West Memphis Shooter: ‘If I Have to Kill One, Then I’m Not Gonna Be Able to Stop’

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Here’s some more information on the far right “sovereign citizen” wingnut who murdered two police officers in West Memphis before being shot to death (along with his son). Included is a video clip in which Jerry Kane says:

I don’t want to have to kill anybody. But if they keep messin’ with me, that’s what it’s gonna have to come out. That’s what it’s gonna come down to, is I’m gonna have to kill, and if I have to kill one, then I’m not gonna be able to stop.

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(Hat tip: KT.)

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99 comments
1 Four More Tears  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:23:49am

Homocide is like eating Lay's?

2 abolitionist  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:24:09am

He was able to stop, of course, but not on his own, sadly.

3 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:27:04am

But...he was "cleancut"!

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:27:41am

re: #3 Cato the Elder

But...he was "cleancut"!

If he's the guy in the photo, he seems to be wearing a scruffy beard.

5 MandyManners  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:27:55am

Father-of-the-Year FAIL.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:28:04am

Oh, God, what a stupid, stupid sad thing to happen.

7 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:28:08am

A preacher of hate and death.

I don't really know what to say. I hope that those who are fomenting the crazy, those who are advocating violence, those who are being so damn irresponsible in spreading lies that cause people to fear and hate, I hope they somehow wake themselves out of their nihilistic stupor.

But if they haven't by now, why would they?

8 webevintage  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:28:12am

re: #3 Cato the Elder

But...he was "cleancut"!

and kind.
He went around the country helping people with their mortgages....
/

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:29:02am

I hope the Feds are bugging the calls of the kooks in that story.

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:30:10am

re: #5 MandyManners

Father-of-the-Year FAIL.

There are men and women living in real war zones, under real oppressive conditions, who would gladly give their lives for their children to grow up free in the United States, or anywhere safe. This man had that, and he threw it, threw his child's life, away on paranoid fantasies.

11 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:30:23am

And I add, I feel for the policemen killed. And their families.

12 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:31:00am

Sounds like his little BFF may need a spell in a FEMA camp.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:31:46am

re: #7 Obdicut

A preacher of hate and death.

I don't really know what to say. I hope that those who are fomenting the crazy, those who are advocating violence, those who are being so damn irresponsible in spreading lies that cause people to fear and hate, I hope they somehow wake themselves out of their nihilistic stupor.

But if they haven't by now, why would they?

I don't think this will turn the bulk of the hard-core crazies aside from their path, but I hope that a few individuals will see this and make changes in their lives. It could save them, and a few others.

14 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:32:38am

re: #11 Cannadian Club Akbar

And I add, I feel for the policemen killed. And their families.

How are the wounded cops doing? I can't find an update.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:32:49am

re: #11 Cannadian Club Akbar

And I add, I feel for the policemen killed. And their families.

This is every cop's nightmare. The traffic pull-over that turns into a deadly shoot-out.

16 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:34:06am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

And it could save their children. That really is the most insane and assholish thing about this story. That poor kid never had a chance at life. Raised with hate, travelling all over so no time to put down roots or get another adult in his life.

17 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:34:58am

Publicity for these nutjobs is like eating Lays'. They can't read just one.
At least the taxpayers aren't left holding the bill for their room and board while they run the gamut of appeals.
God bless the families of the police officers who died.

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:35:51am

re: #14 Obdicut

How are the wounded cops doing? I can't find an update.

I just did a quick search. I found a link with footage. It was a You Tube vid. The song associated with it was Drowning Pool's "Bodies". Fucking idiots.

19 Mark Pennington  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:36:44am

I've been out of town and missed the Rand Paul meltdown and this as well.
Have the right wing sites declared this guy was a registered democrat yet?

20 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:38:08am

re: #19 beekiller

They had declared them illegal immigrants at first, since during the manhunt for them a couple of illegals were spotted hiding in a forest and the police scanner said that one suspect was white, the other one was white or Hispanic. So obviously that meant it was illegal aliens.

21 Interesting Times  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:38:19am

re: #7 Obdicut

I don't really know what to say. I hope that those who are fomenting the crazy, those who are advocating violence, those who are being so damn irresponsible in spreading lies that cause people to fear and hate, I hope they somehow wake themselves out of their nihilistic stupor.

