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Remember, my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.
— Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sat, May 22, 2010 10:47:26pm |
I am seriously wondering this:
IN the case of the bP oil rig disaster, I think a case of gross criminal negligence at the hands of management which caused the deaths of 11 people and untold billions of dollars in damage, could easily be made.
Why not put some oil execs in federal prison for manslaughter?
I am certain that if those cretins realized that they are not masters of the universe and that the law gets them too, it would make safety standards go way up.
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Irenicum Sat, May 22, 2010 10:52:28pm |
re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote
Ecocide. That's the word I'm thinking will be operative moving forward.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 10:56:22pm |
GOP wins House seat in Obama's home district
HONOLULU (AP) -- Republicans scored a midterm election victory Saturday when Honolulu City Councilman Charles Djou won a Democratic-held House seat in Hawaii in the district where President Barack Obama grew up - the latest triumph for the GOP as it looks to take back control of Congress.Djou's victory was a blow to Obama and other Democrats who could not rally around a candidate and find away to win a congressional race that should have been a cakewalk. The seat had been held by a Democrat for nearly 20 years and is located where Obama was born and spent most of his childhood.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 11:03:40pm |
James Carville & Tingles are not happy with Obama over the oil spill.
Democratic strategist James Carville and MSNBC anchor Chris Matthews, two reliable supporters of President Barack Obama, have issued withering critiques of the administration's handling of the Gulf oil spill.
Carville, the famously outspoken Louisianian who was a chief political aide to Bill and Hillary Clinton, told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday that the administration's response to the spill has been "lackadaisical" and that Obama was "naive" to trust BP to manage the massive clean-up effort.
"I think they actually believe that BP has some kind of a good motivation here," he said. "They're naive! BP is trying to save money, save everything they can... They won't tell us anything, and oddly enough, the government seems to be going along with it! Somebody has got to, like shake them and say, 'These people don't wish you well! They're going to take you down!'"
Carville also accused the White House of going along with what he called the "let BP handle it" strategy.
[snip]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sat, May 22, 2010 11:04:38pm |
re: #5 NJDhockeyfan
James Carville & Tingles are not happy with Obama over the oil spill.
This is a good point.
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Political Atheist Sat, May 22, 2010 11:09:45pm |
For some reason the line reminds me of the classic from Buckaroo Bonzai.
"No matter where you go... there you are".
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 11:10:34pm |
re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote
This is a good point.
Damn right it is. The lack of leadership coming out of the WH in response to this horrible disaster is unbelievable.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sat, May 22, 2010 11:11:58pm |
re: #8 NJDhockeyfan
Damn right it is. The lack of leadership coming out of the WH in response to this horrible disaster is unbelievable.
Yes it is. As I have said many times, I am not a Dem and I am not Obama's biggest fan. I consider him the much lesser of evils. That is not a ringing endorsement.
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laZardo Sat, May 22, 2010 11:17:57pm |
Texas: Steers and Queers. [hell, find me something that rhymes with that...]
/Drill Sergeant Guy FTW.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 11:19:09pm |
re: #9 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes it is. As I have said many times, I am not a Dem and I am not Obama's biggest fan. I consider him the much lesser of evils. That is not a ringing endorsement.
I don't think Obama is evil. I think he's way over his head as President. He has zero leadership skills and a lack of understanding basic economics. He needs to stop blaming others for the current crisis' and tell us what he going to do to fix the problems.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 11:24:00pm |
Whiskey!
Tango!
Foxtrot!
US lifts sanctions on Russian firms
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Friday removed sanctions against three Russian organizations the US had previously accused of assisting Iran's effort to develop nuclear weapons.
Penalties against a fourth Russian entity previously accused of illicit arms sales to Syria were also lifted.
The timing of the decisions, published in Friday's Federal Register but not otherwise announced by the State Department, suggested the possibility of a link to US efforts to win Russian support for a new UN Security Council resolution expanding sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.
The State Department on Friday did not immediately respond to questions about lifting the sanctions.
Two of the entities — Dmitri Mendeleyev University of Chemical Technology and the Moscow Aviation Institute — had been sanctioned in January 1999 under a 1994 executive order authorizing such action. The order was aimed at organizations determined to have contributed to a foreign country's development or production of weapons of mass destruction or missiles capable of launching such weapons.
When the administration of former US president Bill Clinton announced those sanctions, then-Energy Secretary Bill Richardson said the two institutions "directly support Iranian efforts to develop nuclear weapons."
Is he out of his freaking mind?
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simoom Sat, May 22, 2010 11:24:40pm |
re: #11 NJDhockeyfan
He needs to stop blaming others for the current crisis' and tell us what he going to do to fix the problems.
The US govt doesn't have the equipment to go around BP and attempt their own solutions at those depths. BP is holding all the cards.
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freetoken Sat, May 22, 2010 11:24:52pm |
re: #8 NJDhockeyfan
Damn right it is. The lack of leadership coming out of the WH in response to this horrible disaster is unbelievable.
Oh? And if you were President, what would you have done instead?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, May 22, 2010 11:25:01pm |
re: #11 NJDhockeyfan
I don't think Obama is evil. I think he's way over his head as President. He has zero leadership skills and a lack of understanding basic economics. He needs to stop blaming others for the current crisis' and tell us what he going to do to fix the problems.
Not the lesser of two evils, just the better of the two major candidates offered. But he is still a politician, I don't explect terribly much from them, other than that they do not actively lead the nation to ruin.
He has his strengths (which we take for granted) and his weaknesses (which we all pounce on when they start to show).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, May 22, 2010 11:25:34pm |
re: #10 laZardo
Texas: Steers and
Queers.[hell, find me something that rhymes with that...]/Drill Sergeant Guy FTW.
R Lee Ermey! That's the drill sergeant guy :D
"If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human, fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit. Because I am hard you will not like me. But the more you hate me the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on [avalanche of racial slurs] Here you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps. Do you maggots understand that?"
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Bagua Sat, May 22, 2010 11:28:51pm |
re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote
I am seriously wondering this:
IN the case of the bP oil rig disaster, I think a case of gross criminal negligence at the hands of management which caused the deaths of 11 people and untold billions of dollars in damage, could easily be made.
Why not put some oil execs in federal prison for manslaughter?
I am certain that if those cretins realized that they are not masters of the universe and that the law gets them too, it would make safety standards go way up.
I believe I suggested criminal negligence a while back. This could definitely go in that direction if some of the rumours turn out to be true.
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Nimed Sat, May 22, 2010 11:29:45pm |
re: #11 NJDhockeyfan
I don't think Obama is evil. I think he's way over his head as President. He has zero leadership skills and a lack of understanding basic economics. He needs to stop blaming others for the current crisis' and tell us what he going to do to fix the problems.
The "lack of leadership skills" is the kind of vague accusation that leads to a dead end discussion. But I have never seen the bolded criticism properly substantiated. Care to elaborate a bit, NJD?
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Bagua Sat, May 22, 2010 11:32:34pm |
re: #5 NJDhockeyfan
James Carville & Tingles are not happy with Obama over the oil spill.
I think they are both clueless hacks pandering to populist sentiment. It is ridiculous to point the finger at Obama at this point. There is a tremendous effort underway to manage the disaster, by the people that do this sort of work.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 11:33:02pm |
Intellicast has an oil spill map.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, May 22, 2010 11:34:23pm |
re: #14 freetoken
Oh? And if you were President, what would you have done instead?
UP DING
Blaming Obama for not being able to see the future is pretty silly. The lack of regulation and oversight over BP, and over oil drilling in general, is not a thing Obama can change with a wave of a wand. He can't magically reverse the culture of allowing oil companies in America to do whatever they want, whenever they want, on a dime. Obama can't use his x-ray vision to fly into the Gulf, peer into equipment, predict terrible management and maintenance of oil platforms. We had a guy in the White House for eight years who was very much on the side of oil companies, lest we forget. And something tells me he wasn't exactly a giant boot on the throat of big oil. Regulation fucking matters. GOVERNMENT is what regulates these guys. They don't regulate themselves.
Carville is one of those guys who loves the game, who's like a sports commentator for politics. Like Matthews is. He's an armchair quarterback, and a Clinton fan to boot. His gal lost in the primary. This is the game. The game is you secondguess everything the president does, you make hay, you yak on talk shows. He's the most powerful man on earth, he gets all the shit.
I guarantee you if Hillary was in the White House, same BP disaster, everything being equal, Carville would be as silent as deep space.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, May 22, 2010 11:34:44pm |
re: #18 Nimed
The "lack of leadership skills" is the kind of vague accusation that leads to a dead end discussion. But I have never seen the bolded criticism properly substantiated. Care to elaborate a bit, NJD?
He's repeating what Carville said.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, May 22, 2010 11:35:02pm |
re: #19 Bagua
I think they are both clueless hacks pandering to populist sentiment. It is ridiculous to point the finger at Obama at this point. There is a tremendous effort underway to manage the disaster, by the people that do this sort of work.
Upding!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, May 22, 2010 11:36:40pm |
re: #11 NJDhockeyfan
I don't think Obama is evil. I think he's way over his head as President. He has zero leadership skills and a lack of understanding basic economics. He needs to stop blaming others for the current crisis' and tell us what he going to do to fix the problems.
Mister Barack Zero Leadership Hussein Skills Obama did the impossible and passed health care reform.
With zero leadership skills!
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 11:38:58pm |
re: #18 Nimed
The "lack of leadership skills" is the kind of vague accusation that leads to a dead end discussion. But I have never seen the bolded criticism properly substantiated. Care to elaborate a bit, NJD?
Raising taxes in a recession, tripling the deficit in one year (by a trillion bucks), it's no secret we are broke yet he keep spending like a drunken sailor (apologies to drunken sailor everywhere), he hasn't done anything to spur job growth which is what will fuel an economic comeback, and I think we haven't seen anything yet.
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laZardo Sat, May 22, 2010 11:39:32pm |
re: #24 WindUpBird
Mister Barack Zero Leadership Hussein Skills Obama did the impossible and passed health care reform.
With zero leadership skills!
But we didn't get universal health care! BUSH'S THIRD TERM!
/ q;
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 11:44:40pm |
Obama campaigning against Bush--again
President Barack Obama is trying to ride the wave of anti-incumbency by taking on an unpopular politician steeped in the partisan ways of Washington.
It doesn’t matter that George W. Bush left office 16 months ago.
The White House’s mid-term election strategy is becoming clear – pit the Democrats of 2010 against the Republicans circa 2006, 2008 and 2009, including Bush.
It’s a lot to ask an angry, finicky electorate to sort out. And even if Obama can rightfully make the case that the economy took a turn for the worse under Bush's watch, he's already made it - in 2008 and repeatedly in 2009.
It’s not clear that voters still want to hear it.
“If you’re the leader of a large corporation and you’re in power for a year and a half and you start off a meeting with your shareholders by blaming your predecessor, that wouldn’t go over very well,” said Merle Black, a political science professor at Emory University. “This is a very weak approach. ... And I can’t imagine it having an impact on these very swing voters.”
Some Democrats would like Obama to shift his argument.
“The president needs to indict not simply Bush or even Republicans. He is a visionary thinker, and his rhetoric should reflect that,” said Democratic strategist Paul Begala. “I want President Obama to make a consistent, compelling indictment of conservative ideas.”
It's Bush's Fault™ is wearing very thin with most Americans.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, May 22, 2010 11:47:49pm |
re: #24 WindUpBird
Mister Barack Zero Leadership Hussein Skills Obama did the impossible and passed health care reform.
With zero leadership skills!
Wait till the bill comes due on that behemoth bill.
The CBO has already revamped their figures and it's going to cost money instead of save money which was sold to us. They are still crunching numbers and predict more costs. All this happening in a bad recession.
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laZardo Sat, May 22, 2010 11:49:52pm |
re: #27 NJDhockeyfan
Obama campaigning against Bush--again
It's Bush's Fault™ is wearing very thin with most Americans.
I'd still pick Obama over the Tea Party GOP.
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Nimed Sat, May 22, 2010 11:50:24pm |
re: #25 NJDhockeyfan
Raising taxes in a recession, tripling the deficit in one year (by a trillion bucks), it's no secret we are broke yet he keep spending like a drunken sailor (apologies to drunken sailor everywhere), he hasn't done anything to spur job growth which is what will fuel an economic comeback, and I think we haven't seen anything yet.
- Which taxes did he raise that go into effect during the recession you're talking about?
- about the deficit, he followed the recommendations of his economic team, which has pretty impressive credentials. You may not agree with the New Keynesian Economics, but to argue that they "lack of understanding basic economics" is not just false - it's ridiculous.
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freetoken Sat, May 22, 2010 11:56:52pm |
re: #28 NJDhockeyfan
How's your oil spill policy different than President Obama's?
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 12:01:13am |
re: #28 NJDhockeyfan
Wait till the bill comes due on that behemoth bill.
The CBO has already revamped their figures and it's going to cost money instead of save money which was sold to us. They are still crunching numbers and predict more costs. All this happening in a bad recession.
That's also not true. The CBO revised expenses up, but the bill is still projected to save money in the medium to long run.
By the way, the bad recession didn't turn into a depression, which was what everybody feared in late 2008. And the Republican alternative to the stimulus plan would also make our fiscal situation worse. The difference is that they would have a bigger tax cut component (the stimulus package cut taxes too, you know?).
Apart from economists from the Austrian school, nobody recommended a deficit neutral way to deal with what was at the time a looming depression.
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freetoken Sun, May 23, 2010 12:01:28am |
I'm working on a LGF Pages entry on a certain recent GOP "winner" ... a cringe-worthy wacko if there ever was one.
However, I'm finding it a bit overwhelming (the guy has decades of bread crumbs on the net) as there are so many things about which to write. What strikes me most though is how well he has bamboozled so many people. It's amazing what persistence of telling lies over decades can accomplish.
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 12:02:53am |
re: #30 Nimed
- Which taxes did he raise that go into effect during the recession you're talking about?
- about the deficit, he followed the recommendations of his economic team, which has pretty impressive credentials. You may not agree with the New Keynesian Economics, but to argue that they "lack of understanding basic economics" is not just false - it's ridiculous.
PIMF - Too much to correct.
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swamprat Sun, May 23, 2010 12:13:30am |
We can argue about Obama until the sun goes nova. But we don't know Jacques Merde till it happens. So far, I haven't seen anything to brag about, but the sky hasn't fallen yet, either. If this shit works (and I don't understand how it could, but I confuse easily)...where was I? Oh yeah.... If this shit works, we will be looking at a new phrase in the world of finance; OBAMANOMICS.
Good luck Mr. President. I hope you don't need it.
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Tats66 Sun, May 23, 2010 12:16:16am |
Not that its fair or unfair, but if this was Bush, those that lean left would be saying the same thing decrying his handling of the situation, even if his efforts mirrored the big O. (just my opinion)
I havnt really checked, so I ask, were all of the "evil corporations" regulated properly, but only lapsed during Bush's term in office? If so, then "bad Bush!", if not........( and yes I think Bush ALSO, could have done more than he did to clamp down)
I'm not blaming Obama at all, but I'm not seeing anything different from him that I think we woulda seen under Bush. (Although I am disappointed that the world dosnt love us, fists are still clenched, and the clouds dont taste like cotton candy).
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 12:25:38am |
re: #36 Tats66
I'm not blaming Obama at all, but I'm not seeing anything different from him that I think we woulda seen under Bush. (Although I am disappointed that the world dosnt love us, fists are still clenched, and the clouds dont taste like cotton candy).
Actually, the world does love us a bit more.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8626041.stm
Whether this translates into something concrete or not is another matter. I think it may, but it's hard to say one way or another.
Not that its fair or unfair, but if this was Bush, those that lean left would be saying the same thing decrying his handling of the situation, even if his efforts mirrored the big O. (just my opinion)
It's quite possible. But the best way to reduce partisan bias is to make criticisms of policy as concrete as possible.
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ryannon Sun, May 23, 2010 12:35:00am |
The rat which scurried past at the WH press conference was a very bad omen. Yep, I believe in them. Synchonicity. Ooga Booga.
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ryannon Sun, May 23, 2010 12:38:28am |
And now, my sign-off music
Always a pleasure (at least for me) to hear.
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Bagua Sun, May 23, 2010 12:40:42am |
BP oil leak:
Yep, BP, they seem to be getting all the limelight, with a sideways glance at MMS and Interior Secretary Salazar. Together, they approved what has proven to be a faulty drilling plan. It is highly likely that similar plans have been approved on other of the 3,359 active platforms in the central area. I expect this will get a lot of attention as the details are confirmed.
But those two, BP and the government regulator were surely not the only management teams to sign off on the defective plan, BP was a 65% owner and the other drilling partners, Anadarko (NYSE:APC) 25% stake and Japan's Mitsui(NASDAQ:MITSY) 10% stake must have been complicit, signing off on the drilling plan.
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Ojoe Sun, May 23, 2010 12:41:59am |
Remember, my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.
"What man has done, man can do."
— an old watch repairman said this to me as he prepared to fix my pocket watch.
It was years ago.
Good night all
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Bagua Sun, May 23, 2010 12:42:56am |
re: #41 Ojoe
"What man has done, man can do."
— an old watch repairman said this to me as he prepared to fix my pocket watch.
It was years ago.
Good night all
Goodnight my Wig loyalist friend.
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Tats66 Sun, May 23, 2010 12:43:00am |
re: #37 Nimed
I was being a bit facetious of course, but I am less concerned with our popularity than I am with national security (and I can see how one may very well affect the other, I'm just not seeing a reduction in the danger of being an American although to listen to the hype, just electing Obama was the cure.
My criticisms are mainly from a layman's perspective, so no, I can't say "what I would do if I were president", but as an ex army infantryman (para), I definitely have views on nat'l security, as a former Police officer/Sergeant (in a Texas border city nonetheless) I have my views on immigration/law enforcement, and now as a flight/trauma RN, I have my views on healthcare...lol....my "concrete"may not be concrete at all, but I have various perspectives that maybe alot don't.
My main bitch during Bush's term was that the left seemed to "hate him more than they loved their country", IE almost seeming to relish failure in Iraq, etc......I will NEVER fall into that rut although, yes I admit, I do not like Obama at all, but if his success means the country's success, than so be it.
Guess I was just ranting on the double standard so far ( and yes it runs on both sides of the isle. I hate extreme OR far ANYTHING, left or right.
Sorry for babbling, but I guess my point, finally, was what I said about the handling of the BP spill and all the comments made about it, but almost not seeing the feeding frenzy on the president that we might have seen for the same action taken by the former president. For the record, I hope Obama "just fixes it"...
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 1:00:41am |
re: #43 Tats66
I was being a bit facetious of course, but I am less concerned with our popularity than I am with national security (and I can see how one may very well affect the other, I'm just not seeing a reduction in the danger of being an American although to listen to the hype, just electing Obama was the cure.
My criticisms are mainly from a layman's perspective, so no, I can't say "what I would do if I were president", but as an ex army infantryman (para), I definitely have views on nat'l security, as a former Police officer/Sergeant (in a Texas border city nonetheless) I have my views on immigration/law enforcement, and now as a flight/trauma RN, I have my views on healthcare...lol...my "concrete"may not be concrete at all, but I have various perspectives that maybe alot don't.
My main bitch during Bush's term was that the left seemed to "hate him more than they loved their country", IE almost seeming to relish failure in Iraq, etc...I will NEVER fall into that rut although, yes I admit, I do not like Obama at all, but if his success means the country's success, than so be it.
Guess I was just ranting on the double standard so far ( and yes it runs on both sides of the isle. I hate extreme OR far ANYTHING, left or right.
Sorry for babbling, but I guess my point, finally, was what I said about the handling of the BP spill and all the comments made about it, but almost not seeing the feeding frenzy on the president that we might have seen for the same action taken by the former president. For the record, I hope Obama "just fixes it"...
Fair enough. It's cool that you have professional experience in 3 of the presently hottest topics in American politics.
You know, I was taking another look at the BBC poll I linked. The most favorably viewed nations in the world are WW2 losers - Germany and Japan. What's up with that?
Maybe it's the cars.
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letrole Sun, May 23, 2010 1:54:37am |
Perhaps the simplest thing to do with the oil spill is just to let whoever is able to fix it have it. If BP can't contain the spill, somebody else needs to be able to assume the mineral rights and have a go.
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Bagua Sun, May 23, 2010 2:16:51am |
re: #46 letrole
Perhaps the simplest thing to do with the oil spill is just to let whoever is able to fix it have it. If BP can't contain the spill, somebody else needs to be able to assume the mineral rights and have a go.
The problem isn't that BP can't contain the spill, the problem is that no one can. BP has two rigs drilling relief wells, the best chance to kill the well. There is an armada of skimmers and support vessels involved in the clean up. State of the art robots and a drill ship with support vessels are on site trying to invent a fix.
