RedState.com’s Erickson: Hear Me Now, We Are Insurrecting

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This is what passes for “commentary” on the new, righter than right wing, as Erick Erickson puts on his most stilted pseudo-intellectual language and pens a semi-literate boast about how he and his friends are going to take over the conservative movement: The Great Disentangling Has Begun: What Bob Bennett’s Defeat Means and Does Not.

Pay attention now you media types who look for great meaning in all things considered. Sometimes you must confront the bold truths you do not naturally recognize because you have been trained up in the ways of a lazier time, an old reality when you could get by with simple shortcuts, and no one would call you on it.

Your shibboleths are crumbling around you and you grasp it not. As you struggle to interpret what the tea parties do and do not mean, you media types and others are getting Utah all wrong.

It’s not about a purge. It’s about an insurrection.

Your verbs and nouns are all mixed up, Erick Son of Erick, and your metaphors are clumsy, yet you graspeth it not. The GOP is turning over the reins of power to hate-filled, dim people like you, and it is the death knell of American conservatism.

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206 comments
1 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:42:56am

I grasp the word BOOGA while you grasp it not!!

2 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:44:26am

Shibboleths can't crumble. They're not big rocks. Shibboleth was a particular word that the Gileadites could pronounce, but the Ephraimites could not. Thus, it served as a sort of cultural password.

I kind of get his awkward meaning-- that the rules of the political game are changing-- but they're really not. It's almost ironic, given that you can identify a lot of tea-party types by their own shibboleths.

3 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:45:05am

Funny how much insurrection looks like trolling for book deals and speaker's fees nowadays. Fries and Shay must be turning in their graves.

4 Randall Gross  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:45:38am

Yea verily.

5 Varek Raith  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:46:13am

Erickson, your are a festizio!
See, I can make up words too!
/Peter Griffin

6 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:46:42am

Does Erickson actually think he's a good writer or something? Jesus, that's sloppy. No wonder CNN hired him.

7 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:47:05am

Who is Erick Erickson?

8 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:47:19am

re: #5 Varek Raith

Erickson, your are a festizio!
See, I can make up words too!
/Peter Griffin

Boppity Boopie!

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:47:20am

re: #6 darthstar

Does Erickson actually think he's a good writer or something? Jesus, that's sloppy. No wonder CNN hired him.

Eye right good two.
/

10 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:47:49am

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

One of those liberals in the mainstream media.

/

11 Summer Seale  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:47:56am

Oh ye Erick, son of Erick, know ye not that ye shibboleth is naught but myth and fantasy, as is ye tea party which, yea verily, shall flounder and fail as any other legend of yore based not in fact but in imagination.

Know ye Erick, son of Erick, that it is Fafnir who devoureth all the world at Ending, afore Mjolnir slays him by Thor's hand in the final battle upon which all is consumed. And ye tea parties shall have vanished in flames long afore that time for the fire giants knoweth not ye shibboleths or other citations of false gods and other grandiose and fluffy stuffs.

Know ye Erick, son of Erick, that ye shall repent for ye shall never reach Asgard. And not even ye +20 Longsword of Revolution shall find ye comfort as ye are cast down into the pit and a dungeon in the deepest pits of Hel (not Hell) wherein Loki shall torment ye the traitor's torment for the rest of eternity until the Twilight reigns supreme.

Amen.

12 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:48:00am

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

Who is Erick Erickson?

It's actually Erick Erecksion...it's a porn name for some fat pasty-white dude who thinks his shit doesn't stink.

13 Diamond Bullet  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:48:03am

I thought a shibboleth was a kind of gazebo with a bbq platform attachment. Talking about my backyard is going to be awkward come NFL season.

14 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:49:12am

Could be worse...it could be a Spanish Inquisition.

Why? Because nobody expects a Spanish Inquisition!

15 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:49:44am

re: #13 Diamond Bullet

I thought a shibboleth was a kind of gazebo with a bbq platform attachment. Talking about my backyard is going to be awkward come NFL season.

"A shibboleth (pronounced /ˈʃɪbəlɛθ/ or /ˈʃɪbələθ/) is any distinguishing practice which is indicative of one's social or regional origin (from wikipedia)"

So he's calling people practices.

16 Varek Raith  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:50:39am

re: #15 darthstar

"A shibboleth (pronounced /ˈʃɪbəlɛθ ;/ or /ˈʃɪbələθ ;/) is any distinguishing practice which is indicative of one's social or regional origin (from wikipedia)"

So he's calling people practices.

I don't think he knows what the hell he wrote.

17 Randall Gross  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:50:44am

re: #2 Obdicut

Whooosh!

[the sound of your explanation going over Erick's head. He probably has a picture in his head of a monolith or obelisk when he says the word "shibboleth". On the other hand that para is such a garbage collection of tired cliches it's probably more likely that he's picturing succotash -- Great shambling shibboleths of succotash! ]

18 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:51:40am

You know, put this guy in some black robes, toss in a few nods to the Outer Gods and Erickson has all the making of an August Derleth archvillian

19 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:53:00am

re: #17 Thanos

I freaking love succotash. My depression-era gramma made a great goddamn succotash.

Now I'm hungry.

20 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:53:16am

Erik and Crazy Pam should write a book together. It'd be hilarious.

21 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:55:08am

"The Great Disentangling Has Begun: What Bob Bennett’s Defeat Means and Does Not."

Does not what? Who does this guy how to construct a sentence? Is he what's wrong with the public school system? Is he a foreigner?

What is or is not his fucking problem?

22 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:55:36am

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Erik and Crazy Pam should write a book together. It'd be hilarious.

Working Title: "Erick's from Mars, Pam is a Penis."

23 Randall Gross  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:55:39am

The part he's missing is that this is more like the beer hall putsch -- note that it failed.

/ok I get minus points for going Godwin, but it is about a small band of demagogueing populist followers attempting to overturn the will of the majority....

24 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:56:04am

re: #22 darthstar

Working Title: "Erick's from Mars, Pam is a Penis."

Dumb and Dumber

25 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:57:05am

re: #21 Jeff In Ohio

PIMF Who taught this guy

Maybe I can get a job a Red State. I am a commie.

26 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:57:33am

re: #23 Thanos

The part he's missing is that this is more like the beer hall putsch -- note that it failed.

/ok I get minus points for going Godwin, but it is about a small band of demagogueing populist followers attempting to overturn the will of the majority...

This is the same group which has embraced identifying themselves with the Light Brigade. Drawing their lessons from historical fact is not big on their "to do" list.

27 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:57:46am

re: #21 Jeff In Ohio

"The Great Disentangling Has Begun: What Bob Bennett’s Defeat Means and Does Not."

Does not what? Who does this guy how to construct a sentence? Is he what's wrong with the public school system? Is he a foreigner?

What is or is not his fucking problem?

Just because you cannot graspeth his writing stylish doesn't meanith it's incorrectly.
/

28 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:58:00am

Suedo intellexual.

29 Varek Raith  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:58:04am

re: #22 darthstar

Working Title: "Erick's from Mars, Pam is a Penis."

Whut???
XD

30 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:58:25am

re: #25 Jeff In Ohio

PIMF Who taught this guy

Maybe I can get a job a Red State. I am a commie.

If you want to get a job at Redstate, you need to learn to write "Who was this guy taught by?"

