In an interview with the Russian propaganda network “Russia Today” (a whacked out conspiracy show pretending to be legitimate news; RT often features Alex Jones and other conspiracy advocates), Rand Paul says we should forget that pesky 14th Amendment to the Constitution, and take away the citizenship of children born in the US to parents who are illegal immigrants.
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 3:59:27pm |
sins of the farther, or something like that...
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BryanS Fri, May 28, 2010 4:00:11pm |
What exactly is someone who has lived an entire life here supposed to do? Deporting someone to a foreign country who grew up in the US would be cruel.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:00:22pm |
Again, nothing like picking on a defenseless group to give the rubes an easy target when stirring up jingoistic rage. After all, Paul gets to look like he is doing something - even though he is not going to get an amendment repealed - and he looks like he is fighting evil - you know those little brown babies who will make America less white....
I am really sick of this bastard and all the near nazi scum like him.
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dugmartsch Fri, May 28, 2010 4:01:45pm |
I can't stand this woman's diction. Could someone pull a quote?
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Kragar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:01:59pm |
re: #2 BryanS
What exactly is someone who has lived an entire life here supposed to do? Deporting someone to a foreign country who grew up in the US would be cruel.
These are the same people who want to deport all Muslims.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:02:41pm |
I agree...call me whatever you want, spew the hate
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Kragar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:04:09pm |
As long as we're repealing legislation, can we redo the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? That deal hasn't played out.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:04:52pm |
re: #2 BryanS
What exactly is someone who has lived an entire life here supposed to do? Deporting someone to a foreign country who grew up in the US would be cruel.
certainly there will have to be exceptions and there should be...my problem is with instant citizenship....I can get behind some solution that provides for long term illegals...it's fine retroactively
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 4:04:55pm |
re: #2 BryanS
What exactly is someone who has lived an entire life here supposed to do? Deporting someone to a foreign country who grew up in the US would be cruel.
I think that it would only apply to those born in the future... but I could be wrong.
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dugmartsch Fri, May 28, 2010 4:05:01pm |
re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote
Again, nothing like picking on a defenseless group to give the rubes an easy target when stirring up jingoistic rage. After all, Paul gets to look like he is doing something - even though he is not going to get an amendment repealed - and he looks like he is fighting evil - you know those little brown babies who will make America less white...
I am really sick of this bastard and all the near nazi scum like him.
I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's desire to see the equal protection clause revoked. I really wish I could watch this video to see if it's just brazen race-baiting.
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Kragar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:05:22pm |
OK, what the hell, I press post a comment and the page refreshes and I get kicked back to the top of the page.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:05:59pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
OK, what the hell, I press post a comment and the page refreshes and I get kicked back to the top of the page.
because you are being so sassy?....karma?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:06:32pm |
re: #11 dugmartsch
I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's desire to see the equal protection clause revoked. I really wish I could watch this video to see if it's just brazen race-baiting.
Uhh it's right up top... Why can't you see it?
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BryanS Fri, May 28, 2010 4:06:48pm |
re: #9 albusteve
certainly there will have to be exceptions and there should be...my problem is with instant citizenship...I can get behind some solution that provides for long term illegals...it's fine retroactively
re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
These are the same people who want to deport all Muslims.
The one thing I can understand trying to prohibit would be a pregnant illegal immigrant making a mad dash for the border just so their child is born in the US.
But we'd have to have some well thought out plan for those situations which would cause someone to be deported to a country they essentially would be an alien in. The kid in that case was an innocent.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:06:49pm |
Do you think he at least wore pants for that interview?
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Kragar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:06:52pm |
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 4:06:54pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
OK, what the hell, I press post a comment and the page refreshes and I get kicked back to the top of the page.
/did you press 1 to speak English ?
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Renaissance_Man Fri, May 28, 2010 4:07:35pm |
Can you imagine the outrage if a prominent Democrat politician had given an interview to a Russian talk show?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:07:41pm |
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:07:58pm |
It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid people can be.
Rand Paul is a monument to irrelevancy.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:08:04pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:08:17pm |
re: #19 Renaissance_Man
Can you imagine the outrage if a prominent Democrat politician had given an interview to a Russian talk show?
I've actually never heard of this show or organization before. I am very curious what their story is.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:08:37pm |
re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Polk wanted all of Mexico, congress didn't agree.
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:08:45pm |
re: #7 albusteve
I agree...call me whatever you want, spew the hate
I agree. If you can not establish a direct link to someone in this country prior to the founding of the Republic, get the fuck out.
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Gus Fri, May 28, 2010 4:09:02pm |
Ha! I saw this earlier. Russia Today. That's like a cross between Pravda, Infowars, and Fox News with a sprinkle of Indymedia from time to time.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:09:13pm |
re: #16 Cato the Elder
Do you think he at least wore pants for that interview?
yes, with a split crotch for easy access
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 4:09:41pm |
re: #21 researchok
It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid people can be.
Rand Paul is a monument to irrelevancy.
I think/fear that you are wrong... very relevant.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:09:46pm |
Baby Doc, Baby Doc,
Where your brain should have been there's a smelly sock.
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Political Atheist Fri, May 28, 2010 4:10:07pm |
So what happens when this is replayed by the Dem opponent in the general? Not exactly going negative just to play clips...
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Kragar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:10:16pm |
re: #24 windsagio
Polk wanted all of Mexico, congress didn't agree.
Can we return Texas? Who has the receipt?
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:10:21pm |
re: #18 brookly red
/did you press 1 to speak English ?
good one....but your pissin people off, amigo
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:10:24pm |
re: #21 researchok
Rand Paul is a monument to irrelevancy.
Man, I wish. Its more like he's the guy giving the ugly subculture sudden exposure.
Its like when the Furries made CSI.
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Renaissance_Man Fri, May 28, 2010 4:10:35pm |
re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote
I've actually never heard of this show or organization before. I am very curious what their story is.
I've never heard of it either, but I know what reaction the word 'Russia' would provoke.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:10:45pm |
re: #22 windsagio
"Its about demographics"
Yes, he actually said that.
Of course he did. After all, those brown babies would not be real Americans. Or as his mentor Hitler said in his Nuremberg Rally,
"To populate is to control."
We can't have America getting less white now can we?
Why is that people don't see this.
The people who penned the Damned AZ law say it upfront. Paul is saying it upfront. This isn't even a dog whistle. Why is that people don't see this for what it is?
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:11:04pm |
re: #25 Jeff In Ohio
I agree. If you can not establish a direct link to someone in this country prior to the founding of the Republic, get the fuck out.
whoa....steady there
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 4:11:04pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:11:41pm |
re: #34 Renaissance_Man
I've never heard of it either, but I know what reaction the word 'Russia' would provoke.
No no no these are the "good" godless commies.. ;)
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:11:42pm |
re: #28 brookly red
I think/fear that you are wrong... very relevant.
I disagree. He will marginalize an entire class of voters. Given his beliefs, I can't say I'm all that upset.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:11:46pm |
re: #35 LudwigVanQuixote
Rhetorical question I know, but there's an easy answer too:
"Because they don't want to".
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:11:54pm |
re: #21 researchok
It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid people can be.
Rand Paul is a monument to irrelevancy.
then what's he doing here day after day?
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:12:38pm |
re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Can we return Texas? Who has the receipt?
sorry....it was an on sale special....no returns
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:12:43pm |
re: #41 albusteve
In fairness to researchok, I understand his feeling. (If I'm remembering him right, he tends to the right). Would you want this kind of a nightmare being a relevant, influental part of your 'side'?
I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Gus Fri, May 28, 2010 4:13:09pm |
Don't forget folks. The Paul family have been in the United States of America for thousands of years.
/
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:13:10pm |
re: #33 windsagio
Man, I wish. Its more like he's the guy giving the ugly subculture sudden exposure.
Its like when the Furries made CSI.
He will insure a Dem win because lots of people (like me) will not vote for the GOP if they are tied to these morons.
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:13:17pm |
re: #21 researchok
It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid people can be.
Rand Paul is a monument to irrelevancy.
I cannot possibly talk enough about how not worth talking about this guy is
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Vicious Babushka Fri, May 28, 2010 4:13:40pm |
I'm sure he must be talking about all those Canadian women who give birth in the U.S., eh!
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 4:13:48pm |
re: #39 researchok
I disagree. He will marginalize an entire class of voters. Given his beliefs, I can't say I'm all that upset.
that may be true but it dose not make him irrelevant... it makes him very relevant.
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Racer X Fri, May 28, 2010 4:14:02pm |
Are there any other countries that have the "born here, now you're a legal citizen" rule? Or is America the only one?
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:14:28pm |
re: #21 researchok
It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid people can be.
Rand Paul is a monument to irrelevancy.
Don't be so sure. There's an election, remember?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, May 28, 2010 4:14:37pm |
The "Anchor Baby" issue needs to be dealt with.
The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted after the Civil War as one of the Reconstruction Amendments on July 9, 1868.
The Fourteenth Amendment provides a broad definition of citizenship, overruling the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which held that slaves and their descendants were not citizens of the United States and were not entitled to Constitutional rights.
Wiki-fu
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thatthatisis Fri, May 28, 2010 4:14:57pm |
So, Rand Paul wants to re-write the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. And he's a strict constructionist.
The 14th Amendment has only been around since 1868, so I guess it doesn't count for Rand Paul and those strict constructionists.
Or maybe it's because their philosophies date from 1861?
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:15:10pm |
re: #50 Racer X
Are there any other countries that have the "born here, now you're a legal citizen" rule? Or is America the only one?
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:15:28pm |
re: #43 windsagio
In fairness to researchok, I understand his feeling. (If I'm remembering him right, he tends to the right). Would you want this kind of a nightmare being a relevant, influental part of your 'side'?
I sure as hell wouldn't.
I don't have any sides....RP is here because Charles deems him important enough to continue to post...I do not disagree with Charles
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:15:41pm |
re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The "Anchor Baby" issue needs to be dealt with.
Wiki-fu
Exactly. The amendment solves a specific problem, and people are taking advantage of it.
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Summer Seale Fri, May 28, 2010 4:15:48pm |
Next on the news: Rand Paul submits bills to Congress to round up all the Jewish and Irish immigrants! "Go back home, now!" screamed throngs of people who shook their fists in the air to riotous applause in the Senate Gallery.
"We will not cede this nation to immigrants of any creed or color, nor shall we take their tired and hungry anymore!" shouted Senator Paul. Sen. Paul Sr., standing by his son's side, couldn't help but comment that he felt vindicated after years of toiling for the whites-only agenda. "Isn't he a great son? People said he's controversial, but look at him now! This is what mainstream America is all about! God bless the Constitution, and curse all we rip from it."
In other news: The Statue of Liberty has been cited for demolition by Congress before the end of the year. Thongs of immigrants, which normally might be upset over the end of their tourist trinket trade all over Manhattan, were fortunately not heard from as they were being rounded up and shipped off to foreign lands to purify America.
Coming up: Are you a pure blooded American? Find out with a new free color swatch card courtesy of the United States Government! We'll show you how to get yours right away!
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:16:03pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:16:23pm |
re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Can we return Texas? Who has the receipt?
Two videos for you. THis one for the good folks at BP
And this one about Texas secession:
HOUSTON WE HAVE A SOLUTON
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:16:23pm |
re: #2 BryanS
What exactly is someone who has lived an entire life here supposed to do? Deporting someone to a foreign country who grew up in the US would be cruel.
Ya think?
Happens all the time to kids who were not born here but grew up here from the time they were, say, six months old.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:16:31pm |
Don't like the 14th Amendment? Repeal it.
Can't do that? Then shut up, it ain't going anywhere.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:16:33pm |
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:17:33pm |
re: #51 Cato the Elder
Don't be so sure. There's an election, remember?
There's a whole middle that will not vote for this guy.
They were the voters that gave on on the Dems because they embraced Hollywood. They are the same voters who will give up the GOP because they will have embraced Rand Paul.
Middle America is moral- they will not give up the CRA because some preacher tells them to.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:17:43pm |
re: #60 Cato the Elder
I feel bad for those kinds, really. Its totally not their fault, but they're SCREWED.
But you know how it is, 'fuck kids, hating mexicans is more important!'
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:17:54pm |
So RndPaul() doesn't want to repeal the Civil Rights bill of 1964, he just wants to put the Dred Scott decision back into law. Well, that's going to go over well.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:18:13pm |
re: #63 researchok
They were the voters that gave on on the Dems because they embraced Hollywood.
err, yow.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:18:38pm |
re: #65 darthstar
He realized that unless he changes the constitution, the rest of it is a waste of time >>
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:18:40pm |
re: #36 albusteve
whoa...steady there
I know...what to do...what to do. Constitutional Convention to edit the 14th Amendment and while we're at it the 1st and any of the other ones that make running a Republic messy?
Or just ship the fuckers out with no due process...
It is a dilemma!
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:18:57pm |
re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The "Anchor Baby" issue needs to be dealt with.
Wiki-fu
Stop calling them 'anchor babies' for starters.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:18:58pm |
re: #65 darthstar
PS: I think your nickname for him is the best one :D
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:19:17pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, May 28, 2010 4:19:28pm |
I won't win anybody over, this I am sure.
It is an issue that must be dealt with.
I certainly do not know how, but I know it must be dealt with.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:19:48pm |
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:19:50pm |
re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The "Anchor Baby" issue needs to be dealt with.
Why?
Are there millions, thousands, or hundreds of them? Do you even know or care?
