Laura Bush: Pro-Gay Marriage and Pro-Choice
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Laura Bush goes off the right wing reservation. Big time.
224 comments
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 12, 2010 12:58:43pm |
More proof (along with all the people I’ve heard claiming her husband wasn’t a “real republican”) that the “Mainstream” of the GOP and the Bush family seem to be parting ways with one another…
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brookly red Wed, May 12, 2010 12:59:42pm |
don’t tell me… she is going to run in 2012.
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Randall Gross Wed, May 12, 2010 1:00:25pm |
Good for Laura, bad for the hard Socon religious wingnut contingent
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:01:09pm |
re: #4 garhighway
Good for her.
Better late than never.
The First Lady doesn’t often come up on opposite sides against her husband while he’s in office.
I heart Mrs. Bush. Always have.
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Randall Gross Wed, May 12, 2010 1:01:58pm |
She has a new book out, perhaps she’s the Republican Anti-Palin.
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Mickey Blumental Wed, May 12, 2010 1:02:03pm |
re: #5 brookly red
don’t tell me… she is going to run in 2012.
If she does I’ll vote for her!
If I’ll become American by then (which is as likely as me becoming North Korean).
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brookly red Wed, May 12, 2010 1:02:41pm |
re: #10 Udon
If she does I’ll vote for her!
If I’ll become American by then (which is as likely as me becoming North Korean).
we could do worse…
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 12, 2010 1:02:44pm |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The First Lady doesn’t often come up on opposite sides against her husband while he’s in office.
I heart Mrs. Bush. Always have.
Quick question, is it wrong if I use this as a springboard into a joke about how women usually win arguments/exile their husbands to the couch?
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 12, 2010 1:02:59pm |
re: #9 Thanos
She has a new book out, perhaps she’s the Republican Anti-Palin.
No that would be Megan McCain if you ask me.
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:03:32pm |
Laura Bush in 2012!
Advantages:
♥ GOP street cred
♥ First woman president
♥ Can string a sentence together and probably knows how to say “nuclear”
♥ Sane
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brookly red Wed, May 12, 2010 1:03:51pm |
re: #12 jamesfirecat
Quick question, is it wrong if I use this as a springboard into a joke about how women usually win arguments/exile their husbands to the couch?
/only if you want to tell us all how whipped you are…
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brookly red Wed, May 12, 2010 1:05:07pm |
re: #14 Cato the Elder
Laura Bush in 2012!
Advantages:
♥ GOP street cred
♥ First woman president
♥ Can string a sentence together and probably knows how to say “nuclear”
♥ Sane
we could do worse…
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, May 12, 2010 1:05:21pm |
re: #14 Cato the Elder
Laura Bush in 2012!
Advantages:
♥ GOP street cred
♥ First woman president
♥ Can string a sentence together and probably knows how to say “nuclear”
♥ Sane
Additionally
*cannot see Russia from her house
*has not killed a wolf from a helicopter
*does not need crib notes writting on her hand
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garhighway Wed, May 12, 2010 1:05:27pm |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The First Lady doesn’t often come up on opposite sides against her husband while he’s in office.
I know. This would have been an interesting issue for her to push that envelope a little, especially during his second term when he was no longer running for anything, but I certainly understand how her sense of loyalty would compel her to stand silent.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 12, 2010 1:05:50pm |
re: #6 Thanos
Good for Laura, bad for the hard Socon religious wingnut contingent
Nah, they’ll just dump her like a microwaved tater and move on to some other icon.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 1:07:06pm |
Good on Laura. I am thrilled to see her say such things.
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webevintage Wed, May 12, 2010 1:07:29pm |
I always liked Laura Bush.
I think the only first lady who bugged me was Nancy Regan.
Not sure why?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, May 12, 2010 1:07:58pm |
Are Obama and Biden still against gay marriage? They were during their campaign.
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iossarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:08:02pm |
re: #14 Cato the Elder
Laura Bush in 2012!
Advantages:
♥ GOP street cred
♥ First woman president
♥ Can string a sentence together and probably knows how to say “nuclear”
♥ Sane
- Kennedy-esque driving skills
Ducks, runs, due to simultaneous insulting of right and left.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:08:02pm |
re: #18 garhighway
Bet it was different in the Residence.
Just a lovely, sweet smart woman.
Meesa loves her!
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, May 12, 2010 1:08:51pm |
re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Bet it was different in the Residence.
Just a lovely, sweet smart woman.
Meesa loves her!
Don’t make me kill you, Jarjar
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brookly red Wed, May 12, 2010 1:09:06pm |
re: #21 webevintage
I always liked Laura Bush.
I think the only first lady who bugged me was Nancy Regan.
Not sure why?
/as some of you may know I am not an Obama fan, having said that he did save us from Hillary :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:09:08pm |
re: #15 brookly red
/only if you want to tell us all how whipped you are…
Raises hand… half way… looking at wife for permission to raise further.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 12, 2010 1:09:28pm |
I would very much like to see and hear more from her in the future. She seems like she could be a perfectly sane, prominent, republican counter to the wing-nut stupidity that has been infecting my party as of late.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:09:36pm |
re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Don’t make me kill you, Jarjar
That’s one character that needed to have an on-screen death. Curse you, George Lucas!
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brookly red Wed, May 12, 2010 1:10:06pm |
re: #22 Mad Al-Jaffee
Are Obama and Biden still against gay marriage? They were during their campaign.
/well now that they have had sometime together they may reconsider LOL
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sagehen Wed, May 12, 2010 1:10:06pm |
All the wives and daughters of all the Republican presidents for 50 years have been pro-choice. Publicly; none have refused to answer the question during election season. No matter how vigorously their husbands and fathers campaign on their opposition to abortion.
If they hadn’t been, half the GOP’s women voters would have bolted.
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tradewind Wed, May 12, 2010 1:10:06pm |
re: #21 webevintage
The whole astrology thing. Cue the theme from ’ Twilight Zone ‘.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 12, 2010 1:12:00pm |
re: #21 webevintage
I always liked Laura Bush.
I think the only first lady who bugged me was Nancy Regan.
Not sure why?
She said Def Leppard’s album cover encourages children to blow up buildings?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:13:11pm |
re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth
Nah, they’ll just dump her like a microwaved tater and move on to some other icon.
I don’t think the hard right ever liked her that much. She was just the First Lady.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, May 12, 2010 1:13:15pm |
re: #21 webevintage
I always liked Laura Bush.
I think the only first lady who bugged me was Nancy Regan.
Not sure why?
Because you’re racist!
/
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philosophus invidius Wed, May 12, 2010 1:13:18pm |
She doesn’t argue with GWB about it? Not surprised. That would imply that he could articulate some kind of argument about it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 1:13:40pm |
Before we all fall over gushing about how great Laura is let us remember that her chief accolades are:
1. Not being an insane hyperventilating wingnut.
2. Being able to speak in complete sentences
3. Being a nice person.
All of these things are wonderful and I am not taking anything from her. But the GOP is really in the shitter if you all see her as a savior to the party.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:13:46pm |
re: #21 webevintage
I always liked Laura Bush.
I think the only first lady who bugged me was Nancy Regan.
