1 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:12:51pm

Lol.
"IHOPs Should Stay Open All Night So We Can Get Some Pancakes Act"
XD

2 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:15:24pm

At 3am, an open IHOP should be considered a necessity for national security.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:17:22pm

My biggest 3 am crisis involved babies not sleeping. Let's see congress deal with that!

(Although, they could get their bills read at that time, since they don't have anything else to do.)

4 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:18:58pm

re: #2 darthstar

At 3am, an open IHOP should be considered a necessity for national security.

I think there is at least 1 in Queens that is open 24/7

5 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:19:12pm

"...and a couple of really fun software salesmen from Boston..."

lol

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:20:36pm

He is the Dogman.

7 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:37:14pm

I know of 2 24 hour IHOPs near me. Plus a 24 hour Mexican food place. Nothing like fresh carnitas and rolled tacos at 2:45 am.

8 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:46:15pm

"come out!"

9 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:48:19pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know of 2 24 hour IHOPs near me. Plus a 24 hour Mexican food place. Nothing like fresh carnitas and rolled tacos at 2:45 am.

Indeed. I am used to being able to get what ever I want/need 24/7 I have a hard time adjusting when I travel.

10 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:48:54pm

Lobbyists for Denny's could not be reached for comment.

11 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:50:18pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know of 2 24 hour IHOPs near me. Plus a 24 hour Mexican food place. Nothing like fresh carnitas and rolled tacos at 2:45 am.

now you are talking my language

12 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:52:12pm

Doesn't anyone like Waffle House anymore?
I love Waffle House.

13 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:52:20pm

re: #9 brookly red

Indeed. I am used to being able to get what ever I want/need 24/7 I have a hard time adjusting when I travel.

get out more

14 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:53:28pm

re: #12 reine.de.tout

Doesn't anyone like Waffle House anymore?
I love Waffle House.

a huge factor in my earlier road tripping days...I'll defend those guys to the death

15 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:54:58pm

re: #12 reine.de.tout

Doesn't anyone like Waffle House anymore?
I love Waffle House.

I've been to one once. Somewhere in Maryland. It didn't appear to be the most sanitary of establishments... I suppose it's a franchise thing, so I'm not judging all of them, mind you.

16 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:56:25pm

re: #15 JasonA

I've been to one once. Somewhere in Maryland. It didn't appear to be the most sanitary of establishments... I suppose it's a franchise thing, so I'm not judging all of them, mind you.

it's survival, chow....who gives a shit otherwise, part of the seedy underbelly of this great country

17 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:56:57pm

re: #15 JasonA

I've been to one once. Somewhere in Maryland. It didn't appear to be the most sanitary of establishments... I suppose it's a franchise thing, so I'm not judging all of them, mind you.

I've also been to one once. There were little roaches walking around on the table. I think it was Tucson.

18 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:57:27pm

groaning

19 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:57:35pm

re: #16 albusteve

it's survival, chow...who gives a shit otherwise, part of the seedy underbelly of this great country

re: #17 wrenchwench

I've also been to one once. There were little roaches walking around on the table. I think it was Tucson.

I think some of us actually do give a shit, Steve.

20 robdouth  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:59:41pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

There's one in Tempe, AZ which is very nice, but on a Saturday or Sunday morning it's damn near impossible to get a seat unless you want to wait half an hour to an hour.

21 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:00:46pm

re: #15 JasonA

I've been to one once. Somewhere in Maryland. It didn't appear to be the most sanitary of establishments... I suppose it's a franchise thing, so I'm not judging all of them, mind you.

No, they're all pretty much low-class joints.
But I love their hash browns, scattered/covered.
With a waffle.
And bacon.
And that meal is about an entire week's worth of grease and fat.
but it's sooooooooo good.

22 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:01:09pm

re: #19 JasonA

I think some of us actually do give a shit, Steve.

party harder

23 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:03:09pm

re: #22 albusteve

party harder

Image: 768.gif

24 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:03:16pm

This seems like it could be relevant to something or other:

Racial Bias Clouds Ability To Feel Others' Pain

When people witness or imagine the pain of another person, their nervous system responds in essentially the same way it would if they were feeling that pain themselves. Now, researchers reporting online on May 27th in Current Biology, a Cell Press publication, have new evidence to show that that kind of empathy is diminished when people (black or white) who hold racial biases see that pain is being inflicted on those of another race.

The good news is that people continue to respond with empathy when pain is inflicted on people who don't fit into any preconceived racial category—in this case, those who appear to have violet-colored skin.

"This is quite important because it suggests that humans tend to empathize by default unless prejudice is at play," said Salvatore Maria Aglioti of Sapienza Università di Roma.

25 Randall Gross  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:03:45pm

DADT passed the Senate committee, now back to my bridge.. later all.

26 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:06:41pm
DADT passed the Senate committee, now back to my bridge.. later all.


Your building a bridge?
THAT is so cool!!

27 Randall Gross  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:08:05pm

re: #26 reloadingisnotahobby

naw, tech conference bridge, multple projects, I'm in the wheelhouse trying to stop trainwrecks.

28 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:08:14pm

re: #26 reloadingisnotahobby

Your building a bridge?
THAT is so cool!!

I sell em!

29 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:09:41pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

I sell em!

Would you happen to have one that links Brooklyn to lower Manhattan?

30 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:09:44pm

re: #25 Thanos

DADT passed the Senate committee, now back to my bridge.. later all.

16-12...party line vote it looks like.

31 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:10:34pm

re: #29 JasonA

Would you happen to have one that links Brooklyn to lower Manhattan?

Indeed!
But, you'll have to act now!

32 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:10:43pm

re: #27 Thanos

naw, tech conference bridge, multple projects, I'm in the wheelhouse trying to stop trainwrecks.

For a moment I pictured you as a cerebral bridge player.

33 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:10:49pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

I did leave out a / tag...
Been watching the contractors erect a steel structure at one of my building .
25-30 mph gusts.....So I had steel already in the short loop of my brain!

34 Renaissance_Man  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:10:53pm

re: #24 freetoken

This seems like it could be relevant to something or other:

Racial Bias Clouds Ability To Feel Others' Pain

And that's why it's so important that we stay focused! That's why it's so important to encourage and expand our prejudices and hate for liberals, gays, foreigners, liberals, immigrants, and liberals.

Because you know what empathy leads to.

35 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:11:18pm

re: #30 darthstar

16-12...party line vote it looks like.

Here's the obligatory McCain quote:

"I'll do everything in my power [to stop the repeal]," said Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who serves as ranking member on the Armed Services Committee yesterday.

36 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:12:07pm

re: #31 Varek Raith

You forgot the "Act now in the next 30 minutes" and you could also get....Stay on script!!

37 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:12:13pm

re: #31 Varek Raith

Indeed!
But, you'll have to act now!

How many non-hybrid seeds will that set me back?

38 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:13:08pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

It's a good thing McCain's power is only limited to denying whatever position he held before 2008 on a given issue.

39 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:13:12pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Remember the old McCain? The one that said he'd support whatever the military thought should be done? What happened to that guy?

40 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:13:28pm

re: #37 JasonA

How many non-hybrid seeds will that set me back?

Depends on whether the Raiders blast the bridge or leave it intact...
Whoops, did I say raiders? I meant happy go lucky yokels.

41 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:13:36pm

re: #34 Renaissance_Man


Because you know what empathy leads to.


Mixed marriages!!

42 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:14:20pm

re: #39 JasonA

Remember the old McCain? The one that said he'd support whatever the military thought should be done? What happened to that guy?

He spilled some tea on himself.

43 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:14:57pm

re: #39 JasonA

Remember the old McCain? The one that said he'd support whatever the military thought should be done? What happened to that guy?

Staying in power is more important than Country First.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:15:05pm

re: #12 reine.de.tout

Doesn't anyone like Waffle House anymore?
I love Waffle House.

We don't have then in the NW!

45 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:15:13pm

re: #39 JasonA

Remember the old McCain? The one that said he'd support whatever the military thought should be done? What happened to that guy?

He lost the election in 2008...then he got teabagged by JD Hayworth and had to become a teabagger to keep his former VP's endorsement. On NPR yesterday, one of the political commentators actually referred to him as being "afraid" of losing his primary (7 point difference now). It'll be interesting to see him respond to accusations of being 'afraid' (even if they're true).

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:16:10pm

re: #38 darthstar

It's a good thing McCain's power is only limited to denying whatever position he held before 2008 on a given issue.

It's so hard for me to even care about McCain anymore. Occasionally I get this little pause of "man, that guy ran for president?"

47 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:16:48pm

Put in the Pages a link to the NatGeo page with images from their special airing tonight on the Horizons disaster.

When one looks at this photo and realize how big that structure is that is burning and collapsing... then the magnitude of this industrial "accident" hits home. I suspect the NatGeo special will make more tangible the horror that the dead 11 went through.

48 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:16:57pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

It's so hard for me to even care about McCain anymore. Occasionally I get this little pause of "man, that guy ran for president?"

I sometimes feel sorry for his suffering these days (self-inflicted though much of it is)...I think he'll be a lot happier after he's out of politics, only he doesn't know it yet.

49 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:17:03pm

re: #25 Thanos

DADT passed the Senate committee, now back to my bridge.. later all.

Good news. Once it is finally repealed the USA can join the rest of the industrialized nations and make a stronger link to the 21st century.

Here's a list of countries that currently do not allow gays in the military:

Cuba
China
Egypt

Greece
Iran
Jamaica
North Korea
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Singapore
South Korea
Syria
Turkey
Venezuela
Yemen

50 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:17:10pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

It's so hard for me to even care about McCain anymore. Occasionally I get this little pause of "man, that guy ran for president?"

So did Michael Dukakis. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a looong time.

51 allegro  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:17:15pm

re: #38 darthstar

It's a good thing McCain's power is only limited to denying whatever position he held before 2008 on a given issue.

The truth of this actually makes me wince. I used to have such respect for the man and to see him turn into this pandering wimp of a political tool, really makes me sad.

52 steve_davis  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:17:34pm

re: #15 JasonA

I've been to one once. Somewhere in Maryland. It didn't appear to be the most sanitary of establishments... I suppose it's a franchise thing, so I'm not judging all of them, mind you.

Last time I ate at one, the waitress picked up the (mostly) untouched milk glass from the guy sitting next to me and put it back in the fridge. last fucking time I ever ate at Waffle House anywhere.

53 tnguitarist  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:17:42pm

King's X in the que, Charles? Hell yes! We need to jam.

Give me a dollar
Give me 50 cents
Let me take it back
Cause that ain't what I meant

54 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:18:28pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Greece? Really? What the hell would the Spartans say about that?

55 allegro  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:19:01pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Jamaica

Trying to picture the Jamaican military, mon.

56 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:19:53pm

re: #54 JasonA

Greece? Really? What the hell would the Spartans say about that?

True...they'd never leave a brother's behind.

57 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:20:45pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Greece?!? I find that hard to believe...

Image: GREEK_EVZONES.jpg

58 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:21:00pm

good LORD!
it's gonna rain over my head....
been months

59 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:21:29pm

re: #55 allegro

Trying to picture the Jamaican military, mon.

Might have to wait 1000 years. Jamaica has one of the worst laws in the Western Hemisphere impacting GLBTs:

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) rights in Jamaica are dominated by the prohibition of sexual acts between men. Sexual acts between women are legal, by virtue of the absence of any reference to them in law. Sexual acts between men are punishable with up to ten years jail. Jamaica has been called by human-rights groups as the most homophobic place on earth.

60 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:21:39pm

re: #55 allegro

Trying to picture the Jamaican military, mon.

they look just like us...

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:22:33pm

re: #48 darthstar

I sometimes feel sorry for his suffering these days (self-inflicted though much of it is)...I think he'll be a lot happier after he's out of politics, only he doesn't know it yet.

Yeah, I think so too. I don't hate the guy, I just sort of rub my temples and go "really?" a lot to what he does politically.

62 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:23:05pm

re: #55 allegro

Trying to picture the Jamaican military, mon.

I prefer their firearms to an M-16

63 allegro  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:23:07pm

re: #59 Gus 802

Holy moly, I did not know that. Probly not a great place for a same-sex honeymoon retreat.

64 blueraven  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:23:25pm

re: #58 albusteve

good LORD!
it's gonna rain over my head...
been months

I hope you get a good one. I know the feeling, and it sure is a blessing when the rains come.

65 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:23:37pm
66 allegro  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:23:41pm

re: #62 darthstar

DING!

67 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:23:44pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

Greece?!? I find that hard to believe...

Image: GREEK_EVZONES.jpg

They're wearing Man Tights™ and Man Skirts™.

//Yes, I know that crossdressing is not an indicator of sexual preference.

//

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:23:58pm

re: #62 darthstar

I prefer their firearms to an M-16

ahahahahah dying

69 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:24:19pm

re: #61 WindUpBird

Yeah, I think so too. I don't hate the guy, I just sort of rub my temples and go "really?" a lot to what he does politically.

He's lost his mental edge. It was obvious during some of the debates where he looked like he was lost after walking two blocks from his driveway.

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:24:25pm

re: #67 Gus 802

They're wearing Man Tights™ and Man Skirts™.

//Yes, I know that crossdressing is not an indicator of sexual preference.

//

girl skirts on guys > man skirts on guys :D

71 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:25:57pm

re: #63 allegro

Holy moly, I did not know that. Probly not a great place for a same-sex honeymoon retreat.

Doesn't look like. Although I'm sure they're more lenient towards tourists if not outright ignore them. Here's some of the statutes:

Criminal Code

Jamaican criminal code prohibits sex between men, as is the case in much of the English-speaking Caribbean. Article 76 of the Offences Against the Person Act states:

Whosoever shall be convicted of the abominable crime of buggery, committed either with mankind or with any animal, shall be liable to be imprisoned and kept to hard labour for a term not exceeding ten years.

Article 77 adds:

Whosoever shall attempt to commit the said abominable crime, or shall be guilty of any assault with intent to commit the same, or of any indecent assault upon any male person, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and being convicted thereof, shall be liable to be imprisoned for a term not exceeding seven years, with or without hard labour.

Article 79 further states:

Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or is a party to the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and being convicted thereof shall be liable at the discretion of the court to be imprisoned for a term not exceeding two years, with or without hard labour.

72 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:26:11pm

re: #62 darthstar

I prefer their firearms to an M-16

why you dissin the jamaicans?....how many times have you been there?

73 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:26:13pm

Abominable crime of buggery!

74 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:26:46pm

re: #67 Gus 802

They're wearing Man Tights™ and Man Skirts™.

//Yes, I know that crossdressing is not an indicator of sexual preference.

//

Greek men are hot. I hate to make generalizations, but....

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:27:16pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Abominable crime of buggery!

I SAY OLD BEAN, HAVE YOU BEEN CAUGHT BUTTERING?

76 Daniel Ballard  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:27:34pm

OT-Okay got that video embed thing working in my pages. Just a note to my fellow lizards on this excellent new feature- Charles has this done up really well. But getting the embed code from you tube and into the embed code box in the Pages submit form is tricky. Somehow, the embed code gets truncated or altered. It's over my head I got no code skillz myself. I dropped the code into word then re copied it. Dunno why that works either.

But I did get a couple music videos I made with the band's permission to use the music and my own concert photography.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

77 avanti  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:28:06pm

re: #39 JasonA

Remember the old McCain? The one that said he'd support whatever the military thought should be done? What happened to that guy?

He got the urge to be reelected by the new Republicans.