31 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:59:14am

re: #30 darthstar

If you want to get a job at Redstate, you need to learn to write "Who was this guy taught by?"

I only get paid to dangle prepositions.

32 Randall Gross  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:59:45am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, they aren't very swift about that, and Erick's missing the fact that there are still two more "real" elections before the Tea Party crazies can claim victory in Utah.

Bennett might kick them in the ass by deciding to run Independent, their candidate could lose in the actual primary election, etc.

33 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 10, 2010 9:59:47am

The revolution will not be literate.

34 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:00:52am

re: #32 Thanos

Someone (FG?) posted Utah law yesterday. He can't run as an Indy.

35 Randall Gross  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:00:52am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

As typified by the fact that their core members mispell Revolution as Reloveution....

36 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:01:33am

re: #31 Jeff In Ohio

I only get paid to dangle prepositions.

Nice work if you can get it:

37 Randall Gross  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:01:44am

re: #34 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone (FG?) posted Utah law yesterday. He can't run as an Indy.

Missed that, no way he can run as a write in? That doesn't seem constitutional.

38 Nervous Norvous  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:01:56am

re: #11 Summer

Oh ye Erick, son of Erick, know ye not that ye shibboleth is naught but myth and fantasy, as is ye tea party which, yea verily, shall flounder and fail as any other legend of yore based not in fact but in imagination.

Know ye Erick, son of Erick, that it is Fafnir who devoureth all the world at Ending, afore Mjolnir slays him by Thor's hand in the final battle upon which all is consumed. And ye tea parties shall have vanished in flames long afore that time for the fire giants knoweth not ye shibboleths or other citations of false gods and other grandiose and fluffy stuffs.

Know ye Erick, son of Erick, that ye shall repent for ye shall never reach Asgard. And not even ye +20 Longsword of Revolution shall find ye comfort as ye are cast down into the pit and a dungeon in the deepest pits of Hel (not Hell) wherein Loki shall torment ye the traitor's torment for the rest of eternity until the Twilight reigns supreme.

Amen.

I'm reading a book of norse mythology to my son next..I actually got some of those references...unless they were all from Marvel Comics, in which case I got nothin'.

39 Gus  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:02:16am

Right, insurrection. Since Erickson describes Tim Bridgewater as a "a rent seeker disguised as a businessman" he is thus endorsing Mike Lee. What do I find in Mike Lee's Facebook page? This flyer:

Mike Lee says he loves the constitution, but he acts like a lawyer. Candidate Mike Lee has for months quitely coordinated with and accepted nearly $150,000 in secret financial support from one single Washington DC based 527 special interest group alone!

Mike Lee might claim to want to end the era of a lifetime politician, but he sure is starting to look like one already...

These wide eyed Tea Party types will find out soon enough. The managed to drive their bus over Bob Bennett, a rather conservative politician, in favor of this unknown lawyer that's already being bankrolled by undisclosed special interests.

40 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:02:21am

re: #37 Thanos

Missed that, no way he can run as a write in? That doesn't seem constitutional.

Write in, yes.

41 AK-47%  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:02:58am

re: #23 Thanos

The part he's missing is that this is more like the beer hall putsch -- note that it failed.

/ok I get minus points for going Godwin, but it is about a small band of demagogueing populist followers attempting to overturn the will of the majority...

Scary part is that the Beer Hall putsch failed, but they still came to power a few years later...

It is true that we are witnessing the demise of the Republican Party, but whether the Tea Party is going to be in a position to replace it on the political landscape is another matter.

42 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:03:04am

It'd be kind of cool if a Democrat won in Utah in November...not because it would bring the Second Coming, but because watching Erickson try to ignore it and pretend it didn't matter.

Let's hope the craziest GOP candidate gets the nomination. Mormons may be conservative as a general rule, but they're not ultra-stupid. Turn Utah purple!

43 JRCMYP  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:03:43am

re: #19 Obdicut

I freaking love succotash. My depression-era gramma made a great goddamn succotash.

Now I'm hungry.

Dude. I think he meant smorgasbord. Or sthumthing sthlike ith.

44 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:03:46am

The wingnuts are starting to seriously rant and shriek about Elena Kagan today, of course.

45 teleskiguy  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:04:01am
The GOP is turning over the reins of power to hate-filled, dim people like you, and it is the death knell of American conservatism.


So sad. So true. American Conservatism seems to have died with William F. Buckley Jr.

46 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:04:13am

re: #32 Thanos

Yeah, they aren't very swift about that, and Erick's missing the fact that there are still two more "real" elections before the Tea Party crazies can claim victory in Utah.

Bennett might kick them in the ass by deciding to run Independent, their candidate could lose in the actual primary election, etc.

Yes, the Testicles Resting On Chin Party have shown they are a real power at knocking off far right conservatives with more extreme right nutbags. If they're so strong, why didn't the put up someone against Portman in Ohio? I mean that douche was Bush's OMB director, he should be easy pickings for the Taxed Enough Already crowd. They could have gotten Joe The Tax Evader.

47 Nervous Norvous  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:06:59am

re: #44 Charles

The wingnuts are starting to seriously rant and shriek about Elena Kagan today, of course.

no doubt...from what I've read in different places, she's pretty mainstream progressive, and pragmatic.

Of course to these assholes anybody to the left of themselves is a dangerous radical.

48 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:07:45am

re: #44 Charles

The wingnuts are starting to seriously rant and shriek about Elena Kagan today, of course.

YEs, it is disturbing she didn't get a drivers license till she was in her late 20's and she has the temerity to quote Thurgood Marshal. What next? She was a wtich for halloween when she was 8.

Oh wait, that was me.


I guess the free to be me not you crowd can't bring themselves to attack her on her executive power stances. The Tea Party is the Fucking Monarchists Party.

49 Nervous Norvous  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:07:46am

I think she's probably a good choice, in that the real rabid lefties don't like her either.

50 AK-47%  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:07:51am

They have already forgotten the debacle of that electino in New York State in which the Üalin-endorsed ultraconserative lost the district to a Democrat for the first time in over a century.

But they repressed that fact and moved on to gloat over other pyrrhic victories, like Scott Brown, who is also way too liberal for their taste if they had a say in it.

51 jvic  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:08:11am

The GOP is turning over the reins of power to hate-filled, dim people like you, and it is the death knell of American conservatism.

I choose to hope that American conservatism will resurrect itself from deep sleep.

Defenseless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

52 Summer Seale  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:08:14am

re: #38 PT Barnum

I'm reading a book of norse mythology to my son next..I actually got some of those references...unless they were all from Marvel Comics, in which case I got nothin'.

I have never read a Marvel comic. I know that Thor is a character in one but I've never seen it. I do like the Eddas though. =) The +20 Longsword thing was a D&D thing tho. Kinda mocking in general.... =)

53 Nervous Norvous  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:09:19am

re: #52 Summer

I have never read a Marvel comic. I know that Thor is a character in one but I've never seen it. I do like the Eddas though. =) The +20 Longsword thing was a D&D thing tho. Kinda mocking in general... =)

I were a serious D&D geek back in the day, but outgrew it.

Now I don't even play WoW anymore.

54 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:09:25am

re: #29 Varek Raith

Whut???
XD

To you it means "Erik is on another planet. Get your Death Star over to his planet and give him some Superlaser Love."

