Dumbest Wingnut Post of the Week By Far

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Erick Son of Erick has broken a huge, nay, enormous, nay, brobdingnagian story. Forsooth, the master of the great RedState has discovered that while a mere college student, Elena Kagan wrote a thesis that proveth beyond the shadoweth of a doubteth that Kagan is … yes … waiteth for it … a socialist.

Yawn.

This latest idiocy from the wingnutosphere doesn’t even deserve an “Outrageous Outrage of the Day” label. It might deserve an award for dumbest blog post of the year, though. BREAKING: We Have Elena Kagan’s College Thesis.

Kagan’s undergraduate thesis is titled, “To the Final Conflict: Socialism in New York City, 1900-1933,” and it’s a historical study of the failure of socialism in New York in the early part of the 20th century. To Erickson and his dim followers, this is all the proof they need.

Isn’t anyone in the right wing blogosphere embarrassed at Erickson’s stupidity? Isn’t CNN embarrassed at hiring him as a consultant, when he has the intelligence and analytical abilities of a blue soap dish?

UPDATE at 5/14/10 5:10:48 pm:

And to put the idiot icing on the crazy cake, Erickson posted Kagan’s thesis illegally, violating its copyright, and Princeton sent redstate.com a letter demanding that it be taken down.

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1207 comments
1 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:53:55pm

Leave blue soap dishes alone!

2 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:55:57pm

Blueist!

3 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:56:23pm

Okay, I'm lost with the whole "blue" meme.

4 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:56:31pm

Thanks for posting this, charles. I believe, nay, certain am I that the blog output of Erick Son of Erick is fertile ground for mockerdom.

5 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:57:11pm

I see the story is making the rounds. Is Redstate the only one with the PDF? It doesn't seem to be working. I'd like to read her writings. She sounds more and more like my kinda gal.

6 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:57:49pm

re: #4 prairiefire

Thanks for posting this, charles. I believe, nay, certain am I that the blog output of Erick Son of Erick is fertile ground for mockerdom.

Aye, his fields be full of... oh this is just too damn easy.

7 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:58:28pm
Isn’t CNN embarrassed at hiring him as a consultant, when he has the intelligence and analytical abilities of a blue soap dish?

But during the interview at CNN he quoted the green soap dish a lot I hear, so they might have a mistaken impression.

8 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:58:51pm

re: #5 marjoriemoon

I know! Upper West side Manhattan groundbreaking Jewish woman of the 70's. I can't wait for her congressional appearances.

9 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:58:52pm

Huffpo has this bit:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

The thesis, 130 pages in total, is split into six chapters and focuses on the development and inner conflict of the socialist party in New York City at the turn of the century. It concludes that the party fell apart due to a "decades-long process of internal decay."

10 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:59:02pm

Now don't go insulting blue soap dishes like that!

11 Summer Seale  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:59:09pm

Wow Charles used my Erick son of Erick line! =D

12 webevintage  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:59:34pm

and then of course there are the free tampons at Harvard....
/

13 brookly red  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:59:55pm

Being from NYC and living the failure of socialism I kinda have to respectfully decline from participating on this thread. I look forward to reading the following posts.

14 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 4:59:59pm

Princeton has already sent Redstate a letter asking them to take it down.

Archives governed by copyright law for private individual use only.

15 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:00:55pm

re: #13 brookly red

Being from NYC and living the failure of socialism I kinda have to respectfully decline from participating on this thread. I look forward to reading the following posts.

I would think that you would be interested in it then.

16 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:01:00pm
Isn’t anyone in the right wing blogosphere embarrassed at Erickson’s stupidity?

They collectively lost their sense of shame quite some time ago.

17 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:01:33pm

At least the bogus Obama thesis that surfaced last year (and Rush et al bought hook, line and sinker) was good for some giggles. This is just stupid people displaying a lack of reading comprehension skills.

18 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:01:37pm

re: #13 brookly red

Being from NYC and living the failure of socialism

"Kagan’s undergraduate thesis is titled, “To the Final Conflict: Socialism in New York City, 1900-1933,”

You were alive in 1933?

19 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:03:02pm

re: #13 brookly red

Being from NYC and living the failure of socialism I kinda have to respectfully decline from participating on this thread. I look forward to reading the following posts.

eh. at college, socialism is like long hair on guys. most people try it at least once, and ten years later they're looking back thinking "yikes"...

20 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:03:13pm

re: #13 brookly red

Being from NYC

Wait...YOU'RE from NYC? I have been a regular reader for a while now and I would have never guessed! What haven't you mentioned this before?
/

21 Lidane  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:03:22pm
Kagan’s undergraduate thesis is titled, “To the Final Conflict: Socialism in New York City, 1900-1933,” and it’s a historical study of the failure of socialism in New York in the early part of the 20th century. To Erickson and his dim followers, this is all the proof they need.

Pfft. The facts don't matter and never have. The only thing these idiots care about is that she wrote her thesis about socialism.

No wonder some folks on the right are convinced that Colbert is being serious. They pretty much live in his truthiness bubble 24/7/365.

22 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:03:23pm

And Rush's show today was "Kagan's life partner is Socialism"

I'm getting this info from Dave Weigel

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

23 brookly red  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:04:15pm

re: #15 marjoriemoon

I would think that you would be interested in it then.

I am interested. I am also biased to the point where I can not serve on this jury.

24 wrenchwench  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:04:57pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

And Rush's show today was "Kagan's life partner is Socialism"

I'm getting this info from Dave Weigel

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

Sure beats listening to Rush. But I think Weigel whines too much on his Twitter feed.

25 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:05:00pm

Kol Ha lizardim -

AND - Ms. Kagan wished for the victory of Socialism, back then, at her age. Back when I was her age at that time - SO DID I - I Grew Up and mellowed.
Even the Great Sir Winston opined that one who is NOT a Socialist in their 20's has No Heart. He of course also opined that one who maintained those beliefs in their 40's had "No Brains." The upcoming hearings will show us whether "Heart or Brains" rules this nominee to the SCOTUS.

-S-

26 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:05:29pm

re: #25 Dr. Shalit

Kol Ha lizardim -

AND - Ms. Kagan wished for the victory of Socialism, back then, at her age.

That is NOT true.

27 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:05:57pm

re: #23 brookly red

I am interested. I am also biased to the point where I can not serve on this jury.

I would like to plunk you down in Marshall, Mo and see how well you get along. I here they have pretty decent pizza at the Shop N Go.

28 laZardo  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:06:24pm
Isn’t anyone in the right wing blogosphere embarrassed at Erickson’s stupidity?

Erickson is demonstrating the current standard of conservative thought.

29 Lidane  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:06:54pm

re: #26 Charles

That is NOT true.

See? Truthiness at work. He's got a gut feeling that she wished for the victory of socialism, and that's enough, facts be damned.

30 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:06:57pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Princeton has already sent Redstate a letter asking them to take it down.

Archives governed by copyright law for private individual use only.

"Breaking, We Have Had Elana's Kagan's College Thesis"

31 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:07:59pm

Before I moved to the US, I had only a passing familiarity with US politics as a whole, and no real idea of what the everyday issues and arguments would be about.

I never would have imagined that, even now, it would still be Reds under the Bed.

32 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:08:20pm

re: #23 brookly red

I am interested. I am also biased to the point where I can not serve on this jury.

From that Huffpo article:

On socialist debates between 1900 and 1914:

The theoretical debate over the proper course of American socialism found its echo in a wide variety of smaller intra-party disputes. The tactics of men who stressed the desirability of gradual change necessarily differed sharply from those of socialists who favored sudden social transformation.

Who does that sound like today to you? I would like to read the whole thing, or try to, to see it all in context.

33 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:08:43pm

Hi, Iceweasel. Politically, we are 180 degrees opposed but I respect your passion.

34 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:11:17pm

My grandmother was a life-long socialist - and an extremely intelligent woman. Up until the late forties mid-fifties, much of the Chicago intelligentsia were socialists. It was no big thing - but it constituted a sort of palpable oasis of humanism and warmth in the Windy City.

35 Lidane  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:11:21pm

re: #31 Renaissance_Man

I never would have imagined that, even now, it would still be Reds under the Bed.

It blows my mind that commies and socialists are *still* a bogeyman for some on the right. The Berlin Wall came down in 1989, for chrissakes. The Cold War is long since over. We won. Give it a rest already.

36 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:13:24pm

re: #31 Renaissance_Man

Before I moved to the US, I had only a passing familiarity with US politics as a whole, and no real idea of what the everyday issues and arguments would be about.

I never would have imagined that, even now, it would still be Reds under the Bed.

McCarthyism never really went away.

re: #33 Nick Morgan

Hi, Iceweasel. Politically, we are 180 degrees opposed but I respect your passion.

Welcome. Lots of conservatives here and some are even my friends. :)

37 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:14:10pm

re: #31 Renaissance_Man

Before I moved to the US, I had only a passing familiarity with US politics as a whole, and no real idea of what the everyday issues and arguments would be about.

I never would have imagined that, even now, it would still be Reds under the Bed.

It's a surprise to most of us natives too. I don't think many people were predicting anti-communist paranoia would make a comeback.

38 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:14:54pm

re: #36 iceweasel

McCarthyism never really went away.

Neither did the John Birch Society

39 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:15:18pm

It's good to have these demonstrations of new kinds of logic.

First we had Lewis Black's expose of Beckian logic:

"Mother Theresa had a moustache. Hitler had a moustache. Mother Theresa is Hitler."

Now we have Ericksonian logic:

"Kagan wrote a thesis about the history of socialism in New York in the early 20th century. Kagan is a socialist."

40 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:16:03pm

re: #38 Reginald Perrin

I was just about to type those very words. We live in bizarro world.

41 wrenchwench  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:16:22pm

It's more accepted socially to be outraged against socialists than it is to be outraged at Jews and persons of mixed race.

Just sayin'.

42 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:16:46pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

It's a surprise to most of us natives too. I don't think many people were predicting anti-communist paranoia would make a comeback.

Hatred finds the lowest level resistance, the easiest spot to fill. This is a big bad "other" to the folks in the tea partiers' age group.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:17:23pm

re: #31 Renaissance_Man

Before I moved to the US, I had only a passing familiarity with US politics as a whole, and no real idea of what the everyday issues and arguments would be about.

I never would have imagined that, even now, it would still be Reds under the Bed.

Americans are kind of traditional in many ways.

44 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:17:34pm

re: #26 Charles

Charles -

Believe we will respectfully disagree on this one. What IS Certainly True is that Ms. Kagan is the choice of a lawfully Elected President of the US to be the Next Associate Justice of the SCOTUS. So far as I can see,the ONLY reason to reject her nomination IS Political. Political Differences should NEVER be the reason to reject an otherwise Qualified Nominee. Ms. Kagan IS such a Nominee, as WAS Ms. Sotomayor, as WAS Mrs. Ginsburg, just to use Female Justices as an example. I did NOT like "Borking" when the subject was Bork. I Like it NO MORE now. Ms. Kagan, absent obvious scandals, of which, so far, I have seen NONE, deserves to be the Next Associate Justice of the SCOTUS. That is all.

-S-

45 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:17:50pm

re: #40 Irenicum

re: #38 Reginald Perrin

I was just about to type those very words. We live in bizarro world.

There is nothing bizzaro about facts and reality.

GMTA

46 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:18:11pm

So if Kagan had written on the history of the NYC transit system, would that make her a choo choo train?

47 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:19:05pm

re: #46 Irenicum

So if Kagan had written on the history of the NYC transit system, would that make her a choo choo train?

Oh, that would be socialist too. The socialist NYC transit system.

48 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:19:19pm

re: #45 Reginald Perrin

I meant bizarro in that the Birchers are back in the mainstream.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:19:25pm

re: #25 Dr. Shalit

Kol Ha lizardim -

AND - Ms. Kagan wished for the victory of Socialism, back then, at her age. Back when I was her age at that time - SO DID I - I Grew Up and mellowed.
Even the Great Sir Winston opined that one who is NOT a Socialist in their 20's has No Heart. He of course also opined that one who maintained those beliefs in their 40's had "No Brains." The upcoming hearings will show us whether "Heart or Brains" rules this nominee to the SCOTUS.

-S-

How do you conclude that she wished for the victory of socialism, when she appears to have concluded it was dead by 1933?

50 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:20:14pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

omg Elena Kagan is a necro-Socialist!/

51 Nimed  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:20:14pm

re: #11 Summer

Wow Charles used my Erick son of Erick line! =D

Hey, that was my line! I have proof:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

52 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:20:21pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

How do you conclude that she wished for the victory of socialism, when she appears to have concluded it was dead by 1933?

Zombie Socialism!

53 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:20:32pm

re: #34 ryannon

My grandmother was a life-long socialist - and an extremely intelligent woman. Up until the late forties mid-fifties, much of the Chicago intelligentsia were socialists. It was no big thing - but it constituted a sort of palpable oasis of humanism and warmth in the Windy City.

Yes, those people were honestly concerned about all in their community, for the most part.

54 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:20:55pm

re: #38 Reginald Perrin

Neither did the John Birch Society

Anyone surprised in the last thread by clear antisemitism on the right side of the aisle hasn't been paying attention to the fact that the Birchers are trying hard to go mainstream....and haven't exactly been getting the cold shoulder.

55 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:21:17pm

re: #8 prairiefire

I know! Upper West side Manhattan groundbreaking Jewish woman of the 70's. I can't wait for her congressional appearances.

Then it's even worse than I thought. The Thalia theater was on the Upper West Side in the 70's, and do you know what they played there? Swedish Movies!!1!
She's a Swedish (Jewish) Socialist.

56 firstinla  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:21:20pm

I suspect many of the wing nuts on the right are of a 1900-1933 mentality.

57 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:21:29pm

re: #38 Reginald Perrin

Neither did the John Birch Society

Yep. Lots of ugly has been crawling back out from under its rocks, that's all.

re: #41 wrenchwench

It's more accepted socially to be outraged against socialists than it is to be outraged at Jews and persons of mixed race.

Just sayin'.

Some people would draw only one big circle on their Venn Diagram of those groups. I've seen Jack Cashill (author of the whole AYERS WROTE OBAMA's BOOKS! wingnut trope) and others assert that 'mixed race marriages were common for socialists, ergo Obama's mama was a socialist' and other similar dreck.

58 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:21:31pm

Perhaps it is time to acknowledge almost all college theses leave much to be desired and given the choice, most politicians of either party would wish they would just go away.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:21:43pm

re: #34 ryannon

My grandmother was a life-long socialist - and an extremely intelligent woman. Up until the late forties mid-fifties, much of the Chicago intelligentsia were socialists. It was no big thing - but it constituted a sort of palpable oasis of humanism and warmth in the Windy City.

My grandmother and her sisters were all passionate young radicals in New York in their day.

New York socialists and their friends of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century were pioneers in labor rights, women's rights, and many things that today greatly improve American society. I would take them in a heartbeat over these fake-ass 'patriots' flipping out that such people should even be discussed.

60 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:22:02pm

re: #46 Irenicum

So if Kagan had written on the history of the NYC transit system, would that make her a choo choo train?

No, It would make her Jared, the skinny guy.

61 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:22:12pm

When will Red State campaign against the failure of Social(ist) Security?

I looked up welfare (now called TANF) and it was $38 billion in 2008. Social Security/Medicare are 15x that now.

Someday someone must define "Socialism" because I say no 50 people outside academia would agree on a definition of it.

If you support Social Security are you a "socialist"?

62 political lunatic  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:22:42pm

In his defense, his demo still thinks that we are still fighting the Soviet Union in an arms race and we are still searching for commie sympathizers in Congress like McCarthy did, so I guess he has to do this to avoid losing his audience to 4AM Glenn Beck reruns.

63 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:23:08pm

re: #44 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Believe we will respectfully disagree on this one.

You can go ahead and disagree, but you are simply wrong. I've read most of the thesis. There is not ONE SINGLE LINE in there in which she "wishes for the victory of socialism." This is completely false.

64 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:23:14pm

Don't mess with Princeton!

65 Digital Display  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:23:59pm

re: #36 iceweasel

Welcome. Lots of conservatives here and some are even my friends. :)

Hi you!
/note to self....Friday night in NYC...
I am so jealous Bitch! *wink*
I'll text you and Jimmah this weekend..Be well

66 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:24:01pm

re: #51 Nimed

Hey, that was my line! I have proof:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I'm thinking of going with 'tater'...

67 JeffM70  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:24:43pm

Hey Charles, here's another update for you via instaputz. The Weekly Standard had an article about Kagan's thesis as well as a link to it a year ago. So a good job to Erik for getting hold of Kagan's thesis from the Princeton Library web site a year after the Weekly Standard did. That's some mighty fine sleuthing.

68 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:25:15pm

re: #53 prairiefire

Yes, those people were honestly concerned about all in their community, for the most part.

It went from the community (Nelson Algren, Studs Terkel) to way beyond. Mistakes and unfortunate alliances were probably made - as with all political movements - but their hearts were in the right place. They were genuinely committed to improving the lives of the people (yes) and not just looking out for themselves.

69 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:25:24pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

My grandmother and her sisters were all passionate young radicals in New York in their day.

New York socialists and their friends of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century were pioneers in labor rights, women's rights, and many things that today greatly improve American society. I would take them in a heartbeat over these fake-ass 'patriots' flipping out that such people should even be discussed.

That's because your grandmother and her friends were socialist/idealists- unlike today's garden variety socialists who could care less about the mistreatment of populations- think Che, Fidel et al..

70 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:25:57pm

On behalf of all blue soap dishes of the world I demand a retraction! Unlike Erick Erickson, we the blue soap dishes of the world, at least provide a beneficial service to society.

//

71 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:26:08pm

Meanwhile in Europe, the far right shows up at Parliament in their Fascist uniforms. Thank goodness that wouldn't last past first occurrence here...

[Link: www.dw-world.de...]

72 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:27:46pm

re: #26 Charles

That is NOT true.

Even if it were true! The things we write in our undergrad papers and theses have no bearing on what we are today.

I personally know dozens of undergrad "socialists" who are staunch upholders of capitalist property rights today.

Noam Chomsky also has his investments.

Hypocrisy? Maybe.

But if one were to exclude all the undergrad socialists along with the undergrad Ayn Rand fans, there would be no one left to run this house of car(d)s we call "America".

73 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:28:08pm

re: #71 Thanos

Meanwhile in Europe, the far right shows up at Parliament in their Fascist uniforms. Thank goodness that wouldn't last past first occurrence here...

[Link: www.dw-world.de...]

the far left and the far right on the Continent really are a special flavor of extreme, aren't they...

74 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:29:21pm

re: #69 researchok

That's because your grandmother and her friends were socialist/idealists- unlike today's garden variety socialists who could care less about the mistreatment of populations- think Che, Fidel et al..

There's been a total generational sea-change in socialism. It's become a statement rather than a commitment, a way of life.

75 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:29:58pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder

Even if it were true! The things we write in our undergrad papers and theses have no bearing on what we are today.

I personally know dozens of undergrad "socialists" who are staunch upholders of capitalist property rights today.

Noam Chomsky also has his investments.

Hypocrisy? Maybe.

But if one were to exclude all the undergrad socialists along with the undergrad Ayn Rand fans, there would be no one left to run this house of car(d)s we call "America".

Noam Chomsky, Closet Capitalist

76 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:30:20pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

My grandmother and her sisters were all passionate young radicals in New York in their day.

New York socialists and their friends of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century were pioneers in labor rights, women's rights, and many things that today greatly improve American society. I would take them in a heartbeat over these fake-ass 'patriots' flipping out that such people should even be discussed.

Wow. Preach it sister.

My great aunt, my grandpa's sister, was a communist. Well that was all my grandpa said. I took it to mean she must have been sympathic to Poland, but I never really asked more about her.

Anyway, she escaped to Argentina after WWI, probably between 1915 and 1920. When she heard that her mother was dying in Poland, she snuck back in to see her, but my great grandmother refused because of her communism.

We kept in touch with her children and their children for some time, but it's been many years now.

77 William of Orange  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:30:21pm

Great research....

Law and Order was much better at that.... and it stops! Lenny Briscoe must be spinning in his grave!!

78 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:30:51pm

And since when do SCOTUS justices rule on tax rates?

I mean - we have the 16th Amendment with no limits - Congress has the power to levy a 99% income tax within the existing Constitution.

79 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:31:21pm

I think it's a little more than ironic that the former dean of the ultra high rent university named Harvard Law School would be considered a socialist. Yes, the ultimate in capitalist Ivy League prestige where the total costs for an undergrad student comes to about $50,000 per year.

Right, socialist.

80 Nimed  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:31:31pm

Some conservative bloggers seem to be trying very, very hard to individually regress to some sort of pre tool use mentality. Erickson is engaged in a ruthless competition with Dan Riehl in this respect. Judging by his blog entries, he has almost lost the language faculty.

81 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:31:43pm

re: #36 iceweasel

I know you are tolerant, Ice. I think McCarthyism is dead. It probably died with McCarthy. There is always something to replace an "ism". At every point in American history there is a cause of some sort ... an "ism" that expresses itself in some way.McCarthyism is dead.

82 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:32:05pm

re: #71 Thanos

Meanwhile in Europe, the far right shows up at Parliament in their Fascist uniforms. Thank goodness that wouldn't last past first occurrence here...

[Link: www.dw-world.de...]

Fuck Hungary.

An Immorality

(Ezra Pound)

Sing we for love and idleness,
Naught else is worth the having.

Though I have been in many a land,
There is naught else in living.

And I would rather have my sweet,
Though rose-leaves die of grieving,

Than do high deeds in Hungary
To pass all men's believing.

83 Nimed  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:33:15pm

BBL

84 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:34:50pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

Oh sure! Quote a fascist while I am poking fun at one... :P

85 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:36:59pm

I always preferred Wystan to Ezra anyway:

Refugee Blues
ay this city has ten million souls,
Some are living in mansions, some are living in holes:
Yet there's no place for us, my dear, yet there's no place for us.

Once we had a country and we thought it fair,
Look in the atlas and you'll find it there:
We cannot go there now, my dear, we cannot go there now.

In the village churchyard there grows an old yew,
Every spring it blossoms anew:
Old passports can't do that, my dear, old passports can't do that.

The consul banged the table and said,
"If you've got no passport you're officially dead":
But we are still alive, my dear, but we are still alive.

Went to a committee; they offered me a chair;
Asked me politely to return next year:
But where shall we go to-day, my dear, but where shall we go to-day?

Came to a public meeting; the speaker got up and said;
"If we let them in, they will steal our daily bread":
He was talking of you and me, my dear, he was talking of you and me.

Thought I heard the thunder rumbling in the sky;
It was Hitler over Europe, saying, "They must die":
O we were in his mind, my dear, O we were in his mind.

Saw a poodle in a jacket fastened with a pin,
Saw a door opened and a cat let in:
But they weren't German Jews, my dear, but they weren't German Jews.

Went down the harbour and stood upon the quay,
Saw the fish swimming as if they were free:
Only ten feet away, my dear, only ten feet away.

Walked through a wood, saw the birds in the trees;
They had no politicians and sang at their ease:
They weren't the human race, my dear, they weren't the human race.

Dreamed I saw a building with a thousand floors,
A thousand windows and a thousand doors:
Not one of them was ours, my dear, not one of them was ours.

Stood on a great plain in the falling snow;
Ten thousand soldiers marched to and fro:
Looking for you and me, my dear, looking for you and me.

86 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:37:57pm

re: #81 Nick Morgan

I know you are tolerant, Ice. I think McCarthyism is dead. It probably died with McCarthy. There is always something to replace an "ism". At every point in American history there is a cause of some sort ... an "ism" that expresses itself in some way.McCarthyism is dead.

It's not too late to get the bumper sticker:

Image: mccarthy_was_right_bumper_sticker-p128432317104798134trl0_400.jpg

87 ~Fianna  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:37:58pm

re: #25 Dr. Shalit

Kol Ha lizardim -

AND - Ms. Kagan wished for the victory of Socialism, back then, at her age. Back when I was her age at that time - SO DID I - I Grew Up and mellowed.
Even the Great Sir Winston opined that one who is NOT a Socialist in their 20's has No Heart. He of course also opined that one who maintained those beliefs in their 40's had "No Brains." The upcoming hearings will show us whether "Heart or Brains" rules this nominee to the SCOTUS.

-S-

I updinged you on this because even if you're first line is a bit hyperbolic, I completely agree with the rest of them.

I didn't care if Clinton smoked pot when he was an undergrad.
I didn't care if GWB used cocaine.
I don't care that Obama used pot and cocaine.

I'd care a lot if they were still getting high. But they're not. Now they're all grownups, and so is Kagan.

If we were to be judged perpetually by what we thought and did when we were 22, I don't think anyone would be qualified for anything.

88 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:37:58pm

Given the Pat Buchanan theme of the previous post, I feel justified in subjecting all you Lizards to my last year's limerick on said asshole once again.

A Catholic fascist, Buchanan,
Was known for his love of the cannon.
But only when turned
On people he spurned.
Such as Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and O'Bannon.

Copyright © 2009 Cato the Elder

Working on a new improved one as we speak.

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:38:14pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

"Than do high deeds in Hungary
To pass all men's believing."

/ just sayin'

90 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:38:17pm

re: #65 HoosierHoops

Hi you!
/note to self...Friday night in NYC...
I am so jealous Bitch! *wink*
I'll text you and Jimmah this weekend..Be well

yay! Talk to you soon, Hoops. Take care-- Jimmah says hi too. :)

91 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:38:40pm

re: #84 Thanos

Oh sure! Quote a fascist while I am poking fun at one... :P

A poet is a poet.

92 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:38:45pm

As if this weren't enough grist for the outrage mill, the story about Heinz ketchup going to a lower salt recipe is also raising blood pressure around the right wing blogosphere....uh, so to speak.

93 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:41:11pm

re: #87 ~Fianna

I updinged you on this because even if you're first line is a bit hyperbolic, I completely agree with the rest of them.

I didn't care if Clinton smoked pot when he was an undergrad.
I didn't care if GWB used cocaine.
I don't care that Obama used pot and cocaine.

I'd care a lot if they were still getting high. But they're not. Now they're all grownups, and so is Kagan.

If we were to be judged perpetually by what we thought and did when we were 22, I don't think anyone would be qualified for anything.

Oh Stop Making Sense

Youtube Video
94 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:41:42pm

re: #92 bratwurst

As if this weren't enough grist for the outrage mill, the story about Heinz ketchup going to a lower salt recipe is also raising blood pressure around the right wing blogosphere...uh, so to speak.

You mean like this?

From the weirdos at Hot Air now owned by Salem Communications comes:

Say It Ain’t So: Heinz Ketchup the Latest Casualty of Liberal Political Doctrine
posted at 8:02 pm on May 14, 2010 by Howard Portnoy

That's an actual quote.

God, these people are nuts.

95 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:43:04pm

re: #92 bratwurst

As if this weren't enough grist for the outrage mill, the story about Heinz ketchup going to a lower salt recipe is also raising blood pressure around the right wing blogosphere...uh, so to speak.

Yeah, I heard this on either Hannity or Laura Ingraham this afternoon while driving through a rural part of the state, desperately trying to find another ESPN radio station.

These people really need to chill the f* out and get laid.

96 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:43:16pm

re: #94 Gus 802

You mean like this?

From the weirdos at Hot Air now owned by Salem Communications comes:

Say It Ain’t So: Heinz Ketchup the Latest Casualty of Liberal Political Doctrine
posted at 8:02 pm on May 14, 2010 by Howard Portnoy

That's an actual quote.

God, these people are nuts.

Exactly what I was referring to. I am not exactly impressed that when I searched Google News for the article, a link to that very post showed up.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:43:39pm

re: #81 Nick Morgan

I know you are tolerant, Ice. I think McCarthyism is dead. It probably died with McCarthy. There is always something to replace an "ism". At every point in American history there is a cause of some sort ... an "ism" that expresses itself in some way.McCarthyism is dead.

I'm going to say it. Charles, is this YoungLibertarian again? Because I kind of like him, but I've been fooled that way before...

98 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:44:19pm

re: #96 bratwurst

Exactly what I was referring to. I am not exactly impressed that when I searched Google News for the article, a link to that very post showed up.

Yeah. Hot Air is actually considered news by Google.

[Cough, cough, cough, cough]

99 engineer cat  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:44:20pm

Palin: Obama Would Ban Guns if he Could

Former Republican Vice Presidential Nominee Tells N.R.A. That Democrats Would Ban Guns and Ammo if They Had the Chance

Breaking: Palin Would Read A Book If She Could

details at eleven

100 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:44:46pm

re: #92 bratwurst

As if this weren't enough grist for the outrage mill, the story about Heinz ketchup going to a lower salt recipe is also raising blood pressure around the right wing blogosphere...uh, so to speak.

Jeez.

If my mom makes dinner for me and it's not salty enough, I salt it.

What the hell is wrong with these people? They want their salt content pre-fabbed for them by Heinz?

Two things come to mind:

First, "below the salt" (look it up).

Second, the salt taxes that among other things brought about the French Revolution.

One's head spins.

[admittedly that might be the peyote talking]

101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:44:55pm

re: #91 Cato the Elder

Thank you for the upding on #89.

My daughter and her family got to spend a few weeks in Budapest a few years ago. If I were ever blessed with the opportunity, I'd lay flowers on the sidewalk outside the old Kilian Barracks.

/and I'm not Hungarian

102 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:45:21pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm going to say it. Charles, is this YoungLibertarian again? Because I kind of like him, but I've been fooled that way before...

Yeah. Or it's someone who's been here before.

103 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:45:39pm

re: #92 bratwurst

As if this weren't enough grist for the outrage mill, the story about Heinz ketchup going to a lower salt recipe is also raising blood pressure around the right wing blogosphere...uh, so to speak.

Did Heinz voluntarily reduce salt in their ketchup - of were they "forced by the Obama food Nazis"?

I suspect they volunteered but I await your answer.

104 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:46:09pm

re: #94 Gus 802

You mean like this?

From the weirdos at Hot Air now owned by Salem Communications comes:

Say It Ain’t So: Heinz Ketchup the Latest Casualty of Liberal Political Doctrine
posted at 8:02 pm on May 14, 2010 by Howard Portnoy

That's an actual quote.

God, these people are nuts.


No, it's just Portnoy's Complaint.

105 ~Fianna  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:46:22pm

re: #93 marjoriemoon

Oh Stop Making Sense


[Video]

I

106 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:46:32pm

re: #94 Gus 802

You mean like this?

From the weirdos at Hot Air now owned by Salem Communications comes:

Say It Ain’t So: Heinz Ketchup the Latest Casualty of Liberal Political Doctrine
posted at 8:02 pm on May 14, 2010 by Howard Portnoy

That's an actual quote.

God, these people are nuts.

idiots. accomplishing things like this without having to resort to regulation is the very soul of progress a la conservatism...

sometimes i feel like a puppet of Kim Jong Il...

i'm so ronery...

107 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:47:19pm

re: #94 Gus 802


Say It Ain’t So: Heinz Ketchup the Latest Casualty of Liberal Political Doctrine
posted at 8:02 pm on May 14, 2010 by Howard Portnoy

Those tricksy libruls, if they can't take our guns they'll settle for our salt...

108 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:47:20pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm going to say it. Charles, is this YoungLibertarian again? Because I kind of like him, but I've been fooled that way before...

I have it on good authority that 205 State Department personnel are Young Libertarian.

109 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:47:22pm

re: #91 Cato the Elder

A poet is a poet.

Well sure, but poets are never just one thing, even those truest to their muse. Ezra Pound was a fascist dirtbag as well as a passably good poet.

110 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:47:57pm

re: #100 Cato the Elder


First, "below the salt" (look it up).

Great Steeleye Span album too.

111 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:47:59pm

re: #99 engineer dog

Palin: Obama Would Ban Guns if he Could

Former Republican Vice Presidential Nominee Tells N.R.A. That Democrats Would Ban Guns and Ammo if They Had the Chance

Breaking: Palin Would Read A Book If She Could

details at eleven

lol!

We've been down this road before. Clinton was supposed to take yer guns too.

112 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:48:04pm

re: #102 iceweasel

Yeah. Or it's someone who's been here before.

heh. you know you heard "conservative" and "but i like you" and you did a wait, whut??

;)

113 Old Dragon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:48:33pm

Certainly Kagan's thesis is better referenced and supported than nearly everything that Erick Erickson and the dauntlessly ignorant "patriot blogs"
have ever read, let alone ANYTHING that they themselves have recently created.

Pat Buchanan should wake up and smell his own coffee; for the bulk of its existence, the Supreme Court was made up of male scions from the dominant Protestant churches. Yet NOW he has a religious numbers barometer to follow ? Spooked by educated Jews apparently.

My Nanna from Cork City said "Never Trust the Cops or the Clergy"
Now that's my kinda Irish, Pat boy.

Old Irish Dragon

114 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:48:37pm

Better as a fascist, for sure.

115 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:48:48pm

re: #104 ryannon

No, it's just Portnoy's Complaint.

OK, let me look...

124 comments at Free Republic. Here's one:

THIS SUCKS!!! I don’t eat a ton of ketchup, but when I do it HAS to be Heinz. This is one of those rare products (IMO) for which there is no true substitute.

SCREW the nanny state bullsh!t. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYHOW.

PS...good thing there’s no salt in beer!!!!

13 posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 5:15:10 AM by Mi...

116 ~Fianna  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:48:48pm

re: #103 Linden Arden

Did Heinz voluntarily reduce salt in their ketchup - of were they "forced by the Obama food Nazis"?

I suspect they volunteered but I await your answer.

Same reason that Pepsi put out a no HFCS version of their soda. Consumers are worried about things like salt and fat and whatever. It's a marketing tool. No food Nazis needed, just plain old fashioned capitalist market principles.

117 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:49:02pm

As I Understand it, Pat Buchanan is a "Pre-Vatican II" Catholic. As 6 of the 9 Justices of the Supreme Court of the US, assuming that Ms. Kagan IS Confirmed, will be Catholic, with "NO PRODS" - What the HELL is HIS PROBLEM?? -S-

118 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:49:18pm

re: #92 bratwurst

As if this weren't enough grist for the outrage mill, the story about Heinz ketchup going to a lower salt recipe is also raising blood pressure around the right wing blogosphere...uh, so to speak.

That's going to go over like New Coke, I betcha.

119 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:49:46pm

National Review...

Heinz Ketchup Is Dead To Me Now

120 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:49:47pm

re: #116 ~Fianna

Same reason that Pepsi put out a no HFCS version of their soda. Consumers are worried about things like salt and fat and whatever. It's a marketing tool. No food Nazis needed, just plain old fashioned capitalist market principles.

Thank you!!

121 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:50:16pm

re: #114 researchok

Ezra Pound, I meant to say.

122 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:50:17pm

re: #112 Aceofwhat?

heh. you know you heard "conservative" and "but i like you" and you did a wait, whut??

;)

heh, Upding.

No, just seen this particular game before. Someone who's only been here less than a week probably isn't in a place to know whether I am tolerant or not-- especially given that they've never had a conversation with me nor have I even been around much.

Also, some of the socks like to focus on certain posters here. What can I say? I'm popular./

123 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:50:38pm

re: #103 Linden Arden

Did Heinz voluntarily reduce salt in their ketchup - of were they "forced by the Obama food Nazis"?

I suspect they volunteered but I await your answer.

uh.... the FDA?

124 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:51:06pm

re: #115 Gus 802

I wasn't minimizing, just funning:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

125 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:51:34pm

re: #124 ryannon

I wasn't minimizing, just funning:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Oh. That went over my head. Woops.

126 dadaist  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:51:47pm

That Robert Service better hope that nobody ever appoints him to anything. I hear that guy wrote a whole book about Lenin.

127 wrenchwench  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:52:06pm

re: #116 ~Fianna

Same reason that Pepsi put out a no HFCS version of their soda. Consumers are worried about things like salt and fat and whatever. It's a marketing tool. No food Nazis needed, just plain old fashioned capitalist market principles.

Hunt's put out a no HFCS version of their ketchup, but it's also no salt, otherwise it would be perfect. It's still better than most.

128 engineer cat  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:52:17pm

The woman declares that socialists must stick together instead of fracture in order to advance a socialist agenda, which Kagan advocates

dear mr and mrs erickson

erick is a bright boy and i'm sure he will be able to write at an acceptable level by the time he gets to college

129 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:52:20pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Huh? I'm not younglibertarian. I don't know who that is. I'm just me.

130 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:52:48pm

From the Hannity Forums...

Laura Ingraham is talking this morning about how Heinz will be changing their ketchup - making it all low sodium. I can see doing some for people watching their sodium, but like she said, why change it all. Look what happened when they changed Coke! But I guess I would expect it. Heinz is owned by John Kerry's wife! Me - I don't buy Heinz anyway. I buy Hunts or buy Tabasco's Hot Ketchup.

This is just the start. Now the food police will be telling us what we can and can't buy in the grocery store! Or start banning products not good for us. No, you have had your quota of beef today. Belly up to that dry lettace........

131 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:52:59pm

re: #119 Gus 802

Gus 802 -

HIT the Fries with Salt. Add "Ketchup" - NOT - Catsup - and Laugh Like a Loon as YOU enjoy YOUR Fried Potatoes. Something about that "American Freedom" appeals to ME. -S-

132 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:53:06pm

re: #115 Gus 802

I think the last line of that explains the rest of it lol

133 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:53:20pm

re: #122 iceweasel

heh, Upding.

No, just seen this particular game before. Someone who's only been here less than a week probably isn't in a place to know whether I am tolerant or not-- especially given that they've never had a conversation with me nor have I even been around much.

Also, some of the socks like to focus on certain posters here. What can I say? I'm popular./

on to a more interesting topic...salt...would it make sense to my dude Jimmah that i support Heinz here? we've talked about this before...i want to make sure there's a clear distinction between what i think and what these prion-ridden folks at HotAir think, or wherever they're whining about this.

134 darthstar  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:53:25pm

I love Erick Erection...He is the poster child of wingnuttia that makes Trig look like a rocket scientist. I hope CNN loves their new play-toy. It's only too bad he didn't post it on CNN.com without permission. That would have been rich.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:53:27pm

re: #126 dadaist

That Robert Service better hope that nobody ever appoints him to anything. I hear that guy wrote a whole book about Lenin.

OMG!!! Robert Service is Lenin!!!

136 ~Fianna  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:53:33pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Hunt's put out a no HFCS version of their ketchup, but it's also no salt, otherwise it would be perfect. It's still better than most.

I'm working on trying to remove as much HFCS from our diets as possible. It's amazingly hard, though. It's in EVERYTHING even things that don't sound like they need high fructose.

137 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:53:52pm

re: #123 marjoriemoon

uh... the FDA?

Is the FDA establishing salt (or sodium) limits?

In all food - of just ketchup?

138 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:54:09pm

re: #92 bratwurst

As if this weren't enough grist for the outrage mill, the story about Heinz ketchup going to a lower salt recipe is also raising blood pressure around the right wing blogosphere...uh, so to speak.

Let them eat Salsa.

139 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:54:56pm

re: #102 iceweasel

What are you saying? Because I actually have followed this site for several years?

140 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:54:59pm

Heinz CEO:

William R. Johnson

Born: 1949

Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Business
Party Affiliation: Republican

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: CEO of Heinz

Member of the Board of Heinz (as Chairman, 2000-)
America's Foundation
Bush-Cheney '04
Friends of George Allen
George W. Bush for President
Grocery Manufacturers of America Board of Directors
National Republican Congressional Committee
National Republican Senatorial Committee
Pete Coors for Senate
Santorum 2000
Santorum 2006
Volunteer PAC

141 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:55:10pm

re: #134 darthstar

I love Erick Erection...He is the poster child of wingnuttia that makes Trig look like a rocket scientist. I hope CNN loves their new play-toy. It's only too bad he didn't post it on CNN.com without permission. That would have been rich.

why would you bring up someone's kid out of nowhere? you're a better dude than that...

142 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:55:11pm

So dumb.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:55:19pm

Ketchup Fans Mourn Heinz Salt Squeeze

I don't care how bad the new formula is. Hunts tastes terrible.

144 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:55:22pm

re: #130 Gus 802

From the Hannity Forums...

I'd be pretty comfortable placing a bet on the guy who wrote that being an overweight white guy on blood pressure medication.

145 darthstar  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:55:24pm

The first comment is from some fucktard named "Cato the Younger"...no relation to our own Cato, I hope?

146 ~Fianna  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:55:28pm

re: #138 ryannon

Let them eat Salsa.

Salsa on baked potatoes is just an amazing combo.

147 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:55:32pm

We're talking about ketchup. Can a conversation about mayonnaise be far behind?

148 ~Fianna  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:56:54pm

re: #147 researchok

We're talking about ketchup. Can a conversation about mayonnaise be far behind?

Miracle Whip sucks.

149 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:57:08pm

re: #147 researchok

We're talking about ketchup. Can a conversation about mayonnaise be far behind?

heh. i was just going to say...you think high-sodium ketchup is bad...wait until i confess that i picked up mayo as a condiment for french fries in Belgium!

needless to say, i don't eat french fries very often...otherwise i'd be dead...

150 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:57:14pm

re: #129 Nick Morgan

Huh? I'm not younglibertarian. I don't know who that is. I'm just me.

Typical YL response to the first "J'accuse" post...that is for sure.

151 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:57:18pm

re: #147 researchok

We're talking about ketchup. Can a conversation about mayonnaise be far behind?

Cinco de Mayo?

152 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:57:30pm

re: #148 ~Fianna

Miracle Whip sucks.

No truer words have ever been spoken.

And garlic aioli rocks.

153 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:57:32pm

re: #119 Gus 802

National Review...

Heinz Ketchup Is Dead To Me Now

The Hot Air "Green room" is bleating about that too. It's beyond the wingnut imagination to think that they can buy the ketchup and add all the salt they want to it.

154 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:57:40pm

Evening lizards!

155 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:57:48pm

re: #147 researchok

We're talking about ketchup. Can a conversation about mayonnaise be far behind?

The French eat it on Freedom Fries.

156 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:57:49pm

re: #146 ~Fianna

Salsa on baked potatoes is just an amazing combo.

Salsa and cheese nachos!

157 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:26pm

re: #131 Dr. Shalit

Gus 802 -

HIT the Fries with Salt. Add "Ketchup" - NOT - Catsup - and Laugh Like a Loon as YOU enjoy YOUR Fried Potatoes. Something about that "American Freedom" appeals to ME. -S-

Something about the current generation being destined to be the first in US history not to have a longer life expectancy than their parents doesn't appeal to ME.

