Now to look for scratchy.

963 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:33:22pm

re: #943 darthstar

Seriously, you can get away with saying things that her parents can't...and as an aunt you are more of a concerned friend than an imposing authority figure. I talk very frankly to my nephew (who is a good kid, though a bit of a Hannity fan) and tell him that he needs to remember to call me if he's ever in trouble. He's at that age where whatever his parents say, he acts like it's the Inquisition.

I always present myself as that aunt - the "one to go to" no one has yet, but yeah, I try to say that is what I'm here for.

Now we were talking about my facebook. I bailed after that, no need to police my relative's shit on my page I figured. I don't know, maybe I'm missing out

964 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:33:26pm

re: #737 MandyManners

WIPE YOUR ASS WITH A SPOTTED OWL.

What do you have against spotted owls? Do they crap on you?

OK, they probably would, but not on purpose.

965 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:33:42pm

re: #961 darthstar

Dude...that broke a half hour ago. MSNBC still covering...Fox still ignoring. Film at eleven (on local affiliates)

Dude, it was the only link I could find on this story. Chill out, man. It's not the end of the world.

966 [deleted]  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:33:56pm
967 Silvergirl  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:33:59pm
968 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:34:38pm
969 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:35:06pm

re: #925 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't know if the Pakistani angle is the correct one. I would have expected a Jihadi to blow himself up with the weapon and not run away.

However, these may be Jihad lite... Who knows?

This is a member of the extra incompetent wing. They can't even blow themselves up.

970 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:35:07pm

re: #941 SanFranciscoZionist

- wow, quite a story
- until now, I had assumed you were a dude

971 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:35:07pm

re: #961 darthstar

Dude...that broke a half hour ago. MSNBC still covering...Fox still ignoring. Film at eleven (on local affiliates)

since you've been so Fox-obsessed, I clicked over to Fox. What were they talking about? The arrest in question. Are you watching a DVR'd program?

972 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:35:12pm

re: #941 SanFranciscoZionist

You have yet to discover pink "masons twine" yet? You could have avoided that whole thing while being assured that even if it took 80lbs of pull to remove said object from your body the twine would hold!

/never "lose the string" again...

973 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:35:34pm

re: #951 Floral Giraffe

Tomorrow is mom's 87th birthday.
I've got a card, a good present, breakfast bearclaw, tiny cake for desert.
What did I forget?
All of her friends are gone, sister & grandkids will call after dinner.

You being there is really all that counts. Yeah, true.

974 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:36:07pm

re: #961 darthstar

Dude...that broke a half hour ago. MSNBC still covering...Fox still ignoring. Film at eleven (on local affiliates)

Front page on Fox now, they must have had MSNBC turned off in the news room.

975 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:36:22pm

US Targets Israel as Anti-Nuke Conference Begins

The United States is working with both Egypt and Russia to rid Israel of its nuclear weapons, as part of a comprehensive plan to neutralize Iran’s nuclear power.

Reports of this nature are being reported in various news media. The Guardian (London) reports that the US and Russia have drafted an initiative to ban nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East, while the Wall Street Journal says the Obama Administration is considering support for a “nuclear-free Middle East.”

The Guardian adds that the proposal involves the appointment of a special coordinator to conduct exploratory talks with Israel, Iran and the Arab states, followed by a regional conference. It is to be a central issue at an anti-proliferation United Nations conference beginning Monday in New York.

According to the Wall Street Journal report, the US is strongly considering opposing Israeli nuclear weapons more strongly than it ever has before. However, the US government has, at the same time, sent Jerusalem a message designed to calm Israeli anxieties on the matter, stating that the U.S. would not take such a drastic approach before it sees significant progress in the peace process between Israel and the Arab nations.

976 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:36:33pm

re: #944 Bagua
While Janet Napolitano came out at first and said this was probably an isolated incident, there's a middle east expert who sees a link between the killing of a Taliban leader in Pakistan a warning posted by Al Q'aeda, and the Times Sq incident.... evidently the same ISP or website was used in some chatter about it and the announcement that there would be revenge for the drone killing.
[Link: blog.newsweek.com...]

977 webevintage  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:36:50pm

I have joined the cult of Apple with my purchase of an iPod touch just a few minutes ago.
I love being able to shop online.

Now off to buy a cookbook!

(yes, customers have discovered me again!)

978 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:37:12pm

re: #941 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, you win the story of the night award. I'll have to save my story about why we don't wear loose shirts to the shooting range story for another night.

(Here's a hint: My husband would have had no problem at all.)

979 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:37:26pm

re: #977 webevintage

I have joined the cult of Apple with my purchase of an iPod touch just a few minutes ago.
I love being able to shop online.

Now off to buy a cookbook!

(yes, customers have discovered me again!)

HERETIC!!11!

980 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:38:02pm

re: #966 MikeySDCA

re: #967 Silvergirl

Dudes...that broke a half hour ago. MSNBC still covering...Fox still ignoring. Film at eleven (on local affiliates)

////

981 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:38:03pm

re: #975 NJDhockeyfan

Change! No surprise there.

982 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:38:40pm

re: #977 webevintage

I have joined the cult of Apple with my purchase of an iPod touch just a few minutes ago.

STONE HIM!

983 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:38:51pm

Arrest made in Times Square car bomb plot

An arrest has been made in a failed attempt to set off a car bomb in New York's Times Square over the weekend, a law enforcement official told CNN early Tuesday.
984 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:39:01pm

re: #926 Cato the Elder

Now look. Mandy got at least two updings from me on the morning thread.