55 Varek Raith  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:10:21am

Sigma_x is flouncing downstairs.

56 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:10:46am

re: #55 Varek Raith

Sigma_x is flouncing downstairs.

Really?

57 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:10:51am

Apropos of nothing in particular, family and I went up to the Cinco de Mayo festivities held in Guadalupe County, Texas, our new base of operations.

Cerveza and families in abundance, lotsa lawn chairs out on the courthouse lawn, for the band to play later in the evening. Lotsa older folk there, Tejanos primarily, with retired Navy and USMC hats and such in abundance, but heap plenty of Texicans as well.

Good time had by all, and nothing political at all about the thing.

58 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:11:55am

re: #44 Charles

The wingnuts are starting to seriously rant and shriek about Elena Kagan today, of course.

The best way to derail the wingnuts is to multi-task. Kagan nomination, financial reform, immigration reform...in a few days, we'll get to hear John Boehner say something wonderfully crazy like "We need to close our borders and protect our banks from the oil spill of this Katrina nomination...I mean Kagan."
Talking points...they're great on their own, but when mixed together, can make anyone sound like Bachmann-Palin Erickson.

59 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:13:27am

re: #53 PT Barnum

I were a serious D&D geek back in the day, but outgrew it.

Now I don't even play WoW anymore.

Yeah, passed by both of them.

Mass Effect 2 has been pretty fun though.

60 Randall Gross  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:14:06am

Erick is trying to demonstrate that there isn't any bias effect in this scientific paper

[Link: www.sciencedirect.com...]

61 Nervous Norvous  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:14:11am

Tre: #58 darthstar

The best way to derail the wingnuts is to multi-task. Kagan nomination, financial reform, immigration reform...in a few days, we'll get to hear John Boehner say something wonderfully crazy like "We need to close our borders and protect our banks from the oil spill of this Katrina nomination...I mean Kagan."
Talking points...they're great on their own, but when mixed together, can make anyone sound like Bachmann-Palin Erickson.

Think that's a conscious strategy or just a happy accident?

62 teleskiguy  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:14:41am

re: #44 Charles

The wingnuts are starting to seriously rant and shriek about Elena Kagan today, of course.

What the wingnuts are saying to prep the real 'Muricans for the fight ahead: She's a lesbian! She'll cater to the Homosexual Agenda! Look at her, she's ugly! She ain't even a judge!
/

What's funny is the left doesn't like her stance on terrorist detainees. Still though, anything that 0bama touches is pure evil to these simpletons.

63 Stanghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:15:51am

OT - twitter has a big bug - all followers & following lists gone

# Twitter confirms 'auto-follow bug,' tells CNet 'we're focused on fixing it' 11 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarters


Twitter hack allows users to force followers; many accounts show 0 followers 14 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarters

64 Nervous Norvous  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:16:49am

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, passed by both of them.

Mass Effect 2 has been pretty fun though.

I bought the family DSs recently and have really gotten into the puzzle games. Piccross 3d is teh awesome.

65 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:16:59am

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

Really?

Yep. He's lost all contact with reality and is accusing us of deleting his Twitter followers. I expect accusations of attempting to steal his Precious Bodily Fluids next.

66 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:17:22am

re: #63 Stanley Sea

OT - twitter has a big bug - all followers & following lists gone

Post that on the previous thread.

67 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:19:05am

re: #15 darthstar

"A shibboleth (pronounced /ˈʃɪbəlɛθ/ or /ˈʃɪbələθ/) is any distinguishing practice which is indicative of one's social or regional origin (from wikipedia)"

So he's calling people practices.

I always confuse shibboleths and shillelaghs. Maybe it's the same for the Irish.

68 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:19:15am

re: #55 Varek Raith

Sigma_x is flouncing downstairs.

I foretasted it when he signed up. I think I gave him 5 weeks. I nailed it.

69 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:19:50am

re: #61 PT Barnum

T

Think that's a conscious strategy or just a happy accident?

Happy accident right now, but I think it should be a conscious strategy. Keep bringing up important issues, and focus on the positive, and the Republicans will look out of touch and disorganized as they try to shout down more than one thing at once. Remember, the president said he could walk and chew gum at the same time (i.e. multitask) a year or so ago when the GOP complained that trying to do two things at once was too much.

70 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:20:28am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

I always confuse shibboleths and shillelaghs. Maybe it's the same for the Irish.

Both can be used as supports or weapons; I think we need to invent a new portmanteau word here:

Shilleboleths, or something like that.

71 Stanghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:20:42am

From Twitter:

Follow bug discovered, remedied. 12 minutes ago

We identified and resolved a bug that permitted a user to “force” other users to follow them. We’re now working to rollback all abuse of the bug that took place. Follower/following numbers are currently at 0; we’re aware and this too should shortly be resolved.

Update (10:18 AM PST): Of note: protected updates did not become public as a result of this bug.

72 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:21:42am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

I always confuse shibboleths and shillelaghs. Maybe it's the same for the Irish.

A shillelagh is what I'd like to whack Erickson in the skull with, if given the opportunity.

73 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:22:13am

re: #70 Guanxi88

Both can be used as supports or weapons; I think we need to invent a new portmanteau word here:

Shilleboleths, or something like that.

I think my Half Elven Ranger/Bard fought one of those once in an Underdark dungeon crawl.

74 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:23:06am

re: #72 darthstar

A shillelagh is what I'd like to whack Erickson in the skull with, if given the opportunity.

"The amenities will be observed." --The Quiet man

75 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:23:28am

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think my Half Elven Ranger/Bard fought one of those once in an Underdark dungeon crawl.

D&D?

76 DaddyG  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:23:39am

re: #2 Obdicut

Shibboleth was a particular word that the Gileadites could pronounce, but the Ephraimites could not. Thus, it served as a sort of cultural password.

...sort of like asking a German to pronounce Massachusetts?

77 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:24:10am

On topic--the Maine Republican platform is highjacked by the TPs.

[Link: www.google.com...]

78 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:24:33am

re: #76 DaddyG

...sort of like asking a German to pronounce Massachusetts?

Or asking our governor to pronounce California.

79 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:25:42am

re: #76 DaddyG

...sort of like asking a German to pronounce Massachusetts?

Hell, my half-Cajun wife can barely pronounce it herself:

"Massa - too- setts" is about as close as she can get. And just try to get her to say "Boylston" - "Ball-stone" is the best you get, which is exactly the way she pronounces the name of Beantown.

80 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:26:02am

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

D&D?

2d Edition "The Golden Age of D&D"

81 Mark Pennington  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:26:19am

re: #39 Gus 802

Right, insurrection. Since Erickson describes Tim Bridgewater as a "a rent seeker disguised as a businessman" he is thus endorsing Mike Lee. What do I find in Mike Lee's Facebook page? This flyer:

These wide eyed Tea Party types will find out soon enough. The managed to drive their bus over Bob Bennett, a rather conservative politician, in favor of this unknown lawyer that's already being bankrolled by undisclosed special interests.

And this is why the Tea Party will hurt the GOP and help the Democrats in coming elections.

82 DaddyG  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:26:22am

re: #78 darthstar

Or asking our governor to pronounce California.

Agree to the new pronouciation or be terminated. The choice is yours. /

83 Stanghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:26:32am

re: #77 Decatur Deb

On topic--the Maine Republican platform is highjacked by the TPs.

