James O’Keefe Pleads Guilty

ACORN sting filmmaker James O’Keefe and friends pleaded guilty today to illegally entering the office of Sen. Mary Landrieu in New Orleans.

The four defendants who were arrested in January in Sen. Mary Landrieu’s office in the Hale Boggs federal complex in New Orleans pleaded guilty Wednesday morning in federal court to entering real property belonging to the United States under false pretenses.

Magistrate Judge Daniel Knowles III sentenced Stan Dai, Joseph Basel and Robert Flanagan each to two years probation, a fine of $1,500 and 75 hours of community service during their first year of probation. James O’Keefe, as leader of the group and famous for posing as a pimp in ACORN office videos, received three years of probation, a fine of $1,500 and 100 hours of community service. …

The judge repeatedly told the defendants that, as journalists, they needed to learn “where to draw a line” in their investigative methods.

Ya think?

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425 comments

1 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:20:08pm

Wait... what happened to ' years behind bars' ?

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:21:32pm

Can he do his community service at a local ACORN office?

:)

3 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:21:32pm

A $1,500 fine - WTF is that?

4 Kragar  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:22:31pm

How long before the "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" press conference.

5 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:22:42pm

Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Not.

Maybe for their community service, they'll be required to volunteer at ACORN (or what has become of ACORN after reorganization).

I'd pay good money to see video of that.

6 lawhawk  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:22:53pm

re: #3 Spare O'Lake

A slap on the wrist, which means that he'll be back at his videographing soon enough.

7 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:23:26pm

re: #5 reine.de.tout

Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Not.

Maybe for their community service, they'll be required to volunteer at ACORN (or what has become of ACORN after reorganization).

I'd pay good money to see video of that.

Now THAT would be cruel and unusual punishment.

8 soap_man  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:23:41pm

That penalty sounds about right, considering the charge and the fact that they pleaded guilty.

I would have liked more, since I think O'Keefe is a slimy creep, but that's just my feeling on it.

9 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:23:58pm

as journalists

Hahahahahaha


How much did daddy's connections play in this sweet deal?

10 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:24:07pm

re: #6 lawhawk

Yep, cost of doing business.

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:20pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before the "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" press conference.

Seconds.

This is a very reasonable sentence, and he should accept it in good grace, but that doesn't seem to be this kid's default position.

12 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:34pm

Speaking of, Bertha Lewis was arrested yesterday in NYC. No more ACORN, so she threw down with the SEIU.
[Link: newsbusters.org...]

13 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:51pm

re: #7 Spare O'Lake

Now THAT would be cruel and unusual punishment.

It would serve 'em right.

Louisiana ACORN seemed to be active mostly in the New Orleans area, and even then, they were not particularly active or effective. They mostly organized protests, letter-writing campaigns, etc.

14 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:26:48pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Can he do his community service at a local ACORN office?

:)

Great idea...make him register some dead voters.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:27:04pm

re: #8 soap_man

That penalty sounds about right, considering the charge and the fact that they pleaded guilty.

I would have liked more, since I think O'Keefe is a slimy creep, but that's just my feeling on it.

Well, he is a slimy creep, but it does sound about right, given that I don't think there are sentencing enhancements for being a creep, or slimy.

Now, if he pulls this crap AGAIN...

16 lawhawk  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:27:06pm

BTW, according to his Twitter, a new video premieres tomorrow. Not wasting any time. He got his street cred as an auteur, and now can go on from here.

17 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:27:33pm

re: #6 lawhawk
I think I had a bet with KT./
He was predicting felony conviction, years in the slammer.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:29:18pm

re: #17 tradewind

I think I had a bet with KT./
He was predicting felony conviction, years in the slammer.

Was there money involved? If so, it may be worth it to search back through the threads.

(I have a deal with Cliffster over a book idea he offered to let me use somewhere back there.)

19 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:29:29pm

Well, bless his heart. I hope he learns to control his youthful exuberence.

20 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:31:13pm

re: #19 MandyManners
His attorneys might argue that he's already done his community service./

21 researchok  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:31:14pm

re: #6 lawhawk

A slap on the wrist, which means that he'll be back at his videographing soon enough.

Cost of doing business.

22 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:31:52pm

re: #17 tradewind


He was predicting felony conviction, years in the slammer.


Got a link for that? I don't recall making any predictions all I remember doing is linking to the possible maximum sentence and debating with people who were claiming the case wouldn't be prosecuted because the Obama regime feared the discovery phase of a trial.

23 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:31:59pm

I know Hannah Giles wasn't involved this time, but they can put her under house arrest at my place.

24 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:32:50pm

re: #7 Spare O'Lake

Now THAT would be cruel and unusual punishment.

For a racist.

25 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:33:17pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
Sadly, no. It was a fake-but-accurate bet.....

26 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:33:31pm

hehe, I remember when this first came out. It's a felony!!! HE'S GOING TO JAIL FOR A DECADE!! This is a win/win... got to watch liberals hyperventilate, and also get to watch this jackass get a little goose from the law.

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:34:28pm

Can't wait to see Breibart's spittle rant reaction to this.

28 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:35:00pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout
I would have to go back to the original story, but I remember the prediction, ... think you said up to ten years ? and the talk about what a heinous crime had been committed.
It just wasn't all that, IMO. Evidently the court agreed.

29 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:36:30pm

Let the spin begin.

30 soap_man  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:36:56pm

On a slightly related topic: Does anyone know how much time the kid who hacked into Palin's email ended up getting? I know he was found guilty on some counts and not guilty on others, but I couldn't find any sentencing info.

I know they are different crimes, but I'm curious what the compare-and-contrast would be on this.

31 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:38:05pm

re: #20 tradewind

His attorneys might argue that he's already done his community service./

Unlike someone who shall not be named, he's guilty as sin but, he's not free as a bird.

32 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:38:15pm

re: #30 soap_man

On a slightly related topic: Does anyone know how much time the kid who hacked into Palin's email ended up getting? I know he was found guilty on some counts and not guilty on others, but I couldn't find any sentencing info.

I know they are different crimes, but I'm curious what the compare-and-contrast would be on this.

Like years in jail....

33 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:38:17pm

Congratulation to all the wingnuts, ACORN obsessives, and James O'Keefe Fanboys. This is a victory for your boy O'Keefe and crazy old Andrew Breitbart.

34 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:39:12pm

re: #20 tradewind

His attorneys might argue that he's already done his community service./

Some might say it was on a national scale.

35 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:39:25pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Congratulation to all the wingnuts, ACORN obsessives, and James O'Keefe Fanboys. This is a victory for your boy O'Keefe and crazy old Andrew Breitbart.

Funny how that works. Yay!

36 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:39:53pm

re: #30 soap_man

On a slightly related topic: Does anyone know how much time the kid who hacked into Palin's email ended up getting? I know he was found guilty on some counts and not guilty on others, but I couldn't find any sentencing info.

I know they are different crimes, but I'm curious what the compare-and-contrast would be on this.

I don't think he's been sentenced yet.

37 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:40:04pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Congratulation to all the wingnuts, ACORN obsessives, and James O'Keefe Fanboys. This is a victory for your boy O'Keefe and crazy old Andrew Breitbart.

Any attention is good attention?

38 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:40:46pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Funny how that works. Yay!

Yep. Because nothing says quality journalism like a "journalist" on probation for three years. They should be proud.

39 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:41:32pm

I don't see how this is a victory. They are GUILTY as charged. They must pay a fine. They must perform community service. If they break the law during their probationary periods, they will go to prison.

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:42:18pm

re: #28 tradewind

I would have to go back to the original story, but I remember the prediction, ... think you said up to ten years ? and the talk about what a heinous crime had been committed.
It just wasn't all that, IMO. Evidently the court agreed.


Yes, that was the maximum possible sentence if the prosecutors and judge threw the book at them. The fact that the maximum sentence could have been 10 years hasn't changed.

41 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:42:32pm

re: #39 MandyManners

I don't see how this is a victory. They are GUILTY as charged. They must pay a fine. They must perform community service. If they break the law during their probationary periods, they will go to prison.

I know. I was just being sarcastic. I doubt being on probation for 3 years is cakewalk.

42 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:42:54pm

From the "It's about damned time" department:

Federal ban on gay men's blood donation to be reconsidered

Under Food and Drug Administration rules, men who have had sex -- even once -- with another man since 1977 are not permitted to give blood. The rule was implemented in 1983, sparked by concerns that HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, was tainting the blood supply. Screening tests to identify HIV-positive blood had not been developed. The policy was seen as a safety measure.

But today, with the availability of more accurate testing, activists, blood organizations and several U.S. senators say the lifetime ban is "medically and scientifically unwarranted" and are calling for change.

[...]

About three months ago, Sen. John Kerry and 17 other senators signed a letter to the FDA blasting its "outdated" policy.

Gay men, including those who are in monogamous relationships, are forbidden from contributing blood for the rest of their lives, while "a heterosexual who has had sex with a prostitute need only wait a year [before giving blood]. That does not strike me as a sound scientific conclusion," Kerry wrote in a March 9 letter.

43 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:43:21pm

re: #30 soap_man
There may be a retrial one one of the counts. The jury deadlocked on the identity theft count. He was charged with multiple felonies.... could have gotten 70 years in jail total, although no one ever thought that was even a possibility, nor should it have been. But the damage he did went far beyond Palin. Hundreds of people in her email list had their privacy breached, had to redo account, had privileged communications made public, etc. People lost business, clients, all kinds of fallout far beyond just Palin.
Kernell was convicted by a federal jury in Knoxville for intentionally accessing without authorization Palin's email account, and obstruction of justice.
After a week-long trial, a jury found Kernell guilty of one count of misdemeanor unauthorized access to obtain information from a computer and one count of obstruction of justice. The jury found Kernell not guilty of wire fraud. The jury could not reach a verdict on the identity theft charge and the judge declared a mistrial as to that charge. No decision yet as to a retrial.

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:43:34pm

re: #30 soap_man

On a slightly related topic: Does anyone know how much time the kid who hacked into Palin's email ended up getting? I know he was found guilty on some counts and not guilty on others, but I couldn't find any sentencing info.

I know they are different crimes, but I'm curious what the compare-and-contrast would be on this.

I don't think it's over just yet, but...

Kernell now faces 21 years in prison and fines of US$100,000 for computer fraud verdict, and US$250,000 for obstruction of justice.

45 darthstar  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:43:36pm

re: #3 Spare O'Lake

A $1,500 fine - WTF is that?

Vindication.

46 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:43:39pm

re: #41 Gus 802

I know. I was just being sarcastic. I doubt being on probation for 3 years is cakewalk.

I wonder if he's restricted to living in one state. How often must he report to his PO? Drug testing?

47 Obdicut  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:44:50pm

re: #6 lawhawk

A slap on the wrist, which means that he'll be back at his videographing soon enough.

He's not a videographer. He's a shit-stirrer and a liar.

48 darthstar  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:45:50pm

It's too bad this isn't a felony...I wouldn't mind if O'Keefe and his friends lost their voting rights until their sentences were served.

Maybe this 'slap on the wrist' will inspire him to try it again...wouldn't that be fun?

49 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:46:12pm

re: #46 MandyManners

I wonder if he's restricted to living in one state. How often must he report to his PO? Drug testing?

I don't know. There's probably probation rules for Louisiana out there somewhere. I don't know if there are different level of probation either. Sometimes there are conditions like drug testing. I imagine it would have to be relative to the case.

50 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:46:23pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Congratulation to all the wingnuts, ACORN obsessives, and James O'Keefe Fanboys. This is a victory for your boy O'Keefe and crazy old Andrew Breitbart.

Well he DID plead guilty, didn't he?

51 Randall Gross  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:46:45pm

These yo yo's are dumb enough to violate their probation agreement, bet we haven't heard the last of them.. .

52 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:46:50pm

re: #47 Obdicut

He's not a videographer. He's a shit-stirrer and a liar.

He's an example of something that is plaguing our country these days... someone getting WAAAY more attention than they deserve. From day one.

53 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:46:57pm

But, but, but, he and Breitbart brought down ACORN with a completely made up, edited, and voice-overed propaganda piece! James O'Keefe is a mothereffing GOD of non-liberal biased journalism now, he should be allowed to bug the phones of government offices if he wants to!

