Rand Paul, Ron Paul, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964

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As Rand Paul does his best to dodge and obfuscate his position on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it should be pointed out that he’s simply being a chip off the old block.

In 2004, his father Ron Paul was the only member of Congress who voted “NO” on a resolution to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act. This is his statement, published on the hate site of white nationalist Lew Rockwell (Google cache link): The Trouble With Forced Integration by Rep. Ron Paul.

This is the unvarnished Paul family position on the Civil Rights Act, without Rand Paul’s attempt to sugar-coat it.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business’s workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge’s defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.

July 3, 2004

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135 comments
1 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:42:13pm

So if I sound crazy as a loon, it's a family tradition!
(apologies to Bocephus)

2 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:43:40pm

Sure, bring things like document statements into this.

3 allegro  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:44:49pm
Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Just a coincidence then, clearly. I knew the guy was nuts - now I see that he is shockingly nuts AND blind to anything resembling reality.

4 brookly red  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:45:01pm

re: #1 darthstar

So if I sound crazy as a loon, it's a family tradition!
(apologies to Bocephus)

/oh so it's a preexisting condition, why didn't you just say so...

sorry your plan doesn't cover it.

5 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:45:18pm

Sins of the father.

6 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:45:18pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sure, bring things like document statements into this.

Ron Paul put himself on the record with this one. It's fair to ask his son if he supports his father's position. And if that asking happens to put Rand in a bind, so much the better.

7 Locker  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:47:35pm

It's not that I can't understand or appreciate the argument of private property vs civil rights but we've ample evidence as to the harm caused by doing things "the old way".

Who, in their right mind, would want to go back to the way it was? Our own citizens marginalized by groups of other citizens. Locked out of services, opportunity and dignity.

It was wrong then and it's wrong now, or such is my opinion.

8 Interesting Times  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:48:08pm

You cannot read this if you are black.

...because this is a private diary and -- thanks to the exalted eloquence of Republican/Tea Party Candidate Ayn Rand Paul -- I have decided not to let any black people read it. Also, you cannot read this diary if...

you are gay, hispanic, Native American, jewish, taiwanese, gay-hispanic, jewish-native-taiwanese, a vegetarian, shorter than 5' 7", a pig farmer, someone who has ever made fresh pasta, a lover of the books of Stephen King, freckly, an owner of a Ford Festiva, are named Stuart or Howard or Annabelle, have a horizontal ass-crack, brush with cinnamon flavored toothpaste, are currently staying at a Motel 6, are without one or more of your tonsils, are a fan of the New York Mets, have licked jello off the breast of mammal, played the role of Annie in grade school, own one of those hats with an angle brim, punch people when you see a car with one headlight, possess a die with more than six sides, speak with a southern accent, have mutton chops, drink Diet Cherry Coke, like dentistry, can make a paper airplane, have shaved your pubic hair, or have ever removed the "do not remove" tag off one of your mattresses.

9 Nick Morgan  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:49:18pm

That is the definition of reactionary. And I am a conservative republican. I know what is right and what is wrong. I have quibbles with the details but the 1964 civil rights act was right.
Ron Paul is WRONG!

10 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:49:25pm

re: #8 publicityStunted

You cannot read this if you are black.

Jeff Lieber is often very funny and biting with his diaries...it's worth looking at his diary history over at dKos...and he lives not too far from Charles (Jeff's in Venice Beach, I believe).

11 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:50:15pm

Whenever I hear the word "bedrock", I reach for my flintlock.

12 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:51:28pm

re: #7 Locker

It's not that I can't understand or appreciate the argument of private property vs civil rights but we've ample evidence as to the harm caused by doing things "the old way".

Who, in their right mind, would want to go back to the way it was? Our own citizens marginalized by groups of other citizens. Locked out of services, opportunity and dignity.

It was wrong then and it's wrong now, or such is my opinion.

The "old way" was essentially a poisonous social fabric. De facto segregation promotes schism in society, creates inefficiencies, injustice, and balkanization. But you have to realize that there are those out there who *want* this to result. Whether they think that will leave them "on top", or are simply ignorant of the consequences of such a direction is still unclear to me. Though I suspect that the leaders of the movements advocating this are aware and simply do not care since all they want is political advantage and monetary support.

13 webevintage  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:51:32pm

Rand Paul in a letter to the Editor in 2002:
In a May 30, 2002, letter to the Bowling Green Daily News, Paul's hometown newspaper, he criticized the paper for endorsing the Fair Housing Act, and explained that "a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin." (Hat tip: Page One Kentucky.)
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

14 wrenchwench  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:52:01pm

re: #7 Locker

It's not that I can't understand or appreciate the argument of private property vs civil rights but we've ample evidence as to the harm caused by doing things "the old way".

Who, in their right mind, would want to go back to the way it was? Our own citizens marginalized by groups of other citizens. Locked out of services, opportunity and dignity.

It was wrong then and it's wrong now, or such is my opinion.

To be fair, Rand Paul says discrimination is wrong. He just also thinks its wrong to expend any government money to do anything about it.

