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“I see you are looking at my feet,” he said to her when the car was in motion.

“I beg your pardon?” said the woman.

“I said I see you’re looking at my feet.”

“I beg your pardon. I happened to be looking at the floor,” said the woman, and faced the doors of the car.

“If you want to look at my feet, say so,” said the young man. “But don’t be a God-damned sneak about it.”

“Let me out here, please,” the woman said quickly to the girl operating the car.

The car doors opened and the woman got out without looking back.

“I have two normal feet and I can’t see the slightest God-damned reason why anybody should stare at them,” said the young man.

— J. D. Salinger, A Perfect Day for Bananafish

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628 comments
1 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:34:51pm

Primus!

(Just to see if Charles has a Latin filter.)

2 ryannon  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:35:23pm

Ah, the Overnight Wingnut Club!

3 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:36:15pm

CtE, how did the old Romans submit to the foot fetishists?

4 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:37:25pm

It was the shoes!

Nytol.

5 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:38:25pm

I'm going to sign off for the night. See you all in the morning.

6 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:40:40pm

It seems some is finally afoot!

7 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:40:47pm

We had a Lakers/Suns thread tonight in the Pages. Anyone interested, there will be one for the Boston/Orlando game tomorrow.

And with that, nighty!

8 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:41:02pm

Gah, obviously I meant something.

9 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:42:07pm

re: #3 Floral Giraffe

One little piggy at a time of course!

10 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:43:48pm

re: #3 Floral Giraffe

CtE, how did the old Romans submit to the foot fetishists?

Depends. If they were noble, gracefully. By suicide.

If plebeian, with gladius in hand.

(Fun fact: "gladiola" comes from the Latin word for short sword.)

11 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:44:47pm

re: #10 Cato the Elder

As per last thread, vocation is a tricky concept for me. I've had many.

12 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:45:50pm

re: #6 Irenicum

It seems some is finally afoot!

re: #8 Irenicum

Gah, obviously I meant something.

"Art is the opposite of well-meant."

So, to pick up from the last thread, would you care to tell me about your studies and vocation?

13 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:49:55pm

re: #12 Cato the Elder

Cancel that, Irenicum. Cross-posted!

14 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:51:13pm

re: #12 Cato the Elder

I'm a MA in Theology currently at an evangelical seminary north of Boston. My interests have been varied since childhood. So much so that it's always been hard to figure out what area to focus on. I've worked in social work and loved it, in retail and kinda liked it, and a few other fields that have been inconsequential. That's why vocation is a tough answer for me.

re: #13 Cato the Elder

No problem Cato. Here is as good a place as any other.

15 Nimed  Thu, May 27, 2010 10:58:42pm

re: #10 Cato the Elder

Depends. If they were noble, gracefully. By suicide.

If plebeian, with gladius in hand.

And yet, at least one famous patrician little sandal died a plebeian death.

16 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:00:06pm

re: #11 Irenicum

A more complete answer has to do with what drives me. I am a Christian of the evangelical sort, primarily because of my upbringing admittedly, though I have come to respect other Christian traditions much more in recent years. But I was raised to see science as a blessing and a great expression of human ingenuity. That's why I've never had a problem with evolution. Currently I'm a student, so I've got to look into where I'll work beyond school. But I suspect it will be either in a NGO way or as a researcher for the Gov concerning religious extremism, and how that effects public actions.

17 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:02:01pm

Second Haiku for Haku:

The rain pours down hard.
My dog lies under the porch,
Glad for the summer.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

18 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:02:37pm

re: #17 Cato the Elder

That reminds me;

Hey Cato, if I may, why do you need a service dog?

/always nosy.

19 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:06:15pm

re: #18 windsagio

That reminds me;

Hey Cato, if I may, why do you need a service dog?

/always nosy.

Haku protects Cato should he acquire a case of the vapours when suddenly addressed by illiterates. It's the shock, very dangerous.

20 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:08:06pm

re: #18 windsagio

That reminds me;

Hey Cato, if I may, why do you need a service dog?

/always nosy.

Here is the story of Haku.

As for my specific medical condition, the stalkers say I have none, I'm just a faker.

Actually I'm a Catholic fakir.

If you want to know more, come visit me sometime. It's fun to keep them guessing.

But he does really know how to call 911 in an emergency.

21 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:08:44pm

re: #20 Cato the Elder

Fair enough, I like the air of mystery :D

And thanks ;)

22 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:13:52pm

re: #20 Cato the Elder

Here is the story of Haku.

As for my specific medical condition, the stalkers say I have none, I'm just a faker.

Actually I'm a Catholic fakir.

If you want to know more, come visit me sometime. It's fun to keep them guessing.

But he does really know how to call 911 in an emergency.

Some of the stalkers have one way conversations with some the LGF members. They actually copy and paste the comments from here and respond to them in the first person. Of course no one ever responds to them -- it's like they're conversing with an invisible man. Seems rather strange. They could probably use a service dog themselves for mental health reasons.

23 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:15:53pm

re: #22 Gus 802

I've never bothered with the stalker blogs. Never seemed worth my while. That's just sad. And if I might add, just plain desperate.

24 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:16:04pm

re: #22 Gus 802

To quote the onion, the relationship with the stalkers is 'symbiotic in the most dysfunctional way.'

25 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:17:02pm

re: #22 Gus 802

It's also telling, in a psychiatric sort of way.

26 AK-47%  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:22:33pm

I am an insomniac dyslexic agnostic

I sit up all night wondering if there is a dog.

And a member of the DNA: the National Dyslexic Association

27 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:22:58pm

Speaking of weird. Ron Paul voted yes to repeal DADT today. Didn't expect that.

28 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:24:24pm

I have some stuffed clams heating in the oven, imported from Gloucester. I couldn't help thinking, as I morosely watched the unstoppable oil leak. These clams are going to go up in price. With all the good Gulf clams trapped under six inches of pavement, clam lovers everywhere will clamour for Gloucester clams.

I better fill the freezer.

29 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:25:07pm

re: #25 Irenicum

It's also telling, in a psychiatric sort of way.

Well, for a while I kept up with them to see what they were saying about me. The situation was not helped by certain Lizards who went over there to taunt them. Which was like throwing garbage at starving rodents.

Can you say "obsessive-compulsive I've-been-banned-from-a-blog-and-can't-get-(it)-up-again" disorder? It's not in the DSM yet, but psychiatry always takes a while to catch up with new forms of madness.

Seriously, they now have their own relatively successful wingnut blog, but half of their posts are reposts of things said here, and they just can't seem to stop themselves.

Hint to Rodan et Cie.: You can safely carry on with your insanity without referencing the thing that drove you crazee.

30 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:30:38pm

re: #27 Gus 802

He's very libertarian. It fits his ideology oddly enough.

31 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:31:13pm

re: #28 Bagua

You mispronounced it. It's Glosta.

32 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:31:42pm

re: #30 Irenicum

He's very libertarian. It fits his ideology oddly enough.

Would make sense for a libertarian to oppose DADT.

33 AK-47%  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:31:51pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Speaking of weird. Ron Paul voted yes to repeal DADT today. Didn't expect that.


"Don't ask, don't tell" wold be the best way for him to run his campaign in general...

34 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:32:13pm

re: #28 Bagua

I have some stuffed clams heating in the oven, imported from Gloucester. I couldn't help thinking, as I morosely watched the unstoppable oil leak. These clams are going to go up in price. With all the good Gulf clams trapped under six inches of pavement, clam lovers everywhere will clamour for Gloucester clams.

I better fill the freezer.

A good number of "Chesapeake Bay crabs" actually come from Louisiana. My girlfriend and I are going to Obrycki's, the best Baltimore crab house, to chow down on those babies before the price goes stratospheric. A dozen big ones already cost around $70.

35 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:33:33pm

re: #33 ralphieboy

"Don't ask, don't tell" wold be the best way for him to run his campaign in general...

For Rand Paul? For sure. I think Ron was already re-elected.

36 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:33:36pm

re: #29 Cato the Elder

Wow. I guess some critters are better fitted as parasites. Sad life nonetheless.

37 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:34:39pm

re: #28 Bagua

I better fill the freezer.

A freezer full of decent clams will serve you better come the Apocalypse than a pouch full of inedible gold. Just make sure you also have a generator.

38 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:34:51pm

re: #34 Cato the Elder

A good number of "Chesapeake Bay crabs" actually come from Louisiana. My girlfriend and I are going to Obrycki's, the best Baltimore crab house, to chow down on those babies before the price goes stratospheric. A dozen big ones already cost around $70.

I thought Pappas was "THE" place

39 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:35:11pm

re: #34 Cato the Elder

A good number of "Chesapeake Bay crabs" actually come from Louisiana. My girlfriend and I are going to Obrycki's, the best Baltimore crab house, to chow down on those babies before the price goes stratospheric. A dozen big ones already cost around $70.

I'd be wary of eating anything from the ocean that close to New Jersey.

40 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:35:46pm

re: #34 Cato the Elder

Some I hope to make Baltimore a destination instead of a pitstop. I really want to visit where Poe lived. That, and I want to see a game at the Orioles' new park.

41 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:36:53pm

Ever wonder who the 1st person was that looked at a crab (or a lobster) and said "I wonder what that tastes like?"

42 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:38:56pm

re: #39 Bagua

I'd be wary of eating anything from the ocean that close to New Jersey.

Obrycki's has been there since the 1930s, and I have yet to get anything rancid from them.

Speaking of rancid, has anyone noticed the gargantuan size of the houseflies this season? I'm talking about the East Coast. They're as big as cats.

But maybe they're just the product of maggot-infested me. According to Irish Rose (RIP), I hatch them in my armpits.

Hi, Rose! I know you're still reading here.

43 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:39:29pm

re: #37 Cato the Elder

A freezer full of decent clams will serve you better come the Apocalypse than a pouch full of inedible gold. Just make sure you also have a generator.

Egad, I forgot all about that. And hurricane season is starting. You may have saved me from doing something foolish.

44 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:41:06pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

Obrycki's has been there since the 1930s, and I have yet to get anything rancid from them.

Speaking of rancid, has anyone noticed the gargantuan size of the houseflies this season? I'm talking about the East Coast. They're as big as cats.

But maybe they're just the product of maggot-infested me. According to Irish Rose (RIP), I hatch them in my armpits.

Hi, Rose! I know you're still reading here.

If you have houseflies as big as cats, you have bigger problems than an expected dearth of edible affordable crabs

45 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:41:51pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

I miss her. She was fun while she lasted. And you're right about the flies. They're gargantuan this year. I've killed three just using a rubber band in my office. But we've had a huge amount of rain this spring, so I think that played a part.

46 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:42:26pm

re: #39 Bagua

I'd be wary of eating anything from the ocean that close to New Jersey.

Don't really get an ocean flow into the Chesapeake from New Jersey.

47 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:43:05pm

re: #41 sattv4u2

Tastes like chicken? (except better)

48 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:44:39pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

Obrycki's has been there since the 1930s, and I have yet to get anything rancid from them.

Looks very appealing. The little neck clams simmered in white wine looks like a winner.

49 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:45:14pm

re: #47 Irenicum

Tastes like chicken? (except better)

Speaking of which ,, eggs

Two guys sitting, looking at a chicken. One says to the other "You know, I'm going to eat the next thing that comes out of that chickens ass!"

/

50 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:47:28pm

re: #46 Gus 802

Don't really get an ocean flow into the Chesapeake from New Jersey.

I know, I shouldn't besmirch the Chesapeake bay with New Jersey's foul name. Just seeing it on the map nearby is unsettling.

51 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:49:50pm

re: #50 Bagua

Actually, aside from the northeast corner, Jersey is a stunningly beautiful state. It's a whole lot more than Elizabeth and Newark.

52 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:50:00pm

re: #50 Bagua

I know, I shouldn't besmirch the Chesapeake bay with New Jersey's foul name. Just seeing it on the map nearby is unsettling.

The Fish You Ate Today
Slept Last Night in Chesapeake Bay

53 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:51:37pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

I'm totally spoiled up here where I can get lobstas and clams only hours from the ocean. That was one of the biggest selling points of moving out here.

54 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:51:53pm

re: #49 sattv4u2

Speaking of which ,, eggs

Two guys sitting, looking at a chicken. One says to the other "You know, I'm going to eat the next thing that comes out of that chickens ass!"

/

Is that an AGW joke? If so, Ludwig is gonna fuck you up.

Anyway, I just smoked my last beer and drank my last joint. Time for bed.

55 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:52:19pm

re: #49 sattv4u2

Speaking of which ,, eggs

Two guys sitting, looking at a chicken. One says to the other "You know, I'm going to eat the next thing that comes out of that chickens ass!"

/

Speaking of chickens, one of the last few hurricane disasters, I forget which, the guy from the local Boston Market shows up with a cooler full of uncooked chickens. Each one marinated in their special sauce. Handing them out for free. Nice gesture.

I'm thinking, what the fuck am I going to do with a raw chicken when the power goes out?

56 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:52:47pm

re: #50 Bagua

I know, I shouldn't besmirch the Chesapeake bay with New Jersey's foul name. Just seeing it on the map nearby is unsettling.

The worst of it was from Toms River Chemical but that mostly impacted inland waterways. Some claim the Oyster Creek nuke plant has an impact. Wilmington, Delaware would be the nearest to the Chesapeake and they were a chemical powerhouse for years including DuPont facilities and headquarters. Otherwise, once you pass the South Amboy exit on the Garden State Parkway it's all rather clean.

57 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:52:53pm

re: #53 Irenicum

I'm totally spoiled up here where I can get lobstas and clams only hours from the ocean. That was one of the biggest selling points of moving out here.

heh ,, who YOU tellin

When I lived in Massachusetts I had a cottage on an island off the coast of Portland Maine in Casco Bay. My next door neighbor (a year round resident of the island) was a lobsterman

58 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:52:56pm

re: #55 Bagua

The salmonella tango?

59 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:53:23pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

Oh man. That musta been absolutely heaven!

60 AK-47%  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:53:44pm

re: #55 Bagua

Speaking of chickens, one of the last few hurricane disasters, I forget which, the guy from the local Boston Market shows up with a cooler full of uncooked chickens. Each one marinated in their special sauce. Handing them out for free. Nice gesture.

I'm thinking, what the fuck am I going to do with a raw chicken when the power goes out?

Build a fire.

61 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:53:52pm

re: #55 Bagua

Speaking of chickens, one of the last few hurricane disasters, I forget which, the guy from the local Boston Market shows up with a cooler full of uncooked chickens. Each one marinated in their special sauce. Handing them out for free. Nice gesture.

I'm thinking, what the fuck am I going to do with a raw chicken when the power goes out?

gas grill
charcoal grill
BIC lighter!

62 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:55:04pm

Well kids, it's been real and it's been fun. See ya on the other side.

63 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:55:19pm

re: #59 Irenicum

Oh man. That musta been absolutely heaven!

Twas.

Live outside of Atlanta now. Don't even consider buying seafood or going out for it
We wait till we go to our place on the shore in South Carolina now

64 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:55:27pm

re: #60 ralphieboy

Build a fire.

Works when everything is not soaked.

65 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:56:30pm

re: #54 Cato the Elder

Reminds me of an incident involving my sister and a cream soda and cigarettes. She hasn't drank one since.

66 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:56:58pm

re: #64 Cato the Elder

Works when everything is not soaked.

never stopped Bear Grylls from making one!

67 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:57:38pm

re: #65 Irenicum

Reminds me of an incident involving my sister and a cream soda and cigarettes. She hasn't drank one since.

she liquefied cigarettes!?!?!

68 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:57:39pm

re: #63 sattv4u2

I'm still exploring different places up here. So many options. It's wonderful!

69 sattv4u2  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:58:00pm

re: #68 Irenicum

I'm still exploring different places up here. So many options. It's wonderful!

Where is "here"?

70 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:58:44pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

The can of cream soda was used as an ash tray. Still grosses her out to this day. Can't touch the stuff.

71 Irenicum  Thu, May 27, 2010 11:59:04pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

North shore of Boston. Not too far from Glosta.

72 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:00:23am

re: #71 Irenicum

North shore of Boston. Not too far from Glosta.

Wow, that's where the clams I'm heating up came from. Small world.

73 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:01:02am

re: #66 sattv4u2

never stopped Bear Grylls from making one!

Stopped Jack London, though. Or his fictional alter ego.

74 Irenicum  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:01:20am

re: #72 Bagua

My next restaurant stop is the Clam Box in Ipswich. I hear good things about it.

75 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:01:41am

heh ,, I was born and raised in Everett. Lived in Beverly for awhile. Also lived on the south shore (teh Humarock section of Marshfield)

When you go into Boston, if you want GREAT no frills seafood, go to The No Name Restaurant

yes ,, thats actually the name of it

The No Name

Northern Ave, iirc

76 Irenicum  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:02:07am

re: #75 sattv4u2

Excellent. I will do!

77 Irenicum  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:02:26am

re: #75 sattv4u2

And I know Beverly really well too.

78 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:03:17am

re: #76 Irenicum

Excellent. I will do!

Union Oyster House is more famous, and it's okay, but it's a tourist trap, as is Hawthorns,

79 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:03:39am

re: #77 Irenicum

And I know Beverly really well too.

You do?

Say HI to her for me,, K!?!?

///

80 Irenicum  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:04:22am

re: #78 sattv4u2

Kinda like Woodman's in Essex. Good but not worth the price.

81 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:04:25am

re: #74 Irenicum

My next restaurant stop is the Clam Box in Ipswich. I hear good things about it.

the Clam Box is very good

82 Irenicum  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:05:40am

re: #81 sattv4u2

I may hit it this weekend.

83 Irenicum  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:06:44am

Well, I really do need to get some sleep. SO g'nite all for real!

84 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:06:55am

re: #82 Irenicum

I may hit it this weekend.

send me a large box of fried clams

85 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:07:30am

re: #74 Irenicum

My next restaurant stop is the Clam Box in Ipswich. I hear good things about it.

Woodman's in Essex is worth a visit. The Barnacle in Marblehead is worth a visit. But steamers and lobster is good everywhere. Anyone can boil water.

86 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:09:37am

re: #85 Bagua

Woodman's in Essex is worth a visit. The Barnacle in Marblehead is worth a visit. But steamers and lobster is good everywhere. Anyone can boil water.

You've never met my wife, have you?

87 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:09:52am

re: #85 Bagua

Marblehead is worth a visit as bein' the first place I shipped out of back in me sailin' days.

Someday, after my sea novels are published, there will be a plaque.

88 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:10:42am

re: #77 Irenicum

And I know Beverly really well too.

SuperSub makes the best mushroom cheese steak sub on the planet.

89 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:10:50am

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Marblehead is worth a visit as bein' the first place I shipped out of back in me sailin' days.

Someday, after my sea novels are published, there will be a plaque.

You need a good dentist?
/

90 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:12:48am

re: #88 Bagua

SuperSub makes the best mushroom cheese steak sub on the planet.

There was a place across the street from the old Boston Garden/ new TD Bankwhatever Ctr called The Birds Nest

They made a sub of roasted turkey with stuffing, gravy and cranberry sauce that was to die for

91 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:13:09am

re: #86 sattv4u2

You've never met my wife, have you?

Actually, I may well have.

92 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:16:47am

re: #27 Gus 802

Speaking of weird. Ron Paul voted yes to repeal DADT today. Didn't expect that.

I'd say it fits the profile of Paul as a loon with integrity.

93 AK-47%  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:20:55am

re: #73 Cato the Elder

Stopped Jack London, though. Or his fictional alter ego.

That was snow. In any case, now you can just go set fire to the beach.

94 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:31:04am

re: #92 Nimed

I'd say it fits the profile of Paul as a loon with integrity.

The new GOP rep from Hawaii also voted yes to repeal.

95 AK-47%  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:45:19am

re: #94 Gus 802

The new GOP rep from Hawaii also voted yes to repeal.

Well heck, he comes from a place where men run around in grass skirts...

96 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:49:58am

re: #95 ralphieboy

Well heck, he comes from a place where men run around in grass skirts...

And women pass out lies for free!

97 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:51:08am

re: #96 sattv4u2

And women pass out lies LEIS for free!

pimf ,, (so is coffee,,, brb ,, cup is empty)

98 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:06:14am

re: #97 sattv4u2

Sattv, regarding this comment:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

RoR takes into account taxes, interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization.

RoR=(net income)/revenue;
net income - A company's total earnings (or profit). Net income is calculated by taking revenues and adjusting for the cost of doing business, depreciation, interest, taxes and other expenses. This number is found on a company's income statement and is an important measure of how profitable the company is over a period of time. The measure is also used to calculate earnings per share.

Sources:
RoR - [Link: www.investopedia.com...]
net income - [Link: www.investopedia.com...]

99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:19:45am

So I guess we had this amazing car technology program to engineer the safest car ever, and Reagan's administration killed it

Just one more reason I dislike Reagan.

Like other American inventions such as the VCR, the lithium-ion battery and David Hasselhoff, many of the RSV's technologies only prospered overseas. Anti-lock brakes and air bags were standard on European cars first; Japanese automakers put the first crash-sensing brake system on the market in 2003, nearly 25 years after the RSV sported it. Yet those five-star ratings from NHTSA that have become standard for front crash safety in U.S. cars come from tests at 35 mph, still 15 mph shy of the RSV bar.

100 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:27:57am

re: #98 Nimed

{sigh}

I'm fully aware what both RoR and Net revenue mean. What that post asked you was IF the numbers you gave (for the list of profit margins) was before or after EBITDA

101 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:35:51am

re: #100 sattv4u2

{sigh}

I'm fully aware what both RoR and Net revenue mean. What that post asked you was IF the numbers you gave (for the list of profit margins) was before or after EBITDA

Hm, yes. That was in my original link to the Fortune 500 list. All you had to do was click on those to satisfy your curiosity.

Here it is. Again.
[Link: money.cnn.com...]

See that tab? R-e-t-u-r-n o-n r-e-v-e-n-u-e-s.

Actually, you didn't even have to do that. My original comment:

They are much more profitable than the average industry. They rank 7th with a 11.5% ROR. And I don't know why you are so quick to dismiss transaction volume -- size does matter.

102 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:40:17am

re: #99 WindUpBird

"I thought they were intentionally destroying the evidence that you could do much better," said Friedman.


Well thanks for being depressing, sir.

103 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:41:06am

Also, for those in a sentimental (ok, borderline mawkish) mood:

Youtube Video
104 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:42:38am

re: #101 Nimed

Or maybe not

The average net profit margin for the S&P Energy sector, according to figures from Thomson Baseline, is 9.7%. The average for the S&P 500 is 8.5%

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

105 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:05:02am

re: #104 sattv4u2

Or maybe not

The average net profit margin for the S&P Energy sector, according to figures from Thomson Baseline, is 9.7%. The average for the S&P 500 is 8.5%

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

Ok, so we're clear on the whole RoR business? Not to rub it in, but if you were aware of how RoR was calculated, you really had all you needed.

You're answering me with the S&P energy sector, which probably has a different composition from the "Mining, Crude-Oil production" in the Fortune 500 ranking. Another problem is that I don't know how the Thomson Baseline index is calculated, and what artifacts it may have.

A third problem is that comparing the S&P energy sector with an S&P average that includes the energy companies is a bit fishy. The energy sector has 40+ companies, and, more importantly, some of these companies are big boys -- Exxon is the largest US corporation, Chevron is 3rd, Valero is 10th. So it would be nice to see the same comparison without the oil companies.

106 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:08:59am

re: #105 Nimed

IF the oil companies are obtaining margins higher than the rest of the energy sector, it would mean that 9.7% is artificially high, boosted upward by the oil industry

In all of this, I'm unsure as to your endgame. Do you not want oil companies to be profitable? Do you think the gov't should tax them higher because they are profitable?

107 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:14:12am

re: #105 Nimed

re: #106 sattv4u2

IF the oil companies are obtaining margins higher than the rest of the energy sector, it would mean that 9.7% is artificially high, boosted upward by the oil industry

In all of this, I'm unsure as to your endgame. Do you not want oil companies to be profitable? Do you think the gov't should tax them higher because they are profitable?

AND ,,, you are aware that the gov't ALREADY gets more revenue PER GALLON than the oil companies get.

