After a wacky day, here’s another photo from the Lizard Comic Collection: issue #73 of The Fantastic Four, published in April 1968 (and this copy looks like it just came off the rack), pitting all of the hottest 1968 Marvel characters against each other as the story lines from several different Marvel comics collide.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 7:31:41pm |
I think watching the election results come in on a comic book thread is deliciously ironic…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 7:33:19pm |
Looks like Specter is done
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 7:33:43pm |
but hey… DareDevil, Spiderman or Thor are not w/the fantastic 4? wass up with dat?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 7:35:04pm |
I just got here and there’s a new thread. Cool.
Evening Honcos!!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 7:35:52pm |
All in all, looks like Dems are doing well tonight, and the GOP continues to trend crazy
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 7:40:36pm |
re: #5 WindUpBird
All in all, looks like Dems are doing well tonight, and the GOP continues to trend crazy
Everywhere I read there seems to be a consensus that there isn’t an enthusiasm gap, as was expected, and the dems are getting their shit together.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 7:42:50pm |
re: #6 recusancy
Everywhere I read there seems to be a consensus that there isn’t an enthusiasm gap, as was expected, and the dems are getting their shit together.
well if dumping Specter is getting their shit together, well yes I would have to agree…
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 7:43:50pm |
re: #7 brookly red
well if dumping Specter is getting their shit together, well yes I would have to agree…
Thank you for agreeing.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 7:44:11pm |
re: #6 recusancy
Is today’s vote primaries for the Dems/Repubs? I’ve been at work all day/night.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 7:44:22pm |
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 7:44:54pm |
re: #9 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is today’s vote primaries for the Dems/Repubs? I’ve been at work all day/night.
Both.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 7:46:16pm |
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 7:48:42pm |
I do have to admit that when I said …freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.” & it shows up as a bottom 10 comment, IMHO it is a very sad day.
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 7:49:14pm |
re: #13 brookly red
I do have to admit that when I said …freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.” & it shows up as a bottom 10 comment, IMHO it is a very sad day.
They just hate you for your freedom.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 7:49:57pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 7:52:50pm |
re: #13 brookly red
I do have to admit that when I said …freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.” & it shows up as a bottom 10 comment, IMHO it is a very sad day.
i agree.
And it’s no longer there.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 7:54:04pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 7:54:26pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 7:56:13pm |
re: #9 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is today’s vote primaries for the Dems/Repubs? I’ve been at work all day/night.
Both parties, in several states.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 7:58:25pm |
re: #13 brookly red
I do have to admit that when I said …freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.” & it shows up as a bottom 10 comment, IMHO it is a very sad day.
Hahaha, don’t sweat it. Sometimes ya gotta take one for the team…or two…or three. ;D
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sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 7:59:20pm |
re: #9 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is today’s vote primaries for the Dems/Repubs? I’ve been at work all day/night.
mostly it’s primaries, but there’s also a special election for Jack Murtha’s seat (the D won).
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 7:59:37pm |
Completely OT but took 9 year old for first fishing trip of the year tonight and he pulled in a 15” bass. I believe he is hooked.
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 8:00:26pm |
AP is calling PA Dem primary for Sestak. How’s that cynical party switching workin’ out for ya Arlen?
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:00:27pm |
re: #21 Spare O’Lake
Hahaha, don’t sweat it. Sometimes ya gotta take one for the team…or two…or three. ;D
Freedom, that is one point I will will never concede.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:01:08pm |
re: #23 PT Barnum
Completely OT but took 9 year old for first fishing trip of the year tonight and he pulled in a 15” bass. I believe he is hooked.
Poor kid will never be the same!!LOL
..Or his piggy bank…or his weekends…etc!
COOL!!
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 8:01:49pm |
re: #26 reloadingisnotahobby
Poor kid will never be the same!!LOL
..Or his piggy bank…or his weekends…etc!
COOL!!
Yeah I know. The best part is I now have someone to go fishing with for the rest of my life :)
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:02:52pm |
re: #26 reloadingisnotahobby
Poor kid will never be the same!!LOL
..Or his piggy bank…or his weekends…etc!
COOL!!
just wait till he tastes it :)
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 8:02:56pm |
re: #27 PT Barnum
Yeah I know. The best part is I now have someone to go fishing with for the rest of my life :)
Fun part was cleaning it. I still am no good with a filet knife so I scaled and gutted it. Found a good size crawdad in the process of being digested.
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prairiefire Tue, May 18, 2010 8:03:46pm |
re: #23 PT Barnum
Completely OT but took 9 year old for first fishing trip of the year tonight and he pulled in a 15” bass. I believe he is hooked.
That is an incredible fish! He’ll hope for that every time now.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:11pm |
re: #30 PT Barnum
Eye-hand coordination…
..and biology all rolled into one!
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:16pm |
re: #30 PT Barnum
Fun part was cleaning it. I still am no good with a filet knife so I scaled and gutted it. Found a good size crawdad in the process of being digested.
/that is a delicacy in France…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:19pm |
re: #27 PT Barnum
Yeah I know. The best part is I now have someone to go fishing with for the rest of my life :)
Yes, but now you need to get him a “Work is for people who don’t know how to fish” bumper sticker.:)
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jamesfirecat Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:32pm |
re: #24 PT Barnum
AP is calling PA Dem primary for Sestak. How’s that cynical party switching workin’ out for ya Arlen?
Well at least he can go out knowing that he helped pass the ACA bill… which is something I’m sure he’ll hate/love to tell his children/god children about…
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:42pm |
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:43pm |
15 inch is the smallest you can take out of the lake we’re on. We got a nice bluegill too, but we’re going back this weekend to see if we can’t catch enough to make a mess.
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 8:04:45pm |
re: #22 sagehen
mostly it’s primaries, but there’s also a special election for Jack Murtha’s seat (the D won).
And that district went for McCain in ‘08.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 8:05:12pm |
In the cover match-ups, I would root for: Daredevil, Thing and Spider-Man. Thing would most likely get his ass kicked, though.
Why isn’t Invisible Woman in the cover? Is she cleaning or something? Misogyny!
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Racer X Tue, May 18, 2010 8:05:31pm |
re: #30 PT Barnum
I love to fish. Hate cleaning them. I’m now into fly fishing - catch and release.
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 8:05:32pm |
re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes, but now you need to get him a “Work is for people who don’t know how to fish” bumper sticker.:)
Give a man a fish, he’ll eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he’ll sit in the boat and drink beer all day.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 8:05:47pm |
re: #13 brookly red
I do have to admit that when I said …freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.” & it shows up as a bottom 10 comment, IMHO it is a very sad day.
No, you said “yet” like something was on the horizon to take it away.
From memory, I didn’t even have to look.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 8:05:50pm |
re: #23 PT Barnum
Completely OT but took 9 year old for first fishing trip of the year tonight and he pulled in a 15” bass. I believe he is hooked.
Wonderful. Good dad.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:06:08pm |
re: #42 PT Barnum
Give a man a fish, he’ll eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he’ll sit in the boat and drink beer all day.
And I’ll be sitting next to him. Heh.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:06:14pm |
re: #40 Nimed
In the cover match-ups, I would root for: Daredevil, Thing and Spider-Man. Thing would most likely get his ass kicked, though.
Why isn’t Invisible Woman in the cover? Is she cleaning or something? Misogyny!
She is there silly… you just can’t see her.
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bratwurst Tue, May 18, 2010 8:06:25pm |
re: #7 brookly red
well if dumping Specter is getting their shit together, well yes I would have to agree…
Is it hard to understand why those on the left side of the aisle might not be totally comfortable going into the general election with a candidate who had an (R) after his name from the time dinosaurs roamed the earth until a year ago?
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:06:40pm |
re: #43 Stanley Sea
No, you said “yet” like something was on the horizon to take it away.
From memory, I didn’t even have to look.
bite me.
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jamesfirecat Tue, May 18, 2010 8:06:42pm |
re: #40 Nimed
In the cover match-ups, I would root for: Daredevil, Thing and Spider-Man. Thing would most likely get his ass kicked, though.
Why isn’t Invisible Woman in the cover? Is she cleaning or something? Misogyny!
Not that I want to be “that guy”
But how do see Daredevil whose superpower is being “not quite blind” taking down Mr. fantastic who can shrug off just about any normal attack?
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 8:06:45pm |
re: #41 Racer X
I love to fish. Hate cleaning them. I’m now into fly fishing - catch and release.
cleaning em is a bugger. My dad was a pretty good hand with a filet knife and could go through a dozen or so in no time. My sister is promising me that she’ll take me to a nice lake down in Missouri next time I’m down and we’ll catch a few nice bluegill to practice on.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 8:07:05pm |
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 8:08:53pm |
re: #51 Nimed
Touché.
‘reminds me of an old MAD magazine parody of Wonder Woman. The guy is standing there drooling, and Wonder woman asks him what’s wrong. “You were changing your clothes” he says
“Yes, in my plane” she says
“Yes, in your INVISIBLE plane!” he says.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:09:16pm |
re: #42 PT Barnum
Ah… That’s not how that really goes ya know!
//
…Teach a man to fish and he’ll blow all his money on:
Boat,tackle,beer..more beer, bigger boat, new tackle…
……….repeat….etc …
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 8:10:07pm |
re: #49 jamesfirecat
Not that I want to be “that guy”
But how do see Daredevil whose superpower is being “not quite blind” taking down Mr. fantastic who can shrug off just about any normal attack?
Actually, Charles is Daredevil: The Blogger Without Fear.
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PT Barnum Tue, May 18, 2010 8:10:20pm |
re: #54 reloadingisnotahobby
Ah… That’s not how that really goes ya know!
//
…Teach a man to fish and he’ll blow all his money on:
Boat,tackle,beer..more beer, bigger boat, new tackle…
…repeat…etc …
Probably, but I’m pretty much a worm dunker, so my needs for tackle are pretty cheap, and I don’t drink anymore.
Larry
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:11:57pm |
re: #57 PT Barnum
Probably, but I’m pretty much a worm dunker, so my needs for tackle are pretty cheap, and I don’t drink anymore.
Larry
see that’s my problem, I start drinkin an I juss gotta dunk my worm….
so sue me.
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jamesfirecat Tue, May 18, 2010 8:12:30pm |
re: #55 Dark_Falcon
Actually, Charles is Daredevil: The Blogger Without Fear.
Shhh…. don’t go letting his many enemies know that…
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 8:12:43pm |
re: #49 jamesfirecat
Not that I want to be “that guy”
But how do see Daredevil whose superpower is being “not quite blind” taking down Mr. fantastic who can shrug off just about any normal attack?
Mmm… good question. I can’t see it happening.
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MandyManners Tue, May 18, 2010 8:13:07pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, May 18, 2010 8:14:21pm |
If you are, apparently, made out of stone, do you really want to come up against a divinity with a sledgehammer?
Wrong country, but that’s a pretty big Achilles’ heel. I would think you would want to be up against someone who hits with his bare hand.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:15:20pm |
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MandyManners Tue, May 18, 2010 8:15:31pm |
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 8:17:01pm |
re: #41 Racer X
I love to fish. Hate cleaning them. I’m now into fly fishing - catch and release.
Fly fishing is one of the most relaxing endeavors in the world. I used to fly fish for redfish when I lived in Louisiana, out on the salt.
Heaven.
And good evening, Lizards!
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 8:18:11pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:18:12pm |
re: #67 austin_blue
Redfish is yummy. Didn’t know you could fly fish for them.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 8:18:20pm |
re: #61 MandyManners
[Video]
Oh, please don’t. The rest of the free world doesn’t know they’re free?
Gaack.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:19:01pm |
re: #62 EmmmieG
If you are, apparently, made out of stone, do you really want to come up against a divinity with a sledgehammer?
Wrong country, but that’s a pretty big Achilles’ heel. I would think you would want to be up against someone who hits with his bare hand.
Breakin rocks in the hot sun,
I fought the thor & the thor won…
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:23:49pm |
re: #72 Ojoe
“The Huge Molars of Horst Nordfink”
on black bread, with ale…
and maybe some boiled eggs…
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:24:02pm |
re: #66 MandyManners
Had an interesting arguement with a Fire Chief down here about his presentation of the American Flag hung from the bucket of our new ladder truck.
The stars were toward the truck.I asked if he was displaying the flag in “Distress”protocol intentionally .He stated that the boom would be extended
level out over the highway and it’s cool to fly as a banner…
I pointed out that’s “cool” from a building but the
boom is a mast weather it’s horizontal or vertical .
30 minutes later it was displayed correctly!
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 8:24:03pm |
re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar
Reine, we really need to talk about your grammar.
/
hahaha.
Yeah, I can see where you would think that.
LOL.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 8:27:54pm |
Oh, and a great geology story in the Times today:
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
In that it gives us more knowledge, great news! It also adds meat to Darwin (again).
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 8:28:28pm |
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prairiefire Tue, May 18, 2010 8:28:49pm |
Murtha’s seat stays Democratic!!!!![Link: hosted.ap.org…]
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 8:29:26pm |
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:30:16pm |
re: #78 prairiefire
Murtha’s seat stays Democratic!!![Link: hosted.ap.org…]
Awesome…the GOPbaggers were assuming this would be an easy pickup.
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MandyManners Tue, May 18, 2010 8:30:18pm |
re: #70 austin_blue
Oh, please don’t. The rest of the free world doesn’t know they’re free?
Gaack.
I’m stunned.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:30:32pm |
re: #78 prairiefire
Murtha’s seat stays Democratic!!![Link: hosted.ap.org…]
Isn’t that kinda like saying, “Yippee, my car started”?
/
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 8:30:39pm |
re: #79 reine.de.tout
Nope.
hell.
Let me check “junk”.
Nope.
Everything in my “junk” folder is just the stuff that’s supposed to be there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:31:14pm |
re: #83 reine.de.tout
Nope.
Everything in my “junk” folder is just the stuff that’s supposed to be there.
More porn? C’mon Reine…
//
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jamesfirecat Tue, May 18, 2010 8:31:22pm |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
Isn’t that kinda like saying, “Yippee, my car started”?
/
Well in New York 23d that car only went “Putta putta da putta….” before it stalled out.
The moral of the story is that people who take elections for granted tend to loose them.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 8:31:47pm |
re: #80 darthstar
Awesome…the GOPbaggers were assuming this would be an easy pickup.
No they weren’t. They were hoping they COULD pick it up, and it was close considering the district. But they never assumed it was an ‘easy pickup”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:32:33pm |
re: #85 jamesfirecat
Well in New York 23d that car only went “Putta putta da putta…” before it stalled out.
The moral of the story is that people who take elections for granted tend to loose them.
And that is why Charlie Crist will lose to Marco Rubio.
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MandyManners Tue, May 18, 2010 8:32:34pm |
re: #74 reloadingisnotahobby
Had an interesting arguement with a Fire Chief down here about his presentation of the American Flag hung from the bucket of our new ladder truck.
The stars were toward the truck.I asked if he was displaying the flag in “Distress”protocol intentionally .He stated that the boom would be extended
level out over the highway and it’s cool to fly as a banner…
I pointed out that’s “cool” from a building but the
boom is a mast weather it’s horizontal or vertical .
30 minutes later it was displayed correctly!
Bless those who do what they need to do at the time they need to do itl.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:32:57pm |
re: #78 prairiefire
Murtha’s seat stays Democratic!!![Link: hosted.ap.org…]
as long as that pos Murtha is gone…
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 8:33:06pm |
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prairiefire Tue, May 18, 2010 8:33:44pm |
Where is the tea partiers’ electoral clout?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:34:16pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:34:20pm |
re: #90 reine.de.tout
OOPS. Ok, found it.
hang on.
Come on Reine…we’re dying to know just WHAT folder it was in…
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 8:34:39pm |
re: #89 brookly red
as long as that pos Murtha is gone…
Being that he’s dead you might want to keep it polite.
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laZardo Tue, May 18, 2010 8:34:57pm |
re: #91 prairiefire
Where is the tea partiers’ electoral clout?
The hell if I know, but as a person still unfortunately registered as a Republican in California and in possession of an absentee ballot I’m gonna do my part to make sure it doesn’t show its face again.
And then I’m gonna go to the embassy and switch to the Green Party.
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:36:06pm |
re: #91 prairiefire
Where is the tea partiers’ electoral clout?
Sleeping with their electoral clout’s sister.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:36:35pm |
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:37:26pm |
re: #94 recusancy
Being that he’s dead you might want to keep it polite.
No fair using brookly red’s comments to bitch-slap brookly red…though I do think it’s kind of sad that people still feel the need to kick a man after he’s been dead for several months.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:38:43pm |
re: #98 darthstar
We have the 24 hour rule here.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:38:51pm |
re: #98 darthstar
No fair using brookly red’s comments to bitch-slap brookly red…though I do think it’s kind of sad that people still feel the need to kick a man after he’s been dead for several months.
no, I earned it… I spoke ill of the dead. My bad.
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:39:30pm |
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prairiefire Tue, May 18, 2010 8:39:34pm |
re: #98 darthstar
A rather gruesome way to go, also. A Dr.’s error in a routine GI procedure.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:39:49pm |
Crap!
The wireless mouse just died!
…So I’ll wave goodnight!*waves*
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Taqyia2Me Tue, May 18, 2010 8:40:24pm |
Is CT Blumenthal still alive?
Because, if he is, I would be glad to disparage him…
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:40:41pm |
re: #100 brookly red
no, I earned it… I spoke ill of the dead. My bad.
Good on ya…I ate shit for being a dick yesterday…it’s not that bad, and people do forgive. Cheers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 8:40:47pm |
re: #25 brookly red
Freedom, that is one point I will will never concede.
OK, OK. The comment that came before it was weird and ominous. I’m sorry you were upset by the downdings that followed, but you’re not a martyr for liberty. Let’s stay calm.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 8:41:28pm |
re: #100 brookly red
no, I earned it… I spoke ill of the dead. My bad.
Well, you did the right thing and apologized. You’re a good man, Brookly.
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abolitionist Tue, May 18, 2010 8:41:31pm |
re: #103 reloadingisnotahobby
Crap!
The wireless mouse just died!
…So I’ll wave goodnight!*waves*
Is there a battery? AAA maybe?
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laZardo Tue, May 18, 2010 8:42:36pm |
Also came back from my grandmother’s funeral. Self-imposing 24 hour rule on my infamous sweeping statements on Catholics.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:43:06pm |
re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, OK. The comment that came before it was weird and ominous. I’m sorry you were upset by the downdings that followed, but you’re not a martyr for liberty. Let’s stay calm.
could you please try to stay within like fifty comments?
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Political Atheist Tue, May 18, 2010 8:43:09pm |
re: #103 reloadingisnotahobby
Could be the cat on your lap…?
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jamesfirecat Tue, May 18, 2010 8:43:55pm |
re: #111 Rightwingconspirator
Could be the cat on your lap…?