Who do you suggest is better prepared?
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Tats66 Sun, May 23, 2010 2:44:48am |
re: #45 Nimed
Lol...gotta be the cars.......and maybe Blu-ray?
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 2:50:31am |
Ok, DO NOT click this link if you're impressionable. Seriously.
From HuffPo, of course:
HORROR: Famed Spanish Bullfighter GORED Through The Throat
Pain pain pain pain pain...
If a picture is worth a thousand words and all that, perhaps now the Spanish will consider ending bullfights.
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ryannon Sun, May 23, 2010 2:53:40am |
re: #49 Nimed
Ok, DO NOT click this link if you're impressionable. Seriously.
From HuffPo, of course:
HORROR: Famed Spanish Bullfighter GORED Through The ThroatPain pain pain pain pain...
If a picture is worth a thousand words and all that, perhaps now the Spanish will consider ending bullfights.
Fat chance.
Olé!
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 3:05:17am |
re: #4 NJDhockeyfan
GOP wins House seat in Obama's home district
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 3:08:59am |
re: #50 ryannon
Fat chance.
Olé!
The bullfighter lived.
HuffPo commenters can be pretty callous. One comment: "Do I make you horny, baby?".
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Stonemason Sun, May 23, 2010 3:13:02am |
re: #52 Nimed
HuffPo commenters can be pretty callous.
I think that should either be nominated as the biggest understatment of 2010, or, rotating title.
Huffpo, where threads must be closed whenever a right wing individual is hospitalized or in any other way medically challanged.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 3:14:20am |
re: #27 NJDhockeyfan
Obama campaigning against Bush--again
It's Bush's Fault™ is wearing very thin with most Americans.
There's nothing new here. Presidents always blame their failed predecessors. See Reagan with Carter, or Clinton with Bush Sr.
I know Republicans don't like to hear Bush criticized. But unemployment was 4% five years ago; and when Bush left office it was 8%. The stock market crash began when Bush was president, and the housing bubble occurred on his watch. Should we just ignore all this recent history?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 23, 2010 3:45:36am |
When the economy boomed under Clinton, Republicans told us he was just reaping the benefits of the reforms instituted under Reagan...
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 4:00:07am |
re: #55 ralphieboy
When the economy boomed under Clinton, Republicans told us he was just reaping the benefits of the reforms instituted under Reagan...
Of course that's what they said. It was a lot easier for them than admitting that Clinton did something right.
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Taqyia2Me Sun, May 23, 2010 4:08:12am |
re: #54 palomino
The housing bubble was 30 years in the making.
W's administration tried repeatedly to rein in Fannie/Freddie, only to be thwarted by the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.
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freetoken Sun, May 23, 2010 4:41:44am |
Put up a rather lengthy Pages entry on the GOP's latest star (in Oregon), Art Robinson:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
It's amazing how much stuff can be wrapped up in a single candidate.
I'm not sure how the GOP can top this one.
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letrole Sun, May 23, 2010 4:48:14am |
re: #47 Bagua
The problem isn't that BP can't contain the spill, the problem is that no one can. BP has two rigs drilling relief wells, the best chance to kill the well. There is an armada of skimmers and support vessels involved in the clean up. State of the art robots and a drill ship with support vessels are on site trying to invent a fix.
Who do you suggest is better prepared?
I'm suggesting nobody. All I'm saying is that only BP has a financial stake, so it's down to BP trying to cap the well. Anyone else who could succeed, such as the Chinese, isn't going to do it unless there's a real incentive.
Forget about the environment. All the spilled oil has value and it's going to waste.
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johndri Sun, May 23, 2010 4:58:50am |
It doesn't matter what the government does now--the situation in the Gulf of Mexico is hopeless. The ocean, as I have known it my whole life as a Mobile, Alabama native, will be lost to several generations. The only way the government could have been of any use would have been to regulate the drilling before the incident happened. They didn't, and here we are.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 5:02:50am |
re: #10 laZardo
Texas: Steers and
Queers.[hell, find me something that rhymes with that...]/Drill Sergeant Guy FTW.
"Cowboys fans." Doesn't rhyme, but works for me. :)
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sun, May 23, 2010 5:05:11am |
Good Morning to Charles' Private Reptilian Legion!
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sun, May 23, 2010 5:06:32am |
re: #61 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Cowboys fans." Doesn't rhyme, but works for me. :)
How are those Redskins looking this year? Another rebuilding year ahead?
//
Careful how you talk about "America's Team"!
//
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freetoken Sun, May 23, 2010 5:08:00am |
re: #59 letrole
Forget about the environment. All the spilled oil has value and it's going to waste.
So, how many miles are you away from spill? 100? 1000? 5000?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 5:08:39am |
re: #64 rwdflynavy
How are those Redskins looking this year? Another rebuilding year ahead?
//Careful how you talk about "America's Team"!
//
I guess we'll find out in the fall.
We still need to get a beer some time. I still have your email and I'll be in touch. My band is playing in Alexandria this Friday and Saturday.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 5:09:18am |
Once again, Pearls gets it right:
[Link: comics.com...]
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sun, May 23, 2010 5:12:07am |
re: #66 Mad Al-Jaffee
I guess we'll find out in the fall.
We still need to get a beer some time. I still have your email and I'll be in touch. My band is playing in Alexandria this Friday and Saturday.
Damn! I'll be in Jax visiting my family. I leave DC on the 5th of June to move them up. If you are free during the week to grab a beer give me a yell. As of right now my weekday evenings are always free. That will change when my family gets up here!
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sun, May 23, 2010 5:13:16am |
re: #67 Mad Al-Jaffee
Once again, Pearls gets it right:
[Link: comics.com...]
Do you guys have a website? Facebook friending etc? I'd really like to get to one of your shows. Once my wife gets up to DC it would make a great date night.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 5:15:33am |
re: #68 rwdflynavy
Weekday evenings are usually free for me too. I'll be in touch.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 5:16:57am |
re: #69 rwdflynavy
Do you guys have a website? Facebook friending etc? I'd really like to get to one of your shows. Once my wife gets up to DC it would make a great date night.
www.bigdaddystallings.com
The only other DC area gig we have booked right now is at a festival in Falls Church, June 4. I also play in an acoustic duo once a month in Bethesda.
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sun, May 23, 2010 5:21:33am |
re: #71 Mad Al-Jaffee
www.bigdaddystallings.com
The only other DC area gig we have booked right now is at a festival in Falls Church, June 4. I also play in an acoustic duo once a month in Bethesda.
Awesome! Thanks!
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 23, 2010 5:30:38am |
The black flies and mosquitoes are sure out in full force this morning. I had to wear my full body armour bug jacket.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 5:33:53am |
re: #75 Spare O'Lake
The mosquitoes are just starting to come around here. No spray needed for my party yesterday, but I'll need some when I have people over this summer.
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Semper Fi Sun, May 23, 2010 5:36:25am |
Happy sunday morning everyone. Just finished an award winning breakfast and now for some coffee with the Lizard Nation.
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Semper Fi Sun, May 23, 2010 5:38:38am |
re: #75 Spare O'Lake
The black flies and mosquitoes are sure out in full force this morning. I had to wear my full body armour bug jacket.
Hi Spare, wondering where you are. Last time I encountered those pesky black flies was Lake Huron I think.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 23, 2010 5:46:24am |
re: #76 Mad Al-Jaffee
The mosquitoes are just starting to come around here. No spray needed for my party yesterday, but I'll need some when I have people over this summer.
The skitters up here are worst in the early morning and before sunset. During the middle of the day they're not bad if it's sunny with a good stiff breeze. The black flies only last a couple of weeks where I am, but boy are they vicious tiny buggers - unlike the skitters (who just stick and suck), they literally eat little holes in you and you don't even know they've done it until you touch the spot and get a blood smear on your hand.
Ain't nature grand?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 23, 2010 5:49:02am |
re: #78 Semper Fi
Hi Spare, wondering where you are. Last time I encountered those pesky black flies was Lake Huron I think.
Muskoka, which is east of Georgian Bay. The farther north you go, the worse they get.
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letrole Sun, May 23, 2010 5:57:45am |
letrole:
Forget about the environment. All the spilled oil has value and it's going to waste.
freetoken:
So, how many miles are you away from spill? 100? 1000? 5000?
You get the picture now. The spill affects the US Gulf Coast. Not the Mediterranean Sea. Not the North Sea. Not the Sea of Japan. Not the Persian Gulf. Nobody else has a vital interest in cleaning the local environment. On the contrary, the interests of other parties, such as the Arabs, are actually served better if the spill is used as a lever to retard or even halt drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Semper Fi Sun, May 23, 2010 5:58:49am |
Ah, must be the same or a near relative. Years ago sailed Lake Huron & Georgian Bay one summer. The lake was loaded with them while the bay was relatively free of the black flies. We used Perry Sound for provisioning. Nice town.
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ryannon Sun, May 23, 2010 5:59:19am |
re: #80 Spare O'Lake
Muskoka, which is east of Georgian Bay. The farther north you go, the worse they get.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 23, 2010 6:10:34am |
"They Never Cease to Amaze" Alert:
Muslim fundamentalists torch UN summer camp in Gaza
By JPOST.COM STAFF
23/05/2010 13:41
Masked gunmen from an Islamic militant group torched a UN-run summer camp in Gaza on Sunday, Reuters reported.
Two days before the incident, the previously unknown "The Free of the Homeland" militia reportedly issued a statement criticizing the camp's organizer, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), for "teaching schoolgirls fitness, dancing and immorality."
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
What a bunch of scum.
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Semper Fi Sun, May 23, 2010 6:15:28am |
re: #46 letrole
Perhaps the simplest thing to do with the oil spill is just to let whoever is able to fix it have it. If BP can't contain the spill, somebody else needs to be able to assume the mineral rights and have a go.
Letrole, you're new here. Welcome to LGF. I trust you'll find the lizard experience very rewarding.
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Bubblehead II Sun, May 23, 2010 6:17:28am |
Morning Lizards. This isn't good.
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Bubblehead II Sun, May 23, 2010 6:20:01am |
re: #85 Spare O'Lake
"Gaza's Hamas rulers have set up rival camps. Some Hamas leaders have also railed against U.N. camps."
Can't have competing ideas now can we.
// Like it's not OK to blow people you don't know up.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 23, 2010 6:23:51am |
re: #87 Bubblehead II
Morning Lizards. This isn't good.
Sounds bad, but we've only heard one side of the story. I'm gonna reserve judgment.
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Bubblehead II Sun, May 23, 2010 6:30:02am |
re: #89 Spare O'Lake
Same here. This caught my eye.
“The man and I had an exchange of words,” Yishai told the Post last week. “I couldn’t exactly understand what he said, but it was something along the lines of, ‘you’re going the wrong way.’”
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oklahoma Sun, May 23, 2010 6:51:03am |
Shouldn't the President of the United States see if the US Navy has some deep sea devices that could actually stop the oil spill instead of simply talking about keeping his boot on the throat of the company? Seriously, BP messed up. We got that. Now how about all hands on deck to clean this up? Did they not know the oil was coming ashore.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 6:58:37am |
re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar
BP has underwater robots.
Morning CCA...
The Navy Spent a Billion Dollars to refit the SSN683 years ago...The perfect boat to operate in the depth and launching UWV's..
Soon as the Cold war was over...It sailed for the last time and was decommissioned.. what a waste of money..We spent over 3 years working on it at MINSY in DD#3
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 7:00:33am |
The Little green football prayer list
On this day in 1934, notorious criminals Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow are shot to death by Texas and Louisiana state police while driving a stolen car near Sailes, Louisiana.
We pray today for the Southern Coast of America and for all those whose lives are affected by the oil spill. We pray for the environment that is being damaged.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I'd appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Dear Lord..We pray for SFZ this morning:
Her friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
Lizard prayers for Beau Biden.
We pray for all our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom.. Comfort the families Dear Lord this morning…
Give strength to all our Armed Forces serving at home or abroad …America thanks you.
God Bless President Obama and his family…
God Bless Israel.. Continue to bless her with prosperity and strength…The land of Milk and Honey…
Thank you Lord..
Amen
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Jetpilot1101 Sun, May 23, 2010 7:01:57am |
re: #93 oklahoma
BP made about 14 Billion in profit last year. They are shelling out roughly 6 million a day to clean up this mess. At that rate, it would take them 6.3 years to burn through all of last years profits. They can foot the bill and if the Navy had anything that could help them, I think they would be all over it since they can afford it and have a financial incentive to stop this ASAP. Every government agency is logging exactly how much time and money they are spending and BP will be paying up. I think BP is trying hard but the conditions that they are dealing with are pretty tough.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:09:53am |
re: #93 oklahoma
Shouldn't the President of the United States see if the US Navy has some deep sea devices that could actually stop the oil spill instead of simply talking about keeping his boot on the throat of the company? Seriously, BP messed up. We got that. Now how about all hands on deck to clean this up? Did they not know the oil was coming ashore.
Rand? That you?
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 7:12:24am |
So, this morning on Facebook, the proud mother of a rising high-school senior tells the world that her lovely daughter went to the prom last night and still hasn't come home - at 9 A.M.!
Which means the grrrl is out getting laid.
I'm actually fine with that, and I guess I'm glad the mom is too, but since when do people post and boast about it?
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albusteve Sun, May 23, 2010 7:14:50am |
In the recent war of words regarding Arizona’s newly passed law requiring state and local law enforcement to apprehend those suspected of entering this country illegally, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called the Arizona Law “unpatriotic and unconstitutional.” Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called the Arizona law “unpatriotic and unconstitutional.”
And without fail, many in Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco are apoplectic.
Yet, many in the Golden State are unfamiliar with their own state law in regards to California law enforcement and illegal immigrants (CA Penal Code 834b). Specifically, California law isn’t all that different from Arizona’s;
interesting
[Link: bsimmons.wordpress.com...]
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sun, May 23, 2010 7:17:44am |
re: #100 albusteve
In the recent war of words regarding Arizona’s newly passed law requiring state and local law enforcement to apprehend those suspected of entering this country illegally, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called the Arizona Law “unpatriotic and unconstitutional.” Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called the Arizona law “unpatriotic and unconstitutional.”
And without fail, many in Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco are apoplectic.
Yet, many in the Golden State are unfamiliar with their own state law in regards to California law enforcement and illegal immigrants (CA Penal Code 834b). Specifically, California law isn’t all that different from Arizona’s;interesting
[Link: bsimmons.wordpress.com...]
but, but, B0YC0TT ARIZONA 1CE TEE!!11!!!
//
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:17:48am |
re: #99 Cato the Elder
So, this morning on Facebook, the proud mother of a rising high-school senior tells the world that her lovely daughter went to the prom last night and still hasn't come home - at 9 A.M.!
Which means the grrrl is out getting laid.
I'm actually fine with that, and I guess I'm glad the mom is too, but since when do people post and boast about it?
You're on Facebook?! Is that even allowed for a guy your age?!
/
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 7:18:02am |
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 7:18:33am |
re: #93 oklahoma
Shouldn't the President of the United States see if the US Navy has some deep sea devices that could actually stop the oil spill instead of simply talking about keeping his boot on the throat of the company? Seriously, BP messed up. We got that. Now how about all hands on deck to clean this up? Did they not know the oil was coming ashore.
I would imagine that if the Navy were at all equipped to deal with this kind of thing, someone somewhere might have thought of that already.
Or do you really think they have some sooper-seekrit stuff that's being withheld?
I nominate this for the dumbest post of the morning.
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sun, May 23, 2010 7:18:43am |
re: #102 Mad Al-Jaffee
You're on Facebook?! Is that even allowed for a guy your age?!
/
He was on facebook when you had to carve your status in a stone tablet!!
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 7:20:05am |
re: #100 albusteve
Tags on that article.....
Tags: Mexican border, Democrat Mccain, ARIZONA, Obama regime, Illegal Immigration, Barack Obama Traitor, Arizona Immigration Law, Obama moves closer to Islam, Barack Obama anti American, Obamunism, Obama Muslim.
Sounds like a dishonest lunatic. I'm guessing the article isn't true.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 7:21:42am |
re: #106 Killgore Trout
Tags on that article...
Sounds like a dishonest lunatic. I'm guessing the article isn't true.
Those aren't tags...Those are wing nut talking points!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:22:14am |
re: #105 rwdflynavy
He was on facebook when you had to carve your status in a stone tablet!!
Status: Red Sea is parting and Joos are running into it! Dood looks like the Apes movie guy! WTF? LOL!
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sun, May 23, 2010 7:22:41am |
re: #106 Killgore Trout
Tags on that article...
Sounds like a dishonest lunatic. I'm guessing the article isn't true.
Maryland law is similar to Arizona's. Wouldn't surprise me to find most states are similar. But hyperventilating about Arizona's law makes for a fun diversion.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:23:21am |
re: #104 Cato the Elder
I would imagine that if the Navy were at all equipped to deal with this kind of thing, someone somewhere might have thought of that already.
Or do you really think they have some sooper-seekrit stuff that's being withheld?
I nominate this for the dumbest post of the morning.
It's Rand Paul. He wouldn't go on Meet the Press this morning so decided to troll LGF. (I tivo'd.... so far, it's very good.)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 7:24:50am |
We (the Murikans) have a list of m'fers we want to assassinate.
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Obdicut Sun, May 23, 2010 7:25:16am |
re: #65 freetoken
So, how many miles are you away from spill? 100? 1000? 5000?
The name is letrole.
Le trole.
Le troll.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 7:25:24am |
re: #57 Taqyia2Me
The housing bubble was 30 years in the making.
W's administration tried repeatedly to rein in Fannie/Freddie, only to be thwarted by the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.
True, but there were other warning signs--crazy derivatives trading--that were ignored. Point is, you can't really understand the genesis of the collapse of 2008 if you're going to say President Bush, or anyone else, is immune to criticism.
| 115 |
Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 7:25:27am |
re: #111 marjoriemoon
It's Rand Paul. He wouldn't go on Meet the Press this morning so decided to troll LGF. (I tivo'd... so far, it's very good.)
Oh, yeah! The "boot on the throat" is a dead giveaway.
Oklahoma, where the winds comes whistling through your brains...!
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:26:07am |
Good morning Lizards. Great night of basketball last evening as my two sons and me attended the game 3 beatdown of the Orlando Magic by the Boston Celtics in Beantown. I think me and the boys set some sort of record for "high fives" and disbelieving stares at each other. The crowd at the Garden was shouting "beat LA" early in the third quarter. I have been to many games over the years (including the game 6 beatdown of LA in 2008 when we won it all), but last night was in my all time top 5.
| 117 |
A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 7:26:19am |
re: #111 marjoriemoon
It's Rand Paul. He wouldn't go on Meet the Press this morning so decided to troll LGF. (I tivo'd... so far, it's very good.)
It's a spirited debate on MTP this morning.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:27:06am |
re: #115 Cato the Elder
Oh, yeah! The "boot on the throat" is a dead giveaway.
Oklahoma, where the winds comes whistling through your brains...!
Say what you want about OK, but it's where my father's from and there are some good people there. There's actually a Jewish commity where he grew up.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 7:28:34am |
re: #116 _RememberTonyC
Good morning Lizards. Great night of basketball last evening as my two sons and me attended the game 3 beatdown of the Orlando Magic by the Boston Celtics in Beantown. I think me and the boys set some sort of record for "high fives" and disbelieving stares at each other. The crowd at the Garden was shouting "beat LA" early in the third quarter. I have been to many games over the years (including the game 6 beatdown of LA in 2008 when we won it all), but last night was in my all time top 5.
WOW! I am so jealous! I heard about the Chants BEAT LA this morning..
Great game! I win be the Happiest man alive if we beat LA...
GO CELTICS!
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Obdicut Sun, May 23, 2010 7:28:48am |
re: #96 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops, can you sadly add someone:
My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 7:29:17am |
re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee
Say what you want about OK, but it's where my father's from and there are some good people there. There's actually a Jewish commity where he grew up.
I was talking about the lowercase poster of that name.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:29:22am |
re: #115 Cato the Elder
Oh, yeah! The "boot on the throat" is a dead giveaway.
Oklahoma, where the winds comes whistling through your brains...!
lol Did you watch MTP? Anyone? So far they haven't mentioned Paul's pro-life beliefs which is pissing me off.
My husband says Rand is for a limited government that you can fit in your bedroom.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 7:29:24am |
re: #116 _RememberTonyC
I thought last night was embarrassing. I love the Celts, but geebus! the Magic were ridiculously awful!
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:29:48am |
re: #120 HoosierHoops
WOW! I am so jealous! I heard about the Chants BEAT LA this morning..