They (the gov't) doesn't explore for the oil
They don't drill for the oil
They don't transport it to a refinary
They don't refine it
They don't distribute it
They don't retail it

YET ,,,,
[Link: www.gaspricewatch.com...]

108 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:16:13am

re: #107 sattv4u2

But they do initially own it >>

I think they should take more money from the oil companies, just because we have a history of the gov't giving away resources for too little to organizations that then turn around and gouge the hell out of the citizenry.

I know its a dream tho', we'd have to somehow disassemble the whole lobbying industry first ;)

109 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:19:23am

re: #108 windsagio

But they do initially own it >>

I think they should take more money from the oil companies, just because we have a history of the gov't giving away resources for too little to organizations that then turn around and gouge the hell out of the citizenry.

I know its a dream tho', we'd have to somehow disassemble the whole lobbying industry first ;)

sorry,, who is "they" that initially owns what?

110 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:21:57am

re: #109 sattv4u2

If I remember right, the US gov't has the rights to all the mineral resources that aren't actually like someone's private property; so 'they' is the gov't.

They often lease it, or just let people claim it tho'.

111 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:24:52am

re: #110 windsagio

If I remember right, the US gov't has the rights to all the mineral resources that aren't actually like someone's private property; so 'they' is the gov't.

They often lease it, or just let people claim it tho'.

Yes, so they (the gov't) get the lease monies AND the tax monies per gallon AND the tax monies levied on the corporations profits and you think they (the gov't ) should get MORE

112 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:25:49am

re: #106 sattv4u2

In all of this, I'm unsure as to your endgame. Do you not want oil companies to be profitable? Do you think the gov't should tax them higher because they are profitable?

re: #107 sattv4u2

Hey, I'm fine with all that. Oil companies need to spend big bucks in all the stuff you enumerated, and we certainly don't want to wreck the incentives to search for new wells with excessive taxes and regulation (the high RoR suggests that we're probably not that close to this point, though).

In my opinion, we should not approach this through a "what's a fair profit" perspective. Instead, we should just recognize that yes, oil makes the world go round, but its consumption also produces very large negative externalities -- not even mainly from the risk of spills, but mostly due to climate change.

113 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:26:30am

re: #110 windsagio

If I remember right, the US gov't has the rights to all the mineral resources that aren't actually like someone's private property; so 'they' is the gov't.

They often lease it, or just let people claim it tho'.

tell you what

Next year, when you do your taxes, whatever the amount you owe is, just send them more. IF you are due a refund, call them and tell them to keep it

114 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:28:19am

I'm going to take a little nap

115 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:31:21am

re: #114 sattv4u2

I'm going to take a little nap

and yes ,, I'm at work ,, and yes,, it's okay,,because
A) it's really not a "nap", more like close my eyes and tilt my head back in the chair for awhile
B) All my work is done. Been here for 7 1/2 hours with 4 1/2 left to go
C) if something goes off the air, there are alarms that alert me

116 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:32:38am

re: #115 sattv4u2

Nobody's judging, dude.

117 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:35:14am

re: #116 Nimed

Nobody's judging, dude.

could care less either way..just explaining

118 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:45:13am

re: #117 sattv4u2

could care less either way..just explaining


Time for me to go. Have a nice not-really-a-nap. In case you have anything to add to 112, I'll check this thread tomorrow.

119 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:45:47am

Oops rage.

It is late at night I guess >> Later!

120 RogueOne  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:00:36am

re: #99 WindUpBird

That is such an ugly car not only should they destroy the other two but someone needs to get rid of any photographic evidence of it's existence. Damn that thing is ugly.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:14:44am

Fuckin' Lakers.

122 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:16:29am

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fuckin' Lakers.

Lucky Fakers

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:21:58am

re: #122 sattv4u2

Lucky Fakers

grrr

124 RogueOne  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:24:46am

re: #27 Gus 802

Speaking of weird. Ron Paul voted yes to repeal DADT today. Didn't expect that.

Unlikely Allies Support DADT Repeal
[Link: www.aclu.org...]

125 Jadespring  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:33:06am

Oh what a beautiful morning, aw now.
Yes, what a wonderful day.
You know I - I've got a beautiful feeling.
Everything's - everything's going my way.

126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:49:56am

re: #125 Jadespring

(in braille)
Good Morning, Mr. Charles.

127 laZardo  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:58:25am

re: #27 Gus 802

Speaking of weird. Ron Paul voted yes to repeal DADT today. Didn't expect that.

Probably looking to cover his (son's?) tracks?

128 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:00:44am

re: #28 Bagua

I have some stuffed clams heating in the oven, imported from Gloucester. I couldn't help thinking, as I morosely watched the unstoppable oil leak. These clams are going to go up in price. With all the good Gulf clams trapped under six inches of pavement, clam lovers everywhere will clamour for Gloucester clams.

I better fill the freezer.


Buy legacy clams!

129 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:03:15am

re: #127 laZardo

Probably looking to cover his (son's?) tracks?

Doubtful. He would have just been another of the 180 +/- other congressmen that voted against it. His sons election is months away. Wouldn't matter how Ron voted on this at this time

130 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:04:39am

re: #128 ryannon

Buy legacy clams!

Oh, clam up before we send over some muscle to to keep you from crabbing

131 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:05:44am

re: #130 sattv4u2

Oh, clam up before we send over some muscle to to keep you from crabbing

(((WOW ,,, if it were crowded in here THAT would make the Top Ten for SURE!)))

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:21:38am

re: #131 sattv4u2

it was good

133 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:21:57am

re: #130 sattv4u2

Oh, clam up before we send over some muscle to to keep you from crabbing

Oy. Stirs up trouble all the time, that one.

134 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:23:50am

As well a being a total chowder head.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:23:56am

Commonwealth of Virginia furloughs state employees for a day.

136 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:27:32am

Bonjour everyone!

Almost time for The Morning Wingnut Thread!

137 Jadespring  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:27:57am

Well today is the setup day for one of my annual volunteer gigs. It's mega plant fundraisers sale Saturday! For some reason I decided to actually be the coordinator for the thing. It's not difficult or anything but it is a crazy event. People start lining up for the 'deals' an hour before it starts. Today I'm looking forward to being a hardass (not really but I have to pump myself up) because during set-up there's always these older ladies that show up with sob stories about how they just can't make it tomorrow so please be a dear and let me buy what I need today. There's nothing more fun ( not really) at turning the 80 year old women with the cane away but damn some of those older biddies can really play the sympathy card. They're great at it. :) They'll try just about anything to get first dibs on the cheap hostas. Those things are like gold around here.

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:29:02am

re: #136 ryannon

Waddya mean, almost?

139 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:29:51am

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Commonwealth of Virginia furloughs state employees for a day.

Wow ,, an entire day where nobody will be collecting graft
and
all those shovels with nobody to lean on them at road work sites
and
all those state vehicles not taking people to malls
and
,,,

140 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:30:22am

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Waddya mean, almost?

Not complete without Mandy.

141 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:33am

re: #140 ryannon

Not complete without Mandy.

and a moonbat crashing the party to complain!

142 Taqyia2Me  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:32:24am

Go Hawks - Beat Philly!

143 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:38:03am

whoa, it's early...are we doomed again yet?

144 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:38:37am

Clinton: 'The rich are not paying their fair share'

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made a rare foray into domestic politics today, offering her view that — given America's high unemployment — wealthy Americans don't pay enough taxes.

"The rich are not paying their fair share in any nation that is facing the kind of employment issues [America currently does] — whether it's individual, corporate or whatever [form of] taxation forms," Clinton told an audience at the Brookings Institution, where she was discussing the Administration's new National Security Strategy.

Clinton said the comment was her personal opinion alone. "I'm not speaking for the administration, so I'll preface that with a very clear caveat," she said.

Clinton went on to cite Brazil as a model.

"Brazil has the highest tax-to-GDP rate in the Western Hemisphere and guess what — they're growing like crazy," Clinton said. "And the rich are getting richer, but they're pulling people out of poverty."

Both Clinton and Obama campaigned for president on promises to allow the Bush tax cuts for wealthy Americans expire this year, a plan that is now part of Obama's budget. The move will effectively raise taxes sharply on people earning more than $250,000.

Ya know there is absolutely nothing stopping Hillary from writing a big fat check to the IRS if she feels she's not contributing enough. In fact I challenge her to not write anything off this year on her taxes and pay the full amount.

145 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:38:38am

re: #143 albusteve

whoa, it's early...are we doomed again yet?

we'll have to wait for the smart kids to show up to tell us!

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:00am

re: #143 albusteve

whoa, it's early...are we doomed again yet?

I don't know. Are we a Suns fan?

147 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:23am

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

heh

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:49am

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

Barbra Streisand, George Clooney, and Michael Moore all have tax accountants.

149 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:41:13am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barbra Streisand, George Clooney, and Michael Moore all have tax accountants dodges.

ftfy

150 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:42:46am

re: #130 sattv4u2

Oh, clam up before we send over some muscle to to keep you from crabbing

You're just being shellfish.

151 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:43:38am

re: #150 rwdflynavy

You're just being shellfish.

Well, the world IS my oyster!

152 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:45:10am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barbra Streisand, George Clooney, and Michael Moore all have tax accountants.

not me, and the IRS is on my tail again...got another notice in the mail to go visit them before the 8th....I know what they want and they ain't gonna get it....maybe I'll do a stitch in the poky this time

153 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:46:41am

"Nortorious Federal Tax Cheat Goes To Jail"
details at 11

154 njdhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:46:47am

re: #152 albusteve

not me, and the IRS is on my tail again...got another notice in the mail to go visit them before the 8th...I know what they want and they ain't gonna get it...maybe I'll do a stitch in the poky this time

Bring them a chicken.

155 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:49:03am

re: #152 albusteve

not me, and the IRS is on my tail again...got another notice in the mail to go visit them before the 8th...I know what they want and they ain't gonna get it...maybe I'll do a stitch in the poky this time

Tell them you know Giethner and will only go to jail if you and he are bunkies!

156 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:50:34am

re: #151 sattv4u2

Well, the world IS my oyster!

time for some music, maybe Youtube has Salmon chanted evening.

157 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:51:05am

re: #155 sattv4u2

Tell them you know Giethner and will only go to jail if you and he are bunkies!

I despise the IRS with every cell in my body...maybe I'll hang myself out of spite

158 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:51:16am

re: #156 rwdflynavy

time for some music, maybe Youtube has Salmon chanted evening.

Thats my favorite tuna

159 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:16am

re: #158 sattv4u2

Thats my favorite tuna

It was April the forty-first
Being a quadruple leap year
I was driving in downtown Atlantis
My barracuda was in the shop
So I was in a rented stingray
And it was overheating

160 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:32am

re: #159 rwdflynavy

So I pulled into a Shell Station
They said I'd blown a seal
I said, "Fix the damn thing
And leave my private life out of it
Okay pal?"

161 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:56am

re: #160 rwdflynavy

While they were doing that
I walked over to a place called the Oyster Bar, a real dive
But I knew the owner
He used to play for the Dolphins
I said "Hi Gil"
You have to yell, he's hard of herring

162 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:54:43am

Gil was also down on his luck
Fact is he was barely keeping his head below water
I bellied up to the sandbar
He poured me the usual

Rusty snail, hold the grunion
Shaken not stirred
With a peanut butter and jellyfish sandwich on the side
Heavy on the mako

I slipped him a fin
On porpoise
I was feeling good
I even dropped a sand dollar in the box for Jerry's squids
For the halibut

Well the place was crowded
We were packed in like sardines They were all there to listen to the big band sounds of Tommy Dorsal
What sole

Tommy was rockin' the place with a very popular tuna
Salmon Chanted Evening
And the stage was surrounded by screaming groupers
Probably there to see the bass player

One of them was this cute little yellowtail
And she's giving me the eye
So I figured this is my chance for a little fun
You know, piece of Pisces

But she said things I just couldn't fathom
She was too deep, seemed to be under a lot of pressure
Boy, could she drink
She drank like a . . .
She drank a lot

I said "What's your sign"
She said "Aquarium"
I said "Great, let's get tanked"

163 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:55:03am

I invited her to my place for a midnight bait
I said "Come on baby, it'll only take a few minnows"
She threw me that same old line
"Not tonight, I gotta haddock"

And she wasn't kidding either
Cause in came the biggest, meanest looking haddock
I'd ever seen come down the pike
He was covered with mussels

He came over to me and said
"Listen, shrimp, don't you come trollin' around here"
What a crab
This guy was steamed
I could see the anchor in his eyes

I turned to him, I said
"A-balone, you're just being shellfish"
Well, I knew it was going to be trouble and so did Gil
‘Cause he was already on the phone to the cods

The haddock hits me with a sucker punch
I catch him with a left hook
He eels over
It was a fluke but there he was
Lying on the deck, flat as a mackerel
Kelpless

I said "Forget the cods Gil
This guy's gonna need a sturgeon"
Well, the yellowtail was impressed with the way I landed her boyfriend
She came over to me, she said
"Hey, big boy, you're really a game fish
What's your name"
I said "Marlin"

164 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:55:15am

At today's presser, President Obama refused to say Thursday whether his White House offered a job to Representative Joe Sestak:
“There will be an official response shortly on the Sestak issue, which I hope will answer your questions,” Mr. Obama told reporters at a White House news conference. “I can assure the public that nothing improper took place.”

[Link: yidwithlid.blogspot.com...]

remember Storagemanager?...news!, I need news!....anyway this thing is not gonna go away...somebody is lying

165 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:55:17am

re: #163 rwdflynavy

you're cheating

166 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:56:17am

re: #165 sattv4u2

quite the opus

167 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:56:28am

Twitter's fake BP spokesman too slick for the oil company

As if the all-too-real BP oil spill weren't enough of a circus, a satirical Twitter account called @BPGlobalPR adds some dark humor to a sludgy situation.

The fake BP Twitter page was created a week ago and already has 42,000 followers -- dwarfing BP's real account, @BP_America, which has 5,700. The person pulling the strings of @BPGlobalPR, who refused to reveal himself or even break character in an interview with The Times, spills barrels of dark humor onto the international calamity.

@BPGlobalPR's fictional character, Terry, moves to stir up further controversy beyond the real-life disaster and so-far disastrous cleanup attempts that have sent BP's stock sliding 17.5 points since the April 20 Deepwater Horizon spill.

Since then, we've seen a ludicrous parade of headlines, toxic name-calling, contributions from Kevin Costner and numerous TV appearances by Bill Nye the Science Guy, the children's show host who is apparently now an authority on the issue.

The @BPGlobalPR Twitter profile vilifies the company further. Some fan favorites from the Twitter page include:

Catastrophe is a strong word, let's all agree to call it a whoopsie daisy.

The good news: Mermaids are real. The bad news: They are now extinct. #bpcares

We just saw a shark fight an octopus inside the geyser. Almost made this whole thing worth it.

168 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:59:29am

Reports are surfacing around the Valley that illegal-immigrant families with school-age children are fleeing Arizona because of a new immigration law.
Some school officials say enough parents and students have told them they plan to leave the state this summer to indicate Hispanic enrollment could drop at some schools. But there's no way to know exactly how many illegal immigrants will depart because schools do not inquire about a student's or a family's legal status.

Read more: [Link: www.azcentral.com...]

so it begins

169 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:02:17am

Mexican President Felipe Calderon called on the Canadian government to consider changing its policy requiring Mexicans to get visitors' visas before visiting Canada.

[Link: www.ctv.ca...]

more pleading for special treatment from the West's most corrupt govt

170 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:03:55am

re: #166 albusteve

quite the opus

Opus !?!?!

Image: opus_the_penguin_300.gif

171 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:05:53am

re: #169 albusteve

Mexican President Felipe Calderon called on the Canadian government to consider changing its policy requiring Mexicans to get visitors' visas before visiting Canada.

[Link: www.ctv.ca...]

more pleading for special treatment from the West's most corrupt govt

Mexico should change it's own immigration laws before telling other countries what theirs should be. Fuck Calderon.

172 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:09:57am

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

Mexico should change it's own immigration laws before telling other countries what theirs should be. Fuck Calderon.

he looks like a total buffoon to anybody but bleeding heart liberals...the guy seeths with hypocrisy

173 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:10:50am

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

Mexico should change it's own immigration laws before telling other countries what theirs should be. Fuck Calderon.

But, but, that's different!!
//

174 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:11:10am

Sestak says his brother, White House met about alleged job offer

Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.) said Thursday his brother has spoken with White House officials about the congressman's allegation that he was offered an Obama administration job if he would stay out of a Democratic Senate primary.

Sestak ran in, and won, that primary, defeating the White House's preferred candidate, Sen. Arlen Specter.

He told reporters Thursday that he would not expand upon his prior statements until the White House releases its report on the matter. President Obama said in his news conference such a report would come "shortly."

Richard Sestak, who has served as his brother's top political adviser and campaign lawyer, spoke with administration officials Wednesday, Joe Sestak said.

"They got ahold of my brother on his cellphone, and he spoke to the White House . . . about what's going to occur," said Sestak, who said he expects the White House will release its information Friday. He declined to elaborate on his discussions with his brother.

I smell a rat.

175 compound idaho  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:13:02am

re: #164 albusteve

Sestak honestly answered a simple question months ago without realizing the consequences of his answer. I'll give you good odds the White House response will be that Sestak misunderstood what we said, now move along, nothing to see here. All involved will claim poor memories and ignorance. Always works well for me although a much more plausible defense in my case.

176 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:13:19am

As a Southern Arizona Mexican-American, I'm sick of politicians calling for boycotts and intruders demanding that my tax dollars pay for their freebies. It's all about votes and money -- not human compassion, as they would have you believe!

For the record, I am a lifelong Democrat and danged proud of my Mexican heritage. In fact, I served on Governor Janet Napolitano's first-term Latino Advisory Committee. I was nevertheless raised during World War II, when we apologized to no one for being Americans. At that same time, my mom taught me by example to never apologize for being a Mexican.


read the rest at Am Thinker

177 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:15:30am

re: #175 compound idaho

Sestak honestly answered a simple question months ago without realizing the consequences of his answer. I'll give you good odds the White House response will be that Sestak misunderstood what we said, now move along, nothing to see here. All involved will claim poor memories and ignorance. Always works well for me although a much more plausible defense in my case.

of course, it's the Chicago way

178 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:20:48am

I don't think I can read Salinger quotes without thinking of "The Tale of Scroty McBoogerballs." Thanks South Park!

And good morning all!

179 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:22:17am

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

"They got ahold of my brother on his cellphone, and he spoke to the White House . . . about what's going to occur,"

A) Both Sestak and the White Houses "explanation" will be eerily similar (that Sestak wasn't offered A job, per se, but was told something along the lines of 'wow, what a smart guy you are. We need people like you working here" (not "him" in particualr, just "like him"
B) Brother Sestak gets a job in gov't once all the hub bub dies down
C) CHANGE!

180 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:22:47am

re: #178 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't think I can read Salinger quotes without thinking of "The Tale of Scroty McBoogerballs." Thanks South Park!

And good morning all!

Puke!

181 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:22:59am

In a survey of 40 school districts, the study found that the majority of long-term English-language learners are U.S. natives who prefer English and are orally bilingual. But they develop major deficits in reading and writing, fail to achieve the academic English needed for educational success and disproportionately drop out of high school, according to the study by Californians Together, a coalition of 22 parent, professional and civil rights organizations.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

this should be a big story....make CA explain the money wasted and potential problems with these kids

182 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:23:53am

re: #178 Mad Al-Jaffee

"don't" should be "can't"

PIMF

183 Taqyia2Me  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:24:37am

re: #164 albusteve

At today's presser, President Obama refused to say Thursday whether his White House offered a job to Representative Joe Sestak:
“There will be an official response shortly on the Sestak issue, which I hope will answer your questions,” Mr. Obama told reporters at a White House news conference. “I can assure the public that nothing improper took place.”

[Link: yidwithlid.blogspot.com...]

remember Storagemanager?...news!, I need news!...anyway this thing is not gonna go away...somebody is lying

In related news, the Blago trial is still scheduled to start June 3.

184 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:25:38am

re: #177 albusteve

of course, it's the Chicago way

You wanna get Capone? Here's how you get him. He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue! That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get Capone!

185 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:28:28am

re: #183 Taqyia2Me

In related news, the Blago trial is still scheduled to start June 3.

I'm sure BO has sufficiently iced Blago....move along

186 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:34:38am

COSTA MESA – The City Council made it clear Tuesday night that people who are in the country illegally are not welcome in their city.
Council members voted to pass a resolution declaring Costa Mesa a "Rule of Law City" at the behest of Mayor Allan Mansoor, who has long been known as a vocal opponent of illegal immigration.
"I have a lot of concerns with cities calling themselves sanctuary cities," Mansoor said before the vote. "It's important we state that we do not support illegal immigration."

[Link: www.ocregister.com...]

Costa Mesa goes ROGUE!.....oh NOEZ!

187 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:36:01am

When they aren't crying to the world, they'll cry to each other

Ramallah – Ma'an – Tulkarem's deputy mayor called on President Mahmoud Abbas to secure an apology from the Ministries of Health and Agriculture to poultry farmers in the Bal'a village for the recent avian flu outbreak scare.

188 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:37:03am

re: #186 albusteve

Costa Mesa goes ROGUE!...oh NOEZ!

Book Deal!

//

189 compound idaho  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:38:09am

re: #185 albusteve

I'm sure BO has sufficiently iced Blago...move along

I'm sure they will get Sestak in line. They are helping him out with his hazy memory of events right now. Why else would he be waiting for the White House to make a formal statement before he says any more. He knows what the truth is. He does however have a future to worry about after all. Blago on the other hand may be fun to watch.

190 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:41:34am

re: #186 albusteve

COSTA MESA – The City Council made it clear Tuesday night that people who are in the country illegally are not welcome in their city.
Council members voted to pass a resolution declaring Costa Mesa a "Rule of Law City" at the behest of Mayor Allan Mansoor, who has long been known as a vocal opponent of illegal immigration.
"I have a lot of concerns with cities calling themselves sanctuary cities," Mansoor said before the vote. "It's important we state that we do not support illegal immigration."

[Link: www.ocregister.com...]

Costa Mesa goes ROGUE!...oh NOEZ!

Nazis!
Quick, boycott 'em!

191 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:42:24am

re: #186 albusteve

And Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS!!!

Mass. Senate passes crackdown on illegal immigrants

[Link: www.boston.com...]

192 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:42:25am

re: #186 albusteve

COSTA MESA – The City Council made it clear Tuesday night that people who are in the country illegally are not welcome in their city.
Council members voted to pass a resolution declaring Costa Mesa a "Rule of Law City" at the behest of Mayor Allan Mansoor, who has long been known as a vocal opponent of illegal immigration.
"I have a lot of concerns with cities calling themselves sanctuary cities," Mansoor said before the vote. "It's important we state that we do not support illegal immigration."

[Link: www.ocregister.com...]

Costa Mesa goes ROGUE!...oh NOEZ!

It's obvious Costa Mesa is run by a bunch of racists.

//

193 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:42:59am

re: #190 Spare O'Lake

Nazis!
Quick, boycott 'em!


This situation is exactly like Germany in the 1930's!!!11!!!
//

194 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:43:26am

re: #191 sattv4u2

And Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS!!!

Mass. Senate passes crackdown on illegal immigrants

[Link: www.boston.com...]

More racists!

195 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:45:17am

re: #189 compound idaho

I'm sure they will get Sestak in line. They are helping him out with his hazy memory of events right now. Why else would he be waiting for the White House to make a formal statement before he says any more. He knows what the truth is. He does however have a future to worry about after all. Blago on the other hand may be fun to watch.

no blood, no foul....takes awhile to work out the story

196 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:47:19am

re: #191 sattv4u2

And Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS!!!

Mass. Senate passes crackdown on illegal immigrants

[Link: www.boston.com...]

I posted this yesterday and not one person responded to it...a month ago I predicted this would happen....Texas has something in the works too...narrow minded race/Nazi baiters are looking more from the outside in

197 wiffersnapper  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:49:37am

Salinger was such a great author.

198 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:50:20am

Pediatricians now reject all female genital cutting

The American Academy of Pediatrics has rescinded a controversial policy statement raising the idea that doctors in some communities should be able to substitute demands for female genital cutting with a harmless clitoral "pricking" procedure.

