GOP Candidate Arthur Robinson: Dump Oil and Nuclear Waste at Sea

Here’s more data on the extreme views of Arthur Robinson, the GOP mutant candidate for Oregon’s 4th Congressional District, who says we really ought to Dump Oil and Nuclear Waste at Sea.

The oceans are starved for it.

“Wastes dumped into the deep ocean will soon reach the bottom, where they are less hazardous than nearly any other place on Earth. Most materials will remain there: marine organisms are rare in the deep ocean, food chains are long, and few materials will be carried back to mankind. And that is what waste disposal is all about…

…The oil companies’ reckless greed, we are told, has devastated the oceans with their oil spills.

Baloney.”

[…]

“As for oil spills in the open and deep ocean, they amount to far less than natural seeps and river runoff, and any unbiased oceanographer will confirm that they are a boon to marine life, inflicting damage mainly on the oil and shipping companies. For crude oil is a natural, organic, biodegradable product of the earth’s ancient plant and animal life, and it is this type of hydrocarbon that marine life in the open and deep ocean is starved for.”

Jump to bottom

433 comments

1 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 7:57:23pm

Lots of CO2 is good for plants!

But seriously folks, anyone who wants to dump nuclear waste at sea hasn’t watched enough Godzilla movies, that or lives nowhere close to the coast….

2 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 24, 2010 7:58:44pm

Teh stupid. It burns!

Yes, throw all your garbage in the ocean. I mean, it not as though a continent the size of Texas, made entirely out of garbage, will form in the middle of the huge ocean.

Oh wait. It’s twice the size of Texas.

3 Political Atheist  Mon, May 24, 2010 7:58:48pm

Did this idiot never eat a crab, or a lobster? Arthur Robinson has managed a unique feat-He gives legitimate bottom feeders a bad reputation with his own garbage.

4 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 7:59:39pm

Oregon’s 4th Congressional District?

Buncha’ fucking drug-addled folks.

5 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:00:55pm

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

Did this idiot never eat a crab, or a lobster? Arthur Robinson has managed a unique feat-He gives legitimate bottom feeders a bad reputation with his own garbage.

//Have you ever seen a lobster? Looks like a gigantic cockroach, you can’t tell me that thing wasn’t radioactive to start with!

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:01:06pm

A local tabloid once did some reporting on back when the Navy was dumping stuff in big tins marked WARNING: RADIATION off the coast of California.

One old gentleman explained that he’d taken out a number of loads of this stuff. You were supposed to wait until it sank, but he allowed that when a barrel didn’t seem to be going down fast enough, they’d shoot some holes in it to get it to take on water.

7 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:03:39pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

A local tabloid once did some reporting on back when the Navy was dumping stuff in big tins marked WARNING: RADIATION off the coast of California.

One old gentleman explained that he’d taken out a number of loads of this stuff. You were supposed to wait until it sank, but he allowed that when a barrel didn’t seem to be going down fast enough, they’d shoot some holes in it to get it to take on water.

“I think its full sir!”

“That’s ridiculous the last tree held nine drums!”

8 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:04:26pm

Serious hard core craziness is going on.

9 Renaissance_Man  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:06:05pm

Come on mate. You’re supposed to be teaching God’s Word, because that’s what’s best for young people, rather than teaching them in the World, remember? And in God’s Word, there is no ‘ancient plant and animal life’ to biodegrade.

At least be internally consistent with the stupid.

10 Political Atheist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:06:07pm

re: #5 jamesfirecat

Clarified butter makes all the difference.

11 Aceofwhat?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:06:22pm

We could bury it deep underground in a really dry spot…

…oh WAIT, Reid already fucked that up for us.

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:07:01pm

Stand here sir, yes, facing into the wind. Would you now spit directly forward.

Thank you. Did you learn anything?

13 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:07:06pm

The second part is batshit. The first part is…interesting. The idea of encasing fuel rods in steel and concrete/fiberglass coffins and dropping them into subduction zones is an area for research. Keep in mind that I am Viridian Green,

[Link: www.viridiandesign.org…]

But the concept has promise for research purposes.

Go figure, for a Liberal.

14 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:07:29pm

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

15 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:07:39pm

re: #4 MandyManners

Oregon’s 4th Congressional District?

Buncha’ fucking drug-addled folks.

And, I useta’ be one.

16 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:07:49pm
“GOP mutant candidate”


Alright..that was hilarious. I laughed a good long chuckle at that.

I’m feeling some of that ‘fire in the belly’.

17 Aceofwhat?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:07:56pm

re: #12 EmmmieG

Stand here sir, yes, facing into the wind. Would you now spit directly forward.

Thank you. Did you learn anything?

it’s raining?

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:08:07pm

re: #13 austin_blue

The second part is batshit. The first part is…interesting. The idea of encasing fuel rods in steel and concrete/fiberglass coffins and dropping them into subduction zones is an area for research. Keep in mind that I am Viridian Green,

[Link: www.viridiandesign.org…]

But the concept has promise for research purposes.

Go figure, for a Liberal.

I am against dropping anything radioactive into an area that tectonically active.

19 Gus  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:08:08pm

Arthur Robinson’s science would fit right in over at Pajamas Media.

Get Roger L. Simon on the phone! I have a recommendation!

20 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:08:16pm

re: #14 Nimed

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

As opposed to being polluted by…?

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:08:32pm

You’re fucking kidding me

22 Political Atheist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:09:04pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist
Stuff like that is how my home town (SF Valley) lost the use of it’s well water. Admittedly that was due to WW2 production of everything from the P-38 Lightning to who knows what. To this day that water is unusable.

23 Aceofwhat?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:09:28pm

re: #14 Nimed

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

no, i’m booking them to pursue sports discussions mid-thread in the future…

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:09:46pm

re: #14 Nimed

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

I’m just ignoring them. I got bored with the show around, I think, the middle of the second season. People can talk about it if they want.

25 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:09:48pm

re: #4 MandyManners

Oregon’s 4th Congressional District?

Buncha’ fucking drug-addled folks.

Given that he’s a right-wing conservative, he’s most likely clean. Perhaps he actually needs to smoke a few rolls to gain a better perspective on reality.

26 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:10:05pm

re: #20 Oh no…Sand People!

As opposed to being polluted by…?

Subjects other than Lost.

27 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:10:16pm

I’ve timed-out The Kid’s TV, and that time-out applies to all the TV’s in this house.

Well, except for the one in my office.

28 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:10:31pm

Hell, let’s just nuke the waste!
o_O

29 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:10:50pm

re: #9 Renaissance_Man

Come on mate. You’re supposed to be teaching God’s Word, because that’s what’s best for young people, rather than teaching them in the World, remember? And in God’s Word, there is no ‘ancient plant and animal life’ to biodegrade.

At least be internally consistent with the stupid.

Really. What did Jesus say about nuclear dumping, again?

/

30 What, me worry?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:11:03pm

re: #14 Nimed

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

There’s always text based gaming :p

31 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:11:19pm

re: #17 Aceofwhat?

it’s raining?

I’m going into a tunnel?

32 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:11:22pm

re: #25 eclectic infidel

Yeah, I’ll a drug addled liberal over a batshit crazy homophobic anti science right winger any day.

33 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:11:35pm

re: #18 EmmmieG

I am against dropping anything radioactive into an area that tectonically active.

Why? Tectonics won’t affect that kind of coffin. The concept is that the coffins will be subducted with other ocean sediments and recycled into the upper mantle, where the radioactive elements in place in the first place

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:11:45pm

re: #27 MandyManners

I’ve timed-out The Kid’s TV, and that time-out applies to all the TV’s in this house.

Well, except for the one in my office.

Friend of mine used to take away her son’s X-box set-up whenever his grades were bad. She came home one day to find that he had neatly boxed the whole thing up, and left his report card on top of it, with a note saying he was at a friend’s, getting biology notes.

35 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:11:50pm

re: #32 Irenicum

Um, add “take” into that sentence and it works better. Duh!

36 What, me worry?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:12:18pm

I thought Oregon was like ultra-liberal. Neo-liberal, one could say.

37 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:12:44pm

re: #36 marjoriemoon

Remember this is the GOP candidate though.

38 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:12:49pm

re: #20 Oh no…Sand People!

As opposed to being polluted by…?

Ayers, Wright, and if its okay to wear the American Flag on the fifth of May….

39 Olsonist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:12:58pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, they dumped nuclear waste off of the Farallones, more than 44,000 drums. The Farallones are about 27 miles from San Francisco.

40 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:33pm

re: #36 marjoriemoon

I thought Oregon was like ultra-liberal. Neo-liberal, one could say.

Western half, yes. Eastern half? Not so much.

41 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:36pm

re: #36 marjoriemoon

And the modern GOP is, well, kinda crazy right now.

42 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:42pm

re: #25 eclectic infidel

Given that he’s a right-wing conservative, he’s most likely clean. Perhaps he actually needs to smoke a few rolls to gain a better perspective on reality.

Have you ever thought about the fourteenth amendment man, I mean, really thought about it?

43 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:45pm

re: #14 Nimed

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

And what the fuck are you, the thread police? The last thread was 500 plus comments into the thread when I posted something about LOST… and guess what, there are LOST fans here… no one is forcing you to read them, comment on them or participate in any fucking way.

Don’t get me started.

44 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:47pm

re: #4 MandyManners

Oregon’s 4th Congressional District?

Buncha’ fucking drug-addled folks.

Well, this guy is high on Bad Craziness.

45 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:48pm

re: #39 Olsonist

Yes, they dumped nuclear waste off of the Farallones, more than 44,000 drums. The Farallones are about 27 miles from San Francisco.

Well, that’s stupid.

46 What, me worry?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:50pm

re: #37 Irenicum

Remember this is the GOP candidate though.

Yea, but I don’t think he has much of a chance tho.

47 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:51pm

re: #32 Irenicum

Yeah, I’ll a drug addled liberal over a batshit crazy homophobic anti science right winger any day.

Well, one need not be completely baked 7 days a week, nearly 24 hours a day to appreciate the intellectual benefits of a certain naturally occurring substance.

Just sayin’.

48 Gus  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:13:56pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

Hell, let’s just nuke the waste!
o_O

Nothing a little Vitamin C can’t clear up.

//

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:14:07pm

re: #39 Olsonist

Yes, they dumped nuclear waste off of the Farallones, more than 44,000 drums. The Farallones are about 27 miles from San Francisco.

Yeah. We used to go out there to fish when I was a wee lass.

50 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:14:22pm

re: #36 marjoriemoon

I thought Oregon was like ultra-liberal. Neo-liberal, one could say.

Also indicative of the no-true-Scotsman like Republican that would run for office there. There are thin pickings often in poorly contested races. This would likely be on the fringe of the Republican party.

51 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:14:36pm

I am all for dumping waste in the 4th district of Oregon.

Just sayin.

52 What, me worry?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:14:39pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Western half, yes. Eastern half? Not so much.

Is this guy in a more conservative district?

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:14:49pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

Well, that’s stupid.

It seemed like a good idea at the time…

54 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:14:51pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Western half, yes. Eastern half? Not so much.

There are pockets of conservatism in the Western half as well.

Generally, Portland and the area around Eugene, Corvallis, etc. tend to be liberal. Linn and Benton county, if my memory serves right.

55 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:15:11pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Encasing nuclear waste first, then putting it in the remotest part of the surface of the Earth, is probably as good an idea as we can come up with to do with the stuff (assuming you don’t want to recycle it through other type of nuclear reactors.)

Yet it’s Robinson’s totally blind faith in the dispensable nature of the environment that is on display here.

Robinsion is one of the original anti-environmentalists. His approach is rooted in his religion. He was creating talking points against AGW, which are still used today by the deniers, before Al Gore got on the issue and started to publicize AGW widely.

In other words, a great deal of the stances people like Palin take on these issues were worked out by Robinson in the 70’s. Robinson and one of his co-authors, Gary North, both disciples of Rushdoony, and their friends were creating the basic talking points decades ago, when Palin was in grade school and Limbaugh was just a horny young man trying to figure out what to do for a career.

The GOP tapped into the mother load of looney when they picked Robinson to bear their banner.

56 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:15:14pm

re: #47 eclectic infidel

We’ed like to hear more.

57 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:15:46pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Western half, yes. Eastern half? Not so much.

Well, the rural west tends to be conservative. Sparsely populated, but conservative.

58 What, me worry?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:16:02pm

re: #50 BryanS

Also indicative of the no-true-Scotsman like Republican that would run for office there. There are thin pickings often in poorly contested races. This would likely be on the fringe of the Republican party.

I’m beginning to worry about all of this fringeyness.

59 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:16:12pm

re: #39 Olsonist

Yes, they dumped nuclear waste off of the Farallones, more than 44,000 drums. The Farallones are about 27 miles from San Francisco.

Well, that explains San Francisco :/)

ducks…


More seriously, hard to imagine anyone thinking of dumping waste in a geologically active area of the country. Why not just stuff it in the steam vents of Yellowstone?

60 Aceofwhat?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:16:21pm

re: #55 freetoken

not that the democrats have been any help on the subject of nuclear waste…

61 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:16:39pm

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

And what the fuck are you, the thread police? The last thread was 500 plus comments into the thread when I posted something about LOST… and guess what, there are LOST fans here… no one is forcing you to read them, comment on them or participate in any fucking way.

Don’t get me started.

Hey, calm down. I like the discussions, in case you haven’t noticed. But if people were getting seriously fed up, I would stop. Just making sure.

62 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:16:43pm

re: #59 BryanS

D’OH!

63 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:16:48pm

re: #52 marjoriemoon

Is this guy in a more conservative district?

Don’t know. I’m in Texas. Oregonians?

64 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:17:05pm

Since I don’t want to ‘pollute’ this thread with ‘lost’…I’ll pollute it by saying my first draft to my first novel is complete!

Whoohoo!

115k + words. Now the editing and revising starts. Then I fish for publishers!

65 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:17:15pm

re: #42 jamesfirecat

Have you ever thought about the fourteenth amendment man, I mean, really thought about it?

