Rand Paul: Obama’s Criticism of BP is ‘Un-American’

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Today Rand Paul said that President Obama’s criticism of British Petroleum is “un-American,” because after all, “accidents happen.”

Yes, really.

Taking another unconventional stand, Kentucky’s Republican Senate nominee Rand Paul criticized President Barack Obama’s handling of the Gulf oil spill Friday as putting “his boot heel on the throat of BP” and “really un-American.”

[…]

“What I don’t like from the president’s administration is this sort of, ‘I’ll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,’” Paul said in an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America.” “I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business.”

[…]

“And I think it’s part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it’s always got to be somebody’s fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen,” Paul said.

How’s that Tea Party mandate working out for you, GOP?

Rand Paul is the unrestrained id of the far right, and a wonderful gift to the Democratic Party.

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366 comments
1 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:51:28am

I can only hope that after the general election Rachael can run a segment "Why Rand Paul No Longer Matters" as in a major electoral defeat. Which despite Rasmussen BS I would bet a fine dinner on. Gonna be a big loss.

2 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:52:27am

It's pretty un-american not to be pissed at BP after the fiasco in the Gulf, he's got to do the knee jerk defense of them however because they are a private company not subject to questioning in Libertarian eyes....

3 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:54:01am

re: #2 Thanos

It's pretty un-american not to be pissed at BP after the fiasco in the Gulf, he's got to do the knee jerk defense of them however because they are a private company not subject to questioning in Libertarian eyes...

Zing! Good one Thanos!

4 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:54:11am

In Rand's anarcho capitalist cloud cuckoo land rapacious companies like BP rule the world instead of elected governments...

5 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:56:04am

Got yer un-American for ya right here, Rand.

6 steve-b  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:56:25am

This is what happens when a political party lets the outpatients run things....

7 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:56:54am

Meanwhile in the Gulf States the anger is rising...

[Link: www.npr.org...]

8 comradebillyboy  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:25am

What ever happened to the idea that individuals and institutions were responsible for their actions, even if accidental? After all its not Obama's oil spill, its not the public's spill, its BP's spill and therefore, BP's responsibility. When did the irresponsible and catastrophic consequences of a business' bad behavior become off limits to critical comment?

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:30am

re: #4 Thanos

In Rand's anarcho capitalist cloud cuckoo land rapacious companies like BP rule the world instead of elected governments...

He also needs to make the Tea Parties feel good about him again. Calling the President unAmerican is the easiest way to do that.

10 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:41am

“What I don’t like from the president’s administration is this sort of, ‘I’ll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,’” Paul said in an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America.” “I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business.”

Yes, Rand. Obama should totally just ask BP nicely if they could be so kind and magnanimous to maybe PLUG THE FUCKING HOLE IN THE OCEAN FLOOR THEY MADE.

11 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:50am

Accidents do happen, Rand-Boy.

If your tree falls on my car, that's an accident.

You're still liable.

12 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:58:23am

Don't be so hard on him. Ignorant fuckheads need to be represented in Congress too (See Peter King, Steve King, Michelle Bachman, et al)

13 researchok  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:58:47am

The good news is that Rand Paul with author his own irrelevance.

14 steve-b  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:59:00am

re: #2 Thanos

re: #7 Thanos

Meanwhile in the Gulf States the anger is rising...

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Those commie pinko un-American yokels!

15 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:59:11am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

He also needs to make the Tea Parties feel good about him again. Calling the President unAmerican is the easiest way to do that.

Yep, it takes the conversation away from Civil Rights...

16 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:59:18am

Just passed the 1000 karma point buffer. Thank you... :bows:

17 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:59:32am

re: #12 PT Barnum

Don't be so hard on him. Ignorant fuckheads need to be represented in Congress too (See Peter King, Steve King, Michelle Bachman, et al)

Even Michelle Bachman isn't stupid enough to openly oppose the Civil Rights Act.

18 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:00:15am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Even Michelle Bachman isn't stupid enough to openly oppose the Civil Rights Act.

true...but she did get her picture taken with Oily Taint..that ought to qualify her as a dipshit if nothing else does.

19 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:00:46am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

He also needs to make the Tea Parties feel good about him again. Calling the President unAmerican is the easiest way to do that.

The GOP and the Tea Partiers have a Rand problem. Even if his stupidity plays with the base, I have to hope the rational right, the left and middle will reject his politics. If so, that could further label the GOP as the extreme party.

20 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:01:35am

Un-American? Christ, he sounds like Sarah Fucking Palin.

21 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:01:37am

re: #18 PT Barnum

true...but she did get her picture taken with Oily Taint..that ought to qualify her as a dipshit if nothing else does.

Speaking of Oily Taters:
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

22 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:01:41am

re: #16 PT Barnum

Just passed the 1000 karma point buffer. Thank you... :bows:

Hell, I've done that both ways.:)

23 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:02:03am

The democrats for November should run an ad that consists of nothing but the GOPers screaming drill baby drill juxtaposed with news footage of the oil spill and the resulting economic and ecological damage.

24 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:03:07am

re: #22 avanti

Hell, I've done that both ways.:)

I've generally not gotten a ton of downdings except for the time I suggested that Sarah Palin take part in an auto de fe, but that was a poor attempt at a pun (we were talking about Joan of Arc at the time)

25 reidr  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:03:52am

I think it's time to start donating to candidates again.... I don't know anything about Paul's D opponent, but I like him a lot.

26 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:04:13am

Does Racism Run in the Paul Family?

(May 21) -- As the pundits continue to chew over Rand Paul's comments about the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it's worth noting that it's not the first time a Paul family member has been accused of racism.

During his successful race for the the Republican nomination for Kentucky's Senate seat, much was made of Rand Paul's political lineage -- his father is Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), known for his strong libertarian positions. But in 2008, as the elder Paul was making his bid for the GOP presidential nomination, another aspect of his beliefs drew attention when the New Republic exposed the congressman's own troubling "bigoted past." The latest revelations on his son, then, beg the question: Is it not only libertarianism that runs in the family, but racism too?

For the New Republic piece, reporter James Kirchick poured over newsletters Ron Paul had put out monthly beginning in 1978, which include "Ron Paul's Freedom Report," "Ron Paul Political Report," and "The Ron Paul Survival Report." They yielded many freighted passages.

From the June 1992 issue of Ron Paul Political Report, which appeared after the Los Angeles riots: "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began." A newsletter from the previous year offered this headline for a report on racial disturbances in a Washington, D.C., neighborhood: "Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo." The newsletters also belittled Martin Luther King, Jr. -- "We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day" -- and praised David Duke.

[snip]

27 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:04:20am

You've got to be FUCKING KIDDING ME!

28 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:04:33am

I would think that criticizing BP is more "anti British" than "anti American." I guess rp majored in something other than geography ...

29 reidr  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:05:32am

re: #16 PT Barnum

Just passed the 1000 karma point buffer. Thank you... :bows:

Congrats! And now my question: I hate to seem like a maroon, but how do you see your karma? And other things like comment history, etc.?

30 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:05:43am

hehe. the dude has mad political skilz

31 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:06:03am

re: #29 reidr

Congrats! And now my question: I hate to seem like a maroon, but how do you see your karma? And other things like comment history, etc.?

Left click on your avatar.

32 Randy W. Weeks  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:06:42am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Even Michelle Bachman isn't stupid enough to openly oppose the Civil Rights Act.

She's probably never heard of it.

Palin/Paul 2012!

33 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:06:43am

re: #28 _RememberTonyC

I would think that criticizing BP is more "anti British" than "anti American." I guess rp majored in something other than geography ...

When "drill, baby drill" replaces "E Pluribus Unum" on our coinage, then criticizing foreign energy companies for fucking up our Gulf will be 'un-American' but not before that.

34 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:07:23am

re: #23 PT Barnum

The democrats for November should run an ad that consists of nothing but the GOPers screaming drill baby drill juxtaposed with news footage of the oil spill and the resulting economic and ecological damage.

Potentially effective for votes, but not the way I'd like our country's politics to run. I'd much prefer to actually see campaigns based on an open discussion towards potential (and proposed) solutions to our country's ills (and find out what the candidates views of what the ills consist of) than the pandering and demagoguery that our current system thrives on.

Oh yeah, I also want a trip to Europe... :p

35 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:08:08am

re: #34 oaktree


Oh yeah, I also want a trip to Europe... :p

Just put a profile up on rentboy.com.

36 tnguitarist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:08:13am

Why is it that a lot of these guys think that individuals should be responsible for themselves, but not corporations? Aren't corporations individuals now?

37 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:09:01am

re: #33 darthstar

When "drill, baby drill" replaces "E Pluribus Unum" on our coinage, then criticizing foreign energy companies for fucking up our Gulf will be 'un-American' but not before that.

"Drill Baby Drill" would probably be a much more truthful statement on our coins than "E Pluribus Unum" since that phrase certainly doesn't speak truth any more.

38 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:09:11am

re: #24 PT Barnum

I've generally not gotten a ton of downdings except for the time I suggested that Sarah Palin take part in an auto de fe, but that was a poor attempt at a pun (we were talking about Joan of Arc at the time)

I got a lot of mine in support of AGW early on. In fairness, the bulk of them came from Taxfreekiller's down dings for me saying "Good morning Lizards"

39 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:01am

re: #38 avanti

I got a lot of mine in support of AGW early on. In fairness, the bulk of them came from Taxfreekiller's down dings for me saying "Good morning Lizards"

Fuck you Avanti... give me credit where credit is due, dammit :)

40 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:07am

Did I just get a pop-up window off of LGF? Did a gorram pop-up window just fly up on my screen despite my pop-up blocker?

I turned off AdBlock because you asked me to, Charles, but if I start getting pop-ups here, it's going back on.

Just sayin'.

41 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:18am

I wrote a big rant about what a fucktard Dr. Paul is and then lost it due to wonky things the pacman sound from the googles that keeps playing on my computer.
Like I said yesterday, fuck Rand Paul.

"It is true that sometime accidents happen! It is also true that there is a concept that lies between “active, malicious attempts to harm” and “unpreventable events that could never be foreseen.” It is into this realm that the legal concept known as “negligence” falls, a concept that is pretty well established in American law. One of the most common situations in which this legal concept might be important is one in which a company involved in resource extraction fails to minimize the risk of an accident, because doing so would cut into said company’s profits, and as a result people die."

[Link: wonkette.com...]

42 Jaerik  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:24am

re: #29 reidr

Congrats! And now my question: I hate to seem like a maroon, but how do you see your karma? And other things like comment history, etc.?

Amusingly, Sarah Palin took this line too a couple weeks ago. Saying the problem wasn't intrinsic environment dangers of oil drilling. It was those damn foreigners! American companies, that real Americans work for, would never let such a thing happen.

Of course, her husband was employed by BP for 18 years.

43 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:28am

re: #35 darthstar

Just put a profile up on rentboy.com.

Trust the Bro-ho to know.

44 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:50am

re: #12 PT Barnum

Don't be so hard on him. Ignorant fuckheads need to be represented in Congress too (See Peter King, Steve King, Michelle Bachman, et al)

No thanks, I'll pass.

Rand Paul has destroyed his senate career and I won't be eating those words.

45 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:53am

Ron Paul 2's kneejerk tendency to defend businesses no matter what is even more stupid than proggies' kneejerk tendency to blame them. RP2 is the antiproggie

47 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:09am

re: #38 avanti

I got a lot of mine in support of AGW early on. In fairness, the bulk of them came from Taxfreekiller's down dings for me saying "Good morning Lizards"

LOL
I told a Grateful Dead Joke once a couple of years ago...Boy oh boy it was like Hellfire missiles raining down...
I don't tell Dead head jokes anymore :)

48 reidr  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:17am

re: #31 PT Barnum

Left click on your avatar.

Thanks. I can't believe I've never tried that. That was indeed maroonish.

49 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:20am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Fuck you Avanti... give me credit where credit is due, dammit :)

"THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT" :)

50 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:41am

re: #41 webevintage

I wrote a big rant about what a fucktard Dr. Paul is and then lost it due to wonky things the pacman sound from the googles that keeps playing on my computer.
Like I said yesterday, fuck Rand Paul.

"It is true that sometime accidents happen! It is also true that there is a concept that lies between “active, malicious attempts to harm” and “unpreventable events that could never be foreseen.” It is into this realm that the legal concept known as “negligence” falls, a concept that is pretty well established in American law. One of the most common situations in which this legal concept might be important is one in which a company involved in resource extraction fails to minimize the risk of an accident, because doing so would cut into said company’s profits, and as a result people die."

[Link: wonkette.com...]

The Google logo this weekend is an armed, live mini game of pac man, if you close out their search page that pac man stuff should go away?

51 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:13:02am

re: #40 Cato the Elder

Did I just get a pop-up window off of LGF? Did a gorram pop-up window just fly up on my screen despite my pop-up blocker?

I turned off AdBlock because you asked me to, Charles, but if I start getting pop-ups here, it's going back on.

Just sayin'.

Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue.

52 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:13:40am

An accident is knocking over a soda or not judging braking distance right. Several years of misleading impact statements, negligent safety practices and a collosal failure in providing the disaster relief promised is NOT A FUCKING ACCIDENT.

53 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:14:05am

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

An accident is knocking over a soda or not judging braking distance right. Several years of misleading impact statements, negligent safety practices and a collosal failure in providing the disaster relief promised is NOT A FUCKING ACCIDENT.

Accidents don't just happen. They must be carelessly planned.

54 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:14:49am

One of the scarier things about the Pauls is that they make Sarah Palin seem very attractive in comparison.

55 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:14:58am

re: #46 NJDhockeyfan

Palin, Dobson must repudiate Rand Paul or accept his extremism

LMFAO

I don't think Palin or Dobson could possibly be considered more extreme regardless of who they associate with. What planet does Gerson live on?

56 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:15:26am

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Accidents don't just happen. They must be carelessly planned.

"I swear to God, I thought I was just gonna fart."

57 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:15:36am

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Accidents don't just happen. They must be carelessly planned.

OK, playing Walter here, what if the rig was struck by a meteor ?

58 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:15:40am

re: #50 Thanos

The Google logo this weekend is an armed, live mini game of pac man, if you close out their search page that pac man stuff should go away?

Nope, won't go away even with google closed.
I'm just turning off the speakers...but it is quite annoying.

59 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:16:22am

re: #23 PT Barnum

The democrats for November should run an ad that consists of nothing but the GOPers screaming drill baby drill juxtaposed with news footage of the oil spill and the resulting economic and ecological damage.

In the southern states, they should show footage of what is was like prior to the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the ADA.

I was just over at Maddow's blog. The level of hatred towards her over these videos is deep. The number of people who agree with the Drs. Paul is astounding. Or maybe its just that the interwebs always seems to bring racists out of the woodwork.