Not sure why?
She was scary. And the “Just Say No” campaign was an icon of the worst of the 80s.
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:13:49pm |
re: #20 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig, please see my #299 on the last thread. You called me an immoral pissbag last night.
Just wondering if we can still be friends.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:13:56pm |
re: #22 Mad Al-Jaffee
Are Obama and Biden still against gay marriage? They were during their campaign.
Nothing’s changed.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 1:14:30pm |
re: #41 Cato the Elder
Ludwig, please see my #299 on the last thread. You called me an immoral pissbag last night.
Just wondering if we can still be friends.
I never called you an immoral pissbag. We are friends.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, May 12, 2010 1:14:35pm |
re: #29 JasonA
That’s one character that needed to have an on-screen death. Curse you, George Lucas!
This would have done nicely.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:14:39pm |
re: #41 Cato the Elder
Ludwig, please see my #299 on the last thread. You called me an immoral pissbag last night.
Just wondering if we can still be friends.
Huh. I don’t think you’re at all immoral…
/
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Guanxi88 Wed, May 12, 2010 1:15:10pm |
re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote
I never called you an immoral pissbag. We are friends.
Hell, some of my best friends are immoral pissbags……
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:15:19pm |
re: #31 sagehen
All the wives and daughters of all the Republican presidents for 50 years have been pro-choice. Publicly; none have refused to answer the question during election season. No matter how vigorously their husbands and fathers campaign on their opposition to abortion.
If they hadn’t been, half the GOP’s women voters would have bolted.
That has always struck me as slightly gross, however. Along with Dan Quayle’s famous answer about his daughters’ hypothetical pregnancy.
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palomino Wed, May 12, 2010 1:15:55pm |
Laura Bush: “It’s a generational thing.” She totally gets it on both issues.
Good for her.
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:16:06pm |
re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote
I never called you an immoral pissbag. We are friends.
Maybe I hallucinated the “immoral” part. It was late.
Anyway, it’s all good. My nick is blue in case you still want to invite me and Haku to your party.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:16:08pm |
I think Laura demonstrates how far the Tea party has split from the Republican party: they are the party that at least accepts the arguments against gay marriage and abortion, as she does, although they really don’t actively embrace them.
i think it was this dichotomy (some would call it “lack of fundamental principles”) that led the Tea party to wander off in its own direction and start applying its litmus test, which basically amounts to not only embracing their views on abortion and gay marriage (amont other issues), but to vehemently shouting down any discussion on the matter.
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sagehen Wed, May 12, 2010 1:16:33pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
That has always struck me as slightly gross, however. Along with Dan Quayle’s famous answer about his daughters’ hypothetical pregnancy.
Refresh my memory?
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, May 12, 2010 1:16:37pm |
SOMEBODY STOLE MY COKE FROM THE FRIDGE!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:16:52pm |
re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s still around.
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brookly red Wed, May 12, 2010 1:16:52pm |
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Nimed Wed, May 12, 2010 1:17:12pm |
Rant.
When earlier today somebody mentioned Red State’s support for Rand Paul, curiosity got the best of me and I went to check it out. Over there I found a blog entry with the surprisingly promising title Elena Kagan Played Softball. So What? by Erick Erickson. Hm. I just might be with you on this one, Erik.
Or not:
The Wall Street Journal ran a picture on its front page of Kagan playing softball in college. Immediately, the paper was attacked by gay rights groups claiming the picture was a coded message about Kagan’s sexuality.
Those of us who have been paying attention to the whole business of this nomination recognized the running of that picture for what it was — the only flattering picture of Ms. Kagan to come out in the press in the past several weeks.
I know what you’re thinking. Classy, huh? Erick the son of Erick, telling it like it is. One sure hopes CNN manages to hold on to the man who offers this sort of penetrating insight of political analysis.
By the way, here’s a picture of Apollo Reincarnated at Red State’s:
Image: erick-erickson.jpg
That’s right. Erickson is God’s gift to women who like dashing middle-aged chinless dudes who look like they never stopped getting their daily wedgie since their first day in Junior High.
Sorry ladies. He is taken.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, May 12, 2010 1:17:20pm |
yet some on this board will still insist she is a latter day eva braun because …. you know …. she’s married to a war criminal.
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DaddyG Wed, May 12, 2010 1:17:20pm |
re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist
She was scary. And the “Just Say No” campaign was an icon of the worst of the 80s.
Just say no wasn’t completely sufficient, but it sure beat the scare tactics that previous generations used.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 12, 2010 1:17:27pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe not, but I know at least one grandma that would be heartbroken to hear the content of the above clip.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:17:34pm |
I remember Dan Quayle’s reaction to the fictional Murphy Brown’s single motherhood…
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:17:34pm |
re: #46 Guanxi88
Hell, some of my best friends are immoral pissbags…
Where you gonna find shoes to match?
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philosophus invidius Wed, May 12, 2010 1:17:44pm |
re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist
She was scary. And the “Just Say No” campaign was an icon of the worst of the 80s.
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 12, 2010 1:17:54pm |
re: #49 Cato the Elder
Maybe I hallucinated the “immoral” part. It was late.
Anyway, it’s all good. My nick is blue in case you still want to invite me and Haku to your party.
Ludwig is having a party?
Dang..I have lots of frequent flyer miles
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Guanxi88 Wed, May 12, 2010 1:18:19pm |
re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
SOMEBODY STOLE MY COKE FROM THE FRIDGE!
Sorry! That was yours? The one with “Proud to be Kafir” written on it? Sorry, I had no idea; thought it was mine, and so I drank it, every single bit.
(10 points to the one who gets the reference)
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avanti Wed, May 12, 2010 1:18:48pm |
re: #5 brookly red
don’t tell me… she is going to run in 2012.
Not as a Republican, she’s too radical. Sadly, no sarc tag.
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Guanxi88 Wed, May 12, 2010 1:18:53pm |
re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where you gonna find shoes to match?
plastic breadbags, like we used to use over our socks, when we were kids.
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DaddyG Wed, May 12, 2010 1:19:10pm |
re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
SOMEBODY STOLE MY COKE FROM THE FRIDGE!
Now there is an issue worth getting worked up about. DEATH TO THE COKE THIEF! SEND THEM BACK TO … um…. wherever the immoral pissbag came from.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:19:16pm |
re: #41 Cato the Elder
Ludwig, please see my #299 on the last thread. You called me an immoral pissbag last night.
Just wondering if we can still be friends.
to be fair, that’s his equivalent of “punk”. you forgot to swap your filter/
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 12, 2010 1:19:30pm |
re: #56 _RememberTonyC
yet some on this board will still insist she is a latter day eva braun because … you know … she’s married to a war criminal.
Really? I have yet to see anyone on the board say anything close to that….
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:20:05pm |
re: #61 philosophus invidius
I had a crush on Kimberly when I was a kid…
Don’t know why I admitted to that.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 12, 2010 1:20:08pm |
I’ve seen this move before. It’s called a spinning back elbow, and when timed correctly it can be utterly devastating.
That it came from a non-combattant in the GOP’s own corner makes it so much more interesting.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 12, 2010 1:20:13pm |
re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
SOMEBODY STOLE MY COKE FROM THE FRIDGE!