Are you saying that if she brings teh stoopid I'm not allowed to comment unless she addresses it to me personally?

Interesting.

He's not trying to tell you to do anything, he's making suggestions backed by anecdotal evidence from his own life showing that it can be done and have not too bad consequences. He's pleading with you, through camaraderie, to follow his lead.

Not the same thing as telling you what to do, or not do, at all.

IMHO.

985 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:39:08pm

re: #809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That helped with the Jewish vote, huh?

The Jews just keep on keeping on voting Democrat. I doubt it made much difference.

986 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:39:08pm

re: #965 NJDhockeyfan

Dude, it was the only link I could find on this story. Chill out, man. It's not the end of the world.

Just giving you shit, NJD...it's worth repeating.

987 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:39:51pm

re: #963 Stanley Sea

Aunt to go to, is the BEST place to be! Kids have a non judgemental adult they can trust, to talk to!

988 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:40:01pm

re: #983 Killgore Trout

Arrest made in Times Square car bomb plot

Dude...that story broke like forty minutes ago...even NJDHF covered it. :)

989 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:40:12pm

re: #821 Cato the Elder

Look, when Mandy gets into all-caps shouting mode, that's not a good sign.

When she makes jokes about wiping your ass on live animals, I'm going to call it what it is: Tourette's Syndrome, or a blog version of same.

Did she say the Spotted Owl should be alive?

990 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:40:18pm

re: #968 Bagua

Gosh, bin Laden living comfortably in Iran.

If true, and his position can be triangulated, I'm for an immediate strike. And we could accidentally-on-purpose take out a few nuke sites while we're at it. And some Iran-sponsored bases in Syria. And a bunch of Scuds in Lebanon.

One-two-three punch. Give it to the brass and tell them to work it out within two weeks.

Let the squawkers squawk and the talkers talk.

991 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:40:43pm

re: #985 SanFranciscoZionist

The Jews just keep on keeping on voting Democrat. I doubt it made much difference.

Joe Lieberman not withstanding.

992 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:41:02pm

re: #977 webevintage

I have joined the cult of Apple with my purchase of an iPod touch just a few minutes ago.
I love being able to shop online.

Now off to buy a cookbook!

(yes, customers have discovered me again!)

Congratulations. Now, don't spend it all! SAVE SOME! Save a LOT!

993 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:41:16pm

re: #988 darthstar

Dude...that story broke like forty minutes ago...even NJDHF covered it. :)

I would have been disappointed if I were the first to link it.

994 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:41:29pm

re: #961 darthstar

LOL. MSNBC president Phil Griffin said (Chicago Trib today, Phil Rosenthal's column,link won't post) that while he believes Fox is evil or something, and he hates 'em, he still has hopes that his network will grow up to be just like them someday....

995 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:41:59pm

re: #989 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think the Spotted Owls are much threatened by potential wipers.

996 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:42:11pm

re: #917 LudwigVanQuixote

It is very foolish to think that Jonah Goldberg acts in good faith. He is the father of the Nazis are Leftists meme amongst many other raving idiocies.

He's not the only one to think that. The British military history magazine Military Illustrated carried an article by author Timothy Newark (brother of Peter Newark, of Peter Newark's Military Pictures). called Hitler Was A Leftist that came out over a year before Goldberg's book was released. I used to hold that article in high regard, before a member my gaming group refuted it quite thoroughly.

997 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:42:20pm

re: #975 NJDhockeyfan

US Targets Israel as Anti-Nuke Conference Begins

That article is self-contradictory, and I am not aware that Arutz Sheva is a reliable Israeli news source.

998 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:42:41pm

re: #993 Killgore Trout

I would have been disappointed if I were the first to link it.

I was monitoring the three major networks...MSNBC and CNN both went to the story. Fox went to a Coulter-Hannity interview. They still haven't mentioned it, though I'm sure it'll come up during their morning show.

999 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:42:55pm

re: #990 Cato the Elder
He's bin laden the dust of Tora Bora or a similar hell hole for years.
There's just no upside to reporting it.

1000 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:43:22pm

re: #990 Cato the Elder

If true, and his position can be triangulated, I'm for an immediate strike. And we could accidentally-on-purpose take out a few nuke sites while we're at it. And some Iran-sponsored bases in Syria. And a bunch of Scuds in Lebanon.

One-two-three punch. Give it to the brass and tell them to work it out within two weeks.

Let the squawkers squawk and the talkers talk.

That has my full endorsement.

1001 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:43:33pm

re: #989 SanFranciscoZionist

Did she say the Spotted Owl should be alive?

Which option is actually grosser? Does it matter?

1002 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:43:34pm

re: #990 Cato the Elder

If true, and his position can be triangulated, I'm for an immediate strike. And we could accidentally-on-purpose take out a few nuke sites while we're at it. And some Iran-sponsored bases in Syria. And a bunch of Scuds in Lebanon.

One-two-three punch. Give it to the brass and tell them to work it out within two weeks.

Let the squawkers squawk and the talkers talk.

Quite Concur.

1003 b_sharp  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:43:36pm

re: #970 Nimed

- wow, quite a story
- until now, I had assumed you were a dude

She is.
A great dude.

1004 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:43:36pm

re: #970 Nimed

- wow, quite a story
- until now, I had assumed you were a dude

It is kinda hard to tell around here, and even once you know the sex you still don't really know how "they swing", best just to treat everyone the same. Unless they email you dirty pictures or something...

1005 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:43:36pm

re: #995 jaunte

I don't think the Spotted Owls are much threatened by potential wipers.

How do you think they got spotted in the first place?