"We retracted the policy because it is important that the world health community understands the AAP is totally opposed to all forms of female genital cutting, both here in the U.S. and anywhere else in the world," said AAP President Judith S. Palfrey.

The contentious policy statement, issued in April, had condemned the practice of female genital cutting overall. But a small portion of statement suggesting the pricking procedure riled U.S. advocacy groups and survivors of female genital cutting.

In the April statement, the group raised the idea that some physicians should be able to prick or nick a girl's clitoral skin in order to "satisfy cultural requirements." The group likened the nick to an ear piercing.

199 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:52:17am

A defensive President Obama sought Thursday to quell doubts about his handling of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, insisting that his administration has been "in charge" from the moment it began and bristling that critics who accuse it of being sluggish to react "don't know the facts."
But at times during a 63-minute news conference in the East Room of the White House, the president seemed to undercut his own argument. He enumerated a litany of fumbles and lapses: that the government lacks resources and "superior technology" to respond to the disaster; that he personally had assumed oil companies "had their act together when it came to worst-case scenarios"; that his administration "fell short" with its acceptance of BP's inaccurate estimate of the size of the gusher; that reforms of the corruption-plagued government agency that oversees offshore drilling "weren't happening fast enough."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

fear not!....the feds are in control!....sort of

200 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:52:27am

re: #191 sattv4u2

And Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS!!!

Mass. Senate passes crackdown on illegal immigrants

Jumpin' Jiminy Cricket! *Runs in circles like his hair is on fire and his ass is catching*

201 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:53:00am

re: #196 albusteve

I posted this yesterday and not one person responded to it...a month ago I predicted this would happen...Texas has something in the works too...narrow minded race/Nazi baiters are looking more from the outside in

How long before we start hearing other states calling for banning Massachusetts?

202 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:53:18am

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Pediatricians now reject all female genital cutting

good god...how is this even an issue?

203 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:55:42am

re: #196 albusteve

I posted this yesterday and not one person responded to it...a month ago I predicted this would happen...Texas has something in the works too...narrow minded race/Nazi baiters are looking more from the outside in

Thats because it doesn't follow the script.

Theres little love/ support for Ron Paul in particular of Libretarians in general in Massachusttes, so you can't blame it on that
Massachusetts is and has been for decades solidly democrat, very liberal and PC so you can't blame it on redneck racism
They need to portray Tea Partiers as fringe Tea Baggers so it can't be that because the numbers that support this in Mass are too numerous!

204 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:56:24am

What if you held a protest and no one came?

Autism One still has three days to go, counting today, and I thought I'd make a few observations. First, the most heartening observation is that the anti-vaccine rally, which Age of Autism and Generation Rescue promoted heavily, was basically a huge bust. People who were actually there have been sending me estimates, and, counting the speakers, volunteers, and the anti-vaccine band, the largest estimate of the number of protesters that I've seen was around 200. Most estimates were in the 100 to 150 range. Here are some pictures from the rally itself:

The anti-vaccine band? Oh, that was a decade worth of stupidity crammed into a single three minute song.

205 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:56:46am

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

How long before we start hearing other states calling for banning Massachusetts?

and in fact CA law is almost identical to AZ law, both very nearly like federal law....this whole scary 'drag 'em off the street and book 'em' scenario is a disgusting insult imo....but here at LGF that attitude prevails....opponents are just looking for trouble and they have to split hairs and diss LE to find it....I call bullshit

206 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:57:04am

U.N. Official Set to Ask U.S. to End C.I.A. Drone Strikes

WASHINGTON — A senior United Nations official is expected to call on the United States next week to stop Central Intelligence Agency drone strikes against people suspected of belonging to Al Qaeda, complicating the Obama administration’s growing reliance on that tactic in Pakistan.

Philip Alston, the United Nations special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, said Thursday that he would deliver a report on June 3 to the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva declaring that the “life and death power” of drones should be entrusted to regular armed forces, not intelligence agencies. He contrasted how the military and the C.I.A. responded to allegations that strikes had killed civilians by mistake.

“With the Defense Department you’ve got maybe not perfect but quite abundant accountability as demonstrated by what happens when a bombing goes wrong in Afghanistan,” he said in an interview. “The whole process that follows is very open. Whereas if the C.I.A. is doing it, by definition they are not going to answer questions, not provide any information, and not do any follow-up that we know about.”

Mr. Alston’s views are not legally binding, and his report will not assert that the operation of combat drones by nonmilitary personnel is a war crime, he said. But the mounting international concern over drones comes as the Obama administration legal team has been quietly struggling over how to justify such counterterrorism efforts while obeying the laws of war.

I support drone strikes on the UN.

207 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:57:52am

re: #202 albusteve

good god...how is this even an issue?

multiculturalism run seriously amuck.

208 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 5:58:24am

re: #196 albusteve

I posted this yesterday and not one person responded to it...a month ago I predicted this would happen...Texas has something in the works too...narrow minded race/Nazi baiters are looking more from the outside in

The real challenge for those who are in favour of enforcement of the immigration law is that there ARE racists in the game, and the pro-illegals will rightly continue to expose them and to use them to try to tar the entire initiative. It seems to me that the pro-enforcement folks must try to distance themselves from the bigots, or else they will risk being branded as racist enablers.

209 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:00:15am

re: #206 NJDhockeyfan

U.N. Official Set to Ask U.S. to End C.I.A. Drone Strikes

I support drone strikes on the UN.

a nocturnal waterborne assault up the East River....a platoon of Marines can take down the whole joint in minutes....GO USA!

210 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:02:03am

The Anti-Vaccine band sang a little ditty titled Vaccine Gestapo

The link will take you to the lyrics. I ain't posting them. They are not safe for work, mom, sanity.... you've been warned!

211 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:03:20am

re: #209 albusteve

a nocturnal waterborne assault up the East River...a platoon of Marines can take down the whole joint in minutes...GO USA!

Thats not even necessary

Just ban UN Members from New York Citys finest restaurants and hookers and they'll clear out of town on their own!

212 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:04:27am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

The real challenge for those who are in favour of enforcement of the immigration law is that there ARE racists in the game, and the pro-illegals will rightly continue to expose them and to use them to try to tar the entire initiative. It seems to me that the pro-enforcement folks must try to distance themselves from the bigots, or else they will risk being branded as racist enablers.

we have to give the benefit of the doubt to LE that they will perform their duties according to the law...not all will, but that would be true for any law or endeavor...further the pro-illegals will become a bigger problem than the illegals themselves, fanning the fire....it's happening here

213 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:05:00am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

whatever....in other words I agree with you

214 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:06:28am

re: #211 sattv4u2

Thats not even necessary

Just ban UN Members from New York Citys finest restaurants and hookers and they'll clear out of town on their own!

"Burger Thing, may I take your order? 67 Big Macs? 53 large French Fries? The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? Youse think I'm stupid or sumthin?"

215 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:08:12am

'Everything I know and love is at risk,' U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon says

U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, who was born and raised in the threatened marshlands of coastal Louisiana, was overcome with emotion Thursday as he told a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee that "everything I know and love is at risk."

Melancon's moment before a hushed hearing room came on a day laden with affecting testimony by survivors of the April 20 Deepwater Horizon rig explosion, and from the father and brother of one of the 11 men who died, and by a representative of the Louisiana fishing industry, who described a hardy, disaster-tested community living on the edge as the spreading spill in the Gulf of Mexico threatens the habitats their livelihood depends on.

There were five separate congressional hearings Thursday on the blowout of the BP well in the Gulf. At the House Energy Committee hearing in the afternoon, Melancon began a somber reading of his prepared statement.

He described flying over the spill -- "the scale and the scope of this disaster is larger than one can imagine." He described constituents "watching this slow-motion tragedy unfolding in front of them."

"Our culture is threatened, our coastal economy is threatened, everything I know and love is at risk," Melancon said, fighting back tears.

His voice trembling, Melancon continued, all eyes in the silent room upon him.

"Even though this marsh lies ..." At this point he had to stop. He tried to push the microphone away. He placed his hand to his face. He took deep breaths, and as a colleague patted his arm for support, he finished his sentence. "... along coastal Louisiana, these are Americans wetlands."

"Excuse me," he said, "I just wish to submit for the record. Thank you." Melancon then quickly left the hearing room.

216 Semper Fi  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:08:12am

Good morning everyone.

Gonna be a good one here. At 6:30 AM Pacific Daylight it's "30 Seconds Over Tokyo."
No matter how many times I see the low level flying scenes approaching the target it still grabs me.

217 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:11:30am

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

I'm speechless...I think the feds should seize BPs and all their assets here in the US

218 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:12:06am

Ya'll say something?

A study published in the Archives of Otolaryngology-Head & Neck Surgery reports that men who have taken sildenafil (Viagra) may experience sudden sensorineural hearing loss. More than 2 dozen reports have indicated an association between sudden hearing loss and taking the phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitor, Viagra.

219 Digital Display  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:12:18am

re: #216 Semper Fi

Good morning everyone.

Gonna be a good one here. At 6:30 AM Pacific Daylight it's "30 Seconds Over Tokyo."
No matter how many times I see the low level flying scenes approaching the target it still grabs me.

Good Morning! I'm heading to the race track in an hour...
I have tickets to the HP Suite.. Free food and beer, beautiful woman and fast cars... what more does anybody want?

220 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:12:18am

Joe Sestak is not the first politician offered a job by the WH for dropping out of a primary race.

Flashback: Denver Post 9/27/2009

D.C. job alleged as attempt to deter Romanoff

WASHINGTON — Not long after news leaked last month that Andrew Romanoff was determined to make a Democratic primary run against Sen. Michael Bennet, Romanoff received an unexpected communication from one of the most powerful men in Washington.

Jim Messina, President Barack Obama's deputy chief of staff and a storied fixer in the White House political shop, suggested a place for Romanoff might be found in the administration and offered specific suggestions, according to several sources who described the communication to The Denver Post.

Romanoff turned down the overture, which included mention of a job at USAID, the foreign aid agency, sources said.

Then, the day after Romanoff formally announced his Senate bid, Obama endorsed Bennet.

It is the kind of hardball tactics that have come to mark the White House's willingness to shape key races across the country, in this case trying to remove a threat to a vulnerable senator by presenting his opponent a choice of silver or lead.

221 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:13:14am

re: #219 HoosierHoops

Good Morning! I'm heading to the race track in an hour...
I have tickets to the HP Suite.. Free food and beer, beautiful woman and fast cars... what more does anybody want?

A friend to go with you. Can you swing by DC in the next few minutes and pick me up? I'll buy the roadtrip beer!

222 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:14:50am

re: #213 albusteve

whatever...in other words I agree with you

It really is pathetic that those folks who simply want to have a real border and to have the existing laws enforced must walk such a political tightrope because of the lurking bigots and the special interests.
Nothing much is straightforward any more.

223 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:15:48am

I wonder how many dirty jokes have been made so far about "Did you plug the hole yet, daddy?"

224 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:17:28am

re: #223 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder how many dirty jokes have been made so far about "Did you plug the hole yet, daddy?"

I already got creamed a few times yesterday.

225 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:17:36am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

It really is pathetic that those folks who simply want to have a real border and to have the existing laws enforced must walk such a political tightrope because of the lurking bigots and the special interests.
Nothing much is straightforward any more.

No. Whats really pathetic is just because a frakkin racist scum happens to agree with one of THE most basic principles of ANY country (secure borders) anyone that suuports that concept is tied to the frakkin racist scum

226 Digital Display  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:17:38am

re: #221 Mad Al-Jaffee

A friend to go with you. Can you swing by DC in the next few minutes and pick me up? I'll buy the roadtrip beer!

Sounds like fun! Oh and ZZtop plays today free this afternoon..

227 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:17:46am

re: #217 albusteve

I'm speechless...I think the feds should seize BPs and all their assets here in the US

The video is heartbreaking.

Youtube Video
228 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:18:25am

re: #226 HoosierHoops

Sounds like fun! Oh and ZZtop plays today free this afternoon..

Getting paid what they're worth!!

I KID ,, I KID !!

229 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:18:26am

re: #223 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder how many dirty jokes have been made so far about "Did you plug the hole yet, daddy?"

We'll know in nine months, honey!

/

230 Semper Fi  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:18:57am

re: #219 HoosierHoops

Good Morning! I'm heading to the race track in an hour...
I have tickets to the HP Suite.. Free food and beer, beautiful woman and fast cars... what more does anybody want?

HH,
I'm envious. Go in peace. Enjoy your day to the fullest and be safe.
House on stilts. Is a photo on LGF gonna' be possible?

231 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:20:56am

Drudge: WTF?

232 compound idaho  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:21:36am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

It really is pathetic that those folks who simply want to have a real border and to have the existing laws enforced must walk such a political tightrope because of the lurking bigots and the special interests.
Nothing much is straightforward any more.

You're a racist.

No I am not.

... are too

Honestly, I am not.

.... code words, dog whistle .....

233 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:21:40am

re: #230 Semper Fi

HH,
I'm envious. Go in peace. Enjoy your day to the fullest and be safe.
House on stilts. Is a photo on LGF gonna' be possible?

(Preferably a photo of the woman, not the cars.)

234 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:21:46am

re: #226 HoosierHoops

Sounds like fun! Oh and ZZtop plays today free this afternoon..

A few weeks ago, driving home from a gig I heard an early 70s ZZ Top concert on the radio. Great set. They opened with an Elmore James song!

235 Interesting Times  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:22:07am

re: #217 albusteve

I'm speechless...I think the feds should seize BPs and all their assets here in the US

BP's Dismal Safety Record

OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations, while Sunoco and Conoco-Phillips each had eight, Citgo had two and Exxon had one comparable citation.

Other oil companies have safety violations in the single digits. BP's are in the triple digits. And who gets the fat, juicy miliary contract?

BP supplies the military with nearly 12% of its fuel needs, making it the Pentagon's largest fuel supplier, with Royal Dutch Shell coming in a close second, according to the Defense Logistics Agency.

I'm speechless too.

236 Digital Display  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:22:25am

re: #230 Semper Fi

HH,
I'm envious. Go in peace. Enjoy your day to the fullest and be safe.
House on stilts. Is a photo on LGF gonna' be possible?

It's going to be fun today...You gave me a good idea..Once I move I'll change my avatar from Winston floating in the pool to a house on stilts in the woods.

237 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:22:36am

Hundreds of people have been taken hostage by gunmen after an assault on two mosques today in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore that left at least 30 people dead and dozens injured.

Attackers threw grenades and opened fire with automatic weapons inside mosques of the Ahmadi sect in the city before holding hundreds of worshippers, who had gathered for Friday prayers, at gunpoint. At one mosque a gunbattle was still under way as police and commandos tried to regain control and free those inside.

The mosques are located in Model Town and Garhi Shahu districts, several miles apart.

Ahmadis, who are not considered Muslims under Pakistan’s constitution but believe their founder to be a prophet who declared himself centuries after Muhammad, have been targeted by radical Sunni groups in the past but never on such a large scale.

Police and witnesses said that five to six gunmen, some of them wearing suicide bomb vests, entered the mosque in Model Town after breaking through its security cordon.

“There were six huge blasts before indiscriminate firing started,” Faraz Ahmed, who witnessed the attack, said.

About 1,500 worshippers were inside at the time of the attack, the police said.

SNIP

238 Semper Fi  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:23:54am

re: #233 SteveC

(Preferably a photo of the woman, not the cars.)

I was thinking 'house' when I said that but you swayed me in your direction.

239 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:24:31am

re: #236 HoosierHoops

It's going to be fun today...You gave me a good idea..Once I move I'll change my avatar from Winston floating in the pool to a house on stilts in the woods.

I never noticed the new avatar until now. Which one is Winston?

240 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:25:24am

re: #237 MandyManners

nice people....fuck them

241 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:25:41am

-Qa'ida is struggling to launch frequent suicide attacks in Iraq for the first time because of a shortage of foreign volunteers travelling to the country to carry them out.


Interrogation of prisoners and intercepted messages revealed that local al-Qa'ida commanders are complaining about the lack of foreigners to carry out suicide missions as they had done to devastating effect in the past, Iraq's Foreign Minister, Hoshyar Zebari, said in an interview with The Independent.

"The shortage of suicide bombers is because Islamic fundamentalists are more interested in Afghanistan and Pakistan these days, the Americans are withdrawing from Iraq and al-Qa'ida's networks have been disrupted by ourselves and the Americans," said Mr Zebari, whose own foreign ministry building was badly damaged by a vehicle bomb last August that killed 42 staff members and injured many more. "I expect al-Qa'ida will pool its remaining resources and make another spectacular attack in Baghdad very soon."

SNIP

In 2007, 5,480 people were killed from "multiple fatality bombings" but this number more than halved the following year and dropped further to 2,058 in 2009. In the first three months of 2010, 346 people have died, according to the Brookings Institution think tank.

SNIP

242 Digital Display  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:26:41am

re: #239 Mad Al-Jaffee

I never noticed the new avatar until now. Which one is Winston?

The little brown dog floating in his boat.. His buddy Harley is black and white on the boogie board

243 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:27:00am

re: #236 HoosierHoops

It's going to be fun today...You gave me a good idea..Once I move I'll change my avatar from Winston floating in the pool to a house on stilts in the woods.

I was wondering when you were going to finally get rid of that canine-infested anti-Muslim avatar. ;D

244 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:27:34am

Sderot residents woke up early on Friday morning to the sound of rocket sirens as Gaza terrorists launched two projectiles at the city. Both rockets hit the Shaar Hanegev region, causing damage but no injuries.

On Thursday, terrorists fired a mortar shell at the Shaar Hanegev region. The day before, terrorists fired four rockets at Israeli towns near Gaza, but missed their targets, hitting open fields instead.

Also Thursday, terrorists attempted to infiltrate Israel, but were thwarted by IDF soldiers.

Egyptian military sources reported Friday that their troops had discovered 17 smuggling tunnels to Gaza in an overnight operation. The operation was part of an ongoing effort to shut down the tunnels trade, which includes weapons and drug smuggling as well as other goods such as luxury cars, the sources said.

SNIP

245 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:27:38am

re: #232 compound idaho

... code words, dog whistle ...

One of the candidates for governor here is SC has a TV ad in which he lists all the problems that he will correct if you vote for him. One of the thing he says he has already done is "lead the charge to protect South Carolinians from federal intrusion into the health care system."

Standard stuff, we've all seen ads like that. But a few seconds later he pledges to "defend states rights..."

That's not a dog whistle, that's an air raid siren.

246 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:29:11am

re: #242 HoosierHoops

The little brown dog floating in his boat.. His buddy Harley is black and white on the boogie board

Blitz (little monster in my avatar) loves to swim, but she would probably freak out on a little boat like that. I'm going to try to take her on my brother's boat some time this summer.

247 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:29:20am

Israel indicted two prominent activists from its Arab minority on Thursday for allegedly spying for the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, deepening a case that has raised tensions with the country’s Arab minority.

Both men denied the charges, the latest in a series of cases in which the government has accused Arab citizens of aiding Israel’s staunchest enemies.

Israel’s Shin Bet security service said Arab activist Amir Makhoul confessed to meeting with a Hezbollah agent in Denmark in 2008 and agreed to collect information for the Lebanese militia.

SNIP

248 sattv4u2  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:30:49am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Drudge: WTF?

Yeah KT ,, Blame "DRUDGE

In a White House news briefing, Obama called the five-week-old BP spill an "economic and environmental tragedy" and said he was frustrated and angry over its duration. Every morning when he's finished shaving, he said, one of his daughters quizzes him: "Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?"

249 Locker  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:31:18am

re: #236 HoosierHoops

It's going to be fun today...You gave me a good idea..Once I move I'll change my avatar from Winston floating in the pool to a house on stilts in the woods.

I like the pool picture. It rules.

250 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:31:28am

re: #246 Mad Al-Jaffee

Blitz (little monster in my avatar) loves to swim, but she would probably freak out on a little boat like that. I'm going to try to take her on my brother's boat some time this summer.

we used to go out on the lake on my buddies float boat....my shepherd would plunge in before we even stopped moving...he loved water and would swim himself to exhaustion

251 pingjockey  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:32:04am

The RoPma strikes again.

MSNBC Video
252 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:33:12am

The flotilla of fools continues with their propaganda war, which like that of all anti-Israel terror enablers includes co-opting the Holocaust at every available opportunity.

The leader of a Gaza-bound aid mission said Thursday Israel wanted to arrest the activists and place them in a “concentration camp”.

Greta Berlin, one of the organizers of the Free Gaza flotilla, told Ynet that despite a ban imposed by Cyprus, the vessels are on schedule and expect to reach the Strip Saturday morning.

SNIP

“The people of Gaza are in an actual concentration camp. They can’t come in or go out despite having the same rights we all have…We will also be placed in a concentration camp, unfortunately, if we are detained.”

SNIP

If you truly want to compare the situation in Gaza to the Holocaust, consider this: Hamas (the rules of Gaza) shares the Nazi goal to destroy the Jewish people; like the Nazis, the palestinians are experts at propaganda (including antisemitic imagery) and revisionism; and like during the Holocaust, the world by and large has stood by while Jews are slaughtered.

Picture of the Gazan concentration camp.

253 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:33:13am

re: #248 sattv4u2

It's just odd to highlight that quote. I guess it's kinda funny but it's also kinda creepy.

254 Digital Display  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:33:16am

re: #246 Mad Al-Jaffee

Blitz (little monster in my avatar) loves to swim, but she would probably freak out on a little boat like that. I'm going to try to take her on my brother's boat some time this summer.

Ahhh..Cute dog! When Jordan was in Iraq my avatar was of him and the 3/5th Marines on patrols in Fallujah.. The day he came home I changed my avatar to my dog floating around the pool.. All the pressure was off...

255 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:33:42am

re: #250 albusteve

we used to go out on the lake on my buddies float boat...my shepherd would plunge in before we even stopped moving...he loved water and would swim himself to exhaustion

My brother and sister in law took their dog once. While swimming, she took in too much water, got bloated and almost died. No more swimming for her.

The odd thing is, they used to take her swimming at a dog beach and she never had that problem before.

256 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:34:32am

re: #254 HoosierHoops

Ahhh..Cute dog! When Jordan was in Iraq my avatar was of him and the 3/5th Marines on patrols in Fallujah.. The day he came home I changed my avatar to my dog floating around the pool.. All the pressure was off...

Mornin' HH ...... Did you ever see anyone go from idiot to hero faster than Ron Artest last night?

257 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:35:46am

Two years after Vallejo, California, filed for bankruptcy protection, officials in nearby Antioch are also tossing around the 'B' word.
Antioch's fiscal woes are standard issue for local governments in California: weak revenue from retail sales and property taxes is forcing spending cuts, layoffs and furloughs.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

American taxpayers will have to rescue these guys..in fact rescue the entire state

258 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:35:46am

Good morning, all!

Hoops - check your mail, if you haven't done so already.
I forwarded something to you.

259 Digital Display  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:36:32am

re: #256 _RememberTonyC

Mornin' HH ... Did you ever see anyone go from idiot to hero faster than Ron Artest last night?

Ron Ron will always be an idiot...He destroyed the Pacers chance to be champions several years ago.

260 Semper Fi  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:37:16am

re: #236 HoosierHoops

It's going to be fun today...You gave me a good idea..Once I move I'll change my avatar from Winston floating in the pool to a house on stilts in the woods.

The house has really caught my interest. Years ago I rented a house on Guadeloupe Island in the Carib. Construction appeared to be 100% mahogany. Such a relaxing place. Two glorious weeks. I'll never forget that one. Lots of wood around. Nothing like it.

261 Digital Display  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:37:22am

re: #258 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all!

Hoops - check your mail, if you haven't done so already.
I forwarded something to you.

Hi You! Saw it on my crackberry.. Thank you!

262 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:38:26am

Navy commandos will board the nine international aid ships sailing toward Gaza City if they don’t turn back, and the commandos will be armed in case terrorists are hiding aboard, defense officials said on Thursday.

The ships are scheduled to try to break the Israeli blockade on the Gaza Strip on Saturday. They are carrying around 750 activists, including diplomats and journalists, as well as about 10,000 tons of supplies.

Top IDF officers said on Thursday that the navy will not “take any chances” if and when it boards the ships, and will immediately inspect them for explosives, including using bomb-sniffing dogs from the IDF’s Oketz K9 Unit.

