Video: Rachel Maddow and Rand Paul
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 7:13:51pm |
I like how charles didn't really include any commentary on the video.
There's really very little you can say, beyond "My God, that's awful!"
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bratwurst Wed, May 19, 2010 7:14:43pm |
It all comes down to something along the lines of "how could I be RACIST if I am just supporting FREE SPEECH?" Unreal.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 7:14:43pm |
re: #1 windsagio
There's really very little you can say, beyond "My God, that's
awfulthe GOP in 2010!"
FTFY
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Reginald Perrin Wed, May 19, 2010 7:15:36pm |
I was impressed with the way Ms. Maddow was persistent in her quest for an answer to a question Rand Paul refused to answer. She didn't raise her voice or try to talk over him but she kept asking politely again and again.
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 7:15:52pm |
"We've come to take our government back!"
Just how far back we gonna go here, Rand.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:16:11pm |
"I have a message from the Tea Party..."
Wow, shades of John Kerry....
(The tone of voice)
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Kragar Wed, May 19, 2010 7:17:50pm |
Way to miss the point of the Civil Rights act you fucking moron. The local government solution was part of the whole fucking problem.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 7:18:25pm |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The real question with the Pauls is
Are they racist themselves, or just exploiting racists?
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:19:31pm |
re: #5 Reginald Perrin
I would have just loved to see his answer on Iran or the UN. It's a shame it was a single issue interview. IMO. She could have left him hanging on the 9 parts of ten line, and gotten into something else too.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:19:33pm |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Way to miss the point of the Civil Rights act you fucking moron. The local government solution was part of the whole fucking problem.
///Hey the local government was just giving those people a free trip to a cheap water park and introducing them to some friendly canines!
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:20:26pm |
re: #10 windsagio
I'd say exploiting but just a guess.
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Charles Johnson Wed, May 19, 2010 7:20:30pm |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Way to miss the point of the Civil Rights act you fucking moron. The local government solution was part of the whole fucking problem.
Actually, I don't think he missed that point at all.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 7:20:38pm |
re: #5 Reginald Perrin
It's the "broken record" act. Works really well.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 7:21:53pm |
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Kragar Wed, May 19, 2010 7:21:59pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:23:47pm |
re: #14 Charles
Separatism light? Trying to make it sound more palatable.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 7:24:00pm |
re: #14 Charles
Actually, I don't think he missed that point at all.
Not in the least. That is why I mentioned downstairs that I think he is brilliant (in an evil political way.)
This is the exact same scenario in education, where creationists have learned to not campaign on creationism but local school board control over what is taught.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:24:55pm |
re: #19 freetoken
Not in the least. That is why I mentioned downstairs that I think he is brilliant (in an evil political way.)
This is the exact same scenario in education, where creationists have learned to not campaign on creationism but local school board control over what is taught.
Of course the fact that this kind of rhetoric has evolved into Rand Paul's current stance makes their creationist one all the more ironic.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 7:27:38pm |
Rand Paul might or might not be a racist. His father certainly had some racist views and associations so it's entirely possible he inherited racist views. However, his real problem is he's a fundamentalist. Any form of fundamentalism allows people to turn off all logic and rational thought. He's hiding behind his form of libertarianism and not allowing himself to express his own views, he'll only adhere to an ideology.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 7:28:53pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
A little oversimplification of 'fundamentalism', maybe >>
Change it to 'religious extremist', more accurate.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 7:29:16pm |
Repost
Anti-Semites and racists rejoice over Rand Paul win.
Warning: hate speech follows.
From David Duke's site.
Old traitor Arlen Specter is voted out. Rand Paul wins Kentucky primary.
by James Buchanan
The Jewish media has been dismissive of the Tea Party movement from the start. They denied it media coverage. They pretended that it was a fringe movement. They didn’t even get the message when the first couple Democrats got picked off in special elections. The first cluster of primary results on May 18th have just come in, and it’s great news. A long-time closet liberal Jew, who hid in the Republican Party for decades voting for gun control and Amnesty, Arlen Specter, lost his primary race after switching to the Democrat Party, and the son of Ron Paul, Dr. Rand Paul has just won the Republican primary in Kentucky. This is one of the worst set backs for the enemy in decades, and this is only the beginning.
SNIP
It’s long overdue that McCain is thrown on the trash heap of history. If McCain can go from a presidential candidate to an out of work old man in just two years, that will be an incredible demonstration of the power of the Tea Party movement and solid proof that things can be changed in America. The Tea Party by the way is just the beginning. The real revolution is building up in the wake of the Tea Party movement, and it will be radical beyond a liberal’s worst nightmare.
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darthstar Wed, May 19, 2010 7:29:25pm |
Live video of the oil gusher to be made available as early as tonight here:
[Link: www.globalwarming.house.gov...]
BP finally relented to congress, when told, "It may be BP's camera, but it's America's ocean." Finally.
Oh, and the latest calculation from the engineering scientist at Purdue is 70,000 barrels a day from one leak, and 25,000 barrels a day from the second...that's 95,000 barrels a day for those who believe in 'drill baby drill.'
In other words, and Exxon Valdez every three days, which means this oil spill is already 10 times larger than the Valdez.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:29:38pm |
re: #6 windsagio
So the very same Tea Party that backed Rand Paul is gooing to back the more moderate Californian candidate for the Republican challenge to Barbara Boxer. Carly Fiorina has Sarah Palins endorsement! Craven bow to the more moderate state?
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 7:30:01pm |
This man is such a jerk. Let's talk about the ADA. Americans for Disability Act. I knew a man, Drew Batavia, who passed away a few years ago who helped write the ADA. Drew was a quadriplegic lawyer. He was disabled at age 16 in a car wreck.
Drew worked in a lawfirm in Miami on the 22nd floor. Should the physically disabled be jeopardized because they aren't as mobile? Why should they "get an office on the first floor" away from equipment, computers and colleagues? Drew contributed more to society than most able-bodied folks. Seems like this Rand thinks like that other Rand.
Drew was a complicated man with complicated problems, but a bigger hearted person you couldn't find. He and his wife also adopted a brother and sister from Russia.
From the mid-1980s to the early 1990s, [Drew] worked in Washington, where he helped write the ADA Regulations in 1989. He was a special assistant to Attorney General Richard Thornburgh in the first Bush administration, associate director of the White House Domestic Policy Council and executive director of the National Council on Disability. He was a White House Fellow and later served as Arizona Sen. John McCain's legislative assistant. A prolific writer on disability and right-to-die issues, he briefly wrote a disability issues column for The Miami Herald in 1997 after moving to South Florida because he liked the warmer weather. Batavia filed a Friend of the Court brief with the US Supreme Court in 1997, favoring a terminally ill person's right to choose his or her time of death, a position vigorously opposed by many other disability activists who feared it would lead to the abuse of disabled people's rights.
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Obdicut Wed, May 19, 2010 7:30:05pm |
re: #23 Gus 802
And reposting my reply:
This is getting goddamn scary. He is quite clearly saying the Jewish Media is 'the enemy'. What the fuck.
Seriously, and I am not joking, that is the kind of language that wakes up the genetic Jew in me, with a "danger, danger" signal going off.
There's an evil glee in that writing. A bully's triumph.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 7:30:24pm |
re: #20 jamesfirecat
Yes, it's part of a now well worn strategy.
If directly opposing an idea might create image problems, then one turns the tables and promotes the opposite idea hidden within a broader concept.
We see it in education, where creationists will push school vouchers, (or as I said before, a more local control over the curriculum.)
We see it in the "tenth amendment" movements, which allows them to rally for something rather than rally against what they're trying to do away with (such as the CRA.)
It's slippery, it's marketing, it's now the trade and stock of politicians.
It's like at the store, when I see a bar that is advertising on bright yellow signs as "costing less", but nowhere is it mentioned that the size has shrunk!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 7:30:42pm |
re: #25 Rightwingconspirator
Meg Whittman got the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association endorsement.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 7:31:06pm |
re: #27 Obdicut
Theres a weird energy there.
Those folks are clearly thinking "The time of our Vindication has come!", when it seems really to be their last gasp.
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Kragar Wed, May 19, 2010 7:32:08pm |
I gave Rand 10 minutes of my time.
Who do I see about a refund?
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 7:32:11pm |
re: #27 Obdicut
And reposting my reply:
This is getting goddamn scary. He is quite clearly saying the Jewish Media is 'the enemy'. What the fuck.
Seriously, and I am not joking, that is the kind of language that wakes up the genetic Jew in me, with a "danger, danger" signal going off.
There's an evil glee in that writing. A bully's triumph.
I'd say these people have to be watched like a hawk. With the Rand Paul win the GOP has put themselves in a rather odd position considering who also supports Rand Paul in the background. They're essentially going to have to align themselves with these types of social cretins by default.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 7:32:53pm |
re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hello Kitty?
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 7:32:59pm |
Rand Paul has much more polish than the old man - although they are cut from the same cloth.
I call them Cro-Magnon Libertarians for their steadfast rejection of Privacy Rights (Griswold) and their rabid anti-dollar views.
Libertarian Gary Johnson is a modern Libertarian - by contrast.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:33:24pm |
re: #29 Floral Giraffe
A big plus for her.
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 7:34:09pm |
re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You refund has been spent on Golden Seeds@!
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:34:47pm |
re: #29 Floral Giraffe
Actually that makes more sense. Why did far right DeVore not get Sarah's? Gotta be a good story there.
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Dadaist Wed, May 19, 2010 7:36:22pm |
Good God, could somebody not have warned me about the Spawn of Ron's voice before I clicked on the play button?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 7:37:10pm |
re: #38 Rightwingconspirator
Actually that makes more sense. Why did far right DeVore not get Sarah's? Gotta be a good story there.
Money, somewhere, somehow. CSU Stanislaus? (tinfoily I know)
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:37:14pm |
re: #39 Dadaist
Good God, could somebody not have warned me about the Spawn of Ron's voice before I clicked on the play button?
Yes you're right, its like, there's a bad lack of emotion, its not even funny like with John Kerry, it's just... disturbing...
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 7:37:24pm |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Way to miss the point of the Civil Rights act you fucking moron. The local government solution was part of the whole fucking problem.
But, he wouldn't shop at that Woolworth's/ That's a part of the 50's and 60's I don't want to revisit. I recall traveling with a black Korean war, Navy NCO back in the late 50's and seeing my first segregated lunch counter at a bus stop. I wanted to join him at the "negro" counter, but he suggested we eat in the bus for my protection.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 7:38:24pm |
Kudos to Maddow. She did an excellent job on this. You could easily have this same discussion with Rand about the civil war. He's sunk and I don't think he's politically smart enough to recover from this. He's stuck with these views. This is why "libertarians" will not make significant gains in American politics.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 7:38:28pm |
re: #43 avanti
Cute guy in your new avatar.
Is it you?
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:39:24pm |
re: #41 Stanley Sea
Dunno. Real mystery. My guess is as stated-wentglomming onto the likely winner.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 7:39:29pm |
re: #45 Floral Giraffe
One hopes so, 'cuz yeah. Handsome fella.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 7:39:42pm |
re: #39 Dadaist
Good God, could somebody not have warned me about the Spawn of Ron's voice before I clicked on the play button?
LOL!
Spawn of Ron.
Rotating title nomination!
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Batman Wed, May 19, 2010 7:40:27pm |
If you're going to be the outsider candidate who represents the average american and who is going to show the elitist fatcats in Washington what's what, you should definitely not sound like the most politiciany politican that has ever graced the television.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 7:41:04pm |
re: #49 nonsense
That sentence was so freakin' epic. I think I'm in love!
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:41:45pm |
re: #49 nonsense
If you're going to be the outsider candidate who represents the average american and who is going to show the elitist fatcats in Washington what's what, you should definitely not sound like the most politiciany politican that has ever graced the television.
"Politicany" That's going right in the dictionary with "There you go trying ot strawman me again...."
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 7:42:39pm |
re: #47 windsagio
One hopes so, 'cuz yeah. Handsome fella.
I think it is. (guess) and I'm impressed.
Avanti!
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 7:43:25pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
This is why "libertarians" will not make significant gains in American politics.
The only issue I have with that statement is, well, small rudders steer big boats.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:44:55pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
Overheard in my office- One conservative guy to the boss a politically conservative Jew- Rand Paul is good news and bad news. the good news is he is taking government back from the Democrats. The bad news is he is taking government back for Jesus.
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 7:44:59pm |
re: #45 Floral Giraffe
Cute guy in your new avatar.
Is it you?
Is an "icon" the same as an avatar?
I just uploaded my personal icon.
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 7:45:00pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
Rand Paul might or might not be a racist. His father certainly had some racist views and associations so it's entirely possible he inherited racist views. However, his real problem is he's a fundamentalist. Any form of fundamentalism allows people to turn off all logic and rational thought. He's hiding behind his form of libertarianism and not allowing himself to express his own views, he'll only adhere to an ideology.
I get his extreme libertarian concept, in theory. If you are a Muslim, you don't have to rent to a Jew, if a racist, you can shun another race and so on, but in reality, it'll never work. You have to give up some personal liberty of being a ass hole for the greater good.
Feel free to hate who you like, but not act on it in your business or accommodation.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 19, 2010 7:45:15pm |
re: #53 freetoken
The only issue I have with that statement is, well, small rudders steer big boats.
Heh. That reminded me of Wag the Dog. Loved that movie.
Stanley Motss: The President will be a hero. He brought peace.
Conrad 'Connie' Brean: But there was never a war.
Stanley Motss: All the greater accomplishment.
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 7:46:00pm |
re: #45 Floral Giraffe
Cute guy in your new avatar.
Is it you?
Yea, fairly recent too, only about 50 years ago.:)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, May 19, 2010 7:46:43pm |
re: #2 Dark_Falcon
LUAP DNAR!
Son of LUAP NOR, the Jessek of Gutenarch, Ruler of Kozoc and The Outerlands, Destroyer of the Nundspeer, and Architect of the Treaty of Hoa'tk'ut'urrzne.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:46:55pm |
re: #56 Linden Arden
Is an "icon" the same as an avatar?
I just uploaded my personal icon.
When does he/she become Fox's new mascot?
"Did you hear that Foxy the Fox News Fox?"
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 7:48:10pm |
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 7:48:14pm |
re: #52 Stanley Sea
I think it is. (guess) and I'm impressed.
Avanti!
Someday, I may post a recent one, once I'm sure the Bircher's don't take over.
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Obdicut Wed, May 19, 2010 7:48:44pm |
re: #59 avanti
Man, I hope I'm still as with it when I'm your age. You're still sharp as an anchor.
I mean, the sharp part of a sharp anchor.
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 7:49:41pm |
re: #64 Obdicut
Man, I hope I'm still as with it when I'm your age. You're still sharp as an anchor.
I mean, the sharp part of a sharp anchor.
I can hide my own Easter eggs.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 7:50:23pm |
re: #64 Obdicut
Man, I hope I'm still as with it when I'm your age. You're still sharp as an anchor.
I mean, the sharp part of a sharp anchor.
Me?,, sharp as a marble!
wait ,, huh !?!?
//
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 7:50:35pm |
re: #57 avanti
Like many concepts that even seem to work only on paper-It's a two dimensional view of a 3 dimensional world.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:50:49pm |
"Does the owner of a restaurant own his restaurant or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates."
I'm sorry, I have to say this....
"I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question: "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?" "No," says the man in Washington, "It belongs to the poor!" "No," says the man in the Vatican, "It belongs to God!"
"No," says the man in Moscow, "It belongs to everyone!" I rejected those answers."
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 7:51:16pm |
OK, is the Stormfront and Birch Society connections to Paul too tenuous (in their minds) for the media or his opponents to take on? (I'm really curious, not rhetorical)
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 7:51:26pm |
re: #67 Rightwingconspirator
Like many concepts that even seem to work only on paper-It's a two dimensional view of a 3 dimensional world.
Well put.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 7:52:20pm |
Update from Politico:
UPDATE: A reader notes that Paul articulated his view on the Civil Rights Act in an interview with the editorial board of the Louisville Courier-Journal (which called his answer (at around 1:00) "repulsive").
Paul explained that he backed the portion of the Civil Rights Act banning discrimination in public places and institutions, but that he thinks private businesses should be permitted to discriminate by race.
"I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that," he said. "I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners...."
[Link: www.politico.com...]
In short, Rand Paul believes that private business owners have a right to discriminate based on race. Which means if Rand Paul were to expand on the "lunch counter" question, Rand Paul believes that a private diner or restaurant can put up a sign that reads, "whites only."
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prairiefire Wed, May 19, 2010 7:53:27pm |
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 7:53:52pm |
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Vambo Wed, May 19, 2010 7:54:08pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
Update from Politico:
UPDATE: A reader notes that Paul articulated his view on the Civil Rights Act in an interview with the editorial board of the Louisville Courier-Journal (which called his answer (at around 1:00) "repulsive").
Paul explained that he backed the portion of the Civil Rights Act banning discrimination in public places and institutions, but that he thinks private businesses should be permitted to discriminate by race.
"I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that," he said. "I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners..."
[Link: www.politico.com...]
In short, Rand Paul believes that private business owners have a right to discriminate based on race. Which means if Rand Paul were to expand on the "lunch counter" question, Rand Paul believes that a private diner or restaurant can put up a sign that reads, "whites only."
maybe this is just me being optimistic but uh.... this guy is not getting elected.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 7:54:14pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
Update from Politico:
UPDATE: A reader notes that Paul articulated his view on the Civil Rights Act in an interview with the editorial board of the Louisville Courier-Journal (which called his answer (at around 1:00) "repulsive").
Paul explained that he backed the portion of the Civil Rights Act banning discrimination in public places and institutions, but that he thinks private businesses should be permitted to discriminate by race.
"I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that," he said. "I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners..."
[Link: www.politico.com...]
In short, Rand Paul believes that private business owners have a right to discriminate based on race. Which means if Rand Paul were to expand on the "lunch counter" question, Rand Paul believes that a private diner or restaurant can put up a sign that reads, "whites only."
Oooh goodie. What he didn't want to define his candidacy will.
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 7:54:18pm |
re: #61 jamesfirecat
When does he/she become Fox's new mascot?
"Did you hear that Foxy the Fox News Fox?"
Are you jealous? (jovial - please)
I am no fan of Fox News - but Little Red Riding Hood?
Ha! You have noted some prior posts? I hope....
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:55:26pm |
re: #78 Linden Arden
Are you jealous? (jovial - please)
I am no fan of Fox News - but Little Red Riding Hood?
Ha! You have noted some prior posts? I hope...
I know you're not a fan of Fox News, I was just joking with you.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 19, 2010 7:55:26pm |
So it comes out that Richard Goldstone author of the UN report that condemned Israel for purposely killing Palestinian civilians during the Gaza conflict, has his own closet full of skeletons: He consigned 29 blacks to the gallows when he was a judge in apartheid South Africa. He also sentenced black men to be tortured - "flogging," they called it.In response to the world (the Jews anyway) taking notice, Goldstone explains - in phrases awfully close to "I was only following orders" - that he was only acting "within the existing judicial system," namely apartheid.
Surely the Israelis must have known this last fall when he issued his holier-than-thou condemnation of the Gaza incursion. Yet the Jews pulled their punches, as they always seem to do. And that's why we're always getting decked in the public arena.
We can spend hours debating about the "context" - whether Goldstone had been a willing tool of the apartheid regime or, as his apologists explain, he actually tried to be a monkey wrench. Doesn't matter. What counts is that he sentenced to death 29 blacks in a court system that was anything but color blind. What counts is that he didn't put the Israeli actions "in context."
[snip]
Heh...soooo busted.
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 7:55:54pm |
re: #69 jamesfirecat
"Does the owner of a restaurant own his restaurant or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates."
I'm sorry, I have to say this...
"I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question: "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?" "No," says the man in Washington, "It belongs to the poor!" "No," says the man in the Vatican, "It belongs to God!"
"No," says the man in Moscow, "It belongs to everyone!" I rejected those answers."
If I own a restaurant can I serve horse meat for beef ? After all, it's my restaurant. Can I build a shopping center without building codes, or drive a car without brakes ? Damn government, I even have to serve people that look different than me./
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 7:56:02pm |
re: #75 windsagio
Man, its not every day that a newspaper calls you 'Repulsive'!
Good find, btw >
This was in the clips shown before his appearance on RM. He dismissed it by saying the Louisville Courier-Journal would never endorse a Republican, blah blah blah.
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Randall Gross Wed, May 19, 2010 7:56:20pm |
Well the interesting thing is.. [that I'm not going to answer your question because I don't want to offend my base at Stormfront...]
//
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 7:56:49pm |
re: #81 avanti
If I own a restaurant can I serve horse meat for beef ? After all, it's my restaurant. Can I build a shopping center without building codes, or drive a car without brakes ? Damn government, I even have to serve people that look different than me./
///What are speed limits, but the government trying to control us, to keep us in one place, so that they can track us easier!
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 7:56:50pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
Update from Politico:
UPDATE: A reader notes that Paul articulated his view on the Civil Rights Act in an interview with the editorial board of the Louisville Courier-Journal (which called his answer (at around 1:00) "repulsive").
Paul explained that he backed the portion of the Civil Rights Act banning discrimination in public places and institutions, but that he thinks private businesses should be permitted to discriminate by race.
"I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that," he said. "I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners..."
[Link: www.politico.com...]
In short, Rand Paul believes that private business owners have a right to discriminate based on race. Which means if Rand Paul were to expand on the "lunch counter" question, Rand Paul believes that a private diner or restaurant can put up a sign that reads, "whites only."
Maybe this kind of crap worked when Blacks couldn't vote and we didn't have large Hispanic populations, but our world has changed. So much so, in fact, that the Pauls of the world can't bear it. But it is them who will ultimately get left behind. If I have any faith in my nation, I have to believe that.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 7:57:28pm |
re: #76 Vambo
maybe this is just me being optimistic but uh... this guy is not getting elected.
Never can tell. It all depends on if the Jack Conway camp takes advantage of this information and if the Kentucky voters listen. The key will be in the campaign ads. Rand Paul has handed them a lot of dirt that they can use against him.
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Kragar Wed, May 19, 2010 7:57:38pm |
re: #80 NJDhockeyfan
Heh...sooo busted.
That whole "I was just following orders" never really seems to illicit the response they think it should, does it?
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 19, 2010 7:58:38pm |
re: #70 Stanley Sea
OK, is the Stormfront and Birch Society connections to Paul too tenuous (in their minds) for the media or his opponents to take on? (I'm really curious, not rhetorical)
Depends of the intelligence of the media and the bankroll of KY Dems.
The Courier-Journal is (was?) a very respected paper.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 7:58:44pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
Rand Paul might or might not be a racist. His father certainly had some racist views and associations so it's entirely possible he inherited racist views. However, his real problem is he's a fundamentalist. Any form of fundamentalism allows people to turn off all logic and rational thought. He's hiding behind his form of libertarianism and not allowing himself to express his own views, he'll only adhere to an ideology.
Agreed. But I think he is racist. If you're going to be fundamentalist, though, isn't the 14th amendment pretty fricking clear that equal protection is a FEDERAL obligation? Follow the constitution strictly, sure. But you have to throw out the constitution to think equal protection is not a federal issue.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 7:58:49pm |
re: #70 Stanley Sea
OK, is the Stormfront and Birch Society connections to Paul too tenuous (in their minds) for the media or his opponents to take on? (I'm really curious, not rhetorical)
Trolling for input
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Vambo Wed, May 19, 2010 7:58:55pm |
Rand Paul... at least he is nice to look at. So, that's like, one thing he has going for him.
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 7:58:57pm |
re: #74 prairiefire
You are rocking that flat top!
I've scanned all my old pictures, next I'll do my slides when the scanner gets here. I'll post lot's of pictures from my days on the USS Newport News off Vietnam for those that like really big guns.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 7:59:47pm |
re: #85 marjoriemoon
For how long should I hold my breath until Michael Steele condemns Rand Paul's views?
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compound idaho Wed, May 19, 2010 7:59:54pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
Update from Politico:
UPDATE: A reader notes that Paul articulated his view on the Civil Rights Act in an interview with the editorial board of the Louisville Courier-Journal (which called his answer (at around 1:00) "repulsive").
Paul explained that he backed the portion of the Civil Rights Act banning discrimination in public places and institutions, but that he thinks private businesses should be permitted to discriminate by race.
"I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that," he said. "I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners..."
[Link: www.politico.com...]
In short, Rand Paul believes that private business owners have a right to discriminate based on race. Which means if Rand Paul were to expand on the "lunch counter" question, Rand Paul believes that a private diner or restaurant can put up a sign that reads, "whites only."
re: #89 BryanS
Agreed. But I think he is racist. If you're going to be fundamentalist, though, isn't the 14th amendment pretty fricking clear that equal protection is a FEDERAL obligation? Follow the constitution strictly, sure. But you have to throw out the constitution to think equal protection is not a federal issue.
It is not always black and white (pun intended). Certain government contracts are for minorities only, 8(a) set aside. Is that okay?
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MandyManners Wed, May 19, 2010 8:00:19pm |
re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That whole "I was just following orders" never really seems to illicit the response they think it should, does it?
I have this strange urge to click my heels, and I'm not tallking about what Dororthy did to her ruby slippers.
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Kragar Wed, May 19, 2010 8:00:36pm |
"It says here you killed 30 men, raped their women, then burned down their houses."
"I was just following orders."
"Oh, must have been some kind of screw up then. Case dismissed."
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 8:00:44pm |
re: #88 Decatur Deb
Depends of the intelligence of the media and the bankroll of KY Dems.
The Courier-Journal is (was?) a very respected paper.
Funny, I've educated people (on blogs - whew!) of who Stormfront is. Once they heard that, they jumped back. I think all it would take is tying together. But I wonder if/why there is a hold back.
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Achilles Tang Wed, May 19, 2010 8:01:02pm |
I only watched half of this. Who needs more?
I can only pray, an atheist prayer of course, that the majority of people know what the sound of a weasel is when they hear one, or see their hairdo.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:01:57pm |
re: #95 MandyManners
I have this strange urge to click my heels, and I'm not tallking about what Dororthy did to her ruby slippers.
I see a line of beautiful girls, dressed as storm troopers, each one a gem!
With leather boots and whips on their hips,
its risque
dare I say?
S&M?
(Love it!)
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MandyManners Wed, May 19, 2010 8:02:00pm |
re: #99 Naso Tang
I only watched half of this. Who needs more?
I can only pray, an atheist prayer of course, that the majority of people know what the sound of a weasel is when they hear one, or see their hairdo.
Is that hair naturally that weird?
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:02:25pm |
re: #99 Naso Tang
I only watched half of this. Who needs more?
I can only pray, an atheist prayer of course, that the majority of people know what the sound of a weasel is when they hear one, or see their hairdo.
Yeah, that's where I stopped watching, too. He sounds way too much like his father.
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 8:02:32pm |
re: #85 marjoriemoon
Maybe this kind of crap worked when Blacks couldn't vote and we didn't have large Hispanic populations, but our world has changed. So much so, in fact, that the Pauls of the world can't bear it. But it is them who will ultimately get left behind. If I have any faith in my nation, I have to believe that.
So true.
Your comment begs a question - how did Rand Paul end up in Kentucky?
When did he move there? (His dad has been in Texas for decades)
Why?
Now - Hillary Clinton carpetbagged to run in New York but everyone knew it.
Does Kentucky play like New York?
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MandyManners Wed, May 19, 2010 8:02:39pm |
re: #100 jamesfirecat
I see a line of beautiful girls, dressed as storm troopers, each one a gem!
With leather boots and whips on their hips,
its risque
dare I say?
S&M?(Love it!)
You crack me up, kid!
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:03:47pm |
It will be interesting to watch who comes to Luap dnar's defense over the next couple of days.
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Interesting Times Wed, May 19, 2010 8:03:52pm |
re: #27 Obdicut
The Stormfront thread on his victory was...beyond description. They were discussing a letter Paul wrote about Israel, and debating whether or not he was anti-Semitic enough:
Neo-Nazi one:
If I was running, I would blather on and on about how Israel has a right to defend itself blah blah blah. Hell, I'd 'swear allegiance' to them with my hand on a stack of Torahs, if that's what it took. Then I would stab them in the back every chance I got, all the while smiling about how I 'love the Jewish people'. They have gotten so predictable that as long as you SAY the right things you can ALMOST do anything you want, short of donning a swastika arm-band. We are in a war, ladies and gentleman. The advantages of force and power are NOT on our side. There are no rules when you are in a war like this. This is for ALL the marbles. Throw 'honor' out the window when it comes to your dealings with the enemy. You can be guarenteed he has.
Neo-Nazi two:
[starts off by quoting another] "He must pay a price for a Senate seat. Swear fealty to Israel or be politically destroyed. That's just the way it is. Let us not condemn a man who would be our friend on most issues. Not the most important issue, I admit, but most issues."You really need to get a grip. I'll assume you live in a remote Montana cabin and have limited access to our Jew controlled media. Anyone who challenges the Zionists at this point is a suicidel maniac. They own the media. It would be like telling your landord you demand $1 a month rent....or else. Rand Paul is making inroads that can be expanded upon later down the road.
With friends like these...
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:03:55pm |
re: #94 compound idaho
It is not always black and white (pun intended). Certain government contracts are for minorities only, 8(a) set aside. Is that okay?
I'm not a fan of set asides, but that depends in my view on whether there is an existing pervasive barrier to a discriminated group from equal protection of the law. As a means of combating existing pervasive discrimination, it is a legitimate tool. However, when to roll that back is I think a legitimate point to debate.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:04:18pm |
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 8:04:22pm |
re: #99 Naso Tang
I only watched half of this. Who needs more?
I can only pray, an atheist prayer of course, that the majority of people know what the sound of a weasel is when they hear one, or see their hairdo.
Day one of his election campaign did not go well.The poor bastard is in trouble if he does not move to the center, and he's screwed with his base if he does.
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Achilles Tang Wed, May 19, 2010 8:04:28pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
Is that hair naturally that weird?
I think it may be Wall Street chic, in 2010. But what do I know, I prefer the hicks.
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Kragar Wed, May 19, 2010 8:04:52pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 8:05:16pm |
re: #106 publicityStunted
I hate updinging the reporting of such shit. But you paid the price to find it, I will recip.
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 8:05:16pm |
re: #103 Linden Arden
His fundraising was interesting:
Then again, there is something distinctly outsider-y in Rand Paul's fundraising. Paul has raised much more money out of state than he did in-state. His last Federal Elections Commission filing showed him with $742,000 from out of state sources, and $217,000 from in-state donations.[Link: images.salon.com...]
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:06:49pm |
re: #106 publicityStunted
Holy crap.
(as an aside, you gotta love how NN#2 mocks the other one for being in a 'remote area'...riiiight...'cause you're chillin' in Midtown, homey? lolz...)
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:06:55pm |
re: #89 BryanS
Agreed. But I think he is racist. If you're going to be fundamentalist, though, isn't the 14th amendment pretty fricking clear that equal protection is a FEDERAL obligation? Follow the constitution strictly, sure. But you have to throw out the constitution to think equal protection is not a federal issue.
You might be right. He may very well be using his libertarian philosophy as a rationalization. I can't quite tell yet.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:06:57pm |
re: #106 publicityStunted
I guess Rand Paul isn't Goebbels enough...///
(Is it breaking Godwin's Law if we're talking about real Neo-Nazis?)
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Randall Gross Wed, May 19, 2010 8:06:59pm |
re: #114 jaunte
His fundraising was interesting:
That Sam Francis crowd recognizes one of their own.
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Vambo Wed, May 19, 2010 8:07:08pm |
re: #106 publicityStunted
The Stormfront thread on his victory was...beyond description. They were discussing a letter Paul wrote about Israel, and debating whether or not he was anti-Semitic enough:
Neo-Nazi one:
With friends like these...
Someone should tell them that only liberals hate Israel.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:07:53pm |
re: #119 Vambo
Someone should tell them that only liberals hate Israel.
No lets not, the GOP is welcome to them the same way they were welcome to Strom Thurmond...
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MandyManners Wed, May 19, 2010 8:08:28pm |
re: #106 publicityStunted
The Stormfront thread on his victory was...beyond description. They were discussing a letter Paul wrote about Israel, and debating whether or not he was anti-Semitic enough:
Neo-Nazi one:
With friends like these...
Sounds like a couple of members of Hamas or the PA.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:08:46pm |
re: #119 Vambo
Someone should tell them that only liberals hate Israel.
Glenn Beck would say that they must be Liberals since they hate Israel.
Tell me I'm wrong.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:08:48pm |
re: #106 publicityStunted
The Stormfront thread on his victory was...beyond description. They were discussing a letter Paul wrote about Israel, and debating whether or not he was anti-Semitic enough:
Neo-Nazi one:
With friends like these...
Yikes!
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 19, 2010 8:09:13pm |
re: #98 Stanley Sea
Funny, I've educated people (on blogs - whew!) of who Stormfront is. Once they heard that, they jumped back. I think all it would take is tying together. But I wonder if/why there is a hold back.
He'll have a harder time explaining his position on coal.
(UofL, '72--UK '74)
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:09:32pm |
re: #93 freetoken
For how long should I hold my breath until Michael Steele condemns Rand Paul's views?
Moderate Republicans are losing (have lost?) control of their party. At this point, even if someone spoke up, I don't know how much they could recover.
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 8:09:39pm |
Awesome interview. As usual, Rachel politely went for the jugular.
In my opinion, it's pretty clear that Rand Paul is not a racist - he just holds extreme views on property rights (that he conflates with 1st Amendment rights). Rachel did a superb job on highlighting the horrendous consequences of Paul's political philosophy: if you live in a racist/homophobic small town, you are de facto excluded from the vast majority of private services, all in the name of "freedom from government control".
In sum, libertarians have a problem with how the real world works. Hey, what else is new?
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 8:09:41pm |
re: #118 Thanos
George Packer thinks it may be part of a trend to a more direct democracy:
The fall of Arlen Specter and the rise of Rand Paul don’t make an overnight revolution in American politics. Instead, they continue trends that have been with us for a while: the decline of party establishments, the erosion of the center in Congress, the power of media (mainly conservative) to control the political agenda. We are seeing the rise of the politician as electronic loner, brought to power in a system that looks more like direct democracy than republican government.