Yeah…makes me thing Rand Paul is a racist to think the federal government doesn’t have a role in ensuring equal protection under the law.

66 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:17:23pm

re: #59 BryanS

Hey, I hear it’s quiet right now in the crater of Mt St Helens, plenty of room there. Nothing could ever happen, BP assured me!

67 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:17:41pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Friend of mine used to take away her son’s X-box set-up whenever his grades were bad. She came home one day to find that he had neatly boxed the whole thing up, and left his report card on top of it, with a note saying he was at a friend’s, getting biology notes.

That’s nice.

68 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:17:50pm

re: #42 jamesfirecat

Have you ever thought about the fourteenth amendment man, I mean, really thought about it?

Well, besides a basic understanding of said amendment, no. Am I missing something?

69 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:17:54pm

re: #64 Oh no…Sand People!

Excellente! Congratulations!!!

70 Aceofwhat?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:18:08pm

re: #64 Oh no…Sand People!

Since I don’t want to ‘pollute’ this thread with ‘lost’…I’ll pollute it by saying my first draft to my first novel is complete!

Whoohoo!

115k + words. Now the editing and revising starts. Then I fish for publishers!

good for you…that’s huge!

71 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:18:13pm

If you hear a persistent muffled thumping noise, that is my head hitting my desk after reading “we really ought to Dump Oil and Nuclear Waste at Sea.”

Mommy, this ride is getting scary. I want to go home.

72 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:18:24pm

re: #61 Nimed

Hey, calm down. I like the discussions, in case you haven’t noticed. But if people were getting seriously fed up, I would stop. Just making sure.

Don’t worry, show over, won’t be much more talk of it here.

73 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:18:26pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Well, the rural west tends to be conservative. Sparsely populated, but conservative.

The same thing is true of the rural parts of Maryland.

///Or so I’m told I don’t spend that much time looking out the windows when my parents are driving.

74 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:18:39pm

re: #64 Oh no…Sand People!

Good luck. Finding a publisher is, I am told, something of an art mixed with luck.

75 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:18:40pm

re: #14 Nimed

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

EeeK! LOST has been discussed here over a long time.

76 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:18:45pm

re: #69 Irenicum

I am pretty excited!

Not going for money, just wanted to say I wrote a book before I died.

77 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:19:20pm

re: #71 LudwigVanQuixote

If you hear a persistent muffled thumping noise, that is my head hitting my desk after reading “we really ought to Dump Oil and Nuclear Waste at Sea.”

Mommy, this ride is getting scary. I want to go home.

Image: FaceDesk.gif

78 What, me worry?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:19:21pm

re: #63 austin_blue

Don’t know. I’m in Texas. Oregonians?

Yea, Oregon’s 4th Congressional District. Is that a conservative district? I would think it would have to be, but I don’t know what that means for Oregon.

79 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:19:21pm

re: #58 marjoriemoon

Fringiness will always be with us. When it creeps into a larger race—say a Senatorial race in, oh, let’s pick Kentucky—then it’s time to panic. Oh…crap.

80 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:19:35pm

“In other news Arthur Robinson said that Thermonuclear blasts on land were good for people and could save them a bundle on tanning bed treatments!”

///asshat

81 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:19:38pm

re: #74 freetoken

Good luck. Finding a publisher is, I am told, something of an art mixed with luck.

I have a few leads, and I am keen to find out!

82 Virginia Plain  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:19:48pm

re: #14 Nimed

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

Yes. I never watched that stupid show and now that I know the ending, I’m not interested.

83 Ojoe  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:19:56pm

On this topic, I have thought that it might actually be a solution to the nuclear waste problem, to vitrify the stuff, and put it at the bottom of deep shafts drilled in a subduction zone, because you would be mailing it to the center of the earth, more or less.

If you chose your location on the subduction zone carefully, avoiding places like the Cascades, where the dropping plate makes some volcanoes and burps some of the subduction material back up relatively soon, the vitrified waste might stay down for a long time.

Does any lizard have a geology answer on how long a complete loop back tot he surface might take from a relatively quiet place on a subduction line?

If the time is significantly longer than the longest half lives of the stuff you are trying to get rid of, this burial method might work.

84 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:20:00pm

re: #76 Oh no…Sand People!

I’m there with ya man. Same here. Hasn’t happened yet, but I hope it does after my latest bout of schooling.

85 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:20:30pm

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

Don’t worry, show over, won’t be much more talk of it here.

Can we talk about Arrested Development now? Or maybe Leverage, or better yet Burn Notice?

What do you think Micheal’s constant fixation on yogurt represents?

86 Aceofwhat?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:21:00pm

good night, good people-

87 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:21:16pm

re: #55 freetoken

Encasing nuclear waste first, then putting it in the remotest part of the surface of the Earth, is probably as good an idea as we can come up with to do with the stuff (assuming you don’t want to recycle it through other type of nuclear reactors.)

Yet it’s Robinson’s totally blind faith in the dispensable nature of the environment that is on display here.

Robinsion is one of the original anti-environmentalists. His approach is rooted in his religion. He was creating talking points against AGW, which are still used today by the deniers, before Al Gore got on the issue and started to publicize AGW widely.

In other words, a great deal of the stances people like Palin take on these issues were worked out by Robinson in the 70’s. Robinson and one of his co-authors, Gary North, both disciples of Rushdoony, and their friends were creating the basic talking points decades ago, when Palin was in grade school and Limbaugh was just a horny young man trying to figure out what to do for a career.

The GOP tapped into the mother load of looney when they picked Robinson to bear their banner.

Agreed completely. But the concept is not without merit for research. I t would depend on the construction of the coffins.

88 Political Atheist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:21:19pm

re: #83 Ojoe

Chat with Bagua upthread. Good idea I think.

89 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:21:44pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

That he’s really cultured?

90 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:21:55pm

re: #80 ausador

“In other news Arthur Robinson said that Thermonuclear blasts on land were good for people and could save them a bundle on tanning bed treatments!”

///asshat

It’s how Senator Boehner got his healthy natural looking color!

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:21:58pm

re: #78 marjoriemoon

Yea, Oregon’s 4th Congressional District. Is that a conservative district? I would think it would have to be, but I don’t know what that means for Oregon.

Doesn’t look wildly so.

Been represented by a Democrat since 87.

92 Olsonist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:22:05pm
The GOP tapped into the mother load of looney when they picked Robinson to bear their banner.

Robinson doesn’t stand a chance. So he gets to be a loose cannon since he doesn’t have to worry about losing. The incumbent, DeFazio, won with 80% of the ballots in 2008 and the Reps didn’t even run an opponent. Pretty much anything Robinson says is flame bait for the press. The Dems should still shove Robinson down the Reps throats.

93 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:22:28pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

Can we talk about Arrested Development now? Or maybe Leverage, or better yet Burn Notice?

What do you think Micheal’s constant fixation on yogurt represents?

Dude…Carl Weather’s stew…that. about. killed. me.

“Let me tell you a story about acting. I was with Anne Archer on the set of Iced Heat. Never once touched my perdiem. Went over to crowd services, got some noodles, meat, veggies..baby I got a stew goin!” (paraphrased)…

94 Virginia Plain  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:23:54pm

re: #77 Varek Raith

I prefer this: Image: facepalm.jpg

95 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:24:32pm

Not to go off topic so early, oh wait, that seems to be pointless at this point, anyway, here’s a very cool link about Darwin the experimental psychologist. Damn he was cool.

96 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:24:40pm

re: #93 Oh no…Sand People!

Dude…Carl Weather’s stew…that. about. killed. me.

“Let me tell you a story about acting. I was with Anne Archer on the set of Iced Heat. Never once touched my perdiem. Went over to crowd services, got some noodles, meat, veggies..baby I got a stew goin!” (paraphrased)…

This is ridiculous. I paid 12 American dollars!

97 What, me worry?  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:24:41pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Doesn’t look wildly so.

Been represented by a Democrat since 87.

Pretty overwhelming Democrat, in fact. I think this one’s a no-brainer. In oh so many ways.

98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:24:52pm

Question to Austin and Bagua…

The last thread had the start of a discussion about how to shut down the oil flow from the BP disaster.

Could the two of you please elaborate on what was being discussed earlier.

My basic question is, what is there that is available to plug the hole. Why did we not just try to plug it in the first place. How would we go about doing so?

I am not all together thrilled about the idea of the “junk shot” it sounds porous at best.

What could practically be done to close the damn thing quickly?

BTW I don’t think we could use a nuke because of the depth this is at. I can’t see a crush proof submersible device that would fit the opening being possible to manufacture.

99 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:25:38pm

So the toxic waste just sinks to the bottom doing no damage between ocean surface and floor? I don’t quite buy that.

And oil is good for marine ecosystems? All those damn “biased oceanographers” have warped our minds.

Gee, I wonder how he feels about climate change? Probably thinks it’s good for the earth to heat up. Fewer people will freeze to death.

100 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:25:40pm

re: #75 Bagua

EeeK! LOST has been discussed here over a long time.

*Must restrain Fist Of Death*

101 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:25:45pm

re: #55 freetoken

Encasing nuclear waste first, then putting it in the remotest part of the surface of the Earth, is probably as good an idea as we can come up with to do with the stuff (assuming you don’t want to recycle it through other type of nuclear reactors.)

Yet it’s Robinson’s totally blind faith in the dispensable nature of the environment that is on display here.

Robinsion is one of the original anti-environmentalists. His approach is rooted in his religion. He was creating talking points against AGW, which are still used today by the deniers, before Al Gore got on the issue and started to publicize AGW widely.

In other words, a great deal of the stances people like Palin take on these issues were worked out by Robinson in the 70’s. Robinson and one of his co-authors, Gary North, both disciples of Rushdoony, and their friends were creating the basic talking points decades ago, when Palin was in grade school and Limbaugh was just a horny young man trying to figure out what to do for a career.

The GOP tapped into the mother load of looney when they picked Robinson to bear their banner.

Most animals know not to shit where they eat. The GOP does not.

102 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:25:55pm

re: #96 jamesfirecat

This is ridiculous. I paid 12 American dollars!

But have you seen what evil Carl Weathers has sewn upon us?

[Link: www.changeisbeautiful.net…]

You have been warned.

103 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:26:01pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Well, the rural west tends to be conservative. Sparsely populated, but conservative.

Conservative yes … but “shit where you eat” insane is a new development. The debate used to be over resource management, not the relative wisdom of fouling one’s own nest.

104 webevintage  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:26:42pm

re: #14 Nimed

Quick question: are people getting tired of comment threads polluted by discussions of Lost?

I never, ever get tired of LOST discussions….

105 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:27:06pm

re: #101 LudwigVanQuixote

Most animals know not to shit where they eat. The GOP does not.

GMTA

106 recusancy  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:27:23pm

re: #63 austin_blue

Don’t know. I’m in Texas. Oregonians?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

107 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:27:49pm

re: #99 palomino

So the toxic waste just sinks to the bottom doing no damage between ocean surface and floor? I don’t quite buy that.

And oil is good for marine ecosystems? All those damn “biased oceanographers” have warped our minds.

Gee, I wonder how he feels about climate change? Probably thinks it’s good for the earth to heat up. Fewer people will freeze to death.

I am sure he thinks that the Earth is unchanging as decreed by the hand of God and that therefore we can not mess it up.

108 webevintage  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:28:22pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

Can we talk about Arrested Development now? Or maybe Leverage, or better yet Burn Notice?

What do you think Micheal’s constant fixation on yogurt represents?

Bruce Campbell is a god…..

109 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:29:06pm

re: #95 Irenicum

Not to go off topic so early, oh wait, that seems to be pointless at this point, anyway, here’s a very cool link about Darwin the experimental psychologist. Damn he was cool.

Cool indeed. A great reference for the creationcretin science proponents when they ask to to justify why humans don’t just kill each other without god there to stop them. They somehow don’t get how social rules and psychology could have evolved.

110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:29:07pm

re: #106 recusancy

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

No touching the coast. Sorry. I just like it too much.

111 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:29:10pm

re: #108 webevintage

Bruce Campbell is a god…

In eighteen hundred one,
the revolution had been won….

112 Irenicum  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:29:12pm

re: #108 webevintage

Except for Bubba Hotep. What the hell was he thinking?

113 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:29:22pm

re: #82 Virginia Plain

Yes. I never watched that stupid show and now that I know the ending, I’m not interested.

Well, at least you have nothing else to lose. They say freedom is just another word for that.

114 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:29:55pm

re: #99 palomino

Gee, I wonder how he feels about climate change?


He is the progenitor of the Oregon Petition. Follow Charles’ link to the LFG post for lots of information.

115 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:30:09pm

re: #112 Irenicum

Except for Bubba Hotep. What the hell was he thinking?

Probably the same thing he was when he decided to be in Congo…

116 Mark Pennington  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:30:17pm

Every time this man opens his mouth…someone need to shove a bar of soap in his mouth to clean up the filth he spews.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:30:27pm

re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote

I am sure he thinks that the Earth is unchanging as decreed by the hand of God and that therefore we can not mess it up.

The Cosmic Toddler Gate theory.

I don’t buy it.

118 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:31:29pm

re: #100 Bagua

*Must restrain Fist Of Death*

Alice, is that you?

/Dilbert joke

119 recusancy  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:31:29pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Doesn’t look wildly so.

Been represented by a Democrat since 87.

Actually it’s been Dem since ‘75.

120 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:31:36pm

re: #100 Bagua

*Must restrain Fist Of Death*

re: #104 webevintage

I never, ever get tired of LOST discussions…

Alright, alright. We can talk about the Middle East to calm things down.

121 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:32:29pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

The Cosmic Toddler Gate theory.

I don’t buy it.

Neither did Elugelab…
;)

122 Ojoe  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:32:44pm

re: #113 Nimed

Janis !

123 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:32:47pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

The Cosmic Toddler Gate theory.

I don’t buy it.

Nor should you.

It is pretty easy to discredit that idea quickly. Consider what an all out nuclear exchange would do to the environment in two hours.

Yes, we can completely fuck up the Earth to the extent that we make ourselves extinct. Yes the Earth will still be here. We, and many other species would not be though.