Or is it just another dogwhistle non-issue for the rednecks to latch onto?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:19:55pm |
Ahhh once Texas sets up its Libertarian paradise, with education based on Texas BOE, an economy based on bartering guns and large belt buckles, I could get behind building a large fence.
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:20:04pm |
re: #70 windsagio
PS: I think your nickname for him is the best one :D
I'm hoping it takes off. He's like a random function on so many issues you never know what he's going to say.
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:20:15pm |
re: #56 cliffster
Exactly. The amendment solves a specific problem, and people are taking advantage of it.
Yes, they take advantage of that free press and speech thing to. What are we going to do? Just let them?
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:20:32pm |
re: #76 darthstar
He's like a random function with a bad seed >>
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:20:42pm |
re: #73 windsagio
Read the Jus Soli article, I linked it above.
It'll be an eyeopener.
Ok I will later. Thanks
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:21:01pm |
re: #69 darthstar
Stop calling them 'anchor babies' for starters.
why?...what are they then?...it's no secret
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, May 28, 2010 4:21:36pm |
re: #69 darthstar
Why? It is a perfectly descriptive term.
Not PC? Okay, but, "14th Amendment Taker Advantage Of'ers" is a bit clumsy.
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:21:49pm |
re: #77 Jeff In Ohio
Yes, they take advantage of that free press and speech thing to. What are we going to do? Just let them?
sarcasm is a crutch for lack of knowledge/comprehension
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:21:52pm |
re: #69 darthstar
Stop calling them 'anchor babies' for starters.
Do you have a better way to dehumanize American Citizens then compare them to dead weight?
Hey man, I'm just asking questions here.
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Racer X Fri, May 28, 2010 4:22:01pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, May 28, 2010 4:22:08pm |
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:22:10pm |
re: #43 windsagio
In fairness to researchok, I understand his feeling. (If I'm remembering him right, he tends to the right). Would you want this kind of a nightmare being a relevant, influental part of your 'side'?
I sure as hell wouldn't.
I really do believe he will help author the implosion of a GOP that embraces lunatics.
Rand Paul is the Cindy Sheehan of the right. The GOP will dump Rand Paul in the same way the Dems and progs dumped her- remember her run for Congress after she met with the Castro brothers?
Paul has to go nuts before he's declared a martyr. When the smoke clears he'll be an ever bigger nobody.
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:22:20pm |
re: #80 albusteve
why?...what are they then?...it's no secret
They're American Citizens...just like you and I. If you don't like it, move to a country that doesn't consider people of different religious or ethnic backgrounds to be citizens...
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:22:52pm |
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:22:56pm |
re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why? It is a perfectly descriptive term.
Not PC? Okay, but, "14th Amendment Taker Advantage Of'ers" is a bit clumsy.
It's not that it's not PC, it's just dishonest.
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:23:06pm |
re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay. I'm a redneck.
Thanks.
I'm a redneck... is that supposedly some kind of insult?
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:23:29pm |
re: #81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do you believe there's a widespread phenomena where people are having babies just for this reason?
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 4:23:40pm |
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:23:45pm |
re: #87 darthstar
They're American Citizens...just like you and I. If you don't like it, move to a country that doesn't consider people of different religious or ethnic backgrounds to be citizens...
anchor baby American Citizens....I like it
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:24:03pm |
re: #83 Jeff In Ohio
Do you have a better way to dehumanize American Citizens then compare them to dead weight?
Hey man, I'm just asking questions here.
Sure...Call them WalMart shoppers.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:24:20pm |
re: #90 cliffster
Its an interesting lingual case, where a class has taken ownership of an insult.
Ironically, its alot like n----.
I love the psychology behind it too >>
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:24:26pm |
re: #82 cliffster
sarcasm is a crutch for lack of knowledge/comprehension
Yes, thank you, I'm stupid.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:24:28pm |
re: #63 researchok
There's a whole middle that will not vote for this guy.
They were the voters that gave on on the Dems because they embraced Hollywood. They are the same voters who will give up the GOP because they will have embraced Rand Paul.
Middle America is moral- they will not give up the CRA because some preacher tells them to.
WTF is with the Hollywood meme? Every "moral" Middle American I know (most of them huge around the middle, like me) sucks at the tits of Big Entertainment.
I think your finger misses the pulse by a mile. "Moral Middle America" will titillate itself with "Dexter" and "Sex and the City" while voting the next day for jingoist racism and dead brown babies.
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 4:24:37pm |
re: #91 windsagio
Do you believe there's a widespread phenomena where people are having babies just for this reason?
/well I question the timing...
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:24:52pm |
re: #94 darthstar
Sure...Call them WalMart shoppers.
can't...already taken by the RV folks....try again
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:25:01pm |
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:25:06pm |
re: #87 darthstar
They're American Citizens...just like you and I. If you don't like it, move to a country that doesn't consider people of different religious or ethnic backgrounds to be citizens...
Or, change the rules. What did you say to people who said, "not covered by health care? Move to a socialist country" back in December?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, May 28, 2010 4:25:07pm |
And with all of that the sunset comes. I wish all of you the very best weekend and holiday. Be well all :)
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:25:16pm |
re: #97 Cato the Elder
They love it while claiming to hate it. Its totally the American way!
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Four More Tears Fri, May 28, 2010 4:25:26pm |
re: #97 Cato the Elder
And what's your problem with Dexter?
To think I actually liked you for a minute there...
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:25:41pm |
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:26:01pm |
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:26:06pm |
re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I won't win anybody over, this I am sure.
It is an issue that must be dealt with.
I certainly do not know how, but I know it must be dealt with.
Numbers, please. How many "anchor babies" are there per year? Any clue?
Didn't think so. It's a red herring and a stand-in for "get rid of the brown people" and you know it.
You are the one who must be dealt with.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:26:21pm |
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:26:49pm |
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:26:50pm |
re: #107 Cato the Elder
Comin' on a little strong again, cato >>
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:27:20pm |
re: #89 darthstar
It's not that it's not PC, it's just dishonest.
how? the phenomenon = noncitizen parents who give birth on US soil.
got a catchier moniker? serve it up or don't worry about it. it's a description of fact, not intent. don't get yer panties in a twist, sweetheart;)
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:27:57pm |
re: #107 Cato the Elder
Numbers, please. How many "anchor babies" are there per year? Any clue?
Didn't think so. It's a red herring and a stand-in for "get rid of the brown people" and you know it.
You are the one who must be dealt with.
get a grip Cato....that's just foolish...getting 'rid' of people is not the issue here, not mine anyway....quit being an ass
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:27:57pm |
re: #91 windsagio
Do you believe there's a widespread phenomena where people are having babies just for this reason?
you conflate fact and intent at your own risk, mon ami;)
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:28:06pm |
re: #109 researchok
The problem I have with your statement, is that its not how 'the Democrats embraced hollywood', but rather how 'the slick PR people in the GOP associated the Dems with Hollywood'.
All smoke and mirrors friend.
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:28:07pm |
re: #90 cliffster
I'm a redneck... is that supposedly some kind of insult?
I'm a total fucking redneck...and a liberal...okay, a progressive liberal...and a hippie.
I can skin a buck, and run a trot line (and ran trot lines throughout my youth...best way to get catfish).
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Linden Arden Fri, May 28, 2010 4:29:04pm |
The 14th also established rights contained in the Bill of Rights supreme over "states rights".
The 10thers like Rand Paul hate this Federal power extension that pushed local law into the background.
With the 14th the Bill of Rights truly extended to all Americans.
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:29:10pm |
re: #97 Cato the Elder
WTF is with the Hollywood meme? Every "moral" Middle American I know (most of them huge around the middle, like me) sucks at the tits of Big Entertainment.
I think your finger misses the pulse by a mile. "Moral Middle America" will titillate itself with "Dexter" and "Sex and the City" while voting the next day for jingoist racism and dead brown babies.
I think middle America likes the show. They just won't vote to bring that into their homes.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:29:32pm |
re: #107 Cato the Elder
Numbers, please. How many "anchor babies" are there per year? Any clue?
Didn't think so. It's a red herring and a stand-in for "get rid of the brown people" and you know it.
You are the one who must be dealt with.
yes!! who has the pitchforks??
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:29:32pm |
re: #113 Aceofwhat?
I think if it ever happens intentionally its not nearly worthy of the outrage it engenders. Its a classic populist ploy tho', 'take a small, or even hypothetical issue and make it HUUUGE! Get the masses riled!'
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:30:38pm |
re: #112 albusteve
get a grip Cato...that's just foolish...getting 'rid' of people is not the issue here, not mine anyway...quit being an ass
The asses here are the people who toss out code-words like "anchor baby" and make categorical statements that this "problem" must be "dealt with".
No numbers, no facts, just a bald statement. I call such muck by name - racism, alarmism and pure assholery.
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:04pm |
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:08pm |
re: #121 Cato the Elder
By all means, but 'you must be dealt with' is a bit harsh >>
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:11pm |
re: #114 windsagio
The problem I have with your statement, is that its not how 'the Democrats embraced hollywood', but rather how 'the slick PR people in the GOP associated the Dems with Hollywood'.
All smoke and mirrors friend.
Then why did the Dems lose in 2004? Like Zuckerman says, the Dems should have ran away with the election.
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:20pm |
re: #116 Linden Arden
The 14th also established rights contained in the Bill of Rights supreme over "states rights".
The 10thers like Rand Paul hate this Federal power extension that pushed local law into the background.
With the 14th the Bill of Rights truly extended to all Americans.
Maybe, but there's really no need. The 10th itself already states that the bill of rights rules supreme.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:40pm |
The term previous term I used appears to be dogwhistle for the left to mean racist. So I'll use "14th Amendment Taker Advantage Of'ers"
I looked around on the weaves... I'm seeing numbers from 50K to 500K... I just don't know what to believe.
A legal alien can have a baby here and I welcome the child with open arms.
I'll leave it at that.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:48pm |
re: #124 researchok
A war, and really excellent PR strategy/operatives.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:52pm |
re: #120 windsagio
I think if it ever happens intentionally its not nearly worthy of the outrage it engenders. Its a classic populist ploy tho', 'take a small, or even hypothetical issue and make it HUUUGE! Get the masses riled!'
the term isn't derogatory, though, for most of us who don't have a problem with the law. it is what it is.
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~Fianna Fri, May 28, 2010 4:32:12pm |
re: #80 albusteve
why?...what are they then?...it's no secret
They're children. People. Small people who didn't have a choice in this issue at all.
Stop using funny terms to describe people.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:32:37pm |
re: #129 Aceofwhat?
You'll have to deal with the fact that alot of us don't like it then.
It still dehumanizes the child, and I"m not okay with that.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:32:51pm |
re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The term previous term I used appears to be dogwhistle for the left to mean racist. So I'll use "14th Amendment Taker Advantage Of'ers"
I looked around on the weaves... I'm seeing numbers from 50K to 500K... I just don't know what to believe.
A legal alien can have a baby here and I welcome the child with open arms.
I'll leave it at that.
I don't think I give a fuck which babies you welcome and which you don't, or why.
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brookly red Fri, May 28, 2010 4:32:55pm |
re: #130 ~Fianna
They're children. People. Small people who didn't have a choice in this issue at all.
Stop using funny terms to describe people.
/soccer moms?
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:33:18pm |
re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
At risk of outing myself, I dated a girl in my teenage years that would have qualified for that moniker. She was good looking, I'd approve putting her on the fast track...
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:33:24pm |
re: #121 Cato the Elder
The asses here are the people who toss out code-words like "anchor baby" and make categorical statements that this "problem" must be "dealt with".
No numbers, no facts, just a bald statement. I call such muck by name - racism, alarmism and pure assholery.
bah. boogeymen lurk in some shadows, but not all. we will need to address families where the children are citizens and the parents are not.
how should we address the problem? ask FBV, rather than sputtering at shadows...
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 4:33:34pm |
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~Fianna Fri, May 28, 2010 4:33:38pm |
re: #102 LudwigVanQuixote
And with all of that the sunset comes. I wish all of you the very best weekend and holiday. Be well all :)
Shabbat shalom, LVQ.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:33:41pm |
re: #121 Cato the Elder
The asses here are the people who toss out code-words like "anchor baby" and make categorical statements that this "problem" must be "dealt with".
No numbers, no facts, just a bald statement. I call such muck by name - racism, alarmism and pure assholery.
okay, I don't have any numbers...my point of view is based on a simple principle, and just because I feel that way does not make me a bigot, racist, Nazi or anything else....keep spewing that bullshit meme and it will be you that has shit all over your face....YOU are being kneejerk unreasonable with your anger and hatred
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:33:44pm |
re: #134 brookly red
I hate that term with a passion. People actually self-describe with that one tho' >>
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 4:33:52pm |
re: #2 BryanS
What exactly is someone who has lived an entire life here supposed to do? Deporting someone to a foreign country who grew up in the US would be cruel.
They do it France.
Which is no excuse.
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Cap'n Magic Fri, May 28, 2010 4:33:56pm |
Mark Foley (remember him?) introduced legislation to address Rand's complaint back in 2003-and it went nowhere.
Wonder why?
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:34:16pm |
re: #137 Aceofwhat?
bah. boogeymen lurk in some shadows, but not all. we will need to address families where the children are citizens and the parents are not.
how should we address the problem? ask FBV, rather than sputtering at shadows...
"Address" is another fine euphemism.
You disappoint me.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:34:29pm |
re: #131 windsagio
You'll have to deal with the fact that alot of us don't like it then.