158 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:26pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Traitor!

159 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:27pm

re: #140 Gus 802

And all I heard in 2004 about Heinz was about Theresa Kerry.

160 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:31pm

re: #147 researchok


We're talking about ketchup. Can a conversation about mayonnaise be far behind?

Floral and Ludwig aren't here, so we can't talk about D/s.

161 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:40pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

The Hot Air "Green room" is bleating about that too. It's beyond the wingnut imagination to think that they can buy the ketchup and add all the salt they want to it.

Exactly. You can just open the bottle and pour in all the salt you would like.

162 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:57pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

The French eat it on Freedom Fries.

The Dutch. The French, not so much.

163 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:57pm

re: #133 Aceofwhat?

Prion ridden, heh. Good one.

164 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:57pm

re: #130 Gus 802

From the Hannity Forums...
From the Hannity Forums...

This is just the start. Now the food police will be telling us what we can and can't buy in the grocery store! Or start banning products not good for us. No, you have had your quota of beef today. Belly up to that dry lettace..

Reminder: actual outrages of just this week include:
Oklahoma Is At It Again: State Legislature Passes Bill Stripping Abortion Coverage From Health Insurance
and
Oklahoma’s Assault On Women’s Rights: Legislature Reapproves Bill Posting Abortion Details Online
and
Abortion War Heats Up In The States: Tennessee Becomes Second State To Strip Abortion From Exchanges
and
Kansas Lawmaker Proposes Levying Sales Tax On Abortions

But Salt? OH MY GOD! Gubbmint telling us what we can and can't do with our bodies? OUTRAGE!11!

165 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:58:58pm

ut oh...

it's another of Hoopster's gimmicks....

166 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:59:02pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Traitor!

RINO!

167 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:59:35pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

The French eat it on Freedom Fries.

The Belgians eat it because they just don't care.

Walloons.

168 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 5:59:35pm

re: #165 Thanos

ut oh...

it's another of Hoopster's gimmicks....


Heh.

169 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:00:21pm

re: #167 researchok

The Belgians eat it because they just don't care.

Walloons.

Mayo on fries (chips) is fantastic!

170 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:00:25pm

re: #109 Thanos

Well sure, but poets are never just one thing, even those truest to their muse. Ezra Pound was a fascist dirtbag as well as a passably good poet.

Umm..."passably good"?

He was midwife to James Joyce, T.S. Eliot, Ford Maddox Ford, and a dozen others.

He was the author of such imperishable verses as I have quoted.

Such as this:

Villonaud for this Yule

Towards the Noel that morte saison

(Christ make the shepherds' homage dear!)
Then when the grey wolves everychone
Drink of the winds their chill small-beer
And lap o' the snows food's gueredon
Then makyth my heart his yule-tide cheer
(Skoal! with the dregs if the clear be gone!)
Wineing the ghosts of yester-year.

Ask ye what ghost I dream upon?
(What of the magians' scented gear?)
The ghosts of dead loves everyone
That make the stark winds reek with fear
Lest love return with the foison sun
And slay the memories that me cheer
(Such as I drink to mine fashion)
Wineing the ghosts of yester-year.

Where are the joys my heart had won?
(Saturn and Mars to Zeus drawn near!)
Where are athe lips mine lay upon,
Aye! where are the glances feat and clear
That bade my heart his valor don?

I skoal to the eyes as grey-blown meer
(Who knows whose was that paragon?)
Wineing the ghosts of yester-year.

Prince: ask me not what I have done
Nor what God hath that can me cheer
But ye ask first where the winds are gone
Wineing the ghosts of yester-year.

Do not speak to me of poets gone mad!

Some go fascist, some go communist, and some go drunk, like F. Scott, and write for Hollywood.

Look thou not to the poets for policy, nor to the philosophers for rulings.

171 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:00:49pm

re: #164 iceweasel

Reminder: actual outrages of just this week include:
Oklahoma Is At It Again: State Legislature Passes Bill Stripping Abortion Coverage From Health Insurance
and
Oklahoma’s Assault On Women’s Rights: Legislature Reapproves Bill Posting Abortion Details Online
and
Abortion War Heats Up In The States: Tennessee Becomes Second State To Strip Abortion From Exchanges
and
Kansas Lawmaker Proposes Levying Sales Tax On Abortions

But Salt? OH MY GOD! Gubbmint telling us what we can and can't do with our bodies? OUTRAGE!11!

Forget about life, liberty, and the actual Constitution. There's more important things to be outraged about. Like Heinz ketchup and Kagan's thesis.

/

172 darthstar  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:01:27pm

re: #141 Aceofwhat?

You're right...that was out of line...sorry, Trig.

173 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:01:30pm

re: #128 engineer dog

The woman declares that socialists must stick together instead of fracture in order to advance a socialist agenda, which Kagan advocates

dear mr and mrs erickson

erick is a bright boy and i'm sure he will be able to write at an acceptable level by the time he gets to college

Not without help.

174 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:01:44pm

re: #165 Thanos

ut oh...

it's another of Hoopster's gimmicks....

LoL!

Love the caption: "Yep, look out, the Hoopster’s comin’. Better watch out! He’ll like “hoop” you or something."

175 sagehen  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:01:50pm

re: #35 Lidane

It blows my mind that commies and socialists are *still* a bogeyman for some on the right. The Berlin Wall came down in 1989, for chrissakes. The Cold War is long since over. We won. Give it a rest already.


It's not over!! It's halftime!!

//

176 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:02:26pm

re: #137 Linden Arden

Is the FDA establishing salt (or sodium) limits?

In all food - of just ketchup?

I do not believe there are any regulations on salt in food since Hunts, their rival company is not changing.

177 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:02:29pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Mayo on fries (chips) is fantastic!

Lightly presoaked with malt vinegar. Really.

178 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:02:33pm

re: #164 iceweasel

I feel as if I'm watching a train wreck but in slow motion. Well 2 maybe. Gulf oil spill and the outrage dissonances.

179 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:02:49pm

re: #134 darthstar

Ah, please don't mention Trig. He's just a baby. How about Todd Palin?

180 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:02:50pm

The best fries I ever had was in some "Irish" pub in London. They were listed as "Curry Chips" on the menu. They were thick cut steak fries with the skins still on and serve with a curry flavored warm gravy. Fantastic!

181 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:02:52pm

re: #122 iceweasel

heh, Upding.

No, just seen this particular game before. Someone who's only been here less than a week probably isn't in a place to know whether I am tolerant or not-- especially given that they've never had a conversation with me nor have I even been around much.

Also, some of the socks like to focus on certain posters here. What can I say? I'm popular./

You're popular.

But Summer thinks I'm hot!

182 Interesting Times  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:03:12pm

re: #149 Aceofwhat?

needless to say, i don't eat french fries very often...otherwise i'd be dead...

Then I take it this staple of French-Canadian cuisine is out of the question? :)

183 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:03:21pm

re: #112 Aceofwhat?

heh. you know you heard "conservative" and "but i like you" and you did a wait, whut??

;)

I know your a tolerant conservaive and all, but I got to say, man, your feet smell.

184 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:03:37pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

I respect Ezra Pound because he mentored "the better craftsman" - TS Eliot.

And 'Usura' - a poetic diatribe on usury.

But he did descend into madness.

185 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:03:50pm

re: #119 Gus 802

National Review...

Heinz Ketchup Is Dead To Me Now

I thought it was dead to them way back when they realized John Kerry's wife was a part of it. They didn't boycott then?

186 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:03:57pm

re: #182 publicityStunted

Then I take it this staple of French-Canadian cuisine is out of the question? :)

I've had that!

Poutine.

187 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:08pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

Do not speak to me of poets gone mad!

Some go fascist, some go communist, and some go drunk, like F. Scott, and write for Hollywood.

Look thou not to the poets for policy, nor to the philosophers for rulings.

The depth of passion and the persuasion of the voice of the poet are all in the ear of the listener - those you listed are to me all "passably good," but none are truly great.

188 sagehen  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:14pm

re: #51 Nimed

Hey, that was my line! I have proof:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It's John Stewart's line.

189 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:23pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

You're popular.

But Summer thinks I'm hot!

I think that most likely Summer is hot.

190 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:26pm

re: #119 Gus 802

National Review...

Heinz Ketchup Is Dead To Me Now

The insistence of the Conservative cult in purging anything that they can vaguely attach a liberal heresy to would be comical if it weren't so sad. I wonder if they get equally outraged when a company, say, does something environmental. Or modifies a drug to counteract microbial evolution. Or, now that Glenn Beck has had his way, uses the words 'empathy' or 'social justice' in any context.

I suppose whether they do depends on whether their media informs them that they should be outraged.

191 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:26pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

I thought it was dead to them way back when they realized John Kerry's wife was a part of it. They didn't boycott then?

RINOs!

192 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:50pm

re: #134 darthstar

I love Erick Erection...He is the poster child of wingnuttia that makes Trig look like a rocket scientist. I hope CNN loves their new play-toy. It's only too bad he didn't post it on CNN.com without permission. That would have been rich.

Ouch, your singing tenor in hell.

193 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:51pm

re: #150 bratwurst

Fill me in on what is going on, please.

194 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:04:54pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

I thought it was dead to them way back when they realized John Kerry's wife was a part of it. They didn't boycott then?

Yes...

Boycott Heinz from the fruit loops at Freerepublic

195 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:05:14pm

re: #176 marjoriemoon

I do not believe there are any regulations on salt in food since Hunts, their rival company is not changing.

An article posted above said the Gov is "considers" it. (SFZ 143).

196 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:05:25pm

re: #164 iceweasel

But Salt? OH MY GOD! Gubbmint telling us what we can and can't do with our bodies? OUTRAGE!11!

Don't you see?

First they came for my soup, and I said nothing.
Then they came for my ketchup, and I raged about it online.
Then they came for my potato chips, and I joined a militia to overthrow the government.

197 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:06:44pm

Sigh.

198 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:07:04pm

Another one...

Boycott Heinz Ketchup and Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream! Petition

199 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:07:09pm

Fuck you Americans and your condiments.

So, I'm 100 pages into Republican Gomorrah and am afraid to go to sleep tonight.

200 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:07:19pm

undergraduate thesis? I know 18 is legally an adult and that political views rarely change in one's life, but even if it was mildly sympathetic to the goal of socialism, that doesn't mean the lady is a socialist.

Now I'm curious about the paper. Other than the interest this brouhaha has drug up, I wonder if her college could be convinced to release the paper in the interest of deflating this story.

201 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:08:00pm

re: #196 Girth

Don't you see?

First they came for my soup, and I said nothing.
Then they came for my ketchup, and I raged about it online.
Then they came for my potato chips, and I joined a militia to overthrow the government.

Heh. Favourited. :)
Jimmah is laughing.

202 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:08:03pm

re: #182 publicityStunted

Then I take it this staple of French-Canadian cuisine is out of the question? :)

heh...not out of the question...just infrequent...

203 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:08:14pm

re: #196 Girth

Don't you see?

First they came for my soup, and I said nothing.
Then they came for my ketchup, and I raged about it online.
Then they came for my potato chips, and I joined a militia to overthrow the government.

That's very good.

It is, sadly, also the truth in their world. Can't you see the tyranny? And the socialism? And - the tyranny? The arrogance of this illegitimate President in tyrannically ruling with tyranny?

204 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:08:16pm

re: #190 Renaissance_Man

The insistence of the Conservative cult in purging anything that they can vaguely attach a liberal heresy to would be comical if it weren't so sad. I wonder if they get equally outraged when a company, say, does something environmental. Or modifies a drug to counteract microbial evolution. Or, now that Glenn Beck has had his way, uses the words 'empathy' or 'social justice' in any context.

I suppose whether they do depends on whether their media informs them that they should be outraged.

Yeah, that's part of it. I was just reading the Hot Air article about the boycotts on Arizona over the immigration law. They kept blaming liberals, "Liberals do this" and "liberals want this" etc. What was completely missing from the article was Hispanics and other brown skinned folks, regardless of political leaning, might not want to visit Arizona for fear of being deported or hassled even if they're legal citizens.

205 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:08:37pm

re: #189 prairiefire

I think that most likely Summer is hot.

shhh...leave Cato his dreams...

206 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:09:04pm

re: #194 Gus 802

Yes...

Boycott Heinz from the fruit loops at Freerepublic

Finally, something at Freerepublic I can get behind. Ketchup is the boiled blood of unicorns.

207 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:09:44pm

re: #199 Jeff In Ohio

Fuck you Americans and your condiments.

So, I'm 100 pages into Republican Gomorrah and am afraid to go to sleep tonight.

I read it cover to cover, and while he goes very hyperbolic on his analysis (actually, "armchair psychoanalysis") the facts in the book are indeed true, I've verified the great bulk of them myself. The footnotes are a wealth of information and links to wingnut dirt.

208 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:10:10pm

re: #190 Renaissance_Man

The insistence of the Conservative cult in purging anything that they can vaguely attach a liberal heresy to would be comical if it weren't so sad. I wonder if they get equally outraged when a company, say, does something environmental. Or modifies a drug to counteract microbial evolution. Or, now that Glenn Beck has had his way, uses the words 'empathy' or 'social justice' in any context.

I suppose whether they do depends on whether their media informs them that they should be outraged.

Heh... This administration wants to commit a terrible evil and limit the amount of salt in ordinary food. A shonda! A pox upon them! We're on the way to Nazism!

Not too long ago, I remember a president who considered ketchup a vegetable.

209 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:10:29pm

This is kind of old news too. The Heinz ketchup thing that is.

February 04, 2010 09:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Heinz® Ketchup ‘Uncaps’ New Decade with Revolutionary Product and Packaging Innovations

America’s Favorite Ketchup® Introduces Its First-Ever, Dual-Function Ketchup Packet, Reduces Sodium by 15 Percent and Extends Lifestyle Line with Sugar-Based Products

PITTSBURGH--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Whether you’re a dipper, a squeezer, or a health-minded ketchup lover, Heinz is giving everyone more ways to enjoy America’s Favorite Ketchup. Today, Heinz announced three ketchup innovations in response to consumer demand: Heinz Dip & Squeeze™, with a breakthrough dual-function ketchup package for the foodservice industry that promises to make eating on-the-go more fun and convenient; a reduction in sodium across its base ketchup line to support consumers’ desire for lower-sodium products; and the launch of Simply Heinz™ Tomato Ketchup, made with sugar, for the retail market.
...
Now with Lower Sodium

To help in the effort to reduce consumers’ sodium intake, Heinz will reduce sodium by 15 percent in its core line of ketchup beginning this summer.

“As the largest producer of ketchup in the U.S., Heinz is dedicated to meeting the growing consumer demand for better-for-you products, particularly with lower sodium,” said Idamarie Laquatra, Director of Global Nutrition, Heinz. “Heinz Ketchup is proud to provide consumers with lower sodium ketchup with the great taste that Americans expect.”

This reduction in sodium will make Heinz Ketchup the lowest-sodium, nationally available ketchup in the U.S. So, whether people are on the go, eating out or at home, they will be enjoying the same great taste of Heinz Ketchup they love, with less sodium.

Idamarie Laquatra? Uh oh. That's a furrin name!!!1!!!!

210 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:10:37pm

re: #196 Girth

Don't you see?

First they came for my soup, and I said nothing.
Then they came for my ketchup, and I raged about it online.
Then they came for my potato chips, and I joined a militia to overthrow the government.

OMG that was funneeeee!

211 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:11:12pm

re: #207 Thanos

I read it cover to cover, and while he goes very hyperbolic on his analysis (actually, "armchair psychoanalysis") the facts in the book are indeed true, I've verified the great bulk of them myself. The footnotes are a wealth of information and links to wingnut dirt.

Hyperbolic indeed. What's frightening is there is no apparent need for the hyperbole.

212 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:11:32pm

re: #209 Gus 802

This is kind of old news too. The Heinz ketchup thing that is.

February 04, 2010 09:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Heinz® Ketchup ‘Uncaps’ New Decade with Revolutionary Product and Packaging Innovations

Idamarie Laquatra? Uh oh. That's a furrin name!!!1!!!

Reminds me of New Coke.

213 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:11:35pm

re: #194 Gus 802

Yes...

Boycott Heinz from the fruit loops at Freerepublic

My memory serves. Yay! They suck still!

214 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:12:05pm

re: #208 marjoriemoon

Heh... This administration wants to commit a terrible evil and limit the amount of salt in ordinary food. A shonda! A pox upon them! We're on the way to Nazism!

Not too long ago, I remember a president who considered ketchup a vegetable.

My 6 year old came to the same conclusion. There's an insult lurking in there.

215 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:12:10pm

re: #179 prairiefire

Ah, please don't mention Trig. He's just a baby. How about Todd Palin?

I will mention Trig again:

His mother used his baby ass to make lying political points about nonexistent "death panels" for her own personal gain.

As she did with Bristol. She dressed up the date-rapist Levi Johnston as the ideal father for her unmarried pregnant daughter and pretended it was all about "family values" for the GOP convention. The grifter knew the first time she met Levi that he was the most awful candidate for her daughter's hand that she could possibly imagine. Then came the nomination, and the revelation, and she was ready to sell her daughter's future (and body, and soul) to win.

This is a woman who would sell the future of her own children for power.

No sarcastic scorn is too biting for her.

216 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:12:10pm

re: #208 marjoriemoon

Heh... This administration wants to commit a terrible evil and limit the amount of salt in ordinary food. A shonda! A pox upon them! We're on the way to Nazism!

Where is the FDA edict on salt limits?

I really want to know.

217 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:12:28pm

What's the actual problem here? Have they made the ketchup resistant to adding extra salt?

218 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:12:58pm

re: #203 Renaissance_Man

It is, sadly, also the truth in their world. Can't you see the tyranny? And the socialism? And - the tyranny? The arrogance of this illegitimate President in tyrannically ruling with tyranny?

You've got to get the lingo right, they're bitching about the totalitarian transnational progressives.

219 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:13:25pm

re: #184 Linden Arden

I respect Ezra Pound because he mentored "the better craftsman" - TS Eliot.

And 'Usura' - a poetic diatribe on usury.

But he did descend into madness.

Your point?

I could do that tomorrow. Would you think less of my posts because I went crazy?

220 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:13:51pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that's part of it. I was just reading the Hot Air article about the boycotts on Arizona over the immigration law. They kept blaming liberals, "Liberals do this" and "liberals want this" etc. What was completely missing from the article was Hispanics and other brown skinned folks, regardless of political leaning, might not want to visit Arizona for fear of being deported or hassled even if they're legal citizens.

The construction of monolithic evil and universal motivations of the bad guys is so unrealistic that any fiction writer worth a damn realises how stupid it sounds by the time he's twelve years old. He realises that this idiotic construct will make his story so laughable that he discards it and learns to flesh out his antagonists.

Luckily, for those writers so bad that they never figure this out, there's a place and a willing audience waiting in the blogosphere and on FOX.

221 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:13:56pm
And to put the idiot icing on the crazy cake, Erickson posted Kagan’s thesis illegally, violating its copyright, and Princeton sent Redstate.com a letter demanding that it be taken down.

The socialist elite is trying to stifle free speech! Ohh Noes!

/

222 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:14:02pm

re: #208 marjoriemoon

Heh... This administration wants to commit a terrible evil and limit the amount of salt in ordinary food. A shonda! A pox upon them! We're on the way to Nazism!

Not too long ago, I remember a president who considered ketchup a vegetable.

Not too long ago, I remember a vegetable who was considered a President.

(nonpartisan! insert whatever potus you don't like. e.g., clinton, 'bush', etc.)

223 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:14:28pm

re: #190 Renaissance_Man

That goes back to the 2001 Weyrich manifesto.re: #211 Jeff In Ohio

Hyperbolic indeed. What's frightening is there is no apparent need for the hyperbole.

Indeed, not one whit is needed.

224 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:14:39pm

re: #190 Renaissance_Man

The insistence of the Conservative cult in purging anything that they can vaguely attach a liberal heresy to would be comical if it weren't so sad. I wonder if they get equally outraged when a company, say, does something environmental. Or modifies a drug to counteract microbial evolution. Or, now that Glenn Beck has had his way, uses the words 'empathy' or 'social justice' in any context.

I suppose whether they do depends on whether their media informs them that they should be outraged.


Digging a bit deeper into the Heinz family album, we discover that....

"The progressive views of family patriarch H.J. Heinz were out of sync with early 20th century capitalism. He provided employees with medical care and adult education. Some of his factories had rooftop gardens where workers could relax. It was in this era that armed guards for U.S. Steel killed 10 employees during the infamous 1892 Homestead strike at a plant in Pittsburgh. In a move laden with symbolism, Heinz Kerry would later purchase the abandoned U.S. Steel plant and turn it into a public park.

"He treated his workers better than anybody I have seen in the early 20th century," Nancy Koehn, a historian at Harvard Business School, said of H.J. Heinz. "He was the real deal."

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

It looks like the Socialist chickens are finally coming home to roost. Served with salt-free ketchup.

225 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:15:32pm

re: #218 Reginald Perrin

You've got to get the lingo right, they're bitching about the totalitarian transnational progressives.

Actually, I was quoting almost verbatim a Tea Partier I saw interviewed on Youtube.

226 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:15:50pm

Saltpocalypse now.

227 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:15:55pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Not too long ago, I remember a vegetable who was considered a President.

(nonpartisan! insert whatever potus you don't like. e.g., clinton, 'bush', etc.)

I hope it was asparagus.

228 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:15:55pm

I couldn't give a great gawt-damn what Heinz does with it's red colored corn syrup they call ketchup.

I am a Mustard-American.

229 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:06pm

re: #212 researchok

Reminds me of New Coke.

Actually, many people consider "New Coke" the greatest (intentional or not) marketing coup in history. When the smoke cleared that summer, Coke had eaten up significantly more supermarket shelf space by offering two formulas. Pepsi has never approached the same market share that they had in the mid-80s.

230 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:14pm

re: #215 Cato the Elder

I will mention Trig again:

His mother used his baby ass to make lying political points about nonexistent "death panels" for her own personal gain.

As she did with Bristol. She dressed up the date-rapist Levi Johnston as the ideal father for her unmarried pregnant daughter and pretended it was all about "family values" for the GOP convention. The grifter knew the first time she met Levi that he was the most awful candidate for her daughter's hand that she could possibly imagine. Then came the nomination, and the revelation, and she was ready to sell her daughter's future (and body, and soul) to win.

This is a woman who would sell the future of her own children for power.

No sarcastic scorn is too biting for her.

For HER, yes. We can still rise above bringing her kids into it, and to DS's credit, he took it right back. Nothing to see here...

231 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:18pm

Heinz Addendum:

"H.J. Heinz was branded a traitor in some sectors of the food industry because he supported government intervention to ensure minimum safety standards. As food-processing scandals raged in the background, he pushed hard for the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906, which created the Food and Drug Administration."

(snicker)

232 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:19pm

re: #189 prairiefire

I think that most likely Summer is hot.

That's as may be.

She told me she thinks smart old Romans are cool. And that she likes older men.

But given that all men think first with the third leg, I am probably just kidding myself.

If you want a friend, get a dog. If you want a confidant, ditto.

If you want trouble, fall in lust.

233 b_sharp  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:16:46pm

Hey people.

This is certainly off topic, and possibly something some may want to forget, but I just finished reading the Thursday night open thread. Now I'm not trying to be condescending, really I'm not, but I have to say I'm proud of you guys. You handled the rabid rabbit beautifully. I'm quite sorry I went to bed so early.

OK, back to the topic at hand.

234 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:17:13pm

re: #217 JasonA

What's the actual problem here? Have they made the ketchup resistant to adding extra salt?

From now on the only salt added to Heinz ketchup will be that distilled from John Kerry's swimsuit after he's done windsurfing off of Nantucket.

I can kinda see why they'd be pissed.

235 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:17:17pm

re: #216 Linden Arden

Where is the FDA edict on salt limits?

I really want to know.

There isn't one. There was some discussion, at least in NYC. If the discussion means that companies will start to police themselves better, then we all win.

236 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:17:28pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

Your point?

I could do that tomorrow. Would you think less of my posts because I went crazy?

No. I would respect you nevertheless.

I am not tying Pound to you at all.

Why do you ask?

I loved Eliot and Pound.

237 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:17:29pm

Bratwurst and iceweasaL are wondering if I am someone else. What's going on?
If I'm mistaken I apologize.

238 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:18:53pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

That's as may be.

She told me she thinks smart old Romans are cool. And that she likes older men.

But given that all men think first with the third leg, I am probably just kidding myself.

If you want a friend, get a dog. If you want a confidant, ditto.

If you want trouble, fall in lust.

Roman Wall Blues

Over the heather the wet wind blows,
I've lice in my tunic and a cold in my nose.

The rain comes pattering out of the sky,
I'm a Wall soldier, I don't know why.

The mist creeps over the hard grey stone,
My girl's in Tungria; I sleep alone.

Aulus goes hanging around her place,
I don't like his manners, I don't like his face.

Piso's a Christian, he worships a fish;
There'd be no kissing if he had his wish.

She gave me a ring but I diced it away;
I want my girl and I want my pay.

When I'm a veteran with only one eye
I shall do nothing but look at the sky

239 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:19:18pm

re: #229 bratwurst

Actually, many people consider "New Coke" the greatest (intentional or not) marketing coup in history. When the smoke cleared that summer, Coke had eaten up significantly more supermarket shelf space by offering two formulas. Pepsi has never approached the same market share that they had in the mid-80s.

In the halls of marketing, the sip test that put New Coke on shelves is studied on how NOT to run a focus group.

240 b_sharp  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:19:56pm

re: #202 Aceofwhat?

heh...not out of the question...just infrequent...

I eat poutine way more than I should. For days after, the sound of my stomach growling is drowned out by the plaque building up in my arteries.

241 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:19:58pm

re: #229 bratwurst

Actually, many people consider "New Coke" the greatest (intentional or not) marketing coup in history. When the smoke cleared that summer, Coke had eaten up significantly more supermarket shelf space by offering two formulas. Pepsi has never approached the same market share that they had in the mid-80s.

As my grandmother would say, 'More luck than brains'.

242 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:20:00pm
And to put the idiot icing on the crazy cake, Erickson posted Kagan’s thesis illegally, violating its copyright, and Princeton sent Redstate.com a letter demanding that it be taken down.

AHA! So what are they trying to hide? AHA!

243 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:20:58pm

re: #208 marjoriemoon

Not too long ago, I remember a president who considered ketchup a vegetable.

speaking of potus and veggies, three cheers for the the current and former potus, both of whom exercise regularly. it's a great example for them to set...

244 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:21:42pm

Incoming!

ADL statement on Pat Buchanan:

ADL Says Pat Buchanan's Anti-Semitism Unabated After His Remarks About Jews on the Supreme Court

New York, NY, May 15, 2010 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today called Pat Buchanan "a recidivist anti-Semite who doesn't miss an opportunity to show his fangs," in response to remarks he made about the Jewish faith of Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan and the religious makeup of the current court.

Buchanan wrote in his May 14 syndicated column, "If Kagan is confirmed, Jews, who represent less than 2 percent of the U.S. population, will have 33 percent of the Supreme Court seats. Is this the Democrats' idea of diversity?"

Buchanan continued, "Not in living memory has a Democratic president nominated an Irish, Italian, or Polish Catholic … What happened to the party of the Daleys, Rizzos and Rostenkowskis?"

Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:

Pat Buchanan is a recidivist anti-Semite who never misses an opportunity to show his fangs. His remarks about the Jewish background of Elena Kagan and the religious makeup of the Supreme Court are bigoted and unacceptable in a pluralistic society such as ours.

Kagan's nomination for the Supreme Court should be considered on its merits. She is a highly qualified candidate for the judiciary, an exemplary Solicitor General and a great legal mind.

As the nomination process for Kagan moves forward, we hope that all Americans will reject appeals to bigotry and anti-Semitism.

245 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:21:45pm

re: #215 Cato the Elder

I was thinking of the person Trig, not of Sarah.

246 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:21:48pm

re: #242 Spare O'Lake

Aha! Didn't they stash Hillarys thesis too? I actually don't care what the woman wrote 30 years ago. What is her thinking on issues NOW?!

247 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:21:49pm

re: #233 b_sharp

Hey people.

This is certainly off topic, and possibly something some may want to forget, but I just finished reading the Thursday night open thread. Now I'm not trying to be condescending, really I'm not, but I have to say I'm proud of you guys. You handled the rabid rabbit beautifully. I'm quite sorry I went to bed so early.

OK, back to the topic at hand.

yep. i thought they did too. made me feel pretty damn good about being a lizard...

248 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:22:01pm

re: #240 b_sharp

I eat poutine way more than I should. For days after, the sound of my stomach growling is drowned out by the plaque building up in my arteries.

I visited this place. And Schwartz's for smoked meat. Unbelievable.

249 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:22:30pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

That's as may be.

She told me she thinks smart old Romans are cool. And that she likes older men.

But given that all men think first with the third leg, I am probably just kidding myself.

If you want a friend, get a dog. If you want a confidant, ditto.

If you want trouble, fall in lust.

Sounds like she's after Berlusconi--he's available.

250 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:22:59pm

BTW, I'm pretty sure they're filming an episode of Kitchen Nightmares a few blocks away from my in a greasy spoon type diner. The parking lot has been packed with trucks and trailers, tons of lights, film crews and guys with boom mics running around. I thought they were filming a movie there but when I drove by today the place had undergone a huge makeover with new window coverings, etc. I'm half tempted to go down and find Gordon Ramsay and scream out "Jamie Oliver! Can I have your autograph?"
Think he'd punch me?

251 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:23:29pm

re: #244 Gus 802
I so wish the alphabets wouldn't give that fool airtime.

252 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:23:33pm

re: #243 Aceofwhat?

speaking of potus and veggies, three cheers for the the current and former potus, both of whom exercise regularly. it's a great example for them to set...

One of Michelle's passions is fighting obesity in children which is wonderful. She often invites school kids to the White House garden she's planted.

253 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:24:07pm

Haiku for Haku, May 14, 2010:

The thread grows thinner.
My dog springs out of the door
Lusty still for rats.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

254 b_sharp  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:24:16pm

re: #247 Aceofwhat?

yep. i thought they did too. made me feel pretty damn good about being a lizard...

Not sure of the forked tongue bit though...

255 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:24:22pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout
Mwahaha! Or ask if Anthony Bourdain is around.

256 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:24:30pm

Wait a sec. Levi is a date rapist??

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:24:39pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

Could be just the financial boon you're looking for.
/

258 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:25:01pm

re: #251 pingjockey

I so wish the alphabets wouldn't give that fool airtime.

Which? MSNBC or the people that are running that article like Townhall, Human Events and World Net Daily?

259 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:25:04pm

re: #244 Gus 802

Incoming!

ADL statement on Pat Buchanan:

ADL Says Pat Buchanan's Anti-Semitism Un Masterbated After His Remarks About Jews on the Supreme Court

This is what my mind saw. I need to get out more.

260 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:25:22pm

re: #244 Gus 802

Incoming!

ADL statement on Pat Buchanan:

ADL Says Pat Buchanan's Anti-Semitism Unabated After His Remarks About Jews on the Supreme Court

Where's the freaking petition to MSNBC? Someone has to start it & it will roll.

261 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:25:40pm

re: #239 Jeff In Ohio

In the halls of marketing, the sip test that put New Coke on shelves is studied on how NOT to run a focus group.

I have read this as well. Some have theorized that the whole affair was a contrived plan to introduce HFCS to the recipe nationwide. I seriously doubt that they intended to release a product that would be universally panned. Even so, the end result was ultimately very good for the company.

262 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:25:51pm

Law and Order canceled.
Heroes - canceled.

263 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:26:13pm

re: #247 Aceofwhat?
Did I miss a troll bash? I was way out of communications Wed and Thurs. No cell, no sat phone, no internet, very 70s!

264 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:26:18pm

re: #262 Thanos

Law and Order canceled.
Heroes - canceled.

Heinz Ketchup - canceled!11!!

/

265 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:26:24pm

re: #251 pingjockey

I so wish the alphabets wouldn't give that fool airtime.

No doubt. Buchanan does not represent main stream conservatism--only the extreme. He should be pushed away into a deep dark hole, somewhere that ensures he's never found.

266 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:26:30pm

re: #260 Stanley Sea

Where's the freaking petition to MSNBC? Someone has to start it & it will roll.

I'd love to see this just so I could watch the Fox pundits scream about Pat being persecuted.

267 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:26:45pm

re: #255 pingjockey

Mwahaha! Or ask if Anthony Bourdain is around.

Or I could insist on calling him Hugh Farnsely Wittingstall

268 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:26:55pm

re: #258 Gus 802
Damn, those people too. The guy is a walking cluster fuck.

269 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:26:59pm

re: #245 prairiefire

I was thinking of the person Trig, not of Sarah.

You cannot separate Trig the person from his mother's abject political misuse of him.

270 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:27:17pm

re: #252 marjoriemoon

One of Michelle's passions is fighting obesity in children which is wonderful. She often invites school kids to the White House garden she's planted.

That's kind of where this fear of "gov't in my food !!1!" started imo.

271 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:28:06pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout
Heh!

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:28:36pm

re: #266 JasonA

I'd love to see this just so I could watch the Fox pundits scream about Pat being persecuted.

Full of irony impaired comparisons to Nazi Germany.

273 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:02pm

re: #246 pingjockey

Aha! Didn't they stash Hillarys thesis too? I actually don't care what the woman wrote 30 years ago. What is her thinking on issues NOW?!

Well, as to Hillary, the bitch thinks depriving terrorism suspects of citizenship is a fine notion.

Next question?

274 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:10pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

That's kind of where this fear of "gov't in my food !!1!" started imo.

Michelle Malkin has been writing about Mrs. Obama's food thing for a while. She sees it as a seekrit communist plot because SIEU would benefit from running the school lunch program (or something).

275 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:17pm

re: #246 pingjockey

Aha! Didn't they stash Hillarys thesis too? I actually don't care what the woman wrote 30 years ago. What is her thinking on issues NOW?!

It is mildly interesting, is it not?

276 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:18pm

Well. Not a peep from the right wing blogs condemning Pat Buchanan. Unless I missed it.

277 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:33pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

That's kind of where this fear of "gov't in my food !!1!" started imo.

Michelle's trying to teach my little Johnny to eat vegetables.

SOCIALISM!!!1!1!11

278 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:44pm

re: #258 Gus 802

Which? MSNBC or the people that are running that article like Townhall, Human Events and World Net Daily?

MSNBC, mostly. He should get as much main stream press attention as Ron Paul--leave him to fester in obscurity in political wonk media outlets at best. Though, now that I think about it, MSNBC can't really be considered terribly mainstream.

279 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:29:56pm

Trouble at a gun / munitions factory

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

280 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:30:30pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

BTW, I'm pretty sure they're filming an episode of Kitchen Nightmares a few blocks away from my in a greasy spoon type diner. The parking lot has been packed with trucks and trailers, tons of lights, film crews and guys with boom mics running around. I thought they were filming a movie there but when I drove by today the place had undergone a huge makeover with new window coverings, etc. I'm half tempted to go down and find Gordon Ramsay and scream out "Jamie Oliver! Can I have your autograph?"
Think he'd punch me?

yes. i love that show. cathartic. everything i wish i could say at work but am not allowed to...

281 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:30:39pm

re: #277 Girth

Michelle's trying to teach my little Johnny to eat vegetables.

SOCIALISM!!!1!1!11

INDOCTRiTION!!!11!!

282 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:30:44pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder
No shit? Suspects? I don't think the rest of the Admin is on board with that.

283 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:31:02pm

re: #252 marjoriemoon

One of Michelle's passions is fighting obesity in children which is wonderful. She often invites school kids to the White House garden she's planted.

love it

284 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:31:11pm

re: #261 bratwurst

I have read this as well. Some have theorized that the whole affair was a contrived plan to introduce HFCS to the recipe nationwide. I seriously doubt that they intended to release a product that would be universally panned. Even so, the end result was ultimately very good for the company.

I've never heard that and that seems like a very risky strategy to grab market share. The conventional wisdom in focus group marketing is the New Coke sip test showed New Coke to be a winner as the sweetness was pleasurable as a sip and intolerable as 12 oz.

285 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:31:21pm

Did anyone post this yet?

Green ketchup? Please, I'm trying to eat here
July 10, 2000

All this talk about millennial disasters seemed so overblown.

That was until Monday, when, seven months after the New Year, H. J. Heinz decided to drop a bombshell on an American public: In an attempt to recapture the Nickelodeon market, the Pittsburgh-based condiment giant is planning to introduce green -- yes, green! -- ketchup in October of this year.

The new goop (which will apparently taste the same as the red stuff and even be enhanced with parent-pleasing vitamin C) will come in easy-to-squeeze bottles designed to emit a thin stream of shocking-green ketchup when aimed at, say, a plate of french fries (or the face of an unsuspecting sibling).

Heinz reportedly chose Kermit's favorite hue from a palette of "alternative" colors because, in the words of a company spokesperson, "it has a little more kitchen logic." In other words, it shouldn't be too difficult to associate a bottle filled with green (rather than blue or orange) goo with food you might actually want to consume.

If you ask me -- and for some unknown reason the folks over at Heinz didn't -- green is really an unfortunate choice for a condiment. First of all, there's the relish association. Relish, as far as I can tell, is the bastard child of cut-rate mustard and those icky sweet pickles.

Then there's the whole mold thing. Call me overzealous, but when I see something green in the refrigerator, my very first instinct -- the one they always tell you is right on "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" -- is to hold my nose, reach in and gingerly remove the offending foodstuff. (That tendency, now that I think about it, could explain why there are never any green vegetables in my refrigerator. OK, there's really nothing much in my refrigerator at all besides a jar of capers and a few cans of Dr. Pepper, but that's a different story.)

There are exceptions, of course, to my anti-green condiment rule. Green chile sauce (à la Tabasco) is passable, I suppose, but even though it's often hotter than its red counterpart, it always seems a pale imitation. Green salsa is palatable, but generally brings to mind questions I'd rather not contemplate while eating, like: How did this color come into being? What sort of bizarre food colorings am I consuming? Could I use this salsa in a multimedia performance art project?

But who am I to complain? The current scions of the Heinz dynasty obviously know what they're doing; the company's been an American icon since the 1870s. And goodness knows there's no harm in innovation. I just hope the new ketchup doesn't pave the way for a landslide of increasingly dramatic reincarnations in the condiment market -- or we could all spend the foreseeable future nibbling on sandwiches spread with magenta peanut butter and platinum-hued jam.

286 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:31:28pm

re: #281 JasonA
GRUEL 1! 1!11111!!!AHHHH

287 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:31:31pm

Keep the government out of my child's backfat.

288 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:31:40pm

there will be sparks flying on Real Time w. Bill Maher tonight --

guests-

Rep Darrell Issa (R)
SE Cupp (atheist conservative FoxNews hottie whom I have a crush on)
Jon Avlon - author (Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America)
Cory Booker - mayor of Newark, NJ.

289 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:31:53pm

re: #276 Gus 802

Well. Not a peep from the right wing blogs condemning Pat Buchanan. Unless I missed it.

What did he say--and have the right wing blogs been promoting it, or just ignoring it?

290 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:32:02pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

And to think, just a little over a hundred years ago, food safety/purity was one of the largest concerns on the average American's mind.

291 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:32:12pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

Well, as to Hillary, the bitch thinks depriving terrorism suspects of citizenship is a fine notion.

Next question?

The very notion reeks of fascism.

292 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:32:43pm

re: #282 pingjockey

No shit? Suspects? I don't think the rest of the Admin is on board with that.

Maybe so.

Hillary is.

The whiff of brimstone I got from her which prevented me from voting for her ass is more than justified by her behavior as Sec. State.

293 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:32:46pm

re: #263 pingjockey

Did I miss a troll bash? I was way out of communications Wed and Thurs. No cell, no sat phone, no internet, very 70s!

last night's thread...one bad wabbit. she was outclassed at every step.

294 Jaerik  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:33:03pm

re: #25 Dr. Shalit

Even the Great Sir Winston opined that one who is NOT a Socialist in their 20's has No Heart. He of course also opined that one who maintained those beliefs in their 40's had "No Brains." The upcoming hearings will show us whether "Heart or Brains" rules this nominee to the SCOTUS

It is generally considered poor form to both incorrectly paraphrase and mis-attribute quotes to the wrong person in the process of making a point.

"Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains."

Often mis-attributed to Winston Churchill. [5], The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a Republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

It was revived by French Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a Socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

Which is even more of a problem for your point, because usages of this quote have historically not even been consistent in which political side is supposed to be which, as you can see.

295 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:33:23pm

re: #279 Thanos

Trouble at a gun / munitions factory

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Muzzleloader=black powder. A buddy was a volunteer fireman who entered a burning house whose owner was storing illegal quantities. His helmet came out through the basement window.

296 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:33:28pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

You cannot separate Trig the person from his mother's abject political misuse of him.

wait...let me check.

huh. it turns out that you can.

297 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:33:43pm

re: #292 Cato the Elder
I didn't trust her anyway, me being a RWR conservative.

298 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:34:01pm

re: #289 BryanS

What did he say--and have the right wing blogs been promoting it, or just ignoring it?

Read the previous article for what Pat Buchanan said.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

No promotion. Just ignoring it.

299 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:34:44pm

re: #288 Linden Arden

SE Cupp (atheist conservative FoxNews hottie...

hmmm.....three out of four ain't bad...

300 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:35:03pm

re: #293 Aceofwhat?
Well, shoot. I was up in the wilds of the Cascade mountains at Stehekin and Holden Village. Nice boat ride with a couple of 18 hour work days crammed in!

301 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:35:39pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

I can criticize Sarah's use of him politically. I then will not make any further associations of any kind to or about Trig, because I don't know the little guy. If I were in a position to recommend some sort of help to the family for him, I would do that, but I'm not.
I'm just a mom myself who enjoys going after nefarious grown ups.

302 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:36:09pm

re: #300 pingjockey

Well, shoot. I was up in the wilds of the Cascade mountains at Stehekin and Holden Village. Nice boat ride with a couple of 18 hour work days crammed in!

i cried myself to sleep after the Cavs rolled over again...sigh...

303 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:36:56pm

re: #282 pingjockey

No shit? Suspects? I don't think the rest of the Admin is on board with that.

Actually it wasn't her idea, it was Lieberman's and Brown's, but Hilary Clinton felt it necessary to pipe right in.

304 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:37:23pm

re: #302 Aceofwhat?
Yup, LeBron doesn't have enough of a supporting cast.

305 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:37:39pm

re: #299 Girth

SE Cupp (atheist conservative FoxNews hottie...

hmmm...three out of four ain't bad...