/sheesh :(

54 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:47:13pm

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth
Wow. What a misleading headline.
If you followed the trial, it went way beyond ' guessing her password '. He and his buddies made a concentrated effort that took a while to get into her email account. And the kid's defense was that ' she should have had a more difficult password'. Ohhh kayyyy.
His Dad's a Democratic rep from my county, btw.

55 Obdicut  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:47:37pm

re: #34 MandyManners

Some might say it was on a national scale.

You mean getting Congress to pass a shitty law of attainder based on lies? Yeah, that was a great service to the community. Nothing like showing how easy it is to manipulate the government through a fake scandal.

56 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:50:04pm

re: #33 Gus 802
Just how are three years of probation and hefty fines and time constraints cause for laissez les bon temps rouler?

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:51:10pm

re: #54 tradewind

Well, it was a concentrated effort, but they did just "guess her password".

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:52:17pm

re: #30 soap_man

On a slightly related topic: Does anyone know how much time the kid who hacked into Palin's email ended up getting? I know he was found guilty on some counts and not guilty on others, but I couldn't find any sentencing info.

I know they are different crimes, but I'm curious what the compare-and-contrast would be on this.

Doesn't look as though they've sentenced yet, from this.

59 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:52:27pm

re: #56 tradewind

Just how are three years of probation and hefty fines and time constraints cause for laissez les bon temps rouler?

I don't know. He got probation instead of hard time "which is what dem lubruls were predictin'" or something like that?

60 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:52:32pm

re: #49 Gus 802

I don't know. There's probably probation rules for Louisiana out there somewhere. I don't know if there are different level of probation either. Sometimes there are conditions like drug testing. I imagine it would have to be relative to the case.

I doubt they'll make his do drug tests of even assign a probation officer. I think that stuff is decided by the judge. They'll just keep his name on file in case he shows up in court again.

61 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:52:34pm

re: #55 Obdicut
Ding Dong, ACORN's dead.
But Bertha popped right up again and got arrested, so maybe it'll rise phoenix-like and re-named.

62 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:53:25pm

BAGUA, are you here? I see you logged in to this thread.

Check this out.

(and OMG, how cool is it I can link to my very own LGF bloglet? Which is a great feature! Which deserves all sorts of support, doncha think? So hows about a cookbook or two?)

63 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:53:29pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I doubt they'll make his do drug tests of even assign a probation officer. I think that stuff is decided by the judge. They'll just keep his name on file in case he shows up in court again.

Yeah, it would have to be relevant to the case. This didn't involve drugs so it would be irrelevant. Unlike Lohan for example and her booze problem.

64 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:54:55pm

re: #59 Gus 802
I'm sure he's chastened. Since it's more or less the same crime,
how much time did the Sixty Minutes reporters get for illegally breaking into that supermarket for the meat expose? Or for faking that tire explosion?

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:55:22pm

re: #51 Thanos

These yo yo's are dumb enough to violate their probation agreement, bet we haven't heard the last of them.. .

I do get the feeling that this is the kid who's gonna keep pushing till he's in real trouble.

66 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:56:06pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, after hours and hours of guessing.
It was sabotage, and it's a good thing he's young and a first offender, whose Dad is a state representative.

67 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:56:49pm

re: #55 Obdicut

You mean getting Congress to pass a shitty law of attainder based on lies? Yeah, that was a great service to the community. Nothing like showing how easy it is to manipulate the government through a fake scandal.

Too bad Obama never did squat to defend Acorn. When the chips were down he tossed Acorn under the bus along with a number of other politically expendable casualties.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:57:03pm

re: #56 tradewind

Just how are three years of probation and hefty fines and time constraints cause for laissez les bon temps rouler?

He didn't go to jail. If I were his mom, I would be extremely happy about that.

69 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:57:35pm

re: #63 Gus 802
Someone needs to take that Lohan kid and put her into an actual rehab, not a day spa, before she ends up like Brittany Murphy. Sad, she had/has real talent.

70 Four More Tears  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:58:05pm

I despise this lying little sack of shit.

71 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:58:16pm

re: #64 tradewind

Road apples and oranges. Though I do agree there should be legal consequences for rigging desired results in a vehicle test expose.
/pretend there is a little accent mark on the "e".

72 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:58:20pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think that was really ever anticipated.
But yeah, in the case of his Mom, I am sure she had many sleepless nights.

73 Randall Gross  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:59:58pm

OT:
Art Linkletter, RIP
[Link: marquee.blogs.cnn.com...]

have to run again....

74 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:59:59pm

re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth
His conviction was for illegal entry. So though it may seem apply-orangey, it's technically quite similar.
Except that I don't believe they ( the crew) were ever actually prosecuted.
Oh well....

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:00:44pm

re: #66 tradewind

Yeah, after hours and hours of guessing.
It was sabotage, and it's a good thing he's young and a first offender, whose Dad is a state representative.

Trying to bug a senator's office, OTOH...

76 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:00:50pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

BAGUA, are you here? I see you logged in to this thread.

Check this out.

(and OMG, how cool is it I can link to my very own LGF bloglet? Which is a great feature! Which deserves all sorts of support, doncha think? So hows about a cookbook or two?)

Yeah, I think the LGF pages are working out really well. lots of good stuff being posted the past few days too.

77 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:01:15pm

re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth
( So glad I am not the only one who can't make those accents grave/egue appear. Maybe someone will tell us how to do it...).

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:01:34pm

re: #67 Spare O'Lake

Too bad Obama never did squat to defend Acorn. When the chips were down he tossed Acorn under the bus along with a number of other politically expendable casualties.

Yes, I'm sure you were sorely disappointed in his political expediency. You expected a lot more of him.

79 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:02:15pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

BAGUA, are you here? I see you logged in to this thread.

Check this out.

Yep, I'm back from a meeting.

I've read through the that thread and the comments. Without a doubt the BOP failure is secondary as that is a failsafe, only activated if there is already a problem. Pretty much everything I've read fits neatly with the observations your husband made. (Which were very helpful by the way.)

80 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:02:29pm

PIMF, aigu or egu./

81 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:02:43pm

Preemption. Because, you know, they're bound to come up...

Image: Invalid.jpg

82 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:03:17pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist
He's not the only one. When even Carville is ticked, he'd better start mending some Dem fences.

83 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:03:18pm

re: #49 Gus 802

I don't know. There's probably probation rules for Louisiana out there somewhere. I don't know if there are different level of probation either. Sometimes there are conditions like drug testing. I imagine it would have to be relative to the case.

Same here.

84 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:04:18pm

have fun infiltrating the piles of garbage along the highway mr. o'keefe

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:04:32pm

re: #82 tradewind

He's not the only one. When even Carville is ticked, he'd better start mending some Dem fences.

Poor Obama. He is surely doomed.

86 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:08:04pm

re: #82 tradewind

He's not the only one. When even Carville is ticked, he'd better start mending some Dem fences.

Carville's an idiot. What's Obama supposed to do wave his magic wand and stop the oil leak? Or blow his top at BP for this accident daily? The best qualified organization to stop the leak is BP. We have to wait and see what happens with this latest "top kill" attempt. Having the USCG or the US Army Corps of Engineers in the Gulf to attempt this would make no sense whatsoever.

87 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:08:11pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I doubt they'll make his do drug tests of even assign a probation officer. I think that stuff is decided by the judge. They'll just keep his name on file in case he shows up in court again.

I don't know about there, but in Texas you would. If you're on probation, you have a probation officer, and you don't do drugs or drink. You can get tested at random. And you pay for your own drug test, whether it's administered or not.

88 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:09:03pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist
Probably not so much. There's plenty of time to roil the base before 2012, although it may require his dropping the nickname No Drama Obama.
This too-cool-for-school thing is not playing well.

89 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:10:00pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, I'm sure you were sorely disappointed in his political expediency. You expected a lot more of him.

It is indeed one of his fatal flaws.

90 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:10:12pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, I'm sure you were sorely disappointed in his political expediency. You expected a lot more of him.

Lol, I suppose some would very much like to ignore the five ton elephant in the room going apeshit over heavily edited videos...

91 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:10:23pm

ACORN is hardly the hapless victim.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

92 Interesting Times  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:10:52pm

re: #77 tradewind

( So glad I am not the only one who can't make those accents grave/egue appear. Maybe someone will tell us how to do it...).

Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes*

Alt plus 0232 = é
Alt plus 0233 = è

*Numpad only. Won't work with numbers on top row of keyboard

93 Locker  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:12:20pm

re: #91 MandyManners

ACORN is hardly the hapless victim.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

And this is hardly the unbaised article. Opinion piece from the NY Post... riiiiight...

94 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:12:25pm
95 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:13:09pm
96 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:13:14pm

re: #86 Gus 802
He should have grabbed the BP execs and a few top scientists and locked them in a room with him presiding, and said ' You have a week to get a handle on this, and if you can't, we're coming in'. Even if technically this is not workable, he has shown very little passion aside from the fit of pique he displayed with the ' plug the damn hole'. He's waited far too long to even pay attention to what is arguably the biggest ecological disaster we have experienced. I can just see the four inch headlines had this been Bush.

97 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:13:15pm

re: #88 tradewind

Now... this case is a fine example of an actual crime being committed, and a real cover up and a real lack of transparency. I just want to point that out to the conservatives who are harping on this silly Sestek "job offer" thing which is no more than someone offering some political favors, which is and extremely common and accepted practice in our country.

Willful breaking and entry in hopes to manipulate political races and outcomes, like O'Keefe has been doing, is not accepted practice in our country.

He needs to cover his ass better the next time, or have the president behind him. That will keep him out of trouble.

98 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:13:32pm

Oh, I could go on but, I won't.

99 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:13:38pm

re: #92 publicityStunted
Will it work for a mac?

100 Reginald Perrin  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:14:16pm

re: #84 SpaceJesus

Word on the street has it that you were banned at the stalker blog.

Is it true?

101 lawhawk  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:14:20pm

re: #93 Locker

ACORN did have shady connections, and it does live on with its political party spinoff - the WFP, which is active in NY.

102 Cineaste  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:14:37pm

I'm sure this numnutz will claim that making his videos for Fox News is "community service"...

103 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:15:03pm

ACORN, the right's version of I BLAME BUSH

104 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:15:11pm
105 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:15:15pm

re: #95 MandyManners
He literally got his start with them and then who me, what, ACORN?
Not that he didn't have to. Bertha Lewis would not have been his best campaign spokesman.

106 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:15:27pm

Andrew Breitbart's Tweets on O'Keefe. Someone mentioned his possible response above.

@MattOrtega What's your over/under in days/years on O'Keefe's next undercover investigation, Twitterstud?

UPDATE: James O’Keefe promises more undercover investigations...

ACORN 'pimp' pleads guilty of MISDEMEANOR in phone stunt at Sen. Landrieu's office... #watergatejr

107 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:16:02pm
108 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:16:20pm

re: #101 lawhawk
Masterfully understated and so true.

109 Cineaste  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:16:29pm

re: #99 tradewind

Will it work for a mac?

On a mac:

accent egue = option-e and then the letter you want the accent on
accent grave = option-tilda (above the tab key) and then the letter you want the accent on

for example: é or è

110 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:16:34pm

re: #98 MandyManners

Oh, I could go on but, I won't.

The denial is strong among the pack.

111 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:16:35pm

re: #100 Reginald Perrin

Word on the street has it that you were banned at the stalker blog.

Is it true?


yup, they're trying to find out who i am in real life too right now

112 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:17:10pm
113 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:17:22pm

re: #111 SpaceJesus

yup, they're trying to find out who i am in real life too right now

A myth.

114 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:17:27pm

Let the wingnut celebrations begin!

From Big Journalism:

Mainstream Media, MSNBC Get Huge Black Eye From O’Keefe and ‘Watergate, Jr.’

Black eye for the MSM!

More highly predictable responses to come I'm sure.

115 Locker  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:17:52pm

[Link: www.allvoices.com...]

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

[Link: blacksheepone.wordpress.com...]

I could go on... but I won't.

116 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:17:59pm

re: #110 Spare O'Lake

The denial is strong among the pack.

Yep, some just can't get over ACORN...
Oh, you meant...

117 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:18:10pm
118 Locker  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:19:24pm

Flat earthers sure get pissed when reality is at odds with their dogma. Repeating the same old meme over and over and over without regard to the unique concept of changing information.

119 sagehen  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:20:00pm

Is this conviction going to make it tough for him to ever get a job that requires a security clearance?

