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And I submit, Monsieur Ballon, that you arrived home, found Miguel with Maria Gambrelli, and killed him in a rit of fealous jage!
— Inspector Clouseau, A Shot in the Dark
531 comments
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Four More Tears Sat, May 29, 2010 10:38:10pm |
For heaven's sake, this isn't Germany. The American media, and perhaps the public, want a president who hugs, weeps and waves his arms, an emoter-in-chief, not a tip-top civil servant.
My advice for the president would come straight from Private Eye.
"Produce small onion."
I'd be deeply offended if it weren't so true.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 29, 2010 10:43:24pm |
I'm heading out to a late night visit to the emergency vet hospital.
Wish me luck
/Namaste, y'all
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, May 29, 2010 10:49:29pm |
Colonel Mustard did it in the conservatory with a pipe wrench!
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swamprat Sat, May 29, 2010 10:55:43pm |
He had a minkee.
A what?!
A minkee, A small circus animal.
And you did not arrest him?!
The minkee was not doing anything illegal.
He was the lookout for the bankrobbers, you imbecile!
How could a minkee be a lookout for a gang of robbers? He must be very well trained!
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Bagua Sat, May 29, 2010 11:01:12pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, May 29, 2010 11:07:20pm |
re: #7 Bagua
That is what I have been saying you Idiot!
[Video]Does your dog bite?
The "does your dog bite" is one of my absolute favorites!
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reine.de.tout Sat, May 29, 2010 11:09:30pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
I'm heading out to a late night visit to the emergency vet hospital.
Wish me luck
/Namaste, y'all
oh hell.
hope it all ends up OK.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, May 29, 2010 11:10:22pm |
"A Shot in the Dark"
Mmmm...Elke Sommer back in 1964...hot, hot, hot...
I'll uhh, be right back, five, ten minutes tops... ;)
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UncleSam Sat, May 29, 2010 11:11:37pm |
"When I go to the theater, I want to be taken out of myself.
I don't want to see rape and lust and incest and sodomy.
I can get all that at home."
From "The Royal Box," by the Beyond the Fringe comedy review, featuring Peter Cook and Dudley Moore.
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Bagua Sat, May 29, 2010 11:19:25pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
I'm heading out to a late night visit to the emergency vet hospital.
Wish me luck
/Namaste, y'all
Good luck.
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Bagua Sat, May 29, 2010 11:20:55pm |
re: #8 reine.de.tout
They just surfaced another robot, but cut it off at the surface. Bastards. We don't get to see Red Jacket Guy again.
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Cato the Elder Sat, May 29, 2010 11:29:03pm |
I have been so felous at times it verges on the felonious.
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Bagua Sat, May 29, 2010 11:32:42pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, May 29, 2010 11:33:32pm |
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UncleSam Sat, May 29, 2010 11:33:47pm |
When I just looked up that "Royal Box" skit on Youtube, the lines I had quoted above had been excised.
But I have the original LP, and they're on that.
So it goes.
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Bagua Sat, May 29, 2010 11:36:25pm |
re: #18 Cato the Elder
Oh God help us all.
At this point we seem reliant on Robots who drop saws.
(Saw drop at 6 min, oops)
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UncleSam Sat, May 29, 2010 11:39:58pm |
re: #20 Cato the Elder
As Vonnegut was wont to say.
Actually, that phrase comes in handy a whole lot.
Vonnegut's where I picked it up.
So it goes...
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Cato the Elder Sat, May 29, 2010 11:43:33pm |
I'm so mad.
I'm mad at BP because I probably ate the last affordable "Baltimore" crabs (which mostly come from Louisiana) this evening.
I'm mad because Dennis Hopper died of ass cancer.
I'm mad because next week Pat Buchanan will again be a paid guest on "Meet the Press", and none of the assholes will ask him why his website sports articles by people who think Israel was behind 9/11.
I'm mad because the grrrls I meet on the street think my dog is cuter than I am.
I'm mad.
I'm so mad, I'm gonna go out and [censored] [deleted].
And I'm gonna take Muhammad with me, too!
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, May 29, 2010 11:49:34pm |
re: #21 Bagua
At this point we seem reliant on Robots who drop saws.
[Video](Saw drop at 6 min, oops)
Kinda like being a Leper only worse, no tactile feedback and only 2D video with a slight delay to judge your actions by.
Those remote operators deserve a raise at the very least. They have been doing hell of a job, and one that no one has ever been trained for or rehearsed.
/I'd really like to see you do it without "dropping the saw" attachment even once... :p
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freetoken Sat, May 29, 2010 11:50:20pm |
re: #23 Cato the Elder
I'm mad because the grrrls I meet on the street think my dog is cuter than I am.
At least you have a noticeably cute dog... as opposed to this thing.
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Bagua Sat, May 29, 2010 11:53:50pm |
BP Spokesman explains prior accident.
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Cato the Elder Sat, May 29, 2010 11:59:00pm |
re: #22 UncleSam
Actually, that phrase comes in handy a whole lot.
Vonnegut's where I picked it up.
So it goes...
My grandpa had a better one.
"'Twas ever thus."
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tigger2005 Sat, May 29, 2010 11:59:37pm |
Thanks for posting that, "Does your dug bite?" is one of my fave Pink Panther scenes ever. The vacuum cleaner scene was the one that nearly made me laugh my lungs out as a kid, though.
Peter Sellers=Genius.
re: #7 Bagua
That is what I have been saying you Idiot!
[Video]
Does your dog bite?
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 12:00:06am |
re: #25 ausador
Man, are you a robotics apologist? I demand them not drop saws with the bloody smoke monster destroying the Gulf. Is that too much to ask?
Keep a firm grip on the saw, a million people are watching on live TV! (The BP PR chief must be suicidal at this point.)
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 12:02:47am |
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Ojoe Sun, May 30, 2010 12:05:03am |
"I have saved your doorbell from ze ringing."
*******
"I will have to arrest your minkee."
Etc.
******
Good night all.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 12:12:08am |
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, May 30, 2010 12:12:26am |
re: #29 tigger2005
Thanks for posting that, "Does your dug bite?" is one of my fave Pink Panther scenes ever. The vacuum cleaner scene was the one that nearly made me laugh my lungs out as a kid, though.
Peter Sellers=Genius.
So your saying that Peter Sellers was better than Steve martin in the recent remakes?
/(don't hurt me, I was only joking) Duhh.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 12:13:21am |
Damn, it's late, and only fifteen Lizard on board. Including Cheechako, who never, ever posts anything.
Boa noite.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 12:14:49am |
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swamprat Sun, May 30, 2010 12:16:21am |
re: #36 Cato the Elder
Damn, it's late, and only fifteen Lizard on board. Including Cheechako, who never, ever posts anything.
Boa noite.
Portuguese is not good enough for a clever reply.
Good night, Cato.
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Cheechako Sun, May 30, 2010 12:19:21am |
re: #36 Cato the Elder
Damn, it's late, and only fifteen Lizard on board. Including Cheechako, who never, ever posts anything.
Boa noite.
I just enthralled with all the wisdom posted here.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 12:19:44am |
Ooh. Weasel just showed up. I may have to stick around for a minute.
So, Ice: what do you think about American college boys who go off to Yurp and keep poetastical journals about the grrrls they screw while marking time before they start their jobs on Wall Street?
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 12:21:47am |
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Cheechako Sun, May 30, 2010 12:24:14am |
re: #41 Bagua
Don't tell Cato but I spent 2 years in the Army protecting Baltimore. Stationed at Ft. Holabird.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 12:27:59am |
re: #40 Cato the Elder
I was unable to fathom the registration for the Portuguese site. It keeps saying I don't exist, and yet here I am
Esse utilizador não existe.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, May 30, 2010 12:30:32am |
I'm not sure that Inspector Clouseau was straight, there was footage uncovered recently by James O'Keefe during an undercover sting operation funded by Andrew Breitbart that uncovered this footage...
Which of course begs the question, just how close are Cato and Inspector Clouseau really?
/
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 12:33:58am |
re: #42 Cheechako
Don't tell Cato but I spent 2 years in the Army protecting Baltimore. Stationed at Ft. Holabird.
Heh. You can't hide from me.
Protecting Baltimore from what? The rats as big as cats?
Didn't work.
Still, thank you, and I'm glad you were here.
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Cheechako Sun, May 30, 2010 12:37:13am |
re: #46 Cato the Elder
A great post to be stationed. Spent many Saturday nights "patrolling the Block" on East Baltimore Street.
I hear all the fun spots are now long gone.
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laZardo Sun, May 30, 2010 12:39:01am |
Gonna take a nap.
And remember, your life doesn't suck as bad as you think.
Happy Memorial Day Weekend, and will someone check to see if Google finally got around to commemorating it because I get Google.Philippines. >_>
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 12:41:12am |
The small yellow robot is sawing away at bits on the BOP in preparation for the riser decapitation.
Saw and awe.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 12:41:21am |
re: #47 Cheechako
A great post to be stationed. Spent many Saturday nights "patrolling the Block" on East Baltimore Street.
I hear all the fun spots are now long gone.
They not be gone, they just be moved.
If you want to visit, just let me know.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, May 30, 2010 12:43:32am |
re: #46 Cato the Elder
Heh. You can't hide from me.
Protecting Baltimore from what? The rats as big as cats?
Didn't work.
Still, thank you, and I'm glad you were here.
I just now got some shots of a Possum walking/chewing on the main cable line in front of mom and dad's condo. They have replaced the line twice now and refused to believe me that it was a Possum causing the damage. Now let them deny this...
/we may not have rats as big as cats but we have Possums that are even bigger. :p
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 12:45:31am |
The Mother of All Saws being tested, diamond wire meets pipe.
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Cheechako Sun, May 30, 2010 12:45:39am |
re: #50 Cato the Elder
I'd like to visit someday. But looking at Google Earth the Army base is now just a bunch of warehouses. Property too valuable for an Army base.
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Cheechako Sun, May 30, 2010 12:55:17am |
Twilight has arrived. Time to call it a night.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 1:04:36am |
Iff'n y'all wanna see a good movie with Dennis Hopper playing against type, try "Carried Away".
Good night, old friend of my movie days. Good night, and requiescas in pace.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 1:38:50am |
re: #16 Cato the Elder
Heh. Meant to say "jelonious".
There's nothing left for you now except to become a Monk and play jazz.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 1:49:39am |
re: #34 Gus 802
[Video]
Meantime, for those with a bit of wherewithal and the leisure to go with it:
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 1:52:28am |
re: #42 Cheechako
Don't tell Cato but I spent 2 years in the Army protecting Baltimore. Stationed at Ft. Holabird.
Should have let the Russians have it. Would have given Cato the opportunity to learn another language.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 1:56:43am |
Heh. I've got the thread all to myself.
(considers the possibilities.)
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 1:59:06am |
re: #58 ryannon
Should have let the Russians have it. Would have given Cato the opportunity to learn another language.
Oh, snaps!
As it happens, my first non-ancient foreign language was Russian.
чëрт вас возьми!
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 2:03:50am |
Ah, thread not dead.
Cato lives, and posts on.
Soon be dawn in tired old Baltimore
Another day, another grimy dollar.
New York City, Hoboken, Peoria....
That I can understand. But how
Does one end up in Baltimore?
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steve Sun, May 30, 2010 2:09:44am |
"Never go up aginst a Sicilian when death is on the line!"
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 30, 2010 2:21:04am |
re: #60 Cato the Elder
Oh, snaps!
As it happens, my first non-ancient foreign language was Russian.
чëрт вас возьми!
не ругайте!
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 2:21:24am |
Open your eyes, Wingnut Honcos!
You'll never see anything like this again.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 2:47:58am |
With no good news on the BP front, I wonder if I should get out now while the getting out is good. I fear very little, but this has me in it's grips.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 2:58:22am |
re: #66 ryannon
Open your eyes, Wingnut Honcos!
You'll never see anything like this again.
Dayamn!
And you notice, most of the French guys don't even care.
Because they get that every day.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 3:03:15am |
Not exactly Jackie Kennedy, but a First Lady just the same....
She's quite something: elegant, aristocratic and street-wise. Sarkozy totally lucked out.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 3:27:01am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, May 30, 2010 3:31:47am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, May 30, 2010 3:32:28am |
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Jadespring Sun, May 30, 2010 3:33:02am |
So I'm up early so I can leave just after seven to drive for an hour and half to attend a family breakfast meeting. Tried to get them to come a little closer to my location but it's no go. At least they changed it from 8 to 9:30 am.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, May 30, 2010 3:34:07am |
re: #77 Jadespring
So I'm up early so I can leave just after seven to drive for an hour and half to attend a family breakfast meeting. Tried to get them to come a little closer to my location but it's no go. At least they changed it from 8 to 9:30 am.
I've been up since 5. Don't talk to me about early!!
//
Enjoy your breakfast meeting!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 3:34:52am |
re: #77 Jadespring
Order the Vodka. Heh. Extra olives.
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Jadespring Sun, May 30, 2010 3:35:35am |
re: #78 rwdflynavy
I've been up since 5. Don't talk to me about early!!
//Enjoy your breakfast meeting!
I'll try but unfortunately it's about dealing with a family problem (my sister) rather just a fun visit sort of thing.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 3:40:16am |
The ultimate Goth group.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, May 30, 2010 3:46:22am |
re: #80 Jadespring
I'll try but unfortunately it's about dealing with a family problem (my sister) rather just a fun visit sort of thing.