60 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:16:26am

re: #57 avanti

OK, playing Walter here, what if the rig was struck by a meteor ?

What kind of meteor?

61 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:16:36am

re: #58 webevintage

What browser?

62 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:16:54am

"DCBryan1" is the poor freeper who started the whole "illegal alien shooter" narrative that has taken over the far right's coverage of the West Memphis police shootings. He is backpeddling hard now, under a barrage of cross-examination and recrimination.
To be fair, DC only reported what he had heard on the police scanner during the chaos immediately after the shootings, and others ran (for the border?) with it.

63 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:17:01am

I am reminded of the chatter on the rightwing blogs when GM was bailed out, and the subsequent recalls and problems Toyota had. I remember being stunned that, so easily, purported patriots were actively panning a domestic manufacture and cheering for and defending Toyota, because in their eyes GM was now 'government owned', and thus they wanted it to fail and a foreign corporation to successfully defend itself from 'the government'.

Similarly, when this spill first happened, the first reaction of the wingnuts was to blame the government. Now their next reaction is to defend BP, not because it's innocent, but because 'the government is attacking it'. They care not what alliances they have to make (Stormfront, etc.), they care not what practices they have to defend, as long as it is in some way an opponent of what they hate.

BP doesn't have to run public relations damage control - the prevailing dogma will do it for them.

I fervently hope that, somehow, despite all evidence to the contrary, this rampant stupidity gets exposed at the polling booth.

64 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:17:59am

re: #57 avanti

OK, playing Walter here, what if the rig was struck by a meteor ?

I was making a joke with that comment... it was not a serious statement.

65 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:18:21am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Trust the Bro-ho to know.

Whoa...let's not let that new nickname get traction, please. I'm no bro-ho, trust me. Now, when I was single I will admit that I was quite the slut, but I'm happily married now, and my fantasies are limited to my 'safe' loves: Catherine Deneuve, Mimi Rogers, Sandra Bullock, Annette Bening...

66 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:18:52am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What kind of meteor?

Is it an African meteor, or a European meteor?

67 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:18:55am
Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said Maddow’s inquiry was a “gotcha question.” "If I'm walking down the street minding my own business and somebody sticks a microphone under my nose about a law that was passed 40 years ago, without more detail -- I think it probably caught him a little bit by surprise," Cornyn said in Paul’s defense.

OMGZ! How dare she ask him about something he has spewed a number of times but no one was really paying attention.
Intellectual terrorist!!!111!!!!
/

So it is Maddow's fault that Dr. Paul is a fucktard and has a hard time defending his ridiculous ideas. Plus he went on her show, there was no ambush involved.

68 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:18:58am

Fuck you, BP and Rand.

69 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:19:13am

re: #61 Obdicut

What browser?

Firefox

70 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:20:06am

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

Oh a positive note, a Fish and Game officer was the one who rammed the van-- that shows some nice interagency cooperation.

71 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:20:07am

re: #46 NJDhockeyfan

Palin, Dobson must repudiate Rand Paul or accept his extremism

If any of those people (Palin, Dobson, DeMint) renounce Rand Paul, I will be exceedingly surprised.

Not gonna happen.

72 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:20:15am

re: #46 NJDhockeyfan

Palin, Dobson must repudiate Rand Paul or accept his extremism

Great article, and great read

73 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:20:42am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What kind of meteor?

Big ass iron one. BTW, on the upside Walter would be selling "Rare BP meteorite fragments" I think the ones that hit shit are worth more.

74 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:20:46am

re: #66 cliffster

Is it an African meteor, or a European meteor?

It was a Rand Paul meteor....Falling at great speed while on fire

75 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:20:53am

re: #66 cliffster

Is it an African meteor, or a European meteor?

Since a meteor is an object that has entered our atmosphere but has yet "landed" or reached earth, it couldn't be African, European or what ever, since we have no places with those names in outer space.

76 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:21:01am

re: #58 webevintage

Nope, won't go away even with google closed.
I'm just turning off the speakers...but it is quite annoying.

There's always that reboot thing....

77 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:21:06am

re: #24 PT Barnum

I've generally not gotten a ton of downdings except for the time I suggested that Sarah Palin take part in an auto de fe, but that was a poor attempt at a pun (we were talking about Joan of Arc at the time)

Ahaha it was downding city for me from the jump. Prior to the mass flounce exodus it was still taboo to say anything progressive or liberal. Just a hint of it and you'd get the downding dog pile.... and I'm WAY more than just a hint.

Thank goodness for my Iceweasel brand life preserver or I never would have made it.

78 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:21:32am

re: #69 webevintage

Firefox

I get that sometimes on FF-- sound continuing-- and I think it's a flash crash. Try clearing cache, and then, of course, restarting browser. Update your flash plugin if you don't have it set to autoupdate.

79 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:22:00am

re: #57 avanti

OK, playing Walter here, what if the rig was struck by a meteor ?

My insurance company calls that "an act of nature" rather than an accident... then they don't have to pay don't cha know.

80 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:22:17am

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Since a meteor is an object that has entered our atmosphere but has yet "landed" or reached earth, it couldn't be African, European or what ever, since we have no places with those names in outer space.

Wouldn't the astronomer who first saw it and documented it be allowed to name it?

81 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:22:48am

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Since a meteor is an object that has entered our atmosphere but has yet "landed" or reached earth, it couldn't be African, European or what ever, since we have no places with those names in outer space.

you are like one of those candle snuffer thingies, only for jokes. A joke snuffer.

82 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:23:18am

re: #78 Obdicut

I get that sometimes on FF-- sound continuing-- and I think it's a flash crash. Try clearing cache, and then, of course, restarting browser. Update your flash plugin if you don't have it set to autoupdate.

Thanks, I'll try that later....

83 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:23:21am

re: #79 Locker

My insurance company calls that "an act of nature" rather than an accident... then they don't have to pay don't cha know.

I believe the legal term is "act of God".

Nature cannot act. It's all a big piece of reactive clockwork, slowly winding down.

84 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:24:34am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I was making a joke with that comment... it was not a serious statement.

I know, just busting your balls like you've been known to do rarely.:)

85 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:25:41am

re: #71 Charles

I agree, but it's also good that someone threw that gauntlet.

86 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:25:44am

re: #66 cliffster

Is it an African meteor, or a European meteor?

Down ding for the blatantly obvious... goddamn Monty Python and his goddamn quote disciples... YOU AREN'T FUNNY YOU DUCK FLOATING MOFAKAS!

87 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:26:20am

re: #77 Locker

Ahaha it was downding city for me from the jump. Prior to the mass flounce exodus it was still taboo to say anything progressive or liberal. Just a hint of it and you'd get the downding dog pile... and I'm WAY more than just a hint.

Thank goodness for my Iceweasel brand life preserver or I never would have made it.

Yea, when Ice showed up, the ex Lizards on the stalker blog said I was now the conservative on here.

88 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:26:26am

Wisconsin bar burns Obama effigy with duct tape wrapped around its neck as crowd laughs and cheers.


The Secret Service is investigating a bar in West Allis, Wisconsin after a bartender burned President Obama in effigy in front of a cheering crowd. A video obtained by local NBC affiliate TMJ4 shows a bartender at the Yester Years Pub and Grill burning a small figurine of Obama “with what looks like duct tape” wrapped around its neck. The crowd can be heard laughing and shouting in the background. Watch TMJ4’s report

Video at link.
Also, What the hell?

89 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:16am

re: #86 Locker

Well, I'm obliged to downding you for the Monty Python reference too, then.

Silly, silly, silly! Let's have a nice outdoor sketch.

90 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:21am

Paging Michael Steele!
Paging Sarah Palin!
Paging John McCain!
Paging Dick Cheney! (he's been far too quiet lately, just like when he was VP)

.... tap tap... this thing on?

91 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:23am

re: #23 PT Barnum

The democrats for November should run an ad that consists of nothing but the GOPers screaming drill baby drill juxtaposed with news footage of the oil spill and the resulting economic and ecological damage.

Unfortunately, Obama also came out for allowing further offshore drilling. At least the Republicans aare not gonna make an outrage issue of that, but the Dems have also lost their ability to rag on the Republicans.

i.e., its OUR problem, we have to solve it TOGETHER.

Good luck.

92 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:00am

re: #77 Locker

Ahaha it was downding city for me from the jump. Prior to the mass flounce exodus it was still taboo to say anything progressive or liberal. Just a hint of it and you'd get the downding dog pile... and I'm WAY more than just a hint.

Thank goodness for my Iceweasel brand life preserver or I never would have made it.

Heh. Any time! Always happy to help a fellow "prog"....

I held all ten of the bottom ten more than once when I arrived. :)

93 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:22am

Please denounce me, let me go,
For I don't love you anymore.
Please renounce my awful views,
Renounce me...so I can sing the blues.

94 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:32am

re: #89 Obdicut

Well, I'm obliged to downding you for the Monty Python reference too, then.

Silly, silly, silly! Let's have a nice outdoor sketch.

But first you must give us all a good spanking.

95 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:34am

re: #91 ralphieboy

Unfortunately, Obama also came out for allowing further offshore drilling. At least the Republicans aare not gonna make an outrage issue of that, but the Dems have also lost their ability to rag on the Republicans.

i.e., its OUR problem, we have to solve it TOGETHER.

Good luck.

Obama never put offshore drilling away. It was ALWAYS on the table, much to the chagrin of his constituents. And yes, that includes during the campaign.

96 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:54am

re: #28 _RememberTonyC

I would think that criticizing BP is more "anti British" than "anti American." I guess rp majored in something other than geography ...

It is BP's own fault. Like KFC, they don't want people to know they are a petroleum company (KFC fries in oil, so it works!). The BP with the cool green flower symbol used to look pretty good, but it is a bit greasy now...

97 zora  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:57am

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

the more i read about the memphis shooting the more confused i am. the father and son appear hispanic; although, the car is registered to a white supremacist church. the family says they would not be dead if there was no traffic stop. the police have not released names; although, the widow, friends, and family have identified them from photos and the news. they (father and son) travel to give financial seminars that appear to be based on gold standard / paulian philosophy and routinely carry an ak-47 with them. oh yeah, and the father, jerry kane, gave seminars for the 9/12 project. i wonder if it is the same jerry kane that writes for world net daily.

also the son, joseph kane, appears to be lying on the ground dead and handcuffed.

98 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:58am

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Since a meteor is an object that has entered our atmosphere but has yet "landed" or reached earth, it couldn't be African, European or what ever, since we have no places with those names in outer space.

Than it would be a American meteorite once impacted, or a Gulf one ?

99 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:59am

re: #28 _RememberTonyC

I would think that criticizing BP is more "anti British" than "anti American." I guess rp majored in something other than geography ...


I somehow suspect he is not even aware what the initials spand for except maybe "Big Pumps"

100 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:29:45am

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But first you must give us all a good spanking.

Too perilous.

101 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:29:54am

re: #89 Obdicut

Well, I'm obliged to downding you for the Monty Python reference too, then.

Silly, silly, silly! Let's have a nice outdoor sketch.

Fuck you for trapping me in a logic loop of how I'm suppose to criticize a Monty Python reference without referring to Monty Python. Obdi... you are fucking up my wake n bake... I think I need a Jimmy Dean's to clear my head.

102 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:29:54am

re: #88 iceweasel

Wisconsin bar burns Obama effigy with duct tape wrapped around its neck as crowd laughs and cheers.

Video at link.
Also, What the hell?

Sheesh! "Hold mah beer."

103 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:30:10am

re: #77 Locker

Ahaha it was downding city for me from the jump. Prior to the mass flounce exodus it was still taboo to say anything progressive or liberal. Just a hint of it and you'd get the downding dog pile... and I'm WAY more than just a hint.

Thank goodness for my Iceweasel brand life preserver or I never would have made it.

Total bullshit.

104 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:30:16am

re: #86 Locker

Down ding for the blatantly obvious... goddamn Monty Python and his goddamn quote disciples... YOU AREN'T FUNNY YOU DUCK FLOATING MOFAKAS!

goodness gracious.

105 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:30:17am

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wouldn't the astronomer who first saw it and documented it be allowed to name it?

Let's get out our Astronomy 101... In space it's a boloid (or planetoid is big enough), in our atmosphere it's a meteor, after it hits, it's a meteorite.

Meteorites are named according to the nearest town, postal office or landmark by the Meteorological Society (in that order of available names), although a meteorite can have a second or third localized name, usually given by local population or the persons discovering the meteorite. But the MS name is the official name. A meteor coming into our atmosphere would be pretty hard to catch and name all with in a few seconds that it becomes visible and then breaks up into pieces.

106 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:30:27am

re: #100 Obdicut

Too perilous.

Bet your gay.
/

107 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:30:48am

re: #83 Cato the Elder

I believe the legal term is "act of God".

Nature cannot act. It's all a big piece of reactive clockwork, slowly winding down.

Ok "an IS of Nature" ... I like that better anyway.

108 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:30:57am

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bet your gay.
/

Bet my gay what?
/

109 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:31:30am

re: #107 Locker

Ok "an IS of Nature" ... I like that better anyway.


They also call it "force majeure", but that wounds a bit too elitist for a Tennessee oak tree falling on a pickup truck

110 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:31:34am

re: #87 avanti

Yea, when Ice showed up, the ex Lizards on the stalker blog said I was now the conservative on here.

OK..I've got to say something now...I laughed my ass off reading at the stalker Blog that Wrath of G-d left there complaining that all they do over there is criticize LGF 24/7 and he was sick of it...Then somebody posted we don't criticize LGF 24/7 just 23/6..
They are just pathetic over there...And it really makes me laugh

111 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:31:58am

re: #108 MrSilverDragon

Bet my gay what?
/

Well played.

DAM EWE HOMOPHONES!

112 ShaunP  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:32:11am

Wait a second:

"..."What I don't like from the president's administration is this sort of, 'I'll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,'" Paul said in an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America." "I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business."

The Obama administration has used the "boot heel" phrase to describe its commitment to holding BP accountable for the spill and its cleanup."

If he doesn't expect BP to pay to clean up the spill, who should? The tax payers????

113 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:32:35am

I think Rand Paul is overestimating how much Americans like international corporations by a rather large amount.

There is little point in supporting corporations that cause gigantic economic damage, even for a libertarian. I'm really confused by what the hell he thinks should happen here.

114 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:32:45am

re: #112 ShaunP

Wait a second:

"..."What I don't like from the president's administration is this sort of, 'I'll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,'" Paul said in an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America." "I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business."

The Obama administration has used the "boot heel" phrase to describe its commitment to holding BP accountable for the spill and its cleanup."

If he doesn't expect BP to pay to clean up the spill, who should? The tax payers???


Well, what if BP turns out to be too big to fail?