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]
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MandyManners Wed, May 19, 2010 8:09:48pm |
re: #111 Naso Tang
I think it may be Wall Street chic, in 2010. But what do I know, I prefer the hicks.
Thanks to NJDhockeyfan, I'm getting to see it again. It's bizarre.
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Renaissance_Man Wed, May 19, 2010 8:10:03pm |
re: #70 Stanley Sea
OK, is the Stormfront and Birch Society connections to Paul too tenuous (in their minds) for the media or his opponents to take on? (I'm really curious, not rhetorical)
We can only hope his opponents will bring these issues to light.
As for journalists, though, they have largely abrogated their responsibility to seek truth. The traditional media has been so cowed by a minority shrieking about bias, which really means 'you don't attack the people I hate enough', that any exposition of skeletons such as this would only be done in an equivocal, namby-pamby sort of way. It would be, 'critics say' he has racist connections and platforms, while 'supporters insist' that he is a defender of individual rights and an anti-government crusader. A discussion of these sorts of issues, such as the merits and flaws in knee-jerk antigovernmentalism and racism versus the rights of the individual, is too highbrow for the modern media. People would turn it off - thinking about it would either be too hard, or make them confront unpleasant truths, or confront their own opinions.
A sex scandal? Now that's a story. Nobody has to think too hard about it, and everyone can be entertained.
That's really what journalism has become. What matters about a story is how entertaining it is. People aren't entertained when you make them consider opinions and either modify them or reject them. We hate changing our opinions. We'd much rather have our opinions reinforced, and be entertained while we do it.
Real investigative journalism is no longer a mass media product. It can sound investigative, but it can't actually bring up real difficult issues. It has to be an easy motherhood statement that everyone can easily agree with and thus validate their preconceived opinions, such as 'Your Tax Dollars Wasted!' or 'Sex Scandal!' or 'Your Flag under Attack!' Then we can be entertained without thinking too hard about the issue.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 8:10:19pm |
re: #94 compound idaho
It is not always black and white (pun intended). Certain government contracts are for minorities only, 8(a) set aside. Is that okay?
That's a separate issue.
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:10:52pm |
re: #99 Naso Tang
I only watched half of this. Who needs more?
I can only pray, an atheist prayer of course, that the majority of people know what the sound of a weasel is when they hear one, or see their hairdo.
Ooo! Care to share with the group :)
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:11:39pm |
re: #125 marjoriemoon
I'm a Reagan conservative, not a moderate and whoever these people are who've hijacked my party can go to hell. I don't know what to do. Support my local nonlooney repubs I guess.
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abolitionist Wed, May 19, 2010 8:11:42pm |
Fifty years ago... Woolworth Lunch Counter - video
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:11:48pm |
re: #126 Nimed
Awesome interview. As usual, Rachel politely went for the jugular.
In my opinion, it's pretty clear that Rand Paul is not a racist - he just holds extreme views on property rights (that he conflates with 1st Amendment rights). Rachel did a superb job on highlighting the horrendous consequences of Paul's political philosophy: if you live in a racist/homophobic small town, you are de facto excluded from the vast majority of private services, all in the name of "freedom from government control".
In sum, libertarians have a problem with how the real world works. Hey, what else is new?
I've just discovered an ultra rare sea slug that allow a man to regenerate a maimed hand back to normal! Now if only I could find some place to fully take advantage of the many benefits this discovery could have for humanity.
You guys have any ideas?
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:12:18pm |
re: #132 pingjockey
I'm a Reagan conservative, not a moderate and whoever these people are who've hijacked my party can go to hell. I don't know what to do. Support my local nonlooney repubs I guess.
yep. vote for Crist!
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:12:43pm |
re: #103 Linden Arden
So true.
Your comment begs a question - how did Rand Paul end up in Kentucky?
When did he move there? (His dad has been in Texas for decades)
Why?
Now - Hillary Clinton carpetbagged to run in New York but everyone knew it.
Does Kentucky play like New York?
I thought of that too. Interesting it is.
| 137 |
Randall Gross Wed, May 19, 2010 8:12:45pm |
I just saw a tweet that Republicans voted down the Competes science bill...
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:12:49pm |
re: #132 pingjockey
As I remember, Reagan wasn't huge on civil rights or affirmitive action either >>
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:13:46pm |
re: #132 pingjockey
I'm a Reagan conservative, not a moderate and whoever these people are who've hijacked my party can go to hell.
Don't know who "these people" are, but I thought the Tea Partiers were absolutely in love with Reagan?
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:14:07pm |
re: #138 windsagio
As I remember, Reagan wasn't huge on civil rights or affirmitive action either >>
civil rights ≠ affirmative action
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:14:42pm |
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:14:50pm |
re: #140 freetoken
Well, you couldn't prove it by me! They seem mad beyond words.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:15:00pm |
re: #141 pingjockey
Since you asked politely, can you point out the way? :D
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:15:07pm |
re: #138 windsagio
As I remember, Reagan wasn't huge on civil rights or affirmitive action either >>
Wind, come one, it's ancient history. No need to bring stuff like this up.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:15:15pm |
re: #137 Thanos
Yup. Even with the Pr0n provision in the compromise that was offered.
Meanwhile, over in Chicago, the Heartland Institute crowd is shouting "To Jail" when talking about Michael Mann.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:15:32pm |
re: #142 Aceofwhat?
Problem is that railing about the latter is often a smokescreen for opposing the former.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:16:32pm |
re: #146 JasonA
Lol took me a second, but that made me laugh :D
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:16:34pm |
re: #148 windsagio
Problem is that railing about the latter is often a smokescreen for opposing the former.
that doesn't mean i'll let you conflate the two, friend...
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:16:35pm |
re: #145 windsagio
Too much gov't spending, on programs that are duplicated, triplicated, too much gov't intrusion into our personal lives, too many taxes.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 8:17:06pm |
re: #129 Renaissance_Man
We can only hope his opponents will bring these issues to light.
As for journalists, though, they have largely abrogated their responsibility to seek truth. The traditional media has been so cowed by a minority shrieking about bias, which really means 'you don't attack the people I hate enough', that any exposition of skeletons such as this would only be done in an equivocal, namby-pamby sort of way. It would be, 'critics say' he has racist connections and platforms, while 'supporters insist' that he is a defender of individual rights and an anti-government crusader. A discussion of these sorts of issues, such as the merits and flaws in knee-jerk antigovernmentalism and racism versus the rights of the individual, is too highbrow for the modern media. People would turn it off - thinking about it would either be too hard, or make them confront unpleasant truths, or confront their own opinions.
A sex scandal? Now that's a story. Nobody has to think too hard about it, and everyone can be entertained.
That's really what journalism has become. What matters about a story is how entertaining it is. People aren't entertained when you make them consider opinions and either modify them or reject them. We hate changing our opinions. We'd much rather have our opinions reinforced, and be entertained while we do it.
Real investigative journalism is no longer a mass media product. It can sound investigative, but it can't actually bring up real difficult issues. It has to be an easy motherhood statement that everyone can easily agree with and thus validate their preconceived opinions, such as 'Your Tax Dollars Wasted!' or 'Sex Scandal!' or 'Your Flag under Attack!' Then we can be entertained without thinking too hard about the issue.
Renaissance, you nail it. Thanks.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, May 19, 2010 8:17:11pm |
re: #103 Linden Arden
So true.
Your comment begs a question - how did Rand Paul end up in Kentucky?
When did he move there? (His dad has been in Texas for decades)
Why?
Now - Hillary Clinton carpetbagged to run in New York but everyone knew it.
Does Kentucky play like New York?
Not defending him in the slightest but, he has already lived there long enough to do a tour of duty overseas as a member of the Kentucky National Guard. I can't remember off the top of my head if it was in Iraq or Afghanistan, but he did just return from a years overseas tour a couple of months ago.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:17:26pm |
re: #150 Aceofwhat?
Fair enough.
I'm not sure I'm up for tackling the Reagan juggernaut tonight anyways.
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 8:17:33pm |
re: #142 Aceofwhat?
civil rights ≠ affirmative action
Not even close to equivalent.
Worth repeating.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:18:14pm |
re: #133 abolitionist
Fifty years ago... Woolworth Lunch Counter - video
Fuck yeah! That's what real patriots are all about. These Tea Party assholes and Rand Paul are bastardizing terms like Liberty, Freedom and the Constitution itself.
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compound idaho Wed, May 19, 2010 8:18:22pm |
re: #107 BryanS
I'm not a fan of set asides, but that depends in my view on whether there is an existing pervasive barrier to a discriminated group from equal protection of the law. As a means of combating existing pervasive discrimination, it is a legitimate tool. However, when to roll that back is I think a legitimate point to debate.
I am not a fan, nor do I have a big problem with set asides, but I do not get the constitutional justification for them, equal protection, non discrimination etc. Seems like the case for set asides is as you have suggested, just seems fair, not too big a cost.
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MandyManners Wed, May 19, 2010 8:19:21pm |
Got the sick young'un asleep and it's now my turn.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:19:39pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Well, the folks over at NRO think you're just hyperventilating.
Here are two of them who raise this issue, skip to about 5:30 in the vid:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:19:40pm |
Oh, you guys are being silly.
Luap Dnar doesn't have a chance.
Unless, it turns out he's not a psychopath and actually has some good ideas.
But, I'm sure that won't be considered.
We've got quite a bit of time to figure out. As do the good people of Kentucky. Let them sort it out. Unless you live there? They don't give a flip what you think.
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webevintage Wed, May 19, 2010 8:19:48pm |
HA!
We are watching it right now on repeat....
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:19:57pm |
re: #138 windsagio
What did RWR do against either civil rights or affirmitive action? I don't like affirmitive action. If you are the best person you should get the job. I understand why we have it, but I wish to God we were past such petty crap as a human beings skin tone.
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aurelius Wed, May 19, 2010 8:19:58pm |
wingnuts are trying to swiftboat the connecticut (D) AG Blumenthal.
Apparently he said he served "in Vietnam", which wasn't true, but earlier in the speech he said he served "during Vietnam". So any idiot could see he just misspoke later, and nobody in the crowd would have actually thought he served in Vietnam.
swiftboating at its worst.
Kos had a good piece on this.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:20:26pm |
re: #162 pingjockey
I've already withdrawn from this fight >>
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:20:43pm |
re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, you guys are being silly.
Luap Dnar doesn't have a chance.
Unless, it turns out he's not a psychopath and actually has some good ideas.
But, I'm sure that won't be considered.
We've got quite a bit of time to figure out. As do the good people of Kentucky. Let them sort it out. Unless you live there? They don't give a flip what you think.
Betcha their candidates will give more than a flip for our campaign contributions, though.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 8:21:19pm |
re: #106 publicityStunted
The Stormfront thread on his victory was...beyond description. They were discussing a letter Paul wrote about Israel, and debating whether or not he was anti-Semitic enough:
Neo-Nazi one:
With friends like these...
Hopefully, the Dem takes words like that and confronts RP with them. He's liked by all the wrong people and its legitimate to ask him why that is so.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:21:30pm |
re: #166 JasonA
And that is how it is played.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:21:53pm |
re: #163 aurelius
There's a whole thread on this from yesterday.
BTW, one of the forces behind this is his possible opponent Linda McMahon, who is not a "wingnut" but might be the last non-wingnut Republican to run.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 8:22:41pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 8:22:58pm |
Hey where is Cato? I kinda miss his Reagan snarks.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:22:59pm |
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:23:14pm |
re: #165 windsagio
Oh ok. Wasn't gonna fight. Was genuinely interested. I spent from '77 to '97 in the navy, so maybe I was insulated from Civil Rights/Affirm. Action things. I don't know about the officer corps but in the enlisted ranks, advancement in by merit and knowledge.
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Interesting Times Wed, May 19, 2010 8:23:18pm |
re: #113 Stanley Sea
I hate updinging the reporting of such shit. But you paid the price to find it, I will recip.
Believe me, I hesitated a looong time before posting it (and you should have seen what I left out!)
I guess I believe that sometimes, it's not enough to merely describe a sewer's stench - people need to smell for themselves to realize just how toxic it is.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:23:27pm |
re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm closer to you, I think.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:23:28pm |
re: #154 windsagio
Fair enough.
I'm not sure I'm up for tackling the Reagan juggernaut tonight anyways.
eh, that's ok. i barely noticed the reference...
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 8:23:58pm |
re: #163 aurelius
Wingnuts will attempt to swiftboat Admiral Sestak soon.
On Blumenthal - I understand the primary is in September. If so - his fate will be known mid-summer.
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:24:45pm |
re: #126 Nimed
Awesome interview. As usual, Rachel politely went for the jugular.
In my opinion, it's pretty clear that Rand Paul is not a racist - he just holds extreme views on property rights (that he conflates with 1st Amendment rights). Rachel did a superb job on highlighting the horrendous consequences of Paul's political philosophy: if you live in a racist/homophobic small town, you are de facto excluded from the vast majority of private services, all in the name of "freedom from government control".
In sum, libertarians have a problem with how the real world works. Hey, what else is new?
Well call me crazy, but I think anyone who believes someone can be denied service because of race, creed or color IS a racist. And I would seriously question anyone else who would give such a person rights to exercise racism.
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 8:25:06pm |
re: #132 pingjockey
I'm a Reagan conservative, not a moderate and whoever these people are who've hijacked my party can go to hell. I don't know what to do. Support my local nonlooney repubs I guess.
re: #138 windsagio
As I remember, Reagan wasn't huge on civil rights or affirmitive action either >>
re: #142 Aceofwhat?
civil rights ≠ affirmative action
re: #146 JasonA
Wind, come one, it's ancient history. No need to bring stuff like this up.
re: #154 windsagio
Fair enough.
I'm not sure I'm up for tackling the Reagan juggernaut tonight anyways.
pingjockey, if it's not too uncomfortable, you may always have a look at this. It's Wikipedia, but it's properly sourced.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Saint Reagan was not actually a saint. Just to be clear, this also applies to pretty much every Democratic President.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:25:26pm |
re: #172 Stanley Sea
Its kinda sad. She did a very very brave thing, and they can only spew hate.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:25:29pm |
re: #163 aurelius
I was in Vietnam.
Well, I was alive during Vietnam.
Oh, C'mon.
Don't be so obviously partisan.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:25:49pm |
re: #180 marjoriemoon
Well call me crazy, but I think anyone who believes someone can be denied service because of race, creed or color IS a racist. And I would seriously question anyone else who would give such a person rights to exercise racism.
Luap Dnar... not a drunk just the worlds worst enabler....
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:25:51pm |
re: #132 pingjockey
I'm a Reagan conservative, not a moderate and whoever these people are who've hijacked my party can go to hell. I don't know what to do. Support my local nonlooney repubs I guess.
There are other choices!
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:26:00pm |
re: #173 Rightwingconspirator
Hey where is Cato? I kinda miss his Reagan snarks.
I keep thinking about filling in, but I'm not up to it most days, its a tough nut to crack.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:26:02pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 8:26:05pm |
re: #176 publicityStunted
Believe me, I hesitated a looong time before posting it (and you should have seen what I left out!)
I guess I believe that sometimes, it's not enough to merely describe a sewer's stench - people need to smell for themselves to realize just how toxic it is.
You are completely correct.
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austin_blue Wed, May 19, 2010 8:26:37pm |
re: #171 freetoken
There's a whole thread on this from yesterday.
BTW, one of the forces behind this is his possible opponent Linda McMahon, who is not a "wingnut" but might be the last non-wingnut Republican to run.
So is he guaranteed to fail, in this political toxicity?
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:26:39pm |
re: #181 Nimed
Never thought the man was a saint. Heh. I think I would've rather had beers with bubba than beers with RWR!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:27:46pm |
re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That didn't come out like I wanted it to look.
The guy in MA is a lying fuck.
There. That's better.
Caught in a bald faced lie? Not exactly "swiftboating".
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 8:27:53pm |
re: #186 windsagio
You got the chops, you just need to learn Latin.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:28:29pm |
re: #190 pingjockey
Never thought the man was a saint. Heh. I think I would've rather had beers with bubba than beers with RWR!
'Cause of the hot chicks?
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:30:06pm |
re: #189 austin_blue
Unknown. Seems like this race is a big question mark. The GOP has the ideological Schiff (the Tea Party fav), McMahon (cut from the same mold as Collins and Snowe), and smaller names. Blumenthal was the Dem guy but if this thing sticks they can always go with someone else.
Dodd's old seat is a real unknown now, but I find it hard to believe that someone as Tea Party-ish could win the general election in Conn. McMahon is the state's type of Republican, but she is catching lots of flack over the various WWE issues.
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:30:33pm |
re: #181 Nimed
See, I'm sure that's one of the things windsagio would have brought up, but I never knew. Spent from Feb of '80 to Oct of '80 floating around the Persian Gulf/Indian Ocean thanks to a little issue with some hostages in Iran.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:30:51pm |
re: #195 freetoken
Unknown. Seems like this race is a big question mark. The GOP has the ideological Schiff (the Tea Party fav), McMahon (cut from the same mold as Collins and Snowe), and smaller names. Blumenthal was the Dem guy but if this thing sticks they can always go with someone else.
Dodd's old seat is a real unknown now, but I find it hard to believe that someone as Tea Party-ish could win the general election in Conn. McMahon is the state's type of Republican, but she is catching lots of flack over the various WWE issues.
She's having wrestling problems?
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 8:30:57pm |
re: #163 aurelius
IF he has made (mispoke) the statement once, or even twice, understandable
But iirc there are numerous instances where he makes the claim
ALSO.. he has claimed that he was captain of his Harvard swim team
Harvard says,, umm,, not so much!
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Daniel Ballard Wed, May 19, 2010 8:31:07pm |
OT
I like the program F.lux. At sundown it warms the color of my monitor. Actually helps my insomnia.
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compound idaho Wed, May 19, 2010 8:31:17pm |
re: #190 pingjockey
Never thought the man was a saint. Heh. I think I would've rather had beers with bubba than beers with RWR!
It would be great to have had a beer with either one of them. Honestly, they both seemed pretty intelligent interesting guys. Of coarse I would like to have a beer with pretty much anyone, present company included.
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 8:31:20pm |
re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
'Cause of the hot chicks?
Everything in human life is because of hot chicks.
Shakespeare was probably a theatre hound-dog.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:31:22pm |
re: #180 marjoriemoon
Well call me crazy, but I think anyone who believes someone can be denied service because of race, creed or color IS a racist. And I would seriously question anyone else who would give such a person rights to exercise racism.
I tend to agree with the idea of less government meddling in both social and fiscal issues. However, what is the strict constructionist justification for Rand Paul's conclusion that property rights trump the 14th amendment. That is just crap. There is no fundamentalist justification for this. I'm sympathetic to the idea of less government at the federal level, but basic individual civil rights are not a states rights issue.
Rachel Maddow did a great job of calmly picking Rand Paul apart. Tonight's performance has convinced me Rand Paul is a racist.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:31:40pm |
re: #189 austin_blue
So is he guaranteed to fail, in this political toxicity?
Personally? I think so.
Though the people of MA will decide.
I'll just sit here and call him a lying douchebag.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:31:42pm |
re: #189 austin_blue
Yo, Austin_Blue - could you make sense of what I sent you via e-mail?
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:31:52pm |
re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's possible! However, For being gov and Pres, Billy Jeff didn't exactly wind up with knockouts!
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:32:09pm |
re: #163 aurelius
wingnuts are trying to swiftboat the connecticut (D) AG Blumenthal.
Apparently he said he served "in Vietnam", which wasn't true, but earlier in the speech he said he served "during Vietnam". So any idiot could see he just misspoke later, and nobody in the crowd would have actually thought he served in Vietnam.
swiftboating at its worst.
Kos had a good piece on this.
IIRC, this isn't the only occasion on which he "misspoke". am i misreading the news, or are we really thinking that the Harvard-trained lawyer has just been a little imprecise?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 8:32:34pm |
re: #195 freetoken
Unknown. Seems like this race is a big question mark. The GOP has the ideological Schiff (the Tea Party fav), McMahon (cut from the same mold as Collins and Snowe), and smaller names. Blumenthal was the Dem guy but if this thing sticks they can always go with someone else.
Dodd's old seat is a real unknown now, but I find it hard to believe that someone as Tea Party-ish could win the general election in Conn. McMahon is the state's type of Republican, but she is catching lots of flack over the various WWE issues.
What WWE issues? Steriods, or the various bad ends wrestlers have come to? Both are fairly scandalous?
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:32:45pm |
re: #202 BryanS
Rachel Maddow did a great job of calmly picking Rand Paul apart. Tonight's performance has convinced me Rand Paul is a racist.
Well, it's convinced me that he has no qualms about enabling racists. I won't fault you for going the extra mile, though.
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webevintage Wed, May 19, 2010 8:32:55pm |
re: #161 webevintage
HA!
We are watching it right now on repeat...
Well that was something.
Maddow is pretty awesome.....
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:33:02pm |
re: #201 Linden Arden
Everything in human life is because of hot chicks.
Shakespeare was probably a theatre hound-dog.
His wife gave birth six months after they got married.
You do the math.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:33:08pm |
re: #201 Linden Arden
Everything in human life is because of hot chicks.
Shakespeare was probably a theatre hound-dog.
Is there another reason to be Shakespeare?
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 8:33:17pm |
re: #206 Aceofwhat?
IIRC, this isn't the only occasion on which he "misspoke". am i misreading the news, or are we really thinking that the Harvard-trained lawyer has just been a little imprecise?
get outta my head ! (198,,, gmta)
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:33:18pm |
re: #200 compound idaho
Yep. Bubba just seems like he'd be more laid back. Plus he sounds like a bunch of my cousins...from Arkansas!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 8:33:25pm |
re: #171 freetoken
There's a whole thread on this from yesterday.
BTW, one of the forces behind this is his possible opponent Linda McMahon, who is not a "wingnut" but might be the last non-wingnut Republican to run.
It cracks me up to the point of crying that the wife of the owner of the WWE is someone who should run for office.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:33:47pm |
re: #210 jamesfirecat
His wife gave birth six months after they got married.
You do the math.
To pull out or not to pull. That is the question!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:34:05pm |
re: #205 pingjockey
That's possible! However, For being gov and Pres, Billy Jeff didn't exactly wind up with knockouts!
Good point. The dude could've been a Miss USA judge or something.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:34:06pm |
re: #197 jamesfirecat
She's having wrestling problems?
Benoit's father just came out with a stinging attack on her. Remember Benoit, the guy that killed his wife and then killed himself?
The talking-heads want to blame it on steroids, but that is nuts. Benoit had psyche issues, and issues with drugs.
Anyway, the seedy business of "wrestling" is only a smidgen cleaner than politics. Actually, I suppose that makes McMahon well prepared for the job.
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 8:34:14pm |
re: #180 marjoriemoon
Well call me crazy, but I think anyone who believes someone can be denied service because of race, creed or color IS a racist. And I would seriously question anyone else who would give such a person rights to exercise racism.
I don't agree with you here. You can simply believe that the government should not have the power to regulate some property rights. I could not disagree more with Rand Paul in this matter, but that doesn't mean he is a racist.
Take 1st Amendment rights, for instance. Do you think the government ought to have the authority to forbid racist speech? In case you don't, do you think it's fair that someone characterizes your opinion as racist?
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:35:36pm |
re: #208 JasonA
Well, it's convinced me that he has no qualms about enabling racists. I won't fault you for going the extra mile, though.
You just have to go the extra mile to take his position. In this case, the extra mile Rand Paul goes to insist property rights trump the 14th amendment means something.
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:36:38pm |
re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If Donald Trump would let him within a mile of those girls!
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 8:36:45pm |
re: #133 abolitionist
Fifty years ago... Woolworth Lunch Counter - video
Segregation Done Past
- Mance Lipscomb
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:36:58pm |
re: #202 BryanS
I tend to agree with the idea of less government meddling in both social and fiscal issues. However, what is the strict constructionist justification for Rand Paul's conclusion that property rights trump the 14th amendment. That is just crap. There is no fundamentalist justification for this. I'm sympathetic to the idea of less government at the federal level, but basic individual civil rights are not a states rights issue.
Rachel Maddow did a great job of calmly picking Rand Paul apart. Tonight's performance has convinced me Rand Paul is a racist.
Let's start with staying out of the lives of women and their unborn babies, or trying to bring Church into the classroom. We can leave "blacks and whites eating together" alone.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:37:20pm |
re: #221 BryanS
You just have to go the extra mile to take his position. In this case, the extra mile Rand Paul goes to insist property rights trump the 14th amendment means something.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, only saying that I'm not at the point where I'd attend a counter-rally with a "Rand Paul is a Racist!" sign. Damn close, though.
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webevintage Wed, May 19, 2010 8:37:41pm |
Rand Paul confuses me.
Is he a soc con?
How can he still be a libertarian?
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 8:37:54pm |
re: #210 jamesfirecat
His wife gave birth six months after they got married.
You do the math.
Perhaps Christopher Marlowe pinch-hit for the Thespian!
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 8:37:56pm |
re: #217 freetoken
The talking-heads want to blame it on steroids, but that is nuts.
Not really
I live in Atlanta and thats where this tragedy happened. Benoit was heavily into the 'roid scene, along with Lex Lugar. His (Lex's) live in died of an overdose of steroids (among other things)
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Renaissance_Man Wed, May 19, 2010 8:38:13pm |
re: #201 Linden Arden
Everything in human life is because of hot chicks.
'If it were not for women, all the money and power in the world would mean nothing.' - Aristotle Onassis
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compound idaho Wed, May 19, 2010 8:38:15pm |
213 pingjockey
Yep. Bubba just seems like he'd be more laid back. Plus he sounds like a bunch of my cousins...from Arkansas!
My mom has 51 first cousins. She is older that some of her aunts and uncles, Louisiana
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:38:28pm |
re: #221 BryanS
You just have to go the extra mile to take his position. In this case, the extra mile Rand Paul goes to insist property rights trump the 14th amendment means something.
Ownership is civilization, Juile.Without it,we're back in the swamp...
Wow the Bioshock references are coming hard and fast tonight!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:38:40pm |
re: #222 pingjockey
If Donald Trump would let him within a mile of those girls!
The Donald would hold them down.
Silly Ping. You're not thinking of the ratings!
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:38:43pm |
re: #207 Dark_Falcon
Here's the letter published in the Harford Courant:
Wrestling Empire's Grim Toll On Performers
Here's the story about McMahon's involvement in the Blumenthal thing:
McMahon Confirms Campaign's Role In N.Y. Times Story On Blumenthal
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 8:38:51pm |
re: #204 reine.de.tout
Yo, Austin_Blue - could you make sense of what I sent you via e-mail?
I never got my copy. :(
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:39:05pm |
re: #218 Nimed
I don't agree with you here. You can simply believe that the government should not have the power to regulate some property rights. I could not disagree more with Rand Paul in this matter, but that doesn't mean he is a racist.
Take 1st Amendment rights, for instance. Do you think the government ought to have the authority to forbid racist speech? In case you don't, do you think it's fair that someone characterizes your opinion as racist?
Opinions and speech are one thing. Discriminating against allowing someone you don't particularly like, Jews, Asians, Blacks to shop at your store is entirely another. One is talk, the other is action. I don't know what that has to do with property rights.
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windsagio Wed, May 19, 2010 8:39:07pm |
I'm out for several hours too, laters for those who will still be on!
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Linden Arden Wed, May 19, 2010 8:39:21pm |
re: #230 Renaissance_Man
'If it were not for women, all the money and power in the world would mean nothing.' - Aristotle Onassis
Great!
Or more crudely - "Women have half the money and all the pussy".
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:39:51pm |
re: #231 compound idaho
Holy Moly! My moms side of the family is from Arkansas.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:39:59pm |
re: #230 Renaissance_Man
'If it were not for women, all the money and power in the world would mean nothing.' - Aristotle Onassis
Nah. We guys love seeing even our best friends beaten down sometimes. We're assholes like that.
Or to put it another way, no matter how awesome I've gotten at Halo, it has yet to get me any tail. Yet...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, May 19, 2010 8:40:00pm |
re: #81 avanti
If I own a restaurant can I serve horse meat for beef ? After all, it's my restaurant. Can I build a shopping center without building codes, or drive a car without brakes ? Damn government, I even have to serve people that look different than me./
Well, at least we can still paint baby toys with lead-based paint, insulate buildings with asbestos, dump benzene into groundwater, and drive drunk.
LIBERTY!!!
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:40:53pm |
re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Mwahaha! I dunno how good Bills' ticker is.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:41:12pm |
re: #234 freetoken
Doesn't matter, if you ask me.
If it's the truth? He lied about his service.
What more would I need if I were a MA voter?
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:41:37pm |
re: #238 windsagio
See you later! Or tomorrow. Take care.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:41:57pm |
re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What more would I need if I were a MA voter?
To live in the state of CT?
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 8:42:03pm |
re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Doesn't matter, if you ask me.
If it's the truth? He lied about his service.
What more would I need if I were a
MACONN voter?
Connecticut ,,, not Massachusetts
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:42:21pm |
re: #159 freetoken
This is not going to turn out well for them.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:42:34pm |
re: #218 Nimed
I don't agree with you here. You can simply believe that the government should not have the power to regulate some property rights. I could not disagree more with Rand Paul in this matter, but that doesn't mean he is a racist.
Take 1st Amendment rights, for instance. Do you think the government ought to have the authority to forbid racist speech? In case you don't, do you think it's fair that someone characterizes your opinion as racist?
Judges get to figure these things out for a reason, but I could imagine the possibility that speech was used prevent people from getting equal protection of the law. Racists still get to spout racist views though unless it hits the threshold of denying equal protection.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 8:42:37pm |
re: #234 freetoken
Here's the letter published in the Harford Courant:
Wrestling Empire's Grim Toll On Performers
Here's the story about McMahon's involvement in the Blumenthal thing:
McMahon Confirms Campaign's Role In N.Y. Times Story On Blumenthal
The latter doesn't bother me. She thinks Blumenthal misrepresented himself and used it against him. I don't have problem with that.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 8:42:39pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:42:43pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 8:42:52pm |
re: #241 pingjockey
My Moms side of the family is from West Virginia.
I am VERY grateful that they left.
Apologies to any who are in or like West Virginia.
As a dear friend says...
"I'm glad to be FROM there".
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:43:01pm |
re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Doesn't matter, if you ask me.
If it's the truth? He lied about his service.
What more would I need if I were a MA voter?
Please don't make me remind you of what you said about the Kentucky race, what, 20 minutes ago?
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palomino Wed, May 19, 2010 8:43:02pm |
Maybe Rand is dumb enough to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the general election. His Civil Rights Act answer suggests a type of boneheaded purity that loses elections.
Other than a fossil like Robert Byrd, is there anyone currently in Congress who would have trouble with the question, "Would you have supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act?"
It may not matter. KY is still a very red state, and blacks make up only 7% of the population. But this isn't the kind of attention that he should be drawing.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:43:58pm |
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:44:11pm |
re: #254 Floral Giraffe
Heh. I drove through WVA and that's it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:44:15pm |
re: #255 JasonA
Please don't make me remind you of what you said about the Kentucky race, what, 20 minutes ago?
Notice? I said MA (meaning CT) voter?
They decide. Not me.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:44:15pm |
re: #256 palomino
Maybe Rand is dumb enough to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the general election. His Civil Rights Act answer suggests a type of boneheaded purity that loses elections.
Other than a fossil like Robert Byrd, is there anyone currently in Congress who would have trouble with the question, "Would you have supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act?"
It may not matter. KY is still a very red state, and blacks make up only 7% of the population. But this isn't the kind of attention that he should be drawing.
Its not just the blacks, its the whites who don't want to vote for someone like this ....
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:44:20pm |
It's late May. Why the fuck am I still wearing this wool cap?
/The weather is really getting to me
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:44:21pm |
re: #218 Nimed
I don't agree with you here. You can simply believe that the government should not have the power to regulate some property rights. I could not disagree more with Rand Paul in this matter, but that doesn't mean he is a racist.
Take 1st Amendment rights, for instance. Do you think the government ought to have the authority to forbid racist speech? In case you don't, do you think it's fair that someone characterizes your opinion as racist?
I also want to point out, we're talking business here. If I don't want a Black person in my home, well that's my prerogative. But if I'm doing business in the society, I don't have that right. Government should not enable racism.
And I don't know if Rand Paul is a racist. I didn't call him one. I said I seriously question someone who would want to change the civil rights act. He's walking a pretty fine line to me.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 8:44:46pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
It's late May. Why the fuck am I still wearing this wool cap?
/The weather is really getting to me
Talk to Ludwig!
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:45:11pm |
re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Notice? I said MA (meaning CT) voter?
They decide. Not me.
I know I know. Just poking because I'm an asshole :)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 8:45:34pm |
re: #256 palomino
Maybe Rand is dumb enough to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the general election. His Civil Rights Act answer suggests a type of boneheaded purity that loses elections.
Other than a fossil like Robert Byrd, is there anyone currently in Congress who would have trouble with the question, "Would you have supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act?"
It may not matter. KY is still a very red state, and blacks make up only 7% of the population. But this isn't the kind of attention that he should be drawing.
It's not so much dumb as dogmatic. Like his father, Rand Paul does like to spin his views. He generally comes right out and says what he is thinking. I have a problem with his views, and so will many people.
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 8:45:41pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
It was 89 degrees here today. I'll give you 15 of 'em.
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 8:45:42pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:46:10pm |
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:46:17pm |
re: #249 Killgore Trout
This is not going to turn out well for them.
Not sure I would agree with you. After all, about what what do those talking heads really care? Hits on their websites and videos? Sales of magazines? Adulation from adoring fans?
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:46:36pm |
I don't think the answer to safer offshore drilling is to put it onshore...
Gulf Oil Spill: Louisiana Wetlands Blanketed With BP Crude (VIDEO)
AP) -- AT PASS A LOUTRE, La. - A chocolate-brown blanket of oil about as thick as latex paint has invaded reedy freshwater wetlands at Louisiana's southeastern tip, prompting Gov. Bobby Jindal to step up calls Wednesday for building emergency sand barriers.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 8:46:37pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
It's late May. Why the fuck am I still wearing this wool cap?
/The weather is really getting to me
It finally warmed up here in Chicagoland today. And my mother came home from the hospital today. All in all, a good day.
