Here’s part 2 of environmentalist Peter Sinclair’s examination of wind power as one potential solution to America’s energy needs. Along the way he makes the excellent point that the US’s outdated energy grid is a serious security risk in the age of terrorism.
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albusteve Thu, May 13, 2010 11:36:39pm |
I'm just not impressed with wind...local use is about as far as it can go..smaller and more efficient turbines for personal and local use....farms way off the grid are not a money maker so far
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 13, 2010 11:38:43pm |
Ah, an energy thread! Shiny, new, and free of the troll crap dropped on the last thread.
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albusteve Thu, May 13, 2010 11:56:29pm |
well, the vid pretty much dispels my criticizm...I just came off western OK the Texas panhandle...turbines turning away by the hundreds....I dunno
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Okami Thu, May 13, 2010 11:58:48pm |
A complaint against wind and solar I always hear is that it doesn't produce energy constantly and you need a backup system, which is an arguement I've never understood. I thought the idea was you put up turbines next to a coal plant, and when the wind picks up, you burn less coal. Is there something I'm missing?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 13, 2010 11:59:48pm |
re: #3 albusteve
well, the vid pretty much dispels my criticizm...I just came off western OK the Texas panhandle...turbines turning away by the hundreds...I dunno
That's what I like about you, Steve: You're willing to honestly examine the evidence and you'll admit it if you know you're wrong. That's much of what makes you so valuable here.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:00:19am |
this, I believe, is our future...hundreds of them
[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:01:16am |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
That's what I like about you, Steve: You're willing to honestly examine the evidence and you'll admit it if you know you're wrong. That's much of what makes you so valuable here.
my value here is zilch...I just like to learn and have fun
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 12:04:35am |
re: #4 Okami
Well, as far as solar, as the largest electricity use is during the day it works out pretty well.
As for wind - yes intermittency is an issue, but that can be worked around.
In the ideal, coal wouldn't supplement wind. Rather, one would have nuclear energy as a baseload (and for energy consumption intense industrial areas), with solar and wind supplying the rest.
The problem is what to do about transportation, which in the US nearly all is dependent upon liquid hydrocarbon fuels.
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Dante41 Fri, May 14, 2010 12:05:11am |
Oi, the open thread was taking way too long to load. What'd I miss?
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:11:02am |
Hi everyone, my audio not working! I wish I could hear what is being said.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:12:33am |
re: #11 Nick Morgan
Hi everyone, my audio not working! I wish I could hear what is being said.
we all read lips...you get used to it
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 12:12:37am |
Because of the intermittent nature of wind, storage is the key. I like the idea of pumping water from a lower level to a higher one with the wind energy. Water generated power is more steady than wind.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:12:43am |
This is an excellent video. There is nothing but good reason to do these solutions on their own merits even if there was no AGW. People need to understand that solutions are possible. They are also affordable, profitable, good for national security, and absolutely necessary.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:13:06am |
re: #10 Dante41
Oi, the open thread was taking way too long to load. What'd I miss?
A troll stomping and a long discussion of sexy stuff.
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:14:28am |
re: #14 ludwigvanquixote
Is there a consensus here on nuclear?
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Bagua Fri, May 14, 2010 12:15:37am |
5,000 feet beneath the ocean efforts continue to stop the gushing BP well.
The new, smaller containment dome is on the ocean floor, ready to be deployed with the injection tube.
Efforts continue to close the failed Blow Out Preventer which couldn't, but also to study it for upcoming efforts to plug it up by injection. With this seal, they will then try to pump heavy fluids into the well, further plugging it up.
On the surface 97,000 barrels of oily liquid have been recovered and mucho dispersant has been applied.
Nasty business this. None of these techniques to cap or contain the well have been done at such a depth.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 14, 2010 12:15:52am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:16:09am |
re: #4 Okami
A complaint against wind and solar I always hear is that it doesn't produce energy constantly and you need a backup system, which is an arguement I've never understood. I thought the idea was you put up turbines next to a coal plant, and when the wind picks up, you burn less coal. Is there something I'm missing?
Yes, if you have a good smart grid and many wind farms in different locations, pretty much all the time some of them will be producing energy. The country is large and there is a lot of wind. It is a matter of switching technology and efficient energy transmission more than a problem with intermittent wind. The wind is always blowing somewhere.
Many other countries have made this work. Israel, Germany and Denmark are three prime examples.
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 12:16:10am |
re: #9 freetoken
Well, as far as solar, as the largest electricity use is during the day it works out pretty well.
As for wind - yes intermittency is an issue, but that can be worked around.
In the ideal, coal wouldn't supplement wind. Rather, one would have nuclear energy as a baseload (and for energy consumption intense industrial areas), with solar and wind supplying the rest.
The problem is what to do about transportation, which in the US nearly all is dependent upon liquid hydrocarbon fuels.
I think if we ever get to a point were coal is supplementing wind that might be a good thing. The reason I say that is because in large part right now coal isn't supplementing anything other than gas or oil. In the long run wind will supplement coal during a transition period.
Fishermen's Energy in New Jersey is planning a smaller project to power 6000 homes with wind turbines located approximately 3 miles from the shoreline. There are plans to expand this to provide supplemental power for all of South Jersey. 5MW wind turbines are also in the future.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 12:17:24am |
re: #2 Dark_Falcon
JFC! I skimmed through its posts, and damn! While pretending to know nothing of a certain sub-culture, it gives such depraved, descriptive details of what it "imagines" said sub-culture engages in.
Something is terribly off with that one's mental health. Many of it's posts read like the words of a potential sex offender/serial killer.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 12:17:48am |
re: #16 Nick Morgan
I'm for nuclear energy. Especially now that we might actually know what we're doing.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:18:08am |
re: #16 Nick Morgan
Is there a consensus here on nuclear?
From whom? I think that most scientific people realize that if you really want a lot of energy that can power a major city, nuclear is the most efficient way we can do it and the one we could deploy the most quickly. Though wind farms could be deployed quickly as well, you run into vast amounts of Nimby. Not that you don't with nuclear, but you need far fewer sites.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:18:52am |
re: #23 Boogberg
I'm for nuclear energy. Especially now that we might actually know what we're doing.
we can always default to the French
go for it
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Dante41 Fri, May 14, 2010 12:19:06am |
re: #15 ludwigvanquixote
Based on Behmoth's comment, I fell that I missed a great deal this evening.
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:21:27am |
re: #23 Boogberg
That is what I think. I remember Three Mile Island, which was very different than Chernobyl.
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Dante41 Fri, May 14, 2010 12:22:04am |
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:25:10am |
re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote
A consensus from this site. I am for nuclear power. I was wondering what those at this site think about it. I know it would not be unanimous in any case.
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 12:25:57am |
re: #26 Dante41
Based on Behmoth's comment, I fell that I missed a great deal this evening.
It was a rather sour evening with a somewhat prudish troll confusing sex games with rape. Troll was fed to the sharks as it was determined to be unfit for human consumption.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 12:26:15am |
re: #26 Dante41
I only skimmed through the degenerates comments, and in my opinion all you missed were the ravings of an emotionally/mentally disturbed individual.
Sort of like reading the words of a serial killer who rants on about "filthy whores".
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:26:39am |
re: #29 Nick Morgan
A consensus from this site. I am for nuclear power. I was wondering what those at this site think about it. I know it would not be unanimous in any case.
I think many are in favor actually.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:27:04am |
re: #30 freetoken
It was a rather sour evening with a somewhat prudish troll confusing sex games with rape. Troll was fed to the sharks as it was determined to be unfit for human consumption.
It was possum.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 12:27:09am |
re: #27 Nick Morgan
I do as well. It was creepy. And yes we all saw "The China Syndrome".
That was over 30 fucking years ago! I'm sure I don't need to compare technologies.
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Dante41 Fri, May 14, 2010 12:27:30am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:28:17am |
re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth
I only skimmed through the degenerates comments, and in my opinion all you missed were the ravings of an emotionally/mentally disturbed individual.
Sort of like reading the words of a serial killer who rants on about "filthy whores".
The degenerate in question is bragging about it. It doesn't really matter, they will now be IP banned.
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 12:28:24am |
re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote
From whom? I think that most scientific people realize that if you really want a lot of energy that can power a major city, nuclear is the most efficient way we can do it and the one we could deploy the most quickly. Though wind farms could be deployed quickly as well, you run into vast amounts of Nimby. Not that you don't with nuclear, but you need far fewer sites.
Two words of course come into play: Yucca Mountain. That and the refusal to allow the recycling of nuclear material by the DOE. It's not really a refusal it's the law.
There seems to be resistance to solar and wind projects as well. Not to be cynical (which I am naturally) but that adds to the delay of even those projects. Right now the studies for the offshore project in NJ will take 2 years. The American Littoral Society is calling for additional studies however the Sierra Club is supporting it all the way.
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 12:28:50am |
re: #29 Nick Morgan
Nuclear is risky and dangerous. However, we already have it, and have a tremendous source of energy being sit idle in the form of so called "waste", which can be converted into electricity with special reactor designs.
In the long run lower concentrations of uranium in pellets, or the use of thorium, would pose fewer risks.
We've learned how to manage nuclear material (at great cost, I might add.) With this sunk cost it makes no sense to abandon it, but we must proceed with a great deal of caution and with the willingness to pay for doing it properly.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:29:03am |
re: #29 Nick Morgan
A consensus from this site. I am for nuclear power. I was wondering what those at this site think about it. I know it would not be unanimous in any case.
I think nuke power is acceptable to the biggest majority here...there may be a few against it but they are outspoken by the advocates for sure....I really dig the Hyperion myself
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:29:22am |
re: #37 Gus 802
Two words of course come into play: Yucca Mountain. That and the refusal to allow the recycling of nuclear material by the DOE. It's not really a refusal it's the law.