Great game! I win be the Happiest man alive if we beat LA...
GO CELTICS!
And you had a good day at the track, watching some fast women?
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albusteve Sun, May 23, 2010 7:29:57am |
re: #118 Obdicut
What are the differences, Steve?
AZ requires detention, CA requires arrest before pursuing legal status
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:30:15am |
re: #117 HoosierHoops
It's a spirited debate on MTP this morning.
It is! I'm getting hoarse though lol
I usually watch This Week Without Stephanopolous next.
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Obdicut Sun, May 23, 2010 7:30:34am |
re: #126 albusteve
AZ requires detention, CA requires arrest before pursuing legal status
That's a huge fucking difference, Steve.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:31:18am |
re: #124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I thought last night was embarrassing. I love the Celts, but geebus! the Magic were ridiculously awful!
the Celtics made them look like amateurs. orlando could not handle the moment and the crowd was on them from the start! dwight howard .... 7 points and 7 rebs? rashard lewis? put HIS mug on a milk carton because he has disappeared without a trace!
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:31:36am |
re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee
Say what you want about OK, but it's where my father's from and there are some good people there. There's actually a Jewish commity where he grew up.
I know some Jews in Kentucky and Alabama too. Dang, we're everywhere!
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sandbox Sun, May 23, 2010 7:32:08am |
re: #128 Obdicut
I favor the USA continuing to have a border with Mexico.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 7:32:21am |
re: #121 Obdicut
Hey Hoops, can you sadly add someone:
My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Good Morning Obdicut...Hope today finds you well..
I put your friend Pam at the top of the prayer list...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 7:32:34am |
re: #129 _RememberTonyC
When Rondo stole the ball, jumped off the floor and made an easy layup... I was standing there with my mouth agape (more than usual anyway).
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:32:43am |
re: #124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey FBV, I had you on my mind a bit yesterday. Probably because I grilled and ate so much red meat that I was thinking it was time to cut down on that again. If you ever come to one of my parties, I will grill some veggies for you that you'll really like.
| 135 |
What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:33:00am |
I don't want to bring up bad news, but Cato, how's the smoke free thing going?
| 136 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 7:33:04am |
re: #131 sandbox
I favor the USA continuing to have a border with Mexico.
Your wish is granted. Long live Jambi.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 7:33:14am |
Oh, for fuck's sake. Just give me a few sponges and I'll go clean up the Gulf.
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Obdicut Sun, May 23, 2010 7:33:17am |
re: #130 marjoriemoon
My maternal grandmother's side of the family were Caribbean Crypto-Jews.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:34:10am |
re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
When Rondo stole the ball, jumped off the floor and made an easy layup... I was standing there with my mouth agape (more than usual anyway).
at the time, i told my sons "that is going to be the signature play of this series." Rondo is unstoppable and he will shred LA's defense in the finals. I'll be working games 3,4, and 5 in Boston ..... i cannot WAIT!
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Obdicut Sun, May 23, 2010 7:34:16am |
re: #131 sandbox
I favor the USA continuing to have a border with Mexico.
So do I. I'm also for not hampering law enforcement by making it harder to get information about crimes and not allowing people to sue them if they feel they're not prioritizing illegal immigration highly enough.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:35:32am |
re: #137 MandyManners
Oh, for fuck's sake. Just give me a few sponges and I'll go clean up the Gulf.
There has to be a dirty joke about this - give me a few, minutes.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:35:47am |
re: #138 Obdicut
My maternal grandmother's side of the family were Caribbean Crypto-Jews.
Oh yes, I think I remember you talking about that. Have you dug into the history?
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:36:49am |
re: #141 Mad Al-Jaffee
There has to be a dirty joke about this - give me a few, minutes.
It IS one of the dirtiest jokes around actually :(
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sandbox Sun, May 23, 2010 7:36:51am |
re: #140 Obdicut
We now have two successive Presidents--Bush and Obama-- who don't think enforcing our border with Mexico is part of their job.
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albusteve Sun, May 23, 2010 7:37:02am |
re: #128 Obdicut
That's a huge fucking difference, Steve.
I don't see it as a huge fucking difference...as it is AZ LE will be under enormous scrutiny with regards to detention, the hype is dramatically overblown imo
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:37:16am |
re: #130 marjoriemoon
I know some Jews in Kentucky and Alabama too. Dang, we're everywhere!
Duh! ZOG has us placed all around world!
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Obdicut Sun, May 23, 2010 7:37:42am |
re: #142 marjoriemoon
No. It'd be a hell of a lot of work-- there are barely any records of it. Maybe a retirement project.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:39:27am |
re: #137 MandyManners
Oh, for fuck's sake. Just give me a few sponges and I'll go clean up the Gulf.
That's what she said, after the Rosie O'Donnell orgy!
And there's my joke.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 23, 2010 7:40:09am |
re: #148 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's what she said, after the Rosie O'Donnell orgy!
And there's my joke.
I just threw up in my mouth.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 7:40:18am |
re: #125 _RememberTonyC
And you had a good day at the track, watching some fast women?
It was a great day at the Track.. I have to give Indy it's props.. There are just some of the most smoking hot woman at the track...
The Boys and I kept walking past the Izod girls by Gasoline Alley...My Lawd Boys..Just beautiful girls at the track.
I'm not sure what Izod makes but I'm pretty sure I'm buying it..
/
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 7:41:53am |
re: #148 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's what she said, after the Rosie O'Donnell orgy!
And there's my joke.
I can't find my link of Rosie's face photo-shopped onto KSM's body or I'd post it now.
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Semper Fi Sun, May 23, 2010 7:42:03am |
re: #100 albusteve
In the recent war of words regarding Arizona’s newly passed law requiring state and local law enforcement to apprehend those suspected of entering this country illegally, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called the Arizona Law “unpatriotic and unconstitutional.” Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called the Arizona law “unpatriotic and unconstitutional.”
And without fail, many in Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco are apoplectic.
Yet, many in the Golden State are unfamiliar with their own state law in regards to California law enforcement and illegal immigrants (CA Penal Code 834b). Specifically, California law isn’t all that different from Arizona’s;interesting
[Link: bsimmons.wordpress.com...]
Morning Steve,
Personally, I find this issue confusing. While in LA, probably a couple years ago, watching local tv news, Mayer Villaraigosa was addressing a group of Hispanics who were waving the Mexican flag. The mayer announced to much cheering that, illegal immigration is legal. In just those words I thought. (Didn't use quotes as my ears have sometimes betrayed me.) I have no problem with immigration but those words stick with me. My daughter-in-law is hispanic. Her entire family began as illegals. Last year she became a US citizen. I love her and have great respect for her family. Somehow I think the mayer's words were right on.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:42:05am |
re: #150 HoosierHoops
It was a great day at the Track.. I have to give Indy it's props.. There are just some of the most smoking hot woman at the track...
The Boys and I kept walking past the Izod girls by Gasoline Alley...My Lawd Boys..Just beautiful girls at the track.
I'm not sure what Izod makes but I'm pretty sure I'm buying it..
/
they're starting a thong underwear line ... if you ARE buying, buy it for wifey or GF
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 7:42:17am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 7:42:24am |
re: #150 HoosierHoops
They're owned by that guy who tried to take over Earth, but Superman stopped him.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 7:42:27am |
re: #129 _RememberTonyC
the Celtics made them look like amateurs. orlando could not handle the moment and the crowd was on them from the start! dwight howard ... 7 points and 7 rebs? rashard lewis? put HIS mug on a milk carton because he has disappeared without a trace!
Look at the point play by Rondo...His scramble for the ball was the #1 play on the Top ten on ESPN this morning...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:42:43am |
re: #151 MandyManners
I can't find my link of Rosie's face photo-shopped onto KSM's body or I'd post it now.
You don't need photoshop for that.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 7:43:05am |
Plan 9. Greatest of the worst movies evah!
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:43:12am |
re: #147 Obdicut
No. It'd be a hell of a lot of work-- there are barely any records of it. Maybe a retirement project.
I think we talked about this, but when you get some time, check out jewishgen.org. It's not as difficult now as it used to be.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:43:53am |
re: #156 HoosierHoops
Look at the point play by Rondo...His scramble for the ball was the #1 play on the Top ten on ESPN this morning...
FBV and me were discussing that play .... I absolutely jumped out of my chair on that play ... thought my head was gonna explode!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:44:14am |
Got some things too doo. Laater Liizzards.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 7:44:19am |
re: #157 Mad Al-Jaffee
We also don't need that image anywhere! Gaah!
Mornin' honcos.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 23, 2010 7:44:38am |
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 7:44:39am |
re: #25 NJDhockeyfan
Raising taxes in a recession, tripling the deficit in one year (by a trillion bucks), it's no secret we are broke yet he keep spending like a drunken sailor (apologies to drunken sailor everywhere), he hasn't done anything to spur job growth which is what will fuel an economic comeback, and I think we haven't seen anything yet.
The whole "spending like a drunken sailor" meme, while popular among opportunistic right wing pundits, doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
1) Obama hasn't raised taxes (unless you mean the cigarette tax...are you really gonna grasp at that?) One-third of the stim was tax CUTS.
2) Obama's addition to the deficit is basically just the stim and bailouts. The rest of it--the bulk--comes from recessionary revenue shortfalls, putting the wars on the books, and continuation of programs already in place.
3) It may not work, but the stim was meant to spur job growth. Any other job growth program would ADD to the deficit...is this what you want?
If Obama had made reducing the deficit his top priority, he would have had to raise taxes and/or cut spending. Few economists of any stripe support those tactics in a huge recession.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:44:45am |
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Political Atheist Sun, May 23, 2010 7:45:10am |
re: #144 sandbox
Good Morning. That would be Obama, Bush, Bush, Clinton, Reagan,... No President in my adult lifetime. Maybe none in my life. Oh and every one has been a global free trader resulting in the whole off shore mfg thing.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 7:47:07am |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:47:23am |
OOooo Mike Steele's on This Week Without Stephanapolous, but I missed the beginning.
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William of Orange Sun, May 23, 2010 7:47:29am |
And this time she's Muhammed!
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 7:48:53am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 7:49:17am |
re: #160 _RememberTonyC
FBV and me were discussing that play ... I absolutely jumped out of my chair on that play ... thought my head was gonna explode!
I had a hustle play like that once in High School.. I ran to the sidelines and caught my left wrist on the edge of the Bench...Blood everywhere...The classic moment with the trainers was I looked up and this big fat woman behind the bench fainted...'This can not be good' I was thinking
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 7:49:20am |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 23, 2010 7:49:43am |
re: #130 marjoriemoon
I know some Jews in Kentucky and Alabama too. Dang, we're everywhere!
My son is a Chabad shliach in northern Alabama!
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:49:53am |
Oh they recapped. They said Steele said he was uncomfortable with Paul's views.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 7:50:43am |
re: #170 palomino
Saw that this morning, the dem pols split the other 60%. THe DNC nor the WH came out and supported one over the other, so the vote got split.
Mwahaha.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 7:50:49am |
re: #174 marjoriemoon
Oh they recapped. They said Steele said he was uncomfortable with Paul's views.
Cornyn(sp?) on MTP was pathetic with regards to Paul's views.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 7:52:09am |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:52:34am |
re: #176 Varek Raith
Cornyn(sp?) on MTP was pathetic with regards to Paul's views.
That's where I started getting hoarse lol
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 7:52:54am |
re: #175 pingjockey
Saw that this morning, the dem pols split the other 60%. THe DNC nor the WH came out and supported one over the other, so the vote got split.
Mwahaha.
It was the fault of the Dems in HI. They couldn't get their act together and narrow their field to one candidate. Maybe they'll learn in time for November: in this district with one candidate, they win; with two, they don't.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 7:53:17am |
re: #160 _RememberTonyC
But the Celtics only need to look down the hall for a reminder that they’re not done yet: Just eight days ago in the same building, the Philadelphia Flyers completed their comeback after trailing the Boston Bruins 3-0 in the NHL’s Eastern Conference semifinals.
Can I get an amen.
From this story....[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:54:08am |
re: #171 HoosierHoops
I had a hustle play like that once in High School.. I ran to the sidelines and caught my left wrist on the edge of the Bench...Blood everywhere...The classic moment with the trainers was I looked up and this big fat woman behind the bench fainted...'This can not be good' I was thinking
good story ... i knew what happens when the fat lady sings, but now I know what happens when the fat lady faints!
gotta run, bro. BBL ...
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 7:54:45am |
re: #176 Varek Raith
Cornyn(sp?) on MTP was pathetic with regards to Paul's views.
In Cornyn's defense, who could possibly be anything other than pathetic when trying to defend Rand Paul's recent trainwreck interviews?
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 7:55:24am |
re: #176 Varek Raith
Cornyn(sp?) on MTP was pathetic with regards to Paul's views.
I liked what Gregory said. Rand didn't want to come on the show because he didn't want to get grilled by the liberal media. Yea, it's the damn media that's ostracizing him. Couldn't possibly be his backward views.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 7:55:38am |
re: #182 palomino
In Cornyn's defense, who could possibly be anything other than pathetic when trying to defend Rand Paul's recent trainwreck interviews?
Good point. I keep forgetting that politicians are a cowardly bunch.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 7:55:42am |
re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can I get an amen.
From this story...[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
In NBA history, teams trailing 0-3 are .... zero and 93 in those series. I'm not worried!
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 7:55:50am |
re: #169 William of Orange
And this time she's Muhammed!
Yep. "It's not bigotry or Islamophobia to draw Mohammed in protest over being told not to draw Mohammed. It's the way the internet works. Suck it up!"
I love her.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 7:56:15am |
re: #179 palomino
Was one waaay left and the other just a dem? Didn't get a breakdown of who the 2 pols were or anything. It cracks me up when either party has something like this happen. They can't get their shit together to get behind just one candidate. Kind of like Pelosi and Reid. Majorities in both houses and they can't pass stuff because of the infighting on the dem side. Trying to herd cats came to mind.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 7:57:47am |
re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nope. The Celtics will take them out tomorrow night.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 7:57:52am |
Wingnuts financial forecast.....
Hot Air: RIP, Euro
Instadouche: Sell Everything, You Won't Recognize America By The End Of The Year
Breitbart: Nations Will Print Money, Go Bust, Go to War…We Are Doomed
Goooold and seeds!
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 7:59:03am |
re: #189 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts financial forecast...
Hot Air: RIP, Euro
Instadouche: Sell Everything, You Won't Recognize America By The End Of The Year
Breitbart: Nations Will Print Money, Go Bust, Go to War…We Are DoomedGooold and seeds!
Should I just go ahead a press the shiny red button of DOOM and end it all right this minute?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 7:59:09am |
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dugmartsch Sun, May 23, 2010 7:59:24am |
So, I don't know if anyone here uses Yahoo!, but I've been using it as my homepage going on a decade and a half now. It's stayed around out of inertia, basically, when everyone else went to google news or just google.com or whatever else.
But recently Yahoo has enabled comments on their news articles and I was actually pretty shocked at the results. It was kind of a wake up call to what kind of a backwoods Yahoo has turned into, especially considering how amazing it seemed back in '95.
Check out the comments to this thread about the Republicans barely winning a seat with two strong democrats and one republican in the race. If there's one Democrat it's an absolute trouncing, but somehow the story gets wedged into the Republican wave narrative that the AP seems to dig so much.
The really shocking thing isn't thatt the comments are being made, it's that the most zenophobic, racist, paranoid comments are updinged to the moon.
Like I said I had no idea yahoo was such a backwater kind of place.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
(equals equals updings minus downdings)
Some Samples:
The only question is:
"Will the same dead voters vote for another non-documented immigrant?"
(+550 updings)
How many places can this Barack Hussein Obama fellow be from? Was he not from Chicago of Illinois most recently? When was he ever in Honolulu of Hawaii as an adult? I am most certainly not clear on Indonesia and Kenya...
(+400 updings)
I didn't know Kenya has a Conressional seat
(+250 updings)
You can trace the rise of crime and violence in America to the beginnings of the Democratic Party’s welfare programs.
(+200 updings)
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 7:59:53am |
re: #189 Killgore Trout
Doom and Gloom.
I'm worried about the Iranians and the bomb.
The S. Koreans and the Norks.
Don't know how the rest of it will play out.
Buy Golden Seeds!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 8:00:52am |
re: #192 dugmartsch
Chill. Millions of people on yahoo...
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 8:01:18am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 8:01:29am |
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:02:10am |
re: #187 pingjockey
Was one waaay left and the other just a dem? Didn't get a breakdown of who the 2 pols were or anything. It cracks me up when either party has something like this happen. They can't get their shit together to get behind just one candidate. Kind of like Pelosi and Reid. Majorities in both houses and they can't pass stuff because of the infighting on the dem side. Trying to herd cats came to mind.
Dems can't enforce party discipline in the House because they've got 40 blue dogs. In the Senate a lot of their troubles are due to filibuster threats from Republicans. Despite all this they passed HCR, financial reform, stimulus, and cap and trade (in the House)--which is way more big legislation than any other recent Congress has passed.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 8:02:15am |
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Political Atheist Sun, May 23, 2010 8:02:23am |
re: #189 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts financial forecast...
Hot Air: RIP, Euro
Instadouche: Sell Everything, You Won't Recognize America By The End Of The Year
Breitbart: Nations Will Print Money, Go Bust, Go to War…We Are DoomedGooold and seeds!
If the Euro crashes, the dollar goes up and gold... crashes. Sure buy into that one?!?! Even paranoid delusions are often internally consistent. Not Wingnut syndromes apparently.
I must admit M-1 worries me though...
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:02:24am |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There ya go. Or you just plant G. Gordon Liddy and see what pops up!
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:02:43am |
re: #192 dugmartsch
That's not really new. They had the same horrifying comments years ago and then they cut off their comments. Sometime this year (end of last year?) they turned them back on and they're still disastrous.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 8:03:46am |
re: #188 pingjockey
Nope. The Celtics will take them out tomorrow night.
Note to Superman...Guess what? The Celts are going to make you also defend the baseline..You don't get to stand in the lane with a finger up your nose..Your team mates are not rotating to the weakside.. HAhaha..
You gotta work for it Howard.. Basketball is a heck of a lot more than pretty dunks...
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:03:52am |
re: #198 palomino
Like I said, it cracked me up. I understand the senate has some very weird and arcane rules, but Pelosis' trouble in the House cracked me up.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:05:04am |
re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw that. His halftime interview was damn entertaining too.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 8:05:29am |
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:05:44am |
re: #192 dugmartsch
Good observation, I've noticed the same thing. AOL was the same way until recently when they totally shut down the comments section, to be revamped and reopened later.
It's like all the sane people moved on and left nothing but wingnuts using the Yahoo comments section.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:06:01am |
re: #192 dugmartsch
Like a moron, I got into an argument with some racist on there awhile back (really not a good idea to do). I don't remember what I said, but I got a warning letter from Yahoo telling me that I violated TOS and if I didn't stop, they would cancel my email account. They never sent me the offending comment, but I suspect it was this argument. F* Yahoo. I only read their now if I have to.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:06:43am |
re: #190 Varek Raith
Should I just go ahead a press the shiny red button of DOOM and end it all right this minute?
Go for it. What could go wrong?
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 8:06:54am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:07:53am |
re: #209 Varek Raith
And yer pop smelled of elderberries!
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 8:08:34am |
re: #212 Killgore Trout
Go for it. What could go wrong?
*Presses button*
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"Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!"
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dugmartsch Sun, May 23, 2010 8:08:57am |
re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Chill. Millions of people on yahoo...
I was just surprised. There being millions of people on yahoo doesn't explain why racists and xenophobes tend to congregate there instead of hot air, though.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:09:07am |
re: #205 pingjockey
Like I said, it cracked me up. I understand the senate has some very weird and arcane rules, but Pelosis' trouble in the House cracked me up.
Do you think another Dem as Speaker could have done better?
I hate to say it, but I'm not sure another Dem could have gotten HCR passed.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:09:26am |
re: #193 pingjockey
Doom and Gloom.
I'm worried about the Iranians and the bomb.
The S. Koreans and the Norks.
Don't know how the rest of it will play out.
Buy Golden Seeds!
There's certainly plenty to worry about but I take comfort in the fact that the wingnuts are so universally wrong about everything these days that global financial collapse probably isn't going to happen. If it does happen it's not going to be caused by what they're bleating about.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 8:09:36am |
re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
[Video]
total cheap shot by matt barnes shoving KG into Stan ..... he can be a real punk sometimes.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 8:09:49am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:10:31am |
re: #217 palomino
I have no idea. Who was Speaker back in the 70s? I can see the guy, can't think of his name.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 23, 2010 8:11:39am |
re: #216 dugmartsch
The number of folks on Hot Air and the number of folks on Yahoo? What, 5,000 to 1? Also, something as big as yahoo... easy to spam links with comments with different names too.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:11:45am |
re: #216 dugmartsch
I was just surprised. There being millions of people on yahoo doesn't explain why racists and xenophobes tend to congregate there instead of hot air, though.
