What Right Wing Extremist Violence?

A member of the far right sovereign citizen movement (and quack mortgage adviser) and his son were shot to death yesterday in Memphis in a gun battle with police, in which two police officers were also killed: Relatives ID West Memphis suspects.

A background search using the information from the website shows a Jerry Kane, born in Ohio in December of 1964 and most recently associated with addresses mainly in Ohio. The van, which authorities said had Ohio tags, was traced to New Vienna, Ohio, and a church called House of God’s Prayer, according to several sources.

That church’s address is associated with a deceased white supremacist named Harold R. Redfeairn, who the Associated Press reported in 2003 headed a chapter of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian in New Vienna. That church espoused views of the white-supremacist doctrine of Aryan Nations.

A story published by the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., on Redfeairn has the headline, “The Cop-Shooter.” The story said that in 1979, Redfeairn shot 22-year-old Dayton, Ohio, police officer Dave Koenig three times after Koenig had stopped him.

Where else do we find Jerry Kane on the web? Why, at Glenn Beck’s “9/12 Project” website, of course: Two exceptional nights with Jerry Kane! - successes surrounding Foreclosure & Credit Card Debt along with several interesting technologies! - The 9/12 Project (New York, NY) - Meetup.com. (Hat tip: KT.)

In other violent wingnut news today, a female census resister in Yuba City was shot to death by police when she pointed a shotgun at them and ignored orders to put it down: Woman shot, killed in Yuba City home.

A woman was shot by two police officers late Thursday in south Yuba City after she approached them with a shotgun and refused to put down her weapon, according to a department press release.

Victoria Helen Roger-Vasselin, 67, was shot by two Yuba City officers and pronounced dead at the scene.

Police were called to the 700 block of Mariner Loop after a U.S. Census worker was confronted by residents who pointed a firearm at the worker and said they would not answer any questions.

When officers arrived, a man identified as Lionel Patterson, 51, answered the door armed with a handgun. As the officers dealt with him, Roger-Vasselin approached with a shotgun and ignored the officers’ orders to put down the weapon. She advanced and continued to point the shotgun at the officers in a threatening manner, at which point the officers fired their service weapons.

(Hat tip: Shiplord Kirel.)

UPDATE at 5/21/10 12:22:34 pm:

Here’s Jerry Kane’s crackpot website (the password is “makeme”): Jerry Kane | Mortgage Fraud |How to Prevent Foreclosure. He was also a big fan of Alex Jones, of course; check under “Favorite Talkshoes.”

UPDATE at 5/21/10 12:25:38 pm:

Last month, you may remember, CNN commentator and CEO of redstate.com Erick Erickson advocated brandishing shotguns at census takers: Erick Erickson Threatens Any Census Taker with Wife’s Shotgun.

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270 comments

1 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:17:23pm

Charles this is supposed to be the site of the alleged West Memphis shooters Jerry Kane and Joseph Kane. (Gee, more Jew bashing White Supremacists, who'd of thunk it?)

[Link: imkane.wordpress.com...]

2 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:17:34pm

///Its a shame if only somebody could have saw this coming and warned people about it ahead of time....

3 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:17:53pm

Here's something from one of his posts at the 9/12 project:

Our Christian Founding Fathers did the same. Ben Franklin said in his autobiography, "…the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of King George III and the international bankers was the prime reason for the revolutionary war.”

I smell anti-Semite.

4 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:18:05pm

Jesus, this is insane.

5 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:18:33pm

Charles, Did you get the email from Shiplord Kirel about Jerry Kane's website?
If you check under "FAVORITE TALKSHOES" it's a bunch of Alex Jones/"Patriot" conspiracy sites. The guy was a lunatic.

6 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:19:22pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Here's something from one of his posts at the 9/12 project:

I smell anti-Semite.

Check out the website posted by ausador above. I believe it's the same. And yes, it's a white supremacist site.

7 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:19:35pm

re: #1 ausador

Charles this is supposed to be the site of the alleged West Memphis shooters Jerry Kane and Joseph Kane. (Gee, more Jew bashing White Supremacists, who'd of thunk it?)

[Link: imkane.wordpress.com...]

Weird, link fail...

[Link: imkane.wordpress.com...]

8 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:20:45pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Here's something from one of his posts at the 9/12 project:

I smell anti-Semite.

That's the meet-up site; the 9/12 site's got none of that one it.

They sound to me like yet another iteration of the old "ya don't have to pay it back cause the contract's not valid cause the money you borrowed and spent didn't really exist" scam; common enough among the anti-semitic and whack-job fringes

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:20:46pm

re: #1 ausador

Charles this is supposed to be the site of the alleged West Memphis shooters Jerry Kane and Joseph Kane. (Gee, more Jew bashing White Supremacists, who'd of thunk it?)

[Link: imkane.wordpress.com...]

I'm not sure that's the same guy. There's a Jerry Kane who writes for WND too but I don't know if it's the same guy. It might be but I suspect probably not.

10 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:21:06pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Ah, yes. "International Bankers."

11 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:21:24pm

Just a word of advice, when you threaten someone with a firearm, expect the consequences.

12 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:21:34pm

Thoughts and prayers for the officers' families. This is awful.
These ultra righties are nuts.

13 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:21:41pm

So is this like the holy grail of nut jobs who finally make some Republicans throw Glenn Beck under a bus? Or at least do some fun to watch verbal contortions?

14 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:22:06pm

re: #10 JasonA

Ah, yes. "International Bankers."

True

15 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:22:24pm

The census "resister's" blood is on Beck's hands, among other iniquitous grasping tools.

16 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:22:33pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just a word of advice, when you threaten someone with a firearm, expect the consequences.

Especially two cops. Jeez. May as well turn the shotgun on yourself and save us the bullets.

17 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:22:49pm

Take a bow, Erick Erickson.

18 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:23:36pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

The census "resister's" blood is on Beck's hands, among other iniquitous grasping tools.

I dunno. A lot of us tried to say that about O'Reilly after the Tiller murder and it didn't seem to go that far.

19 iossarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:24:25pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

The census "resister's" blood is on Beck's hands, among other iniquitous grasping tools.

Somehow I doubt he'll see or portray it that way.

20 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:24:52pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat

So is this like the holy grail of nut jobs who finally make some Republicans throw Glenn Beck under a bus? Or at least do some fun to watch verbal contortions?

Heck no. The stories write themselves. This is clearly more examples of the Obamunist's brownshirts executing free Americans who were exposing their evil leader, or refusing to be dragged off to the re-education camps.

21 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:25:34pm
Here’s Jerry Kane’s crackpot website (the password is “makeme”):Jerry Kane %P% Mortgage Fraud %P%How to Prevent Foreclosure. He was also a big fan of Alex Jones, of course; check under “Favorite Talkshoes.”


Nice.

22 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:25:39pm

re: #18 JasonA

I dunno. A lot of us tried to say that about O'Reilly after the Tiller murder and it didn't seem to go that far.

it never does, and I don't think it ever will. What can you say, the machinery of paranoia is good at this, and good at insulating itself. Whip enough people up into a froth, some of them go rabid.

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:25:54pm

TALKSHOES!!1111

24 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:26:06pm

It's been a banner week for right wing extremism in America.

25 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:26:11pm

Cool! Another hat-tip.
I wanted to point out that Killgore and several others did a huge amount of work on this as well. It was Killgore who found the Kane post at Beck's site, for example.

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:26:19pm
27 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:26:43pm

re: #24 Gus 802

It's been a banner week for right wing extremism in America.

Of course, the banner reads "I'm with stupid!"

28 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:27:47pm

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

Excellent work. I've been checking all morning. Nobody else has figured out he's a right wing nutcase yet. Excellent WebFu!

29 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:29:09pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Excellent work. I've been checking all morning. Nobody else has figured out he's a right wing nutcase yet. Excellent WebFu!

agreed...nice work to you all. updings all around.

of course, we keep lancing the boil in the hopes that someone in the GOP will pour peroxide on it...sigh...

30 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:29:35pm

re: #23 WindUpBird

TALKSHOES!!1111

Go with sockpuppets.....

31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:29:37pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

One of my favoritest things about this blog is the culture of good webfu, and all the talent here that can find this stuff. It really is remarkable, you guys rock :D

32 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:29:38pm

I wish I had me some of that "International Banking" money.

Sometimes it's tough being a Zionist Overlord.

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:30:22pm

The census hysteria right now is so bad that the LDS church actually sent out a letter to be read across the pulpit reminding us to cooperate with census takers.

They (the census people) actually called me after I filled my forms to be sure I wasn't a blinking idiot who filled hers out wrong.

34 zora  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:30:34pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

[Link: imkane.wordpress.com...]

My name is Jerry Kane, and I are a recovering English professor. Over the past nine months I’ve written several commentaries, many have been published on the Web at WorldNetDaily, The American Thinker, Canada Free Press, MichNews, and the American Daughter Media Center. A collection of my writings also appears on my blog The Millstone Diaries.

35 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:31:32pm

re: #32 Alouette

I wish I had me some of that "International Banking" money.