Sorry to hear that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, May 30, 2010 3:51:58am |
re: #81 ryannon
The ultimate Goth group.
I do this at karaoke! Floodland, one of the best records of all time :D
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 4:46:53am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 30, 2010 4:50:04am |
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 4:55:25am |
re: #85 HoosierHoops
I wish they would do away with the local TV blackout. The race is sold out a year in advance, putting it on local TV isn't going to hurt turnout.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 4:58:55am |
re: #88 RogueOne
I wish they would do away with the local TV blackout. The race is sold out a year in advance, putting it on local TV isn't going to hurt turnout.
I agree..But we get to see the race on TV tonight..And on the Radio live..
I'm not going to the race this year.. Too crowded...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 30, 2010 5:02:46am |
re: #89 HoosierHoops
No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded.
-Yogi Berra
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 5:02:57am |
re: #89 HoosierHoops
My neighbor has an old school satellite dish that picks up out of state channels. We usually have go over there for the race and party but this year I have family in town so I'm headed to the folks later. I might stop in and try to catch the start of the race.
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marsl Sun, May 30, 2010 5:08:41am |
re: #36 Cato the Elder
Damn, it's late, and only fifteen Lizard on board. Including Cheechako, who never, ever posts anything.
Boa noite.
Portuguese language rules the world. Your language will be replaced with portuguese language, soon. Very soon. Resistence is futile.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 5:09:17am |
So..I saw a commercial for beenverified.com to check out the background of somebody...Like somebody you would date or something...
So it's free for like 7 days or something..I put my own name in for the heck of it.
According to them I still live in Napa Valley..Sorry about your luck.. And the address for Saint Helena was wrong!
Other than that...It was right
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marsl Sun, May 30, 2010 5:10:36am |
re: #43 Bagua
I was unable to fathom the registration for the Portuguese site. It keeps saying I don't exist, and yet here I am
Esse utilizador não existe.
If you don't exist, you will not pay taxes!
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 5:16:20am |
More politicians exaggerating their military experiences:
Kirk made incorrect claim he was a Navy "Intelligence Officer of the Year"
[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]
Illinois GOP Senate nominee Rep. Mark Kirk--who is making his Navy service a centerpiece of his campaign--for years has been claiming an award he did not earn: "Intelligence Officer of the Year."Kirk, a commander in the Navy reserves who is an intelligence specialist corrected the record in a statement posted on his Senate campaign web site only last week.
"Upon a recent review of my records, I found that an award listed in my official biography was misidentified as 'Intelligence Officer of the Year.' In fact . . . I was the recipient of the Rufus Taylor Intelligence Unit of the Year award for outstanding support provided during Operation Allied Force," Kirk said. The award was given to his unit, not to him individually.
To his credit, at least he didn't claim he received the award while serving in Vietnam.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 5:23:38am |
More county officials suing Sheriff Joe Arpaio:
Judges file claims accusing Joe Arpaio, Andrew Thomas for abuse of power
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]
Two more judges joined a list of accusers Friday in filing a notice of claim against Sheriff Joe Arpaio and other Maricopa County officials over an alleged abuse of power.Maricopa County Superior Court Judges Barbara Mundell and former presiding-criminal Judge Anna Baca say they were two targets of Arpaio and former County Attorney Andrew Thomas' efforts to accuse multiple judges of bribery, obstructing justice and hindering prosecution.
The claim said Arpaio's actions were based on revenge against these judges for ruling against the sheriff in proceedings. While the cases against Mundell and Baca have been abandoned, the judges claim they have been defamed through "unjustly" accusation and have suffered lasting damage to their reputations.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 5:30:51am |
Hey everyone, just passing thru. Great gig last night. I think I got about 5 hours of sleep and I'm leaving soon for an eastern shore ride with my bike club. The seafood lunch after it's over should motivate me to finish 30 miles.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 5:33:26am |
re: #97 Mad Al-Jaffee
Hey everyone, just passing thru. Great gig last night. I think I got about 5 hours of sleep and I'm leaving soon for an eastern shore ride with my bike club. The seafood lunch after it's over should motivate me to finish 30 miles.
Good Morning Mad...Sounds like a great day! Don't forget the Indy 500 is on today.. For the first time in history there are 4 woman racing...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 30, 2010 5:36:06am |
re: #95 RogueOne
Wouldn't winning an "Spy of the Year" award, kind of blow your cover?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 5:36:08am |
re: #98 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Mad...Sounds like a great day! Don't forget the Indy 500 is on today.. For the first time in history there are 4 woman racing...
Must be shoes or handbags involved.
/
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 5:41:48am |
re: #100 Mad Al-Jaffee
Must be shoes or handbags involved.
/
Couple years ago I flew out my daughter Nikki from California for a week in May. We scored some pit passes from the suite and She got to meet Danica in Gasoline Alley.. I was very excited for my daughter to met Danica...
/proud dad
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:16:36am |
Zakir Naik, an Indian televangelist described as a “hate-monger” by moderate Muslims and one Tory MP, says western women make themselves “more susceptible to rape” by wearing revealing clothing.
Naik, who proselytises on Peace TV, a satellite television channel, is reported to have called for the execution of Muslims who change their faith, described Americans as “pigs” and said that “every Muslim should be a terrorist”.
In a recent lecture, he said he was “with” Osama Bin Laden over the attacks on “terrorist America”, adding that the 9/11 hijackings were an inside job by President George W Bush.
SNIP
According to reports in the Indian media, his organisation, the Islamic Research Foundation in Mumbai, was where Rahil Abdul Rehman Sheikh, suspected of being commander of a series of train bombings in Mumbai, and other alleged terrorists spent much of their time before the attacks.
The American terror suspect Najibullah Zazi, arrested last year for planning suicide attacks on the New York subway, is said to have been inspired by Naik’s YouTube videos. There is no suggestion Naik had any knowledge of terrorist plotting.
SNIP
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:18:37am |
Ceric called on all politicians to “refrain from judgements on the events of the war, especially those for which they were not called to testify”.
He called on Sulejman Tihic, the leader of main Muslim party, the Party of Democratic Action, to withdraw his earlier statement that "crimes were committed in Sarajevo in May 1992."
"A public statement that crimes were committed in Sarajevo's Dobrovoljacka Street...is unnecessary and is not in the spirit of the rule of law,“ Ceric said.
Ceric said he was acting "at the request of numerous Bosnian patriots who did what they had to do – defend the right to life and the honour of motherland.“
SNIP
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:05am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:28am |
Writing on his publisher’s blog, Mosab Hassan Yousef expressed his “outrage” and described what he called a "security system that is so primitive and naive that it endangers the lives of countless Americans." Yousef wrote that he faces a deportation hearing on June 30 at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Immigration Court in San Diego.
He questioned why he is being deported. “For what? For risking my life fighting terrorism in the Middle East for 10 years? For saving the lives of Israelis, Palestinians and Americans?"
His saga began in January, 2007 when he arrived at an American airport on a tourist visa without interference. “Seven months later, I went to the Homeland Security office, knocked on their door and told them, ‘Hey, guys, I am the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, my father is involved in a terrorist organization, and I would like political asylum in your country.'"
“They were shocked,” Yousef wrote on the blog. “I came to you and told you who I am to wake you up. I wanted them to see that they have huge gaps in their security and their understanding of terrorism and make changes before it’s too late.’
SNIP
He's been here 3.5 years and suddenly he's deemed to be a threat?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:25:35am |
The Telegraph quoted the Lerida mayor's office, as saying that the town could become the first in the country to ban the wearing of the burqa in municipal buildings.
The mayor's officer said that a proposal in this regard has been forwarded to the legal services department to look into the possibility of banning the garment in all public spaces in the name of the fundamental rights of women.
"We cannot regulate the usage of the burqa in the road, but we can do that in municipal buildings," the mayor's spokesman said.
SNIP
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 6:28:18am |
re: #107 MandyManners
He's been here 3.5 years and suddenly he's deemed to be a threat?
I think they're confusing him with Obama's Aunt in Boston.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:28:34am |
Lund district court convicted the man of assaulting the woman outside a supermarket in Landskrona. The attack caused her to fall over and sustain injuries to the back of her head that led to her death in hospital two days later. The 23-year-old was also found guilty of assaulting the woman’s 71-year-old husband.
The 23-year-old was also ordered by the court to pay 61,944 kronor ($8,000) in damages to the 78-year-old’s husband and her estate.
The Lund court said the 23-year-old would have faced a slightly longer sentence of two years had he not suffered from psychological problems. An examination carried out by the National Board of Forensic Medicine (Rättsmedicinalverket) found the he had long suffered from a form of constant anxiety and related stomach complaints which made him less well-equipped for jail than the majority of prisoners.
SNIP
Awww. Poor widdle baby.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:28:56am |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 6:33:51am |
Good Morning LGF.
The fishing was lousy this morning.
Obviously, AGW is to blame.
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Steve Sun, May 30, 2010 6:34:04am |
re: #106 ryannon
re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wasn't that written by Paul Anka?
Close, Paul Inca.
I believe it was first recorded by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. It is on side B right after "Having My Baby."
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 6:34:14am |
re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wasn't that written by Paul Anka?
Can you believe that he's still giving concerts? There's one coming up in Paris in a few weeks.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 6:34:48am |
re: #112 Spare O'Lake
Good Morning LGF.
The fishing was lousy this morning.
Obviously, AGW is to blame.
Did you use enough beer?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:36:26am |
The attacks against the Ahmadi community occurred minutes apart Friday in two neighborhoods in the eastern city of Lahore. Two teams of gunmen, including some in suicide vests, stormed the mosques and sprayed bullets at worshippers while holding off police.
At least two of the seven attackers were captured, while some died in the standoff.
Local TV channels had been reporting that the Pakistani Taleban, or one of their affiliates, had claimed responsibility for the attack.
Senior police officer Akram Naeem in Lahore said their interrogation of one of the arrested suspects revealed that the gunmen were involved with the Pakistani Taleban, which has staged attacks across the country for years. The 17-year-old suspect told police that the men had trained in the North Waziristan tribal region.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 6:36:30am |
re: #112 Spare O'Lake
Good Morning LGF.
The fishing was lousy this morning.
Obviously, AGW is to blame.
Good Morning! It's race day at Indy..I'm blogging from the Deck..Radio is on..The pool is inviting and and grill is hot... Breakfast? I'm doing eggs
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:39:06am |
Extremists belonging to outlawed outfits like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Jaish-e-Muhammad and Sipah-e-Sahaba received training in Pakistan's northwestern Waziristan tribal region and have now formally joined Taliban and Al Qaeda, Malik said.
'They had been in hiding in southern parts of Punjab and now have surfaced and expanded their terror network upto Balochistan province,' Malik was quoted as saying by Xinhua.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 6:39:25am |
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 6:40:15am |
re: #117 HoosierHoops
Good Morning! It's race day at Indy..I'm blogging from the Deck..Radio is on..The pool is inviting and and grill is hot... Breakfast? I'm doing eggs
Almost sounds good enough to get me out of bed.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:41:25am |
Jahanzeb Khan, a local administrator, says the attacks on Sunday targeted militants in the Orakzai tribal region who had fled from an army offensive last year in nearby South Waziristan.
Khan says two soldiers were killed in Orakzai on Saturday night when their vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb.
Nasim Shah, an administrator in the neighbouring Kurram tribal area, says militants also opened fire on a passenger vehicle on Sunday, killing two women and wounding four other people.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 6:41:47am |
re: #119 Spare O'Lake
The walleye don't drink before noon - local by-law.
You fish Walleye? I love fishing Walleye!
Try Leaches...Works all the time...I fish at Lake Tomahawk, Wi.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 6:44:04am |
re: #117 HoosierHoops
Good Morning! It's race day at Indy..I'm blogging from the Deck..Radio is on..The pool is inviting and and grill is hot... Breakfast? I'm doing eggs
Hi there big fellah, thanks for the breakfast invitation. Fresh squeezed OJ, bacon and two eggs scrambled, whole wheat toast with butter, home fries and a fresh ground decaf espresso would be great!
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:44:33am |
Also known as dry run, this trial exercise is a rehearsal of a military's combat skills without the use of live ammunition, influential 'Dawn' newspaper said in a dispatch from Washington.
Quoting diplomatic sources, it said the trial run for a unilateral strike in Pakistan, however, did not involve US troops.
"Instead, it projected computer simulations of such an attack with an assessment of a possible counterattack and of the potential resistance US troops might face if they entered the Pakistani soil," the report said.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 6:46:51am |
re: #123 Spare O'Lake
Hi there big fellah, thanks for the breakfast invitation. Fresh squeezed OJ, bacon and two eggs scrambled, whole wheat toast with butter, home fries and a fresh ground decaf espresso would be great!
decaf? Decaf? Decaf!
There ought to be a law!
Where do you fish for Walleye?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:47:12am |
Extremists mocked up a ticket for the game splashed with blood and produced a map of South Africa with six cities ringed to indicate other targets.The threats were made in Arabic on a secret website used by Al Qaeda.
Dutch footballing authorities have already banned their players’ partners from travelling to South Africa because of a threat against their squad.
And last week, the US State Department warned there was a “heightened risk” of an attack during the World Cup and urged all its citizens going to South Africa to sign up to an alert system.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 6:51:37am |
re: #94 marsl
If you don't exist, you will not pay taxes!
No way! A fellow benfiquista on LGF? Are my eyes playing tricks on me?
CAMPEÕES, CAMPEÕES, NÓS SO-MOS CAM-PE-ÕES!!!!