115 captdiggs  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:32:56am

Personally, I'm hoping for some serious criminal charges and prison time for those responsible for this disaster of criminal negligence.

116 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:33:58am

re: #115 captdiggs

Personally, I'm hoping for some serious criminal charges and prison time for those responsible for this disaster of criminal negligence.


Yes, accidents happen. And failing to take proper steps to prevent them can be grounds for charges of criminal negligence.

117 garhighway  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:33:59am

re: #114 ralphieboy

Well, what if BP turns out to be too big to fail?

We don't want them to fail. We want them to survive, so they'll have the money to pay for the clean up and all the damage caused. If they fail, we pay.

118 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:34:03am

Un-American? I'll tell you what's un-American. It's un-American to see and oil leak that has spill at least 33 million gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico and after one month seeing that it has yet to be controlled. It's un-American to see a British owned (BP) company allowed to drill off our shores with rampant disregard for its employees and the environment. It's un-American for BP to have claimed before the accident that they could have easily handled a worse-case scenario -- a scenario in which the current oil leak represent only 2 percent.

It's un-American to bring out the PR tools to propagandize and hide the true impact and extent of the oil leak as it is to run an oil rig with such wanton disregard that it led to not only this oil leak of millions of gallons into the Gulf but will now lead to the ruined lives of thousands of fishermen and those employed by the tourism industry of the Gulf coast states (in addition to the yet unknown environmental and wildlife damage that will be impacted on American soil and waters). All this due to the negligence of a company that boasts total assets of over 230 billion dollars and only recently posted record profits.

119 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:34:36am

re: #118 Gus 802

Preach it!

120 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:34:48am

re: #117 garhighway

We don't want them to fail. We want them to survive, so they'll have the money to pay for the clean up and all the damage caused. If they fail, we pay.


But they get to keep their executive bonuses...

121 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:35:12am

re: #110 HoosierHoops

OK..I've got to say something now...I laughed my ass off reading at the stalker Blog that Wrath of G-d left there complaining that all they do over there is criticize LGF 24/7 and he was sick of it...Then somebody posted we don't criticize LGF 24/7 just 23/6..
They are just pathetic over there...And it really makes me laugh

No way, Wrath left?? lol Song and Dance also used to complain about all the LGF references. A few others, too. That's why that made that Daedelus page or whatever the hell it is, but it hasn't stopped them from mentioning us on every freaking post anyway.

A psychiatrist could retire after a year with that group.

122 garhighway  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:35:30am

re: #120 ralphieboy

But they get to keep their executive bonuses...

How they pay their people is between them and their shareholders.

123 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:36:11am

re: #83 Cato the Elder

I believe the legal term is "act of God".

Nature cannot act. It's all a big piece of reactive clockwork, slowly winding down.

"Consider the impasse of a one-god universe,
He is all-knowing and all-powerful.
He can't go anywhere since he is already everywhere.
He can't do anything since the act of doing presupposes opposition."
- Burroughs

What's the difference, really?

124 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:36:25am

re: #122 garhighway

How they pay their people is between them and their shareholders.

No it is an Act of God: the outer expression of inner grace.

BP: Benign Providence.

125 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:36:52am

re: #118 Gus 802

When it first happened, I was definitely one to stand and say, "just a second - don't jump to conclusions here" when the corporate autohating started. As the information comes streaming in though, it's looking like the conclusions are ones you can pretty much stride casually into - no jumping required.

126 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:37:31am

re: #118 Gus 802

Un-American? I'll tell you what's un-American. It's un-American to see and oil leak that has spill at least 33 million gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico and after one month seeing that it has yet to be controlled. It's un-American to see a British owned (BP) company allowed to drill off our shores with rampant disregard for its employees and the environment. It's un-American for BP to have claimed before the accident that they could have easily handled a worse-case scenario -- a scenario in which the current oil leak represent only 2 percent.

It's un-American to bring out the PR tools to propagandize and hide the true impact and extent of the oil leak as it is to run an oil rig with such wanton disregard that it led to not only this oil leak of millions of gallons into the Gulf but will now lead to the ruined lives of thousands of fishermen and those employed by the tourism industry of the Gulf coast states (in addition to the yet unknown environmental and wildlife damage that will be impacted on American soil and waters). All this due to the negligence of a company that boasts total assets of over 230 billion dollars and only recently posted record profits.

Preach on brother!

127 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:37:40am

re: #83 Cato the Elder

I believe the legal term is "act of God".

Nature cannot act. It's all a big piece of reactive clockwork, slowly winding down.

True, but for the Deep Horizon to have been an 'act of God' it would either have had to have a tree fall on it (didn't happen) or have hit a deer (didn't happen). One of the downsides of being 70 miles off-shore is that the normal 'acts of God' just don't apply. Rough seas? Well, they weren't an issue either as it was perfectly calm when the accident occurred.

128 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:39:17am

re: #127 darthstar

Additionally, "act of God" is merely a way of dismissing responsibility...it has nothing to do with any actual god that may or may not exist...and it doesn't always work...I know, I tried it with the nuns in grade school when I didn't have my homework done.

129 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:39:18am

Breaking news: Gun taken from Jet Blue air crew member at airport. He may have been part of the program that allows air crews to carry. Some reports are that he was despondent over a girlfriend. At best, he was just thinking of shooting himself on the ground.

gun.

130 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:39:39am

Slow down, Rand! It's only been three days!

131 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:39:41am

re: #125 cliffster

When it first happened, I was definitely one to stand and say, "just a second - don't jump to conclusions here" when the corporate autohating started. As the information comes streaming in though, it's looking like the conclusions are ones you can pretty much stride casually into - no jumping required.

I felt the same way. However, BP's talking head, make that tool, made that decision easy for me. I think if I were to be on auto-pilot I would have easily picked on Haliburton and the other corporations that were involved. But the fact remain, BP was in charge of the operation and remains in charge of the operation.

132 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:40:28am

re: #113 Obdicut

I think Rand Paul is overestimating how much Americans like international corporations by a rather large amount.

There is little point in supporting corporations that cause gigantic economic damage, even for a libertarian. I'm really confused by what the hell he thinks should happen here.

I think he is obviously playing into big business. Well small business, too, but business. Screw the taxpayer, they're just poor slobs eeking out a living at some thankless job. The business owner is where it's at. Certainly it's the business owner's vote he wants and the bigger the business the better.

133 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:40:42am

re: #130 JasonA

Slow down, Rand! It's only been three days!

Give the guy a break...he didn't get to have his honeymoon.

Youtube Video
134 S'latch  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:41:02am

As a result of clear, actionable negligence, BP is still spilling up to 2,900,000 US gallons of crude oil per day in the Gulf of Mexico. The spill covers 2,500 to 9,100 square miles. There are 17 injured and 11 missing, presumed dead. Only a fool would refer to it as just an accident. But, maybe BP is popular in Kentucky?

135 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:41:21am

re: #110 HoosierHoops

OK..I've got to say something now...I laughed my ass off reading at the stalker Blog that Wrath of G-d left there complaining that all they do over there is criticize LGF 24/7 and he was sick of it...Then somebody posted we don't criticize LGF 24/7 just 23/6..
They are just pathetic over there...And it really makes me laugh

Ok so that was hilarious. I normally don't get into the stalker blog stuff because they seem so.... hmm... like the goth kids of the internet.

U R all LGF conformists... Barak & Michelle wannabees....

136 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:41:26am

re: #121 marjoriemoon

No way, Wrath left?? lol Song and Dance also used to complain about all the LGF references. A few others, too. That's why that made that Daedelus page or whatever the hell it is, but it hasn't stopped them from mentioning us on every freaking post anyway.

A psychiatrist could retire after a year with that group.

Want to know a funny story about Wrath? a few months ago his email account got spammed and his address book sent out Viagra stuff to mine and Charles email account...I wrote him back..What the heck are you doing?
He wrote an apology to both of us.. I could see his red face in the email...
He showed class..Something very rare over there...

137 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:41:28am

I am thrilled an authentic Libertarian candidate is receiving much deserved analysis. High minded theories need to be implemented to actually govern that way. At least people are thinking about what Libertarian governance means.

138 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:41:42am

re: #133 darthstar

I think that Maddow interview was the equivalent of not getting it up on the first night.

139 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:42:11am

re: #137 prairiefire

I am thrilled an authentic Libertarian candidate is receiving much deserved analysis. High minded theories need to be implemented to actually govern that way. At least people are thinking about what Libertarian governance means.

Sigh...reluctantly agree...
:(

140 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:42:24am

re: #128 darthstar

Additionally, "act of God" is merely a way of dismissing responsibility...it has nothing to do with any actual god that may or may not exist...and it doesn't always work...I know, I tried it with the nuns in grade school when I didn't have my homework done.

Maybe you were dyslexic and meant "act of Dog?"

141 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:42:38am

re: #103 Spare O'Lake

Total bullshit.

Jimmah says, "In what way, Spare?"

142 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:42:40am

re: #132 marjoriemoon

But huge numbers of American businesses will be hurt by this; that's what I don't get. It's the strange libertarian conceit that was a corporation does can only hurt itself, not others.

143 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:43:12am

re: #130 JasonA

Slow down, Rand! It's only been three days!

I'm wondering if it's going to be like "The Daily Paul" from now until election day. This man is a walking talking buffoon. He is a talentless hack whose claim to fame has been as the town opthamologist and Tea Party favorite.

144 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:43:20am

re: #138 JasonA

I think that Maddow interview was the equivalent of not getting it up on the first night.

So Kentucky Republicans have grounds for an anullment?

145 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:43:46am

re: #88 iceweasel

Wisconsin bar burns Obama effigy with duct tape wrapped around its neck as crowd laughs and cheers.

Video at link.
Also, What the hell?

TEH INTERNET WE HAZ ALL UR F&^%TARDZ NAO.

146 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:43:47am

re: #142 Obdicut

But huge numbers of American businesses will be hurt by this; that's what I don't get. It's the strange libertarian conceit that was a corporation does can only hurt itself, not others.

Libertarianism is, at least in part, a blind denial that such a thing as a "commons" exists.

147 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:43:49am

re: #139 Varek Raith

Not to impinged on your high minded ideals, Varek./

148 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:43:56am

re: #97 zora

the more i read about the memphis shooting the more confused i am. the father and son appear hispanic; although, the car is registered to a white supremacist church. the family says they would not be dead if there was no traffic stop. the police have not released names; although, the widow, friends, and family have identified them from photos and the news. they (father and son) travel to give financial seminars that appear to be based on gold standard / paulian philosophy and routinely carry an ak-47 with them. oh yeah, and the father, jerry kane, gave seminars for the 9/12 project. i wonder if it is the same jerry kane that writes for world net daily.

also the son, joseph kane, appears to be lying on the ground dead and handcuffed.

There is inevitably a lot of confusion around an incident like this, much of it generated by agenda-driven media. The ID on Jerry and Joe Kane looks pretty definite though, since relatives and now wingnut associates have confirmed it. They may look Hispanic since both appear to be fairly dark and have dark hair but they are definitely not Hispanic, let alone illegal.

The scanner report of one or two Hispanic men running away less than a mile from the shootings appears to be legitimate but unrelated. Naturally, every possible piece of potential information would be reported as soon as possible over the police radio net. It is possible that they really are illegal and simply ran away in the face of a massive influx of police into the area.

As for Joe Kane appearing to be handcuffed, all we really see is that his hands are behind his back. This is a necessary condition for being handcuffed but not a sufficient condition to prove it. Confusing necessary and sufficient conditions is a hallmark of conspiracy theories. There is a helicopter video of the whole incident, including the police pulling Joe's body out of the van and onto the ground.

149 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:43:56am

re: #144 darthstar

So Kentucky Republicans have grounds for an anullment?


Fuck...two ns, one l. annulment.

PIMF

150 JamesWI  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:44:31am

Some questions for Rand Paul and his delusional supporters here:

Do you honestly believe that without the CRA, discrimination still wouldn't be rampant throughout parts of the United States? Do you honestly believe that the free market would actually have resolved this matter better than the legislation? Think of how many businesses discriminated in the 1950s-1960s, and how long it would take to run effective boycotts of them all (especially with the information dissemination capabilities of the Internet being decades away).

Regardless of what you think of Obama's politics, do any of you think there would be an even 1% chance of having an African-American President (let alone one named Barack Hussein Obama) today, or even in the next generation, were it not for legislation like the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act? I highly doubt it.

Who exactly was harmed by the CRA's alleged violation of rights? The business owner who was forced to have more potential customers?

Why does it seem like the current Republican party is against any government action that might actually have a positive effect on society?

151 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:44:39am

re: #143 Gus 802

I'm wondering if it's going to be like "The Daily Paul" from now until election day. This man is a walking talking buffoon. He is a talentless hack whose claim to fame has been as the town opthamologist and Tea Party favorite.

Nah, you can't keep the American public's attention for that long.

152 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:44:51am

re: #83 Cato the Elder

I believe the legal term is "act of God".

Nature cannot act. It's all a big piece of reactive clockwork, slowly winding down.


V10LATES LAW OF THERM0DYNAM1CS!!11!!

TEACH THE C0NTR0VERSY!!!1!!
//

153 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:44:56am

re: #147 prairiefire

Not to impinged on your high minded ideals, Varek./

Heh, well, it's part of the reason I left that party.
Crazies now.
Ah, well.

154 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:46:16am

re: #145 webevintage

TEH INTERNET WE HAZ ALL UR F&^%TARDZ NAO.

All Your Whacks Are Belong To Us

155 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:46:44am

re: #136 HoosierHoops

Want to know a funny story about Wrath? a few months ago his email account got spammed and his address book sent out Viagra stuff to mine and Charles email account...I wrote him back..What the heck are you doing?
He wrote an apology to both of us.. I could see his red face in the email...
He showed class..Something very rare over there...

There are a few over there that stand up now and than, just today a few refused to cheer for Rand Paul. Most of them want him to win, just to watch Charles's head explode apparently.

156 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:46:57am

re: #153 Varek Raith

I think the broad principles are quite good. Perhaps easier to implement in a person's private life.

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:47:33am

re: #4 Thanos

In Rand's anarcho capitalist cloud cuckoo land rapacious companies like BP rule the world instead of elected governments...

I guess what I find annoying about this is that for guys like this, the party line is that there doesn't need to be industry regulation, because they'll regulate themselves, knowing how bad for business it would be to eff up.

So they eff up, and these same people run to the rescue. You can't be MEAN to them, anyone could completely trash the Gulf of Mexico! It's un-American to criticize!

Love to see this one get played out with the meat-packing industry, or a soda company that accidentally dumped strychnine into the Grape Surprise Fizz.