Sometimes it's tough being a Zionist Overlord.

But don't you have your hidden pouch of Jew gold?

36 [deleted]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:31:45pm
37 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:31:54pm

re: #33 EmmmieG

The census hysteria right now is so bad that the LDS church actually sent out a letter to be read across the pulpit reminding us to cooperate with census takers.

They (the census people) actually called me after I filled my forms to be sure I wasn't a blinking idiot who filled hers out wrong.

"Ma'am, did you really mean to put 37 children in the home? 'cause, that's gonna tip your neighborhood over into a new congressional district."

38 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:31:55pm

Warning, the CA site has a picture of the dead teenager right at the top in case you have a tender heart for a kid who might have been just killed because he was in the van with his dad and not shooting.
Kane is a horrible person in my book for no other reason the shooting at the police and signing his son's death warrant.

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:32:16pm

re: #34 zora

OH

MY

GOD :D Check this out! From his Millstone Diaries blog:

When I consider what must be done to save America from progressive socialist governance, I am reminded of a scene from the movie The Matrix. Shortly after Neo is freed from his bio-pod canister he asks Morpheus why his eyes hurt. In a rather nonchalant way Morpheus tells him it’s because he’s never used them before.

heeheeheehee it's so funny I just can't stand it

40 [deleted]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:32:25pm
41 zora  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:32:33pm

re: #36 Gus 802

yes

42 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:32:38pm

re: #34 zora

[Link: imkane.wordpress.com...]

My name is Jerry Kane, and I are a recovering English professor. Over the past nine months I’ve written several commentaries, many have been published on the Web at WorldNetDaily, The American Thinker, Canada Free Press, MichNews, and the American Daughter Media Center. A collection of my writings also appears on my blog The Millstone Diaries.

Yeah, I don't think the shooting suspect was once an English professor. Maybe but I somehow doubt it.

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:33:22pm

I guess I probably shouldn't be taking too much pleasure in the guy's insane writings, but man

44 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:34:15pm

re: #43 WindUpBird

I guess I probably shouldn't be taking too much pleasure in the guy's insane writings, but man

Careful! Remember that when you gaze into an abyss, that the abyss gazes into you, or something.

45 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:34:17pm

re: #35 Mad Al-Jaffee

But don't you have your hidden pouch of Jew gold?

Dude, I've heard they each have a secret cave...

46 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:35:10pm

Charles, can you please delete numbers 36 and 40.

47 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:35:11pm

Another census worker was shot at by a Texas attorney last week.

48 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:35:19pm

2 different Jerry Kanes?

49 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:35:27pm

An interesting tidbit about the White Supremacist church van....

It cannot be proven the gunmen are tied to the Aryan group, but the van used by the suspects in this shootout was never reported stolen. The vehicle’s plates were renewed last summer, and set to expire next month.


The suspect's ties to Alex Jones and the "patriot" movement makes it pretty possible he was affiliated with the church at one point.

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:35:34pm

re: #44 Guanxi88

Careful! Remember that when you gaze into an abyss, that the abyss gazes into you, or something.

yeah, now I feel weird ._.

And it's horrible he dragged his kid into his paranoia. It's like some paraboid anti-government version of that woman who drowned all her kids. GAHH

51 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:35:40pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Pretty sure "and I are a recovering English professor," is meant to be sarcastic.

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:36:00pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

2 different Jerry Kanes?

I think that's probably the case. Not sure.

53 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:36:06pm

re: #47 avanti

Another census worker was shot at by a Texas attorney last week.

Yeah. She's a peach; tried to run down a cop in the courthouse parking lot some time earlier.

54 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:36:26pm

re: #37 Guanxi88

"Ma'am, did you really mean to put 37 children in the home? 'cause, that's gonna tip your neighborhood over into a new congressional district."

Well, they seem like 37 children, especially after a few rainy days at home.

55 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:36:53pm

re: #45 JasonA

Dude, I've heard they each have a secret cave...

No, two bags.
One fake filled with rocks and then one that is real.....

56 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:37:09pm

Former Springfield man suspected in deaths of two police officers

A former Springfield man and his son are suspected in the Thursday, May 20, shooting deaths of two West Memphis, Ark., police officers.

Memphis media have reported that a man and his 16-year-old son were suspected to have opened fire on two West Memphis, Ark., police officers Thursday, killing both. The two suspects were later shot to death after a police manhunt through the Memphis, Tenn., area that left two more law enforcement officers wounded.

Family members told the Memphis Commercial Appeal that the dead are Jerry Kane, 44, and his son Joseph and that they are from Ohio.

Clark County Sheriff Gene Kelly Friday said Kane and his son formerly lived in Springfield.

Jerry R. Kane Jr., of XXXX S. Limestone St., Springfield, 44, has a son Joseph, according to Clark County court records. That house has been demolished and is a vacant lot.

Jerry R. Kane, Jr. is the perp not Jerry A.

I'm going to put my hands in my pockets.

57 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:37:10pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't think the shooting suspect was once an English professor. Maybe but I somehow doubt it.

Yeah, I don't think ex-professor Jerry Kane is the same as ex-shooter Jerry Kane either. There are some similarities but Kane the ex-prof doesn't say anything about traveling around giving mortgage advice or the recent arrest in New Mexico.
(According to Kane's memorial site, which is indisputably about the shooter, he was arrested in New Mexico three months ago for not having a driver's license.)

58 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:37:40pm

re: #51 JasonA

Pretty sure "and I are a recovering English professor," is meant to be sarcastic.

Another clue is that none of the writting on WND or American thinker mention or link to his quack mortgage seminars which seemed to be his main source of income. I don't think it's the same person.

59 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:37:45pm

re: #56 Gus 802

You're correcting yourself. That's not a bad thing.

60 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:37:46pm

Step lightly with the website identification, people. "Jerry Kane" is not exactly a unique name.

61 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:37:55pm

re: #54 EmmmieG

Well, they seem like 37 children, especially after a few rainy days at home.

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe
She had so many children, her uterus fell out

-Andrew Dice Clay

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:38:03pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I think that's probably the case. Not sure.

Bummer for the other one then. He's seeing some interesting hits on his webpage for sure.

63 subsailor68  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:38:07pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I think that's probably the case. Not sure.

Hi Killgore! I think you're right. A couple of posters at the site covering the story noted that the Jerry Kane Gus referred to lives in Pennsylvania, and the Jerry Kane in the story had an address in Ohio and a common-law wife in Florida. (Odd that they have the same name and a similar outlook though.)

64 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:38:17pm

re: #56 Gus 802

Former Springfield man suspected in deaths of two police officers

Jerry R. Kane, Jr. is the perp not Jerry A.

I'm going to put my hands in my pockets.

Nice, thank you.

65 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:38:40pm

so is the Jerry Kane from the Millstone Diaries blog the wrong right wing Jerry Kane?

66 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:38:52pm

re: #35 Mad Al-Jaffee

But don't you have your hidden pouch of Jew gold?

I sold it to buy Hanukkah presents for my 26 grandkids. Do you have any idea how much that "American Girl" Rebecca doll costs?

67 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:38:59pm

re: #65 WindUpBird

so is the Jerry Kane from the Millstone Diaries blog the wrong right wing Jerry Kane?

Not the same guy.

68 zora  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:39:16pm

re: #56 Gus 802

thanks for the clarification.

69 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:39:22pm

I'm Jerry Kane and so's my wife!

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:39:36pm

re: #67 Charles

Not the same guy.

Cool, thanks.

71 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:40:03pm

re: #47 avanti

Another census worker was shot at by a Texas attorney last week.

Ha! She's a malpractice attorney!

From her firm's page:

"In working in the medical malpractice, educational, and criminal justice areas, we became more and more aware of the systemic conditioning of numerous people in at least four generations of Americans. We are endeavoring to correct these misconceptions through several business ventures and non-profit organizations. We have created two for-profit corporations that fund several non-profits entities addressing social ills and reforms.

There seems to be no end to the oppression of the little guy by big corporations, runaway government, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical conglomerates--it seems that so many organizations are set up today simply to take advantage of the unequal bargaining power of the individual.

We are actively helping individuals get their finances in order to avoid these pitfalls and to help others learn to avoid injury and loss. We are losing our FREEDOMS more and more each day because so many people have been shackled with debt, demoralized, and disenfranchised. When citizens of any country are debt-ridden, demoralized, and disenfranchised the entire fabric of the country suffers as a result. The people are easier to rule, but they feel hopeless, drained, and apathetic. "

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:40:51pm

You couldn't pay me enough to be a census worker, yikes o_o

73 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:41:28pm

re: #59 Obdicut

You're correcting yourself. That's not a bad thing.

Thought I'd check and quickly. Got a little ahead of myself.

74 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:41:48pm

re: #71 Guanxi88

Ha! She's a malpractice attorney!

From her firm's page:

"In working in the medical malpractice, educational, and criminal justice areas, we became more and more aware of the systemic conditioning of numerous people in at least four generations of Americans. We are endeavoring to correct these misconceptions through several business ventures and non-profit organizations. We have created two for-profit corporations that fund several non-profits entities addressing social ills and reforms.