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 8:46:41pm |
re: #269 reine.de.tout
Summer's here, and the frogs are going nuts out back.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:46:45pm |
re: #256 palomino
Maybe Rand is dumb enough to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the general election. His Civil Rights Act answer suggests a type of boneheaded purity that loses elections.
Other than a fossil like Robert Byrd, is there anyone currently in Congress who would have trouble with the question, "Would you have supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act?"
It may not matter. KY is still a very red state, and blacks make up only 7% of the population. But this isn't the kind of attention that he should be drawing.
McConnell stated he supported Grayson because he thought he would be a better candidate in the general. He was right.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, May 19, 2010 8:46:54pm |
re: #207 Dark_Falcon
What WWE issues? Steriods, or the various bad ends wrestlers have come to? Both are fairly scandalous?
Dammit I miss the old school "Championship Wrestling from Florida" that started this whole mess. 45 year old "Dusty Rhodes" carrying 260 lbs (counting his enormous beer gut of course) could still beat Rick Flair because "Dusty" had the "Atomic Elbow" and no one could stand up to that!
I loved watching them stomp the mat each time they delivered a punch to create a sound a sound effect to cover that they were hitting the guy about as hard as you would hit your sister while play fighting out a scene from some recently watched movie.
Yeah, they may not have been able to act for shit back then, and they hadn't quite got the hang of realistic stunt fighting yet, but that was part of the charm. It was so obviously fake that it was just straight entertainment, not like today when the fans of the WWF want to "throw down" against you if you dare to call it fake.
sigh...those were simpler times I guess...
/
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Renaissance_Man Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:12pm |
re: #242 JasonA
Nah. We guys love seeing even our best friends beaten down sometimes. We're assholes like that.
Or to put it another way, no matter how awesome I've gotten at Halo, it has yet to get me any tail. Yet...
If you were in South Korea and good at Starcraft, it would get you unlimited Korean tail.
However, even beating down other guys in the most trivial of competitions is, at heart, part of the eternal quest for female attention. It consumes us at the most instinctual level. All the competing, all the bragging, all the machismo we participate in is because our genes know that at the most basic level, the top dog gets more chicks. It's why we always want to win. At anything. And if not, be the most interesting guy in the room, because standing out from the crowd is close enough. And if you can't be the most interesting, do something - anything - to stand out. The only thing you can't be is a wallflower.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:14pm |
re: #258 pingjockey
The farking attorney, I am using, claims to be a "cousin".
I think everyone in the state must be a "cousin".
And he replies to work requests every 3 MONTHS.
Yes, 3 MONTHS.
I hear the Deliverance music when I deal with them.
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:17pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
It's late May. Why the fuck am I still wearing this wool cap?
GLOBAL COOLING!!
BUY SWEATERS!!
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:18pm |
Mid 60s here in estern WA, then it dropped about 10 degrees and rained like hell this afternoon.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:36pm |
re: #267 pingjockey
Oregon. This spring has been complete shit; rain, cold, frost, hail. It's really fucked up and starting to piss me off.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:37pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
Talk about loss of sensation...
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lostlakehiker Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:41pm |
The thing about discrimination on the basis of race is that as things now stand, there is widespread racial discrimination in university admissions and in hiring and promotion. It's just that the shoe is on the other foot.
The Ricci case made a dent in this, but only a dent, and other SC cases have upheld not merely the right of Universities to discriminate in admissions, but the duty.
Discrimination has gone beyond discriminating in favor of minorities who tend not to meet merit-based admissions standards, to discriminating against the Asian minority, which tends to meet them with more room to spare than is politically comfortable for the California authorities.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:47pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
It's late May. Why the fuck am I still wearing this wool cap?
/The weather is really getting to me
Because it's cold & rainy & you like a warm head?
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 8:47:57pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:48:01pm |
re: #273 jaunte
Summer's here, and the frogs are going nuts out back.
I may be crazy.
But I love the sound of summer evenings.
Cicadas, crickets (as long as they're outside!), frogs . . .
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, May 19, 2010 8:48:09pm |
re: #226 webevintage
Rand Paul confuses me.
Is he a soc con?
How can he still be a libertarian?
I'm trying to think if there have ever been any other political figures who came out of a fringe populist movement that blamed immigrants for their every ill, who courted the support of industrialists, hard-core racists, and paranoid conspiracy kooks who saw communist infiltrators in every nook and cranny.
Hmm.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:48:18pm |
re: #272 Dark_Falcon
It finally warmed up here in Chicagoland today. And my mother came home from the hospital today. All in all, a good day.
Good news!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 19, 2010 8:48:33pm |
Exhausted. And a bit... well... lit.
Sorry for the CT/MA mixup (really, I didn't know they were separate states)
Bed.
And, don't drive like my brother.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:49:28pm |
re: #273 jaunte
Summer's here, and the frogs are going nuts out back.
I'm jealous. My latest tadpole count doesn't look good.
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:49:40pm |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
East or west of the Cascades? It's been above normal rain for eastern WA here in the Wenatchee area.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:49:46pm |
re: #272 Dark_Falcon
It finally warmed up here in Chicagoland today. And my mother came home from the hospital today. All in all, a good day.
Good to hear this, DF!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 8:49:51pm |
re: #272 Dark_Falcon
It finally warmed up here in Chicagoland today. And my mother came home from the hospital today. All in all, a good day.
Hooray!
Hope your Mom continues to improve!
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 8:50:13pm |
re: #237 marjoriemoon
Opinions and speech are one thing. Discriminating against allowing someone you don't particularly like, Jews, Asians, Blacks to shop at your store is entirely another. One is talk, the other is action. I don't know what that has to do with property rights.
So you believe the right to free speech is so fundamental that people should not be deprived of it even when they exercise said right to disseminate views that you consider repugnant, like racist views.
Rand Paul believes pretty much the same thing for property rights. You have the right to, say, not lend your car to anyone you want for whatever reason you want. So you can decide not to lend you car to black people, or people who like the color green, or whatever. Similarly, according to Rand Paul, you should be able to prevent anyone you want from conducting business with you.
Now, I vehemently disagree with the later point of view. But it is very different from being racist a la Pat Buchanan.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:50:27pm |
re: #286 negativ
I'm trying to think if there have ever been any other political figures who came out of a fringe populist movement that blamed immigrants for their every ill, who courted the support of industrialists, hard-core racists, and paranoid conspiracy kooks who saw communist infiltrators in every nook and cranny.
Hmm.
Oh I know, his father Ron Paul!
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:51:00pm |
re: #271 JasonA
I don't think the answer to safer offshore drilling is to put it onshore...
Gulf Oil Spill: Louisiana Wetlands Blanketed With BP Crude (VIDEO)
OK..., now that we've hit Louisiana, maybe NOW this is Obama's Katrina //:)
Seriously, this is a slow motion disaster. I'm worried about reports of a sea of oil at lower depths.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:51:26pm |
Not one shred of sympathy in my heart.
John Edwards Plea Deal To Avoid Jail Time In The Works, National Enquirer Reports
Edwards is "terrified" of going to jail, according to the Enquirer source, and "he's willing to cop to a misdemeanor charge" to avoid jail time, but "is asking to keep his law license."
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:51:29pm |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
Oregon. This spring has been complete shit; rain, cold, frost, hail. It's really fucked up and starting to piss me off.
I'm curious as to what it is you have on your feet.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 8:51:48pm |
re: #290 Killgore Trout
I'm jealous. My latest tadpole count doesn't look good.
Uh, oh. Did they wash away?
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 8:52:01pm |
re: #290 Killgore Trout
I'm jealous. My latest tadpole count doesn't look good.
Too many newts?
Frogs and tadpoles have loads of predator. Here are a few of their predators; fish spiders, fish (in general), newts, pond snails, dragonflies, birds (in general), crayfish, snakes, herons. The types of predators depend on where you live. [Link: www.seasonofspring.com...]
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freetoken Wed, May 19, 2010 8:52:01pm |
re: #290 Killgore Trout
Don't like the cold? Well then, perhaps you should root for the Republican witness in tomorrow's hearing:
Will Happer !
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SpaceJesus Wed, May 19, 2010 8:52:55pm |
the way she says "no" at 16:49 is just classic
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:53:23pm |
re: #278 freetoken
GLOBAL COOLING!!
BUY SWEATERS!!
Wonder if such a thing will happen with the amount of expulsions coming from the Icelandic volcanoes. They tend to be active in ~200 year cycles and tend to coincide with short, sharp cooling events.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 8:53:51pm |
re: #296 BryanS
OK..., now that we've hit Louisiana, maybe NOW this is Obama's Katrina //:)
Seriously, this is a slow motion disaster. I'm worried about reports of a sea of oil at lower depths.
I'm worried we'll only be able to get $75 million out of BP when in truth they owe us.... five Frapillion dollars....
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 8:54:30pm |
re: #276 Renaissance_Man
If you were in South Korea and good at Starcraft, it would get you unlimited Korean tail.
QFT. At least a couple of years ago.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 8:55:03pm |
re: #298 JasonA
Not one shred of sympathy in my heart.
John Edwards Plea Deal To Avoid Jail Time In The Works, National Enquirer Reports
They should not accept that condition. Edwards should not be allowed to practice law again. He is a dishonest lying piece of garbage, and he is a disgrace to any courtroom he enters.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 8:56:34pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 19, 2010 8:56:45pm |
Pro-Saudi columnist accuses Sudan of harboring units from Iran Revolutionary Guard
May 19, 2010 (WASHINGTON) – A Saudi columnist today lashed out at the Sudanese government accusing it of hosting members of the Iran Revolutionary Guard along with secret weapon manufacturing factories.
This week Sudanese authorities arrested Islamist opposition leader Hassan Al-Turabi and closed down his party’s newspaper after publishing a report alleging that Iran had constructed a weapon factory in the country aiming at supplying Islamic insurgents in Somalia and Yemeni Shiite rebels as well as Islamist Palestinian movement Hamas.
The Sudanese ministry of information said the publication of this report comes as the international community considers new sanctions against Iran over the nuclear file and tries to create a link between Sudan and Iran.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:56:58pm |
re: #296 BryanS
OK..., now that we've hit Louisiana, maybe NOW this is Obama's Katrina //:)
Seriously, this is a slow motion disaster. I'm worried about reports of a sea of oil at lower depths.
OH, ugh.
slideshow here of what they're finding on La. coast.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 8:57:32pm |
re: #282 lostlakehiker
The thing about discrimination on the basis of race is that as things now stand, there is widespread racial discrimination in university admissions and in hiring and promotion. It's just that the shoe is on the other foot.
The Ricci case made a dent in this, but only a dent, and other SC cases have upheld not merely the right of Universities to discriminate in admissions, but the duty.
Discrimination has gone beyond discriminating in favor of minorities who tend not to meet merit-based admissions standards, to discriminating against the Asian minority, which tends to meet them with more room to spare than is politically comfortable for the California authorities.
The concern about the harm done to Asians is well founded. Also, men are now a minority of all college grads, and recently now a minority of Masters degrees--not just a percent or two, but a good 10% difference. I'd like to see admissions policies in post secondary schooling for instance to be more based on economic means than minority status.
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pingjockey Wed, May 19, 2010 8:57:41pm |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
My Bro in law and my oldest kid live in Vancouver. The wife likes that rainy, damp shit. She's from Wales.
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austin_blue Wed, May 19, 2010 8:57:56pm |
re: #204 reine.de.tout
Yo, Austin_Blue - could you make sense of what I sent you via e-mail?
Stand by, going to Google mail...
I've got it.
Thank you so much My Queen. Pulls forelock.
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abolitionist Wed, May 19, 2010 8:58:04pm |
re: #221 BryanS
You just have to go the extra mile to take his position. In this case, the extra mile Rand Paul goes to insist property rights trump the 14th amendment means something.
What changed in the 60's wasn't so much about property rights, but a sea change in public opinion (and law) about the meaning of "open to the public" --for businesses (Woolworth's lunch counter), public facilities (buses, pools, parks, etc) and other institutions (schools, universities, etc).
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 8:58:27pm |
re: #310 reine.de.tout
OH, ugh.
slideshow here of what they're finding on La. coast.
And here is a report of response activities going on today.
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 8:58:48pm |
Speaking of summer, and Katrina...
next week is Hurricane Preparedness Week, so take a look if you're in the zone.
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
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Kefirah Wed, May 19, 2010 8:59:18pm |
i need some astringent, witch hazel, something - i feel like i just got slimed by some sort of greasy sponge based SOLELY on his voice.
not that the hair helps.
i'd bring up substantive issues, but i actually can't get past ad hominem attacks on how he looks.
ew.
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 8:59:42pm |
re: #294 Nimed
So you believe the right to free speech is so fundamental that people should not be deprived of it even when they exercise said right to disseminate views that you consider repugnant, like racist views.
Rand Paul believes pretty much the same thing for property rights. You have the right to, say, not lend your car to anyone you want for whatever reason you want. So you can decide not to lend you car to black people, or people who like the color green, or whatever. Similarly, according to Rand Paul, you should be able to prevent anyone you want from conducting business with you.
Now, I vehemently disagree with the later point of view. But it is very different from being racist a la Pat Buchanan.
But it is not similarly. One is business and the other is personal. I can't tell another person who to like or keep company with. Nor can the government. But if I'm selling something, then I have to be fair to all.
The bottom line is anyone who would question that part of the civil rights act, draws a huge red flag. The first question is, what is wrong with it?
If you watch the video Abolitionist put up, and I did
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
one of the "Greensboro four" said that when the lunchcounter was finally desegrated, nobody cared. It was a big nothing, so why all the fuss? People dying, getting hurt... for what? Would Paul want to repeal this part of the law to revisit that whole ugly part of our history? What is his motivation, complete and utter withdrawal of government from our lives or just the part they don't like.
Oh and by the way, cuz I know you're curious, Rand Paul is 100% PRO LIFE. [Link: www.randpaul2010.com...]
Pick and chose those government nuisance laws, eh?
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 9:00:18pm |
re: #316 jaunte
Speaking of summer, and Katrina...
next week is Hurricane Preparedness Week, so take a look if you're in the zone.
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
We stay prepared.
We have MRE's left over from Gustav, that we got by accident when daughter accidentally got into the supply line at WalMart instead of going into the parking lot.
One MRE will feed two people for an entire day (going by the calorie content of each package).
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:00:49pm |
re: #317 Kefirah
i need some astringent, witch hazel, something - i feel like i just got slimed by some sort of greasy sponge based SOLELY on his voice.
not that the hair helps.
i'd bring up substantive issues, but i actually can't get past ad hominem attacks on how he looks.
ew.
If that were the criteria for congress, the halls would be mostly empty!
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 9:01:01pm |
re: #319 marjoriemoon
But it is not similarly. One is business and the other is personal. I can't tell another person who to like or keep company with. Nor can the government. But if I'm selling something, then I have to be fair to all.
The bottom line is anyone who would question that part of the civil rights act, draws a huge red flag. The first question is, what is wrong with it?
If you watch the video Abolitionist put up, and I did
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
one of the "Greensboro four" said that when the lunchcounter was finally desegrated, nobody cared. It was a big nothing, so why all the fuss? People dying, getting hurt... for what? Would Paul want to repeal this part of the law to revisit that whole ugly part of our history? What is his motivation, complete and utter withdrawal of government from our lives or just the part they don't like.
Oh and by the way, cuz I know you're curious, Rand Paul is 100% PRO LIFE. [Link: www.randpaul2010.com...]
Pick and chose those government nuisance laws, eh?
We've managed to successfully shrink the government to the point that it can fit inside this woman's (cue slide whistle effect)
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 9:01:27pm |
re: #320 reine.de.tout
I do hope that you don't have to eat them.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 9:01:55pm |
re: #318 pingjockey
G'nite folks.
good night.
I've been waiting for Killgore to tell me what he's wearing on his feet, seeing as how he still has to wear a wool cap on his head.
But it looks like I'm not gonna get an answer. So it's about time for "good night" from me, too.
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 9:02:30pm |
re: #296 BryanS
OK..., now that we've hit Louisiana, maybe NOW this is Obama's Katrina //:)
Seriously, this is a slow motion disaster. I'm worried about reports of a sea of oil at lower depths.
What appears to be happening is the surfactant is dispersing the oil into smaller bits, as it does, also making it not rise to the surface in globs which are easier to track and skim, but lousy if they coat the estuary.
The pro side claims that it will degrade faster and do less damage if it is dispersed. The con side says this is all unproven and the added risks unknown and potentialy worse.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 9:02:49pm |
re: #317 Kefirah
i need some astringent, witch hazel, something - i feel like i just got slimed by some sort of greasy sponge based SOLELY on his voice.
not that the hair helps.
i'd bring up substantive issues, but i actually can't get past ad hominem attacks on how he looks.
ew.
I understand how you feel. Glad to see you. How are you doing?
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 9:02:50pm |
re: #305 jamesfirecat
I'm worried we'll only be able to get $75 million out of BP when in truth they owe us... five Frapillion dollars...
Capped liabilities are crap. After this, if need be, we should own BP. Of course BP is right that there will be frivolous lawsuits, I think the states affected and perhaps the fed should sue for the full economic damage. But where did this $75mil figure that's been floating around come from? Is there some contractual agreement? If there's a an enforceable contract, then I guess that if they don't pay we should ensure BP never is allowed new business opportunities in the US again--ever.
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 9:02:56pm |
re: #294 Nimed
Now, I vehemently disagree with the later point of view. But it is very different from being racist a la Pat Buchanan.
That is true :)
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 9:02:58pm |
re: #300 Floral Giraffe
Uh, oh. Did they wash away?
Not sure. It might be the cold and they've gone into hiding. I put in 20 tadpoles yesterday. About 15 were visible and happily swimming arounf this morning. Cold fucking weather and torrential downpours this afternoon. Now I can only see 2-3 tadpoles. They might be hiding, maybe washed into the pond, maybe dead. Not sure.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 9:03:07pm |
re: #325 jaunte
There are Vietnam era MRE's for sale on Ebay.
I don't KNOW that they are safe to eat.
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 9:03:10pm |
re: #324 reine.de.tout
good night.
I've been waiting for Killgore to tell me what he's wearing on his feet, seeing as how he still has to wear a wool cap on his head.But it looks like I'm not gonna get an answer. So it's about time for "good night" from me, too.
May the royal head rest easy this night.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:03:51pm |
re: #331 Floral Giraffe
There are Vietnam era MRE's for sale on Ebay.
I don't KNOW that they are safe to eat.
from Blumenthals private supply !?!?
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 19, 2010 9:04:17pm |
re: #331 Floral Giraffe
There are Vietnam era MRE's for sale on Ebay.
I don't KNOW that they are safe to eat.
They are good for staving off hunger though. As long as you have them you have them you'll be amazed at what else you find looks attractive enough to eat!
(Joke stolen about Dwarven bread)
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, May 19, 2010 9:04:30pm |
re: #305 jamesfirecat
I'm worried we'll only be able to get $75 million out of BP when in truth they owe us... five Frapillion dollars...
No worries there, since as of this morning B.P. has already paid or agreed to pay just over 600 million dollars so far. The idiot press that keep harping on about the $75 million cap are just flat out not paying any attention to what is actually happening, not like that that is anything new either...
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What, me worry? Wed, May 19, 2010 9:04:35pm |
I have to go to bed... I'll be a wreck in the morning. Nimed, let's do this more another time :) I always like your posts.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 19, 2010 9:04:42pm |
re: #324 reine.de.tout
good night.
I've been waiting for Killgore to tell me what he's wearing on his feet, seeing as how he still has to wear a wool cap on his head.But it looks like I'm not gonna get an answer. So it's about time for "good night" from me, too.
Wool socks on the feet. G'nite
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 9:05:07pm |
re: #324 reine.de.tout
I am convinced he is wearing a version of these.
I could be wrong, though...
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 9:05:16pm |
re: #314 abolitionist
What changed in the 60's wasn't so much about property rights, but a sea change in public opinion (and law) about the meaning of "open to the public" --for businesses (Woolworth's lunch counter), public facilities (buses, pools, parks, etc) and other institutions (schools, universities, etc).
Good point. Don't see how we justify going back.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 9:05:21pm |
re: #320 reine.de.tout
We stay prepared.
We have MRE's left over from Gustav, that we got by accident when daughter accidentally got into the supply line at WalMart instead of going into the parking lot.One MRE will feed two people for an entire day (going by the calorie content of each package).
They're designed for soldiers in combat so they have very high calorie content.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 19, 2010 9:05:24pm |
re: #323 Floral Giraffe
I do hope that you don't have to eat them.
Me too!
re: #325 jaunte
How long can you store them?
These were packed 8/07, and expire 8/11 - 4 years, it looks like.
Here's what I don't understand. I know they dropped these things to people in Afghanistan, and have dropped them to folks in other places.
Well, you would not believe the detailed and complicated and confusing instructions that come with these things, so that you use the heating feature correctly, etc.
If I had trouble figuring this out and I read, write and speak English, how the heck are people in other countries who do not read, write and speak English supposed to figure them out?
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 9:05:41pm |
re: #331 Floral Giraffe
There are Vietnam era MRE's for sale on Ebay.
I don't KNOW that they are safe to eat.
Probably only for collectors. I once saw a piece of hardtack supposedly from the 1700's on display in Caernarvon Castle.
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 9:06:08pm |
re: #336 marjoriemoon
I have to go to bed... I'll be a wreck in the morning. Nimed, let's do this more another time :) I always like your posts.
:) Good night. I have enjoyed the discussion, though it sure feels weird to "defend" Rand Paul.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 9:06:23pm |
re: #319 marjoriemoon
But it is not similarly. One is business and the other is personal. I can't tell another person who to like or keep company with. Nor can the government. But if I'm selling something, then I have to be fair to all.
The bottom line is anyone who would question that part of the civil rights act, draws a huge red flag. The first question is, what is wrong with it?
If you watch the video Abolitionist put up, and I did
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
one of the "Greensboro four" said that when the lunchcounter was finally desegrated, nobody cared. It was a big nothing, so why all the fuss? People dying, getting hurt... for what? Would Paul want to repeal this part of the law to revisit that whole ugly part of our history? What is his motivation, complete and utter withdrawal of government from our lives or just the part they don't like.
Oh and by the way, cuz I know you're curious, Rand Paul is 100% PRO LIFE. [Link: www.randpaul2010.com...]
Pick and chose those government nuisance laws, eh?
Pick and choose at will. Or in Rand Paul's case he think people should have a right to judicial redress:
I would strongly support legislation restricting federal courts from hearing cases like Roe v. Wade. Such legislation would only require a majority vote, making it more likely to pass than a pro-life constitutional amendment.
Yes, let's have congress limit the 14th Amendment according to Mr. Paul.
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Racer X Wed, May 19, 2010 9:06:42pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:06:50pm |
re: #343 Nimed
:) Good night. I have enjoyed the discussion, though it sure feels weird to "defend" Rand Paul.
Nah, you weren't defending him just because you weren't willing to go to the next level.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 9:06:53pm |
re: #334 jamesfirecat
They are good for staving off hunger though. As long as you have them you have them you'll be amazed at what else you find looks attractive enough to eat!
(Joke stolen about Dwarven bread)
Try Elven Lembas instead. It doesn't taste very good but it stays fresh and edible.
/LotR joke
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:07:12pm |
re: #341 reine.de.tout
If I had trouble figuring this out and I read, write and speak English, how the heck are people in other countries who do not read, write and speak English supposed to figure them out?
Now you know why they don't like us!!
//
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palomino Wed, May 19, 2010 9:07:24pm |
re: #260 jamesfirecat
Its not just the blacks, its the whites who don't want to vote for someone like this ...
Of course, but as far as motivating non-voters to get to the polls, his answers would have been political suicide in a state like VA, TN or AR, all three of which have over twice as many black voters.
In KY, he may be able to skate by. Then again, he may say stupid shit like this every few weeks until election day, in which case I'd give his opponent a much better chance than you'd expect of a Dem in KY.
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avanti Wed, May 19, 2010 9:07:40pm |
re: #342 jaunte
Probably only for collectors. I once saw a piece of hardtack supposedly from the 1700's on display in Caernarvon Castle.
I've eaten C rations that were over 20 years old, even the pound cake was decent.
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lostlakehiker Wed, May 19, 2010 9:07:50pm |
re: #23 Gus 802
Repost
Anti-Semites and racists rejoice over Rand Paul win.
Warning: hate speech follows.
From David Duke's site.
Well, David Duke is blowing smoke like always. Rand Paul is going to get crushed in the general election. Duke got crushed repeatedly. The American people want none of what he's peddling.
Look at Louisiana. On the one hand, the governor is a conservative Christian. On the other hand, he's not fair of skin. Louisiana Christians don't seem to mind. Racism, as in hatred of other races, is effectively extinct in the U.S. Politically it has no traction, socially it is universally reviled, and practically, interracial dating and marriage prove that people not only don't openly speak such things, they don't privately buy into them either.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 9:07:56pm |
re: #316 jaunte
Speaking of summer, and Katrina...
next week is Hurricane Preparedness Week, so take a look if you're in the zone.
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
Actually--the biggest disaster would be a hurricane that surges all that oil onshore.
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 9:08:04pm |
re: #341 reine.de.tout
If I had trouble figuring this out and I read, write and speak English, how the heck are people in other countries who do not read, write and speak English supposed to figure them out?
They might appreciate the handy fire-kindling material.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 9:09:18pm |
re: #321 sattv4u2
If that were the criteria for congress, the halls would be mostly empty!
What's the saying--politics is an acting career for ugly people?
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Achilles Tang Wed, May 19, 2010 9:09:32pm |
re: #131 marjoriemoon
Ooo! Care to share with the group :)
Everyday terminology has its pitfalls when it comes to sharing philosophies. I'm out of clever answers tonight and hitting the sack.
Cheers.
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Lidane Wed, May 19, 2010 9:09:52pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
In short, Rand Paul believes that private business owners have a right to discriminate based on race. Which means if Rand Paul were to expand on the "lunch counter" question, Rand Paul believes that a private diner or restaurant can put up a sign that reads, "whites only."
I hope that they nail that to him and keep him talking about it. That kind of idiocy needs to be exposed and repudiated early and often. Every day from now until the election, if possible.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 9:10:30pm |
re: #350 avanti
I've eaten C rations that were over 20 years old, even the pound cake was decent.
Those are known for their longevity, and the C-ration pound cake was very well regarded.
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 9:11:36pm |
re: #326 Bagua
What appears to be happening is the surfactant is dispersing the oil into smaller bits, as it does, also making it not rise to the surface in globs which are easier to track and skim, but lousy if they coat the estuary.
The pro side claims that it will degrade faster and do less damage if it is dispersed. The con side says this is all unproven and the added risks unknown and potentialy worse.
I've heard some explanations on how the properties of the oil are different under higher pressure and lower temperatures at the ocean's bottom. I could see how the specific gravity would be different under such conditions, allowing a pool of untreated oil to still be at some layer much lower than the water surface. Perhaps that's a reason BP wants to treat below the surface.
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 9:11:46pm |
re: #335 ausador
No worries there, since as of this morning B.P. has already paid or agreed to pay just over 600 million dollars so far. The idiot press that keep harping on about the $75 million cap are just flat out not paying any attention to what is actually happening, not like that that is anything new either...
Isn't the $600 million they've spent so far separate from the $75 million statutory liability cap? They still have to foot the bill for clean-up, response, drilling the two relief wells, pretending to stop the leak, etc. I'm unclear on this.
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Racer X Wed, May 19, 2010 9:11:59pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 9:12:34pm |
re: #360 Racer X
Pretty markings on that kitty.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:12:40pm |
re: #360 Racer X
I dunno, but he's looking at me like I just stole his cheeseburger.
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austin_blue Wed, May 19, 2010 9:13:52pm |
re: #204 reine.de.tout
Yo, Austin_Blue - could you make sense of what I sent you via e-mail?
Yes, sort of. I still don't know if it's a backside blowout or not (I suspect it is.). Thanks for the info, and I am so sorry if your Roi had any friends on the rig that didn't make it.
My old company had 4 people who died on Piper Alpha, two of whom I knew really well. It's a hard business.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:15:04pm |
My gut-check with Paul will be how he handles the debt commission. If he's serious, he'll compromise to get real change, even if it means some tax hikes. If he's unserious, he'll keep posturing. But give him a chance.
Oh go to hell, Sully. Give him a chance? Bite my shiny metal ass.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 9:15:19pm |
re: #356 Lidane
I hope that they nail that to him and keep him talking about it. That kind of idiocy needs to be exposed and repudiated early and often. Every day from now until the election, if possible.
If I'm not mistaken he's also repeated this more than twice. He also gave his victory speech from a private country club that was once segregated.
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austin_blue Wed, May 19, 2010 9:15:26pm |
And good night dear Lizards.
Rand Paul needs your money and support!
///
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Racer X Wed, May 19, 2010 9:16:42pm |
re: #362 JasonA
I dunno, but he's looking at me like I just stole his cheeseburger.
She. Calicos are always a she. Male Calicos are worth big bucks.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 9:16:53pm |
David Frum chimes in:
David Frum: Rand Paul's victory is no reason to celebrate
Posted: May 19, 2010, 9:40 AM
Rand Paul’s victory in the Kentucky Republican primary is obviously a depressing event for those who support strong national defense and rational conservative politics. In another year, such a victory would be a prelude to a Republican defeat in the general election. This year however the tide is running so strongly with the GOP that … well … that Rand Paul may benefit from the political rule so well described by Brooklyn ward heeler Hymie Shorenstein back in 1940:
Did you ever go down to the wharf to see the Staten Island Ferry come in? You ever watch it, and look down in the water at all those chewing-gum wrappers, and the banana peels and the garbage? When the ferryboat comes into the wharf, automatically it pulls all the garbage in too.
Paul will not have an easy ride. Paul offers a target-rich environment for negative advertising. On the other hand, Paul does lead his (likely) Democratic opponent, Jack Conway. It could be his year.
CONTINUES
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, May 19, 2010 9:17:01pm |
re: #359 Bagua
Isn't the $600 million they've spent so far separate from the $75 million statutory liability cap? They still have to foot the bill for clean-up, response, drilling the two relief wells, pretending to stop the leak, etc. I'm unclear on this.
Well put it this way, they have already given Florida $24 million initially for response efforts and today agreed to give them another $60 million for further response and to help offset lost wages. Just Florida, $84 million already and we don't even have any of their oil here yet.
You figure it out...
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:17:24pm |
re: #367 Racer X
She. Calicos are always a she. Male Calicos are worth big bucks.
I haven't that much knowledge of pu cats. Thank you.
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palomino Wed, May 19, 2010 9:18:09pm |
re: #265 Dark_Falcon
It's not so much dumb as dogmatic. Like his father, Rand Paul does like to spin his views. He generally comes right out and says what he is thinking. I have a problem with his views, and so will many people.
Ron Paul never had trouble getting re-elected to the House because of the district he's in: very conservative with that TX libertarian streak. But even as a kid growing up in Houston in a conservative Republican family, we thought he was a kook.
When he was just one lone eccentric member of the House back in the 70s and 80s, he seemed relatively harmless. Now, not so much.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:18:18pm |
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 9:19:31pm |
re: #351 lostlakehiker
Well, David Duke is blowing smoke like always. Rand Paul is going to get crushed in the general election. Duke got crushed repeatedly. The American people want none of what he's peddling.
Look at Louisiana. On the one hand, the governor is a conservative Christian. On the other hand, he's not fair of skin. Louisiana Christians don't seem to mind. Racism, as in hatred of other races, is effectively extinct in the U.S. Politically it has no traction, socially it is universally reviled, and practically, interracial dating and marriage prove that people not only don't openly speak such things, they don't privately buy into them either.
True, true, and true--the parts I bolded. But I can assure you racism is still around. I have seen people --even in a very liberal community such as Madison--be very explicit about their hatred for people of different races than themselves. In the res halls, for instance, the most really horrible roommate conflicts I've seen were around race.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:19:47pm |
re: #369 ausador
Well put it this way, they have already given Florida $24 million initially for response efforts and today agreed to give them another $60 million for further response and to help offset lost wages. Just Florida, $84 million already and we don't even have any of their oil here yet.
You figure it out...
But it's a much better 'story" that Big Bidness is only responsible/ will pay for a "capped" figure
sshhhhh!!
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 9:20:27pm |
re: #346 JasonA
Nah, you weren't defending him just because you weren't willing to go to the next level.
I was about to when marjorie took off.
/
More seriously - in general, the libertarian critique of government power is (and probably always has been) useful to, hm, let's call it 'non naive' liberalism.
I wish I could say the same of traditional conservatism. Yeah, culture is important and all that. But when it's time to translate this into policies, conservatism usually falls flat.
Ever noticed how so many intellectual heavy-weights of the conservative movement weren't actually conservatives?
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:20:46pm |
re: #374 sattv4u2
This ain't a great time to be going all "eebil korporations!"
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:21:45pm |
re: #376 JasonA
This ain't a great time to be going all "eebil korporations!"
No ,, but it IS a great time to go all factual!
Please see Ausadors posts above!
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Racer X Wed, May 19, 2010 9:22:26pm |
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 9:22:36pm |
re: #369 ausador
You figure it out...
That's what I'm trying to do. That they voluntarily pay for clean-up, PR and capping operations may be entirely separate from a statutory liability cap. It may apply more to court judgments, fines and compensation claims.
Add to this the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund which is capped at $1 billion, and soon we are talking real money.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:22:41pm |
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Racer X Wed, May 19, 2010 9:23:30pm |
The Top 10 Marinades Every Man Must Know
The month of May is officially National Barbecue Month. That means it’s time to get your grill on. The key to good grilling is simple: good meat and bathing that meat in a delicious marinade.
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Racer X Wed, May 19, 2010 9:23:53pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:24:15pm |
re: #381 Racer X
The Top 10 Marinades Every Man Must Know
The month of May is officially National Barbecue Month. That means it’s time to get your grill on. The key to good grilling is simple: good meat and bathing that meat in a delicious marinade.
"good meat" should stand on it's own.
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lostlakehiker Wed, May 19, 2010 9:25:27pm |
re: #250 BryanS
Judges get to figure these things out for a reason, but I could imagine the possibility that speech was used prevent people from getting equal protection of the law. Racists still get to spout racist views though unless it hits the threshold of denying equal protection.
