Obama Orders National Guard to Mexican Border

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The security situation in Mexico along the border has been steadily deteriorating, and today the White House announced that President Obama plans to send as many as 1200 National Guard troops to the US-Mexico border.

Obama plans to submit a request to Congress for $500 million in supplemental funding to secure the border and enforce federal laws, according to an administration official.

The troops will “provide intelligence; surveillance and reconnaissance support; intelligence analysis; immediate support to counternarcotics enforcement; and training capacity until Customs and Border Patrol can recruit and train additional officers and agents to serve on the border,” the official said. The move comes in wake of Arizona’s passage of a harsh immigration law, which ignited a national conversation about illegal immigration.

The border money will used to “enhance technology at the border, share information and support with state, local, and tribal law enforcement, and increase DoJ and DHS presence and law enforcement activities at the border, to include increased agents, investigators, and prosecutors, as part of a multi-layered effort to target illicit networks trafficking in people, drugs, illegal weapons, and money.”

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664 comments
1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:37:15pm

JUST LIKE HITLER!!!

///

2 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:38:53pm

….and the wingnuts still complain.

3 Gus  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:39:14pm

1200 soldiers and the wingnuts will still manage to bitch, moan, complain, whine and coach from the sidelines.

4 middy  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:39:26pm

Watch the wingnuts try to spin this, even though it’s what they’ve been demanding he do.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:39:53pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

…and the wingnuts still complain.

Arizona’s chess move pays out?

6 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:40:02pm

it’s a start… let’s see how it goes.

7 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:40:11pm

Beck and Rush tomorrow;

“Obama deploys troops inside the US, can martial law be far behind?”

8 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:40:24pm
The security situation in Mexico along the border has been steadily deteriorating

Very well phrased. The security situation on the Mexican side is abominable. On the US side, I think Hayworth and Brewer are a threat.

9 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:40:25pm

Well cranky old man John “get of my lawn you damn kids” McCain is already bitching that it is not enough…..

10 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:41:17pm

Great, now a war with Mexico. That Nobel Peace Prize is not working out so well.

11 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:41:38pm

re: #9 webevintage

Well cranky old man John “get of my lawn you damn kids” McCain is already bitching that it is not enough…

“There’s another flaming bag on the porch again!”

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:41:56pm

re: #10 Bagua

Great, now a war with Mexico. That Nobel Peace Prize is not working out so well.

I don’t think it’s a war until we deploy them across the border.

13 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:42:24pm

re: #6 brookly red

it’s a start… let’s see how it goes.

Actually it is not “a start” it is a continuation of an administration that has been steadily increasing the amount of border guards and the amount of money spent on the boarder.
To say it is a start is to act like Obama has been completely ignoring the situation.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:42:37pm

Wonderful news! Thank you Mr. President.

15 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:42:44pm

re: #10 Bagua

Great, now a war with Mexico. That Nobel Peace Prize is not working out so well.

I have a feeling this was discussed during Calderon’s recent visit.

16 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:43:03pm

re: #13 webevintage

Actually it is not “a start” it is a continuation of an administration that has been steadily increasing the amount of border guards and the amount of money spent on the boarder.
To say it is a start is to act like Obama has been completely ignoring the situation.

talking point a go go

17 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:43:11pm

re: #10 Bagua

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

well it could get complicated if shots are fired, let us hope none are.

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:43:22pm

re: #9 webevintage

Hey! That was my joke!

Well, it’s an obvious one, so, we can share it.

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:43:37pm

OT: Note to one of my students. “Kevin, I understand that you were not able to answer #6. However, since this is English class, please write “I don’t know,” rather than “No se.” Thank you.”

20 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:44:09pm

re: #17 brookly red

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

well it could get complicated if shots are fired, let us hope none are.

Funny, I could have sworn a while back YOU were suggesting we use predator drones against people transporting drugs from Mexico…

21 Gus  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:44:20pm

Yep, they’re bitching over at Hot Air.

22 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:44:34pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

OT: Note to one of my students. “Kevin, I understand that you were not able to answer #6. However, since this is English class, please write “I don’t know,” rather than “No se.” Thank you.”

RACIST!!

/

23 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:44:34pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

…and the wingnuts still complain.

Bitch about the cost in 5-4-3…
I really don’t like sending the Guard to the Border… Whatever the Border patrol needs to succeed let’s give them the tools to succeed at their mission..
It IS their Mission..
We have the Guard for their mission..To train and go fight Foreign wars against America’s enemies.. Not to play hall monitor in Arizona…

24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:44:40pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Hey! Drones! Let’s do that too!

25 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:44:56pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

Arizona’s chess move pays out?

Sort of, yes. The AZ law pretty much forces Obama to take care of immigration reform. The National guard is probably just appeasement while the Dems get set up to pass immigration reform. I suspect Az and the wingnuts aren’t going to like whatever they pass.

26 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:45:26pm

re: #13 webevintage

Actually it is not “a start” it is a continuation of an administration that has been steadily increasing the amount of border guards and the amount of money spent on the boarder.
To say it is a start is to act like Obama has been completely ignoring the situation.

it’s a start troop wise… let us say 800 are on duty at any given time and the border is how many miles?

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:45:30pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

I have a feeling this was discussed during Calderon’s recent visit.

You mean he was here to do more than upset pundits?

//

28 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:46:20pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean he was here to do more than upset pundits?

//

And that big expensive dinner with Beyonce? hoo boy. :)

29 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:46:29pm

re: #21 Gus 802

Yep, they’re bitching over at Hot Air.

“Does the sun ever shine during a Democratic administration? With Obama in office now, when babies laugh do you hear only the sound of kittens drowning?”

Jon Stewart…

30 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:46:53pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Funny, I could have sworn a while back YOU were suggesting we use predator drones against people transporting drugs from Mexico…

only for surveillance… they are quite good for that.

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:47:18pm

re: #17 brookly red

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

well it could get complicated if shots are fired, let us hope none are.

If shots are fired between the National Guard and Mexican law enforcement or troops, indeed. Let us hope nothing of that sort will happen.

(Why the hell would that happen, and why are we worrying about this now, after weeks of “Why won’t the Feds help poor Arizona?”)

32 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:47:40pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Sort of, yes. The AZ law pretty much forces Obama to take care of immigration reform. The National guard is probably just appeasement while the Dems get set up to pass immigration reform. I suspect Az and the wingnuts aren’t going to like whatever they pass.

That does make alot of sense, because 1200 people is nothing compared to the border, and the NG doing policing work is kinda offputting, even to me.

I I can ~almost~ accept it as a reasonable political stopgap.

33 Gus  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:47:42pm

In other news.

Dick Morris is still an idiot.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:48:18pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Funny, I could have sworn a while back YOU were suggesting we use predator drones against people transporting drugs from Mexico…

Me? I’m pretty sure I didn’t suggest that.

35 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:49:00pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

If shots are fired between the National Guard and Mexican law enforcement or troops, indeed. Let us hope nothing of that sort will happen.

(Why the hell would that happen, and why are we worrying about this now, after weeks of “Why won’t the Feds help poor Arizona?”)

Because that’s the game of course :p

Everything has to be worthy of criticism!

/its funny tho’, I think this is stupid, but I might actually find the ginned up handwringing worse.

36 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:49:23pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

If shots are fired between the National Guard and Mexican law enforcement or troops, indeed. Let us hope nothing of that sort will happen.

yep, and IIRC, the mexican boys are too busy hiding from cartel thugs.

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:49:25pm

I disagree with those who say that we are using the NG for policing. Border security, IMO, IS national security.

38 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:49:38pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Me? I’m pretty sure I didn’t suggest that.

Gah, don’t know how that happened my reply post got messed up I was talking to Brook Red. I distinctly recall him making a post that ended up getting banned on the subject of using predator drones and hellfire missiles along the Mexican Border.

That said my memory is foggy because of all the catnip I chew so I might have been thinking of someone else. Does anyone else have a memory on the issue?

39 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:50:04pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

If shots are fired between the National Guard and Mexican law enforcement or troops, indeed. Let us hope nothing of that sort will happen.

(Why the hell would that happen, and why are we worrying about this now, after weeks of “Why won’t the Feds help poor Arizona?”)

mix guns, drugs & money and bad things can happen… hey look at Jamaica.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:50:44pm

re: #26 brookly red

it’s a start troop wise… let us say 800 are on duty at any given time and the border is how many miles?

Just under 2000 miles, but of course, they’re not the only people out there, and it sounds as though some of what they do will not be patrol work.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:50:46pm

re: #38 jamesfirecat

That said my memory is foggy because of all the catnip I chew so I might have been thinking of someone else. Does anyone else have a memory on the issue?

No, but do you have anymore catnip chew?

42 Four More Tears  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:50:49pm

re: #39 brookly red

mix guns, drugs & money and bad things can happen… hey look at Jamaica.

I’d rather not…

43 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:51:04pm

re: #38 jamesfirecat

Gah, don’t know how that happened my reply post got messed up I was talking to Brook Red. I distinctly recall him making a post that ended up getting banned on the subject of using predator drones and hellfire missiles along the Mexican Border.

That said my memory is foggy because of all the catnip I chew so I might have been thinking of someone else. Does anyone else have a memory on the issue?

I think we settled on M1As….hundreds of them….land mines were vetoed as well

44 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:51:04pm

re: #39 brookly red

mix guns, drugs & money and bad things can happen… hey look at Jamaica.

Hell look at us in the 1920/1930’s with Prohibition…..

45 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:51:06pm

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The problem is, if they’re out in the desert, they’re essentially useless (1200 people is like nothing), and if they’re in the cities, how is it not policing? Its not like the checkpoints are undermanned (I think, admittedly :p)

46 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:51:15pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

re: #3 Gus 802

re: #4 middy

Looks as if the Lefties have beaten them too it !!

47 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:51:19pm

re: #39 brookly red

mix guns, drugs & money and bad things can happen… hey look at Jamaica Hollywood.


Hi Red!

48 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:51:29pm

It’s something, anyway. Whether it’ll do much good is unclear, but at least it’s something.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:51:56pm

re: #39 brookly red

mix guns, drugs & money and bad things can happen… hey look at Jamaica, Mon.

Really. You have to say (type) “Mon” after saying (typing) Jamaica.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:52:22pm

re: #36 Aceofwhat?

yep, and IIRC, the mexican boys are too busy hiding from cartel thugs.

Dunno about that, the Army at least is doing their damnedest. They’re up against a big dragon.

51 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:52:28pm

re: #21 Gus 802

Yep, they’re bitching over at Hot Air.

Which once again proves the point that no mater WHAT the president does they will bitch about it.
Nothing Obama does short of stepping down will be enough for those freaks.

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:53:11pm

re: #45 windsagio

1200 National Guards are willing to argue whether they are nothing or not.

The President is moving on this, and I applaud his action.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:53:20pm

re: #39 brookly red

mix guns, drugs & money and bad things can happen… hey look at Jamaica.

Are you in favor of this move, overall?

54 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:53:25pm

re: #23 HoosierHoops

Bitch about the cost in 5-4-3…
I really don’t like sending the Guard to the Border… Whatever the Border patrol needs to succeed let’s give them the tools to succeed at their mission..
It IS their Mission..
We have the Guard for their mission..To train and go fight Foreign wars against America’s enemies.. Not to play hall monitor in Arizona…

Hoosier,, with all dioe respect. Thats NOT what the National Guard is for. It IS to supplement the standing military at home, and the mission OF the standing military is 1st and foremost to protect our borders

55 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:53:37pm

The Obama veer to the right continues…

56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:54:11pm

re: #54 sattv4u2

What he said.

57 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:54:32pm

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What he said.

without my typos!

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:54:47pm

re: #51 webevintage

Which once again proves the point that no mater WHAT the president does they will bitch about it.
Nothing Obama does short of stepping down will be enough for those freaks.

Oh, stepping down wouldn’t be good enough either.

59 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:54:50pm

re: #26 brookly red

it’s a start troop wise… let us say 800 are on duty at any given time and the border is how many miles?

But are there not already some NG troops there?

60 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:54:54pm

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?

It’s not genetic. The richest man in the world is a Mexican.

It’s not environmental. Southern California is a mess, but not poor, and Arizona is doing just fine.

It’s not like Mexicans aren’t hard workers or don’t want jobs.

So what is it?

61 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:54:57pm

re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just think its a meaningless gesture really. Outside the realm of poltics, anyways.

I don’t like just playing for points, but thats probably why he’s president and I can’t get voted Dogcatcher.

62 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:54:59pm

re: #55 Spare O’Lake

The Obama veer to the right continues…

Meh, at least we got something we can call healthcare reform and build on out of it unlike when Clinton did it….

63 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:55:22pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

Are you in favor of this move, overall?

I am in favor of secure boarders but more from a point of national security, living in NYC I have seen what a few people who shouldn’t have been here in the first place can do.

64 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:55:27pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, stepping down wouldn’t be good enough either.

it didn’t work for Bush either

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:55:30pm

re: #55 Spare O’Lake

The Obama veer to the right continues…

Shouldn’t that be a good thing?

66 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:56:24pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?

It’s not genetic. The richest man in the world is a Mexican.

It’s not environmental. Southern California is a mess, but not poor, and Arizona is doing just fine.

It’s not like Mexicans aren’t hard workers or don’t want jobs.

So what is it?

corruption..500 years of unmitigated corruption

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:56:25pm

Do National Guard Troops have one of those guns that shoots out nets and nabs folks? That would be cool.

They had one in “The Fifth Element”, can we get one of those?

68 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:56:29pm

re: #55 Spare O’Lake

The publics perception of Obama’s veer to the right continues…

FixT.

Its the interesting thing, and why the far left is so up in arms. All that projection during the campaign gone to waste!

69 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:57:11pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do National Guard Troops have one of those guns that shoots out nets and nabs folks? That would be cool.

They had one in “The Fifth Element”, can we get one of those?

you watch WAY too may movies!

70 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:57:14pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

They lack security and stability in their property, by and large. A centralized and (on paper) powerful national government with a massive and confusing bureaucratic structure means that most property is defectively held, meaning most folk don’t have clear title or ownership of anything they own or build, meaning that there’s no pool for the creation of capital.

71 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:57:28pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do National Guard Troops have one of those guns that shoots out nets and nabs folks? That would be cool.

They had one in “The Fifth Element”, can we get one of those?

We totally can!

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:57:32pm

re: #66 albusteve

corruption..500 years of unmitigated corruption

Oh, you mean like how it’s actually cheaper, in the long run, to pay a $100 traffic fine than bribe the policeman $50.

73 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:57:33pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?


So what is it?

The fact that the Oligarchy had such a strangle hold on the gov’t for so long?
Maybe worse racism/classism then here that allow/allowed workers to be treated so badly and paid so little?

74 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:57:35pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Shouldn’t that be a good thing?

Yes it is, unless one happens to be a partisan dem lib…in which case it’s a nightmare.

75 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:57:47pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do National Guard Troops have one of those guns that shoots out nets and nabs folks? That would be cool.

They had one in “The Fifth Element”, can we get one of those?

Nice work with the bean bag bazooka there Lou….

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:57:53pm

re: #59 webevintage

But are there not already some NG troops there?

Yes, have been for years off and on. Another NOTHING.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:58:22pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?

It’s not genetic. The richest man in the world is a Mexican.

It’s not environmental. Southern California is a mess, but not poor, and Arizona is doing just fine.

It’s not like Mexicans aren’t hard workers or don’t want jobs.

So what is it?

Infrastructure, tradition, political and economic mismanagement—you name it.

78 Gus  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:58:41pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Shouldn’t that be a good thing?

The right will ignore it. The wingnuts will never admit to it.

79 Randall Gross  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:58:44pm

I thought it was kinda knee jerk posturing to calm down southern state governors when Bush did it, I think the same now. As a Republican partisan at the time, I gave it a half hearted yeah, good move back then… So President Obama gets the same now, since it helps appearances. It’s a posture, but heck if it will calm some hotheads down, it’s probably a good thing…

80 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:58:50pm

re: #74 Spare O’Lake

I do think its funny that nobody has complained on here about it except for you tho’ >>

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:58:52pm

re: #73 webevintage

The fact that the Oligarchy had such a strangle hold on the gov’t for so long?
Maybe worse racism/classism then here that allow/allowed workers to be treated so badly and paid so little?

Would this be the same Oligarchy that is currently angry at us?

Hmmm…looks like it.

82 prairiefire  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:58:54pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?

It’s not genetic. The richest man in the world is a Mexican.

It’s not environmental. Southern California is a mess, but not poor, and Arizona is doing just fine.

It’s not like Mexicans aren’t hard workers or don’t want jobs.

So what is it?

The internal corruption is very bad.

83 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:59:29pm

re: #54 sattv4u2

Hoosier,, with all dioe respect. Thats NOT what the National Guard is for. It IS to supplement the standing military at home, and the mission OF the standing military is 1st and foremost to protect our borders

You do have a valid point Satt…
but if the mission of Border patrol is to guard our Borders…Then they should get the resources to succeed in their stated mission…
Charles Posted from the above News Clip:
“training capacity until Customs and Border Patrol can recruit and train additional officers and agents to serve on the border”
That I think is the proper way to move ahead..
Hi Satt! Go Celtics!

84 Batman  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:59:30pm

re: #4 middy

Watch the wingnuts try to spin this, even though it’s what they’ve been demanding he do.

When that happens there are only two routes: take the opposite point of view and pretend it jives with what you’ve been saying all along, or incessantly imply that Obama is slowly realizing conservatives are right about everything and this is a step in the right direction, but that he won’t ever really not be a commie-fascist so the american people will vote him out next election. Congratulating him for doing something they agree with just isn’t in their repertoire.

85 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:59:37pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s akin to comparing east Germany and West Germany.

(Imo the only actual solution is the same, /INTERNATIONALIST!)

86 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 25, 2010 1:59:55pm

Fever Swamp reaction

Lots of wink and nod sarcasm about the troops being armed with rubber bands and weedeaters, and an AlexJonesian sub-strain about them actually being sent to intimidate Arizona law enforcement and round up vigilantes.

87 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:00:02pm

re: #68 windsagio

FixT.

Its the interesting thing, and why the far left is so up in arms. All that projection during the campaign gone to waste!

Amazingly, your comment is spot on.

88 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:00:07pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, have been for years off and on. Another NOTHING.

Years and years:

Image: Villa_%20Pershing%20and%20Obregon%20LOC.jpg

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:00:27pm

re: #61 windsagio

Honesty ding.

I think that 1,200 troops on the border is better than what we have right now.

Arizona Border with Mexico is 370 miles long (FY’allsI).

90 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:00:31pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Infrastructure, tradition, political and economic mismanagement—you name it.

Which is sad
Mexico has some of THE most amazing beaches/ oceanfront property in the world
Mexico City, due to it’s location SHOULD be a world class business center linking North and South America, not to mention the Carribean

With all that, Mexico SHOULD be an economic giant

91 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:00:47pm

re: #85 windsagio

It’s akin to comparing east Germany and West Germany.

(Imo the only actual solution is the same, /INTERNATIONALIST!)

/how are your Euros doing?

