Damned if you do Damned you don’t…

It’s only slight satire. Some fundie will likely demand that at some point. Those folks are nothing if not stubborn.

Hahahahahahaha!

One of their best yet!

OK, watching for the second time now to read the scroll.

I can’t get the video to play.

“Scientists have discovered a previously unknown species of asshole!”

LOL.

re: #5 researchok

I can’t get the video to play.

My bad….Thread Killer has logged on!
Should I be taking this personally?

re: #7 reloadingisnotahobby

My bad…Thread Killer has logged on!
Should I be taking this personally?

Naw….it’s Monday.

re: #6 Cato the Elder

“Scientists have discovered a previously unknown species of asshole!”

LOL.

It’s scientific name is Assholus Wingnuttus HotAir.

“… filmed a previously unseen species of asshole”

Spying on a: frat party? Tea Party? blog stalker basement?

re: #6 Cato the Elder

“Scientists have discovered a previously unknown species of asshole!”

LOL.

like viruses they constantly mutate…

re: #5 researchok

I can’t get the video to play.

Been having that same problem all day.

New Television turns itself on when it senses you have something to do??
Gaah! I have one of those!!

re: #13 reloadingisnotahobby

New Television turns itself on when it senses you have something to do??
Gaah! I have one of those!!

you could un plug it…

re: #13 reloadingisnotahobby

New Television turns itself on when it senses you have something to do??
Gaah! I have one of those!!

My computer automatically logs me in to LGF whenever I am supposed to be doing something else. Charles is that a new feature? Or a bug?

Semi-Off Topic: I just finished watching the last episode of Lost. Two big thumbs up.

re: #14 brookly red

you could un plug it…

It’s NEVER been plugged in……Oh oh!!

re: #17 reloadingisnotahobby

It’s NEVER been plugged in…Oh oh!!

quick get some holy water…

or a shot gun :)

re: #18 brookly red

quick get some holy water…

or a shot gun :)

Or a shotgun loaded with holy water canisters…

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Semi-Off Topic: I just finished watching the last episode of Lost. Two big thumbs up.

Deep.

So deep I needed Walter to splain it to me.

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

Or a shotgun loaded with holy water canisters…

funny I just saw Hellboy last night…

re: #21 brookly red

I want the shotgun used in No Country For Old Men……Wicked bad Mojo!

I’m thinking my kid gets a better science education in Catholic school then public school. Now if I could just get them to stop devoting almost a whole day a week of education on this religion stuff…

re: #23 Jeff In Ohio

The Nuns will get you for that…

re: #23 Jeff In Ohio

I’m thinking my kid gets a better science education in Catholic school then public school.

I’ve always wondered how actually true that is from school to school.

re: #10 freetoken

Spying on a: frat party? Tea Party? blog stalker basement?

They’re is Charles-hate mode over there right now. They’re yelling about how Charles wrote about Rand Paul’s link to the Robert A. Taft club. Apparently, his guitar playing in his vacation home inside their collective head is making them nuttier than usual.

[waves]

re: #22 reloadingisnotahobby

I want the shotgun used in No Country For Old Men…Wicked bad Mojo!

I highly recommend watching No Country For Old Men back to back with The Big Lebowski for that ol’ one, two, Cohen schizophrenic punch. You will be exhausted.

re: #22 reloadingisnotahobby

I want the shotgun used in No Country For Old Men…Wicked bad Mojo!

it’s in the NRA Museum as part of a special display of Hollywood guns…of course it’s a phony, way too short to quiet down a 12g

re: #22 reloadingisnotahobby

I want the shotgun used in No Country For Old Men…Wicked bad Mojo!

hey for a demoniacally possessed TV Grand Ma’s over & under will do…

re: #20 Racer X

Deep.

So deep I needed Walter to splain it to me.

Heh. Some of the dialogue was cringe worthy but the final explanation was satisfactory to me. To think religious people are constantly complaining about the secularists in Hollywood when TV and movies turn out all this religious/spiritual content all the time.
The only thing I’m not looking forward to is that they set it up for a Hurley and Linus spinoff. It’s not going to work.

re: #28 albusteve

True!
I liked his Nitrogen powered pass key…It’s doable!

gonna go to the corner I need a slice…

re: #30 Killgore Trout

The only thing I’m not looking forward to is that they set it up for a Hurley and Linus spinoff. It’s not going to work.

re: #25 windsagio

I’ve always wondered how actually true that is from school to school.

it was true in my Catholic HS. i finished AP Calc and AP Biology as a junior, took AP Physics as a senior, and we also offered AP Chemistry.

re: #28 albusteve

it’s in the NRA Museum as part of a special display of Hollywood guns…of course it’s a phony, way too short to quiet down a 12g

It’s a cattle gun, don’t remember the technical name for it.

re: #24 reloadingisnotahobby

The Nuns will get you for that…

That’s hot.

re: #31 reloadingisnotahobby

True!
I liked his Nitrogen powered pass key…It’s doable!

re: #31 reloadingisnotahobby

True!
I liked his Nitrogen powered pass key…It’s doable!

a handy, all purpose device…everybody should have one

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Heh. Some of the dialogue was cringe worthy but the final explanation was satisfactory to me. To think religious people are constantly complaining about the secularists in Hollywood when TV and movies turn out all this religious/spiritual content all the time.
The only thing I’m not looking forward to is that they set it up for a Hurley and Linus spinoff. It’s not going to work.

I was struck by how peaceful they all were once they realized where they were.

re: #38 Racer X

May lose your hand developing the darn thing….

I don’t think you could draw up much more of a devastating Armageddon type event for humanity than a complete economic collapse would bring. Not many people in the world would be self-sufficient for food, water, medicine, etc.

re: #28 albusteve

it’s in the NRA Museum as part of a special display of Hollywood guns…of course it’s a phony, way too short to quiet down a 12g

Steve, have you heard about the troubles going on down Jamaica way? If so, what’s you take on it?

re: #36 Jeff In Ohio

That’s hot.

Hello, Paris.

re: #38 Racer X

I was struck by how peaceful they all were once they realized where they were.

Yeah, I think that was really well done. I would have been happier with a sci-fi type ending but with the angle that they chose I think it was very well done.

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Kinda scary, we’re hoping to visit there at the end of October…

The U.S. Coast Guard says BP is exhausting every technical means possible to stop the flow of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

and:

“On Sunday, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he is not completely confident that BP knows what it is doing.”

Both are true, but omit the key conclusions.

1. The lack of an effective technological means to exhaust is the real problem. They were not ready to drill at this depth safety. BP (or anyone) can not deploy technology that does not exist.

2. The converse is true, BP does not know what it is doing nor does anyone. This has been proven. We have no tested means to quickly stop a leak like this. A more acurate statement from Salazar would be:

“They are making it up as they go along to the best of their ability and with the best resources available.”

re: #45 Bagua

been said before, but its kinda frustrating that they drilled that deep anyways when they knew they didn’t have the knowhow to deal with this kind of problem >>

re: #40 Mich-again

I don’t think you could draw up much more of a devastating Armageddon type event for humanity than a complete economic collapse would bring. Not many people in the world would be self-sufficient for food, water, medicine, etc.

“There would be much time, and little to do. But ah with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present gross national product within say, twenty years.”

re: #44 Taqyia2Me

Kinda scary, we’re hoping to visit there at the end of October…

I was just there for carnival…

re: #45 Bagua

“They are making it up as they go along to the best of their ability and with the best resources available.”

Heh, you could put that on the tombstone of the society that existed on Easter Island.

re: #46 windsagio

been said before, but its kinda frustrating that they drilled that deep anyways when they knew they didn’t have the knowhow to deal with this kind of problem >>

…they had approval…

re: #46 windsagio

…and the regulatory authorities allowed themto drill without these safeguards…

re: #35 Jeff In Ohio

It’s a cattle gun, don’t remember the technical name for it.

And it’s air powered. What, none of you guys have been in a slaughter house? I used to ride my motorcycle by the Kahns plant in Cincinnati when it was in full swing. On the south end, the trains would bring the cattle and pigs in and, yes it smelled like a barn yard. 3/4 miles down the straight road, on the south end, it smelled like bacon. Mmmmm, bacon. I got a tour once with my pal from the Cincinnati Enquirer…um, yuk.