The internet gives the racists the forum they never would have in the real world so it's not uncommon to find them online.
My problem is that Yahoo has never monitored their comments. You said they did back in 95? I don't remember how long I've been reading, but I never saw anything bit vileness over there.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 8:11:51am |
re: #204 HoosierHoops
Note to Superman...Guess what? The Celts are going to make you also defend the baseline..You don't get to stand in the lane with a finger up your nose..Your team mates are not rotating to the weakside.. HAhaha..
You gotta work for it Howard.. Basketball is a heck of a lot more than pretty dunks...
howard needs a mean streak ..... he'll never win anything until he learns to be a badass once in awhile ... other players are not impressed with his muscles. but I'll be he gets more ass than a toilet seat!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 8:11:53am |
re: #219 _RememberTonyC
total cheap shot by matt barnes shoving KG into Stan ... he can be a real punk sometimes.
The only time all night a member of the bench put a body on Garnett...
Maybe Stan should suit up
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 8:11:57am |
re: #215 Varek Raith
*Presses button*
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"Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!"
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:12:05am |
re: #216 dugmartsch
I was just surprised. There being millions of people on yahoo doesn't explain why racists and xenophobes tend to congregate there instead of hot air, though.
And it's the kind of truly vile stuff you'd expect to see at HotAir but not Yahoo--comments on birth certificates, Kenya, Obama as a Muslim/terrorist, etc.
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 8:12:15am |
re: #221 pingjockey
I have no idea. Who was Speaker back in the 70s? I can see the guy, can't think of his name.
Tip O'Neil
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:13:16am |
I'll bet we could damn near have all the dialogue from "Search for the Holy Grail" repeated verbatim on this blog.
My wife is from Wales, and says it takes a very discerning intellect to 'get' Monty Python humor. So all you honcos who 'get' Python give yourselves a pat on the back!
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 23, 2010 8:13:24am |
re: #210 marjoriemoon
Like a moron, I got into an argument with some racist on there awhile back (really not a good idea to do). I don't remember what I said, but I got a warning letter from Yahoo telling me that I violated TOS and if I didn't stop, they would cancel my email account. They never sent me the offending comment, but I suspect it was this argument. F* Yahoo. I only read their now if I have to.
Any random newswire article about Israel will attract swarms of frenzied nazis. Like this one, this one, and this one.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 8:14:03am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:14:29am |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:14:34am |
re: #216 dugmartsch
I was just surprised. There being millions of people on yahoo doesn't explain why racists and xenophobes tend to congregate there instead of hot air, though.
Sorry, I misread you. You have to register at Hot Air to comment no? And they don't open registration.
Take 5 seconds to register with Yahoo.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 8:14:41am |
re: #225 HoosierHoops
The only time all night a member of the bench put a body on Garnett...
Maybe Stan should suit up
LOL ... Stan took the charge, but the refs still blew the whistle the other way.
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jaunte Sun, May 23, 2010 8:15:52am |
re: #189 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts financial forecast...
Hot Air: RIP, Euro
Instadouche: Sell Everything, You Won't Recognize America By The End Of The Year
Breitbart: Nations Will Print Money, Go Bust, Go to War…We Are DoomedGooold and seeds!
And don't forget an LGF cookbook for your self-sufficiency library.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:15:57am |
re: #221 pingjockey
I have no idea. Who was Speaker back in the 70s? I can see the guy, can't think of his name.
Sam Rayburn? Just one problem--he's dead.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:16:04am |
re: #231 Alouette
Any random newswire article about Israel will attract swarms of frenzied nazis. Like this one, this one, and this one.
That's what it was, about Israel.
But it's always about Israel, even when it's not. I remember an article about a Chinese coal mine cave in (was it?) and the nazis there were blaming the Jews.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:17:14am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:17:48am |
re: #237 palomino
Well yes. I was talking about keeping the Speakers side of the aisle in line. Either side. Tip O'neill was the one I was thinking of.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:18:21am |
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Semper Fi Sun, May 23, 2010 8:19:40am |
Happy sunday everyone. Time for a walk on this sunny sunday.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 8:20:00am |
re: #241 palomino
That was another era in politics. Bipartisanship actually existed back in those days.
Now it's just a scorched earth game.
/cynic
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 8:20:03am |
re: #224 _RememberTonyC
howard needs a mean streak ... he'll never win anything until he learns to be a badass once in awhile ... other players are not impressed with his muscles. but I'll be he gets more ass than a toilet seat!
I see it different.. He needs skills...He has been exposed as a one deminisional Player....On offense all you can do is pass it into the lane to him..He has no pick and roll skills...Remember the days of Malone knocking you out at the top of the Key while Stockton ran the high screen? Howard is big.. He looks like Superman..He has awesome dunks...
I think he lacks skills for a big man
/I'm NOT telling that to his face...
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 8:20:52am |
re: #242 sandbox
And I was a Democrat back then.
I was a Commie. Well, in the 80s. I was a child in the 70s.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:21:17am |
re: #242 sandbox
And I was a Democrat back then.
Back in those days, you could actually find members of the other party to make up for defectors in your own ranks. Almost impossible now.
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sandbox Sun, May 23, 2010 8:22:26am |
re: #246 MandyManners
I drifted away in the 90s, although I did vote for Clinton twice.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:23:18am |
re: #245 HoosierHoops
I see it different.. He needs skills...He has been exposed as a one deminisional Player...On offense all you can do is pass it into the lane to him..He has no pick and roll skills...Remember the days of Malone knocking you out at the top of the Key while Stockton ran the high screen? Howard is big.. He looks like Superman..He has awesome dunks...
I think he lacks skills for a big man
/I'm NOT telling that to his face...
Exactly, Howard is a perfectly chiseled athlete who really doesn't have much in the way of specific basketball skills. His FT motion makes Shaq's look like a thing of beauty.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:24:09am |
My plan for the impending apocalypse?
Squash!
I'm not a big fan of eating squash but it's easy to grow it will store in your basement or bomb shelter for 6-8 months with no problem.
I'm going to grow Tromboncino which can be used as summer squash like zucchini. It grows on a trellised vine so it doesn't take up a lot of floorspace like a zucchini plant does.
I'm also going to grow Butternut squash and Gold nugget squash.
That should prevent starvation while I fight off the zombie mob.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 8:24:24am |
re: #248 sandbox
I drifted away in the 90s, although I did vote for Clinton twice.
I didn't. I switched from the CPUSA to the GOP.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:24:46am |
re: #247 palomino
Sometimes I think the folks on Cap. Hill have forgotten who they work for. It seems as if a good bill comes up, the other side is automatically against it, because it came from the other side! I fault both sides for this. They are supposed to be doing what's good for the country, not themselves. We have what Jefferson/Madison/Franklin (?) warned us about, a 'political ruling class'.
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tigger2005 Sun, May 23, 2010 8:26:55am |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
For some reason the line reminds me of the classic from Buckaroo Bonzai.
"No matter where you go... there you are".
Whoops. That was Pig Killer, in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
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dugmartsch Sun, May 23, 2010 8:26:55am |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
My plan for the impending apocalypse?
Squash!
I'm not a big fan of eating squash but it's easy to grow it will store in your basement or bomb shelter for 6-8 months with no problem.
I'm going to grow Tromboncino which can be used as summer squash like zucchini. It grows on a trellised vine so it doesn't take up a lot of floorspace like a zucchini plant does.
I'm also going to grow Butternut squash and Gold nugget squash.That should prevent starvation while I fight off the zombie mob.
Not exactly impervious to perishing but good god squash blossoms are the best thing ever.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:26:58am |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
Heh, mom and dad bought their house in 1970. mom had never had a spot for a garden. she planted 6 hills for zuchini! We had zuchini stacked like cord wood on the back porch!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 8:27:15am |
re: #192 dugmartsch
So, I don't know if anyone here uses Yahoo!, but I've been using it as my homepage going on a decade and a half now. It's stayed around out of inertia, basically, when everyone else went to google news or just google.com or whatever else.
But recently Yahoo has enabled comments on their news articles and I was actually pretty shocked at the results. It was kind of a wake up call to what kind of a backwoods Yahoo has turned into, especially considering how amazing it seemed back in '95.
Check out the comments to this thread about the Republicans barely winning a seat with two strong democrats and one republican in the race. If there's one Democrat it's an absolute trouncing, but somehow the story gets wedged into the Republican wave narrative that the AP seems to dig so much.
The really shocking thing isn't thatt the comments are being made, it's that the most zenophobic, racist, paranoid comments are updinged to the moon.
Like I said I had no idea yahoo was such a backwater kind of place.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
(equals equals updings minus downdings)
Some Samples:
The only question is:
"Will the same dead voters vote for another non-documented immigrant?"
(+550 updings)
How many places can this Barack Hussein Obama fellow be from? Was he not from Chicago of Illinois most recently? When was he ever in Honolulu of Hawaii as an adult? I am most certainly not clear on Indonesia and Kenya...
(+400 updings)
I didn't know Kenya has a Conressional seat
(+250 updings)
You can trace the rise of crime and violence in America to the beginnings of the Democratic Party’s welfare programs.
(+200 updings)
Bad, evil, sick. That sort of stuff is vile. Yahoo needs to clean house.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 8:27:21am |
re: #245 HoosierHoops
I see it different.. He needs skills...He has been exposed as a one deminisional Player...On offense all you can do is pass it into the lane to him..He has no pick and roll skills...Remember the days of Malone knocking you out at the top of the Key while Stockton ran the high screen? Howard is big.. He looks like Superman..He has awesome dunks...
I think he lacks skills for a big man
/I'm NOT telling that to his face...
you're right, although he has improved slightly on the low post. as he showed against ATL, he is able to make some little moves down low, but with ornery guys like perkins and rasheed pushing him 2-3 feet further away from the hoop than he likes, those moves are not effective. he can't shoot facing the hoop at all. and he smiles and laughs a bit too much for my liking. did you ever see KG or perkins smile last night? even when they were up by 25? nope.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:28:07am |
re: #252 pingjockey
Sometimes I think the folks on Cap. Hill have forgotten who they work for. It seems as if a good bill comes up, the other side is automatically against it, because it came from the other side! I fault both sides for this. They are supposed to be doing what's good for the country, not themselves. We have what Jefferson/Madison/Franklin (?) warned us about, a 'political ruling class'.
Indeed. Sestak (PA) said something this morning that I liked. It's not about too much government or too little government, it's about effective government.
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 8:28:28am |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
My plan for the impending apocalypse?
Squash!
I'm not a big fan of eating squash but it's easy to grow it will store in your basement or bomb shelter for 6-8 months with no problem.
I'm going to grow Tromboncino which can be used as summer squash like zucchini. It grows on a trellised vine so it doesn't take up a lot of floorspace like a zucchini plant does.
I'm also going to grow Butternut squash and Gold nugget squash.That should prevent starvation while I fight off the zombie mob.
I'm doing squash plus potatoes, beans and carrots. Cool thing about carrots is that with bit of straw you can store them right in the ground. I figure that after a long day of zombie mob fighting my meals will have a little variety, plus with all the beans and veggies I maybe can work at inventing some sort of zombie mob gas butt bomb thingy to fight them.
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Political Atheist Sun, May 23, 2010 8:28:41am |
re: #253 tigger2005
It's in both movies.
[Link: thinkexist.com...]
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:28:46am |
re: #252 pingjockey
Sometimes I think the folks on Cap. Hill have forgotten who they work for. It seems as if a good bill comes up, the other side is automatically against it, because it came from the other side! I fault both sides for this. They are supposed to be doing what's good for the country, not themselves. We have what Jefferson/Madison/Franklin (?) warned us about, a 'political ruling class'.
Yeah, definitely. I think it may be a function of each party becoming more ideologically rigid. The only way around the automatic opposition is when there's a crisis, like right after 9/11 for a short period.
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tigger2005 Sun, May 23, 2010 8:29:19am |
re: #253 tigger2005
Whoops. That was Pig Killer, in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
Well, checking further, I guess it is said in Buckaroo Banzai also. And by Confucious, and quite a few other people.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:31:16am |
re: #258 marjoriemoon
The better half brought this point up, gov't should be ran like a business. IOW, show a profit or at least a non negative balance. We have folks in congress, who are suddenly experts at everything, actually have no experience in anything.
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jaunte Sun, May 23, 2010 8:31:19am |
re: #192 dugmartsch
The really shocking thing isn't thatt the comments are being made, it's that the most zenophobic, racist, paranoid comments are updinged to the moon.
The apparent general radicalism may be a result of the 'Luap Nor online poll effect' where the most dedicated haters spend the most effort to spread their opinions.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 8:31:33am |
re: #249 palomino
Exactly, Howard is a perfectly chiseled athlete who really doesn't have much in the way of specific basketball skills. His FT motion makes Shaq's look like a thing of beauty.
I have only watched Shaq play once live with the Lakers....I can tell you the exact day I suppose..At Halftime at the Lakers game they announced Dale Sr. had died at Daytona..Surreal halftime..Men and women were crying on their cellphones...The whole building was in Shock...Lakers lost by one point.. The crowd was buzzing about Daytona the 2nd half...I don't anybody even cared who won
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:31:41am |
re: #258 marjoriemoon
Indeed. Sestak (PA) said something this morning that I liked. It's not about too much government or too little government, it's about effective government.
A lot of times the "too much govt." argument is just another way of saying programs I don't like.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:31:43am |
re: #255 pingjockey
Heh, mom and dad bought their house in 1970. mom had never had a spot for a garden. she planted 6 hills for zuchini! We had zuchini stacked like cord wood on the back porch!
Heh. They are amazingly productive plants.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 23, 2010 8:32:30am |
gonna grab a walk ...... later Lizards!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 8:32:31am |
re: #258 marjoriemoon
Indeed. Sestak (PA) said something this morning that I liked. It's not about too much government or too little government, it's about effective government.
He was a naval officer, so he had good exposure to what effective needs to mean. My money (if any frees up) would be for Toomey, but Bark Sestak would be a good Senator. No matter who wins, it will be an improvement on the self-concerned Arlen Spector.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:33:37am |
re: #259 Jadespring
I'm doing squash plus potatoes, beans and carrots. Cool thing about carrots is that with bit of straw you can store them right in the ground. I figure that after a long day of zombie mob fighting my meals will have a little variety, plus with all the beans and veggies I maybe can work at inventing some sort of zombie mob gas butt bomb thingy to fight them.
I'm doing a lot of straw mulching this year. Use straw for growing your potatoes too!
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:33:51am |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
My plan for the impending apocalypse?
Squash!
I'm not a big fan of eating squash but it's easy to grow it will store in your basement or bomb shelter for 6-8 months with no problem.
I'm going to grow Tromboncino which can be used as summer squash like zucchini. It grows on a trellised vine so it doesn't take up a lot of floorspace like a zucchini plant does.
I'm also going to grow Butternut squash and Gold nugget squash.That should prevent starvation while I fight off the zombie mob.
For a collection of Killgore's Gardening Wisdom - click the cookbook blog, and on the right side, scroll down a bit and click "Killgore's Gardening Tips".
Oh, and while you're at it, check out Volume of the LGF Cookbook, and heck - go ahead and check out Volume 1 as well! Both books are bargain priced at less than $17 each!
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:35:05am |
re: #272 reine.de.tout
For a collection of Killgore's Gardening Wisdom - click the cookbook blog, and on the right side, scroll down a bit and click "Killgore's Gardening Tips".
Oh, and while you're at it, check out Volume of the LGF Cookbook, and heck - go ahead and check out Volume 1 as well! Both books are bargain priced at less than $17 each!
What are the sales up to? I think we sold at least one last night.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:35:08am |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
Those and cucumbers. Dad plants butternut squash and then stores them in the unheated garage. We have been eating baked squash into January!
Mom pulled a fast one a couple of years ago. I thought the pie was pumpkin, it was squash. Granted a pumpkin is a squash, but you know what I mean. It was very darn tasty.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:37:01am |
re: #274 pingjockey
I tried cucumbers last year and didn't have any luck with them. I'm not sure what I did wrong but I didn't get a single edible cuke.
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dugmartsch Sun, May 23, 2010 8:37:03am |
"The apparent general radicalism may be a result of the 'Luap Nor online poll effect' where the most dedicated haters spend the most effort to spread their opinions."
I wonder where they think the members of their supposed cult of Barack is at during these very public discussions in very public forums. Do they imagine they've chased them away with their "totally satirical" Voodoo dolls?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 8:37:06am |
re: #264 jaunte
The apparent general radicalism may be a result of the 'Luap Nor online poll effect' where the most dedicated haters spend the most effort to spread their opinions.
Very true. Just look at some of the trolls we've had. They relentlessly spew their "Chuck is a TYRANT!!1" angle, no matter what the issue is. Monomania is an ugly thing.
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tigger2005 Sun, May 23, 2010 8:37:24am |
re: #265 HoosierHoops
I have only watched Shaq play once live with the Lakers...I can tell you the exact day I suppose..At Halftime at the Lakers game they announced Dale Sr. had died at Daytona..Surreal halftime..Men and women were crying on their cellphones...The whole building was in Shock...Lakers lost by one point.. The crowd was buzzing about Daytona the 2nd half...I don't anybody even cared who won
I have a hard time imagining getting that emotional over somebody I don't know personally, no matter how much I might admire him/her as an artist, athlete, leader, or whatever. Maybe I'm just a coldhearted bastard LOL.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:37:55am |
re: #273 Killgore Trout
What are the sales up to? I think we sold at least one last night.
Several sold last night - we're at 37 books sold!
Sure wish we could get to somewhere in the range of 80-100 sold!
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:38:02am |
re: #265 HoosierHoops
I have only watched Shaq play once live with the Lakers...I can tell you the exact day I suppose..At Halftime at the Lakers game they announced Dale Sr. had died at Daytona..Surreal halftime..Men and women were crying on their cellphones...The whole building was in Shock...Lakers lost by one point.. The crowd was buzzing about Daytona the 2nd half...I don't anybody even cared who won
Was this in LA? Doesn't sound like the LA crowds I'm familiar with to be that into NASCAR. Then again, LA is huge and has everything.
Howard has been exposed in this series as one-dimensional and limited. In a way I haven't seen a superstar get exposed in the NBA in quite a while.
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dugmartsch Sun, May 23, 2010 8:38:33am |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
He was a naval officer, so he had good exposure to what effective needs to mean. My money (if any frees up) would be for Toomey, but Bark Sestak would be a good Senator. No matter who wins, it will be an improvement on the self-concerned Arlen Spector.
Yeah that Sestak commercial worked so well because it was just unabashedly true. There was no factual counter.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:38:34am |
re: #263 pingjockey
The better half brought this point up, gov't should be ran like a business. IOW, show a profit or at least a non negative balance. We have folks in congress, who are suddenly experts at everything, actually have no experience in anything.
That's true, but the idea that all Congress critters are useless is being perpetuated by the Tea Party and that's certainly not true. However, it's driving them to elect candidates with zero experience and backward ideas.
Look at this douchebag who's running for governor in Florida, Rick Scott. In his previous career, he bought up hospitals and started downsizing them for profit. He ended up resigning from his corporation after paying $1.7 billion in penalties which made it the largest healthcare fraud settlement in history and most of those hospitals were in Florida.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 8:39:21am |
re: #277 dugmartsch
"The apparent general radicalism may be a result of the 'Luap Nor online poll effect' where the most dedicated haters spend the most effort to spread their opinions."
I wonder where they think the members of their supposed cult of Barack is at during these very public discussions in very public forums. Do they imagine they've chased them away with their "totally satirical" Voodoo dolls?
They likely think they have the "cult" scared and on the run.
I'm out for Breakfast. BBL
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:39:32am |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
He was a naval officer, so he had good exposure to what effective needs to mean. My money (if any frees up) would be for Toomey, but Bark Sestak would be a good Senator. No matter who wins, it will be an improvement on the self-concerned Arlen Spector.
As long as Toomey's not another Rick Santorum.
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 8:39:34am |
re: #271 Killgore Trout
I'm doing a lot of straw mulching this year. Use straw for growing your potatoes too!
That's how I grow my potatoes. Actually most of my garden is straw mulched including some of the paths. Right now it looks like a small field of piled straw with green plants sticking out of it. I use both fresh straw and partially composted straw from the chickens.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:39:42am |
re: #274 pingjockey
Mom pulled a fast one a couple of years ago. I thought the pie was pumpkin, it was squash. Granted a pumpkin is a squash, but you know what I mean. It was very darn tasty.