15 Locker  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:52:07pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Whenever I hear the word "bedrock", I reach for my flintlock.

Strange. Whenever I hear "bedrock" I get a sudden craving for a Brontosaurus Burger.

16 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:52:27pm

re: #13 webevintage

Rand Paul in a letter to the Editor in 2002:
In a May 30, 2002, letter to the Bowling Green Daily News, Paul's hometown newspaper, he criticized the paper for endorsing the Fair Housing Act, and explained that "a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin." (Hat tip: Page One Kentucky.)
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

Now there's a winning campaign slogan if ever I saw one.
/

17 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:52:30pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Whenever I hear the word "bedrock", I reach for my flintlock.

Not a Flintstones fan?

18 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:53:25pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Not a Flintstones fan?

Or he's simply the Neolithic equivalent of a MinuteMan. :)

19 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:53:41pm

re: #15 Locker

Strange. Whenever I hear "bedrock" I get a sudden craving for a Brontosaurus Burger.

I get memories of the shooting pains of trying to dig fence post holes on my parents' property when I was younger.

20 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:53:52pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Not a Flintstones fan?

I think the problem lies in the fact the Paul's probably think of the Flintstones as a documentary.

21 allegro  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:54:39pm

I'm actually drawn to a picture of the country now as it might be if the CRA was repealed at this point. I'm imagining a store or restaurant with a sign listing those who are unwelcome to pay their money for the products or services offered.

Thanks to the past 45 years of CRA, and the education and attitude changes of the populace that has resulted, the results for that business now would not be pleasant.

22 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:55:33pm

Hey,

Mel Gibson's father is a racist, that doesn't mean...

nevermind...

23 bluecheese  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:55:39pm

re: #16 darthstar

"a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin."

So there you have it.

Bring back the whites only signs.

24 Nick Morgan  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:57:20pm

re: #22 rwdflynavy

Hey,

Mel Gibson's father is a racist, that doesn't mean...

nevermind...


Mel Gibson is an antisemitic racist!

25 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:57:53pm

re: #24 Nick Morgan

Mel Gibson is an antisemitic racist!

RON PAUL!

26 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:57:53pm

re: #23 bluecheese

"a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin."

So there you have it.

Bring back the whites only signs.

By Monday, Michael Steele will have put out a statement supporting Rand Paul for Senate and all of the Republicans will point at him and say, "See? Black people like us!"

27 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:58:04pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Not a Flintstones fan?

Not a fan of what Hemingway called those big words that cause us so much trouble.

Like "liberty". Like "property". Like "progress".

The concepts are great, but most people who mouth the words should be gutted, spitted and roasted over a slow fire. Because they're trying to sell you something smelly in a bag with lots of flowery words to hide the stench.

28 Nick Morgan  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:58:10pm

By the way, Betty Rubble was a babe.

29 Fozzie Bear  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:58:17pm

re: #19 darthstar

I get memories of the shooting pains of trying to dig fence post holes on my parents' property when I was younger.

It is hard to describe the sort of bone pain that results from swinging a pick-axe at the ground with all your might only to have it bounce off a rock under the soil. It really sticks with you.

30 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:58:39pm

re: #28 Nick Morgan

By the way, Betty Rubble was a babe.

BAM BAM

31 brookly red  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:58:56pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

RON PAUL!

/no way is Ron Paul Mel Gibson's father... I don't believe you.

32 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:58:59pm

re: #23 bluecheese

"a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin."

So there you have it.

Bring back the whites only signs.

And having the ability to put up "Blacks Only" signs next door to the "Whites Only" signs might might make folk happy, but it's no way to run a town...

Slippery slope to neighborhoods, villages, etc. essentially declaring themselves social enclaves excluding one or more groups. Though I don't quite think Arizona or Texas will be able to afford all the necessary signage...
/// (massive)

33 Locker  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:59:17pm

re: #19 darthstar

I get memories of the shooting pains of trying to dig fence post holes on my parents' property when I was younger.

Laugh I feel you man. In Saudi and Iraq the ground was so hard you couldn't dig foxholes. Had to bring in a backhoe to do it.

Similarly my current town sits right on top of a gigantic slab of granite. In the summer the sound of dynamite, necessary to dig a pool, going off wafts softly among the trees.

34 bluecheese  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:59:25pm

re: #26 darthstar

lol

35 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 20, 2010 12:59:56pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BAM BAM

Maybe Paul is getting advice from The Great Gazoo.

36 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:00:36pm

re: #33 Locker

Laugh I feel you man. In Saudi and Iraq the ground was so hard you couldn't dig foxholes. Had to bring in a backhoe to do it.

Similarly my current town sits right on top of a gigantic slab of granite. In the summer the sound of dynamite, necessary to dig a pool, going off wafts softly among the trees.

Keeps you safe from the graboids though! ;)

37 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:00:43pm

Talk about strange bedfellows. Robert Stacy McCain and Oliver Willis are having a fine old time together bashing me on Twitter.

38 Locker  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:01:23pm

re: #35 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe Paul is getting advice from The Great Gazoo.

We'll know if he starts calling everyone around him a "dumbdumb".