Now if you’ve never been on a farm during round up the cows and send them for slaughter time, that’s interesting also. In the 70’s as the cows were brought into the pen and funneled through a gate system that gradually brought them down to single file, my cousin Sammy would inject them with a shitload of tranc (thoriazine?) to keep them calm on the trip to the meat processor. Did I mention they were grass fed and free range cows?

Toss me another steak on the ol’ grill.

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I think that was really well done. I would have been happier with a sci-fi type ending but with the angle that they chose I think it was very well done.

Suppose I’ll have to take a look.

‘Lost’ Possibly Still Airing In Parallel Dimension, Desperate Fans Report
May 24, 2010

re: #50 Aceofwhat?

re: #51 Taqyia2Me

I’m not saying the government is blameless :p

If I thought it wouldn’t bore you guys to tears I could spend hours on the subject of ‘regulators controlled by the industries they’re regulating’.

Nevertheless…

re: #48 ShaunP

I was just there for carnival…

That sounds fun!

My parents paid for me to attend 12 years of Catholic school. My oldest son on the other hand went to public school for 12 years. He entered college far more prepared for engineering classes than I was and he was far less exposed to drugs and alcohol than I was in high school. I know so many parents who just think you can write a check for Catholic school and everything will be fine with their kid. It doesn’t work like that.

re: #45 Bagua

Salazar would be:

“They are making it up as they go along to the best of their ability and with the best resources available.”

“and we don’t have a fucking clue as to what to do.”

re: #54 windsagio

re: #51 Taqyia2Me

I’m not saying the government is blameless :p

If I thought it wouldn’t bore you guys to tears I could spend hours on the subject of ‘regulators controlled by the industries they’re regulating’.

Nevertheless…

wait, i thought that was just a Bush phenomenon;)

(come on…you saw that coming, right?)

re: #52 Jeff In Ohio

And it’s air powered. What, none of you guys have been in a slaughter house? I used to ride my motorcycle by the Kahns plant in Cincinnati when it was in full swing. On the south end, the trains would bring the cattle and pigs in and, yes it smelled like a barn yard. 3/4 miles down the straight road, on the south end, it smelled like bacon. Mmmm, bacon. I got a tour once with my pal from the Cincinnati Enquirer…um, yuk.

Now if you’ve never been on a farm during round up the cows and send them for slaughter time, that’s interesting also. In the 70’s as the cows were brought into the pen and funneled through a gate system that gradually brought them down to single file, my cousin Sammy would inject them with a shitload of tranc (thoriazine?) to keep them calm on the trip to the meat processor. Did I mention they were grass fed and free range cows?

Toss me another steak on the ol’ grill.

Haven’t got a steak. Got burgers, though. Thanks for doing the grilling tonight, though you’ll also be responsible for grilling any trolls who show up.

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Steve, have you heard about the troubles going on down Jamaica way? If so, what’s you take on it?

re: #55 Taqyia2Me

That sounds fun!

It was awesome. We also the first rain they had seen in like four months. They’re under a terrible drought…

The political situation is just unthinkable though. The gangs and politicians are inseparable, so I’m not sure what they can really do to quell the violence. Hopefully things die down soon…

re: #552 (downstairs) Rightwingconspirator

I know nothing of drilling for oil. The dip stick on my car is as close as I get.

Okay this relief well thing I get, drilling nearby to intercept the oil before it gets to the leak. What puzzles me, is why not bring a whole new platform over-remove the old b.o.p., replace that with a good one and establish another pipe up to the platform. In other words replace the whole thing with a proper intact platform, pipe, BOP the works.

A top to bottom replacement setup. Why is that not faster/better?

That is scheduled to be tried after the top kill attempts, assuming they don’t fail or blow up what is still intact. The idea will be to either cut just above or below the damaged BOP stack, and mate another BOP stack, and shut down the flow.

Sounds rosy if it works, but if it makes the leak jump to 60,000 barrels a day we’ll rue the day it was attempted. I expect we are heading to that sort of increase anyway, so it may be a mute point when it is ready to be tried.

re: #56 Mich-again

My parents paid for me to attend 12 years of Catholic school. My oldest son on the other hand went to public school for 12 years. He entered college far more prepared for engineering classes than I was and he was far less exposed to drugs and alcohol than I was in high school. I know so many parents who just think you can write a check for Catholic school and everything will be fine with their kid. It doesn’t work like that.

very true. i drove 35 min to a Catholic HS because both the public school and the Catholic school down the street were awful.

re: #58 Aceofwhat?

wait, i thought that was just a Bush phenomenon;)

(come on…you saw that coming, right?)

I wouldn’t suggest for both of our sakes we mention Bush in that context.

/altho in fairness Clinton was just about as bad >>

re: #51 Taqyia2Me

…and the regulatory authorities allowed themto drill without these safeguards…

and all the new permits since the spill, oy.

[Link: www.sfgate.com…]

re: #62 Aceofwhat?

very true. i drove 35 min to a Catholic HS because both the public school and the Catholic school down the street were awful.

“No home training—we can’t do a thing if there’s no home training.”
—Sister Marita, DP

re: #45 Bagua

The U.S. Coast Guard says BP is exhausting every technical means possible to stop the flow of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

and:

“On Sunday, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he is not completely confident that BP knows what it is doing.”

Both are true, but omit the key conclusions.

1. The lack of an effective technological means to exhaust is the real problem. They were not ready to drill at this depth safety. BP (or anyone) can not deploy technology that does not exist.

2. The converse is true, BP does not know what it is doing nor does anyone. This has been proven. We have no tested means to quickly stop a leak like this. A more acurate statement from Salazar would be:

“They are making it up as they go along to the best of their ability and with the best resources available.”

The politically expedient route now is to criticize BP for taking to long to stop the flow of oil from the damaged well. Ken Salazar took a small opportunity, on a Sunday no less, to feed his based supporters.

Some are calling for BP to be pushed aside but I agree with Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen who responded to that by stating, “with what?” The only alternative to BP would be another oil and drilling operator. Right now the most knowledgeable operator of this well would be BP. Replacing them with another entity would only hamper efforts.

Other than private drilling contractors there is no government department even remotely capable of handling this BOP and that includes the USCG.

re: #6 Cato the Elder

“Scientists have discovered a previously unknown species of asshole!”

LOL.

The “Cato breed?”

/or perhaps the Walter? :p

re: #46 windsagio

been said before, but its kinda frustrating that they drilled that deep anyways when they knew they didn’t have the knowhow to deal with this kind of problem >>

That is my key point. They are out of their depth and both the industry and the regulators were negligent in not requiring better technology to be developed and proven prior to drilling at this depth.

re: #68 Bagua

News flash….
How about drilling on DRY LAND!!!

re: #66 Gus 802

Perhaps we Americans have been so used to calling 911 in times of trouble that we now think that there is someone/something automatically waiting at the end of a telephone somewhere that can respond to any issue?

re: #69 reloadingisnotahobby

News flash…
How about drilling on DRY LAND!!!

nope can’t do that, caribou you know.

re: #62 Aceofwhat?

very true. i drove 35 min to a Catholic HS because both the public school and the Catholic school down the street were awful.

I went to Catholic School…An altar boy also

re: #69 reloadingisnotahobby

News flash…
How about drilling on DRY LAND!!!

Khazakstan or Iraq - that’s your choice if you want anything approaching the flow of oil we get out of the GoM.

And of course, wells are drilled everyday on land on the US. Only Limbaugh et. al. don’t want their idiot-ditto-heads to know that.

re: #66 Gus 802

Exactly.

re: #71 brookly red

We both know ANWAR is NOT the only place KNOWN to have the best oil.
It bubbles up out of the ground near Santa Barbara!

re: #70 freetoken

Perhaps we Americans have been so used to calling 911 in times of trouble that we now think that there is someone/something automatically waiting at the end of a telephone somewhere that can respond to any issue?

I take it you have never lived in NYC…

re: #72 HoosierHoops

I went to Catholic School…An altar boy also

good experience with regard to academics?

re: #58 Aceofwhat?

wait, i thought that was just a Bush phenomenon;)

(come on…you saw that coming, right?)