My family actually has reduced that particular problem to three letters, we call it CoL because it happens so often even though we only have two cats.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:44:27pm |
re: #108 abolitionist
yes…But the little lady is sleeping in the same room with the stash of
batteries.
..And! I’m not CRAZY!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:44:33pm |
re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, OK. The comment that came before it was weird and ominous. I’m sorry you were upset by the downdings that followed, but you’re not a martyr for liberty. Let’s stay calm.
First year of college I took French. We had to use words in a sentence. My word was “Calm”. So I screamed “I am calm” in French. Was funny. Heh.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 8:44:44pm |
re: #93 reloadingisnotahobby
Come on Reine…we’re dying to know just WHAT folder it was in…
Yeah, I’ll bet.
OK, get this now, a complete mystery - it was in the folder “reine.de.tout”.
Hahahahaha!
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 8:46:10pm |
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:46:18pm |
re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, OK. The comment that came before it was weird and ominous. I’m sorry you were upset by the downdings that followed, but you’re not a martyr for liberty. Let’s stay calm.
and besides, it was one downding from a questionable source. Now just on the PR value alone do you have any idea what hay some people will try to make from downdinging a freedom statement? not good.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 8:47:22pm |
re: #118 brookly red
and besides, it was one downding from a questionable source. Now just on the PR value alone do you have any idea what hay some people will try to make from downdinging a freedom statement? not good.
The freedom police?
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 8:48:10pm |
re: #116 ~Fianna
You know that he died, right?
Not celebrating his death, but it is still good that he’s not in Congress anymore.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:48:11pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
Far too obvious for ya eh!LOL indeed!
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 8:48:16pm |
re: #118 brookly red
and besides, it was one downding from a questionable source. Now just on the PR value alone do you have any idea what hay some people will try to make from downdinging a freedom statement? not good.
Oh please.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:48:47pm |
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 8:48:50pm |
Today’s update on the MC252 oil well incident in the Gulf.
The “riser insertion tube tool (RITT)” is now estimated to be capturing 2,000 barrels a day of oil which is being stored on the drill ship. The methane is being burnt, a process called flaring.
That is an unknown fraction of the leak that is estimated to be spewing 85% of the gas/oil mixture. BP definitely found a lot of both.
They are apparently not even trying to capture the 15% issuing from the leak right above the BOP stack. As we know, BP, the Coast Guard, and the drilling industry in general were all caught unprepared for the impossible likely blow out and failure of the Cameron TL double BOP.
Two rigs are drilling away at the two relief wells which could kill the MC252 well. End of July is likely the earliest these could try to intersect the MC252 well. Both could run into problems and fail.
The big hope is that they will be able to top kill the gusher in the meantime. By injecting heavy enough mud to allow them to plug it with cement, which was (sans two cement plugs) where we were before they decided to take a short-cut and save a few bucks. They are also considering injecting debris into the BOP to try to clog it as part of the “top kill” operation.
Most of the equipment for the top kill is said to be on-site and the maneouvre could take place in the next week or two.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 8:48:52pm |
re: #117 sattv4u2
he COULD get better!!
//
Sure. I hear he’s registered to vote in Chicago. Murtha hasn’t left us.
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 8:49:14pm |
re: #120 BryanS
Not celebrating his death, but it is still good that he’s not in Congress anymore.
I just didn’t want to down ding a crack on a dead guy until I was sure that Brookly knew he was a dead guy.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 8:49:24pm |
Sharia Law must never be afforded legitimacy in the domestic legal system…neither in the civil law nor in the criminal law. To do so would be to elevate religious law to a status which is repugnant to the separation of Church and State.
This is what fundamentalist Muslims are already striving for in Britain, in France, in Canada and in other Western countries.
Is the US immune from this onslaught?
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 8:49:46pm |
re: #122 ~Fianna
Dead is sorta like being turned in to a newt?
You mean he’ll be doing spots on Fox News?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, May 18, 2010 8:50:01pm |
re: #127 ~Fianna
I just didn’t want to down ding a crack on a dead guy until I was sure that Brookly knew he was a dead guy.
already covered and dealt with.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, May 18, 2010 8:50:25pm |
re: #128 Spare O’Lake
Sharia Law must never be afforded legitimacy in the domestic legal system…neither in the civil law nor in the criminal law. To do so would be to elevate religious law to a status which is repugnant to the separation of Church and State.
This is what fundamentalist Muslims are already striving for in Britain, in France, in Canada and in other Western countries.
Is the US immune from this onslaught?
yes
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 8:50:27pm |
re: #122 ~Fianna
Dead is sorta like being turned in to a newt?
I happen to have a very lively family of newts living under my front porch!
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 8:50:34pm |
re: #121 reloadingisnotahobby
Far too obvious for ya eh!LOL indeed!
It was funny.
I felt so ashamed …
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Taqyia2Me Tue, May 18, 2010 8:50:42pm |
re: #128 Spare O’Lake
Sharia Law must never be afforded legitimacy in the domestic legal system…neither in the civil law nor in the criminal law. To do so would be to elevate religious law to a status which is repugnant to the separation of Church and State.
This is what fundamentalist Muslims are already striving for in Britain, in France, in Canada and in other Western countries.
Is the US immune from this onslaught?
Not immune, but IMHO, not gonna happen here, ever.
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:50:46pm |
re: #123 Nimed
Oh please.
OK, let me say it again… freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.
you wannna take issue? you got a problem with that?
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jamesfirecat Tue, May 18, 2010 8:51:04pm |
re: #128 Spare O’Lake
Sharia Law must never be afforded legitimacy in the domestic legal system…neither in the civil law nor in the criminal law. To do so would be to elevate religious law to a status which is repugnant to the separation of Church and State.
This is what fundamentalist Muslims are already striving for in Britain, in France, in Canada and in other Western countries.
Is the US immune from this onslaught?
We have Division of Church and state written into our constitution do those other countries?
Also the crazy Muslims who want to base our laws off their holy book would first need to deal with the much larger group of crazy Christians already here who want to base our laws off of their holy book!
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 8:51:07pm |
re: #130 BryanS
You mean he’ll be doing spots on Fox News?
And running for president.
And also, calling on Godwin. *sigh*
Gingrich is a jackass, but it scares me that he’s lowering himself to T-bag rhetoric.
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 8:51:38pm |
re: #136 brookly red
OK, let me say it again… freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.
you wannna take issue? you got a problem with that?
And puppies should never be kicked.
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 8:51:45pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
already covered and dealt with.
Yes, I was behind, and I didn’t realize how far. Splitting time between here and Arkansas election coverage.
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prairiefire Tue, May 18, 2010 8:51:51pm |
re: #136 brookly red
OK, let me say it again… freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.
you wannna take issue? you got a problem with that?
No, I just want to win elections.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, May 18, 2010 8:52:07pm |
re: #137 jamesfirecat
We have Division of Church and state written into our constitution do those other countries?
Also the crazy Muslims who want to base our laws off their holy book would first need to deal with the much larger group of crazy Christians already here who want to base our laws off of their holy book!
…and we’re back to separation of church and state…I LOVE it!
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 8:52:16pm |
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 8:52:22pm |
re: #133 sattv4u2
I happen to have a very lively family of newts living under my front porch!
Cute! I love amphibians.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, May 18, 2010 8:52:40pm |
Pretty funny song, “My Self Esteem’s Not Low Enough to Date You”
You text at 3 in the morning
And you misspell my name
You slept with half my friends on Facebook
And most of them think you are lame
You say that with me, it’s different
And you’re not that big of a dick
And if you disappear, it’s just you’re busy
Not ‘cause you’re with some chick
I know this might be uncool
But I decided to tell you the truth
My self esteem’s not low enough to date you
It’s close, but not quite there
Give me time to get a little bit more rejected
And you and I could make an awesome pair
A totally awesome pair
I seem like your perfect target
Like I’ve been lonely too long
You think that I haven’t had sex in forever
And I’ll admit that you’re not wrong
But I would rather have no one
Than this crap would let me reaffirm
I wouldn’t touch your dick if I’d been poisoned
And the antidote was in your sperm
I know this might be uncool
But I’m just telling the truth
My self esteem’s not low enough to date you
It’s close, but not quite there
Give me time to get a little bit more desperate
And you and I could make an awesome pair
A totally awesome pair
We could last forever
Just have to give me time
To learn to deal with bullshit
And blatant lies
But for now, now
My self esteem’s not low enough to date you
It’s so close, but not quite there
Give me time to get a little bit more wasted
And you and I could make an awesome pair
A totally awesome pair
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Aceofwhat? Tue, May 18, 2010 8:52:49pm |
re: #140 ~Fianna
Yes, I was behind, and I didn’t realize how far. Splitting time between here and Arkansas election coverage.
thou art forgiven, my child…go and threadsin no more/
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:52:50pm |
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 8:53:01pm |
re: #136 brookly red
OK, let me say it again… freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.
you wannna take issue? you got a problem with that?
According to your strange criterion, any commenter who fails to upding your comment is indifferent to freedom. Oh, noes!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 8:53:38pm |
re: #128 Spare O’Lake
Sharia Law must never be afforded legitimacy in the domestic legal system…neither in the civil law nor in the criminal law. To do so would be to elevate religious law to a status which is repugnant to the separation of Church and State.
This is what fundamentalist Muslims are already striving for in Britain, in France, in Canada and in other Western countries.
Is the US immune from this onslaught?
Not entirely, but the 1st Amendment gives us enhanced protection against such encroachments.
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 8:53:43pm |
re: #146 Aceofwhat?
thou art forgiven, my child…go and threadsin no more/
Easiest. confession. evar.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, May 18, 2010 8:53:48pm |
re: #148 Nimed
According to your strange criterion, any commenter who fails to upding your comment is indifferent to freedom. Oh, noes!
que?
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:01pm |
re: #148 Nimed
According to your strange criterion, any commenter who fails to upding your comment is indifferent to freedom. Oh, noes!
bite me.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:07pm |
re: #144 ~Fianna
Cute! I love amphibians.
heh ,, c’mon over
two turtles living INSIDe the house (sons pets in a 50 gallon tank) a family of newts living under the front porch and assorted other reptiles and amphibians in and around the property
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Aceofwhat? Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:13pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:36pm |
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:46pm |
re: #140 ~Fianna
Yes, I was behind, and I didn’t realize how far. Splitting time between here and Arkansas election coverage.
No point, nobody got fifty percent so now they have to do a runoff election on June 8th.
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 8:54:51pm |
re: #153 sattv4u2
heh ,, c’mon over
two turtles living INSIDe the house (sons pets in a 50 gallon tank) a family of newts living under the front porch and assorted other reptiles and amphibians in and around the property
I had a pet turtle and snakes when I was little.
Now we have mammals, but if I had my way, I’d live in a zoo.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 8:55:02pm |
re: #148 Nimed
According to your strange criterion, any commenter who fails to upding your comment is indifferent to freedom. Oh, noes!
A stretch (at best)
Brookly was offput that someone DOWNdinged it,, not that it wasn’t UPdinged
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:55:37pm |
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 8:55:46pm |
re: #128 Spare O’Lake
Sharia Law must never be afforded legitimacy in the domestic legal system…neither in the civil law nor in the criminal law. To do so would be to elevate religious law to a status which is repugnant to the separation of Church and State.
This is what fundamentalist Muslims are already striving for in Britain, in France, in Canada and in other Western countries.
Is the US immune from this onslaught?
Still, my most favorite political satire ever—Canterbury Tales style slam at Canterbury Arch Bishop’s support for sharia law being incorporated into common law there:
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:55:51pm |
BREAKING: Mitch McConnell blows a gasket! (film at eleven)
In other news, gasket denies the relationship.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 8:55:52pm |
re: #159 sattv4u2
A stretch (at best)
Brookly was offput that someone DOWNdinged it,, not that it wasn’t UPdinged
And said downdinger has been noted, recorded, and will face their LGF fate, sometime in the future…wocka wocka
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Aceofwhat? Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:03pm |
re: #159 sattv4u2
A stretch (at best)
Brookly was offput that someone DOWNdinged it,, not that it wasn’t UPdinged
i’d ask you to stop posting the obvious, but…//
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:25pm |
re: #148 Nimed
According to your strange criterion, any commenter who fails to upding your comment is indifferent to freedom. Oh, noes!
noooo but downdinging it to the bottom 10 does kinda make a site look, well bad. now I can see how you would not care but, take one for the team.
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:27pm |
re: #157 ausador
No point, nobody got fifty percent so now they have to do a runoff election on June 8th.
I’m enjoying watching Lincoln’s lead get gradually narrower.
In a perfect world, she and Specter would be sitting at the lame duck table in the lunchroom together, but she’s got a few more weeks until that happens.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:30pm |
re: #162 darthstar
BREAKING: Mitch McConnell blows a gasket! (film at eleven)
In other news, gasket denies the relationship.
Heh.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:31pm |
re: #139 recusancy
And puppies should never be kicked.
Why hasn’t brookly updinged this comment yet?
Could it be that… HE DOESN’T CARE ABOUT PUPPIES?!?
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prairiefire Tue, May 18, 2010 8:56:59pm |
re: #143 sattv4u2
whaddaya running for !?!?!
//
Chief cook and bottle washer.
We have blue tailed skinks around our garage:Image: 55.jpg
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 8:57:23pm |
re: #158 ~Fianna
I had a pet turtle and snakes when I was little.
Now we have mammals, but if I had my way, I’d live in a zoo.
Oh ,, we have the mammals also
Two dogs. One 12 pound mutt (part terrier) about 7 years old and one West Highland terrier, 18 pounds and about 2 years old
(don’t know the exact age of either as we got both from shelters
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 8:57:28pm |
With today’s $70 million grants to the 4 front line states, BP has spent just over $600 million as a result of the disaster.
The only mention today on the BBC front page online is “US ‘to revamp’ drilling watchdog.”
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 8:57:51pm |
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 8:58:11pm |
re: #170 prairiefire
Chief cook and bottle washer.
We have blue tailed skinks around our garage:Image: 55.jpg
We have those too. I saw a baby one the other day. Ours, being desert types are not near as colorful. More yellow and brown.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 8:58:22pm |
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 8:58:26pm |
re: #170 prairiefire
Chief cook and bottle washer.
We have blue tailed skinks around our garage:Image: 55.jpg
Wow, that’s a really beautiful animal. I wish people came in more colors.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 8:59:05pm |
re: #172 Bagua
With today’s $70 million grants to the 4 front line states, BP has spent just over $600 million as a result of the disaster.
The only mention today on the BBC front page online is “US ‘to revamp’ drilling watchdog.”
Beginning with this, I guess:
Chris Oynes, MMS Official, To Step Down In Wake Of Gulf Oil Spill
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 18, 2010 8:59:30pm |
re: #176 ~Fianna
Wow, that’s a really beautiful animal. I wish people came in more colors.
Pssst…Hold them under water…
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prairiefire Tue, May 18, 2010 8:59:44pm |
re: #174 Stanley Sea
I have backed over one before. The tail is a really pretty blue, especially when flattened.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, May 18, 2010 8:59:46pm |
re: #176 ~Fianna
Wow, that’s a really beautiful animal. I wish people came in more colors.
i can change colors…although it does seem to require about a month and a lot of sloth;)
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 8:59:48pm |
re: #173 Nimed
Are we restarting the BDSM thread?
we could… it’s after 11:00.
/OK, bite me you impotent liberal cur… is that better?
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:00:10pm |
re: #161 BryanS
Still, my most favorite political satire ever—Canterbury Tales style slam at Canterbury Arch Bishop’s support for sharia law being incorporated into common law there:
Well done…when I was in college I was in a class called “The Golden Age of Satire: Pope, Swift, Gay” - after reading rhymed couplets for a semester, I decided to write my final essay in that form…the first two lines (from memory) were:
An epic poem, in medias res,
A student’s journey through this fine place…
It got a B…the teacher was an Alexander Pope expert, and while he saw the humor, he nailed me on little discrepencies in meter and rhyme.
That being said, I love Chaucer…have memorized several lines of the General Prologue, and have read the Canterbury Tales many, many times…thanks for the link.
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 9:00:41pm |
re: #171 sattv4u2
Oh ,, we have the mammals also
Two dogs. One 12 pound mutt (part terrier) about 7 years old and one West Highland terrier, 18 pounds and about 2 years old
(don’t know the exact age of either as we got both from shelters
All of ours are rescues. 4 cats, one hand raised from approximately 3 days old, one shelter rescue, and 2 that came from the back yard, probably dumped by foreclosed owners.
Dog also came from the back yard. Called the number on her tag and got a business. No one there owned up to missing a dog. She’s absolutely the best dog in the world, even my husband who is scared of dogs fell in love with her, so we kept her.
If I were Ruler of the Universe, animal abuse would be a capital offense.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:00:49pm |
re: #180 Aceofwhat?
i can change colors…although it does seem to require about a month and a lot of sloth;)
Drinking on the beach? I’m there.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 18, 2010 9:01:45pm |
re: #183 ~Fianna
All of ours are rescues. 4 cats, one hand raised from approximately 3 days old, one shelter rescue, and 2 that came from the back yard, probably dumped by foreclosed owners.
Dog also came from the back yard. Called the number on her tag and got a business. No one there owned up to missing a dog. She’s absolutely the best dog in the world, even my husband who is scared of dogs fell in love with her, so we kept her.
If I were Ruler of the Universe, animal abuse would be a capital offense.
All of ours are rescues too.
I think we now have a neon sign over our house, that can be seen far and wide by dogs and cats.
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:01:47pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:01:49pm |
re: #118 brookly red
and besides, it was one downding from a questionable source. Now just on the PR value alone do you have any idea what hay some people will try to make from downdinging a freedom statement? not good.
A ‘questionable source’? A ‘freedom statement’? The vocabulary on this is making my ears ring.
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gibsonz Tue, May 18, 2010 9:01:57pm |
There is a nat flying around my screen…perhaps it`s a Marvel comic book character who didn`t make the cut or the ghost of Arlen Specter…///
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:15pm |
re: #184 Cannadian Club Akbar
Drinking on the beach? I’m there.
I need new glasses… I thought you said drinking of the bleach…
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~Fianna Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:32pm |
re: #181 brookly red
we could… it’s after 11:00.
/OK, bite me you impotent liberal cur… is that better?
Great, I leave for dinner just when it starts to get interesting.
*pout*
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abolitionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:37pm |
re: #137 jamesfirecat
We have Division of Church and state written into our constitution do those other countries?
Also the crazy Muslims who want to base our laws off their holy book would first need to deal with the much larger group of crazy Christians already here who want to base our laws off of their holy book!
Somehow, that’s not very comforting. (2nd paragraph.)
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:40pm |
re: #164 reloadingisnotahobby
Humidity much??
Ha!
It’s Atlanta
It’s NOT December, January or February
YOU do the math!
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:42pm |
re: #166 brookly red
nooo but downdinging it to the bottom 10 does kinda make a site look, well bad. now I can see how you would not care but, take one for the team.