39 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:02:45pm

re: #37 Charles

Talk about strange bedfellows. Robert Stacy McCain and Oliver Willis are having a fine old time together bashing me on Twitter.

Talk about a moronic convergence.

40 Fozzie Bear  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:03:10pm

re: #37 Charles

The medium suits the message.

41 Gus  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:04:08pm

re: #37 Charles

Talk about strange bedfellows. Robert Stacy McCain and Oliver Willis are having a fine old time together bashing me on Twitter.

Rather psycho isn't it. That proves that Oliver Willis believes that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

42 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:04:53pm

Oh, and in case there's anyone out there who thinks being an eye doctor means you're more intelligent than the average politician, I submit the quote from Rand Paul on the last thread: "[...] they have seemed to unleash the loony left on me."

A person who can't tell "have seemed to" from "seem to have" is not fit to hold the pen that signs the laws.

43 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:06:37pm

re: #24 Nick Morgan

Mel Gibson is an antisemitic racist!

That is your opinion sugar tits!
//

44 Randall Gross  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:07:23pm

This brings up the question: Racism: Nature or Nurture? [big hint: the scientific racialists will try to tell you that natural xenophobia is incontrovertible evidence that we are all born bigots, and that it can't be overcome, it's a long term part of your identity.... However people who study our social evolution will tell you that a group's culture goes a long way towards shaping a group's ability to go quickly past those short moments of natural xenophobia to overcome any long lasting prejudice. ]

Contrast the tribal xenophobia in the hinterlands of Pakistan with that of the Pauls, the Buchanans, the VDARE crowd.... One is good old honest hate for anyone other, and the other is genteely coated and voluminously worded dishonest bigotry....

45 Four More Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:07:26pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

Oh, and in case there's anyone out there who thinks being an eye doctor means you're more intelligent than the average politician, I submit the quote from Rand Paul on the last thread: "[...] they have seemed to unleash the loony left on me."

A person who can't tell "have seemed to" from "seem to have" is not fit to hold the pen that signs the laws.

Well at least they don't actually write them...

46 webevintage  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:07:53pm

hahahahahaha
Rand Paul Will Not — Repeat, NOT — Try To Overturn 1964 Civil Rights Act

"Any of you liberals going around now calling Rand Paul a “racist” must STOP STOP STOP. He is not a racist. That is a stupid way to waste all sorts of valid criticisms of Rand Paul. And there are so many, JESUS! During the NPR interview he said that he doesn’t think the Federal Government should ever tell private business what to do, but that he would’ve proudly marched with Martin Luther King Jr. during the Civil Rights movement. Robert Siegel responded (paraphrasing), “That’s nice but WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. WAS FUCKING MARCHING YOU FUCKING IDIOT? REMEMBER HOW HE GAVE HIS BIG FUCKING SPEECH IN WASHINGTON DC, ‘DREAM’? APPLYING POLITICAL PRESSURE? DEAR GOD.”

Read more at Wonkette: [Link: wonkette.com...]

47 allegro  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:10:28pm

I'm old enough to remember the segregated 50s in OK... the separate fountains, the movie theater I wasn't allowed to go to... but the one memory that stands out the clearest was something that happened when I was about 4 years old.

I was out playing in the yard and my show came untied. I HATED shoes under the best of circumstances, so having one untied and flopping around on my little foot was a terrible thing. My mom was inside the house and there were no other adults around to tie my shoe for me until the garbage collectors came. I waited by the curb until they get there and I asked one of the nice men if he would tie my shoe for me. I remember him hesitating an looking around nervously, but then he bent down and tied my shoe. I was so grateful! I thanked him and went about my play.

Soon after, my mom called me into the house, VERY angry. A couple of neighbors had even called to tell her about the incident, that a black man (not the word used, of course) had TOUCHED me. I heard my parents talking about it that night - my dad was like "so what?", my mom was freaked out because I had actually TALKED to that man and let him TOUCH my lily white foot! I was pissed about her anger, even at that tender age. He was a nice man who had helped me out when I needed it and to this day, I'm still grateful for it - even moreso knowing what I know now, what a risk it was for him to simply tie a little girl's freaking shoe.

I never saw that guy again. I've often prayed that he didn't lose his job or worse. FUCK YOU, Ron and Rand Paul for wanting a return to this.

48 Nick Morgan  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:10:30pm

re: #43 rwdflynavy

That is your opinion sugar tits!
//

Thank you... (curtsiying)...

49 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:10:54pm

re: #22 rwdflynavy

Hey,

Mel Gibson's father is a racist, that doesn't mean...

nevermind...

My mother was a racist... so watch out.

50 wrenchwench  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:11:16pm

re: #37 Charles

Talk about strange bedfellows. Robert Stacy McCain and Oliver Willis are having a fine old time together bashing me on Twitter.

I just came across that. Looks like they set each other off. Keep your head down as they shoot across at each other.

51 webevintage  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:11:32pm

Been fun watching the Rand Paul Apocalypse but i got to get ready and take the kid to work.
See ya!