1006 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:43:40pm

re: #994 tradewind

LOL. MSNBC president Phil Griffin said (Chicago Trib today, Phil Rosenthal's column,link won't post) that while he believes Fox is evil or something, and he hates 'em, he still has hopes that his network will grow up to be just like them someday...

Yeah, that made as much sense as selling crack to cops. I think he was talking about having a loyal following, though I wouldn't want Fox fans following me.

1007 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:43:58pm

re: #998 darthstar

I was monitoring the three major networks...MSNBC and CNN both went to the story. Fox went to a Coulter-Hannity interview. They still haven't mentioned it, though I'm sure it'll come up during their morning show.

Uh, dude - I just told you I clicked over to Fox after the 10th time you said that, and what were they talking about? The arrest. What are you smoking?

1008 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:44:06pm

The linkage is wierod. I never knew there were so many Lizards that only played in the Linkage! Many just flogging their own blogs.

1009 engineer cat  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:44:07pm

I heard this biologist on Mike Malloy say that if the oil spill kills off all life in the gulf, it will destroy the biological engine that is BY FAR the largest source of oxygen for this planet.

So, we'd all die.

1010 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:44:07pm

re: #1005 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Low flight?

1011 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:44:29pm

re: #998 darthstar

Seems like it was the Pakistani guy for Connecticut.

1012 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:44:49pm

re: #985 SanFranciscoZionist

The Jews just keep on keeping on voting Democrat. I doubt it made much difference.

Thank God for that.

Continuing my Jonah Goldberg bashing run, he once said: "the white male is the Jew of Liberal Fascism". Yes, really.

1013 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:45:02pm

re: #1006 darthstar
Did you read it?
He didn't sound equivocal.
More like ' Roger Ailes is my hero '.
In a wistful sort of way.

1014 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:45:33pm

re: #1007 cliffster

Uh, dude - I just told you I clicked over to Fox after the 10th time you said that, and what were they talking about? The arrest. What are you smoking?

Hm...I must have missed it...I still see Hannity spewing shit.

1015 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:45:39pm

GO NYPD!

1016 bratwurst  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:45:50pm

re: #1007 cliffster

Uh, dude - I just told you I clicked over to Fox after the 10th time you said that, and what were they talking about? The arrest. What are you smoking?

To be fair, they are just giving periodic break-ins during the repeat of Hannity while CNN has switched to wall-to-wall.

1017 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:46:27pm

re: #997 Cato the Elder

That article is self-contradictory, and I am not aware that Arutz Sheva is a reliable Israeli news source.

I'm not familiar with the media in Israel. I've never seen Arutz Sheva challenged for truth on any of their stories. Maybe they have but I haven't seen it. If I am mistaken let me know and I won't post stories from them any more.

1018 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:46:59pm

re: #1011 Killgore Trout

Seems like it was the Pakistani guy for Connecticut.

My wife's from Connecticut...and she's sleeping soundly beside me. If he's Pakistani, he's not from Connecticut. He might live there, but he's not FROM there.
/end spousal defensiveness.

1019 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:47:45pm

re: #873 ausador

They abandoned continuity for jar-jar-binks and other cutesey shit, the movies completely sucked and no one that I know denies that. Hell the minute they introduced Jar-Jar as a lead character I knew it was doomed.

The "Force" turned into how many chloro- watchjamacallits you had infesting you and hence became pointless. So the moral is that the parasites win? No? Well then I am kinda confused?

Just thank your lucky stars that they gae it up after six movies instead of the original nine that were discussed. I don't even want to think about how silly those final three would have gotten, they would probably have had Shrek and the effing donkey giving advice to the young Jedis or something equally as stupid.

I've said it before, I will say it again: any planet that elects a fourteen-year-old girl as its ruler on purpose deserves whatever it gets.

1020 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:47:56pm

re: #998 darthstar

I was monitoring the three major networks...MSNBC and CNN both went to the story. Fox went to a Coulter-Hannity interview. They still haven't mentioned it, though I'm sure it'll come up during their morning show.

I put Fox on when you mentioned it the first time. They've already broke in for updates on the story twice.

1021 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:47:57pm

re: #998 darthstar

I was monitoring the three major networks...MSNBC and CNN both went to the story. Fox went to a Coulter-Hannity interview. They still haven't mentioned it, though I'm sure it'll come up during their morning show.

Fox gets angry calls if they break in on some interviews. And its worth remembering that they'll still have more viewers of that rerun than either MSNBC or CNN will with live coverage.

1022 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:48:50pm

re: #1009 engineer dog
And in a really strange position for them to take ( usually they default to the Chicken Little mode), the NYTimes is hedging around saying hey, spill may not be all that...
Someone must have been sniffing too much printing ink.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

1023 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:48:50pm

re: #1009 engineer dog

OMG. We're all gonna die!
CHICKEN LITTLE WAS RIGHT!
*runs around in circles screaming*
Not.

1024 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:48:54pm

AH! THE PAIN!

ICE CREAM MOUTH!

1025 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:49:03pm

re: #1019 SanFranciscoZionist

I've said it before, I will say it again: any planet that elects a fourteen-year-old girl as its ruler on purpose deserves whatever it gets.

I blow up Naboo, along with Endor, with the Death Star every time I play Empire at War.

1026 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:49:45pm

re: #1019 SanFranciscoZionist

I've said it before, I will say it again: any planet that elects a fourteen-year-old girl as its ruler on purpose deserves whatever it gets.

Just wait until she...
Never mind.

1027 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:50:12pm

re: #1018 darthstar

Big Connectitastan is ripping us off!