There seems to be no end to the oppression of the little guy by big corporations, runaway government, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical conglomerates--it seems that so many organizations are set up today simply to take advantage of the unequal bargaining power of the individual.

We are actively helping individuals get their finances in order to avoid these pitfalls and to help others learn to avoid injury and loss. We are losing our FREEDOMS more and more each day because so many people have been shackled with debt, demoralized, and disenfranchised. When citizens of any country are debt-ridden, demoralized, and disenfranchised the entire fabric of the country suffers as a result. The people are easier to rule, but they feel hopeless, drained, and apathetic. "

Does not sound like a leftie than.

75 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:43:58pm

re: #74 avanti

Does not sound like a leftie than.

Not by a long-shot, pardon the pun. Whacky lady, irrespective of politics; who the hell tries to run down a cop at a courthouse?

76 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:44:30pm

re: #74 avanti

Does not sound like a leftie than.

Do you want Cato to lecture you on the difference between "than" and "then?"

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:45:29pm

1. Census worker knocked on my door an hour ago. For the neighbor across the street. I filled out my forms the day I got them.

I don't know their names. Shame. Ain't it. I know his first name and I know she is smokin' hot (but I didn't tell the Census worker that.)

2. Yesterday heard about the shooting. Two Hispanic males, blah blah blah.

Hispanics are becoming the new "usual subjects"?

78 smijer  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:46:25pm

Was it this Jerry (A.) Kane?

79 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:46:39pm

re: #60 Cato the Elder

Dude..I got an email from my Company to write a white paper on deploying .1x security on a corporate Domain for the website...Crap..5 years ago I wrote a whitepaper about ERP in a Logistic environment interfacing with Custom WMS systems...They have never let me forget it..
Do you how much cash I paid out to some friends to edit? I'm not a writer..
I can't believe this...I have a new project..on the side...:)

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:46:46pm

re: #74 avanti

Saw a Studebaker coupe today. Looked almost new. Cream colored. In the back yard of a house for sale. Owner was an old guy died recently.

81 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:47:24pm

re: #78 smijer

Was it this Jerry (A.) Kane?

Hmm. Could be!

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:47:34pm

re: #79 HoosierHoops

I had four years of Grammar I, can I help?

83 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:47:50pm

re: #75 Guanxi88

Not by a long-shot, pardon the pun. Whacky lady, irrespective of politics; who the hell tries to run down a cop at a courthouse?

More on her:

According to Texas Lawyer, medical malpractice attorney Carolyn M. Barnes was arrested Tuesday for shooting at a census worker who knocked on the door of her house. Barnes told the worker, Kathleen Gittel, to leave, but Kathleen didn't have enough pep in her step, so Barnes fired off five rounds "in [Gittel's] direction."

I guess it could have been worse, Barnes could have eaten Gittel's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

Barnes, despite being a civil litigator, is no stranger to the inside of a jailhouse. As this article from the Austin American-Statesman details, Barnes was arrested in January for attacking a deputy who told her she couldn't bring a knife into the Travis County courthouse.

Also, in 2000, Barnes, as part of an ongoing dispute about a traffic ticket, threatened to "fight to the death" if authorities attempted to arrest her on a traffic warrant, stating that "This is why people bomb governmental offices, kill cops, and kill judges because of all the lies and abuses!" In discussing that dispute as part of her subsequent run for a seat on a local school board, she noted that, in her 17 years of practicing law, she "ha[d]n't shot anybody yet, not even come close." So much for that campaign slogan.

84 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:48:44pm

re: #66 Alouette

Rebecca is a gorgeous doll. I like her back story of her uncle being in the early film business in Manhattan.
OK, back to being flabbergasted with American lunatics. So, how many cops killed in the line of duty with extremists since Obama took office? Is it up to 5 now?

85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:48:55pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw a Studebaker coupe today. Looked almost new. Cream colored. In the back yard of a house for sale. Owner was an old guy died recently.

There's a Pontiac Eight in my complex. It's got awesome custom pinstriping and the license plate reads MOBSTR :D

86 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:49:18pm

re: #83 avanti

She's a female Joad Cressbeckler!

87 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:50:19pm

Here's a timeline of what happened yesterday in Memphis:
[Link: www.commercialappeal.com...]

I have not heard yet if the officers who originally pulled the van over and then were killed had a dashboard video camera or not.

88 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:50:28pm

Well the GOP is rallying around Rand guess they figure they can drop the pretense now.

89 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:50:48pm

re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had four years of Grammar I, can I help?

Sucks..I see the next 3 weekends on this project committed..
I write a huge Word doc about the subject and pay somebody to edit...I lose money on this...Hundreds of bucks..But it's a great job...
I wish I could write well...oh well

90 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:51:18pm

re: #88 Dreggas

Well the GOP is rallying around Rand guess they figure they can drop the pretense now.

Yeah, they had a chance to stamp him "Return to Sender," but they blew it. He's theirs now.

91 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:51:27pm

re: #88 Dreggas

Hey, Dreggas, how've you been?

92 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:51:29pm

re: #47 avanti

Another census worker was shot at by a Texas attorney last week.

There was another one shot before?

93 Sionainn  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:53:06pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

2 different Jerry Kanes?

I think so. I'm trying to find a picture of Jerry A. Kane, the writer. No luck so far.

94 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:53:13pm

re: #90 JasonA

Yeah, they had a chance to stamp him "Return to Sender," but they blew it. He's theirs now.

What part of "Don't fuck this up" was so hard for them to understand?

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:53:22pm

re: #89 HoosierHoops

I wish I could write well...oh well

Uh... that's "write good".

Sheesh.

96 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:53:25pm

re: #91 prairiefire

Been good just busy as can be working. So I have mainly been in lurk mode.

97 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:54:23pm

re: #85 WindUpBird

There's a Pontiac Eight in my complex. It's got awesome custom pinstriping and the license plate reads MOBSTR :D

Get me a phone number. Was it one like this ?

53 coupe.

98 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:54:38pm

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh... that's "write good".

Sheesh.

Don't be mean.

99 Sionainn  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:55:01pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Nice, thank you.

I'll quit looking. You all are too fast for me.

100 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:55:23pm

I don't really get the obsession with the census. What do I know though

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:55:48pm

re: #97 avanti

Yep. I think so. You serious? I can get a number if you'd like.

102 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:55:50pm

re: #97 avanti

Get me a phone number. Was it one like this ?

53 coupe.

I knew you'd take the bait! You are just like my dad with light weight boats.

103 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:56:19pm

re: #92 MandyManners

There was another one shot before?

My bad, the other one was shot by the cops called by a census worker, before she could shoot them or the worker.

104 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:56:26pm

re: #102 prairiefire

The thrill of the hunt.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:56:52pm

re: #100 cliffster

I don't really get the obsession with the census. What do I know though

I do know that the folks bitching about it are the same ones complaining about the budget deficits while costing the government millions and millions of extra dollars chasing their sorry asses down.

106 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:58:33pm

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. I think so. You serious? I can get a number if you'd like.

I am, but only if you find it's for sale, don't want to pester a proud owner .

107 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 12:58:45pm

re: #85 WindUpBird

There's a Pontiac Eight in my complex. It's got awesome custom pinstriping and the license plate reads MOBSTR :D

Beautiful!

It's not the car's fault of course, but Pontiacs were a firm favorite of Joseph Stalin and his henchmen.
When aircraft designer Alexander Yakovlev was awarded the Stalin prize in 1940, it came with 100K Rubles, a gold medal, a nice dacha near Moscow, and a Pontiac Silver Chief. Later, Yakovlev used the Pontiac to flee to the Urals ahead of the advancing German army in 1941, though in fact the Germans never quite reached Moscow.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:00:51pm

re: #106 avanti

The proud owner is singing in the great choir invisible. I'll check for ya.

109 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:00:51pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do know that the folks bitching about it are the same ones complaining about the budget deficits while costing the government millions and millions of extra dollars chasing their sorry asses down.

well, we can't all be geniuses

110 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:02:20pm
in Memphis in a gun battle with police, in which two police officers were also killed:


Why must the law go into a firefight with popguns? This sort of gun battle should be conducted with Javelin missiles. Lock on to the target from 500 yards away after a video inspection from a UAV, order them out of the vehicle and onto the ground by loudspeaker, and if they don't comply, light them up.

Letting these guys get in their licks just encourages more of them to play Going To Valhalla.

111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:02:50pm

re: #109 cliffster

well, we can't all be geniuses

True. Well, I are.

112 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:03:16pm

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh... that's "write good".

Sheesh.

I suck...
I will be dealing with the interface between Windows Certificate stores on logistics workstations and problem authentications issues on 802.1x port Cisco security on a corporate Global Network...
What I will be dealing with is a shared windows workstation..Multiple Certs always seem to corrupt themselves...I mean it works beautiful if you are the only user on your own laptop..Rock solid security...
Try having a Workstation that 30 people log into all day and the certs have real issues with authorization to the server because of Cisco..
I found some solutions and my company wants a paper to post..