158 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:47:57am

re: #136 HoosierHoops

Want to know a funny story about Wrath? a few months ago his email account got spammed and his address book sent out Viagra stuff to mine and Charles email account...I wrote him back..What the heck are you doing?
He wrote an apology to both of us.. I could see his red face in the email...
He showed class..Something very rare over there...

Doh!!

I always liked Wrath. I don't know if there's anyone else I can say that about over there. One of the women who used to frequent the lounge made some scathing comments about me recently, and I thought she liked me, but I guess she couldn't help herself. That peer pressure is really tough, ya know, especially if you have the maturity of a 12 year old. Not many of them have a thought outside the box.

I'm glad Wrath left anyway.

159 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:48:23am

re: #137 prairiefire

I am thrilled an authentic Libertarian candidate is receiving much deserved analysis. High minded theories need to be implemented to actually govern that way. At least people are thinking about what Libertarian governance means.

Is this missing a sarc tag?
Paul is not really that much of a Libertarian is he?

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:48:43am

re: #12 PT Barnum

Don't be so hard on him. Ignorant fuckheads need to be represented in Congress too (See Peter King, Steve King, Michelle Bachman, et al)

I would hate to think that igorant fuckheads were PROPORTIONATELY represented in Congress, some days.

161 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:49:08am
Rand Paul is the unrestrained id of the far right, and a wonderful gift to the Democratic Party.

What I love about this guy is that he can actually talk instead of just throwing up talking point word salads like the Thrilla from Wasilla. Definitely makes him more fun in my book.

Also have't heard him mention religion much, if at all.

162 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:49:23am

re: #153 Varek Raith

Heh, well, it's part of the reason I left that party.
Crazies now.
Ah, well.

Well Varek, you always seemed like more of an Independent to me anyway. I tried that party too, as I had some things in common, but I'm just not able to squeeze myself into this or that partisan box, they always piss me off sooner or later.

163 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:50:36am

re: #162 Locker

Well Varek, you always seemed like more of an Independent to me anyway. I tried that party too, as I had some things in common, but I'm just not able to squeeze myself into this or that partisan box, they always piss me off sooner or later.

You sound like you may be an individual with your own thoughts and perspectives.

A party affiliation may not be for you...
//

164 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:50:58am

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess what I find annoying about this is that for guys like this, the party line is that there doesn't need to be industry regulation, because they'll regulate themselves, knowing how bad for business it would be to eff up.

So they eff up, and these same people run to the rescue. You can't be MEAN to them, anyone could completely trash the Gulf of Mexico! It's un-American to criticize!

Love to see this one get played out with the meat-packing industry, or a soda company that accidentally dumped strychnine into the Grape Surprise Fizz.

"Mr. President, Mr. President. Are you now here willing to say to the American people that this accident was in fact due to radical Libertarianists?"

//

165 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:51:46am

re: #142 Obdicut

But huge numbers of American businesses will be hurt by this; that's what I don't get. It's the strange libertarian conceit that was a corporation does can only hurt itself, not others.

I actually think it's worse than that; the conceit is that yes, a corporation can hurt others, but that's okay - no true corporation would do that. And if they do, so what - better that private corporations and entities hurt others than a government infringe on them in any way.

166 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:51:50am

re: #142 Obdicut

But huge numbers of American businesses will be hurt by this; that's what I don't get. It's the strange libertarian conceit that was a corporation does can only hurt itself, not others.

Maybe the big business making billions is more important than the little fishing company making 100s of 1000s.

You do know that large corporations can financially sponsor candidates now, right?

Screw the little guy. If he supports BP, they'll fund his campaign and he'll buy his way to the senate.

You think Rand is stupid?? no way. He's a low life racist scum, but he ain't stupid.

167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:52:13am

re: #109 ralphieboy

They also call it "force majeure", but that wounds a bit too elitist for a Tennessee oak tree falling on a pickup truck

After I drink enough I can fall on whomever's car I please, and none of that fancy lawyer talk needs to be involved...

;)

//

168 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:52:26am

re: #161 JasonA

Also have't heard him mention religion much, if at all.

Well his high minded ideas about "private property" does not extend to my rights to my body* which I consider the most private property we all own.

*what I do with my womb

169 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:53:02am

re: #158 marjoriemoon

Doh!!

I always liked Wrath. I don't know if there's anyone else I can say that about over there. One of the women who used to frequent the lounge made some scathing comments about me recently, and I thought she liked me, but I guess she couldn't help herself. That peer pressure is really tough, ya know, especially if you have the maturity of a 12 year old. Not many of them have a thought outside the box.

I'm glad Wrath left anyway.

Maybe someday we can have a prisoner exchange program. Instead of booting a nut, we can trade for a rational poster trapped over there.:)

170 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:53:34am

A lot of Libertarians also seem to be SoCons.
*scratches head*

171 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:53:40am

re: #133 darthstar

Give the guy a break...he didn't get to have his honeymoon.


[Video]

Ack, his voice. He has such a nasally disdain for the media, just like Sarah Palin. If you are running for office, it is your flipping duty to be covered by the media, deal with it. And sorry you blew it, but it's not the media's fault.

172 sagehen  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:53:41am

re: #77 Locker

Ahaha it was downding city for me from the jump. Prior to the mass flounce exodus it was still taboo to say anything progressive or liberal. Just a hint of it and you'd get the downding dog pile... and I'm WAY more than just a hint.

Thank goodness for my Iceweasel brand life preserver or I never would have made it.

My early-days downdings came from criticizing Dick Cheney.

Surprised me, really -- the guy had an 11% approval rating overall, less than 30% even among the party faithful, I hadn't expected the dingers to leap so enthusiastically to his defense.

173 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:54:16am

re: #169 avanti

Maybe someday we can have a prisoner exchange program. Instead of booting a nut, we can trade for a rational poster trapped over there.:)

rofl!! Actually, I don't think you'll find any of those, but that was pretty funny!

174 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:54:39am

re: #168 webevintage

Well his high minded ideas about "private property" does not extend to my rights to my body* which I consider the most private property we all own.

*what I do with my womb

Right, but I haven't heard him go on and on about a higher power is what I'm getting at.

175 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:54:51am

re: #141 iceweasel

Jimmah says, "In what way, Spare?"

It is total bullshit to seriously maintain that it was ever "taboo to say anything progressive or liberal" on this site.

176 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:54:53am

re: #158 marjoriemoon

Doh!!

I always liked Wrath. I don't know if there's anyone else I can say that about over there. One of the women who used to frequent the lounge made some scathing comments about me recently, and I thought she liked me, but I guess she couldn't help herself. That peer pressure is really tough, ya know, especially if you have the maturity of a 12 year old. Not many of them have a thought outside the box.

I'm glad Wrath left anyway.

Don't worry about it. Most of the hardcore haterz over there have been banned for years before I joined-- doesn't stop them from writing as if they 'know' me or as if I've shot their dog or something.

Lots of headcases over there. I mean, it's fairly obvious that they're insane just from their political positions-- but lots of pathologies revealed in the comments. Yikes. They're really not worth thinking about in any way.

177 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:54:58am

re: #170 Varek Raith

A lot of Libertarians also seem to be SoCons.
*scratches head*

Fascinating [making Spock face].

/

178 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:55:07am

SoCons~I thought my favorite Libertarian principle was the "Leave me the Hell alone" principle.

179 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:55:18am

re: #172 sagehen

My early-days downdings came from criticizing Dick Cheney.

Surprised me, really -- the guy had an 11% approval rating overall, less than 30% even among the party faithful, I hadn't expected the dingers to leap so enthusiastically to his defense.

Ah, don't for get the early Sarah Palin threads too.

180 Robert O.  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:55:29am

Who can blame him? The Sons of Liberty at BP are merely spilling crude into the sea in their own enactment of the "Gulf Oil Party"!

181 Randall Gross  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:55:31am

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess what I find annoying about this is that for guys like this, the party line is that there doesn't need to be industry regulation, because they'll regulate themselves, knowing how bad for business it would be to eff up.

So they eff up, and these same people run to the rescue. You can't be MEAN to them, anyone could completely trash the Gulf of Mexico! It's un-American to criticize!

Love to see this one get played out with the meat-packing industry, or a soda company that accidentally dumped strychnine into the Grape Surprise Fizz.

That's why Rachel's point about lead in toys was so salient last night, all these anarcho capitalist wingnuts think business should be 100 percent unfettered. They live in an imaginary world where only the good effects of that are seen, and none of the suicides at the IPOD factory ever get mentioned.

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

182 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:56:40am

re: #180 Robert O.

Who can blame him? The Sons of Liberty at BP are merely spilling crude into the sea in their own enactment of the "Gulf Oil Party"!

GOP!

D'oh!

/Still trying to figure out what the GOP is going to do with runt, Rand Paul. But he's their baby now.

/

183 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:57:08am

re: #180 Robert O.

Who can blame him? The Sons of Liberty at BP are merely spilling crude into the sea in their own enactment of the "Gulf Oil Party"!

As Rush says oil is just as natural as sea water. Why all the fuss ?/

184 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:57:25am

re: #172 sagehen

My early-days downdings came from criticizing Dick Cheney.

Surprised me, really -- the guy had an 11% approval rating overall, less than 30% even among the party faithful, I hadn't expected the dingers to leap so enthusiastically to his defense.

Yea that's a good one. I got some heat over that with regard to calling Bush a Cheney hand puppet while trying to adjust the "Lefties HATED Bush" meme. I was also showered in red for criticizing our ridiculous shift of forces from Afghanistan to Iraq.

185 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:57:41am

re: #182 Gus 802

GOP!

D'oh!

/Still trying to figure out what the GOP is going to do with this runt, Rand Paul. But he's their baby now.

/

PIMF Need more coffee.

186 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:57:53am

re: #175 Spare O'Lake

It is total bullshit to seriously maintain that it was ever "taboo to say anything progressive or liberal" on this site.

REALLY?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

187 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:57:59am

OK, I have a Studebaker waiting, later Lizards.

188 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:58:08am

I'm sure this must have been mentioned, but even so...
Rand Paul opposes government spending — except for when it benefits him.

Tea party darling Dr. Rand Paul won an upset victory in Kentucky’s Republican Senate primary by running on a “resolute pledge to balance the federal budget and slash the size of government.” In an interview following his win, Paul explained that his campaign was “all about federal spending” and the “tea party message.” Republicans “need to regain our believability as fiscal conservatives,” he added. But as former Bush speech writer David Frum noted, “Paul’s libertarianism stops where his pocketbook starts.” Frum highlighted a Wall Street Journal story from last week in which Paul said he doesn’t want to cut Medicare payments to doctors like himself, because “[p]hysicians should be allowed to make a comfortable living“:

But on Thursday evening, the ophthalmologist from Bowling Green said there was one thing he would not cut: Medicare physician payments.

In fact, Paul — who says 50% of his patients are on Medicare — wants to end cuts to physician payments under a program now in place called the sustained growth rate, or SGR. “Physicians should be allowed to make a comfortable living.

In an interview on FoxNew.com’s Freedom Watch, Paul vowed he would never give up his “tea party values,” which apparently include pushing for self-serving legislation. As the Wonk Room’s Igor Volsky noted, Paul likely already makes a “comfortable living,” as the average salary for an ophthalmologist is $256,320.

189 elizajane  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:58:25am

re: #168 webevintage

Well his high minded ideas about "private property" does not extend to my rights to my body* which I consider the most private property we all own.

*what I do with my womb

Yes, he evidently has stated that he is against abortion in any circumstance, including rape or incest.
No contradiction to the "limited government" philosophy there, oh no. Corporations: good, free.
Women: bad, unfree.
Minorities: do whatever you want to them! It's your right!

190 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:58:38am

The morons at Reason.com are mounting a spirited defense of Rand Paul today.

You couldn't ask for a better demonstration of why libertarianism is a fringe political ideology and will always be so. These people are absolutists, and any form of political absolutism is profoundly anti-human. That's why Rand Paul can say what he said about the BP disaster -- because he has no empathy at all for the millions of people whose lives will be affected by it. It's the same reason why he is an anti-abortion fanatic, despite his lip service to libertarianism -- because he has no empathy for human beings. His ideology rules his world view, and human beings play a very small part in it.

191 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:58:52am

re: #71 Charles

If any of those people (Palin, Dobson, DeMint) renounce Rand Paul, I will be exceedingly surprised.

Not gonna happen.

Hey all. We should not be surprised by Rand Paul at all. We surprised by the not so hidden dogwhistles of his message that would roll back the basic liberties that our parents generation fought so hard to establish and extend as a franchise for all Americans.

The sick thread of white racism was suppressed in this nation but it was never cut or extinguished. It was for a time, so ostracized, that few dared give voice to it in public. However, the endless drumbeat of propaganda about President Obama - in particular the drumbeat that our first black president, is not American, hates white culture, has divided loyalties etc... coupled with a culture of political discourse that is hardly above using the most hurtful slurs, allowed the evil thread of naked racism to have public legitimacy.

That genie is out of the lamp now.

We can try to stuff it back in now, or we can it spread and metastasize. The message that the majority is actually a victim in its own nation will always be a rallying call for the lowest common denominator of that majority. If there is an obvious target that is not of the majority doing well in the nation, then the lower echelons of that majority have an easy target to hate. They reason, "why am I poor and having a hard time, when these "lessers" are doing so well?" To this day, unrepentant Nazis - the real ones - will point to how many Jews were professors and medical doctors and attorneys. They will say that the "Jews went too far." How they were establishing themselves as a middle class when it seemed to the lower echelons of Germany, that the German majority was only sinking lower. This was the great central message of the Nazis.

Of course this message is not unique to Nazis. If you are some sort of angry and frightened white trash, then a black president certainly "went too far." And there are the two major components of the mix: a false sense of white victimization, and a convenient other to be jealous of for "stealing" the white's place.

The business establishment likes the hyper free enterprise aspect that is mixed in with the Teabag message. The GOP is deciding to go with it because they think they can control it. Similar groups failed to control it in Germany. See it for what it is and for the love of God, America and everything that we hold dear in this nation, fight against it.

192 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:59:05am

re: #183 avanti

As Rush says oil is just as natural as sea water. Why all the fuss ?/

That's right. And what do we put on our salads? Vinegar and oil.

Might as well proclaim oil a vegetable!

/

193 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:59:25am

re: #188 iceweasel

Heh. Yeah, this came up. Gov't intervention for me, but not for thee.

194 rhino2  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:59:37am

re: #40 Cato the Elder

Did I just get a pop-up window off of LGF? Did a gorram pop-up window just fly up on my screen despite my pop-up blocker?

I turned off AdBlock because you asked me to, Charles, but if I start getting pop-ups here, it's going back on.

Just sayin'.

Ding for the Firefly reference, one of the best shows ever made. (imho)

195 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:00:09am

I know I will take incoming fire for this one, but something about President Obama's "dog and pony" show with Mexico's president Calderon is bugging me.