52 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:11:33pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

Oh, and in case there's anyone out there who thinks being an eye doctor means you're more intelligent than the average politician, I submit the quote from Rand Paul on the last thread: "[...] they have seemed to unleash the loony left on me."

A person who can't tell "have seemed to" from "seem to have" is not fit to hold the pen that signs the laws.

He was trying for the anapest. Sound is more important than sense.

53 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:14:03pm

re: #35 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe Paul is getting advice from The Great Gazoo.

Doesn't really work. you can't call Ron and Rand Paul "Dumb-dumbs" (Gazoo's favored term for Fred and Barney). They are clearly smart, since idiots don't graduate from medical school. Their actions have to be put down to willful forms of stupidity.

54 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:14:48pm

Please note - the reality is that wanting to repeal the Civil Rights Act is a pretty standard position for libertarians. This didn't just come up out of nowhere. I've heard this kind of talk from the libertarian camp for many years.

55 Slap  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:15:32pm

I get quietly frustrated when I hear crap like this, all of the classic "old discriminated-against white male" martyr cookie poop.

When I hear people younger than 40 complain about affirmative action or reverse discrimination (and as an aside, whomever is responsible for birthing that execrable term should be personally introduced to defenestration), I'm sad but it's (mildly) tempered with the understanding that no one of that age has any memory of what it was really like, since they weren't around.

When I hear people over 50 complaining about affirmative action or reverse discrimination, I'm depressed. We were around, dammit. THIS WENT ON WHEN WE WERE YOUNG, AND WE FREAKING WITNESSED IT!!! And yet, we're to think that it should only take a half-century to eradicate not just racism, but the MEMORY of how bad it really was for the first three centuries of settlement here? Humans have the capacity for growth and change, but we're pretty resistant to it as a group....

Continued vigilance is necessary, sadly.

Sigh. Gonna go hug the missus.

56 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:16:21pm

re: #47 allegro

I'm old enough to remember the segregated 50s in OK... the separate fountains, the movie theater I wasn't allowed to go to... but the one memory that stands out the clearest was something that happened when I was about 4 years old.

I was out playing in the yard and my show came untied. I HATED shoes under the best of circumstances, so having one untied and flopping around on my little foot was a terrible thing. My mom was inside the house and there were no other adults around to tie my shoe for me until the garbage collectors came. I waited by the curb until they get there and I asked one of the nice men if he would tie my shoe for me. I remember him hesitating an looking around nervously, but then he bent down and tied my shoe. I was so grateful! I thanked him and went about my play.

Soon after, my mom called me into the house, VERY angry. A couple of neighbors had even called to tell her about the incident, that a black man (not the word used, of course) had TOUCHED me. I heard my parents talking about it that night - my dad was like "so what?", my mom was freaked out because I had actually TALKED to that man and let him TOUCH my lily white foot! I was pissed about her anger, even at that tender age. He was a nice man who had helped me out when I needed it and to this day, I'm still grateful for it - even moreso knowing what I know now, what a risk it was for him to simply tie a little girl's freaking shoe.

I never saw that guy again. I've often prayed that he didn't lose his job or worse. FUCK YOU, Ron and Rand Paul for wanting a return to this.

That's an eye-opening story. Thank you for sharing it.

57 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:16:37pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't really work. you can't call Ron and Rand Paul "Dumb-dumbs" (Gazoo's favored term for Fred and Barney). They are clearly smart, since idiots don't graduate from medical school. Their actions have to be put down to willful forms of stupidity.

There is a difference between intelligent and smart.

58 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:16:48pm

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

My mother was a racist... so watch out.

OK, I will watch out...

59 wrenchwench  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:18:00pm

Rand Paul won the nomination. Libertarians lost the ability to defend their positions for themselves. Their ideas have come out of the smoke-filled study and into the harsh light of a political campaign. I'm starting to have a hopeful feeling that the exposure will weaken them.

60 Gus  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:18:05pm

re: #54 Charles

Please note - the reality is that wanting to repeal the Civil Rights Act is a pretty standard position for libertarians. This didn't just come up out of nowhere. I've heard this kind of talk from the libertarian camp for many years.

Cast in point: Repeal '64.

Which of course is at the much touted Lew Rockwell site under the banner of the "libertarian" favorite, Ludwig von Mises Institute.

61 Stanghazi  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:18:19pm

re: #47 allegro

Down memory lane. I had a birthday party, 1st grade? Some neighborhood kids didn't come because there was a black girl there. Her mom had a convertible MG, we used to ride in it all the time and freak the neighbors out I guess.

62 Obdicut  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:19:01pm

re: #13 webevintage

Rand Paul in a letter to the Editor in 2002:
In a May 30, 2002, letter to the Bowling Green Daily News, Paul's hometown newspaper, he criticized the paper for endorsing the Fair Housing Act, and explained that "a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin." (Hat tip: Page One Kentucky.)
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

That is a great find.

63 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:19:24pm

re: #47 allegro

1. that was awesome
2. thought you wuz a dude...heh...sorry

64 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:19:43pm

re: #55 Slap

...snip
When I hear people younger than 40 complain about affirmative action or reverse discrimination (and as an aside, whomever is responsible for birthing that execrable term should be personally introduced to defenestration),

Became general usage after the Bakke case.