1028 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:50:39pm

re: #890 The Shadow Do

Romantic? How the hell do they get any traction?

The male wraps around the female somehow, with his tail perhaps, I don't recall. They manage, apparently, because there are always new dragonflies.

1029 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:50:46pm

re: #1025 Varek Raith

I blow up Naboo, along with Endor, with the Death Star every time I play Empire at War.

I'd like to have an Ewok coat...softer than mink, I hear.

1030 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:50:57pm

re: #1025 Varek Raith

I blow up Naboo, along with Endor, with the Death Star every time I play Empire at War.

And then you make sure that nothing survives to Jedi Temple by nuking it from orbit. >:D

1031 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:51:04pm

re: #1016 bratwurst
Since CNN doesn't have any on-air personalities (excepting Anderson Cooper ) with any following , they pretty much default to wall to wall.

1032 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:51:09pm

re: #1021 Dark_Falcon

Fox gets angry calls if they break in on some interviews. And its worth remembering that they'll still have more viewers of that rerun than either MSNBC or CNN will with live coverage.

I don't understand the obsession with fox News. I really don't pay attention to what the various news channels put on. I just watch them and see what they have to say.

BTW...Fox is doing the update right now.

1033 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:51:37pm

re: #1028 SanFranciscoZionist

The male wraps around the female somehow, with his tail perhaps, I don't recall. They manage, apparently, because there are always new dragonflies.

They hook up, and fly united.

1034 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:51:55pm

re: #904 Stanley Sea

Pitiful, if that's the extent of the debate. Anyone bring up Code Pink???

(thanks NJD for the response :))

I do not want to know anything at all about Medea Benjamin's use of toilet paper. I have limits.

1035 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:52:02pm

They caught the guy trying to board a plane at JFK?

1036 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:52:09pm

Last name ever, first name greatest
Like a sprained ankle boy, I ain't nothin to play wit
Started off local but thanks to all the haters
I know G-4 pilots on a first name basis

1037 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:52:27pm

re: #1034 SanFranciscoZionist

I do not want to know anything at all about Medea Benjamin's use of toilet paper. I have limits.

She only uses pink TP.

1038 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:52:29pm

re: #900 webevintage

MSNBC just broke in to say that a guy has been taken into custody for the failed NY bombing.

Rock on!! Is it the same guy they've been talking about, who bought the vehicle on Craigslist?

1039 cliffster  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:53:10pm

re: #1036 cliffster

1040 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:53:28pm

re: #1032 NJDhockeyfan

I don't understand the obsession with fox News. I really don't pay attention to what the various news channels put on. I just watch them and see what they have to say.

BTW...Fox is doing the update right now.

Yep...watching now. They so rarely actually report the news it's kind of fun to watch them to see what they're saying, and how they're framing it.

Last time I turned on Fox was during a presidential speech...they spent 40 minutes following a free-way chase in Texas where the guy already had one flat tire due to police spikes in the road...

1041 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:53:45pm

re: #941 SanFranciscoZionist

ATTN: I am about to share TMI. If you do not want to hear about the shortcomings of OB tampons, move along.
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As long as you're being so helpful with the disturbing stories, let me tell you that the 1990s college fad for OB tampons--"they're designed by a WOMAN gynecologist! THey're shaped like YOU!! They don't have big oppressive STRINGS attached to them!!" ended for me when I realized that

a. The nonoppressive string is easy to lose

and

b. the warm advice of generations 'oh, if the string gets lost, just reach up with your fingers and GRAB it!' does not work so well when the tampon in question is one of those little short OB things, and is deeply enough lodged that to 'just grab it' you would need to oppose your thumb and forefinger, which you cannot do because, well, there is no space in which to do it, and your wrist wasn't meant to turn that way anyway.

My BFF kept sticking her head in the dorm bathroom, and asking if I was OK, and I kept saying things like "Sure. Go on to the Rainbowdaughters concert without me. I'll catch up. Goddamn, I may have to go to the ER. Do you think anyone on the hall has any forceps?

Took forty minutes. I went back to Tampax, Your Mother's Oppressive Tampons.

Wow... I am sorry and that is different.

Does BFF stand for Best Female Friend?

1042 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:54:09pm

Felony Charges For Two Alleged Attackers of White Separatists


Police have booked two people who allegedly attacked members of a white separatist anarchist group at Saturday's San Francisco immigration march. The pair have been hit with felony counts of assault with a deadly weapon, robbery, and conspiracy. The alleged attackers also were booked into jail on misdemeanor charges of interfering with free speech. The district attorney's office has not yet made a charging decision in the case.

Donnell Allen, a 42-year-old black San Francisco resident, and Kelsey Musgrove, a 19-year-old white female from Pittsburgh, Penn., were arrested on Saturday after an alleged attack on four Bay Area National Anarchists while the self-professed white separatists were leaving a counter-protest of the immigration reform rally in Civic Center Plaza. Police say the suspects were wearing all-black clothing.

This isn't Allen's first brush with the law. News reports indicate he was also arrested back in December during an attack on UC Berkeley chancellor Robert Birgeneau's campus residence.

John Hamasaki, the attorney for Musgrove, says she was in San Francisco checking out massage therapy schools. "She's never been arrested, never been in trouble, she's not one of these people that society needs to be worried about."

A third suspect, anarchist theorist Andre Grubacic, a 34-year-old white San Francisco resident, was detained but released at the scene after the victims said he wasn't part of attack. (The more common spelling of Grubacic's first name is Andrej.) A fourth suspect, an unknown white male, pedaled away on a bicycle before the cops could catch him.

