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Speaking of Swedish artist Lars Vilks and his dreaded cartoons of blasphemy, today a reader in Pakistan searched Google for “lars vilks” and found this LGF post from October 2007: An Artist and His Dog.

This got him the rage fix he was looking for, and he promptly used our contact form to fire off the following email:

i just want to say that,MUHAMMAD:PEACE BE UPON HIM,IS THE GREATEST GREATEST PERSON ON EARTH AND WILL REMAIN TILL THE END.HE IS THE TRUE MESSENGER OF GOD AND HE WILL BE REMAIN.NO MESSENGER AFTER HIM.HE WAS SO KIND.ONE THING I WANT TO SHARE.DOGS LIKE LARS VIKS WILL BARK WILL BARK AND ALWAYS BARK BECAUSE THEY ARE THE TRUE DOGS AND PIGS AND THEIR TASK IS BARKING

As absurd as this email is, it doesn’t even begin to compare with the level of ugliness and venom I see in my daily hate mail from right wingers, furious at me for not joining with the teabaggers and the John Birchers and the Paulians, or for not being a creationist, or for not being a global warming denier, or for not believing Barack Obama is the Antichrist.

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1 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:39:56pm

Pigs bark?

2 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:40:12pm

It's always fun to compare the ravings of various fanatics. Most of the time there are more similarities than differences.

3 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:40:48pm
i just want to say that,MUHAMMAD:PEACE BE UPON HIM,IS THE GREATEST GREATEST PERSON ON EARTH AND WILL REMAIN TILL THE END.HE IS THE TRUE MESSENGER OF GOD AND HE WILL BE REMAIN.NO MESSENGER AFTER HIM.HE WAS SO KIND.ONE THING I WANT TO SHARE.DOGS LIKE LARS VIKS WILL BARK WILL BARK AND ALWAYS BARK BECAUSE THEY ARE THE TRUE DOGS AND PIGS AND THEIR TASK IS BARKING

Yes, real men have nine year old brides... *snicker*

4 Digital Display  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:40:52pm

Read it 3 times..Still don't get it...Charles you get the craziest emails in the world..Dang..

5 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:41:51pm

re: #3 JasonA

Yes, real men have nine year old brides... *snicker*

This guy sounds like he's about 12....Substitute Miley Cirus' for mohammed's name in and you get the idea...

6 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:42:27pm

re: #4 HoosierHoops

Read it 3 times..Still don't get it...Charles you get the craziest emails in the world..Dang..

I dunno. Kos had some gems today: [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

7 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:42:58pm

I have no doubts at all, I've seen too many of the sad sick psychopaths that make up the underbelly of the right wing blogosphere not to believe that.

8 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:43:53pm

re: #1 allegro

Pigs bark?

Boink?

9 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:44:06pm

His email was surprisingly positive--all "We're Numbah One", no "I Keel You".

10 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:44:22pm

Mahomet (piss be upon him) was kind?

Well, maybe, but I like where Dante put him.

11 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:44:42pm

re: #8 JasonA

Boink?

barkon

like on a dog pizza-

you get canadian barkin and muttzarella cheese.

12 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:45:29pm
MUHAMMAD:PEACE BE UPON HIM,IS

He's dead, Jim.

13 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:45:32pm

You should read some of Pat Condell's hate mail sometime. It's awesome.

14 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:45:43pm

re: #6 JasonA

Well here's an article that will just chap that letter writer's hide.

[Link: us.cnn.com...]

15 Bob Levin  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:47:10pm

Charles,

You need to write back and ask him to repeat himself in Urdu, and then compare it your regular mail. I think he'll do well, maybe a C+.

16 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:47:52pm

re: #13 Liberal Classic

You should read some of Pat Condell's hate mail sometime. It's awesome.

I've seen the videos but never checked out his hate mail. Something about him seems a little off to me these past couple of weeks with the election.

17 goddamnedfrank  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:49:03pm

re: #1 allegro

Pigs bark?

Apparently in french pigs go "groin groin," which I personally find hilarious.

18 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:50:28pm

The word for "pork roast" in my house is "Rasul".

19 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:51:49pm

re: #1 allegro

Pigs bark?

Arf, arf?

20 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:51:52pm

re: #16 JasonA

Oh, I haven't kept up lately.

21 wrenchwench  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:52:28pm

The ad I got just below the post is a cupcake with pink frosting. The perfect touch!

22 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:52:28pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

Apparently in french pigs go "groin groin," which I personally find hilarious.

Until they get excited and go "WEE WEE!"

23 lostlakehiker  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:52:35pm

That's a pretty tame email, actually. Tolerant, even.

24 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:52:44pm

Mountain Man: Looks like we got us a sow here, instead of a boar....I bet you can squeal bark like a pig.

/

25 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:55:55pm

I suppose if pigs can fly they could bark? Who knows what else they're capable of.

26 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:57:05pm

re: #14 Thanos

Well here's an article that will just chap that letter writer's hide.

[Link: us.cnn.com...]

Not going to make the Loyal Opposition blogs very happy either.

27 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:58:09pm

re: #6 JasonA

I dunno. Kos had some gems today: [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

The obsession with homosexual sex is astounding in these emails.

28 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:58:11pm

re: #25 Bagua

I suppose if pigs can fly they could bark? Who knows what else they're capable of.

Being so tasty that they make some Jews question their dietary restrictions.

29 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:58:49pm

Well, still, no one does rage quite like a jihadi. Or an AGW "we're all going to die" fanatic.

This guy seems like a pretty mild example.

There are others.

30 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:01:31pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Not going to make the Loyal Opposition blogs very happy either.

Ahmanson is probably fuming tonight

31 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:02:58pm

re: #28 JasonA
Well on the positive side, insulin (used to control diabetes) did originally come from pigs.

32 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:05:14pm

re: #27 marjoriemoon

The obsession with homosexual sex is astounding in these emails.

It really makes me wonder about the stuff Charles doesn't show us.

33 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:05:24pm

re: #31 PhillyPretzel

Well on the positive side, insulin (used to control diabetes) did originally come from pigs.

Pigs are wonderful, sentient and emotional creatures that humans disrespect and mistreat terribly.

34 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:06:22pm

re: #33 allegro

True.

35 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:06:25pm

re: #30 Thanos

Ahmanson is probably fuming tonight

Discovery Institute guy? Had to Google.

36 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:07:19pm

Somehow, going to Ikea for a replacement bolt got me to drop $70 bucks on a new coffee table. Damn devil women and their bewitchments!

37 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:07:36pm

re: #33 allegro

Pigs are wonderful, sentient and emotional creatures that humans disrespect and mistreat terribly.

Muddolphins with benefits.

38 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:07:44pm

re: #33 allegro

Pigs are wonderful, sentient and emotional creatures that humans disrespect and mistreat terribly.

Image: tamworth-pig-and-piglet.jpg

39 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:08:01pm

re: #36 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

On the bright side, you can spend two hours putting it together!

40 wrenchwench  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:08:26pm

re: #11 PT Barnum

barkon

like on a dog pizza-

you get canadian barkin and muttzarella cheese.

Also pupperoni.

41 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:08:57pm

Heh. There are dog ads all over the blog.

Suck it, Islamists.

Dog in a blue burka.

Youtube Video
42 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:09:19pm

Maybe Charles should go back to criticizing Islam instead of the wingnuts. At least the hatemail is nicer.
/

43 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:09:42pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Muddolphins with benefits.

I love that. Pretty accurate, too considering the compatibility with humans on a similar level.

re: #38 JasonA

Awwww, too sweet.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:09:51pm

re: #23 lostlakehiker

That's a pretty tame email, actually. Tolerant, even.

He sounds more annoyed than threatening.

46 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:10:33pm

re: #14 Thanos

Well here's an article that will just chap that letter writer's hide.

[Link: us.cnn.com...]

Ha! That's pretty good. The number one religious denomination of all supreme Supreme Court justices? Episcopalians.

47 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:12:14pm

re: #43 allegro

I love that. Pretty accurate, too considering the compatibility with humans on a similar level.

re: #38 JasonA

Awww, too sweet.

Number One daughter was a volunteer at a museum farm. It was a bad day when Sugar and Spice went to market. (Six months of vegetarianism, just in case.)

48 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:12:44pm

re: #38 JasonA

Image: tamworth-pig-and-piglet.jpg

Well, that's just great. How am I supposed to enjoy my chili with bacon now?

49 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:12:51pm

re: #46 Gus 802

Louis Brandeis and Ruth Bader Ginsburg are Jewish.

50 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:13:00pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Congratulations:
You're now the current Lizard that the stalkers are obsessing about, Ludwig is going to be jealous.

51 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:13:52pm

re: #32 JasonA

It really makes me wonder about the stuff Charles doesn't show us.

I receive a constant stream of homophobic insults from the right wing. It's actually quite rare for a right wing hate mail NOT to include those kinds of insults. The obsession is truly remarkable.

52 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:13:54pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

This guy's adorable, too.

Image: pig.jpg

53 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:14:33pm

re: #49 PhillyPretzel

Louis Brandeis and Ruth Bader Ginsburg are Jewish.

Right. That's why I said all not current. :)

Here's the list:

[Link: www.adherents.com...]

54 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:14:50pm

re: #23 lostlakehiker

That's a pretty tame email, actually. Tolerant, even.

Exactly. He even admits that Lars Viks is pretty much just doing his job.

55 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:15:03pm

Outrageous outrage of the day from Hot Air ...
Did Cronkite and CBS offer assistance to anti-war movement?

If a recently-released FBI file is true, Cronkite may have gone farther than editorializing. According to an FBI informant, Cronkite offered advice and CBS resources to assist the anti-war activists, including a helicopter to fly Edmund Muskie to a protest that CBS would then cover

Media figures assisting a protest movement? Insanity!

56 wrenchwench  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:15:36pm

Bacon, but not yet.

Image: funny-pictures-bacon-not-done.jpg

57 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:16:25pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Outrageous outrage of the day from Hot Air ...
Did Cronkite and CBS offer assistance to anti-war movement?

Media figures assisting a protest movement? Insanity!

Saw that before and could only think of "what are we engaging in postmortem McCarthyism?"

58 jamesfirecat  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:17:44pm

Well I graduated today.

That's the good news.

The bad news is that when I got back I found that somehow my parents had "cleaned" my carefully disordered room, in the process losing track of two of the comic books I got during spring break but hadn't had a chance to read yet, and my three DVDs containing the second reason of Arrested Development. if I hadn't already pirated that season and downloaded them to my computer I would BE VERY UPSET about that....

59 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:18:59pm

I assume everyone caught the Eric Holder video in front of the House Committee last week, wherein Eric could not acknowledge that radical islam may have been one of the causes for the Times Square and other recent attacks.

60 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:19:04pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

Congrats on graduation. Your parents mean well. Enjoy your graduation.

61 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:19:54pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Number One daughter was a volunteer at a museum farm. It was a bad day when Sugar and Spice went to market. (Six months of vegetarianism, just in case.)

That can be a tough lesson for non-farm kids. I became a vegetarian about 30 years ago when my cousin's little 5 year old pointed to the hamburger I was just about to bite down on and said, "That's Freckles!", a calf I had bottle fed during my visit there the year before. Getting to know them personally makes for a whole different take on eating them.

62 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:19:59pm

re: #51 Charles

I receive a constant stream of homophobic insults from the right wing. It's actually quite rare for a right wing hate mail NOT to include those kinds of insults. The obsession is truly remarkable.

Wow. You need higher quality haters.

63 jamesfirecat  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:20:43pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

Congrats on graduation. Your parents mean well. Enjoy your graduation.

I know they mean well.

It's just that I had my room messed up so that I knew exactly where everything was!

64 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:22:06pm

Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

65 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:22:17pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

I know. You had your organized mess and they "unmessed" it.

66 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:23:04pm

re: #64 Ojoe

Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

Yeah. After everyone else shits it up.

67 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:23:20pm

re: #61 allegro

We used to give the pigs funny names, such as

"Hammy Fay Bacon"

68 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:23:51pm

re: #66 JasonA

Nature is tough, it will still be going.

69 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:24:01pm

re: #32 JasonA

It really makes me wonder about the stuff Charles doesn't show us.

A bunch of closet queens, but not in a good fun way.

70 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:28:17pm

re: #67 Ojoe

We used to give the pigs funny names, such as
"Hammy Fay Bacon"

LOL, great name. With my affinity for critters, eating one would be like consuming a member of my family. Once it was made personal, I just couldn't do it anymore. That said, I have no moral issue about eating meat. It's the way of Nature. As a wildlife biologist, I even consult on hunting leases and set the takes, knowing it's a positive for the species and biosphere.

71 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:28:27pm

re: #59 sandbox

I assume everyone caught the Eric Holder video in front of the House Committee last week, wherein Eric could not acknowledge that radical islam may have been one of the causes for the Times Square and other recent attacks.

I assume you'll be happy to provide a link for that, right?

72 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:29:19pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

I know they mean well.

It's just that I had my room messed up so that I knew exactly where everything was!

Heh.
I used to do the same thing to my daughter's room.

Then she told me one day that she found comfort in her disorderly mess of a room, and the room felt cold and impersonal to her without it. So I stopped messing with her messes.

73 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:29:28pm

Some pigs will try to eat you.

74 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:30:01pm

re: #64 Ojoe

Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

Nope.

75 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:31:17pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

In the long long long run, I believe they will.

76 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:31:26pm

re: #71 Cato the Elder

Sure:

Youtube Video
77 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:32:26pm

re: #75 Ojoe

In the long long long run, I believe they will.

At which point it won't be worth inheriting.

78 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:32:50pm

re: #68 Ojoe

Nature is tough, it will still be going.

And what the hell is nature going to do about this: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Image: garbage-patch-1.jpg

79 jamesfirecat  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:33:02pm

re: #76 sandbox

Sure:

[Video]

So here we go with your
"Name the enemy
Bomb the well
Win the war"

Speech again aren't we?

I'm not getting pulled into it this time, other than saying I am utterly certaint you could find better things to do with your time.

80 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:33:03pm

re: #69 marjoriemoon

A bunch of closet queens, but not in a good fun way.

It's a reflection of modern day schoolyard bullying which lasts all the way through high school. Typically one boy will get enraged about something and he'll scream out "you're a fagg*t!" The interchange then follows a pattern based around that theme. Back and forth it goes. The theory is that if you scream it loud enough the other person will magically change their sexual orientation. It's rather dumb: if you disagree with manthen they obviously have sex with other men? Childish to say the least but probably more adolescent in nature.

81 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:34:07pm

re: #79 jamesfirecat

You're not defending Holder in this case, are you?

82 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:35:47pm

For good news on the gulf oil spill.

Doug Suttles, BP executive says:

“Subsea dispersants are working. “

Subsea application requires less dispersant to be used and results in less oil reaching the surface.

Also, the insertion tube which failed the first try has been adjusted on the surface and returned to the sea floor in preparation of another try tonight.

83 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:35:56pm

re: #78 JasonA

People will mine the dumps eventually.

Ancient slag heaps have been re-processed for instance. Italy mined classical slag heaps in both world wars.

84 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:36:06pm

re: #33 allegro

Pigs are wonderful, sentient and emotional creatures that humans disrespect and mistreat terribly.

I respect my baby back ribs.

85 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:36:15pm

re: #59 sandbox

I assume everyone caught the Eric Holder video in front of the House Committee last week, wherein Eric could not acknowledge that radical islam may have been one of the causes for the Times Square and other recent attacks.

I saw the video, and this spin on it is ridiculous.

Holder absolutely did acknowledge that radical Islam is one motivation for terrorism. Lamar Smith was trying for a gotcha moment, and obsessively kept asking him to use those two words.

Making a big deal out of this is silly.

86 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:36:25pm

re: #76 sandbox

Thank you.

Holder, after viewing that, I have to say that you are a disgusting mealy-mouthed PC putz, and your insistence that people who follow the mainstream jihad teachings of the Koran are "misunderstanders of Islam" is a lie.

87 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:37:03pm

I got mail today...just got home from the Giants/Astros game and what was waiting on my doorstep? The Little Green Footballs cookbook. I've had a cursory read through, though I won't be using it tonight as I picked up a half pound of dungeness crab meat and some prawns and lettuce and avocado & shit (okay...stuff)...and will be making shrimp & crab louis salad for dinner...but I am excited to have received my copy of the book and the recipes therein.

88 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:37:04pm

re: #81 sandbox

You're not defending Holder in this case, are you?

I'm defending him, yes -- definitely. This is another stupid fake outrage.

89 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:37:07pm

re: #83 Ojoe

People will mine the dumps eventually.

Ancient slag heaps have been re-processed for instance. Italy mined classical slag heaps in both world wars.

Oh that's kind of funny. One of the things I used to tell people after I told them I don't recycle was that I'm just saving it for future mining.

90 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:37:14pm

re: #82 Bagua

“Subsea dispersants are working. “

Without pointing out that the dispersants are seriously toxic and will remain in the environment for at least 2-3 years.

91 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:37:31pm

re: #85 Charles

I saw the video, and this spin on it is ridiculous.

Holder absolutely did acknowledge that radical Islam is one motivation for terrorism. Lamar Smith was trying for a gotcha moment, and obsessively kept asking him to use those two words.

Making a big deal out of this is silly.

I disagree.

Holder is a PC putzball.

92 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:37:36pm

re: #80 Gus 802

It's a reflection of modern day schoolyard bullying which lasts all the way through high school. Typically one boy will get enraged about something and he'll scream out "you're a fagg*t!" The interchange then follows a pattern based around that theme. Back and forth it goes. The theory is that if you scream it loud enough the other person will magically change their sexual orientation. It's rather dumb: if you disagree with manthen they obviously have sex with other men? Childish to say the least but probably more adolescent in nature.

It was a more innocent time, but I made it to ninth grade without knowing what "queer" meant. I knew it was bad. That's why I yelled it at my best friend, from the top of the high dive, at a public pool, in front of a very cool female life guard.

93 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:37:44pm

re: #86 Cato the Elder

Thank you.

Holder, after viewing that, I have to say that you are a disgusting mealy-mouthed PC putz, and your insistence that people who follow the mainstream jihad teachings of the Koran are "misunderstanders of Islam" is a lie.

How is this different from every other statement about Islam from every other US politician, including George W. Bush?

94 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:38:18pm

re: #90 allegro

Without pointing out that the dispersants are seriously toxic and will remain in the environment for at least 2-3 years.

Not as long as oil would.

You make the perfect the enemy of the good.

95 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:38:19pm

re: #85 Charles

Fishing for gotcha is one of the big defects of the media.

96 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:38:48pm

re: #93 Charles

How is this different from every other statement about Islam from every other US politician, including George W. Bush?

Umm, more transparently bullshitty?

97 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:38:56pm

re: #89 Gus 802

It will happen, future mining.

98 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:38:59pm

re: #90 allegro

Without pointing out that the dispersants are seriously toxic and will remain in the environment for at least 2-3 years.

I don't know what dispersant y'all are talking about, but locally, there's some question about whether this dispersant has been tested sufficiently to be considered safe.

99 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:39:37pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

I don't know what dispersant y'all are talking about, but locally, there's some question about whether this dispersant has been tested sufficiently to be considered safe.

bomb it with straw, tons of straw

100 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:40:19pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

It was a more innocent time, but I made it to ninth grade without knowing what "queer" meant. I knew it was bad. That's why I yelled it at my best friend, from the top of the high dive, at a public pool, in front of a very cool female life guard.

Wasn't that common were I grew up. We did use it around our circle of friends but it was almost a term of chiding endearment. Maybe it was a 70s thing or just our group. One thing's for certain we didn't give it much thought since we were already idolizing David Bowie, Elton John, etc.

101 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:40:33pm

re: #94 Cato the Elder

You make the perfect the enemy of the good.

That would make those who accept this as great news perfect allies of the bad.

102 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:40:45pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Were... where.

103 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:40:51pm

re: #90 allegro

Without pointing out that the dispersants are seriously toxic and will remain in the environment for at least 2-3 years.

That is why this is good news, the subsea delivery is not only more effective in dispersing the crude oil, less volume of dispersant chemical is required.

104 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:41:20pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder

Umm, more transparently bullshitty?

He was resisting Lamar Smith's attempt to put him into a bullshit gotcha situation. And they still tried to make it into a gotcha moment, of course.

That's the beauty of this kind of bullshit. No matter how the subject responds, you can still use it to advance the outrageous outrage.

105 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:41:30pm

re: #82 Bagua

For good news on the gulf oil spill.

Doug Suttles, BP executive says:

“Subsea dispersants are working. “

Subsea application requires less dispersant to be used and results in less oil reaching the surface.

Also, the insertion tube which failed the first try has been adjusted on the surface and returned to the sea floor in preparation of another try tonight.

And every four days the Exxon Valdez is replicated in the Gulf of Mexico. They have no fucking idea how to stop the gusher and are trying everything they can think of...except cutting the pipe closer to the base of the well so they only have one leak to deal with...of course, the problem with that is that the one leak will be pretty fuckin' heavy.

I'll applaud BP's efforts when they return the Gulf to its original state.

106 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:41:36pm

re: #97 Ojoe

It will happen, future mining.

IIRC, much of the gold being "mined" is being taken from spoil piles from earlier operations. The new prices and new technologies make waste valuable.

107 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:41:47pm

re: #80 Gus 802

It's a reflection of modern day schoolyard bullying which lasts all the way through high school. Typically one boy will get enraged about something and he'll scream out "you're a fagg*t!" The interchange then follows a pattern based around that theme. Back and forth it goes. The theory is that if you scream it loud enough the other person will magically change their sexual orientation. It's rather dumb: if you disagree with manthen they obviously have sex with other men? Childish to say the least but probably more adolescent in nature.

Definitely a testosterone, male thing. Women don't say homosexual slurs at each other.

108 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:41:59pm

Waaah! Use straw, or human hair! Chemicals evil! Mongo no like!

109 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:42:20pm

re: #76 sandbox

Sure:

[Video]

Maybe I needed to see more of what went on than is shown in that clip, but I can't figure what the purpose of that line of questioning was supposed to be.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:42:46pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Wasn't that common were I grew up. We did use it around our circle of friends but it was almost a term of chiding endearment. Maybe it was a 70s thing or just our group. One thing's for certain we didn't give it much thought since we were already idolizing David Bowie, Elton John, etc.

'Queer' I never heard until I heard it as a 'reclaiming' term.

We said 'faggot' and 'homo'.

111 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:42:48pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Wasn't that common were I grew up. We did use it around our circle of friends but it was almost a term of chiding endearment. Maybe it was a 70s thing or just our group. One thing's for certain we didn't give it much thought since we were already idolizing David Bowie, Elton John, etc.

This was the late fifties, when it was seriously bad. Nice female LG 'splained it to me.

112 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:42:58pm

re: #88 Charles

I'm defending him, yes -- definitely. This is another stupid fake outrage.

To me it was another attempt at a gotcha moment from Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX). That itself would make anyone from the opposition party resist in playing into this game. That already would make Holders's resistance understandable. He did answer in the affirmative at the end however so there's nothing there for those that want to come to some irrational conclusion.

113 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:43:07pm

re: #104 Charles

He was resisting Lamar Smith's attempt to put him into a bullshit gotcha situation. And they still tried to make it into a gotcha moment, of course.

That's the beauty of this kind of bullshit. No matter how the subject responds, you can still use it to advance the outrageous outrage.

What would be wrong with saying, "Certainly, radical Islam would seem to play a role in many such cases"?

Too painful for the Muslim World to hear?

Fuck them.

114 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:43:37pm

re: #88 Charles

Come on Charles. Of course the Congressman was grandstanding, but Holder walked right into in. All he had to do was acknowledge the obvious: that radical islam may have been one of the causes of these various attacks. He had so much difficulty bringing himself to say there is a problem with radical islam. He is our Attorney General after all--we deserve better, IMO.

115 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:43:59pm

re: #109 reine.de.tout

Maybe I needed to see more of what went on than is shown in that clip, but I can't figure what the purpose of that line of questioning was supposed to be.

There was no purpose. Smith knew Holder was going to balk at that line, so he worked it as hard as he could.

Political red meat cynicism at its finest.

116 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:44:22pm

re: #113 Cato the Elder

What would be wrong with saying, "Certainly, radical Islam would seem to play a role in many such cases"?

Too painful for the Muslim World to hear?

Fuck them.

He DID say that.

117 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:44:24pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

I've always loved the word 'queer', but I never heard it in that sense till my mid-20s. I just thought it was all old-fashoinedy before that :D


Otherwise yeah, what you said.

or this charming variation:

"I love you man, No Homo!"

118 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:44:38pm

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Waaah! Use straw, or human hair! Chemicals evil! Mongo no like!

Hay or straw will work well.
The problem - they degrade fairly quickly, re-releasing the oil. So it has to be picked up quickly. I believe hay is being used in portions of Florida, to try to protect their coastline.

119 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:44:52pm

Ooh, there are all kinds of reasons why a Muslim guy might plant a bomb in Times Square! Far be it from me to make any assumptions!

120 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:45:01pm

re: #115 Charles

There was no purpose. Smith knew Holder was going to balk at that line, so he worked it as hard as he could.

Political red meat cynicism at its finest.

Exactly.

121 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:45:29pm

re: #116 Charles

He DID say that.

Yeah, after about twenty go-rounds.

He's a PC putz.

122 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:45:38pm

re: #76 sandbox

Sure:

[Video]

Some interview. If Holder didn't give the correct answer in 10 words or less, he cut him off. Why didn't he let him speak?

123 wrenchwench  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:45:48pm

re: #114 sandbox

Come on Charles. Of course the Congressman was grandstanding, but Holder walked right into in. All he had to do was acknowledge the obvious: that radical islam may have been one of the causes of these various attacks. He had so much difficulty bringing himself to say there is a problem with radical islam. He is our Attorney General after all--we deserve better, IMO.

He actually did acknowledge it, and was interrupted while doing it, so that it would look like he didn't. That's what I saw.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:46:06pm

re: #117 windsagio

I've always loved the word 'queer', but I never heard it in that sense till my mid-20s. I just thought it was all old-fashoinedy before that :D

Otherwise yeah, what you said.

or this charming variation:

"I love you man, No Homo!"

OWWW!! I haven't heard that in years. Well, probably not since I got out of high school myself.

125 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:46:13pm

re: #113 Cato the Elder

re: #114 sandbox

You guys are giving the appearance of monomania again >>


Also, hi everyone! Had a frewkin' awesome trip!

126 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:46:14pm

re: #122 marjoriemoon

Some interview. If Holder didn't give the correct answer in 10 words or less, he cut him off. Why didn't he let him speak?

Because he really wasn't interested in the answer.

127 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:46:16pm

re: #122 marjoriemoon

Some interview. If Holder didn't give the correct answer in 10 words or less, he cut him off. Why didn't he let him speak?

Sorry, I didn't mean interview... It pissed me off.

128 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:46:43pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

He actually did acknowledge it, and was interrupted while doing it, so that it would look like he didn't. That's what I saw.

