ADL: Arkansas Shooting Suspect Was Anti-Government Extremist

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The Anti-Defamation League has a press release about “sovereign citizen” movement member Jerry Kane, killed yesterday in a shootout with police in West Memphis.

New York, NY, May 21, 2010 … A suspect in the shooting deaths of two West Memphis, Arkansas police officers was a member of an extreme anti-government movement, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

Jerry Kane, 44, was part of the sovereign citizen movement – an extreme right-wing movement that believes that virtually all existing government in the United States is illegitimate and which seeks to “restore” an idealized, minimalist government that never actually existed.

Kane was allegedly involved in a May 20 shooting during a traffic stop that left two police officers dead and two seriously wounded. The other suspect in the shooting has been identified as Kane’s teenage son, Joseph Kane. Both suspects were later killed in a second shootout with police.

[…]

According to ADL, Kane’s specialty was an arcane sovereign citizen theory called “Redemption,” which provides formulas that claim to be able to extricate people from almost any sort of trouble, from financial debts to traffic tickets. From 2003-2006, a popular “Redemption” tactic was to assert the ability to eliminate people’s mortgages. The tactic picked up again in the wake of the recent housing crisis; Kane’s seminars emphasized this mortgage angle.

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348 comments
1 Irenicum  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:28:44pm

Right wing extremism. What right wing extremism?
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2 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:31:22pm

Two good cops gone, all for a fantasy world. Just a wholly unnecessary waste.

3 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:32:10pm

re: #1 Irenicum

I happen to know that the culprits were actually illegal immigrants. Its a *redacted* conspiracy!

4 erraticsphinx  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:32:49pm

Basically, murderous thieves who found a ridiculous conspiracy to justify themselves.

5 Irenicum  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:33:00pm

He was also a big 9/12 supporter. Big frikkin' surprise.

6 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:33:01pm

re: #3 windsagio

I happen to know that the culprits were actually illegal immigrants. Its a *redacted* conspiracy!

man, that's really funny

7 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:35:21pm

I would want to want to know what they were doing at the time that made them think shooting it out was the best option... it obviously was not a planned attack. Did they have warrants? Drugs? Some other crime?

8 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:35:41pm

re: #6 albusteve

I thought so >>

9 Irenicum  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:36:21pm

He also has Aryan nation ties according to SPLC. Another not at all big frikkin' surprise.

10 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:36:32pm

re: #7 brookly red

I would want to want to know what they were doing at the time that made them think shooting it out was the best option... it obviously was not a planned attack. Did they have warrants? Drugs? Some other crime?

too much TV....living in a fantasy world will be our downfall, like it did them

11 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:36:47pm

Let us not forget John Patrick Bedell is cut from the same cloth. Republicans can't get away from Alex Jones, Paulians, Oathkeepers, Tea Parties and the Birch Society soon enough. There is no future in violent anti-government conspiracy cults.

12 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:37:24pm
From 2003-2006, a popular “Redemption” tactic was to assert the ability to eliminate people’s mortgages. The tactic picked up again in the wake of the recent housing crisis; Kane’s seminars emphasized this mortgage angle.

How 'bout just pay the fricken' bill. Worked for me.

13 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:38:15pm

re: #7 brookly red

I have the suspicion it was just dangerous losers in fantasyland. Hook line and stupid.

14 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:38:40pm

re: #7 brookly red

I would want to want to know what they were doing at the time that made them think shooting it out was the best option... it obviously was not a planned attack. Did they have warrants? Drugs? Some other crime?

Probably just paranoia from Fox News that the government was oppressing them.

15 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:39:02pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget John Patrick Bedell is cut from the same cloth. Republicans can't get away from Alex Jones, Paulians, Oathkeepers, Tea Parties and the Birch Society soon enough. There is no future in violent anti-government conspiracy cults.

Couldn't follow your link...who was John Patrick Bedell?

16 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:39:07pm

re: #10 albusteve

too much TV...living in a fantasy world will be our downfall, like it did them

why that particular moment? If their motive was to attack the government they would not have used a traffic stop to do so, they were hiding something else.

17 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:39:27pm

re: #8 windsagio

I thought so >>

go ahead...perpetuate an already bad situation with your cute humor...but remember it's as repugnant and short sighted as the trumped up racism already running rampant in this country...you only add to the devisive, partisan meme you claim to abhore...like that

18 erraticsphinx  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:39:29pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

But but but Obama is a socialist.

19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:39:49pm

re: #3 windsagio

I happen to know that the culprits were actually illegal immigrants. Its a *redacted* conspiracy!

That was the ultimate bullshit of the whole thing. Goddamn it.

20 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:40:14pm

re: #15 BryanS

He was the 9-11 truther who shot a couple guards at the Pentagon a few months ago.

21 firstinla  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:40:30pm

This guy was probably related to the nutjob woman who refused to fill out her census form and met the law with a shotgun in her hands. And I'm sure they had to pry that shotgun from her cold, dead hands.

22 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:41:52pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

That was the ultimate bullshit of the whole thing. Goddamn it.

The mantra I keep clinging to is "At least its being forced to come to the surface now, and we'll finally have to come to terms with it!"

23 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:41:53pm

re: #16 brookly red

why that particular moment? If their motive was to attack the government they would not have used a traffic stop to do so, they were hiding something else.

the stars aligned...it was their time to go down...who knows, maybe some genius here will have the answer

24 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:42:04pm

re: #17 albusteve

go ahead...perpetuate an already bad situation with your cute humor...but remember it's as repugnant and short sighted as the trumped up racism already running rampant in this country...you only add to the devisive, partisan meme you claim to abhore...like that

It happened here albusteve. The "hispanic" angle was thrown out here. Imagine all the other places. I'm calling it out.

>>

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:42:57pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

He was the 9-11 truther who shot a couple guards at the Pentagon a few months ago.

Mises guy too, just like some other dude currently in the news.

26 Virginia Plain  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:43:13pm

re: #16 brookly red

why that particular moment? If their motive was to attack the government they would not have used a traffic stop to do so, they were hiding something else.

Drugs? Me thinks so.

27 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:43:35pm

re: #22 windsagio

The mantra I keep clinging to is "At least its being forced to come to the surface now, and we'll finally have to come to terms with it!"

Freaking optimist!

It'll be largely ignored...

28 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:43:42pm

I am shocked (SHOCKED!) by this revelation.

Who could possibly imagine this in America?

29 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:44:03pm

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

Two good cops gone, all for a fantasy world. Just a wholly unnecessary waste.

And the man's 16-year-old son.

All those lives, and the injuries, caused by that man.
Oh, the waste.

30 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:44:42pm

re: #23 albusteve

the stars aligned...it was their time to go down...who knows, maybe some genius here will have the answer

well it was a bad thing that went down for sure, but I gotta ask why? something isn't right even total nut jobs need a trigger to set them off...

31 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:45:03pm

re: #16 brookly red

why that particular moment? If their motive was to attack the government they would not have used a traffic stop to do so, they were hiding something else.

The man seems to have been itchin for a fight anyway. From Charles' original article:

“I don’t want to have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that’s what it’s going to have to come out,” Kane says in one YouTube video. “That’s what it’s going to come down to, is I’m going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I’m not going to be able to stop, I just know it.”

His videos are still on youtube.

32 Racer X  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:45:15pm

Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you.

33 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:45:33pm

re: #27 Varek Raith

I think we have to think that way, and then do what little we can to make it happen.


/believe it or not, I didn't hit my *starry-eyed* phase until my 30s :p

34 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:45:38pm

Charles, can we have a "comment" box in the new linkage pages?
I'm finding it hard to know where to put my comment, so it doesn't look like part of the article!

35 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:45:45pm

re: #26 Virginia Plain

Drugs? Me thinks so.

my first comment was I smell meth... it wasn't PMS that for sure.

36 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:46:12pm

When this does hit the RightWingosphere, it will be portrayed as Obama's brownshirts hunting down dissenters and executing them. The two cops who made the initial stop are dead. Nobody will ever know exactly what that stop was for, unless they have a record from dispatch or in a notebook or something. Without that information, the antigovernment loons that follow these folks can make any story up they like. Bank on it.

37 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:46:23pm

re: #33 windsagio

I think we have to think that way, and then do what little we can to make it happen.

/believe it or not, I didn't hit my *starry-eyed* phase until my 30s :p

Huh, your older than I thought...
.
.
.
.
Geezer.
:)

38 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:46:29pm

re: #30 brookly red

Seems like a pretty straightforward boiling point situation here.

If they keep ramping up the rhetoric, I feel like more of this stuff will happen, until we get something truly awful (think Oklahoma City).

39 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:47:05pm

re: #30 brookly red

well it was a bad thing that went down for sure, but I gotta ask why? something isn't right even total nut jobs need a trigger to set them off...

they hated cops...they were locked and loaded and ready to meet their maker...the rest does not interest me

40 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:48:08pm

re: #31 marjoriemoon

His videos are still on youtube.

OK itchin for a fight means attack... this was a panic reaction they were trying to hide something.

41 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:48:35pm

re: #39 albusteve

they hated cops...they were locked and loaded and ready to meet their maker...the rest does not interest me

The needless killing of two cops, putting your own child in harm's way. I'm glad to be rid of the creep, but it's just a horrible story.

42 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:48:44pm

re: #37 Varek Raith

I'm in my *early* thirties still >> I didn't get really going until late in life :D

43 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:49:04pm

re: #40 brookly red

OK itchin for a fight means attack... this was a panic reaction they were trying to hide something.

I'm sure we'll find out details when they start investigating.

44 Virginia Plain  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:49:26pm

Drugs? IRS troubles?

45 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:49:29pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

160 feared dead in India Plane Crash.
Overshot the runway...

Prayers for all involved.

46 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:49:50pm

re: #44 Virginia Plain

Drugs? IRS troubles?

Paranoid whack job.

47 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:50:05pm

re: #43 marjoriemoon

I'm sure we'll find out details when they start investigating.

indeed. my first guess is drugs, but of course I have no way to know.

48 firstinla  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:50:07pm

re: #43 marjoriemoon

Do you mean we can't jump to conclusions? Aw, shucks./

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:50:47pm

re: #46 Varek Raith

Paranoid whack job.

Meth leads to paranoia.

50 Irenicum  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:50:52pm

The Pittsburgh cop killings I'm afraid were an early clue of what we're seeing more of now. Awful, just awful. Lock up and throw away the key for all of these bastards. And execute any living ones who kill cops. Fucking bastards every last one of them.

51 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:51:10pm

A toast to our police who have to bottom line sort out every circumstance, every whim of anger and of course new laws wise and unwise. And by my estimation they do it for very little money.

52 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:51:38pm

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

Meth leads to paranoia.

Psyco systematic. Hearing things.

53 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:52:02pm

re: #38 windsagio

Seems like a pretty straightforward boiling point situation here.

If they keep ramping up the rhetoric, I feel like more of this stuff will happen, until we get something truly awful (think Oklahoma City).

no, boiling point responses are planned attacks... this was a knee jerk response.

54 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:52:15pm

re: #38 windsagio

Seems like a pretty straightforward boiling point situation here.

If they keep ramping up the rhetoric, I feel like more of this stuff will happen, until we get something truly awful (think Oklahoma City).

Yeah. Well those leftists are pretty damn scary too. I mean, just look at them:

here

Scares the crap out of me ///

55 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:52:16pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget John Patrick Bedell is cut from the same cloth. Republicans can't get away from Alex Jones, Paulians, Oathkeepers, Tea Parties and the Birch Society soon enough. There is no future in violent anti-government conspiracy cults.

When the page on your link was loading, this is the fist thing I read on the sidebar of local stories...

Horse tied up, sexually assaulted in Felton

What's with the left coast & farm animals?

56 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:52:19pm

re: #48 firstinla

Do you mean we can't jump to conclusions? Aw, shucks./

Oh have at it! But from those comments of his, he seemed ready for any excuse.

57 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:52:28pm

re: #46 Varek Raith

Paranoid whack job.

Paranoid, anti government whack job.

58 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:53:21pm

re: #51 Rightwingconspirator

A toast to our police who have to bottom line sort out every circumstance, every whim of anger and of course new laws wise and unwise. And by my estimation they do it for very little money.

I believe one of the officers killed is the son of the police chief or sheriff.

59 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:53:48pm

re: #51 Rightwingconspirator

A toast to our police who have to bottom line sort out every circumstance, every whim of anger and of course new laws wise and unwise. And by my estimation they do it for very little money.

as often as I fought with cops back in the day, I will heartily drink to that

60 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:53:55pm

re: #53 brookly red

no, boiling point responses are planned attacks... this was a knee jerk response.

Have you seen his youtube thingys yet?

61 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:54:00pm

re: #53 brookly red

I'm perfectly willing to accept that there was something else wrong with the guy.

Would you say that this shooting has little to do with his associations?

62 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:54:42pm

Call The Cops

MP3 Audio

- Kool Kieth

*not blues warning*

63 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:55:38pm

re: #61 windsagio

I'm perfectly willing to accept that there was something else wrong with the guy.

Would you say that this shooting has little to do with his associations?

correct, his mother was appalled

64 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:57:19pm

re: #61 windsagio

I'm perfectly willing to accept that there was something else wrong with the guy.

Would you say that this shooting has little to do with his associations?

no, but I wouldn't blame his associations either... there recently was a police shooting by an illegal, that had nothing to do with why he pulled the trigger, he shot the cop to escape with his drugs. I suspect a similar motive here.

65 Racer X  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:58:33pm

Image: AtMY2.jpg

66 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:58:48pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Have you seen his youtube thingys yet?