78 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:28:12pm

re: #66 allegro

DING!

fuck you people...Jamaica has a serious problem, which we are the largest part

79 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:29:03pm

re: #72 albusteve

why you dissin the jamaicans?...how many times have you been there?

I'm not dissing them...just a dope joke...and you did call me a dope.

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:29:06pm

re: #78 albusteve

fuck you people...Jamaica has a serious problem, which we are the largest part

I'm just giggling at the gun bong, not dissing Jamaica

81 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:29:27pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

I SAY OLD BEAN, HAVE YOU BEEN CAUGHT BUTTERING?

I can't believe it's not butter!

/

82 Daniel Ballard  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:30:27pm

re: #78 albusteve

You mean drug users are the big part of the problem? Agreed as long as ganja is illegal.

83 blueraven  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:30:46pm

re: #78 albusteve

fuck you people...Jamaica has a serious problem, which we are the largest part

Lighten up, enjoy the rain. No one is dissin Jamaica.

84 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:32:15pm

re: #82 Rightwingconspirator

You mean drug users are the big part of the problem? Agreed as long as ganja is illegal.

it's hardly about ghanja...you know that, it's about narcotics, weapons, money and influence...and we are the market that supports the grief down there

85 avanti  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:33:26pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Greek men are hot. I hate to make generalizations, but...

Must be all that olive oil, I'm in my sixty's and still get pimples, but not that many wrinkles.

86 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:34:14pm

re: #84 albusteve

it's hardly about ghanja...you know that, it's about narcotics, weapons, money and influence...and we are the market that supports the grief down there

re: #84 albusteve

it's hardly about ghanja...you know that, it's about narcotics, weapons, money and influence...and we are the market that supports the grief down there

well the same could be said about mexico, no?

87 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:35:29pm

re: #86 brookly red

well the same could be said about mexico, no?

the very same is true about Mexico...we are their patsy

88 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:36:27pm

re: #78 albusteve

fuck you people...Jamaica has a serious problem, which we are the largest part

Please tell me you are not apologizing for some misdeeds America has committed.

89 blueraven  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:37:08pm

re: #87 albusteve

the very same is true about Mexico...we are their patsy


Wait...We are Mexico's patsy, but the source of Jamaica's grief?

90 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:37:26pm

re: #86 brookly red

well the same could be said about mexico, no?

Funny you should say that...Apparently, Rep Steve King (R-Iowa?) was talking about the wall in Israel, and then said that one of our neighbors wants to wipe a part of the Southwest United States off the map...yes, he compared Mexico to Iran. Stupid fuck.

91 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:37:34pm

re: #87 albusteve

the very same is true about Mexico...we are their patsy

now substitute the world oil for narcotics and then we have some other places...

92 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:37:43pm

re: #88 Racer X

Please tell me you are not apologizing for some misdeeds America has committed.

we are Junkie Central...I call it the way I see it, and profit is the dope

93 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:37:50pm

re: #84 albusteve

it's hardly about ghanja...you know that, it's about narcotics, weapons, money and influence...and we are the market that supports the grief down there

So, if all the drug users in America got clean and sober, Jamaica would be a more pleasant place? I smell rainbows.

94 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:39:24pm

re: #89 blueraven

Wait...We are Mexico's patsy, but the source of Jamaica's grief?

don't be obtuse...we are the market, the pot of gold for Mexico and Jamaica

95 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:39:34pm

re: #92 albusteve

we are Junkie Central...I call it the way I see it, and profit is the dope

Not buying it.

Everyone has a choice in life. Some choose to buy and use drugs, some choose to distribute drugs. Make a different choice if life is getting you down.

96 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:39:46pm

re: #93 Racer X

So, if all the drug users in America got clean and sober, Jamaica would be a more pleasant place? I smell rainbows.

Sorry...my unicorn just vomited.

97 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:40:07pm

re: #90 darthstar

Funny you should say that...Apparently, Rep Steve King (R-Iowa?) was talking about the wall in Israel, and then said that one of our neighbors wants to wipe a part of the Southwest United States off the map...yes, he compared Mexico to Iran. Stupid fuck.

well by wipe off the map I think he means re-conquer as opposed to blow up, still inflammatory but not completely far fetched.

98 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:40:11pm

re: #93 Racer X

So, if all the drug users in America got clean and sober, Jamaica would be a more pleasant place? I smell rainbows.

yes

99 avanti  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:40:57pm

Stories like this, make me grin. 11 year old starts a mobile dance studio for Detroit kids:

dance.

100 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:41:08pm

re: #95 Racer X

Not buying it.

Everyone has a choice in life. Some choose to buy and use drugs, some choose to distribute drugs. Make a different choice if life is getting you down.

find a third world country...go there, learn something easy about human nature

101 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:41:35pm

re: #97 brookly red

Lol it really is pretty far fetched, actually >>

102 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:41:58pm

re: #97 brookly red

well by wipe off the map I think he means re-conquer as opposed to blow up, still inflammatory but not completely far fetched.

And funny you should say THAT, because that's what Ahmadinejad means when he says Israel will be wiped off the map...he is saying that they'll have a regime change some day...not that he wants to scrape it into the sea...

103 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:42:46pm

re: #102 darthstar

And funny you should say THAT, because that's what Ahmadinejad means when he says Israel will be wiped off the map...he is saying that they'll have a regime change some day...not that he wants to scrape it into the sea...

yes I was aware of that...

104 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:43:18pm

re: #103 brookly red

yes I was aware of that...

Cool...you'd be amazed how many people want to believe the opposite.

105 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:44:19pm

re: #104 darthstar

Cool...you'd be amazed how many people want to believe the opposite.

well the point is you would first have to do one before you could do the other, it's complicated.

106 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:44:38pm

re: #104 darthstar

Cool...you'd be amazed how many people want to believe the opposite.

and how did you come to this conclusion?

107 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:44:57pm

re: #100 albusteve

find a third world country...go there, learn something easy about human nature

Oh I learned something easy today alright.

It's all America's fault.

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:45:05pm

re: #93 Racer X

So, if all the drug users in America got clean and sober, Jamaica would be a more pleasant place? I smell rainbows.

If there were no more drug market in America, Juarez would cease to become the Mexican border charnel house it is. No market, no organized crime.

If narcotics-based organized crime dominates a country, then the narcotics trade disappears, what happens? People won't fight over something that's worthless.

109 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:45:07pm

re: #102 darthstar

And funny you should say THAT, because that's what Ahmadinejad means when he says Israel will be wiped off the map...he is saying that they'll have a regime change some day...not that he wants to scrape it into the sea...

And I think he should go for it... soon.

110 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:45:20pm

re: #107 Racer X

Oh I learned something easy today alright.

It's all America's fault.

see my 108

111 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:45:55pm

re: #100 albusteve

find a third world country...go there, learn something easy about human nature

I lived in Fiji for a year...had a village on the other side of the wall by my house...literally built up against it. Had a classmate who lived there. Would watch him go home where his mother cooked over an open fire. This was in 1980...Euka G. Ninokibau was his name (I liked him...he was a really cool guy...last name pronounced Nee-nong-keem-bow).

112 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:46:06pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

If there were no more drug market in America, Juarez would cease to become the Mexican border charnel house it is. No market, no organized crime.

If narcotics-based organized crime dominates a country, then the narcotics trade disappears, what happens? People won't fight over something that's worthless.

Please.

They will just find something new to fight over. Microwave ovens or something.

113 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:46:50pm

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

And I think he should go for it... soon.

Why on earth would you want Israel to be invaded? That would drag half the planet into a (possibly nuclear) war.

114 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:47:38pm

re: #107 Racer X

Oh I learned something easy today alright.

It's all America's fault.

while I have no quarter for the Blame America First crowd when it comes to the appetite for cocaine & heroin we need to plead no contest.

115 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:47:44pm

re: #107 Racer X

Oh I learned something easy today alright.

It's all America's fault.

not from me you didn't....America provides the biggest market in the world for narcotics, meth and cocaine....what's your point?...this does not matter because some guy in Afghanistan could starve rather than produce poppies with a gun to his head?

116 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:48:00pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

If there were no more drug market in America, Juarez would cease to become the Mexican border charnel house it is. No market, no organized crime.

If narcotics-based organized crime dominates a country, then the narcotics trade disappears, what happens? People won't fight over something that's worthless.

Kidnapping, gun running, the cartels won't disappear if the drug market dries up.

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:48:29pm

re: #112 Racer X

Please.

They will just find something new to fight over. Microwave ovens or something.

I'm pretty sure that that's not how organized crime works, but hey!

Big difference in organzied crime between smuggling contraband so valuable that people are paying mules to swallow condoms full of it to transport...and microwave ovens. 9_9

I think you got your "it's America's fault" thing happening, and you're staking your claim there. We're talking about real drug policy here.

118 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:48:33pm

re: #111 darthstar

Only conservatives have experienced the real world, don't you know? >>

119 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:48:44pm

re: #114 brookly red

while I have no quarter for the Blame America First crowd when it comes to the appetite for cocaine & heroin we need to plead no contest.

Never tried heroin. Opium, once. As for cocaine, I didn't do that shit. It did me.

120 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:49:00pm

re: #111 darthstar

I lived in Fiji for a year...had a village on the other side of the wall by my house...literally built up against it. Had a classmate who lived there. Would watch him go home where his mother cooked over an open fire. This was in 1980...Euka G. Ninokibau was his name (I liked him...he was a really cool guy...last name pronounced Nee-nong-keem-bow).

so?...you were a high school kid

121 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:49:05pm

re: #113 darthstar

Why on earth would you want Israel to be invaded? That would drag half the planet into a (possibly nuclear) war.

What nukes?

122 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:49:34pm

re: #121 Walter L. Newton

What nukes?

Oh, crap...I got trolled by Walter...again. Silly me.

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:50:14pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Kidnapping, gun running, the cartels won't disappear if the drug market dries up.

No, they won't DISAPPEAR, I never said that. I said the engine of drugs will cease to become part of the contraband economy. The intensity will go down.

124 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:50:16pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Kidnapping, gun running, the cartels won't disappear if the drug market dries up.

well I don't know the trash hauling business is already pretty well covered...

125 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:50:29pm

I like the tag at the end about the Hispanic rep's name being "repeatedly over-enunciated".

126 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:50:48pm

re: #122 darthstar

Oh, crap...I got trolled by Walter...again. Silly me.

dope

127 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:51:10pm

Somewhere I missed where the 'blame america first!' meme got thrown in here, can someone catch me up? It seems nonsensical in the context.

128 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:51:17pm

re: #122 darthstar

Oh, crap...I got trolled by Walter...again. Silly me.

:)

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:51:57pm

re: #127 windsagio

Somewhere I missed where the 'blame america first!' meme got thrown in here, can someone catch me up? It seems nonsensical in the context.

Man I dunno

130 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:52:02pm

re: #120 albusteve

so?...you were a high school kid

Yep...and I learned a lot. I came from a rural Northern California town with one African American kid in a high school of 1500. I went to a school with 9 white kids in a population of about the same. It was a true culture shock...and one of the best things I ever did in my life.

131 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:52:08pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

I'm pretty sure that that's not how organized crime works, but hey!

Big difference in organzied crime between smuggling contraband so valuable that people are paying mules to swallow condoms full of it to transport...and microwave ovens. 9_9

I think you got your "it's America's fault" thing happening, and you're staking your claim there. We're talking about real drug policy here.

Actually it is just the opposite. And I'm not staking a claim - just my point of view. I could be wrong. I could be persuaded otherwise. I am very familiar with substance abuse in America. I know it is not gong away easy; neither is the crime associated with it.

132 Mocking Jay  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:52:17pm

Drug dealers have power. They won't give that up just because the drugs dry up. They'll find something else to do to maintain their station.

133 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:52:42pm

re: #127 windsagio

Somewhere I missed where the 'blame america first!' meme got thrown in here, can someone catch me up? It seems nonsensical in the context.

read the 107 I was replying to...

134 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:53:42pm

re: #95 Racer X


Everyone has a choice in life. Some choose to buy and use drugs, some choose to distribute drugs. Make a different choice if life is getting you down.

Well, that might be true one time (or a couple). However, biological addiction is a real phenomenon. Thus the ability "to choose" takes on a very skewed meaning.

135 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:53:55pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

No, they won't DISAPPEAR, I never said that. I said the engine of drugs will cease to become part of the contraband economy. The intensity will go down.

I agree.

Would you suggest legalization of marijuana? I do. So does Vicente Fox, the previous president of Mexico, and so does half of El Paso's city council, and several other smart people.

136 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:54:23pm

re: #133 brookly red

So yeah, it basicly came out of freakin' nowhere. Got it, thanks :D

137 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:55:10pm

So... I'm leaving for a seniors graduation awards event in a few minutes... so, I decided to wear my special "Indiana Jones" style felt hat, festooned with all sorts of dangly turquoise jewelry I made, a turquoise bolo, one of my totem ties hanging from my belt with silver and turquoise beads... basically a walking (but subtle) display for my handiwork... even have a pocket full of different stone pendants and silver chains... I love these events...

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:55:16pm

re: #131 Racer X

Actually it is just the opposite. And I'm not staking a claim - just my point of view. I could be wrong. I could be persuaded otherwise. I am very familiar with substance abuse in America. I know it is not gong away easy; neither is the crime associated with it.

I'm familiar with substance abuse in America too! All I'm saying is that if there were less of an illegal drug market in America, that there's less motivation for organized crime to sell and smuggle drugs.

And if there's less motivation for that, fewer people will be killed over selling and smuggling drugs.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Not that there's downsides to that policy, but if the street price of illegal drugs goes down, the crime associated with the production and smuggling of them also goes down.

139 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:55:21pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

I agree.

Would you suggest legalization of marijuana? I do. So does Vicente Fox, the previous president of Mexico, and so does half of El Paso's city council, and several other smart people.

that would include me
(not with the smart people)

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:55:28pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

I agree.

Would you suggest legalization of marijuana? I do. So does Vicente Fox, the previous president of Mexico, and so does half of El Paso's city council, and several other smart people.

YES

141 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:56:11pm

They've been trying to curb drug use by attempting to make users feel guilty through ad campaigns for decades now. They even tried attaching marijuana use to terrorist organizations.

Didn't work.

More kids die from inhaling compressed air or stuff like Glade air freshener than those (if any) had died from smoking weed.

142 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:56:16pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

So... I'm leaving for a seniors graduation awards event in a few minutes... so, I decided to wear my special "Indiana Jones" style felt hat, festooned with all sorts of dangly turquoise jewelry I made, a turquoise bolo, one of my totem ties hanging from my belt with silver and turquoise beads... basically a walking (but subtle) display for my handiwork... even have a pocket full of different stone pendants and silver chains... I love these events...

break a leg dood...and consider yourself fortunate

143 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:56:26pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

I agree.

Would you suggest legalization of marijuana? I do. So does Vicente Fox, the previous president of Mexico, and so does half of El Paso's city council, and several other smart people.

well if you did that big agriculture would just step in domestically and squeeze Mexico out... well not completely somebody still has to pick it.

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:56:41pm

re: #95 Racer X

Not buying it.

Everyone has a choice in life. Some choose to buy and use drugs, some choose to distribute drugs. Make a different choice if life is getting you down.

This town has a lot of unemployed people, and some of them are growing pot to get by.

The "different choice" is living on the street.

145 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:56:53pm
146 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:57:00pm

By the way, I posted an LGF Page earlier about cool new (to me) iPhone apps that you can get for free.