Would that be this SE Cupp?

306 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:38:21pm

re: #303 Spare O'Lake
I heard about Lieberman, but thought he was talking about striping citizen ship after conviction.

307 lazardo  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:38:56pm

re: #302 Aceofwhat?

i cried myself to sleep after the Cavs rolled over again...sigh...

You weren't the only one.

308 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:39:03pm

re: #276 Gus 802

Well. Not a peep from the right wing blogs condemning Pat Buchanan. Unless I missed it.

Also nobody's condemning Drudge for linking to 9-11 Truther Alex Jones either. Wingunts just don't care anymore.

309 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:39:13pm

re: #306 pingjockey

I heard about Lieberman, but thought he was talking about striping citizen ship after conviction.

No, prior to.

310 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:39:18pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

You must go check it out.

311 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:39:18pm

re: #285 NJDhockeyfan

lol My husband made my lunch one day, turkey sandwich with a dried tomato mayonnaise. The mayonnaise was a reddish-orange because of the tomato. Anyway, one of the guys at work who was in charge of cleaning out the fridge tossed it thinking it had gone bad!

I can't imagine what he would have thought if it was green. But the kids would love it.

312 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:40:08pm

re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth

Would that be this SE Cupp?

better SE Cupp

Despite my crush on her - I am a liberal.

313 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:40:16pm

re: #306 pingjockey

IIRC it was suspects...there was a thread on this just the other day.

314 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:40:22pm

re: #145 darthstar

The first comment is from some fucktard named "Cato the Younger"...no relation to our own Cato, I hope?

I have but one nick, and I post on but one blog.

There are, though, Catos out there who are not authorized by me.

I'm going to hire the lawyers who won the judgment for "Hurt Locker", and everyone who abuses my name shall pay!

315 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:40:25pm

re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth

"God is like porn."

HaHaHaHa! She's adorable!

316 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:40:41pm

re: #309 iceweasel
So they want to shit can the Bill of Rights for US citizens SUSPECTED of terrorism? Have they forgot that little oath they took? Goddamn idiots.

317 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:41:11pm

re: #310 Stanley Sea

You must go check it out.

Nah, I'm camera shy. When I see a camera crew my first instinct is to pull my shirt over my head and start screaming "NO COMMENT!"

318 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:41:13pm

re: #313 Spare O'Lake
Thanks.

319 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:42:26pm

re: #298 Gus 802

Read the previous article for what Pat Buchanan said.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

No promotion. Just ignoring it.

I think a lot of conservatives think Buchanan is not one of them. It would be good for some of them to say as much. This conservative would never support or endorse Buchanan. If I had to choose between Stain and Buchanan, Stalin would be a slightly better option .

Though, I think I see more signs of head nodding to anti-semetism on the left than the right. Remember all the thinly veiled Jewish conspiracy laden stories about all those Neocons (left wing euphemism for Republican Jew) running the Republican party and the nation's foreign policy?

320 pingjockey  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:42:44pm

Later folks. Going to the Cancer walk for a while.

321 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:43:41pm

re: #316 pingjockey

So they want to shit can the Bill of Rights for US citizens SUSPECTED of terrorism? Have they forgot that little oath they took? Goddamn idiots.

Yep. Of course, under Obama we can now assassinate american citizens without trial too.

Here's the LGF thread on the suspect issue: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

322 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:43:42pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

Well, as to Hillary, the bitch thinks depriving terrorism suspects of citizenship is a fine notion.

Next question?

This notion of judicially stripping anyone of citizenship, for any reason whatsoever, is about the most fucked-up thing yet to emerge from the American government. In this case, I don't think it violates Godwin's Law to point out that the experiment to see what happens when people start thinking this way has already been conducted.

323 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:43:45pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

Also nobody's condemning Drudge for linking to 9-11 Truther Alex Jones either. Wingunts just don't care anymore.

Would it kill them? First it's in the context of Pat Buchanan being a "conservative" mouthpiece for several media outfits. Second, it's in the immediate context of Supreme Court nominee Kagan. Third, there's the anti-Semitism.

324 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:44:03pm

re: #310 Stanley Sea

You must go check it out.

Also, these shows are a joke. I watch Kitchen Nightmares but I kinda doubt I could just walk into that restaurant. There's no customer parking because it's all taken up with film crew trucks and trailers. The "customers" are probably paid extras.

325 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:45:23pm

re: #321 iceweasel

Iz ur fone wrkg agn?

I haven't talked to you for tooo looong.

326 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:46:01pm

re: #323 Gus 802

I think the prevailing mentality is that anyone who opposes Obama is on their side. Lunatics like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Glenn Beck are welcome. Wingnuts just have no interest in keeping their house clean.

327 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:46:11pm

Is Cato on the prowl...?

328 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:46:28pm

re: #319 BryanS

I think a lot of conservatives think Buchanan is not one of them. It would be good for some of them to say as much. This conservative would never support or endorse Buchanan. If I had to choose between Stain and Buchanan, Stalin would be a slightly better option .

dude, i don't want to pick nits...but that's a weird thing to say.

329 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:47:12pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

Well, as to Hillary, the bitch thinks depriving terrorism suspects of citizenship is a fine notion.

Next question?

Do you have a link to that? All I found was this in the Boston Herald:

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said her agency would “certainly take a hard look at it.”

“I understand the desire behind the recommendations,” Clinton said. She noted that naturalized citizens swear an oath to uphold the Constitution and that “people who are serving foreign powers and, in this case, foreign terrorists, are clearly in violation, in my personal opinion, of that oath which they swore when they became citizens.”

330 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:47:15pm

I think the Dems are now starting to swing into real campaign mode...

Youtube Video
331 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:47:26pm

re: #327 JasonA

Is Cato on the prowl...?

Lock up your daughters. The Romans are comin' ashore!

332 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:47:35pm

re: #325 Cato the Elder

Iz ur fone wrkg agn?

I haven't talked to you for tooo looong.

Yep! Jimmah and I were going to call you tomorrow night from somewhere interesting. ;)
How are you? I miss my cranky Roman pal.

333 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:47:51pm

What's up with the upside down flag on Drudge? I can't tell what story that pertains to.

334 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:48:14pm

re: #332 iceweasel

Yep! Jimmah and I were going to call you tomorrow night from somewhere interesting. ;)
How are you? I miss my cranky Roman pal.

What if I call you in ten minutes?

335 b_sharp  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:48:18pm

re: #302 Aceofwhat?

i cried myself to sleep after the Cavs rolled over again...sigh...

Baby.

You don't see me crying about the Canucks.

336 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:48:56pm

re: #333 JasonA

What's up with the upside down flag on Drudge? I can't tell what story that pertains to.

It means the Republic is in peril.

Keep yer powder dry!

337 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:49:04pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

I think the prevailing mentality is that anyone who opposes Obama is on their side. Lunatics like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Glenn Beck are welcome. Wingnuts just have no interest in keeping their house clean.

We should have gotten the hint when next to no mainstream righties (elected officials and media types) condemned the birthers.

338 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:49:14pm

re: #334 Cato the Elder

What if I call you in ten minutes?

Can't! We're doing laundry and cookin'!
(boring, I know...)

339 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:49:20pm

re: #328 Aceofwhat?

dude, i don't want to pick nits...but that's a weird thing to say.

They're both psychos who hate Jews--I'm thinking Buchanan if he had his way would be slightly worse than Stalin.

340 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:49:21pm

re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth

Would that be this SE Cupp?

Just listening to Hannity's intro - such propaganda. "The liberal elite is going to take away your religion"

341 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:49:59pm

re: #340 Stanley Sea

Just listening to Hannity's intro - such propaganda. "The liberal elite is going to take away your religion"

Yeah, but what are we gonna do with it?

342 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:50:01pm

re: #302 Aceofwhat?

i cried myself to sleep after the Cavs rolled over again...sigh...

hee hee. (sorry) Too much invested in one guy.

343 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:50:19pm

re: #335 b_sharp

Baby.

You don't see me crying about the Canucks.

i'm honest, not stoic...that, and it's about to be a long time until college football season. baseball is boooring...

344 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:50:23pm

re: #316 pingjockey

So they want to shit can the Bill of Rights for US citizens SUSPECTED of terrorism? Have they forgot that little oath they took? Goddamn idiots.

It's craziness. As I see it the problem is that the pols fear, perhaps with some merit, that the US justice system is ill equipped to deal effectively with suspected citizen terrorists like the Times Square Bomber. So instead of considering some terror-specific reforms to the arrest, bail and/or pre-trial publicity provisions, they go off the deep end with a nutty proposal like this.

345 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:50:49pm

re: #339 BryanS

They're both psychos who hate Jews--I'm thinking Buchanan if he had his way would be slightly worse than Stalin.

alrighty.

346 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:51:17pm

re: #339 BryanS

They're both psychos who hate Jews--I'm thinking Buchanan if he had his way would be slightly worse than Stalin.

I am the furthest thing from a Buchanan fan...but you think he has the potential to be worse than the man many consider the worst mass murderer in history?!?!?!

347 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:51:42pm

I've waited several years to register here and now several individuals have questioned my veracity without addressing me directly. Can someone tell me what is going on? I don't want to be a whiner but I am not younglibertarian! With God as my witness I do not know who younglibertarian is.

348 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:51:43pm

re: #342 Stanley Sea

hee hee. (sorry) Too much invested in one guy.

it's ok...i wouldn't post my loyalties if i wasn't ready to be prodded;)

349 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:51:43pm

re: #333 JasonA

What's up with the upside down flag on Drudge? I can't tell what story that pertains to.

I suspect that's sposed to be for the Police memorial services, but I can't find the story at Drudge either..

350 Gus  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:51:55pm

re: #340 Stanley Sea

Just listening to Hannity's intro - such propaganda. "The liberal elite is going to take away your religion"

First, they came for the Ketchup™...

//

351 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:52:15pm

UPDATE at 5/14/10 5:10:48 pm:

And to put the idiot icing on the crazy cake, Erickson posted Kagan’s thesis illegally, violating its copyright, and Princeton sent Redstate.com a letter demanding that it be taken down.

New to the tread and probably putting my foot in my mouth as well as up my ass, but do you have a link that proves this?

352 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:52:24pm

re: #340 Stanley Sea

Just listening to Hannity's intro - such propaganda. "The liberal elite is going to take away your religion"

Hannity and Limpy are preaching to dying audiences.

Thus S.E. Cupp - who I figure is a Murdoch media creation.

And the fact that I like her? Hey - she is a valuable media property.

353 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:52:25pm

re: #340 Stanley Sea

And Miss Cupp seems to be toeing that line in the video.

354 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:52:48pm

re: #46 Irenicum

So if Kagan had written on the history of the NYC transit system, would that make her a choo choo train?

no, they'd say it made her a member of the IRA. Three of the founders of the subway driver's union were members of the IRA. To a wingnut, that's proof positive.

355 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:53:16pm

re: #347 Nick Morgan

I've waited several years to register here and now several individuals have questioned my veracity without addressing me directly. Can someone tell me what is going on? I don't want to be a whiner but I am not younglibertarian! With God as my witness I do not know who younglibertarian is.

some idiot who keeps trying to re-register. as long as you're not him, don't worry about it.

356 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:54:06pm

re: #339 BryanS

They're both psychos who hate Jews--I'm thinking Buchanan if he had his way would be slightly worse than Stalin.

Stalin slaughtered 30 million Russians.

357 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:54:23pm

re: #347 Nick Morgan

I've waited several years to register here and now several individuals have questioned my veracity without addressing me directly. Can someone tell me what is going on? I don't want to be a whiner but I am not younglibertarian! With God as my witness I do not know who younglibertarian is.

Why did you wait several years?

358 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:54:42pm

re: #352 Linden Arden

Hannity and Limpy are preaching to dying audiences.

Thus S.E. Cupp - who I figure is a Murdoch media creation.

And the fact that I like her? Hey - she is a valuable media property.

Oh, the faux atheist?

359 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:54:42pm

re: #351 Bubblehead II

UPDATE at 5/14/10 5:10:48 pm:

And to put the idiot icing on the crazy cake, Erickson posted Kagan’s thesis illegally, violating its copyright, and Princeton sent Redstate.com a letter demanding that it be taken down.

New to the tread and probably putting my foot in my mouth as well as up my ass, but do you have a link that proves this?

Check the link to RedState. The page there says that they pulled the PDF due to Princeton's copyright.

360 The Left  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:54:59pm

re: #351 Bubblehead II

UPDATE at 5/14/10 5:10:48 pm:

And to put the idiot icing on the crazy cake, Erickson posted Kagan’s thesis illegally, violating its copyright, and Princeton sent Redstate.com a letter demanding that it be taken down.

New to the tread and probably putting my foot in my mouth as well as up my ass, but do you have a link that proves this?

Click through to the original RS post, and you'll see Erick updated his post to say it was pulled at the request of Princeton.

361 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:55:32pm

re: #355 Aceofwhat?

Thank you. I'm not worried anymore. Iwas just confused.

362 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:56:00pm

re: #346 bratwurst

I am the furthest thing from a Buchanan fan...but you think he has the potential to be worse than the man many consider the worst mass murderer in history?!?!?!

Have you ever listened to Buchanan? That guy is a nutjob among nutjobs. It is astounding that he is given any credibility at all by any national media outlet. Glen Beck is an example of a buffoon and a relatively harmless kind of crazy. Buchanan is well reasoned in his conspiracy theories if you assume his crazy presupposition that Jews run the world. That is what makes him dangerous. What is the logical conclusion to such a deranged view?

363 Ojoe  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:56:01pm

Tonight's towercam: the shadows deepen in the canyons of the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Pacific time zone.

Open it in a separate window and watch the light change color and fade to a deep dusk.

Be back tomorrow.

364 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:56:04pm

re: #357 prairiefire

Why did you wait several years?

Maybe he never caught a registration window. It took me 5 months to find one.

365 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:56:22pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. Like I said, late to the party.

366 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:56:58pm

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

no, they'd say it made her a member of the IRA. Three of the founders of the subway driver's union were members of the IRA. To a wingnut, that's proof positive.

That gets the big PING.

367 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:57:08pm

re: #361 Nick Morgan

Thank you. I'm not worried anymore. Iwas just confused.

Cool. Relax and have fun. It's a good thread and we've got a great crowd tonight.

368 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:57:10pm

re: #351 Bubblehead II

UPDATE at 5/14/10 5:10:48 pm:

And to put the idiot icing on the crazy cake, Erickson posted Kagan’s thesis illegally, violating its copyright, and Princeton sent Redstate.com a letter demanding that it be taken down.

New to the tread and probably putting my foot in my mouth as well as up my ass, but do you have a link that proves this?

The link in the story to the site shows the site itself claiming they removed the thesis due to a copyright protection request.

369 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:58:27pm

I get so behind a thread.

But without quoting it, I'll just say that #347 has happened before.

Stewing about being called out....then asking again....

370 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:58:34pm

re: #353 Slumbering Behemoth

And Miss Cupp seems to be toeing that line in the video.

So I click that link upthread to her site and what do I see...
What do you mean, we don't know Elena Kagan?

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/05/12/2010-05-12_what_do_you_mean_we_dont_know_elena_kagan.html#ixzz0nxX0d64G

skip skip skip

So there you have it. I've given you all you need to know about Kagan. All this self-righteous posturing over her lack of experience and her murky ideology is nothing more than self-indulgent elitism run amok. She went to really good schools. She likes coffee. And dogs. She plays poker. And roots for my man David Wright. So fellow pundits, let's quit it with all these annoying "questions" about who Elena Kagan is.

Curiosity is soooo 2004.

Leave the sarcasm to the experts, S.E.

371 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:58:47pm

re: #344 Spare O'Lake

It's craziness. As I see it the problem is that the pols fear, perhaps with some merit, that the US justice system is ill equipped to deal effectively with suspected citizen terrorists like the Times Square Bomber. So instead of considering some terror-specific reforms to the arrest, bail and/or pre-trial publicity provisions, they go off the deep end with a nutty proposal like this.

FEAR

372 b_sharp  Fri, May 14, 2010 6:59:29pm

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

Maybe he never caught a registration window. It took me 5 months to find one.

It took you 5 months?

I must have been lucky.

373 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:00:19pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Cool. Relax and have fun. It's a good thread and we've got a great crowd tonight.

Well, then. How about some Rock N Roll? Cage The Elephant:

Youtube Video
374 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:00:34pm

re: #357 prairiefire

Why did you wait several years?

it literally took me years to catch an open registration...

375 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:00:36pm

re: #347 Nick Morgan

I've waited several years to register here and now several individuals have questioned my veracity without addressing me directly. Can someone tell me what is going on? I don't want to be a whiner but I am not younglibertarian! With God as my witness I do not know who younglibertarian is.

Where were you on November 22, 1963?

376 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:01:18pm

I had this long post about being a card-carrying member of the CPUSA in college, and how I'm now a card-carrying member of the GOP. Then, I figured it wouldn't convince Erick of anything. Next, I realized that he wouldn't even read my post and finally I realized that a lot of life is mental masturbation. He's not worthy of sharing.


Youtube Video
377 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:01:27pm

While Walter's getting snow tonight where I am at it's Spring, and the race to bloom is on...

Image: It-is-Spring.jpg

378 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:01:29pm

re: #366 Olsonist

That gets the big PING.

Thank you, sir. It's also worth noting that the subway workers' (as well as that of the tunnel diggers called 'sandhogs') support for the IRA continued for for decades. Even as late as the 1980's, events at bars would often have a tip jar labeled "For the Lads". This also crossed party boundaries, as back in those days GOP Congressman Peter King frequently placed money in said jars. However, such American support terminated in 1997 with the Good Friday Agreements.

379 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:01:58pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

I get so behind a thread.

But without quoting it, I'll just say that #347 has happened before.

Stewing about being called out...then asking again...

yep. still, i'd rather be guilty of welcoming and occasionally gullible than nasty and occasionally correct.

380 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:01:59pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Check the link to RedState. The page there says that they pulled the PDF due to Princeton's copyright.

They pulled it? Last I saw they posted the letter they received from Princeton, and belittled it.

HA

381 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:02:01pm

re: #374 Aceofwhat?

Meh, it all seems so familiar. Happy Friday, Ace, future Captain of Industry.

382 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:02:10pm

re: #374 Aceofwhat?

it literally took me years to catch an open registration...


a bit over two years for me....reg was not announced at that time

383 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:02:46pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

I think the prevailing mentality is that anyone who opposes Obama is on their side. Lunatics like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Glenn Beck are welcome. Wingnuts just have no interest in keeping their house clean.

Alex Jones' shtick has always revolved around fear of The Person In Charge Right Now. I've been half-assedly aware of him since I ran into him in Waco during the Branch Davidian stuff. I lived there at the time. Side note: he is allegedly the same age I am. If that's the case, I'm either a textbook case of neoteny, or the years have not been kind to him.

I sort of doubt that he believes his own bullshit. In order to do so, one would have to be so fantastically paranoid that a blazing breakdown would be inevitable. I think he's just found an exploitable niche, and is laughing all the way to the (Illuminati-controlled) bank. According to Alex Jones, EVERY conceivable conspiracy theory is true. I mean: The Shroud of Turin is a coded message created by the Knights Templar describing a strategy to win the war against the Illuminati. That kind of stuff. 9/11 was an inside job, David Koresh was a CIA agent who Knew Too Much, ditto Jim Jones, etc, etc, blah blah blah.

Alex Jones is the Benny Hinn of politics. And he makes a good living by it.

384 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:03:29pm

re: #370 JasonA

Leave the sarcasm to the experts, S.E.

She's still a cutie pie.

385 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:03:30pm

re: #381 prairiefire

Meh, it all seems so familiar. Happy Friday, Ace, future Captain of Industry.

heh. you forgot astronaut, guitar legend, and baron;)

386 Girth  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:03:36pm

I demand to see Erick, son of Erick's college thesis wherein I'm sure that he shows that Ronald Wilson Reagan was the Hand of God and would have solved all of the world's problems if only given enough time. I can then, by his own logic, conclude that Erickson is, in fact, Reagan, allowing me to dismiss his writings and "arguments" as the work of a zombie.

Vegan Zombie Reagan

GRAINS!

387 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:03:42pm

re: #360 iceweasel

In other words, He put is foot in his mouth and his head up his ass.

Just like me.

Night Lizards,

May tomorrow find you in better shape than me

388 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:04:19pm

re: #375 Spare O'Lake

Where were you on November 22, 1963?

Filling my diapers for my mom and drooling all over myself.

389 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:04:25pm

re: #376 MandyManners

I had this long post about being a card-carrying member of the CPUSA in college, and how I'm now a card-carrying member of the GOP. Then, I figured it wouldn't convince Erick of anything. Next, I realized that he wouldn't even read my post and finally I realized that a lot of life is mental masturbation. He's not worthy of sharing.

[Video]

Great insight, Mandy and great retro vid. Thanks for the great memories.

390 b_sharp  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:04:31pm

re: #382 albusteve


a bit over two years for me...reg was not announced at that time

Wow, it really took that long for some of you? I definitely lucked out.

391 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:04:48pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, in San Francisco the tip jars at the Clement Street Irish bars werefor the Belfast Children's Retirement Fund and the tourists thought it was so charming. Still it is good to see that that part of the world has quieted down. I'm on my way to Dublin in a month.

392 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:04:53pm

re: #375 Spare O'Lake

In class. 3rd grade. California. waiting for lunch. An announcement came over the intercom: President Kennedy has been shot. The Texas Governor has also been shot.confusion. I see your point. I'm too paranoid.

393 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:05:01pm

re: #384 NJDhockeyfan

She's still a cutie pie.

Looks like someone doing a bad imitation of Tina Fey doing a good imitation of the Once and Future Candidate.

394 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:05:05pm

Second ditty for Pat Buchanan:

A trusty, lusty, fascist old man
Can be counted on to do all he can
To keep down the Jews
And all the bad news
About aliens, black folk, and bran.

Copyright © 2020 Cato the Elder

395 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:05:25pm

re: #388 NJDhockeyfan

Filling my diapers for my mom and drooling all over myself.

Long lost twin?

396 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:02pm

re: #377 Thanos

Ahhh... peonies. We don't do peonies here. I remember when I was growing up, back where it snowed, that one could count on the peonies from bringing out those big black ants, who really seemed to like them.

397 Ojoe  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:03pm

re: #390 b_sharp

Way way back you did not even have to be registered at all.

398 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:04pm

re: #384 NJDhockeyfan

She is, but I expect more for my interest.

399 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:23pm

re: #393 Decatur Deb

Looks like someone doing a bad imitation of Tina Fey doing a good imitation of the Once and Future Candidate.

I see her on Red Eye sometimes.

400 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:25pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

I get so behind a thread.

But without quoting it, I'll just say that #347 has happened before.

Stewing about being called out...then asking again...

It can become an interesting game of who's trying to dupe who. But the truth always outs....

401 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:41pm

re: #391 Olsonist

Yeah, in San Francisco the tip jars at the Clement Street Irish bars werefor the Belfast Children's Retirement Fund and the tourists thought it was so charming. Still it is good to see that that part of the world has quieted down. I'm on my way to Dublin in a month.

Enjoy the trip. Vacation or work?

402 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:44pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Thank you very much!

403 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:55pm

re: #392 Nick Morgan

In class. 3rd grade. California. waiting for lunch. An announcement came over the intercom: President Kennedy has been shot. The Texas Governor has also been shot.confusion. I see your point. I'm too paranoid.

My 3rd grade was the Challenger disaster moment--I didn't exist in the 60s.

404 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:06:56pm

re: #394 Cato the Elder

Second ditty for Pat Buchanan:

Copyright © 2020 Cato the Elder

It's so fresh you haven't written it yet.

405 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:07:31pm

re: #398 JasonA

She is, but I expect more for my interest.

I'm not interested in her mind.

406 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:08:10pm

re: #394 Cato the Elder

Second ditty for Pat Buchanan:

Great stuff, Cato. Your talent for skewering jerks with verse is very good to have around. It makes having to read about them more bearable.

407 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:08:14pm

re: #394 Cato the Elder

Second ditty for Pat Buchanan:

Hmmm....was following you there except for the 'bran'.

408 b_sharp  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:08:59pm

re: #392 Nick Morgan

In class. 3rd grade. California. waiting for lunch. An announcement came over the intercom: President Kennedy has been shot. The Texas Governor has also been shot.confusion. I see your point. I'm too paranoid.

Born in '55?

409 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:09:05pm

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not interested in her mind.

A poorly developed one lessens any hold that the physical qualities may have upon me.

410 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:09:07pm

re: #397 Ojoe

Way way back you did not even have to be registered at all.

before my time...I started reading just after Charles busted D Rather, and I didn't think I'd ever get in...working, studying, and you just had to get lucky....it stunned me when I first logged in, like getting a drivers license or some monumental thing like that

411 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:09:08pm

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

Great insight, Mandy and great retro vid. Thanks for the great memories.

You're welcome!

412 Ojoe  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:10:05pm

re: #410 albusteve

Some day I think this blog will be famous, historically, I think.

BBL

413 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:10:32pm

re: #383 negativ

Interesting thoughts. It's always difficult to tell the true believers from the charlatans. I think Alex Jones and Ron Paul are genuinely insane. They believe their own bullshit and I consider them to be true believers. Glenn Beck on the other hand, is nutty but he doesn't believe his own bullshit. He's just cashing in.

414 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:11:07pm

re: #403 BryanS

re: #408 b_sharp

You betcha!

415 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:11:19pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

I tend to agree. Was his radio always this nutty? I know his CNN show wasn't.

416 Randall Gross  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:11:24pm

Time for me to get to another test bridge, later all.

Youtube Video
417 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:11:28pm

0re: #412 Ojoe

Some day I think this blog will be famous, historically, I think.

BBL

Dan Rather would regretfully agree.

418 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:12:11pm

re: #388 NJDhockeyfan

Filling my diapers for my mom and drooling all over myself.

There's a website for that.

419 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:12:33pm

re: #412 Ojoe

Some day I think this blog will be famous, historically, I think.

BBL

not for any thing I've contributed....although I don't remember music vids posted before I came along....very rarely maybe

420 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:12:36pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Mostly family, and sailing, and Joyce. Never been there and you shouldn't need too many reasons to go to Ireland and I've been to London enuf.

421 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:13:10pm

re: #418 negativ

There's a website for that.

Here's a link:

[Link: vitter.senate.gov...]

422 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:14:10pm

re: #403 BryanS

I remember that day. I was getting my daughter ready for pre-school and we watched it together on tv.

423 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:15:12pm

re: #412 Ojoe

Some day I think this blog will be famous, historically, I think.

But if there be no more books, will there be any more history?

424 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:15:16pm

There are always glimmers of hope: Politico take notice....
Tea party: Dark side of conservatism

Tea partiers also have echoes of a well-known grass-roots movement of the 1950s and ’60s — the John Birch Society. The JBS organized in upper-middle-class neighborhoods and among business groups for anti-Communist and conservative causes.

In tone and substance, tea partiers even sound like the JBS did. When they claim that a moderate American president is a “Communist,” it recalls the old JBS attacks on “Communist” President Dwight Eisenhower.

As today’s tea partiers shout their slogans to end the Federal Reserve, abolish the Internal Revenue Service and restore the gold standard, they seem to be lifting a page from the old JBS playbook.

...and this....
Tea Party-Backed Repeal Of The 17th Amendment Gets Republicans Into Trouble
There's always hope the GOP will recognize that the Tea Parties cannot produce a politically viable party.

425 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:15:36pm

Crash Kings, "Mountain Man":

Youtube Video
426 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:16:02pm

re: #422 Nick Morgan

I remember that day. I was getting my daughter ready for pre-school and we watched it together on tv.

All of us in the area schools had assemblies about space missions--the iddea that a teacher was going to be sent into space got grade schools all over the country involved in the moment. Our whole school stopped to watch in our classrooms the launch live.

427 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:16:12pm

re: #421 Decatur Deb

Here's a link:

[Link: vitter.senate.gov...]

David Vitter - the "mud blower"....

GOP values!

428 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:16:35pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Interesting thoughts. It's always difficult to tell the true believers from the charlatans. I think Alex Jones and Ron Paul are genuinely insane. They believe their own bullshit and I consider them to be true believers. Glenn Beck on the other hand, is nutty but he doesn't believe his own bullshit. He's just cashing in.

Include Limbaugh with Beck.

I first came across Jones when looking at David Icke.

429 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:16:50pm

re: #407 BryanS

Hmmm...was following you there except for the 'bran'.

Just riffin' on the whole "health food is bad for you and besides it's a commie plot" thing.

No worries. Sarcastic poems leak from my mind like sap from a maple tree.

430 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:17:33pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

There are always glimmers of hope: Politico take notice...
Tea party: Dark side of conservatism

...and this...
Tea Party-Backed Repeal Of The 17th Amendment Gets Republicans Into Trouble
There's always hope the GOP will recognize that the Tea Parties cannot produce a politically viable party.

it's the pinnacle of AmIdol politics....you just have to hope that it's temporary....the next cycle will be interesting, where will the power on the right land?

431 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:17:51pm

re: #396 freetoken

Ahhh... peonies. We don't do peonies here. I remember when I was growing up, back where it snowed, that one could count on the peonies from bringing out those big black ants, who really seemed to like them.

The old graveyards around here have wonderful peonies in bloom for Memorial Day.

432 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:18:40pm

re: #414 Nick Morgan

Hey!

Who is your avatar? I want to guess it's Moshe Dayan but, I'm often wrong.

433 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:18:52pm

re: #429 Cato the Elder

Just riffin' on the whole "health food is bad for you and besides it's a commie plot" thing.

No worries. Sarcastic poems leak from my mind like sap from a maple tree.

Thanx for the poem--and the explanation.

434 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:19:21pm

re: #428 MandyManners

Include Limbaugh with Beck.


You're probably right. Rush has a history of racial comments so I assume his animosity towards minorities is somewhat genuine. However, he's reaching the end of his career and will grasp at whatever ideas he thinks will keep him relevant. He's about as "in touch" with modern society as Andy Rooney at this point.

435 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:20:50pm

re: #430 albusteve

...the next cycle will be interesting, where will the power on the right land?

It's impossible to predict but I'd guess we have about a decade of floundering from the right until they get a clue.

436 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:20:53pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

There's quite a bit of this happening but, it gets ignored.

LOOK, A MIS-SPELLED SIGN HELD BY A CONSERVATIVE!!!!

437 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:21:17pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

There are always glimmers of hope: Politico take notice...
Tea party: Dark side of conservatism

...and this...
Tea Party-Backed Repeal Of The 17th Amendment Gets Republicans Into Trouble
There's always hope the GOP will recognize that the Tea Parties cannot produce a politically viable party.

Wow. Wow.

I always wonder who in the hell is reading Politico's comments, and what the hell are they doing with that info. The worst sociology experiment.

438 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:22:15pm

Micturating upwards upon a hempen hawser is good for your health, I'm told.

439 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:22:19pm

re: #434 Killgore Trout

You're probably right. Rush has a history of racial comments so I assume his animosity towards minorities is somewhat genuine. However, he's reaching the end of his career and will grasp at whatever ideas he thinks will keep him relevant. He's about as "in touch" with modern society as Andy Rooney at this point.

One sound to keep in mind about Limbaugh:

KA-CHING.

440 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:22:37pm

re: #432 MandyManners

Hey!

Who is your avatar? I want to guess it's Moshe Dayan but, I'm often wrong.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Moshe Dayan is correct. I saw him at the Flint Center in Cupertino California in 1979. I felt as if I were looking at Gideon or another Hebrew warrior of old. I will never forget it.

441 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:22:58pm

re: #420 Olsonist

Mostly family, and sailing, and Joyce. Never been there and you shouldn't need too many reasons to go to Ireland and I've been to London enuf.

Very cool. I've enjoyed sailing when I've been able to afford it. Have fun, you deserve it.

442 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:23:16pm

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege is Worse than the Nazi Camps

Dr. Ali Abdussalam Treki: "The siege on Gaza is a disgrace for the entire international community. It is a camp that is worse than the camps of the Nazis in the past. The world must uphold its responsibility.

443 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:23:18pm

... I wanna be sedated.

444 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:23:33pm

re: #440 Nick Morgan

Ding! Ding! Ding! Moshe Dayan is correct. I saw him at the Flint Center in Cupertino California in 1979. I felt as if I were looking at Gideon or another Hebrew warrior of old. I will never forget it.

*swoon*

445 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:24:07pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

It's impossible to predict but I'd guess we have about a decade of floundering from the right until they get a clue.

I find it all fascinating. Every month passed without self-introspection and honesty by them is another month lost.
I'm very much looking forward to the polling in September. There is a large disconnect at the moment between Obama's popularity and the popularity of the dems. Will he be able to bridge the gap. Yet again? ; )

446 Kragar  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:24:24pm

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege is Worse than the Nazi Camps

Tell Treki to eat a bag of dicks and STFU.

447 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:24:50pm

re: #443 Racer X

... I wanna be sedated.

Is thtere anyone at home?

Youtube Video
448 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:25:01pm

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

What an asshole.

449 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:25:29pm

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Very cool. I've enjoyed sailing when I've been able to afford it. Have fun, you deserve it.

I had a 29ft Hunter for several years....more trouble than it was worth without a slip on Lake Michigan...once on the water tho, it was a lot of fun

450 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:25:32pm

re: #426 BryanS

Teacher in space was one of the few things I disagreed with. I thought if there were a mishap it would set the shuttle program back several years.

451 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:25:55pm

re: #446 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Tell Treki to eat a bag of dicks and STFU.

re: #448 Slumbering Behemoth

What an asshole.

Yeah, I like yours better.

452 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:25:56pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

There are always glimmers of hope: Politico take notice...
Tea party: Dark side of conservatism

...and this...
Tea Party-Backed Repeal Of The 17th Amendment Gets Republicans Into Trouble
There's always hope the GOP will recognize that the Tea Parties cannot produce a politically viable party.

If the Tea Party keeps pushing this anti-17th Amendment idea, it will be their jumping of the shark. They don't have the kind of support needed for a constitutional amendment, so if they push one all they're going to do is fall off the top of the Stupid Tree and hit every branch on the way down.

453 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:26:10pm

re: #449 albusteve

I had a 29ft Hunter for several years...more trouble than it was worth without a slip on Lake Michigan...once on the water tho, it was a lot of fun

I got nailed in the head by a boom once.

454 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:26:40pm

re: #445 prairiefire

I find it all fascinating. Every month passed without self-introspection and honesty by them is another month lost.
I'm very much looking forward to the polling in September. There is a large disconnect at the moment between Obama's popularity and the popularity of the dems. Will he be able to bridge the gap. Yet again? ; )


The worst thing that can happen to the GOP right now is for them to get what they want and make gains in the 2010 elections.

If they do then they'll think that their doubling down on the crazy strategy is working and they're quadruple down on it only to get hammered in 2012 when Obama easily shellacks whatever lightweight they send out to run against him and in the process the Dem's make good their lossess and possibly win an even larger majority in both houses...

455 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:27:14pm

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege is Worse than the Nazi Camps

I hate the UN
a criminal enterprise poorly disguised as a humanitarian org...fuck them

456 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:27:26pm

re: #63 Charles

You can go ahead and disagree, but you are simply wrong. I've read most of the thesis. There is not ONE SINGLE LINE in there in which she "wishes for the victory of socialism." This is completely false.


You really mean to say that no reasonable person, reading the thesis from end to end, could conclude she thought it unfortunate that socialism had failed in America?

I'm not trolling. I'm not trying to torpedo her nomination. Her views have clearly matured. There's a reason there's a lower age bound on SC justices. She was just as bright then as she is now, but she hadn't the experience to form good judgments. Now she does. I wouldn't have nominated her, but then I'm not a liberal. If I had to nominate a liberal, she'd be high on the list, maybe even in first place. She'll do fine.

457 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:27:32pm

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege is Worse than the Nazi Camps

Is MEMRI ok with Mobarak's role in supporting this siege? Abu Mazen's ?

458 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:28:02pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Interesting thoughts. It's always difficult to tell the true believers from the charlatans. I think Alex Jones and Ron Paul are genuinely insane. They believe their own bullshit and I consider them to be true believers. Glenn Beck on the other hand, is nutty but he doesn't believe his own bullshit. He's just cashing in.

A short while back (during the Bush43 admin, mind you), Alex Jones shot some footage of himself walking around closed-down Amtrak stations, and made the case that these were being repurposed by the US .gov for use as FEMA concentration camps, and other nefarious things.

This is the universe Alex Jones wants you to perceive:
* The Powers That Be are all-powerful:
* They will slaughter innocents by the thousands and orchestrate an enormous hoax around it in order to advance their goals;
* They are in complete control of all the American television and print media, and agents abroad control the foreign press;
* They have extraordinarily sinister plans brewing;
* Yet, Alex Jones can somehow discover all this, tell the entire world about it, and can do so with impunity because if this unspeakable global malevolence got rid of him, it would cause ALL THE SHEEPLE TO WAKE UP, and then the vast empire of centuries-old nefarious secret societies would crumble and fall overnight.

And yes, thousands upon thousands of people buy into that line of thinking.

459 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:28:32pm

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege is Worse than the Nazi Camps

He's Libyan, so I extend the "Fuck You!" given to him to his loopy leader, Qaddafi. It's nauseating to watch the UN used a platform for that sort of Jew Hate. I know it happens a lot, but it still stinks.

460 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:28:58pm

re: #443 Racer X

... I wanna be sedated.

I saw the Ramones at Toad Place in New Haven back in the 80s.

461 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:29:01pm

re: #453 Stanley Sea

I got nailed in the head by a boom once.

the very first thing to learn....duck

462 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:29:18pm

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

President of the UN General Assembly Abdussalam Treki: Gaza Siege is Worse than the Nazi Camps

Seven countries accused of human rights violations, including Libya, Angola and Malaysia, won seats on the UN Human Rights Council in an uncontested election Thursday.

The UN General Assembly approved all 14 candidates for the 14 seats on the 47-member council by wide margins despite campaigns by human rights groups to deny countries with poor rights records the minimum number of votes needed.

All 14 countries easily topped the 97 votes required from the 192-member world body. Libya, which currently holds the presidency of the General Assembly, received the lowest number of votes — 155 — while Angola got 170 and Malaysia 179.

SNIP

463 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:29:20pm

re: #404 JasonA

It's so fresh you haven't written it yet.

Jeez. You're right.

And I was not going to unveil the time machine until after the Mayan death date in 2012.

464 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:29:48pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

He's Libyan, so I extend the "Fuck You!" given to him to his loopy leader, Qaddafi. It's nauseating to watch the UN used a platform for that sort of Jew Hate. I know it happens a lot, but it still stinks.

has that "deathly ill" libyan terrorist that gordon brown released died yet?

i didn't think so ...

465 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:30:04pm

re: #455 albusteve

I hate the UN
a criminal enterprise poorly disguised as a humanitarian org...fuck them

Succinct.

466 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:30:28pm

re: #446 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Tell Treki to eat a bag of dicks and STFU.

Nazi death camps? What Nazi death camps? I wish these guys would make up their minds.

467 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:31:04pm

re: #460 NJDhockeyfan

I saw the Ramones at Toad Place in New Haven back in the 80s.

TOADS!
2 pts

468 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:31:11pm

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Crew. You can crew for free. Start with Beer Can races. Pay attention, be polite and show up on time. Actually, it isn't free. Technically, as a skipper I owe you a beer after the race.

469 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:32:17pm

re: #468 Olsonist

Crew. You can crew for free. Start with Beer Can races. Pay attention, be polite and show up on time. Actually, it isn't free. Technically, as a skipper I owe you a beer after the race.

So what, my digny's bigger than your entire boat!

470 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:32:20pm

'Nite, all.

471 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:32:55pm

Bill Maher vs. S.E. Cupp and Cory Booker?

Awesome debate.

472 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:33:08pm

Do you think you can tell?


Youtube Video
473 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:33:44pm

re: #470 Decatur Deb

'Nite, all.

Sweet dreams, DD.

474 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:35:30pm

re: #466 researchok

Nazi death camps? What Nazi death camps? I wish these guys would make up their minds.

Silly researchnok, you're dealing in research and facts. To an Arab attacking Israel, the Death Camps can be real or fake from minute to minute depending on the political need. "Have you forgotten Doublethink?" The quote is from 1984, for no one has better described that phenomenon than Orwell.

475 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:35:36pm

re: #450 Nick Morgan

Teacher in space was one of the few things I disagreed with. I thought if there were a mishap it would set the shuttle program back several years.

Reagan's speech that evening was about the best possible message to explain why the failure should not be allowed to hold us back. As a third grader, I couldn't catch all his imagery ( "slip the surly bonds ... etc" ), but I understood the comparison to explorers in history. When I listened to that speech again with an adult perspective, I could truly understand how masterful Reagan was at communicating. He managed to deliver a message to adult and school child alike.

476 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:35:44pm

re: #469 jamesfirecat

I don't think so.

477 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:36:24pm

re: #462 MandyManners

U.S. Joins U.N. Initiative Whose Stated Goal Is to Bridge Islam-West Divide

The U.S. has signed on to a U.N. project whose stated aim is to build bridges between Islam and the West, but critics worry it is linked to an agenda that restricts free expression, especially when it comes to media coverage viewed as critical towards Islam.

State Department spokesman Philip Crowley announced Thursday that the U.S. has joined 119 countries and organizations in a “Group of Friends” supporting the Alliance of Civilizations (AoC), and as such will take part in the AoC’s third global forum in Brazil in late May.

...Among factors identified as contributing to difficulties between Islam and the West, the report highlighted “Israel’s continuing occupation of Palestinian and other Arab territories and the unresolved status of Jerusalem.”

The report acknowledged that terrorism, “committed by radical groups on the fringes of Muslim societies,” was a factor, but attributed it to Western policies and repression in the Islamic world, not to Islamist ideology.

478 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:36:27pm

re: #455 albusteve

I hate the UN
a criminal enterprise poorly disguised as a humanitarian org...fuck them

You should qualify that a bit lest you be berated for painting with too broad a brush.

The majority of UN seats belong to underdeveloped third world countries most of whom are little better than kleptocracies or worse. Is it any wonder that the UNCHR routinely issues statements condemning Israel while ignoring places like Darfur?

It isn't that it is a criminal enterprise per se it is that most of the members come from governments that would be considered illegitimate by this countries standards.

What is it the programmers say; "Garbage in, Garbage out?"

479 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:37:03pm

re: #476 Olsonist

I don't think so.

