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Two separate sources of climate data have confirmed that this April was the warmest April ever recorded — and the world’s average temperature was the highest on record for the January-April period: 2010: Warmest year on record so far.

Two separate sources of temperature data – the National Climatic Data Center and NASA – report that, through April, 2010 is the warmest year ever recorded.

The climate center (NCDC) reports that the Earth’s combined land and ocean average surface temperature from January-April was 56 degrees, which is 1.24 degrees above the 20th-century average. …

NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies also reports that 2010, so far, is the warmest out of 131 years. Both NCDC and NASA use data that goes back to 1880.

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1 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:30:59pm

*runs around screaming*
Weather is not the same as climate change.

2 Nimed  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:33:28pm

Like I said in a previous thread, the silver lining here is that we'll stop listening to the bullshit about how we are in "a cooling trend" since 1998.

3 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:39:01pm

re: #2 Nimed

Like I said in a previous thread, the silver lining here is that we'll stop listening to the bullshit about how we are in "a cooling trend" since 1998.

Who's "we?" I know people who'll still believe that.

4 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:41:35pm

Well, BP's oil slick might help.
///10

5 Irenicum  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:41:55pm

re: #2 Nimed

Seriously, I wish I could believe you. But we both know that the lie machine will continue to push the bullshit and the willfully gullible will continue to eat it up as gospel truth. Lies don't go away because of better logic (I wish they did), they go away with better arguments. We have to learn how to frame the discussion so that people actually "get" that this shit is important to them.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:42:13pm

Meanwhile, my former associate Roger Simon is attending a "climate conference" sponsored by the right wing think tank the Heartland Institute, the group that was originally formed to cover up the harmful effects of tobacco, featuring the quack climate science denier Christopher Monckton. It's pathetic.

7 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:45:49pm

re: #6 Charles

Meanwhile, my former associate Roger Simon is attending a "climate conference" sponsored by the right wing think tank the Heartland Institute, the group that was originally formed to cover up the harmful effects of tobacco, featuring the quack climate science denier Christopher Monckton. It's pathetic.

The mention of "Right Wing Think Tank" made me think of this Maher classic. This bit was funny even for those who hate his guts.

Youtube Video
8 swamprat  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:46:17pm

Goodnight. Put me down for my usual 200.

9 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:47:52pm

re: #6 Charles

Meanwhile, my former associate Roger Simon is attending a "climate conference" sponsored by the right wing think tank the Heartland Institute, the group that was originally formed to cover up the harmful effects of tobacco, featuring the quack climate science denier Christopher Monckton. It's pathetic.

Lovely: Tobacco shills, a wingnut who gives space to the Stalker Blog, and the Lord High Denier. Quite the gathering. Anyone who's anyone won't be there.

10 Irenicum  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:48:16pm

Yesterday's Globe had an interesting piece about the two sides in the whole AGW scene here at MIT. Reading it now, so haven't formed an opinion yet.

11 freetoken  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:48:35pm

I'm being a bit pedantic here, but the USAToday story that reads:

Two separate sources of temperature data – the National Climatic Data Center and NASA – report that, through April, 2010 is the warmest year ever recorded.

... would be more accurate if it read "different temperature analyses". An actual source of some surface temperature data, say a meteorological station, may feed both analyses.

12 Nimed  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:50:58pm

re: #3 JasonA

re: #5 Irenicum

Many people argue in good faith on this issue but have a problem with understanding stochastic processes. Because of this, the fact that the warmest year on record was 12 years ago is a datum extremely easy to demagogue.

Climate and weather are not the same, but unfortunately the chances of CC legislation passing depends more on the latter (and on the unemployment rate). So it's relatively good news that these two indicators "improve".

13 Bagua  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:52:56pm

re: #11 freetoken

I'm being a bit pedantic here, but the USAToday story that reads:

... would be more accurate if it read "different temperature analyses". An actual source of some surface temperature data, say a meteorological station, may feed both analyses.

Perhaps more accurate to say "two different data sets" based upon the same sources?

14 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:54:44pm
Youtube Video

"At least act like you care." Gotta love Shephard Smith.

15 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:55:14pm

Time for me to turn in. Goodnight all.

16 swamprat  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:55:17pm

I don't see Michael Mann as a liar.
I know nothing of his work on global warming.
But if he told me he knew aliens had invented a device to make oranges power nuclear plants, I'd invest in orange groves.

17 Bagua  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:56:52pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Time for me to turn in. Goodnight all.

Goodnight Dark Falcon.

18 Irenicum  Mon, May 17, 2010 10:56:52pm

re: #14 JasonA

Just saw that earlier tonight. Gotta luv the Shep!

19 freetoken  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:00:49pm

re: #10 Irenicum

While I'm glad that boston.com wrote a piece in more detail than what is often found in the media, it left me a bit disheartened.

An analogy might be found in the creationism debates. The need to present a controversy by nature often plants an idea that two sides of an issue are on equal footing. This is one of many reasons why real scientists often don't want to "debate" a creationist - it gives a false impression that two views are both vying for the same place on the pedestal of truth, though that is often not the case (especially so in the case of creationism.)

Rather than just Emanuel vs. Lindzen, a more accurate presentation would be (Emanuel & Hansen & x & y & z ...) vs. Lindzen. However, the boston.com piece is not just a science piece but also a culture piece (note the references to family members, etc.) and I suppose the writer/editors were going for a homey touch.

Also, by picking the hurricane prediction of Emanuel, boston.com picked one of the more controversial of the projections of the effects of climate change. There are several other effects that are much more certain.

20 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:00:52pm

Nighty all.

21 palomino  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:02:02pm

re: #1 Floral Giraffe

*runs around screaming*
Weather is not the same as climate change.

If we have a really hot summer, the spotlight will be back on AGW--because lots of people don't understand that elemental distinction.

Some pollsters believe that opinion polls on AGW reflect this pretty clearly, based on when they're taken with respect to recent weather patterns.

22 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:04:45pm

re: #21 palomino

Cool. We can shift the blame on Mother Nature for not making her case more succinctly...

23 freetoken  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:05:28pm

re: #1 Floral Giraffe

*runs around screaming*
Weather is not the same as climate change.

True.

Yet the current record temperatures may be Earth's way of giving the middle finger to those pundits who've been trying to sell the "temperatures are falling" pig, no?

24 webevintage  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:05:46pm

OT Too soon?

Red Dead Redemption....
Did the midnight run for an obsessed 18 year old who STILL does not have his DL.

My reward is y'allll and this:

Youtube Video

Love of My Life
I really love just Freddy and Brian here and the crowd singing all the words.
I've always thought that that must be the most awesome feeling in the world to have thousands and thousands of people singing the words you have written.
25 zoidberg  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:09:10pm

Don't get me wrong, I don't deny this global warming business since so many scientists say that it's happening, but I do have a question -
If 2010 is indeed the "Warmest year on record so far", is that proof of global warming?

Why should I believe that, when at the same time the right banter on like banshees that such-and-such year was the coldest year in x-years, and is proof that AGW is a farce.

The only thing i'd object to is Governments around the world trying to fix the issue - they'll just make a disaster of it and worsen the problem, no doubt.

26 avanti  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:09:38pm

re: #2 Nimed

Like I said in a previous thread, the silver lining here is that we'll stop listening to the bullshit about how we are in "a cooling trend" since 1998.

Really ? Here's the latest phony web site some right wings sites are linking too this week. BTW, The Science and Space Research centers sole purpose in life is to cater to the loons.

cooling earth.

27 Irenicum  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:11:29pm

re: #19 freetoken

I agree. The piece could have been much better. A lot more sciencey and less interpersonal drama between the two protagonists. Although in one respect what it really describes is a debate between sides among conservatives, since they both seem to come from that same ideological background. The story may not be interesting regarding the science. It may be interesting regarding the ideological divide among conservatives. That, in itself, is fascinating. How does ideology affect your thinking regarding the more controversial aspects of science?

28 ryannon  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:12:27pm

I survived the previous thread.

Where's my tee-shirt?

29 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:17:55pm

re: #12 Nimed

re: #5 Irenicum

Many people argue in good faith on this issue but have a problem with understanding stochastic processes. Because of this, the fact that the warmest year on record was 12 years ago is a datum extremely easy to demagogue.

Climate and weather are not the same, but unfortunately the chances of CC legislation passing depends more on the latter (and on the unemployment rate). So it's relatively good news that these two indicators "improve".

Some simple experiments that can be done with penny flipping or with computer-generated random numbers might help.

Run a series of flips with a coin biased by 1 percent to heads. Count plus 1 for heads, minus 1 for tails.

Almost all the time, as the score piles up in the plus column, the record high score will be many flips ago. The penny-is-biased deniers can always point to such evidence.

With one such run, knocked off just for the heck of it, of 50 000 flips, the average age of the record number of net heads over tails so far was about 2800 flips.

There are stretches of thousands of flips where the recent number of tails is more than heads.

That, even though the coin is 1 percent biased to heads, and heads end up with a lead of 576, right about where you'd expect.

30 Irenicum  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:20:38pm

re: #19 freetoken

Freetoken, I agree that debates get framed as either/or for advertising reasons. And this one afforded that opportunity. I posted it simply b/c I saw it as an interesting corollary to the current debate. I firmly believe that AGW is real. But as I've already said, we need to sell the argument better so that the non-scientifically minded will get why it's important to them. When that happens, public policy can be changed.

31 Mentis Fugit  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:21:22pm

re: #25 zoidberg

Don't get me wrong, I don't deny this global warming business since so many scientists say that it's happening, but I do have a question -
If 2010 is indeed the "Warmest year on record so far", is that proof of global warming?


By itself, no. As part of a long-running statistical trend, yes.

Why should I believe that, when at the same time the right banter on like banshees that such-and-such year was the coldest year in x-years, and is proof that AGW is a farce.


Such-and-such year? For the reflex deniers, a week of snow constitutes a debunking. They won't admit there's a problem until their dogs are evaporating on the sidewalk.

32 Bagua  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:22:28pm

re: #29 lostlakehiker

Link?

33 Irenicum  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:26:32pm

Well gang, it's late. I'd love to stay. But I've got to hit the hay. Have a good day.

34 palomino  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:27:19pm

re: #25 zoidberg

Don't get me wrong, I don't deny this global warming business since so many scientists say that it's happening, but I do have a question -
If 2010 is indeed the "Warmest year on record so far", is that proof of global warming?

Why should I believe that, when at the same time the right banter on like banshees that such-and-such year was the coldest year in x-years, and is proof that AGW is a farce.

The only thing i'd object to is Governments around the world trying to fix the issue - they'll just make a disaster of it and worsen the problem, no doubt.

You should look more closely at what the anti-AGW forces say, then maybe you'll believe this "global warming business." Does this look to you like temperatures are going up or down?

When they say "coldest year in x years" they usually have a time frame of only a few years, which is useless when you have climate data for 130 years. The statement "2008 was the coldest year in 8 years" is meaningless when you look at the fact that it was still one of the warmest ever recorded, a fact AGW opponents leave out.

I understand the seduction of "govt. sucks, they shouldn't do anything", but who else has the resources and the capacity to deal with this, especially since part of the solution is working with all other countries?

35 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:27:24pm

re: #25 zoidberg

Don't get me wrong, I don't deny this global warming business since so many scientists say that it's happening, but I do have a question -
If 2010 is indeed the "Warmest year on record so far", is that proof of global warming?

Why should I believe that, when at the same time the right banter on like banshees that such-and-such year was the coldest year in x-years, and is proof that AGW is a farce.

The only thing i'd object to is Governments around the world trying to fix the issue - they'll just make a disaster of it and worsen the problem, no doubt.

A record warm year doesn't prove AGW. All evidence is cumulative. A record year makes the case that much stronger; a cold year makes the case that much weaker. The case is piling up a big lead but from time to time there are years and even decades when temperatures fail to rise, or even fall.

There are three possible approaches. We might just muddle along and take our losses to the effects of AGW. The cost of that figures to be pretty stiff, to say the least.

We might come up with a technical solution which makes it attractive for everybody to switch away from coal, just as we still have wood for fires but it's merely recreational in the developed world.

Or we might get governments to agree on everybody let's reduce CO2 emissions, all together so nobody has to bear the brunt of the price alone. Together with a partial technical fix, so the pain is less than the pain of just watching the seas rise and the crops fail, we could get through OK.

If there is no full-blown technical fix, governments will have to get involved if we're to avoid just taking our lumps. Nations aren't going to rein in CO2 production out of a surge of good will and environmental activism on the part of civilians, who oddly enough don't vote their convictions on this score. And if some nations rein theirs in while others just take advantage, world CO2 will soar even if some nations go totally "green".

Bruce Bueno di Mesquito, author of Predictioneers Game, thinks we'll end up with a technical fix. That would be nice, and we do have some cool inventions in the pipeline and many bright inventors working on the problem. But can we be certain that there really is a purely technical fix within near-term reach of our limited brainpower? One that just obsoletes coal?

36 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:29:18pm

re: #31 Mentis Fugit

The deniers can't even wrap what "climate change" really means around their heads. They're still stuck on reading "global warming" literally. Or more specifically, they fail to realize that a global rise doesn't mean they'll see significant local changes. Ah hell, it's hard to be optimistic when a lot of people want to believe this is a farce so they'll only listen to any information that makes them feel better.

37 palomino  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:32:13pm

re: #31 Mentis Fugit

Such-and-such year? For the reflex deniers, a week of snow constitutes a debunking. They won't admit there's a problem until their dogs are evaporating on the sidewalk.

Read the comments on the original USA Today piece; they're hilarious. You've got commenters claiming that the warm temperature data must be erroneous because it was so cold where they live. Others don't see a problem because 1.24 degrees isn't really that much. (which is true if you're cooking a steak, but not true in a fragile ecosystem)

38 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:36:34pm

re: #6 Charles

Glad it's a "former associate" and the break is already done.
Hang in there, Charles.

39 Bagua  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:39:58pm

re: #29 lostlakehiker

The conclusion being that the anonymously high extreme reading occurs, on average, very early in the otherwise randomised data having a set bias?

40 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 17, 2010 11:41:16pm

re: #37 palomino

Read the comments on the original USA Today piece; they're hilarious. You've got commenters claiming that the warm temperature data must be erroneous because it was so cold where they live. Others don't see a problem because 1.24 degrees isn't really that much. (which is true if you're cooking a steak, but not true in a fragile ecosystem)

Don't worry. We'll see some of the same types of comments here before very long.

41 palomino  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:09:46am

re: #40 Charles

Don't worry. We'll see some of the same types of comments here before very long.

What motivates this visceral anti-AGW response? Is it all Gore haters and blind partisans? Maybe a little fear of changing our lifestyles? I don't see much else.

42 Bagua  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:09:49am

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- Lightnin' Hopkins
43 zoidberg  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:22:09am

re: #35 lostlakehiker
One that just obsoletes coal?

Well, nucelar energy was supposed to be the answer to that, but (in Australia, for example) the federal government doesn't allow it, so in effect, our governement is making the problem worse. Hopefully this wave technology i hear about will be an answer.

Another way that government is making the problem worse is with its implementation of the public transport system - where i'm from (Melbourne), the train network sucks - so most people drive to work instead. I know how much it sucks first hand since i commute with public transport to work. If the train network was privately owned/operated enterprise(s), i have no doubt it'd be many times better than the current system.

44 sagehen  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:24:23am

re: #41 palomino

What motivates this visceral anti-AGW response? Is it all Gore haters and blind partisans? Maybe a little fear of changing our lifestyles? I don't see much else.

For some business interests, it's about the price (now) of making changes (even though it's cheaper in the long-run.) This year's budget projections and stock prices are of vital importance to people whose compensation is based on short-term criteria.

And for the rapture crowd, anything that fucks up the planet is a *good* thing, to be encouraged by any means available. Yay end-of-the-world! Hurrah!

45 sagehen  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:35:11am

re: #43 zoidberg

Another way that government is making the problem worse is with its implementation of the public transport system - where i'm from (Melbourne), the train network sucks - so most people drive to work instead. I know how much it sucks first hand since i commute with public transport to work. If the train network was privately owned/operated enterprise(s), i have no doubt it'd be many times better than the current system.

70 years ago, Los Angeles had a world-class public transportation system. An electric light rail network throughout the basin, with connecting buses. Somebody insisted it would be more efficient/better run as a privately owned/operated enterprise, convinced the city council to sell it to a for-profit company.

That company turned out to be a shell corporation owned by General Motors, Standard Oil, Firestone Tire and Phillips Petroleum. They paved over the tracks, poured concrete into the tunnels, and boy did they ever sell a lot of cars and tires and gas to people who still needed to get from point A to point B. Great return on investment for them. And it cost the taxpayers a bundle to buy back land and rebuild a network half a century later.

46 palomino  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:37:14am

re: #44 sagehen

For some business interests, it's about the price (now) of making changes (even though it's cheaper in the long-run.) This year's budget projections and stock prices are of vital importance to people whose compensation is based on short-term criteria.

And for the rapture crowd, anything that fucks up the planet is a *good* thing, to be encouraged by any means available. Yay end-of-the-world! Hurrah!

Your explanation definitely makes sense. But do you think that the level of hostility on the right towards AGW is the result of concern for energy and related corporations? That would be logical for a few energy producing states (TX, OK, AK, maybe the coal states); but a lot of the opposition seems to be motivated by partisan allegiance and hatred of environmentalists. It's become like a GOP partisan purity test.

47 Mentis Fugit  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:54:43am

re: #36 JasonA

Or more specifically, they fail to realize that a global rise doesn't mean they'll see significant local changesrises.

Amended for digression: a net rise can lead to local cooling. One catastrophic outcome of such a rise could be the diversion or diminution of the Gulf Stream. The British Isles would become a far more unpleasant place to live; European winters would be uglier.

But the deniers cherry-pick data as they're not bound by good faith debate. It does no good, for instance, that the Arctic ice cap is 25% larger in extent if it is also a third thinner overall, but if you quote the former figure and disregard the latter...

re: #41 palomino

What motivates this visceral anti-AGW response? Is it all Gore haters and blind partisans? Maybe a little fear of changing our lifestyles? I don't see much else.

So much else of what remains of the American right, now that the sane have all but fled, is fear. Fear God, fear the Government, fear the tax man, fear the Reaper, fear the preacher, fear of a black planet, fear of a brown or yellow planet, fear The Gay out there, and fear The Gay within.

Fear that, yes, we can foul our own nest so badly we drown in our own excrement even though the Bible says we're in charge of it all, is just one more dawning dread to hide from.

48 zoidberg  Tue, May 18, 2010 1:05:31am

re: #45 sagehen

So a major competitor of government owned public transport who, mind you, lobbies government for special favours, got the government to sell them their competition, and you're surprised that they killed it off?

Explain why this is an argument for government ownership?

49 AK-47%  Tue, May 18, 2010 1:52:09am

re: #48 zoidberg

So a major competitor of government owned public transport who, mind you, lobbies government for special favours, got the government to sell them their competition, and you're surprised that they killed it off?

Explain why this is an argument for government ownership?

It's an argument for responsible government, one that acts in the long-term interests of the governed and not in the short-term interest of the politicians.

But it is up to the voters to ensure that they elect people who are willing and able to act in their interests.

50 freetoken  Tue, May 18, 2010 2:10:43am

re: #48 zoidberg

In Japan many of the train systems are privately owned. However the rail companies could never make it in that business alone, so they are almost always a part of a much larger conglomerate.

Often a regional passenger rail company has a department store business, with the department store at the major stops and the terminus of the line. Often the rail company ends up owning large shopping areas.

However, Japan is a culture which developed around rail, while here in the US most cities today were developed, or greatly expanded, after the rise of the automobile.

IMO, and in my personal preference, the Japanese city life is better in many regards than American city life.

Our traditions, and our personal attachment to a way of life that was built around "rugged individualism", are no longer serving us well. We are no longer a rural nation. When the US was founded the largest city was IIRC Philadelphia, and it had around 30,000 people, while New York had a bit less, and Boston a bit less than NY. At that time Osaka had over half a million people, and Tokyo a bit more, and Shanghai had many more people than that.

So the great cities of the Far East have centuries long traditions of how to live in a community with many people. Here in SoCal most of the development has occurred after WWII.

To transition our way of life to that which has smaller houses on smaller lots, with transportation that is not based on principally everyone in their own automobile, and without endless luxury items imported from who knows where around the world... that change will be difficult. Yet if we are to avoid all sorts of ills (not just global warming) we will have to take a measure of austerity that this country is unaccustomed to, except for perhaps my parents' generation who grew up in the Great Depression - but most of those folk are gone now.

This gets really to the heart of the matter. We can't have everything we want... yet we are bombarded daily with messages telling us we can. This brings the tension - and the conflict. No wonder the Tea Partiers love Reagan - he told them it could always be "morning in America".

The real question is not whether it is "morning", evening, or night. The real question is much less poetic. It is simply this:

Do you care about anything else but your own immediate personal gain?

51 AK-47%  Tue, May 18, 2010 2:18:45am

re: #50 freetoken


The only thing the US seems to do better with railroads in Europe is moving freight. Here in Europe, an awful lot of it of it is still sent by truck, which is highly inefficient and clogs the main highways.

They have been very slow in etting up a system like the US for loading truck trailers onto flatcars.

For that, they have some awesome pasenger trains.

52 sagehen  Tue, May 18, 2010 2:55:43am

One of the keys on my omputer has suddenly deided not to work. an you guess whih one?

Question: is this fixable, or do I need a new keyboard? Are they expensive? (last year's I-ma, if that matters. And the Apple Store is only four bloks away and opens in just a few hours...)

53 freetoken  Tue, May 18, 2010 2:57:44am

re: #52 sagehen

Mac keyboards are not very expensive. Even the wireless ones. In the meantime, if you have to, you can open up the "Special Characters" under the Edit menu and drag/click on the letter "c" from a menu.

54 AK-47%  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:05:28am

Reminds me of this here Monty Python sketch about the man who cannot say the letter "c".

Youtube Video

have you pried the key off and checked the action? In general, though, keyboards are dirt cheap these days unless you want a fancy ergonomic model.

55 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:16:16am

re: #52 sagehen

Are you sure there's not a piece of crud stuck under the key? Whenever this happens, it's usually that, I pry the key off, blow it out with compressed air, boom done.

But keyboards are cheap. Even cheaper of you have a PC! But they're always cheap unless you decide to go fancy and get a wireless.

Or you can go completely out of your mind screaming bonkers and get a keyboard with an LCD screen for each key. I shit you not.

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:17:28am

re: #53 freetoken

Mac keyboards are not very expensive. Even the wireless ones. In the meantime, if you have to, you can open up the "Special Characters" under the Edit menu and drag/click on the letter "c" from a menu.

Macros! Assign the left Alt key or the tilde to the letter "C", there, done. :D

57 AK-47%  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:18:49am

re: #55 WindUpBird

I understand why a Russian would invent such a thing: he wanted to be able to switch from Cyrillic to Roman letters without having to switch keyboards.

I go dippy trying to type Cyrillic on my keyboard, the only letter that corresponds in both is the letter "c".

Silly bunt.

58 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:20:09am

re: #57 ralphieboy

I understand why a Russian would invent such a thing: he wanted to be able to switch from Cyrillic to Roman letters without having to switch keyboards.

I go dippy trying to type Cyrillic on my keyboard, the only letter that corresponds in both is the letter "c".

Silly bunt.

And it's only $1600! :D

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:47:51am

re: #52 sagehen

Keyboards are pretty cheap. 15 bucks or so...

Keyboards for an Apple product? 3,500.00 or so...

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:49:38am

re: #45 sagehen

That a Bilderberger story or real?

61 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:54:04am

Evening honcos!

As I may have mentioned the previous evening, I received my absentee ballot for the 2010 California elections in the mail. It was then that I remembered that I am still registered as a Republican in California.

After curling up and sobbing for a few minutes, I figured I might as well attempt to kick out the Tea Party before I head to the US Embassy and switch to Green. I just need to figure out which candidates aren't Tea Partiers...

62 sattv4u2  Tue, May 18, 2010 3:59:35am

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That a Bilderberger story or real?



The Great American streetcar scandal (also known as the General Motors streetcar conspiracy and the National City Lines conspiracy) is a conspiracy[1][2] theory in which streetcar systems throughout the United States were dismantled and replaced with buses in the mid-20th century as a result of alleged illegal actions by a number of prominent companies, acting through National City Lines (NCL), Pacific City Lines (on the West Coast, starting in 1938), and American City Lines (in large cities, starting in 1943).