Which is exactly why Obama SHOULD have seen it coming.

re: #70 freetoken

well said-

re: #75 reloadingisnotahobby

We both know ANWAR is NOT the only place KNOWN to have the best oil.
It bubbles up out of the ground near Santa Barbara!

and the best wind is off Martha’s Vineyard… funny that.

re: #76 brookly red

I take it you have never lived in NYC…

Point taken.

re: #72 HoosierHoops

I went to Catholic School…An altar boy also

I went to public school. I was a bad, very bad boy.

The wife looked at me and said..”dinner”!
What do ya think she meant by that…?

Did You Know?

• An angel will fall from heaven to unleash the locusts.
• The locusts will sting painfully like scorpions, but their bites will not be fatal.
• The locusts will be fist-sized, with human intelligence, to better torment those without the Seal of the Living God on their foreheads.

re: #56 Mich-again

My parents paid for me to attend 12 years of Catholic school. My oldest son on the other hand went to public school for 12 years. He entered college far more prepared for engineering classes than I was and he was far less exposed to drugs and alcohol than I was in high school. I know so many parents who just think you can write a check for Catholic school and everything will be fine with their kid. It doesn’t work like that.

Absolutely.
You have to choose the school carefully.
There’s one Catholic HS here that I would never have sent my daughter to, not in a million years.

re: #70 freetoken

Perhaps we Americans have been so used to calling 911 in times of trouble that we now think that there is someone/something automatically waiting at the end of a telephone somewhere that can respond to any issue?

Right. And as many of us have learned after calling 911 that even then they might not have all the answers we need. Especially with regards to neighbor disputes and trapped pets.

No one was prepared for this and that includes BP. However, BP is the best choice at this time to troubleshoot the problem since it’s their drilling site.

I think people need to be reminded about disasters and expectations of immediate disaster relief from time to time. Other potential disasters remain such as a catastrophic earthquake in California. If one is to hit there will be massive casualties unlike we’ve ever seen before in the history of this nation. We also remain unprepared by and large for massive wildfire and forest fires. Much work remains to be done regarding hurricane disasters.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

re: #74 Bagua

Exactly.

I get the feeling the general public probably thinks drilling the relief wells is like digging through beach sand.

People need to remain calm.

re: #25 windsagio

I’ve always wondered how actually true that is from school to school.

Both the Catholic schools I’ve worked in have had gonzo good science teachers.

re: #84 Etaoin Shrdlu

Did You Know?

• An angel will fall from heaven to unleash the locusts.
• The locusts will sting painfully like scorpions, but their bites will not be fatal.
• The locusts will be fist-sized, with human intelligence, to better torment those without the Seal of the Living God on their foreheads.

I’ll wait for the movie.

re: #84 Etaoin Shrdlu

Did You Know?

• An angel will fall from heaven to unleash the locusts.
• The locusts will sting painfully like scorpions, but their bites will not be fatal.
• The locusts will be fist-sized, with human intelligence, to better torment those without the Seal of the Living God on their foreheads.

And their leader will be called Apollyon.

re: #84 Etaoin Shrdlu

sarcasm or crazy?

re: #69 reloadingisnotahobby

News flash…
How about drilling on DRY LAND!!!

News flash: Tiber well, shallow water wells and land based wells are declining. The deep water drilling is keeping the overall supply stable. For this to remain the case, the percentage supplied by the deep water in the GOM needs to keeps increasing.

re: #84 Etaoin Shrdlu

Did You Know?

• An angel will fall from heaven to unleash the locusts.
• The locusts will sting painfully like scorpions, but their bites will not be fatal.
• The locusts will be fist-sized, with human intelligence, to better torment those without the Seal of the Living God on their foreheads.

I will bet on our roaches kicking your locusts asses 3 to 1…

re: #92 Aceofwhat?

He has a freakin’ awesome name either way.

re: #87 Truman

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

“A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity. “

re: #95 windsagio

He has a freakin’ awesome name either way.

tru dat

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

And their leader will be called Apollyon.

thats what the make speedos out of right?

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

Both the Catholic schools I’ve worked in have had gonzo good science teachers.

As did my daughter’s school.

re: #99 reine.de.tout

so yeah its about what I thought ‘no free lunch’.

Has anyone here ever grown rice before?

re: #93 Bagua

News flash: Tiber well, shallow water wells and land based wells are declining. The deep water drilling is keeping the overall supply stable. For this to remain the case, the percentage supplied by the deep water in the GOM needs to keeps increasing.

Meanwhile they’re going to be counting birds and bats for the next 10 years before they’ll feel comfortable about wind farms.

Then you have to deal with the resistance to scraping up 5000 acres of desert wild lands to construct solar power sites. Yep, that’s what it takes to create mass solar energy. It requires roads, gravel, asphalt, and an infrastructure in what they commonly call “open space.”

And forget about Yucca Mountain.

re: #77 Aceofwhat?

good experience with regard to academics?

Oh Boy…I was Adopted when I was 12 by a very..And trust me on this..Very Catholic Family…Very…
I went to Church..Became an Altar boy…Fell in love with my new family and I feel I am the luckiest man in the world…
Honest to God…This is a true story..And I’ve told it here before..
I got down on my fricking knees and begged my dad to go to Public High School…The Catholic guy that makes Mel Gibson look like a pussy..I begged that man with real tears in my eyes.. Please..Let me go to Public School…And he released me like the Black Sheep of the Family….You know I love my family..Cause I know when I first when to Napa JUCO to play Ball they were thinking ‘Where did we go wrong?’ Look..I just can’t do the Catholic JV Pops….I cried my eyes out and pops felt the Pain…I will love my folks forever

re: #83 reloadingisnotahobby

The wife looked at me and said..”dinner”!
What do ya think she meant by that…?

Google it.

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Has anyone here ever grown rice before?

“You’re crazy, man. I like you…but you’re crazy.”

—Will Ferrel, Old School

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Has anyone here ever grown rice before?

I got some of last years Chinese take out in the back of the fridge… the rice is growing something for sure but I don’t think it’s more rice… does that count?

re: #96 Aceofwhat?

“A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity. “

I think that Frost was the last American poetic genius ( Bod Dylan aside).

re: #102 Gus 802

And forget about Yucca Mountain.

“I am proud that after over two decades of fighting the proposed Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump, the project is finally being terminated.”

Go fuck yourself, Harry Reid. The solution to the considerable anti-science on the right is not to try to match them with your own stupid.

re: #107 Truman

I think that Frost was the last American poetic genius ( Bod Dylan aside).

we’re going to get along just fine—

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Has anyone here ever grown rice before?

No, but I was around it for a couple years. With a Huey’s doors open, you can smell the paddies at 1000 ft.

re: #105 Aceofwhat?

“You’re crazy, man. I like you…but you’re crazy.”

—Will Ferrel, Old School

Yeah, I think my obsession with garden experiments has reached the point that I fear to go further. I swear I’m stopping with rice this year.

re: #106 brookly red

I got some of last years Chinese take out in the back of the fridge… the rice is growing something for sure but I don’t think it’s more rice… does that count?

you outdid yourself there. next beer’s on me.

re: #108 Aceofwhat?

“I am proud that after over two decades of fighting the proposed Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump, the project is finally being terminated.”

Go fuck yourself, Harry Reid. The solution to the considerable anti-science on the right is not to try to match them with your own stupid.

“Harry Reid speaking on behalf of American Luddites.”

re: #110 Decatur Deb

No, but I was around it for a couple years. With a Huey’s doors open, you can smell the paddies at 1000 ft.

What do they smell like?

re: #84 Etaoin Shrdlu

RAD

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I think my obsession with garden experiments has reached the point that I fear to go further. I swear I’m stopping with rice this year.

hell no. stories of you creeping around your backyard, flashlight in hand, checking on earthworms or tadpoles or rice paddies…it’s one of my favorite staples of LGF. and i mean that sincerely-

don’t quit on me…we’re all crazy…your flavor just happens to be more endearing than most.

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Yeah I figure it can’t be that difficult. I’m just trying to guestimate how much rice I’ll get per plant. Maybe a 1/2 cup of dried rice per plant is my guess.

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

And their leader will be called Apollyon.

Really? I’m pretty sure the next line starts out “Locust bites will …”.