There seems to be resistance to solar and wind projects as well. Not to be cynical (which I am naturally) but that adds to the delay of even those projects. Right now the studies for the offshore project in NJ will take 2 years. The American Littoral Society is calling for additional studies however the Sierra Club is supporting it all the way.
Yeah, the NIMBY factor is another insane thing that needs to be overcome.
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:31:00am |
re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote
Good to hear, Ludwig. I'm new to these parts but I respect your opinion. I've been following this site for several years.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:31:32am |
re: #37 Gus 802
Two words of course come into play: Yucca Mountain. That and the refusal to allow the recycling of nuclear material by the DOE. It's not really a refusal it's the law.
There seems to be resistance to solar and wind projects as well. Not to be cynical (which I am naturally) but that adds to the delay of even those projects. Right now the studies for the offshore project in NJ will take 2 years. The American Littoral Society is calling for additional studies however the Sierra Club is supporting it all the way.
yup, studies....the deal breaker, right there...we don't have all day
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:31:40am |
re: #41 Nick Morgan
Good to hear, Ludwig. I'm new to these parts but I respect your opinion. I've been following this site for several years.
Thank you.
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:32:47am |
re: #34 Boogberg
Chernobyl technology was old at the time and France has had no problem with nuclear power.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:32:50am |
re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah, the NIMBY factor is another insane thing that needs to be overcome.
Hyperions are cold, sealed and buried under ground...out of sight, out of mind and I hope people catch on
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:33:15am |
re: #45 albusteve
Hyperions are cold, sealed and buried under ground...out of sight, out of mind and I hope people catch on
Yes. I do too.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 12:34:17am |
re: #36 LudwigVanQuixote
Ah. Is it a "caint find no decent skivvies in all this whores underwear" kind of thing?
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 12:36:57am |
re: #42 albusteve
yup, studies...the deal breaker, right there...we don't have all day
I think we've gotten to the point were we often study things to death. It's tradeoff with wind as supplemental power. If it does impact migratory patterns it will have a positive affect for the very same birds with lowered emissions and a lesser need for coal mining. The same is true for solar power. Sure it might need the development of 5000 acres but it has positive long term impact on the environment. Tradeoffs should be looked at and I think they're beneficial.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:37:19am |
re: #46 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes. I do too.
we are approaching the point where we must pursue the technology we have to work with and press on, even as questions of ethics and morality become more of a concern...and the way it's unfolding with the resistance to science by the GOP, you have to think we are living in a Heinlein novel....weird
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:37:32am |
re: #38 freetoken
I'm all for nuclear. I am persuaded that we (The US) can do it properly. Let us look to the French (the only time I will say that!) for how to do it safely and efficiently.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 12:38:09am |
I'll admit I like my cheap energy. We all talk a lotta shit until we actually have to pay for it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 14, 2010 12:40:19am |
re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth
Ah. Is it a "caint find no decent skivvies in all this whores underwear" kind of thing?
Sort of the sick bastard in question is currently claiming to be pious after he accused a Lizard who had been sexually assaulted of asking for it.
He thinks he is oh so clever and the scum are busy congratulating each other. The sad thing though is that they are so divorced from reality that they don't know who the real perverts are.
There were some that I despised before in the way that I might loath something disgusting that was accidentally stepped in. Their nonsense was comical and their ignorance amusing in a pathetic sort of way.
But this was hateful, toxic and repugnant. It well beyond that int to realm of scum. There are many good reasons why those scum were banned.
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 12:40:46am |
One of the best nuclear reactor designs going up today is the AREVA EPR. 3rd generation reactor design.
Yes, it's French.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:41:27am |
re: #48 Gus 802
I think we've gotten to the point were we often study things to death. It's tradeoff with wind as supplemental power. If it does impact migratory patterns it will have a positive affect for the very same birds with lowered emissions and a lesser need for coal mining. The same is true for solar power. Sure it might need the development of 5000 acres but it has positive long term impact on the environment. Tradeoffs should be looked at and I think they're beneficial.
no question the studies lead to new knowledge and understanding, hopefully, we need to have an attitude with some expediency....the rubber will hit the road pretty soon and time counts, so it does not seem to be to hasty to open up Yucca Mt and take the chance
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 12:46:59am |
re: #51 Boogberg
I'll admit I like my cheap energy. We all talk a lotta shit until we actually have to pay for it.
That is a major issue, isn't it. Europe has had to pay ridiculous gas prices for years. We have been lucky, so far.
But really, isn't energy independence a major part of National security? How much, we as Citizen are willing to sacrifice? The only rationing of resources I have ever had to endure was during the oil embargo. And really, it was my parents' pain.
Of course various baseball strikes blew too... :)
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 12:47:35am |
re: #55 Nick Morgan
Yes, it's French.
Ah, Ha!
Possibility of two for the Central Valley of California. They signed an agreement.
[Link: www.areva.com...]
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:47:51am |
there is a shit storm brewing and the US is gonna require a boatload of energy in the near future...we are on the cusp, imo...clearly one solution is nuclear...we absolutely must get our large metro complexes to use electricity for transport and that means generating it....it's a goldmine waiting to be tapped
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 12:49:24am |
re: #53 Gus 802
Yep. The biggest "pussies" on the face of the earth, the people whose national identity is synonymous with the term "surrender monkey", seem to be on the forefront of nuclear energy.
And we in The States are well behind them on this front. Shame.
/and for the sarcastically impaired, I do not consider the people of France to be "pussies" or "surrender monkeys".
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 12:51:15am |
re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth
And aren't the turbines for the windmills not made in USA as well?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 12:52:56am |
re: #60 boxhead
And aren't the turbines for the windmills not made in USA as well?
I don't know. Let's assume they are. What's your point?
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:53:47am |
re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth
Yep. The biggest "pussies" on the face of the earth, the people whose national identity is synonymous with the term "surrender monkey", seem to be on the forefront of nuclear energy.
And we in The States are well behind them on this front. Shame.
/and for the sarcastically impaired, I do not consider the people of France to be "pussies" or "surrender monkeys".
pisses me off too...it's a piece of cake and we can do it easily, slam the problems and get them solved as we go...the political will is just not there and you have to wonder by now wtf is going on
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:53:57am |
re: #57 Gus 802
The genius of the French system is to standardize construction. As a California resident, I welcome it.
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 12:55:03am |
re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't know. Let's assume they are. What's your point?
another example of USA not keeping up with technology. I am a nerd type and that is a major issue with me. We don't know nukes, we don't do turbines, Los Angeles has to buy new light rail cars from South Korea... :(
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 12:55:23am |
re: #63 Nick Morgan
The genius of the French system is to standardize construction. As a California resident, I welcome it.
Some rather large construction involved too. I like that building big stuff.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 12:55:32am |
re: #58 albusteve
we absolutely must get our large metro complexes to use electricity for transport
Ohh!! I always knew you were one of those enviro-commie-fascists! I am so telling on you to Glenn Beck!
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 12:58:11am |
The big three Western companies for wind turbines are:
The latest biz report on this is that China is fast overtaking them.
GE, Vestas Fall Behind in China’s ‘Tough’ Wind Turbine Market
May 14 (Bloomberg) -- Western wind turbine manufacturers are losing ground in China, the world’s fastest-growing green energy market.
The combined market share for companies such as General Electric Co. and its European rivals Vestas Wind Systems A/S and Siemens AG fell to 14 percent last year from 71 percent in 2005, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Sales are being eroded by local companies including Sinovel Wind Co. Ltd. and Xinjiang Goldwind Science & Technology Co. Ltd....
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 12:58:37am |
re: #65 Gus 802
Some rather large construction involved too. I like that building big stuff.
I would have to agree, but I would go one step further, I'd build them on the coasts and tether desalinization plants with them. Water, it's what for dinner.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 12:58:56am |
re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth
Ohh!! I always knew you were one of those enviro-commie-fascists! I am so telling on you to Glenn Beck!
it's all about the $$$
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 12:59:10am |
re: #65 Gus 802
Some rather large construction involved too. I like that building big stuff.
Me too. If the ancient Egyptians can build pyramids that produce nothing, we can build safe nuclear power plants to produce energy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 1:01:04am |
re: #64 boxhead
Okay then, I guess I missed the intent of your question. I read the "are these not made in the USA as well?" question to mean that you were implying they were in fact being made in the USA.
Confusion. Happens easily in this limited format.
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albusteve Fri, May 14, 2010 1:01:05am |
re: #68 boxhead
I would have to agree, but I would go one step further, I'd build them on the coasts and tether desalinization plants with them. Water, it's what for dinner.
desal requires nuclear power and lots of it....CA will be forced to go ahead with it
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:02:31am |
re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth
lol... yes I used weird negatives... :)
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:03:16am |
re: #72 albusteve
desal requires nuclear power and lots of it...CA will be forced to go ahead with it
I hope so... I live in SoCal and I would vote YES
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 1:05:18am |
re: #72 albusteve
If I understood correctly, Los Angeles is boycotting Arizona except for importing nuclear power.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 1:05:50am |
re: #56 boxhead
Three words for ya:
1. Strategic
2. Oil
3. Reserves
Those oil rich fuckers are now as dependent on us as we are on them. Our consumption goes down, their shit tanks too.
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:06:12am |
re: #70 Nick Morgan
Me too. If the ancient Egyptians can build pyramids that produce nothing, we can build safe nuclear power plants to produce energy.
Right. The latest generation plants are very safe. The problem still remains with the waste storage. That too is safe but there's a resistance to locating wastes sites and not only that the transportation of the waste becomes a controversy.