And the aware for most serious reaction to a Cadyshack quote goes to....

480 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:38:18pm

re: #403 BryanS

My 3rd grade was the Challenger disaster moment--I didn't exist in the 60s.

Mine was the failure of the first American satellite launch, a Vanguard, in 1957. We all assembled to listen on the radio. Phhht boom!

481 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:39:42pm

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. Joins U.N. Initiative Whose Stated Goal Is to Bridge Islam-West Divide

As if Islamic regimes are equal to free democracies.

The whole premise is absurd. It is up to the Islamic world to earn a place at the table of civilized nations.

Incitement and support of openly racist, bigoted, tyrannical and terrorist regimes and organizations does not an equal make.

482 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:42:05pm

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. Joins U.N. Initiative Whose Stated Goal Is to Bridge Islam-West Divide

What is with Obama throwing our allies under the bus?

483 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:42:07pm

re: #478 ausador

You should qualify that a bit lest you be berated for painting with too broad a brush.

The majority of UN seats belong to underdeveloped third world countries most of whom are little better than kleptocracies or worse. Is it any wonder that the UNCHR routinely issues statements condemning Israel while ignoring places like Darfur?

It isn't that it is a criminal enterprise per se it is that most of the members come from governments that would be considered illegitimate by this countries standards.

What is it the programmers say; "Garbage in, Garbage out?"

I've said it from the first time I logged in...I can take any berating...the UN is part of my three legged hate stool

484 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:42:35pm

re: #480 lostlakehiker

We eventually got it right. :)

485 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:42:46pm

re: #475 BryanS

Reagan's speech that evening was about the best possible message to explain why the failure should not be allowed to hold us back. As a third grader, I couldn't catch all his imagery ( "slip the surly bonds ... etc" ), but I understood the comparison to explorers in history. When I listened to that speech again with an adult perspective, I could truly understand how masterful Reagan was at communicating. He managed to deliver a message to adult and school child alike.

Just a question.

Who provided the context of that speech when you were a man?

486 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:42:54pm

Health workers’ shock at NHS survey that asked: how cool was Hitler?


It was a question that left NHS staff gasping in disbelief: the survey wanted to know how “cool” they would rate Adolf Hitler, on a scale of one to five.

“Cool” is not a word usually associated with the Nazi dictator who plunged the world into a war that cost tens of millions of lives. To add to their discomfort, the ambulance employees were then asked to rate Hitler in comparison with their own chief executive.

Workers were also asked to rate the “coolness” of other leaders including Richard Branson, Gordon Brown, Winston Churchill and the England football team manager, Fabio Capello. The survey, entitled Making Leadership Cool, is part of a £10,000 project that will help the NHS West Midlands Strategic Health Authority to devise a new leadership strategy.

But even mention of Hitler’s name in connection with an NHS initiative has raised eyebrows. The questionnaire was circulated to all 3,300 workers at West Midlands Ambulance Service last month after two paramedics applied for a bursary to carry out the survey. The authority will use the results to develop a “leadership development programme”.

487 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:43:03pm

re: #480 lostlakehiker

Mine was the failure of the first American satellite launch, a Vanguard, in 1957. We all assembled to listen on the radio. Phhht boom!

Radio? How quaint :)

488 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:43:07pm

Yes. Bomb designer, Mars expert sent by Obama to fix oil spill

[Link: preview.bloomberg.com...]

U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu signaled his lack of confidence in the industry experts trying to control BP Plc’s leaking oil well by hand-picking a team of scientists with reputations for creative problem solving.

Dispatched to Houston by President Barack Obama to deal with the crisis, Chu said Wednesday that five “extraordinarily intelligent” scientists from around the country will help BP and industry experts think of back-up plans to cut off oil from the well, leaking 5,000 feet (1,500 meters) below sea-level.

Members of the Chu team are credited with accomplishments including designing the first hydrogen bomb, inventing techniques for mining on Mars and finding a way to precisely position biomedical needles.

489 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:43:29pm

re: #482 BryanS

What is with Obama throwing our allies under the bus?

SOP

490 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:43:33pm

re: #468 Olsonist

Crew. You can crew for free. Start with Beer Can races. Pay attention, be polite and show up on time. Actually, it isn't free. Technically, as a skipper I owe you a beer after the race.

Back in my crewing days, we were called "boat n***ers".

491 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:44:03pm

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. Joins U.N. Initiative Whose Stated Goal Is to Bridge Islam-West Divide

I'm gonna' just shut the fuck up.

492 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:44:17pm

re: #481 researchok

As if Islamic regimes are equal to free democracies.

The whole premise is absurd. It is up to the Islamic world to earn a place at the table of civilized nations.

Incitement and support of openly racist, bigoted, tyrannical and terrorist regimes and organizations does not an equal make.

I blame religion--on all sides. Think the various parties will agree to turn to atheism if it means the wars stop?

493 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:44:28pm

re: #490 Cato the Elder

P.S. Didn't stop me from learning the ropes.

494 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:44:32pm

re: #486 NJDhockeyfan

Health workers’ shock at NHS survey that asked: how cool was Hitler?

Not many people know this, but the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer!

495 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:44:47pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

He's Libyan, so I extend the "Fuck You!" given to him to his loopy leader, Qaddafi. It's nauseating to watch the UN used a platform for that sort of Jew Hate. I know it happens a lot, but it still stinks.

It's even more nauseating to watch the rest of the dhimmi oil addicts enable this shit by their craven silence and acquiescence.

496 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:45:19pm

re: #491 MandyManners

I'm gonna' just shut the fuck up.

Don't say something that gets you in Time Out. But I'm with you.

;)

497 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:45:38pm

re: #494 jamesfirecat

Not many people know this, but the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer!

And his mere presence made women swallow the gravel he trod on!

[true story]

498 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:45:48pm

re: #494 jamesfirecat

Not many people know this, but the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer!

Was he a cool dancer?

499 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:45:51pm

re: #475 BryanS

Reagan was the best communicator of my life time. I didn't always agree with him but I was in awe of his ability to get his message across.

500 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:45:58pm

re: #482 BryanS

What is with Obama throwing our allies under the bus?

He really does think he can build bridges to those who hate us by "acknowledging their concerns" and giving them things. He fails to understand that they'd simply burn any such bridge. The regimes that hate us will continue to do so, because that hate is to their advantage. They don't want peace, but Obama does not understand this. He is not disloyal, however, merely naive.

501 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:46:02pm

re: #485 MandyManners

Just a question.

Who provided the context of that speech when you were a man?

What do you mean about "the context" when I was a man?

502 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:46:26pm

re: #492 BryanS

I blame religion--on all sides. Think the various parties will agree to turn to atheism if it means the wars stop?

Nope.

Israelis does not stone women, allow for honor killings or kill homosexuals, for starters.. These activitiers are state sanctioned and culturally enshrines in virtually all Islamic regimes.

No comparison to Christianity and Judaism.

503 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:46:27pm

re: #491 MandyManners

I'm gonna' just shut the fuck up.

Best notion you've had in years.

504 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:46:52pm

re: #495 Spare O'Lake

It's even more nauseating to watch the rest of the dhimmi oil addicts enable this shit by their craven silence and acquiescence.

Quite Concur.

505 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:47:05pm

re: #492 BryanS

I blame religion--on all sides. Think the various parties will agree to turn to atheism if it means the wars stop?

What?

506 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:48:23pm

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

He really does think he can build bridges to those who hate us by "acknowledging their concerns" and giving them things. He fails to understand that they'd simply burn any such bridge. The regimes that hate us will continue to do so, because that hate is to their advantage. They don't want peace, but Obama does not understand this. He is not disloyal, however, merely naive.

Much like our leader, as a dorm dwelling (for the next 14 hours) catnip smoking liberal I at least for the moment hope that such a group as the one he's joining might be able to do some good splitting apart the hard liners from the more moderate Muslims, so that t we can safely blast the former into itty bitty bits without harmer/infuriating the latter.

507 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:48:27pm

re: #505 Aceofwhat?

What?

What?

Indeed.

Atheism will save the wurld!

Like organic farming.

508 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:48:46pm

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan

Don't say something that gets you in Time Out. But I'm with you.

;)

Time out? Huh?

509 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:48:48pm

re: #507 Cato the Elder

What?

Indeed.

Atheism will save the wurld!

Like organic farming.

LOLOL

510 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:49:48pm

re: #501 BryanS

What do you mean about "the context" when I was a man?

Oh, good gravy.

511 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:50:09pm

re: #499 Nick Morgan

Reagan was the best communicator of my life time. I didn't always agree with him but I was in awe of his ability to get his message across.

It is amazing. Clinton and Obama both are effective communicators, but neither could communicate in a way that advanced policy like Reagan could. Listening to my grandparents--FDR's New Deal rhetoric was the closest thing, and in its day may have had the same effect as Reagan.

512 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:50:26pm

re: #503 Cato the Elder

Best notion you've had in years.

You're leaking again, sap.

513 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:51:19pm

re: #508 MandyManners

Time out? Huh?

Charles wouldn't permanently ban you if you posted something over the line. You are a valuable asset to LGF.

514 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:51:32pm

re: #492 BryanS

I blame religion--on all sides. Think the various parties will agree to turn to atheism if it means the wars stop?

Pass the bong, you've had enough.

515 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:51:40pm

Here is what I do not get.

Crude oil is currently priced at about $71 a barrel. The Deep Horizon catastrophe is leaking what - 5,000 barrels a day or more. That is - $355,000.00 a day. Oil companies spend billions on oil exploration and recovery.

No one has come up with a better way to capture spilled oil?

WTF?

Not even a Dyson Crude™ underwater vacuum cleaner?
Underwater Electrolux?
Nothing?

516 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:51:50pm

re: #490 Cato the Elder

Back in my crewing days, we were called "boat n***ers".

It's more of an East Coast yachty term. Generally, I get into the grill of anyone using BN or the full spelling on any boat I crew or drive. That said, a Jewish buddy of mine's proud nickname is Sammy. You can figure that out.

517 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:52:16pm

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

He really does think he can build bridges to those who hate us by "acknowledging their concerns" and giving them things. He fails to understand that they'd simply burn any such bridge. The regimes that hate us will continue to do so, because that hate is to their advantage. They don't want peace, but Obama does not understand this. He is not disloyal, however, merely naive.

I don't think he's disloyal either, but he seems to put so little interest in supporting our friends. From Great Britain, to Poland, to the Czech Republic, to Isreal, and the list goes on...there are very few friends he hasn't slighted. And I agree, it really does seem to be due to inattention. But what a tin ear he has.

518 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:52:39pm

re: #486 NJDhockeyfan

Health workers’ shock at NHS survey that asked: how cool was Hitler?

Coming soon: "How cool was Attila the Hun"

519 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:52:53pm

re: #513 NJDhockeyfan

Charles wouldn't permanently ban you if you posted something over the line. You are a valuable asset to LGF.

Everybody here does their part.

520 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:52:55pm

re: #480 lostlakehiker

Mine was the failure of the first American satellite launch, a Vanguard, in 1957. We all assembled to listen on the radio. Phhht boom!

Wow. Did you follow all of the NASA programs leading up to the moon?

521 Nick Morgan  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:53:12pm

Good night, everyone.

522 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:53:19pm

re: #504 Dark_Falcon

Check your mail...

523 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:53:38pm

For those angered by the latest bit of Arab Jew-Hate NJDHF posted, I present this article on a weapon that the US, UK and Israel will soon be using to give some of those would-be murderers a Very Bad Day:

Hellfire ‘Romeo’: one warhead fits all

Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control has qualified its latest AGM-114R ‘Romeo’ version of the Hellfire II guided missile, and is now awaiting a production contract, expected later this year. The ‘Romeo’ greatly simplifies the Hellfire II family, with a single multi-purpose warhead replacing the four current options.

The ‘Romeo’ is part of the continuing evolution of the Hellfire II, and addresses one of the key disadvantages of the current product line, insofar as a decision has to be made as to what type of round is carried when the carrier leaves on a mission. With AGM-114R, the weapons effects created by the four current warheads can be chosen and selected just prior to launch of the single missile version.

524 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:53:40pm

re: #511 BryanS

It is amazing. Clinton and Obama both are effective communicators, but neither could communicate in a way that advanced policy like Reagan could. Listening to my grandparents--FDR's New Deal rhetoric was the closest thing, and in its day may have had the same effect as Reagan.

Not to be cynical but do you think any of that had to do with the fact that he was a former movie star?

(Pause)

(Looks at current governor of California)

Make that, that he was a former movie star without a sill sounding (to the American era) accent.....

525 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:53:45pm

re: #502 researchok

Nope.

Israelis does not stone women, allow for honor killings or kill homosexuals, for starters.. These activitiers are state sanctioned and culturally enshrines in virtually all Islamic regimes.

No comparison to Christianity and Judaism.

All true, but Judaism is used to claim a religious right to all lands given to them in the Bible by their god. This drives the settlement issue and prevents political resolution. So yes, all sides' religion is part of the problem in my view.

526 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:54:10pm

re: #507 Cato the Elder

What?

Indeed.

Atheism will save the wurld!

Like organic farming.

it literally numbs my extremities to be so close to such a vapid moment. the shock impinges my brachial plexus...

527 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:54:36pm

re: #517 BryanS

I don't think he's disloyal either, but he seems to put so little interest in supporting our friends. From Great Britain, to Poland, to the Czech Republic, to Isreal, and the list goes on...there are very few friends he hasn't slighted. And I agree, it really does seem to be due to inattention. But what a tin ear he has.


he must figure his stern, fatherly approach is effective...he has a tremendous ego, but people just laugh at him and blow him off imo...he regards himself very highly

528 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:54:46pm

re: #507 Cato the Elder

What?

Indeed.

Atheism will save the wurld!

Like organic farming.

Smarmy, but fun comment as usual :)

529 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:55:24pm

re: #508 MandyManners

Time out? Huh?

There is a time-out feature here. Twenty-four hour lockdown.

But Mandy is immune by virtue of her role as scabrous, scurvy, poxy, blotchy, risible, mock-mettle motley fool.

530 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:55:26pm

re: #510 MandyManners

Oh, good gravy.

Mmmm...gravy...I'm still not clued into what was being asked.

531 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:55:39pm

re: #525 BryanS

All true, but Judaism is used to claim a religious right to all lands given to them in the Bible by their god. This drives the settlement issue and prevents political resolution. So yes, all sides' religion is part of the problem in my view.

i can't feel my fingers after reading that...

532 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:56:11pm

re: #525 BryanS

All true, but Judaism is used to claim a religious right to all lands given to them in the Bible by their god. This drives the settlement issue and prevents political resolution. So yes, all sides' religion is part of the problem in my view.

That argument is absurd.

You can't compare ancient texts to what is taught today. Won't fly.

As for the settlements, be advised that every time Israel is asked to give up settlements, they do.

And they still get killed in the name of Allah.

533 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:57:40pm

re: #517 BryanS

I don't think he's disloyal either, but he seems to put so little interest in supporting our friends. From Great Britain, to Poland, to the Czech Republic, to Isreal, and the list goes on...there are very few friends he hasn't slighted. And I agree, it really does seem to be due to inattention. But what a tin ear he has.

Give me a fucking break. Disloyal? He's the President of the United States.

Remember when it was either you are with us, or against us?

criminy.

Right wing Friday night!

534 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:57:49pm

re: #527 albusteve

he must figure his stern, fatherly approach is effective...he has a tremendous ego, but people just laugh at him and blow him off imo...he regards himself very highly

I do think President Obama has a very strong personality. I think he knew exactly what he was doing when he scratched his face with his middle finger or told Rush to go play with himself. He is such a tougher liberal than Clinton I can hardly believe my country's good fortune. No sarc tag.

535 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:59:14pm

re: #529 Cato the Elder

There is a time-out feature here. Twenty-four hour lockdown.

But Mandy is immune by virtue of her role as scabrous, scurvy, poxy, blotchy, risible, mock-mettle motley fool.

you should go into the waffle business, the maple sappage is abundant

536 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:59:31pm

re: #527 albusteve

he must figure his stern, fatherly approach is effective...he has a tremendous ego, but people just laugh at him and blow him off imo...he regards himself very highly

A man who wanted to be the "leader of the free world" regards himself very highly you say?

Fetch my fainting couch, I can't believe it!

537 palomino  Fri, May 14, 2010 7:59:33pm

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. Joins U.N. Initiative Whose Stated Goal Is to Bridge Islam-West Divide

You're linking to CNS, home of Malkin and Buchanan and many other unsavory characters. The article's assessment of the Alliance of Civilizations may be a bit slanted.

And Obama thinks so much of this new UN project that he skipped a chance to meet with them in April 2009. He visited our troops instead.

538 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:00:38pm

re: #524 jamesfirecat

Not to be cynical but do you think any of that had to do with the fact that he was a former movie star?

(Pause)

(Looks at current governor of California)

Make that, that he was a former movie star without a sill sounding (to the American era) accent...

Yes, it certainly trained him for the role. He knew how to play to the camera. But it wasn't just the acting, but the language and ideas that were effectively communicated. You could read his speeches and still see the weight they carried. Clinton was the opposite--they sounded great, but when you read them they seemed less so. Read some of what FDR wrote--much like Reagan's messaging, but just a different message. I think Reagan emulated much of what FDR did--he was a FDR supporter before turning Republican after all.

539 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:00:40pm

re: #537 palomino

You're linking to CNS, home of Malkin and Buchanan and many other unsavory characters. The article's assessment of the Alliance of Civilizations may be a bit slanted.


Heh, that won't stop 'em.

540 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:00:45pm

re: #534 prairiefire

I do think President Obama has a very strong personality. I think he knew exactly what he was doing when he scratched his face with his middle finger or told Rush to go play with himself. He is such a tougher liberal than Clinton I can hardly believe my country's good fortune. No sarc tag.

he's a dork, way over his head....how's that 900b stimulus working out?

541 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:02:05pm

re: #540 albusteve

he's a dork, way over his head...how's that 900b stimulus working out?

Considering that jobs are going up and unemployment is going down (bit of a tautology I know) pretty darn well!

542 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:02:05pm

re: #515 Racer X

I had that very same conversation today with an old dude I some times give change to buy beer.

Companies have had offshore drilling rigs since the 1890s. You'd think at least one of them in all that time would think "Gee, this kind of thing may happen one day, maybe we should develop a plan and run a few practice drills or something."

543 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:02:06pm

re: #529 Cato the Elder

There is a time-out feature here. Twenty-four hour lockdown.

But Mandy is immune by virtue of her role as scabrous, scurvy, poxy, blotchy, risible, mock-mettle motley fool.

If you said that to someone in person they would knock your teeth out. Right?

544 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:02:08pm

re: #536 jamesfirecat

A man who wanted to be the "leader of the free world" regards himself very highly you say?

Fetch my fainting couch, I can't believe it!

you'll catch on as your years pass by....idealism is like so yesterday

545 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:02:15pm

re: #540 albusteve

...how's that 900b stimulus working out?


Pretty well actually. Better than I expected.

546 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:03:43pm

re: #531 Aceofwhat?

i can't feel my fingers after reading that...

Blown away by the truth? Anger? So what is wrong with the observation that religion is the intractable cause of the Israeli conflict? I'm firmly on the side of supporting the Isrealis, but who can deny their religious factions are an obstacle to resolving the conflict?

547 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:03:56pm

re: #513 NJDhockeyfan

Huh?

548 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:04:01pm

re: #542 Slumbering Behemoth

I had that very same conversation today with an old dude I some times give change to buy beer.

Companies have had offshore drilling rigs since the 1890s. You'd think at least one of them in all that time would think "Gee, this kind of thing may happen one day, maybe we should develop a plan and run a few practice drills or something."

That seals it. I'm gonna patent my new Mega-Turbo Underwater Super Sucker™ oil recovery system.

549 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:04:11pm

re: #541 jamesfirecat

Considering that jobs are going up and unemployment is going down (bit of a tautology I know) pretty darn well!

unemployment going down?...wrong

550 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:04:18pm

re: #529 Cato the Elder

... scabrous, scurvy, poxy, blotchy, risible, mock-mettle motley fool.

Are you sure you're not describing yourself?

551 palomino  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:04:20pm

re: #543 Racer X

If you said that to someone in person they would knock your teeth out. Right?

That goes for MOST of what you'll find in the comments sections at AOL, Yahoo, even HuffPo. Not that I'm defending it, just saying.

552 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:04:29pm

re: #540 albusteve

Pretty GDP well:[Link: www.fxstreet.com...]

553 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:04:45pm

re: #544 albusteve

you'll catch on as your years pass by...idealism is like so yesterday

But pessimism lives forever.

554 Linden Arden  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:04:52pm

my last post tonight after watching 'Real Time'. (fwiw)

S.E. Cupp is a little conservative charmer - she did well. Murdoch picked a winner. Maher was an A-hole funny comedian as usual and they went at it with her.

Booker and the 'Wingnuts' author were mainly filler - although both are energetic. Four stars are too much for any stage.

Selah.

555 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:05:00pm

re: #533 Stanley Sea

Give me a fucking break. Disloyal? He's the President of the United States.

Remember when it was either you are with us, or against us?

criminy.

Right wing Friday night!

Stanley, he put that there to make it clear that he agreed with me. I said Obama is not disloyal to make it clear I wasn't falling for some sort of wingnut craziness. He was just agreeing with me.

556 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:05:13pm

Sassy!

Image: 0WmQG.jpg

Really cute!

557 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:05:19pm

re: #532 researchok

That argument is absurd.

You can't compare ancient texts to what is taught today. Won't fly.

As for the settlements, be advised that every time Israel is asked to give up settlements, they do.

And they still get killed in the name of Allah.

Huh? Surely you are kidding. You don't think these "ancient" texts are used by many today to justify some very ancient attitudes? Your argument needs some justification, not mine.

558 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:05:23pm

re: #543 Racer X

If you said that to someone in person they would knock your teeth out. Right?

Right.

And I would say it to her face, or yours, and add in an extemporaneous scurrilous rhyming skaldic poem about your ancestry to boot. In front of your mother, brothers, friends, concubines, bastard sons, drinking buddies, and all.

Your point being?

559 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #549 albusteve

unemployment going down?...wrong

Reed it and weep, or rejoice as I plan to.

[Link: www.google.com...]

560 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:05:31pm

re: #494 jamesfirecat

Not many people know this, but the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer!

Eva Bruan also said he was a teriffic kisser and that his "cute little mustache" tickled, see? He wasn't all bad even if he did cause the deaths of almost 60,000,000 people.

Sure he had some strange conspiracy theories about Jews and tried really hard to exterminate them, but hey, he wasn't really any more crazy than say Glenn Beck or Pat Robertson right?

/Just to continue the diluting of the meaningfullness of Hitler's crimes. sigh...

561 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:05:56pm

re: #549 albusteve

unemployment going down?...wrong

Wrong.

562 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:06:02pm

re: #542 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, shallow water drilling has been around for a long time. What we are having to do now is going to extremes. The deep water appears to greatly magnify issues.

The largest (unintentional) oil disaster was also drilling in water, in Mexico, but it was in shallow water. The current debacle might end up spilling more oil if it continues.

Risks abound. I highly doubt this will be the last disaster. In this one 11 people lost their lives, and they won't be the last.

563 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:06:17pm

re: #556 Racer X

Sassy!

Image: 0WmQG.jpg

Really cute!

Yes, she owns it.

564 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:06:30pm

re: #546 BryanS

Blown away by the truth? Anger? So what is wrong with the observation that religion is the intractable cause of the Israeli conflict? I'm firmly on the side of supporting the Isrealis, but who can deny their religious factions are an obstacle to resolving the conflict?

There is only side to the 'religious' part of the conflict.

It has always been that way.

565 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:06:35pm

re: #545 Killgore Trout

Pretty well actually. Better than I expected.

you don't count, your....tainted!
haha!
jus kidding....I know you're a fan of the Big Stim, but I don't see where it's been at all effective, other than to 'save' jobs, public, union jobs

566 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:06:43pm

re: #561 Olsonist

Wrong.

GMTA

We also use the exact same data source!

567 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:07:18pm

Mandy: the stinkless dingleberry of LGF.

568 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:07:42pm

re: #533 Stanley Sea

Give me a fucking break. Disloyal? He's the President of the United States.

Remember when it was either you are with us, or against us?

criminy.

Right wing Friday night!

I didn't suggest he was disloyal at all. I was replying to a comment that said he "was not disloyal" and agreed with the statement. I suppose since you do not agree that he has ticked off our allies--just ask the Brits if they feel that way--you can feel free to call that assertion extreme right wing. I know Cameron justg won a plurality of seats, but I doubt the Brits could be called extreme right wing.

569 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:07:50pm

re: #488 Stanley Sea

Yes. Bomb designer, Mars expert sent by Obama to fix oil spill

[Link: preview.bloomberg.com...]

Great. In a couple of years, I'm sure we'll have improved ear thermometers as spin-offs of their efforts.

570 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:08:05pm

re: #565 albusteve

you don't count, your...tainted!
haha!
jus kidding...I know you're a fan of the Big Stim, but I don't see where it's been at all effective, other than to 'save' jobs, public, union jobs

Plenty of links, evidence and facts to be had on this thread.

571 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:08:41pm

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

Stanley, he put that there to make it clear that he agreed with me. I said Obama is not disloyal to make it clear I wasn't falling for some sort of wingnut craziness. He was just agreeing with me.

I'm sorry DF, but it's a strange place to be when people use the Pres. of the US and disloyal in a sentence. Wingerville to me.

572 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:08:42pm

re: #546 BryanS

Blown away by the truth? Anger? So what is wrong with the observation that religion is the intractable cause of the Israeli conflict? I'm firmly on the side of supporting the Isrealis, but who can deny their religious factions are an obstacle to resolving the conflict?

Blown away by vacuity...although it's more of an implosion rather than an explosion. Makes the ears pop...low-pressure stuff.

Really? This is all the progress you've made while mulling over this topic?

573 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:08:56pm

re: #551 palomino

That goes for MOST of what you'll find in the comments sections at AOL, Yahoo, even HuffPo. Not that I'm defending it, just saying.

I agree.

LGF is better than that. No need for personal attacks against someone you perceive to be weaker than you. I would have thought the so called "intellectuals" around here would understand why that is bad form.

574 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:09:31pm

Evening Honcos.

575 avanti  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:09:41pm

re: #549 albusteve

unemployment going down?...wrong

The rate is not going down because folks are now looking for work that were sitting out. We are gaining more jobs every month. Now 28% hiring/20% letting go. The jobs picture is now much better than it was pre stimulus.

jobs.

576 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:09:43pm

re: #561 Olsonist

Wrong.

I thought unemployment went up two tenths to 9.8 last month....no?...I can't read at the moment, so I'll take your word for it

577 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:10:42pm

re: #492 BryanS

I blame religion--on all sides. Think the various parties will agree to turn to atheism if it means the wars stop?

Bwahahahahha!

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

578 Van Helsing  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:11:05pm

re: #565 albusteve

you don't count, your...tainted!
haha!
jus kidding...I know you're a fan of the Big Stim, but I don't see where it's been at all effective, other than to 'save' jobs, public, union jobs

Also helping to prop up states that can't control their spending.

579 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:11:15pm

re: #558 Cato the Elder

Right.

And I would say it to her face, or yours, and add in an extemporaneous scurrilous rhyming skaldic poem about your ancestry to boot. In front of your mother, brothers, friends, concubines, bastard sons, drinking buddies, and all.

Your point being?

I would knock your teeth out.

Is my point.

But you know that. I think you recently experienced that firsthand, did you not?

But by all means, pick on the little woman. Big man.

580 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:11:17pm

re: #564 researchok

There is only side to the 'religious' part of the conflict.

It has always been that way.

Well, the violence definitely seems to come from the Muslim side of the religion problem in the middle east. But the push to build settlements has more to do with claims of divine right than security. Very few in Israel would deny that. In fact divine right is often entirely the justification given for many settlements.

581 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:11:42pm

re: #576 albusteve

I thought unemployment went up two tenths to 9.8 last month...no?...I can't read at the moment, so I'll take your word for it

If it went up it was only because people who had preciously given up all hope of finding a job now think there are jobs out there and so are once more looking for work, thus once more get counted in the "unemployment" numbers.

Its a "good"(sort of) sign when unemployment goes up for that reason, it means people are regaining faith in the economy.

582 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:12:01pm

re: #568 BryanS

I didn't suggest he was disloyal at all. I was replying to a comment that said he "was not disloyal" and agreed with the statement. I suppose since you do not agree that he has ticked off our allies--just ask the Brits if they feel that way--you can feel free to call that assertion extreme right wing. I know Cameron justg won a plurality of seats, but I doubt the Brits could be called extreme right wing.

Sorry, I missed DF's original comments.

The rest of your post, yeah.

583 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:12:20pm

re: #571 Stanley Sea

I'm sorry DF, but it's a strange place to be when people use the Pres. of the US and disloyal in a sentence. Wingerville to me.

Understood. Just bear in mind that BryanS and I were trying to make clear that we are not wingnuts. It's all good, but ease up a little on your trigger finger.

584 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:12:59pm

Hi everyone.

585 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:13:17pm

re: #564 researchok

There is only side to the 'religious' part of the conflict.

It has always been that way.


I disagree. Zionism at heart is a religiously based concept. Now, it might be one you agree with, and most of us here might agree that the UN (which many of you apparently despise) was correct to establish the modern state of Israel post WWII, yet without a doubt Zionism is at heart based on religion in several ways. Even atheistic Jews would have to accept that the historical religion is the basis for several decisions in founding the modern state.

586 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:13:51pm

re: #584 Jadespring

Hi Back!

587 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:13:54pm

re: #579 Racer X

Hey, "little women" can defend themselves you know.

588 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:14:01pm

re: #507 Cato the Elder

What?

Indeed.

Atheism will save the wurld!

Like organic farming.

And organic toilets.

589 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:15:01pm

re: #572 Aceofwhat?

Blown away by vacuity...although it's more of an implosion rather than an explosion. Makes the ears pop...low-pressure stuff.

Really? This is all the progress you've made while mulling over this topic?

Ironic choice of words--calling my post vacuous.

590 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:15:14pm

re: #583 Dark_Falcon

Understood. Just bear in mind that BryanS and I were trying to make clear that we are not wingnuts. It's all good, but ease up a little on your trigger finger.

heh

591 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:15:40pm

re: #581 jamesfirecat

If it went up it was only because people who had preciously given up all hope of finding a job now think there are jobs out there and so are once more looking for work, thus once more get counted in the "unemployment" numbers.

Its a "good"(sort of) sign when unemployment goes up for that reason, it means people are regaining faith in the economy.

if so I retract my assertion, but my attitude still stinks in that the givt got us into this mess and has to spend a trillion to get us out of it....whether it's an effective strategy remains to be seen...where has the money gone?

592 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:15:49pm

re: #510 MandyManners

Oh, good gravy.

Real men don't shave. It's amazing what you can learn here.

593 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:17:01pm

re: #580 BryanS

Well, the violence definitely seems to come from the Muslim side of the religion problem in the middle east. But the push to build settlements has more to do with claims of divine right than security. Very few in Israel would deny that. In fact divine right is often entirely the justification given for many settlements.

That is factually incorrect. Settlement building has to do with one thing only- economics.

Housing costs in the territories are lower than in Israel proper. The settlement program began in earnest when it became clear neither the Palestinians or Arab world actually wanted to make peace with Israel.

Have you ever wondered why there were never any demonstrations against the building of the now infamous settlements? Can you imagine the PR value of a hundred little school girls, sitting in the road and blocking a bulldozer? The reason for the marked lack of protest against settlement building in the West Bank is because PA- and now Hamas ministers own the construction companies that build those settlements. It’s been going on for years and only recently, has the matter been discussed in the Arab press. Sadly, ‘Cementgate,’ as the story was called is no longer on the Arab press agenda. Israeli settlements are being built by Palestinian companies, owned by PA ministers and big wigs. That is another reason the Palestinian at the top are in no rush for a peace deal- the Israelis pay. Arab nations that promise money do not. Besides, other Arabs might make unreasonable demands- such as accountability and transparency.

Further, when it comes to money and aid to the Palestinians, the words of Charles De Gaulle come to mind- "We shall stun them with our ingratitude".

Time for everyone to deal with reality.

594 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:17:08pm

re: #587 Stanley Sea

Hey, "little women" can defend themselves you know.

Rarrr.

595 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:17:18pm

re: #546 BryanS

Blown away by the truth? Anger? So what is wrong with the observation that religion is the intractable cause of the Israeli conflict? I'm firmly on the side of supporting the Isrealis, but who can deny their religious factions are an obstacle to resolving the conflict?

I will respectfully disagree. It's about land, tribes, gold, and, in the end, water. Middle East religions were created to justify the righteousness of the tribes to the acquisition thereof. Until Islam was created (by men) the tribes of the peninsula had no rallying cry around which to expand their access to land, water, and gold (You can also call gold trade goods. It means the same thing.). Once it caught hold, Shazaam! It's a miracle of Allah! They had the strongest batch of berserkers in the region and they kicked ass.

596 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:17:43pm

re: #585 freetoken

I disagree. Zionism at heart is a religiously based concept. Now, it might be one you agree with, and most of us here might agree that the UN (which many of you apparently despise) was correct to establish the modern state of Israel post WWII, yet without a doubt Zionism is at heart based on religion in several ways. Even atheistic Jews would have to accept that the historical religion is the basis for several decisions in founding the modern state.

He did not say there was more than one religion. He said that Zionism is not the source of the conflict.

597 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:17:51pm

re: #584 Jadespring

Hi everyone.

SHUT UP.

598 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:18:18pm

re: #597 MandyManners

SHUT UP.

Mandy?

599 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:18:23pm

re: #587 Stanley Sea

Hey, "little women" can defend themselves you know.

Yep.

I like Mandy. Others do too. I like Cato. He can bash on me if he wants, not a big deal. The constant personal attacks on Mandy are uncalled for. She is sensitive under that persona. I'll stick up for her all day long.

600 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:18:58pm

re: #592 ryannon

Real men don't shave. It's amazing what you can learn here.

The Kid is my teacher.

601 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:19:08pm

re: #591 albusteve

if so I retract my assertion, but my attitude still stinks in that the givt got us into this mess and has to spend a trillion to get us out of it...whether it's an effective strategy remains to be seen...where has the money gone?

The "government that got us into this mess" was George W. Bushes.

The one that is getting us out if its Obamas.

I feel you do our current president a bad turn if you say they are one and the same.

602 MandyManners  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:19:29pm

re: #598 prairiefire

Mandy?

How are you?

603 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:19:42pm

re: #585 freetoken

I disagree. Zionism at heart is a religiously based concept. Now, it might be one you agree with, and most of us here might agree that the UN (which many of you apparently despise) was correct to establish the modern state of Israel post WWII, yet without a doubt Zionism is at heart based on religion in several ways. Even atheistic Jews would have to accept that the historical religion is the basis for several decisions in founding the modern state.

Not true.

See the SC&A Idiot's Guide to Zionism.

604 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:20:50pm

crazy person and a war criminal run for office, palin pledges support


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

605 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:20:56pm

re: #593 researchok

i'm going out. but you could do this in your sleep...you don't need my help.

laters-

606 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:21:01pm

Another Roman Polanski victim comes forward...

New Accuser Alleges Sexual Abuse by Roman Polanski

Four years after he fled the United States in 1978 after pleading guilty to unlawful sex with a minor, Roman Polanski "forced himself" on another woman, then 16, in his Paris apartment, the woman alleged Friday.

Charlotte Lewis of London, who appeared in Polanski's 1986 film Pirates, made the allegation in a press conference held at her attorney Gloria Allred's Los Angeles office. Allred described Polanski's alleged behavior as "sexually predatory conduct."

"[Polanski] sexually abused me in the worst possible way when I was just 16," said Lewis, who remained composed while reading a prepared statement. "He knew [how old I was] when he met me and forced himself upon me in his apartment in Paris. He took advantage of me and I have lived with the effects of his behavior ever since it occurred. I've traveled to the U.S. at my own expense to make sure that justice is finally done and that Mr. Polanski gets what he deserves. All I want is justice."

607 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:21:22pm

re: #599 Racer X

Yep.

I like Mandy. Others do too. I like Cato. He can bash on me if he wants, not a big deal. The constant personal attacks on Mandy are uncalled for. She is sensitive under that persona. I'll stick up for her all day long.

She is a lady conservative single mom. Did I say she was conservative? Oh yeah, she is a conservative. So when she expresses conservative opinions, it is because she is a conservative.

608 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:21:25pm

Deafness cure breakthrough as scientists create tiny ear hairs from stem cells

A cure for deafness could be on the horizon after scientists created specialised ear cells in the lab. Grown in their thousands, the delicate hairs could one day be transplanted into the inner ear, restoring hearing to millions. The breakthrough comes after ten years of painstaking research.

609 erraticsphinx  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:21:53pm

re: #593 researchok

There are plenty of religious-who-could-care-less-about-the-economics settlers, let's not kid ourselves. They have been particularly active recently, with people like Marzel and Ben Ari in the Knesset.

610 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:21:58pm

re: #597 MandyManners

SHUT UP.

Um.. what did I do?

611 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:22:13pm

re: #602 MandyManners

I'm good. Any phone calls from Mr. drive you home?

612 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:22:25pm

re: #585 freetoken

I disagree. Zionism at heart is a religiously based concept. Now, it might be one you agree with, and most of us here might agree that the UN (which many of you apparently despise) was correct to establish the modern state of Israel post WWII, yet without a doubt Zionism is at heart based on religion in several ways. Even atheistic Jews would have to accept that the historical religion is the basis for several decisions in founding the modern state.

I would be more inclined to agree with some of what you imply if you meant Jewish culture as opposed to religion was the primary impetus for Zionist expression.

613 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:22:53pm

re: #610 Jadespring

Um.. what did I do?

We're fighting. Quick - call me a name.

614 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:23:18pm

re: #613 Racer X

We're fighting. Quick - call me a name.

Okay ,,,"a name" !!

615 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:23:20pm

re: #584 Jadespring

Hi everyone.

Hey, I think the bunny got blocked.

616 erraticsphinx  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:23:32pm

re: #609 erraticsphinx

Correction, Marzel is Ben Ari's aide, he's not actually in the parliament.

617 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:23:33pm

re: #608 Racer X

Deafness cure breakthrough as scientists create tiny ear hairs from stem cells

A cure for deafness could be on the horizon after scientists created specialised ear cells in the lab. Grown in their thousands, the delicate hairs could one day be transplanted into the inner ear, restoring hearing to millions. The breakthrough comes after ten years of painstaking research.

We'll still need to do it soon after they've become death.

Otherwise the mind proceeds to start using those portions of the brain for other things.

Kids need to get cochlear implants, preferably before they hit double digits age wise, this will be no different.

And in doing so for better or worse we may be wiping out deaf culture....

618 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:23:34pm

re: #609 erraticsphinx

There are plenty of religious-who-could-care-less-about-the-economics settlers, let's not kid ourselves. They have been particularly active recently, with people like Marzel and Ben Ari in the Knesset.

Of course- but that is not what drives Israeli government policy. In fact, the Israelis have already proved many times they will give up land in exchange for peace.

619 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:23:44pm

re: #608 Racer X

Deafness cure breakthrough as scientists create tiny ear hairs from stem cells

A cure for deafness could be on the horizon after scientists created specialised ear cells in the lab. Grown in their thousands, the delicate hairs could one day be transplanted into the inner ear, restoring hearing to millions. The breakthrough comes after ten years of painstaking research.

Hey, Rush? Did you hear about that?

Oh, wait...

620 erraticsphinx  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:24:18pm

re: #618 researchok

True.

621 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:24:27pm

re: #593 researchok

That is factually incorrect. Settlement building has to do with one thing only- economics.Housing costs in the territories are lower than in Israel proper. The settlement program began in earnest when it became clear neither the Palestinians or Arab world actually wanted to make peace with Israel.

Have you ever wondered why there were never any demonstrations against the building of the now infamous settlements? Can you imagine the PR value of a hundred little school girls, sitting in the road and blocking a bulldozer? The reason for the marked lack of protest against settlement building in the West Bank is because PA- and now Hamas ministers own the construction companies that build those settlements. It’s been going on for years and only recently, has the matter been discussed in the Arab press. Sadly, ‘Cementgate,’ as the story was called is no longer on the Arab press agenda. Israeli settlements are being built by Palestinian companies, owned by PA ministers and big wigs. That is another reason the Palestinian at the top are in no rush for a peace deal- the Israelis pay. Arab nations that promise money do not. Besides, other Arabs might make unreasonable demands- such as accountability and transparency.

Further, when it comes to money and aid to the Palestinians, the words of Charles De Gaulle come to mind- "We shall stun them with our ingratitude".

Time for everyone to deal with reality.

Balderdash. The idea that the settlements are built for economic reasons is utterly implausible. You have the temerity to suggest that this is some kind of economic aid to the Palestinians? Come on. Many settlements are unsustainable without massive government subsidies. They are built at great cost tot he Israelis.

622 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:25:03pm

re: #615 prairiefire

Hey, I think the bunny got blocked.

Yeah. I was still on when they did. Can't say I'm unhappy about it, considering.

623 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:25:25pm

re: #601 jamesfirecat

The "government that got us into this mess" was George W. Bushes.

The one that is getting us out if its Obamas.

I feel you do our current president a bad turn if you say they are one and the same.

I didn't...I have no love for GWB, altho he and McCain both tried to deal with FM/FM....they and others knew it was a time bomb ready to explode....htat problem can be laid square at the feet of Schumer, BO, and B Frank and others...my disdain fir the feds crosses party lines

624 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:25:29pm

re: #613 Racer X

We're fighting. Quick - call me a name.

Blockhead.

625 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:26:12pm

re: #622 Jadespring

Yeah. I was still on when they did. Can't say I'm unhappy about it, considering.

jamesfirecat talked me into my first downding today. Was worth it.

626 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:26:30pm

Meathead!

627 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:26:56pm

re: #613 Racer X

We're fighting. Quick - call me a name.

Well you sir are a fastishio, see I can make up words too!

628 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:27:24pm

re: #595 austin_blue

I will respectfully disagree. It's about land, tribes, gold, and, in the end, water. Middle East religions were created to justify the righteousness of the tribes to the acquisition thereof. Until Islam was created (by men) the tribes of the peninsula had no rallying cry around which to expand their access to land, water, and gold (You can also call gold trade goods. It means the same thing.). Once it caught hold, Shazaam! It's a miracle of Allah! They had the strongest batch of berserkers in the region and they kicked ass.