Are some of you into Slipknot?

The bassist was found dead today.

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

re: #118 Etaoin Shrdlu

Really? I’m pretty sure the next line starts out “Locust bites will …”.

This is either a really good metal song, or David Koresh’s personal gospel…either way, i think i’m enjoying it…

re: #109 Aceofwhat?

Thanks Ace. I love Frost and Dylan.

re: #119 Stanley Sea

Are some of you into Slipknot?

The bassist was found dead today.

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

i thought they were awful. but my best wishes go out to his family…

re: #118 Etaoin Shrdlu

Really? I’m pretty sure the next line starts out “Locust bites will …”.

I was just adding a detail. That’s all.

re: #102 Gus 802

Meanwhile they’re going to be counting birds and bats for the next 10 years before they’ll feel comfortable about wind farms.

Then you have to deal with the resistance to scraping up 5000 acres of desert wild lands to construct solar power sites. Yep, that’s what it takes to create mass solar energy. It requires roads, gravel, asphalt, and an infrastructure in what they commonly call “open space.”

And forget about Yucca Mountain.

The Solar and Wind are a fantasy at this point, money should continue to flow into their development but until it becomes viable it is essentially wasted and they serve as a distraction. Ever wonder why BP is so keen on Solar and Wind? It assures them we will need every drop of oil they can find. They don’t feel threatened by the unicorns.

re: #122 Aceofwhat?

heh

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

What do they smell like?

Not victory.

re: #23 Jeff In Ohio

I’m thinking my kid gets a better science education in Catholic school then public school. Now if I could just get them to stop devoting almost a whole day a week of education on this religion stuff…

I went to a public high school with a cosmically awesome science/math/computer department, the heavyweight was a teacher who was independently wealthy from real-estate, a titanic brain who did an AP physics/calculus block. He was legendary in our district, would just go the extra mile, and the another extra five miles for his students. Our computer programming/trig teacher turned down a six-figure job designing engineering software to analyze and create prosthetic limbs, because she wanted to teach high school. She lobbied to create a C++ class that was effectively an AP computer programming lab.

So yeah, when people dis public education, I’m not on board. ;-)

re: #106 brookly red

I got some of last years Chinese take out in the back of the fridge… the rice is growing something for sure but I don’t think it’s more rice… does that count?

OK I went to check on the rice… it put up such a fuss & only calmed down when I told it I was just moving it into a bigger bowl… I felt guilty flushing it down but at least I didn’t lie to it.

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Yeah I figure it can’t be that difficult. I’m just trying to guestimate how much rice I’ll get per plant. Maybe a 1/2 cup of dried rice per plant is my guess.

It’s pretty hard for one person to do, and it requires an area that has to be flooded at one point. That’s a invitation to a nasty crop of mosquitoes.

Wasn’t Apollyon the Emperor of France?

re: #120 Aceofwhat?

This is either a really good metal song, or David Koresh’s personal gospel…either way, i think i’m enjoying it…

Locusts, you say?

re: #121 Truman

Thanks Ace. I love Frost and Dylan.

to be honest, i’m not much of a Dylan fan. But i read Frost with my dad when i was little, so there’s a huge soft spot there…

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Yeah I figure it can’t be that difficult. I’m just trying to guestimate how much rice I’ll get per plant. Maybe a 1/2 cup of dried rice per plant is my guess.

I don’t think it lends itself to small scale. There is a wet/dry cycle to be maintained.

DF…
the situation in Jamaica is a repeat, this stuff has happened before and it always leads to bloodshed….the one difference this time is that the US is involved and as usual all the elements are in place for another bloodbath….this drug lord is like Robin Hood, he has a lot of supporters

re: #131 WindUpBird

WUB: New avatar, awesomeness >>

re: #45 Bagua

“They are making it up as they go along to the best of their ability and with the best resources available.”

Where’s MacGyver when you need him?

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

It’s pretty hard for one person to do, and it requires an area that has to be flooded at one point. That’s a invitation to a nasty crop of mosquitoes.

I’m going to try it in my pond. Fish already eat the mosquitoes so that’s not a problem. I figure the rice will help clean the water and provide shelter for my newly arrived frogs.

re: #130 Truman

Wasn’t Apollyon the Emperor of France?

no it’s an anti depressant…

re: #135 windsagio

WUB: New avatar, awesomeness >>

New avatar, old painting :D

re: #136 webevintage

Where’s MacGyver when you need him?

In the Stargate

re: #133 Decatur Deb

I don’t think it lends itself to small scale. There is a wet/dry cycle to be maintained.

i thought you could scale it down if the enclosure is watertight? I could’ve sworn i had seen smaller versions reminiscent of sandboxes…

re: #124 Bagua

The Solar and Wind are a fantasy at this point, money should continue to flow into their development but until it becomes viable it is essentially wasted and they serve as a distraction. Ever wonder why BP is so keen on Solar and Wind? It assures them we will need every drop of oil they can find. They don’t feel threatened by the unicorns.

Right. Solar and wind would have to be done at a massive scale. Right now it takes years just to get approved on a dozen little old wind turbines. If the idea is to lower our dependence on oil we’re not even ready for that since electric vehicles are still a work in progress and the electrical grid required to sustain such vehicles isn’t even present. Until that time comes we will need oil to be refined into gasoline to power our vehicles.

re: #132 Aceofwhat?

to be honest, i’m not much of a Dylan fan. But i read Frost with my dad when i was little, so there’s a huge soft spot there…

My parents were not literary so I envy you that. I did grow up with Dylan which led me to other poets which allowed me to see Dylan’s influences.

I wonder how many more of these mumbo-jumbo biblical-soverign-citizen-cultists are out there…little ticking time bombs… [Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

re: #141 Aceofwhat?

i thought you could scale it down if the enclosure is watertight? I could’ve sworn i had seen smaller versions reminiscent of sandboxes…

Yeah, might be doable. KT seems to be interested in qualities other than food yield.

re: #133 Decatur Deb

There is a wet/dry cycle to be maintained.

That’s one of my concerns as well. I’m not sure exactly how it all works. Will rice still produce when grown completely in water? I suppose I could lower the water level in late summer. That usually happens naturally anyways.

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Has anyone here ever grown rice before?

You have a spot in your yard you can keep flooded?

re: #100 windsagio

so yeah its about what I thought ‘no free lunch’.

eh?

re: #139 WindUpBird

New avatar, old painting :D

i agree with Windsiago…love it…the Neurosis song was just so-so, though. the intro was fun but i rank my vocalists thus:

singing > screaming on key > screaming off-key

and dude wasn’t worried about the key…other than the vocals, i liked it.

re: #142 Gus 802

Some of this is moot as a matter of fact. Theoretically we don’t even need solar and wind to replace gasoline (ergo oil) powered vehicles. This could be done with existing electrical power plant utilizing a variety of fuels including existing hydroelectric PPs.

re: #146 Killgore Trout

That’s one of my concerns as well. I’m not sure exactly how it all works. Will rice still produce when grown completely in water? I suppose I could lower the water level in late summer. That usually happens naturally anyways.

it grows completely in water…flooded fields, knee deep

re: #134 albusteve

DF…
the situation in Jamaica is a repeat, this stuff has happened before and it always leads to bloodshed…the one difference this time is that the US is involved and as usual all the elements are in place for another bloodbath…this drug lord is like Robin Hood, he has a lot of supporters

Thanks. I hadn’t known what to make of it/

re: #141 Aceofwhat?

i thought you could scale it down if the enclosure is watertight? I could’ve sworn i had seen smaller versions reminiscent of sandboxes…

Supposedly you can grow rice in buckets: Growing Rice in Buckets.

My pond is 8 feet by 12 feet.

re: #144 WindUpBird

I wonder how many more of these mumbo-jumbo biblical-soverign-citizen-cultists are out there…little ticking time bombs… [Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

The answer is: Too many.

re: #142 Gus 802

Right. Solar and wind would have to be done at a massive scale. Right now it takes years just to get approved on a dozen little old wind turbines. If the idea is to lower our dependence on oil we’re not even ready for that since electric vehicles are still a work in progress and the electrical grid required to sustain such vehicles isn’t even present. Until that time comes we will need oil to be refined into gasoline to power our vehicles.