It still dehumanizes the child, and I"m not okay with that.
meh. don't water down "dehumanize". i'm not dehumanizing anyone.
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dugmartsch Fri, May 28, 2010 4:34:42pm |
re: #56 cliffster
Exactly. The amendment solves a specific problem, and people are taking advantage of it.
Lots of people take advantage of lots of flaws in our system. I don't understand why these poor, suffering people taking advantage of this profound opportunity to become an american citizen rankles people so much.
Can you really blame them for pursuing something so passionately that so many americans take for granted? Excepting enforcement costs, are illegal immigrants even a net cost to the system?
And I remember when I was on the debate team in high school back in the late 90s and we debated immigration reform, we referred to the immigrants as "illegal aliens". Don't hear much of that terminology anymore.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, May 28, 2010 4:34:57pm |
re: #137 Aceofwhat?
I didn't see him sputtering. He addressed me directly. I knew precisely who he was talking to.
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Linden Arden Fri, May 28, 2010 4:35:03pm |
re: #124 researchok
Then why did the Dems lose in 2004? Like Zuckerman says, the Dems should have ran away with the election.
As a liberal I am happy Kerry lost in 2004 by the margin of Ohio.
Had Kerry won in 2004 the budding financial upheaval would been laid at the feet of Democrats. We would have a drastically different government now - perhaps with a zealot like Palin in power.
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 4:35:05pm |
re: #143 ryannon
They do it France.
Which is no excuse.
What are the estimates of illegal (whatevers) in France?
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:35:22pm |
re: #140 albusteve
again, 'methinks you doth protest too much'.
I don't think I've seen anyone ever describe you personally as racist, but whenever we start talking about racism (specifically anti-mexican racism, or racism in the SW) you personalize it and get all defensive.
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Ojoe Fri, May 28, 2010 4:35:28pm |
If you exclude the child born here of illegal immigrants, are you not creating a de facto hereditary nobility of those whose parents were born here?
In the sense of creating a group which gets unmerited privileges by accident of birth? (Compared to those born here but excluded?)
The Constitution forbids titles of nobility.
It is no good to have a two tier citizenry, our country was founded to get rid of that, among other things.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:35:31pm |
re: #130 ~Fianna
They're children. People. Small people who didn't have a choice in this issue at all.
Stop using funny terms to describe people.
what do you call them with regard to this post Charles put up?....I'll be happy to consider another term if people are offended
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:36:02pm |
re: #130 ~Fianna
They're children. People. Small people who didn't have a choice in this issue at all.
Stop using funny terms to describe people.
oy. offer a similarly pithy moniker or grab a brown paper bag and a fainting couch.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:36:05pm |
re: #140 albusteve
okay, I don't have any numbers...my point of view is based on a simple principle, and just because I feel that way does not make me a bigot, racist, Nazi or anything else...keep spewing that bullshit meme and it will be you that has shit all over your face...YOU are being kneejerk unreasonable with your anger and hatred
Yep. I hate people who use children to further their political ends. Like Sarah Palin. And like the people who screech about "anchor babies".
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:36:12pm |
re: #128 windsagio
A war, and really excellent PR strategy/operatives.
I disagree. There was a lot of real and substantive criticism of Bush- and after the 2000 debacle, the UN dog and pony show, Iraq screw ups, ad nauseum, the election was the Dems to lose.
And they did.
They should have won. The numbers bear Zuckerman out. The Dems lost the middle. They won the major centers.
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 4:36:19pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:36:21pm |
re: #149 Linden Arden
As a liberal I am happy Kerry lost in 2004 by the margin of Ohio.
Had Kerry won in 2004 the budding financial upheaval would been laid at the feet of Democrats. We would have a drastically different government now - perhaps with a zealot like Palin in power.
Er, that's a crappy way to think about it....
:shrugs:
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:36:36pm |
re: #146 Aceofwhat?
You're largely along for the ride tho', rather than really up in arms about this.
And seriously, I think I'm giving the term its proper weight.
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 28, 2010 4:36:37pm |
The Paulians and (modern) Republicans love Russia Today. It's an old soviet government propaganda outlet that spews conspiracies about how America is doomed. Ron Paul and nutty economists are on all the time.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:36:41pm |
re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I didn't see him sputtering. He addressed me directly. I knew precisely who he was talking to.
i meant more the substitution of emotion for logic...
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:37:10pm |
re: #151 windsagio
again, 'methinks you doth protest too much'.
I don't think I've seen anyone ever describe you personally as racist, but whenever we start talking about racism (specifically anti-mexican racism, or racism in the SW) you personalize it and get all defensive.
fuck off...it's between me and Cato the Stupid
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~Fianna Fri, May 28, 2010 4:37:20pm |
re: #134 brookly red
/soccer moms?
By funny terms I was meaning the ones that aren't nice to say in company and are designed solely to create an aura of "other" or "less than".
Things like soccer mom are not designed to be hurtful or to minimize. They're demographic shorthand.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:37:27pm |
re: #156 researchok
And I don't, so we're probably at an impasse >>
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 4:37:37pm |
re: #150 Bagua
What are the estimates of illegal (whatevers) in France?
Good question. No one really knows for sure, but I'll try to find a ballpark number...
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, May 28, 2010 4:37:45pm |
Hi Lizards! What a great day at the Indy Track today...Spent the day at the HP suite..All geeks all the time..Great time.. But I'm going to tell you something Straight up....Walking around the track at 3pm waiting for the ZZtop Concert...The sky freaking opened up in thunder....Shockingly you stopped in your step..It was that loud and moving at the Baddest Racetrack in the world...
The Air Force sent 4 FA/15 hornets on a fly by low over the track...out of the blue..I almost peed my pants...And then.. Like your worst terrorist nightmare..They turned around and came back..Fucking A!
Those jets really took your breathe away flying so low and fast...
Can you imagine peeking out your cave as a bad guy? This is America flying over you...We shred the skies and you pee you pants!
It took 2 freaking hours to get to the track today...I'm 20 minutes away..
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Racer X Fri, May 28, 2010 4:37:47pm |
It seems to me there are basically two camps when it comes to the illegal immigration issue.
1. Enforce the current laws. Dammit.
2. Take the current laws and modify them.
Then there's the "throw open the borders and let everyone enjoy all that America has to offer" group. Those in this camp may not be seeing the big picture.
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 4:38:04pm |
re: #165 ryannon
Good question. No one really knows for sure, but I'll try to find a ballpark number...
Thanks.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:38:26pm |
re: #162 albusteve
Now now, I payed my ultra-double-secret posting dues just like everybody else >>
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:38:37pm |
re: #145 Cato the Elder
"Address" is another fine euphemism.
You disappoint me.
fine. let's leave the poor parents in limbo as illegal immigrants, their status unresolved, their lives more difficult, because you want to parse verbs.
this is what the high ground looks like. you're welcome to climb up and hang out with me.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:38:52pm |
re: #163 ~Fianna
By funny terms I was meaning the ones that aren't nice to say in company and are designed solely to create an aura of "other" or "less than".
Things like soccer mom are not designed to be hurtful or to minimize. They're demographic shorthand.
right. just like this one.
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Lidane Fri, May 28, 2010 4:38:54pm |
re: #80 albusteve
why?...what are they then?...it's no secret
They're human beings, and innocent children who deserve more dignity than that. Calling them anchor babies dehumanizes them solely because of the circumstances of their birth, and it's offensive. A child shouldn't be tarred like that because of something entirely out of their control.
BTW, if we really want to get technical, everyone in this country who isn't Native American is descended from an anchor baby.
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:39:09pm |
re: #164 windsagio
And I don't, so we're probably at an impasse >>
Not a bad thing...food for thought all the way around.
Also, I do hope Paul ends up living next door to Cindy Sheehan. A match made in heave./
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dugmartsch Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:03pm |
re: #152 Ojoe
If you exclude the child born here of illegal immigrants, are you not creating a de facto hereditary nobility of those whose parents were born here?
In the sense of creating a group which gets unmerited privileges by accident of birth? (Compared to those born here but excluded?)
The Constitution forbids titles of nobility.
It is no good to have a two tier citizenry, our country was founded to get rid of that, among other things.
I think in the next century there's going to be a lot of demand for hard working young people. With a shrinking, aging population, immigrants are going to have a lot more clout then they do right now. People calling for tighter borders and deportations are going to be sorry when they get their social security benefits cut because there aren't enough people in the workforce.
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~Fianna Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:16pm |
re: #154 Aceofwhat?
oy. offer a similarly pithy moniker or grab a brown paper bag and a fainting couch.
Why do we need to dumb down the debate with "pithy monikers"?
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:16pm |
re: #172 Lidane
They're human beings, and innocent children who deserve more dignity than that. Calling them anchor babies dehumanizes them solely because of the circumstances of their birth, and it's offensive. A child shouldn't be tarred like that because of something entirely out of their control.
BTW, if we really want to get technical, everyone in this country who isn't Native American is descended from an anchor baby.
I'm partially descended from Native Americans...
GET OUT, ALL OF YOU!1!!!
:)
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:30pm |
re: #159 windsagio
You're largely along for the ride tho', rather than really up in arms about this.
And seriously, I think I'm giving the term its proper weight.
no, i disagree, because the demographic situation is real, and you don't have several other equally pithy but miraculously less offensive terms to offer as substitutes.
have a paper bag!
;)
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:34pm |
re: #172 Lidane
They're human beings, and innocent children who deserve more dignity than that. Calling them anchor babies dehumanizes them solely because of the circumstances of their birth, and it's offensive. A child shouldn't be tarred like that because of something entirely out of their control.
BTW, if we really want to get technical, everyone in this country who isn't Native American is descended from an anchor baby.
Like I said earlier, I had a girlfriend who would be considered an "anchor baby". She's cool, I'm glad she's here. But there's no doubt that there's a certain gaming of the system going on.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:46pm |
re: #155 Cato the Elder
Yep. I hate people who use children to further their political ends. Like Sarah Palin. And like the people who screech about "anchor babies".
I'm not screeching about anchor babies, brown people, Mexicans or anybody else...I gave my honest opinion without any hyperbole or inflammatory rhetoric....it's you who are screeching in response...I haven't called anybody ant vile names...you are
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:51pm |
Time to finish making dinner. At the moment, none of you are as attractive as the BBQ grill.
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 4:40:55pm |
re: #117 researchok
I think middle America likes the show. They just won't vote to bring that into their homes.
Zuckerman does not have his finger on the pulse of Middle America.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:41:49pm |
re: #179 Aceofwhat?
You're ridin' 'pithy' hard >>
To be honest I don't think its important enough an issue to deserve any kind of fancy name. Describe it technically the times it actually comes up.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:42:06pm |
re: #172 Lidane
They're human beings, and innocent children who deserve more dignity than that. Calling them anchor babies dehumanizes them solely because of the circumstances of their birth, and it's offensive. A child shouldn't be tarred like that because of something entirely out of their control.
BTW, if we really want to get technical, everyone in this country who isn't Native American is descended from an anchor baby.
it's a demographic term.
and i'm fine with your last sentence...miraculously, i don't feel dehumanized when someone applies a demographically accurate term to me...nope, still feel human!
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:42:37pm |
re: #180 cliffster
(breaking my own rules, but..)
Hey cliff, why did you think a 'fuck off' to one poster, and calling another poster "Stupid" was worthy of an upding?
Enquiring minds wanna know!
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:43:01pm |
re: #186 Aceofwhat?
Its a political term, not a demographic one.
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 4:43:32pm |
re: #166 HoosierHoops
I hope you get to meet the Swiss gal who is racing:[Link: sports.gunaxin.com...]
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:43:35pm |
re: #177 ~Fianna
Why do we need to dumb down the debate with "pithy monikers"?
because, as FBV pointed out earlier, there are citizens here by dint of their birthplace whose parents are not legal immigrants.
and because i don't need to type that entire sentence every time i wish to refer to them in order to satisfy the fairy unicorn dehumanization PC police...
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:43:57pm |
re: #187 windsagio
(breaking my own rules, but..)
Hey cliff, why did you think a 'fuck off' to one poster, and calling another poster "Stupid" was worthy of an upding?Enquiring minds wanna know!
don't be a dork....Cato has been kicking my ass for years, you are a noob
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Lidane Fri, May 28, 2010 4:44:10pm |
re: #180 cliffster
But there's no doubt that there's a certain gaming of the system going on.
Everyone games the system, whether it's taking a tax loophole or deduction you technically shouldn't, or skirting the law in some other way. Hell, many Americans do it in reverse, going to Mexico or Canada for more affordable health care and prescription drugs.
If we're going to start focusing on stopping people from gaming the system, there are much bigger issues to look at than a few children born to illegal immigrants.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:44:15pm |
re: #188 windsagio
Its a political term, not a demographic one.
if that is true, offer the demographic term so that i may use it instead...or yield;)
(i feel like i should add some medieval slur after "yield"...like "cur" or something...you know;)
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:44:32pm |
re: #190 Aceofwhat?
Do you really think its such a significant issue that we really need to spend alot of time talking about them?
If so, that might be where the divide lies.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 4:44:43pm |
re: #181 albusteve
I'm not screeching about anchor babies, brown people, Mexicans or anybody else...I gave my honest opinion without any hyperbole or inflammatory rhetoric...it's you who are screeching in response...I haven't called anybody ant vile names...you are
Steve, you're being a twit. The conversation was between me and FBV. You're just trolling me tonight.