Next time, swab the top and rim with clear, hot chili oil.
If you really want to send the message home, swab the entire can. They won’t know what hit them until they rub their eyes.
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avanti Wed, May 12, 2010 1:21:00pm |
re: #20 LudwigVanQuixote
Good on Laura. I am thrilled to see her say such things.
My wet dream is someone as respected by the right as her husband would right the GOP ship before it’s too late, but than again, even GW has lost some clout with the new GOP.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:21:04pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 12, 2010 1:21:58pm |
re: #74 avanti
My wet dream is someone as respected by the right as her husband would right the GOP ship before it’s too late, but than again, even GW has lost some clout with the new GOP.
You think George W. Bush is respected by the right in this day and age?
That’s a good one!
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 12, 2010 1:22:11pm |
re: #64 Guanxi88
Sorry! That was yours? The one with “Proud to be Kafir” written on it? Sorry, I had no idea; thought it was mine, and so I drank it, every single bit.
(10 points to the one who gets the reference)
LGF Watch?
Don’t blame me..blame Google
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:22:14pm |
re: #74 avanti
My wet dream is someone as respected by the right as her husband would right the GOP ship before it’s too late, but than again, even GW has lost some clout with the new GOP.
wow. Politics really gets you off, huh?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:22:26pm |
re: #74 avanti
My wet dream is someone as respected by the right as her husband would right the GOP ship before it’s too late, but than again, even GW has lost some clout with the new GOP.
It was GW who left the party wide open for far-right goombahs like that to take it over.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:23:13pm |
re: #31 sagehen
All the wives and daughters of all the Republican presidents for 50 years have been pro-choice. Publicly; none have refused to answer the question during election season. No matter how vigorously their husbands and fathers campaign on their opposition to abortion.
If they hadn’t been, half the GOP’s women voters would have bolted.
So, is my wife the 1 out of 2 generally republican-voting women who was shallow enough to vote only out of fealty to said wives and daughters?
Or is that the kind of broad ratio which magically only applies outside of LGF?
Just curious.
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tradewind Wed, May 12, 2010 1:23:36pm |
re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks for that reality check…. it narrowly prevented Lizards from making fools of themselves en masse by creating a ’ Draft Laura in ‘12’ movement right here!
/We now return you to your regular broadcast…./
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middy Wed, May 12, 2010 1:23:43pm |
re: #76 jamesfirecat
You think George W. Bush is respected by the right in this day and age?
That’s a good one!
Yeah, he set up 9/11 for Israel and Bin Laden (who is a secret Jew!), don’cha know?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:24:13pm |
re: #51 sagehen
Refresh my memory?
He said he’d support whatever decision she made. Then when there was backlash, he said he meant only if she was an adult. Then he and Marilyn announced that if their daughter, who was thirteen at the time, got pregnant, she would give birth to the child.
Dude said what he meant the first time. I’m sure he would have been supportive. That’s the problem—the conceptual gap between the Republican who may be pro-life but will deal with his daughter having an abortion just fine, and the Republican politician, who can’t allow for that shade of gray.
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Guanxi88 Wed, May 12, 2010 1:24:19pm |
re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No idea.
That mean minus ten points?
Young Ones. Vyvyan eats all of Rick’s food, using that exact same excuse.
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avanti Wed, May 12, 2010 1:24:25pm |
re: #79 ralphieboy
It was GW who left the party wide open for far-right goombahs like that to take it over.
OK, give me another name that is both sane and has the power to have a effect. (Short of bringing Reagan back from the grave.)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 12, 2010 1:24:46pm |
re: #64 Guanxi88
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:25:14pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 12, 2010 1:25:38pm |
re: #85 avanti
OK, give me another name that is both sane and has the power to have a effect. (Short of bringing Reagan back from the grave.)
Umm… errr… uh…
(starts attaching electrodes to Regan’s skull)
Look trust me this will be easier than the alternative!
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Guanxi88 Wed, May 12, 2010 1:25:40pm |
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Reginald Perrin Wed, May 12, 2010 1:26:02pm |
I would be more impressed if she would have made these statements during her husbands presidency.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:26:07pm |
re: #56 _RememberTonyC
yet some on this board will still insist she is a latter day eva braun because … you know … she’s married to a war criminal.
Someone on this board thinks Laura Bush is ‘a latter day Eva Braun’?
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garhighway Wed, May 12, 2010 1:26:15pm |
re: #56 _RememberTonyC
yet some on this board will still insist she is a latter day eva braun because … you know … she’s married to a war criminal.
Straw man.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:26:42pm |
re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth
Maybe not, but I know at least one grandma that would be heartbroken to hear the content of the above clip.
Sigh. Maybe it’s best she doesn’t hear it?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:26:50pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
And that is reflective of middle America: most Americans oppose abortion and many oppose gay marriage on principle, but if faced with the situation in their own family, they would find a way to accept it.
Those who say they would not are delusional or simply too indeologically hidebound to be part of a discussion and discourse, thich is the difference between a democracy and a theocracy.
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avanti Wed, May 12, 2010 1:27:05pm |
re: #91 Reginald Perrin
I would be more impressed if she would have made these statements during her husbands presidency.
You know, I don’t fault a good wife for not peeing in the husbands pool given the situation.
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DaddyG Wed, May 12, 2010 1:27:06pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
I despise those kind of gotcha questions in the first place. However if someone is consistent in how they apply their positions to themselves its harder to catch them with a gotcha.
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tradewind Wed, May 12, 2010 1:27:08pm |
re: #66 avanti
And even less basis in fact.
I really worry about the mass hysteria that might erupt among some when the Republicans fail to nominate two tea party candidates in ‘12, but just warning you… brace for it.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 12, 2010 1:27:29pm |
re: #56 _RememberTonyC
yet some on this board will still insist she is a latter day eva braun because … you know … she’s married to a war criminal.
She can’t be Eva Braun because Charles is Eva Braun.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 12, 2010 1:28:11pm |
re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist
Someone will tell her. Won’t be me.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:28:38pm |
re: #79 ralphieboy
It was GW who left the party wide open for far-right goombahs like that to take it over.
Why would you use a racist slang word on LGF?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:28:46pm |
re: #88 jamesfirecat
Umm… errr… uh…
(starts attaching electrodes to Regan’s skull)
Look trust me this will be easier than the alternative!
If I end up voting for Zombie Reagan to save the Republic, I’m going to need lots and lots of beer.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, May 12, 2010 1:28:53pm |
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tradewind Wed, May 12, 2010 1:29:09pm |
re: #91 Reginald Perrin
Not I. Laura Bush was one of the few recent First Ladies who actually understood that it was her husband who was elected president.
And she understood it without thinking that the alternative was spending her days in the kitchen baking cookies and having teas.//
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avanti Wed, May 12, 2010 1:29:26pm |
re: #99 Alouette
She can’t be Eva Braun because Charles is Eva Braun.
Charles is Space Jesus, Ice, Ludwic, and half the posters on here. I read it on the Net./
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:29:27pm |
re: #96 avanti
You know, I don’t fault a good
wifespouse for not peeing in thehusbandsspouse’s pool given the situation.