92 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:01:58pm

re: #90 sattv4u2

Which is sad
Mexico has some of THE most amazing beaches/ oceanfront property in the world
Mexico City, due to it’s location SHOULD be a world class business center linking North and South America, not to mention the Carribean

With all that, Mexico SHOULD be an economic giant

It is an economic giant, a very corrupt economic giant.

93 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:02:19pm

re: #87 Spare O’Lake

We all get lucky sometimes >>

No its a fascinating thing. All along he’s been a ‘get things done and compromise’ kinda poltician. I think the Right has actually made a terrible mistake by painting him as a communist/socialist/left extremist. He’s too willing to show he’s not.

*god, listen to me gushing again* /embarassed.

94 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:02:48pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, have been for years off and on. Another NOTHING.

Here is a bit of fact checking I found:

[Link: meetthefacts.com…]

[Link: politifact.com…]

It is still not that list of what has been going on since Obama got in office.

95 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:03:33pm

re: #83 HoosierHoops

You do have a valid point Satt…
but if the mission of Border patrol is to guard our Borders…Then they should get the resources to succeed in their stated mission…Charles Posted from the above News Clip:
“training capacity until Customs and Border Patrol can recruit and train additional officers and agents to serve on the border”
That I think is the proper way to move ahead..
Hi Satt! Go Celtics!


I agree. But hiring/ training takes time. There’s a need YESTERDAY for re-inforcements

I applaud the Pres for this step

96 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:03:52pm

Oh look it’s after 5:00 (reaches for bottle opener)

97 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:03:53pm

re: #91 brookly red

Again, I’m thinking more the Germany Model >>

98 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:03:59pm

re: #90 sattv4u2

Which is sad
Mexico has some of THE most amazing beaches/ oceanfront property in the world
Mexico City, due to it’s location SHOULD be a world class business center linking North and South America, not to mention the Carribean

With all that, Mexico SHOULD be an economic giant

Yes, but they need to learn that a country can’t truly succeed until all the people can succeed. Like, for example, if a region of a country (like say, “the south”) were to deliberately offer a poor education and no business opportunities to a segment of their population (like, say, “colored folk”), that region will lag behind those that do offer opportunity. Until they figure it out.

Without that, you just putter along at feudal level until you figure it out.

99 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:04:10pm

I am curious how the right wing will be outraged over this latest action:

1. That libruhl Obama didn’t issue flamethrowers! He is coddling illegals and giving them too many rights!

2. That tranzi Obama has finally capitulated to the views of the right, but we won’t be fooled… (actually this is the most likely)

3. His plan will never work, he is not deploying enough men. Our plan that will not deploy enough men will work..

4. Obama is really deploying those troops to take your guns, push you into concentration camps and give your homes to illegals!

5. Buy Gold!

100 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:04:19pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

I have a feeling this was discussed during Calderon’s recent visit.

I suspect you are quite correct.
I am glad to see it, though.
And I hope it makes enough of a difference that other states won’t see fit to try to enact laws such as the one Arizona did.

101 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:05:00pm

re: #94 webevintage

It is still not that list of what has been going on since Obama got in office.


Hmmmm, maybe this is what I was thinking of?
[Link: www.dhs.gov…]

102 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:05:26pm

I might go to Free Republic and suggest that we invite Venezuela, Sweden, and Morroco to provide UN troops to patrol the border.

It would be the online equivalent of that tractor-trailer load of bees that was wrecked on the Interstate near Minneapolis yesterday.

103 Political Atheist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:05:30pm

It seems to me the only time the border is beefed up is when something forces the Feds to act. First 9/11, now the Arizona law. If not for those two things the border would be as open as it was in 2000.

Will congress stand up to the big employers of illegal labor? We’ll see.

104 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:05:49pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

I am curious how the right wing will be outraged over this latest action:

1. That libruhl Obama didn’t issue flamethrowers! He is coddling illegals and giving them too many rights!

2. That tranzi Obama has finally capitulated to the views of the right, but we won’t be fooled… (actually this is the most likely)

3. His plan will never work, he is not deploying enough men. Our plan that will not deploy enough men will work..

4. Obama is really deploying those troops to take your guns, push you into concentration camps and give your homes to illegals!

5. Buy Gold!

naawww just complain about the small number…

105 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:05:49pm

re: #100 reine.de.tout

I suspect you are quite correct.
I am glad to see it, though.
And I hope it makes enough of a difference that other states won’t see fit to try to enact laws such as the one Arizona did.

Maybe now, thet won’t have too! (meaning,, if the feds are doing their job, then the states won’t have to do it for them)

106 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:05:55pm

re: #100 reine.de.tout

I think that’s the thing that actually gets to me emotionally about this.

I don’t like the idea that the AZ politicians might think their evil, evil law actually achieved their goals. (or that any politicians got that idea).

I really don’t want to enter an era of states passing shame-laws vs. the feds.

107 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:06:23pm

re: #103 Rightwingconspirator

Will congress stand up to the big employers of illegal labor? We’ll see.

No, no they won’t.

108 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:06:39pm

re: #96 brookly red

Oh look it’s after 5:00 (reaches for bottle opener)

It’s hotter than Heck in Indiana…I’m going to jump in the pool before dinner…
* clanks beer bottle with Brookly*

109 Political Atheist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:06:40pm

re: #96 brookly red

You just gave me an idea for a popular new product-The alarm clock beer cap! At 5:00 I’ll hear pop fizzzzz.

110 ryannon  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #38 jamesfirecat

Gah, don’t know how that happened my reply post got messed up I was talking to Brook Red. I distinctly recall him making a post that ended up getting banned on the subject of using predator drones and hellfire missiles along the Mexican Border.

That said my memory is foggy because of all the catnip I chew so I might have been thinking of someone else. Does anyone else have a memory on the issue?

I thought it opportune to post one of those YouTube Hellfire missile videos and someone totally freaked and informed Charles. I couldn’t imagine anyone taking it seriously, but it was almost immediately nuked.

111 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:07:33pm

Now that we’re above 100 posts

OT

I HATE cleaning the turtle tank

I’d rather pick fly shit out of pepper!

(yeah ,, I had some strange jobs when I was young ,, whats it to ya!?!?!?)

112 johndri  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:07:38pm

We have army (or National Guard) troops posted all along coastal Alabama. Am I the only one concerned about all these domestic deployments?

113 Varek Raith  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:07:45pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Shouldn’t that be a good thing?

FLIP FLOPPER!!!!

114 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:07:53pm

re: #109 Rightwingconspirator

You just gave me an idea for a popular new product-The alarm clock beer cap! At 5:00 I’ll hear pop fizzz.

brilliant! I’ll take 2!

115 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:08:16pm

Nothing like pissing away an hour on a 5 minute job because someone can’t be bothered to read procedures.

116 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:08:38pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

I am curious how the right wing will be outraged over this latest action:

1. That libruhl Obama didn’t issue flamethrowers! He is coddling illegals and giving them too many rights!

2. That tranzi Obama has finally capitulated to the views of the right, but we won’t be fooled… (actually this is the most likely)

3. His plan will never work, he is not deploying enough men. Our plan that will not deploy enough men will work..

4. Obama is really deploying those troops to take your guns, push you into concentration camps and give your homes to illegals!

5. Buy Gold!

Obama’s propensity to bend with each passing breeze is his greatest political asset.
Obama’s propensity to bend with each passing breeze is his greatest political liability.

117 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:08:39pm

re: #112 johndri

We have army (or National Guard) troops posted all along coastal Alabama. Am I the only one concerned about all these domestic deployments?

yes

Every state has a standing nat. guard to be called up for various emergencys. Whats the problem?

118 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:08:43pm

re: #106 windsagio

I think that’s the thing that actually gets to me emotionally about this.

I don’t like the idea that the AZ politicians might think their evil, evil law actually achieved their goals. (or that any politicians got that idea).

I really don’t want to enter an era of states passing shame-laws vs. the feds.

Me either. What a waste of time and energy!

119 Political Atheist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:08:50pm

re: #107 windsagio

You would think high unemployment would be a motivator. You would think the fines would be a motivator. What is their hold on the Congress? Donations? Given all the money the financial and medical industries are pouring into campaign coffers you would think the citrus and poultry guys would be out bid.

120 Varek Raith  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:09:01pm

re: #115 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nothing like pissing away an hour on a 5 minute job because someone can’t be bothered to read procedures.

You need some big orc with a whip to get those fools in line.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:09:03pm

re: #103 Rightwingconspirator

IIRC during the last few years, some very large meat packing plants were raided and illegals were arrested.

122 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:09:29pm

re: #112 johndri

We have army (or National Guard) troops posted all along coastal Alabama. Am I the only one concerned about all these domestic deployments?

/would you prefer a foreign deployment? say maybe Korea?

123 gamark  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:09:42pm

re: #36 Aceofwhat?

yep, and IIRC, the mexican boys are too busy hiding from cartel thugs.

At least the ones that are not cartel thugs themselves.

124 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:10:08pm

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IIRC during the last few years, some very large meat packing plants were raided and illegals were arrested.

LOTS
[Link: www.google.com…]

125 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:10:30pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

You need some big orc with a whip to get those fools in line.

Where there’s a whip there is a way!

126 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:10:32pm

re: #119 Rightwingconspirator

It goes state by state tho’, and those agribusiness guys are actually HUGE! Certainly bigger than any opponents would be. Especially in agri states.

Its just a gut response, tho’.

127 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:10:42pm

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IIRC during the last few years, some very large meat packing plants were raided and illegals were arrested.

and then promptly released but the price of corned beef did go up 4 cents a pound…

128 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:10:46pm

Gulf Oil Spill Update:

For those interested in how tomorrows Top Kill attempt will unfold, our friends at BP have provided this informative video. 13 minutes long. It also discusses how the LMRP will work, assuming the mud kill fails, and briefly addresses the next fall back, hot sticking another BOP on the existing BOP stack ala Red Adair.


BP Top Kill video briefing

I give the Top Kill with mud a 50/50 chance of working. Within the 50% failure is the chance of a larger blow out, from the present 5,000 barrels a day, to between 15,000 and 130,000 bpd, depending on the reservoir quality which is unknown.

129 gamark  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:11:15pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that’s how the apes caught Charlton Heston, too.

130 ryannon  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:11:23pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?

It’s not genetic. The richest man in the world is a Mexican.

It’s not environmental. Southern California is a mess, but not poor, and Arizona is doing just fine.

It’s not like Mexicans aren’t hard workers or don’t want jobs.

So what is it?

We have magic unicorns and they don’t.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:12:30pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

So, what the hell aren’t they doing?

When I got my job, I (fully red blooded anglo Murikan) had to bring 86 forms (I exaggerate) to prove my citizenship to get my job. Other job I had, years ago, had to bring in papers three years after I was hired there.

132 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:12:44pm

re: #112 johndri

We have army (or National Guard) troops posted all along coastal Alabama. Am I the only one concerned about all these domestic deployments?

They’re going to link arms and drive us all into Canada! I heard it on Rush.

133 Political Atheist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:12:54pm

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many employers got handcuffed or fined seriously? Reminds me of the value of arresting a drug dealer over the value of arresting a drug addict. I must admit this one gets my goat.

134 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:13:04pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They just don’t look really closely at fake forms, afaik.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:13:35pm

re: #129 gamark

I was thinking that, but I don’t think it was a net shooting gun… was it?

136 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:13:48pm

re: #133 Rightwingconspirator

Its Effing annoying.

I kinda feel like people can’t seroiusly complain about immigration reform until we show real will to fix the employment end of it.

137 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:14:15pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, what the hell aren’t they doing?

When I got my job, I (fully red blooded anglo Murikan) had to bring 86 forms (I exaggerate) to prove my citizenship to get my job. Other job I had, years ago, had to bring in papers three years after I was hired there.

that is the beauty of a Brooklyn accent… no one evah axs where I am frum.

138 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:14:15pm

re: #128 Bagua

Gulf Oil Spill Update:

For those interested in how tomorrows Top Kill attempt will unfold, our friends at BP have provided this informative video. 13 minutes long. It also discusses how the LMRP will work, assuming the mud kill fails, and briefly addresses the next fall back, hot sticking another BOP on the existing BOP stack ala Red Adair.

BP Top Kill video briefing

I give the Top Kill with mud a 50/50 chance of working. Within the 50% failure is the chance of a larger blow out, from the present 5,000 barrels a day, to between 15,000 and 130,000 bpd, depending on the reservoir quality which is unknown.

great video!

139 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:14:29pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

They’re going to link arms and drive us all into Canada! I heard it on Rush.

Welcome, and bring yer fishing rods.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:15:20pm

re: #64 albusteve

it didn’t work for Bush either

No, now he’s getting it from both sides.

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:16:10pm

re: #129 gamark

I think that’s how the apes caught Charlton Heston, too.

Nah… they dropped a net on him from an overpass.

142 Randall Gross  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:16:12pm

Gizmodo’s pinhole camera challenge, some interesting shots here….

[Link: gizmodo.com…]

143 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:16:16pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, what the hell aren’t they doing?

When I got my job, I (fully red blooded anglo Murikan) had to bring 86 forms (I exaggerate) to prove my citizenship to get my job. Other job I had, years ago, had to bring in papers three years after I was hired there.

Depends on what you mean by “,,,aren’t THEY doing”

If you’re talking about the employers, they take the (fake) documents for the worker at face value. I have seen a fake Georgia Drivers license. To my eye (the potential employer) it is indistinguishable from my own
If you’re talking about the feds post raid, they fine the company and I surmise they hold the “illegal” for ICE and most likely deported, only to have that person re-cross the border somewhere else within a month

144 Varek Raith  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:16:39pm

re: #139 Spare O’Lake

Welcome, and bring yer fishing rods.

I call Saskatchewan.
Guess why.
MUHAHAHAHAHA!

145 gamark  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:16:39pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, I think you’re right. ISTR it was teams of horsemenapes throwing nets.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:16:44pm

re: #74 Spare O’Lake

Yes it is, unless one happens to be a partisan dem lib…in which case it’s a nightmare.

Or a partisan wingnut, in which case it’s confusing.

147 robdouth  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:17:02pm

“The move comes in wake of Arizona’s passage of a harsh immigration law, which ignited a national conversation about illegal immigration.”

Wow so politico doesn’t know that the AZ bill is actually softer on immigration then the federal laws? AZ basically just allows the federal law to be enforced by state officials (while removing the ability to profile which is still allowed in the federal law) and it’s a “harsh” immigration law.

What happened to Napolitano saying that the border is the safest it’s been in a long time. If it’s so safe, why does national gaurd presence need to be stepped up. Thanks for the gesture Mr. President, but does this mean you’ll apologize to the good people of Arizona for passing what is obviously a necessary law?

148 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:17:11pm

Most frustrating part of this whole mess is that no one wants to do anything about it. Not really; sure, folk’ll raid an employer, or hassle a few guys at a day labor site, but when push comes to shove, no one has the will to shut down the folk who exploit illegal immigrant labor, fix the mess in mexico that makes a hike across blistering desert in the company of killers in order to take a job as an underpaid laborer in the underground economy so damned appealing.

Gotta fix all aspects of the problem; couple more troops on the border won’t do a damned thing.

149 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:18:02pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

You need some big orc with a whip to get those fools in line.

All I want is summary execution authority. Is that too much to ask for?

150 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:18:11pm

re: #134 windsagio

They just don’t look really closely at fake forms, afaik.

see 143. Even “looking close” doesn’t help. The drivers license I had an oportunity to see could not be distinguished as different from mine, to the untrained (read employers) eye

151 robdouth  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:18:34pm

re: #148 Guanxi88

Here here. But you can’t expect us to fix Mexico’s problems, when we’re already trying with so many of our own.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:19:05pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

I saw a fake Mastercard once that had been drawn on cardboard with colored pens.

I am completely serious.

It didn’t pass.

153 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:19:08pm

re: #148 Guanxi88

Most frustrating part of this whole mess is that no one wants to do anything about it. Not really; sure, folk’ll raid an employer, or hassle a few guys at a day labor site, but when push comes to shove, no one has the will to shut down the folk who exploit illegal immigrant labor, fix the mess in mexico that makes a hike across blistering desert in the company of killers in order to take a job as an underpaid laborer in the underground economy so damned appealing.

Gotta fix all aspects of the problem; couple more troops on the border won’t do a damned thing.

it is a 12 step program, step 1 admit there is a problem.

154 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:19:08pm

re: #129 gamark

I think that’s how the apes caught Charlton Heston, too.

I have often thought that Charlton Heston’s political views were shaped by his movie career.

IN the future mankind is:

1. Chased to near extinction by face eating zombies
2. Hunted and enslaved by angry apes
3. Turned into food by a corrupt totalitarian regime

The only answer to such things can be guns… BIG guns… AMEN!

155 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:19:28pm

re: #151 robdouth

Here here. But you can’t expect us to fix Mexico’s problems, when we’re already trying with so many of our own.

Yeah, I don’t expect we;re likely to put Mexico under too much pressure to fix a problem that has been to the benefit of so many on both sides of the border.

156 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:19:29pm

re: #29 jamesfirecat

“Does the sun ever shine during a Democratic administration? With Obama in office now, when babies laugh do you hear only the sound of kittens drowning?”

Jon Stewart…

Under the Obama Regime there is only the resounding clamor of the Left, and the neighing of thirsty unicorns.

/wingnut variation on Warhammer 40K

157 lostlakehiker  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:19:34pm

re: #45 windsagio

The problem is, if they’re out in the desert, they’re essentially useless (1200 people is like nothing), and if they’re in the cities, how is it not policing? Its not like the checkpoints are undermanned (I think, admittedly :p)

As with global warming, any amount of increase in a quantity that obstructs flow across a boundary will reduce the flow some.

The question of whether it’s “enough” is a values judgment. It’s enough to make a difference. It is of course not enough to halve the flow. But the step is welcome.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:19:53pm

re: #154 LudwigVanQuixote

That is fuckin’ genius.

159 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:20:14pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, what the hell aren’t they doing?

When I got my job, I (fully red blooded anglo Murikan) had to bring 86 forms (I exaggerate) to prove my citizenship to get my job. Other job I had, years ago, had to bring in papers three years after I was hired there.

BTW ,,,, a fake of all “86 forms” are available on the street for the right price

160 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:20:33pm

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is fuckin’ genius.

Thank you… See, I can occasionally be funny :)

161 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:20:38pm

re: #157 lostlakehiker

Yep. Any concentration of forces sufficient to stem the tide in one place will only encourage folk to cross elsewhere.

162 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:20:52pm

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw a fake Mastercard once that had been drawn on cardboard with colored pens.

I am completely serious.

It didn’t pass.

Thats because the doofus tried to use it at the car wash

Water + CardBoard ,,, not so much!

163 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:20:52pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Under the Obama Regime there is only the resounding clamor of the Left, and the neighing of thirsty unicorns.

/wingnut variation on Warhammer 40K

Hey anyone who has ever played Overlord will tell you that those unicorns are vicious spiteful bastards…

164 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:21:15pm

re: #144 Varek Raith

I call Saskatchewan.
Guess why.
MUHAHAHAHAHA!

Glad you’re here, Varek. This is for you.

165 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:21:30pm

re: #161 Guanxi88

Yep. Any concentration of forces sufficient to stem the tide in one place will only encourage folk to cross elsewhere.

that’s the point

166 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:21:38pm

re: #160 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you… See, I can occasionally be funny :)

Just alert us as to when it may happen!!