Solar and Wind should be small scale, experimental until they are viable. Right now it is a waste of money that could be better spent. Research and development of both at a healthy level should be encouraged.

Electric vehicles have a good potential, even with a normal grid. The electricity can come from coal, gas and nuclear and reduce the need for oil.

re: #146 Killgore Trout

That’s one of my concerns as well. I’m not sure exactly how it all works. Will rice still produce when grown completely in water? I suppose I could lower the water level in late summer. That usually happens naturally anyways.

The industrial farming I saw included seedling production, wet paddy growth, then dry paddy maturation/drying. Have you looked at hydrophilia? It’s a pest in the wrong place, but cleans the water, provides shelter, and is good for your manatee.

re: #147 reine.de.tout

You have a spot in your yard you can keep flooded?

I think I’m going to try it in my pond using 5 gallon buckets as planters. The rim of a bucket sits just below the water line when my pond is full to the top.

re: #143 Truman

My parents were not literary so I envy you that. I did grow up with Dylan which led me to other poets which allowed me to see Dylan’s influences.

actually, i loved to read but disliked being read to…so much of my dad’s attempts were wasted on me. until i discovered scifi in 6th grade, i read exclusively about natural disasters, predators, and dinosaurs. no fiction. my mom was actually worried about me…

re: #141 Aceofwhat?

i thought you could scale it down if the enclosure is watertight? I could’ve sworn i had seen smaller versions reminiscent of sandboxes…

This site says it can be grown in buckets, but you will need lots and lots and lots of buckets to get enough to eat.

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. I hadn’t known what to make of it/

Tivoli Gardens, where this guy is from, is a sprawling ghetto….his people have barricaded themselves in there….the last time something like that happened, scores of innocent people were killed when the cops stormed the place…and I’m sure the threat of open warfare has been proposed…Jamaicans love guns and they don’t seem to mind getting themselves killed

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. I hadn’t known what to make of it.

PIMF Please excuse the error.

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Supposedly you can grow rice in buckets: Growing Rice in Buckets.

My pond is 8 feet by 12 feet.

my verdict is that you should give it a shot, and let us know how it looks at 10pm with your flashlight;)

re: #157 Killgore Trout

I think I’m going to try it in my pond using 5 gallon buckets as planters. The rim of a bucket sits just below the water line when my pond is full to the top.

OK, that sounds like workable plan!

re: #159 reine.de.tout

This site says it can be grown in buckets, but you will need lots and lots and lots of buckets to get enough to eat.

I have seen an urban farm made out of joint compound containers…

re: #149 Aceofwhat?

i agree with Windsiago…love it…the Neurosis song was just so-so, though. the intro was fun but i rank my vocalists thus:

singing > screaming on key > screaming off-key

and dude wasn’t worried about the key…other than the vocals, i liked it.

If you’re critiquing Neurosis vocals, you’re not a Neurosis fan. ;-) it’s like critiquing Skinny Puppy vocals, or saying a Jackson Pollock painting needs to look like something other than paint splatters

re: #155 Bagua

Solar and Wind should be small scale, experimental until they are viable. Right now it is a waste of money that could be better spent. Research and development of both at a healthy level should be encouraged.

Electric vehicles have a good potential, even with a normal grid. The electricity can come from coal, gas and nuclear and reduce the need for oil.

Precisely regarding the electric vehicles. It can begin now. The nub of course is this. We can’t expect Americans to go out and buy electric vehicles that cost as much as a luxury car. It may sound good and feel good but I know in my case I’m not going to fork over 35,000 dollars for such a thing — I can’t even finance one at this point.

re: #160 albusteve

Tivoli Gardens, where this guy is from, is a sprawling ghetto…his people have barricaded themselves in there…the last time something like that happened, scores of innocent people were killed when the cops stormed the place…and I’m sure the threat of open warfare has been proposed…Jamaicans love guns and they don’t seem to mind getting themselves killed

That’s a nasty situation. Do the cops have helos? Those are useful for breaking an urban barricade.

re: #159 reine.de.tout

This site says it can be grown in buckets, but you will need lots and lots and lots of buckets to get enough to eat.

I have tons of buckets from all my hydroponics. Maybe I’ll start with 10 buckets in the pond with 2-4 rice plants in each bucket and see what happens.

re: #162 Aceofwhat?

my verdict is that you should give it a shot, and let us know how it looks at 10pm with your flashlight;)

I need some of those infrared goggles for true stealth night gardening.

re: #166 Gus 802

Precisely regarding the electric vehicles. It can begin now. The nub of course is this. We can’t expect Americans to go out and buy electric vehicles that cost as much as a luxury car. It may sound good and feel good but I know in my case I’m not going to fork over 35,000 dollars for such a thing — I can’t even finance one at this point.

For $35,000, you could buy an 80’s Honda CRX that gets mileage as good as a Prius. And then bring it up to almost pristine condition and have like $30,000 left over. :D

re: #159 reine.de.tout

This site says it can be grown in buckets, but you will need lots and lots and lots of buckets to get enough to eat.

heh. Nooo thank you. i don’t even trim my bushes on time…KT is a better man than I!

re: #166 Gus 802

Example:

THE DEAL: Nissan Motor Co. says it will sell its Leaf electric car for just over $25,000 in the U.S., including a government tax credit. The base sticker price is $32,780. The Leaf can travel 100 miles on a charge from a home outlet.

THE CHOICES: The Leaf and General Motors Co.’s Chevrolet Volt go on sale in December, the first electric vehicles for sale to mainstream buyers. Other automakers have plans for electrics in later years.

THE IMPACT: GM and others may have to reduce prices to compete with the Leaf. GM expected the sell the Volt for around $35,000 not including the tax credit. It says the Volt is worth more because it has a gas engine to extend its range.

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

re: #160 albusteve

Tivoli Gardens, where this guy is from, is a sprawling ghetto…his people have barricaded themselves in there…the last time something like that happened, scores of innocent people were killed when the cops stormed the place…and I’m sure the threat of open warfare has been proposed…Jamaicans love guns and they don’t seem to mind getting themselves killed

Tivoli Gardens? like in Denmark? sheesh

re: #108 Aceofwhat?

“I am proud that after over two decades of fighting the proposed Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump, the project is finally being terminated.”

Go fuck yourself, Harry Reid. The solution to the considerable anti-science on the right is not to try to match them with your own stupid.

Forget the $13 Billion we have spent, forget that this is the best possible solution according to the nuclear waste storage experts, listen to the uninformed NIMBY’s who have no idea what they are talking about but read “bad” things about it on the internet.

I’m glad Reid is apparently going to get voted out of office in November, fuck his stupid pandering bullshit.

re: #165 WindUpBird

If you’re critiquing Neurosis vocals, you’re not a Neurosis fan. ;-) it’s like critiquing Skinny Puppy vocals, or saying a Jackson Pollock painting needs to look like something other than paint splatters

heh. i’d say all of those things…

This is of course brilliant satire on a number of levels. However, we can take a middle view where the science and the religion meet each other.

I am being completely serious actually.

Using middle of the road, not worst case scenario projection for life in 2100. It is reasonable to expect displaced populations from sea level rise and expanding desertification to be on the the order of one billion people.

There will crop production losses due to lack of rain, shifts in growing patterns, soil moisture losses and the fact that the plants we use for food really do not thrive with heat spikes or greater than average temperatures by more than one or to degrees. This coupled with increasing ocean acidification and spreading dead zones due to pollution and over fishing, we see globally a drop in agriculture between 65% and 85% of total world food supply. Those last numbers are under some debate. I have seen papers that argue that food production could drop by as much as 90% world wide.

This takes into account new farmland that might flourish in Canada and Siberia.

Shifting climates of course means that disease vectors migrate to new populations without immunities. If those people are malnourished and densely packed, contagion is all the more likely to spread.

When hungry desperate people need resources, they fight over them. there is no reason to believe that we will be less violent or greedy in the future world of diminished resources.

Extreme weather events will become more common. That means larger and more devastating storms, hurricanes, and tornadoes.

The typical Biblical apocalypse story talks of widespread war, famine plague and natural disaster.

We are certainly fixing to have all of those things on a global scale.

The more important Biblical message that I think everyone needs to get though is lost.