120 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:20:01pm

re: #97 Walter L. Newton
Except that in the Sestak thing, I am sure that the job offer was very. carefully. worded.
Because it is much more than just a political favor, if it is as he has stated. It is a violation of federal code, 18USC-600 , which says that you -- a federal official-- cannot promise an employment, a job in the federal government, in return for a political act.

121 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:20:16pm

I'm no fan of ACORN.

That being said, the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend.

Not that I would classify ACORN as "my enemy."

122 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:20:23pm
123 Interesting Times  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:20:50pm

re: #99 tradewind

Cineaste explains above. Those codes are also described on this page from the same site I linked earlier.

124 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:20:52pm

Knickers in a twist?

125 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:20:59pm

re: #121 Gus 802

I'm no fan of ACORN.

That being said, the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend.

Not that I would classify ACORN as "my enemy."

The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy. Nothing more, almost certainly less.

126 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:21:06pm

re: #122 MandyManners
Mighty hoax from little ACORNS grew./

127 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:21:41pm

re: #73 Thanos

OT:
Art Linkletter, RIP
[Link: marquee.blogs.cnn.com...]

have to run again...

How old was he, 149?

128 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:02pm

re: #127 Alouette

How old was he, 149?

Close, 97.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:16pm

re: #90 Varek Raith

Lol, I suppose some would very much like to ignore the five ton elephant in the room going apeshit over heavily edited videos...

I like elephants. Did you know that in India they paint them for holidays?

130 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:22pm

re: #115 Locker

[Link: www.allvoices.com...]

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

[Link: blacksheepone.wordpress.com...]

I could go on... but I won't.

ACORN is a foul organization and I'm glad they got dragged through the mud. Just because O'Keefe is exposed as a jackass doesn't mean that everyone he dislikes is peachy.

131 Reginald Perrin  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:26pm

re: #111 SpaceJesus

yup, they're trying to find out who i am in real life too right now

Welcome to the club.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, the intellectual midgets have been trying to track me done for more than two years.

Did the rodent do the, "I have a friend in the FBI who is going to trace your IP number"? Don't worry about it, the only friends he has are the voices in his head.

132 Locker  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:33pm

Who’s Afraid of ACORN, and Why


It’s important to understand the deep roots of the right’s fear and loathing of ACORN and the lengths they’ve gone to to stifle the group’s efforts to broaden Americans’ electoral participation.

Last summer, I reported in Shelterforce magazine on the Republican-directed vendetta against voter registration, orchestrated from the White House against those, like the grass-roots anti-poverty group ACORN, who have a history of working to register poor and minority voters. The vendetta backfired and helped lead to the firing of New Mexico’s U.S. attorney David C. Iglesias, who infuriated state GOP operatives for failing to go after voter-fraud allegations with sufficient zeal.

ACORN came under White House fire after registering more than 1.6 million voters in the past two national elections: mostly poor and minority people who tend to vote Democratic, and mostly in swing states. Republican operatives went after ACORN hard, with a media smear campaign, trumped-up lawsuits in Florida, New Mexico, and Ohio, and pressure on state law-enforcement officials to file criminal charges against the group. Days before the 2006 election, a U.S. attorney in Kansas City brought a voter-fraud indictment against four people registering voters for ACORN, spurring a congressional investigation led by Iowa’s Republican Sen. Charles Grassley.

The GOP voter-fraud vendetta might have remained exactly where Bush loyalists wanted it—below the radar of the press—had it not been for the scandal surrounding the firing of eight U. S. attorneys, including David C. Iglesias of New Mexico. Iglesias lost his job in December 2005 after he declined to prosecute a voter-fraud case against ACORN, which had been registering large numbers of voters in the state’s low-income and largely minority neighborhoods in 2004. Prominent New Mexico Republicans, including U.S. Senator Pete Domenici, had repeatedly complained to chief White House political strategist Karl Rove about Iglesias’ failure to bring voter-fraud indictments. Once Iglesias said he couldn’t prove a case against ACORN, his days were numbered.

ACORN became a target because of its successful voter-registration work. As the 2004 election approached, then-Attorney-General John Ashcroft launched a broad initiative to crack down on supposed voter fraud in battleground states, including Florida, Missouri, Ohio, and New Mexico, where ACORN was making headway registering voters. In all of those states, Republicans filed suits against ACORN for voter fraud, and, in every case, ACORN was exonerated.

Nevertheless, conservative media continued to smear the group. In October of 2004, right-wing news outlets pounced on a story about the organization mishandling voter forms and, according to Rush Limbaugh, “trying to register voters two and three times.” Two years later, after the 2006 election, the Wall Street Journal promoted claims that ACORN was under scrutiny for election irregularities with one headline blaring, “A union-backed outfit faces charges of election fraud.” An editorial included an allegation—that ACORN gave cocaine to a worker in exchange for fraudulent registrations—that was a complete fabrication.

133 freetoken  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:40pm

bwahaha..... linking to GatewayPundit.... hehe....

134 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:51pm

re: #119 sagehen
You would think so.
But then again, half of the Clinton WH staffers couldn't get one, so where's the harm in that./

135 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:52pm

re: #130 cliffster

ACORN is a foul organization and I'm glad they got dragged through the mud. Just because O'Keefe is exposed as a jackass doesn't mean that everyone he dislikes is peachy.

Ends justify the means, eh?

136 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:22:52pm

re: #120 tradewind

Except that in the Sestak thing, I am sure that the job offer was very. carefully. worded.
Because it is much more than just a political favor, if it is as he has stated. It is a violation of federal code, 18USC-600 , which says that you -- a federal official-- cannot promise an employment, a job in the federal government, in return for a political act.

You must be thinking of a different administration... this is not a violation of anything in this administration.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:23:06pm

re: #91 MandyManners

ACORN is hardly the hapless victim.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

What about Senator Landrieu?

138 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:23:38pm

re: #131 Reginald Perrin
lol a friend in the FBI/
Boy have I got news for you.....

139 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:23:39pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

Ends justify the means, eh?

well, ends are the ends, and the means is water under the bridge.

140 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:23:59pm

re: #104 Bagua

Key Questions Arising from Inquiry into the Deepwater Horizon Gulf of Mexico
Oil Spill

In addition, the method of displacing the drilling mud with seawater may have interfered with the monitoring of the flow levels from the well because the mud was transferred to another boat instead of measured in the mud pits. Moreover, mudloggers were not informed when the offloading of drilling mud to the other boat was stopped.

That bolded part above is one point the Roi had questions about - he told me that transferring the mud to a boat at this point during this process is never done (or should never be done). For one thing, if there is a problem (like this one), you don't want there to be a possibility of it spreading to the boat that would be rescuing you.


The BP investigation has also raised concerns about the maintenance history, modification, inspection, and testing of the BOP.

Modification of the BOP - the Roi believes there were modifications done 2 years ago, at the request of BP, and then never reversed.

141 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:24:15pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist
It's Louisiana. They know their politicians are corrupted, they accept it, it's organic, and it works for them./

142 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:24:19pm

re: #131 Reginald Perrin

something like that. if they just google'd spacejesus they could find my real name if they wanted but i don't think they're that smart.


also, hello rodan

143 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:24:42pm

re: #139 cliffster

well, ends are the ends, and the means is water under the bridge.

Just remember that the next time a crappy GOP-aligned organization is destroyed by a lying left winger, mmmkay?

144 Interesting Times  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:24:45pm

ACORN rage is all the rage? This comment from Balloon Juice (though originally meant to describe something else) sums it up perfectly:

The right-wing resentment he’s trying to stir up will probably work pretty well among a certain part of the population, ironically those who have been most hurt by the conmen and tricksters of Wall Street.

When Santelli says "those people" are getting a free handout from the government, we all know who he’s talking about. He’s not talking about YOU, white blue collar Joe, he’s talking about the shiftless lazy n***ers who got more government welfare in the form of subprime loans from Freddie and Fannie. It’s them lowlife blacks who are causing our problems, white middle class America! Get the rope!

Same as it always was. Turn the angry mob against the poorest and the least able to defend themselves, while you pick the mob’s pockets.

Has it ever NOT worked in this country?

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:25:03pm

re: #96 tradewind

He should have grabbed the BP execs and a few top scientists and locked them in a room with him presiding, and said ' You have a week to get a handle on this, and if you can't, we're coming in'. Even if technically this is not workable, he has shown very little passion aside from the fit of pique he displayed with the ' plug the damn hole'. He's waited far too long to even pay attention to what is arguably the biggest ecological disaster we have experienced. I can just see the four inch headlines had this been Bush.

And I can just see the vindications of Bush being posted here.

146 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:25:20pm

OT (unless we broaden the topic to public ignorance in general).

I've mentioned the young Moon hoax believer who didn't know that countries other than the US had military forces.
I ran across another one the other day. This one had never heard of inflation.
I had taken my Rolls-Royce out, since it was a nice day, and happened to stop by a favorite local book store. A young chap who pulled in at the same time I did complimented the car but had to add that he didn't think any car was worth $600,000.
I told him that it didn't cost anything like that, since it was 40 years old when I got it.
He said he meant new. I responded that it had in fact cost 21,200 dollars new. He was incredulous and said you couldn't get a Toyota for that. I said you could in 1968. He asked why that was different and I said, "Er, things cost a lot less back then. A new Camaro was like $3000 back then and minimum wage was a dollar an hour."
HE SAID I WAS PULLING HIS LEG, NOBODY WOULD WORK FOR A DOLLAR AN HOUR, and that a dollar then was still a dollar. He did promise to check it out though. I asked him what he did for a living. He said he was an IT student at the local junior college, and about to graduate.

147 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:25:47pm

re: #143 Varek Raith

Just remember that the next time a crappy GOP-aligned organization is destroyed by a lying left winger, mmmkay?

ACORN was only "destroyed" by yanking funding. GOP-aligned organizations don't get government money ;)

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:25:57pm

re: #110 Spare O'Lake

The denial is strong among the pack.

Denial? I thought it was a feeding frenzy. Do go on.

149 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:26:02pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton
Has the federal code been changed, Walter?
Because if Sestak was offered the quid pro quo ( or quid pro quit, as the case may be) by this administration and promised the job of Secy' of the Navy in return, it is indeed a violation.

150 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:26:17pm

If you're in the mood for some laughs just Google "ACORN stole the election."

151 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:26:34pm

re: #149 tradewind

Has the federal code been changed, Walter?
Because if Sestak was offered the quid pro quo ( or quid pro quit, as the case may be) by this administration and promised the job of Secy' of the Navy in return, it is indeed a violation.

YHBTBW.

152 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:26:47pm

re: #144 publicityStunted
If you're gonna quote Balloon Juice, someone needs to fire back with a RCP link, or something.
For balance./

153 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:27:54pm

re: #150 Gus 802

If you're in the mood for some laughs just Google "ACORN stole the election."

This link works better: ACORN stole.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:28:12pm

re: #119 sagehen

Is this conviction going to make it tough for him to ever get a job that requires a security clearance?

Who in God's name would hire this kid to do a job that requires a security clearance?

155 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:28:52pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

Who in God's name would hire this kid to do a job that requires a security clearance?

President Skroob.

156 Locker  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:28:54pm

re: #147 cliffster

ACORN was only "destroyed" by yanking funding. GOP-aligned organizations don't get government money ;)

They don't huh? I wonder who US Auto Makers and Banks are aligned with not to mention Haliburton. Kind of interesting how ACORN's 10 years of funding is less than one day of Iraq war contracting for Haliburton.

157 freetoken  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:28:56pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

I asked him what he did for a living. He said he was an IT student at the local junior college, and about to graduate.

My (very limited) experience with IT students at a local community college left me with the impression that they are taught little more than how to screw nut A onto bolt B, so to speak.

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:29:07pm

re: #124 MandyManners

Knickers in a twist?

Sitting back and watching while people engage in a ritual dance shouldn't be considered an expression of disapproval.

159 Slap  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:29:16pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

Joe the Watergate Plumber?

160 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:29:37pm
161 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:30:20pm

re: #151 Varek Raith
Not that I'm great with the internet-speak anyway, but that's a new one.
?

162 Locker  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:30:24pm

re: #124 MandyManners

Knickers in a twist?

Laugh this coming from the compulsive link spammer? What's the matter can't you find any Israel is great and all Muslims suck links today? Falling back on your old whipping pony?

HILARIOUS!