1043 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:54:25pm

re: #1037 NJDhockeyfan

She only uses pink TP.

1044 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:55:05pm

Times Square bomb suspect arrested
I sure hope he isn't waterboarded.
/

1045 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:55:25pm

re: #1030 Dark_Falcon

And then you make sure that nothing survives to Jedi Temple by nuking it from orbit. >:D

Lightsabers, good for blocking blasters. Flechette launchers and flamethrowers, not so much.

My crew played a smuggler/hunter campaign.

1046 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:55:45pm

re: #1042 NJDhockeyfan

Felony Charges For Two Alleged Attackers of White Separatists

Let me ask you why you posted this....For the law and order aspect? Support of the victims? Support of the perps? Really, why?

1047 avanti  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:55:46pm

CNN, is still wall to wall on the story, Fox is now on it.

1048 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:55:48pm

re: #855 Dark_Falcon
How about this one: Why POTUS catches no flak for his apparent inability to correctly pronounce 'Massachusetts '. He says ' Massa too-setts. '
Really, it's no trickier than ' nuclear '.
Since my Dad does the same damn thing, it doesn't really bother me, but I'm just sayin'.......

1049 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:55:49pm

re: #1044 Killgore Trout

Times Square bomb suspect arrested
I sure hope he isn't waterboarded.
/

Bamboo shoots under the finger nails would be better.

1050 Nimed  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:56:49pm

re: #1019 SanFranciscoZionist

I've said it before, I will say it again: any planet that elects a fourteen-year-old girl as its ruler on purpose deserves whatever it gets.

Better a fourteen-year-old girl than Jonah Goldberg.

1051 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:56:51pm

re: #1046 Stanley Sea

Let me ask you why you posted this...For the law and order aspect? Support of the victims? Support of the perps? Really, why?

Why do you care? Do you have a comment on the story or are you trying to make me the subject of ridicule here?

1052 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:57:00pm

re: #1041 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow... I am sorry and that is different.

Does BFF stand for Best Female Friend?

BFF = Best Friend Forever

1053 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:57:01pm

re: #1042 NJDhockeyfan

Felony Charges For Two Alleged Attackers of White Separatists

Stop oppressing the White Separatists! Funny how only the black guy got arrested, and the victims said the white guys had nothing to do with it.

1054 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:57:37pm

re: #1049 NJDhockeyfan

Bamboo shoots under the finger nails would be better.

strapped to a chair, eyes wired open and forced to watch Uwe Boll movies

1055 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:57:51pm

re: #911 NJDhockeyfan

How many squares does Code Pink allow?

That's a personal decision, but they'd like you to use your use, whatever it is, to make a point about how wasteful we are of toilet paper in the U.S., compared to women in Iraq and Palestine who are being deprived of toilet paper by international imperialism.

Also, they'd like you to donate to a fund that's going to break the blockade and bring toilet paper to starving Palestinian children, at least it will if Egypt will let them through this time.

Did you know that the Israeli government reserves quilted, high-quality toilet paper for Jews only? Caryl Churchill is writing a play about it.

1056 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:57:51pm

re: #1048 tradewind

How about this one: Why POTUS catches no flak for his apparent inability to correctly pronounce 'Massachusetts '. He says ' Massa too-setts. '
Really, it's no trickier than ' nuclear '.
Since my Dad does the same damn thing, it doesn't really bother me, but I'm just sayin'...

LOL! Dad, who was born there, always called it "Massa TWO shits.

1057 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:57:54pm

re: #1009 engineer dog

I heard this biologist on Mike Malloy say that if the oil spill kills off all life in the gulf, it will destroy the biological engine that is BY FAR the largest source of oxygen for this planet.

So, we'd all die.

In other words he is a hack that doesn't know what he is talking about, the Gulf of Mexico is already a polluted cesspool with a hugh "dead zones" around the outflows of the nitrogen polluted rivers flowing into it.

If someone says this oil spill is going to unalterably affect the balance or that it will have a large effect on the planet they are full of shit.

(sorry but true)

1058 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:58:06pm

re: #1017 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not familiar with the media in Israel. I've never seen Arutz Sheva challenged for truth on any of their stories. Maybe they have but I haven't seen it. If I am mistaken let me know and I won't post stories from them any more.

Someone better informed than I am can comment on Arutz Sheva. I merely said I've never seen them quoted by people I trust.

As for that specific article, it says:

According to the Wall Street Journal report, the US is strongly considering opposing Israeli nuclear weapons more strongly than it ever has before. However, the US government has, at the same time, sent Jerusalem a message designed to calm Israeli anxieties on the matter, stating that the U.S. would not take such a drastic approach before it sees significant progress in the peace process between Israel and the Arab nations.

In other words, if anything it's innocuous talk-talk designed to sooth the ears of people at the non-proliferation conference, while at the same time it's never going to happen until pigs fly and imams no longer blame the Jews for everything from AIDS to Zyklon B and zymurgy. It's another "Obama's coming for Israel" crock-o'-shite of the Atlas Shrieks school.

Even if Hillary sent a memo to Bibi tomorrow demanding "nukes-be-gone", it would have no effect. None. Nada. Zip.

And she's not going to do that, period.

1059 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:58:28pm

Oil Spill Update.

BP might try to remove the Lower Marine Riser Package (LMRP) and stack another BOP to stop the leak.

1060 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:58:34pm

re: #1051 NJDhockeyfan

Why do you care? Do you have a comment on the story or are you trying to make me the subject of ridicule here?

I just wonder - why would you post something without an angle. Everyone has an angle, I'm curious to what yours is in this instance.