The navy plans to board the ships if they refuse to turn around. The ships will receive a number of warnings from the navy as they begin to make their approach to the Gaza Strip, starting from a distance of about 65 kilometers. If the ships are commandeered, they will be sailed to the Ashdod Port, where the government has set up tents to hold the activists.

The activists will be taken into the tents for identification and medical attention, and asked to leave the country voluntarily. If they refuse, they will be arrested and transferred to the custody of the Prisons Service and the Interior Ministry.

SNIP

Feiler, 68, a musician who lives in Stockholm and has renounced his Israeli citizenship, said he brought a saxophone with him and would greet Israeli sailors boarding his boat with music “from the time when Jews didn’t have armies and police to harass freedom fighters, when Jews were victims, and were standing at the forefront of the fight for the dignity of people.”

SNIP

Sure sounds to me as if he wants the Jews to be victims again.

263 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:38:38am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

It's just odd to highlight that quote. I guess it's kinda funny but it's also kinda creepy.

Obama is a dork for throwing that stupid little soundbite out to the press.

264 pingjockey  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:39:25am

re: #259 HoosierHoops

It's amazing what a few days will do? 4 days ago many pundits and myself thought both series were done! All of a sudden, Orlando looks like the team they were during the regular season and Phoenix woke up. If not for a missed box out, that game last night was going to OT.

265 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:39:36am

re: #255 Mad Al-Jaffee

My brother and sister in law took their dog once. While swimming, she took in too much water, got bloated and almost died. No more swimming for her.

The odd thing is, they used to take her swimming at a dog beach and she never had that problem before.

when my dog was just a puppy, he took off after some ducks right near shore...we were all goofing around and somebody looked up and he was way out there, where other boats were cruising....somebody got in a boat and went out and brought him back in...he grew up to be a very powerful swimmer

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:39:52am

Not sure how many people saw the NatGeo special about the oil rig last night. Was a fine piece of work. We actually got lucky that the thing sunk. The 5000 foot tether attached to the rig, if it floated away, would have cut other oil lines. And for all those "Loose Change" freaks, hot fire actually does melt steel. Even reinforced steel used in oil rigs. So fuck you.
And good morning Honcos.

267 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:40:29am

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Ron Ron will always be an idiot...He destroyed the Pacers chance to be champions several years ago.

he is a legitimate victim of mental illness ...... he is on "meds" and when he doesn't take them properly, he veers off into a very bad place.

268 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:41:30am

re: #265 albusteve

Mine went after some ducks in a puddle yesterday. They got away. She got muddy and tired.

269 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:41:49am

re: #262 MandyManners

Navy commandos will board the nine international aid ships sailing toward Gaza City if they don’t turn back, and the commandos will be armed in case terrorists are hiding aboard, defense officials said on Thursday.


Sure sounds to me as if he wants the Jews to be victims again.


some people only like the Jews when they are no longer breathing ...

270 pingjockey  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:41:50am

re: #262 MandyManners
They are damn lucky I'm not in charge of the Israeli navy. "Sink on sight" would be my order.

271 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:42:28am

re: #248 sattv4u2

Yeah KT ,, Blame "DRUDGE

In a White House news briefing, Obama called the five-week-old BP spill an "economic and environmental tragedy" and said he was frustrated and angry over its duration. Every morning when he's finished shaving, he said, one of his daughters quizzes him: "Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?"

well...I don't think it's proper for any daughter to inquiry about mommy and daddy's intimate relationship...even if it's the presidents daughter...oh wait!! she was talking about the gusher in the gulf........

/

272 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:42:45am

Ignoring al Qaeda’s ideology is a threat to US national security
By Walid Phares

In preparation for the publicizing for the new National Security Strategy by the Obama Administration, Mr John Brennan, White House Advisor on Counter Terrorism said the President’s strategy "is absolutely clear about the threat we face." From such an announcement one would project that the new narrative would be as precise as it should be. That is to define the ideology and the goals of the forces we're facing, namely the Jihadists, either Salafists or Khomeinists. Unfortunately, it was just the opposite. M. Brennan said the Obama Administration doesn’t "describe our enemy as 'Jihadists' or Islamists," because (as he argued) Jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenant of Islam, meaning to purify oneself or one's community." He added that "the use of these religious terms would "play into the false perception" that al-Qaeda and its affiliates are "religious leaders and defending a holy cause, when in fact, they are nothing more than murderers." In reality, abandoning the use of terms such as “Jihadists” or even “Islamists” in defining the threat is a strategic set back in the war of ideas fought against al Qaeda, the Taliban, Shabab al Jihad, Hezbollah, the Pasdaran and all other adherents to Global Jihadism. It is the equivalent in a classical war, of banning the use of radars, AWACs and broadcast. In short, this is a shortcut to utter self defeat.

The premise of the new national security doctrine regarding the identification of the threat and the appropriate names to use is flawed in its root. Linguistically Jihad doesn’t translate into “Holy Struggle,” for the latter in Arabic is “al Nidal al muqaddass.” In its substance Jihad doesn’t mean a purification of oneself in abstract, like Yoga. Theologically it is a call for efforts on behalf of Allah (Jihad fi sabeel Allah) which could take different forms, some of which could be in the battlefield. It is originally a theological notion that US Government officials have no business in defining or redefining as M. Brennan and the national security doctrine of President Obama are attempting to. The United States secular Government shouldn’t enter the fray of stating that Jihad is legitimate or illegitimate from a theological standpoint. Instead they should identify if a particular ideology self described as "Jihadist" is or isn't a source of threat and radicalization.

الجهاد Jihad is a Theological Notion
الجهادية Jihadism is an ideology

However, and that’s the Administration’s second intellectual mistake, “Jihadism” is not the same thing as Jihad: the first is an ideological notion while the latter is originally a theological notion. The Administration’s experts have tried to link Jihadism, and thus the “Jihadists” to the controversially debated concept of Jihad. This is academically flawed: For Jihadism is a movement in contemporary times and their ideology has been established for almost a century. There are geopolitical in nature and involved in conflicts, wars and radicalization. More importantly they’ve declared a war against the US and have waged it for decades. Whatever is the debate about Jihad as a notion, the Jihadists exist in reality and they are the foes of democracies.

[snip]

273 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:43:03am

re: #263 Spare O'Lake

Obama is a dork for throwing that stupid little soundbite out to the press.

shades of jimmy carter and the debate when he mentioned his daughter amy and nuclear disarmament.

274 pingjockey  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:43:45am

re: #271 Spider Mensch
You actually went there! I was gonna, but my so called manners told me not to! Heh.

275 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:44:54am

re: #274 pingjockey

You actually went there! I was gonna, but my so called manners told me not to! Heh.


devil made me do it.....

276 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:44:58am

In preparation for the publicizing for the new National Security Strategy by the Obama Administration, Mr John Brennan, White House Advisor on Counter Terrorism said the President’s strategy "is absolutely clear about the threat we face." From such an announcement one would project that the new narrative would be as precise as it should be. That is to define the ideology and the goals of the forces we're facing, namely the Jihadists, either Salafists or Khomeinists. Unfortunately, it was just the opposite. M. Brennan said the Obama Administration doesn’t "describe our enemy as 'Jihadists' or Islamists," because (as he argued) Jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenant of Islam, meaning to purify oneself or one's community." He added that "the use of these religious terms would "play into the false perception" that al-Qaeda and its affiliates are "religious leaders and defending a holy cause, when in fact, they are nothing more than murderers."


In reality, abandoning the use of terms such as “Jihadists” or even “Islamists” in defining the threat is a strategic set back in the war of ideas fought against al Qaeda, the Taliban, Shabab al Jihad, Hezbollah, the Pasdaran and all other adherents to Global Jihadism. It is the equivalent in a classical war, of banning the use of radars, AWACs and broadcast. In short, this is a shortcut to utter self defeat.

SNIP

This is the same Brennan who's looking for moderates in Hizb'allah.

277 pingjockey  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:45:37am

re: #272 NJDhockeyfan
They are gonna ignore the elephant in the room until it stomps on them and us. Frakkin' morons.

278 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:45:39am

re: #269 _RememberTonyC

some people only like the Jews when they are no longer breathing ...

Thing is, he's a Jew, too.

279 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:47:28am

Breathing soil bacteria makes you smarter

Spending time outdoors has always offered health benefits for the body and the mind: fresh air, clean water, awe-inspiring vistas, peaceful quietude. Now, it turns out, even the dirt is good for you.

Scientists at the Sage Colleges of Troy, N.Y., have discovered that exposure to certain kinds of soil bacteria can reduce anxiety and increase learning capabilities when ingested or inhaled, reports Physorg.com. Hippies everywhere can rejoice: dirt may actually make you smarter.

280 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:47:38am

re: #270 pingjockey

They are damn lucky I'm not in charge of the Israeli navy. "Sink on sight" would be my order.

Ahoy!

281 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:47:49am

re: #258 reine.de.tout

Good morning!
Thanks for the nice note in my page! Umm Page. A feature like that deserves the capital letter. :)

282 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:48:57am

US President Barack Obama redefined on Thursday America’s strategic priorities; promising to build new partnerships, reduce dependence on its military might and not to take unilateral military actions at the slightest provocation.

Mr Obama also urged Americans to revitalise their own economic, moral and innovative strength to continue to lead the world, instead of relying heavily on their military might.

In a 52-page document released on Thursday, President Obama stressed the need to accept and manage the rise of other powers, and dismissed as far too narrow the Bush-era doctrine that fighting terrorism should be America’s overarching objective.

“America’s greatness is not assured,” warned Mr Obama. “As we fight the wars in front of us, we must see the horizon beyond them.”

Just one more asshole who does not believe in American exceptionalism.

283 Digital Display  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:49:08am

OK Lizards.. Time to head out to the race track
Have a great day everyone!

284 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:50:25am

re: #283 HoosierHoops

OK Lizards.. Time to head out to the race track
Have a great day everyone!

Tell the bearded boys to look me up if they ever need a harp player. :)

285 pingjockey  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:50:43am

re: #282 MandyManners
If we took unilateral military action at the slightest provocation, N. Korea would be missing a lot of military bases.

286 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:50:45am

Nancy Pelosi: Blame Bush for MMS problems


On the same morning that the head of the oil regulatory agency stepped down, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sought to blame the Bush administration for many of the problems at Minerals and Management Services.

Liz Birnbaum reportedly was ousted Thursday morning as head of MMS — which would make hers the first major firing in the wake of the disastrous Gulf oil spill. However, the Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar disputed reports that Birnbaum was fired, saying she acted on her 'own volition.'

At her weekly press conference Thursday, however, Pelosi said the agency charged with regulating the oil and natural gas industry can trace its problems to years of lax oversight during the Bush White House years.

“We're talking about eight years of the Bush administration, and many of the people appointed in the Bush administration are still burrowed in the agencies that are supposed to oversee the industry,” Pelosi said.

LOL...whenever something bad happens, just say it's George Bush's Fault™.

287 pingjockey  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:51:51am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan
That is going to go on for years.

288 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:52:31am

Short Shit's gonna' stomp his widdle feetsies.

Ground has been broken at the American naval base in Bahrain, home to the US Fifth Fleet, for a $580 million expansion that is estimated to take five years to complete, the US Navy said in a press statement on Wednesday.

“Naval Support Activity Bahrain continues to grow to better support ongoing operations around the region,” said Capt. Enrique Sadsad, commanding officer of Naval Support Activity Bahrain. “This expansion project will not only enhance our ability to support our tenant commands and their mission, whether that be logistics, aviation, theater security, or surface operational support,” Sadsad continued.

“(The) US navy and its allies carry out many maneuvers annually with navies from the region. With these exercises, plus the expected conflict, the new base is more ideal,” defense consultant Brig.-Gen. (ret.) Musa Qallab, told The Media Line.

“It seems the US navy needs better infrastructure in order to fully fulfill the requirement it has for its operations, the new naval base, the US navy and its allies for decades,” Qallab said.

“Regarding the reaction of Iran,” he continued. “They will not accept this provocation. Iran sees Gulf security as something for the Gulf countries and not for foreign countries.”

SNIP

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:53:03am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

Did she mention how great things have been since she became Speaker?

290 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:53:11am

re: #285 pingjockey

If we took unilateral military action at the slightest provocation, N. Korea would be missing a lot of military bases.

And, maybe a dictator.

291 pingjockey  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:54:41am

re: #290 MandyManners
Yup. Later folks, back to work. Had a 5am service call, came back home, had coffee with y'all and now it's back to the salt mine! Have a fine Friday!

292 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:57:28am

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure how many people saw the NatGeo special about the oil rig last night. Was a fine piece of work. We actually got lucky that the thing sunk. The 5000 foot tether attached to the rig, if it floated away, would have cut other oil lines. And for all those "Loose Change" freaks, hot fire actually does melt steel. Even reinforced steel used in oil rigs. So fuck you.
And good morning Honcos.

NO it doesn't! I've got this little demonstration for you...

///

293 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:58:24am

re: #292 SteveC

NO it doesn't! I've got this little demonstration for you...

///

To the rabbit cage!

294 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:00:24am

McCarthy: Obama hasn't returned call of lawmaker representing district of rig

Chief Deputy Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) relayed a story Thursday morning at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast bolstering House Minority Leader John Boehner's (R-Ohio) charge of negligence on the part of the White House in the Gulf oil spill cleanup.

Asked if this was the president's Hurricane Katrina, McCarthy responded, "It very well could be."

He explained that Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), who represents the district in which the BP explosion occurred, said he tried reaching the president last Thursday to discuss possible solutions.

“He was called back by a staffer on Friday who said that the president was too busy to talk to him. He understood that until I turned on the TV and saw that he was golfing and went out to California to do a fundraiser. He said — six days now and he’s never even spoken to him," McCarthy said.

295 SteveC  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:02:29am

re: #293 Mad Al-Jaffee

To the rabbit cage!

Quick, Robin, to the Batpole!

297 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:02:52am

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure how many people saw the NatGeo special about the oil rig last night. Was a fine piece of work. We actually got lucky that the thing sunk. The 5000 foot tether attached to the rig, if it floated away, would have cut other oil lines. And for all those "Loose Change" freaks, hot fire actually does melt steel. Even reinforced steel used in oil rigs. So fuck you.
And good morning Honcos.

I don't get that channel.
*sigh*
I really would have liked to have seen that.

298 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:03:09am

re: #291 pingjockey

Yup. Later folks, back to work. Had a 5am service call, came back home, had coffee with y'all and now it's back to the salt mine! Have a fine Friday!

Take care1

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:05:54am

re: #297 reine.de.tout

I don't get that channel.
*sigh*
I really would have liked to have seen that.

[Link: channel.nationalgeographic.com...]

I'd check back here in a few days. When it hits the web, I'll email it to you.

300 Macha  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:06:51am

re: #186 albusteve

COSTA MESA – The City Council made it clear Tuesday night that people who are in the country illegally are not welcome in their city.
Council members voted to pass a resolution declaring Costa Mesa a "Rule of Law City" at the behest of Mayor Allan Mansoor, who has long been known as a vocal opponent of illegal immigration.
"I have a lot of concerns with cities calling themselves sanctuary cities," Mansoor said before the vote. "It's important we state that we do not support illegal immigration."

[Link: www.ocregister.com...]

They mean they are not welcome to live there. Every other household in Costa Mesa employs illegal gardeners and nannies from Santa Ana right next door.

Costa Mesa goes ROGUE!...oh NOEZ!

301 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:07:27am

A Pakistani official says another man has been detained in connection with the main suspect in the Times Square attempted car bombing.

The latest suspect to be questioned is a Pakistani named Humbal Akhtar. The official requested anonymity because he works for Pakistani intelligence and is not allowed to comment on the record. He gave no other details about Akhtar.

SNIP

302 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:08:32am

re: #296 MandyManners

At a New Jersey town meeting, Gov. Chris Christie, the newest YouTube star for the limited government set, was reproached by an unhappy teacher. The governor, facing a budget shortfall of $11 billion, has proposed, among other economies, a one-year salary freeze for New Jersey teachers. Her voice raised in anger (that's a normal speaking voice in my home state), Rita Wilson protested that she should be paid $83,000, the only reasonable compensation in light of her "education and experience." Christie's reply got an ovation: "Well, you know what? Then you don't have to do it."

I Sure Hope Rita Wilson Isn’t A Math Teacher

RealClearPolitics has a video circulating of an exchange between Governor Chris Christie and Rita Wilson, a school teacher in the Rutherford School District.

The teacher demands more salary, telling Christie, “if she were paid $3 an hour for the 30 children in her class, she’d be earning $83,000, and she makes nothing near that.”

Christie told her that teachers go into teaching knowing the salary. The teacher tries to claim she does it as a calling, but clearly thinks she should be doing it to earn a cushy living.

There’s just one problem. There is one Rita Wilson working for the Rutherford School District. Assuming the teacher confronting Governor Christie is the same lady, she has no freaking clue what she makes.

Public records from the school district show her making $86,000+.

So yes Governor, you should support this lady being paid $3.00 per child and save some money.

Heh.

303 Semper Fi  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:10:00am

Have a good one folks. My emphasis today will be to make up for goofing off the previous four days.
I'll get back on later.

304 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:10:32am

re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: channel.nationalgeographic.com...]

I'd check back here in a few days. When it hits the web, I'll email it to you.

Ok, thanks!
I just checked the site, the video isn't there.
Yet.

305 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:12:58am

UNICEF chief Anthony Lake warned Thursday that the prosecution of a young Canadian Guantanamo Bay detainee could set a “dangerous international precedent” for children forced into armed conflicts.

“The recruitment and use of children in hostilities is a war crime, and those who are responsible — the adult recruiters — should be prosecuted,” said Lake in a statement.

“The children involved are victims, acting under coercion.

“Former child soldiers need assistance for rehabilitation and reintegration into their communities, not condemnation or prosecution,” he added.

Omar Khadr was taken prisoner in Afghanistan when he was just 15 years old in 2002. He was charged with war crimes for allegedly throwing a grenade that killed a US soldier. The last Westerner at the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Khadr, now 23, is the first detainee to have his case heard since the controversial system for trying “war on terror” suspects was reformed under President Barack Obama.

SNIP

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:13:32am

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Ok, thanks!
I just checked the site, the video isn't there.
Yet.

Should be either there or Hulu.com in a week.

307 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:14:14am

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

She must think no one will fact-check her ass.

308 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:14:41am

re: #303 Semper Fi

Have a good one folks. My emphasis today will be to make up for goofing off the previous four days.
I'll get back on later.

Goofing off is good for the soul.

309 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:16:01am

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Heh indeed. Her base salary is $86,386 according to the Rutherford school district official documentation from last year. That doesn't include a stipend for after school programs, nor does it include the pension and health care benefits that do total over $100k in compensation. So much for arguing with Gov. Christie that she wishes her salary was $83k.

So, here's the lesson folks. If you're going to complain about your salary to the Gov of NJ and bitch about how you're not even making $83k, make damned sure you know what you're talking about and that your actual salary isn't posted on the school district website for all to see. If you don't, you'll be exposed as a liar and a fool.

It just adds to the stupidity of the unions and makes everyone realize that the teachers and their union are in it for themselves rather than to educate their kids and that any temporary wage freeze is because the state is broke. The union goes on thinking that they're entitled to their cut no matter what the economic situation is, but people are starting to wake up to that.

310 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:18:31am

A SOUTH Korean couple who left their baby to starve while raising a "virtual child" on the internet were given prison sentences today.

The 41-year-old husband and his wife, 25, were arrested in March for leaving their daughter to die while they spent hours at internet cafes.

A district court at Suweon, south of Seoul, sentenced the husband to two years in jail, but suspended the wife's two-year jail term since she is pregnant with a second child.

"The defendants' prematurely born daughter needed constant care, but they did not feed the baby and even beat her, while indulging in online games," the court said in a ruling.

SNIP

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:19:20am

re: #309 lawhawk

I would:
1. Pay here 83K instead of 86K.
2. Fire her. If she is this fucking stoopid, I don't want her teaching children.
3. I am an asshole.

312 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:19:36am

re: #295 SteveC

Quick, Robin, to the Batpole!

I never knew Batman's pole was thicker than Robin's.

313 Semper Fi  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:20:26am

re: #308 MandyManners

Goofing off is good for the soul.

Oh, now I'm hearing that little voice again saying, "listen to Mandy," "don't do today that which you can put off until tomorrow."

Thanks and catch you later.

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:20:38am

re: #312 darthstar

I never knew Batman's pole was thicker than Robin's.

That is why he is the Alpha male.

315 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:21:41am

re: #278 MandyManners

Thing is, he's a Jew, too.


so is noam chomsky .... (the self hating variety)

316 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:22:00am

A senior Pakistani Taleban leader who spearheaded the insurgency in the Swat Valley may have been killed fighting Afghan forces near the border.

A senior Afghan police officer said that Mullah Fazlullah was killed on Wednesday with six of his commanders in a clash with troops in the eastern Afghan province of Nuristan, when about 300 militants led by Fazlullah tried to capture Barg-e-Matal district near the Pakistani border.

General Mohammad Zaman Mamozai, the commander for border police in eastern Afghanistan, said that there was credible information that Fazlullah was killed in the fighting. The information came from the residents, he said.

If confirmed, Fazlullah’s death would be a serious blow to the Pakistani Taleban who are fighting government forces in northwestern Pakistan.

Nicknamed “Mullah Radio”, because of his habit of making speeches over the airwaves, Fazlullah was one of the most feared militant commanders, responsible for killing hundreds of people in Swat. Pakistan has put a £200,000 bounty on his head.

SNIP

317 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:22:11am

re: #283 HoosierHoops

OK Lizards.. Time to head out to the race track
Have a great day everyone!

vroom vroom

318 RogueOne  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:22:15am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

It's just odd to highlight that quote. I guess it's kinda funny but it's also kinda creepy.

I don't know. I tend to get the impression that a lot of voters have daddy issues. Maybe drudge is one of them.

319 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:22:34am

re: #313 Semper Fi

Oh, now I'm hearing that little voice again saying, "listen to Mandy," "don't do today that which you can put off until tomorrow."

Thanks and catch you later.

Have a great day no matter what you do!

320 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:22:51am

re: #315 _RememberTonyC

so is noam chomsky ... (the self hating variety)

Richard Goldstone, too?

321 RogueOne  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:23:14am

re: #263 Spare O'Lake

Obama is a dork for throwing that stupid little soundbite out to the press.

First thing I thought of when he said it was "I wonder if he talked to Amy Carter about it too".

322 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:23:29am

re: #320 MandyManners

Richard Goldstone, too?

Amy Goodman

323 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:23:32am

Yesterday I got an email from my dad to me and all my siblings asking for our social security numbers. It was just before going home yesterday, and I dashed off an answer and shut down. Around 11:00 PM, I was in the shower and realized that all the information in my dad's email, including the nickname he signed it with, was available from the photographer I just ordered a couple of prints from that were taken at my Dad's birthday bash last month. I was sure I got phished. I spent as much time last night saying to myself "You idiot!" as I did sleeping. This morning, after I was pretty sure Dad would be awake, I called him. The email was for real. We got a good laugh out of it, and the rest of my day looks a lot brighter than it did before.

Next time I'll call him first.

324 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:23:53am

re: #309 lawhawk

Heh indeed. Her base salary is $86,386 according to the Rutherford school district official documentation from last year. That doesn't include a stipend for after school programs, nor does it include the pension and health care benefits that do total over $100k in compensation. So much for arguing with Gov. Christie that she wishes her salary was $83k.

So, here's the lesson folks. If you're going to complain about your salary to the Gov of NJ and bitch about how you're not even making $83k, make damned sure you know what you're talking about and that your actual salary isn't posted on the school district website for all to see. If you don't, you'll be exposed as a liar and a fool.

It just adds to the stupidity of the unions and makes everyone realize that the teachers and their union are in it for themselves rather than to educate their kids and that any temporary wage freeze is because the state is broke. The union goes on thinking that they're entitled to their cut no matter what the economic situation is, but people are starting to wake up to that.


This is my neighborhood..with her comps she's making 100k...we can't get the streets paved....take a ride down Ridge rd in Rutherford, but before you do, make an appointment at the garage for an allignment and maybe new springs for your car!