I’d STFU too. When my wife worked and i went to her company parties, i was there to make her look good. It’s not on the same level, but sheesh, it’s not hard to understand either.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:29:40pm |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
Why would you use a racist slang word on LGF?
“goombah” is racist slang? I always used it as another word for a guileless idiot…
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DaddyG Wed, May 12, 2010 1:30:06pm |
re: #88 jamesfirecat
Umm… errr… uh…
(starts attaching electrodes to Regan’s skull)
Look trust me this will be easier than the alternative!
Great - zombie Reagan. He won’t eat grapes but he’ll eat your brains!
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tradewind Wed, May 12, 2010 1:30:10pm |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
Because he figured that as applied to the right, it gets a pass.
Just don’t try that stuff in the other direction.//
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, May 12, 2010 1:30:24pm |
re: #105 avanti
Charles is Space Jesus, Ice, Ludwic, and half the posters on here. I read it on the Net./
He is the all things to all trolls.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 12, 2010 1:30:26pm |
re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote
Before we all fall over gushing about how great Laura is let us remember that her chief accolades are:
1. Not being an insane hyperventilating wingnut.
2. Being able to speak in complete sentences
3. Being a nice person.All of these things are wonderful and I am not taking anything from her. But the GOP is really in the shitter if you all see her as a savior to the party.
Laura Bush is an excellent foil for the right wingers.
That is all.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 12, 2010 1:30:36pm |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
Why would you use a racist slang word on LGF?
Goombah’s is a slang racist word? I thought they were the things that Mario and Lugi jumped on….
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 12, 2010 1:30:51pm |
re: #81 tradewind
Thanks for that reality check… it narrowly prevented Lizards from making fools of themselves en masse by creating a ’ Draft Laura in ‘12’ movement right here!
/We now return you to your regular broadcast…/
I’m not voting for anyone for President that Sleeps with George W. Bush every night.. I don’t care what she thinks about anything and I’m not buying her book…I like and respect her…That is as far as it will ever get..Sell more books Laura! I haven’t heard one thing of political substance for 10 years from her..Now she is in the news selling a book…It’s been about 10 years Laura..You were the most powerful women in the world for 8 years..You should have spoken then…
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:30:53pm |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
Why would you use a racist slang word on LGF?
Hey, if Super Mario Bros. can do it…
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:31:05pm |
re: #107 ralphieboy
“goombah” is racist slang? I always used it as another word for a guileless idiot…
If it is used by an Italian man to another Italian man, it’s is a sign of friendship… outside of the Italian community, at least when I was growing up in Brooklyn, it’s like the “N” word.
If that has changed, I’m sorry.
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brookly red Wed, May 12, 2010 1:31:18pm |
re: #104 tradewind
Not I. Laura Bush was one of the few recent First Ladies who actually understood that it was her husband who was elected president.
And she understood it without thinking that the alternative was spending her days in the kitchen baking cookies and having teas.//
I think she just might run…
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:31:39pm |
re: #115 Walter L. Newton
If it is used by an Italian man to another Italian man, it’s is a sign of friendship… outside of the Italian community, at least when I was growing up in Brooklyn, it’s like the “N” word.
If that has changed, I’m sorry.
Exactly, you big goombah!
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tradewind Wed, May 12, 2010 1:31:57pm |
re: #107 ralphieboy
Wasn’t it mafiaspeak for ’ Tony’s mistress? ‘
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:31:59pm |
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:32:01pm |
re: #113 HoosierHoops
I’m not voting for anyone for President that Sleeps with George W. Bush every night.. I don’t care what she thinks about anything and I’m not buying her book…I like and respect her…That is as far as it will ever get..Sell more books Laura! I haven’t heard one thing of political substance for 10 years from her..Now she is in the news selling a book…It’s been about 10 years Laura..You were the most powerful women in the world for 8 years..You should have spoken then…
dude, you just don’t pee in the punchbowl at your spouse’s party. even if you think it’s sooo the right thing to do.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:32:10pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:32:38pm |
re: #117 ralphieboy
Exactly, you big goombah!
And please show me how it’s changed? Can you link to some information?
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tradewind Wed, May 12, 2010 1:32:51pm |
re: #113 HoosierHoops
Easy, Big H. She’s not running, we’re not drafting.
LVQ was projecting.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:33:02pm |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
I think our point is that it’s not in the me category as the N word.
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avanti Wed, May 12, 2010 1:33:10pm |
re: #106 Aceofwhat?
I’d STFU too. When my wife worked and i went to her company parties, i was there to make her look good. It’s not on the same level, but sheesh, it’s not hard to understand either.
My wife works for a VERY conservative boss, so I have very firm orders to not share our politics. She even decided against a Obama sticker on her car.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:33:10pm |
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sagehen Wed, May 12, 2010 1:33:22pm |
re: #80 Aceofwhat?
So, is my wife the 1 out of 2 generally republican-voting women who was shallow enough to vote only out of fealty to said wives and daughters?
Or is that the kind of broad ratio which magically only applies outside of LGF?
Just curious.
It’s not “fealty to said wives and daughters.”
It’s that there’s a lot of generally republican-voting women who vote that way because of economic issues or foreign policy, but who need reassurance that their bodily autonomy isn’t really at risk.
If the party (and the candidates’ families) really were uniformly in accord with that plank of the platform, if everybody really believed that a Republican administration with a Republican congress really would outlaw all abortion (and not just tinker around access and make it difficult for women who can’t afford to pay their own medical bills and if necessary travel to another state)… a lot of Republican women would turn into single-issue pro-choice voters.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:33:34pm |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
I don’t care if it’s been picked up in popular culture… the “N” word is used in certain forms of music, but it’s not acceptable.
Since you insist that it is racist slang and offer refereences, I will use other terms. How about replacing it with “dickwad”? I think that is at least racially netural…
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:33:47pm |
re: #124 JasonA
I think our point is that it’s not in the me category as the N word.
It was when I was growing up… sorry, I guess things changed.
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JRCMYP Wed, May 12, 2010 1:34:22pm |
It’s always been my understanding that she is actually a Democrat. I’m saying that without a hint of snark. She’s not religious either.
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DaddyG Wed, May 12, 2010 1:34:48pm |
re: #117 ralphieboy
Exactly, you big goombah!
I’m glad we reached an understanding…
Goombayah my lord, goombayah!
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, May 12, 2010 1:34:56pm |
re: #119 JasonA
One sock to rule them all…
Three socks for the Redstaters under the sky,
Seven socks for the LGF2 in their halls of stone,
Nine socks for Hot Air doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
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filetandrelease Wed, May 12, 2010 1:34:57pm |
I just watched the video of the Alabama Republican denouncing his opponent for advocating the teaching of evolution, and then the one above. The former makes me embarrassed to be a Republican, but Laura makes me proud.
I do not consider a pro choice Republican to be a Rino. Here in FL most Republicans tend to be fiscally conservative but not so much socially.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 1:35:03pm |
re: #49 Cato the Elder
Maybe I hallucinated the “immoral” part. It was late.
Anyway, it’s all good. My nick is blue in case you still want to invite me and Haku to your party.
You will be when we get it finalized.