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 1:08:25am |
re: #77 Gus 802
Yucca. Safe for a million years. But that is up to to AZ.
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:09:02am |
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:09:14am |
re: #76 Boogberg
Three words for ya:
1. Strategic
2. Oil
3. ReservesThose oil rich fuckers are now as dependent on us as we are on them. Our consumption goes down, their shit tanks too.
True, but as for so many of the oil rich nations, I'd rather not do business with Countries that treat women as property. I think women are awesome...
strange too //
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 1:09:24am |
re: #78 Nick Morgan
And they produce nuclear power for California!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 1:10:20am |
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:13:33am |
If you go to this PDF on page 4 you can see the US manufacturing facilities for the GE wind turbines. There's quite a few of them:
[Link: www.gepower.com...]
Another US company is Clipper Windpower.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 1:15:28am |
re: #80 boxhead
Well there's not going to be any significant changes in our lifetimes when it comes to Saudi Arabia. Get that shit outta your head right now. You chip away though. And pretty soon the boulder becomes a stone.
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:15:35am |
Oh, this is funky... equating Global warming with ... birthers and truthers?
Birthers, truthers and warmers
The world is filled with wacky ideas. Some are much more dangerous than others. A tiny minority refuses to believe that President Obama has a U.S. birth certificate. Another fringe group holds that 9/11 was an inside job. And then there's the conviction that man-made climate change threatens life on earth and demands vast new restrictions on wealth and freedom. This latter belief is preached by the same governments and supranational organizations that led the world into the current regulatory and sovereign debt morass, and are responsible for the even greater threat implied by unfunded welfare commitments. Climate catastrophism is also enthusiastically embraced by virtually all giant corporations (including the currently much-troubled BP and Toyota) and by state-funded and UN-promoted eco NGOs.
That's twisted.
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:15:38am |
re: #84 Gus 802
cool... I guess my info may have been a bit dated... I hope we buy USA. I hope I don't sound too much like an isolationist. I just like rooting for the home team.
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:18:36am |
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:18:41am |
re: #87 boxhead
cool... I guess my info may have been a bit dated... I hope we buy USA. I hope I don't sound too much like an isolationist. I just like rooting for the home team.
Yeah, it's always good to keep manufacturing on a local level. It works if there's a balance of trade too. For instance China buys Boeings and we buy wind turbines.
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 1:18:43am |
re: #84 Gus 802
Are bird decapitators the answer to our energy problems? Some environmentalists think not.Me, I don't know.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 1:18:59am |
re: #86 freetoken
"Climate catastrophism is also enthusiastically embraced by virtually all giant corporations"
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:20:25am |
re: #90 Nick Morgan
Are bird decapitators the answer to our energy problems? Some environmentalists think not.Me, I don't know.
Did you get a chance to watch the first video? It sort of dispels the bird impact.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:21:30am |
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:23:33am |
re: #86 freetoken
Just like Lewis Black's Hitler Terets video posted earlier...
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 1:23:52am |
re: #92 Gus 802
I have had computer problems the last week and I do not have audio now.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 1:24:07am |
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:25:05am |
Ahhh... true believers... where would we be without them?
Voyager glitch sparks alien theories
Last month something went wrong with Voyager's transmissions. Voyager's chief scientist, Edward Stone, says there has been a glitch.
"The voyager spacecraft are controlled by three onboard computers and one of them formats the scientific data that's transmitted back to Earth," he said.
"Somehow the format got garbled, so data wasn't exactly in the order we expected."
[...]
"This is just a naturally occurring event. It could be a grey particle which hit an electronic bit in the memory and caused it to flip - that happens occasionally. It may be that the part actually failed," Professor Stone said.
But the spokesman for UFO Research New South Wales, Doug Moffat, says there are alternative theories as to what is going on up there.
"It's very intriguing. I mean obviously this Voyager 1 is beyond our solar system I think at the moment," he said.
"So it's the furthest thing away from our planet, so the closest thing to any possible extra-terrestrial life that might be out there.
"Why they would choose to reprogram it and send it back, or what they were saying, is all a mystery."
[...]
But Professor Stone says the craft is probably not yet far enough away to find alien life.
"You have to realise that as far out as Voyager is, we are just starting on the journey to the nearest star, and it'll be another 40,000 years before we're closer to another star than we are to the sun," he said.
"So the distances are immense and the probability that anything has come here to where Voyager is are very remote.
"In 40,000 years we will be closer to another star than the sun but we will be far, far away from both, so space is empty and so that means it's very unlikely that anything will ever find Voyager."
But Mr Moffat does not believe that.
"I think that is definitely a party line that's being towed there. I think a lot of what NASA says is not the truth," he said.
"It's been well documented footage has been taken by astronauts and things like this. I mean most of this is explained away by ridiculous arguments from NASA, so I don't really take any notice of what a NASA spokesperson says."
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:25:30am |
re: #95 Nick Morgan
I have had computer problems the last week and I do not have audio now.
Aliens reprogramming your computer?
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:25:34am |
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:26:28am |
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:27:13am |
re: #99 Gus 802
Don't know. The politics involved are complex, the dollar values eventually become large, and I doubt any politician really has a clue about what all this implies.
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:29:36am |
re: #101 freetoken
Don't know. The politics involved are complex, the dollar values eventually become large, and I doubt any politician really has a clue about what all this implies.
It's too bad there isn't a way to neutralize nuclear waste. On this matter I don't think anything near Taos or Santa Fe is going to fly.
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 1:32:56am |
re: #104 freetoken
I can't hear it but I know Kyu Sakamoto from his 1964 hit , Sukiaki.
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:33:14am |
re: #103 Gus 802
Remember, the "waste" is only waste because we choose to not exploit it as an energy source, or for other uses.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 1:33:47am |
re: #100 boxhead
ahhh... I have to be.
Sorry. The "/why?" part was for "Why did you make me think of that crappy song?", and "Why did I post a link to that crappy song?"
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:35:02am |
re: #95 Nick Morgan
I have had computer problems the last week and I do not have audio now.
This is what he cites:
Ecological Effects of WindEnergy Development
...Having said the above, we provide here estimates summarized by Erickson et al. (2005) and estimates reported by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS 2002a). Those sources emphasize the uncertainty in the estimates, but the numbers are so large that they are not obscured even by the uncertainty. Collisions with buildings kill 97 to 976 million birds annually; collisions with high-tension lines kill at least 130 million birds, perhaps more than 1 billion; collisions with communications towers kill between 4 and 5 million based on “conservative estimates,” but could be as high as 50 million; cars may kill 80 million birds per year; and collisions with wind turbines killed an estimated 20,000 to 37,000 birds per year in 2003, with all but 9,200 of those deaths occurring in California. Toxic chemicals, including pesticides, kill more than 72 million birds each year, while domestic cats are estimated to kill hundreds of millions of songbirds and other species each year. Erickson et al. (2005) estimate that total cumulative bird mortality in the United States “may easily approach 1 billion birds per year.”
Clearly, bird deaths caused by wind turbines are a minute fraction of the total anthropogenic bird deaths—less than 0.003% in 2003 based on the estimates of Erickson et al. (2005). However, the committee re-emphasizes the importance of local and temporal factors in evaluating the effects of wind turbines on bird populations, including a consideration of local geography, seasonal bird abundances, and the species at risk. In addition, it is necessary to consider the possible cumulative bird deaths that can be expected if the use of wind energy increases according to recent projections (see Chapter 2).
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:36:01am |
re: #107 Boogberg
Don't know, but it is a well known Japanese song.
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:36:02am |
re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth
Sorry. The "/why?" part was for "Why did you make me think of that crappy song?", and "Why did I post a link to that crappy song?"
LOL.... I clicked, saw who it was and went, "HUH"...
I am not the biggest Crew fan.. :)
/don adams voice/ sorry about that chief!
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:36:29am |
re: #109 Gus 802
Summary
More information is needed on the characteristics of bird and bat fatalities at wind facilities in all regions of the county, and in particular areas that are relatively unstudied such as the Mid-Atlantic Highlands, the arid southwest, and coastal areas. Turbine characteristics, turbine siting, and abundance appear to be important factors in determining the risk of raptor fatalities at wind-energy facilities. Compared to relatively high raptor fatalities at some older facilities in California, direct impacts of wind-energy development on passerines at the current level of development appear to be minimal. At current levels of development existing data suggest that new-generation turbines (e.g., fewer turbines mounted on monopoles with greater rotor-swept zones) may cause lower bird fatalities in agricultural and grassland areas than older smaller turbines have caused in California. Data on bird fatalities are absent for many existing wind-energy facilities, particularly in Texas and the southwestern United States. Additionally, new areas are being proposed for development where no previous data on bird and bat fatalities exist. It is important to assess impacts in existing and new areas to determine if trends are consistent with existing information. In particular, only two short-term post-construction studies have been conducted in the Mid-Atlantic Highlands and any new facilities should be used as learning opportunities.
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:37:14am |
re: #105 Nick Morgan
I can't hear it but I know Kyu Sakamoto from his 1964 hit , Sukiaki.
Well, was going to link Sukiyaki but since you can't hear it the result would only torture you.
Did your hardware go bad?
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 1:38:40am |
re: #110 freetoken
I'm thinking of the movie with Marlon Brando.
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:39:28am |
re: #112 Gus 802
I wonder if there is some noise that would make birds not come near the turbines.....
Ask Jeeves? //
wow.. quite a few folks say they can for a dollar or more....
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 1:41:19am |
re: #113 freetoken
My CPU went bad necessitating replacing everything. I have a seven year old sound board and I can't figure out where to plug in my speakers. Nothing seems to work.