[Link: www.kansaspress.ku.edu...]

65 Nick Morgan  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:20:37pm

re: #47 allegro

Wow. I am speechless. Well told.

66 Gus  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:20:53pm

re: #62 Obdicut

That is a great find.

Argh. David Weigel is confusing the hell out me once again.

67 Nick Morgan  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:22:39pm

re: #65 Nick Morgan

Wow. I am speechless. Well told.

What I posted did not fully express what I thought. I can't...whatever.

68 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:22:50pm

re: #47 allegro

Interesting story.

My recollection is a bit different. Our garbage collection service was owned by a black man, Ezell is all I remember of his name.

We used to all wait around in the yard on garbage day, and we'd collect around Ezell's truck and talk to him in the driver's seat while his employees went about their business. He eventually had a fleet of trucks and a lot of employees and became a wealthy man, with his garbage collection business.

69 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:22:58pm

re: #46 webevintage

Speaking of Martin Luther King and his speech in Washington...let's not forget that Glenn Beck will be holding a rally in that same spot this summer...maybe Rand Paul will make a cameo.

70 Fozzie Bear  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:23:13pm

re: #47 allegro

This is the kind of story people need to hear. This is our history. I have but one dinger with which to upding, but had I more, I would ding until dawn.

71 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:24:55pm

re: #69 darthstar

Speaking of Martin Luther King and his speech in Washington...let's not forget that Glenn Beck will be holding a rally in that same spot this summer...maybe Rand Paul will make a cameo.

I'm sure his "Everyone is Hitler and don't forget to buy gold" speach will be a high point in American history.

72 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:25:56pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Cast in point: Repeal '64.

Which of course is at the much touted Lew Rockwell site under the banner of the "libertarian" favorite, Ludwig von Mises Institute.

Mises must be spinning in his grave at the way Rockwell abuses his name and memory.

73 Four More Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:25:57pm

OT: Ben Nelson is unfamiliar with ATM fees because he’s never used an ATM.

“I’ve never used an ATM, so I don’t know what the fees are,” Nelson said, adding that he gets his cash from bank tellers, just not automatic ones. “It’s true, I don’t know how to use one.” “But I could learn how to do it just like I’ve…I swipe to get my own gas, buy groceries. I know about the holograms.”


Why... just... fuck..

WHY DO WE HAVE PEOPLE SO GODDAMN OUT OF TOUCH RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?!?

74 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:26:04pm

re: #54 Charles

Please note - the reality is that wanting to repeal the Civil Rights Act is a pretty standard position for libertarians. This didn't just come up out of nowhere. I've heard this kind of talk from the libertarian camp for many years.

and further, a fairly standard conservative intellectual position in the 60's...see Buckley, et al. before he let his moral self break through and speak to his intellectual self.

the sooner we conservatives can stare that in the face, own it and denounce it rather than deny it, the better. unfortunately, we don't seem to be trending in the correct direction at the moment...pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificatur nomen tuum...adveniat regnum tuum...

(sorry, Cato...i probably misspelled a few of those)

75 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:26:34pm

Rand Paul Made Same Racial Comments in 2002

In a May 30, 2002 letter to the editor of the Bowling Green Daily News about the Federal Fair Housing Act, Rand Paul made his beliefs about legalized discrimination quite clear.

Here are some excerpts from his letter headlined “Distinction blurred between private, public property”:

A recent Daily News editorial supported the Federal Fair Housing Act. At first glance, who could object to preventing discrimination in housing? Most citizens would agree that it is wrong to deny taxpayer-financed, “public” housing to anyone based on the color of their skin or the number of children in the household.

But the Daily News ignores, as does the Fair Housing Act, the distinction between private and public property. Should it be prohibited for public, taxpayer-financed institutions such as schools to reject someone based on an individual’s beliefs or attributes? Most certainly. Should it be prohibited for private entities such as a church, bed and breakfast or retirement neighborhood that doesn’t want noisy children? Absolutely not.

Decisions concerning private property and associations should in a free society be unhindered. As a consequence, some associations will discriminate.

-SNIP-

A free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination – even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin.

He’s on the record being in support of the right of individuals and businesses to openly discriminate against people – and violate their basic human rights.

76 Slap  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:26:55pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

Excellent. I'll forward the data to the defenestration experts....

Silly me -- based on all my reading instruction from very young, I always thought that "discrimination" was itself a multidirectional term that did not require modifiers such as "forward", "reverse" or "4WD".

Thanks for the info, though -- I always wondered where the hell it came from.

77 allegro  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:27:30pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

That's an eye-opening story. Thank you for sharing it.

That was reality back then. It was also my first direct experience with "one who was not white" due to segregation. Fortunately, it was one that was a very pleasant one and that taught me that the racist bullshit I heard was just that. I never believed any of it after that sweet man tied my shoe. I know that may sound dumb, but experiences like that for a little kid can make huge differenced in our perception through life. I credit him for that.