We are bringing this on ourselves because of our own greed, arrogance and stupidity. We can avoid it, but we are choosing not to. When this does come, God is actually just. We will have it coming.

re: #170 WindUpBird

For $35,000, you could buy an 80’s Honda CRX that gets mileage as good as a Prius. And then bring it up to almost pristine condition and have like $30,000 left over. :D

With enough to send 100 bucks to Iguazu to help feed a family of 12 for 10 years and buy an ounce of sticky bud to fire up the bong and stare at your truly Earth friendly CRX.

//Flipping Sting and Bono the bird.

/

re: #168 Killgore Trout

I have tons of buckets from all my hydroponics. Maybe I’ll start with 10 buckets in the pond with 2-4 rice plants in each bucket and see what happens.

Write it up as you go.
It’ll be a start on your Volume 3 Gardening Section.

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

That’s a nasty situation. Do the cops have helos? Those are useful for breaking an urban barricade.

probably…most likely to be used for hustling drugs and guns on and off the island….Jamaica is very corrupt, the last time I was there I got shook down for $300 by to local cops with full auto mgs, but they kindly gave me my weed back

re: #172 Gus 802

Early adopters finance the mainstream.

I remember when a base 386 cost thousands of dollars. Now I can emulate a dozen 386s all at once, multitasked, on a netbook. I remember when VCRS were as big as an anvil and cost two grand.

I probably should hurry up and buy my pushrod V8 sports car soon before they’re made illegal. :D

re: #172 Gus 802

Example:

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

Electric conversion of a 1971 Land Rover

[Link: www.evalbum.com…]

re: #173 brookly red

Tivoli Gardens? like in Denmark? sheesh

it’s part of Kingston

re: #165 WindUpBird

or saying a Jackson Pollock painting needs to look like something other than paint splatters

I’snt that what it was? :)

re: #180 WindUpBird

Early adopters finance the mainstream.

I remember when a base 386 cost thousands of dollars. Now I can emulate a dozen 386s all at once, multitasked, on a netbook. I remember when VCRS were as big as an anvil and cost two grand.

I probably should hurry up and buy my pushrod V8 sports car soon before they’re made illegal. :D

Yeah. We’ll all have to wait for the upper middle class to lead the way.

/

PIMF

This is of course brilliant satire on a number of levels. However, we can take a middle view where the science and the religion meet each other.

I am being completely serious actually.

Using middle of the road, not worst case scenario projection for life in 2100, it is reasonable to expect displaced populations from sea level rise and expanding desertification to be on the the order of one billion people.

There will be crop production losses due to lack of rain, shifts in growing patterns, soil moisture losses and the fact that the plants we use for food really do not thrive with heat spikes or greater than average temperatures by more than one or to degrees. This coupled with increasing ocean acidification and spreading dead zones due to pollution and over fishing, we see globally a drop in agriculture between 65% and 85% of total world food supply. Those last numbers are under some debate. I have seen papers that argue that food production could drop by as much as 90% world wide.

This takes into account new farmland that might flourish in Canada and Siberia.

Shifting climates of course means that disease vectors migrate to new populations without immunities. If those people are malnourished and densely packed, contagion is all the more likely to spread.

When hungry desperate people need resources, they fight over them. there is no reason to believe that we will be less violent or greedy in the future world of diminished resources.

Extreme weather events will become more common. That means larger and more devastating storms, hurricanes, and tornadoes.

The typical Biblical apocalypse story talks of widespread war, famine plague and natural disaster.

We are certainly fixing to have all of those things on a global scale.

The more important Biblical message that I think everyone needs to get though is lost.

We are bringing this on ourselves because of our own greed, arrogance and stupidity. We can avoid it, but we are choosing not to. When this does come, God is actually just. We will have it coming. I should add that greed and sloth and avarice are deadly sins and that the message of the flood was that sin corrupted the Earth physically.

re: #174 ausador

Forget the $13 Billion we have spent, forget that this is the best possible solution according to the nuclear waste storage experts, listen to the uninformed NIMBY’s who have no idea what they are talking about but read “bad” things about it on the internet.

I’m glad Reid is apparently going to get voted out of office in November, fuck his stupid pandering bullshit.

my exact sentiments

re: #175 Aceofwhat?

heh. i’d say all of those things…

If you don’t like it, you don’t like it! No worries. But it’s still art, it still moves people. Neurosis’ live show is in my top five concerst of all time, their albums are among the most dear things to me in my music collection. Imagine how boring guitar rock would be if we all demanded massive amounts of skill as a barrier to entry. No punk music! No stoner doom. No DIY, just a bunch of guys from Berklee Music Academy doing sweep arpeggios.

re: #178 reine.de.tout

Write it up as you go.
It’ll be a start on your Volume 3 Gardening Section.

Hopefully we’ll sell enough cookbooks to make volume 3 a possibility.

Anyone wanna buy an LGF cookbook this afternoon?

re: #183 Truman

or saying a Jackson Pollock painting needs to look like something other than paint splatters

I’snt that what it was? :)

My point is that Neurosis and Puppy are the rock equivalent of abstract art. Expressionist. Not schooled, not formal, not classically “correct”.

re: #179 albusteve

probably…most likely to be used for hustling drugs and guns on and off the island…Jamaica is very corrupt, the last time I was there I got shook down for $300 by to local cops with full auto mgs, but they kindly gave me my weed back

Good point. Well, bloodbath it is then. I hate urban fighting. I just hope that no innocents get caught in the crossfire, though it will probably happen.

re: #189 WindUpBird

My point is that Neurosis and Puppy are the rock equivalent of abstract art. Expressionist. Not schooled, not formal, not classically “correct”.

sounds like noise, rather than music….but I’m an old traditional fuck who still digs Little Red Rooster

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Electric conversion of a 1971 Land Rover

[Link: www.evalbum.com…]

Time-lapse video of the work:

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Semi-Off Topic: I just finished watching the last episode of Lost. Two big thumbs up.

Aha. Where’s Walter? Depressed I suspect.

Frankly I was disappointed, and even let down. I don’t mean it wasn’t clever on many levels, or I wouldn’t have been watching for quite a few years, but to end with a simple safe fall-back to good old heaven, purgatory and hell; not to mention redemption and all that, was trite.

You did see it that way, did you not?

I could have cribbed some stuff from Hawkins and Time and come up with a concept that wasn’t a couple of thousand years old.

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Hopefully we’ll sell enough cookbooks to make volume 3 a possibility.

Anyone wanna buy an LGF cookbook this afternoon?

Good question!

These are a great bargain, and guaranteed to be collector’s items in a few years! Seriously.

Great recipes, art inside and out by Jaunte, a poem by Cato featuring favorite lizards, all for a mere $16.35 plus about $4 shipping.

There is a $5 “profit” per book sold, half of which is used to support LGF and half for Soldier’s Angels.

Now, that is a PITTANCE, considering all the great features provided to us here.

re: #189 WindUpBird

My point is that Neurosis and Puppy are the rock equivalent of abstract art. Expressionist. Not schooled, not formal, not classically “correct”.

Gotcha. I understand, now.

re: #187 WindUpBird

If you don’t like it, you don’t like it! No worries. But it’s still art, it still moves people. Neurosis’ live show is in my top five concerst of all time, their albums are among the most dear things to me in my music collection. Imagine how boring guitar rock would be if we all demanded massive amounts of skill as a barrier to entry. No punk music! No stoner doom. No DIY, just a bunch of guys from Berklee Music Academy doing sweep arpeggios.

oh, i’m not saying it’s not art. some art is demonstrably art, but much of it is also in the eye of the beholder…why do i like Monet more than Picasso? i can’t tell you - but i won’t try to tell you that i’m right, either;)

re: #184 Gus 802

Yeah. We’ll all have to wait for the upper middle class to lead the way.

/

You know what I mean, we’re gonna have this weird hazy netherworld where we have early adopters buying expensive electric cars at the same time that gas cars are being sold, which keeps these guys in business, which makes their business solvent, which drives production, which drives innovation, which makes the cars cheaper, and so on. Hell, look at the Smart car. The Smart car has worse fuel economy than a Diesel Jetta. People still buyin’ them!