[Link: www.google.com...]

UGH, from the article:

The document calls for the elimination of the Department of Education and the Federal Reserve, demands an investigation of "collusion between government and industry in the global warming myth," suggests the adoption of "Austrian Economics," declares that "'Freedom of Religion' does not mean 'freedom from religion'" (which I guess makes atheism illegal), insists that "healthcare is not a right," calls for the abrogation of the "UN Treaty on Rights of the Child" and the "Law Of The Sea Treaty" and declares that we must resist "efforts to create a one world government."

Have the Republicans lost their minds?

84 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:26:55am

Okay...work beckons. See you all later.

85 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:27:10am

re: #76 DaddyG

"Headquarters" was a favorite security word in WWII-- that's hell for a native German speaker to pronounce correctly.

There was a case when some Germans had forged identity papers in WWII-- the problem was they corrected the spelling errors. So you could tell a fake pass-- the words were all spelled right.

86 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:27:38am

re: #82 DaddyG

Agree to the new pronouciation or be terminated. The choice is yours. /

I've always found it slightly amusing the Governor Schwarzenegger sound almost exactly like Lord Humongous.

87 garhighway  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:27:54am

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Have the Republicans lost their minds?

"Austrian Economics"?

Economists in lederhosen?

88 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:29:20am

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Have the Republicans lost their minds?

Yes. The Republicans who wrote that platform have gone Full Mental Wingnut.

89 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:29:23am

re: #85 Obdicut

"Headquarters" was a favorite security word in WWII-- that's hell for a native German speaker to pronounce correctly.

There was a case when some Germans had forged identity papers in WWII-- the problem was they corrected the spelling errors. So you could tell a fake pass-- the words were all spelled right.

Sounds about right - even when they're doing something sneaky and underhanded, they're so damned thorough and correct about it that it's exposed for being better than the real thing.

90 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:29:43am

re: #87 garhighway

"Austrian Economics"?

Economists in lederhosen?

Assume the tyrolian hats. (inside joke)

91 shiplord kirel  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:30:22am
Pay attention now you media types who look for great meaning in all things considered. Sometimes you must confront the bold truths you do not naturally recognize because you have been trained up in the ways of a lazier time, an old reality when you could get by with simple shortcuts, and no one would call you on it.

Your shibboleths are crumbling around you and you grasp it not. As you struggle to interpret what the tea parties do and do not mean, you media types and others are getting Utah all wrong.

It’s not about a purge. It’s about an insurrection.

I think I know what he means:

Pay-pal our donations will take, for we are the future of the party of tea. Listen up, you media tokens in your weekend editions, wherein y'all see all meaninglessnesses, even though it's on radio and there is, like, no picture.

Sometimes you must confront the bull by the tail and face the situation, though up trained you have been in the lazy ways of a simpler time, when you could cut your shorts and not be outcalled by the teacher.

Your Shalmanezer has croaked, drowned by the party of tea, for the meaning of Utah you grok not. This is not us purging ourselves, but the masses insurgent-sizing for the struggle ahead, or something like that.

92 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:30:26am

re: #87 garhighway

"Austrian Economics"?

Economists in lederhosen?

No, it refers to Hayek's Road to Serfdom and the economic philosophy stemming from his work.

93 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:31:05am

re: #91 shiplord kirel

Please to be restful, it is only a few crazies, who have from the crazy place outbroken.

94 HappyBenghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:31:32am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

No, it refers to Hayek's Road to Serfdom and the economic philosophy stemming from his work.

Von Mises too I believe. What Stanley posted seemed almost word for word from something you'd expect out of Ron Paul. I guess we shall expect challenges to the "Fascist" Snowe and Collins in coming years.

95 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:33:38am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Paulians are pretty much the only ones left flying the Austrian Economics flag, especially after the latest meltdown, Enron, etc.

The sad thing is that the Austrians hit on an important point-- the evolutionary nature of the markets. Then they completely fucked up why it was important, and came to a directly opposite conclusion that they should have. They concluded that since no one regulation can ever have the effect you want it to over time, since the market will adapt, that virtually all regulation is pointless.

That's like saying there's no point to having an immune system, since the flu evolves.

96 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:34:09am

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Maybe they should take over Chile?

97 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:34:42am

re: #91 shiplord kirel

I think I know what he means:

Pay-pal our donations will take, for we are the future of the party of tea. Listen up, you media tokens in your weekend editions, wherein y'all see all meaninglessnesses, even though it's on radio and there is, like, no picture.

Sometimes you must confront the bull by the tail and face the situation, though up trained you have been in the lazy ways of a simpler time, when you could cut your shorts and not be outcalled by the teacher.

Your Shalmanezer has croaked, drowned by the party of tea, for the meaning of Utah you grok not. This is not us purging ourselves, but the masses insurgent-sizing for the struggle ahead, or something like that.

Dang, you're brilliant!

98 avanti  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:35:14am

Another prayergate:

The spin: Seniors not allowed to pray before meals.

The reality: Seniors can not be led in group prayer to Jesus Christ before getting a meal subsidized by the government.

"Rutherford said the moment of silence was introduced to protect that funding. He said although the change may have been misinterpreted, perhaps his company could have done a better job selling it.

"It's interpreted that we're telling people that they can't pray, but we aren't saying that," he said. "We're asking them to pray to themselves. Have that moment of silence."

BTW, I don't even thing you should suggest that they be asked to pray, but that's a option.


prayer.

99 HappyBenghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:35:34am

re: #95 Obdicut

Yeah. Paulians are pretty much the only ones left flying the Austrian Economics flag, especially after the latest meltdown, Enron, etc.

The sad thing is that the Austrians hit on an important point-- the evolutionary nature of the markets. Then they completely fucked up why it was important, and came to a directly opposite conclusion that they should have. They concluded that since no one regulation can ever have the effect you want it to over time, since the market will adapt, that virtually all regulation is pointless.

That's like saying there's no point to having an immune system, since the flu evolves.

I like your analogy. The other thing I've noticed about Austrian schoolers namely the Von Mises Institute is their sympathy for the old Confedteracy. I believe that most of the anti Lincoln books have come from that institute.

100 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:36:01am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Von Mises too I believe. What Stanley posted seemed almost word for word from something you'd expect out of Ron Paul. I guess we shall expect challenges to the "Fascist" Snowe and Collins in coming years.

Auburn University used to foster them, of course they once had a football team too.

101 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:36:03am
We Are Insurrecting

Well, you're certainly revolting.

102 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:37:11am

re: #101 MandyManners

Well, you're certainly revolting.

You said it. They stink on ice!
/Mel Brooks

103 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:37:36am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Austrian Economists get uncomfortable when it's pointed out to them that the market has no inherent ethics, and that any ethical behavior in the market must stem from non-market forces. Furthermore, the South showed that even when it's absolutely against your own economic self-interest, people will act to preserve an economic situation when it's tied to cultural aspects.

104 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:39:11am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Von Mises too I believe. What Stanley posted seemed almost word for word from something you'd expect out of Ron Paul. I guess we shall expect challenges to the "Fascist" Snowe and Collins in coming years.

Yes. They'll proclaim Collins and Snowe RINOs, run them off, end up with two Democrats as Senators then blame a conspiracy for it.