Not until it stops getting them profits and high ratings :(

22 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:38:45am

These guys basically declare themselves to be above the law, then drive around the country hoping some unsuspecting cop will pull them over for a minor traffic infraction so they can shoot an officer to prove it.

23 Gus  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:39:31am

re: #12 Cato the Elder

Sounds like his little BFF may need a spell in a FEMA camp.

Are you talking about William Ionescu? Did a quick search. That would be William Ligiu Ionescu. You can see his crazed website here, cached:

Upper and Lowercase

Found this by way of We The People Radio Network.

24 bratwurst  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:39:33am

re: #19 beekiller

I've been out of town and missed the Rand Paul meltdown and this as well.
Have the right wing sites declared this guy was a registered democrat yet?

Not as far as I know, but I fully expect Fox News to display an "accidental" (D) after his name any time now.

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:39:45am

re: #18 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just did a quick search. I found a link with footage. It was a You Tube vid. The song associated with it was Drowning Pool's "Bodies". Fucking idiots.

I may have to take that back. The footage was of the police approaching the vehicle. Not sure where the poster was coming from. This sucks. Bad.

26 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:39:48am

re: #14 Obdicut
Both are at the Regional Med in Memphis, TN, which is a level one trauma center and probably the best place in the US to be when you're shot.
Busby is still listed as serious, Wren is critical.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:40:43am

re: #19 beekiller

I've been out of town and missed the Rand Paul meltdown and this as well.
Have the right wing sites declared this guy was a registered democrat yet?

Dunno. If he was, I'm sure they'll point it out. Hot Air's top story is trashing Obama's speech at West Point.

28 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:40:49am

re: #24 bratwurst
Why?

29 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:40:50am

re: #20 Obdicut

They had declared them illegal immigrants at first, since during the manhunt for them a couple of illegals were spotted hiding in a forest and the police scanner said that one suspect was white, the other one was white or Hispanic. So obviously that meant it was illegal aliens.

The right wing blogs were quick to run with the illegal alien meme.
Fortunately sanity prevailed at LGF and we had only a minimal amount of that BS.

30 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:41:36am

re: #22 Cato the Elder

These White Supremacist, Soverign Citizen assholes are very similar to the worst of the worst black gangbangers, the ones that they think are so beneath them. And these assholes, who obviously had some money, some education, and weren't growing up in a ghetto somewhere, have far less excuse for their lifestyle and actions.

31 bratwurst  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:42:15am

re: #28 tradewind

Why?

Oh...I don't know.

Image: FoxOReilly_MarkFoleyDEM_100306.jpg

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:42:50am

re: #26 tradewind

Both are at the Regional Med in Memphis, TN, which is a level one trauma center and probably the best place in the US to be when you're shot.
Busby is still listed as serious, Wren is critical.

Their families must be out of their minds.

33 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:43:14am

re: #26 tradewind

Thank you.

34 Randall Gross  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:43:30am

The last "sovereign citizen" type to perpetrate terrorist murder was Scott Roeder.

35 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:43:32am

re: #23 Gus 802

Are you talking about William Ionescu? Did a quick search. That would be William Ligiu Ionescu. You can see his crazed website here, cached:

Upper and Lowercase

Found this by way of We The People Radio Network.

Damn.

On look at the HTML is enough to tell you they're off their meds.

But the internet is a funny, funny thing. I'm pretty sure Bill and everybody on that whackaloon radio site are all getting virtual FBI colonoscopies as we speak.

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:43:50am

I hate that the policemen were killed. The Dbags, not so much.

38 Randall Gross  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:44:09am

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul's Official 'DailyPaul' Website Still Links to (Dead) Cop Killer Jerry R. Kane's Mortgage/Scam Site

that would make a good update...

39 Mark Pennington  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:44:30am

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno. If he was, I'm sure they'll point it out. Hot Air's top story is trashing Obama's speech at West Point.

Thanks for the updates, Lizards. I am not ruining this beautiful day by clicking the Hot Air site!

40 lostlakehiker  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:44:36am

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

This is every cop's nightmare. The traffic pull-over that turns into a deadly shoot-out.