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:41:39am |
re: #116 boxhead
I wonder if there is some noise that would make birds not come near the turbines...
Ask Jeeves? //
wow.. quite a few folks say they can for a dollar or more...
I guess a specific predatory bird sound might scare off specific bird species. Not sure. That might work better with bats. Certain colors might work or flashing lights perhaps?
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:42:05am |
re: #115 Boogberg
There is a Japanese movie by the title of Namida Kun Sayonara:
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
and there are several versions of the tune on Youtube, but any references on Youtube to vids from the actual movie appear to have been pulled due to copyright.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 1:42:20am |
Wow. I'm ready to hand over the Earth to the fluffy bunnies. Who's with me? :D
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:43:16am |
re: #117 Nick Morgan
My CPU went bad necessitating replacing everything. I have a seven year old sound board and I can't figure out where to plug in my speakers. Nothing seems to work.
if you have a new main board, most have decent built in sound. look for the green ringed hole.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, May 14, 2010 1:43:26am |
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:43:30am |
re: #117 Nick Morgan
Well, does your soundboard have "line out", or a mini jack?
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:45:11am |
re: #120 Boogberg
How about this bunny?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Rabbitattack.jpg
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:45:56am |
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:47:48am |
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:48:08am |
Well Nick, you'll have to bookmark this one and get back to it when you have your audio working:
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freetoken Fri, May 14, 2010 1:49:45am |
I should know better than to play those Japanese tunes... now I'm homesick for the place.
Gahhh
good night.
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 1:50:36am |
re: #4 Okami
A complaint against wind and solar I always hear is that it doesn't produce energy constantly and you need a backup system, which is an arguement I've never understood. I thought the idea was you put up turbines next to a coal plant, and when the wind picks up, you burn less coal. Is there something I'm missing?
Yes. The idea is to push through nuclear generation plants (run by firms like BP and Halliburton) to power the wind and solar installations. In that way, everyone's happy. You could site them in what used to be the Gulf of Mexico.
Sorry everyone, I'm not happy about what I'm reading about the spill down there - and I fear that it will be used to justify even more dangerous power generation technology.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 1:51:23am |
re: #119 freetoken
This is the movie I was thinking of:
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
Marlon's southern accent sucks but there's a good antis-racism theme to the story.
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Gus Fri, May 14, 2010 1:52:35am |
re: #132 ryannon
Yes. The idea is to push through nuclear generation plants (run by firms like BP and Halliburton) to power the wind and solar installations. In that way, everyone's happy. You could site them in what used to be the Gulf of Mexico.
Sorry everyone, I'm not happy about what I'm reading about the spill down there - and I fear that it will be used to justify even more dangerous power generation technology.
Does that mean we cannot count on your vote in support of nuclear power next Tuesday?
/
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 1:54:11am |
re: #132 ryannon
Can't we hold these companies truly responsible for their errors, if they truly are errors of negligence? Fines and law suits pale compared to profits....
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Nick Morgan Fri, May 14, 2010 1:56:29am |
Thank you all for all your suggestions on how to fix my audio problems. I tried everything and I'm stymied. But good night everyone. It was good to me meet you all.
-NM
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 1:58:28am |
re: #135 boxhead
Can't we hold these companies truly responsible for their errors, if they truly are errors of negligence? Fines and law suits pale compared to profits...
You can sue them out of existence as far as I'm concerned. The problem is that's not going to resolve the environmental damage being caused by "an Exxon Valdez every day" quantitative assessment that I just read above.
And as far as nuclear goes, one accident and it doesn't matter who you sue anymore. I live in a country that generates more than 70 percent of its electricity from nuclear and I'm still spooked by it. And I'm not the only one.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 1:58:38am |
re: #134 Gus 802
Yeah! And more importantly, will you be turning off all the electrical shit you use? Of course not! Because then you couldn't preach via that computer, could you? :D
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 2:00:16am |
re: #120 Boogberg
Wow. I'm ready to hand over the Earth to the fluffy bunnies. Who's with me? :D
Burn rabbit-poop! Nature's perfect fuel!
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 2:09:01am |
re: #138 ryannon
You can sue them out of existence as far as I'm concerned. The problem is that's not going to resolve the environmental damage being caused by "an Exxon Valdez every day" quantitative assessment that I just read above.
And as far as nuclear goes, one accident and it doesn't matter who you sue anymore. I live in a country that generates more than 70 percent of its electricity from nuclear and I'm still spooked by it. And I'm not the only one.
Hold people, not just companies.... But yes, my brother lives in Louisiana, and the mood there is bad.... ( the word bad is not bad enough )
I hate to say it, but despair feels like a proper word. That video of the gusher under the gulf is horrific. I don't want to turtle up and stop all off shore. That is knee jerk. But why cannot these VERY profitable companies have the resources sitting there to fix this type of disasters everywhere they drill?
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 2:09:43am |
re: #116 boxhead
I wonder if there is some noise that would make birds not come near the turbines...
Ask Jeeves? //
wow.. quite a few folks say they can for a dollar or more...
Scarecrows. re: #62 albusteve
pisses me off too...it's a piece of cake and we can do it easily, slam the problems and get them solved as we go...the political will is just not there and you have to wonder by now wtf is going on
Mwaahahahahahha.
Full speed ahead and the dolphins be damned, Sir!
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 2:11:14am |
re: #141 boxhead
Hold people, not just companies... But yes, my brother lives in Louisiana, and the mood there is bad... ( the word bad is not bad enough )
I hate to say it, but despair feels like a proper word. That video of the gusher under the gulf is horrific. I don't want to turtle up and stop all off shore. That is knee jerk. But why cannot these VERY profitable companies have the resources sitting there to fix this type of disasters everywhere they drill?
Why the fuck didn't they get it right in the first place?
Greed and stupidity, from what I've read.
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 2:12:19am |
So this has been my first post fest with all y'all. I have been reading this blog for some time, and just got in. I love the the honest debate. It soothes the soul...
thanks and good night
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boxhead Fri, May 14, 2010 2:13:53am |
re: #143 ryannon
Why the fuck didn't they get it right in the first place?
Greed and stupidity, from what I've read.
me too... and clean up for big wigs flying in...
arrrg... prepare to be boarded you greedy bastards!!!! //
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 2:18:04am |
Alright, I'll back off now. I know this is a sensitive subject on LGF and I don't want to contaminate anyone's Rice Crispies with my visions of plutonium Breakfast in America.
Like Steve says, we should stop whining (which is why I'm letting the subject drop) and just do it, yeah!
As for me, I'm holding on to those Enron shares I bought. I've always trusted private enterprise to get the job done, and I'm sure they'll be worth a fortune once the legal mess is cleared up.
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 2:25:51am |
re: #146 ryannon
Ahem. Did you say you have Rice Crispies? Yummy! :D
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Boogberg Fri, May 14, 2010 2:33:17am |
Seriously though. A "Plutonium breakfast"? This does not compute. This is scare-mongering at its douchiest.
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 2:39:17am |
re: #148 Boogberg
Seriously though. A "Plutonium breakfast"? This does not compute. This is scare-mongering at its douchiest.
Fuck you. Plutonium is what you'd be eating for breakfast if one of those third-generation plants malfunctioned. Not to mention any of the earlier models. Be careful who you're calling a douche around here, asshole.
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engineer cat Fri, May 14, 2010 2:40:17am |
apparently from the point of view of some republicans the oil spill will all be worth it if it can be blamed on Obama
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 2:46:00am |
I wanted to drop the subject in the interest of keeping the morning peace, but what the hell.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]
[Link: weblog.greenpeace.org...]
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 2:56:13am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 4:09:10am |
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 4:12:20am |
Mea Culpa: when I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and it's best to admit it.
Plutonium isn't the problem in a nuclear power accident - I was using it as a general metaphor for:
Radioactive iodine, with a half-life of eight days...strontium-90 and caesium-137, which have half-lives of about 30 years, and about a dozen other exoitic particulates and gases which would be released, and which only someone like Ludwig would have on the tip of his tongue.
Call it a scare-word used by the ignorant if you like, but whether it's plutonium or strontium-90, I certainly wouldn't want to be eating it (food chain contamination), drinking it (groundwater contamination) or breathing it (direct contamination).
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 4:13:59am |
re: #146 ryannon
I've always trusted private enterprise to get the job done, and I'm sure they'll be worth a fortune once the legal mess is cleared up.
For every ENRON, there are 1,000,000 "private enterprises" that DO "get the job done, ethically, professionally and with a profit, while at the same time employing people
For every Gov't solution, there's ,, well ,,another Gov't solution!!
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 4:23:30am |
re: #156 sattv4u2
I've always trusted private enterprise to get the job done, and I'm sure they'll be worth a fortune once the legal mess is cleared up.For every ENRON, there are 1,000,000 "private enterprises" that DO "get the job done, ethically, professionally and with a profit, while at the same time employing people
For every Gov't solution, there's ,, well ,,another Gov't solution!!
I'm really impressed by the way BP, Halliburton and Transocean are getting the job done.
As for the gov'mint, I haven't even gone there.
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Taqyia2Me Fri, May 14, 2010 4:26:39am |
re: #157 ryannon
Good call on not even going there vis-a-vis the government!