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:30:45pm

re: #138 tradewind

lol a friend in the FBI/
Boy have I got news for you...

I have a friend in the FBI. But he's not going to look up anyone's information because I got mad at them on the Internet.

164 lawhawk  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:30:55pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

What's the code? 1...2...3..4..5...

What kind of idiot uses that as their password?

165 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:31:24pm

re: #161 tradewind

Not that I'm great with the internet-speak anyway, but that's a new one.
?


Stands for,

You Have Been Trolled By Walter.

It's his new thing. Pretending to be a moonbat, among others.
Funny, he is.
:)

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:31:27pm

re: #141 tradewind

It's Louisiana. They know their politicians are corrupted, they accept it, it's organic, and it works for them./

So, really, no harm done. She's a Louisiana senator, so she must be corrupt.

167 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:31:30pm

re: #156 Locker
Yeah, and registering non-existent voters is so equivalent to building bridges for troops to cross./

168 freetoken  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:31:38pm

re: #160 Gus 802

And another 1/4 of Republicans think Obama is the Antichrist.... ODS is more prevalent than was BDS.

169 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:31:56pm

re: #156 Locker

They don't huh? I wonder who US Auto Makers and Banks are aligned with not to mention Haliburton. Kind of interesting how ACORN's 10 years of funding is less than one day of Iraq war contracting for Haliburton.

hehe, you honestly think that comparing Haliburton to ACORN makes any sense at all?

170 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:32:10pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist
My point being that it doesn't take a Fed.
:)

171 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:33:03pm

re: #167 tradewind

Yeah, and registering non-existent voters is so equivalent to building bridges for troops to cross./

What about electrocution due to shitty work?

172 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:33:18pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist
She's Moon's baby girl.
I'm just saying.

173 Locker  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:33:24pm

re: #167 tradewind

Yeah, and registering non-existent voters is so equivalent to building bridges for troops to cross./

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Here lets try this again...

Yea and registering non-existent voters is so equivalent to taking down the economy and being propped up by tax payers. Not to mention the fact that we are talking about who takes government money... which you conveniently failed to address.

174 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:33:27pm

re: #141 tradewind

It's Louisiana. They know their politicians are corrupted, they accept it, it's organic, and it works for them./

now, now.
I'm not a huge fan of Mary Landrieu.

But, except for one incident years ago that came to nothing, there's never been a hint that she is corrupt.

Stupid, yeah.
Corrupt - no.

175 prairiefire  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:33:30pm

re: #69 tradewind

Someone needs to take that Lohan kid and put her into an actual rehab, not a day spa, before she ends up like Brittany Murphy. Sad, she had/has real talent.

Brittany Murphy did not die from elicit drugs.

176 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:33:44pm

re: #168 freetoken

And another 1/4 of Republicans think Obama is the Antichrist... ODS is more prevalent than was BDS.

I will refer anyone to the Geometry teacher plotting the assassin's bullet to Obama when they say Bush got it too.

177 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:34:10pm

re: #171 Varek Raith
Oh hell, let's go back to Frank Hulse and defective shells sent to Vietnam./

178 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:34:30pm

re: #111 SpaceJesus

yup, they're trying to find out who i am in real life too right now

keep an eye out on twitter.
They luuuuuurve to set up twitter accounts and tweet under other people's names and nics. They think it's clever or something.

179 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:34:32pm

re: #96 tradewind

He's waited far too long to even pay attention to what is arguably the biggest ecological disaster we have experienced. I can just see the four inch headlines had this been Bush.

Seriously?
He's waited far to long to pay attention?
This is a silly, silly narrative being pushed by both the GOP and the Firebaggers.

180 prairiefire  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:34:47pm

re: #174 reine.de.tout

Reine, what do you think of your Governor's response to the oil spill crises?

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:34:50pm

re: #147 cliffster

ACORN was only "destroyed" by yanking funding. GOP-aligned organizations don't get government money ;)

Abstinence-only programs, for example, have never received Federal funding...;)

182 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:34:53pm

re: #177 tradewind

Oh hell, let's go back to Frank Hulse and defective shells sent to Vietnam./

Why not?
Ayers gets brought up a lot...

Having fun, I am.
:)

183 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:35:17pm

re: #111 SpaceJesus

yup, they're trying to find out who i am in real life too right now

Well, you have the whole trinity thing going on, doncha?
Should hold 'em up awhile.

184 Locker  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:35:42pm

re: #169 cliffster

hehe, you honestly think that comparing Haliburton to ACORN makes any sense at all?

You are the one who kicked out this nonsensical gem so why are you bitching?

re: #147 cliffster

ACORN was only "destroyed" by yanking funding. GOP-aligned organizations don't get government money ;)

So I instantly respond with GOP aligned organizations who do get government money and you say it doesn't make sense? WTF is this the Chewbacca defense?

185 Interesting Times  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:36:24pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

What about electrocution due to shitty work?

Or locking a rape victim in a shipping container?

In a lawsuit filed in federal court against Halliburton and its then-subsidiary KBR, Jones says she was held in the shipping container for at least 24 hours without food or water by KBR, which posted armed security guards outside her door, who would not let her leave.

186 Gus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:36:30pm

BBL, have to go work on some work for a bit.

187 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:36:51pm

re: #174 reine.de.tout
Reine, I love LA. Lived there not nearly long enough ( four years). And there was a slash mark after my comment.
I don't know a thing about Mary Landrieu's political scruples. I'll take your word for it.
Well, except that she didn't bat an eye at the Louisiana Purchase add- on to the HCA. But it was all out in the open, which kind of makes my point.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:36:55pm

re: #160 Gus 802

A look back...

Poll: 52 Percent of Republicans Say ACORN Stole the 2008 Election

It's not that they're not scuzzy around the edges. It's just that they don't really have evil superpowers.

189 bratwurst  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:37:11pm

re: #182 Varek Raith


Ayers gets brought up a lot...


If you watch Glenn Beck you would think Ayers and Van Jones were on Obama's cabinet!

190 Reginald Perrin  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:37:19pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

I have a friend in the FBI. But he's not going to look up anyone's information because I got mad at them on the Internet.

In my case it is a bit more complicated. I am posting from Canada, so the FBI do not have direct access.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:37:36pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

I have a friend in the FBI. But he's not going to look up anyone's information because I got mad at them on the Internet.

And he'd yell at me if I even suggested it.

192 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:37:51pm

re: #184 Locker

Cochran
...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Gerald Broflovski
Damn it!... He's using the Chewbacca defense!

Cochran
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

193 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:39:10pm

re: #179 webevintage
How long had the spill been leaking before POTUS addressed it? Depending on whether you take the NYT's figures ( 12 days) or another source's nine, it was a long time of nuthin'.
Well, Golf, and some spa time.

194 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:39:17pm

re: #189 bratwurst

If you watch Glenn Beck you would think Ayers and Van Jones were on Obama's cabinet!

They are!
The super skerit commie one that he meets with in the bowling alley...they are the ones really running this country.
/

195 freetoken  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:39:33pm

re: #111 SpaceJesus

yup, they're trying to find out who i am in real life too right now

They're hunting for the birth certificate of course...

196 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:39:41pm

re: #180 prairiefire

Reine, what do you think of your Governor's response to the oil spill crises?

Like Obama, he is doing as much as he's able to do.

I'm not a big fan of Jindal, I've been disappointed in him.

HOWEVER, the Corps of Engineers is so busy studying the "environmental impact" of building sand berms using the sand already on the coast to keep the oil from coming ashore, that they haven't managed to issue the permits yet. LOL. As if the oil coming ashore won't have an environmental impact.

At any rate - Jindal has ordered the work to begin anyhow, to hell with the permits. Lots of folks happy that he's taking some sort of action instead of playing the waiting game. But honestly, there is simply a limited amount of stuff the state or the feds can do. As someone pointed out earlier, BP has the technical expertise and access to equipment needed to stop this thing - not the government.

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:40:11pm

re: #167 tradewind

Yeah, and registering non-existent voters is so equivalent to building bridges for troops to cross./

Oh good Lord.

198 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:40:13pm

re: #193 tradewind

How long had the spill been leaking before POTUS addressed it? Depending on whether you take the NYT's figures ( 12 days) or another source's nine, it was a long time of nuthin'.
Well, Golf, and some spa time.

They were on it day one... didn't you hear Obama AND Gibbs tell us that?

199 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:40:44pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Well, you have the whole trinity thing going on, doncha?
Should hold 'em up awhile.


also one of them called 'speranza' posted the fake email address i signed up there with thinking it was actually mine. they seriously think i would ever give them my real gmail address or something.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:40:47pm

re: #168 freetoken

And another 1/4 of Republicans think Obama is the Antichrist... ODS is more prevalent than was BDS.

Or at least, it's more surreal.

201 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:41:58pm

re: #182 Varek Raith
There are often a lot of six-degrees-of-separation=you're guilty allegations regarding different right wing nutjobs. Seems only fair the left should share the love.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:42:00pm

re: #172 tradewind

She's Moon's baby girl.
I'm just saying.

So, really, hardly a crime at all to enter her office under false pretenses. It's not like it happened to a REAL Senator.

203 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:42:06pm

re: #184 Locker

So I instantly respond with GOP aligned organizations who do get government money and you say it doesn't make sense? WTF is this the Chewbacca defense?

er, I was being tongue-in-cheek about the GOP-aligned organizations bit. Still, though, it's a silly comparison. The US purchased goods and services from Haliburton, much as you may purchase stuff at the grocery store. The US gave money to ACORN, much as you may give money to the American Cancer Society.

204 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:42:15pm

re: #187 tradewind

Reine, I love LA. Lived there not nearly long enough ( four years). And there was a slash mark after my comment.
I don't know a thing about Mary Landrieu's political scruples. I'll take your word for it.
Well, except that she didn't bat an eye at the Louisiana Purchase add- on to the HCA. But it was all out in the open, which kind of makes my point.

Oh, I saw the slash mark. Just putting in my .02
The Landrieus are not the brightest bulbs in the pack.
But I've not heard a hint of scandal about Mary or Mitch (who is the new mayor of New Orleans).

205 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:42:17pm

re: #193 tradewind

How long had the spill been leaking before POTUS addressed it? Depending on whether you take the NYT's figures ( 12 days) or another source's nine, it was a long time of nuthin'.
Well, Golf, and some spa time.

So you are talking about a photo opp or a speech, not what actually was being worked on?

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:42:44pm

re: #177 tradewind

Oh hell, let's go back to Frank Hulse and defective shells sent to Vietnam./

I'm sure we will in another minute. Someone say something about the Weathermen!

207 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:43:01pm

re: #198 Walter L. Newton
Oh, mea culpa. Darn it./
Thanks for reminding me.
:)

208 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:43:01pm

re: #199 SpaceJesus

also one of them called 'speranza' posted the fake email address i signed up there with thinking it was actually mine. they seriously think i would ever give them my real gmail address or something.

"speranza" is a nasty, vile piece of work.
seems to feed on causing grief to others.

209 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:44:02pm

re: #208 reine.de.tout

"speranza" is a nasty, vile piece of work.
seems to feed on causing grief to others.

maybe I should go check the place out every once in awhile.

210 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:44:11pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
What hat did you draw that one out of? Because I certainly never said or even thought it.

211 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:44:29pm

Heh, if I didn't know better, it would seem some on the right think this is true...
Image: obama_superman.jpg

212 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:44:58pm

re: #149 tradewind

So is it your position that Obama cannot offer a job to anyone previously employed, because that would imply that he wants them to leave their current job and stop seeking new employment?

You argument makes absolutely no sense, on it's face. Offering someone a job of this type necessarily means that the person to whom the job is offered cannot perform another job simultaneously. Period. No scandal, no controversy. I would think it is common sense, but apparently not.

213 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:44:59pm

Not to brag, but if I don't, Cato's too modest to do it, so:

Cato & I called this ages ago; the first sight of this guy and the way he wore his jacket and knotted his tie, and we could see he was bound for trouble of some sort.

Clothes don't make the man, but, as Polonius noted, "...apparel oft proclaims the man."

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:45:18pm

re: #189 bratwurst

If you watch Glenn Beck you would think Ayers and Van Jones were on Obama's cabinet!

They're not?

What about Bertha Lewis?

215 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:45:23pm

re: #211 Varek Raith

Heh, if I didn't know better, it would seem some on the right think this is true...
Image: obama_superman.jpg

No... I see him more like this...