My guess is that when the cops pulled him over, they saw he had a gun and maybe questioned him about it. Stolen gun, unregistered?

Police believe the two killed West Memphis policemen Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans after a traffic stop, and later seriously wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and deputy chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at a Walmart parking lot.

That's not a lot of info, but seems to imply that Kane took off after the traffic stop and it ended in the parking lot.

67 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:59:08pm

I think things are going to get very "interesting" after 2012. If what we're currently seeing represents the best the Republicans can come up with, there's not a way in hell they can win a Presidency with that shtick. Or so I hope.

I think the GOP is going to win back some seats in 2010 - not as many as they'd like, but enough to make them think this Tea Party bullshit is the the correct horse to which their wagon should be hitched. They're going to think that, if blasting it on "10" worked for the mid-terms, then by golly, turning it up to "11" is the key to the White House.

Unless something catastrophic happens that is unarguably the direct fault of the Obama administration, nobody on the GOP radar today has any chance whatsoever of winning a presidential election.** Obama will win reelection in 2012, and whether it's by a margin of 1% or 10%, the members of the Tea Party contingent who don't instantly explode like the guy from David Cronenberg's "Scanners" are going to go absolutely berserk.

I think the best we can hope for, as a country, is a zombie apocalypse or a robot uprising. Maybe both.

** - unless the country is far more fucked up than I think...

68 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:00:12pm

Can't keep my eyes open....later folks.

69 Tigger2005  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:00:39pm

I remember when one or two people on this blog said they were sure we were going to see a suicide bombing conducted by a left-winger soon. Didn't happen. I would say that, except for a period during the late 60's/early 70's, more violence and terror in this country has probably been committed by racists and the extreme right than has been committed by the left.

70 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:02:05pm

re: #67 negativ

That is a pretty likely scenario.
Dammit.

71 Racer X  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:02:33pm

I blame Bush.

72 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:03:06pm

re: #67 negativ

I think the best we can hope for, as a country, is a zombie apocalypse or a robot uprising. Maybe both.

Put me down for "Decepticon Conquest."

73 Tigger2005  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:03:37pm

re: #72 JasonA

Put me down for "Decepticon Conquest."

Attack of the clones!

74 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:03:37pm

re: #64 brookly red


Hrm. I guess Stanley was right, it'll be ignored.

75 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:03:40pm

re: #70 swamprat

That is a pretty likely scenario.
Dammit.

wait for the next election cycle...be cool, stay in the middle and see how it shakes out...after all, nobody can say what will happen

76 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:03:41pm

re: #69 Tigger2005

I remember when one or two people on this blog said they were sure we were going to see a suicide bombing conducted by a left-winger soon. Didn't happen. I would say that, except for a period during the late 60's/early 70's, more violence and terror in this country has probably been committed by racists and the extreme right than has been committed by the left.


Don't forget the 30's.

The pendulum does swing.

77 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:03:51pm

OT: Gulf release now estimated at 100,000 barrels per day. Video confirms that release to this point has reached 3.1 million barrels, or 130 million gallons. Exxon Valdez was 11 million gallons.

[Link: blog.alexanderhiggins.com...]

This is becoming a singular catastrophe. BP now says they won't attempt a "top kill" until Tuesday. Followed by a "junk shot" (usually only seen when Brittney Spears or Paris Hilton are exiting a vehicle).

What this really means is that they have accepted the fact that they aren't going to kill this well until the relief wells are completed. Another 50 days, or 200,000,000 gallons of oil, unless this thing bridges over.

Catastrophic.

78 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:04:55pm

re: #74 windsagio

Hrm. I guess Stanley was right, it'll be ignored.

I thought I said that...
:P

79 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:05:10pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

I believe one of the officers killed is the son of the police chief or sheriff.

That's what I read.

80 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:05:23pm

The bugfuck-o-sphere is already dropping dark hints of conspiracy and assassination. "This was not just a traffic stop" the Kane memorial page intones, as though federal assassins would recruit local Arkansas cops to carry out a hit during a bogus traffic stop in broad daylight on an interstate highway.
Two hundred random witnesses? Hell, we'll just dig up blackmail material on them from Clinton's secret files and none of them will dare breathe a word.
/

81 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:06:09pm

re: #77 austin_blue

OT: Gulf release now estimated at 100,000 barrels per day. Video confirms that release to this point has reached 3.1 million barrels, or 130 million gallons. Exxon Valdez was 11 million gallons.

[Link: blog.alexanderhiggins.com...]

This is becoming a singular catastrophe. BP now says they won't attempt a "top kill" until Tuesday. Followed by a "junk shot" (usually only seen when Brittney Spears or Paris Hilton are exiting a vehicle).

What this really means is that they have accepted the fact that they aren't going to kill this well until the relief wells are completed. Another 50 days, or 200,000,000 gallons of oil, unless this thing bridges over.

Catastrophic.

Shit.

82 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:06:27pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

Dammit, SORRY!

I feel the ass.

83 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:06:56pm

re: #82 windsagio

Dammit, SORRY!

I feel the ass.

Aww, how cute!
XD

84 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:07:12pm

re: #71 Racer X

I blame Bush.

You know, we've actually gotten past that I believe. Haven't heard it for awhile, except from "you guys" who keep bringing it up.

One thing I did notice today with the link about Obama being burned in effigy (after the link about the geometry teacher tracking Obama's assassination) we've definitely passed the point where "they did it too" can be used.

85 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:07:25pm

re: #77 austin_blue

OT: Gulf release now estimated at 100,000 barrels per day. Video confirms that release to this point has reached 3.1 million barrels, or 130 million gallons. Exxon Valdez was 11 million gallons.

[Link: blog.alexanderhiggins.com...]

This is becoming a singular catastrophe. BP now says they won't attempt a "top kill" until Tuesday. Followed by a "junk shot" (usually only seen when Brittney Spears or Paris Hilton are exiting a vehicle).

What this really means is that they have accepted the fact that they aren't going to kill this well until the relief wells are completed. Another 50 days, or 200,000,000 gallons of oil, unless this thing bridges over.

Catastrophic.

Absolutely catastrophic.
And the flippant attitude of the BP Pres is appalling.

Has he even said anything, made any statement at all about the 11 people are are DEAD as a result of their very bad decisions?

86 Tigger2005  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:08:09pm

re: #76 swamprat

Don't forget the 30's.

The pendulum does swing.

Of course, in the 20's, you had the KKK running rampant. That was their glory decade.

87 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:08:09pm

re: #77 austin_blue

OT: Gulf release now estimated at 100,000 barrels per day. Video confirms that release to this point has reached 3.1 million barrels, or 130 million gallons. Exxon Valdez was 11 million gallons.

...

That is the same estimates from Wereley, one possibility but not confirmed. Note that he is only seeing a short clip of video as well.

88 erraticsphinx  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:08:12pm

re: #81 Varek Raith

fREe MaRKets will halp They will regulate themsevles hey have tyou herd aBOut the Obama's unamericaness?

89 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:08:36pm

re: #85 reine.de.tout

Absolutely catastrophic.
And the flippant attitude of the BP Pres is appalling.

Has he even said anything, made any statement at all about the 11 people are are DEAD as a result of their BP's very bad decisions?

Those who died didn't make the decisions. BP did.

90 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:08:58pm

re: #87 Bagua

That is the same estimates from Wereley, one possibility but not confirmed. Note that he is only seeing a short clip of video as well.

Could you make sense of what i sent you?

91 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:09:39pm

re: #5 Irenicum

He was also a big 9/12 supporter. Big frikkin' surprise.

Nice folks Glenn Beck has with him. "Sovereign Citizen" = Asshole.

92 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:09:48pm

re: #82 windsagio

Dammit, SORRY!

I feel the ass.

Hey! People pay good money to do that to me!

93 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:09:55pm

re: #85 reine.de.tout

Absolutely catastrophic.
And the flippant attitude of the BP Pres is appalling.

Has he even said anything, made any statement at all about the 11 people are are DEAD as a result of their very bad decisions?

No. To him it was the price of doing business. Now it's all about damage control.

94 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:10:07pm

re: #77 austin_blue

Dear God of your choice, please help.
Thank you.

95 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:10:54pm

re: #85 reine.de.tout

Absolutely catastrophic.
And the flippant attitude of the BP Pres is appalling.

Has he even said anything, made any statement at all about the 11 people are are DEAD as a result of their very bad decisions?

stunned and incoherent....otherwise why isn't the media all over this cavalier behavior?...the whole incident is depressing when you think about the needless breakdown throughout the entire system...we are truly fucked if this is SOP....heads should roll from London to DC to the Gulf

96 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:11:04pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

You know, we've actually gotten past that I believe. Haven't heard it for awhile, except from "you guys" who keep bringing it up.

One thing I did notice today with the link about Obama being burned in effigy (after the link about the geometry teacher tracking Obama's assassination) we've definitely passed the point where "they did it too" can be used.

I think it was maybe a week ago when I heard Obama reference "this economic crisis we inherited from previous leader" in a speech he gave. It is what it is.

97 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:11:16pm

re: #94 Floral Giraffe

Dear God of your choice, please help.
Thank you.

Maybe I'm getting crazier, but I'm starting to think that the "nuke it" option is getting better and better...
:/

98 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:12:30pm

re: #86 Tigger2005
20s, 50s, 60s, ...right wing bigotry
30s, 60s, left wing activism

Right wing up by 10 and going for the win.

99 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:12:37pm

re: #86 Tigger2005

Of course, in the 20's, you had the KKK running rampant. That was their glory decade.

True. Back then they were almost everywhere. Not in Chicago, though. The gangs of Chicago were mostly Catholic, and the Klan judged it best not to try to stir up a hornet's nest.

100 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:13:13pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Maybe I'm getting crazier, but I'm starting to think that the "nuke it" option is getting better and better...
:/

well it is a slippery slope... if we start solving our problems by nuking them well where will it end.

101 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:13:15pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Maybe I'm getting crazier, but I'm starting to think that the "nuke it" option is getting better and better...
:/

It's the only way to be sure.

102 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:14:12pm

re: #98 swamprat

20s, 50s, 60s, ...right wing bigotry
30s, 60s, left wing activism

Right wing up by 10 and going for the win.

More like Blackhawks up 3-0 in their series with San Jose. 1 more win and the Hawks get to play for the Stanley Cup. This Year is Next Year!

103 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:15:00pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Maybe I'm getting crazier, but I'm starting to think that the "nuke it" option is getting better and better...
:/

You'll just give the rapture bating bastards what they want.

104 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:15:20pm

re: #90 reine.de.tout

Could you make sense of what i sent you?

Yes, it was fascinating and fills in many blanks. I haven't referenced any of the contents here as there was a privacy note included.

105 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:15:20pm

re: #85 reine.de.tout

Absolutely catastrophic.
And the flippant attitude of the BP Pres is appalling.

Has he even said anything, made any statement at all about the 11 people are are DEAD as a result of their very bad decisions?

Sorry to wave my bleeding-heart-animal-extremist flag, but it's 11 people + untold innocent animal lives lost. It is all unthinkably bad.

106 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:15:37pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Maybe I'm getting crazier, but I'm starting to think that the "nuke it" option is getting better and better...
:/

re: #101 JasonA

It's the only way to be sure.

We could invite both sides to a giant protest in the middle of a neutral state.....

Everyone would be better off.

107 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:15:39pm

re: #87 Bagua

That is the same estimates from Wereley, one possibility but not confirmed. Note that he is only seeing a short clip of video as well.

No he's been looking at the live feed for the last 24 hours which has the pipe that BP has claimed is recovering 5.000 barrels per day. You really should look at the feed on CNN of that pipe, If they are capturing 5% of that release, they are doing a damn good job. And they are capturing *nothing* of the release at the BOP stack that is estimated at 10 - 15% in excess of the main release (another 10,000 barrels per day).

Worser and worser.

108 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:16:08pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

True. Back then they were almost everywhere. Not in Chicago, though. The gangs of Chicago were mostly Catholic, and the Klan judged it best not to try to stir up a hornet's nest.

The wiki has a very long history of the Klan, here are some estimated time frames:

Year Membership
1920 4,000,000[89]
1924 6,000,000
1930 30,000
1980 5,000
2008 6,000

109 blueraven  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:16:19pm

re: #85 reine.de.tout

Absolutely catastrophic.
And the flippant attitude of the BP Pres is appalling.

Has he even said anything, made any statement at all about the 11 people are are DEAD as a result of their very bad criminal decisions?

fify

110 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:16:23pm

re: #77 austin_blue

If those numbers are true - and certainly there will be arguments over this for a long time, then this disaster has reached the size of Ixtoc spill in the Gulf (Mexican side) of many years ago.

Of course, the naysayers will point out that there were no lasting damage from the oil form Ixtoc. However, that spill wasn't in an area like Horizons, which is affecting one of this country's more important sea food sources. (Some Ixtoc oil washed up in Texas, affected some birds.)

111 Tigger2005  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:16:32pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Maybe I'm getting crazier, but I'm starting to think that the "nuke it" option is getting better and better...
:/

It will start a chain reaction that will destroy the planet!

/or was that the Death Star....

112 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:17:00pm

re: #93 austin_blue

No. To him it was the price of doing business. Now it's all about damage control.

Damage control.
*spit*
Try selling that to those families who are now without their husbands, fathers, sons.

The man must have no conscience, no human feeling whatsoever. If that's what it takes to be the head of a company - well, I'm just glad I'm me, and the Roi is the Roi, and more interested in the well-being of people than "damage control". pffft.

113 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:17:15pm

re: #72 JasonA

Put me down for "Decepticon Conquest."