Your "creation of religion" theory seems plausible :0

Only problem is many times settlements are built with affordable subsidies bt the Israeli government. There are some cases where the claim can be made that the expansion would claim territory that if retained would make the borders more defensible. But when Israelis give back land, they usually give up the excesses that had nothing to do with security.

629 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:27:39pm

re: #604 SpaceJesus

crazy person and a war criminal run for office, palin pledges support

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Pantano's conviction was overturned. He is not a war criminal in my eyes. Unless a Marine is proven to have acted wrongly, I assume that what they say about an incident is true.

630 palomino  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:27:40pm

re: #573 Racer X

I agree.

LGF is better than that. No need for personal attacks against someone you perceive to be weaker than you. I would have thought the so called "intellectuals" around here would understand why that is bad form.

Totally agree. Aside from the occasional dingleberry slur, this is one of the most civilized places to discuss news and politics I've ever come across.

631 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:28:00pm

re: #621 BryanS

Balderdash. The idea that the settlements are built for economic reasons is utterly implausible. You have the temerity to suggest that this is some kind of economic aid to the Palestinians? Come on. Many settlements are unsustainable without massive government subsidies. They are built at great cost tot he Israelis.

No temerity- I'm stating fact. Substantive settlement building began decades after 67.

Further, you did not read what I wrote. What I described is well documented corruption of successive Palestinian regimes and teh companies who build the settlements.

My quote about aid was outside that assertion- but true nonetheless.

632 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:28:06pm

re: #625 Cannadian Club Akbar

jamesfirecat talked me into my first downding today. Was worth it.

Yeah I see it was deleted but not before 40 downdings! It made me smile when I saw that so thanks. :)

633 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:28:14pm

re: #625 Cannadian Club Akbar

jamesfirecat talked me into my first downding today. Was worth it.

Hey any man with a college student's sense of tact and love for dishing out internet style justice, would have done the same. What he said amounted to "you asked for it" its just a shame the comment got pulled before we could pound it three digits into the red.

634 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:28:34pm

re: #626 prairiefire

Meathead!

I don't see Rob Reiner around here anywhere. :D

635 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:28:42pm

re: #608 Racer X

Deafness cure breakthrough as scientists create tiny ear hairs from stem cells

A cure for deafness could be on the horizon after scientists created specialised ear cells in the lab. Grown in their thousands, the delicate hairs could one day be transplanted into the inner ear, restoring hearing to millions. The breakthrough comes after ten years of painstaking research.

Cool.

636 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:29:45pm

re: #630 palomino

Totally agree. Aside from the occasional dingleberry slur, this is one of the most civilized places to discuss news and politics I've ever come across.

and to chatter and gossip about logged off posters...pretty uncivilized imo

637 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:29:55pm

re: #579 Racer X

I would knock your teeth out.

Is my point.

But you know that. I think you recently experienced that firsthand, did you not?

But by all means, pick on the little woman. Big man.

Pick on her? I barely know her.

I'll be happy to pick your bones, anytime.

638 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:30:46pm

re: #592 ryannon

Real men don't shave. It's amazing what you can learn here.

Real men scrape their skin off with swords.

639 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:31:31pm

re: #637 Cato the Elder


I'll be happy to pick your bones, anytime.

in bed

640 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:31:40pm

re: #599 Racer X

Yep.

I like Mandy. Others do too. I like Cato. He can bash on me if he wants, not a big deal. The constant personal attacks on Mandy are uncalled for. She is sensitive under that persona. I'll stick up for her all day long.

Such a bold true kniggit you are.

641 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:31:53pm

re: #567 Cato the Elder

Mandy: the stinkless dingleberry of LGF.

Your utter obsession has gone well beyond objection or argument to any specific post and simply become stalking and bullying. Fine you don't like her, you don't like what she says, but what gives you the right to hound her until you (apparently hopefully) drive her off this site?

Seriously Cato, why?

Besides which why should I respect your attempt to bully another member here and to make them shut them up simply because you happen to disagree with their political view?

If you have a problem with Mandy then address the contents of the post and refute them. You'll look intelligent instead of looking like a slimy scumbag who is trying to force anyone who will not bow to your personal views off of the site. :p

642 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:32:13pm

re: #628 BryanS

Your "creation of religion" theory seems plausible :0

Only problem is many times settlements are built with affordable subsidies bt the Israeli government. There are some cases where the claim can be made that the expansion would claim territory that if retained would make the borders more defensible. But when Israelis give back land, they usually give up the excesses that had nothing to do with security.

Right. Giving up the Gaza Strip made Israelis much safer. Like giving up the buffer zone in Lebanon.

643 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:32:33pm

re: #610 Jadespring

Um.. what did I do?

You dared to contradict the Manticore.

644 BlackFedora  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:33:03pm

Wow. People don't read the documents they get outraged over.....

I'm having flashbacks to a few months ago when a paper Cass Sunstein wrote about conspiracy theories surfaced in wingnut land. Sunstein was writing about conspiracy theories and how government might respond to them and there were cries about how Sunstein was advocating jailing 9/11 Truthers, birthers, End the Fedders. I tracked down the paper and after I woke up from the coma.. I didn't remember reading any such thing.

Basically I find myself not too credulous toward the idea that these folks are dutifully pouring over someone's academic paper with their reading classes on and thinking about it before they open someone's mouth.

The outrage over this will be to the dishonest Cliff's Notes version of the paper and in essence it will become truth to these folks sadly.

645 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:34:15pm

re: #640 Cato the Elder

Such a bold true kniggit you are.

I demand a sacrifice!

Youtube Video
646 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:34:41pm

re: #642 researchok

Right. Giving up the Gaza Strip made Israelis much safer. Like giving up the buffer zone in Lebanon.

Actually, taking the Gaza Strip from the Egyptians didn't make Israel safer.

647 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:35:51pm

re: #646 Olsonist

Actually, taking the Gaza Strip from the Egyptians didn't make Israel safer.

smartly, the Egyptians didn't want it back either

648 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:36:30pm

re: #638 Cato the Elder

Real men scrape their skin off with swords.

And eschew toilet paper.

649 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:36:33pm

Better.

Youtube Video
650 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:36:41pm

re: #643 Cato the Elder

You dared to contradict the Manticore.

In what way is Mandy a monster, Cato? Please answer, as always I will not denigrate or downding your reply.

651 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:37:35pm

re: #623 albusteve

I didn't...I have no love for GWB, altho he and McCain both tried to deal with FM/FM...they and others knew it was a time bomb ready to explode...htat problem can be laid square at the feet of Schumer, BO, and B Frank and others...my disdain fir the feds crosses party lines

Really? Really!?!?!

The problem started when the banks were deregulated (in large part by the machinations of Phil Gramm) and allowed, because of the removal of regulatory oversight funding during Bush II, to repackage subprime mortgages, pushed by the Dems, and turn them into "Derivatives" that were rated as Triple A investments (for a price) and sold all over the world. The Dems wanted to do good for lower-middle income people. Dems are naive that way. I'm sure it didn't occur to them that certain lending organizations would go out and troll for bottom feeders and sell them mortgages without any type of risk management and then sell them to banks. Who created the derivatives. It was worse than a Ponzi scheme. It was outright fraud. Otherwise, why would the banks sell them, then short them?

That's a big ol' QED.

Put the fuckers in jail.

652 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:37:46pm

re: #646 Olsonist

Actually, taking the Gaza Strip from the Egyptians didn't make Israel safer.

When did Israel take it?

653 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:38:15pm

re: #607 prairiefire

re: #648 ryannon

Good morning, ryannon.

654 Olsonist  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:38:27pm

re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar

1967.

655 BlackFedora  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:38:31pm

And to put the idiot icing on the crazy cake, Erickson posted Kagan’s thesis illegally, violating its copyright, and Princeton sent Redstate.com a letter demanding that it be taken down.

Awesome. Now they are going to claim that copyright law is being used to silence their brave muck racking...

656 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:38:41pm

re: #642 researchok

Right. Giving up the Gaza Strip made Israelis much safer. Like giving up the buffer zone in Lebanon.

Their hold on those territories was untenable. So yes, they are safer fighting an external enemy than holding onto territory they couldn't afford to hold onto. Unless the Israelis assume they are going to forcibly remove or obliterate the Arabs living on the lands of the biblical zenith of Israel, holding onto those territories would make Jews a minority in their own country. Letting go of The strip and buffer zone was made by Sharon--no slouch in the hawk department. This was a rational calculation made in the interest of the Israeli nation, not some overture to a peace process.

657 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:38:47pm

re: #646 Olsonist

Actually, taking the Gaza Strip from the Egyptians didn't make Israel safer.

They didn't have a choice but to take it, though. Given the threat Egypt had built up in the Sinai, Israel had to act. Such an action necessarily entailed destroying the Egyptian 50th (Palestinian) Division in Gaza and occupying the strip.

658 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:38:55pm

re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar

When did Israel take it?

1967, in the 6 Day War.

659 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:39:00pm

re: #654 Olsonist

1967.

Israel went on the offensive?

660 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:39:08pm

Russia to sell Syria warplanes, air defense systems

Russia has signed deals to sell Syria warplanes, anti-tank weapons and air defense systems, a senior Russian arms trader said on Friday, prompting an outcry from Syria's foe Israel.

Mikhail Dmitriyev, head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, said Russia would supply Syria with MiG-29 fighters, truck-mounted Pantsir short-range surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft artillery systems.

He said Russia would also supply Damascus with anti-tank weapons but did not specify their type.

Syria's regional foe Israel reacted angrily to the deal but called into question the solvency of Damascus.

"Syria at the present time cannot afford to pay for this sophisticated weaponry, indeed, it has hardly enough money to buy food for its citizens. One can only wonder what is the real reason behind this dubious deal," said an Israeli government official in Jerusalem who declined to be named.

Israel's close ally the United States imposed sanctions on Syria for its support of militant groups and corruption.

Earlier this week, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev visited Syria -- the first visit to Damascus by a Moscow ruler since the 1917 Bolshevik revolution -- and oversaw talks on Russia's possible assistance in building a nuclear power plant in Syria.

661 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:39:25pm

re: #646 Olsonist

Actually, taking the Gaza Strip from the Egyptians didn't make Israel safer.

It did, for a long time.

It was only when Oslo came along and Palestinians were provided with weapons things changed for the worse.

Whatever infrastructure there is in Gaza came from the Israelis- schools, hospitals, electricty, sanitation, etc.

From the moment the Israelis left, things started falling apart. Why? Because rather than have a state, the Palestinians seems to have decided on other 'priorities'.

662 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:40:21pm

re: #660 NJDhockeyfan

Russia to sell Syria warplanes, air defense systems

Fucking Capitalist Bastards!

663 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:40:57pm

re: #660 NJDhockeyfan

Russia to sell Syria warplanes, air defense systems

Yet another reasons the Russians suck and are not to be trusted.

664 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:41:02pm

re: #628 BryanS

Your "creation of religion" theory seems plausible :0

Only problem is many times settlements are built with affordable subsidies bt the Israeli government. There are some cases where the claim can be made that the expansion would claim territory that if retained would make the borders more defensible. But when Israelis give back land, they usually give up the excesses that had nothing to do with security.

I'll pass on that argument. i think the settlements are all about water supplies, but that's my take and I'm done with that subject. Too emotional.

Like we say in Texas, "Whiskey's for drinkin', waters for fightin'."

665 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:41:48pm

re: #653 prairiefire

re: #648 ryannon

Good morning, ryannon.

Good evening, America!

666 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:42:10pm

re: #656 BryanS

Their hold on those territories was untenable. So yes, they are safer fighting an external enemy than holding onto territory they couldn't afford to hold onto. Unless the Israelis assume they are going to forcibly remove or obliterate the Arabs living on the lands of the biblical zenith of Israel, holding onto those territories would make Jews a minority in their own country. Letting go of The strip and buffer zone was made by Sharon--no slouch in the hawk department. This was a rational calculation made in the interest of the Israeli nation, not some overture to a peace process.

Maybe the Lebanese situation was untenable but Gaza was not.

Israel provided Gaza an economy and infrastructure, as I noted above. The Israelis left because they were promised peace.

All in all, things will work out. If Hamas decides violence is their choice, the Israelis will respond accordingly.

667 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:42:12pm

In all my years of blogging I have never met the equal of the scurvy, poxy, coal-quay doxie who calls herself Mandy.

She changed her poxy doxie avatar from one that pissed on the Name of God to one that celebrates torture.

Downding all you like, O brothers of the Hypocritical Oath.

I spit upon her shoes.

668 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:42:28pm

re: #662 Racer X

Fucking Capitalist Bastards!

Nothing to do with capitalism--more to do with what Putin and his puppet Medvedev claim is the need for the US to adjust to a multipolar world.

669 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:42:57pm

O'Reilly to Beck: "What is the conspiracy of the day?"

Heh.

670 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:43:02pm

re: #659 Cannadian Club Akbar

Israel went on the offensive?

Oy.

671 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:43:27pm

re: #667 Cato the Elder

In all my years of blogging I have never met the equal of the scurvy, poxy, coal-quay doxie who calls herself Mandy.

She changed her poxy doxie avatar from one that pissed on the Name of God to one that celebrates torture.

Downding all you like, O brothers of the Hypocritical Oath.

I spit upon her shoes.

Try to be nice
try to be civil
If nothing else
stop with the drivel!

672 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:43:29pm

re: #664 austin_blue

I'll pass on that argument. i think the settlements are all about water supplies, but that's my take and I'm done with that subject. Too emotional.

Like we say in Texas, "Whiskey's for drinkin', waters for fightin'."

Water rights are a serious problem.

673 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:43:41pm

Okay anyone got anything funny? I need some serious cheering up!

Had rough day dealing with problems with my sister. I was on the phone at 830 in the morning and didn't get off until 6:30. I ended up not even eating and was still in my PJs.

674 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:44:19pm

re: #673 Jadespring

Okay anyone got anything funny? I need some serious cheering up!

Had rough day dealing with problems with my sister. I was on the phone at 830 in the morning and didn't get off until 6:30. I ended up not even eating and was still in my PJs.

C'Mon over ,, I have ice cream!

675 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:44:34pm

re: #673 Jadespring

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

676 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:44:48pm

re: #667 Cato the Elder

Are you drunk?

677 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:44:58pm

re: #673 Jadespring

Okay anyone got anything funny? I need some serious cheering up!

Had rough day dealing with problems with my sister. I was on the phone at 830 in the morning and didn't get off until 6:30. I ended up not even eating and was still in my PJs.

How about a funny site used for revenge on your enemies?

678 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:45:07pm

re: #656 BryanS

Their hold on those territories was untenable. So yes, they are safer fighting an external enemy than holding onto territory they couldn't afford to hold onto. Unless the Israelis assume they are going to forcibly remove or obliterate the Arabs living on the lands of the biblical zenith of Israel, holding onto those territories would make Jews a minority in their own country. Letting go of The strip and buffer zone was made by Sharon--no slouch in the hawk department. This was a rational calculation made in the interest of the Israeli nation, not some overture to a peace process.

re: #666 researchok

Maybe the Lebanese situation was untenable but Gaza was not.

Israel provided Gaza an economy and infrastructure, as I noted above. The Israelis left because they were promised peace.

All in all, things will work out. If Hamas decides violence is their choice, the Israelis will respond accordingly.

I haven't followed from where this convo started, but you're all just talking about Gaza, not Jerusalem, yes?

679 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:45:18pm

re: #676 prairiefire

Are you drunk?

Unfortunately,, no

he's just being ,, well ,, CATO!

680 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:45:21pm

re: #666 researchok

Maybe the Lebanese situation was untenable but Gaza was not.

Israel provided Gaza an economy and infrastructure, as I noted above. The Israelis left because they were promised peace.

All in all, things will work out. If Hamas decides violence is their choice, the Israelis will respond accordingly.

Isreal and Egypt seem to have some common ground on Gaza, of all things. Politics in the middle east makes strange bedfellows indeed.

681 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:45:23pm

re: #659 Cannadian Club Akbar

Israel went on the offensive?

The best defence is a good offence.

682 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:45:48pm

re: #659 Cannadian Club Akbar

Israel went on the offensive?

Uh, there are all kinda books on this. Just sayin.

683 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:45:55pm

re: #673 Jadespring

Okay anyone got anything funny? I need some serious cheering up!

Had rough day dealing with problems with my sister. I was on the phone at 830 in the morning and didn't get off until 6:30. I ended up not even eating and was still in my PJs.

how do you circumcise a sperm whale? Foreskin divers!!

684 Van Helsing  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:46:23pm

re: #651 austin_blue

Barney on Fannie

I agree. Put the f***ers in jail.

685 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:46:35pm

re: #673 Jadespring

Okay anyone got anything funny? I need some serious cheering up!

Had rough day dealing with problems with my sister. I was on the phone at 830 in the morning and didn't get off until 6:30. I ended up not even eating and was still in my PJs.

A priest, a rabbi and a zebra walk into a bar....

686 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:47:07pm

re: #667 Cato the Elder

Congratualations pathetic Cato, you have managed to soil an enjoyable thread with your psychotic drool.

687 mich-again  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:47:10pm

re: #651 austin_blue

The Dems wanted to do good for lower-middle income people. Dems are naive that way.


If by naive you mean willfully ignorant for political purposes.

688 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:47:10pm

re: #680 BryanS

Isreal and Egypt seem to have some common ground on Gaza, of all things. Politics in the middle east makes strange bedfellows indeed.

Ain't that the truth.

689 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:47:11pm

re: #643 Cato the Elder

You dared to contradict the Manticore.

Cato, I don't think I've ever popped you before, but you really need to go to bed and let it go. I agree that Mandy has a status here that allows her to get away with stuff that would be posts to newer Lizards, but just make like a duck and let it wash over you.

Really. Life's a long song. I value your voice.

690 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:47:16pm

re: #685 ryannon

A priest, a rabbi and a zebra walk into a bar...

Where's the midget?

691 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:47:32pm

re: #682 bratwurst

Uh, there are all kinda books on this. Just sayin.

There isn't one in front of me. Did Israel steal Gaza?

692 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:48:09pm

re: #678 marjoriemoon

I haven't followed from where this convo started, but you're all just talking about Gaza, not Jerusalem, yes?

Jerusalem is a different matter, but we were talking in general about the effects of religion on the peace process. I was claiming it was a problem on all sides.

Jeruselam is a pickle both because the religious importance of the city makes compromise nearly impossible, and the security implications are equally challenging.

693 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:48:30pm

re: #690 NJDhockeyfan

Where's the midget Vertically Challenged Person?


tsk tsk ,, PC, you know!

694 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:48:44pm

re: #674 sattv4u2

re: #675 Racer X

re: #677 NJDhockeyfan

Okay I'm smiling now!

695 albusteve  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:48:49pm

re: #651 austin_blue

Really? Really!?!?!

The problem started when the banks were deregulated (in large part by the machinations of Phil Gramm) and allowed, because of the removal of regulatory oversight funding during Bush II, to repackage subprime mortgages, pushed by the Dems, and turn them into "Derivatives" that were rated as Triple A investments (for a price) and sold all over the world. The Dems wanted to do good for lower-middle income people. Dems are naive that way. I'm sure it didn't occur to them that certain lending organizations would go out and troll for bottom feeders and sell them mortgages without any type of risk management and then sell them to banks. Who created the derivatives. It was worse than a Ponzi scheme. It was outright fraud. Otherwise, why would the banks sell them, then short them?

That's a big ol' QED.

Put the fuckers in jail.

agreed...you know more about it than I do, but clearly certain individuals are responsible for this clusterfuck and I really don't give a damn what party they supposedly represent....but it was Clinton's dream that fell apart and once again the taxpayers are getting hammered for federal cavalier rules/regs/legislation....all about votes, getting them and using them for an agenda that is a false reality

696 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:49:39pm

re: #694 Jadespring

re: #675 Racer X

re: #677 NJDhockeyfan

Okay I'm smiling now!

You might be smiling, but if you don't hurry there won't be any ice cream left!

697 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:49:50pm

re: #678 marjoriemoon

I haven't followed from where this convo started, but you're all just talking about Gaza, not Jerusalem, yes?

Both. We're all over the map.

Started with a discussion on Zionism.

I referred him to this.

698 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:50:01pm

re: #680 BryanS

Isreal and Egypt seem to have some common ground on Gaza, of all things. Politics in the middle east makes strange bedfellows indeed.

The Philadelphi corridor, between Gaza and Egypt has always been a problem for both governments because the smuggling goes through there. U.S. monitors should be at the site, but they're not, unless that's changed recently.

699 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:50:28pm

re: #691 Cannadian Club Akbar

There isn't one in front of me. Did Israel steal Gaza?


You really aren't familiar with the Six Day War? You could start educating yourself by reading DF's post to you above.

700 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:50:38pm

re: #696 sattv4u2

You might be smiling, but if you don't hurry there won't be any ice cream left!

My helicopter is on it's way!

701 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:51:08pm

re: #593 researchok

That is factually incorrect. Settlement building has to do with one thing only- economics.


Hmmmm.....

Netanyahu turns to Bible in tussle over Jerusalem

Beset by questions about Jerusalem's future in talks with the Palestinians, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reached for the Bible on Wednesday to stake out the Jewish state's contested claim on the city.
702 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:51:19pm

Accused prep hoops impostor faces sex charge


ODESSA, Texas - A 22-year-old man accused of posing as a high school basketball star in West Texas was charged with sexual assault Friday after an underage girl reported having sex with him last summer when she thought he was a teenager, police said.

Guerdwich Montimer was arrested for the third time in four days, this time after a 16-year-old girl in Odessa told police and school district officials she had sex with him at a home in August when she thought he was 15-year-old Jerry Joseph, said Odessa police Cpl. Sherrie Carruth.

Officials said Montimer enrolled at a junior high school and later at Permian High School last year with a fake birth certificate from Haiti. Suspicions were raised recently after coaches at an amateur basketball tournament said they recognized Joseph as Montimer, a 2007 graduate of a Florida high school and a naturalized U.S. citizen from Haiti.

Montimer was being held in jail Friday on a $50,000 bond, according to a court affidavit released Friday.

703 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:51:20pm

re: #692 BryanS

Jerusalem is a different matter, but we were talking in general about the effects of religion on the peace process. I was claiming it was a problem on all sides.

Jeruselam is a pickle both because the religious importance of the city makes compromise nearly impossible, and the security implications are equally challenging.

Ah ok... talk about Israel usually leads to land rights at some point!

704 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:51:32pm

re: #700 Jadespring

My helicopter is on it's way!

What good is it if you're not in it !?!?!

AND ,,, have it stop at the market and get more ice cream!

705 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:51:53pm

re: #692 BryanS

Jerusalem is a different matter, but we were talking in general about the effects of religion on the peace process. I was claiming it was a problem on all sides.

Jeruselam is a pickle both because the religious importance of the city makes compromise nearly impossible, and the security implications are equally challenging.

FYI, see this too.

There is no moral equivalence here. To pretend there is will only prolong the problem.

706 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:52:20pm

re: #695 albusteve

agreed...you know more about it than I do, but clearly certain individuals are responsible for this clusterfuck and I really don't give a damn what party they supposedly represent...but it was Clinton's dream that fell apart and once again the taxpayers are getting hammered for federal cavalier rules/regs/legislation...all about votes, getting them and using them for an agenda that is a false reality

I see it bottom line. People found a way to make money and they did it. They didn't care about the implications etc. They made bank.

707 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:52:37pm

re: #672 BryanS

Water rights are a serious problem.

Given the growing populations, it will be the *proximal* problem.

708 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:52:43pm

re: #697 researchok

Both. We're all over the map.

Started with a discussion on Zionism.

I referred him to this.

Oh yea, did you post that before? I remember seeing it. I'll have to read it.

709 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:52:48pm

re: #673 Jadespring

Alice in Wonderland always cheers me up. This is a PBS broadcast, with Richard Burton's daughter Kate as Alice & a really GREAT cast.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

710 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:53:12pm

re: #701 freetoken

I saw that. He was making a speech. He was posturing.

We all know how this will end, re Jerusalem.

It will be a shared capital.

711 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:53:18pm

re: #702 NJDhockeyfan

Accused prep hoops impostor faces sex charge

I saw the last word in that headline as "change" which lead to some very interesting ideas in my head about what exactly the story would be about.

712 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:54:04pm

re: #691 Cannadian Club Akbar

There isn't one in front of me. Did Israel steal Gaza?

Israel seized Gaza from Egypt in the Six Day War in 1967, following Egypt's moving an army into the Sinai. Look it up, the tank battles make for great reading and you'll be in awe of what the IDF was able to overcome in that war.

713 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:54:18pm

re: #698 marjoriemoon

The Philadelphi corridor, between Gaza and Egypt has always been a problem for both governments because the smuggling goes through there. U.S. monitors should be at the site, but they're not, unless that's changed recently.

Last I read, Egypt has still wanted to do the monitoring without too much US involvement, but has actually been doing it. They seem to be active participants in the trade restrictions in place by Isreal to squeeze Hamas. All due to Egypt's fear of Iranian influence there. As has been the case recently, all roads in the middle east lead to Iran these days.

So what has Obama been doing on this front? I hope he has more going on behind the scenes than what looks on the outside like a whole lot of appeasing Iran.

714 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:54:20pm

re: #704 sattv4u2

What good is it if you're not in it !?!?!

AND ,,, have it stop at the market and get more ice cream!

Good point. I just called it back. Should pick me up in about 10 minutes.

What kind do you want?

715 sngnsgt  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:54:56pm

re: #704 sattv4u2

What good is it if you're not in it !?!?!

AND ,,, have it stop at the market and get more ice cream!

Chocolate sprinkles and syrup too!!!

716 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:54:57pm

re: #708 marjoriemoon

Oh yea, did you post that before? I remember seeing it. I'll have to read it.

I wrote that when I still had time to write. Last year plus, no time. Hopefully, that will change, at least in part.

If the ME interests you, see the stuff in my sidebar. Redacted work stuff.

717 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:55:02pm

re: #701 freetoken

See! No religion involved there //////////////////////

718 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:55:37pm

re: #710 researchok

I saw that. He was making a speech. He was posturing.

We all know how this will end, re Jerusalem.

It will be a shared capital.

I hope you're right.

719 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:56:09pm

re: #712 Dark_Falcon

Israel seized Gaza from Egypt in the Six Day War in 1967, following Egypt's moving an army into the Sinai. Look it up, the tank battles make for great reading and you'll be in awe of what the IDF was able to overcome in that war.

I know about the 6 day war. Israel didn't steal anything. They did go on the offensive after having been attacked.

720 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:56:23pm

re: #714 Jadespring

Good point. I just called it back. Should pick me up in about 10 minutes.

What kind do you want?

Sikorsky S 92

Image: Sikorsky%20S-92.jpg

Oh ,, wait ,,, did you mean what kind of ice cream !?!?!

721 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:56:50pm

re: #714 Jadespring

Good point. I just called it back. Should pick me up in about 10 minutes.

What kind do you want?

Moose Tracks.

722 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:57:41pm

re: #705 researchok

FYI, see this too.

There is no moral equivalence here. To pretend there is will only prolong the problem.

Is Jerusalem mentioned in Torah?

723 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:57:58pm

re: #692 BryanS

Jerusalem is a different matter, but we were talking in general about the effects of religion on the peace process. I was claiming it was a problem on all sides.

Jeruselam is a pickle both because the religious importance of the city makes compromise nearly impossible, and the security implications are equally challenging.

I would also mention that Israel, as a Jewish state, has always cared for the shrines and sacred places of the 3 religions. They haven't harmed them (remember what happened to The Church of Nativity?) nor have they denied anyone access.

724 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:58:19pm

re: #717 BryanS

See! No religion involved there ///

You're comparing a speech to government sponsored religious hate and bigotry?

725 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:58:33pm

re: #719 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know about the 6 day war. Israel didn't steal anything. They did go on the offensive after having been attacked.

Countries are funny that way. People too, sometimes.

726 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:58:33pm

re: #720 sattv4u2

Sikorsky S 92

Image: Sikorsky%20S-92.jpg

Oh ,, wait ,,, did you mean what kind of ice cream !?!?!

Well tell you what if you can pay for my plane ticket back I'll leave you my helicopter. I'm kinda of tired of it anyway.

I'll just get one of every kind of ice cream in the store too.

727 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:58:54pm

re: #705 researchok

FYI, see this too.

There is no moral equivalence here. To pretend there is will only prolong the problem.

Just from the title :
"What could Jews do to Arabs that their own dysfunctional political and ‘religious’ leadership haven’t already done, to insure the failure of Arab society?"

You can tell the posting you link to is just oozing with cultural, racial, and religious superiority laced sophistry. The text did not disappoint.

728 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:58:55pm

re: #721 Cannadian Club Akbar

Moose Tracks.

I love Moose Tracks!

729 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 8:59:40pm

re: #723 marjoriemoon

I would also mention that Israel, as a Jewish state, has always cared for the shrines and sacred places of the 3 religions. They haven't harmed them (remember what happened to The Church of Nativity?) nor have they denied anyone access.

What Israel found in the West Bank and Jerusalem was appalling. Despite repeated promises and agreements, Jordan had never allowed Jews to their holy sites and Houses of Worship. There was a reason for that. Every single Jewish House of Worship was destroyed- all of them. The tombstones of the Mount Olives cemetery, millenia old, were desecrated. Many were used to line latrines and as sewage conduits by the residents and the Arab occupants of Jerusalem. The area in front of the Wailing Wall, the most sacred of Jewish holy sites was a garbage dump, some 60 feet deep, by some estimates. Yes, there are photos and other documented evidence of these realities.

Contrast and compare to Jerusalem under Israeli rule.

730 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:00:09pm

re: #728 Jadespring

I love Moose Tracks!

I learned to make ice cream about 15 years ago. Tis cool. (no pun intended)

731 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:00:27pm

re: #722 austin_blue

Is Jerusalem mentioned in Torah?

Yes, a number of times in the OT

732 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:00:42pm

re: #707 austin_blue

Given the growing populations, it will be the *proximal* problem.

Yes--and though it is a serious problem, there is some plausible solution. The US could even buy the peace like we bought Egypt's peace by offering to pay for the water supplies(like subsidize huge desalination efforts). Religious dogma doesn't have a resolution.

733 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:00:43pm

re: #709 Floral Giraffe

Alice in Wonderland always cheers me up. This is a PBS broadcast, with Richard Burton's daughter Kate as Alice & a really GREAT cast.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

This is my favorite Alice flick. And I saw Tim Burton's... I was seriously disappointed.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I just saw a naughty one of Alice when I searched for that lol

734 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:00:48pm

re: #700 Jadespring

My helicopter is on it's way!

You will need a jet from the Canadian prairie to Hotlanta!

735 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:01:07pm

re: #731 researchok

Yes, a number of times in the OT

Not my question. In Torah.

736 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:01:09pm

re: #710 researchok

I saw that. He was making a speech. He was posturing.

We all know how this will end, re Jerusalem.

It will be a shared capital.

Oh God forbid!

737 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:01:42pm

re: #712 Dark_Falcon

Israel seized Gaza from Egypt in the Six Day War in 1967, following Egypt's moving an army into the Sinai. Look it up, the tank battles make for great reading and you'll be in awe of what the IDF was able to overcome in that war.

It is moments like that in history when one learns to never underestimate the capability of the Jewish people. The way they prosecuted that war was awesome.

738 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:01:55pm

re: #736 marjoriemoon

Oh God forbid!

No way out, I'm afraid.

739 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:02:32pm

re: #722 austin_blue

Is Jerusalem mentioned in Torah?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

740 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:03:00pm

re: #724 researchok

You're comparing a speech to government sponsored religious hate and bigotry?

Well, the speech was made by the head of government...don't have to draw the comparison--you just did!

741 mikefromArlington  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:03:12pm

OT but check out this crazy exiled online article about where Glen Beck got his little skit from.

[Link: exiledonline.com...]

742 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:03:38pm

re: #737 BryanS

It is moments like that in history when one learns to never underestimate the capability of the Jewish people. The way they prosecuted that war was awesome.

In 1967, Egypt kicked out UN peacekeepers from the Sinai Peninsula. They massed troops on Israel’s borders and threatened her destruction. Radio broadcasts at the time, monitored and recorded, exhorted Arab troops to an orgy of destruction, rivers of blood and rape- literally, saying these was Islamic destiny. Syria followed suit, massing borders on Israels northern flank. The Gulf of Aqaba was blockaded (an act of war in itself) and despite pleas from Israel to Jordan’s King Hussein, he too was to enter the fray.

In response, Israel called up it’s armed forces and reserves and on June 5, 1967, launched a preemptive strike against Egypt, Syria and Jordan. It was over in 6 days. By then, Israel has crossed the Suez Canal and had taken Gaza.

Israel offered the land back, for peace, secure borders and mutual recognition. The Arab countries said no and ratified that ‘No’ in The Khartoum Declaration of 1968. There it was decided that violence would not cease until Israel and her inhabitants were destroyed. Their words.

743 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:04:07pm

re: #617 jamesfirecat

We'll still need to do it soon after they've become death.

Otherwise the mind proceeds to start using those portions of the brain for other things.

Kids need to get cochlear implants, preferably before they hit double digits age wise, this will be no different.

And in doing so for better or worse we may be wiping out deaf culture...

As someone experienced with profound hearing loss:

Cochlear implants are shitty, 45 year-old technology. Never mind that; I pretty much guarantee your insurance company considers cochlear implants to be an elective procedure anyway, which means it's a moot point unless you happen to have a spare ~$40,000 per ear laying around.

And "deaf culture" can suck Bigfoot's dick.

744 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:04:26pm

re: #735 austin_blue

Not my question. In Torah.

No and for good reason if you think about the era that the first 5 books cover.

745 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:04:32pm

re: #701 freetoken

Tiny Israel, with beautiful Jerusalem as its capital, is an internationally recognized nation which happens to be the homeland of the Jewish people.
Arabs (other than Egypt) in general, and the Palestinians in particular, refuse to accept that fact and thereby are the primary obstacle to peace.

746 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:04:45pm

re: #735 austin_blue

Not my question. In Torah.

Yes, Torah is part of OT

747 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:04:48pm

re: #722 austin_blue

Is Jerusalem mentioned in Torah?

Do bears shit in the woods?

748 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:05:05pm

re: #713 BryanS

Last I read, Egypt has still wanted to do the monitoring without too much US involvement, but has actually been doing it. They seem to be active participants in the trade restrictions in place by Isreal to squeeze Hamas. All due to Egypt's fear of Iranian influence there. As has been the case recently, all roads in the middle east lead to Iran these days.

So what has Obama been doing on this front? I hope he has more going on behind the scenes than what looks on the outside like a whole lot of appeasing Iran.

I don't think he's appeasing Iran, but I don't know what's going on there really.

Egypt's government is a little rocky with Mubarak being so old and not in good health. I think they're having elections next year so that will be another added dimension.

749 ryannon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:05:19pm

re: #731 researchok

Yes, a number of times in the OT

More than 600 times, by actual count.

750 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:05:22pm

re: #742 researchok

In 1967, Egypt kicked out UN peacekeepers from the Sinai Peninsula. They massed troops on Israel’s borders and threatened her destruction. Radio broadcasts at the time, monitored and recorded, exhorted Arab troops to an orgy of destruction, rivers of blood and rape- literally, saying these was Islamic destiny. Syria followed suit, massing borders on Israels northern flank. The Gulf of Aqaba was blockaded (an act of war in itself) and despite pleas from Israel to Jordan’s King Hussein, he too was to enter the fray.

In response, Israel called up it’s armed forces and reserves and on June 5, 1967, launched a preemptive strike against Egypt, Syria and Jordan. It was over in 6 days. By then, Israel has crossed the Suez Canal and had taken Gaza.

Israel offered the land back, for peace, secure borders and mutual recognition. The Arab countries said no and ratified that ‘No’ in The Khartoum Declaration of 1968. There it was decided that violence would not cease until Israel and her inhabitants were destroyed. Their words.

Yep. Israel was entirely within its rights in that war in my opinion.

751 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:05:33pm

re: #716 researchok

I wrote that when I still had time to write. Last year plus, no time. Hopefully, that will change, at least in part.

If the ME interests you, see the stuff in my sidebar. Redacted work stuff.

Will do :)

752 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:06:11pm

re: #742 researchok

How many countries attacked Israel? I can't seem to get an answer.

753 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:06:24pm

re: #741 mikefromArlington

OT but check out this crazy exiled online article about where Glen Beck got his little skit from.

[Link: exiledonline.com...]

Good stuff. Learning how things and people are marketed to us is a very important thing. The more we learn how things are marketed, the better equipped we are to tell fact from commercial fiction.

754 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:06:28pm

re: #740 BryanS

Well, the speech was made by the head of government...don't have to draw the comparison--you just did!

You're right. Israel is no different than her neighbors.

/

755 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:06:38pm

re: #739 ryannon

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

((Although Jerusalem appears in the Hebrew Bible 669 times, it is not mentioned in the Pentateuch.))

Which is interesting. In the Torah, it is referred to as the place that God will choose. Obviously, at the time of the writing of the Pentateuch, the City had not been founded, or at least was not the center of Jewish religion. It was still dispersed.

756 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:07:08pm

re: #743 negativ

As someone experienced with profound hearing loss:

Cochlear implants are shitty, 45 year-old technology. Never mind that; I pretty much guarantee your insurance company considers cochlear implants to be an elective procedure anyway, which means it's a moot point unless you happen to have a spare ~$40,000 per ear laying around.

And "deaf culture" can suck Bigfoot's dick.

Deaf culture is a the culture of people who are born that way and thus learned sign language as their only language rather than one that of people who became deaf over time.

I'm not saying it isn't just a bit (you know what I honestly can't think of the right word to put here) of them to base a culture around a deformity/weakness that leads to them refusing to have that weakness treated, but I don't think they're quite on the same level as Anti-vaxers....

757 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:07:28pm

re: #750 BryanS

Yep. Israel was entirely within its rights in that war in my opinion.

Mine too.

758 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:07:37pm

@ Cato

I actually went through this once, I really did, I allowed one poster I somehow decided to hate to fixate me because he got under my skin. Sure I had posted for years, sure I had 35,000+ posts, sure up until then people mostly seemed to like/respect me.

Do you know what happened? I ended up banned while he was still free to post there.

What is worse (for me) is that when people tried to tell me I was fixated and being irrational I would post back and berate them for sticking up for "Him." The people who had been my friends...sigh...

The internet may just be "words on a screen" but it evokes real emotions, don't let your's betray you. I'm seriously adviseing you to just let Mandy go, drop it, refrain from any comment, you'll be happier in the long run and we will all like you better. ;)

759 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:07:54pm

re: #752 Cannadian Club Akbar

How many countries attacked Israel? I can't seem to get an answer.

Pretty much all the Arab nations sent troops to fight.

760 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:08:43pm

re: #710 researchok

I saw that. He was making a speech. He was posturing.

We all know how this will end, re Jerusalem.

It will be a shared capital.

The Palis do not know that. They believe and pray for the utter destruction of Israel and of every single Jew.

761 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:10:29pm

re: #758 ausador

@ Cato

I actually went through this once, I really did, I allowed one poster I somehow decided to hate to fixate me because he got under my skin. Sure I had posted for years, sure I had 35,000+ posts, sure up until then people mostly seemed to like/respect me.

Do you know what happened? I ended up banned while he was still free to post there.

What is worse (for me) is that when people tried to tell me I was fixated and being irrational I would post back and berate them for sticking up for "Him." The people who had been my friends...sigh...

The internet may just be "words on a screen" but it evokes real emotions, don't let your's betray you. I'm seriously adviseing you to just let Mandy go, drop it, refrain from any comment, you'll be happier in the long run and we will all like you better. ;)

Good advice but I've only been here four months and already I can tell you, Cato wouldn't be Cato if he took it.

762 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:10:34pm

re: #722 austin_blue

Is Jerusalem mentioned in Torah?

Where do you think the original temple was built? King Solomon in Jerusalem. The Wailing Wall and Solomon's stables are the last remains of the once great structure.

763 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:10:52pm

re: #733 marjoriemoon

Cool, added it to my shopping cart.
Sorry to hear Tim Burton's wasn't really great, it had such potential...

764 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:11:26pm

re: #748 marjoriemoon

I don't think he's appeasing Iran, but I don't know what's going on there really.

Egypt's government is a little rocky with Mubarak being so old and not in good health. I think they're having elections next year so that will be another added dimension.

The single most important issue on the mind of allies and foes in the middle east is Iran and their nuclear program. The fear level is so high that traditional mortal enemies are finding themselves cooperating out of a mutual fear of the common enemy--Iran. Isreal, Jordon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, the PLO half of the Palestinians have all come to view Iran as the greater danger and have been cooperating on issues of mutual interests. That is not to say that Isreal is not still disliked by all these governments, but they are all diplomatically fighting the Iran/Syria/Hamas/Hezbollah/sometimes Turkey axis. The way things are lining up, if there was a war, the chances of a major conflagration seem downright scary to me.

765 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:11:39pm

re: #762 marjoriemoon

Where do you think the original temple was built? King Solomon in Jerusalem. The Wailing Wall and Solomon's stables are the last remains of the once great structure.

But the Torah does not cover David, much less Solomon.

766 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:11:57pm

re: #758 ausador

I'm seriously advising you to just let Mandy go, drop it, refrain from any comment, you'll be happier in the long run and we will all like you better. ;)

The more Cato is "advised" of something the more resistant he is to comply. Also, he could actually care less whether anyone likes him better or not
Just sayin

767 Van Helsing  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:13:01pm

re: #760 Spare O'Lake

The Palis do not know that. They believe and pray for the utter destruction of Israel and of every single Jew.

Besides, The Won has spoken: Obama on Jerusalem

Oh. Nevermind. He was campaigning. Hard to tell the difference at times.

768 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:13:08pm

re: #763 Floral Giraffe

Cool, added it to my shopping cart.
Sorry to hear Tim Burton's wasn't really great, it had such potential...

Oh tell me. With the 3D and all, it was just wretched, but I'm a big Alice fan. He did his own thing, plucking bits and pieces from the original, for some ridiculous reason. Maybe he thought he knew more than Carroll.

769 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:13:15pm

re: #217 JasonA

What's the actual problem here? Have they made the ketchup resistant to adding extra salt?

If you add extra salt, the ketchup turns blue and solid, gets up and takes a quasi-human form, walks to the phone, and calls the Food Police, who come and take you away.

770 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #646 Olsonist

Actually, taking the Gaza Strip from the Egyptians didn't make Israel safer.

This is the post I responded to.

re: #759 researchok

Pretty much all the Arab nations sent troops to fight.