When it comes to the second pull-over, after you already know who you're dealing with and what they've already done, the cops shouldn't have to give the guy a fair chance in the fight that will ensue. They should have combat vehicles with heavy firepower. When Mr I Can't Stop opens fire again, it should be for him an exercise in futility, and the return fire should pack enough punch that it goes right through any body armor he may be wearing.

And if no such vehicle is available and public safety requires that Mr. Shooter cannot simply be tailed or contained until that kind of firepower and protection can be brought in, then just kill him. Police sniper, UAV cannon, whatever. He had his chance to surrender already. Our police officers are not pawns, not PT boats, not expendable.

41 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:44:55am

re: #30 Obdicut

These White Supremacist, Soverign Citizen assholes are very similar to the worst of the worst black gangbangers, the ones that they think are so beneath them. And these assholes, who obviously had some money, some education, and weren't growing up in a ghetto somewhere, have far less excuse for their lifestyle and actions.

If you're implying that there is any excuse for the criminal "lifestyle" whatsoever, I must disagree.

42 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:45:25am

re: #29 Reginald Perrin
The local news carried the first report that the suspects were reportedly ' hispanic'. It didn't originate in the right wing-o-sphere.
It's a good thing for that community that they were not, btw..... there is a large migrant farm working population from Mexico in Arkansas.
West Memphis is also a major big-rig hub where trailers are often found hauling drugs and other illegal cargo up from the border to the NE, so it wouldn't have been surprising had it been a drug bust gone bad.

43 zora  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:45:28am

re: #23 Gus 802

talk about a word salad.

44 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:46:46am

re: #41 Cato the Elder
Sometimes a whackjob is just a whackjob.

45 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:47:06am

re: #41 Cato the Elder

Some people have to become criminals in order to survive. These guys didn't.

You're right that 'excuse' is the wrong word. But it is very easy to become a criminal in a lot of the ghetto environments, and very hard not to. When an older kid tells you to take a screw of crack over to another dude's house and says he'll kill you if you don't but you'll get $10 if you do, it's different than if you decide "You know what would be a great job? Crack dealer!"

46 Gus  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:48:18am

re: #35 Cato the Elder

Damn.

On look at the HTML is enough to tell you they're off their meds.

But the internet is a funny, funny thing. I'm pretty sure Bill and everybody on that whackaloon radio site are all getting virtual FBI colonoscopies as we speak.

I'm sure he already has an extensive record. Here's something I found from the City of Costa Mesa City Council Agenda (PDF).

Claim from William Ligiu Ionescu (alleges he was falsely arrested and imprisoned and drugged by Costa Mesa Police Department, sustaining physical and mental injuries).

47 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:48:51am

re: #40 lostlakehiker
No argument here. But the cops already have to thread an unbelievable needle of protocol in order to keep from being arrested themselves.
Thanks, ACLU./

48 Gus  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:50:58am

re: #47 tradewind

No argument here. But the cops already have to thread an unbelievable needle of protocol in order to keep from being arrested themselves.
Thanks, ACLU./

The ACLU? When was the last time you saw a cop arrested?

49 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:51:22am

re: #47 tradewind

No argument here. But the cops already have to thread an unbelievable needle of protocol in order to keep from being arrested themselves.
Thanks, ACLU./

Meanwhile, in reality...

50 bratwurst  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:51:23am

re: #31 bratwurst

Oh...I don't know.

Image: FoxOReilly_MarkFoleyDEM_100306.jpg

Another "accident":

Image: fnc-20090624-sanford.jpg

I mean it...look for Rand Paul to get the (D) from FNC any day now.

51 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:51:24am

re: #45 Obdicut
No, no one has to become a criminal to survive.
They're depraved on account of they're deprived [sic]?
Not even Officer Krupke fell for that one.

52 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:52:40am

re: #47 tradewind

Really? Do you think we should encourage them to "treat traffic offenders like a King"? You are naive if you don't get it that police wield enormous power over civilians. And that power, both legal and physical must be carefully constrained. There has to be a balance between being effective and being overbearing. Back in the day, it was enough of an issue to fill up half the bill of rights, remember?