113 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:03:57pm

re: #102 prairiefire

I knew you'd take the bait! You are just like my dad with light weight boats.

I need to buy 1-3 month to put food on the table. Occasionally, I'll find one that will keep me going for a few months. My buddy bought a rough one at a estate auction for $1000, and flipped it on ebay for 12K. No one knew it was one of eight sliding roof station wagons built with the supercharged Avanti engine and 4 speed, a odd combination for a grocery getter.

114 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:04:03pm

re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

True. Well, I are.

U iz?

115 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:04:38pm

re: #112 HoosierHoops

that's what you get for bein all high and mighty and finding a solution.

116 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:05:00pm

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The proud owner is singing in the great choir invisible. I'll check for ya.

We prefer the great junkyard in the sky, everyone gets 70 Studebakers.

117 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:05:29pm

re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

True. Well, I are.

Yes, you is.

118 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:06:07pm

re: #112 HoosierHoops

I love writing up that kind of stuff. Especially when it's for an internal thing, and I'm allowed to use metaphors.

119 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:07:10pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Yes, you is.

Me fail english? That's unpossible!

120 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:07:17pm

re: #113 avanti

My dad has made good money since he retired flipping boats. Plus, he loves them, so he's having a good time.

121 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:07:21pm

re: #107 Shiplord Kirel

Beautiful!

It's not the car's fault of course, but Pontiacs were a firm favorite of Joseph Stalin and his henchmen.
When aircraft designer Alexander Yakovlev was awarded the Stalin prize in 1940, it came with 100K Rubles, a gold medal, a nice dacha near Moscow, and a Pontiac Silver Chief. Later, Yakovlev used the Pontiac to flee to the Urals ahead of the advancing German army in 1941, though in fact the Germans never quite reached Moscow.

Well, one of the reasons the Germans did not actually reach Moscow was because the Luftwaffe was unable to provide air superiority over Moscow that November and December. And part of the reason for that was Yak fighters flying CAP over Moscow.

(It was not until 1943 that the Red air force prevailed generally on the eastern front. Weaknesses in pilot training and doctrine held back the Red air force for the first few years of the war. Special circumstances unique to the battle of Moscow allowed the fundamentally weaker Red air force to contest the skies over Moscow: the Germans were operating from open air grass strips while the Russians had the civilian and military infrastructure of Moscow's airports. Heated hangars, for instance.

122 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:07:30pm

re: #116 avanti

We prefer the great junkyard in the sky, everyone gets 70 Studebakers.

About as useful as 72 virgins

As Walter says (no ,,, not "our Walter,, THIS Walter) Image: Walter.jpg

"What good is 72 virgins,,, give me 72 slutty broads that know what the hell they're doing!"

123 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:07:51pm

re: #120 prairiefire

My dad has made good money since he retired flipping boats. Plus, he loves them, so he's having a good time.

Flipping boats? Is that some kind of strongman stunt? :)

124 abolitionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:08:00pm

re: #100 cliffster

I don't really get the obsession with the census. What do I know though

It's for representation (each state's Representatives in the House are in proportion to its population), taxation, and for various federal benefits for education, business, etc.

125 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:08:02pm

re: #118 Obdicut

I love writing up that kind of stuff. Especially when it's for an internal thing, and I'm allowed to use metaphors.

Just finished an enviro analysis for our strategic planning efforts; known colloquially as "The Apocalypse Memo" it lays out just about every damned thing that can or could go wrong, and what, if anything, we can or should do about it.

Found out that some folk will excerpt some of my reports and memoranda, circulating the bits that strike their fancy or that are just plain odd.

126 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:08:32pm

re: #120 prairiefire

My dad has made good money since he retired flipping boats. Plus, he loves them, so he's having a good time.

Driving through Kansas once we once stopped by the side of the highway and tipped cows ,, does that count?

127 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:09:19pm

re: #123 Mad Al-Jaffee

Flipping boats? Is that some kind of strongman stunt? :)

see 126 for another version of it!

128 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:09:34pm

re: #125 Guanxi88

I have a memo I wrote about why a new proposal is half-baked being passed around like a samizdat. It's pretty cool.

129 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:10:34pm

And now a message from Eric Cartman in support of Rand Paul:

130 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:10:52pm

re: #124 abolitionist

It's for representation (each state's Representatives in the House are in proportion to its population), taxation, and for various federal benefits for education, business, etc.

uh yeah. I know what the census is for. Different obsession I'm confused by. By which I am confused, actually - the grammar police are on this thread

131 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:11:31pm

re: #97 avanti

Get me a phone number. Was it one like this ?

53 coupe.

my eyes!
my eyes!

132 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:11:40pm

re: #126 sattv4u2

Driving through Kansas once we once stopped by the side of the highway and tipped cows ,, does that count?

As we speak, I'm looking for a 50's vintage wooden hulled Chris Craft cabin cruiser for the guy next door to restore.

133 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:12:40pm

re: #118 Obdicut

I love writing up that kind of stuff. Especially when it's for an internal thing, and I'm allowed to use metaphors.

I suck at writing...I love to write..My Lawdy I write here every day..I don't have talent..I know it.. It's worth paying an editor 200 bucks to help me when I dang well know the CIO is going to read my paper on the Internet...
*Shutter* Maybe 300 bucks...:)

134 abolitionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:13:10pm

re: #130 cliffster

Oh you meant why are some folk are going nuts over it. Sorry. No clue.

135 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:13:14pm

Did a quick overview of the right-wing-o-sphere and noticed that they are avoiding these stories (of Kane and also the census shooter.)

It's too much to expect the hate-o-sphere to look at this, I guess.

136 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:14:11pm

re: #128 Obdicut

I have a memo I wrote about why a new proposal is half-baked being passed around like a samizdat. It's pretty cool.

My favorite memo ever was my infamous gotterdammerung report; it laid out the concrete steps we;d have to take in the event that a proposed new state regulation kicked it. In cool detail, it laid out the time-table for the disposition of all affairs and effects, right down to forecasts of costs associated with removing our signage, probable salvage value of furnishings, etc.

The thing was so damned alarming the boss ordered all copies returned to her in person, along with a signed statement from those who had received it that they retained no copies - hard or digital - and had not transmitted, or permitted or caused to be transmitted, in any form, any portion thereof.

A new confidentiality agreement included a provision requiring denial of knowledge of the existence of any document that was not published by the organization.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:14:20pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat

So is this like the holy grail of nut jobs who finally make some Republicans throw Glenn Beck under a bus? Or at least do some fun to watch verbal contortions?

No. It's the Phineas Warrior strategy, whether Beck realizes he's using it or not.

138 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:14:21pm

re: #135 freetoken

Yesterday they were happily speculating that it was a couple of latinos in the van.

139 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:14:24pm

re: #134 abolitionist

Oh you meant why are some folk are going nuts over it. Sorry. No clue.

yeah, that.

140 dugmartsch  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:14:31pm

re: #86 Charles

She's a female Joad Cressbeckler!

If Joad Cressbbeckler doesn't get his own full length regular cable news show, I give up on humanity.

141 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:15:20pm

re: #133 HoosierHoops

I suck at writing...I love to write..My Lawdy I write here every day..I don't have talent..I know it.. It's worth paying an editor 200 bucks to help me when I dang well know the CIO is going to read my paper on the Internet...
*Shutter Shudder* Maybe 300 bucks...:)

ftfy

142 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:15:22pm

re: #124 abolitionist

It's for representation (each state's Representatives in the House are in proportion to its population), taxation, and for various federal benefits for education, business, etc.

I think he more means why are people upset about being ASKED the questions, not what it's purpose is

That stated, you are accurate as to the purpose. MY question would be why beyond number and ages of people residing in a house are there any OTHER questions on the form or the door to door
Number of people,, CHECK
Ages,, CHECK (for obvious things ,,, minors to ensure there are enough school resources ,, elderly so there are enough facilities around your town/ county,, adults to see size of district for voting purposes) But what does your gender have to do with how much the feds will give your county for road work, or what does your race matter to determine if the feds are kicking in for a new senior citizens center?

(DISCLOSURE,,Mrs SATTY is a census taker, having taken a temp job with them)

143 ryannon  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:15:26pm

re: #31 WindUpBird

One of my favoritest things about this blog is the culture of good webfu, and all the talent here that can find this stuff. It really is remarkable, you guys rock :D

Flattery will get you everywhere! :-)

144 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:15:30pm

OT, but for some reason I find this picture hysterically funny. (Safe for work!)

That's a po' widdle Waw Stweet twader pwaying while the mawket faw down go boom!

Because God has made his love for usury, speculation, and people who make money their idol perfectly clear throughout the ages, so surely he'll want to rescue this beeyotch.

145 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:15:59pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

No. It's the Phineas Warrior strategy, whether Beck realizes he's using it or not.

She goes deep for the pass.... and it's GOOD!

(Talk about digging into the deep magic of the whacked-out!)