124 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:33:05pm

How can we pick out more fucking nuts in the GOP?

125 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:33:37pm

re: #124 MandyManners

How can we pick out more fucking nuts in the GOP?

Show a group photo?

126 recusancy  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:33:38pm

re: #124 MandyManners

How can we pick out more fucking nuts in the GOP?

Stay the course.

127 Stanley Sea  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:33:46pm

re: #51 Oh no…Sand People!

I am all for dumping waste in the 4th district of Oregon.

Just sayin.

I just saw the Sec. of Energy Steven Chu on Maddow. He has better ideas. Smart guy.

128 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:33:54pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

The Cosmic Toddler Gate theory.

I don’t buy it.

Neither do I. It speaks to a very simplistic understanding of Christianity and God in general.

129 sagehen  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:34:15pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

Can we talk about Arrested Development now? Or maybe Leverage, or better yet Burn Notice?

What do you think Micheal’s constant fixation on yogurt represents?


Burn Notice returns June 3, Leverage June 20.

And that’s all I’ll say about either of them until the season premieres have aired. (also really excited about White Collar, which doesn’t come back until mid-July… and there’ll be a white collar/burn notice crossover episode in August!!!)

130 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:34:43pm

Robinson really is the mother load of looney. He has extensive online archives of all his looniness.

He is a phony. On occasion he might stumble upon the truth, but I’m convinced that is only accidental.

Encourage everybody to go to his central site:
[Link: www.oism.org…]
and check out the people with whom he associates. As John Mashey points out, look closely at Jane Orient.

Go through his hundreds of online articles and archives. As I noted above, you’ll probably find a few things that sound just fine (and with which you might even agree), but keep digging. Like all the great con-men of our time, Robinson knows how to mix the truth with the lies, in order to get you to buy the lies.

131 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:34:47pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Neither do I. It speaks to a very simplistic understanding of Christianity and God in general.

These are teabaggers and wingnuts.

Expect simple.

132 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:35:10pm

re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote

I am sure he thinks that the Earth is unchanging as decreed by the hand of God and that therefore we can not mess it up.

No need to ascribe religious motives, it’s also possible that he’s just a bizarre little man with a disgusting filth and scat fetish.

134 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:36:35pm

re: #122 Ojoe

Janis !

*sigh*
Frankly, I don’t know what she saw in that Bobby dude.

135 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:36:58pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

No, he is a hardcore, Van Til-ian presuppositional Christian Reconstructionist, a disciple of Rushdoony, co-author with Gary North, creationist and theocrat.

136 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:37:19pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

No need to ascribe religious motives, it’s also possible that he’s just a bizarre little man with a disgusting filth and scat fetish.

Given the way that the more religious wingnuts keep getting caught doing illicit things, I am not certain that fetish excludes religious motives for his other statements…

137 elizajane  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:37:19pm

re: #64 Oh no…Sand People!

Since I don’t want to ‘pollute’ this thread with ‘lost’…I’ll pollute it by saying my first draft to my first novel is complete!

Whoohoo!

115k + words. Now the editing and revising starts. Then I fish for publishers!

Way to go! I finished the first chapter of my (non-fiction) book today, at a staggering 27,000 words. The 89,000-word YA time-travel novel is still out looking for an agent.

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:37:37pm

re: #4 MandyManners

Oregon’s 4th Congressional District?

Buncha’ fucking drug-addled folks.

Hey Mandy, eat a full bag

139 Ojoe  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:38:17pm

re: #134 Nimed

Hot young sex on the road, a feeling of immediacy, the wind ruffling your shirt in the summer; winter far off.

140 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:39:06pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

No need to ascribe religious motives, it’s also possible that he’s just a bizarre little man with a disgusting filth and scat fetish.

There is however a strange commingling of Creationism and anti-environmentalism these days. Probably shouldn’t assume religious motives are involved, but current evidence requires we inquire if that’s the case.

141 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:39:30pm

re: #137 elizajane

Way to go! I finished the first chapter of my (non-fiction) book today, at a staggering 27,000 words. The 89,000-word YA time-travel novel is still out looking for an agent.

You ever check out Michael Stackpoles site? [Link: www.stormwolf.com…]

He has some pretty cool stuff on there and makes a solid case for digital publishing.
My market is sooo niche, that I might have to self publish, but that’s a last resort.

142 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:39:35pm

re: #138 WindUpBird

Hey Mandy, eat a full bag

I’m sure it wouldn’t contain testicles so, I’ll look into that suggestion.

143 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:40:18pm

re: #124 MandyManners

How can we pick out more fucking nuts in the GOP?

It will get worse before it gets better.

144 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:40:46pm

re: #129 sagehen

Burn Notice returns June 3, Leverage June 20.

And that’s all I’ll say about either of them until the season premieres have aired. (also really excited about White Collar, which doesn’t come back until mid-July… and there’ll be a white collar/burn notice crossover episode in August!!!)

It’ll be interesting to see how they pull that off. My guess is they bring Neal Caffrey down to Miami.

145 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:40:52pm

Well, ‘teh offspring’ must be put to sleep.

Later all.

146 elizajane  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:41:17pm

re: #130 freetoken

Robinson really is the mother load of looney. He has extensive online archives of all his looniness.

He is a phony. On occasion he might stumble upon the truth, but I’m convinced that is only accidental.

Encourage everybody to go to his central site:
[Link: www.oism.org…]
and check out the people with whom he associates. As John Mashey points out, look closely at Jane Orient.

Go through his hundreds of online articles and archives. As I noted above, you’ll probably find a few things that sound just fine (and with which you might even agree), but keep digging. Like all the great con-men of our time, Robinson knows how to mix the truth with the lies, in order to get you to buy the lies.

I particularly liked the article on the evils of sugar at the homeschooling website, a bizarre mix of the self-flagellating confessional mode (“my wife and I used to bake chocolate chip cookies! Then we repented because they were destroying our brains, and instead we found the Lord!”) and dire, dire warning (“if you let your children eat sugar, they will have no defense against the devil”). I’m paraphrasing but it’s worth a read. Then go eat a chocolate chip cookie.

147 Ojoe  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:41:32pm

re: #142 MandyManners

Haggis

148 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:41:45pm

re: #140 BryanS

There is however a strange commingling of Creationism and anti-environmentalism these days. Probably shouldn’t assume religious motives are involved, but current evidence requires we inquire if that’s the case.

The problem is that the environmentkeeps providing proof of evolution/natural selection and that makes the creationists hate it.

149 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:42:23pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

It’ll be interesting to see how they pull that off. My guess is they bring Neal Caffrey down to Miami.

My brother is still waiting for the episode where the Leverage team pulls a job in Miami and Sam ends up hitting on Parker/Sophie….

150 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:42:26pm

re: #143 Nimed

It will get worse before it gets better.

Well, you’re not a Republican so, I’ll give your advice the weight it deserves.

151 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:42:28pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Neither do I. It speaks to a very simplistic understanding of Christianity and God in general.

I agree, but of course I tend to think that ALL human understanding of God must, by definition, be simplistic.

152 recusancy  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:43:24pm

re: #130 freetoken

Robinson really is the mother load of looney. He has extensive online archives of all his looniness.

He is a phony. On occasion he might stumble upon the truth, but I’m convinced that is only accidental.

Encourage everybody to go to his central site:
[Link: www.oism.org…]
and check out the people with whom he associates. As John Mashey points out, look closely at Jane Orient.

Go through his hundreds of online articles and archives. As I noted above, you’ll probably find a few things that sound just fine (and with which you might even agree), but keep digging. Like all the great con-men of our time, Robinson knows how to mix the truth with the lies, in order to get you to buy the lies.

Look through this site too: [Link: www.accesstoenergy.com…] He has some really crazy rantings there going back quite a ways.

153 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:43:52pm

re: #143 Nimed

It will get worse before it gets better.

OK…figured I’d try to find some aphorisms as a funny followup quip to your post. But I found the perfect one, and on topic considering Mandy’s retort to the suggestion she eat a bag.

If it has tires or testicles, you’re going to have trouble with it.—Linda Furney, U.S. politician

reference here

So Mandy, your name doesn’t happen to be Linda Furney, does it :?)

154 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:43:53pm

Oregon Uber Alles!

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:44:50pm

re: #146 elizajane

I particularly liked the article on the evils of sugar at the homeschooling website, a bizarre mix of the self-flagellating confessional mode (“my wife and I used to bake chocolate chip cookies! Then we repented because they were destroying our brains, and instead we found the Lord!”) and dire, dire warning (“if you let your children eat sugar, they will have no defense against the devil”). I’m paraphrasing but it’s worth a read. Then go eat a chocolate chip cookie.

If chocolate chip cookies are of Satan, there is no hope for my husband.

156 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:45:42pm

re: #146 elizajane

Yeah, his wife’s food fetishes sound a bit extreme. Now, I for one have no doubt that we feed ourselves too much sugar here in this country. But to try and eliminate sugar completely really is an extremist position. Robinson’s wife even objected to giving her kids fruit juices (real fruit juices) because she was afraid they contained too much sugar.

This is the kind of extremism we are talking about.

157 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:45:50pm

Only The Great MandyManners would take the opportunity to trash the entire south coast of Oregon (and wow like, she lived there so she totally knows, she’s very credible) on a thread regarding a fringe psycho GOP candidate. Who, may I add, would be lucky to get 20% of the vote because the GOP is so completely neutered in the district they didn’t even field a candidate in 2008! Marvelous!

158 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:46:15pm

re: #142 MandyManners

I’m sure it wouldn’t contain testicles so, I’ll look into that suggestion.

It’s great watching you try and play internet, keep it up!

159 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:46:31pm

My beloved Miss S. was just explaining to me that as a man, of course I am wrong.

She left a recipe book here three weeks ago. I was not aware of this.

It is my fault she does not have a recipe she wanted.

I accept this. It is my lot.

;)

160 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:46:50pm

re: #150 MandyManners

Well, you’re not a Republican so, I’ll give your advice the weight it deserves.

That wasn’t advice, Mandy. It was a prediction.

161 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:47:47pm

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

Question to Austin and Bagua…

The last thread had the start of a discussion about how to shut down the oil flow from the BP disaster.

Could the two of you please elaborate on what was being discussed earlier.

My basic question is, what is there that is available to plug the hole. Why did we not just try to plug it in the first place. How would we go about doing so?

From what I understand, the BOP did close, however there was a tiny leak which eroded into a larger leak. This is why there was no leak initially, and the leak appears to have grown.

Thus the follow on attempts to activate the BOPs where ineffective, also, at least half of them would have failed anyway and some of them were destroyed during the initial blow out.

The other question is the effect the kink in the riser is having, it may be slowing down the leak, but also eroding. Should one be capped, the leak will get greater closer to the BOP as the pressure and flow would increase.

This is also why they are not trying to inject mud through the capped drill pipe that was leaking, despite the valve put on it. They could cause a much greater leak, 5x or more larger.

I am not all together thrilled about the idea of the “junk shot” it sounds porous at best.

The junk shot is the second top kill choice, first they will try to pump mud into the well through the choke and kill lines.

What could practically be done to close the damn thing quickly?

I believe that is the central problem. Nothing can be done quickly, because nothing was ready. The BOPs are unfit for purpose. They are trying things that are unproven at this depth. They are ready to drill at this depth but they are not ready to deal with a blow out at this depth.

BTW I don’t think we could use a nuke because of the depth this is at. I can’t see a crush proof submersible device that would fit the opening being possible to manufacture.

The relief well will be active long before anything like this could be invented and produced.

Alternatively, if Austin_Blue is correct then the BOP is doing nothing, and everything else is futile. In which case there is no downside to trying a Red Adair with another stack of BOPs as the relief well is the first, real option. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.)

162 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:47:55pm

re: #157 WindUpBird

I expect he’ll get 40% of the vote, just like the last real GOP candidate in that district, during a mid-term.

163 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:48:31pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Alice, is that you?

/Dilbert joke

Spot on.

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:49:27pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I’ve got drugs in the fridge right now! This drug is 6.5% by volume, but sadly not from the Euge, it’s from Ashland. :D

165 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:49:32pm

Here’s another aphorism just about any extremist could learn from:

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.—Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut (—1994), U.S. computer scientist/professor

166 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:49:50pm

re: #146 elizajane

I rebuke you! Sugar! I rebuke you!

Our society is crumbling. Just yesterday, I saw a scantily clad brown woman - who I am certain was here illegally, eating a snickers bar! It is even shaped like something unmentionable!

The Devil makes sin sweet!


/////

167 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:50:09pm

re: #158 WindUpBird

It’s great watching you try and play internet, keep it up!

“try *and* play”

168 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:50:42pm

re: #147 Ojoe

Haggis

Now, now, a proper haggis contains the heart, liver, and lungs of a sheep with oats and salt and pepper. It’s boiled in the sheep’s stomach. Done well, it’s edible. Topped with a whiskey cream sauce, it can be quite good.

Been there, done that, paid in Scottish Pounds.

169 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:50:50pm

re: #167 MandyManners

“try *and* play”

Get a room you two!
/
:P

170 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:50:56pm

There is no “try”.

171 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:51:11pm

re: #161 Bagua

Thank you for that detailed and thoughtful response.

172 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:51:16pm

re: #165 BryanS

Here’s another aphorism just about any extremist could learn from:

Marge I now agree with you in theory, in theory communism works!

173 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:51:28pm

re: #164 WindUpBird

Buy locally, think globally.
/Namaste

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:52:44pm

re: #162 freetoken

I expect he’ll get 40% of the vote, just like the last real GOP candidate in that district, during a mid-term.

Feldkamp’s family is influential in Oregon. (Umpqua) This guy, not so much. If Feldkamp got under 40%, I don’t think this dude will do better. Maybe 30%? Maybe the people who would vote for anything with an R? But I think that’s sub 30%.

175 zoidberg  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:53:06pm

Charles,

Is this another Onion article you’re posting here? Pretty funny stuff!

176 tigger2005  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:53:15pm

I’m all for this dumping business. With any luck it will result in 50 ft long mutant sharks who will bite off Arthur Robinson’s ass (which is where his brains obviously reside).