SKYNET came about by accident; the Decepticons were designed that way on purpose. My money's on SKYNET.

114 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:17:54pm

re: #113 negativ

SKYNET came about by accident

Or so SKYNET would have you believe...

115 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:18:10pm

re: #104 Bagua

Yes, it was fascinating and fills in many blanks. I haven't referenced any of the contents here as there was a privacy note included.

Great!
And thanks for the last.

116 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:18:15pm

re: #105 cliffster

Sorry to wave my bleeding-heart-animal-extremist flag, but it's 11 people + untold innocent animal lives lost. It is all unthinkably bad.

I read several Alaskan blogs. They know what's happening, they are crying.

117 tommysilver  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:18:32pm

At some point you'd think this stuff is going to create some major political backlash against the tea partiers, libertarians, truthers, birthers and the other sacks of shit who violently force their ideology (through words and deeds) on the rest of us.

118 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:18:38pm

I knew they were "sovereigns" before the confirmation. I'm just that smart.

How?

The obit page linked on an earlier thread - a page put up by the Kanes' supporters, mind you - mentioned that the son had been detained last year for not having a valid driver's license in New Mexico.

So the paranoid assumption on the part of these freaks' friends is that they were targeted in Tennessee because of the earlier infraction, which the sovereigns do not see as an infraction, but as a way to say "fuck you" to the ZOG and all.

You know who else made a point of not carrying a driver's license? Timothy McVeigh and the tools who trained him.

These people are absolutely nuts and I hope I never run into one of them on a dark highway.

But according to the same obit page, they were "cleancut", so that makes it all OK.

119 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:18:43pm

re: #105 cliffster

Sorry to wave my bleeding-heart-animal-extremist flag, but it's 11 people + untold innocent animal lives lost. It is all unthinkably bad.

No animals, yet
But it's coming.

120 Tigger2005  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:22:05pm

re: #113 negativ

SKYNET came about by accident; the Decepticons were designed that way on purpose. My money's on SKYNET.

The Clone Army can defeat any silly Trade Federation robot force.

121 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:22:34pm

re: #111 Tigger2005

It will start a chain reaction that will destroy the planet!

/or was that the Death Star...

That was actually the Galaxy Gun. The Death Star used a Superlaser to punch through to the planet's center and literally blast it apart.

122 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:22:34pm

re: #112 reine.de.tout

Damage control.
*spit*
Try selling that to those families who are now without their husbands, fathers, sons.

The man must have no conscience, no human feeling whatsoever. If that's what it takes to be the head of a company - well, I'm just glad I'm me, and the Roi is the Roi, and more interested in the well-being of people than "damage control". pffft.

(Bows to the Queen)

Your Majesty, I could have not said it better myself. Katrina was hell in a bucket, but this Thing could destroy the economy and culture of coastal Louisiana.

Try to put a price on that!

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:22:57pm

re: #12 BryanS

How 'bout just pay the fricken' bill. Worked for me.

You're too reality-based to get it.

124 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:23:16pm

re: #77 austin_blue

OT: Gulf release now estimated at 100,000 barrels per day. Video confirms that release to this point has reached 3.1 million barrels, or 130 million gallons. Exxon Valdez was 11 million gallons.

[Link: blog.alexanderhiggins.com...]

This is becoming a singular catastrophe. BP now says they won't attempt a "top kill" until Tuesday. Followed by a "junk shot" (usually only seen when Brittney Spears or Paris Hilton are exiting a vehicle).

What this really means is that they have accepted the fact that they aren't going to kill this well until the relief wells are completed. Another 50 days, or 200,000,000 gallons of oil, unless this thing bridges over.

Catastrophic.

Heard a piece on NPR today that discussed several things I hadn't considered. The piece states clearly that it's largely speculative, but that's mainly because nothing like this has ever been observed before.

Hurricane, Oil Spill Could Be Troubling Mix

The Atlantic hurricane season begins June 1, and forecasters expect it to be busier than usual. Meanwhile, oil continues to gush into the Gulf of Mexico from the site where the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded on April 20 and sank two days later in 5,000 feet of water.

Since then, oil has been accumulating at the surface. And that could be raising the temperature of the surrounding water, says Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

"You have this black surface, and it's doing two things," Emanuel says. "First of all it's absorbing sunlight. And secondly, it is curtailing evaporation from the Gulf."

Evaporation normally helps cool the Gulf waters, Emanuel says.

"So theoretically, the Gulf underneath this oil slick should be getting hotter than it normally would be." And hotter water helps create more powerful hurricanes.

It's hard to know if the water is actually getting hotter, though, because oil prevents satellites from taking accurate temperature readings.

It's not all doom-and-gloom, but the main idea is that we really don't have much of an idea what the ramifications of this event are going to be.

125 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:23:29pm

re: #118 Cato the Elder

From the ADL's page:

If Jerry Kane is proven responsible for these tragic murders, it would be a new page in the same old book for the sovereign citizens, who have assaulted or killed a number of law enforcement officials in the past 20 years, especially during traffic stops.
...
Prior to this latest incident, 19 law enforcement officers around the country had been killed by right-wing extremists during the period 2001-2010.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:24:22pm

re: #16 brookly red

why that particular moment? If their motive was to attack the government they would not have used a traffic stop to do so, they were hiding something else.

Might have been. Or they could have been highly paranoid. Or high. Or it could have had something to do with their conspiracy-fantasy world.

I assume we'll learn a little more, but some of it may not be able to be reconstructed.

127 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:24:48pm

re: #7 brookly red

I would want to want to know what they were doing at the time that made them think shooting it out was the best option... it obviously was not a planned attack. Did they have warrants? Drugs? Some other crime?

I would guess they figured enough was enough. That meddlesome entity, the government, was disrespecting their seminar theory about how no law is valid. And when you're disrespected, and you think like they did, deadly force is the first thing that comes to mind.

Some people just talk themselves down from the window swan-dive style.

128 brookly red  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:24:57pm

re: #125 marjoriemoon

From the ADL's page:

If Jerry Kane is proven responsible for these tragic murders, it would be a new page in the same old book for the sovereign citizens, who have assaulted or killed a number of law enforcement officials in the past 20 years, especially during traffic stops.
...
Prior to this latest incident, 19 law enforcement officers around the country had been killed by right-wing extremists during the period 2001-2010.

that is bad. how many were killed by common criminals?

129 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:27:43pm

re: #101 JasonA

It's the only way to be sure.

Ellen Ripley 2012.

No VP needed, because it's Ripley, FFS.

130 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:28:07pm

"Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you"
- Justin's Dad

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:29:07pm

re: #29 reine.de.tout

And the man's 16-year-old son.

All those lives, and the injuries, caused by that man.
Oh, the waste.

Does anyone know anything about the boy's mother? Is she around? Is she crazy?

132 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:29:13pm

Rand Paul's comment about the BP oil disaster which I might sum up as "Hey whats the biggie ..accidents happen" is ignorant, offensive and just plain stupid. Anyone who knows anything about safety in construction and industry knows that the first rule is that all accidents and injuries are preventable. He and anyone else who just think "Oh well, things like that are gonna happen" display a profound lack of knowledge on the subject. I have been involved in heavy industry for 25 years and never once have I ever seen an injury report in which someone did not violate known safety procedures. The key to working safely is to never get complacent about maintaining safe work practices and never rush into a job without scoping out and isolating the potential hazards.

Rand Paul ought to stick with what he knows about or just shut his piehole, one.

133 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:29:24pm

re: #108 marjoriemoon

The wiki has a very long history of the Klan, here are some estimated time frames:

Year Membership
1920 4,000,000[89]
1924 6,000,000
1930 30,000
1980 5,000
2008 6,000

Interesting.

The Great Depression was hard on everybody, but people who ruined perfectly good sheets at that rate were bound to be among the most affected.

134 tommysilver  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:29:42pm

re: #107 austin_blue

There is no way to know the actual oil composition of the stream, it could be anywhere from 10-100% and is highly aerated as well. There are periods when little actual oil appears to be streaming. As a result, it is completely insane that somebody would think they can determine the flow rate from a video by simply counting pixels. That said, it is absolutely catastrophic. Offshore drilling in the U.S. is effective dead forever.

135 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:29:54pm

OT - alert

Ok... so I get Sunday evening off at 7:00pm, the finale of LOST starts at 8pm. Considering I am low man at work among about 20 checkers, this was a gift from my manager. Normally I work 4-5 hours in the evening on Sunday, but this Sunday, they managed to schedule me from 11:45 to 7:00pm... near next to impossible for someone as "green" as I am to get any requested time off.

For the 1 or 2 LOST fans out there... just a reminder about the schedule of LOST events on TV this weekend. Sat. evening they are playing the Pilot 1 and Pilot 2 episodes, the first two hours of the show from 6 years ago.

Then on Sunday evening, there will be a 2 hour recap of the complete series... if you want to catch up on 6 years of episodes, that's the time to do it... and then... the 2 1/2 hour series finale... after your local news there will be an hour of Jimmy Krimmel Live show with members of the LOST cast.

So... a total of 7 1/2 hours of LOST coverage this weekend. The TV event of a lifetime.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:30:29pm

re: #36 Renaissance_Man

When this does hit the RightWingosphere, it will be portrayed as Obama's brownshirts hunting down dissenters and executing them. The two cops who made the initial stop are dead. Nobody will ever know exactly what that stop was for, unless they have a record from dispatch or in a notebook or something. Without that information, the antigovernment loons that follow these folks can make any story up they like. Bank on it.

With that information they will still make up any story they like.

I absolutely hate people who make shit up to justify the death of cops.

137 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:31:18pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

WOO HOO!
Glad you got the time off.
I hope your show will be worth it!

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:32:02pm

re: #47 brookly red

indeed. my first guess is drugs, but of course I have no way to know.

Makes as much sense as anything. More information may come out.

139 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:32:26pm

re: #128 brookly red

that is bad. how many were killed by common criminals?

Well, all of them. Having some nutcase doctrine that isn't even an ideology, but just another patter for another sort of con game, doesn't disqualify you for standing as "common criminal".

140 laZardo  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:32:27pm

Evening folks.

Woke up this morning and apparently found out that one of my car's tires has been blown out. Mom suspects it's been "slashed" due to the size of the whole, but then again it was only one tire.

141 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:32:28pm

re: #128 brookly red

that is bad. how many were killed by common criminals?

Not sure, but there's a link on the ADL page to another story about "Traffic Stops Involving Extremists Are Particularly Dangerous to Officers".

[Link: www.adl.org...]

The incident began after an Ohio Highway Patrol trooper stopped Matthews' Ford Taurus for speeding. When the trooper approached the vehicle, Matthews declined to cooperate. Only rolling his window down a crack, he refused to give the officer his drivers license. Instead, he lectured the officer about his 13th Amendment rights and other subjects, before abruptly driving off.

It doesn't say that they specifically target officers, but they do seem to be a favorite prey.

142 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:32:38pm

re: #127 lostlakehiker

I would guess they figured enough was enough. That meddlesome entity, the government, was disrespecting their seminar theory about how no law is valid. And when you're disrespected, and you think like they did, deadly force is the first thing that comes to mind.

Some people just talk themselves down from the window swan-dive style.

How are these people different from anarchists?

143 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:32:57pm

re: #37 Varek Raith

Huh, your older than I thought...
.
.
.
.
Geezer.
:)

I feel sorry for you because you'll never truly understand all the great Jet Set Willy related humor.

144 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:32:58pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

Then on Sunday evening, there will be a 2 hour recap of the complete series... if you want to catch up on 6 years of episodes, that's the time to do it...

Maybe if they could boil it all down to 60 seconds..

145 laZardo  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:33:20pm

re: #142 JasonA

How are these people different from anarchists?

Maybe not so much. The "moronic convergence" if you will.

146 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:33:41pm

re: #137 Floral Giraffe

WOO HOO!
Glad you got the time off.
I hope your show will be worth it!

Thanks...

147 blueraven  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:34:29pm

re: #128 brookly red

that is bad. how many were killed by common criminals?

What does that mean and how is it relevant? All police officer killings are terrible.

148 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:34:29pm

re: #124 negativ

Hurricane, Oil Spill Could Be Troubling Mix

The Atlantic hurricane season begins June 1, and forecasters expect it to be busier than usual. Meanwhile, oil continues to gush into the Gulf of Mexico from the site where the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded on April 20 and sank two days later in 5,000 feet of water.

Since then, oil has been accumulating at the surface. And that could be raising the temperature of the surrounding water, says Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

"You have this black surface, and it's doing two things," Emanuel says. "First of all it's absorbing sunlight. And secondly, it is curtailing evaporation from the Gulf."

Evaporation normally helps cool the Gulf waters, Emanuel says.

"So theoretically, the Gulf underneath this oil slick should be getting hotter than it normally would be." And hotter water helps create more powerful hurricanes.

It's hard to know if the water is actually getting hotter, though, because oil prevents satellites from taking accurate temperature readings.

It's not all doom-and-gloom, but the main idea is that we really don't have much of an idea what the ramifications of this event are going to be.

Oh, crap.

149 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:35:16pm

re: #130 cliffster

"Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you"
- Justin's Dad

Did you hear about the new tv show - Bleep my dad says - ??

Some people are already protesting it.

150 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:35:22pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Does anyone know anything about the boy's mother? Is she around? Is she crazy?

I've only seen the step-mom mentioned, apparently the elder Kane's "common-law" wife (although common-law is not recognized in Fla, I read).

I have seen nothing about the kid's biological mom.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:36:41pm

re: #64 brookly red

no, but I wouldn't blame his associations either... there recently was a police shooting by an illegal, that had nothing to do with why he pulled the trigger, he shot the cop to escape with his drugs. I suspect a similar motive here.