And what "vile names" did I call him? Racist? Well, "anchor baby" is essentially a racist term. I don't think anyone pictures tall blonde mothers from northern France when they use the phrase.
But go on and call me stupid again, you seem to need a vent this evening.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:44:44pm |
re: #185 windsagio
You're ridin' 'pithy' hard >>
To be honest I don't think its important enough an issue to deserve any kind of fancy name. Describe it technically the times it actually comes up.
is that anything like ridin' dirty?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:45:45pm |
re: #194 windsagio
Do you really think its such a significant issue that we really need to spend alot of time talking about them?
If so, that might be where the divide lies.
i think that the demographic is numerous enough that i don't need to type an entire sentence to substitute for a demographic term because a few people clutch at their faux pearls in misplaced outrage.
how's that;)
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:46:25pm |
re: #183 researchok
Time to finish making dinner. At the moment, none of you are as attractive as the BBQ grill.
i could take my shirt off...
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cliffster Fri, May 28, 2010 4:46:30pm |
re: #187 windsagio
(breaking my own rules, but..)
Hey cliff, why did you think a 'fuck off' to one poster, and calling another poster "Stupid" was worthy of an upding?Enquiring minds wanna know!
You talking about Cato the Stupid? Because it was funny. Cato's a grown man, tough and calloused. Steve's loving moniker doesn't hurt him.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 28, 2010 4:46:39pm |
re: #26 Gus 802
Ha! I saw this earlier. Russia Today. That's like a cross between Pravda, Infowars, and Fox News with a sprinkle of Indymedia from time to time.
Sounds about right. Sorry I left, my PC needed a reboot.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:47:00pm |
re: #198 Aceofwhat?
Full of crap, but well said. :D
(no seriously, I get what you're saying. I just find that term really annoying.)
/this convo is going much better than the other one, looks like I came a little too close to stepping on the tribe :p
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 4:47:50pm |
re: #165 ryannon
Good question. No one really knows for sure, but I'll try to find a ballpark number...
Using Google in French, all I could find was an approximate 500,000 in 2008, for a French population of about 65 million. There may be more or there may be less - by definition, an illegal immigrant is someone who more or less stays under the radar here. I'll keep looking and see what I can find.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:48:08pm |
re: #203 windsagio
Full of crap, but well said. :D
(no seriously, I get what you're saying. I just find that term really annoying.)
/this convo is going much better than the other one, looks like I came a little too close to stepping on the tribe :p
nah. the tribe is split across different lines here...this one is sorta fun.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:48:34pm |
re: #207 Aceofwhat?
No, I Mean... Actually nevermind, if I get onto that subject it'll ruin a whole evening of posting >>
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dugmartsch Fri, May 28, 2010 4:48:35pm |
re: #206 Varek Raith
Guess not.
No. Personal info is verboten. Even if you wanted to send him some shrimp.
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Lidane Fri, May 28, 2010 4:49:01pm |
re: #186 Aceofwhat?
it's a demographic term.
No, it's a dehumanizing one. Calling a child an "anchor baby" implies that they only exist at all for one reason at all, and because of something they had zero control over. That's not fair to those kids, IMO.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:49:03pm |
re: #208 windsagio
No, I Mean... Actually nevermind, if I get onto that subject it'll ruin a whole evening of posting >>
no sweat...save it for a slow thread, i promise to be cool;)
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gamark Fri, May 28, 2010 4:49:28pm |
re: #107 Cato the Elder
It's a red herring and a stand-in for "get rid of the brown people" and you know it.
I notice this sort of argument used a lot by opposition to some proposed legislation. Stepping back a bit, is motivation for a law a reasonable argument against the law itself? Motive seems like such a subjective thing unless there is specific documentary evidence. Disregarding motive altogether, is this proposed change to citizenship law a bad thing or a good thing? Jus Soli has typically been the case for countries trying to increase population through settlement. I have a hard time reconciling this strategy to the modern day US.
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wrenchwench Fri, May 28, 2010 4:49:33pm |
There are 92 Representatives in the House who also would like to at least modify the 14th amendment.
H.R.1868 - Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
Sponsor
Representative
Nathan Deal
R-GA
View Co-Sponsors (91)o Rep. Todd Akin [R, MO-2]
o Rep. Rodney Alexander [R, LA-5]
o Rep. Spencer Bachus [R, AL-6]
o Rep. James Barrett [R, SC-3]
o Rep. Roscoe Bartlett [R, MD-6]
o Rep. Brian Bilbray [R, CA-50]
o Rep. Gus Bilirakis [R, FL-9]
o Rep. Jo Bonner [R, AL-1]
o Rep. John Boozman [R, AR-3]
o Rep. Kevin Brady [R, TX-8]
o Rep. Paul Broun [R, GA-10]
o Rep. Henry Brown [R, SC-1]
o Rep. Michael Burgess [R, TX-26]
o Rep. Dan Burton [R, IN-5]
o Rep. Ken Calvert [R, CA-44]
o Rep. John Campbell [R, CA-48]
o Rep. John Carter [R, TX-31]
o Rep. Jason Chaffetz [R, UT-3]
o Rep. Howard Coble [R, NC-6]
o Rep. Mike Coffman [R, CO-6]
o Rep. Michael Conaway [R, TX-11]
o Rep. John Culberson [R, TX-7]
o Rep. Geoff Davis [R, KY-4]
o Rep. John Duncan [R, TN-2]
o Rep. John Fleming [R, LA-4]
o Rep. James Forbes [R, VA-4]
o Rep. Jeffrey Fortenberry [R, NE-1]
o Rep. Virginia Foxx [R, NC-5]
o Rep. Trent Franks [R, AZ-2]
o Rep. Scott Garrett [R, NJ-5]
o Rep. John Gingrey [R, GA-11]
o Rep. Louis Gohmert [R, TX-1]
o Rep. Robert Goodlatte [R, VA-6]
o Rep. Samuel Graves [R, MO-6]
o Rep. Parker Griffith [D, AL-5]
o Rep. Ralph Hall [R, TX-4]
o Rep. Dean Heller [R, NV-2]
o Rep. Jeb Hensarling [R, TX-5]
o Rep. Walter Herger [R, CA-2]
o Rep. Duncan Hunter [R, CA-52]
o Rep. Darrell Issa [R, CA-49]
o Rep. Samuel Johnson [R, TX-3]
o Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
o Rep. Jim Jordan [R, OH-4]
o Rep. Steve King [R, IA-5]
o Rep. Peter King [R, NY-3]
o Rep. Jack Kingston [R, GA-1]
o Rep. John Kline [R, MN-2]
o Rep. Doug Lamborn [R, CO-5]
o Rep. John Linder [R, GA-7]
o Rep. Daniel Lungren [R, CA-3]
o Rep. Donald Manzullo [R, IL-16]
o Rep. Kenny Marchant [R, TX-24]
o Rep. Tom McClintock [R, CA-4]
o Rep. Thaddeus McCotter [R, MI-11]
o Rep. Howard McKeon [R, CA-25]
o Rep. John Mica [R, FL-7]
o Rep. Gary Miller [R, CA-42]
o Rep. Candice Miller [R, MI-10]
o Rep. Jerry Moran [R, KS-1]
o Rep. Tim Murphy [R, PA-18]
o Rep. Sue Myrick [R, NC-9]
o Rep. Randy Neugebauer [R, TX-19]
o Rep. Pete Olson [R, TX-22]
o Rep. Mike Pence [R, IN-6]
o Rep. Joseph Pitts [R, PA-16]
o Rep. Todd Platts [R, PA-19]
o Rep. Ted Poe [R, TX-2]
o Rep. Bill Posey [R, FL-15]
o Rep. Tom Price [R, GA-6]
o Rep. Michael Rogers [R, AL-3]
o Rep. Dana Rohrabacher [R, CA-46]
o Rep. Peter Roskam [R, IL-6]
o Rep. Edward Royce [R, CA-40]
o Rep. Peter Sessions [R, TX-32]
o Rep. John Shadegg [R, AZ-3]
o Rep. William Shuster [R, PA-9]
o Rep. Adrian Smith [R, NE-3]
o Rep. Lamar Smith [R, TX-21]
o Rep. Mark Souder [R, IN-3]
o Rep. Clifford Stearns [R, FL-6]
o Rep. John Sullivan [R, OK-1]
o Rep. Gene Taylor [D, MS-4]
o Rep. Todd Tiahrt [R, KS-4]
o Rep. Frederick Upton [R, MI-6]
o Rep. Greg Walden [R, OR-2]
o Rep. Zach Wamp [R, TN-3]
o Rep. Lynn Westmoreland [R, GA-3]
o Rep. Edward Whitfield [R, KY-1]
o Rep. Addison Wilson [R, SC-2]
o Rep. Rob Wittman [R, VA-1]
I disagree with all of them.
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 4:49:52pm |
re: #202 Dark_Falcon
I hope you are feeling better, D_F.
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dugmartsch Fri, May 28, 2010 4:49:53pm |
re: #205 ryannon
Using Google in French, all I could find was an approximate 500,000 in 2008, for a French population of about 65 million. There may be more or there may be less - by definition, an illegal immigrant is someone who more or less stays under the radar here. I'll keep looking and see what I can find.
There aren't really great numbers on illegals here, though. It really goes by how many people you catch. Then multiply by 1.3. Not exactly rigorous methodology.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:50:18pm |
re: #195 Cato the Elder
Steve, you're being a twit. The conversation was between me and FBV. You're just trolling me tonight.
And what "vile names" did I call him? Racist? Well, "anchor baby" is essentially a racist term. I don't think anyone pictures tall blonde mothers from northern France when they use the phrase.
But go on and call me stupid again, you seem to need a vent this evening.
yeah well it seemed to reflect back on me with my use of anchor baby...and I certainly don't intend to sound racist...maybe I'm a hayseed but I have my principles and one of them is not trashing Hispanics, legal or otherwise, and you will not find one post where I do....I shouldn't have called you stupid, not fair or true....even so you should get your lazy ass back to NM for a week or so....on my twitty dime
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abolitionist Fri, May 28, 2010 4:50:20pm |
re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The "Anchor Baby" issue needs to be dealt with.
Wiki-fu
A 1962 tv drama dealt with it - The Price of Tomatos
As I recall, the drama was about a truck driver (Peter Falk), a very pregnant hitchiker (Inger Stevens), the US-Mexican border, a rickety bridge with the border marker near its center, and ...the price of tomatos.
It did much to publicize the anchor baby issue.
I think the synopsis was in error about a detour to a hospital.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:50:45pm |
re: #215 wrenchwench
heh, maybe I'm being unfair, but I notice that the only (D)'s on there are from the Deep, deep south.
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~Fianna Fri, May 28, 2010 4:50:49pm |
re: #190 Aceofwhat?
because, as FBV pointed out earlier, there are citizens here by dint of their birthplace whose parents are not legal immigrants.
and because i don't need to type that entire sentence every time i wish to refer to them in order to satisfy the fairy unicorn dehumanization PC police...
So who gets to be citizens? And what happens to these people when we change the law?
I'm unclear as to why this is such a huge problem that it requires us to change the Constitution so that we can restrict the number of brown people who live here.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:51:04pm |
re: #201 cliffster
You talking about Cato the Stupid? Because it was funny. Cato's a grown man, tough and calloused. Steve's loving moniker doesn't hurt him.
Cato wears his armor...smart guy
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, May 28, 2010 4:51:07pm |
re: #176 Bagua
How low was the pass?
It was low...came out of nowhere and shredded like thunder.. This was a shock..We were at a the most famous Race track in the World wearing ear plugs walking around and for a second..It was like the end of the world...You didn't even see the jets.. It was what the F*ck was that? Look! I don't see anything! What was that?
And then you could hear them turning around...uh ho..What the Hell? Then Boom! they fly back over...You just knew every Indy Driver was standing there looking up and America's Finest Fighter Pilots were showing off real freaking speed in the sky...It was really impressive and I'm glad I'm not an enemy of America cause those Jets are bad freaking bad ass...
God Bless all our Veterans that rest in Peace this Weekend..
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:51:11pm |
re: #218 reine.de.tout
heh how'd you quote that after it got nuked?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:51:33pm |
re: #211 Lidane
No, it's a dehumanizing one. Calling a child an "anchor baby" implies that they only exist at all for one reason at all, and because of something they had zero control over. That's not fair to those kids, IMO.
no, it identifies a reality. the reality is not necessarily good or bad.
you're infusing the word with an intent that i don't recognize. if you were right, there would exist a term to describe the demographic situation under discussion which lacked said negative intent.
there is no such term. this is the one that we have. like any other demographic term, it can be used in conjunction with ill will.
but i do not use it as anything but a factual term, and i resist the implication that i am slurring anyone with factual language.
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 4:51:44pm |
OOPs. I quoted forbidden material. But here's my comment again, for when my previous one is deleted.
re: #204 darthstarBritish Petroleum Rep Randy Prescott:"Louisiana isn't the only place that has shrimp."
I've got his office phone number if you want to give him a call. Charles? Is this a number we can post?
Fuck you, Randy. And fuck you, BP.
Very well said, thank you.
Whether Louisiana is the only place that has shrimp or not, the fact remains that there are actual people, real live human beings, with families to support, whose entire year's income is shot to hell right now because they cannot go out doing the work that they normally do. In some places, the entire community is built around fishing/shrimping, and so everybody in the entire community is adversely affected. Maybe Randy might hire them for the next year?
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:51:55pm |
re: #225 windsagio
heh how'd you quote that after it got nuked?