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 4:27:21am |
Back to the Plutonium meme. Dig a little, and you'll find it associated with nuclear power fuels:
Plutonium-aluminium is an alternative to the Pu-Ga alloy. It was the original element considered for δ phase stabilization, however its tendency to react with the alpha particles and release neutrons reduces its usability for nuclear weapon pits. Plutonium-aluminium alloy can be also used as a component of nuclear fuel.[34]
Plutonium-zirconium alloy can be used as nuclear fuel.[36]
Plutonium-cerium and plutonium-cerium-cobalt alloys are used as nuclear fuels.[37]
Plutonium-uranium, with about 15-30 mol.% plutonium, can be used as a nuclear fuel for fast breeder reactors. However its pyrophoric nature and high susceptibility to corrosion to the point of self-igniting or disintegrating after exposure to air requires alloying with other components. Addition of aluminium, carbon or copper did not improve disintegration rates markedly, zirconium and iron alloys have better corrosion resistance but they disintegrate in several months in air as well. Addition of titanium and/or zirconium significantly increases the melting point of the alloy.[38]
Plutonium-uranium-titanium and plutonium-uranium-zirconium were investigated for use as nuclear fuels. The addition of the third element increases corrosion resistance, reduces flammability, and improves ductility, fabricability, strength, and thermal expansion. Plutonium-uranium-molybdenum has the best corrosion resistance, forming a protective film of oxides, but titanium and zirconium are preferred for physics reasons.[38]
Thorium-uranium-plutonium was investigated as a nuclear fuel for fast breeder reactors.[38]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 4:31:07am |
re: #158 Taqyia2Me
Good call on not even going there vis-a-vis the government!
I may be extremely unconvinced concerning the safety and economics of nuclear power, but I'm not completely nuts. (re: the gov'mint)
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 4:34:00am |
Duty will be calling in a few minutes, so I'll be leaving the thread open to the usual suspects...
Have a good day, all!
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 4:36:50am |
re: #161 ryannon
Duty will be calling in a few minutes, so I'll be leaving the thread open to the usual suspects...
Have a good day, all!
????
Mighty,, umm, generous of you! (not to mention dismissive and snarky, imho)
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 4:39:20am |
20K Pieces Of Mail Found In Mailman's Philly Home
[Link: cbs3.com...]
I was wondering why I never got my Sports Illustrated Swim Suit issue !!
//
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 4:40:54am |
re: #163 sattv4u2
20K Pieces Of Mail Found In Mailman's Philly Home
[Link: cbs3.com...]I was wondering why I never got my Sports Illustrated Swim Suit issue !!
//
Newman!
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SteveC Fri, May 14, 2010 4:41:23am |
Morning, everyone!
Anyone know what eventually happened to the Bunny? Hopefully it was send to the Happy Hopping Grounds.
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 4:44:38am |
re: #165 SteveC
Morning, everyone!
Anyone know what eventually happened to the Bunny? Hopefully it was send to the Happy Hopping Grounds.
banned (I think)
There was one post that I didn't see that was deleted. Must have been the 'reason". Other than that, although I thought he/she was incorrect about what he/she was arguing about, I didn't see a reason for the stick to come out
(again , didn't see the deleted post, but he/she was taking shots from all sides)
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 4:46:12am |
re: #165 SteveC
Morning, everyone!
Anyone know what eventually happened to the Bunny? Hopefully it was send to the Happy Hopping Grounds.
Whacked. It's now in a pot somewhere becoming hasenpfeffer.
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wee fury Fri, May 14, 2010 4:46:53am |
Off on a trip. Will not be back until June. Have fun everyone!
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SteveC Fri, May 14, 2010 4:47:03am |
re: #167 NJDhockeyfan
Whacked. It's now in a pot somewhere becoming hasenpfeffer.
DON'T EAT THAT! It's toxic!
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 4:48:00am |
re: #168 wee fury
Off on a trip. Will not be back until June. Have fun everyone!
You do know, if you drive or fly instead of walking it won't take as long!
//
Bon Voyage!
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 4:52:05am |
Now I know why the overnight threads have been so quiet!
Lizards vanishing as climate changes
[Link: www.boston.com...]
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SteveC Fri, May 14, 2010 4:53:39am |
re: #171 sattv4u2
Now I know why the overnight threads have been so quiet!
Lizards vanishing as climate changes
[Link: www.boston.com...]
We aren't vanishing, we're just going incognito.
Or Commando, whichever you like.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 4:58:29am |
In case you missed it, here is a re-post from last night. It's a solution to the oil spill presented by two country boys in Florida using hay. It's brilliant!
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 5:05:05am |
Your tax dollars at work.
"This is not a minor issue," Chairman Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.) pronounced as he convened a hearing Wednesday of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
"I think we need to approach this, as our chairman has, with the urgency of now," added Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.). "It is an urgent situation. . . . I'm talking about the urgency of this moment."
And what is this urgent situation that inspired the lawmaker to echo the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s phrase about the "fierce urgency of now"? King fought for racial justice. Towns and his colleagues are fighting for ladies' toilets.
"I am certain that every woman in this room has frequently experienced the inconvenience, as well as the discomfort, caused by an insufficient number of women's restroom facilities," the chairman announced. His solution: H.R. 4869, the Restroom Gender Parity in Federal Buildings Act -- known as "potty parity."
SNIP
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 5:06:01am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 5:07:46am |
re: #173 NJDhockeyfan
In case you missed it, here is a re-post from last night. It's a solution to the oil spill presented by two country boys in Florida using hay. It's brilliant!
[Video]
Theres also a company here in Georgia that has this [Link: wsbradio.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 5:23:04am |
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garhighway Fri, May 14, 2010 5:24:27am |
I too think nuclear has to be a big part of our energy picture going forward. But it will be a tough lift. The NIMBY folks will strenuously resist new plant locations at the state and local level. The only realistic way to cut through that is with Federal pre-emption, and that will make the state's rights crowd crazy.
To make the thing economically efficient (and therefore not financially suicidal for the utilities involved), plant standardization seems to be the answer, but that is an intervention in the workings of the free market that would also stir cries of "big government" and such.
This will be a "strange bedfellows" kind of deal. I am for it because I think our need to address AGW outweighs my safety and waste disposal concerns. Others that would normally be for it might gag on the hefty Federal role. But meaningful responses to AGW will, I suspect, require more and more of that.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 5:29:56am |
Good Morning Solars, Polars and Trollers.
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 5:31:47am |
re: #181 Spare O'Lake
Good Morning Solars, Polars and Trollers.
No Molars?
Anti-DentI
(Seinfeld/ Kramer reference!)
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 5:32:01am |
re: #180 garhighway
I too think nuclear has to be a big part of our energy picture going forward. But it will be a tough lift. The NIMBY folks will strenuously resist new plant locations at the state and local level. The only realistic way to cut through that is with Federal pre-emption, and that will make the state's rights crowd crazy.
To make the thing economically efficient (and therefore not financially suicidal for the utilities involved), plant standardization seems to be the answer, but that is an intervention in the workings of the free market that would also stir cries of "big government" and such.
This will be a "strange bedfellows" kind of deal. I am for it because I think our need to address AGW outweighs my safety and waste disposal concerns. Others that would normally be for it might gag on the hefty Federal role. But meaningful responses to AGW will, I suspect, require more and more of that.
Obama is the one who closed down Yucca.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 5:34:55am |
re: #184 SteveC
Retail Sales up 0.4% in April, 1.2% in March
Borrow, spend, borrow and spend some more.
Ben Franklin is rolling in his grave.
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garhighway Fri, May 14, 2010 5:35:52am |
re: #183 Spare O'Lake
Obama is the one who closed down Yucca.
Hence my point about strange bedfellows. Unconventional alliances will be needed to get nuclear across the finish line.
For some, that will be too hard.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 5:42:06am |
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 5:43:57am |
Diplomats: Iran expands enrichment facility
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
14/05/2010 12:00Diplomats say that Iran has set up new equipment aimed at improving its ability to enrich uranium to higher levels.
They say that the equipment — an extra set of uranium enriching centrifuges — is not yet on line. But the diplomats add that if the centrifuges become operational they will allow Iran to turn out higher enriched uranium with less waste.
The diplomats asked for anonymity Friday in exchange for divulging confidential information.
Iran has been enriching uranium up to near 20 percent since February. While Tehran denies interest in nuclear weapons, that has put it further on the path of being able to produce warhead material.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Tick, tock, tick, tock...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...tick, tock, tick, tock
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 5:46:04am |
re: #187 garhighway
Hence my point about strange bedfellows. Unconventional alliances will be needed to get nuclear across the finish line.
For some, that will be too hard.
I don't know why "they" don't just tout places like Seabrook in New Hampshire (operating since 1990) and Pilgrim in Plymouth Mass (since 1972) ((both of which I have lived in close proximity too)) as well as other nuclear plants that work and work well!
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 5:49:44am |
re: #191 sattv4u2
I don't know why "they" don't just tout places like Seabrook in New Hampshire (operating since 1990) and Pilgrim in Plymouth Mass (since 1972) ((both of which I have lived in close proximity too)) as well as other nuclear plants that work and work well!
Except the nearly 1/4 with tritium leaks.
;)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 5:50:37am |
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SteveC Fri, May 14, 2010 5:51:32am |
re: #192 Varek Raith
Except the nearly 1/4 with tritium leaks.
;)
Several of those have recently received glowing reports....
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 5:52:07am |
re: #194 SteveC
Several of those have recently received glowing reports...
Not the reaction I was expecting...
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Nervous Norvous Fri, May 14, 2010 5:53:12am |
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garhighway Fri, May 14, 2010 5:53:34am |
re: #191 sattv4u2
I don't know why "they" don't just tout places like Seabrook in New Hampshire (operating since 1990) and Pilgrim in Plymouth Mass (since 1972) ((both of which I have lived in close proximity too)) as well as other nuclear plants that work and work well!
"They" (and I'm not sure who you are quoting there, but I'll go with it) do, but overcoming local, NIMBY-based and environmentally-based resistance has been hard. As you must know.