Fair enough, but if the undocumented cop killer had left behind a substantial body of work in which he revealed a deep fear and hatred of government and all its works, I might have wondered if there was a bit more going on.

152 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:37:02pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

Did you hear about the new tv show - Bleep my dad says - ??

Some people are already protesting it.

I'm a fan of that page on FB. Hilarious old codger drops these lines and his son posts the best of his pearls of wisdom. They made a show out of that?

153 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:37:18pm

re: #120 Tigger2005

The Clone Army can defeat any silly Trade Federation robot force.

You still don't get it, do you? That's what it does. That's all it does. The T-800s are out there. A T-800 can't be reasoned with. It can't be bargained with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear; and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

Meanwhile, clone troopers routinely walk into walls and hit the heads on doorframes because they can't see out of their helmet.

154 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:37:26pm

re: #134 tommysilver

Offshore drilling in the U.S. is effective dead forever.

Currently oil prices are down (due in large part to there being a glut of oil, and a shortage of storage in Oklahoma, in the US.)

When oil prices start shooting up again, there will be fervent calls for "Drill, Baby, Drill."

The dollar rules.

155 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:37:31pm

re: #107 austin_blue

No he's been looking at the live feed for the last 24 hours which has the pipe that BP has claimed is recovering 5.000 barrels per day. You really should look at the feed on CNN of that pipe, If they are capturing 5% of that release, they are doing a damn good job. And they are capturing *nothing* of the release at the BOP stack that is estimated at 10 - 15% in excess of the main release (another 10,000 barrels per day).

Worser and worser.

Actually, the 5,000 barrel claim was a peak event, with an average daily capture of 3,000 barrels. I agree Wereley should be taken very seriously, but I'm not convinced that he is right or has all the data available to BP.

The 10-15% at the BOP stack is also a BP estimate, is it not? I noted elsewhere that BP had at one point also said their Insertion Tube could capture 85% of the spill.

The Insertion Tube is a nifty bit of kit, but doesn't impress me much. They are obviously unable to respond properly with the current technology.

What do you rate are the odds the Top Kill could work?

156 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:37:41pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Does anyone know anything about the boy's mother? Is she around? Is she crazy?

If she wasn't before, I'm sure she is now.

157 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:37:47pm

re: #152 Mich-again

I'm a fan of that page on FB. Hilarious old codger drops these lines and his son posts the best of his pearls of wisdom. They made a show out of that?

Yeah. It was called "That 70's Show." :)

158 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:38:30pm

re: #156 negativ

If she wasn't before, I'm sure she is now.

Ouch, man.

159 laZardo  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:38:46pm

re: #157 JasonA

Yeah. It was called "That 70's Show." :)

Youtube Video
160 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:38:50pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

Good news!

But no matter what Walter, tivo it as well. Be prepared.

161 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:39:17pm

re: #145 laZardo

Maybe not so much. The "moronic convergence" if you will.

That's a very good point. The main difference is that these jokers are nationalists while the anarchists are internationalists. It's a cardinal difference between the scumbags of the left and scumbags of the right.

162 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:39:24pm

re: #143 Nimed

I feel sorry for you because you'll never truly understand all the great Jet Set Willy related humor.

Not a clue.
:)

163 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:39:48pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

For the 1 or 2 LOST fans out there... just a reminder about the schedule of LOST events on TV this weekend. Sat. evening they are playing the Pilot 1 and Pilot 2 episodes, the first two hours of the show from 6 years ago.


Thanks Walter, the TIVO is ready for Sunday, but I had not noticed the Pilots on Sat.

164 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:39:53pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

Did you hear about the new tv show - Bleep my dad says - ??

Some people are already protesting it.

Heh, this guy really tapped into something. This internet thing - it brings the gift of random fame to the fortunate few.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:40:14pm

re: #75 albusteve

wait for the next election cycle...be cool, stay in the middle and see how it shakes out...after all, nobody can say what will happen

Nate Silver knows!!

/

166 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:40:14pm

re: #134 tommysilver

Dead? Barely wounded. Look at all the wells still running. Hopefully what is dead is inattention to details like the workings of the BOP.

167 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:40:16pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

I'm still waiting for the gag ending >>

168 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:40:50pm

re: #157 JasonA

Yeah. It was called "That 70's Show." :)


And Everyone Loves Raymond too. Its a formula character right out of screenplay 101. The cranky curmudgeon. Every sitcom needs at least one.

169 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:41:14pm

re: #152 Mich-again

I'm a fan of that page on FB. Hilarious old codger drops these lines and his son posts the best of his pearls of wisdom. They made a show out of that?

From Twitter to TV: 'Shit My Dad Says' Lands Sitcom Deal

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Didn't look up the protests. They are there.

170 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:41:43pm

re: #168 Mich-again

And Everyone Loves Raymond too. Its a formula character right out of screenplay 101. The cranky curmudgeon. Every sitcom needs at least one.

And let's not forget the King of Kings...

Youtube Video
171 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:42:03pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

I've only seen the step-mom mentioned, apparently the elder Kane's "common-law" wife (although common-law is not recognized in Fla, I read).

I have seen nothing about the kid's biological mom.

I think I read that his mother died a few months ago.

There is a special place in hell for parents who get their kids killed because of their fucking wack job beliefs.

172 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:42:48pm

re: #144 Mich-again

Maybe if they could boil it all down to 60 seconds..

I will... plane crashes on mysterious island... there are 48 survivors... there are also strange people that have live on the island for 3000 or more years... these people protect the island... island holds mysteries of life... these people looking for a new protector/leader... one of the 48 crash victims will be chosen... a mysterious person, Jacob the current leader, has been manipulating people for 3000 years, all in a big game to bring certain candidates to the Island... another mysterious person, the Man in Black, the bad guy (Jacob's brother), has been manipulating people for 3000 years, all in a big game to bring a certain someone to the island to destroy everything... Jacob and the MIB have been using time travel and multiple realities to steer destinies... ending is a big battle between the remaining crash victims and the Man in Black...

173 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:42:59pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

And really, why is "shit" still a curse word? I say we should legalize shit!

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:17pm

re: #85 reine.de.tout

Absolutely catastrophic.
And the flippant attitude of the BP Pres is appalling.

Has he even said anything, made any statement at all about the 11 people are are DEAD as a result of their very bad decisions?

Has anyone? It's weird. I haven't seen much at all in the press about them.

175 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:17pm

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Dead? Barely wounded. Look at all the wells still running. Hopefully what is dead is inattention to details like the workings of the BOP.

Exactly.
Although this incident actually occurred as a result of failure to pay attention to details like setting the right sort of seal at the wellhead, rather than a BOP failure.

It's awful that this is such a catastrophic event.

But wells have been being drilled for 30 years or more without incident.
And will continue to be drilled without incident.

176 What, me worry?  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:26pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

Fair enough, but if the undocumented cop killer had left behind a substantial body of work in which he revealed a deep fear and hatred of government and all its works, I might have wondered if there was a bit more going on.

They were warned about Kane previously. There's a picture of his van and the police pulling him over at that link.

[Link: www.katv.com...]

West Memphis - A sheriff says a man who died in an Arkansas shootout with police after allegedly killing two officers was an Ohio resident whom he once warned might be violent to law enforcement.

Clark County, Ohio, Sheriff Gene Kelly says Arkansas State Police told him Friday that 45-year-old Jerry Kane Jr. of Springfield, Ohio, is one of two people killed in the shootout in the parking lot of a Walmart store. Arkansas police have not released the pair's names to the media.

Authorities say they killed two West Memphis police officers--Sgt. Brandon Paudert and Officer Bill Evans--with assault rifles Thursday after being pulled over in a white minivan with Ohio plates.

Kelly says Kane sent him a complaint letter in 2004 that prompted the sheriff to warn officers he might be dangerous.

177 laZardo  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:30pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

I will... plane crashes on mysterious island... there are 48 survivors... there are also strange people that have live on the island for 3000 or more years... these people protect the island... island holds mysteries of life... these people looking for a new protector/leader... one of the 48 crash victims will be chosen... a mysterious person, Jacob the current leader, has been manipulating people for 3000 years, all in a big game to bring certain candidates to the Island... another mysterious person, the Man in Black, the bad guy (Jacob's brother), has been manipulating people for 3000 years, all in a big game to bring a certain someone to the island to destroy everything... Jacob and the MIB have been using time travel and multiple realities to steer destinies... ending is a big battle between the remaining crash victims and the Man in Black...

Spoiler: EVERYBODY DIES.

178 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:40pm

These "sovereigns" are often clinically paranoid with delusions of grandeur combined with a ramified persecution complex.

They hold themselves above any laws, particularly petty annoying ones like having to go to the DMV and get a license. But at the same time they are shit-scared of being stopped and questioned about it. Yet on top of those two feelings they have, like all paranoiacs, a deep need to explain themselves and make the other person accept their skein of paranoid fantasies as the truth. And on top of all that there is the deeper fear that if they're stopped they'll not only be fined for not having a license but pressed into the Iron Maiden, broken on the wheel, flayed alive, and slow-roasted on spits.

So they have, shall we say, short fuses.

Thus, when stopped for a burnt-out taillight, they refuse to cooperate, but still try to harangue the officer through closed car windows about their "rights" and the Constitution and the reptilian nitrogen-breathers who are using the police as their tools and the Zionists and Ron Paul and...then the horrible truth that they've stumbled into the beast's maw hits 'em, and they reach for the little man's Big Best Friend, because better to go out in a blaze of glory with your teenage son than to face the American Inquisition or, worse, have to pay a ticket.

179 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:40pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

Good news!

But no matter what Walter, tivo it as well. Be prepared.

I don't have any way to record it. I can watch it on line Monday if I really have to...

180 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:49pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

With that information they will still make up any story they like.

I absolutely hate people who make shit up to justify the death of cops.

A quick trolling of free republic yields no comment on the topic. They're up in arms about Austin TX boycotting AZ, and are organizing a counter-boycott of Austin.

Tempest in a teapot.

181 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:51pm

re: #171 webevintage

I think I read that his mother died a few months ago.

There is a special place in hell for parents who get their kids killed because of their fucking wack job beliefs.

YES. It's what I meant to say earlier, but I couldn't find the words.

182 tommysilver  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:43:59pm

re: #154 freetoken

This makes the Santa Barbara spill of '69 seem like a stage adaption of "There Will Be Blood" by kindergardners. I can guarantee you that at least NEW offshore oil drilling in the U.S. is dead forever.

183 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:44:30pm

re: #173 JasonA

And really, why is "shit" still a curse word? I say we should legalize shit!

I think the show is "stuff" my dad says.

chickenshits.

Anyone watch "Rescue Me" on FX? I think they broke many of the cable language barriers.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:45:04pm

re: #94 Floral Giraffe

Dear God of your choice, please help.
Thank you.

Amen.

/"I do swear this in the name of my mother and my father and the deity of my choice."

185 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:45:04pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Has anyone? It's weird. I haven't seen much at all in the press about them.

There have been stories locally, about those local folks who were killed.
But you're right - not much has been heard about them, at all.

186 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:45:33pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

Anti-social to the nth power. Do none of them consider that maybe they shouldn't be using our roads then?

187 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:46:08pm

re: #134 tommysilver

There is no way to know the actual oil composition of the stream, it could be anywhere from 10-100% and is highly aerated as well. There are periods when little actual oil appears to be streaming. As a result, it is completely insane that somebody would think they can determine the flow rate from a video by simply counting pixels. That said, it is absolutely catastrophic. Offshore drilling in the U.S. is effective dead forever.

You, sir, are an idiot. Aerated by what? There *is* no air downhole, except for produced natural gas. The natural gas immediately phase-changes to gas hydrates on contact with seawater , which killed the "Big Box", if you may recall. This release is driven exclusively by downhole pressure which, based on mud weight at the depth of the well was 13,000 psi. The whole idea of the "Top Kill" is specious. No way they can overcome the flow from the open formation that is is uncontrolled from the top. The only hope to kill the blowout are the relief wells. BP is delaying all of the "plugging efforts" because they are perfectly aware of this fact.

188 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:46:11pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

Really? Thats what I've been missing? Sounds like The X Files meets The Swiss Family Robinson.

189 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:46:12pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

Somebody gonna yell at us for this attitude of ours. :-)>

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:46:44pm

re: #167 windsagio

I'm still waiting for the gag ending >>

You mean...?

191 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:46:45pm

Timeline of shooting:
[Link: www.commercialappeal.com...]

Also from the Commercial Appeal:
"As recently as April 10, Jerry Kane was arrested after a traffic stop on April 10 in Lincoln County, New Mexico, for concealing his identity and driving with a suspended/revoked driver’s license.

In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Kane describes the arrest in anti-government language: “I ran into a Nazi checkpoint in the middle of New Mexico where they were demanding papers or jail.” Because he does not believe the government has the right to sanction identification, he chose two days in jail before being released on bond — “pay a ransom,” Kane said.

Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot 2 and 230 pounds. Since 1983, Kane was arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and driving with expired tags. Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly shooting a 13-year-old boy with a “handgun-style BB gun.’’ The charge was later dismissed."

[Link: www.commercialappeal.com...]

192 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:47:17pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

Exactly.
Although this incident actually occurred as a result of failure to pay attention to details like setting the right sort of seal at the wellhead, rather than a BOP failure.

It's awful that this is such a catastrophic event.

But wells have been being drilled for 30 years or more without incident.
And will continue to be drilled without incident.

Same is true about nuclear power, but I suppose everyone worries about the worse case scenario.