78 brookly red  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:27:45pm

re: #73 JasonA

OT: Ben Nelson is unfamiliar with ATM fees because he’s never used an ATM.


Why... just... fuck..

WHY DO WE HAVE PEOPLE SO GODDAMN OUT OF TOUCH RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?!?

because we keep voting for them?

79 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:27:47pm

re: #73 JasonA

OT: Ben Nelson is unfamiliar with ATM fees because he’s never used an ATM.


Why... just... fuck..

WHY DO WE HAVE PEOPLE SO GODDAMN OUT OF TOUCH RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?!?

But..but..he knows about the holograms.

80 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:28:09pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm sure his "Everyone is Hitler and don't forget to buy gold" speech will be a high point in American history.

The Texas State School Board will try to make it such a high point, maybe even mandating it be memorized.

/Not really kidding, since McLeroy's nuts enough to try that.

81 allegro  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:28:26pm

re: #63 Aceofwhat?

1. that was awesome
2. thought you wuz a dude...heh...sorry

Thank you. No, I am a proud Vagina-American.

82 Four More Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:29:10pm

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But..but..he knows about the holograms.

Great. He knows about the effin holograms. Let's see if he's ever heard of a CVV2...

83 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:30:11pm

re: #82 JasonA

Great. He knows about the effin holograms. Let's see if he's ever heard of a CVV2...

Who the hell studies Roman numerals anymore?

/

84 allegro  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:30:14pm

re: #68 reine.de.tout

He eventually had a fleet of trucks and a lot of employees and became a wealthy man, with his garbage collection business.

I hope my guy went on to see such success - he sure deserved it!

85 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:30:15pm
86 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:30:17pm

Today's Alabama Election News--Interview of a local candidate for sheriff:

Thompson, 56, said he has experience running for public office after he unsuccessfully ran for sheriff in the mid 1990s. If elected Thompson said he too would make a few changes.

“I’d like to get rid of the Taser. They’re just jumping on everybody out here for no reason. Well, some of it’s reasonable,” he said. “I never worked in law enforcement, but I been kicked and stomped and tased.”

87 Stanghazi  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:30:27pm

re: #66 Gus 802

Argh. David Weigel is confusing the hell out me once again.

The prolific twitterer has been quiet the last hour. The "is Clyburn a civil rights icon?" tweet was probably one too many. dick

89 Four More Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:30:52pm

re: #82 JasonA

Great. He knows about the effin holograms. Let's see if he's ever heard of a CVV2...

Next thing you know he'll be logging onto AOL!

90 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:31:08pm

re: #47 allegro

Children really do have to be taught prejudice. When I was in kindergarten, also back in the 50s, my best friend was a black classmate named Phillip. I remember specifically that we aware of the difference in skin tone but it was no more significant to us than my being taller.
I can barely remember an incident in which a white woman yelled at us for being in her backyard and specifically berated me for bringing a little n***** into her yard. I knew we shouldn't have been in her yard but I did not understand how Phillip's skin color made it worse or why a grown-up would use bad language to a little boy (my parents had taught me that the "n-word" was a plain obscenity and I would meet the rough side of my father's dress belt if they heard me use it.)

91 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:31:23pm

re: #73 JasonA

OT: Ben Nelson is unfamiliar with ATM fees because he’s never used an ATM.


Why... just... fuck..

WHY DO WE HAVE PEOPLE SO GODDAMN OUT OF TOUCH RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?!?

I don't read ThinkProgress... Maybe I should start, I didn't know they were into such hard hitting issue oriented journalism. That website certainly seems a step up from my daily dose of TMZ.

92 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:31:37pm
93 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:32:35pm

re: #82 JasonA

Great. He knows about the effin holograms. Let's see if he's ever heard of a CVV2...

Oh, and apparently when he said hologram, he meant barcodes

94 Obdicut  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:32:36pm

re: #77 allegro

My father very openly credits the CRA with making him less racist-- he doesn't claim to be completely post-racial, though I think he is-- because it meant that he, and other people like him, would have more contact in normal settings-- work, school, etc-- with blacks, and that contact and familiarity breeds, rather than contempt, tolerance.

95 Fozzie Bear  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:33:05pm

re: #87 Stanley Sea

The prolific twitterer has been quiet the last hour. The "is Clyburn a civil rights icon?" tweet was probably one too many. dick

Twitter is in my opinion the dumbest idea yet birthed by the internet. Nothing that is really worth saying can be said in 140 characters.

96 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:33:06pm

re: #73 JasonA

And about when people who understand ATM machines get elected Senator the technology will shift to direct though control and the Senate will refuse to pass legislation concerning thought-based withdrawl fees...

"And soon I shall have understanding of video cassette recorders and car telephones. And when I have understanding of them, I shall have understanding of computers. And when I have understanding of computers, I shall be the Supreme Being!" - Evil _Time Bandits_

Senator Nelson appears to be lagging behind...

97 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:33:43pm

re: #85 darthstar

OT, but what the hell...Cool turkey pic--duelling Toms--a friend of mine took in her yard.

Are their names Ron and Rand?