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 6:53:35am |
I searched Google News (as we all know, controlled by Zionist computers) for 'Christian violence' just to keep things on an even keel here. Unfortunately, and other than a couple of Christian sheep-herders killed a couple of Muslim sheep-herders in Nigeria, all the rest of the stories were about church groups building houses in the aftermath of attacks of religious persecution; Indian Christians turning the proverbial other cheek despite religious persecution; the all-time spike in the killing of Church workers in 2009, and so on.
Anyone with any news (the Crusades and the Reformation is a little old) is free to contribute to what I hope will become an ongoing Mandy-style roundup of religious intolerance/violence news.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:53:56am |
The goal of U.S.-led NATO forces will be to avoid inspiring support for the Taliban even as the coalition tries to root them out when the Kandahar operation begins in earnest next month.
The ancient silk road city - a dust-covered, impoverished jumble of one- and two-story concrete and mud brick - may not look like much of a prize.
But Kandahar, with a population of more than a million, was once the Taliban's informal capital and an al-Qaida stronghold. It has served for centuries as a smuggler's crossroads and trading hub linking southern Afghanistan to the Indian subcontinent.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 6:55:48am |
re: #122 HoosierHoops
You fish Walleye? I love fishing Walleye!
Try Leaches...Works all the time...I fish at Lake Tomahawk, Wi.
I fish walleye, northern pike, smallmouth, largemouth and/or muskellunge. Walleye is my favourite eating fish.
The favoured live bait for walleye up here are shiner minnows and dew worms. I usually use soft plastic lures on a jighead.
I've never fished Wi - how're the balck flies and mosquitoes up there?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:56:12am |
No official announcement was made yet on the decision but the Daily Star newspaper quoted an unnamed Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) official as saying that "part of the reason (of blocking the network) is the posting of some anti-religious and porn links by users across the globe".
"We have blocked all access to Facebook temporarily... It was done in line with a decision of government high-ups," the official said, adding some users had posted anti-Islamic content about Prophet Mohammad, which the government took seriously.
Earlier, the state-run BSS news agency yesterday said that the BTRC action came hours after elite anti-crime Rapid Action Battalion troops arrested a "cyber criminal" in the city on charges of posting "objectionable, disfigured and satirical photographs" of several government leaders using different accounts.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 6:58:25am |
re: #131 MandyManners
Don't look to the BHO administration for help, Banladeshis. It's caved.
The United States, he said, was against any “deliberate attempt to offend Muslims” and respected their right to practise their faith as they willed.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 6:58:50am |
re: #130 Spare O'Lake
I fish walleye, northern pike, smallmouth, largemouth and/or muskellunge. Walleye is my favourite eating fish.
The favoured live bait for walleye up here are shiner minnows and dew worms. I usually use soft plastic lures on a jighead.
I've never fished Wi - how're the balck flies and mosquitoes up there?
The North Country is great for fishing Walleye...
Try Leaches..Walleye love the smell...
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 6:58:59am |
Man says police wrongly shot medical aid dog
[Link: www.whas11.com...]
(WHAS11) -- Police say that the incident has already been thoroughly investigated and it has been determined that officers did nothing wrongBut it’s somewhat a case of whose story do you believe….a pet owner who says he lost his medical assistance dog, or police who say they did what they had to while responding to a call.
When the S.O.P. is to shoot any dog that barks of course the "investigation" is going to clear the officers.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 7:00:00am |
re: #125 HoosierHoops
decaf? Decaf? Decaf!
There ought to be a law!
Where do you fish for Walleye?
French River/Lake Nippissing are my fave walleye waters.
Mostly, though, I fish on Spare O'Lake, of course!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 7:00:36am |
The Little green football prayer list
Memorial Day edition
Dear Lord… This Morning we pray for all our Fallen Heroes.. Those that gave the full measure of their life for our Country..
From Beaches in faraway countries
To jungles in Hell
To our Fathers that saved Europe
To all the doctors and nurses that tended the wounded
To all our Airmen that that flew with you as Co-Pilot
To all that died on some forgotten Island in the middle of nowhere.
To all of Sailors we pray oh Lord
To all our brave Marines.. Give them strength as they provide us Freedom every day.
Esp. the 3/5th Marines..
We remember the Blessings and the memory of our fallen heroes today.
We pray Oh Mighty God for the Families that have grieved for lost love ones.
Dry their tears.. Comfort their hearts..Write their names into the Book of Life
We thank all our Veterans today.. We remember you..We pray for you.
We pray today for the Southern Coast of America and for all those whose lives are affected by the oil spill. We pray for the environment that is being damaged.
We pray for Roi this morning…Because of the Oil spill he may be out of work.. Find him work we pray.
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I'd appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Dear Lord..We pray for SFZ this morning:
Her friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
Lizard prayers for Beau Biden.
We pray for all our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom.. Comfort the families Dear Lord this morning…
Give strength to all our Armed Forces serving at home or abroad …America thanks you.
God Bless President Obama and his family…
God Bless Israel.. Continue to bless her with prosperity and strength…The land of Milk and Honey…
Thank you Lord..
Amen
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:04:21am |
The Israeli Navy previously has stopped similar attempts, on a smaller scale, and it has taken precautions to try to avoid a public relations disaster. The activists, who are backed by Turkey and extremist elements, are using emotional gimmicks to promote their cause and are telecasting live from the boats.
They hope that Israel’s stopping a ship with an elderly Holocaust survivor and a shipment that includes wheelchairs will win them sympathy in the face of the Navy plan to force the boats to dock at Ashdod. “You have to think hard about trying to stop ships carrying journalists, parliamentarians and activists, “said Greta Berlin, a spokeswoman for the “Free Gaza” movement. “We have an 85-year-old Holocaust survivor on one of our ships. A lot of the activists are over the age of 60. This wouldn’t be a fair fight."
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Neither is launching rockets at civilians in Sderot, you fucking moron.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:07:15am |
The boycott began more than a year ago, prompted by tension over the Israeli military operation in Gaza, but since the start of 2010 the number of Israelis vacationing in Turkey has risen by 18%. The aid flotilla and reports that Turkey's Islamist ruling party is cooperating with Hamas in its organization have made the boycott newly relevant to Israeli worker organizations.
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The First International Bank of Israel has already made its decision. "The flotilla to Gaza has put paid to the possibility of sending employees to Turkey in an organized manner," FIBI union chairman Yona Goldschlager said. He noted that 600 FIBI executives are about to vacation together in Crete, despite the greater expense compared to Turkey. He said the union's policy for mini-vacations for bank employees this summer is "anywhere but Turkey."
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:09:41am |
The action plan stressed the "importance" of Israel joining the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty but did not mention Iran's expanding atomic program, the Israeli government noted.
The agreement, reached a day earlier, had put U.S. officials in an awkward position: Rejecting it would have spelled failure for a month-long conference on the NPT, which has curbed the spread of nuclear weapons for 40 years. But accepting it created a new source of tension between the allies, just days before a visit to Washington by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.
In a statement Saturday, the Israeli government called the plan "deeply flawed," adding that "it ignores the realities of the Middle East and the real threats facing the region and the entire world."
The plan "singles out Israel, the Middle East's only true democracy and the only country threatened with annihilation," the statement said. "Yet the terrorist regime in Iran, which is racing to develop nuclear weapons and which openly threatens to wipe Israel off the map, is not even mentioned."
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:12:17am |
re: #104 MandyManners
Hopefully May reverses letting him in. I'd also hope the Lib-Dems make an issue out of anti-terror measures and collapse the government. This coalition is unnatural.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:13:01am |
Both Ma'ariv and Yediot Aharonot reported this week that Democratic congressmen and senators are deeply concerned that the administration's harsh treatment of Israel has convinced many American Jews not to contribute to their campaigns or to the Democratic Party ahead of November 2's mid-term elections. They also fear that American Jews will vote for Republican challengers in large numbers.
It is these concerns, rather than a decision to alter his positions on Israel specifically and the Middle East generally, that now drive Obama's relentless courtship of the American Jewish community. His latest move in this sphere was his sudden invitation to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to visit him at the White House for a "warm reception" in front of television cameras next Tuesday.
It is clear that electoral worries rather than policy concerns are behind what the White House has described as a "charm offensive," because since launching this offensive a few weeks ago, Obama not changed any of his policies towards Israel and the wider Middle East. In fact, he has ratcheted up these policies to Israel's detriment.
TAKE HIS goal of ridding the world of nuclear weapons. On Friday, the UN's monthlong Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference is scheduled to adopt a consensual resolution before adjourning. According to multiple media reports, Israel is set to be the focus of the draft resolution that will likely be adopted.
SNIP
So while Iran is not mentioned in the draft resolution - which must be adopted by consensus - in two separate places, Israel's purported nuclear arsenal is the target of an international diplomatic stampede.
SNIP
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:13:52am |
re: #134 RogueOne
Man says police wrongly shot medical aid dog
[Link: www.whas11.com...]When the S.O.P. is to shoot any dog that barks of course the "investigation" is going to clear the officers.
Why do you think they have that policy?
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Political Atheist Sun, May 30, 2010 7:15:50am |
re: #93 HoosierHoops
It's date Fax! (Like car faz fins out about the wreck your potential used car might be)
I guess it's a good idea but I got a low level beep on my creep out meter.
Good morning all!
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Political Atheist Sun, May 30, 2010 7:16:52am |
re: #143 Rightwingconspirator
Oh PIMF! Too early. Car FAX finds...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:17:07am |
re: #139 MandyManners
Once again, we have a plan that attacks our best friends and ignores our worst enemies. Obama is a fool to endorse it.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 7:18:15am |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
Why do you think they have that policy?
because they're not as manly as my mailman./
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 7:20:03am |
re: #144 Rightwingconspirator
Oh PIMF! Too early. Car FAX finds...
LOL
How the heck are you this Morning? It's race day at Indy!
Beautiful day...What can I get you for Breakfast? The Boys will be by soon...
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:20:28am |
Four possible responses are commonly discussed in dealing with Iran:
engagement, sanctions, military strikes, and deterrence. Engagement has been tried, especially since the onset of the Obama administration (and previously by European governments) but so far has not yielded the desired results. Sanctions are deemed an unreliable tool, as some nations, especially China, have so far refused to authorize them. Also, sanctions, in the past, have often been readily circumvented and have not generated the sought-after effect, even when imposed on nations that are more vulnerable than Iran, such as Cuba and Syria. And sanctions may help solidify the regime in place and subdue democratic opposition. Military strikes are said to be likely to fail. As Defense Secretary Robert Gates stated on 13 April 2009, “Militarily, in my view, it [a bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities] would delay the Iranian program for some period of time, but only delay it, probably only one to three years.”Hence the growing interest in deterrence, that is, in tolerating a nuclear-armed Iran but keeping it at bay by threatening retaliation in kind should it use its nuclear weapons. Although the Obama administration has not formally embraced this position, several observers believe that this is the direction it is headed.
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It's in .pdf format and it's long but, it's worth the read.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:22:17am |
re: #146 RogueOne
because they're not as manly as my mailman./
Well, whatever the reason this incident is not going to change anything. The deck is very heavily stacked in favor of the police, and I don't see that changing, nor frankly do I want it to. To change things would likely cripple the cops under a flood of lawsuits, and I'd rather be shot dead myself than allow that to happen.
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Political Atheist Sun, May 30, 2010 7:25:13am |
re: #147 HoosierHoops
Good for you! Someday I'm going. I hope Danica has a good day.
I'm working today, video shoot for Studio11. So Indy goes on my DVR. But the result will be worthwhile, a video that shows everyone how much value is really in their scrap gold. Too many sharks working that action.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:25:38am |
While there is no denying that mutual suspicion, fear and misunderstanding between Islamic and Western societies has been increasing since the beginning of the new millennium, specifically after the September 11 terrorist attacks of 2001, political scientists and experts continue to stress that it is not a clash driven by civilizations but by extremists who continue to exploit the instability and differences between the world's cultures.
In an attempt to create a forum which promotes understanding, tolerance and respect between diverse ethnic and religious groups, and therefore deny the flames of extremism some of their fuel, the United Nations created the Alliance of Civilizations (AoC).
SNIP
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 7:26:19am |
re: #149 Dark_Falcon
Well, whatever the reason this incident is not going to change anything. The deck is very heavily stacked in favor of the police, and I don't see that changing, nor frankly do I want it to. To change things would likely cripple the cops under a flood of lawsuits, and I'd rather be shot dead myself than allow that to happen.
If this were a rare event I'd agree with you but it's not. It's a daily occurrence where an officer shoots a dog that didn't do anything other than bark. Then, to shield themselves from the lawsuit, they have an investigation that clears the officer of any wrong doing and lay the blame for every shooting on the dog owners.
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Semper Fi Sun, May 30, 2010 7:26:35am |
Good morning lizards,
We're expecting 90 temps today. Perfect.
Nightmare just before waking at 6am. Dreamed I walked into the garage from the kitchen door, clicked the light on and noticed a family of rats (mom, dad, and little ones) walking en masse across the floor (I've managed to put off cleaning the garage for some time now) so, being quick and just a little clever, I hit the button to open the big garage door as they were marching in that direction. They marched out. There was a little smile on my face as the door slowly started its descent after them. Still descending, a big rabbit was going by and came in. The door closed and it was just me and the rabbit. I thought, "Look at the size of that thing." Must have weighed 100lbs. it noticed me and slowly came in my direction. Then, its appearance seemed downright confrontational so I reached for the door knob to exit into the kitchen. That's when I woke up. I guess I should clean the garage. I'll put it on my list. Its not easy being a guy.