How is it even possible for such speech to deny anyone equal protection of the law? Not talking inciting to riot, just the abstract voicing of some batty opinion? re: #373 BryanS
True, true, and true--the parts I bolded. But I can assure you racism is still around. I have seen people --even in a very liberal community such as Madison--be very explicit about their hatred for people of different races than themselves. In the res halls, for instance, the most really horrible roommate conflicts I've seen were around race.
Sigh. I wonder if it may actually be worse at the oh-so-liberal schools? Victimology in the classroom breeds resentment both ways.
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Racer X Wed, May 19, 2010 9:26:00pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:26:05pm |
re: #377 sattv4u2
I saw it, but I think Ausador's grasp on the facts may be a little loose.
How Much Will BP Have to Pay for Oil Spill?
A law passed in response to the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska makes BP responsible for clean-up costs. But the law sets a $75 million limit on other kinds of damages.
The 75 million figure has nothing at all to do with cleaning up the oil as far as I can tell from the information I have.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 9:26:19pm |
Here's the Rand Paul interview video clip regarding discrimination with the Louisville Courier-Journal.
INTERVIEWER: Would you have voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964?PAUL: I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that.
INTERVIEWER: But?
PAUL: You had to ask me the “but.” I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners—I abhor racism. I think it’s a bad business decision to exclude anybody from your restaurant—but, at the same time, I do believe in private ownership. But I absolutely think there should be no discrimination in anything that gets any public funding, and that’s most of what I think the Civil Rights Act was about in my mind.
Notice he only refers to the appeal of the Civil Right Act with regards to public ownership. Again, he clearly states that he feels that it is the right for establishments under private ownership to discriminate based on race.
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Bagua Wed, May 19, 2010 9:30:21pm |
Anybody got some marshmallows?
Flaring operations aboard the drillship Discover Enterprise, burning off gas recovered from the insertion tube in the damaged pipe.
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Racer X Wed, May 19, 2010 9:30:50pm |
re: #381 Racer X
The Top 10 Marinades Every Man Must Know
The month of May is officially National Barbecue Month. That means it’s time to get your grill on. The key to good grilling is simple: good meat and bathing that meat in a delicious marinade.
I tried the Dr. Pepper marinade last year on a pork roast on the grill. Excellent!
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:31:04pm |
re: #386 JasonA
Eh, that came out a little meaner than I meant it to. Sorry, Aus. The bottom line is that this is the time to hold BP's feet to the fire. Sorry, but I don't trust them to just do the right thing, I think the cap needs to be raised. Didn't Exxon manage to walk off paying a pittance in damages not too long ago for the Valdez?
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Silvergirl Wed, May 19, 2010 9:31:32pm |
Fans of Lost around tonight?
Has this death scene montage been posted yet?
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BryanS Wed, May 19, 2010 9:32:53pm |
re: #384 lostlakehiker
How is it even possible for such speech to deny anyone equal protection of the law? Not talking inciting to riot, just the abstract voicing of some batty opinion?
Deceiving someone such that you convince another individual does not have certain legal rights would I think meet the requirement. Say someone makes a concerted effort to distribute incorrect polling information in an effort to keep certain demographics from voting--that would be challenged under laws based on the 14th amendment .
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palomino Wed, May 19, 2010 9:33:14pm |
re: #351 lostlakehiker
Well, David Duke is blowing smoke like always. Rand Paul is going to get crushed in the general election. Duke got crushed repeatedly. The American people want none of what he's peddling.
Look at Louisiana. On the one hand, the governor is a conservative Christian. On the other hand, he's not fair of skin. Louisiana Christians don't seem to mind. Racism, as in hatred of other races, is effectively extinct in the U.S. Politically it has no traction, socially it is universally reviled, and practically, interracial dating and marriage prove that people not only don't openly speak such things, they don't privately buy into them either.
I wish you were right, but when Duke ran in LA for Governor and then Senator, he got about 40% of the vote both times. He even bragged about winning the white vote (he got 55% of it) in the 1991 Gov's election.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, May 19, 2010 9:33:27pm |
re: #385 Racer X
Without the blue pill?
Add the "blue pill" on a regular basis and you will have "Deaf meat" eventually, at least according to one study published yesterday.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 9:35:02pm |
re: #368 Gus 802
David Frum chimes in:
David Frum: Rand Paul's victory is no reason to celebrate
Posted: May 19, 2010, 9:40 AM
Well, at least Frum is able to see this matter clearly.
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Lidane Wed, May 19, 2010 9:36:02pm |
re: #383 sattv4u2
"good meat" should stand on it's own.
In general, I'd agree. I prefer my steaks medium rare and only cook them with a little bit of salt and pepper. Come anywhere near my plate with A1 or some other kind of sauce or marinade and you're going to get hurt.
However, there's something to be said for a good Tandoori chicken or even a meatloaf made with a good Dr. Pepper glaze. Some things are just too good to pass up. ;)
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 19, 2010 9:36:07pm |
Notice he only refers to the appeal of the Civil Right Act with regards to public ownership. Again, he clearly states that he feels that it is the right for establishments under private ownership to discriminate based on race.
Right, a stupid, malignant and counterproductive right that would only be exceeded in its societal evil by denying private business owners the opportunity to exercise it complete legal impunity.
He knows which side his bread is buttered on ... it's the one with all the mold, but he has the stomach for that.
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 9:36:21pm |
U.S. Coast Guard Threatens CBS Reporters With Arrest For Filming BP Oil Spill
The USCG says this is BP rules.
All I can say is BP sucks.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, May 19, 2010 9:37:47pm |
re: #386 JasonA
I saw it, but I think Ausador's grasp on the facts may be a little loose.
How Much Will BP Have to Pay for Oil Spill?
The 75 million figure has nothing at all to do with cleaning up the oil as far as I can tell from the information I have.
They have already agreed to pay far more than that just in compensation for lost wages, at least to the people who have agreed to settle. Your right though, all those lining up at all the new lawyers offices in Louisiana just might find out that they are S.O.L. in court.
/Good.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:38:20pm |
re: #399 Gus 802
U.S. Coast Guard Threatens CBS Reporters With Arrest For Filming BP Oil Spill
[Video]The USCG says this is BP rules.
All I can say is BP sucks.
So I guess they own the beach now? Is that like licking all the slices of pizza in the box?
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webevintage Wed, May 19, 2010 9:39:32pm |
So according to Rand my womb is not private property?
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 9:39:57pm |
re: #401 JasonA
So I guess they own the beach now? Is that like licking all the slices of pizza in the box?
Pretty strange isn't it? I would think the only one that would have authority there would be the USCG. But they turned around and said that was BP rules. So BP has maritime jurisdiction on a public shoreline outside of their operational limits? I doubt it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 19, 2010 9:40:01pm |
re: #397 Lidane
In general, I'd agree. I prefer my steaks medium rare and only cook them with a little bit of salt and pepper. Come anywhere near my plate with A1 or some other kind of sauce or marinade and you're going to get hurt.
However, there's something to be said for a good Tandoori chicken or even a meatloaf made with a good Dr. Pepper glaze. Some things are just too good to pass up. ;)
A1 is righteous on burgers!
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theheat Wed, May 19, 2010 9:40:57pm |
re: #388 Gus 802
It cracks me up, typical unevolved White's (possessive) instead of plural (Whites) grasp of the English language, as it advocates discriminating against lesser people - not as 'merican - in their hateful little eyes. Yeah, precisely the people to dictate all that's right in the world. I have a mental image of some double-wattled cornfed whitey trying their best to make the site artistic with their treatment of the Mexican and Spanish part.
This is how their brains work. Dumber than fuck and sure they're right, to the extent they even think their illiterate hate signs should be artsy.
When these whackjobs talk about taking back their government, this is where that crazy shit of theirs ends up - be it whites only, Christians only, or whatever. No thank you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 19, 2010 9:41:28pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:41:32pm |
re: #400 ausador
They have already agreed to pay far more than that just in compensation for lost wages, at least to the people who have agreed to settle. Your right though, all those lining up at all the new lawyers offices in Louisiana just might find out that they are S.O.L. in court.
/Good.
20 fucking years later. I'm sorry, I don't care about what they agree to pay. Let me know when the money is in the victims' hands.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 9:41:51pm |
re: #391 JasonA
Eh, that came out a little meaner than I meant it to. Sorry, Aus. The bottom line is that this is the time to hold BP's feet to the fire. Sorry, but I don't trust them to just do the right thing, I think the cap needs to be raised. Didn't Exxon manage to walk off paying a pittance in damages not too long ago for the Valdez?
Yes, the supreme ct. reduced the damages. After many of the fishermen had died - it was over 20 yrs.
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jaunte Wed, May 19, 2010 9:42:21pm |
re: #383 sattv4u2
"good meat" should stand on it's own.
If that statement lasts for more than four hours without a joke being made about it, I'm calling a doctor.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:42:52pm |
re: #403 Gus 802
Pretty strange isn't it? I would think the only one that would have authority there would be the USCG. But they turned around and said that was BP rules. So BP has maritime jurisdiction on a public shoreline outside of their operational limits? I doubt it.
I'd take a look at those officers' bank accounts...
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 19, 2010 9:43:02pm |
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palomino Wed, May 19, 2010 9:43:27pm |
re: #402 webevintage
So according to Rand my womb is not private property?
Being a pro-choice Republican is a non-starter, except in the northeast and on the west coast. Of course the flip side of this is true for Dems.
Paul wouldn't have gotten anywhere with the GOP base in KY if he considered a woman's womb to be her property.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, May 19, 2010 9:44:03pm |
re: #402 webevintage
So according to Rand my womb is not private property?
Of course not, it belongs to God, then the state, then you Husband, then you, in that order. You can still have an abortion if it is absolutely necessary to save your life, you just have to get your church, the Feds, your state, and your hubby to sign off on it first, it should only take about nine and a half months to complete all the required paperwork.
/See, no problem, right?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 19, 2010 9:47:23pm |
re: #412 palomino
Being a pro-choice Republican is a non-starter, except in the northeast and on the west coast. Of course the flip side of this is true for Dems.
Paul wouldn't have gotten anywhere with the GOP base in KY if he considered a woman's womb to be her property.
It's sometimes possible to be a pro-choice Republican in Illinois, but only in Cook Country and the Collar Counties. Downstate, it would indeed be impossible.
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 9:47:59pm |
re: #402 webevintage
So according to Rand my womb is not private property?
According to Rand, a zygote is a full-fledged individual, just like you and me. Isn't it interesting how he deviates from standard libertarianism when he smells a conflict with SoCons?
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Gus Wed, May 19, 2010 9:48:15pm |
re: #413 ausador
Of course not, it belongs to God, then the state, then you Husband, then you, in that order. You can still have an abortion if it is absolutely necessary to save your life, you just have to get your church, the Feds, your state, and your hubby to sign off on it first, it should only take about nine and a half months to complete all the required paperwork.
/See, no problem, right?
Yeah, but before they sign off first they must get a sonogram; watch the sonogram and read an approved clerical pamphlet; then watch a video produced by Operation Rescue; and register with the state government as a woman getting an abortion.
Then they'll sign off.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 19, 2010 9:48:44pm |
re: #411 sattv4u2
Never said that, did I?
You said good meat should stand on its own to a thing about marinades ;-)
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:49:32pm |
re: #415 Nimed
According to Rand, a zygote is a full-fledged individual, just like you and me. Isn't it interesting how he deviates from standard libertarianism when he smells a conflict with SoCons?
I really wish the pro-lifers would take this to logical conclusion and start demanding we give fetuses social-security numbers and issue conception certificates.
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Kruk Wed, May 19, 2010 9:49:37pm |
re: #28 freetoken
Yes, it's part of a now well worn strategy.
If directly opposing an idea might create image problems, then one turns the tables and promotes the opposite idea hidden within a broader concept.
We see it in education, where creationists will push school vouchers, (or as I said before, a more local control over the curriculum.)
We see it in the "tenth amendment" movements, which allows them to rally for something rather than rally against what they're trying to do away with (such as the CRA.)
It's slippery, it's marketing, it's now the trade and stock of politicians.
It's like at the store, when I see a bar that is advertising on bright yellow signs as "costing less", but nowhere is it mentioned that the size has shrunk!
Kinda off topic:
Holy shit! I just realised reading your post that CRA was short for Civil Rights Act. I've read quite a few posts about the mortage meltdown where people were moaning that the problem wasn't with the markets, but with Government 'social engineering' like the CRA. I always assumed CRA was some kind of housing or lending act. It never crossed my mind people were actually blaming the housing meltdown on the Civil Rights Act.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 19, 2010 9:49:53pm |
re: #412 palomino
Being a pro-choice Republican is a non-starter, except in the northeast and on the west coast. Of course the flip side of this is true for Dems.
Paul wouldn't have gotten anywhere with the GOP base in KY if he considered a woman's womb to be her property.
Not that there's anything right about that.
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:50:40pm |
re: #419 Kruk
Kinda off topic:
Holy shit! I just realised reading your post that CRA was short for Civil Rights Act. I've read quite a few posts about the mortage meltdown where people were moaning that the problem wasn't with the markets, but with Government 'social engineering' like the CRA. I always assumed CRA was some kind of housing or lending act. It never crossed my mind people were actually blaming the housing meltdown on the Civil Rights Act.
Jeez, what sites have you been hanging around at? :P
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 19, 2010 9:51:30pm |
re: #418 JasonA
I really wish the pro-lifers would take this to logical conclusion and start demanding we give fetuses social-security numbers and issue conception certificates.
My argument to the (many) extremist pro-lifers I have tangled with on other forums who believe a fetus is a person is this: every miscarriage is a potential homicide. And should be investigated by police. Every single one.
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palomino Wed, May 19, 2010 9:51:32pm |
re: #415 Nimed
According to Rand, a zygote is a full-fledged individual, just like you and me. Isn't it interesting how he deviates from standard libertarianism when he smells a conflict with SoCons?
Absolutely right. If he thought that tea partiers or SoCons cared about the Civil Rights Act, he'd have found a way to amend his unorthodox position so as not to offend them.
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 9:52:59pm |
re: #418 JasonA
I really wish the pro-lifers would take this to logical conclusion and start demanding we give fetuses social-security numbers and issue conception certificates.
Eh eh. And citizenship would also be determined by the moment of conception.
Oh noes! Hordes of illegal immigrants crossing the border for a quickie!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 9:54:31pm |
BUY GOLD!
///
Or, Kragar's Donut seeds!
(Cheerios)
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, May 19, 2010 9:56:08pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, May 19, 2010 9:56:08pm |
re: #422 WindUpBird
My argument to the (many) extremist pro-lifers I have tangled with on other forums who believe a fetus is a person is this: every miscarriage is a potential homicide. And should be investigated by police. Every single one.
Uhhh...
Miscarriage on Trial in Utah
There’s a new law in Utah mandating women who miscarry, under certain conditions, may face murder charges and life sentences.
Yeah, you thought you were being facetious, didn't you? Well that'll learn ya'!
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Nimed Wed, May 19, 2010 9:56:56pm |
re: #422 WindUpBird
My argument to the (many) extremist pro-lifers I have tangled with on other forums who believe a fetus is a person is this: every miscarriage is a potential homicide. And should be investigated by police. Every single one.
And some organisms live most of their lives in their haploid phase. If we're going to stick to strict biological definitions, I'm afraid we'll face the sad reality of genocide by masturbation.
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Kruk Wed, May 19, 2010 9:57:15pm |
re: #85 marjoriemoon
Maybe this kind of crap worked when Blacks couldn't vote and we didn't have large Hispanic populations, but our world has changed. So much so, in fact, that the Pauls of the world can't bear it. But it is them who will ultimately get left behind. If I have any faith in my nation, I have to believe that.
Call me paranoid, but this why I worry about the loony fringe sometime. Times when oppressed groups were gaining freedoms (the aftermath of the Civil War, the Civil Rights struggle) were also the times of where violence against minorities spiked.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, May 19, 2010 9:58:01pm |
re: #402 webevintage
I'll take "less government" for my womb, for $100 Alex.
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Kruk Wed, May 19, 2010 10:03:40pm |
re: #150 Aceofwhat?
that doesn't mean i'll let you conflate the two, friend...
When you use the word "or" between two things (civil rights OR affirmative action), they are not in fact conflated. If it had been "civil rights/affirmative action", that could be taken as conflation.
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Kruk Wed, May 19, 2010 10:12:10pm |
re: #421 JasonA
Jeez, what sites have you been hanging around at? :P
I read used to Free Republic and Red State, but that was before they went totally batshit. Besides, you sometimes even see this kind of thing in the comments section of "sane" sites.
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Kruk Wed, May 19, 2010 10:13:17pm |
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Bagua Thu, May 20, 2010 12:23:45am |
Hello out there in the Fog? Just an old, Salty Swedish seadog, alone at sea...
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Bagua Thu, May 20, 2010 12:26:11am |
All your followers are belong to us!
Bagua will now return your blogging experience to its prior state. Do not attempt to adjust your dial.
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 12:35:10am |
Well son of a, son of, son of a beach.
/You thought I was going to say bitch didn't you?
//
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 12:36:17am |
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Bagua Thu, May 20, 2010 12:39:37am |
Let the record note that the blog regained consciousness at 12:23am after an unexplained 70 minutes siesta.
Not wishing to jump to conclusions, I suspect everybody!
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engineer cat Thu, May 20, 2010 12:40:23am |
re: #437 Gus 802
Well son of a, son of, son of a beach.
/You thought I was going to say bitch didn't you?
//
there's a really neat little warner bros cartoon clip that they made for themselves where porky pig hits his thumb with a hammer and says
"son-of-a-beh-beh-bih, uh, son-of-a-bih-buh-beh, son-of-a-beh o gosh darn it!
...hehehehehe i bet you thought i was gonna say sonofabitch, didn't you!"
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 12:41:01am |
re: #439 Bagua
Let the record note that the blog regained consciousness at 12:23am after an unexplained 70 minutes siesta.
Not wishing to jump to conclusions, I suspect everybody!
Clearly this is the work of renowned and world famous evil minded hacker, Bagua.
Sincerely,
Sigma-X
//
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 12:41:39am |
re: #440 engineer dog
there's a really neat little warner bros cartoon clip that they made for themselves where porky pig hits his thumb with a hammer and says
"son-of-a-beh-beh-bih, uh, son-of-a-bih-buh-beh, son-of-a-beh o gosh darn it!
...hehehehehe i bet you thought i was gonna say sonofabitch, didn't you!"
That's the one. Thanks.
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freetoken Thu, May 20, 2010 12:52:21am |
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Mentis Fugit Thu, May 20, 2010 12:53:47am |
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engineer cat Thu, May 20, 2010 12:55:15am |
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 12:55:46am |
OK everybody. Pull out your pencils, charcoal, brushes, watercolors, acrylics, oils, etc.
Paint if if you got 'em.
//
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:03:45am |
re: #439 Bagua
Let the record note that the blog regained consciousness at 12:23am after an unexplained 70 minutes siesta.
Not wishing to jump to conclusions, I suspect everybody!
Thank God
For a moment there I thought all the booze and drugs i did back in the late 60's/ early 70's had reared their ugly head upon me again
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:11:20am |
re: #417 WindUpBird
You said good meat should stand on its own to a thing about marinades ;-)
and btw (before the blog was rudely interupted)
"good meat" means more than "edible meat". i'e Burger King vs an upscale steak restaurant
I am not averse to marinating or altering a less than expensive cut of cow
But give me a top of the line "prime" (as opposed to "choice" or "select") and anything other than a tad of salt/ pepper prior to cooking is a shame
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:17:01am |
re: #422 WindUpBird
My argument to the (many) extremist pro-lifers I have tangled with on other forums who believe a fetus is a person is this: every miscarriage is a potential homicide. And should be investigated by police. Every single one.
How so? Who would he perpetrator be? Who would you charge with the "crime"?
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:18:34am |
re: #428 JasonA
under certain conditions
Homicide,, no
But a case could be made for willful endangerment, imho
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boxhead Thu, May 20, 2010 1:21:53am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:24:53am |
re: #452 boxhead
re: #450 sattv4u2
Bad health, or smoking, or any number of things can cause miscarriage. I have read some place that miscarriage tends to happen more than pregnancies. Blame is in the eye of the beholder.
Thats why I stated a case "could be made"
No, not in all miscarriages, nor even in a majority of them. There are a myriad of causes.
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boxhead Thu, May 20, 2010 1:28:12am |
re: #453 sattv4u2
Another item... I do not see or read about artificial insemination from the anti-choice. How many "lives" are frozen because of that. Everything about this topic is so complex. I would not wish the decision a woman might have to make...
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:30:00am |
re: #454 boxhead
Another item... I do not see or read about artificial insemination from the anti-choice. How many "lives" are frozen because of that. Everything about this topic is so complex. I would not wish the decision a woman might have to make...
I would think it's because it's a non-issue
A woman who is looking to be artificially inseminated is looking to HAVE a pregnancy, not to end one
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boxhead Thu, May 20, 2010 1:39:03am |
re: #455 sattv4u2
I would think it's because it's a non-issue
A woman who is looking to be artificially inseminated is looking to HAVE a pregnancy, not to end one
But the couple is creating many lives, (according to many), and most will never see birth.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:47:07am |
re: #456 boxhead
But the couple is creating many lives, (according to many), and most will never see birth.
As is the case with any insemination (the potential for creating life) be it artificial or the ole' fashioned way!
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:48:48am |
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freetoken Thu, May 20, 2010 1:50:07am |
True doublespeak going on from FoxNation, Rupert Murdoch's hate site (well, one of them anyway.)
As we all know, the Texas SBOE is voting on doing some rather radical changes to the curriculum.
Yet what does the FoxNation headline say?
Atheists Fight to Change Textbook Standards
You read the correctly. FoxNation is saying the atheists are the ones fighting to change the textbook standards!
How can anyone take anything that comes from a Murdoch empire outlet seriously?
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 1:55:30am |
How can anyone take anything that comes from a Murdoch empire outlet seriously?
Perhaps the same way anyone can seriously take other "empires" outlets From todays Boston Globe
and to Democrats who are newly worried about revelations that their party’s front-runner, state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, incorrectly said that he served in Vietnam.
Thats all ,, he just "incorrectly said"
The verbiage ,, priceless!
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 2:05:57am |
re: #458 sattv4u2
re: #457 sattv4u2
So again, a non-issue for (as you called them) the anti-choice crowd, because the intent is to create a pregnancy, not to end one
While not pertaining to "the anti-choice crowd" the Vatican issues their own set of moral guidelines regarding artificial insemination. This of course would apply only within the official Roman Catholic faith as dictated by the Holy See as follows:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment
Section - 2376 Artificial fertilization and Insemination
Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses' "right to become a father and a mother only through each other."
Section - 2377 Artificial fertilization and Insemination
Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that "entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person.
Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children." "Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses' union . . . . Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person."
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America provides has a more relaxed stance:
Artificial Insemination - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Ethical Considerations
[20] None of the foregoing considerations are without ethical significance. However, it is my contention that the chief ethical issue, upon which hinges one's ultimate decision for or against AID, has to do with the very nature of marriage and parenthood. This is the issue that finally underlies our ethical assessment of many of the other considerations discussed above. What is the nature of the marriage bond, and what significance does this have for our assessment of AID? What is the proper relationship between this marriage bond and the procreation of children? These are the crucial ethical questions in determining our decisions about AID...
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 2:12:28am |
re: #462 sattv4u2
thanks ,, bookmarked
YW. Those are just two examples. There's more from the Catholic Church here: INSTRUCTION ON RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE IN ITS ORIGIN AND ON THE DIGNITY OF PROCREATION REPLIES TO CERTAIN QUESTIONS OF THE DAY.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 2:15:14am |
And speaking of taking the party back, I'm unfortunately still registered as a Republican in California, as I was shocked to find out when I got my absentee ballot.
Anyone wanna recommend any non-Tea Party candidates before I go Green?
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 2:19:45am |
re: #463 Gus 802
YW. Those are just two examples. There's more from the Catholic Church here: INSTRUCTION ON RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE IN ITS ORIGIN AND ON THE DIGNITY OF PROCREATION REPLIES TO CERTAIN QUESTIONS OF THE DAY.
Again, thanks..but thats a different discussion than the one I was having with boxhead
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 2:20:52am |
re: #464 laZardo
And speaking of taking the party back, I'm unfortunately still registered as a Republican in California, as I was shocked to find out when I got my absentee ballot.
Anyone wanna recommend any non-Tea Party candidates before I go Green?
yup ,, Greens the way I would go !!
[Link: www.gp.org...]
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 2:23:23am |
re: #466 sattv4u2
It'd be easier (per se) to kick her crazy ass out than try to surgically excise the Tea Party from the GOP at this point. ):
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freetoken Thu, May 20, 2010 2:25:19am |
Put up a spinoff from the BBC, of video from Uganda regarding the anti-homosexual law. Interesting video.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 2:26:35am |
re: #467 laZardo
It'd be easier (per se) to kick her crazy ass out than try to surgically excise the Tea Party from the GOP at this point. ):
She's just the tip of the crazy iceberg there!
Maybe they're too stoned to notice, but from their website,,
From now until April 15th, the Platform Committee is seeking comments and ideas for how we can improve our 2004 platform
well ,, better late than never !!
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 2:26:42am |
re: #468 freetoken
Put up a spinoff from the BBC, of video from Uganda regarding the anti-homosexual law. Interesting video.
Speaking of the BBC, it's not just Uganda.
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freetoken Thu, May 20, 2010 2:27:21am |
re: #467 laZardo
Wish that were true, but the US "Green Party" just isn't as mature as some of the European parties that go by that term. Unfortunately any third party in the US is a magnet for anyone who can't make it in the big two...
[oohhh quake...]
... which usually means all sorts of fringy people.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 2:27:46am |
re: #469 sattv4u2
She's just the tip of the crazy iceberg there!
Maybe they're too stoned to notice, but from their website,,
From now until April 15th, the Platform Committee is seeking comments and ideas for how we can improve our 2004 platform
well ,, better late than never !!
Better that than "Independent." From what I'm getting, Independent is more of an "I don't care" affiliation...
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 2:28:30am |
re: #459 freetoken
True doublespeak going on from FoxNation, Rupert Murdoch's hate site (well, one of them anyway.)
As we all know, the Texas SBOE is voting on doing some rather radical changes to the curriculum.
Yet what does the FoxNation headline say?
Atheists Fight to Change Textbook Standards
You read the correctly. FoxNation is saying the atheists are the ones fighting to change the textbook standards!
How can anyone take anything that comes from a Murdoch empire outlet seriously?
The one gentlemen that shows up twice in those videos is Jonathan Saenz.* He's an attorney for the Liberty Institute which is described as "Liberty Institute was founded as Free Market Foundation in 1972 as a 501(c)(3) non- profit organization dedicated to protecting freedoms and strengthening families." I find it laughable that he would saying that "those atheist and liberals" carry a political agenda when in fact so does he and his organization.
I think I proved him wrong just now in my reference to the Catholic Church regarding certain moral questions. There is nothing to shy away from in an open dialogue. I'm perplexed that he would think atheists would want to remove The Alamo from the history book because it was once a Catholic Mission.
*Jonathan Saenz is Director of Legislative Affairs and licensed attorney for Liberty Institute and heads the Austin Office, right across from the Texas Capitol. He was licensed by the State of Texas to practice law in November of 2003 and was in private civil litigation practice prior to joining Liberty Institute. He received his Doctor of Jurisprudence from the University of Houston Law Center in 2003.
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freetoken Thu, May 20, 2010 2:31:01am |
re: #460 sattv4u2
Go ahead and equivocate away anything Fox does.
However, there is only empire that brands itself "Fair and Balanced."
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freetoken Thu, May 20, 2010 2:32:21am |
A ha... 4.4 in the same place as the others (an aftershock of the big Easter quaker):
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 2:36:38am |
re: #474 freetoken
Go ahead and equivocate away anything Fox does.
However, there is only empire that brands itself "Fair and Balanced."
Nice try, but where did I do that? I factually stated that bias is well spread out
And CNN, "THE most trusted name in news!"
ABC ,,, "More Americans get their news from ABC"
Whats the word ,,, hmmm, oh yes ,, MARKETING!
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Gus Thu, May 20, 2010 2:37:08am |
re: #459 freetoken
True doublespeak going on from FoxNation, Rupert Murdoch's hate site (well, one of them anyway.)
As we all know, the Texas SBOE is voting on doing some rather radical changes to the curriculum.
Yet what does the FoxNation headline say?
Atheists Fight to Change Textbook Standards
You read the correctly. FoxNation is saying the atheists are the ones fighting to change the textbook standards!
How can anyone take anything that comes from a Murdoch empire outlet seriously?
Looks like Governor Perry is also proud of receiving the endorsement of the CEO of Liberty Institute, Kelly Shackelford:
Kelly Shackelford Endorses Gov. Perry
September 8, 2009
Election 2010Campaign Update
AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry has received the endorsement of Kelly Shackelford, president of the Free Market Foundation.
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sagehen Thu, May 20, 2010 3:23:21am |
I really like Michelle's dress from last night's dinner. The shoes are cute, too. Not so thrilled with her hair -- it looks like a style that would better suit a 25-year-old.
But I'm a little embarrassed that I actually follow a blog all about Michelle's clothes.
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sagehen Thu, May 20, 2010 3:50:54am |
re: #464 laZardo
And speaking of taking the party back, I'm unfortunately still registered as a Republican in California, as I was shocked to find out when I got my absentee ballot.
Anyone wanna recommend any non-Tea Party candidates before I go Green?
Orly Taitz is running for Secretary of State -- you'll want to vote for the candidate who isn't her.
I don't know a lot about him, but I'd recommend him solely on the criteria that he isn't her.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 3:59:30am |
re: #479 sagehen
Orly Taitz is running for Secretary of State -- you'll want to vote for the candidate who isn't her.
I don't know a lot about him, but I'd recommend him solely on the criteria that he isn't her.
Voting for Damon Dunn was the easiest part of filling out the ballot.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 3:59:57am |
re: #479 sagehen
Orly Taitz is running for Secretary of State -- you'll want to vote for the candidate who isn't her.
I don't know a lot about him, but I'd recommend him solely on the criteria that he isn't her.
His slogan should be
"Vote For Me Cause I'm Not She"!
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:00:25am |
re: #480 laZardo
Voting for Damon Dunn was the easiest part of filling out the ballot.
you did that then were done!
/
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 4:01:05am |
re: #478 sagehen
I really like Michelle's dress from last night's dinner. The shoes are cute, too. Not so thrilled with her hair -- it looks like a style that would better suit a 25-year-old.
But I'm a little embarrassed that I actually follow a blog all about Michelle's clothes.
I wouldn't be, unless you take it as being something super duper uber important, OMG did you see what she wore she's going to ruin the country or ruin the shoe fashion world type craziness. Then I'd be embarassed for you. :D
Otherwise, everyone needs some lighthearted and relatively meaningless escapism in something that interests them. It's good for the soul.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 4:06:08am |
re: #483 Jadespring
Otherwise, everyone needs some lighthearted and relatively meaningless escapism in something that interests them. It's good for the soul.
I have no soul, which would explain why my escape is 4chan. :D
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:07:32am |
re: #484 laZardo
I have no soul, which would explain why my escape is 4chan. :D
I have no liver, which would explain why my escape is Booze !!
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:11:23am |
re: #485 sattv4u2
Good morning Sattv4u2, how are things?
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 4:13:23am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:13:34am |
re: #486 Jetpilot1101
Good morning Sattv4u2, how are things?
trying to keep my eyelids open. Starting the last 3 hours of a 12 hour overnight shift, and I didn't get my usual "nap" yesterday afternoon to prepare. So as of right now I've been awake for 24 1/2 hours, the last 9 of those at work
{sigh}
Hows things your way ??
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 4:13:55am |
re: #485 sattv4u2
Friend of mine has the t-shirt... "This liver is evil, and must be punished."
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:14:41am |
re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Friend of mine has the t-shirt... "This liver is evil, and must be punished."
I'm shocked!
No,, not at the T-Shirt,,,
That you have a friend!!
//
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Renaissance_Man Thu, May 20, 2010 4:14:50am |
re: #476 sattv4u2
Nice try, but where did I do that? I factually stated that bias is well spread out
You did not. You stated:
Perhaps the same way anyone can seriously take other "empires" outlets From todays Boston Globe
and to Democrats who are newly worried about revelations that their party’s front-runner, state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, incorrectly said that he served in Vietnam.
Thats all ,, he just "incorrectly said"
The verbiage ,, priceless!
By stating that, you insinuated that bias was equivalent in other outlets. And you did so by equivocating the overt falsehood in the FOX headline with what you perceive as spin in the Boston Globe.
In other words, your response to an example of not only heavily biased spin, but a direct and overt falsehood (claiming that atheists are the ones changing textbook standards, when in reality creationists are the ones doing so), is to claim that a factual statement by another news organisation is somehow equivalently biased. You apparently feel that factual statements are somehow equivalent to total lies, because... the factual statements don't attack the people you hate enough? Because they don't use the words you like to hear? Because a simple statement reporting what happened isn't enough, it needs to be accompanied by an editorial comment that reflects your own opinion?
Media bias exists. However, media bias does not mean not attacking the people you hate enough, or reporting true events that don't exactly match your opinion. Making up facts, however, is definitely media bias. In fact, it's worse than that. It's lying, and a repulsive miscarriage of journalism. I'm sorry that the so-called 'news' outlet you agree with most does it far more than all the others put together.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 4:15:20am |
re: #478 sagehen
Her shoulders and neck are fantastic, IMO.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:15:41am |
re: #491 Renaissance_Man
{yawn}.,,,, thanks ,, like I wasn't sleepy already!
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:16:40am |
re: #488 sattv4u2
I'm on leave for 10 days with my son. My wife took my daughter up to Boston for a battery of tests so I'm baching it with the boy. Been doing a lot of yardwork and daytrading so I'm having a blast. So far, everything is fine with my daughter and life is good. I needed a break from the oil spill response, that mess is killing us down here. I can't count how many VIP's, Media, and other folks I've flown out to that spill site.