She quoted it before it got nuked, silly.
:)
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wrenchwench Fri, May 28, 2010 4:52:00pm |
re: #221 windsagio
heh, maybe I'm being unfair, but I notice that the only (D)'s on there are from the Deep, deep south.
Well, facts have no "fair" nor "unfair", and I noticed that fact myself.
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:52:06pm |
re: #206 Varek Raith
Guess not.
Yep...I guess that didn't go over too well. Sorry, Charlie!
...I fucked up, I know. Still, assholes like him need to hear from us.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:52:18pm |
re: #213 windsagio
Haha I'm not worried about you!
well, that's why you have to wait until the thread is slow!
(although being in EST and on a fairly typical schedule, i'm often asleep during the witching hours;)
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 4:52:34pm |
re: #225 windsagio
heh how'd you quote that after it got nuked?
I hit quote before it was deleted.
I just reported mine; it should be deleted shortly.
sheesh.
YOu think I'd know better by now.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:52:53pm |
re: #231 Aceofwhat?
well, that's why you have to wait until the thread is slow!
(although being in EST and on a fairly typical schedule, i'm often asleep during the witching hours;)
Become a Vampire.
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:01pm |
re: #218 reine.de.tout
Very well said, thank you.
Whether Louisiana is the only place that has shrimp or not, the fact remains that there are actual people, real live human beings, with families to support, whose entire year's income is shot to hell right now because they cannot go out doing the work that they normally do. In some places, the entire community is built around fishing/shrimping, and so everybody in the entire community is adversely affected. Maybe Randy might hire them for the next year?
My thought on this is that BP isn't the only company that can pump oil. So when Louisiana gets its shrimp industry back, BP can start selling oil again. Let's see how creative they are with their clean-up now.
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:09pm |
re: #210 Bagua
Cheers for that, gives us some perspective.
I've forgotten if the Washington Post is kosher or not, but here's an article from 2007 that will give you a handle on the illegal immigrant question in France:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:13pm |
re: #231 Aceofwhat?
Going to go play Descent with some friends in a few hours anyways, there'll be some dead time at some point, I'll unload the contents of my heart to you ;)
/no homo
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~Fianna Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:24pm |
re: #215 wrenchwench
There are 92 Representatives in the House who also would like to at least modify the 14th amendment.
H.R.1868 - Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
I disagree with all of them.
Interesting list.
Note that most of them are Rs and the Ds come from places with a strong historical bent for overt racism.
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Renaissance_Man Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:33pm |
re: #124 researchok
Then why did the Dems lose in 2004? Like Zuckerman says, the Dems should have ran away with the election.
Because smoke and mirrors works?
Middle America, as you say, may indeed be moral. But they are also just as vulnerable as every American to populist demagoguery. America is the world leader in many things, but the one thing that it has far and away over every other group of people in the entirety of history is marketing. Of anything - goods, services, fads, ideas, anything.
Facts are much less relevant than you think. Sure, you might believe that middle America will never embrace a nutjob like Rand Paul. But his father has more or less the same set of beliefs, and has been a Senator for 13 years. Rush Limbaugh has the most popular radio show in America. Glenn Beck has the most popular cable news show. And even if 'middle America' is not part of the cult, it doesn't have to be. When you pump out meme after meme after meme, you don't have to have everyone believe all of them. Even if you can have most people just believe a few, whether they're the same ones or not, you've succeeded in altering the political landscape through fiction. Tell a hundred lies and only a few cultists will believe all of them. But most people will find a few that they believe. Cast a wide enough net and you'll eventually get enough.
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 4:53:58pm |
re: #166 HoosierHoops
re: #224 HoosierHoops
I was sitting at a table outside in Di Zahav with an Israeli soldier back when the Sinai was still part of Israel. It was a spot on the beach where the Bedouin rented out little huts built from Palm leaves. We were at the primitive outside bar. There was an observation tower down the beach a bit, maybe 20-30 ft high. An F-16 appeared out of nowhere hugging the ground so low it tilted its starboard wing to avoid the tower and right over our heads.
The soldier, who had his back to the thunder, made it half way to the ground as it passed directly over us, I was facing it and just watched. Amazing.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:54:02pm |
re: #234 darthstar
You should relink that maddow thing from a few nights back. You konw about the time the exact same thing happened 30 years ago?
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:54:05pm |
re: #236 windsagio
Going to go play Descent with some friends in a few hours anyways, there'll be some dead time at some point, I'll unload the contents of my heart to you ;)
/no homo
The original???
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:54:32pm |
re: #222 ~Fianna
So who gets to be citizens? And what happens to these people when we change the law?
I'm unclear as to why this is such a huge problem that it requires us to change the Constitution so that we can restrict the number of brown people who live here.
it doesn't need to be such a huge problem. and i'd prefer to let such families be the first to be on a path to legalization.
but don't rob me of my ability to describe the demographic in a misplaced effort to keep our language humane, please!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 4:54:57pm |
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:55:23pm |
re: #232 reine.de.tout
I hit quote before it was deleted.
I just reported mine; it should be deleted shortly.
sheesh.
YOu think I'd know better by now.
I feel better knowing I'm in good company getting deleted.
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 4:55:31pm |
A poster at Redstate just dropped Charles' and Sharmuta's names...looks around suspiciously...
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:55:46pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 4:55:52pm |
re: #234 darthstar
My thought on this is that BP isn't the only company that can pump oil. So when Louisiana gets its shrimp industry back, BP can start selling oil again. Let's see how creative they are with their clean-up now.
I've heard rumors, RUMORS, that BP will be dead after this is over.
Who knows?
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 4:56:14pm |
re: #227 reine.de.tout
OOPs. I quoted forbidden material. But here's my comment again, for when my previous one is deleted.
Very well said, thank you.Whether Louisiana is the only place that has shrimp or not, the fact remains that there are actual people, real live human beings, with families to support, whose entire year's income is shot to hell right now because they cannot go out doing the work that they normally do. In some places, the entire community is built around fishing/shrimping, and so everybody in the entire community is adversely affected. Maybe Randy might hire them for the next year?
And 150,000 or so oil workers who will be out of work because of the drilling moratorium. Not to mention the effect globally as the oil price reacts to the interruption in new supply.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:56:18pm |
re: #245 prairiefire
A poster at Redstate just dropped Charles' and Sharmuta's names...looks around suspiciously...
I miss Sharm...and Shug too
good people
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:56:28pm |
re: #246 windsagio
That game used to make me so motionsick >>
I didn't know there was a board game version...
:/
Neat.
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:56:30pm |
re: #240 windsagio
You should relink that maddow thing from a few nights back. You konw about the time the exact same thing happened 30 years ago?
Here you go.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, May 28, 2010 4:56:34pm |
re: #245 prairiefire
A poster at Redstate just dropped Charles' and Sharmuta's names...looks around suspiciously...
Sharmuta hasn't been around here for a while.
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 4:57:10pm |
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Racer X Fri, May 28, 2010 4:57:15pm |
Racer X's solution to illegal immigrant problem (yes it is a problem):
To those still waiting in line - thank you for your patience. We will get to you.
To those who managed to get here illegally - welcome to America! If you would like to stay and become a citizen there are a few conditions:
1. You broke our law. There is a penalty. A fine no greater than say, $5,000 to be paid off over the next 10 years should cover expenses.
2. Something led you to flee the conditions in your home country. You are welcome to apply to become an American citizen. Pledge allegiance to America and we will assist you if needed. This is your home now. We are all your fellow citizens. Welcome!
3. You are on probation for the next 2 years. Engage in criminal activity and all previous agreements are null and void. You will be deported to your previous country of origin.
This applies to anyone of any color, race, ethnicity, age, gender, sexual orientation or political views. No one is singled out. I think this is a fair start.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:57:23pm |
re: #251 darthstar
Here you go.
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Thanks.
Hey, everyone should watch this. Don't grind your teeth too hard tho', its unhealthy!
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:57:24pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:57:25pm |
re: #201 cliffster
You talking about Cato the Stupid? Because it was funny. Cato's a grown man, tough and calloused. Steve's loving moniker doesn't hurt him.
Hey Cliff, I finished my reading. I'm now much smarter. I linked to the gist of the articles in my pages. After looking through 4 pages of Google links on Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009, most constitutional scholars seem to think the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009 won't pass constitutional muster and flushing Anchor Babies from the land will require amending the constitution. Of course lot's of folks disagree. Rand Paul, David Duke, George Will, Tom Tancredo and a host of other benign and not so benign web-o-sphere dwellers. So get to petitioning your congress critter, this ones not going to make it to the floor, and if it does, it will end up in the Supreme Court.
Interesting reading. My initial impression and reading of the 14th Amendment and subsequent court decisions when that mastermind Tradewind brought it up a few weeks ago still stands as it applies to this issue. So, of course, I will be returning to sarcasm, as that's all I got for this bullshit.
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 4:58:25pm |
re: #226 Aceofwhat?
Ace, I think you're an absolute gem, so glad you're here.
And that's NOT an insult to everyone else, everyone is great!
Ace is just somebody I seem to agree with more often than not.
My "tribe", I guess you could say.
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 4:58:31pm |
re: #248 Bagua
And 150,000 or so oil workers who will be out of work because of the drilling moratorium. Not to mention the effect globally as the oil price reacts to the interruption in new supply.
Top Kill didn't work, and BP knew it wouldn't work three hours after they started. There's no way to pump enough mud to stem a 16,000 PSI gusher...they can slow it down, a little, and reduce the hydrocarbon portion, but they're replacing that portion with a toxic mix of chemicals that aren't any better for the gulf than the oil is.
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 4:58:32pm |
The poster was claiming another RS poster was standing by Erick Son of Erick, even when he is wrong, like Sharmuta did for Charles.
I liked Sharm, too. She should post, if she feels like it.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 4:58:33pm |
re: #248 Bagua
And 150,000 or so oil workers who will be out of work because of the drilling moratorium. Not to mention the effect globally as the oil price reacts to the interruption in new supply.
it's coming....this spill is the precursor, the very worst thing that could have happened....and that's to say nothing directly about the Gulf and our brothers and sisters down there...some must be terrified about the future....my heart is breaking for LA
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Lidane Fri, May 28, 2010 4:58:57pm |
re: #226 Aceofwhat?
I've never once suggested that you're slurring anyone. I just can't stand the term. It's offensive to me. I think it's wrong to tar a child with the sins of their parents. That's all.
I guess all this immigration stuff just makes me more sensitive and prickly. My father was a naturalized citizen from Mexico, my mom a Mexican-American from here in the States. I didn't learn English until I was almost 4 years old. I don't think I've ever been more aware of my background since all that crap in Arizona started recently. All this rhetoric from people like Rand Paul makes me nervous and uneasy, and I can't help but wonder where it all ends.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 4:59:04pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 4:59:37pm |
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:00:00pm |
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 5:00:11pm |
Well, the whole conversation is moot. Repealing a constitutional amendment requires - another constitutional amendment. And that takes ratification of the proposal by two thirds of the states. It would be dead the minute it leaves the floor of the Senate
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 28, 2010 5:00:17pm |
Obama should start enforcing the Mex border pronto...or else these right wing whackos are gonna go for the whole enchilada.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:01:13pm |
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 5:01:40pm |
re: #267 Spare O'Lake
Obama should start enforcing the Mex border pronto...or else these right wing whackos are gonna go for the whole enchilada.
Maybe pumping mud into the border fence will reduce the flow of undocumented workers.
/
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 5:02:14pm |
re: #266 Cato the Elder
Well, the whole conversation is moot. Repealing a constitutional amendment requires - another constitutional amendment. And that takes ratification of the proposal by two thirds of the states. It would be dead the minute it leaves the floor of the Senate
It would be dead before it hit the Senate floor.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 5:02:24pm |
re: #246 windsagio
That game used to make me so motionsick >>
i swear, it took me the ENTIRE game to get the controls down...
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Vicious Babushka Fri, May 28, 2010 5:02:47pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:02:58pm |
re: #242 Aceofwhat?
it doesn't need to be such a huge problem. and i'd prefer to let such families be the first to be on a path to legalization.
. . .
I agree.
But in order for that to be the case, then something must be done.
And I would think we would want to.
What do we do - give the citizen baby benefits and rights and not the parents? That doesn't seem right to me.
Those who suggest this is an issue that needs to be looked at and addressed are not necessarily racist, alarmist, asshole mucks.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:03:19pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:03:25pm |
re: #267 Spare O'Lake
Obama should start enforcing the Mex border pronto...or else these right wing whackos are gonna go for the whole enchilada.
And they aren't now?
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abolitionist Fri, May 28, 2010 5:03:40pm |
re: #253 Bagua
She was a good egg.
Agree. I'm grateful for Sharmuta's moderating influence, and willingness to listen. Hope our dustup did not have anything to do with her absence from LGF.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 5:03:58pm |
re: #258 reine.de.tout
Ace, I think you're an absolute gem, so glad you're here.
And that's NOT an insult to everyone else, everyone is great!
Ace is just somebody I seem to agree with more often than not.
My "tribe", I guess you could say.
aw, you're a sweet thing. if you're my tribe, i'm doing something right!!
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 5:03:59pm |
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:04:22pm |
re: #273 reine.de.tout
I agree.
But in order for that to be the case, then something must be done.And I would think we would want to.