This is where I got an answer. After I asked if Israel went on the offensive. And being told I needed to read. Sometimes, ya just wanna know people's stance.

771 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:14:52pm

re: #752 Cannadian Club Akbar

How many countries attacked Israel? I can't seem to get an answer.

All of them--in the Middle east that is. Every one of its immediate neighbors attacked at the same time. Israel fought them off.

From Six Day War on wikipedia:


The Six-Day War of June 5–10, 1967 was a war between Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The Arab states of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria also contributed troops and arms.

772 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:15:11pm

re: #759 researchok

Pretty much all the Arab nations sent troops to fight.

Actually it was only three Arab states that sent ground troops, those being Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. However, Israel did attack and destroy an Iraqi airbase in the H2-H3 area of that country that was being prepped for use against Israel. Iraq did commit a division to support Syria in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, but it's T-55s were hammered by a single Israeli brigade equipped with upgraded Shermans.

773 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:17:00pm

re: #673 Jadespring

Okay anyone got anything funny? I need some serious cheering up!

Always.

This was told to me by a very embarrassed nurse, who swears it happened to her. That said, she was a few sheets to the wind when she told me, and it really sounds like a joke, but she swears it happened.

The patient was an older, grandfatherly type, in his seventies or so, who'd just been under general for something and was coming out of it. She was in his room checking up on some stuff, and he was half sitting up, breathing pure oxygen through a facemask. As she's writing on his chart, he waves weakly at her and asks, 'Are my testicles black?'

She ignores him. Patients are weird sometimes, especially creepy old men to pretty young nurses, plus she thought he might still be a bit funny from the general. After a bit, he gets a bit more insistent. 'Are my testicles black?'

Again, she ignores him. However, when she's beside the bed, he starts tugging on her sleeve. 'Are my testicles black?'

By now, she's had enough. She pulls back the sheet, lifts his gown, and cups his perfectly normal scrotum, lifting it to show him. 'No, sir. Your testicles are perfectly normal. See? Pink, two of them, not black, perfectly normal. Okay?'

He gave her a very long look, then slowly sat up in bed and pulled off his mask, before saying, clearly, 'Are my test results back?'

774 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:17:29pm

re: #770 Cannadian Club Akbar

FWIW, I knew the answer. Forgot to add that.

775 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:18:11pm

Disturbing report from National Geographic...

Gulf Oil Leaks Could Gush for Years

If efforts fail to cap the leaking Deepwater Horizon wellhead in the Gulf of Mexico (map), oil could gush for years—poisoning coastal habitats for decades, experts say.

776 Summer Seale  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:18:24pm

re: #51 Nimed

Hey, that was my line! I have proof:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Nuh-uh.

MY line, and I have proof:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Sorreeee =)

777 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:18:24pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

You cannot separate Trig the person from his mother's abject political misuse of him.

Of course you can. Trig is an unwilling victim of the Palin family's quest for fame. They take advantage because he can't talk...yet.

778 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:19:02pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin has been writing about Mrs. Obama's food thing for a while. She sees it as a seekrit communist plot because SIEU would benefit from running the school lunch program (or something).

Let's feed the kids crap, for the good of America!

779 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:19:07pm

re: #763 Floral Giraffe

Cool, added it to my shopping cart.
Sorry to hear Tim Burton's wasn't really great, it had such potential...

It is a beautiful piece of eye candy, but the script is very dull. It is a probably good DVD rental with some wine on the side.

780 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:20:01pm

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

Pantano's conviction was overturned. He is not a war criminal in my eyes. Unless a Marine is proven to have acted wrongly, I assume that what they say about an incident is true.


pantano is the crazy person. west is the war criminal

781 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:21:13pm

re: #778 SanFranciscoZionist

Let's feed the kids crap, for the good of America!

You cancel pizza day, there will be riots!!!
/not sure about that tag...

782 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:21:20pm

re: #776 Summer

Nuh-uh.

MY line, and I have proof:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Sorreee =)

Well, Charles did use it at the start of his post.

783 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:21:39pm

re: #774 Cannadian Club Akbar

FWIW, I knew the answer. Forgot to add that.

I didn't get where you were coming from at all and reacted accordingly. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

784 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:22:08pm

re: #775 NJDhockeyfan

Disturbing report from National Geographic...

Gulf Oil Leaks Could Gush for Years

Thanks for posting, I hate to ding bad news, but I did.

785 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:22:15pm

re: #773 Renaissance_Man

:D

786 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:22:26pm

re: #780 SpaceJesus

pantano is the crazy person. west is the war criminal

How is West a war criminal?

787 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:22:42pm

OK, I've got the whip and the mask...
Oh wait, I just had a flashback to last night. Sorry. Please proceed.

788 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:22:48pm

re: #783 bratwurst

We good.

789 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:23:09pm

re: #491 MandyManners

I'm gonna' just shut the fuck up.

Or, you could just stop with the dumb-ass extraneous apostrophes following words like "gonna".

790 Summer Seale  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:23:14pm

re: #782 prairiefire

Well, Charles did use it at the start of his post.

I know! That's why I posted being all excited at the top! =)

791 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:23:17pm

re: #775 NJDhockeyfan

Disturbing report from National Geographic...

Gulf Oil Leaks Could Gush for Years

Just nuke it! Supposedly the russians have successfully used this method.

Don't know how legit the Russian news source is, but there you go.

792 Jadespring  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:23:55pm

re: #778 SanFranciscoZionist

Let's feed the kids crap, for the good of America!

French fries are vegetables!

793 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:24:09pm

re: #775 NJDhockeyfan

Disturbing report from National Geographic...

Gulf Oil Leaks Could Gush for Years

Sounds like BP is going to have to have its accounting department create a new number to determine how much they owe us when all is said and done.


"Then on a scale of one to zerplex, how bad is it?" (Better off Ted)

794 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:24:26pm

re: #792 Jadespring

I thought it was ketchup?

795 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:24:30pm

re: #792 Jadespring

French fries are vegetables!

So is Ketchup!!
/

796 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:24:33pm

re: #786 Dark_Falcon

How is West a war criminal?

"West was forced to retire from the Army and fined $5,000 after he admitted to apprehending an Iraqi policeman he suspected of planning an ambush, watching as his troops beat him, and then firing a gunshot by the Iraqi's head in order to scare him into divulging information."


this is fact. if you use your position as a soldier during war time to torture someone (especially someone who was innocent), then you are a war criminal.

torture = no no

797 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:24:53pm

re: #792 Jadespring

French fries are vegetables!

French fries & ketchup = vegetables and fruit

798 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:25:25pm

re: #791 BryanS

Just nuke it! Supposedly the russians have successfully used this method.

Don't know how legit the Russian news source is, but there you go.

Ketchup not a vegetable it's a lifelong occupation...

I heard that somewhere, can't recall where....

799 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:25:27pm

re: #795 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ha! Beat ya! ;)

800 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:25:57pm

Reebok EasyTone 30"

Youtube Video

It's gotta be the shoes!
- Mars Blackman

801 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:26:15pm

re: #799 Irenicum

Ha! Beat ya! ;)

Oh, shuddup.
/

802 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:26:30pm

re: #344 Spare O'Lake

It's craziness. As I see it the problem is that the pols fear, perhaps with some merit, that the US justice system is ill equipped to deal effectively with suspected citizen terrorists like the Times Square Bomber. So instead of considering some terror-specific reforms to the arrest, bail and/or pre-trial publicity provisions, they go off the deep end with a nutty proposal like this.

Why is the U.S. justice system ill-equipped?

803 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:26:46pm

re: #800 Racer X

Reebok EasyTone 30"


[Video]

It's gotta be the shoes!
- Mars Blackman

Oh baby, oh baby, oh baby, oh.

804 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:26:52pm

re: #793 jamesfirecat

Sounds like BP is going to have to have its accounting department create a new number to determine how much they owe us when all is said and done.

"Then on a scale of one to zerplex, how bad is it?" (Better off Ted)

So far, estimates are less than a quarter's profit. We will see.

Exxon got off, remember.

805 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:27:14pm

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

no, they'd say it made her a member of the IRA. Three of the founders of the subway driver's union were members of the IRA. To a wingnut, that's proof positive.

Do they dislike the IRA this week?

806 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:27:30pm

re: #789 Cato the Elder

She occupies serious space inside your head. It must drive you mad.

807 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:27:33pm

re: #789 Cato the Elder

Or, you could just stop with the dumb-ass extraneous apostrophes following words like "gonna".

It's a blog

Not an Honors Grammar/ Spelling class

get over yourself

808 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:27:36pm

re: #797 EmmmieG

French fries & ketchup = vegetables and fruit

If people realized how much sugar was in orange juice, like ketchup, it would be banned.

809 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:27:39pm

re: #804 Stanley Sea

So far, estimates are less than a quarter's profit. We will see.

Exxon got off, remember.

In a perfect world BP would owe America 2 Zerplex dollars.

But we don't live in a perfect world so I'll settle for half a zerplex....

810 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:27:40pm

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

Stalin slaughtered 30 million Russians.

Buchanan, so far, can only dream of such glory.

811 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:27:51pm

re: #769 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL!

Youtube Video
812 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:28:50pm

re: #808 Cannadian Club Akbar

No wonder I like them both so much.

813 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:29:00pm

re: #379 Aceofwhat?

yep. still, i'd rather be guilty of welcoming and occasionally gullible than nasty and occasionally correct.

Agreed. But I had to say it. He always gets me!!

814 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:29:07pm

re: #796 SpaceJesus

All of which earned Lt. Col. Allen West the hearts and minds of the Tea Partiers, including The Sarah Herself.

815 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:29:12pm

re: #758 ausador

@ Cato

I allowed one poster I somehow decided to hate to fixate me because he got under my skin. Sure I had posted for years, sure I had 35,000+ posts

Internet: Serious Business.

816 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:29:34pm

re: #806 Racer X

She occupies serious space inside your head. It must drive you mad.

Maybe he has a crush on her, ,in that fourth grade "girlz r icky, I can't feel this way about her" way!

817 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:31:14pm

re: #792 Jadespring

French fries are vegetables!

Heh.

We're supposed to buy local, right?

So this afternoon I go down the street to the "local" place for a burger.

I order one, with Provolone, medium.

It comes with fries.

I don't want fries.

I've seen them serve up asparagus, grilled, instead of fries.

No asparagus today, I'm told.

Well, what are my other options?

Small salad.

So I'll take that.

That'll be two dollars extra.

So what if I just order the burger with no side? Will you give me two dollars off?

No.

Cato cancels order, goes to multinational Burger King, gets plain burger without fries. Pays for burger by itself.

Fuck local.

818 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:31:14pm

re: #813 SanFranciscoZionist

How are you tonight?

819 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:31:23pm

re: #816 sattv4u2

Maybe he has a crush on her, ,in that fourth grade "girlz r icky, I can't feel this way about her" way!

Drop it ok?

820 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:31:37pm

re: #816 sattv4u2

Maybe he has a crush on her, ,in that fourth grade "girlz r icky, I can't feel this way about her" way!

No doubt about it. He's in love, and it pisses him off.

821 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:31:40pm

re: #814 freetoken

All of which earned Lt. Col. Allen West the hearts and minds of the Tea Partiers, including The Sarah Herself.


is the person being beaten against international and domestic law both brown and foreign? then it's ok.

822 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:31:42pm

Today in History


Today is Saturday, May 15, the 135th day of 2010. There are 230 days left in the year.

Today's Highlight in History:

On May 15, 1970, just after midnight, Phillip Lafayette Gibbs and James Earl Green, two black students at Jackson State College in Mississippi, were killed as police opened fire during student protests.

On this date:

In 1911, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered the breakup of Standard Oil Co., ruling it was a monopoly in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.

In 1929, a fire at the Cleveland Clinic claimed 123 lives.

In 1930, registered nurse Ellen Church, the first airline stewardess, went on duty aboard an Oakland-to-Chicago flight operated by Boeing Air Transport (a forerunner of United Airlines).

In 1940, nylon stockings were first introduced to the public by DuPont.
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In 1942, wartime gasoline rationing went into effect in 17 Eastern states, limiting sales to three gallons a week for non-essential vehicles.

In 1948, hours after declaring its independence, the new state of Israel was attacked by Transjordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon.

In 1960, the Michelangelo Antonioni film "L'Avventura," starring Monica Vitti, was roundly jeered by the audience at the Cannes Film Festival, but went on to win a special jury prize.

In 1963, astronaut L. Gordon Cooper blasted off aboard Faith 7 on the final mission of the Project Mercury space program.

In 1972, George C. Wallace was shot by Arthur Bremer and left paralyzed while campaigning in Laurel, Md., for the Democratic presidential nomination.

In 1975, U.S. forces invaded the Cambodian island of Koh Tang and recaptured the American merchant ship Mayaguez. (All 40 crew members had already been released safely by Cambodia; some 40 U.S. servicemen were killed in the operation.)

Ten years ago: By a 5-4 vote, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out a key provision of the 1994 Violence Against Women Act, saying that rape victims could not sue their attackers in federal court. United Press International was sold to the parent company of The Washington Times.

Five years ago: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice paid a surprise visit to Iraq to express support for its new government. The Czech Republic denied Canada its third straight title and won the world ice hockey championship 3-0 in Vienna, Austria.
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One year ago: General Motors told about 1,100 dealers their franchises would be terminated. CIA Director Leon Panetta defended the agency against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's charge that she was misled in 2002 about the use of waterboarding. Pope Benedict XVI ended his Mideast visit at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. Former basketball star and accomplished jazzman Wayman Tisdale died in Tulsa, Okla. at age 44.

823 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:31:59pm

re: #806 Racer X

Nope. On both counts.

824 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:32:20pm

re: #765 bratwurst

But the Torah does not cover David, much less Solomon.

Yes, but the Torah existed at that time. Was that the question? David wrote Pslams, Solomon wrote ecclesiastics, the books of the Prophets were written already.

(sorry my neighbor was at the door)

825 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:32:22pm

re: #819 Stanley Sea

Drop it ok?

sure ,,, are you giving Cato the same advice???

826 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:33:13pm

re: #820 Racer X

No doubt about it. He's in love, and it pisses him off.

You're the one I dream of.

And it drives me mad.

Mad, I tell you!

827 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:33:23pm

re: #817 Cato the Elder

A total Jack Nicholson moment! I love it.

828 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:34:28pm

re: #824 marjoriemoon

Yes, but the Torah existed at that time. Was that the question? David wrote Pslams, Solomon wrote ecclesiastics, the books of the Prophets were written already.

(sorry my neighbor was at the door)

Did someone mention the Hebrew scriptures?

829 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:35:10pm

re: #673 Jadespring

Okay anyone got anything funny? I need some serious cheering up!

One Friday a few months after my dad died, my mom told me she was going to Dallas for the weekend (a short drive, no big deal), and would be back on Sunday. Three weeks later, she phoned to say she was in Medford, OR and planned to stay there. That was 18 years ago, and I haven't seen or heard from her since.

LOL!

Also, happy fucking mother's day.

830 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:35:11pm

re: #828 Walter L. Newton

Did someone mention the Hebrew scriptures?

Yes, Walter. You know those flawed texts you so adore?

831 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:35:59pm

re: #824 marjoriemoon

Yes, but the Torah existed at that time. Was that the question? David wrote Pslams, Solomon wrote ecclesiastics, the books of the Prophets were written already.

(sorry my neighbor was at the door)

My favorite Old Testament book is Proverbs.

832 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:36:04pm

re: #828 Walter L. Newton

Did someone mention the Hebrew scriptures?

not to mention their National Hot Dogs!
/

833 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:36:26pm

re: #826 Cato the Elder

You're the one I dream of.

And it drives me mad.

Mad, I tell you!

OMG!

I'm so glad you posted that. We have so much to talk about. My emotions are all atwitter. Call me?

;-)

834 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:36:37pm

re: #830 marjoriemoon

Yes, Walter. You know those flawed texts you so adore?

Well, I was hoping we wouldn't go there, but since you mentioned it... :)

835 swamprat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:36:55pm

re: #821 SpaceJesus

The original oath was:

"against all enemies; foreign, brown, and domestic",

but it got changed during the time-travel wars.

836 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:37:58pm

re: #833 Racer X

OMG!

I'm so glad you posted that. We have so much to talk about. My emotions are all atwitter. Call me?

;-)

Make sure you wear the red pumps. It drives him nuts! (and makes your legs and ass look MAHVAHLOUS !! )

837 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:38:02pm

re: #391 Olsonist

Yeah, in San Francisco the tip jars at the Clement Street Irish bars werefor the Belfast Children's Retirement Fund and the tourists thought it was so charming. Still it is good to see that that part of the world has quieted down. I'm on my way to Dublin in a month.

Clement is still pretty wild.

//So, I'm in the ladies room at Ireland's 32, well-known Fenian bar on Geary, and on the wall, someone has written Tiocfaidh ár lá (our day is coming), a classic Republican slogan.

Below it, someone else has written, I don't like that kind of talk.

Below that, someone else has written Then you're in the wrong pub.

838 McSpiff  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:38:17pm

re: #822 NJDhockeyfan

Today in History

I just read about the Mayaguez yesterday. Now I can't remember if the link was just off wikipedia's front page, or if I just happened to randomly stumble across it in my travels of wikipedia. Interesting story either way.

Also got word that my cousin has arrived safely in Kandahar, and that she'll probably be going on combat patrols soon. Crazy girl has signed up to do IED disposal. Way more guts than I'll ever have.

And finally the new Robin Hood movie is pretty much garbage. Just watch Gladiator again and save yourself the cash.

So how's everyone here doing?

839 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:38:21pm

re: #832 sattv4u2

not to mention their National Hot Dogs!
/

Those are the best hot dogs ever. EVAH!!!

840 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:38:37pm

Wow. Tonight looks promising too.

841 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:38:55pm

re: #834 Walter L. Newton

Well, I was hoping we wouldn't go there, but since you mentioned it... :)

I was gonna say, why not. The night is young, but it's not so terribly young anymore. Or maybe that's just me.

842 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:39:13pm

re: #840 Irenicum

Wow. Tonight looks promising too.

for !?!?!?!? (or should I even be asking!!))

843 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:39:52pm

re: #836 sattv4u2

Make sure you wear the red pumps. It drives him nuts! (and makes your legs and ass look MAHVAHLOUS !! )

Now, now Satt, plenty of X to go around.

844 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:39:55pm

The banter between Cato and Racer X. ;)

845 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:40:33pm

re: #821 SpaceJesus

is the person being beaten against international and domestic law both brown and foreign? then it's ok.

You forgot "doesn't speak English".

846 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:40:42pm

re: #840 Irenicum

Wow. Tonight looks promising too.

Only thing lacking is a tasty troll.

If we don't get one, I'll be forced to patronize the local eeevul 7-Eleven for dragon wings!

847 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:40:43pm

re: #842 sattv4u2

for !?!?!?!? (or should I even be asking!!))

It appears that I've walked into a den of inequality.

848 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:40:52pm

re: #844 Irenicum

The banter foreplay between Cato and Racer X. ;)

ftfy ,, :)

849 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:40:52pm

It must be spring, 'cause there's a whole lotta flirting going on lately.

850 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:41:08pm

re: #802 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is the U.S. justice system ill-equipped?

I'm not saying it is or not...I'm saying that the Lieberman/Brown Bill was IMO motivated by that perception. Having said that, one thing that jumps out is the timing of the miranda warning, which some felt would inhibit the questioning of the terror suspect in order to gain vital intelligence. Another issue is the political damage which some believe is done by excessive pre-trial media coverage including giving a propoganda platform to the accused terrorists.

851 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:41:16pm

It's Friday. I guess there has to be a brawl somewhere.

852 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:41:26pm

re: #847 Walter L. Newton

It appears that I've walked into a den of inequality.

Thats why I stay in the kitchen!

853 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:41:31pm

re: #843 Racer X

Now, now Satt, plenty of X to go around.

Someday I'll tell an "X" story that involved models from Miami.

854 swamprat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:41:32pm

re: #837 SanFranciscoZionist


My favorite San Francisco graffiti:

"There are times when the moon howls and the wolf shines."

855 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:41:45pm

I wanna open a bar and call it Den of Iquity.

856 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:41:45pm

re: #849 Irenicum

It must be spring, 'cause there's a whole lotta flirting going on lately.

lol Maybe Charles needs to have an Adult Swim board.

857 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:41:49pm

re: #849 Irenicum

It must be spring, 'cause there's a whole lotta flirting going on lately.

How would you know, seminarian?

858 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:42:01pm

re: #849 Irenicum

It must be spring, 'cause there's a whole lotta flirting going on lately.

You want to see spring... for those who missed the picture taken out my kitchen window this morning... one more time...

Image: seven_deer.JPG

859 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:42:09pm

re: #840 Irenicum

Wow. Tonight looks promising too.

Compared to last nights discussion of the ins and outs of S&M and B&D? This is nothing....

860 Racer X  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:42:10pm

re: #848 sattv4u2

ftfy ,, :)

Look. I've said this before. The tattoo on my ass says "Exit Only".

861 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:42:26pm

re: #857 Cato the Elder

Hey, I'm protestant, I'm allowed to have sex!

862 bratwurst  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:42:36pm

re: #824 marjoriemoon

Yes, but the Torah existed at that time. Was that the question? David wrote Pslams, Solomon wrote ecclesiastics, the books of the Prophets were written already.

(sorry my neighbor was at the door)

As I understood it, the question was whether Yerushalayim is itself mentioned in the Torah. The answer is no.

863 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:42:44pm

re: #494 jamesfirecat

Not many people know this, but the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer!

He was better dressed than Churchill, he could dance the pants off old Churchill!!

CHURCHILL!!!

864 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:43:00pm

re: #861 Irenicum

Hey, I'm protestant, I'm allowed to have sex!


and one of these days, it'll be with another person!!

//

865 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:43:12pm

re: #849 Irenicum

It must be spring, 'cause there's a whole lotta flirting going on lately.

First of may, first of may, out door f***ing starts today!

Youtube Video
866 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:43:22pm

re: #858 Walter L. Newton

Absolutely gorgeous picture Walter.

867 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:43:24pm

re: #861 Irenicum

Hey, I'm protestant, I'm allowed to have sex!

Right, I thought you were Episcopalian?

868 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:43:32pm

re: #858 Walter L. Newton

You want to see spring... for those who missed the picture taken out my kitchen window this morning... one more time...

Image: seven_deer.JPG

I see only six.

The other one is in your larder already, right?

869 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:43:46pm

re: #861 Irenicum

Hey, I'm protestant, I'm allowed to have sex!

You made me....

Youtube Video
870 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:44:05pm

re: #861 Irenicum

Hey, I'm protestant, I'm allowed to have sex!

With a Catholic?

871 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:44:11pm

re: #862 bratwurst

As I understood it, the question was whether Yerushalayim is itself mentioned in the Torah. The answer is no.

Ahhh ok well then nevermind! lol

872 McSpiff  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:44:15pm

re: #850 Spare O'Lake

I don't agree with you often about these sorts of things, but that was a very well put together list of concerns, presented in a reasonable fashion.Thanks for that, totally worth the upding.

873 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:44:24pm

re: #868 Cato the Elder

I see only six.

The other one is in your larder already, right?

Loot at the amount of feet on the one in the background on the left... there is another one right behind him, you can see one of the legs in the middle of the little guy.

874 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:44:32pm

re: #868 Cato the Elder

I see only six.

The other one is in your larder already, right?

The seventh took the picture !! DUH !!!

875 swamprat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:44:36pm

re: #854 swamprat

My favorite Magdalena, New Mexico graffiti:

"Grannies devoured! Wolves solve healthcare crisis!"

876 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:45:59pm

re: #805 SanFranciscoZionist

Do they dislike the IRA this week?

I dunno, i was just using the IRA as an example. TMost of the folks at RedState believe, if not the worst then close to it about Barack Obama. When he picked Kagan, they already had the mental frame "Those picked by Obama are socialists." All they want is validation of that theme. Evidence showing her to be a responsible jurist will be deliberately misinterpreted, ignored, or dismissed as "progressive lies". Erik and his followers have made up their minds and don't want to be bother by facts.

877 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:46:04pm

re: #870 Cato the Elder

Why do I have a Billy Joel song going through my head right now?

878 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:46:19pm

re: #532 researchok

That argument is absurd.

You can't compare ancient texts to what is taught today. Won't fly.

As for the settlements, be advised that every time Israel is asked to give up settlements, they do.

And they still get killed in the name of Allah.

For that matter, the old-school PLO did a fairly secular Marxist line, and they still killed Israelis.

This is, people, a land war in Asia. What's the rule about a land war in Asia?

879 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:46:39pm

re: #870 Cato the Elder

And Catholic girls can be pretty hot by the way.

880 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:46:56pm

re: #870 Cato the Elder

With a Catholic?

Only if you're a...oh never mind. Going there would definitely get me in trouble :)

881 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:47:09pm

re: #861 Irenicum

Hey, I'm protestant, I'm allowed to have sex!

Actually, this is the one I was looking for LOL

Youtube Video
882 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:47:20pm

re: re: #879 Irenicum

And Catholic girls can be pretty hot by the way.

Catholicism the religion that makes school girls no fun at all... or actually pretty wild!

(Stephen Colbert)

883 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:47:21pm

re: #873 Walter L. Newton

Loot at the amount of feet on the one in the background on the left... there is another one right behind him, you can see one of the legs in the middle of the little guy.

I'm disappointed in you. If they're on your property, you can shoot 'em. And salt 'em away for when TSHTF.

884 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:47:23pm

re: #879 Irenicum

And Catholic girls can be pretty hot by the way.

Skirts. It's the skirts.

885 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:47:28pm

re: #867 prairiefire

Close enough. Currently Anglican. Pretty much an ecclesial hodgepodge.

886 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:47:32pm

re: #546 BryanS

Blown away by the truth? Anger? So what is wrong with the observation that religion is the intractable cause of the Israeli conflict? I'm firmly on the side of supporting the Isrealis, but who can deny their religious factions are an obstacle to resolving the conflict?

Ethnic factions are 'the intractable cause of the Israeli conflict'. Religion is window dressing.

887 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:48:01pm

re: #884 Cannadian Club Akbar

The pleats. It's all about the pleats.

888 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:48:09pm

re: #879 Irenicum

And Catholic girls can be pretty hot by the way.

Mary Louise Callahan was voted Most Likely To Conceive when we were in 6th grade at Immaculate Conception grammar school!

889 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:48:23pm

re: #879 Irenicum

And Catholic girls can be pretty hot by the way.

They're either no fun at all or totally wet and ready.

890 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:48:36pm

re: #885 Irenicum

Close enough. Currently Anglican. Pretty much an ecclesial hodgepodge.

"I'm Episcopalian, that's church of England lite, same religion half the guilt!"

(Robbin Williams)

891 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:48:44pm

re: #878 SanFranciscoZionist

Inconceivable!

892 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:48:51pm

re: #775 NJDhockeyfan

Disturbing report from National Geographic...

Gulf Oil Leaks Could Gush for Years

They'll probably kill it in the next ninety days. *BUT*.

The question is, how much is it releasing every day? Why is that important?

Two reasons.,

First, obviously, every barrel gushed is a barrel that may affect someone's livelihood, perhaps for years to come.

Second, (this is the kicker) BP has to pay the US and Louisiana royalties on every barrel that comes out of the ground. Of *course* they aren't interested in quantifying the flow. If it's 60,000 barrels a day (as opposed to 5,000) since the boom, they must pay the US Gov't and La. 12 times what was originally estimated. And believe me, it is at least that much if not more.

In the last 24 days, that gusher has pumped at least 1.45 million barrels of oil into the Gulf. Multiply that by 42 and the total is...Jeebuz!!!

Fifty eight million gallons. The Valdez was 11 million. Thank the powers that be that the winds have held the vast mass of the oil offshore.

893 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:49:01pm

re: #883 Cato the Elder

I'm disappointed in you. If they're on your property, you can shoot 'em. And salt 'em away for when TSHTF.

It's too fucking early to shoot them, hardly any meat on those critters... they'll hang around the area all summer into the fall... I'll get real friendly with them over the summer and by deer season, I have the little sucker practically waltzing into my oven.

894 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:49:27pm

re: #885 Irenicum

Close enough. Currently Anglican. Pretty much an ecclesial hodgepodge.

Better than a theological hedgehog.

895 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:50:01pm

re: #585 freetoken

I disagree. Zionism at heart is a religiously based concept. Now, it might be one you agree with, and most of us here might agree that the UN (which many of you apparently despise) was correct to establish the modern state of Israel post WWII, yet without a doubt Zionism is at heart based on religion in several ways. Even atheistic Jews would have to accept that the historical religion is the basis for several decisions in founding the modern state.

Zionism is based on nineteenth-twentieth century concepts of ethnic nationalism and self-determination, far more than it is 'based' on religious concepts.

896 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:50:06pm

re: #882 jamesfirecat

Some of the Catholic girls I knew back in NYC were most definitely wild.

897 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:50:33pm

re: #673 Jadespring

Okay anyone got anything funny? I need some serious cheering up!

Had rough day dealing with problems with my sister. I was on the phone at 830 in the morning and didn't get off until 6:30. I ended up not even eating and was still in my PJs.

*NSFW*

This is the best of the worst jokes I have ever heard; It is called the "Pineapple joke."

Three sailors on shore leave set out to find a whorehouse. After asking around they think they have located a good one and go up and knock on the door.

A slit in the door is drawn back and a woman asks what they want, the sailors immediately reply that they want to get laid in several imaginative ways. The woman replies that the house is extremely busy and that there is only one girl available so the men will have to come in one at a time. After a short argument the first sailor goes in while his buddies wait for him on the stoop.

Twenty minutes later he comes out the door grinning and tells his buddies, "Man that was great, she stuck a pineapple over my dick and then she ate it off." The next sailor goes in and he is gone for fourty minutes before he comes out smiling broadly, "She stuck two pineapples over my dick and then she ate them off!" He proclaimed loudly to his buddies.

The third sailor goes in and is gone for almost an hour and a half, his buddies are just on the verge of leaving when suddenly he staggers out of the door seeming barely able to walk.

"Man that was the best, the absolute best I have ever had in my life" he said with a grin stretching from ear to ear. "She stuck two pineapples some whipped cream and a cherry on my dick, and it looked so damn good I had to eat it off myself!"

*Ba-dum-tish*

/groan

898 sattv4u2  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:50:55pm

re: #896 Irenicum

Some of the Catholic girls I knew back in NYC were most definitely wild.

I call BullShit

Give me their phone numbers so I can research!!
//

899 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:51:26pm

re: #886 SanFranciscoZionist

Ethnic factions are 'the intractable cause of the Israeli conflict'. Religion is window dressing.

Ethnic factions that just happen to organize around religious identity.

900 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:51:33pm

OK. All this talk of meat has me heading to the local all-night store for jerky.

Back in an onanistic jiff.

901 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:52:05pm

re: #789 Cato the Elder

Or, you could just stop with the dumb-ass extraneous apostrophes following words like "gonna".

Stop.

902 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:52:09pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

Religion can do that to a girl. ;)

903 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:52:23pm

re: #520 prairiefire

Wow. Did you follow all of the NASA programs leading up to the moon?

Yep. The week of the moon landing I was almost in a daze. Just watched TV nonstop. Almost didn't sleep. It was hypnotic. And glorious. And especially grand considering the fiasco of our fist launch attempt, which was a hard pill to swallow for a kid.

904 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:52:27pm

re: #606 NJDhockeyfan

Another Roman Polanski victim comes forward...

New Accuser Alleges Sexual Abuse by Roman Polanski

There are dozens, at least, out there. Anyone thought that he got his act together after fleeing the country? No, he just found a circle where abusing little girls was considered sophisticated and artistic, rather than criminal.

He has no remorse, and the people backing him up are out of their goddamn minds.

I used to LIKE Whoopi Goldberg.

905 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:52:56pm

re: #851 prairiefire

It's Friday. I guess there has to be a brawl somewhere.

*smack*

906 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:53:06pm

re: #846 Cato the Elder

Only thing lacking is a tasty troll.

If we don't get one, I'll be forced to patronize the local eeevul 7-Eleven for dragon wings!

No kidding. Lacking a roast-able troll, I had to have a piece of chicken and some watermelon for dinner.

Fortunately I have some chocolate to comfort me.

907 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:53:30pm

re: #885 Irenicum

I'm a confirmed Episcopalian. I have not been to that church in a while. I enjoyed the service quite a lot. Much more ceremony than my Presbyterian background.

908 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:53:53pm

Nighty all. (I hate to leave before SFZ graded my paper)
//

909 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:54:00pm

re: #625 Cannadian Club Akbar

jamesfirecat talked me into my first downding today. Was worth it.

It was a special situation. I quite agree.

910 swamprat  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:54:01pm

re: #878 SanFranciscoZionist

In the actual book, "the princess bride", the quote was, "never get in a war with a German madman", or something similar. I tried to read the book but some of the references were obscure. The best line in the book was...."laughing, the man fell dead."

911 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:54:19pm

re: #900 Cato the Elder

Jerky. Riiight.

912 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:55:04pm

re: #895 SanFranciscoZionist

Zionism is based on nineteenth-twentieth century concepts of ethnic nationalism and self-determination, far more than it is 'based' on religious concepts.

SFZ--you have said in the past that to be Jewish is a cultural phenomenon that is separate from religion.That nationalism has a firm basis in the biblical claim that god gave the Jews Isreal as their home land.

913 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:55:06pm

re: #872 McSpiff

I don't agree with you often about these sorts of things, but that was a very well put together list of concerns, presented in a reasonable fashion.Thanks for that, totally worth the upding.

Thanks very much that was kind of you, but remember...if you agree with more than 4 of my posts in a row then you should call your doctor.

914 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:55:23pm

re: #878 SanFranciscoZionist

For that matter, the old-school PLO did a fairly secular Marxist line, and they still killed Israelis.

This is, people, a land war in Asia. What's the rule about a land war in Asia?

Israel has no place to run. And it's not about Israel as Israel in Arab lands. It's about Israel as a home of the Jews. If the U.S. were to give the Aleutian Islands to Israel as a home in lieu of Israel, and if Israel accepted the offer, the Muslim world would in a matter of weeks discover the Ching-Run the Navigator had claimed those islands for China and for dar al Islam in 1392.

And they'd wage war to liberate Kiska, site of the 4th holiest mosque in the world.

915 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:55:45pm

re: #877 Irenicum

Why do I have a Billy Joel song going through my head right now?

Was it this one?:

Youtube Video
916 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:56:32pm

re: #914 lostlakehiker

nailed it

917 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:56:34pm

re: #905 Floral Giraffe

*smack*

*shove*

918 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:56:55pm

re: #680 BryanS

Isreal and Egypt seem to have some common ground on Gaza, of all things. Politics in the middle east makes strange bedfellows indeed.

It's a border situation. No one wants it, and they both have to deal with it.

919 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:57:08pm

re: #917 prairiefire

*shove*

*hard push*

920 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:57:32pm

re: #913 Spare O'Lake

Or if it lasts for more than four hours. Definitely call a doctor then.
/

921 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:58:04pm

re: #915 Dark_Falcon

Such a great song. Gotta love Billy.

922 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:58:04pm

re: #917 prairiefire

*shove*

*THUMP!* [crunch]

923 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:58:45pm

re: #918 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a border situation. No one wants it, and they both have to deal with it.

It's an Iran thing. No Iran supporting Hamas, no Egyptian national interest.

924 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:59:05pm

re: #921 Irenicum

Such a great song. Gotta love Billy.

I've always loved his music. Unlike some other musicians, I can actually sing most of his songs and stay on key.

925 prairiefire  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:59:15pm

re: #919 Floral Giraffe

Quite it. I'm almost done with my kettle corn popcorn. Night, lizards

926 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:59:34pm

re: #922 Dark_Falcon

*THUMP!* [crunch]

Watch out for the broken glass.
STAND STILL.
I'll get the broom & dustpan.

927 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 9:59:40pm

re: #906 freetoken

No kidding. Lacking a roast-able troll, I had to have a piece of chicken and some watermelon for dinner.

Fortunately I have some chocolate to comfort me.

Chicken and watermelon?

With that avatar?

;-)

928 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:00:16pm

re: #907 prairiefire

I started out very low church, but have been moving to more liturgical and sacramental theology over the years.

929 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:00:52pm

re: #755 austin_blue

((Although Jerusalem appears in the Hebrew Bible 669 times, it is not mentioned in the Pentateuch.))

Which is interesting. In the Torah, it is referred to as the place that God will choose. Obviously, at the time of the writing of the Pentateuch, the City had not been founded, or at least was not the center of Jewish religion. It was still dispersed.

The city had certainly been founded, but at the time described in the Chumash, was not a Jewish town. Jerusalem was taken by David, and ultimately supplanted Shiloh as the cult center of proto-Judaism.

930 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:01:30pm

nytol

931 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:01:55pm

re: #930 Spare O'Lake

excedrin.

932 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:02:10pm

re: #765 bratwurst

But the Torah does not cover David, much less Solomon.

People are using 'Torah' and 'Tanach' interchangeably in this conversation. You might be clearer if you used 'Chumash' for the Five Books. 'Torah' is a sort of quicksilver term in common usage.

933 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:02:30pm

re: #927 austin_blue

Chicken and watermelon?

With that avatar?

;-)

RACIST!!

/

934 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:03:13pm

U.S. Said to Allow Drilling Without Needed Permits

WASHINGTON — The federal Minerals Management Service gave permission to BP and dozens of other oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico without first getting required permits from another agency that assesses threats to endangered species — and despite strong warnings from that agency about the impact the drilling was likely to have on the gulf.

Those approvals, federal records show, include one for the well drilled by the Deepwater Horizon rig, which exploded on April 20, killing 11 workers and resulting in thousands of barrels of oil spilling into the gulf each day.

The Minerals Management Service, or M.M.S., also routinely overruled its staff biologists and engineers who raised concerns about the safety and the environmental impact of certain drilling proposals in the gulf and in Alaska, according to a half-dozen current and former agency scientists.

Those scientists said they were also regularly pressured by agency officials to change the findings of their internal studies if they predicted that an accident was likely to occur or if wildlife might be harmed.

935 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:03:25pm

re: #927 austin_blue

Yes, I told the truth. Roast chicken (one leg, one breast - heh, I'm both a leg and breast man!) And a mini watermelon, from Mexico (whose watermelons tend to be better than those we get from AZ.)

I was wondering if anybody would make a comment about my dinner... I did not expect it to be you, though.

936 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:03:46pm

re: #795 Cannadian Club Akbar

So is Ketchup!!
/

Two vegetables on the plate! Now we're eatin' healthy!!

937 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:03:50pm

re: #907 prairiefire

I'm a confirmed Episcopalian. I have not been to that church in a while. I enjoyed the service quite a lot. Much more ceremony than my Presbyterian background.

All the Catholic pomp without the guilt.

Note that our our reconfigured SCOTUS may be *all* about Catholic and Jewish guilt.

As a retired Catholic, I can't wait! Oy vay!

//Ooga booga!

938 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:04:43pm

re: #934 NJDhockeyfan

The federal Minerals Management Service has had plenty of "drilling" issues of its own, if you know what I mean. Wink wink, nod nod.

939 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:04:48pm

re: #808 Cannadian Club Akbar

If people realized how much sugar was in orange juice, like ketchup, it would be banned.

I love it, but it's sugar out the wazoo. I cut it with soda water, to get the taste but less calorie per gulp.

Plus, it's fizzy.

940 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:05:37pm

re: #818 Walter L. Newton

How are you tonight?

Quite all right.

941 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:05:40pm

re: #935 freetoken

I prefer dark meat myself. Oh wait you were talking about chicken. My bad.

942 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:06:04pm

I so shouldn't have just said that.

943 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:06:05pm

re: #911 Irenicum

Jerky. Riiight.

Might not mean the same to you.

I'm Catholic.

944 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:06:05pm

re: #939 SanFranciscoZionist

ahh one of my favorite tricks....my friends used to think i was weird...

945 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:06:23pm

The OT mentions Jerusalem if nopt by name, then by location.

The reason the Temple was built there is because that is where Abraham offered to sacrifice Isaac. The place at the time was unnamed. Other biblical events also took place there.

The fact that the name 'Jerusalem' was not used is not relevant. It is about a location.

'America' existed as a place long before it was named after Amerigo Vespucci.

The name is irrelevant.

946 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:06:28pm

re: #937 austin_blue

All the Catholic pomp without the guilt.

Note that our our reconfigured SCOTUS may be *all* about Catholic and Jewish guilt.

As a retired Catholic, I can't wait! Oy vay!

//Ooga booga!

Funny how Buchanan worries over there being too many Jews but not too many Catholics on the SCOTUS. Wonder if he hates one more than the other?/

947 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:07:15pm

re: #912 BryanS

SFZ--you have said in the past that to be Jewish is a cultural phenomenon that is separate from religion.That nationalism has a firm basis in the biblical claim that god gave the Jews Isreal as their home land.

Learn to spell "Israel" before you presume to talk about it.

And "homeland" is one word.

948 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:07:41pm

re: #899 BryanS

Ethnic factions that just happen to organize around religious identity.

The Israelites conquered Canaan around 1200 BCE and the Jews have been living there ever since.

Zionism has little if anything to do with religion. As the Jewish homeland, Israel is there for all Jews, religious or not, to live.

949 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:07:53pm

re: #947 Cato the Elder

Learn to spell "Israel" before you presume to talk about it.

And "homeland" is one word.

Meh.

950 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:08:04pm

re: #928 Irenicum

I started out very low church, but have been moving to more liturgical and sacramental theology over the years.

Careful. You might end up Orthodox.

951 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:08:04pm

I feel like I'm getting a Shabbas message a little early. I love this place.

952 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:08:17pm

re: #895 SanFranciscoZionist

Zionism is based on nineteenth-twentieth century concepts of ethnic nationalism and self-determination, far more than it is 'based' on religious concepts.

How about it simply being based on every country that your ethnic/religious group had ever taken up residence in eventually creating laws to single you out, make you live in ghettos, restrict your commerce, restrict your movements, restrict your practice of your religion, occasionally go on pogroms and slaughter large numbers of you?

People seem to think that Hitler invented slaughtering Jews, far fucking from it, he was just perhaps the most prolific. The "Christian" crusaders slaughtered at least 130,000 Jews and perhaps as many as 400,000 according to the historians.

Exactly what is wrong with them wanting their own country and their own government when every over one, every single one, that they have dealt with in all of recorded history has betrayed them and allowed to be treated like second class citizens and even murdered and brutalized with impunity?