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 4:18:34am |
re: #484 laZardo
I have no soul, which would explain why my escape is 4chan. :D
I was trying to think what my probably embarassing pop culture escapism would be. Only think I can think of right now is that I watch Survivor. It's only fun though if I watch it with someone else. You have to be able to bitch and shake your head at the people with someone else or it's not as interesting. :)
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:18:40am |
re: #494 Jetpilot1101
I'm on leave for 10 days with my son. My wife took my daughter up to Boston for a battery of tests so I'm baching it with the boy. Been doing a lot of yardwork and daytrading so I'm having a blast. So far, everything is fine with my daughter and life is good. I needed a break from the oil spill response, that mess is killing us down here. I can't count how many VIP's, Media, and other folks I've flown out to that spill site.
Which hospital/ facility in Boston
Some of THE best care in the world is there
(and prayers for your daughters well being)
((and while they're up there, if they could go to Mikes Bakery in the North End and get me a Ricotta Cheese Pie I would be in your debt for LIFE!!))
//
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Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 4:19:29am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:19:47am |
re: #494 Jetpilot1101
re: #496 sattv4u2
Which hospital/ facility in Boston
Some of THE best care in the world is there
(and prayers for your daughters well being)
((and while they're up there, if they could go to Mikes
BakeryPastry in the North End and get me a Ricotta Cheese Pie I would be in your debt for LIFE!!))
//
pimf ,,, T-I-R-E-D !!
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:22:14am |
re: #496 sattv4u2
All the procedures were at Mass General and Boston Children's. Most of the appointments are in Waltham. The medical care is second to none which is why I flew them up there. Pluas I've got family and great health insurance that will cover all the expenses so the trip was very little out of pocket. I'd send her for the pie but I don't think you'd like the taste of it when you got it in the mail.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, May 20, 2010 4:22:46am |
re: #494 Jetpilot1101
Thoughts, prayers and well wishes for your daughter, you and your family.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:23:04am |
re: #491 Renaissance_Man
I'm sorry that the so-called 'news' outlet you agree with
BTW ,,, bad assumption on your part!
I don't agree with bias. I don't agree with shoddy reportage.
'But ,, BUT ,,,, your conservative ,, you MUST agree with FOX. I have this meme in my head, and like,, everything!!"
{sigh}
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 4:23:08am |
re: #494 Jetpilot1101
Have some fun with the people you fly out there. Two suggestions...
1. Ask them if they brought a sponge.
2. Fly them over Lake Pontchartrain, telling them that one of the side effects of the spill is that the Gulf has shrunk.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:23:34am |
re: #500 Taqyia2Me
Thank you all. So far so good and she is being seen by some of the top specialists in the country so I'm very hopeful that everything will be fine. Thanks again.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:24:02am |
re: #499 Jetpilot1101
All the procedures were at Mass General and Boston Children's. Most of the appointments are in Waltham. The medical care is second to none which is why I flew them up there. Pluas I've got family and great health insurance that will cover all the expenses so the trip was very little out of pocket. I'd send her for the pie but I don't think you'd like the taste of it when you got it in the mail.
Mass general is great and Childrens is PHENOMENAL !
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 4:24:55am |
re: #501 sattv4u2
And racist. Don't forget racist.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:25:41am |
re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Have some fun with the people you fly out there. Two suggestions...
1. Ask them if they brought a sponge.
2. Fly them over Lake Pontchartrain, telling them that one of the side effects of the spill is that the Gulf has shrunk.
Great ideas, I'm going to have to use them. One of my crewmembers wanted to do an entire interview with a German news outlet in a fake german accent. I don't know if he got the chance but his accent is pretty good so if he did, I'll bet it's hilarious.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:26:08am |
re: #506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And racist. Don't forget racist.
that goes without saying
WHITE MALE ,,, CHECK
MIDDLE AGED,,,CHECK
CONSERVATIVE,,CHECK
RACIST,,,,,,,,,,,, :)
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:27:01am |
re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Have some fun with the people you fly out there. Two suggestions...
1. Ask them if they brought a sponge.
2. Fly them over Lake Pontchartrain, telling them that one of the side effects of the spill is that the Gulf has shrunk.
FESS UP ,, this early in the morning you Googled MAPS for the spelling of Lake Pontchartrain
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 4:27:10am |
re: #491 Renaissance_Man
By stating that, you insinuated that bias was equivalent in other outlets. And you did so by equivocating the overt falsehood in the FOX headline with what you perceive as spin in the Boston Globe.
In other words, your response to an example of not only heavily biased spin, but a direct and overt falsehood (claiming that atheists are the ones changing textbook standards, when in reality creationists are the ones doing so), is to claim that a factual statement by another news organisation is somehow equivalently biased. You apparently feel that factual statements are somehow equivalent to total lies, because... the factual statements don't attack the people you hate enough? Because they don't use the words you like to hear? Because a simple statement reporting what happened isn't enough, it needs to be accompanied by an editorial comment that reflects your own opinion?
Media bias exists. However, media bias does not mean not attacking the people you hate enough, or reporting true events that don't exactly match your opinion. Making up facts, however, is definitely media bias. In fact, it's worse than that. It's lying, and a repulsive miscarriage of journalism. I'm sorry that the so-called 'news' outlet you agree with most does it far more than all the others put together.
Media political bias has traditionally had much less to do with outright misstatement of facts and much more to do with spinning and interpreting facts, ignoring or under-reporting of facts, over-reporting of facts, expressing partisan postions and attacking and taking cheap partisan shots at political opponents.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:27:25am |
re: #504 sattv4u2
Mass general is great and Childrens is PHENOMENAL !
They certainly are and I'm thankful that I have access to them and that my daughter is getting the best care available.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 4:28:38am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:30:01am |
re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did I spell it right?
Of course I wiki'd it.
Hell if I know ,,,, Make it Lake Huron ,,,easier to spell!!
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 4:30:13am |
LOL. My cats were acting strange last night and I finally figured out why.
Usually when I go to bed they're all up there to get their cuddles before they settle in on their spots at the end of the bed and the chair. Last night nada, they weren't even in the room.
This morning they haven't been around much either. Went down stairs and they're hanging out with the clothes I wore yesterday. One is sound asleep on my shorts.
Really weird until I remembered that one of the things I did in the afternoon was pull out several large patches of catnip. :D
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Taqyia2Me Thu, May 20, 2010 4:31:38am |
re: #512 Spare O'Lake
Media political bias has traditionally had much less to do with outright misstatement of facts and much more to do with spinning and interpreting facts, ignoring or under-reporting of facts, over-reporting of facts, expressing partisan postions and attacking and taking cheap partisan shots at political opponents.
If I could only give that 1K updings. In school, I was taught that, outside the editorial pages, the news should be delivered based only on the facts. Time has proven this to be totally wrong.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:33:10am |
re: #516 Jadespring
LOL. My cats were acting strange last night and I finally figured out why.
Usually when I go to bed they're all up there to get their cuddles before they settle in on their spots at the end of the bed and the chair. Last night nada, they weren't even in the room.
This morning they haven't been around much either. Went down stairs and they're hanging out with the clothes I wore yesterday. One is sound asleep on my shorts.
Really weird until I remembered that one of the things I did in the afternoon was pull out several large patches of catnip. :D
Well at least they sleep all night. Mine like to sleep until about 2 AM and then get up and start knocking pens and other small item off the shelves. Couple that with a lot of purring and jumping around and generally they spend the night in the laundry room.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, May 20, 2010 4:34:39am |
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 4:36:32am |
re: #518 Jetpilot1101
Well at least they sleep all night. Mine like to sleep until about 2 AM and then get up and start knocking pens and other small item off the shelves. Couple that with a lot of purring and jumping around and generally they spend the night in the laundry room.
Mine do that sometimes do that. Hubby will sit up and yell, "If you want to play take it downstairs." Then they go downstairs. They won't do it if I say that but for some reason they seem to understand and obey my husband.
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 4:38:14am |
re: #521 Jadespring
Mine do that sometimes do that. Hubby will sit up and yell, "If you want to play take it downstairs." Then they go downstairs. They won't do it if I say that but for some reason they seem to understand and obey my husband.
Ugh. I can't write. PIMF Mine will do that sometimes.
I'm having problems getting my arms and hands to coordinate with my brain.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:38:27am |
re: #521 Jadespring
Mine do that sometimes do that. Hubby will sit up and yell, "If you want to play take it downstairs." Then they go downstairs. They won't do it if I say that but for some reason they seem to understand and obey my husband.
I'll have to try that and see what they do. My guess is they'll look at me funny and then jump on my head. Mooshoo and Wonton are adorable cats but they seem to be somewhat nocturnal; maybe because they sleep all day.
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Liberal Classic Thu, May 20, 2010 4:39:05am |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
Rand Paul might or might not be a racist. His father certainly had some racist views and associations so it's entirely possible he inherited racist views. However, his real problem is he's a fundamentalist. Any form of fundamentalism allows people to turn off all logic and rational thought. He's hiding behind his form of libertarianism and not allowing himself to express his own views, he'll only adhere to an ideology.
I remain a libertarian, and I still believe a social liberal/fiscal conservative direction for the nation, but I have to say that his form is not mine.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 4:40:32am |
re: #519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
OT... Taliban are assholes.
Radical Islam is absolutely devoted to killing as many Americans as possible. Luckily the Taliban failed miserably in their terror training of the Times Square domestic Islamofascist bomber.
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Kefirah Thu, May 20, 2010 4:41:06am |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
too much dairy for shavuot = sleepy kefirah. but, you know - weasels who dodge point.blank questions about civil rights have a way of waking me up.
what drove me absolutely bananas was his statement, "esoteric hypotheticals" or something to that effect. also trying to conflate federal rules regarding civil rights with "public ownership." no, you still privately own your restaurant, you just don't get to be a schmuck about who eats there.
to steal a phrase from charles: bad craziness.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 4:41:39am |
re: #520 Taqyia2Me
I'm watching "The Most" on the History Channel. Just showed the Taliban assholes blowing up The Bamiyan Buddha of Afghanistan. The 170' tall Buddha was carved into the side of a mountain in Afganistan.
Fifteen hundred years old.
Fuckers.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:43:53am |
re: #524 Liberal Classic
Politics bore me. Want some real excitement, daytrade OTCBB and Pinksheet stocks. That will get your blood flowing and while you may yell at your computer screen, at least you'll be yelling at little numbers as opposed to looking at Maddow, Beck, Schults, Olberman, O'Reilly or Hannity.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 4:45:18am |
re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm watching "The Most" on the History Channel. Just showed the Taliban assholes blowing up The Bamiyan Buddha of Afghanistan. The 170' tall Buddha was carved into the side of a mountain in Afganistan.
Fifteen hundred years old.
Fuckers.
In 2008, another one was found.
/source off Wiki, take as you will
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 4:46:48am |
Rand Paul: Since Tiger Woods, golf country clubs are no longer ‘exclusive’
... "Some people find it a bit ironic that your victory party last night was at a private country club," Robin Roberts noted. "Doesn't that send a mixed message there?"
Paul, however, refused to concede the point. "I think at one time, people used to think of golf and golf clubs and golf courses as being exclusive," he explained. "I think in recent years now you see a lot of people playing golf. I think Tiger Woods has helped to broaden that, in the sense that he's brought golf to a lot of the cities and to city youth, and so now I don't think it's nearly as exclusive as people once considered it to be."
...The choice of the scandal-plagued Woods as an example might seem like an odd one, though it could be concluded that Paul was merely attempting to make the point that golf is no longer solely a rich man's game. In that case, however, the possibility that some inner city youths may be taking up the sport has little to do with the exclusivity of a club that charges a $2500 "initiation fee" for full membership, plus monthly charges of $270.
But the more serious issue highlighted by Rand's mention of Tiger Woods is one of race. According to the club's own website, "Bowling Green Country Club is one of Kentucky's oldest and most respected private clubs. Our active and vibrant membership has helped establish a heritage and tradition that the club has maintained since its inception in 1913. Bowling Green Country Club is located in the heart of the state, affording our club a relaxed, warm environment that embraces the uniqueness of the local culture."
It appears that the club's devotion to maintaining its "history and tradition" included a dogged adherence to segregation as late as the 1960's. According to a history of Western Kentucky University, "In 1967 the golf team, which had no practice course, was invited to use the facilities of the Bowling Green Country Club. Then it was discovered that the team might have a black member. The Country Club was not integrated, and the invitation came under question." The university team wound up going elsewhere for its practices.
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Liberal Classic Thu, May 20, 2010 4:49:36am |
re: #528 Jetpilot1101
Politics bore me. Want some real excitement, daytrade OTCBB and Pinksheet stocks. That will get your blood flowing and while you may yell at your computer screen, at least you'll be yelling at little numbers as opposed to looking at Maddow, Beck, Schults, Olberman, O'Reilly or Hannity.
I've been exploring the stock market the past few years. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't exciting. Not sure if I could actually day trade and make enough income to replace a full time salary.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 4:52:02am |
So North Korea gets to torpedo a South Korean ship with seeming impunity.
The Nork beast does what it wants and the civilized world be damned.
Fuck you all, they say. Fuck you all.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 4:53:36am |
Scientists Fault U.S. Response in Assessing Gulf Oil Spill
Tensions between the Obama administration and the scientific community over the gulf oil spill are escalating, with prominent oceanographers accusing the government of failing to conduct an adequate scientific analysis of the damage and of allowing BP to obscure the spill’s true scope.
The scientists assert that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and other agencies have been slow to investigate the magnitude of the spill and the damage it is causing in the deep ocean. They are especially concerned about getting a better handle on problems that may be occurring from large plumes of oil droplets that appear to be spreading beneath the ocean surface.
The scientists point out that in the month since the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded, the government has failed to make public a single test result on water from the deep ocean. And the scientists say the administration has been too reluctant to demand an accurate analysis of how many gallons of oil are flowing into the sea from the gushing oil well.
“It seems baffling that we don’t know how much oil is being spilled,” Sylvia Earle, a famed oceanographer, said Wednesday on Capitol Hill. “It seems baffling that we don’t know where the oil is in the water column.”
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:55:12am |
re: #532 Spare O'Lake
So North Korea gets to torpedo a South Korean ship with seeming impunity.
The Nork beast does what it wants and the civilized world be damned.
Fuck you all, they say. Fuck you all.
They're so ronery!
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 4:55:30am |
re: #532 Spare O'Lake
So North Korea gets to torpedo a South Korean ship with seeming impunity.
The Nork beast does what it wants and the civilized world be damned.
Fuck you all, they say. Fuck you all.
What do you think should be done about it?
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:55:56am |
re: #531 Liberal Classic
I've been exploring the stock market the past few years. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't exciting. Not sure if I could actually day trade and make enough income to replace a full time salary.
I daytrade for fun, I do have a full time job so I only get to do it on days off or when I have night flight etc. Don't confuse the OTCBB or Pinksheets with the stock market, they aren't it. They can be best described as the wild west prior to any sort of law and order. One moment your basking in 100% gains, the next you are being crushed under a mountain of dilution. Stocks are nothing more than 2 cent whores in this marketplace. Get in, and get out and hopefully you don't wind up holding the bag. Any profit is a good profit and never ever fall in love with a stock. OTCBB/Pinksheets can make you rich but they can send you to the poor house just as fast. Never gamble any money you can't afford to lose. Enjoy the ride.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 4:55:57am |
re: #532 Spare O'Lake
So North Korea gets to torpedo a South Korean ship with seeming impunity.
The Nork beast does what it wants and the civilized world be damned.
Fuck you all, they say. Fuck you all.
There was a day that a little punk country link NK would get spanked for that. Today it seems like there aren't any leaders with the backbone to punish small regimes like that.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 4:56:50am |
re: #535 Jadespring
What do you think should be done about it?
Cut off Mental Lee Ills' supply of porn!!!
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:01:26am |
re: #537 NJDhockeyfan
There was a day that a little punk country link NK would get spanked for that. Today it seems like there aren't any leaders with the backbone to punish small regimes like that.
Because then China would intervene and everything will go to shit.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 5:02:59am |
re: #532 Spare O'Lake
Every time someone uses the word "impunity" if fear a pun thread.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 5:03:30am |
re: #535 Jadespring
What do you think should be done about it?
Send them food and supply them with energy, of course.
And just keep issuing empty proclamations while China revels in the background at the impotence of America.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:04:35am |
re: #541 Spare O'Lake
Send them food and supply them with energy, of course.
And just keep issuing empty proclamations while China revels in the background at the impotence of America.
I think Obama should announce a beer and porn summit to let them talk over their differences.
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 5:05:05am |
re: #541 Spare O'Lake
Send them food and supply them with energy, of course.
And just keep issuing empty proclamations while China revels in the background at the impotence of America.
Oh. Interesting.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 5:05:06am |
Valley Girl kind of like asks David Horowitz dumbest question ever
A student questioner at the University of California – San Diego on Wednesday confronted guest speaker David Horowitz with a question so manifestly brilliant that the crowd stood stunned in awe-struck silence and Horowitz was left muttering “Jesus” under his breath. The student, who compared the Founding Fathers to Islamic terrorists because of their battlefield tactics and the Salem Witch Trials, left after Horowitz began to speculate on the origins of what he perceived as the woman’s abject stupidity.
The transcript:
Student Questioner: “Isn’t that kind of what the founding fathers did when they were fighting the British? It’s kind of like the same thing.” [She then has a tremendously self-satisfied smile on her face -- because she's so brilliant.]David Horowitz: “Except there’s one big difference. The founding fathers weren’t Nazis. They didn’t want to exterminate. They weren’t religious fanatics who wanted to exterminate people.
Student Questioner: “The Puritans weren’t religious fanatics? The Puritans weren’t religious fanatics?”
Horowitz: “They were religious people who believed in tolerance because they were refugees from religious oppression.
Student: “You’re right they were so free of religion that they set up dictatorships and expelled people. Remember, like, the witch trials?”
Horowitz: “Save your communist speech for the Finklestein event. Enough. Enough. It’s boring. You’re boring. And by the way she could have picked up this idiocy in the standard text for peace studies… Thanks for sitting for an hour and a half to deliver that rant… Trotsky once said that Stalinism was the perfect theory for gluing up the brain. But it’s leftism.”
Heh.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:05:32am |
re: #539 laZardo
Because then China would intervene and everything will go to shit.
In the past China would use North Korea to keep the US off balance because of our commitments to South Korea
Today, China has the financial wherewithal to keep us off balance. But thats a two edged sword. Does China want to alienate us (i.e.,, their money) just for the sake of propping up a regime that costs China financial and political headaches
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:06:55am |
re: #545 sattv4u2
In the past China would use North Korea to keep the US off balance because of our commitments to South Korea
Today, China has the financial wherewithal to keep us off balance. But thats a two edged sword. Does China want to alienate us (i.e.,, their money) just for the sake of propping up a regime that costs China financial and political headaches
I actually suspect that if North Korea decides to march over the DMZ first, then China would probably wag their fingers (and unofficially, look the other way.)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 5:07:45am |
re: #545 sattv4u2
I'd really like to see an audit of the Chinese. Me thinks they not have the monies that we thinks they have.
Really nice house, two really nice cars... no furniture inside the house. One car up on blocks cause they can't put gas in it... etc.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 5:07:59am |
Gaza bans late-night partying to encourage studying
GAZA CITY (AFP) – Gaza's Hamas government on Wednesday banned late-night partying in public places so that high-school students can get a bit of peace and quiet as they prepare for their final exams.
The Islamist movement's interior ministry said it decided "celebrations, family gatherings and weddings held in the street must end at 10 pm."
It said the measure was taken to "ensure peace for the high-school students so they can pass their exams with success."
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:09:34am |
re: #548 NJDhockeyfan
Student A: "Hey man, what time's the party tonight?"
Student B: "Party's cancelled, bro. Besides, don't wanna oversleep for Bombmaking 101 tomorrow."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 5:09:35am |
C'mon y'all. You get to come to the car dealership service department with me. My car's first visit ever to a shop (not counting oil and tires)... 230,000 miles.
Not bad, huh.
Well, c'mon! I don't have all day!
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:10:34am |
re: #547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'd really like to see an audit of the Chinese. Me thinks they not have the monies that we thinks they have.
Really nice house, two really nice cars... no furniture inside the house. One car up on blocks cause they can't put gas in it... etc.
au contrair my portly friend
[Link: www.google.com...]
Yes ,,, the 'average" Chinese family still subsides well below what we here in the states would consider poverty, but the gov't ,, the businesses,,, thriving!
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:11:09am |
re: #550 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
C'mon y'all. You get to come to the car dealership service department with me. My car's first visit ever to a shop (not counting oil and tires)... 230,000 miles.
Not bad, huh.
Well, c'mon! I don't have all day!
SHOTGUN!!
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 5:13:34am |
re: #543 Jadespring
Actually I think America should sell lots and lots of very deadly and advanced weapons and armaments to South Korea and Japan, and then tell our Asian allies that they need to train and mobilize large armed forces to deal with the Norks.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:17:04am |
re: #553 Spare O'Lake
Actually I think America should sell lots and lots of very deadly and advanced weapons and armaments to South Korea and Japan, and then tell our Asian allies that they need to train and mobilize large armed forces to deal with the Norks.
Japan should repeal that part of their constitution that prevents them from building mecha.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:19:25am |
re: #554 laZardo
Japan should repeal that part of their constitution that prevents them from building mecha.
[Video]
Either that, or just persuade Godzilla to
[Link: www.dailymotion.com...] out of retirement!
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Jadespring Thu, May 20, 2010 5:19:47am |
re: #553 Spare O'Lake
Actually I think America should sell lots and lots of very deadly and advanced weapons and armaments to South Korea and Japan, and then tell our Asian allies that they need to train and mobilize large armed forces to deal with the Norks.
Sounds like a foolproof plan. Can't see where anything could go wrong with it.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 5:20:55am |
Some bicycle news...
Cyclist Floyd Landis Admits Doping, Alleges Use by Armstrong and Others
Floyd Landis, the American cyclist whose 2006 Tour De France victory was nullified after a positive doping test, has sent a series of emails to cycling officials and sponsors admitting to, and detailing, his systematic use of performance enhancing drugs during his career. The emails also claim that other riders and cycling officials allegedly participated in doping, including seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong.It's unclear how many emails Mr. Landis sent. Three emails, which are dated between April 30 and May 6, have been reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Mr. Landis copied seven people on these three emails, including officials with USA Cycling and the International Cycling Union. Three people who have seen the emails and spoken to Mr. Landis about them say they are authentic.
Mr. Armstrong did not respond to messages seeking comment Wednesday evening. Mr. Armstrong has faced a number of doping accusations during his career, which he has denied. He has never been sanctioned.
Mr. Landis's charges couldn't be independently verified. Mr. Landis did not respond to a request for comment.
In the emails, he expressed frustration about the inability of antidoping officials to clean up the sport.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:21:55am |
re: #555 sattv4u2
Either that, or just persuade Godzilla to
[Link: www.dailymotion.com...] out of retirement!
That's why Japan hasn't signed onto the whaling ban. They need to keep their secret weapon well-fed to battle North Korea's kaiju.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, May 20, 2010 5:22:18am |
re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm watching "The Most" on the History Channel. Just showed the Taliban assholes blowing up The Bamiyan Buddha of Afghanistan. The 170' tall Buddha was carved into the side of a mountain in Afganistan.
Fifteen hundred years old.
Fuckers.
I've seen that episode. While that certainly infuriates the civilized world, they're turning Afghani soccer stadiums into execution sites for women convicted of "adultery" is what truly makes my blood boil. "Adultery" often being the charge for the woman "dishonoring" her family for the "crime" of being gang-raped in her home.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:22:23am |
re: #557 NJDhockeyfan
Some bicycle news...
Cyclist Floyd Landis Admits Doping, Alleges Use by Armstrong and Others
"No I didn't"
"No I didn't"
"No I didn't"
"No I didn't"
((oh hell ,, YES I did !!))
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simoom Thu, May 20, 2010 5:24:50am |
Heh, from the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power:
[Link: www.ladwpnews.com...]
General Manager's Statement Regarding
LADWP Power Generation Assets in Arizona"I want to make clear that we support the City position regarding the recent law enacted in Arizona and the resolution adopted by the Los Angeles City Council.
On any given day, we receive 20 – 25% of our power from two power plants located in Arizona: Navajo, a coal-fired plant, and Palo Verde, a nuclear plant.
We are part owner of both power plants, which are generating assets of the Department. As such, nothing in the City’s resolution is inconsistent with our continuing to receive power from those LADWP-owned assets.
I might add that, as the City’s Job Czar, I certainly would welcome any conventions or meetings that were going to be held in Arizona to come to Los Angeles. We have fantastic facilities and incomparable weather and we’d welcome them to the City of Angels."
- Austin Beutner, General Manager, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power
Shorter LADWP, "Nice try threatening us with our own property." :o
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 5:25:38am |
re: #556 Jadespring
Sounds like a foolproof plan. Can't see where anything could go wrong with it.
Do you have anything to suggest?
America can no longer afford to police the whole fucking world by itself. Time for the allies to put up BIGTIME...or shut up.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:26:39am |
re: #561 simoom
Heh, from the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power:
[Link: www.ladwpnews.com...]Shorter LADWP, "Nice try threatening us with our own property." :o
You may have missed the "PART OWNER" part
(that ,, and the location of the facilities!!)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 5:28:59am |
KALAMAZOO — The White House appears to be laying the groundwork for President Barack Obama to shake the hand of each senior at Kalamazoo Central High School’s commencement ceremony next month.
Seniors are being asked to provide their birthdates, Social Security numbers and citizen status to the Secret Service so background checks could be performed. Such a check is required for anyone who gets within an arm’s length of the president, students were told at their senior breakfast Friday.
Racists!
/
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:31:35am |
re: #564 NJDhockeyfan
So what happens if one of the seniors turns out to be here illegaly? Will President Obama still shake their hand? Seems like quite the conundrum.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 5:32:19am |
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:33:49am |
re: #562 Spare O'Lake
Do you have anything to suggest?
America can no longer afford to police the whole fucking world by itself. Time for the allies to put up BIGTIME...or shut up.
I keep wishing we here in the Philippines would modernize our military. Unfortunately our president-elect is the son of a famous figure that got killed by a martial-law dictator.
Not that I don't doubt Ninoy Aquino's heroism during those trying times, but it seems any attempt to try to improve our military strength is very easily rebuked by the ghosts of Marcos.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:34:10am |
re: #566 Jetpilot1101
So what happens if one of the seniors turns out to be here illegaly? Will President Obama still shake their hand? Seems like quite the conundrum.
For some reason, the image of Ralph Kramden just flashed through my head
'hummina hummina hummina"
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 5:34:57am |
U.S. wants to build up Hezbollah moderates: adviser
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Obama administration is looking for ways to build up "moderate elements" within the Lebanese Hezbollah guerrilla movement and to diminish the influence of hard-liners, a top White House official said on Tuesday.
John Brennan, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, met with Lebanese leaders during a recent visit.
"Hezbollah is a very interesting organization," Brennan told a Washington conference, citing its evolution from "purely a terrorist organization" to a militia to an organization that now has members within the parliament and the cabinet.
"There is certainly the elements of Hezbollah that are truly a concern to us what they're doing. And what we need to do is to find ways to diminish their influence within the organization and to try to build up the more moderate elements," Brennan said.
He did not spell out how Washington hoped to promote "moderate elements" given that the organization is branded a "foreign terrorist organization" by the United States.
Moderate Hezbollah? What the hell is that?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, May 20, 2010 5:36:21am |
Wow. The Norks sink a ship, kill 46 sailors, then they threaten war. Are you fucking kidding me?
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:37:19am |
re: #570 NJDhockeyfan
U.S. wants to build up Hezbollah moderates: adviser
Moderate Hezbollah? What the hell is that?
what part of Lebanese Hezbollah guerrilla movement is unclear?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 5:37:57am |
re: #570 NJDhockeyfan
U.S. wants to build up Hezbollah moderates: adviser
Moderate Hezbollah? What the hell is that?
Obama is a huge tool if he thinks he can split Hezbollah in this pussy-footed fashion.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:38:47am |
re: #571 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow. The Norks sink a ship, kill 46 sailors, then they threaten war. Are you fucking kidding me?
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
Technically, the two Koreas are still at war.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:39:09am |
re: #573 Spare O'Lake
Obama is a huge tool if he thinks he can split Hezbollah in this pussy-footed fashion.
I don't think his sexual prowess is of any import in this matter!
///
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Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 5:44:50am |
re: #544 NJDhockeyfan
Man, she flustered him.
The founding fathers weren't Puritans. The Puritans were the first colonist-- the founding fathers are the guys who won the Revolutionary war. That's the easy answer to her. She's simply factually wrong.
His rant at the end had nothing to do with what she was saying; she wasn't presenting anything in the least bit communist. Just dumb.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:45:02am |
re: #573 Spare O'Lake
Obama is a huge tool if he thinks he can split Hezbollah in this pussy-footed fashion.
President Obama is becoming more ineffective everyday. November could send his presidency into lame duck status poste haste. Although I didn't vote for him, I was willing to give him a chance and see what he could do. My biggest disappointment has been his lack of leadership. Instead of leading, he abdicated his responsibilities and let Pelosi and Reid run the show. Now that he faces the potnetial of a less than amicable Congress this fall, his lack of leadership is going to come back to bite him. The rest of the world sees a lack of leadership at home and in light of that, they don't respect him. I don't relish his failure, I think it is a sad testament to the hubris that has invaded modern politics.
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Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 5:47:01am |
re: #577 Jetpilot1101
Can you point out a responsibility that Obama has 'abdicated', please?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, May 20, 2010 5:51:36am |
re: #578 Obdicut
Can you point out a responsibility that Obama has 'abdicated', please?
Health care bill. Or, do you think he read it? (no one else did)
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:53:34am |
re: #576 Obdicut
Man, she flustered him.
The founding fathers weren't Puritans. The Puritans were the first colonist-- the founding fathers are the guys who won the Revolutionary war. That's the easy answer to her. She's simply factually wrong.
His rant at the end had nothing to do with what she was saying; she wasn't presenting anything in the least bit communist. Just dumb.
Valley Girls are why I'm so cynical about increasing the education budget. It seems for every decent graduate produced, we get at least 2 Valley Girls, 3 Gangstas (regardless of race) and several dozen lazy hipsters.
The worst bit about it is the latter three groups are likely to get the better breaks in life these days.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:56:25am |
re: #580 laZardo
Better him than the Tea Party GOP.
There, I said it.
I agree with you there. Quite honestly, at this point in time, I hope that Hillary Clinton challenges him in the primary because I'd rather have her than him.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:56:57am |
re: #582 Jetpilot1101
I agree with you there. Quite honestly, at this point in time, I hope that Hillary Clinton challenges him in the primary because I'd rather have her than him.
in bed!
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:57:55am |
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 5:58:37am |
re: #584 sattv4u2
eewww ,,, I just threw up a little in my mouth!
Oh, you got off easy. I was hoping to sleep early tonight. D:
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 5:59:01am |
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:01:21am |
re: #578 Obdicut
The healthcare bill is the most glaring example. I wish he had stated what he wanted and told his supermajority in both houses to get it done. Instead, he let them write the bill and provided very little guidance. He is the president and he should lead his party, not let Pelosi and Reid drive the ship.
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Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 6:03:04am |
re: #587 Jetpilot1101
Yes, the Executive letting the Legislative branch write legislation is clearly an abdication of responsibility.
/
Can you give an example of Obama abandoning an actual responsibility of the president?
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Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 6:03:36am |
Good grief, I'm in the middle of writing a post then, BAM, internet connection goes bye-bye.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:04:43am |
re: #587 Jetpilot1101
The healthcare bill is the most glaring example. I wish he had stated what he wanted and told his supermajority in both houses to get it done. Instead, he let them write the bill and provided very little guidance. He is the president and he should lead his party, not let Pelosi and Reid drive the ship.
Just speculation, but plausible deniability?
If the health bill is still as unpopular in the run up to the 2012 elections as it is today, he could say "this is the bill congress delivered to me"
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Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 6:04:59am |
re: #589 Varek Raith
I bet it was a brilliant post, too, amusingly insouciant, peppered with a choice selection of glittering phrases and insightful, groundbreaking asides.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 6:05:00am |
Venezuela's Hugo Chavez allegedly helped Colombian, Spanish militants forge ties
MACHIQUES, VENEZUELA -- For two years, Colombian officials have accused Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez of providing arms and sanctuary to Marxist rebels intent on toppling Colombian President Álvaro Uribe, Washington's closest ally in a turbulent region.
Now, based on documents and witness testimony, Chávez is facing fresh accusations that his government has gone well beyond assisting the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC. Documents seized from two subversive groups, along with information provided by former Colombian guerrillas, suggest that Venezuela facilitated training sessions here between the FARC and ETA, a separatist group in Spain that uses assassinations and bombings in its effort to win independence for the northern Basque region.
The evidence led Judge Eloy Velasco of the National Court in Madrid to level charges of terrorism and conspiracy to commit murder in March against a Chávez government official, Arturo Cubillas, and a dozen members of the FARC and ETA. Spanish authorities want Venezuela to extradite those accused, but so far the Chávez government has not responded to Velasco's international warrant.
The latest revelations, largely based on information collected by Spanish investigators in Colombia, Venezuela and France, prompted Arturo Valenzuela, the State Department's assistant secretary for Western Hemisphere affairs, to declare in a congressional hearing in March that the Obama administration is "extremely concerned" by the allegations.
Danny Glover and Sean Penn were unavailable for comment.
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Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 6:05:28am |
re: #591 Obdicut
I bet it was a brilliant post, too, amusingly insouciant, peppered with a choice selection of glittering phrases and insightful, groundbreaking asides.
Nope, something about 4chan.
:P
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 6:06:48am |
Morning everyone. Somehow I made it into work after last night's celebration.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:07:00am |
re: #588 Obdicut
Yes, the Executive letting the Legislative branch write legislation is clearly an abdication of responsibility.
/
Can you give an example of Obama abandoning an actual responsibility of the president?
I think we have a communication error and I can see why. My first post concerning this issue was a bit vague. My intent was to say that I am disappointed in his lack of leadership and he abdicated his responsibility of leading his party in favor of letting Pelosi and Reid run the show. I'm not trying to say he adbicated his responsibility as President, only that he has failed to show real leadership and to me, that is sad. I was hoping he would cut through the partisan BS and really lead since his presidency was so historic.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, May 20, 2010 6:08:08am |
re: #589 Varek Raith
Good grief, I'm in the middle of writing a post then, BAM, internet connection goes bye-bye.