146 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:16:12pm

re: #142 sattv4u2

Data is useful. Especially when you deliver services. As the government does.

147 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:16:35pm

re: #141 JasonA

ftfy

*facepalm*
See what I mean?

148 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:17:06pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

I'd bet good money that that guy won't be starving any time soon if I had any.

149 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:18:09pm

re: #146 Obdicut

Data is useful. Especially when you deliver services. As the government does.

Absolutely correct.
You can plan blindly; or you can plan with knowledge.

Planning with access to the appropriate knowledge yields much better results.

150 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:18:30pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

OT, but for some reason I find this picture hysterically funny. (Safe for work!)

That's a po' widdle Waw Stweet twader pwaying while the mawket faw down go boom!

Because God has made his love for usury, speculation, and people who make money their idol perfectly clear throughout the ages, so surely he'll want to rescue this beeyotch.

LOL!
"I used to be filthy rich,
Now I live in a filthy ditch..."
(Scrooge McDuck)

151 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:18:43pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

*facepalm*
See what I mean?

Still, though, nobody spells worse than sattv. Sorry sattv, is what it is.

152 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:18:44pm

Speaking of failing, The Kid passed all his classes for the year but, I'm holding him back in the fourth grade next year. I don't know which of us is unhappier.

153 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:19:33pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

Another Master of the Universe, grovelling to win the favor of the Sky King; no different, in his way, than an antique Celt hoping for a good harvest in spite of the distressing hail storm.

154 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:19:37pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

You mean God doesn't want you to be rich? You just don't have enough faith:

155 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:20:02pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

OT, but for some reason I find this picture hysterically funny. (Safe for work!)

That's a po' widdle Waw Stweet twader pwaying while the mawket faw down go boom!

Because God has made his love for usury, speculation, and people who make money their idol perfectly clear throughout the ages, so surely he'll want to rescue this beeyotch.

Please God, don't force me from being filthy rich to only stinking rich. Please don't make me choose between Lupe and Consuela if we can only keep one housekeeper.

156 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:20:04pm

re: #131 albusteve

my eyes!
my eyes!

The 53 Studebaker are on most every best looking American car list. The street rodders drive the market for these.

'Ladies and gentlemen, fellow Car Lusters of all ages, I give you the stunningly beautiful Studebaker "Loewy Coupes," the 1953-54 Starlight and Starliner"

Loewy coupes..

157 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:20:16pm

re: #154 freetoken

You mean God doesn't want you to be rich? You just don't have enough faith:


[Video]

Isn't God focused on Stephen "Job" Baldwin these days?

158 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:20:19pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Speaking of failing, The Kid passed all his classes for the year but, I'm holding him back in the fourth grade next year. I don't know which of us is unhappier.

Yeah? Needs to get his head wrapped around stuff a little better?

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:20:21pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

Drove into Las Vegas in a $75,000.00 Mercedes.
Left in a $750,000.00 Greyhound.

160 ryannon  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:20:51pm

re: #85 WindUpBird

There's a Pontiac Eight in my complex. It's got awesome custom pinstriping and the license plate reads MOBSTR :D

Wow- I love those wide whitewalls. Great looking car!

161 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:20:56pm

re: #146 Obdicut

Data is useful. Especially when you deliver services. As the government does.

And as stated, I understand that
# of kids in a district (schools ,, playgrounds,, )
# of seniors (senior centers ,, gov't type health clinics ,,)
What difference does their gender and race make? Does a district get MORE money because out of the 100 kids 1/2 are caucasian as opposed to another district that only has 25%?

THATS what the unrest and unease is about (in the majority of instances)

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:21:21pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

Hi Cato! Good to see ya!

163 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:21:38pm

Holy smokes. I might have gotten the wrong Jerry Kane before but the wrong one is a lunatic wingnut anyway.

164 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:21:48pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

Uh, yes, the government does provide services that vary according to gender and race. I'm not sure why that concept is odd to you.

165 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:21:51pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Speaking of failing, The Kid passed all his classes for the year but, I'm holding him back in the fourth grade next year. I don't know which of us is unhappier.

He'll be better off in the long run. I've seen it many a time

166 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:22:39pm

re: #160 ryannon

Wow- I love those wide whitewalls. Great looking car!

Flashy and pretentious. Gimme an ME KR200 any day.

167 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:22:45pm

re: #158 cliffster

Yeah? Needs to get his head wrapped around stuff a little better?

No. He needs to take responsibility for his work. His standardized test scores were the highest in the district yet he fluffs off his work.

168 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:22:46pm

re: #164 Obdicut

Uh, yes, the government does provide services that vary according to gender and race. I'm not sure why that concept is odd to you.

so your senior center gets more/ less gov't funding because of the racial makeup of it? You local grammar school?

169 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:22:53pm

re: #156 avanti

The 53 Studebaker are on most every best looking American car list. The street rodders drive the market for these.

'Ladies and gentlemen, fellow Car Lusters of all ages, I give you the stunningly beautiful Studebaker "Loewy Coupes," the 1953-54 Starlight and Starliner"

Loewy coupes..

jus kidding....there is one of these across the road from me, seems to be in perfect condition
Image: 63AvantiR2%20001.JPG

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:22:54pm

re: #45 JasonA

Dude, I've heard they each have a secret cave...

Friend of mine used to do a schtick about how he could go to any Masonic temple in the world and show his Jew card, and they would let him in to swim in the gold like Scrooge McDuck. He had a cute Russian accent, which amped the whole thing up.

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:23:17pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

2 different Jerry Kanes?

I'm sure there are dozens out there.

172 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:23:20pm

re: #165 sattv4u2

He'll be better off in the long run. I've seen it many a time

That's what I'm thinking.

173 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:23:49pm

re: #167 MandyManners

No. He needs to take responsibility for his work. His standardized test scores were the highest in the district yet he fluffs off his work.

Ah, well good plan then.

174 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:24:13pm

OK so lets make a rundown of the current state of affairs.

1. In the USA, the American right has been infested with medieval, nativist, racist and anti-government threads. We see this from the Texas board of education to Rush, to much of the GOP leadership.

2. These threads are more and more openly racist and they hearken to the same mix of white victimization, a nation stolen by others, conspiracy theory and appeals to a mythical past that never was, that formed the core of the Nazi message in Germany a mere 70 years ago. It all adds up to channeling and focusing anger, even if the people getting riled up are not so clear on the issues they are so very angry about.

3. Powerful corporate groups are glommed onto this because there is a message of letting corporations do as they please assosciated with it. We see this from Drill baby drill, to Rand Paul thinking that BP is not to be stepped on to those who believe that the civil rights act went too far. We see a major media outlet giving these distorted views of reality vastly disproportionate air time while mixing in a healthy does of lies, distortions and utter fantasy.

3. In the mean time, the semi sane party, is powerless to stop the nuclear threat from Iran, ride herd over its own membership to accomplish much of anything efficiently, and still has yet to address AGW.

4. In the mean time, the latest data on AGW shows that the problem is drastically accelerating. We may not know where the tipping points are, but we are surely marching towards them and at a faster rate than previously expected.

5. In the mean time, wedge issues and nonsense dominate. Kagan is not a lesbian. Even if she were, it would not matter. Yet, things like that are more important than looking at things like policy.

6. In the mean time, the damage done to our coast by the BP disaster spreads and is producing a polluted zone larger than Texas. There is still no fix. There is still no evidence that anyone had a fix in mind. There is overwhelming evidence once and for all that the myth that corporations will manage risks well themselves is completely debunked. They were under great pressure to get it done faster. They ignored pieces of the blow out preventer coming up to the surface. They pushed on. They ignored, problems with the cement seals, they pushed on. They ignored that one of their back up mechanisms to shut down a flow was not functional, and they had the other one hooked up to a dead battery. They pushed on. As of now, BP is more interested in shifting liability and trying to re-coup profits than it is on actually cleaning the mess.

7. As of now it is business us usual in DC. The weak and spineless Dems are not crucifying those who deserve to be crucified over this. They are not addressing the abominable law in AZ. They are not really doing anything.

8. The party of no in the meantime and their mouth pieces are spinning fast enough to give off light however and blaming everyone but themselves for yet another case of dodging regulations and enabling corporations to do so led to disaster. Shall we also remember Enron, or the S&L crisis? And yet, they still claim to be the financially responsible one.

9. As of now we still have not updated our power grid even though studies going back to the seventies have called for it and detailed the economic benefits of it.

10. As of now, we still have not addressed primary care provider inoculations and rapid vaccination deployment in the case of a major outbreak. This even though the medical community has been shouting about it since the Eighties.

11. Did I mention that right now there are three Americans in Irani custody?

12. As of now, while theocrats try to destroy our constitution and libertarians try to roll back Civil Rights,- something that the theocrats are OK with, very little is done to address these things.

13. However, I understand a new starlet has breasts. That is obviously more important.

175 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:24:18pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Speaking of failing, The Kid passed all his classes for the year but, I'm holding him back in the fourth grade next year. I don't know which of us is unhappier.