But for the record, I just looked up our discussion last night and this is what I wrote. The context was your usual pessimistic “we are all fucked anyway” speechification about AGW. We can be friends and still virulently disagree - even when the context was attempting to bait me - which you posted you were doing.
But independent of that, what I wrote, what you are thinking of, is something that I would apply to anyone and not just you. It was:
If you believe that science is accurate, then you must believe that you personally should be taking actions to help.
If you do not believe the science I will gladly educate you.
If you believe that once you know the science you are excused from action then I will start considering you immoral and be correct to do so.
Got it?!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:35:31pm |
re: #128 ralphieboy
Since you insist that it is racist slang and offer refereences, I will use other terms. How about replacing it with “dickwad”? I think that is at least racially netural…
I didn’t say it was positively a problematic word, I asked you to show me if the usage has changed. When I was growing up in Brooklyn, there was NO WAY a non-Italian called an Italian a goombah, unless you were “in” with that person…
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 1:35:37pm |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
Ludwig is having a party?
Dang..I have lots of frequent flyer miles
Oh man I would love to see you there. I just mentioned it because I know he is in the area.
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:35:50pm |
A contest between Laura Bush and Barack Obama in 2012 would be interesting - and the GOP might just stand a chance.
Unfortunately for the party of Lincoln, what with the people running the show today I don’t think she stands a chance of being nominated.
Not her, and not anyone even close to being as sane as she is.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:36:26pm |
re: #129 Walter L. Newton
It was when I was growing up… sorry, I guess things changed.
Oh there are probably some Italian-Americans who would take offense to it out there, but it doesn’t seem to have the universal effect that the N word would have on all African-Americans.
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sagehen Wed, May 12, 2010 1:36:39pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
He said he’d support whatever decision she made. Then when there was backlash, he said he meant only if she was an adult. Then he and Marilyn announced that if their daughter, who was thirteen at the time, got pregnant, she would give birth to the child.
Dude said what he meant the first time. I’m sure he would have been supportive. That’s the problem—the conceptual gap between the Republican who may be pro-life but will deal with his daughter having an abortion just fine, and the Republican politician, who can’t allow for that shade of gray.
oooh, I like this Clinton quote from that article:
Asked what he would do if his 12-year-old daughter, Chelsea, were pregnant, Mr. Clinton said, “I wouldn’t talk to the press about it.”
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:36:52pm |
re: #119 JasonA
One sock to rule them all…
One Sock to rule them all, One Sock to find them,
One Sock to bring them all and then the stick shall ban them..
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:37:00pm |
re: #107 ralphieboy
“goombah” is racist slang? I always used it as another word for a guileless idiot…
heh…don’t tell me…you’re taking it back;)
(knowledge of clerks 2 = prerequisite)
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 12, 2010 1:37:25pm |
re: #120 Aceofwhat?
dude, you just don’t pee in the punchbowl at your spouse’s party. even if you think it’s sooo the right thing to do.
Really?
Maybe I should have highlighted the part where I said she was the most powerful woman in the world for 8 years...I have never considered a woman standing by my side that shows leadership and speaks what is in her heart and having convictions as pissing in my punchbowl.
/Hi Ace!
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DaddyG Wed, May 12, 2010 1:37:55pm |
re: #128 ralphieboy
Since you insist that it is racist slang and offer refereences, I will use other terms. How about replacing it with “dickwad”? I think that is at least racially netural…
“Dickwad” is hurtful and insensitive to those men with vericocole. //
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darthstar Wed, May 12, 2010 1:38:01pm |
re: #136 Walter L. Newton
I didn’t say it was positively a problematic word, I asked you to show me if the usage has changed. When I was growing up in Brooklyn, there was NO WAY a non-Italian called an Italian a goombah, unless you were “in” with that person…
It was used in reference to far right goombahs, so I don’t think any wops were offended…
///
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:38:09pm |
re: #142 Aceofwhat?
heh…don’t tell me…you’re taking it back;)
(knowledge of clerks 2 = prerequisite)
Quoting certain portions of the movie would probably get me so banned from here…
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:38:19pm |
Laura represents the conservatives out there who are willing to listen to opposing points of view and not just shout them down and brand them anti- or un-American.
They used to have a say in the Republican Party.
But these people have been shouted down by the voices of those who shout down everything they disagree with.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:38:33pm |
re: #145 darthstar
It was used in reference to far right goombahs, so I don’t think any wops were offended…
///
I was really offended by the word “far right.”
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:38:47pm |
re: #138 Cato the Elder
She has “mothersense”. Nothing more practical.
I do not mean that to be sexist. Just what I see.
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 12, 2010 1:38:48pm |
re: #123 tradewind
Easy, Big H. She’s not running, we’re not drafting.
LVQ was projecting.
LOL
Thanks man…I was a fear’n for my country there for a minute
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Reginald Perrin Wed, May 12, 2010 1:38:51pm |
re: #98 tradewind
I am still waiting for you for you to come up with examples of scientists employing McCarthy-esque techniques in attacking other scientists who disagree.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 12, 2010 1:39:23pm |
re: #144 DaddyG
“Dickwad” is hurtful and insensitive to those men with vericocole. //
I had small-cox as a child.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:39:29pm |
re: #142 Aceofwhat?
heh…don’t tell me…you’re taking it back;)
(knowledge of clerks 2 = prerequisite)
I only know part I.
But I have seen it 36 times…in a row.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 12, 2010 1:39:35pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
If I end up voting for Zombie Reagan to save the Republic, I’m going to need lots and lots of beer.
Gotcha covered, my gold-lined root cellar and non-hybrid seed bank is also stocked with a small craft brewery and a reflux still equipped with a fractioning column. I’ve got an assortment of guns but it’s going to be bring yer own ammo at that dead man’s party.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:39:40pm |
re: #145 darthstar
It was used in reference to far right goombahs, so I don’t think any wops were offended…
///
goombah
An American-Italian slang word for someone who is Italian (origin:a God Father)- Currently also means any male Italian in a derogatory way. (also refers to Mafia guys) SEE GOOMBA
[Link: www.urbandictionary.com…]
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, May 12, 2010 1:40:04pm |
re: #148 Walter L. Newton
I was offended by characterizing Italians as a race.
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:40:13pm |
re: #135 LudwigVanQuixote
You will be when we get it finalized.
But for the record, I just looked up our discussion last night and this is what I wrote. The context was your usual pessimistic “we are all fucked anyway” speechification about AGW. We can be friends and still virulently disagree - even when the context was attempting to bait me - which you posted you were doing.
But independent of that, what I wrote, what you are thinking of, is something that I would apply to anyone and not just you. It was:
If you believe that science is accurate, then you must believe that you personally should be taking actions to help.
If you do not believe the science I will gladly educate you.
If you believe that once you know the science you are excused from action then I will start considering you immoral and be correct to do so.
Got it?!
I was not trying to bait you. You may have seen it that way, but I write what I think. Period. (Unless your name is Scrooster or Sigma-x, in which case I will write scurrilous poems about you and rhyme your nick with “peyote”.)
I responded to you on that thread with a comment in which I said that in my case, inaction is more important than action. It’s the things I don’t do that reduce my carbon footprint to a negligible quantity.