What do we do - give the citizen baby benefits and rights and not the parents? That doesn't seem right to me.Those who suggest this is an issue that needs to be looked at and addressed are not necessarily racist, alarmist, asshole mucks.
well said
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wrenchwench Fri, May 28, 2010 5:05:22pm |
I've heard stories about how some of these babies get here, and sometimes they involve injury to the mother in her efforts to get here, usually there is more hospitalization than an average birth because there was no pre-natal care. I'm sure many people would think it's bad to spend a lot of money on these mothers and children, but I don't. I wish it was not so expensive, but I don't think the policy should be changed.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 5:05:53pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, May 28, 2010 5:06:02pm |
re: #260 prairiefire
The poster was claiming another RS poster was standing by Erick Son of Erick, even when he is wrong, like Sharmuta did for Charles.
I liked Sharm, too. She should post, if she feels like it.
Sharm is good people and I miss her posting here...
We have spoken in the past on the phone and she is just a charming funny lady and is smart as a whip...I loved her laugh...
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 28, 2010 5:06:08pm |
re: #269 darthstar
Maybe pumping mud into the border fence will reduce the flow of undocumented workers.
/
Very witty, I'm impressed.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:06:16pm |
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darthstar Fri, May 28, 2010 5:06:26pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:06:40pm |
re: #248 Bagua
And 150,000 or so oil workers who will be out of work because of the drilling moratorium. Not to mention the effect globally as the oil price reacts to the interruption in new supply.
Bagua - hubby is in that group. We have no clue what the next 6 months hold for us. The rig he's on had their permit issued, then revoked, then re-issued, and he sent word yesterday, it's been revoked again.
There is no reason on the face of the earth for there to be this moratorium on new wells or continued operation of existing ones.
People who are in the drilling business knew by the end of the first week after the blowout what had happened and why. And they knew it was the result of BP making some very bad decisions, that most people in that business would not have made or gone along with.
This moratorium is nothing more than a political PR move.
And thousands of families are going to suffer.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 5:06:48pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 28, 2010 5:07:03pm |
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 5:07:13pm |
re: #284 albusteve
if more people want that I'd pass it on
Yes, hi from me as well. She might remember me as a recent newb. Go Goldwater!!!
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:07:46pm |
re: #282 HoosierHoops
Sharm is good people and I miss her posting here...
We have spoken in the past on the phone and she is just a charming funny lady and is smart as a whip...I loved her laugh...
smart as a whip?....understatement, but such a kind person....and jolly too!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 5:07:58pm |
re: #262 Lidane
I've never once suggested that you're slurring anyone. I just can't stand the term. It's offensive to me. I think it's wrong to tar a child with the sins of their parents. That's all.
I guess all this immigration stuff just makes me more sensitive and prickly. My father was a naturalized citizen from Mexico, my mom a Mexican-American from here in the States. I didn't learn English until I was almost 4 years old. I don't think I've ever been more aware of my background since all that crap in Arizona started recently. All this rhetoric from people like Rand Paul makes me nervous and uneasy, and I can't help but wonder where it all ends.
i understand where you're coming from. i understand that the rhetoric is nerve-wracking...hell, it makes me nervous that these asswipes have an audience.
but as with many descriptors of a factual situation, please don't let the evil intent of the few color the language that the rest of us rely on for the sake of clarity...please!
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:08:43pm |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 5:09:14pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:09:23pm |
re: #269 darthstar
Maybe pumping mud into the border fence will reduce the flow of undocumented workers.
/
That'd be fine by me.
At least the Roi would have work.
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:09:26pm |
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 5:09:59pm |
re: #293 reine.de.tout
I like to think of myself as a (very) unpolished gem >>
Maybe grossular or something.
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:11:48pm |
re: #297 windsagio
I like to think of myself as a (very) unpolished gem >>
Maybe grossular or something.
*snort*
ROFL!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 5:12:24pm |
re: #297 windsagio
I like to think of myself as a (very) unpolished gem >>
Maybe grossular or something.
no wonder Walter likes to grind you so much/
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:12:27pm |
re: #296 ryannon
If you do it too much you go deaf and blind.
And if you never do it you don't know what out there about you.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:12:38pm |
re: #297 windsagio
I like to think of myself as a (very) unpolished gem >>
Maybe grossular or something.
you look like Redi Mix to me
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:13:50pm |
re: #299 Aceofwhat?
no wonder Walter likes to grind you so much/
but his cutting wit is tempered by his polished delivery
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 28, 2010 5:14:31pm |
re: #284 albusteve
if more people want that I'd pass it on
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:14:34pm |
Among the 62,501 anagrams for 'illegal immigrant':
Tamale Milling Rig
[Link: wordsmith.org...]
It's as if language itself is inherently racist.
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:14:36pm |
re: #302 albusteve
but his cutting wit is tempered by his polished delivery
now you see, I think his polished wit is tempered by his cutting delivery.
We need to have a fight about this.
Sometime.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 5:14:55pm |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 5:15:24pm |
re: #302 albusteve
but his cutting wit is tempered by his polished delivery
the edges can be a little sharp, on occasion, but i like 'em that way...
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:15:46pm |
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 5:15:53pm |
re: #259 darthstar
Top Kill didn't work, and BP knew it wouldn't work three hours after they started. There's no way to pump enough mud to stem a 16,000 PSI gusher...they can slow it down, a little, and reduce the hydrocarbon portion, but they're replacing that portion with a toxic mix of chemicals that aren't any better for the gulf than the oil is.
Nope. The well could be kicking as high as 16K but the formation is about 13,000 and there is a drop somewhere as it is about 9,000 at the bottom of the BOP. There is a choke off in the BOP because it is only 400 psi above ambient above it. If the pressure drop was low enough in the well then a column of mud could kill it. That is what the relief wells are going to do, inject mud.
The problem is it is looking like the pressure drop is too high in the well to get a sufficient column of mud. 5,000 ft? Unless they found a way to go lower. If they could recover the drill pipe and it extends more than 5,000 ft, they could use it to inject mud at the bottom of the well and gain control of it, just as the relief well would. But this would involve letting the well free-flow at 9,000 psi while this was tried.
Remember, the well was held back previously by a column of mud before and after the various cement jobs. The mud and the likely faulty cement plugs were holding the formation pressure until the mud was displaced with lighter sea water. It didn't blow up full of mud.
I'm not sure about the composition of the mud, but it is said to be water based and non-toxic.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:16:21pm |
re: #303 Spare O'Lake
SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA!SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA!SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA!SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA!SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA! SHAR MU TA!
easy pilgrim
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 5:16:26pm |
re: #309 reine.de.tout
More the 'before' than the 'after' >>
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, May 28, 2010 5:16:46pm |
re: #286 reine.de.tout
Thanks for that info, it tweaks my understanding of the whole mess. All the best to you and your family.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, May 28, 2010 5:16:51pm |
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 5:17:00pm |
Oh man, I've gotta go get some food.
Do I head out with something that'll piss everyone off, or just eat and come back?
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:17:28pm |
re: #305 reine.de.tout
now you see, I think his polished wit is tempered by his cutting delivery.
We need to have a fight about this.
Sometime.
serve me dinner and I'll argue anytime...mmmmm
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sagehen Fri, May 28, 2010 5:17:47pm |
re: #237 ~Fianna
Interesting list.
Note that most of them are Rs and the Ds come from places with a strong historical bent for overt racism.
And their stated rationale is... wait for it... that the congress that wrote and passed that amendment, and the state legislatures that ratified it, didn't really mean it to say what it very clearly says in plain language.
Those "originalists" are a hoot, aren't they?
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~Fianna Fri, May 28, 2010 5:18:21pm |
re: #318 sagehen
And their stated rationale is... wait for it... that the congress that wrote and passed that amendment, and the state legislatures that ratified it, didn't really mean it to say what it very clearly says in plain language.
Those "originalists" are a hoot, aren't they?
This word... I don't think it means what you think it means...
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:18:33pm |
re: #310 Bagua
Drilling Mud
Water-based drilling mud most commonly consists of bentonite clay (gel) with additives such as barium sulfate (barite), calcium carbonate (chalk) or hematite. Various thickeners are used to influence the viscosity of the fluid, e.g. xanthan gum, guar gum, glycol, carboxymethylcellulose, polyanionic cellulose (PAC), or starch. In turn, deflocculants are used to reduce viscosity of clay-based muds; anionic polyelectrolytes (e.g. acrylates, polyphosphates, lignosulfonates (Lig) or tannic acid derivates such as Quebracho) are frequently used. Red mud was the name for a Quebracho-based mixture, named after the color of the red tannic acid salts; it was commonly used in 1940s to 1950s, then was made obsolete when lignosulfonates became available. Other components are added to provide various specific functional characteristics as listed above.
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sagehen Fri, May 28, 2010 5:19:10pm |
re: #248 Bagua
And 150,000 or so oil workers who will be out of work because of the drilling moratorium. Not to mention the effect globally as the oil price reacts to the interruption in new supply.
And those beachfront homes aren't nearly so appealling as they were a few months ago.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:19:24pm |
re: #315 windsagio
Oh man, I've gotta go get some food.
Do I head out with something that'll piss everyone off, or just eat and come back?
have it delivered you special person you....feed your esteem
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:20:34pm |
re: #313 Jeff In Ohio
Thanks for that info, it tweaks my understanding of the whole mess. All the best to you and your family.
Thanks, Jeff.
As soon as he returned to his rig, hubby found out what had happened. A few of the details were a bit different from what's come out, but the basic reasons for the blow-out were known to people in the biz. And they also knew the decisions BP made were stupid, and that others on the rig had to have disagreed with them (as has come out in the investigation)
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sagehen Fri, May 28, 2010 5:21:03pm |
re: #254 Racer X
Racer X's solution to illegal immigrant problem (yes it is a problem):
To those still waiting in line - thank you for your patience. We will get to you.
To those who managed to get here illegally - welcome to America! If you would like to stay and become a citizen there are a few conditions:
1. You broke our law. There is a penalty. A fine no greater than say, $5,000 to be paid off over the next 10 years should cover expenses.
2. Something led you to flee the conditions in your home country. You are welcome to apply to become an American citizen. Pledge allegiance to America and we will assist you if needed. This is your home now. We are all your fellow citizens. Welcome!
3. You are on probation for the next 2 years. Engage in criminal activity and all previous agreements are null and void. You will be deported to your previous country of origin.
This applies to anyone of any color, race, ethnicity, age, gender, sexual orientation or political views. No one is singled out. I think this is a fair start.
I'm not thrilled with granting citizenship, even on those conditions, to illegal immigrants. Permanent residency with no path to citizenship, but they'll be the parents (or at least grandparents) of citizens.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 5:21:30pm |
re: #322 albusteve
I think you'd know by now steve, my sense of self don't need no help from nobody!
There's something deeply sad about people that don't know they're awesome. Luckily, that's not me.
Anyways, you love it!
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 5:21:56pm |
re: #323 reine.de.tout
Thanks, Jeff.
As soon as he returned to his rig, hubby found out what had happened. A few of the details were a bit different from what's come out, but the basic reasons for the blow-out were known to people in the biz. And they also knew the decisions BP made were stupid, and that others on the rig had to have disagreed with them (as has come out in the investigation)
And some of the people who disagreed with them and were overruled paid with their lives.
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:22:06pm |
re: #321 sagehen
And those beachfront homes aren't nearly so appealling as they were a few months ago.
hahaha.
There are no "beachfront homes" in Louisiana.
LOL.
There are beachfront SHACKS.
OMG.
My side hurts, I'm laughing so hard.
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sagehen Fri, May 28, 2010 5:22:12pm |
re: #270 darthstar
It would be dead before it hit the Senate floor.
It won't even get out of committee.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 5:22:17pm |
re: #324 sagehen
I'm actually for full amnesty and citizenship, its really best for us, in the long run.
/yes I know that's an extreme position.
Anyways later, I'm off to get some foodstuffs!
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:24:08pm |
re: #327 reine.de.tout
hahaha.
There are no "beachfront homes" in Louisiana.
LOL.
There are beachfront SHACKS.
OMG.
My side hurts, I'm laughing so hard.
what?...not like the Fla panhandle....Perdido?
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:24:51pm |
re: #326 Cato the Elder
And some of the people who disagreed with them and were overruled paid with their lives.
Yes.
And died horribly.
I know that BP had a bunch of high-level officials out there at the time, and I can't help but wonder if that didn't play into it a bit, with the BP Company Man wanting to make some sort of impression on his bosses, about how tough and decisive he was.
Those sorts of meetings and discussions go on out on those rigs, daily. Usually, the Co. man will actually listen to the experts.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 5:25:27pm |
By the way, has anyone here talked about the new strain of wind-borne fungus that is said to be toxic to something like 98% of wheat strains on the planet?
That's right, it's a new strain, and it's spread by wind.
It is the thing that has killed most of the last three wheat crops in Kenya, leading to mass starvation.
And we're arguing over a nonentity like Rand Paul?
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:26:27pm |
re: #330 albusteve
what?...not like the Fla panhandle...Perdido?
We wish!
It's mostly marshland.
The few beaches are mosquito infested places few people go to, other than to take a boat out to fish.
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abolitionist Fri, May 28, 2010 5:26:55pm |
re: #310 Bagua
[snip] If the pressure drop was low enough in the well then a column of mud could kill it. [snip]
I wonder what the oil pressure is like near the ocean floor, relative to the pressure from a mile of seawater outside the pipe. Perhaps way lower than near the surface, I'd guess. Possibly negative? But I've no idea if injecting "mud" at that depth is practical.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:27:03pm |
re: #332 Cato the Elder
By the way, has anyone here talked about the new strain of wind-borne fungus that is said to be toxic to something like 98% of wheat strains on the planet?