My hope (and that's all it is) is that as people in the environmental movement fully process the adverse consequences of AGW, they will become more flexible about nuclear.
Common sense has been in short supply in discussion about power plant and power line siting. The forces of NIMBY have been strong. I don't foresee local resistance getting that so much weaker that some sort of federal pre-emption construct won't be required. Do you?
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 5:54:18am |
re: #192 Varek Raith
Except the nearly 1/4 with tritium leaks.
;)
Vermont Yankee is the only one I'm aware of and that was back in 2005. iirc it was an underground pipe, has been corrected and cleaned up and their license was renewed
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 5:54:41am |
re: #196 PT Barnum
My cheese, Nacho cheese.
Soup lines, free loaves of bread
Five pound blocks of cheese
Bags of groceries
Social Security, has run out on you and me
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, May 14, 2010 5:54:42am |
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Nervous Norvous Fri, May 14, 2010 5:54:51am |
re: #197 garhighway
"They" (and I'm not sure who you are quoting there, but I'll go with it) do, but overcoming local, NIMBY-based and environmentally-based resistance has been hard. As you must know.
My hope (and that's all it is) is that as people in the environmental movement fully process the adverse consequences of AGW, they will become more flexible about nuclear.
Common sense has been in short supply in discussion about power plant and power line siting. The forces of NIMBY have been strong. I don't foresee local resistance getting that so much weaker that some sort of federal pre-emption construct won't be required. Do you?
Does anyone know about the "micro- nukes" that supposedly are self contained and less risky than the big plants?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 5:55:20am |
Suspicious vehicle causes brief scare in New York CityBy the CNN Wire Staff
May 14, 2010 4:28 a.m. EDT
New York (CNN) -- New York City police sounded an all-clear early Friday after a brief scare involving a suspicious car in lower Manhattan, a few weeks after a foiled bomb attempt in Times Square.An employee for the Con Edison utility company called 911 at around 10:15 p.m. ET Thursday to report a four-door 1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera with two gas cans in the back seat, according to Paul Browne, New York deputy police commissioner.
Police tracked down the owner, who said he keeps the gas cans in his car because he does lawn work for relatives, Browne said. Before the owner was found, the bomb squad used a robot to X-ray the vehicle and blow out its windows.
The Con Edison building and a nearby apartment complex were evacuated as a precaution, Browne said.
Police removed the canisters from the vehicle and cleared the scene early Friday.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Looks to me like NYC has pretty much been terrorized by the Times Square "failed" attempt.
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Nervous Norvous Fri, May 14, 2010 5:56:31am |
re: #202 Spare O'Lake
Looks to me like NYC has pretty much been terrorized by the Times Square "failed" attempt.
lesson: Don't double park your car in NYC if you want to keep it intact.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 5:56:31am |
re: #189 Spare O'Lake
Tick, tock, tick, tock...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...tick, tock, tick, tock
If they would just unclench their fist...
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Liberal Classic Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:05am |
re: #201 PT Barnum
Does anyone know about the "micro- nukes" that supposedly are self contained and less risky than the big plants?
You can never eliminate all risk. The consequences of a failure of one of a smaller power plant would be less contamination over a smaller area than would occur with a large plant. On the other hand, in order to meet demand you need many more small plants distributed over a wider area. Even if the probability of a failure is low with the small self-contained plants, risk remains because you have more of them.
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SteveC Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:47am |
re: #189 Spare O'Lake
Tick, tock, tick, tock...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...tick, tock, tick, tock
Multiple Choice Question: The Islamic Republic of Iran develops a Nuclear Weapon and aims it at your sorry infidel ass. What should you do?
A. Bomb
B. Careful
C. You later
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:47am |
re: #198 sattv4u2
Vermont Yankee is the only one I'm aware of and that was back in 2005. iirc it was an underground pipe, has been corrected and cleaned up and their license was renewed
Leaks spotlight aging nuclear plants
MONTPELIER, Vt. - Radioactive tritium, a carcinogen discovered in potentially dangerous levels in groundwater at the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, now taints at least 27 of the nation's 104 nuclear reactors — raising concerns about how it is escaping from the aging nuclear plants.
The leaks — many from deteriorating underground pipes — come as the nuclear industry is seeking and obtaining federal license renewals, casting itself as a clean-green alternative to power plants that burn fossil fuels.
Tritium, found in nature in tiny amounts and a product of nuclear fission, has been linked to cancer if ingested, inhaled or absorbed through the skin in large amounts.
I still think nuclear power the way to go, I just want to see this fixed.
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:52am |
re: #197 garhighway
"They" (and I'm not sure who you are quoting there, but I'll go with it) do, but overcoming local, NIMBY-based and environmentally-based resistance has been hard
I was using the 'they' in conjuncture with your 'strange bedfellow" alliances
The forces of NIMBY have been strong. I don't foresee local resistance getting that so much weaker that some sort of federal pre-emption construct won't be required. Do you?
Thats why I stated "they" should tout how well and how long existing plants have been operating. Get Dems (the current admin) and repubs together on this ,, PUBLICLY. That alone will minimize the NIMBY crowd to the farthest anti-nuke fringe
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Nervous Norvous Fri, May 14, 2010 6:01:07am |
re: #208 sattv4u2
"They" (and I'm not sure who you are quoting there, but I'll go with it) do, but overcoming local, NIMBY-based and environmentally-based resistance has been hard
I was using the 'they' in conjuncture with your 'strange bedfellow" alliances
The forces of NIMBY have been strong. I don't foresee local resistance getting that so much weaker that some sort of federal pre-emption construct won't be required. Do you?Thats why I stated "they" should tout how well and how long existing plants have been operating. Get Dems (the current admin) and repubs together on this ,, PUBLICLY. That alone will minimize the NIMBY crowd to the farthest anti-nuke fringe
That would lead to more confusion. The NIMBY people represent a critical mass.
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SteveC Fri, May 14, 2010 6:03:17am |
re: #197 garhighway
The forces of NIMBY have been strong.
Starting to sound like a George Lucas flick in here!
"Commander Sherizon, why have you failed in your mission?"
"Begging your forgiveness, Lord Vader. The Forces of NIMBY are strong in young Skywalker."
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:06am |
TGIF
Last night he was sitting on the sofa watching the TV when he heard his wife's' voice from the kitchen.
"What would you like for dinner my love; chicken, beef or lamb?" He said, "Thank you, sweety, I'll have chicken."
She replied "You're having soup, asshole. I was talking to the DOG."
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:13am |
re: #209 PT Barnum
That would lead to more confusion. The NIMBY people represent a critical mass.
How so? Most of the NIMBY doesn't live near existing plants, so have no real idea of the benefits. Most of the NIMBY crowds more vocal members aren't going to go along with a new plant anyway. So target the followers of the NIMBY crowds "leaders" by showing a united (Dem/ Repub) front.
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Nervous Norvous Fri, May 14, 2010 6:07:21am |
re: #212 sattv4u2
How so? Most of the NIMBY doesn't live near existing plants, so have no real idea of the benefits. Most of the NIMBY crowds more vocal members aren't going to go along with a new plant anyway. So target the followers of the NIMBY crowds "leaders" by showing a united (Dem/ Repub) front.
you missed the nuclear puns altogether, didn't you?
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:09:11am |
re: #213 PT Barnum
you missed the nuclear puns altogether, didn't you?
He just didn't have the energy.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 6:09:13am |
NIMBY will subside as soon as Hollowood starts making movies about how wonderful and safe nuclear plants are.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:09:35am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, May 14, 2010 6:10:25am |
re: #215 Spare O'Lake
NIMBY will subside as soon as Hollowood starts making movies about how wonderful and safe nuclear plants are.
Three Smile Island?
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:10:37am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 6:11:09am |
re: #213 PT Barnum
you missed the nuclear puns altogether, didn't you?
guess so ,, at the end of a 12 hour overnight work shift here. I'll go back and look
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 6:11:11am |
...Last month, while I was still in Afghanistan, rumors were circulating that the ISI had detained Mullah Omar in Karachi on March 27, and placed him under house arrest in what they call “community care.” American operatives say he has since been transferred to a secret ISI lock-up under the Pakistani euphemism: “institutional care.” According to several reports, all of this information was confirmed to U.S. officials by a senior Pakistani military officer “several weeks ago.”
...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:11:18am |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:12:20am |
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Locker Fri, May 14, 2010 6:12:28am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 6:13:23am |
re: #207 Varek Raith
I still think nuclear power the way to go, I just want to see this fixed.
Vermont Yankee engineers involved in the tritium investigation said the leakage came from two separate pipes inside a concrete tunnel. A floor drain that normally would have taken the water from the Entergy tunnel for normal processing was found to be clogged with debris and mud. This allowed the tritiated water to seep through an unsealed joint in the tunnel wall to the soil and eventually the groundwater
There has been no detectable tritium level found in any drinking water well samples at the Vermont Yankee site or in the Connecticut River. Both the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Vermont Dept. of Health have said that the tritium in the groundwater at Vermont Yankee has not been a threat to public health and safety. Tritium is a radioactive form of hydrogen that occurs naturally and is also a byproduct of nuclear plant operations.
[Link: www.safecleanreliable.com...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:13:40am |
re: #222 Varek Raith
Quick, sattv4u2, fuse yourself back together!
My birthday is coming up soon. I hope they serve yellow cake in my office that day.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 6:13:45am |
I didn't get any of the nuke puns...I guess isotope.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 6:13:48am |
Obama Called A Hypocrite For Coming To NYC
Despite the harsh criticism of the possible New York City anti-terror cuts, President Barack Obama walked straight into the lion's den on Thursday.He met with NYPD officers whose budgets may be slashed, then took cash from the Wall Street fat cats he's very publicly ripped apart.