953 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:08:19pm

re: #945 researchok

I should have made clear I was referring to the Bible portion of the OT.

954 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:08:55pm

re: #950 Cato the Elder

I have quite a few friends who are. Not likely with me though. Still to much prot blood flowing through these veins.

955 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:09:15pm

re: #929 SanFranciscoZionist

The city had certainly been founded, but at the time described in the Chumash, was not a Jewish town. Jerusalem was taken by David, and ultimately supplanted Shiloh as the cult center of proto-Judaism.

My point exactly. Although Jerusalem became the center of the religion, it certainly did not start that way. It was not the seat of Judaism. As it was not the seat of Islam. It was certainly not the "seat" of Christianity until the Crusades when that concept became ingrained in the Christian Ethos. As a religious entity, the City has been shared as a tripartate entity for a long time.

Why shouldn't it stay that way?

Oh, wait...extremists.

956 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:09:40pm

re: #941 Irenicum

I prefer dark meat myself. Oh wait you were talking about chicken. My bad.

SMACK!

957 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:09:44pm

re: #899 BryanS

Ethnic factions that just happen to organize around religious identity.

To some extent, but then look at the way Jordan treats their Palestinian inhabitants, or the way Egypt treats Somali refugees...it's not so simple.

958 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:10:26pm

re: #949 BryanS

Meh.

Bleh. Feh. Skeh.

959 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:11:17pm

re: #912 BryanS

SFZ--you have said in the past that to be Jewish is a cultural phenomenon that is separate from religion.That nationalism has a firm basis in the biblical claim that god gave the Jews Isreal as their home land.

To some extent, yes. The connection to the Land had certainly continued throughout the period of the diaspora.

960 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:12:31pm

re: #935 freetoken

Yes, I told the truth. Roast chicken (one leg, one breast - heh, I'm both a leg and breast man!) And a mini watermelon, from Mexico (whose watermelons tend to be better than those we get from AZ.)

I was wondering if anybody would make a comment about my dinner... I did not expect it to be you, though.

Hey, there was a big ol'

;-)

down there.

961 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:13:08pm

re: #954 Irenicum

I have quite a few friends who are. Not likely with me though. Still to much prot blood flowing through these veins.

Once you set out from your front door, you never know where the road will take you.

Good on you for settin' out.

962 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:13:14pm

re: #945 researchok

The OT mentions Jerusalem if nopt by name, then by location.

The reason the Temple was built there is because that is where Abraham offered to sacrifice Isaac. The place at the time was unnamed. Other biblical events also took place there.

The fact that the name 'Jerusalem' was not used is not relevant. It is about a location.

'America' existed as a place long before it was named after Amerigo Vespucci.

The name is irrelevant.

I recently came upon a beautiful piece explaining the Jewish relationship with Jerusalem. I lost it, but I'm looking!

963 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:13:47pm

re: #959 SanFranciscoZionist

To some extent, yes. The connection to the Land had certainly continued throughout the period of the diaspora.



"Zionism does not have it’s origin in religious expression. In fact, Zionism was a social and political movement founded and propagated by secular Jews. That idea was not well received by religious Jews. Initially, despite the daily prayers for redemption and return to the Holy Land, religious Jews wanted no part of a political movement that would bring them back to Israel without God’s endorsement. With the passage of time, that attitude would change- but not entirely. There are still very religious Jews that remain anti Zionist, but they are a decidedly fringe minority."
964 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:14:49pm

re: #946 BryanS

Funny how Buchanan worries over there being too many Jews but not too many Catholics on the SCOTUS. Wonder if he hates one more than the other?/

I've always thought that PB was a self-loathing bastard. That level of hate has to be coming from somewhere deep in his id. It certainly isn't normal/human.

965 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:15:13pm

re: #952 ausador

How about it simply being based on every country that your ethnic/religious group had ever taken up residence in eventually creating laws to single you out, make you live in ghettos, restrict your commerce, restrict your movements, restrict your practice of your religion, occasionally go on pogroms and slaughter large numbers of you?

People seem to think that Hitler invented slaughtering Jews, far fucking from it, he was just perhaps the most prolific. The "Christian" crusaders slaughtered at least 130,000 Jews and perhaps as many as 400,000 according to the historians.

Exactly what is wrong with them wanting their own country and their own government when every over one, every single one, that they have dealt with in all of recorded history has betrayed them and allowed to be treated like second class citizens and even murdered and brutalized with impunity?

Uh, absolutely nothing. Please note my nic.

I personally think that the piece many people don't get about the founding of Israel is the Yishuv. There's an insufficient knowledge of how much of an established ethnic minority in the area Jews were, previous to the forties.

966 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:16:59pm

re: #945 researchok

The reason the Temple was built there is because that is where Abraham offered to sacrifice Isaac.

And that's the excuse the Islamic usurpers use to slurp up the Temple Mount.

It was Ishmael or some other bastard who took the crown.

Meh. Feh. Bleh.

967 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:17:40pm

re: #955 austin_blue

My point exactly. Although Jerusalem became the center of the religion, it certainly did not start that way. It was not the seat of Judaism. As it was not the seat of Islam. It was certainly not the "seat" of Christianity until the Crusades when that concept became ingrained in the Christian Ethos. As a religious entity, the City has been shared as a tripartate entity for a long time.

Why shouldn't it stay that way?

Oh, wait...extremists.

Oh, come on. I vaguely see where you're going with this, but Jerusalem has been the center of Judaism for THREE THOUSAND YEARS. And under Israeli ownership it is a multiethnic, multifaith city.

968 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:18:27pm

re: #948 marjoriemoon

The Israelites conquered Canaan around 1200 BCE and the Jews have been living there ever since.

Zionism has little if anything to do with religion. As the Jewish homeland, Israel is there for all Jews, religious or not, to live.

But why was a Jewish homeland made where it is right now?

The "Jewish homeland" was Poland before WWII. according to these stats for Europe. The US also had sizable Jewish populations. I've been looking for some stats on Jewish population in Isreal when it was Palestine--pre WWII. Haven't found reputable seeming sources yet, but based on what I'm finding it seems the area was majority Arab populations except for Jerusalem.

969 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:19:19pm

re: #968 BryanS

But why was a Jewish homeland made where it is right now?

The "Jewish homeland" was Poland before WWII. according to these stats for Europe. The US also had sizable Jewish populations. I've been looking for some stats on Jewish population in Isreal when it was Palestine--pre WWII. Haven't found reputable seeming sources yet, but based on what I'm finding it seems the area was majority Arab populations except for Jerusalem.

The State of Israel was born on May 14, 1948. A partition plan, creating two states, Israel and Palestine, was ratified by the United Nations. Unlike virtually every other nation before her, Israel’s borders were not defined by conflict, but rather, by treaty. Notwithstanding that reality, the Arab world rejected the UN partition and Arab initiated wars created new boundaries. It was Arab hostilities that made Israel an equal among nations. Virtually every country and virtually all national boundaries are arrived at by virtue of conflict. Arab world hostilities gave Israel and Zionism their international bona fides. There is no difference between the boundaries of Israel and any other nation.

970 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:20:49pm

re: #969 researchok

and the arabs haven't stopped whining about it since....

971 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:20:55pm

re: #961 Cato the Elder

Thanks Cato. I've become quite a bit more ecumenical over the years, and that's a good thing. As I've said to friends, I'm less certain about more things and more certain about less things. But that's just a new way to say what the church fathers' said many moons ago: In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.

972 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:21:24pm

re: #964 austin_blue

I've always thought that PB was a self-loathing bastard. That level of hate has to be coming from somewhere deep in his id. It certainly isn't normal/human.

See, I have my doubts as to whether he is human. Is it too much for an atheist to posit he is actually the antichrist, and therefore not human?

973 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:22:18pm

re: #968 BryanS

But why was a Jewish homeland made where it is right now?

The "Jewish homeland" was Poland before WWII. according to these stats for Europe. The US also had sizable Jewish populations. I've been looking for some stats on Jewish population in Isreal when it was Palestine--pre WWII. Haven't found reputable seeming sources yet, but based on what I'm finding it seems the area was majority Arab populations except for Jerusalem.

Poland was a major population center, but the Jews of Iraq would sure have been startled as hell to learn it was their homeland.

By 1880, Jews were about six percent of the population of Palestine.

974 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:23:12pm

re: #972 BryanS

pb ain't got the juice to be the A-C
he's just an asshole.

975 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:23:24pm

re: #969 researchok

The State of Israel was born on May 14, 1948. A partition plan, creating two states, Israel and Palestine, was ratified by the United Nations. Unlike virtually every other nation before her, Israel’s borders were not defined by conflict, but rather, by treaty. Notwithstanding that reality, the Arab world rejected the UN partition and Arab initiated wars created new boundaries. It was Arab hostilities that made Israel an equal among nations. Virtually every country and virtually all national boundaries are arrived at by virtue of conflict. Arab world hostilities gave Israel and Zionism their international bona fides. There is no difference between the boundaries of Israel and any other nation.

There actually is a difference: Many countries don't have multiple hostile forces on their borders ready to attack at any opportunity.

976 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:23:36pm

re: #973 SanFranciscoZionist

Poland was a major population center, but the Jews of Iraq would sure have been startled as hell to learn it was their homeland.

By 1880, Jews were about six percent of the population of Palestine.

Sorry, didn't finish.

By 1922 it was 11 percent, by 1937, almost 28.

977 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:25:34pm

re: #968 BryanS

But why was a Jewish homeland made where it is right now?

The "Jewish homeland" was Poland before WWII. according to these stats for Europe. The US also had sizable Jewish populations. I've been looking for some stats on Jewish population in Isreal when it was Palestine--pre WWII. Haven't found reputable seeming sources yet, but based on what I'm finding it seems the area was majority Arab populations except for Jerusalem.

The Zionist idea grew from Theodor Herzl at the turn of the century for the Jews to return to their homeland. I don't think you're understanding that. It wasn't picked willy nilly out of the air. Herzl understood, like all Jews understood, that they will not be safe out of their own country. Certainly at this time. And yet it took 50 years after that to get it done.

The Jews have lived in Israel before the Arabs were Arabs. Before Islam and before Christianity, some 3800 years when Abraham bought the first plot of land in Hebron. I don't know how else to answer you.

978 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:26:16pm

re: #973 SanFranciscoZionist

Poland was a major population center, but the Jews of Iraq would sure have been startled as hell to learn it was their homeland.

By 1880, Jews were about six percent of the population of Palestine.

Right, so obviously Isreal became a Jewish homeland for some reason--could it be scripture? My point was only that except for Jerusalem, the percentage of population in Palestine did not make it the obvious place to make a Jewish homeland.

979 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:27:04pm

re: #977 marjoriemoon

Not to butt in, but I think you've just given the best reason this evening. Nicely done.

980 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:27:40pm

re: #978 BryanS

Why can't you spell "Israel" properly?

981 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:28:33pm

re: #967 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, come on. I vaguely see where you're going with this, but Jerusalem has been the center of Judaism for THREE THOUSAND YEARS. And under Israeli ownership it is a multiethnic, multifaith city.

Yes, but it has only been under "Israeli ownership" since 1967. Which is 43 years out of THREE THOUSAND YEARS.

And things have certainly been calm, cool, and collected since then, haven't they?

Considering the previous 2,957 years...

I really don't want to jam you on this since I have no real dog in this hunt, but the Israeli occupation of Jerusalem since 1967 has been a disaster for everyone involved. Better to have left it an open city.

982 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:29:02pm

re: #977 marjoriemoon

The Zionist idea grew from Theodor Herzl at the turn of the century for the Jews to return to their homeland. I don't think you're understanding that. It wasn't picked willy nilly out of the air. Herzl understood, like all Jews understood, that they will not be safe out of their own country. Certainly at this time. And yet it took 50 years after that to get it done.

The Jews have lived in Israel before the Arabs were Arabs. Before Islam and before Christianity, some 3800 years when Abraham bought the first plot of land in Hebron. I don't know how else to answer you.

I think what I'd like for people to understand is that Israel, like any other country, evolved organically. There was a religious aspect, sure, and an historical one. There was also a lot of happenstance, and complex politics. But Jordan, whose borders and population makeup go back to this same convoluted period of time as the Ottomans and then the Brits slice up the map of the Levant, doesn't get this same incessant questioning about where there, why then, why these people. They are given, without question, the status of being a real country on the ground.

983 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:30:47pm

re: #971 Irenicum

Thanks Cato. I've become quite a bit more ecumenical over the years, and that's a good thing. As I've said to friends, I'm less certain about more things and more certain about less things. But that's just a new way to say what the church fathers' said many moons ago: In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.

Harumph.

To nonbelievers, this is meaningless.

To me, it means the world.

My late best friend, dead these the ten years, Orthodox convert, told me this: "We may know who is not in the Church, but we cannot know who is in the Church. And we may know who is in the Church, but we cannot know who is not in the Church."

Think about that.

984 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:30:53pm

re: #978 BryanS

Right, so obviously Isreal became a Jewish homeland for some reason--could it be scripture? My point was only that except for Jerusalem, the percentage of population in Palestine did not make it the obvious place to make a Jewish homeland.

Israel was always the homeland. Any Jew on the street in the eighteenth century could have told you that. So yes, the scriptural/historical connection was part of it. Jews chose to go back to their ancestral land, rather than, I dunno, Uganda.

985 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:31:03pm

re: #982 SanFranciscoZionist

I think what I'd like for people to understand is that Israel, like any other country, evolved organically. There was a religious aspect, sure, and an historical one. There was also a lot of happenstance, and complex politics. But Jordan, whose borders and population makeup go back to this same convoluted period of time as the Ottomans and then the Brits slice up the map of the Levant, doesn't get this same incessant questioning about where there, why then, why these people. They are given, without question, the status of being a real country on the ground.

Yup.

Read Sykes-Picot and Balfour.

Funny how people are sympathetic to the Kurds, et al, but not the Jews.

986 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:31:31pm

re: #982 SanFranciscoZionist

Also a very good point. People who argue historical issues need to account for the whole story, not just the side that supports their side.

987 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:31:38pm

re: #980 Floral Giraffe

Why can't you spell "Israel" properly?

Because he has hinten und vorne no clue?

988 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:32:02pm

re: #980 Floral Giraffe

Why can't you spell "Israel" properly?

Eh..just typing it how it sounds and not catching myself sometimes. How often do I type the word Israel ? In a year's time not even a fraction of the times I have tonight.

I just find it interesting that there is so much resistance to the idea that religion of Israelites can possibly be a significant impediment to the problem in the middle east--beyond acknowledging the obvious that religion of the Arab populations is an impediment. It seems to be a big blind spot for many.

989 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:33:16pm

re: #981 austin_blue

Yes, but it has only been under "Israeli ownership" since 1967. Which is 43 years out of THREE THOUSAND YEARS.

And things have certainly been calm, cool, and collected since then, haven't they?

Considering the previous 2,957 years...

I really don't want to jam you on this since I have no real dog in this hunt, but the Israeli occupation of Jerusalem since 1967 has been a disaster for everyone involved. Better to have left it an open city.

It wasn't an open city before then, though the UN proposed such a status and the Jews accepted that proposal. The Arabs rejected it, however and chose violence. They have yet to divert from that course they chose in 1948. Israel would likely still be willing to make Jerusalem (or least the Old City) and international zone if that zone was administered fairly. Sadly, with the current composition and attitude of the UN, there is little likely hood of such fairness.

990 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:33:28pm

re: #984 SanFranciscoZionist

Israel was always the homeland. Any Jew on the street in the eighteenth century could have told you that. So yes, the scriptural/historical connection was part of it. Jews chose to go back to their ancestral land, rather than, I dunno, Uganda.

I would have to say Israel is probably much nicer than Uganda--but I guess one makes the best of things wherever one settles down.

991 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:33:40pm

re: #988 BryanS

Eh..just typing it how it sounds and not catching myself sometimes. How often do I type the word Israel ? In a year's time not even a fraction of the times I have tonight.

I just find it interesting that there is so much resistance to the idea that religion of Israelites can possibly be a significant impediment to the problem in the middle east--beyond acknowledging the obvious that religion of the Arab populations is an impediment. It seems to be a big blind spot for many.

You want a blind spot?

Come a little closer.

See now?

992 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:34:05pm

re: #978 BryanS

Right, so obviously Isreal became a Jewish homeland for some reason--could it be scripture? My point was only that except for Jerusalem, the percentage of population in Palestine did not make it the obvious place to make a Jewish homeland.

Had the Jews been afforded equal rights (and the same can be said for Gypsies and other minorities) Israel would have remained a religious ideal.

The regularly scheduled Saturday night pogroms might have played a role in encouraging the State of Israel.

993 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:35:14pm

re: #981 austin_blue

Yes, but it has only been under "Israeli ownership" since 1967. Which is 43 years out of THREE THOUSAND YEARS.

And things have certainly been calm, cool, and collected since then, haven't they?

Considering the previous 2,957 years...

I really don't want to jam you on this since I have no real dog in this hunt, but the Israeli occupation of Jerusalem since 1967 has been a disaster for everyone involved. Better to have left it an open city.

The previous 2,957 were not exactly a cakewalk. Why, exactly, was it better for Jordan to have it than for Israel to have it?

994 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:36:12pm

re: #988 BryanS

the real impediment is (para phrasing)that if the pali's laid down their weapons,there would be peace,if the Israeli's laid down their weapons,there would be a massacre.

995 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:36:47pm

re: #983 Cato the Elder

I will have to think about that. It's Friday night and Mr Guinness is currently doing my thinking for me.

996 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:37:05pm

re: #988 BryanS

Eh..just typing it how it sounds and not catching myself sometimes. How often do I type the word Israel ? In a year's time not even a fraction of the times I have tonight.

I just find it interesting that there is so much resistance to the idea that religion of Israelites can possibly be a significant impediment to the problem in the middle east--beyond acknowledging the obvious that religion of the Arab populations is an impediment. It seems to be a big blind spot for many.

It's part of a very complex big picture. I certainly don't deny that religion is part of it, but there are a lot of other parts.

997 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:37:50pm

re: #982 SanFranciscoZionist

I think what I'd like for people to understand is that Israel, like any other country, evolved organically. There was a religious aspect, sure, and an historical one. There was also a lot of happenstance, and complex politics. But Jordan, whose borders and population makeup go back to this same convoluted period of time as the Ottomans and then the Brits slice up the map of the Levant, doesn't get this same incessant questioning about where there, why then, why these people. They are given, without question, the status of being a real country on the ground.

You're speaking of modern day and I'm totally with ya. Bryan doesn't seem to get the historical significance, though and I think you need an understanding of that.

998 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:37:58pm

Geography is always a disputed concept.

999 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:38:11pm

re: #987 Cato the Elder

LOL!
I keep having to look up or translate things you post!
How is the dear old Roman, tonight?
And your Kindo, too?

1000 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:38:40pm

re: #989 Dark_Falcon

It wasn't an open city before then, though the UN proposed such a status and the Jews accepted that proposal. The Arabs rejected it, however and chose violence. They have yet to divert from that course they chose in 1948. Israel would likely still be willing to make Jerusalem (or least the Old City) and international zone if that zone was administered fairly. Sadly, with the current composition and attitude of the UN, there is little likely hood of such fairness.

Jordan blocked off access to Jewish holy sites, and was very chary about allowing access to Christian ones.

Israel has made the mosques and churches of Jerusalem available and allowed them to operate freely. If we're judging by who has done best by an ideal of a city holy to three religions, Israel wins.

1001 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:38:42pm

re: #979 Irenicum

Not to butt in, but I think you've just given the best reason this evening. Nicely done.

Thanks. I'm gonna pay for this in the morning. It's way past my bedtime!

1002 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:39:43pm

re: #1001 marjoriemoon

Bed time? What's that?

1003 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:40:12pm

I'm needing some random Jerry Garcia music.

1004 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:40:40pm

re: #995 Irenicum

I will have to think about that. It's Friday night and Mr Guinness is currently doing my thinking for me.

As long as Mssrs. Smith and Wesson are out of reach, I'm good with Mr. Guinness.

1005 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:40:46pm

re: #993 SanFranciscoZionist

The previous 2,957 were not exactly a cakewalk. Why, exactly, was it better for Jordan to have it than for Israel to have it?

Jerusalem is an open city now. It was not open before 1967.

In 1967, what Israel found in the West Bank and Jerusalem was appalling. Despite repeated promises and agreements, Jordan had never allowed Jews to their holy sites and Houses of Worship. There was a reason for that. Every single Jewish House of Worship was destroyed- all of them. The tombstones of the Mount Olives cemetery, millenia old, were desecrated. Many were used to line latrines and as sewage conduits by the residents and the Arab occupants of Jerusalem. The area in front of the Wailing Wall, the most sacred of Jewish holy sites was a garbage dump, some 60 feet deep, by some estimates. Yes, there are photos and other documented evidence of these realities.

1006 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:40:50pm

re: #978 BryanS

Right, so obviously Isreal became a Jewish homeland for some reason--could it be scripture? My point was only that except for Jerusalem, the percentage of population in Palestine did not make it the obvious place to make a Jewish homeland.

Sure and maybe Spain should have been their historical homeland since a large majority of the Jews lived there during some of the middle ages period, well until Spain turned on them too once the Moorish influence was gone and killed them or deported them by the the thousands.

Then again maybe they should have their own country where they have a almost 3000 year history that is historically verifiable of their occupancy and sometimes ownership of the land?

1007 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:41:14pm

re: #997 marjoriemoon

You're speaking of modern day and I'm totally with ya. Bryan doesn't seem to get the historical significance, though and I think you need an understanding of that.

It helps to have the historical understanding, but I'm tired of having the 'well, just because your God says' argument.

Israel is a modern state. It is just a real and valid and flawed as any other little Middle Eastern state. And frankly, it might not have had enough population to survive in a tough neighborhood if its Arab neighbors had not helpfully kicked their Jews out to contribute to the new little state.

Why talk about 'why there'? Why is Jordan there? Why is Lebanon there?

1008 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:42:12pm

re: #1004 Cato the Elder

For me it's Mr Barcardi that has that effect. Haven't cavorted with him for years though.

1009 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:45:26pm

re: #996 SanFranciscoZionist

It's part of a very complex big picture. I certainly don't deny that religion is part of it, but there are a lot of other parts.

I guess starting since earlier upthread, I was given grief for even suggesting religion from the Israeli side had anything to do with the problem. I certainly understand the history of how Israel got to be where it is now--contrary to soft peddled suggestions by others (not you) that I have some sort of holocaust denialism/bigotry that prevents me from seeing how much the Jews suffered.

Any Israeli leader is under enormous political pressure to not give up any ground by the religious elements of their society. Any leader who does so, only does so because of the moderating effects I believe a democracy gives them.

1010 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:45:31pm

OK, I'm outta here. Night all.

1011 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:45:50pm

re: #999 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
I keep having to look up or translate things you post!
How is the dear old Roman, tonight?
And your Kindo, too?

My Kindle is fine, and full of books. But I presume you mean my best boy, the great direwolf, the incomparable Jindo, Haku.

Here's just how he looks today. (Note: big image. Click to get full view.)

1012 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:47:18pm

re: #1000 SanFranciscoZionist

Jordan blocked off access to Jewish holy sites, and was very chary about allowing access to Christian ones.

Israel has made the mosques and churches of Jerusalem available and allowed them to operate freely. If we're judging by who has done best by an ideal of a city holy to three religions, Israel wins.

Quite Concur.

1013 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:47:54pm

re: #989 Dark_Falcon

It wasn't an open city before then, though the UN proposed such a status and the Jews accepted that proposal. The Arabs rejected it, however and chose violence. They have yet to divert from that course they chose in 1948. Israel would likely still be willing to make Jerusalem (or least the Old City) and international zone if that zone was administered fairly. Sadly, with the current composition and attitude of the UN, there is little likely hood of such fairness.

Actually, it *was* an open City before 1967. Really. The Arabs never enforced the rejection. It was a live and let live status quo until '67. No Israeli cops in the Al-Aqsa mosque. No Arabs pitching shit on worshipers at the Wailing Wall. No Israeli incursions into East Jerusalem to build enclaves. Stasis.

Again, the Israeli actions have been a disaster for what was fundamentally a quiet town to prior to '67.

Just sayin'..

1014 What, me worry?  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:48:21pm

re: #1007 SanFranciscoZionist

It helps to have the historical understanding, but I'm tired of having the 'well, just because your God says' argument.

Israel is a modern state. It is just a real and valid and flawed as any other little Middle Eastern state. And frankly, it might not have had enough population to survive in a tough neighborhood if its Arab neighbors had not helpfully kicked their Jews out to contribute to the new little state.

Why talk about 'why there'? Why is Jordan there? Why is Lebanon there?

Absolutely. 100%

I admire you that you can talk about Israel as intelligently as BDSM :P

And with that, I have to go too :)

1015 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:48:30pm

re: #1003 Irenicum

I'm needing some random Jerry Garcia music.

How about a little random flamenco?

Youtube Video
1016 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:48:53pm

And in other completely unrelated political news, here's a new liberal version of Drudge called National Confidential. Seems, well, derivative. Is it a good thing to respond to the right wing's flamo tendencies with a left wing replica?

1017 UncleSam  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:49:05pm

William Shirer wrote the definitive book on the Nazi regime, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
It doesn't mean he was a Nazi, which he most certainly wasn't.

1018 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:49:17pm

re: #1010 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'm outta here. Night all.

Nachtigall.

1019 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:51:11pm

re: #1017 UncleSam

I totally thought you wrote William Shatner at first. Wow.

1020 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:51:20pm

The State of Israel deserves to exist because of what that nation has accomplished and achieved. She has contributed mightily to the betterment of her own citizens and to the betterment of the entire world.

Compare her to other nations. She acquits herself better than most.

The Jews- and the State of Israel- are examples of what kind of successes are possible. Despite the history of horrific persecution, they have flourished. Those who hate Jews with the fury of blind rage, are examples of a different kind- of the magnitude of failures and degradations that are possible when the values that elevate man are replaced with the values that humiliate, denigrate and enslave man.

1021 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:52:31pm

re: #1020 researchok

well said

1022 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:52:39pm

re: #1006 ausador

Sure and maybe Spain should have been their historical homeland since a large majority of the Jews lived there during some of the middle ages period, well until Spain turned on them too once the Moorish influence was gone and killed them or deported them by the the thousands.

Then again maybe they should have their own country where they have a almost 3000 year history that is historically verifiable of their occupancy and sometimes ownership of the land?

Sure, why not anywhere else? It's a perfectly valid question. They certainly had to fight hard to get the land they did get. Most national uprisings tend to occur say--where the people are. Tends to be easier to fight for your current home than a homeland you've never been to. I cannot think of a comparable example in history where a country was constituted by a mass migration of people into a particular location.

1023 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:52:54pm

re: #1015 Cato the Elder

I love classical and flamenco guitar. Thanks man.

1024 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:53:41pm

re: #1022 BryanS

the u.s.?

1025 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:54:30pm

re: #1011 Cato the Elder

I'm sorry to keep getting his name wrong.
He's is a beautiful dog, and sounds like a good friend.

1026 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:55:03pm

the franks moving into gaul (france)

1027 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:55:39pm

re: #981 austin_blue

I really don't want to jam you on this since I have no real dog in this hunt,

Well, I don't know if I do either. However, and this is not snark, I don't think I've come across this much cognitive dissonance since I last visited a creationist forum (that was a few hours ago.)

I'm not saying this to be snarky (nor to hurt anyone's feelings.)

On the one hand I'm being told Israel is all about a secular movement (about self realized nationalism), and on the other hand I'm being told that the purpose for picking that geography is based on the most famous religious book around, the Bible. Even more than that, I'm being told that it is based on a literal reading of what supposedly happened 3800 years ago.

People - there is a real disconnect here.

but the Israeli occupation of Jerusalem since 1967 has been a disaster for everyone involved. Better to have left it an open city.

Not sure on that one, if only because I guess I'm becoming a "doomer" (Cato - watch out, here I come!), and I'm not convinced there is a "better" solution - in the end they all look bad to me (perhaps I'm being too dark, but I can't help but see much more bloodshed in the future.)

1028 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:56:07pm

re: #993 SanFranciscoZionist

The previous 2,957 were not exactly a cakewalk. Why, exactly, was it better for Jordan to have it than for Israel to have it?

They didn't. They had half of it. It was a stable status quo. How has that worked for Israel since '67? How many bus and restaurant bombings does the State have to endure before they 'fess up to the fact that they may have fucked up in the aftermath to the '67 war?

If they had left Jerusalem as an open city, and not expanded into the Arab areas, this would be a non-discussion. And the continuing conflict might (might!) have been avoided.

1029 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:56:58pm

re: #1016 Irenicum

Isn't that a parody site?

1030 UncleSam  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:57:19pm

re: #1019 Irenicum

I totally thought you wrote William Shatner at first. Wow.

No, he wrote The Rise and Fall of the Romulan Empire.

Totally different.
(Just kidding...)

1031 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:57:59pm

re: #1024 Boondock St. Bender

the u.s.?

Nation states didn't exist in the US. Such a concept wasn't here when westerners arrived. But they were colonies, not homelands. The "homeland" came out of the local population uprising and creating their own new identity where they already had been living.

The comparable example might be say every native american migrating to Oklahoma and then getting that state to declare independence and secede from the union--that's a closer analogy (except for the divine claim to the land part) to how the particular nation state Israel was created.

1032 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 10:58:57pm

re: #1029 freetoken

That would kinda fit. I was going by a twitter link. Pretty funny stuff so far.

1033 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:00:16pm

re: #1027 freetoken

You were on a creationist forum??? Had to upding you just for the good fight you mus have put in. Did you get to debate the latest tidbit release on the Creation Safari web site?

1034 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:00:32pm

re: #1030 UncleSam

Though Kirk as a Nazi with Spock as the "alien" was a great episode.

1035 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:00:32pm

re: #1025 Floral Giraffe

I'm sorry to keep getting his name wrong.
He's is a beautiful dog, and sounds like a good friend.

Oh, yeah.

1036 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:01:02pm

re: #1013 austin_blue

Actually, it *was* an open City before 1967. Really. The Arabs never enforced the rejection. It was a live and let live status quo until '67. No Israeli cops in the Al-Aqsa mosque. No Arabs pitching shit on worshipers at the Wailing Wall. No Israeli incursions into East Jerusalem to build enclaves. Stasis.

Again, the Israeli actions have been a disaster for what was fundamentally a quiet town to prior to '67.

Just sayin'..

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. The Jordanians did not allow any Jew into East Jerusalem. They also systematically desecrated all Jewish religious sites in their sector. Their were no worshipers allowed at the Wailing Wall and the Jordanians used the site as a trash dump. Don't fall for Arab propaganda: The Jordanians never ran their part of Jerusalem as an open city.

1037 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:02:28pm

re: #1027 freetoken

My man, at this point I am looking at bloodshed. Between 1956 and 1967, there was almost no violence in that City. Since the '67 war....

1038 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:03:06pm

re: #1036 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. The Jordanians did not allow any Jew into East Jerusalem. They also systematically desecrated all Jewish religious sites in their sector. Their were no worshipers allowed at the Wailing Wall and the Jordanians used the site as a trash dump. Don't fall for Arab propaganda: The Jordanians never ran their part of Jerusalem as an open city.

There is a lot of Arab propaganda and manufacturing of facts. That's why it was so hard for me to find good info on how many Jews lived in Israel before WWII. There are so many obvious hate sites citing bogus stats.

1039 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:04:00pm

My Grandparents were Spanish Jews who fled Spain and came to America just prior to 1930, My father is completely non-religious in practice but is technically a Jew by birth.

I am not in that my mother is not Jewish, but that has not stopped me from researching the history of my ancestors. No country on this planet has ever given Jews equal rights and equal treatment, except perhaps and that just recently, America.

Bitching at the Jews for the "trouble" in the middle east and blaming them for trying to reclaim their ancestral land just proves you to be historically ignorant. Prove to me you actually know what you are talking about BryanS then I just might take you seriously. Or perhaps you really believe that Jews today could and should feel completely safe in Poland?

1040 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:04:05pm

re: #1028 austin_blue

They didn't. They had half of it. It was a stable status quo. How has that worked for Israel since '67? How many bus and restaurant bombings does the State have to endure before they 'fess up to the fact that they may have fucked up in the aftermath to the '67 war?

If they had left Jerusalem as an open city, and not expanded into the Arab areas, this would be a non-discussion. And the continuing conflict might (might!) have been avoided.

Moreover, prior to 1967 Israeli farms and towns were subject to raids by Arabs from the West Bank who attacked with the aim of murdering Jews. And lastly, Israel did offer to negotiate with Jordan and return the West Bank. The Arabs could have gotten Jerusalem as an open city, but instead they chose rejection, violence and war again.

1041 Irenicum  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:04:39pm

Well gang, It's quitin' time for this lizard. See y'all on the other side.

1042 UncleSam  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:05:53pm

re: #1034 Irenicum

Though Kirk as a Nazi with Spock as the "alien" was a great episode.

I'd totally forgotten that episode.

Youtube Video
1043 austin_blue  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:05:59pm

And it's one o'clock and I am a Big Ol' Burnt Orange Pumpkin.

Adios, my friends, Sweet dreams!

1044 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:06:14pm

re: #1041 Irenicum

Hasta, Later.
Be well!

1045 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:06:30pm

re: #1025 Floral Giraffe

Here's how I feel about Haku.

1046 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:07:29pm

re: #1043 austin_blue

And it's one o'clock and I am a Big Ol' Burnt Orange Pumpkin.

Adios, my friends, Sweet dreams!

I've got to get to bed as well. Goodnight, Austin. We'll pick this up another time.

Goodnight, all.

1047 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:07:42pm

re: #1039 ausador

My Grandparents were Spanish Jews who fled Spain and came to America just prior to 1930, My father is completely non-religious in practice but is technically a Jew by birth.

I am not in that my mother is not Jewish, but that has not stopped me from researching the history of my ancestors. No country on this planet has ever given Jews equal rights and equal treatment, except perhaps and that just recently, America.

Bitching at the Jews for the "trouble" in the middle east and blaming them for trying to reclaim their ancestral land just proves you to be historically ignorant. Prove to me you actually know what you are talking about BryanS then I just might take you seriously. Or perhaps you really believe that Jews today could and should feel completely safe in Poland?

Eh...don't really care if you take me seriously. I really don't want to be "bitching at the Jews" and never intended to make them the scapegoat of the problems in the middle east. I only attempted to argue that religion on both sides is the main reason for there not being resolution to the current problems.

1048 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:09:23pm

re: #1047 BryanS

Eh...don't really care if you take me seriously. I really don't want to be "bitching at the Jews" and never intended to make them the scapegoat of the problems in the middle east. I only attempted to argue that religion on both sides is the main reason for there not being resolution to the current problems.

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

1049 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:10:03pm

re: #1040 Dark_Falcon

Moreover, prior to 1967 Israeli farms and towns were subject to raids by Arabs from the West Bank who attacked with the aim of murdering Jews. And lastly, Israel did offer to negotiate with Jordan and return the West Bank. The Arabs could have gotten Jerusalem as an open city, but instead they chose rejection, violence and war again.

Israel really did try to be a 'good neighbor' leading up to the '67 war. The Arabs bear the entire blame for reigniting what could have been a stable detente which could eventually have settled into a lasting peace.

1050 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:11:30pm

re: #1046 Dark_Falcon

Night.

1051 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:15:15pm

re: #1009 BryanS

I guess starting since earlier upthread, I was given grief for even suggesting religion from the Israeli side had anything to do with the problem. I certainly understand the history of how Israel got to be where it is now--contrary to soft peddled suggestions by others (not you) that I have some sort of holocaust denialism/bigotry that prevents me from seeing how much the Jews suffered.

Any Israeli leader is under enormous political pressure to not give up any ground by the religious elements of their society. Any leader who does so, only does so because of the moderating effects I believe a democracy gives them.

Yeah your right, we should have given Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and the lower half of California back to Mexico after the war. After all the majority of the settlers were Mexican and we were occupying their homeland that they had been in for well over a hundred years already.

Nevermind that the land won by Israel was even more sparsely populated then and already in dispute with bordering countries. Nevermind...Israel is obviously acting in bad faith for some...uhmm...religious motivations,(religion BADDD!).

You do realize that you spouting all these left wing talking points without reference to any of the history makes you sound just as ignorant as Palin trying to talk about global warming or evolution don't you? :p

1052 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:22:59pm

re: #988 BryanS

[...] I just find it interesting that there is so much resistance to the idea that religion of Israelites can possibly be a significant impediment [...]

The "religion of Israelites"?

I think you have an impediment, a Stolperstein, a skandolon about Jews.

1053 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:24:54pm

re: #1051 ausador

Yeah your right, we should have given Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and the lower half of California back to Mexico after the war. After all the majority of the settlers were Mexican and we were occupying their homeland that they had been in for well over a hundred years already.

Nevermind that the land won by Israel was even more sparsely populated then and already in dispute with bordering countries. Nevermind...Israel is obviously acting in bad faith for some...uhmm...religious motivations,(religion BADDD!).

You do realize that you spouting all these left wing talking points without reference to any of the history makes you sound just as ignorant as Palin trying to talk about global warming or evolution don't you? :p

Heh...more typically I'm accused of being right wing (actually, happened earlier upthread :) I've really learned my opponent's talking points well !

Israel fought for and won the land it got fair and square. Wars have consequences, sure. But the decades long debacle that has unfolded since the six days war--fought justly by Israel--has not been resolved because religious elements on both sides have dug in. Rabin was assassinated by a Jew, not an Arab. There is a religious extreme in Israel, and settlements are very heavily subsidized--disproportionately to those who further their religious studies. There have been stories written in Jewish press about some resentment towards those who go on in religious studies. They get to skip military obligations every other citizen must meet, and they disproportionately obtain subsidies to live in settlements that are not sustainable.

More often I am on the other side of the argument in defense of Israel. If there are religious reasons on both sides to explain the intractability of the problem, the other side is bat shit crazy.

1054 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:32:46pm

re: #1013 austin_blue

Actually, it *was* an open City before 1967. Really. The Arabs never enforced the rejection. It was a live and let live status quo until '67. No Israeli cops in the Al-Aqsa mosque. No Arabs pitching shit on worshipers at the Wailing Wall. No Israeli incursions into East Jerusalem to build enclaves. Stasis.

Again, the Israeli actions have been a disaster for what was fundamentally a quiet town to prior to '67.

Just sayin'..

Jerusalem was not an open city prior to1967 (the state of Jewish holy sites says it all). There were no Jews for the Arabs to pitch their shit upon.

The Wailing Wall plaza was a garbage dump.

Blowing up school buses, nurseries and grade schools by Arafat's PLO and Habash's PFLP may be 'live and let live' in your world, but I suspect most would disagree.

1055 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:35:33pm

...
Good night all.

1056 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:35:34pm

re: #1053 BryanS

If there are religious reasons on both sides to explain the intractability of the problem, the other side is bat shit crazy.

If you can explain to me what that sentence means in terms of Wittgensteinian logic or even Basic English™, I'll give you a Jindo puppy.

1057 Bagua  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:37:25pm

re: #1013 austin_blue

Actually, it *was* an open City before 1967. Really. The Arabs never enforced the rejection. It was a live and let live status quo until '67. No Israeli cops in the Al-Aqsa mosque. No Arabs pitching shit on worshipers at the Wailing Wall. No Israeli incursions into East Jerusalem to build enclaves. Stasis.

Again, the Israeli actions have been a disaster for what was fundamentally a quiet town to prior to '67.

Just sayin'..

Yeah, "just sayin'" things were real peaceful and happy when all the Jews were expelled and their temples and gravestones were being destroyed and used for urinals. You have "no dog" in the fight but a detailed opinion that is consistently hostile towards Israel and shows an ignorance of history.

I wonder why?

1058 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:37:47pm

re: #1056 Cato the Elder

If you can explain to me what that sentence means in terms of Wittgensteinian logic or even Basic English™, I'll give you a Jindo puppy.

Jindo puppy?
I do not want to take care of one, but, I bet they're cute!
Good night, all.

1059 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:39:37pm

Quieted down...

Which is good. Rough night here.

1060 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:42:22pm

re: #1013 austin_blue

Actually, it *was* an open City before 1967. Really. The Arabs never enforced the rejection. It was a live and let live status quo until '67. No Israeli cops in the Al-Aqsa mosque. No Arabs pitching shit on worshipers at the Wailing Wall. No Israeli incursions into East Jerusalem to build enclaves. Stasis.

Again, the Israeli actions have been a disaster for what was fundamentally a quiet town to prior to '67.

Just sayin'..

Have your boots ever been on the ground in Israel? Mine have. Twice. You have no shit-eatin' clue about what it was like at the time prior to '67. Just sayin'.

1061 Bagua  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:42:26pm

re: #1059 researchok

Quieted down...

Which is good. Rough night here.

It's not really a nuthouse without the nut.

1062 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:45:37pm

Sorry. Anyone who talks about Israel but has never been there has no standing in my eyes.

1063 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:45:38pm

re: #1061 Bagua

It's not really a nuthouse without the nut.

Anyone here have any thoughts on the topic of this thread as posted? Heard anything about what kind of judicial point of view Kagan actually has?

1064 Bagua  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:46:42pm

re: #1063 BryanS

Anyone here have any thoughts on the topic of this thread as posted? Heard anything about what kind of judicial point of view Kagan actually has?

There was a topic?

1065 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:46:50pm

re: #1063 BryanS

Go micturate upwards upon a hempen hawser, dickball.

1066 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:48:11pm

re: #1064 Bagua

There was a topic?

Yeah...must have lasted about a posting or two at most.

1067 Bagua  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:50:08pm

re: #1066 BryanS

Yeah...must have lasted about a posting or two at most.

I was at a party with deep sea drilling engineers, never saw the early bits of the thread.

1068 freetoken  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:51:21pm

re: #1033 BryanS

You were on a creationist forum??? Had to upding you just for the good fight you mus have put in. Did you get to debate the latest tidbit release on the Creation Safari web site?

I visit some of the Salem Comms. forums. Don't know about the "Creation Safari" site.

1069 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:51:37pm

re: #1067 Bagua

I was at a party with deep sea drilling engineers, never saw the early bits of the thread.

heh...long week cleaning up a gulf oil spill :?)

1070 Bagua  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:54:05pm

re: #1069 BryanS

heh...long week cleaning up a gulf oil spill :?)

Funny enough, the subject of the spill did come up.

1071 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:54:25pm

Hell, my dog's been in Israel. He knows more about it than all the armchair strategists on this blog.