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Political Atheist Sun, May 30, 2010 7:27:03am |
re: #148 MandyManners
I have not looked but I hope you are putting this stuff in Pages too. I'm starting to like lurking over there when the topic at hand is played out.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:27:59am |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
Once again, we have a plan that attacks our best friends and ignores our worst enemies. Obama is a fool to endorse it.
The group was created in 2006 to find ways to bridge the growing divide between Muslim and Western societies – a goal wholeheartedly embraced by President Barack Obama, who has redirected American foreign policy in pursuit of the same goal.
SNIP
However, the Alliance has been anything but cooperative when it comes to improving understanding of issues relating to the security of Israel's and United States' civilians.
The group claimed in its first report in 2006 that global tensions were driven primarily by the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. The same report referred to “a perception among Muslim societies of unjust aggression stemming from the West” in a discussion relating to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States by the international Al Qaeda terrorist group.
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At the time, the U.S. boycotted the group, expressing concerns that it would become a forum for bashing both Israel and the United States, in a manner similar to that of the U.N. Human Rights Council.
SNIP
Since his speech from Cairo last June, Obama has reached out to Iran and Syria, restoring full diplomatic relations with Damascus and returning an ambassador to the Syrian capital. The U.S. has also joined the anti-Israel U.N. Human Rights Commission. Both these moves are reversals of prior Bush administration decisions.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:28:34am |
re: #154 Rightwingconspirator
I have not looked but I hope you are putting this stuff in Pages too. I'm starting to like lurking over there when the topic at hand is played out.
I've tried to figure out how to do it but it's confusing.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:31:38am |
Merkel wants Germany to “help the Americans”, Focus weekly reported, saying Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere delivered that message to a recent meeting of officials from the chancellor’s Christian Democratic Union party.
The United States has most recently asked Germany to take in three detainees, reportedly a Syrian, a Palestinian and a Jordanian. It was not clear from the report how many detainees Merkel would be willing to accept.
De Maiziere along with local officials in Hamburg and the Brandenburg region have been looking at ways to facilitate detainees’ return to normal life, including helping them find jobs and housing, Focus reported.
There are also concerns about their psychological state following years of detention.
Several regional officials in Germany have opposed welcoming former Guantanamo detainees as long as the United States refused to allow them on its territory, the magazine said.
Germany last year refused a request to take in two ex-detainees after having already rejected a proposal to accept Chinese Uighur prisoners.
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Are the Uighurs still in Barbados?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:32:05am |
re: #152 RogueOne
If this were a rare event I'd agree with you but it's not. It's a daily occurrence where an officer shoots a dog that didn't do anything other than bark. Then, to shield themselves from the lawsuit, they have an investigation that clears the officer of any wrong doing and lay the blame for every shooting on the dog owners.
I know, I've read what you've been posting. I just don't know what to do about it that does not expose the cops to predatory lawsuits.
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Political Atheist Sun, May 30, 2010 7:32:05am |
re: #156 MandyManners
Yes, but only at first. I think you will love it after you set up the bookmarks.
The trick is put a shortcut for the bookmarklet on your toolbar next to your LGF icon/shortcut. When you click that marklet link the entry page pops up.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 7:32:34am |
re: #153 Semper Fi
Wow What a story...
I dreamed I had Insomnia..
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:34:52am |
The other scourge stalking the Earth, Communism.
More than 30 hours after a Mumbai-bound high-speed passenger train from Kolkata careened off the tracks in a remote part of West Bengal, emergency teams were still trying to cut their way into mangled compartments.
"So far, 90 bodies have been recovered,'' West Bengal police Inspector-General Surajit Kar Purakayastha said.
"But that's going to rise as two of the carriages that crashed into the freight train have yet to be fully searched,'' he said.
West Bengal's civil defence minister, Srikumar Mukherjee, said as many as 70 passengers were still missing.
It was the deadliest Maoist attack in recent memory and is likely to ramp up pressure on the government which has already been severely criticised for its handling of the left-wing insurgency.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:35:17am |
re: #159 Rightwingconspirator
Yes, but only at first. I think you will love it after you set up the bookmarks.
The trick is put a shortcut for the bookmarklet on your toolbar next to your LGF icon/shortcut. When you click that marklet link the entry page pops up.
I have no idea what you just said.
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Semper Fi Sun, May 30, 2010 7:36:25am |
re: #160 HoosierHoops
Wow What a story...
I dreamed I had Insomnia..
Morning Hoops,
Dreaming of Insomnia? I'm surprised I haven't done that one yet.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 7:37:09am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:37:37am |
So, too, are the inhabitants of 80 other towns and cities across India's dilapidated eastern state of West Bengal. Today's municipal elections are unlike any for decades: the Communists, who have held West Bengal's main towns almost without a break since the 1970s, are facing disaster. Kolkata, the capital of the state and the only major Indian metropolis currently held by the party, may be lost. This time defeat is likely to be definitive and could signal the beginning of the end for the Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPIM), which is among the biggest and oldest communist parties in the world.
Opposition politicians in the city of 15 million are confident of victory. "No doubt, no sweat, we will win in Calcutta by a thumping majority," claimed Partha Chatterjee, a leader of the All India Trinamool ("grassroots") Congress party (TMC), the main opposition locally. "We have support from the poor, the students, the middle class. People are oppressed, repressed. They have had enough. They want change."
SNIP
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Political Atheist Sun, May 30, 2010 7:38:04am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:38:22am |
re: #155 MandyManners
In a previous post, I expressed support for that decision by Obama. Upon further review, my support was misplaced, as the "Alliance of Civilizations" is a false and predatory organization and is hostile to the US. My support is hereby retracted.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 7:39:06am |
re: #158 Dark_Falcon
I know, I've read what you've been posting. I just don't know what to do about it that does not expose the cops to predatory lawsuits.
I'll absolutely agree that part of the problem is our societies sometimes over-zealousness to sue at the drop of a hat. My wife was in a 3 car accident last week, nothing major. She was hit from behind hard enough to shove her into the car in front of her and within days we had half a dozen fliers from lawyers touting their ability to get her cash in a lawsuit.
Honestly though I think a lot of the times the police shoot peoples dogs is because they can. 2 recent stories of dogs being shot. 1 (a 10 yr old lab) was in its own fenced in yard and the other (a beagle-cocker spaniel mix) was in its own living room.
[Link: www.mlive.com...]
[Link: www.dailyherald.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:40:45am |
re: #166 MandyManners
Good Riddance. They've done Calcutta very little good.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 7:41:21am |
re: #160 HoosierHoops
Wow What a story...
I dreamed I had Insomnia..
When I worked graveyard shift, I had a recurring sleep disturbance:
I'd dream I was at work, then realize that I was dreaming, and freak out because I wasn't supposed to fall asleep on the job, and would then jolt awake and then freak out because I wasn't at work, and so must have overslept and missed work, etc., etc.
In the end, I found it simpler to just work 7 days a week to avoid the confusion caused by days off.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 30, 2010 7:42:14am |
Hey Lizards! BBL
I'm jumping in the pool and won't be anywhere near the laptop for a while...
ye ha!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:43:05am |
re: #169 RogueOne
I'll absolutely agree that part of the problem is our societies sometimes over-zealousness to sue at the drop of a hat. My wife was in a 3 car accident last week, nothing major. She was hit from behind hard enough to shove her into the car in front of her and within days we had half a dozen fliers from lawyers touting their ability to get her cash in a lawsuit.
Honestly though I think a lot of the times the police shoot peoples dogs is because they can. 2 recent stories of dogs being shot. 1 (a 10 yr old lab) was in its own fenced in yard and the other (a beagle-cocker spaniel mix) was in its own living room.
[Link: www.mlive.com...]
[Link: www.dailyherald.com...]
How about this then; A better process for investigations, but if a cop is found to have wrongly shot a dog, his penalty is capped at a mild reprimand and the replacement cost of the dog. Allow a better process by capping the risk to the police.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:43:27am |
The poster is one of many anti-Stalin artworks that make up an exhibition that opened in Moscow this week aimed at commemorating the dictator's purges, and hitting back at what the organisers say is a rehabilitation of the despot in Russian society.The exhibition is part of a campaign organised by Snob, a magazine and internet site aimed at Russia's business and cultural elite, to raise awareness among Russians about Stalin's crimes. It abandons the ambivalent language of much official Russian discourse surrounding the Stalin period, and paints the dictator as an unequivocal villain. At the launch of the exhibition, 75 years to the day since a decree was signed establishing the "troikas" that were one of the key elements in Stalin's purges, people who lost relatives in the repression wore white ribbons bearing the names of the dead.
SNIP
The exhibition was prompted by a renewed pride in Stalin among Russians, which many say has been fostered by Russian authorities. Two years ago, the dictator came third in a television poll to name the greatest Russian of all time, and this year the Moscow mayoralty planned to display portraits of Stalin across the city as part of a celebration of the Soviet victory in the Second World War. The decision was rescinded only at the last minute.
"Five years ago, we thought this was all in the past," said Marat Guelman, who runs the gallery where the exhibition took place. "People who loved Stalin were just a few weirdos who hung out on the internet – like paedophiles, or cult members. But over the past five years there has been a strange mutation in society, and suddenly Stalin has become a symbol." He said it was important that Russians who know the truth about Stalin don't remain quiet, and begin to educate the masses.
SNIP
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 7:44:41am |
Seems to me, by the way, that things are going about as well as one could hope here in guadalupe county. Hotter'n hell - as it should be for this time of year - more humid than a fat man's armpits, and everyone waiting for the sun go down to head out and hit restaurants and bars.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:45:03am |
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Semper Fi Sun, May 30, 2010 7:45:08am |
re: #171 Guanxi88
When I worked graveyard shift, I had a recurring sleep disturbance:
I'd dream I was at work, then realize that I was dreaming, and freak out because I wasn't supposed to fall asleep on the job, and would then jolt awake and then freak out because I wasn't at work, and so must have overslept and missed work, etc., etc.
In the end, I found it simpler to just work 7 days a week to avoid the confusion caused by days off.
Very good.
"There are always problems and just as often there are solutions." (Seinfeld)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:45:40am |
re: #169 RogueOne
I'll absolutely agree that part of the problem is our societies sometimes over-zealousness to sue at the drop of a hat. My wife was in a 3 car accident last week, nothing major. She was hit from behind hard enough to shove her into the car in front of her and within days we had half a dozen fliers from lawyers touting their ability to get her cash in a lawsuit.
The one other thing I'll advise is that you make sure you've at least consulted a trust worthy lawyer in case you get sued.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:45:58am |
re: #168 Dark_Falcon
In a previous post, I expressed support for that decision by Obama. Upon further review, my support was misplaced, as the "Alliance of Civilizations" is a false and predatory organization and is hostile to the US. My support is hereby retracted.
It's hostile to liberty and civilization, too.
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Political Atheist Sun, May 30, 2010 7:46:56am |
re: #176 MandyManners
Well I think your collection of links and comments would make a good set of Pages.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 7:47:43am |
re: #177 Semper Fi
Very good.
"There are always problems and just as often there are solutions." (Seinfeld)
I ended up having my own union file a complaint on me. By working every single day from June 1 to November 25th one year, they estimated I put another worker out of a job. My explanation wasn't satisfactory to the shop steward, who said I just needed to invest in a calendar and more liquor.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:47:53am |
re: #174 MandyManners
I hope Mr. Guelman's insurance is paid up, because he's asking for one of the "accidents" that tend to befall people like him. Those who attack Russia's direction since Putin took power have tended to fare rather badly.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:49:13am |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 7:49:38am |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
I hope Mr. Guelman's insurance is paid up, because he's asking for one of the "accidents" that tend to befall people like him. Those who attack Russia's direction since Putin took power have tended to fare rather badly.
Good old Vladimir: Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:50:47am |
Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of tequila.
In the past month, crews of outlaws in a small armada of banged-up skiffs and high-powered bass boats launched from the Mexican shore have ambushed bass anglers from the Texas side innocently casting their plastic worms over favorite spots. The buccaneers have struck in Mexican waters but within sight of the Texas shore.
Dressed in black, the pirates brandish automatic weapons, carry radio cellphones and board the anglers' boats. They demand weapons or drugs from their captives, but finding neither, seem satisfied with taking $400 or $500 as booty, according to law enforcement officials and victims' accounts.
SNIP
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:51:14am |
re: #180 Rightwingconspirator
Well I think your collection of links and comments would make a good set of Pages.
Thank you! I'm gonna' figure it out.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:52:14am |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
I hope Mr. Guelman's insurance is paid up, because he's asking for one of the "accidents" that tend to befall people like him. Those who attack Russia's direction since Putin took power have tended to fare rather badly.
Putin's a thug. Not as big a thug as Stalin but, still a thug.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 7:52:55am |
re: #185 MandyManners
Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of tequila.
as Kragar would say....
crew served weapons,
problem solved
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:53:09am |
re: #183 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it clearly is.
So is the BHO administration's approval of censorship in Pakistan.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:54:21am |
re: #188 albusteve
as Kragar would say...
crew served weapons,
problem solved
I know their Texans but, I don't want fishermen to have to take on these bastards.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 7:54:44am |
re: #178 Dark_Falcon
The one other thing I'll advise is that you make sure you've at least consulted a trust worthy lawyer in case you get sued.