It looks to this observer that the POTUS is siding with lawbreakers from another country instead of desperate and frustrated Arizonans from his OWN country. If you feel Obama can do no wrong, you will hate that statement. But if you look at things from a more neutral standpoint, you CAN get that impression.

196 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:00:34am

re: #175 Spare O'Lake

It is total bullshit to seriously maintain that it was ever "taboo to say anything progressive or liberal" on this site.

Technically, never taboo. Even when I was pushing -2000, I never got the boot, nor did others lefties getting negged.

197 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:00:39am

re: #188 iceweasel

I'm sure your absence is due to an extended appreciation of NYC in the spring but we (I) still miss you. Hope things are going great for you both. (Sup J!)

198 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:01:04am

re: #175 Spare O'Lake

It is total bullshit to seriously maintain that it was ever "taboo to say anything progressive or liberal" on this site.

It's completely accurate that until very recently (like last fall), doing so would land you in the bottom ten, whereas a brilliant and insightful post saying nothing but "FUCK OBAMA" or similar would land in the top ten.

Now, not so much.
Stuff in the top ten tends to be intelligent and articulate and expressing a variety of opinion; stuff in the bottom tends to be the genuinely abusive posts (and posters).
I realise not everyone is happy about that change.

199 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:01:28am

Enter Nick Gillespie wearing that same black shirt, same black pants, and same black leather jacket defending Rand Paul. Every time I see Nick I get all itchy.

//

200 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:01:41am

re: #191 ludwigvanquixote

Edited to get it right because it is important.

We should not be surprised by Rand Paul at all. We surprised by the not so hidden dogwhistles of his message that would roll back the basic liberties that our parents generation fought so hard to establish and extend as a franchise for all Americans.

The sick thread of white racism was suppressed in this nation but it was never cut or extinguished. It was for a time, so ostracized, that few dared give voice to it in public. However, the endless drumbeat of propaganda about President Obama - in particular the drumbeat that our first black president, is not American, hates white culture, has divided loyalties etc... coupled with a culture of political discourse that is hardly above using the most hurtful slurs, allowed the evil thread of naked racism to have public legitimacy.

That genie is out of the lamp now.

We can try to stuff it back in now, or we can see it spread and metastasize. The message that the majority is actually a victim in its own nation will always be a rallying call for the lowest common denominator of that majority. If there is an obvious target that is not of the majority doing well in the nation, then the lower echelons of that majority have an easy target to hate. They reason, "why am I poor and having a hard time, when these "lessers" are doing so well?" To this day, unrepentant Nazis - the real ones - will point to how many Jews were professors and medical doctors and attorneys. They will say that the "Jews went too far." How they were establishing themselves as a middle class when it seemed to the lower echelons of Germany, that the German majority was only sinking lower was "too much." This was the great central message of the Nazis.

Of course this message is not unique to Nazis. If you are some sort of angry and frightened white trash, then a black president certainly "went too far." And there are the two major components of the mix: a false sense of white victimization, and a convenient other to be jealous of for "stealing" the white's place.

The business establishment likes the hyper free enterprise aspect that is mixed in with the Teabag message. The GOP is deciding to go with it because they think they can control it. Similar groups failed to control it in Germany. See it for what it is and for the love of God, America and everything that we hold dear in this nation, fight against it.

201 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:02:17am

re: #190 Charles

The morons at Reason.com are mounting a spirited defense of Rand Paul today.

You couldn't ask for a better demonstration of why libertarianism is a fringe political ideology and will always be so. These people are absolutists, and any form of political absolutism is profoundly anti-human. That's why Rand Paul can say what he said about the BP disaster -- because he has no empathy at all for the millions of people whose lives will be affected by it. It's the same reason why he is an anti-abortion fanatic, despite his lip service to libertarianism -- because he has no empathy for human beings. His ideology rules his world view, and human beings play a very small part in it.

Very well said!

202 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:02:46am

re: #200 ludwigvanquixote

Dammit, Ludwig, save some words for the rest of us! You're using them all up! :P

203 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:03:37am

re: #195 _RememberTonyC

I know I will take incoming fire for this one, but something about President Obama's "dog and pony" show with Mexico's president Calderon is bugging me.

It looks to this observer that the POTUS is siding with lawbreakers from another country instead of desperate and frustrated Arizonans from his OWN country. If you feel Obama can do no wrong, you will hate that statement. But if you look at things from a more neutral standpoint, you CAN get that impression.

Obama is shamelessly politicizing this situation

204 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:03:37am

re: #195 _RememberTonyC

I know I will take incoming fire for this one, but something about President Obama's "dog and pony" show with Mexico's president Calderon is bugging me.

It looks to this observer that the POTUS is siding with lawbreakers from another country instead of desperate and frustrated Arizonans from his OWN country. If you feel Obama can do no wrong, you will hate that statement. But if you look at things from a more neutral standpoint, you CAN get that impression.

I certainly get it, it's not an impression

205 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:03:43am

re: #199 Gus 802

Enter Nick Gillespie wearing that same black shirt, same black pants, and same black leather jacket defending Rand Paul. Every time I see Nick I get all itchy.

//

Heh. Balloon Juice and a couple of other places call him the Fonzi of Freedom.

206 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:04:35am

re: #196 avanti

Technically, never taboo. Even when I was pushing -2000, I never got the boot, nor did others lefties getting negged.

Taboo with the users bucketheads. ;) Besides, Taboo doesn't mean illegal or against the rules, it means

A prejudice that prohibits the use or mention of something

207 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:04:42am

re: #205 iceweasel

Heh. Balloon Juice and a couple of other places call him the Fonzi of Freedom.

Kind of reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry dates that woman that always wears the same dress.

208 Robert O.  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:04:52am

re: #182 Gus 802

Thank you! Finally, I know what GOP stands for! :D

209 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:04:56am

re: #203 cliffster

Obama is shamelessly politicizing this situation

yes, not much hope for change there

210 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:05:39am

re: #205 iceweasel

Heh. Balloon Juice and a couple of other places call him the Fonzi of Freedom.

re: #206 Locker


Image: fonzie1-300x450.jpg

211 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:06:02am

re: #186 marjoriemoon

REALLY???

Yeah, really. Go ahead and rewrite history if you want but I won't be a part of it. As long as I've been here, this site always had differing viewpoints being vigorously discussed and argued. While the emphasis has certainly changed, nothing was ever "taboo" or verboten as far as I was concerned.

213 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:06:58am

re: #203 cliffster

Obama is shamelessly politicizing this situation

one of my beefs with the President is that it ALWAYS sems to be about politics. he is in permanent campaign mode and that is a bad approach when you need to make hard decisions that might cost you some votes you were counting on.

214 Interesting Times  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:06:59am

re: #190 Charles

It's the same reason why he is an anti-abortion fanatic, despite his lip service to libertarianism -- because he has no empathy for human beings.

Didn't the Sotomayor confirmation hearings teach you that quality is un-American as well?

/eleventy

215 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:07:11am

re: #197 Locker

I'm sure your absence is due to an extended appreciation of NYC in the spring but we (I) still miss you. Hope things are going great for you both. (Sup J!)

We miss you all too!
We've been having a great time though-- lots of sightseeing and general hanging out. NYC in spring is pretty excellent-- also, I want to visit everything since I don't know how long it will be til we live here again. :(

Off now to the planetarium and Central Park-- have fun, everyone!

216 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:07:21am

re: #203 cliffster

Obama is shamelessly politicizing this situation

I hate when right wing folks like you blame others for your own actions. The people in AZ made an unconstitutional and abominable law as a poke at the federal government on an issue. The head of the Federal government points out the odious aspects of that law, and somehow he is shamelessly politicizing it.

Grow up. The "mommy he's poking me" aspect of rightwing whining is disgraceful and repugnant and certainly not fit for a man who has passed puberty.

I assume that you have passed puberty yes?

217 sagehen  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:07:24am

re: #150 JamesWI

Some questions for Rand Paul and his delusional supporters here:

Do you honestly believe that without the CRA, discrimination still wouldn't be rampant throughout parts of the United States? Do you honestly believe that the free market would actually have resolved this matter better than the legislation? Think of how many businesses discriminated in the 1950s-1960s, and how long it would take to run effective boycotts of them all (especially with the information dissemination capabilities of the Internet being decades away).

Not to mention... in how many states was segregation legally mandated? How many places where a business owner who actually *wanted* to serve all comers would lose his license?

Rand says oh of course he's not okay with the beatings, that was over the line. Anybody who's physically *violent* towards people trying to desegregate, well they should call the police and have those people arrested. WHO DOES HE THINK WAS DOING THE BEATINGS?

218 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:08:22am

re: #209 albusteve

yes, not much hope for change there

Not going to disagree with my friends on the right. Obama will ride the immigration issue like a big dog. He's nothing if not a consummate politician that courts the Hispanic vote while the GOP drives them away.

219 The Left  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:08:28am

re: #211 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, really. Go ahead and rewrite history if you want but I won't be a part of it. As long as I've been here, this site always had differing viewpoints being vigorously discussed and argued. While the emphasis has certainly changed, nothing was ever "taboo" or verboten as far as I was concerned.

We're talking about the commentariat. As you know.

220 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:08:33am

re: #216 ludwigvanquixote

true to form, you are all asshole, all the time.

221 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:08:34am

Hate to bring up the France card but I wonder what the wingnut reaction would have been if it wasn't British Petroleum. Last time an Airbus crashed killing people most of them went on an anti France/Airbus rampage.

222 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:09:00am

re: #40 Cato the Elder

Did I just get a pop-up window off of LGF? Did a gorram pop-up window just fly up on my screen despite my pop-up blocker?

I turned off AdBlock because you asked me to, Charles, but if I start getting pop-ups here, it's going back on.

Just sayin'.

If you saw a popup window, it was not intentional. Unfortunately, sometimes advertisers get sneaky and slip in popup windows or audio, every few thousand page loads.

If you post the URL of the popup window I'll make sure that advertiser is blocked.

223 Right Brain  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:09:06am

Urgent Agenda is recommending that Rand be put out to pasture, just a matter of time now, the Republicans don't need anymore nut jobs.

224 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:09:54am

re: #213 _RememberTonyC

one of my beefs with the President is that it ALWAYS sems to be about politics. he is in permanent campaign mode and that is a bad approach when you need to make hard decisions that might cost you some votes you were counting on.

I think he is making the hard decisions knowing he will lose some votes.
I'll pass on your campaigning concerns to Karl Rove.

225 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:10:22am

re: #220 cliffster

true to form, you are all asshole, all the time.

True to form, you miss the point to whine shamelessly, miss the point wen called on your nonsense, blame others for your failures, and call names, all the time.

Grow up.

226 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:11:04am

OT bigotry:

[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]

BAKERSFIELD, Calif.—Kern County's 24 high schools will not be observing the first statewide day of remembrance honoring the late gay rights hero Harvey Milk.

The Kern High School District school board adopted a policy on Wednesday night stating the district would neither commemorate Harvey Milk Day nor encourage its schools to hold activities in Milk's memory. The vote was 3-1, with one abstention.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill in October establishing Milk's May 22 birthday as a day of "special significance" in California.
Milk was the first openly gay man voted into office in a major city when he was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. He was assassinated along with Mayor George Moscone by former supervisor Dan White.

227 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:11:05am

re: #216 ludwigvanquixote

I hate when right wing folks like you blame others for your own actions. The people in AZ made an unconstitutional and abominable law as a poke at the federal government on an issue. The head of the Federal government points out the odious aspects of that law, and somehow he is shamelessly politicizing it.

Grow up. The "mommy he's poking me" aspect of rightwing whining is disgraceful and repugnant and certainly not fit for a man who has passed puberty.

I assume that you have passed puberty yes?

the AZ law is nearly identical to federal law, odious or otherwise....what's 'unConstitutional' is how easily the feds pander to business and worse to the Hispanics for their votes, all the while ignoring their own law....chill out

228 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:11:20am

re: #222 Charles

If you saw a popup window, it was not intentional. Unfortunately, sometimes advertisers get sneaky and slip in popup windows or audio, every few thousand page loads.

If you post the URL of the popup window I'll make sure that advertiser is blocked.

I have a suggestion that may be impossible to do. I'd love to see a ad free. fast loading blog for subscribers.

229 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:11:40am

OT: I'm on my RDO and feeling fine. Please throw me your favorite cultural link to check out on this wonderful Friday morning.

Here is one for ya'll just to be fair. Dogglounge Radio... even if you aren't into Deep House the guy's website is pretty nice looking, for a quick peek.

[Link: www.dogglounge.com...]

Peace and happy weekend to all the brothers and sisters.

230 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:11:52am

re: #215 iceweasel

We miss you all too!
We've been having a great time though-- lots of sightseeing and general hanging out. NYC in spring is pretty excellent-- also, I want to visit everything since I don't know how long it will be til we live here again. :(

Off now to the planetarium and Central Park-- have fun, everyone!

Icebaby. How are you?

231 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:11:55am

re: #222 Charles

I've never gotten a popup from LGF, for the record.

I find the targeted ads interesting, as a point of data about what the market things about LGF.

232 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:12:57am

re: #227 albusteve

the AZ law is nearly identical to federal law, odious or otherwise...what's 'unConstitutional' is how easily the feds pander to business and worse to the Hispanics for their votes, all the while ignoring their own law...chill out

Which Feds? Jeb or George W. Bush or Marco Rubio?

233 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:13:09am

re: #198 iceweasel

It's completely accurate that until very recently (like last fall), doing so would land you in the bottom ten, whereas a brilliant and insightful post saying nothing but "FUCK OBAMA" or similar would land in the top ten.

Now, not so much.
Stuff in the top ten tends to be intelligent and articulate and expressing a variety of opinion; stuff in the bottom tends to be the genuinely abusive posts (and posters).
I realise not everyone is happy about that change.

Never taboo.
Never.

234 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:13:33am

re: #227 albusteve

the AZ law is nearly identical to federal law, odious or otherwise...what's 'unConstitutional' is how easily the feds pander to business and worse to the Hispanics for their votes, all the while ignoring their own law...chill out

What is unconstitutional is the direct violations of established federal law in the civil rights acts. You do not get to sweep that under the rug.

235 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:13:33am

re: #225 ludwigvanquixote

True to form, you miss the point to whine shamelessly, miss the point wen called on your nonsense, blame others for your failures, and call names, all the time.

Grow up.

Your mad-libs insultacycle is getting pretty predictable.

236 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:14:27am

re: #205 iceweasel

Heh. Balloon Juice and a couple of other places call him the Fonzi of Freedom.


Bobo and Chunky David Brooks and Dick Whisper are good ones too....