325 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:24:21am

Tavis Smiley: More Christians Than Muslims Blow Up People Every Single Day

Not only does this man of the Left believe what he is saying, but he does it with passion and conviction. Smiley--a so-called Christian--is the product of a liberal education. Liberalism in America has triumphed. Its disciples use the Christian label only for leftist political means. The label is a badge of authenticity and authority in order to destroy the foundation of the structure they claim to live in.

For liberal "Christians" like Smiley, the old America was a concentration camp where blacks, Indians, women, and homosexuals were persecuted, while the America-to-come--always just a little beyond the horizon--is a Marxist paradise or multicultural university campus in which any human being's desires are satisfied regardless of the quality of those desires or his willingness to work for them.

Smiley sees the world through a left-wing lens--not a Christian one. This is the only way one can explain such idiocy. If leftists continue to succeed in maligning Christians and excusing or exalting Muslims, we can only hope that American pop culture and education will destroy the character of their people as it has done to ours.

Youtube Video
326 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:24:30am

re: #322 Mad Al-Jaffee

Amy Goodman

Amy Winehouse

327 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:24:35am

re: #309 lawhawk

So, here's the lesson folks. If you're going to complain about your salary to the Gov of NJ and bitch about how you're not even making $83k, make damned sure you know what you're talking about and that your actual salary isn't posted on the school district website for all to see. If you don't, you'll be exposed as a liar and a fool.

It just adds to the stupidity of the unions and makes everyone realize that the teachers and their union are in it for themselves rather than to educate their kids and that any temporary wage freeze is because the state is broke. The union goes on thinking that they're entitled to their cut no matter what the economic situation is, but people are starting to wake up to that.


I'll agree that the teacher looks like a fool, but she isn't the teacher's union. By the way, I'm not a big fan of unions...belonged to two of them and both times they were in the pocket of the administration, and their main goal was to smooth out conflicts between employees and the company (in one case) and between teachers and the school district(in the other)...and both times I (the union member) was told not to make waves.

That being said, I still think you're overgeneralizing.

328 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:25:01am

re: #323 wrenchwench

I work for your bank, and I just sent you one asking for your account number and PIN.

329 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:25:24am

re: #315 _RememberTonyC

so is noam chomsky ... (the self hating variety)

Noam Chomsky doesn't hate himself.

330 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:25:51am

re: #326 Alouette

Amy Winehouse

No, no, no!

331 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:26:46am

re: #328 Mad Al-Jaffee

I work for your bank, and I just sent you one asking for your account number and PIN.

Cool. What's your phone number?

Is that a Nigerian area code?

332 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:27:00am

re: #329 darthstar

Noam Chomsky doesn't hate himself.

You a Noam Chomsky fan?

333 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:27:30am

Over 50 Pakistani Hindus have converted to Islam in the Sialkot district of Punjab within a week (between May 14 and May 19) under pressure from their Muslim employers in a bid to retain their jobs and survive in the Muslim-dominated society.

As many as 35 Hindus converted to Islam on May 14, another 14 on May 17 and eight on May 19, 2010.

All the 57 Hindus who have converted belong to the Pasroor town of Sialkot.

According to some Pakistani electronic media reports, Mangut Ram, a close relative of some of the new converts, who lives in Sialkot, said that these Hindus had to embrace Islam because they were under pressure from their Muslim employers.

SNIP

334 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:28:43am

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Tavis Smiley: More Christians Than Muslims Blow Up People Every Single Day

[Video]

On which planet?

335 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:28:50am

re: #332 NJDhockeyfan

I loved when Ali G introduced him as "Me main man, Norman Chomsky!"

336 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:29:05am

*howl*

337 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:29:24am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

It's just odd to highlight that quote. I guess it's kinda funny but it's also kinda creepy.

People hear what they want to hear. Some hear only the death rattle of freedom when Obama talks, and a quote like that gives something to hang their hate on, so to speak.

338 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:29:35am

re: #323 wrenchwench

Yesterday I got an email from my dad to me and all my siblings asking for our social security numbers. It was just before going home yesterday, and I dashed off an answer and shut down. Around 11:00 PM, I was in the shower and realized that all the information in my dad's email, including the nickname he signed it with, was available from the photographer I just ordered a couple of prints from that were taken at my Dad's birthday bash last month. I was sure I got phished. I spent as much time last night saying to myself "You idiot!" as I did sleeping. This morning, after I was pretty sure Dad would be awake, I called him. The email was for real. We got a good laugh out of it, and the rest of my day looks a lot brighter than it did before.

Next time I'll call him first.

Glad this one worked out OK.
It is so easy to get taken.

I got up one morning and noticed that one of my e-mail accounts had 1200 returned as undeliverable e-mails in it.

I couldn't believe my eyes. I don't send out 1200 emails in a month, much less overnight.

So I checked and sure enough, someone was using one of my email accounts to send spam porn emails out.

I called my ISP, told them what was happening, then deleted that account and changed my passwords.

An hour later, my internet quit working. I waited awhile, then called my ISP and asked them when it would be back up. They told me my account had been "suspended" for sending out spam. I about blew a gasket. The reason they knew that my account was sending out spam is because I CALLED AND TOLD THEM. LOL. It worked out, my account was un-suspended, but sheesh.

339 Taqyia2Me  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:30:07am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

Can't wait until she boards Botox1 for the last time!

340 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:31:24am

re: #320 MandyManners

Richard Goldstone, too?

didn't realize he was also Jewish ... ugh

341 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:31:51am

re: #324 Spider Mensch

I pass through Rutherford pretty much every day (though on the train), but can see some of the streets and they are in bad shape.

$83k or $86k is nothing to sneeze at. That's more than a fair salary, and being asked to take a 1-year wage freeze is small potatoes. My wife hasn't seen an actual raise in years (and she works for a private company). My own raises were small potatoes and don't even match inflation (or the recently enacted NJ Transit fare hike).

Taxpayers and voters in NJ have let the unions run roughshod over them for years - and now everyone is starting to wake up to the mess that we're in - except those unions, who still think they're privileged and immune from any ill-effects of a bad economy.

That's going to have to change in a serious way - and it also means that localities have to start cleaning house and taking a much closer look at all municipal compensation and expenditures.

342 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:32:11am

The leader of a madrassa allegedly abducted a minor Hindu girl from Rahim Yar Khan and did not let her parents meet their daughter, claiming that the girl had converted to Islam and no longer wanted to meet her “non-Muslim relatives”.

Radha (13) was abducted in December 2009, her parents told Daily Times, adding that they had “knocked on every door stretching from the president of Pakistan to Punjab chief minister and chief secretary, but to no avail”. “Local police, including the former and current district police officers of Rahim Yar Khan, are supporting the people who abducted Radha and are neither registering a first information report (FIR) against the accused, nor are they taking any action to recover the girl from the custody of Abdul Jabbar and Naveed,” they alleged.

Several human rights activists and local Hindu leaders have termed the incident “another case of forced conversion” and slammed the government for not addressing the concerns of the victim’s family.

SNIP

343 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:32:13am

re: #329 darthstar

Noam Chomsky doesn't hate himself.

don't be so sure ..... scumbags like him are sometimes full of self loathing

344 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:32:39am

re: #340 _RememberTonyC

didn't realize he was also Jewish ... ugh

Yes, he is.

345 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:32:48am

re: #278 MandyManners

Thing is, he's a Jew, too.

As with any group, there is no shortage of fuckheaded Jews.

346 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:33:11am

re: #338 reine.de.tout

Reminds me of the movie Brazil.

347 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:33:48am

re: #330 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, no, no!

LOL ... speaking of self loathing individuals!

348 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:35:14am

Poll finds anger over country's leaders

WASHINGTON — Americans are increasingly optimistic about the economy, but that brightening outlook hasn't softened their outrage over the country's direction and its political leadership, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.

Two-thirds of those surveyed this week describe themselves as "angry" about the way things are going in the USA, the highest percentage in the decade the question has been asked. By nearly 2-1, they would rather vote for a candidate who has never served in Congress over one with experience.

"We're just going to have to clean house and get people in who really care about the country," says Stephen Besz, 63, of Hokendauqua, Penn., who was among those called in the poll. He worries about the future for his son, an electrical engineer who has been looking for a job for 18 months.

On Memorial Day weekend, incumbents in general and Democrats in particular face a hot summer.

The nation's mood hasn't eased even though attitudes on the economy have begun to turn around. About half of Americans rated the economy as "poor" in April and May, not a glowing appraisal but the lowest percentage since the economic meltdown in September 2008. Half say it's getting better, the highest level of optimism in six years.

"I wouldn't say bad, but you can't say good," says John Harbachuck, 51, of Millville, Mass. "It's reached a level point. You hope it's going up."

Still, three of four remain dissatisfied with the nation's course.

349 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:35:29am

re: #338 reine.de.tout

I generally consider myself careful. I'm going to double up on that, and change some elderly passwords and stuff.

350 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:35:52am

Last year a Berlin court ruled that the 16-year-old Muslim could pray in a private room at his school. Now a higher Berlin court has overturned that judgement, saying the prayers could disturb school peace.

A Muslim high school student will no longer be allowed to pray on school property, following a ruling by the higher administrative court of Berlin. The judgement is the latest step on a legal odyssey that began when the 16-year-old was asked to stop praying in the school hallways in 2007. He was the first student in Germany to demand the right to conduct his prayers at school.


In making the judgment the court was overturning an earlier verdict by a lower court, which had allowed the pupil to perform his midday prayers in a private room at his school in Berlin's working-class district of Wedding.

On Thursday, the higher court ruled that one pupil's rights could not be put before the good of the group as a whole. It argued that in a school with students of various religious beliefs, neutrality was required to ensure a proper learning environment.

SNIP

351 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:36:29am

re: #345 Spare O'Lake

As with any group, there is no shortage of fuckheaded Jews.

So I've heard.

352 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:36:29am

re: #332 NJDhockeyfan

You a Noam Chomsky fan?

I majored in linguistics in college, so I am familiar with his work in that area. But I don't wear his jersey.

353 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:37:18am

re: #341 lawhawk

I pass through Rutherford pretty much every day (though on the train), but can see some of the streets and they are in bad shape.

$83k or $86k is nothing to sneeze at. That's more than a fair salary, and being asked to take a 1-year wage freeze is small potatoes. My wife hasn't seen an actual raise in years (and she works for a private company). My own raises were small potatoes and don't even match inflation (or the recently enacted NJ Transit fare hike).

Taxpayers and voters in NJ have let the unions run roughshod over them for years - and now everyone is starting to wake up to the mess that we're in - except those unions, who still think they're privileged and immune from any ill-effects of a bad economy.

That's going to have to change in a serious way - and it also means that localities have to start cleaning house and taking a much closer look at all municipal compensation and expenditures.

yup...haven,'t seen a raise in over 2 years myself...Rutherford PD is bitching because they are only getting 3% raise...well I got to tell them..3 % is better than 0%...

354 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:37:55am

re: #327 darthstar

She isn't speaking for the whole union, but when the union repeatedly buys airtime in the NYC metro area slamming Gov. Christie that he's out to destroy students and the education system, Wilson's comments reflect on that larger agenda poorly - and meshes quite well with the union message of entitlement. In other words - Wilson's statements and actions as caught on that video is part and parcel of the union's (that would be the NJEA) larger message.

And voters in NJ are getting fed up with the nonsense (which is long long long overdue). When you're busy complaining that your salary is insufficient, but yet you're actually making even more than you claim - you look small.

355 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:40:56am

APNewsBreak: Diplomats say Iran removed equipment used in possible nuclear program

VIENNA (AP) — U.N. nuclear inspectors revisiting an Iranian laboratory to follow up on activities that could be linked to a secret nuclear weapons program recently discovered that some equipment believed used in the experiments has disappeared, diplomats said Friday.

One of the diplomats told The Associated Press that senior officials within the International Atomic Energy Agency — the U.N. nuclear watchdog — were concerned that the removal was an attempted coverup.

Two others confirmed that some apparatus had gone missing. One said it was too early to draw conclusions, suggesting it could have been taken to another site for nothing more than maintenance. The three spoke on condition of anonymity because information surrounding the Iran nuclear probe is confidential.

At issue is pyroprocessing, a procedure that can be used to purify uranium metal used in nuclear warheads.

Shocka!

356 Lateralis  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:44:04am

I have watched Tavis Smiley a few times so I do not know much about him but what is this about?

Youtube Video
357 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:46:15am

New York Is Almost Out of Cash

Guess how long it is before the state of New York runs out of cash? Less than a week, according to the state's comptroller.

On June 1, New York is due to send $3.8 billion in aid to local school districts, including $2.1 billion that was supposed to be paid in March but not sent for lack of funds. Yet New York is still $1 billion short. This could affect school operations, the solvency of any business that sells goods or services to the state, the paychecks of state workers, and ultimately home values.

358 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:46:29am

A Saudi Arabian prince appeared in court in London Friday accused of the murder of an aide in a luxury hotel in February, DPA reported.

At the preliminary High Court hearing, Saud Bin Abdulaziz Bin Nasir Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, 33, pleaded not guilty to murdering his assistant, 32-year-old Bandar Abdullah Abdulaziz, on February

SNIP

Al Saud has been described as a distant relative of a nephew of King Abdullah. The House of Saud has more than 6,000 members, with the most influence wielded by some 200 princes closest to the king.

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:46:49am

re: #356 Lateralis

That guy is a fucking idiot.

360 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:47:06am

re: #352 darthstar

I majored in linguistics in college, so I am familiar with his work in that area. But I don't wear his jersey.

I understand that his expertise in liguistics is considerable.
But as with actors, sports figures, and others who are prominent in a particular field, what makes this clever fuckhead an authority on religion or politics? Nothing...except perhaps for the very fact that he IS a Jew, which somehow makes him a perfect poster boy for the wider community of Jew-haters.

361 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:47:16am

re: #355 NJDhockeyfan

APNewsBreak: Diplomats say Iran removed equipment used in possible nuclear program


Shocka!

once again, iran responds to an outstretched hand with its middle finger ...

362 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:48:35am

re: #356 Lateralis

I have watched Tavis Smiley a few times so I do not know much about him but what is this about?


[Video]

Typical moonbat.

Christians - evil
Muslims - misunderstood

363 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:49:01am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

New York Is Almost Out of Cash

it's one big, nationwide donk/union clusterfuck....people running these state spending scams are a national embarrassment....there isn't enough tax money in the entire country to bail these messes out

364 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:49:43am

The West should be aware of a new alliance: Iran, Turkey and Brazil signed a joint declaration on May 17th to endorse a fuel swap whereby Iran will ship 1200 of its low enriched uranium to Turkey in exchange for the 20 percent uranium fuel needed for Tehran's research reactor. In late 2009, Iran had rejected an identical agreement proposed by the Vienna Group (the 5+1).

According to Iranian sources, it appears that Teheran is willing to transfer 1,200 kg of 3.5%-enriched uranium, which by now exceeds 2,000 kg, to Turkey for safekeeping, in order to receive in return 120 kg of 20%-enriched uranium Iran needs for its Tehran research reactor. The low-grade uranium, under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), will be sent to Russia to be enriched up to 20% and then to France to be turned into nuclear fuel which will then be transferred back to Iran within one year. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan clarified that if Ankara saw that Tehran was not receiving the 20%-enriched uranium, it would return to Iran its entire stock of 1,200 kg of uranium.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad immediately called on the 5+1 to return to the negotiating table; at the same time, his spokesman, Ramin Mehmanparast, announced that the agreement did not prevent Iran from continuing its ongoing uranium enrichment activities.

Iran is already under three sets of UN sanctions for refusing to halt its uranium enrichment, which the West suspects is part of a covert nuclear weapons program. Tehran denies the claim and maintains that its nuclear program is for peaceful civilian use.

SNIP

365 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:50:09am

re: #362 NJDhockeyfan

Typical moonbat.

Christians - evil
Muslims - misunderstood

If I had to debate that idiot, I would just say "Beslan" and walk away.

367 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:53:42am

A year ago, in the weeks before the tumultuous June 12 election, Iran was a nation of festive hope and vibrant debate.

Charges and counter-charges filled the airwaves as large crowds, for and against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, filled the streets. A late Green wave surged behind Mir Hussein Moussavi, the opposition candidate.

Then night descended and horror. Ahmadinejad’s “victory” was celebrated with brutality worthy of a putsch. Thugs prowled, armed with the license of the Islamic Republic to beat women.

Lofty clerics bound by those beautiful words — “In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate” — showed no mercy, no compassion, in unleashing the forces who reduced the pre-electoral vitality to a hallucination and thoughtful intellectuals to whimpering wrecks prepared to “confess” to plotting velvet revolution.

Never have I seen a nation’s mood so transformed overnight nor a generation’s aspirations so gratuitously crushed.

Behind the walls of Evin Prison, and in shadowy detention centers like Kahrizak, thousands were detained, beaten, abused; and dozens lost their lives. We will have to wait for the full accounting. Meanwhile we have this testimony:

“The man intones, ‘In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. ...’ Mohsen braces himself. There is a terse whisper and the instrument comes crashing onto the soles of Mohsen’s feet. An unimaginable pain shoots through his body to his temples, a pain to drive one mad. Mohsen is dimly aware that he is screaming. His wrist and ankles are being cut up as he thrashes against his bonds.

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368 Lateralis  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:54:14am

re: #365 Cannadian Club Akbar

Where does he come up with that Columbine was carried out by Christian terrorist. I love the part where he throws in that he is a Christian himself. Unbelievable.

369 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:54:50am

re: #360 Spare O'Lake

I understand that his expertise in liguistics is considerable.
But as with actors, sports figures, and others who are prominent in a particular field, what makes this clever fuckhead an authority on religion or politics? Nothing...except perhaps for the very fact that he IS a Jew, which somehow makes him a perfect poster boy for the wider community of Jew-haters.

Show me where Chomsky or any of the other "jew haters" you enjoy ranting about has written that he hates Jews or Judaism and we'll talk. I do believe he's got a conflict of opinion with the Israeli government, but I don't believe that's because he hates Rabbis.

To get you started, I'll concede on Mel Gibson...at least when he's drunk. What an asshole.

370 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:55:36am

re: #366 albusteve

another slap in the face to BO, just when he's trying to get unilateral support for his Mickey Mouse sanctions...he's being played like a fiddle by Iran

Mickey has bigger balls.

371 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:55:48am

re: #368 Lateralis

Where does he come up with that Columbine was carried out by Christian terrorist. I love the part where he throws in that he is a Christian himself. Unbelievable.

IIRC, Harris and Kleybold (sp?) filmed themselves mocking Christians. Tavis is on my list of douchebags.

372 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:56:05am

re: #368 Lateralis

Where does he come up with that Columbine was carried out by Christian terrorist. I love the part where he throws in that he is a Christian himself. Unbelievable.

He probably also thinks McVeigh was a Christian.

373 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:56:25am

re: #372 MandyManners

He probably also thinks McVeigh was a Christian.

He was.

374 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:58:10am

re: #354 lawhawk

She isn't speaking for the whole union, but when the union repeatedly buys airtime in the NYC metro area slamming Gov. Christie that he's out to destroy students and the education system, Wilson's comments reflect on that larger agenda poorly - and meshes quite well with the union message of entitlement. In other words - Wilson's statements and actions as caught on that video is part and parcel of the union's (that would be the NJEA) larger message.

And voters in NJ are getting fed up with the nonsense (which is long long long overdue). When you're busy complaining that your salary is insufficient, but yet you're actually making even more than you claim - you look small.

You also look small when your salary and related benefits are more than many many many people make.

375 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:59:16am

A gruesome act of sabotage, suspected to be the handiwork of Maoists, left more than 100 train passengers dead and 160 severely injured near Jhargram, West Midnapore, 150 km from Kolkata early on Friday. The 2102 up Mumbai-bound Jnaneswari Express derailed between Khemashuli and Sardiha stations at 1.15am and was rammed by a goods train racing down the next track, barely five minutes after its compartments had been hurled on to the other track.

The accident site was a horrific scene of blood and gore. Mangled bodies hung out of crushed carriages. Torn off limbs and chunks of flesh were scattered everywhere. Screams of those trapped mingled with the shouts of survivors looking for their loved ones. As the hours dragged on, many of the screams gradually faded out.

While 13 compartments of the passenger train were severely damaged, the goods train engine scraped the right side of the express, peeling off the compartment walls and tearing apart dozens of people, before it slammed into two bogies reducing them into a mass of twisted metal. At least 50 mangled bodies that were dragged by the goods train are suspected to be pasted to its engine.

SNIP

376 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:01:45am

re: #373 darthstar

He was.

No, he was not. He was an agnostic.

In a recorded interview with Time magazine[78] McVeigh professed his belief in "a god", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and regularly attended daily Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York. The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell.[79][80] McVeigh once said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."[81]

377 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:06:22am

A boat from the University of South Florida found an oil slick 3300 feet down and 6 miles wide near the well head.

378 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:06:30am

re: #364 MandyManners

The West should be aware of a new alliance: Iran, Turkey and Brazil signed a joint declaration on May 17th to endorse a fuel swap whereby Iran will ship 1200 of its low enriched uranium to Turkey in exchange for the 20 percent uranium fuel needed for Tehran's research reactor. In late 2009, Iran had rejected an identical agreement proposed by the Vienna Group (the 5+1).

Sometimes the stupid burns so much it's hard not to laugh. This was seen as a good sign, as it takes the low enriched uranium out of Iran's hands and they get processed fuel rods (which are more difficult to weaponize). You see, once low enrichment has been achieved, the next level of purification is easier, and the next and the next. By stopping the Iranians at 3-5% enrichment (a long slow process), we prevent them from moving on to the faster, easier levels of enrichment.

Also, the 20% stuff they get is encased in aluminum, and is only good as fuel for power.

But call it an alliance if it makes you feel better, but you're logic would be a better fit at a place like Hot Air.

379 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:07:48am

re: #378 darthstar

Hey, asshole. I posted an article. I didn't write it.

380 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:08:00am

EXCLUSIVE: White House asked Clinton to talk to Sestak about Senate run

Senior White House advisers asked former President Bill Clinton to talk to Joe Sestak about whether he was serious about running for Senate, and to feel out whether he'd be open to other alternatives, according to sources familiar with the situation.

But the White House maintains that the Clinton-Sestak discussions were informal, according to the sources. The White House, under pressure to divulge the specifics of its interactions with Sestak, will release a formal statement later today outlining their version of events, including Clinton's involvement.

According to the sources, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel asked Clinton and his longtime adviser, lawyer Doug Band, to talk to Sestak about the race. It's unclear right now whether the White House will say that Clinton was asked to suggest specific administration positions for Sestak, whether Clinton floated positions on his own, whether Clinton discussed other options not related to the adminstration, or whether employment even came up at all in the talks.

But the news that Clinton is at the center of this whole story is noteworthy on its own because of the former president's stature, and underscores how heavily invested the White House was in dissuading Sestak from running. The White House sent Clinton to talk to Sestak because Arlen Specter, constituting the 60th Dem vote in the Senate, was viewed as key to enacting Obama's agenda.

The plot thickens.

381 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:08:13am

Gonna' step back before I unleash the beast.

382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:09:35am

re: #379 MandyManners

Hey, asshole. I posted an article. I didn't write it.

And he commented on the article and you took it as a personal attack.

383 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:09:47am

re: #379 MandyManners

Hey, asshole. I posted an article. I didn't write it.

Well, you should use blockquotes and maybe just use the headline as the link, so you don't make yourself look like one of Malkin's minions. Sorry...but that injury was self inflicted.

384 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:09:49am

re: #373 darthstar

He was.

McVeigh didn't set off a bomb in the name of Jesus.

385 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:12:27am

re: #369 darthstar

Show me where Chomsky or any of the other "jew haters" you enjoy ranting about has written that he hates Jews or Judaism and we'll talk. I do believe he's got a conflict of opinion with the Israeli government, but I don't believe that's because he hates Rabbis.

To get you started, I'll concede on Mel Gibson...at least when he's drunk. What an asshole.

Chomsky's "disagreement" with the Israeli government is that it should never have been created as a Jewish state

I agree that he is brilliant in the field of linguistics, but in just about every other subject he is incapable of wiping his own ass after taking a dump. Chomsky is a rain man.