98 Cheechako  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:34:20pm

Slightly OT but this is an article everyone should read:

Why Voters Will Get a Lot Angrier

I like the last couple of sentences:

The winners in November will be the incumbents when that earthquake hits. They want to take government back? They can have it.

99 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:34:25pm

re: #97 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are their names Ron and Rand?

No, those are Jive Turkeys, not Toms. Its a common mistake.

100 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:34:42pm

re: #84 allegro

I hope my guy went on to see such success - he sure deserved it!

Yes, indeed, as did Ezell.

101 brookly red  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:34:50pm

re: #95 Fozzie Bear

Twitter is in my opinion the dumbest idea yet birthed by the internet. Nothing that is really worth saying can be said in 140 characters.

/of course it can... often it can be said with a single gesture, yes?

102 Four More Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:35:09pm

re: #88 reine.de.tout

Compare the size of the oil spill to the size of your city

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

I don't read ThinkProgress... Maybe I should start, I didn't know they were into such hard hitting issue oriented journalism. That website certainly seems a step up from my daily dose of TMZ.

Or maybe you could stop being a dick? Just a suggestion. You are on a political blog that features nightly comic-book covers, after all.

103 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:35:44pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Rand Paul Made Same Racial Comments in 2002

The advocates of a return to legal segregation on private property would like to pretend that times have changed and nobody but the occasional yahoo would actually exercise this newly revived right to exclude whole groups of people. This could be plain wishful thinking but is probably outright deceit.

104 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:35:58pm

re: #102 JasonA

Any reason you quoted me too, or was that just a mistake?

105 Four More Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:36:12pm

re: #102 JasonA

Reine, you shouldn't be in that response.

106 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:36:31pm

re: #85 darthstar

OT, but what the hell...Cool turkey pic--duelling Toms--a friend of mine took in her yard.

Better caption: Tonight's dinner fights tomorrow's dinner.

107 Kragar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:36:49pm

Isn't that just like Reine to butt in like that?

/kidding

108 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:36:57pm

re: #104 reine.de.tout

Any reason you quoted me too, or was that just a mistake?

I'm guessing it was a mistake...I've done the same before, where I click quote on one post, and then see something else that really gets me wanting to reply, so I reply to that without deleting the first.

109 Slap  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:37:01pm

re: #95 Fozzie Bear

Well, that entire entry was 137.

Point taken and seconded, nonetheless.....

110 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:37:06pm

re: #95 Fozzie Bear

Twitter is in my opinion the dumbest idea yet birthed by the internet. Nothing that is really worth saying can be said in 140 characters.

I found it very useful during the Iran elections.
Some twitterers simply posted several tweets in a row to finish saying whatever they needed/wanted to say.
It has its uses.

111 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:37:18pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

I don't read ThinkProgress... Maybe I should start, I didn't know they were into such hard hitting issue oriented journalism. That website certainly seems a step up from my daily dose of TMZ.

And one wonders how the American public can elect and cater to the politicians we have, when at the same time we have articles about public officials who don't know how to use the ATM. The public in general is so easily satisfied by this tripe... amazing.

112 allegro  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:37:27pm

re: #94 Obdicut

My father very openly credits the CRA with making him less racist-- he doesn't claim to be completely post-racial, though I think he is-- because it meant that he, and other people like him, would have more contact in normal settings-- work, school, etc-- with blacks, and that contact and familiarity breeds, rather than contempt, tolerance.

That is exactly why the CRA was so important and effective. The fact that R. Paul (either) is too blinded by their own hatred to see this tells me everything I need to know.

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:37:28pm

Fox News shills for racial discrimination....
John Stossel defends Rand Paul and business right to discriminate

I think this just might be the end of the line for Tea Parties, fox news, et al. This is just not palatable to the average modern American. It might be game over.

114 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:37:36pm

re: #108 darthstar

I'm guessing it was a mistake...I've done the same before, where I click quote on one post, and then see something else that really gets me wanting to reply, so I reply to that without deleting the first.

I've done it too; so I'm just checking.

115 Stanghazi  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:37:48pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

I found it very useful during the Iran elections.
Some twitterers simply posted several tweets in a row to finish saying whatever they needed/wanted to say.
It has its uses.

I agree. I use it to keep up on breaking news.

116 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:38:07pm

re: #102 JasonA

Or maybe you could stop being a dick? Just a suggestion. You are on a political blog that features nightly comic-book covers, after all.

Tough shit, Sherlock. And are you making fun of Charles comic book threads?

117 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:38:07pm

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, those are Jive Turkeys, not Toms. Its a common mistake.

I speak Jive!

118 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:38:07pm

re: #105 JasonA

Reine, you shouldn't be in that response.

OK.
:-)
Just wonderin'

119 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:38:54pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Isn't that just like Reine to butt in like that?

/kidding

Oh, har-de-har-har.

120 Four More Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:39:06pm

re: #116 Walter L. Newton

Tough shit, Sherlock. And are you making fun of Charles comic book threads?

Not at all, asshole. Just pointing out that not everything has to be so important.