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

63 sattv4u2  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:07:28am

Well ,,, while you all sit and watch the paint dry and the grass grow, i think I'll start the day!

64 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:09:16am

re: #63 sattv4u2

Have fun!

65 m0rtaar  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:10:04am

re: #55 WindUpBird

Or... how about a keyboard you make up yourself? *DROOL*

The Ultimate Customizable Keyboard...

(too bad it's out of stock though...)

66 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:10:33am

re: #55 WindUpBird

Are you sure there's not a piece of crud stuck under the key? Whenever this happens, it's usually that, I pry the key off, blow it out with compressed air, boom done.

But keyboards are cheap. Even cheaper of you have a PC! But they're always cheap unless you decide to go fancy and get a wireless.

Or you can go completely out of your mind screaming bonkers and get a keyboard with an LCD screen for each key. I shit you not.

Virtual keyboard.

67 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:13:27am

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Keyboards are pretty cheap. 15 bucks or so...

Keyboards for an Apple product? 3,500.00 or so...


Shift keys not included.
/

68 Taqyia2Me  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:14:03am

CT Senate candidate Blumenthal made up Vietnam service?
Harvard not able to confirm he was on their swim team?
A politician lied, go figure...

69 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:15:22am

re: #68 Taqyia2Me

CT Senate candidate Blumenthal made up Vietnam service?
Harvard not able to confirm he was on their swim team?
A politician lied, go figure...


UNPOSSIBLE

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:17:38am

re: #67 Varek Raith

Shift keys not included.
/

Apple customers can't believe the value!

71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:19:36am

re: #68 Taqyia2Me

Oh, gosh! Just read that story.

Not only did he not serve, he got deferments.

What a dick!

72 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:21:41am

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, gosh! Just read that story.

Not only did he not serve, he got deferments.

What a dick!

Well...that's kinda the same right???
//

73 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:23:02am

re: #72 rwdflynavy

Well...that's kinda the same right???
//

He got deferments for Vietnam, but served during the Martian First Contact War?

75 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:25:25am

re: #74 rwdflynavy
You think that's bad? Check my #61. Oh, and Orly Taitz is running for California Secretary of State.

76 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:26:51am

re: #74 rwdflynavy

Woody Allen says President Obama should be granted dictatorial powers

I have no words...

re: #75 laZardo

You think that's bad? Check my #61. Oh, and Orly Taitz is running for California Secretary of State.

Image: your-head-asplode.jpg

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:29:03am

re: #72 rwdflynavy

It appears he actively sought to avoid service in Nam.

Kind of makes the "I served" line a little more grievous, if you ask me.

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:32:54am

There a primary in Connecticut today?

Isn't this the day that Specter his ass kicked??

79 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:32:55am

That does it - I'm going to look at some Baffin Island timeshares.
Good Morning LGF.

80 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:35:59am

re: #76 Varek Raith

Image: your-head-asplode.jpg

More like in GIF.

Still, voting for her rival was the easiest part of filling out the primary ballot. Also voted Meg Whitman for Governor. Now for the rest of them...

81 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:41:02am

Good morning lizards!

82 AK-47%  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:45:47am

re: #76 Varek Raith

Image: your-head-asplode.jpg

I care about Woody Allen's politics about as much as I care about Obama's film making.

But in the heyday of the Roman Empire, the state was strong enough to break its political deadlocks by naming a temporary dictator: one who had unlimited power but a limited term in office.

That meant he could take whatever steps necessary to break the deadlock to solve the problem at hand, but had to reckon with the fact that at the end of a year, he would be a normal citizen and would have to deal with his fellow citizens again.

This is, however, a risky move: once a dictator is named, he is not going to want to cede power, and it did happen with Julius Caesar.

83 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:47:08am

TV chef charged with attempted murder of wife

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A former television chef has been charged with trying to hire homeless men to kill his wife.

Juan Carlos Cruz, who hosted the Food Network show "Calorie Commando," is charged with attempted murder and solicitation of murder. He is scheduled to be arraigned Monday in Los Angeles.

The district attorney's office says the 48-year-old chef offered money to two homeless men to kill his wife. Santa Monica police arrested Cruz on Thursday after one of the homeless men contacted the department.

84 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:49:21am

re: #82 ralphieboy

I care about Woody Allen's politics about as much as I care about Obama's film making.

But in the heyday of the Roman Empire, the state was strong enough to break its political deadlocks by naming a temporary dictator: one who had unlimited power but a limited term in office.

That meant he could take whatever steps necessary to break the deadlock to solve the problem at hand, but had to reckon with the fact that at the end of a year, he would be a normal citizen and would have to deal with his fellow citizens again.

This is, however, a risky move: once a dictator is named, he is not going to want to cede power, and it did happen with Julius Caesar.

Heh, if I were President and was appointed a temporary dictator...

MP3 Audio
85 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:55:07am

re: #82 ralphieboy

I care about Woody Allen's politics about as much as I care about Obama's film making.

But in the heyday of the Roman Empire, the state was strong enough to break its political deadlocks by naming a temporary dictator: one who had unlimited power but a limited term in office.

That meant he could take whatever steps necessary to break the deadlock to solve the problem at hand, but had to reckon with the fact that at the end of a year, he would be a normal citizen and would have to deal with his fellow citizens again.

This is, however, a risky move: once a dictator is named, he is not going to want to cede power, and it did happen with Julius Caesar.

Rubicon anyone?

86 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 4:57:22am

re: #82 ralphieboy

I care about Woody Allen's politics about as much as I care about Obama's film making.

But in the heyday of the Roman Empire, the state was strong enough to break its political deadlocks by naming a temporary dictator: one who had unlimited power but a limited term in office.

That meant he could take whatever steps necessary to break the deadlock to solve the problem at hand, but had to reckon with the fact that at the end of a year, he would be a normal citizen and would have to deal with his fellow citizens again.

This is, however, a risky move: once a dictator is named, he is not going to want to cede power, and it did happen with Julius Caesar.

Rome is a long way from Cincinnati.

87 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:07:31am

Arson attack on German synagogue

BERLIN — A synagogue in western Germany has been hit by an arson attack, with unknown perpetrators setting fire to eight corners of the building and throwing a Molotov cocktail against a window, prosecutors said Monday.

Firefighters quickly extinguished the blaze and there were no injuries or serious damage to the building, police said in a statement. Officers found several copies of a letter claiming responsibility for the attack which read, in badly worded German: "As soon as you don't leave the Palestinians in peace, we won't let you in peace."

Prosecutor Klaus-Peter Mieth, however, told journalists in Worms that it was to early to draw conclusions about the perpetrators' political background. All possibilities are being investigated, German news agency DDP quoted him as saying.

88 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:09:55am

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

Youtube Video

/i'm not religious, I just love this song because i'm anxious to get Red Dead Redemption this week.

89 Taqyia2Me  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:10:22am

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

Radical fundamentalist Amish?

90 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:12:33am

re: #88 laZardo

Youtube Video

/i'm not religious, I just love this song because i'm anxious to get Red Dead Redemption this week.

Speaking of games...
Eve actually works on my laptop.
Unexpected... Lol.

91 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:18:53am

Good morning Lizards! Rain today in "sunny" Philadelphia. Town is abuzz with the Flyers playoff run and the upcoming Game 2 to be played tonight. (Ice Hockey for those not in the know - Eastern Conference Finals)

Tons of work to do with a financial interface whose due date keeps getting moved up. I also have some reading to do while test programs run.

And my two LGF cookbooks arrived yesterday in the mail. Red letter day!

And, of course, a few primaries. But since I'm registered as an Independent (member of the A Pox on Both Their Houses Party) I will not be getting a say in today's voting.

92 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:30:18am

Cue tumbleweeds.

Youtube Video
93 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:36:02am

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94 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:36:11am

Democrat running for Senate in Connecticut lied about his military experience in Vietnam...

Report: Blumenthal lied about military service

Did attorney general and senate hopeful Richard Blumenthal ever serve in Vietnam? Well, no. But according to The New York Times, Blumenthal is suggesting the opposite.

Blumenthal also claims he served as the Captain of the Harvard swim team, despite records at the college showing that he was never on the team.

“We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,” Blumenthal said to a group gathered in Norwalk in March 2008. But Blumehthal according to the Times, obtained five military deferments from 1965 to 1970 and took steps to avoid going to war.

“In 1970, with his last deferment in jeopardy, he enlisted in the Marine Reserve, landing a coveted spot in a unit in Washington, D.C., which virtually guaranteed that he would not be sent to Vietnam. The unit conducted part-time drills and other exercises and focused on local projects, like fixing a campground and organizing a Toys for Tots drive,” The Times report says.

The paper asked the attorney general about the contrast, and Blumenthal reportedly responded that he had misspoken.

“My intention has always been to be completely clear and accurate and straightforward, out of respect to the veterans who served in Vietnam,” he told the paper in an interview.

But The Times goes on to list several speeches during which it suggests Blumenthal misled his audience about his military career.

At a rally in Bridgeport in 2003, Blumenthal was quoted as saying, “When we returned, we saw nothing like this,”

In 2008, in Shelton, Blumenthal spoke at a veterans’ memorial dedication saying, “I served during the Vietnam era. … I remember the taunts, the insults, sometimes even physical abuse.”

“As a veteran myself, anyone who lies about their service should be ashamed of themselves,” City Councilor Rick Dalla Valle, himself a veteran said. “People give their lives every day, and anyone that lies about their service should be ashamed.”

95 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:44:06am

Rocker Costello cancels Israel gig

JERUSALEM — British rocker Elvis Costello has called off planned gigs in Israel, citing what he called the "intimidation" and "humiliation" of Palestinians.

The singer-songwriter is the latest music star to cancel performances in Israel after rock guitarist Carlos Santana and rap forefather Gil Scott-Heron called off their shows.

"It is after considerable contemplation that I have lately arrived at the decision that I must withdraw from the two performances scheduled in Israel on the 30th of June and the 1st of July," Costello said on his webpage.

"I must believe that the audience for the coming concerts would have contained many people who question the policies of their government on settlement and deplore conditions that visit intimidation, humiliation or much worse on Palestinian civilians in the name of national security," he said.

Israeli Sport and Culture Minister Limor Livnat lambasted Costello's decision to stay away from the Jewish state.

"An artist who boycotts his fans in Israel is not worthy of performing in front of them," Livnat said in a statement.

Some pro-Palestinian movements advocate an academic and cultural boycott of Israel to protest its occupation of Palestinian territory.

96 Randall Gross  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:48:21am

Oregon's looking better and better...

97 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:56:33am

For the Desert Rats ..past and present(like myself)!


[Link: www.tucsonweekly.com...]

98 Ericus58  Tue, May 18, 2010 5:58:27am

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

Rocker Costello cancels Israel gig

Hey Elvis, you just not that important.

99 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:08:17am

re: #91 oaktree

Good morning Lizards! Rain today in "sunny" Philadelphia. Town is abuzz with the Flyers playoff run and the upcoming Game 2 to be played tonight. (Ice Hockey for those not in the know - Eastern Conference Finals)

Tons of work to do with a financial interface whose due date keeps getting moved up. I also have some reading to do while test programs run.

And my two LGF cookbooks arrived yesterday in the mail. Red letter day!

And, of course, a few primaries. But since I'm registered as an Independent (member of the A Pox on Both Their Houses Party) I will not be getting a say in today's voting.

I've been to a Game 5 and 7 of the Stanely Cup Playoffs. I live in Florida (HOCKEY STATE!!). And besides as a child, (don't remember) I didn't see snow until I was 30. But luck to youz guyz!!!

And good morning honcos.

100 ShaunP  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:20:39am

re: #83 NJDhockeyfan

TV chef charged with attempted murder of wife

Wrong link?

101 SteveC  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:21:39am

Good morning! And Good News!

Gabriella came out of surgery at about 5:30 AM Eastern time. She's doing well and so is her new heart!

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:22:33am

re: #82 ralphieboy

Woody Allen is a douchebag who had an affair with his adopted daughter. Can you imagine if someone had said that "W" should be a dictator?
(PS. I know Woody married her, which makes him an even bigger douche)

103 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:22:56am

Mornin' folks! Saw an episode of 'Into the Universe' last night. Very good.

104 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:23:42am

re: #103 pingjockey

Mornin' folks! Saw an episode of 'Into the Universe' last night. Very good.

Hawking?

105 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:25:22am

0re: #100 ShaunP

Wrong link?

LOL...yup. I hadn't finished my first cup of coffee yet.

TV chef charged with attempted murder of wife

Fixed.

106 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:25:51am

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yep. They were talking about time travel. At .99c one minute or one day equals 10 or 100 yr on earth. However, It'd take 4 yrs of continous acceleration with engines we don't have to go that fast.

107 SteveC  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:25:58am

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hawking?

No, the sales pitch was pretty low key!

Ba-dum bump! "Thank you! I'll be here all week!"

108 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:26:12am

re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar

Woody Allen is a douchebag who had an affair with his adopted daughter. Can you imagine if someone had said that "W" should be a dictator?
(PS. I know Woody married her, which makes him an even bigger douche)

There were plenty of people who said he was a dictator.

109 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:28:16am

Pfizer to trim 6,000 jobs, shut 8 plants worldwide


NEW YORK – Pfizer says it will cut 6,000 jobs as it trims its manufacturing capacity worldwide after acquiring smaller rival Wyeth last year.

The world's biggest drugmaker says it will cease operations at eight plants in Ireland, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. by the end of 2015, and reduce operations at six other plants over the next several years.

The New York-based company said in April it would cut 20,000 jobs as part of the Wyeth integration.

I always thought Pfizer was a stand up company.

110 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:29:44am

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

Pfizer to trim 6,000 jobs, shut 8 plants worldwide

I always thought Pfizer was a stand up company.

Hard to believe, huh?

111 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:30:18am

Why are the majority of pols so dumb? Some asshat congress critter was or did tout his VN service. Turns out, he got 5 deferments and served in the Marine reserves but never got near VN. Hey! Pols, we have search engines now and can fact check yer ass! Some other nimnod, ran on 'family values' and had an affair with a staffer.

112 SteveC  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:31:47am

Play with your scrotum anywhere!

From the Department of Sensible Things That Are Still Quite Funny comes these life size testicles, made with BIOLIKE™ synthetic tissue. Now you can fondle your balls in public without fear of prosecution! Yours for just $115.

113 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:32:58am

re: #112 SteveC
Or you can become a major league baseball player!

114 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:36:08am

re: #111 pingjockey

When I think Family Values, John Edwards comes to mind.
/

115 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:36:16am

The prez of BP is smoking crack. Says the spills affect will be 'moderate'.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:36:40am

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hard to believe, huh?

Must be some stiff competition out there.

117 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:37:00am

re: #114 Cannadian Club Akbar
My little pony comes to mind.

118 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:37:33am

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

Pfizer to trim 6,000 jobs, shut 8 plants worldwide

I always thought Pfizer was a stand up company.

They likely are, for the most part. But they likely bought out their rival for its research and patents, and hence the reorg. Layoffs always happen after a merger.

119 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:38:08am

re: #115 pingjockey

The prez of BP is smoking crack. Says the spills affect will be 'moderate'.

Chocolate milk and rainbows.

120 Daniel Ballard  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:39:18am

Funny if true-
NBC co5respondednt swallows fly on air. Heh. It's Brietbart though...

121 Daniel Ballard  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:39:42am

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

Correspondent. Darn. PIMF

122 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:40:29am

re: #119 Varek Raith
There was a former sub sailor on the news yesterday saying using a nuc shaped charge could plug the leak!

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:40:44am

I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. But, you wanna know what makes it better? Robocalls. Ya know, you get out of the computer chair and there is no one there. Joy to the world....

124 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:41:17am

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar
Been getting those on my work cell! Gaaah.

125 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:41:32am

A New York man accused of helping al-Qaeda with computer systems and cash was denied bail on Monday in a New York court.

Sabirhan Hasanoff, 34, a dual US and Australian citizen who owns a home in Brooklyn, New York, was arrested on April 30 and charged with conspiracy to provide material support to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, according to a US district court indictment.

Another New York man, Wesam El-Hanafi, was arrested and charged in the same indictment, and is currently detained pending an appearance in Manhattan federal court later this week. Both men are accused of pledging allegiance to al-Qaeda and using their computer expertise to aid the group.

After hearing from prosecutors and Hasanoff's attorney Anthony Ricco, US magistrate judge James Francis placed Hasanoff in detention without bail, deeming his "level of sophistication" too big a risk.

SNIP

126 SteveC  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:42:16am

Space Medicine 101: Bathroom skills

STS-132, the NASA space shuttle mission currently flying, has produced some instructional videos detailing the training they went through while still on Earth. Of particular amusement to the medically interested would be the bathroom facilities training, detailed in this YouTube video released earlier this month.

127 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:42:22am

re: #122 pingjockey

There was a former sub sailor on the news yesterday saying using a nuc shaped charge could plug the leak!

The Soviets used kiloton-sized devices to plug oil leaks a couple of times.
:D

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:42:35am

re: #125 MandyManners

Fucking Amish...

129 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:43:20am

re: #127 Varek Raith
No shit!? I knew you could use shaped charges on wells on land, not underwater.

130 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:43:32am

Cost of Illegal Immigration Rising Rapidly in Arizona, Study Finds

Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers even more than once thought -- a whopping $2.7 billion in 2009, according to researchers at the public interest group that helped write the state's new immigration law.

Researchers at FAIR – The Federation for American Immigration Reform -- released data exclusively to FoxNews.com that show a steady cost climb in multiple areas, including incarceration, education and health, in the last five years.

FAIR’s cost estimates – compiled for a comprehensive national immigration report it plans to release next month – include several new cost areas, including welfare and the justice system, that weren’t in previous reports.

FAIR admits that the cost to implement the new law in some of those categories, such as incarceration, will add to the economic strain on the state. But overall, it says, the loss of immigrants either from the deterrent effect of the law, voluntary exodus or from mass deportations, will help the state financially.

Also, the savings to the state will far overwhelm any fallout from boycotts (estimated at between $7 million and $52 million) being threatened in the wake of the law's passage, according to FAIR spokesman Bob Dane.

FAIR's new breakdown shows that illegal immigrants take $1.6 billion from Arizona's education system, $694.8 million from health care services, $339.7 million in law enforcement and court costs, $85.5 million in welfare costs and $155.4 million in other general costs.

The organization concedes that enforcing Arizona SB1070, the new law that allows local police to ask for immigration documents and arrest those who don’t have them, will increase the state’s incarceration costs, police training budgets and prosecution expenses -- but it says those numbers can’t yet be estimated with certainty. Also, it says, some of those costs will be offset by revenues from fines levied against businesses charged with knowingly hiring illegal immigrants, as well as from immigrants themselves who might be charged with minor crimes and fined before being deported.

131 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:43:42am

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've been to a Game 5 and 7 of the Stanely Cup Playoffs. I live in Florida (HOCKEY STATE!!). And besides as a child, (don't remember) I didn't see snow until I was 30. But luck to youz guyz!!!

And good morning honcos.

Only wrong thing with this is that I'm a Penguins fan... ;/
(Transplanted here in Philly after living for 25+ years in/near Pittsburgh.)

132 SteveC  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:44:08am

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. But, you wanna know what makes it better? Robocalls. Ya know, you get out of the computer chair and there is no one there. Joy to the world...

"There's a new Operator in town, and her name is Robocall."

133 SteveC  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:45:09am

re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fucking Amish...

Oh, you wanna really have a blast call the Amish IT Support Department!

134 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:45:17am

An Al Qaeda operative arrested in a high profile terror swoop won the right to stay in Britain today because he would be in danger if he returned to his native Pakistan.

Abid Naseer, the alleged ringleader of an alleged plot to bomb Manchester, won an appeal against deportation alongside fellow Pakistani national Ahmad Faraz Khan despite a court accepting that both are a threat to the country.

Mr Justice Mitting, in a written ruling, said: “For the reasons stated, we are satisfied that Naseer was an al-Qaeda operative who posed and still poses a serious threat to the national security of the UK and that... it is conducive to the public good that he should be deported.”

He added that the Special Immigration Appeals Commission in London was allowing the appeal because “the issue of safety on return” made it impossible to deport Mr Naseer to Pakistan.

Mr Justice Mitting said that Mr Faraz Khan could “safely be taken to have been willing to participate” in Mr Naseer’s plans but that his appeal too was being allowed on the grounds of his safety on return.

They are being held at immigration removal centres but are expected to be released later today.

A third man detained in the raids, Shoaib Khan, 31, who has gone back to Pakistan, won his appeal against exclusion. He can now apply to return to the UK.

SNIP

135 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:46:10am

Ruh Roh, Homeland Security wants to take some money away from NY. Pols on both sides of the aisle are in a tizzy.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:46:13am

re: #131 oaktree

Only wrong thing with this is that I'm a Penguins fan... ;/
(Transplanted here in Philly after living for 25+ years in/near Pittsburgh.)

Cool. See:
Bucs vs. Eagles.
Lightning vs. Flyers.
Rays vs. Phillies. (grrrr)
Heh.

137 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:46:52am

Sweden's Center Party has promised to take action following the discovery that one of its candidates for Parliament blames Jews and US magnate David Rockefeller for the second World War as well as the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States.

The candidate, 73-year-old Ove Sviden, who apparently believes Rockefeller was a Jew, wrote a blog on which he accused him of having the Twin Towers in New York City destroyed. “As a Swede it's hard to understand the Jewish belief that a victim is necessary if anything is to be gained,” he wrote. “But for David Rockefeller this could serve as a diversion and alibi....”

Sviden's blog was publicized by the Swedish television program Rapport. He repeated his theories in an interview with Rapport, saying, “Who won the Second World War? The Jews! They got a state. A little remnant of a people gets a country. It's not a coincidence.”

SNIP

138 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:46:58am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Cost of Illegal Immigration Rising Rapidly in Arizona, Study Finds

Immigration bill, meet justification. If those stats hold up, the bill's prospects for survival just went up.

139 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:47:53am

re: #133 SteveC

Oh, you wanna really have a blast call the Amish IT Support Department!

Messenger pigeons, pen, ink and paper. A denial of service attack involves shotguns and/or cats.

;)

140 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:48:03am

re: #137 MandyManners
Those darn Jooos!

141 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:48:10am

Call in the whaaaaaambulance!

Rev. Jeremiah Wright claims President Obama 'threw me under the bus' in letter to African aid group

He's baaack.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama's controversial ex-pastor, threw a hissy fit in a letter to an African aid group, claiming that the president "threw me under the bus" and the White House views him as "toxic."

In a missive obtained by the Associated Press, Wright told Africa 6000 International that the Obama administration would likely ignore his efforts to release frozen funds for use in earthquake-stricken Haiti.

"No one in the Obama administration will respond to me, listen to me, talk to me or read anything that I write to them. I am 'toxic' in terms of the Obama administration," Wright wrote the president of the Pennsylvania-based group, Joseph Prischak, earlier this year.

"I am 'radioactive,' Sir. When Obama threw me under the bus, he threw me under the bus literally!" he wrote. "Any advice that I offer is going to be taken as something to be avoided. Please understand that!"

The White House didn't respond to requests for comment Monday about Wright's remarks.

G-D America!

142 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:49:07am

Israel warned a number of European states that it would not permit leftist-organizations planning to sail to the Gaza Strip with international aid to complete their mission.

The director of European affairs for the Foreign Ministry, Naor Gilon, met separately with envoys from Turkey, Greece, Ireland and Sweden to convey the message that any of their citizens intending to set sail for Gaza would be stopped before they could reach the coastal territory.

Describing such mission as provocative and in violation of Israeli law, Gilon told the diplomats: "Israel has not intention of allowing these sailboats in Gaza."

The Foreign Ministry message essentially entails that anybody who tries to sail to Gaza with aid, or who tries to transfer goods into the Hamas-ruled territory, must do so in accordance with procedure.

The diplomats promised to pass the message along to the appropriate sources, said the Foreign Ministry, with some even offering to help prevent their citizens from attempting the mission.

SNIP

Izzet Shahin, a volunteer for the Turkish NGO Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (IHH), was arrested in the West Bank by the Israel Defense Forces and was then transferred to the Shin Bet for investigation.

SNIP

143 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:49:10am

re: #134 MandyManners

An Al Qaeda operative arrested in a high profile terror swoop won the right to stay in Britain today because he would be in danger if he returned to his native Pakistan.

Insane. Reform of such laws is needed. Known terrorists like that should be deported regardless of what happens to them. I don't care if the Pakistani police shoot him dead on the tarmac, concerns for him should be irrelevant.