Yep.

129 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:46:57pm

re: #113 Cato the Elder

What would be wrong with saying, "Certainly, radical Islam would seem to play a role in many such cases"?

Too painful for the Muslim World to hear?

Fuck them.

I thought he did say it at the very end.

Again, the line of questioning seemed odd to me; it didn't seem to be going anywhere, and I can't figure out what the purpose was supposed to be - other than just to harangue Holder.

130 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:47:44pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

I thought he did say it at the very end.

Again, the line of questioning seemed odd to me; it didn't seem to be going anywhere, and I can't figure out what the purpose was supposed to be - other than just to harangue Holder.

Bingo!

131 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:48:24pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

I thought he did say it at the very end.

Again, the line of questioning seemed odd to me; it didn't seem to be going anywhere, and I can't figure out what the purpose was supposed to be - other than just to harangue Holder.

Really -- the purpose was solely to throw the wingnut blogs and Fox News some red meat.

132 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:48:40pm

re: #108 Cato the Elder

Waaah! Use straw, or human hair! Chemicals evil! Mongo no like!

I'm looking across at the next ridge from my deck right now...it's probably 3/4 of a mile as the crow flies. I'm trying to imagine how one would, if one wanted to, send a remote device across this valley and cut one of the redwood trees on the other side off at its base...of course, the redwood would have to be under water and spewing 34 gallons of oil as well as natural gas every second. Still, it seems like a hell of a feat.

133 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:48:43pm

Holder and his PC brethren piss me off.

"Well, it could be just about anything that would make a Muslim fly back from Pakiland and try to set off a bomb in Times Square. Maybe he got shorted a wing at Chik-Fil-A. Or maybe he was angry at the Yankees. Really, let's not generalize here."

134 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:49:15pm

re: #131 Charles

Well it is a subject that can always get people upset. Its kinda like when you bring up defacing the American Flag, or Abortion, or Gay Marriage.

135 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:49:36pm

re: #105 darthstar

And every four days the Exxon Valdez is replicated in the Gulf of Mexico. They have no fucking idea how to stop the gusher and are trying everything they can think of...except cutting the pipe closer to the base of the well so they only have one leak to deal with...of course, the problem with that is that the one leak will be pretty fuckin' heavy.

I'll applaud BP's efforts when they return the Gulf to its original state.

I've been very critical of BP, that does not mean we should not acknowledge the first minor improvement.

Your estimations of the size of the spill compared to Valdez is also flawed.

It has been demonstrated that the industry is unable to contain and stop a leak like this in an acceptable amount of time. Thus I have called for a moratorium on deep water drilling until new technology is conclusive proven with in situ tests.

136 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:49:57pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

I thought he did say it at the very end.

Again, the line of questioning seemed odd to me; it didn't seem to be going anywhere, and I can't figure out what the purpose was supposed to be - other than just to harangue Holder.

Seems to me Holder and his ilk need some haranguing if they can't be trusted to say the words "radical Islam" all by themselves.

137 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:50:49pm

re: #114 sandbox

Come on Charles. Of course the Congressman was grandstanding, but Holder walked right into in. All he had to do was acknowledge the obvious: that radical islam may have been one of the causes of these various attacks. He had so much difficulty bringing himself to say there is a problem with radical islam. He is our Attorney General after all--we deserve better, IMO.

He DID say that radical Islam was one reason for terrorism. Really. He did. You could try actually watching the video and listening, instead of believing the stupid Fox News spin.

138 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:51:41pm

re: #135 Bagua

I still think that every executive at BP should be required to have a paid harpy follow them around 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, screaming, "YOU'RE KILLING THE PLANET!" in their ear until the Gulf is fully recovered.

Yes, in all caps and bolded.

139 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:52:29pm

re: #138 darthstar

I think the available harpies are pro-drilling.

140 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:52:39pm

re: #138 darthstar

No italics?

141 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:52:54pm

re: #136 Cato the Elder

Seems to me Holder and his ilk need some haranguing if they can't be trusted to say the words "radical Islam" all by themselves.

So if someone says "radical Islam" three times in sequence does that mean all of the Jihadis vanish from the face of the Earth?

/

142 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:53:27pm

re: #125 windsagio

re: #114 sandbox

You guys are giving the appearance of monomania again >>

Also, hi everyone! Had a frewkin' awesome trip!

Oh, please. Like all I talk about here is radical Islam.

When I do talk about it, though, I talk about it as a real issue and don't try to sweep it under the carpet.

And what the hell is ">>" supposed to indicate?

143 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:53:31pm

re: #138 darthstar

I still think that every executive at BP should be required to have a paid harpy follow them around 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, screaming, "YOU'RE KILLING THE PLANET!" in their ear until the Gulf is fully recovered.

Yes, in all caps and bolded.

I know you do, I try to be patient though.

144 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:53:45pm

re: #141 Gus 802

In the minds of Lamar Smith's base, yes. Yes, it does.

145 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:54:05pm

re: #140 windsagio

No italics?

Hey, I'm pissed off, but I'm not trying to be unreasonable.

146 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:54:33pm

re: #137 Charles

Yes, he did, but Smith had to pull it out of him at the end. Why couldn't Holder acknowledged the obvious from the start. He sounds so... PC.

147 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:54:43pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

It's like / only different.

148 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:54:49pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

+because you're right that I'm somewhat misusing the term 'monomania', but it does seem to cause a kind of short-circuit whenever it does come up >

149 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:54:51pm

re: #107 marjoriemoon

Definitely a testosterone, male thing. Women don't say homosexual slurs at each other.

My favorite such epithet is the one my second wife coined for my first wife, "Jabba the Slutt."
Adolescent girls seem to prefer non-human epithets; "bitch," "pig" etc. over homosexual slurs.
Body parts are also popular. When I was in college, the girls I knew would refer to various personal enemies as "tits" or, if alleged to be really evil, by the ever popular "C-word."

150 Virginia Plain  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:55:07pm

re: #138 darthstar

Awesome idea.

151 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:55:45pm

re: #138 darthstar

I still think that every executive at BP should be required to have a paid harpy follow them around 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, screaming, "YOU'RE KILLING THE PLANET!" in their ear until the Gulf is fully recovered.

Yes, in all caps and bolded.

If that's a good idea, every American with a car should be forced to listen to that stupid little refrain at full blast on the stereo from the moment they turn the key in the ignition to the moment they get out and use the bus.

BP produces oil because we all use it. Simple when you think about it, no?

152 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:55:53pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

Forgot to add this. Its an emote I do. used to be all shifty-eyed, now its just muscle memory and reflex ;)

153 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:56:06pm

re: #138 darthstar

I still think that every executive at BP should be required to have a paid harpy follow them around 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, screaming, "YOU'RE KILLING THE PLANET!" in their ear until the Gulf is fully recovered.

Yes, in all caps and bolded.

I would prefer them to be out there covered in slicker, gloves and boots in 90 degree heat trying to save any creatures that might have a chance, day after day, while mountains of stinking corpses grow around them on the beach. I want them to see it, smell it, and feel it.

154 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:56:30pm

re: #148 windsagio

+because you're right that I'm somewhat misusing the term 'monomania', but it does seem to cause a kind of short-circuit whenever it does come up >

>

155 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:56:51pm

re: #146 sandbox

Why is "thinking about the question, and attempting to answer" equated with "PC"?

Are people not able to understand nuance, or anything except a scary word?

156 Virginia Plain  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:57:19pm

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel

My favorite such epithet is the one my second wife coined for my first wife, "Jabba the Slutt."
Adolescent girls seem to prefer non-human epithets; "bitch," "pig" etc. over homosexual slurs.
Body parts are also popular. When I was in college, the girls I knew would refer to various personal enemies as "tits" or, if alleged to be really evil, by the ever popular "C-word."

Women might use fag against men sometimes.

157 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:57:29pm

re: #146 sandbox

Yes, he did, but Smith had to pull it out of him at the end. Why couldn't Holder acknowledged the obvious from the start. He sounds so... PC.

No -- Smith was obsessively going for a gotcha moment, and even interrupted Holder as he was in the middle of acknowledging that radical Islam is one reason for terrorism.

This is why people like Lamar Smith do this kind of manipulative bullshit -- because it obviously works.

158 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:58:17pm

re: #145 darthstar

Hey, I'm pissed off, but I'm not trying to be unreasonable.

You were absent in Houston. At this years Offshore Technology Conference at the Reliant center, where the major players has there equipment on display, only a handful of protesters showed up one morning.

They were corralled out of sight behind the yellow tape holding "No Offshore Drilling" signs and all left around noon before the day got hot. Not too spirited of a protest.

159 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:58:25pm

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel

My favorite such epithet is the one my second wife coined for my first wife, "Jabba the Slutt."
Adolescent girls seem to prefer non-human epithets; "bitch," "pig" etc. over homosexual slurs.
Body parts are also popular. When I was in college, the girls I knew would refer to various personal enemies as "tits" or, if alleged to be really evil, by the ever popular "C-word."

I had an aunt in Pittsburgh who was qualified to teach vocabulary to bo'suns, but she mastered common invective. Her most killing words were "cur" and "peasant". That's why I still insist there are no bad words--it's all in the inflection.

160 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:59:20pm

An NPR investigation says leak could be 10 times greater than stated:[Link: www.npr.org...]

161 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:59:55pm

re: #157 Charles

Lamar Smith

No -- Smith was obsessively going for a gotcha moment, and even interrupted Holder as he was in the middle of acknowledging that radical Islam is one reason for terrorism.

This is why people like Lamar Smith do this kind of manipulative bullshit -- because it obviously works.

What would be wrong with Holder just saying "yes"?

It's the truth, it's plain and simple, and yet there he is doing the dipsy-do-wah-diddle about people with a false idea of Islam and bleepity-bloopity-blah.

PC bullshit at its finest.

162 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:00:44pm

Wait...what?

Obama is not the Anti-Christ?

Says who?

163 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:01:11pm

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel

My favorite such epithet is the one my second wife coined for my first wife, "Jabba the Slutt."
Adolescent girls seem to prefer non-human epithets; "bitch," "pig" etc. over homosexual slurs.
Body parts are also popular. When I was in college, the girls I knew would refer to various personal enemies as "tits" or, if alleged to be really evil, by the ever popular "C-word."

lol Well even the C word, B word or whatever isn't homosexual. Nasty yes, gay no. I think for some guys, it's the ultimate put down (obviously) and the raunchier the better.

164 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:01:54pm

re: #162 Jeff In Ohio

Wait...what?

Obama is not the Anti-Christ?

Says who?

Rupert Murdoch, aka THE ANTI-CHRIST!

/

165 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:01:57pm

re: #156 Virginia Plain

Women might use fag against men sometimes.

I never called a man I was angry at a fag. An F* idiot, maybe, but not a fag.

166 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:02:18pm

It's not all about radical Islam.

167 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:03:20pm

re: #161 Cato the Elder

Actually, you have a point. One word answers to the Republican questions would be a riot and probably send them over the edge.

"Do you not agree that Radical Islam wants to kill grandma?"
"Yes."
"Yes, you do agree, or yes you do not agree?"
"Yes."
"Mr. Holder, I am asking you [blah blah blah until someone says 'The Senator has 30 seconds left of his allotted time]. And you are saying you do or do not agree with this?"
"Yes."
[GOP head exploding]

168 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:03:41pm

re: #166 Gus 802

It's not all about radical Islam.

Who the fuck said it was?

The guy who put the bomb in Times Square was all about it, though.

169 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:03:47pm

re: #164 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Rupert Murdoch, aka THE ANTI-CHRIST!

/

Rupert and I are lovers.

170 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:04:22pm

re: #165 marjoriemoon

I never called a man I was angry at a fag. An F* idiot, maybe, but not a fag.

Anything that men perceive to be feminizing is apparently the greatest threat to their self-esteem.

171 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:04:45pm

re: #167 darthstar

He could say nothing, and just hold up a magic 8-ball.

"Signs point to yes"

172 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:04:45pm

re: #166 Gus 802

It's not all about radical Islam.

What are you referring to?

173 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:05:28pm

re: #169 Jeff In Ohio

Rupert and I are lovers.

Who is the top?

174 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:05:29pm

re: #168 Cato the Elder

Who the fuck said it was?

The guy who put the bomb in Times Square was all about it, though.

That hasn't even been to trial yet. How can anyone say that they have empirical evidence that it was based only on Islam? Do you have such evidence?

175 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:05:41pm

re: #172 sandbox

Maybe he means its also about premeditated demagoguery?

176 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:06:47pm

If Holder can't bring himself to say "yes" when asked if radical Islam could maybe might have something to do with mad Muslim bombers, he could just do this.

177 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:07:19pm

re: #174 Gus 802

That hasn't even been to trial yet. How can anyone say that they have empirical evidence that it was based only on Islam? Do you have such evidence?

Oh, please.

178 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:07:21pm

re: #173 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Who is the top?

I like cake.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:07:24pm

re: #170 allegro

Anything that men perceive to be feminizing is apparently the greatest threat to their self-esteem.

Never figured out why being straight is considered so all-fired masculine. If you were that macho, wouldn't you avoid fooling around with women altogether?

/

180 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:08:41pm

re: #175 windsagio

Maybe he means its also about premeditated demagoguery?

Or a power struggle. Perceived or unperceived instances of colonialism, etc. One could look at the Algerian War as an example. Cultural separation, language barriers, history. One should focus on the Islamic element which is primary however it is not the only symptom.

181 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:08:41pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Never figured out why being straight is considered so all-fired masculine. If you were that macho, wouldn't you avoid fooling around with women altogether?

/

It's all about the wang ladies, it's all about the wang.

182 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:09:02pm

re: #174 Gus 802

That hasn't even been to trial yet. How can anyone say that they have empirical evidence that it was based only on Islam? Do you have such evidence?

Well, it could be a political and not purely religious motive, but that kills the argument of the 'so certain it's almost not worth discussing' crowd. Nuance is evil.

183 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:09:03pm

re: #175 windsagio

Maybe he means its also about premeditated demagoguery?

So saying the words "radical Islam" is now demagoguery?

My, my. I'll have to watch my mouth here from now on.

184 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:09:08pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Never figured out why being straight is considered so all-fired masculine. If you were that macho, wouldn't you avoid fooling around with women altogether?

I know, right? You;d think those female cooties and all that hen-pecking would be a major negative.

185 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:09:12pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Holder and his PC brethren piss me off.

"Well, it could be just about anything that would make a Muslim fly back from Pakiland and try to set off a bomb in Times Square. Maybe he got shorted a wing at Chik-Fil-A. Or maybe he was angry at the Yankees. Really, let's not generalize here."

re: #136 Cato the Elder

Seems to me Holder and his ilk need some haranguing if they can't be trusted to say the words "radical Islam" all by themselves.

I don't like PC bullshit either.

But I know, whether we like it or not, or whether it's right or not - when in a public hearing, especially one that is being filmed, ALL the politicians will play to their audience. And the ones who are asking the questions are the ones in control at a meeting.

Those questions weren't really for Holder. Those questions were designed to make some sort of political point, with a particular audience.

Holder's answers were also careful, and as the responder, he HAD to be careful.

I've been on the receiving end of questioning like that from board members and/or legislators, and it is no fun whatso-fuckin'-ever. They don't really want to know what it is you have to say. All they are interested in is scoring their own political points. These sorts of hearings and that sort of questioning are a waste in a lot of ways.

186 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:09:33pm

re: #174 Gus 802

Shh, there are people who know far more about this than the Attorney General. We must let them scream for a while.

187 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:09:44pm

re: #182 darthstar

Well, it could be a political and not purely religious motive, but that kills the argument of the 'so certain it's almost not worth discussing' crowd. Nuance is evil.

In some cases, it absolutely is.

188 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:10:59pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

Suggested reading for you here

re: #186 erraticsphinx

and more

189 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:11:31pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Never figured out why being straight is considered so all-fired masculine. If you were that macho, wouldn't you avoid fooling around with women altogether?

/

Really masculine men aren't fooling.

190 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:11:51pm

re: #180 Gus 802

You forgot to say that his house got foreclosed--maybe it was a subprime loan so we could blame Barney Frank and Fannie Mae and Countrywide Mortgage and Citibank and Moodys........

191 The Curmudgeon  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:11:55pm

Charles and I seem to be blogging in very different ways. All the email I get is trying to sell me Viagra. It's not very complimentary, but at least it's not threatening.

192 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:11:57pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

I dunno, real men can take 'em and leave 'em

193 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:12:47pm

The Times Square bomber could have been angry that the movie "Avatar" didn't show doggystyle sex, I suppose.

I mean, I was.

194 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:13:28pm

re: #185 reine.de.tout

I don't like PC bullshit either.

But I know, whether we like it or not, or whether it's right or not - when in a public hearing, especially one that is being filmed, ALL the politicians will play to their audience. And the ones who are asking the questions are the ones in control at a meeting.

Those questions weren't really for Holder. Those questions were designed to make some sort of political point, with a particular audience.

Holder's answers were also careful, and as the responder, he HAD to be careful.

I've been on the receiving end of questioning like that from board members and/or legislators, and it is no fun whatso-fuckin'-ever. They don't really want to know what it is you have to say. All they are interested in is scoring their own political points. These sorts of hearings and that sort of questioning are a waste in a lot of ways.

Exactly right. This was a show, not a real question. Lamar Smith could not possibly have cared less about Holder's opinion on the matter -- all he wanted was that red meat.

195 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:13:51pm

re: #188 windsagio

Suggested reading for you here

re: #186 erraticsphinx

and more

Bugger that.

196 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:13:57pm
or for not believing Barack Obama is the Antichrist.

You mean he isn't?

Damn, and here I thought the rapture and armeggedon were right around the corner! Darn it, and I was so looking forward to oceans and rivers of blood and the destruction of more than 3/4's of all life on this planet!

/

197 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:14:52pm

re: #195 Cato the Elder

Bugger that.

And the filaments of the thread magically reunite.

198 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:15:20pm

re: #194 Charles

Exactly right. This was a show, not a real question. Lamar Smith could not possibly have cared less about Holder's opinion on the matter -- all he wanted was that red meat.

And all Holder had to do was say "certainly, you're right" and move on.

It would be the truth, and the painful charade would have been over.

199 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:16:14pm

re: #185 reine.de.tout

"They don't really want to know what it is you have to say. All they are interested in is scoring their own political points. These sorts of hearings and that sort of questioning are a waste in a lot of ways."

'Twas ever thus.

200 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:16:35pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

And all Holder had to do was say "certainly, you're right" and move on.

It would be the truth, and the painful charade would have been over.

If you believe that would have stopped Lamar from continuing to pursue this, you're being really, really naive.

201 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:16:48pm

re: #196 ausador

or for not believing Barack Obama is the Antichrist.

You mean he isn't?

Damn, and here I thought the rapture and armeggedon were right around the corner! Darn it, and I was so looking forward to oceans and rivers of blood and the destruction of more than 3/4's of all life on this planet!

I am waiting for the Evangelicals to be raptured and leave leave all their cool stuff behind which I can acquire for free.

202 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:17:00pm

re: #195 Cato the Elder

Bugger that.

not doing a ton to misprove my point >>

203 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:18:26pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

The Times Square bomber could have been angry that the movie "Avatar" didn't show doggystyle sex, I suppose.

I mean, I was.

Sovereignty is an international concept as is nationalism. There are numerous secular components that can come into play. However rightly or wrongly we feel about them that could be a factor in what motivates such terrorists. If one is to profile and simply focus on a particular aspect of a terrorist (or criminal) than they will fail to get a well rounded picture. One of those secular components may be Pakistani nationalism.

204 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:18:42pm

re: #202 windsagio

not doing a ton to misprove my point >>

What does "misprove" mean?

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:18:55pm

re: #201 Reginald Perrin

I am waiting for the Evangelicals to be raptured and leave leave all their cool stuff behind which I can acquire for free.

I'm growing increasingly worried about the impact of the Rapture on the wellbeing of the United States. We probably have more saved Christians per square mile than anywhere except perhaps Samoa.

Economically, militarily, in every possible way, this is going to hit us much harder than, say, India, China, Russia...I'm starting to get a little worried.

Also, if the Rapture happens during rush hour, it's gonna be carnage.

206 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:19:16pm

re: #204 Cato the Elder

What does "misprove" mean?

When a young woman comes up with it.

207 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:19:43pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm growing increasingly worried about the impact of the Rapture on the wellbeing of the United States. We probably have more saved Christians per square mile than anywhere except perhaps Samoa.

Economically, militarily, in every possible way, this is going to hit us much harder than, say, India, China, Russia...I'm starting to get a little worried.

Also, if the Rapture happens during rush hour, it's gonna be carnage.

And a lot of new cars!

/

208 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:20:17pm

I'm still building the streaming media server. The idea is to play stuff from any of the four pc's in the house to the bigscreen home theater system.
I thought this was going to be harder, but it turns out that DVI out is compatible with HDMI cables and protocol as long as you shell out for an adapter.
I thought I was going to have to get a special box or adapter or something....

209 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:20:19pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Sovereignty is an international concept as is nationalism. There are numerous secular components that can come into play. However rightly or wrongly we feel about them that could be a factor in what motivates such terrorists. If one is to profile and simply focus on a particular aspect of a terrorist (or criminal) than they will fail to get a well rounded picture. One of those secular components may be Pakistani nationalism.

Sure. Because Paki nationalists have been real prominent as terrorists lately.

I suppose he could have done it out of love for Jodie Foster, too.

210 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:20:25pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Very true, there are most definitely Pakistanis who hate American not because it's a beacon of liberty and cake and Christianity or whatever, but actually because they think it's in league with India (whom they believe is behind everything terrible that happens in Pakistan) . India is enemy above all.

211 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:20:30pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm growing increasingly worried about the impact of the Rapture on the wellbeing of the United States. We probably have more saved Christians per square mile than anywhere except perhaps Samoa.

Economically, militarily, in every possible way, this is going to hit us much harder than, say, India, China, Russia...I'm starting to get a little worried.

Also, if the Rapture happens during rush hour, it's gonna be carnage.

Oh, I think its going to be hilarious when the majority of them look around and realize they didn't get picked because they've been a bunch of self-righteous douchebags.

212 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:21:07pm

re: #200 Charles

If you believe that would have stopped Lamar from continuing to pursue this, you're being really, really naive.

Am I?

What do you suppose the big trap was that was being laid?

213 SpaceJesus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:21:43pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

party with kegs and tons of strippers at pat robertson's house when it does

214 SpaceJesus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:22:10pm

re: #211 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

nvm partied canceled

215 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:22:43pm

re: #204 Cato the Elder

In this case it means you're trying to dodge the concepts above >>

216 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:23:22pm

re: #211 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh, I think its going to be hilarious when the majority of them look around and realize they didn't get picked because they've been a bunch of self-righteous douchebags.

Or a deity with a sense of irony could drop a few of them, smoking, in Castro and the Village.

217 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:23:22pm

re: #208 Thanos

I'm still building the streaming media server. The idea is to play stuff from any of the four pc's in the house to the bigscreen home theater system.
I thought this was going to be harder, but it turns out that DVI out is compatible with HDMI cables and protocol as long as you shell out for an adapter.
I thought I was going to have to get a special box or adapter or something...

Does your video card support outputting the audio through the unused DVI pins?

218 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:24:15pm

re: #215 windsagio

In this case it means you're trying to dodge the concepts above >>

No, I just prefer to choose my own reading. You can post Wiki pages at me all day long and I won't do more than mouse-hover over them.

219 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:25:16pm

re: #188 windsagio

Your link was great. Thank you!

Very illuminating, and becoming increasingly more so as the thread goes on.

220 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:26:56pm

When was political correctness declared a capital crime anyway? When giving testimony, politicians tend to tiptoe around expressions that may offend religious groups, even if such expressions are accurate. Holder would be equally careful with phrases that could offend Christians, Jews, etc.

221 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:27:11pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

Am I?

What do you suppose the big trap was that was being laid?

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll repeat myself.

Lamar Smith knew Holder would resist his simplistic red meat buzzwords, so he hammered them over and over to give Fixed News and the wingnut blogs something to hyperventilate over. Which they promptly did, all week.

This isn't brain surgery. It's cynical American politics as usual.

222 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:28:08pm

re: #209 Cato the Elder

Sure. Because Paki nationalists have been real prominent as terrorists lately.

I suppose he could have done it out of love for Jodie Foster, too.

Actually yes they are. 85 - 95 pct of the terrorists who come out of Pakistan the past two decades are driven by tribal nationalism, Pan-Pashto, and other derivatives. Most of them really want to form the Pashtun homeland by taking all of the Pakistan tribal regions, part of Southern Afghanistan, and part of Eastern Iran.

Most of the terror groups are involved in destabilizing Kashmir, and taking back the parts held by China and India. They also work to destabilize India, Iranian Balochi tribelands, and believe it or not even teaching Bangladesh a lesson for having the temerity to split off.

Nationalism is a big component, it's just not so inclusive of the Sindh or Punjab

223 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:29:09pm

re: #217 Bagua

Does your video card support outputting the audio through the unused DVI pins?

Mongo not sure yet, It's HDMI 1.03 compatible -- it won't do the ethernet in other words, but sound should be ok.

224 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:29:15pm

re: #218 Cato the Elder

If you're going to play it that way, its a short article.

Emotional reasoning is a cognitive error whereby a person who is nervous or anxious resorts to emotional reactions to determine a course of action. For example, an anxious test-taker might feel that he does not understand the material. He might feel as though he doesn't understand at all, but in fact is perfectly capable of answering the questions, and is merely insecure about it. By acting on the basis of his insecurity, he might assume he does not know the answers and guess randomly. Thus he creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure. In this way, emotional reasoning amplifies the effects of other cognitive distortions.

225 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:30:00pm

re: #223 Thanos

Mongo not sure yet, It's HDMI 1.03 compatible -- it won't do the ethernet in other words, but sound should be ok.

What's the model number?

226 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:31:09pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm growing increasingly worried about the impact of the Rapture on the wellbeing of the United States. We probably have more saved Christians per square mile than anywhere except perhaps Samoa.

Economically, militarily, in every possible way, this is going to hit us much harder than, say, India, China, Russia...I'm starting to get a little worried.

Also, if the Rapture happens during rush hour, it's gonna be carnage.

At least NYC is safe. I doubt Rapture will even be noticed around these parts.

227 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:32:11pm

The Elusive Jellyfish Nebula

228 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:32:12pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

Am I?

What do you suppose the big trap was that was being laid?

Very often, the people doing the questioning in these sorts of things already know the answers before the meeting even begins.

The purpose of the hearing is to get things into the public record; and once there, it can be pulled out by anybody and used to wreak havoc on people who are not careful in their phrasing when they answer the questions.

If you're the one being questioned, you want to be VERY careful in your answers. Always.