(David Brooks, Ross Douthat (which i always read a Douchehat) and Dana Millbank)

237 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:14:33am

re: #211 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, really. Go ahead and rewrite history if you want but I won't be a part of it. As long as I've been here, this site always had differing viewpoints being vigorously discussed and argued. While the emphasis has certainly changed, nothing was ever "taboo" or verboten as far as I was concerned.

So you took my entire statement about my personal experience on LGF and label it "total bullshit" because you have a slightly different understanding of the definition of the word "taboo" as I do?

Don't you think that maybe you were a bit harsh? Do you think that maybe you can use context and try to understand what I'm saying rather than create a big ass drama over absolutely nothing?

Seriously...

238 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:15:11am

Texas man faked way into Army

FORT WORTH, Texas – A Texas man with no military experience tricked the Army into letting him enter a reserve unit as a noncommissioned officer earlier this year, a deception that placed an untrained soldier in a leadership position in a time of war, an Associated Press investigation has found.

The revelation comes just months after the Army drew criticism for failing to flag the suspicious activities of the Army psychiatrist now charged with killing 13 and wounding dozens of others at Fort Hood.

The case, detailed in court records and other documents examined by the AP, raises more questions about the Army's ability to vet soldiers' backgrounds as it faces continued pressure from Congress over its screening and records system. While the soldier never deployed overseas, some say the case demonstrates how easily someone could pose as a member of the U.S. military.

Jesse Bernard Johnston III, 26, joined the Army Reserve in February as a sergeant and was assigned to the Corps Support Airplane Company based at the Fort Worth Naval Air Station. But he wasn't qualified to hold that rank, according to military records obtained by the AP. The records show that Johnston's only military experience was attending part of a 12-week Marine officer candidate course for college students in 2004.

239 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:15:30am

re: #234 ludwigvanquixote

What is unconstitutional is the direct violations of established federal law in the civil rights acts. You do not get to sweep that under the rug.

tough shit isn't it?....must really piss you off, but the feds are responsible, regardless of the AZ law

240 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:15:39am

re: #231 Obdicut

I've never gotten a popup from LGF, for the record.

I find the targeted ads interesting, as a point of data about what the market things about LGF.

I would love to see a gold ad for a Beck thread...

241 dugmartsch  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:15:55am

"Love to see this one get played out with the meat-packing industry, or a soda company that accidentally dumped strychnine into the Grape Surprise Fizz."

I think something like this would actually fall right into the libertarian solution. No one else would drink grape surprise fizz, the people who died would have legal recourse, and there would be some pretty powerful incentives to make sure it didn't happen in the first place.

The problem with the libertarian argument for regulation is that while it might protect consumers, it never protects workers.

It is also terrible at managing unpriced externalities, of which the BP oil spill is a great example. Aside from lost revenue from the lost revenue of the spilled oil, there'd be no impact to the company which caused the environmental calamity, and no way to force them to clean it up. They might be made to be responsible through market forces and bad publicity, but an organization with that kind of market cap and no powerful central government to lean on it would have a pr field day. As even with the powerful central enforcement agency they still are waging a massively effective pr campaign that seeks to limit their liability.

There are, of course, libertarian arguments that could be made to counter everything I've just said. I don't find them persuasive and am not a libertarian. But Paul isn't making any of them. He's not just a libertarian, he's a stupid libertarian who says stupid, transparently unconvincing things on national TV. No intelligent libertarian would allow themselves to be backed into the rhetorical corners that Rand Paul seems to sprint into as quickly as possible.

242 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:16:24am

re: #219 iceweasel

We're talking about the commentariat. As you know.

What the fuck is "the commentariat"?
Good grief.

243 jvic  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:17:23am

Somebody should ask Rand Paul what he thinks about the Irish Potato Famine.

244 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:17:51am

re: #239 albusteve

tough shit isn't it?...must really piss you off, but the feds are responsible, regardless of the AZ law

It's amazing to me that Obama will come out and tell complete and total lies and that doesn't seem to bother some people. Those rascally right-wingers though, they are the devil.

245 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:17:52am

re: #235 cliffster

Your mad-libs insultacycle is getting pretty predictable.

Yes yes, the liberals did it first... Mommy he's poking meeeee.....

Let's try this again.

AZ made the law. Az right wing nuts and actual, eugenics preaching Nazis helped pen it. It is a terrible and inherrently racist law in its application. They did this stating openly that they were sticking their thumbs in the eye of the Federal Government.

You are now blaming the head of the federal government for responding.

You are now blaming me for pointing out your BS.

In both cases you are whining like a child and letting your false sense of entitlement get in the way of noticing your hypocrisy.

246 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:18:00am

re: #242 Spare O'Lake

What the fuck is "the commentariat"?
Good grief.

Main Entry: commentariat
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a collective term for commentators and analysts of the news
Etymology: 1997
Usage: slang

247 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:18:26am

re: #241 dugmartsch

I think something like this would actually fall right into the libertarian solution. No one else would drink grape surprise fizz, the people who died would have legal recourse,


Well except for that whole needing to die first for the solutions to kick in.
Besides that it could be awesome....

248 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:18:34am

re: #211 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, really. Go ahead and rewrite history if you want but I won't be a part of it. As long as I've been here, this site always had differing viewpoints being vigorously discussed and argued. While the emphasis has certainly changed, nothing was ever "taboo" or verboten as far as I was concerned.

Ya know what? I'm sorry I butt into your conversation with Ice. I don't want any part of it. It would only be for the stalkers to copy anyway.

249 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:18:38am

re: #237 Locker

So you took my entire statement about my personal experience on LGF and label it "total bullshit" because you have a slightly different understanding of the definition of the word "taboo" as I do?

Don't you think that maybe you were a bit harsh? Do you think that maybe you can use context and try to understand what I'm saying rather than create a big ass drama over absolutely nothing?

Seriously...

Seems to me that you and the Iceweasel were the ones who were creating the drama.

250 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:19:30am

re: #245 ludwigvanquixote

Yes yes, the liberals did it first... Mommy he's poking meee...

Let's try this again.

AZ made the law. Az right wing nuts and actual, eugenics preaching Nazis helped pen it. It is a terrible and inherrently racist law in its application. They did this stating openly that they were sticking their thumbs in the eye of the Federal Government.

You are now blaming the head of the federal government for responding.

You are now blaming me for pointing out your BS.

In both cases you are whining like a child and letting your false sense of entitlement get in the way of noticing your hypocrisy.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!11!!!

251 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:19:39am

check you lizards later.

252 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:20:11am

re: #251 marjoriemoon

check you lizards later.

Have a great day!

253 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:20:25am

Scott Brown key to Wall St. bill passage

In January, he broke the Democrats’ lock on the Senate.

On Thursday, he gave it back.

Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) effectively became the 60th vote to cut off debate on Wall Street reform Thursday — a far cry from when Republicans were hailing him as the 41st GOP-er who was going to stand up to the Democrats’ agenda. Brown also voted yes on final passage.

Brown’s vote allowed Democrats to move swiftly toward final passage of one of President Barack Obama’s top legislative priorities, a day after Brown was accused of breaking his word by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who said Brown had promised to vote yes Wednesday.

By Thursday, though, Brown switched from no to yes, after a talk with Reid and a full-on sales pitch from Democrats in the Massachusetts delegation, including Sen. John Kerry, who argued that the bill is good for the state. Brown met Kerry at the Democrat's Georgetown home at 6 a.m. Thursday for a bike ride, during which they discussed the pending bill extensively, Brown said...

Checkmate Tea Party! /

254 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:21:04am

re: #246 Varek Raith

Sounds red.

255 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:21:15am

re: #253 Gus 802

That guy is a pleasant surprise.

256 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:21:34am

re: #249 Spare O'Lake

Seems to me that you and the Iceweasel were the ones who were creating the drama.

Were you hit or ridiculed a lot as a child? Seriously it seems like you get off on negative attention. We were having a friendly and positive discussion about how much better things are and here you come with your "total bullshit" yadda yadda yadda.

Do you need people to lob hand grenades at you all day for you to feel loved or something? Seriously this act really doesn't make much sense.

257 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:21:57am

re: #245 ludwigvanquixote

What the fuck is wrong with you? I didn't say anything to you, you just come in and right out of the gates start flinging insults at me. Fuck off, seriously.

258 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:21:58am

re: #253 Gus 802

Scott Brown key to Wall St. bill passage

Checkmate Tea Party! /

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."

259 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:22:07am

re: #255 Obdicut

That guy is a pleasant surprise.

He is on frequent occasion. Plus, he's responsible for making a lot of people turn blue -- which is a big plus.

260 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:22:43am

re: #250 Varek Raith

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!11!!!

Yes, for the right, it seems that personal responsibility applies to everyone but themselves.

261 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:22:51am

re: #255 Obdicut

That guy is a pleasant surprise.

I'm certain the TBers are surprised.

262 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:23:16am

re: #257 cliffster

What the fuck is wrong with you? I didn't say anything to you, you just come in and right out of the gates start flinging insults at me. Fuck off, seriously.

I have yet to insult you. However, if you wish...

Your mother was a hamster.

263 KingKenrod  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:23:32am

re: #234 ludwigvanquixote

What is unconstitutional is the direct violations of established federal law in the civil rights acts. You do not get to sweep that under the rug.

If that were obviously true, the Justice Dept. would have already filed an injunction to prevent the law from going into effect in July. A training program for the new law has already been developed, so time is running out.

264 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:23:56am

re: #262 ludwigvanquixote

I have yet to insult you. However, if you wish...

Your mother was a hamster.

Don't call me shoeless. YOU'RE SHOELESS!

265 oklahoma  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:24:11am

OT but I thought the remarks by President Calderone were rather interesting.

Youtube Video
266 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:25:00am

re: #264 Locker

Don't call me shoeless. YOU'RE SHOELESS!

Shoeless Joe..Is that you?
/

267 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:25:58am

re: #218 avanti

Not going to disagree with my friends on the right. Obama will ride the immigration issue like a big dog. He's nothing if not a consummate politician that courts the Hispanic vote while the GOP drives them away.

you say "courting," I say "pandering," but the GOP driving away some Latino voters is clearly true.

268 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:26:53am

re: #266 HoosierHoops

Shoeless Joe..Is that you?
/

Suspect is hatless. I repeat, hatless.

269 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:26:57am

re: #266 HoosierHoops

Shoeless Joe..Is that you?
/

I thought you were talking about Biden ("Clueless Joe")

270 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:27:28am

re: #253 Gus 802

Hate to admit it but I'm liking Brown more.

271 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:27:30am

re: #263 KingKenrod

If that were obviously true, the Justice Dept. would have already filed an injunction to prevent the law from going into effect in July. A training program for the new law has already been developed, so time is running out.

OR it is simple political cowardice and taking the expedient route of getting their SCOTUS nominee passed and letting the courts handle it.

I vote for cowardice.

272 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:27:51am

re: #264 Locker

Don't call me shoeless. YOU'RE SHOELESS!

And by the way, "Alligators" are ornery 'cause of their "Medula Oblongata"!

273 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:28:53am

re: #248 marjoriemoon

Ya know what? I'm sorry I butt into your conversation with Ice. I don't want any part of it. It would only be for the stalkers to copy anyway.

I couldn't give a flying crap about stalkers.

274 subsailor68  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:29:23am

Hi all! Here's a link to and ABC (Phoenix affiliate it appears) article comparing the Arizona law to the federal immigration law, and has some links to the specific AZ law and the applicable federal laws.

Is federal immigration law different from Arizona's new law?

I'm not a constitutional lawyer, so I'll defer to those with expertise in that area, but it does appear that the Arizona law conforms to existing federal law and, if the reporter is correct, the AZ law does prohibit profiling - but how that would work in practice is anyone's guess.

275 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:29:46am

re: #182 Gus 802

GOP!

D'oh!

/Still trying to figure out what the GOP is going to do with runt, Rand Paul. But he's their baby now.

/

Brilliant!

276 Stonemason  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:29:50am

re: #243 jvic

Somebody should ask Rand Paul what he thinks about the Irish Potato Famine.

Yeah, I can only get them in March, the rest of the year I have to make my own

uhhh, you did mean those yummy coconut and cinamon balls, right?

277 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:29:56am

OT: I'm looking for some information on how to set up proper test cases. Specifically for comparing the aspects and properties of similar products.

For example I want to provide a review on different brands of yellow mustard. How can I set up a proper test case for each type of mustard so my perspective is the "most consistent".

In wine tasting and even bbq tasting i believe they cleanse there palette between each sample but I'm not sure if there is a standardized methodology for this type of thing.

278 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:30:01am

the paul family is like a cornucopia of stupid

279 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:30:18am

Ah yes, BP. What a wonderful corporation. The same nuts that brought us the Texas City oil refinery explosion. Some of this led to the resignation of the previous CEO, Lord John Browne:

The head of BP (Lord John Browne) retired early amid the various problems plaguing BP in 2005 and 2006 (including the problems at Texas City, the shutdown of the Alaska pipeline, allegations of propane market manipulation, and start-up delays of the Thunderhorse project in the Gulf-of-Mexico).

However, the reality is that he stepped down because he was gay (oil companies are typically on the so-con end):

On 6 January 2007, Browne won his first interim injunction against the allegations by his former homosexual lover being published. He later disclosed being"terrified" that his sexuality would be revealed publicly. A week later it was announced that his retirement date had been brought forward to July 2007 and that he would be succeeded by Tony Hayward. In April 2007, after a court case lasting over four weeks, Browne appealed to the Judicial Committee of the House of Lords, who ruled that he could not prevent Associated Newspapers from printing allegations about his romantic life and alleged misuse of company funds. Lord Browne resigned from BP on 1 May 2007, and resigned as a non-executive director of Goldman Sachs on 10 May 2007.

At the time he faced allegtions that he had supported his boyfriend, Canadian Jeff Chevalier, throughout their four-year relationship, and when Chevalier moved back to Toronto at the end of the relationship, that Browne paid for 12 months of a lease on an apartment...

The current CEO, Tony Hayward, should also step down. I have the perfect idea for his replacement, "Lord" Christopher Monckton.

280 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:30:44am

re: #278 SpaceJesus

the paul family is like a cornucopia of stupid

I have to disagree. They are very evil and very intelligently evil.

281 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:30:56am

Hola, mein scaly drugi!

Just came from a meeting - it's for the new gig - with the leadership of Fu Jen University and His Excellency the Minister of Education of the ROC. Good time had by all - we're going to the Alamo tomorrow and generally showing them around the Lone Star State.

FJU - a Catholic College with Confucius as their mascot - has a keen interest in the States, and we have been fortunate enough to broker a partnership with them.

282 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:31:19am

re: #278 SpaceJesus

the paul family is like a cornucopia of stupid

I don't know. Mrs. Paul has been doing all right for herself, what with the fish sticks and all.