The Onion is one of them. Need to laugh your ass off because the day has been a crappy one? Now you don't need to wait to get home to your computer. Sit down in a park somewhere, watch the pretty grrrls playing with the cute dogs, and laugh your ass off wherever† you may be.

†Unless you live in one of those benighted places where AT&T doesn't offer coverage. Thankfully, such places generally have nothing but inbred ugly grrrls and feral dogs.

147 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:58:03pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

So... I'm leaving for a seniors graduation awards event in a few minutes... so, I decided to wear my special "Indiana Jones" style felt hat, festooned with all sorts of dangly turquoise jewelry I made, a turquoise bolo, one of my totem ties hanging from my belt with silver and turquoise beads... basically a walking (but subtle) display for my handiwork... even have a pocket full of different stone pendants and silver chains... I love these events...

Pics, Walter...we want pics. I'll bet you look like a pimp from a bad 70s movie set in New Mexico.

148 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:58:06pm

re: #144 WindUpBird

This town has a lot of unemployed people, and some of them are growing pot to get by.

The "different choice" is living on the street.

grow pot
brew beer
distill gin!
go for it!

149 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:58:14pm

re: #141 Gus 802

They've been trying to curb drug use by attempting to make users feel guilty through ad campaigns for decades now. They even tried attaching marijuana use to terrorist organizations.

Didn't work.

More kids die from inhaling compressed air or stuff like Glade air freshener than those (if any) had died from smoking weed.

Airplane glue, Robotussin, huffing Krylon, aerosol cheese cans...

150 blueraven  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:58:30pm

re: #94 albusteve

don't be obtuse...we are the market, the pot of gold for Mexico and Jamaica

I am not being obtuse, you are showing your bias.

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:58:43pm

re: #148 albusteve

grow pot
brew beer
distill gin!
go for it!

Brewing beer is awesome! But in thos town the market is very competitive 8-)

152 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:59:08pm

re: #150 blueraven

I am not being obtuse, you are showing your bias.

what bias?

153 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:59:21pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

†Unless you live in one of those benighted places where AT&T doesn't offer coverage. Thankfully, such places generally have nothing but inbred ugly grrrls and feral dogs.

Hey! My parents are totally unrelated!! To each other, I mean. Heck, they aren't even married anymore! To each other, I mean.

154 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:59:42pm

re: #149 WindUpBird

Airplane glue, Robotussin, huffing Krylon, aerosol cheese cans...

Right. That reminded me of one that was kind of popular back in the late 70s: wood filler. Disgusting.

155 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:00:03pm

re: #150 blueraven

its not bias, except his bias for raising a ruckus >>

156 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:00:10pm

re: #148 albusteve

grow pot
brew beer
distill gin!
go for it!

/print money! oh no wait a second...

157 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:00:22pm

re: #150 blueraven

I am not being obtuse, you are showing your bias.

Huh? We are the market.

The biggest collection of illegal drug users on the planet, from the guy doin' the junkie lean against a pole down the street from where I live to the cokeheads on Wall Street.

158 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:00:42pm

Man, so who actually wants to keep marijuana illegal anymore? Yeah its the internet, but I don't really know anybody in day to day life that is actually against legalization.

159 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:00:47pm

Top Kill resumed. Fingers crossed again, so excuse the typwonas.

160 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:00:48pm

re: #156 brookly red

/print money! oh no wait a second...

what?...that ILLEGAL!

161 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:02:05pm

re: #158 windsagio

Man, so who actually wants to keep marijuana illegal anymore? Yeah its the internet, but I don't really know anybody in day to day life that is actually against legalization.

All the departments whose DARE grants would dry up.

162 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:02:24pm

re: #158 windsagio

Man, so who actually wants to keep marijuana illegal anymore? Yeah its the internet, but I don't really know anybody in day to day life that is actually against legalization.

I'm more in favor of decriminalization instead of legalize.

163 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:02:41pm

re: #158 windsagio

Man, so who actually wants to keep marijuana illegal anymore? Yeah its the internet, but I don't really know anybody in day to day life that is actually against legalization.

the feds, that's who...they want to make sure when it comes they get their cut and it hasn't been figured out yet...are you dense?

164 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:04:35pm

re: #147 darthstar

Pics, Walter...we want pics. I'll bet you look like a pimp from a bad 70s movie set in New Mexico.

I just took some... I'll post later tonight or tomorrow, going to the award event... the step critter is getting a special award for excellence in make up... dressed in full Ledger Joker costume... and a friend is dress like Harley Quinn

165 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:04:38pm

Déjà vu.

166 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:04:52pm

Pajamas Media had an article about Obama and Woodrow Wilson today too. Is it some Wilsonian anniversary today or something?

Beck: Woodrow Wilson invented "social justice," "destroyed our faith... our Constitution... and our Founders"

167 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:04:54pm

re: #159 darthstar

Top Kill resumed. Fingers crossed again, so excuse the typwonas.

Toes too. This really needs to work.

168 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:05:09pm

the wind is howling, rain coming down sideways, low clouds and poor visibility....and four F-16s just roared over the bunkhouse...I love this town!

169 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:05:44pm

Grow your own = cool with me.
Pick up a regulated dime bag of dirt weed at the local 7-Eleven = no thanks.

170 blueraven  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:06:16pm

re: #157 Cato the Elder

Huh? We are the market.

The biggest collection of illegal drug users on the planet, from the guy doin' the junkie lean against a pole down the street from where I live to the cokeheads on Wall Street.

I dont deny that we are the market. I am curious why albusteve said "fuck you people...you are dissing jamaica", and that we are the source of their greif because of narcotics, weapons etc..and then almost in the same breath says we are Mexico's patsy. So what is the difference?

171 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:06:17pm

re: #169 Racer X

Grow your own = cool with me.
Pick up a regulated dime bag of dirt weed at the local 7-Eleven = no thanks.

comes with a free slurpee...

172 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:06:17pm

re: #163 albusteve

I really am, I figured the Feds would use the alcohol/tobacco model.

I was gonna say 'old people', but that doesn't seem right either >>

re: #162 Racer X

6 of one, half-dozen of the other, really.

173 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:06:26pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

Hi DF! How are you feeling?

174 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:06:42pm

re: #169 Racer X

Grow your own = cool with me.
Pick up a regulated dime bag of dirt weed at the local 7-Eleven = no thanks.

I like pot...especially good pot. But I don't smoke it much anymore. Still, I love the taste of quality herb.

175 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:06:50pm

re: #169 Racer X

Grow your own = cool with me.
Pick up a regulated dime bag of dirt weed at the local 7-Eleven = no thanks.

nobody will ever pay attention to govt regs...not me, I resist

176 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:07:10pm

Man, I almost missed this thread...

~firing up the Dj mode. ~

177 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:07:18pm

re: #170 blueraven

I dont deny that we are the market. I am curious why albusteve said "fuck you people...you are dissing jamaica", and that we are the source of their greif because of narcotics, weapons etc..and then almost in the same breath says we are Mexico's patsy. So what is the difference?

I don't know the source of anyone's "greif" (German for "griffen"), but if you can find me one, I'm buyin'.

178 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:07:43pm

re: #171 brookly red

comes with a free slurpee...

Shit I forgot about that! . .. and a corn dog and a bag of Doritos and a ...

179 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:08:14pm

re: #171 brookly red

comes with a free slurpee...

They make up for it when you buy 17 deep fried whateverthefuckthoseares.

180 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:08:19pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Pajamas Media had an article about Obama and Woodrow Wilson today too. Is it some Wilsonian anniversary today or something?

Beck: Woodrow Wilson invented "social justice," "destroyed our faith... our Constitution... and our Founders"

Woodrow Wilson was not a good president, and his actions during WWI were at times tyrannical, but he was not a devil. The only issue on which his intent was malign was race, as his embrace of D.W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation helped accelerate the growth of the Ku Klux Klan.

181 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:08:37pm

re: #170 blueraven

I dont deny that we are the market. I am curious why albusteve said "fuck you people...you are dissing jamaica", and that we are the source of their greif because of narcotics, weapons etc..and then almost in the same breath says we are Mexico's patsy. So what is the difference?

because some jerktoid posted a squirtgun with regard to Jamaicas JDF...fuck them

182 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:08:43pm

re: #178 Racer X

Shit I forgot about that! . .. and a corn dog and a bag of Doritos and a ...

you know I have never actually seen a corn dog...

183 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:09:28pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

I don't know the source of anyone's "greif" (German for "griffen"), but if you can find me one, I'm buyin'.

I think someone forgot the spelling rule "i before e except after c"

184 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:09:29pm

Sensimelia Medicine

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:09:36pm

re: #173 Racer X

Hi DF! How are you feeling?

Coughing lots of stuff up, just took my second day's dose of antibiotic. I'm feeling all right and today I set up an interview for Tuesday.

186 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:09:39pm

re: #181 albusteve

because some jerktoid posted a squirtgun with regard to Jamaicas JDF...fuck them

It wasn't a squirt gun, it was a green ceramic water pipe in the shape of a gun. A bong, if you will.

187 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:09:44pm

re: #172 windsagio

I really am, I figured the Feds would use the alcohol/tobacco model.

I was gonna say 'old people', but that doesn't seem right either >>

re: #162 Racer X

6 of one, half-dozen of the other, really.

you get a nod for your honesty

188 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:09:59pm

re: #181 albusteve

because some jerktoid posted a squirtgun with regard to Jamaicas JDF...fuck them

Have another hit.

189 blueraven  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:10:00pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

I don't know the source of anyone's "greif" (German for "griffen"), but if you can find me one, I'm buyin'.

Whatever.

190 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:10:14pm

re: #175 albusteve

nobody will ever pay attention to govt regs...not me, I resist

Yeah I don't want the gubment any where near weed. Just leave the pot heads alone and they will figure it out.

Grow your own high quality stash for near free?
Or
Pay some mexican gang bangin' scumbags for dirt weed?

Easy choice.

191 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:10:19pm

re: #187 albusteve

which part? I am proud of my honesty tho :D

192 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:10:43pm

I did a complete remodel on an IHOP kitchen back in...uhh...1980 or so?

After pulling all the line equipment out and kneeling in all the 3/4 inch thick rancid grease on the floor hidden behind and underneath them I swore I would never eat in an IHOP again.

So far I have kept that promise, but then again it is kinda hard to eat in almost any restaurant that you have actually worked in the kitchen of. My advice, don't become an electrician or a plumber if you want to eat out a lot without knowing the conditions your food is prepared under. :p

/

193 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:10:45pm

re: #190 Racer X

The government revenues are one of the big selling points tho'!

194 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:10:59pm

re: #174 darthstar

I like pot...especially good pot. But I don't smoke it much anymore. Still, I love the taste of quality herb.

I do too, but it's strickly home grown...no exceptions, and brother can Americans grow erb!

195 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:11:07pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Have another hit.

of sweet air...

196 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:11:21pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

They don't like WW because it was under his watch that the Fed was instituted. They hate those Jews bankers with vengeance.

They also don't like it that WW ushered in the Income Tax.

197 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:11:32pm

re: #179 darthstar

They make up for it when you buy 17 deep fried whateverthefuckthoseares.

youdontwannaknows with fake cheese sauce are better.

198 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:11:54pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Coughing lots of stuff up, just took my second day's dose of antibiotic. I'm feeling all right and today I set up an interview for Tuesday.

Cool. Vaporizer is your friend. Feel better.

199 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:12:15pm

re: #195 darthstar

of sweet air...

[Video]

If all else fails breathe into a paper bag. /

200 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:12:21pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

He's also a favorite boogey man for the Birch Society. I just thought it was odd to see so much Woodrow Wilson stuff today, I thought maybe there was a reason for it.

201 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:12:47pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

I don't know the source of anyone's "greif" (German for "griffen"), but if you can find me one, I'm buyin'.

griffin? they keep those pesky unicorns away right?

202 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:12:56pm

You downdinging me for humor you disapprove of now, you sad little beeyotch?

Or was it because I misspelled "griffin"?

No matter. You get automatic downdings from me for the next 24 hours. If I can be bothered to read your whinging posts.

203 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:12:58pm

re: #194 albusteve

I do too, but it's strickly home grown...no exceptions, and brother can Americans grow erb!

Maybe we should get together one of these days and discuss this over a tasting menu, so to speak...we might just find we agree on more than you think.

204 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:13:17pm

re: #186 darthstar

It wasn't a squirt gun, it was a green ceramic water pipe in the shape of a gun. A bong, if you will.

I didn't notice....if I was hasty, so be it....I'm not perfect

205 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:13:33pm

re: #193 windsagio

The government revenues are one of the big selling points tho'!

Yup. They will ruin it.

Plus I kinda have a problem with government revenue from weed. Cigs too.

206 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:13:33pm

re: #186 darthstar

It wasn't a squirt gun, it was a green ceramic water pipe in the shape of a gun. A bong, if you will.

A misunderstanding I'm guessing.

207 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:14:20pm

re: #201 brookly red

griffin? they keep those pesky unicorns away right?

Yep. If you value your flowers, get a griffin.

208 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:14:27pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Have another hit.

pass the Colt!

209 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:14:34pm

re: #202 Cato the Elder

You downdinging me for humor you disapprove of now, you sad little beeyotch?

Or was it because I misspelled "griffin"?

No matter. You get automatic downdings from me for the next 24 hours. If I can be bothered to read your whinging posts.

Let the DING-WARS begin!

210 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:15:11pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

A misunderstanding I'm guessing.

Nothing we can't resolve with a little wisdom.

211 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:15:13pm

re: #203 darthstar

Maybe we should get together one of these days and discuss this over a tasting menu, so to speak...we might just find we agree on more than you think.

agreed...I'm ready

212 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:15:30pm

Weed And Gal


- Alozade

#184 (Sinsimelia Medicine - Junior Reid)

213 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:16:14pm

re: #208 albusteve

pass the Colt!

Billy Dee Williams agrees.

214 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:16:24pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Pajamas Media had an article about Obama and Woodrow Wilson today too. Is it some Wilsonian anniversary today or something?

Beck: Woodrow Wilson invented "social justice," "destroyed our faith... our Constitution... and our Founders"

I see now they've expanded into junk-history. Social justice is an ancient concept.

Here's an example from the Federalist Papers more relevant to American history:

The Same Subject Continued: Concerning Dangers from Dissensions Between the States
For the Independent Journal.
Author: Alexander Hamilton
To the People of the State of New York:

SNIP

Laws in violation of private contracts, as they amount to aggressions on the rights of those States whose citizens are injured by them, may be considered as another probable source of hostility. We are not authorized to expect that a more liberal or more equitable spirit would preside over the legislations of the individual States hereafter, if unrestrained by any additional checks, than we have heretofore seen in too many instances disgracing their several codes. We have observed the disposition to retaliation excited in Connecticut in consequence of the enormities perpetrated by the Legislature of Rhode Island; and we reasonably infer that, in similar cases, under other circumstances, a war, not of PARCHMENT, but of the sword, would chastise such atrocious breaches of moral obligation and social justice.

SNIP

215 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:16:48pm

re: #205 Racer X

Yup. They will ruin it.

Plus I kinda have a problem with government revenue from weed. Cigs too.

the feds cannot manage pot manufacturing and usage...the notion is laughable

216 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:16:53pm

re: #208 albusteve

pass the Colt!

it's a Ruger actually...

217 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:17:41pm

re: #203 darthstar

Maybe we should get together one of these days and discuss this over a tasting menu, so to speak...we might just find we agree on more than you think.