All of these people were playing the game - as it's always been played. All of them. The purpose of these hearings is not to obtain clarity - it's to score political points. Those asking the questions don't REALLY want to know what the answer is, they just want to use their ability to ask questions to score political points. Those being questioned want to answer carefully, to do the same thing, but the ones asking the questions are holding most of the cards.

229 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:32:42pm

re: #222 Thanos

Yep, the current conspiracy among the tribal nationalists in Pakistan is that India (and...gasp...ISRAEL) is in a league with the Balochi nationalists to destroy and dismember Pakistan.

Lashkar-e-Taiba was mainly founded to "liberate" Kashmir, their recent worldwide Jihad pronouncements nonwithstanding.

230 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:32:48pm

re: #221 Charles

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll repeat myself.

Lamar Smith knew Holder would resist his simplistic red meat buzzwords, so he hammered them over and over to give Fixed News and the wingnut blogs something to hyperventilate over. Which they promptly did, all week.

This isn't brain surgery. It's cynical American politics as usual.

I fail to see how the obvious, plain truth that radical Islam is behind many of these attempted acts of terror (and successful ones, too) is a read-meat buzzword.

Perhaps this blog has become too, too subtle for me.

231 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:32:51pm

re: #221 Charles

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll repeat myself.

Lamar Smith knew Holder would resist his simplistic red meat buzzwords, so he hammered them over and over to give Fixed News and the wingnut blogs something to hyperventilate over. Which they promptly did, all week.

This isn't brain surgery. It's cynical American politics as usual.

No need to repeat yourself. Those with a predisposition to believe Fox news will see Holder as somehow defending radical Islam. Those who can think for themselves will recognize that Holder was getting trapped, and handled the situation as well as one would expect given assholes like Lamar Smith and their interviewing strategy of interrupt, ignore, and incite.

232 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:33:09pm

re: #225 Bagua

What's the model number?

It's a GTX 360 one of the kids bought and then swapped out for an better ATI card. (It used to be them getting my hand me downs, I like it now that it's reversed....)

233 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:33:42pm

re: #224 windsagio

If you're going to play it that way, its a short article.

Bugger it anyway. Scrollover.

234 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:33:53pm

re: #230 Cato the Elder

It's not the blog, it's you.

235 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:33:54pm

re: #231 darthstar

No need to repeat yourself. Those with a predisposition to believe Fox news will see Holder as somehow defending radical Islam. Those who can think for themselves will recognize that Holder was getting trapped, and handled the situation as well as one would expect given assholes like Lamar Smith and their interviewing strategy of interrupt, ignore, and incite.

In a hearing like this, everyone with the ability to ask the question sis an asshole, and will use that ability to score whatever points they can.

236 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:33:56pm

Diane Birch - Valentino (Official Music Video)

Youtube Video
237 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:34:39pm

re: #234 erraticsphinx

It's not the blog, it's you.

Well, in that case, goodbye.

238 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:34:53pm

re: #228 reine.de.tout

That's why the opening statement is key. Anticipate the 'gotcha' questions, try to address them in your opening statement, and then, when the questions are asked, simply say, "I addressed that in my opening statement, or were you not listening...there's a copy in front of you and I can point to the relevant lines."

Yes, it's rude, and it says, "Fuck you, Senator," but sometimes it's necessary.

239 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:35:29pm

Rapture would also cause another price collapse in the housing market, which is really the last thing we need at this point.

240 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:36:39pm

re: #239 Nimed

Rapture would also cause another price collapse in the housing market, which is really the last thing we need at this point.

Funniest thing I have read in a month.

Thanks!

241 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:37:09pm

re: #238 darthstar

That's why the opening statement is key. Anticipate the 'gotcha' questions, try to address them in your opening statement, and then, when the questions are asked, simply say, "I addressed that in my opening statement, or were you not listening...there's a copy in front of you and I can point to the relevant lines."

Yes, it's rude, and it says, "Fuck you, Senator," but sometimes it's necessary.

Exactly! The opening statement is key. I can recall in my last job, when I was new to it, my boss telling me before I spoke at a meeting - remember who your audience is. It isn't the panel. It's the people listening in the audience. Speak to them.

242 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:37:34pm

re: #239 Nimed

Rapture would also cause another price collapse in the housing market, which is really the last thing we need at this point.

If rapture only happens to the truly pure and righteous, I imagine there will be very few empty houses to worry about.

243 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:37:40pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

Well, in that case, goodbye.

Cato, No.

244 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:38:04pm

re: #239 Nimed

Rapture would also cause another price collapse in the housing market, which is really the last thing we need at this point.

Hey, free stuff! Think of all the gold and seeds that'll be left just sitting there.

245 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:38:32pm

re: #243 Nick Morgan

Be a man!

246 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:38:46pm

re: #230 Cato the Elder

I fail to see how the obvious, plain truth that radical Islam is behind many of these attempted acts of terror (and successful ones, too) is a read-meat buzzword.

Perhaps this blog has become too, too subtle for me.

Nuance, Cato. Nobody is arguing for radical Islam...but it isn't the be all and end all of the the discussion on terrorism...though enough people have such strong views on Islam in general (praise Jesus/) that any mention of it serves as 'red meat'...certainly you can understand that. But hey, what do I know? I'm just some ignorant asshole.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:39:22pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

Well, in that case, goodbye.

???!

248 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:39:51pm

re: #245 windsagio

Be a man!

moi?

249 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:41:46pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

Unless he's fallen off the nicotine wagon, Cato is in his 8th or 9th day of withdrawl.

250 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:42:13pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

Well, in that case, goodbye.

Holy crap...you really did take your ball and leave. Catch you when you return then. Cheers.

251 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:42:41pm

re: #231 darthstar

I don't see Holder in any way defending radical islam, as you wrote, he is just too PC to identify it as one of the causes of the attacks. Americans expect more from their Attorney General and, I would guess, there are many in the White House who would like Holder to quit. He has become Exhibit A for the Republican case that Obama is soft on Radical Islamic Terrorism, despite the fact that the Obama administration has continued the war in Iraq and actually ramped up the war in Af/Pak.

252 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:44:28pm

re: #251 sandbox

I don't see Holder in any way defending radical islam, as you wrote, he is just too PC to identify it as one of the causes of the attacks. Americans expect more from their Attorney General and, I would guess, there are many in the White House who would like Holder to quit. He has become Exhibit A for the Republican case that Obama is soft on Radical Islamic Terrorism, despite the fact that the Obama administration has continued the war in Iraq and actually ramped up the war in Af/Pak.

He DID identify it as one of the causes of the attacks.

Good grief. Watch the freaking video!

253 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:44:33pm

re: #91 Cato the Elder

I disagree.

Holder is a PC putzball.

Quite Concur.

254 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:44:44pm

re: #251 sandbox

How is Obama "soft" on radical Islamic terrorism? Who are these people in the White House who would want Holder to quit, and for what?

And Holder DID identify Radical Islam as a cause of the attacks. He just didn't do it in the chest thumping way which signifies intelligence for wingnuts. That's the main problem.

255 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:44:59pm

re: #251 sandbox

So you are arguing that there is no basis whatsoever for any criticism on anyone's part, but it's still a terrible thing and there it is. Got it.

256 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:45:52pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

Well, in that case, goodbye.

Don't say that, Cato. I'm here and I agree with you.

257 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:47:02pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

I wasn't gonna say anything, but seriously, how is this any different than any other person saying the same thing?

Usually people cheer and gloat when someone says something like that.

258 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:47:24pm

re: #188 windsagio

Suggested reading for you here

re: #186 erraticsphinx

and more

Cato is a lot of things, but neither of those are among them.

259 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:47:25pm

That wasn't a flounce, was it?

260 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:47:59pm

re: #255 allegro

So you are arguing that there is no basis whatsoever for any criticism on anyone's part, but it's still a terrible thing and there it is. Got it.

Yeah, that's pretty much what's happening. The people who are freaking out over this know very well that Smith was just going for a gotcha moment, but they don't care because they think it gave them a political advantage. It's a pointless wingnut charade, signifying nothing.

261 jamesfirecat  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:48:05pm

re: #81 sandbox

You're not defending Holder in this case, are you?

I honestly could not care less about our enemy. Whatever the focus group says goes over best with Achmed six camel, that's what I want us to use.

262 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:49:29pm

There are certainly people out there who think in simplex terms, They want all conclusions on terror to be easy. There's a whole religious and nationalist lobby out there that likes to drive that perception too.

The simplex thinkers want the only factor to be one religion. That way they can buttress their fear and bigotry, rather than deal with so many complex factors of fucked updedness about the Middle East and Asian subcontinent. That way they can make 1.5 billion people the "other" have have their fricken holy war.

It's never that simplex, it's not just Islam. It's monarchies that stretch back to times before Islam existed, it's tribal nationalism and xenophobia, it's masses of backwards uneducated medieval level serfs (land reform in the ME and Subcontinent baddddddly needed everywhere.) It's rulers who think the way to keep themselves strong is to fuck up their neighbors every chance they get, and put subversive groups inside their neighbor's realms to ensure that they can.
It's poverty, it's energy paucity, it's ignorance, it's disease, it's despair, it's all of the above and it's real humans who are caught in that grinder of complex factors, and most of them just want to survive it as long as they can.

263 jamesfirecat  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:49:41pm

re: #95 Ojoe

Fishing for gotcha is one of the big defects of the media.

Yeah our politicians are stupid enough to make plenty of mistakes on their own!

264 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:49:43pm

re: #258 reine.de.tout

I think its totally worth people keeping that kind of reasoning in mind, because all people are prone to it. It's something we certainly wanna avoid, no?

The latter was a specific response to erraticsphinx, and is EXACTLY what Mr. Sphinx was talking about. I thought he'd find it interesting, and he did.

265 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:50:35pm

re: #254 erraticsphinx

I'm saying the Republicans are making the case that the Obama administration is soft on radical islamic terrorism. See Scott Brown R-Mass. who used the issue to great effect. Remember Holder still has not said that KSM et al will not be tried in NYC.

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:50:52pm

re: #251 sandbox

I don't see Holder in any way defending radical islam, as you wrote, he is just too PC to identify it as one of the causes of the attacks. Americans expect more from their Attorney General and, I would guess, there are many in the White House who would like Holder to quit. He has become Exhibit A for the Republican case that Obama is soft on Radical Islamic Terrorism, despite the fact that the Obama administration has continued the war in Iraq and actually ramped up the war in Af/Pak.

So the actual conduct of the war is irrelevant, what matters is whether the right code words get said?

267 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:51:43pm

re: #265 sandbox

So basically there is no legitimate criticism, and it's the same old Republican screeching and screaming about nontroversies?

We agree, then.

268 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:52:09pm

re: #262 Thanos

There are certainly people out there who think in simplex terms, They want all conclusions on terror to be easy. There's a whole religious and nationalist lobby out there that likes to drive that perception too.

The simplex thinkers want the only factor to be one religion. That way they can buttress their fear and bigotry, rather than deal with so many complex factors of fucked updedness about the Middle East and Asian subcontinent. That way they can make 1.5 billion people the "other" have have their fricken holy war.

It's never that simplex, it's not just Islam. It's monarchies that stretch back to times before Islam existed, it's tribal nationalism and xenophobia, it's masses of backwards uneducated medieval level serfs (land reform in the ME and Subcontinent badddly needed everywhere.) It's rulers who think the way to keep themselves strong is to fuck up their neighbors every chance they get, and put subversive groups inside their neighbor's realms to ensure that they can.
It's poverty, it's energy paucity, it's ignorance, it's disease, it's despair, it's all of the above and it's real humans who are caught in that grinder of complex factors, and most of them just want to survive it as long as they can.

Well, hey, that's a lot of twenty dollar words, but what about radical Islam?

/need I?

269 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:52:32pm

re: #264 windsagio

I think its totally worth people keeping that kind of reasoning in mind, because all people are prone to it. It's something we certainly wanna avoid, no?

The latter was a specific response to erraticsphinx, and is EXACTLY what Mr. Sphinx was talking about. I thought he'd find it interesting, and he did.

OH, I found it interesting too, I actually observed those things going on among employees for the 30 years I worked in the HR field. It was very interesting.

But they don't apply to Cato.

270 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:52:59pm

re: #262 Thanos

Well put Thanos.

271 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:53:24pm

re: #232 Thanos

It's a GTX 360 one of the kids bought and then swapped out for an better ATI card. (It used to be them getting my hand me downs, I like it now that it's reversed...)

Is it not actually a GTX 260? That is extreme over kill. With the adapter that supports HDMI right off the card. You are all set but connect the internal SPDIF input to send the audio of the HDMI via unused DVI pins.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:53:24pm

re: #265 sandbox

I'm saying the Republicans are making the case that the Obama administration is soft on radical islamic terrorism. See Scott Brown R-Mass. who used the issue to great effect. Remember Holder still has not said that KSM et al will not be tried in NYC.

That's because he will be. Because Holder does not wet his pants whenever terrorists are mentioned.

273 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:54:18pm

re: #257 windsagio

I wasn't gonna say anything, but seriously, how is this any different than any other person saying the same thing?

Usually people cheer and gloat when someone says something like that.

When it's some jerk who's been trolling, then yes I'd jeer them. But Cato is valuable contributor to this blog. If he leaves, I'd miss him greatly.

274 jamesfirecat  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:54:29pm

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

That's because he will be. Because Holder does not wet his pants whenever terrorists are mentioned.

/But don't you know that terrorists have magical Freedom draining powers? Just having them on American Soil makes us less safe and less free!

275 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:55:02pm

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

No, KSM will not be tried in NYC. It's not gonna happen.

276 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:55:48pm

re: #268 Charles

Well, hey, that's a lot of twenty dollar words, but what about radical Islam?

/need I?

Actually Charles, you do need that /sarc tag, otherwise I'd think you'd posted a Sarah Palin quote.

277 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:56:04pm

re: #269 reine.de.tout

I hate to be that guy, but we certainly disagree about the first point. That kind of reasoning most certainly does describe Cato.

278 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:56:36pm

re: #275 sandbox

No, KSM will not be tried in NYC. It's not gonna happen.

WTF difference does it make where he's tried?

279 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:56:38pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

Man, to be frank, it just rubs me wrong as hell when people do a (general-internet style) flounce and people do the "OH NO DON"T LEAVE US!!!" schtick.

280 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:56:52pm

re: #271 Bagua

Is it not actually a GTX 260? That is extreme over kill. With the adapter that supports HDMI right off the card. You are all set but connect the internal SPDIF input to send the audio of the HDMI via unused DVI pins.

It might be a 260, lemme dig up the box

281 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:58:42pm

re: #271 Bagua

Is it not actually a GTX 260? That is extreme over kill. With the adapter that supports HDMI right off the card. You are all set but connect the internal SPDIF input to send the audio of the HDMI via unused DVI pins.

Ok found the box, it's the 260 with 2 DVI outputs, no HDMI

282 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:58:53pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

When it's some jerk who's been trolling, then yes I'd jeer them. But Cato is valuable contributor to this blog. If he leaves, I'd miss him greatly.

As will I, agree or disagree with him, I will miss him, he very often gives me something to think about.

283 darthstar  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:58:59pm

re: #262 Thanos

simplex = hypertetrahedron. Hypertetrahedron thinking is dangerous.

284 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:59:04pm

re: #279 windsagio

Man, to be frank, it just rubs me wrong as hell when people do a (general-internet style) flounce and people do the "OH NO DON"T LEAVE US!!!" schtick.

Just got back and already trying to get lizards to flounce? Must have been an invigorating holiday.

285 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:59:08pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

Falcon, Cato will come back I hope, and defend himself.

But he was acting like the equivalent of a child putting his fingers in his ears and saying "nyah nyah". And then basically saying we were stupid for questioning him, or attempting to link to things he didn't agree with. And being condescending when he was caught not knowing what the hell he's talking about.

286 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:59:38pm

re: #279 windsagio

Maybe it's my fault. If I didn't bring up the latest Holder video tape..........then Cato wouldn't quit, or threaten to quit, LGF.

287 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:01:18pm

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

That's because he will be. Because Holder does not wet his pants whenever terrorists are mentioned.

Hear, hear!

288 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:01:20pm

Hrmm connectors are DVI-I ...

289 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:02:38pm

re: #284 Bagua

Nobody was trying to get anybody to flounce.

290 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:03:16pm

re: #286 sandbox

Don't censor yourself man.

We're all adults here, we all come because we enjoy the discussion or whatever.


You and I may never agree on like ANYTHING, but I wouldn't be comfortable with you self-censoring (unless it was something truly awful, of course, but you know what I mean).

291 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:03:18pm

re: #286 sandbox

Maybe it's my fault. If I didn't bring up the latest Holder video tape...then Cato wouldn't quit, or threaten to quit, LGF.

It was just a bad night--the argument was tame by Lizard rules.

292 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:03:35pm

re: #289 erraticsphinx

Its a reference to a few weeks back when I had a temper tantrum :/

293 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:03:38pm

re: #286 sandbox

Maybe it's my fault. If I didn't bring up the latest Holder video tape...then Cato wouldn't quit, or threaten to quit, LGF.

Nah.

294 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:03:40pm

re: #281 Thanos

Ok found the box, it's the 260 with 2 DVI outputs, no HDMI

No problemo, it supports HDMI through the DVI to HDMI adapter it comes with. Hook up the S/PDIF cable it came with to your sound card and you have full HDMI.

295 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:04:07pm

re: #285 erraticsphinx

Falcon, Cato will come back I hope, and defend himself.

But he was acting like the equivalent of a child putting his fingers in his ears and saying "nyah nyah". And then basically saying we were stupid for questioning him, or attempting to link to things he didn't agree with. And being condescending when he was caught not knowing what the hell he's talking about.

I expect him to return, too. Charles has not banned him, and I think he'll cool off. I actually agreed with him.

296 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:04:16pm

re: #292 windsagio

Oh, oops.

297 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:04:18pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

Well, in that case, goodbye.

I think that was more of a "see you later" comment, myself.

298 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:04:41pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

I have to admit, the 'quitting smoking' argument (if true) makes a certain amount of sense. That's hell on your nerves.

299 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:05:05pm

re: #289 erraticsphinx

Nobody was trying to get anybody to flounce.

Just welcoming windsagio back in my own charming fashion. How else would he know he'd been missed?

300 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:05:50pm

re: #297 Floral Giraffe

I think that was more of a "see you later" comment, myself.

I hope so.

301 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:06:01pm

re: #299 Bagua

Don't worry I got the dig :p


You're wrong of course :D:D

302 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:06:05pm

re: #294 Bagua

No problemo, it supports HDMI through the DVI to HDMI adapter it comes with. Hook up the S/PDIF cable it came with to your sound card and you have full HDMI.

How do you ever expect to fit in when you don't even speak ENGLISH!

303 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:06:24pm

Yo, Cato. If you're reading this get your keister back in here!

304 eneri  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:06:30pm

Ain't love wonderful?

305 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:06:45pm

re: #279 windsagio

Man, to be frank, it just rubs me wrong as hell when people do a (general-internet style) flounce and people do the "OH NO DON"T LEAVE US!!!" schtick.

Tough.

306 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:06:52pm

re: #297 Floral Giraffe

I think that was more of a "see you later" comment, myself.

Quite Concur. And how is Ludwig's long-necked bondage buddy tonight? :D

307 jamesfirecat  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:07:22pm

re: #286 sandbox

Maybe it's my fault. If I didn't bring up the latest Holder video tape...then Cato wouldn't quit, or threaten to quit, LGF.


Clearly we're going to disagree on just about everything.

Dude its not psychologically healthy for you to blame yourself for things you can't control.

Its like you and a friend were having an argument when he was going to spend the night at your place but you were on such bad terms that he decided to leave and got into a car accident on the way back to his home.

We as human beings like to imagine that we have more control of our situations than we really do, but sometimes you need to accept your own helplessness.... and the guiltlessness that comes with it.

If Cato disagreed this strongly on the subject and knowing how LGF threads tend to drift somebody would have brought it up sooner or later.

Don't blame yourself..Pr

308 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:07:28pm

re: #302 allegro

How do you ever expect to fit in when you don't even speak ENGLISH!

This is America man, speak Spanish!

309 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:08:23pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

I read that thread. Illuminating. Disturbing. It was many things.

310 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:08:51pm

re: #305 reine.de.tout

Believe me, I fully support your right to reinforce negative behavior :D

311 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:09:51pm

re: #308 Bagua

This is America man, speak Spanish!

Que?

312 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:10:00pm

re: #309 erraticsphinx

I read that thread. Illuminating. Disturbing. It was many things.

It did get a little kinky.

313 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:11:00pm

re: #297 Floral Giraffe

I think that was more of a "see you later" comment

Who gave you permission to think?

*smack*

314 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:11:52pm

re: #313 Reginald Perrin

LOL. Ok that was funny.

315 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:13:24pm

It is so frustrating to have rum and no coke but no ice. It's almost as bad as having cigarettes with no matches. It's Saturday night. I am very disaffected.

316 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:14:39pm

I've seen goodbyes before at this site and they seem end in banning. Is that the case with Cato?

317 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:15:13pm

re: #315 allegro

It is so frustrating to have rum and no coke but no ice. It's almost as bad as having cigarettes with no matches. It's Saturday night. I am very disaffected.

Do you have any tea?

318 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:16:03pm

re: #313 Reginald Perrin

Who gave you permission to think?

*smack*

Hee Hee!

I don't need permission!
It's LGF!

319 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:16:43pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Do you have any tea?

Only of the green and peppermint variety. It is not equal.

320 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:16:58pm
DOGS LIKE LARS VIKS WILL BARK WILL BARK AND ALWAYS BARK BECAUSE THEY ARE THE TRUE DOGS AND PIGS AND THEIR TASK IS BARKING

Image: 1439503316_f306e2c548.jpg

to the rescue

321 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:18:01pm

re: #286 sandbox

Maybe it's my fault. If I didn't bring up the latest Holder video tape...then Cato wouldn't quit, or threaten to quit, LGF.

This is the internet. Cato is a big boy. If a simple internet fight pushes him, or anyone, away from a community they like, they need a nice hot mug of harden the fuck up.

Furthermore, it's not like Cato has always been a fainting flower, shying away from conflict. People like him are part of the rite of passage here, especially someplace like LGF where your opinions will be challenged and your references checked. If a new poster can't handle a grumpy, sharp-witted stranger with good debate skills picking a fight with them for no good reason, then they need a kinder, gentler internet community. Folks like Cato and Walter are invaluable to this place for that if nothing else. You don't really think he'd walk away because of a little internet fight,do you?

322 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:18:17pm

re: #319 allegro

Only of the green and peppermint variety. It is not equal.

OK Was thinking maybe it could be mixed up with some tea, maybe a little sugar and lemon. Something like that.

323 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:18:20pm

re: #320 negativ

Oh, I loves me some Ceasar Millan.

324 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:19:51pm

re: #259 MandyManners

That wasn't a flounce, was it?

Hi Mandy. I'm wondering the same thing.Can Cato or others of his nature flounce?

325 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:20:05pm

re: #320 negativ

Image: 1439503316_f306e2c548.jpg

to the rescue

Still, that email was severely nuts. The only good thing I can say about it was that the author made no threats of violence. Still, he really caught up in what I'd call "Islamic ELEVENTY!!1"

326 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:20:09pm

re: #324 Nick Morgan

Dude, stop.

327 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:20:39pm

re: #324 Nick Morgan

What's "flounce"?

328 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:20:46pm

re: #316 Nick Morgan

I've seen goodbyes before at this site and they seem end in banning. Is that the case with Cato?

He said good by to the person he was chatting with, not the blog. It is a good idea to log off - or walk out of the pub - when one feels annoyed.

329 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:20:56pm

re: #322 Gus 802

OK Was thinking maybe it could be mixed up with some tea, maybe a little sugar and lemon. Something like that.

Ohhh, you meant TEA. Heh. I was thinking of another herb for which tea is an underground description.

330 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:21:02pm

'Nite, all. No, really, just "Nite".

331 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:21:15pm

re: #324 Nick Morgan

Hi Mandy. I'm wondering the same thing.Can Cato or others of his nature flounce?

Anyone can flounce, but it is far less likely when we are talking about long established commentators like Cato.

332 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:21:54pm

re: #328 Bagua
Sometimes it is better to walk away than to fight.

333 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:22:09pm

re: #329 allegro

Ohhh, you meant TEA. Heh. I was thinking of another herb for which tea is an underground description.

Yeah. I was referring to Earl Grey, etc.

334 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:22:15pm

re: #324 Nick Morgan

Hi Mandy. I'm wondering the same thing.Can Cato or others of his nature flounce?

I don't even know what that means.

335 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:22:21pm

re: #324 Nick Morgan

Hi Mandy. I'm wondering the same thing.Can Cato or others of his nature flounce?

What's your nic at the stalker blog?

336 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:22:55pm

In other news, I read that Civil War book I took on my vacation.

The stuff about the war itself is fun but run-of-the-mill (you've read one description of Gettysburg, you've really read 9/10ths of them), but the first part is freaking amazing, and yet also emotionally trying to read. Its almost impossible to not rage up at the way they acted back then, and you also can see these brilliant painful parallels between the current teaparty/militia/socon groups and the old fire-eaters.

337 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:23:24pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

I love you DD >>

"No Homo"

338 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:23:56pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

'Nite, all. No, really, just "Nite".

Wow? Did he mean " 'nite " I'm going to bed or " 'nite' " goodbye cruel blog I'm off to self-immolate in central park?

339 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:24:15pm

re: #327 sandbox

What's "flounce"?

A flounce is when someone "dramatically" announces they are leaving a blog or forum. Here at LGF, this often consists of the person spewing insults at the commentators here in general and Charles in specific. It's basically someone being a classless jerk.

340 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:24:56pm

re: #335 Bagua

What's your nic at the stalker blog?

What makes you think he's from there?

341 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:25:05pm

re: #324 Nick Morgan

Hi Nick. Are you the lizard that talked about your impressions of JFK's passing?

342 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:28:46pm

re: #338 Bagua

Wow? Did he mean " 'nite " I'm going to bed or " 'nite' " goodbye cruel blog I'm off to self-immolate in central park?

We think it was the former.

343 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:29:15pm

re: #309 erraticsphinx

I read that thread. Illuminating. Disturbing. It was many things.

It was funnier than anything, in real time.

344 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:29:25pm

re: #327 sandbox

What's "flounce"?

[Link: encyclopediadramatica.com...]


nsfw, but %120 accurate.

345 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:29:34pm

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Anyone can flounce, but it is far less likely when we are talking about long established commentators like Cato.

That is what I was trying to ask. I even said "Cato, No". I didn't know.

346 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:29:51pm

re: #336 windsagio

The stuff about the war itself is fun but run-of-the-mill (you've read one description of Gettysburg, you've really read 9/10ths of them), but the first part is freaking amazing, and yet also emotionally trying to read.

One of the most moving experiences I ever had was watching "Gettysburg", a tape of the mini-series, during a vacation in the motorhome, the night before visiting Gettysburg, PA. With the visions of the scenes, battle, etc. so fresh in my head, then seeing the beautiful peaceful fields where so much blood had been shed, the cemetery and tower... it was an extraordinary experience.