That's also why I'm interested in the Gold Nugget squash, it was originally bred to be a substitute for sweet potatoes in areas with too short of a growing season. Each plant produces about 10-20 pounds of squash. That's a lot of food.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 8:40:15am |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
He was a naval officer, so he had good exposure to what effective needs to mean. My money (if any frees up) would be for Toomey, but Bark Sestak would be a good Senator. No matter who wins, it will be an improvement on the self-concerned Arlen Spector.
I just kept going back to the fact that Arlen is 80. It's time for someone new.
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 8:41:06am |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
I tried cucumbers last year and didn't have any luck with them. I'm not sure what I did wrong but I didn't get a single edible cuke.
Could it be a pollination issue?
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:41:42am |
re: #288 Stanley Sea
I just kept going back to the fact that Arlen is 80. It's time for someone new.
I don't think age really matters. It can matter, but it's never my first concern. Younger doesn't necessarily mean better.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:41:53am |
re: #277 dugmartsch
"The apparent general radicalism may be a result of the 'Luap Nor online poll effect' where the most dedicated haters spend the most effort to spread their opinions."
I wonder where they think the members of their supposed cult of Barack is at during these very public discussions in very public forums. Do they imagine they've chased them away with their "totally satirical" Voodoo dolls?
It's pretty clear that many of them just can't accept the very fact of Obama as president. So they persist in fantasies that he's "not one of us" and will be impeached or otherwise disqualified from office.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:42:14am |
re: #283 marjoriemoon
I agree, not all the congress folks are useless. It just seems that way. The really effective ones get drowned out by the drones. The other thing about the experience factor, you have senators and congresspeople pontificating about this and that and they have a slight idea of what they're bloviating about. That bothers me.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:42:18am |
re: #280 reine.de.tout
Several sold last night - we're at 37 books sold!
Sure wish we could get to somewhere in the range of 80-100 sold!
As long a the sales keep trickling in we might make it. The economy is so bad. Even I had plans to buy the cookbook and kept putting it off because a bill came in or some expense came in. Times are tough. Just a few sales a day is the best we can hope for.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 8:42:42am |
re: #291 palomino
It's pretty clear that many of them just can't accept the very fact of Obama as president. So they persist in fantasies that he's "not one of us" and will be impeached or otherwise disqualified from office.
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.
Yeah, I went there!
Silly wingnuts.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:43:26am |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
That sucks. We have the opposite problem, too damn many. Even with canning pickles!
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:44:14am |
re: #289 Jadespring
Could it be a pollination issue?
Maybe. I kinda think it was the growing condition. Too wet or too dry. I'm not sure but I'll give them a try again next year. I have enough garden experiments going on this time around and it looks like we're going to have a very short growing season this year in Oregon.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:44:33am |
re: #288 Stanley Sea
I just kept going back to the fact that Arlen is 80. It's time for someone new.
That's young for a Senator...in WV (Byrd) or SC (Thurmond).
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jaunte Sun, May 23, 2010 8:44:34am |
re: #277 dugmartsch
I wonder where they think the members of their supposed cult of Barack is at during these very public discussions in very public forums. Do they imagine they've chased them away with their "totally satirical" Voodoo dolls?
Or they forget that most people have lives more complicated than just work and politics.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:45:04am |
re: #292 pingjockey
I agree, not all the congress folks are useless. It just seems that way. The really effective ones get drowned out by the drones. The other thing about the experience factor, you have senators and congresspeople pontificating about this and that and they have a slight idea of what they're bloviating about. That bothers me.
I don't know. I like the FL Dem Congress people, Kendrick Meek, Bill Nelson, Ron Klein to name a few. All good men.
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 8:45:28am |
re: #296 Killgore Trout
Maybe. I kinda think it was the growing condition. Too wet or too dry. I'm not sure but I'll give them a try again next year. I have enough garden experiments going on this time around and it looks like we're going to have a very short growing season this year in Oregon.
Why do you expect a short season?
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 8:45:48am |
re: #294 Varek Raith
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.
Yeah, I went there!
Silly wingnuts.
But Biden is "one of us." No middle name like Hussein to make him all scary.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 23, 2010 8:46:08am |
re: #301 Jadespring
Why do you expect a short season?
END OF THE WORLD, SILLY!
With that, I'm out for a bit.
:)
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dugmartsch Sun, May 23, 2010 8:46:49am |
re: #263 pingjockey
The better half brought this point up, gov't should be ran like a business. IOW, show a profit or at least a non negative balance. We have folks in congress, who are suddenly experts at everything, actually have no experience in anything.
The problem with that analogy for me has always been that it leads you astray really quickly.
The purpose of a business is to grow as large as possible, producing as large a return for shareholders as possible. Is that what we want from our government?
Government isn't a business it's a government. It does things counterintuitively to what a business would do, like run a deficit when business is hurting and run a big surplus (pull back on expansion) when it's running hot. That's exactly the opposite of what any sane business person would do.
I dig the larger point that I wish we judged government on its results rather than it's ideology, but that seems pretty impossible.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:20am |
re: #300 marjoriemoon
Bill Nelson is the only one of those folks I'm aquainted with. I have some real doozies here in WA state. Jim McDermont, who said he'd trust Saddam over the Pres. Patty Murray who said the taliban had built roads and hospitals in Afghanistan.
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:25am |
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prairiefire Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:40am |
re: #293 Killgore Trout
The economy has had a subtle impact on everything. I see it in how many people show up for reunions, kid's parties, memorials. Lots of things.
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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 23, 2010 8:49:00am |
re: #263 pingjockey
The better half brought this point up, gov't should be ran like a business. IOW, show a profit or at least a non negative balance. We have folks in congress, who are suddenly experts at everything, actually have no experience in anything.
While I agree in principle, the problem is that the major role of government is to do things that are required for general welfare, but that no private entity would ever do because they don't run a profit. That's a legitimate role for government. It can do them because it answers to voters, not stockholders.
No corporation would build infrastructure to underpopulated areas - there's no money in it. And even if they did, it would be to monopolise the area and then we run the risk of usury. There's no profit margin in running a military, unless of course you use it to go conquer other places and pillage them. There may be a profit margin in running some utilities and services, but there's rarely much of a margin once you have to build the infrastructure for them. Government can do it, regardless. Private companies won't.
Besides, one way for government to be more revenue-neutral is for direct owned government businesses. In some limited cases they can work, but I suspect most would have strong ideological grounds against it.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:49:50am |
re: #304 dugmartsch
Thanks. I phrased that poorly. How about ran 'efficiently' as a good business?
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prairiefire Sun, May 23, 2010 8:50:06am |
re: #300 marjoriemoon
I don't know. I like the FL Dem Congress people, Kendrick Meek, Bill Nelson, Ron Klein to name a few. All good men.
I like Claire McCaskill. I will also like Robin Carnahan when we elect her here in Missouri to replace Kit Bond.
I like Rep Emanuel Cleaver quite a bit.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:50:53am |
re: #308 Renaissance_Man
Thank you too. See my 309. I did a bad job of getting my point across.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:51:39am |
re: #292 pingjockey
I agree, not all the congress folks are useless. It just seems that way. The really effective ones get drowned out by the drones. The other thing about the experience factor, you have senators and congresspeople pontificating about this and that and they have a slight idea of what they're bloviating about. That bothers me.
And besides, when did no experience become the better idea? Don't we want people who know the system, but have the right ideas about how to work it? I mean, that may change depending on your party affiliation, but this idea of non-political politicians is silly to me. (Other than I don't believe that actually exists anyway.)
The only non-politic politician that I might listen to would be a military wo/man (a Dem one of course heh).
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:51:45am |
re: #308 Renaissance_Man
While I agree in principle, the problem is that the major role of government is to do things that are required for general welfare, but that no private entity would ever do because they don't run a profit. That's a legitimate role for government. It can do them because it answers to voters, not stockholders.
. . .
Absolutely true.
Every election year, one candidate or another here will start talking about the need to run gubmit more like a bidness.
The problem is that government is NOT a business, and has no business trying to act like one. That's not to say that government should not be trying to be good stewards of the taxpayers' money - but it just cannot be run like business.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 23, 2010 8:52:34am |
re: #305 pingjockey
Bill Nelson is the only one of those folks I'm aquainted with. I have some real doozies here in WA state. Jim McDermont, who said he'd trust Saddam over the Pres. Patty Murray who said the taliban had built roads and hospitals in Afghanistan.
Eeks!! Nelson is a state senator, the others are local congressman so you probably wouldn't know them.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 8:52:53am |
BBIAB, besides laundry duty, I have to go change the irrigation pump filter for our little irrigation district. About 60 houses and a 4 hp pump. The filter gets clogged up and folks are whining that their pop up sprinklers arent popping up!
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 8:53:13am |
re: #301 Jadespring
Because we're approaching the end of may and temps are still in the low 50's, tons of rain and even some light frost a few weeks ago. It's been like this for months. I figure in the next few weeks we'll just skip spring and jump into summer.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 8:56:52am |
Well Lizards.. It's a hot day in Indiana! Finally! In Indiana when it's hot..It's really hot and humid.. The pool is open and it looks beautiful blue.. After lunch..(And after an hour so I don't get cramps..jeez) I am going into the pool for the first time since last Sept.
It's going to be ugly..I know it..You know it...I thought instead of on a Sunday screaming every curse word known to man..As I slowly walk into the pool I would just exchange curse words for Slutty Hollywood actresses...
Lindsey Lohan!
Brittany Spears!
Paris freaking Hiton!
Amy Winehouse..Amy Winehouse.. Amy!
Courtney Love!
ahhhhh....Water is fine..Jump on in!
(Suckers)
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 8:57:36am |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Because we're approaching the end of may and temps are still in the low 50's, tons of rain and even some light frost a few weeks ago. It's been like this for months. I figure in the next few weeks we'll just skip spring and jump into summer.
Ah, that sucks. Here (my part of Ontario) we're running fairly decent temps if not a bit warmer then usual and way less rain then usual. Last year sounds like what you have now. Regardless it's really hard to tell what's going to happen over the next few months. I keep hearing over and over from long term gardeners and farmers in the area that the weather is just less predictable as the years trundle on.
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sergeant major Sun, May 23, 2010 8:58:26am |
Iran HOSTAGES 296 days 5 hours and counting....
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 8:58:59am |
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sergeant major Sun, May 23, 2010 9:00:13am |
no they have retunred already they were supposed tobe there a week and they got 10 hours with their children
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:01:00am |
I haven't really chime in at all about the new Arizona law concerning immigration and law enforcement, mainly because I was was waiting for all sides to make their points, and I was also reading the law and trying to absorb it's import. I guess the thing that baffles me the most is the different cities and agencies in California "boycotting" Arizona...
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen
of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent
resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time
or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of
immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.
It seems hypocritical to me that there is so much complaints about this law. I'm not convinced there is a problem with it.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 9:03:45am |
re: #320 MandyManners
How are the tad-poles?
They are doing a lot better than expected. They hide when it gets cold but on the rare occassion that the sun comes out they start moving around. I suspect I have at least 15 of my original 20 still alive but I won't know until we get a warm sunny day.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:04:35am |
re: #322 sergeant major
no they have retunred already they were supposed tobe there a week and they got 10 hours with their children
I hurt for them. Sure, their children are adults but, they're their children imprisoned there.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:05:54am |
re: #324 Killgore Trout
They are doing a lot better than expected. They hide when it gets cold but on the rare occassion that the sun comes out they start moving around. I suspect I have at least 15 of my original 20 still alive but I won't know until we get a warm sunny day.
How long until they're frogs?
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 9:06:29am |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
I haven't really chime in at all about the new Arizona law concerning immigration and law enforcement, mainly because I was was waiting for all sides to make their points, and I was also reading the law and trying to absorb it's import. I guess the thing that baffles me the most is the different cities and agencies in California "boycotting" Arizona...
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen
of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent
resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time
or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of
immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.It seems hypocritical to me that there is so much complaints about this law. I'm not convinced there is a problem with it.
You forgot the preceding requirements:
(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following...
The difference between the California law and the Arizona law is that in California you have to have been arrested. In Arizona all that is required is contact with law enforcement. That a rather significant difference.
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Bubblehead II Sun, May 23, 2010 9:06:43am |
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lostlakehiker Sun, May 23, 2010 9:08:26am |
re: #286 Jadespring
That's how I grow my potatoes. Actually most of my garden is straw mulched including some of the paths. Right now it looks like a small field of piled straw with green plants sticking out of it. I use both fresh straw and partially composted straw from the chickens.
Reminds me of a joke in an old-time advertisement for straw hats.
"At prices like these you can run them through your horse and put them on your roses."
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 9:08:32am |
Ah gotta go. Chipmunks are launching a full frontal attack on the chickens and I guess I'm going to have to go play UN and break it up.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:09:02am |
re: #317 HoosierHoops
Well Lizards.. It's a hot day in Indiana! Finally! In Indiana when it's hot..It's really hot and humid.. The pool is open and it looks beautiful blue.. After lunch..(And after an hour so I don't get cramps..jeez) I am going into the pool for the first time since last Sept.
It's going to be ugly..I know it..You know it...I thought instead of on a Sunday screaming every curse word known to man..As I slowly walk into the pool I would just exchange curse words for Slutty Hollywood actresses...
Lindsey Lohan!
Brittany Spears!
Paris freaking Hiton!
Amy Winehouse..Amy Winehouse.. Amy!
Courtney Love!
ahhh...Water is fine..Jump on in!
(Suckers)
HH! I'm taking the munchkins to the development pool later...the only thing better than having a pool in my backyard is having one in the development and one at my parents' house a few minutes away. All of the leisure, none of the maintenance!
How do you like my new avatar? Hate the playa, not the game, baby!
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 9:09:06am |
re: #329 lostlakehiker
Reminds me of a joke in an old-time advertisement for straw hats.
"At prices like these you can run them through your horse and put them on your roses."
LOL. Love it. :)
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:10:29am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:11:26am |
re: #330 Jadespring
Ah gotta go. Chipmunks are launching a full frontal attack on the chickens and I guess I'm going to have to go play UN and break it up.
The chickens are doomed.
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Political Atheist Sun, May 23, 2010 9:11:33am |
re: #327 Gus 802
The difference between the California law and the Arizona law is that in California you have to have been arrested. In Arizona all that is required is contact with law enforcement. That a rather significant difference.
Guys-
In Los Angeles the California law was largely set aside at the local level with this [Link: www.judicialwatch.org...]
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 9:12:52am |
re: #331 Aceofwhat?
HH! I'm taking the munchkins to the development pool later...the only thing better than having a pool in my backyard is having one in the development and one at my parents' house a few minutes away. All of the leisure, none of the maintenance!
How do you like my new avatar? Hate the playa, not the game, baby!
*facepalm*
Man up Hoopster..Ace loves Tennis
Racket in the face?
No don't do it!
*wink*
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, May 23, 2010 9:13:39am |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
It seems hypocritical to me that there is so much complaints about this law. I'm not convinced there is a problem with it.
The problem is very simple - on any police contact, they will attempt to determine status. In practical terms this means, simply, that if you look brown, you have no right to police protection or services unless you have your birth certificate/passport on you because instead of protecting you they are going to try and throw your ass out of the country. Just because you might be an illegal...
It just became very, very, very easy to victimize these people as well because they won't dare call the cops on you even if you steal, rape or kill.
And that is why this law is evil.
William
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:16:08am |
re: #313 reine.de.tout
Absolutely true.
Every election year, one candidate or another here will start talking about the need to run gubmit more like a bidness.
The problem is that government is NOT a business, and has no business trying to act like one. That's not to say that government should not be trying to be good stewards of the taxpayers' money - but it just cannot be run like business.
I agree, and i'm sure you agree that there are principles of a well-run business that could often be adopted more effectively by government organizations (i'm sure you were all over this, though;)
Principles such as identifying and organizing around clear, core objectives/missions...being held accountable for operating within budgetary goals...a heavy focus on continuous improvement...recruitment of improvement ideas and creative thinking from all employees, with financial rewards for actual successes...development of transparent metrics to define the efficiency of the operation...etc.
I do that every day (although my current position is a little soft/slow right now). I expect my government to take their day just as seriously.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:16:11am |
re: #337 wlewisiii
The problem is very simple - on any police contact, they will attempt to determine status. In practical terms this means, simply, that if you look brown, you have no right to police protection or services unless you have your birth certificate/passport on you because instead of protecting you they are going to try and throw your ass out of the country. Just because you might be an illegal...
It just became very, very, very easy to victimize these people as well because they won't dare call the cops on you even if you steal, rape or kill.
And that is why this law is evil.
William
I have an easy and fair solution... everyone needs to carry proof of citizenship or legal status.
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 9:16:18am |
re: #335 Rightwingconspirator
Guys-
In Los Angeles the California law was largely set aside at the local level with this [Link: www.judicialwatch.org...]
I've already said before that I think once you've been arrested I think it's perfectly reasonable to inquire as to the legal status including cross referencing with Federal authorities. Would also add that if the person is engaging in behavior or activity that would indicate suspicion it would also be reasonable. That could include evasion, walking along the vicinity of the border area, etc. I suppose there would be others.
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Bubblehead II Sun, May 23, 2010 9:16:54am |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:17:07am |
re: #330 Jadespring
Ah gotta go. Chipmunks are launching a full frontal attack on the chickens and I guess I'm going to have to go play UN and break it up.
seriously? they gang up on the chickens? that's hilarious...
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 9:17:26am |
re: #339 Walter L. Newton
I have an easy and fair solution... everyone needs to carry proof of citizenship or legal status.
National ID? Mark of the Beast! The sovereigns would go crazier than they already are.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:18:06am |
re: #337 wlewisiii
It just became very, very, very easy to victimize these people as well because they won't dare call the cops on you even if you steal, rape or kill.
That's my problem with this law.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 9:18:39am |
re: #330 Jadespring
Ah gotta go. Chipmunks are launching a full frontal attack on the chickens and I guess I'm going to have to go play UN and break it up.
If the actual UN were charged with that task, the chook-chooks would all be dead before the boots hit the ground.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:18:44am |
re: #337 wlewisiii
the law's not evil. it's clumsy. your evil-o-meter is broken.
Neo-nazis are evil.
This law is ham-handed.
HUGE difference.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:18:44am |
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 9:19:44am |
re: #346 Aceofwhat?
the law's not evil. it's clumsy. your evil-o-meter is broken.
Neo-nazis are evil.
This law is ham-handed.
HUGE difference.
I thought we had agreed to drop the "neo" and just call them Nazis.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:20:48am |
re: #343 Cato the Elder
National ID? Mark of the Beast! The sovereigns would go crazier than they already are.
I've said it before and I'll say it again and again... it is common practice in Europe to ask for proof of legal status, and no one seems to complain. I've seen it happen. I've seen the random stops on the street, in the metro's, and usually by paramilitary styled state police (with really big guns and no smiles). I have no problem with a national ID.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:21:23am |
re: #348 Cato the Elder
I thought we had agreed to drop the "neo" and just call them Nazis.
oh. i thought we'd agreed that they're not quite Nazis, that affording them that status would diminish the real deal? perhaps i missed a part of that conversation, or missed a separate one...?
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 9:22:13am |
re: #345 Cato the Elder
If the actual UN were charged with that task, the chook-chooks would all be dead before the boots hit the ground.
I believe we have two choices: a) compose a strongly worded letter to the Chipmunks indicating our clear intentions and b) follow up with an embargo of the global nut supply to the Chipmunk peoples.
//
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:22:26am |
re: #349 Walter L. Newton
I've said it before and I'll say it again and again... it is common practice in Europe to ask for proof of legal status, and no one seems to complain. I've seen it happen. I've seen the random stops on the street, in the metro's, and usually by paramilitary styled state police (with really big guns and no smiles). I have no problem with a national ID.
What's next? Permission to travel?
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Political Atheist Sun, May 23, 2010 9:22:36am |
re: #340 Gus 802
I am not disagreeing with you. Special order 40 effectively stops LAPD from getting into this at all. Follow the logic- Sworn peace officers are banned from enforcing certain laws, which implies something is wrong with the cops or the law. The dissonance reeks of immigration advocacy politics overcoming sensible laws.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 9:23:32am |
re: #326 MandyManners
How long until they're frogs?
I think it only takes about 6 weeks for them to mature. They were probably only about a week or two old when I got them so maybe within the next month I'll have frogs if they make it.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:24:01am |
re: #351 Gus 802
I believe we have two choices: a) compose a strongly worded letter to the Chipmunks indicating our clear intentions and b) follow up with an embargo of the global nut supply to the Chipmunk peoples.
//
You know that the foxes will still sell to the chickens, don't you?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:24:27am |
re: #352 MandyManners
What's next? Permission to travel?