144 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:50:28am

re: #129 pingjockey

No shit!? I knew you could use shaped charges on wells on land, not underwater.

Shaped charges are often used down wells to fracture rock to allow gas and oil to flow. They are also used on land to extinguish flares. Once the fire is out, then it is possible to cap the well head cf. Boots 'n Coots in Kuwait.

What they're talking about here is the total destruction of the well head such that the cave-in seals the well. I'm not sure how well this technique would work on the surface, but under water the high pressures would compress the sea floor shortly after the explosive energy is released. I don't know much about the Russian attempts at this, or how well it worked. Since the reservoirs are far under the sea floor, it should still be possible to redrill the well and extract the minerals if this were to work.

145 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:50:28am

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan
Mwahahaha!

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:50:51am

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

Funny if true-
NBC co5respondednt swallows fly on air. Heh. It's Brietbart though...

I just saw that. Funny.

147 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:51:32am

George Galloway has returned to the U.S. for a speaking tour which began on Saturday, following a crushing defeat for re-election in the UK Parliament.

Galloway, the head and founder of Viva Palestina, an organization that supports the terrorist organization Hamas, was banned from entering Canada last year, and was declared "persona non grata" by the Egyptian foreign ministry in January, barring him from entering the country again. A Canadian judge is currently deciding whether to uphold the ban against Galloway.

Galloway has 11 speaking engagements planned, eight of which are organized by the Chicago-based group American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) as part of its "Al-Nakba Commemoration Campaign." The other three events are organized by the Muslim Legal Fund of American (MLFA), an organization which has expressed its support for groups including the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF), which saw five former officials sentenced by a federal judge last May for providing material support to Hamas; Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani woman convicted of attempted murder of U.S. citizens in Afghanistan; and the Islamic American Relief Agency, designated by the U.S. Treasury in 2004 for its support for a variety of terrorist organizations.

During Galloway's last visit to the U.S. in January to raise money for Viva Palestina, he praised Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and vilified Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak for his "tin pot tyranny."

SNIP

148 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:53:03am

re: #147 MandyManners

George Galloway has returned to the U.S. for a speaking tour which began on Saturday, following a crushing defeat for re-election in the UK Parliament.

I'd like to present him with a basket of tomatoes at one of his speeches. Naturally, the tomatoes would be given one at a time. >:D

149 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:54:19am

Renowned Jewish-American scholar and political activist Noam Chomsky said he was barred from entering Israel and the West Bank on Sunday to speak at a Palestinian university.

Chomsky had been invited to speak on Monday at Bir Zeit University near Ramallah, but was stopped from entering the West Bank at the Israeli-controlled crossing from Jordan, he told Israel's Channel 10 television.

"I went with my daughter and two old friends. We went in the normal way to the border where we were all interrogated. They were particularly interested in me," he told Channel 10 from Jordan.

Chomsky said the border officials were "very polite," as they "transmitted inquiries from the (Israeli) ministry of the interior."

However, he was denied entry because "the government did not like the kinds of things I say and they did not like that I was only talking at Bir Zeit and not at an Israeli university too," he said.

"I asked them if they could find any government in the world that likes the things I say," Chomsky said.

SNIP

150 Daniel Ballard  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:54:30am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Excellent.

151 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:55:49am

The Palestinian Authority continues to use sporting events to glorify terrorists and present them as role models for children. This week, a football tournament named after terrorist Abu Jihad was sponsored by Fatah in a town near Jerusalem, while the lottery for another football tournament named after terrorist Abdallah Daoud took place in Bethlehem. In the Gaza Strip, a football tournament featured a team named after the terrorist Majed Abu Sharar.

A Fatah representative spoke at the "Shahid (Martyr) Abu Jihad tournament," and told the children that they should see the terrorist as a role model:

"He reminded our children that we shall follow the same path of Abu Jihad and Yasser Arafat."

Abu Jihad headed PLO's military wing, and was responsible for the deaths of dozens of Israeli civilians. Among other attacks, he directed the worst terror attack in Israel's history, in which 37 were killed in a bus hijacking.

SNIP

152 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:56:36am

re: #147 MandyManners
So the tolerant Canadians won't let him in but we will. Nice./

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:57:05am

re: #149 MandyManners

Renowned Jewish-American scholar and political activist Noam Chomsky said he was barred from entering Israel and the West Bank on Sunday to speak at a Palestinian university.

I am sure the extreme left will freak about this while trying to shut down righties speaking at American universities.

154 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:59:21am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am sure the extreme left will freak about this while trying to shut down righties speaking at American universities.

You better believe it. They'll talk about how 'bravely honest' Chomsky is while denouncing conservatives as 'fascists' and 'racists'. It'll be the usual BS.

155 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:59:35am

Alan Colmes
"There’s no such thing as radical Islam"


Youtube Video
156 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 6:59:41am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar
Of course. The Palis are peace loving people and just want to raise unicorns, while the ebil Zionist entity wants to enslave everyone to a global banking cabal.

157 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:00:58am

At least 35 people were killed after Maoist rebels blew up a bus carrying police and civilians in the central Indian state of Chhattisgarh on Monday, an official said.

Chhattisgarh Chief Minister Raman Singh told reporters in the state capital Raipur that the dead included 11 police personnel.

“Twenty-four civilians and 11 policemen have died and 15 persons including 14 police personnel were injured in the blast,” the chief minister said.

He said an unspecified number of bodies were still trapped in the mangled bus following the mine blast in Dantewada district, a Maoist stronghold where rebels ambushed and killed 75 policemen last month in the bloodiest massacre of security forces by the extremists.

SNIP

158 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:02:30am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan
So who is blowing up all those girls schools and such over there? Those darn Amish are evertwhere!

159 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:02:31am

Six Nato troops and 12 civilians were killed when a suicide car bomber rammed into an armoured convoy and detonated in the Afghan capital this morning, in one of the deadliest strikes in months.

Dozens more were wounded, including women and children, in the rush hour attack on Kabul which targeted Nato forces including US and Canadian troops. It left bodies strewn across the road and vehicles alight.

The attack took place in the peak of rush hour at 8.30am local time in the western outskirts of the city near a Nato base and the National Directorate of Security, the Afghan equivalent of M15.

SNIP

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:02:31am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

If you call Islam violent, I'll cut your fucking head off!!
//need I?

161 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:03:35am

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar
Nope. I guess Skeletor missed the huge hole where the Twin Towers were.

162 pingjockey  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:04:12am

Later folks, off to work.

163 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:04:31am

Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second, Smaller Mosque Near Ground Zero

As controversy surrounds the construction of a 13-story mosque just two blocks from Ground Zero, FOX News has learned that an effort to place a second mosque close to the hallowed site in New York City is in its advanced stages.

The Masjid Mosque has raised $8.5 million and is seeking an additional $2.5 million to begin construction. While it apparently has not settled on a final location, it has told donors it plans to build very close to where 3,000 people were killed in the September 11 terror attacks.

In fact, the website appealing for donations boldly states that it plans to “build the 'House of Allah' next to the World Trade Center. Help us raise the flag of 'LA ILLAH ILLA ALLAH' in downtown Manhattan."

One source said he believed the planners are considering a five-story building on 23 Park Place, closer to Ground Zero than the 13-story mosque the Cordoba Initiative is planning to build. But a tax record search shows that 23 Park Place is in private hands and has not changed owners since 2008.

Unlike the massive $100 million Cordoba House mosque, the Masjid Mosque is small – and it is no stranger to the neighborhood. Since 1970 it had been located at 12 Warren Street, about four blocks north of the World Trade Center, in a neat but nondescript industrial space that once housed a printing shop. It lost its lease in 2008 when the building was sold, and it was evicted from its second-floor prayer space on May 25 of that year. Since then it has been operating out a cramped basement space in a nearby building at 20 Warren Street.

On Friday evenings the mosque, which is popular with street vendors and taxi drivers, becomes so crowded that worshipers spill onto nearby sidewalks to pray in what has come to be a community event.

164 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:04:57am

The initial call arrived from one of the guard towers. A Soldier noticed a crowd of locals gathering around a vehicle at the front gate of this outpost.

They seemed agitated. Several members of the Afghan National Army cautiously walked the short distance to the end of the street where the car had come to an abrupt halt.

A minute later one of the Afghan soldiers relayed the situation back to the command post. An Afghan teenager had stepped on some kind of explosive. The blast had blown his right leg almost completely off, and he was laying in the back of the vehicle bleeding to death.

Without hesitation the members of 1st Platoon, Angel Company, 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment sprang into action, running to the scene to help. As the locals stood by, Soldiers gingerly pulled the boy, Zarbat Khan, out of the trunk and put him on the stretcher.

SNIP

Despite their skepticism of the circumstances of Khan’s wounds, Soldiers here erased any prejudice over friend and foe – he was a person who needed help.

“Was he planting an IED or did he just stumble on one?” one Soldier helping treat Khan wondered. “Sometimes you just don’t know.”

SNIP

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:05:39am

How's that Indy thing working for you, Charlie? (I hate polls)
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

166 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:07:20am

Boycott these bastards.

Attorney General Andrew Cuomo is expected to file a lawsuit Tuesday against a national electronics retailer that his office says ripped off soldiers at military bases across the country through a costly financing scheme.

In a letter dated May 10, Cuomo’s staff alerted Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Army Secretary John McHugh of the pending lawsuit against SmartBuy, based in Fayetteville, N.C., and several of its affiliates nationwide.

The lawsuit will seek restitution for military members in New York. Also, in the letter Cuomo aims to alert federal officials about what his office estimates may be thousands of military members who were allegedly duped by SmartBuy and its stores near military bases in at least a half-dozen states, including New York, Texas, California and Georgia.

In March, Cuomo sent a letter to SmartBuy about his intent to sue the company because of a store it set up near Fort Drum, N.Y. Thousands of victims may have been impacted at Fort Drum, his investigation found, at a cost of more than $4 million in recent years.

Cuomo’s letter alleges that the company targets active members of the service by enrolling them in costly loan agreements on computers and other electronics. Cuomo said the company has stores near other military bases, including near Fort Bragg, N.C.; Fort Hood, Texas; and Fort Carson, Colo.

SNIP

When notified of the impending suit, SmartBuy shut down its operations at a strip mall in Watertown, N.Y., a few weeks later. In 2008, the state of Tennessee was awarded $10.8 million against an affiliate company, Rome Finance Company Inc. The company has been seeking bankruptcy protection in California.

SNIP

167 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:08:26am

Coast Guard: Tar balls recovered from Key West, Florida

(CNN) -- The Coast Guard and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration will conduct shoreline surveys in Key West, Florida, on Tuesday after tar balls were found on a beach there, officials said.

The Coast Guard said in a statement it responded to the Florida Park Service report of 20 tar balls on the beach at Fort Zachary Taylor State Park about 5:15 p.m. Monday.

"Park rangers conducted a shoreline survey of Fort Zachary Taylor and the adjacent Navy beach at Truman Annex and recovered the tar balls at a rate of nearly three tar balls an hour throughout the day, with the heaviest concentration found at high tide," the Coast Guard statement said.

Samples of the tar balls were sent to a laboratory for analysis to determine their origin. An aerial search of the area with a pollution investigator is also planned for Tuesday.

Although the source of the tar balls was unclear Tuesday, they could be an ominous sign that oil from a massive spill into the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Louisiana has spread south and east.

168 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:11:15am

re: #163 NJDhockeyfan

Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second, Smaller Mosque Near Ground Zero

This second mosque doesn't seem to be problem. It's been in the area for years. They need to tone down the rhetoric and it bears watching, but its construction does not pose a major issue in my eyes.

169 SteveC  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:11:35am

Ut-oh!
Bird Flu in the West Bank

NETANYA - Animal cases of avian flu in Bala village in the Tul Karem area of the West Bank, northeast of Tel Aviv, have been confirmed, and some 250,000 chickens culled, according to officials.

170 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:11:44am

History’s 10 Most Famous Oil Spills

Did you know that Exxon Valdez’s Captain, Joesph Hazelwood, never had his masters’ license revoked and it remains valid to this date?

To put the recent conviction of Cosco Busan’s pilot John Cota in perspective, here are ten of the world’s largest oil spills in which the pilot was not convicted of federal charges.

...

171 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:12:24am

re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fucking Amish...

How do you think they get more Amish?

172 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:12:58am

re: #140 pingjockey

Those darn Jooos!

How dare they try to protect themselves!

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:13:06am

re: #169 SteveC

Ut-oh!
Bird Flu in the West Bank

KFC couldn't be reached for comment....
//

174 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:13:21am

re: #166 MandyManners

Boycott these bastards.

Attorney General Andrew Cuomo is expected to file a lawsuit Tuesday against a national electronics retailer that his office says ripped off soldiers at military bases across the country through a costly financing scheme.

Go get 'em, Andy! Those who cheat our soldiers should be pounded on.

175 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:13:47am

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Insane. Reform of such laws is needed. Known terrorists like that should be deported regardless of what happens to them. I don't care if the Pakistani police shoot him dead on the tarmac, concerns for him should be irrelevant.

Are the Uighurs still in Bermuda?

176 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:15:24am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

I'd like to present him with a basket of tomatoes at one of his speeches. Naturally, the tomatoes would be given one at a time. >:D

Especially if he's wearing this.

Youtube Video
177 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:16:08am

re: #152 pingjockey

So the tolerant Canadians won't let him in but we will. Nice./

I'm wondering about that, too.

178 ghazidor  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:16:09am

Indiana congressman Mark Souder (R) will resign his congressional seat after an affair with a staffer came to light, he said in a statement this morning.

"It is with great regret I announce that I am resigning from the U.S. House of Representatives as well as resigning as the Republican nominee for Congress in this fall's election," said Souder.

"I sinned against God, my wife and my family by having a mutual relationship with a part time member of my staff," added Souder. "I am so shamed to have hurt those I love."

And another one bites the dust...sheesh, can't anyone in Washington just keep it in their pants?

179 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:17:03am

Mornin' everyone.

180 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:17:31am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Cost of Illegal Immigration Rising Rapidly in Arizona, Study Finds

Exclusively given to Fox News because no other news organization would buy that bullshit.

181 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:17:37am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am sure the extreme left will freak about this while trying to shut down righties speaking at American universities.

And, pro-Israeli speakers such as Dore Gold.

182 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:17:53am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

Alan Colmes
"There’s no such thing as radical Islam"

[Video]

Fucking tool.

183 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:19:18am

re: #180 darthstar

Exclusively given to Fox News because no other news organization would buy that bullshit.

Great! You got a link to the 'real' numbers?

184 SteveC  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:19:57am

Arrrgh! Gotta go smack someone - airline changed my flights on me. Got to go straighten this mess out.

Good day to everyone!

185 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:20:12am

Now, a fatwa against birthday celebration!


In a fresh fatwa, Islamic seminary Darul Uloom Deboand has said that Islam does not permit celebrating birthdays.

Responding to a query posed by a woman, the country's biggest Islamic seminary observed that the tradition to celebrate birthdays was started by the Jews and Christians, but Islam does not permit this practice.

The Darul Uloom Deoband has in recent days issued edicts declaring that working in banks and opting for an insurance policy was against the tenets of Islam, sparking a debate. The seminary had also decreed that it was illegal according to the Sharia or Islamic law for a woman to work and for a family to accept a woman's earnings.

186 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:20:19am

re: #167 Varek Raith

Coast Guard: Tar balls recovered from Key West, Florida

THE OIl IS NOT IN THE LOOP CURRENT! THE OIL IS NOT IN THE LOOP CURRENT! IT'S JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET! OUR CATHETER TRICK IS WORKING! /bp mode off.

Tar balls. How many miles from the well head is Key West?

187 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:20:32am

re: #184 SteveC

Arrrgh! Gotta go smack someone - airline changed my flights on me. Got to go straighten this mess out.

Good day to everyone!

Bring a thermal detonator.

188 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:20:48am

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

This second mosque doesn't seem to be problem. It's been in the area for years. They need to tone down the rhetoric and it bears watching, but its construction does not pose a major issue in my eyes.

I'm still looking into the Cordoba Institute and Feisal Abdul Rauf. There's some bad stuff about it and him out there.

189 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:21:31am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Go get 'em, Andy! Those who cheat our soldiers should be pounded on.

Don't forget the pay-check loan racket.

190 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:21:32am

Anyone wanna help me out with my predicament in #61?

191 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:21:55am

re: #187 Varek Raith

Bring a thermal detonator.

Overkill, thy name is Varek. ;)

192 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:22:23am

re: #186 darthstar

THE OIl IS NOT IN THE LOOP CURRENT! THE OIL IS NOT IN THE LOOP CURRENT! IT'S JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET! OUR CATHETER TRICK IS WORKING! /bp mode off.

Tar balls. How many miles from the well head is Key West?

~450 miles.

193 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:22:30am

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

Now, a fatwa against birthday celebration!

There is no fun in Islam.

BTW, don't they celebrate the "martyrdom" of splodey-dopes?

194 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:24:30am

re: #190 laZardo

Anyone wanna help me out with my predicament in #61?

Switch to Indy. Other than that, I got nothin'.

195 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:25:40am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am sure the extreme left will freak about this while trying to shut down righties speaking at American universities.

Nah...Chomsky was barred from entering the occupied territories by Israel because he had said they're acting like apartheid-era South Africa. Their keeping him from speaking supported that accusation. Israeli officials apparently said that he could speak if he filled out the approriate paperwork and went through the application process. Chomsky said he wouldn't do that.

There's nothing there to protest. Chomsky made a nasty comment, and the Israeli government (not the Israeli people) validated it.

196 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:25:58am

re: #188 MandyManners

I'm still looking into the Cordoba Institute and Feisal Abdul Rauf. There's some bad stuff about it and him out there.

I don't doubt it. The very name seems aimed at Islamic revaunchism towards Spain. These are different mosques with different purposes. The smaller one has long record in the community and should be allowed, as its purpose is indeed normal religious observance. The "Cordoba Institute"'s mosque should not be permitted, as it is more about erecting an Islamic edifice near Ground Zero.

197 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:26:13am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Overkill, thy name is Varek. ;)

So a handheld nuclear fusion grenade's a bit much?

198 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:26:23am

re: #192 Varek Raith

~450 miles.

fuck...we're going to need a bigger bale of hay

199 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:26:27am

OT and primarily for Thanos if he's reading along.

If you use the new LGF bookmarklet to make your LGF Pages links then you get your own page for each article you post. It seems you are still using the old style where the link title points directly to the related article rather than to it's own LGF discussion page, like the one Charles has for each post.

Example: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You may already know this and prefer to have the discussions on your own blog but I thought it was a cool feature and I just wanted to pass it along since you post so many good links. Peace.

200 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:26:40am

re: #188 MandyManners

Like the way he's condemned all forms of violent jihad?

201 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:26:55am

re: #197 Varek Raith

So a handheld nuclear fusion grenade's a bit much?

You could blow a finger off with one of those things.

202 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:28:00am

Imagine the reaction if a newspaper hired a former National Rifle Association employee to cover a gun control referendum. Or if a former Goldman Sachs trader was offered by a television network as an objective journalist on financial reform.

Even those who agreed with the journalist's point of view would have to acknowledge the appearance of a conflict of interest.

Something similar may be happening when it comes to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a group federal law enforcement views with suspicion at best. In three separate instances in less than a month, reporters working for national news organizations have written stories compatible with CAIR's agenda without acknowledging their personal histories with the group. In two of the three cases, the reporter had been a full-fledged CAIR employee. In the third, the reporter had received a CAIR scholarship while a student.

Whether the cases are a matter of coincidence, they fit with an ambition outlined by CAIR co-founder and executive director Nihad Awad. During the 2005 Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) conference, Awad described the significance of getting more Muslims into mainstream journalism jobs:

SNIP

203 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:28:09am

re: #190 laZardo

Anyone wanna help me out with my predicament in #61?

We got our booklets and stuff but haven't really looked at them yet. We aren't Republicans either so personally I'm not a lot of help but this article may:

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

204 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:28:34am

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I don't doubt it. The very name seems aimed at Islamic revaunchism towards Spain. These are different mosques with different purposes. The smaller one has long record in the community and should be allowed, as its purpose is indeed normal religious observance. The "Cordoba Institute"'s mosque should not be permitted, as it is more about erecting an Islamic edifice near Ground Zero.

Quite concur.

205 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:30:59am

It was a scene Saudi women’s rights activists have dreamt of for years.

When a Saudi religious policeman sauntered about an amusement park in the eastern Saudi Arabian city of Al-Mubarraz looking for unmarried couples illegally socializing, he probably wasn’t expecting much opposition.

But when he approached a young, 20-something couple meandering through the park together, he received an unprecedented whooping.

A member of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, the Saudi religious police known locally as the Hai’a, asked the couple to confirm their identities and relationship to one another, as it is a crime in Saudi Arabia for unmarried men and women to mix.

For unknown reasons, the young man collapsed upon being questioned by the cop.

According to the Saudi daily Okaz, the woman then allegedly laid into the religious policeman, punching him repeatedly, and leaving him to be taken to the hospital with bruises across his body and face.

POW

206 abolitionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:31:54am

OT: Nuclear Option for Oil Spill? -Foxnews video link
Arrrgh!

207 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:33:11am

Militants from Al-Qaeda linked Somali insurgent group Al-Shabab on Monday executed a man in Somalia after he was condemned to death by a Sharia court in Mogadishu. The victim, Mohammed Hashi Siad, 34, was caught in the past few days by Islamist militants in the district of Abdel Aziz, on the north side of the Somali capital.

He was immediately sent before Sheikh Omar, head of the Al-Shabab's Islamic court, and found guilty of espionage.

He reportedly confessed to spying for the transitional government and being sent to the rebel held territory where he was discovered.

According to the local news website 'Mareg', his body was dumped in the street.

SNIP

208 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:35:04am

re: #163 NJDhockeyfan
From the Masjid Website:

OUR MASJID NEEDS YOUR URGENT HELP!
Help Us Replace What We've Lost.
On May 25th 2008 our Masjid was evicted and forced to vacate the building which it occupied for the last 28 years. By the mercy of Allah, we found a small temporary location just two doors down the street from the old location and Alhamdullillah we did not have to close the Masjid. This new rental space is extremely small and it only has room for 20% of our members during Jummah. The rest of the members have to pray on the sidewalk outside the Masjid and are not able to listen to the Khutbah.
We, the members of the Board and the Committee, are working very hard to find a proper location to relocate the Masjid to. We ask every brother and sister to make sincere duas to Allah-Subhanahu-wa-tala to help us and to make it easy for us. We also plead to those who are financially able, to help us by donating or by giving us a Qardhan hassanan (Islamic loan).
Insha’Allah, hand to hand we will build our Masjid riba free and in accordance to the Islamic Shariah. Insha'Allah we will raise the flag of La-Illaha-Illa-Allah in downtown Manhattan very soon!
"Help us build the House of Allah and He will build one for you in Jannah"
[Link: www.masjidmanhattan.com...]

Ya gotta love the strict devotion to Shariah and the call to raise the flag of Islam over Manhattan.
*gag*

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:35:12am

A member of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, the Saudi religious police known locally as the Hai’a, asked the couple to confirm their identities and relationship to one another, as it is a crime in Saudi Arabia for unmarried men and women to mix.

Then how the fuck are you supposed to get married? And don't give me the arranged wedding bullshit. Idiots.

210 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:35:56am

Somalia, which has been without a functioning government for almost two decades, serves as a warning for what could happen to other failed states. Rival Islamic militias battle for control of the capital, where the president, Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, is in constant danger of his life. A visit to the worst place on the planet.

Dealers in the Somali capital Mogadishu are now selling cartridges for Kalashnikovs at 37 cents apiece. The price has dropped by almost half in recent weeks, probably because there is already a lot of ammunition in the city. Mukhtar Ainashe knows this. He steps on the gas and the large SUV he is driving shoots off.


Ainashe is an intellectual. He reads American philosophers like Thoreau and Emerson, he studied in Norway and, until recently, he made a good living working for the World Bank in Washington. He has a wife and two young children in the United States, and he has a passion for expensive watches. In fact, Ainashe is completely out of place in Africa's dirtiest war.

He drives the vehicle furiously across the unforgiving terrain, a former road now pockmarked with grenade craters. The SUV skids through the gravel and bounces along over rocks, its axles making cracking noises, past the ruins of bullet-riddled houses, which shimmer in the sun like the bleached bones of dead animals in the desert.

SNIP

211 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:36:42am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

First paragraph from Mandy's #205. My bad.