121 Renaissance_Man  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:39:37pm

re: #95 Fozzie Bear

Twitter is in my opinion the dumbest idea yet birthed by the internet. Nothing that is really worth saying can be said in 140 characters.

Holy shit, yes. There is nobody on this earth whose life I find so fascinating that I need to be kept updated on their every thought or action. 'Having a sandwich.' 'Just saw this funny pic lol.' 'Taking a dump.'

The ability to constantly express every single thought that flashes through someone's mind is not a good one. A significant percentage of the thoughts I have every day are illegal, insane, pornographic, incoherent, or just mind-blowingly stupid. Why someone would want to share their mindlessness and immortalise it for everyone to see is beyond me.

122 windsagio  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:40:18pm

re: #7 Locker

It's not that I can't understand or appreciate the argument of private property vs civil rights...

"Protection of property rights" was the main thing the South said they were fighting for in the Civil War.

123 Obdicut  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:40:43pm

re: #121 Renaissance_Man

It's a good form for a lot of Emily Dickinson poetry. And zen koans. That's about all.

124 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:40:45pm

re: #102 JasonA

Or maybe you could stop being a dick? Just a suggestion. You are on a political blog that features nightly comic-book covers, after all.

re: #116 Walter L. Newton

Tough shit, Sherlock. And are you making fun of Charles comic book threads?

re: #120 JasonA

Not at all, asshole. Just pointing out that not everything has to be so important.


You two are in danger of looking like this.

125 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:41:00pm

re: #121 Renaissance_Man

Inflated self-importance?

126 Renaissance_Man  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:41:08pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Fox News shills for racial discrimination...
John Stossel defends Rand Paul and business right to discriminate

[Video]I think this just might be the end of the line for Tea Parties, fox news, et al. This is just not palatable to the average modern American. It might be game over.

You greatly underestimate the power a cult can have over someone's moral and logical processes.

127 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:41:09pm

re: #121 Renaissance_Man

Holy shit, yes. There is nobody on this earth whose life I find so fascinating that I need to be kept updated on their every thought or action. 'Having a sandwich.' 'Just saw this funny pic lol.' 'Taking a dump.'

The ability to constantly express every single thought that flashes through someone's mind is not a good one. A significant percentage of the thoughts I have every day are illegal, insane, pornographic, incoherent, or just mind-blowingly stupid. Why someone would want to share their mindlessness and immortalise it for everyone to see is beyond me.

Agree with you on this, as well as those folks who use Facebook the same way.
ugh.

However, twitter does have its uses:

re: #110 reine.de.tout

I found it very useful during the Iran elections.
Some twitterers simply posted several tweets in a row to finish saying whatever they needed/wanted to say.
It has its uses.

128 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:42:34pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Fox News shills for racial discrimination...
John Stossel defends Rand Paul and business right to discriminate

[Video]I think this just might be the end of the line for Tea Parties, fox news, et al. This is just not palatable to the average modern American. It might be game over.

I hate it when she gets to play "Sane Cop".

129 windsagio  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:42:52pm

re: #124 darthstar

's just Walters newest crush >>

130 darthstar  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:45:30pm

re: #121 Renaissance_Man

Holy shit, yes. There is nobody on this earth whose life I find so fascinating that I need to be kept updated on their every thought or action. 'Having a sandwich.' 'Just saw this funny pic lol.' 'Taking a dump.'

The ability to constantly express every single thought that flashes through someone's mind is not a good one. A significant percentage of the thoughts I have every day are illegal, insane, pornographic, incoherent, or just mind-blowingly stupid. Why someone would want to share their mindlessness and immortalise it for everyone to see is beyond me.

I took a dump a few minutes ago. It looked just like Rand Paul's chances of winning.

131 Gus  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:46:38pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Fox News shills for racial discrimination...
John Stossel defends Rand Paul and business right to discriminate

[Video]I think this just might be the end of the line for Tea Parties, fox news, et al. This is just not palatable to the average modern American. It might be game over.

Stossel's an idiot. Private restaurants and other places of business benefit from public infrastructure: i.e. roads, sewer, water, fire department, law enforcement, etc. They have no right to discriminate since they benefit from this. Stossel's point would only make sense if these private entities were essentially "off the grid."

132 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:47:17pm

re: #126 Renaissance_Man

You greatly underestimate the power a cult can have over someone's moral and logical processes.

wha...? the average American is under the sway of the evil Fox News cult?

133 gehazi  Thu, May 20, 2010 1:49:58pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Cast in point: Repeal '64.

Which of course is at the much touted Lew Rockwell site under the banner of the "libertarian" favorite, Ludwig von Mises Institute.

Wow, that is toxic. I'd read some of his stuff before, but nothing so...naked.

134 davesax  Thu, May 20, 2010 2:02:35pm

re: #54 Charles

Charles:

The thing that's really disturbing is you have been on Ron Paul for awhile now. I'm glad that Maddow finally called out his son, but really, where has the mainstream media been on this creep? I remember that TNR article from 2008. Even after that, Paul was on news shows (including Maddow) and was barely challenged.

Or, am I remembering wrong?

135 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 20, 2010 2:04:57pm

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