283 dugmartsch  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:31:27am

re: #247 webevintage

Well except for that whole needing to die first for the solutions to kick in.
Besides that it could be awesome...

Right, but I'm just saying that you could convince me that corporate interests could be sufficiently aligned to make consumer related product disasters punishing, and mostly prevented, without government regulation.

Of course the first thing it would require is that all social pressure available was brought to bear on the offending parties, including the media, so for Rand to go on TV and spin for BP is anti-libertarian.

I'm still waiting for a libertarian site I respect to call Rand out for his stupidity, but I think they're just still too giddy over the fact that someone who might be a senator identifies as a libertarian to see that their ideology is being co-opted.

284 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:31:58am

re: #270 JasonA

Hate to admit it but I'm liking Brown more.

But what about those awful things he said after the IRS building bomber?

285 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:32:00am

re: #280 ludwigvanquixote

I have to disagree. They are very evil and very intelligently evil.


but how can you be intelligent and also wrong 98% of the time

286 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:32:09am

re: #281 Guanxi88

Just a friendly reminder that what's out on the internet, stays out on the internet. CYA in all cases. Good to see you man.

287 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:32:29am

i do think ru paul is kind of funny though i guess

288 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:32:53am

re: #284 cliffster

But what about those awful things he said after the IRS building bomber?

Yep, I have not forgotten that. Guy is slippery.

289 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:00am

re: #285 SpaceJesus

but how can you be intelligent and also wrong 98% of the time

Years of practice.

290 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:00am

re: #284 cliffster

But what about those awful things he said after the IRS building bomber?

Irrelevant now; it was useful for harming the GOP and the Tea Party movement; now that he's done that which is politically favored, he's a great guy.

291 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:24am

re: #256 Locker

Were you hit or ridiculed a lot as a child? Seriously it seems like you get off on negative attention. We were having a friendly and positive discussion about how much better things are and here you come with your "total bullshit" yadda yadda yadda.

Do you need people to lob hand grenades at you all day for you to feel loved or something? Seriously this act really doesn't make much sense.

No act - what you see is what you get.
Save the psychoanalysis.
I hate bullshit and I hate cheap shot artists.

292 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:43am

re: #200 ludwigvanquixote

(excerpted; this is not the whole of the original post)

The message that the majority is actually a victim in its own nation will always be a rallying call for the lowest common denominator of that majority. If there is an obvious target that is not of the majority doing well in the nation, then the lower echelons of that majority have an easy target to hate. They reason, "why am I poor and having a hard time, when these "lessers" are doing so well?" To this day, unrepentant Nazis - the real ones - will point to how many Jews were professors and medical doctors and attorneys. They will say that the "Jews went too far." How they were establishing themselves as a middle class when it seemed to the lower echelons of Germany, that the German majority was only sinking lower was "too much." This was the great central message of the Nazis.

Of course this message is not unique to Nazis. If you are some sort of angry and frightened white trash, then a black president certainly "went too far." And there are the two major components of the mix: a false sense of white victimization, and a convenient other to be jealous of for "stealing" the white's place.

The business establishment likes the hyper free enterprise aspect that is mixed in with the Teabag message. The GOP is deciding to go with it because they think they can control it. Similar groups failed to control it in Germany. See it for what it is and for the love of God, America and everything that we hold dear in this nation, fight against it.

One way to fight this fire is to stop throwing kerosene on it. Any time there are legitimate grievances mixed in with the contrived ones, it's that much easier to recruit. The Ricci plaintiffs were not white trash. They were plain old firefighters who'd worked very hard to prepare for a test they were told would decide who won promotion.

Another way is to end the hypocrisy of claiming that you're acting to end discrimination when what you're actually doing is channeling the 1930s.

In California, admissions to medical school are decided with an eye to maintaining diversity. To the adminstrators, this means that just as no group may succeed too little, neither may any group succeed too well. In the name of anti-discrimination, they are doing exactly, precisely what they preach to be wrong: holding people down because of their race, out of a sense that their demographic already has too big a piece of the pie.

A case in point: a story in the news some years back, brought to public attention by Ward Connerly: (details from memory so this may not be absolutely accurate, but the gist of it is) this young Asian guy got perfect scores on the SAT. He had a track record in the science fair. He had top grades in college, at one of the better CA schools, and graduated with honors. He didn't come from a privileged background. He applied to medical schools in CA, and to some out of state schools.

He was rejected for admissions at every last CA school, even though by any objective standard, he was a far more promising candidate than almost everyone who was admitted. At the out-of-state schools, he was accepted. He eventually went to Johns Hopkins.

When the discrimination reaches the point that you might as well be a black person trying to be served at a lunch counter in Alabama 1955, it becomes impossible to put enough lipstick on the pig to hide that it's a pig. This pig is the work of white Democrats in California. Nobody seems to worry that the nation's most powerful and populous state is already well down this road.

293 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:48am

The suspects have been identified in the fatal shooting of two West Memphis police officers and they were neither Hispanic nor illegal aliens

294 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:53am

New thread!

Look! There it is. It's official.

The GOP has gone Paulian!

Woohoo!

Quack.

295 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:54am

re: #286 Locker

Just a friendly reminder that what's out on the internet, stays out on the internet. CYA in all cases. Good to see you man.

Hell, we had press (Chinese-language, of course) and the whole 9 yards - no secrecy there; and the bosses rather know my personality and politics, so it's all good.

296 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:59am

re: #285 SpaceJesus

but how can you be intelligent and also wrong 98% of the time

ironic question

297 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:34:08am

re: #284 cliffster

But what about those awful things he said after the IRS building bomber?

They were really stupid. They're not the only thing he's ever done.

298 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:34:46am

re: #285 SpaceJesus

but how can you be intelligent and also wrong 98% of the time

They do it by assuming that you are so smart that data and contradictory reality are of lesser value than your "insights."

Palin is stupid.

Beck is of average intelligence, but a skilled entertainer, who has found his niche.

Rush is slightly above average intelligence, but also a skilled entertainer that has found a niche.

The Pauls are very smart. They are the most dangerous.

299 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:34:49am

re: #288 Stanley Sea

Yep, I have not forgotten that. Guy is slippery.

But he has a sweet truck....

300 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:34:52am

re: #284 cliffster

What about them? I said I was liking him more, but it's not like he had a great position right out of the gate...

301 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:35:11am

re: #272 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And by the way, "Alligators" are ornery 'cause of their "Medula Oblongata"!

I couldn't admire your segue from Towlie to The Water Boy any more than I do right now. Excellent work my boy. Brilliant!

Whenever you're dealing with a Water Boy don't forget to bring a towel!

(Psst... wannagethigh?)

302 BlackFedora  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:36:09am

Its perfectly legitimate to criticize business when business is negligent as sometimes does occur. This is not an issue of patriotism at all.

I see a failed presidential bid in the future of Rand Paul after which he endorses Chuck Baldwin like his father did (saying that Baldwin's views were very close to his own.)

303 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:36:39am

re: #283 dugmartsch

Right, but I'm just saying that you could convince me that corporate interests could be sufficiently aligned to make consumer related product disasters punishing, and mostly prevented, without government regulation.

Of course the first thing it would require is that all social pressure available was brought to bear on the offending parties, including the media, so for Rand to go on TV and spin for BP is anti-libertarian.

I'm still waiting for a libertarian site I respect to call Rand out for his stupidity, but I think they're just still too giddy over the fact that someone who might be a senator identifies as a libertarian to see that their ideology is being co-opted.

Social pressure? Are you joking?

The only way to achieve what was bolded above is regulations. Laws. Thinking otherwise is just magical thinking.

We don't need punishments after the fact, we need prevention before the fact. Regulatory agencies can accomplish that. The 'invisible hand' cannot.

304 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:37:09am

re: #291 Spare O'Lake

No act - what you see is what you get.
Save the psychoanalysis.
I hate bullshit and I hate cheap shot artists.

Then why act like one? You took a complete cheap shot at me and now you are saying you hate cheap shot artists. If you want folks to react differently to you then YOU have to change your behavior. I can't do it for you.

305 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:37:59am

re: #301 Locker

Are you saying there's a Towlie ban?

306 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:38:40am

re: #304 Locker

Then why act like one? You took a complete cheap shot at me and now you are saying you hate cheap shot artists. If you want folks to react differently to you then YOU have to change your behavior. I can't do it for you.

you might review your own post history, it's full of mean spirited, cheap shots....you are not fooling everybody here with your whining

307 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:39:31am

re: #298 ludwigvanquixote


meh, i think cunning and intelligence are somewhat different from each other

308 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:39:47am

re: #305 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are you saying there's a Towlie ban?

That actually caused me to physically react as if someone had just jabbed me in the chest. Bad man... soooo bad.

309 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:40:16am

re: #308 Locker

That actually caused me to physically react as if someone had just jabbed me in the chest. Bad man... sooo bad.

You never saw that episode?

310 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:40:22am

re: #304 Locker

Then why act like one? You took a complete cheap shot at me and now you are saying you hate cheap shot artists. If you want folks to react differently to you then YOU have to change your behavior. I can't do it for you.

Fascinating.

311 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:40:33am

re: #306 albusteve

you might review your own post history, it's full of mean spirited, cheap shots...you are not fooling everybody here with your whining

Yea and I'm not the one that said I hate cheap shot artists. You are truly an unintelligent person.

312 Locker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:41:08am

re: #309 Mad Al-Jaffee

You never saw that episode?

I did man but you blindsided me. I normally see it coming from a long way away and you clobbered me with the obvious. It was horrible...

313 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:42:34am

re: #312 Locker

I did man but you blindsided me. I normally see it coming from a long way away and you clobbered me with the obvious. It was horrible...

I saw that one before I saw the episode that introduced Towelie. Didn't quite get the character at first. That was also the one where the military thought an Afghan goat was Stevie Nicks.

314 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:42:52am

re: #222 Charles

If you saw a popup window, it was not intentional. Unfortunately, sometimes advertisers get sneaky and slip in popup windows or audio, every few thousand page loads.

If you post the URL of the popup window I'll make sure that advertiser is blocked.

Thanks! I will if I get it again...I'm fast with the red "close window button".

315 Boogberg  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:43:02am

re: #222 Charles

Yeah I saw one of those annoying ads that blocks what you're trying to read too (follows your cursor around). Only happened once earlier today. Animated banner ads, double underline ads, even interactive cursor rollover ads are ok. But don't make me close an ad just to read content. I take that back. If it's a really, REALLY good full screen ad, I would consider watching it if I had the option of skipping it immediately. Some of them are quite good.

316 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:43:49am

re: #310 Spare O'Lake

Fascinating.

That you, Spock?

317 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:44:30am

re: #123 Fozzie Bear

"Consider the impasse of a one-god universe,
He is all-knowing and all-powerful.
He can't go anywhere since he is already everywhere.
He can't do anything since the act of doing presupposes opposition."
- Burroughs

What's the difference, really?

Which Burroughs is that?

318 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:45:25am

.re: #316 Guanxi88

That you, Spock?

What can I say? Sometimes the projection and the hypocrisy is simply breathtaking.

319 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:45:36am

re: #317 Cato the Elder

Which Burroughs is that?

William S Burroughs

320 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:45:43am

re: #298 ludwigvanquixote

They do it by assuming that you are so smart that data and contradictory reality are of lesser value than your "insights."

Palin is stupid.

Beck is of average intelligence, but a skilled entertainer, who has found his niche.

Rush is slightly above average intelligence, but also a skilled entertainer that has found a niche.

The Pauls are very smart. They are the most dangerous.

Hi Ludwig! Always nice seeing you here...
Now...I think Palin isn't stupid at all.. She may be a misguided inexpeirenced politician..But it is an underestimation of her and her 'Star' Power...
She didn't become a Gov. by being stupid....
She played point guard in her high school basketball team and won a state Championship.. They means leadership and skill running a team...
Trust me..The point runs a team...Just like a QB in football.. They run the show...She showed great leadership skills and is not stupid....
/God bless you tonight when the sun goes down

321 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:46:41am

re: #317 Cato the Elder

Which Burroughs is that?

William S. Burroughs.

322 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:47:39am

re: #292 lostlakehiker

One way to fight this fire is to stop throwing kerosene on it. Any time there are legitimate grievances mixed in with the contrived ones, it's that much easier to recruit.

That is part of the strategy yes? That is what they are doing. Their racism needs to seem reasonable, so they can call it something other than racism.

The Ricci plaintiffs were not white trash. They were plain old firefighters who'd worked very hard to prepare for a test they were told would decide who won promotion.

True, now compare that to the number of Black and brown folks put on death row when a white plaintiff would likely not have been for the same crime, and you might have a point... Assuming things were fair there. Any idea that the courts favor brown people is stupid.

Another way is to end the hypocrisy of claiming that you're acting to end discrimination when what you're actually doing is channeling the 1930s.

The Teabaggers are channeling the 30's. I am pointing it out so that people wake up to that reality.

In California, admissions to medical school are decided with an eye to maintaining diversity. To the adminstrators, this means that just as no group may succeed too little, neither may any group succeed too well. In the name of anti-discrimination, they are doing exactly, precisely what they preach to be wrong: holding people down because of their race, out of a sense that their demographic already has too big a piece of the pie.

The discussion has moved well beyond Affirmative Action. However, with regards to that, any notion that the disadvantaged sectors of America have it too easy is stupid. They are not taking the place of poor, more deserving whites in general.

Your conversation about admissions is silly. Getting into any top flight program is a crap shoot. There are literally dozens of factors once someone has made a cutoff. Simply put, there are 20 qualified for each slot.

I got 1570 on the SAT, was through vector calculus, linear algebra, Diff EQ's and Real Analysis- with A's from a local college, had 5's on seven AP exams, (specifically physics 1&2, calc 1&2, American history, European history and English lit), trophies from national mathematics competitions, state and regional fencing trophies, martial arts background, multiple languages spoken, a slew of extra curriculars and community service - and yet I did not get into everywhere I applied. Of course, I applied to 10 schools in the top ten. I got into three. That is just the way it goes.

323 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:49:17am

re: #320 HoosierHoops

Hi Ludwig! Always nice seeing you here...
Now...I think Palin isn't stupid at all.. She may be a misguided inexpeirenced politician..But it is an underestimation of her and her 'Star' Power...
She didn't become a Gov. by being stupid...
She played point guard in her high school basketball team and won a state Championship.. They means leadership and skill running a team...
Trust me..The point runs a team...Just like a QB in football.. They run the show...She showed great leadership skills and is not stupid...
/God bless you tonight when the sun goes down

Always lovely to see you too hoops!

324 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:50:06am
Accidents happen


Once is an accident. But after the big refinery fire, BP's had its accident.