The Volt is an electric car. But with a gas generator to recharge the battery if the juice runs dry. The drivetrain is electric, the gas engine is only there as a charging mechanism. Versatile. And expensive. But if enough people buy them and we can get the price down to $16,000, then we’re in good shape.

The transition from oil to electric will be a long messy thing. There will be decades where we’ll be all sharing the road.

re: #191 albusteve

sounds like noise, rather than music…but I’m an old traditional fuck who still digs Little Red Rooster

I like noise, and music, and noisy music, what can I say. :)

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Good point. Well, bloodbath it is then. I hate urban fighting. I just hope that no innocents get caught in the crossfire, though it will probably happen.

it’s third world….innocents are just in the wrong place at the wrong time

re: #176 LudwigVanQuixote

WWhen this does come, God is actually just. We will have it coming.

Please. When you preach, stick to the science.

re: #200 Naso Tang

Please. When you preach, stick to the science.

that’s not preaching. preaching actually motivates people to do better.

re: #198 WindUpBird

I like noise, and music, and noisy music, what can I say. :)

you’ll end up like me then, half deaf….but I hope not

re: #187 WindUpBird

“Besides, Jimmy’s sweep arpeggios are really sloppy”

re: #193 Naso Tang

IIRC, he liked it. at least, the looong posts of his that i scrolled past appeared positive at high-speed;)

re: #202 albusteve

Its probably too late for that guy >>

re: #200 Naso Tang

Please. When you preach, stick to the science.

what god?
what justice?
I call bullshit

re: #201 Aceofwhat?

that’s not preaching. preaching actually motivates people to do better.

Do better according to who? I could mention Rand Paul, but why get trivial..

Dog is making threats—BBL

re: #197 WindUpBird

You know what I mean, we’re gonna have this weird hazy netherworld where we have early adopters buying expensive electric cars at the same time that gas cars are being sold, which keeps these guys in business, which makes their business solvent, which drives production, which drives innovation, which makes the cars cheaper, and so on. Hell, look at the Smart car. The Smart car has worse fuel economy than a Diesel Jetta. People still buyin’ them!

The Volt is an electric car. But with a gas generator to recharge the battery if the juice runs dry. The drivetrain is electric, the gas engine is only there as a charging mechanism. Versatile. And expensive. But if enough people buy them and we can get the price down to $16,000, then we’re in good shape.

The transition from oil to electric will be a long messy thing. There will be decades where we’ll be all sharing the road.

Add to that it will costs more to insure a Smart Car. Higher insurance costs require money which equals energy.

Same was noticed when people crunched some numbers when they did the cash for clunkers thing. It was actually more energy efficient to keep an old Jeep Wagoneer clunker than it was to trade it in for a higher mileage vehicle. Much much cheaper if they traded it in for a recalled Toyota.

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Hopefully we’ll sell enough cookbooks to make volume 3 a possibility.

Anyone wanna buy an LGF cookbook this afternoon?

Done. Just now.

re: #204 Aceofwhat?

IIRC, he liked it. at least, the looong posts of his that i scrolled past appeared positive at high-speed;)

I’ve missed many threads and I suspected he had commented, but all I can say is I wanted to be wowed and instead I was delivered what they actually had said for years they would not.

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Don’t give in to terrorists! Especially dog terrorists>

re: #207 Naso Tang

Do better according to who? I could mention Rand Paul, but why get trivial..

I think the preacher gets a buzz….regardless of the ridiculous message
the Bong of God be passeth

re: #170 WindUpBird

For $35,000, you could buy an 80’s Honda CRX that gets mileage as good as a Prius. And then bring it up to almost pristine condition and have like $30,000 left over. :D

I just bought a 1971 Boss 351 Mustang and am in the process of converting it to a 351 “windsor” engine, blown of course.

It cost me $4,000 to buy and will cost about $13,000 to rebuild/paint. So yes, I will have a car that sucks 8-9 miles per gallon when it is done. But it will be a classic muscle car that is appreciating in value every year rather than losing it.

/ :p? Do I need to?

re: #166 Gus 802

Precisely regarding the electric vehicles. It can begin now. The nub of course is this. We can’t expect Americans to go out and buy electric vehicles that cost as much as a luxury car. It may sound good and feel good but I know in my case I’m not going to fork over 35,000 dollars for such a thing — I can’t even finance one at this point.

Absolutely. Electric cars have the most realistic chance of displacing a meaningful amount of Crude Oil use in the immediate future, as in the next 10 to 20 years. As they increase market share, they will earn more money and give greater incentive to improve them. It keeps getting better in terms of electric cars efficiency on a steep curve, whereas with petrol engines it is a challenge to squeeze out even a tiny increase in efficiency (almost a flat line).

re: #207 Naso Tang

Do better according to who? I could mention Rand Paul, but why get trivial..

heh

re: #205 windsagio

Its probably too late for that guy >>

I can still hear!

re: #214 ausador

I just bought a 1971 Boss 351 Mustang and am in the process of converting it to a 351 “windsor” engine, blown of course.

It cost me $4,000 to buy and will cost about $13,000 to rebuild/paint. So yes, I will have a car that sucks 8-9 miles per gallon when it is done. But it will be a classic muscle car that is appreciating in value every year rather than losing it.

/ :p? Do I need to?

tres cool…but I would skip the blower, it’ll come apart

re: #211 Naso Tang

I’ve missed many threads and I suspected he had commented, but all I can say is I wanted to be wowed and instead I was delivered what they actually had said for years they would not.

all i can say is that from now on, whenever someone complains about “midichlorians” and the force, i’m just going to say LOST!!

re: #214 ausador

I just bought a 1971 Boss 351 Mustang and am in the process of converting it to a 351 “windsor” engine, blown of course.

It cost me $4,000 to buy and will cost about $13,000 to rebuild/paint. So yes, I will have a car that sucks 8-9 miles per gallon when it is done. But it will be a classic muscle car that is appreciating in value every year rather than losing it.

/ :p? Do I need to?

No worries here! I lust after a different sort of sports car, but sports cars nonetheless. :D

I’m just saying, if you want something that gets like 50mpg that’s still fun to drive, hey! CRX HF.

“No, no! The seas will turn to blood!”

Heh. Not bad.

And good evening all!

re: #215 Bagua

Absolutely. Electric cars have the most realistic chance of displacing a meaningful amount of Crude Oil use in the immediate future, as in the next 10 to 20 years. As they increase market share, they will earn more money and give greater incentive to improve them. It keeps getting better in terms of electric cars efficiency on a steep curve, whereas with petrol engines it is a challenge to squeeze out even a tiny increase in efficiency (almost a flat line).

They’re more fun to drive, too. Loads of torque.

re: #219 Aceofwhat?

You can’t actually be surprised at the result >>

re: #200 Naso Tang

Please. When you preach, stick to the science.

Look I understand that you really despise religion. This is one case where the religious view actually dovetails very well with the scientific facts.

If you don’t like that fact, just look at the science stuff. By now, my mini blog list of links, has every single claim substantiated by hard science from legitimate sources.
re: #201 Aceofwhat?

that’s not preaching. preaching actually motivates people to do better.

That is an unnecessary dig. As always, if you find any actual flaw in the predictions, you will find I can counter you with sources and facts.

The results of not changing our ways are not pretty in even the best case scenarios.

Best case scenario - where we stop pumping carbon this instant and go totally green world wide still has us committed to between 75 cm to 1 meter of sea level rise because of thermal inertia and hthe time it will take to scrub the carbon that is already up there. That alone would displace on the order of 100 million people. What we are already committed to is a drastic shift in world agriculture and there will be many who starve as a result. They will mostly be in Asia and Africa. There is nothing that can be done to stop that now.

While some miracle cure is always possible to be invented at the last minute, it would be absolutely stupid to bank on it given the risks involved.

re: #206 albusteve

what god?
what justice?
I call bullshit

And I disagree. Both God and His Justice are real. That is my opinion, take it for what it’s worth.

Question:

Should I scrap my current vehicle and go out and buy a new more efficient one? And when I say scrap I mean like the clunkers deal - make the car useless to anyone else.

Or

Should I make my old car available (via resale) to some other person to use as transportation?

In other words trickle-down transportation. Those who can afford the new spiffy super-efficient models should trade up. Let those farther down on the ladder trade up as well.