1061 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:58:34pm

re: #1054 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

strapped to a chair, eyes wired open and forced to watch Uwe Boll movies

THIS.
IN FACT, SEND UWE BOLL TO GITMO.

1062 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:58:40pm

re: #1018 darthstar

My wife's from Connecticut...and she's sleeping soundly beside me. If he's Pakistani, he's not from Connecticut. He might live there, but he's not FROM there.
/end spousal defensiveness.

Nobody is from New England who wasn't born there.

1063 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:58:42pm

Greta "I just bit into a turd" Van Susteren now giving her expert opinion on this story...okay...ten o'clock-ish...time for bed.

Good-night all.

1064 jaunte  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:58:59pm

Goodnight all. Remember to buy an LGF cookbook. In fact, buy several, as gifts, 'cause LGF and Soldiers' Angels each receive only $2.50 from a sale.


"I did toy with the idea of doing a cook-book. . . . I think a lot of people who hate literature but love fried eggs would buy it if the price was right."
Groucho Marx
1065 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:59:04pm

re: #1053 darthstar

Stop oppressing the White Separatists! Funny how only the black guy got arrested, and the victims said the white guys had nothing to do with it.

I really don't understand why anyone would want to attend these protests in San Francisco. It seems like there is always violence involved. I could see this progressing until someone gets seriously hurt.

1066 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 9:59:28pm

re: #1040 darthstar
Blame CNN, originator of the Real Time White Bronco style of reportage....
[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

1067 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:00:06pm

re: #1049 NJDhockeyfan

Bamboo shoots under the finger nails would be better.

no, that causes permanent injury. Waterboarding breaks the terrorist for interrogation, but does not maim him for life. It's the better method. But he's an American citizen, so the question is moot. We cannot use Extreme Measures with one of our own.

1068 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:02:05pm

re: #1053 darthstar

Stop oppressing the White Separatists! Funny how only the black guy got arrested, and the victims said the white guys had nothing to do with it.

Yep, that's what I read too. please.

1069 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:02:46pm

re: #1051 NJDhockeyfan

Why do you care? Do you have a comment on the story or are you trying to make me the subject of ridicule here?

No danger of that. Nope, none at all.

1070 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:02:47pm

re: #1060 Stanley Sea

I just wonder - why would you post something without an angle. Everyone has an angle, I'm curious to what yours is in this instance.

Sorry for jumping on you. I just found it interesting ...white separatist anarchists attacked by immigration protesters.

1071 Silvergirl  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:03:04pm

re: #1044 Killgore Trout

Times Square bomb suspect arrested
I sure hope he isn't waterboarded.
/

Anything could happen now that the White House is actually using the t-t-t-t-t-t-word.

"I think anybody that has the type of material that they had in a car in Times Square, I would say that that was intended to terrorize. Absolutely," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said when asked by Fox News how the White House would categorize the incident. "And I would say that whoever did that would be categorized as a terrorist. Yes."

1072 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:03:46pm

re: #1063 darthstar

Greta "I just bit into a turd" Van Susteren now giving her expert opinion on this story...okay...ten o'clock-ish...time for bed.

Good-night all.

For someone who hates Fox News so much, you certainly watch it a lot.

1073 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:03:55pm

re: #1067 Dark_Falcon
Somehow I bet'cha that after this Gitmo is going to remain open just a little while longer than promised.
Oh wait....
Okay, make that a lot longer.

1074 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:04:22pm

re: #1059 Bagua

For those interested, the Blow Out Preventer is typically divided into a lower blowout preventer stack and a lower marine riser package (which is what BP may try to remove.) The whole unit weighs about five to eight hundred thousand pounds. It works great when the valve actually closes, unlike this incident.

1075 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:05:03pm

re: #1071 Silvergirl
Wow. I can't even imagine the pain that admission must have caused Mr Gibbs.

1076 darthstar  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:05:21pm

re: #1072 NJDhockeyfan

For someone who hates Fox News so much, you certainly watch it a lot.

No, I rarely watch it, but usually so I can hear shit like Greta just now saying, "Look at the 168 people killed in the World Trade Center in Oklahoma." Seriously, she said that.

1077 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:06:01pm

re: #1065 NJDhockeyfan

I really don't understand why anyone would want to attend these protests in San Francisco. It seems like there is always violence involved. I could see this progressing until someone gets seriously hurt.

You should have seen the news clips on CNN when the prison tattooed shaved head white supremacists showed up, the cops had their hands full trying to get them out alive while the crowd was chasing, kicking, spitting, throwing things, and generally trying to mess them up.

I LOLed...

1078 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:06:10pm

re: #1073 tradewind

Somehow I bet'cha that after this Gitmo is going to remain open just a little while longer than promised.
Oh wait...
Okay, make that a lot longer.

Quite Concur.

1079 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:06:34pm

re: #1076 darthstar

No, I rarely watch it, but usually so I can hear shit like Greta just now saying, "Look at the 168 people killed in the World Trade Center in Oklahoma." Seriously, she said that.

Man, that's dumb. Now I know how George Washington felt when Napoleon defeated him a Pearl Harbor.
/

1080 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:06:37pm

re: #1075 tradewind

Wow. I can't even imagine the pain that admission must have caused Mr Gibbs.

The Pakistani terrorist botched the explosive mechanism and averted a man-made disaster.

1081 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:07:11pm

re: #1075 tradewind

Wow. I can't even imagine the pain that admission must have caused Mr Gibbs.

What a truly idiotic thing to say.