347 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:30:14pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

What makes you think he's from there?

Honed instincts.

348 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:30:24pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

What makes you think he's from there?

You've got mail

349 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:31:03pm

re: #326 erraticsphinx

I've stopped.

350 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:31:40pm

re: #343 Floral Giraffe

Even the interruptions from the insane rabbit were pretty incredulous and hilarious. Until they got really personal, of course.

351 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:32:14pm

Evening, honcos. Did everyone have a Happy Nakba Day? Those giant keys keep getting bigger every year. Those Palestinians must have owned some big-ass mansions.

352 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:32:45pm

re: #347 Bagua

Honed instincts.

Didn't he make the claim yesterday that he has been a regular reader of LGF for years?
It's odd that he would not know about flouncing.

353 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:33:31pm

re: #327 sandbox

It is a common word at this. It means saying final words, dramatic or otherwise.

354 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:34:40pm

re: #352 Reginald Perrin

Didn't he make the claim yesterday that he has been a regular reader of LGF for years?
It's odd that he would not know about flouncing.

All the little alert lights are flashing in the Secret Bat Cave.

355 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:34:48pm

re: #351 Alouette

???

356 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:34:51pm

re: #350 erraticsphinx

Even the interruptions from the insane rabbit were pretty incredulous and hilarious. Until they got really personal, of course.

Well, the rabbit got the stick, once it showed it's true colors.
Nasty one, that was.

357 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:35:49pm

re: #354 Bagua

All the little alert lights are flashing in the Secret Bat Cave.

How is the flounceometer holding up?
*waves*

358 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:36:02pm

I sense a young libertarian in the force.

/Obi Wan off

359 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:36:06pm

re: #328 Bagua

Thank you. That explains what I was asking.

360 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:37:04pm

I know that the death toll from the flooding in Tennessee stands at 18 and in no way to I want to lessen their memory, but I also find it sad when disaster strikes sites of cultural and historic significance:

Grand Ole Opry House and Musicians Hall of Fame flooded:

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

361 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:37:56pm

re: #359 Nick Morgan

Thank you. That explains what I was asking.

Hi! How many children do you have?

362 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:38:45pm

re: #357 Floral Giraffe

How is the flounceometer holding up?
*waves*

Hi Sweetie... at the moment the Flounce-0-Meter™ is flashing the yellow intruder alert.

363 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:39:44pm

re: #362 Bagua

Hi Sweetie... at the moment the Flounce-0-Meter™ is flashing the yellow intruder alert.

Yes, him and the guy with no teeth.

364 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:39:48pm

re: #341 prairiefire

Hi Nick. Are you the lizard that talked about your impressions of JFK's passing?

I was asked a few nights ago. Why?

365 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:39:59pm

re: #361 prairiefire

Hi! How many children do you have?

OK, maybe it's just me, but that has to be the disconnected question of the season. WTF do children have to do with Cato's departure?

366 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:40:34pm

re: #362 Bagua

Hi Sweetie... at the moment the Flounce-0-Meter™ is flashing the yellow intruder alert.

I'm cross checking your readings with mine, will have an analysis shortly.

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:41:44pm

re: #329 allegro

Ohhh, you meant TEA. Heh. I was thinking of another herb for which tea is an underground description.

My father is a bastard,
My ma's an S.O.B.
My grandpa's always plastered,
My grandma pushes tea.
My sister wears a mustache,
My brother wears a dress.
Goodness gracious, that's why I'm a mess!

368 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:41:49pm

re: #324 Nick Morgan

Hi Mandy. I'm wondering the same thing.Can Cato or others of his nature flounce?

I was mildly sympathetic until I read the top two bottom 10.

369 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:42:06pm

re: #362 Bagua

Hi Sweetie... at the moment the Flounce-0-Meter™ is flashing the yellow intruder alert.

We could have used your wit (and flounceometer) the other night!

370 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:43:00pm

re: #355 erraticsphinx

???

That's a quaint ancient Palestinian traditional instrument, just like this quaint ancient tradition of standing at attention during a 2-minute siren to "remember their catastrophe" of failing to annihilate the Jews.

In fact it seems that every "quaint ancient tradition" the Palestinians have, is ripped off from someone else in recent history.

Also, these "Nakba" festivities prove that "settlements" are NOT the reason there is no peace.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:43:09pm

re: #351 Alouette

Evening, honcos. Did everyone have a Happy Nakba Day? Those giant keys keep getting bigger every year. Those Palestinians must have owned some big-ass mansions.

Conveniently, keys on necklaces are currently very hip...

372 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:43:49pm

re: #364 Nick Morgan

I was asked a few nights ago. Why?

I find the heartfelt postings about JFK's passing very touching.

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:43:51pm

re: #351 Alouette

Evening, honcos. Did everyone have a Happy Nakba Day? Those giant keys keep getting bigger every year. Those Palestinians must have owned some big-ass mansions.

OK, I like the big khaffiyeh being lifted by balloons.

374 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:44:05pm

re: #368 MandyManners

I was mildly sympathetic until I read the top two bottom 10.

Meh. At least they're where they belong, atop the bottom ten!
((MM))

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:44:21pm

re: #358 erraticsphinx

I sense a young libertarian in the force.

/Obi Wan off

Hey, I called that yesterday!

376 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:44:37pm

re: #361 prairiefire

Hi! How many children do you have?

Not that it is any of you fucking business but I have two children. A 22 year old son and a 19 year old daughter.Why do you ask?

377 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:44:44pm

re: #371 SanFranciscoZionist

Conveniently, keys on necklaces are currently very hip...

Yes, my daughter is completely down the rabbit hole.

378 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:45:05pm

re: #371 SanFranciscoZionist

Conveniently, keys on necklaces are currently very hip...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

379 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:45:38pm

re: #376 Nick Morgan

Not that it is any of you fucking business but I have two children. A 22 year old son and a 19 year old daughter.Why do you ask?

Just curious. I am a parent as well.

380 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:45:42pm

re: #374 Floral Giraffe

Meh. At least they're where they belong, atop the bottom ten!
((MM))

Septic tank is more like it.

381 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:45:50pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

382 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:46:08pm

re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist

:)

383 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:46:39pm

re: #376 Nick Morgan

Simmah down, now. Simmah down.

384 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:47:18pm

re: #376 Nick Morgan

Not that it is any of you fucking business but I have two children. A 22 year old son and a 19 year old daughter.Why do you ask?

We are concerned you may be a sock puppet. Some of what you have said resembles the tactics of a unwanted and frequently banner poster here primarily known by the nic "YoungLibertarian92", normally shortened to "YL92".

385 Cheechako  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:47:31pm

Here's a great photo:

Hungry Whale

Here's the story:

The photo was taken at the entrance to Katlian Bay at the end of the road in Sitka. The whale is coming up to scoop up a mouthful of herring (the small fish seen at the surface around the kayak). The kayaker is a local Sitka Dentist.

The Sitka Dentist said:

Yep, that is me in the picture. Yep that is a whale that was just around the corner from the ferry terminal.”

"Paddle really fast," is the only thing I could think of at the time.”

Also thinking, "I don't look like a herring, don't smell like a herring, but with the same herring instinct of 'get the hell out of the way of that big mouth!!'

Still living to tell yet another story.

386 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:47:51pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I like the big khaffiyeh being lifted by balloons.

Cute, a colourful balloon protest, really distracts from the tens of thousands of missiles, mortars and rockets they usually send up.

387 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:48:24pm

re: #378 negativ

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The giant doobie of Nakba.

388 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:48:36pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

I think this might be another guy. Wasn't that interesting when Charles said Sigma X had been here 3 times before? I don't know where these people find the time.

389 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:49:02pm

re: #378 negativ

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I always remember an exchange a friend of mine wrote about. She'd been to a feminist conference in Israel, where the organizers had been very enthused about some Palestinian speakers, and done a certain amount of shame-shame at the Jewish women in the audience.

In a cab, on the way back to their hotel, another attendee turned to my friend and said "I get sick of hearing about the houses Palestinians lost. They talk about it, and everyone claps. We will never get my grandfather's house in Morocco back, and no one cares."

390 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:49:30pm

Gotta' go pick up The Kid.

391 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:50:42pm

re: #376 Nick Morgan

Why do you respond, in such a hostile tone.
You can "scroll" past something, if you don't want to respond.

392 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:51:11pm

re: #388 prairiefire

I think this might be another guy. Wasn't that interesting when Charles said Sigma X had been here 3 times before? I don't know where these people find the time.

Amazing the effort they put into these online personae.

Bagua is the same fool in real life. There's no pretense.

393 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:51:36pm

re: #391 Floral Giraffe

Hi FG, don't smack me. I bring kettle corn.

394 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:52:39pm

re: #392 Bagua

Amazing the effort they put into these online personae.

Bagua is the same fool in real life. There's no pretense.

I am taller and thinner on LGF.

395 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:52:59pm

re: #393 prairiefire

Hi FG, don't smack me. I bring kettle corn.

But, you might like a gentle smacking...

396 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:54:01pm

re: #389 SanFranciscoZionist

I always remember an exchange a friend of mine wrote about. She'd been to a feminist conference in Israel, where the organizers had been very enthused about some Palestinian speakers, and done a certain amount of shame-shame at the Jewish women in the audience.

In a cab, on the way back to their hotel, another attendee turned to my friend and said "I get sick of hearing about the houses Palestinians lost. They talk about it, and everyone claps. We will never get my grandfather's house in Morocco back, and no one cares."

Great point. You're right combat that sort of thinking. That's how the Palestinians pump propaganda into the West's bloodstream. It can be countered, though, and you do it well.

397 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:54:13pm

re: #389 SanFranciscoZionist

I always remember an exchange a friend of mine wrote about. She'd been to a feminist conference in Israel, where the organizers had been very enthused about some Palestinian speakers, and done a certain amount of shame-shame at the Jewish women in the audience.

In a cab, on the way back to their hotel, another attendee turned to my friend and said "I get sick of hearing about the houses Palestinians lost. They talk about it, and everyone claps. We will never get my grandfather's house in Morocco back, and no one cares."

lol Good point! Morocco, Russia, Poland, et al.

But of course, that isn't really the point is it. Any thorn to stick in the side of the Jews will do.

398 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:54:29pm

re: #393 prairiefire

Hi FG, don't smack me. I bring kettle corn.

The long necked one has this silly notion that Ludwig and I are going to let her be a Top this week.
It's not going to happen.

*smack*

399 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:55:44pm

re: #389 SanFranciscoZionist

I always remember an exchange a friend of mine wrote about. She'd been to a feminist conference in Israel, where the organizers had been very enthused about some Palestinian speakers, and done a certain amount of shame-shame at the Jewish women in the audience.

In a cab, on the way back to their hotel, another attendee turned to my friend and said "I get sick of hearing about the houses Palestinians lost. They talk about it, and everyone claps. We will never get my grandfather's house in Morocco back, and no one cares."

Quoted for truth.

The stolen Jewish property in Arab controlled countries is about 100,000 square kilometers, four times the size of the state of Israel.

400 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:56:23pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

We are concerned you may be a sock puppet. Some of what you have said resembles the tactics of a unwanted and frequently banner poster here primarily known by the nic "YoungLibertarian92", normally shortened to "YL92".

As I have said before, emphatically, I am not now nor have I ever been Younglibertarian92! I can live with down-dings but why is someone concerned with memories of the JFK assassination or three mile Island or the Lincoln's assassination at Ford's Theater.

What is going on?

401 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:58:20pm

re: #397 marjoriemoon

lol Good point! Morocco, Russia, Poland, et al.

But of course, that isn't really the point is it. Any thorn to stick in the side of the Jews will do.

Beating this "Nakba" horse only proves that they have no intention of making peace with Israel. They do not want a "Palestinian state" unless Israel is destroyed. In fact they would prefer to see Israel destroyed even if they never get a "Palestinian state"

402 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:58:23pm

re: #399 Bagua

I think its actually an issue in Israel because we expect better of them than we do of say the gov't of Egypt (to choose one at random).

403 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:59:10pm

re: #395 Floral Giraffe

But, you might like a gentle smacking...

Heh, not my kettle of fish. I have never taken to that and only had 1 boyfriend who did. Granted, I was not raised in England...

404 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:59:36pm

re: #402 windsagio

I think its actually an issue in Israel because we expect better of them than we do of say the gov't of Egypt (to choose one at random).

The Arab nations could have made a dozen "Palestinian states" if they cared about their own people more than they care about destroying the Jews.

405 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:59:57pm

re: #401 Alouette

c'mon now. Regardless of anything else, I'd make a big deal of it too, without consideration of anything that's happened in the past. If it had happened directly to me, I'd be pisst.

And people know this, I'm not denying that political forces are more than willing to use these kinds of cases for their own gain.

406 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:00:39pm

re: #391 Floral Giraffe

Why do you respond, in such a hostile tone.
You can "scroll" past something, if you don't want to respond.

Because I was asked a question directly. I have tried to answer every question asked. I see now that I cannot answer every question. Again, what is going on?
I realize I made a mistake: I just don't know what it was.

407 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:00:53pm

re: #404 Alouette

At risk of invoking the TQ word, we usually don't expect modern governments to work on the precept of "Well they did it to us!"

408 Red Pencil  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:01:11pm

re: #343 Floral Giraffe

It was funnier than anything, in real time.

OK, I have to ask, what thread was this? It sounds like it might be fun in historical time.

409 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:01:28pm

re: #405 windsagio

c'mon now. Regardless of anything else, I'd make a big deal of it too, without consideration of anything that's happened in the past. If it had happened directly to me, I'd be pisst.

And people know this, I'm not denying that political forces are more than willing to use these kinds of cases for their own gain.

How many of the alleged "5 million refugees" has this actually "directly happened to"?

War sucks, and it sucks more when you lose.

410 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:01:44pm

re: #402 windsagio

I think its actually an issue in Israel because we expect better of them than we do of say the gov't of Egypt (to choose one at random).

Double standard? How convenient. So the rights' of Jewish refugees are dismissed because we shouldn't hold the Arabs to civilised standards, but the mostly fictional claims of the Arabs are an excuse for endless warfare and terrorism?

Nope. It is part of the equation and the Jews got the short end of the stick.

411 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:02:28pm

re: #400 Nick Morgan

As I have said before, emphatically, I am not now nor have I ever been Younglibertarian92! I can live with down-dings but why is someone concerned with memories of the JFK assassination or three mile Island or the Lincoln's assassination at Ford's Theater.

What is going on?

It's a tough crowd for newbies because of the trolls.

412 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:02:57pm

re: #407 windsagio

At risk of invoking the TQ word, we usually don't expect modern governments to work on the precept of "Well they did it to us!"

What are you talking about?

413 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:03:10pm

re: #406 Nick Morgan

It might be a good idea to apologize for the rude way you replied.

You've only been here a few days and you're not making a very good first impression

414 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:03:15pm

Now what the hell happened?

415 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:03:27pm

re: #408 Red Pencil

OK, I have to ask, what thread was this? It sounds like it might be fun in historical time.

Thursday evening thread. It is a hoot.

416 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:05:03pm

re: #379 prairiefire

Just curious. I am a parent as well.

I sincerely apologize for my hostile answer. I'm suspected of being someone I am not and I am stunned. Again, I apologize for my intemperate answer.

417 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:05:12pm

re: #409 Alouette

Are you saying it hasn't happened to anyone? That would be an interesting claim.

re: #412 Alouette

I'm saying that it would be a logical fallacy to bring up past seizures of Jewish property in the case of Palestinians who have their own property seized.

418 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:05:19pm

re: #398 Reginald Perrin

LOL!
Yes, master!

419 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:05:53pm

re: #408 Red Pencil

Thursday night, just before the overnight thread.

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:06:13pm

re: #402 windsagio

I think its actually an issue in Israel because we expect better of them than we do of say the gov't of Egypt (to choose one at random).

Sounds nice, up to the point where a country that took in 900,000 refugees kicked out of Arab countries is the only one taking any blame.

421 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:06:32pm

I think "intemperate" is a great descriptive word.

422 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:06:32pm

re: #418 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Yes, master!

good girl


*smooch*

423 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:06:40pm

re: #418 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Yes, master!

Babe, if they're bringing the stick, can I offer a carrot?

424 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:06:40pm

re: #410 Bagua

We apply doublestandards to governments all the time :p


Specifically, we hold governments to standards, even if third parties don't meet those standards.

As an reductio ad absurdum example, does the action of the Khmer Rouge give the US the right to round up and slaughter our communists? (or intellecutals?)

425 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:07:45pm

re: #423 b_sharp

Babe, if they're bringing the stick, can I offer a carrot?

Ai, ai. I'm a lover not a fighter. Nothing like a good snog.

426 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:07:51pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

Its a seperate issue form what I'm getting at :P

If there are shown cases of that kind of thing happening in Syria or Morocco (I mean with Palestinians), those governments would deserve blame >

427 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:08:02pm

re: #416 Nick Morgan

You don't have a long history here.
The short version of the hostility, is that uncivil people here, get banned.
Many of the former posters can't get over not being a part of this group,
and stalk this blog.
It's really stupid, but yes, there are people who do this.
Full time.

Additions, folks?

428 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:08:35pm

re: #416 Nick Morgan

I sincerely apologize for my hostile answer. I'm suspected of being someone I am not and I am stunned. Again, I apologize for my intemperate answer.

Apology accepted. I'll want Charles to take a look at you when he gets a chance, but unless he finds something untoward we're good.

429 Olsonist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:08:37pm

re: #416 Nick Morgan

Chill. There seems to be a certain hazing ritual that happens for newbies. Happened for me. I remember it happening for JFCat. I guess it's happening to you. Say what you gotta say. Be nice.

FWIW, I re-read your posts in this thread and didn't find anything you said out of line.

430 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:08:44pm

re: #417 windsagio

Are you saying it hasn't happened to anyone? That would be an interesting claim.

re: #412 Alouette

I'm saying that it would be a logical fallacy to bring up past seizures of Jewish property in the case of Palestinians who have their own property seized.

eh?

So . . . past seizure of Palestinian property is OK to talk about but past seizure of Jewish property is not?

431 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:09:11pm

re: #417 windsagio

Are you saying it hasn't happened to anyone? That would be an interesting claim.

I'm not saying that it hasn't happened to anyone.

I'm saying that it would be a logical fallacy to bring up past seizures of Jewish property in the case of Palestinians who have their own property seized.

I did not bring that up, someone else did.

432 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:09:17pm

re: #427 Floral Giraffe

Any additions I would make would only confuse the issue.

Well theres one: "If someone seems actively questioning and unusually ignorant about our social rules here, experience has taught us to look at them with askance."

433 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:09:25pm

re: #417 windsagio


I'm saying that it would be a logical fallacy to bring up past seizures of Jewish property in the case of Palestinians who have their own property seized.

You're really throwing the 'logical fallacy' around a lot lately. You are unclear on the concept and obviously uninformed of the history of the Middle East.

The Jews were driven from the Arab nations concurrent with the Arabs leaving Israel. There is a direct connection to the events, and the Arabs got the best deal by far.

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:09:33pm

re: #407 windsagio

At risk of invoking the TQ word, we usually don't expect modern governments to work on the precept of "Well they did it to us!"

Jordan is currently taking citizenship away from Palestinian Jordanians to keep them under control, without a peep from the UN or the usual suspects. And Israel is getting trashed for wartime upheaval from sixty years ago. And accused, in many cases of stealing land that was bought and paid for in cold hard cash.

435 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:10:08pm

re: #430 reine.de.tout

The reverse (or inverse?). The past seizure of Jewish property doesn't make talk of the seizure of Palestinian property Verboten.

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:10:11pm

re: #416 Nick Morgan

I sincerely apologize for my hostile answer. I'm suspected of being someone I am not and I am stunned. Again, I apologize for my intemperate answer.

Stick around, and we'll get used to you.

437 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:10:21pm

re: #427 Floral Giraffe

You don't have a long history here.
The short version of the hostility, is that uncivil people here, get banned.
Many of the former posters can't get over not being a part of this group,
and stalk this blog.
It's really stupid, but yes, there are people who do this.
Full time.

Additions, folks?

No, that about covers it. Well said, Floral. I knew that convincing Reggie not gag you was the right call. ;)

438 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:10:51pm

re: #429 Olsonist

Hey, glad to "see" you here.
What's your take on Prop. 16?
The "voter approval for local gov't to take over electric utilities'?
Seems to be funded by PG&E (Pacific Gas & Electric)

439 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:05pm

re: #417 windsagio

Another thing to consider in the discussion is what would have happened to the Jews in the newly established country of Israel in they had lost the 1948 war.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:20pm

re: #417 windsagio

Are you saying it hasn't happened to anyone? That would be an interesting claim.

re: #412 Alouette

I'm saying that it would be a logical fallacy to bring up past seizures of Jewish property in the case of Palestinians who have their own property seized.

Can you explain to me why one sixty-year-old claim is better than another?

441 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:22pm

re: #431 Alouette

Gets confusing sometimes, but that' sthe thing I'm arguing against :D

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll repeat, if property was taken improperly, none of those other events remove the right of the victims to complain, or the wrong of any government that took improper action.

442 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:32pm

re: #435 windsagio

The reverse (or inverse?). The past seizure of Jewish property doesn't make talk of the seizure of Palestinian property Verboten.

People take a gamble in wartime and choose the losing side, and that usually means they lose stuff.

443 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:37pm

happy saturday, peoples

444 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:57pm

re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you explain to me why one sixty-year-old claim is better than another?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. as well.

445 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:59pm

re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist

Its not, but one doesnt' negate the other either :p

446 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:13:37pm

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

Apology accepted. I'll want Charles to take a look at you when he gets a chance, but unless he finds something untoward we're good.

Thank you very much, Dark Falcon.

447 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:14:26pm

Instanut finds two great tastes that taste great together: Global Warming Death Panels!


THEY’RE NOT “DEATH PANELS.” THEY’RE “PATRIOTIC DUTY PANELS.”

One fashionable notion among some of the intelligentsia is that old people have “a duty to die,” rather than become a burden to others.
This is more than just an idea discussed around a seminar table. Already Britain’s government-run medical system is restricting what medications or treatments it will authorize for the elderly. It seems almost certain that similar attempts to contain runaway costs will lead to similar policies when US medical care is taken over by the government.

Make no mistake: Letting old people die is a lot cheaper than spending the kind of money required to keep them alive and well. If a government-run medical system is going to save any serious amount of money, it is almost certain to do so by sacrificing the elderly.

There was a time when some desperately poor societies had to abandon old people to their fate, because there was just not enough margin for everyone to survive. Sometimes the elderly would simply go off to face their fate alone.

But is that where we are today?

Another reason for a carbon tax — if global warming strikes, we won’t be able to put them out to sea on an ice floe! It all makes sense now . . . .

UPDATE: Numerous readers send variations on “ObamaCare is people!”

Posted at 9:57 pm by Glenn Reynolds

448 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:14:28pm

re: #433 Bagua

You're really throwing the 'logical fallacy' around a lot lately. You are unclear on the concept and obviously uninformed of the history of the Middle East.

The Jews were driven from the Arab nations concurrent with the Arabs leaving Israel. There is a direct connection to the events, and the Arabs got the best deal by far.

Israel resettled the Jews who were displaced by the events of 48 and the years following.

The Arab world left the Palestinians to twist in the wind.

Israel takes the blame. Pisses me off.

449 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:14:45pm

re: #429 Olsonist

Thank you, very much. I didn't come here to make waves.

450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:14:57pm

Pamela Geller was on Huckabee tonight.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:15:11pm

re: #435 windsagio

The reverse (or inverse?). The past seizure of Jewish property doesn't make talk of the seizure of Palestinian property Verboten.

No, but we need to talk about the whole context of what happened. And that hardly ever happens. Hence, my little anecdote.

452 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:15:11pm

re: #424 windsagio

Nonsense. And the only thing that appears 'Verboten' is acknowledgment of the suffering and loss experienced by the Jews.

Interesting that you would insert a German word into this particular discussion. You should familiarise yourself with the word "Judenrein" as that is what happened in a vast area of nations many times larger than tiny Israel.

Alternatively, Arabs are free to live in Israel and granted citizenship and rights they are deprived of in their own nations.

453 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:15:41pm

re: #435 windsagio

The reverse (or inverse?). The past seizure of Jewish property doesn't make talk of the seizure of Palestinian property Verboten.

Even saying that, the Palestinian women's rendering things down the the houses they lost is deeply misleading. It was the Arabs that started the war by rejecting the UN's offered partition plan and it was the Arab regimes who called for them to leave their homes. Even when Arabs were expelled by the Jews, it was almost always after they had attacked the Jews and demonstrated that they had no interest in coexistence. The guilt in this matter lies overwhelmingly on the Arab side of the ledger.

454 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:16:26pm

re: #452 Bagua

-1 for 'its interesting you're using a german word here'. If you have something to say, say it.

455 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:16:30pm

re: #424 windsagio

We apply doublestandards to governments all the time :p

Specifically, we hold governments to standards, even if third parties don't meet those standards.

As an reductio ad absurdum example, does the action of the Khmer Rouge give the US the right to round up and slaughter our communists? (or intellecutals?)

Indeed, your position is very much reduced to the ridiculous.

456 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:16:46pm

re: #441 windsagio

Gets confusing sometimes, but that' sthe thing I'm arguing against :D

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll repeat, if property was taken improperly, none of those other events remove the right of the victims to complain, or the wrong of any government that took improper action.

That's true, but I'm seeing this in the context of a global history-blind industry in bashing Israel. It doesn't exist in a vacuum.

457 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:17:18pm

re: #450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was it about the planned mosque for NYC next to 911 site?

458 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:17:35pm

re: #446 Nick Morgan

Thank you very much, Dark Falcon.

Sometimes similarities outweigh differences, especially when there is a high sensitivity to a negative history.

459 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:17:42pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure I agree.

Its just offputting how things get put here. Other people being evil doesn't negate the wrongs I (or you) did.

460 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:17:51pm

re: #450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Pamela Geller was on Huckabee tonight.

Jews for Christian Theocracy!

461 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:18:24pm

re: #439 sandbox

Another thing to consider in the discussion is what would have happened to the Jews in the newly established country of Israel in they had lost the 1948 war.

Well no, you see, windsagio doesn't hold the Arab nations up to any of those pesky standards we expect of Israel.

462 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:18:33pm

re: #456 SanFranciscoZionist

Fair enough, and to really go out on a limb, it goes both ways.

Being really close to an issue doesn't neccessarily make you see it more clearly.

463 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:18:37pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

Stick around, and we'll get used to you.

Thanks. I've been reading this blog long enough to know who many of you are you are and I apologize (again) for any missteps I might have made.

464 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:19:22pm

re: #448 SanFranciscoZionist

Israel resettled the Jews who were displaced by the events of 48 and the years following.