That is not a bad idea at all.
Sometimes kids are just not cognitively ready for school when we put them in school and it really begins to show up in fourth grade when much more independent reading, homework and self control is required.

If we had sent the teen to school I would have waited till he was 6ish or 7 years old.

176 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:24:26pm

re: #173 cliffster

If I have to sit next to him every day in class, I will.

177 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:24:55pm

re: #175 webevintage

That is not a bad idea at all.
Sometimes kids are just not cognitively ready for school when we put them in school and it really begins to show up in fourth grade when much more independent reading, homework and self control is required.

If we had sent the teen to school I would have waited till he was 6ish or 7 years old.

It's not the brains. It's the attitude.

178 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:25:26pm

re: #177 MandyManners

It's not the brains. It's the attitude.

his ,, or yours!!?!?!
{duckin}

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:25:47pm

re: #74 avanti

Does not sound like a leftie than.

Disgruntled Amish?

180 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:26:04pm

Did someone mention breasts?

/Sorry Ludwig, I had to

181 Jadespring  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:26:05pm

Afternoon all.

Having a good day so far. A friend I hadn't seen for a year and half came for a visit. It was really great to see them again. It's also the warmest day of the year so far. We got the fans out. The best part though was when the hubby came home with some slices of watermelon. I LOVE watermelon on summery days like this!

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:26:08pm

re: #75 Guanxi88

Not by a long-shot, pardon the pun. Whacky lady, irrespective of politics; who the hell tries to run down a cop at a courthouse?

Someone seriously screwed up.

183 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:26:16pm

re: #177 MandyManners

It's not the brains. It's the attitude.

ahhhhhh soooo.
Like what they used to write on my report cards?
"Julie is quite bright but she does not apply herself to her school work"

184 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:26:22pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Disgruntled Amish?

Makest thou mine day, English.

185 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:26:54pm

re: #168 sattv4u2

so your senior center gets more/ less gov't funding because of the racial makeup of it? You local grammar school?

Nope.

However, if you have, say, a large number of Hmong residents suddenly in the population, that's going to affect the services the government delivers.

Read the book The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down for a great example of this.

186 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:26:55pm

re: #160 ryannon

Wow- I love those wide whitewalls. Great looking car!

You want white walls, check out the unrestored 37 LaSalle I'm working on.

LaSalle.

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:27:03pm

re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

1. Census worker knocked on my door an hour ago. For the neighbor across the street. I filled out my forms the day I got them.

I don't know their names. Shame. Ain't it. I know his first name and I know she is smokin' hot (but I didn't tell the Census worker that.)

2. Yesterday heard about the shooting. Two Hispanic males, blah blah blah.

Hispanics are becoming the new "usual subjects"?

So basically, these are the two guys, and they're not Hispanic, or at least not so's you'd know from their name? That whole extra bit was confusing yesterday.

188 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:27:08pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

his ,, or yours!!?!?!
{duckin}

My attitude's sucked lately.

189 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:27:15pm

re: #183 webevintage

ahhh sooo.
Like what they used to write on my report cards?
"Julie is quite bright but she does not apply herself to her school work"

"brilliant but unsound"

- Saw that on one of mine once, and was flattered on both counts.

190 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:28:01pm

re: #183 webevintage

ahhh sooo.
Like what they used to write on my report cards?
"Julie is quite bright but she does not apply herself to her school work"

He'd major in recess if he could.

191 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:28:26pm

Of course if he can show he has the knowledge why worry about the classroom...except of course one has to because that is the way the game is played.

Ack, gotta take the teen to work......

192 sattv4u2  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:28:42pm

re: #185 Obdicut

Nope.


Exactly,, THATS what it was in reference too

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:29:00pm

re: #100 cliffster

I don't really get the obsession with the census. What do I know though

Baffles me too. It says in the Constitution we have to have one. So, we have to have one. Nu, it took me five minutes to fill out the form.

194 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:29:04pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

THATS what the unrest and unease is about (in the majority of instances)

No it isn't. The unrest and unease is about the rubbish meme that the census is just more government oppression, and the evil socialists in Washington finding out something about you so they can tax you/oppress you/take your guns/force you into re-education/some other made up crap. That is the vast majority of this ridiculous opposition to something as innocuous as a census. And this opposition exists because the 'all government is bad' meme resonates most strongly with those who are angry solely because the President has a (D) after his name.

195 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:29:06pm

re: #174 LudwigVanQuixote


13. However, I understand a new starlet has breasts. That is obviously more important.


I want to be her dhimmi.

196 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:29:30pm

re: #166 Guanxi88

Flashy and pretentious. Gimme an ME KR200 any day.

The much-older sister of a friend of mine had a BMW Isetta back in the fifties. She drove it to her high school and her part-time job every day.

She never was quite right though, ended up being tried for killing her coke-head husband in the 70s. She was acquitted and became a librarian.
/Just saying.

197 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:29:31pm

re: #192 sattv4u2

Nope.

Exactly,, THATS what it was in reference too

What are you talking about? What was what in reference to?

198 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:29:39pm

re: #195 freetoken

I want to be her dhimmi.

I still say she needs to eat a bit more; Girl looks to thin to me.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:29:57pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

I was what I heard on the news yesterday.

I just think that "Hispanic" is the new "I think it was a black guy."

200 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:30:13pm

re: #196 Shiplord Kirel

The much-older sister of a friend of mine had a BMW Isetta back in the fifties. She drove it to her high school and her part-time job every day.

She never was quite right though, ended up being tried for killing her coke-head husband in the 70s. She was acquitted and became a librarian.
/Just saying.

SO you're saying if I ever do get my kabinenroller, I'll end up a homicidal librarian?

201 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:30:43pm

re: #191 webevintage

Of course if he can show he has the knowledge why worry about the classroom...except of course one has to because that is the way the game is played.

Ack, gotta take the teen to work...

Exactly. Whether he likes it or not, grades matter.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:30:58pm

re: #138 Dreggas

Yesterday they were happily speculating that it was a couple of latinos in the van.

You can't always get what you want.

203 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:30:58pm

re: #183 webevintage

ahhh sooo.
Like what they used to write on my report cards?
"Julie is quite bright but she does not apply herself to her school work"

They had me in for tests in the first grade I was so bored. My dad owned a hotel, and I had a few dozen mentors to talk to and learn from and was a very early reader. I guess it was a sort of preschool for me.

204 Cheechako  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:31:24pm

re: #186 avanti

There's a 1962 Studebaker Lark for sale on Craigslist. Go to SE Alaska, Cars+Trucks. The ad is dated 4/29 so you will have to use the search function to find it.

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:31:25pm

re: #196 Shiplord Kirel

She never was quite right though, ended up being tried for killing her coke-head husband in the 70s. She was acquitted and became a librarian.

Did anybody else just read that as "libertarian"? I did.

206 abolitionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:31:40pm

re: #195 freetoken

I want to be her dhimmi.

No, you want to be her slave. (I'm so against that.)
:)

207 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:31:54pm

re: #198 Guanxi88

I still say she needs to eat a bit more; Girl looks to thin to me.

At least a few cheeseburgers. And, super-size those fries.

208 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:31:55pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Speaking of failing, The Kid passed all his classes for the year but, I'm holding him back in the fourth grade next year. I don't know which of us is unhappier.

Mandy - this is not a terrible thing.

One of my nephews was held back in 3rd grade. One of the best things that could have happened.

At my daughter's school, they assessed kids before letting them into kindergarten. Placement in regular K or what they called (unfortunately) "developmental K", depended on the maturity of the kid, not how smart he/she is/was.

Look at it as you planning for and seeing to the best possible outcome for your son, not whether he's been "held back" for whatever reason.

209 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:32:46pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

You can't always get what you want.

But if you try sometimes
You just might find
You get what you need:

210 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:33:22pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Disgruntled Amish?

Beware of sarcastic Amish

211 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:33:26pm

re: #177 MandyManners

It's not the brains. It's the attitude.

If it's still an option, summer school can often effect an attitude adjustment in a hurry. Kids will often equate the loss of most of their free summer time as a more effective motivator than almost anything else. It's also an immediate consequence, which helps pound in the lesson. Good luck.

212 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:33:52pm

re: #208 reine.de.tout

Mandy - this is not a terrible thing.

One of my nephews was held back in 3rd grade. One of the best things that could have happened.

At my daughter's school, they assessed kids before letting them into kindergarten. Placement in regular K or what they called (unfortunately) "developmental K", depended on the maturity of the kid, not how smart he/she is/was.

Look at it as you planning for and seeing to the best possible outcome for your son, not whether he's been "held back" for whatever reason.

One of the issues is his emotional immaturity. He's always been the youngest in his classes. Maybe I should've kept him in pre-school an extra year. Maybe I should stop kicking my own ass.

213 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:34:27pm

re: #200 Guanxi88

SO you're saying if I ever do get my kabinenroller, I'll end up a homicidal librarian?

It's a statistical possibility.
/

Isetta RV for those quick getaways.