Or

Should I just stay in the car I own but keep it in tip-top shape?

Just trying to figure out what is best for the environment.

re: #222 Aceofwhat?

They’re more fun to drive, too. Loads of torque.

And you get to sneak up on pedestrians.

//

re: #209 Gus 802

Add to that it will costs more to insure a Smart Car. Higher insurance costs require money which equals energy.

Same was noticed when people crunched some numbers when they did the cash for clunkers thing. It was actually more energy efficient to keep an old Jeep Wagoneer clunker than it was to trade it in for a higher mileage vehicle. Much much cheaper if they traded it in for a recalled Toyota.

Yep. :P There’s a reason I always buy used.

re: #220 WindUpBird

No worries here! I lust after a different sort of sports car, but sports cars nonetheless. :D

I’m just saying, if you want something that gets like 50mpg that’s still fun to drive, hey! CRX HF.

drag racers could give a shit about mpg…the less the better!….yeeehaaa!

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

That’s a nasty situation. Do the cops have helos? Those are useful for breaking an urban barricade.

Welcome to Jamrock

He is singing of rioting in Kingston, smuggling, tourists, shottas, among other things.

When trenchtown man stop laugh and them block-off traffic… police come in a jeep, and then can’t stop it.

It is an expression of people power.

re: #174 ausador

Forget the $13 Billion we have spent, forget that this is the best possible solution according to the nuclear waste storage experts, listen to the uninformed NIMBY’s who have no idea what they are talking about but read “bad” things about it on the internet.

I’m glad Reid is apparently going to get voted out of office in November, fuck his stupid pandering bullshit.

Yucca Mtn was paid for by rate payers. They should demand their money back. This is what a bad science education gets us.

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

And I disagree. Both God and His Justice are real. That is my opinion, take it for what it’s worth.

it’s old, but in good condition….the owner is of high regard…
I’ll give you $50 for it

re: #226 Racer X

Question:

Should I scrap my current vehicle and go out and buy a new more efficient one? And when I say scrap I mean like the clunkers deal - make the car useless to anyone else.

Or

Should I make my old car available (via resale) to some other person to use as transportation?

In other words trickle-down transportation. Those who can afford the new spiffy super-efficient models should trade up. Let those farther down on the ladder trade up as well.

Or

Should I just stay in the car I own but keep it in tip-top shape?

Just trying to figure out what is best for the environment.

Buying a new car means all the petroleum products used to MAKE the new car.

I’ve never voluntarily given up a car that wasn’t falling apart. (Our old 240 was dead, we donated it, my rusting 78 corolla was on deaths door and I sold it for a hundred bucks) I’ve never traded a car in on another car in my life.

re: #215 Bagua

Absolutely. Electric cars have the most realistic chance of displacing a meaningful amount of Crude Oil use in the immediate future, as in the next 10 to 20 years. As they increase market share, they will earn more money and give greater incentive to improve them. It keeps getting better in terms of electric cars efficiency on a steep curve, whereas with petrol engines it is a challenge to squeeze out even a tiny increase in efficiency (almost a flat line).

And the model for them is in place and available.

[Link: www.betterplace.com…]

re: #174 ausador

Forget the $13 Billion we have spent, forget that this is the best possible solution according to the nuclear waste storage experts, listen to the uninformed NIMBY’s who have no idea what they are talking about but read “bad” things about it on the internet.

I’m glad Reid is apparently going to get voted out of office in November, fuck his stupid pandering bullshit.

Excellent points.

re: #229 albusteve

drag racers could give a shit about mpg…the less the better!…yeeehaaa!

haha well yeah! :D And it doesn’t matter because who’s commuting in a classic pristine muscle car or a demonic drag car with bad manners in stop and go traffic?

One day, there will be a V8 RWD beast in my garage.

re: #193 Naso Tang

Aha. Where’s Walter? Depressed I suspect.

Frankly I was disappointed, and even let down. I don’t mean it wasn’t clever on many levels, or I wouldn’t have been watching for quite a few years, but to end with a simple safe fall-back to good old heaven, purgatory and hell; not to mention redemption and all that, was trite.

You did see it that way, did you not?

I could have cribbed some stuff from Hawkins and Time and come up with a concept that wasn’t a couple of thousand years old.

True but I was actually little surprised they went with that. I remember the speculation way back in season 1 that they were all dead but I gave up thinking about it, The plot is essentially a rip off of Jacob’s Ladder. However, as they’ve been wrapping up the series it became evident that they were going with a spiritual/mystical angle so my expectations were fairly low. It might not have been the most amazing ending ever but it was pretty well executed.

re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote

Look I understand that you really despise religion

If you want to have a debate, or even pretend to have one, don’t start with a bullshit comment like that.

You obviously haven’t a clue what I think of religion, and to suggest I despise what 90 percent of humanity believes in some way or another would be insulting if it wasn’t for the fact that it makes you look stupid.

re: #210 wrenchwench

Done. Just now.

Hooray!

the only sports car worth considering…
Image: 1967-Chevrolet-Corvette-Black-427-sy.jpg

nice little day cruiser

re: #218 albusteve

tres cool…but I would skip the blower, it’ll come apart

I gotta keep up the value, it isn’t for me to drive really it is to sit on for maybe another five years and then sell at at auction (with a high reserve of course).
Nothing beats that damn blower winding up when it is up on the auto auction stage. Can’t beat the “Mad Max” last of the V-8’s remembrance most of the bidders get in their heads. ;)

re: #226 Racer X

Question:

Should I scrap my current vehicle and go out and buy a new more efficient one? And when I say scrap I mean like the clunkers deal - make the car useless to anyone else.

Or

Should I make my old car available (via resale) to some other person to use as transportation?

In other words trickle-down transportation. Those who can afford the new spiffy super-efficient models should trade up. Let those farther down on the ladder trade up as well.

Or

Should I just stay in the car I own but keep it in tip-top shape?

Just trying to figure out what is best for the environment.

Well I think the answer comes from what is going to reduce emissions the most in the long run. Presumably your present car is not a super clunker. The guy who trades up to it from his clunker might do better. This assumes it is not an SUV ;)

You buying an electric or hybrid automatically increases the market for more people to do so, and it obviously will be better than what you are doing now by a lot.

re: #226 Racer X

I think you should drive it as long as you can. As long as it’s reasonably reliable keep it. New cars are a scam. I can’t believe what people spend on new cars all the time, put the money to better use.

re: #233 WindUpBird

Buying a new car means all the petroleum products used to MAKE the new car.

I’ve never voluntarily given up a car that wasn’t falling apart. (Our old 240 was dead, we donated it, my rusting 78 corolla was on deaths door and I sold it for a hundred bucks) I’ve never traded a car in on another car in my life.

Adding to the energy of building a new cars is higher insurance premiums required for a new car (if financed) and overvalued interest rates. Every dollar has an energy value. So when a car is financed you’re using even more energy then the true retail value of the car which sometimes means paying 1/3rd more of retail.

That doesn’t even account for the loss of value of a new car once you leave the lot.

re: #240 albusteve

It is the most beautiful American sports car, there’s really no doubt

The only Vettes I’d buy would be a C4 or a C5, because there’s a zillion of them, they’re cheap in the used market and in my price range, and I can drive the shit out of them without feeling guilty that I’m running a piece of art into the ground.

re: #234 austin_blue

And the model for them is in place and available.

[Link: www.betterplace.com…]

Yep, we’re going to see a rapid ramp up in electric cars is my prediction. For the simple fact that they make sense now with only a fractional subsidy and existing technology. This is also a sensible subsidy (unlike most wind and solar), because it really will rapidly decrease, making electric cars irresistible without subsidy in a very short time.

No one argues against an investment that has a good future yield, low risk and short and reasonable upfront cost (subsidy).

re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote

i’m not picking nits with the science. but no one wants to talk to the guy wearing the sandwich sign…even if he’s right…

re: #241 ausador

I gotta keep up the value, it isn’t for me to drive really it is to sit on for maybe another five years and then sell at at auction (with a high reserve of course).
Nothing beats that damn blower winding up when it is up on the auto auction stage. Can’t beat the “Mad Max” last of the V-8’s remembrance most of the bidders get in their heads. ;)