////

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:21:46pm
168 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:21:54pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

Hey anyone who has ever played Overlord will tell you that those unicorns are vicious spiteful bastards…

LOL!

169 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:22:00pm

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw a fake Mastercard once that had been drawn on cardboard with colored pens.

I am completely serious.

It didn’t pass.

Saw a fellow who drew a stamp and passed it at the post office. Freakin’ amazing waste of talent.

170 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:22:17pm

re: #144 Varek Raith

I call Saskatchewan.
Guess why.
MUHAHAHAHAHA!

Its a heave ho, hi ho,
Coming down the plains
Stealing wheat and Barley and all the other grains!

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:22:30pm

re: #63 brookly red

I am in favor of secure boarders but more from a point of national security, living in NYC I have seen what a few people who shouldn’t have been here in the first place can do.

I can understand where you’re coming from, but you seem oddly unwilling to consider this a positive move. What’s the downside?

172 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:22:52pm

As a great man once said, “Anyone who thinks Empire is the most boring Star Wars film can go eat a bag of shit.”

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:23:07pm

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honesty ding.

I think that 1,200 troops on the border is better than what we have right now.

Arizona Border with Mexico is 370 miles long (FY’allsI).

1,200 MORE troops.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:23:36pm

re: #169 Guanxi88

How long would it take to draw a stamp? Guy was an artist, but wasn’t good at Economics, huh.

175 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:23:44pm

re: #161 Guanxi88

Yep. Any concentration of forces sufficient to stem the tide in one place will only encourage folk to cross elsewhere.

/OK so we did a humongous moat, it will create a whole bunch of shovel ready jobs, create a whole bunch of waterfront property & replace the Panama Canal. vote for me.

176 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:24:19pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How long would it take to draw a stamp? Guy was an artist, but wasn’t good at Economics, huh.

I think it was more for the challenge and the bragging rights. Damnedest thing.

177 Nimed  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:25:39pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think it’s a war until we deploy them across the border.

But SanFranZ, we’re the ones being invaded! Don’t you see it? Brown Dawn!

178 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:25:40pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

I can understand where you’re coming from, but you seem oddly unwilling to consider this a positive move. What’s the downside?

no right from the get go I said it is a start, but it is by no means a fix.

179 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:25:40pm

re: #175 brookly red

/OK so we did a humongous moat, it will create a whole bunch of shovel ready jobs, create a whole bunch of waterfront property & replace the Panama Canal. vote for me.

And BP will fill it with burning oil. That ought to hold them for a couple weeks.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:26:14pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

Maybe now, thet won’t have too! (meaning,, if the feds are doing their job, then the states won’t have to do it for them)

Cracking my knuckles and breathing deeply. OK, I’m OK now.

181 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:26:22pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

And BP will fill it with burning oil. That ought to hold them for a couple weeks.

now there you go!

182 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:26:44pm

Yeah, though, phoney documents are commonly available in the border areas, and the quality is superb.

In fact, there’s a joking suggestion that some folk here i the states might want to equip themselves with fake Mexican documents to keep the local LE types off their case. Drive around in a car with Mexican tags, and all you’re likely to get in most of Texas is ignored.

183 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:27:10pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

Cracking my knuckles and breathing deeply. OK, I’m OK now.

what’s the problem?….if the feds have been on this why all the rhetoric?

184 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:27:37pm

re: #55 Spare O’Lake

The Obama veer to the right continues…

He’s always been a moderate Dem. This is not news. The spin is that he’s far left, but it’s just spin.

185 Nimed  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:27:53pm

re: #55 Spare O’Lake

The Obama veer to the right continues…

Comment favorited. Most likely future uses:

Even Spare O’Lake admits Obama is a centrist”
Even conservatives admit Obama is a centrist”

186 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:27:55pm

re: #177 Nimed

But SanFranZ, we’re the ones being invaded! Don’t you see it? Brown Dawn!

WOLVERINES!

187 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:28:43pm

re: #144 Varek Raith

I call Saskatchewan.
Guess why.
MUHAHAHAHAHA!

World record 43 pound rainbow trout?

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:28:44pm

re: #112 johndri

We have army (or National Guard) troops posted all along coastal Alabama. Am I the only one concerned about all these domestic deployments?

Do I even want to know why you’re concerned about these domestic deployments?

189 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:28:51pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

WOLVERINES!

Badgers? Badgers? We don’t got no badgers. We don’t need no stinkin’ badgers.

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:29:09pm

re: #116 Spare O’Lake

Obama’s propensity to bend with each passing breeze is his greatest political asset.
Obama’s propensity to bend with each passing breeze is his greatest political liability.

Your perception is not reality

191 palomino  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:29:35pm

re: #3 Gus 802

1200 soldiers and the wingnuts will still manage to bitch, moan, complain, whine and coach from the sidelines.

The far right response is lame-ass BS, but not really that surprising.

Once you’ve decided that Obama is a Kenyan terrorist-sympathizing Marxist usurper hellbent on undermining all American values, then any support for him is impermissible. It would be an act of treason to give him credit for anything. They’ve created a self-perpetuating machine of utter disdain for all things Obama.

192 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:29:38pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Do I even want to know why you’re concerned about these domestic deployments?

BLACK HELICOPTERS FILLED WITH G-MEN

193 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:29:47pm

re: #128 Bagua

Gulf Oil Spill Update:

For those interested in how tomorrows Top Kill attempt will unfold, our friends at BP have provided this informative video. 13 minutes long. It also discusses how the LMRP will work, assuming the mud kill fails, and briefly addresses the next fall back, hot sticking another BOP on the existing BOP stack ala Red Adair.

BP Top Kill video briefing

I give the Top Kill with mud a 50/50 chance of working. Within the 50% failure is the chance of a larger blow out, from the present 5,000 barrels a day, to between 15,000 and 130,000 bpd, depending on the reservoir quality which is unknown.

OK, I watched the thing.
What they did not show are the leaks they have at various places in the crumpled riser.

As they try to kill this thing from the top into the wellhead what happens with the leaks? They will continue to leak, will they not? And how do they keep those places from leaking the mud once it gets down there? Or am I just completely confused?

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:29:57pm

re: #116 Spare O’Lake

Obama’s propensity to bend with each passing breeze is his greatest political asset.
Obama’s propensity to bend with each passing breeze is his greatest political liability.

Did he ever say he wouldn’t deploy the National Guard to address Mexican border concerns? Did he ever imply he wouldn’t?

//Is it so bad to be responsive to the terrible, terrible plight of the poor, unfortunate people of Brave Little Arizona?

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:30:42pm

re: #191 palomino

Yeah, policy has long since left the discussion.

They hate Obama the way pro wrestling fans hate a heel. No logic, no critical thought, nothin’. Just the opiate of rage.

196 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:30:52pm

re: #191 palomino

The far right response is lame-ass BS, but not really that surprising.

Once you’ve decided that Obama is a Kenyan terrorist-sympathizing Marxist usurper hellbent on undermining all American values, then any support for him is impermissible. It would be an act of treason to give him credit for anything. They’ve created a self-perpetuating machine of utter disdain for all things Obama.

I don’t think he’s a Kenyan, though

////

197 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:31:18pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Do I even want to know why you’re concerned about these domestic deployments?

In a word

NO

I ventured there also
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

198 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:31:23pm

re: #192 WindUpBird

BLACK HELICOPTERS FILLED WITH G-MEN

Those guys got laid off when W left office. More victims of Bush.

199 Fozzie Bear  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:31:51pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno about that, the Army at least is doing their damnedest. They’re up against a big dragon the reincarnated true form of Ronnie James Dio.

FTFY

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:31:58pm

re: #147 robdouth

Thanks for the gesture Mr. President, but does this mean you’ll apologize to the good people of Arizona for passing what is obviously a necessary law?

A dumbass law is still a dumbass law.

201 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:32:08pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

Did he ever say he wouldn’t deploy the National Guard to address Mexican border concerns? Did he ever imply he wouldn’t?

//Is it so bad to be responsive to the terrible, terrible plight of the poor, unfortunate people of Brave Little Arizona?

It’s perfect! If Obama does something that Republicans like, he’s bending with each passing breeze, and if he does something Democrats like he’s OMG FOR THE TERRORISTS SOCIALIST HRGLBLGR

Politics is so dumb and amazing.

202 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:32:48pm

re: #201 WindUpBird

It’s perfect! If Obama does something that Republicans like, he’s bending with each passing breeze, and if he does something Democrats like he’s OMG FOR THE TERRORISTS SOCIALIST HRGLBLGR

Politics is so dumb and amazing.

It’s fun though, and the closest thing to a socially acceptable blood-sport.

203 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:33:02pm

re: #191 palomino

The far right response is lame-ass BS, but not really that surprising.

Once you’ve decided that Obama is a Kenyan terrorist-sympathizing Marxist usurper hellbent on undermining all American values, then any support for him is impermissible. It would be an act of treason to give him credit for anything. They’ve created a self-perpetuating machine of utter disdain for all things Obama.

As he so eloquently told the House Republicans during their health care Q&A.

204 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:33:28pm

re: #175 brookly red

/OK so we did a humongous moat, it will create a whole bunch of shovel ready jobs, create a whole bunch of waterfront property & replace the Panama Canal. vote for me.

It needs to be filled with friggin’ sharks with friggin’ lasers on their heads…..

205 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:33:35pm

re: #198 Guanxi88

Those guys got laid off when W left office. More victims of Bush.

Hahaha, there’s a guy with his black suit and his barcode tattooed on his neck, looking all bored in the unemployment line.

“What are your skills, sir?”

“Well, I’m really good at abducting UFO kooks…”

206 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:33:36pm

re: #202 Guanxi88

It’s fun though, and the closest thing to a socially acceptable blood-sport.

try speed dating :)

207 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:33:44pm

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

A dumbass law is still a dumbass law.

then why don’t the feds change it instead of refusing to enforce it?….do you think it’s a healthy federal policy to arbitrarily enforce some laws, but not others?

208 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:33:47pm

re: #198 Guanxi88

Those guys got laid off when W left office. More victims of Bush.

Incorrect

They’re still employed privately by Dick Cheney for his TRIUMPHANT RETURN TO POWER

MMWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

209 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:33:59pm

re: #204 webevintage

It needs to be filled with friggin’ sharks with friggin’ lasers on their heads…

Or some of those Amazonian catfish from that “River Monsters” show.

Freakin’ Candiru!

210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:34:05pm

re: #202 Guanxi88

It’s fun though, and the closest thing to a socially acceptable blood-sport.

Oh it is! I love it as sport.

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:34:15pm

re: #204 webevintage

It needs to be filled with friggin’ sharks with friggin’ lasers on their heads…

Ahem… We have sea bass. But they’re mutated sea bass.

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:34:24pm

re: #206 brookly red

try speed dating :)

what is this “dating”, I’m not familiar

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:34:25pm

re: #178 brookly red

no right from the get go I said it is a start, but it is by no means a fix.

My position re the Mexico/U.S. border is that there is no ‘fix’.

214 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:34:33pm

re: #205 WindUpBird

Hahaha, there’s a guy with his black suit and his barcode tattooed on his neck, looking all bored in the unemployment line.

“What are your skills, sir?”

“Well, I’m really good at abducting UFO kooks…”

Oh, so that’s why they claim to have been “probed”….

215 darthstar  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:35:17pm

I’m fuckin’ beat…I signed up for a 5K run on June 12 and decided today would be a good day to see if I could run 5k on the treadmill…I did…just. Had to walk about 3/4 of a mile of it in between a mile run and a 3/4 mile run…my time is pathetic, but hey, it’s real so here it is. 35:12. 7min/km…I guess that’s better than dropping dead in the gym half way through…but boy are my dogs in for a treat…no more ‘I don’t feel like jogging this morning’ excuses for two weeks…it’s “long loop double back” every day (I have a short loop and a long loop I take them on on our hill(we’re at 1500 feet)…the long loop with a double-back comes out to 2 miles…I figure that’s a good training distance for the first week, then a long loop double-back with a short loop to bring me to three miles the last four days, and I should be good to go for 5k at sea level.

I suppose if I really wanted to train I could go shack up with Walter at 8200 feet, but if running at that altitude didn’t kill me, he probably would. ;)

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:35:29pm

re: #183 albusteve

what’s the problem?…if the feds have been on this why all the rhetoric?

What rhetoric are you talking about? The endless repetitions that the Feds do nothing, nothing, nothing, which doesn’t modify even when people point out WHAT THEY DO?

217 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:35:38pm

re: #184 WindUpBird

He’s always been a moderate Dem. This is not news. The spin is that he’s far left, but it’s just spin.

He was a commie before he was a socialist, before he was a liberal, before he was a centrist…etc., etc., etc.
It’ll really be time to worry when he moves to the right of the Paulians.

218 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:35:43pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

what is this “dating”, I’m not familiar

Its when you say something like “I loved Shanana when I was a kid”

219 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:35:46pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

My position re the Mexico/U.S. border is that there is no ‘fix’.

we knew that, but a defeatist attitude accomplishes nothing

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:35:46pm

re: #133 Rightwingconspirator

How many employers got handcuffed or fined seriously? Reminds me of the value of arresting a drug dealer over the value of arresting a drug addict. I must admit this one gets my goat.

Illegal immigrants don’t have the lobbying clout that their employers do 8-)

221 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:35:50pm

re: #191 palomino

The far right response is lame-ass BS, but not really that surprising

HOLD THE WEDDING

This was just announced (the border beef up)

Where have you seen the “far right response” thta is “lame-ass BS”?

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:35:57pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m inclined to agree… but do we not try?

You can’t really have a country without borders? Or am I just silly?

Don’t answer that question.

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:36:02pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

WOLVERINES!

Wrong border. CHUPACABRAS!!

224 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:36:15pm

re: #214 brookly red

Oh, so that’s why they claim to have been “probed”…

Ever see that X-files episode? :D

“He ate an entire pie!”

225 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:36:36pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

My position re the Mexico/U.S. border is that there is no ‘fix’.

so just ,,, fuggid!?

Get rid of the border crossing stations?

226 darthstar  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:36:41pm

re: #192 WindUpBird

BLACK HELICOPTERS FILLED WITH G-MEN

Did someone say helicopters?

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:36:55pm

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m inclined to agree… but do we not try?

You can’t really have a country without borders? Or am I just silly?

Don’t answer that question.

And you can’t have an economy without illegals 8-) Or at least, not the one we have now!

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:37:06pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

so just ,,, fuggid!?

Get rid of the border crossing stations?

straw man

229 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:37:13pm

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ahem… We have sea bass. But they’re mutated sea bass.

If only Obama was Dr. Evil….

230 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:37:24pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

The far right response is lame-ass BS, but not really that surprising

HOLD THE WEDDING

This was just announced (the border beef up)

Where have you seen the “far right response” thta is “lame-ass BS”?

Hot Air

231 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:37:32pm

re: #230 WindUpBird

as in, the website Hot Air

232 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:37:39pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

My position re the Mexico/U.S. border is that there is no ‘fix’.

Maybe no cure but some very effective treatment…

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:38:20pm

re: #217 Spare O’Lake

He was a commie before he was a socialist, before he was a liberal, before he was a centrist…etc., etc., etc.
It’ll really be time to worry when he moves to the right of the Paulians.

If he starts building a city at the bottom of an ocean, I’m done

234 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:38:22pm

re: #209 Guanxi88

Or some of those Amazonian catfish from that “River Monsters” show.

Freakin’ Candiru!

For those not hep:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Alleged attacks on people

Although lurid anecdotes of attacks on humans abound, there is only one documented case of a candiru entering a human orifice.[7] In this instance, the victim claimed that the candiru “jumped” into his urethra as he urinated while thigh-deep in a river.[8] It was also once thought that the fish was attracted to urine (as the candiru’s primary prey emits ammonia from its gills, a chemical found in urine), but this was later discredited in formal experimentation.[4][9] Indeed, the fish appears not to have any response to any chemical attractants, and primarily hunts by visual tracking.[9] Bathers in the region are, however, warned not to urinate while swimming, out of concern that the expansion of the urethra during urination will allow the fish to enter the otherwise closed orifice.[8]

Traditional treatment for candiru is said to involve the use of extracts from the jagua or jenipapo plant (Genipa americana) and the Buitach apple, as it is thought that these two plants together will kill and then dislodge the fish.[10] Modern medicine, however, uses surgery. [11]

235 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:38:30pm

re: #228 WindUpBird

straw man

no it isn’t

(I think this is what they used to call a Mexican Stand Off)!

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:38:45pm

re: #207 albusteve

then why don’t the feds change it instead of refusing to enforce it?…do you think it’s a healthy federal policy to arbitrarily enforce some laws, but not others?

What are the feds ‘refusing to enforce’?

237 Gang of One  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:38:52pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?

It’s not genetic. The richest man in the world is a Mexican.

It’s not environmental. Southern California is a mess, but not poor, and Arizona is doing just fine.

It’s not like Mexicans aren’t hard workers or don’t want jobs.

So what is it?

Read these two books:

Distant Neighbors by Alan Riding
and
La Capital by Jonathan Kandell

238 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:38:55pm

re: #224 WindUpBird

Ever see that X-files episode? :D

“He ate an entire pie!”

FVB was on x files?

239 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:39:05pm

Off to dinner. BBL

240 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:39:37pm

re: #232 brookly red

Maybe no cure but some very effective treatment…

Like herpes?

241 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:40:10pm

re: #215 darthstar

Oh man, you’re starting on a wonderful, terrible trip!


/seriously, running outside is 1000000x better than a treadmill, especially if you have a partner

242 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:40:11pm

re: #240 Guanxi88

Like herpes?

ewww

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:40:23pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

no it isn’t

(I think this is what they used to call a Mexican Stand Off)!

it absolutely is, you’re attacking things SFZ didn’t say, taking the argument into absurd territory

It is a textbook straw man

244 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:40:34pm

re: #240 Guanxi88

Like herpes?

This is not time for personal anecdotes
/

245 Nimed  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:40:54pm

re: #224 WindUpBird

Ever see that X-files episode? :D

“He ate an entire pie!”

bleep

246 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:41:04pm

re: #207 albusteve

then why don’t the feds change it instead of refusing to enforce it?…do you think it’s a healthy federal policy to arbitrarily enforce some laws, but not others?

All laws are arbitratily enforced, just ask a black guy in a Texas jail

247 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:41:13pm

re: #190 WindUpBird

Your perception is not reality

Thanks for reading.

248 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:41:14pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

This is not time for personal anecdotes
/

Sorry, Hillary’s outta town, writing letters to Kim Jong-Il, and so……

249 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:41:34pm

re: #247 Spare O’Lake

Thanks for reading.

I read! I just don’t get where it’s coming from :D

250 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:41:39pm

re: #246 WindUpBird

you forgot:

“Try these Nuts!”

251 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:41:42pm

re: #243 WindUpBird

it absolutely is, you’re attacking things SFZ didn’t say, taking the argument into absurd territory

It is a textbook straw man

No it isn’t. In that LEGALS cross at the border crossing and a very few ILLEGALS try too, in that ILLEGALS cross where there are NOT border crossings and LEGALS NEVER do, then why have the official crossings

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:41:45pm

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m inclined to agree… but do we not try?