193 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:47:37pm

re: #180 lostlakehiker

A quick trolling of free republic yields no comment on the topic. They're up in arms about Austin TX boycotting AZ, and are organizing a counter-boycott of Austin.

Tempest in a teapot.

Austin is joining the boycott? ha!

194 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:47:39pm

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That works too!

195 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:47:56pm

re: #187 austin_blue

O.M.G. Speechless. The junk shot has no chance?

196 tommysilver  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:48:47pm

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Dead? Barely wounded. Look at all the wells still running. Hopefully what is dead is inattention to details like the workings of the BOP.

I meant DRILLING as in exploration, not existing wells. Heck, even Santa Barbara still has its oil platforms. If you think there will be any new offshore drilling after this you are politically tone deaf.

197 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:48:50pm

re: #195 Rightwingconspirator

O.M.G. Speechless. The junk shot has no chance?

That's what she said.

198 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:49:48pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

These "sovereigns" are often clinically paranoid with delusions of grandeur combined with a ramified persecution complex.

They hold themselves above any laws, particularly petty annoying ones like having to go to the DMV and get a license. But at the same time they are shit-scared of being stopped and questioned about it. Yet on top of those two feelings they have, like all paranoiacs, a deep need to explain themselves and make the other person accept their skein of paranoid fantasies as the truth. And on top of all that there is the deeper fear that if they're stopped they'll not only be fined for not having a license but pressed into the Iron Maiden, broken on the wheel, flayed alive, and slow-roasted on spits.

So they have, shall we say, short fuses.

Thus, when stopped for a burnt-out taillight, they refuse to cooperate, but still try to harangue the officer through closed car windows about their "rights" and the Constitution and the reptilian nitrogen-breathers who are using the police as their tools and the Zionists and Ron Paul and...then the horrible truth that they've stumbled into the beast's maw hits 'em, and they reach for the little man's Big Best Friend, because better to go out in a blaze of glory with your teenage son than to face the American Inquisition or, worse, have to pay a ticket.

Rep. Smith: Would you characterize Jerry Kane's actions as motivated by radical right-wing ideology?
Eric Holder: Well, I would like to point out that Mr. Kane's ideology and actions are contrary to mainstream right-wing political thought in our count...
Rep. Smith: RADICAL RIGHT-WING. SAY IT HOLDER. VIAGRA DOESN'T WORK WITH ME ANYMORE!
/

199 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:50:01pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

These "sovereigns" are often clinically paranoid with delusions of grandeur combined with a ramified persecution complex.

They hold themselves above any laws, particularly petty annoying ones like having to go to the DMV and get a license. But at the same time they are shit-scared of being stopped and questioned about it. Yet on top of those two feelings they have, like all paranoiacs, a deep need to explain themselves and make the other person accept their skein of paranoid fantasies as the truth. And on top of all that there is the deeper fear that if they're stopped they'll not only be fined for not having a license but pressed into the Iron Maiden, broken on the wheel, flayed alive, and slow-roasted on spits.

So they have, shall we say, short fuses.

Thus, when stopped for a burnt-out taillight, they refuse to cooperate, but still try to harangue the officer through closed car windows about their "rights" and the Constitution and the reptilian nitrogen-breathers who are using the police as their tools and the Zionists and Ron Paul and...then the horrible truth that they've stumbled into the beast's maw hits 'em, and they reach for the little man's Big Best Friend, because better to go out in a blaze of glory with your teenage son than to face the American Inquisition or, worse, have to pay a ticket.

OH NOES! THEY'RE ONTO CHARLES!

200 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:50:16pm

re: #188 Mich-again

Really? Thats what I've been missing? Sounds like The X Files meets The Swiss Family Robinson.

Sort of... except there are ways on and off the Island... which some of the crash victims were rescued and have returned to the Island to find their "destinies" so to speak... the story and show covers a world wide setting, not everything has taken place on the Island... there are even off Island participants in the "plot."

This has been like a 3000 year board game, where certain people are the pieces and Jacob and his brother have been playing with these people according to a set of "rules" which Jacob made up... it has a lot to do with science versus faith, science versus myth, predetermination verses free will etc.

201 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:51:26pm

re: #142 JasonA

How are these people different from anarchists?

Anarchists have an actual philosophy. These guys just blow smoke and try to make money off the rubes and when the jig is up they play John Dillinger.

Not that anarchy is a sensible political/spiritual stand. It's evil. But it's twisted good rather than just trashy piggishness all dressed up as a movement.

202 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:51:35pm

re: #196 tommysilver

I think sheer necessity will drive the politics. Energy money. Strategic interests. Until they can drill in Lafayette and reach out into the undersea deposits, there will be new deep wells.

203 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:52:01pm

re: #155 Bagua

Actually, the 5,000 barrel claim was a peak event, with an average daily capture of 3,000 barrels. I agree Wereley should be taken very seriously, but I'm not convinced that he is right or has all the data available to BP.

The 10-15% at the BOP stack is also a BP estimate, is it not? I noted elsewhere that BP had at one point also said their Insertion Tube could capture 85% of the spill.

The Insertion Tube is a nifty bit of kit, but doesn't impress me much. They are obviously unable to respond properly with the current technology.

What do you rate are the odds the Top Kill could work?

As to the relief tube, it is a 4" tube in a 21" pipe. You could do the do the math but it comes out about 4%.

As to the probability of a successful Top Kill...

Hahahahahaha!

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:52:17pm

re: #133 Nimed

Interesting.

The Great Depression was hard on everybody, but people who ruined perfectly good sheets at that rate were bound to be among the most affected.

My great-grandfather looked into joining the Klan at one point. I guess that must have been the twenties sometime.

205 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:52:23pm

re: #198 Nimed

Rep. Smith: Would you characterize Jerry Kane's actions as motivated by radical right-wing ideology?
Eric Holder: Well, I would like to point out that Mr. Kane's ideology and actions are contrary to mainstream right-wing political thought in our count...
Rep. Smith: RADICAL RIGHT-WING. SAY IT HOLDER. VIAGRA DOESN'T WORK WITH ME ANYMORE!
/

Touche. Well done.

206 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:53:12pm

wow, how did it get so late? Off I go. Hope yall have a good evening..

207 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:53:20pm

re: #187 austin_blue

You, sir, are an idiot. Aerated by what? There *is* no air downhole, except for produced natural gas. The natural gas immediately phase-changes to gas hydrates on contact with seawater , which killed the "Big Box", if you may recall. This release is driven exclusively by downhole pressure which, based on mud weight at the depth of the well was 13,000 psi. The whole idea of the "Top Kill" is specious. No way they can overcome the flow from the open formation that is is uncontrolled from the top. The only hope to kill the blowout are the relief wells. BP is delaying all of the "plugging efforts" because they are perfectly aware of this fact.

They don't know. Nothing like this has ever NEEDED to be tried before.
Prayers, are pretty much, all that we have.

208 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:53:37pm

re: #202 Rightwingconspirator

I think sheer necessity will drive the politics. Energy money. Strategic interests. Until they can drill in Lafayette and reach out into the undersea deposits, there will be new deep wells.

Agreed. We need to make sure that they are safely built and operated, though.

209 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:54:08pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

My great-grandfather looked into joining the Klan at one point. I guess that must have been the twenties sometime.

Really? What a story, I'd like to hear.

210 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:54:18pm

re: #187 austin_blue

You, sir, are an idiot. Aerated by what? There *is* no air downhole, except for produced natural gas. The natural gas immediately phase-changes to gas hydrates on contact with seawater , which killed the "Big Box", if you may recall. This release is driven exclusively by downhole pressure which, based on mud weight at the depth of the well was 13,000 psi. The whole idea of the "Top Kill" is specious. No way they can overcome the flow from the open formation that is is uncontrolled from the top. The only hope to kill the blowout are the relief wells. BP is delaying all of the "plugging efforts" because they are perfectly aware of this fact.

Heh, "aerated", I missed that.

Depressing to read your opinion on the Top Kill.

211 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:54:26pm

re: #202 Rightwingconspirator

I think sheer necessity will drive the politics. Energy money. Strategic interests. Until they can drill in Lafayette and reach out into the undersea deposits, there will be new deep wells.

Not if they can't get this one shut off.
No way, no how.
This is a BIG mess.
And growing.

212 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:54:41pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

OT - alert

Ok... so I get Sunday evening off at 7:00pm, the finale of LOST starts at 8pm. Considering I am low man at work among about 20 checkers, this was a gift from my manager. Normally I work 4-5 hours in the evening on Sunday, but this Sunday, they managed to schedule me from 11:45 to 7:00pm... near next to impossible for someone as "green" as I am to get any requested time off.

For the 1 or 2 LOST fans out there... just a reminder about the schedule of LOST events on TV this weekend. Sat. evening they are playing the Pilot 1 and Pilot 2 episodes, the first two hours of the show from 6 years ago.

Then on Sunday evening, there will be a 2 hour recap of the complete series... if you want to catch up on 6 years of episodes, that's the time to do it... and then... the 2 1/2 hour series finale... after your local news there will be an hour of Jimmy Krimmel Live show with members of the LOST cast.

So... a total of 7 1/2 hours of LOST coverage this weekend. The TV event of a lifetime.

There's not a way in hell LOST can be properly recapped in 2 hours. I've been thinking for the entirety of season 6 that the only way I'm going to figure out what the hell is/was going on is to go back and watch - with tje benefit of hindsight - every! single! episode! from the pilot onward.

I know that most of my tiny little questions are not going to be addressed. What happened to Vincent? He seemed to be an Important Clue for a while, then... nothing. Maybe he was dead. Also, what became of Bernard and Rose? They were excellent characters that just vanished. All they turn out to be is dentist and an employment agency supervisor? And that's it? What about Aaron? Charlie was a major plot character, too. They can weave Anna Lucia in for 90 seconds in the alternate reality, but I guess Charlie's story is over. There's never any resolution that doesn't lead to 50 more ambiguities.

For those who have never watched it, LOST is basically 6 years worth of pseudo-sci-fi literary blueballs.

213 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:54:49pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

My great-grandfather looked into joining the Klan at one point. I guess that must have been the twenties sometime.

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Really? What a story, I'd like to hear.

Me too.

214 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:54:52pm

re: #203 austin_blue

As to the relief tube, it is a 4" tube in a 21" pipe. You could do the do the math but it comes out about 4%.

As to the probability of a successful Top Kill...

Hahahahahaha!

Lame. A 4" tube? Really, there was nothing bigger?

215 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:55:08pm

Go figure ... in Germany the left wing radicals are the ones in the headlines. The Return of the Radicals ... Crisis Fuels Rise in Left-Wing Extremist Violence

The opposition in this struggle -- Germany's federal government -- has observed the same trend and is worried about this renaissance of left-wing violence in the country. German Interior Ministry crime statistics for 2009 show a 53 percent jump in the number of left-wing attacks, the largest increase seen in many years. Police recorded a total of 1,822 left-wing acts of violence in all of Germany, considerably more than those committed by right-wing extremists.

Those statistics include, among other things, the burning of several hundred cars in Berlin, a large-scale attack carried out by masked individuals on a police station in Hamburg in December and an attack on vehicles belonging to the Bundeswehr, Germany's armed forces, in Dresden in April 2009, which saw equipment worth €3 million ($3.7 million) go up in flames.

216 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:55:47pm

I love it when someone else besides me comes right out and calls another poster an idiot. I've got no idea whether "Tommysilver" is in fact an idiot, but it's refreshing when people just slag each other like that.

It will sort itself out, on the blog, if not in real life.

217 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:56:34pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

My great-grandfather looked into joining the Klan at one point. I guess that must have been the twenties sometime.

Not the Jewish side of the family, eh :?) Though it looks like their numbers have pretty much gone to nothing and stayed there.

218 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:03pm

re: #214 BryanS

Lame. A 4" tube? Really, there was nothing bigger?

That's what she... nevermind.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:11pm

re: #157 JasonA

Yeah. It was called "That 70's Show." :)

I had a student once who was a teeny Red Foreman in training. It was hilarious. Imagine Red reincarnated as a small ten-year-old African American boy in Oakland, and you have this child to a T.

I don't know if he ever called anyone 'dumbass', but I assure you, it was only a matter of time.

220 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:29pm

re: #218 JasonA

That's what she... nevermind.

Way too easy.

221 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:32pm

re: #96 cliffster

I think it was maybe a week ago when I heard Obama reference "this economic crisis we inherited from previous leader" in a speech he gave. It is what it is.

He'll be saying that six years from now.

222 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:38pm

re: #215 Mich-again

Go figure ... in Germany the left wing radicals are the ones in the headlines. The Return of the Radicals ... Crisis Fuels Rise in Left-Wing Extremist Violence

It tends to be seasonal, though. German leftists peak each year on May 1 in Berlin and other large cities, then aestivate and hibernate until around the following Easter.

223 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:58:31pm

re: #211 Floral Giraffe

*waves* How are you doing?
It's been a long day for me..Can I fix you anything tonight? Some super exotic drink?
Wink

224 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:58:34pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

Way too easy.

I know, right? Sometimes you just have to throw the fish back.

225 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:58:49pm

re: #221 lostlakehiker

He'll be saying that six years from now.

Sarah Palin will be saying it in 2013, but she'll still be talking about Bush.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 9:59:28pm

re: #182 tommysilver

This makes the Santa Barbara spill of '69 seem like a stage adaption of "There Will Be Blood" by kindergardners. I can guarantee you that at least NEW offshore oil drilling in the U.S. is dead forever.

I don't know if you're right or not, but I am updinging you anyway for the image of the stage adaptation of 'There Will Be Blood' by kindergarteners.