53 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:53:03am

re: #23 Gus 802

Are you talking about William Ionescu? Did a quick search. That would be William Ligiu Ionescu. You can see his crazed website here, cached:

Upper and Lowercase

Found this by way of We The People Radio Network.

Random sample quote:

"Bad Friday, guy died, for Christ's sake, good Sunday, something about controlling death -- a silly error of people long dead that we endure, so curable with one paragraph only? Woodstapled carpenters are good to whom? Carpenter-haters? Mark Twain wrote of Tom Sawyer's faked death and Tom's watching the reactions of people at a memorial service; so can you imagine that you died, and that you can see the reaction of neighbors at your death, insisting "good" was your pulped "it" form stapled firmly to your favorite hobby (1 Corinthians 2:8, crazy people insisted Jesus dead = good, crazy people continue insisting Jesus dead = good), at "It is finished."

Snap Catonian internet diagnosis: severe schizophrenia.

Prescription: careful observation.

Prognosis: suicide by cop.

54 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:55:41am

re: #52 daddylawbucks
To put it mildly, the pendulum has swung back.
When the rights of the few begin to jeopardize the very lives of the many, that's a problem.

55 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:56:55am

re: #51 tradewind

Yes, some people actually do face the threat of death as a coercion as children. I wish it weren't so, but it is. Not to mention what it's like for the girls. A different threat there.

Life is fucking stark as hell for a lot of these kids. We shouldn't whitewash it.

This did, however, make me remember this awesome album:

Life of a Kid in the Ghetto

56 webevintage  Sat, May 22, 2010 11:57:52am

WTH is the matter with people?
This fuck Kane and then the gal in Yuma City (at least she did not get a chance to shoot the police) had the right to be stupid and hate the gov't, but the Constitution does not give you the right to shoot the police or raise your weapon to them.

(have the right wing blogs started talking about how the tree of liberty has been watered this week?)

57 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:00:10pm

re: #50 bratwurst
Yeah, and CNN's never done it.
Networks screw up the crawl and the blurbs all the time.
I really doubt that any network is going out of its way to mislabel politicians.

58 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:01:18pm

re: #54 tradewind

I respectfully disagree.

In the tragedy we are talking about, you have a couple murderers attack police officers for no reason, other than to commit murder. One would hope that is a very rare occurance. And there is no "political" side to this, these guys were simply murderers, they have no justification of any kind. Believing their paranoid BS is no shred of an excuse.

In the normal situation, either you carefully control the conduct of the police, or you have real problems. Look at what went on in Rampart division of the LAPD a couple years ago. The LAPD by the way, is generally considered a high quality professional organization.

59 DaddyLawBucks  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:01:41pm

I gotta run, lets talk more later on

60 Obdicut  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:01:49pm

re: #55 Obdicut

And this one is very apropos

Be a Father to Your Child

Youtube Video

Ed O.G. wasn't talking to asshole white supremacists, of course, so he didn't address "don't teach your child to be a cop-killing moron."

61 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:02:09pm

re: #57 tradewind

Yeah, and CNN's never done it.
Networks screw up the crawl and the blurbs all the time.
I really doubt that any network is going out of its way to mislabel politicians.

Right.

Just like Fox "accidentally" used images from completely different events to make some of their house-primed tea parties look like the masses actually showed up.

Fox = sly, rhymes with "lie".

62 McSpiff  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:03:04pm

re: #57 tradewind

Yeah, and CNN's never done it.
Networks screw up the crawl and the blurbs all the time.
I really doubt that any network is going out of its way to mislabel politicians.

And Glenn Beck is just over there asking questions, amirite?

63 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:07:43pm

re: #58 daddylawbucks
Sorry, I don't understand your argument, but I don't think it's in sync with mine.
It is not an issue of police brutality, no one argues with the wrongness of that. But the police, at least in my city, are often deterred from protecting the community as well as they could by threats of litigation from the criminals they should be taking off the streets .

64 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:08:30pm

Anybody who believes Fox is in any way not a calculated propaganda effort completely under the control of Murdoch Central is a fool.

65 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:08:37pm

re: #62 McSpiff
I don't watch his show, so I don't know if youamrite or wrong.