The Arab world left the Palestinians to twist in the wind.

Israel takes the blame. Pisses me off.

Ah, but we must hold them up to civilised standards, only Israel gets that treatment.

465 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:19:34pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

No, but we need to talk about the whole context of what happened. And that hardly ever happens. Hence, my little anecdote.

The point I was trying to make further upthread, is that the entire "Nakba" festivity is premised on the idea that Israel has no right to exist at all, not even within the 1949 armistice lines.

Just when the Palestinians are led to believe that Obama will coerce the Israelis to withdraw from all the 1967 territories, including Jerusalem, they have moved the goalposts to demand the "Right of Return" into the rest of Israel. They want their "own state" and at the same time they want unlimited swarming into a neighboring state.

But Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and Syria will not allow unlimited swarming of Palestinians into their states.

466 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:20:02pm

re: #429 Olsonist

Chill. There seems to be a certain hazing ritual that happens for newbies. Happened for me. I remember it happening for JFCat. I guess it's happening to you. Say what you gotta say. Be nice.

FWIW, I re-read your posts in this thread and didn't find anything you said out of line.

Oh yeah. When I started posting here I was told "fuck you" and "fuck off". I hate to say it, but LGF is kind of a an unfriendly place to newbies sometimes. That there are really good reasons for established posters to be suspicious doesn't change this.

I can understand by Nick would get angry. Even if he is using his real name, blog posting is semi-anonymous. I'd be upset too if people asking me personal questions about my family, especially in light of some other hostility.

Best thing for you to do, Nick, is stick to your guns. Hang in there, defend your arguments, present your evidence. Once people realize you're not the internet chat room equivalent of a suicide bomber things will change. It's worth sticking around, too. There's some smart people that post here, and they don't put up with a lot of shit from either other, either.

467 Olsonist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:20:29pm

re: #438 Floral Giraffe

In general I'm biased strongly to vote against just about any proposition. It's incredibly easy to get a proposition onto the ballot and occasionally you'll get two or three very similar propositions by opposing groups just to confuse the voters.

16 is just a PGE grab. I remember listening to the radio and hearing a remarkably professional radio ad for it and thinking, sorry, that can't be right. A Harry and Louise kind of ad. Full of concern.

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:20:29pm

re: #457 sandbox

Was it about the planned mosque for NYC next to 911 site?

Yup.

469 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:21:19pm

Some people want diamond rings
some just want everything
but everything means nothing
if I ain't got you

Youtube Video
470 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:21:28pm

re: #459 windsagio

Sure I agree.

Its just offputting how things get put here. Other people being evil doesn't negate the wrongs I (or you) did.

The problem is that, as a Zionist activist, I see Israel continuously accused of false wrongs, often by high-profile people, and the actual history of Israel completely falsified. (Alice Walker, I'm looking at you.)

The Moroccan Israeli lady in the cab didn't mean that she didn't want justice for any Palestinian family denied it, but she was very accurately pointing out that the history of the period has been effectively rewritten to include the wrongs of only one group of people.

471 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:21:36pm

re: #454 windsagio

-1 for 'its interesting you're using a german word here'. If you have something to say, say it.

No, your using the term "verboten" when talking about the expulsion of Jews from the lands they had lived in for centuries, and a further attempt to slaughter those who survived the concurrent extermination in Europe deserves to be pointed out. -1 yourself.

472 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:21:57pm

re: #462 windsagio

Fair enough, and to really go out on a limb, it goes both ways.

Being really close to an issue doesn't neccessarily make you see it more clearly.

Being ignorant of history also makes it difficult to see clearly.

The wrongs done by one do not negate the wrongs done by another.

But if one side is very heavily weighted with wrongs, and the other side is not - well, then - I can certainly make a personal judgment and form an opinion as to which side has the greater good in mind, and which side doesn't.

Charles still has Nekama's Troll Hammer featured under "resources", so I believe I'm perfectly OK in linking it here. Read.

473 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:22:17pm

re: #437 Dark_Falcon

No, that about covers it. Well said, Floral. I knew that convincing Reggie not gag you was the right call. ;)


What good would it have done to gag her?
This is the internet, she's typing.
If we're going to try to silence the long necked one,
we're going have to tie her up.

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:22:56pm

re: #462 windsagio

Fair enough, and to really go out on a limb, it goes both ways.

Being really close to an issue doesn't neccessarily make you see it more clearly.

Perhaps not, but I do know the history, and I see the craziness up close.

Meanwhile, did I tell ya all that Alice Walker managed to piss off Michael Lerner, back in the fall?

475 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:23:21pm

re: #470 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's where we run into some conflict. Given how Zionism is constantly attacked in world politics, those involved (like with any cause) tend to get bristly and defensive. My whole point is to not discount things because they're just against your side.

That being said, you've pretty handily convinced me that you're not doing that :P

476 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:23:28pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

Make no mistake: Letting old people die is a lot cheaper than spending the kind of money required to keep them alive and well.

I think the real question here is the "keeping them alive" one. I don't think anyone would ever question treatment where "alive and well" can be reasonably expected. There comes a point where keeping one alive, though there is no quality of life associated with it, becomes a matter of torture, not assistance. I came to the point where I prayed for my parents' deaths, certainly not because of any financial considerations, but because their suffering needed to end.

477 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:24:28pm

re: #471 Bagua

Its just a word, man, and I guarantee no connection to nazisim occurred to me. Its just a fun word to use.

478 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:24:44pm

re: #410 Bagua

Double standard? How convenient. So the rights' of Jewish refugees are dismissed because we shouldn't hold the Arabs to civilised standards, but the mostly fictional claims of the Arabs are an excuse for endless warfare and terrorism?

Nope. It is part of the equation and the Jews got the short end of the stick.

I don't disagree with most of what you're saying here, but I do think there a double standard is warranted, due to the fact that Israel is a privileged partner of the US.

479 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:24:52pm

re: #473 Reginald Perrin

What good would it have done to gag her?
This is the internet, she's typing.
If we're going to try to silence the long necked one,
we're going have to tie her up.

True, but I haven't been able to find straps strong enough to tie up a giraffe without hurting her. They can kick hard enough to break a lion's back, but its legs are long and fairly thin. So any restraints have to be chosen with the greatest care.

480 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:25:25pm

re: #472 reine.de.tout

I've been linked it many times, don't worry :D

You're reading too much into my position if you're giving me that, tho'

481 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:25:34pm

re: #477 windsagio

Its just a word, man, and I guarantee no connection to nazisim occurred to me. Its just a fun word to use.

It is not fun in that context, unless your intention is trolling.

482 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:25:36pm

re: #478 Nimed

I don't disagree with most of what you're saying here, but I do think there a double standard is warranted, due to the fact that Israel is a privileged partner of the US.

So is Saudi Arabia.

483 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:26:02pm

re: #459 windsagio

Sure I agree.

Its just offputting how things get put here. Other people being evil doesn't negate the wrongs I (or you) did.

It has nothing to do with evil. History is history no matter how others would like to change it.

You don't understand the history. I don't know if you'll take the challenge and actually read about it. You can start here. That'll give you an accurate account of Israel's modern formation.

The Arab "refugee" situation was most entirely self-inflicted. Remember that the Arabs were offered a partition of the land where they would not have to flee and would have had their own country from the start.

Read here:
[Link: www.palestinefacts.org...] and
[Link: www.palestinefacts.org...]

In the wake of the War of Independence in 1948, when Israel was invaded by the armies of five of its Arab neighboring countries, 860,000 Jewish refugees fled from Arab countries to Israel, and, at about the same time, about 70% of the Arab population of Mandatory Palestine fled to Arab states from the portion of Palestine that is now Israel. The Arab exodus was almost entirely because of the actions of Arab leaders and not because of anything the Israeli Jews did. Estimates of the total number who left range from 540,000 to 720,000. Not all of those who fled their homes departed Mandatory Palestine itself. By some estimates, 45% of them simply crossed into the eastern sector of the country occupied by Jordan's Arab Legion. ...

In 1949, Israel offered to admit 100,000 Arab refugees, with the understanding that their repatriation would be linked to meaningful peace negotiations. Although 35,000 Arabs eventually returned under a family reunification plan, further implementation of the offer was suspended in the 1950's, after it became clear that the Arab states steadfastly refused to consider Israel's peace overtures, preferring instead to maintain a state of war with and economic boycott against Israel. In contrast, as a gesture of goodwill, Israel unilaterally released the frozen bank accounts and safe deposits of Arab refugees.

Now I'm off to discredit all of that "Jews stole the Arab homes" bullshit.

484 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:26:11pm

re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist

You mentoined it, but all I know is mentions on here ;)

485 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:26:22pm

re: #467 Olsonist

Thanks, that was my feeling as well.
Respect your opinions!

486 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:26:23pm

re: #449 Nick Morgan

Thank you, very much. I didn't come here to make waves.

If we all agree
There's no reason for debate
What's the fun in that?

Haiku!

487 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:27:21pm

re: #482 Alouette

So is Saudi Arabia.

I don't think there's any comparison here.

488 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:27:38pm

re: #486 Liberal Classic

If we all agree
There's no reason for debate
What's the fun in that?

Haiku!

One of the reasons I'm here. :)

489 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:27:44pm

re: #481 Bagua

There is no special context to me, there. Giving it special context strikes me as odd, really.

Don't be so hypersensitive, we're all friends here.

490 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:29:12pm

re: #478 Nimed

I don't disagree with most of what you're saying here, but I do think there a double standard is warranted, due to the fact that Israel is a privileged partner of the US.

Ok, so let's use a formula of one square kilometer for Israel for every two they lost by direct seizure by the Arabs. Let's even make land not even owned by the Arabs as equal to land actually owned and purchased by the Jews. One would have to expand the size of Israel considerably.

491 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:30:48pm

re: #473 Reginald Perrin

Hee hee. Catch me, if you can!
Zarafa are very fast.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

492 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:31:03pm

I think it's funny when people say that People X stole People Y's land. Whoever and wherever People Y were, I can guarantee you that People Y also stole the land from some other people. Where is this arbitrary point in time when borders became immutable and violators became evil imperialist?

Oh man, if you had conquered us three years ago, it'd be ok. But starting last year, the conquerer grandfather clause ended. sorry.

493 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:31:26pm

re: #483 marjoriemoon

As far as I know, I always through 'if' in.

So I'll put it again, because I really want people to acknowledge this point.

"IF" Israel did wrong, they did wrong, and nothing anyone else did negates that wrong. If they didn't do wrong, the people making stuff up are pretty awful. Beyond that, "IF" Syria or Jordan or Egypt did wrong to Palestinians or Jews, they also deserve criticism.

I am not pretending to know all the ins and outs of that situation, but the specifics don't really matter to my point. Its more of a statement of principle than a Judgment of Israel (or any Arab state for that matter).

494 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:31:37pm

re: #489 windsagio

There is no special context to me, there. Giving it special context strikes me as odd, really.

Don't be so hypersensitive, we're all friends here.

Yes, how odd to give any special context to the word "Verboten" during a discussion of WWII era events involving the Jews who survived the Germans.

495 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:32:01pm

re: #490 Bagua

Ok, so let's use a formula of one square kilometer for Israel for every two they lost by direct seizure by the Arabs. Let's even make land not even owned by the Arabs as equal to land actually owned and purchased by the Jews. One would have to expand the size of Israel considerably.

What is your criterion for land seized by the Arabs from Israel?

496 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:32:25pm

re: #494 Bagua

Heh, I think we're done here >

497 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:32:27pm

Another article on Jews kicked out of Arab countries in 1948.

[Link: www.mideastweb.org...]

Much attention is paid to the Arab Palestinian refugees created as the result of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Almost no attention is given to the Jewish refugees who were forced to immigrate or became homeless as a direct or indirect result of the conflict, their rights and the rights of their descendants. ...

This isn't a case of "two wrong don't make a right." The Arabs were offered their own country in Palestine. The Jews in Arab countries were booted out with the clothes on their backs.

498 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:32:35pm

Hasn't anyone told them...

Swedes are Vikings*...

Vikings aren't dogs. They are kittens...


*Mr. EmmmieG is half Scandinavian. I know from Viking.

(Sorry if this repeats anyone, but I don't want to read 490 posts right now. I just put on a birthday party for little boys.)

499 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:32:47pm

Insanely Bad Elf.

Is what I'm drinking.

500 Olsonist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:32:58pm

Verboten is not Verboten. Period.

501 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:33:07pm

It is one thing to read a blog for several years. It is another thing to post on it. The post becomes magnified and easily (mis) interpreted. I will be more circumspect.

502 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:33:39pm

re: #500 Olsonist

*head asplodes*

503 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:33:46pm

re: #493 windsagio

As far as I know, I always through 'if' in.

So I'll put it again, because I really want people to acknowledge this point.

"IF" Israel did wrong, they did wrong, and nothing anyone else did negates that wrong. If they didn't do wrong, the people making stuff up are pretty awful. Beyond that, "IF" Syria or Jordan or Egypt did wrong to Palestinians or Jews, they also deserve criticism.

I am not pretending to know all the ins and outs of that situation, but the specifics don't really matter to my point. Its more of a statement of principle than a Judgment of Israel (or any Arab state for that matter).

You are pretending, because you're making statements that are patently untrue. I gave you a good website. Print it out, read it at lunch, but learn the history before you opine.

504 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:33:48pm

re: #493 windsagio

...
I am not pretending to know all the ins and outs of that situation,

Sure you are, you are constantly Anti-Israel in any such discussion. Funny that as you know so little of the actual situation.

505 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:33:54pm

re: #498 EmmmieG

Hasn't anyone told them...

Swedes are Vikings*...

Vikings aren't dogs. They are kittens...

*Mr. EmmmieG is half Scandinavian. I know from Viking.

(Sorry if this repeats anyone, but I don't want to read 490 posts right now. I just put on a birthday party for little boys.)

How did the party go?

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:34:11pm

re: #493 windsagio

As far as I know, I always through 'if' in.

So I'll put it again, because I really want people to acknowledge this point.

"IF" Israel did wrong, they did wrong, and nothing anyone else did negates that wrong. If they didn't do wrong, the people making stuff up are pretty awful. Beyond that, "IF" Syria or Jordan or Egypt did wrong to Palestinians or Jews, they also deserve criticism.

I am not pretending to know all the ins and outs of that situation, but the specifics don't really matter to my point. Its more of a statement of principle than a Judgment of Israel (or any Arab state for that matter).

I get what you're saying. But I deal in the real actual facts of what happened, and how it's been used, and twisted and lied about for several generations now.

So yes. Two wrongs do not make a rights. But the specifics do, in this case, matter quite a lot.

507 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:34:37pm

re: #503 marjoriemoon

Please don't ascribe motivations to me without cause.

It's rude.

508 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:35:21pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not really disputing anything with you at this point SFZ >>

As it is, I'm about to have to recycle my 'emotional reasoning' link for some of the others tho'.

509 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:35:38pm

re: #505 Dark_Falcon

How did the party go?

Well...everyone is still breathing, no bones are broken. I did have to break up the "you have a stick and I have a stick and let's see how this goes" game.

My daughter is ticked that once again, the pinata broke before she got to hit it. They only cost $8.00 (unfilled). I swear I'm going to get one just for her.

510 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:35:39pm

re: #504 Bagua

Sure you are, you are constantly Anti-Israel in any such discussion. Funny that as you know so little of the actual situation.

Actually, its typical. Those who dislike Israel and want to distance the US from it refuse to study matters relating to Israel closely. They know what they know and don't want to be disturbed by facts.

511 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:35:42pm

re: #498 EmmmieG

Hasn't anyone told them...

Swedes are Vikings*...

Vikings aren't dogs. They are kittens...

*Mr. EmmmieG is half Scandinavian. I know from Viking.

(Sorry if this repeats anyone, but I don't want to read 490 posts right now. I just put on a birthday party for little boys.)

LOL!
It's a funny video.
How old was the party group?
What'd they break?

512 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:35:51pm

re: #493 windsagio

I am not pretending to know all the ins and outs of that situation, but the specifics don't really matter to my point. Its more of a statement of principle than a Judgment of Israel (or any Arab state for that matter).

I'll make it easy for you.

The Arabs initiated a war (more than one war). They lost. Again and again. And they are still demanding that the winners surrender unconditionally.

513 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:36:14pm

Internet Use Makes Us Happier, Says Mental-Health Study

I'm fucking ecstatic.

514 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:36:25pm

re: #512 Alouette

I understand that, it doesn't have any bearing at all to what I've been saying this evening :P

515 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:36:41pm

re: #509 EmmmieG

Well...everyone is still breathing, no bones are broken. I did have to break up the "you have a stick and I have a stick and let's see how this goes" game.

My daughter is ticked that once again, the pinata broke before she got to hit it. They only cost $8.00 (unfilled). I swear I'm going to get one just for her.

That can annoying to a kid. Getting her one is a great idea.

516 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:36:51pm

re: #513 Racer X

Pff I'm feelin' pretty good.

The third day without any 'net at all was pretty damn tough tho'.

517 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:37:18pm

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

She's 15, but I'll get her one anyway. It's been years, because we always go by age, and she has younger, athletic cousins.

518 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:37:24pm

re: #514 windsagio

I understand that, it doesn't have any bearing at all to what I've been saying this evening :P

Yes it does, because you can not take these events out of historical context.

519 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:37:32pm

Update: Woman charged over stab attack on MP Stephen Timms

Roshonara Choudhary, 21, of East Ham, has been charged with attempted murder and two counts of possession of an offensive weapon.

She is due to appear at Stratford Magistrates' Court on Monday.


RoP?

520 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:37:58pm

re: #512 Alouette

I'll make it easy for you.

The Arabs initiated a war (more than one war). They lost. Again and again. And they are still demanding that the winners surrender unconditionally.

Spot on and succinct. All anyone needs to know about the middle east.

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:38:21pm

re: #508 windsagio

I'm not really disputing anything with you at this point SFZ >>

As it is, I'm about to have to recycle my 'emotional reasoning' link for some of the others tho'.

I really wouldn't. They may be emotional, but they're correct. There's only so long you can be reasonable and rational while half the damn world accuses you of eating kittens and babies.

522 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:38:33pm

re: #518 Alouette

The context can mitigate, but not undo illegal action (again, if such action was taken).

I'm pretty sure that US and International law go along with that :p

523 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:38:36pm

re: #511 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
It's a funny video.
How old was the party group?
What'd they break?

Ages 2-10. My baby turns 5 tomorrow, so we grabbed a bunch of cousins and had a party.

(Yes, he has enough cousins living locally to have a birthday party with just cousins.)

524 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:38:41pm

re: #520 Racer X

Spot on and succinct. All anyone needs to know about the middle east.

"Alouette's Troll Hammer" for those who are too lazy to read "Nekama's Troll Hammer"

525 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:38:48pm

re: #497 marjoriemoon

Another article on Jews kicked out of Arab countries in 1948.

[Link: www.mideastweb.org...]

This isn't a case of "two wrong don't make a right." The Arabs were offered their own country in Palestine. The Jews in Arab countries were booted out with the clothes on their backs.

But why are you lumping all Arab nations? Why not talk just the Palestinians?

526 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:39:11pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn you for being reasonable and advocating peace!

527 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:39:20pm

re: #507 windsagio

Please don't ascribe motivations to me without cause.

It's rude.

No, what is rude is the way you derail any thread that is mildly supportive of Israel into a constant stream of uniformed anti-Israel sniping. It is all about edgy windsagio again. Any sensible discussion successfully derailed.

Tee Hee tho' >>

528 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:39:34pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, I think they're wrong or I wouldn't be arguing :P

529 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:39:47pm

re: #522 windsagio

:p

Your little "I'm retarded" emoticon is getting on my last nerve.

530 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:39:47pm

re: #519 Killgore Trout

Hmmm. He represents the safest Labour constituency, too. Odd.

531 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:40:20pm

Kelly Willis - What I Deserve

Youtube Video

Now time has left me feeling old and losing hope
Hell I've walked a long way just to find the end of my rope
And you say that I should pray well I would but my faith has strayed
I don't belive I'll be saved

532 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:40:22pm

re: #529 Alouette

I suspect its more my arguments :p

How does that mean "I'm retarded" tho'? That one is new to me.

533 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:40:47pm

re: #522 windsagio

The context can mitigate, but not undo illegal action (again, if such action was taken).

I'm pretty sure that US and International law go along with that :p

My strong advice is to read up on the period.

534 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:40:54pm

re: #530 erraticsphinx

Yeah, This is a tough one to guess. Her name is Pakistani or Indian, not sure which.

535 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:41:01pm

re: #512 Alouette

I'll make it easy for you.

The Arabs initiated a war (more than one war). They lost. Again and again. And they are still demanding that the winners surrender unconditionally.

That's the way it always seemed to me.

I'm not very nuanced though

536 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:42:18pm

re: #513 Racer X

Internet Use Makes Us Happier, Says Mental-Health Study

I'm fucking ecstatic.

It sounds like kind of a fluff article, but if anything I think it sells short the communications revolution. Talks about "an enabling and empowering role in people's lives" is almost an understatement. Look at the recent political turmoil in Iran.

537 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:42:20pm

re: #532 windsagio

I suspect its more my arguments :p

How does that mean "I'm retarded" tho'? That one is new to me.

It's not your "logical arguments." Don't flatter yourself.

538 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:42:35pm

re: #529 Alouette

Your little "I'm retarded" emoticon is getting on my last nerve.

We were reading the bible as a family the other day, and we got to a colon followed by a parenthesis, and yes, my daughter read it as "smiley face."

On purpose.

539 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:42:52pm

re: #499 Racer X

Insanely Bad Elf.

Is what I'm drinking.

Deschuttes Black Butte Porter. Top that

540 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:42:59pm

re: #533 SanFranciscoZionist

I do actually read all you guys send me on the subject, actually :P

Whether through stubbornness or righteousness, I just haven't seen anything to change my position >

541 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:43:30pm

re: #525 Nimed

But why are you lumping all Arab nations? Why not talk just the Palestinians?

Because, the events leading to the current situation of the Palestinians were initiated by Arab nations acting in unison in the interests of Pan-Arab nationalism.

'Just the Palestinians' didn't exist until after the War of Independence was over, you could argue that they didn't exist as a discrete group until 67.

And because the Palestinians have been used by the Arab nations who got them into this fix as a political instrument ever since. You can't just look at the Palestinians, they are only one moving part of a very complex political situation.

542 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:43:34pm

Well, finished beating that coffee table into submission.

543 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:43:40pm

re: #537 Alouette

Now now, I didn't say "logical", I said "arguments". :D

544 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:43:42pm

re: #526 windsagio

Damn you for being reasonable and advocating peace!

I'm annoying that way.

545 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:43:46pm

re: #540 windsagio

I do actually read all you guys send me on the subject, actually :P

Whether through stubbornness or righteousness, I just haven't seen anything to change my position >

What's your position?

546 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:44:32pm

CCTV shows how woman attempted to murder MP

Local residents said Choudhary was a student who taught English part-time, offering lessons to children at £5 per hour. A next-door neighbour said: “She was a very normal-looking girl. She and her sisters all wear the hijab when they go out. They seem like a very respectable family.”

547 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:44:41pm

re: #539 cliffster

Deschuttes Black Butte Porter. Top that

Nice.

I was just perusing what was in the beer fridge (don't ask), and the Insanely Bad Elf jumped out at me. Strong shit. Burp.

548 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:45:14pm

re: #534 Killgore Trout

Yeah, This is a tough one to guess. Her name is Pakistani or Indian, not sure which.

Could be either, I think.

549 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:45:57pm

re: #541 SanFranciscoZionist

Because, the events leading to the current situation of the Palestinians were initiated by Arab nations acting in unison in the interests of Pan-Arab nationalism.

'Just the Palestinians' didn't exist until after the War of Independence was over, you could argue that they didn't exist as a discrete group until 67.

And because the Palestinians have been used by the Arab nations who got them into this fix as a political instrument ever since. You can't just look at the Palestinians, they are only one moving part of a very complex political situation.

The PLO was founded in 1964, when the "Occupied Territories" that they now claim for their very own were occupied by... Jordan.

550 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:46:13pm

re: #532 windsagio

I suspect its more my arguments :p

How does that mean "I'm retarded" tho'? That one is new to me.

No, you don't make reasoned arguments, you heckle with a constant stream of uninformed comments. Reasoned arguments would be welcome by contrast. And yes, all the meaningless little ( :p >> :d :D )emoticons are a bit annoying, could you at least give us a key as to their meaning?

551 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:46:32pm

re: #546 Killgore Trout

CCTV shows how woman attempted to murder MP

Muslim, rather than Hindu, then.

It's always the normal-looking girls who try to kill their MP.

552 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:46:32pm

re: #525 Nimed

But why are you lumping all Arab nations? Why not talk just the Palestinians?

There were two sets of refugees during that time. Jews were also refugees, but not of their own choosing. They were kicked out. True refugees. The Arabs fled Israel, mostly to Jordan, but they left of their own accord, or by influence of other Arab nations.

553 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:46:51pm

re: #545 Nimed

My position is that due to learned defensiveness from all the criticism that Israel and Zionism get, along with the monoculture on the issue here, people go overboard on the subject of any potential criticism of Israel.

Per the state, I think it is no different than the US, Canada, England, France, Zaire, or whatever. Not subject to special rights or treatment, nor to special blame or attack.

554 erraticsphinx  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:47:06pm

re: #548 SanFranciscoZionist

Or Bengali.

555 Bear  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:48:02pm

re: #498 EmmmieG

I have two of these. They are now interested in their night time snack.
As an aside, May 17 is Norwegian Independence Day and is one of the events celebrated in this town. However with it not being on a weekend the festivities here took place today.
No, my Norwegian Forest Cats did not partake in any events today.

556 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:50:12pm

re: #495 Nimed

What is your criterion for land seized by the Arabs from Israel?

I would like to see a just settlement that fully included the losses by the Jewish refugees. I would like an honest accounting from the Arab side, not the fantasy put forth by the so called palestinians. I would also like to see Israel given concessions to preserve its security in light of the numerous attempts by the Arabs to while them out.

The end result would be real peace that could last hundreds of years. The Arabs would be the chief beneficiaries as they would see a period of development and prosperity if they made real peace with Israel.

557 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:50:24pm

re: #541 SanFranciscoZionist

Because, the events leading to the current situation of the Palestinians were initiated by Arab nations acting in unison in the interests of Pan-Arab nationalism.

'Just the Palestinians' didn't exist until after the War of Independence was over, you could argue that they didn't exist as a discrete group until 67.

And because the Palestinians have been used by the Arab nations who got them into this fix as a political instrument ever since. You can't just look at the Palestinians, they are only one moving part of a very complex political situation.

Quite concur.

558 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:50:53pm

re: #553 windsagio

My position is that due to learned defensiveness from all the criticism that Israel and Zionism get, along with the monoculture on the issue here, people go overboard on the subject of any potential criticism of Israel.