Good advice and we have. Weirdly the man my wife hit was a guy who was in my same army unit almost 20 years ago at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO. Luckily, she was stopped far enough back that barely tapped him. The kid who hit her must not have been paying any attention. He hit her so hard that the front end of his parents car was totaled, absolutely destroyed. We found out this week that he was an excluded driver on their policy so someone is going to have to come up with the cash to pay for my wifes x-rays and chiropractor visits. Her car had minimal damage.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 7:55:00am |
re: #185 MandyManners
I can't help wondering whether some of these more southerly free-lancers are about to learn about the Texas Castle Doctrine - it applied to boats, after all.
I wonder how many "shoot, scoot, and shut up" incidents we've had already; the border can be a bit rough.
BTW, thanks, BHO, for sending nat'l guard troops to interdict weapons and NOT to intercept aliens, and a big thank you for satisfying president Calderon that we would not use them for that; oh, and a very special thank you for NOT replying to Gov Perry's request of a year now for a little help on the border. Heck of a job, Barry.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 7:55:18am |
Mornin' kids. Tea is failing to kick in...may have to fire up the espresso machine. Last night's tamale experiment was a success. I need to work on how much masa I spread on the corn husks, but I wound up with about two dozen tasty tamales. I'll probably just take them to the office on Monday as I know I can't eat them all.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:56:14am |
re: #189 MandyManners
So is the BHO administration's approval of censorship in Pakistan.
Quite Concur. The ACLU should take him to task for allowing those remarks from the State Department, but I doubt they will.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 30, 2010 7:56:53am |
re: #190 MandyManners
I know their Texans but, I don't want fishermen to have to take on these bastards.
Combination fishing pole/sniper rifle with telescopic sight. Problem solved.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 7:58:45am |
unbelievable....another Perfect Game
[Link: news.blogs.cnn.com...]
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 7:59:09am |
re: #195 ralphieboy
Combination fishing pole/sniper rifle with telescopic sight. Problem solved.
One of the time-honored traditions is the tackle-box gun - usually a cheapo revolver, always bought used - handy for snakes, don'tcha know. Sadly, many of them end up dropped in water, usually following the excitement from their defensive use on two-legged snakes.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:59:59am |
re: #192 Guanxi88
I can't help wondering whether some of these more southerly free-lancers are about to learn about the Texas Castle Doctrine - it applied to boats, after all.
I wonder how many "shoot, scoot, and shut up" incidents we've had already; the border can be a bit rough.
BTW, thanks, BHO, for sending nat'l guard troops to interdict weapons and NOT to intercept aliens, and a big thank you for satisfying president Calderon that we would not use them for that; oh, and a very special thank you for NOT replying to Gov Perry's request of a year now for a little help on the border. Heck of a job, Barry.
Not a good idea, Guanxi. The Zetas have assault rifles, they also use PKM Machine Guns and anti-tank weapons. Furthermore, they are utterly ruthless: If you try to resist and fail, they will kill you and they'll do it ugly. No group of fisherman is going to stand up to them with their reputation; better to pay the Dane-Geld than suffer the Blood Eagle.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:01:50am |
re: #198 Dark_Falcon
Not a good idea, Guanxi. The Zetas have assault rifles, they also use PKM Machine Guns and anti-tank weapons. Furthermore, they are utterly ruthless: If you try to resist and fail, they will kill you and they'll do it ugly. No group of fisherman is going to stand up to them with their reputation; better to pay the Dane-Geld than suffer the Blood Eagle.
Not advocating it, just noting the possibility.
And as for paying the Danegeld, we all know the problem with that: Once you pay the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.
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Political Atheist Sun, May 30, 2010 8:02:24am |
re: #186 MandyManners
Go for it. I'm sure I put some lines if Charles server error logs as I stumbled about at first, and then really with the video embed thing. I have put 3 shortcuts in my web browser toolbar at the top. The line below the url address part.
LGF, LGF Linkage, and the LGF Bookmarklet. Makes it way easier.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:02:28am |
re: #198 Dark_Falcon
Not a good idea, Guanxi. The Zetas have assault rifles, they also use PKM Machine Guns and anti-tank weapons. Furthermore, they are utterly ruthless: If you try to resist and fail, they will kill you and they'll do it ugly. No group of fisherman is going to stand up to them with their reputation; better to pay the Dane-Geld than suffer the Blood Eagle.
Danegeld, Blood Eagle? These are Dutch Mexican pirates from Norway? Man, we're fucked.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:03:36am |
re: #201 darthstar
Danegeld, Blood Eagle? These are Dutch Mexican pirates from Norway? Man, we're fucked.
Yep; multi-culturalism run amok (to use the malay word).
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:04:38am |
re: #198 Dark_Falcon
Not a good idea, Guanxi. The Zetas have assault rifles, they also use PKM Machine Guns and anti-tank weapons. Furthermore, they are utterly ruthless: If you try to resist and fail, they will kill you and they'll do it ugly. No group of fisherman is going to stand up to them with their reputation; better to pay the Dane-Geld than suffer the Blood Eagle.
I really hate it when Americans are outgunned and have to fold....man, that pisses me off as much as anything...some half drunk fisherman is gonna go for his trusty coach gun, snap off two quick shots and disappear in a pink mist
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:06:46am |
re: #199 Guanxi88
Not advocating it, just noting the possibility.
And as for paying the Danegeld, we all know the problem with that: Once you pay the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.
True. But that only works if you've got the firepower to to fight the Dane off. If you don't, then you need to settle for whatever terms he'll give you. That or commit suicide. The worst thing you can do is fight someone like the Zetas and lose.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:06:56am |
re: #192 Guanxi88
a very special thank you for NOT replying to Gov Perry's request of a year now for a little help on the border. Heck of a job, Barry.
Governor Perry has been reaching out to President Obama for help on the border? It must have gotten missed somewhere between talk of secession and complaining about the stimulus funds that helped balance Texas' budget.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:07:04am |
re: #192 Guanxi88
I can't help wondering whether some of these more southerly free-lancers are about to learn about the Texas Castle Doctrine - it applied to boats, after all.
I wonder how many "shoot, scoot, and shut up" incidents we've had already; the border can be a bit rough.
BTW, thanks, BHO, for sending nat'l guard troops to interdict weapons and NOT to intercept aliens, and a big thank you for satisfying president Calderon that we would not use them for that; oh, and a very special thank you for NOT replying to Gov Perry's request of a year now for a little help on the border. Heck of a job, Barry.
Will those troops do actual work or will they ride desks?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:07:56am |
re: #194 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. The ACLU should take him to task for allowing those remarks from the State Department, but I doubt they will.
Allowing? Those are his words. It's his administration.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:08:27am |
re: #195 ralphieboy
Combination fishing pole/sniper rifle with telescopic sight. Problem solved.
Yippee-kai-yay, motherfucker.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:08:37am |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
Once again, we have a plan that attacks our best friends and ignores our worst enemies. Obama is a fool to endorse it.
But Israel should desist from any projected destruction of 'sovereign' Hezbollah long-range missile depots in Lebanon with the U.S.
What's fair is fair.
/
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:08am |
re: #196 albusteve
unbelievable...another Perfect Game
[Link: news.blogs.cnn.com...]
Yeah, The Kid's been going on about that today.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:14am |
re: #205 darthstar
Governor Perry has been reaching out to President Obama for help on the border? It must have gotten missed somewhere between talk of secession and complaining about the stimulus funds that helped balance Texas' budget.
so what is your point....one thing equals the other?
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:19am |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
True. But that only works if you've got the firepower to to fight the Dane off. If you don't, then you need to settle for whatever terms he'll give you. That or commit suicide. The worst thing you can do is fight someone like the Zetas and lose.
Ya know, what we ought to do is set up something - let's call it "the federal government" - to handle threats from across the national border. Why, we could even have one guy - a president, maybe - who could direct assets and personnel to handle it.
I think we ought to push this idea; a federal government might be just the thing to handle this kinda stuff.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:49am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:10:18am |
re: #198 Dark_Falcon
Not a good idea, Guanxi. The Zetas have assault rifles, they also use PKM Machine Guns and anti-tank weapons. Furthermore, they are utterly ruthless: If you try to resist and fail, they will kill you and they'll do it ugly. No group of fisherman is going to stand up to them with their reputation; better to pay the Dane-Geld than suffer the Blood Eagle.
No. Why not let the government do its fucking job and PROTECT AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN THREATS?
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:10:34am |
re: #210 MandyManners
Yeah, The Kid's been going on about that today.
he's cool...ask him who the others are that have done it..put him through a little memorization exercise
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:11:03am |
re: #200 Rightwingconspirator
Go for it. I'm sure I put some lines if Charles server error logs as I stumbled about at first, and then really with the video embed thing. I have put 3 shortcuts in my web browser toolbar at the top. The line below the url address part.
LGF, LGF Linkage, and the LGF Bookmarklet. Makes it way easier.
It's gonna' take me a while.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:12:03am |
re: #214 MandyManners
No. Why not let the government do its fucking job and PROTECT AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN THREATS?
no, it's to protect the foreign threats from Nazi American racists....ha fucking ha
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:13:24am |
re: #215 albusteve
he's cool...ask him who the others are that have done it..put him through a little memorization exercise
He rattled it off already this morning. I just smiled and praised his mastery of such essential information.
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Obdicut Sun, May 30, 2010 8:14:23am |
re: #192 Guanxi88
If they're in Mexican waters, as the article said, then the Castle Doctrine really doesn't apply at all.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:15:06am |
"The criminalization of immigrants is a scary direction that this country is heading in," Ruder told another CNN affiliate in Phoenix, KNXV.
like saying the IRS criminalized Al Capone....what a corruption of logic
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
march yell march yell
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:15:08am |
re: #206 MandyManners
Will those troops do actual work or will they ride desks?
Oh, it's work, all right - support, logistics, that kind of thing. No patrolling, thoughre: #214 MandyManners
No. Why not let the government do its fucking job and PROTECT AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN THREATS?
If the current admin were half as worried about islamic terrorism and the criminal importation of people into the united states as they were about, say, their domestic political opposition;
If BHO got one half as pissed off about foreign nationals crossing the border with impunity to murder american citizens as he did about a group of folks in funny hats saying they're sick of getting taxed;
If BHO were one quarter as apologetic to the victims of islamic terror and illegal alien crimes as he has been to those supposedly "wronged" by this nation before he condescended to lead us
and etc
I;d be a whole lot less concerned than I am
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:15:27am |
re: #214 MandyManners
No. Why not let the government do its fucking job and PROTECT AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN THREATS?
That would be a good idea, if they were willing to do it. But Obama will likely ignore this problem and the media will play it down, fearing to give support to those who favor the Arizona Immigration Law. And yes, I think Obama would be willing to ignore a foreign threat to gain domestic political advantage.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:16:19am |
re: #219 Obdicut
If they're in Mexican waters, as the article said, then the Castle Doctrine really doesn't apply at all.
If they're in Mexican waters, then they're not attacking Americans on the American side.
And in that case, I daresay the universal right of self defense is applicable.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:16:50am |
re: #221 Guanxi88
If the current admin were half as worried about islamic terrorism and the criminal importation of people into the united states as they were about, say, their domestic political opposition;
If BHO got one half as pissed off about foreign nationals crossing the border with impunity to murder american citizens as he did about a group of folks in funny hats saying they're sick of getting taxed;
If BHO were one quarter as apologetic to the victims of islamic terror and illegal alien crimes as he has been to those supposedly "wronged" by this nation before he condescended to lead us
and etc
I;d be a whole lot less concerned than I am
I just wonder how many jihadists have slipped over the southern border.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:17:20am |
re: #222 Dark_Falcon
That would be a good idea, if they were willing to do it. But Obama will likely ignore this problem and the media will play it down, fearing to give support to those who favor the Arizona Immigration Law. And yes, I think Obama would be willing to ignore a foreign threat to gain domestic political advantage.
So do I.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:17:28am |
re: #224 MandyManners
I just wonder how many jihadists have slipped over the southern border.
No cause for concern; remember, jihadists are nothing to worry about, per brennan
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:18:16am |
re: #219 Obdicut
If they're in Mexican waters, as the article said, then the Castle Doctrine really doesn't apply at all.
Per the article, the pirates attack in US waters and then flee into Mexican waters.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:18:50am |
re: #227 MandyManners
Per the article, the pirates attack in US waters and then flee into Mexican waters.
But we stole the water from Mexico, or something.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:19:30am |
re: #227 MandyManners
Per the article, the pirates attack in US waters and then flee into Mexican waters.
they remember Villa and how helpless we were then to do anything about it
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:19:41am |
re: #223 Guanxi88
If they're in Mexican waters, then they're not attacking Americans on the American side.
And in that case, I daresay the universal right of self defense is applicable.
Domestic law enforcement can pursue criminals into another jurisdiction. Can that be done in this situation?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:20:21am |
re: #226 Guanxi88
No cause for concern; remember, jihadists are nothing to worry about, per brennan
He's busy looking for the moderates in Hizb'allah. No shit.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:20:41am |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:20:41am |
re: #230 MandyManners
Domestic law enforcement can pursue criminals into another jurisdiction. Can that be done in this situation?
Doubtful; ya gotta coordinate with mexican authorities to intercept the baddies once they hit the line.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 8:20:41am |
re: #205 darthstar
Governor Perry has been reaching out to President Obama for help on the border? It must have gotten missed somewhere between talk of secession and complaining about the stimulus funds that helped balance Texas' budget.
Gov. Perry Responds to Passage of Economic Stimulus
February 19, 2009
[Link: governor.state.tx.us...]
.....