105 Lidane  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:39:17am

Shorter Erickson: "Look at me! I know some fancy words!"

Of course, none of what he wrote makes sense, but hey-- he pulled out some fancy book learnin' and tried to sound all intellectual and shit. That has to count for something. =P

106 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:39:27am

re: #91 shiplord kirel

That was beautiful, man!


107 Stanghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:39:50am

re: #98 avanti

Prayer outrage, flag outrage...When have I heard this all before?

108 eastsider  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:39:52am

So winning a republican primary in Utah is an insurrection?

That's as much an accomplishment as successfully making ice cubes in a freezer.

109 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:41:23am

re: #108 eastsider

So winning a republican primary in Utah is an insurrection?

That's as much an accomplishment as successfully making ice cubes in a freezer.

You make ice-cubes in a freezer? I need a new recipe...my oven-baked ice-cubes suck.
/

110 allegro  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:41:41am

re: #108 eastsider

That's as much an accomplishment as successfully making ice cubes in a freezer.

ooo! Do you have that recipe? I lost mine. //

111 jaunte  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:42:25am

re: #109 darthstar

Just keep adding starch.

112 Varek Raith  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:42:26am

re: #108 eastsider

So winning a republican primary in Utah is an insurrection?

That's as much an accomplishment as successfully making ice cubes in a freezer.

Or me getting 100% of the vote on Coruscant.

113 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:42:53am

re: #108 eastsider

So winning a republican primary in Utah is an insurrection?

That's as much an accomplishment as successfully making ice cubes in a freezer.

They get to replace an old powerful Republican with a hapless TPish freshman.
Hooray for my (Evil Dem) side.

114 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:43:35am

re: #112 Varek Raith

Or me getting 100% of the vote on Coruscant.

Or an Inquisitor deciding someone is guilty of heresy.

115 eastsider  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:43:35am

Can someone help me understand the tea partiers strategy?

At best, the end game is they take over say 10-15% of seats in the house and Senate. And what're they going to do? participate less than Republicans have been? Obstruct more?

Its not exactly like the GOP has been going along quietly with Obama & the dems actions. Nor has any policy been so extremely "socialist" (that's what they're calling it) that it should warrant this kind of reaction.

I just don't get it, its like they're saying "people should listen to us, and put us in office, so we can be more obstructive, obtuse, rude and short sighted than those currently in power."

They're so alarmingly childish and immature....I just don't understand how those traits come off as appealing to any prospective voters.

116 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:43:50am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You said it. They stink on ice!
/Mel Brooks

It's twue! It's twue!

(Oops. Wrong movie.)

117 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:44:59am

re: #112 Varek Raith

Or me getting 100% of the vote on Coruscant.

You've done so much for them, though. Those new Service droids have cleaned up the litter and fixed numerous buildings, the new police closed so many murderous dives. Bit of a shame with the Jedi Temple, what with that rebellion and all...

118 jaunte  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:45:05am

re: #115 eastsider

They haven't thought the strategy through. It's just a 'no.'

119 avanti  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:45:09am

re: #107 Stanley Sea

Prayer outrage, flag outrage...When have I heard this all before?

I get that you may have to listen to a prayer or join in at at a Christian mission to get your bowl of soup, but having to say grace before getting a tax payer supported meal at a senior center is a constitutional stretch and a pretty weak scandal.

120 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:45:12am

re: #116 MandyManners

It's twue! It's twue!

(Oops. Wrong movie.)

OH SWEET MYSTERY OF LIFE, AT LAST I'VE FOUND YOU!

121 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:46:12am

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH SWEET MYSTERY OF LIFE, AT LAST I'VE FOUND YOU!

Where are all the white women at?

122 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:46:30am

re: #121 MandyManners

Where are all the white women at?

Excuse me while I whip this out.

123 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:46:45am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

You've done so much for them, though. Those new Service droids have cleaned up the litter and fixed numerous buildings, the new police closed so many murderous dives. Bit of a shame with the Jedi Temple, what with that rebellion and all...

They're going to bulldoze it and turn it into the Palpatine Imperial Petting Zoo.

124 darthstar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:46:58am

New iPhone app helps Republicans create arguments against Kagan.

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – Moments after news of President Obama’s choice for Supreme Court justice spread across Washington, congressional Republicans rushed to insert the name “Elena Kagan” into speeches opposing the President’s judicial nominee.

In the text of a speech released Sunday, hours before Ms. Kagan was selected, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) states, “I opposed the nomination of BLANK because I believe BLANK would lead the court down a dangerous path towards judicial activism. In short, I cannot think of a worse choice for Supreme Court than BLANK.”

The anti-Kagan rhetoric was generated last week before Ms. Kagan was nominated, GOP insiders said, by using a new iPhone app called iOppose.


[Link: www.borowitzreport.com...]

125 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:47:16am

re: #121 MandyManners

Where are all the white women at?

He says the sheriff is near!

126 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:47:36am

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're going to bulldoze it and turn it into the Palpatine Imperial Petting Zoo.

..and Bantha feed-lot.

127 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:48:15am

re: #119 avanti

I get that you may have to listen to a prayer or join in at at a Christian mission to get your bowl of soup, but having to say grace before getting a tax payer supported meal at a senior center is a constitutional stretch and a pretty weak scandal.

At the supermarket, I request that anyone using a Quest food stamp card or a WIC check to say a prayer before I ring up the order.

But that's mainly in hopes that the both of us can get through all the government rules and regulations and I can check out the customer in under an hour.

128 Lidane  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:48:22am

re: #115 eastsider

Can someone help me understand the tea partiers strategy?

Ideological purity. That's about it.

They're convinced that they lost in 2008 because McCain wasn't conservative enough, and that by ever deigning to work with the Democrats on anything, the GOP is betraying both conservatism and Republicans. Their solution is to purge the infidels, no matter how much those people might otherwise follow the GOP platform to the letter so they can bring in a more pure ideologue to do things their way.

129 webevintage  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:48:23am

re: #108 eastsider

So winning a republican primary in Utah is an insurrection?

That's as much an accomplishment as successfully making ice cubes in a freezer.

The thing is it was not even a primary.
The voters in the state did not get to decide just the delegates at the Utah GOP convention who get to decide who the voters actually get to vote on in the primary.
Not really an insurrection if the voters are not really part of said "insurrection".

130 Kragar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:48:51am

re: #126 Guanxi88

..and Bantha feed-lot.

Mind the Bantha poodoo.

131 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:49:30am

re: #124 darthstar

New iPhone app helps Republicans create arguments against Kagan.

[Link: www.borowitzreport.com...]

I don't see a problem with her not having judicial experience, especially since you can be president without having any executive experience.

132 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:50:15am

re: #122 Guanxi88

Excuse me while I whip this out.

*duck*

133 eastsider  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:50:23am

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

I don't see a problem with her not having judicial experience, especially since you can be president without having any executive experience.

They made John Roberts Chief Justice as a SCOTUS Rookie.

134 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:50:30am

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Isn't all that stuff was on EBT cards these days?

135 eastsider  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:50:42am

re: #132 MandyManners

*duck*

typos? u-->i?

136 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:50:59am

re: #122 Guanxi88

Excuse me while I whip this out.

And now, for my next impersonation, Jesse Owens!

137 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:51:03am

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He says the sheriff is near!