Meanwhile, off in the interwebs, a network administrator suddenly and mysteriously chokes to death...
/ ;)
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Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 6:10:38am |
Speaking of ISPs *COMCAST!!!*, I'm proud to say that this happened in my city.
XD
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_RememberTonyC Thu, May 20, 2010 6:12:29am |
If the GOP expects to win back the White House in 2012, the next few months are critical for them. With the rise of the crazies, someone on the political right has to go all "Buckley" on them and clean up the party.
Mitt Romney can do it, but he better bring it SOON or it will be too late. He can carve out a moderate right position and tell the country that the GOP rejects certain Paulian positions and explain exactly which ones. By going at "The Pauls," he avoids insulting the "good" tea party participants, of which there are many. He seems like one of the few national GOPers with any real gravitas.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, May 20, 2010 6:12:48am |
re: #597 Varek Raith
Speaking of ISPs *COMCAST!!!*, I'm proud to say that this happened in my city.
XD
I would have blown a gasket.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 6:13:25am |
Happy Draw Mohammed Day everyone!
Pakistan blocks YouTube over unIslamic content
ISLAMABAD — The Pakistani government blocked access to YouTube on Thursday because of "sacrilegious" content in a growing Internet crackdown against sites deemed offensive to the country's majority Muslim population.
The move against the video-sharing website came a day after the government blocked access to Facebook amid anger over a page on the social networking site that encourages users to post images of Islam's Prophet Muhammad. Islam prohibits any images of the prophet.
The Pakistan Telecommunications Authority did not point to specific material on YouTube that prompted it to block the site, only citing "growing sacrilegious contents." The government acted against both Facebook and YouTube after it failed to persuade the websites to remove the "derogatory material," the regulatory body said in a statement.
It welcomed representatives from the two websites to contact the Pakistani government to resolve the dispute in a way that "ensures religious harmony and respect."
The regulatory body said it has blocked more than 450 Internet links containing offensive material, but it is unclear how many of the links were blocked in the last two days.
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Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 6:14:00am |
re: #595 Jetpilot1101
I think he's struggled with the legislative branch, sure, but it's pretty damn blithe to simply say that he's abdicated all leadership. It's such a subjective charge.
But moreover, he wasn't elected to lead the party. He was elected to be president of everyone, Democrats and Republicans and Tea Partiers alike. In many ways, he's hewing to the moderate and the middle costs him Democratic support. That's fine with me.
I also do not think that the rest of the world had lost respect for him in light of internal Democratic party politics, either. That would be rather odd.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 6:14:13am |
re: #597 Varek Raith
Speaking of ISPs *COMCAST!!!*, I'm proud to say that this happened in my city.
XD
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_RememberTonyC Thu, May 20, 2010 6:14:38am |
behead those who look forward to a good laugh
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Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 6:15:36am |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 6:16:15am |
Ya gotta love it when Mexico's leaders show up on CNN to deny any suggestion that the illegal immigration problem is in good part the result of Mexico's own drug-infested lawless cesspool of corruption.
Such hypocrisy and chutzpah.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, May 20, 2010 6:17:37am |
re: #587 Jetpilot1101
The healthcare bill is the most glaring example. I wish he had stated what he wanted and told his supermajority in both houses to get it done. Instead, he let them write the bill and provided very little guidance. He is the president and he should lead his party, not let Pelosi and Reid drive the ship.
I'm actually more or less in agreement.
The momentum in the wake of the 2008 election was enormous. To have that sort of momentum, plus huge majorities in both Houses of Congress, and the public enthusiasm that comes with a historic presidency, should have led to sweeping reforms. A really strong leader could have turned 2009 into a year like none other in terms of reform and change in the stagnant systems that have plagued this great nation for too long. Instead, a year of too much caution allowed the nattering nabobs of negativism and a hostile cult of opposition to dictate terms and frame the debate far too much, when he could have used the bully pulpit of the presidency to promote his agenda and call out the memes of the opposition for the vapid trivialities they were.
I appreciate Obama's measured approach and willingness to think his problems through and second-guess himself, don't get me wrong. But he squandered the enormous momentum in the wake of his election for a full year at least.
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Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 6:18:28am |
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 6:19:26am |
re: #607 Varek Raith
[Video]
That's about the only Family Guy episode I actually remember watching. >_>
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:20:27am |
re: #606 Renaissance_Man
You said it better than I could. Thank you.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 6:21:36am |
re: #608 laZardo
That's about the only Family Guy episode I actually remember watching. >_>
I have never watched Family Guy.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:23:38am |
Got to run, market opens in 6 minutes. See you all later.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:23:56am |
re: #598 _RememberTonyC
He seems like one of the few national GOPers with any real gravitas.
but ,, But ,, BUT , if he gets in, he'll mandate that we all have, like , 7 wives and shit!!
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 6:24:17am |
re: #611 pingjockey
Good Morning. Woke up to a Meg Whitman commercial. Need coffee!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 6:24:20am |
Gulf oil spill leak now pegged at 95,000 barrels a day
WASHINGTON — The latest video footage of the leaking Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico show that oil is escaping at the rate of 95,000 barrels — 4 million gallons — a day, nearly 20 times greater than the 5,000 barrel a day estimate BP and government scientists have been citing for nearly three weeks, an engineering professor told a congressional hearing Wednesday.
The figure of 5,000 barrels a day or 210,000 gallons that BP and the federal government have been using for weeks is based on satellite observations of the surface. But NASA’s best satellite-based instruments can’t see deep into the waters of the Gulf, where much of the oil from the gusher 5,000 feet below the surface seems to be floating.
Ugh!
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 6:25:21am |
re: #614 Rightwingconspirator
Good Morning. Woke up to a Meg Whitman commercial. Need coffee!
Glad you're here, I still need help with the ballot. D:
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:27:12am |
Why in the hell would anybody want to be gov of a state whose deficit is more than some countries gdp?
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prairiefire Thu, May 20, 2010 6:27:20am |
re: #598 _RememberTonyC
If the GOP expects to win back the White House in 2012, the next few months are critical for them. With the rise of the crazies, someone on the political right has to go all "Buckley" on them and clean up the party.
Mitt Romney can do it, but he better bring it SOON or it will be too late. He can carve out a moderate right position and tell the country that the GOP rejects certain Paulian positions and explain exactly which ones. By going at "The Pauls," he avoids insulting the "good" tea party participants, of which there are many. He seems like one of the few national GOPers with any real gravitas.
Do you really think Mr. Romney has the stones to do that?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 6:27:33am |
re: #617 pingjockey
Yes indeed. The 8 karat golden state. :)
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:29:01am |
re: #620 Rightwingconspirator
I see that someone on the AZ power commission (?) and the mayor of LA have got into a pissing contest over AZs immigration bill. Political theatre of the absurd.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 6:29:37am |
re: #616 laZardo
Absentee voters rock! Good for you. I voted for Arnold like that the first time around.
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:30:23am |
re: #619 prairiefire
Just my 2 cents, I don't think there is anyone in the GOP with enough pull/power whatever to reign in the nutbars right now. It is sad.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 6:31:03am |
re: #621 pingjockey
If half the bullshit energy was put to the wires, we would have an energy surplus.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:31:13am |
re: #606 Renaissance_Man
I appreciate Obama's measured approach and willingness to think his problems through and second-guess himself
The problem as I see it isn't the second guessing
it's the third, fourth. fifth,,,,,, etc etc
How many months before a decision was made re: troop surge in Afghan
How many months before a decision on what venue to try KSM in
How many months before a decision on the GITMO detainees destination post GITMOS closure
There are more examples, but I've been awake for 27 hours now (the last 11 1/2 at work) and my brain is fried
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:32:02am |
re: #619 prairiefire
Do you really think Mr. Romney has the stones to do that?
If theres something that Romney lacks it is NOT stones
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:32:08am |
re: #624 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. Convert all the bloviating to wind energy.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 6:34:14am |
re: #622 Rightwingconspirator
Absentee voters rock! Good for you. I voted for Arnold like that the first time around.
Thankee, but I was only 17 in '04.
Anyhoo, as I've mentioned before I'm still registered Republican and I want to at least try to kick out the Tea Party before I go Independent/Green...only I'm not sure which candidates are Tea Partiers. >_>
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:34:58am |
Ancient Jimmy Stewart movie on TCM. He's a middie at the naval academy.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:36:01am |
re: #628 laZardo
Thankee, but I was only 17 in '04.
Anyhoo, as I've mentioned before I'm still registered Republican and I want to at least try to kick out the Tea Party before I go Independent/Green...only I'm not sure which candidates are Tea Partiers. >_>
17 in '04? That makes you what now, 23??
I have things in my freezer older than that!
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Liberal Classic Thu, May 20, 2010 6:36:04am |
re: #606 Renaissance_Man
I'm actually more or less in agreement.
The momentum in the wake of the 2008 election was enormous. To have that sort of momentum, plus huge majorities in both Houses of Congress, and the public enthusiasm that comes with a historic presidency, should have led to sweeping reforms. A really strong leader could have turned 2009 into a year like none other in terms of reform and change in the stagnant systems that have plagued this great nation for too long. Instead, a year of too much caution allowed the nattering nabobs of negativism and a hostile cult of opposition to dictate terms and frame the debate far too much, when he could have used the bully pulpit of the presidency to promote his agenda and call out the memes of the opposition for the vapid trivialities they were.
I appreciate Obama's measured approach and willingness to think his problems through and second-guess himself, don't get me wrong. But he squandered the enormous momentum in the wake of his election for a full year at least.
I appreciate measured approaches, and am skeptical of sweeping reforms brought in by enormous public momentum. Opposition is not always vapid or trivial, and this is true coming from the Ds or Rs.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 6:36:33am |
re: #628 laZardo
Have you seen my posts about that? The moderate Rep. Senate cand. got the nod from Sarah Palin, but I suspect the TP will support any Republican over almost any Dem. Now by contemporary definition nearly all Californians GOPers are RINO's.
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:36:39am |
re: #628 laZardo
You're gonna have to do research. I've already started here in WA state. I won't go green or dem. Don't know what to do yet.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 6:36:49am |
re: #630 sattv4u2
17 in '04? That makes you what now, 23??
In July.
/polishes Youngest Active Lizard tiara
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:37:35am |
re: #630 sattv4u2
I have t-shirts older than that. Come to think of it my dress blues are 15!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 20, 2010 6:38:21am |
re: #624 Rightwingconspirator
If half the bullshit energy was put to the wires, we would have an energy surplus.
The mayor of LA is engaging in Political Theatre. By going after AZ, he "shows he cares" about Latino issues. Quotes used because so much of that sort of thing is staged outrage.
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 6:38:39am |
re: #632 Rightwingconspirator
Have you seen my posts about that? The moderate Rep. Senate cand. got the nod from Sarah Palin, but I suspect the TP will support any Republican over almost any Dem. Now by contemporary definition nearly all Californians GOPers are RINO's.
Not that I recall, sorry. ):
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 6:40:46am |
re: #610 NJDhockeyfan
Then I would say that is because you suck.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 6:41:22am |
re: #637 laZardo
Okay I have some of this on my LGF Page, But as I see it Carly Fiorina is the most moderate, Tom Campbell is the old hand conservative (fiscal not social) and Chuck DeVore is the far right guy. Carly got the Sarah Palin endorsement which I assume is the TP nod.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:41:29am |
re: #636 Dark_Falcon
The mayor of LA is engaging in Political Theatre. By going after AZ, he "shows he cares" about Latino issues. Quotes used because so much of that sort of thing is staged outrage.
It's not just the mayor. Have the LA Times put their money where their mouths are
Are they telling their sports reporters to NOT go to Phoenix for the next several days covering the Lakers in the playoffs (thereby "boycotting" Arizona hotels, restaurants, businesses, etc)?
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:42:55am |
re: #639 Rightwingconspirator
Okay I have some of this on my LGF Page, But as I see it Carly Fiorina is the most moderate, Tom Campbell is the old hand conservative (fiscal not social) and Chuck DeVore is the far right guy. Carly got the Sarah Palin endorsement which I assume is the TP nod.
Carly got the Palin nod because of Carlys support of McCain/ Palin in 08
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 6:43:11am |
Anyone see the new Olympics mascots revealed in London today?
The two metallic characters, named Wenlock and Mandeville, were unveiled on Wednesday night after a rigorous 18-month design process involving 40 focus groups.
Apparently hewn from the “last drops of steel” left over from constructing the final support girder of the Olympic Stadium, the one-eyed creatures are intended to help young people relate to the Games.
But branding experts last night called them “a calamity” and accused Olympic bosses of wasting thousands of pounds on their creation.
Stephen Bayley, the prominent design critic, said: “What is it about these Games which seems to drive the organisers into the embrace of this kind of patronising, cretinous infantilism? Why can’t we have something that makes us sing with pride, instead of these appalling computerised Smurfs for the iPhone generation?
“If the Games are going to be remembered by their art then we can declare them a calamitous failure already.”
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garhighway Thu, May 20, 2010 6:43:29am |
re: #588 Obdicut
Yes, the Executive letting the Legislative branch write legislation is clearly an abdication of responsibility.
/
Can you give an example of Obama abandoning an actual responsibility of the president?
Separation of powers is a bitch.
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Locker Thu, May 20, 2010 6:43:29am |
re: #622 Rightwingconspirator
Absentee voters rock! Good for you. I voted for Arnold like that the first time around.
I can't think of a single reason not to be a permanent absentee voter in California. It gives extra options without taking any away. You can still vote at the polling place, you can fill out your absentee ballot and drop it at the polling place or mail it in.
My wife and I both use this method and we love it.
(Just for the record... fuck meg whitman)
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laZardo Thu, May 20, 2010 6:43:47am |
re: #636 Dark_Falcon
Speaking of Arizona political theater (and I think I've posted this before...)
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Liberal Classic Thu, May 20, 2010 6:44:45am |
re: #643 NJDhockeyfan
Anyone see the new Olympics mascots revealed in London today?
I nominate Kang and Kodos!
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 20, 2010 6:45:10am |
This morning tadpole count is not good. Still only 2-3 visible and they're not very mobile. No end in sight for the cold rainy weather.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 6:46:00am |
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:46:05am |
re: #648 Killgore Trout
Well crap. We are at 50 degrees and it looks more rain here on the not so dry side.
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prairiefire Thu, May 20, 2010 6:46:53am |
re: #648 Killgore Trout
This morning tadpole count is not good. Still only 2-3 visible and they're not very mobile. No end in sight for the cold rainy weather.
Maybe some burrowed into the mud?
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 6:47:01am |
But Benitez doesn't own a restaurant. She owns the Shades of Love lingerie store on West Bitters road.
Shades of Love sells racy lingerie, high heel shoes, adult toys and items meant to enhance a couple's sex life. However, some of those items are edible. That's why the health department ruled the store needed a food permit.
The permit costs about $230 a year. It also means the store is subject to regular health inspections.
Beneitez says, "Everything is sold as novelty. Everything in the box says 'novelty item' only... It's not something you sit down and actually eat. It's more for licking and tasting. Edible? No. It's not going to fill you up."
SNIP
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:47:03am |
re: #651 pingjockey
Well crap. We are at 50 degrees and it looks more rain here on the not so dry side.
dammittalltohell
Low 80's here,, sunny ,, low humidity!
damn!
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 6:47:09am |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 20, 2010 6:47:42am |
re: #642 sattv4u2
Carly got the Palin nod because of Carlys support of McCain/ Palin in 08
That's likely. Palin does understand the importance of repaying support. Fiorina supported her, now it's her turn to at least endorse Fiorina.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 20, 2010 6:48:05am |
And on that note, the long drive home (followed by blissful sleep) awaits
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 6:49:32am |
re: #653 MandyManners
Does she get to post a big "A" in the window?
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garhighway Thu, May 20, 2010 6:50:02am |
re: #598 _RememberTonyC
If the GOP expects to win back the White House in 2012, the next few months are critical for them. With the rise of the crazies, someone on the political right has to go all "Buckley" on them and clean up the party.
Mitt Romney can do it, but he better bring it SOON or it will be too late. He can carve out a moderate right position and tell the country that the GOP rejects certain Paulian positions and explain exactly which ones. By going at "The Pauls," he avoids insulting the "good" tea party participants, of which there are many. He seems like one of the few national GOPers with any real gravitas.
Romney has already demonstrated quite clearly that his core principle is getting Romney elected. Compare his platform and conduct as Mass Gov to his platform as GOP primary contender and it's like you are looking at two different guys.
That being the case, he will allow the wind to blow him in whatever direction he thinks is most popular for the particular electorate he is in front of at the moment. Given the way the GOP primary electorate is currently behaving, the chance that he'll buck the trend with some sort of principled stand is zero.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 6:50:15am |
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 6:50:28am |
"We are very disappointed with the Pakistani courts' decision to block Facebook without warning, and suspect our users there feel the same way," Facebook said.
"We are analysing the situation and the legal considerations, and will take appropriate action, which may include making this content inaccessible to users in Pakistan," it said.
Pakistan blocked access to Facebook on a court order over a competition created by a Facebook user who set up a page called "Draw Mohammed Day", inviting people to send in caricatures of the Muslim prophet on May 20.
HASSAN CHOP
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:51:28am |
re: #661 NJDhockeyfan
That'll work. Looks to me like they'd scare the hell out of little kids.
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 6:52:08am |
Access to the social network Facebook has also been barred as part of a crackdown on websites seen to be hosting un-Islamic content.
On Wednesday a Pakistani court ordered Facebook to be blocked because of a page inviting people to draw caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
Some Wikipedia pages are also now being restricted, latest reports say.
Correspondents say it remains to be seen how successful the new bans will be in Pakistan and whether citizens find a way round them.
SNIP
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 6:53:37am |
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pingjockey Thu, May 20, 2010 6:53:45am |
re: #662 MandyManners
Insult the RoP and I'll cut yer frikkin' head off!
On that note, make lunch for little man and off to work.
Y'all have a scaly day!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 6:54:39am |
re: #666 pingjockey
Insult the RoP and I'll cut yer frikkin' head off!
If you call us violent, we'll murder you!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 20, 2010 6:54:51am |
re: #653 MandyManners
Probably a correct ruling. if you're selling stuff that can be ingested, you should get a food permit. I'm going to side with the regulators on this one.
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Locker Thu, May 20, 2010 6:54:55am |
re: #666 pingjockey
Insult the RoP and I'll cut yer frikkin' head off!
On that note, make lunch for little man and off to work.
Y'all have a scaly day!
Peace brother. Run silent, run deep.
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 6:55:18am |
The family was seized along with another four people in the northern region of Saada by a group affiliated to al-Qa'ida.
SNIP
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Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 6:56:35am |
re: #668 Dark_Falcon
Edible panties can probably get moldy too.
Yech.
I don't like combining food and sex. That's one fetish that's always been weird to me.
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 6:57:00am |
During the funerals, greater mayhem erupted. In surrounding towns and villages some 3,000 Muslims broke into Coptic properties, agricultural plots, and businesses, looting and setting fires to shops. Across the country churches were burned. It took Egypt's police three days to show up and six weeks to arrest a single culprit.
As it has become customary, the government described the attack as ''an individual incident'', another dispute among villagers. The phrase has become so habitual in describing attacks on Christians over the past 40 years, it is used as a practical joke.
SNIP
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 20, 2010 6:57:20am |
re: #665 NJDhockeyfan
Moderate Hezbollah? That's like looking for unicorns, you're never going to find them.
BBL
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garhighway Thu, May 20, 2010 6:57:30am |
I just finished watching the video up top. You have to give her points for fairness: Maddow gave Paul about 10 different chances to say that he would not give Woolworth's the right to return to a "White's Only" lunch counter (although she did confuse Woolworth's with Walgreen's a couple of times) and he studiously refused to take the offered lifeline.
He seems to think this issue is a fake one and will go away. I hope he is wrong. I hope that not for partisan reasons, but because I thought we had reached a societal consensus that private property rights do NOT trump civil rights, and he seems to want to roll that back. I hope he fails.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 6:57:30am |
And now for something completely different, Marion Barry Wearing a Cape!
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 6:58:29am |
The issue began with attorney Nabil al-Wahsh, who filed a lawsuit in an Egyptian lower court last year on the grounds that “Egyptian nationality law warns against marriage to anyone characterized as Zionist.” Thousands of Egyptians, including many who lived in Iraq and returned after the 1990 Gulf War, moved to Israel in search of work and married Israeli women.
SNIP
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 6:59:12am |
re: #675 Mad Al-Jaffee
And now for something completely different, Marion Barry Wearing a Cape!
Has he been hittin' the pipe again?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 7:01:04am |
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MrSilverDragon Thu, May 20, 2010 7:03:23am |
Mornin', y'all. No wings and no beer make MrSD go crazy, and no coffee makes MrSD lethargic. It must be Thursday.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, May 20, 2010 7:03:28am |
re: #631 Liberal Classic
I appreciate measured approaches, and am skeptical of sweeping reforms brought in by enormous public momentum. Opposition is not always vapid or trivial, and this is true coming from the Ds or Rs.
No, it's not. However, when it is vapid and trivial, as it has almost entirely been in recent history, I see no problem with calling it what it is and refusing to take it seriously. And just as opposition is not always vapid and trivial, sweeping reforms are not always populist and reactionary.
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:03:42am |
Britain will not deport a suspected terrorist because he might be killed in Pakistan but, they'll deport a lesbian who WILL be killed in Iran.
Unfortunately for Kiana Firouz the film is not make-believe. It is based on her life. The Home Office has denied her asylum and she now faces the prospect of deportation to Iran followed by flogging, execution or both.
"Definitely she will be killed," says Ramin Goudarzi Nejad, the London-based director of Cul-de-Sac.
"She would be arrested ... She would be tortured. She could face execution not for being a lesbian but for embarrassing the regime," said Paul Canning, editor of the website LGBT Asylum News.
"She will be in incredible danger, not only because she's clearly gay but because the film does not show the Iranian authorities in a good light. They will probably seek to make an example of her," said one of her legal representatives.
SNIP
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 7:04:22am |
Video of John Brennan referring to Jerusalem as “Al-Quds”…
| 685 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 7:04:40am |
re: #683 MandyManners
But there are NO homosexuals in Iran!
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Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 7:05:23am |
re: #683 MandyManners
Britain will not deport a suspected terrorist because he might be killed in Pakistan but, they'll deport a lesbian who WILL be killed in Iran.
seriously FUCK YOU Britain.
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:06:09am |
re: #683 MandyManners
Abid Naseer, 24, was one of 12 men — ten of them Pakistanis on student visas — arrested last year during counter-terrorism raids in Manchester and Liverpool. A judge rejected his claims of innocence yesterday, describing him as “an al-Qaeda operative who posed and still poses a serious threat to the national security of the United Kingdom”.
Mr Justice Mitting said that although it was “conducive to the public good that he should be deported” this was not possible because of the risk that he would suffer torture at the hands of Pakistan’s notorious Inter-Services Intelligence Agency (ISI).
SNIP
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MrSilverDragon Thu, May 20, 2010 7:08:17am |
re: #683 MandyManners
Britain will not deport a suspected terrorist because he might be killed in Pakistan but, they'll deport a lesbian who WILL be killed in Iran.
That scenario would make an interesting movie.
/ (awaits the virtual smackdown)
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Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 7:09:02am |
re: #684 NJDhockeyfan
Video of John Brennan referring to Jerusalem as “Al-Quds”…
[Video]
...where 3 great faiths come together? What a zealot!
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:11:22am |
re: #687 MandyManners
Naseer was there on a student visa.
Unveiling the full text of the coalition agreement between his Conservative party and Liberal Democrats today, Prime Minister Cameron said the government will introduce "new measures to minimise abuse of the immigration system, for example via student routes, and will tackle human trafficking as a priority."
Among the new measures to minimize abuse of the student visa system is likely to be the introduction of bonds before coming here to study at British institutions. The bond amount is proposed to be returned when the non-EU students leave after completing studies.
SNIP
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prairiefire Thu, May 20, 2010 7:11:57am |
re: #682 Renaissance_Man
I think the first year as President of the US is a big challenge. A whole management apparatus needs to be put into place. Plus, in 2009 there were incredible challenges because of the financial crises our nation was in. Who was the US President in 2008?
| 693 |
Killgore Trout Thu, May 20, 2010 7:12:36am |
Florida mosque bombed; FBI calls for help; national media mute
On May 10th, a middle-aged man carried a can of gasoline and a pipe bomb into the Jacksonville Islamic Center of Northeast Florida during evening prayers and detonated it. Fortunately, there were no injuries to people, though the bomb did damage property.
The surveillance video above gives a fairly decent picture of this man, who is clearly white, middle-aged, and on a mission.
The local news is all over it, of course. WOKV.com reports the FBI investigating it as a hate crime and possible domestic terrorism.
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:15:58am |
With the US and allied forces battling militants in Afghanistan and Iraq, the contacts are part of a broader exploration of ways to involve militant groups in resolving conflict. They come amid renewed debate about the effectiveness of sanctioning militant groups by putting them on terrorist watch lists and freezing whatever assets authorities can identify.
They also coincide with a discussion in Europe about ways to draw Hamas into peace talks with Israel while continuing to insist that it recognize Israel, denounce terrorism and accept past Palestinian-Israeli agreements.
The peace quartet, which groups the United States, the European Union, the United Nations and Russia in efforts to achieve a Middle East peace, has insisted Hamas meet those conditions before it can participate in a peace process.
In the most recent US contact with Hamas, the State Department gave a rare green light to US diplomat Rachel I. Schneller, to publicly debate Osama Hamdan, the Hamas representative in Lebanon who often acts as the group's spokesman, during a forum in Doha organized by the state-run Qatar Foundation.
SNIP
| 697 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 7:18:45am |
Obama Turns His Back On the Press
At a ceremony to sign a bill promoting press freedom around the world on Monday, President Obama refused to take questions from reporters. “I’m not doing a press conference today,” he told Chip Reid of CBS News, “but we’ll be seeing you guys during the course of the week.”
So when the president hosted a “news conference” in the Rose Garden with the president of Mexico on Wednesday, Mr. Reid thought maybe this time Mr. Obama would take questions. Instead, Mr. Obama allowed only a single question from the American news media, calling on a reporter from the New York-based Univision, making it unlikely that he would be asked about Tuesday’s anti-incumbent election results.
Sure enough, Mr. Obama was asked about the Arizona law aimed at stopping illegal immigrants, a law he had already denounced in his opening remarks and was happy to denounce again in response to the question. He did not have to offer his thoughts on the loss of an ally, Senator Arlen Specter, in Pennsylvania’s Democratic primary, or on any other topic.
As the event ended and Mr. Obama swiveled to head back into the Oval Office, Mr. Reid tried again and shouted out a question about the elections.
Mr. Obama ignored him. Maybe he meant later in course of the week.
| 698 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:19:14am |
re: #693 Killgore Trout
Florida mosque bombed; FBI calls for help; national media mute
Yeah, i saw it on the local news. The surveillance video is a little grainy, but this guy looked like a redneck on a mission...
| 700 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:20:03am |
The group was created in 2006 to find ways to bridge the growing divide between Muslim and Western societies – a goal wholeheartedly embraced by President Barack Obama, who has redirected American foreign policy in pursuit of the same goal.
SNIP
However, the Alliance has been anything but cooperative when it comes to improving understanding of issues relating to the security of Israel's and United States' civilians.
The group claimed in its first report in 2006 that global tensions were driven primarily by the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. The same report referred to “a perception among Muslim societies of unjust aggression stemming from the West” in a discussion relating to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States by the international Al Qaeda terrorist group.
SNIP
At the time, the U.S. boycotted the group, expressing concerns that it would become a forum for bashing both Israel and the United States, in a manner similar to that of the U.N. Human Rights Council.
SNIP
Since his speech from Cairo last June, Obama has reached out to Iran and Syria, restoring full diplomatic relations with Damascus and returning an ambassador to the Syrian capital. The U.S. has also joined the anti-Israel U.N. Human Rights Commission. Both these moves are reversals of prior Bush administration decisions.
| 701 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:20:37am |
| 702 |
Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 7:20:45am |
| 703 |
goddamnedfrank Thu, May 20, 2010 7:20:45am |
How does allowing business owners the discretion to deny transactions on the basis of racial spite help the public economy?
Why should a public health inspector inspect a business and put the State's certification of that business's compliance with public food safety laws if some of the people (minorities) who pay that inspector's salary are to be arbitrarily denied the benefit of his work by some racist restauranteur?
Why should doctors and hospitals that deny or differentiate service based on skin color retain their State medical board certifications?
Why should private airlines be allowed to fly into or out of FAA operated airports and airspace?
Why should the public police agencies enforce the private racist business owner's right to incite a race riot?
Why should the public fire department break it's ass trying to put out the ensuing flames?
I don't think Rand has thought his cunning plan all the way through.
| 704 |
Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 7:22:22am |
re: #703 goddamnedfrank
I don't think Rand has thought his cunning plan all the way through.
Rand, and the entire Tea Party movement.
| 705 |
prairiefire Thu, May 20, 2010 7:23:49am |
Ms Maddow's interview with Rand Paul has everyone talking this morning! It is all the buzz on the blogs.
| 707 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:25:49am |
The U.S. has signed on to a U.N. project whose stated aim is to build bridges between Islam and the West, but critics worry it is linked to an agenda that restricts free expression, especially when it comes to media coverage viewed as critical towards Islam.
State Department spokesman Philip Crowley announced Thursday that the U.S. has joined 119 countries and organizations in a “Group of Friends” supporting the Alliance of Civilizations (AoC), and as such will take part in the AoC’s third global forum in Brazil in late May.
SNIP
Among factors identified as contributing to difficulties between Islam and the West, the report highlighted “Israel’s continuing occupation of Palestinian and other Arab territories and the unresolved status of Jerusalem.”
The report acknowledged that terrorism, “committed by radical groups on the fringes of Muslim societies,” was a factor, but attributed it to Western policies and repression in the Islamic world, not to Islamist ideology.
“In evaluating the relations between Western and Muslim societies it is important to note that Islamist activism does not necessarily produce Islamist militancy within societies and the latter does not automatically lead to violent confrontation with the West,” it said.
“It is the invasion of certain Muslim countries by Western military forces and their continued presence in these countries, combined with the suppression of political movements in the Muslim world, that are among the reasons for violent manifestations.”
In its recommendations section, the report suggested that media coverage of Islam-Western relations be monitored, with a view “to reward[ing] efforts that aim to improve coverage of relations between Muslim and Western societies.”
As a result of the report’s recommendations about media coverage, the AoC has set up a “rapid response media mechanism,” which aims to provide media with “an online resource of experts and analysts who can make a positive contribution to debates on sensitive cross-cultural issues.”
The attempts to guide media coverage echo a campaign by the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), the bloc of Islamic states at the U.N., to monitor and counter “Islamophobia” in the media. The OIC is also a member of the AoC’s “Group of Friends.”
SNIP
Hat-tip to NJDhockeyfan
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:26:19am |
re: #707 MandyManners
Oops. Pardon the screwed-up formatting.
| 709 |
Renaissance_Man Thu, May 20, 2010 7:29:05am |
re: #692 prairiefire
I think the first year as President of the US is a big challenge. A whole management apparatus needs to be put into place. Plus, in 2009 there were incredible challenges because of the financial crises our nation was in. Who was the US President in 2008?
I don't really get what you're asking me.
| 711 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 7:31:45am |
re: #702 Vambo
why do you care? You hate everything he says anyway!
He's been pissing off the press for months. Looks like the NYT is getting there too. When he loses the MSM, he's really fucked.
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:32:11am |
Khalid Ouazzani, a Moroccan-born naturalized U.S. citizen, pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges, admitting that he sent $23,500 to al-Qaida through a bank in the United Arab Emirates between August 2007 and summer 2008.
Ouazzani, 32, also admitted in the plea hearing that in June 2008, he swore to an unnamed co-conspirator an oath of allegiance to the terrorist organization.
SNIP
He also pleaded guilty to money laundering and bank fraud in a previously indicted scheme to steal more than $174,000 from a bank using false and fraudulent financial information.
He also acknowledged that he and co-conspirators not identified in the charges discussed fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq or Somalia as another way to support Al Qaeda.
The conspirators also “used various techniques to disguise their communications about their plans and assistance to support” al-Qaida, according to court records.
SNIP
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Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 7:32:50am |
*Grumbles*
*Targets orbital turbolaser array at Comcast HQ*
*Laughs manically*
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MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:33:35am |
re: #711 NJDhockeyfan
He's been pissing off the press for months. Looks like the NYT is getting there too. When he loses the MSM, he's really fucked.
I once had a link to another NYT story from many months ago about BHO's utter lack of press conferences. But, something fucked up in my ISP this morning and I've lost about 1,700 links. I'm pissed.
| 716 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:34:24am |
re: #711 NJDhockeyfan
He's been pissing off the press for months. Looks like the NYT is getting there too. When he loses the MSM, he's really fucked.
I posted that link I yesterday afternoon in response to one from tradewind.
| 717 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:35:14am |
re: #713 MandyManners
heh. i posted that one yesterday. (i can't reach that spot on my back...would you pat it for me?)
Prairiefire - did you see that story yet?
| 718 |
Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 7:35:21am |
uh, for anyone still outraged over Dick Blumenthal's big lie...
Linda McMahon lied on her state BOE application (4/4/10)
[Link: northhavenway.blogspot.com...]
Linda McMahon resigned last week from the State Board of Education, saying that newly issued restrictions on board members' political activities could cause legal complications as she runs for the Republican U.S. Senate nomination. But she still may encounter complications - political ones - because of some questionable answers that she gave in January of 2009 on a questionnaire that she filled out for Gov. M. Jodi Rell's office when the governor was poised to nominate her to the board.
and... Linda McMahon, Lobbyist
In her bid for the U.S. Senate, Linda McMahon has taken pains to depict herself as an outsider -- someone who would arrive in the nation's capital unburdened by special interests and corporate cash. That's the message McMahon delivers in her latest TV ad, which depicts suited men and women on cell phones and in trenchcoats circling each other in a revolving door, as she excoriates the 'politicians, insiders (and) special interests' who have 'run Washington' for years. But the former wrestling impresario is no stranger to the ways of Congress. Over the past nine years, McMahon's family business, Stamford-based World Wrestling Entertainment, spent just over $1 million lobbying the House, Senate and federal agencies, according to disclosure forms filed with Congress. Meanwhile, the company last year paid more than $50,000 to Hartford-based Sullivan & LeShane to lobby Gov. M. Jodi Rell's administration and the state legislature while the WWE worked to secure more than $2 million in film and television production credits. The WWE also has hired lobbyists to push the firm's interests in Canada and New York, according to published reports." (Jennifer A. Dlouhy, "WWE Spent $1M On 'Educating' Politicians In Past Decade," Hearst Newspapers, 4/8/10)
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Ericus58 Thu, May 20, 2010 7:35:29am |
re: #633 pingjockey
You're gonna have to do research. I've already started here in WA state. I won't go green or dem. Don't know what to do yet.