66 McSpiff  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:08:59pm

re: #63 tradewind

Sorry, I don't understand your argument, but I don't think it's in sync with mine.
It is not an issue of police brutality, no one argues with the wrongness of that. But the police, at least in my city, are often deterred from protecting the community as well as they could by threats of litigation from the criminals they should be taking off the streets .

Care to cite examples?

67 Gus  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:09:30pm

re: #63 tradewind

Sorry, I don't understand your argument, but I don't think it's in sync with mine.
It is not an issue of police brutality, no one argues with the wrongness of that. But the police, at least in my city, are often deterred from protecting the community as well as they could by threats of litigation from the criminals they should be taking off the streets .

You've been watching too many Dirty Harry movies.

68 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:09:30pm

re: #63 tradewind

Sorry, I don't understand your argument, but I don't think it's in sync with mine.
It is not an issue of police brutality, no one argues with the wrongness of that. But the police, at least in my city, are often deterred from protecting the community as well as they could by threats of litigation from the criminals they should be taking off the streets .

The police are not there to protect you.

The are there to clean up messes after they occur.

Self-protection is up to the individual.

69 bratwurst  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:10:04pm

re: #57 tradewind

Yeah, and CNN's never done it.
Networks screw up the crawl and the blurbs all the time.
I really doubt that any network is going out of its way to mislabel politicians.

I gave you two examples. I eagerly await examples of other networks mislabeling disgraced politicians. Like I said, look for a (D) after Rand Paul's name on FNC any day now.

70 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:10:13pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder
And interestingly, it doesn't rhyme with ' faux ', which the left keeps tripping over.

71 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:10:55pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder
How curious, since their motto here is ' To Protect and Serve '.
Maybe they should rethink.

72 pingjockey  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:11:30pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

However, if you do protect yourself, standby for a shit load of litigation, especially if the perp lives.

73 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:12:35pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Father-of-the-Year FAIL.

Absolutely.

Also I returned to a dead thread and left a response to one of your comments here.

74 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:13:23pm

re: #72 pingjockey

However, if you do protect yourself, standby for a shit load of litigation, especially if the perp lives.

re: #70 tradewind

And interestingly, it doesn't rhyme with ' faux ', which the left keeps tripping over.

I don't believe anyone thinks it rhymes. Some puns are visual.

75 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:13:47pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

Self-protection is up to the individual.


A message missed by officers of the DC police department as they escorted SEIU protesters to the homes of private citizens to stage a protest ( and terrify a child in his home).

76 Aceofwhat?  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:14:19pm

re: #72 pingjockey

However, if you do protect yourself, standby for a shit load of litigation, especially if the perp lives.

not in FL...castle laws strike back...

77 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:15:16pm

re: #73 reine.de.tout
Wise answer, and having been there, I agree. No boy ever was put at a disadvantage by being one of the oldest and most mature in the class, but the opposite is sadly true.
He'll be soooo glad she did it.

78 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:15:28pm

re: #72 pingjockey

However, if you do protect yourself, standby for a shit load of litigation, especially if the perp lives.

If, God forfend, I ever have to defend myself with deadly force, it's two shots to the chest, one to the head.

This is only for people breaking into my house - I don't want to be accused of walking around looking for trouble. If someone wants trouble from me, they can get it by breaking into my house.

79 pingjockey  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:15:34pm

re: #76 Aceofwhat?
I hope WA state gets those. Right now, IIRC, the perp better be dead in your house and not just wounded on the lawn.

80 pingjockey  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:16:24pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder
Yep. Somebody is in my house, unasked, they're toast.

81 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:16:32pm

re: #75 tradewind

A message missed by officers of the DC police department as they escorted SEIU protesters to the homes of private citizens to stage a protest ( and terrify a child in his home).

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I suspect it's bullshit. So much of what you say is merely that.

82 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:17:34pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder
Some are. That one, not so much.
I'm pretty sure most of the brainiacs who use it believe that ' faux ' is pronounced ' fawx'.

83 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:18:44pm

re: #81 Cato the Elder
News story, a while back. Great use of tax money. You can find it, if you want, it's not bullshiite.