"WHAT?"

138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:51:25am

re: #134 Obdicut

Isn't all that stuff was on EBT cards these days?

Huh?

139 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:51:45am

re: #135 eastsider

typos? u-->i?

Not this time!

140 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:52:50am

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

I don't see a problem with her not having judicial experience, especially since you can be president without having any executive experience.

You can have a wedding without any pre-marital experience.

141 Virginia Plain  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:52:53am

I'm not voting for hedonists this November.

142 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:53:17am

re: #138 Cannadian Club Akbar

EBT cards-- Electronic Benefit Transfer cards-- are used for most food stamp programs these days.

[Link: www.cdhs.state.co.us...]

143 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:53:21am

re: #134 Obdicut

Isn't all that stuff was on EBT cards these days?

It was partly a joke. The Quest cards are almost automatic. The Quest card is just like a credit card. Even if they have non food stamp items in the order, the register will just tell me there is a cash balance due.

The WIC checks are still time consuming. Each check has to be followed to a tee, there are two franking steps, ID checks and if you make a single mistake on the foodstuffs, the whole check is denied payment.

144 AK-47%  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:53:23am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

You can have a wedding without any pre-marital experience.

For the abstinence only folks, that's the preferred option

145 Gus  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:53:33am

I know I probably disagree with a lot of Bob Bennett's ideology but I have to say what an undeserved slap in the face he's received. After 16 years on the Hill he's literally been dumped on the side of the road in favor of two unknowns including one Tea Party candidate. This was also not the will of the people but done by a select group of delegates. It was not the will of the people of Utah.

146 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:53:55am

re: #137 MandyManners

"WHAT?"

"Candygram for Mongo!"

147 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:54:05am

Apologies if this has already been mentioned-- another Red State commenter (and blogger) distinguished himself over the weekend by making fun of Roger Ebert's cancer: (Ebert offended the teabaggers and wingnuts over the Great Tshirt Outrage on Cinco de Mayo):

Howe, of course, is perfectly entitled to say what he likes. We're sure Ebert would be the first to defend his right to free speech. But we've emailed Howe to ask for a comment, and whether he stands by his tweets as a proportionate response. As he cites Redstate as his official website on the Twitter feed, we've also emailed them to ask if they stand behind their contributor. Any responses will be posted here.

The tweets are pretty disgusting.

Here's the article:
Tea Party Turns on Roger Ebert, Mocks His Cancer (Updated)

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:54:09am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

You can have a wedding without any pre-marital experience.

You can have a kid without experience. I'm proof.
///

149 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:54:24am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

"Candygram for Mongo!"

Sheriff first man ever whip Mongo. Mongo have special feelings for Sheriff.

150 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:54:43am

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

That sucks. They should just put the WIC stuff on the EBT card for general food benefits, too. No reason to have two parallel set of standards and verification.

That's a good example of "why the fuck do it that way?" bureaucracy. Benefits no one.

151 Lidane  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:56:20am

re: #133 eastsider

They made John Roberts Chief Justice as a SCOTUS Rookie.

And with only two years of judicial experience, at that. Most of his career was either in private practice, at the DoJ, or at the Office of White House Counsel.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:56:41am

Well, I didn't know what "shibboleths" were.

At least now I am more literate.

That's about it.

153 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:56:41am

[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

May 10 (Bloomberg) -- Fannie Mae, the mortgage-finance company operating under federal conservatorship, said it will seek $8.4 billion in aid from the U.S. Treasury Department after reporting an 11th-straight quarterly loss.

The company lost $11.5 billion in the first three months of this year, it said today in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing. Fannie Mae had posted $136.8 billion in losses in the preceding 10 quarters, and the new aid request would bring its total draw from the Treasury to $84.6 billion since April 2009.

Fannie Mae said the quarterly loss was largely attributable to new accounting rules that required the company to move $1.5 trillion in mortgage guarantees to its balance sheet.

And in response, I suggest the following:

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:57:35am

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I didn't know what "shibboleths" were.

At least now I am more literate.

That's about it.

I think you give yourself too much credit.
/

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:57:45am

re: #153 Guanxi88

Leave it to a government entity to find a way to lose more money than GM.

156 Gus  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:58:03am

re: #147 iceweasel

Apologies if this has already been mentioned-- another Red State commenter (and blogger) distinguished himself over the weekend by making fun of Roger Ebert's cancer: (Ebert offended the teabaggers and wingnuts over the Great Tshirt Outrage on Cinco de Mayo):

The tweets are pretty disgusting.

Here's the article:
Tea Party Turns on Roger Ebert, Mocks His Cancer (Updated)

Creeps. So let me get this straight. These Tea Party "patriots" and "constitutionalists" don't believe that Roger Ebert has a right to free speech and then proceed to make fun of his appearance and cancer?

157 Stanghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:58:45am

re: #156 Gus 802

Creeps. So let me get this straight. These Tea Party "patriots" and "constitutionalists" don't believe that Roger Ebert has a right to free speech and then proceed to make fun of his appearance and cancer?

Wrapped in the flag. It is utterly disgusting what this non-issue brought forth. I though, am not surprised.

158 wrenchwench  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:59:02am

re: #142 Obdicut

EBT cards-- Electronic Benefit Transfer cards-- are used for most food stamp programs these days.

[Link: www.cdhs.state.co.us...]

I keep asking people what EBT stands for. Most of them say "Eat Better Today." Thanks for a more likely answer.

159 eastsider  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:59:07am

re: #124 darthstar

New iPhone app helps Republicans create arguments against Kagan.


[Link: www.borowitzreport.com...]

It practically writes itself!

How can anyone take this seriously anymore. They've had the "outrage" meter cranked up to 11 since July of 2008. Aren't tea partiers starting to get a little fatigued on this?

The TPers need to take a deep breath. I kind of wish we could just have everyone agree to the following ground rules and start their next argument like this:

"I agree that President Obama was born in the United States and was fairly elected President in November of 2008. I think that at least a few of his actions have been positive for the country. I do disagree with many of his actions, however I acknowledge that we are not now facing a crisis that threatens our Constitution. Here are my concerns:

1) ...

2) ...

3) ...

"

160 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:59:23am

re: #150 Obdicut

That sucks. They should just put the WIC stuff on the EBT card for general food benefits, too. No reason to have two parallel set of standards and verification.

That's a good example of "why the fuck do it that way?" bureaucracy. Benefits no one.

Most of it has to do with the way the WIC "prescription" is issued. It's still on a paper check with a list of allowable foodstuffs. So, even though our database could track which items are WIC allowable, we have no "bridge" between the state databases and our database, so I have to read down the printed list on the check, match the food types and weights, and make sure I'm not allowing something that isn't allowed.

Such as... a 12 oz can of pinto beans... allowed, a 12 oz can of pinto beans with cilantro... not allowed. The register/computer is not going to alert me to that.

161 RadicalModerate  Mon, May 10, 2010 10:59:48am

re: #115 eastsider

Can someone help me understand the tea partiers strategy?

At best, the end game is they take over say 10-15% of seats in the house and Senate. And what're they going to do? participate less than Republicans have been? Obstruct more?

Think of it this way - instead of having only a couple Michelle Bachmann types in the legislative branch, we're possibly going to get a dozen or so. If this comes to pass, look forward to seated congressional birthers attempting to get hearings on their lunacy.