Image: obama-christ.jpg

216 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:46:02pm

re: #189 bratwurst

If you watch Glenn Beck you would think Ayers and Van Jones were on Obama's cabinet!

They're not on his cabinet, but they do hang out in his kitchen.

217 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:46:28pm

re: #213 Guanxi88

Not to brag, but if I don't, Cato's too modest to do it, so:

Cato & I called this ages ago; the first sight of this guy and the way he wore his jacket and knotted his tie, and we could see he was bound for trouble of some sort.

Clothes don't make the man, but, as Polonius noted, "...apparel oft proclaims the man."

That was hard to do? He was fucking dressed like a bad Hollywood version of a pimp.

218 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:47:15pm

re: #208 reine.de.tout

"speranza" is a nasty, vile piece of work.
seems to feed on causing grief to others.


little do they know i am actually charles of course

219 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:47:19pm

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

That was hard to do? He was fucking dressed like a bad Hollywood version of a pimp.

No, I mean in that photo of him with the Other McCain... oh, wait.

220 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:47:33pm

re: #175 prairiefire
True, not technically. She had a weakened immune system and pneumonia, but also a well known history of prescription drug and other substance abuse that didn't exactly promote health.

221 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:48:51pm

re: #193 tradewind

How long had the spill been leaking before POTUS addressed it? Depending on whether you take the NYT's figures ( 12 days) or another source's nine, it was a long time of nuthin'.
Well, Golf, and some spa time.

Right. Have you fed your Unicorn today?

[Link: sharing.govdelivery.com...]

Captain of the port zones are present on every single part of the coastline of the United States. When they have to activate a response, the local Coast Guard commander is designated the federal on-scene coordinator and coordinates with state and local governments and directs the responsible party in the cleanup, the admiral explained.

"That is the way we have been prosecuting this case since the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon on the 20th of April," he said. "Even in advance of the sinking of the drilling unit, we were staging equipment that was against the scenario we would have a worst-case spill.

"We started actually mobilizing equipment salvage engineers and everything right after the event happened into the 21st of April," he added.

222 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:49:42pm
223 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:50:35pm

re: #210 tradewind

What hat did you draw that one out of? Because I certainly never said or even thought it.

I'm being sarcastic, however, I do find it disturbing that every time this situation has come up, people have rushed to suggest that Landrieu is tainted. Sarc tag or no, you're muddying the waters when you suggest that she's corrupt.

This little moron O'Keefe tried to get access to a U.S. senator's office under false and criminal pretenses, and I cannot IMAGINE the howling that would have gone up if a bunch of Berkeley students had done this to a Republican.

224 prairiefire  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:50:36pm

re: #213 Guanxi88

Not to brag, but if I don't, Cato's too modest to do it, so:

Cato & I called this ages ago; the first sight of this guy and the way he wore his jacket and knotted his tie, and we could see he was bound for trouble of some sort.

Clothes don't make the man, but, as Polonius noted, "...apparel oft proclaims the man."

I thought it was his weasel, snarky eyes.

225 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:50:52pm

re: #222 webevintage

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Shush, don't spoil it for the chuckle heads and concern trolls.

226 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:51:17pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm being sarcastic, however, I do find it disturbing that every time this situation has come up, people have rushed to suggest that Landrieu is tainted. Sarc tag or no, you're muddying the waters when you suggest that she's corrupt.

This little moron O'Keefe tried to get access to a U.S. senator's office under false and criminal pretenses, and I cannot IMAGINE the howling that would have gone up if a bunch of Berkeley students had done this to a Republican.

COOODDDDEEEE PIIINNNKKK!!!

227 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:51:19pm

re: #221 Jeff In Ohio
President Allen? Really?
I didn't say no one addressed it. I said the President.
Oh, right... Day One... Gibbs.... forgot.

228 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:52:09pm

re: #224 prairiefire

I thought it was his weasel, snarky eyes.

I've got those, and a clean rap sheet. No, this guy's trouble goes right to the core; it comes out in little ways - surreptitious entry, tying a half-windsor, that sort of thing.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:52:09pm

re: #226 Varek Raith

COOODDDEEE PIIINNNKKK!!!

Code Pink can't do anything under cover. The pink coveralls and wigs and big fake wrenches would have given them away.

230 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:52:20pm

re: #227 tradewind

President Allen? Really?
I didn't say no one addressed it. I said the President.
Oh, right... Day One... Gibbs... forgot.

Please stop. It's embarrassing for the adults.

231 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:52:31pm

Whoopsy, big thunder boomers and everything's outside.
Outie.

232 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:52:33pm

re: #227 tradewind

President Allen? Really?
I didn't say no one addressed it. I said the President.
Oh, right... Day One... Gibbs... forgot.

WTH?
You are seriously expecting a "feel good" statement?
Because, that's all he could've done.

233 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:52:38pm

re: #225 Jeff In Ohio

Shush, don't spoil it for the chuckle heads and concern trolls.

Well, they just backdated it, you know that./

234 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:52:59pm

re: #230 Jeff In Ohio
Complain to the NYT.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:53:28pm

re: #231 tradewind

Whoopsy, big thunder boomers and everything's outside.
Outie.

Stay dry.

236 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:54:33pm

re: #234 tradewind

Complain to the NYT.

I tried, but can't get anyone on the phone. Seems their line's been disconnected for non-payment.

How long till some domain squatter uses godaddy to squat on nytimes.com?

237 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:55:26pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Code Pink can't do anything under cover. The pink coveralls and wigs and big fake wrenches would have given them away.

O'Keefe was dressed like a male Code Pinko.

238 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:55:35pm

re: #234 tradewind

Complain to the NYT.

I'll call them and see what they say. I'm still waiting for the return calls from hospital administrators in California and Arizona to confirm the incidents of pregnant illegals crossing the desert in attempts to deposit their anchor babies on American soil, but then dying.

239 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:56:18pm

Wow David Weigel really stepped in it by not worshipping at the Ma Palin altar.
His lateset tweet:

re: #225 Jeff In Ohio

Shush, don't spoil it for the chuckle heads and concern trolls.

Can't. Help. It.

240 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:57:21pm

re: #239 webevintage

re-do

241 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:57:35pm

re: #227 tradewind

President Allen? Really?
I didn't say no one addressed it. I said the President.
Oh, right... Day One... Gibbs... forgot.

So the optics are more important to you then what was actually happening and how the President was responding because words are more important then action?

242 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:58:17pm

re: #239 webevintage

Wow David Weigel really stepped in it by not worshipping at the Ma Palin altar.
His lateset tweet:

Can't. Help. It.

Wait, he's tweeting my stuff. That bustard!

243 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:59:00pm

re: #241 webevintage

But he really is so very concerned.

244 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:59:02pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

re-do

;-)

Wow David Weigel really stepped in it by not worshipping at the Ma Palin altar.
His latest tweet:

Hatemail of the day: "Jews like you reek with the smell of oooozzzzzzzing feces coming out of your vile perverted worthless mouth."

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:59:10pm

re: #242 Jeff In Ohio

Wait, he's tweeting my stuff. That bustard!

Dave Weigel is a bird?

246 Cato the Elder  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:59:21pm

Were the 9/11 families properly consulted before this sentence was handed down?

247 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:59:56pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Denial? I thought it was a feeding frenzy. Do go on.

So you are accusing me of denying that the pack is on a feeding frenzy? How silly.

BTW, for me it has always been more a case of Obama's propensity for ababandoning his supporters that has been the more interesting phenomenon. Remember how Obama similarly expedited Van Jones' pathway to the undercarriage of the bus?
Acorn was a Dem tool, which Obama used and then spit out the window.
Van Jones was a dedicated supporter who laid down his political career for BHO, whereas the Prez just sat on his ass and let him go down.
Fascinating, no?

248 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:01:15pm

re: #243 Fozzie Bear

But he really is so very concerned.

The children, what about the children?

249 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:01:23pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh good Lord.

That's their story and there sticking to it, don't you know that acorn registered millions of false voters all of whom combined to elect Obama over the votes of the actual and legal voters? /

Nevermind the three seperate legal investigations one of them by the United States Congress's investigators which found absolutely no evidence of fraudulent registrations making it through processing by the county clerks or of even a single vote having been cast by any of the false "Acorn" registrations. The fact that Acorn flagged the suspected fraudulent registrations and reported them when turning them in, the fact that it would have been a felony to not turn them in even if suspected of being false, those are ignored.

It is a fixed Republican meme that many believe even when all the evidence says that it is completely false. Acorn stole the election from the God fearing conservative White People!

/

250 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:01:35pm

re: #248 Jeff In Ohio

The children, what about the children?

What have they ever done for us, that's what I'd like to know?

251 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:01:50pm

re: #247 Spare O'Lake


Fascinating, no?

Not even a bit.

252 bratwurst  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:02:26pm

re: #246 Cato the Elder

Were the 9/11 families properly consulted before this sentence was handed down?

Doesn't seem SO long ago when there were COMPLAINTS from the right side of the aisle when 9/11 families spoke out...that pendulum sure can swing.

253 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:02:30pm

re: #247 Spare O'Lake


Fascinating, no?

No, not really.

254 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:02:44pm

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

So you are accusing me of denying that the pack is on a feeding frenzy? How silly.

BTW, for me it has always been more a case of Obama's propensity for ababandoning his supporters that has been the more interesting phenomenon. Remember how Obama similarly expedited Van Jones' pathway to the undercarriage of the bus?
Acorn was a Dem tool, which Obama used and then spit out the window.
Van Jones was a dedicated supporter who laid down his political career for BHO, whereas the Prez just sat on his ass and let him go down.
Fascinating, no?

You talk about Obama's "propensity for ababandoning his supporters..." you're not being truthful... see... well... what about... let's see... yea... what about Sestak and the job that was offered to him?

Does that sound like being abandoned by the Obama administration?

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:02:45pm

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

So you are accusing me of denying that the pack is on a feeding frenzy? How silly.

BTW, for me it has always been more a case of Obama's propensity for ababandoning his supporters that has been the more interesting phenomenon. Remember how Obama similarly expedited Van Jones' pathway to the undercarriage of the bus?
Acorn was a Dem tool, which Obama used and then spit out the window.
Van Jones was a dedicated supporter who laid down his political career for BHO, whereas the Prez just sat on his ass and let him go down.
Fascinating, no?

I think that most of these things are complete irrelevancies which have been blown up to cosmic status by people who can't stand Obama.

So, no, not all that interesting, at least not a big clump.

256 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:03:02pm

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

The more interesting aspect of it is the need he seems to have felt to use these fringe types to get to where he is; that he chucked them under the bus is just a little icing on the cake, from my perspective.

257 wrenchwench  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:03:27pm

re: #244 webevintage

;-)

Wow David Weigel really stepped in it by not worshipping at the Ma Palin altar.
His latest tweet:

Hatemail of the day: "Jews like you reek with the smell of ooozzzing feces coming out of your vile perverted worthless mouth."

My favorite Weigel tweet of the day:

Kind of amazed by how little goodwill my Rand Paul defenses generated on the right.

Que pobrecito!

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:03:38pm

re: #252 bratwurst

Doesn't seem SO long ago when there were COMPLAINTS from the right side of the aisle when 9/11 families spoke out...that pendulum sure can swing.

Remember what Ann Coulter said about the 9/11 widows?

Anyway, gotta go

259 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:04:10pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember what Ann Coulter said about the 9/11 widows?

Anyway, gotta go

Yeah, I remember what that bitch said.

260 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:04:19pm

re: #252 bratwurst

Doesn't seem SO long ago when there were COMPLAINTS from the right side of the aisle when 9/11 families spoke out...that pendulum sure can swing.

Depends; are we talking about the 9/11 widows for truth, as it were?

261 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:05:02pm
262 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:05:40pm

Time to get dinner on the table. L8R G8Rs.

263 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:05:53pm

re: #242 Jeff In Ohio

Wait, he's tweeting my stuff. That bustard!

Want I should hack in to his Twitter account and deleted all his friends?

264 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:06:15pm

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

That was hard to do? He was fucking dressed like a bad Hollywood version of a pimp.

No, this is a bad Hollywood version of a pimp.

265 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:06:26pm

re: #259 webevintage

Yeah, I remember what that bitch said.

Hey, my mother's a bitch; I resent you lumping her in with Coulter.