Oh well. Rand Paul is going to hurt the GOP. If he loses, he's lost the party a senate seat. If he wins, he'll lose the party a lot of respect and legitimacy.
backslashbegin{randpaulspeak}
Republicans aren't at fault for this, though. It's not as though the Republican voter base had anything to do with it. Accidents happen, is all.
backslashend{randpaulspeak}

325 onetwo  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:51:16am

The Chairman of BP has been mysteriously silent during all of this. After complaints from british media he recently made his first public comment.

Youtube Video
326 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:53:01am

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LOL
I told a Grateful Dead Joke once a couple of years ago...Boy oh boy it was like Hellfire missiles raining down...
I don't tell Dead head jokes anymore :)

I once commented that Saddam writing romance novels made sense because of the soppy romantic streak in Arab culture.

Some folks took that amiss.

327 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:53:47am

re: #298 ludwigvanquixote

They do it by assuming that you are so smart that data and contradictory reality are of lesser value than your "insights."

Palin is stupid.

Beck is of average intelligence, but a skilled entertainer, who has found his niche.

Rush is slightly above average intelligence, but also a skilled entertainer that has found a niche.

The Pauls are very smart. They are the most dangerous.

Palin is the least intelligent of the lot but she's still smart compared to your brand X college graduate. So sayeth no lesser a judge than Camille Paglia.

Palin, like Limbaugh, affects the common tone. She almost certainly could adopt the mannerisms and vocabulary of a more refined set. She doesn't see the advantage in it.

Unlike Hillary Clinton, who turns this tone on and off and suffers from outing herself as a phony, Palin remains "in character" all the time.

328 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:54:19am

Okay...time to hop into Zed (our name for the Z) and go to Monterey...should

I take the fast route?

Or the scenic route?

It's only a 14 minute difference, and I'm halfway between the two starting points...I think I'll go down the coast. I can make up 14 minutes before I get to Santa Cruz.

Have a beautiful day, everyone. I'm going to go look at my ocean for a while (I love the Pacific as much as I do the Sierras).

329 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:54:53am

Correction to 322,

I also got 5's on AP Biology and Chemistry.

The point is that I was as strong an applicant to the top tier schools as any, and even with that, no-one can guarantee getting into any given one of them. If they need a tuba player that year and you don't play tuba, then the person with similar qualifications, but plays tuba, gets the slot.

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:55:27am

re: #88 iceweasel

Wisconsin bar burns Obama effigy with duct tape wrapped around its neck as crowd laughs and cheers.


Video at link.
Also, What the hell?

Oh, great.

331 palomino  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:55:54am

The World According to Rand:

Protecting the human rights of actual oppressed American citizens (via legislation like the 1964 Civil Rights Act)--not American

Protecting what remains of the good name of a foreign corporation--now that's American!

Once again, his arrogant absolutist ideology gets in the way of a shred of pragmatism. This douchebag might even find a way to lose in KY, where the Dems should have no shot.

332 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:56:12am

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LOL
I told a Grateful Dead Joke once a couple of years ago...Boy oh boy it was like Hellfire missiles raining down...
I don't tell Dead head jokes anymore :)

As a deadicated head, I do appreciate that, but don't hold back on my account. I love head jokes (I'm winking at you, Sarah Palin)...

333 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:56:48am

re: #282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't know. Mrs. Paul has been doing all right for herself, what with the fish sticks and all.

Their new "Gulf Coast" brand comes pre-oiled for the fryer! Even more convenient for the cook on the go!

///

334 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:57:16am

re: #329 ludwigvanquixote

Correction to 322,

I also got 5's on AP Biology and Chemistry.

The point is that I was as strong an applicant to the top tier schools as any, and even with that, no-one can guarantee getting into any given one of them. If they need a tuba player that year and you don't play tuba, then the person with similar qualifications, but plays tuba, gets the slot.

You sure had great marks.

335 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:57:53am

re: #328 darthstar

Okay...time to hop into Zed (our name for the Z) and go to Monterey...should

I take the fast route?

Or the scenic route?

It's only a 14 minute difference, and I'm halfway between the two starting points...I think I'll go down the coast. I can make up 14 minutes before I get to Santa Cruz.

Have a beautiful day, everyone. I'm going to go look at my ocean for a while (I love the Pacific as much as I do the Sierras).

STOP IT!
I am so jealous! You live off 17?
I love the boardwalk...I have ridden the wooden roller coaster like a trillion times or so :)

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:58:23am

re: #103 Spare O'Lake

Total bullshit.

No, it isn't. I do recall what it was like. Avanti was considered a psychotic communist--for reasons I never worked out. People were down-dinged for saying they'd voted for Democrats.

337 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:02:59pm

re: #336 SanFranciscoZionist

It was never taboo to express liberal viewpoints. Never.

338 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:03:13pm

re: #169 avanti

Maybe someday we can have a prisoner exchange program. Instead of booting a nut, we can trade for a rational poster trapped over there.:)

We are all free lizards.

339 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:03:17pm

re: #334 Spare O'Lake

You sure had great marks.

Thank you, but my point is not to brag about them. My point is that when I was applying to college, even with all the advanced work I had done, and even with the fact that I was also an accomplished athlete and had done much volunteer service, I still could not guarantee admission to every school I applied to and that no one can.

340 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:03:46pm

re: #328 darthstar

Okay...time to hop into Zed (our name for the Z) and go to Monterey...should

I take the fast route?

Or the scenic route?

Whichever one has the most sharp turns.

341 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:03:59pm

re: #322 ludwigvanquixote

And I had As and Cs in highschool, okay SATs, hadn't taken US history or Calculus, and I got into UofC and Cornell.

Definite crapshoot.

342 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:04:57pm

re: #339 ludwigvanquixote

Thank you, but my point is not to brag about them. My point is that when I was applying to college, even with all the advanced work I had done, and even with the fact that I was also an accomplished athlete and had done much volunteer service, I still could not guarantee admission to every school I applied to and that no one can.

Maybe if you had lost the ponytail.

343 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:06:09pm

And by the way, speaking of top tier admissions, there is one group that never comes up for this discussion.

Wealthy white legacies.

IF you want to complain about some black person with lesser marks getting into Yale, I think it is high time we remind people of folks like W, who had absolutely no business being at Yale.

Those people, unlike folks like me, who had to actually work in school, were guaranteed admission.

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:06:21pm

re: #175 Spare O'Lake

It is total bullshit to seriously maintain that it was ever "taboo to say anything progressive or liberal" on this site.

OK, that is COMPLETE BS. Sorry, but I got downdinged in my early days for admitting to having voted for Barack Obama. Every thread started with a litany of complaints about the stupid liberals. You could get nailed to the wall for any deviation from the right-Republican norm.

Now, I am aware that some people feel we've swung too far the other way, but the fact remains that a couple of years ago, this was a solidly right-wing house, and visiting liberals were not treated like honored guests.

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:08:27pm

re: #181 Thanos

That's why Rachel's point about lead in toys was so salient last night, all these anarcho capitalist wingnuts think business should be 100 percent unfettered. They live in an imaginary world where only the good effects of that are seen, and none of the suicides at the IPOD factory ever get mentioned.

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

Interestingly, they have the same basic problem that Communists do--what they're describing would work perfectly well in a very small, almost entirely localized agrarian community.

It falls to pieces when confronted with a modern economy, though.

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:09:19pm

re: #183 avanti

As Rush says oil is just as natural as sea water. Why all the fuss ?/

As I say, when that comes up, so is air, but you don't want it injected into your bloodstream.

347 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:09:53pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

"DCBryan1" is the poor freeper who started the whole "illegal alien shooter" narrative that has taken over the far right's coverage of the West Memphis police shootings. He is backpeddling hard now, under a barrage of cross-examination and recrimination.
To be fair, DC only reported what he had heard on the police scanner during the chaos immediately after the shootings, and others ran (for the border?) with it.

Have you seen the web site of the alleged West Memphis shooters Jerry Kane and Joseph Kane yet? (More White Supremacists, who'd of thunk it?)

[Link: imkane.wordpress.com...]

348 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:10:23pm

re: #329 ludwigvanquixote

Correction to 322,

I also got 5's on AP Biology and Chemistry.

The point is that I was as strong an applicant to the top tier schools as any, and even with that, no-one can guarantee getting into any given one of them. If they need a tuba player that year and you don't play tuba, then the person with similar qualifications, but plays tuba, gets the slot.

But this incident was part of a pattern. I'm not saying that no Asians at all are admitted, but when an Asian tuba player applies, they need someone who plays both flute and tuba.

This California thing isn't a matter of discriminating against whites. It's a matter of discriminating against Asians so that whites won't be put out that there are slots reserved for under-succeeding minorities.

Death penalty statistics don't bear out the notion that whites skate. The guys responsible for that notorious dragging murder in Texas about a decade ago were convicted of capital murder. The one who turned state's evidence got life without parole and the other two were sentenced to death. Justice was served.

Statistics of victim reports support the position that inmate populations are skewed because offender populations are skewed, not because prosecution or sentencing is skewed. Nobody is getting a free ride from the criminal justice system. And nobody is getting a raw deal. {In group terms. Individuals are from time to time prosecuted for political reasons or through honest error, and sometimes, even convicted.}

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:10:41pm

re: #196 avanti

Technically, never taboo. Even when I was pushing -2000, I never got the boot, nor did others lefties getting negged.

OK. I'm sure that's what Spare meant.

350 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:11:37pm

re: #347 ausador

I have been reading it for a while, the guy is a wingnut.

It's become really slow due to the traffic, it's better to use the google cache copies.

351 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:12:13pm

re: #343 ludwigvanquixote

And by the way, speaking of top tier admissions, there is one group that never comes up for this discussion.

Wealthy white legacies.

IF you want to complain about some black person with lesser marks getting into Yale, I think it is high time we remind people of folks like W, who had absolutely no business being at Yale.

Those people, unlike folks like me, who had to actually work in school, were guaranteed admission.

My school doesn't do legacy admissions. I'm proud of them for that.

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:12:23pm

re: #211 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, really. Go ahead and rewrite history if you want but I won't be a part of it. As long as I've been here, this site always had differing viewpoints being vigorously discussed and argued. While the emphasis has certainly changed, nothing was ever "taboo" or verboten as far as I was concerned.

Wow.

353 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:14:27pm

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

Never taboo.
Never.

What does 'not taboo' mean to you? Are you honestly going to say that the bulk of people treated even slightly liberal commentors with any respect or tolerance, say, two years ago?

354 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:15:45pm

re: #351 lostlakehiker

My school doesn't do legacy admissions. I'm proud of them for that.

re: #348 lostlakehiker

OK but many of the top tier do. If we are going to have this discussion fairly, we need to include that fact.

As to the stupidity of a brand X college student. I have taught brand X college students. It is my impression after having about 6,000 of them that Palin is very much in the bottom tier. That does not mean that she lacks charisma or a certain low cunning. However, that is not at all the same as intelligence on any intellectual matter.

355 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:18:13pm

re: #337 Spare O'Lake

It was never taboo to express liberal viewpoints. Never.

Define 'taboo'. If 'taboo' means it would get you banned, no. If 'taboo' means it would get you downdinged, shunned, denounced as evil, Communistic and stupid, yes.

356 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:21:23pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that is COMPLETE BS. Sorry, but I got downdinged in my early days for admitting to having voted for Barack Obama. Every thread started with a litany of complaints about the stupid liberals. You could get nailed to the wall for any deviation from the right-Republican norm.

Now, I am aware that some people feel we've swung too far the other way, but the fact remains that a couple of years ago, this was a solidly right-wing house, and visiting liberals were not treated like honored guests.

In the period leading up to the election and afterwards for a while, yes, this place was pretty solidly right wing. That is the way Charles wanted it and promoted it at the time. But there were always lizards on the liberal side and it was NEVER forbidden for them to express their views. When I first joined (under a different nic) I often got into very heated arguments with lizards whose political views were far to the right of mine and whose religious views were far more religious than mine. Yet I was NEVER made to feel that my views were UNACCEPTABLE here or that I was unwelcome here.

357 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:31:16pm

re: #354 ludwigvanquixote

re: #348 lostlakehiker

OK but many of the top tier do. If we are going to have this discussion fairly, we need to include that fact.

As to the stupidity of a brand X college student. I have taught brand X college students. It is my impression after having about 6,000 of them that Palin is very much in the bottom tier. That does not mean that she lacks charisma or a certain low cunning. However, that is not at all the same as intelligence on any intellectual matter.


Paglia teaches liberal arts. You teach physics. Palin doesn't have a mind suited in the least to doing physics. That much we can agree on. But I'd reckon she scored somewhere north of 1100 on the SAT (old style scoring).

Beck? 1250? Pauls? 1400? Maybe more. Hard to say.

358 ryannon  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:55:01pm

re: #321 Guanxi88

William S. Burroughs.

Paging Doctor Benway! Paging Doctor Benway!

359 ryannon  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:03:45pm

re: #328 darthstar

Okay...time to hop into Zed (our name for the Z) and go to Monterey...should

I take the fast route?


I'd just go the distance and spend the afternoon drinking Napa wine on one of the decks of the Nepenthe. Or if you don't want to go that far, the Rocky Point is pretty nice as well....

Or the scenic route?

It's only a 14 minute difference, and I'm halfway between the two starting points...I think I'll go down the coast. I can make up 14 minutes before I get to Santa Cruz.

Have a beautiful day, everyone. I'm going to go look at my ocean for a while (I love the Pacific as much as I do the Sierras).

360 ryannon  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:06:00pm

re: #337 Spare O'Lake

It was never taboo to express liberal viewpoints. Never.

It depends on how and when you did. But it was possible if you knew how to cross the Moby/Moonbat/Commie/ minefield.

361 ryannon  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:09:44pm

I'm a Legacy Poster.

Some day these will be very valuable.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:18:45pm

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

In the period leading up to the election and afterwards for a while, yes, this place was pretty solidly right wing. That is the way Charles wanted it and promoted it at the time. But there were always lizards on the liberal side and it was NEVER forbidden for them to express their views.

Forbidden? Maybe not. Sure to get you attacked (rather than debated with)? Yes.

It was not a tolerant room. I don't think this is an extreme statement.

363 MinisterO  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:20:02pm

Not too long ago I would scroll through the LGF comments reading only the ones with big red numbers.

364 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:22:47pm

re: #321 Guanxi88

William S. Burroughs.

Didn't realize he was into theology. I thought his shtick was buggery, drugs, and playing William Tell with his wife, then using his bad aim as an excuse for his later bad writing.

365 Fenris  Fri, May 21, 2010 6:33:36pm

You heard the man: criticizing a British company is un-American.

366 Kefirah  Sat, May 22, 2010 7:22:04am

re: #195 _RememberTonyC

i don't necessarily 100% agree with your observation, but i damn well will up.ding you for speaking up about it.

cheers to polite intellectual discourse!


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