Rossi
Riechart
McKenna
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 7:35:55am |
re: #715 MandyManners
I once had a link to another NYT story from many months ago about BHO's utter lack of press conferences. But, something fucked up in my ISP this morning and I've lost about 1,700 links. I'm pissed.
Here's a CBS reporter shouting "Any Plans for a Real Press Conference?" to Obama...
The reporters are losing patience.
| 721 |
prairiefire Thu, May 20, 2010 7:36:24am |
re: #709 Renaissance_Man
I don't really get what you're asking me.
I'm asking it as more of a general question in the defense of President Obama. He walked into a presidential crap storm and it is like President Bush was a ghost.
My opinion on President Obama's alleged weaknesses in his first year in office.
Johanthan Alter's book has been interesting, from what I have read:[Link: www.jonathanalter.com...]
| 722 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:37:02am |
For more background on Abdullah al-Faisal, I reprint content from my July 2005 post, "Where do Homegrown British Suicide Bombers Come From? Part II":
Shaykh Abdullah al-Faisal [is] a Jamaican-born Islamic convert and religious leader now serving a lengthy prison sentence for inciting young Muslims to kill Jews and Hindus. Faisal's indoctrination into fundamentalism took place in Saudi Arabia, where he studied at an Islamic university and became a firm devotee of extreme Salafist clerics in the Kingdom. After completing his studies in Saudi Arabia, Faisal later told UK police that "he was sent to the United Kingdom to preach by Sheikh Rajhi"--an apparent reference to the wealthy and powerful Saudi Al-Rajhi family that has been repeatedly accused of supporting international terrorism. Settling in Brixton, al-Faisal regularly surfaced to deliver sermons to his followers at the local town hall--but also traveled and spoke before other audiences in Manchester, Worthing, Bournemouth, Cardiff, Swansea, and Birmingham. According to legal documents filed in his criminal case, each of Faisal's lectures was "attended by 100 people and sometimes [as many as] 500."
SNIP
| 723 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:37:32am |
re: #717 Aceofwhat?
heh. i posted that one yesterday. (i can't reach that spot on my back...would you pat it for me?)
Prairiefire - did you see that story yet?
GMTA.
| 724 |
prairiefire Thu, May 20, 2010 7:37:47am |
re: #717 Aceofwhat?
heh. i posted that one yesterday. (i can't reach that spot on my back...would you pat it for me?)
Prairiefire - did you see that story yet?
No! I will read up on it.
| 725 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:38:27am |
re: #720 NJDhockeyfan
Here's a CBS reporter shouting "Any Plans for a Real Press Conference?" to Obama...
[Video]
The reporters are losing patience.
Among my (hopefully temporary) lost links were several about his treatment of the pess during the campaign.
| 726 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:39:04am |
re: #718 Vambo
uh, for anyone still outraged over Dick Blumenthal's big lie...
Linda McMahon lied on her state BOE application (4/4/10)
[Link: northhavenway.blogspot.com...]
i don't understand...that makes Blumenthal a sweet dude? I thought we weren't into "yeah, but your side did X" as a defense of...well, anything?
McMahon could have a meth lab in an RV and Blumenthal would still be an ass.
| 727 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:39:34am |
I'll probably spend a few hours on the phone with my ISP, talking to Gary in Mumbai or Karachi.
| 728 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, May 20, 2010 7:40:08am |
Wall Street Journal article on Texas SBOE. More quotes proving that Don McLeroy and Cynthia Dunbar long ago hit the bottom of the Stupid Barrel and kept digging, full throttle.
Debate about certain provisions has been intense. For instance, one revision would change what first-graders learn about their civic duty.
The previous standards, a decade old, defined good citizenship as "a belief in justice, truth, equality and responsibility for the common good." The new standards talk about respect for others, personal responsibility, and the importance of voting and of "holding public officials to their word."
Board member Don McLeroy, who leads the most conservative bloc on the board, said that "responsibility for the common good" does not belong in the standards because it is "a liberal notion" that edges toward communist philosophy.
"Most of the great tragedies in the world have been done in the name of humanitarian, utopian ideals," he said.
Students also are required to learn that America's founding documents were influenced by various intellectual traditions, "especially biblical law," and principles laid down by Moses.
The standards also emphasize the superiority of America's free-enterprise system. (The term "capitalism" is no longer being used because it has been tainted, board member Cynthia Dunbar said: "We've all heard the saying 'capitalist pig.'")
I guess they call it the "Holocaust" because "Help-o-caust" doesn't roll off the tongue quite as mellifluously.
| 729 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:41:28am |
By far the biggest group of Moroccans in the Netherlands are of Berber origin, a region in the mountainous north of Morocco. "They will now be forced to give their children a Moroccan-Islamic name," according to Trouw. "Morocco wants to secure the Moroccan identity of its nationals in this way, including the Moroccan Dutch."
The Moroccan government in Rabat sent all embassies and consulates abroad a list of banned name this week. Christian names were already forbidden. "We forbid Berber names because they conflict with the identity and because they open the door to the spread of meaningless names," said Idris Bajdi, a top official in Morocco, in the newspaper.
SNIP
| 730 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:41:32am |
re: #727 MandyManners
I'll probably spend a few hours on the phone with my ISP, talking to Gary in Mumbai or Karachi.
I pay through the nose for Comcast, but i have to admit, i get a very lucid person on the phone when i call. I don't know if it's Lucid, MS or Lucid, India, but they're good.
| 731 |
prairiefire Thu, May 20, 2010 7:41:59am |
re: #713 MandyManners
Wow, with unnamed co-conspirators on the loose. I'm sure they are being monitored. The guy had some serious cash!
| 732 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:43:03am |
The four leading ladies shot for the film in the deserts of the African country - which doubled as Abu Dhabi in the movie - after producers failed to get filming permission from Dubai officials.
But Parker insists that they were lucky they came to Africa for their movie instead to the Middle East - because the production was completely undisturbed in Africa.
SNIP
| 733 |
Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 7:43:04am |
re: #726 Aceofwhat?
i don't understand...that makes Blumenthal a sweet dude? I thought we weren't into "yeah, but your side did X" as a defense of...well, anything?
McMahon could have a meth lab in an RV and Blumenthal would still be an ass.
He is a jackass for what he did, but I still think he is the best candidate.
| 734 |
prairiefire Thu, May 20, 2010 7:43:07am |
re: #726 Aceofwhat?
Blumenthal was smeared by the NYT. The AP reported that he states his service correctly in that same video.
| 735 |
Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 7:44:12am |
| 736 |
Renaissance_Man Thu, May 20, 2010 7:44:14am |
re: #721 prairiefire
I'm asking it as more of a general question in the defense of President Obama. He walked into a presidential crap storm and it is like President Bush was a ghost.
My opinion on President Obama's alleged weaknesses in his first year in office.
Johanthan Alter's book has been interesting, from what I have read:[Link: www.jonathanalter.com...]
I think he's done a pretty decent job, all up. I don't envy the position he started with in 2009 at all. However, I do think the opportunity was there to do so much more, and I think an excessively cautious approach and an unwillingness to directly call out the vapid stupidity of his domestic opposition squandered that opportunity.
| 737 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:45:02am |
re: #728 negativ
Wall Street Journal article on Texas SBOE. More quotes proving that Don McLeroy and Cynthia Dunbar long ago hit the bottom of the Stupid Barrel and kept digging, full throttle.
I guess they call it the "Holocaust" because "Help-o-caust" doesn't roll off the tongue quite as mellifluously.
it's amazing how many people think that the rules for interpersonal conduct and the rules of society need to be carbon copies...
| 738 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 7:45:45am |
re: #734 prairiefire
Blumenthal was smeared by the NYT. The AP reported that he states his service correctly in that same video.
| 739 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:46:27am |
re: #731 prairiefire
Wow, with unnamed co-conspirators on the loose. I'm sure they are being monitored. The guy had some serious cash!
Heh...remind me not to buy a used car in your fair city!
"Sir, what's this button for...never seen this in a Ford..."
"ummm..."
| 740 |
Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 7:46:39am |
re: #734 prairiefire
Blumenthal was smeared by the NYT. The AP reported that he states his service correctly in that same video.
If this is the best scandal that the McMahon campaign can come up with, she's in trouble.
| 741 |
Renaissance_Man Thu, May 20, 2010 7:47:57am |
re: #728 negativ
Wall Street Journal article on Texas SBOE. More quotes proving that Don McLeroy and Cynthia Dunbar long ago hit the bottom of the Stupid Barrel and kept digging, full throttle.
I guess they call it the "Holocaust" because "Help-o-caust" doesn't roll off the tongue quite as mellifluously.
It'd be comical if it weren't so sad. It's amazing how quickly we've moved from 'Liberals are for environmentalism! Environmentalism is bad!' to 'Liberals are for civil rights! Civil rights are bad!' and 'Liberals are for empathy! Empathy is bad!'
I wonder what would happen if 'liberals' came out in favour of, say, curing cancer. Or, better yet, what would happen if 'liberals' came out in favour of lower taxes.
| 742 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 7:48:45am |
re: #728 negativ
Wall Street Journal article on Texas SBOE. More quotes proving that Don McLeroy and Cynthia Dunbar long ago hit the bottom of the Stupid Barrel and kept digging, full throttle.
I guess they call it the "Holocaust" because "Help-o-caust" doesn't roll off the tongue quite as mellifluously.
Lol, what I fool.
Someone should tell him that some of the 10 Commandments are unconstitutional. Watch his head asplode.
XD
| 743 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:48:50am |
re: #734 prairiefire
Blumenthal was smeared by the NYT. The AP reported that he states his service correctly in that same video.
yeah...nope. He admits to having "misspoken" on several occasions, not just this one.
Look, i have an MBA and not a JD...but i've never accidentally spoken about my work or life experience. I'd expect a Harvard Law grad to be at least as erudite as I am. He's a liar.
| 744 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 7:49:38am |
re: #743 Aceofwhat?
yeah...nope. He admits to having "misspoken" on several occasions, not just this one.
Look, i have an MBA and not a JD...but i've never accidentally spoken about my work or life experience. I'd expect a Harvard Law grad to be at least as erudite as I am. He's a liar.
Ace says UNDER HEAVY SNIPER FIRE!!!11!!
| 745 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:49:42am |
Badran noted that Iran's cultivation of fifth columnists in target countries through Hizbullah puts paid to the notion that it will be possible to contain a nuclear Iran. Armed with both nuclear weapons and armed agents in states throughout the region, Iran will be well positioned to bend all regional states to its will.
US security guarantees will be worthless. Living under the threat of the Iranian bomb, neighboring states will be unable to take steps to curb Iranian agents subverting their governments from within their sovereign territory.
For Israel, the threat is obviously more acute. Whereas states like Kuwait and Bahrain will be able to suffer through an Iranian Middle Eastern hegemony, Israel will have no such luxury. Iran has made clear that in an Iranian-ruled Middle East, there will be no room for Israel. And so Israel must act soon to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
But then there is the homefront.
With each passing day, it becomes more and more apparent that as is the case in Kuwait, Bahrain and Egypt, through Hizbullah, Iran has established cells of sympathizers among Israeli Arabs. This means that as Israel prepares to strike Iran, it must minimize Iran's ability to retaliate from fifth column bases inside the country.
SNIP
| 746 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:49:44am |
re: #733 Vambo
He is a jackass for what he did, but I still think he is the best candidate.
that is a fair statement...i don't know if he's the best candidate, it's not my state, but thanks for that.
| 747 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:50:40am |
re: #744 Varek Raith
Ace says UNDER HEAVY SNIPER FIRE!!!11!!
...wait 'till they getta load of my shields...heh
| 748 |
pharmmajor Thu, May 20, 2010 7:52:07am |
Just wanted to wish you all a happy "Everyone Draw Mohammad" Day.
| 749 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 7:52:14am |
Wishing someone didn't do something is not a way to erase what they've done.
| 750 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 7:52:16am |
Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse pleaded guilty in a US federal court on Tuesday to several charges, including hostage-taking and conspiracy.
He faces a minimum 27 years in prison. Sentencing is set for Oct. 19.
Reached by phone in the central Somali town where she lives, Muse’s mother asked President Obama for leniency, saying her son is too young to have been tried as an adult.
“Please, please President Obama, please, American people, please release my son and grant him citizenship to help us,’’ Muse’s mother, Adar Abdirahman Hassan said.
“You live in a safe prosperous country but we live in a chaotic country. With all your power and generosity and kindness, it will be a stain on your name to punish this child and throw him in jail,’’ Hassan said.
Prosecutors say Muse led four pirates who stormed the Maersk Alabama in April 2009 as it carried humanitarian supplies 280 miles off Somalia’s coast. Navy snipers fatally shot three pirates and freed Captain Richard Phillips of Underhill, Vt., to end the standoff.
Muse’s age has been in dispute since the start of the case, with his lawyers insisting last April that he was 15 and should be tried as a juvenile. Prosecutors convinced a judge he was at least 18.
SNIP
| 751 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 7:52:23am |
Well, I see a Comcast truck across the street... Must be his fault my IC is terrible.
| 752 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 7:53:33am |
re: #740 Vambo
If this is the best scandal that the McMahon campaign can come up with, she's in trouble.
Here are just a hand full of the times Blumenthal "misspoke"...
“We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,”
“When we returned, we saw nothing like this,”
“I served during the Vietnam era,” he said. “I remember the taunts, the insults, sometimes even physical abuse.”
“...was met with applause when he spoke about his experience as a Marine sergeant in Vietnam.”
“enlisted in the Marines rather than duck the Vietnam draft.”
“It was a sad moment,” she recalled. “He said, ‘When we came back, we were spat on; we couldn’t wear our uniforms.’
You think this is a innocent mistake on his part?
| 753 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 7:54:24am |
re: #750 MandyManners
To bad we didn't ask for her address on where to return the body.
(I have a "I hate pirates" theme)
(you got to admit, i'm pretty damn consistent with it)
| 754 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 7:55:05am |
| 755 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 7:55:24am |
| 756 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 7:55:38am |
re: #753 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
To bad we didn't ask for her address on where to return the body.
(I have a "I hate pirates" theme)
(you got to admit, i'm pretty damn consistent with it)
Would you like to be XO on my anti-pirate galleon???
| 758 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 7:56:12am |
re: #752 Walter L. Newton
Here are just a hand full of the times Blumenthal "misspoke"...
“We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,”
“When we returned, we saw nothing like this,”
“I served during the Vietnam era,” he said. “I remember the taunts, the insults, sometimes even physical abuse.”
“...was met with applause when he spoke about his experience as a Marine sergeant in Vietnam.”
“enlisted in the Marines rather than duck the Vietnam draft.”
“It was a sad moment,” she recalled. “He said, ‘When we came back, we were spat on; we couldn’t wear our uniforms.’
You think this is a innocent mistake on his part?
Damning, that most certainly is.
| 759 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:56:25am |
re: #753 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
To bad we didn't ask for her address on where to return the body.
(I have a "I hate pirates" theme)
(you got to admit, i'm pretty damn consistent with it)
Maybe her defense is that he didn't really want to be a pirate...he just wanted to...sing...
| 760 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 7:57:00am |
re: #756 Varek Raith
Sure.
Reporter: "Reports said you captured six pirates. Where are they?"
Capt FBV: "Pirates? What pirates?"
| 761 |
middy Thu, May 20, 2010 7:57:25am |
I guess it's always like this now? A few comments at the top about the post and then a complete spamming of links regarding other breaking news that we might want to see?
I don't get it.
Start your own blog.
| 762 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:57:31am |
re: #756 Varek Raith
Would you like to be XO on my anti-pirate galleon???
May i be gunnery sergeant? I like shooting at small, poorly armed and armored targets. The explosions make me giggle...
| 763 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 7:58:02am |
re: #762 Aceofwhat?
May i be gunnery sergeant? I like shooting at small, poorly armed and armored targets. The explosions make me giggle...
Welcome aboard.
| 764 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 7:59:40am |
re: #759 Aceofwhat?
Maybe her defense is that he didn't really want to be a pirate...he just wanted to...sing...
| 765 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 7:59:43am |
re: #761 middy
I guess it's always like this now? A few comments at the top about the post and then a complete spamming of links regarding other breaking news that we might want to see?
I don't get it.
Start your own blog.
1. Feel free to say something about the post at the top. Noone is stopping you.
2. It's the next morning here in Eastern Standard Time. What, the passage of that thing called "night" isn't enough to permit us to wander off-topic?
Pardon me for not following your personal rules...
| 767 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:01:36am |
re: #765 Aceofwhat?
Middy's being a bit of a biddy.
We're pretty A.D.D. Middy. Start the topic back up, and we'll join with you until something shiny...
| 768 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 8:01:44am |
re: #759 Aceofwhat?
Maybe her defense is that he didn't really want to be a pirate...he just wanted to...sing...
We drink and we pillage and we do what we please
We get all that we want for free
We’ll kick your ass
And rape your lass
Somalian pirates we
So with a yo ho ho
And with a yee hee hee
We take to the African sea
We’ll brave the squalls
And bust your balls
Somalian pirates we
We left our homes and we left our mothers
To go on a pillaging spree
We’ll cut off your ears
And break your toes
And make you drink our pee
And if you sail into our waters
You best hear this decree
We’ll take your boat
Set your ass afloat
Somalian pirates we
With a yo ho ho (yo ho ho)
And a tricky lah-tee do (tricky lah-tee do)
We’ll shoot you in the face with glee
Then we’ll cut off your cock
And feed it to a croc
Somalian pirates we
Somalian pirates we
Somalian pirates we
| 769 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:03:17am |
re: #768 Mad Al-Jaffee
standing ovation!
...but be careful, Middy might throw their shoe in your general direction...
| 770 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 8:04:45am |
re: #761 middy
I guess it's always like this now? A few comments at the top about the post and then a complete spamming of links regarding other breaking news that we might want to see?
I don't get it.
Start your own blog.
You are welcome to find another blog of your approval.
| 771 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 20, 2010 8:07:39am |
Time for work. Have a great day my scaly friends!
| 772 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:07:59am |
Come on, Middy. I'll bite. What are you dying to debate that someone hasn't already kicked around upthread or earlier?
| 773 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:08:45am |
Hey, Middy? Go back through the thread. It's been alive for over twelve hours. I imagine everything that can be said has been said.
| 774 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:09:04am |
| 775 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:09:53am |
| 776 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:11:31am |
re: #772 Aceofwhat?
Well, I'm with him in that I wish Mandy would use Charles's nifty tools and keep the thread uncluttered. I wouldn't say "Start your own blog", but massive chunks of blue text are annoying.
I generally subscribe to the Kantian golden rule: What if everyone acted the same way? It'd make threads unreadable. In addition, the sheer number of links means that none of them actually wind up getting discussed.
It's not my blog, so it's not my call. I'm just glad Mandy doesn't continue to spam links in the same way throughout the day.
| 777 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:11:41am |
| 778 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:12:39am |
re: #777 Aceofwhat?
eh...i liked it...they can't say we didn't reach out, despite the initial complaint being hollower than a vampire's twinkie...
That's bad for my fangs.
| 779 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 8:13:03am |
I would rather take a beating than call my ISP to try to fix all my disappearing links. I've saved quite a few on various Word documents but, about 1,000 are still gone.
| 780 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:13:20am |
| 781 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:13:31am |
re: #761 middy
I guess it's always like this now? A few comments at the top about the post and then a complete spamming of links regarding other breaking news that we might want to see?
I don't get it.
Start your own blog.
Guess what jerk... it's ALWAYS like this. And if you don't like it, don't participate. If you have a lot of time on your hand, go do some research on LGF and see if you can recognize a pattern... Charles post a topic, people talk about the topic, a thought by someone brings up some other topic or concept, some people start talking about the other related point, some people get bored and leave the thread, some people get bored with the topic and start talking about something else... and life goes on.
Who the hell are you, the thread police. Bullshit.
| 782 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 8:14:04am |
| 783 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:14:30am |
| 785 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:14:38am |
re: #776 Obdicut
Well, I'm with him in that I wish Mandy would use Charles's nifty tools and keep the thread uncluttered. I wouldn't say "Start your own blog", but massive chunks of blue text are annoying.
I generally subscribe to the Kantian golden rule: What if everyone acted the same way? It'd make threads unreadable. In addition, the sheer number of links means that none of them actually wind up getting discussed.
It's not my blog, so it's not my call. I'm just glad Mandy doesn't continue to spam links in the same way throughout the day.
that is a specific request, and thus much easier to discuss.
"why aren't you guys talking about X, waaah" is a hollow request, especially with "get your own blog".
There are a few posters who provide lots of links in the morning, and a few who do it in the afternoon. They've been doing it longer than i've been here, so i just scroll past the ones i don't want to read.
| 786 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:15:10am |
| 787 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:16:27am |
re: #784 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hate mimes. Discuss.
it was never meant to be a stand-alone technique.
| 788 |
Ericus58 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:16:31am |
re: #776 Obdicut
You only mention this due to your not agreeing with the subject matters involved. Just scroll pass.
| 789 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:16:48am |
re: #785 Aceofwhat?
I like it when they put a little bit in the body then the link... I know whether I want to go there or not.
| 790 |
Locker Thu, May 20, 2010 8:17:04am |
re: #761 middy
I guess it's always like this now? A few comments at the top about the post and then a complete spamming of links regarding other breaking news that we might want to see?
I don't get it.
Start your own blog.
You take heat for this but it's true. Especially from certain people at certain times of day. Discussion is fine, links are fine but daily, repetitive link spam with no thought to content, context or the current discussion is annoying. Especially when Charles put in all that hard work on LGF pages which basically gives you your own blog right on LGF.
| 791 |
middy Thu, May 20, 2010 8:17:43am |
I guess it's ok with Charles so I have no basis for complaints. I just don't have time to wade through 800 posts to get the gist of the conversation about the actual topic at hand.
I guess nobody knows how to IRC anymore.
Carry on.
| 792 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 8:17:46am |
| 793 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 8:18:03am |
The PA TV studio displays a large map of "Palestine" that includes all of Israel. On the map are the words in English: "Explore Your Country," and in Arabic: "My country is so beautiful." The program is broadcast twice weekly.
SNIP
| 795 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:18:52am |
| 796 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:19:09am |
re: #790 Locker
You take heat for this but it's true. Especially from certain people at certain times of day. Discussion is fine, links are fine but daily, repetitive link spam with no thought to content, context or the current discussion is annoying. Especially when Charles put in all that hard work on LGF pages which basically gives you your own blog right on LGF.
if that's your threshold for 'annoying', then i don't envy your waiters, baristas, garbagemen...
less coffee, dude. you don't whine when Killgore is in a linky mood. don't be so partisan.
| 797 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:19:12am |
re: #791 middy
I guess it's ok with Charles so I have no basis for complaints. I just don't have time to wade through 800 posts to get the gist of the conversation about the actual topic at hand.
I guess nobody knows how to IRC anymore.
Carry on.
And I guess you don't know "how to all get along" anymore.
| 798 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:20:32am |
re: #796 Aceofwhat?
if that's your threshold for 'annoying', then i don't envy your waiters, baristas, garbagemen...
less coffee, dude. you don't whine when Killgore is in a linky mood. don't be so partisan.
Up dinged AND highlighted for down right unblemished truth... which makes heads explode.
| 799 |
Locker Thu, May 20, 2010 8:20:41am |
re: #796 Aceofwhat?
if that's your threshold for 'annoying', then i don't envy your waiters, baristas, garbagemen...
less coffee, dude. you don't whine when Killgore is in a linky mood. don't be so partisan.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm partisan against link spammers?
| 800 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:20:48am |
re: #785 Aceofwhat?
I just wish that, if they have a lot of links to post, people would use the tools that Charles worked to create, rather than filling the thread with them. I think more of them might actually get discussed and looked at that way, too.
However, like I said: that's a wish, not a demand. I also wish Mandy would put more time into confirming the stories as real or false, and whether they come from reputable sources, rather than simply presenting them without verifying them. Seeing her post a diatribe from an anti-semitic LaRouchite was pretty damn shocking.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:21:03am |
re: #791 middy
I guess it's ok with Charles so I have no basis for complaints. I just don't have time to wade through 800 posts to get the gist of the conversation about the actual topic at hand.
I guess nobody knows how to IRC anymore.
Carry on.
12 hours after the fact, i usually skip down to the last 50 posts, and the posts with a lot of blue in them can be skimmed very quickly.
any other life lessons? i'm here all week...try the baby sheep, and tip Locker's waiter;)
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middy Thu, May 20, 2010 8:21:10am |
re: #797 Walter L. Newton
And I guess you don't know "how to all get along" anymore.
Me!? You previous reply blew my hair back into a permanent ducktail. You're the flame king here, I'm just a passive aggressive smart ass.
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Locker Thu, May 20, 2010 8:21:11am |
re: #797 Walter L. Newton
And I guess you don't know "how to all get along" anymore.
Yea you are the king of getting along Walter. No wait, you are the king of criticism. My bad.
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Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:21:53am |
re: #788 Ericus58
You only mention this due to your not agreeing with the subject matters involved. Just scroll pass.
How does one disagree with a subject matter, exactly?
| 806 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, May 20, 2010 8:21:59am |
I have just gone from a sort of abstract disdain for Paul, to outright hatred.
This man is a fucking tool of the tooliest kind. I honestly had no idea what he stood for before, but I get it now. The man literally wants to roll back the civil rights movement. Does he actually believe that if you did away with legal prohibitions against private enterprise discriminating, that somehow anything other than very very bad things would happen? I don't believe he does. Nobody is that stupid.
Thus, I am forced to conclude the man is just another racist prick who lacks the courage to openly state his actual opinion. This is David Duke's run for president, all over again.
What an incredible scumbag.
| 807 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:22:28am |
re: #796 Aceofwhat?
Oh, we're all a little bit partisan.
| 808 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:22:57am |
re: #807 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, we're all a little bit partisan.
I swear, if you start singing....
/
| 809 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 8:22:57am |
You can't make this shit up.
PETA is paying Ms Suleman $5,000 to keep the sign on her front door until June 9, the deadline when city officials say it must be removed. The organisation is also throwing in a month's supply of veggie hot dogs and burgers for her and her 14 children.
Ms Suleman, 34, acknowledged she put the sign on her door partly for the money but added her support of PETA is sincere.
"I love animals and I do believe they should be spayed or neutered," she said. "Humans of course are much different."
Her children, the oldest of whom is nine, want a dog, Ms Suleman said. She told them they can have one when they are old enough to care for it.
SNIP
| 810 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:23:10am |
re: #806 Fozzie Bear
Well, that was an invigorating Two Minutes' Hate, wasn't it?
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Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:24:00am |
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goddamnedfrank Thu, May 20, 2010 8:24:14am |
A libertarian and avid Paulian nails Rand's problem (hey, I'm as surprised by this as you are):
RAND PAUL TOASTED BY THE EVEN-HANDED RACHEL MADDOW OVER BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS
I must admit, as one of the Ron Paul supporters that worked tirelessly to convince Rand Paul to leave his profession as an eye surgeon to pursue a seat in the US Senate, this is not the easiest article to write.Agree with her politics or not, Rachel Maddow has a reputation for giving people a fair chance to explain their positions. This Wednesday, coming off a “Randslide” victory in the Republican Primary for US Senate in Kentucky, Rand Paul returned to the show which launched his political career, and Maddow welcomed him to the big leagues.
The crux of the interview revolved around a straight-forward question from Maddow about whether Dr. Paul, because of his adamant support of small government, supported the civil rights legislation of the 1960’s. Without answering the question directly, the self-identified tea party candidate gave several long, confusing, and painfully awkward responses.
If he gave any answer at all to Maddow, it was that Civil Rights legislation was good when it came to public discrimination, even though forcing privately owned businesses to treat people of different races or gender equally was beyond the constitutional powers of government.
To be fair, Paul repeatedly expressed his disfavor for discrimination across the board. However, the tea party candidate offered little in the way of a practical solution to what he asserted was, surely to the surprise of minorities all over the country, a purely philosophical discussion.
Dr. Paul’s inability to address Maddow’s practical question of whether privately owned institutions may discriminate against custumers should be concerning not only to most voters, but “Ron Paul” and other libertarian-leaning voters themselves.
As Rand Paul accused Maddow of politicizing the question and “conflating the issue,” Dr. Paul’s biggest mistake was not accusing the host of playing politics, it was that he did not even see the opportunity to defend desegregation on the fundamental constitutional principles he champions. Paul justified his position under the right to the freedom of speech, while ignoring the more fundamental and obvious issue of a person’s right to equality.
Libertarian beef with the Civil Right Acts is not over the idea of racial equality that it codified, but the belief that the legislation was over-reaching because it infringed upon the property rights of private business. In a black & white world, where businesses and institutions are either private or public, the philosophical line-in-the-sand between public and private institutions that Dr. Paul draws may have merit.
But in the real world, where private business owners serve and benefit from public use (the owners of groceries stores, entertainment establishments, and clothing outlets to name a few), the ramifications of his narrow conception are serious.
A community is nothing more than a collection of private actors and actions. So, if the freedom of speech and the right to private discrimination supersedes a person’s right to participate and enjoy the benefits of a desegregated community, we are bound to live in a society where all persons are “endowed with certain inalienable rights” only insofar as the business class of society permits.
Wow, Rand really has dug himself into a hole on this issue. I sincerely hope he keeps digging as hard has he can.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:24:15am |
re: #808 Varek Raith
I swear, if you start singing...
/
I was just writing the song... but... said, nah.
| 814 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:24:26am |
re: #805 Obdicut
How does one disagree with a subject matter, exactly?
Lemuria comes to mind.
If you want to discuss Lemurian topography, I'd have to disagree with the subject.
| 815 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:24:27am |
re: #796 Aceofwhat?
Kilgore has never posted something from a LaRouchite, and spends a lot of time verifying his stories and tracking them down. He deserves a lot of credit for his thoroughness. I do not think that's an apt comparison in the least.
I also think Mandy has him beaten on volume hands-down.
| 816 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 8:24:41am |
I hate it when I'm forced to read links posted here.
| 817 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:24:48am |
re: #800 Obdicut
I just wish that, if they have a lot of links to post, people would use the tools that Charles worked to create, rather than filling the thread with them. I think more of them might actually get discussed and looked at that way, too.
However, like I said: that's a wish, not a demand. I also wish Mandy would put more time into confirming the stories as real or false, and whether they come from reputable sources, rather than simply presenting them without verifying them. Seeing her post a diatribe from an anti-semitic LaRouchite was pretty damn shocking.
whereas i kinda like it this way...Mandy, NJD, Killgore, etc...i like being able to scan something for three seconds to see if i want to read more.
but if i didn't like it, i wouldn't blatantly carve out the posters who seem to share my political views from my criticism.
| 818 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:25:31am |
re: #810 Guanxi88
Well, that was an invigorating Two Minutes' Hate, wasn't it?
re: #811 Varek Raith
On topic, too!
People miss out on a lot when they deny themselves the occasional venting of spleen. All this talk about "civility" and such-like is just a fancy and sneaky way for the makers of ulcer medications to up their sales.
Everybody needs to get it out of their systems sometimes.
| 819 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:25:52am |
| 820 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 8:25:59am |
re: #807 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, we're all a little bit partisan.
And a little bit country. And a little bit rock n roll.
| 821 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:26:02am |
re: #799 Locker
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm partisan against link spammers?
no, just half of them...unless you're going to show up later this afternoon and make exactly the same complaint.
(this is me doubting it, on the record)
| 822 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:26:18am |
| 823 |
middy Thu, May 20, 2010 8:26:40am |
re: #806 Fozzie Bear
I have just gone from a sort of abstract disdain for Paul, to outright hatred.
This man is a fucking tool of the tooliest kind. I honestly had no idea what he stood for before, but I get it now. The man literally wants to roll back the civil rights movement. Does he actually believe that if you did away with legal prohibitions against private enterprise discriminating, that somehow anything other than very very bad things would happen? I don't believe he does. Nobody is that stupid.
Thus, I am forced to conclude the man is just another racist prick who lacks the courage to openly state his actual opinion. This is David Duke's run for president, all over again.
What an incredible scumbag.
Well, I think that the point is kind of moot since those laws will never be repealed and, even if they were, any private enterprise that discriminated based on ethnicity would not last long in today's world. Very bad things would happen... to the discriminating business in question.
But yeah, he's a scumbag.
| 824 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:26:46am |
re: #817 Aceofwhat?
whereas i kinda like it this way...Mandy, NJD, Killgore, etc...i like being able to scan something for three seconds to see if i want to read more.
I'm not saying that anyone else should feel the way I do. I do, however, think that Kilgore posts links in a demonstrably different way; he verifies the stories, and he tends to track something down over time, expanding on the story.
but if i didn't like it, i wouldn't blatantly carve out the posters who seem to share my political views from my criticism.
I'm sorry, are you accusing me of doing that?
| 825 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:27:11am |
Dnar Luap doesn't have a chance, but it's fun watching people freak out about him.
| 826 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:27:36am |
re: #803 Locker
Yea you are the king of getting along Walter. No wait, you are the king of criticism. My bad.
What's your idea of getting along... agreeing with leftist all the time? I've been here, what, seven years... I have my opinions, I don't deny anyone of there's, but I don't pull any punches if I don't agree.
I play games here, which everyone from Charles down are aware of, I hold mirrors up, I lay into total bullshit and I have my say and go on.
I have hundreds of personal emails from Lizards of all political persuasions, I have hosted Lizards "live and in person" of all political persuasions at my home, and I have helped Lizards of all political persuasions get over life changing tragic incidents.
You're very shallow review of my personality and my import here at LGF is laughable. You may not agree with me, but I am as much a resource to this community as anyone else. And you're shitty little opinion doesn't change those facts.