Regurgitating platitudes shouldn’t exempt you from a downding. Also, LGF commenters shouldn’t worry about blatant bad faith interpretations of the bottom comments list.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:02:49pm |
re: #128 Spare O’Lake
Sharia Law must never be afforded legitimacy in the domestic legal system…neither in the civil law nor in the criminal law. To do so would be to elevate religious law to a status which is repugnant to the separation of Church and State.
This is what fundamentalist Muslims are already striving for in Britain, in France, in Canada and in other Western countries.
Is the US immune from this onslaught?
I don’t know. Let’s go to a beit din and ask for a ruling.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:03:41pm |
re: #181 brookly red
we could… it’s after 11:00.
/OK, bite me you impotent liberal cur… is that better?
Actually, yes. :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:03:46pm |
re: #136 brookly red
OK, let me say it again… freedom should never be taken for granted. Ever.
you wannna take issue? you got a problem with that?
“And we’ll rally ‘round the flag, boys, we’ll rally once again…”
| 197 |
brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 9:03:47pm |
re: #190 ~Fianna
Great, I leave for dinner just when it starts to get interesting.
*pout*
well we could do “LGF afterdark” for a small fee?
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 9:04:23pm |
re: #177 reine.de.tout
Beginning with this, I guess:
Chris Oynes, MMS Official, To Step Down In Wake Of Gulf Oil Spill
Jolly looking chap, no doubt regulating the offshore drilling industry makes it challenging to stay on a diet, what with all the drinking and dining that goes on.
So he got promoted after a “foul-up” that cost the US taxpayers $10 billion? How comforting to know how efficient these government regulators are in real life.
| 199 |
Taqyia2Me Tue, May 18, 2010 9:04:32pm |
As a Blackhawks fan, I kinda wish I was in San Jose tonight. They’re up 4-1 in the third…
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:04:39pm |
re: #137 jamesfirecat
We have Division of Church and state written into our constitution do those other countries?
Also the crazy Muslims who want to base our laws off their holy book would first need to deal with the much larger group of crazy Christians already here who want to base our laws off of their holy book!
As little as I like Sarah Palin, I think she can take any Muslim theocrat in her weight range, especially if allowed a hockey skate.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, May 18, 2010 9:05:40pm |
re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist
As little as I like Sarah Palin, I think she can take any Muslim theocrat in her weight range, especially if allowed a hockey skate.
But would she take a skate to an IED fight?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:06:13pm |
re: #199 Taqyia2Me
As a Blackhawks fan, I kinda wish I was in San Jose tonight. They’re up 4-1 in the third…
GO HAWKS!! (I have no one to root for, but many here like them) Also, the rays won again today.:)
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:07:01pm |
re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist
As little as I like Sarah Palin, I think she can take any Muslim theocrat in her weight range, especially if allowed a hockey skate.
I believe Muslim theocrats actually read their holy book.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:08:09pm |
re: #204 darthstar
I believe Muslim theocrats actually read their holy book.
Scary—because it’s true.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:08:31pm |
re: #204 darthstar
I believe Muslim theocrats actually read their holy book.
What, you’re planning to make this a Scripture Slam? No, no, one skate to the head, and the dude is OUT.
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:08:52pm |
re: #207 BryanS
Scary—because it’s true.
Not scary, but true. I think Sarah Palin’s probably read as much of the bible as she has of Going Rogue.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:09:58pm |
Hey, it’s a Tuesday night, and I had a lousy day.
(Holds hornets’ nest high over head and lobs.)
Everyone seen www.islamoncapitolhill.com?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 9:10:12pm |
re: #132 Aceofwhat?
yes
Oh goody.
I am heartened by the views expressed here, that the separation clause will keep the misogynistic, intolerant and anti-democratic Shariah Law out of the US legal system.
Are we then also of the view that the immunity is so powerful that it is wrong and even bigoted to criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:10:53pm |
re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist
As little as I like Sarah Palin, I think she can take any Muslim theocrat in her weight range, especially if allowed a hockey skate.
She’d just toss the gloves off, pull their jersey over their head and knee them until the dragged her to the penalty box? :D
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 9:11:41pm |
re: #78 prairiefire
Murtha’s seat stays Democratic!!![Link: hosted.ap.org…]
The RNC has lost 7 consecutive special elections.
This is good for John McCain…right?
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brookly red Tue, May 18, 2010 9:11:59pm |
well I gotta turn in… got a lot of people to oppress tomorrow, dreams to shatter & lives to ruin. It’s hard work being a conservative, thank goodness I outsourced the puppy kicking…
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:12:19pm |
re: #209 darthstar
Not scary, but true. I think Sarah Palin’s probably read as much of the bible as she has of Going Rogue.
I was thinking scary because muslim theocratic DO read what’s in their holy books.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:12:51pm |
re: #213 webevintage
The RNC has lost 7 consecutive special elections.
This is good for John McCain…right?
You DANG RIGHT!! //
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 9:13:01pm |
re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist
“And we’ll rally ‘round the flag, boys, we’ll rally once again…”
Great stuff. Here’s the whole song. Play it when a Neo-Confederate is around and watch ‘em go nuts:
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:14:13pm |
re: #213 webevintage
The RNC has lost 7 consecutive special elections.
This is good for John McCain…right?
It’s part of their strategy of ‘win by losing, then claim victory’…
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:14:38pm |
re: #211 Spare O’Lake
Are we then also of the view that the immunity is so powerful that it is wrong and even bigoted to criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law?
Have you ever met anyone who actually holds this view?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:14:44pm |
re: #128 Spare O’Lake
Sharia Law must never be afforded legitimacy in the domestic legal system…neither in the civil law nor in the criminal law. To do so would be to elevate religious law to a status which is repugnant to the separation of Church and State.
This is what fundamentalist Muslims are already striving for in Britain, in France, in Canada and in other Western countries.
Is the US immune from this onslaught?
I would be far far FAR FAR FAR more worried of a Christian Dominionist theocratic legal system in America than I would be worried about a Sharia legal system in America.
And I’m not worried about a theocracy in America. They nibble around the edges, but they usually get smacked down. That Judge Moore with the insane 10 commandments monument, he got torn an exquisite new ass. What makes you think sharia law has a chance here?
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:14:48pm |
re: #214 brookly red
well I gotta turn in… got a lot of people to oppress tomorrow, dreams to shatter & lives to ruin. It’s hard work being a conservative, thank goodness I outsourced the puppy kicking…
As long as you’re preserving our freedom from the 82nd chairborne.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:15:09pm |
re: #211 Spare O’Lake
Oh goody.
I am heartened by the views expressed here, that the separation clause will keep the misogynistic, intolerant and anti-democratic Shariah Law out of the US legal system.
Are we then also of the view that the immunity is so powerful that it is wrong and even bigoted to criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law?
First amendment protects bigotry—at least it still does. Unlike in, say Canada vis-a-vis their Newspeak-like misnamed Canadian Human Rights Commission.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:15:18pm |
re: #211 Spare O’Lake
Oh goody.
I am heartened by the views expressed here, that the separation clause will keep the misogynistic, intolerant and anti-democratic Shariah Law out of the US legal system.
Are we then also of the view that the immunity is so powerful that it is wrong and even bigoted to criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law?
what is going on with you dude man I don’t even
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:15:24pm |
Democrat Mark Critz beats Republican Tim Burns in Pennsylvania.
Jack Murtha’s old seat in the 12th District of PA remains under Democrat control.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:15:47pm |
re: #214 brookly red
well I gotta turn in… got a lot of people to oppress tomorrow, dreams to shatter & lives to ruin. It’s hard work being a conservative, thank goodness I outsourced the puppy kicking…
You stil club the baby seals yourself though, right?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:16:15pm |
re: #214 brookly red
well I gotta turn in… got a lot of people to oppress tomorrow, dreams to shatter & lives to ruin. It’s hard work being a conservative, thank goodness I outsourced the puppy kicking…
It’s even harder being a liberal. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HARD IT IS TO TURN KIDS GAY THESE DAYS WHEN ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS PLAY XBOX?!?!?
:D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:16:32pm |
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bratwurst Tue, May 18, 2010 9:16:42pm |
2200066757re: #220 WindUpBird
What makes you think sharia law has a chance here?
Well a stealth Muslim DID get elected POTUS, right?
/(just for safety’s sake)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:16:46pm |
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:17:20pm |
I see that was already posted.
Well, not a great night for the GOP. Now they have to carry water for Rand Paul.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:17:45pm |
re: #227 WindUpBird
It’s even harder being a liberal. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HARD IT IS TO TURN KIDS GAY THESE DAYS WHEN ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS PLAY XBOX?!?!?
:D
Uh, gay XBOX games?
/
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:18:02pm |
re: #211 Spare O’Lake
Oh goody.
I am heartened by the views expressed here, that the separation clause will keep the misogynistic, intolerant and anti-democratic Shariah Law out of the US legal system.
Are we then also of the view that the immunity is so powerful that it is wrong and even bigoted to criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law?
First they came for the fawcetts…
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:19:05pm |
re: #232 Gus 802
I see that was already posted.
Well, not a great night for the GOP. Now they have to carry water for Rand Paul.
Wonder if a bruised and battered Blanche Lincoln will wok in the Repubs’ favor. Wonder where politically her opponent is?
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pingjockey Tue, May 18, 2010 9:19:34pm |
G’night folks.
Here’s a little thought, why is it in politics we get the Rands, dad and son, whereas in baseball we get the Griffeys, dad and Junior. Methinks the gene pool in baseball is better than in politics.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:34pm |
re: #236 pingjockey
G’night folks.
Here’s a little thought, why is it in politics we get the Rands, dad and son, whereas in baseball we get the Griffeys, dad and Junior. Methinks the gene pool in baseball is better than in politics.
Was the ‘Rands’ a mistake or a joke?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:45pm |
re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t know. Let’s go to a beit din and ask for a ruling.
In Ontario, Canada when we recently sent Sharia Law packing, one of the concerns was that the ability of Jews to use the Beit Din would be compromised. So far that has not happened but if it does then it will IMO be worth it - to keep repugnant religious laws out of our legal system.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:20:58pm |
re: #211 Spare O’Lake
Oh goody.
I am heartened by the views expressed here, that the separation clause will keep the misogynistic, intolerant and anti-democratic Shariah Law out of the US legal system.
Are we then also of the view that the immunity is so powerful that it is wrong and even bigoted to criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law?
Hmmm.
There are, as was discussed this morning, many religious groups in the United States, my own being one of them, that have a form of religious law or stringent internal rules.
I am not opposed to opposing specific items and articles from within these codes. I myself have been known to go on a tear about the rabbinic courts mealy-mouthed handling of agunah issues, for example, both in the United States and Israel.
However, I do, in fact, think it is inappropriate to “criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law”. Chabad has spent generations advocating strict adherence by all Jews to halacha. The bishops of the United States advocate the adherence of all Catholics to canon law.
I think that you are deliberately casting Sharia as a pending threat, and acting as though it is somehow a discrete entity from Islam. I don’t think this is a particularly clear or knowledgeable stance. If you have specific social or legal concerns, I’m happy to discuss them, but when you say “Sharia! What are we going to do?” my only thought is, “Huh? What do we need to do?”
And no, I don’t think a mosque telling people to adhere to the rules of their faith is wrong, although I may not like some of those rules. I also don’t think it’s wrong for a hard-shell Baptist church to tell women not to wear pants, or congregants not to dance, although I may think those rules are silly and somewhat oppressive. Not all religions are gonna be to everyone’s taste.
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:21:59pm |
re: #237 Nimed
Was the ‘Rands’ a mistake or a joke?
Baseball is meritocratic. Politics is nepotistic.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:22:08pm |
re: #236 pingjockey
G’night folks.
Here’s a little thought, why is it in politics we get the Rands, dad and son, whereas in baseball we get the Griffeys, dad and Junior. Methinks the gene pool in baseball is better than in politics.
FWIW, I graduated with Brian McCrae. Hal’s son. Heh.(sp?)
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:22:34pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:08pm |
So.
Let’s imagine what a parallel religious court system might look like in America.
Let’s imagine it challenged immediately.
Which it would be.
Because this is America.
Let’s imagine it before the Supreme Court.
Let’s cue the theme from Monday Night Football.
And then let’s imagine the S*C*O*T*U*S taking it, holding it up, examining it, smiling, and nodding to the counsel before spraypainting ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE BALLS DEEP and punting it over the horizon to the cheers of football fans the nation over.
I know the drill, we all gotta freak the hell out about the evil radical 720-on-the-half-pipe muslim invasion come to kick our doors down and rape us in half and eat our children but it ain’t gonna happen here guys
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:21pm |
re: #235 BryanS
Wonder if a bruised and battered Blanche Lincoln will wok in the Repubs’ favor. Wonder where politically her opponent is?
I haven’t really looked into that race. She’s already rather bruised so anything can happen in the run-off. Quick guess? Bill Halter might be better to go against a GOP candidate.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:26pm |
re: #238 Spare O’Lake
In Ontario, Canada when we recently sent Sharia Law packing, one of the concerns was that the ability of Jews to use the Beit Din would be compromised. So far that has not happened but if it does then it will IMO be worth it - to keep repugnant religious laws out of our legal system.
Explain to me what happened in Ontario.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 9:23:59pm |
re: #219 Nimed
Have you ever met anyone who actually holds this view?
I was harangued and severely ankle-bit by several yesterday.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:08pm |
re: #246 Spare O’Lake
I was harangued and severely ankle-bit by several yesterday.
But I thought you liked that.
“Thank you sir may I have another!”
/
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:11pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmmm.
There are, as was discussed this morning, many religious groups in the United States, my own being one of them, that have a form of religious law or stringent internal rules.
I am not opposed to opposing specific items and articles from within these codes. I myself have been known to go on a tear about the rabbinic courts mealy-mouthed handling of agunah issues, for example, both in the United States and Israel.
However, I do, in fact, think it is inappropriate to “criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law”. Chabad has spent generations advocating strict adherence by all Jews to halacha. The bishops of the United States advocate the adherence of all Catholics to canon law.
I think that you are deliberately casting Sharia as a pending threat, and acting as though it is somehow a discrete entity from Islam. I don’t think this is a particularly clear or knowledgeable stance. If you have specific social or legal concerns, I’m happy to discuss them, but when you say “Sharia! What are we going to do?” my only thought is, “Huh? What do we need to do?”
And no, I don’t think a mosque telling people to adhere to the rules of their faith is wrong, although I may not like some of those rules. I also don’t think it’s wrong for a hard-shell Baptist church to tell women not to wear pants, or congregants not to dance, although I may think those rules are silly and somewhat oppressive. Not all religions are gonna be to everyone’s taste.
Sums it up so succinctly. Also clarifies to me how some select “the other religion” as bad without a glance at the others.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:30pm |
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:47pm |
re: #235 BryanS
Wonder if a bruised and battered Blanche Lincoln will wok in the Repubs’ favor. Wonder where politically her opponent is?
Halter is the progressive candidate and has a real shot to take her down now because runoffs always favor the most enthusiastic.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:25:58pm |
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gibsonz Tue, May 18, 2010 9:26:49pm |
Hmm…I wonder if Redbull and Vodka will ever be considered a “political avenue” or only a concept…perhaps I should ponder this without the Redbull and Voidka…///
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 9:27:24pm |
re: #254 Irenicum
As I walk away slowly and begin to lose my limp.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:28:14pm |
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:28:24pm |
re: #246 Spare O’Lake
I was harangued and severely ankle-bit by several yesterday.
Conflict between US laws and religious norms isn’t exactly new. What happened to, say, polygamy?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:28:45pm |
re: #250 Stanley Sea
here?
We failed to scream appropriately at the mere mention of Sharia.
OK, here’s an article about Ontario.
What I don’t get is this:
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty was reacting to a recommendation, by former NDP attorney general Marion Boyd, to allow Muslims to establish Shariah-based tribunals similar to Jewish and Catholic arbitration bodies
First, I don’t think the government should have anything to say about this. Religious law exists separately from, and must defer to, civil law. Secondly, I don’t understand how, if you acknowledge some religious bodies you can reject others. I come to this, clearly, from an American’s perspective. This seems to me to clearly favor Judaism and Catholicism over Islam.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:29:10pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
Sharia law—depending on who gets to implement—includes many steps back on the treatment of women for instance. I feel it’s only appropriate to criticize. Certainly Americans have a constitutional right to criticize such, but my advocacy as a non-believer would be to ignore all authority of religion when choosing how to conduct your life.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:29:22pm |
re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist
We failed to scream appropriately at the mere mention of Sharia.
We need an LGF Sharia Death Panic Blog just for the panicking. :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:29:23pm |
re: #257 Nimed
Conflict between US laws and religious norms isn’t exactly new. What happened to, say, polygamy?
The Mormons gave it up so they could have a state, basically. Nu, people adapt.
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 9:29:32pm |
re: #251 recusancy
I seriously have been reading/watching way too much Glenny! I saw your post and I actually read Halter the progressive candidate read as Hitler. Wow.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:30:55pm |
re: #260 BryanS
Sharia law—depending on who gets to implement—includes many steps back on the treatment of women for instance. I feel it’s only appropriate to criticize. Certainly Americans have a constitutional right to criticize such, but my advocacy as a non-believer would be to ignore all authority of religion when choosing how to conduct your life.
As a semi-observant Jew, my advocacy would be to let me make my own damn decisions.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:30:58pm |
re: #244 Gus 802
I haven’t really looked into that race. She’s already rather bruised so anything can happen in the run-off. Quick guess? Bill Halter might be better to go against a GOP candidate.
Senator Lincoln pulled through—was curious who the GOP candidate was. I think it’s better for the GOP that she won her primary. Question is, will the GOP be better for Arkansas and the US Senate.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:31:50pm |
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:32:19pm |
re: #265 BryanS
Senator Lincoln pulled through—was curious who the GOP candidate was. I think it’s better for the GOP that she won her primary. Question is, will the GOP be better for Arkansas and the US Senate.
She didn’t win. It’s going to a run off June 8th.
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 9:32:26pm |
re: #244 Gus 802
I haven’t really looked into that race. She’s already rather bruised so anything can happen in the run-off. Quick guess? Bill Halter might be better to go against a GOP candidate.
I just listened to Miz Blanche and man, she does sound a bit shell shocked.
Halter was polling about 10 points down from where he ended up tonight which (or so Kos says) means the undecideds voted for him.
He’s a left of center Dem, not a Blue Dog like Blanche.
BUT I bet Blanche is gonna pull out all the stops in the next 3 weeks reminding voters that she is the Chairman of the Ag Committie and will be able to “get things done” for Arkansans.
I like Halter, I voted for him and I’ll vote for him in the runoff but really I just want to keep that jerk Boozman out of the Senate.