As for educating people, I do that indirectly, through mockery. I would make about as good a preacher as Glenn Beck would a historian.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 12, 2010 1:40:35pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 1:40:56pm |
re: #150 HoosierHoops
LOL
Thanks man…I was a fear’n for my country there for a minute
My post was in the context of about 5 Laura 2012 posts. To the best of my knowledge she is selling her book and not running for anything.
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:42:06pm |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She has “mothersense”. Nothing more practical.
I do not mean that to be sexist. Just what I see.
Is that the same as what used to be called “mother wit”, or is it limited to actual mothers?
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avanti Wed, May 12, 2010 1:42:07pm |
BTW, Fox is trying to hype another non-story, a UN Internet tax. It seems some UN committee suggested a tax on the net along with another dozen options to raise money for the world health organization.
They suggested a penny tax per 100 e-mails back in the 90’s and that went no where. Even if the UN committee’s tax plan was passed, there is no way to make any country enforce it since it’s voluntary. We even have a law on the books to prevent any such tax.
None of the above is keeping some right wing bloggers from running around screaming about a new net tax.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:42:14pm |
| 165 |
HoosierHoops Wed, May 12, 2010 1:42:19pm |
re: #137 LudwigVanQuixote
Oh man I would love to see you there. I just mentioned it because I know he is in the area.
Really? That is interesting cause my miles are on Frontier airlines hubbed in Denver..Next time I’m there we could do lunch…I’ll buy *wink*
| 166 |
darthstar Wed, May 12, 2010 1:43:04pm |
| 167 |
Gus Wed, May 12, 2010 1:43:15pm |
re: #164 JasonA
What up, dog?
Rubbing my eyeballs and getting ready for my sensitivity training class.
//
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garhighway Wed, May 12, 2010 1:47:04pm |
re: #163 avanti
BTW, Fox is trying to hype another non-story, a UN Internet tax. It seems some UN committee suggested a tax on the net along with another dozen options to raise money for the world health organization.
They suggested a penny tax per 100 e-mails back in the 90’s and that went no where. Even if the UN committee’s tax plan was passed, there is no way to make any country enforce it since it’s voluntary. We even have a law on the books to prevent any such tax.
None of the above is keeping some right wing bloggers from running around screaming about a new net tax.
Fair and Balanced.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:47:24pm |
re: #127 sagehen
It’s not “fealty to said wives and daughters.”
It’s that there’s a lot of generally republican-voting women who vote that way because of economic issues or foreign policy, but who need reassurance that their bodily autonomy isn’t really at risk.
If the party (and the candidates’ families) really were uniformly in accord with that plank of the platform, if everybody really believed that a Republican administration with a Republican congress really would outlaw all abortion (and not just tinker around access and make it difficult for women who can’t afford to pay their own medical bills and if necessary travel to another state)… a lot of Republican women would turn into single-issue pro-choice voters.
miraculous, then, that republican women are ever elected at all…proof of the divine, even…
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:47:45pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
Rubbing my eyeballs and getting ready for my sensitivity training class.
//
Why? Did you hurt somebody’s feewings?
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charlz Wed, May 12, 2010 1:48:53pm |
re: #122 Walter L. Newton
And please show me how it’s changed? Can you link to some information?
I can’t link to info, but my Dad used it as the equivalent of numbskull ever since I was a kid 50 years ago. He grew up outside Boston — maybe the pejorative use was a Brooklyn thing?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 1:49:50pm |
re: #157 Cato the Elder
I was not trying to bait you. You may have seen it that way, but I write what I think. Period. (Unless your name is Scrooster or Sigma-x, in which case I will write scurrilous poems about you and rhyme your nick with “peyote”.)
You wrote that it was a slow night and that you were bored, and you tossed Walter and Stevo some meat when they were desperately trying to start shit. I’m not pissed at you. I’m just surprised you see it like that.
I responded to you on that thread with a comment in which I said that in my case, inaction is more important than action. It’s the things I don’t do that reduce my carbon footprint to a negligible quantity.
OK fine I get that. Everyone has limitations and I am not accusing you of burning forests.
As for educating people, I do that indirectly, through mockery. I would make about as good a preacher as Glenn Beck would a historian.
Well I wasn’t saying that you have to be a preacher. Writing your congressman would be a positive place to start. though. But really what pisses me off about your injections to AGW conversations is that every time we turn to the most important thing we could discuss - what to do about it - you go off on some end of the world, nihilistic shit.
The science is pretty clear that we are not fucked yet. There are actions we can take. They would even be profitable and beneficial politically and economically in their own rights without AGW.
What is useful and helpful, is getting people aware of these facts and galvanizing them to take small actions for these changes in their private lives and demand larger actions publicly.
What is not useful is your endless Cassandra schtick - especially since the science is that we are not there yet, but marching towards it. If you convince people that nothing can be done, then they will not try, and that will guarantee the end.
So if you are proud of what you do not do, then learn to take pride in not spouting your nihilistic BS. And don’t bait me by quibbling over the meaning of nihilism. You know exactly the context I am using it in.
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cliffster Wed, May 12, 2010 1:49:51pm |
Q: “When you discuss it with your husband, is it argumentative?”
A: “No, not at all. I understand his viewpoint, and he understands mine”
Yes, it is possible to discuss issues without being mocking, without being condescending, and without being an asshole. At least for some people it is.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:50:11pm |
re: #143 HoosierHoops
Really?
Maybe I should have highlighted the part where I said she was the most powerful woman in the world for 8 years...I have never considered a woman standing by my side that shows leadership and speaks what is in her heart and having convictions as pissing in my punchbowl.
/Hi Ace!
updinged for showing your feisty side!
i had convictions that my wife’s boss was a drunk. guess what i didn’t say out loud!
(it’s hard enough to keep my own marriage straight…it’s going to take more than this for me to project how i think some other spouse ought to have injected extra conflict into their marriage)
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Gus Wed, May 12, 2010 1:50:21pm |
re: #170 Cato the Elder
Why? Did you hurt somebody’s feewings?
Not for a while. I’ve dropped a few f-bombs in my time when warranted. Just being sarcastic about seeing goombah as a slur. First time I ever heard that it was even remotely considered a slur. The only slur I know of in that context starts with a “w” and ends with a “p.”
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:51:31pm |
re: #163 avanti
BTW, Fox is trying to hype another non-story, a UN Internet tax. It seems some UN committee suggested a tax on the net along with another dozen options to raise money for the world health organization.
They suggested a penny tax per 100 e-mails back in the 90’s and that went no where. Even if the UN committee’s tax plan was passed, there is no way to make any country enforce it since it’s voluntary. We even have a law on the books to prevent any such tax.
None of the above is keeping some right wing bloggers from running around screaming about a new net tax.
that’s an awesome idea. the Nigerian princes, being currently separated from their massive bank accounts, will be unable to contact me…who says the UN never comes up with good ideas;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:53:04pm |
re: #91 Reginald Perrin
I would be more impressed if she would have made these statements during her husbands presidency.
That means, though, that she’s undermining his campaign and presidency…that’s a tough thing to do to your husband for the sake of a couple of photo ops.