You want to do something about illegal immigration, but you don't want to be part of the solution, do you? And why do you ask such a question, where in Western or Eastern Europe, which was the subject of my comment, so you have to have permission to travel?
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 9:24:43am |
re: #353 Rightwingconspirator
I am not disagreeing with you. Special order 40 effectively stops LAPD from getting into this at all. Follow the logic- Sworn peace officers are banned from enforcing certain laws, which implies something is wrong with the cops or the law. The dissonance reeks of immigration advocacy politics overcoming sensible laws.
I didn't think you were. I disagree with Special Order 40. I'm also not a fan of sanctuary cities. The Arizona law should be re-worked and Special Order 40 should be rescinded. There's an answer here and I think it lies somewhere in the middle.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:24:46am |
re: #354 Killgore Trout
I think it only takes about 6 weeks for them to mature. They were probably only about a week or two old when I got them so maybe within the next month I'll have frogs if they make it.
Let us know if you get the urge to knit. I'm sure many Lizards have spare needles and skeins.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:25:26am |
re: #356 Walter L. Newton
You want to do something about illegal immigration, but you don't want to be part of the solution, do you? And why do you ask such a question, where in Western or Eastern Europe, which was the subject of my comment, so you have to have permission to travel?
Ummm...I've never used a "/" in my life. Maybe I should have in that post.
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 9:25:50am |
re: #355 MandyManners
You know that the foxes will still sell to the chickens, don't you?
Perhaps it would be best if we extended a hand to Alvin.
/
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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 23, 2010 9:25:55am |
re: #313 reine.de.tout
Absolutely true.
Every election year, one candidate or another here will start talking about the need to run gubmit more like a bidness.
The problem is that government is NOT a business, and has no business trying to act like one. That's not to say that government should not be trying to be good stewards of the taxpayers' money - but it just cannot be run like business.
And this comes more to the crux of the problem - it's not that our elected officials are incompetent. It's not that our government is inefficient - it is, and it can and should improve, but a measure of inefficiency is always going to exist. The true crux of the problem is that in our current system, we get the government we ask for.
It's us. We are fallible humans. We demand unrealistic things, and we allow ourselves to be swayed by stupidity and bad logic. We demand that our elected officials tell us what we want to hear, otherwise we won't elect them. We demand that our elected officials play a particular elaborate game to get into office, and then we get angry that they act the same as every other official who we've demanded play this elaborate game. And we won't tolerate being told the truth.
A person can be smart. A small group of people can be smart, and reasonable. Overall? People are dumb.
I want to see government become better, smarter, more efficient, and more effective as much as anyone. Most of us here are wise enough to understand how that may be realistically achieved. But it will not happen until we fundamentally change the electoral system, and stop demanding that our elected officials spin us ridiculous stories and use special codewords before we'll give them a job.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, May 23, 2010 9:27:40am |
re: #346 Aceofwhat?
the law's not evil. it's clumsy. your evil-o-meter is broken.
Neo-nazis are evil.
This law is ham-handed.
HUGE difference.
Not especially. Arizona says they have no right to protection. Their lives are meaningless to this law.
Remember, Neo-nazi's helped write this law - "by their fruits" seems appropriate now.
William
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 9:28:01am |
re: #342 Aceofwhat?
seriously? they gang up on the chickens? that's hilarious...
Yeah seriously and it is really hilarious. Last year a pair of chipmunks moved into a pile of wood near the coop and had several babies. They figured out that the coop was a great place to get easy food. Chipmunks love chicken feed. Chickens are generally really skittish and pretty much anything will get them going. Even just a leaf falling on one will get them squawking like crazy. Since we do have actual serious predators here when they start going crazy I usually at least check to see what's up.
So last year they were all going bonkers in the coop and wouldn't stop so I wandered out to see what the problem was. Saw the funniest thing ever, a half grown chipmunk in the coop trying to roll an egg that was almost as big as it was. After that it was a regular occurance to see a couple of the chipmunks sitting outside the coop with a couple of the chickens standing at the door of the coop clucking like crazy. This year it looks like the chipmunks are back and the whole food war thing is starting again.
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lostlakehiker Sun, May 23, 2010 9:30:05am |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
I haven't really chime in at all about the new Arizona law concerning immigration and law enforcement, mainly because I was was waiting for all sides to make their points, and I was also reading the law and trying to absorb it's import. I guess the thing that baffles me the most is the different cities and agencies in California "boycotting" Arizona...
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen
of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent
resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time
or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of
immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.It seems hypocritical to me that there is so much complaints about this law. I'm not convinced there is a problem with it.
The nominal reason for objecting to this law is that it will trigger a spate of harassment stops by law officers, to the point that citizens whose features suggest Spanish and Amerind ancestry will be unable to freely go about their daily business. This is nonsense. It won't happen.
It won't happen because there are many other clues to a person's immigration status than features. With experience and training, the enforcers of this law will pick up on them. Clothing. Demeanor. Which dialect of Spanish do they use, if they're Spanish speakers? Most legal immigrants and citizens will never notice that they've been scanned and passed over.
Second, it won't happen because the stop, in the first place, will have to be based on something other than immigration status. Anybody who runs a stop sign is going to get pulled over and asked for ID. It's nothing special. Unless you're blind, you won't run enough stop signs for this to be a major hassle.
The real reasons that so many people object are twofold. Some fraction of objections are based on a sincere belief that the nonsense threat of endless hassle will materialize. Good faith, wrongheaded fretting. But the other big source of objections to the law comes from material interest.
Illegal immigration is not an unalloyed bad thing for America. Among citizens, there are winners as well as losers when illegal immigration flow is strong. They do contribute to the economy, for instance. The economic winners are the guys who get cheap hotel labor, cheap roofing, cheap gardening, and so forth.* There are also political winners. Illegal immigrants may in time be granted amnesty and citizenship, and there is little doubt which party stands to gain from that. And whether or not amnesty is passed, their children born in the U.S. are automatically citizens, and when they grow up, they too will be voters.
From the perspective of the winners, any impediment to illegal immigration is bad. If they can't get it legalized, at least they can see to it that the laws on immigration are a practical nullity.
Arizona voters evidently see themselves as more falling in the loser camp than the winner camp.
Elections allow us to see which camp is more numerous, winners, or losers. Polls also give a clue. Public opinion is running in favor of this law, not because the public hates immigrants, but because by some margin, more people weigh up the costs of illegal immigration versus the benefits and see the costs.
*We also get some number of really great new citizens. But illegal immigration is unlikely to be any better for this purpose than legal immigration, where we can pick and choose, selecting those who will come with skills that are in short supply here.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:30:41am |
re: #360 Gus 802
Perhaps it would be best if we extended a hand to Alvin.
/
They have Weapons of Musical Destruction.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:30:57am |
re: #357 Gus 802
I didn't think you were. I disagree with Special Order 40. I'm also not a fan of sanctuary cities. The Arizona law should be re-worked and Special Order 40 should be rescinded. There's an answer here and I think it lies somewhere in the middle.
You live in one.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:31:00am |
re: #362 wlewisiii
Not especially. Arizona says they have no right to protection. Their lives are meaningless to this law.
Your use of hyperbole only strengthens my point that you are exaggerating the malevolence of this law.
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Political Atheist Sun, May 23, 2010 9:31:56am |
re: #357 Gus 802
True! The obstacle is two fold or two sided. We now have the far left and far right advocates dominating the debate. Thus leaving the middle as a useless shot up minefield of mis-perceptions and red hot rhetoric.
IMHO
Any effective act or change in the law on illegal immigration will be excoriated as racist. As will any attempt to remove or water down special order 40. For all the real racism out there, the term loses some value at this point.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:32:07am |
re: #363 Jadespring
Are you sure that you want to move south? Sounds to me like your current stead is nigh unto paradise...
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:32:31am |
re: #363 Jadespring
Yeah seriously and it is really hilarious. Last year a pair of chipmunks moved into a pile of wood near the coop and had several babies. They figured out that the coop was a great place to get easy food. Chipmunks love chicken feed. Chickens are generally really skittish and pretty much anything will get them going. Even just a leaf falling on one will get them squawking like crazy. Since we do have actual serious predators here when they start going crazy I usually at least check to see what's up.
So last year they were all going bonkers in the coop and wouldn't stop so I wandered out to see what the problem was. Saw the funniest thing ever, a half grown chipmunk in the coop trying to roll an egg that was almost as big as it was. After that it was a regular occurance to see a couple of the chipmunks sitting outside the coop with a couple of the chickens standing at the door of the coop clucking like crazy. This year it looks like the chipmunks are back and the whole food war thing is starting again.
Would it help to just feed the chipmunks so that they'll leave the chickens alone?
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:33:46am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, May 23, 2010 9:33:48am |
re: #367 Aceofwhat?
Your use of hyperbole only strengthens my point that you are exaggerating the malevolence of this law.
Shug. You hear what you want to hear.
William
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albusteve Sun, May 23, 2010 9:34:07am |
re: #367 Aceofwhat?
Your use of hyperbole only strengthens my point that you are exaggerating the malevolence of this law.
all it's critics are...it's just bullshit, running around screaming evil racists!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:34:21am |
re: #367 Aceofwhat?
Your use of hyperbole only strengthens my point that you are exaggerating the malevolence of this law.
That's why I rarely bother to respond to wlewisiii. Most everything he/she posts is over wrought hyperbole and broad-brushed rhetoric which contains no critical debating points.
Waste of time.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:37:18am |
re: #374 wlewisiii
Shug. You hear what you want to hear.
William
eh...i heard you say that their lives were meaningless. i didn't find that particular directive or conclusion in the text of the law under discussion...
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:38:20am |
re: #376 Walter L. Newton
That's why I rarely bother to respond to wlewisiii. Most everything he/she posts is over wrought hyperbole and broad-brushed rhetoric which contains no critical debating points.
Waste of time.
yeah...i felt like he was due for another rendezvous with the reality paddle...
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 9:38:47am |
re: #371 MandyManners
Would it help to just feed the chipmunks so that they'll leave the chickens alone?
Actually that's exactly what I'm trying out. Just went out and put a small plate of chicken feed where the chipmunks are. I figure I have several options. Let them duke it out, try to relocate the chipmunks, kill the chipmunks, make the coop chipmunk proof but then the chickens wouldn't be able to range in and out freely or just directly give the chipmunks what they're after. I'm going with the feeding option because it's easy, relocation is a pain and there's no guarentee that they won't come back or others will just not move in and I don't particularly feel like being a baby chipmunk killer this week.
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Bubblehead II Sun, May 23, 2010 9:39:01am |
Interesting Tech story.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:39:07am |
re: #378 Aceofwhat?
yeah...i felt like he was due for another rendezvous with the reality paddle...
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:40:15am |
re: #379 Jadespring
Actually that's exactly what I'm trying out. Just went out and put a small plate of chicken feed where the chipmunks are. I figure I have several options. Let them duke it out, try to relocate the chipmunks, kill the chipmunks, make the coop chipmunk proof but then the chickens wouldn't be able to range in and out freely or just directly give the chipmunks what they're after. I'm going with the feeding option because it's easy, relocation is a pain and there's no guarentee that they won't come back or others will just not move in and I don't particularly feel like being a baby chipmunk killer this week.
I hope it works!
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:40:48am |
re: #381 MandyManners
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
naw...i'm not the kind of guy who names his appendages;)
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 9:41:23am |
re: #369 Aceofwhat?
Are you sure that you want to move south? Sounds to me like your current stead is nigh unto paradise...
Hee. Yeah on nice days like this I'm not so sure. We'll see. Right now I'm just going to go with the flow and see what happens.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, May 23, 2010 9:42:11am |
That's ok, Walter. I bow down b4 your l33t skilz.
William
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:42:11am |
Morning all
Another day, another vote against what this congress and admin are doing
BUT ,,, don't forget,, it's just a small group of crazy "tea baggers"!
GOP wins House seat in Obama's home district (Hawaii)
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
The seat had been held by a Democrat for nearly 20 years
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:42:17am |
re: #379 Jadespring
Actually that's exactly what I'm trying out. Just went out and put a small plate of chicken feed where the chipmunks are. I figure I have several options. Let them duke it out, try to relocate the chipmunks, kill the chipmunks, make the coop chipmunk proof but then the chickens wouldn't be able to range in and out freely or just directly give the chipmunks what they're after. I'm going with the feeding option because it's easy, relocation is a pain and there's no guarentee that they won't come back or others will just not move in and I don't particularly feel like being a baby chipmunk killer this week.
especially because you have to love their chutzpah...figuring out that the (relatively) huge chickens could be bullied and then following through. it's a great story!
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:42:51am |
re: #383 Aceofwhat?
naw...i'm not the kind of guy who names his appendages;)
Ashamed of em, are ya !?!?
//
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:43:15am |
I have to go to work in a bit, 7 hour shift, but, I was lucky... instead of scheduling me for Sunday evening, which is normal, they gave me the afternoon so I could get home in time to watch THE SERIES FINALE OF LOST.
I'm bottom man on seniority out of 20 cashiers, so it's really unusual to get any requested time off... they like me a whole lot.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:43:30am |
re: #384 Jadespring
Hee. Yeah on nice days like this I'm not so sure. We'll see. Right now I'm just going to go with the flow and see what happens.
easy for me to say...i wear a green visor and already live in the south/
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 9:43:32am |
re: #350 Aceofwhat?
oh. i thought we'd agreed that they're not quite Nazis, that affording them that status would diminish the real deal? perhaps i missed a part of that conversation, or missed a separate one...?
Just because they haven't staged a beer-hall putsch yet or published a literary classic like "Mein Kampf" doesn't mean they deserve the minimizing and extenuating prefix.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:43:32am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:44:01am |
re: #390 Aceofwhat?
easy for me to say...i wear a green visor and already live in the south/
Poker dealer?!?!?
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 9:44:46am |
re: #349 Walter L. Newton
I've said it before and I'll say it again and again... it is common practice in Europe to ask for proof of legal status, and no one seems to complain. I've seen it happen. I've seen the random stops on the street, in the metro's, and usually by paramilitary styled state police (with really big guns and no smiles). I have no problem with a national ID.
Nor do I. But the wingbats would go absolutely apeshit. It's a common NWO/OWG/ZOG meme.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:45:01am |
re: #389 Walter L. Newton
I have to go to work in a bit, 7 hour shift, but, I was lucky... instead of scheduling me for Sunday evening, which is normal, they gave me the afternoon so I could get home in time to watch THE SERIES FINALE OF LOST.
I'm bottom man on seniority out of 20 cashiers, so it's really unusual to get any requested time off... they like me a whole lot.
Why wouldn't they?
You're so freindly and cuddly!!
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 9:45:18am |
re: #386 sattv4u2
Morning all
Another day, another vote against what this congress and admin are doing
BUT ,,, don't forget,, it's just a small group of crazy "tea baggers"!
GOP wins House seat in Obama's home district (Hawaii)
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]The seat had been held by a Democrat for nearly 20 years
Couple of things. Djou is not a Tea Party candidate and a mildly moderate Republican. The genius Democrats in Hawaii also ran two Democrats on that ballot. This was a special election and the final tally between Republicans and Democrats was 2 to 1 in favor of a Democratic candidate. Odds are that come November it will swing back to a Democratic rep.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 23, 2010 9:45:28am |
re: #389 Walter L. Newton
I have to go to work in a bit, 7 hour shift, but, I was lucky... instead of scheduling me for Sunday evening, which is normal, they gave me the afternoon so I could get home in time to watch THE SERIES FINALE OF LOST.
I'm bottom man on seniority out of 20 cashiers, so it's really unusual to get any requested time off... they like me a whole lot.
Have you made plans for Life after LOST?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:45:39am |
re: #389 Walter L. Newton
I have to go to work in a bit, 7 hour shift, but, I was lucky... instead of scheduling me for Sunday evening, which is normal, they gave me the afternoon so I could get home in time to watch THE SERIES FINALE OF LOST.
I'm bottom man on seniority out of 20 cashiers, so it's really unusual to get any requested time off... they like me a whole lot.
have you received any feedback from customers or co-workers about your stand-up routine?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:46:42am |
re: #391 Cato the Elder
Just because they haven't staged a beer-hall putsch yet or published a literary classic like "Mein Kampf" doesn't mean they deserve the minimizing and extenuating prefix.
sure...but i like minimizing and diminishing them whenever possible, even if only in a rhetorical sense. why grant them the credit they seek?
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:46:47am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:46:51am |
re: #396 Gus 802
Couple of things. Djou is not a Tea Party candidate and a mildly moderate Republican. The genius Democrats in Hawaii also ran two Democrats on that ballot. This was a special election and the final tally between Republicans and Democrats was 2 to 1 in favor of a Democratic candidate. Odds are that come November it will swing back to a Democratic rep.
Yes,, and New Jersey/ Massachusetts/ Virginia were just abberations
Keep whistling past that graveyard
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 9:46:53am |
re: #387 Aceofwhat?
especially because you have to love their chutzpah...figuring out that the (relatively) huge chickens could be bullied and then following through. it's a great story!
Yeah so true. These chipmunks are pretty smart. We can watch the whole thing play out from our deck. They seem to actually use strategy. I've seen a chipmunk run towards a chicken and then suddenly run back. The chicken lunges out the door at it and another chipmunk darts out and scoots behind the chicken and into the coop.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:47:04am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:47:08am |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:48:10am |
re: #400 MandyManners
Why not?
i only name things that i talk to. and i don't talk to them. never needed to!
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:48:43am |
re: #402 Jadespring
Yeah so true. These chipmunks are pretty smart. We can watch the whole thing play out from our deck. They seem to actually use strategy. I've seen a chipmunk run towards a chicken and then suddenly run back. The chicken lunges out the door at it and another chipmunk darts out and scoots behind the chicken and into the coop.
Have you thought about filming it for YouTube?
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:48:58am |
re: #402 Jadespring
Yeah so true. These chipmunks are pretty smart. We can watch the whole thing play out from our deck. They seem to actually use strategy. I've seen a chipmunk run towards a chicken and then suddenly run back. The chicken lunges out the door at it and another chipmunk darts out and scoots behind the chicken and into the coop.
It's their squeeky singing voices that get me!
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:49:06am |
re: #405 Aceofwhat?
i only name things that i talk to. and i don't talk to them. never needed to!
I shouldn't have asked.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:49:28am |
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 9:50:19am |
re: #401 sattv4u2
Yes,, and New Jersey/ Massachusetts/ Virginia were just abberations
Keep whistling past that graveyard
New Jersey and Virginia were not special elections. Massachusetts was a special election. Given Scott Brown's rather moderate voting record thus far he stands a good chance of winning again in November.
I'm not whistling past and graveyard since I'm an independent observer. If I was in Hawaii I may have considered voting for Djou. All is not as it may seem Sat in you assessment of my motivations.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:50:33am |
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 23, 2010 9:50:48am |
re: #338 Aceofwhat?
I agree, and i'm sure you agree that there are principles of a well-run business that could often be adopted more effectively by government organizations (i'm sure you were all over this, though;)
Principles such as identifying and organizing around clear, core objectives/missions...being held accountable for operating within budgetary goals...a heavy focus on continuous improvement...recruitment of improvement ideas and creative thinking from all employees, with financial rewards for actual successes...development of transparent metrics to define the efficiency of the operation...etc.
I do that every day (although my current position is a little soft/slow right now). I expect my government to take their day just as seriously.
All of the things you mentioned are incorporated into our state government agency operations. Agencies operate with a clear mission statement, and each year must complete an operational plan with objectives/missions/goals, with clear metrics for measurement of progress. All of this is public record, and I participated in this process every year.
Fiscal accountability is a big part of that. Each year's operational plan must show what was budgeted for programs/goals for last year, what the outcomes were, and what is budgeted for this year.
Use of positions (wages being the biggest cost of gov't) is also in there. The legislature approves "x" number of permanent positions per agency every year. Agencies cannot exceed that number, without jusitification and reasons presented to the legislature.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:51:15am |
re: #398 Aceofwhat?
have you received any feedback from customers or co-workers about your stand-up routine?
So far I haven't been fired... actually the manager of the store said twice that as someone who has been doing this only two months, he was surprised how fast and accurate I was and how well I work with the customers.
That's just me, I don't consider that special, I consider that's doing my job, that's what they told me was my job to do, so I do it.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 23, 2010 9:52:00am |
re: #397 Alouette
Have you made plans for Life after LOST?
Yes... have more time to piss off the folks on LGF.
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 9:52:16am |
re: #406 MandyManners
Have you thought about filming it for YouTube?