And Lord don’t get me started on Rove’s boy Tim Griffin….
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 9:33:02pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmmm.
There are, as was discussed this morning, many religious groups in the United States, my own being one of them, that have a form of religious law or stringent internal rules.
I am not opposed to opposing specific items and articles from within these codes. I myself have been known to go on a tear about the rabbinic courts mealy-mouthed handling of agunah issues, for example, both in the United States and Israel.
However, I do, in fact, think it is inappropriate to “criticize advocacy of strict adherence by all Muslims to Shariah Law”. Chabad has spent generations advocating strict adherence by all Jews to halacha. The bishops of the United States advocate the adherence of all Catholics to canon law.
I think that you are deliberately casting Sharia as a pending threat, and acting as though it is somehow a discrete entity from Islam. I don’t think this is a particularly clear or knowledgeable stance. If you have specific social or legal concerns, I’m happy to discuss them, but when you say “Sharia! What are we going to do?” my only thought is, “Huh? What do we need to do?”
And no, I don’t think a mosque telling people to adhere to the rules of their faith is wrong, although I may not like some of those rules. I also don’t think it’s wrong for a hard-shell Baptist church to tell women not to wear pants, or congregants not to dance, although I may think those rules are silly and somewhat oppressive. Not all religions are gonna be to everyone’s taste.
Here’s the rub: many of the basic tenets of Shariah law are repugnant to our domestic civil and criminal laws. For example:
1. Requirement of women to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms;
2. Beating of disobedient woman and girls;
3. Execution of homosexuals;
4. Engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages;
5. Requirement of the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape;
6. Stoning of adulteresses;
7. Lashing of adulterers;
8. Amputation of body parts for criminal offenses;
9. Female genital mutilation;
10. Capital punishment for those who slander or insult Islam;
11. Execution of apostates, or those that leave the religion of Islam
12. Inferior status for all non-Muslims, known as Dhimmitude.
13. Concept of Taquiyya: A Muslim may lie or deceive others to advance the cause of Islam.
So let’s not kid ourselves here.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:33:06pm |
re: #265 BryanS
Senator Lincoln pulled through—was curious who the GOP candidate was. I think it’s better for the GOP that she won her primary. Question is, will the GOP be better for Arkansas and the US Senate.
I don’t know. Arkansas has morphed into sort of a swing state. Although many would say that Governor Huckabee was only elected by pretending to be a Southern Democrat.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 9:33:28pm |
re: #224 Gus 802
Democrat Mark Critz beats Republican Tim Burns in Pennsylvania.
Jack Murtha’s old seat in the 12th District of PA remains under Democrat control.
That stinks. I thought Burns had a chance.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:33:37pm |
re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist
The Mormons gave it up so they could have a state, basically. Nu, people adapt.
Sorry, should have expressed that better. Rhetorical question fail. :p
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 9:33:58pm |
Hey, speaking of Glenn “apocalyptic rodeo clown” Beck, I’m sure this has already been posted, but it’s stinkin’ hilarious. Colbert’s Glenn to the mountaintop clip is priceless.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:34:16pm |
re: #271 Dark_Falcon
That stinks. I thought Burns had a chance.
That’s a Democratic party stronghold. Kind of tough for a Republican to win.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:34:48pm |
re: #264 SanFranciscoZionist
As a semi-observant Jew, my advocacy would be to let me make my own damn decisions.
Yes, so long is it is your own damn decision. When sharia law is implemented even within a culture inside another country, I think there are serious and legitimate questions whether the adherence to sharia is voluntary for everyone in said community. This is especially concerning when people try to leave the faith face threats of violence.
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:35:12pm |
re: #274 Gus 802
That’s a Democratic party stronghold. Kind of tough for a Republican to win.
McCain won it in 08. It was the only district to switch from blue to red from 04 to 08.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:35:21pm |
re: #269 Spare O’Lake
It doesn’t matter, Spare.
Because Sharia Law will not be implemented here. All these things are illegal in these United States.
(why GOD WHY DOESN’T HE UNDERSTAND WHY WHYWHYWHYWHY why why why why)
why
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:36:04pm |
re: #267 recusancy
She didn’t win. It’s going to a run off June 8th.
Ahhh, yeah. That’s right—forgot she needed to get a majority to avoid runoff.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:36:12pm |
re: #275 Irenicum
One of the best movies evah!
The explosion at the beginning and the end were the same. Brilliant!!!
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:36:35pm |
re: #269 Spare O’Lake
Here’s the rub: many of the basic tenets of Shariah law are repugnant to our domestic civil and criminal laws. For example:
1. Requirement of women to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms;
2. Beating of disobedient woman and girls;
3. Execution of homosexuals;
4. Engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages;
5. Requirement of the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape;
6. Stoning of adulteresses;
7. Lashing of adulterers;
8. Amputation of body parts for criminal offenses;
9. Female genital mutilation;
10. Capital punishment for those who slander or insult Islam;
11. Execution of apostates, or those that leave the religion of Islam
12. Inferior status for all non-Muslims, known as Dhimmitude.
13. Concept of Taquiyya: A Muslim may lie or deceive others to advance the cause of Islam.So let’s not kid ourselves here.
Hu, almost every item of this list is illegal. What is it you’re worried about here?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:36:44pm |
re: #276 BryanS
Yes, so long is it is your own damn decision. When sharia law is implemented even within a culture inside another country, I think there are serious and legitimate questions whether the adherence to sharia is voluntary for everyone in said community. This is especially concerning when people try to leave the faith face threats of violence.
If it’s implemented here, it’s called capital murder, assault, all kinds of stuff. We have words for those things. They’re called crimes. CRIIIIMMMEESS
Why don’t people get this?
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 9:37:13pm |
re: #282 WindUpBird
If it’s implemented here, it’s called capital murder, assault, all kinds of stuff. We have words for those things. They’re called crimes. CRIIIMMMEESS
Why don’t people get this?
Fear trumps logic.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:37:24pm |
re: #277 recusancy
McCain won it in 08. It was the only district to switch from blue to red from 04 to 08.
Don’t they have another election in November? That is Burns vs. Critz?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:37:32pm |
re: #281 Nimed
Hu, almost every item of this list is illegal. What is it you’re worried about here?
It’s really something, isn’t it?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:38:02pm |
re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar
The explosion at the beginning and the end were the same. Brilliant!!!
Actually, the ending is called the “resolve”. My bad.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 9:38:25pm |
re: #278 WindUpBird
It doesn’t matter, Spare.
Because Sharia Law will not be implemented here. All these things are illegal in these United States.
(why GOD WHY DOESN’T HE UNDERSTAND WHY WHYWHYWHYWHY why why why why)
why
So just to be clear: It is wrong to criticize this barbaric religious legal code in the US because…it can never happen here.
Is that it?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:38:36pm |
re: #283 Stanley Sea
Fear trumps logic.
But this is like fear trumping gravity. It’s fear trumping the most shit-simple dull-ass obvious facts on earth.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:39:35pm |
re: #270 Gus 802
I don’t know. Arkansas has morphed into sort of a swing state. Although many would say that Governor Huckabee was only elected by pretending to be a Southern Democrat.
It’s not really swing if the Dems are centrist—kinda like saying Maine is swing because both senators are GOP. Except for health care reform, Lincoln would be the best candidate.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 9:39:36pm |
re: #288 WindUpBird
But this is like fear trumping gravity. It’s fear trumping the most shit-simple dull-ass obvious facts on earth.
It’s biiiig fear. Hell I don’t know. It’s a theme.
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 9:39:59pm |
Not to belabor the Beck theme (I would never do that!), I think that Colbert has actually provided a public service (once again) that Beck is moving from rodeo clown entertainer to certifiable cult leader.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:40:59pm |
re: #269 Spare O’Lake
Here’s the rub: many of the basic tenets of Shariah law are repugnant to our domestic civil and criminal laws. For example:
1. Requirement of women to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms;
2. Beating of disobedient woman and girls;
3. Execution of homosexuals;
4. Engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages;
5. Requirement of the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape;
6. Stoning of adulteresses;
7. Lashing of adulterers;
8. Amputation of body parts for criminal offenses;
9. Female genital mutilation;
10. Capital punishment for those who slander or insult Islam;
11. Execution of apostates, or those that leave the religion of Islam
12. Inferior status for all non-Muslims, known as Dhimmitude.
13. Concept of Taquiyya: A Muslim may lie or deceive others to advance the cause of Islam.So let’s not kid ourselves here.
I don’t even know where to begin.
First, interpreted in the style you present, I could give you a similar hellacious list from the strict halacha but that isn’t how people interpret or rule.
Clearly, Sharia cannot and will not supercede American or Canadian law. No one is going to give Muslims permission to beat their wives or execute those who leave the the faith because it might have been accepted in the old country.
In practice, it does not. What’s the last time a Muslim leader in the west told someone to amputate a thief’s hand? Seriously?
Your list shows ignorance. For example, FGM is not required by Sharia, it’s a cultural custom which is only mentioned in the Hadith in the context of Mohammed showing some reserve about endorsing it.
You’re honestly on a paranoid tear here, and I don’t know what to tell you, except that you’re letting your distaste for Islam build up into something that doesn’t strike me as realistic or informed.
Now, if you have evidence that this mosque in New York is telling people to disregard the laws of New York and the United States, and setting up a theocratic Murder Inc., give it to us, and I will be concerned. So far you’ve shown nothing except deep, deep concern.
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 9:41:22pm |
re: #289 BryanS
It’s not really swing if the Dems are centrist—kinda like saying Maine is swing because both senators are GOP. Except for health care reform, Lincoln would be the best candidate.
Of course I think Blanche and her stand against the public option is what motivated a good number of Dems to vote against her today.
Plus Halter got us a lottery….
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:41:32pm |
re: #272 Nimed
Sorry, should have expressed that better. Rhetorical question fail. :p
Sorry. I can be breathtakingly literal some days.
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:41:59pm |
re: #293 webevintage
Of course I think Blanche and her stand against the public option is what motivated a good number of Dems to vote against her today.
Plus Halter got us a lottery…
Halter has a ton of support from the net roots.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:42:03pm |
re: #277 recusancy
McCain won it in 08. It was the only district to switch from blue to red from 04 to 08.
That was the clingers to guns and god comment thing coming back to haunt Obama.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:42:20pm |
I was gonna exit by saying I was gonna eat a pork chop and some taters. But I think I will have a bowl of Red Berry Special K. I will save the infidel food for breakfast. Starting the day off being evil really works. Bwhahahaha!!! Nighty.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:42:21pm |
re: #276 BryanS
Yes, so long is it is your own damn decision. When sharia law is implemented even within a culture inside another country, I think there are serious and legitimate questions whether the adherence to sharia is voluntary for everyone in said community. This is especially concerning when people try to leave the faith face threats of violence.
That’s also true in some haredi communities, and I oppose it. But I don’t think that you can hinder the free expression of religion on those grounds.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 9:42:26pm |
re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist
Hell, I favorited this one. Will need again, I’m sure.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:06pm |
re: #287 Spare O’Lake
So just to be clear: It is wrong to criticize this barbaric religious legal code in the US because…it can never happen here.
Is that it?
Oh, you can criticize it. And your concern that there is an imminent danger of those laws being implemented in the US can also be criticized. All is well, really.
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freetoken Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:08pm |
re: #291 Irenicum
Beck has no where else to go, theatrically. He’s played pretty much every paranoid card out there except the persecuted messiah complex… and perhaps he’s realized that is where he must go?
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:27pm |
mmmyummmy pad thai and 24. No Jack, don’t do that! Hey, pass some more pepper sauce..
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darthstar Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:41pm |
re: #269 Spare O’Lake
You really need to take a vacation to a Muslim country…just for a week or two…then you’ll stop being so paranoid about the US turning into a third world country where the women wear burqas and the men walk around in robes and sandals and all the streets are no longer paved.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:46pm |
re: #282 WindUpBird
If it’s implemented here, it’s called capital murder, assault, all kinds of stuff. We have words for those things. They’re called crimes. CRIIIMMMEESS
Why don’t people get this?
Not everything has to be codified in law. I agree, it won’t become the law here. My comment was more about the threat sharia law within a subculture—that is still a problem.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:46pm |
They’re taking over!
Once you legalize marijuana there will be crack heads walking the streets and lawlessness!
//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:43:51pm |
re: #287 Spare O’Lake
So just to be clear: It is wrong to criticize this barbaric religious legal code in the US because…it can never happen here.
Is that it?
Criticize it all you want! You repeat yourself daily. You repeat yourself so much I wonder if you have a cut-and-paste file you draw from.
But when you’re legitimately worried about Sharia law happening here? Institutional Sharia law? Codified into US laws? Like executing people on religious grounds? Legal? In the US?
Look, there are a lot of people on LGF who really really piss me off.
You don’t really piss me off, though.
You actually baffle me and confuse me to the point of frustration. I simply cannot understand why you’re so consumed, so obsessed, so preoccupied with notions that are impossible barring an actual invasion and conquer of the United States. It’s like I’m arguing with a computer from a Star Trek episode programmed to do something millenia ago. And after all these months, I’m no closer to understanding why it is you behave in this manner.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 9:44:18pm |
re: #125 Bagua
Today’s update on the MC252 oil well incident in the Gulf.
The “riser insertion tube tool (RITT)” is now estimated to be capturing 2,000 barrels a day of oil which is being stored on the drill ship. The methane is being burnt, a process called flaring.
That is an unknown fraction of the leak that is estimated to be spewing 85% of the gas/oil mixture. BP definitely found a lot of both.
They are apparently not even trying to capture the 15% issuing from the leak right above the BOP stack. As we know, BP, the Coast Guard, and the drilling industry in general were all caught unprepared for the
impossiblelikely blow out and failure of the Cameron TL double BOP.Two rigs are drilling away at the two relief wells which could kill the MC252 well. End of July is likely the earliest these could try to intersect the MC252 well. Both could run into problems and fail.
The big hope is that they will be able to top kill the gusher in the meantime. By injecting heavy enough mud to allow them to plug it with cement, which was (sans two cement plugs) where we were before they decided to take a short-cut and save a few bucks. They are also considering injecting debris into the BOP to try to clog it as part of the “top kill” operation.
Most of the equipment for the top kill is said to be on-site and the maneouvre could take place in the next week or two.
As I have posted in previous threads, the “siphon” (it can’t be a siphon) can only recover 4 - 5% of the spill based on flow rate and the areal coverage of the pipe. If BP is saying that 2,000 bbls per day is what they are recovering, that means that the release is 80 - 100,000 bbls per day.
Ouch.
Obviously, BP does not want to release the extent of the release, because they have to pay royalties on every barrel of oil and every cubic foot of gas that is released.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 9:45:13pm |
re: #273 Irenicum
Hey, speaking of Glenn “apocalyptic rodeo clown” Beck, I’m sure this has already been posted, but it’s stinkin’ hilarious. Colbert’s Glenn to the mountaintop clip is priceless.
Colbert always nails Beck. It’s become routine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:45:28pm |
re: #287 Spare O’Lake
So just to be clear: It is wrong to criticize this barbaric religious legal code in the US because…it can never happen here.
Is that it?
Because it’s not practiced in the form you describe anywhere in the Western world, and it won’t be.
However, if U.S. Muslims would rather go to a Muslim legal expert to arrange religious, family or civil matters, or if U.S. Muslims attempt to closely follow the requirements of their faith in private life, I cannot imagine why the hell this is any of my business.
I have a ketubah on my wall. Should I have to have the Mishna and Gemara on marriage and divorce examined by a gentile before I’m allowed to enter into a religious marriage?
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:45:53pm |
re: #293 webevintage
Of course I think Blanche and her stand against the public option is what motivated a good number of Dems to vote against her today.
Plus Halter got us a lottery…
The crazy left can eat their own too. Guess it’s not just tea partiers who do that.
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:46:39pm |
re: #311 BryanS
The crazy left can eat their own too. Guess it’s not just tea partiers who do that.
Halter is not the crazy left.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:47:29pm |
re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s also true in some haredi communities, and I oppose it. But I don’t think that you can hinder the free expression of religion on those grounds.
I think if someone is trapped by a religious community, they no longer have the freedom to conduct their own lives. Don’t know what provision in law would make that illegal—it’s not quite slavery—but it sure strips people of liberty. That should be illegal in my view.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:47:29pm |
re: #290 Stanley Sea
It’s biiig fear. Hell I don’t know. It’s a theme.
I guess I’m just not on the same planet as that dude. I exist at right angles to his entire universe because I spend most of my day thinking of stuff like “how can I get this client’s work done before 2am” and “I totally want a steak tonight!’ and “Man, that’s a pretty sweet GTI with those BBS wheels parked outside the Music Millenium.”
I spend more time thinking about my ass hairs than I do about Sharia Law. I spend more time thinking about Lady Gaga’s wardrobe, I spend more time thinking about Bleu Cheese.
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sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 9:47:40pm |
re: #269 Spare O’Lake
Here’s the rub: many of the basic tenets of Shariah law are repugnant to our domestic civil and criminal laws. For example:
1. Requirement of women to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms;
2. Beating of disobedient woman and girls;
3. Execution of homosexuals;
4. Engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages;
5. Requirement of the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape;
6. Stoning of adulteresses;
7. Lashing of adulterers;
8. Amputation of body parts for criminal offenses;
9. Female genital mutilation;
10. Capital punishment for those who slander or insult Islam;
11. Execution of apostates, or those that leave the religion of Islam
12. Inferior status for all non-Muslims, known as Dhimmitude.
13. Concept of Taquiyya: A Muslim may lie or deceive others to advance the cause of Islam.So let’s not kid ourselves here.
So if you execute an apostate, the Sharia Court will smile upon you, and the State of Colorado or wherever will convict you of murder and sentence you for it.
Everyone gets what they want, everyone’s happy.
On a question of whether your restaurant can rightfully declare itself halal, the sharia court will make a ruling in accord with sharia law, and the state of colorado will refuse to even consider the question because they don’t care.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 9:47:53pm |
re: #311 BryanS
The crazy left can eat their own too. Guess it’s not just tea partiers who do that.
There’s not a lot of crazy left in Arkysaw. Far from it. Blue dog State.
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 9:48:23pm |
re: #301 freetoken
It really doesn’t surprise me actually. He already has all of the ingredients at hand: Special revelation from god himself, a previous conversion experience, a book that “explains everything” (Skousen), and a dedicated following of millions. Truly a recipe for disaster if ever I saw one.
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 9:48:23pm |
re: #311 BryanS
The crazy left can eat their own too. Guess it’s not just tea partiers who do that.
Except Halter is not a crazy lefty.
He is center left.
If he was crazy left he would have never won a statewide office in Arkansas.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:48:29pm |
re: #305 BryanS
Not everything has to be codified in law. I agree, it won’t become the law here. My comment was more about the threat sharia law within a subculture—that is still a problem.