84 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:19:36pm

re: #82 tradewind

Some are. That one, not so much.
I'm pretty sure most of the brainiacs who use it believe that ' faux ' is pronounced ' fawx'.

Then how do you explain "fauxtrage" and "fauxtography"?

I think Faux News is a visual pun. But I'm smarter than the average brainiac.

85 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:20:48pm

re: #83 tradewind

News story, a while back. Great use of tax money. You can find it, if you want, it's not bullshiite.

I'm pretty sure the onus is on you for a link.

Anyway, the police are always being misused. How about SWAT teams bursting into houses and killing the family dogs over a goddamn marijuana bust?

86 austin_blue  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:22:13pm

OT:

Gooo000ooo000al Inter!!

87 Gus  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:22:29pm

re: #81 Cato the Elder

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I suspect it's bullshit. So much of what you say is merely that.

I can sum it up for you. The "reason" these West Memphis police officers were killed? "It's the liberals fault."

/

88 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:22:53pm

re: #81 Cato the Elder

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I suspect it's bullshit. So much of what you say is merely that.

Give her a break, she was right when she claimed that the West Memphis cop killers were hispanic.
///

89 swamprat  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:34:02pm

re: #75 tradewind

A message missed by officers of the DC police department as they escorted SEIU protesters to the homes of private citizens to stage a protest ( and terrify a child in his home).

This event? You still need the "cops" part.
Also, a source other than FOX would be good.

90 zora  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:37:57pm

re: #89 swamprat

per my local news, one banker tried to blend in with the crowd in front of his home. he was outed by his neighbor and then fled into the home. protesters were ordered to stay off private property and they did.

91 swamprat  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:39:53pm

re: #90 zora

Some sort of "riot cops" escorted the busses according to one article, but I can't find an unspun version of this.

92 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:40:37pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder
....Because there's just not enough crime in the District to keep 'em occupied.
[Link: www.educationnews.org...]

93 tradewind  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:41:24pm

re: #91 swamprat
Yeah ' some sort '. The Metro DC police department.
Solidarity with their brother union, is all. Nothing unusual.

94 pingjockey  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:43:54pm

Fox News, Sarah Palin, Halliburton, Karl Rove.
Fox News, Sarah Palin, Halliburton, Karl Rove.
Fox News, Sarah Palin Halliburton, Karl Rove.

Any heads exploding yet?
Mwahahaha!

95 zora  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:45:28pm

re: #91 swamprat

i think it makes perfect sense for them to be escorted by the police. the gatherings were obviously legal and the cops kept the peace and there were no injuries reported.

96 webevintage  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:51:18pm

re: #75 tradewind

A message missed by officers of the DC police department as they escorted SEIU protesters to the homes of private citizens to stage a protest ( and terrify a child in his home).

Well, not really a "child" but still (and I'm all for pointing the bastards out and embarrassing them) I don't like this protesting outside someone's home.
Not only for the sake of the family BUT also because of the neighbors who have a right to not be annoyed in their homes.
Of course the police are there to make sure rules are followed and noone steps over the line.

(well I at least think it is a right and should probably be in the Constitution, then maybe I could stop my neighbor from blowing leaves at 8 am and have him see someone for his obviously debilitating leaf obsession.)

97 swamprat  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:56:31pm

re: #93 tradewind

Yeah ' some sort '. The Metro DC police department.
Solidarity with their brother union, is all. Nothing unusual.

You don't think that maybe the riot cops were there to keep SEIU under control, rather than to give tacit permission for them to run amok?

Or maybe the riot police were there to "protect" the five hundred so-called protesters from a bank executive and his urban family?

I'm glad the cops were there. Your greater point; that this sucks and is an abuse of power and is an intimidation play taken from the early(read 1930's) reds playbook, is well taken. Thanks for bringing this up. There are those here who think that right-wing excesses are the only excesses.

Other point. I have found no unbiased, unspun versions of this story. The media sucks. And I don't mean just Fox.

98 swamprat  Sat, May 22, 2010 12:57:37pm

re: #95 zora

That's my read. But this was heavy-handed in anyones' lexicon.

99 swamprat  Sat, May 22, 2010 1:15:29pm

I'm out.

SEIU later!


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