That's right, don't invite Bagua to any of the cool parties. Humph!

218 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:17:52pm

re: #216 brookly red

it's a Ruger actually...

But it's easier to say Colt after you've shot yourself in the face a few times with the thing..."Ruger" just leads to laughter.

219 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:18:15pm

re: #213 darthstar

Billy Dee Williams agrees.


[Video]

my next favorite buzz

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:18:21pm

re: #162 Racer X

I'm more in favor of decriminalization instead of legalize.

There's a good argument to be made for at least creating a situation where it's not as plentiful and accessible as tobacco. I'm not sure where I fall. I'd be happy with either.

221 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:18:22pm

re: #205 Racer X

Haha fair enough answer. I don't partake myself, so I don't care about the effect of gov't interference that much >

222 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:18:55pm

re: #194 albusteve

I do too, but it's strickly home grown...no exceptions, and brother can Americans grow erb!

agreed!

223 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:19:05pm

re: #216 brookly red

it's a Ruger actually...

hey Goomba!...either way your dead, right?

224 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:19:27pm

re: #220 WindUpBird

But But!!!!!

Its healthier and safer than tobacco!


Did you let your subscription to high times lapse recently?

(Or not ask **REDACTED** about it?)

225 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:19:59pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

agreed!

high fiver!

226 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:20:13pm

Sticky stinky purple hairs.

*bliss*

227 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:20:19pm

re: #214 Gus 802

Yeah, Beck is working hard to paint social justice as a marxist plot.

228 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:20:40pm

Okay, two more Colt 45 commercials...from back when commercials were cool.

Watch the bullfighting one (it's first) at least.

229 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:21:05pm

Wow, check out this image of the countries that deny gays to serve in the military, it's very interesting.
Visual

230 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:21:10pm

re: #226 Racer X

Sticky stinky purple hairs.

*bliss*

Dankity nuggets.

231 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:21:20pm

Smoke An Acre


- Alonzade & Mr Vegas

(Some fresh stuff off the Island.)

232 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:21:25pm

re: #224 windsagio

But But!!!

Its healthier and safer than tobacco!

Did you let your subscription to high times lapse recently?

(Or not ask **REDACTED** about it?)

I'm not worried about the health/safe thing, I'm more worried about a whole bunch of perma-stoned people on the roads ;-)

I'd like the ability to smoke a joint at a concert without having to hide it. That'd be nice!

233 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:22:07pm

re: #229 Stanley Sea

Well, soon to be 21 >>

234 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:22:29pm

re: #232 WindUpBird

So more the booze model.

235 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:22:37pm

no back woods Jamaican is gonna grow better weed than us right?....RIGHT?...okay, so lets put our heads together and get some good erb online nationwide...fuck the feds, we can figure this out on our own, after all we are PATRIOTS!

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:23:39pm

re: #234 windsagio

So more the booze model.

Exxxactly. Treat it like an intoxicant, because IT IS. And a LOT safer than booze.

237 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:24:01pm

Interesting diary at dKos right now on the relationship between drilling and the cost of oil...not that it isn't possibly flawed, but it's quite interesting:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:24:23pm

re: #235 albusteve

The local nerdy talk radio show I used to listen to, they always had hydroponics gardening store ads on their show. :D

239 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:24:55pm

Every time I get really busy with work, I come back here after a day or two and read the thread headings.

So the Nazis, who were apparently leftists, were now also teh gay according to the brilliant sort of mind that would replace Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin.

I wonder what will happen when they find out that Calvin was French...

They will re-write that history too no doubt. I am sure that if there were no coming warming, in the year 2100 Calvin would be a Texan, fighting at teh Alamo.

But back to the real Nazis. The real no-Godwin historical Nazis.

The central Nazi message was to convince the average German that he was an oppressed victim in his own nation, while simultaneously pumping them up as a master race with a destiny.

There are only certain ways that you can convince the majority that they are victims in their own nation. The Nazis did them all. It is with these points of convergence that people should be very afraid of the very real parallels.

First off, if you are telling people that they are rightful supermen who are better loved than others, the only way that such ubermenschen can be in the dire straits they are is if they were betrayed from within and without. You have to sell many enemies and conspiracy theories everywhere.

1. The government is not loyal to you.

2. The government no longer cares for the values of your nation.

3. Your society's morals have crumbled. The Nazis murdered gay people as well as Jews. In fact, homosexuals were amongst the first groups targeted for murder.

4. As an extension of three, vulnerable groups are quickly identified as the source of those problems. Jews, Gays, Immigrants were all people who were historically marginalized in Germany. They were the first targets.

5. Extreme xeno-phobia needs to be pumped up. Not only does this fire jingoistic rage, which is then something to use as a wedge issue, but it targets the most vulnerable of all groups, recent immigrants. After all, they surely are not real Americans (I'm sorry, we are talking about Germany)

6. Constant references to a mythical synthesis of a shining Germany that never was... The goal of the master race needs to be the full flowering of cultural superiority. For the Germans, of course it was some mix of Wagner and the might of Prussia.

7. This fits well with an alliance with German industry who will fuel the transformation from powerless to "taking it all back." As such German industry funded a massive and sustained media push to get the Nazi message out. It gave a disproportionate voice to the growing craziness and legitimized for public speech what would have been counted as madness earlier.

8. Communists and socialists were everywhere according to the Nazis. Spreading fear of them was a very useful way to keep the angry and disenfranchised riled up. But the real key of it was convincing the middle class that they would lose everything unless drastic measures were taken.

9. The Nazis were not above spreading the most vile lies or whining pitiably. They saw themselves early on as martyrs for a sacred cause. Everyone was out to get the Germans, and as the only "Real Germans," they thought they would take whatever means necessary. Rewriting history and burning books and silencing intellectuals was an early goal of theirs.

10. The Nazis were first and foremost a populist movement. Part of their largest selling point was that they were just average Germans - but with the courage to be everything a German should be - not some whiny gay or socialist or minority professor type of loose morals.

11. They had all sorts of this will fix everything economic theories that in the end of the day favored the industrialists.

Look at the above list and think of Fox, and the messages it and Rush and Beck and Palin and Paul spread. Replace Wagner and the cult of Bismark with a certain view of Christianity and a cult of the Cowboy. Hating gays is the same. replace Jews with blacks and browns.

240 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:25:10pm

re: #238 WindUpBird

The local nerdy talk radio show I used to listen to, they always had hydroponics gardening store ads on their show. :D

the Mother Plant!....HAIL!

241 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:25:10pm

re: #236 WindUpBird

Exxxactly. Treat it like an intoxicant, because IT IS. And a LOT safer than booze.

I had a classmate that fell asleep with a lit joint, his next of kin would argue that point...

242 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:25:42pm

re: #235 albusteve

no back woods Jamaican is gonna grow better weed than us right?...RIGHT?...okay, so lets put our heads together and get some good erb online nationwide...fuck the feds, we can figure this out on our own, after all we are PATRIOTS!

I think most of our weed is grown here anyways. We get a little from Mexico but the vast majority of it is probably grown withing 100 miles of any buyer. California is probably the biggest producer because large growers can get permits.

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:26:11pm

re: #241 brookly red

I had a classmate that fell asleep with a lit joint, his next of kin would argue that point...

Yeah, but compare that to MADD stats ;-)

244 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:26:30pm
Under Mi Sensi



- Mr Vegas ft Hollowpoint

(Ridin Dirty Riddim)

245 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:26:56pm

re: #239 ludwigvanquixote

do you smoke pot?.....sounds like it, any preferences?

246 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:26:59pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

I think most of our weed is grown here anyways. We get a little from Mexico but the vast majority of it is probably grown withing 100 miles of any buyer. California is probably the biggest producer because large growers can get permits.

Yep!

Whenever I go to room parties at my murry furry conventions in California... oh my, the colors.

247 Racer X  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:27:05pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

I think most of our weed is grown here anyways. We get a little from Mexico but the vast majority of it is probably grown withing 100 miles of any buyer. California is probably the biggest producer because large growers can get permits.

L.A. Police just busted a weed farm yesterday. A warehouse with a bunch of grow lights. Lots of weed was confiscated.

*sad face*

248 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:28:07pm

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a "caretaker" permit to grow weed in Oregon. Can you apply for it or do you have to know somebody who has a prescription?

249 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:28:23pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

I think most of our weed is grown here anyways. We get a little from Mexico but the vast majority of it is probably grown withing 100 miles of any buyer. California is probably the biggest producer because large growers can get permits.

when the War comes, I want CA in my pocket

250 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:28:25pm

re: #238 WindUpBird

The local nerdy talk radio show I used to listen to, they always had hydroponics gardening store ads on their show. :D

*rubs eyes* Are we all going gateway drug tonight Bird?
/Teasing you...

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:28:28pm

re: #247 Racer X

"I think we're dying."

"I think we're dead."

"Time is moving really really really really really really slow."

252 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:28:50pm

Here comes the promised thunderstorm.

I'm just now rewatching "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and hoping I don't get a power outage.

Here's bettin' some residual wingnut will show up to explain how Nurse Rat Shit was just tryin' to do her job.

Bets in Krugerrands only.

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:29:02pm

re: #250 HoosierHoops

*rubs eyes* Are we all going gateway drug tonight Bird?
/Teasing you...

I'm perched on the gate, cawing at passers by. :D

254 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:29:06pm

re: #243 WindUpBird

Yeah, but compare that to MADD stats ;-)

well funny thing a lot of people think it is drink or drugs but most often it is both... the beer bone is connected to the joint bone but at the end it was the texting that killed...

255 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:29:26pm

re: #247 Racer X

Yeah, the Feds can still bust people even if they have a permit. Sometimes growers exceed their allotment of plants or just don't get permits at all and the local cops will bust them.

256 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:29:51pm

re: #237 darthstar

That is waaayyy to short of a time sample, and also breadth (types of drilling) to draw any conclusions about drilling and oil price relationships.

The recent drop in WTI oil prices is being driven, in part, by the lack of storage in OK which acts as a nexus between domestic supplies and refineries.

Looking at much longer time spans, drilling follows oil price. When prices go up (and stay there for a time) then drilling is accelerated.

257 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:30:27pm

re: #256 freetoken

That is waaayyy to short of a time sample, and also breadth (types of drilling) to draw any conclusions about drilling and oil price relationships.

The recent drop in WTI oil prices is being driven, in part, by the lack of storage in OK which acts as a nexus between domestic supplies and refineries.

Looking at much longer time spans, drilling follows oil price. When prices go up (and stay there for a time) then drilling is accelerated.

I'm thinking the same thing...time sample is too short.

258 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:30:38pm

Why, why, those Congress re: #239 ludwigvanquixote

Every time I get really busy with work, I come back here after a day or two and read the thread headings.

So the Nazis, who were apparently leftists, were now also teh gay according to the brilliant sort of mind that would replace Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin.

You shore right purdy, Mr. Smartypants!!

259 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:30:39pm

re: #254 brookly red

Well you know how it is, mixing drugs is dangerous.

Also, they all contribute to bad judgement >>

260 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:31:11pm

re: #256 freetoken

PIMF "waaayyy too short of a time sample, and also too narrow a breadth "

261 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:31:43pm

re: #254 brookly red

well funny thing a lot of people think it is drink or drugs but most often it is both... the beer bone is connected to the joint bone but at the end it was the texting that killed...

I can not understand how people could (or would want to) drive while high. *_*

262 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:31:44pm

A documentary for those interested....

The Green Rush

A compelling look at the lives of some not-so-ordinary farmers, The Green Rush is a chronicle of the trials and tribulations of a unique group of marijuana farmers in Northern California.
263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:32:03pm

re: #259 windsagio

Well you know how it is, mixing drugs is dangerous.

Also, they all contribute to bad judgement >>

Don't get drunk and stoned at the same time, not good

264 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:32:07pm

Dr Greenthumb


- Cypress Hill
265 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:32:37pm

re: #261 WindUpBird

I can not understand how people could (or would want to) drive while high. *_*

just a real life video game

266 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:32:40pm

Okay...internet break time...see you all later.

267 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:33:12pm

re: #259 windsagio

Well you know how it is, mixing drugs is dangerous.

Also, they all contribute to bad judgement >>

I support Mother's Against Drunk Voting...

268 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:33:31pm

re: #263 WindUpBird

Don't get drunk and stoned at the same time, not good

you sound like my mother, thanks

269 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:33:33pm

re: #252 Cato the Elder

Here comes the promised thunderstorm.

I'm just now rewatching "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and hoping I don't get a power outage.

Here's bettin' some residual wingnut will show up to explain how Nurse Rat Shit was just tryin' to do her job.

Bets in Krugerrands only.

Great comment. How is Ice and Fire coming?

270 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:33:39pm

re: #261 WindUpBird

I can not understand how people could (or would want to) drive while high. *_*

Ice Cream...

271 b_sharp  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:33:41pm

I always thought the best smoke was grown in Canada.

Why are you 'Mericans trying to steal the crown?

272 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:33:57pm

re: #239 ludwigvanquixote

Every time I get really busy with work, I come back here after a day or two and read the thread headings.

So the Nazis, who were apparently leftists, were now also teh gay according to the brilliant sort of mind that would replace Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin.

I wonder what will happen when they find out that Calvin was French...

They will re-write that history too no doubt. I am sure that if there were no coming warming, in the year 2100 Calvin would be a Texan, fighting at teh Alamo.

But back to the real Nazis. The real no-Godwin historical Nazis.

The central Nazi message was to convince the average German that he was an oppressed victim in his own nation, while simultaneously pumping them up as a master race with a destiny.

There are only certain ways that you can convince the majority that they are victims in their own nation. The Nazis did them all. It is with these points of convergence that people should be very afraid of the very real parallels.

First off, if you are telling people that they are rightful supermen who are better loved than others, the only way that such ubermenschen can be in the dire straits they are is if they were betrayed from within and without. You have to sell many enemies and conspiracy theories everywhere.

1. The government is not loyal to you.

2. The government no longer cares for the values of your nation.

3. Your society's morals have crumbled. The Nazis murdered gay people as well as Jews. In fact, homosexuals were amongst the first groups targeted for murder.

4. As an extension of three, vulnerable groups are quickly identified as the source of those problems. Jews, Gays, Immigrants were all people who were historically marginalized in Germany. They were the first targets.

5. Extreme xeno-phobia needs to be pumped up. Not only does this fire jingoistic rage, which is then something to use as a wedge issue, but it targets the most vulnerable of all groups, recent immigrants. After all, they surely are not real Americans (I'm sorry, we are talking about Germany)

6. Constant references to a mythical synthesis of a shining Germany that never was... The goal of the master race needs to be the full flowering of cultural superiority. For the Germans, of course it was some mix of Wagner and the might of Prussia.

7. This fits well with an alliance with German industry who will fuel the transformation from powerless to "taking it all back." As such German industry funded a massive and sustained media push to get the Nazi message out. It gave a disproportionate voice to the growing craziness and legitimized for public speech what would have been counted as madness earlier.

8. Communists and socialists were everywhere according to the Nazis. Spreading fear of them was a very useful way to keep the angry and disenfranchised riled up. But the real key of it was convincing the middle class that they would lose everything unless drastic measures were taken.

9. The Nazis were not above spreading the most vile lies or whining pitiably. They saw themselves early on as martyrs for a sacred cause. Everyone was out to get the Germans, and as the only "Real Germans," they thought they would take whatever means necessary. Rewriting history and burning books and silencing intellectuals was an early goal of theirs.