214 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:34:42pm

re: #212 MandyManners

Yes to that last part. You're dealing. You're trying to move forwards. Don't spend overmuch time castigating yourself. You obviously take responsibility; that's enough.

215 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:35:07pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

If it's still an option, summer school can often effect an attitude adjustment in a hurry. Kids will often equate the loss of most of their free summer time as a more effective motivator than almost anything else. It's also an immediate consequence, which helps pound in the lesson. Good luck.

His school is private and does not have summer school. If you flunk a class, you're held back.

216 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:35:25pm

re: #121 lostlakehiker

Well, one of the reasons the Germans did not actually reach Moscow was because the Luftwaffe was unable to provide air superiority over Moscow that November and December. And part of the reason for that was Yak fighters flying CAP over Moscow.

(It was not until 1943 that the Red air force prevailed generally on the eastern front. Weaknesses in pilot training and doctrine held back the Red air force for the first few years of the war. Special circumstances unique to the battle of Moscow allowed the fundamentally weaker Red air force to contest the skies over Moscow: the Germans were operating from open air grass strips while the Russians had the civilian and military infrastructure of Moscow's airports. Heated hangars, for instance.

The Allied aid that really helped the Red Army win the war were the 250,000 trucks (many of them Studebakers) that allowed the Soviets to maintain a supply line to keep the advance rolling all the way to Berlin

217 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:35:27pm

re: #213 Shiplord Kirel

It's a statistical possibility.
/

Isetta RV for those quick getaways.

That's a hilarious photo; lordy, but I'd love such a vehicle.

218 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:35:28pm

re: #204 Cheechako

There's a 1962 Studebaker Lark for sale on Craigslist. Go to SE Alaska, Cars+Trucks. The ad is dated 4/29 so you will have to use the search function to find it.

Thanks, but I paid for a program that searches Craigslist nationally and shoots me a e-mail when a Studebaker pops up,a few 100 at last count.

Here's a web based free version you can use to find your dream car.

Mash.

219 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:35:48pm

re: #195 freetoken

I want to be her dhimmi.

Lol,

I don't know who that is, but do consider that in the event of an eco collapse she would look more like this:

Image: ethiopia_1589297c.jpg

That's sexy eh? People need to understand that America is not immune from this.

220 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:36:01pm

re: #214 Obdicut

Yes to that last part. You're dealing. You're trying to move forwards. Don't spend overmuch time castigating yourself. You obviously take responsibility; that's enough.

Thank you! The thing is, he's trying to play this off as being "cool" and somehow giving him 'cred.

221 ryannon  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:36:37pm

re: #186 avanti

You want white walls, check out the unrestored 37 LaSalle I'm working on.

LaSalle.

Very nice, Avanti. Thanks for posting it.

222 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:37:12pm

re: #204 Cheechako

There's a 1962 Studebaker Lark for sale on Craigslist. Go to SE Alaska, Cars+Trucks. The ad is dated 4/29 so you will have to use the search function to find it.

Nice catch! Hey if you ever see my 1953 White Nash Ambassador that was stolen from me in San Fran. Could you post a link? It still had the freaking plastic on the seats...

223 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:38:26pm

News going around Twitter that Rand Paul is now trying to cancel a Sunday appearance on Meet The Press that he committed to doing on Wednesday.

They're in full tilt damage control mode. Get that guy away from the journalists.

224 AK-47%  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:38:33pm

re: #212 MandyManners

One of the issues is his emotional immaturity. He's always been the youngest in his classes. Maybe I should've kept him in pre-school an extra year. Maybe I should stop kicking my own ass.

I had just the opposite problem, my school sysem skipped me over the second grade.

That went fine until I hit junior high, a late pubertizer, I was way behind my classmates developmentally and emotionally. had problems with it until I hit grad school and sort of caught up with my surroundings.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:38:44pm

re: #212 MandyManners

One of the issues is his emotional immaturity. He's always been the youngest in his classes. Maybe I should've kept him in pre-school an extra year. Maybe I should stop kicking my own ass.

Definitely do that last, whatever else you do. Mandy, seriously, regardless of the choices you make, you're aware of and concerned with your kid's academic progress. You're holding him responsible for his own choices, and at the same time, taking his learning needs into account. You are ahead of, like 95% of the parenting population on this at this point.

You're OK, he'll be OK after he suffers through the fourth grade again. Nu, it's all right.

227 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:40:00pm

re: #223 Charles

No I want him in front of as many journalists as possible. I want him to have to defend his bat-shit insanity.

228 ryannon  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:40:06pm

re: #222 HoosierHoops

Nice catch! Hey if you ever see my 1953 White Nash Ambassador that was stolen from me in San Fran. Could you post a link? It still had the freaking plastic on the seats...

I had a white Nash Rambler from around the same period. It was a really sweet little comic-book style car that I bought for a hundred bucks from a University of Chicago professor. Got me all over Chicago for a year, to NYC and then some....

229 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:40:16pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

Lol,

I don't know who that is, but do consider that in the event of an eco collapse she would look more like this:

....

Dude, where have you been? She is the secret weapon of the coming Islamic takeover of America, or something like that...

230 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:40:41pm

Interesting:

Judges Rule Against Detainees Held at Afghan Air Base
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: May 21, 2010

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court ruled on Friday that prisoners being held without trial in Afghanistan by the military have no right to challenge their imprisonment in American civilian courts. The decision, overturning a lower court ruling in the detainees’ favor, was a victory for the Obama administration’s efforts to hold terrorism suspects overseas for extended periods without judicial oversight.

In a unanimous 26-page ruling, a panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled that detainees who were captured outside of Afghanistan and brought to a military prison at the Bagram air base have no right to a hearing in which a judge would review the evidence against them and could potentially order their release.

Such habeas corpus rights do “not extend to aliens held in executive detention in the Afghan theater of war,” wrote David B. Sentelle, the chief judge of the appeals court, who was appointed by former President Ronald Reagan. His opinion was joined by Judges Harry T. Edwards, a Carter appointee, and David S. Tatel, a Clinton appointee....

231 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:41:19pm

re: #223 Charles

News going around Twitter that Rand Paul is now trying to cancel a Sunday appearance on Meet The Press that he committed to doing on Wednesday.

They're in full tilt damage control mode. Get that guy away from the journalists.

That's like trying to get toothpaste back in the tube. He's already made a mess.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:41:49pm

re: #229 freetoken

Dude, where have you been? She is the secret weapon of the coming Islamic takeover of America, or something like that...

Hezbollah has been plotting for years to make her Miss USA.

This might SEEM counterintuitive, but it is so!

233 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:41:49pm

re: #223 Charles

News going around Twitter that Rand Paul is now trying to cancel a Sunday appearance on Meet The Press that he committed to doing on Wednesday.

They're in full tilt damage control mode. Get that guy away from the journalists.

"Mr. Paul. What kind of magazines do you like to read?"

//

234 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:41:50pm

re: #223 Charles

News going around Twitter that Rand Paul is now trying to cancel a Sunday appearance on Meet The Press that he committed to doing on Wednesday.

They're in full tilt damage control mode. Get that guy away from the journalists.

At least Sarah Palin could becloud the minds of Penis-Americans with a wink.

This guy is toast. A weaselly little man with a weaselly little voice who goes bawling to daddy when the bullies are mean to him.

Americans hate whiners.

235 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:42:21pm

re: #223 Charles

News going around Twitter that Rand Paul is now trying to cancel a Sunday appearance on Meet The Press that he committed to doing on Wednesday.

They're in full tilt damage control mode. Get that guy away from the journalists.

I sense a presence I've not felt since...

August-November 2008?

236 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:42:22pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

Hezbollah has been plotting for years to make her Miss USA.

This might SEEM counterintuitive, but it is so!

Its a cunning plan.

/

237 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:42:32pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

Lol,

I don't know who that is, but do consider that in the event of an eco collapse she would look more like this:

Image: ethiopia_1589297c.jpg

That's sexy eh? People need to understand that America is not immune from this.

I think the risk of famine arising out of insane agricultural practices imposed by Marxist collectivizers during an ongoing civil war is slim to none here.

238 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:42:51pm

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its a cunning plan.

/

That you, Baldrick?

239 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:43:02pm

re: #212 MandyManners

One of the issues is his emotional immaturity. He's always been the youngest in his classes. Maybe I should've kept him in pre-school an extra year. Maybe I should stop kicking my own ass.

YES! Quit kicking your own ass, and give yourself a pat on the back for doing the very difficult thing that's necessary to ensure his success! Good grief!

240 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:43:25pm

re: #233 Gus 802

"Mr. Paul. What kind of magazines do you like to read?"

//

My only issue with this statement is that you thought you needed sarc tags.

241 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:44:12pm

re: #240 JasonA

My only issue with this statement is that you thought you needed sarc tags.

But, but, I thought that Rand Paul was an intellectual.

;)

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:44:15pm

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its a cunning plan.

/

It must be. I mean, now it's been revealed to me by Debbie Schlussel, and I'm still going "Wha? Huh? I don't get it."