You can’t really have a country without borders? Or am I just silly?

Don’t answer that question.

I didn’t say don’t improve, don’t work on, don’t enforce to the best of our ability. We can do a lot better.

But the fantasy that somehow this is something that can be ‘done’ once and for all, we can ‘seal the borders’, and ‘enforce the law’ and this will all be OK and no longer a problem, is just that. A fantasy.

253 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:41:53pm

re: #246 WindUpBird

All laws are arbitratily enforced, just ask a black guy in a Texas jail

and you know many such?

254 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:42:33pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

For those not hep:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

[9] Bathers in the region are, however, warned not to urinate while swimming, out of concern that the expansion of the urethra during urination will allow the fish to enter the otherwise closed orifice.[8]


It is every kids nightmare of what might happen swimming in that lake your dad says is fine, but you think looks mighty iffy….

255 darthstar  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:42:39pm

re: #241 windsagio

Oh man, you’re starting on a wonderful, terrible trip!

/seriously, running outside is 1000000x better than a treadmill, especially if you have a partner

I try to jog with the dogs at least two or three times a week already, though they really need it every day (and twice a day would be even better if I could be disciplined enough to do that). I usually do the long loop double back in about 20 minutes or so, so I’m actually probably going to be okay in the plate to plate run.

256 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:42:39pm

re: #246 WindUpBird

All laws are arbitratily enforced, just ask a black guy in a Texas jail

wow ,, talk about STRAW MAN

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:42:42pm

re: #215 darthstar

“My grandmother started walking three miles a day when she was 60. Now, she’s 97 and we don’t know where the hell she is!”
-Ellen DeGenerous

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:42:43pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

so just ,,, fuggid!?

Get rid of the border crossing stations?

Please see #252.

259 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:42:50pm

re: #253 brookly red

Oops I forgot, institutional racism is a myth!

260 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:43:02pm

re: #253 brookly red

and you know many such?

I was inside, man

And then I escaped through the sewer after I was cast down with the sodomites oh hold on that was Shawshank Redemption

261 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:43:06pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

What are the feds ‘refusing to enforce’?

not gonna play…seems to me you should be disputing these troops and the $500m as a waste of money and effort, if indeed there is no fix, and I have not heard you do that

262 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:43:24pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

Please see #252.

did and updinged
Sorry, I was just going by your other post

263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:43:33pm

re: #256 sattv4u2

wow ,, talk about STRAW MAN

You don’t agree that all laws are arbitraily enforced?

Ever driven a car?

264 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:43:46pm

re: #246 WindUpBird

All laws are arbitratily enforced, just ask a black guy in a Texas jail

straw man

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:43:46pm

re: #240 Guanxi88

Like herpes?

Not a bad analogy. The border has herpes.

266 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:44:21pm

re: #253 brookly red

and you know many such?

I do seem to recall a case here in Texas, where someone or other in local LE more or less got a sizable portion of one town’s Black population indicted and such on purely fabricated evidence in order to boost his own climb through the local ranks. Can’t recall the town’s name, but it was quite a scandal; the accused, too poor to afford good counsel, were encouraged to cop pleas to lesser charges.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:44:22pm

Albusteve? Does NM have the same problem? If not? Do you have any idea why not?

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:44:30pm

re: #259 windsagio

Oops I forgot, institutional racism is a myth!

Remember, i need to KNOW A BLACK MAN IN JAIL before I can comment on it :D

269 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:45:18pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

so just ,,, fuggid!?

Get rid of the border crossing stations?

Then how would I get to go have seafood and shop?

270 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:45:44pm

re: #266 Guanxi88

I do seem to recall a case here in Texas, where someone or other in local LE more or less got a sizable portion of one town’s Black population indicted and such on purely fabricated evidence in order to boost his own climb through the local ranks. Can’t recall the town’s name, but it was quite a scandal; the accused, too poor to afford good counsel, were encouraged to cop pleas to lesser charges.

that should be a hanging offense… and it happens in the north too.

271 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:45:54pm

re: #241 windsagio

Oh man, you’re starting on a wonderful, terrible trip!

/seriously, running outside is 1000000x better than a treadmill, especially if you have a partner

I tried walking outside a few months ago and the first thing I did was twist my ankle and fall on my knee.
I sat in the middle of the road crying for a min trying to get up and remembered I had my cell phone so I called my neighbor (not the crazy one he won’t give us his phone number) to come help me up.
Yes, I was the old lady who had fallen and could not get up.

No walking outside for me.

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:46:11pm

re: #264 albusteve

straw man

do you also not agree that all laws are arbitratily enforced?

Speeding laws, zoning laws, drug posession laws

Hell, I’ve been let go for speeding a dozen times with a warning. The very definition of arbitrary.

273 Fozzie Bear  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:46:14pm

re: #256 sattv4u2

wow ,, talk about STRAW MAN

re: #264 albusteve

straw man


The words you are searching for are “perfect example of a principle in action”.

Racism in law enforcement and prosecutorial discretion is well documented, widespread, and appalling.

274 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:46:25pm

re: #270 brookly red

that should be a hanging offense… and it happens in the north too.

It happens far more in the south

275 darthstar  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:46:42pm

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“My grandmother started walking three miles a day when she was 60. Now, she’s 97 and we don’t know where the hell she is!”
-Ellen DeGenerous

Heh…my grandmother used to walk a couple miles a day into her 80s…she’d “steal” persimmons from the yard of one of the yards on her walk and make the best cookies with them (that recipe I’ll share in LGF Cookbook 3). At her funeral, the people who owned the persimmon tree came and talked about how sweet they thought it was that she’d only take the ones off the ground or low hanging ones about to fall…but as they knew it was an adventure for her, they’d just watch and pretend they didn’t know she was doing it. And being a freakin’ devout catholic, she’d confess it to the priest the following Sunday.

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:46:55pm

re: #273 Fozzie Bear

The words you are searching for are “perfect example of a principle in action”.

Racism in law enforcement and prosecutorial discretion is well documented, widespread, and appalling.

There’s a lot of push back on me bringing up institutional racism!

277 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:47:09pm

re: #272 WindUpBird

Whats the rule? Hispanic with an old car, or black with a new car?

278 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:47:15pm

re: #266 Guanxi88

I do seem to recall a case here in Texas, where someone or other in local LE more or less got a sizable portion of one town’s Black population indicted and such on purely fabricated evidence in order to boost his own climb through the local ranks. Can’t recall the town’s name, but it was quite a scandal; the accused, too poor to afford good counsel, were encouraged to cop pleas to lesser charges.

re: #270 brookly red

that should be a hanging offense… and it happens in the north too.

Tulia, that was the name of the town:

[Link: www.naacpldf.org…]

Tulia, a poor, rural town located in the Texas panhandle, was the target of a drug “sting” that resulted in the arrest of more than ten percent of its tiny African-American community.

On July 23, 1999, more than ten percent of Tulia’s African-American population was arrested as a result of a drug “sting” conducted by a lone police officer with a troubled history in law enforcement. Swisher County deputy sheriff Tom Coleman alleged that 46 Tulia residents sold him drugs. Forty of those arrested are African-American. Three others are Mexican. The remaining three are white, but had biracial children, or marital ties to the African-American community.

279 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:47:34pm

re: #274 WindUpBird

It happens far more in the south

you would be surprised…

280 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:47:49pm

“Straw man” is actually a specific logical fallacy. Wiki it! It’s not just an insult you level at a guy. :D

281 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:48:11pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Albusteve? Does NM have the same problem? If not? Do you have any idea why not?

we do not have this level of infiltration, partly because of the geography but mostly because illegals are frowned upon by the Hispanic community here…New Mexicans are very proud of their struggles to get here legally and bring their families in legally, a 160 year old tradition….fence jumpers and line cutters are very much not welcome here

282 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:48:12pm

re: #279 brookly red

you would be surprised…

I would be extremely, wildly, completely surprised.

Because it doesn’t.

283 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:48:30pm

re: #274 WindUpBird

It happens far more in the south

I’d need to see stats on that, and I’ve supervised lots of black guys in Alabama jail. (The shiny sunglasses really help.)

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:48:31pm

re: #268 WindUpBird

Remember, i need to KNOW A BLACK MAN IN JAIL before I can comment on it :D

I went to penitentiary one time, not me personally, but me and Gene went there for a movie. “Arizona State Penitentiary” Population: 90 percent black people. But there are no black people in Arizona, they have to bus motherfuckers in!
-Richard Pryor

285 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:48:45pm

re: #277 windsagio

Whats the rule? Hispanic with an old car, or black with a new car?

Shh! It doesn’t happen!

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:48:52pm

re: #261 albusteve

not gonna play…seems to me you should be disputing these troops and the $500m as a waste of money and effort, if indeed there is no fix, and I have not heard you do that

You’re ‘not gonna play’ because there’s no answer. The Feds have not been ‘arbitrarily’ not enforcing the law, they just haven’t produced best results.

I don’t know if this is a good expenditure of money and manpower or not, I want to read more about it. It might improve the situation in a variety of ways.

287 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:48:53pm

re: #269 Stanley Sea

Then how would I get to go have seafood and shop?

You wouldn;t have to worry about it

You could transport live chickens from Mexico under your arms. You could come across the border with a bag of 3 week old sea bass to sell in YOUR seafood shop in San Diego. Nobody would be there to check/ care

You could transport 13 year old Mexicam girls in your VW Van all the way from Tijuana to NYC for the sex industry!

Good Times For All!!

288 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:49:17pm

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I went to penitentiary one time, not me personally, but me and Gene went there for a movie. “Arizona State Penitentiary” Population: 90 percent black people. But there are no black people in Arizona, they have to bus motherfuckers in!
-Richard Pryor

You sir, are awesome :D

And God Bless Richard Pryor. One of the greatest comedians of all time.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:49:43pm

re: #266 Guanxi88

I do seem to recall a case here in Texas, where someone or other in local LE more or less got a sizable portion of one town’s Black population indicted and such on purely fabricated evidence in order to boost his own climb through the local ranks. Can’t recall the town’s name, but it was quite a scandal; the accused, too poor to afford good counsel, were encouraged to cop pleas to lesser charges.

Tulia. Bob Herbert covered it extensively.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:49:45pm

re: #281 albusteve

Thanks.

291 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:49:52pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

I’d need to see stats on that, and I’ve supervised lots of black guys in Alabama jail. (The shiny sunglasses really help.)

I suppose the SPLC would probably help you out in that regard!

292 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:51:11pm

re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist

You’re ‘not gonna play’ because there’s no answer. The Feds have not been ‘arbitrarily’ not enforcing the law, they just haven’t produced best results.

I don’t know if this is a good expenditure of money and manpower or not, I want to read more about it. It might improve the situation in a variety of ways.

so you think AZ pulled this law out of their ass for no reason, regardless of all the press it’s gotten?

293 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:51:43pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?

It’s not genetic. The richest man in the world is a Mexican.

It’s not environmental. Southern California is a mess, but not poor, and Arizona is doing just fine.

It’s not like Mexicans aren’t hard workers or don’t want jobs.

So what is it?

I have heard it described in terms of their colonial heritage: Spain was just into exploiting its colonies for maximal gain, Britain was into building stable, enduring outposts.

Another clarification came from a Mexican-American colleague of mine who joked, “It’s bad enough you Gringos stole half our country in 1848. But you had to take the half with all the paved roads!”

294 Guanxi88  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:51:59pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

Tulia. Bob Herbert covered it extensively.

Yeah, the gypsy cop sounds exactly like a modern version of the old-time witch-hunters. Got paid to find drug trafficking, and so found it everywhere he went.

295 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:52:14pm

re: #215 darthstar

I’m fuckin’ beat…I signed up for a 5K run on June 12 and decided today would be a good day to see if I could run 5k on the treadmill…I did…just. Had to walk about 3/4 of a mile of it in between a mile run and a 3/4 mile run…my time is pathetic, but hey, it’s real so here it is. 35:12. 7min/km…I guess that’s better than dropping dead in the gym half way through…but boy are my dogs in for a treat…no more ‘I don’t feel like jogging this morning’ excuses for two weeks…it’s “long loop double back” every day (I have a short loop and a long loop I take them on on our hill(we’re at 1500 feet)…the long loop with a double-back comes out to 2 miles…I figure that’s a good training distance for the first week, then a long loop double-back with a short loop to bring me to three miles the last four days, and I should be good to go for 5k at sea level.

I suppose if I really wanted to train I could go shack up with Walter at 8200 feet, but if running at that altitude didn’t kill me, he probably would. ;)

good for you…i hate running. i can chase a little green ball for hours, but after five minutes of running i’m bored and whiny…

296 Nimed  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:52:14pm

re: #256 sattv4u2

wow ,, talk about STRAW MAN

re: #264 albusteve

straw man

Hm? WUP didn’t attribute to you a position you don’t hold.

297 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:52:26pm

re: #292 albusteve

so you think AZ pulled this law out of their ass for no reason, regardless of all the press it’s gotten?

The ones who made the AZ law did it to obtain or retain political power. That is all.

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:52:28pm

re: #293 ralphieboy

That is such a great quote.

299 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:53:59pm

re: #282 WindUpBird

I would be extremely, wildly, completely surprised.

Because it doesn’t.

check dis mutha out
[Link: www.allbusiness.com…]

300 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:54:11pm

re: #291 WindUpBird

I’ll check their archives. You could be right, but I’d guess it’s a toss-up.

301 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:54:31pm

re: #249 WindUpBird

I read! I just don’t get where it’s coming from :D

Just hum along if you can’t learn the words.

302 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:54:46pm

Assholes.

Ailing Sept. 11 responders don’t deserve a permanent, guaranteed program to ensure they get health care, and giving it to them could wreck the country, Republicans in Congress argued today.

Calling the Sept. 11 Health and Compensation Act a new “entitlement program” like Medicare, members of the GOP on the House Energy and Commerce Committee argued the nation already has too much that it must pay for, and making the care of tens of thousands of 9/11 responders mandatory was too much of a burden.

“By making this a new mandatory program, you jeopardize the financial health of the United States of America,” said Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.).

Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

303 _RememberTonyC  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:54:54pm

I think President Obama made a smart decision to send the National Guard to help the Arizona situation. Although the folks in AZ have taken a lot of heat over the 1070 law, I have always felt that if they overreacted, it might have been because they felt somewhat abandoned and “on their own” with the problems they face. So by offering concrete support for the folks in AZ, the President is showing them they are NOT on their own. And that will go a long way.

304 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:55:42pm

re: #296 Nimed

Hm? WUP didn’t attribute to you a position you don’t hold.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I don’t think I “hold” that we should get rid of border crossings

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:55:50pm

re: #303 _RememberTonyC

Nice.

OT? The Magic shocked me last night. Came to play, no doubt.

306 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:56:01pm

re: #297 wrenchwench

The ones who made the AZ law did it to obtain or retain political power. That is all.

And to forward their racist beliefs. (Kobach)

307 darthstar  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:56:13pm

meeting time…feh.

308 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:56:47pm

re: #302 webevintage

so this proposal is ONLY going to cover those responders, and will expire when they do?

just asking before i check…i have a feeling…

309 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:56:56pm

re: #297 wrenchwench

The ones who made the AZ law did it to obtain or retain political power. That is all.

Imagine the nerve of some politicains actually listening to their constituents

THE BASTARDS!

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:56:58pm

Gotta run. Gotta go see a man about a kitchen.

Don’t drive like my brother.

311 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:57:12pm

re: #303 _RememberTonyC

I think President Obama made a smart decision to send the National Guard to help the Arizona situation. Although the folks in AZ have taken a lot of heat over the 1070 law, I have always felt that if they overreacted, it might have been because they felt somewhat abandoned and “on their own” with the problems they face. So by offering concrete support for the folks in AZ, the President is showing them they are NOT on their own. And that will go a long way.

Required response to any post like this.

If they felt ‘abandoned’ its because they weren’t paying attention to what was being done.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:57:17pm

re: #281 albusteve

we do not have this level of infiltration, partly because of the geography but mostly because illegals are frowned upon by the Hispanic community here…New Mexicans are very proud of their struggles to get here legally and bring their families in legally, a 160 year old tradition…fence jumpers and line cutters are very much not welcome here

Didn’t many New Mexicans just stay still and let the border move over them?

313 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:57:59pm

re: #309 sattv4u2

Imagine the nerve of some politicains actually listening to their white constituents

THE BASTARDS!


FTFY

314 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:58:01pm

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice.

OT? The Magic shocked me last night. Came to play, no doubt.

Dwight got away with a flagrant…he popped KG in the face.

315 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:58:24pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gotta run. Gotta go see a man about a kitchen.

Don’t drive like my brother.

Couldn’t you just mail him your drawings?

316 KingKenrod  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:58:57pm

re: #308 Aceofwhat?

so this proposal is ONLY going to cover those responders, and will expire when they do?

just asking before i check…i have a feeling…

Yes…$11 billion over 3 decades is the cost of the proposal. The GOP wants a program that is renewed annually.

317 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:59:09pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Could someone please explain to me what the difference between Mexico and the US is that the disparity should be so huge?

It’s not genetic. The richest man in the world is a Mexican.

It’s not environmental. Southern California is a mess, but not poor, and Arizona is doing just fine.

It’s not like Mexicans aren’t hard workers or don’t want jobs.

So what is it?

Believe it or not, we have an excellent government, founded by excellent men, based on excellent principles, and carried forward by dedicated, excellent employees like our own Reine.

It can use work, sure, but our government is one of the best in the world.

318 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:59:14pm

re: #309 sattv4u2

Imagine the nerve of some politicains actually listening to their constituents

THE BASTARDS!

/words, just words…

319 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:59:36pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn’t many New Mexicans just stay still and let the border move over them?

That’s also true of many Californians, Arizonans, and others, although VD Hanson made fun of the notion in his book Mexifornia.

320 webevintage  Tue, May 25, 2010 2:59:47pm

re: #308 Aceofwhat?

so this proposal is ONLY going to cover those responders, and will expire when they do?

just asking before i check…i have a feeling…

The whole debate over whether the program should be mandatory or an annual discretionary program misses the point, said Rep. Anthony Weiner, saying it was Congress’ obligation to help the people who answered the call almost nine years ago. And, he noted, the health fund could not be an endless and growing entitlement like Medicare.

“There’s a finite number of people,” Weiner said. “That finite number of people is getting smaller and smaller every day because they’re dying.”

321 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:00:00pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

FTFY

re: #313 wrenchwench

FTFY


And many Latinos there support it

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

322 _RememberTonyC  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:00:01pm

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice.

OT? The Magic shocked me last night. Came to play, no doubt.

thanks …… but I’m just another wingnut from the extreme right with very little to offer my intellectual superiors on the left/

Orlando has an excellent chance to take game 5 tomorrow and send it back to Boston for game 6. They looked like a loose team playing with pride and professionalism last evening. Boston will not let this go beyond 6 games. But Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson will both “bring it” tomorrow. Vince Carter? Not so much!

323 recusancy  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:00:10pm

re: #317 Obdicut

Believe it or not, we have an excellent government, founded by excellent men, based on excellent principles, and carried forward by dedicated, excellent employees like our own Reine.

It can use work, sure, but our government is one of the best in the world.