10. The Nazis were first and foremost a populist movement. Part of their largest selling point was that they were just average Germans - but with the courage to be everything a German should be - not some whiny gay or socialist or minority professor type of loose morals.

11. They had all sorts of this will fix everything economic theories that in the end of the day favored the industrialists.

The only thing I'd add to this great post is that the fear of communists was not really irrational. The Nazis blew it out of proportion, but there were actual Reds in Germany at the time, and in substantial numbers as well.

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:33:59pm

re: #264 Bagua

Love that song :D

Here's my next karaoke thing:

274 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:34:08pm

re: #261 WindUpBird

I can not understand how people could (or would want to) drive while high. *_*

to get home?

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:34:17pm

re: #268 albusteve

you sound like my mother, thanks

It just gives me the damn roomspins, makes me nauseous *_*

276 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:34:38pm

Kilgore - whatever you do, don't feed your slugs any of your meth, they'll get smarter!

Snails on methamphetamine

How methamphetamine improves snail's memory

277 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:34:50pm

re: #256 freetoken

That is waaayyy to short of a time sample, and also breadth (types of drilling) to draw any conclusions about drilling and oil price relationships.

The recent drop in WTI oil prices is being driven, in part, by the lack of storage in OK which acts as a nexus between domestic supplies and refineries.

Looking at much longer time spans, drilling follows oil price. When prices go up (and stay there for a time) then drilling is accelerated.

Really. Take a look at the gyrations back in '86 - '88. That was a hell of a time to be a Petroleum Geologist.

278 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:35:40pm

re: #265 albusteve

just a real life video game

Yeah, but at 7 mph.

279 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:35:40pm

re: #268 albusteve

you sound like my mother, thanks

look smoking and drinking together is a major cause of STDs...

280 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:35:58pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

The only thing I'd add to this great post is that the fear of communists was not really irrational. The Nazis blew it out of proportion, but there were actual Reds in Germany at the time, and in substantial numbers as well.

This is true, and the economy was in vastly worse straits. The key thing though is that Nazism is based on convincing the majority that they are losing their place. The relative truth of it is secondary to the fear generated by the message if it is believed.

That is the core message of the teabaggers.

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:36:27pm

re: #278 austin_blue

Yeah, but at 7 mph.

What was that line?

"Drunk people run red lights, stoned people wait for the stop sign to change to green..."

282 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:36:42pm

re: #275 WindUpBird

It just gives me the damn roomspins, makes me nauseous *_*

I'm a veteran

283 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:38:26pm

re: #281 WindUpBird

What was that line?

"Drunk people run red lights, stoned people wait for the stop sign to change to green..."

2 words in never wanna hear at 65 MPH, "Oh wow"

284 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:39:36pm

Spark Another Owl


- Cypress Hill
285 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:39:52pm

Eric nobody...don't waste your time

286 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:41:41pm

re: #276 freetoken

Kilgore - whatever you do, don't feed your slugs any of your meth, they'll get smarter!

Snails on methamphetamine

Maybe that's my problem. Somebody is sell meth to my slugs. They are really kicking my ass this year.

287 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:41:58pm

beer run!

288 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:42:26pm

Turns out BP shut down the top kill effort for around 16 hours at midnight see how long it would take for the well to push out the mud they had pumped. Not that long, as it turns out. Now they are thinking of adding "bridging material".

It's a combo Top Kill and Junk Shot! Huzzah!

289 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:42:30pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Maybe that's my problem. Somebody is sell meth to my slugs. They are really kicking my ass this year.

salt.

290 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:42:40pm

re: #269 LudwigVanQuixote

Great comment. How is Ice and Fire coming?

I'm on the fourth book now.

Somebody tortured me here the other night with the notion that Martin might not live to finish the series.

What? He's only 61 years old, and in his pics he looks healthier than I do.

That's like telling a Harry Potter fan that J.K. Rowland would be struck down by Jesus freaks because she's a witch.

Whoever you were, fuck you very much.

291 Reginald Perrin  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:43:04pm

re: #247 Racer X

L.A. Police just busted a weed farm yesterday. A warehouse with a bunch of grow lights. Lots of weed was confiscated.

*sad face*

A few years ago, north of Toronto, there was a grow op bust at a recently closed Molson Brewery.
Everything was done there from growing, drying and processing, with workers actually having living quarters in the former office area. The police raid involved over 100 officers 11 ‘farmers’ were arrested. Police seized +25,000 plants.

292 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:43:22pm
293 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:43:42pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

The only thing I'd add to this great post is that the fear of communists was not really irrational. The Nazis blew it out of proportion, but there were actual Reds in Germany at the time, and in substantial numbers as well.

And Germany would have been better off with them.

294 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:44:30pm

re: #290 Cato the Elder

I'm on the fourth book now.

Somebody tortured me here the other night with the notion that Martin might not live to finish the series.

What? He's only 61 years old, and in his pics he looks healthier than I do.

That's like telling a Harry Potter fan that J.K. Rowland would be struck down by Jesus freaks because she's a witch.

Whoever you were, fuck you very much.

Yeah but we are waiting waiting waiting....

295 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:44:38pm

Marijuana


- Richie Spice
re: #288 austin_blue

Turns out BP shut down the top kill effort for around 16 hours at midnight see how long it would take for the well to push out the mud they had pumped. Not that long, as it turns out. Now they are thinking of adding "bridging material".

It's a combo Top Kill and Junk Shot! Huzzah!

What do you reckon the chances are?

296 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:45:18pm

Damn... forgot I had a song cued.

297 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:46:13pm

re: #288 austin_blue

It's a combo Top Kill and Junk Shot! Huzzah!

Does it come with an order of fries and an XL drink?

298 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:46:23pm

re: #289 brookly red

salt.

rain.

299 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:46:32pm

re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote

This is true, and the economy was in vastly worse straits. The key thing though is that Nazism is based on convincing the majority that they are losing their place. The relative truth of it is secondary to the fear generated by the message if it is believed.

That is the core message of the teabaggers.

Entirely correct. That's part of what pissed me off about the clip on the last thread. The historical revisionism isn't even clever. The nutcase just pretends that the real facts aren't there. To someone like you or I who actually took the time to learn those facts, its like we don't even exist.

300 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:46:55pm

You fine people are in a heavy mood...me, i'm having gin, brie cheese, raspberry preserves, and looking forward to the game. W00t!

301 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:47:28pm

re: #300 Aceofwhat?

You fine people are in a heavy mood...me, i'm having gin, brie cheese, raspberry preserves, and am looking forward to the game. W00t!

pimf...and more gin...

302 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:48:07pm

re: #300 Aceofwhat?

You fine people are in a heavy mood...me, i'm having gin, brie cheese, raspberry preserves, and looking forward to the game. W00t!

I am waiting for my lovely Miss S to get out of an engagement and come over... Interestingly enough we were thinking of some raspberry preserves as well... but for other purposes :)

303 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:48:52pm

The world of politics will have to do without my penetrating insights while the Lakers-Suns game is on. This is one hell of a series.

304 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:49:12pm

re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote

Ludwig! What up Bro?
I'm not sure about your characterizations of the Tea Party..Might be a little strong there..Honest to God..I have never met a tea party activist...So I am not a political expert but I think they are more anti-Obama than pro-Nazi...
I hope so

305 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:49:44pm

re: #288 austin_blue

Turns out BP shut down the top kill effort for around 16 hours at midnight see how long it would take for the well to push out the mud they had pumped. Not that long, as it turns out. Now they are thinking of adding "bridging material".

It's a combo Top Kill and Junk Shot! Huzzah!

What do you reckon the odds of success are now with this new data?

306 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:50:35pm

re: #293 Cato the Elder

And Germany would have been better off with them.

Germany would have been better with the Socialists, yes. The Communists in Germany were Soviet aligned. Had they come to power, the results would have also been massacres. It just would have been different groups massacred. Don't cheer for the German Red Front, they were totalitarians of a vile sort.

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:50:42pm

re: #303 Charles

I was surprised the other night when you mentioned it. Didn't know you were a fan.

308 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:50:44pm

re: #303 Charles

The world of politics will have to do without my penetrating insights while the Lakers-Suns game is on. This is one hell of a series.

You see why I love this guy? Do you?

309 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:51:12pm

re: #302 LudwigVanQuixote

I am waiting for my lovely Miss S to get out of an engagement and come over... Interestingly enough we were thinking of some raspberry preserves as well... but for other purposes :)

heh...good on you...work those calories off!

310 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:51:26pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

Communism is Just a Red Herring.

311 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:51:45pm

re: #303 Charles

you are indeed wise...

312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:51:45pm

re: #304 HoosierHoops

I know some. The ones I know hate Nazis more than they hate Obama. And that is a lot.

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:52:48pm

re: #300 Aceofwhat?

i'm having gin, brie cheese, raspberry preserves, and looking forward to the game. W00t!

Sounds like a Lakers fan to me.

314 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:53:45pm

re: #310 windsagio

Communism is Just a Red Herring.

I can't stay mad at you.

315 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:53:55pm

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like a Lakers fan to me.

i'd rather be called a commie/

316 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:54:32pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

We're quite a pair, you and I.


/now If only I could remember what that's from. Sorry if its something bad >>

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:54:35pm

re: #315 Aceofwhat?

I'm just sayin'. Brie?

318 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:54:45pm

re: #308 HoosierHoops

You see why I love this guy? Do you?

We're lucky he put Mr. Jarreau on hold long enough to make a blog (see #292.)

319 Locker  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:54:56pm

Just a favorite picture of my buddy's dog and his favorite snack...

Image: 9df3886a57.jpg

His title for this piece... "Touch my waffle and DIE!"

320 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:55:22pm

re: #310 windsagio

Communism is Just a Red Herring.

No, it isn't.

321 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:56:58pm

re: #290 Cato the Elder

I'm on the fourth book now.

Somebody tortured me here the other night with the notion that Martin might not live to finish the series.

What? He's only 61 years old, and in his pics he looks healthier than I do.

That's like telling a Harry Potter fan that J.K. Rowland would be struck down by Jesus freaks because she's a witch.

Whoever you were, fuck you very much.

It happened to Robert Jordon. I've been reading that series since 1995. Fortunately his wife was his editor and he had copious notes so they hired another writer to finish the series.

Martin needs to get another damn novel out!!!

322 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:57:05pm

re: #304 HoosierHoops

Ludwig! What up Bro?
I'm not sure about your characterizations of the Tea Party..Might be a little strong there..Honest to God..I have never met a tea party activist...So I am not a political expert but I think they are more anti-Obama than pro-Nazi...
I hope so

Oh dear, you misunderstand me my friend. My point is not that the tea baggers are Nazis even though some of them really are neo-nazis. My point is that the central message behind those who ogrganize the tea parties is the exact same sort of message that teh early Nazis used and it works for the same reasons.

It is the same widely and disproportionately spread meme - spread by the same sorts of people (Fox, German Media of the time) using the same scare tactics and the same central message.

323 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:57:11pm

re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm just sayin'. Brie?

guilty pleasure...

324 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:57:16pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn't.

Have you ever eaten a red herring? Do not speak of that which you do no know.

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:57:21pm

Somewhat on topic.

I hate the Lakers.

Continue...

326 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:57:41pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Yes it really is. Its a bugaboo we've been taught to hate for 80 years, and now that its totally discredited, people still can't let go.

327 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:57:55pm

re: #319 Locker

He must be allies with "the Dogman."

328 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:57:58pm

Good News: The American Academy of Pediatrics has taken back their faulty policy paper on Female Genital Mutilation:

The American Academy of Pediatrics has rescinded a controversial policy statement raising the idea that doctors in some communities should be able to substitute demands for female genital cutting with a harmless clitoral "pricking" procedure.

"We retracted the policy because it is important that the world health community understands the AAP is totally opposed to all forms of female genital cutting, both here in the U.S. and anywhere else in the world," said AAP President Judith S. Palfrey.

The contentious policy statement, issued in April, had condemned the practice of female genital cutting overall. But a small portion of statement suggesting the pricking procedure riled U.S. advocacy groups and survivors of female genital cutting.

In the April statement, the group raised the idea that some physicians should be able to prick or nick a girl's clitoral skin in order to "satisfy cultural requirements." The group likened the nick to an ear piercing.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:58:43pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

I couldn't believe they endorsed it to begin with.

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:59:03pm

re: #229 Stanley Sea

Wow, check out this image of the countries that deny gays to serve in the military, it's very interesting.
Visual

ALways interesting to see the company we keep.

331 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:59:18pm

Gotta go guys! Be well :)

332 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:59:59pm

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like a Lakers fan to me.

Hi Veggie...Ready for the game? The sky is just thundering here...Bad storms in Indiana...Winston is hiding under the bed and I'm pretty sure the hoopster is going off-line in a few minutes....
Go Suns!
/Just in case 20 million volts of lighting hits here any second and I die in an ugly burning death...May I say I always rooted against the Lakers my whole life...Dang..I'm going down soon...The thunder is exploding here...wow..

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:01:08pm

Apple is now the largest tech company in the world!

Re-post from this morning. Cato? I'm starting to agree with you on the corporations...

334 b_sharp  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:01:28pm

re: #324 Cato the Elder

Have you ever eaten a red herring? Do not speak of that which you do no know.

I ate a red snapper once.

335 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:02:02pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

[Video]

That was one of the best bands I ever played with! Didn't know that video was out there, thanks.

336 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:02:12pm

re: #295 Bagua

Marijuana

[Video]
- Richie Spice


What do you reckon the chances are?

Not good. The problem is that they'll have to get enough mud and junk down there to kill the well long enough for the cement to set between the production liner and the previously installed casing since it is looking more and more like a back-side blow out. The cement needs to set for at least 20 hours with no gas intrusion. Meanwhile, the well is still kicking at over 16,000 psi.

Like I said the other night, I'm thinking that BP is playing a suck along game until they get the relief well down for a legitimate shot at a Bottom Kill. Same as Ixtoc in '79 and the Java Sea well last year. Both needed bottom kills. One took ten months, the most recent, three.

Strap in, Gulf Coast.

Oh, and I hope I am completely, dead-ass, spectacularly wrong.

337 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:02:39pm

re: #326 windsagio

Yes it really is. Its a bugaboo we've been taught to hate for 80 years, and now that its totally discredited, people still can't let go.

Wind, please understand what I am trying to say. I'm not talking about Communism today, or at all in the USA for that matter. I'm talking about the Communists who existed in Germany between 1918 and 1933. They were not a red herring, they really did exist and really did want to transform Germany into a Communist state. Note also that I am not, unlike Glenn Beck, lumping German Socialist in with the Communists, as the Socialist were not violent and did not seek wholesales dispossession of people.

338 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:02:55pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

I can't stay mad at you.

Yay! I was your alter dinger & I couldn't keep up.

339 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:03:16pm

re: #318 wrenchwench

We're lucky he put Mr. Jarreau on hold long enough to make a blog (see #292.)

yeah, watching that now. makes me embarrassed of the few things i can do with a guitar...

340 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:03:26pm

My mom just called me after going to a church meeting with a man who was along for the "Freedom Rides" during the 1960s.

She told me a story from my youth, about how when I was six or seven I saw the anti-segregation marches on teevee with Uncle Walt of CBS. Apparently I asked what that was all about, and she told me. And apparently I asked her, "So, why aren't you there with them?"

She was laughing and crying just now, telling me the story.

341 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:03:36pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

I like your new avatar.

Also, "Difficult as it is for me to see, unless I write" ?