212 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:36:54am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

From the Masjid Website:


Ya gotta love the strict devotion to Shariah and the call to raise the flag of Islam over Manhattan.
*gag*

Wow. Good find.

213 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:38:29am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Do you understand the word 'in' does not mean what the word 'over' means, especially in reference to flag-raising?

214 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:41:29am

Leaders of a leftist party said Monday they won't form an alliance with President Hugo Chavez's governing party for September congressional elections because of the socialist leader's uncompromising attitude.

The announcement by Fatherland For All - a longtime member of a pro-Chavez coalition - is a setback for the president's Unified Socialist Party of Venezuela in its effort to strike deals with other pro-government parties to avoid fielding too many candidates and dividing the pro-Chavez vote against a unified opposition.

"It's impossible to reach an election alliance," Jose Albornoz, secretary general of Fatherland For All, said.

Albornoz cited what he called Chavez's "aggressions and criticism" directed at leaders of Fatherland For All, which has been gradually distancing itself from the president but continues to tentatively support him.

The squabbling between Chavez and Fatherland For All began in March, after Lara state Gov. Henri Falcon broke ranks with the governing party and joined its increasingly independent ally. Falcon is popular in Lara, where he served two consecutive terms as the mayor of the state capital and was elected governor by a comfortable margin in 2008.

Since then, more than a dozen members of Chavez's party have followed Falcon's example, boosting confidence within Fatherland For All as it prepares to field candidates. The party hopes to expand on the five seats it holds in the 167-seat assembly.

Hector Navarro, a close Chavez confidant, said at a news conference that Fatherland For All is no longer on the governing party's "list of allies."

SNIP

215 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:43:11am

re: #214 MandyManners

Since when did the Fatherland become associated with (non-National) Socialism?

216 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:44:23am

It's almost midnight at a roadside bar on the outskirts of Havana as young Cubans gather to listen to hip-hop. A man with dreadlocks steps up, microphone in hand, to a roar of approval from a crowd of 150 fans. "I'm not going to turn my back on reality, even if they censor and repress me," he chants to a driving beat, as the eager audience, which knows every word, sings along. "Days go by and I'm still locked up, censored. They look at me like a renowned dissident, rejected by the media."

The two-man Cuban rap group Los Aldeanos can sell songs on iTunes to followers abroad, but in Cuba they remain an underground band that has been playing mostly unadvertised gigs at unauthorised venues for seven years. They rap about prostitution, police harassment, social inequality and corruption, delicate issues rarely raised by Cuban musicians in the socialist state born of Fidel Castro's 1959 revolution.

Cuba's communist authorities say their anti-establishment songs are too critical and cannot be played on Cuban radio, that are all state-run, or sold in the shops. The band has no access to Cuba's record labels either. Their 20 albums were recorded in a friend's makeshift studio, two miles from downtown Havana.

Los Aldeanos was formed in 2003 by Aldo Rodriguez and elementary-school teacher Bian Rodriguez. The rappers have become the abrasive voice of a disaffected generation of politically numbed Cubans who grew up during Cuba's post-Soviet economic crisis of the 1990s.

SNIP

The official Cuban news agency AIN recently accused them of "hypercriticism" and being the latest tool of Cuba's foes. "Our enemies make no distinction between mercenaries and naive, irresponsible people who disagree. Anyone is good as long as they sing the counterrevolutionary music," it said.

SNIP

217 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:45:46am

re: #215 laZardo

Since when did the Fatherland become associated with (non-National) Socialism?

I've been wondering about that, too. Some in the higher echelons of the military don't agree with it, either.

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:46:17am

Uh, bet this won't end up as a Super Bowl ad...
[Link: wbztv.com...]

219 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:46:47am

re: #215 laZardo

Since when did the Fatherland become associated with (non-National) Socialism?

That could be a Latin American thing-- a "motherland" doesn't fit too well with macho culture. Just a wild guess, of course.

I remember back when people thought Chavez was just another minor corrupt dude. He really doesn't seem that charismatic to me, I'm always surprised by the level of popular support he's received. Nothing like populism and blaming the opposition for every single problem in the country.

220 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:48:07am

re: #215 laZardo

Since when did the Fatherland become associated with (non-National) Socialism?

Fatherland is a term used in more than one country. The leftist party using it means it the context of the nation providing for all. They're a non-violent socialist bunch, from what I can see.

221 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:48:12am

Protestando.

Youtube Video

AAAYIEEE!

222 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:48:47am

re: #213 Obdicut

Do you understand the word 'in' does not mean what the word 'over' means, especially in reference to flag-raising?

You are in pedant mode this morning, I see. I'm surprised you even admit that they intend to "raise" their Shariah flag at all.
BTW do any other mainstream religions have their own flags that they seek to raise in, over, under, around or beside any geographical area?
Perhaps you should consider the implications of Shariah and 'La ilah illa Allah' in the context of the flag comment.
[Link: quranicteachings.co.uk...]

223 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:50:29am

The government can indefinitely hold inmates considered "sexually dangerous," even after their prison terms are complete, the Supreme Court ruled Monday.

The justices voted 7-2 to reverse the 4th Circuit's ruling the Congress overstepped its authority in passing the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, which authorizes the civil commitment of sexually dangerous federal prisoners.

Signed by George W. Bush in 2006, the law was meant to protect the public from offenders who, if released, have "serious difficulty in refraining from sexually violent conduct or child molestation."

"The statute is a 'necessary and proper means of exercising the federal authority that permits Congress to create federal criminal laws, to punish their violation, to imprison violators, and to provide appropriately for those imprisoned and to maintain the security of those who are not imprisoned but may be affected by federal imprisonment of others," Justice Stephen Breyer wrote.

Under the law, if the attorney general presents "clear and convincing" evidence that a detainee is sexually dangerous, the inmate can be held until he is no longer a risk to others.

SNIP

224 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:51:14am

re: #45 sagehen

70 years ago, Los Angeles had a world-class public transportation system. An electric light rail network throughout the basin, with connecting buses. Somebody insisted it would be more efficient/better run as a privately owned/operated enterprise, convinced the city council to sell it to a for-profit company.

That company turned out to be a shell corporation owned by General Motors, Standard Oil, Firestone Tire and Phillips Petroleum. They paved over the tracks, poured concrete into the tunnels, and boy did they ever sell a lot of cars and tires and gas to people who still needed to get from point A to point B. Great return on investment for them. And it cost the taxpayers a bundle to buy back land and rebuild a network half a century later.


Oh, dear God. Are you really peddling that conspiracy theory as fact?

In that case, allow me to retort:

Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?
Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with 'is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken!"

225 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:51:49am

I'm out for a bit. Back in about a hour.

226 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:52:33am

re: #221 MandyManners

Protestando.


[Video]AAAYIEEE!

VIVA LA (contra?)REVOLUCION!

/no se habla ;_;

227 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:52:47am

Speaking of perverts,...

THE Vatican says that it cannot be held responsible for the day-to-day actions of Catholic bishops in America, as it scrambles to prevent the Pope from being called to give evidence in a landmark abuse case.

The argument will be made in a case brought by three Kentucky men who claim that they were abused by priests decades ago. The men - one of whom received compensation from the Archdiocese of Louisville under a previous court settlement - are claiming negligence by the Vatican. Their lawyer is trying to make the case a class-action suit on behalf of all US victims of sex abuse by priests and wants to force Pope Benedict XVI to testify.

The Vatican insists that it is not liable for any negligence by US Catholic bishops. Jeffrey Lena, the Vatican's US lawyer, said yesterday that US bishops were not employees of the Holy See, did not act on Rome's behalf and were not controlled day-to-day by the Pope. The Holy See denied that it had barred US bishops from reporting sex abuse by priests.

SNIP

228 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:53:26am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

How's that Indy thing working for you, Charlie? (I hate polls)
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

dang...

229 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:54:00am

re: #226 laZardo

VIVA LA (contra?)REVOLUCION!

/no se habla ;_;

I hope the rest of their stuff is better. Maybe it's a youth thing.

Man, it sucks getting old.

230 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:54:38am

re: #224 Aceofwhat?

The Colonel? I thought The King replaced him.

231 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:54:42am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

A member of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, the Saudi religious police known locally as the Hai’a, asked the couple to confirm their identities and relationship to one another, as it is a crime in Saudi Arabia for unmarried men and women to mix.

Then how the fuck are you supposed to get married? And don't give me the arranged wedding bullshit. Idiots.

I read an article in National Geographic a few years ago about courtship in Saudi Arabia. Young people exchange contact information by driving by night spots and tossing little balled up pieces of paper with phone numbers through car windows. Referrals occur through friends and family. Instead of dates, they bond through text messages, pictures, and voice chat. Meetings occur on the sly, and all of this goes on under the noses of the religious police.

232 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:55:14am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

I'm surprised you even admit that they intend to "raise" their Shariah flag at all.

Why?

BTW do any other mainstream religions have their own flags that they seek to raise in, over, under, around or beside any geographical area?

Well, first of all, flags are pretty much metaphorical devices all on their own. Second:

[Link: hu-hu.facebook.com...]
[Link: www.navigators.org...]
[Link: www.frontline.org.za...]

And flags are actually pretty important in Buddhism, and yeah, they do have a universal flag:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Perhaps you should consider the implications of Shariah and 'La ilah illa Allah' in the context of the flag comment.

La ilah illa Allah is basically the first commandment, so I'm not sure why that's spooking you. And do you seriously think that they're going to, I dunno, take over Manhattan and force the local courts to use Shariah law? What are you actually scared of?

233 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:55:37am

Graphic booklet sent home with Portland schoolkids shocks parents

Joe Alvaro's 10-year-old son generally knows what sex is.

But the Southeast Portland father wasn't prepared for the questions from his son after the boy finished classes a week ago at Llewellyn Elementary School. Among them: What's sodomy?

Turns out the fourth-grader came across the term, as well as descriptions of sexual abuse and other crimes in a 24-page comic-style booklet put together by the Portland Police Bureau and handed out to all the students, kindergarten through fifth grade, at Llewellyn.

The "Operation Safe Summer" brochure, distributed annually through Portland Public Schools to all district schools, mostly includes information about summer programs for children at the Oregon Zoo, Portland Parks and Recreation and other activities.

But this year, the Police Bureau included a new feature on the back page, which shows a buxom female superhero trumpeting "Measure 11 An Oregon Law." The sheet includes a listing of crimes, such as manslaughter, unlawful sexual penetration and sodomy, that could cause juveniles ages 15 or older to be tried as adults. It also explains some violations, such as "Sexual Abuse 1: You are baby-sitting (sic) or playing with a small child. You have sexual contact with them by touching their penis, vaginal area, or anus, or by making them touch you in those same places. You will go to prison and could be there for 6 years and 3 months."

Alvaro said his son was confused about what the information and the words meant.

"He wasn't sure if they were saying he could go to jail about just the whole concept of touching somebody else," he said. "These are all new concepts for him."

234 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:56:04am

re: #231 Liberal Classic

I read an article in National Geographic a few years ago about courtship in Saudi Arabia. Young people exchange contact information by driving by night spots and tossing little balled up pieces of paper with phone numbers through car windows. Referrals occur through friends and family. Instead of dates, they bond through text messages, pictures, and voice chat. Meetings occur on the sly, and all of this goes on under the noses of the religious police.

I do the same thing, but I tie the paper to a brick. Maybe that's where I fuck it up.
/

235 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:56:25am

re: #231 Liberal Classic

I read an article in National Geographic a few years ago about courtship in Saudi Arabia. Young people exchange contact information by driving by night spots and tossing little balled up pieces of paper with phone numbers through car windows. Referrals occur through friends and family. Instead of dates, they bond through text messages, pictures, and voice chat. Meetings occur on the sly, and all of this goes on under the noses of the religious police.

Sounds like a perfectly normal way to meet chicks.

236 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:56:41am

Heh..."family values" Republican Representatitive Mark Souder resigning after his affair with a staffer hit the light of day (IN ALL CAPS!)

"IT IS WITH GREAT REGRET I ANNOUNCE THAT I AM RESIGNING FROM THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, AS WELL AS RESIGNING AS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR CONGRESS IN THIS FALL’S ELECTION.

I BELIEVE IT IS THE BEST DECISION FOR MY FAMILY, THE PEOPLE OF NORTHEAST INDIANA, AND OUR COUNTRY.

I WILL SUBMIT MY RESIGNATION TO SPEAKER PELOSI EFFECTIVE THIS FRIDAY.

more all caps to be found here

237 Olsonist  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:57:29am

re: #224 Aceofwhat?

GM was convicted of criminal conspiracy in the case.

238 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:57:56am

re: #223 MandyManners

The government can indefinitely hold inmates considered "sexually dangerous," even after their prison terms are complete, the Supreme Court ruled Monday.

We can hold sexual perverts indefinitely but not terrorists.

239 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:58:01am

82nd Airborne Division gets jiggy.


Youtube Video
240 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 7:58:18am

re: #230 laZardo

The Colonel? I thought The King replaced him.

He's dead, Jim.

241 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:00:16am

re: #201 darthstar

You could blow a finger off with one of those things.

he'll shoot his eye out...

242 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:00:31am

re: #240 MandyManners

He's dead, Jim.

Oh.

Well then, there's only one other contender.

Youtube Video
243 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:00:39am

re: #235 Spare O'Lake

Sounds like a perfectly normal way to meet chicks.

Isn't it, though? Despite all the religious police crap, people still find a way to flirt and date.

244 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:01:44am

re: #231 Liberal Classic

I read an article in National Geographic a few years ago about courtship in Saudi Arabia. Young people exchange contact information by driving by night spots and tossing little balled up pieces of paper with phone numbers through car windows. Referrals occur through friends and family. Instead of dates, they bond through text messages, pictures, and voice chat. Meetings occur on the sly, and all of this goes on under the noses of the religious police.

Don't stand in the way of the biological imperative.

245 laZardo  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:01:47am

Headin to bed. Grandma's funeral in the morning. Nighty.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:01:58am

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17. That matches the lowest rating earned by the president since the passage of his health care proposal two months ago (see trends).

Fifty-five percent (55%) would like to see an immigration law like Arizona’s for their own state.

247 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:02:10am

re: #232 Obdicut

La ilah illa Allah is basically the first commandment, so I'm not sure why that's spooking you. And do you seriously think that they're going to, I dunno, take over Manhattan and force the local courts to use Shariah law? What are you actually scared of?

I'm not scared of anything.
This seems to be a rather fundamentalist mosque which wants to maintain and expand its Shariah foothold in Manhattan. Pardon me if I find this less than wonderful.
What's spooking you?

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:02:40am

re: #61 laZardo

Evening honcos!

As I may have mentioned the previous evening, I received my absentee ballot for the 2010 California elections in the mail. It was then that I remembered that I am still registered as a Republican in California.

After curling up and sobbing for a few minutes, I figured I might as well attempt to kick out the Tea Party before I head to the US Embassy and switch to Green. I just need to figure out which candidates aren't Tea Partiers...

Vote for Damon Dunn, that's all you need to know...he's running against Orly Taitz.

Also, he seems like a perfectly nice and capable man, but that's not the important part.

249 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:02:47am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

Graphic booklet sent home with Portland schoolkids shocks parents

Kindergarten???

250 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:03:15am

re: #234 Cannadian Club Akbar

I do the same thing, but I tie the paper to a brick. Maybe that's where I fuck it up.
/

ROFLMAO!

251 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:03:24am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

You are in pedant mode this morning, I see. I'm surprised you even admit that they intend to "raise" their Shariah flag at all.
BTW do any other mainstream religions have their own flags that they seek to raise in, over, under, around or beside any geographical area?
Perhaps you should consider the implications of Shariah and 'La ilah illa Allah' in the context of the flag comment.
[Link: quranicteachings.co.uk...]

meh. the preposition makes a big difference to me, too. they've had a mosque there for years without causing a ruckus, right? isn't this just a call for donations for a replacement?

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:03:37am

re: #68 Taqyia2Me

CT Senate candidate Blumenthal made up Vietnam service?
Harvard not able to confirm he was on their swim team?
A politician lied, go figure...

Lying about military service is un-OK. This guy is a shanda.

253 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:03:43am

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

We can hold sexual perverts indefinitely but not terrorists.

Hold'em all, sez I.

254 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:04am

re: #245 laZardo

Headin to bed. Grandma's funeral in the morning. Nighty.

(((laZardo)))

255 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:38am

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

How is a mosque whose Imam rejects all violent jihad 'fundamentalist'? On what grounds do you call them 'fundamentalist', especially in a world with such true, insane Islamic fundamentalism?

What is a 'shariah foothold'? It sounds scary and all, but what does it actually mean?

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:53am

re: #74 rwdflynavy

Woody Allen says President Obama should be granted dictatorial powers

I have no words...

I do. Woody Allen is a pathetic freak WITHOUT a tail.

Or he's been watching Rome too much.

257 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:05:05am

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Lying about military service is un-OK. This guy is a shanda.

Que?

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:05:46am

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

I do. Woody Allen is a pathetic freak WITHOUT a tail.

Or he's been watching Rome too much.

My reaction was a bit different. But you'll see that.:)

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:05:51am

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Lying about military service is un-OK. This guy is a shanda.

A shitty panda?

260 mkelly  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:06:45am

"a new record global temperature, for the period with instrumental measurements, should be set within the next few months as the effects of the recent and current moderate El Nino continue."

Quote above from NASA. Note El Nino is the culprit.

261 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:06:46am

re: #255 Obdicut

How is a mosque whose Imam rejects all violent jihad 'fundamentalist'? On what grounds do you call them 'fundamentalist', especially in a world with such true, insane Islamic fundamentalism?

What is a 'shariah foothold'? It sounds scary and all, but what does it actually mean?

Mississippi must be a Confederate stronghold then.
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262 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:07:13am

re: #223 MandyManners

The government can indefinitely hold inmates considered "sexually dangerous," even after their prison terms are complete, the Supreme Court ruled Monday.

At the risk of being portrayed "soft on crime" or "soft on sexual predators" I am uncomfortable with this ruling. If the problem is that the sentences are too short, then legislatures need to act to lengthen the prison terms or add extra monitoring after release. I am not comfortable with the idea of incarceration for an indefinite amount of time based on an evaluation of "dangerousness". I recognize that recidivism is high for some of these crimes, but this is the wrong answer to the problem. Once a sentence has been fulfilled, a convicts debt to society has been paid. While there are permanent consequences to felony convictions, traditionally completion of a prison term means that person is free to enter society. If someone is still a danger to society, then that should have been reflected in the sentence. This strikes me as being too close to an ex post facto law. I admit there is a problem, and something should be done about recidivism in sex crimes, but this is the wrong answer.

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:07:35am

re: #89 Taqyia2Me

Radical fundamentalist Amish?

They may share the same genes, if not the same outlook on life. You've got a couple of different sets of anti-Semites running around that part of the world.

264 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:08:22am

re: #251 Aceofwhat?

meh. the preposition makes a big difference to me, too. they've had a mosque there for years without causing a ruckus, right? isn't this just a call for donations for a replacement?

Maybe, but I find Sharia law grossly undemocratic and misogynistic, and that is what this mosque is peddling. So excuse me if I oppose it.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:08:28am

re: #101 SteveC

Good morning! And Good News!

Gabriella came out of surgery at about 5:30 AM Eastern time. She's doing well and so is her new heart!

That's wonderful! All the best to her, her family, and that of the donor.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:08:43am

re: #262 Liberal Classic

I'm thinking death penalty for the really bad ones. Rape a child under 10? You're dead.

You scare the SCOTUS? You're a dead man.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:09:38am

OT... Good morning y'all.

268 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:09:59am

re: #255 Obdicut

They are the ones who are peddling Shariah on their site...ask them.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:10:09am

re: #111 pingjockey

Why are the majority of pols so dumb? Some asshat congress critter was or did tout his VN service. Turns out, he got 5 deferments and served in the Marine reserves but never got near VN. Hey! Pols, we have search engines now and can fact check yer ass! Some other nimnod, ran on 'family values' and had an affair with a staffer.

My mother commented about Rekers, 'why don't these guys just introduce the young man as their nephew and move on? Isn't that what people used to do?'

Yes, it was, before you could find the young man's ad on the Internet.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:10:12am

re: #260 mkelly

Bratty kid.

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:10:33am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT... Good morning y'all.

WTF is that suppose to mean?
/

272 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:10:59am

re: #237 Olsonist

GM was convicted of criminal conspiracy in the case.

seriously? you think that's material?

they were convicted of conspiracy to monopolize the SALES of their components to a subsidiary company. IIRC, the directors of the companies were each fined $1.

booga-booga!!

there was no conviction of an ACTUAL monopoly, nor did this eeevil Pentavirate Rothschildish UFO shell corporation subvert our precious streetcars, our precious bodily fluids, or any other precious resource.

273 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:11:03am

re: #260 mkelly

Was wondering when your type would show up.
:P

274 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:13:24am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm thinking death penalty for the really bad ones. Rape a child under 10? You're dead.

Sure, so long as due process is fulfilled, I would not be opposed to capital punishment for certain child sex crimes, and life without parole for others. It is the notion of "dangerousness" warranting additional incarceration after a prison term is complete without a trial that bothers me. I can't think of a less sympathetic criminal, but the rule of law exists to protect all of us, including the worst of us e.g. child rapists and mass murderers.

275 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:14:34am

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

I'm not scared of anything.
This seems to be a rather fundamentalist mosque which wants to maintain and expand its Shariah foothold replace its mosque in Manhattan. Pardon me if I find this less than wonderful.
What's spooking you?

i made that statement more factual, right?

276 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:15:45am

re: #260 mkelly

we know the difference between weather and climate.

277 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:15:48am

re: #268 Spare O'Lake

They are the ones who are peddling Shariah on their site...ask them.

That's very weak of you. You're making the accusation that they're fundamentalist. You're completely unable to back that up. All you are saying is that these Muslims follow Shariah law, which is true of all Muslims. Shariah is, also, interpreted differently by different sects of Muslims. It's "God's Law". By presenting Shariah as a unified concept, you're being disingenuous.

Unless you can show that these people adhere to a concept of Shariah that brings them into conflict with US law, all you're really saying is these Muslims attempt to be good Muslims according to their own beliefs.

278 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:15:57am

re: #231 Liberal Classic

I read an article in National Geographic a few years ago about courtship in Saudi Arabia. Young people exchange contact information by driving by night spots and tossing little balled up pieces of paper with phone numbers through car windows. Referrals occur through friends and family. Instead of dates, they bond through text messages, pictures, and voice chat. Meetings occur on the sly, and all of this goes on under the noses of the religious police.

We use to do that in NYC, but all we had to do was throw a balled up 100 dollar bill out the window, drive around the block and come back and pick up our date.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:16:15am

re: #133 SteveC

Oh, you wanna really have a blast call the Amish IT Support Department!

"Is there ink in the pen? All right, I can wait while you check."

280 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:16:50am

re: #275 Aceofwhat?

i made that statement more factual, right?

They are openly peddling Shariah on their site. Ignore at your peril.

281 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:17:51am

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

I do. Woody Allen is a pathetic freak WITHOUT a tail.

Or he's been watching Rome too much.

I don't use this word often but I fucking HATE Woody Allen's child molesting, untouchabley rich ass. HATE, HATE, HATE. HATE, HATE, HATE. LOATH ENTIRELY!

282 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:18:02am

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

"Is there ink in the pen? All right, I can wait while you check."

Actually, the Amish have an amazing variety of pneumatic machines.

[Link: www.kk.org...]

Not to mention looking cool on rollerblades.

Image: klein_amish_skater_scharf.jpg

283 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:18:18am

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Lying about military service is un-OK. This guy is a shanda.

He blamed it on....ready for it?

Republicans!

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee communications director Eric Schultz put the blame for the story on Republicans and, in particular, former World Wrestling Entertainment executive Linda McMahon who is running for the GOP nod.

"Its no surprise Republicans would want to smear Dick Blumenthal, considering all of the debauchery at [WWE] under Linda McMahon's watch," said Schultz.

Here is a video...

Youtube Video
284 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:19:40am

re: #275 Aceofwhat?

i made that statement more factual, right?

Yes, but 'shariah foothold' sounds so much more ominous...especially to those who have no idea what the hell it means. Soon, the hookers in NYC will all be wearing burqas and the crack dealers will all be wearing robes and sandals...in January! Christians will be sent to live in New Jersey, and Jews will have to hide like scared puppies. Oh, and the pavement in Manhattan will all be replaced by dirt roads and bits of rubble...and there will only be intermittent electricity.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:20:08am

re: #171 MandyManners

How do you think they get more Amish?