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:53:17pm |
re: #163 avanti
BTW, Fox is trying to hype another non-story, a UN Internet tax. It seems some UN committee suggested a tax on the net along with another dozen options to raise money for the world health organization.
They suggested a penny tax per 100 e-mails back in the 90’s and that went no where. Even if the UN committee’s tax plan was passed, there is no way to make any country enforce it since it’s voluntary. We even have a law on the books to prevent any such tax.
None of the above is keeping some right wing bloggers from running around screaming about a new net tax.
What a crock.
If the UN was empowered to tax consumers directly, the OWG/NWO would have been implemented decades ago, and we’d all be speaking Esperanto.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 12, 2010 1:53:20pm |
re: #175 Gus 802
Not for a while. I’ve dropped a few f-bombs in my time when warranted. Just being sarcastic about seeing goombah as a slur. First time I ever heard that it was even remotely considered a slur. The only slur I know of in that context starts with a “w” and ends with a “p.”
Well, there’s also D—o and G——a.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:54:19pm |
re: #138 Cato the Elder
A contest between Laura Bush and Barack Obama in 2012 would be interesting - and the GOP might just stand a chance.
Unfortunately for the party of Lincoln, what with the people running the show today I don’t think she stands a chance of being nominated.
Not her, and not anyone even close to being as sane as she is.
Run, Condie, Run!!
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:54:51pm |
re: #173 cliffster
Q: “When you discuss it with your husband, is it argumentative?”
A: “No, not at all. I understand his viewpoint, and he understands mine”Yes, it is possible to discuss issues without being mocking, without being condescending, and without being an asshole. At least for some people it is.
go screw yourself/
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Gus Wed, May 12, 2010 1:55:43pm |
re: #179 JasonA
Well, there’s also D—o and G—-a.
Yeah, there are those too. Used to hear those all the time growing up in South Jersey.
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Guanxi88 Wed, May 12, 2010 1:55:55pm |
re: #178 Cato the Elder
What a crock.
If the UN was empowered to tax consumers directly, the OWG/NWO would have been implemented decades ago, and we’d all be speaking Esperanto.
It would certainly be entertaining, if nothing else.
Esperanto - a sure marker of mental illness.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:56:49pm |
re: #98 tradewind
And even less basis in fact.
I really worry about the mass hysteria that might erupt among some when the Republicans fail to nominate two tea party candidates in ‘12, but just warning you… brace for it.
Are you worried about mass hysteria among the tea partiers or among Democrats?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 1:57:09pm |
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 1:57:52pm |
re: #178 Cato the Elder
What a crock.
If the UN was empowered to tax consumers directly, the OWG/NWO would have been implemented decades ago, and we’d all be speaking Esperanto.
interesting tangent…i’m trying to think of a bigger waste of time than the Esperanto fad and all i can come up with are MCHammer pants.
(seriously, they’re waay worse than bell bottoms)
would you agree?
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 1:58:52pm |
re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote
Well I wasn’t saying that you have to be a preacher. Writing your congressman would be a positive place to start. though. But really what pisses me off about your injections to AGW conversations is that every time we turn to the most important thing we could discuss - what to do about it - you go off on some end of the world, nihilistic shit.
The science is pretty clear that we are not fucked yet. There are actions we can take. They would even be profitable and beneficial politically and economically in their own rights without AGW.
What is useful and helpful, is getting people aware of these facts and galvanizing them to take small actions for these changes in their private lives and demand larger actions publicly.
What is not useful is your endless Cassandra schtick - especially since the science is that we are not there yet, but marching towards it. If you convince people that nothing can be done, then they will not try, and that will guarantee the end.
So if you are proud of what you do not do, then learn to take pride in not spouting your nihilistic BS. And don’t bait me by quibbling over the meaning of nihilism. You know exactly the context I am using it in.
Ludwig, with respect, Cassandra was right. Her curse was that no one took her seriously.
I have never said that we positively can’t do something in time to ward off the worst. What I have said and will continue to say - with or without your approval - is that I do not believe we will.
It’s merely a matter of honesty. And if you think my pretending to see and think other than I do will weigh enough in the balance to make a difference, may I point out that this is virtually the only place I post on the web outside of Facebook, and that my little voice carries no further than the confines of this blog.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 2:02:23pm |
re: #104 tradewind
Not I. Laura Bush was one of the few recent First Ladies who actually understood that it was her husband who was elected president.
And she understood it without thinking that the alternative was spending her days in the kitchen baking cookies and having teas.//
Let’s just forget the barrage of attacks on Hillary for having the nerve to be a ‘radical feminist’ and have a career. Let us just remember forever that she said something slighting about cookies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 2:02:47pm |
re: #105 avanti
Charles is Space Jesus, Ice, Ludwic, and half the posters on here. I read it on the Net./
How can I find out if I am Charles? Is there a list?
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 2:05:01pm |
re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist
How can I find out if I am Charles? Is there a list?
They pick a new Charles stand-in every day. The recent speculation was that Charles was actually posting as “Scrooster”, to gin up some excitement.
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Gus Wed, May 12, 2010 2:05:34pm |
Good for Laura Bush. I’ve always liked her — there’s something really calming about her style. She was actually “raised a Democrat” and was formerly registered as a Democrat. Something I just learned.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 2:05:45pm |
re: #160 LudwigVanQuixote
My post was in the context of about 5 Laura 2012 posts. To the best of my knowledge she is selling her book and not running for anything.
I might like to read the book.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 2:06:00pm |
re: #187 Cato the Elder
And that is a prime example of what I mean about your nihilistic Cassandra schtick. I’ll bet that if a really bright fellow like you got over the mental hump of feeling helpless, he could come up with several dozen useful things he could be doing - even granted his limitations.
And that gets me back to the assertion that if you know the science and understand the science, you are NOT excused from action, and it is immoral to think you are.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 2:07:11pm |
re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist
How can I find out if I am Charles? Is there a list?
They don’t think you are Charles the do think you are a “stupid liberal fake Jew” however.
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Nimed Wed, May 12, 2010 2:07:59pm |
re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist
I might like to read the book.
SanFranZ, the Game of Thrones should really take precedence here.
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Nimed Wed, May 12, 2010 2:08:43pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 12, 2010 2:09:16pm |
re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote
They don’t think you are Charles the do think you are a “stupid liberal fake Jew” however.
That’s all right, I have pretty much the same feelings toward many of them, without, of course, the liberal.
But why aren’t I Charles? What, I’m not smart enough to be one of Charles’ socks?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 2:10:16pm |
re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s all right, I have pretty much the same feelings toward many of them, without, of course, the liberal.
But why aren’t I Charles? What, I’m not smart enough to be one of Charles’ socks?
Well you are a girl.
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Nimed Wed, May 12, 2010 2:11:55pm |
re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist
You guys might be interested in this article by Jon Chait about Goldman, Israel and the Left.
[Link: www.tnr.com…]
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Cato the Elder Wed, May 12, 2010 2:11:59pm |
re: #193 LudwigVanQuixote
And that is a prime example of what I mean about your nihilistic Cassandra schtick. I’ll bet that if a really bright fellow like you got over the mental hump of feeling helpless, he could come up with several dozen useful things he could be doing - even granted his limitations.