And Republicans want to drowned it in a bathtub.

324 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:00:13pm

re: #303 _RememberTonyC

I think President Obama made a smart decision to send the National Guard to help the Arizona situation. Although the folks in AZ have taken a lot of heat over the 1070 law, I have always felt that if they overreacted, it might have been because they felt somewhat abandoned and “on their own” with the problems they face. So by offering concrete support for the folks in AZ, the President is showing them they are NOT on their own. And that will go a long way.


When a three-year-old cannot get enough attention from its parents, it hits the baby, provoking a lot of yelling, but getting a response.

When Arizona failed to get a federal response to its illegal immigration problems (most of which stem from drug runners and gangs), it passed a law picking on the poor job-seekers.

It got a lot of bad press, but it got a respnse.

325 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:00:42pm

re: #323 recusancy

In fairness, only some of them wanna do that >>

326 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:00:46pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn’t many New Mexicans just stay still and let the border move over them?

territorial New Mexicans were offered citizenship after the Mexican War, most taking the offer…there was no penalty for refusing….most Hispanos didn’t give a crap about Mexico anyway….they were always New Mexicans

327 Nimed  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:00:46pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I don’t think I “hold” that we should get rid of border crossings

He did it too!

328 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:00:56pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

re: #321 sattv4u2

And many Latinos there support it

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

OOOPPPSSS,,,, pimf

[Link: www.npr.org…]

329 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:01:52pm

re: #317 Obdicut

Believe it or not, we have an excellent government, founded by excellent men, based on excellent principles, and carried forward by dedicated, excellent employees like our own Reine.

It can use work, sure, but our government is one of the best in the world.

Political stability is essential for economic development. Mexico tends to have a revolution every 100 years (and they’re due this year…)

330 ryannon  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:01:54pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Albusteve? Does NM have the same problem? If not? Do you have any idea why not?

They know he’s there.

331 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:02:35pm

re: #329 wrenchwench

Political stability is essential for economic development. Mexico tends to have a revolution every 100 years (and they’re due this year…)

VIVA VILLA!

332 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:02:53pm

re: #322 _RememberTonyC

thanks … but I’m just another wingnut from the extreme right with very little to offer my intellectual superiors on the left/

Orlando has an excellent chance to take game 5 tomorrow and send it back to Boston for game 6. They looked like a loose team playing with pride and professionalism last evening. Boston will not let this go beyond 6 games. But Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson will both “bring it” tomorrow. Vince Carter? Not so much!


Agreed,, The celtics last night thought that Orlando was just going to roll over. NowThe Magic will be PUMPED at home
The C’s BETTER win in 6

333 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:02:54pm

re: #326 albusteve

NM seems pretty hip about dealing with illegals.

You shouldn’t project so much >>

334 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:03:23pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

re: #321 sattv4u2

OOOPPPSSS,,, pimf

[Link: www.npr.org…]

From your link:

Twelve percent of second-generation Latino voters in the state say they support S.B. 1070, according to a recent Latino Decisions poll. That jumps to nearly 30 percent in the fourth generation.

I’d call that “some” as NPR did, I wouldn’t call it “many”.

335 ryannon  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:03:43pm

re: #277 windsagio

Whats the rule? Hispanic with an old car, or black with a new car?

Gypsies with your car.

336 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:03:50pm

re: #302 webevintage

Assholes.

Ailing Sept. 11 responders don’t deserve a permanent, guaranteed program to ensure they get health care, and giving it to them could wreck the country, Republicans in Congress argued today.

Calling the Sept. 11 Health and Compensation Act a new “entitlement program” like Medicare, members of the GOP on the House Energy and Commerce Committee argued the nation already has too much that it must pay for, and making the care of tens of thousands of 9/11 responders mandatory was too much of a burden.

“By making this a new mandatory program, you jeopardize the financial health of the United States of America,” said Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.).

Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

so the truth is that the Republicans want a yearly budgetary item, as Obama has already suggested…as opposed to not wanting to cover it at all.

your slant on this item was…creative…

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:04:04pm

re: #292 albusteve

so you think AZ pulled this law out of their ass for no reason, regardless of all the press it’s gotten?

No, I’ve been very clear about what I think this is about. It’s a largely political move, from the great tradition of the ‘git tuff on illegal immigration’ laws. I’ve seen plenty of them rise and fall. It’s a cheap and easy way to garner votes and try to create an impression of ‘accountability’. It’s also a terrible thing to do to AZ law enforcement.

338 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:04:15pm

Alex Jones is afraid of the mailman…..
U.S. Postal Service Expands Construction Of Secret Rooms

We have received documents from a military source indicating that U.S. Postal Service facilities across the country are expanding the construction of secretive criminal investigation rooms, which some fear will be used to detain American citizens in the event of a national emergency, bioterror attack or pandemic.

The documents (PDF) show architectural floor plans for criminal investigation rooms that would be housed within existing U.S. Postal Service buildings. The blueprints show “secret rooms” within post offices where, the source claims, “families will be separated” in the event of martial law being declared.

We have also previously received documents indicating that post offices would be used as detainment facilities in the event of a national emergency or a “red alert” being declared.

If all this sounds hard to believe, just remember that the same was said when we reported on how the federal government was recruiting religious leaders to pacify the public in the event of martial law being declared under the banner of the “clergy response team” program.

I can’t wait for Drudge and Glenn Beck to pick up this one.

339 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:04:22pm

re: #320 webevintage

The whole debate over whether the program should be mandatory or an annual discretionary program misses the point, said Rep. Anthony Weiner, saying it was Congress’ obligation to help the people who answered the call almost nine years ago. And, he noted, the health fund could not be an endless and growing entitlement like Medicare.

“There’s a finite number of people,” Weiner said. “That finite number of people is getting smaller and smaller every day because they’re dying.”

right. so it’s not about whether to cover them, but how.

concern troll is unconcerned.

340 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:04:25pm

re: #334 wrenchwench

I’d call that “some” as NPR did, I wouldn’t call it “many”.

Then the “some” must be, by your standards ,, racist, no?

Please explain!

341 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:04:38pm

re: #333 windsagio

So for those who ‘don’t bother to read links’, the above are 2 news stories about how much more liberally NM deals with illegal immigrants than AZ.

342 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:05:16pm

re: #336 Aceofwhat?

so the truth is that the Republicans want a yearly budgetary item, as Obama has already suggested…as opposed to not wanting to cover it at all.

your slant on this item was…creative…

Anvanced Spinnage

New course in all the best Ivy League schools

343 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:05:18pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones is afraid of the mailman…

They have his address!!!1!!1

344 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:05:35pm

re: #343 wrenchwench

They have his address!!!1!!1

lol

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:05:42pm

re: #303 _RememberTonyC

I think President Obama made a smart decision to send the National Guard to help the Arizona situation. Although the folks in AZ have taken a lot of heat over the 1070 law, I have always felt that if they overreacted, it might have been because they felt somewhat abandoned and “on their own” with the problems they face. So by offering concrete support for the folks in AZ, the President is showing them they are NOT on their own. And that will go a long way.

Pray tell, why is it the ‘Arizona situation’? These troops are not being exclusively sent to AZ. Texas can just take their chances? California?

346 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:05:52pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

Then the “some” must be, by your standards ,, racist, no?

Please explain!

Why do you say that? I didn’t.

347 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:12pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones is afraid of the mailman…
U.S. Postal Service Expands Construction Of Secret Rooms

I can’t wait for Drudge and Glenn Beck to pick up this one.

We haven’t heard about the really secret rooms.

348 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:28pm

re: #323 recusancy

And Republicans want to drowned it in a bathtub.

hurr hurr hurr

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:41pm

re: #309 sattv4u2

Imagine the nerve of some politicains actually listening to their constituents

THE BASTARDS!

When you do stupid things to calm irrational fears you yourself have promoted, it’s hard to see it as ‘listening’.

350 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48pm

re: #346 wrenchwench

Why do you say that? I didn’t.

perhaps when you fixed my post by adding and highlighting WHITE

351 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:48pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones is afraid of the mailman…
U.S. Postal Service Expands Construction Of Secret Rooms

I can’t wait for Drudge and Glenn Beck to pick up this one.

Hey I have been detained in a post office before… I got on que to buy some stamps and was there for bloody ages.

352 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:06:53pm

re: #341 windsagio

So for those who ‘don’t bother to read links’, the above are 2 news stories about how much more liberally NM deals with illegal immigrants than AZ.

Hell, we even give them drivers’ licenses! (Which I think is a bad idea, mostly.)

353 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:07:39pm

re: #319 wrenchwench

That’s also true of many Californians, Arizonans, and others, although VD Hanson made fun of the notion in his book Mexifornia.

He can make fun of anything he likes, it’s a simple fact of history.

354 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:08:08pm

re: #351 brookly red

Hey I have been detained in a post office before… I got on que to buy some stamps and was there for bloody ages.

at least I wasn’t probed though…

355 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:08:17pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

When you do stupid things to calm irrational fears you yourself have promoted, it’s hard to see it as ‘listening’.

zing

356 Virginia Plain  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:08:20pm

I don’t know if this was linked to or not, but NPR did a story a week ago about the Mexican Army and Federal Police giving favor to one drug cartel over others: Mexico Seems To Favor Sinaloa Cartel In Drug War

An NPR News investigation has found strong evidence of collusion between elements of the Mexican army and the Sinaloa cartel in the violent border city of Juarez.

Dozens of interviews with current and former law enforcement agents, organized crime experts, elected representatives, and victims of violence suggest that the Sinaloans depend on bribes to top government officials to help their leader, Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, elude capture, expand his empire and keep his operatives out of jail.

“I work in the police and because of this I know the government is protecting Chapo Guzman. It’s hitting all the cartels but Chapo,” said Luis Arturo Perez Torres, 25, until recently a federal police officer stationed in a suburb of Mexico City.

The Mexican side is useless. The US side will have to pull most of the weight.

357 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:08:24pm

re: #330 ryannon

They know he’s there.

heh…NM never had the migrant experience that CA has, then AZ after the Hover Dam was built…
for the record, I do not believe in some mass roundup and deportation exercise…one of the reasons I moved to NM was because it is the heart and soul of Hispanic culture in America, older by far and culturally richer than any other state…I am surrounded by Hispanics right here at home…I dig it…but these are old families who have been here for literally hundreds of years and consider themselves highly patriotic, for what it’s worth

358 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:08:30pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

When you do stupid things to calm irrational fears you yourself have promoted, it’s hard to see it as ‘listening’.

Yeah ,, those stupid irrational Phoenix residents promoted their own kidnappings ,, the fools!!

359 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:08:42pm

re: #347 Decatur Deb

We haven’t heard about the really secret rooms.

Shhhh!

360 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:08:53pm

OK, back to work for me. I hand my proxy to SFZ again. She covers this topic like I would if I were smarter and less snarky.

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:09:02pm

re: #323 recusancy

And Republicans want to drowned it in a bathtub.

To be fair, I don’t think the bathtub is a requirement. It could be a kiddie pool, or a planter, or a trash can filled with rainwater…

362 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:09:11pm

re: #333 windsagio

NM seems pretty hip about dealing with illegals.

You shouldn’t project so much >>

you be less judgmental

363 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:09:26pm

re: #193 reine.de.tout

OK, I watched the thing.
What they did not show are the leaks they have at various places in the crumpled riser.

As they try to kill this thing from the top into the wellhead what happens with the leaks? They will continue to leak, will they not? And how do they keep those places from leaking the mud once it gets down there? Or am I just completely confused?

There were three leaks, the smallest through the drill pipe has been capped. The leak at the top of the BOP stack - estimated at 15% of the total - is not being recovered at all. The largest leak in the riser has the Riser Insertion Tool and is capturing about 1,3000 to 2,000 per day of the estimated 5,000.

I expect they will remove the RIT during the Top Kill to avoid damaging it. Alternatively, if they leave it in place, they have another one on the sea-bed standing by. As the heavy 16.4 lb/gal mud is pumped into the BOP through the choke and kill lines, some of it will be pushed right out the top of the stack. The hope would be that the inflow will overwhelm this effect as the BOP is partly closed, with a likely 1/4” to 1/2” hole. This will lead to the remaining flow of heavy mud going the path of less resistance, down into the well.

Much mud, crude and gas will thus be released into the gulf during the operation, and all the mud will likely blow out through the leaks should the well’s pressure not be overcome. Should this fail, the leak will likely be much worse and it is time to cut off the riser completely and try the containment dome.

That is a best case failure, should the top kill attempt cause a much larger blow-out by destroying bits now intact, we will have a much larger leak and only the relief wells to look forward to. Or perhaps a Hot Kill attempt nearer to the surface.

Alternatively if it works, the hydrostatic weight of the column of mud will hold down the oil, and be adjusted to be essential balanced. (The water at this depth is providing over 2,225 psi force)

Once balanced, they can proceed with cementing it in permanently without mud escaping into the gulf. Note: they will have mud escaping into the reservoir until they find the correct weight.

364 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:09:53pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

perhaps when you fixed my post by adding and highlighting WHITE

There’s backup for that in the statistics.

365 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:10:16pm

re: #347 Decatur Deb

We haven’t heard about the really secret rooms.

double super secret probation?

366 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:10:49pm

re: #362 albusteve

+ for embracing ebonics. I’m impressed with your interest in cultural diversity!

367 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:10:58pm

Well slap my ass and call me Judy.

Did Dubya ever do anything like this during his reign?

Will RedState or Free Republic praise the President for this bold, completely non-PC action?

Do I hear crickets?

368 _RememberTonyC  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:11:04pm

re: #311 windsagio

Required response to any post like this.

If they felt ‘abandoned’ its because they weren’t paying attention to what was being done.

while some measures were clearly being taken, maybe not enough effective measures were being taken. I don’t believe 60% of Arizonans simply wanted to bust the stones of all immigrants from Mexico. Those who believe that Arizona’s citizens had that as their motivation are oversimplifying a complicated problem. The violence and kidnappings on the border and in Phoenix would certainly scare most of us if we had to deal with it in our backyard. And we might overreact if we felt our own government was not doing enough to help. This is a serious issue of national security that some are using for political gain. And both sides of the aisle have tried to exploit it. So now that the President is making this move, I think better days may be ahead.

369 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:11:16pm

Historical note: the US offered to buy California and New Mexico for $25 million. Mexico declined the offer, the US invaded and annexed California, New Mexico and Arizona.

But they did pay $15 million in compensation.

Later, when the US was planning the route for the Southern Pacific railroad, they needed the territory south of the Gila River, which was still part of Mexico. They offered $8 million for the Gadsen Purchase.

Mexico accepted the offer, and we got Tucson.

370 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:11:22pm

Scooting

The dogs are barking

Means they/re either
1)hungry
2)want out
3)see something outside (for McDuff it could be a leaf blowing by)
know who/ what’s walking by (Einstien knows the neighbors well)

In any case ,,, Scootin’

371 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:11:33pm

re: #356 Virginia Plain

I don’t know if this was linked to or not, but NPR did a story a week ago about the Mexican Army and Federal Police giving favor to one drug cartel over others: Mexico Seems To Favor Sinaloa Cartel In Drug War

The Mexican side is useless. The US side will have to pull most of the weight.

Well… that’s a bunch of shit and sinaloa.. huh?

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:11:43pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones is afraid of the mailman…
U.S. Postal Service Expands Construction Of Secret Rooms


I can’t wait for Drudge and Glenn Beck to pick up this one.

‘Received documents’, I take it, means ‘got paranoid e-mail from J.B.E. in Encino’?

373 ryannon  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:12:12pm

re: #357 albusteve

heh…NM never had the migrant experience that CA has, then AZ after the Hover Dam was built…
for the record, I do not believe in some mass roundup and deportation exercise…one of the reasons I moved to NM was because it is the heart and soul of Hispanic culture in America, older by far and culturally richer than any other state…I am surrounded by Hispanics right here at home…I dig it…but these are old families who have been here for literally hundreds of years and consider themselves highly patriotic, for what it’s worth

I once knew a guy who married into one of those old Taos or Santa Fe families (I can’t remember which). It was like marrying into a dynasty.

374 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:12:44pm

re: #368 _RememberTonyC

You just can’t say ‘the Fed Government is leaving them to their own devices’ or ‘abandoned them’.

Since you’ve modified that position, we have no issue >

375 Renaissance_Man  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:13:04pm

Well finally! After days of harping about the Pauls and the loony far right, LGF finally has a thread about the crazy excesses of the far left! I’m sure vinnievin is ecstatic now.

376 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:13:14pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

There’s backup for that in the statistics.

{sigh},, yeah ,, just ignore all those racist Latinos that support it,,

377 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:13:33pm

re: #374 windsagio

You just can’t say ‘the Fed Government is leaving them to their own devices’ or ‘abandoned them’.

Since you’ve modified that position, we have no issue >


The federal government failed to take steps to address the problem of illegal immigration and border control.

378 _RememberTonyC  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:13:36pm

re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist

Pray tell, why is it the ‘Arizona situation’? These troops are not being exclusively sent to AZ. Texas can just take their chances? California?

Arizona is a big part of it, but yes, there are other border states involved as well.

379 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:14:06pm

so if provinces in Mexico were to petition congress for statehood then oh never mind.

380 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:14:32pm

re: #291 WindUpBird

I suppose the SPLC would probably help you out in that regard!

Didn’t have much showing at the SPLC. It’s more up the line of the Innocence Project, but it would be hard to do the baseline from their relatively small numbers.

[Link: www.innocenceproject.org…]

381 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:14:44pm

re: #366 windsagio

+ for embracing ebonics. I’m impressed with your interest in cultural diversity!

I don’t know, the partial sentence didn’t end with an “aight?”

Hence, “you be less judgmental, aight?”

382 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:14:45pm

re: #377 ralphieboy

The federal government failed to take steps to address the problem of illegal immigration and border control.

Oh c’mon, at least read.

383 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:14:51pm

re: #377 ralphieboy

The federal government failed to take steps to address the problem of illegal immigration and border control.

and it goes back decades,. since Reagans “one time” amnesty, iirc

384 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:15:36pm

re: #366 windsagio

+ for embracing ebonics. I’m impressed with your interest in cultural diversity!

You say that to a man who you know little about and whose direct experience with “cultural diversity” you will likely never approach.

385 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:16:39pm

re: #382 windsagio

Oh c’mon, at least read.

No kidding… read all that the Border Patrol did in 2008… Bush was really pushing these guys.

386 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:16:40pm

re: #373 ryannon

I once knew a guy who married into one of those old Taos or Santa Fe families (I can’t remember which). It was like marrying into a dynasty.

yes, they are still here….direct descendants of the Spanish especially around Espanola, just north of Santa Fe….the oldest part of the state in that regard

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:16:48pm

re: #358 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, those stupid irrational Phoenix residents promoted their own kidnappings ,, the fools!!

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]

I know that you really don’t want to hear this, but I’m not saying that there is no crime linked to the drug wars. However, I am saying that I have long familiarity with the way voter fear gets whipped up to pass laws like these.

If you read the article you linked, you will note that these kidnappings are primarily within the drug world itself, so it is hard to imagine how people who have managed to avoid being arrested for, I dunno, KIDNAPPING AND DRUG DEALING, are doing to be undone by SB 1070.