That's right, it's a new strain, and it's spread by wind.
It is the thing that has killed most of the last three wheat crops in Kenya, leading to mass starvation.
And we're arguing over a nonentity like Rand Paul?
yes, read about it the other day....very scary, and I agree about RP...holy shit, c'mon
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 5:27:07pm |
Looks like the was getting ready to stick the wrench back in the leak plume. It is wrapped in twine, and the robot holds it in the plume and occasionally pulls it out to bang it against the BOP.
People have speculated it is to see if either oil or hydrates stick to it, a primitive oil dip stick. My guess is it has some tubes secured to it and the wrench just is to hold it.
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sagehen Fri, May 28, 2010 5:27:26pm |
re: #327 reine.de.tout
hahaha.
There are no "beachfront homes" in Louisiana.
LOL.
There are beachfront SHACKS.
OMG.
My side hurts, I'm laughing so hard.
Mississippi? Or that little pokey bit of Arkansas?
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aagcobb Fri, May 28, 2010 5:27:52pm |
re: #80 albusteve
why?...what are they then?...it's no secret
Lets see, could they be "Americans"? Yes, I think that's what they are. Of course, maybe the Kuwaitis have it right-maybe we need a permanent underclass to do our scut work for us for generation after generation without any rights or any hope of citizenship and assimilation. Sounds like the American Dream to me!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:28:03pm |
re: #331 reine.de.tout
Yes.
And died horribly.I know that BP had a bunch of high-level officials out there at the time, and I can't help but wonder if that didn't play into it a bit, with the BP Company Man wanting to make some sort of impression on his bosses, about how tough and decisive he was.
Those sorts of meetings and discussions go on out on those rigs, daily. Usually, the Co. man will actually listen to the experts.
What you propose was likely it. If you've even worked retail when a delegation of high corporate officers is in the area, you've experienced it. The whole store becomes a dog-and-pony show, in which the most important thing is to have everything look to the execs. I've heard more than one validated story of someone fired because things went wrong in front of the brass.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 5:28:07pm |
re: #330 albusteve
what?...not like the Fla panhandle...Perdido?
florida = beach
louisiana = swamp
but we love them anyway...
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:28:50pm |
re: #333 reine.de.tout
We wish!
It's mostly marshland.
The few beaches are mosquito infested places few people go to, other than to take a boat out to fish.
I've ramble around down there below Houma...the roads run out, very unusual region, pretty soon it's just mangroves and water
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Linden Arden Fri, May 28, 2010 5:30:17pm |
re: #332 Cato the Elder
By the way, has anyone here talked about the new strain of wind-borne fungus that is said to be toxic to something like 98% of wheat strains on the planet?
That's right, it's a new strain, and it's spread by wind.
It is the thing that has killed most of the last three wheat crops in Kenya, leading to mass starvation.
And we're arguing over a nonentity like Rand Paul?
We're past due for another mass extinction.
The next one will be a bitch!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 5:30:24pm |
re: #338 aagcobb
Lets see, could they be "Americans"? Yes, I think that's what they are. Of course, maybe the Kuwaitis have it right-maybe we need a permanent underclass to do our scut work for us for generation after generation without any rights or any hope of citizenship and assimilation. Sounds like the American Dream to me!
you skipped about 30 fabulous posts. go read...
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 5:30:38pm |
re: #333 reine.de.tout
We wish!
It's mostly marshland.
The few beaches are mosquito infested places few people go to, other than to take a boat out to fish.
The gators enjoy it.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 5:31:05pm |
re: #343 Linden Arden
We're past due for another mass extinction.
The next one will be a bitch!
Prince Philip, is that you?
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jamesfirecat Fri, May 28, 2010 5:32:02pm |
///You all think this is about illegal immigrants? If they can get rid of the 14th Ammendment they can get Obama out of the White House!
It's all connections!
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:32:28pm |
re: #341 Cato the Elder
gadzooks...what a nightmare...something like this and another crisis twofer, could really cause some damage...things can deteriorate rapidly, you knew that
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Linden Arden Fri, May 28, 2010 5:33:16pm |
re: #346 Cato the Elder
Prince Philip, is that you?
Hmmm, I don't connect.
I love a good jab, though.
Please explain.
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reine.de.tout Fri, May 28, 2010 5:33:25pm |
re: #337 sagehen
Mississippi? Or that little pokey bit of Arkansas?
Arkansas is not on the Gulf.
The Mississippi Gulf Coast beaches are man-made beaches, and not particularly pretty. The water there is muddy and dark. There you don't have shacks, but you have moderate-income beach "camps". Most of the folks living on the Miss Gulf Coast (Biloxi etc) work at those casinos there. We're not talking rich folks here.
Anyone with any money is going to go an hour further east, and get a condo in a high-rise in the Gulf Shores AL /Perdido Key FL area.
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 5:34:05pm |
re: #348 albusteve
Oh, and if Sharm feels hesitant to post, she can always tell people who bother her to F off.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 5:34:52pm |
re: #349 Linden Arden
Hmmm, I don't connect.
I love a good jab, though.
Please explain.
Prince Philip, the consort of Queen Elizabeth II, infamously said that if reincarnation were real, he would like to come back as a deadly virus and wipe out 99% of the human population.
One assumes that he assumes that the Windsors would somehow be immune.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:36:58pm |
re: #351 prairiefire
Oh, and if Sharm feels hesitant to post, she can always tell people who bother her to F off.
it got exceedingly nasty back then, needlessly
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Linden Arden Fri, May 28, 2010 5:38:32pm |
re: #352 Cato the Elder
Fascinating.
As a youngster I saw The Omega Man.
Great sci-fi - and I don't watch the StarWarsy stuff.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 5:38:43pm |
OK, all this Sharmuta nostalgia is creeping me out.
She left here because after her 200,000 posts largely irrelevant posts and half a million updings, Charles declined to do her bidding and ban her personal enemies. Just like Irish Rose. It was a case of massive butthurt.
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 5:40:19pm |
re: #353 albusteve
it got exceedingly nasty back then, needlessly
I read the whole thing, at the end of dead threads no less. I'm here to argue about politics, not to get into ridiculous pissing matches.
She was ganged up on.
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Bagua Fri, May 28, 2010 5:40:29pm |
re: #334 abolitionist
[snip] If the pressure drop was low enough in the well then a column of mud could kill it. [snip]
I wonder what the oil pressure is like near the ocean floor, relative to the pressure from a mile of seawater outside the pipe. Perhaps way lower than near the surface, I'd guess. Possibly negative? But I've no idea if injecting "mud" at that depth is practical.
It is about 9,000 psi at the sea-bed just below the BOP stack, ambient water pressure about 2,200. The formation (reservoir) is about 13-14,000 psi. Injecting mud at depth is the best way to kill it. It is what the relief well will do and what they did to hold it back before any cement plugs were set. If the bore hole is intact, a full column of mud will hold back the formation.
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:40:49pm |
re: #352 Cato the Elder
Prince Philip, the consort of Queen Elizabeth II, infamously said that if reincarnation were real, he would like to come back as a deadly virus and wipe out 99% of the human population.
One assumes that he assumes that the Windsors would somehow be immune.
They've managed to survive him so far.
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albusteve Fri, May 28, 2010 5:41:05pm |
re: #355 Cato the Elder
OK, all this Sharmuta nostalgia is creeping me out.
She left here because after her 200,000 posts largely irrelevant posts and half a million updings, Charles declined to do her bidding and ban her personal enemies. Just like Irish Rose. It was a case of massive butthurt.
that's one way to put it....but things got extra aggressive back then, a lot of needless insult and bad vibe...results varied
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:41:06pm |
re: #355 Cato the Elder
OK, all this Sharmuta nostalgia is creeping me out.
She left here because after her 200,000 posts largely irrelevant posts and half a million updings, Charles declined to do her bidding and ban her personal enemies. Just like Irish Rose. It was a case of massive butthurt.
It was indeed a clash between her and Jimmah/Ice. It was about some nasty stuff, though, and so I'll go no further.
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jamesfirecat Fri, May 28, 2010 5:42:10pm |
re: #355 Cato the Elder
OK, all this Sharmuta nostalgia is creeping me out.
She left here because after her 200,000 posts largely irrelevant posts and half a million updings, Charles declined to do her bidding and ban her personal enemies. Just like Irish Rose. It was a case of massive butthurt.
So on a different note (forgive me if you mentioned it beforehand) why the new avatar Cato?
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 5:42:34pm |
re: #361 Dark_Falcon
It was indeed a clash between her and Jimmah/Ice. It was about some nasty stuff, though, and so I'll go no further.
And nor will I.
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freetoken Fri, May 28, 2010 5:43:22pm |
re: #341 Cato the Elder
The Ug99 fungus -- whose new mutations have now appeared in South Africa -- causes plants to fall over
So, why do the wheat stalks really go limp? Notice how it started in ... Africa?
It should be clear, by allowing teh ghey to spread through the continent, the normally fecundant wheat varieties are going limp!
It's a message from God.
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 28, 2010 5:45:23pm |
re: #365 freetoken
So, why do the wheat stalks really go limp? Notice how it started in ... Africa?
It should be clear, by allowing teh ghey to spread through the continent, the normally fecundant wheat varieties are going limp!
It's a message from God.
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!
*Sigh* It was the witches, who stole the virlity of the wheat with their evil eye. Follow the evidence!
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 5:47:49pm |
re: #362 jamesfirecat
So on a different note (forgive me if you mentioned it beforehand) why the new avatar Cato?
You mean you don't follow my every post and hang on my every word?
To quote myself from yesterday's overnight thread:
It's a Celtic cross, because I'm Celtic by blood (putting aside the Roman mask for a moment). Specifically, my ancestors are Scots-Welsh-Irish with a few English genes thrown in just to make it all worse. My parents like to joke that I got the nastiest traits from all those heritages. To wit: I drink like a Mick, swear like a Welshman, fight like a Scot, and do snide like an English lord.
And I'm Roman Catholic by faith and the grace of God.
The avatar is there because I am all that, and also as a protest against the Nazis who have adopted the Celtic cross as a substitute for the swastika.
You didn't ask, but the motto means "it is difficult not to write satire" - which pretty much sums up my take on the world.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:48:05pm |
re: #366 Emmmieg
*Sigh* It was the witches, who stole the virlity of the wheat with their evil eye. Follow the evidence!
The Troof is out there!
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, May 28, 2010 5:49:46pm |
re: #355 Cato the Elder
OK, all this Sharmuta nostalgia is creeping me out.
She left here because after her 200,000 posts largely irrelevant posts and half a million updings, Charles declined to do her bidding and ban her personal enemies. Just like Irish Rose. It was a case of massive butthurt.
Well good creep out...Sharm was good people and a true Conservative...She was like really old school.. And if she had 200,000 posts here then you give her props for her contributions to LGF..She never flounced like the thousands of Pussies from here....Don't bad mouth her Cato
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ryannon Fri, May 28, 2010 5:50:12pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 28, 2010 5:50:25pm |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
The Troof is out there!
Actually, the truth is that all those mom jeans from the 90's made their way to the Goodwill and over to Africa.
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researchok Fri, May 28, 2010 5:51:09pm |
So I eat dinner, kick back and have some pie for dessert.
First thing I see is about 'butthurt'.
Never a dull moment around here.
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Linden Arden Fri, May 28, 2010 5:51:46pm |
re: #367 Cato the Elder
I drink like a Mick, swear like a Welshman, fight like a Scot, and do snide like an English lord.
You have puzzled this Irishman twice.
What is "snide"?
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compound idaho Fri, May 28, 2010 5:51:51pm |
re: #332 Cato the Elder
By the way, has anyone here talked about the new strain of wind-borne fungus that is said to be toxic to something like 98% of wheat strains on the planet?
That's right, it's a new strain, and it's spread by wind.
It is the thing that has killed most of the last three wheat crops in Kenya, leading to mass starvation.
And we're arguing over a nonentity like Rand Paul?
Sell gold! Buy genetically modified grain!
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jamesfirecat Fri, May 28, 2010 5:55:05pm |
re: #367 Cato the Elder
You mean you don't follow my every post and hang on my every word?
To quote myself from yesterday's overnight thread:
It's a Celtic cross, because I'm Celtic by blood (putting aside the Roman mask for a moment). Specifically, my ancestors are Scots-Welsh-Irish with a few English genes thrown in just to make it all worse. My parents like to joke that I got the nastiest traits from all those heritages. To wit: I drink like a Mick, swear like a Welshman, fight like a Scot, and do snide like an English lord.
And I'm Roman Catholic by faith and the grace of God.
The avatar is there because I am all that, and also as a protest against the Nazis who have adopted the Celtic cross as a substitute for the swastika.
You didn't ask, but the motto means "it is difficult not to write satire" - which pretty much sums up my take on the world.
Ahh cool I'm part Scottish on my mother's side and part German on my fathers.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, May 28, 2010 5:55:08pm |
re: #376 Linden Arden
Here it is from the free dictionary.com.
[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]
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Linden Arden Fri, May 28, 2010 5:57:12pm |
re: #377 compound idaho
Sell gold! Buy genetically modified grain!
A seed bank and gold is all ye need in the future Beckian Dystopia.
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Nimed Fri, May 28, 2010 5:57:58pm |
What's all this reminiscence about Sharmuta?