386 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:13:29am

re: #384 NJDhockeyfan

McVeigh didn't set off a bomb in the name of Jesus.

Oh, fuck...Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, God, Shiva, Iktome...who gives a fuck what people believe in when they do stupid shit. That's the fucking point.

McVeigh was raised Catholic/Christian. Mohammad Atta was Muslim. Right now they're both food for worms.

387 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:16:24am

re: #386 darthstar

Oh, fuck...Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, God, Shiva, Iktome...who gives a fuck what people believe in when they do stupid shit. That's the fucking point.

To find a reason why they commit murder? Could that be it? Maybe? Huh? Ya think?

388 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:16:46am

re: #385 Alouette

Chomsky's "disagreement" with the Israeli government is that it should never have been created as a Jewish state

I agree that he is brilliant in the field of linguistics, but in just about every other subject he is incapable of wiping his own ass after taking a dump. Chomsky is a rain man.

I'm aware of his position on the Israeli government. It doesn't mean he "hates jews" which is the kind of blanket label many people tend to throw at anyone they find too critical of Israel. They'd might as well say Chomsky supported Hitler...or that he worships Satan. It's an empty accusation.

389 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:17:12am

re: #385 Alouette

He really should just take a day off and try to relax.

390 gamark  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:18:04am

re: #386 darthstar

How do you stop people from doing "stupid shit" if you don't care to examine what motivates them?

391 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:18:37am

re: #386 darthstar

Oh, fuck...Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, God, Shiva, Iktome...who gives a fuck what people believe in when they do stupid shit. That's the fucking point.

McVeigh was raised Catholic/Christian. Mohammad Atta was Muslim. Right now they're both food for worms.

McVeigh was mixed up with the Christian Identity movement:

Among those linked to Elohim City are Timothy McVeigh (who called there minutes after renting his Ryder truck);

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

But they have a great deal of crossover with various anti-gubbmint types.

392 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:19:37am

time to run the dogs..

393 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:20:32am

re: #388 darthstar

I'm aware of his position on the Israeli government. It doesn't mean he "hates jews" which is the kind of blanket label many people tend to throw at anyone they find too critical of Israel. They'd might as well say Chomsky supported Hitler...or that he worships Satan. It's an empty accusation.

Chomsky's "criticism of Israel" is irrational. There is nothing that the "government of Israel" can do that will please him, other than dissolving itself.

This type of existential "criticism of Israel" deserves to be harshly ridiculed. It is not as though he is expressing disagreement with some particular policy that can be corrected.

394 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:21:36am

re: #388 darthstar

I never could figure out why Chomsky was so lauded on anything other than his linguistics work (and the density of his writing approaches that of lead - at the center of a neutron star - it really is that dense).

His writing on items outside his sphere of knowledge take on a patina of knowledge only because of his linguistics work, and where it comes to Israel his understanding falls flat under any level of scrutiny.

He opposed the founding of Israel as a Jewish state. Considering that Israel was founded as a refuge from the anti-Semitism rampant in Europe and the extermination campaign by the Nazis before and during WWII, that he opposed its founding shows Chomsky lacks the wherewithal to understand its necessity as a refuge against ongoing anti-Semitism.

395 RogueOne  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:22:15am

re: #373 darthstar

He was.

"Science is my religion" - T. McVeigh

I think DHS should put out a special bulletin to watch our scientist brethren. Those guys could snap at any minute.

396 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:22:59am

re: #375 MandyManners

The Indian authorities are trying to figure out if it was sabotage or a bombing, but the brutal end results are the same - nearly 100 dead and many more injured with the Maoists responsible.

397 cliffster  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:24:32am

charcoal - check
meat by the ton - check
beer by the truckload - check

ready for the long weekend. Mornin' yall

398 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:27:02am

re: #395 RogueOne

"Science is my religion" - T. McVeigh

I think DHS should put out a special bulletin to watch our scientist brethren. Those guys could snap at any minute.

No doubt. I've seen how quickly a scientist can melt down over a simple joke. Imagine what would happen if their work was criticized too much.

399 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:28:34am

The flap over this American flag has ended.

Dawn Price and her husband Charlie, an Army veteran, have an American flag on display in a window in their Brookside Apartment.

Earlier this week the property's manager, Midwest Realty Management told the couple to take it down or get out.

Just 2 days later the company set up a compromise which allowed the flag to stay if it moved to a rear window.

Price say's she isn't surprised "I know that they've been bombarded by phone calls emails faxes that really changed their words."

Then the company had another change of heart on Thursday and decided to let the flag stay exactly where it is.

"It's a relief. It really is a relief. I know how much that flag means to my husband." said Price.

Property Manager Randy Rich says the company wanted to work with the Prices, but he admits public pressure also played a role in the decision.

Rich says the company has received more than 3 thousand phone calls and more than 4 thousand emails.

SNIP

"This has nothing to do with patriotism...obviously because of all the support and all the feedback we're getting, we're modifying our procedures and policies so we can try to please everyone." said Rich.

SNIP

400 subsailor68  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:28:53am

Morning all! Well, I've done it! I've found a sane Republican. How you ask? I checked Townhall, a site I wouldn't normally link to, but I think Charles may forgive me on this one. (Not sure how else to get you guys to this article.) Linda Chavez appears to agree with what Charles has been saying:

Ugly Face of Populism

Just a little taste of how she feels:

"(Russell) Pearce is a nasty piece of work."

Heh.

(Charles, I don't remember if you put that site on the don't link list, but if so, please delete this post and I'll try to find another way to link this specific piece.)

401 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:29:11am

re: #397 cliffster

charcoal - check
meat by the ton - check
beer by the truckload - check

ready for the long weekend. Mornin' yall

For me it's probably no grilling until Monday. I have gigs tonight and Saturday night. Tomorrow afternoon I need to spray weeds and mow the lawn. Sunday's a ride with my bike club (if it doesn't rain) then an early dinner on a restaurant overlooking the water on the eastern shore. No plans yet for Monday.

402 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:29:52am

re: #205 albusteve

and in fact CA law is almost identical to AZ law, both very nearly like federal law...this whole scary 'drag 'em off the street and book 'em' scenario is a disgusting insult imo...but here at LGF that attitude prevails...opponents are just looking for trouble and they have to split hairs and diss LE to find it...I call bullshit

Well, maybe. But don't hang yourself out of spite.

403 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:30:15am

re: #396 lawhawk

The Indian authorities are trying to figure out if it was sabotage or a bombing, but the brutal end results are the same - nearly 100 dead and many more injured with the Maoists responsible.

IIRC, there was an attack within the past three or so weeks.

405 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:31:20am

re: #400 subsailor68

I don't know if he's a Republican, but John Batchelor seems pretty sane to me. At least he does on his radio show.

406 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:31:40am

re: #404 Dark_Falcon

Great article. Charen is an excellent writer and Christie is a conservative who all sane people can respect. You may not agree with his budget decisions, but he is keeping his promises and governing how he said he would.

Wilson is getting her head handed to her all over the place today.

407 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:32:32am

Oooh. All religions are equally bad.

408 subsailor68  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:33:07am

re: #405 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't know if he's a Republican, but John Batchelor seems pretty sane to me. At least he does on his radio show.

Hi Mad! Yeah, I know there are quite a few sane Republicans out there - just a little joke. I don't know John Batchelor - may have to check him out.

409 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:34:21am

re: #408 subsailor68

Hi Mad! Yeah, I know there are quite a few sane Republicans out there - just a little joke. I don't know John Batchelor - may have to check him out.

I know. What I meant is he's a conservative talk show host who is not rabid and extreme. He sounds very rational on his show, and he seems to know a hell of a lot about the Middle East.

410 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:34:55am

0re: #400 subsailor68

Morning all! Well, I've done it! I've found a sane Republican.

Now try to find a sane Democrat.

;)

411 cliffster  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:36:33am

re: #401 Mad Al-Jaffee

For me it's probably no grilling until Monday. I have gigs tonight and Saturday night. Tomorrow afternoon I need to spray weeds and mow the lawn. Sunday's a ride with my bike club (if it doesn't rain) then an early dinner on a restaurant overlooking the water on the eastern shore. No plans yet for Monday.

I think some good barbecue and beer helps get the lungs ready for some serious harping.

412 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:37:01am

Pfizer spokesman:

"Did this study take masturbation into account?"

413 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:37:02am

Israel avoids biased UN meeting


To protest the “biased” nature of the UN Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinians, Israeli officials will not attend that organization’s two-day international meeting on the peace process, which opens in Turkey on Wednesday.

“We don’t want to attend those meetings when they are based on an anti-Israeli narrative,” Israel’s deputy permanent representative to the UN, Ambassador Daniel Carmon, told The Jerusalem Post.

The resolution that created the committee and its meetings failed to recognize a two-sided conflict, he said. ”So from this perspective, Israeli government officials are not attending those meetings.”

Carmon said the practice was not unique; similar meetings are also avoided by Israeli officials.

“It’s a practice of Israel not to send Israeli government officials to those meetings, under the logic that those meetings are based upon one of so many anti-Israeli resolutions that are adopted with an automatic majority at the General Assembly,” he said.

“What is helpful is direct talk between us and our neighbors, between us and our partners to peace,” he said, “This is not being done in politicized meetings of the Committee of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People.”

He took issue with the the theme of the meeting, “Ending the occupation and establishing the Palestinian state.”

414 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:37:30am

re: #411 cliffster

I think some good barbecue and beer helps get the lungs ready for some serious harping.

True! But I won't have time to cook any tonight or tomorrow.

415 subsailor68  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:37:59am

re: #410 NJDhockeyfan

0

Now try to find a sane Democrat.

;)

LOL! Too stressful. I found Diogenes sobbing uncontrollably a few days ago. He was in the White House press room at the time.

;-)

416 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:38:09am

re: #218 SteveC

Ya'll say something?

re: #412 ryannon

Pfizer spokesman:

"Did this study take masturbation into account?"

417 Liberal Classic  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:39:12am

re: #217 albusteve

I'm speechless...I think the feds should seize BPs and all their assets here in the US

Even with a man-made ecological disaster of this magnitude, I would caution against this sort of reaction. There are laws and regulations in place. We must allow due process to work. If the results are unsatisfactory, then we should change the laws such that the next time something like this happens the public response is appropriate. Just having the government seize control sets a dangerous precedent, and is not the way a country that follows the rule of law operates.

419 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:40:09am

When North Korea goes to ''war alert'' the sirens start screaming, tanks start rolling, militias scramble into uniforms and start doing drills and everything else skids to a stop.

''Last time I experienced it, my heart started thumping. It was terrifying, we ran from school to our bunkers,'' says Wilson Im, who lived in a town north of Pyongyang before finding refuge in the South. ''All we think about is that we have to fight our enemy. The government uses the situation to gather the people and make 'one mind'.''

But in downtown Seoul yesterday, 50 kilometres from the world's most menacing concentration of mortars and missiles, it was business as usual.

SNIP

The South Korean President, Lee Myung-bak, has promised to ''punish'' the North after international investigators concluded that it was a North Korean torpedo that sank the Cheonan warship in March, killing 46 South Korean military personnel. Such punishment has included cutting trade ties, running televised Navy drills and planning to erect about 100 loudspeakers on the border to broadcast propaganda about life in the free world.

North Korea has promised to destroy those speakers with artillery shells. A thousand mainly elderly South Koreans gathered to demand tougher retaliation and newspaper front pages are carrying stories about what message the Chinese Premier, Wen Jiabao, might have carried with him to Seoul late yesterday. But the heat is already dying down south of the 38th parallel. ''Some people worry about war,'' says Sunyoung Lee, a 43-year-old photographer in Seoul. ''But North Korea doesn't have money, they cannot do it.''

SNIP

''Why not? Because a collapse of the North seems at least as dangerous, and much more likely, than its use of nuclear weapons,'' Morgan says.

The good news, however, is that the North's estimated eight nuclear missiles, of questionable functionality, are not nearly enough to embolden the North to deliberately risk outright military confrontation.

''Pyongyang has never displayed intense dedication to anything except survival; it will not initiate a war to die for its principles,'' Morgan says.

SNIP

420 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:40:26am

re: #391 iceweasel

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

But they have a great deal of crossover with various anti-gubbmint types.

Well... Smiley does make a point...

"Oh, Christians, every day, people walk into post offices, they walk into schools, that's what Columbine is - I could do this all day long. There are so many more examples of Christians - and I happen to be a Christian. That's back to this notion of your idealizing Christianity in my mind, to my read. There are so many more examples, Ayaan, of Christians who do that than you could ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that inside this country, where you live and work."

421 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:41:21am

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Now, are any others here who want to claim that Communists are gentle little lambs?

I thought only Republicans are violent.

422 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:42:24am

re: #420 Walter L. Newton

Well... Smiley does make a point...

"Oh, Christians, every day, people walk into post offices, they walk into schools, that's what Columbine is - I could do this all day long. There are so many more examples of Christians - and I happen to be a Christian. That's back to this notion of your idealizing Christianity in my mind, to my read. There are so many more examples, Ayaan, of Christians who do that than you could ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that inside this country, where you live and work."

That is a complete and willful lie.

423 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:42:36am

‘Courageous Restraint’ in action: U.S. pilots find it hard not to respond when fellow soldiers are under attack


ABC News reporter Martha Raddatz was allowed to fly in an Air Force F-15E fighter jet on a combat mission in Afghanistan. The plane was loaded with 500-pound bombs and ready to protect coalition forces on the ground. But the guiding principle of the mission, Raddatz writes, was to exercise “courageous restraint,” that is, to not fire at the enemy if there were the possibility that civilians might be hurt or if buildings might be damaged — even if that meant that American or coalition forces were in great danger.

“Sometimes not firing can be tough,” Raddatz writes. “Pilots say it’s hard to watch their fellow soldiers on the ground taking fire.”

But that’s what they do, under orders from top American commanders. On this mission, when a French officer on the ground requested a bomb be dropped on the enemy, the U.S. pilot said no, opting for strafing instead because it would be safer for those on the ground — except, of course, for the coalition forces.

[snip]

424 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:43:41am

re: #420 Walter L. Newton

Well... Smiley does make a point...

"Oh, Christians, every day, people walk into post offices, they walk into schools, that's what Columbine is - I could do this all day long. There are so many more examples of Christians - and I happen to be a Christian. That's back to this notion of your idealizing Christianity in my mind, to my read. There are so many more examples, Ayaan, of Christians who do that than you could ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that inside this country, where you live and work."

That's not from my link.

425 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:43:54am

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Now, are any others here who want to claim that Communists are gentle little lambs?

We need to work with moderate communists.
//

426 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:43:58am

re: #422 MandyManners

That is a complete and willful lie.

Didn't say it was... did I. Read what I wrote... I said "Smiley does make a point..." Didn't he?

427 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:44:15am

re: #406 MandyManners

Wilson is getting her head handed to her all over the place today.

She's going to be the poster-girl of thuggish, clueless unionism. Her objections will fail, and the union will either accept a pay freeze are see its membership reduced by layoffs. Most likely the latter, since the union bosses care more for power than for their members. They are not unique in that of course, as most corporate executives and politicians are the same way.

428 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:44:21am

re: #407 MandyManners

Oooh. All religions are equally bad.

That's right.

429 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:44:40am

Gary Coleman on Life Support

430 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:44:49am

re: #237 MandyManners

Hundreds of people have been taken hostage by gunmen after an assault on two mosques today in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore that left at least 30 people dead and dozens injured.

As usual, your ignoring the Catholic Church. Not to mention the Amish.

431 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:45:01am

re: #422 MandyManners

The man is correct. Within the united states, we face more of a threat from other Americans, most of whom are Christian, than from Islamic terrorists. He's right.

You might not like it, but that doesn't make it a lie.

432 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:45:03am

re: #424 iceweasel

That's not from my link.

No, it's from my link... it's from what Travis Smiley said on NPR... I was piggy backing on your point...

[Link: blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com...]

434 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:47:35am

re: #423 NJDhockeyfan

‘Courageous Restraint’ in action: U.S. pilots find it hard not to respond when fellow soldiers are under attack

Why not just give our bombers water balloons?!

Gah. This is just fucking awful.

435 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:47:59am

re: #431 Fozzie Bear

The man is correct. Within the united states, we face more of a threat from other Americans, most of whom are Christian, than from Islamic terrorists. He's right.

You might not like it, but that doesn't make it a lie.

I do not agree.

436 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:48:10am

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Didn't say it was... did I. Read what I wrote... I said "Smiley does make a point..." Didn't he?

Oh, I didn't mean to imply anything untoward for you.

437 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:49:06am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

She's going to be the poster-girl of thuggish, clueless unionism. Her objections will fail, and the union will either accept a pay freeze are see its membership reduced by layoffs. Most likely the latter, since the union bosses care more for power than for their members. They are not unique in that of course, as most corporate executives and politicians are the same way.

Have you read the links by--IIRC--LawHawk and NJDHockeyfan about her actual pay?

438 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:49:32am

re: #433 ryannon

"Volunteer" sort of has a mushy definition when you are talking about suicide bombers, I think. I don't think that anyone who believes that blowing themselves up along with a bunch of random civilians is capable of making a rational decision. I tend to think of them as crazy, rather than simply evil.

439 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:50:26am

re: #431 Fozzie Bear

The man is correct. Within the united states, we face more of a threat from other Americans, most of whom are Christian, than from Islamic terrorists. He's right.

You might not like it, but that doesn't make it a lie.

He is notThis is true...

"Oh, Christians, every day, people walk into post offices, they walk into schools, that's what Columbine is - I could do this all day long. There are so many more examples of Christians - and I happen to be a Christian. That's back to this notion of your idealizing Christianity in my mind, to my read. There are so many more examples, Ayaan, of Christians who do that than you could ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that inside this country, where you live and work."

Did you listen to the whole interview... he is talking about Christian terrorist walking into posts offices and schools every day... he asks for an example of a Muslim who has ever done that inside this country...

He's nuts... his statement indicates that Muslims have never done this inside our country.

I'm not debating his opinion on Christian terrorist, I'm questioning his totally dismissing Muslims from any terrorism.

440 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:50:27am

re: #430 ryannon

As usual, your ignoring the Catholic Church. Not to mention the Amish.

And, the Southern Baptists and their dastardly casseroles.

441 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:50:28am

re: #428 iceweasel

That's right.

that's wrong...and you know it

442 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:50:35am

re: #438 Fozzie Bear

Argh. PIMF. The second sentence is missing some bits, but the meaning can easily be inferred.

443 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:51:05am

Willful stupidity baffles me.

444 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:51:32am

re: #433 ryannon

No shortage of women and children.

Sad thought.

445 cliffster  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:51:40am

re: #431 Fozzie Bear

The man is correct. Within the united states, we face more of a threat from other Americans, most of whom are Christian, than from Islamic terrorists. He's right.

You might not like it, but that doesn't make it a lie.

That point could be twisted in all sorts of semantical ways to make it seem like what you're saying is true. The fact is, if you think that people in the US face more of a threat from Christians, because they are Christians, in the name of Christ, than they do Islamic terrorists, then you're insane.

446 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:52:23am

0re: #434 MandyManners

Why not just give our bombers water balloons?!

Gah. This is just fucking awful.

General Patton is rolling over in his grave.

447 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:53:18am

re: #445 cliffster

That point could be twisted in all sorts of semantical ways to make it seem like what you're saying is true. The fact is, if you think that people in the US face more of a threat from Christians, because they are Christians, in the name of Christ, than they do Islamic terrorists, then you're insane.

Or, willfully ignorant.

448 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:53:47am

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

No, it's from my link... it's from what Travis Smiley said on NPR... I was piggy backing on your point...

[Link: blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com...]

The Phineas Priesthood offshoot of the Christian Identity movement are some pretty scary people. Involved in some bank robberies and at least one abortion clinic bombing.
ADL background on them here; there's an old story about them here as well:

Of all the permutations of the Patriot movement’s Christian Identity factions, the Phineas Priesthood is perhaps the most insidious and frightening. The clear threat of violence lies at the heart of the group’s agenda, and as the Spokane bombings suggest, its members are prepared to carry it out -- on a national scale. The sect’s tendrils extend to some of the most notorious crimes of recent history, to Oklahoma City and, possibly, to the burning embers of black churches in the South.

The Phineas Priesthood wants to force the country to adhere to “God’s Laws.” And its adherents plan to punish people who violate them. Their blueprint:

-- “Executing” interracial couples and homosexuals.

-- Bombing abortion clinics and “executing” abortion doctors.

-- Bombing civil-rights centers and “executing” civil-rights leaders and other “race mixers.”

-- Robbing banks to finance their activities, purchase arms, and help fund the work of other radical Patriots and white supremacists.

Each of these crimes, adherents of the sect believe, is justified because they represent enforcement of God’s laws -- specifically, Old Testament laws regarding homosexuality, abortion, race mixing, and money lending. These laws -- inspired, evidently, by verses from the Old Testament and Apocrypha -- supersede secular society’s rules, they believe, and only when Americans adhere to them will God bless the nation again. They see themselves as real Christian heroes.

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:53:47am

re: #440 MandyManners

And, the Southern Baptists and their dastardly casseroles.

Fried chicken.

Murderers and mutilators. The whole bunch!

450 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:53:59am

re: #446 NJDhockeyfan

0


General Patton is rolling over in his grave.

I wonder what he'd say.

451 cliffster  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:55:10am

re: #447 MandyManners

Or, willfully ignorant.

people confuse, "contrarian" with "intellectual" sometimes

452 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:55:32am

re: #441 albusteve

that's wrong...and you know it

Hello steve! You're wrong as usual.

453 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:55:53am

re: #439 Walter L. Newton

I don't agree with the entirety of his statement, especially the bit about "every day.." (because clearly it isn't a daily event) but if I had to place a bet on whether it was more likely for me to be killed by a random Christian vs. a random Islamic extremist, within the US, I would put money on the random Christian doing me in.

This isn't because I think Christians are violent or whatever, but rather I am agreeing with his general point that, within the US, you are more likely to be hit by lightning than killed by a terrorist.

I don't think Mr. Smiley, given his general history, was trying to paint Christians with some kind of dark brush, but rather he was making a point about the prevalence of nuttiness in humanity in general, rather than it being restricted to Islam. That would seem to be the point he was making, taken in context, and I happen to agree. He could have phrased it differently, certainly, but he isn't some kind of anti-Christian nut.

454 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:56:17am

re: #452 iceweasel

Hello steve! You're wrong as usual.

your premise is laughable

455 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:56:38am

re: #417 Liberal Classic

Even with a man-made ecological disaster of this magnitude, I would caution against this sort of reaction. There are laws and regulations in place. We must allow due process to work. If the results are unsatisfactory, then we should change the laws such that the next time something like this happens the public response is appropriate. Just having the government seize control sets a dangerous precedent, and is not the way a country that follows the rule of law operates.

I don't know about that. Exxon paid only a fraction of the punitive damages that they were supposed to pay. The problem, as Obama said yesterday in his press conference, is that the oil and gas industry makes the rules and those rules are not written for our wellbeing, for the environment or the 1000s of people making a living in our waters. They are made to support the oil and gas industry.

One thing he said yesterday, something about the permit process will now be separated and done by another agency so they can get the environmental surveys completed. Apparently, they were just waiving these surveys.

For a company like BP to have such a dangerous product and not use precautions to keep the product safe, for the oil and gas industry to make their own rules to suit them and no one else, that is certainly not the "American Way" and that has to change.

456 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:58:16am

re: #448 iceweasel

The Phineas Priesthood offshoot of the Christian Identity movement are some pretty scary people. Involved in some bank robberies and at least one abortion clinic bombing.
ADL background on them here; there's an old story about them here as well:

I don't care... I was talking about Smileys statement, especially this part "There are so many more examples, Ayaan, of Christians who do that than you could ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that inside this country,"

That's what I was addressing. If you don't have an opinion on that statement, fine, I'm well aware of the covenant and identity groups in the US, I probably have over 500 books, tracts and pamphlets on the subject.

457 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:58:49am

Consumer spending posts weak April reading


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Consumer spending was stagnant in April while incomes posted a tiny advance, signs that the economic recovery could slow.

The flat spending level was the weakest showing in seven months, according to the Commerce Department report. Personal incomes rose 0.4 percent, in line with expectations but not fast enough to help generate real growth.