1082 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:07:16pm

re: #958 NJDhockeyfan

BREAKING NEWS: Connecticut Man in Custody for Failed Times Square Car Bomb

Well, hell. I was really hoping it would be the head of Revolution Muslim.

1083 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:07:52pm

re: #1075 tradewind

Wow. I can't even imagine the pain that admission must have caused Mr Gibbs.

blah blah blah.

You will not be happy till your GOP dude is in the house. Until then, keep trying to place your emotions on others.

Boring

1084 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:08:33pm

re: #1044 Killgore Trout
Just Mirandize him first.//

1085 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:08:43pm

re: #1075 tradewind

Wow. I can't even imagine the pain that admission must have caused Mr Gibbs.

About as hard as the GOP calling the man who flew a plane into the IRS building a terrorist...

1086 Gus  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:09:17pm

re: #1084 tradewind

Just Mirandize him first.//

You do realize he's an American citizen.

1087 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:09:45pm

re: #968 Bagua

Gosh, bin Laden living comfortably in Iran.

Well, that's either really interesting, or total bullshit, or both.

1088 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:09:53pm

I can play stupid games too!
:P

1089 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:10:00pm

re: #1080 NJDhockeyfan
I like that even better than ' man caused disaster '.

1090 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:10:22pm

re: #969 b_sharp

This is a member of the extra incompetent wing. They can't even blow themselves up.

He. Bought. The. Wrong. Kind. Of. Fertilizer.

That just says it all.

1091 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:10:49pm

re: #1085 Varek Raith

About as hard as the GOP calling the man who flew a plane into the IRS building in Texas a terrorist...

Failedy fail fail!

1092 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:10:54pm

re: #1082 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, hell. I was really hoping it would be the head of Revolution Muslim.

He was in Times Square at the same time the bomb was discovered.

A Queens Islamic group that warned the creators of "South Park" of retaliation for lampooning the Prophet Muhammed denied involvement Sunday in the Times Square bomb plot.

Younus Abdullah Muhammed, who runs the Web site RevolutionMuslim.com, said he was in Times Square at the time the car bomb was discovered, but he insisted he was not involved in the botched bombing.

"What do you think, I commanded somebody to blow up a building in the middle of Times Square?" a testy Muhammed told the Daily News.

1093 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:10:57pm

re: #1086 Gus 802
Of course. Otherwise, I'd have wished him a one way ticket to say, Cairo for questioning.

1094 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:11:38pm

As of tonight, I consider NJDhockeyfan and Tradewind both to be trolls.

1095 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:11:53pm

re: #1088 Varek Raith

I can play stupid games too!
:P

Like "Poke yourself in the eye" and "Don't whiz on the electric fence"?

1096 Silvergirl  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:12:10pm

re: #1094 Cato the Elder

As of tonight, I consider NJDhockeyfan and Tradewind both to be trolls.

The Great Oz has proclaimed it.

1097 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:12:22pm

re: #1095 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like "Poke yourself in the eye" and "Don't whiz on the electric fence"?

Hitting bombs with hammers is a blast!

1098 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:12:34pm

re: #997 Cato the Elder

That article is self-contradictory, and I am not aware that Arutz Sheva is a reliable Israeli news source.

Arutz Sheva is a little excitable. I'd check what Ynet or the JPost has to say before taking one of their stories at face value.

1099 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:12:48pm

re: #1096 Silvergirl

The Great Oz has proclaimed it.

And I consider you to be on the margin.

1100 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:13:13pm

re: #1096 Silvergirl

The Great Oz has proclaimed it.

LOL....pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

1101 Silvergirl  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:13:20pm

re: #1096 Silvergirl

The Great Oz has proclaimed it.

Oh dear. Do I get another poem?

1102 Bagua  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:13:31pm

re: #1098 SanFranciscoZionist

Arutz Sheva is a little excitable. I'd check what Ynet or the JPost has to say before taking one of their stories at face value.

The article looks derivative of the content in WSJ and al-Gruniad.

1103 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:14:16pm

re: #1095 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like "Poke yourself in the eye" and "Don't whiz on the electric fence"?

Have you personally tried them?

1104 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:14:20pm

re: #1094 Cato the Elder
'Let the word go forth throughout the land.....'//
Or something.

1105 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:14:39pm

re: #1099 Cato the Elder

And I consider you to be on the margin.

Nobody cares what you think of them. Really, we don't.

1106 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:15:34pm

re: #1099 Cato the Elder
Better than on the pipe.//

1107 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:16:51pm

re: #1017 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not familiar with the media in Israel. I've never seen Arutz Sheva challenged for truth on any of their stories. Maybe they have but I haven't seen it. If I am mistaken let me know and I won't post stories from them any more.

I wouldn't say don't post from them, but they don't carry as much weight with me as some other sources. For me, if I see at A7, I'll go see what the JPost has to say.

Baruch atah Adonai, hama'ariv aravim.
Blessed are you, Lord, who brings evening papers to the Arabs.

1108 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:17:03pm

re: #1094 Cato the Elder

As of tonight, I consider NJDhockeyfan and Tradewind both to be trolls.

May I ask why? I'm not going to downding you, but I would like to understand your reasoning.

1109 Kragar  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:17:06pm

re: #1103 Floral Giraffe

Have you personally tried them?

No, I played games like "Empty your room into the hall" and "Hurricane watch"

1110 Varek Raith  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:18:48pm

re: #1109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, I played games like "Empty your room into the hall" and "Hurricane watch"

Not as fun as "keep the anti-matter in the EM field"!

1111 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:19:29pm

re: #1041 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow... I am sorry and that is different.

Does BFF stand for Best Female Friend?