Also, if you don't have TV...

286 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:20:15am

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Here is a video...


[Video]

He can blame it on whoever he wants but he's a lying, non-serving misinformation hound who has no one to blame but himself. A true insult to our current and past veterans.

287 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:20:26am

re: #260 mkelly

"a new record global temperature, for the period with instrumental measurements, should be set within the next few months as the effects of the recent and current moderate El Nino continue."

Quote above from NASA. Note El Nino is the culprit.

Link?

288 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:20:37am

re: #264 Spare O'Lake

Maybe, but I find Sharia law grossly undemocratic and misogynistic, and that is what this mosque is peddling. So excuse me if I oppose it.

i also oppose attempts to draw misogynistic conclusions from the Bible. but just as with Christianity, not all muslims use their religion as a pretext to withhold precious rights from their women. since this mosque has been there for a while, i'm unconcerned about their attempt to remain.

do you know that they privately advocate a very misogynistic brand of Islam, or are you simply assuming?

289 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:20:49am

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Claiming service when you have not served is indefensible. He should withdraw immediately and apologize to the voters.

He didn't serve in Vietnam. He said he did. Case closed.

290 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:20:51am

re: #277 Obdicut

That's very weak of you. You're making the accusation that they're fundamentalist. You're completely unable to back that up. All you are saying is that these Muslims follow Shariah law, which is true of all Muslims. Shariah is, also, interpreted differently by different sects of Muslims. It's "God's Law". By presenting Shariah as a unified concept, you're being disingenuous.

Unless you can show that these people adhere to a concept of Shariah that brings them into conflict with US law, all you're really saying is these Muslims attempt to be good Muslims according to their own beliefs.

Shariah Law is anti-democratic and misogynistic.
Your apologetic, cowardly and dhimmified stance is what is weak.

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:21:50am

Congressman Douche.
[Link: www.politico.com...]

292 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:22:10am

re: #290 Spare O'Lake

Calling another poster a coward is kind of harsh, don't you think?

293 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:22:12am

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan


"Its no surprise Republicans would want to smear Dick Blumenthal, considering all of the debauchery at [WWE] under Linda McMahon's watch," said Schultz.

Dick Blumenthal apologized for misspeaking, I don't see what all the dust up is about. It seems to me that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is correct, since this is getting a lot of coverage in the wingnut blogosphere.

You can't deny that?

294 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:22:47am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

A member of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, the Saudi religious police known locally as the Hai’a, asked the couple to confirm their identities and relationship to one another, as it is a crime in Saudi Arabia for unmarried men and women to mix.

Then how the fuck are you supposed to get married? And don't give me the arranged wedding bullshit. Idiots.

Eh, it shouldn't be a legal matter, but there a million Chasidim in New York alone who follow similar social patterns.

295 MKelly  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:23:21am

re: #276 Aceofwhat?

we know the difference between weather and climate.

So you agree then that the headliner of "What Global Warming?" is misleading.

296 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:23:23am

re: #262 Liberal Classic

did you actually read the opinion in its full text?

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:23:40am

Ever felt like this?

298 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:23:50am

re: #290 Spare O'Lake

Shariah Law is anti-democratic and misogynistic.
Your apologetic, cowardly and dhimmified stance is what is weak.

Personally, I look forward to the days when Sharaiah law is enforced and all I have to do is go out in the street with all the other men and hold my sandal in the air and dance...I just need to work on that facial hair thing. I really do like being clean shaven.

And nobody ever calls me dhimmified...fuck you Obdicut, for getting the good insults.

299 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:24:34am

re: #284 darthstar

Yes, but 'shariah foothold' sounds so much more ominous...especially to those who have no idea what the hell it means. Soon, the hookers in NYC will all be wearing burqas and the crack dealers will all be wearing robes and sandals...in January! Christians will be sent to live in New Jersey, and Jews will have to hide like scared puppies. Oh, and the pavement in Manhattan will all be replaced by dirt roads and bits of rubble...and there will only be intermittent electricity.

And taxi drivers will refuse to give a ride to blind people with working dogs.

300 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:25:03am

re: #262 Liberal Classic

At the risk of being portrayed "soft on crime" or "soft on sexual predators" I am uncomfortable with this ruling. If the problem is that the sentences are too short, then legislatures need to act to lengthen the prison terms or add extra monitoring after release. I am not comfortable with the idea of incarceration for an indefinite amount of time based on an evaluation of "dangerousness". I recognize that recidivism is high for some of these crimes, but this is the wrong answer to the problem. Once a sentence has been fulfilled, a convicts debt to society has been paid. While there are permanent consequences to felony convictions, traditionally completion of a prison term means that person is free to enter society. If someone is still a danger to society, then that should have been reflected in the sentence. This strikes me as being too close to an ex post facto law. I admit there is a problem, and something should be done about recidivism in sex crimes, but this is the wrong answer.

"Some"? More like "all".

That said, it was a 7-2 decision with Thomas and Scalia dissenting due to the fact that this is not the jurisdiction of the federal government.

States should pass this kind of law ahead of/right behind new laws to reset the penalties.

Keep these bastards locked away forever.

301 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:25:11am

re: #290 Spare O'Lake

Oh whatever, dude. You're basically simply objecting to Islam as a whole, by talking about them 'peddling sharia'. Sharia is how Muslims are supposed to live their lives, according to what they believe god wants. This is not different from other religions.

For you to say that I'm a 'dhimmi' for not being outraged that a religion is proselytizing their religion and wants their members to live according to what they think of is their law is your typical reactionary bullshit.

As for coward: that insult doesn't even fit. You're trying to argue I'm ignorant, suddenly wading in with an accusation of cowardice out of nowhere-- especially when I'm actually moving to manhattan-- is eye-rollingly silly of you.

302 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:25:48am

re: #292 Liberal Classic

Calling another poster a coward is kind of harsh, don't you think?

Yes it is.
Political correctness is cowardice, however.

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:25:52am

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

I'm not scared of anything.
This seems to be a rather fundamentalist mosque which wants to maintain and expand its Shariah foothold in Manhattan. Pardon me if I find this less than wonderful.
What's spooking you?

I'm not crazy about these folks, but I don't understand how they have a 'Shariah foothold' in Manhattan. How do you have a Shariah foothold anywhere outside a Muslim community?

304 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:26:09am

re: #295 MKelly

So you agree then that the headliner of "What Global Warming?" is misleading.

nope. it's addressed to the folks who thought that the past few years of non record-breaking temperatures implied a refutation of basic AGW theory.

follow?

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:26:10am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Yeah. I didn't see him when I was in Nam.

*blink*

306 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:26:11am

re: #296 Aceofwhat?

No, I haven't. I've only read second hand, news articles, etc.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:26:57am

re: #257 MandyManners

Que?

Yiddish for 'scandal'. In this case, also with the implication that he's an embarassment for other Jews.

308 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:27:00am

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Here is a video...

[Video]

Stupid, lying bastard didn't blame it on Bush?

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:27:08am

re: #300 MandyManners

Why not dead?

310 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:27:43am

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, if you don't have TV...

Every night's a black-out!

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:27:54am

re: #264 Spare O'Lake

Maybe, but I find Sharia law grossly undemocratic and misogynistic, and that is what this mosque is peddling. So excuse me if I oppose it.

How do you feel about halacha?

312 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:27:58am

Are: #299 Spare O'Lake

And taxi drivers will refuse to give a ride to blind people with working dogs.

Sorry, but you cannot simultaneously make ignrant paranoid fear mongering statements and then mock those same statements as if you get the joke of which you are the butt.

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:28:26am

re: #268 Spare O'Lake

They are the ones who are peddling Shariah on their site...ask them.

Peddling to whom?

314 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:28:32am

re: #312 darthstar

The o in ignorant is there...it's just silent (and invisible)

pimf

315 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:28:56am

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Dick Blumenthal apologized for misspeaking, I don't see what all the dust up is about. It seems to me that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is correct, since this is getting a lot of coverage in the wingnut blogosphere.

You can't deny that?

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

316 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:29:03am

re: #302 Spare O'Lake

Yes it is.
Political correctness is cowardice, however.

political correctness = not wanting to make overbroad, sweeping generalizations?

you keep using that word...idon'tthinkitmeanswhatyouthinkitmeans...

317 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:29:15am

re: #294 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh, it shouldn't be a legal matter, but there a million Chasidim in New York alone who follow similar social patterns.

Do they get arrested?

318 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:29:24am

re: #302 Spare O'Lake

Calling someone a coward is fighting words. Is it not sufficient just to say you think he's 100% wrong on the issue?

319 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:29:46am

The 'persistent' randy kangaroo terrorising women in small Australian town

A kangaroo that is looking for love in all the wrong places is terrorising women in a small Australian country town.

The amorous animal has been spotted around the Honeymoon Ranges in Tennant Creek, in the Northern Territory, making every effort to woo a woman.

One resident told the local newspaper that she was walking along a bike trail when she realised she was being followed by the randy roo early one morning.

She said: 'I turned around and saw this big kangaroo behind me, so I hastened my steps.

'It seemed a bit odd, but I continued walking and didn't think much about it.

'Then on the return walk he was there waiting for me. With his male pride on full alert, he started circling me.

'There was no doubt about what he wanted, the randy old thing.

'It was a huge kangaroo and quite intimidating. I yelled at him to go away, waved my hands about and let him know I wasn't interested, but he was persistent - I'll give him that.'

The woman said it only bounded off when other walkers approached.

320 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:29:56am

re: #288 Aceofwhat?

Why are you unable to even say the word Sharia in your comment?
Look on their website - they don't hesitate to plug it.

321 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:30:09am

re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist

Yiddish for 'scandal'. In this case, also with the implication that he's an embarassment for other Jews.

And everyone else!

322 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:30:55am

Nap time. BBIAB.

323 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:31:05am

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why not dead?

Some could argue that it would violate the Eighth Amendment.

324 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:32:19am

re: #260 mkelly

"a new record global temperature, for the period with instrumental measurements, should be set within the next few months as the effects of the recent and current moderate El Nino continue."

Quote above from NASA. Note El Nino is the culprit.

The quote from USA Today also states that it is the result of the combined effects of El Niño and global warming. If you had bothered to click on the link they provide you would have found the NASA quote you cite and the full summary is stated as:

We conclude from these data that a new record global temperature, for the period with instrumental measurements, should be set within the next few months as the effects of the recent and current moderate El Nino continue. This new record temperature will be particularly meaningful because it occurs when the recent minimum of solar irradiance ([Link: www.pmodwrc.ch...] is having its maximum cooling effect.

The reality of continued global warming contrasts sharply with a frequently heard assertion that the world has been in a cooling trend for the past decade or at least "global warming stopped in 1998." Of course it is possible to find almost any trend for a limited period via judicious choice of start and end dates, but that is not a meaningful exercise. In a wiser assessment, Solomon et al. [2009] write "the trend in global surface temperature has been nearly flat since the late 1990s despite continuing increases in the forcing due to the sum of the well mixed greenhouse gases." But is even that assertion correct?

Climate trends can be seen clearly if we take the 60-month (5-year) and 132-month (11- year) running means, as shown in Figure 21 for data through January 2010. The 5-year mean is sufficient to minimize El Nino variability, while the 11-year mean also minimizes the effect of solar variability. We conclude that there has been no reduction in the global warming trend of 0.15-0.20°C/decade that began in the late 1970s.

Current GISS Global Surface Temperature Analysis
J. Hansen, R. Ruedy, M. Sato, and K. Lo
NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, New York, New York, USA

That's the full context if you had bothered to take the time to follow the link.

325 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:32:50am

re: #306 Liberal Classic

No, I haven't. I've only read second hand, news articles, etc.

it's a great place to start. no one writes like SCOTUS justices.

go to scotuswiki.com.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:33:02am

re: #299 Spare O'Lake

And taxi drivers will refuse to give a ride to blind people with working dogs.

Not the ones who plan to make a good living.

327 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:33:54am

Lol@religion.
*Activates flame shield*

328 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:34:00am

re: #301 Obdicut

Yeah, whatever, man. I'm not objecting to Islam as a whole. I love moderate Islam. It's Sharia Law that I dislike because it is misogynistic and anti-democratic. You sound like the Archbishop of Canterbury with your whitewash of Shariah.

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:34:15am

re: #302 Spare O'Lake

Yes it is.
Political correctness is cowardice, however.

It's not 'politically correct' to refuse to get hysterical about some idea that religious Muslims abide by Muslim law.

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:34:36am

re: #323 MandyManners

Some could argue that it would violate the Eighth Amendment.

Then they would be glad I am not a Judge.

331 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:36:03am

re: #328 Spare O'Lake

As SFZ wisely asked, what do you think of Halakha?

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:36:47am

re: #317 MandyManners

Do they get arrested?

For breaking the rules? No, but they can be shunned pretty badly by the community.

As I said, it shouldn't be a legal matter. I think the new-wave fundamentalist craziness is bad enough as is in Judaism, with secular states keeping everything calm.

333 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:37:10am

re: #320 Spare O'Lake

Why are you unable to even say the word Sharia in your comment?
Look on their website - they don't hesitate to plug it.

Shariaaa...sharia (sing it in your head to the tune of traditionnn...tradition)

It's like a church. One bible...lots of different interpretations. People who encounter some bad churches and then make sweeping generalizations about Christianity are idiots.

You don't want to be an idiot, do you?

Granted, there are more bad mosques than bad churches...i'm willing to just put that statement out there into the ether without any corroborating evidence other than common sense, but still. I like to wait to hear it from the church themselves before i decide whether i think they're true Scotsmen or not...so i take the same approach to mosques.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:37:26am

re: #320 Spare O'Lake

Why are you unable to even say the word Sharia in your comment?
Look on their website - they don't hesitate to plug it.

Sharia! Sharia! Sharia!

335 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:37:27am

re: #318 Liberal Classic

Calling someone a coward is fighting words. Is it not sufficient just to say you think he's 100% wrong on the issue?

Actually, I said his position was cowardly but I did not call him a coward. You are the one who mistakenly said I did.

336 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:37:32am

re: #327 Varek Raith

Lol@religion.
*Activates flame shield*

but...we can't hug with your flame shield on...

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:38:46am

re: #328 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, whatever, man. I'm not objecting to Islam as a whole. I love moderate Islam. It's Sharia Law that I dislike because it is misogynistic and anti-democratic. You sound like the Archbishop of Canterbury with your whitewash of Shariah.

Are you under the impression that 'moderate Islam' operates without Sharia? It's a legal system central to Islam, not a special bell or whistle added only by the radicals.

338 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:39:25am

re: #324 Gus 802

you're ruining my rope-a-dope, friend Gus;)

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:39:48am

re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

Sharia! Sharia! Sharia!

I just met a code called Sharia!!

340 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:40:21am

re: #335 Spare O'Lake

Actually, I said his position was cowardly but I did not call him a coward. You are the one who mistakenly said I did.

I just don't get what's 'cowardly' about his position. He disagrees with you, and he said why.

341 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:41:22am

re: #308 MandyManners

Stupid, lying bastard didn't blame it on Bush?

Give him time, this story just broke.

342 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:43:05am

re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist

Are you under the impression that 'moderate Islam' operates without Sharia? It's a legal system central to Islam, not a special bell or whistle added only by the radicals.

exactly. i like to think of myself as a "sensible, logical Christian" but i still read the Bible with great frequency. and mine sorta reads the same way as the Michigan Militia Bibles...

Spare, you have to wait for a Church to tell you what THEY think their central tenets ought to mean in daily life.

Don't worry. The misogynists can't keep their mouths shut. We can figure it out without this enormous blanket...

343 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:43:06am

re: #335 Spare O'Lake

Actually, I said his position was cowardly but I did not call him a coward. You are the one who mistakenly said I did.

"political correctness is cowardice"

344 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:43:28am

re: #336 Aceofwhat?

but...we can't hug with your flame shield on...

Muhahahahacoughhackwheezehahaha

345 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:43:55am

re: #338 Aceofwhat?

you're ruining my rope-a-dope, friend Gus;)

Sorry. ;) I just got up and saw that comment from MKelly and decided to investigate further. I'm pretty sure MKelly is on a mission and decided to leave out the full quote from the NASA report.

Sound bytes I tells ya'!

346 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:44:43am

Screw moderate Islam. Where is liberal Islam? I'm will waiting for our first openly gay Imam.

347 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:44:44am

re: #341 NJDhockeyfan

Give him time, this story just broke.

ROVE, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:45:24am

re: #346 Liberal Classic

Screw moderate Islam. Where is liberal Islam? I'm will waiting for our first openly gay Imam.

That should be Irshad Manji!

349 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:45:31am

re: #345 Gus 802

Sorry. ;) I just got up and saw that comment from MKelly and decided to investigate further. I'm pretty sure MKelly is on a mission and decided to leave out the full quote from the NASA report.

Sound bytes I tells ya'!

i'm sure he's on that mission, too, but i like letting them swing until they're out of breath...and then i come off of the ropes...

350 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:45:31am

re: #346 Liberal Classic

Screw moderate Islam. Where is liberal Islam? I'm will waiting for our first openly gay Imam.

Wouldn't he have to hang himself from a crane?

351 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:46:23am

re: #350 MandyManners

Wouldn't he have to hang himself from a crane?

or from a skyhook...

352 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:46:28am

re: #342 Aceofwhat?

Also, by the standards of Western secular democracy, most religions-- like Orthodox Judaism-- are 'misogynist', with different roles for women and men, clothing restrictions, etc.

Hell, in Thai Buddhism there's a prayer women say nearly every day that basically is, "I hope my karma becomes great enough that I'm reborn as a man."

Newsflash: Most religions were codified in much more misogynistic times and their rules and traditions reflect that.

353 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:48:16am

Matthews: Obama Needs to 'Nationalize' Oil Industry!

Last week an agitated Chris Matthews tried to hold Dick Cheney accountable for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and this week Matthews is demanding action from President Obama, as the Hardball host pushed the President to nationalize the oil industry to solve the problem. On Monday's Hardball a visibly angry Matthews demanded Obama go after BP: "Why doesn't the President go in there, nationalize an industry and get the job done for the people?" and pointed out that in China they would have a much harsher response to BP: "They execute people for this. Major industrial leaders that commit crimes like this."

Matthews even took aim at the entire capitalist system, as over video of the oil slick, he sarcastically mocked: "Everybody says 'Capitalism is great. Unbridled free enterprise is great.' Look at it! This is great, isn't it?!"

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:49:01am

re: #352 Obdicut

Also, by the standards of Western secular democracy, most religions-- like Orthodox Judaism-- are 'misogynist', with different roles for women and men, clothing restrictions, etc.

Hell, in Thai Buddhism there's a prayer women say nearly every day that basically is, "I hope my karma becomes great enough that I'm reborn as a man."

Newsflash: Most religions were codified in much more misogynistic times and their rules and traditions reflect that.

Observant Jewish men thank God daily for having made them men.

I swear, there are people out there who know nothing else about Judaism who learned this in Feminism 101, and will never forget it, or get over it.

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:51:51am

Why I am a Protestant.

Exhibit One.

356 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:51:59am

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm pretty damn glad I was born male. I enjoy being six feet tall and I like having a booming baritone, which would probably be a negative if I was a woman.

357 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:52:41am

re: #355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why I am a Protestant.

Exhibit One.

You're not a freaking Protestant Jedi, are you?!?!

358 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:52:58am

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

Matthews: Obama Needs to 'Nationalize' Oil Industry!

Why doesn't that ignorant fucker move to China?

359 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:53:31am

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

Observant Jewish men thank God daily for having made them men.

I swear, there are people out there who know nothing else about Judaism who learned this in Feminism 101, and will never forget it, or get over it.

They get to have a brit milah. Isn't that special?

360 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:53:41am

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

Observant Jewish men thank God daily for having made them men.

I swear, there are people out there who know nothing else about Judaism who learned this in Feminism 101, and will never forget it, or get over it.

Observant Jewish men? Shoot, I thank God daily for making me a man. I know damn well how much shit women have to put up with, that I don't.

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:02am

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

I do thank God I was born a man.

Being a woman has a whole lot of ickiness too it. Birth and Menses and waxing and ... well... whole lot of "Ouch!" in womanhood.

362 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:03am

re: #358 MandyManners

Well, if BP really is limited to $75 million in damages, there is going to be an absolutely unprecedented anti-corporate shitstorm. Because in this case, you see, a corporation was evil.

363 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:30am

Report Claims Nixon Prevented Soviet Nuclear Attack On China In 1969

A new report from China says that President Nixon intervened to prevent an imminent Soviet nuclear attack on China when the two nations were at each others throats in 1969:

The Soviet Union was on the brink of launching a nuclear attack against China in 1969 and only backed down after the US told Moscow such a move would start World War Three, according to a Chinese historian.

The extraordinary assertion, made in a publication sanctioned by China’s ruling Communist Party, suggests that the world came perilously close to nuclear war just seven years after the Cuban missile crisis.

Liu Chenshan, the author of a series of articles that chronicle the five times China has faced a nuclear threat since 1949, wrote that the most serious threat came in 1969 at the height of a bitter border dispute between Moscow and Beijing that left more than one thousand people dead on both sides.

He said Soviet diplomats warned Washington of Moscow’s plans “to wipe out the Chinese threat and get rid of this modern adventurer,” with a nuclear strike, asking the US to remain neutral.

But, he says, Washington told Moscow the United States would not stand idly by but launch its own nuclear attack against the Soviet Union if it attacked China, loosing nuclear missiles at 130 Soviet cities. The threat worked, he added, and made Moscow think twice, while forcing the two countries to regulate their border dispute at the negotiating table.

He quotes Soviet ministers and diplomats at the time to bolster his claim.

364 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:09am

re: #358 MandyManners

Why doesn't that ignorant fucker move to China?

You linked to newsbusters... there's no truthful news at that site, they made that up...

365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:20am

re: #362 Obdicut

Well, if BP really is limited to $75 million in damages, there is going to be an absolutely unprecedented anti-corporate shitstorm. Because in this case, you see, a corporation was evil.

They have too way too much to lose to cap at $75,000,000.

They'll pay out the ass, and they'll spend a lot of money telling us that they enjoyed writing every check.

We'll have to watch and see.

366 Reginald Perrin  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:51am

Another "family values" Republican bites the dust

Indiana Republican Rep. Mark Souder says he’ll resign from Congress effective Friday over an affair with a staffer.

Souder says in a statement provided by his office Tuesday that he has “sinned against God, my wife and my family by having a mutual relationship with a part-time member of my staff.”

The irony meter exploded....
.As a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Congressman Mark Souder was one of the only voices speaking in defense of abstinence education

367 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:57:02am

re: #363 NJDhockeyfan

Interesting if true, and a possible factor leading to Nixon's 1972 visit to China normalizing relations?

368 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:57:28am

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do thank God I was born a man.

Being a woman has a whole lot of ickiness too it. Birth and Menses and waxing and ... well... whole lot of "Ouch!" in womanhood.

Yeah...us men just want to enjoy the packaging, we don't want to know how it got there. :)

369 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:57:34am

re: #358 MandyManners

Why doesn't that ignorant fucker move to China?

He's a jackass.

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:57:46am

re: #366 Reginald Perrin

Do these people have any self-control whatsoever?

371 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:58:19am

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do these people have any self-control whatsoever?

Well you know abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.

372 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:58:22am

re: #369 cliffster

He's a jackass.

You believe what was at that link? That was newsbusters, that's like they make that shit up.. Matthews never said anything like that.

373 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:58:53am

re: #352 Obdicut

Also, by the standards of Western secular democracy, most religions-- like Orthodox Judaism-- are 'misogynist', with different roles for women and men, clothing restrictions, etc.

Hell, in Thai Buddhism there's a prayer women say nearly every day that basically is, "I hope my karma becomes great enough that I'm reborn as a man."

Newsflash: Most religions were codified in much more misogynistic times and their rules and traditions reflect that.

Absolutely. It's understood amongst non-psychotic Christians that Paul is not speaking of subjugation in Corinthians when he's talking about "head covering". Sure reads like it, though, and lots of people still think it means that women should wear hats just because that'll show them their place...

374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:59:06am

re: #371 PT Barnum

Well you know abstinence makes the heart grow fondlers.

375 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 8:59:43am

re: #374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a toothache which improved my love life.

Abcess made the heart grow fonder

376 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:00:30am

re: #375 PT Barnum

A long dry spell is prone to causing priapism, as well.


Abstinence makes the frond grow harder.

377 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:01:15am

re: #372 Walter L. Newton

You believe what was at that link? That was newsbusters, that's like they make that shit up.. Matthews never said anything like that.