388 _RememberTonyC  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:17:02pm

re: #374 windsagio

You just can’t say ‘the Fed Government is leaving them to their own devices’ or ‘abandoned them’.

Since you’ve modified that position, we have no issue >

i didn’t think we had an issue before …

389 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:17:08pm

re: #379 brookly red

so if provinces in Mexico were to petition congress for statehood then oh never mind.

United States of the World!

390 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:17:35pm

re: #385 Walter L. Newton

It doesn’t matter who did it man :p The point is that ‘the Fed gov’t did nothing’ is a ludicrous lie.

391 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:17:36pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

Those pesky facts. Tsk tsk.

392 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:17:44pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

and it goes back decades,. since Reagans “one time” amnesty, iirc


I remember reading that, and my post was perhaps poorly phrased: the federal government’s response did not adequately address the problems of illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

393 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:17:52pm

re: #384 Bagua

Modify your humordar :D

394 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:18:08pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

There’s backup for that in the statistics.

But if a single Latino voted for it, you see, we can’t argue there was any racist rhetoric or intent attached to it in any way. So we go around, and around, and around…

395 lostlakehiker  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:18:23pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones is afraid of the mailman…
U.S. Postal Service Expands Construction Of Secret Rooms

I can’t wait for Drudge and Glenn Beck to pick up this one.

Well heck, in the event of a national emergency, every federal building should be used in whatever capacity it is most needed.

But what really impresses me is how the federal government can fit secret rooms into buildings where millions of people go in and out all the time. Must be those extra dimensions them physics types have been researching.

396 bosforus  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:18:26pm
Obama Orders National Guard to Mexican Border

Thank you, Obama!

397 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:18:39pm

re: #390 windsagio

It doesn’t matter who did it man :p The point is that ‘the Fed gov’t did nothing’ is a ludicrous lie.

When did I ever say that?

398 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:19:19pm

re: #393 windsagio

Modify your humordar :D

How so? ~*~

399 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:19:19pm

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

When did I ever say that?

The people I was responding to did >>

PS: How you been walter?

400 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:19:51pm

re: #376 sattv4u2

{sigh},, yeah ,, just ignore all those racist Latinos that support it,,

I do not think ANYONE who favors this bill is a racist. The guy that wrote it, yes. But I personally know at least one Hispanic who favors it, and he is not a racist.

Misguided, but not a racist.

401 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:19:52pm

re: #385 Walter L. Newton

No kidding… read all that the Border Patrol did in 2008… Bush was really pushing these guys.


The scary part was that Bush’s immigration reform´plan, which was a reasonable combination of carrot and stick, did not find resonance within his own party.

402 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:20:01pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

United States of the World!

Probably no longer useful in a global economy.

403 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:20:16pm

re: #399 windsagio

The people I was responding to did >>

PS: How you been walter?

Don’t try to suck up to me now…

404 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:20:32pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

I know that you really don’t want to hear this

I respect and enjoy talking and debating with you. Please don’t patronize me

I have long familiarity with the way voter fear gets whipped up to pass laws like these

I have been politcally active for decades, bith back in Massachusetts as well as here in Georgia. I know how it works from both sides as well as the middle

405 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:20:46pm

re: #377 ralphieboy

The federal government failed to take steps to address the problem of illegal immigration and border control.

Untrue. You can say they took ineffective steps, or insufficient steps, but they’ve definitely been taking steps.

How far does that fence extend again?

406 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:20:59pm

re: #370 sattv4u2

Scooting

The dogs are barking

Means they/re either
1)hungry
2)want out
3)see something outside (for McDuff it could be a leaf blowing by)
know who/ what’s walking by (Einstien knows the neighbors well)

In any case ,,, Scootin’

re: #360 wrenchwench

OK, back to work for me. I hand my proxy to SFZ again. She covers this topic like I would if I were smarter and less snarky.

And now we’re both gone, right?

407 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:21:15pm

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

Hey ,, how are you going to survive now that LOST is no more!??!

408 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:21:18pm

re: #378 _RememberTonyC

Arizona is a big part of it, but yes, there are other border states involved as well.

Can you explain to me why Arizona is a bigger part of it than Texas, or California?

409 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:21:29pm

re: #398 Bagua

Talking about ‘ebonics’ might be a funny way to handle him leaving out a word. Certainly better than flaring up and getting all pissy, no?

410 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:22:22pm

re: #405 SanFranciscoZionist

Untrue. You can say they took ineffective steps, or insufficient steps, but they’ve definitely been taking steps.

How far does that fence extend again?


Lemme rephrase that, then: I remember reading that, and my post was perhaps poorly phrased: the federal government’s response did not adequately solve the growing problems of illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

411 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:22:45pm

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

Did you see my post?
LOST numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 meaning revealed.

Based upon the Bagua ending you clued me in to.

412 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:23:15pm

re: #406 wrenchwench

And now we’re both gone, right?


Every time I try to get out,,,,,,

413 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:23:19pm

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

we can do both :P

414 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:24:19pm

re: #405 SanFranciscoZionist

Untrue. You can say they took ineffective steps, or insufficient steps, but they’ve definitely been taking steps.

How far does that fence extend again?

after around 400 out of 700m it has stalled, but that’s 400m of reduced resources and manpower…oh wait!…that’s right, they carry really long ladders across the desert with them…a fence won’t work, remember?

415 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:24:23pm

re: #411 Bagua

Did you see my post?
LOST numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 meaning revealed.

Based upon the Bagua ending you clued me in to.


Maybe all those illegals are just in purgatory awaiting redemption. Perhaps a few well-placed nukes would straighten out the electromagnetic imbalance…

(I never saw a single episode of “Lost”, but that is how a friend explained the end of the series to me)

/

416 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:24:49pm

re: #404 sattv4u2

I know that you really don’t want to hear this

I respect and enjoy talking and debating with you. Please don’t patronize me

I have long familiarity with the way voter fear gets whipped up to pass laws like these

I have been politcally active for decades, bith back in Massachusetts as well as here in Georgia. I know how it works from both sides as well as the middle

So, do you understand my skepticism about the kidnapping thing, especially as it appears to be the only area in which AZ can claim any ‘superiority’ in terms of victimhood?

417 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:25:26pm

re: #414 albusteve

after around 400 out of 700m it has stalled, but that’s 400m of reduced resources and manpower…oh wait!…that’s right, they carry really long ladders across the desert with them…a fence won’t work, remember?


Basic rule of military emplacments: barbed wire and miefields are ineffective unless covered by fields of fire…

418 lostlakehiker  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:25:46pm

re: #272 WindUpBird

do you also not agree that all laws are arbitratily enforced?

Speeding laws, zoning laws, drug posession laws

Hell, I’ve been let go for speeding a dozen times with a warning. The very definition of arbitrary.

That’s not what I see. The laws seem to be enforced with stern regularity. The only exception would be an occasional bit of mercy when it comes to the most minor of infractions on a bicycle.

419 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:25:52pm

re: #405 SanFranciscoZionist

Untrue. You can say they took ineffective steps, or insufficient steps, but they’ve definitely been taking steps.

How far does that fence extend again?

Could you imagine if the Feds actually built a fence, a real security fence. Heck, maybe even a wall! Yeah, a wall with guards and check points.

0.o

Sound familiar?

OMG. It would drive the pro-Pali crowd bonkers!

420 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:26:41pm

re: #409 windsagio

Talking about ‘ebonics’ might be a funny way to handle him leaving out a word. Certainly better than flaring up and getting all pissy, no?

The way you phrased it sounds like you are suggesting Steve may lack an appreciation for diversity or some sort of cultural or ethnic bias. That would be an absurd suggestion. Correct me if I’m wrong. &~~!

421 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:26:47pm

re: #399 windsagio

The people I was responding to did >>

PS: How you been walter?

I’,m fine… been a little busy this week… the store gave me a total of 35 hours this week, about 15 more than normal… holiday coming up and people with seniority cashing out personal time off… originally had Mon/Tues/Thur. off this week, but even went in yesterday for cover a 5 1/1 hour shift.

I’m sitting here right now putting a jump ring on a very nice teardrop shaped pendant of Leopard Skin Jasper I cut and polished last week, just mounted the stone this morning… Leopard Skin Jasper is on of the many different orbicular jaspers that come from Madagascar… really neat stone.

422 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:27:15pm

re: #419 eclectic infidel

Could you imagine if the Feds actually built a fence, a real security fence. Heck, maybe even a wall! Yeah, a wall with guards and check points.

0.o

Sound familiar?

OMG. It would drive the pro-Pali crowd bonkers!


What did they do with old East German border? Maybe bits of it are still in storage somewhere in Leipzig, we could just import it and install it on the spot, guard dogs and all.

423 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:27:46pm

re: #417 ralphieboy

Basic rule of military emplacments: barbed wire and miefields are ineffective unless covered by fields of fire…

Par 4-8, FM 5-34.

424 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:27:49pm

re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist

So, do you understand my skepticism about the kidnapping thing, especially as it appears to be the only area in which AZ can claim any ‘superiority’ in terms of victimhood?

I’ve never seen Arizona try to claim “superiority” in any phase of this

I do see them attempting to solve a problem in their state. I’m sure they wish that
A) there wasn’t a problem
B) if there is a problem it’s minor in their state as opposed to other

425 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:27:55pm

re: #420 Bagua

The way you phrased it sounds like you are suggesting Steve may lack an appreciation for diversity or some sort of cultural or ethnic bias. That would be an absurd suggestion. Correct me if I’m wrong. &~~!

To be honest that would have been a good dig.

Unfortunately I didn’t think of it myself. I just saw the irregular construction, and that was the natural joke to make.

Thanks for giving it the extra context tho :D

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:28:22pm

The problem is that ‘Brave Little Arizona’ does not stand up to the statistical check. They have issues related to the drug wars. What they don’t have is a crime wave caused by illegal immigrants.

Now, 1,200 NGs may help them with border security.

I still haven’t heard a good explanation of how SB 1070 will or would.

427 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:29:02pm

re: #421 Walter L. Newton

See, that’s a damn cool hobby!

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:29:33pm

re: #424 sattv4u2

I’ve never seen Arizona try to claim “superiority” in any phase of this

I do see them attempting to solve a problem in their state. I’m sure they wish that
A) there wasn’t a problem
B) if there is a problem it’s minor in their state as opposed to other

Statistically speaking, why is AZ facing a greater problem than the other border states? I’m still not clear on that.

429 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:29:37pm

re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem is that ‘Brave Little Arizona’ does not stand up to the statistical check. They have issues related to the drug wars. What they don’t have is a crime wave caused by illegal immigrants.

Now, 1,200 NGs may help them with border security.

I still haven’t heard a good explanation of how SB 1070 will or would.


SB1070 was what led to them getting the National Guardsmen. So in a way, it worked.

430 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:29:42pm

i really, really love pepperoni.

431 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:30:05pm

re: #425 windsagio

Got ya, thanks for the clarification. ~$~

432 _RememberTonyC  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:30:08pm

re: #408 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you explain to me why Arizona is a bigger part of it than Texas, or California?

I can only speak for myself, but Arizona has gotten the lion’s share of publicity because of the controversial 1070 law. they’re more on the mainstream “radar screen” (nationally) than some other states. but I am certain Texas, NM, and Cali also have major security concerns. And the President is wise to help all of them out with this issue. By doing so, he may prevent the other three border states from acting as Arizona did.

433 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:31:01pm

re: #429 ralphieboy

SB1070 was what led to them getting the National Guardsmen. So in a way, it worked.

Reasonable analysis—but I’ve been talking here for weeks to people who insisted AZ needed this law to protect their state.

434 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:31:20pm

re: #431 Bagua

I should thank you really, I hate missing a good joke ;)

435 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:31:26pm

re: #432 _RememberTonyC

…the President is wise to help all of them out with this issue. By doing so, he may prevent the other three border states from acting as Arizona did.

I think that is a major reason why he did it.

436 allegro  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:31:37pm

re: #432 _RememberTonyC

By doing so, he may prevent the other three border states from acting as Arizona did.

Even Gov. Goodhair Perry figured out pretty quickly that it was a dumbass move from the fallout.

437 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:32:03pm

re: #422 ralphieboy

What did they do with old East German border? Maybe bits of it are still in storage somewhere in Leipzig, we could just import it and install it on the spot, guard dogs and all.

Something has to be done. More than whatever the Feds have been doing thus far. I take no issue with people passing from one country to another; I’m all for free movement, but we do have immigration laws for a reason. I want those laws enforced, and I’d really appreciate it if a politician or two would admit this and build a fricken wall, or fence, or whatever one wants to dub it. that said, I’ve no idea what to do with the 20+ million illegals already here. That’s a lot of people to find, take into custody, and deport. Of course, the Feds can always be aggressive with employers, heaven forbid.

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:32:11pm

Heading out all. See you in the evening.

439 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:32:42pm

re: #433 SanFranciscoZionist

Reasonable analysis—but I’ve been talking here for weeks to people who insisted AZ needed this law to protect their state.


A lot of people were convinced that was the case. Picking on the poor, peaceful job-seekers in order to get the Feds to help crack down on drug caretl violence. It was a piss-poor approach, but it got a response.

440 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:32:50pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

Statistically speaking, why is AZ facing a greater problem than the other border states? I’m still not clear on that.

I’ve never claimed they are

I’ve never seen Arizona claim they are

Thats stated, because someone breaks into your home and steals $10,000 worth of goods and someone breaks into my home and steals $5,000 worth of goods, I have to wait till someone steals another $5,001 of my stuff before I can act so that “statistically, I have a greater problem than you”????

441 allegro  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:33:43pm

re: #437 eclectic infidel

I’ve no idea what to do with the 20+ million illegals already here.

I keep hearing that question, but I never hear WHY they’re such an awful problem to be dealt with.

442 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:33:49pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

United States of the World!

Hypothetical merging of the US and Mexico with 82 states.
The Institute of Heraldry has designed US flags with up to 100 stars

Much, much more on additional states (not just PR and DC, though those are the realistic candidates at this point)

443 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:34:32pm

re: #427 windsagio

See, that’s a damn cool hobby!

Thanks… and my comment was a “damn” mess of typos… but you got the drift.

Yes, I like to cut stone… something very self-satisfying about taking a raw piece of stone and shaping and polishing it on a machine with your hands until is is smooth and glass like. I did nine new pieces last week, including 3 nice pieces of turquoise.

There are two young girls (courtesy clerks) at the supermarket who are graduating with one of my step-critters this coming weekend, and they are very helpful workers.

I made one of them a turquoise necklace with a hemp “chain”, bone beads and silver and the other one got a bracelet made of turquoise rondels, bone beads and silver highlights.

444 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:34:36pm

re: #441 allegro

I keep hearing that question, but I never hear WHY they’re such an awful problem to be dealt with.


Now awful, but expensive and time consuming. Imagine the bureaucracy we would need to register and track 20 million immigrants…

445 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:34:47pm

re: #433 SanFranciscoZionist

Reasonable analysis—but I’ve been talking here for weeks to people who insisted AZ needed this law to protect their state.

s eastern AZ is a busy corridore for illegal entry for two reasons…it’s remote, and there are no fences…’protect’ is a relative word here…CA and TX obviously does not want to deal with illegals to the same degree

446 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:35:06pm

Obama could single-handedly cure AIDS, capture Osama Bin-Laden, increase the DOW 100000 points, high five Jesus, and resurrect Reagan, yet still the wingnuts would find a reason to hate him.

447 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:36:32pm

re: #446 SpaceJesus

Obama could single-handedly cure AIDS, capture Osama Bin-Laden, increase the DOW 100000 points, high five Jesus, and resurrect Reagan, yet still the wingnuts would find a reason to hate him.

I know I would.

448 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:36:37pm

re: #442 Shiplord Kirel

Hypothetical merging of the US and Mexico with 82 states.
The Institute of Heraldry has designed US flags with up to 100 stars

Much, much more on additional states (not just PR and DC, though those are the realistic candidates at this point)

personally i like the north american technate

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

449 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:36:48pm

re: #446 SpaceJesus

Obama could single-handedly cure AIDS, capture Osama Bin-Laden, increase the DOW 100000 points, high five Jesus, and resurrect Reagan, yet still the wingnuts would find a reason to hate him.


Wehave received documents showing that he is planning to do just that, to lull us into a false sense of security so he can impose a Communist-Fascist nanny state.

/

450 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:38:55pm

re: #441 allegro

I keep hearing that question, but I never hear WHY they’re such an awful problem to be dealt with.

*nods* I’m of two minds. First, I’d have a very big problem deporting people who now have families (kids born in the US), full-time jobs, and have established themselves as Americans sans the formal paperwork. My desire for these folks would be that they pay whatever penalties come their way and grant them citizenship.

For those with criminal records - deport ‘em and be done with it.

For the rest who are either single or living in a group, take it on a case by case basis to determine eligibility.

I guess.

451 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:39:03pm

re: #447 Walter L. Newton

I know I would.

so would I…he’s a Chicago hack, but with all the fed worshippers around here, I’m certainly the minority…
GO FEDS!

452 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:39:19pm

re: #441 allegro

I keep hearing that question, but I never hear WHY they’re such an awful problem to be dealt with.

resources

We’re just about finished tracking the 2010 census. It’s reasonable that illegals will not turn in a form nor want to be counted by a live enumerator

Now, the numbers of people living in your town go back to the Feds, which by the numbers figures out how much fed money is needed in your town for schools, raods, old age centers, gov’t helath clinics

If the number they get is way off, you’r area doesn’t get enough funding for the number of people using the infrastructure

453 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:39:33pm

re: #449 ralphieboy

Wehave received documents showing that he is planning to do just that, to lull us into a false sense of security so he can impose a Communist-Fascist nanny state.

/

hey…whatever keeps the fluoride in the water…

454 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:39:35pm

re: #446 SpaceJesus

Obama could single-handedly cure AIDS, capture Osama Bin-Laden, increase the DOW 100000 points, high five Jesus, and resurrect Reagan, yet still the wingnuts would find a reason to hate him.

well I have yet to see his accomplishments come anywhere near his campaign speeches… so these thing you say he could do perhaps he should. No?

455 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:41:11pm

re: #452 sattv4u2

wow,, my typing SUCKS

Thank God I get paid for other things, and that my bosses is worse!

456 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:41:57pm

re: #454 brookly red

well I have yet to see his accomplishments come anywhere near his campaign speeches… so these thing you say he could do perhaps he should. No?

the ones he’s still making?
//

457 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:42:41pm

re: #456 sattv4u2

the ones he’s still making?
//

we are the ones we are still waiting for LOL

458 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:43:54pm

re: #454 brookly red

well I have yet to see his accomplishments come anywhere near his campaign speeches… so these thing you say he could do perhaps he should. No?

OTOH, thank heavens he didn’t turn into everything the far left hoped that he’d be…i don’t want to look the gift president in the mouth too often…

459 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:44:25pm

re: #457 brookly red

we are the ones we are still waiting for LOL

he’s headed for the west coast to campaign…..OUCH!
he’s like 0 for 5

460 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:44:53pm

re: #454 brookly red

well I have yet to see his accomplishments come anywhere near his campaign speeches… so these thing you say he could do perhaps he should. No?