Per the state, I think it is no different than the US, Canada, England, France, Zaire, or whatever. Not subject to special rights or treatment, nor to special blame or attack.

I don't think so, I think people are 'going overboard' to your perception because they have specific in-depth knowledge of how all of this happened, and what's going on now, and you're trying to apply a very abstract, general-rules set of ideas to it.

559 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:50:55pm

re: #470 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem is that, as a Zionist activist, I see Israel continuously accused of false wrongs, often by high-profile people, and the actual history of Israel completely falsified. (Alice Walker, I'm looking at you.)

The Moroccan Israeli lady in the cab didn't mean that she didn't want justice for any Palestinian family denied it, but she was very accurately pointing out that the history of the period has been effectively rewritten to include the wrongs of only one group of people.

I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection. The reason Israel is held to a higher standard is because, in the current context, Israel is in a power position where the Palestinians have little position to speak of, which marks them as the underdog. Human nature, as inaccurate as it is at times, tends to identify with, or at least cheer for, the underdog in its battle against the perceived oppressor. In many cases, the position of oppressor and oppressed is not determined by actual conditions but by the relative positions in power structure.

It is quite easy to forget about historical context and to limit understanding to current events only, making Israel look like a bully, and the Palestinians freedom fighters. Of course this view is a mistake. Even if the Palestinian populace at large does not want to fight Israel, but only wants a peaceful relationship complete with their own land and homes, they repeatedly fail to elect reasonable governments and have a significant segment more than willing to die to see Israel brought down. Israel has no choice but to defend itself against a group of people determined to, but incapable of, destroying a country they see as the worst of enemies.

Until the Palestinians take steps to control their own destiny by removing groups like Hamas, they have no hope of living in any condition but what they have ultimately chosen. Unfortunately, just like everywhere else, a few unscrupulous and charismatic people can lead the masses around by the nose by offering something impossible to supply. Hamas pretends to care about the people through acts of compassion, while abusing the same people by manipulating them to sacrifice their lives, not for their own cause, but for a cause determined and desired by the leaders' of Hamas.

560 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:51:08pm

re: #542 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well, finished beating that coffee table into submission.

On to what you bolt was for?

561 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:51:52pm

re: #560 Floral Giraffe

PIMF.
YOUR bolt was for.

562 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:53:40pm

re: #558 SanFranciscoZionist

And thats where we part ways.

I think they're doing it not so much because of superior knowledge but rather due to a deep personal and emotional connection to the subject.

But hell, I could be mistaken, and beyond the play of ideas (to mangle a term) nobody's gonna convince anyone else they're wrong.

It can be interesting to bandy these concepts back and forth, tho', if we can keep the venom out of it.

563 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:53:43pm

Had a terrorist bomb scare in the Great White North today. Thankfully it appears to have been a hoax.

A friend of mine who was out shopping actually saw the flight with the fighter jets come in. Said it was a pretty surreal thing to see.

Fighter Jets Escort Plane into Vancouver

Passengers on board a Hong Kong flight to Vancouver looking out over clear blue skies Saturday noticed something was wrong about an hour before landing when two fighter jets appeared and began shadowing their plane.

A bomb threat received by the RCMP two hours before the plane’s scheduled arrival led to a dramatic day at Vancouver’s airport with fighter jets launched to track the Cathay Pacific flight.

After the plane landed safely at the Vancouver International Airport, sniffer dogs went through the plane and luggage and found nothing suspicious.

Passengers on board Cathay Pacific CX 838 were kept in the dark about the whole incident.
-------------------
“The threat is being taken very seriously,” said Cpl. Turley. “I’d like to assure the travelling public that there is no threat to them at this time.” The plane was towed to a secure area of the airport where investigators continued to search for anything suspicious.

The RCMP informed North American Aerospace Defence Command headquarters about the potential threat and the decision was made to scramble the two CF-18s, one Buffalo and one Cormorant out of Comox.

Major Holly Apostoliuk with NORAD in Winnipeg, the Canadian headquarters, said the fighter jets have the ability to respond with lethal force if required.

Emergency crews were put on standby and the RCMP and other officials were waiting at the tarmac and airport when CX838 arrived around 1:40 p.m. PST.

564 mich-again  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:53:43pm

re: #553 windsagio

Per the state, I think it is no different than the US, Canada, England, France, Zaire, or whatever. Not subject to special rights or treatment, nor to special blame or attack.

I disagree. Something to do with the circumstances of how the Nations came to be. Israel is different than the rest.

565 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:54:19pm

re: #553 windsagio

My position is that due to learned defensiveness from all the criticism that Israel and Zionism get, along with the monoculture on the issue here, people go overboard on the subject of any potential criticism of Israel.

Per the state, I think it is no different than the US, Canada, England, France, Zaire, or whatever. Not subject to special rights or treatment, nor to special blame or attack.

The problem is that Israel does receive special blame. The UN attacks it on a regular basis, there are groups in major universities calling for those institutions to divest from Israel, to say nothing of the propaganda that angered SFZ. We do fight hard on Israel's behalf here at LGF, for we are fighting against an immense and evil headwind.

566 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:54:21pm

re: #564 mich-again

What about its origins gives it the right to special treatment? (I presume you don't think it deserves special blame :p)

567 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:54:55pm

re: #553 windsagio

My position is that due to learned defensiveness from all the criticism that Israel and Zionism get, along with the monoculture on the issue here, people go overboard on the subject of any potential criticism of Israel.

Per the state, I think it is no different than the US, Canada, England, France, Zaire, or whatever. Not subject to special rights or treatment, nor to special blame or attack.

Ignorance of history is not "legitimate criticism"

568 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:55:56pm

re: #565 Dark_Falcon

And that special blame is wrong.

The part about fighting into a headwind is quite incorrect tho'. Its utterly safe and supportive to defend Israel on LGF. If someone is going on the streets and protesting those wrongs, they're having to surmount vast barriers. Talking it on here, not so much (altho criticism gets alot of flak :p)

569 mich-again  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:56:07pm

re: #566 windsagio
Do you really need a history lesson?

570 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:56:36pm

re: #567 Alouette

you keep adding words to my posts :p

I never said 'legitimate', either ;)

571 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:57:10pm

re: #547 Racer X

I want a beer fridge.

572 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:57:13pm

re: #559 b_sharp

Very well said. Upding.

573 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:57:32pm

re: #569 mich-again

I probably know what you're going to say, we just come to different conclusions. Feel free if you want tho'.

Afterall, I did ask the question, it would be unfair not to let you answer it :D

574 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:58:29pm

re: #568 windsagio

And that special blame is wrong.

The part about fighting into a headwind is quite incorrect tho'. Its utterly safe and supportive to defend Israel on LGF. If someone is going on the streets and protesting those wrongs, they're having to surmount vast barriers. Talking it on here, not so much (altho criticism gets alot of flak :p)

Well aren't you the brave one, keeping up a constant stream of uninformed comment on an issue people here are highly knowledgeable about. :D>:P~

575 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:58:43pm

re: #564 mich-again

I disagree. Something to do with the circumstances of how the Nations came to be. Israel is different than the rest.

For anyone who wants some perspective on the situation please review the link below. Have tissue handy. The world shit on the Jews and the Nazis damned near wiped them out.

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

Time line.
[Link: www.historyplace.com...]

576 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:58:49pm

re: #570 windsagio

:p

What is this stupid "tongue lolling" emoticon you keep using, to me it looks like you're saying "I'm retarded"

577 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 8:59:37pm

re: #571 prairiefire

I want a beer fridge.

A steady 40 degrees.

578 sandbox  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:00:28pm

re: #566 windsagio

Zionism is the reconstitution of the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland after dispersion and persecution for two millenium.

579 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:00:33pm

The Myth of Stolen Arab Land.

[Link: www.thejidf.org...]

Another excellent article:

In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."

The Peel Commission in 1937 found that the accusation of stolen lands was baseless, as it was also later on.

The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy [Arab] landowners for small tracts of arid land. "In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in "Palestine", mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."28

580 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:00:35pm

re: #492 cliffster

I think it's funny when people say that People X stole People Y's land. Whoever and wherever People Y were, I can guarantee you that People Y also stole the land from some other people. Where is this arbitrary point in time when borders became immutable and violators became evil imperialist?

Oh man, if you had conquered us three years ago, it'd be ok. But starting last year, the conquerer grandfather clause ended. sorry.

Irrelevant.

We, as a society, have decided that forcibly taking land, or anything else, is no longer acceptable. It has become morally objectionable to do it now, and in need of correction when done in the past. This is so ingrained in our collective psyche it is being used by the right as justification for wars like the invasion of Iraq. Unfortunately, most cases are far too complex for simple solutions, which can at times trigger unforeseen consequences.

581 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:00:46pm

re: #576 Alouette

To me it denotes lightheartedness. I couldn't precisely say why I put it after any particular line (altho' as I'm sure you noticed, I reflexively put SOMETHING in), I think its a subconcious effort to keep things relatively light-hearted and friendly, along the lines of 'don't take it too seriously, we're just arguing on a blog'.

582 mich-again  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:00:55pm

What is that :p thing? How is it different than the :D thing? My 12 year old isn't here. Can anyone translate for me.

583 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:01:11pm

re: #578 sandbox

I know what the word means!

I mean c'mon, give me SOME credit :p

584 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:01:51pm

re: #571 prairiefire

I want a beer fridge.

Costco - $130. Small fridge in the back yard or garage to hold your stash.

585 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:02:16pm

re: #579 marjoriemoon

The Myth of Stolen Arab Land.

[Link: www.thejidf.org...]

Another excellent article:

Again, great stuff. Thank you, marjorie.

586 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:02:17pm

re: #581 windsagio

D_L once pointed that out to me, I think I owed you an apology for taking your comments too seriously. Heh. All these symbols to learn.

587 Nick Morgan  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:02:34pm

God night, all.

588 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:02:52pm

re: #560 Floral Giraffe

On to what you bolt was for?

Kids bunk bed ladder, that took a minute.

How are the books?

589 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:03:30pm

re: #582 mich-again

What is that :p thing? How is it different than the :D thing? My 12 year old isn't here. Can anyone translate for me.

It means the sender is sticking his or her tongue out at the receiver of the message.

590 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:03:49pm

re: #581 windsagio

To me it denotes lightheartedness. I couldn't precisely say why I put it after any particular line (altho' as I'm sure you noticed, I reflexively put SOMETHING in), I think its a subconcious effort to keep things relatively light-hearted and friendly, along the lines of 'don't take it too seriously, we're just arguing on a blog'.

To me it means you're saying "I'm totally misinformed but I enjoy pushing buttons and stirring shit up"

591 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:04:19pm

Finally I got a break. Long photo shoot today in the studio. Beer time. Beer and a smoke of California's finest.

592 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:04:36pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

It means the sender is sticking his or her tongue out at the receiver of the message.

Isn't that totally kewl? How el33t

593 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:04:37pm

re: #587 Nick Morgan

Good night, all.

PIYF Nick, but sleep well.

594 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:05:04pm

re: #590 Alouette

To me it means you're saying "I'm totally misinformed but I enjoy pushing buttons and stirring shit up"

Finally we know.

595 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:05:23pm

re: #586 Rightwingconspirator

hahaa, well you know I don't take any position I don't believe in, but I also am more than happy to be proven wrong (or so I say!) The fun is taking these disagreeing positions and working them out. Even if no minds are changed, its stimulating, and generally I learn something!

Just don't accuse me of being an antisemite, that's kinda annoying.

re: #590 Alouette

That would be because you're currently annoyed with me. I always throw those in, and I don't think you've ever objected in my previous ~9500 posts.


PS: Time for a prework shower, I'll stop by for closing statements, etc, in a bit :p

596 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:05:34pm

Diane Birch - Fools

Youtube Video
597 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:06:25pm

re: #591 Rightwingconspirator

Finally I got a break. Long photo shoot today in the studio. Beer time. Beer and a smoke of California's finest.

That's great your work has picked up. Please tell Dragon Lady hello from Missouri.

598 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:06:46pm

re: #585 Dark_Falcon

Again, great stuff. Thank you, marjorie.

De nada!

I resent being called emotional over this (I know you haven't). It's one thing to ask questions, but Windsaigo isn't asking questions, but making assumptions on erroneous information.

And you know, even that's ok if you don't know, but when you're pointed to the information to learn and keep coming back with the same assumptions, it's a reason to get aggravated. I try to deal with history, not agendas.

599 mich-again  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:08:17pm

re: #581 windsagio

I think its a subconcious effort

If it was subconscious you wouldn't be thinking about it.

600 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:08:28pm

re: #580 b_sharp

Irrelevant.

We, as a society, have decided that forcibly taking land, or anything else, is no longer acceptable. It has become morally objectionable to do it now, and in need of correction when done in the past. This is so ingrained in our collective psyche it is being used by the right as justification for wars like the invasion of Iraq. Unfortunately, most cases are far too complex for simple solutions, which can at times trigger unforeseen consequences.

Good grief, some people never stop thinking about how they dislike the right. "Those are some pretty flowers". "The right wants to use that land for corporations, and that'll mean no pretty flowers". "Uh, ok, well I still think those are pretty flowers"

601 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:09:23pm

re: #379 prairiefire

Just curious. I am a parent as well.

I updinged you for responding without hostility. Two thumbs up.

602 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:09:37pm

re: #595 windsagio

I would not do that as I know better. :-)> (Thats me with by goatee)

603 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:09:38pm

re: #588 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

1/2 way into The Great Hunt. I know he escapes, but HOW??
Loving them.
Thank you.

604 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:09:41pm

re: #595 windsagio

hahaa, well you know I don't take any position I don't believe in, but I also am more than happy to be proven wrong (or so I say!) The fun is taking these disagreeing positions and working them out. Even if no minds are changed, its stimulating, and generally I learn something!

Just don't accuse me of being an antisemite, that's kinda annoying.

OK, so you acknowledge, in detail, that you are just having fun by making controversial statements on subjects you know little about to stir people up and cause annoyance. In short, heckling. Yet you get defensive whenever I point this out. Interesting.

And you flavour all this with emoticons that are unique to you and you don't even know the meaning of? Just to be silly? Good grief.

605 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:10:20pm

re: #591 Rightwingconspirator

Finally I got a break. Long photo shoot today in the studio. Beer time. Beer and a smoke of California's finest.

careful - the stalkers will send the cops after you

606 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:10:45pm

The Portuguese perspective. Sephardi Jews were expelled from Portugal (or forced to convert) at the turn of the 16th Century. Spinoza and David Ricardo were descendants from Portuguese Jews.

So, that sucked. The silver lining?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Delicious. Be sure to try if you ever visit Portugal.

607 mich-again  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:10:52pm

Heres an emoticon for a koala bear! Cuters!
&(*0*)&

608 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:11:22pm

re: #600 cliffster

Good grief, some people never stop thinking about how they dislike the right. "Those are some pretty flowers". "The right wants to use that land for corporations, and that'll mean no pretty flowers". "Uh, ok, well I still think those are pretty flowers"


Now that is by no means limited to dislike of the right. I see it here all the time. "I think feeding the hungry is a good thing."

"Oh, so you want to take away all my money and spend it on people more worthy than me, huh?"

609 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:11:56pm

re: #601 eclectic infidel

I updinged you for responding without hostility. Two thumbs up.

I am actually helping him establish his time line. ; )
Did you know he also saw Mr. Doyen on stage? I like the toothless avatar best.

610 Olsonist  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:11:59pm

re: #598 marjoriemoon

De nada!

I resent being called emotional over this (I know you haven't). It's one thing to ask questions, but Windsaigo isn't asking questions, but making assumptions on erroneous information.

And you know, even that's ok if you don't know, but when you're pointed to the information to learn and keep coming back with the same assumptions, it's a reason to get aggravated. I try to deal with history, not agendas.

It's difficult and probably impossible to deal with history rather than agendas. I was in a Roman Republic class once and the prof was laughing at the historicity of what she was teaching. She made sure her students understood how flimsy the evidence was. Historical arguments are almost always weak.

Hell, right now we've got the State of Texas rewriting history books.

611 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:12:11pm

re: #599 mich-again

If it was subconscious you wouldn't be thinking about it.

He's thinking about it because someone pointed it out to him. It could very well be a subconscious habit.

612 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:12:16pm

re: #607 mich-again

Heres an emoticon for a koala bear! Cuters!
&(*0*)&

I saw this emoticon - I can't figure out what it is..

(.) (.)

Any ideas?

613 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:12:19pm

re: #597 prairiefire

Will do. She has been a huge help on this shoot.

614 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:12:19pm

re: #603 Floral Giraffe

1/2 way into The Great Hunt. I know he escapes, but HOW??
Loving them.
Thank you.

Meet the Seanchan yet?

615 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:12:28pm

Jewish Virtual Library is another excellent resource. This one on myths. All with references.

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

616 mich-again  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:12:39pm

And heres a Kitty Cat!

=(^._.^)=

617 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:13:22pm

re: #612 cliffster

*rolls eyes*

Mandy showed me that.

618 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:13:54pm

re: #605 cliffster

I'm legal. Got my card. But good point about the obsessed. Opponents of my reasonable blogging style.

619 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:14:20pm

re: #608 SanFranciscoZionist

Now that is by no means limited to dislike of the right. I see it here all the time. "I think feeding the hungry is a good thing."

"Oh, so you want to take away all my money and spend it on people more worthy than me, huh?"

Yeah, I get that too. A lot of my friends are quite conservative (surprised?) and I get that reaction. I say, we should help these people. They say, the government shouldn't get involved in that. I say - "no, I mean, we should help them. Me and you".

620 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:14:29pm

re: #614 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Just met it. Next chapter. Now Rand is playing the "don't answer any invitations" game. LOL!

621 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:15:35pm

re: #610 Olsonist

It's difficult and probably impossible to deal with history rather than agendas. I was in a Roman Republic class once and the prof was laughing at the historicity of what she was teaching. She made sure her students understood how flimsy the evidence was. Historical arguments are almost always weak.

Hell, right now we've got the State of Texas rewriting history books.

The arguments here are rock solid, O. Your point is well taken but the evidence in favor of Marjorie's (which is also the one taken by Bagua, SFZ, Alouette, and myself) is pretty overwhelming.

622 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:15:45pm

re: #613 Rightwingconspirator

Will do. She has been a huge help on this shoot.

Great! Don't forget to pay her the mileage./

623 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:17:04pm

re: #610 Olsonist

It's difficult and probably impossible to deal with history rather than agendas. I was in a Roman Republic class once and the prof was laughing at the historicity of what she was teaching. She made sure her students understood how flimsy the evidence was. Historical arguments are almost always weak.

Hell, right now we've got the State of Texas rewriting history books.

Yea, and that's just as evil.

In dealing with the formation of modern Israel, certain things did happen and certain things didn't. Lots of these things are a matter of record. And lots of people have been twisting these events to their own agendas, starting from the formation of the PLO until this very day.

624 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:18:24pm

re: #623 marjoriemoon

Yea, and that's just as evil.

In dealing with the formation of modern Israel, certain things did happen and certain things didn't. Lots of these things are a matter of record. And lots of people have been twisting these events to their own agendas, starting from the formation of the PLO until this very day.

Well before the PLO. Probably became more heated with the beginnings of Zionism.

625 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:20:16pm

re: #600 cliffster

Good grief, some people never stop thinking about how they dislike the right. "Those are some pretty flowers". "The right wants to use that land for corporations, and that'll mean no pretty flowers". "Uh, ok, well I still think those are pretty flowers"

My point is that even the right, a group normally not in favour of reparations for past mistakes, tends to view similar actions as immoral. The idea that 'might makes right' is wrong is almost universal in western society.

Please, stop jumping to conclusions and take your time when reading my posts. Your argument by reductio ad absurdum is misplaced.

626 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:21:43pm

re: #620 Floral Giraffe

Just met it. Next chapter. Now Rand is playing the "don't answer any invitations" game. LOL!

Read carefully about what happens in Cairheinen, especially to the King later. Jordan never comes right out and says what happens, but its all there when you read it.

627 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:22:32pm

More information on the beverage cliffster is enjoying

Some folks wound up pretty tight here tonight, talking about Jews and Palestinians and what not. Crack open a Deschuttes. Load a bowl with what RWC is having. Let's talk about boobs, or golf, or shopping. I really don't want to talk about shopping.

628 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:22:47pm

re: #622 prairiefire

We just had a fun night out -dinner at Hard Rock Cafe, took in a band on the Citywalk. Took a few pics, tried the new camera at the concert. Fun night. The Bolts put on a good show.

629 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:22:57pm

re: #604 Bagua

Actually my point is the reverse (I said I was done, but your was the first post I saw when I got back, and its worth addressing :p)

I never argue any position I don't believe. That being said, I'm not such a fool as to think I'm going to change anyones mind, not on a blog, and especially not on such a loaded and difficult subject as Israel.

That being said, it's not helpful or interesting to just self-censor. I think we can all have an interesting time and learn a little bit by debating the subject.

Isn't that what being on a blog is all about?

630 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:23:48pm

re: #627 cliffster

More information on the beverage cliffster is enjoying

Some folks wound up pretty tight here tonight, talking about Jews and Palestinians and what not. Crack open a Deschuttes. Load a bowl with what RWC is having. Let's talk about boobs, or golf, or shopping. I really don't want to talk about shopping.

My granddaughter baked a cheesecake.

631 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:24:49pm

re: #627 cliffster

Too bad WUB isn't on at that, he can carry on on beer, and especially Oregon micros, for days on end.

632 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:25:50pm

re: #627 cliffster

I got nothing. Brain is dead.

633 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:26:46pm

re: #627 cliffster

More information on the beverage cliffster is enjoying

Some folks wound up pretty tight here tonight, talking about Jews and Palestinians and what not. Crack open a Deschuttes. Load a bowl with what RWC is having. Let's talk about boobs, or golf, or shopping. I really don't want to talk about shopping.

I really don't want to talk about golf.

634 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:27:27pm

re: #633 b_sharp

Lets talk about Religion!!!!!!!

635 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:27:46pm

Friday Night Blue Collar Brew Review -
Sam Adams Summer Ale

The beer poured up with an odd color. From the top it looked almost yellow, but as the glass straightened out, the liquid took on a darker tint sort of like honey and was a tad on the cloudy, foggy, silty side, but still relatively clear. The glass contents had a small population of small bubbles. “How small,” I thought to myself. But the head was a nice white color, rather fluffy, standing up about a half-inch. The beer had a very mild aroma of sweet, almost citrusy scents and I could hardly wait to swan dive into the contents.

The first sip was mild and a tad sweet, yet tart, almost reminiscent of a light, wheat beer taste. There was a slight tang, almost fruity but not quite. The maltiness was all light, middle flavors and there was hardly any hop zing at the swallow. This was a light flavor, middle of the road, summertime beer which could fit the description of a lawnmower beer. But at 5.2% ABV, I’d balk at slamming more than a coupla two-three at a sitting. This is more like a porch beer.

The middle malts consistently left my tongue regions coated in a unique flavorful tartness, sort of sweet, sort of sour. Not enough to suck the sides of your cheeks in, but perfect for this style of beer and this time of year. The overall taste was mild, smooth and easily drinkable. Before I knew it, I was into my third glass.

636 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:27:51pm

re: #626 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

OK. Thanks!

637 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:28:05pm

re: #634 windsagio

Actually I'm kidding, gotta go to work in 2-7 minutes

638 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:28:33pm

re: #629 windsagio

Actually my point is the reverse (I said I was done, but your was the first post I saw when I got back, and its worth addressing :p)

I never argue any position I don't believe. That being said, I'm not such a fool as to think I'm going to change anyones mind, not on a blog, and especially not on such a loaded and difficult subject as Israel.

That being said, it's not helpful or interesting to just self-censor. I think we can all have an interesting time and learn a little bit by debating the subject.

Isn't that what being on a blog is all about?

Yes it is, and that is a good comment in my opinion. What I'm raising an eyebrow at are all the silly ( don't take little me seriously tho' :p) comments which you described above as just trying to stir things up by being contrary. If you are having fun by being disagreeable and controversial by pushing buttons, that is called trolling, and is not what this blog is about.

Rather than a flurry of nonsense, how about reasoned and informed comments such as this one I'm responding to?

639 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:28:36pm

re: #634 windsagio

Lets talk about Religion!!!

What, are boobs not good enough for you?

640 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:29:04pm

re: #639 b_sharp

Oh the links I could show you (but won't because they'd be deleted)!

641 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:29:07pm

And my last word on the subject, honest... we can move on here... is LGF's Nekama's Troll Hammer filled with linky goodness.

642 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:29:35pm

re: #633 b_sharp

I really don't want to talk about golf.

ok then, let's talk about boobs

643 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:30:49pm

re: #635 Racer X

Nectar, in other words!

644 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:31:33pm

re: #642 cliffster

Fail. Wrong kind of boobs!

645 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:31:39pm

Where'd the bondage troll run off to.

646 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:31:44pm

Okay I need to upgrade to edit HD video for web content. Buy a 64 bit PC and upgrade my existing software or Mac? My guess is $1500 for my new PC then the OS & Adobe upgrade. $2000 total. Can you go Mac for that with legit software?

647 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:31:54pm

re: #642 cliffster

ok then, let's talk about boobs

LOL.

Too big for my taste. They do look experienced though.

648 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:32:07pm

re: #638 Bagua

If anything came off as me saying 'I'm just being contrary and stirring up trouble', then Either I misspoke really badly, or I'm being deeply misunderstood. That's not the case at all :p

I think everyone else is telling us to stop talking about it tho' >>

649 avanti  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:32:23pm

For the old car buffs, I'm working on a barn find, 37 LaSalle coupe this month. Never restored, just some age patina from 70 plus years.

LaSalle.

650 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:32:25pm

re: #634 windsagio

Lets talk about Religion!!!

Ok.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD AND SKULLS FOR HIS THRONE!

/am I doing it right?

651 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:32:54pm

re: #645 marjoriemoon

Where'd the bondage troll run off to.

He's all tied up right now.

652 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:33:15pm

Oliver Stone, Ridley Scott, Danny Boyle and David Fincher. Why do they suck lately? Any director you want to add to the list?

653 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:33:17pm

re: #645 marjoriemoon

Where'd the bondage troll run off to.

damn, how'd I miss a bondage troll?

(Was gonna link an old troll doll all tied up, but google images, well lets just say they failed me again)

654 Racer X  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:33:29pm

re: #643 Floral Giraffe

Nectar, in other words!

Choices, choices. . .

Image: tones-16.jpg

655 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:33:35pm

re: #648 windsagio

If anything came off as me saying 'I'm just being contrary and stirring up trouble', then Either I misspoke really badly, or I'm being deeply misunderstood. That's not the case at all :p

I think everyone else is telling us to stop talking about it tho' >>

Talking about what Windy?

656 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:33:40pm

re: #652 Nimed

Old age is a bitch.

657 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:34:02pm

re: #615 marjoriemoon

Jewish Virtual Library is another excellent resource. This one on myths. All with references.