1072 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:55:20pm

re: #1068 freetoken

I visit some of the Salem Comms. forums. Don't know about the "Creation Safari" site.

What are the Salem Comms. forums?

I had Creation Safari trivia thrown at me on a Hot Air creationism thread once. It seemed like such a comical caricature of the creationists and invoked an image of Noah's ark unloading in Africa in my mind.

1073 BryanS  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:56:02pm

re: #1070 Bagua

Funny enough, the subject of the spill did come up.

Go figure.

1074 researchok  Fri, May 14, 2010 11:57:07pm

re: #1062 Cato the Elder

Sorry. Anyone who talks about Israel but has never been there has no standing in my eyes.


That point is more than succinct.

1075 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:00:03am

re: #1068 freetoken

I visit some of the Salem Comms. forums. Don't know about the "Creation Safari" site.

Ahh...I see I missed a creationism thread to hammer on Hot Air (bought by Salem Communications if that's what you meant).

1076 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:00:11am

re: #1062 Cato the Elder

Sorry. Anyone who talks about Israel but has never been there has no standing in my eyes.

Actually, I've been throughout the region. A most clarifying experience.

1077 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:01:40am

re: #1073 BryanS

Go figure.

I also met my first Tea Partier, he too was worried about the oil spill hurting some sort of bugs they like to eat called crayorfish. But they're not fish at all. I said: "You're better off not eating the nasty things anyway." Which got an animated response.

1078 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:02:48am

re: #1076 researchok

Actually, I've been throughout the region. A most clarifying experience.

I was not pointing that poniard at you, but at Bryan the Bullshitter.

1079 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:04:32am

re: #1077 Bagua

I also met my first Tea Partier, he too was worried about the oil spill hurting some sort of bugs they like to eat called crayorfish. But they're not fish at all. I said: "You're better off not eating the nasty things anyway." Which got an animated response.

Tea Partier environmentalist--don't see many of those?

1080 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:04:36am

re: #1078 Cato the Elder

I was not pointing that poniard at you, but at Bryan the Bullshitter.

Understood.

I was in agreement with you. Sometimes I forget that people who have never been there cannot even begin to understand the regions reality.

1081 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:06:30am

re: #1080 researchok

Understood.

I was in agreement with you. Sometimes I forget that people who have never been there cannot even begin to understand the regions reality.

maybe that's a bit harsh- but there is an element of truth to it.

I think people who make the trip either have their views crystallized or they make an about face, save for the idiots.

1082 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:12:17am

re: #1072 BryanS

What are the Salem Comms. forums?

I had Creation Safari trivia thrown at me on a Hot Air creationism thread once.


Salem Communications. HotWingNuts is now one of their properties. So is Townhall. So are many fundamentalist/conservative "Christian" websites.

1083 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:14:54am

re: #1082 freetoken

Salem Communications. HotWingNuts is now one of their properties. So is Townhall. So are many fundamentalist/conservative "Christian" websites.

Noticed the atheism one on Hot Air tonight is presented from a theological point of view. The argument starts out "Vincible ignorance is lacking knowledge that is within the individual’s control and for which he is responsible before God." And ends with the point that atheists are "vincibly ignorant". What utter tripe.

1084 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:16:23am

re: #1082 freetoken

Salem Communications. HotWingNuts is now one of their properties. So is Townhall. So are many fundamentalist/conservative "Christian" websites.

Do you think they even realize what they're doing to their party by making it so religious?

1085 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:17:33am

re: #1083 BryanS

Call me crazy, but they shouldn't be trying to explain why they're right as opposed to why atheism is wrong?

1086 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:18:24am

re: #1080 researchok

True that.

When I say my dog has a better idea of the situation than people who have never been there, I mean that literally.

Haku went with me last time. As my certified service dog.

We were there for an archeological dig, but every weekend (i.e. Sunday) the organizers took us out for bus tours around Israel.

One of those tours included Nazareth, traditionally the place where Jesus was born.

Well, talk about having no clue, I didn't realize till we got there that Nazareth is majority Israeli Arab.

So, Haku and I get off the bus, and onto the main street, the Casbah, and what do you think?

I'd heard that Arabs and Muslims in general hate dogs because of a few haditha where the "prophet" says to kill all of them.

But never did I expect this.

Normally, every ordinary day, Haku walks around with his tail in the air and a look on his face that says "love me".

In Nazareth, he suddenly tucked that tail between his legs. He could feel the hate coming off the Muslim men in the street.

And you know what? I don't fault them. But after two minutes I took him back to the bus and asked the Israeli Arab driver to look out for him while we visited the church.

He could feel it. I could feel it.

So yes, my dog knows more about Israel than any talky-talker who's never been there.

1087 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:22:56am

re: #1085 JasonA

Call me crazy, but they shouldn't be trying to explain why they're right as opposed to why atheism is wrong?

You mean to say that they should be arguing for their position, rather than against the atheist, right?

They're claiming they give too much credibility to atheism--claiming that it is no more sound than a belief in crystals. Their argument is basically a derivative of the exact same argument by Dawkins where he points out that religious beliefs are accepted as valid to hold, without questioning the truth of them. Dawkins was trying to point out that people of faith want to treat questioning religious beliefs as taboo. But Dawkins successfully challenges this defference by drawing a parallel to the lack of respect we would give to someone who believes in the magic power of crystals--because they would have no proof.

I think I'll post this point there now :)

1088 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:24:41am

re: #1087 BryanS

Yes, that's what I meant. This time of night morning my words don't work like they're supposed to.

1089 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:24:48am

re: #1083 BryanS

Noticed the atheism one on Hot Air tonight is presented from a theological point of view. The argument starts out "Vincible ignorance is lacking knowledge that is within the individual’s control and for which he is responsible before God." And ends with the point that atheists are "vincibly ignorant". What utter tripe.

Ignorantia invincibilis is a Catholic doctrine that no wingbat hotairist could possibly grasp, not even with an evolutionary prehensile tail.

These people are desperate. And desperation makes for violence.

I would so like to beat them upside the head with Aquinas, but I doubt even a bite from my dog would win them over to reason.

1090 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:27:07am

re: #1084 JasonA

Do you think they even realize what they're doing to their party by making it so religious?

Don't discount that "they" will enjoy a measure of success. In certain parts of this country, the Salem Comms. approach to the world is in the majority.

1091 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:27:09am

re: #1086 Cato the Elder

True that.

When I say my dog has a better idea of the situation than people who have never been there, I mean that literally.

Haku went with me last time. As my certified service dog.

We were there for an archeological dig, but every weekend (i.e. Sunday) the organizers took us out for bus tours around Israel.

One of those tours included Nazareth, traditionally the place where Jesus was born.

Well, talk about having no clue, I didn't realize till we got there that Nazareth is majority Israeli Arab.

So, Haku and I get off the bus, and onto the main street, the Casbah, and what do you think?

I'd heard that Arabs and Muslims in general hate dogs because of a few haditha where the "prophet" says to kill all of them.

But never did I expect this.

Normally, every ordinary day, Haku walks around with his tail in the air and a look on his face that says "love me".

In Nazareth, he suddenly tucked that tail between his legs. He could feel the hate coming off the Muslim men in the street.

And you know what? I don't fault them. But after two minutes I took him back to the bus and asked the Israeli Arab driver to look out for him while we visited the church.

He could feel it. I could feel it.

So yes, my dog knows more about Israel than any talky-talker who's never been there.

People are often under the assumption that just because there are cellphones and KFC, the Arab world is similar to our own. Of course, that is absurd.

Now, to be fair, I don't blame the Arab population (much) for the situation they are in. They have been indoctrinated with hate and bigotry for generations. It is as if an entire region has been under the influence of the KKK.

No, they are not like us.

They say they love puppies and kittens and Arnold and Hollywood- and so what if they are committed to killing Jews and can't even bother to hide that sentiment.

What astonishes me is how the far left will go to great lengths to shut out that reality, embrace these racists and bigots and share in the hate, all in the name of 'justice' and love.

1092 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:28:13am

re: #966 Cato the Elder

And that's the excuse the Islamic usurpers use to slurp up the Temple Mount.

It was Ishmael or some other bastard who took the crown.

Meh. Feh. Bleh.

And may he piss up a rope, amen.

1093 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:28:26am

re: #1087 BryanS

I don't know that you even have to go as far as magic crystals. Any Christian I know has mocked Scientology ad nauseum.

1094 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:30:47am

re: #1093 JasonA

I don't know that you even have to go as far as magic crystals. Any Christian I know has mocked Scientology ad nauseum.

Well, Scientology was pretty much a religion based on a bad SciFi plot. South Park pretty much has their act down pat. Can you blame anyone for ridiculing Scientology?

1095 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:31:29am

re: #1091 researchok

What astonishes me is how the far left will go to great lengths to shut out that reality, embrace these racists and bigots and share in the hate, all in the name of 'justice' and love.

Meh. I've known people on the other side of the spectrum who sincerely wish we would just nuke the Middle East away.

1096 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:32:01am

re: #1083 BryanS

As Cato pointed out, it is a "Hail Mary" pass, intended to not lead people to actually think about atheism but rather to pull the wool over the faithfuls' eyes (not that the faithful need any more wool.)

That said, given the human requirement (as near as I can tell) for religious ideas there really is no need for the fundamentalists to worry. They will always have customers.

1097 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:32:15am

re: #1094 BryanS

Well, Scientology was pretty much a religion based on a bad SciFi plot. South Park pretty much has their act down pat. Can you blame anyone for ridiculing Scientology?

Even if I wanted to throw stones, my house is made of glass.

1098 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:33:09am

re: #1096 freetoken

I would've updinged anyway, but "customers" really made it a winner.

1099 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:33:27am

re: #1095 JasonA

Meh. I've known people on the other side of the spectrum who sincerely wish we would just nuke the Middle East away.

Other side of the same coin, the far right.

Notice I said 'far left'. There is a distinction.

1100 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:34:17am

re: #1096 freetoken

As Cato pointed out, it is a "Hail Mary" pass, intended to not lead people to actually think about atheism but rather to pull the wool over the faithfuls' eyes (not that the faithful need any more wool.)

That said, given the human requirement (as near as I can tell) for religious ideas there really is no need for the fundamentalists to worry. They will always have customers.

Nice.

1101 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:34:21am

re: #1097 JasonA

Even if I wanted to throw stones, my house is made of glass.

I do notice you have the prophet who's name cannot be mentioned from South Park as your avatar.

Good for Yyyuuuuooooo!!

1102 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:34:28am

re: #1092 ryannon

And may he piss up a rope, amen.

Omein.

Or, as we Romans say, sit.

One little syllable for "so mote it be".

I tell you, the Wiccans got nothing on us Latinists.

1103 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:35:38am

re: #1101 BryanS

I do notice you have the prophet who's name cannot be mentioned from South Park as your avatar.

Good for Yyyuuuooo!!

Huh? What're you talking about? He's, like, some Saudi super-hero or somethin'...

1104 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:36:53am

re: #1098 JasonA

All the world's a flea market,
And all the men and women merely suckers customers...

Yes, a great deal of religion is taking the human need for emotional resolution to their (and their loved ones') ultimate demise and trying to make sense of it. Crafty men long ago figured out how to make a buck at it.

1105 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:37:03am

re: #1103 JasonA

Huh? What're you talking about? He's, like, some Saudi super-hero or somethin'...

Ohhh...yeah...I see :)

1106 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:37:43am

re: #1096 freetoken

As Cato pointed out, it is a "Hail Mary" pass, intended to not lead people to actually think about atheism but rather to pull the wool over the faithfuls' eyes (not that the faithful need any more wool.)

That said, given the human requirement (as near as I can tell) for religious ideas there really is no need for the fundamentalists to worry. They will always have customers.

Wait, what?

I pointed that out?

You know what will always have customers?

Catholicism. Judaism.

Rational reasonable incontrovertible belief.

Try and stop it.

1107 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:40:15am

re: #1102 Cato the Elder

Omein.

Or, as we Romans say, sit.

One little syllable for "so mote it be".

I tell you, the Wiccans got nothing on us Latinists.


SHAZAM!

* * * * * *

1108 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:40:16am

re: #1104 freetoken

All the world's a flea market,
And all the men and women merely suckers customers...

Yes, a great deal of religion is taking the human need for emotional resolution to their (and their loved ones') ultimate demise and trying to make sense of it. Crafty men long ago figured out how to make a buck at it.

Why is it wrong to make fun of Christianity when it teaches that those of us who refuse the love of their Lord and Saviour, one Jesus Christ, will be condemned to an eternity of hell? I have a feeling I know what your answer is, I'm just trying to understand how it works inside of their minds.

1109 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:40:32am

re: #1106 Cato the Elder

Wait, what?

I pointed that out?

You know what will always have customers?

Catholicism. Judaism.

Rational reasonable incontrovertible belief.

Try and stop it.

You and FT are talking about different customers.

1110 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:40:45am

re: #1106 Cato the Elder

Jainism and Hinduism have been around even longer, and they seem to also be not running out of customers.

1111 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:42:05am

re: #1106 Cato the Elder

One thing I've always found interesting about Judaism is that they're not out looking for new customers. They want to make more, but they never really seem to be out there trying to outsell their competitors.

1112 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:42:11am

re: #1109 researchok

In some ways, yes, I am equating "customers" to those who are easily duped. Yet we all have to buy a belief system, even if we get to shop a la carte.

1113 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:43:40am

re: #1108 JasonA

Why is it wrong to make fun of Christianity when it teaches that those of us who refuse the love of their Lord and Saviour, one Jesus Christ, will be condemned to an eternity of hell? I have a feeling I know what your answer is, I'm just trying to understand how it works inside of their minds.


See the below exchange...the Bible is their "proof". The need for proof of their god is so strong. This is why there are so many who interpret the bible literally even though science obliterates their creation story.


Dawkins was trying to point out that people of faith want to treat questioning religious beliefs as taboo. But Dawkins successfully challenges this deference by drawing a parallel to the lack of respect we would give to someone who believes in the magic power of crystals. Since there is no proof in the magic of crystals, we would be correct in not giving any respect or credence to someone who had faith in the power of crystals. Same with god.

BryanS on May 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM

When someone comes up with evidence to support magic crystals, we can take a look. Until then there is no comparison to the Bible.

pedestrian on May 15, 2010 at 3:36 AM

1114 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:43:59am

re: #1110 freetoken

Jainism and Hinduism have been around even longer, and they seem to also be not running out of customers.

omg call Glenn Beck NOW!!11!!1

Image: JainismSymbol.PNG

1115 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:44:57am

re: #1112 freetoken

In some ways, yes, I am equating "customers" to those who are easily duped. Yet we all have to buy a belief system, even if we get to shop a la carte.

Not all believers are dupes.

Man doesn't need God to tell him not to rob or steal or kill. Man needs God to tell him life has meaning beyond the here and now.

To believe in a deity is not a testament to faith. To believe that life has real meaning is.

1116 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:45:22am

re: #1113 BryanS

And the Flying Spaghetti Monster looked upon said exchange and he did weep.

1117 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:47:25am

re: #1113 BryanS

So the Dalai Lama and his followers also fall into the category of fools, right?

1118 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:47:43am

re: #1111 JasonA

One thing I've always found interesting about Judaism is that they're not out looking for new customers. They want to make more, but they never really seem to be out there trying to outsell their competitors.

Not so.

It is very easy to convert to Judaism.

They can smell phonies better, that's all.

1119 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:48:10am

re: #1116 JasonA

And the Flying Spaghetti Monster looked upon said exchange and he did weep.

Yup. I have been touched by his noodly appendage.

1120 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:49:30am

re: #1118 Cato the Elder

Not so.

It is very easy to convert to Judaism.

They can smell phonies better, that's all.

I never said anything about people converting to Judaism but rather Judaism going out to convince (or coerce) people to do so. I think there's a noticeable difference.

1121 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:50:08am

re: #1117 researchok

So the Dalai Lama and his followers also fall into the category of fools, right?

There are idiots.

There are morons.

There are cretins.

And then there are fools for God.

Ask Dostoevsky if you're not inclined to believe me.

1122 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:50:15am

re: #1117 researchok

So the Dalai Lama and his followers also fall into the category of fools, right?

Don't know enough about the religion to comment, but if there is a claim that the Dalai Lama is some kind of god or representative of god, then I would ask where is the evidence.

1123 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:51:06am

re: #1122 BryanS

Don't know enough about the religion to comment, but if there is a claim that the Dalai Lama is some kind of god or representative of god, then I would ask where is the evidence.

There is that whole reincarnation thing gong on there...

1124 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:51:10am

re: #1120 JasonA

I never said anything about people converting to Judaism but rather Judaism going out to convince (or coerce) people to do so. I think there's a noticeable difference.

True that.

Thou must seek it out.

1125 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:51:26am

re: #1123 JasonA

There is that whole reincarnation thing gong on there...

going on there... damn

1126 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:51:32am

re: #1115 researchok

Not all believers are dupes.

I didn't intend to imply that they are.

Yet when I come across someone who has never seriously questioned what they believe, or changed in some very substantial manner in their beliefs during their life, and thus come to accept that beliefs are human inventions, then I wonder if that person isn't in full time escape mode. By which I mean the need to belong to the group (of like minded) is so paramount that the risk of leaving the group scares the non-questioner into a intellectual closet, with door shut and barred.

1127 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:52:25am

re: #1124 Cato the Elder

True that.

Thou must seek it out.

I'll grant you that if I fell for a nice Jewish girl with a religious family I might find myself in such a position...

1128 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:53:18am

re: #1121 Cato the Elder

There are idiots.

There are morons.

There are cretins.

And then there are fools for God.

Ask Dostoevsky if you're not inclined to believe me.

It amuses me greatly how critics of Catholicism, Judaism, etc., cannot bring themselves to find the same venom for the Dalai Lama, Wiccans or Maori gods.

So much for intellectual consistency

1129 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:53:57am

re: #1123 JasonA

There is that whole reincarnation thing gong on there...

Evidence of reincarnation--never heard any such thing has been proven to happen.

1130 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:54:55am

re: #968 BryanS


But why was a Jewish homeland made where it is right now?

The "Jewish homeland" was Poland before WWII. according to these stats for Europe.

Poland and Europe would have retained a large Jewish population had that not murdered most of them.


The US also had sizable Jewish populations.

The US was not accepting all the Jewish refugees who tried to flee.


I've been looking for some stats on Jewish population in Isreal when it was Palestine--pre WWII. Haven't found reputable seeming sources yet, but based on what I'm finding it seems the area was majority Arab populations except for Jerusalem.

That is because it was mostly uninhabited desert and swamps. At any-rate, it is irrelevant. The Jews where driven out of the vast territories that the Arabs had invaded and where Jews had lived for centuries. They had their land stolen, an area about 5 times the size of Israel, and then were attacked in several wars of annihilation. This when they settled in their ancestral homeland of 4 millennium, which they purchased, and were subject to terrorism and massacres.

More to the point, why not? Why this constant effort to question and de-legitamise Israel? What other nation has even a fraction of the connection between its people and their history and religion and has similar questions asked.

Funny that those most vocal in questioning Israel's "right to exist" are in countries where the Jews have been driven out and discriminated against, if not exterminated. What right do they have to their countries? They have no right to question the Jews right to survive in the tiny piece of land they are now cornered on.

1131 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:55:01am

re: #1126 freetoken

I didn't intend to imply that they are.

Yet when I come across someone who has never seriously questioned what they believe, or changed in some very substantial manner in their beliefs during their life, and thus come to accept that beliefs are human inventions, then I wonder if that person isn't in full time escape mode. By which I mean the need to belong to the group (of like minded) is so paramount that the risk of leaving the group scares the non-questioner into a intellectual closet, with door shut and barred.

A long time ago, I came across a quote that struck me, some thing to the effect of 'The greater the faith, the greater the doubt'.

Therein lies the essence of the struggle of faith.

1132 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:55:06am

re: #1128 researchok

It amuses me greatly how critics of Catholicism, Judaism, etc., cannot bring themselves to find the same venom for the Dalai Lama, Wiccans or Maori gods.

So much for intellectual consistency

Speaking for myself, I reserve the venom for those faiths that try to change my life. not very nice of you to leave out Islam there because that's probably the least favorite on among the Dawkins/Hitchens crowd.

1133 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:56:11am

re: #1131 researchok

A long time ago, I came across a quote that struck me, some thing to the effect of 'The greater the faith, the greater the doubt'.

Therein lies the essence of the struggle of faith.

I call rubbish. Hell, those are two concepts that are diametrically opposed.

1134 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:56:51am

re: #1132 JasonA

Speaking for myself, I reserve the venom for those faiths that try to change my life. not very nice of you to leave out Islam there because that's probably the least favorite on among the Dawkins/Hitchens crowd.

Most faiths try to change your life. That is the whole point of religion.

We answer to God. He does not answer to us.

1135 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:57:52am

re: #1134 researchok

We answer to God. He does not answer to us.

Well, I bet Cato would correct God's grammar!

1136 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:59:02am

re: #1133 JasonA

I call rubbish. Hell, those are two concepts that are diametrically opposed.

No, they are not. Only a fool's faith is not subject to question.

The rest of us struggle. I God treasures our successes to be sure, but I believe he treasures our failures even more, because it from our struggle that we grow.

1137 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:59:03am

Wow, that HotWingNuts thread (mentioned by Bryan) really did go fundy.

1138 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 12:59:32am

re: #1137 freetoken

Wow, that HotWingNuts thread (mentioned by Bryan) really did go fundy.

That drives me up the wall.

1139 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:00:01am

re: #1134 researchok

Most faiths try to change your life. That is the whole point of religion.

We answer to God. He does not answer to us.

That's not what I'm getting at. There are some religions out there that make an effort to change the lives of people against their own will. Buddhism ain't one of them.

1140 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:02:18am

re: #1139 JasonA

That's not what I'm getting at. There are some religions out there that make an effort to change the lives of people against their own will. Buddhism ain't one of them.

Mainstream religions are no different. It is the fundamentalists who take away free will.

1141 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:02:30am

re: #1136 researchok

No, they are not. Only a fool's faith is not subject to question.

The rest of us struggle. I God treasures our successes to be sure, but I believe he treasures our failures even more, because it from our struggle that we grow.

I would think the very definition of faith is accepting something without evidence. The whole point is to not question--because there is no evidence to answer those questions.

1142 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:02:39am

re: #1136 researchok

No, they are not. Only a fool's faith is not subject to question.

The rest of us struggle. I God treasures our successes to be sure, but I believe he treasures our failures even more, because it from our struggle that we grow.

But if he's questioning it then how faithful is he?

1143 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:03:51am

re: #1137 freetoken

Wow, that HotWingNuts thread (mentioned by Bryan) really did go fundy.

Much more fundy than usual. I think this may be the first sign of a turning point of making the editorial point to combat some of APs atheist slanted posts.

1144 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:05:27am

re: #1141 BryanS

I would think the very definition of faith is accepting something without evidence. The whole point is to not question--because there is no evidence to answer those questions.

Not at all!

Evidence is in the eye of the beholder. There are many very religious scientists who believed in a higher power- Einstein among them.

For example, I'm a huge proponent of evolution. For me, evolution is proof of the magnitude of Creation. I see no conflict with belief in God and evolution, not unlike those religious scientists.

1145 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:05:39am

re: #1139 JasonA

That's not what I'm getting at. There are some religions out there that make an effort to change the lives of people against their own will. Buddhism ain't one of them.

At it's purest, Buddhism is not a religion. It's a diamond-hard dialectic that cuts through what it deems to be the illusionary nature of reality.

1146 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:05:48am

re: #1143 BryanS

Much more fundy than usual. I think this may be the first sign of a turning point of making the editorial point to combat some of APs atheist slanted posts.

I love this one:

I think the contrary is true: the agnostic is even more irrational then those who take a definite (but mistaken) position.

So you'd rather be wrong than just admit that you don't know. *sigh*

1147 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:06:11am

re: #1142 JasonA

But if he's questioning it then how faithful is he?

To have faith is to struggle every day. Recall Mother Teresa's letters.

1148 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:06:41am

re: #1128 researchok

It amuses me greatly how critics of Catholicism, Judaism, etc., cannot bring themselves to find the same venom for the Dalai Lama, Wiccans or Maori gods.

So much for intellectual consistency

You're slightly (ever so slightly) off the mark.

The problem is not consistency, but boredom.

People think that the Western tradition has nothing to offer but what they see in the popular culture, which stinks to high heaven.

So they go to Wicca (a totally made-up fantasy religion) or animism or, God help us, New Age (rhymes with sewage).

Not understanding that everything in Buddhism is included in contemplative Christianity.

But then, as RogueOne can sing us a song, you never want to fuck the boy next door if you can haz an exotic biker BF instead.

Right?

1149 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:08:46am

re: #1148 Cato the Elder

You're slightly (ever so slightly) off the mark.

The problem is not consistency, but boredom.

People think that the Western tradition has nothing to offer but what they see in the popular culture, which stinks to high heaven.

So they go to Wicca (a totally made-up fantasy religion) or animism or, God help us, New Age (rhymes with sewage).

Not understanding that everything in Buddhism is included in contemplative Christianity.

But then, as RogueOne can sing us a song, you never want to fuck the boy next door if you can haz an exotic biker BF instead.

Right?

Good point.

People confuse culture with values.

Hollywood is culture. Religion is about values.

1150 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:08:50am

re: #1143 BryanS

Salem's usual forums have this as part of their agreement for the user to follow:

15. You will not promote by repeated statements, by provision of URLs to other Web sites, by recommendation to engage in non-community activities such as watching programs, reading books, or attending events, or by any other means, beliefs or teachings contrary to those of Christianity as articulated by the historic creeds, as understood by Evangelicalism, and as interpreted by Salem Web Network in its sole discretion.

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Did someone say "epistemic closure"?

It will be interesting to see if Salem starts requiring such of HotWingNuts.

1151 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:09:17am

re: #1145 ryannon

At it's purest, Buddhism is not a religion. It's a diamond-hard dialectic that cuts through what it deems to be the illusionary nature of reality.

Yeah, this is kinda sorta true. It's more a way of life than a religion as others are. Still...
re: #1144 researchok

Not at all!

Evidence is in the eye of the beholder. There are many very religious scientists who believed in a higher power- Einstein among them.

For example, I'm a huge proponent of evolution. For me, evolution is proof of the magnitude of Creation. I see no conflict with belief in God and evolution, not unlike those religious scientists.

Please don't try to claim Einstein as a theist. It's disingenuous at best.

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.


A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.


I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.
1152 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:09:44am

re: #1148 Cato the Elder

You're slightly (ever so slightly) off the mark.

The problem is not consistency, but boredom.

People think that the Western tradition has nothing to offer but what they see in the popular culture, which stinks to high heaven.

So they go to Wicca (a totally made-up fantasy religion) or animism or, God help us, New Age (rhymes with sewage).

Not understanding that everything in Buddhism is included in contemplative Christianity.

But then, as RogueOne can sing us a song, you never want to fuck the boy next door if you can haz an exotic biker BF instead.

Right?

Our adversaries are right to be unimpressed and even fear our culture.

1153 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:11:28am

re: #1147 researchok

To have faith is to struggle every day. Recall Mother Teresa's letters.

Faith or no faith, we all struggle every day. It's both heartbreaking and sublime, and the only intelligent response is unending compassion.

1154 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:11:44am

re: #1152 researchok

Our adversaries are right to be unimpressed and even fear our culture.

Are you saying our adversaries' culture is superior to ours?

1155 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:11:54am

re: #1144 researchok

Not at all!

Evidence is in the eye of the beholder. There are many very religious scientists who believed in a higher power- Einstein among them.

For example, I'm a huge proponent of evolution. For me, evolution is proof of the magnitude of Creation. I see no conflict with belief in God and evolution, not unlike those religious scientists.

Einstein was certainly not among the "very religious". He was at most a Deist, certainly not a believer in any organized religion.

In order to hold a belief in evolution, one has to reject the creation stories of really any religion.

1156 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:12:05am

re: #1148 Cato the Elder

... you never want to fuck the boy next door if you can haz an exotic biker BF instead.

Right?

Not really given much thought to either, but if you say so.

1157 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:13:02am

re: #1151 JasonA

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.

I believe at times he referred to God as the Great Architect. He was quite satisfied with his belief in a higher power.

That Einstein had his own view of God was his prerogative.

There are legions of believing scientists who understand God differently.

1158 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:13:30am

re: #1156 Bagua

Not really given much thought to either, but if you say so.

Heh.

1159 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:14:20am

re: #1157 researchok

Yes, Einstein believed in a higher power: the Universe itself. There's no faith involved.

1160 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:15:22am

re: #1154 JasonA

Are you saying our adversaries' culture is superior to ours?

No, not at all.

I'm saying there are parts of our culture that are less than savory. Think Hollywood, the sexualization of girls, etc.

Our values however, are most elevated- freedom, democracy, womens rights, gay rights, etc.

1161 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:16:18am

re: #1159 JasonA

Yes, Einstein believed in a higher power: the Universe itself. There's no faith involved.

Nope- Einstein believed in an intelligent guiding hand.

1162 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:16:29am

Help!

I'm drowning in a bottomless sea of illusions and semantic train-wrecks.

Time to swim over to the next thread and try to keep afloat.

1163 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:16:44am

re: #1161 researchok

That designed the physical universe- clarification.

1164 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:18:12am

OK, I'm outta here...manana folks.

1165 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:18:17am

re: #1161 researchok

Nope- Einstein believed in an intelligent guiding hand.

Einstein: "God does not play dice with the universe."

Heh. Little did he know.....

It's a total crap-shoot.

1166 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:18:26am

re: #1147 researchok

To have faith is to struggle every day. Recall Mother Teresa's letters.

I have to say I didn't get it at first, but if you hear him out, Hitchens make a reasonable case for why Mother Theresa is quite possible one of the most evil people who ever lived.

How's that for atheist bomb throwing :?)

Here's a nice video series of Hitchens "Hell's Angel: Mother Teresa by Christopher Hitchens"

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

Youtube Video
1167 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:18:29am

re: #1135 freetoken

Well, I bet Cato would correct God's grammar!

Of course I would. He does not know our language any more than we know his.

It is all about meeting one another.

1168 BryanS  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:19:37am

re: #1150 freetoken

Salem's usual forums have this as part of their agreement for the user to follow:

Did someone say "epistemic closure"?

It will be interesting to see if Salem starts requiring such of HotWingNuts.

Yikes! They'd have to ditch both Ed and AP I think. Wonder how long it will take.

1169 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:20:14am

re: #1161 researchok

Nope- Einstein believed in an intelligent guiding hand.

I've offered quotes that I think demonstrate otherwise. If you have some to share I'm willing to listen.

1170 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:20:15am

re: #1127 JasonA

I'll grant you that if I fell for a nice Jewish girl with a religious family I might find myself in such a position...

You should be so lucky. Mazel tov!

1171 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:20:56am

re: #1159 JasonA

Yes, Einstein believed in a higher power: the Universe itself. There's no faith involved.

Ok, so that explains the Universe and God, and creation and all, but what's your take on the light cave that Smokey came out of.

Let's move on to some real mysteries.

1172 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:21:45am

re: #1171 Bagua

Ok, so that explains the Universe and God, and creation and all, but what's your take on the light cave that Smokey came out of.

Let's move on to some real mysteries.

Oh I have so many problems with that episode... grr.

1173 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:22:40am

re: #1171 Bagua

Ok, so that explains the Universe and God, and creation and all, but what's your take on the light cave that Smokey came out of.

Let's move on to some real mysteries.

42

1174 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:25:03am

re: #1159 JasonA

Yes, Einstein believed in a higher power: the Universe itself. There's no faith involved.

"The universe" is the puling, milksop, week-kneed answer to the Great Question for people who can't handle the idea of God.

1175 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:27:40am

re: #1173 Cato the Elder

42

That is a mystery.

1176 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:27:56am

re: #1148 Cato the Elder

You're slightly (ever so slightly) off the mark.

The problem is not consistency, but boredom.

People think that the Western tradition has nothing to offer but what they see in the popular culture, which stinks to high heaven.

So they go to Wicca (a totally made-up fantasy religion) or animism or, God help us, New Age (rhymes with sewage).

Not understanding that everything in Buddhism is included in contemplative Christianity.

But then, as RogueOne can sing us a song, you never want to fuck the boy next door if you can haz an exotic biker BF instead.

Right?


Sigh.

What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open
their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?

Remember the ISB and the magic they wove, Cato? How far have you come from the young man you were then, and what evil has befallen him?

1177 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:27:59am

re: #1164 researchok

OK, I'm outta here...manana folks.

I believe the word you're groping for is "mañana".

Else you might just as well say "banana".

1178 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:28:00am

re: #1173 Cato the Elder

42

What is 6x9?

1179 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:28:52am

re: #1174 Cato the Elder

"The universe" is the puling, milksop, week-kneed answer to the Great Question for people who can't handle the idea of God.

It's also the right answer from what I've been able to learn in my oh so short time as a flicker of life.

I'm not so sure why you consider it "puling," milksop," and "week-kneed," though. It should also include the realization that we are a part of the Universe, not apart from it.

1180 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:30:20am

re: #1176 ryannon

Sigh.

What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open
their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?

Remember the ISB and the magic they wove, Cato? How far have you come from the young man you were then, and what evil has befallen him?

Fuck that young man.

Fuck him and the grrrls he fucked.

I, old man, have nothing to do with him any more.

1181 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:31:02am

re: #1177 Cato the Elder

re: #22 Cato the Elder

If you get tangled up, just tango on.

So, you've finished A Clash of Kings? General impressions, please.

Here were mine at the time.
- a working class Hand is something to be.
- Theon Greyjoy, you're a total f***up.
- Melisandre's deeds confused me when it comes to Martin's take on religion. Up until now (then), the seven and the old gods remained silent and mysterious. The Lord of Light, not so much.

1182 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:31:21am

re: #1179 JasonA

It's also the right answer from what I've been able to learn in my oh so short time as a flicker of life.

I'm not so sure why you consider it "puling," milksop," and "week-kneed," though. It should also include the realization that we are a part of the Universe, not apart from it.

The "universe" cares nothing for you or me.

God does.

1183 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:36:21am

re: #1172 JasonA

Oh I have so many problems with that episode... grr.

Really? I thought it was great, but should have been several episodes. It's impossible to do a clean wrap at this point, without a sense of Dues ex machina. But I thought it was splendid in itself.

I wonder what Einstein would have made of it?

1184 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:36:45am

re: #1180 Cato the Elder

Fuck that young man.

Fuck him and the grrrls he fucked.

I, old man, have nothing to do with him any more.


You may be in for a big and a very strange surprise one of these days when he shows up at your door.

And please be so kind as to excuse my presumptuousness : I only wish you well.

1185 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:37:00am

re: #1182 Cato the Elder

The "universe" cares nothing for you or me.

God does.

I never claimed that the universe gives a damn about anything.

As for God, well, I'd have to ask with one we were talking about. The Devil's in the details.

1186 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:37:25am

re: #1181 Nimed

re: #22 Cato the Elder

So, you've finished A Clash of Kings? General impressions, please.

Here were mine at the time.
- a working class Hand is something to be.
- Theon Greyjoy, you're a total f***up.
- Melisandre's deeds confused me when it comes to Martin's take on religion. Up until now (then), the seven and the old gods remained silent and mysterious. The Lord of Light, not so much.

I'm reading very fast so I can get through the series and read it again.

So many things puzzle me.

For example, what does Jaime mean when he says, "I find it passing odd that one should love me for a kindness I never did while so may revile me for my greatest deed"?

I understand the "greatest deed", but what is the kindness never done, and who loves him for it?

Must say, also, that the "flawless" text is marred by Martin's inability to tell "lie" from "lay" and "tread" from "trod".

And that's with editors. Pah. And pah and pah again.

1187 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:39:43am

re: #1183 Bagua

Really? I thought it was great, but should have been several episodes. It's impossible to do a clean wrap at this point, without a sense of Dues ex machina. But I thought it was splendid in itself.

I wonder what Einstein would have made of it?

My biggest problem was that it felt like... here, have some answers before we go. Very clumsy exposition.

1188 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:40:10am

re: #1184 ryannon

You may be in for a big and a very strange surprise one of these days when he shows up at your door.

And please be so kind as to excuse my presumptuousness : I only wish you well.

I bear him within me.

If he shows up at my door, mine is the choice. Invite him in or turn him away.

Come to think on't, I believe I'll do both.

1189 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:42:08am

re: #1183 Bagua

Really? I thought it was great, but should have been several episodes. It's impossible to do a clean wrap at this point, without a sense of Dues ex machina. But I thought it was splendid in itself.

I wonder what Einstein would have made of it?

Who the fuckin' hell is "Dues"?

1190 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:43:38am

re: #1189 Cato the Elder

Who the fuckin' hell is "Dues"?

Oops! My bad. It was the pressure of having you there watching, I just cracked.

1191 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:46:45am

re: #1187 JasonA

My biggest problem was that it felt like... here, have some answers before we go. Very clumsy exposition.

Yes, that's a given at this point. It would take a dozen episodes to wrap it up properly.

1192 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:49:04am

re: #1186 Cato the Elder


For example, what does Jaime mean when he says, "I find it passing odd that one should love me for a kindness I never did while so may revile me for my greatest deed"?

I think he's referring to Tyrion and the whole Tysha incident. I need to reread it to be sure, though.

1193 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:50:53am

re: #1186 Cato the Elder

I'm reading very fast so I can get through the series and read it again.

So many things puzzle me.

For example, what does Jaime mean when he says, "I find it passing odd that one should love me for a kindness I never did while so may revile me for my greatest deed"?

I understand the "greatest deed", but what is the kindness never done, and who loves him for it?

Must say, also, that the "flawless" text is marred by Martin's inability to tell "lie" from "lay" and "tread" from "trod".

And that's with editors. Pah. And pah and pah again.

I'm also not sure what kindness he is referring to, though I have an educated guess that we can discuss one you've read books 3 and 4. Basically, we don't know much about what happened before the fall of the Targaryen.

You're up for a treat with the third book.

1194 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:52:15am

re: #1192 JasonA

I think he's referring to Tyrion and the whole Tysha incident. I need to reread it to be sure, though.

Careful with book 3 and 4 spoilers.

1195 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:54:02am

re: #1194 Nimed

Careful with book 3 and 4 spoilers.

Bah. That's in Book 1. And I haven't even read 4 yet, so shut yer yap!

1196 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:57:05am

This place is so much fun!

Off to read now.

Being drunk and reading is one of the proofs of God's love for man.

1197 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 1:59:49am

re: #1196 Cato the Elder

This place is so much fun!

Off to read now.

Being drunk and reading is one of the proofs of God's love for man.

Are you doing some kind of annoying Walter-brand sarcasm here? Ah nevermind. I have to sleep, too.

1198 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:04:35am

re: #1195 JasonA

Bah. That's in Book 1. And I haven't even read 4 yet, so shut yer yap!

-.-- --- ..- / --- -. .-.. -.-- / -.- -. --- .-- / - .... .- - / .. - / .. ... / .-..-. .- / -.- .. -. -.. -. . ... ... / .... . / -. . ...- . .-. / -.. .. -.. .-..-. / .. -. / -... --- --- -.- / ...-- --..-- / .-- .... . -. / - .... . -.-- / .... .- ...- . / - .... . / - -.-- ... .... .- / -.. .. .- .-.. --- --. --..-- / .-. .. --. .... - ..--..

[Link: morsecode.scphillips.com...]

1199 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:05:22am

re: #1188 Cato the Elder

I bear him within me.

If he shows up at my door, mine is the choice. Invite him in or turn him away.

Come to think on't, I believe I'll do both.


Divided Self, much?

schizophrenia
1912, from Mod.L., lit. "a splitting of the mind," from Ger. Schizophrenie, coined in 1910 by Swiss psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler (1857-1939), from Gk. skhizein "to split" (see shed (v.)) + phren (gen. phrenos) "diaphragm, heart, mind," of unknown origin.

derived from the Greek word phren, φρήν (diaphragm; the midrif (as a partition of the body); (figuratively and by implication, of sympathy) the feelings (or sensitive nature; by extension (also in the plural) the mind or cognitive faculties))
derived from the Proto-Indo-European root *gʷhren-
using the English prefix schizo-
derived from the Latin prefix schizo-
derived from the Greek word schizein, σχίζω
derived from the Proto-Indo-European root *skei-

1200 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:29:34am

re: #46 Irenicum

So if Kagan had written on the history of the NYC transit system, would that make her a choo choo train?

After reading only 46 comments, I declare your post the thread winner.
Rofl.
:)

1201 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:33:39am

re: #25 Dr. Shalit

Kol Ha lizardim -

AND - Ms. Kagan wished for the victory of Socialism, back then, at her age. Back when I was her age at that time - SO DID I - I Grew Up and mellowed.
Even the Great Sir Winston opined that one who is NOT a Socialist in their 20's has No Heart. He of course also opined that one who maintained those beliefs in their 40's had "No Brains." The upcoming hearings will show us whether "Heart or Brains" rules this nominee to the SCOTUS.

-S-

Churchill never said that.
It originated with Francois Guisot and later modified by Georges Clemenceau.

1202 steve_davis  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:09:30am

oh wait. If this hasn't been mentioned above, toodle through all 54 comments on the thesis until you get to Moe Lane's rebuttal of someone who apparently took the time to note that Kagan's thesis doesn't mean what RedState wishes it meant. It's a "you must be lying. Don't bother to apologize because I'm banning you" response. I'll never forget being banned at RedState within 15 minutes of joining. At the time, I was shocked. Now I look back on that moment as a true badge of honor.

1203 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:16:19am

re: #610 Jadespring

Um.. what did I do?

Nothing. I was pulling your leg!

1204 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:18:50am

re: #611 prairiefire

I'm good. Any phone calls from Mr. drive you home?

Yeah. I don't think it's gonna' go anywhere. I mean, he's grrgeous, funny and charming but, he's just not into life the way I am. If you don't know who Benjamin Netanyahu is,...

*sigh*

1205 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:08:16am

re: #1169 JasonA

I've offered quotes that I think demonstrate otherwise. If you have some to share I'm willing to listen.

A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

It isn't as simple as you wish it to be.

Also, just while he may not have believed in a personal God, he no trouble acknowledging a 'supreme architect'.

Like most people,. he struggled with how he understood God.

1206 researchok  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:10:28am

re: #1166 BryanS

Hitchens on religion is like Mengele on medical ethics.

1207 Sacred Plants  Mon, May 17, 2010 3:13:42am

The unaltered academic work of a political celebrity is avaliable in the archives to anyone who cares to look?

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