162 jvic  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:00:55am

What Erickson did not say: We wish Senator Bennett well and thank him for his years of public service, but the country has come to a point at which the established way of doing things has become counterproductive etc etc etc

Not to Erickson: Nobody likes a sore winner.

163 Gus  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:01:01am

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Wrapped in the flag. It is utterly disgusting what this non-issue brought forth. I though, am not surprised.

Which in itself is an insult or a mockery of what the flag represents. These people are not true Americans -- they're savages.

I'm not surprised either.

164 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:01:02am

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leave it to a government entity to find a way to lose more money than GM.

We ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait till ObamaCare kicks in full blast.

165 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:01:15am

re: #147 iceweasel

Apologies if this has already been mentioned-- another Red State commenter (and blogger) distinguished himself over the weekend by making fun of Roger Ebert's cancer: (Ebert offended the teabaggers and wingnuts over the Great Tshirt Outrage on Cinco de Mayo):

The tweets are pretty disgusting.

Here's the article:
Tea Party Turns on Roger Ebert, Mocks His Cancer (Updated)

That's a shitty thing to do. Even the Huffington Post doesn't do that anymore. Redstate needs to clean house.

166 Obdicut  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:01:47am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton


Idiotic. That's exactly what computerized database systems are designed to sort. No reason to force you to do it.

167 Stanghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:01:54am

Twitter stats (followers/following) restored.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:02:08am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

I would think they could attach the bar codes to it.

And who on Earth wants cilantro.

Ick!

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:02:41am

re: #32 Thanos

Yeah, they aren't very swift about that, and Erick's missing the fact that there are still two more "real" elections before the Tea Party crazies can claim victory in Utah.

Bennett might kick them in the ass by deciding to run Independent, their candidate could lose in the actual primary election, etc.

BTW, the San Francisco Chronicle endorsed Damon Dunn, Orly Taitz's opponent for the GOP SecState nomination this morning.

They said some nice things about him, but basically the point was that he is not a birther, and appears to be, from all accounts, sane.

170 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:03:41am

re: #161 RadicalModerate

Think of it this way - instead of having only a couple Michelle Bachmann types in the legislative branch, we're possibly going to get a dozen or so. If this comes to pass, look forward to seated congressional birthers attempting to get hearings on their lunacy.

They will almost certainly turn on each other, and also make Republican (anti-Dem) legislative discipline impossible.

171 prairiefire  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:05:03am

Your assessment is completely accurate, Charles. You also handle the Olde English these folks like to use quite well, methinks.
I think they think it lends them gravitas, but they just sound like yahoos.

172 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:05:13am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

"Candygram for Mongo!"

Mongo only pawn in game of life.

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:06:30am

re: #147 iceweasel

Hey, Ice. Earlier today, I made a Helen Thomas snark. Was totally uncool. It's easy to do, and we've all had fun with that stuff.

I decided to stop the personal insults regarding appearance (I didn't do it often before)...

I hope that I live to a little higher standard than I have in the past.

Making fun of someone's for their appearance because of cancer? That is beyond the pale.

174 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:06:57am

re: #167 Stanley Sea

Twitter stats (followers/following) restored.

Someone tell Sigma Chi.

175 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:07:38am

re: #163 Gus 802

Which in itself is an insult or a mockery of what the flag represents. These people are not true Americans -- they're savages.

I'm not surprised either.

mediamatters has more. In addition to asking ebert 'which flag should I fly when you die of cancer', looks like this guy was adding the twitter hashtag #traitor to his tweets about and to ebert.

Maybe he should get a room with the douchetard in our cinco de mayo thread who accused Charles of hating America.

176 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:07:43am

re: #174 MandyManners

Someone tell Sigma Chi.

How many of those do you figure are investigators and/or plaintiff's attorneys?

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:08:03am

re: #108 eastsider

So winning a republican primary in Utah is an insurrection?

That's as much an accomplishment as successfully making ice cubes in a freezer.

Well, they did manage to oust BOB BENNETT.

Now, if they manage to lose a Utah election to a Democrat, I'll be impressed. That's pretty tough. Utah is the darkest red spot on the map.

178 MandyManners  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:08:36am

re: #176 Guanxi88

How many of those do you figure are investigators and/or plaintiff's attorneys?

They're interested in punk-ass frat rats?

179 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:08:49am

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, Ice. Earlier today, I made a Helen Thomas snark. Was totally uncool. It's easy to do, and we've all had fun with that stuff.

I decided to stop the personal insults regarding appearance (I didn't do it often before)...

I hope that I live to a little higher standard than I have in the past.

Making fun of someone's for their appearance because of cancer? That is beyond the pale.

You're a good person, Veggie. { { {FBV} } }

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:09:17am

re: #115 eastsider

Can someone help me understand the tea partiers strategy?

At best, the end game is they take over say 10-15% of seats in the house and Senate. And what're they going to do? participate less than Republicans have been? Obstruct more?

Its not exactly like the GOP has been going along quietly with Obama & the dems actions. Nor has any policy been so extremely "socialist" (that's what they're calling it) that it should warrant this kind of reaction.

I just don't get it, its like they're saying "people should listen to us, and put us in office, so we can be more obstructive, obtuse, rude and short sighted than those currently in power."

They're so alarmingly childish and immature...I just don't understand how those traits come off as appealing to any prospective voters.

There is nothing about the People of the Tea that appeals to me, so I really can't imagine why a person would put them in office.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:11:45am

re: #156 Gus 802

Creeps. So let me get this straight. These Tea Party "patriots" and "constitutionalists" don't believe that Roger Ebert has a right to free speech and then proceed to make fun of his appearance and cancer?

They're tacky people. What can I say?

182 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:12:06am

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

There is nothing about the People of the Tea that appeals to me, so I really can't imagine why a person would put them in office.

Biggest part of the appeal is that it's a modernized version of the anti-incumbency fad of about 20 years ago; the world looks to be a wreck, and they believe they've localized the responsibility in the current political class.

What they overlook is that they themselves put these folk there in the first place.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:13:43am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Most of it has to do with the way the WIC "prescription" is issued. It's still on a paper check with a list of allowable foodstuffs. So, even though our database could track which items are WIC allowable, we have no "bridge" between the state databases and our database, so I have to read down the printed list on the check, match the food types and weights, and make sure I'm not allowing something that isn't allowed.

Such as... a 12 oz can of pinto beans... allowed, a 12 oz can of pinto beans with cilantro... not allowed. The register/computer is not going to alert me to that.

I've seen this in action, and it does take forever, especially when the lady with the WIC purchase is in front of you in line, and has a small child with her.

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:14:12am

re: #179 iceweasel

I can will get better.

185 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:15:33am

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can will get better.

Every day, in every way....

186 Stanghazi  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:15:57am

re: #174 MandyManners

Someone tell Sigma Chi.

Tell him that I restored it. Me.

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:15:59am

re: #171 prairiefire

Your assessment is completely accurate, Charles. You also handle the Olde English these folks like to use quite well, methinks.
I think they think it lends them gravitas, but they just sound like yahoos.

Anyone remember when RSM went after Sharmuta and someone, and started babbling about tithing mint and cumin?

188 Aceofwhat?  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:16:32am

re: #185 Guanxi88

Every day, in every way...

out with the bad air...in with the good!