Urban dictionary:
sharmuta - slut or whore in arabic (arab lang) or tigrinia (eritrean lang) or amharic (ethiopian lang).
that sharmuta was all over my man in the strip club.
Gutsy nick.
windsagio and jamesfirecat, join me in teh newbie cluelessness.
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Nimed Fri, May 28, 2010 6:00:26pm |
Tempted to play the dreaded un-American card on Rand Paul on this issue.
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compound idaho Fri, May 28, 2010 6:01:36pm |
re: #381 Nimed
What's all this reminiscence about Sharmuta?
Urban dictionary:
sharmuta - slut or whore in arabic (arab lang) or tigrinia (eritrean lang) or amharic (ethiopian lang).
that sharmuta was all over my man in the strip club.Gutsy nick.
windsagio and jamesfirecat, join me in teh newbie cluelessness.
Learn something new every day. Spent a few weeks in Greece. I'm terrible with foreign languages. No make that all languages. The only Greek I remember is the good stuff my driver taught me.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, May 28, 2010 6:04:05pm |
re: #381 Nimed
What's all this reminiscence about Sharmuta?
Urban dictionary:
sharmuta - slut or whore in arabic (arab lang) or tigrinia (eritrean lang) or amharic (ethiopian lang).
that sharmuta was all over my man in the strip club.Gutsy nick.
windsagio and jamesfirecat, join me in teh newbie cluelessness.
When you post another 100,000 posts here then you can talk shit..OK?
Sharm was good people and I won't let her be trashed in absentee..
It's not right
/Now there are some fruitcakes that don't post here anymore that I'd Be more than happy to trash..
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Nimed Fri, May 28, 2010 6:09:26pm |
re: #384 HoosierHoops
Hu? Dude, I don't know what's your definition of "talking shit". I googled "sharmuta", and that was the first result -- and I presume Sharmuta was aware of the meaning of the word (which I complemented!).
Also, seniority arguments are kinda idiotic.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:09:28pm |
re: #355 Cato the Elder
I totally wanted to say that, but didn't have the balls.
You're beautiful. Well sometimes :D
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Nimed Fri, May 28, 2010 6:10:47pm |
re: #386 windsagio
Et tu, windsagio? I really hope james doesn't know her.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:11:52pm |
re: #387 Nimed
You're tackling a big subject man, Cato can get away with it, but I'm not sure you or I can ;)
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Racer X Fri, May 28, 2010 6:12:39pm |
re: #388 windsagio
/internet tribalism at its best >>
Heh.
You use that word a lot. Especially while practicing it.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, May 28, 2010 6:13:44pm |
re: #385 Nimed
Hu? Dude, I don't know what's your definition of "talking shit". I googled "sharmuta", and that was the first result -- and I presume Sharmuta was aware of the meaning of the word (which I complemented!).
Also, seniority arguments are kinda idiotic.
Hey you..I'm not picking a fight.. I liked Sharm and she left us along time ago...
So it really doesn't matter at all..But I was going all Ballistic about her..
*wink*
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Nimed Fri, May 28, 2010 6:14:11pm |
re: #389 windsagio
You're tackling a big subject man, Cato can get away with it, but I'm not sure you or I can ;)
I understand the need to play nice if you're new to a message board, but come on! You really have to try very hard to see a shred of malice in my post. For all I know, Sharmuta is the nicest person in the world.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:14:37pm |
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:15:18pm |
re: #392 Nimed
As you can see, it doesn't actually matter.
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Nimed Fri, May 28, 2010 6:16:33pm |
re: #391 HoosierHoops
Hey you..I'm not picking a fight.. I liked Sharm and she left us along time ago...
So it really doesn't matter at all..But I was going all Ballistic about her..
*wink*
:) Alright. Looks like a sensitive topic. Staying out of it from now on.
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Macha Fri, May 28, 2010 6:16:50pm |
re: #332 Cato the Elder
By the way, has anyone here talked about the new strain of wind-borne fungus that is said to be toxic to something like 98% of wheat strains on the planet?
That's right, it's a new strain, and it's spread by wind.
It is the thing that has killed most of the last three wheat crops in Kenya, leading to mass starvation.
And we're arguing over a nonentity like Rand Paul?
This is the first I've heard of it. Do you have a link? I'd like to find out more.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:17:59pm |
re: #396 Macha
It was on NPR too, people are really worried.
Good news is thats why we have GM crops!
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rich7041 Fri, May 28, 2010 6:19:38pm |
I don't necessarily agree that the Amendment should be repealed, but what are we to do about the thousands of people coming into this country illegally specifically to have their anchor babies? It's an unsustainable system, and to call it racist is just a lib talking point. I'm astonished that most Americans wouldn't see it that way. This costs us billions of dollars.
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 6:20:19pm |
Charlie Cook revisits his appraisal of a Republican blow out in November:[Link: cookpolitical.com...]
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prairiefire Fri, May 28, 2010 6:22:59pm |
Info on the Ug99 fungus:[Link: www.impactlab.com...]
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freetoken Fri, May 28, 2010 6:23:01pm |
re: #398 rich7041
This costs us billions of dollars.
Well, I'm not sure I buy that. But in any case, as each new US citizen grows up and spends the rest of their lives working and paying taxes they will more than offset whatever unpaid medical care they got in the emergency room to pay for their delivery.
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Macha Fri, May 28, 2010 6:24:14pm |
re: #397 windsagio
Thanks. I read the article. I just hadn't scrolled down far enough.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:24:52pm |
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:28:54pm |
oy racer, asked you a question a ways up, you still here?
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rich7041 Fri, May 28, 2010 6:30:35pm |
If someone could count the number of so-called anchor babies born here annually, then calculate how many were born in a medical center & how many parents didn't pay the bill, then calculate how many years of free public school they attended, and any other payouts from the public funds (welfare, food stamps, etc.) I'm guessing that it would add up. No, I have not done the math. I have, however, seen this in action in the large Jersey suburb where I have just completed 30 years as a police officer. This stuff happens and it happens alot.
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Racer X Fri, May 28, 2010 6:36:23pm |
re: #393 windsagio
Well, how do I practice it? Lay it out for me.
Who is my "Tribe"?
Well, I'm not sure. But in the context of your comment about HH practicing tribalism at it's best, you then made this statement:
re: #386 windsagio
I totally wanted to say that, but didn't have the balls.
You're beautiful. Well sometimes :D
Perhaps I'm confusing what you mean when you accuse others of practicing tribalism.
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:43:38pm |
re: #409 Racer X
Well here's the thing.
[Soapbox: ON]
I hardly go out of my way to defend cato. Usually, we've had some really bitter and acrimonious fights. There is nobody I would support simply because they're on my poltical side, or because they were longstanding members of the community.
The latter is specifically what I was talking about. There are longstanding members of the community that can get away with a ton of really unacceptable behavior, specifically because of who they are and their record of being here a while (I'll spare us both specific examples as too divisive, but trust me I could bring some up). I find forgiving bad behavior on an internet forum for that kind of reason particularly annoying.
I have some really damn bad habits, but I don't think that's one of them.
Political tribalism, I'm sure you know what I mean. The best example would be somebody on here saying he hoped Obama failed because it would help the GOP in the upcoming elections. That's not such good thinking.
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 6:46:16pm |
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:48:27pm |
re: #412 Racer X
When I say 'tribalism', I'm saying people are unduly defending internet friends that do wrong.
I flatter myself that I don't do that much, altho none of us are perfect :)
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Cato the Elder Fri, May 28, 2010 6:51:44pm |
re: #371 HoosierHoops
Well good creep out...Sharm was good people and a true Conservative...She was like really old school.. And if she had 200,000 posts here then you give her props for her contributions to LGF..She never flounced like the thousands of Pussies from here...Don't bad mouth her Cato
I have never met a "true conservative"...
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windsagio Fri, May 28, 2010 6:56:31pm |
re: #414 Cato the Elder
I would actually describe you as one, in some ways~
If you strip some of the current baggage from the word anyways.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 28, 2010 7:02:12pm |
re: #19 Renaissance_Man
Can you imagine the outrage if a prominent Democrat politician had given an interview to a Russian talk show?
I think the crazy right can't quite figure out what to do about Russia right now. On the one hand, the Russians have utility for them. On the other, they're still the Evil Empire to many of them.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, May 28, 2010 7:09:03pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 28, 2010 7:21:15pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
Don't forget folks. The Paul family have been in the United States of America for thousands of years.
/
Well, so has my husband's family, and they're not trying to do weird shit to the Constitution.
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oklahoma Fri, May 28, 2010 8:18:18pm |
So if a couple are in this country visiting, and the woman has a child, the child is a citizen of the US regardless? How does that work? Seems like a lot of US citizens live in Europe then. Hey, tax them too.
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mich-again Fri, May 28, 2010 11:11:20pm |
This non-starter of an idea from Rand Paul is just more evidence that the Libertardians like him are not serious about actually governing, they just want to sit around and fantacize about what id and what should never be.
There won't be any more amendments to the Constitution. Not in this USA. You won't see 3/4 of the States agreeing on anything.
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RogueOne Sat, May 29, 2010 5:35:16am |
re: #266 Cato the Elder
Well, the whole conversation is moot. Repealing a constitutional amendment requires - another constitutional amendment. And that takes ratification of the proposal by two thirds of the states. It would be dead the minute it leaves the floor of the Senate
Not quite. The USSC has never ruled that the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to children born to parents who are here illegally. Since that obviously wasn't the original intent of the amendment and also since the constitution also grants congress the sole authority to decide immigration and citizenship rules....It could be an interesting court case and argument.
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aagcobb Sat, May 29, 2010 7:54:49am |
re: #421 RogueOne
Not quite. The USSC has never ruled that the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to children born to parents who are here illegally. Since that obviously wasn't the original intent of the amendment and also since the constitution also grants congress the sole authority to decide immigration and citizenship rules...It could be an interesting court case and argument.
Read the Supreme Court case US v. Wong Kim Ark. Our law on citizenship is based on centuries old english common law. If you are born in the USyou are a citizen. The only exceptions are children of ambassadors and children of enemy soldiers in hostile occupation of our territory. Everyone else born here is a natural born citizen. Period.
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Obdicut Sat, May 29, 2010 9:59:22am |
re: #421 RogueOne
Yes, they have, in fact.
Why do you know so little about subjects you apparently care so much about, Rogue?
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Obdicut Sat, May 29, 2010 10:00:22am |
re: #408 rich7041
Make sure you count the taxes they pay, and the taxes their parents paid even while they were ineligible for SS benefits, etc, too.
That'd kind of fuck up your obvious agenda, though.
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rich7041 Sat, May 29, 2010 11:22:28am |
The ones I'm talking about aren't paying all that bothersome stuff. Working off the books for landscapers and the like. Cramming 10 people into apartments meant for 4. Living off the grid, so to speak. In my experience, alot of them are more of a drain on resources than contributing members of the US economy. And you must be a mindreader to know what my "obvious agenda" is. Tool.
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bricko Sat, May 29, 2010 11:55:48am |
It should have been repealed years ago. Every other country with mass immigration has stopped such nonsense. Ireland stopped it just in the last few years. Most of Europe has such, and if not they are in the process of stopping it.
If we have a guest worker program when they finally do the immigration reform, we cant allow in millions more "temp workers" dropping babies to then become permanent anchor babies. If they are allowed in they must remain "under the jurisdiction" of their home countries and unavailable for birthright citizenship per the amendment language.
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Obdicut Sat, May 29, 2010 2:09:51pm |
re: #426 rich7041
The guys working for the landscaper off the books would still be paying sales tax on everything they buy-- and their kids, as American citizens, would be paying all the normal taxes that an American citizen pays. If you want to stop off-the-book employment of illegal aliens, look to the companies hiring them, not the people taking the jobs. It's really hard for me to get fired up about disliking someone because they're working a job for less than someone else will, enduring worse conditions. That mainly makes me feel sympathy for them.
Also, you apparently have no clue what 'off the grid' means, since it really doesn't mean ten people to an apartment.
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nekama Sat, May 29, 2010 3:11:43pm |
Just being born here shouldn't necessarily entitle one to citizenship. Children should take on the same status as their parents.
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Obdicut Sat, May 29, 2010 3:26:42pm |
re: #429 nekama
Just being born here shouldn't necessarily entitle one to citizenship. Children should take on the same status as their parents.
Why? Why shouldn't children born here, instead, have to take a citizenship test the same as immigrants, for example, instead?
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 4:41:19am |
re: #423 Obdicut
Yes, they have, in fact.
Why do you know so little about subjects you apparently care so much about, Rogue?
Why do you have to be such an ass with piss poor reading comprehension lately? Your woman dump you or something? You have been full of nothing but unrighteous snark with me for weeks. If I've done something to piss you off maybe it's time to move on.
FTA linked above:
The meaning was tested again in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) regarding children of non-citizen Chinese immigrants born in United States. The court ruled that the children were U.S. citizens.[10]
The difference between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants was not clear at the time of the decision of Wong Kim Ark.[11] Wong Kim Ark and subsequent cases did not explicitly decide whether such children are entitled to birthright citizenship via the amendment,[12] but such birthright is generally assumed to be the case.[13] In some cases, the Court has implicitly assumed, or suggested in dicta, that such children are entitled to birthright citizenship: these include Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), and INS v. Rios-Pineda, 471 U.S. 444 (1985).[14][15][16]
Notice the word "assumed"? That's what you did. The question of whether the children of "Illegal immigrants" has not been explicitly answered by the USSC.
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