The irony is hard to ignore – President Obama schmoozing with New York's Finest, thanking them for their handling of the Times Square bomb scare, just one day after the White House said it may be slashing the city's terror-fighting fund.
On Thursday, President Obama promised federal support.
"And we want to make sure that we continue to work with you to get the resources that are needed for you to continue to be effective," Obama told the NYPD.
"He's talking out of both sides of his mouth," one New Yorker said.
Critics said the timing of Obama's Big Apple tour could not be worse.
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 6:13:56am |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:14:51am |
re: #225 Mad Al-Jaffee
My birthday is coming up soon. I hope they serve yellow cake in my office that day.
Will there be helium balloons?
*Do fusion puns count???*
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:15:17am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 6:15:30am |
re: #226 Spare O'Lake
I didn't get any of the nuke puns...I guess isotope.
Ohm my God, that was bad.
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Locker Fri, May 14, 2010 6:15:39am |
re: #230 Mad Al-Jaffee
These puns are like a fat man talking to a little boy.
Ok that one was bad...
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:10am |
Good Morning Lizards!
This topic puts me in an excited state!
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:20am |
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:30am |
Although instead of work, I wish I was fission.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:49am |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:17:29am |
re: #236 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's kind of the reaction I was expecting.
You won't survive the fallout of the badness of your pun.
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:17:50am |
re: #237 Varek Raith
You won't survive the fallout of the badness of your pun.
Hey baby, give me your atomic number...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:19:08am |
re: #237 Varek Raith
You won't survive the fallout of the badness of your pun.
I guess that one kind of bombed.
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:19:09am |
I'm curie(ous), how did we get on this topic again?
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Locker Fri, May 14, 2010 6:19:15am |
re: #237 Varek Raith
You won't survive the fallout of the badness of your pun.
You have no chance to survive make your time...
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garhighway Fri, May 14, 2010 6:19:34am |
re: #224 sattv4u2
Vermont Yankee engineers involved in the tritium investigation said the leakage came from two separate pipes inside a concrete tunnel. A floor drain that normally would have taken the water from the Entergy tunnel for normal processing was found to be clogged with debris and mud. This allowed the tritiated water to seep through an unsealed joint in the tunnel wall to the soil and eventually the groundwater
There has been no detectable tritium level found in any drinking water well samples at the Vermont Yankee site or in the Connecticut River. Both the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Vermont Dept. of Health have said that the tritium in the groundwater at Vermont Yankee has not been a threat to public health and safety. Tritium is a radioactive form of hydrogen that occurs naturally and is also a byproduct of nuclear plant operations.
[Link: www.safecleanreliable.com...]
I note that the Vermont Senate voted to not renew the Vermont Yankee license, and the vote wasn't close. I don't think D's and R's in Washington simply joining hands and singing is going to get us anywhere. I think they have to take nuclear power plant (and transmission line) siting and licensing away from the locals or it will never get done.
And while they are at it, I suspect they will have to do the same with offshore wind, else we will have 10 year legal battles over that, too.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:19:34am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 6:20:21am |
Those are all painfully old. Don't you know any current puns?
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 6:20:42am |
re: #236 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's kind of the reaction I was expecting.
Please let's not have a meltdown here.
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charlz Fri, May 14, 2010 6:20:51am |
re: #241 rwdflynavy
I'm curie(ous), how did we get on this topic again?
dunno... I'm neutron on this subject.
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:21:05am |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
Those are all painfully old. Don't you know any current puns?
I didn't know they had a half-life.
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Locker Fri, May 14, 2010 6:21:15am |
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Locker Fri, May 14, 2010 6:21:36am |
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:22:17am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 6:22:23am |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:23:02am |
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:23:06am |
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 14, 2010 6:23:27am |
If you put viagra in the fuel rod will it be any harder to dispose of?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:23:27am |
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Locker Fri, May 14, 2010 6:23:33am |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 6:23:54am |
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charlz Fri, May 14, 2010 6:25:08am |
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Locker Fri, May 14, 2010 6:25:23am |
re: #258 Varek Raith
Pun too obscure???
:)
For as bright as I may THINK I am... I don't speak "pun". I am very fluent, however, in it's cousin language "reference".
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 6:26:28am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:27:12am |
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:28:22am |
OK, I gotta scram. Class calls. Later Lizards
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, May 14, 2010 6:28:55am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:21am |
re: #263 Varek Raith
We sure are generating some bad puns.
Any more of these and they'll have to charge us with assault and
battery.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:28am |
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charlz Fri, May 14, 2010 6:31:07am |
re: #268 Varek Raith
Nice transition.
maybe. there might be a cleavage between the boob and nuke punsters, tho.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, May 14, 2010 6:32:05am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 6:32:50am |
re: #243 garhighway
I note that the Vermont Senate voted to not renew the Vermont Yankee license, and the vote wasn't close
Closure is still 2 years away. With Obama behind nuke energy, the state senate could reverse itself IF Vermont Yankee shows it is taking care of it's problems and IF (as I stated) national and local politicians show a willingness to work together
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rwdflynavy Fri, May 14, 2010 6:33:06am |
re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar
Bagua hacked my titter account.
That's just good clean American fun there!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, May 14, 2010 6:35:51am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 14, 2010 6:36:29am |
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Nervous Norvous Fri, May 14, 2010 6:38:55am |
re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar
Bagua hacked my titter account.
Anybody got change for a quarter? Two dimes and a nipple please
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 14, 2010 6:45:39am |
heh.
I see what happens when the ladies aren't around.
You guys turn into 6-year-olds!
LOL
g'morning, everyone!
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garhighway Fri, May 14, 2010 6:46:02am |
re: #271 sattv4u2
I note that the Vermont Senate voted to not renew the Vermont Yankee license, and the vote wasn't close
Closure is still 2 years away. With Obama behind nuke energy, the state senate could reverse itself IF Vermont Yankee shows it is taking care of it's problems and IF (as I stated) national and local politicians show a willingness to work together
I appreciate your optimism, but I think we are past the point where joint press conferences can get it done. Not that they would hurt, or that they shouldn't occur. But I tend to think that the local politics are simply too intense in those situations for bi-partisan happy talk from Washington to move the needle in a meaningful way.
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cliffster Fri, May 14, 2010 6:48:03am |
Tulsa still getting pounded. My in-laws are ready for a break. And now - San Antonio under tornado warning. WTF? San Antonio? Good grief. And almost my whole family lives there. Cut this shit out, mamma nature
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, May 14, 2010 6:51:26am |
re: #277 reine.de.tout
heh.
I see what happens when the ladies aren't around.
You guys turn into 6-year-olds!
LOLg'morning, everyone!
Just shooting for the lowest common denominator.:)
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 14, 2010 6:54:39am |
Erick Erickson of RedState posts Elena Kagan's thesis on socialism in early 20th century New York, beating any number of conservative reporters to the punch, and coming up with ... well, not a lot. As a college graduate who wrote one term paper on the efficacy of Stalin's Russification on the Asian states of the Soviet Union, I chuckle at the idea that a paper on radicalism is evidence of the author's radicalism.
But if this catches on in conservative blogs, expect this to be the takeaway, from Kagan's conclusion:
The story is sad but also a chastening one for those who, more than a half century after socialism’s decline, still wish to change America.And if this catches on, it's quite a coup for RedState.
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 7:00:45am |
re: #278 garhighway
but I think we are past the point where joint press conferences can get it done
{sigh},, I'm not talking about a "joint press conference' or a "Kumbaya moment". I'm talking bi-partisan legislative action(s) at both the state and fed levels. I'm talking about having it as part of both parties platforms
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sattv4u2 Fri, May 14, 2010 7:01:14am |
And on that note,.,., I take the long drive home
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 14, 2010 7:02:54am |
Paranoid Maine GOP activists ransack classroom in search of propaganda....
GOP Apologizes for Portland Classroom Incident
The state Republican Party is apologizing for the actions of a group of GOP activists from Knox County, who allegedly searched a Portland public school classroom in which they met during last weekend's state party convention, and removed a poster from the classroom door. The Knox County group has openly criticized a classroom art project aimed at educating students about free speech, but denies any role in searching or stealing its contents.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, May 14, 2010 7:07:46am |
Not good news!!!
[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 7:11:42am |
Chile's state television said Thursday night that the traces were found on clothes seized in a search of Mohammed Saifur Rehman Khan's home.
Investigators also were looking for five more people known to Khan for questioning, the report said.
SNIP
Khan, 28, is being held for a week under Chile's anti-terrorism laws while being investigated for alleged explosives violations. He was summoned to the U.S. Embassy on Monday because his U.S. visa had been revoked, and he was arrested after security equipment detected traces of explosives on his phone and papers.
SNIP
State TV said on the evening news that crime lab personnel had identified the material as Tetryl, a compound used to increase the explosive power of TNT. Police in white suits also took away Khan's computer earlier this week.
Police spent hours Thursday searching the apartment of an Egyptian man who was friendly with Khan.
Officers dressed head-to-toe in white anti-contamination suits carried out a computer, compact discs, an agenda and a cell phone, police said. The Egyptian man who reportedly befriended Khan at a mosque in the Chilean capital of Santiago was not seen by reporters, and police released no information about him.
Khan came to Chile in January to study Spanish and the hotel industry after staying with his brother, a doctoral student at Michigan State University, for a month last year, according to the Pakistani Embassy.
SNIP
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prairiefire Fri, May 14, 2010 7:12:27am |
"More jobs may be created this year than than in all of George W. Bush's presidency." Ron Brownstein:[Link: www.nationaljournal.com...]