1. you missed the entire point of what i was saying

2. obama has to work with conservatives voted into office by people like you who can’t be worked with on anything

461 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:45:07pm

re: #459 albusteve

he’s headed for the west coast to campaign…OUCH!
he’s like 0 for 5

Boxer is toast… la la la

462 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:46:26pm

re: #460 SpaceJesus

1. you missed the entire point of what i was saying

2. obama has to work with conservatives voted into office by people like you who can’t be worked with on anything

Bull Shit the Dems control both houses period. Now what have you got to say?

463 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:46:50pm

re: #450 eclectic infidel

Something like that.

464 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:47:35pm

re: #462 brookly red

Bull Shit the Dems control both houses period. Now what have you got to say?

SpaceJesus: It’s Bush’s fault… the GOP are obstructionists… I want my mommy…

465 sattv4u2  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:48:17pm

re: #460 SpaceJesus

1. you missed the entire point of what i was saying

2. obama has to work with conservatives voted into office by people like you who can’t be worked with on anything

Majority in the house of reps

60 seats in the senate (up until Scott Browns win)

“WE HAVE FOUND THE PROBLEM AND HE IS US”

466 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:48:20pm

re: #460 SpaceJesus

1. you missed the entire point of what i was saying

2. obama has to work with conservatives voted into office by people like you who can’t be worked with on anything

like Ben Nelson?…got it

467 Olsonist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:48:21pm

re: #462 brookly red

Bull Shit the Dems control both houses period. Now what have you got to say?

The Dems do not have a filibuster proof Senate majority and the Reps have shown that they can and will be obstructionist about anything.

468 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:49:27pm

re: #465 sattv4u2

Majority in the house of reps

60 seats in the senate (up until Scott Browns win)

“WE HAVE FOUND THE PROBLEM AND HE IS US”

You do have a point, well if your point is ‘unfortunately Dems aren’t lockstep zombies the way Reps are’.

469 rwdflynavy  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:49:27pm

re: #453 Aceofwhat?

hey…whatever keeps the fluoride in the water…

Ice cream, Childrens’ ice cream Mandrake…

470 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:49:48pm

re: #467 Olsonist

The Dems do not have a filibuster proof Senate majority and the Reps have shown that they can and will be obstructionist about anything.

they really dug in against the HCR bill…I liked that

471 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:49:51pm

re: #467 Olsonist

The Dems do not have a filibuster proof Senate majority and the Reps have shown that they can and will be obstructionist about anything.

well you would think with such great policies there would be support… oh well.

472 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:51:02pm

re: #462 brookly red

Bull Shit the Dems control both houses period. Now what have you got to say?

notice i said conservatives and not republicans

473 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:51:03pm

re: #468 windsagio

You do have a point, well if your point is ‘unfortunately Dems aren’t lockstep zombies the way Reps are’.

because they are ideologically unsound and always looking to pad their gig

474 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:51:53pm

adventures in critical reading skills with spacejesus time

475 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:52:01pm

re: #472 SpaceJesus

notice i said conservatives and not republicans

well it is what it is…

476 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:52:45pm

re: #473 albusteve

because they are ideologically unsound and always looking to pad their gig

So wait, being a straight party-liner means you’re ‘ideologically sound’?

477 Olsonist  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:52:53pm

re: #471 brookly red

well you would think with such great policies there would be support… oh well.

When the Dems propose pretty much the same health care bill that Romney did in his campaign, and the Reps in lock step oppose it, yep, the Reps are being obstructionist.

Add some tea and stir.

478 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:53:14pm

re: #473 albusteve

because they are ideologically unsound and always looking to pad their gig

“Ideologically unsound” is the nicest thing anyone has ever said about us.

479 rwdflynavy  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:53:45pm

re: #474 SpaceJesus

adventures in critical reading skills with spacejesus time

Spacejesus, just look at you, you are a wreck. You used to be the bad ass with the negative karma. Now you’ve got all this positive karma. Dude, you have totally sold out to the establishment!!!!
//

480 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:54:20pm

re: #476 windsagio

So wait, being a straight party-liner means you’re ‘ideologically sound’?

buying votes with taxpayer’s money ought to be illegal…cheap extortionists, you figure it out

481 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:55:02pm

re: #475 brookly red

well it is what it is…


ever heard of southern democrats

482 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:56:13pm

re: #479 rwdflynavy

Spacejesus, just look at you, you are a wreck. You used to be the bad ass with the negative karma. Now you’ve got all this positive karma. Dude, you have totally sold out to the establishment!!!
//

i didn’t sell out, its just that all the crazies got banned. i kind of miss them in a way.

483 rwdflynavy  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:56:16pm

re: #481 SpaceJesus

ever heard of southern democrats

Like Zell Miller?
//

484 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:56:51pm

re: #481 SpaceJesus

ever heard of southern democrats

so? If you can’t get shit done when your party controls both houses you are not an effective president, it is what it is.

485 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:57:33pm

re: #482 SpaceJesus

i didn’t sell out, its just that all the crazies got banned. i kind of miss them in a way.

Yeah like the “morning mop-up” scene at the end of “Night of the Living Dead”.

486 rwdflynavy  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:57:40pm

re: #482 SpaceJesus

i didn’t sell out, its just that all the crazies got banned. i kind of miss them in a way.

Potato, potatoe…

487 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 3:58:39pm

re: #484 brookly red

so? If you can’t get shit done when your party controls both houses you are not an effective president, it is what it is.

and then BO dumps on his congressmen and lets Pelosi whip on them haha!…I imagine there are many donks that are very disgruntled with BO

488 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:00:21pm

I’m pretty sure Kilgore would think me a wingnut. But from a rational Right Wing Nut prospective this sucks. First, you have the military doing the job of civil enforcement. Second, you have funds diverted (created) which do not solve the long range requirement (dealing with the II issue), doesn’t deal with the training issues of the NG and doesn’t actually solve the problem because we cannot deal with these border crossers as a legitimate military threat.

Give ICE another $500M and the problem would start to abate as no more would be added to the target group…Illegal Immigrants. Start punishing businesses which use II’s as virtual slave labor and the demand goes down. Demand goes down II’s start to self deport. We have actually seen this lately but the rising violence in Mexico has encouraged a new wave of IIs.

489 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:00:28pm

re: #480 albusteve

Yay defense spending!

(I’m from Seattle, so I know all about how that works)

490 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:00:30pm

re: #487 albusteve

and then BO dumps on his congressmen and lets Pelosi whip on them haha!…I imagine there are many donks that are very disgruntled with BO

it is what it is.

491 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:02:39pm

re: #488 Quilly Mammoth

Not wingnutty. Try it in “all caps”.

492 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:02:56pm

re: #489 windsagio

Yay defense spending!

(I’m from Seattle, so I know all about how that works)

that’s not bribery….the voters get something for their money…are you dull witted or what?

493 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:02:56pm

re: #484 brookly red

so? If you can’t get shit done when your party controls both houses you are not an effective president, it is what it is.


not with conservative dems in the senate and house you can’t

494 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:03:50pm

re: #493 SpaceJesus

not with conservative dems in the senate and house you can’t

and that is a good thing

495 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:04:19pm

re: #488 Quilly Mammoth

I like your ideas, and for the most part, I’m a liberal (except when I defend Israel, then fellow liberals label me a right-wing thug). However, I don’t see a problem with using the NG to supplement local law enforcement when needed.

496 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:04:31pm

re: #492 albusteve

Man I wish I had your purity of vision.

Guess I haven’t been in Real America for too long.

497 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:04:47pm

re: #494 brookly red

and that is a good thing


blocking the change most americans want is a good thing?

498 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:05:07pm

re: #496 windsagio

Man I wish I had your purity of vision.

Guess I haven’t been in Real America for too long.

Seattle has that effect

499 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:05:54pm

re: #497 SpaceJesus

blocking the change most americans want is a good thing?

prove that most Americans favored the HCR bill…links

500 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:06:48pm

re: #497 SpaceJesus

blocking the change most americans want is a good thing?

most Americans?

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

maybe not so much.

501 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:07:35pm

meanwhile the hoe down in Jamaica blew open…lots of dead civvies again
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

502 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:08:49pm

re: #500 brookly red

most Americans?

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

maybe not so much.

-20!….oh well, look at Bush’s numbers!

503 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:09:04pm

re: #499 albusteve

prove that most Americans favored the HCR bill…links

63% want it repealed [Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

it is what it is.

504 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:09:29pm

re: #500 brookly red

I don’t know how many articles from 536 et al, need to be posted about the bs that is rasmussen, before ya’ll stop relying on them as truth.

505 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:09:30pm

re: #498 albusteve

I know rite?

~~~~

Seriously tho’, defense pork is no different than any other pork, except that the right fetishizes military spending as good for its own sake.

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:10:29pm

re: #366 windsagio

+ for embracing ebonics. I’m impressed with your interest in cultural diversity!

Finally read back to this. No, it’s standard English for what I think Steve is saying, which is a command. YOU! Be less judgemental. It’s only Ebonics if it’s a declarative statement, as in “You be less judgemental these days.” (than you used to be), or in a comparative sense “You be less judgemental than SFZ, usually.”

507 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:10:59pm

re: #505 windsagio

I know rite?

~~~

Seriously tho’, defense pork is no different than any other pork, except that the right fetishizes military spending as good for its own sake.

the subject was HCR and the Nelson bribe

508 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:11:19pm

re: #504 Stanley Sea

I don’t know how many articles from 536 et al, need to be posted about the bs that is rasmussen, before ya’ll stop relying on them as truth.

OK give me a source that is to your liking and let us check it out…

509 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:12:03pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

ohh, I didn’t think of the imperative!

The latter example, I’ll bow to your expertise on the grammar, but its certainly poor form >>

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:12:35pm

re: #440 sattv4u2

I’ve never claimed they are

I’ve never seen Arizona claim they are

Thats stated, because someone breaks into your home and steals $10,000 worth of goods and someone breaks into my home and steals $5,000 worth of goods, I have to wait till someone steals another $5,001 of my stuff before I can act so that “statistically, I have a greater problem than you”???

I was responding to an earlier post.

511 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:13:15pm

re: #507 albusteve

You said you were against ‘buying votes with the taxpayer’s money’.

A good part of defense spending is just that.

Its exactly the same thing, man.

512 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:13:16pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

You’re in rare form today SFZ, the thread only just ended and you are already caught up!

513 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:13:18pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

Thanks… and my comment was a “damn” mess of typos… but you got the drift.

Yes, I like to cut stone… something very self-satisfying about taking a raw piece of stone and shaping and polishing it on a machine with your hands until is is smooth and glass like. I did nine new pieces last week, including 3 nice pieces of turquoise.

There are two young girls (courtesy clerks) at the supermarket who are graduating with one of my step-critters this coming weekend, and they are very helpful workers.

I made one of them a turquoise necklace with a hemp “chain”, bone beads and silver and the other one got a bracelet made of turquoise rondels, bone beads and silver highlights.

Ah, that’s really nice of you, Walter.

514 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:14:21pm

re: #446 SpaceJesus

Obama could single-handedly cure AIDS, capture Osama Bin-Laden, increase the DOW 100000 points, high five Jesus, and resurrect Reagan, yet still the wingnuts would find a reason to hate him.

I’d still like to see most of those done. Resurrecting Reagan though—I think the poor man did enough in his lifetime. Let him rest.

515 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:15:44pm

re: #452 sattv4u2

resources

We’re just about finished tracking the 2010 census. It’s reasonable that illegals will not turn in a form nor want to be counted by a live enumerator

Now, the numbers of people living in your town go back to the Feds, which by the numbers figures out how much fed money is needed in your town for schools, raods, old age centers, gov’t helath clinics

If the number they get is way off, you’r area doesn’t get enough funding for the number of people using the infrastructure

I guess it’s too late to forward that to Michelle Bachmann.

516 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:15:45pm

re: #513 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, that’s really nice of you, Walter.

Temporary anomaly… thanks :)

517 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:16:13pm

re: #508 brookly red

OK give me a source that is to your liking and let us check it out…

Stanley? are you there?

518 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:16:34pm

re: #508 brookly red

OK give me a source that is to your liking and let us check it out…

Anything but Rasmussen. They are way off. You know it too.

519 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:17:02pm

re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist

I’d still like to see most of those done. Resurrecting Reagan though—I think the poor man did enough in his lifetime. Let him rest.

I’d rather see Cthulhu resurrected during a 2012 GOP convention with all the wing nut crazies present. The Elder God will have quite a feast. America will be better for it.

520 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:17:48pm

re: #517 brookly red

Stanley? are you there?

I took a break!

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:17:48pm

re: #461 brookly red

Boxer is toast… la la la

Nate Silver calls it a 32% chance you’re right.

Better than California Republicans have seen in some time, but I’d like better odds for brain surgery.

522 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:18:34pm

re: #520 Stanley Sea

Strictly Verboten.

523 Racer X  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:19:09pm

re: #446 SpaceJesus

Obama could single-handedly cure AIDS, capture Osama Bin-Laden, increase the DOW 100000 points, high five Jesus, and resurrect Reagan, yet still the wingnuts would find a reason to hate him.

Not if he held a press conference once in a while and like, talked about it.

524 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:19:42pm

re: #478 Decatur Deb

“Ideologically unsound” is the nicest thing anyone has ever said about us.

You can’t type out “cluster****” on a family blog.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:20:17pm

re: #484 brookly red

so? If you can’t get shit done when your party controls both houses you are not an effective president, it is what it is.

Some shit seems to be getting done.

526 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:21:03pm

re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist

Its just alot more painful than it could be, if everyone was coming to the table in good faith >>

527 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:21:21pm

re: #518 Stanley Sea

Anything but Rasmussen. They are way off. You know it too.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com…]

OK how are these?

528 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:21:55pm

re: #498 albusteve

Seattle has that effect

Seattle is pretty real. They have rain and stuff. And the big Space Needle Thing.

529 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:22:42pm

re: #524 SanFranciscoZionist

Ideologically unsound to a Mongolian extent.

530 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:23:07pm

re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist

Some shit seems to be getting done.

do tell…

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:23:28pm

re: #499 albusteve

prove that most Americans favored the HCR bill…links

This should keep us all happily nit-picking for hours.

532 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:23:52pm

re: #527 brookly red

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com…]

OK how are these?

Excellent. Go to 538 too.

533 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:25:06pm

re: #532 Stanley Sea

Excellent. Go to 538 too.

what is that?

534 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:25:54pm

re: #503 brookly red

63% want it repealed [Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

it is what it is.

I love this explanation. So unbiased.

535 Stanley Sea  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:26:22pm

re: #533 brookly red

what is that?

Nate Silver, 538.com

painstakingly thorough.

536 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:26:48pm

re: #512 Bagua

You’re in rare form today SFZ, the thread only just ended and you are already caught up!

I got a ride home.

537 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:27:31pm

re: #535 Stanley Sea

Nate Silver, 538.com

painstakingly thorough.

I will take a look…

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:28:38pm

re: #530 brookly red

do tell…

The National Guard is protecting America’s borders!

539 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:29:19pm

re: #528 SanFranciscoZionist

Seattle is pretty real. They have rain and stuff. And the big Space Needle Thing.

I don’t even take myself seriously…I spent one day in Seattle, I liked it…but then again I didn’t run into Windwhateveritis

540 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:29:20pm

re: #533 brookly red

what is that?

Nate Silver’s blog.

541 prairiefire  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:29:31pm

My little boy just said he was not eating his chicken because he was waiting for his Balls monic vinegar sauce.

542 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:29:41pm

re: #535 Stanley Sea

Nate Silver, 538.com

painstakingly thorough.

Numbers geek from hell.

543 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:30:24pm

re: #541 prairiefire

My little boy just said he was not eating his chicken because he was waiting for his Balls monic vinegar sauce.

God bless you for raising a foodie.

544 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:30:58pm

re: #538 SanFranciscoZionist

The National Guard is protecting America’s borders!

Unless they are AZNG under the Governor’s control, they can’t do much in the way of law enforcement. (I’m wrong if that has been “Patriot Acted” away.)

545 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:31:17pm

re: #541 prairiefire

My little boy just said he was not eating his chicken because he was waiting for his Balls monic vinegar sauce.

“Ah, the mind of a child, how truly wonderful it is.”
—Master Yoda, The Clone Wars.

546 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:32:12pm

re: #544 Decatur Deb

Unless they are AZNG under the Governor’s control, they can’t do much in the way of law enforcement. (I’m wrong if that has been “Patriot Acted” away.)

the whole thing sucks….posturing
I want to read a breakdown of the role these guys will play

547 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:32:35pm

re: #535 Stanley Sea

Nate Silver, 538.com

painstakingly thorough.

wow according to your source Rasmussen is # 3 with a 1.30 margin… even better than they claim. Ooooops

548 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:34:40pm

re: #538 SanFranciscoZionist

The National Guard is protecting America’s borders!

well when they protect it as well as they protect Iraq’s I would call it progress.

549 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:37:28pm

re: #548 brookly red

well when they protect it as well as they protect Iraq’s I would call it progress.

from the Iraqi desert to the AZ desert….Desert Rats!

550 Reginald Perrin  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:38:46pm

re: #482 SpaceJesus

Tell them the truth, you got stuck with all the positive karma after you went on that mission from Dog. It’s not your fault.

551 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:40:42pm

re: #547 brookly red

wow according to your source Rasmussen is # 3 with a 1.30 margin… even better than they claim. Oooops

just to be a bitch like that

552 Sergeant Major  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:45:03pm

re: #23 HoosierHoops
This is part of their mission like it or not…..
Reaction Forces provide a squad of National Guard combatants that consist of 75 to 125 soldiers who can occupy a particular scene within four to eight hours. Additional soldiers can be sent to an area within 24 to 36 hours. The numbers for these troops can range up to 375 soldiers. The National Guard Reaction Force (NGRF) is designed to provide governors and combat commanders with rapid response capabilities for each state or territory. Their goal is to protect important infrastructure and key assets, as well as to promote stability and security on a local and national level.

553 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:45:08pm

re: #551 brookly red

just to be a bitch like that

Rather than that, can you link what Nate’s saying that you’re referring to?

554 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:46:48pm

I was assuming accuracy of polls…

555 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:48:05pm

re: #554 brookly red

I was assuming accuracy of polls…

Super. What are you pointing at?

556 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:48:20pm

re: #554 brookly red

I was assuming accuracy of polls…

but to be fair his last rating was 2008…

557 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:49:59pm

re: #555 SanFranciscoZionist

Super. What are you pointing at?

that Rasmussen is at least as good as the others.

558 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:50:11pm

re: #556 brookly red

but to be fair his last rating was 2008…

Or don’t tell me…

559 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:50:44pm

re: #557 brookly red

that Rasmussen is at least as good as the others.

OK. I assume their numbers are decent, although their agenda is fairly obvious.

560 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:52:03pm

re: #556 brookly red

Your inability to back things up with links is freakin’ amazing, quit being intentionally dense :p

I actually did some searches to find that “#3 with 1.30” (via google and internal 538 search) and couldn’t find it.

561 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:52:18pm

BO is slowly tanking….
just say it, it’s easy

562 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:52:59pm

re: #561 albusteve

BO is slowly tanking…
just say it, it’s easy

Not seeing it.