More people are holding on to their money, the report noted. The savings rate rose 3.6 percent in April. The rate had fallen to 3.1 percent in March, the lowest reading since October 2008.

Consumer spending is closely watched because it accounts for 70 percent of total economic activity.

458 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:59:17am

re: #453 Fozzie Bear

I don't agree with the entirety of his statement, especially the bit about "every day.." (because clearly it isn't a daily event) but if I had to place a bet on whether it was more likely for me to be killed by a random Christian vs. a random Islamic extremist, within the US, I would put money on the random Christian doing me in.

This isn't because I think Christians are violent or whatever, but rather I am agreeing with his general point that, within the US, you are more likely to be hit by lightning than killed by a terrorist.

I don't think Mr. Smiley, given his general history, was trying to paint Christians with some kind of dark brush, but rather he was making a point about the prevalence of nuttiness in humanity in general, rather than it being restricted to Islam. That would seem to be the point he was making, taken in context, and I happen to agree. He could have phrased it differently, certainly, but he isn't some kind of anti-Christian nut.

I don't give any import to a person who uses that sort of dishonest hyperbole...

459 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:59:38am

"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones.

Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American."

SNIP

"When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have.

We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!"

SNIP

460 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:59:38am

re: #454 albusteve

your premise is laughable

Your attempts at mind reading usually are.

461 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 8:59:58am

re: #451 cliffster

people confuse, "contrarian" with "intellectual" sometimes

Do not.

462 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:00:26am

re: #453 Fozzie Bear

I don't agree with the entirety of his statement, especially the bit about "every day.." (because clearly it isn't a daily event) but if I had to place a bet on whether it was more likely for me to be killed by a random Christian vs. a random Islamic extremist, within the US, I would put money on the random Christian doing me in.

This isn't because I think Christians are violent or whatever, but rather I am agreeing with his general point that, within the US, you are more likely to be hit by lightning than killed by a terrorist.

I don't think Mr. Smiley, given his general history, was trying to paint Christians with some kind of dark brush, but rather he was making a point about the prevalence of nuttiness in humanity in general, rather than it being restricted to Islam. That would seem to be the point he was making, taken in context, and I happen to agree. He could have phrased it differently, certainly, but he isn't some kind of anti-Christian nut.

Right. Well I think he misses the point though. Was that Hirisi Ali in the interview? I don't know if she made this point later on, but Muslims tend to kill IN THE NAME OF God, while "Christian" terrorists may be Christians, but they aren't killing in the name of God. McVeigh didn't, the Columbine kids didn't, in fact, killing in the name of Jesus pretty much went out with the crusades. The exception would be abortion doctor killers.

463 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:00:30am

re: #445 cliffster

That point could be twisted in all sorts of semantical ways to make it seem like what you're saying is true. The fact is, if you think that people in the US face more of a threat from Christians, because they are Christians, in the name of Christ, than they do Islamic terrorists, then you're insane.

That isn't what the man said. He was taking issue with idealizing Christianity as free from craziness. He wasn't demonizing. The part I italicized isn't said nor is it implied in his statement. He was divorcing the act of terrorism from the implied assertion (made by his guest) that terrorism is inherently an Islamic phenomenon. Context is everything.

464 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:00:40am

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fried chicken.

Murderers and mutilators. The whole bunch!

And, PIE.

465 KingKenrod  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:00:42am

re: #448 iceweasel

Well, those guys sound pretty awful.

Part of the reason there is a higher general fear of radical Islamic attacks is that Jihadists go for mass, indiscriminate killing, while radical Christian groups like the one you mention go for targeted political assassination.

Also, I think if you look at events worldwide, radical Islamists have been better financed and more successful.

466 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:00:48am

re: #446 NJDhockeyfan

0


General Patton is rolling over in his grave.

"...or if buildings might be damaged"

Oh right, by all means sacrifice your own troops to save a building.
That just can't be the policy.

467 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:01:04am

Smileys logic reminds me of:

God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

468 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:02:52am

Speaking of fucking Maoists,...

The Knesset, Israel's parliament, on Wednesday gave greenlight to bills that will lead to worse conditions for Hamas prisoners in Israeli jails, despite warnings from the Islamic movement to avenge aggravated treatment to its men.

The Knesset approved the two bills in preliminary reading, in a move to push Hamas to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit who were captured and taken hostage in Gaza by militants in 2006, reported local news service Ynet.

Israeli Ministerial Committee on Legislation on Sunday passed the so called "Shalit law" and submitted it to the legislature.

According to the bills, prisoners in Israeli jails who were convicted for joining terrorist organizations will be barred from meeting family and receiving newspapers.

SNIP

469 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:03:05am

re: #467 Mad Al-Jaffee

Smileys logic reminds me of:

God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

lol Actually Tavis is a good guy. I like him 90% of the time. This time he's off.

470 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:03:14am

re: #428 iceweasel

That's right.

You forgot your sarc tag. You can't believe that.

471 Liberal Classic  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:03:32am

re: #455 marjoriemoon

Industrial activity is hazardous, and it is impossible to eliminate all risk. We need to come away with a better understanding of how to prevent it, and better regulations and laws to see that preventative measures are taken and to assess penalties for non-compliance. Short answer: Fix the law before it happens again. Change what procedures need to be changed. "Sieze them" is not the "American Way".

472 Lateralis  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:03:34am

re: #469 marjoriemoon

lol Actually Tavis is a good guy. I like him 90% of the time. This time he's off.

Way off.

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:03:50am

re: #467 Mad Al-Jaffee

Smileys logic reminds me of:

God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

I dreamed about Ray Charles last night, and he could see just fine.

Cool song.

Steve? Don't bother. You won't like it.

474 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:04:57am

re: #450 MandyManners

I wonder what he'd say.

He'd have tried to fight and failed. Though he was excellent at maneuver warfare, I think that the current terror war would be impossible for Patton to handle. America is not country given to mass slaughter anymore, and other than depopulation there is no quick way to bring down an insurgency. Winning takes time and yes, restraint. Patton would not have been able to adjust.

475 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:05:21am

re: #460 iceweasel

Your attempts at mind reading usually are.

"all religions are equally bad"
hahaha...wtf is that even supposed to mean? bad at what?

476 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:05:24am

ndre: #465 KingKenrod


Part of the reason there is a higher general fear of radical Islamic attacks is that Jihadists go for mass, indiscriminate killing, while radical Christian groups like the one you mention go for targeted political assassination.

Only if you consider bombing an abortion clinic to be 'targeted'. Considering that it can kill women there for reasons other than getting an abortion, I don't think so.

Besides, it'd be pretty easy to find examples of various fringe 'christian' groups going in for indiscriminate killing. The Hutaree were hoping to kill law enforcement indiscriminately.

477 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:05:26am

re: #471 Liberal Classic

Industrial activity is hazardous, and it is impossible to eliminate all risk. We need to come away with a better understanding of how to prevent it, and better regulations and laws to see that preventative measures are taken and to assess penalties for non-compliance. Short answer: Fix the law before it happens again. Change what procedures need to be changed. "Sieze them" is not the "American Way".

No? If a company does wrong, a company has to pay and if they are required, by court order to pay and they don't have the money, they have to sell off their business. Happens all the time.

478 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:05:46am

re: #397 cliffster

charcoal - check
meat by the ton - check
beer by the truckload - check

ready for the long weekend. Mornin' yall

Mornin' cliff...it is barbecue season's opening weekend! Hooray!

479 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:05:59am

re: #474 Dark_Falcon

He'd have tried to fight and failed. Though he was excellent at maneuver warfare, I think that the current terror war would be impossible for Patton to handle. America is not country given to mass slaughter anymore, and other than depopulation there is no quick way to bring down an insurgency. Winning takes time and yes, restraint. Patton would not have been able to adjust.

I wasn't talking about strategy. I was talking about the absurdity of the "restraint".

480 Lateralis  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:06:10am

re: #463 Fozzie Bear

That isn't what the man said. He was taking issue with idealizing Christianity as free from craziness. He wasn't demonizing. The part I italicized isn't said nor is it implied in his statement. He was divorcing the act of terrorism from the implied assertion (made by his guest) that terrorism is inherently an Islamic phenomenon. Context is everything.

So you are trying to say that if we dug up current data on terrorism around the world most of it would not fall under the "Isalamic phenomenon"?

481 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:06:14am

re: #462 marjoriemoon

Right. Well I think he misses the point though. Was that Hirisi Ali in the interview? I don't know if she made this point later on, but Muslims tend to kill IN THE NAME OF God, while "Christian" terrorists may be Christians, but they aren't killing in the name of God. McVeigh didn't, the Columbine kids didn't, in fact, killing in the name of Jesus pretty much went out with the crusades. The exception would be abortion doctor killers.

Depends... Identity and Covenant groups see themselves as the only inheritors of the promises made to Israel in the Hebrew Scriptures. Not only that, they weave a white only message into that mix. Yes, they do see themselves as doing the work of Jesus, preaching "their good news" about white Identity and the Covenant available to the white people. And this also excludes Catholics and Jews too.

Yes, they really believe they are continuing the work of Jesus.

482 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:06:18am

re: #476 iceweasel

Insert "no true Scotsman" fallacy here.

483 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:06:49am

re: #478 darthstar

I've had the gas grill going for a couple of weeks now... though that reminds me that i have to clear out the venturis because they keep getting clogged...

484 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:07:19am

re: #340 _RememberTonyC

didn't realize he was also Jewish ... ugh

Richard Goldstone

Don't you know how to read?

485 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:07:38am

re: #480 Lateralis

So you are trying to say that if we dug up current data on terrorism around the world most of it would not fall under the "Isalamic phenomenon"?


No. I'm saying if you dug up data on terrorism within the US, which is the topic discussed by Mr. Smiley and his guest...

486 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:07:48am

re: #480 Lateralis

So you are trying to say that if we dug up current data on terrorism around the world most of it would not fall under the "Isalamic phenomenon"?

Travis Smiley was talking about the United States, not the rest of the world...

"Oh, Christians, every day, people walk into post offices, they walk into schools, that's what Columbine is - I could do this all day long. There are so many more examples of Christians - and I happen to be a Christian. That's back to this notion of your idealizing Christianity in my mind, to my read. There are so many more examples, Ayaan, of Christians who do that than you could ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that inside this country, where you live and work."

487 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:08:13am

re: #478 darthstar

Mornin' cliff...it is barbecue season's opening weekend! Hooray!

For me there's no such thing as "barbecue season." I barbecue and grill (and there is a difference!) all year round.

488 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:09:21am

re: #468 MandyManners

Speaking of fucking Maoists,...

The Knesset, Israel's parliament, on Wednesday gave greenlight to bills that will lead to worse conditions for Hamas prisoners in Israeli jails, despite warnings from the Islamic movement to avenge aggravated treatment to its men.

This actually strikes me as a good idea. Hamas refuses to listen, so now its time to put the screws to its members. And frankly, they should not have been allowed such benefits before. They are terrorist scum and the conditions of their confinement should be painful and punitive.

489 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:09:21am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Depends... Identity and Covenant groups see themselves as the only inheritors of the promises made to Israel in the Hebrew Scriptures. Not only that, they weave a white only message into that mix. Yes, they do see themselves as doing the work of Jesus, preaching "their good news" about white Identity and the Covenant available to the white people. And this also excludes Catholics and Jews too.

Yes, they really believe they are continuing the work of Jesus.

Do they actually believe that the neighbor's they're commanded to love are only white Protestants?

490 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:10:39am

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

This actually strikes me as a good idea. Hamas refuses to listen, so now its time to put the screws to its members. And frankly, they should not have been allowed such benefits before. They are terrorist scum and the conditions of their confinement should be painful and punitive.

My "fucking" comment was about the source, a Chinese outlet.

I wonder what kind of condition Shalit is in now.

491 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:11:14am

re: #472 Lateralis

Way off.

Fozzie was right on in #463. Tavis is right that one shouldn't idealize Christianity. Anti-abortionists, wacka-dos like Phelps etc, kill in the name of God, but I don't think that's so typical of the "others" (Jews and Christian murderers). It is typical of Muslims who kill.

492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:11:42am

Sad. Poor little messed up guy.

493 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:12:03am

re: #479 MandyManners

I wasn't talking about strategy. I was talking about the absurdity of the "restraint".

I do think we take restraint too far, but insurgencies cannot be beaten without serious restraint. Unless, that is, you are willing to go with no restraint at all which means the large scale killing of hostile populations. The United States does not do that anyone, nor will it absent a transformative catastrophe.

494 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:12:14am

re: #487 Mad Al-Jaffee

For me there's no such thing as "barbecue season." I barbecue and grill (and there is a difference!) all year round.

I fire up my little hibachi on my porch in the dead of winter. There's something therapeutic about grilling over open fire when there's snow on the ground.

495 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:12:14am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Depends... Identity and Covenant groups see themselves as the only inheritors of the promises made to Israel in the Hebrew Scriptures. Not only that, they weave a white only message into that mix. Yes, they do see themselves as doing the work of Jesus, preaching "their good news" about white Identity and the Covenant available to the white people. And this also excludes Catholics and Jews too.

Yes, they really believe they are continuing the work of Jesus.

Yes, but do they kill over it?

496 Liberal Classic  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:12:19am

re: #477 marjoriemoon

No? If a company does wrong, a company has to pay and if they are required, by court order to pay and they don't have the money, they have to sell off their business. Happens all the time.

Please refer to the original post I was responding to. That post said nothing about due process, had no mention of a judgment by a court. It was just "have the U.S. seize all their assets." That is the reaction that I am responding to. I can understand if the author of that post left it out in frustration, just making an off-the-cuff remark. That's fine, and all. But I felt the need to say as dispassionately as possible that "seize them" is not the way we do things.

497 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:13:11am

re: #490 MandyManners

My "fucking" comment was about the source, a Chinese outlet.

I wonder what kind of condition Shalit is in now.

Not good shape. They've shown he's alive, though.

498 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:13:28am

re: #485 Fozzie Bear

No. I'm saying if you dug up data on terrorism within the US, which is the topic discussed by Mr. Smiley and his guest...

Then you'd agree with the April 2009 DHS report, which has been a never ending source of butthurt for wingnuts.

499 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:13:33am

re: #495 marjoriemoon

Yes, but do they kill over it?

Some of them do.

500 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:14:09am

re: #498 iceweasel

Then you'd agree with the April 2009 DHS report, which has been a never ending source of butthurt for wingnuts.

That was part and parcel of what I was getting at, yes. (Though not the entirety)

501 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:15:33am

re: #493 Dark_Falcon

I do think we take restraint too far, but insurgencies cannot be beaten without serious restraint. Unless, that is, you are willing to go with no restraint at all which means the large scale killing of hostile populations. The United States does not do that anyone, nor will it absent a transformative catastrophe.

The new policy is too far.

502 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:16:12am

re: #497 Dark_Falcon

Not good shape. They've shown he's alive, though.

The only reason he's alive is that he's being used as a tool.

503 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:16:21am

re: #489 MandyManners

Do they actually believe that the neighbor's they're commanded to love are only white Protestants?

Mandy... love and those concepts have nothing to do with Identity and Covenant groups. In their theology, they are the only real Christians... Catholics and high holy sects of Christianity are totally apostate and the more fundamental protestant sects are wrong and misguided.

They are supersucessionist, believing that there way is the only true way.

504 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:17:24am

re: #468 MandyManners

Speaking of fucking Maoists,...

The Knesset, Israel's parliament, on Wednesday gave greenlight to bills that will lead to worse conditions for Hamas prisoners in Israeli jails, despite warnings from the Islamic movement to avenge aggravated treatment to its men.

What it means is they will take away their free cable TV and advanced college degree programs.

505 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:18:12am

re: #482 Fozzie Bear

Insert "no true Scotsman" fallacy here.

Countdown in 3...2...

506 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:19:26am

Oakland CA to start taxing marijuana growers. If you can't beat 'em. Tax 'em.

Local governments in California and other Western states have tried to clamp down on medical marijuana, but Oakland has taken a different approach.

If you can't beat 'em, tax 'em.

After becoming the first U.S. city to impose a special tax on medical marijuana dispensaries, Oakland soon could become the first to sanction and tax commercial pot growing operations. Selling and growing marijuana remain illegal under federal law.

Two City Council members are preparing legislation, expected to be introduced next month, that would allow at least three industrial-scale growing operations.

One of the authors, Councilman Larry Reid, said the proposal is more of an effort to bring in money than an endorsement of legalizing marijuana use — although the council has unanimously supported that, too.

The city is facing a $42 million budget shortfall. The tax voters approved last summer on the four medical marijuana clubs allowed under Oakland law is expected to contribute $1 million to its coffers in the first year, Reid said. A tax on growers' sales to the clubs could bring in substantially more, he said.

Not quite sure how they're going to manage this with marijuana still illegal under federal law.

507 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:19:27am

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

Some of them do.

Most of them don't. They just torture the rest of us with their nonsense.

508 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:19:31am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Mandy... love and those concepts have nothing to do with Identity and Covenant groups. In their theology, they are the only real Christians... Catholics and high holy sects of Christianity are totally apostate and the more fundamental protestant sects are wrong and misguided.

They are supersessionist, believing that there way is the only true way.

And let me clarify, they are "super" supersessionist, taking the supersessionism that is evident in most Christian sects to the extreme.

509 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:21:08am

re: #491 marjoriemoon

Fozzie was right on in #463. Tavis is right that one shouldn't idealize Christianity. Anti-abortionists, wacka-dos like Phelps etc, kill in the name of God, but I don't think that's so typical of the "others" (Jews and Christian murderers). It is typical of Muslims who kill.

WHo did Phelps kill?

510 cliffster  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:21:34am

re: #478 darthstar

Mornin' cliff...it is barbecue season's opening weekend! Hooray!

not good for the cholesterol, but good for the spirit!

511 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:22:04am

re: #509 Walter L. Newton

WHo did Phelps kill?

Dr. Tiller.

512 Lateralis  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:22:49am

re: #485 Fozzie Bear

No. I'm saying if you dug up data on terrorism within the US, which is the topic discussed by Mr. Smiley and his guest...

The following link and quotes are from the FBI's Terrorism Report 2002 - 2005

[Link: terrorisminfo.mipt.org...]

In keeping with a longstanding trend, domestic extremists carried out the majority of terrorist incidents during this period. Twenty three of the 24 recorded terrorist incidents were perpetrated by domestic terrorists. With the exception of a white supremacist’s firebombing of a synagogue in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, all of the domes-
tic terrorist incidents were committed by special interest extremists active in the animal rights and environmental movements. The acts committed by these
extremists typically targeted materials and facilities rather than persons. The
sole international terrorist incident in the United States recorded for this
period involved an attack at the El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport, which claimed the lives of two victims.
The terrorism preventions for 2002 through 2005 present a more diverse threat
picture. Eight of the 14 recorded terrorism preventions stemmed from right- wing extremism, and included disruptions to plotting by individuals involved with the militia, white supremacist, constitutionalist and tax protestor, and anti- abortion movements. The remaining preventions included disruptions to plot-
ting by an anarchist in Bellingham, Washington, who sought to bomb a U.S. Coast Guard station; a plot to attack an Islamic center in Pinellis Park, Florida; and a plot by prison-originated, Muslim convert group to attack U.S. military, Jewish, and Israeli targets in the greater Los Angeles area. In addition, three
preventions involved individuals who sought to provide material support to for- eign terrorist organizations, including al-Qa’ida, for attacks within the United States.

513 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:23:06am

Repost from Alouette.

The final results are in! VIZU polls have to run a full 60 days before they are closed, and Babushka readers have chosen Mustafa the Muslim Maggot to represent Hamas as the new children's TV mascot.

Hamas, being the contrary bastards, have already selected Palestina Panda, who received the fewest votes, for their TV mascot.

Here are the final results:

Mustafa Maggot: 23.8%
Spongebomb Seethepants: 21.1%
Hijab the alluring Goat: 20.2%
Dora the Infidel Whora: 18.8%
Barney the Jew-squashing Dinosaur: 8.1%
Palestina Panda: 8.1%

514 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:23:23am

re: #509 Walter L. Newton

WHo did Phelps kill?

hehe.... I read that after I wrote it. No, he didn't kill anyone, but I was talking about Christian extremists and Phelps came to mind. I can't really think of any that kill other than anti-abortionists, but I'm sure I'm missing someone.

515 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:24:01am

re: #511 darthstar

Dr. Tiller.

Scott Roeder killed Tiller.

516 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:24:18am

re: #506 lawhawk

Oakland CA to start taxing marijuana growers. If you can't beat 'em. Tax 'em.

Not quite sure how they're going to manage this with marijuana still illegal under federal law.

They've been doing that for a while now. California's pot dispensaries occasionally get raided by the Feds but the local cops don't bother them because they're legal under California law but not under federal law. Same with the people who get permits to grow pot. The Feds still raid them.

517 cliffster  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:24:37am

re: #463 Fozzie Bear

That isn't what the man said. He was taking issue with idealizing Christianity as free from craziness. He wasn't demonizing. The part I italicized isn't said nor is it implied in his statement. He was divorcing the act of terrorism from the implied assertion (made by his guest) that terrorism is inherently an Islamic phenomenon. Context is everything.

Like I said, down that road you can play whatever sort of semantical games you like, and that assertion becomes pretty useless.

518 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:24:44am

re: #515 marjoriemoon

Scott Roeder killed Tiller.

It don't matter... fits the meme... works for him.

519 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:25:22am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Mandy... love and those concepts have nothing to do with Identity and Covenant groups. In their theology, they are the only real Christians... Catholics and high holy sects of Christianity are totally apostate and the more fundamental protestant sects are wrong and misguided.

They are supersucessionist, believing that there way is the only true way.

Willful ignorance, then.

520 Liberal Classic  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:25:36am

re: #509 Walter L. Newton

WHo did Phelps kill?

Phelps doesn't kill anyone. That having been said, dancing on graves is enabling behavior. He gives gives aid and comfort by cheering from the sidelines.

521 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:25:50am

re: #504 Alouette

What it means is they will take away their free cable TV and advanced college degree programs.

And, papers and visits from their mommies.

522 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:26:29am

re: #506 lawhawk

Oakland CA to start taxing marijuana growers. If you can't beat 'em. Tax 'em.


Not quite sure how they're going to manage this with marijuana still illegal under federal law.

Maybe they should also up the taxes on Twinkies and Cheetos.

523 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:26:55am

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

And let me clarify, they are "super" supersessionist, taking the supersessionism that is evident in most Christian sects to the extreme.

What does that mean?

524 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:27:11am

re: #502 MandyManners

The only reason he's alive is that he's being used as a tool.

That's true of any victim of a professional kidnapping. If the kidnappers decide that they can;t get what they want, then they kill the victim.

525 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:27:16am

I have to go forage for food. Later lizards.

526 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:28:18am

This is kind of hilarious:

Greta Van Sustren gets hate mail, posts it on her Fox News blog:

Greta,

You got that right, you have a mind like a seive. Your brain is empty.

Matter of fact, it is so empty, if you put a pea in your skull it would rattle around like a BB in a boxcar. You said it, gal, not me, but I sure do agree with you. A true blonde.

Brian ***

Tahlequah, OK

PS How do you get that cush job, anyway?

So she asks Fox News viewers to comment and vote: Who is dumber, Greta or Brian for watching?

Current results: Greta, 68%.

527 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:28:36am

re: #524 Dark_Falcon

That's true of any victim of a professional kidnapping. If the kidnappers decide that they can;t get what they want, then they kill the victim.

This is true.

528 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:29:11am

re: #440 MandyManners

And, the Southern Baptists and their dastardly casseroles.

Lutefisk!

Carrot Jello!

529 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:29:51am

re: #520 Liberal Classic

Phelps doesn't kill anyone. That having been said, dancing on graves is enabling behavior. He gives gives aid and comfort by cheering from the sidelines.

I thought darthstar's point was that Phelps is someone who enables that climate, yeah.

530 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:29:55am

re: #526 iceweasel

This is kind of hilarious:

Greta Van Sustren gets hate mail, posts it on her Fox News blog:

So she asks Fox News viewers to comment and vote: Who is dumber, Greta or Brian for watching?

Current results: Greta, 68%.

I don't understand why people watch TV programs they hate, then seethe about it.