266 wrenchwench  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:07:50pm

re: #263 Bagua

Want I should hack in to his Twitter account and deleted all his friends?

LOL

267 blueraven  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:08:12pm

re: #91 MandyManners

ACORN is hardly the hapless victim.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Neither is Sarah Palin, for that matter; Using private email accts to conduct government business. Its still wrong, to hack her account, or to illegally enter a senators office, or to edit tapes of ACORN to make them look worse than they really are, for political gain.

268 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:08:33pm

re: #265 Guanxi88

Hey, my mother's a bitch; I resent you lumping her in with Coulter.

Tell your mom I say hi

269 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:09:10pm

Ain't nothing like a shot of steroids to clear up the sinuses and focus the mind. I love my otolaryngologist.

270 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:09:48pm

re: #268 cliffster

Tell your mom I say hi

One of the worst beat-downs I ever got from her was following this exchange:

Her: "You worthless son of a bitch!"

Me: "You don't see the humor in that, do you?"

One backhand from her nearly undid years of orthodontia.

271 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:10:38pm

re: #264 MandyManners

Yes, but he is an re: #268 cliffster

Tell your mom I say hi

actual pimp.re: #270 Guanxi88

One of the worst beat-downs I ever got from her was following this exchange:

Her: "You worthless son of a bitch!"

Me: "You don't see the humor in that, do you?"

One backhand from her nearly undid years of orthodontia.

An epic exchange, imo. You both win 3 internetz.

272 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:12:00pm

re: #267 blueraven

Neither is Sarah Palin, for that matter; Using private email accts to conduct government business. Its still wrong, to hack her account, or to illegally enter a senators office, or to edit tapes of ACORN to make them look worse than they really are, for political gain.

Bit of a stretch.

273 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:12:19pm

re: #271 Fozzie Bear

I'm I'm docking you 2 for that bungling.

274 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:12:45pm

re: #271 Fozzie Bear

Yes, but he is an re: #268 cliffster


An epic exchange, imo. You both win 3 internetz.

How did I get roped in on that?

275 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:13:14pm

re: #274 MandyManners

How did I get roped in on that?

What do you mean, Mom?

276 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:14:24pm

re: #244 webevintage

;-)

Wow David Weigel really stepped in it by not worshipping at the Ma Palin altar.
His latest tweet:

Hatemail of the day: "Jews like you reek with the smell of ooozzzing feces coming out of your vile perverted worthless mouth."

All I can say is wow. Palin sure can rile them up huh.

277 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:14:58pm

re: #274 MandyManners

How did I get roped in on that?

Perhaps he knew my mother's family. Her mother, my dearest Ma, was famous for her pre-emptive punishments. Matron of a large and quarrelsome family, she would, on occasion, reach across the table and backhand one of her children without warning or provocation, following it up with a "You know g*ddamned well what you did, and so do I." She figured that each of them had done something of which she did not know, and was determined to maintain the appearance of omniscience, lest the troublesome brood rise up and over-throw her.

278 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:15:42pm

Fucker... Joe Scarborough needs to go work for Fox News...

"Joe Scarborough says the media continuing to ignore the Sestak story without questioning the Obama administration is "media malpractice."

279 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:16:29pm

re: #275 cliffster

What do you mean, Mom?

Kid, get off this site. It's not PG.

280 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:17:07pm

And don't even get me started on my great-grandmother, famous for saying "The Lord gave you ears to hear, and for me to box."

281 MandyManners  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:17:55pm

re: #277 Guanxi88

Perhaps he knew my mother's family. Her mother, my dearest Ma, was famous for her pre-emptive punishments. Matron of a large and quarrelsome family, she would, on occasion, reach across the table and backhand one of her children without warning or provocation, following it up with a "You know g*ddamned well what you did, and so do I." She figured that each of them had done something of which she did not know, and was determined to maintain the appearance of omniscience, lest the troublesome brood rise up and over-throw her.

*blink*

I bet there was awesome obedience.

Or, maybe not 'cause you could wind up thinking you'd get the shit slapped out of you for not doing anything so, why not go ahead and do whatever you wanted.

282 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:18:41pm

re: #280 Guanxi88

And don't even get me started on my great-grandmother, famous for saying "The Lord gave you ears to hear, and for me to box."

Or how about my father... "I hit you with the buckle end of the belt, across the face, because it leaves a mark, and when you go to school, kids will ask you how you got that mark, and you'll be reminded over and over what you did wrong."

283 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:18:53pm

re: #279 MandyManners

Kid, get off this site. It's not PG.

Hell, it's not even rated

284 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:18:57pm

re: #281 MandyManners

*blink*

I bet there was awesome obedience.

Or, maybe not 'cause you could wind up thinking you'd get the shit slapped out of you for not doing anything so, why not go ahead and do whatever you wanted.

I think the kids decided to go with Option B. Poor Ma, she used to joke that her arthritis was from all the years of slapping her kids.

285 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:18:58pm

re: #273 cliffster

re: #274 MandyManners

I have no idea.

I lose 3 internetz, apparently. I think I was about to respond to something you said?

I need a brain transplant.

286 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:19:31pm

re: #285 Fozzie Bear

re: #274 MandyManners

I have no idea.

I lose 3 internetz, apparently. I think I was about to respond to something you said?

I need a brain transplant.

Finally something we can agree on.

287 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:20:04pm

re: #286 Walter L. Newton

Finally something we can agree on.

Your support is as always appreciated.

288 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:20:29pm

re: #286 Walter L. Newton

Is this Walter, v.Cranky?
/

289 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:20:44pm

re: #256 Guanxi88

The more interesting aspect of it is the need he seems to have felt to use these fringe types to get to where he is; that he chucked them under the bus is just a little icing on the cake, from my perspective.

Obama would use his own sick granny if that's what it took...oh, wait...never mind...

290 webevintage  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:22:39pm

re: #278 Walter L. Newton

Fucker... Joe Scarborough needs to go work for Fox News...

"Joe Scarborough says the media continuing to ignore the Sestak story without questioning the Obama administration is "media malpractice."

Yeah Scarborough is all over this...

291 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:23:55pm

re: #287 Fozzie Bear

Ah crap commas are my friend. As is proofread.

I managed to throw my back out yesterday, and took some muscle relaxants today, prescribed to me in an effort to escape agony. They were touted to "not significantly affect cognition".

I don't think they are entirely working as advertised on that front.

292 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:24:10pm

re: #289 Spare O'Lake

Obama would use his own sick granny if that's what it took...oh, wait...never mind...

Unbelievable.

293 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:24:20pm

re: #278 Walter L. Newton

Fucker... Joe Scarborough needs to go work for Fox News...

"Joe Scarborough says the media continuing to ignore the Sestak story without questioning the Obama administration is "media malpractice."

Are you calling,
Joe Scarborough fair?

294 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:24:22pm

re: #282 Walter L. Newton

Or how about my father... "I hit you with the buckle end of the belt, across the face, because it leaves a mark, and when you go to school, kids will ask you how you got that mark, and you'll be reminded over and over what you did wrong."

Ugh! That's not something i'd want on my psyche, whether as parent or as child.

295 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:25:18pm

re: #294 Guanxi88

Ugh! That's not something i'd want on my psyche, whether as parent or as child.

Honest truth, it is.

296 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:25:37pm

re: #249 ausador

That's their story and there sticking to it, don't you know that acorn registered millions of false voters all of whom combined to elect Obama over the votes of the actual and legal voters? /

Nevermind the three seperate legal investigations one of them by the United States Congress's investigators which found absolutely no evidence of fraudulent registrations making it through processing by the county clerks or of even a single vote having been cast by any of the false "Acorn" registrations. The fact that Acorn flagged the suspected fraudulent registrations and reported them when turning them in, the fact that it would have been a felony to not turn them in even if suspected of being false, those are ignored.

It is a fixed Republican meme that many believe even when all the evidence says that it is completely false. Acorn stole the election from the God fearing conservative White People!

/

I think there's no doubt that ACORN's oversight procedures left a LOT to be desired, and denying this or minimizing it is just silly.

Some chapters operated ethically; others did not, a reflection on local operations more so than the national ACORN.

Now, has ACORN been overrated in terms of their influence? Yes, I think that's been greatly overrated.

Here's a funny story: One of the now flounced and banned ones had a kid in college, who got a temporary and part-time job with, wait for it - ACORN! The person just about flipped out.

297 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:26:32pm

re: #295 Walter L. Newton

Honest truth, it is.

Makes granny's boxing and ma's slapping seem like tickles and candy bars by comparison.

298 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:26:46pm

re: #293 Spare O'Lake

Are you calling,
Joe Scarborough fair?

No... there is nothing to this Sestak story, yet there are some really smart and reliable news people (and even some Democrat Senators) who are drinking the kool aid or something and trying to make this non-issue an issue.

299 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:26:49pm

re: #296 reine.de.tout

I think there's no doubt that ACORN's oversight procedures left a LOT to be desired, and denying this or minimizing it is just silly.

Some chapters operated ethically; others did not, a reflection on local operations more so than the national ACORN.

Now, has ACORN been overrated in terms of their influence? Yes, I think that's been greatly overrated.

Here's a funny story: One of the now flounced and banned ones had a kid in college, who got a temporary and part-time job with, wait for it - ACORN! The person just about flipped out.

Heh. Someone here (forget who) has a mom who's was helped by Acorn to get into a nursing home iirc.

300 blueraven  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:27:01pm

re: #272 MandyManners

Bit of a stretch.

[Video]

Well I will just say that Ms Palin is a professional and perpetual self proclaimed victim and leave it at that. She was copying her husband on government emails. That is not hapless.

301 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:28:03pm

is it plugged? I can determine nothing watching that video feed

302 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:28:18pm

re: #299 Stanley Sea

Heh. Someone here (forget who) has a mom who's was helped by Acorn to get into a nursing home iirc.

I had a brother they helped get elected to city councilman... he paid then for all the votes he needed.

303 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:29:00pm

re: #293 Spare O'Lake

Are you calling,
Joe Scarborough fair?

That you, Art?

304 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:29:24pm
re: #272 MandyManners
Bit of a stretch.

In bed.

305 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:31:00pm

Well... I got a 5 1/2 hour shift to get off to, so, the word for today... eat more 4062

306 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:32:46pm

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

cucumbers?

307 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:33:27pm

Well, I'm a bit pissed off, I tell you what!

Stupid piece of German crap! My 84 Mercedes, Fritz the diesel death-snail, went and proved once and for all that German cars are junk.

The damned a/c gave out on it today, and this after only a little more than 250,000 miles on the original parts and hardware.

:)

308 Cato the Elder  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:34:58pm

So far the word "thugs" has not been used on this thread.

O'Keefe and friends fit the definition.

309 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:35:00pm

re: #299 Stanley Sea

Heh. Someone here (forget who) has a mom who's was helped by Acorn to get into a nursing home iirc.

Yes, I've heard that story!
And was glad to hear it.

Again I think oversight from the national org was seriously lacking, and some ACORN chapters did a better job than others. I mentioned earlier that the chapter that was here seemed to be based in New Orleans, mostly operated there, and honestly, when I would look at their webpage, they didn't do very much at all, apart from helping organize letter-writing campaigns, etc.

Other chapters, of course, were very active in their communities.

It think ACORN has been disbanded now, and recreated in various localities under different names. Communities need to keep watch on their local organizations and hold them accountable, ACORN-related or otherwise. Just makes sense.

310 blueraven  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:36:03pm

re: #307 Guanxi88

Well, I'm a bit pissed off, I tell you what!

Stupid piece of German crap! My 84 Mercedes, Fritz the diesel death-snail, went and proved once and for all that German cars are junk.

The damned a/c gave out on it today, and this after only a little more than 250,000 miles on the original parts and hardware.

:)

Oh hell! What are you going to do now? This is central TX!

Nice run though...

311 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:36:26pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

No... there is nothing to this Sestak story, yet there are some really smart and reliable news people (and even some Democrat Senators) who are drinking the kool aid or something and trying to make this non-issue an issue.

Sestak claims it happened. Is he a liar?

312 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:36:33pm

re: #308 Cato the Elder

So far the word "thugs" has not been used on this thread.

O'Keefe and friends fit the definition.

Bounder, as I recall, was how you had him lamped some time back. It fits, too, and maybe better than thug, as O'Keefe packs not the tackle to be an honest thug.

313 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:36:54pm

re: #303 Guanxi88

That you, Art?