Best Friend Forever. It is an Oprah-ism.

1112 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:19:42pm

re: #1092 NJDhockeyfan

He was in Times Square at the same time the bomb was discovered.

A Queens Islamic group that warned the creators of "South Park" of retaliation for lampooning the Prophet Muhammed denied involvement Sunday in the Times Square bomb plot.

Younus Abdullah Muhammed, who runs the Web site RevolutionMuslim.com, said he was in Times Square at the time the car bomb was discovered, but he insisted he was not involved in the botched bombing.

"What do you think, I commanded somebody to blow up a building in the middle of Times Square?" a testy Muhammed told the Daily News.

No, but you encourage and justify it, you Islamist shithead.

1113 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:20:15pm

re: #1042 NJDhockeyfan

Felony Charges For Two Alleged Attackers of White Separatists

Yikes. I haven't been watching the local news this weekend.

1114 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:20:36pm

re: #1108 Dark_Falcon

May I ask why? I'm not going to downding you, but I would like to understand your reasoning.

I'll respond!

When Trade posts a comment on how Obama pronounces Massachusetts

And a comment on what Press Sec. Gibbs is really thinking

Well, the pattern is there.

(Churchill statue removed from Oval Office - earlier post - not looking up, afraid of where it will take me)

1116 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:21:43pm

re: #1114 Stanley Sea

I'll respond!

When Trade posts a comment on how Obama pronounces Massachusetts

And a comment on what Press Sec. Gibbs is really thinking

Well, the pattern is there.

(Churchill statue removed from Oval Office - earlier post - not looking up, afraid of where it will take me)

I don't see that as trolling.

1117 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:24:23pm

re: #1116 Dark_Falcon

I don't see that as trolling.

Maybe not trolling...but continually planting fear seeds, yes.

Fear is not a good attribute. You are not thinking clearly when you are fearful

1118 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:24:49pm

re: #1108 Dark_Falcon

May I ask why? I'm not going to downding you, but I would like to understand your reasoning.

Tradewind for these two comments:

re: #1075 tradewind

Wow. I can't even imagine the pain that admission must have caused Mr Gibbs.

And:

re: #1084 tradewind

Just Mirandize him first.//

NJD for this one:

re: #1032 NJDhockeyfan

I don't understand the obsession with fox News. I really don't pay attention to what the various news channels put on. I just watch them and see what they have to say.

and for supporting Tradewind in her trolling.

1119 Silvergirl  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:24:51pm

re: #1108 Dark_Falcon

May I ask why? I'm not going to downding you, but I would like to understand your reasoning.

Maybe because he's trying to quit smoking and he's on edge. Or maybe because it's Monday. Maybe he has heartburn. It could be a whim or it could be the beginning of a Cato campaign to banish anyone he deems trolls.

1120 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:27:12pm

re: #1119 Silvergirl

Maybe because he's trying to quit smoking and he's on edge. Or maybe because it's Monday. Maybe he has heartburn. It could be a whim or it could be the beginning of a Cato campaign to banish anyone he deems trolls.

I have no power to banish anyone, and campaigns bore me. I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.

1121 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:27:37pm

re: #1119 Silvergirl

Maybe because he's trying to quit smoking and he's on edge. Or maybe because it's Monday. Maybe he has heartburn. It could be a whim or it could be the beginning of a Cato campaign to banish anyone he deems trolls.

No, I see Cato's point completely.

Keep stirring doubt and fear, it is the stronger of the emotions.

1122 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:27:51pm

re: #1065 NJDhockeyfan

I really don't understand why anyone would want to attend these protests in San Francisco. It seems like there is always violence involved. I could see this progressing until someone gets seriously hurt.

It's usually a very specific group causing trouble, when there is any, and the cops are very, very good at this. Years of practice.

That said, I have no sympathy for people who resort to fighting at demos, and I have no sympathy for the Nazi freaks they beat up. So, meh.

1123 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:29:42pm

re: #1122 SanFranciscoZionist

It's usually a very specific group causing trouble, when there is any, and the cops are very, very good at this. Years of practice.

That said, I have no sympathy for people who resort to fighting at demos, and I have no sympathy for the Nazi freaks they beat up. So, meh.

I think they show up at the opposition's protests and egg on the other side.

1124 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:30:02pm

re: #1117 Stanley Sea
I can haz plant fear seeds?
/flexing new powers/

1125 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:30:30pm

re: #1118 Cato the Elder

[GAZE]

1126 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:31:31pm

re: #1118 Cato the Elder

and for supporting Tradewind in her trolling.

I don't agree with your categorization, but I'm updinging you for giving a clear, sourced, answer. I appreciate that.

1127 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:32:55pm

re: #1123 NJDhockeyfan

I think they show up at the opposition's protests and egg on the other side.

Yeah, it was a counter-demo.

1128 engineer cat  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:33:29pm

re: #1022 tradewind

oil spill

well, i'm really happy to read all the experts in the NYT saying that it's no biggie. the whole thing is way out of my range of competences anyway, so all i know is what i read in the papers and hear on th' raddio

1129 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:33:59pm

re: #1124 tradewind

I can haz plant fear seedz?
/flexing new powers/

Correction to proper LOLCat.

1130 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:53:22pm

re: #1128 engineer dog
Replied more or less on the thread upstairs.
I wasn't pimping the NYT article. I was mocking it.

1131 tradewind  Mon, May 3, 2010 10:57:06pm

re: #1083 Stanley Sea
Still trying to figure out how one places ones' emotions on another..../
Stanley, unclench. You're safety-wired to the offended position.


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