342 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:03:40pm

re: #334 b_sharp

I ate a red snapper once.

tasty little commies ain't dey?

343 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:03:49pm

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

heh sorry for the outburst, communism annoys me >>

Plus it was an awesome joke, dmamit!

344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:04:22pm

re: #335 Charles

That was one of the best bands I ever played with! Didn't know that video was out there, thanks.

Get it Charles!
-Al Jarreau

The man's voice was an amazing instrument.

345 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:04:46pm

re: #335 Charles

That was one of the best bands I ever played with! Didn't know that video was out there, thanks.

There are several from that concert. I haven't watched them all yet. This guy posted them.

346 b_sharp  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:06:32pm

re: #342 brookly red

tasty little commies ain't dey?

Quite. It was cooked up by my SiL.

Now I try to eat a few every summer.

347 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:06:35pm

re: #335 Charles

That was one of the best bands I ever played with! Didn't know that video was out there, thanks.

Is that you on the guitar, Charles? Because it does look like you and its sounds great.

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:07:00pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Al said, "Get it Charles!"

349 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:07:51pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Is that you on the guitar, Charles? Because it does look like you and its sounds great.

As far as I know, that was me playing.

350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:08:04pm

Steve Nash must've played some hockey... tough bastard.

351 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:08:06pm

re: #346 b_sharp

Quite. It was cooked up by my SiL.

Now I try to eat a few every summer.

as far as fish go they are inexpensive and easy to prepare eat more.

352 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:08:47pm

re: #297 freetoken

Does it come with an order of fries and an XL drink?

Nope, a Filet o' Fish, pre-oiled and deep fried.

353 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:09:08pm

re: #343 windsagio

heh sorry for the outburst, communism annoys me >>

Plus it was an awesome joke, dmamit!

It's all good. I just wanted to make sure it was clear I wasn't going on some paranoid rant, but was speaking to the conditions that actually prevailed at the time.

354 b_sharp  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:10:06pm

re: #351 brookly red

as far as fish go they are inexpensive and easy to prepare eat more.

I have a wife who hates fish and won't let me cook them in the house, so I have to wait until I can dig out the BBQ.

355 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:10:20pm

re: #341 prairiefire

I like your new avatar.

Also, "Difficult as it is for me to see, unless I write" ?

It's a Celtic cross, put up to reclaim them from the Nazis who would use that symbol (truncated to have equal arms top, bottom and sides, though some still persist in calling it "Celtic") as a substitute for the swastika.

And my motto means "it is hard not to write satire".

If I'm ever knighted, that will be my knightly saw. Whatever. It remains true in view of the world as it is now and ever shall be.

356 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:11:31pm

re: #355 Cato the Elder

It's a Celtic cross, put up to reclaim them from the Nazis who would use that symbol (truncated to have equal arms top, bottom and sides, though some still persist in calling it "Celtic") as a substitute for the swastika.

And my motto means "it is hard not to write satire".

If I'm ever knighted, that will be my knightly saw. Whatever. It remains true in view of the world as it is now and ever shall be.

Chaucer would agree with all of your comments.

357 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:11:45pm

re: #352 austin_blue

Nope, a Filet o' Fish, pre-oiled and deep fried.

Tuesday I had the first soft shelled crabs of the much too short season... batter dipped deep fried, served w/grilled veggies & long grain rice. Praise the Lord.

358 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:12:26pm

re: #354 b_sharp

I have a wife who hates fish and won't let me cook them in the house, so I have to wait until I can dig out the BBQ.

that Sir is love.

359 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:14:25pm

re: #349 Charles

As far as I know, that was me playing.

Very Cool.

360 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:14:58pm

re: #336 austin_blue

Not good. The problem is that they'll have to get enough mud and junk down there to kill the well long enough for the cement to set between the production liner and the previously installed casing since it is looking more and more like a back-side blow out. The cement needs to set for at least 20 hours with no gas intrusion. Meanwhile, the well is still kicking at over 16,000 psi.

Like I said the other night, I'm thinking that BP is playing a suck along game until they get the relief well down for a legitimate shot at a Bottom Kill. Same as Ixtoc in '79 and the Java Sea well last year. Both needed bottom kills. One took ten months, the most recent, three.

Strap in, Gulf Coast.

Oh, and I hope I am completely, dead-ass, spectacularly wrong.

Thank you for that.

My take on BP's revelation that they had stopped pumping earlier is that it is a mildly positive sign. This at least shows they were successful in getting some mud down the well without causing a rupture.

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:16:16pm

re: #357 brookly red
Shellfish farmers in other parts of the world are rejoicing, don'tcha think?

362 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:16:54pm

Zombie has a new whitewash of the Tea Parties posted at Pajamas media. Not as bad a previous attempts. The only outright lie was about the Larouchies not being in the Tea Party area. Her pics and the video she posted pretty clearly show her claim isn't true. She also failed to mention that the San Fran Tea Parties and Code Pink are considering joining forces.
She did highlight some mispelled Tea Party signs so that's an improvement.

363 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:17:42pm

Holy crap! The thunderstorm is so loud now that Winston ran out from under the bed, down the hallway, past the living room into the family room at full speed into my lap a minute ago...He is shaking like crazy..Funnier than heck..
So far no power outrage..I'm jinked

364 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:17:54pm

Depressing news...

Document says number of attempted attacks on U.S. is at all-time high

Just weeks after the failed car bombing of New York's Times Square, the Department of Homeland Security says "the number and pace of attempted attacks against the United States over the past nine months have surpassed the number of attempts during any other previous one-year period."

That grim assessment is contained in an unclassified DHS intelligence memo prepared for various law enforcement groups, which says terror groups are expected to try attacks inside the United States with "increased frequency."

365 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:18:47pm

re: #364 Nimed

Tinfoil hat conspiracy theory:

They're purposely trying extra hard to get an attack through right now in order to discredit the current administration

366 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:18:51pm

I miss a Wheel of Time discussion?

367 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:19:24pm

re: #335 Charles

That was one of the best bands I ever played with! Didn't know that video was out there, thanks.

Charles! Woot!

368 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:19:43pm

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shellfish farmers in other parts of the world are rejoicing, don'tcha think?

yes for sure, but for now I want Virginia crabs & oysters, Canadian lobsters.

369 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:20:01pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I miss a Wheel of Time discussion?

No, Ice and Fire. I lamented the death of Robert Jordan and that was the end...

370 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:20:42pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I miss a Wheel of Time discussion?

wanna have one?

371 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:20:57pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Zombie also acknowledged the presence of Alex Jones fans among the Tea Party crowd.

372 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:21:00pm

re: #369 rwdflynavy

No, Ice and Fire. I lamented the death of Robert Jordan and that was the end...

Hope to picking up book 2 of that this weekend.

373 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:21:47pm

re: #372 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hope to picking up book 2 of that this weekend.

That is also a great series.

374 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:21:55pm

re: #370 rwdflynavy

wanna have one?

Thinking about rereading that soon. If I start now, I should be ready just in time for the next book.

375 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:22:27pm

re: #373 rwdflynavy

That is also a great series.

Book 2 of the Ice and Fire series, I got all the WoT Books

376 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:22:36pm

re: #373 rwdflynavy

That is also a great series.

I'm reading some of Martin's older stuff since Ludwig said you can't be a real sci fi/fantasy type if you don't read older Martin stuff!!
//

377 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:23:01pm

re: #365 windsagio

Tinfoil hat conspiracy theory:

They're purposely trying extra hard to get an attack through right now in order to discredit the current administration

yes that is kinda true I will give you that

378 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:23:05pm

re: #375 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Book 2 of the Ice and Fire series, I got all the WoT Books

What did you think of the Sanderson version? I enjoyed it.

379 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:23:06pm

Gosh, someone post something cheerful. I know.

Unicorn horns will plug the leak. Works every time.

380 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:23:34pm

re: #376 rwdflynavy

I'm reading some of Martin's older stuff since Ludwig said you can't be a real sci fi/fantasy type if you don't read older Martin stuff!!
//

I liked the Wild Card series he managed with other writers back in the 80s.

381 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:24:27pm

re: #378 rwdflynavy

What did you think of the Sanderson version? I enjoyed it.

It was good. I met him once and he has a real passion for making sure it gets down right.

382 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:24:32pm

re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thinking about rereading that soon. If I start now, I should be ready just in time for the next book.

I listened to the whole series in the car before the last one came out. Good times.

383 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:25:26pm

re: #381 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was good. I met him once and he has a real passion for making sure it gets down right.

That does seem to be the case. He is certainly taking it seriously.

384 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:25:37pm

re: #379 Bagua

Gosh, someone post something cheerful. I know.

Unicorn horns will plug the leak. Works every time.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

nuff said

385 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:25:45pm

re: #382 rwdflynavy

I listened to the whole series in the car before the last one came out. Good times.

I really want to see what the hell is up with Mazrim Taim.

386 lostlakehiker  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:26:26pm

re: #47 freetoken

Put in the Pages a link to the NatGeo page with images from their special airing tonight on the Horizons disaster.

When one looks at this photo and realize how big that structure is that is burning and collapsing... then the magnitude of this industrial "accident" hits home. I suspect the NatGeo special will make more tangible the horror that the dead 11 went through.

It's vexing that some manager from BP can come in and insist that the next step be done his way, and blow off the safety concerns of the guy who's most directly plugged in to the problem. Same deal as with Challenger, back when.

These guys who drift in from stratospheric management and call the shots without knowing which end of the gun goes bang are dicing with other peoples' lives. How about a law: you bet the lives of workers/astronauts/whoever, over the objections of the man on the spot, and if your bet goes wrong with multiple fatalities, just like predicted, that counts as manslaughter?

We wouldn't see as many heads I win tails you die decisions, would we?

387 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:26:40pm

Lots of loose ends to tie up...so who killed Asmodean?
//

388 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:27:29pm

re: #357 brookly red

Tuesday I had the first soft shelled crabs of the much too short season... batter dipped deep fried, served w/grilled veggies & long grain rice. Praise the Lord.

Haz you evah had 'em done up Thai style?

389 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:27:37pm

re: #387 rwdflynavy

Lots of loose ends to tie up...so who killed Asmodean?
//

... when afterall it was you & me.

390 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:27:50pm

re: #387 rwdflynavy

Lots of loose ends to tie up...so who killed Asmodean?
//

Bela. I never trusted that horse.

/

It has been confirmed by Sanderson that Asmodean's killer will be revealed before the end.

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:28:09pm

Did someone tell Craig Sager he looked good in those clown outfits?

392 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:28:16pm

re: #386 lostlakehiker

powerpoint led to the Challenger disaster, if you buy Tufte's take on the matter...

393 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:28:29pm

re: #384 brookly red

That's got to hurt.

394 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:28:53pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bela. I never trusted that horse.

/

It has been confirmed by Sanderson that Asmodean's killer will be revealed before the end.

Bela would certainly explain his surprise!

395 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:29:08pm

re: #349 Charles

As far as I know, that was me playing.

Sorry Charles..But I consider you a Jazz/Fusion Guitarist...Your timing is world class...In fact I consider you a Jon Scofield fusion player...I've played guitar most of my life..I see those scales you are playing..This isn't play school...When it comes to music,,,Kudo's Charles
/Don't delete me bro!
LOL

396 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:29:10pm

re: #388 Cato the Elder

Haz you evah had 'em done up Thai style?

I live in NYC ;) yes both in restaurants & by Thai gfs... life is good.

397 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:29:22pm

re: #372 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hope to picking up book 2 of that this weekend.

Glad you shared. I was waiting for Cato to finish book 4 so that we could discuss the story without fearing spoilers.

Looks like we'll have to do it in a LGF page...

398 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:29:37pm

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did someone tell Craig Sager he looked good in those clown outfits?

i posted the other night that i think he's the biggest waste of space with a microphone in sports. his interviews are as vapid as his wardrobe...i don't understand it.

399 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:30:00pm

re: #389 brookly red

... when afterall it was you & me.

Where is Steve?

400 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:30:13pm

re: #397 Nimed

Glad you shared. I was waiting for Cato to finish book 4 so that we could discuss the story without fearing spoilers.

Looks like we'll have to do it in a LGF page...

I think I will re-read that one too. Such good characters!

401 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:30:22pm

re: #394 rwdflynavy

Bela would certainly explain his surprise!

I'm also hoping Lan and Isom have a showdown.

402 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:30:41pm

re: #397 Nimed

Glad you shared. I was waiting for Cato to finish book 4 so that we could discuss the story without fearing spoilers.

Looks like we'll have to do it in a LGF page...

Nah, go right ahead.

403 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:30:52pm

re: #393 Bagua

That's got to hurt.

yes the bull is still in therapy, gotta love it...

404 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:30:57pm

re: #384 brookly red

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

nuff said

Holy crap! Is that his tongue? I don't think it's supposed to come that far out of one's mouth.

Image: JULIO-APARICIO-GORED.jpg

405 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:31:02pm

re: #360 Bagua

Thank you for that.

My take on BP's revelation that they had stopped pumping earlier is that it is a mildly positive sign. This at least shows they were successful in getting some mud down the well without causing a rupture.

I wish I could be more optimistic, all I can see on the live feed is a bunch of uninterrupted spewage. Sometimes the camera pans around and I get to see the spew from another angle. I'm sure I don't have the right experience to know what I'm looking at though, will the spew change colors when the top kill starts working?

spew.

406 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:31:29pm

re: #399 prairiefire

Where is Steve?

do I look like a rat to you? *spits*

407 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:32:24pm

re: #406 brookly red

Well, then post a Stone's song!

408 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:32:34pm

I'm looking forward to Mat and Thom rescuing Moraine.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:32:38pm

re: #398 Aceofwhat?

Check this out from his Wiki...

Personal

Sager's wife, Stacy, a former NBA dancer, and Sager have 2 children, Riley and Ryan. Sager also has three children from a previous marriage, including Craig Jr., a walk-on wide receiver at the University of Georgia.


The clothes got him a Laker Girl.

I'm going to shut up.

410 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:33:43pm

re: #400 rwdflynavy

I think I will re-read that one too. Such good characters!

Best fantasy series for me, hands down. I haste to add I never read The Wheel of Time. The 11 volumes (at the time) were a bit discouraging.

411 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:33:54pm

re: #384 brookly red

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

nuff said

I saw that a couple of days ago. Soo gruesome.

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:34:08pm

re: #404 darthstar

Bull 1
Matador 0

413 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:35:03pm

re: #410 Nimed

Best fantasy series for me, hands down. I haste to add I never read The Wheel of Time. The 11 volumes (at the time) were a bit discouraging.

I also enjoyed the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. It dragged a little toward the end of the series, but was fun nonetheless.

414 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:35:11pm

re: #405 goddamnedfrank

I wish I could be more optimistic, all I can see on the live feed is a bunch of uninterrupted spewage. Sometimes the camera pans around and I get to see the spew from another angle. I'm sure I don't have the right experience to know what I'm looking at though, will the spew change colors when the top kill starts working?

spew.

I'm probably hallucinating but I think one of the leaks was choked down a bit. The one they just zoomed in on. If the junkshot works and they keep pumping we should see the ejected mud reduce in volume.

415 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:35:12pm

re: #411 Stanley Sea

I saw that a couple of days ago. Soo gruesome.

Man, I was trying to avoid that. it is an awful sport. Feh.

416 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:35:23pm

re: #408 rwdflynavy

I'm looking forward to Mat and Thom rescuing Moraine.

Especially given who the old man probably is.

417 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:35:45pm

re: #396 brookly red

I live in NYC ;) yes both in restaurants & by Thai gfs... life is good.