Are you calling,
Joe Scarborough fair?
Parsing sagely on the TV,
Remember he's kinda hard on his staff,
And he works for MSNBC.

314 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:37:12pm

re: #310 blueraven

Oh hell! What are you going to do now? This is central TX!

Nice run though...

Windows down, baby! I dropped $2K on that car, and am not in the mood to spend any more than I need to.

315 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:37:31pm

re: #301 cliffster

is it plugged? I can determine nothing watching that video feed

Nope. The good news is there hasn't been a rupture.

316 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:37:54pm

re: #301 cliffster

is it plugged? I can determine nothing watching that video feed

I thought this process would take a day or two.

317 Kragar  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:37:58pm

re: #315 Bagua

Nope. The good news is there hasn't been a rupture.

Yet.

318 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:39:19pm

re: #309 reine.de.tout

Concur. Good post Reine!

How are the cookbook #'s going?

Time for another sale! Who hasn't bought yet?

319 blueraven  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:39:49pm

re: #314 Guanxi88

Windows down, baby! I dropped $2K on that car, and am not in the mood to spend any more than I need to.

That, and hope for a mild summer. At least the lake is up!

320 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:41:58pm

re: #316 reine.de.tout

I thought this process would take a day or two.

I've heard all sorts of timeframes.

321 Cato the Elder  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:42:31pm

re: #312 Guanxi88

Bounder, as I recall, was how you had him lamped some time back. It fits, too, and maybe better than thug, as O'Keefe packs not the tackle to be an honest thug.

If four SEIU members did the same thing that got O'Keefe and his buddies fined today, there are a score of people here whose knees would jerk while their mouths spat out the word "thugs".

So that works for me in this case, too.

322 Kragar  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:42:49pm

re: #316 reine.de.tout

I thought this process would take a day or two.

Judging from past experience, I would say we can't trust a god damn thing BP says on the matter.

323 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:42:56pm

re: #315 Bagua

The good news is there hasn't been a rupture.

That's what I said to my mother-in-law...just before she slugged me.

324 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:43:15pm

re: #307 Guanxi88

Well, I'm a bit pissed off, I tell you what!

Stupid piece of German crap! My 84 Mercedes, Fritz the diesel death-snail, went and proved once and for all that German cars are junk.

The damned a/c gave out on it today, and this after only a little more than 250,000 miles on the original parts and hardware.

:)

After only 250,000 miles? What a cheap piece of shit, unlike my brothers Ford Neon I just paid $1120.00 to fix the A.C. on after only 62,000 miles. Wait, that doesn't sound right, oh yeah my brothers Neon has been in Florida the entire time where it is always hot, thats like 500,000 miles in Mercedes useage!

/right?

325 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:43:19pm

re: #316 reine.de.tout

I thought this process would take a day or two.

Not necessarily, if they overcome the oil/gas flow and mud is starting to flow down the well, then it could be over in a couple of hours. I don't think this has happened yet.

This based upon this live feed from NPR mostly oil, gas and dispersant still. But what is confusing me is the time stamp, is it live or from this morning?

We need to see only mud ejecting, meaning the well pressure has been overcome.

326 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:43:23pm

re: #319 blueraven

That, and hope for a mild summer. At least the lake is up!

are you an austinite too?

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:44:17pm

re: #307 Guanxi88

My Toyota Highlander piece of shit is in the shop today for the first time. 230,000 miles. Brake job. I did one side, but the other side I ran into some "way beyond FBV" issues.

Took it to "the car guy". He said, no problem. Happens all the time.

He's even going to use my parts.

I love "the guy" (in a he really takes care of me kind of way).

328 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:44:36pm

re: #322 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Judging from past experience, I would say we can't trust a god damn thing BP says on the matter.

Not sure I concur. They screwed up, but I don't see that they are lying.

329 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:44:46pm

re: #318 Stanley Sea

Concur. Good post Reine!

How are the cookbook #'s going?

Time for another sale! Who hasn't bought yet?

They went on sale, um, mid-April, I believe, and we are up to 39 sold.
A mere 39.

With all the great features here at LGF, it seems to me that $16.35 for the cookbook (containing Jaunte's art inside and out, a lot of great recipes, Killgore's Very Own Gardening SEction, and Cato's poem on the back cover!) would be a really good deal! The 'profit" per book (split between LGF and Soldier's Angels) is a mere $5 per book; we kept it down deliberately to encourage greater sales.

Plus, folks, you know - these will be genuine collector's items in a few years!

Get yours here.
And while you're at it, check out Volume 1, as well.
Buy both and you'll only have one shipping charge!

330 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:46:09pm

re: #325 Bagua

Not necessarily, if they overcome the oil/gas flow and mud is starting to flow down the well, then it could be over in a couple of hours. I don't think this has happened yet.

This based upon this live feed from NPR mostly oil, gas and dispersant still. But what is confusing me is the time stamp, is it live or from this morning?

We need to see only mud ejecting, meaning the well pressure has been overcome.

Ah.
That's a much better feed than the one I've been watching, which is the same nothing over and over and over again.
thanks.

331 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:46:23pm

re: #321 Cato the Elder

If four SEIU members did the same thing that got O'Keefe and his buddies fined today, there are a score of people here whose knees would jerk while their mouths spat out the word "thugs".

So that works for me in this case, too.

There were hundreds protesting on that guy's lawn and folks on LGF got mad we referred to them as thugs.

332 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:46:50pm

re: #331 rwdflynavy

That was just reflex tho'

333 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:46:59pm

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love "the guy" (in a he really takes care of me kind of way).


Gasp!

In Bed? :p

334 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:47:25pm

re: #329 reine.de.tout

They went on sale, um, mid-April, I believe, and we are up to 39 sold.
A mere 39.

With all the great features here at LGF, it seems to me that $16.35 for the cookbook (containing Jaunte's art inside and out, a lot of great recipes, Killgore's Very Own Gardening SEction, and Cato's poem on the back cover!) would be a really good deal! The 'profit" per book (split between LGF and Soldier's Angels) is a mere $5 per book; we kept it down deliberately to encourage greater sales.

Plus, folks, you know - these will be genuine collector's items in a few years!

Get yours here.
And while you're at it, check out Volume 1, as well.
Buy both and you'll only have one shipping charge!

BUT WAIT!

335 Cato the Elder  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:47:38pm

re: #331 rwdflynavy

There were hundreds protesting on that guy's lawn and folks on LGF got mad we referred to them as thugs.

The did not try to enter illegally.

The word "thug" pops up every time someone even mentions unions here.

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:47:42pm

re: #333 ausador

Sure. Why not.

re: #331 rwdflynavy

When you comin' to the 'Noke?

337 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:47:59pm

re: #331 rwdflynavy

There were hundreds protesting on that guy's lawn and folks on LGF got mad we referred to them as thugs.

They were acting thuggishly.
And O'Keefe and his group acted thuggishly, as well.

If you don't wanna be called a thug, don't act thuggishly.

338 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:48:32pm

re: #334 Spare O'Lake

BUT WAIT!

OOps.
Did I forget to mention the Snuggie?

339 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:48:41pm

re: #330 reine.de.tout

Ah.
That's a much better feed than the one I've been watching, which is the same nothing over and over and over again.
thanks.

I'm just confused by the time stamp. But it says "live feed."

340 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:49:15pm

re: #335 Cato the Elder

The did not try to enter illegally.

The word "thug" pops up every time someone even mentions unions here.

They didn't have the owner's permission to be on his land. I know that isn't the same as breaking into an office, but their numbers and demeanor and protesting at the guys home made me think thug. Maybe Jimmy Hoffa can explain why union and thug seems to go hand in hand....

341 blueraven  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:49:25pm

re: #326 cliffster

are you an austinite too?

Yep, just outside, at the lake. But lived in Austin proper and surrounding since '78. You in Austin?

342 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:49:50pm

re: #335 Cato the Elder

The did not try to enter illegally.

The word "thug" pops up every time someone even mentions unions here.

It sure does. Apparently "Union" goes with "Thug" the way "Racist goes with "Arizona".


/sorry, I couldn't resist (Emote restrained in the name of peace!)

343 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:49:50pm

re: #339 Bagua

I'm just confused by the time stamp. But it says "live feed."

I see some dark stuff, and some lighter stuff flowing out of there.
Earlier it was just the really dark stuff, having changed over from lighter-colored oil.
I wonder if that's accurate as to color, or if there are shadows affecting the appearance?

344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:51:06pm

How many "points" a day do you get to eat with Weight Watchers?

345 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:52:07pm

re: #341 blueraven

Yep, just outside, at the lake. But lived in Austin proper and surrounding since '78. You in Austin?

Yup. Been here since the mid-90's. Great place. I'll wave at you next time I'm cruising the lake in a boat. We can have a margarita at C&C

346 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:52:29pm

re: #342 windsagio

It sure does. Apparently "Union" goes with "Thug" the way "Racist goes with "Arizona".

/sorry, I couldn't resist (Emote restrained in the name of peace!)

"Thug" goes with "Union" when union members gather and act in a way that has a thuggish effect.

"racist" goes with "Arizona" when Arizona enacts laws that have a racist effect.

So, you're correct.

347 Reginald Perrin  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:52:36pm

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many "points" a day do you get to eat with Weight Watchers?

You're allowed to eat an unlimited number of points, it's food that is limited.
///

348 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:52:50pm

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many "points" a day do you get to eat with Weight Watchers?

Not enough for that pie you're eyeing right now.

349 allegro  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:52:59pm

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many "points" a day do you get to eat with Weight Watchers?

Chocolate points = not enough
Brussel sprout points = WAY too many

350 Cato the Elder  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:53:26pm

re: #340 rwdflynavy

They didn't have the owner's permission to be on his land. I know that isn't the same as breaking into an office, but their numbers and demeanor and protesting at the guys home made me think thug. Maybe Jimmy Hoffa can explain why union and thug seems to go hand in hand...

Jimmy Hoffa? You found him?

351 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:53:34pm

re: #346 reine.de.tout

Haha fair enough ;)

The "Union Thug" thing is a stupid meme tho', seriously. Its up there with 'Jackbooted Government Thug'.

352 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:53:35pm

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many "points" a day do you get to eat with Weight Watchers?

Just get offsets.

353 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:53:45pm

re: #340 rwdflynavy

Maybe Jimmy Hoffa can explain why union and thug seems to go hand in hand...

Yeah good luck with that, considering they have never found out which hunk of concrete the "Thugs" buried him in...

/

354 blueraven  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:53:54pm

re: #345 cliffster

Yup. Been here since the mid-90's. Great place. I'll wave at you next time I'm cruising the lake in a boat. We can have a margarita at C&C

Ok I will be the one drinking beer on the lake. hehe

It is a great place to live and raise a family too!

355 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:54:19pm

re: #351 windsagio

Haha fair enough ;)

The "Union Thug" thing is a stupid meme tho', seriously. Its up there with 'Jackbooted Government Thug'.

You mean like Obama saying he'd have his boot on BP's neck?
//

356 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:54:28pm

re: #353 ausador

Don't let 'em fool you, he has a permanent stage show at Cabo Wabo.

357 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:54:51pm

re: #355 rwdflynavy

Heh, I missed that one >> Gonna look up the story now ;)

358 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:54:56pm

re: #353 ausador

Yeah good luck with that, considering they have never found out which hunk of concrete the "Thugs" buried him in...

/

My vote is the Meadowlands

359 researchok  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:55:18pm

re: #350 Cato the Elder

Jimmy Hoffa? You found him?

Meadowlands. He was never lost.

The Detroit mob is just pissed off he didn't end up on their turf.

360 Taqyia2Me  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:56:33pm

re: #329 reine.de.tout

I got am email yesterday saying mine were on the way! Thanks Reine and All!

361 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:57:13pm

re: #355 rwdflynavy

You mean like Obama saying he'd have his boot on BP's neck?
//

Nah, that's more the fascist jack-boot fantasy thing.

362 Varek Raith  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:57:50pm

Oh, brother.

363 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:57:50pm

re: #357 windsagio

Heh, I missed that one >> Gonna look up the story now ;)

Sorry, I heard it was Obama, it was actually Salazar according to SA.

US keeps "boot on neck" of BP

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:58:09pm
365 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:58:15pm

re: #354 blueraven

Ok I will be the one drinking beer on the lake. hehe

It is a great place to live and raise a family too!