Could be, but if I got freaking out here about the threat posed by strict religious rulings in very devout Protestant communities here, people would call me a bigot, and they’d be right.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:49:52pm |
re: #313 BryanS
I think if someone is trapped by a religious community, they no longer have the freedom to conduct their own lives. Don’t know what provision in law would make that illegal—it’s not quite slavery—but it sure strips people of liberty. That should be illegal in my view.
Fair view, but we’re getting away here from anything specific to Islam.
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 9:49:58pm |
re: #290 Stanley Sea
It’s biiig fear. Hell I don’t know. It’s a theme.
A hawt mooslim woman is Miss America.
Next stop sharia law…..
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:50:04pm |
re: #312 recusancy
Halter is not the crazy left.
Don’t know him—I assume you are correct in saying so. It was the crazy left though who targeted Lincoln in this primary, though, simply because she opposed the public option.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 9:50:37pm |
re: #321 webevintage
A hawt mooslim woman is Miss America.
Next stop sharia law…
Yes, because now we understand why they have to be covered up!!11!
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 9:50:51pm |
re: #321 webevintage
A hawt mooslim woman is Miss
AmericaUSA.
Next stop sharia law…
FTFY. Otherwise someone will start talking about that mistake for the next hour.
/
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:00pm |
re: #322 BryanS
Don’t know him—I assume you are correct in saying so. It was the crazy left though who targeted Lincoln in this primary, though, simply because she opposed the public option.
Who’s the crazy left? I think you think that anybody left of center is the crazy left.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:22pm |
re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist
Could be, but if I got freaking out here about the threat posed by strict religious rulings in very devout Protestant communities here, people would call me a bigot, and they’d be right.
It’s different because they blew up the twin towers, and the tribal rules say we must hate them forever because they’re the bad guys.
White guys get to blow up Federal buildings because they’re the good guys.
Their guys? Our guys!
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:26pm |
hey, look, it’s the Tuesday Night Proggie Thread. Is sharia law the best we can do for stirring up trouble?
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:29pm |
re: #305 BryanS
Not everything has to be codified in law. I agree, it won’t become the law here. My comment was more about the threat sharia law within a subculture—that is still a problem.
In the US? The Constitution absolutely prevents it! Your fears are fever dreams.
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freetoken Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:36pm |
re: #317 Irenicum
Beck was really playing the persecution card yesterday. I expect we will see much more of it if critics pile on, and as American politics becomes even more intense leading up to the 2012 election.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:51:44pm |
re: #325 recusancy
Who’s the crazy left? I think you think that anybody left of center is the crazy left.
hahaha yes
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 9:52:02pm |
re: #312 recusancy
Halter is not the crazy left.
I think BryanS means that the left can eat moderate Democrats just as the right can eat moderate Republicans.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 9:52:52pm |
re: #331 Dark_Falcon
I think BryanS means that the left can eat moderate Democrats just as the right can eat moderate Republicans.
Not w/ Obama as President.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:52:59pm |
re: #321 webevintage
A hawt mooslim woman is Miss America.
Next stop sharia law…
People are being really, really mean about her. Is it just that winning Miss USA is like being crowned the hottest girl in school, and after that, everyone has to try to tear you down? I don’t get it.
Sister Toldjah did this little bit about “What does Rima Fakih have in common with President Obama? They both won something they didn’t deserve.”
Like, WTF? She’s a pretty girl with a skinny figure and shiny hair. She walks well in high heels and can babble about world peace or working with children or something. Suddenly you need special qualifications beyond that to be Miss USA?
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 9:53:08pm |
re: #324 Gus 802
FTFY. Otherwise someone will start talking about that mistake for the next hour.
/
He’s watching LOST
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 9:53:14pm |
re: #324 Gus 802
FTFY. Otherwise someone will start talking about that mistake for the next hour.
/
I was sternly reprimanded the other night for that mistake. Excuse the hell out of me. I guess Miss America would never be caught pole dancing.
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 9:53:28pm |
re: #322 BryanS
Don’t know him—I assume you are correct in saying so. It was the crazy left though who targeted Lincoln in this primary, though, simply because she opposed the public option.
I’m not crazy left, but I’m tired of having a Senator who is a Blue Dog and was one of the reasons there is no option for a public option within health care reform.
I have other issue with Miz Blanche besides that, but it was the cherry on the top.
Maybe it is just a difference of opinion, but more the the “crazy left” supported a public option.
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 9:53:40pm |
So is the walkaway in tonight’s elections that both parties moved to their respective fringes more?
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:54:28pm |
re: #337 Irenicum
So is the walkaway in tonight’s elections that both parties moved to their respective fringes more?
no.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:54:30pm |
re: #326 WindUpBird
It’s different because they blew up the twin towers, and the tribal rules say we must hate them forever because they’re the bad guys.
White guys get to blow up Federal buildings because they’re the good guys.
Their guys? Our guys!
See, I think this is where I start to get very wary, because just about everything that people say about Islam, I’ve heard about Judaism. When I start to hear the same themes replayed, I get very, very suspicious.
My ox is standing near the ox that is being gored.
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gibsonz Tue, May 18, 2010 9:54:54pm |
re: #335 cliffsterI guess Miss America would never be caught pole dancing…. we can only hope…///
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:54:59pm |
re: #327 cliffster
hey, look, it’s the Tuesday Night Proggie Thread. Is sharia law the best we can do for stirring up trouble?
I tried to get people interested in [Link: www.islamoncapitolhill.com,…] but no one bit.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:04pm |
re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist
People are being really, really mean about her. Is it just that winning Miss USA is like being crowned the hottest girl in school, and after that, everyone has to try to tear you down? I don’t get it.
Sister Toldjah did this little bit about “What does Rima Fakih have in common with President Obama? They both won something they didn’t deserve.”
Like, WTF? She’s a pretty girl with a skinny figure and shiny hair. She walks well in high heels and can babble about world peace or working with children or something. Suddenly you need special qualifications beyond that to be Miss USA?
Chait dixit:
First, what is the matter with these people that they complain about the outcome of a beauty pageant? How can you take this seriously as some kind of meritocratic process? And second, are there any prominent conservative women who did not compete in beauty pageants when they were young?
[Link: www.tnr.com…]
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:09pm |
re: #332 austin_blue
Not w/ Obama as President.
I dunno. Lincoln just came in second in your neighbor state and Spector got bounced in the Keystone State. Looks like a push to the left to me.
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:13pm |
re: #337 Irenicum
So is the walkaway in tonight’s elections that both parties moved to their respective fringes more?
Can you really compare Sestak or Halter to Rand Paul?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:15pm |
I am worried that there is a politically correct groupthink at work here which precludes criticism of those who advocate for Sharia in the USA. When a Mosque’s web site implores readers to follow and proselytize Sharia, just what is it that you all think they are advocating - a tea party (sic)?
I’m glad that you all think there is nothing to worry about from jihadism in the USA, and that you can all smugly sit back and chuckle at the outlandish religious customs without any concern for the Muslim victims.
I learned my lesson in Canada when we came within a hair’s breadth of having Sharia matrimonial law recognized and enforced by our civil courts. Noone was worried here either, until it was almost too late for the many Muslim women who are routinely pressured and intimidated into submitting to Sharia arbitrators.
Good night.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:16pm |
re: #305 BryanS
Not everything has to be codified in law. I agree, it won’t become the law here. My comment was more about the threat sharia law within a subculture—that is still a problem.
The goal posts of this Sharia Law exchange (it’s too stupid to be called a discussion) have been moved so fucking far they’re not even in the stadium anymore. You moved the goal posts outside Lambeau Field, halfway across Wisconsin, and the goal posts are now scrap metal in someone’s basement pub in Madison
And now the Pabst tap doesn’t work.
:/
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:17pm |
re: #337 Irenicum
So is the walkaway in tonight’s elections that both parties moved to their respective fringes more?
Oh crap. Totally forgot about that tonight.
And I see Rand Paul won…
*puts on Sam Becket voice* Oh boy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:55:58pm |
re: #331 Dark_Falcon
I think BryanS means that the left can eat moderate Democrats just as the right can eat moderate Republicans.
We’re just not very good at it 8-)
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:56:26pm |
re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist
Fair view, but we’re getting away here from anything specific to Islam.
Those who want to leave the faith are often threatened with death. The potential for honor killings would certainly be a concern. Again, this would still be illegal, but hard core Jews/Christians/Scientologists/Zoroastrarians/etc don’t typically threaten physical harm to those who leave.
If a religious community ruled for instance that females in their community were not allowed to have employment in certain roles, for instance. Shouldn’t they be subject to discrimination law?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:56:41pm |
re: #346 Spare O’Lake
I am worried that there is a politically correct groupthink at work here which precludes criticism of those who advocate for Sharia in the USA. When a Mosque’s web site implores readers to follow and proselytize Sharia, just what is it that you all think they are advocating - a tea party (sic)?
I’m glad that you all think there is nothing to worry about from jihadism in the USA, and that you can all smugly sit back and chuckle at the outlandish religious customs without any concern for the Muslim victims.
I learned my lesson in Canada when we came within a hair’s breadth of having Sharia matrimonial law recognized and enforced by our civil courts. Noone was worried here either, until it was almost too late for the many Muslim women who are routinely pressured and intimidated into submitting to Sharia arbitrators.
Good night.
GOD DAMN YOU NEVER EVER EVER STOP
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 9:56:49pm |
re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist
People are being really, really mean about her. Is it just that winning Miss USA is like being crowned the hottest girl in school, and after that, everyone has to try to tear you down? I don’t get it.
Sister Toldjah did this little bit about “What does Rima Fakih have in common with President Obama? They both won something they didn’t deserve.”
Like, WTF? She’s a pretty girl with a skinny figure and shiny hair. She walks well in high heels and can babble about world peace or working with children or something. Suddenly you need special qualifications beyond that to be Miss USA?
She’s gorgeous isn’t she? A secular Arab of Lebanese parents, completely immersed in American society, and the Crazies are pushing the Outrageous Outrage that she is inappropriate? Fuck ‘em, every one.
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recusancy Tue, May 18, 2010 9:57:10pm |
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 9:57:48pm |
re: #337 Irenicum
So is the walkaway in tonight’s elections that both parties moved to their respective fringes more?
The walkaway is that cable news enables people to get worked into a frenzy over absolutely nothing at all. Oh my, did you see what happened in the PRIMARIES of the MID-TERM elections?? Good Lord, look where we’re headed now!!
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 9:57:53pm |
re: #345 webevintage
I’m not saying in any way that either wing of each party is equally extreme or whatever to their respective opposite. But it does seem that both parties decided to moved outward, if you will, instead towards the center in who they’ve chosen.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 9:58:00pm |
re: #344 Dark_Falcon
I dunno. Lincoln just came in second in your neighbor state and Spector got bounced in the Keystone State. Looks like a push to the left to me.
Maybe. Wait until November.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:58:43pm |
re: #350 BryanS
Those who want to leave the faith are often threatened with death. The potential for honor killings would certainly be a concern. Again, this would still be illegal, but hard core Jews/Christians/Scientologists/Zoroastrarians/etc don’t typically threaten physical harm to those who leave.
If a religious community ruled for instance that females in their community were not allowed to have employment in certain roles, for instance. Shouldn’t they be subject to discrimination law?
here’s the thing: if someone voluntarily decides they don’t want to be employed somewhere because their religion is against it, then you have no right to tell them they and their religious culture MUST say…provide abortions!
Now do you get it?
I’m pretty sure some Christians are not cool with their flock being employed as pornographers or sex workers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 9:58:52pm |
re: #335 cliffster
I was sternly reprimanded the other night for that mistake. Excuse the hell out of me. I guess Miss America would never be caught pole dancing.
I think the difference organizationally is that Miss USA goes on to compete for the Miss Universe title. Also, there seems to be some consensus that Miss USA is the sluttier title, while Miss America is more Junior Miss.
I knew absolutely nothing about this until it came on the lizards’ radar, however.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 9:59:03pm |
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 9:59:14pm |
re: #350 BryanS
Those who want to leave the faith are often threatened with death. The potential for honor killings would certainly be a concern. Again, this would still be illegal, but hard core Jews/Christians/Scientologists/Zoroastrarians/etc don’t typically threaten physical harm to those who leave.
If a religious community ruled for instance that females in their community were not allowed to have employment in certain roles, for instance. Shouldn’t they be subject to discrimination law?
Read “Under the Banner of Heaven” by Jon Krakauer
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:59:19pm |
re: #328 austin_blue
In the US? The Constitution absolutely prevents it! Your fears are fever dreams.
Why are some arguing against things I didn’t say. Is it that you would like to beat up a conservative straw man, or are you mixing up my comments with other posters? I never said the constitution would allow codification of sharia law.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 9:59:48pm |
Since we’re on this topic, not being able to name a single newspaper as a source of information on current events would be embarrassing even for a beauty pageant contestant.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 9:59:51pm |
re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist
See, I think this is where I start to get very wary, because just about everything that people say about Islam, I’ve heard about Judaism. When I start to hear the same themes replayed, I get very, very suspicious.
My ox is standing near the ox that is being gored.
I was waiting for you to say this.
AND OH MAN DO I AGREE
There’s a persecution vibe and a paranoid bigotry with this Sharia law stuff. It’s getting bigger.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 9:59:57pm |
re: #331 Dark_Falcon
I think BryanS means that the left can eat moderate Democrats just as the right can eat moderate Republicans.
Yes.
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:00:20pm |
re: #359 JasonA
I so hate a political system that allows candidates to accept money from outside their constituency. Well that and I really don’t have a dime to spare at the moment…
I hate a political system that allows me to not be rich. We gotta fix that.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:00:23pm |
re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist
People are being really, really mean about her. Is it just that winning Miss USA is like being crowned the hottest girl in school, and after that, everyone has to try to tear you down? I don’t get it.
Sister Toldjah did this little bit about “What does Rima Fakih have in common with President Obama? They both won something they didn’t deserve.”
Like, WTF? She’s a pretty girl with a skinny figure and shiny hair. She walks well in high heels and can babble about world peace or working with children or something. Suddenly you need special qualifications beyond that to be Miss USA?
Sister who? Oh yeah. I remember that blog. They’re still living in the year 2001.
To extend the idea that Obama won “something he didn’t deserve” is the same argument the closet racists use to slander blacks or any other minority that get into a university on an equal opportunity basis. Usually they have slots. But, they find it hard to believe because being the Jim Crow thinkers that they are they find it hard to believe that blacks can excel in academics.
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 10:00:43pm |
re: #352 austin_blue
Finally saw her tonight on Letterman. Gorgeous beyond words, and from Michigan!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 10:01:15pm |
re: #365 cliffster
I hate a political system that allows me to not be rich. We gotta fix that.
Are you okay with Iran donating money to American political campaigns? 8-)
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 10:01:16pm |
re: #308 austin_blue
As I have posted in previous threads, the “siphon” (it can’t be a siphon) can only recover 4 - 5% of the spill based on flow rate and the areal coverage of the pipe. If BP is saying that 2,000 bbls per day is what they are recovering, that means that the release is 80 - 100,000 bbls per day.
Ouch.
Obviously, BP does not want to release the extent of the release, because they have to pay royalties on every barrel of oil and every cubic foot of gas that is released.
Hi Austinblue,
I’ve seen conflicting statements about the potential of the “riser insertion tube tool”, they were previously saying that it could capture up to 85% of the leak, and elsewhere stated that the place where it is inserted is 85% of the total leak (they don’t appear to be even trying to capture from the leak at the top of the BOP stack).
This suggested to me that they thought they could capture 100% of the leak from the riser as it would equal 85% of the whole leak, with that now revised to a more realistic 50%. Of course, if they are wrong, or lying, about the volume of the leak, then that would be revised down, dramatically in the case of your estimates.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:01:19pm |
re: #343 Nimed
Chait dixit:
First, what is the matter with these people that they complain about the outcome of a beauty pageant? How can you take this seriously as some kind of meritocratic process? And second, are there any prominent conservative women who did not compete in beauty pageants when they were young?
[Link: www.tnr.com…]
Sarah Palin only did it once, and she didn’t seem to enjoy the experience much. Said the judges made everyone turn around so they could see the girls’ butts, and she wasn’t real thrilled.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:01:25pm |
re: #346 Spare O’Lake
I am worried that there is a politically correct groupthink at work here which precludes criticism of those who advocate for Sharia in the USA. When a Mosque’s web site implores readers to follow and proselytize Sharia, just what is it that you all think they are advocating - a tea party (sic)?
I’m glad that you all think there is nothing to worry about from jihadism in the USA, and that you can all smugly sit back and chuckle at the outlandish religious customs without any concern for the Muslim victims.
I learned my lesson in Canada when we came within a hair’s breadth of having Sharia matrimonial law recognized and enforced by our civil courts. Noone was worried here either, until it was almost too late for the many Muslim women who are routinely pressured and intimidated into submitting to Sharia arbitrators.
Good night.
Umm. That didn’t happen, did it? The US Constitution specifically outlaws it.
What is your major malfunction?
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:01:35pm |
re: #350 BryanS
Those who want to leave the faith are often threatened with death. The potential for honor killings would certainly be a concern. Again, this would still be illegal, but hard core Jews/Christians/Scientologists/Zoroastrarians/etc don’t typically threaten physical harm to those who leave.
If a religious community ruled for instance that females in their community were not allowed to have employment in certain roles, for instance. Shouldn’t they be subject to discrimination law?
Well, no. Technically speaking that community doesn’t have the authority to enforce that.
Listen, I hear what you’re trying to say, but we cannot legislate against specific communities.
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:02:17pm |
re: #368 WindUpBird
Are you okay with Iran donating money to American political campaigns? 8-)
Am I rich in this scenario? That’s where the rubber hits the road
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sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 10:02:18pm |
re: #350 BryanS
Those who want to leave the faith are often threatened with death. The potential for honor killings would certainly be a concern. Again, this would still be illegal, but hard core Jews/Christians/Scientologists/Zoroastrarians/etc don’t typically threaten physical harm to those who leave.
If a religious community ruled for instance that females in their community were not allowed to have employment in certain roles, for instance. Shouldn’t they be subject to discrimination law?
Scientologists do so.
For Jews… the chasidim don’t generally do physical harm to those who leave the community, but they do symbolically kill them. They declare them dead, the family sits shiva, and then they’re never spoken of again.
Christians… I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s factions (cough*phelps*cough) who might just do violent things to what they consider betrayers.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 10:02:47pm |
re: #354 cliffster
The walkaway is that cable news enables people to get worked into a frenzy over absolutely nothing at all. Oh my, did you see what happened in the PRIMARIES of the MID-TERM elections?? Good Lord, look where we’re headed now!!
There was a narrative in place that there was an enthusiasm gap between Ds and Rs. Hence the coverage, and the perception that some of those elections are predictors. The enthusiasm gap didn’t materialize, Ds did quite well.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 10:03:23pm |
re: #371 austin_blue
Umm. That didn’t happen, did it? The US Constitution specifically outlaws it.