531 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:30:31am

re: #519 MandyManners

Willful ignorance, then.

You just don't understand, do you? It's not ignorance. They can give you scripture and verse to prove their point, they can give you a pseudo-history of how the lost tribes of Israel became white Europeans, they can show you in supportive books and manuscripts written by "theologians" over the last 200 years that prove their position.

Many of these people are far from ignorant. But, just like any religious dogma, they can be honestly convinced that they are right and the rest of the world is wrong.

You must lead a sheltered life is you don't understand this. And I don't mean that to be nasty, but maybe you should look into the Covenant and Identity theology, read up on two hundred years of Anglo-Israelism (or also know as British-Israelism).

Spend a few hours on the subject. You will be surprised how many of the mainstream fundamentalist sects sit on the edge of the same thoughts.

532 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:30:37am

re: #519 MandyManners

Willful ignorance, then.

Exactly. They don't really understand Christianity, but they act like they're the only ones who do. To admit a need to listen would be to give up their claim monopoly on truth, and that would eliminate the sealed world of hate and rage in which their followers live.

533 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:30:54am

re: #530 NJDhockeyfan

I don't understand why people watch TV programs they hate, then seethe about it.

addiction...they can't stop

534 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:31:05am

re: #529 iceweasel

I thought darthstar's point was that Phelps is someone who enables that climate, yeah.

Was there a connection between Scott Roeder & the Phelps clan?

535 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:31:46am

re: #528 ryannon

Lutefisk!

Carrot Jello!

*shudder*

536 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:33:38am

re: #534 NJDhockeyfan

Was there a connection between Scott Roeder & the Phelps clan?

I'm not up on the extent of the Phelps' involvement in the anti-choice movement. Roeder did have ties to the Army of God and Operation Rescue.

537 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:33:46am

re: #523 MandyManners

What does that mean?

Supersessionism and replacement theology or fulfillment theology are Christian interpretations of New Testament claims, viewing God's relationship with Christians as being either the "replacement" or "fulfillment" or "completion" of the promise made to the Jews (or Israelites) and Jewish Proselytes. Biblical expressions of God's relationships with people are known as covenants,[1] so the contentious element of supersessionism is the idea that the New Covenant with the Christians and the Christian Church replaces, fulfills or completes the Mosaic Covenant (or Torah) with the Israelites and B'nei Noah.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In it's least bothersome incarnation supersessionism is simply the idea that the New Testament church has fulfilled and is heir to the Old Testament promises... Christianity in general.

But taken to the kind of extremes that the Identity, Covenant, Jahist, KKK, British-Israelism groups take it, it becomes dangerous.

538 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:34:04am

On this day in 1998 Phil Hartman was murdered.
(Probably by a Christian)
/

539 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:35:10am

re: #537 Walter L. Newton

Sorry... formatting got fucked up on that one.

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:35:23am

re: #538 Mad Al-Jaffee

The best SNL player... evah!

541 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:37:25am

Suspected militants Terrorists kill around 80 at minority sect's mosques in eastern Pakistan

LAHORE, Pakistan

LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — Suspected Islamist militants attacked two mosques packed with hundreds of worshippers from a minority sect in eastern Pakistan on Friday, holding hostages and battling police, officials and witnesses said. Some 80 people died, and dozens were wounded in the worst attack ever against the Ahmadi sect.

The assaults in Lahore were carried out by at least seven men, including three suicide bombers, officials said. Two attackers were captured. At one point, a gunman fired bullets from atop a minaret.

It was one of the first times militants have deployed gun and suicide squads and taken hostages in a coordinated attack on a religious minority in Pakistan. Shiite Muslims have borne the brunt of individual suicide bombings and targeted killings for years, though Christians and Ahmadis also have faced violence.

The long-standing threat to minorities in this Muslim-majority, U.S-allied nation has been exacerbated as the Sunni extremist Taliban and al-Qaida movements have spread.

Ahmadis are reviled as heretics by mainstream Muslims for their belief that their sect's founder was a savior foretold by the Quran, Islam's holy book. The group has experienced years of state-sanctioned discrimination and occasional attacks by radical Sunni Muslims in Pakistan, but never before in such a large and coordinated fashion.

Taliban Sunnis = ROPMA

542 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:37:27am

I love it when I try to get a nap and telemarketers call. Frequently.

543 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:37:40am

British-Israelism...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

544 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:37:44am

re: #530 NJDhockeyfan

I don't understand why people watch TV programs they hate, then seethe about it.

Beats me. I don't know why they'd hate Greta more than any other average media type either.

545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:38:34am

re: #544 iceweasel

Beats me. I don't know why they'd hate Greta more than any other average media type either.

Well, I'm just guessing here.

Hate is easier than love.

546 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:39:02am

re: #534 NJDhockeyfan

Was there a connection between Scott Roeder & the Phelps clan?

No. Phelps isn't associated with any else. A better way of saying it is that people and attitudes like Phelps provide the atmosphere that helps lead someone like Roeder to murder.

547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:39:35am

re: #538 Mad Al-Jaffee

On this day in 1998 Phil Hartman was murdered.
(Probably by a Christian CRACKHEAD!)
/

I still blame Andy Dick.

As does Jon Lovitz.

548 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:39:40am

re: #545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I'm just guessing here.

Hate is easier than love.

Can I still hate Illinois Nazis?
/

549 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:39:47am

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

You just don't understand, do you? It's not ignorance. They can give you scripture and verse to prove their point, they can give you a pseudo-history of how the lost tribes of Israel became white Europeans, they can show you in supportive books and manuscripts written by "theologians" over the last 200 years that prove their position.

Many of these people are far from ignorant. But, just like any religious dogma, they can be honestly convinced that they are right and the rest of the world is wrong.

You must lead a sheltered life is you don't understand this. And I don't mean that to be nasty, but maybe you should look into the Covenant and Identity theology, read up on two hundred years of Anglo-Israelism (or also know as British-Israelism).

Spend a few hours on the subject. You will be surprised how many of the mainstream fundamentalist sects sit on the edge of the same thoughts.

I'm not well-versed in Identity and Covenant thought but, I'm aware of it. It just amazes me how they can utterly ignore the words of Christ, the commandment which He said was the one on which all other commandments rested.

As for their "theology", even the Devil can quote scripture.

550 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:40:19am

re: #532 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. They don't really understand Christianity, but they act like they're the only ones who do. To admit a need to listen would be to give up their claim monopoly on truth, and that would eliminate the sealed world of hate and rage in which their followers live.

It must be a nasty, dark and lonely world.

551 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:40:22am

re: #542 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love it when I try to get a nap and telemarketers call. Frequently.

What pisses me off is that politicians can still call me and leave campaign messages on my voicemail. They should exclude anyone on the Do Not Call list. At least they give me an idea of who not to vote for.

552 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:40:32am

re: #540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The best SNL player... evah!

Belushi!

553 Kragar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:40:45am

re: #542 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love it when I try to get a nap and telemarketers call. Frequently.

Been getting 4 to 5 automated election calls a night for the last 2 weeks.

554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:41:01am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

Hi! And you would be wrong!

555 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:41:18am

re: #549 MandyManners

I'm not well-versed in Identity and Covenant thought but, I'm aware of it. It just amazes me how they can utterly ignore the words of Christ, the commandment which He said was the one on which all other commandments rested.

As for their "theology", even the Devil can quote scripture.

Mandy... they DO "love" others... and that is why they feel so compelled to bring their truth to those who will listen... gee, sounds like mainstream religion.

556 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:41:40am

re: #537 Walter L. Newton

Thank you!

557 Kragar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:41:45am

re: #551 Mad Al-Jaffee

What pisses me off is that politicians can still call me and leave campaign messages on my voicemail. They should exclude anyone on the Do Not Call list. At least they give me an idea of who not to vote for.

Right there with you.

558 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:42:10am

Gotta work...see ya!

559 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:42:24am

re: #541 Dark_Falcon

Suspected militants Terrorists kill around 80 at minority sect's mosques in eastern Pakistan


Taliban Sunnis = ROPMA

The toll's up to 80? I wonder how high it will climb.

560 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:42:44am

re: #542 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love it when I try to get a nap and telemarketers call. Frequently.

Turn off your ringer!

561 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:42:46am

re: #550 MandyManners

It must be a nasty, dark and lonely world.

It is. Haters tend to be pretty miserable people.

562 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:43:19am

re: #551 Mad Al-Jaffee

What pisses me off is that politicians can still call me and leave campaign messages on my voicemail. They should exclude anyone on the Do Not Call list. At least they give me an idea of who not to vote for.

They excluded themselves from having to comply with the "Do Not Call" lists.

I get at least one "phone conference town hall" call a day.
I don't even let the message pick it up.
I pick up the phone and click "off" right away.
Hate it.

563 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:43:34am

re: #545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I'm just guessing here.

Hate is easier than love.

Image: LoveHate.jpg

564 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:43:42am

This is creepy on so many different levels....
Beck escalates his attacks on Obama daughters, mocks the "level of their education"
"Why do you hate black people, daddy?"

565 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:43:46am

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

Mandy... they DO "love" others... and that is why they feel so compelled to bring their truth to those who will listen... gee, sounds like mainstream religion.

They don't love others. They love only themselves and those who believe as they do.

566 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:43:48am

re: #512 Lateralis

Christians, animal rights activists and environmentalists. The enemy within.

567 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:43:55am

re: #560 MandyManners

Turn off your ringer!

Can't. Mom had surgery yesterday and will be in the hospital for the next few days. Surgery went well though.

568 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:44:12am

re: #550 MandyManners

It must be a nasty, dark and lonely world.

Here... this is an paper on British-Israelism. You can see how they use the same scriptures that mainstream Christianity uses, yet they can wrench out a totally different meaning from them, and support their supersessionism over non-christians...

[Link: israelkingdom.wordpress.com...]

569 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:44:35am

re: #542 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, you're really not interested in that time-share I've been trying to contact you about?

570 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:44:55am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

This is creepy on so many different levels...
Beck escalates his attacks on Obama daughters, mocks the "level of their education"
"Why do you hate black people, daddy?"

Creepy is an understatement.
The kids should be off limits.

571 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:45:42am

re: #569 Mad Al-Jaffee

So, you're really not interested in that time-share I've been trying to contact you about?

I will be as soon as the money I'm waiting for from a Nigerian.

572 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:45:50am

re: #560 MandyManners

Turn off your ringer!

in bed

573 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:45:57am

re: #565 MandyManners

They don't love others. They love only themselves and those who believe as they do.

Hmmm... you just described a lot of pew sitting Christians.

574 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:46:24am

re: #570 reine.de.tout

Creepy is an understatement.
The kids should be off limits.

He goes on for something like 10 minutes on that.

575 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:47:14am

re: #565 MandyManners

They don't love others. They love only themselves and those who believe as they do.

Here... if you were interested where the white tribes of Israel disappeared too...

[Link: www.british-israel.ca...]

576 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:47:16am

re: #571 Cannadian Club Akbar

I will be as soon as the money I'm waiting for from a Nigerian.

Man, I fucked THAT up. Heh.

577 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:47:38am

re: #541 Dark_Falcon

Suspected militants Terrorists kill around 80 at minority sect's mosques in eastern Pakistan

Taliban Sunnis = ROPMA

Horrible videos on the news. People jumping out of upper-storey windows to escape the shooters.

578 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:48:47am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

This is creepy on so many different levels...
Beck escalates his attacks on Obama daughters, mocks the "level of their education"
"Why do you hate black people, daddy?"


Yes and he just went off on his "leave the families alone" rant over the Palin/McGinnis issue.

This is a very clear view into the dark and ugly soul of this man.

579 Liberal Classic  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:49:37am

re: #547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I still blame Andy Dick.

As does Jon Lovitz.

I want to shake Jon Lovitz's hand.

581 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:49:44am

re: #577 ryannon

Horrible videos on the news. People jumping out of upper-storey windows to escape the shooters.

Happens ever day here in the United States...

"Oh, Christians, every day, people walk into post offices, they walk into schools, that's what Columbine is - I could do this all day long. There are so many more examples of Christians - and I happen to be a Christian. That's back to this notion of your idealizing Christianity in my mind, to my read. There are so many more examples, Ayaan, of Christians who do that than you could ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that inside this country, where you live and work."

582 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:50:04am

re: #561 Dark_Falcon

It is. Haters tend to be pretty miserable people.

Anally retentive, too.

583 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:51:15am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

This is creepy on so many different levels...
Beck escalates his attacks on Obama daughters, mocks the "level of their education"
"Why do you hate black people, daddy?"

re: #564 Killgore Trout

This is creepy on so many different levels...
Beck escalates his attacks on Obama daughters, mocks the "level of their education"
"Why do you hate black people, daddy?"

He needs to back the fuck off.

584 cliffster  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:51:39am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

This is creepy on so many different levels...
Beck escalates his attacks on Obama daughters, mocks the "level of their education"
"Why do you hate black people, daddy?"

Certainly it's hypocritical, the way he goes on about people dragging his children into things.

585 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:51:41am

re: #567 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can't. Mom had surgery yesterday and will be in the hospital for the next few days. Surgery went well though.

Could you arrange to call her at certain times?

586 bratwurst  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:51:41am

re: #542 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love it when I try to get a nap and telemarketers call. Frequently.

The do not call list really does work!

www.donotcall.gov

They won't stop calls from companies you have done business with in the past or charitable fund raising calls, but all unsolicited sales calls stop in a matter of days.

587 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:51:42am

re: #581 Walter L. Newton

Tavis is on the list.

588 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:52:36am

re: #585 MandyManners

Could you arrange to call her at certain times?

I need to keep a line open in case anything bad happens.

589 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:52:57am

re: #568 Walter L. Newton

Here... this is an paper on British-Israelism. You can see how they use the same scriptures that mainstream Christianity uses, yet they can wrench out a totally different meaning from them, and support their supersessionism over non-christians...

[Link: israelkingdom.wordpress.com...]

Thank you for delving into the dark depths for that, Walter.

590 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:52:58am

re: #570 reine.de.tout

Creepy is an understatement.
The kids should be off limits.

I've heard the question by Malia repeated here, like it's a bad thing. I don't get where people are coming from. The press conference was an hour long, and people are focused on that?

591 abolitionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:53:00am

NKorea accuses South of faking warship sinking

"The South Korean puppet regime's faked sinking of the Cheonan has created a very serious situation on the Korean peninsula, pushing it towards the brink of war," Maj. Gen. Pak Rim Su, director of the department of policy at the National Defense Commission, told a news conference in Pyongyang, according to broadcaster APTN.

No words..

592 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:53:18am

Gotta run to the bank. BBIAB.

593 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:53:23am

re: #573 Walter L. Newton

Hmmm... you just described a lot of pew sitting Christians.

They're wrong, too.

594 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:55:27am

re: #581 Walter L. Newton

Happens ever day here in the United States...

"Oh, Christians, every day, people walk into post offices, they walk into schools, that's what Columbine is - I could do this all day long. There are so many more examples of Christians - and I happen to be a Christian. That's back to this notion of your idealizing Christianity in my mind, to my read. There are so many more examples, Ayaan, of Christians who do that than you could ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that inside this country, where you live and work."

Not to mention the Christian passengers in the two World Trade Center Boeings?

595 Kragar  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:55:37am

re: #586 bratwurst

The do not call list really does work!

www.donotcall.gov

They won't stop calls from companies you have done business with in the past or charitable fund raising calls, but all unsolicited sales calls stop in a matter of days.

I want a "I really fucking mean it, dont fucking call me at all" list.

596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:56:47am

re: #592 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gotta run to the bank. BBIAB.

Grab me a little sumpin' sumpin'.

597 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:56:52am

re: #591 abolitionist

NKorea accuses South of faking warship sinking


No words..

I thought the Israelis did it!

598 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:56:57am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

This is creepy on so many different levels...
Beck escalates his attacks on Obama daughters, mocks the "level of their education"
"Why do you hate black people, daddy?"

I couldn't even push play after reading the transcript. Hateful doesn't even begin to cover it. Obama was trying to tell a harmless family story to illustrate the way he feels pressured and Beck uses it to mock his daughters and make him look like a ogre.

[Joe Welch] Have you no decency sir? At long last, have you no decency?! [/Joe Welch]

599 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:57:23am

BBIAB - got to get ready for work... this is going to hurt, Memorial Day weekend at a supermarket, and I'm LOW MAN on the seniority list... so, I get a 8 hour shift today and then Sat. and Sun. overnight 10-6:30 at Self-Scan and stocking isles... that's 24 hours just this weekend, I'm a 20 hour part timer... And I have a graduation to attend tomorrow morning...

My back and arms are gonna be hurting by Monday... oh well, better than being unemployed, and I mean that.

600 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:58:13am

re: #599 Walter L. Newton

BBIAB - got to get ready for work... this is going to hurt, Memorial Day weekend at a supermarket, and I'm LOW MAN on the seniority list... so, I get a 8 hour shift today and then Sat. and Sun. overnight 10-6:30 at Self-Scan and stocking isles... that's 24 hours just this weekend, I'm a 20 hour part timer... And I have a graduation to attend tomorrow morning...

My back and arms are gonna be hurting by Monday... oh well, better than being unemployed, and I mean that.

Shoot, forgot to ask how the party went last night?

601 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:58:53am

re: #575 Walter L. Newton

Here... if you were interested where the white tribes of Israel disappeared too...

[Link: www.british-israel.ca...]

Tidy, little package they've invented.

602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:59:17am

re: #599 Walter L. Newton

Someone posted on my facebook a while ago that they bought gas at Kroger today (using their Kroger Card) for ...

ready?

Wait for it...

$1.91/9!

603 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 28, 2010 9:59:19am

re: #599 Walter L. Newton

Have a good shift and watch out - some Christians might walk into your store!

604 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:00:15am

re: #578 blueraven

Yes and he just went off on his "leave the families alone" rant over the Palin/McGinnis issue.

This is a very clear view into the dark and ugly soul of this man.

Can he not see the hypocrisy?!

605 MandyManners  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:01:08am

re: #588 Cannadian Club Akbar

I need to keep a line open in case anything bad happens.

Bratwrurst's No. 586 is a keeper.

606 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:04:07am

re: #600 Stanley Sea

Shoot, forgot to ask how the party went last night?

I'll be back after cleaning up... catch you in 20, this thread or another.

607 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:04:39am

re: #602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone posted on my facebook a while ago that they bought gas at Kroger today (using their Kroger Card) for ...

ready?

Wait for it...

$1.91/9!

Gas with a Kroger Card, up here in the mountains where it is a few pennies more... 2.53

608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:06:24am

Okay. The oil spill is horrible. It is a tragedy.

That said? I was sure they'd use it as a reason to jack the price of gas up by 2.00.

Yay.

BBL

609 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:12:46am

re: #604 MandyManners

Can he not see the hypocrisy?!

That was my first thought too. I just don't get him at all. It is a real low point to mock an innocent question from an 11 year old child. And he was laughing about it, as if it were just obviously hilarious. He is one sick man.

610 Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:15:11am

re: #602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Earlier this week gas here was $3.71.

611 tradewind  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:23:26am

" I did not have Sestakual relations with that candidate"/...
Because really.... what serious Senate candidate wouldn't jump at the chance to leave the race and take an ' unpaid advisory board ' position?
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

612 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:35:03am

re: #205 albusteve

and in fact CA law is almost identical to AZ law, both very nearly like federal law...this whole scary 'drag 'em off the street and book 'em' scenario is a disgusting insult imo...but here at LGF that attitude prevails...opponents are just looking for trouble and they have to split hairs and diss LE to find it...I call bullshit

I call bullshit myself. My primary concern about the AZ law from the beginning has been FOR law enforcement, something none of the whiny folk crying about how mean everyone is being to Arizona have wanted to acknowledge.

613 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:36:25am

re: #544 iceweasel

Why do they love watching shows of people they hate?

Why do people watch train wrecks or rubberneck around car accidents?

Some people want to be offended. Some get a kick out of it.

But then again, it boils down to this:

Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How can that be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next."
Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."
614 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:42:39am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

To find a reason why they commit murder? Could that be it? Maybe? Huh? Ya think?

Given the enormous hostility that has, on this site, sometimes accompanied the suggestion that motives for terrorism are complicated, or worth exploring, that's kind of ironic.

615 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:44:56am

re: #611 tradewind

" I did not have Sestakual relations with that candidate"/...
Because really... what serious Senate candidate wouldn't jump at the chance to leave the race and take an ' unpaid advisory board ' position?
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

Well that's the point isn't it. Sestak didn't jump at the chance. Boo hoo, another right wing chance to smear this administration shot to hell. Not that they won't keep trying. The best they've got here is that this is politics as usual.

616 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:45:43am

re: #467 Mad Al-Jaffee

Smileys logic reminds me of:

God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

Ray Charles IS God, but what does that have to do with terrorism?

617 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:46:53am

re: #612 SanFranciscoZionist

I call bullshit myself. My primary concern about the AZ law from the beginning has been FOR law enforcement, something none of the whiny folk crying about how mean everyone is being to Arizona have wanted to acknowledge.

From a link posted yesterday, exactly that

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]


Arizona's law will intimidate crime victims and witnesses who are illegal immigrants and divert police from investigating more serious crimes, chiefs from Los Angeles, Houston and Philadelphia said before meeting with Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to discuss the measure. Counterparts from Phoenix, Tucson, San Jose and Montgomery County, among others, joined them.

"This is not a law that increases public safety. This is a bill that makes it much harder for us to do our jobs," Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said. "Crime will go up if this becomes law in Arizona or in any other state

618 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:48:50am

re: #570 reine.de.tout

Creepy is an understatement.
The kids should be off limits.

Yes, and their private conversations should also be off limits for use by the POTUS as political props.

619 RogueOne  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:48:53am

re: #612 SanFranciscoZionist

I call bullshit myself. My primary concern about the AZ law from the beginning has been FOR law enforcement, something none of the whiny folk crying about how mean everyone is being to Arizona have wanted to acknowledge.

I'm against it just out of basic principles. If they could move on getting the border secure then I'm all for amnesty. "If they make it here they get to stay" has almost always been my position.

620 RogueOne  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:50:41am

re: #617 Stanley Sea

Sorry to disagree but when the rest of the nation starts taking lessons from LAPD we're all screwed.

621 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:54:23am

re: #617 Stanley Sea

Don't ALL laws and law enforcement deter criminals from coming forward?

622 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:54:31am

re: #618 Spare O'Lake

Yes, and their private conversations should also be off limits for use by the POTUS as political props.

And you are obsessed.

623 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:57:24am

re: #621 Spare O'Lake

Don't ALL laws and law enforcement deter criminals from coming forward?

Dude, the police are talking about victims of crime who may be illegal. They are not going to come forward because of this.

624 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:59:23am

re: #622 Stanley Sea

And you are obsessed.

Now, now, Stanley, no need to open your largemouth again...it's not my fault that the two issues are interwoven.

625 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 28, 2010 11:03:47am

re: #623 Stanley Sea

Dude, the police are talking about victims of crime who may be illegal. They are not going to come forward because of this.

That's right, Stanley, they are talking about victims who are also illegals i.e. criminals. That was my point.
Sheesh, man, can't you see that ALL victims who are also criminals are ALWAYS deterred by the fact that they are criminals?

626 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 11:04:47am

re: #618 Spare O'Lake

Yes, and their private conversations should also be off limits for use by the POTUS as political props.

Why? There is nothing wrong with the President relaying a personal story occasionally. You didn't address Beck's repulsive spectacle.

627 Fozzie Bear  Fri, May 28, 2010 11:11:11am

re: #619 RogueOne

Agreed re: #618 Spare O'Lake

Yes, and their private conversations should also be off limits for use by the POTUS as political props.

Outrageous outrage! He mentioned his kids? HOW DARE HE?!?!?!?

628 The Left  Fri, May 28, 2010 11:28:25pm

re: #624 Spare O'Lake

Now, now, Stanley, no need to open your largemouth again...it's not my fault that the two issues are interwoven.

What a total fucking asshole you are for that comment.

You got your ass handed to you already for making the hook comment upthread. Stanley Sea made it VERY clear that the comment wasn't appreciated.

And here you are, as ever digging in deeper.

I'd say more but it's a dead thread and all, and I'm sure you'll provide me with a future opportunity to point out that you've said something which is offensive and indefensible.


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