Thanks for playing.
| 827 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:27:58am |
re: #815 Obdicut
Kilgore has never posted something from a LaRouchite, and spends a lot of time verifying his stories and tracking them down. He deserves a lot of credit for his thoroughness. I do not think that's an apt comparison in the least.
I also think Mandy has him beaten on volume hands-down.
The quality of the content would be an interesting topic, but it wasn't part of the initial complaint.
And let's not pretend that the line between "enough" and "too much" magically falls right along partisan lines. We're better than that.
| 828 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:28:08am |
re: #825 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dnar Luap doesn't have a chance, but it's fun watching people freak out about him.
(Watch this)
Paul/Paul '12
| 829 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:28:20am |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
You're very shallow review of my personality and my import here at LGF is laughable. You may not agree with me, but I am as much a resource to this community as anyone else. And you're shitty little opinion doesn't change those facts.
You forgot to mention how modest you are.
| 830 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:28:28am |
re: #810 Guanxi88
Well, that was an invigorating Two Minutes' Hate, wasn't it?
Down with Goldstein... Down with Goldstein... Down with Goldstein... Down with Goldstein... Down with Goldstein...
| 831 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, May 20, 2010 8:28:55am |
re: #816 Mad Al-Jaffee
IMO
The Pages will slowly become the place of choice for links, perhaps with a mini link to them in a post. That way you get a quick shot at discussion, and direct attention to the larger post in your page. It takes time for change like this in a big blog.
I would love it if post links were limited to maybe the full sentence. Just for the sake of the look and ease on the eyes.
| 832 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 8:29:03am |
“Gunmen wearing military uniforms raided our house early this morning to search it. They held us in a room and asked my father to show them the other rooms of the house,” Muhammed Adulla, the cleric’s son, said. Abdulla said the family did not realise his father had been killed until the four attackers left the house.
SNIP
| 833 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:29:04am |
re: #828 Guanxi88
I am rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off.
| 834 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:29:13am |
re: #828 Guanxi88
(Watch this)
Paul/Paul '12
WTF is wrong with you?!?!
That'll obliterate the space-time continuum!
| 835 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:29:29am |
re: #805 Obdicut
How does one disagree with a subject matter, exactly?
Heh. You disagreed with Kucinich as a subject the last time it came up...that's what i was teasing you about last night. Don't be coy...
| 836 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:29:54am |
re: #827 Aceofwhat?
The quality of the content would be an interesting topic, but it wasn't part of the initial complaint.
It was part of my original 'complaint'. I don't know Middy well enough to know what his politics are, at all.
| 837 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:30:12am |
| 838 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 8:30:12am |
re: #812 goddamnedfrank
A libertarian and avid Paulian nails Rand's problem (hey, I'm as surprised by this as you are):
RAND PAUL TOASTED BY THE EVEN-HANDED RACHEL MADDOW OVER BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS
Wow, Rand really has dug himself into a hole on this issue. I sincerely hope he keeps digging as hard has he can.
Faster, too!
| 839 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:30:19am |
re: #829 Obdicut
Ain't braggin' if you can back it up. More often than not? He backs it up.
| 840 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:30:20am |
re: #834 Varek Raith
WTF is wrong with you?!?!
That'll obliterate the space-time continuum!
Might as well not dick around wasting time; let's get down to some serious destruction and just get it over with already.
| 841 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:30:32am |
re: #829 Obdicut
You forgot to mention how modest you are.
I'm not modest. I'm who I am, and damn proud of it. Some folks have financial laurels to perch on, some have altruistic laurels to wave like a flag, I have what I have, and modest or not, don't change shit.
| 842 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:30:56am |
re: #840 Guanxi88
Might as well not dick around wasting time; let's get down to some serious destruction and just get it over with already.
...
Good point.
| 843 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:30:59am |
re: #839 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ain't braggin' if you can back it up. More often than not? He backs it up.
Backs what up?
| 844 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:31:34am |
re: #840 Guanxi88
Might as well not dick around wasting time; let's get down to some serious destruction and just get it over with already.
May happen on the series finale of LOST next Sunday. Major collision of tow time-like loops fixing to happen.
| 845 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:31:42am |
Sorry, Ace, this got snipped:
And let's not pretend that the line between "enough" and "too much" magically falls right along partisan lines. We're better than that.
I don't understand what you mean by that. Can you restate it?
| 846 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 8:32:02am |
re: #831 Rightwingconspirator
IMO
The Pages will slowly become the place of choice for links, perhaps with a mini link to them in a post. That way you get a quick shot at discussion, and direct attention to the larger post in your page. It takes time for change like this in a big blog.I would love it if post links were limited to maybe the full sentence. Just for the sake of the look and ease on the eyes.
My mouse has a little wheel in the top middle part. I can use that to scroll down on this or any site. That enables me to go past things I don't feel like reading. Isn't technology amazing?!
| 847 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:32:37am |
re: #841 Walter L. Newton
I'm not modest. I'm who I am, and damn proud of it. Some folks have financial laurels to perch on, some have altruistic laurels to wave like a flag, I have what I have, and modest or not, don't change shit.
You, sir, are awesome.
Image: you_sir_are_awesome.jpeg
| 848 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:33:26am |
re: #823 middy
Well, I think that the point is kind of moot since those laws will never be repealed and, even if they were, any private enterprise that discriminated based on ethnicity would not last long in today's world. Very bad things would happen... to the discriminating business in question.
But yeah, he's a scumbag.
It's interesting to read Buckley's reflection on how and why he changed his mind on the Civil Rights legislation. It's what RandP is missing (among other things).
| 849 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, May 20, 2010 8:34:21am |
I think the good news is, I don't see how Rand could possibly win after openly endorsing a repeal of part of the Civil Rights Act.
Umm... I hope, that is.
| 850 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:34:48am |
re: #848 Aceofwhat?
It's interesting to read Buckley's reflection on how and why he changed his mind on the Civil Rights legislation. It's what RandP is missing (among other things).
He's a great many tons of gold bars short of Fort Knox.
| 851 |
cliffster Thu, May 20, 2010 8:35:04am |
| 852 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:36:20am |
re: #845 Obdicut
Sorry, Ace, this got snipped:
I don't understand what you mean by that. Can you restate it?
Yes. Mandy and NJD link "too much" but Killgore links "enough"...i was warning those who were complaining more vociferously that drawing such a partisan line would be grounds for continued scorn, with some derision sprinkles and a ramekin of snide on the side!
| 854 |
steve-b Thu, May 20, 2010 8:36:55am |
re: #73 Gus 802
Update from Politico:
UPDATE: A reader notes that Paul articulated his view on the Civil Rights Act in an interview with the editorial board of the Louisville Courier-Journal (which called his answer (at around 1:00) "repulsive").
[snip]
In short, Rand Paul believes that private business owners have a right to discriminate based on race. Which means if Rand Paul were to expand on the "lunch counter" question, Rand Paul believes that a private diner or restaurant can put up a sign that reads, "whites only."
I can just imagine the GOP establishment types who backed Trey Grayson muttering "I TOLD YOU SO!" through clenched teeth.
Not that I really have any sympathy for them. If you animate the broom using a spell from your master's book that you understand just well enough to cast, you'd better know how to swim....
| 856 |
cliffster Thu, May 20, 2010 8:37:59am |
| 857 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:38:13am |
Here's another quote (which may have been posted already, but if not...) from Blumenthal, recent... 2008...
"I wore the uniform in Vietnam and many came back & to all kinds of disrespect. Whatever we think of war, we owe the men and women of the armed forces our unconditional support."
The occasion was the Stamford Veterans Days parade: Nov. 9, 2008.
[Link: www.stamfordadvocate.com...]
I couldn't vote for this guy no matter what my political learning were... a lier is a lier, and this guy is working on serial lying.
| 858 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:39:11am |
re: #857 Walter L. Newton
Here's another quote (which may have been posted already, but if not...) from Blumenthal, recent... 2008...
"I wore the uniform in Vietnam and many came back & to all kinds of disrespect. Whatever we think of war, we owe the men and women of the armed forces our unconditional support."
The occasion was the Stamford Veterans Days parade: Nov. 9, 2008.
[Link: www.stamfordadvocate.com...]
I couldn't vote for this guy no matter what my political learning were... a lier is a lier, and this guy is working on serial lying.
yeah...McMahon set him up...riiiight.
| 859 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:39:25am |
re: #852 Aceofwhat?
Again: Kilgore verifies his stories, and does a lot of legwork connecting all the dots on something. He deserves credit for that.
Mandy has posted things from incredibly dubious sources, including white supremacists and LaRouchites. I am not saying she intentionally did this-- I know it was unintentional. She still did it.
I do not think you can compare Kilgore's research to Mandy's links, at all. When I've pointed out to Mandy that one of her links was untrue, she replied that she just posts them. I can't imagine Kilgore having the same reaction.
I think it is a very bad comparison, and not because of partisan lines, but for the reasons I've already explained.
| 860 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:39:28am |
re: #857 Walter L. Newton
It depends on what the meaning of the word "in" is.
| 861 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:39:39am |
re: #856 cliffster
Religion Czar
Possibly, but I'd favor a more ecumenical approach - a panel of experts from Liberty University, Bob Jones, etc. - to the job, to make sure that all positions were represented.
| 862 |
MandyManners Thu, May 20, 2010 8:41:17am |
And this would be especially so if that was explained by one of the most respected men in the country, a man who has access to the highest-level intelligence.
Not at all.
In the same testimony which created lots of discussion regarding remarks on the Israel-Palestinian issue, General David Petraeus, head of the U.S. Central Command, revealed a bombshell story that has been ignored: Iran is helping al-Qaida attack Americans.
Iran, he said in military-speak, provides "a key facilitation hub, where facilitators connect al Qaida's senior leadership to regional affiliates." Translation: Tehran is letting al-Qaida leaders travel freely back and forth to Pakistan and Afghanistan, using its territory as a safe haven, while permitting them to hold meetings to plan terrorist attacks for attacking U.S. targets and killing Americans. While nominally Iran sometimes takes these people into custody, that seems, Petraeus says, a fiction to fool foreigners.
Oh, and Petraeus added that Iran also helps the Taliban fight America in Afghanistan. Regarding Iraq, the general explains, "The Qods Force [an elite Iranian military group within the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] also maintains its lethal support to Shia Iraqi militia groups, providing them with weapons, funding and training,"
SNIP
| 863 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:41:34am |
re: #858 Aceofwhat?
He lied about his service, and not in a petty way. He should apologize and withdraw.
He got multiple deferments and then got into a unit that he knew would not go to Vietnam. I wouldn't mind him claiming he served nearly as badly if he hadn't so actively avoided service in Vietnam.
| 864 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:41:34am |
re: #858 Aceofwhat?
yeah...McMahon set him up...riiight.
Who said "McMahon set him up"? No one on LGF would be lame enough to suggest that.. right?
| 865 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:41:40am |
gonna jam some food down the gullet. back in a few.
| 866 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:42:22am |
re: #859 Obdicut
Again: Kilgore verifies his stories, and does a lot of legwork connecting all the dots on something. He deserves credit for that.
Mandy has posted things from incredibly dubious sources, including white supremacists and LaRouchites. I am not saying she intentionally did this-- I know it was unintentional. She still did it.
I do not think you can compare Kilgore's research to Mandy's links, at all. When I've pointed out to Mandy that one of her links was untrue, she replied that she just posts them. I can't imagine Kilgore having the same reaction.
I think it is a very bad comparison, and not because of partisan lines, but for the reasons I've already explained.
again, i was responding to people who were complaining about the quantity of said links.
| 867 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:42:25am |
re: #865 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
gonna jam some food down the gullet. back in a few.
Scarf well, pudgy fatherless herbivore
| 869 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:42:43am |
re: #863 Obdicut
Absolutely. That simple fact is what is making me disbelieve "misspoke".
| 871 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:45:38am |
re: #866 Aceofwhat?
again, i was responding to people who were complaining about the quantity of said links.
Okay. I don't think you can really separate quantity and quality in this case. One link from a LaRouchite is one link too many. I also think it's important to give Kilgore credit for the amount of work he puts in to verification and exploring stories fully.
| 872 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:45:39am |
re: #864 Walter L. Newton
Who said "McMahon set him up"? No one on LGF would be lame enough to suggest that.. right?
perish the thought...
| 873 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:46:39am |
re: #871 Obdicut
Okay. I don't think you can really separate quantity and quality in this case. One link from a LaRouchite is one link too many. I also think it's important to give Kilgore credit for the amount of work he puts in to verification and exploring stories fully.
then go tell the folks complaining about the quantity that they're making a nonsensical argument...you're preaching to the choir!
| 874 |
kirkspencer Thu, May 20, 2010 8:46:40am |
re: #28 freetoken
Yes, it's part of a now well worn strategy.
If directly opposing an idea might create image problems, then one turns the tables and promotes the opposite idea hidden within a broader concept.
We see it in education, where creationists will push school vouchers, (or as I said before, a more local control over the curriculum.)
We see it in the "tenth amendment" movements, which allows them to rally for something rather than rally against what they're trying to do away with (such as the CRA.)
It's slippery, it's marketing, it's now the trade and stock of politicians.
It's like at the store, when I see a bar that is advertising on bright yellow signs as "costing less", but nowhere is it mentioned that the size has shrunk!
It's an old strategy. I point to why the South rebelled. "It wasn't about slavery, it was about States' Rights," they'll tell you. And they've been telling us that for a long, long time now.
| 875 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:48:30am |
re: #873 Aceofwhat?
then go tell the folks complaining about the quantity that they're making a nonsensical argument...you're preaching to the choir!
But that's not what I'm preaching, Ace. I am saying the quantity is a problem, because it leads to lower quality. It also clutters up the thread and makes it hard to read-- like I said, I find the Kantian golden rule a pretty good one to follow.
| 876 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:50:08am |
Well, bugger. No work the rest of the week.
:(
| 877 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:50:22am |
I should call Kant's thingy by the proper name: The categorical imperative.
| 878 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:50:43am |
| 879 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 8:51:23am |
re: #878 Obdicut
Yep. Though, I got reserves. I'll be okay.
| 880 |
avanti Thu, May 20, 2010 8:52:22am |
re: #812 goddamnedfrank
This paragraph in your link explains a more rasonable libertarian position than I could have.
"A community is nothing more than a collection of private actors and actions. So, if the freedom of speech and the right to private discrimination supersedes a person’s right to participate and enjoy the benefits of a desegregated community, we are bound to live in a society where all persons are “endowed with certain inalienable rights” only insofar as the business class of society permits."
| 881 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:52:41am |
re: #875 Obdicut
But that's not what I'm preaching, Ace. I am saying the quantity is a problem, because it leads to lower quality. It also clutters up the thread and makes it hard to read-- like I said, I find the Kantian golden rule a pretty good one to follow.
that statement is incompatible with your other one. "hard to read" and clutter are quite different complaints than "poorly sourced".
| 882 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 8:53:45am |
re: #877 Obdicut
I should call Kant's thingy by the proper name: The categorical imperative.
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable,
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy begger
Who could think you under the table,
David Hume could out-consume,
Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel.
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.
| 883 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 8:54:40am |
re: #881 Aceofwhat?
that statement is incompatible with your other one. "hard to read" and clutter are quite different complaints than "poorly sourced".
No, it's not incompatible, just different. I think both things:
A) Posting a ton of links with lots of blue text in rapid succession makes the thread hard to read, and conversations hard to follow
B) Posting tons of links without doing much fact-checking on their veracity or the trustworthiness of the sources leads to posting things that are inaccurate or written by foul people.
| 884 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 8:55:29am |
Here's an OT (I eat fast)
Was in a customer's house yesterday. They had
An Obama Clock.
An Obama Plate.
An Obama Throw blanket.
An Obama bobble-head doll.
An Obama pictorial coffee table book.
There's a pile of Obama merchandising. Does the President get a cut?
The dude has created an impressive industry. I hope he get's his.
| 885 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 8:56:24am |
re: #776 Obdicut
Well, I'm with him in that I wish Mandy would use Charles's nifty tools and keep the thread uncluttered. I wouldn't say "Start your own blog", but massive chunks of blue text are annoying.
I generally subscribe to the Kantian golden rule: What if everyone acted the same way? It'd make threads unreadable. In addition, the sheer number of links means that none of them actually wind up getting discussed.
It's not my blog, so it's not my call. I'm just glad Mandy doesn't continue to spam links in the same way throughout the day.
The usual and accepted practice around here ever since I've been reading is that after several hundred comments on a given thread it has always been considered quite acceptable to go off topic.
Your real complaint seems to be something of a personal nature and rudely directed at a specific blogger by speaking in the third person as if they were not even here.
I suggest you get some manners.
| 886 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:56:36am |
This is wrong...
"The Facebook page at the center of the dispute — "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!" — encourages users to post images of the prophet on May 20 to protest threats made by a radical Muslim group against the creators of South Park for depicting Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode earlier this year."
[Link: www.pinecam.com...]
It's wrong that the user of this Facebook page suggested this "art project."
| 887 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 8:56:44am |
re: #884 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I bet they didn't have his birth certificate!
| 888 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:57:02am |
re: #865 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
gonna jam some food down the gullet. back in a few.
Hey, a tip for those Lizards coping with the recession and ruinous inflation of fodd prices:
Those freebie packs of soy sauce you get when you order your General Tso's chicken can - and should - be saved for a higher use.
One pack per bowl of "beef flavor" ramen makes an excellent addition to an already good meal, and makes sure you get about 100% of your USRDA for sodium, in the event you're not getting enough salt.
| 889 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 8:57:33am |
re: #886 Walter L. Newton
This is wrong...
"The Facebook page at the center of the dispute — "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!" — encourages users to post images of the prophet on May 20 to protest threats made by a radical Muslim group against the creators of South Park for depicting Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode earlier this year."
[Link: www.pinecam.com...]
It's wrong that the user of this Facebook page suggested this "art project."
Wrong link...
[Link: www.npr.org...]
| 890 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 8:57:38am |
re: #888 Guanxi88
Hey, I got the money post on this thread! Woo hoo!
| 891 |
Interesting Times Thu, May 20, 2010 8:58:07am |
re: #875 Obdicut
I hate to admit this, but I hardly ever look at spinoff links or the LGF pages - just don't have the time. So maybe that's why others put links in comment threads instead - they figure this is where most people will see and/or discuss them.
| 892 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 8:59:56am |
re: #886 Walter L. Newton
This is wrong...
"The Facebook page at the center of the dispute — "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!" — encourages users to post images of the prophet on May 20 to protest threats made by a radical Muslim group against the creators of South Park for depicting Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode earlier this year."
[Link: www.pinecam.com...]
It's wrong that the user of this Facebook page suggested this "art project."
i disagree. any religion with a silly bugaboo that results in death threats is a religion with a knot.
what do you do with a knot in your muscle? you press on it until it dissipates.
| 894 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 9:00:26am |
re: #891 publicityStunted
I hate to admit this, but I hardly ever look at spinoff links or the LGF pages - just don't have the time. So maybe that's why others put links in comment threads instead - they figure this is where most people will see and/or discuss them.
I agree and appreciate the effort.
| 895 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:00:46am |
re: #885 Spare O'Lake
The usual and accepted practice around here ever since I've been reading is that after several hundred comments on a given thread it has always been considered quite acceptable to go off topic.
Your real complaint seems to be something of a personal nature and rudely directed at a specific blogger by speaking in the third person as if they were not even here.
I suggest you get some manners.
I am not in the least complaining about going off-topic, so would you care to remake your criticism?
I have no personal problem with Mandy at all. I think Mandy is a nifty person and I agree with her on a lot of things. I never think she has less than good motives for posting what she does.
Mandy, if you have any problem with me talking about your posting habits, go ahead and let me know and I'll be happy to talk to you directly about it.
I've certainly talked directly to Mandy about it before, so your complaint seems, well, more about me personally than actually about what I'm saying.
| 896 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 9:01:50am |
re: #888 Guanxi88
Ramen cuisine tips are surprisingly popular. Here's another:
That crappy "chicken flavor" ramen can be improved by plopping a fired egg onto the top of the soup; make sure the broth is super-hot.
| 897 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 9:02:22am |
re: #893 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope you folks find that link important. I hope there was not too much blue.
| 898 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 9:02:38am |
re: #895 Obdicut
Complaints about style. Is that what it comes down to?
| 899 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 9:02:44am |
| 900 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 9:02:52am |
re: #896 Guanxi88
Ramen cuisine tips are surprisingly popular. Here's another:
That crappy "chicken flavor" ramen can be improved by plopping a fired egg onto the top of the soup; make sure the broth is super-hot.
CRAPPY?!?!?
YOU DARE DIS MY CUPOFNOODLES!?!?!
*ZZZAAAPPP*
| 901 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:03:18am |
re: #891 publicityStunted
Heh. And I think if fewer links were posted in the threads, more people would make use of Charles's tools. But in addition: volume doesn't make for a good discussion. There doesn't tend to be a lot of discussion about Mandy's links, either; for the self-same reason that there's so many of them. She posts some very good stories-- like the one about the lesbian who faces death on return to Iran-- but it's hard to discuss them amongst the flood of other links.
| 902 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 9:03:40am |
re: #892 Aceofwhat?
i disagree. any religion with a silly bugaboo that results in death threats is a religion with a knot.
what do you do with a knot in your muscle? you press on it until it dissipates.
Fine... I working on a whole new retrospect called "Piss Christ... the Shitty future" That's OK?
This "art project" is by this Facebook page is ONLY being suggested because they WANT to elicit an outrage (or violence). It's not for any other reason.
I find that wrong.
| 903 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 9:03:52am |
re: #896 Guanxi88
Ramen cuisine tips are surprisingly popular. Here's another:
That crappy "chicken flavor" ramen can be improved by plopping a fired egg onto the top of the soup; make sure the broth is super-hot.
Here's another Ramen tip.
A serving that costs twenty cents? Is overpriced.
| 904 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:04:06am |
re: #898 Guanxi88
Complaints about style. Is that what it comes down to?
Well, I'd say that's a massive oversimplification. I've said very clearly what I think, so I don't really think I need to state it again.
| 905 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 9:04:10am |
| 906 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 9:04:40am |
re: #896 Guanxi88
Ramen cuisine tips are surprisingly popular. Here's another:
That crappy "chicken flavor" ramen can be improved by plopping a fired egg onto the top of the soup; make sure the broth is super-hot.
Once in college I had some popcorn someone made with melted butter and the shrimp flavor packet from a ramen package. Sounds nasty, but it tasted damn good at the time!
| 907 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 9:04:56am |
re: #897 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope you folks find that link important. I hope there was not too much blue.
*chortle*
| 908 |
Mr. Crankypants Thu, May 20, 2010 9:05:15am |
re: #896 Guanxi88
Ramen cuisine tips are surprisingly popular. Here's another:
That crappy "chicken flavor" ramen can be improved by plopping a fired egg onto the top of the soup; make sure the broth is super-hot.
Was it fired for cause, or was it just time to downsize?
| 909 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 9:05:37am |
re: #903 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Here's another Ramen tip.
A serving that costs twenty cents? Is overpriced.
Let me give you the best tip about Ramen... unless you body just ignores calories, don't eat that stuff... look at the fat and calorie count on a package... 300 and more a serving... count how many servings in those "big bowl" soup meals...
| 910 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 9:05:48am |
re: #908 PT Barnum
Was it fired for cause, or was it just time to downsize?
Had way too many of 'em in the basket.
| 911 |
reine.de.tout Thu, May 20, 2010 9:06:20am |
re: #901 Obdicut
Most folks are here, participating or lurking.
What I've done (way in the past, when I used to post in spin-off links before they got so spammed with too much stuff), would be to post the spin-off, then make a comment about it in the thread with a link to said spin-off, in case anyone in the thread was interested.
It was always hard, though, to get a decent discussion going on a spin-off, for some reason.
| 912 |
Varek Raith Thu, May 20, 2010 9:06:21am |
The spill in the Gulf. We're winging it, aren't we?..
| 913 |
Mr. Crankypants Thu, May 20, 2010 9:06:54am |
re: #909 Walter L. Newton
Let me give you the best tip about Ramen... unless you body just ignores calories, don't eat that stuff... look at the fat and calorie count on a package... 300 and more a serving... count how many servings in those "big bowl" soup meals...
Ramen makes a good meal if:
You have a lot of frozen or fresh vegetables to add to it.
You have some good leftover chicken, pork, beef or shrimp
And you only use half to a third of the flavor packet.
| 914 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, May 20, 2010 9:07:05am |
re: #897 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope you folks find that link important. I hope there was not too much blue.
"I'm afraid I just blue myself."
Tobias Fünke
| 915 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 9:07:30am |
re: #895 Obdicut
I am not in the least complaining about going off-topic, so would you care to remake your criticism?
I have no personal problem with Mandy at all. I think Mandy is a nifty person and I agree with her on a lot of things. I never think she has less than good motives for posting what she does.
Mandy, if you have any problem with me talking about your posting habits, go ahead and let me know and I'll be happy to talk to you directly about it.
I've certainly talked directly to Mandy about it before, so your complaint seems, well, more about me personally than actually about what I'm saying.
Notice how when I have something to say to you I say it directly to you? That was my complaint about your complaint about Mandy.
Perhaps all might consider refraining from these third party ad hominem attacks?
| 916 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 9:07:56am |
re: #904 Obdicut
Well, I'd say that's a massive oversimplification. I've said very clearly what I think, so I don't really think I need to state it again.
I surmised that your earlier complaints about massive chunks of blue text were largely on aesthetic grounds. One could be forgiven for leaping to so wild a conclusion.
| 917 |
reine.de.tout Thu, May 20, 2010 9:07:57am |
| 918 |
Mr. Crankypants Thu, May 20, 2010 9:08:14am |
re: #915 Spare O'Lake
Notice how when I have something to say to you I say it directly to you? That was my complaint about your complaint about Mandy.
Perhaps all might consider refraining from these third party ad hominem attacks?
But those are the most fun!
| 919 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, May 20, 2010 9:08:46am |
re: #902 Walter L. Newton
Fine... I working on a whole new retrospect called "Piss Christ... the Shitty future" That's OK?
This "art project" is by this Facebook page is ONLY being suggested because they WANT to elicit an outrage (or violence). It's not for any other reason.
I find that wrong.
sure. it's fine. you know why no one is suggesting it? because the response would be boring.
i long for the day when islam is a more boring religion. Christianity, too (see: Texas BOE) has pimples to be popped, but at least we lanced most of our boils...
(imagery provided free of charge)
| 920 |
Mr. Crankypants Thu, May 20, 2010 9:08:49am |
Anybody besides me looking forward to Shrek 4 this weekend?
The series has been consistently good.
| 921 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:09:02am |
re: #911 reine.de.tout
I think it's a challenge to keep up with these normal threads, let alone the spinoffs; however, I do think that with the work that Charles has put into them, they have potential. I've already bookmarked some people's spinoff streams.
Locker, for example, at least practices what he preaches:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 922 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 9:09:39am |
re: #913 PT Barnum
Ramen makes a good meal if:
You have a lot of frozen or fresh vegetables to add to it.
You have some good leftover chicken, pork, beef or shrimp
And you only use half to a third of the flavor packet.
I only agree if you have no problem with weight or getting rid of empty calories... those noodles are pure fat... if you have leftover meets like that, mix it with sauerkraut or vegetables or any other low calorie bulk material that mixes well in a "stew" sort of situation, but those noodles are pure calories and worthless.
| 923 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:10:56am |
re: #915 Spare O'Lake
Notice how when I have something to say to you I say it directly to you? That was my complaint about your complaint about Mandy.
Perhaps all might consider refraining from these third party ad hominem attacks?
I'm sorry, but that's not what 'ad hominem' means. I'm not dismissing an argument because of a personal aspect of who's presenting that argument.
And like I said, I have said all this directly to Mandy before. In addition, as I've said, I don't impugn Mandy's motives in the least.
Your claim that I was complaining about people being off-topic is still completely false.
| 924 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 9:11:21am |
re: #920 PT Barnum
Anybody besides me looking forward to Shrek 4 this weekend?
The series has been consistently good.
Is Oprah Winfrey still playing that troll character, the female love interest?
| 925 |
Mr. Crankypants Thu, May 20, 2010 9:11:44am |
re: #922 Walter L. Newton
I only agree if you have no problem with weight or getting rid of empty calories... those noodles are pure fat... if you have leftover meets like that, mix it with sauerkraut or vegetables or any other low calorie bulk material that mixes well in a "stew" sort of situation, but those noodles are pure calories and worthless.
But the slurpitude is what makes them worth eating!
I will admit, I'm a noodle fan. Pad Thai, Pho, Spaghetti, Capalinni, linguine all those. I love em all.
| 926 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, May 20, 2010 9:12:32am |
re: #923 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but that's not what 'ad hominem' means. I'm not dismissing an argument because of a personal aspect of who's presenting that argument.
And like I said, I have said all this directly to Mandy before. In addition, as I've said, I don't impugn Mandy's motives in the least.
Your claim that I was complaining about people being off-topic is still completely false.
You're sorry my ass.
Cut the crap.
Have a great day.
| 927 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, May 20, 2010 9:12:44am |
re: #913 PT Barnum
Ramen makes a good meal if:
You have a lot of frozen or fresh vegetables to add to it.
You have some good leftover chicken, pork, beef or shrimp
And you only use half to a third of the flavor packet.
Look at the calorie count 380 calories for a SINGLE PACKAGE of Ramen Noodles...
[Link: caloriecount.about.com...]
| 928 |
Mr. Crankypants Thu, May 20, 2010 9:12:49am |
re: #924 Walter L. Newton
Is Oprah Winfrey still playing that troll character, the female love interest?
No..she's starring in a remake of an Andrew Lloyd Weber musical
The Phantom of the Oprah
| 929 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:13:49am |
re: #926 Spare O'Lake
You're sorry my ass.
Cut the crap.
Have a great day.
You made an untrue accusation against me-- several ones, actually-- and you're asking me to cut the crap. Nifty.
| 930 |
Mr. Crankypants Thu, May 20, 2010 9:13:53am |
re: #927 Walter L. Newton
Look at the calorie count 380 calories for a SINGLE PACKAGE of Ramen Noodles...
[Link: caloriecount.about.com...]
I don't disagree Walter, but on the other hand, indulging occasionally doesn't hurt. I wouldn't make a steady diet of ramen any more than I would make a steady diet of filet mignon.
| 931 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 9:14:10am |
re: #877 Obdicut
I should call Kant's thingy by the proper name: The categorical imperative.
I thought he called it "Little Immanuel"
| 932 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 9:14:46am |
re: #929 Obdicut
You made an untrue accusation against me-- several ones, actually-- and you're asking me to cut the crap. Nifty.
Funny, isn't it, the way you're never spared people lying about you.
| 933 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:14:58am |
re: #931 Guanxi88
I thought he called it "Little Immanuel"
No, that's what his wife called it. He called it the categorical imperative.
/
| 934 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, May 20, 2010 9:15:13am |
re: #914 Mad Al-Jaffee
"I'm afraid I just blue myself."
Tobias Fünke
Uh... That's Dr. Tobias Fünke to you.
| 935 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:15:32am |
re: #932 Guanxi88
Funny, isn't it, the way you're never spared people lying about you.
I'm often spared. Most people on LGF don't lie. It's pretty awesome that way.
| 936 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 9:15:48am |
re: #933 Obdicut
No, that's what his wife called it. He called it the categorical imperative.
/
Funny thing _ i;m not sure if he was ever married or not. I'd be surprised if he weren't
| 937 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, May 20, 2010 9:16:16am |
Hooray!
It's Everybody Draw Mo' Day!
Join me, won't you?
| 938 |
reine.de.tout Thu, May 20, 2010 9:16:23am |
re: #921 Obdicut
I think it's a challenge to keep up with these normal threads, let alone the spinoffs; however, I do think that with the work that Charles has put into them, they have potential. I've already bookmarked some people's spinoff streams.
Locker, for example, at least practices what he preaches:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Wow!
Good for Locker!
| 939 |
Killgore Trout Thu, May 20, 2010 9:16:30am |
General Manager's Statement Regarding LADWP Power Generation Assets in Arizona
"I want to make clear that we support the City position regarding the recent law enacted in Arizona and the resolution adopted by the Los Angeles City Council.
On any given day, we receive 20 – 25% of our power from two power plants located in Arizona: Navajo, a coal-fired plant, and Palo Verde, a nuclear plant.
We are part owner of both power plants, which are generating assets of the Department. As such, nothing in the City’s resolution is inconsistent with our continuing to receive power from those LADWP-owned assets.
I might add that, as the City’s Job Czar, I certainly would welcome any conventions or meetings that were going to be held in Arizona to come to Los Angeles. We have fantastic facilities and incomparable weather and we’d welcome them to the City of Angels."
| 940 |
cliffster Thu, May 20, 2010 9:18:03am |
| 941 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, May 20, 2010 9:19:11am |
Now I am curious to see what Rand Paul stepped in. *moving upthread*
| 942 |
Guanxi88 Thu, May 20, 2010 9:20:00am |
re: #941 Oh no...Sand People!
Now I am curious to see what Rand Paul stepped in. *moving upthread*
He's in Kentucky, so it's probably road apples.
| 943 |
Obdicut Thu, May 20, 2010 9:20:20am |
re: #938 reine.de.tout
Well, this thread has at least inspired me to check out the spinoffs more and post in them.
| 944 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 20, 2010 9:26:56am |
re: #231 compound idaho
213 pingjockey
My mom has 51 first cousins. She is older that some of her aunts and uncles, Louisiana
I'm older than one of my aunts. Grandfather started a second family.
| 945 |
Vambo Thu, May 20, 2010 10:15:46am |
re: #863 Obdicut
He lied about his service, and not in a petty way. He should apologize and withdraw.
He got multiple deferments and then got into a unit that he knew would not go to Vietnam. I wouldn't mind him claiming he served nearly as badly if he hadn't so actively avoided service in Vietnam.
I'm changing my opinion, because of the sheer number of times he repeated this -- and it makes me angry, as he is otherwise a decent, likeable politician.
He should withdraw NOW and give the next Dem time to campaign. There is no way Steroids McMahon or Rob "sue the Fed over healthcare" Simmons should be representing our blue state. Sad thing is that's it Blumenthal's own fault, what a MORON.
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
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Views: 516 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
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Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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