Walter! How are ya, you old curmudgeon you?

378 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:01:25am

re: #366 Reginald Perrin

Another "family values" Republican bites the dust

The irony meter exploded...
.As a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Congressman Mark Souder was one of the only voices speaking in defense of abstinence education

At least he didn't impersonate a Vietnam vet to gain votes.

379 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:01:35am

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #311 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, I'm not ignoring you. As usual, you ask the right questions.
1. In England, the fundie Muslims are seeking to have Shariah law officially recognized and given legal force, and are supported in their efforts by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
2. Halacha has some really ridiculous stuff in it. My favourite example is the prohibition against sleeping on your stomach because this could cause forbidden physical sexual stimulation.
3. On their website they encourage their readers to "become an Ambassador of Allah and spread the word to your community".

380 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:11am

re: #356 Obdicut

I'm pretty damn glad I was born male. I enjoy being six feet tall and I like having a booming baritone, which would probably be a negative if I was a woman.

yep. and i'd be worse at tennis and golf. i may be skinnier than you, but i still pack more muscle than the average girl, and i like it that way...

381 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:32am

re: #373 Aceofwhat?

And then in the black Protestant tradition, the size and magnificence of your hat is directly correlated with how godly you are.

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
382 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:48am

re: #373 Aceofwhat?

Absolutely. It's understood amongst non-psychotic Christians that Paul is not speaking of subjugation in Corinthians when he's talking about "head covering". Sure reads like it, though, and lots of people still think it means that women should wear hats just because that'll show them their place...

There is absolutely no way to get around the misogyny that appears in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, it's a knight-jump exercise in futility to try to "explain" it otherwise. The whole social milieu of those times (and up to our times) is replete with a misogynist bent. Only fools try to say otherwise.

383 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:03:10am

Honcos, I need your help. I received this letter from a Foundation in LA, announcing their "brand new project" and soliciting my support.

Well, this "brand new project" of theirs also happens to be a project I digitized 10 years ago, and turned into a searchable database. I'm pretty sure that they just expect me to donate it to them just out of the patriotic goodness of my heart.

How do I explain that I should be compensated for the hundreds of hours work that I put into this, and also how do I prevent them from ripping me off?

384 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:03:38am

re: #379 Spare O'Lake

re: #311 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, I'm not ignoring you. As usual, you ask the right questions.
1. In England, the fundie Muslims are seeking to have Shariah law officially recognized and given legal force, and are supported in their efforts by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
2. Halacha has some really ridiculous stuff in it. My favourite example is the prohibition against sleeping on your stomach because this could cause forbidden physical sexual stimulation.
3. On their website they encourage their readers to "become an Ambassador of Allah and spread the word to your community".

Doesn't sound all that different from evangelicals.
1) Dominionists.
2) No dancing
3) Proselytizing evangelism.

385 Reginald Perrin  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:05:15am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

At least he didn't impersonate a Vietnam vet to gain votes.

No he didn't, but according to Wikipedia it turns out this holy roller was also a chicken-hawk, Souder applied for non-combatant status during the Vietnam War on religious grounds.

386 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:06:12am

re: #383 Alouette

Seriously, and I mean this, write to Dershowitz and call him. He is good people, and I bet that he'll guide you in the right direction.

If not him, try Nathan Lewin.

387 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:06:16am

re: #362 Obdicut

Well, if BP really is limited to $75 million in damages, there is going to be an absolutely unprecedented anti-corporate shitstorm. Because in this case, you see, a corporation was evil.

even if they tried to keep it to their maximum liability, their actual liability is

(total cleanup costs) + (75million in related punitive damages to affected parties)

which is still much better than 75million TOTAL damages.

not that it stopped several different democratic congressmen from faraway states from misstating the fact...but hey...they're just trying to catch up to the AGW republicans.

(i hate it when my political house is 99% glass...makes the sarcasm less fun...)

388 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:06:23am

re: #372 Walter L. Newton

You believe what was at that link? That was newsbusters, that's like they make that shit up.. Matthews never said anything like that.

ahem, yeah you're right. Anyways, Matthews is a jackass.

389 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:06:53am

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

There is absolutely no way to get around the misogyny that appears in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, it's a knight-jump exercise in futility to try to "explain" it otherwise. The whole social milieu of those times (and up to our times) is replete with a misogynist bent. Only fools try to say otherwise.

I don't disagree Walter, but I question whether we can apply our sensibilities to those historical cultures and truly call them misogynist. Misogyny strikes me as being something that is only present when there is another way present. I would call them opressive, but not necessarily misogynist.

390 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:06:54am

Saudi Woman Punches Religious Policeman Who Stops Her for Questioning

In a story the paper said was “all over the Saudi media,” the Post said the policeman spotted the couple as they strolled through the amusement park in the eastern Saudi Arabian city of Al-Mubarraz and asked them to confirm their identities and relationship to each other. It is a crime for unmarried men and women to mix in Saudi Arabia.

The man collapsed for unknown reasons when questioned by the cop, the Post reported.

But the woman allegedly began pummeling the officer, hitting him repeatedly until he had to be taken to the hospital with injuries to his face and body, the paper said, quoting the Saudi daily Okaz.

To see resistance from a woman means a lot,” Wajiha Al-Huwaidar, a Saudi women’s rights activist, told The Media Line news agency, the paper said. “People are fed up with these religious police, and now they have to pay the price for the humiliation they put people through for years and years. This is just the beginning and there will be more resistance.”

391 Digital Display  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:07:05am

re: #383 Alouette

Lawyer up!

392 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:07:34am

On Tuesday evening, May 11th, the crossroads of the world, better known as Times Square in Manhattan was the scene of a passionate display of fortitude as members of the Human Rights Coalition Against Radical Islam gathered for a rally to expose the existential perils that radical Islam represents to the Western world. Standing just a few blocks from the place where 30 year old Faisal Shahzad, the Pakistani born and Taliban trained American citizen attempted to detonate his vehicle filled with deadly explosives, the leaders of this rainbow coalition of activists sounded a clarion call as onlookers watched and listened.

Comprised of Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and ex-Muslims, the HRCARI is a nascent organization that champions the rights of those who have been victimized and slaughtered by Muslim extremists. Having staged its very first rally in Times Square in May of 2009, their ranks have swelled over the last year with those who are deeply concerned about the cultural indifference to the burgeoning growth of Islamic radicalism.

Charles Jacobs, a board member of the HRCARI and a writer for The Jewish Advocate in Boston said, "Our purpose here today is two-fold. We are here to send a clear message to the press and politicians who have intentionally obfuscated the nature of this most recent terrorist attempt by not labeling the enemy as radical Islam and acquiescing to political correctness. We are also here to educate the public about the pernicious agenda of those radical Islamists who would love nothing more than to obliterate our cherished values of democracy, freedom and liberty."

"The Western world is mired in self-doubt and self-guilt that has been imposed upon us by those post-modern forces on the left and in the sphere of academia who believe we are deserving of the animus of our enemies," he ruefully observed.

SNIP

"21st century Nazism is now tantamount to radical Islam" said Andrew Upton, a board member of HRCARI. "There is someone here today holding a sign saying, "Queers Against Radical Islam." We applaud this person for spotlighting the fact that gays and lesbians are considered worthy of death in Islamic countries as are women who are consistently victims of honor murders by male family members for attempting to divorce their husbands, for being raped, for not allowing themselves to be party to forced marriages and for purported violations of Sharia law," he said.

SNIP

393 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:07:35am

re: #387 Aceofwhat?

Ah, thank you. That was actually worrying the hell out of me-- I'd heard the misrepresentation. Thanks for correcting it.

Well, let's be very goddamn diligent in adding up every single one of those damages.

394 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:08:05am

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

There is absolutely no way to get around the misogyny that appears in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, it's a knight-jump exercise in futility to try to "explain" it otherwise. The whole social milieu of those times (and up to our times) is replete with a misogynist bent. Only fools try to say otherwise.

i'm up for some fun, if you are. what's your go-to misogynistic New Testament scripture for me to attempt to defend?

(excluding Revelations)

395 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:08:11am

re: #362 Obdicut

Well, if BP really is limited to $75 million in damages, there is going to be an absolutely unprecedented anti-corporate shitstorm. Because in this case, you see, a corporation was evil.

Doesn't justify killing the CEO.

396 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:08:18am

re: #389 PT Barnum

I don't disagree Walter, but I question whether we can apply our sensibilities to those historical cultures and truly call them misogynist. Misogyny strikes me as being something that is only present when there is another way present. I would call them opressive, but not necessarily misogynist.

Pick a word... patricharcal, misogynist what ever,

397 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:09:12am

re: #363 NJDhockeyfan

Report Claims Nixon Prevented Soviet Nuclear Attack On China In 1969

The Soviets blinked, again.

398 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:09:18am

re: #385 Reginald Perrin

No he didn't, but according to Wikipedia it turns out this holy roller was also a chicken-hawk, Souder applied for non-combatant status during the Vietnam War on religious grounds.

A lot of people did that. Mohammad Ali comes to mind. Some fled to Canada. They were cowards IMHO. Mark Souder is a scumbag just like all the other politicians who cheated on their families. But he didn't impersonate a Vietnam vet. That is stooping much lower.

399 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:09:25am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

You linked to newsbusters... there's no truthful news at that site, they made that up...

I did not link.

400 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:09:48am

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

Pick a word... patricharcal, misogynist what ever,

my only complaint about misogyny was that it implied a value judgement rather than a description of what was going on.

I prefer patriarchal, as it more accurately describes the actual situation, in my mind.

401 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:10:26am

re: #369 cliffster

He's a jackass.

The attorney representing Jackasses Global is on line two.

402 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:10:50am

re: #384 PT Barnum

Doesn't sound all that different from evangelicals.
1) Dominionists.
2) No dancing
3) Proselytizing evangelism.

i know lots of evangelicals. 90% of them are wonderful people that you wish were your neighbors.

1. what's a dominionist? i've never heard that word used by a christian.
2. riiight. that's just a dumb thing to say.
3. proselytizing - sure. that's what "evangelical" means. is it so terrible?

403 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:11:00am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

At least he didn't impersonate a Vietnam vet to gain votes.

ZING!

404 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:11:04am

re: #394 Aceofwhat?

i'm up for some fun, if you are. what's your go-to misogynistic New Testament scripture for me to attempt to defend?

(excluding Revelations)

Why would you want to defend the misogyny in the New Testament?

405 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:11:11am

re: #373 Aceofwhat?

Absolutely. It's understood amongst non-psychotic Christians that Paul is not speaking of subjugation in Corinthians when he's talking about "head covering". Sure reads like it, though, and lots of people still think it means that women should wear hats just because that'll show them their place...

And people like Spencer insist that any non-psychotic interpretation in Islam is just 'taqqiya', and dismiss it.

406 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:11:34am

re: #393 Obdicut

Ah, thank you. That was actually worrying the hell out of me-- I'd heard the misrepresentation. Thanks for correcting it.

Well, let's be very goddamn diligent in adding up every single one of those damages.

damned right. Again, the conservatives favorite ploy:

Privatize reward, socialize risk.

407 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:11:35am

Today's Alabama teaching innovation: Explaining the geometry of shooting the President.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

408 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:11:36am

re: #383 Alouette

Honcos, I need your help. I received this letter from a Foundation in LA, announcing their "brand new project" and soliciting my support.

Well, this "brand new project" of theirs also happens to be a project I digitized 10 years ago, and turned into a searchable database. I'm pretty sure that they just expect me to donate it to them just out of the patriotic goodness of my heart.

How do I explain that I should be compensated for the hundreds of hours work that I put into this, and also how do I prevent them from ripping me off?

Call a few IP attorneys!

409 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:12:49am

Great POV shot of guy hitting some jumps at Mammoth Park

Liveleak Video
410 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:12:56am

re: #395 MandyManners

Doesn't justify killing the CEO.

I don't believe in the death penalty, so I don't want to see anyone die for this, nor do I feel it would actually do any good. I also doubt the CEO really knew what was going on with this particular well. I do think that deliberately choosing an unsafe working method to save time and money is murder, however, when people die from it. When you send men to their deaths there should be some effect on you.

In addition, I feel that when we say "BP", it reveals the shifting nature of what a corporation is; we're talking about the decision-makers, the officers of the company, but aren't the owners of BP stock responsible for this as well? They owned stock in a company that has had a history of egregious environmental problems-- where is their responsibility? Why do we focus so much on the officers, and ignore the responsibility of ownership?

411 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:13:52am

re: #399 MandyManners

I did not link.

Video of Tingles here.

Flashback: "I Admit I'm Marxist When it Comes to my Analysis"

412 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:13:54am

re: #379 Spare O'Lake

re: #311 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, I'm not ignoring you. As usual, you ask the right questions.
1. In England, the fundie Muslims are seeking to have Shariah law officially recognized and given legal force, and are supported in their efforts by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
2. Halacha has some really ridiculous stuff in it. My favourite example is the prohibition against sleeping on your stomach because this could cause forbidden physical sexual stimulation.
3. On their website they encourage their readers to "become an Ambassador of Allah and spread the word to your community".

1. Given legal force in what sense? I keep hearing this, but what does it mean? Does the Archbishop of Canterbury actually want sharia to become civil law in Britain?
2. Great, but do you perhaps see my point?
3. MY GOD. I'm sure no Baptists in New York have ever had anything like that on their websites.

413 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:14:34am

re: #381 Obdicut

And then in the black Protestant tradition, the size and magnificence of your hat is directly correlated with how godly you are.


[Video]

yup. people of any ethnicity or origin who go to church to 'be seen' are directly contradicting what Jesus told them to do.

414 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:15:12am

re: #410 Obdicut

I don't believe in the death penalty, so I don't want to see anyone die for this, nor do I feel it would actually do any good. I also doubt the CEO really knew what was going on with this particular well. I do think that deliberately choosing an unsafe working method to save time and money is murder, however, when people die from it. When you send men to their deaths there should be some effect on you.

In addition, I feel that when we say "BP", it reveals the shifting nature of what a corporation is; we're talking about the decision-makers, the officers of the company, but aren't the owners of BP stock responsible for this as well? They owned stock in a company that has had a history of egregious environmental problems-- where is their responsibility? Why do we focus so much on the officers, and ignore the responsibility of ownership?

We stockholders need to make the executives aware of our concerns by continuing to raise hell at board meetings, through e-mail and by snail-mail.

415 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:15:17am

re: #385 Reginald Perrin

No he didn't, but according to Wikipedia it turns out this holy roller was also a chicken-hawk, Souder applied for non-combatant status during the Vietnam War on religious grounds.

He is a lover, not a fighter.

416 Digital Display  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:15:39am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Why would you want to defend the misogyny in the New Testament?

Seems like everyday you talk about the Scriptures here...
I read something in the Wall Street Journal today that reminded me of Walter.
militant atheist--the type of guy who claims not to believe in God but actually is just mad at God for not believing in him.

417 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:15:46am

re: #411 NJDhockeyfan

Video of Tingles here.

Flashback: "I Admit I'm Marxist When it Comes to my Analysis"

Just like Maxine "Socialize" Waters.

418 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:16:28am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Why would you want to defend the misogyny in the New Testament?

i want to take your best shot and see how i measure up. i know you know your stuff. i don't mean "defend" as in "ha, yeah, but it's ok that women are totally second-class"...i mean it as in "delving into the context of the verse under consideration".

make sense?

419 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:17:10am

re: #413 Aceofwhat?

I had a black Baptist woman tell me that Jesus was only talking to men when he said that, and that's why men should sit down and shut up at church. She had a very ur-feminist take on the Bible.

I loved living where I did in Chicago because I was near so many gospel churches. It was like that Onion headline:

Black Gospel Choir Makes Man Wish He Believed In All That God Bullshit

420 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:17:25am

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

Back in the day, Charles had a few threads about the creeping Sharia in Britain. I'll look for his threads as well as few links I picked up here.

421 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:17:25am

re: #402 Aceofwhat?

i know lots of evangelicals. 90% of them are wonderful people that you wish were your neighbors.

1. what's a dominionist? i've never heard that word used by a christian.
2. riiight. that's just a dumb thing to say.
3. proselytizing - sure. that's what "evangelical" means. is it so terrible?

Spare seems to think it is terrible, when practiced by Muslims.

422 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:17:26am

re: #415 SanFranciscoZionist

He is a lover, not a fighter.

Thanks for the image!
///∞

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:17:28am

re: #383 Alouette

Not ignoring you. Just don't have a solution or suggestion.

May I add to Hoosiers two cents?

Lawyer up fast.

424 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:17:54am

re: #408 MandyManners, Obdicut, HoosierHoops

Call a few IP attorneys!

I don't want to sue them, I would like to cooperate with them, but for fair compensation. We are both working with the same print book which is public domain, however I own the rights to the digitized version that I made in 1999. I am sure that whatever they plan to do with the public domain print book includes putting it into some digital format, in which case they can reinvent the wheel by just scan it all in again by hand (how much would that cost?) or they can pay for my already digitized format.

I want to negotiate with them first, not sic the lawyers.

425 Nervous Norvous  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:18:10am

re: #402 Aceofwhat?

i know lots of evangelicals. 90% of them are wonderful people that you wish were your neighbors.

1. what's a dominionist? i've never heard that word used by a christian.
2. riiight. that's just a dumb thing to say.
3. proselytizing - sure. that's what "evangelical" means. is it so terrible?

1)In a politico-religious context, dominionism (also called subjectionism[1]) is the tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians, especially in the United States, to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action. The goal is either a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.

2) How is it dumb? How many sects frown on dancing because it might lead to sexual intercourse? How many sects forbid all sorts of behavior. No difference in my mind.

3) Proselytizing also includes forcible conversion or not taking no for an answer.

My point was that Islam is no different than any other religious faith in wanting to impose its will on nonbelievers.

426 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:18:12am

re: #416 HoosierHoops

Seems like everyday you talk about the Scriptures here...
I read something in the Wall Street Journal today that reminded me of Walter.
militant atheist--the type of guy who claims not to believe in God but actually is just mad at God for not believing in him.

Right Hoops, why don't you go back up thread and see who or when and what the discussion of misogyny and Sharia law came up... they've been talking about it for an hour now, and you jump on me?

Bullshit.

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:18:13am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Walter? Did you see Alouette's 383?

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:18:19am

re: #407 Decatur Deb

Today's Alabama teaching innovation: Explaining the geometry of shooting the President.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Wowww.

I've never gotten that creative in the classroom.

429 S'latch  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:19:01am

I wonder if we could cool the planet by covering it with billions of gallons of crude oil.

On a related note, did you know that BP is a sponsor of the Scripps Institution CO2 program to measure carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere?

430 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:19:09am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not ignoring you. Just don't have a solution or suggestion.

May I add to Hoosiers two cents?

Lawyer up fast.

Agreed!

431 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:19:23am

re: #416 HoosierHoops

Seems like everyday you talk about the Scriptures here...
I read something in the Wall Street Journal today that reminded me of Walter.
militant atheist--the type of guy who claims not to believe in God but actually is just mad at God for not believing in him.

Fucking EXCUSEEEEEE MEEEEEEE for joining in the thread conversation.

432 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:19:44am

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

Wowww.

I've never gotten that creative in the classroom.

My physics teacher in HS had an exercise involving calculating bullet trajectories fired from Saddam during his speeches.
XD

433 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:19:45am

re: #410 Obdicut

In addition, I feel that when we say "BP", it reveals the shifting nature of what a corporation is; we're talking about the decision-makers, the officers of the company, but aren't the owners of BP stock responsible for this as well? They owned stock in a company that has had a history of egregious environmental problems-- where is their responsibility? Why do we focus so much on the officers, and ignore the responsibility of ownership?

heh. this is an interesting, different angle on the subject of stock ownership.

as someone who doesn't believe that common stock ownership affords one the right to make company decisions, i also believe that it shouldn't create liability. stockholders will lose value because the company did something bad...that's their penalty.

the officers and directors were responsible for doing this right, and they should bear the brunt. (excluding execution, mind you)

let it not be said that i blindly stick up for corporate officers;)

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:19:48am

re: #418 Aceofwhat?

i want to take your best shot and see how i measure up. i know you know your stuff. i don't mean "defend" as in "ha, yeah, but it's ok that women are totally second-class"...i mean it as in "delving into the context of the verse under consideration".

make sense?

Probably not, because Walter seems to see interpretation as cheating. He's a bit of a Biblical originalist.

435 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:10am

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

Wowww.

I've never gotten that creative in the classroom.

Looks like "no harm, no foul".

436 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:17am

re: #414 MandyManners

We stockholders need to make the executives aware of our concerns by continuing to raise hell at board meetings, through e-mail and by snail-mail.

The problem is many, many shareholders do not participate in the least, and, if they do, they are not real stakeholders; they are mutual funds, other corporations, et al. So the ownership is pushed away by a degree and the actions taken by the mutual fund might very well not actually be approved of by most of its owners, but since it's complicated and obfuscated, most people don't feel a sense of responsibility towards those corporations they own shares in.

It's not a good way to run a market, that's for sure. It leads inevitably to corporate irresponsibility which leads inevitably to government regulation which may or may not do any damn good at all.

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:22am

re: #430 reine.de.tout

Hiya toots!

438 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:28am

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? Did you see Alouette's 383?

Yes... I would have to have much more info to decided if they have any rights to this data...

439 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:32am

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

Fucking EXCUSEEE MEEE for joining in the thread conversation.

WTH? You are by no means a militant atheist.
:/

440 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:58am

re: #424 Alouette

I don't want to sue them, I would like to cooperate with them, but for fair compensation. We are both working with the same print book which is public domain, however I own the rights to the digitized version that I made in 1999. I am sure that whatever they plan to do with the public domain print book includes putting it into some digital format, in which case they can reinvent the wheel by just scan it all in again by hand (how much would that cost?) or they can pay for my already digitized format.

I want to negotiate with them first, not sic the lawyers.

You don't get the lawyer for the purpose of suing them
You get the lawyer for the purpose of negotiating with them.

He will know how to run the negotiations, and his participation on your behalf will carry more weight, simply because there will be, in the background, a threat of a suit if they don't cooperate with you in the same manner as you wish to cooperate with them.

441 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:21:05am

re: #416 HoosierHoops

*chortle*

442 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:21:10am

re: #383 Alouette

Honcos, I need your help. I received this letter from a Foundation in LA, announcing their "brand new project" and soliciting my support.

Well, this "brand new project" of theirs also happens to be a project I digitized 10 years ago, and turned into a searchable database. I'm pretty sure that they just expect me to donate it to them just out of the patriotic goodness of my heart.

How do I explain that I should be compensated for the hundreds of hours work that I put into this, and also how do I prevent them from ripping me off?

Email me... I would have to have much more info to decided if they have any rights to this data... but I've dealt with this before and I may be able to offer some advice. But I need much more detail.

443 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:21:14am

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

A Muslim think tank has found some UK Imams discriminate against women when enforcing Islamic Sharia law.

Scholars at the Centre for Islamic Pluralism (CIP) interviewed 90 Muslims in London, the West Midlands, Lancashire and West Yorkshire.

They found some women did not get fair hearings in forced marriage, arranged marriage and domestic violence matters.

SNIP

Another.
Another.

444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:21:35am

re: #438 Walter L. Newton

Well, I'm fairly certain you could be of more help than I.

Yer smart about that stuff..

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:21:38am

re: #435 Decatur Deb

Looks like "no harm, no foul".

I would be a tad upset if my kid's teacher pulled something like that.

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:22:21am

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

Tad upset? I'd go flipping ballistic!

447 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:22:31am

re: #424 Alouette

I don't want to sue them, I would like to cooperate with them, but for fair compensation. We are both working with the same print book which is public domain, however I own the rights to the digitized version that I made in 1999. I am sure that whatever they plan to do with the public domain print book includes putting it into some digital format, in which case they can reinvent the wheel by just scan it all in again by hand (how much would that cost?) or they can pay for my already digitized format.

I want to negotiate with them first, not sic the lawyers.

At least get a lawyer to advise you on that letter, Aloutte. Please, you are a very sweet and wonderful person, but topics like this are tricky enough that both parties benefit from a lawyer's involvement.

448 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:05am

re: #424 Alouette

I don't want to sue them, I would like to cooperate with them, but for fair compensation. We are both working with the same print book which is public domain, however I own the rights to the digitized version that I made in 1999. I am sure that whatever they plan to do with the public domain print book includes putting it into some digital format, in which case they can reinvent the wheel by just scan it all in again by hand (how much would that cost?) or they can pay for my already digitized format.