What is your major malfunction?
I just need another beer.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:03:33pm |
re: #336 webevintage
I’m not crazy left, but I’m tired of having a Senator who is a Blue Dog and was one of the reasons there is no option for a public option within health care reform.
I have other issue with Miz Blanche besides that, but it was the cherry on the top.Maybe it is just a difference of opinion, but more the the “crazy left” supported a public option.
I doubt many in the center wanted the “public option”. I live in a very liberal community, and I did not find many people excited about the public option except the political activist type. Needless to say, my parents who live in a very conservative community only knew people who loathed it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:03:46pm |
re: #346 Spare O’Lake
I am worried that there is a politically correct groupthink at work here which precludes criticism of those who advocate for Sharia in the USA. When a Mosque’s web site implores readers to follow and proselytize Sharia, just what is it that you all think they are advocating - a tea party (sic)?
I’m glad that you all think there is nothing to worry about from jihadism in the USA, and that you can all smugly sit back and chuckle at the outlandish religious customs without any concern for the Muslim victims.
I learned my lesson in Canada when we came within a hair’s breadth of having Sharia matrimonial law recognized and enforced by our civil courts. Noone was worried here either, until it was almost too late for the many Muslim women who are routinely pressured and intimidated into submitting to Sharia arbitrators.
Good night.
I think you refuse to answer any of my questions or discuss any of the ideas that people raise.
When a mosque’s website implores people to follow Sharia, I think they’re advocating being devout Muslims.
I also think you’re under the impression that disagreement with you can only because we’re ignorant, or doing ‘groupthink’.
Unless you’re willing to engage me on a real level, I can’t get any farther than this.
Goodnight.
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sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 10:03:58pm |
re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist
I think the difference organizationally is that Miss USA goes on to compete for the Miss Universe title. Also, there seems to be some consensus that Miss USA is the sluttier title, while Miss America is more Junior Miss.
I knew absolutely nothing about this until it came on the lizards’ radar, however.
Donald Trump owns the Miss USA pageant.
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:04:04pm |
re: #375 WindUpBird
There was a narrative in place that there was an enthusiasm gap between Ds and Rs. Hence the coverage, and the perception that some of those elections are predictors. The enthusiasm gap didn’t materialize, Ds did quite well.
It’s the mid-term elections. It’s the primaries of the mid-term elections. Geez.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:04:12pm |
re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist
I tried to get people interested in [Link: www.islamoncapitolhill.com,…] but no one bit.
Looks like it was last year—Guess I can’t join in on the festivities /
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:04:14pm |
re: #374 sagehen
Scientologists do so.
Christians… I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s factions (cough*phelps*cough) who might just do violent things to what they consider betrayers.
Well, there was that whole People’s Temple thing…
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Irenicum Tue, May 18, 2010 10:04:31pm |
Well it’s sharia been fun, but I’m gettin’ the halacha outa here. Hasta menana neighborinos.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 18, 2010 10:05:31pm |
re: #380 cliffster
It’s the mid-term elections. It’s the primaries of the mid-term elections. Geez.
Primaries are important indicators of enthusiasm and where parties are heading.
It’s not like it’s a GIGANTIC THING, but it is a thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:06:01pm |
re: #350 BryanS
Those who want to leave the faith are often threatened with death. The potential for honor killings would certainly be a concern. Again, this would still be illegal, but hard core Jews/Christians/Scientologists/Zoroastrarians/etc don’t typically threaten physical harm to those who leave.
If a religious community ruled for instance that females in their community were not allowed to have employment in certain roles, for instance. Shouldn’t they be subject to discrimination law?
Dunno. Should churches that refuse to let women work outside the home be subject to discrimination law?
There is all kinds of potential for abuse in close-knit religious communities, but we don’t ban them on account of that.
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 10:07:13pm |
The best part of Specter losing tonight was how sad Chris Matthews and Andrea Mitchell and poor Howard Fineman looked.
I swear I thought one of them were this close to saying “this is good news for John McCain”…this close.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:07:19pm |
re: #347 WindUpBird
The goal posts of this Sharia Law exchange (it’s too stupid to be called a discussion) have been moved so fucking far they’re not even in the stadium anymore. You moved the goal posts outside Lambeau Field, halfway across Wisconsin, and the goal posts are now scrap metal in someone’s basement pub in Madison
And now the Pabst tap doesn’t work.
:/
Ummm, I never, ever, not in a single post, came within a hairs breadth of suggesting any worry or concern that sharia law would become THE law of the land. Each and every comment was specific to the threat posed by a community enforcing such ruled themselves and the threat thst poses to individual liberty. I agree sharia law has no chance of infringing upon our legal system.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:07:35pm |
re: #352 austin_blue
She’s gorgeous isn’t she? A secular Arab of Lebanese parents, completely immersed in American society, and the Crazies are pushing the Outrageous Outrage that she is inappropriate? Fuck ‘em, every one.
I like the theory that Hezbollah engineered it.
Huh?
WHY?
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:08:34pm |
re: #361 BryanS
Why are some arguing against things I didn’t say. Is it that you would like to beat up a conservative straw man, or are you mixing up my comments with other posters? I never said the constitution would allow codification of sharia law.
Apologies. I misread your post.
(Pulls forelock, bows head.)
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gibsonz Tue, May 18, 2010 10:08:40pm |
re: #386 webevintage The best part of Specter losing tonight was that he lost…
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:09:18pm |
When all else fails make your opponent look guilty about something. Personalize it in fact.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:09:19pm |
re: #357 WindUpBird
here’s the thing: if someone voluntarily decides they don’t want to be employed somewhere because their religion is against it, then you have no right to tell them they and their religious culture MUST say…provide abortions!
Now do you get it?
I’m pretty sure some Christians are not cool with their flock being employed as pornographers or sex workers.
Was a case some years ago where a Christian school kicked a kid out because they found out Mom was an exotic dancer. At some Orthodox Jewish schools, kids have been not accepted or asked not to come back because their mothers dressed inappropriately. Religious groups can be very exclusionary.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:09:25pm |
re: #387 BryanS
Ummm, I never, ever, not in a single post, came within a hairs breadth of suggesting any worry or concern that sharia law would become THE law of the land. Each and every comment was specific to the threat posed by a community enforcing such ruled themselves and the threat thst poses to individual liberty. I agree sharia law has no chance of infringing upon our legal system.
Okay, but communities are not allowed to enforce their own laws. It doesn’t work that way, so what exactly is it that you’re afraid of?
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 10:09:37pm |
re: #380 cliffster
It’s the mid-term elections. It’s the primaries of the mid-term elections. Geez.
I know.
AND it is the 7th consecutive RNC loss in a special election.
I wonder when I’ll get tired of pointing this out?
(no, no link, but Rachael told me so tonight and the RNC spokesman looked a bit put out and then began blathering about Scott Brown….hilarious.)
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 10:09:37pm |
Here is some video from al-Beeb showing underwater robots working on the MC252 Gulf oil spill.
Actually, that sounds wrong as this is actually the BP oil spill.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:09:45pm |
re: #357 WindUpBird
here’s the thing: if someone voluntarily decides they don’t want to be employed somewhere because their religion is against it, then you have no right to tell them they and their religious culture MUST say…provide abortions!
Now do you get it?
I’m pretty sure some Christians are not cool with their flock being employed as pornographers or sex workers.
I was arguing for the rule of law to act against a religious ruling that would forbid someone from being employed. Say it was a non-muslim female who wanted to be employed at a place of work owned by someone who is all into sharia law. To SFZ’s point, it very much is my business if that employer refuses to hire a women out of some religious sense of modesty.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:10:02pm |
re: #357 WindUpBird
here’s the thing: if someone voluntarily decides they don’t want to be employed somewhere because their religion is against it, then you have no right to tell them they and their religious culture MUST say…provide abortions!
Now do you get it?
I’m pretty sure some Christians are not cool with their flock being employed as pornographers or sex workers.
What did the lizards have to say when the FLDS scandal blew up last year?
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:10:17pm |
re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno. Should churches that refuse to let women work outside the home be subject to discrimination law?
There is all kinds of potential for abuse in close-knit religious communities, but we don’t ban them on account of that.
Just came to me…wondering…did any people here think the Govt. overstepped in the raid of the FDLS in Texas?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:10:29pm |
re: #361 BryanS
Why are some arguing against things I didn’t say. Is it that you would like to beat up a conservative straw man, or are you mixing up my comments with other posters? I never said the constitution would allow codification of sharia law.
Spare seems to feel it’s bound to happen unless we work day and night to prevent it.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:10:35pm |
re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist
And earlier this year a kid was thrown out of a Catholic school because he had two mommies. I forget how old he was, but I think it was something under 10.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:12:12pm |
re: #399 SanFranciscoZionist
Spare seems to feel it’s bound to happen unless we work day and night to prevent it.
Only if you’re trying to sell books. It’s all part of the grand Sharia Paranoia Bookselling and Lectures Cabal™.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:12:54pm |
re: #367 Irenicum
Finally saw her tonight on Letterman. Gorgeous beyond words, and from Michigan!
Isn’t she pretty?
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:13:05pm |
re: #396 BryanS
I was arguing for the rule of law to act against a religious ruling that would forbid someone from being employed. Say it was a non-muslim female who wanted to be employed at a place of work owned by someone who is all into sharia law. To SFZ’s point, it very much is my business if that employer refuses to hire a women out of some religious sense of modesty.
Employment discrimination law in the United States
Under Federal law, employers generally cannot discriminate against employees on the basis of:
* Race
* Sex
* Pregnancy
* Religion
* National origin
* Disability (physical or mental, including HIV status)
* Age (for workers over 40)
* Military service or affiliation
* Anticipated deployment with the Reserves or National Guard[citation needed]
* Bankruptcy or bad debts
* Genetic information
* Citizenship status (for citizens, permanent residents, temporary residents, refugees, and asylees)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:13:54pm |
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:14:14pm |
re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist
What did the lizards have to say when the FLDS scandal blew up last year?
Were you here? I’m wondering the same damn thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:15:11pm |
re: #381 BryanS
Looks like it was last year—Guess I can’t join in on the festivities /
Oh. Sorry, I didn’t even check. One of my local Israel activist buddies forwarded it.
He’s also the Obama hater of our group…but a good guy in a crisis.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:15:33pm |
re: #372 JasonA
Well, no. Technically speaking that community doesn’t have the authority to enforce that.
Listen, I hear what you’re trying to say, but we cannot legislate against specific communities.
Right. But we can uphold the law. I think the practice of sharia law —and since some have a problem calling it a law, maybe I’ll just call it sharia customs :). We wouldn’t be legislating against communities, but we would be enforcing the law against illegal practices. I don’t think religious rulings should be given special consideration when deciding such things as enforcing discrimination laws.
My argument is that all such religious based quasi-law should be under the same scrutiny as anyone. Sharia law can be turned into an oppressive force. It needs to be opposed.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:15:34pm |
re: #369 Bagua
Hi Austinblue,
I’ve seen conflicting statements about the potential of the “riser insertion tube tool”, they were previously saying that it could capture up to 85% of the leak, and elsewhere stated that the place where it is inserted is 85% of the total leak (they don’t appear to be even trying to capture from the leak at the top of the BOP stack).
This suggested to me that they thought they could capture 100% of the leak from the riser as it would equal 85% of the whole leak, with that now revised to a more realistic 50%. Of course, if they are wrong, or lying, about the volume of the leak, then that would be revised down, dramatically in the case of your estimates.
Yup, BP is saying “We are concentrating on stopping the release rather than quantifying it.” But if you don’t know how big it is, how can you engineer a fix? I think they have decided on a “suck along” PR campaign that makes it seems that they are taking action when they know, in their heart of hearts, that the only viable solution are the relief wells.
Another two months.
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sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 10:15:45pm |
re: #396 BryanS
I was arguing for the rule of law to act against a religious ruling that would forbid someone from being employed. Say it was a non-muslim female who wanted to be employed at a place of work owned by someone who is all into sharia law. To SFZ’s point, it very much is my business if that employer refuses to hire a women out of some religious sense of modesty.
So, like, if a Catholic agency with city contracts in DC doesn’t give the same benefits to homosexual employees as they do to heterosexual employees? Or if a Catholic hospital in Arizona fires an administrator for making an ethics decision that contradicts the Bishop’s declaration of church teaching?
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:16:04pm |
re: #405 Stanley Sea
Were you here? I’m wondering the same damn thing.
I don’t give a hoot what they do. I might have said something in defense of polygamy. Frankly, even though I would never do it, I think people should be free to practice polygamy.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:17:09pm |
re: #407 BryanS
Right. But we can uphold the law. I think the practice of sharia law —and since some have a problem calling it a law, maybe I’ll just call it sharia customs :). We wouldn’t be legislating against communities, but we would be enforcing the law against illegal practices. I don’t think religious rulings should be given special consideration when deciding such things as enforcing discrimination laws.
My argument is that all such religious based quasi-law should be under the same scrutiny as anyone. Sharia law can be turned into an oppressive force. It needs to be opposed.
Sooo women should be allowed to be Catholic priests?
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:17:24pm |
re: #374 sagehen
Scientologists do so.
For Jews… the chasidim don’t generally do physical harm to those who leave the community, but they do symbolically kill them. They declare them dead, the family sits shiva, and then they’re never spoken of again.
Christians… I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s factions (cough*phelps*cough) who might just do violent things to what they consider betrayers.
Perhaps we need to add Phelps’ group and Scientologists to the list then that we go after :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:17:37pm |
re: #396 BryanS
I was arguing for the rule of law to act against a religious ruling that would forbid someone from being employed. Say it was a non-muslim female who wanted to be employed at a place of work owned by someone who is all into sharia law. To SFZ’s point, it very much is my business if that employer refuses to hire a women out of some religious sense of modesty.
But then you get into issues of employment law, and that’s a whole different kettle of fish. We were talking about the group’s ability to tell its members what do within the bounds of the law.
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sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 10:17:41pm |
re: #398 Stanley Sea
Just came to me…wondering…did any people here think the Govt. overstepped in the raid of the FDLS in Texas?
I wasn’t here when that was going on, but I did cheer the govt. As I understood the case, it wasn’t about consenting adults at all — they were prosecuting one guy and investigating others because of what was being done to non-consenting non-adults.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:17:50pm |
re: #410 Gus 802
I don’t give a hoot what they do. I might have said something in defense of polygamy. Frankly, even though I would never do it, I think people should be free to practice polygamy.
Thing is though, it was with 12 year olds. All to the same old dude.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:17:54pm |
re: #398 Stanley Sea
Just came to me…wondering…did any people here think the Govt. overstepped in the raid of the FDLS in Texas?
GMTA!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:18:25pm |
re: #400 JasonA
And earlier this year a kid was thrown out of a Catholic school because he had two mommies. I forget how old he was, but I think it was something under 10.
It was a pre-school. And that was NOT in accordance with canon law. Even Bill O’Reilly agreed with me!!
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:18:46pm |
re: #410 Gus 802
I don’t give a hoot what they do. I might have said something in defense of polygamy. Frankly, even though I would never do it, I think people should be free to practice polygamy.
Well there’s that whole consenting adults thing and 14 year old girls among the Real LDS sect…
Ick.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:18:57pm |
re: #415 Stanley Sea
Thing is though, it was with 12 year olds. All to the same old dude.
Oh. Well, that’s not right. I was talking about adults.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:04pm |
re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist
But then you get into issues of employment law, and that’s a whole different kettle of fish. We were talking about the group’s ability to tell its members what do within the bounds of the law.
Hell, I was taught that I was making God cry every time I indulged in self-gratification.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:07pm |
re: #401 Gus 802
Only if you’re trying to sell books. It’s all part of the grand Sharia Paranoia Bookselling and Lectures Cabal™.
I feel like I could make a fortune off this, if I were a very bad person.
“Let us assume for a moment that you are a dishonest man.”
“Assume away!”
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:14pm |
re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno. Should churches that refuse to let women work outside the home be subject to discrimination law?
There is all kinds of potential for abuse in close-knit religious communities, but we don’t ban them on account of that.
If they are in a position to hire and do not hire on that basis, yes. No doubt about it.
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:19pm |
re: #415 Stanley Sea
Thing is though, it was with 12 year olds. All to the same old dude.
I walked away for a bit, came back and you’re talking about polygamy and 12-year-olds. wtf
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:48pm |
re: #418 austin_blue
Well there’s that whole consenting adults thing and 14 year old girls among the Real LDS sect…
Ick.
Roger, copy, 10-4, over.
Meant under normal circumstances.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:53pm |
re: #423 cliffster
I walked away for a bit, came back and you’re talking about polygamy and 12-year-olds. wtf
Celtics!
(how’s that)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:20:23pm |
re: #405 Stanley Sea
Were you here? I’m wondering the same damn thing.
I don’t remember if I was here or not. Was it last summer, or the summer before? I remember reading an article about it on the way to my cousin’s wedding, but now I can’t remember how the hell long he’s been married.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:21:29pm |
re: #407 BryanS
Right. But we can uphold the law. I think the practice of sharia law —and since some have a problem calling it a law, maybe I’ll just call it sharia customs :). We wouldn’t be legislating against communities, but we would be enforcing the law against illegal practices. I don’t think religious rulings should be given special consideration when deciding such things as enforcing discrimination laws.
My argument is that all such religious based quasi-law should be under the same scrutiny as anyone. Sharia law can be turned into an oppressive force. It needs to be opposed.
No one is arguing that we shouldn’t uphold the law.
And I don’t feel comfortable opposing Sharia simply because it ‘can’ be turned into an oppressive force. I’ll oppose any oppressive behavior, certainly.
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 10:21:49pm |
re: #408 austin_blue
Yup, BP is saying “We are concentrating on stopping the release rather than quantifying it.” But if you don’t know how big it is, how can you engineer a fix? I think they have decided on a “suck along” PR campaign that makes it seems that they are taking action when they know, in their heart of hearts, that the only viable solution are the relief wells.
Another two months.
I agree, something is very fishy about this flow issue. I take it you don’t have much confidence in the upcoming top kill efforts?
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:21:58pm |
re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t remember if I was here or not. Was it last summer, or the summer before? I remember reading an article about it on the way to my cousin’s wedding, but now I can’t remember how the hell long he’s been married.
April 2008.
I did a LGF search, didn’t come up with anything. But I fail at searches most of the time.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:22:15pm |
re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist
Was a case some years ago where a Christian school kicked a kid out because they found out Mom was an exotic dancer. At some Orthodox Jewish schools, kids have been not accepted or asked not to come back because their mothers dressed inappropriately. Religious groups can be very exclusionary.
If the funding of that school is entirely private, I guess I wouldn’t like it but there’s probably nothing that could be done. If even one scintilla of funding is government, though, throw the book at ‘em.