177 Political Atheist  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:53:35pm

re: #133 Ojoe
Look again. I swear you found the coolest webcam ever.

Now with the stars.

178 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:53:36pm

re: #175 zoidberg

Charles,

Is this another Onion article you’re posting here? Pretty funny stuff!

Poe’s Law strikes again I’m afraid…

179 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:53:45pm

re: #168 austin_blue

Now, now, a proper haggis contains the heart, liver, and lungs of a sheep with oats and salt and pepper. It’s boiled in the sheep’s stomach. Done well, it’s edible. Topped with a whiskey cream sauce, it can be quite good.

Been there, done that, paid in Scottish Pounds.

nods…

tries to push rising lump in throat back to stomach level….

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:53:50pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Buy locally, think globally.
/Namaste

I am SUCH a S.N.O.B.

181 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:54:01pm

re: #170 MandyManners

There is no “try”.

Quick geeky references:
“Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.” - Yoda
“There is no spoon” - young skinhead from the Matrix

182 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:54:09pm

re: #175 zoidberg

Image: Sten.png

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:54:15pm

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote

nods…

tries to push rising lump in throat back to stomach level…

There’s probably worse in most sausages :D

184 Ojoe  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:54:44pm

re: #177 Rightwingconspirator

And fireflies too

It’s a cool one for sure

185 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:55:05pm

Back to GAZE.

186 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:55:21pm

re: #172 jamesfirecat

Marge I now agree with you in theory, in theory communism works!

“Ironic, isn’t it Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That’s democracy for you.” — Mr. Burns


Seems like that’s who we have in office sometimes, doesn’t it?

187 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:56:32pm

re: #174 WindUpBird

I’m expecting him to get an anti-incumbent mood bump.

188 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:56:33pm

re: #124 MandyManners

How can we pick out more fucking nuts in the GOP?

Time. More will emerge as 2012 approaches. We’ve got front row seats here at LGF.

189 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:56:50pm

re: #161 Bagua

The relief well will be active long before anything like this could be invented and produced.

Alternatively, if Austin_Blue is correct then the BOP is doing nothing, and everything else is futile. In which case there is no downside to trying a Red Adair with another stack of BOPs as the relief well is the first, real option. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.)

Bagua -you seem to have a good understanding of this (and you can put it into words a normal person can understand - AustinBlue does a good job too!). I’ve enjoyed reading y’alls take on this.

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:57:24pm

re: #185 MandyManners

Back to GAZE.

haha like clockwork

191 zoidberg  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:57:44pm

re: #178 jamesfirecat

Poe’s Law strikes again I’m afraid…

Shuddup Nazi!

/Godwin’s law! :)

192 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:58:09pm

I didn’t realize this was the Robinson of the Robinson method.

The Robinson method works great if your children have really smart parents and don’t have ADD. I have a friend for whom it works. It wouldn’t work for me—too little ability to sit still.

All Homeschoolers recognize that TV and junk food are not good for your kids in large amounts. How much each family allows their children varies.

I suck at restricting sugar, but I do mostly cook dinner from scratch. (I will confess to freezer lasagna.) We only eat fast food on vacation when we don’t have access to a kitchen.

We don’t own a TV, but they do watch stuff on the computer, and not just educational. (Unless Loony Tunes and Doctor Who somehow became educational. I still hold out Mythbusters as educational.)

193 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:58:42pm

re: #186 BryanS

“Ironic, isn’t it Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That’s democracy for you.” — Mr. Burns

Seems like that’s who we have in office sometimes, doesn’t it?

“A gay President in 2084?” “We’re realistic.”

194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:59:11pm

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

My beloved Miss S. was just explaining to me that as a man, of course I am wrong.

She left a recipe book here three weeks ago. I was not aware of this.

It is my fault she does not have a recipe she wanted.

I accept this. It is my lot.

;)

Well, according to the Stalkers, if you sent a recipe from it in for the LGF cookbook, you’re a “Buttmuncher”. Seriously, their latest thread is devoted to hurling schoolyard taunts and the Cookbook cover.

195 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 8:59:23pm

re: #143 Nimed

It will get worse before it gets better.

And you know, that’s a good thing. We need to see the bad seeds in the mix. Who to expose, and who to support. Knowledge is power, still.

196 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:00:55pm

re: #185 MandyManners

Back to GAZE.

You’ll be sorry when yet another Lost discussion comes up…

197 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:00:56pm

re: #187 freetoken

I’m expecting him to get an anti-incumbent mood bump.

Maa-a-a-a-a-ybe, but I doubt it. I live near that district, and I visit people in Eugene regularly, I do not see the average UofO employee or Eugene local going anti-incumbent against DeFazio. It’d be like people in Portland going anti-incumbent against Blumenhauer, who is arguably less of a representative of our district, and more of a living personification of Portland values made flesh. :D

198 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:01:08pm

re: #190 WindUpBird

Notice that the GAZE thing has almost totally died out btw?

Ridicule does work!

199 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:01:13pm

re: #192 EmmmieG

A while back he claimed about 3% of all homeschoolers nationwide use his method.

200 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:01:29pm

re: #183 WindUpBird

There’s probably worse in most sausages :D

Actually the single most unkosher food is a banger or a blood sausage.

The traditional way to make one is:

Collect a bucket of pig blood.

Let it clot.

Collect the clots with flour and spices and stuff into a pig intestine.

Fry and serve frequently with dairy.

Now this may taste so good it it akin to the pleasure of experiencing the pure love of a virtuous woman. I am never going to find out. Even if it were kosher, my queasiness goes through the roof on this one.

If there is any food more unkosher, I simply don’t want to think about it. For those who don’t know, the blood taboo is the largest of the offenses.

201 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:01:40pm

re: #198 windsagio

Notice that the GAZE thing has almost totally died out btw?

Ridicule does work!

Gaze

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:02:35pm

re: #198 windsagio

That and some of us damn kids sorta bring our own internet culture with us ;-)

203 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:02:37pm

re: #200 LudwigVanQuixote

They don’t actually taste that hot either, so don’t worry that you’re missing something.

204 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:02:42pm

re: #197 WindUpBird

I wouldn’t expect the UoO crowd to vote for Robinson. Yet that is only a fraction of the district. All those people who live in the hills, in small towns, etc. are likely more open to his message.

205 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:02:43pm

re: #199 freetoken

A while back he claimed about 3% of all homeschoolers nationwide use his method.

It works well for some people, and it has the advantage that Moms have to do very little.

206 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:02:50pm

re: #185 MandyManners

Back to GAZE.

Do that if you need to. Sometimes WUB is infuriating. Some of that is just that I take things very seriously, so whimsy is difficult for me.

207 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:02:55pm

re: #198 windsagio

Notice that the GAZE thing has almost totally died out btw?

Ridicule does work!

My theory is that people eventually realized this man was unbeatable.

208 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:03:21pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

Don’t make me hunt you down with the Desert Eagle .50 cal, that I totally own!


/lol internet threats.

209 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:03:24pm

re: #193 jamesfirecat

“A gay President in 2084?” “We’re realistic.”

That show just has some great commentary sometimes.

210 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:03:24pm

re: #161 Bagua

The relief well will be active long before anything like this could be invented and produced.

Alternatively, if Austin_Blue is correct then the BOP is doing nothing, and everything else is futile. In which case there is no downside to trying a Red Adair with another stack of BOPs as the relief well is the first, real option. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.)

No, that’s my point. They need to remove cut the riser over and remove the existing stack as much as they can, leaving the base and whatever components above it to keep it anchored, and lower two shear rams over it, screw them down, and squeeze off the release.

But that is the obvious fix. I must assume that BP (which wants to stop this disaster more than anyone) has determined that cutting away the riser from the BOP stack would be worse than not doing so.

Here’s what I can confidently tell you. The top kill and the junk shot won’t work. The downhole pressure ( +/- 13,000 psi) and the top down pressure capacity against it (3,000 psi) make it physically impossible. They will be pissing into the wind.

211 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:03:30pm

re: #166 LudwigVanQuixote

I rebuke you! Sugar! I rebuke you!

Our society is crumbling. Just yesterday, I saw a scantily clad brown woman - who I am certain was here illegally, eating a snickers bar! It is even shaped like something unmentionable!

The Devil makes sin sweet!

///

The fact that you didn’t immediately contact I.C.E. can only mean one thing:

You’re a socialist who hates America.

///

212 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:04:16pm

Hey everyone…just got home from a little party we threw for some friends who were flying home today from Ethiopia with their new daughter (she’s beautiful, by the way…). I deboned a whole leg of lamb which I marinated in olive oil, rosemary, and garlic over night, and then trimmed the fat off a 10lb sirloin and cut it into three threeish pound roasts…salted and soyed and peppered and sugared and let sit for a few hours. These (and some Hebrew National franks my wife brought from the ball park) all went on the BBQ…another friend, who runs a wine import/distributorship, provided the liquid love…other hits were a salad from the owners of Bi-Rite grocery (they also stocked the fridge for the returning family so they wouldn’t have to go shopping this week), and a thai pasta salad which I have to say, was my choice when dessert came out (cheesecakes, muffins tortes, etc.)

It really was a lovely afternoon. You can’t beat quality time with good friends.

213 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:04:41pm

re: #208 windsagio

Don’t make me hunt you down with the Desert Eagle .50 cal, that I totally own!

/lol internet threats.

Lol, I got a freaking super laser. Do your worst!

214 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:04:50pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

Gaze

It’s different when you do it. You’ve got a FORCE GAZE, that can actually kill the troll.

/This is a joke.

215 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:04:50pm

re: #204 freetoken

I would be shocked, shocked if any (R) can win that district, especially right now. Even if everything else went Red, Eugene, Springfield, and Albany would hold it.

216 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:04:58pm

Rand Paul and the Kooky Fox News Judge


Rand Paul, the Republican candidate for the Senate in Kentucky, says he backed out of Sunday’s “Meet the Press” appearance because he was fearful of liberal media attacks. But avoiding the media won’t stop the questions about the candidate’s controversial views and associations. These include 9/11 conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and Fox News judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano, who was recently on Fox News claiming that Arizona’s new immigration law has made it into a Nazi state.

Going beyond anything the far-left “progressives” have said about it, Napolitano claimed the Arizona immigration law, which was crafted with an eye to constitutional challenges, would bankrupt the state because of the costs of enforcing it. He then went on the Alex Jones show to repeat these and other wild criticisms of the measure. Ironically, these comments were judged too extreme even for Alex Jones, a 9/11 truther who raised money for Rand Paul and appears regularly on the Kremlin-financed Russia Today television channel.

Napolitano promoted Rand Paul’s campaign for the Senate on several occasions on his own Freedom Watch program on Foxnews.com and when he hosted the Glenn Beck program on Fox News Channel.

217 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:05:17pm

re: #209 BryanS

That show just has some great commentary sometimes.

Yes it does.

Though I’ll admit most of it is aimed right at Fox and the Republican roots but they did actually put a zinger in at the Democrats every so often and I’m glad they don’t swing entirely one way….

218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:05:29pm

re: #204 freetoken

I wouldn’t expect the UoO crowd to vote for Robinson. Yet that is only a fraction of the district. All those people who live in the hills, in small towns, etc. are likely more open to his message.

It’s a fraction of the district in size, it’s half of the district by population. The metro area of Eugene is half the population of the entire district. Eugene is liberal the way Motorhead is loud. U of O is the largest employer in the state.

219 webevintage  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:05:47pm

re: #205 EmmmieG

It works well for some people, and it has the advantage that Moms have to do very little.

Yeah.
It really helps to have self-motivated kids…..

220 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:05:57pm

re: #212 darthstar

You sir are making me regret that in 20 minutes I have to go to work, eating pizza rolls and diet pepsi.

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:06:07pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

Lol, I got a freaking super laser. Do your worst!

You cannot defeat the quad laser!

222 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:06:25pm

re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote

I am sure he thinks that the Earth is unchanging as decreed by the hand of God and that therefore we can not mess it up.

It’s all part of the Christian prosperity doctrine pushed by some evangelicals. Basically we are here to rape the earth and use up all its bounty. It offers a convenient justification for ignoring everything environmentalists want.

And we don’t need to worry—God sorts it all out in the end. If San Francisco starts to take on water from rising sea levels, it’s only because God is punishing the sodomites and fornicators.

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:06:38pm

re: #215 windsagio

I would be shocked, shocked if any (R) can win that district, especially right now. Even if everything else went Red, Eugene, Springfield, and Albany would hold it.

Eugene metro : 350000 people.

224 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:06:47pm

re: #221 WindUpBird

You cannot defeat the quad laser!

Rofl.

225 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:06:53pm

re: #220 windsagio

You sir are making me regret that in 20 minutes I have to go to work, eating pizza rolls and diet pepsi.

mmm…pizza rolls. Love ‘em!

226 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:07:08pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

I’ll use my nerd power ot prove your turbolaser is nonsense!


On the other hand, if the Force can stop lasers, I’d imagine even BIG bullets aren’t much of a problem.

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:07:15pm

re: #224 Varek Raith

Rofl.

JUMPING

IS USELESS

228 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:07:29pm

re: #225 darthstar

Cheap, fast, and I totally can’t cook.

229 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:07:46pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

Bagua -you seem to have a good understanding of this (and you can put it into words a normal person can understand - AustinBlue does a good job too!). I’ve enjoyed reading y’alls take on this.

Why thank you my Queen. I have been wading through reams of conflicting reports and comments and am trying to isolate what sounds accurate. Having Austin_Blues’s expertise is filling in a lot of blanks.

230 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:07:51pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

Lol, I got a freaking super laser. Do your worst!

Silly Sith…. Does your super laser still have an off button that one little Jedi padawan can push?

For that matter your second superlaser had an off button too.

And come to think of it, that droid army, all controlled from one control cruiser… off button.

I mean even James bond villains eventually learned not to build obvious off buttons into their installations…

231 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:08:05pm

re: #226 windsagio

I’ll use my nerd power ot prove your turbolaser is nonsense!