Yeah it is. I love the trails, the kid-friendly activities every weekend, the homegrown restaurants...

366 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:59:00pm

re: #343 reine.de.tout

I see some dark stuff, and some lighter stuff flowing out of there.
Earlier it was just the really dark stuff, having changed over from lighter-colored oil.
I wonder if that's accurate as to color, or if there are shadows affecting the appearance?

It is 5000 feet below the surface, there is no light at all that deep. Anything you see is lit by the lights on the R.O.V.s themselves. Last I knew they were pretty much all using xenon lights (highest lumen output for the wattage used) which has a slight blue shift but shouldn't deeply effect visible colors other than light blues looking darker, etc.

367 Four More Tears  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:59:10pm

Family Research Council: End Of DADT Means More Gay Rape In The Military

Research fail.

Here's how the Family Research Council envisions things going if Don't Ask, Don't Tell is repealed: first, more straight soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines will be fellated in their sleep against their will. Then, commanders afraid of being labeled homophobic will refuse to do anything about it. Eventually, the straight service members will quit out of fear.

Someone should tell these people that there are gay men serving now.

Also, gay does not equal rapist you bigoted piece of shit.

368 allegro  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:00:49pm

re: #367 JasonA

Their obsession with sex is endlessly amusing, though pathetic.

369 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:01:10pm

re: #368 allegro

Their obsession with gay sex is endlessly amusing, though pathetic.

FixT

370 allegro  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:01:39pm

re: #369 windsagio

I thought about that, but no, it's het sex too.

371 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:02:29pm

re: #367 JasonA

Also I wonder what their position on command rape is?

372 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:02:56pm

re: #343 reine.de.tout

I see some dark stuff, and some lighter stuff flowing out of there.
Earlier it was just the really dark stuff, having changed over from lighter-colored oil.
I wonder if that's accurate as to color, or if there are shadows affecting the appearance?

That's the question. The small white stream is the dispersant being injected into the riser. The reddish-brown is the oil/dispersant/gas mix, and the black stuff is heavier crude that has started flowing. This is not good.

The mud should be a lighter grey, IINM, also the mud should sink as it's heavier than the sea-water. My guess is that they have stopped injecting mud.

373 Four More Tears  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:03:04pm

re: #371 windsagio

Also I wonder what their position on command rape is?

Command rape? You mean when someone has sex with their subordinate?

374 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:03:07pm

re: #370 allegro

As per my 371, I don't see them speaking up much about the hideous rates of sexual assault/harassment vs. women in the service tho'

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:03:14pm

re: #292 Stanley Sea

Unbelievable.

Totally believable. Anything about O'Keefe was going to open the floodgates.

This little SOB could shoot someone in the pursuit of one of his capers, and five comments in, we'd be hearing about the sins of ACORN, and from there it would proceed apace.

376 allegro  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:03:24pm

re: #371 windsagio

I suspect it's something they fantasize about daily.

377 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:03:43pm

re: #373 JasonA

"Uses their position to coerce sex with a subordinate", but otherwise yes.

Without the coercion its just fraternization >>

378 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:04:24pm

re: #376 allegro

I thought I was brutal! (+tho)

379 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:04:26pm

re: #363 rwdflynavy

Sorry, I heard it was Obama, it was actually Salazar according to SA.

US keeps "boot on neck" of BP

Good, that leaves their hands free to hold the gun.

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:04:39pm

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

I had a brother they helped get elected to city councilman... he paid then for all the votes he needed.

You HAD a brother? What happened, they off him when he didn't pay them back?

381 allegro  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:04:47pm

re: #374 windsagio

As per my 371, I don't see them speaking up much about the hideous rates of sexual assault/harassment vs. women in the service tho'

I doubt that's much of a problem for them since women are there to serve men, yanno. I don't know that they see the sexual use of women as rape whether it's consensual or not.

382 blueraven  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:04:52pm

re: #363 rwdflynavy

Sorry, I heard it was Obama, it was actually Salazar according to SA.

US keeps "boot on neck" of BP

Didn't that all stem from a comment by Rand Paul last week: something to the effect that Obama needs to keep his boot off the neck of BP?

383 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:05:08pm

re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally believable. Anything about O'Keefe was going to open the floodgates.

This little SOB could shoot someone in the pursuit of one of his capers, and five comments in, we'd be hearing about the sins of ACORN, and from there it would proceed apace.

I took my little trip to Kos to counter balance it.

384 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:05:22pm

re: #374 windsagio

As per my 371, I don't see them speaking up much about the hideous rates of sexual assault/harassment vs. women in the service tho'

Well now that you mention it, I have a video of that, what's your email address?

385 albusteve  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:05:53pm

sex thugs

386 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:06:09pm

re: #384 Bagua

As if!

I get enough virtual snakes in my inbox as it is >>

387 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:06:40pm

re: #386 windsagio

Read my post (pages) on the right column. pls :)

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:07:43pm

re: #335 Cato the Elder

The did not try to enter illegally.

The word "thug" pops up every time someone even mentions unions here.

Nice new avatar, BTW.

389 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:09:02pm

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many "points" a day do you get to eat with Weight Watchers?

Depends on your height and some other stuff, I think.

390 windsagio  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:09:05pm

re: #387 Stanley Sea

On it! Man, I just noticed you can't rightclick 'open as new tab' on the pages thing.

391 Four More Tears  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:09:51pm

re: #388 SanFranciscoZionist

Nice new avatar, BTW.

I'm going to miss that smug face looking down on me.

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:14:05pm

re: #367 JasonA

Family Research Council: End Of DADT Means More Gay Rape In The Military

Research fail.

Someone should tell these people that there are gay men serving now.

Also, gay does not equal rapist you bigoted piece of shit.

They've been harping on this for some time. The gay guys will force themselves on the straight guys, and no one will do anything for fear of being labeled homophobic, yadda yadda.

That this does not seem super-likely is apparently no barrier to the imaginations of these folks, who are closely akin to the guy who believe Hitler recruited gay men because straight guys would never do such horrible things.

393 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:14:19pm

re: #391 JasonA

I'm going to miss that smug face looking down on me.

I am too.

394 Stanghazi  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:14:35pm

re: #393 reine.de.tout

I am too.

I liked that guy.

395 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:15:10pm

re: #367 JasonA

Family Research Council: End Of DADT Means More Gay Rape In The Military

Research fail.

Someone should tell these people that there are gay men serving now.

Also, gay does not equal rapist you bigoted piece of shit.

"Eventually, the straight service men will quit out of fear."

This dude is really telling me that America's fighting men can't defend themselves against a bunch of fairies? Oh, wait, they're brutal homicidal Nazi fairies. Makes a big difference.

396 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:15:24pm

re: #390 windsagio

On it! Man, I just noticed you can't rightclick 'open as new tab' on the pages thing.

I noticed that too.

I bookmarked the "LGF Pages" thingy, and when I want to look at it, I open a new tab and click the bookmark.

And of course, I have LGF Linkage bookmarked, as well.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:15:57pm

re: #371 windsagio

Also I wonder what their position on command rape is?

"LALALALALA MY FINGERS ARE IN MY EARS! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! WHAT DID YOU SAY?"

398 albusteve  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:25:59pm

CATO!
come back!

399 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:39:35pm

re: #372 Bagua

That's the question. The small white stream is the dispersant being injected into the riser. The reddish-brown is the oil/dispersant/gas mix, and the black stuff is heavier crude that has started flowing. This is not good.

The mud should be a lighter grey, IINM, also the mud should sink as it's heavier than the sea-water. My guess is that they have stopped injecting mud.

The mud is supposed to sink and fill the 13,000 deep well, something they said would take about two days to complete at the rate of injection (it is a 21" wide cased well almost three miles long). I have no idea if it will work or not, but saying they have failed after only a couple of hours of injection just shows that you don't understand the concept of what they are trying to do or have not been listening.

They have to get enough HEAVY synthetic mud (almost 14 lbs per gallon) down into the well to counteract the pressure forces that are pushing the oil and gas up out of it. Some mud is going to be blown out of the leaks the entire time, but hopefully the majority of it will go down the well casing and eventually create enough pressure to stop the flow. At least that is the theory behind this attempt.

400 prairiefire  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:44:25pm

re: #239 webevintage

Can't. Help. It.

God love ya, Webevintage. You get to it while I run errands. : )

401 gamark  Wed, May 26, 2010 3:46:31pm

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

The FRC pukes, like most homophobes, are probably worried they might enjoy it.

Anyway, I think the interesting part will be the housing logistics. I say that assuming that male and female soldiers have separate sleeping quarters and shower separately. And if that is the case, wouldn't the same reasons for that apply to having gay soldiers sharing the same sleeping quarters with each other? How will that work? I find it humorous to think of the possibilities, but I hope they seriously work it out. If a gay person wants to serve their country in the military, they damn well should be allowed to as long as they meet the qualifications required of all others.

402 Buck  Wed, May 26, 2010 7:17:30pm

re: #94 MandyManners

Embezzlement by Dale Rathke's brother, Wade.

Plus he evaded paying the taxes on that (almost) 1 million. That is about $600,000 (with penalties and interest) stolen from US taxpayers.

403 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:31:34am
404 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:34:28am

re: #403 zenpig1

Got a problem troll?

405 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:41:14am
406 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:42:25am

re: #405 zenpig1

who's the troll?

Yet another obsessed loser.

407 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:42:58am

re: #405 zenpig1

You, noob. You said, "inane and pathetic followers of "The One"(Johnson)." That would be Charles.

You just registered.

You're a troll.

408 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:46:47am

re: #406 Nimed

Yet another obsessed loser.

Yep. Another brain dead wingnut with an obsessive love for the deformed and inbred James O'Keefe. Probably a follower of that spittling and slurring tool Andrew Breitbart Dimbart.

409 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:46:50am
410 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:47:35am

re: #409 zenpig1

Doubt it. You'll just be blocked and spend the next 10 years masturbating over this whole event.

411 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:50:09am
412 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:51:16am

re: #411 zenpig1

Have no fear. I'm capable of empathy for the mentally challenged such as yourself.

413 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:58:38am

re: #409 zenpig1

Don't let it be known that previous banned users could easily re-register when drunk and decide to screw with the "system" Will I be publicly outed by Mr. Johnson as a detriment to his society, now?

Shrug. You've come here to bawl like the rest of your buddies. Spill it out. Let's hear the usual profound grievances and demonstrations of endless self-pity.

414 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:01:19am
415 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:02:49am

re: #413 Nimed

Shrug. You've come here to bawl like the rest of your buddies. Spill it out. Let's hear the usual profound grievances and demonstrations of endless self-pity.

The pathology of the banned user. Someday that might make a good masters thesis considering the psychological implications and frequent substance abuse of the test subjects.

416 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:05:58am

re: #414 zenpig1

Ah yes. Now we fall into passive mode. Typical of the alcoholic brain. "Challenging beliefs" he says after calling us "pathetic followers of The One." It must be a challenge operating on ones own brainstem 24 x 7 not realizing what he or she last said.

417 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:06:06am

re: #415 Gus 802

The pathology of the banned user. Someday that might make a good masters thesis considering the psychological implications and frequent substance abuse of the test subjects.

:)

Actually, it's pretty worrying. These people have a serious problem with moving on with their lives. I was just discussing this with Jason the other day.

418 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:09:16am
419 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:10:08am

re: #417 Nimed

:)

Actually, it's pretty worrying. These people have a serious problem with moving on with their lives. I was just discussing this with Jason the other day.

I used to think it was worthy of my concern. Later I came to realize that it's just your typical internet derangement. They confuse reality with the internet along their own visions of grandeur. Some of it stems from feeling of abandonment which may be traced to their early childhood experiences. Or rejection and low self esteem. The internet gives them an ability to speak since they're typically very isolated personalities.

420 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:10:25am

re: #418 zenpig1

Not really. You're probably just retarded.

421 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:12:23am

re: #418 zenpig1

zenpig, it's not your fault

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

422 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:12:24am
423 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:13:10am

re: #422 zenpig1

You have talent. You could probably make a living doing drunk Yoda impressions.

424 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:15:44am

re: #422 zenpig1

have no answer nor even understand if the question...if there is even a question or not

it's not your fault

425 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 27, 2010 9:58:09am

Yet another brain-damaged psycho pops up. It must suck to have such a pathetic life that you have nothing better to do than stalk blogs and be an asshole.


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