That's right. I keep forgetting about your truncated nick, and thinking it has something to do with funky aglae on a river.

418 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:35:56pm

re: #410 Nimed

Best fantasy series for me, hands down. I haste to add I never read The Wheel of Time. The 11 volumes (at the time) were a bit discouraging.

If you can get past the awful Daryl K. Sweet covers, WOT is awesome stuff.

419 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:36:00pm

re: #407 prairiefire

Well, then post a Stone's song!

why? you already know the tune... pleased to meet you.

420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:36:29pm

re: #404 darthstar

Yay! I have a new desktop background!

421 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:36:35pm

re: #414 Bagua

I see the CG Admiral has stated a new flow rate for the leak. Do you think it will be revised upwards again?

422 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:36:51pm

re: #413 rwdflynavy

I also enjoyed the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. It dragged a little toward the end of the series, but was fun nonetheless.

i felt the exact same way

423 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:37:05pm

re: #412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bull 1
Matador 0

Brutal stuff. Hopefully the bull yielded good steaks thereafter.

424 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:37:21pm

re: #412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bull 1
Matador 0

[UPDATE: After two operations, it appears leading surgeon Maximo Garcia Pedros has saved Aparicio's life. The bull, however, was quickly killed by other matadors.]

Bull 0

Matador 0

Surgeon 1

425 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:37:31pm

re: #417 Cato the Elder

That's right. I keep forgetting about your truncated nick, and thinking it has something to do with funky aglae on a river.

come and visit some time, China town in the heat of summer is so delicious ;)

426 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:37:40pm

One of the bigger leaks is definitely reduced. The one on the middle right that they zoomed into a couple times.

427 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:37:45pm

re: #422 Aceofwhat?

i felt the exact same way

Darken Rahl was such an absolute EVIL dude, especially in the first book. Scary stuff.

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:38:22pm

re: #423 Dark_Falcon

re: #424 wrenchwench

I think that what Michael Vick did was no worse than what they do there.

429 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:38:58pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Check this out from his Wiki...

Personal


The clothes got him a Laker Girl.

I'm going to shut up.

You know the meatloaf song? Sager's suit is currently playing the role of "that"...i'd do anything for love...but not that.

430 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:39:05pm

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #424 wrenchwench

I think that what Michael Vick did was no worse than what they do there.

Vick didn't get in the ring and let the dogs try to attack him. That made it worse.

431 Renaissance_Man  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:39:15pm

re: #410 Nimed

Best fantasy series for me, hands down. I haste to add I never read The Wheel of Time. The 11 volumes (at the time) were a bit discouraging.

It's good, certainly one of the better ones (Ice and Fire, I mean) but I wouldn't say it's the best. There are a few elements that really frustrate me about it, and not just little stylistic quibbles either. I have not read Wheel of Time myself, but a friend whose literary opinion I respect far more than mine loves it, but says I would hate it for the endless patheticityTM of several main characters.

432 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:39:43pm

re: #415 prairiefire

Man, I was trying to avoid that. it is an awful sport. Feh.

some times the burgers fight back ;)

433 Interesting Times  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:39:54pm

re: #404 darthstar

Joe traveled to Spain and wandered into a Madrid restaurant one night for a late dinner. He ordered the house specialty and was brought a plate with potatoes, corn, and two large meaty objects: O O

"What's this?" Joe asked.

"Cojones, senor," the waiter replied.

"But, what are cojones?" Joe asked.

"Cojones," the waiter explained, "are the testicles of the bull who lost at the arena this afternoon."

At first Joe was disgusted; but being the adventurous type, he decided to try this local delicacy. To Joe's amazement, it was quite delicious. In fact, it was so good, Joe decided to return the next night and order it again. This time, the waiter brought out the plate, but the meaty objects were much smaller: o o

"What's this?" Joe asked the waiter.

"Cojones, senor," the waiter replied.

"No, no," Joe objected, "I had cojones yesterday and they were much bigger than these."

"Senor," the waiter explained, "the bull does not always lose."

434 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:39:58pm

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #424 wrenchwench

I think that what Michael Vick did was no worse than what they do there.

At least the matador has a little more on the line than a dog fight operator does.

But I'm not gonna argue the point.

435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:40:20pm

re: #430 rwdflynavy

Yes, i agree he was a fucking cowardly douche-bag. But he didn't build an industry around the cruelty.

But, I see your point.

436 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:40:43pm

re: #427 rwdflynavy

Darken Rahl was such an absolute EVIL dude, especially in the first book. Scary stuff.

Yep. And the mord'sith or whatever they're called were a great concept.

He got a little overemotional for me at times, with some of the teary-eyed leadership, but i enjoyed a lot of the premises and plot devices.

437 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:40:46pm

re: #430 rwdflynavy

Vick didn't get in the ring and let the dogs try to attack him. That made it worse.

I would watch that.

438 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:41:17pm

re: #437 Spare O'Lake

I would watch that.

We could be rich!!!

439 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:41:21pm
440 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:41:34pm

re: #397 Nimed

Glad you shared. I was waiting for Cato to finish book 4 so that we could discuss the story without fearing spoilers.

Looks like we'll have to do it in a LGF page...

Give me a couple of days. I'm fascinated, in the original sense of the word, though it's got nothing to do with fascism in this case.

What I love is how Martin raises a question in the mind of the reader and doesn't solve the puzzle until three books later.

That bastard had better live to complete the series, or I'm going to raise up Thoros the Red Priest from the Realm of Fiction to reanimate him.

I can do that, you know. Samwise Gamgee is currently renting my basement apartment.

441 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:42:31pm

re: #404 darthstar

Holy crap! Is that his tongue? I don't think it's supposed to come that far out of one's mouth.

Image: JULIO-APARICIO-GORED.jpg

Sweet Baby Jesus...

442 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:42:37pm

Reminder: spoilers should only be posted here in Morse code.

Charles, can we get a widget for that?

443 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:42:58pm

re: #441 austin_blue

Sweet Baby Jesus...

That's gonna leave a mark!

444 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:43:29pm

re: #431 Renaissance_Man

It's good, certainly one of the better ones (Ice and Fire, I mean) but I wouldn't say it's the best. There are a few elements that really frustrate me about it, and not just little stylistic quibbles either. I have not read Wheel of Time myself, but a friend whose literary opinion I respect far more than mine loves it, but says I would hate it for the endless patheticityTM of several main characters.

Good man, let's hear those complaints. And your alternative nominee.

445 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:43:34pm

re: #442 Cato the Elder

Reminder: spoilers should only be posted here in Morse code.

Charles, can we get a widget for that?

I'm fluent in Igpa Atinla...
//

446 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:43:37pm

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #424 wrenchwench

I think that what Michael Vick did was no worse than what they do there.

I do, the dogs are exploited (I have raised pit bulls) at least in a bull fight (which I do not approve of) the bull sometimes beats the odds and puts a handle on the man.

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:44:55pm

re: #446 brookly red

I added an amendment...

448 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:45:36pm

re: #421 freetoken

I see the CG Admiral has stated a new flow rate for the leak. Do you think it will be revised upwards again?

Was it the numbers from the FRTG? Those look pretty conclusive. Using their highest number it is about 75% less than that Purdue Professor Wereley who claimed an error range of 20% in either direction.

449 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:46:31pm

re: #448 Bagua

It's the USGS new estimate of 12,000 to 19,000 bbpd.

450 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:47:16pm
451 Renaissance_Man  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:47:43pm

re: #444 Nimed

Good man, let's hear those complaints. And your alternative nominee.

Won't post the complaints for fear of spoilers. My literary taste is on one hand terrible, because I can enjoy most anything, even if it annoys me. Same with movies - they can be incredibly bad, like Phantom Menace bad, and I still enjoy them. A couple I like more than most though are Christopher Stasheff's Warlock series, light and fluffy as it may be, and Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos series.

452 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:48:39pm

re: #451 Renaissance_Man

Won't post the complaints for fear of spoilers. My literary taste is on one hand terrible, because I can enjoy most anything, even if it annoys me. Same with movies - they can be incredibly bad, like Phantom Menace bad, and I still enjoy them. A couple I like more than most though are Christopher Stasheff's Warlock series, light and fluffy as it may be, and Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos series.

Love the Taltos series. I'll have to checkout the Warlock series.

453 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:48:57pm

re: #440 Cato the Elder

That bastard had better live to complete the series, or I'm going to raise up Thoros the Red Priest from the Realm of Fiction to reanimate him.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. There's no reanimation in ASoIaF.

454 Kragar  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:49:06pm

re: #451 Renaissance_Man

Won't post the complaints for fear of spoilers. My literary taste is on one hand terrible, because I can enjoy most anything, even if it annoys me. Same with movies - they can be incredibly bad, like Phantom Menace bad, and I still enjoy them. A couple I like more than most though are Christopher Stasheff's Warlock series, light and fluffy as it may be, and Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos series.

I'm a big fan of the Taltos series

455 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:49:39pm

re: #454 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm a big fan of the Taltos series

I haven't read those in years, might have to pick them up.

456 Daniel Ballard  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:49:47pm

re: #115 albusteve

Chicken and egg question. Do drugs cause criminals or are the criminals an independent phenomenon, bound to exist via breaking laws for money. Robbery instead if drugs were legal?

I have no moral qualms with my or somebody else's recreational high. the consequences of where your money goes though has real merit. Cartels kill.

457 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:49:48pm

re: #360 Bagua

Why the different colors of the "spew" wasn't it more uniform before?

458 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:49:56pm

Seems reasonable to me, who hasn't wanted to go out for pancakes at 3 or 4 am?

Besides since I got kicked out of the Village Inn for bringing a known prostitute in there at 3am or so (it is a long story, even longer because there was no sex involved). If I hadn't got indignant and argued with the idiot college kid night manager about it I wouldn't have been banned.

Thats ok I got her a meal elsewhere...

/and no, there was still no sex involved. :p

459 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:49:58pm

KOBEE

460 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:50:51pm

re: #458 ausador

Seems reasonable to me, who hasn't wanted to go out for pancakes at 3 or 4 am?

Besides since I got kicked out of the Village Inn for bringing a known prostitute in there at 3am or so (it is a long story, even longer because there was no sex involved). If I hadn't got indignant and argued with the idiot college kid night manager about it I wouldn't have been banned.

Thats ok I got her a meal elsewhere...

/and no, there was still no sex involved. :p

Banned from the Village Inn. That's like a badge of honor dude!

461 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:51:05pm

re: #458 ausador

Seems reasonable to me, who hasn't wanted to go out for pancakes at 3 or 4 am?

Besides since I got kicked out of the Village Inn for bringing a known prostitute in there at 3am or so (it is a long story, even longer because there was no sex involved). If I hadn't got indignant and argued with the idiot college kid night manager about it I wouldn't have been banned.

Thats ok I got her a meal elsewhere...

/and no, there was still no sex involved. :p

hookers gotta eat too...

462 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:51:11pm

re: #440 Cato the Elder

Give me a couple of days. I'm fascinated, in the original sense of the word, though it's got nothing to do with fascism in this case.

What I love is how Martin raises a question in the mind of the reader and doesn't solve the puzzle until three books later.

That bastard had better live to complete the series, or I'm going to raise up Thoros the Red Priest from the Realm of Fiction to reanimate him.

I can do that, you know. Samwise Gamgee is currently renting my basement apartment.

I'd imagine Sam is a good tenant. But is there room for his thirteen kids, even if they are kind of short?

463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:51:34pm

re: #459 Stanley Sea

KOBEE

With the white hot burning passion of a thousand suns... the hate...

464 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:52:06pm

holy shit that shot.

kobeee

465 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:52:28pm

re: #463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

With the white hot burning passion of a thousand suns... the hate...

I understand

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:52:36pm

re: #460 rwdflynavy

Banned from the Village Inn. That's like a badge of honor dude!

One of my favorite Jeff Foxworthy lines...

My cousin was fired as a cook from the Waffle House. Because of his appearance.

467 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:53:08pm

re: #453 Nimed

I'm not sure what you mean by this. There's no reanimation in ASoIaF.

Huh? How long has it been since you've read the books?

Lord Beric Dondarrion, raised from the dead multiple times by the grace of the god R'hhlor.

468 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:53:19pm

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One of my favorite Jeff Foxworthy lines...

My cousin was fired as a cook from the Waffle House. Because of his appearance.

If you've ever been too drunk to fish...

469 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:53:20pm

Oh Noes!
The Lakers are playing great Defense...And hitting the shots!
Jack Nickelson is standing up clapping..
Is there no justice in this world?

470 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:54:07pm

re: #449 freetoken

It's the USGS new estimate of 12,000 to 19,000 bbpd.

Yes, that's it. Here is the Flow Rate Technical Group fact sheet. That sounds like a rigorous group.

471 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:54:22pm

re: #462 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd imagine Sam is a good tenant. But is there room for his thirteen kids, even if they are kind of short?

You forget: Sam is a hobbit. Any extra room he needs, he tunnels.

Hey, I never mess with my tenants unless they keep me up at night.

472 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:54:53pm

re: #456 Rightwingconspirator

Chicken and egg question. Do drugs cause criminals or are the criminals an independent phenomenon, bound to exist via breaking laws for money. Robbery instead if drugs were legal?

I have no moral qualms with my or somebody else's recreational high. the consequences of where your money goes though has real merit. Cartels kill.

criminals are criminals, do knives cause criminals? do unlocked cars cause criminals? do un-covered women cause criminals? no.

473 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:56:06pm

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One of my favorite Jeff Foxworthy lines...

My cousin was fired as a cook from the Waffle House. Because of his appearance.

what did he wear a tie?

474 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:57:06pm

Time for me to get some sleep.

Thanks for the great discussions tonight.

475 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:57:14pm

re: #468 rwdflynavy

If you've ever been too drunk to fish...

we call that chumming...

476 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:59:02pm

re: #472 brookly red

criminals are criminals, do knives cause criminals? do unlocked cars cause criminals? do un-covered women cause criminals? no.

Evening:

Drugs cause criminals because addiction demands criminality, eventually.

477 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:59:04pm

re: #473 brookly red

what did he wear a tie?

LOL. Posted about this the other day.

I hate wearing ties. Apparently so does one of the brothers of a young friend of mine, who just graduated from art school.

So, this bro of hers shows up with all the ties he owns draped festively around his neck and shoulders.

I am so stealing that.

What, I go to a restaurant and they're gonna tell me I'm wearing ties wrong?

478 blueraven  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:59:48pm

The House of Representatives just passed repeal of DADT.

479 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:01:12pm

re: #470 Bagua

Yes, that's it. Here is the Flow Rate Technical Group fact sheet. That sounds like a rigorous group.

Keep in mind that flow rates will decrease over time due to the degradation of the area of the reservoir around the blowout. It was probably much higher at the beginning. See SkyTruth for the particulars. A nice, well respected science site. They estimated around 25,000 barrels at the end of the first week. Seems reasonable.

480 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:02:27pm

re: #476 Naso Tang

Evening:

Drugs cause criminals because addiction demands criminality, eventually.

And guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

//

481 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:03:50pm

re: #479 austin_blue

There will be considerable argument over this for some time, I think.

Also:

USF researchers confirm massive underwater plume from gulf oil spill

482 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:04:05pm

re: #471 Cato the Elder

You forget: Sam is a hobbit. Any extra room he needs, he tunnels.

Hey, I never mess with my tenants unless they keep me up at night.

well, and if they do enough with the tunnels, they're technically expanding your square footage!