On the other hand, if the Force can stop lasers, I’d imagine even BIG bullets aren’t much of a problem.

I was wrong. There IS such thing as a Turbo Laser! Image: 1991.plymouth.laser.8926-396x249.jpg

232 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:08:18pm
233 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:08:54pm

re: #230 LudwigVanQuixote

2 characteristics of Star Wars villians:

“UGLY”

and

“EASILY THWARTED BY DAMN KIDS”

Mystery, Inc. Would have the Empire for lunch.

234 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:09:01pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

It’s different when you do it. You’ve got a FORCE GAZE, that can actually kill the troll.

/This is a joke.

DF, anyone who thinks a joke about killing trolls with a force gaze is anything other than geek humor deserves to be ridiculed. Seriously ridiculed.

235 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:09:15pm

In 1976, Robinson’s newsletter (ATE) published this rebuttal of the “greenhouse theory”:

THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT

I’ll let Ludwig do the detail exposition of his errors, but the point I want to make is that here is Robinson, in 1976, before Hansen or Gore started to publicize AGW, creating the very talking points one still finds today in the comments at HotWingNuts, TownHall, etc:

From the link:

It is true that the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere has slightly increased in the last 100 years; but the evidence that this is due to human activity is, at best, very flimsy. (As usual, man’s activities are puny compared to the gigantic CO production be Mother Nature.)

and

The greenhouse effect is also genuine, as call be demonstrated with a piece of glass and a spectrometer. But it hardly affects the temperature of a greenhouse, which gets its warmth almost exclusively by the lack of ventilation - as proved in l909 by physicist R.W Wood, who covered one greenhouse with glass and another with rocksalt. which is transparent to all colors, including infrared.

and

The earth’s (cloudless) atmosphere is largely opaque to infrared already, trapping some of the earth’s heat radiation, and what effect an increased concentration of carbon dioxide might have on a circulating atmosphere, nobody knows for certain. But such an effect, if any, would be superimposed on the large climatic changes that take place over decades and centuries (unknown why) anyway, and the suspicion is that the corresponding (additional) greenhouse effect would have the same effect as on a greenhouse next to none.

That last one is in particular an especially strong FAIL.

Anyway, one again, the point is that 34 years ago Robinson (along with a few others) were already putting into motion the talking points used by the right-o-sphere today.

236 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:09:20pm

re: #231 WindUpBird

I love that period of ‘FUTURECARS!’ >>

237 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:09:37pm

re: #221 WindUpBird

You cannot defeat the quad laser!

He doesn’t need to. I’ve sent a full squadron of I-9 Howlrunners after you. Unlike older TIE Fighters, these have shields, but they’re slightly faster. They’ll cripple your ship in not time flat. Then I’ll send the Interrogation Droids aboard. And when they get done, you’ll wish you’d just been waterboarded.

////////////

238 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:09:58pm

re: #212 darthstar

Hey everyone…just got home from a little party we threw for some friends who were flying home today from Ethiopia with their new daughter (she’s beautiful, by the way…). I deboned a whole leg of lamb which I marinated in olive oil, rosemary, and garlic over night, and then trimmed the fat off a 10lb sirloin and cut it into three threeish pound roasts…salted and soyed and peppered and sugared and let sit for a few hours. These (and some Hebrew National franks my wife brought from the ball park) all went on the BBQ…another friend, who runs a wine import/distributorship, provided the liquid love…other hits were a salad from the owners of Bi-Rite grocery (they also stocked the fridge for the returning family so they wouldn’t have to go shopping this week), and a thai pasta salad which I have to say, was my choice when dessert came out (cheesecakes, muffins tortes, etc.)

It really was a lovely afternoon. You can’t beat quality time with good friends.

That is beautiful.

239 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:10:00pm

re: #234 LudwigVanQuixote

DF, anyone who thinks a joke about killing trolls with a force gaze is anything other than geek humor deserves to be ridiculed. Seriously ridiculed.

FORCE GAZE!
Image: DeadlySight-TSS.jpg
/

240 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:10:15pm

re: #210 austin_blue

No, that’s my point. They need to cut the riser over the existing stack as much as they can, leaving the base and whatever components above it to keep it anchored, and remove the existing stack. Then they need to lower two shear rams over it, screw them down, and squeeze off the release.

But that is the obvious fix. I must assume that BP (which wants to stop this disaster more than anyone) has determined that cutting away the riser from the BOP stack would be worse than not doing so.

Here’s what I can confidently tell you. The top kill and the junk shot won’t work. The downhole pressure ( +/- 13,000 psi) and the top down pressure capacity against it (3,000 psi) make it physically impossible. They will be pissing into the wind.

PIMF.

Sheesh, it’s late.

241 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:10:19pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

He doesn’t need to. I’ve sent a full squadron of I-9 Howlrunners after you. Unlike older TIE Fighters, these have shields, but they’re slightly faster. They’ll cripple your ship in not time flat. Then I’ll send the Interrogation Droids aboard. And when they get done, you’ll wish you’d just been waterboarded.

///

Image: 1032584-quad_laser_super.jpg

242 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:10:24pm

BTW, who is waiting for Bioware to finally get Old Republic out?

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:10:27pm

re: #236 windsagio

I love that period of ‘FUTURECARS!’ >>

On Jalopnik, they find the most amazing vintage car ads on Youtube. The one for the black/gold special edition Datsun Z is one of the funniest things I have ever seen in my life, as are the ads for the C4 Corvette which look like something from Tron :D

244 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:10:44pm

re: #242 LudwigVanQuixote

BTW, who is waiting for Bioware to finally get Old Republic out?

ME

245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:10:57pm

re: #242 LudwigVanQuixote

BTW, who is waiting for Bioware to finally get Old Republic out?

I don’t do MMOs. I would like a KOTOR game in the Mass Effect engine, though!

246 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:11:17pm

re: #234 LudwigVanQuixote

DF, anyone who thinks a joke about killing trolls with a force gaze is anything other than geek humor deserves to be ridiculed. Seriously ridiculed.

You just described the Sarah Palin, but keep going… :D

247 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:12:01pm

re: #235 freetoken

In 1976, Robinson’s newsletter (ATE) published this rebuttal of the “greenhouse theory”:

THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT

I’ll let Ludwig do the detail exposition of his errors, but the point I want to make is that here is Robinson, in 1976, before Hansen or Gore started to publicize AGW, creating the very talking points one still finds today in the comments at HotWingNuts, TownHall, etc:

From the link:

That last one is in particular an especially strong FAIL.

Anyway, one again, the point is that 34 years ago Robinson (along with a few others) were already putting into motion the talking points used by the right-o-sphere today.

OK I get it now… this is a sinister plot to kill me from banging my head into my desk… First the topic of this thread, then the creepy robots and Japanese cyber molestation, now this.

Miss S. will find you if I expire….

248 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:12:24pm

re: #245 WindUpBird

Random:

“You can’t give him a Jewish name, call him Darth Ickius

/real Lucasarts conversation.

249 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:12:26pm

re: #168 austin_blue

Now, now, a proper haggis contains the heart, liver, and lungs of a sheep with oats and salt and pepper. It’s boiled in the sheep’s stomach. Done well, it’s edible. Topped with a whiskey cream sauce, it can be quite good.

Been there, done that, paid in Scottish Pounds.

You can keep your haggis. I’ll have my gefilte fish.

250 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:12:27pm

re: #150 MandyManners

Well, you’re not a Republican so, I’ll give your advice the weight it deserves.

Have you been paying attention? The major argument of this blog over the past few months, at least, is that the GOP is currently in the process of getting worse before it gets better.

I don’t want to play the “Charles says” card, but I don’t think he’s a Republican either.

251 Achilles Tang  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:13:43pm

My last post for the evening after watching Bait Car instead of playing here; but the truth is the moron quoted in the OP is right in that material in the deepest ocean trenches, along subduction plate boundaries, will be recycled in a manner we don’t have to worry about, ever.

But has he figured out how to make spilled oil instantly migrate there, and then sink?

252 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:13:45pm

re: #250 palomino

I try to give some slack, I wouldn’t wanna acknowledge whats going on either >

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:13:47pm

re: #248 windsagio

Random:

“You can’t give him a Jewish name, call him Darth Ickius

/real Lucasarts conversation.

Remember my name for a Sith lord I was hoping they’d use? DARTH SGUSTING!

254 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:13:54pm

re: #228 windsagio

Cheap, fast, and I totally can’t cook.

Everyone can cook. And while it may not be faster, it is cheaper(for the most part).

255 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:14:12pm

re: #239 Varek Raith

FORCE GAZE!
Image: DeadlySight-TSS.jpg
/

Better force gaze
Image: eye-of-sauron.jpg

256 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:14:27pm

re: #254 darthstar

Fine you caught me :p

I’m too lazy to cook

257 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:14:43pm

re: #253 WindUpBird

Ehehehe

258 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:14:46pm

re: #249 Alouette

You can keep your haggis. I’ll have my gefilte fish.

Yes that is our food that was created on the concept of a dare…

I really can’t stand to be within a meter of it….

259 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:15:22pm

You grabbed my nuts.

260 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:15:54pm

re: #248 windsagio

Random:

“You can’t give him a Jewish name, call him Darth Ickius

/real Lucasarts conversation.

Lol, A Jewish Sith name would be named Dath Malack… Oh that was taken…

261 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:16:13pm

re: #259 MandyManners

You grabbed my nuts.

I knew you were a dude all these years!

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:16:13pm

re: #250 palomino

Have you been paying attention? The major argument of this blog over the past few months, at least, is that the GOP is currently in the process of getting worse before it gets better.

I don’t want to play the “Charles says” card, but I don’t think he’s a Republican either.

That’s why I came to the blog in the first place. I didn’t like the Dem echo chamber of Democrat blogs, and Republican blogs are all insane. LGF was questioning the Republican party from a moderate and/or conservative perspective, which is the sort of stuff I appreciate.

263 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:16:19pm

re: #255 Nimed

Better force gaze
Image: eye-of-sauron.jpg

I burn away Sauron…

Amaterasu!

264 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:17:11pm

re: #259 MandyManners

Movie star Uma Thurman introduced McGruder, who thanked her for being “the most ass-kicking woman in America,” then broke out the other “N” word. He told the crowd of mostly aging white liberals that he had voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Nation columnist Eric Alterman shouted “Thanks for Bush!” and in Jack Newfield’s account, McGruder dared Alterman to knock him off the podium. The illustrator grabbed his crotch and said, “Try these nuts.”

265 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:17:31pm

re: #249 Alouette

You can keep your haggis. I’ll have my gefilte fish.

I like gefilte fish. Granted, the pulverized fish sort of looks like bread rolls on a platter but it’s tasty. Especially with some homemade chutney. I went to 2 Passover dinners this year, each at different households. One had the gefilte fish “straight up” and the other had the chutney. It might have been just a sorta salty hot sauce. Anyway, here’s another vote for the gefilte fish.

266 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:17:40pm

The re-make of 16 Candles in today’s atmosphere would be beyond most mortal’s comprehenshion.

267 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:17:44pm

re: #258 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes that is our food that was created on the concept of a dare…

I really can’t stand to be within a meter of it…

I used to make my own gefilte fish, back in the day. I would buy fresh fish, grind it myself, mix it with eggs and soaked challah, and cook it with the bones.

The frozen rolls they sell nowadays are so good, just like I used to make. :)

Of course the jarred stuff is pure crap and always was.

268 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:17:59pm

re: #264 windsagio

I repeat:

Try These nuts!

269 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:18:07pm

re: #260 LudwigVanQuixote

Lol, A Jewish Sith name would be named Dath Malack… Oh that was taken…

How about Darth Mavet?

270 elizajane  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:18:10pm

re: #212 darthstar

Hey everyone…just got home from a little party we threw for some friends who were flying home today from Ethiopia with their new daughter (she’s beautiful, by the way…). I deboned a whole leg of lamb which I marinated in olive oil, rosemary, and garlic over night, and then trimmed the fat off a 10lb sirloin and cut it into three threeish pound roasts…salted and soyed and peppered and sugared and let sit for a few hours. These (and some Hebrew National franks my wife brought from the ball park) all went on the BBQ…another friend, who runs a wine import/distributorship, provided the liquid love…other hits were a salad from the owners of Bi-Rite grocery (they also stocked the fridge for the returning family so they wouldn’t have to go shopping this week), and a thai pasta salad which I have to say, was my choice when dessert came out (cheesecakes, muffins tortes, etc.)

It really was a lovely afternoon. You can’t beat quality time with good friends.

Upding for mouth-watering menu (despite lack of chocolate chip cookies) and am thinking I’d like to be invited to your next party.

271 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:18:21pm

On happier notes, the GF and I had another debate as to wheter or not she is a nerd… while she was playing Pazzak on KOTOR 1.

272 MandyManners  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:18:26pm

re: #260 LudwigVanQuixote

Lol, A Jewish Sith name would be named Dath Malack… Oh that was taken…

*whackwhackwhack*

Shut up and deal.

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:18:53pm

re: #264 windsagio

LINK THE WHOLE ARTICLE

274 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:18:55pm

re: #260 LudwigVanQuixote

Lol, A Jewish Sith name would be named Dath Malack… Oh that was taken…

Malak was a freaking pushover.
;)

275 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:19:34pm

re: #273 WindUpBird

The article I pulled it from is all over the place: Here it is tho’

276 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:19:47pm

re: #269 Alouette

How about Darth Mavet?

I adore you….

Personally, I want to see Darth Shaigitz…

277 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:19:59pm

re: #271 LudwigVanQuixote

On happier notes, the GF and I had another debate as to wheter or not she is a nerd… while she was playing Pazzak on KOTOR 1.

Nerdy women are the sexy. Word.

278 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:20:25pm

re: #273 WindUpBird

Seriously tho’, I think I’m gonna start using that phrase. The story behind it is just too funny.

279 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:20:30pm

re: #249 Alouette

You can keep your haggis. I’ll have my gefilte fish.

Hah! Cultural disgusting food! Don’t forget monkey brain sushi and embryonic chickens! (AKA Baluts. Ick.)