I want to negotiate with them first, not sic the lawyers.

You might say/do/sign something that strips you of your rights during negotiations if you do not have legal counsel. And, you can bet your bippy that THEY will have the advice of counsel even if their attorney does not speak for them.

Please, speak to a few IP attorneys.

449 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:06am

re: #402 Aceofwhat?

i know lots of evangelicals. 90% of them are wonderful people that you wish were your neighbors.

1. what's a dominionist? i've never heard that word used by a christian.
2. riiight. that's just a dumb thing to say.
3. proselytizing - sure. that's what "evangelical" means. is it so terrible?

Dominionism.

proselytizing - some folks do indeed think it's a terrible thing.
I simply ignore those efforts to proselytize me, seeking my conversion.

450 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:17am

And if Chris Mattew's comments weren't bad enough we now find the Woody Allen think Obama should be more like a dictator!

Top political strategist Woody Allen thinks Obama would get much more done as dictator; No, really

The notorious and formerly funny movie director Woody Allen is apparently frustrated with the cumbersome operations of American democracy too.

The one-time-father-now-husband-of-his-daughter tells the Spanish-language magazine La Vanguardia that the United States' Democratic Smoker-in-Chief could accomplish a whole lot more from his White House if he didn't have so many disorderly, annoying people objecting, distracting and criticizing him all the time.

Such social messiness has been known to occur in functioning democracies, even cinematic ones, although less often on celebrity-strewn movie sets under the direction of a dictatorial director.

"It would be good...if (Obama) could be dictator for a few years because he could do a lot of good things quickly,"...

This proves... something. Or anther. YMMV

451 Digital Display  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:40am

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

Fucking EXCUSEEE MEEE for joining in the thread conversation.

LOL
/you replied twice Walter..Touch a nerve? So you don't want to wear the Mantle of the Militant Atheist? I thought it was a pretty cool title for you..
Remember I always say I'm a member of the militant wing of the salvation Army...

452 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:57am

re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tad upset? I'd go flipping ballistic!

Did you account for gravity's influence on your trajectory???

453 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:24:03am

re: #436 Obdicut

The problem is many, many shareholders do not participate in the least, and, if they do, they are not real stakeholders; they are mutual funds, other corporations, et al. So the ownership is pushed away by a degree and the actions taken by the mutual fund might very well not actually be approved of by most of its owners, but since it's complicated and obfuscated, most people don't feel a sense of responsibility towards those corporations they own shares in.

It's not a good way to run a market, that's for sure. It leads inevitably to corporate irresponsibility which leads inevitably to government regulation which may or may not do any damn good at all.

I don't want to trash Capitalism.

454 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:24:10am

re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tad upset? I'd go flipping ballistic!

Bet he's a great science fair advisor.

455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:24:50am

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

I would be a tad upset if my kid's teacher pulled something like that.

Now if they did it with "Dinnerjacket" or "So Ronery"?

Nah. I'd still be pissed.

456 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:18am

re: #255 Obdicut

How is a mosque whose Imam rejects all violent jihad 'fundamentalist'? On what grounds do you call them 'fundamentalist', especially in a world with such true, insane Islamic fundamentalism?

I understand that this Imam is second generation from one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood.

457 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:18am

re: #437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya toots!

Hey, FBV!

458 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:19am

re: #418 Aceofwhat?

i want to take your best shot and see how i measure up. i know you know your stuff. i don't mean "defend" as in "ha, yeah, but it's ok that women are totally second-class"...i mean it as in "delving into the context of the verse under consideration".

make sense?

Never mind... I don't want to upset anyone here... you see the hypocrisy...

459 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:21am

re: #443 MandyManners

A Muslim think tank has found some UK Imams discriminate against women when enforcing Islamic Sharia law.


Another.
Another.

This is interesting, but it doesn't indicate in the slightest that Sharia is 'creeping' into use in British civil or criminal courts.

There are certainly plenty of batei din which I would describe as misogynist, in their application of halacha, but that is an internal issue. The same should apply to a sharia court.

The judge is clearly talking about using Sharia to settle civil disputes between Muslims, once again, as a beit din is used. I could only scan the article, does he go beyond that? If not, I fail to see a problem.

The Archbishop of Canterbury appears to be a loon.

460 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:26:03am

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably not, because Walter seems to see interpretation as cheating. He's a bit of a Biblical originalist.

which is cute, in an atheist;)

but without context, we couldn't make sensible conclusions about how to interpret YWM in Genesis, or head coverings in Corinthians...

461 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:26:06am

re: #450 Gus 802

And if Chris Mattew's comments weren't bad enough we now find the Woody Allen think Obama should be more like a dictator!

Top political strategist Woody Allen thinks Obama would get much more done as dictator; No, really


This proves... something. Or anther. YMMV

It proves that Woody Allen is still a moron.

462 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:26:48am

re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now if they did it with "Dinnerjacket" or "So Ronery"?

Nah. I'd still be pissed.

Yeah, I don't want my kids working out assassination plans in class.

463 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:26:58am

re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist

It proves that Woody Allen is still a moron.

Either that or he was misquoted by the Venezuelan version of Newsbusters.

//

464 McSpiff  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:27:14am

re: #447 Obdicut

At least get a lawyer to advise you on that letter, Aloutte. Please, you are a very sweet and wonderful person, but topics like this are tricky enough that both parties benefit from a lawyer's involvement.

I agree, it really depends. Copyright law can be a total pain, and its very easy to paint yourself into a corner. Don't forget, oral contracts are usually enforceable. Anything Alouette says can and most likely will be used against her. Good faith negotiations when you don't understand the law can bite you in a big way. Lawyer up, just for your own sanity.

465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:27:37am

Well, 'tis been a small slice of heaven hanging out with you guys... but I gotta go to work. Y'all play nice.

And don't drive like my brother.

466 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:27:44am

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

Women against Sharia.

An academic expert in Muslim Sharia law is holding a presentation on the subject for women in Melksham later this month.

Amra Bone, who has worked as a lecturer in Islamic studies, will hold a presentation introducing Sharia law and in particular Sharia family law, for women of all faiths and backgrounds at Melksham Assembly Hall, between 10am and 1pm on May 22.

The visit is being funded by Wiltshire Council and organised by West Wiltshire Interfaith Group.

SNIP

467 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:27:56am

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Right Hoops, why don't you go back up thread and see who or when and what the discussion of misogyny and Sharia law came up... they've been talking about it for an hour now, and you jump on me?

Bullshit.

dude, it was funny. nothing more...

468 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:28:39am

Muslim Sharia law under the microscope in Melksham

An academic expert in Muslim Sharia law is holding a presentation on the subject for women in Melksham later this month.

Amra Bone, who has worked as a lecturer in Islamic studies, will hold a presentation introducing Sharia law and in particular Sharia family law, for women of all faiths and backgrounds at Melksham Assembly Hall, between 10am and 1pm on May 22.

The visit is being funded by Wiltshire Council and organised by West Wiltshire Interfaith Group.

Mrs Bone, who sits on the National Muslim Women’s Advisory Group, will focus on aspects of family law including marriage, divorce and women’s rights in Sharia law during her presentation, before answering questions. It is free will have an area where children can do arts and crafts during the talk.

469 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:29:45am

re: #458 Walter L. Newton

Never mind... I don't want to upset anyone here... you see the hypocrisy...

let me know when you're in the mood. it's not a subject that gets my boxers in a twist, so there's not much chance of it spiraling into something emotional.

470 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:29:59am

re: #451 HoosierHoops

LOL
/you replied twice Walter..Touch a nerve? So you don't want to wear the Mantle of the Militant Atheist? I thought it was a pretty cool title for you..
Remember I always say I'm a member of the militant wing of the salvation Army...

Touched a nerve... no, you're becoming annoying... if you don't like my opinions and knowledge of religion, scriptures, religious history, if it bothers you that it goes against your grain, then debate me, but coming back with snide-assed comments calling me a "militant atheist" is a cheap shot.

If you can't debate my subjects with me fine, then stay out of my conversations... you were certainly all coo-coo sucking up to me when I was making nice comments about one of your favorite theologians Watchman Nee...

471 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:30:11am

re: #466 MandyManners

GMTA!

472 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:31:18am

re: #456 Naso Tang

I understand that this Imam is second generation from one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood.

exactly the kind of hard fact that Spare wouldn't give us...now i'm a little more interested...

473 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:31:50am

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

Touched a nerve... no, you're becoming annoying... if you don't like my opinions and knowledge of religion, scriptures, religious history, if it bothers you that it goes against your grain, then debate me, but coming back with snide-assed comments calling me a "militant atheist" is a cheap shot.

If you can't debate my subjects with me fine, then stay out of my conversations... you were certainly all coo-coo sucking up to me when I was making nice comments about one of your favorite theologians Watchman Nee...

dude, it was funny. let it go...

474 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:32:24am

re: #453 MandyManners

I don't want to trash Capitalism.

Well, that's easy enough not to do. Captilaism is an economic method that creates a high efficiency in the distribution of goods and services-- and does so more and more efficiently the more accurate and widespread the information in the system is. However, since in capitalism anything can accrue value, that information (and false information presented convincingly) accrues value, becoming a set of goods and services that then serve to create inefficiency in the rest of the economy. So, in order to ameliorate the natural tendencies of sheer capitalism on its own in an economic sense, some outside force needs to be present to keep information accurate and free.

Likewise, capitalism on its own had no ethics, morals, or any other sort of social tie. It is an economic system, not a social system, and while it will provide goods and services demanded for social reasons, it will not innovate such things in the same way that it innovates other goods or services. So for any social service, an outside force must be present to create demand for it in a pure capitalistic environment.

Finally, a pure capitalistic entity is lawless and has no values. It is not true to say that corporations only seek profit, because corporations are staffed by human beings, who have emotions and empathy and all the rest of that. However, in the abstract, a corporation has no incentive to hold to any stricture of values or laws. This means that a corporation provides the opportunity for people who themselves lack values to act in a value-free fashion-- such as making the decision to sacrifice the lives of workers to make profits. So, an outside force is necessary in order to make sure that corporations do not act in ways that are destructive or unethical, since they have no inherent values.

So, that was a pretty standard critique of capitalism vis a vis itself and as it interfaces with democracy, but it doesn't trash capitalism.

475 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:32:55am

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

476 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:33:02am

OK, I will definitely notify an attorney, fortunately the Jewish History Foundation already has a law firm that handles our corporate filings.

477 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:33:10am

re: #450 Gus 802

And if Chris Mattew's comments weren't bad enough we now find the Woody Allen think Obama should be more like a dictator!

Top political strategist Woody Allen thinks Obama would get much more done as dictator; No, really

This proves... something. Or anther. YMMV

mind you, Woody also thinks that we should just drop the charges against Roman Polanski already...yowza...

478 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:33:51am

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

479 Digital Display  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:34:30am

re: #473 Aceofwhat?

dude, it was funny. let it go...

Note to self: Don't call Walter a militant atheist.

480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:34:48am

re: #476 Alouette

Where are Jews gonna find a lawyer?

481 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:34:55am

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

482 McSpiff  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:35:34am

re: #479 HoosierHoops

Note to self: Don't call Walter a militant atheist.

You can call me a coach potato atheist if you'd like.

483 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:35:57am

Anti-NOAA propaganda [pimped by Drudge] for fellow Luddites:

Think-Tank Says Trained Chimp Can Predict Hurricanes Better
Than NOAA... And Puts it to the Test
Chimp Predicts 6-8 Atlantic Hurricanes in 2010

Washington, DC - The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's track record in predicting the number of Atlantic hurricanes is so abysmal that a trained chimp could do better, says The National Center for Public Policy Research, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank.

The group is putting this claim to the test, issuing a 2010 Atlantic Hurricane Forecast today determined by a chimpanzee, "Dr. James Hansimian."

The forecast is being issued in advance of NOAA's May "Atlantic Hurricane Season Outlook," expected to be released next week.

"NOAA's May outlooks have been wrong three out of the last four years - or 75% of the time," said David Ridenour, vice president of The National Center for Public Policy Research. "We think our chimp can do better. He hasn't been wrong so far. Of course, this is his very first hurricane season forecast."...

Yes, the message is "don't trust NOAA" and those pesky scientists.

This is from National Center for Public Policy Research:

The National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) began operations in 1982. It was created to present the conservative perspective on issues of significant public concern. As its first project, it exposed human rights abuses by the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. It then fought against a proposed "nuclear freeze" and began supporting the Reagan Administration's policies regarding Central America. It now calls itself a "communications and research foundation dedicated to providing free market solutions to today's public policy problems."

In 1997, NCPPR opposed action on global warming at an international summit in Kyoto, Japan. It established the Kyoto Earth Summit Information Center, issued an "Earth Summit Fact Sheet" and fed anti-treaty quotes to the media through a "free interview locator service" that offered "assistance to journalists seeking interviews with leading scientists, economists and public policy experts on global warming."

Following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, NCPPR began using the rhetoric of anti-terrorism to attack environmentalists. In May 2002, it created the Envirotruth web site, to attack what it called the "jihad" that environmental activists are waging against corporations.

484 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:36:13am

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

485 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:36:26am

re: #479 HoosierHoops

Note to self: Don't call Walter a militant atheist.

You can call me an "Atheofascist Sith Lord".

486 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:36:27am

re: #479 HoosierHoops

Note to self: Don't call Walter a militant atheist.

You can call me one if you want, but i'm really not that militant. I'm defensively militant, but I don't go out of my way to try to convince anyone to not be an atheist. Except by recommending that everyone read Darwin's Dangerous Idea.

487 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:37:03am

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, heck. Here are all the links from Charles.

488 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:38:34am

re: #473 Aceofwhat?

dude, it was funny. let it go...

It was passive-aggressive bullshit. I don't get no guff from anyone when I spend hours here knocking down someone's favorite "fundamentalist of the week" buffoon... I don't get anyone calling me names when I join the Catholic Church bashing... it's all sugar and spice when I can come into a conversation here with historical information about religion or theological information that helps the swarming against some idiot christian...

But be damned if I follow suit and make my opinions and information known about some aspect of religion that suddenly steps on some fucking sensitive toes.

Good for the goose, huh, not good for the gander.

489 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:38:50am

re: #483 Gus 802

I'd say the NCPPR started on honorable issues but has since taken a foolish stand on AGW.

/Sorry but I have to post and run. BBT

490 Digital Display  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:39:03am

re: #486 Obdicut

You can call me one if you want, but i'm really not that militant. I'm defensively militant, but I don't go out of my way to try to convince anyone to not be an atheist. Except by recommending that everyone read Darwin's Dangerous Idea.

So do you want to join me in the militant wing of the Salvation Army?
We have fun blowing shit up in the Name of God...
///

491 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:39:29am

watch out for those atheist suicide bombers

492 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:39:43am

re: #456 Naso Tang

I understand that this Imam is second generation from one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood.

WHAT? Now, that's something I've not read yet.

493 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:39:59am

re: #491 cliffster

watch out for those atheist suicide bombers

Spaghettihu Akbar!1!!!
BOOM!

494 McSpiff  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:40:02am

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

It was passive-aggressive bullshit. I don't get no guff from anyone when I spend hours here knocking down someone's favorite "fundamentalist of the week" buffoon... I don't get anyone calling me names when I join the Catholic Church bashing... it's all sugar and spice when I can come into a conversation here with historical information about religion or theological information that helps the swarming against some idiot christian...

But be damned if I follow suit and make my opinions and information known about some aspect of religion that suddenly steps on some fucking sensitive toes.

Good for the goose, huh, not good for the gander.

Do you really care this much about name calling on the internet? I hope not, because I seriously doubt its healthy.

495 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:40:12am

re: #486 Obdicut

You can call me one if you want, but i'm really not that militant. I'm defensively militant, but I don't go out of my way to try to convince anyone to not be an atheist. Except by recommending that everyone read Darwin's Dangerous Idea.

didn't you see my skyhooks quip above?? i'm reading it!

496 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:41:01am

re: #476 Alouette

OK, I will definitely notify an attorney, fortunately the Jewish History Foundation already has a law firm that handles our corporate filings.

GOOD!

Not going into such negotiations is like bringing a knife to a gun-fight.

497 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:41:06am

re: #494 McSpiff

Do you really care this much about name calling on the internet? I hope not, because I seriously doubt its healthy.

And if you think my post was about name calling, you missed the whole fucking point...

498 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:41:15am

re: #490 HoosierHoops

So do you want to join me in the militant wing of the Salvation Army?
We have fun blowing shit up in the Name of God...
///

And I have fun blowing shit up, period. Sounds like good times.

A friend of mine up in Oregon actually has a whole field of stumps he's about to blow. I wish I could be there for it. Loud noises are fun.

499 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:41:28am

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

It was passive-aggressive bullshit. I don't get no guff from anyone when I spend hours here knocking down someone's favorite "fundamentalist of the week" buffoon... I don't get anyone calling me names when I join the Catholic Church bashing... it's all sugar and spice when I can come into a conversation here with historical information about religion or theological information that helps the swarming against some idiot christian...

But be damned if I follow suit and make my opinions and information known about some aspect of religion that suddenly steps on some fucking sensitive toes.

Good for the goose, huh, not good for the gander.

no, it was just a joke. and it made me laugh. like FBV's #380. fucking hysterical.

500 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:41:31am

re: #480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where are Jews gonna find a lawyer?

Use Archie Bunker's lawyers..."the law firm of Rabinowitz, Rabinowitz, and Rabinowitz. Seven savage Jews who won't leave a scrap on your bones."

501 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:42:04am

re: #498 Obdicut

And I have fun blowing shit up, period. Sounds like good times.

A friend of mine up in Oregon actually has a whole field of stumps he's about to blow. I wish I could be there for it. Loud noises are fun.

So, what's the kiloton range of the device he's gonna use?
/

502 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:42:25am

re: #495 Aceofwhat?

didn't you see my skyhooks quip above?? i'm reading it!

Heh. Missed it. Nice one. Glad you're reading it; if nothing else, you''ll get an excellent overview of the state of evolutionary biology, a savage whomping of Noam Chomsky, and the awesome concept of Design Space.

503 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:42:48am

re: #491 cliffster

watch out for those atheist suicide bombers

upside: atheists tend to be more afeared of dying, and thus less likely to splodey.

downside: atheists have a questionable track record as dictators.

;)

504 Digital Display  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:13am

re: #497 Walter L. Newton

And if you think my post was about name calling, you missed the whole fucking point...

Chill the fuck out Walter...I'm sorry..OK?

505 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:50am

re: #493 Varek Raith

Spaghettihu Akbar!1!!!
BOOM!

Yes my comrade. Once it is done we will go to paradise and enjoy the rest of eternity with 72 Christopher Hitchens!

//

506 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:44:02am

re: #503 Aceofwhat?

upside: atheists tend to be more afeared of dying, and thus less likely to splodey.

downside: atheists have a questionable track record as dictators.

;)

Hey! I've come to accept my own mortality.
As for being a dictator, well, fear will keep the various systems in line. Fear of this all powerful battlestation!

507 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:44:14am

re: #502 Obdicut

Heh. Missed it. Nice one. Glad you're reading it; if nothing else, you''ll get an excellent overview of the state of evolutionary biology, a savage whomping of Noam Chomsky, and the awesome concept of Design Space.

i'm taking some notes so that we can talk when i'm finished. i do love the skyhooks concept...not letting scientists take the lazy way out any more than we'd let a theist take the lazy way out...good stuff.

508 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:44:29am

re: #505 Gus 802

Yes my comrade. Once it is done we will go to paradise and enjoy the rest of eternity with 72 Christopher Hitchens!

//

I'm going to need to get more booze.

509 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:44:37am

re: #505 Gus 802

Yes my comrade. Once it is done we will go to paradise and enjoy the rest of eternity with 72 Christopher Hitchens!

//

And the stripper factory.
And the beer volcano.

510 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:45:15am

re: #499 Aceofwhat?

no, it was just a joke. and it made me laugh. like FBV's #380. fucking hysterical.

#480. oops.

511 darthstar  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:45:26am

re: #498 Obdicut

And I have fun blowing shit up, period. Sounds like good times.

A friend of mine up in Oregon actually has a whole field of stumps he's about to blow. I wish I could be there for it. Loud noises are fun.

I got to throw a three pound charge on ski patrol this year...makes a hell of a pop up close.

512 McSpiff  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:45:44am

re: #497 Walter L. Newton

And if you think my post was about name calling, you missed the whole fucking point...

Alright, change it from 'name-calling' to 'stranger's opinions on the internet". Other people are wrong. They make stupid jokes. A poster here used the insult 'Ms. Spiff' before. It happens. I try not to lose any sleep over it.

513 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:46:39am

laters - lunch and meetings beckon...

514 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:46:46am

re: #496 MandyManners

Not going into such negotiations with an attorney is like bringing a knife to a gun-fight.

515 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:46:51am

re: #509 Varek Raith

And the stripper factory.
And the beer volcano.

If The Atom says it is so for it is written. For He is the leader of our movement. All hail The Atom!

/

516 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:47:23am

OT:

Handyman advice needed.

My tub is blocked up. The overflow plate has a screw, but it's totally rusted and I can't unscrew it from the wall. The drain is a simple one, not a stopper-kind. Like this:

Image: bathtub%20drain-small.jpg

Am I better off trying to get the overflow plate cover off to send the snake down that way-- and if so, how do you get a totally rusted-out screwed on plate to come off-- or should I get the special tool to unscrew the bathtub drain?

My lease, by the way, has one weird clause in it: that the landlord isn't responsible for the plumbing. So I can't just get him to do it.

517 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:47:40am

re: #510 Aceofwhat?

#480. oops.

I got the same problem.

518 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:47:51am

re: #507 Aceofwhat?

Yeah, he really shows the versatility of that argument when he turns it on Gould and Chomsky.

519 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:47:55am

re: #512 McSpiff

Alright, change it from 'name-calling' to 'stranger's opinions on the internet". Other people are wrong. They make stupid jokes. A poster here used the insult 'Ms. Spiff' before. It happens. I try not to lose any sleep over it.

That would be misogynistic... (full circle).

520 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:48:18am

re: #516 Obdicut

OT:

Handyman advice needed.

My tub is blocked up. The overflow plate has a screw, but it's totally rusted and I can't unscrew it from the wall. The drain is a simple one, not a stopper-kind. Like this:

Image: bathtub%20drain-small.jpg

Am I better off trying to get the overflow plate cover off to send the snake down that way-- and if so, how do you get a totally rusted-out screwed on plate to come off-- or should I get the special tool to unscrew the bathtub drain?

Did you try Drano?

My lease, by the way, has one weird clause in it: that the landlord isn't responsible for the plumbing. So I can't just get him to do it.

521 McSpiff  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:49:58am

re: #519 Walter L. Newton

That would be misogynistic... (full circle).

Yes. It would be. But you're missing the point. It was stupid, so I didn't really care. I pointed out it was misogynistic and moved on with the discussion.

522 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:50:40am

re: #516 Obdicut

OT:

Handyman advice needed.

My tub is blocked up. The overflow plate has a screw, but it's totally rusted and I can't unscrew it from the wall. The drain is a simple one, not a stopper-kind. Like this:

Image: bathtub%20drain-small.jpg

Am I better off trying to get the overflow plate cover off to send the snake down that way-- and if so, how do you get a totally rusted-out screwed on plate to come off-- or should I get the special tool to unscrew the bathtub drain?

My lease, by the way, has one weird clause in it: that the landlord isn't responsible for the plumbing. So I can't just get him to do it.

I've done this before, when I couldn't get apartment management to take care of what they should be taking care of... take some dikes and snip off two of the "wings" of that drain, and then you may have room to put the snake down...

I would snip all four wings, so I then could grab the middle piece and turn it, which would probably back out the screw... and then replace the whole thing.

523 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:50:44am

re: #520 NJDhockeyfan

Oh yes, sorry, I've done plunging/drano/enzymes et al., repeatedly. No good. I think there's a bit of plastic or something down there, or just a mammoth blockage that i need to auger out.

524 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:51am

re: #516 Obdicut

OT:

Handyman advice needed.

My tub is blocked up. The overflow plate has a screw, but it's totally rusted and I can't unscrew it from the wall. The drain is a simple one, not a stopper-kind. Like this:

Image: bathtub%20drain-small.jpg

Am I better off trying to get the overflow plate cover off to send the snake down that way-- and if so, how do you get a totally rusted-out screwed on plate to come off-- or should I get the special tool to unscrew the bathtub drain?