563 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:53:06pm

re: #550 Reginald Perrin

Tell them the truth, you got stuck with all the positive karma after you went on that mission from Dog. It’s not your fault.

so i got banned from stalker blog just now

564 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:53:12pm

re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. I assume their numbers are decent, although their agenda is fairly obvious.

well you & I both live in big urban liberal centers… do you see hope & change on the west coast cause I am not seeing it here.

565 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:53:19pm

re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist

Funny thing about Rasmussen actually.

As I remember it, they poll heavily Republican for months and months, and then just before the election, their results take a huge surge to the left, so their final results are really accurate.

They’re also an excellent polling source, if you stay away from politics. Their info on how much people like that new mixmaster is top-notch!

566 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:53:38pm

re: #556 brookly red

but to be fair his last rating was 2008…

Nate Silver did a post on Rasmussen since the last election. He didn’t call them dishonest, but showed that their “likely voter” sample is badly out of date. IIRC, there were other issues with the way sponsors misapplied Rasmussen’s work. The polling improves for them as an election approaches, but they are out during the early season. The Silver post might be in old LGF threads.

567 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:53:54pm

re: #562 SanFranciscoZionist

Not seeing it.

of course not, I knew that

568 Four More Tears  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:54:17pm

re: #561 albusteve

BO is slowly tanking…
just say it, it’s easy

At least when we say it there won’t be that hint of schadenfreude in our voices.

569 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:54:41pm

re: #567 albusteve

in fairness, you’d see him as ‘slipping’ if his rating were to go from 98% to 98%.

570 Bagua  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:54:48pm

re: #568 JasonA

At least when we say it there won’t be that hint of schadenfreude in our voices.

Ideological purity?

571 Four More Tears  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:56:53pm

re: #570 Bagua

Ideological purity?

Hm?

572 wrenchwench  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:57:55pm

re: #563 SpaceJesus

so i got banned from stalker blog just now

I thought they never ever ban anybody because that’s fascist!?!

Good work.

573 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:58:00pm

re: #569 windsagio

in fairness, you’d see him as ‘slipping’ if his rating were to go from 98% to 98%.

you can see what I think in a hypothetical, impossible future?….hahaha!…so what can you do with this magical power?…you really must have ODd on computer games

574 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:59:21pm

re: #573 albusteve

Umm, I’m trying to be nice, but isn’t there anything else you could have gone after in that post of mine? >>

575 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 4:59:27pm

re: #569 windsagio

in fairness, you’d see him as ‘slipping’ if his rating were to go from 98% to 98%.

in fairness his ratings are under 50% even on the most left polls… look it is what it is

576 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:00:07pm

re: #572 wrenchwench

I thought they never ever ban anybody because that’s fascist!?!

Good work.


not only is it hypocritical of them to ban me, they banned me for being “juvenile” in response to some one talking about my penis.

577 Four More Tears  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:00:51pm

re: #575 brookly red

in fairness his ratings are under 50% even on the most left polls… look it is what it is

I’m picturing you twirling a mustache as you say that.

578 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:01:21pm

re: #575 brookly red

Which was kinda aside from my point, in fairness >>

579 Four More Tears  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:01:41pm

re: #576 SpaceJesus

not only is it hypocritical of them to ban me, they banned me for being “juvenile” in response to some one talking about my penis.

Please. As if your penis is anything worth talking about.

What?

580 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:03:15pm

Since we’re kinda talking about 538, interesting post:

Study: Excluding Cellphones Introduces Statistically Significant Bias in Polls

581 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:03:25pm

re: #580 windsagio

hint: Its not a left bias ;)

582 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:03:28pm

re: #577 JasonA

I’m picturing you twirling a mustache as you say that.

nawww it is close cropped, but really why do people deny the facts, Os numbers are not that good.

583 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:04:12pm

re: #578 windsagio

Which was kinda aside from my point, in fairness >>

your point was to assume what people are thinking…it gets old….you project this shrink gig so often I wonder maybe you should see one….the role playing is obviously a result of some uneven personality trait…or too much TV and video gaming…go see whats up and get back to me how you like it

584 Olsonist  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:04:17pm

re: #575 brookly red

in fairness his ratings are under 50% even on the most left polls… look it is what it is

Obama’s Gallup approval average is 56%, somewhat above Reagan’s 52.8%.

585 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:04:28pm

re: #575 brookly red

in fairness his ratings are under 50% even on the most left polls… look it is what it is

It’s an approval rating, and I haven’t fully approved of a president since Eisenhower’s first term. It would take a lot to keep me from voting for Obama in 2012

586 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:05:29pm

re: #583 albusteve


Try These Nuts!

587 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:07:00pm

re: #584 Olsonist

Obama’s Gallup approval average is 56%, somewhat above Reagan’s 52.8%.

funny that my link say much less

[Link: www.gallup.com…]

588 Olsonist  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:08:31pm

re: #587 brookly red

Does it?

589 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:09:02pm

re: #587 brookly red

funny that my link say much less

[Link: www.gallup.com…]

1200 guards will cop him some breathing room

590 ShaunP  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:09:32pm

re: #589 albusteve

1200 guards will cop him some breathing room

Not much. There’s an oil spill in the gulf, after all…

591 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:09:56pm

re: #588 Olsonist

Does it?

looks like you posted his term average, rather than where he stands today

592 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:09:57pm

re: #588 Olsonist

Does it?

even your link has him at 48% below 50 as I said.

593 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:09:57pm

Sun’s down—time to walk. BBL

594 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:10:06pm

re: #588 Olsonist

Does it?

48%, right?

595 ShaunP  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:11:02pm

re: #591 albusteve

looks like you posted his term average, rather than where he stands today

He did say average from the start…

596 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:11:04pm

re: #592 brookly red

even your link has him at 48% below 50 as I said.

literacy is bliss…

597 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:11:08pm

re: #594 Aceofwhat?

You guys are looking at 2 different things, they’re both on the same page even :P

598 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:12:23pm

re: #597 windsagio

You guys are looking at 2 different things, they’re both on the same page even :P

only one of them is useful, and that’s the one that brookly was talking about.

who cares about the term average? it’s as meaningless as a number can be without ceasing to be a number.

599 Olsonist  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:12:32pm

Obama’s Gallup approval average is 56%, somewhat above Reagan’s 52.8%.

Average. Read it. Know it. Live it. Average.

600 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:12:43pm

re: #576 SpaceJesus

not only is it hypocritical of them to ban me, they banned me for being “juvenile” in response to some one talking about my penis.

Yup. More of that latent homosexuality among them wing nuts.

601 ShaunP  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:13:52pm

re: #598 Aceofwhat?

only one of them is useful, and that’s the one that brookly was talking about.

who cares about the term average? it’s as meaningless as a number can be without ceasing to be a number.

I concur. Especially if you’re comparing 8 years to 1 1/2 years. I will say though that looking at a 48% approval rating as a failure, during a major environmental/economic disaster is a little odd…

602 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:14:20pm

re: #596 Aceofwhat?

literacy is bliss…

no not really then they try to tell you what to read or your reading it wrong… no bliss just scorn.

603 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:14:26pm

re: #598 Aceofwhat?

Well you know, hte week to week numbers are largely meaningless too, should I spend alot of time going on about how its higher now than it was April 10?

All those numbers are meaningful in different ways… As far as any of them are, look above at the link on the ‘landline problem’.

604 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:14:50pm

ho hum….the Spill is hardly reflective of BOs leadership prowess…I’m not sure what he can be doing at this point…it is definately not a Katrina moment for him, but should he seize BP assets, hardware, and board leaders….toss them in jail with no parole til this thing is resolved….BP is no friend of America, and if BO took extralegal measures to take them out, I’d buy him a beer

605 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:15:23pm

re: #601 ShaunP

I concur. Especially if you’re comparing 8 years to 1 1/2 years. I will say though that looking at a 48% approval rating as a failure, during a major environmental/economic disaster is a little odd…

i don’t think it’s a failure at all. i simply lack the self-control to avoid butting in when someone insists on using a wholly meaningless number to support their point.

it’s like microphone feedback…it hurts…

606 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:15:49pm

re: #599 Olsonist

Obama’s Gallup approval average is 56%, somewhat above Reagan’s 52.8%.

Average. Read it. Know it. Live it. Average.

we KNOW that…good grief

607 Four More Tears  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:16:42pm

re: #604 albusteve

ho hum…the Spill is hardly reflective of BOs leadership prowess…I’m not sure what he can be doing at this point…it is definately not a Katrina moment for him, but should he seize BP assets, hardware, and board leaders…toss them in jail with no parole til this thing is resolved…BP is no friend of America, and if BO took extralegal measures to take them out, I’d buy him a beer

Okay, but I’m sure the rest of the right would pitch a fit.

608 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:17:05pm

re: #603 windsagio

Well you know, hte week to week numbers are largely meaningless too, should I spend alot of time going on about how its higher now than it was April 10?

All those numbers are meaningful in different ways… As far as any of them are, look above at the link on the ‘landline problem’.

yeah, the cellphone post was really interesting.

the current approval number is interesting if you want to know how someone might be perceived now. comparing it to less recent polls can be interesting if you want to look at a trend.

using a term average 18 months in is as useful as a third nipple…

609 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:17:16pm

re: #603 windsagio

Well you know, hte week to week numbers are largely meaningless too, should I spend alot of time going on about how its higher now than it was April 10?

All those numbers are meaningful in different ways… As far as any of them are, look above at the link on the ‘landline problem’.

in other words, more people than not think BO sucks

610 ShaunP  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:17:56pm

re: #604 albusteve

ho hum…the Spill is hardly reflective of BOs leadership prowess…I’m not sure what he can be doing at this point…it is definately not a Katrina moment for him, but should he seize BP assets, hardware, and board leaders…toss them in jail with no parole til this thing is resolved…BP is no friend of America, and if BO took extralegal measures to take them out, I’d buy him a beer

Since we’re using Rasmussen as the “baseline”; they claim that voters are more critical of Obama’s handling of the spill…

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

611 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:18:12pm

re: #608 Aceofwhat?

Its kinda useful as a snapshot, I guess.

I think it just bugs me in terms of steves gleeful “YAY OBAMAS TANKING” deal.

Thats not really what the numbers mean at all :P

612 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:18:32pm
re: #601 ShaunP

I concur. Especially if you’re comparing 8 years to 1 1/2 years. I will say though that looking at a 48% approval rating as a failure, during a major environmental/economic disaster is a little odd…

and high unemployment, 2 wars going on 3 (Korea may just pop) a trillion dollar deficit, bad bad bad.

613 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:18:56pm

re: #607 JasonA

Okay, but I’m sure the rest of the right would pitch a fit.

I don’t give a shit what anybody thinks….I’m not of some lateral political orientation

614 ShaunP  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:19:03pm

re: #609 albusteve

in other words, more people than not think BO sucks

Incorrect. 48% approve; 44% disapprove. 8% I dunno…

[Link: www.gallup.com…]

615 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:19:29pm

re: #609 albusteve

in other words, more people than not think BO sucks

No more Americans than not… the Chinese love the guy.

616 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:19:38pm

re: #610 ShaunP

Since we’re using Rasmussen as the “baseline”; they claim that voters are more critical of Obama’s handling of the spill…

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]

whatever, I blame Bush

617 Four More Tears  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:19:45pm

re: #613 albusteve

I don’t give a shit what anybody thinks…I’m not of some lateral political orientation

Just sayin’. If you thought he was called a Socialist before…

618 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:20:06pm

re: #612 brookly red

and high unemployment, 2 wars going on 3 (Korea may just pop) a trillion dollar deficit, bad bad bad.

At the moment we’ve made more jobs than we’ve lost over the last two months in a row if that pattern continues high unemployment simply can’t last.

619 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:20:35pm

re: #611 windsagio

Its kinda useful as a snapshot, I guess.

I think it just bugs me in terms of steves gleeful “YAY OBAMAS TANKING” deal.

Thats not really what the numbers mean at all :P

i agree with you, but you can’t make that argument by inserting a number with even less meaning and saying “look at the birdie!!”. that’s all. slightly pedantic of me, i know;)

620 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:20:47pm

re: #618 jamesfirecat

At the moment we’ve made more jobs than we’ve lost over the last two months in a row if that pattern continues high unemployment simply can’t last.

no not more that 20 or 30 years…

621 ShaunP  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:20:53pm

re: #616 albusteve

whatever, I blame Bush

That deflect deserved the downding…

622 Olsonist  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:21:09pm

re: #613 albusteve

And at 5:18:56pm Steve sticks his head into the fake non-partisan sand.

623 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:21:44pm

re: #619 Aceofwhat?

You really do have a point,

The best of us can get a bit emotionally involved in these things :D

624 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:22:29pm

re: #622 Olsonist

And at 5:18:56pm Steve sticks his head into the fake non-partisan sand.

/and chokes on real non partisan oil…

625 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:22:37pm

re: #620 brookly red

no not more that 20 or 30 years…

If the American people choose someone who takes 20 or 30 years to fix the economy over the party of the people who needed only 8 years to break it without showing why they won’t break it again then the American people are idiots…

626 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:23:05pm

re: #623 windsagio

You really do have a point,

The best of us can get a bit emotionally involved in these things :D

when i can’t help it, i at least try to own it…takes a little of the sting off, you know;)

627 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:23:58pm

re: #625 jamesfirecat

If the American people choose someone who takes 20 or 30 years to fix the economy over the party of the people who needed only 8 years to break it without showing why they won’t break it again then the American people are idiots…

if you think that one party is responsible for breaking it or fixing it, i’m with stupid…

628 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:24:12pm

re: #617 JasonA

Just sayin’. If you thought he was called a Socialist before…

he probably is by my standard…even so I don’t give a damn about his polls, his birth cert, his shady background….I want to see leadership, leading the country first, party second…and so far I’m really underwhelmed….show me the beef, kick some ass, take down the bad guys

629 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:24:14pm

re: #625 jamesfirecat

If the American people choose someone who takes 20 or 30 years to fix the economy over the party of the people who needed only 8 years to break it without showing why they won’t break it again then the American people are idiots…

so subtract the census jobs & give me that number again…

630 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:24:55pm

re: #621 ShaunP

That deflect deserved the downding…

I blame Bush again

631 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:25:20pm

Man, nobody cares about MY shady background!

632 ShaunP  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:25:47pm

re: #630 albusteve

I blame Bush again

I lol’ed, so upding was deserved… :D

633 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:26:12pm

re: #622 Olsonist

And at 5:18:56pm Steve sticks his head into the fake non-partisan sand.

and at 5:21 Olsonists sticks it’s head up it’s ass

634 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:26:24pm

re: #631 windsagio

Man, nobody cares about MY shady background!

you.

635 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:27:07pm

re: #629 brookly red

so subtract the census jobs & give me that number again…

If you insist my friend. 290,000 new jobs, and 231,000 came from the private sector.

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com…]

636 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:28:05pm

re: #631 windsagio

Man, nobody cares about MY shady background!

run for senator and i’m spilling my guts about the anime collection/

637 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:28:27pm

re: #635 jamesfirecat

If you insist my friend. 290,000 new jobs, and 231,000 came from the private sector.

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com…]

cool now at that rate we should have full employment in 27.4 years…

638 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:29:30pm

re: #634 brookly red

I am wounded :(

639 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:29:51pm

re: #636 Aceofwhat?

You call that dirt?

I would have gone with my association with KNOWN FURRIES.

640 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:29:56pm

re: #637 brookly red

cool now at that rate we should have full employment in 27.4 years…

the job stats especially crack me up….what bullshit

641 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:30:16pm

re: #638 windsagio

I am wounded :(

well it should be OK we all have free health care now right?

642 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:31:38pm

STIMULUS!
RECOVERY!
JOBS SAVED!
good grief, who are these jerktoids?

643 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:32:35pm

TOO BIG TO FAIL!

644 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:32:37pm

re: #641 brookly red

No thanks to you guys >>

645 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:32:54pm

Steve, time to take your meds again.

You’re decompensating.

646 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:33:12pm

re: #644 windsagio

No thanks to you guys >>

see your better already…

647 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:33:34pm

NO MORE BAILOUTS!
(except for unions in NY)

648 windsagio  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:33:39pm

re: #646 brookly red

:p

649 Aceofwhat?  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:33:49pm

re: #639 windsagio

You call that dirt?

I would have gone with my association with KNOWN FURRIES.

nah…i’ll bet you that 66% of America has no idea that such a thing exists outside of the scope of a CSI show or wherever they saw it referenced once…

650 albusteve  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:34:23pm

re: #645 windsagio

Steve, time to take your meds again.

You’re decompensating.

wrong, I’ve transcended the tripe

651 brookly red  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:34:58pm

re: #647 albusteve

NO MORE BAILOUTS!
(except for unions in NY)

/you got a problem wit dat?

652 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:38:43pm

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I disagree with those who say that we are using the NG for policing. Border security, IMO, IS national security.

You’d think this would be obvious.

653 swamprat  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:46:48pm

Obama is moving outside the box. Good for him! But uh, … while you’re at it, there are some oily seagulls and beaches….

654 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 25, 2010 5:51:09pm

re: #317 Obdicut

Believe it or not, we have an excellent government, founded by excellent men, based on excellent principles, and carried forward by dedicated, excellent employees like our own Reine.

It can use work, sure, but our government is one of the best in the world.

I’ll second everything you said!

655 oklahoma  Tue, May 25, 2010 6:28:40pm

Didn’t McCain say 6000 minimum would be required? If that’s true then 1200 would be just enough to stop some MSM questions.

656 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 25, 2010 6:37:14pm

Politicos comment sections are always *ahem* enlightening.

657 prairiefire  Tue, May 25, 2010 6:55:38pm

re: #656 Amory Blaine

Politicos comment sections are always *ahem* enlightening.

Someone once posted that LGF was like a rose garden in comparison.

658 Four More Tears  Tue, May 25, 2010 7:19:26pm

re: #657 prairiefire

Someone once posted that LGF was like a rose garden in comparison.

Odds are that person has since flounced…

659 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 25, 2010 7:20:55pm

Late the game but:

*Stand up and down in seat doing the one man wave*

O!
B!
A!
M!
A!

/I’m a fair weather fan and you can win some love in the most simplistic ways.

660 tradewind  Tue, May 25, 2010 7:42:34pm

Well, it’s a start.
Maybe if his approval rating keeps on dropping… say, into the thirties, he’ll cough up the whole six thousand requested.

661 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 25, 2010 8:10:48pm

Coming late to this thread, but:

To all who say Obama is doing nothing about this, suck it!

662 Interesting Times  Tue, May 25, 2010 8:38:15pm

re: #658 JasonA

Odds are that person has since flounced…

Not to my knowledge. And I think I should be in a position to know, should I not? ;)

663 mickster99  Tue, May 25, 2010 10:34:01pm

The DMZ separating North Korea from South Korea is the perfect model for securing our border with Mexico. Works for Kim Jong Il. Should work for J. D. Hayworth.

664 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:31:44am

re: #663 mickster99

The DMZ separating North Korea from South Korea is the perfect model for securing our border with Mexico. Works for Kim Jong Il. Should work for J. D. Hayworth.

And the oil spill is perfect cover for thhe Gulf coast, all that tar on the beaches discourages boat refugees…


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