Discuss!

(NB: I’m half Irish and half German, so I don’t think I’ve got a dog in this hunt.)

280 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:20:54pm

re: #276 LudwigVanQuixote

I adore you…

Personally, I want to see Darth Shaigitz…

Darth Orlah

281 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:21:06pm

re: #262 WindUpBird

That’s why I came to the blog in the first place. I didn’t like the Dem echo chamber of Democrat blogs, and Republican blogs are all insane. LGF was questioning the Republican party from a moderate and/or conservative perspective, which is the sort of stuff I appreciate.

I can totally relate to that, which is probably why I’m here. Much of the stuff on the left either just blandly parrots the Dem party line or it attacks from the far left. Neither of those is interesting or productive.

282 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:22:39pm

re: #279 austin_blue

Germans freakin’ love Blood-based dishes.

283 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:22:57pm

re: #281 palomino

I can totally relate to that, which is probably why I’m here. Much of the stuff on the left either just blandly parrots the Dem party line or it attacks from the far left. Neither of those is interesting or productive.

haha, yeah, I got into enough bitchfests with my friends who are to the left of me about how Obama TOTALLY RUINED HEALTH CARE REFORM OMG IT’S NOT SINGEL PAYAE!111 that I just couldn’t talk to them anymore about it.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:23:22pm

re: #279 austin_blue

Marmite!

286 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:23:29pm

re: #282 windsagio

Germans freakin’ love Blood-based dishes.

At the very least, I suspect they do enjoy their sausages (for the omnivores anyway).

287 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:23:29pm

re: #283 WindUpBird

Altho the “OMG SOCIALISM!” isn’t much better either >>

288 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:24:11pm

re: #284 WindUpBird

Marmite!

Oh yes. Marmite on toast with peanut butter. Breakfast of champions.

289 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:25:15pm

re: #287 windsagio

Altho the “OMG SOCIALISM!” isn’t much better either >>

OMG HARUHIISM!11!

290 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:25:30pm

re: #289 Varek Raith

OMG HARUHIISM!11!

Geek.

291 austin_blue  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:25:46pm

Adios, my friends. Sleep well and sweet dreams.

Given the state of the nation as a whole.

292 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:25:50pm

re: #276 LudwigVanQuixote

I adore you…

Personally, I want to see Darth Shaigitz…

I know this is all fun, but as an O’darth (Irish recovering Catholic), I’m starting to wonder if I need to change my nic (after 12 years) to darthstarvowitz

293 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:25:52pm

re: #279 austin_blue

Hah! Cultural disgusting food! Don’t forget monkey brain sushi and embryonic chickens! (AKA Baluts. Ick.)

Discuss!

(NB: I’m half Irish and half German, so I don’t think I’ve got a dog in this hunt.)

The worst cultural disgusting food of my national cuisine is ptcha (calves foot jelly, ptcha is the sound you make when you take a bite)

Runner up in the disgusting food category is schav borscht. My mother-in-law loved that stuff. Zedushka gags when you just say the name.

294 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:26:09pm

re: #290 windsagio

Geek.

Captain Obvious to the RESCUE!

295 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:26:25pm

re: #266 MandyManners

The re-make of 16 Candles in today’s atmosphere would be beyond most mortal’s comprehenshion.

No more yankie my wankie. The Donger need food.

296 windsagio  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:26:31pm

Oops, time to go to work.

So I say to all of you with great love and affection,

Try these nuts.

297 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:27:03pm

re: #287 windsagio

Altho the “OMG SOCIALISM!” isn’t much better either >>

Once people are shouting “OMG!!1”, they’re generally beyond reason. All you can do is wait till they come down off their Bad Craziness high.

298 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:27:25pm

re: #287 windsagio

Altho the “OMG SOCIALISM!” isn’t much better either >>

Well, on the far left you had people who threw a fit because they wanted a unicorn, and all they got was a pony.

And on the far right, you had people who thought the pony was a witch and they wanted to burn it at the stake. :D

299 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:27:27pm

re: #283 WindUpBird

haha, yeah, I got into enough bitchfests with my friends who are to the left of me about how Obama TOTALLY RUINED HEALTH CARE REFORM OMG IT’S NOT SINGEL PAYAE!111 that I just couldn’t talk to them anymore about it.

Me too. I hear these complaints a lot: He didn’t immediately get us out of the two wars; we don’t have gay marriage yet; no single payer. But the fact is he never promised any of those things.

300 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:28:09pm

re: #285 Varek Raith

Slipknot bassist found dead in Iowa hotel room

It’s one thing to die in a hotel room…but Des Moines?

301 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:28:14pm

re: #277 eclectic infidel

Nerdy women are the sexy. Word.

Amen…

It is a marvelous running joke between us that he is not a nerd - or so she vehemently claims.

I point out that yes she is…

She knows comic books and will argue with passion that Hal Jordan is the best Green Lantern. She will go fanboy over starwars in a way that demonstrates a real understanding of the series. I mean she can tell you about obscure characters from the Dark Horse series. I can too, but that is beside the point. I am open about my nerdiness.

She loves Firefly and BSG and says Frack! a lot.

If you want to watch her go in little circles and pull her hair, suggest that Luke knew through the force he was macking his sister in Empire…

Her knowledge of fantasy literature is not lacking.

Yet she protests vehemently that she is no nerd.

She says real nerds hang out with other nerds. I pointed out that we had just come from a party with 3 aerospace engineers, five physicists, two computer people and a biologist.

She blamed me for being a bad influence.

I reminded her that she did not have to argue with the computer guy that Hal Jordan was the best Lantern… That was my fault. I brought her to the party and he started it….

She went on to explain that nerds are obsessed with obscure knowledge.

I pointed out that she likes crossword puzzles in Latin and is moderately obsessed the finer points of Roman philosophy and history. She said, yes, but that is her field…

It goes on and on.

I do adore her.

She’s hot too.

302 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:29:21pm

re: #301 LudwigVanQuixote

Amen…

It is a marvelous running joke between us that he is not a nerd - or so she vehemently claims.

I point out that yes she is…

She knows comic books and will argue with passion that Hal Jordan is the best Green Lantern. She will go fanboy over starwars in a way that demonstrates a real understanding of the series. I mean she can tell you about obscure characters from the Dark Horse series. I can too, but that is beside the point. I am open about my nerdiness.

She loves Firefly and BSG and says Frack! a lot.

If you want to watch her go in little circles and pull her hair, suggest that Luke knew through the force he was macking his sister in Empire…

Her knowledge of fantasy literature is not lacking.

Yet she protests vehemently that she is no nerd.

She says real nerds hang out with other nerds. I pointed out that we had just come from a party with 3 aerospace engineers, five physicists, two computer people and a biologist.

She blamed me for being a bad influence.

I reminded her that she did not have to argue with the computer guy that Hal Jordan was the best Lantern… That was my fault. I brought her to the party and he started it…

She went on to explain that nerds are obsessed with obscure knowledge.

I pointed out that she likes crossword puzzles in Latin and is moderately obsessed the finer points of Roman philosophy and history. She said, yes, but that is her field…

It goes on and on.

I do adore her.

She’s hot too.

When’s the chasunah?

303 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:29:26pm

re: #253 WindUpBird

Remember my name for a Sith lord I was hoping they’d use? DARTH SGUSTING!

:D
Ok but darthre: #263 Varek Raith

I burn away Sauron…

Amaterasu!


[Video]

:O What the hell was that? You know what, I don’t even want to know.

304 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:29:30pm

re: #293 Alouette

The worst cultural disgusting food of my national cuisine is ptcha (calves foot jelly, ptcha is the sound you make when you take a bite)

Runner up in the disgusting food category is schav borscht. My mother-in-law loved that stuff. Zedushka gags when you just say the name.

OK now I know you all are trying to kill me…

305 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:30:02pm

re: #302 Alouette

When’s the chasunah?

Good question. Believe me, we are discussing it.

306 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:30:28pm

re: #305 LudwigVanQuixote

Good question. Believe me, we are discussing it.

B’sha’ah tovah

307 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:31:04pm

Ka’plah!

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:31:31pm

re: #282 windsagio

Germans freakin’ love Blood-based dishes.

The Irish have a few of those as well.

309 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:31:51pm

re: #305 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #306 Alouette

By the way, you two…I saw Cabaret in Reno/Sparks over the weekend…I had no idea it was about the fall of Germany before WWII…as great as the songs are, the story is very dark.

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:31:55pm

re: #299 palomino

Me too. I hear these complaints a lot: He didn’t immediately get us out of the two wars; we don’t have gay marriage yet; no single payer. But the fact is he never promised any of those things.

Exactly. There’s an Obama Derangement Syndrome from the left, where Obama was saying one thing, and the far left was hearing five more unbelievably optimistic things that he never said.

As for me, I got EXACTLY the President I expected in Obama. A moderate Democrat who isn’t going to revolutionize anything, but who’s doing a good job in the midst of shitstorm after shitstorm.

311 Ojoe  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:32:06pm

re: #250 palomino

is that the GOP is currently in the process of getting worse before it gets better.

I think the GOP is committing political suicide and that the
Modern Whig Party

is much better.

Good Night All

312 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:32:59pm

re: #306 Alouette

B’sha’ah tovah

Thank you.

313 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:33:14pm

re: #310 WindUpBird

Exactly. There’s an Obama Derangement Syndrome from the left, where Obama was saying one thing, and the far left was hearing five more unbelievably optimistic things that he never said.

As for me, I got EXACTLY the President I expected in Obama. A moderate Democrat who isn’t going to revolutionize anything, but who’s doing a good job in the midst of shitstorm after shitstorm.

HE’S A MODERATE EXTREMISTS!1!!!

314 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:34:39pm

re: #311 Ojoe

I think the GOP is committing political suicide and that the
Modern Whig Party

is much better.

Good Night All

Knock yourself out, I’m a Bull Moose man myself.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:34:42pm

re: #299 palomino

Me too. I hear these complaints a lot: He didn’t immediately get us out of the two wars; we don’t have gay marriage yet; no single payer. But the fact is he never promised any of those things.

The left wing ‘built him a soul’ as they say. Obama was blown up into this fantastic figure. I have friends who still insist they voted for him because he had a ‘better reason’ than Hillary for not supporting same-sex marriage.

316 Nimed  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:35:40pm

re: #282 windsagio

Germans freakin’ love Blood-based dishes.

Typically, the blood in blood dishes is curdled and boiled. It’s not like they are sucking it right out of the cow (or pig or chicken).

317 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:36:12pm

re: #309 darthstar

re: #306 Alouette

By the way, you two…I saw Cabaret in Reno/Sparks over the weekend…I had no idea it was about the fall of Germany before WWII…as great as the songs are, the story is very dark.

Very true. But it’s a very important story. Especially now with some the loons we have on the march right now. We live in dangerous times. Thankfully, Obama is not alienated from his brain trust as Hindenburg was alienated from Ludendorff. Not that Ludendorff would have been too much help, since his societal ideas dovetailed with the Nazis in many ways.

318 Ojoe  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:36:58pm

re: #314 goddamnedfrank

That’s good too!

319 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:37:26pm

re: #285 Varek Raith

Slipknot bassist found dead in Iowa hotel room

That sucks. Condolences to friends and family.

For fans, don’t worry—this probably won’t be the end of the band. It has nine members. The eight survivors will probably carry on.

320 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:37:35pm

re: #313 Varek Raith

HE’S A MODERATE EXTREMISTS!1!!!

He is extremely not white! :D

321 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:39:59pm

Gulf Oil Spill update:

They will no longer try the junk shot next should the top kill with mud fail. Instead, they plan to cut off the riser from the lower marine riser package (LMRP) and attach another dome to capture the oil and gas leaking out. This because the junk shot could cut off other control options (such as the choke and kill lines)

Should this fail, next comes the option Austin_Blue was talking about, “hot stabbing” another BOP on top of the malfunctioning one, or a valve, and then trying to close off the leak ala Red Adair.

This because they believe the well is not free flowing, rather it is constrained by debris and also because of the type blowout.

Today BP announced the flow is not traveling up the main well bore. They believe the mostly likely flow path is between two casing strings. In addition, some obstructions such as cement and rocks are restricting the flow rate. This is based on low pressure readings on the lower part of the BOP stack.

This would indicate why they believe the top kill with mud could work. The pressure is below a free flow.

322 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:41:51pm

re: #282 windsagio

Germans freakin’ love Blood-based dishes.

German food gets a somewhat unfair bad rap. Some German food is actually great—schnitzel, strudel, potato pancakes.

But then some is truly repulsive—limburger cheese, blood sausage, and I would include sauerkraut. Ewwwww.

323 Stanley Sea  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:42:21pm

re: #321 Bagua

Did you by chance catch the press conference today? All the Govt people involved, including Chu?

324 Riptides  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:43:07pm

re: #240 austin_blue

…the junk shot won’t work. The downhole pressure ( +/- 13,000 psi) and the top down pressure capacity against it (3,000 psi) make it physically impossible.

I would visualize it as using a t-shirt cannon to shoot a pillows worth of feathers into the exhaust end of a wind tunnel.

East Coast here, tired too so bear with me..

I think they should cut it off as close as they can, insert a 20-50m rod about half the inner diameter size, weighted on top with a “x” ton cap weight. The rod would have divots staggered around the entire circumference and length containing an expanding ballistic rubberized material (ie: balloons). The internal portion of the rod would be hollow so that the ballistic material can be inflated using a quick expanding and hardening foam. The entire inflating mechanism would be self contained inside the concrete weight.

Slide rod into stack, until fully inserted, with weight secured over the top of the entire exposed stack. Pull the pin, hope the thing inflates, in a way like flower petals, expanding and overlapping in a matter of milliseconds.

I don’t know, my idea sounds about as good as anything else I’ve heard BP come up with.

325 The Yankee  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:43:11pm

Is this guy the Villain from Captain Planet.

326 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:43:19pm

re: #322 palomino

Oh man I love sauerkraut with brats. The Widmer Brewery’s Gasthaus does gooood sauerkraut o_o

327 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:44:54pm

re: #322 palomino

German food gets a somewhat unfair bad rap. Some German food is actually great—schnitzel, strudel, potato pancakes.