Throughout the years, Texas taxpayers have sent substantially more dollars to Washington than we receive on issues ranging from transportation to border security and hurricane relief. As I have said during the debate on H.R. 1, should Congress pass stimulus legislation using Texas tax dollars, I would work to ensure that our citizens receive their fair share.On behalf of the people of Texas, please allow this letter to certify that we will accept the funds in H.R. 1 and use them to promote economic growth and create jobs in a fiscally responsible manner that is in the best interest of Texas taxpayers. I remain opposed to using these funds to expand existing government programs, burdening the state with ongoing expenditures long after the funding has dried up.
.....
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:20:56am |
re: #221 Guanxi88
If the current admin were half as worried about islamic terrorism and the criminal importation of people into the united states as they were about, say, their domestic political opposition;
If BHO got one half as pissed off about foreign nationals crossing the border with impunity to murder american citizens as he did about a group of folks in funny hats saying they're sick of getting taxed;
If BHO were one quarter as apologetic to the victims of islamic terror and illegal alien crimes as he has been to those supposedly "wronged" by this nation before he condescended to lead us
and etc
I;d be a whole lot less concerned than I am
The current administration has captured or killed more terrorists than the previous administration.
President Obama doesn't isn't worried about the teabaggers. A few media personalities are, but they're not President Obama.
President Obama could say he filled his car with gas, and you'd accuse him of apologizing to BP for Americans being saddened by the loss of the Gulf.
But your "concern" is duly noted.
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Obdicut Sun, May 30, 2010 8:21:18am |
re: #223 Guanxi88
If they're in Mexican waters, then they're not attacking Americans on the American side.
And in that case, I daresay the universal right of self defense is applicable.
The article says:
In the past month, crews of outlaws in a small armada of banged-up skiffs and high-powered bass boats launched from the Mexican shore have ambushed bass anglers from the Texas side innocently casting their plastic worms over favorite spots. The buccaneers have struck in Mexican waters but within sight of the Texas shore.
I'm not anywhere close to being an expert in international law, so I really have no clue what the laws applying to self-defense are for foreign nationals in Mexican waters-- and given that Mexico is so damn corrupt, it really doesn't matter what the laws are.
However, asking the US military to protect people who are in Mexican waters seems pretty damn problematic. If we are being so concerned about the sanctity of the border, we should probably not idly cross it in the other direction, as well.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 8:22:15am |
re: #233 Guanxi88
Doubtful; ya gotta coordinate with mexican authorities to intercept the baddies once they hit the line.
Yeah. That would be a bad idea to allow local LEOs to cross a national border chasing after citizens of another country.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:23:20am |
re: #235 darthstar
The current administration has captured or killed more terrorists than the previous administration.President Obama doesn't isn't worried about the teabaggers. A few media personalities are, but they're not President Obama.
President Obama could say he filled his car with gas, and you'd accuse him of apologizing to BP for Americans being saddened by the loss of the Gulf.
But your "concern" is duly noted.
bold statement...reconsider what you said, and show some links
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:23:30am |
re: #235 darthstar
The current administration has captured or killed more terrorists than the previous administration.
President Obama doesn't isn't worried about the teabaggers. A few media personalities are, but they're not President Obama.
President Obama could say he filled his car with gas, and you'd accuse him of apologizing to BP for Americans being saddened by the loss of the Gulf.
But your "concern" is duly noted.
Darth:
1) I've applauded every dead jihadist that can be notched up to him. it bothers me, though, when folk in his administration seem to have a problem with naming the ideology uniting the terrorists.
2) For a person not worried about the tea partiers, he surely does snipe at them, and certainly has done nothing to suggest that they don't represent a cause for concern to him and his admin.
3) If BHO filled his tank with gas, I'd be pleased as all hell, provided he didn't bow to the guy at the register on the way out.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:23:47am |
re: #236 Obdicut
Dude, your use of fact and reason is going to fuck up the Sunday morning "rant about brown people and complain about the black person who isn't doing enough to stop them" coffee club.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 8:24:42am |
re: #235 darthstar
The current administration has captured or killed more terrorists than the previous administration.
I love you man but you're going to need a good citation for that claim. Considering we killed tens of thousands of "terrorists" in Iraq over the years I'd like to see how we managed to up the body count that quickly in less than 18 months.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:24:50am |
re: #233 Guanxi88
Doubtful; ya gotta coordinate with mexican authorities to intercept the baddies once they hit the line.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
*wipes tears from eyes*
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:26:04am |
re: #237 RogueOne
Yeah. That would be a bad idea to allow local LEOs to cross a national border chasing after citizens of another country.
Not really. Just proclaim our right to hot pursuit and inform Mexico that if they interfere they'll wish they didn't. We're strong enough to slap them like that, and so I have no problem with doing so. What are they going to do about it?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:27:29am |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Consider this one retracted. I was somewhat frenzied when writing it.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:27:37am |
re: #239 Guanxi88
Darth:
1) I've applauded every dead jihadist that can be notched up to him. it bothers me, though, when folk in his administration seem to have a problem with naming the ideology uniting the terrorists.
2) For a person not worried about the tea partiers, he surely does snipe at them, and certainly has done nothing to suggest that they don't represent a cause for concern to him and his admin.
3) If BHO filled his tank with gas, I'd be pleased as all hell, provided he didn't bow to the guy at the register on the way out.
Okay, the bow comment was funny. The Teabaggers are a subsidiary of the GOP...in political discussion, he's going to point them out as examples of people so taken in by the bullshit lies of the opposition and their television network.
As far as the ideology of the terrorists, I assume you mean Islam. It's actually a bastardization of Islam (kind of like the Phelps style of Christianity)...nobody's denying that extremism is a problem.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:27:58am |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Not really. Just proclaim our right to hot pursuit and inform Mexico that if they interfere they'll wish they didn't. We're strong enough to slap them like that, and so I have no problem with doing so. What are they going to do about it?
How culturally and politically insensitive.
/
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Semper Fi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:28:06am |
re: #181 Guanxi88
I ended up having my own union file a complaint on me. By working every single day from June 1 to November 25th one year, they estimated I put another worker out of a job. My explanation wasn't satisfactory to the shop steward, who said I just needed to invest in a calendar and more liquor.
I've sorta lost touch with union. Never worked in union shop while in the southwest. But I do remember some from Michigan years and it is as you described.
Phone call delayed my response to you. Sorry
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Obdicut Sun, May 30, 2010 8:28:19am |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
So it's fine to ignore national sovereignty as long as you're strong enough to slap the other country around?
And so if the Mexican cops try to stop us, we'll shoot them?
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Obdicut Sun, May 30, 2010 8:28:33am |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
Consider this one retracted. I was somewhat frenzied when writing it.
Thank you.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:28:34am |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
Consider this one retracted. I was somewhat frenzied when writing it.
I say, tit for tat
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:28:51am |
re: #240 darthstar
Dude, your use of fact and reason is going to fuck up the Sunday morning "rant about brown people and complain about the black person who isn't doing enough to stop them" coffee club.
We're not "ranting about brown people", we're talking about a ruthless, violent drug gang that is raiding across out southern border. This ain't Red State, and you know it.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:29:12am |
re: #240 darthstar
Dude, your use of fact and reason is going to fuck up the Sunday morning "rant about brown people and complain about the black person who isn't doing enough to stop them" coffee club.
Ahh! it's racism. Listen, darth:
I live in Texas, and while I'm far enough from the border I don't have to see or deal with a lot of the crap that goes on down there, i'm not so far away that I don't hear about it.
There's a difference between crossing the lake for peaceful purposes, and crossing for smuggling. One's a fisherman out for the day, the other is a smuggler or worse.
However, if federal inaction in the face of foreign criminals attacking Americans (many of whom, it may surprise you to learn, are themselves "latino" to use the painfully inaccurate term) is in fact nothing to be alarmed about, then good luck with that, and congratulations on your broad moral vision.
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Obdicut Sun, May 30, 2010 8:29:48am |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
Your comment that you've now retracted was pretty damn ranty, DF.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 8:29:57am |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Not really. Just proclaim our right to hot pursuit and inform Mexico that if they interfere they'll wish they didn't. We're strong enough to slap them like that, and so I have no problem with doing so. What are they going to do about it?
The could consider them a violent invasion force and kill them. I wouldn't want the US to allow mexican LEOs to invade across the border, the least we can do is keep ours from doing the same.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:30:36am |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
Consider this one retracted. I was somewhat frenzied when writing it.
I saw nothing wrong with it.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:30:45am |
re: #245 darthstar
Okay, the bow comment was funny. The Teabaggers are a subsidiary of the GOP...in political discussion, he's going to point them out as examples of people so taken in by the bullshit lies of the opposition and their television network.
As far as the ideology of the terrorists, I assume you mean Islam. It's actually a bastardization of Islam (kind of like the Phelps style of Christianity)...nobody's denying that extremism is a problem.
Tea party folk are not universally GOP - see the case of Iowa, for example - and they have not uniformly endorsed GOP candidates.
And, yes, Brennan has a problem with calling jihadist islam a problem. He's so tied up in knots in an effort to avoid offending people who already dislike us, that it's rather humorous.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:30:54am |
re: #253 Obdicut
Your comment that you've now retracted was pretty damn ranty, DF.
That's why I retracted it. I realized I was over the line. My ADHD got the better of me.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:30:57am |
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:32:01am |
re: #241 RogueOne
I love you man but you're going to need a good citation for that claim. Considering we killed tens of thousands of "terrorists" in Iraq over the years I'd like to see how we managed to up the body count that quickly in less than 18 months.
We killed tens of thousands of Iraqis over the years. Not everyone born in Iraq is a terrorist.
Just look at how many people we've picked up since the Times Square bomber and the Xmas Underwear bomber were captured...both of those assholes have given up dozens of connections...and without being tortured. The underwear guy talked once his parents came to visit him. Times Square guy realized he fucked up and sang through his Miranda.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:32:30am |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
We're not "ranting about brown people", we're talking about a ruthless, violent drug gang that is raiding across out southern border. This ain't Red State, and you know it.
Hey, I got accused of being a troll the other day and yesterday I was accused of being from Hot Air.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:16am |
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Obdicut Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:23am |
re: #257 Dark_Falcon
That's why I retracted it. I realized I was over the line. My ADHD got the better of me.
And other people are saying that they'd be fine with it. I appreciate the withdrawal, but a thing once said stays said.
Anyway, my fiancée is sick so I'm off to tend to her for awhile. Have a good lazy Sunday, everyone.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:29am |
re: #259 darthstar
We killed tens of thousands of Iraqis over the years. Not everyone born in Iraq is a terrorist.
Just look at how many people we've picked up since the Times Square bomber and the Xmas Underwear bomber were captured...both of those assholes have given up dozens of connections...and without being tortured. The underwear guy talked once his parents came to visit him. Times Square guy realized he fucked up and sang through his Miranda.
Yeah - heck of a job we did detecting....
Oh wait! We didn't detect these guys until after they failed. A dutchman on an airplane, and a street vendor in NYC - were they part of our enforcement apparatus.
heck of a peg to hang your hat on.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:44am |
re: #255 MandyManners
I saw nothing wrong with it.
There's a certain intrinsic sense of rough justice in it just the same.
As for Mexican LEOs penetrating our border in hot pursuit of...what? Senior citizens buying cut-rate prescription drugs?
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:46am |
re: #262 Obdicut
And other people are saying that they'd be fine with it. I appreciate the withdrawal, but a thing once said stays said.
Anyway, my fiancée is sick so I'm off to tend to her for awhile. Have a good lazy Sunday, everyone.
Hope she feels better.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:08am |
re: #264 ryannon
There's a certain intrinsic sense of rough justice in it just the same.
As for Mexican LEOs penetrating our border in hot pursuit of...what? Senior citizens buying cut-rate prescription drugs?
Folk trying to slip outta paying a good, honest bribe.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:09am |
re: #260 MandyManners
Hey, I got accused of being a troll the other day and yesterday I was accused of being from Hot Air.
Both of which are horseshit. You wouldn't give Hot Air the time of day. And the idea that you are a troll is risible.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:09am |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
We're not "ranting about brown people", we're talking about a ruthless, violent drug gang that is raiding across out southern border. This ain't Red State, and you know it.
Go back and read through the thread...there are a few comments that sound like they could have come from Red State...hell, you retracted one of your own (which, I will say, I was relieved to see).
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:13am |
re: #261 albusteve
we're discussing the feds, right?
boobs
Not all. It's the leadership right now that is boobish.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:34am |
re: #259 darthstar
We killed tens of thousands of Iraqis over the years. Not everyone born in Iraq is a terrorist.
Just look at how many people we've picked up since the Times Square bomber and the Xmas Underwear bomber were captured...both of those assholes have given up dozens of connections...and without being tortured. The underwear guy talked once his parents came to visit him. Times Square guy realized he fucked up and sang through his Miranda.
where are the links?
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:35:58am |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
Both of which are horseshit. You wouldn't give Hot Air the time of day. And the idea that you are a troll is risible.
disagreement equals troll now days....very typical
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:13am |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
Both of which are horseshit. You wouldn't give Hot Air the time of day. And the idea that you are a troll is risible.
It struck me as absurd.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:30am |
re: #259 darthstar
We killed tens of thousands of Iraqis over the years. Not everyone born in Iraq is a terrorist.
Point taken but I would argue that most of the troublemakers were coming from out of the country.