Yes. Every time I see some of the crazy animal things here I always say that I really need to get a video camera. I've tried using my cellphone but in order to catch this sort of stuff I need some sort of zoom function.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 9:52:18am |
re: #413 reine.de.tout
All of the things you mentioned are incorporated into our state government agency operations. Agencies operate with a clear mission statement, and each year must complete an operational plan with objectives/missions/goals, with clear metrics for measurement of progress. All of this is public record, and I participated in this process every year.
Fiscal accountability is a big part of that. Each year's operational plan must show what was budgeted for programs/goals for last year, what the outcomes were, and what is budgeted for this year.
Use of positions (wages being the biggest cost of gov't) is also in there. The legislature approves "x" number of permanent positions per agency every year. Agencies cannot exceed that number, without jusitification and reasons presented to the legislature.
cool. thanks for the insight!
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:53:50am |
re: #416 Jadespring
Yes. Every time I see some of the crazy animal things here I always say that I really need to get a video camera. I've tried using my cellphone but in order to catch this sort of stuff I need some sort of zoom function.
In the My Favorites that are still lost I have a link to a video of a bunny breaking up a fight between chickens.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 9:54:14am |
re: #386 sattv4u2
Morning all
Another day, another vote against what this congress and admin are doing
BUT ,,, don't forget,, it's just a small group of crazy "tea baggers"!
GOP wins House seat in Obama's home district (Hawaii)
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]The seat had been held by a Democrat for nearly 20 years
Did you actually look at the results? The GOP won the seat with 39% of the vote. The other 61% went to the TWO Democratic candidates.
Had the Dems narrowed their field to one candidate, they clearly would have retained the seat.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:54:17am |
re: #410 Gus 802
New Jersey and Virginia were not special elections. Massachusetts was a special election. Given Scott Brown's rather moderate voting record thus far he stands a good chance of winning again in November.
I'm not whistling past and graveyard since I'm an independent observer. If I was in Hawaii I may have considered voting for Djou. All is not as it may seem Sat in you assessment of my motivations.
If you cared to read and understand my original post, I tongue and cheeked the BUT ,,, don't forget,, it's just a small group of crazy "tea baggers"! that many have "blamed" the recent election results on
They can't have it both ways
Either the Tea Parties are a far right radical fringe or there really is a LARGE movement afoot
In that Djou ( and Brown,, and others ) are NOT far right ideologues tells me it's the latter, not the former
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:54:44am |
re: #418 MandyManners
In the My Favorites that are still lost I have a link to a video of a bunny breaking up a fight between chickens.
Or, it's a chicken breaking up a fight between bunnies. I can't remember.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:55:17am |
re: #419 palomino
Did you actually look at the results? The GOP won the seat with 39% of the vote. The other 61% went to the TWO Democratic candidates.
Had the Dems narrowed their field to one candidate, they clearly would have retained the seat.
And if the repubs did the same in NY 23 ,,,,,SO?
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Jadespring Sun, May 23, 2010 9:55:32am |
re: #421 MandyManners
Or, it's a chicken breaking up a fight between bunnies. I can't remember.
Either way it sounds pretty funny.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:55:46am |
re: #420 sattv4u2
If you cared to read and understand my original post, I tongue and cheeked the BUT ,,, don't forget,, it's just a small group of crazy "tea baggers"! that many have "blamed" the recent election results on
They can't have it both ways
Either the Tea Parties are a far right radical fringe or there really is a LARGE movement afoot
In that Djou ( and Brown,, and others ) are NOT far right ideologues tells me it's the latter, not the former
Brown got about $200,000.00 from some TP organization. Coakley got about $740,000.00 from SEIU.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 9:56:03am |
re: #399 Aceofwhat?
sure...but i like minimizing and diminishing them whenever possible, even if only in a rhetorical sense. why grant them the credit they seek?
Because then people might take them seriously.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:56:35am |
re: #423 Jadespring
Either way it sounds pretty funny.
Oh, it is.
I look forward to dealing with Gary from Pakistan tomorrow. Or, Stefan from Romania.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 9:57:20am |
re: #422 sattv4u2
And if the repubs did the same in NY 23 ,,,SO?
What does NY23 have to do with your contention that HI is indicative of some huge movement? You're changing the subject.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 9:58:34am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:59:08am |
re: #427 palomino
What does NY23 have to do with your contention that HI is indicative of some huge movement? You're changing the subject.
No. YOU stated(correctly) that the dem/left vote was spilt. IF they ran one candidate instead of 2 they probably would have won
Thats the same that happened in NY 23. Two right candidates split the vote allowing the Dem to (narrowley) get the seat
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 9:59:55am |
re: #427 palomino
re: #429 sattv4u2
No. YOU stated(correctly) that the dem/left vote was spilt. IF they ran one candidate instead of 2 they probably would have won
Thats the same that happened in NY 23. Two right candidates split the vote allowing the Dem to (narrowley) get the seat
and BTW ,,, NY 23 ,,,,, a traditional dem seat ,,, much like the Hawaii one
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 10:00:12am |
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 10:00:52am |
re: #420 sattv4u2
If you cared to read and understand my original post, I tongue and cheeked the BUT ,,, don't forget,, it's just a small group of crazy "tea baggers"! that many have "blamed" the recent election results on
They can't have it both ways
Either the Tea Parties are a far right radical fringe or there really is a LARGE movement afoot
In that Djou ( and Brown,, and others ) are NOT far right ideologues tells me it's the latter, not the former
It's not rocket science. This is American politics. American's get tired of the Democrats so they'll vote for a Republican in the next election cycle. This tendency is lower with the House and higher with the Senate. It plays a primary role in presidential elections.
With Djou in Hawaii I look at the basic math. Djou got 1/3rd of the vote. The other two Democrats got 1/3rd each. 2 x 1/3 = 2/3 which is greater than 1/3. In any event, if Djou doesn't win again in November the Republican party is sure to make significant gains on election day.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:02:21am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 10:03:37am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:04:21am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:05:02am |
re: #434 MandyManners
Why do people use a soft "c" with that name?
Don't mention soft while discussing Aces appendages!
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:05:39am |
re: #429 sattv4u2
No. YOU stated(correctly) that the dem/left vote was spilt. IF they ran one candidate instead of 2 they probably would have won
Thats the same that happened in NY 23. Two right candidates split the vote allowing the Dem to (narrowley) get the seat
But I never claimed that NY23 was an indicator of some huge movement. Trying to infer a large movement based on any single House race doesn't make sense, especially in a screwed up special election.
BTW, the Dem who won the NY23 race got 49% of the vote. The GOP candidate who dropped out got only 6%, so the vote splitting explanation there is pretty thin.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 10:06:07am |
re: #433 sattv4u2
BTW ,,, two words
BOSTON
CELTICS
I'm rooting for them! Not a sore loser...last night was awesome. Rondo, on the floor, stealing it from Jason Williams - loved it!
Beat LA!
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 10:07:04am |
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:08:21am |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 10:08:42am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:14:09am |
re: #440 palomino
Where are you getting this? It's a traditional Dem seat? Except that NY23 was held by two different Republicans from 1992-2009.
23-73 (50 years ) dem
79-93 (14 years ) dem
total ,,,,64 years
74-78 (4 years) repub
92-09 (17 years) repub
total ,, 21 years
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Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 10:16:11am |
Oh my God.
NEW YORK -- Former All-Star right-hander Jose Lima died Sunday morning at his home in Los Angeles at the age of 37.
The cause of death was ruled a heart attack, according to his wife, Dorca Astacio.
Lima time! Damn.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:17:25am |
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:23:15am |
re: #442 sattv4u2
23-73 (50 years ) dem
79-93 (14 years ) demtotal ,,,64 years
74-78 (4 years) repub
92-09 (17 years) repubtotal ,, 21 years
Certain things get lost in translation when you go back that far, like where the district actually is.
From 1913-1983, NY 23 was located in NYC, and included parts of the Bronx and Manhattan; as such it was a Dem stronghold.
Since it was moved to its present location in 1993, it had been exclusively a gop district. NY-23.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 10:24:02am |
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:25:20am |
re: #443 Stanley Sea
Oh my God.
Lima time! Damn.
As a native Houstonian and long suffering Astros fan, I remember him well.
He had one really good year with the Astros. Before that season, he predicted he'd win 20 games...then he went out and did it. Never was the same after that year.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 10:25:26am |
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 23, 2010 10:27:22am |
re: #434 MandyManners
Why do people use a soft "c" with that name?
I say Keltiks. Pisses off the fans no end.
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MandyManners Sun, May 23, 2010 10:29:40am |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 23, 2010 10:31:23am |
re: #450 Cato the Elder
I say Keltiks. Pisses off the fans no end.
pissing off sports fans is such a guilty pleasure...
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:31:53am |
Further proof of Palin insanity--she calls Maddow prejudiced for her interview with Rand Paul.
She also claims that the "gotcha" media is after Rand. Something she doesn't have to worry about, as she only speaks to Fox, which does all its gotcha in the other direction.
Check out the syntax in this one long quote. Stream of consciousness absurdity.
"One thing we can learn in this lesson that I have learned and Rand Paul is learning now is don't assume that you can engage in a hypothetical discussion about constitutional impacts with a reporter or a media personality who has an agenda, who may be prejudiced before they even get into the interview in regards to what your answer may be," Palin said. "You know, they are looking for the gotcha moment. And that evidently appears to be what they did with Rand Paul, and I'm thankful he clarified his answer about his support for the Civil Rights Act."
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 10:34:48am |
re: #449 Stanley Sea
I'm in shock. Wow.
I really hate to say this..I really do...But baseball has been a dirty sport for the last 15 years...Every drug from speed to Coke to 'Roids to everything a lab can produce...
I hope this isn't the case...Have you guys ever googled how many pro Wrestlers have died from Drugs? There is a Database on line..
This sucks
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ryannon Sun, May 23, 2010 10:34:51am |
re: #192 dugmartsch
So, I don't know if anyone here uses Yahoo!, but I've been using it as my homepage going on a decade and a half now. It's stayed around out of inertia, basically, when everyone else went to google news or just google.com or whatever else.
But recently Yahoo has enabled comments on their news articles and I was actually pretty shocked at the results. It was kind of a wake up call to what kind of a backwoods Yahoo has turned into, especially considering how amazing it seemed back in '95.
Check out the comments to this thread about the Republicans barely winning a seat with two strong democrats and one republican in the race. If there's one Democrat it's an absolute trouncing, but somehow the story gets wedged into the Republican wave narrative that the AP seems to dig so much.
The really shocking thing isn't thatt the comments are being made, it's that the most zenophobic, racist, paranoid comments are updinged to the moon.
Like I said I had no idea yahoo was such a backwater kind of place.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
(equals equals updings minus downdings)
Some Samples:
The only question is:
"Will the same dead voters vote for another non-documented immigrant?"
(+550 updings)
How many places can this Barack Hussein Obama fellow be from? Was he not from Chicago of Illinois most recently? When was he ever in Honolulu of Hawaii as an adult? I am most certainly not clear on Indonesia and Kenya...
(+400 updings)
I didn't know Kenya has a Conressional seat
(+250 updings)
You can trace the rise of crime and violence in America to the beginnings of the Democratic Party’s welfare programs.
(+200 updings)
What do you expect from a company named "Yahoo"?
Yahoos, natch.
Yahoo is so last century.
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ryannon Sun, May 23, 2010 10:36:13am |
re: #193 pingjockey
Doom and Gloom.
I'm worried about the Iranians and the bomb.
The S. Koreans and the Norks.
Don't know how the rest of it will play out.
Buy Golden Seeds!
Pigeon Guano is where it's going to be at.
And I'm already right on the bus.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 10:37:21am |
re: #454 HoosierHoops
I really hate to say this..I really do...But baseball has been a dirty sport for the last 15 years...Every drug from speed to Coke to 'Roids to everything a lab can produce...
I hope this isn't the case...Have you guys ever googled how many pro Wrestlers have died from Drugs? There is a Database on line..
This sucks
Yeah, agree. Too young for an "athlete" to die.
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 10:37:34am |
re: #440 palomino
Where are you getting this? It's a traditional Dem seat? Except that NY23 was held by two different Republicans from 1992-2009.
Here's the breakdown for Hawaii:
(R) DJOU, Charles 67,610 39.4%
(D) HANABUSA, Colleen 52,802 30.8%
(D) CASE, Ed 47,391 27.6%
[Link: hawaii.gov...]
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webevintage Sun, May 23, 2010 10:38:04am |
re: #397 Alouette
Have you made plans for Life after LOST?
I don't know about anyone else, but I will take to my bed in mourning for a day and then move on like I did after Battlestar ended.
I think we are gonna start watching Fringe via netflix since there is not much (except Trueblood and Burn Notice) that is getting ready to start in the next month or so.
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 10:38:15am |
re: #442 sattv4u2
23-73 (50 years ) dem
79-93 (14 years ) demtotal ,,,64 years
74-78 (4 years) repub
92-09 (17 years) repubtotal ,, 21 years
What palomino said in 446. Plus:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
New York's 23rd congressional district has historically been one of the most Republican districts in the United States. The district's seat had been in Republican hands since 1873. The far northern portion of the district—including the largest city, Watertown — had not been represented by a Democrat since the 1850s. In parts of the district, the last non-Republican to represent the district had been a Whig.
Were you hibernating at the time of the special election? That NY-23 was a safe Republican seat since forever was all over the news at the time.
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ryannon Sun, May 23, 2010 10:38:38am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:38:41am |
re: #454 HoosierHoops
I really hate to say this..I really do...But baseball has been a dirty sport for the last 15 years...Every drug from speed to Coke to 'Roids to everything a lab can produce...
I hope this isn't the case...Have you guys ever googled how many pro Wrestlers have died from Drugs? There is a Database on line..
This sucks
the last 15?
If you have never read it, or even if you have, revisit Jim Boutons book "Ball Four". iirc, he stated that there were bowls full of bennies, uppers etc available in Major League clubhouses back then (book was a diary about the 1969 season)
Makes sense. Play a game that lasts till midnight. By the time you shower and go out for a bite and a beer, have to be at the ballpark at 10 am for a game at 1 pm
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:40:35am |
re: #458 Gus 802
Here's the breakdown for Hawaii:
(R) DJOU, Charles 67,610 39.4%
(D) HANABUSA, Colleen 52,802 30.8%
(D) CASE, Ed 47,391 27.6%[Link: hawaii.gov...]
Yeah, this was a self-inflicted Dem clusterfuck, not some GOP takeover.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 10:40:42am |
re: #453 palomino
"One thing we can learn in this lesson that I have learned and Rand Paul is learning now is don't assume that you can engage in a hypothetical discussion about constitutional impacts with a reporter or a media personality who has an agenda, who may be prejudiced before they even get into the interview in regards to what your answer may be," Palin said.
lol
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 10:41:22am |
re: #453 palomino
Further proof of Palin insanity--she calls Maddow prejudiced for her interview with Rand Paul.
She also claims that the "gotcha" media is after Rand. Something she doesn't have to worry about, as she only speaks to Fox, which does all its gotcha in the other direction.
Check out the syntax in this one long quote. Stream of consciousness absurdity.
"One thing we can learn in this lesson that I have learned and Rand Paul is learning now is don't assume that you can engage in a hypothetical discussion about constitutional impacts with a reporter or a media personality who has an agenda, who may be prejudiced before they even get into the interview in regards to what your answer may be," Palin said. "You know, they are looking for the gotcha moment. And that evidently appears to be what they did with Rand Paul, and I'm thankful he clarified his answer about his support for the Civil Rights Act."
New rules for Rand Paul? Or is that old rules? Look for quick revisionism on Rand Pauls current discombobulation regarding Civil Rights and other previous views (GITMO, War in Iraq, conspiracy theories, etc.). The tactic will be to "blame the media" and limit his appearances not unlike they did with Sarah Palin.
It's funny to see Rand Paul as "one of us" (from the GOP's perspective) when only last year he was considered "one of them" from the tin foil hat section of The Big Tent.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:42:08am |
re: #461 Nimed
Since 1923
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
64 years Dem
21 years Repub
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 23, 2010 10:42:12am |
re: #463 sattv4u2
Very True..I was being kind..
How many of our Childhood Hero's were speed freaks? And what about Bonds? A synthetic monster via 'roids...Dirty freaking sport
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 10:44:16am |
re: #466 Gus 802
It's also funny to watch the wingnuts misinterpret furor over Rand's stance against civil rights. They think that if the lefties are outraged then Rand must be doing something right.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:45:03am |
Dammit ,,,
bbl,,,, my renter just showed up with a cop. Seems as if someone stole the compressor out of one of the A/C units at the house
Oh ,,, joy!!
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webevintage Sun, May 23, 2010 10:45:05am |
re: #429 sattv4u2
No. YOU stated(correctly) that the dem/left vote was spilt. IF they ran one candidate instead of 2 they probably would have won
I think the DNC basically threw up their hands and said fuck it there because they could not get one of the Dem candidates to drop out. They deserved to lose since neither would step aside.
On the other hand this silly bit from Huffpo:
Charles Djou's win Saturday is the latest triumph for the GOP as it looks to take back control of Congress.
Is just stupid since this election was the first special election that the RNC has one since Brown.
7 losses in special elections since Brown and this is touted as a "triumph" because they won an election that had a ticket that split the Dem vote.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:45:28am |
re: #465 Killgore Trout
Palin: "One thing we can learn in this lesson that I have learned and Rand Paul is learning now is..."
WTF?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, May 23, 2010 10:45:59am |
re: #430 sattv4u2
re: #429 sattv4u2
and BTW ,,, NY 23 ,,, a traditional dem seat ,,, much like the Hawaii one
re: #442 sattv4u2
23-73 (50 years ) dem
79-93 (14 years ) demtotal ,,,64 years
74-78 (4 years) repub
92-09 (17 years) repubtotal ,, 21 years
You're talking about the number designation NY-23, not the geographic region that the number represents, which has changed over the years due to periodic redistricting. Your "analysis" is bullshit and constitutes a obvious attempt at deception. Stop it.
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 10:46:10am |
re: #469 Killgore Trout
It's also funny to watch the wingnuts misinterpret furor over Rand's stance against civil rights. They think that if the lefties are outraged then Rand must be doing something right.
It could be summed up as "if they're against it we're for it!"
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Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 10:46:52am |
re: #453 palomino
Did they ask Sarah about Rand's stance on the American's With Disabilities Act?
I'd tolerate her word salad to hear her answer on that one.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 23, 2010 10:47:15am |
Steele refuses to denounce Rand Paul: I cant condemn a persons view.
Steele not only refuses to denounce Rand but he defends him as an opponent of big government.
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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 23, 2010 10:47:16am |
re: #467 sattv4u2
Since 1923
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]64 years Dem
21 years Repub[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
To quote that Wikipedia article you link to:
In most of the geographic area that now makes up NY-23, Owens is the first Democrat to be elected since the 19th century. The district has only been in its current form since 2003, due to repeated reapportionment and renumbering of districts. A large portion of the district—including the largest city, Watertown—has not been represented by a Democrat since the 1850's. In parts of the current 23rd district, for example Franklin county, the last non-Republican representative was a Whig, George A. Simmons, elected in 1852 in what was then NY-16.
I realise the narrative you want to believe is that all signs, including a Democratic win in a longterm Republican area, are signs of impending doom for the wicked Democrats, their puppet leader, and their little dogs too. But even your own links are showing you up. Pull back from this one and move on.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 23, 2010 10:47:16am |
re: #473 goddamnedfrank
You're right ,, because in the annals of elections NO other districts lines have ever been altered ,, Nope , non,, never happens ,, ya got me !!
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 10:48:04am |
re: #472 palomino
Palin: "One thing we can learn in this lesson that I have learned and Rand Paul is learning now is..."
WTF?
This one caught my eye:
...a media personality who has an agenda, who may be prejudiced ...
Let's see. A person that has an agenda is already defined as being prejudiced.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:48:12am |
re: #466 Gus 802
New rules for Rand Paul? Or is that old rules? Look for quick revisionism on Rand Pauls current discombobulation regarding Civil Rights and other previous views (GITMO, War in Iraq, conspiracy theories, etc.). The tactic will be to "blame the media" and limit his appearances not unlike they did with Sarah Palin.
It's funny to see Rand Paul as "one of us" (from the GOP's perspective) when only last year he was considered "one of them" from the tin foil hat section of The Big Tent.
You're right: the status of the Pauls has changed within the GOP. It's the result of tea party hysteria and the realization that a new direction was needed after 2006-2008; problem is they seem to have chosen "over the cliff" as their new direction.
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 10:49:11am |
re: #480 palomino
You're right: the status of the Pauls has changed within the GOP. It's the result of tea party hysteria and the realization that a new direction was needed after 2006-2008; problem is they seem to have chosen "over the cliff" as their new direction.
Who was it that said "they may be crazy but they're our crazies"? I think it was Dick Armey.