But then some is truly repulsive—limburger cheese, blood sausage, and I would include sauerkraut. Ewww.

I’m a big fan of sauerkraut with hot mustard on a bun with a polish sausage or a similar sausage of size and flavour.

That said, I still love tobasco sauce mixed with ketchup on my scrambled eggs too.

328 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:44:55pm

re: #325 The Yankee

Is this guy the Villain from Captain Planet.

Verminous Skumm.

329 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:45:37pm

re: #328 Varek Raith

Verminous Skumm.

Vermicious Knid!

330 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:45:59pm

Since I am being read by fans.. I have to indulge…

On happier notes, the GF and I had another debate as to wheter or not she is a nerd… while she was playing Pazzak on KOTOR 1.

To which the brilliant Larry wrote:

I wonder how they define “girl” over there?

IN this case, a very attractive 26 year old brunette woman, with advanced degrees and great charm. She also has long, full shoulder length hair, the most astonishing blue green eyes and amazing figure.

In other words, the sort of girl you would never have a chance with.

She would laugh at you actually. It would be a polite behind her hand laugh because she would not want to embarrass you too much, but you are the sort who would quickly make her eyes narrow. Then she would spend some time detailing exactly why you are a loser.

She would view you Larry the same way she might view a biological slide of a cross section of a nasty insect.

That’s what we mean by girl.

331 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:46:32pm

re: #329 WindUpBird

Vermicious Knid!

I just can’t win…
:P

332 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:46:39pm

re: #310 WindUpBird

Exactly. There’s an Obama Derangement Syndrome from the left, where Obama was saying one thing, and the far left was hearing five more unbelievably optimistic things that he never said.

As for me, I got EXACTLY the President I expected in Obama. A moderate Democrat who isn’t going to revolutionize anything, but who’s doing a good job in the midst of shitstorm after shitstorm.

Agree completely. He’s neither what the paranoid delusional far right says he is, nor what much of the far left imagined he would be.

Anyone who paid attention during that long campaign shouldn’t really be surprised by how he’s handled things. Not radical at all, but a cautious centrist.

333 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:46:44pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

Did you by chance catch the press conference today? All the Govt people involved, including Chu?

Nope, haven’t heard that yet.

334 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:47:00pm

re: #330 LudwigVanQuixote

So what did you do to win her affections?

335 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:47:42pm

re: #311 Ojoe

I think the GOP is committing political suicide and that the
Modern Whig Party

is much better.

Good Night All

I agree that the Modern Whig Party is better. But it only seems to exist in your comments.

336 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:48:45pm

re: #334 eclectic infidel

So what did you do to win her affections?

Lol… OK I could answer that a whole bunch of ways… But I’ll go for the truth.

I am utterly unworthy of her.

My best conjecture is that in a past life I did something really noble and this is my reward.

337 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:50:02pm

re: #33 austin_blue

Why? Tectonics won’t affect that kind of coffin. The concept is that the coffins will be subducted with other ocean sediments and recycled into the upper mantle, where the radioactive elements in place in the first place

Not really. Anything you just dump into a trench at a subduction boundary will end up being scrapped off into the sedimentary melange as the heavier oceanic basaltic plate is dragged under. It will likely be deeply buried but it is very unlikely that it will actually end up going for the long plunge into the mantle.

Tectonic melanges are interesting geologic assemblages and are typified by high pressure/low temp metamorphism (blue schist-glaocophane).

338 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:50:27pm

re: #336 LudwigVanQuixote

Lol… OK I could answer that a whole bunch of ways… But I’ll go for the truth.

I am utterly unworthy of her.

My best conjecture is that in a past life I did something really noble and this is my reward.

There it is. On that note, I’m signing off. G’night.

339 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:50:46pm

re: #337 celticdragon

Not really. Anything you just dump into a trench at a subduction boundary will end up being scrapped off into the sedimentary melange as the heavier oceanic basaltic plate is dragged under. It will likely be deeply buried but it is very unlikely that it will actually end up going for the long plunge into the mantle.

Tectonic melanges are interesting geologic assemblages and are typified by high pressure/low temp metamorphism (blue schist-glaocophane).

Geologist?

340 Ojoe  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:50:47pm

re: #335 palomino

No, there’s other people in it too.

Join if you like.

Good night again.

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:50:50pm

re: #335 palomino

I agree that the Modern Whig Party is better. But it only seems to exist in your comments.

quoted for truth

342 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:51:26pm

re: #337 celticdragon

Tectonic melanges are interesting geologic assemblages and are typified by high pressure/low temp metamorphism (blue schist-glaocophane).

o_o

343 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:51:32pm

re: #339 Varek Raith

Geologist?


Finishing my degree in geology this coming year.

344 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:51:47pm

re: #343 celticdragon

Finishing my degree in geology this coming year.

Awesome.

345 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:52:09pm

re: #325 The Yankee

Is this guy the Villain from Captain Planet.

No, they’d have a semi-plausible cover story in place. But this guy figures he won’t need it. The people in his social circles would attack all the Planeteers (except the American) as “Tranzis!!1”. The American they’d pack off to Jesus Camp to be reeeducated into a “Real Conservative”.

/Kidding, but not by much.

346 Stanley Sea  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:54:14pm

re: #333 Bagua

Nope, haven’t heard that yet.

It was probably @ 11 am pacific. The Admiral in charge, I forget his name, in my mind, answered every question thoroughly from the media. Chu was there, Gibbs was there, a lady from the MMA (I think) was there. They all took turns at the mic. It was pretty good. Try to find it.

347 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:54:16pm

re: #345 Dark_Falcon


I played a planet strike 40K game this last saturday.

The damned chaos terminators finally got me…but not before I wasted 3 squads with a Leman Russ Executioner (plasma cannon).

Cool game :)

348 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:54:31pm

re: #343 celticdragon

Finishing my degree in geology this coming year.

Any insights on the gulf oil spill?

349 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:54:48pm

Speaking of KotOR, like my new avatar?
:)

350 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:55:01pm

re: #340 Ojoe

No, there’s other people in it too.

Join if you like.

Good night again.

Sorry, I was just being a smartass. I actually admire your persistence. Keep up the fight.

351 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:55:17pm

re: #347 celticdragon

I played a planet strike 40K game this last saturday.

The damned chaos terminators finally got me…but not before I wasted 3 squads with a Leman Russ Executioner (plasma cannon).

Cool game :)

Was that Epic 40K or just standard?

352 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:55:20pm

re: #344 Varek Raith

Awesome.


I get to start looking for where to do my masters this summer. :)

353 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:55:37pm

re: #337 celticdragon

Not really. Anything you just dump into a trench at a subduction boundary will end up being scrapped off into the sedimentary melange as the heavier oceanic basaltic plate is dragged under. It will likely be deeply buried but it is very unlikely that it will actually end up going for the long plunge into the mantle.

Tectonic melanges are interesting geologic assemblages and are typified by high pressure/low temp metamorphism (blue schist-glaocophane).

So physically, what keeps the deep well open then? Why does it not collapse during drilling? I get the idea of pressure from the column of mud, however, why does the pipe not collapse under that pressure if you were to stanch the flow? I have this picture that if you could just shut off the flow deeply enough with perhaps an explosive the whole thing would crush.

Why am I wrong?

354 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:55:53pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Any insights on the gulf oil spill?

BP has created 30 years worth of Green Collar Jobs in the Gulf Coast. People in their 20s and 30s can get a job cleaning up the mess they’re making and retire before the job is done.

355 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:56:55pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Any insights on the gulf oil spill?


I don’t have enough practical knowledge on the engineering side. I learned the basics of oil field exploration in structural geology…but nothing about engineering applications.

356 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:57:11pm

Starting today, I’m going to post a comment that just reads, “Fuck you, BP” at least once a week until further notice.

357 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:57:19pm

Fuck you, BP.

358 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:59:14pm

re: #357 darthstar

Fuck you, BP.

Could we stuff the pipe with BP execs?

359 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 9:59:33pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Any insights on the gulf oil spill?

I’m hoping the Gulf coast’s fishing industry is not as fucked as it sounds like it is. :(

360 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:00:20pm

re: #359 WindUpBird

I’m hoping the Gulf coast’s fishing industry is not as fucked as it sounds like it is. :(

I think that it for about a decade we will still be discovering new ways this is fucked.

361 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:01:20pm

re: #358 LudwigVanQuixote

Could we stuff the pipe with BP execs?

No good, too much cholesterol and alcohol. The hot methane would dissolve them instantly.

362 palomino  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:02:29pm

re: #356 darthstar

Starting today, I’m going to post a comment that just reads, “Fuck you, BP” at least once a week until further notice.


You have my encouragement to do it far more often than once a week, and on many more blogs.

363 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:02:36pm

re: #360 LudwigVanQuixote

I think that it for about a decade we will still be discovering new ways this is fucked.

Probably longer than a decade. Sensitive estuary habitat is going to be destroyed.

364 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:02:41pm

re: #359 WindUpBird

I’m hoping the Gulf coast’s fishing industry is not as fucked as it sounds like it is. :(

The Gulf Coast doesn’t have a fishing industry anymore.

365 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:02:56pm

re: #361 Bagua

No good, too much cholesterol and alcohol. The hot methane would dissolve them instantly.

Damn….

Actually, why would sending a compressed explosive, chemical explosive down the pip as deep as it could go, and detonating it not work? This seems a very obvious idea, so since it has not been tried there must be something I am missing.

366 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:03:28pm

re: #365 LudwigVanQuixote

Might make the hole bigger, is my thought.

367 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:03:45pm

re: #353 LudwigVanQuixote

So physically, what keeps the deep well open then? Why does it not collapse during drilling? I get the idea of pressure from the column of mud, however, why does the pipe not collapse under that pressure if you were to stanch the flow? I have this picture that if you could just shut off the flow deeply enough with perhaps an explosive the whole thing would crush.

Why am I wrong?


You are not going to find much in the way of oil fields on an active tectonic boundary like what I descibed (possibly in the fore arc basin? I don’t know.)
What we have in the Gulf is a passive sedimentary prism (or what used to be called a geosyncline) that has oppotunity for hydrocarbons to “cook” and migrate over time from shales into nearby resevoir sandstones and accumulate into usable and commercially viable pools or ‘fields’. The area of the gulf we are dealing with is only structurally active in terms of normal dip/slip faulting from soft sediment deformation and salt dome formation. (Pretty neat, btw…)

368 swamprat  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:03:51pm

re: #357 darthstar

Fuck you, BP.

You know, I wouldn’t normally go for that sentiment. But the part where BP is drilling at a completely new depth,…and then decides to shortcut the mud replacement process…

It’s like funding a racecar, and then opting for cheapo oil.

369 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:03:55pm

re: #366 Floral Giraffe

Might make the hole bigger, is my thought.

Nuke it.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Sigh.

370 abolitionist  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:03:55pm

re: #358 LudwigVanQuixote

Could we stuff the pipe with [deleted]

I suspect they are accustomed to working under extreme pressure …but are too slippery to stay in place.

(Careful there, LVQ)

371 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:04:29pm

re: #363 Floral Giraffe

Probably longer than a decade. Sensitive estuary habitat is going to be destroyed.

Hey hey! good to see you. The folks at the village of the banned are commenting on what constitutes a girl here…

372 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:04:43pm

re: #364 darthstar

The Gulf Coast doesn’t have a fishing industry anymore.

Yeha, that’s about what I’ve been hearing.

And I hear that and then I start thinking “nationalize our oil production.” But no, the oil men hold the cards. Oh well! How about a drink?

373 Reginald Perrin  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:05:47pm
374 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:05:47pm

and Rand Paul says LAY OFF BP GUYS

375 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:05:59pm

re: #371 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey hey! good to see you. The folks at the village of the banned are commenting on what constitutes a girl here…

Huh?

376 Stanley Sea  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:06:04pm

re: #363 Floral Giraffe

Floral! Do you read The Daily Dish (Andrew Sullivan)

His pic of the day was all you.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com…]

378 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:06:59pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

Nuke it.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Sigh.

Actually, hat is one thing I am pretty certain that can not be done. Nukes are actually pretty delicate things. They work by compressing fissionables. I would imagine the crush of one from the deep sea pressure would cause a fizzle.

379 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:07:00pm

re: #373 Reginald Perrin

Oh that card, that very very funny comedian. I remember when he wanted San Francisco to be bombed by terrorists. What a nice man.

380 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:07:14pm

re: #373 Reginald Perrin

O’Reilly’s solution for plugging Gulf oil leak: “Stuff every member of NBC News in that hole”


His big mouth alone could work to cover the whole damned broken pipe.

Hmm…

381 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:08:33pm

re: #366 Floral Giraffe

Might make the hole bigger, is my thought.

sent you a mail.

382 Bagua  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:08:35pm

re: #365 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn…

Actually, why would sending a compressed explosive, chemical explosive down the pip as deep as it could go, and detonating it not work? This seems a very obvious idea, so since it has not been tried there must be something I am missing.

They could never get it down the pipe due to the pressure, and and explosive could further destroy the well structure, leading to a larger leak. They do use explosives for such things as popping a concrete plug.

383 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:08:56pm

re: #378 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, hat is one thing I am pretty certain that can not be done. Nukes are actually pretty delicate things. They work by compressing fissionables. I would imagine the crush of one from the deep sea pressure would cause a fizzle.

Damn.
I was seriously thinking that just blowing it to hell was preferable to letting it spew oil for another two months…
:(

384 darthstar  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:08:58pm

re: #368 swamprat

You know, I wouldn’t normally go for that sentiment. But the part where BP is drilling at a completely new depth,…and then decides to shortcut the mud replacement process…

It’s like funding a racecar, and then opting for cheapo oil.

Good simile. They have no fucking idea what they’re doing at that depth, and now they’ve learned that there are some things they can’t control. Fuckers. I hope they all suffer the same fate that their sea-based victims are. Yes, I want them all to suffocate. Is that so bad?