227 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:00:01pm

re: #207 Floral Giraffe

They don't know. Nothing like this has ever NEEDED to be tried before.
Prayers, are pretty much, all that we have.

Prayers are pretty much pointless when you are dealing with basic physics. God, if it listens to every prayer, generally says "No".

Just ask every parent who has lost a child. Or every waterman in Louisiana who prays for relief from the destruction of his or her way of life that is coming like a black tide.

(Hence, my Fundamental Deism.)

228 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:01:37pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know if you're right or not, but I am updinging you anyway for the image of the stage adaptation of 'There Will Be Blood' by kindergarteners.

And I'm downdinging him in my head for spelling it "kindergardners".

229 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:01:39pm

re: #207 Floral Giraffe

They don't know. Nothing like this has ever NEEDED to be tried before.
Prayers, are pretty much, all that we have.

Such prayers are certain to be of no avail. God's perfectly willing to let us learn from our mistakes. This is tough love in action, and our only recourse is to take correct action. We can pray for resolve and fortitude.

230 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:02:08pm

re: #225 Cato the Elder

Sarah Palin will be saying it in 2013, but she'll still be talking about Bush.

And he'll still be a better human being than she'll ever be. He has loyalty and integrity, she does not.

231 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:03:18pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know if you're right or not, but I am updinging you anyway for the image of the stage adaptation of 'There Will Be Blood' by kindergarteners.

I wonder, just how much say do states have in drilling off of their shores? Can they decide "no, we don't want any (or anymore), or does their input only matter for x amount of miles off their shore or something? I ask because if new offshore drilling is going to die I imagine the NIMBY attitude will have the most weight.

232 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:03:39pm

re: #211 Floral Giraffe

They will get it stopped. A relief well then a replacement well. Unless those are one in the same.

233 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:04:04pm

re: #212 negativ

There's not a way in hell LOST can be properly recapped in 2 hours. I've been thinking for the entirety of season 6 that the only way I'm going to figure out what the hell is/was going on is to go back and watch - with tje benefit of hindsight - every! single! episode! from the pilot onward.

I know that most of my tiny little questions are not going to be addressed. What happened to Vincent? He seemed to be an Important Clue for a while, then... nothing. Maybe he was dead. Also, what became of Bernard and Rose? They were excellent characters that just vanished. All they turn out to be is dentist and an employment agency supervisor? And that's it? What about Aaron? Charlie was a major plot character, too. They can weave Anna Lucia in for 90 seconds in the alternate reality, but I guess Charlie's story is over. There's never any resolution that doesn't lead to 50 more ambiguities.

For those who have never watched it, LOST is basically 6 years worth of pseudo-sci-fi literary blueballs.

Well, no, no every tiny little question will be answered. Does any movie/mystery/epic like this show is ever managed to explain everything. Of course not.

Bernard and Rose... if you had been paying attention, we've seen them, from the time they "skipped" to the 1970's, they have been living together, away from everyone, alone, enjoying the solitude, that was shown and explained. In the sideways time line, yes, he is still a dentist and she is an employment agency supervisor. Yep, that's it for them.

Er, Vincent is a dog, who has been roaming around the Island ever since it "vanished" and started skipping through time... who cares about the dog?

No ones story is over, since almost everyone had something to do with each others destinies in one time line or another... if you remember, Charlie will be playing at the concert with Driveshaft... which we will see in the finale...

The show has given the viewers enough information to fill in moist of the blanks... and there is still 2 1/2 hours of story left.

No, if you have to have every little detail served up to you with a spoon, then this show is not going to satisfy you... it is epic in proportion and it needs to be viewed in that light...

Did you get an answer for every single aspect of the Star Wars world... nope.. but you accepted the "world" for what it was... it's the same with LOST... it has a myth, and that myth is the basis of the show... you have to accept that certain things are part of that mythical world.

234 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:04:42pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know if you're right or not, but I am updinging you anyway for the image of the stage adaptation of 'There Will Be Blood' by kindergarteners.

"I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!"

235 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:04:50pm

re: #216 Cato the Elder

I love it when someone else besides me comes right out and calls another poster an idiot. I've got no idea whether "Tommysilver" is in fact an idiot, but it's refreshing when people just slag each other like that.

It will sort itself out, on the blog, if not in real life.

LOL!
Cato, you are the bestest!

236 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:05:20pm

re: #214 BryanS

Lame. A 4" tube? Really, there was nothing bigger?

They could have, but given the extent of the release, the couldn't have handled any more at the surface. Keep in mind that this release is uncontrolled. They are flaring a *huge* amount of gas at the surface to maintain the control of what they are recovering,. If the recovery was greater, they would run the risk of blowing up the recovery vessels at the surface.

237 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:05:24pm

re: #231 JasonA

I wonder, just how much say do states have in drilling off of their shores? Can they decide "no, we don't want any (or anymore), or does their input only matter for x amount of miles off their shore or something? I ask because if new offshore drilling is going to die I imagine the NIMBY attitude will have the most weight.

States have no say, nations have no say, you have no say, and I have no say.

The number of cars waiting to be filled with gasoline has the vote.

There may be a hiatus in new drilling, but we will drill. Nothing is going to stop the internal combustion engine short of actually running out of oil.

238 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:06:33pm

re: #233 Walter L. Newton


Er, Vincent is a dog, who has been roaming around the Island ever since it "vanished" and started skipping through time... who cares about the dog?

Everyone wants to know where the hell Vincent is...

239 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:06:58pm

re: #223 HoosierHoops

*waves* How are you doing?
It's been a long day for me..Can I fix you anything tonight? Some super exotic drink?
Wink

LOL!
One Long Island Iced Tea would wipe me out!
I'm drinking Lechateau Vouvray from Trader Joes.
Jealous, that you're going to the Indy Time Trials tomorrow!
Bring your ear plugs!
*smooch*

May I get you a drink, sir?

240 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:07:00pm

re: #203 austin_blue

As to the relief tube, it is a 4" tube in a 21" pipe. You could do the do the math but it comes out about 4%.

As to the probability of a successful Top Kill...

Hahahahahaha!

I don't know how much 'suction' that tube is capable of. I doubt they would make a false claim that could be so easily calculated wrong.

241 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:07:25pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

That's a very pessimistic attitude. It's also something we agree on, damn it.

242 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:07:37pm

re: #238 webevintage

Everyone wants to know where the hell Vincent is...

The dog is always the most important character, for me. Why do you think I'm reading an umpteen-part novel about wolves?

243 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:07:45pm

More from the story about left wing radicalism and violence in Germany. Its the "same thing only different".

Interior Minister de Maiziere had members of his ministry draw up a "plan for combating left-wing violent acts," meant to help cast light on the left-wing radical scene. They want to identify so-called leading figures and place "close observers" within the scene, to report on activists' meeting places. These grand-scale plans include recruiting informants, observing suspects and wire-tapping phones. One of the most controversial ideas is the use of "virtual agents" online. The idea behind this plan is to infiltrate agents onto the scene, who can then "create blogs in order to approach certain groups of people and encourage participation in discussions, as well as making contacts."
244 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:08:41pm

re: #233 Walter L. Newton

If L was on the island, the 'mystery' of Lost would have lasted half a season.

/apologies to other lizars for Death Note reference

245 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:08:52pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

States have no say, nations have no say, you have no say, and I have no say.

The number of cars waiting to be filled with gasoline has the vote.

There may be a hiatus in new drilling, but we will drill. Nothing is going to stop the internal combustion engine short of actually running out of oil.

How about a more efficient type of engine?

246 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:08:58pm

re: #238 webevintage

Everyone wants to know where the hell Vincent is...

Wanna bet you see him in the finale? Even though I think it would be lame and unnecessary, I'll bet you see him... hell, we've seen just about everyone who had one speaking line or more back into the story line this season... and we still have a whole formal concert arranged by the Widmores to attend... can you imagine how many other "bits" we will see...

247 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:09:28pm

re: #242 Cato the Elder

The dog is always the most important character, for me. Why do you think I'm reading an umpteen-part novel about wolves?

Those of us when recommended it are in for an earful when you realize he may never finish it, aren't we?

248 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:09:41pm

re: #242 Cato the Elder

The dog is always the most important character, for me. Why do you think I'm reading an umpteen-part novel about wolves?

LOL!
I'm on book 3/12 in the "wheel of time" series, by Robert Jordan.
It's Kragar's fault.

249 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:09:42pm

re: #227 austin_blue

Prayers are pretty much pointless when you are dealing with basic physics. God, if it listens to every prayer, generally says "No".

Just ask every parent who has lost a child. Or every waterman in Louisiana who prays for relief from the destruction of his or her way of life that is coming like a black tide.

(Hence, my Fundamental Deism.)

Hey you! Hope you are well
Mankind does not understand prayer in the least....
Let's say you are the Son of the Almighty God hanging on a cross dying and you pray to God to forgive your killers..Then you start to get the concept...And at that point you begin to understand the evil of Religions in History...

250 laZardo  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:04pm

re: #242 Cato the Elder

The dog is always the most important character, for me. Why do you think I'm reading an umpteen-part novel about wolves?

Because you're a closet furry?

/braces

251 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:07pm

re: #133 Nimed

Interesting.

The Great Depression was hard on everybody, but people who ruined perfectly good sheets at that rate were bound to be among the most affected.

One of the greatest episodes EVAR of This American Life:

Know Your Enemy

Prologue.
Host Ira Glass talks to Stephen Dubner, co-author of Freakonomics, about one of the men in his book, a guy named Stetson Kennedy. In the 1940s, Kennedy, a Southerner, infiltrated the Ku Klux Klan. Then he leaked what he discovered in an effort to bring down the organization. One of his weapons: the Superman radio show. (8 minutes)

That's the main relevance to this post, but the rest of it is highly worthy as well:


Act One. The Minister Meets The Martyr.
In 2002, a Palestinian named Arin Ahmen was arrested for planning to become a suicide bomber in Israel. A month later, Israel's defense minister visited her in prison. Their surprising conversation was documented by a reporter for the Israeli daily Ha'aretz. Actress Enid Graham reads the article. (17 minutes)

Act Two. I Am Curious, Jello.
About 20 years ago, a Los Angeles prosecutor named Michael Guarino thought he'd make a name for himself by taking the lead singer of the Dead Kennedys to court for obscenity. He was so sure of success, he didn't even bother to listen to the lyrics. As the trial wore on, Guarino began to think twice about his mission. Reporter David Segal tells the story. (19 minutes)

252 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:20pm

re: #225 Cato the Elder

Sarah Palin will be saying it in 2013, but she'll still be talking about Bush.

Palin won't be president. Evah. Some things are impossible. Squaring the circle, perpetual motion, president Palin.

Glass ceiling, see.

/nah, that's NOT the reason

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:10:20pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Really? What a story, I'd like to hear.

There's not so much to it, at least that I know about. Great-grandpa was living in Fresno, CA--later known to his grandson, my dad, as 'Siberia with palm trees'. He liked to bitch and moan about blacks and Catholics and Jews and Mexicans, and he heard that there was an organization of like-minded bigots, so he sought them out, and was invited to a meeting at some guy's house.

Apparently, once the meeting was called to order, my great-grandfather realized that these guys weren't regular bigots like him, they were batshit crazy. He had hoped, we think, for people to moan about blacks and Catholics and Jews and Mexicans with, and perhaps write stern letters to the paper, but these guys were talking about killing people. He excused himself to go to the outhouse and got the hell out of there.

He then drove to the home of the local police chief or sheriff or somesuch, and pounded on the door. Chief comes running, in his nightshirt and pants. "Harry, what's up? Are you OK? Mary OK? Are the kids hurt? It's eleven at night."

Great-grandpa rushes in and explains in some detail how there are these crazy violent people talking about killing folks.

"I know Harry. Everyone knows."

"But you don't understand! They're talking about..."

"Harry, I know. Everyone knows. But we're not going to get the Klan out of Fresno County tonight. Go home. Stay away from those people, you hear?"

And that, as they say, was that, except that karma insured that his son married an Irish Catholic girl, and his grandson married a Jewish girl, eventually resulting in me. I can only hope that wherever he is now, Great-grandpa can see the humor in this.

254 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:11:19pm

re: #244 Nimed

If L was on the island, the 'mystery' of Lost would have lasted half a season.

/apologies to other lizars for Death Note reference

But it would have taken him and the other detectives 10 seasons to recap everything that happened.

As you know, I'm watching that series at the bequest of my step-critters... and the most annoying thing is the propensity of the writers to spend 10 every other 10 minutes verbally recapping what happened 1 minute ago.

255 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:11:40pm

re: #240 Bagua

I don't know how much 'suction' that tube is capable of. I doubt they would make a false claim that could be so easily calculated wrong.

Dude, really, go look at the video. They are capturing squat. the rest of the release is vomiting out of that tube at high velocity. Just based on areal extent, they are capturing 4% max. And they are capturing *nothing* from the BOP leak that one scientist (ooh! not to be trusted!) estimates at 20,000 bbls per day.

256 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:11:47pm

re: #246 Walter L. Newton

What of the missing 10 episodes? That has me frothing at the mouth.

257 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:07pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

How about a more efficient type of engine?

Won't matter much when a billion new Chinese and a billion new Indians get cars. More efficient engines will at best slow the rate of increase of oil use.

258 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:18pm

re: #251 negativ

Thank you! I've bookmarked to listen to later.

If I'm every in need of brain food, I pick some older This American Life webcasts. Love it.