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

This is an excellent resource. I refer to it often when I'm talking with a passerby and he/she refuses to take my word at face value.

658 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:34:06pm

re: #655 Walter L. Newton

ISRAEL!

and damn you for being late, I have to leave in 2 minutes tops.


Trip was wonderful btw :D

659 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:34:08pm

re: #644 Floral Giraffe

Fail. Wrong kind of boobs!

Dear, I still have two weeks to wait because of the wife's operation. I might asplode if I consider any other type of boob in depth.

660 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:35:39pm

re: #653 windsagio

damn, how'd I miss a bondage troll?

(Was gonna link an old troll doll all tied up, but google images, well lets just say they failed me again)

I wish we'd have you and WUP for that one. It was quite the event.

661 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:35:45pm

re: #649 avanti

For the old car buffs, I'm working on a barn find, 37 LaSalle coupe this month. Never restored, just some age patina from 70 plus years.

LaSalle.

Why does everyone but me get all the good luck?

662 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:35:47pm

re: #656 windsagio

Old age is a bitch.

Yes, but Clint Eastwood, Stanley Kubrik up until the end, Woody Allen.

663 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:36:26pm

re: #653 windsagio

damn, how'd I miss a bondage troll?

(Was gonna link an old troll doll all tied up, but google images, well lets just say they failed me again)

Were you tied up Thursday night?

664 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:36:39pm

re: #645 marjoriemoon

Where'd the bondage troll run off to.

banned. A certain person gave an anecdote about what abuse really was. Troll said well they were asking for it. Pretty bad, really

665 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:36:57pm

re: #654 Racer X

Choices, choices. . .

Image: tones-16.jpg

I'll take the dark one.

666 swamprat  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:37:14pm

re: #656 windsagio

Old age is a bitch.

Well, the good music is in the bargin bin now.

667 windsagio  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:37:18pm

OK, poof!

Don't let the bastards grind ya down!

668 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:37:45pm

re: #645 marjoriemoon

Where'd the bondage troll run off to.

LOL! You rang? Mistress?

669 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:38:29pm

re: #649 avanti

For the old car buffs, I'm working on a barn find, 37 LaSalle coupe this month. Never restored, just some age patina from 70 plus years.

LaSalle.

Nice! Love the "barn find".

670 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:38:50pm

re: #668 Floral Giraffe

LOL! You rang? Mistress?

Not you, the played out bunny.

671 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:41:03pm

re: #668 Floral Giraffe

LOL! You rang? Mistress?

hehe You'll do just fine!

672 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:41:11pm

re: #670 b_sharp

Not you, the played out bunny.

"Bunny" got the ban hammer.
It was a previously banned poster.
"Possum" was feigning it's outrage.
Never hear of anything but the missionary position.
(Must live in outer space, somewhere.)

673 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:42:05pm

re: #648 windsagio

If anything came off as me saying 'I'm just being contrary and stirring up trouble', then Either I misspoke really badly, or I'm being deeply misunderstood. That's not the case at all :p

I think everyone else is telling us to stop talking about it tho' >>

Well that's reassuring, I like progress. We can take it up another day then.

674 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:42:56pm

re: #672 Floral Giraffe

"Bunny" got the ban hammer.
It was a previously banned poster.
"Possum" was feigning it's outrage.
Never hear of anything but the missionary position.
(Must live in outer space, somewhere.)

I just hope her significant other has chosen celibacy as a life style.

675 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:43:04pm

Bruce Robison - Angry All the Time

Youtube Video

Much better than the recording done by the unnamed big-name artist that got a #1 hit out of it.

676 avanti  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:43:28pm

re: #661 b_sharp

Why does everyone but me get all the good luck?

No,this guy was lucky. He hauled off a junk Tempest that he wanted to sell for $500 and it sold for $226,000. He had no idea what he had.

One of six built.

677 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:44:57pm

re: #645 marjoriemoon

Where'd the bondage troll run off to.

If you're thinking of the same bondage troll I am, well, the bondage troll in no more.
This is a good thing.

678 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:45:09pm

re: #676 avanti

Way cool story. Thank you!
You doing well?

679 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:45:19pm

re: #676 avanti

No,this guy was lucky. He hauled off a junk Tempest that he wanted to sell for $500 and it sold for $226,000. He had no idea what he had.

One of six built.

All I can say is: Holy Shit!

680 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:47:44pm

Ni hao, my zionist honco colleagues!

Tonight's tipple is a new one for yours truly:

1 part El Presidente brandy (cheapo mexican brandy - about 10 bucks a fifth, but quite drinkable, for all that

to

1 part Manischewitz Concord grape

A suitable potable, as it seems to me, for a Jewbilly dwelling in Texas.

Potent stuff, though.

681 avanti  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:47:49pm

re: #678 Floral Giraffe

Way cool story. Thank you!
You doing well?

Yea, just been turning wrenches a bit more. Besides the Lasalle I have a 63 Studebaker Avanti to pickup in the AM. I love working on anything with a carburetor, and no metric bolts.

682 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:48:37pm

I JUS WANTS 2 SAY DAT,MUHAMMAD:PECE BEE UPON HIM,IZ TEH GREATIST GREATIST PERSON ON EARTH AN WILL REMAIN TILL TEH END.HE IZ TEH TRU MESENGR OV CEILIN CAT AN HE WILL BE REMAIN.NO MESENGR AFTR HIM.HE WUZ SO KIND.WAN TING I WANTS 2 SHARE.DAWGS LIEK LARS VIKZ WILL BARK WILL BARK AN ALWAYS BARK CUZ THEY R TEH TRUE DAWGS AN PIGS AN THEIR TASK IZ BARKIN.

683 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:48:50pm

re: #649 avanti

For the old car buffs, I'm working on a barn find, 37 LaSalle coupe this month. Never restored, just some age patina from 70 plus years.

LaSalle.

Cool car. I love the lines and styling.

684 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:48:57pm

re: #645 marjoriemoon

Where'd the bondage troll run off to.


She was being an idiot. I got pissed and made a comment regarding rape and abuse from the point of view of actually have been there.

Troll decided to pulled out the 'you must have asked for it' canard.

Troll got walloped big time because this place and the people here are just so wonderful and awesome.

Troll got banned.

685 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:49:48pm

re: #684 Jadespring

*smooch*
Jadespring
(It was a NASTY Troll)

686 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:49:57pm

re: #684 Jadespring

She was being an idiot. I got pissed and made a comment regarding rape and abuse from the point of view of actually have been there.

Troll decided to pulled out the 'you must have asked for it' canard.

Troll got walloped big time because this place and the people here are just so wonderful and awesome.

Troll got banned.

Troll got off lightly this time; if certain fairly universal beliefs are correct, there's worse to come for it.

687 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:50:18pm

re: #684 Jadespring

Nicely done.

688 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:50:35pm

re: #681 avanti

Yea, just been turning wrenches a bit more. Besides the Lasalle I have a 63 Studebaker Avanti to pickup in the AM. I love working on anything with a carburetor, and no metric bolts.

Do you have picture of the namesake you're working on?

689 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:51:18pm

re: #684 Jadespring

you rock

690 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:51:25pm

re: #682 Varek Raith

I love it. LOLcat gives a loon like that the mocking he deserves.

691 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:51:52pm

re: #646 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I need to upgrade to edit HD video for web content. Buy a 64 bit PC and upgrade my existing software or Mac? My guess is $1500 for my new PC then the OS & Adobe upgrade. $2000 total. Can you go Mac for that with legit software?

That sounds expensive. You can assemble the components for yourself and spend a third or more less for more computer.

692 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:51:57pm

re: #682 Varek Raith

I JUS WANTS 2 SAY DAT,MUHAMMAD:PECE BEE UPON HIM,IZ TEH GREATIST GREATIST PERSON ON EARTH AN WILL REMAIN TILL TEH END.HE IZ TEH TRU MESENGR OV CEILIN CAT AN HE WILL BE REMAIN.NO MESENGR AFTR HIM.HE WUZ SO KIND.WAN TING I WANTS 2 SHARE.DAWGS LIEK LARS VIKZ WILL BARK WILL BARK AN ALWAYS BARK CUZ THEY R TEH TRUE DAWGS AN PIGS AN THEIR TASK IZ BARKIN.

YO YO YO! I'm gonna let you finish, but I just want y'all to know that Moses was the greatest Prophet of all time.

693 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:52:35pm

re: #681 avanti

Yea, just been turning wrenches a bit more. Besides the Lasalle I have a 63 Studebaker Avanti to pickup in the AM. I love working on anything with a carburetor, and no metric bolts.

Oh yeah? Well, yours truly just bought a '98 Metro. Most valuable thing on the car is the radio system, which was clearly installed to provide a noise cover for the loud complaints of the engine when you try to push it over 30 mph.

Lordy, but I love cheap, ugly, functional stuff.

694 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:52:43pm

re: #684 Jadespring

She was being an idiot. I got pissed and made a comment regarding rape and abuse from the point of view of actually have been there.

Troll decided to pulled out the 'you must have asked for it' canard.

Troll got walloped big time because this place and the people here are just so wonderful and awesome.

Troll got banned.

Yea, I know about the banned troll. I was just trying to shift the conversation.

I saw that, what he said to you. I think it's a he actually. Who the hell knows, nor do I really care. It was one of the demented stalkers who can't get enough of LGF and you got hit in that crossfire :( Been there, not fun.

695 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:52:55pm

re: #684 Jadespring

{Jadespring}

696 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:53:00pm

re: #681 avanti

Yea, just been turning wrenches a bit more. Besides the Lasalle I have a 63 Studebaker Avanti to pickup in the AM. I love working on anything with a carburetor, and no metric bolts.

I've never restored a car, but I did a fair bit of wrench turning in my youth prepping a '57 Belair, '63 Biscayne and two '70-1/2 Camaros for street/strip racing/girl chasing.

697 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:54:10pm

re: #686 Guanxi88

Troll got off lightly this time; if certain fairly universal beliefs are correct, there's worse to come for it.

Yeah. Something tells me that the real life incarnation of that troll probably isn't that hot either. Probably sits there and wonders why life treats them so shitty all the time.

At least that's what I choose to believe. :)

698 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:55:01pm

re: #692 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

YO YO YO! I'm gonna let you finish, but I just want y'all to know that Moses was the greatest Prophet of all time.

All prophets are out to profit.

699 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:55:16pm

re: #697 Jadespring

Yeah. Something tells me that the real life incarnation of that troll probably isn't that hot either. Probably sits there and wonders why life treats them so shitty all the time.

At least that's what I choose to believe. :)

A great deal of truth to that, I think. The punishment for being a miserable POS is that you are a miserable POS.

700 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:55:27pm

re: #692 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

YO YO YO! I'm gonna let you finish, but I just want y'all to know that Moses was the greatest Prophet of all time.

President Obama says you're a jackass.

/

701 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:56:05pm

re: #698 b_sharp

All prophets are out to profit.

Not all. I got nothing but respect for Abdul Alhazred.

702 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:56:44pm

re: #701 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Not all. I got nothing but respect for Abdul Alhazred.

Lol.

703 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:57:05pm

re: #691 Bagua

Thats what I was planning to do. Thinking to just go with a 2 monitor system and Adobe CS5 specs for processor, memory and raid drives. I may have guessed high, but the question is-go with PC or make the big switch?

704 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:58:06pm

re: #682 Varek Raith

I JUS WANTS 2 SAY DAT,MUHAMMAD:PECE BEE UPON HIM,IZ TEH GREATIST GREATIST PERSON ON EARTH AN WILL REMAIN TILL TEH END.HE IZ TEH TRU MESENGR OV CEILIN CAT AN HE WILL BE REMAIN.NO MESENGR AFTR HIM.HE WUZ SO KIND.WAN TING I WANTS 2 SHARE.DAWGS LIEK LARS VIKZ WILL BARK WILL BARK AN ALWAYS BARK CUZ THEY R TEH TRUE DAWGS AN PIGS AN THEIR TASK IZ BARKIN.

Why are you making fun of this person? There are a variety of reasons why people do these things. Some of them are potentially religious... There are a variety of reasons why I think people have taken these actions. One I think you have to look at each individual case. I mean, maybe you should try to understand what it is that drove this person to write the email. I don't want to say anything negative about a religion.

705 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:58:37pm

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

Why are you making fun of this person? There are a variety of reasons why people do these things. Some of them are potentially religious... There are a variety of reasons why I think people have taken these actions. One I think you have to look at each individual case. I mean, maybe you should try to understand what it is that drove this person to write the email. I don't want to say anything negative about a religion.

That you, Eric?

706 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:58:40pm

Howdildoo there neighborrinos. What's the hot shit goin' on?

707 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:58:41pm

re: #703 Rightwingconspirator

Thats what I was planning to do. Thinking to just go with a 2 monitor system and Adobe CS5 specs for processor, memory and raid drives. I may have guessed high, but the question is-go with PC or make the big switch?

SWITCH TO A MAC?!?!

BLASPHEMY!

708 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:58:48pm

re: #703 Rightwingconspirator

Thats what I was planning to do. Thinking to just go with a 2 monitor system and Adobe CS5 specs for processor, memory and raid drives. I may have guessed high, but the question is-go with PC or make the big switch?

PC. More bang for the buck. Easier to fix, and the reliability is much better than in the past.

709 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:59:26pm

re: #649 avanti

For the old car buffs, I'm working on a barn find, 37 LaSalle coupe this month. Never restored, just some age patina from 70 plus years.

LaSalle.

That 15 inch front grill is beautiful! Great find.

710 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:59:30pm

re: #708 b_sharp

PC. More bang for the buck. Easier to fix, and the reliability is much better than in the past.

The Hyundai of computers, eh?

711 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 9:59:34pm

re: #707 Varek Raith

SWITCH TO A MAC?!?!

BLASPHEMY!

If I had a million dollars....

712 cliffster  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:00:08pm

re: #706 Irenicum

Howdildoo there neighborrinos. What's the hot shit goin' on?

Sorry - you're just a little too late. cliffster's going to bed.

Night folks - peace and purpose to all

713 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:00:12pm

re: #706 Irenicum

Howdildoo there neighborrinos. What's the hot shit goin' on?

Your soaking in it!

714 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:00:20pm

re: #706 Irenicum

Howdildoo there neighborrinos. What's the hot shit goin' on?

We're just talking and having fun. The threads great, join on in!

715 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:00:56pm

re: #713 marjoriemoon

Your soaking in it!

That you, marge?

716 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:01:18pm

Wow. Nice response. Thanks guys and gals!

717 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:01:30pm

re: #715 Guanxi88

That you, marge?

(madge) but close enough lol

718 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:01:48pm

re: #705 Guanxi88

That you, Eric?

You're too smart for you own good :)

719 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:02:21pm

re: #717 marjoriemoon

(madge) but close enough lol

dates us a bit, the reference. These young whippersnappers these days got no idea about the characters who used to encourage us to buy their goods.

720 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:02:31pm

Listening to Damien Dempsey's Shots right now. Damn good stuff.

721 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:02:58pm

re: #718 Walter L. Newton

You're too smart for you own good :)

My third grade teacher said much the same about me. She was probably right, as my detour through military reform school proved.

722 swamprat  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:03:25pm

re: #698 b_sharp

All prophets are out to profit.

But how many offer a triple money-back guarantee?

723 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:03:30pm

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

:)

724 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:03:57pm

re: #708 b_sharp

What tempts me is the simple fact that Canon went with mov, apple quicktime for the file format.

725 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:03:58pm

re: #719 Guanxi88

dates us a bit, the reference. These young whippersnappers these days got no idea about the characters who used to encourage us to buy their goods.

Certain of those commercials were drilled in our brains. Oscar Mayer, what else, a couple of alka seltzer ones.

726 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:04:53pm

re: #725 marjoriemoon

Gotta get up to make the doughnuts.

727 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:05:04pm

re: #721 Guanxi88

My third grade teacher said much the same about me. She was probably right, as my detour through military reform school proved.

re: #723 Varek Raith

:)

Well, putting all the "clever" into one comment tonight just about plum wore me out, so, I bid you good night...

728 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:05:17pm

Anywho, having completed a recent tour through the wine collection at the local gas station, allow me to present my recommendations:

MD 20/20 - avoid all flavors except Grape Wine
Thunderbird - great stuff - try to get the white label
NEVER DRINK ANYTHING LESS THAN 13% alcohol - it's almost certain to have gone bad through careless handling and storage.

729 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:05:17pm

re: #703 Rightwingconspirator

Thats what I was planning to do. Thinking to just go with a 2 monitor system and Adobe CS5 specs for processor, memory and raid drives. I may have guessed high, but the question is-go with PC or make the big switch?

I see, yes that would be a bit high, depending on how many drives you add.

I'll give you some specs in a minute.

730 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:05:23pm

What, no tasty trolls to nibble on? So sad.

731 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:05:53pm

re: #542 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well, finished beating that coffee table into submission.

OMG, they're beating furniture now!
/// must I?

732 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:05:56pm

Does anyone know how much oil is gushing out of the pipe in the Gulf?

733 avanti  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:06:04pm

re: #688 Dark_Falcon

Do you have picture of the namesake you're working on?

How about the month I had six in stock.

Avanti's.

734 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:06:46pm

re: #732 Varek Raith

No, Varek. I posted this earlier:[Link: www.npr.org...]

735 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:06:49pm

re: #730 Irenicum

What, no tasty trolls to nibble on? So sad.

I've been drinking manischewitz spiked with cheap mexican brandy - I could easily serve as a troll substitute, if required,.

736 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:07:22pm

How about this one.

When you eat your smarties do you eat the red ones last?
Do you suck them very slowly or crunch them very fast?
Eat that candy coated chocolate but tell me when I ask
When you eat your smarties do you eat the red ones last?

Now how many people have the tune running through their head now? :D

737 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:07:26pm

re: #732 Varek Raith

Does anyone know how much oil is gushing out of the pipe in the Gulf?

There is some controversy on the actual amount, but I expect the estimates by BP are pretty accurate, they're on the spot.

738 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:08:05pm

re: #724 Rightwingconspirator

What tempts me is the simple fact that Canon went with mov, apple quicktime for the file format.

I know, temptation is a bugger.

I've had/built PCs since '92 (Atari before that) and my best friend is a Mac nut. Everything he can do with one of his 15 or so Apple machines I can do with one of my Windoze or Linux systems, at half the price.

739 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:08:33pm

re: #649 avanti

For the old car buffs, I'm working on a barn find, 37 LaSalle coupe this month. Never restored, just some age patina from 70 plus years.

LaSalle.


Leaping lizards, but that is beautiful. It's amazing that there are still 'barn finds' in this day and age. I'd love to hear more about the story of how it was found....

740 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:08:48pm

re: #735 Guanxi88

I remember when my parents brought home some Napoleon Brandy they had bought in Mexico. Bleh.

741 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:09:34pm

re: #740 prairiefire

I remember when my parents brought home some Napoleon Brandy they had bought in Mexico. Bleh.

If you remember mexican brandy, then you weren't drinking it. Sorta like the 60's

742 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:09:35pm

re: #735 Guanxi88

You could never do the "I hate you daddy" we need. Sorry.

743 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:10:34pm

re: #742 Irenicum

You could never do the "I hate you daddy" we need. Sorry.

Well, that's one of those things that one can only do once. i mean, once you douse yourself in the fuel of unrequited love and set yourself ablaze with righteous indignation, what can you do for an encore?

744 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:10:57pm

re: #736 Jadespring

How about this one.

When you eat your smarties do you eat the red ones last?
Do you suck them very slowly or crunch them very fast?
Eat that candy coated chocolate but tell me when I ask
When you eat your smarties do you eat the red ones last?

Now how many people have the tune running through their head now? :D

Nobody but you and I know about Smarties. The southerners only know M&Ms.

745 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:11:04pm

re: #733 avanti

How about the month I had six in stock.

Avanti's.

Lovely. Those cars represent a huge amount of effort and investment. It's a great thing you do, avanti, keeping the past alive like that.

746 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:11:44pm

re: #650 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Ok.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD AND SKULLS FOR HIS THRONE!

/am I doing it right?


It's good enough for me!

747 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:12:05pm

re: #738 b_sharp

That is my impression. Lots more bucks for the same job. Have to say I am totally impressed with the images the new camera gets. But it taxes the old computer. Even the stills-19 meg CR2 raw files. Slow time.

748 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:12:17pm

re: #742 Irenicum

You could never do the "I hate you daddy" we need. Sorry.

Nor would me enjoy crunching him with the Troll Hammer.

749 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:12:31pm

re: #744 b_sharp

Nobody but you and I know about Smarties. The southerners only know M&Ms.

Really? I didn't realize that. I mean how can anyone not know Smarties.

750 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:12:42pm

re: #744 b_sharp

Nobody but you and I know about Smarties. The southerners only know M&Ms.

I know about Smarties from having lived in England, but I never heard that jingle for them.

751 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:12:45pm

re: #741 Guanxi88

If you remember mexican brandy, then you weren't drinking it. Sorta like the 60's

Believe me, I tried. It tasted just like cough syrup.

752 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:12:52pm

re: #743 Guanxi88

Reminds me of that great Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck skit. Funny but weird episode.

753 avanti  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:13:13pm

Funny story about the #3 Historic Plate on that old LaSalle. The owner wanted DC to get a historic plate, but they said they didn't know how to draft the new law, so he wrote it for them based on nearby states.
Then they said they had no idea how to do the graphics, so he had another license plate collector design the plate for the District. He was promised #1 for his work, so he showed up first thing in the morning to pick up his tag, but the MVA sold 1 and 2 to a out of state collector and he got #3.

754 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:13:21pm

re: #749 Jadespring

Really? I didn't realize that. I mean how can anyone not know Smarties.

Not sold in the States. I mean, they probably are, in some specialty stores, but Bsharp's correct, it's M&Ms down here.

755 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:14:15pm

re: #749 Jadespring

Really? I didn't realize that. I mean how can anyone not know Smarties.

Oh My Gosh, I was raised on Smarties. Nothing fits in a jean's pocket like a plastic wrapped roll of smarties. Geez.

756 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:14:52pm

re: #754 SanFranciscoZionist

Not sold in the States. I mean, they probably are, in some specialty stores, but Bsharp's correct, it's M&Ms down here.

We have M&Ms too. I didn't realize they were only a Canadian thing.

757 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:14:58pm

re: #748 Dark_Falcon

Ah, so you're one of the sheriffs in town?

758 avanti  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:15:03pm

re: #739 ryannon

Leaping lizards, but that is beautiful. It's amazing that there are still 'barn finds' in this day and age. I'd love to hear more about the story of how it was found...

Actually, a friend bought it about 25-30 years ago, but never got around to fixing it up and it just sat.

759 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:15:03pm

re: #748 Dark_Falcon

Nor would me enjoy crunching him with the Troll Hammer.

Troll hammer?
How....quaint.

Image: asteroid.jpg

760 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:15:10pm

re: #756 Jadespring

We have M&Ms too. I didn't realize they were only a Canadian thing.

I mean that Smarties are.

761 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:16:03pm

re: #748 Dark_Falcon

Nor would me enjoy crunching him with the Troll Hammer.

If i keep putting down this rotgut and my current pace, the contingency might not be so remote. From what I'm told, I'm a mean drunk.

reminds me of the worst thing I ever said to anyone when I was full of gin:

Aunt of mine (by marriage), a really nasty lady, very unpleasant, is complaining about how everyone always piles on her. So, I decide to shut it down:

"It must be very hard for you, being a single mother and all, raising your daughter by yourself. Tell me, what's worst about it: the fact that your daughter makes you need a man in your life, or the fact that your daughter guarantees you;ll never have one? Which is worse, the lack of a man, or having to live with the cause of it?"

762 What, me worry?  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:16:04pm

re: #743 Guanxi88

Well, that's one of those things that one can only do once. i mean, once you douse yourself in the fuel of unrequited love and set yourself ablaze with righteous indignation, what can you do for an encore?

LOL Now that's comedy! And I think I'll leave then on a high note. Nite lizards.

763 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:16:14pm

re: #732 Varek Raith

Does anyone know how much oil is gushing out of the pipe in the Gulf?

A boatload. How would you think it could be measured. Size of the spill?
Not being snarky, but it's an open vent.

764 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:16:31pm

re: #747 Rightwingconspirator

That is my impression. Lots more bucks for the same job. Have to say I am totally impressed with the images the new camera gets. But it taxes the old computer. Even the stills-19 meg CR2 raw files. Slow time.

Intel i7, >1TB RAID, 8GB. Not much more than pocket change.
Careful with ASUS mobos though, some have boot problems. Gigabyte seems good middle of the road stuff.

Make sure your power supply is big enough, and add case fans.

765 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:16:40pm

re: #757 Irenicum

Ah, so you're one of the sheriffs in town?

HE SAYS THE SHERIFF IS NEAR!

766 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:16:44pm

re: #763 Floral Giraffe

A boatload. How would you think it could be measured. Size of the spill?
Not being snarky, but it's an open vent.

Beats me!

767 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:17:46pm

re: #749 Jadespring

Really? I didn't realize that. I mean how can anyone not know Smarties.

Smarties came from England, and because the name was already taken in the US, they became M&Ms.

768 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:17:56pm

re: #733 avanti

I thought of you, this morning. Watched a yellow Sunbeam Tiger drive down the street, top down. Heard the engine & went out to see what it was!

769 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:18:01pm

re: #756 Jadespring

We have M&Ms too. I didn't realize they were only a Canadian thing.

Smarties are marketed in England too.

770 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:18:04pm

re: #764 b_sharp

Intel i7, >1TB RAID, 8GB. Not much more than pocket change.
Careful with ASUS mobos though, some have boot problems. Gigabyte seems good middle of the road stuff.

Make sure your power supply is big enough, and add case fans.

Yes, do not skimp on the power supply. Get a good quality one.

771 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:18:25pm

re: #758 avanti

Actually, a friend bought it about 25-30 years ago, but never got around to fixing it up and it just sat.

Thank you for the backstory. I would imagine that in some rural areas today, it might difficult just to find a traditional barn, let alone one with a 70-year old car in it.

772 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:18:33pm

re: #736 Jadespring

If you don't like Smarties, are you stupid?

773 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:18:35pm

re: #748 Dark_Falcon

Nor would we enjoy crunching him with the Troll Hammer.

PIMF

774 avanti  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:18:42pm

re: #745 Dark_Falcon

Lovely. Those cars represent a huge amount of effort and investment. It's a great thing you do, avanti, keeping the past alive like that.

Most folks don't understand the joy you can get from fixing up old stuff. I once talked to a guy that worked at the Air and Space museums restoration facility. Most of the old war birds are restored by volunteers that they have to push out the door to get them to quit in the evening.

775 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:18:44pm

re: #765 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

HE SAYS THE SHERIFF IS NEAR!

...."Authentic pioneer gibberish....."

776 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:18:51pm

re: #755 prairiefire

Oh My Gosh, I was raised on Smarties. Nothing fits in a jean's pocket like a plastic wrapped roll of smarties. Geez.