My lease, by the way, has one weird clause in it: that the landlord isn't responsible for the plumbing. So I can't just get him to do it.

When I've had stripped screws, I've gotten rid of it by drilling it out. Drill straight into the screw. Gotta have a drill bit made for metal. This sounds pretty much the same as a stripped screw.

525 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:54am

re: #521 McSpiff

Yes. It would be. But you're missing the point. It was stupid, so I didn't really care. I pointed out it was misogynistic and moved on with the discussion.

You missed my joke... see how easy that is?

526 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:58am

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

Hrm. I guess i could snip off one wing... that might actually be less damaging than trying to unscrew the whole thing and possibly cracking porcelain or damaging the pipe below.

Thanks. Good thought.

527 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:53:45am

re: #516 Obdicut

OT:

Handyman advice needed.

My tub is blocked up. The overflow plate has a screw, but it's totally rusted and I can't unscrew it from the wall. The drain is a simple one, not a stopper-kind. Like this:

Image: bathtub%20drain-small.jpg

Am I better off trying to get the overflow plate cover off to send the snake down that way-- and if so, how do you get a totally rusted-out screwed on plate to come off-- or should I get the special tool to unscrew the bathtub drain?

My lease, by the way, has one weird clause in it: that the landlord isn't responsible for the plumbing. So I can't just get him to do it.

These work:

[Link: plumbing.hardwarestore.com...]

528 McSpiff  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:53:52am

re: #525 Walter L. Newton

You missed my joke... see how easy that is?

It seems like you've made so few lately; I didn't want to get my hopes up. Well, now that I've beaten this horse to death.…

529 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:54:34am

re: #526 Obdicut

Hrm. I guess i could snip off one wing... that might actually be less damaging than trying to unscrew the whole thing and possibly cracking porcelain or damaging the pipe below.

Thanks. Good thought.

Well we used to either drill a screw that was rusted or cut it with a chisel and use a bigger driver. If it's a brass screw you should be able to regroove it with a few bangs of a hammer on the chisel. Hit it with some WD-40, let it sit 30 seconds and twist. Should work.

530 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:03am

Ugh.

You know what I hate?

Online image galleries that reload the whole page every time you advance to the next image.

[mumble]

531 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:27am

re: #527 Decatur Deb

That's cool. I wonder if we have any hose lying around this building, and/or a working outside spigot. I'd love to try that method.

532 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:40am

re: #529 Locker

Well we used to either drill a screw that was rusted or cut it with a chisel and use a bigger driver. If it's a brass screw you should be able to regroove it with a few bangs of a hammer on the chisel. Hit it with some WD-40, let it sit 30 seconds and twist. Should work.

PB Blaster. Superior to WD-40.

533 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:49am

re: #529 Locker

Well we used to either drill a screw that was rusted or cut it with a chisel and use a bigger driver. If it's a brass screw you should be able to regroove it with a few bangs of a hammer on the chisel. Hit it with some WD-40, let it sit 30 seconds and twist. Should work.

Well it wouldn't rust if it were brass but you get my general idea.

534 Reginald Perrin  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:56:17am

re: #516 Obdicut

If it isn't completely blocked, there are ensyme based organic digestors which will eat whatever is plugging up the drain. If you want to remove the overflow cover, you'll have to drill the screw head off. Hopefully with the cover off, there will be a big enough piece of the screw left to remove it with pliers, otherwise you'll have to drill it out and tap the hole.

535 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:56:17am

New Orleans news anchor oopsie

Youtube Video

uuuhh, did he just say that??

536 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:57:18am

re: #526 Obdicut

Hrm. I guess i could snip off one wing... that might actually be less damaging than trying to unscrew the whole thing and possibly cracking porcelain or damaging the pipe below.

Thanks. Good thought.

Have you tried dynamite?

537 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:57:59am

re: #535 cliffster

New Orleans news anchor oopsie


[Video]uuuhh, did he just say that??

Heh.

538 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:58:00am

re: #535 cliffster

Sorry, but....
BWAHAHAHAHA!

539 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:58:37am

Man faked his way into Harvard, got $45,000 in financial aid, prosecutors say

WOBURN, MASS. — A Delaware man has been charged with faking his way into Harvard and duping the Ivy League school out of $45,000 in financial aid, grants and scholarships.

Adam Wheeler, 23, of Milton, was admitted to Harvard and became a student in 2007 after he falsely claimed he had earned a perfect academic record at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., and had studied for a year at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, prosecutors said Monday.

Ultimately, authorities said, Wheeler's attempts to be an overachiever were his undoing: Harvard started to look into Wheeler's background after he sought the school's endorsement for Rhodes and Fulbright scholarships. A professor reviewing his application noticed similarities between Wheeler's writing and that of another student, prosecutors said.

Wheeler was indicted on 20 offenses, including larceny, identity fraud and pretending to hold a degree. He was arrested Monday by Massachusetts authorities and scheduled for arraignment today in Middlesex Superior Court.

540 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:58:52am

re: #533 Locker

Heh. I was gonna say.

The funny thing is that I have the weirdest set of tools for home repair, because they're all my fiancée's from when she was a jewler. I have no drill, but I have a dremel. No hacksaw, but a hand shear. So I may try the chisel method, still. It's a big screw.

541 Varek Raith  Tue, May 18, 2010 9:59:50am

BBT.

542 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:00:27am

re: #538 Varek Raith

Sorry, but...
BWAHAHAHAHA!

Just the normal flow of conversation.. straight face.. on the air, "Guess she's enjoying penis a little more, and that's the news folks, thank you for watching".

543 Vambo  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:00:43am

um... save the internet!
[Link: www.savetheinternet.com...]

544 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:01:13am

re: #539 NJDhockeyfan

Man faked his way into Harvard, got $45,000 in financial aid, prosecutors say

But I thought Harvard was a socialist institution.

//

545 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:02:00am

re: #540 Obdicut

Heh. I was gonna say.

The funny thing is that I have the weirdest set of tools for home repair, because they're all my fiancée's from when she was a jewler. I have no drill, but I have a dremel. No hacksaw, but a hand shear. So I may try the chisel method, still. It's a big screw.

With Varek posting here this section of the thread is screaming for an exposition of handyman skills using Force Powers. Vader probably has another younger brother in that line of work. Joe-Bob Vader, Sith Plumber.

Along the lines of "Your lack of faith in Drain-O disturbs me..." ;)

546 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:02:15am

re: #540 Obdicut

Heh. I was gonna say.

The funny thing is that I have the weirdest set of tools for home repair, because they're all my fiancée's from when she was a jewler. I have no drill, but I have a dremel. No hacksaw, but a hand shear. So I may try the chisel method, still. It's a big screw.

You said dremel. Cut a notch in that screw and use a bigger driver.

I

547 Lidane  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:02:42am

Hola, Lizards! Who knew Anderson Cooper had a sense of humor? :)

548 prairiefire  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:03:31am

What a marvelous day for political wonks and wonkettes. I like this guy's take:[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
"A Democrat's Take On Elections." The Fox staff picked it up from the printer with latex gloves on and examined it like a piece of moon rock before printing.
I'll be watching the returns tonight. The PA dem primary is fascinating.

549 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:03:35am

re: #540 Obdicut

Heh. I was gonna say.

The funny thing is that I have the weirdest set of tools for home repair, because they're all my fiancée's from when she was a jewler. I have no drill, but I have a dremel. No hacksaw, but a hand shear. So I may try the chisel method, still. It's a big screw.

If you have a Dremel, you're half-way there.

[Link: homerepair.about.com...]

550 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:04:30am

re: #549 Decatur Deb

If you have a Dremel, you're half-way there.

[Link: homerepair.about.com...]

Yea that's the "drill it" method and it's a good one. Are those actual screw extractors for the Dremel? Didn't know you could get em but if you can... COOL!

551 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:04:34am

re: #548 prairiefire

What a marvelous day for political wonks and wonkettes. I like this guy's take:[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
"A Democrat's Take On Elections." The Fox staff picked it up from the printer with latex gloves on and examined it like a piece of moon rock before printing.
I'll be watching the returns tonight. The PA dem primary is fascinating.

Funny!

552 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:04:59am

Irenicum, you said here at MIT?

Very cool.

What do you do there?

553 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:06:45am

re: #550 Locker

Yea that's the "drill it" method and it's a good one. Are those actual screw extractors for the Dremel? Didn't know you could get em but if you can... COOL!

You use the dremel to make a pit in the screw, then turn the counter-threaded extractor by hand with it's own handle or a wrench. They're quite cheap at Lowe's or Sears.

554 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:07:20am

re: #553 Decatur Deb

PIMF: its.

555 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:07:27am

re: #548 prairiefire

What a marvelous day for political wonks and wonkettes. I like this guy's take:[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
"A Democrat's Take On Elections." The Fox staff picked it up from the printer with latex gloves on and examined it like a piece of moon rock before printing.
I'll be watching the returns tonight. The PA dem primary is fascinating.

I'm hoping big time for Sestak to beat Spector. Will hopefully serve as a wake-up call that the rank and file will not simply rollover for whoever the party leaders prop up and say to vote for. And hopefully also serve as a solid rebuttal of the complete political opportunism that Spector is attempting.

556 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:08:30am

Lunch--BBL

557 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:09:00am

re: #555 oaktree

I'm hoping big time for Sestak to beat Spector. Will hopefully serve as a wake-up call that the rank and file will not simply rollover for whoever the party leaders prop up and say to vote for. And hopefully also serve as a solid rebuttal of the complete political opportunism that Spector is attempting.

I'm hoping that EVERYONE votes for Spector. He deserves it, especially after taking the really big step of switching parties. That was a bold and heroic move on his part.

And he'll be a snap to beat in November.

558 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:09:27am

re: #550 Locker

Nifty.

Okay. First, I'll try re-notching the screw-- the modified Decatur/Locker process. Then, my parents are getting into town tonight. I'm going to borrow their garden hose, get a Drain King, and use the Decatur Hose method. If that fails, I'll move on to the pure Locker method, dremmeling out the screw and going that way. If somehow that fails too, I'll snip out one arm of the drain, and Walter it.

Just send your invoices to the usual place, gentlemen, and thank you.

559 cliffster  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:10:12am

re: #558 Obdicut

dude, use dynamite. It'll work, I promise

560 Renaissance_Man  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:10:34am

re: #544 Gus 802

But I thought Harvard was a socialist institution.

//

No, no, no. It's a fundamentalist Islamic institution. It just happens to employ socialists. Cause, you know, they're all in it together.

561 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:11:28am

re: #481 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

OK, that seems to me to be crossing a line.

The activities of this mosque, OTOH, do not.

562 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:11:49am

re: #557 Walter L. Newton

I'm hoping that EVERYONE votes for Spector. He deserves it, especially after taking the really big step of switching parties. That was a bold and heroic move on his part.

And he'll be a snap to beat in November.

Hear hear!

563 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:11:52am

re: #560 Renaissance_Man

No, no, no. It's a fundamentalist Islamic institution. It just happens to employ socialists. Cause, you know, they're all in it together.

It's those fundamentalist Islamic, socialist-atheists! They'll do it all the time.

//

564 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:11:53am

re: #540 Obdicut

Heh. I was gonna say.

The funny thing is that I have the weirdest set of tools for home repair, because they're all my fiancée's from when she was a jewler. I have no drill, but I have a dremel. No hacksaw, but a hand shear. So I may try the chisel method, still. It's a big screw.


Need a Plumber??
Where are you and what's the weather like?
Raining here...could use a break!
Now seriously...
Find a driver the right size for the screw....
Put in the slot and lightly rap it with a hammer.
This may help the crud that has it seized up break loose.

565 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:12:23am

re: #535 cliffster

New Orleans news anchor oopsie

[Video]

uuuhh, did he just say that??

The blonde looked to be on the verge of cracking up.

566 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:13:23am

re: #553 Decatur Deb

You use the dremel to make a pit in the screw, then turn the counter-threaded extractor by hand with it's own handle or a wrench. They're quite cheap at Lowe's or Sears.

Ah the manual Army method.

We used to have to extract counter-sunk, 18 inch bolts from the blast panels on our rocket launchers that had been filled with fire retardant (hard as a damn rock) and then blasted until burnt to a crisp using only hand tools.

Chip out the retardant, dimple the bolt head and then use the screw/bolt extractors with the manual slip-over handle. Ridiculous.

You can see in this shot how badly the blast panels that line the rocket chamber get hit with flames and exhaust:

Image: mlrs_1982_02.jpg

All of the MLRS photos for that site are here if anyone is interested:

[Link: www.redstone.army.mil...]

567 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:13:44am

re: #487 MandyManners

Ah, heck. Here are all the links from Charles.

OK...now, how is this mosque creating a "sharia foothold" in New York City again?

568 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:14:52am

re: #561 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that seems to me to be crossing a line.

The activities of this mosque, OTOH, do not.

I'm not arguing one way or the other. I just was giving you all the links I've found here about sharia.

569 MandyManners  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:15:37am

re: #567 SanFranciscoZionist

OK...now, how is this mosque creating a "sharia foothold" in New York City again?

See No. 568, please.

570 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:16:06am

re: #505 Gus 802

Yes my comrade. Once it is done we will go to paradise and enjoy the rest of eternity with 72 Christopher Hitchens!

//

And they ALL talk, ALL the time.

571 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:16:22am

The data will not stop coming in confirming the fact that we are the primary cause of a global problem. What is changing as more and more data comes in is that our worst case assessments are consistently too soft, and that the system (the Earth's climate) is changing in ways more harmful to us, other species and our civilization, than predicted.

It is not hyperbole to talk about the future deaths of billions and the collapse of our civilization as a result of this.

Yesterday, I was talking with a colleague - who is also a presidential science advisor. He also was the person who taught me string theory. We were be-moaning certain shared perceptions of the American political scene.

He said "I wonder what the Average American is going to be doing (for money) 50 years from now."

I said, "Exploiting refugees from the coasts."

We had a bitter laugh.

I could have added refugees from the expanding deserts as well. Of course he knows that all too well. In 100 years, the situation becomes utterly catastrophic.

This is not a joke. This is the harsh reality. We can still begin to turn it around. However, we need to be clear that we need to act now.

572 prairiefire  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:17:57am

I can't wait for the Kentucky Rs to have Rand Paul on their hands. I think the liberal bloggers will go after him for his militia associations and "violent overthrow of federal government" support.

573 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:17:59am

re: #567 SanFranciscoZionist

OK...now, how is this mosque creating a "sharia foothold" in New York City again?

Laugh I first read this to say "sharia football team" in New York City. I was thinking that perhaps they could play the basketball teams in the All-American Basketball Alliance (whites only).

574 prairiefire  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:18:26am

re: #570 SanFranciscoZionist

And they ALL talk, ALL the time.

Sounds like LGF!

575 Gus  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:01am

re: #570 SanFranciscoZionist

And they ALL talk, ALL the time.

Hmm. Now that would be one way to "prevent" atheism.

//

576 Stanghazi  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:16am

re: #572 prairiefire

I can't wait for the Kentucky Rs to have Rand Paul on their hands. I think the liberal bloggers will go after him for his militia associations and "violent overthrow of federal government" support.

Check the links - his supporters have been harassing people at the polls.

577 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:54am

re: #568 MandyManners

I'm not arguing one way or the other. I just was giving you all the links I've found here about sharia.

All right, then.

578 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:20:46am

re: #573 Locker

Laugh I first read this to say "sharia football team" in New York City. I was thinking that perhaps they could play the basketball teams in the All-American Basketball Alliance (whites only).

Reminds me of the opening scene of The Chosen.

579 Obdicut  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:22:32am

Boo. My fiancée won't let me use her dremmel. Something about "I need it to make our wedding rings" and "just how dumb are you, anyway?"

580 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:22:57am

re: #578 SanFranciscoZionist

Reminds me of the opening scene of The Chosen.

That movie was fantastic and taught me a lot. Folks sure didn't like it when I used that movie as a reference to my understand that not all Jews supported the creation of the State of Israel when it happened.

581 Bronco Bama FTW  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:24:07am

re: #579 Obdicut

Boo. My fiancée won't let me use her dremmel. Something about "I need it to make our wedding rings" and "just how dumb are you, anyway?"

Use that the next time she wants to go shopping.

"I need that money for our wedding rings. Just how dumb are you, anyway?"

582 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:34:15am

re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist

Are you under the impression that 'moderate Islam' operates without Sharia? It's a legal system central to Islam, not a special bell or whistle added only by the radicals.

I am under the impression that Islamic Sharia Law, unlike the religious codes of other religions, is not subject to modern interpretation, amendment and modification. That is the problem with Islam.

583 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 18, 2010 10:52:48am

re: #492 MandyManners

WHAT? Now, that's something I've not read yet.

I "know" it only based on a TV interview with a Muslim (ex I think) woman opposed to the project. It's seems readily verifiable.

584 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 18, 2010 11:06:50am

re: #425 PT Barnum

My point was that Islam is no different than any other religious faith in wanting to impose its will on nonbelievers.

Wanting to, yes, they all want to.
But killing or maiming them if they refuse to submit? Well let's just say that's Islamofascism's special gig these days.

585 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 18, 2010 11:18:05am

re: #578 SanFranciscoZionist

Reminds me of the opening scene of The Chosen.


Corner High School (Alabama) Student Diversity

* Students by Ethnicity (2008)
* White 100 %
* Hispanic < 1 %
* Asian/Pacific Islander < 1 %

* Students by Gender (2008)
* Male 50%
* Female 50%

Good at Geometry, passed NCLB.

586 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:16:08pm

re: #516 Obdicut

OT:

Handyman advice needed.

My tub is blocked up. The overflow plate has a screw, but it's totally rusted and I can't unscrew it from the wall. The drain is a simple one, not a stopper-kind. Like this:

Image: bathtub%20drain-small.jpg

Am I better off trying to get the overflow plate cover off to send the snake down that way-- and if so, how do you get a totally rusted-out screwed on plate to come off-- or should I get the special tool to unscrew the bathtub drain?

My lease, by the way, has one weird clause in it: that the landlord isn't responsible for the plumbing. So I can't just get him to do it.

Go to Sears and ask for a stripped screw/bolt remover. It drills into the screw and has a reverse thread inset screw that screws into the hole, but with the drill in reverse. That way it self seats and turn the bad screw out.

587 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 18, 2010 12:59:48pm

re: #571 LudwigVanQuixote

The data will not stop coming in confirming the fact that we are the primary cause of a global problem. What is changing as more and more data comes in is that our worst case assessments are consistently too soft, and that the system (the Earth's climate) is changing in ways more harmful to us, other species and our civilization, than predicted.

It is not hyperbole to talk about the future deaths of billions and the collapse of our civilization as a result of this.

Yesterday, I was talking with a colleague - who is also a presidential science advisor. He also was the person who taught me string theory. We were be-moaning certain shared perceptions of the American political scene.

He said "I wonder what the Average American is going to be doing (for money) 50 years from now."

I said, "Exploiting refugees from the coasts."

We had a bitter laugh.

I could have added refugees from the expanding deserts as well. Of course he knows that all too well. In 100 years, the situation becomes utterly catastrophic.

This is not a joke. This is the harsh reality. We can still begin to turn it around. However, we need to be clear that we need to act now.

Ludwig, I respect your opinions, but there's two things I cannot agree with.

One is your catastrophism. I consider an asteroid impact or unlimited nuclear war an "utter catastrophe". The coming changes in the earth's climate represents significant threats to human civilization as well as natural habitats through rising seas threatening coastal regions, changing seasonal weather patterns, etc. It does not represent the utter destruction of human civilization as you suggest. This is not to say that there is no cause for alarm. As a civilization, we need to be prepared for the coming changes. The better prepared we are to cope with climate change, the less disruptive and harmful the changes will be to human civilization.

The other is the notion that we can stop it if we act now. The train has already left the station. That we are now detecting movement in global average temperatures indicates that the climate is already in a transient state. It will continue to be in a transient state until the system has converged on a new steady state condition. This means the climate will continue to warm until a new atmospheric heat balance is reached, and the present disturbance from steady state is due to concentrations of greenhouse gasses already in the atmosphere. Even if we reduce greenhouse gas emissions this does nothing to change the current concentration of greenhouse gas. What we can do is lessen the rate of increase in the concentration of greenhouse gas. Reducing the rate of increase in the concentration of greenhouse gas is itself a worthwhile goal, because doing reduces the positive feedback on the system pushing it in the warming direction. The purpose for moving away from combustion fuels to sources such as nuclear (and when possible geo and hydro, with solar and wind as supplementary sources) is to slow the effects of climate change such that human civilization has time to adapt. See above paragraph. The more prepared we are to cope with climate change and the longer time we have time adapt to climate change means that human civilization will fare better in the long run.

588 kf  Tue, May 18, 2010 1:21:52pm

The story is a bit misleading presented like this. The fact that 2010 has (to date) been the warmest on record is primarily due to ENSO/El Nino. The current trend is still up, but trumpeting spikes without attributing cause is disingenuous. I see another commenter pointed it out and is rated -6, which I guess speaks for itself.

In a rebuttal to the aforementioned comment, it was pointed out that .15 C/decadal rise in temperature has not changed much since the 70s (i.e. correcting for sea temperature oscillations). This is also fine to point out, but remember that the mean climate model prediction in AR4 is ~3.5 degrees C (.35/decadal) from year 2000 baseline ( Image: Global_Warming_Predictions.png ), so we're going to need to see significant acceleration in order for observations to come back into line with predictions. Acceleration has yet to materialize in observations (in fact, both temperature rise & sea level change have decelerated slightly).

The Earth is warming and will most likely continue to warm, but catastrophic warming on the scale that the climate models predict and that governments want us to pay for with massive taxes has, but catastrophic

589 kf  Tue, May 18, 2010 1:23:57pm

Bah hit post before finished it and no edit button....last paragraph is basically:

Signs of catastrophic warming haven't manifested themselves yet, so let's possibly think over this multi-trillion dollar overhaul of energy consumption.

590 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 18, 2010 1:36:59pm

re: #588 kf

Have you published for your peer review, or are you just testing the karma waters at LGF for now?

591 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 19, 2010 8:56:36am

re: #590 Naso Tang

Have you published for your peer review, or are you just testing the karma waters at LGF for now?

Are you saying you'd trust the NOAA and NASA more than an anonymous blog commenter?

RINO!

592 Achilles Tang  Wed, May 19, 2010 6:50:54pm

re: #591 Charles

Are you saying you'd trust the NOAA and NASA more than an anonymous blog commenter?

RINO!

Hah! No comment (needed).

593 kf  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:48:54am

Alright I respect that it's your site and I'm a guest, but I'll politely say: you are really off the mark here. The NOAA, in the very news story that this piece is based on, backs up what I said: ENSO is having a significant effect on tropical temperatures (which is leading to a warm spike).

"El Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) weakened in April, as sea-surface temperature anomalies decreased across the equatorial Pacific Ocean. The weakening contributed significantly to the warmth observed in the tropical belt and the warmth of the overall ocean temperature for April. According to NOAA's Climate Prediction Center, El Niño is expected to continue through June."

Just as 1998 saw a pronounced temperature spike in reaction to ENSO conditions, we are seeing a (lesser) spike right now in reaction to ENSO conditions. Overreacting to warm blips - especially when we know the cause - is just the same as overreacting to cold blips during, for instance, La Nina.

Saying that 2010 - to date - is the warmest year on record without pointing out El Nino conditions is kinda disingenuous. NOAA wouldn't do it, USA Today didn't do it, and downvoting someone that points it out doesn't speak well to the community's willingness to discuss science (even the inconvenient parts). I have no idea of mkelly's history so I'm without context, but rating that comment a -8 makes absolutely no sense.

594 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:40:11am

re: #593 kf

You're ignoring several things, the most important of which is context.

Not only has this issue been discussed here at length, so too has it been on many blogs, in the media, etc. Also discussed at length here and elsewhere have been the counter claim of "global cooling" by the AGW science-denialists.

You claim LGF is being "disingenuous" for not mentioning ENSO, when the very link provided itself gives that information! Do you really expect every idea and sentence of a linked story to be repeated in a key-post here? Don't you think that the reason the link is given in the key-post is for the reader to go there and learn more?

Furthermore, no where in the key-post is it stated that this one piece of data is the basis of AGW. It should be clear from the snarky title that this piece is offered up as a rebuttal to the "global cooling" AGW-denialists.

Now, as for discussing the science... one thing you seem to be overlooking is that there have been many El Nino years during the temperature record. All those El Nino years included on their calendar the months of Jan - Apr.

And all those other El Nino years' Jan-Apr periods were cooler than this present one.


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