259 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:21pm

re: #239 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
One Long Island Iced Tea would wipe me out!
I'm drinking Lechateau Vouvray from Trader Joes.
Jealous, that you're going to the Indy Time Trials tomorrow!
Bring your ear plugs!
*smooch*

May I get you a drink, sir?

Hello Love..Yup it's track day at Indy...Just me and my closest 50,000 friends drinking beer and watching fast cars...

260 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:23pm

I think the last episode of Lost will end with a guy waking up in the bathroom of an airplane from the noise from the next guy in line who is beating on the door saying "Hey buddy you die in there or something?"

It'll turn out the whole story never happened, it was all just bad dream from eating the tuna salad on the plane.

261 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12:43pm

re: #242 Cato the Elder

The dog is always the most important character, for me. Why do you think I'm reading an umpteen-part novel about wolves?

Hey, I read you comment about Ludwig almost spoiling something. Sorry about that.

So, I guess you must love the Freys at this point.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:13:09pm

re: #231 JasonA

I wonder, just how much say do states have in drilling off of their shores? Can they decide "no, we don't want any (or anymore), or does their input only matter for x amount of miles off their shore or something? I ask because if new offshore drilling is going to die I imagine the NIMBY attitude will have the most weight.

I believe the coastal waters are under state control.

263 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:13:46pm

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Hello Love..Yup it's track day at Indy...Just me and my closest 50,000 friends drinking beer and watching fast cars...

As the bad Mazda commercials said...
zoom, zoom, zoom!
Vroom!
Have fun!

264 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:14:00pm

I would like to address the ideologies and beliefs of the Arkansas Shooting Suspect.

Ahem.


I don't fucking care. It doesn't matter.

I remember some old "dirty Harry" movie where the killer is using some complex pattern in the plot.
Dirty Harry interrupts the theory. Says it doesn't matter. Corners the guy eventually. Guy goes into the explanation. Three words in, Harry shoots. Roll credits.


Asshole got himself and several other people killed.
Picking through his bones only aggrandizes him.
Fuck him.

265 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:14:10pm

re: #249 HoosierHoops

Hey you! Hope you are well
Mankind does not understand prayer in the least...
Let's say you are the Son of the Almighty God hanging on a cross dying and you pray to God to forgive your killers..Then you start to get the concept...And at that point you begin to understand the evil of Religions in History...

We will never understand the Nature Of God, no matter how we try to describe it.

The unknowable is unknowable.

266 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:14:16pm

re: #256 Bagua

What of the missing 10 episodes? That has me frothing at the mouth.

They are not missing since ABC didn't give them the time slots and they were never filmed... I suspect you are seeing everything the producers wanted you to see and know about, but some of the plot has certainly been quickened to get it all said.

267 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:14:37pm

re: #257 BryanS

Won't matter much when a billion new Chinese and a billion new Indians get cars.

Speaking of which, I see Tata has new competition.

Your comment about higher fuel efficiency is pretty common. Better efficiency doesn't lead to less use, but more.

268 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:14:42pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

There's not so much to it, at least that I know about. Great-grandpa was living in Fresno, CA--later known to his grandson, my dad, as 'Siberia with palm trees'. He liked to bitch and moan about blacks and Catholics and Jews and Mexicans, and he heard that there was an organization of like-minded bigots, so he sought them out, and was invited to a meeting at some guy's house.

Apparently, once the meeting was called to order, my great-grandfather realized that these guys weren't regular bigots like him, they were batshit crazy. He had hoped, we think, for people to moan about blacks and Catholics and Jews and Mexicans with, and perhaps write stern letters to the paper, but these guys were talking about killing people. He excused himself to go to the outhouse and got the hell out of there.

He then drove to the home of the local police chief or sheriff or somesuch, and pounded on the door. Chief comes running, in his nightshirt and pants. "Harry, what's up? Are you OK? Mary OK? Are the kids hurt? It's eleven at night."

Great-grandpa rushes in and explains in some detail how there are these crazy violent people talking about killing folks.

"I know Harry. Everyone knows."

"But you don't understand! They're talking about..."

"Harry, I know. Everyone knows. But we're not going to get the Klan out of Fresno County tonight. Go home. Stay away from those people, you hear?"

And that, as they say, was that, except that karma insured that his son married an Irish Catholic girl, and his grandson married a Jewish girl, eventually resulting in me. I can only hope that wherever he is now, Great-grandpa can see the humor in this.

Oh that is the best story. Fantastic.

269 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:15:07pm

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Hello Love..Yup it's track day at Indy...Just me and my closest 50,000 friends drinking beer and watching fast cars...

**Envy!*

270 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:15:14pm

re: #241 JasonA

That's a very pessimistic attitude. It's also something we agree on, damn it.

I find as I get older that it's probably a bigger crime in America to be a pessimist than to be an atheist. A bouncy, optimistic, everything-is-getting-better-all-the-time atheist like Windsagio has more friends than a grumpy, it-could-and-probably-will-always-get-worse Catholic like me.

Pessimism in America is a crime against our God-given right (as we see it) to always win in the end, to always have our children grow up to be richer and happier and prettier than we were (though, damn it, we're rich and happy and pretty enough, you betcha!), and to always know that tomorrow is another day, even if we're lying gutshot and gagged in a dumpster with the Waste Management compactor truck rumbling down the alley.

Sigh.

Spare a tear for the poor pessimist, folks.

271 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:16:14pm

re: #270 Cato the Elder

I find as I get older that it's probably a bigger crime in America to be a pessimist than to be an atheist. A bouncy, optimistic, everything-is-getting-better-all-the-time atheist like Windsagio has more friends than a grumpy, it-could-and-probably-will-always-get-worse Catholic like me.

Pessimism in America is a crime against our God-given right (as we see it) to always win in the end, to always have our children grow up to be richer and happier and prettier than we were (though, damn it, we're rich and happy and pretty enough, you betcha!), and to always know that tomorrow is another day, even if we're lying gutshot and gagged in a dumpster with the Waste Management compactor truck rumbling down the alley.

I bet Haku disagrees with you.
And kisses you for it.

Sigh.

Spare a tear for the poor pessimist, folks.

272 laZardo  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:16:36pm

re: #270 Cato the Elder

I find as I get older that it's probably a bigger crime in America to be a pessimist than to be an atheist. A bouncy, optimistic, everything-is-getting-better-all-the-time atheist like Windsagio has more friends than a grumpy, it-could-and-probably-will-always-get-worse Catholic like me.

Pessimism in America is a crime against our God-given right (as we see it) to always win in the end, to always have our children grow up to be richer and happier and prettier than we were (though, damn it, we're rich and happy and pretty enough, you betcha!), and to always know that tomorrow is another day, even if we're lying gutshot and gagged in a dumpster with the Waste Management compactor truck rumbling down the alley.

Sigh.

Spare a tear for the poor pessimist, folks.

Concert boycott issues aside...

Youtube Video
273 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:16:42pm

re: #266 Walter L. Newton

Walter, posted this little video for you last night:


Youtube Video
274 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:17:27pm

re: #271 Floral Giraffe

re: #270 Cato the Elder

Well, that didn't work, at all, now did it?

I bet Haku disagrees with you, but kisses you anyway!

275 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:17:40pm

re: #267 freetoken

Speaking of which, I see Tata has new competition.

Your comment about higher fuel efficiency is pretty common. Better efficiency doesn't lead to less use, but more.

Who's Tata's new competition? Heh....Tata.

276 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:17:55pm

re: #270 Cato the Elder

I find as I get older that it's probably a bigger crime in America to be a pessimist than to be an atheist.

Dude, don't you know, it's always "Morning in America". After all, He said so.

You're upsetting the national religion.

277 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:17:59pm

re: #270 Cato the Elder

You made me laugh and cry with that one. It's good.

278 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:18:12pm

Bed time... I'm tired... there are tons of graduation parties going on this weekend, and the weather has been better so people are planning outdoor meals and such... and every single one of them came into the supermarket tonight to buy big baskets of stuff... I had a straight 4 1/2 hours of customers without a single break in my line (except for my 15 minute break)... I heard the store manager say something about we were doing an average of 14 thousand dollars an hour in sales.

279 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:18:24pm

re: #254 Walter L. Newton

But it would have taken him and the other detectives 10 seasons to recap everything that happened.

As you know, I'm watching that series at the bequest of my step-critters... and the most annoying thing is the propensity of the writers to spend 10 every other 10 minutes verbally recapping what happened 1 minute ago.

:D
Yeah, I guess the series is hurt by the original format of a 20 minutes episode every week. That and a lot of POVs to keep track of.

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:18:36pm

re: #270 Cato the Elder

I find as I get older that it's probably a bigger crime in America to be a pessimist than to be an atheist. A bouncy, optimistic, everything-is-getting-better-all-the-time atheist like Windsagio has more friends than a grumpy, it-could-and-probably-will-always-get-worse Catholic like me.

Pessimism in America is a crime against our God-given right (as we see it) to always win in the end, to always have our children grow up to be richer and happier and prettier than we were (though, damn it, we're rich and happy and pretty enough, you betcha!), and to always know that tomorrow is another day, even if we're lying gutshot and gagged in a dumpster with the Waste Management compactor truck rumbling down the alley.

Sigh.

Spare a tear for the poor pessimist, folks.

Barbara Ehrenreich wrote about book about that very topic. "Brightsided", I think it's called. I've been meaning to read it.

281 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:18:40pm

re: #265 austin_blue

We will never understand the Nature Of God, no matter how we try to describe it.

The unknowable is unknowable.

Well I have always said that understanding God is like an ant climbing on Einstein's Shoe.. The Ant sure as hell hasn't figured out the concept of a shoe much less understand the man standing in the shoes.

282 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:20:11pm

re: #278 Walter L. Newton

Bed time... I'm tired... there are tons of graduation parties going on this weekend, and the weather has been better so people are planning outdoor meals and such... and every single one of them came into the supermarket tonight to buy big baskets of stuff... I had a straight 4 1/2 hours of customers without a single break in my line (except for my 15 minute break)... I heard the store manager say something about we were doing an average of 14 thousand dollars an hour in sales.

Sleep well, Walter.

283 Mich-again  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:20:17pm

re: #281 HoosierHoops

Why did Einstein's shoes attract ants?

284 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:21:07pm

re: #273 freetoken

Walter, posted this little video for you last night:

[Video]

That was too funny... I clipped the URL, gonna show that to the family tomorrow...

Yes... I'm going to bed... really...

285 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:21:54pm

re: #281 HoosierHoops

Well I have always said that understanding God is like an ant climbing on Einstein's Shoe.. The Ant sure as hell hasn't figured out the concept of a shoe much less understand the man standing in the shoes.

God is much easier to understand if he/she/it doesn't exist--the atheist explanation that god is a man-made phenomena is a much simpler explanation in my view.

286 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:22:05pm

re: #284 Walter L. Newton

That was too funny... I clipped the URL, gonna show that to the family tomorrow...

Yes... I'm going to bed... really...

Good night Walter...
Be well

287 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:22:07pm

re: #283 Mich-again

Why did Einstein's shoes attract ants?

They were sweet!
///

288 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:22:41pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

My great-grandfather looked into joining the Klan at one point. I guess that must have been the twenties sometime.

My great grandfather was a klansman also. For context, he died in Springfield, Mo. in 1936, at the ripe old age of 34. I have his wallet, and in addition to a membership card for The Independent Order of Odd Fellows (which includes, I might point out, some amazing artwork), it contains a tattered sort of business card that reads:

REMEMBER
Every criminal, every gambler, every thug, every libertine, every girl ruiner, every home wrecker, every wife beater, every dope peddler, every moonshiner, every crooked politician, every pagan papal priest, every shyster lawyer, every K of C, every white slaver, every brothel madam, every Rome-controlled newspaper, every black spider is fighting the Klan.
Think it over.
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

Good thing I'm not running for office.

289 Querent  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:23:37pm

ay yi yi... (facepalm)

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:23:54pm

re: #283 Mich-again

Why did Einstein's shoes attract ants?

Absentmindedly waving his toast around, explaining the universe, a little jam drops...he never notices...

Read once that Einstein tended to use his paychecks as bookmarks for whatever book he was looking at, and then reshelve the books, making it necessary for Mrs. Einstein to go searching book by book to make sure the checks got deposited.

291 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:24:07pm

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Yeah, they're burning an American over a Facebook page.

292 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:25:45pm

re: #291 JasonA
if outrage was electricity...

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:26:22pm

re: #291 JasonA

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Yeah, they're burning an American over a Facebook page.

FLAG. AMERICAN FLAG.

You scared the hell out of me there for a second!

294 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:18pm

re: #291 JasonA

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Yeah, they're burning an American over a Facebook page.

Was worried there for a moment. Burning Americans is serious. Burning American flags...meh.

295 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:36pm

re: #291 JasonA

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Yeah, they're burning an American over a Facebook page.

Forgive me if this sounds racist, but you are incorrect. Some of us are born that color.

296 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:37pm

re: #285 BryanS

God is much easier to understand if he/she/it doesn't exist--the atheist explanation that god is a man-made phenomena is a much simpler explanation in my view.

Hey you..
Did you know that man has the capability to imagine himself instantly in a world halfway across the Universe..in a split second?
You can imagine anything instantly in your mind..It's a gift...Wanna be walking on Pluto..You can imagine it instantly...
Now imagine the Concept of God..Only Man can do it..And there is a reason why we can....

297 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:41pm

re: #291 JasonA

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Yeah, they're burning an American flag over a Facebook page.

Why the hell do I do that? How? How do I drop whole words from sentences?!? This is pissing me off, especially when it's a really important word like that!

298 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:43pm

re: #288 negativ

Good thing I'm not running for office.

Every girl ruiner. That stood out.