Just look at how many people we've picked up since the Times Square bomber and the Xmas Underwear bomber were captured...both of those assholes have given up dozens of connections...and without being tortured. The underwear guy talked once his parents came to visit him. Times Square guy realized he fucked up and sang through his Miranda.
That's 4. Can you account for the other 19,996 or so?/
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:37:27am |
re: #236 Obdicut
. . .
However, asking the US military to protect people who are in Mexican waters seems pretty damn problematic. If we are being so concerned about the sanctity of the border, we should probably not idly cross it in the other direction, as well.
It is problematic and I agree that we should not idly cross that border, particularly since Mexico's laws in regards to illegals entering their country are tougher than ours.
re: #240 darthstar
Dude, your use of fact and reason is going to fuck up the Sunday morning "rant about brown people and complain about the black person who isn't doing enough to stop them" coffee club.
Darth - not every thing posted of concern about Mexicans, particularly when we're talking about Mexican outlaws and criminals, is a rant about "brown" people, or the "black" man who "isn't doing enough to stop them".
Sheesh. Give it a break. When you see racism everywhere you diminish the effects of genuine racism.
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RogueOne Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:24am |
re: #272 MandyManners
It struck me as absurd.
It could be worse, there were more than a few posters who called me a bigot and a racist last week.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:26am |
re: #259 darthstar
We killed tens of thousands of Iraqis over the years. Not everyone born in Iraq is a terrorist.
Just look at how many people we've picked up since the Times Square bomber and the Xmas Underwear bomber were captured...both of those assholes have given up dozens of connections...and without being tortured. The underwear guy talked once his parents came to visit him. Times Square guy realized he fucked up and sang through his Miranda.
But we've been reassured that the Times Square fellow acted alone, and had no connections to anything or anyone at all. What "connections" could a lone wolf, motivated by no discernible ideology and acting for no purpose whatsoever, have?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:46am |
There's a lack of splodey-dopes in Iraq 'cause they're moving to Afghanistan and Pakistan.
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:15am |
re: #275 reine.de.tout
Darth - not every thing posted of concern about Mexicans, particularly when we're talking about Mexican outlaws and criminals, is a rant about "brown" people, or the "black" man who "isn't doing enough to stop them".
Sheesh. Give it a break. When you see racism everywhere you diminish the effects of genuine racism.
liberal dogma....trying to make pizza pie out of horse shit, since almost anything, if you stretch far enough, can be considered racist
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:22am |
A hat-tip to the Lezzard who mentioned the film "The Lives of Others" about the Stasi secret police in East Berlin. I watched it last night. Great film, with a sub-plot on how political correctness can be used for repressive and totalitarian ends.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:30am |
re: #275 reine.de.tout
When you see racism everywhere you diminish the effects of genuine racism.
AMEN!
I wonder if the constant accusations of racism by some aren't calculated to make us keep our mouths shut for some reason having nothing to do with race at all.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:46am |
re: #276 RogueOne
It could be worse, there were more than a few posters who called me a bigot and a racist last week.
don't forget my favorite, Nazi!
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:53am |
re: #276 RogueOne
It could be worse, there were more than a few posters who called me a bigot and a racist last week.
I wonder if I could name them.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:41:59am |
re: #281 MandyManners
When you see racism everywhere you diminish the effects of genuine racism.
AMEN!
I wonder if the constant accusations of racism by some aren't calculated to make us keep our mouths shut for some reason having nothing to do with race at all.
of course
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:42:09am |
re: #281 MandyManners
When you see racism everywhere you diminish the effects of genuine racism.
AMEN!
I wonder if the constant accusations of racism by some aren't calculated to make us keep our mouths shut for some reason having nothing to do with race at all.
Bad breath?
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:42:44am |
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:52am |
re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning all.
Good morning.
You might end up being sorry you chose to enter the room at this particular time.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:44:20am |
re: #285 ryannon
Bad breath?
Nope. It's about rendering conservative people and policies "tainted by racism". Sadly, in many cases today that has validity, but not when it comes to the people on this blog. We haven't got any racists here.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:44:52am |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
re: #281 MandyManners
If talking about criminals and criminal activity is forbidden because some of the offenders might be "brown" people, then we are in for a world of hurt, IMO.
If they are criminals:
Take them to court.
Find them guilty.
They do the time.
Deport upon release.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:10am |
re: #277 Guanxi88
But we've been reassured that the Times Square fellow acted alone, and had no connections to anything or anyone at all. What "connections" could a lone wolf, motivated by no discernible ideology and acting for no purpose whatsoever, have?
The Pakistan cops have been arresting quite a few other lone wolves.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:45am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:04am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:18am |
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:32am |
re: #289 Dark_Falcon
Nope. It's about rendering conservative people and policies "tainted by racism". Sadly, in many cases today that has validity, but not when it comes to the people on this blog. We haven't got any racists here.
I should hope not. I wouldn't want to be here myself if that were the case.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:47:53am |
re: #295 ryannon
I should hope not. I wouldn't want to be here myself if that were the case.
Nor would I.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:47am |
A prison warden in the Mexican state of Morelos was abducted as he reported to work Saturday morning and his dismembered body was found later in four locations in the city of Cuernavaca, the government-run Notimex agency reported.
speaks for itself
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:49:08am |
re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar
If they are criminals:
Take them to court.
Find them guilty.
They do the time.
Deport upon release.
Racist!
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:49:38am |
re: #292 albusteve
we ARE in a world of hurt...how can we ever take down a Chinese gang in San Fran?
What's up with the Chinese gangs in San Francisco? Attacking the cable cars full of tourists as they roll down Market Street?
And if they're traditional triad organizations, might as well forget it.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:49:50am |
re: #289 Dark_Falcon
Nope. It's about rendering conservative people and policies "tainted by racism". Sadly, in many cases today that has validity, but not when it comes to the people on this blog. We haven't got any racists here.
No, we do not.
We'd have been weeded out and gone a long time ago.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:49:56am |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 8:50:21am |
re: #281 MandyManners
When you see racism everywhere you diminish the effects of genuine racism.
AMEN!
I wonder if the constant accusations of racism by some aren't calculated to make us keep our mouths shut for some reason having nothing to do with race at all.
Where you guys here last night when Charles posted the link to the live feed for the anti-immigration rally in Phoenix? There was a live chat attached to it. The moderator said 900 people were logged in. The chat was filled with terrible, racist statements and racists jokes. Not even about the Mexicans, but mostly against Blacks, particularly Obama. Racist black jokes, stabs at "that Jew [sic] Immanual". One guy said that what we need is MORE violence, that only violence will settle this. ONE person said that was wrong.
So don't tell me the Arizona law has nothing to do with racism when the supporters of this law decide to rant against Blacks and Jews when they have nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:50:44am |
re: #300 ryannon
What's up with the Chinese gangs in San Francisco? Attacking the cable cars full of tourists as they roll down Market Street?
And if they're traditional triad organizations, might as well forget it.
don't know..maybe I saw a movie once
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:15am |
re: #259 darthstar
We killed tens of thousands of Iraqis over the years. Not everyone born in Iraq is a terrorist.
Your last claim is the understatement of the year (the vast majority of the people who died in Iraq were civilians). Though, not surprising, deeming Iraqis terrorists, and treating them as such, turned out to be in part a self-fulfilling prophesy.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:50am |
re: #303 marjoriemoon
Where you guys here last night when Charles posted the link to the live feed for the anti-immigration rally in Phoenix? There was a live chat attached to it. The moderator said 900 people were logged in. The chat was filled with terrible, racist statements and racists jokes. Not even about the Mexicans, but mostly against Blacks, particularly Obama. Racist black jokes, stabs at "that Jew [sic] Immanual". One guy said that what we need is MORE violence, that only violence will settle this. ONE person said that was wrong.
So don't tell me the Arizona law has nothing to do with racism when the supporters of this law decide to rant against Blacks and Jews when they have nothing whatsoever to do with it.
Every supporter of that law? Every?
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:46am |
re: #297 Cannadian Club Akbar
Reine, what worse news?
Oh, hell.
The leak appears now to be bigger than it was before.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:05am |
re: #303 marjoriemoon
Where you guys here last night when Charles posted the link to the live feed for the anti-immigration rally in Phoenix? There was a live chat attached to it. The moderator said 900 people were logged in. The chat was filled with terrible, racist statements and racists jokes. Not even about the Mexicans, but mostly against Blacks, particularly Obama. Racist black jokes, stabs at "that Jew [sic] Immanual". One guy said that what we need is MORE violence, that only violence will settle this. ONE person said that was wrong.
So don't tell me the Arizona law has nothing to do with racism when the supporters of this law decide to rant against Blacks and Jews when they have nothing whatsoever to do with it.
the LAW is not racist....people are, but I say let LE do their job and see how it shakes out
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:23am |
re: #303 marjoriemoon
Where you guys here last night when Charles posted the link to the live feed for the anti-immigration rally in Phoenix? There was a live chat attached to it. The moderator said 900 people were logged in. The chat was filled with terrible, racist statements and racists jokes. Not even about the Mexicans, but mostly against Blacks, particularly Obama. Racist black jokes, stabs at "that Jew [sic] Immanual". One guy said that what we need is MORE violence, that only violence will settle this. ONE person said that was wrong.
So don't tell me the Arizona law has nothing to do with racism when the supporters of this law decide to rant against Blacks and Jews when they have nothing whatsoever to do with it.
The discussion where somebody pulled out the racism card wasn't about this law.
It was about pirates attacking fishermen.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:23am |
re: #305 Nimed
Your last claim is the understatement of the year (the vast majority of the people who died in Iraq were civilians). Though, not surprising, deeming Iraqis terrorists, and treating them as such, turned out to be in part a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Ugh. PIMF.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:23am |
re: #306 MandyManners
Every supporter of that law? Every?
Practically every person logged into that chat. It was the most vile thing I read in a long time.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:23am |
re: #311 marjoriemoon
Practically every person logged into that chat. It was the most vile thing I read in a long time.
Quite the spectacle.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:28am |
re: #307 reine.de.tout
Oh, hell.
The leak appears now to be bigger than it was before.
Great. Nebraska, Oklahoma, North Dakota. I hate snow and cold.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:40am |
re: #311 marjoriemoon
Practically every person logged into that chat. It was the most vile thing I read in a long time.
and how many non racists where not logged on?....how many people do not attend a KKK rally?
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:55:30am |
re: #309 reine.de.tout
The discussion where somebody pulled out the racism card wasn't about this law.
It was about pirates attacking fishermen.
Racist pirates?
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:56:28am |
re: #311 marjoriemoon
Practically every person logged into that chat. It was the most vile thing I read in a long time.
And that chat contained everyone?
I've no doubt that the chat was vile.
And I'm no supporter of that law.
Nor do I support the reasons why Arizona felt it was necessary to create their law (lack of action on the part of those who are supposed to keep the border safe).
But for someone here to tar and feather as "racist" those here who are discussing what to do about Mexican pirates attacking US fishermen is beyond idiocy.
What - we can't talk about illegal actions and criminal activity if the perpetrators happen to be "brown"? That's how it seems.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 8:56:37am |
re: #314 albusteve
and how many non racists where not logged on?...how many people do not attend a KKK rally?
If I knew nothing about the law and was only reading this chat, I would have assumed they were talking about Blacks not being allowed in this country.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:57:07am |
re: #315 ryannon
Racist pirates?
No.
The fishermen apparently, for wanting the pirate activity to stop.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:57:08am |
re: #311 marjoriemoon
Practically every person logged into that chat. It was the most vile thing I read in a long time.
Things like that are shit-for-brains magnets. I'll bet you would have seen the same sort of comments about desegregation laws had the Internet existed at the time.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:57:30am |
re: #307 reine.de.tout
Oh, hell.
The leak appears now to be bigger than it was before.
Do you watch the NPR feed? or?
Good morning!
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:58:33am |
re: #311 marjoriemoon
Practically every person logged into that chat. It was the most vile thing I read in a long time.
So? Does that mean that every person who supports that law is a racist?
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:58:39am |
re: #318 reine.de.tout
No.
The fishermen apparently, for wanting the pirate activity to stop.
It was submarine snark: my / was under water.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:08am |
re: #316 reine.de.tout
And that chat contained everyone?
I've no doubt that the chat was vile.
And I'm no supporter of that law.
Nor do I support the reasons why Arizona felt it was necessary to create their law (lack of action on the part of those who are supposed to keep the border safe).But for someone here to tar and feather as "racist" those here who are discussing what to do about Mexican pirates attacking US fishermen is beyond idiocy.
What - we can't talk about illegal actions and criminal activity if the perpetrators happen to be "brown"? That's how it seems.
The conversation was jumping around, but no I wasn't talking about Mexican pirates...
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:17am |
re: #313 Cannadian Club Akbar
Great. Nebraska, Oklahoma, North Dakota. I hate snow and cold.
Georgia. South Carolina. North Carolina. Virginia.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:00:20am |
| 326 |
What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:00:47am |
re: #321 MandyManners
So? Does that mean that every person who supports that law is a racist?
Quite honestly, after viewing that spectacle, I have to wonder.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:00:50am |
re: #324 MandyManners
Georgia. South Carolina. North Carolina. Virginia.
what?...no NM?
a snowfall across the high desert is very dramatic...everyone should see it at least once in their life
| 328 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:13am |
re: #326 marjoriemoon
Quite honestly, after viewing that spectacle, I have to wonder.
Well, that's on you.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:27am |
re: #323 marjoriemoon
The conversation was jumping around, but no I wasn't talking about Mexican pirates...