And that gets me back to the assertion that if you know the science and understand the science, you are NOT excused from action, and it is immoral to think you are.
You have a point. If the flood of the century were coming, I’d still help fill sandbags even if I knew it was hopeless.
Or maybe not. I might flee to higher ground and live to come back and help bury the dead.
It would depend on whether the roads out of town were open.
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Nimed Wed, May 12, 2010 2:12:58pm |
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Guanxi88 Wed, May 12, 2010 2:15:16pm |
re: #200 Cato the Elder
You have a point. If the flood of the century were coming, I’d still help fill sandbags even if I knew it was hopeless.
Or maybe not. I might flee to higher ground and live to come back and
help bury the deadloot the ruins.It would depend on whether the roads out of town were open.
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sagehen Wed, May 12, 2010 2:15:53pm |
re: #169 Aceofwhat?
miraculous, then, that republican women are ever elected at all…proof of the divine, even…
Republican women in the Senate:
Susan Collins
Olympia Snow
Lisa Murkowski
Kay Bailey Hutchison
all four are pro-choice
(they also all broke with the party to vote for the Lily Ledbetter Act, and the anti-rape amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill).
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 12, 2010 2:21:26pm |
re: #203 sagehen
Republican women in the Senate:
Susan Collins
Olympia Snow
Lisa Murkowski
Kay Bailey Hutchisonall four are pro-choice
(they also all broke with the party to vote for the Lily Ledbetter Act, and the anti-rape amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill).
ah, yes. no other republican women were ever elected to any legislative post. those are the only four. ever.
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Olsonist Wed, May 12, 2010 2:25:19pm |
re: #204 Aceofwhat?
I don’t recall Phyllis Schlafly ever getting elected to anything.
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Crimsonfisted Wed, May 12, 2010 2:44:56pm |
re: #95 ralphieboy
And that is reflective of middle America: most Americans oppose abortion and many oppose gay marriage on principle, but if faced with the situation in their own family, they would find a way to accept it.
Those who say they would not are delusional or simply too indeologically hidebound to be part of a discussion and discourse, thich is the difference between a democracy and a theocracy.
Nope. Didn’t do that at ALL. We were faced with that choice and lo and behold! Grandbaby #4 was due on the 10th. We are thrilled, and can’t wait to meet her. We are all getting anxious. The original due date was the 13th so we will have to wait and see!
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laZardo Wed, May 12, 2010 2:47:01pm |
Now that she’s no longer bound by “administration loyalty” I think she’s free to say things like this.
Kinda like Dick Cheney supporting Gay Marriage.
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elektramourns Wed, May 12, 2010 2:53:21pm |
Did you read the article by Frank Rich recently that said no one cares about the Bushies any more because of all the wackjobs on the GOP fringe who now define that party. I think Laura has a lot of good will built up over the years, she is a Methodist, and she projects a soothing image. My fear is that once on board, she would pull a George, and go rightwing like he did. Don’t forget it was the senior Bush who did the Willie Horton ad which perpetrated the racism message in the GOP that began with Lee Atwater who was with Reagan. The Bushies are like poor old drivers who are never personally involved in wrecks but who do see a lot of them around themselves wherever they go. They family is also susceptible to bad influences like Carl Rove. She could change all that. Maybe not.
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Lidane Wed, May 12, 2010 4:16:16pm |
re: #138 Cato the Elder
Unfortunately for the party of Lincoln, what with the people running the show today I don’t think she stands a chance of being nominated.
With her on record as being pro-choice and pro-gay marriage? The modern GOP would nominate Harry Reid for President first. =P
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 12, 2010 4:16:50pm |
re: #210 elektramourns
I agree with your sentiment, but I wanted to compliment you on your nic! I am always happy to see someone show that they are obviously literate.
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Effy Wed, May 12, 2010 5:22:13pm |
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
Though Mrs. Bush didn’t talk about it much she went on record years ago as being pro choice. Barbara Bush did too. I don’t think this news reflects any major ideological change on her part. She is who she always was
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Flavia Wed, May 12, 2010 5:22:23pm |
re: #31 sagehen
All the wives and daughters of all the Republican presidents for 50 years have been pro-choice. Publicly; none have refused to answer the question during election season. No matter how vigorously their husbands and fathers campaign on their opposition to abortion.
If they hadn’t been, half the GOP’s women voters would have bolted.
It was an extremely cynical ploy (of Lee Atwater’s , to be specific) that lots of people fell for - especially those Republican women.
I’m not that impressed, and especially not that she’s only doing it now that her husband can’t be hurt by it. The only thing that impresses me is her party loyalty - & the fact thatthe Republicans must really be hurting.
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Flavia Wed, May 12, 2010 5:25:28pm |
re: #95 ralphieboy
And that is reflective of middle America: most Americans oppose abortion and many oppose gay marriage on principle, but if faced with the situation in their own family, they would find a way to accept it.
Those who say they would not are delusional or simply too indeologically hidebound to be part of a discussion and discourse, thich is the difference between a democracy and a theocracy.
You have a point - the number of “my abortion is morally justified” stories out there is reaching epic proportions. But it’s not a concrete truism.
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elektramourns Wed, May 12, 2010 6:30:49pm |
re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote
I agree with your sentiment, but I wanted to compliment you on your nic! I am always happy to see someone show that they are obviously literate.
thank you, Ludwig
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MikeTheModerateDemocrat Thu, May 13, 2010 8:26:23am |
re: #38 philosophus invidius
I’m sure President Dipsy Doodle could probably be convinced on some of the platform. His daddy was for Roe v. Wade before he was against it, and Dubya himself probably followed suit until he was threatened with his life by Uncle Dickie.
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MikeTheModerateDemocrat Thu, May 13, 2010 8:28:47am |
re: #210 elektramourns
The Bushies are like poor old drivers who are never personally involved in wrecks
Well, um, then again …
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MikeTheModerateDemocrat Thu, May 13, 2010 8:36:28am |
re: #191 Gus 802
Good for Laura Bush. I’ve always liked her — there’s something really calming about her style. She was actually “raised a Democrat” and was formerly registered as a Democrat. Something I just learned.
Yeah but is that back before the parties did the southern switcheroo in the 60s-70s? Strom Thurmond, David Duke, and Jesse Helms were democrats too.
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Decider Thu, May 13, 2010 8:56:46am |
Laura Bush is now officially on the Fox News blacklist.
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nc gray Thu, May 13, 2010 4:51:13pm |
The being, embryo, fetus, or baby is alive inside of you… Laura Bush can say all day long that she is infavor of leagal abortion, but I’ll bet you tomorrow’s pay check that if it were her, or her daughters she would be all for birth over abortion!
People hate to be disliked and the proabortionist are the popular people and that is the easy way…
I do still think that she is a likeable lady…
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nc gray Thu, May 13, 2010 4:56:01pm |
re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote
Interesting…
Republicans up in the generic ballot, way up in the likely voter ballot…
Really, we have a president that seems to be leading us to Greece and we have people peeing all over themselves pronouncing the death of Republicans… lets talk on November 3…
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