243 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:44:42pm

IN fact I am going to give a photo gallery of what millions of future Americans are going to look like if we do not stop AGW.

This is not exaggeration. What do you think a 60-90% reduction in crops coupled with spreading oceanic dead zones, a lack of inland fresh water, millions of displaced refugees looks like?

Welcome to America 2100:

Image: famine.jpg

Image: john-isaac-famine1.jpg

Image: ethiopia_1589297c.jpg

Image: sudan_famine_7.jpg

Ohh and white people suffer from famine too in the same way. This is from the Ukrainian famine of the Second World War. Try to guess the gender of the individual...

Sexy yeah...

Image: famine_near_corpse.jpg

People need to understand that this is coming to America, sooner rather than later, and we are going on about childish things as if they are more important and somehow immune.

244 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:45:12pm

Short version: Newt says we're all Nazis now.

245 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:46:41pm

re: #229 freetoken

Dude, where have you been? She is the secret weapon of the coming Islamic takeover of America, or something like that...

Actually, if more hot Arab women could and did dress like that, while telling backwards men to go to hell, Islamofascism would fold completely.

246 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:47:05pm

re: #224 ralphieboy

I had just the opposite problem, my school sysem skipped me over the second grade.

That went fine until I hit junior high, a late pubertizer, I was way behind my classmates developmentally and emotionally. had problems with it until I hit grad school and sort of caught up with my surroundings.

It catches up no matter what, it seems!

247 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:48:01pm

re: #237 Guanxi88

I think the risk of famine arising out of insane agricultural practices imposed by Marxist collectivizers during an ongoing civil war is slim to none here.

Clearly, only liberals can cause famine.
/

248 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:48:04pm

re: #244 Jeff In Ohio

[Video]Short version: Newt says we're all Nazis now.

Gingrich pulls a Godwin not once but multiple times.

I wish he'd crawl back into his cave. Right before he left office in the mid-90s he was not very well liked by a cross section of Americans.

249 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:48:21pm

re: #243 LudwigVanQuixote

While I admire your tenacity on these issues, I doubt you will get much traction on trying to present a scenario with future Americans looking like starving Africans or Asians.

250 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:49:01pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Definitely do that last, whatever else you do. Mandy, seriously, regardless of the choices you make, you're aware of and concerned with your kid's academic progress. You're holding him responsible for his own choices, and at the same time, taking his learning needs into account. You are ahead of, like 95% of the parenting population on this at this point.

You're OK, he'll be OK after he suffers through the fourth grade again. Nu, it's all right.

He goes from being upset to thinking it's cool as a way of covering up his upset.

When I was growing up, being held back was akin to a scarlet letter.

I think I'm more upset than he is. I need to get my ego out of the equation.

251 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:49:06pm

re: #247 Fozzie Bear

Clearly, only liberals can cause famine.
/

Well, the ethiopian famine was caused by agricultural collectivization under the Marxists. Now, If you're saying liberals are marxists, I think there's gonna be a fight.

252 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:49:45pm

re: #230 Gus 802

Interesting:

Judges Rule Against Detainees Held at Afghan Air Base
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: May 21, 2010

I bet the moonbats are pissed.

253 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:01pm

re: #251 Guanxi88

Well, the ethiopian famine was caused by agricultural collectivization under the Marxists. Now, If you're saying liberals are marxists, I think there's gonna be a fight.

So marxists aren't extremist liberals?

Cars are vehicles, but that doesn't mean all vehicles are cars.

254 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:28pm

re: #252 MandyManners

I bet the moonbats are pissed.

Most certainly.

255 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:31pm

re: #239 reine.de.tout

YES! Quit kicking your own ass, and give yourself a pat on the back for doing the very difficult thing that's necessary to ensure his success! Good grief!

Thank you! It's a freakin' rollercoaster of emotions.

256 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:51:46pm

re: #89 HoosierHoops

Sucks..I see the next 3 weekends on this project committed..
I write a huge Word doc about the subject and pay somebody to edit...I lose money on this...Hundreds of bucks..But it's a great job...
I wish I could write well...oh well

Do you want help?

257 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:51:47pm

re: #253 Fozzie Bear

So marxists aren't extremist liberals?

Cars are vehicles, but that doesn't mean all vehicles are cars.

Marxists aren't liberals; they share a common set of assumptions also shared by many on the right, but there's miles of difference between marxists and american liberals.

258 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:52:01pm

re: #254 Gus 802

Most certainly.

Maybe I'll pop over to Code Pink and Moveon.org.

259 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:53:19pm

re: #258 MandyManners

Maybe I'll pop over to Code Pink and Moveon.org.

Code Pink would probably blast their displeasure for all to read. I'm pretty sure that Move On would self censor.

260 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:54:12pm

re: #259 Gus 802

Code Pink would probably blast their displeasure for all to read. I'm pretty sure that Move On would self censor.

Weenies.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:11:01pm

re: #257 Guanxi88

Marxists aren't liberals; they share a common set of assumptions also shared by many on the right, but there's miles of difference between marxists and american liberals.

Most of the things that I believe as a liberal are antithetical to Marxists.

262 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:15:50pm
Two exceptional nights with Jerry Kane! - successes surrounding Foreclosure & Credit Card Debt along with several interesting technologies! - The 9/12 Project (New York, NY) - Meetup.com.

Christ in heaven. You can't make this stuff up.

I'ts a shame he had to take two police officers and his own son down with him.

Damn.

263 ...stephen  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:23:25pm

Hm, not a mention of the census resister on FOXNews.com's front page. And the one article about the West Memphis firefight is quite conspiracy-baiting:

Although officers were assigned to a drug unit, it wasn't known Friday whether it was a drug-related stop.

"The only people who know what happened in the original traffic stop are dead," Sadler said.


/I blame the Secret Society of Super-Villains.

264 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:25:55pm

re: #212 MandyManners

Maybe I should stop kicking my own ass.

Yes.
You'll drive yourself crazy.
We make the best decisions we can with the knowledge we have.
There are nights I can't sleep worrying about my son, his learning issues, his future and if we did right by him.

265 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:27:32pm

re: #223 Charles

News going around Twitter that Rand Paul is now trying to cancel a Sunday appearance on Meet The Press that he committed to doing on Wednesday.

Dick Gregory will kiss Paul's ass.
He a soft ball interview....

266 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:30:28pm

I'm a crew leader assistant with the Census. Stories like this make my skin crawl, but I suppose I'm fortunate enough to live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Not to say bad things won't happen here, but on our team, the hostilities have been simple refusals to answer specific questions. Most people have been friendly to exceptionally friendly.

Ultimately the Census wants a head count, the other questions are important but not as much as how many live there. It hasn't been explained to me that way, but so far, that's my take on it based on current experience.

267 palomino  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:05:46pm

re: #223 Charles

News going around Twitter that Rand Paul is now trying to cancel a Sunday appearance on Meet The Press that he committed to doing on Wednesday.

They're in full tilt damage control mode. Get that guy away from the journalists.

Great, he can be just like Sarah Palin.

268 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:28:06pm

Just to clarify, the two were not shot to death in Memphis.
Memphis is in TN.
They were shot in West Memphis, which is indisputably in Arkansas. There's a big muddy that separates the two. The two towns don't share any jurisdiction.

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:39:57pm

re: #223 Charles

Funny. White House seems to be doing the same thing with the President.
/

270 morrisab  Sat, May 22, 2010 9:32:49am

re: #152 MandyManners

Speaking of failing, The Kid passed all his classes for the year but, I'm holding him back in the fourth grade next year. I don't know which of us is unhappier.

I don't know what the issue is but from my experience I would have kept my daughter back a year. Both my kids lost their minds at the age of 13, but my son was the oldest in his class and my daughter was the youngest. This meant that he lost his mind in 7th grade, only failing Latin I, and the problems were assailable. She lost her mind in 8th grade, when high schools were looking at her transcript and she needed teacher recommendation letters and to do well on the HSPT. If she had lost her mind in 7th grade - i.e., if I had held her back so she was the oldest in her class - we all would have been in better shape. It took her the better part of six months in 9th grade to overcome the preconceptions that her poor transcript and HSPT performance created in the minds of her new teachers.

In addition, for years I was upset with my son for losing his mind in 7th grade because he did not test into the advanced mathematics track. But I recently ran across a paper that suggests that children may not be cognitively ready for algebra until 9th grade (although, sadly, I can't find the citation now), and he ended up taking AP Physics C and AP Calculus AB and getting 5s in both, so it could well be that he, at least, was not ready for higher math until 9th grade. This is another (hindsight) reason that I was happy that he was 13 in 7th grade instead of 8th.

I really don't think it's going to hurt your son in the long run, and in my experience it has the potential to help quite a bit. I know it's rough now. But this foundation is SO important - and their emotional and cognitive maturity is often not recognized as being as important as intellectual and physical maturity, but it is.

PS. Sorry to have been gone so long, not that I was particularly active before, but I sure lurked a lot. I now have a sort-of new computer (my first build with an ATI mobo) so I am hoping this one lasts a while.


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