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:23:02pm |
re: #425 Stanley Sea
Celtics!
(how’s that)
Better. I’m watching sportscenter. Looks like Magic Johnson is on the show. The dude with the thick-rimmed glasses and the wandering eye is less painful to watch than Magic. Always easy to see when someone is practiced at their craft, and when they’re not.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:23:30pm |
re: #421 SanFranciscoZionist
I feel like I could make a fortune off this, if I were a very bad person.
“Let us assume for a moment that you are a dishonest man.”
“Assume away!”
That whole list about Sharia was straight from some site run by Family Research Council and Brigitte Gabriel. Most of it is linking to books by Mark Steyn, Robert Spencer, Nonie Darwish, Melanie Phillips, EIEIO.
A lot of this about making money.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:24:19pm |
re: #420 JasonA
Hell, I was taught that I was making God cry every time I indulged in self-gratification.
:O
I keep hearing stories like that. I really don’t know what’s going on in Catholic communities all over this country. I spent a large part of my childhood in Portugal, where I was never taught that sort of hair-raising stuff.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:25:43pm |
re: #393 JasonA
Okay, but communities are not allowed to enforce their own laws. It doesn’t work that way, so what exactly is it that you’re afraid of?
Individual liberty. Even if not my own, it needs to be protected. Religious customs can be oppressive—tell me if a Muslim leaves the faith and faces the threat of physical harm for doing so, is it not in the public interest to intervene and protect that individual?
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:25:53pm |
re: #433 Nimed
:O
I keep hearing stories like that. I really don’t know what’s going on in Catholic communities all over this country. I spent a large part of my childhood in Portugal, where I was never taught that sort of hairy-palm stuff.
ftfy
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:26:19pm |
re: #434 BryanS
Individual liberty. Even if not my own, it needs to be protected. Religious customs can be oppressive—tell me if a Muslim leaves the faith and faces the threat of physical harm for doing so, is it not in the public interest to intervene and protect that individual?
YES! But we already have laws against that!
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:26:30pm |
I’m copying beekiller’s link he just posted - from the SPLC - please go to the links!
Does an ardent Jewish neo-conservative ever agree with an anti-Semite who despises neo-conservatives?
We didn’t think so, until the Miss USA contest showed that Muslim-bashing author Daniel Pipes and racist radio host James Edwards do indeed share some common ground. The men suggested on their respective blogs that 24-year-old Rima Fakih of Dearborn, Mich., captured the pageant crown on Sunday because of her Muslim religion (Pipes) or her Arab ethnicity (Edwards).
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:26:49pm |
re: #428 Bagua
I agree, something is very fishy about this flow issue. I take it you don’t have much confidence in the upcoming top kill efforts?
Eyewash.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:27:25pm |
re: #410 Gus 802
I don’t give a hoot what they do. I might have said something in defense of polygamy. Frankly, even though I would never do it, I think people should be free to practice polygamy.
But clearly, these are people living in an isolated compound, under extreme religious rules that don’t conform to the American mainstream, and have enormous potential for abuse.
My stance is that I hate it a lot, but think that legally they get to do this.
What say the people who oppose Sharia as a creeping threat to personal freedom?
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:27:39pm |
re: #437 Stanley Sea
Funny how now people think beauty pageant is looking for something deeper…
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:28:15pm |
re: #399 SanFranciscoZionist
Spare seems to feel it’s bound to happen unless we work day and night to prevent it.
I disagree with that concern of Spare—I’m more worried about the civil liberties of individuals. Public officials are so afraid of religion that they are hesitant to enforce the law when religious edict makes a community act in a way contrary to law. About that point, we do need to be diligent.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, May 18, 2010 10:28:24pm |
This just cracks me up, every time I see it!
“Click to embiggen”
Hola Honco Lizards!
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:28:47pm |
re: #442 Floral Giraffe
This just cracks me up, every time I see it!
“Click to embiggen”Hola Honco Lizards!
Good evening, FG.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:28:58pm |
re: #440 JasonA
Funny how now people think beauty pageant is looking for something deeper…
Barely hidden racist agenda.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:29:14pm |
re: #415 Stanley Sea
Thing is though, it was with 12 year olds. All to the same old dude.
One thing I thought very interesting when that all came up is that apparently the fringe polygamous Mormon groups have a pattern of throwing out teenage boys and young men from the group when they fail to measure up. If the older men are going to be awarded multiple wives, they have to do something to keep the male population proportionately low.
In the old days, I suppose, homesteading Utah was enough to do that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:29:45pm |
re: #420 JasonA
Hell, I was taught that I was making God cry every time I indulged in self-gratification.
Did God cry a lot when you were a teenager?
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:29:59pm |
re: #403 Nimed
Employment discrimination law in the United States
Under Federal law, employers generally cannot discriminate against employees on the basis of:
* Race
* Sex
* Pregnancy
* Religion
* National origin
* Disability (physical or mental, including HIV status)
* Age (for workers over 40)
* Military service or affiliation
* Anticipated deployment with the Reserves or National Guard[citation needed]
* Bankruptcy or bad debts
* Genetic information
* Citizenship status (for citizens, permanent residents, temporary residents, refugees, and asylees)[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Right, so how many discrimination cases are brought against religious organizations who hire employees that are only of one faith? How many muslims/atheists/etc work at catholic private schools?
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:30:12pm |
re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist
But clearly, these are people living in an isolated compound, under extreme religious rules that don’t conform to the American mainstream, and have enormous potential for abuse.
My stance is that I hate it a lot, but think that legally they get to do this.
What say the people who oppose Sharia as a creeping threat to personal freedom?
Amen, sister! A big up-ding!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:30:24pm |
re: #422 BryanS
If they are in a position to hire and do not hire on that basis, yes. No doubt about it.
What if the women simply comply? What if the family is thrown out of the church because Mom is working?
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:30:41pm |
re: #446 SanFranciscoZionist
Did God cry a lot when you were a teenager?
More tears than grains of sand on the beach.
Yeah, I was a pretty normal teen.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:31:03pm |
re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist
One thing I thought very interesting when that all came up is that apparently the fringe polygamous Mormon groups have a pattern of throwing out teenage boys and young men from the group when they fail to measure up. If the older men are going to be awarded multiple wives, they have to do something to keep the male population proportionately low.
In the old days, I suppose, homesteading Utah was enough to do that.
Yep, get rid of the pubescent boys who might infringe. I have strong feelings about this shit.
Did you read “Under the Banner of Heaven” I’m definitely jaded after reading that damn book.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:31:10pm |
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:31:30pm |
re: #409 sagehen
So, like, if a Catholic agency with city contracts in DC doesn’t give the same benefits to homosexual employees as they do to heterosexual employees? Or if a Catholic hospital in Arizona fires an administrator for making an ethics decision that contradicts the Bishop’s declaration of church teaching?
Most definitely. Thanx for the specific examples—the abortion case being in the news recently. Was there an employee benefits case of the sort you refer to as well?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:31:47pm |
re: #432 Gus 802
That whole list about Sharia was straight from some site run by Family Research Council and Brigitte Gabriel. Most of it is linking to books by Mark Steyn, Robert Spencer, Nonie Darwish, Melanie Phillips, EIEIO.
A lot of this about making money.
It’s hard, though, because counterinformation is seen as ‘taqiyyah’ or ‘politically correct groupthink’. Makes it difficult to have a real conversation.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:32:07pm |
re: #451 Stanley Sea
Yep, get rid of the pubescent boys who might infringe. I have strong feelings about this shit.
Did you read “Under the Banner of Heaven” I’m definitely jaded after reading that damn book.
Just one more small step to Dawkins and Hitchens… :D
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:32:31pm |
re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist
But clearly, these are people living in an isolated compound, under extreme religious rules that don’t conform to the American mainstream, and have enormous potential for abuse.
My stance is that I hate it a lot, but think that legally they get to do this.
What say the people who oppose Sharia as a creeping threat to personal freedom?
I could only guess because I don’t think that Sharia is a creeping threat to much of anything in the United States.
Frankly, I’ve been hearing about the Christians taking over the United States since the late 70s and I’m still waiting. Sure, they’ve had some influence but nothing like the paranoia I’ve heard from back in my pseudo hippie days.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:32:43pm |
re: #433 Nimed
:O
I keep hearing stories like that. I really don’t know what’s going on in Catholic communities all over this country. I spent a large part of my childhood in Portugal, where I was never taught that sort of hair-raising stuff.
The Irish have issues with sex. I say this ruefully, as the daughter of an Irish Catholic. We had an unfortunately large influence on the Church in America.
We’re great on service and social justice, and partying. Bad on sexual matter.
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austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:32:47pm |
re: #446 SanFranciscoZionist
Did God cry a lot when you were a teenager?
Well, Jesus did. And every time you make Jesus cry, you owe me a dollar.
;-)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:33:05pm |
re: #434 BryanS
Individual liberty. Even if not my own, it needs to be protected. Religious customs can be oppressive—tell me if a Muslim leaves the faith and faces the threat of physical harm for doing so, is it not in the public interest to intervene and protect that individual?
Yes, but we have a law for that.
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 10:33:12pm |
I have no problem with polygamy except these are not relationships of equals…the women have no powerre: #445 SanFranciscoZionist
One thing I thought very interesting when that all came up is that apparently the fringe polygamous Mormon groups have a pattern of throwing out teenage boys and young men from the group when they fail to measure up.
It is a disgusting, heart breaking practice.
I do not know how anyone could do that to their child, but then I don’t understand parents who cut off contact with their children if they end up with the gay.
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 10:33:19pm |
re: #438 austin_blue
Eyewash.
That’s depressing, I’d really had my hopes on this thing shutting down in the next two weeks. But we all know that they’re just stumbling around out there trying to invent something on the spot. They had no contingency plan for this impossible likely BOP failure.
| 462 |
cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:33:40pm |
What a fucked up thing we have in the Gulf here
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:34:02pm |
re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist
But then you get into issues of employment law, and that’s a whole different kettle of fish. We were talking about the group’s ability to tell its members what do within the bounds of the law.
Do such religious communities only act on things that are not covered by the legal system? If they are acting within the bounds of the law, of course there’s nothing we can do.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, May 18, 2010 10:34:27pm |
Hello Late Night Lizards!
Has it been a day of frivolity and mirth?
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:34:35pm |
re: #462 cliffster
What a fucked up thing we have in the Gulf here
I’m just waiting for the media to ignore it so it goes away.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:34:44pm |
re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s hard, though, because counterinformation is seen as ‘taqiyyah’ or ‘politically correct groupthink’. Makes it difficult to have a real conversation.
Pfft. Politically correct groupthink. Political correctness is relative. They have their own version of politically correct groupthink.
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Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:34:50pm |
re: #462 cliffster
What a fucked up thing we have in the Gulf here
pimping the links here.
I posted a link to Sen. Ben Nelson’s website earlier. He received from BP and released 4 new videos of the flows from the pipes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:34:51pm |
re: #444 Stanley Sea
Barely hidden racist agenda.
Barely barely.
The hatred for this girl is sort of scary.
I’m proud of Pam Geller, though. (Words I may never say again!)
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webevintage Tue, May 18, 2010 10:34:55pm |
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:35:08pm |
re: #462 cliffster
We were planning a trip to Port Aransas (TX) to chill on the beach this summer. I’m wondering now if there’s going to be oil shit everywhere. Anyone know if it’s possible it’ll drift Texas way?
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:36:16pm |
re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist
Barely barely.
The hatred for this girl is sort of scary.
I’m proud of Pam Geller, though. (Words I may never say again!)
Didn’t we see the same amount of emotion, except in the form of heartfelt love, for Carrie Prejean? From the same people, perhaps?
| 472 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, May 18, 2010 10:36:58pm |
re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist
Don’t say it three times in a row.
PLEASE.
Don’t.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:36:59pm |
re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist
No one is arguing that we shouldn’t uphold the law.
And I don’t feel comfortable opposing Sharia simply because it ‘can’ be turned into an oppressive force. I’ll oppose any oppressive behavior, certainly.
I feel comfortable opposing sharia law—and any other religious law—even if there is no legal recourse for me. I simply oppose it as my right is to hold such a view. Why do I have that view? Simply because these religious based rules restrict people’s freedom. If there is nothing I can do legally to prevent people from putting blinders on others in their community, I will certainly speak out about it.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:37:01pm |
re: #470 cliffster
We were planning a trip to Port Aransas (TX) to chill on the beach this summer. I’m wondering now if there’s going to be oil shit everywhere. Anyone know if it’s possible it’ll drift Texas way?
I haven’t heard anyone mentioning Texas. Most of the talk is of it heading east.
| 475 |
Stanghazi Tue, May 18, 2010 10:37:42pm |
OK, I’m out! Good night & thanks for the chatter.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:38:02pm |
re: #447 BryanS
Right, so how many discrimination cases are brought against religious organizations who hire employees that are only of one faith? How many muslims/atheists/etc work at catholic private schools?
I’m a Jew who works at a Catholic school. One of two, was three last year, but the librarian left.
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:38:09pm |
re: #447 BryanS
Right, so how many discrimination cases are brought against religious organizations who hire employees that are only of one faith? How many muslims/atheists/etc work at catholic private schools?
So you’re saying the problems you are afraid will be produced by Sharia law already exist after all?
There are, in fact, a number of religious exemptions to employer discrimination laws. But we don’t have that many Muslims occupying seats in our state or federal legislatives bodies, so I assume Sharia laws would be less of a problem here.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:38:38pm |
re: #451 Stanley Sea
Yep, get rid of the pubescent boys who might infringe. I have strong feelings about this shit.
Did you read “Under the Banner of Heaven” I’m definitely jaded after reading that damn book.
No, but it’s on my very long Amazon Wish List.
| 479 |
Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:39:26pm |
The Commies are taking over.
The Christians are taking over.
The hippies are taking over.
The lawyers are taking over.
The Jews are taking over.
The Republicans are taking over.
The liberals are taking over.
The gays are taking over.
The cops are taking over.
The Catholics are taking over.
The Japanese are taking over.
The Chinese are taking over.
The UN is taking over.
The EU is taking over…
| 480 |
austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:39:56pm |
re: #461 Bagua
That’s depressing, I’d really had my hopes on this thing shutting down in the next two weeks. But we all know that they’re just stumbling around out there trying to invent something on the spot. They had no contingency plan for this
impossiblelikely BOP failure.
It’s not just the BOP failure. That kick didn’t come from nowhere. The BOP failure was just the last link in a long chain of failures.
It’s like a lot of airplane crashes. If you read the final NTSB reports, you’ll find multiple failures lead to crashes. In some cases, you’ll find that the pilots fucked up and flew the plane into the ground, but in many cases, the causes of a crash (or a well blowout) have multiple causes. I think we will find that that is the case in this incident.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, May 18, 2010 10:40:26pm |
re: #469 webevintage
Indeed it has…
Glad to hear it! I was just checking in before I went to bed.
I can sleep soundly now.
:)
Night all! Have a great tomorrow!
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cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:40:30pm |
re: #465 JasonA
I’m just waiting for the media to ignore it so it goes away.
It’s just horrible. God’s creatures just going about their business down there, and get blindsided by this. On such a huge scale. And there’s so much spin. It’s like people are falling over themselves to make political capital out of it. Why didn’t Obama do more, sooner? Seize BP.. seize the oil industry! The wounds were just inflicted, people, the pain hasn’t even really started, much less the healing. Can we wait a bit before we start sucking blood?
| 483 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:40:30pm |
re: #463 BryanS
Do such religious communities only act on things that are not covered by the legal system? If they are acting within the bounds of the law, of course there’s nothing we can do.
If they’re acting outside the bounds of the law, then we have the law.
I get your concerns, but really, we have a pretty straightforward set of rules about this kind of thing.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:40:35pm |
re: #479 Gus 802
The hip-hop is taking over. No, seriously, you try finding a decent modern rock station around here!
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:40:42pm |
re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist
What if the women simply comply? What if the family is thrown out of the church because Mom is working?
If the women choose not to become employed, they are still under a sense of compulsion to act that way. A women who choses not to become employed because of religious rules, even though she may wish to, doesn’t make a legal case. It is still wrong.
If the family is thrown out of the church, that is probably the best thing that could happen .
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Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:40:46pm |
re: #462 cliffster
What a fucked up thing we have in the Gulf here
Fucking up things in Gulfs is a US/UK specialty.
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:41:19pm |
re: #484 JasonA
The hip-hop is taking over. No, seriously, you try finding a decent modern rock station around here!
That because the corporations have taken over radio!!1!!!!
//
| 488 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, May 18, 2010 10:41:37pm |
re: #479 Gus 802
The Commies are taking over.
The Christians are taking over.
The hippies are taking over.
The lawyers are taking over.
The Jews are taking over.
The Republicans are taking over.
The liberals are taking over.
The gays are taking over.
The cops are taking over.
The Catholics are taking over.
The Japanese are taking over.
The Chinese are taking over.
The UN is taking over.
The EU is taking over…
Actually, you have it wrong.
It’s Plastic. The whole problem is the plastics. Well, certain plastics, I hear.
Night again.
| 489 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:42:54pm |
re: #471 JasonA
Didn’t we see the same amount of emotion, except in the form of heartfelt love, for Carrie Prejean? From the same people, perhaps?
Probably. In fact, Carrie’s come up several times in all the discussion about Rima.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:43:29pm |
re: #485 BryanS
Wait, are you suggesting that we stop religious institutions from telling people what to do with their lives? Because brother I am so on board with that.
A couple of other people are, too. We can do this thing!
| 491 |
austin_blue Tue, May 18, 2010 10:43:37pm |
Okay, there is a shiny new overnight thread now available, but I am signing off. Believe that I will be following the Continuing Catastrophe and posting on it in the coming days.
Good night all! Sweet dreams!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:43:52pm |
re: #473 BryanS
I feel comfortable opposing sharia law—and any other religious law—even if there is no legal recourse for me. I simply oppose it as my right is to hold such a view. Why do I have that view? Simply because these religious based rules restrict people’s freedom. If there is nothing I can do legally to prevent people from putting blinders on others in their community, I will certainly speak out about it.
OK. You certainly seem to be coming to it from an evenhanded concern about religious groups impeding personal freedom.
Spare, I think, has a different agenda.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:43:58pm |
re: #491 austin_blue
Okay, there is a shiny new overnight thread now available, but I am signing off. Believe that I will be following the Continuing Catastrophe and posting on it in the coming days.
Good night all! Sweet dreams!
Wait…
Which one?
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:44:32pm |
This pretty funny.
Looks like sports is taking over the USA and the Chinese government is being taken over by lawyers.
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sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 10:44:49pm |
re: #453 BryanS
Most definitely. Thanx for the specific examples—the abortion case being in the news recently. Was there an employee benefits case of the sort you refer to as well?
Yes.