299 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:27:49pm

re: #285 BryanS

God is much easier to understand if he/she/it doesn't exist--the atheist explanation that god is a man-made phenomena is a much simpler explanation in my view.

That takes a lot of Faith.

300 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:28:17pm

re: #296 HoosierHoops

Interesting.

301 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:29:03pm

re: #296 HoosierHoops

Hey you..
Did you know that man has the capability to imagine himself instantly in a world halfway across the Universe..in a split second?
You can imagine anything instantly in your mind..It's a gift...Wanna be walking on Pluto..You can imagine it instantly...
Now imagine the Concept of God..Only Man can do it..And there is a reason why we can...

Yep...we evolved that way. Pretty elegant way of tying all the lose ends together, no?

302 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:29:11pm

re: #297 JasonA
It is very late?

303 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:30:15pm

re: #302 swamprat

It is very late?

I used to think that, but I see myself doing it in the afternoon, too.

304 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:31:05pm

re: #299 austin_blue

That takes a lot of Faith.

How so? Nearly any human culture develops a concept of god, and almost no independent instantiation of a god is consistent with any other. That's not proof there is no good, but rather strong evidence at least that the god man worships is man made.

305 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:32:26pm

re: #303 JasonA

I used to think that, but I see myself doing it in the afternoon, too.

Nevr hppens me.

306 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:32:26pm

re: #258 Stanley Sea

Thank you! I've bookmarked to listen to later.

If I'm every in need of brain food, I pick some older This American Life webcasts. Love it.

Another really good one, largely centered on a story about some Internet goons (ahem, 419eater dot com, ahem ahem) who fight back against Nigerian email scammers in serious ways:

Enforcers

307 laZardo  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:33:25pm

re: #299 austin_blue

That takes a lot of Faith.

I'm what Vambo (or was that Varek?) calls a "don'tgiveafuckist." Regardless of whether there is a God, we all die, we rot and be forgot. Might as well enjoy life while we're still conscious enough to.

308 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:34:32pm

re: #299 austin_blue

That takes a lot of Faith.

Really?

309 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:35:10pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow. Great story. It's becoming a habit. :)

Having grown up mostly in Portugal, at first I couldn't believe people had the gall of being bigoted against Catholics. It was mostly an amusing concept.

Being left-handed, OTOH... oh, the constant mockery you have to endure because you have ruined yet another felt pen! That's when I learned about the "wounds that never heal" stuff.

310 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:35:14pm

re: #296 HoosierHoops

Hey you..
Did you know that man has the capability to imagine himself instantly in a world halfway across the Universe..in a split second?
You can imagine anything instantly in your mind..It's a gift...Wanna be walking on Pluto..You can imagine it instantly...
Now imagine the Concept of God..Only Man can do it..And there is a reason why we can...

Visualizes Hoopster & Winston at the pool.
FG in a bikini, with fruit flavored drink in hand.
LOL!

311 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:35:25pm

re: #255 austin_blue

Dude, really, go look at the video. They are capturing squat. the rest of the release is vomiting out of that tube at high velocity. Just based on areal extent, they are capturing 4% max. And they are capturing *nothing* from the BOP leak that one scientist (ooh! not to be trusted!) estimates at 20,000 bbls per day.

There are many scientists working on this, Wereley is a leading expert but he appears to be grandstanding.

Does your areal extent calculation account for the 'lift' generated by the nitrogen?

312 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:36:20pm

re: #306 negativ

Another really good one, largely centered on a story about some Internet goons (ahem, 419eater dot com, ahem ahem) who fight back against Nigerian email scammers in serious ways:

Enforcers

Great stuff.

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:36:32pm

re: #307 laZardo

I'm what Vambo (or was that Varek?) calls a "don'tgiveafuckist." Regardless of whether there is a God, we all die, we rot and be forgot. Might as well enjoy life while we're still conscious enough to.

My husband identifies as an apathetic agnostic. He doesn't know if God exists, and he doesn't care.

314 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:36:53pm

You may be a closet Deist, then. We have no Faith in a God, one way or another, because *it* takes no active role in our Cosmos. Perhaps *it* is an observer, perhaps a prime mover who at the creation set the rules of the weak force, strong force, gravitational attraction and the speed of light. Whatever, we are on our own to be the best humans we can be.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:38:06pm

re: #309 Nimed

Wow. Great story. It's becoming a habit. :)

Having grown up mostly in Portugal, at first I couldn't believe people had the gall of being bigoted against Catholics. It was mostly an amusing concept.

Being left-handed, OTOH... oh, the constant mockery you have to endure because you have ruined yet another felt pen! That's when I learned about the "wounds that never heal" stuff.

I can see how in Portugal, anti-Catholic bigotry might not be a major social factor...

We have a bunch of Portuguese-American kids at the school I teach at. It's been sort of interesting to gradually notice them as a group within the school.

316 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:38:06pm

re: #299 austin_blue

That takes a lot of Faith.

Not really Bro..
All you need is the faith of a small mustard seed...

317 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:38:07pm

re: #311 Bagua

There are many scientists working on this, Wereley is a leading expert but he appears to be grandstanding.

Does your areal extent calculation account for the 'lift' generated by the nitrogen?

Yes.

318 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:38:17pm

re: #297 JasonA

Why the hell do I do that? How? How do I drop whole words from sentences?!? This is pissing me off, especially when it's a really important word like that!

And bad luck with KKK discussion too!

319 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:38:37pm

re: #266 Walter L. Newton

They are not missing since ABC didn't give them the time slots and they were never filmed... I suspect you are seeing everything the producers wanted you to see and know about, but some of the plot has certainly been quickened to get it all said.

I hold that they are in fact lost episodes as the writer had planned on having much more time to develop the season. As a result, everything seems rushed and I feel cheated.

Also, I still think you are jumping to conclusions about Smokey, he may turn out to be the good guy after all.

320 austin_blue  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:40:03pm

Good night all! This Austin denizen is for the rack.

Be well. Sweet dreams!

321 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:40:34pm

re: #298 Stanley Sea

Every girl ruiner. That stood out.

I've always preferred the moniker, "The Evil Corrupter of Youth", which is taken from a Frank Zappa tune.

322 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:40:39pm

re: #317 austin_blue

Yes.

Ok, thanks.

323 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:40:53pm

re: #319 Bagua

I hold that they are in fact lost episodes as the writer had planned on having much more time to develop the season. As a result, everything seems rushed and I feel cheated.

Also, I still think you are jumping to conclusions about Smokey, he may turn out to be the good guy after all.

I've been suspecting that for a while now. The suspicions grew stronger last week after meeting Jacob's "mother."

324 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:41:30pm

re: #310 Floral Giraffe

Visualizes Hoopster & Winston at the pool.
FG in a bikini, with fruit flavored drink in hand.
LOL!

The day you hang out with the Hoopster at the Swimming pool in a bikini..
We will get a million hits on page 6 from the NY post...
*wink*

325 Querent  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:42:33pm

re: #281 HoosierHoops

That's a pretty heavy thought for a Friday.

326 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:43:19pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see how in Portugal, anti-Catholic bigotry might not be a major social factor...

We have a bunch of Portuguese-American kids at the school I teach at. It's been sort of interesting to gradually notice them as a group within the school.

Really? Are they a joyful bunch?

327 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:44:35pm

re: #323 JasonA

I've been suspecting that for a while now. The suspicions grew stronger last week after meeting Jacob's "mother."

No kidding about the mother, eh? Creepy woman that. Also, all this talk about the MIB being Jacob's brother is just a diversion. Dead is dead. Jacob's brother is dead, but not buried, so Smokey used that form and those memories to taunt Jacob, but it's not his brother.

Also, Smokey preceded the brother's demise and killed off the village and closed the well.

328 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:45:08pm

re: #325 Querent

That's a pretty heavy thought for a Friday.

I'm 6 hours away from hanging out at the track for 12 hours...It's what I do..
*wink*

329 Querent  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:45:18pm

re: #304 BryanS

How so? Nearly any human culture develops a concept of god, and almost no independent instantiation of a god is consistent with any other. That's not proof there is no good, but rather strong evidence at least that the god man worships is man made.

Sounds like,
In the beginning, God created Man in His image.
Man then promptly turned around and returned the favor.

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:46:16pm

re: #326 Nimed

Really? Are they a joyful bunch?

They're teenagers, so only when pizza is involved.

331 Querent  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:47:09pm

re: #328 HoosierHoops
and you're going to pull an all-nighter with us Lizards to get you all worn out for it?

332 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:47:39pm

re: #307 laZardo

I'm what Vambo (or was that Varek?) calls a "don'tgiveafuckist." Regardless of whether there is a God, we all die, we rot and be forgot. Might as well enjoy life while we're still conscious enough to.

Ken Keseys' "Sometimes A Great Notion" prayer;

Lord, I worked and sweated and I built every inch of this farm and everything on it by the work of my own two hands. But I promised these boys' mother that I would give thanks to you at every meal; so for the good things that we have here, I thank you Lord. OK. Let's eat

333 BryanS  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:48:41pm

re: #329 Querent

Sounds like,
In the beginning, God created Man in His image.
Man then promptly turned around and returned the favor.

Pretty much. We have decent proof of the second part--but no proof for the first part.

334 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:49:16pm

re: #309 Nimed

Great bread. Hawiian sweetbread is close.

335 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:50:02pm

re: #327 Bagua

You know, it hadn't occurred to me that Smokey wasn't the MiB at all. Say, did they ever explain why he's stuck in Locke's shape now?

336 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:51:21pm

re: #331 Querent

and you're going to pull an all-nighter with us Lizards to get you all worn out for it?

Nah...I sleep only a couple of hours a night...I'll post from the speedway on my crackberry in the morning...Fast cars..Beautiful women..I'll be there..Trust me

337 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:52:54pm

re: #334 swamprat

Great bread. Hawiian sweetbread is close.

Thanks! The expresso is another national pride.

338 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:57:05pm

re: #337 Nimed

Oh. You had to bring up galoans.(spelling?)

Yes. Their expresso is good.
Try cuban coffee sometime, you find it to your liking.

339 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:57:37pm

re: #270 Cato the Elder

I find as I get older that it's probably a bigger crime in America to be a pessimist than to be an atheist. A bouncy, optimistic, everything-is-getting-better-all-the-time atheist like Windsagio has more friends than a grumpy, it-could-and-probably-will-always-get-worse Catholic like me.

Pessimism in America is a crime against our God-given right (as we see it) to always win in the end, to always have our children grow up to be richer and happier and prettier than we were (though, damn it, we're rich and happy and pretty enough, you betcha!), and to always know that tomorrow is another day, even if we're lying gutshot and gagged in a dumpster with the Waste Management compactor truck rumbling down the alley.

Sigh.

Spare a tear for the poor pessimist, folks.

Sorry, no can do. I'll chuckle gently. You old pessimist, you.

Sure, Iran will probably get nukes. Sure, AGW is going to kill millions, and drive hundreds of millions into poverty. But we'll get through this bad patch and the next. Our inventiveness and energy will see us through. Quantum computers, artificial life, and crime control cameras watching every Waste Management* truck lie ahead.

340 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:59:28pm

By Jingo, I'm hitting the sack!

341 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 10:59:46pm

re: #335 JasonA

You know, it hadn't occurred to me that Smokey wasn't the MiB at all. Say, did they ever explain why he's stuck in Locke's shape now?

Dead is dead and the MIB is in the cave.

No more on the Locke thing, just that it is because of Jacob being killed.

342 Nimed  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:01:24pm

re: #338 swamprat

Oh. You had to bring up galoans.(spelling?)

Yes. Their expresso is good.
Try cuban coffee sometime, you find it to your liking.

Close enough. Galões (tricky plural - singular galão).

And you're right, cuban coffee is pretty similar.

343 tommysilver  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:12:47pm

re: #187 austin_blue

You, sir, are an idiot. Aerated by what? There *is* no air downhole, except for produced natural gas. The natural gas immediately phase-changes to gas hydrates on contact with seawater , which killed the "Big Box", if you may recall. This release is driven exclusively by downhole pressure which, based on mud weight at the depth of the well was 13,000 psi. The whole idea of the "Top Kill" is specious. No way they can overcome the flow from the open formation that is is uncontrolled from the top. The only hope to kill the blowout are the relief wells. BP is delaying all of the "plugging efforts" because they are perfectly aware of this fact.

No need for name calling. No dah there is no *air* down there. But there is gas. And sand. And water (containing *air* by the way). The point being this isn't a simple flow you can measure by counting pixels, it is a mixed flow of crude, gas, sand, water, slush and other shit. Clearly it is more than 5,000 bbd but you can't count pixels to determine how much more. Now way it is 100,000 bbd.

You do understand the top kill will be inside the BOP itself, right? A reason it would not work is because of something like the BOP itself blowing apart or the seals being too damaged. Not the psi. They can overcome the psi using a technology called hydraulics. Perhaps you've heard of it? Agreed the odds aren't great but you suggest they don't even try?

344 tommysilver  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:33:43pm

re: #228 Cato the Elder

And I'm downdinging him in my head for spelling it "kindergardners".

Why?

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

Context matters dammit!

345 [deleted]  Fri, May 21, 2010 11:52:18pm
346 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 22, 2010 2:33:21am

What is it about sleepers and weirdos trying to attach themselves to the ends of dead threads

347 Nimed  Sat, May 22, 2010 2:37:51am

re: #346 WindUpBird

I don't know. But it's stronger than us.

348 BlackFedora  Sat, May 22, 2010 4:20:47am

Sovereign citizens are a special kind of crazy.

They get a hold of a law dictionary and they go to town.


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