I don't think I've ever seen them in a roll. When I was younger they came in rectangular flat box. It was cool because when you finished them you could blow into the box and it would make buzzing and screeching sounds. Used to drive Mom crazy. Then they went and change the box so it wouldn't make noises anymore. It was devastating.

777 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:19:48pm

I love the Canadian interpretation of American candy!

From New Jersey:[Link: www.smarties.com...]

778 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:20:34pm

re: #767 b_sharp

Smarties came from England, and because the name was already taken in the US, they became M&Ms.

They're not the same though. At least here they're not the same.

779 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:20:49pm

re: #775 Guanxi88

..."Authentic pioneer gibberish..."

Youtube Video
780 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:20:52pm

re: #776 Jadespring

So are your M&Ms candy coated chocolate?

781 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:20:56pm

btw gang, Traci is tweeting me again tonight. Damn I is cool. Just sayin'

782 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:21:15pm

re: #757 Irenicum

Ah, so you're one of the sheriffs in town?

Nope, just a researcher into the science of finding, flushing and flouncing trolls.

783 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:21:52pm

re: #764 b_sharp

Yup, good advice. Thanks very much.

784 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:22:10pm

re: #770 Varek Raith

Yes, do not skimp on the power supply. Get a good quality one.

Poor quality power supplies cause a lot of hard to track down errors.

785 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:22:24pm

re: #780 prairiefire

So are your M&Ms candy coated chocolate?

Yep but they're more pudgy then Smarties and different colors.

786 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:22:48pm

re: #782 Dark_Falcon

And you do it well. Glad to have you you around.

787 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:22:49pm

re: #782 Dark_Falcon

Nope, just a researcher into the science of finding, flushing and flouncing trolls.

And a DAMN fine researcher, too!

788 avanti  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:22:56pm

re: #771 ryannon

Thank you for the backstory. I would imagine that in some rural areas today, it might difficult just to find a traditional barn, let alone one with a 70-year old car in it.

They are still out there, sometimes a few dozen a stashed away that no one finds out about until the estate sale. I've bought more than one from folks that bought a estate and found cars they did not know they'd bought.

789 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:23:14pm

re: #782 Dark_Falcon

Nope, just a researcher into the science of finding, flushing and flouncing trolls.

Ahh, like the flushers when one goes out for game.

Comes the great collapse, yours truly intends to set himself up as the baron of Guadalupe County, and anticipate much good sport along those lines. Tell me, your skill with trolls - how does it translate to jackrabbits?

790 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:23:22pm

re: #786 Irenicum

And you do it well. Glad to have you you around.

One second. One measly second!

791 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:23:36pm

re: #780 prairiefire

So are your M&Ms candy coated chocolate?

Yes, in lentil-shaped pieces like Smarties, almost the same size I think, but in a different set of colors.

792 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:23:48pm

re: #776 Jadespring

I don't think I've ever seen them in a roll. When I was younger they came in rectangular flat box. It was cool because when you finished them you could blow into the box and it would make buzzing and screeching sounds. Used to drive Mom crazy. Then they went and change the box so it wouldn't make noises anymore. It was devastating.

Prairiefire is talking about a candy we call Rockets. Not the same thing.

793 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:23:51pm

re: #780 prairiefire

So are your M&Ms candy coated chocolate?

If you Google, you'll find pictures.

794 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:24:38pm

re: #785 Jadespring

Like these?[Link: www.mymms.com...]

795 swamprat  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:24:39pm

re: #746 ryannon

It's good enough for me!



Father Odin we will follow
And in fighting we will wallow
'Till we end up in Valhalla
And that's good enough for me.

Good old Thor's the god of thunder
Really helped us get our plunder
Though his head's still truly dunder
He's still good enough for me
It was good enough for Dagon
A conservative old pagan
Who still votes for Ronald Reagan
And it's good enough for me.

It was good enough for Isis
Who always came through in a crisis
And she hasn't raised her prices
Well, that's good enough for me

It was good enough for Kali;
Though embracing her is folly,
She'd be quite an armful, golly!
So it's good enough for me.


Hari Krishna he must laugh on
To see me dressed in saffron
With my hair that's only half on
and that's good enough for me


I can hear Valkyries a-comin'
In the air their song is thrumming
They forgot the words, they're humming
Yet they're good enough for me

And for those who follow Cthulhu
We've really got a lulu
Drop a bomb on Honolulu
Cause thats good enough for you

796 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:24:45pm

I'm always amused at what gets me karma.

797 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:24:49pm

re: #778 Jadespring

They're not the same though. At least here they're not the same.

They were bought by different companies, but they both come from a common ancestor.

798 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:25:01pm

re: #792 b_sharp

Prairiefire is talking about a candy we call Rockets. Not the same thing.

weird Canadian candy. But what can one expect from a nation full of people with heads like Pez dispensers?

799 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:25:12pm

re: #783 Rightwingconspirator

G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1600 x 2 $220
Intel X-25 Solid State Drive $225
AMD Penom II X4 955 quad Core $160
ATI HD 4670 $69
Asus M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 $150
DVD writer $25
Coolermaster Storm Scout $80
Powersupply with PFC $60


$989

Add Windows 7 Ultimate
and some WD RE for a large raid disc for storage,
but run the OS and programs off of the SSD!

And I geuss we are up around $1500, but your system will be fast!

AMD is more bang for the buck and this ASUS motherboard is rock solid.

800 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:25:23pm

re: #701 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Not all. I got nothing but respect for Abdul Alhazred.

Pfft! Whatever. He didn't even taste good.

801 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:25:29pm

re: #798 Guanxi88

weird Canadian candy. But what can one expect from a nation full of people with heads like Pez dispensers?

What are talking aboot, friend?

802 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:25:31pm

re: #780 prairiefire

So are your M&Ms candy coated chocolate?

Our Smarties are M&Ms of a different colour.

803 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:25:42pm

re: #792 b_sharp

Prairiefire is talking about a candy we call Rockets. Not the same thing.

Yeah I just did some googling and see that. Now I know what she's talking about. :)

804 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:26:18pm

D'oh.

805 swamprat  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:27:03pm

Little wax bottles and things filled with colored syrup. My favorite was seahorses.

806 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:27:18pm

re: #770 Varek Raith

Yes, do not skimp on the power supply. Get a good quality one.

Good quality but cheap, most people pay about double what they have to. Any brand name, like OCZ with active PFC and enough juice will be fine.

The fancy smancy power supplies are like vitamins and gatoraid, big waste of money.

807 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:27:19pm

re: #799 Bagua

Okay favorite for reference. Takes money to make money.

808 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:27:48pm

South Korea fires warning shots at North Korea boats

The South Korean Navy fired warning shots Saturday night after two North Korean patrol boats crossed into South Korean waters, state media said.

The two North Korean patrol boats separately crossed a maritime border in the Yellow Sea. One retreated after receiving a warning communication from the South Korean Navy, and the other retreated after two rounds of warning shots were fired, Seoul's Joint Chiefs of Staff told the state-run Yonhap news agency.

809 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:28:02pm

re: #801 Varek Raith

What are talking aboot, friend?

I'm not your friend, buddy.

810 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:28:54pm

Well lizardim, this gansta is needing some sleep eye. (seeing a critter in need of some protection right now)

811 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:29:26pm

sung to the Lion King's Hatuna Matata:

Cthulhu Fthagn --
What a wonderful phrase!
Cthulhu Fthagn --
Say it and you're crazed!

It means "Cthulhu,
Rising out of the haze!"
It's a prophecy,
We'll all soon see
Cthulhu Fthagn.

Ahhh, yes! Cthulhu Fthagn. It's our motto, our slogan, our credo!

Oh, I hate that!

What?

Han Solo clearly shot first!

Not "Greedo", "credo"!

When he was a Outer God --
When I was a Outer God!
Easy on the reverb, sport.

He found that his form lacked a certain appeal,
All his glistening pseudopods made blood congeal.

I'm a sensitive soul! At the end of the day,
It hurt that my friends' flesh all melted away.

Oh the shame!
What a disgrace!
Till I decided to blame
The whole human race! The terrible shame!
Falling from grace!
Whose fault is it?
Yeah! What the heck where they doing
hanging around with an acidic mass of
flesh-devouring polyps, anyway?

Hey! Can I help it if I'm an "ick" magnet?

Cthulhu Fthagn!
Now we're in for strange days!
It screws up your noggin --
Turns planets into buffets!

And Great Cthulhu
Spares whoever obeys!
So get off of me,
You monstrosity!
Cthulhu Fthagn!

Cthulhu Fthagn!
Cthulhu Fthagn!
Cthulhu Fthagn!
-- if we keep doing this, he's gonna show up.
... Kewl!

It means "Cthulhu,
Rising out of the haze!"
It's insanity,
For humanity --
Cthulhu Fthagn!

I say Cthulhu!
And I say Fthagn!
If I said Ithaqua,
We'd need a toboggan!

Cthulhu Fthagn!

812 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:29:48pm

re: #802 b_sharp

Our Smarties are M&Ms of a different colour.

They both come from different companies though and if you do a taste comparison they are slightly different in the chocolate taste.

813 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:29:48pm

re: #799 Bagua

G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1600 x 2 $220
Intel X-25 Solid State Drive $225
AMD P[h]enom II X4 955 quad Core $160
ATI HD 4670 $69
Asus M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 $150
DVD writer $25
Coolermaster Storm Scout $80
Powersupply with PFC $60

$989

Add Windows 7 Ultimate
and some WD RE for a large raid disc for storage,
but run the OS and programs off of the SSD!

And I geuss we are up around $1500, but your system will be fast!

AMD is more bang for the buck and this ASUS motherboard is rock solid.

The Intel processors are a fair bit faster than the AMDs. They weren't a while back but they are now.

Thermaltake is a good power supply.

814 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:30:14pm

Freakin' Chinese got the strangest ideas of candy:

Salted Prunes

Smoked (no, really) red dates

and so on......

815 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:30:23pm

re: #801 Varek Raith

What are talking aboot, friend?

I was wondering aboot that too.

816 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:30:32pm

Image: cthulhu-challenge.jpg

817 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:30:35pm

re: #812 Jadespring

True, American chocolate sucks.

818 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:31:31pm

re: #789 Guanxi88

Ahh, like the flushers when one goes out for game.

Comes the great collapse, yours truly intends to set himself up as the baron of Guadalupe County, and anticipate much good sport along those lines. Tell me, your skill with trolls - how does it translate to jackrabbits?

They're much harder, as they are faster and smarter than any troll. But I can do it.

819 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:31:39pm

re: #815 b_sharp

I was wondering aboot that too.

South Park's parker & stone were the first and only anthropologists to document peculiarities in canadian cranial structure.

820 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:32:46pm

re: #812 Jadespring

They both come from different companies though and if you do a taste comparison they are slightly different in the chocolate taste.

See my #797.

821 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:33:19pm

re: #818 Dark_Falcon

They're much harder, as they are faster and smarter than any troll. But I can do it.

Excellent. Tell me, how are you at subsistence agriculture?

822 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:34:38pm

re: #819 Guanxi88

South Park's parker & stone were the first and only anthropologists to document peculiarities in canadian cranial structure.

Hmm.

I do have to tape my pez-hole shut when I go out.

823 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:35:19pm

re: #816 Varek Raith

Don't even bother asking the guys from Metallica.

824 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:35:43pm

re: #807 Rightwingconspirator

Okay favorite for reference. Takes money to make money.

I'm typing on the configuration I just mentioned, and have about 15 other ASUS/AMD systems running at my lab. All very reliable and they outperform machines with similar specs. I gave one Gigabyte MB and that would be my second choice as both are stable, but ASUS is better by a whisker.

825 swamprat  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:37:11pm

re: #817 prairiefire

True, American chocolate sucks.

I almost updinged you, and then I remembered "Lion bars". Worst chocolate ever. The single most unsatisfying candy bar I have ever eaten. But those hazelnut things from Denmark? That's a good candy bar!

826 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:37:17pm

re: #822 b_sharp

Hmm.

I do have to tape my pez-hole shut when I go out.

Don't give my wife any ideas. Today, she and I had a bit of a dust-up because I wore my "Damned Dirty Hippies" t-shirt to the local farmers' market.

i pointed out that only damned dirty hippies would take offense, and f*ck them, anyway, right?

She says I've got a bad attitude.

827 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:37:50pm

Just boosted my Buddhist karma by saving a bug crawling on my desk. Now I really need to go to bed.

828 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:38:39pm

re: #827 Irenicum

Just boosted my Buddhist karma by saving a bug crawling on my desk. Now I really need to go to bed.

That you, Jain?

829 Jadespring  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:39:12pm

re: #820 b_sharp

See my #797.

I just looked. Smarties were around in England since about 1882 by Nestle. The founder of Mars got they idea for M&Ms in the 30's when he saw soldiers eating coated chocolate bits in the Spanish Civil War. Then he made his own version which he called M&Ms in the 40s.

830 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:39:43pm

re: #805 swamprat

Little wax bottles and things filled with colored syrup. My favorite was seahorses.

Big red wax lips that you ended up chewing!

'Buttons' on paper rolls!

Ay, caramba! The nostalgia it is sweet!

831 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:39:43pm

re: #824 Bagua

I'm typing on the configuration I just mentioned, and have about 15 other ASUS/AMD systems running at my lab. All very reliable and they outperform machines with similar specs. I gave one Gigabyte MB and that would be my second choice as both are stable, but ASUS is better by a whisker.

Well, I updinged you anyway!
*smooch*
Whatever he said!

832 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:39:44pm

re: #828 Guanxi88

Not quite, but close.

833 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:40:08pm

re: #824 Bagua

I have trusted Asus for some time. My laptop is Asmobile. Basically its a studio server for my Canon 40D. Lets me run the camera and post process its images really well.

834 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:40:10pm

re: #813 b_sharp

The Intel processors are a fair bit faster than the AMDs. They weren't a while back but they are now.

Thermaltake is a good power supply.

Yes, a bit, but the premium in price is not proportional. Also, the system I spec'd can be easily overclocked to make up any difference.

835 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:41:04pm

re: #817 prairiefire

True, American chocolate sucks.


I buy specialist chocolate such as from See's. Anything from Hershey or Mars now is worse than it was before, and it wasn't that good before!

836 Kragar  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:41:05pm

re: #823 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't even bother asking the guys from Metallica.

WTF guys? A K and no H? COME ON!

837 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:41:25pm

re: #834 Bagua

Is overclocking transparent to the software? I may want to do that for rendering.

838 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:41:32pm

re: #811 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Fer the love of... Open your own damn portals to vistas of madness and horror, I'm trying to take a friggin' nap.

839 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:41:54pm

re: #811 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

sung to the Lion King's Hatuna Matata:

Cthulhu Fthagn --
What a wonderful phrase!
Cthulhu Fthagn --
Say it and you're crazed!

It means "Cthulhu,
Rising out of the haze!"
It's a prophecy,
We'll all soon see
Cthulhu Fthagn.


Do they let you out, much?

Ahhh, yes! Cthulhu Fthagn. It's our motto, our slogan, our credo!

Oh, I hate that!

What?

Han Solo clearly shot first!

Not "Greedo", "credo"!

When he was a Outer God --
When I was a Outer God!
Easy on the reverb, sport.

He found that his form lacked a certain appeal,
All his glistening pseudopods made blood congeal.

I'm a sensitive soul! At the end of the day,
It hurt that my friends' flesh all melted away.

Oh the shame!
What a disgrace!
Till I decided to blame
The whole human race! The terrible shame!
Falling from grace!
Whose fault is it?
Yeah! What the heck where they doing
hanging around with an acidic mass of
flesh-devouring polyps, anyway?

Hey! Can I help it if I'm an "ick" magnet?

Cthulhu Fthagn!
Now we're in for strange days!
It screws up your noggin --
Turns planets into buffets!

And Great Cthulhu
Spares whoever obeys!
So get off of me,
You monstrosity!
Cthulhu Fthagn!

Cthulhu Fthagn!
Cthulhu Fthagn!
Cthulhu Fthagn!
-- if we keep doing this, he's gonna show up.
... Kewl!

It means "Cthulhu,
Rising out of the haze!"
It's insanity,
For humanity --
Cthulhu Fthagn!

I say Cthulhu!
And I say Fthagn!
If I said Ithaqua,
We'd need a toboggan!

Cthulhu Fthagn!

840 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:42:04pm

re: #825 swamprat

I almost updinged you, and then I remembered "Lion bars". Worst chocolate ever. The single most unsatisfying candy bar I have ever eaten. But those hazelnut things from Denmark? That's a good candy bar!

I buy Lion Bars from my cheese specialty/import store. I had them in '82 in England and have loved them ever since.

841 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:42:32pm

re: #834 Bagua

Yes, a bit, but the premium in price is not proportional. Also, the system I spec'd can be easily overclocked to make up any difference.

ahh! sweet memories of my youth. How fondly I recall the drop-in kits that would boost a 486 to near-Pentium speeds. Little chip with a big-ass fan on top, little lever, whole buncha gold pins - good times

842 Daniel Ballard  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:42:41pm

Going upstairs...

843 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:43:00pm

re: #840 prairiefire

I buy Lion Bars from my cheese specialty/import store. I had them in '82 in England and have loved them ever since.

aero bars - loved those.

844 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:43:14pm

re: #841 Guanxi88

ahh! sweet memories of my youth. How fondly I recall the drop-in kits that would boost a 486 to near-Pentium speeds. Little chip with a big-ass fan on top, little lever, whole buncha gold pins - good times

Lol, gramps.
/

845 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:43:21pm

re: #814 Guanxi88

Freakin' Chinese got the strangest ideas of candy:

Salted Prunes

Smoked (no, really) red dates

and so on...

Expressions of yin and yang. The prunes are quite good.

846 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:43:38pm

re: #824 Bagua

I'm typing on the configuration I just mentioned, and have about 15 other ASUS/AMD systems running at my lab. All very reliable and they outperform machines with similar specs. I gave one Gigabyte MB and that would be my second choice as both are stable, but ASUS is better by a whisker.

I prefer ASUS for speed as well, but I have had several give boot problems over the years. I've sold and maintained several hundred systems with ASUS boards and consider them the best, but I've really come to like the Gigabytes. That said, I still use ASUS on upper end systems, but I don't buy their cheap boards.

847 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:44:47pm

re: #845 ryannon

Expressions of yin and yang. The prunes are quite good.

hey, I eats 'em when they're offered, but I don't fool myself by categorizing them alongside, say, a mr Goodbar.

848 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:44:49pm

G'nite y'all.. As far as I know. Hours and topics know no limit.

849 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:46:30pm

re: #826 Guanxi88

Don't give my wife any ideas. Today, she and I had a bit of a dust-up because I wore my "Damned Dirty Hippies" t-shirt to the local farmers' market.

i pointed out that only damned dirty hippies would take offense, and f*ck them, anyway, right?

She says I've got a bad attitude.

I lived through the late '60s and '70s as a pseudo-hippy. I loved the long hair, drugs and open sex, but there was no way I would give up my car and clothes.

850 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:46:41pm

re: #848 Irenicum

G'nite y'all.. As far as I know. Hours and topics know no limit.

"Don't go, the drones need you."
/SMAC

851 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:46:43pm

re: #837 Rightwingconspirator

Is overclocking transparent to the software? I may want to do that for rendering.

I believe so as it basically just sets the processor and memory to run faster. That board I mentioned is designed for overclocking and even has it down to simple bios settings, an included utility and buttons on the board. It can also unlock cores, so you could buy a dual core and get lucky and end up with a working tri or quad core.

852 swamprat  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:47:29pm

re: #840 prairiefire

Look for the Hazelnut filled Danish candybars. Then you will cuss me for an addiction you never had before.
I found out my wife and daughter were having fights over them whenever I would send some home.

853 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:47:49pm

re: #845 ryannon

Expressions of yin and yang. The prunes are quite good.

Loved the Da Zao, of course, and would eat them to the point of anal incontinence, if I weren't stopped. good eatin', but it ain't chocolate,

854 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:48:05pm

re: #839 ryannon

Wanted to post: Still let you out, much?

855 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:48:41pm

re: #826 Guanxi88

Don't give my wife any ideas. Today, she and I had a bit of a dust-up because I wore my "Damned Dirty Hippies" t-shirt to the local farmers' market.

i pointed out that only damned dirty hippies would take offense, and f*ck them, anyway, right?

She says I've got a bad attitude.

If you want to buy their organic goodies, don't call them damn dirty hippies.

856 Irenicum  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:48:43pm

re: #850 Varek Raith

Oh, so I need to stick around for target practice? Lovely!

857 Varek Raith  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:49:37pm

re: #856 Irenicum

Oh, so I need to stick around for target practice? Lovely!

All part of my plan to cause mass insomnia.

MUHAHAHCOUGHHAHAHACKHAHA....

858 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:50:38pm

re: #855 prairiefire

If you want to buy their organic goodies, don't call them damn dirty hippies.

Dunno - the mennonites seem to get a kick out of it. Still, the hippies - curse their slacking hides - have got the best vegetables. The Germans always got the best peaches, but the freakin' guys with the multi-colored dancing bears on their trucks always have the best vegetables. and herbs, I'm told.

859 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:51:26pm

re: #852 swamprat

I do enjoy Lindt with hazelnuts:[Link: www.eurofoodmart.net...]

860 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:52:15pm

re: #858 Guanxi88

Perhaps they do not slack as much as you presume.

861 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:52:46pm

re: #859 prairiefire

I do enjoy Lindt with hazelnuts:[Link: www.eurofoodmart.net...]

Dammit! Here I am, in the middle of nowhere, texas, and all this talk of sweets had me craving halvah. How the F*CK am I supposed to get that?

862 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:54:13pm

re: #860 prairiefire

Perhaps they do not slack as much as you presume.

I give hippies grief, of course, but back-to-the-landers don't count as hippies. i think of them as industrious hobbits. Hippies are the guys with liberal arts degrees, long hair, and piss-poor credit and employment histories.

863 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:54:46pm

re: #834 Bagua

Yes, a bit, but the premium in price is not proportional. Also, the system I spec'd can be easily overclocked to make up any difference.

True. With the price on AMD you can buy a couple and pick the best overclocker.

I just spec'd that board. Very nice. My only concern would be the onboard GPU. I'll pick one up next week and give it a try with some Crucial or Corsair DDR3.

864 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:55:45pm

re: #861 Guanxi88

The intertoobs.

865 swamprat  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:55:57pm

re: #861 Guanxi88

Dammit! Here I am, in the middle of nowhere, texas, and all this talk of sweets had me craving halvah. How the F*CK am I supposed to get that?

When this town had no walmart, and walmart was an hour and a half away, the little notions shoppe in the middle of town would sometimes carry halva.

866 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:56:56pm

re: #837 Rightwingconspirator

Is overclocking transparent to the software? I may want to do that for rendering.

Yes. Just make sure you spend a little on CPU cooling.

867 Guanxi88  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:57:41pm

re: #864 prairiefire

The intertoobs.

I'm an american - I want it NOW, dammit! And so, I raid my kids' supply of goldfish.

It amuses me, somehow, to imagine those little baked fish-shaped crackers floating in the sea of hooch presently in my belly.

868 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:01:26pm

re: #851 Bagua

I believe so as it basically just sets the processor and memory to run faster. That board I mentioned is designed for overclocking and even has it down to simple bios settings, an included utility and buttons on the board. It can also unlock cores, so you could buy a dual core and get lucky and end up with a working tri or quad core.

Just to explain that - when AMD does their quality tests they start at the top and work down. They'll test the cpus until they get their quota and then dump all the rest to the next lower standard. As soon as they have enough quad cores, all the rest get tested for tri core, so there could be a functioning quad core in the bunch. They do that for clock speeds as well.

869 altermite  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:02:37pm

re: #862 Guanxi88

I give hippies grief, of course, but back-to-the-landers don't count as hippies. i think of them as industrious hobbits. Hippies are the guys with liberal arts degrees, long hair, and piss-poor credit and employment histories.

No true hippie, eh?

870 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:03:23pm

re: #846 b_sharp

I prefer ASUS for speed as well, but I have had several give boot problems over the years. I've sold and maintained several hundred systems with ASUS boards and consider them the best, but I've really come to like the Gigabytes. That said, I still use ASUS on upper end systems, but I don't buy their cheap boards.

I've only built about 15 and chosen the cherries from the bunch (always the high-end on offer), so I can't comment on their economy units. I can remember issues with the older boards for the single cores. I always read extensive comments before selecting to weed out the problem items.

re: #863 b_sharp

True. With the price on AMD you can buy a couple and pick the best overclocker.

I just spec'd that board. Very nice. My only concern would be the onboard GPU. I'll pick one up next week and give it a try with some Crucial or Corsair DDR3.

Well, depends on the application I suppose, I don't do any gaming or 3D work. The ATI 4200 is the first decent onboard GPU in my opinion. It is great having onboard video for two monitors or one monitor and HDMI. It pairs with the ATI 4670 (or any 400 series) and I can't tell them apart. This gives me 4 monitors for the price of one $70 video card.

871 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:05:01pm

re: #862 Guanxi88

I give hippies grief, of course, but back-to-the-landers don't count as hippies. i think of them as industrious hobbits. Hippies are the guys with liberal arts degrees, long hair, and piss-poor credit and employment histories.

Hey, that's me (sort of) until I started my own company. I have a B.A. in Psych, and a B.Sc. in C.S.. My hair, when I had some, was half way down my back, and as curly as Robert Plant's, and I only stuck around in a job for about 3 years.

872 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:05:58pm

Is it safe to BARK?

Do pigs really BARK? I thought they GRUNTed.

How is life in LizardLand?

873 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:07:09pm

re: #870 Bagua

Well, depends on the application I suppose, I don't do any gaming or 3D work. The ATI 4200 is the first decent onboard GPU in my opinion. It is great having onboard video for two monitors or one monitor and HDMI. It pairs with the ATI 4670 (or any 400 series) and I can't tell them apart. This gives me 4 monitors for the price of one $70 video card.

Good point. I didn't think of the 4 monitor angle. That would be great with Linux.

874 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:09:41pm

Led Zeppelin bootleg:

Youtube Video
875 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:12:31pm

re: #868 b_sharp

Just to explain that - when AMD does their quality tests they start at the top and work down. They'll test the cpus until they get their quota and then dump all the rest to the next lower standard. As soon as they have enough quad cores, all the rest get tested for tri core, so there could be a functioning quad core in the bunch. They do that for clock speeds as well.

Interesting, and this board has a 'switch' to unlock them. But they don't always manage to unlock additional cores. I didn't want to fool with that so used a quad core, not much of a price difference and no disappointment.

I use three monitors and one big LCD on the wall as a standard. Having only one video card able to do this leaves some slots free and saves the price of one card.

876 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:14:31pm

Battle Of Evermore bootleg:

Youtube Video
877 b_sharp  Sat, May 15, 2010 11:15:02pm

G'night friends.


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