Okay, last episode of Law & Order… I think I need the distraction. Good night, all.

Fuck you, BP

385 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:09:26pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Was that Epic 40K or just standard?


Regular 40K, but using the planet strike special rules. Pretty cool and a very interesting game varient.

386 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:09:35pm

re: #376 Stanley Sea

Floral! Do you read The Daily Dish (Andrew Sullivan)

His pic of the day was all you.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com…]

That’s funny. I look much better in focus!

387 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:09:39pm

Limbaugh: BP can’t hold a candle to the Obama regime when it comes to destruction

It’s like we’re getting to the point where the far right wing is no longer even speaking English, that they now have their own language called Crazian.

388 swamprat  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:11:31pm

None of the top hat devices had a chance unless they removed the broken pipe attached to the blowout preventer. My media tolerance is very low; did they ever do that? Or did they try to set the devices over the pipe and blowout preventer?

389 Reginald Perrin  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:12:29pm

re: #386 Floral Giraffe

That’s funny. I look much better in focus!

Now I remember why I fell in lust with you, it’s that wicked tongue.

390 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:12:35pm

re: #387 WindUpBird

Limbaugh: BP can’t hold a candle to the Obama regime when it comes to destruction [Link: mediamatters.org…]

It’s like we’re getting to the point where the far right wing is no longer even speaking English, that they now have their own language called Crazian.

Gotta protect business at all costs, eh Rush?
Idiot.

391 Olsonist  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:13:03pm

re: #378 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, hat is one thing I am pretty certain that can not be done. Nukes are actually pretty delicate things. They work by compressing fissionables. I would imagine the crush of one from the deep sea pressure would cause a fizzle.

Water pressure at 1 mile down is about 160 atmospheres. Is that that much? Also, I think the Russians have some experience in this.

392 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:14:18pm

re: #385 celticdragon

Regular 40K, but using the planet strike special rules. Pretty cool and a very interesting game varient.

Who was attacking a planet?

393 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:15:26pm

re: #391 Olsonist

Water pressure at 1 mile down is about 160 atmospheres. Is that that much? Also, I think the Russians have some experience in this.


yes, they do…but it seems to involve actually detonating a nuke in a nearby well in order to crush the walls of the uncontrollable well. As much time as it takes to drill the nuke well, you can drill a relief well, which is already under way.

394 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:15:28pm

re: #384 darthstar

Good simile. They have no fucking idea what they’re doing at that depth, and now they’ve learned that there are some things they can’t control. Fuckers. I hope they all suffer the same fate that their sea-based victims are. Yes, I want them all to suffocate. Is that so bad?

Okay, last episode of Law & Order… I think I need the distraction. Good night, all.

Fuck you, BP

It’s a good episode. L&O does get to bow out with something good.

395 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:16:58pm

re: #391 Olsonist

Water pressure at 1 mile down is about 160 atmospheres. Is that that much? Also, I think the Russians have some experience in this.

The deepest underwater nuclear test we conducted was at, IIRC, 2000 feet.

396 Stanley Sea  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:17:11pm

re: #389 Reginald Perrin

Now I remember why I fell in lust with you, it’s that wicked tongue.

I had a little plan with that photo.

397 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:17:27pm

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

Who was attacking a planet?


Chaos attacking and Dark Angels/Imperial Guard defending. I had three bastions. My friend finally could claim two of them and I had nothing left to get rid of his last squad of terminators (he started with 5 squads, I think. Sheesh!)

398 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:17:48pm

re: #389 Reginald Perrin

Now I remember why I fell in lust with you, it’s that wicked tongue.

She needs a great tongue. She uses it to grab leaves while avoiding a acacia tree’s thorns. :)

399 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:18:37pm

re: #397 celticdragon

Chaos attacking and Dark Angels/Imperial Guard defending. I had three bastions. My friend finally could claim two of them and I had nothing left to get rid of his last squad of terminators (he started with 5 squads, I think. Sheesh!)

So, another planet lost to the Emperor?

400 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:19:45pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

So, another planet lost to the Emperor?


The shame of our Chaptor is long and secret, but the Fallen will brought to Repentance…

401 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:21:25pm

Are perhaps blowing the affects of the BP spill out of proportion?

Gulf recovered from last big oil spill, but is this one different?

As the studies extended into a second year, scientists noticed how fast the marine environment recovered, helped by naturally occurring microbes that feasted on the oil and degraded it.

Perhaps due to those microbes, Tunnell found that aquatic life along the shoreline in Texas had returned to normal within three years — even as tar balls and tar mats remained along the beaches, sometimes covered by sand.

402 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:21:26pm

re: #400 celticdragon

The shame of our Chaptor is long and secret, but the Fallen will brought to Repentance…

If they don’t saw your troopers in two first. X(

403 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:21:42pm

re: #397 celticdragon

Chaos attacking and Dark Angels/Imperial Guard defending. I had three bastions. My friend finally could claim two of them and I had nothing left to get rid of his last squad of terminators (he started with 5 squads, I think. Sheesh!)

NEED MOAR DAKKA!

404 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:22:26pm

re: #401 freetoken

Are perhaps blowing the affects of the BP spill out of proportion?

Gulf recovered from last big oil spill, but is this one different?

I hope things recover that quickly. I’m not sure they will, but I hope they do.

405 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:23:15pm

re: #403 Varek Raith

NEED MOAR DAKKA!

Obviously a unclean Ork xenos sympathizer. Repent, Heretic! ;)

406 Reginald Perrin  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:23:40pm

re: #396 Stanley Sea

I had a little plan with that photo.

I’m not sure I want to know what you had planned.
*wink*

407 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:24:01pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

If they don’t saw your troopers in two first. X(

They are kinda nasty that way… :(

408 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:24:54pm

re: #405 celticdragon

Obviously a unclean Ork xenos sympathizer. Repent, Heretic! ;)

Seems we have a group of crazed Space Marines down there. It’d too dangerous to land. Let’s nuke ‘em from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

///

409 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:24:58pm

I should check out WH40k.
Sounds fun.

410 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:25:51pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

Seems we have a group of crazed Space Marines down there. It’d too dangerous to land. Let’s nuke ‘em from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

///


LMAO!

Don’t you mean “Bugs”?

411 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:26:01pm

The Oklahomans apparently are upset at the President for not being one of them:

Obama’s snub of state must not go unchallenged

Obama has shown a lack of presidential tact any number of times since moving into the White House 16 months ago, whether it’s been bowing before foreign dignitaries, dissing our allies (in particular Israel), or talking mostly about himself while trying to lure the Olympic Games to Chicago. This latest move is par for the course, and it’s one Republicans and especially Democrats in Oklahoma need to contest with all their might.

[…]

Maybe Obama is just thumbing his nose at our state, which did the same to him in November 2008 when Obama failed to carry a single county. You’d hate to think the president of the United States would be so petty, but who knows?

So, can we conclude that the Oklahomans want Obama to bow to them?

412 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:26:43pm

re: #409 Varek Raith

I should check out WH40k.
Sounds fun.


If you are ever in NC, you need to stop by for a game and dinner!

413 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:26:56pm

re: #411 freetoken

The Oklahomans apparently are upset at the President for not being one of them:

Obama’s snub of state must not go unchallenged

So, can we conclude that the Oklahomans want Obama to bow to them?

I DEMAND OBAMA DELIVER ME A PIZZA!

414 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:27:57pm

re: #411 freetoken

The Oklahomans apparently are upset at the President for not being one of them:

Obama’s snub of state must not go unchallenged


So, can we conclude that the Oklahomans want Obama to bow to them?


For God’s sake, please tell me that was satire…

415 freetoken  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:29:46pm

re: #414 celticdragon

No, it’s the lead editorial in Oklahoma’s major online news site.

416 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:31:13pm

re: #410 celticdragon

LMAO!

Don’t you mean “Bugs”?

We can nuke them too. But I’d ask you not to. I promised Varek he’d get to use the Sun Crusher on that bug system we found.

417 Altermite  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:31:17pm

The abiotic benthos theory was refuted by the challenger expedition. In the 19th century. Idiot.

418 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:32:11pm

re: #415 freetoken

No, it’s the lead editorial in Oklahoma’s major online news site.


face/palm.

I have no fucking words for that.

419 Altermite  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:33:26pm

re: #401 freetoken

Are perhaps blowing the affects of the BP spill out of proportion?

Gulf recovered from last big oil spill, but is this one different?

Hitting the marshes in Louisiana will be very different from texas beaches. It’ll literally choke the mangroves out, to start. They trap the oil in a much nastier way.

420 Varek Raith  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:36:01pm

I’m out.
Later!
:)

421 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:36:23pm

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

We can nuke them too. But I’d ask you not to. I promised Varek he’d get to use the Sun Crusher on that bug system we found.

You have Dark Age technology? Is there a functioning STC for it? Surely, the Magos of the Adeptus Mechanicus must be made aware!

The unclean and the unrighteous will tremble before the Word and Wrath of the Emporer’s Faithful!

major geeking out here… ;)

422 celticdragon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:37:14pm

re: #420 Varek Raith

I’m out.
Later!
:)


Good nite, and time for me to hit the sack also. :)

423 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 24, 2010 10:45:42pm

re: #421 celticdragon

You have Dark Age technology? Is there a functioning STC for it? Surely, the Magos of the Adeptus Mechanicus must be made aware!

The unclean and the unrighteous will tremble before the Word and Wrath of the Emporer’s Faithful!

major geeking out here… ;)

The Sun Crusher is greater than anything even the Emperor has seen. It can travel the Warp unaided, and destroy entire star systems.

/It’s a Star Wars weapon, but is really can destroy entire star systems.

424 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 24, 2010 11:25:08pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Do that if you need to. Sometimes WUB is infuriating. Some of that is just that I take things very seriously, so whimsy is difficult for me.

Hey, she dissed my state, dude ;-)

425 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 24, 2010 11:51:24pm

re: #235 freetoken

[Robinson said] The earth’s (cloudless) atmosphere is largely opaque to infrared already, trapping some of the earth’s heat radiation, and what effect an increased concentration of carbon dioxide might have on a circulating atmosphere, nobody knows for certain


Breathtakingly wrong. So what if IR can’t get through this or that fraction of the atmosphere without getting intercepted by a CO2 molecule? That molecule will reradiate the energy shortly, and the energy bounces around in the system. Some of it eventually reaches sufficiently high altitudes that the remaining CO2 above it is unlikely to intercept it, and half of that makes its way out into space.

This process, however clogged it may be, will be driven by a temperature at the surface that is sufficient to reradiate the daily intake of energy from the sun.

Put in more CO2, making the atmosphere a better blanket, and the surface temperature will rise just enough that the same amount of energy as always makes its way through the blanket and out into space.

Venus has an impressive atmosphere. If not for the greenhouse properties of that atmosphere, the surface temperature would be nothing special. [see Wikipedia for details] As it is, with an atmosphere about 100 times as massive as the earth’s, made mostly of CO2, (so, a concentration 3000 times as great), Venus has 300 thousand times the atmospheric CO2 of earth. Does it make a difference? After all, if earth’s atmosphere has so much CO2 that more would hardly matter, then a million times more wouldn’t matter either.

But it does. Temperatures on Venus are about 860 degrees Fahrenheit.

Robinson’s using the rhetorical tactic of qualifying his statement to make it literally true, while completely misleading. “Nobody knows for certain”. Nobody knows for exact certain just how many degrees, to the tenth decimal, a change of thus and so in CO2 would cause. But that’s not the point. Those who know anything at all, and they are numerous, all know that it will make a certain ballpark amount of difference.

426 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 11:51:42pm

re: #401 freetoken

Are perhaps blowing the affects of the BP spill out of proportion?

Gulf recovered from last big oil spill, but is this one different?

Apparently some oil seeps into the ocean from the sea floor all the time anyway. Is it in any way comparable to this spill? No idea. But if there is a steady, but modest amount that leaks, there must be organisms that dig the stuff. Though, what happens when you first treat the oil with toxic dispersants? Guess we’ll find out.

427 BryanS  Mon, May 24, 2010 11:55:15pm

re: #417 Altermite

The abiotic benthos theory was refuted by the challenger expedition. In the 19th century. Idiot.

Is that in any way relates to the abiotic Menthos™ theory?

428 Yashmak  Tue, May 25, 2010 7:00:24am

And here I thought this was an article from the Onion. Sad.

429 steve-b  Tue, May 25, 2010 8:15:34am

Petroleum’s got the electrolytes sea life craves!

430 steve-b  Tue, May 25, 2010 8:23:16am

re: #83 Ojoe

On this topic, I have thought that it might actually be a solution to the nuclear waste problem, to vitrify the stuff, and put it at the bottom of deep shafts drilled in a subduction zone, because you would be mailing it to the center of the earth, more or less.

If you chose your location on the subduction zone carefully, avoiding places like the Cascades, where the dropping plate makes some volcanoes and burps some of the subduction material back up relatively soon, the vitrified waste might stay down for a long time.

Does any lizard have a geology answer on how long a complete loop back tot he surface might take from a relatively quiet place on a subduction line?

If the time is significantly longer than the longest half lives of the stuff you are trying to get rid of, this burial method might work.

The long half-life stuff isn’t really the problem — by definition, the stuff with long half-lives decays slowly and emits low-level radiation that blends into the background. The really dangerous stuff has half-lives of (at most) a few centuries, so it’d be long gone before it re-emerged if properly dumped into a subduction zone.

Of course, “properly dumped” is the issue: it would need to be encased well enough to remain contained until it was drawn into the lower crust, not just dumped willy-nilly like this moonbat Robertson is suggesting.

431 Sacred Plants  Tue, May 25, 2010 11:42:30am

This makes dumping debt and deficit spending on the offspring look like a sound fiscal policy.

/If energy actually cost money…

432 sancho  Tue, May 25, 2010 7:58:47pm

“GOP mutant candidate”. I likes.

433 eightyfiv  Wed, May 26, 2010 7:51:25pm

Scientific American just posted a nice overview of the actual science here. More importantly, the deep ocean is starved for oxygen. This won’t help.


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