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webevintage Sun, May 23, 2010 10:49:51am |
Did anyone post this yet?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Deepwater Horizon survivors allege they were kept in seclusion after rig explosion, coerced into signing legal waivers
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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 23, 2010 10:51:43am |
re: #474 Gus 802
It could be summed up as "if they're against it we're for it!"
I say again, this is the only guiding principle of the Conservative cult. There's no other issue that trumps this one - everything else is negotiable. The only one that matters is that if 'liberals' are for it, it must be bad, and if 'liberals' are against something, it must be at least partly good and right.
And if it's completely indefensible... well, um... well, what about the liberals? They're just as bad!
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:51:58am |
re: #467 sattv4u2
Since 1923
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]64 years Dem
21 years Repub[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
OK, I'll say it again. NY23 was in a completely different part of the state up until 1993, namely NYC itself. So comparing NY23 of 1950 to NY23 of now is like comparing NYC to the part of the state that borders Canada.
You're hung up on the number; what you need to look at is the geography.
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 10:52:05am |
re: #473 goddamnedfrank
You're talking about the number designation NY-23, not the geographic region that the number represents, which has changed over the years due to periodic redistricting. Your "analysis" is bullshit and constitutes a obvious attempt at deception. Stop it.
I don't know about that. sattv4u2 can be pretty thick.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 10:53:13am |
re: #482 webevintage
Did anyone post this yet?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]Deepwater Horizon survivors allege they were kept in seclusion after rig explosion, coerced into signing legal waivers
Iceweasel did in links.
I had read that before, but the source was iffy. I guess since it's made it to yahoo news, they've confirmed it. Assholes.
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Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 10:54:03am |
re: #483 Renaissance_Man
I say again, this is the only guiding principle of the Conservative cult. There's no other issue that trumps this one - everything else is negotiable. The only one that matters is that if 'liberals' are for it, it must be bad, and if 'liberals' are against something, it must be at least partly good and right.
And if it's completely indefensible... well, um... well, what about the liberals? They're just as bad!
Heck, that's almost happening in the AFPAK war. Once they saw that Obama was going to prosecute the war they almost all turned against it overnight. If they didn't turn against it it did come with the daily hecklng from the armchair generals.
There are other examples.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, May 23, 2010 10:54:07am |
re: #474 Gus 802
It could be summed up as "if they're against it we're for it!"
Can't ever underestimate the power of resentment (and ressentiment) to influence people's voting behaviour. The GOP appears to have made the decision sometime in 2008 that they'd run on resentment and fear (xenophobia) and subsequent events have done nothing to change that- only encourage it.
I read a helluva lot of blogs from all over the spectrum. Visit any wingnut blog comment section and you'll easily find a selection of comments like this:
"I love [doing X, voting for X] because it makes liberals heads explode".
Sometimes it's a statement about the future: "I will do X or vote for Y because it pisses off liberals."
I don't see that on the left. Oh, you can find as much rage and resentment as you like on the left, at any time, but you don't get these statements about personal motivation where someone claims to do or vote for something solely because it will 'make wingnut heads explode'. That just isn't part of the mainstream of blog commentary on the left, it isn't part of our particular mythos and pattern.
And I find it very strange and telling.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 10:54:31am |
re: #483 Renaissance_Man
Pardon me, but I am not a cultist. I am a conservative. That doesn't mean anything the dems put forward I'm automatically against. If by cultists, you mean the damn socons and other asshats who've hijacked my party, you are correct.
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freetoken Sun, May 23, 2010 10:54:34am |
re: #469 Killgore Trout
It's also funny to watch the wingnuts misinterpret furor over Rand's stance against civil rights. They think that if the lefties are outraged then Rand must be doing something right.
Tribalism. Rand is of their tribe, so anyone who attacks him is the enemy and must therefore be wrong.
BTW, did you see the Pages entry I put up about your fellow Oregonian, Art Robinson? The Republicans in your state must be diehard Paulians.
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Racer X Sun, May 23, 2010 10:54:59am |
re: #438 Aceofwhat?
Beat LA!
C'mon - you all know the words! Every major city with a sports team knows the words. Let's chant together -
Beat LA!
Beat LA!
Beat LA!
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webevintage Sun, May 23, 2010 10:55:13am |
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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 23, 2010 10:56:10am |
re: #489 pingjockey
Pardon me, but I am not a cultist. I am a conservative. That doesn't mean anything the dems put forward I'm automatically against. If by cultists, you mean the damn socons and other asshats who've hijacked my party, you are correct.
That's exactly what I mean. I capitalise Conservative specifically to mean those who have stolen that term from people like yourself (and myself, though others may not agree), and corrupted it into the mockery we now see generally called 'conservative'.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 10:56:13am |
re: #473 goddamnedfrank
You're talking about the number designation NY-23, not the geographic region that the number represents, which has changed over the years due to periodic redistricting. Your "analysis" is bullshit and constitutes a obvious attempt at deception. Stop it.
Basically he came to a gunfight armed with a butter knife. And he's still trying to convince people that butter knife is really a gun.
It's like something out of Monty Python. ("your arm has been chopped off" "no it hasn't, it's just a flesh wound")
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prairiefire Sun, May 23, 2010 10:56:20am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 10:56:24am |
re: #491 Racer X
Beat the Yankees, like a gong!
LA in 5 games. Phoenix will win one at home, maybe...
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abolitionist Sun, May 23, 2010 10:57:13am |
re: #482 webevintage
Did anyone post this yet?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]Deepwater Horizon survivors allege they were kept in seclusion after rig explosion, coerced into signing legal waivers
Signed under D-U-R-E-S-S.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, May 23, 2010 10:58:05am |
re: #486 Stanley Sea
Iceweasel did in links.
I had read that before, but the source was iffy. I guess since it's made it to yahoo news, they've confirmed it. Assholes.
I haven't confirmed it myself-- I think i've only seen it at yahoo (and the guardian?) so far.
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 10:58:11am |
re: #493 Renaissance_Man
I have no idea what in hell is going on. The chairman of the RNC won't say shit about Rand "Nutbar" Paul, you have theocrats running amok with textbooks in Texas....Gaaah.
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Racer X Sun, May 23, 2010 10:59:10am |
re: #496 pingjockey
Beat the Yankees, like a gong!
LA in 5 games. Phoenix will win one at home, maybe...
The Lakers are on a roll - so is Boston. The finals are going to be epic!
| 501 |
Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 10:59:33am |
re: #488 iceweasel
I don't see that on the left. Oh, you can find as much rage and resentment as you like on the left, at any time, but you don't get these statements about personal motivation where someone claims to do or vote for something solely because it will 'make wingnut heads explode'. That just isn't part of the mainstream of blog commentary on the left, it isn't part of our particular mythos and pattern.
And I find it very strange and telling.
Exactly! You've probably read it already, but the best article on the resentment mentality is by julian sanchez:
[Link: trueslant.com...]
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pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 10:59:41am |
Ruh roh, Charles has something about someone loonier than Paul. God help me, there isn't a cluebat big enough to do the job I need to do.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 11:00:30am |
re: #474 Gus 802
It could be summed up as "if they're against it we're for it!"
Unfortunately that seems to be all of politics these days. Identity politics all everywhere.
I've long thought the appeal of Palin is that Republicans want an Obama of their own--youthful, charismatic, photogenic, able to deliver a speech. And she's "one of them" so they love her. Just missing one key ingredient, at least.
| 504 |
pingjockey Sun, May 23, 2010 11:00:39am |
re: #500 Racer X
Hopefully it will be as good as Magic/Bird. Then again, those are some large shoes to fill.
| 505 |
Gus Sun, May 23, 2010 11:00:59am |
re: #476 Killgore Trout
Steele refuses to denounce Rand Paul: I cant condemn a persons view.
[Video]Steele not only refuses to denounce Rand but he defends him as an opponent of big government.
Amazing. How can Michael Steele, as a black man, not condemn that point of view? Even George Will gets it.
| 506 |
palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 11:01:42am |
re: #475 Stanley Sea
Did they ask Sarah about Rand's stance on the American's With Disabilities Act?
I'd tolerate her word salad to hear her answer on that one.
Chris Wallace interviewed her for Foxy Sunday with Friends, or whatever they call it. He's better than most on Fox, but I doubt if he'd put her on the spot like that.
| 507 |
Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 11:01:48am |
re: #492 webevintage
duh
I keep forgetting to look at the links...
It doesn't hurt to post here too!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, May 23, 2010 11:02:36am |
re: #501 Nimed
Exactly! You've probably read it already, but the best article on the resentment mentality is by julian sanchez:
[Link: trueslant.com...]
Yes, i did see that! Good to see it again though. I think he's exactly right. There's more to say on that issue, I think.
| 509 |
palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 11:03:27am |
re: #478 sattv4u2
You're right ,, because in the annals of elections NO other districts lines have ever been altered ,, Nope , non,, never happens ,, ya got me !!
You're getting absurd. Your contention makes about as much sense as: "TX is now a blue state, because NM is next to it and they voted for Obama."
| 510 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, May 23, 2010 11:04:15am |
re: #492 webevintage
duh
I keep forgetting to look at the links...
It's good to post it in a thread!
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 11:04:36am |
re: #478 sattv4u2
You're right ,, because in the annals of elections NO other districts lines have ever been altered ,, Nope , non,, never happens ,, ya got me !!
These aren't "altered district lines" from gerrymandering. We're talking completely different, non-contiguous parts of the state.
Are you being willfully obtuse?
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 11:05:23am |
re: #481 Gus 802
Who was it that said "they may be crazy but they're our crazies"? I think it was Dick Armey.
I think LBJ said it too, but with saltier language, as was his wont.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 11:06:42am |
re: #508 iceweasel
Yes, i did see that! Good to see it again though. I think he's exactly right. There's more to say on that issue, I think.
Hi, ice. How's NYC?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:07:12am |
re: #49 Nimed
Ok, DO NOT click this link if you're impressionable. Seriously.
From HuffPo, of course:
HORROR: Famed Spanish Bullfighter GORED Through The ThroatPain pain pain pain pain...
If a picture is worth a thousand words and all that, perhaps now the Spanish will consider ending bullfights.
Aiyah.
I assume, though, that this has happened before in the history of the thing?
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 11:07:33am |
re: #487 Gus 802
Heck, that's almost happening in the AFPAK war. Once they saw that Obama was going to prosecute the war they almost all turned against it overnight. If they didn't turn against it it did come with the daily hecklng from the armchair generals.
There are other examples.
And it all gets justified by the "turnabout is fair play" rationale. This is the kind of crap that makes me think the country is moving towards ungovernability.
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Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 11:07:58am |
re: #511 palomino
These aren't "altered district lines" from gerrymandering. We're talking completely different, non-contiguous parts of the state.
Are you being willfully obtuse?
Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, May 23, 2010 11:10:26am |
re: #513 Dark_Falcon
Hi, ice. How's NYC?
DF! How ARE you? I thought you'd be away all weekend! We're having a great time and Jimmah sends his best. Did I see you have a job starting Wednesday? Congratulations!!!
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 11:10:51am |
re: #496 pingjockey
Beat the Yankees, like a gong!
LA in 5 games. Phoenix will win one at home, maybe...
As a non-Laker fan who lives in LA, I hate to say it but you are right. PHX has no chance. Nothing more smug than the bandwagon Laker fans who don't even know what's going on in the NBA the other 11 months of the year.
| 519 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:12:00am |
re: #54 palomino
There's nothing new here. Presidents always blame their failed predecessors. See Reagan with Carter, or Clinton with Bush Sr.
I know Republicans don't like to hear Bush criticized. But unemployment was 4% five years ago; and when Bush left office it was 8%. The stock market crash began when Bush was president, and the housing bubble occurred on his watch. Should we just ignore all this recent history?
Yes and no. Some things are beyond any president's control--shit happens. But in order to assess Obama, you DO need to look at Bush, and at Clinton, because people criticizing him do sometimes seem to be positing a void before him, in which everything was fine until Barack Obama took the reins.
That said, I very much want Obama to do something, ANYTHING to solve this mess in the Gulf. Now, can someone tell me what powers he actually has to do so? I understand regarding Katrina that Bush's hands were somewhat tied by state and local control. Who controls this, and who can bring them to heel?
Assuming that, no matter how scary that person is, anything can be done.
| 520 |
Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 11:12:39am |
Hoops et al, here is a photo released by the Dodgers, taken just two days ago when Lima was announced to crowd & got big ovation.
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Damn.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 11:12:48am |
re: #517 iceweasel
DF! How ARE you? I thought you'd be away all weekend! We're having a great time and Jimmah sends his best. Did I see you have a job starting Wednesday? Congratulations!!!
Yes, it's set to start on Wednesday, though my best friend has raised some concerns about it. He's not sure I should take it, since it's not a permanent position.
| 522 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:13:09am |
re: #59 letrole
I'm suggesting nobody. All I'm saying is that only BP has a financial stake, so it's down to BP trying to cap the well. Anyone else who could succeed, such as the Chinese, isn't going to do it unless there's a real incentive.
Forget about the environment. All the spilled oil has value and it's going to waste.
I'm sure the fishing and tourism industries will just be delighted to hear that the environment is less important that all that precious oil contaminating their water.
| 523 |
Nimed Sun, May 23, 2010 11:14:27am |
re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist
Aiyah.
I assume, though, that this has happened before in the history of the thing?
Oh yes. Worse even. Deaths are pretty rare, but they do occur from time to time. What makes this notorious is the gruesome photo.
Fortunately, the younger generations in Spain and Portugal are usually as disgusted by bullfighting as we are. It's just a matter of time before they end.
Three cheers for markets!
| 524 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:15:38am |
re: #79 Spare O'Lake
The skitters up here are worst in the early morning and before sunset. During the middle of the day they're not bad if it's sunny with a good stiff breeze. The black flies only last a couple of weeks where I am, but boy are they vicious tiny buggers - unlike the skitters (who just stick and suck), they literally eat little holes in you and you don't even know they've done it until you touch the spot and get a blood smear on your hand.
Ain't nature grand?
Nature is grand--but she's rooting for the black flies as much as for you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:16:28am |
re: #85 Spare O'Lake
"They Never Cease to Amaze" Alert:
What a bunch of scum.
I thought the UN were a bunch of child molesters. You can see their point.
//////oh lord//////
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webevintage Sun, May 23, 2010 11:16:55am |
re: #519 SanFranciscoZionist
That said, I very much want Obama to do something, ANYTHING to solve this mess in the Gulf. Now, can someone tell me what powers he actually has to do so? I understand regarding Katrina that Bush's hands were somewhat tied by state and local control. Who controls this, and who can bring them to heel?
I agree with your whole post and also really, really want to know what else the state and fed. gov't can do. Is it just that we can't see what all is being done?
(btw, one thing I'd like to know now is what really was said in Chaney's private meetings with energy executives.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:18:05am |
re: #93 oklahoma
Shouldn't the President of the United States see if the US Navy has some deep sea devices that could actually stop the oil spill instead of simply talking about keeping his boot on the throat of the company? Seriously, BP messed up. We got that. Now how about all hands on deck to clean this up? Did they not know the oil was coming ashore.
I don't think he said anything about putting his boot on BP's throat, I think that was Rand Paul's characterization.
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palomino Sun, May 23, 2010 11:18:59am |
re: #519 SanFranciscoZionist
Is Obama really not doing enough regarding the oil spill? Or does it just look that way because the federal govt doesn't have the expertise to stop the leak?
We're in kind of uncharted territory with a leak like this. BP certainly screwed up, but I have no reason to think they're not doing their best to plug it up. There's no plausible reason they'd want this to drag out any longer, is there?
As is often the case, Obama is getting it from both sides. Some argue that he's not blaming BP enough, while others argue that he's blaming them too much.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:20:15am |
re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee
Say what you want about OK, but it's where my father's from and there are some good people there. There's actually a Jewish commity where he grew up.
My husband was born there, so I suppose I must give Oklahoma some respect.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 11:24:05am |
re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist
I thought the UN were a bunch of child molesters. You can see their point.
///oh lord///
That "new group" sounds like a false flag for Hamas. They hate camps like that, but did not want to attack the UN openly. Hence the use of a "new group".
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swamprat Sun, May 23, 2010 11:25:45am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:26:11am |
re: #144 sandbox
We now have two successive Presidents--Bush and Obama-- who don't think enforcing our border with Mexico is part of their job.
I take it, then that you approve of Clinton's work there?
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Stanghazi Sun, May 23, 2010 11:26:27am |
re: #528 palomino
Is Obama really not doing enough regarding the oil spill? Or does it just look that way because the federal govt doesn't have the expertise to stop the leak?
We're in kind of uncharted territory with a leak like this. BP certainly screwed up, but I have no reason to think they're not doing their best to plug it up. There's no plausible reason they'd want this to drag out any longer, is there?
As is often the case, Obama is getting it from both sides. Some argue that he's not blaming BP enough, while others argue that he's blaming them too much.
Here's a story from the LA Times about the engineers and scientists convened at BP Houston. A little info when we are wondering what's going on.
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:29:26am |
re: #181 _RememberTonyC
good story ... i knew what happens when the fat lady sings, but now I know what happens when the fat lady faints!
gotta run, bro. BBL ...
We fat ladies are kind of tender-hearted. Good Lord, Hoops!
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swamprat Sun, May 23, 2010 11:34:59am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:37:15am |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
Heh. They are amazingly productive plants.
Marge Piercy wrote a poem about zucchini, in which she reminds everyone that it's a federal offense to put zucchini in a mailbox to get rid of it.
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swamprat Sun, May 23, 2010 11:39:03am |
re: #536 SanFranciscoZionist
Marge Piercy wrote a poem about zucchini, in which she reminds everyone that it's a federal offense to put zucchini in a mailbox to get rid of it.
Now there is a suggestive post.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:44:52am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:47:55am |
re: #478 sattv4u2
You're right ,, because in the annals of elections NO other districts lines have ever been altered ,, Nope , non,, never happens ,, ya got me !!
That's not what he said. What he said is that your math doesn't reflect the real situation on the ground in NY-23.
Fact of the matter is, Republicans had held the seat for fifteen-odd years, and could have kept it longer if there hadn't been such an almighty screw-up.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:50:37am |
re: #505 Gus 802
Amazing. How can Michael Steele, as a black man, not condemn that point of view? Even George Will gets it.
George Will is smarter than Michael Steele, and also, George Will is George Will. He doesn't need anybody to allow him to keep his position.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:51:46am |
re: #521 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it's set to start on Wednesday, though my best friend has raised some concerns about it. He's not sure I should take it, since it's not a permanent position.
What's the harm, though? It's at least a paycheck.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 11:54:52am |
re: #541 SanFranciscoZionist
What's the harm, though? It's at least a paycheck.
He worries that if it only lasts a month or two and I haven't found something better before it ends, I'll have to explain to interviews why I was there for so short a time.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:55:08am |
re: #530 Dark_Falcon
That "new group" sounds like a false flag for Hamas. They hate camps like that, but did not want to attack the UN openly. Hence the use of a "new group".
Palestinian groups break down into new mini-organizations faster than 70s feminists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57:18am |
re: #542 Dark_Falcon
He worries that if it only lasts a month or two and I haven't found something better before it ends, I'll have to explain to interviews why I was there for so short a time.
I think that if you annotate your resume to indicate that it was a temporary position, and perhaps get a letter of recommendation from your supervisor there, you should be fine. Also, you don't need to put it on your resume if you don't want to.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 23, 2010 12:04:01pm |
re: #544 SanFranciscoZionist
I think that if you annotate your resume to indicate that it was a temporary position, and perhaps get a letter of recommendation from your supervisor there, you should be fine. Also, you don't need to put it on your resume if you don't want to.
Cool. Thank you for the suggestions.
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kirkspencer Sun, May 23, 2010 12:30:57pm |
re: #337 wlewisiii
The problem is very simple - on any police contact, they will attempt to determine status. In practical terms this means, simply, that if you look brown, you have no right to police protection or services unless you have your birth certificate/passport on you because instead of protecting you they are going to try and throw your ass out of the country. Just because you might be an illegal...
It just became very, very, very easy to victimize these people as well because they won't dare call the cops on you even if you steal, rape or kill.
And that is why this law is evil.
William
Actually, in addition to that 'evil', it is also a bad law because of the zero tolerance enforcement mechanism. You know, the part that allows anybody to sue a law enforcement agency for failing to enforce the law.
That said, I can hardly wait for the law of unintended consequences to kick in. Bear with me as I run the scenario.
Officer pulls over car. Occupants, being proud Sovereign Citizens, do not have drivers licenses or other paper. Officer, following Arizona law, arrests them as possible illegal immigrants. Bullets or hilarity fill the rest of the program.
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