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 14, 2010 7:14:50am |
re: #288 prairiefire
"More jobs may be created this year than than in all of George W. Bush's presidency." Ron Brownstein:[Link: www.nationaljournal.com...]
That might be accurate but there are a lot of ways to spin the numbers. What's certain is that employment is improving. There's no doubt about that. Good news.
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 7:16:13am |
Intelligence sources are targeting no less than seven different groups in the provinces of Paktika, Paktya, and Khost – collectively referred to as “P2K.” And while al Qaeda and the Taliban are on the list, depending on the P2K province in question, they are not the primary threat. In some cases the enemy is a network led by Sirajuddin Haqqani, the son of a well-known Soviet-era Mujahedeen fighter, who is less an Islamic ideologue than a thug interested in controlling as much of Afghanistan as possible, intelligence sources here say.
“He’s like the Pablo Escobar of Miramshah,” said a battalion source, referring to the Pakistan town where Haqqani is based. “He’s a power broker. He just wants his cut.”
In other cases the threats are disenfranchised Mujahedeen alums who are trying to undermine the fledgling Karzai government. And one of the groups – the Paktika Ambush Network – is nothing more than a growing gang of locals that seems to have no aspirations beyond attacking ISAF forces for sport.
SNIP
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 7:16:53am |
re: #277 reine.de.tout
heh.
I see what happens when the ladies aren't around.
You guys turn into 6-year-olds!
LOLg'morning, everyone!
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 7:17:50am |
Both the rebels and pro-government fighters have occupied schools by force, scaring off teachers and students in a region where school attendance is already abysmally low. “Schools are being seized by armed men from both sides,” Yemen UNICEF representative Geere Cappelaere told Reuters in an interview late on Wednesday.
“This may be indicative of the jeopardisation of the ceasefire as a whole,” he said. “We would have loved to see these efforts being sustained. Unfortunately there are indications that we’re headed in the opposite direction.”
SNIP
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 7:19:30am |
“We know that women are central to long-term stability and our strategy to promote security, good governance, and economic and social development inside Afghanistan,” Clinton told Afghan female ministers visiting Washington.
And she pledged to continue US aid for women in Afghanistan.
The chief US diplomat promised aid for female education, maternal and other health services, protection of women from violence, and for enhancing their roles in agriculture and the economy.
SNIP
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Varek Raith Fri, May 14, 2010 7:20:24am |
Congressman to launch inquiry on how much oil is gushing into Gulf
A researcher at Purdue University said BP's estimate on the oil leak was very low. Associate Professor Steve Wereley predicted that about 70,000 barrels of oil per day are gushing into the Gulf after analyzing video of the spill.
Wereley said he arrived at that number after spending two hours Thursday analyzing video of a spill using a technique called particle image velocimetry. He said there is a 20 percent margin of error, which means between 56,000 and 84,000 barrels could be leaking daily.
"You can't say with precision, but you can see there's definitely more coming out of that pipe than people thought. It's definitely not 5,000 barrels a day," he said.
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 7:21:45am |
Warsi has made a virtue of being a daughter of a Pakistani immigrant millworker. "Its terribly humbling,'' she said as this diminutive figure demurely walked through the British capital's government district of Whitehall to attend her first cabinet meeting at 10 Downing Street on Thursday.
Warsi shot into British media limelight after she, among others, successfully secured the release of a British school teacher, Gillian Gibbons, in Sudan in 2007. The latter had been convicted and imprisoned for permitting her pupils name a teddy bear Mohammed. Warsi is, arguably, a beneficiary of a drive by British political parties to woo Britons of Islamic faith, mostly of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin, but of Middle Eastern and North African extraction, disaffected since the United Kingdom's 2001 intervention in Afghanistan and invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Last year, she was pelted with eggs by militant Muslims in Luton. They accused her of not being a proper Muslim and supporting the death of Muslims in Afghanistan. Warsi called them "idiots who do not represent the majority of British Muslims.''
SNIP
I wonder if Parker and Stone remembered Gibbon's arrest.
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cliffster Fri, May 14, 2010 7:23:11am |
Ted Poe asks Eric Holder if he has read the bill that he has been condemning
The answer is, "well, ahem, I, er, well I glanced at it".
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studentpatriot Fri, May 14, 2010 7:23:46am |
FYI: I have a buddy in Texas that deals directly with regulating energy produced from wind farms. The dirty secret about wind farms is that they are backed up by conventional coal - "Wait, we all knew that, blah blah blah...". What he told me was that the cleanest way to burn coal is to leave the plants constantly running - by continually turning off, then firing up again the coal plant you are creating much more pollution than simply doing a constant full burn.
So the question becomes, is it more green to constantly stop and start coal plants when the wind blows or to keep the coal plants going constantly?
Food for thought.
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 7:23:58am |
The UN General Assembly approved all 14 candidates for the 14 seats on the 47-member council by wide margins despite campaigns by human rights groups to deny countries with poor rights records the minimum number of votes needed.
All 14 countries easily topped the 97 votes required from the 192-member world body. Libya, which currently holds the presidency of the General Assembly, received the lowest number of votes — 155 — while Angola got 170 and Malaysia 179.
In addition to these three countries, human rights groups criticized the poor rights records of Thailand, Uganda, Mauritania and Qatar which also won seats.
SNIP
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 7:27:06am |
In the most recent episode of the weekly program We Are Returning, this denial of Israel's right to exist led to a concrete demand. The PA TV narrator called for Jews to leave Israel and go to Europe and Ethiopia - "your original homeland."
PA TV also added a visual message of non-recognition of Israel. The camera focused on a drawing of a map that included all of Israel, but showed Israel erased and covered entirely by the Palestinian flag.
PA TV is owned by the Palestinian Authority, and is the responsibility of the office of PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.
SNIP
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garhighway Fri, May 14, 2010 7:37:38am |
re: #283 sattv4u2
but I think we are past the point where joint press conferences can get it done
{sigh},, I'm not talking about a "joint press conference' or a "Kumbaya moment". I'm talking bi-partisan legislative action(s) at both the state and fed levels. I'm talking about having it as part of both parties platforms
Then I'm sorry, because I misunderstood you. I agree that joint legislative action is the way to go. I think it is a national problem requiring a national solution, so I think that is where the action will be and must be, but legislation at any level that makes nuclear more accessible is desirable.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 14, 2010 7:40:37am |
re: #295 MandyManners
I wonder if Parker and Stone remembered Gibbon's arrest.
Anyone who wants an example of the sort of Muslim we need on our side, this is it. David Cameron is wise to promote her publicly.
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MandyManners Fri, May 14, 2010 7:43:22am |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
Anyone who wants an example of the sort of Muslim we need on our side, this is it. David Cameron is wise to promote her publicly.
Don't you know this pisses the Islamists off to no end!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 14, 2010 8:27:26am |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
Paranoid Maine GOP activists ransack classroom in search of propaganda...
GOP Apologizes for Portland Classroom Incident
What's UP with Maine these days?
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mkelly Fri, May 14, 2010 8:27:59am |
Wind power, and inefficient solution to a non-existent problem.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 14, 2010 8:29:10am |
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 9:10:19am |
re: #207 Varek Raith
Leaks spotlight aging nuclear plants
MONTPELIER, Vt. - Radioactive tritium, a carcinogen discovered in potentially dangerous levels in groundwater at the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, now taints at least 27 of the nation's 104 nuclear reactors — raising concerns about how it is escaping from the aging nuclear plants.
The leaks — many from deteriorating underground pipes — come as the nuclear industry is seeking and obtaining federal license renewals, casting itself as a clean-green alternative to power plants that burn fossil fuels.
Tritium, found in nature in tiny amounts and a product of nuclear fission, has been linked to cancer if ingested, inhaled or absorbed through the skin in large amounts.
re: #224 sattv4u2
Vermont Yankee engineers involved in the tritium investigation said the leakage came from two separate pipes inside a concrete tunnel. A floor drain that normally would have taken the water from the Entergy tunnel for normal processing was found to be clogged with debris and mud. This allowed the tritiated water to seep through an unsealed joint in the tunnel wall to the soil and eventually the groundwater
There has been no detectable tritium level found in any drinking water well samples at the Vermont Yankee site or in the Connecticut River. Both the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Vermont Dept. of Health have said that the tritium in the groundwater at Vermont Yankee has not been a threat to public health and safety. Tritium is a radioactive form of hydrogen that occurs naturally and is also a byproduct of nuclear plant operations.
[Link: www.safecleanreliable.com...]
Um...so which is it?
It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that according to MSNBC, people living in the area of Vermont Yankee are drinking this crap, while at "SafeCleanReliable" (LOL) there's nothing to see here, so move on folks.
Fucking clowns.
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 9:22:03am |
re: #162 sattv4u2
???
Mighty,, umm, generous of you! (not to mention dismissive and snarky, imho)
Chip on the old shoulder much?
Up to the point of posting that message, I was practically a monologue. Almost no one was posting, which was logical since there were only six or seven people on the board at that advanced hour.
I politely bid by adieu and mentioned the arrival of more posters later on, using the image of "leaving the thread open to the usual suspects."
One would have to be extremely thin-skinned or looking for an excuse to be offended to interpret that as condescending snark.
It would have been move honest if you simply said that you'll attack the messenger if you don't like the message.
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ryannon Fri, May 14, 2010 9:24:47am |
PIMF: it was practically a monologue / I politely bid adieu / It would have been more honest.
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Sacred Plants Fri, May 14, 2010 9:28:29am |
re: #16 Nick Morgan
Is there a consensus here on nuclear?
Call the United Nations nuclear waste disposal service!
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