483 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:04:49pm

re: #467 Cato the Elder

Huh? How long has it been since you've read the books?

Lord Beric Dondarrion, raised from the dead multiple times by the grace of the god R'hhlor.

:p
That was a lame attempt to cast doubt on the minor spoiler of reanimation, since Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) just finished book 1. Talk about backfiring. Oh, well, it's still not that important.

484 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:04:51pm

re: #463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

With the white hot burning passion of a thousand suns... the hate...

I stole that because it is a wonderful declarative statement. All purpose, heartfelt, and picturesque.

485 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:04:56pm

re: #480 austin_blue

And guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

//

You miss the point. Addiction changes people in a way that holding a gun doesn't (for most).

486 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:05:29pm

re: #482 Aceofwhat?

You're hating this game eh?

487 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:05:51pm

Barack "Did you plug the hole yet daddy?" Obama.
Give me a break.

488 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:06:27pm

re: #487 Spare O'Lake

Barack "Did you plug the hole yet daddy?" Obama.
Give me a break.

What do you have to plug the hole with?

489 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:06:42pm

re: #486 Stanley Sea

You're hating this game eh?

with a passion equal to FBV's...thousands of suns!

490 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:06:56pm

re: #487 Spare O'Lake

Barack "Did you plug the hole yet daddy?" Obama.
Give me a break.

You are such a grump sometimes.

491 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:07:16pm

re: #488 prairiefire

What do you have to plug the hole with?

heh...did you really just ask that out loud;)

492 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:07:36pm

WTH? BP stopped the top kill at midnight last night and didn't restart it until 16 hours later. They, apparently, didn't bother to inform anyone...

493 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:07:41pm

re: #489 Aceofwhat?

with a passion equal to FBV's...thousands of suns!

I swear, it's only when it's 1.5 minutes left when I relax, a little.

494 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:08:25pm

re: #492 Varek Raith

?? It was all over the news, and live-bloggers, etc.

495 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:08:50pm

re: #483 Nimed

I can tell that you and I are going to have fun dissecting the published books once I'm done with number four.

When is the fifth volume due out again?

I'm reading them on the Kindle, so all the bad editing is marked. I shall write to JRRM and complain.

Who knows? It might finally land me a job as a literary editor.

Either that, or he'll set the Sorrowful Men on my ass.

496 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:09:12pm

re: #494 freetoken

?? It was all over the news, and live-bloggers, etc.

Did I miss it though? I thought they stopped this a.m. That probably was just because I read it then.

497 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:09:36pm

re: #494 freetoken

?? It was all over the news, and live-bloggers, etc.

Really? WTH was I watching???

498 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:09:49pm

re: #493 Stanley Sea

I swear, it's only when it's 1.5 minutes left when I relax, a little.

this one's over already...the suns' bench is the key and they're stinky tonight.

Lakers will win...i guarantee it. It already hurts.

499 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:09:53pm

re: #491 Aceofwhat?

heh...did you really just ask that out loud;)

I know. No orifice pun thread, please, "She hollars over the cliff."
School's out tomorrow. I'm a bit lit.

500 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:10:13pm

re: #488 prairiefire

What do you have to plug the hole with?

What does anyone have to plug the hole with? Much less Obama.

If I knew how to stop the leak, I would be rich tomorrow.

501 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:10:24pm

re: #490 Stanley Sea

You are such a grump sometimes.

Aren't you humiliated for your POTUS to say shit like this in public to try to convince people that he's on the file?

502 Cheechako  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:10:52pm
503 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:11:59pm

re: #501 Spare O'Lake

Aren't you humiliated for your POTUS to say shit like this in public to try to convince people that he's on the file?

no

504 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:12:14pm

re: #488 prairiefire

What do you have to plug the hole with?

It ain't a bucket of mud, that's for sure.

505 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:12:14pm

re: #500 Cato the Elder

What does anyone have to plug the hole with? Much less Obama.

If I knew how to stop the leak, I would be rich tomorrow.

Bales of stacked tobacco. Do they need to stop the velocity of the leak first?

It looks like a tapped artery of mother earth.

506 Digital Display  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:12:37pm

re: #478 blueraven

The House of Representatives just passed repeal of DADT.

That is great news...
I worked for the DOD for 20 years on Subs.. I have no greater respect for Americans putting their lives on the line for Freedom and our American Values...And if they are gay..More power to them...I respect their courage and love of America..They serve America..Not your religious viewpoint...

507 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:13:12pm

re: #479 austin_blue

Keep in mind that flow rates will decrease over time due to the degradation of the area of the reservoir around the blowout. It was probably much higher at the beginning. See SkyTruth for the particulars. A nice, well respected science site. They estimated around 25,000 barrels at the end of the first week. Seems reasonable.

That does sound reasonable. I'll read up on SkyTruth.

Would you say a 2,000 psi drop over the first 30 days is reasonable for this formation?

508 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:13:16pm

re: #505 prairiefire


It looks like a tapped artery of mother earth.

Abiotic oil!!

509 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:13:19pm

re: #506 HoosierHoops

agree completely

510 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:13:50pm

Since the conversation is partly about books; last night someone recommended this one; the first of 4 and then the writer died.

Anyone read them?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

511 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:14:18pm

re: #501 Spare O'Lake

Aren't you humiliated for your POTUS to say shit like this in public to try to convince people that he's on the file?

About as embarrassed as I was that Dubya couldn't get Pat Robertson to say a few holy words and stop the fuckin' hurricane.

Oh, wait.

Just after the fact, ma'am.

512 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:15:02pm

re: #501 Spare O'Lake

Aren't you humiliated for your POTUS to say shit like this in public to try to convince people that he's on the file?

Grump grump. That's the only quote you got from the hour long presser?

Grump.

513 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:15:16pm

re: #508 freetoken

Abiotic oil!!

Again I have to Google...

514 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:15:45pm

re: #497 Varek Raith

Really? WTH was I watching???


I don't know, you tell us... midget porn?

Seriously, the information came out this afternoon about them stopping. Apparently an assessment phase, before they try round 2.

515 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:16:21pm

re: #513 prairiefire

Again I have to Google...

well...you said no orifice puns...

516 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:16:39pm

re: #511 Cato the Elder

About as embarrassed as I was that Dubya couldn't get Pat Robertson to say a few holy words and stop the fuckin' hurricane.

Oh, wait.

Just after the fact, ma'am.

That bad, eh? Then we are agreed.

517 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:16:45pm

re: #514 freetoken

I don't know, you tell us... midget porn?

Seriously, the information came out this afternoon about them stopping. Apparently an assessment phase, before they try round 2.

Weird, cause CNN's been harping on it the past 15 minutes...
Lost I am. :/

518 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:16:48pm

re: #510 Naso Tang

To add; I mention this here in part because I understand his theme was the reporting of right wing racists in Sweden and their business connections.

519 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:16:49pm

re: #514 freetoken

I don't know, you tell us... midget porn?

NTTAWWT...

520 Renaissance_Man  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:17:02pm

re: #512 Stanley Sea

Grump grump. That's the only quote you got from the hour long presser?

Grump.

The rest of it was lost in the sound of kittens drowning and the death rattle of freedom.

521 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:17:40pm

re: #508 freetoken

Abiotic oil!!

I do live on top of frozen limestone waves of an ancient ocean.

522 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:18:07pm

re: #517 Varek Raith

CNN tweeted it over 4 hours ago...

Dude, this is the 21st century, you've got to shorten your research cycle!

523 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:18:41pm

re: #522 freetoken

CNN tweeted it over 4 hours ago...

Dude, this is the 21st century, you've got to shorten your research cycle!

LEAVE ME ALONE!!1!!!
:)

524 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:19:37pm

re: #492 Varek Raith

WTH? BP stopped the top kill at midnight last night and didn't restart it until 16 hours later. They, apparently, didn't bother to inform anyone...

I know, annoying that.

re: #514 freetoken

But they kept us in the dark all morning. I had guessed they were reducing the flow. That's lousy PR.

525 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:20:23pm

re: #516 Spare O'Lake

That bad, eh? Then we are agreed.

Stop being a tool, or I shall start calling you Peter.

526 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:20:30pm

re: #522 freetoken

CNN tweeted it over 4 hours ago...

Dude, this is the 21st century, you've got to shorten your research cycle!

CNN got an admission that the cessation of pumping was stopped at midnight last night, yet the POTUS and the public didn't know about this until later in the day today.

527 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:22:05pm

Are they still using the EPA banned chemical? BP went past their stop date, naughty little British brats.

528 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:22:59pm

re: #526 Spare O'Lake

For Dear Ole Spare

529 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:23:37pm

Eh eh. I'm looking forward to the dissection myself.

re: #495 Cato the Elder

When is the fifth volume due out again?

November 2006. No... make that August 2007. Oops, there's been a delay. But it will be out in January 2008 for sure.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Nobody knows, and Martin has given up on committing to specific deadlines, since some of his fans are enraged lunatics.

More here:
[Link: www.thestar.com...]

530 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:23:39pm

re: #524 Bagua


But they kept us in the dark all morning. I had guessed they were reducing the flow. That's lousy PR.

Hey, but it was after most stock markets were closed for the day.... think of the important things in life!

531 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:24:41pm

re: #525 Cato the Elder

Stop being a tool, or I shall start calling you Peter.

Call me Big Pete.

532 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:25:05pm

re: #526 Spare O'Lake

CNN got an admission that the cessation of pumping was stopped at midnight last night, yet the POTUS and the public didn't know about this until later in the day today.

Exactly, inquiring minds want to know. Also, why don't they give us running pressure readings, and flow rates? They made it to 65 barrels a minute without blowing the damn thing up and waited 24 hours to give us the good news? What are we, mushrooms?

533 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:25:10pm

An important thing in life is staying above 10500 on the Dow. Consistently at 1200 and things will be better.

534 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:25:47pm

re: #528 Stanley Sea

For Dear Ole Spare

Sorry, bud, that's Walter.
;)

535 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:26:51pm

re: #532 Bagua

Exactly, inquiring minds want to know. Also, why don't they give us running pressure readings, and flow rates? They made it to 65 barrels a minute without blowing the damn thing up and waited 24 hours to give us the good news? What are we, mushrooms?

Because they have know blessed f'ing idea.

536 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:27:50pm

re: #528 Stanley Sea

For Dear Ole Spare

Thanks.

537 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:28:54pm

re: #529 Nimed

November 2006. No... make that August 2007. Oops, there's been a delay. But it will be out in January 2008 for sure.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Nobody knows, and Martin has given up on committing to specific deadlines, since some of his fans are enraged lunatics.

More here:
[Link: www.thestar.com...]

Damn.

Tolkien never made promises he couldn't keep.

538 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:28:58pm

re: #530 freetoken

Hey, but it was after most stock markets were closed for the day... think of the important things in life!

Good point, BP, TransOcean, Cameron and Halliburton were all up today. They kept a tight hole so they could cash out some shares.

539 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:29:14pm

re: #536 Spare O'Lake

Thanks.

Thank you! I was expecting some big mouth bass!

540 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:30:09pm

re: #533 prairiefire

An important thing in life is staying above 10500 on the Dow. Consistently at 1200 and things will be better.

That only applies to the 0.007 people on the planet who know what the "Dow" is, or give a fuck.

Most of us are just happy to get our daily bread.

541 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:31:36pm

re: #539 Stanley Sea

Thank you! I was expecting some big mouth bass!

Stop biting my avatar!

542 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:32:00pm

re: #502 Cheechako

New bp Logo

Hey, do you know Art Chance who blogs on Redstate? He's been a long time fixture in Alaskan legal circles.

543 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:34:19pm

re: #541 Spare O'Lake

Stop biting my avatar!

I actually love your avatar. It's an antique?

544 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:35:42pm

re: #540 Cato the Elder

That only applies to the 0.007 people on the planet who know what the "Dow" is, or give a fuck.

Most of us are just happy to get our daily bread.

By the sweat of thy Dow shalt thou eat bread.

545 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:36:14pm

re: #540 Cato the Elder

That only applies to the 0.007 people on the planet who know what the "Dow" is, or give a fuck.

Most of us are just happy to get our daily bread.

You know the phrase: "Give us dow our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses."

546 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:40:22pm

re: #543 Stanley Sea

I actually love your avatar. It's an antique?

Not quite an antique, but old. Along with the Hula Popper, it was the surface lure of choice for bass fishing in the '60s and early '70s.

547 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:40:56pm

re: #546 Spare O'Lake

Not quite an antique, but old. Along with the Hula Popper, it was the surface lure of choice for bass fishing in the '60s and early '70s.

cool

548 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:41:24pm

re: #546 Spare O'Lake

Not quite an antique, but old. Along with the Hula Popper, it was the surface lure of choice for bass fishing in the '60s and early '70s.

The lure of the fishing tackle.

549 freetoken  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:43:07pm

re: #540 Cato the Elder

Most of us are just happy to get our daily bread.

Let us pray:

Our Corporate Board, which art in New York
Trademarked is Your Name

Thy PowerPoint Presentation come,
Thy Management Directives be done, in Peoria as in New York

Give us this day our daily bread cheetos

And forgive us our credit card debt as we forgive them that write to us bad checks

And lead us not into a union hall
But deliver us from Obama

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever.
Amen

550 prairiefire  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:43:54pm

re: #549 freetoken

I am on the side of the peasants.

551 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:47:11pm

re: #548 prairiefire

The lure of the fishing tackle.

I have 6 tackle boxes full of the stuff...at least 95% of it is never hits the water more than once.

552 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:48:13pm

re: #551 Spare O'Lake

is
PIMF

553 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:51:18pm

re: #551 Spare O'Lake

I have 6 tackle boxes full of the stuff...at least 95% of it is never hits the water more than once.

Do you ebay?

554 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 7:54:08pm

re: #545 Bagua

You know the phrase: "Give us dow our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses."

Heh. I meant to put a "%" after the number 0.007.

Still. The lives of 99.993% of humans on this planet would be unchanged if Achmed the Dead Terrorist were to blow up the Dow and the NASDAQ and the Smith and Wesson 500 tomorrow and take all the stockbrokers in the world along with him.

555 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 8:01:50pm

Give a new meaning to the market phrase dead cat bounce.

556 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 9:00:19pm

re: #507 Bagua

That does sound reasonable. I'll read up on SkyTruth.

Would you say a 2,000 psi drop over the first 30 days is reasonable for this formation?

Umm. maybe. It gives them a better chance on the Top Kill, but as I posted earlier, a bottom kill has historically bern the way to kill these kind of blowouts.

557 austin_blue  Thu, May 27, 2010 9:02:33pm

re: #530 freetoken

Hey, but it was after most stock markets were closed for the day... think of the important things in life!

Curmudgeonly cynic!

Upding.

558 ClaudeMonet  Thu, May 27, 2010 9:34:42pm

re: #12 reine.de.tout

Doesn't anyone like Waffle House anymore?
I love Waffle House.

I love Waffle House, too (had dinner at one last Saturday), but the nearest one is about 10 miles away. I have several other 24-hour joints closer--White Castle, IHOP, Steak N Shake, McDonald's, etc.

559 ClaudeMonet  Thu, May 27, 2010 9:54:40pm

re: #239 ludwigvanquixote

Once in power, they'll get around to us. First the browns, then the blacks, then the gays, then the politically left, then the Jews, followed by the Asians.

Remember, the KKK wasn't just about subjugating and/or eliminating blacks. Jews and Catholics were on their hit list, too.


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