Catholic Charities has a city contract to do soup kitchens and a reading program. Their employees used to have, like at many large employers, a health care plan that covered spouses and offspring. Then DC decided to legalize same-sex marriage, and the church started hyperventilating that that vein on their forehead bulged because they didn’t want to have to cover some gay guy’s male spouse.
They solved the problem by canceling their health care plan. Now none of the employees are covered. Just like Jesus would have done.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:45:00pm |
re: #476 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m a Jew who works at a Catholic school. One of two, was three last year, but the librarian left.
Now, there’s a Christian (Protestant) school, up the ridge from us, and they will only hire you if you are a Bible-believing Christian in good standing with an approved church.
I’m trying to get one of the evangelical teachers to apply there, so I can have his job, because I sure as hell can’t work there.
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 10:45:16pm |
re: #480 austin_blue
It’s not just the BOP failure. That kick didn’t come from nowhere. The BOP failure was just the last link in a long chain of failures.
It’s like a lot of airplane crashes. If you read the final NTSB reports, you’ll find multiple failures lead to crashes. In some cases, you’ll find that the pilots fucked up and flew the plane into the ground, but in many cases, the causes of a crash (or a well blowout) have multiple causes. I think we will find that that is the case in this incident.
Yeah, it was the alleged last-resort “fail-safe”, it shouldn’t have been needed to function in the first place, but it was needed and it proved unfit for purpose.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:45:29pm |
re: #477 Nimed
So you’re saying the problems you are afraid will be produced by Sharia law already exist after all?
There are, in fact, a number of religious exemptions to employer discrimination laws. But we don’t have that many Muslims occupying seats in our state or federal legislatives bodies, so I assume Sharia laws would be less of a problem here.
I would have a problem with any special exemption given to any religion. Yes, these problems already exist. As cited by another poset—consider the case of a hostpital administrator who was recently fired due to allowing an abortion in a case where the mother’s life was in jeopardy. That hospital should be held to account.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:45:33pm |
re: #479 Gus 802
The Commies are taking over.
The Christians are taking over.
The hippies are taking over.
The lawyers are taking over.
The Jews are taking over.
The Republicans are taking over.
The liberals are taking over.
The gays are taking over.
The cops are taking over.
The Catholics are taking over.
The Japanese are taking over.
The Chinese are taking over.
The UN is taking over.
The EU is taking over…
I remember when the Japanese were taking over.
| 501 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:46:51pm |
re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember when the Japanese were taking over.
The Lost Decade saved us all…
| 502 |
Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:46:54pm |
re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember when the Japanese were taking over.
The largest take over to hit the national scene! Was that followed by the Germans taking over or the Arabs?
| 503 |
Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:47:13pm |
re: #496 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, there’s a Christian (Protestant) school, up the ridge from us, and they will only hire you if you are a Bible-believing Christian in good standing with an approved church.
I’m trying to get one of the evangelical teachers to apply there, so I can have his job, because I sure as hell can’t work there.
You can always accept Jesus Christ Our Lord as your personal savior…
| 504 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:48:28pm |
re: #498 BryanS
I would have a problem with any special exemption given to any religion. Yes, these problems already exist. As cited by another poset—consider the case of a hostpital administrator who was recently fired due to allowing an abortion in a case where the mother’s life was in jeopardy. That hospital should be held to account.
I just can’t wait for us to insist they start paying taxes. Or at least act like real non-prophet organizations. ;)
| 505 |
Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:48:34pm |
re: #498 BryanS
I would have a problem with any special exemption given to any religion. Yes, these problems already exist. As cited by another poset—consider the case of a hostpital administrator who was recently fired due to allowing an abortion in a case where the mother’s life was in jeopardy. That hospital should be held to account.
Oh. I’m with you, then.
| 506 |
cliffster Tue, May 18, 2010 10:49:07pm |
well, sleep is taking. now that I’m good and depressed, time to hit the hay. peace and purpose to yall…
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Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 10:50:16pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:51:07pm |
re: #507 Bagua
The end of which is coming Sunday.
Sunday. At 7. I know I’m going to forget. The magic DVR box is my failsafe.
| 509 |
Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:51:25pm |
re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember when the Japanese were taking over.
They already did. Walter is watching Death Note.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:51:30pm |
re: #503 Nimed
You can always accept Jesus Christ Our Lord as your personal savior…
If I were going to become a Christian, I would become a Catholic. And then dabble with Coptic and Eastern Orthodox stuff.
Biblical literalists don’t do it for me.
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BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:51:30pm |
re: #496 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, there’s a Christian (Protestant) school, up the ridge from us, and they will only hire you if you are a Bible-believing Christian in good standing with an approved church.
I’m trying to get one of the evangelical teachers to apply there, so I can have his job, because I sure as hell can’t work there.
The hiring practices of that school should be taken to task in courts, but despite such blatant discrimination, it hasn’t yet. Here’s hoping such examples become more rare as time goes on.
| 512 |
Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 10:53:26pm |
re: #508 JasonA
Sunday. At 7. I know I’m going to forget. The magic DVR box is my failsafe.
Too bad BP didn’t have one of those.
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Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:53:40pm |
re: #511 BryanS
The hiring practices of that school should be taken to task in courts, but despite such blatant discrimination, it hasn’t yet. Here’s hoping such examples become more rare as time goes on.
It’s not the easiest thing in the world to prove discriminatory hiring practices, though.
| 514 |
BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 10:53:55pm |
re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist
If I were going to become a Christian, I would become a Catholic. And then dabble with Coptic and Eastern Orthodox stuff.
Biblical literalists don’t do it for me.
Such an eclectic mix of religious ideas :)
| 515 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 10:54:10pm |
re: #511 BryanS
The hiring practices of that school should be taken to task in courts, but despite such blatant discrimination, it hasn’t yet. Here’s hoping such examples become more rare as time goes on.
All kidding aside, it really doesn’t bother me. The parents send their kids there because they want them to have a very specific education and role models. I’m a pretty cool teacher, but I am not it.
| 516 |
Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 10:55:08pm |
re: #479 Gus 802
The Commies are taking over.
The Christians are taking over.
The hippies are taking over.
The lawyers are taking over.
The Jews are taking over.
The Republicans are taking over.
The liberals are taking over.
The gays are taking over.
The cops are taking over.
The Catholics are taking over.
The Japanese are taking over.
The Chinese are taking over.
The UN is taking over.
The EU is taking over…
The EU is taking over. This is beyond dispute and should not be in your list.
| 517 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, May 18, 2010 10:55:33pm |
re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist
All kidding aside, it really doesn’t bother me. The parents send their kids there because they want them to have a very specific education and role models. I’m a pretty cool teacher, but I am not it.
You are pretty cool.
Not just as a teacher.
You are a pleasure to read on LGF.
I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
| 518 |
Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:56:22pm |
re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember when the Japanese were taking over.
It’s funny you know. After thinking about my list and you mentioning the Japanese the rest of the world is thinking, “the USA is taking over!” Meanwhile, we’re sitting here in the USA thinking, “um, no we’re not.”
| 519 |
sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 10:56:58pm |
re: #508 JasonA
Sunday. At 7. I know I’m going to forget. The magic DVR box is my failsafe.
Hulu is mine.
| 520 |
Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:57:37pm |
re: #457 SanFranciscoZionist
The Irish have issues with sex. I say this ruefully, as the daughter of an Irish Catholic. We had an unfortunately large influence on the Church in America.
We’re great on service and social justice, and partying. Bad on sexual matter.
The Portuguese tradition - placing a (properly blessed) statue of a saint in every niche of your house and hiring people to cry at the funerals of particularly uncharismatic people.
| 521 |
Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 10:58:34pm |
re: #516 Bagua
The EU is taking over. This is beyond dispute and should not be in your list.
I know you’re big on that Bagua but all I can say is that it’s barely been written in stone in Europe and there’s still a lot of loose ends. Currently there’s been a lot of rumblings about the EU after this deal with Greece. It’s all still up to a vote for each member country.
| 522 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 10:58:35pm |
I really should get some jiffy-pop for Sunday. Maybe some snow-caps. And I must remove all heavy objects from the room that I might be tempted to throw at the tv in the event this pisses me off as bad as the BSG finale did.
| 523 |
Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 10:59:39pm |
re: #516 Bagua
The EU is taking over. This is beyond dispute and should not be in your list.
Yes, but who is taking over the EU?
Sharia! AAAHHHHUG!!11!
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Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 11:00:19pm |
re: #523 Nimed
Yes, but who is taking over the EU?
Sharia! AAAHHHUG!!11!
It starts with the Minarets!11111!!1
/Eleventy!
| 525 |
BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 11:00:25pm |
re: #513 JasonA
It’s not the easiest thing in the world to prove discriminatory hiring practices, though.
You’d be surprised how easy it actually is. Employment law—if you’re not a religious entity—is hard core about such things. All they have to do is ask questions about the beliefs of a candidate, and there would be enough of a case to get past summary judgment in most jurisdictions. Once that happens, the plaintiff has already won—either the employer gets to drop a ton on legal fees or they get to pay the bastard a settlement.
| 526 |
abolitionist Tue, May 18, 2010 11:00:44pm |
re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist
I tried to get people interested in [Link: www.islamoncapitolhill.com,…] but no one bit.
Bad link.
Fixed: [Link: www.islamoncapitolhill.com…]
| 527 |
Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 11:02:12pm |
We all know who rules the world!
It’s the Coca Cola Bottling Company!
/
| 528 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 11:03:05pm |
re: #525 BryanS
Okay, but it’s still their word against yours. I’d hate to go trial with nothing but a “He asked me if I were a…” in my holster.
| 529 |
Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 11:03:31pm |
re: #521 Gus 802
I know you’re big on that Bagua but all I can say is that it’s barely been written in stone in Europe and there’s still a lot of loose ends. Currently there’s been a lot of rumblings about the EU after this deal with Greece. It’s all still up to a vote for each member country.
You are talking about the permanency of the EU, which I agree is in doubt and being tested now. However, there is absolutely no dispute on any side that the EU is steadily gaining in size and competences as the years go on. The EU in fact congratulates itself for this. One can argue that the EU super-state is a good thing, but one must recognise the elephant that is in fact in the room.
| 530 |
BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 11:03:39pm |
re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist
All kidding aside, it really doesn’t bother me. The parents send their kids there because they want them to have a very specific education and role models. I’m a pretty cool teacher, but I am not it.
It probably does bother someone. What if there was a position like art teacher—which if you’re in primary ed know such positions are hard to come by and highly sought after by qualified candidates. So many public schools have cut their art programs, and perhaps some atheist hippie would love to have that job—any job—as an art teacher.
I’m pretty sure you’re a pretty cool teacher—that school’s loss that they could never have you.
| 531 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 11:03:56pm |
re: #527 Gus 802
We all know who rules the world!
It’s the Coca Cola Bottling Company!
/
Enjoy Slurm! Image: slurm3.jpg
| 532 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 11:04:03pm |
re: #517 Floral Giraffe
You are pretty cool.
Not just as a teacher.
You are a pleasure to read on LGF.
I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
Aw, I’m blushing!
| 533 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 11:04:40pm |
| 534 |
BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 11:05:15pm |
re: #528 JasonA
Okay, but it’s still their word against yours. I’d hate to go trial with nothing but a “He asked me if I were a…” in my holster.
Most of those things don’t go to trial and are nuisance suits. This is America afterall.
| 535 |
Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 11:05:46pm |
re: #522 JasonA
I really should get some jiffy-pop for Sunday. Maybe some snow-caps. And I must remove all heavy objects from the room that I might be tempted to throw at the tv in the event this pisses me off as bad as the BSG finale did.
You know, I really fell that former X-Files fans are forever inoculated to sucky endings. The last 4 seasons were basically an extra-long bad finale.
| 536 |
BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 11:05:48pm |
re: #534 BryanS
Most of those things don’t go to trial and are nuisance suits. This is America afterall.
Meaning the point is not a trial—it’s to get a settlement.
| 537 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 11:06:19pm |
re: #535 Nimed
You know, I really fell that former X-Files fans are forever inoculated to sucky endings. The last 4 seasons were basically an extra-long bad finale.
I think I was one of them. Hard to remember…
| 538 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 11:06:39pm |
re: #524 Gus 802
It starts with the Minarets!11111!!1
/Eleventy!
Did you know that no church can be higher than a minaret?! If we allow them in Paris, Notre Dame will be torn down!!!111!11!
| 539 |
BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 11:06:47pm |
re: #535 Nimed
You know, I really fell that former X-Files fans are forever inoculated to sucky endings. The last 4 seasons were basically an extra-long bad finale.
O god yes. That was just painful. I’d go back and peak in, but it was just TOO terrible. I couldn’t bear those last seasons.
| 540 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 18, 2010 11:07:07pm |
re: #526 abolitionist
Bad link.
Fixed: [Link: www.islamoncapitolhill.com…]
Thank you. It was kind of pointless anyway.
| 541 |
Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 11:07:56pm |
re: #523 Nimed
Yes, but who is taking over the EU?
Sharia! AAAHHHUG!!11!
If the problems with Greece spread through to Italy, Spain, and Portugal, then they may end up auctioning the whole grand scheme to the highest bidder, and who would buy it? Perhaps BP?
| 542 |
Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 11:08:26pm |
| 543 |
Gus Tue, May 18, 2010 11:08:38pm |
re: #538 SanFranciscoZionist
Did you know that no church can be higher than a minaret?! If we allow them in Paris, Notre Dame will be torn down!!!111!11!
Is this true!!11 We must stop this immediately and gather the bloggers at once to denounce this outrageous outrage!!11
| 544 |
sagehen Tue, May 18, 2010 11:08:56pm |
re: #535 Nimed
You know, I really fell that former X-Files fans are forever inoculated to sucky endings. The last 4 seasons were basically an extra-long bad finale.
Which pales in comparison to Forever Knight’s terrible, horrible, no-good very bad finale.
I loved that show, but the ending was so awful I could never watch a rerun and have zero interest in DVDs.
(wasn’t thrilled with the SG1 or SGA endings either, but at least they’re fixable in fic).
| 545 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 11:10:19pm |
re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist
Thank you. It was kind of pointless anyway.
“50,000 worshipers anticipated”
Uh huh. The 9/12 rally was 70,000? No chance in hell.
| 546 |
BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 11:11:31pm |
re: #541 Bagua
If the problems with Greece spread through to Italy, Spain, and Portugal, then they may end up auctioning the whole grand scheme to the highest bidder, and who would buy it? Perhaps BP?
Only good thing about where the US is vis-a-vis the financial fiascoes of recent years is that compared to the US the EU is screwed.
Sad thing is, in one way or the other we’ll end up buying the bonds that float their economies—and to do that, we’ll just borrow more money. From where? We’ll print more of course .
| 547 |
Four More Tears Tue, May 18, 2010 11:11:31pm |
re: #544 sagehen
Which pales in comparison to Forever Knight’s terrible, horrible, no-good very bad finale.
I loved that show, but the ending was so awful I could never watch a rerun and have zero interest in DVDs.
(wasn’t thrilled with the SG1 or SGA endings either, but at least they’re fixable in fic).
SG1 ended with O’Neill and crew fishing in his pond as far as I’m concerned.
| 548 |
Nimed Tue, May 18, 2010 11:12:10pm |
re: #544 sagehen
Which pales in comparison to Forever Knight’s terrible, horrible, no-good very bad finale.
I loved that show, but the ending was so awful I could never watch a rerun and have zero interest in DVDs.
(wasn’t thrilled with the SG1 or SGA endings either, but at least they’re fixable in fic).
Jesus. I never watched that, but if it’s that much worse than X-Files, maybe they should ship some DVD box sets to Bagram.
| 549 |
Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 11:23:24pm |
re: #546 BryanS
Only good thing about where the US is vis-a-vis the financial fiascoes of recent years is that compared to the US the EU is screwed.
Sad thing is, in one way or the other we’ll end up buying the bonds that float their economies—and to do that, we’ll just borrow more money. From where? We’ll print more of course .
Of course, and you are quite correct the the EU-in-progress ultimately lacks the deep reserves of the US system, both financial and political. The US would suffer from a deep recession, currency devaluation or even depression brought on by a large default event, but it is not in danger of falling apart as a union.
The EU alternatively has weak knees and should the Euro crash then it is likely going to end in tears. That is why the Eurocrats are going berserk at the moment, creating an effective state treasury out of thin air without so much as a may I.
| 550 |
BryanS Tue, May 18, 2010 11:29:08pm |
re: #549 Bagua
Of course, and you are quite correct the the EU-in-progress ultimately lacks the deep reserves of the US system, both financial and political. The US would suffer from a deep recession, currency devaluation or even depression brought on by a large default event, but it is not in danger of falling apart as a union.
The EU alternatively has weak knees and should the Euro crash then it is likely going to end in tears. That is why the Eurocrats are going berserk at the moment, creating an effective state treasury out of thin air without so much as a may I.
It’s probably good that they are acting in concert to put together the equivalent of a state treasury—the alternative is they fight a lot more with each other. Really most of the EU is in a united they (possibly) stand, divided they fall moment.
There really is no cash reserve to absorb all this world debt. And who knows how long the China bubble will last. I’m thinking we’ll be lucky if we can have a decade or two of 70s style stagflation.
| 551 |
Bagua Tue, May 18, 2010 11:37:34pm |
re: #550 BryanS
It’s probably good that they are acting in concert to put together the equivalent of a state treasury—
We will see how good it is when Germany can no longer foot the bill for Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the rest. The citisens of the more sensible nations, fiscally, may end up quite pissed that their treasury got pitched into the pot.
the alternative is they fight a lot more with each other. Really most of the EU is in a united they (possibly) stand, divided they fall moment.
Nope. In the past the alternative was for countries such as Greece and Italy o devalue their currencies as needed, while countries such as Germany could hold off inflation. The fit was never there.
But yes, this is a potentially telling moment in the rise and fall of the EU.
There really is no cash reserve to absorb all this world debt. And who knows how long the China bubble will last. I’m thinking we’ll be lucky if we can have a decade or two of 70s style stagflation.
Right, but the US will be able to adjust its monetary policy as suits itself, as will the other independent economies. The Eurozone and largely the EU itself is finding themselves all together in the same sock, and one size does not fit all.
| 552 |
Sacred Plants Wed, May 19, 2010 12:53:04pm |
re: #551 Bagua
We will see how good it is when Germany can no longer foot the bill for Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the rest. The citisens of the more sensible nations, fiscally, may end up quite pissed that their treasury got pitched into the pot.
The rift between mainland Europe and Britain is not so different from that between the two Chinas, only that they are not fighting each other with missiles and submarines any more but now have come to the level of dueling by the means of trading taxes and infrastructure cuts. Berlin is so bitter that London decided fiscal responsibility meant hurting the feelings of the industry lobbyists that they chose virtually overnight to stick it all to the banking sector. Which is quite ridiculous since at this point the euro currency doesn´t even manage to get its growth expectations harmonized with its climate goals.
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