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:17:44am

re: #182 Guanxi88

Biggest part of the appeal is that it's a modernized version of the anti-incumbency fad of about 20 years ago; the world looks to be a wreck, and they believe they've localized the responsibility in the current political class.

What they overlook is that they themselves put these folk there in the first place.


Or didn't, because they couldn't be bothered to vote in the first damn place. If I hear another of these 'come to the Tea Party' stories where they explain that they never thought much about politics before, but then Glenn Beck turned them on to the troof, I may scream.

190 Guanxi88  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:18:18am

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

Or didn't, because they couldn't be bothered to vote in the first damn place. If I hear another of these 'come to the Tea Party' stories where they explain that they never thought much about politics before, but then Glenn Beck turned them on to the troof, I may scream.

Break out the lozenges and stand by, 'cause you'll hear nothing but.

191 kirkspencer  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:18:47am

re: #115 eastsider

Can someone help me understand the tea partiers strategy?

At best, the end game is they take over say 10-15% of seats in the house and Senate. And what're they going to do? participate less than Republicans have been? Obstruct more?

Its not exactly like the GOP has been going along quietly with Obama & the dems actions. Nor has any policy been so extremely "socialist" (that's what they're calling it) that it should warrant this kind of reaction.

I just don't get it, its like they're saying "people should listen to us, and put us in office, so we can be more obstructive, obtuse, rude and short sighted than those currently in power."

They're so alarmingly childish and immature...I just don't understand how those traits come off as appealing to any prospective voters.

In simple, they're gideonites. They believe that if they winnow their forces down to the TRUE believers they shall overcome all opposition.

Unfortunately for them, in a democracy a believer's strength of ten (or one hundred, or even a thousand) still only gets one vote at the ballot box.

192 eastsider  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:28:47am

re: #191 kirkspencer

In simple, they're gideonites. They believe that if they winnow their forces down to the TRUE believers they shall overcome all opposition.

Unfortunately for them, in a democracy a believer's strength of ten (or one hundred, or even a thousand) still only gets one vote at the ballot box.

And that's kind of what concerns me. Eventually they're going to realize that their rage, even at its most useful point, will only get them so far in the current system. And then they will devolve into violence.

193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:36:12am

OH NOES!!1 MAI SHIBOLETS IZ CRUMBLIN!!1

I CAN HAZ GRASP?

194 jaunte  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:37:25am

There may have to be a recipe for Shibboleth Crumble in Cookbook 3.

195 webevintage  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:53:00am

re: #147 iceweasel


Here's the article:
Tea Party Turns on Roger Ebert, Mocks His Cancer (Updated)

Yeah, those are some real Americans there...salt of the earth, simple Christian folks.
spit....

They are also the ones who think it is ok to discuss Elena Kagan's looks.

196 elektramourns  Mon, May 10, 2010 11:59:24am

re: #16 Varek Raith

I think he meant "icons" or "values" or "standards."

197 elektramourns  Mon, May 10, 2010 12:01:49pm

if these assholes think that having an "insurrection" is cool or something like that, they have the FBI and Eric Holder to mess with.

198 charlz  Mon, May 10, 2010 12:08:58pm

re: #182 Guanxi88

What they overlook is that they themselves put these folk there in the first place.

And as constituents will continue to demand government spending for their favorite programs like they have all along!

199 elektramourns  Mon, May 10, 2010 12:09:49pm

re: #159 eastsider

have you seen the conservative ascendancy "thermatron" at [Link: www.libertyatstake.com,...] a right wing site????

paranoia is a chararacteristic of schizophrenia. The guy at libertyatstake has established a delusional construct to support his own thesis...

the narcissism of the right wing and its hubris exceeds anything I have ever seen. The arrogance of Palin. The beckery of Glenn Beck. Their problem is that there is no one in charge, no grownups to tell them to stop. They move in lockstep like German soldiers in 1939.

200 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 10, 2010 12:13:10pm

re: #147 iceweasel

Apologies if this has already been mentioned-- another Red State commenter (and blogger) distinguished himself over the weekend by making fun of Roger Ebert's cancer: (Ebert offended the teabaggers and wingnuts over the Great Tshirt Outrage on Cinco de Mayo):

The tweets are pretty disgusting.

Here's the article:
Tea Party Turns on Roger Ebert, Mocks His Cancer (Updated)

I really am quite disappointed by this. Caleb Howe was one of the most reasonable and entertaining at Redstate some years ago. Quite the McCain defender, even. Prolonged immersion in concentrated hatred seems to do a lot of foul things to the soul.

Ugly goes all the way to the bone, Caleb.

201 JEA62  Mon, May 10, 2010 12:46:12pm

Exactly what constitutes acceptable criteria for conservative these days. Bennett had a scorecrad of voting with conservatives 80% of the time. So if a Senator/representative votes once against conservatives, he/she is done? What is the minimum acceptable grade? Not trying to be a smart-ass; I really want to know.

202 steve_davis  Mon, May 10, 2010 1:38:44pm

Ia! Ia! Shub Niggurath! The Goat With a Thousand Young! The Erick Who is Son of Erick!!

203 Sacred Plants  Tue, May 11, 2010 5:38:15am

How retarded is it to mock people over the names their parents gave to them? The issue of legacy names, which people hand down to their offspring because they think that way they were living up to what their ancestors handed down to them, has been well analyzed:

It is the genius of the United States, a profoundly conservative country in ways that Europeans find difficult to fathom, to have devised a form of conservative thinking that celebrates the new rather than the old. But this is also to say, that in the very ways in which the United States seems extremely conservative - for example, the extraordinary power of the consensus and the passivity and conformism of public opinion (as Tocqueville remarked in 1831) and the media - it is also radical, even revolutionary, in ways that Europeans find equally difficult to fathom.

Part of the puzzle, surely, lies in the disconnect between official rhetoric and lived realities. Americans are constantly extolling "traditions"; litanies to family values are at the center of every politician's discourse. And yet the culture of America is extremely corrosive of family life, indeed of all traditions except those redefined as "identities" that can be accepted as part of larger patterns of distinctiveness, cooperation, and openness to innovation.

Perhaps the most important source of the new (and not so new) American radicalism is what used to be viewed as a source of conservative values: namely, religion.

What is visible to the naked eye here is the opening schism between the conservative base and the surveillance community. Which is an inherently good thing, since the power of the consensus, when being pimped by a pompous surveillance apparatus, will be a spoiled bitch. With quaky dreams of a great disentangeling at this point. Someone please wake me up when they are getting from the nagging over money to that cumbersome individual liberty issue.

204 elektramourns  Tue, May 11, 2010 7:28:32am

re: #201 JEA62

We are beyond conservative...there is an extremist movement that seeks power and respectability. These are people who have not studied history, who dream of a past that never existed, who don't know Willy Loman, real slavery, and the loneliness of life. They romanticize the past. It feels ery German---1800s and 1900s. It's not so good I think. With clever but ignorant senators like Jim DeMint, we could repeat at least some McCarthyism if not more before it is stopped.

205 Sacred Plants  Tue, May 11, 2010 2:04:59pm

re: #204 elektramourns

Gestapo travesty against nativism travesty is like Fear and Loathing in Dubai.

206 aurelius  Wed, May 12, 2010 1:41:24pm

lol


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