Well, that's what was being discussed.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:43am |
re: #326 marjoriemoon
Quite honestly, after viewing that spectacle, I have to wonder.
you are drifting into fairy land
| 331 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:44am |
re: #327 albusteve
what?...no NM?
a snowfall across the high desert is very dramatic...everyone should see it at least once in their life
I figured he's wanting to live in a warm state with sandy beaches.
| 332 |
ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:53am |
re: #325 MandyManners
glub glub glub
Channeling Walter: So now it's alright to mock drowning people on LGF?
| 333 |
What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:01am |
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:12am |
Hell.
I just heard one or the other of the animals barfing, and now I can't find where they did it.
Hell.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:19am |
re: #329 reine.de.tout
Well, that's what was being discussed.
Yeah, the first mention of the Arizona law was MM's.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:34am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:03:18am |
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:03:49am |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:04:00am |
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:04:58am |
Okay, okay, you're not all racists.
I think it's just the 'with us or against us' mentality that became such a part of our nation still has a pretty strong foothold whether we like it or not. And there is no shortage of people (even here at LGF) who think the current president is actually against the United States.
We invaded Iraq because of their ties to 9/11 and invisible WMDs that somehow got sent to Syria when we couldn't find them...rape rooms, torture chambers...25,000 "bounties" to families of suicide bombers in Israel...the previous administration spent eight years building up fear of foreigners in this country. And its defenders are still at it: John McCain saying illegals are coming over the border to cause accidents on our interstates, some other asshole saying they're bringing diseases. "Anchor babies," the list goes on....
One can forgive people for sounding alarmist today. I made the mistake upthread of simplifying this to a 'rant on brown people'...but that's how it read to me, and so I said as much. Sorry if I offended.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:05:07am |
re: #334 reine.de.tout
Hell.
I just heard one or the other of the animals barfing, and now I can't find where they did it.
Hell.
Feline or canine?
| 342 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:05:43am |
re: #339 marjoriemoon
That chat last night.
I know. I was just wondering why you chose to tell me to ask Charles. Was it an attempt at intimidation?
| 343 |
What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:06:04am |
re: #338 albusteve
why Charles?
The comment was made about "seeing racism everywhere" and there was sure was a lot of it there. It's what Charles has been going on about for weeks if you haven't noticed.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 9:06:45am |
re: #321 MandyManners
So? Does that mean that every person who supports that law is a racist?
re: #326 marjoriemoon
Quite honestly, after viewing that spectacle, I have to wonder.
Wouldn't it be nice if commenters were this cautious about sweeping generalizing regardless of the topic being discussed?
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:09:12am |
re: #307 reine.de.tout
Oh, hell.
The leak appears now to be bigger than it was before.
They're finally going to do what several oil experts who don't work for BP have been saying...cut the pipe above the BOP and try top capping a single leak, rather than trying to stem the different leaks around...this will cause a temporary gusher so violent that a lot of people will take notice who have been trying not to pay attention, but at least we'll have a single leak and they can try funnelling that oil to the surface so tankers can start sucking it up.
One problem, however, and a guy on NPR explained it well the other day, is that the pressure of a mile of water on top of the oil is actually causing it to separate into various parts - the light shit comes to the surface and gives that sheen, while heavier portions are achieving neutral bouyancy at various depths in the Gulf - where those plumes will strike ground nobody knows.
| 347 |
Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:09:15am |
re: #344 Nimed
Wouldn't it be nice if commenters were this cautious about sweeping generalizing regardless of the topic being discussed?
You kiding? There'd be precious little to post about here if we did that.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:09:47am |
I don't get it: it's a local law. Some people here are for it, some against, and some want to give it a try. A bunch of Neanderthals latched onto it on another blog and posted racist comments. None here that I know of. This is a discussion forum where we express our opinions pretty much within the limits of decency and the law. When people go over the line, they either flounce or bounce. Charles runs a tight ship and we sign up for the cruise knowing the rules.
So did I miss something, and if not, exactly where's the problem?
| 350 |
Semper Fi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:10:59am |
Grandkids visiting. Gotta go. Special quality time. Don't get enough of it.
See ya'll later. Enjoy your Sunday and in two days it's June.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:11:08am |
re: #349 Dark_Falcon
I've got to head out. BBL
hey, bring back a case of Shiner and two packs of marlboros. Oh, and get yourself something with the change. (Hands DF a five dollar bill)
| 352 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:11:47am |
I have to find a new insurance provider. Aetna is raising my premium AGAIN.
this just SUCKS.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:12:33am |
I'm thinking about building a giant wooden swastika in my back forty...get me a pony on ice, and burn the son of a bitch to the ground..
WHO'S WITH ME?
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:13:12am |
re: #340 darthstar
Okay, okay, you're not all racists.
I think it's just the 'with us or against us' mentality that became such a part of our nation still has a pretty strong foothold whether we like it or not. And there is no shortage of people (even here at LGF) who think the current president is actually against the United States.
We invaded Iraq because of their ties to 9/11 and invisible WMDs that somehow got sent to Syria when we couldn't find them...rape rooms, torture chambers...25,000 "bounties" to families of suicide bombers in Israel...the previous administration spent eight years building up fear of foreigners in this country. And its defenders are still at it: John McCain saying illegals are coming over the border to cause accidents on our interstates, some other asshole saying they're bringing diseases. "Anchor babies," the list goes on...
One can forgive people for sounding alarmist today. I made the mistake upthread of simplifying this to a 'rant on brown people'...but that's how it read to me, and so I said as much. Sorry if I offended.
Darth - there is merit to what you say here, about the alarmists, etc.
But dammit - we must be able to discuss problems that exist (and there are some very real problems) without being called "racist" because of it.
We have neighbors who are Mexican. Great neighbors, hard-working, not breaking any laws. The guy is supporting who knows how many people. He has his own small food-supply business. He doesn't have any sort of deep relationship with a bank here. He needed $1000 to send to his sister in Mexico for some medical care she needed. We loaned it to him interest free. And would do it again. And if we don't get it back - well, we have assumed it's because he truly cannot afford it, and they are welcome to it, his family needed it more than we did.
But I do have a problem with Mexicans entering illegally. I've no problem with the normal worker sorts who end up here; I do have a problem that the illegal entry process has developed an entire criminal business around it. The drug gangs. And I think any reasonable person would be concerned about those things, whether emanating from Mexico or within our own borders, whether the criminals are brown or white or yellow or red or purple. And to be concerned about such things is not racism.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:13:54am |
re: #341 MandyManners
Feline or canine?
Cat.
Hell.
I just walked through the whole house, and can't find it.
Damn.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:03am |
re: #353 albusteve
I'm thinking about building a giant wooden swastika in my back forty...get me a pony on ice, and burn the son of a bitch to the ground..
WHO'S WITH ME?
I'll go along with the pony on ice; the other stuff might be misconstrued, and I'm in no mood for carpentry.
| 357 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:11am |
re: #352 Alouette
I have to find a new insurance provider. Aetna is raising my premium AGAIN.
this just SUCKS.
What's their excuse?
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:23am |
re: #355 reine.de.tout
Cat.
Hell.
I just walked through the whole house, and can't find it.
Damn.
Got a dog? He'll find it in 10 seconds.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:47am |
re: #353 albusteve
I'm thinking about building a giant wooden swastika in my back forty...get me a pony on ice, and burn the son of a bitch to the ground..
WHO'S WITH ME?
You're gonna' do *what* to that poor little pony?
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:50am |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:15:59am |
re: #359 MandyManners
You're gonna' do *what* to that poor little pony?
Drain it, pint by pint.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:17am |
re: #355 reine.de.tout
Cat.
Hell.
I just walked through the whole house, and can't find it.
Damn.
Looked under the beds yet? Sofas?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:42am |
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:17:06am |
re: #346 darthstar
They're finally going to do what several oil experts who don't work for BP have been saying...cut the pipe above the BOP and try top capping a single leak, rather than trying to stem the different leaks around...this will cause a temporary gusher so violent that a lot of people will take notice who have been trying not to pay attention, but at least we'll have a single leak and they can try funnelling that oil to the surface so tankers can start sucking it up.
One problem, however, and a guy on NPR explained it well the other day, is that the pressure of a mile of water on top of the oil is actually causing it to separate into various parts - the light shit comes to the surface and gives that sheen, while heavier portions are achieving neutral bouyancy at various depths in the Gulf - where those plumes will strike ground nobody knows.
E-mail from the Roi this morning:
Well BP continues on its track of making bad decision after bad decision. Surprising no one in the oil industry they announced the top kill had failed. From the first day they started pumping mud they had to know it would fail and to me was doomed before it started. To top kill this well they would have to exceed 13700 psi hydrostatic pressure, using 17.0 ppg mud at 5000' of water gives them 4400 psi at the surface, to that they would have to impose more than 9000 psi pump pressure and this would have to be done with leaks at the seafloor in the marine riser.
What BP never said was what their pumping pressure was at the surface nor did they reveal to anyone that the riser where the leaks are cannot hold high pressure and should split even if undamaged at less than 5000 psi.
Now they are going to knock off (cut off or disconnect) the marine riser, cut any drillpipe inside that riser (and there is pipe inside it) install a cap and connect this to the drillship enterprise for processing. Recovering all oil escaping from the well. This can be done and should be fairly easily done except....it does nothing to contain the well.
Now they will be flowing oil and gas to a drillship ( it does have production capabilities and est. 200,000 bbls holding capacity) and what happens if there's a hurricane. Hold the drillship and risk the lives of all men aboard or open the well to the gulf again? BP should be disconnecting the connector on the LMRP (lower marine riser package) and stabbing with the same connector size an entire BOP stack and closing the well.
The BOP's are big and heavy enough that they could be stabbed over a flowing well and would be wide open until stabbed and tested. The well could then be left until the relief well is finished and the flowing well killed and cemented off. Obama should have ordered BP to be working with other oil companies (Shell in particular) on ongoing plans. The so called experts the gov't brought in are idiots who don't know any better then what BP tells them. God protect us from the morons. Talk with you later.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:17:18am |
re: #361 Guanxi88
Drain it, pint by pint.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I don't know nothing about no beer.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:17:23am |
re: #359 MandyManners
You're gonna' do *what* to that poor little pony?
I was seething there for a second
| 368 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:04am |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:16am |
re: #366 MandyManners
I don't know nothing about no beer.
It's a light, refreshing beverage, frequently indulged in by workmen, tillers of the soil, and such-like. When it's too hot for liquor - and it can happen - beer will do.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:18am |
re: #358 Guanxi88
Got a dog? He'll find it in 10 seconds.
hahaha!
No kidding.
In fact, that might be what happened to it.
The dog got to it before I could find it.
ew.
| 371 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:28am |
re: #357 MandyManners
What's their excuse?
No excuse. They just feel like raising their rates ("due to the increasing cost of health care")
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:36am |
re: #370 reine.de.tout
hahaha!
No kidding.
In fact, that might be what happened to it.
The dog got to it before I could find it.
ew.
Problem solved, seems to me.
| 373 |
albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:37am |
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:41am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:21:04am |
re: #369 Guanxi88
It's a light, refreshing beverage, frequently indulged in by workmen, tillers of the soil, and such-like. When it's too hot for liquor - and it can happen - beer will do.
It gets too hot for liquor?
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:21:32am |
re: #354 reine.de.tout
Thanks...and I know how that is...my wife has given several thousand dollars to her migrant employees over the last few years when they were in dire straits. Most paid her back. Our agriculture here in California depends greatly on migrant workers...many of whom cross the border illegally for summer work and then return to their home countries in the winter when they can get similar jobs further south.
The assumption amongst the anti-immigration community seems to be that all of the people coming across the border are here to do crime. That's simply not true, yet the fear that criminals are coming is the main motivation for blocking access to the rest of the migrant community.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:21:37am |
re: #375 Guanxi88
I'll take a tun:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
you must have a parching thirst there Bubba
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:21:38am |
re: #371 Alouette
No excuse. They just feel like raising their rates ("due to the increasing cost of health care")
Isn't there some sort of contractual restriction on how often they can do that?
| 380 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:08am |
| 381 |
Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:30am |
re: #376 MandyManners
It gets too hot for liquor?
I didn't believe it possible, but it does happen. There are days here in the Lone Star State when even a margarita is simply too heavy a beverage. Now, once the sun goes down, and assuming there's a decent breeze, then you can break out the hard stuff.
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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:49am |
re: #355 reine.de.tout
Cat.
Hell.
I just walked through the whole house, and can't find it.
Damn.
It's in a shoe. Or in the bed of someone the cat has decided to hate today.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:30am |
re: #381 Guanxi88
I didn't believe it possible, but it does happen. There are days here in the Lone Star State when even a margarita is simply too heavy a beverage. Now, once the sun goes down, and assuming there's a decent breeze, then you can break out the hard stuff.
there is no such quandry in the Enchanted State
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 9:24:17am |
Speaking of generalizations:
[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]
A federal judge Wednesday ordered the Obama administration to free a Yemeni man at Guantaamo who has long claimed he was captured in Pakistan studying the Quran and had no ties to al Qaida.
U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy Jr.'s ruling of unlawful detention in the case of Mohammed Hassen, 27, raised the number of detainee wins in Guantánamo detention challenges to 36.
The win-loss scorecard was 14-36 on Wednesday. Civilian judges have upheld the military detentions of 14 other foreign men among the 181 war on terror captives at the U.S. Navy base in southeast Cuba.
72% of tried detainees have been found innocent so far. Some of them kids who've spent years 5+ locked up in a cell. Mohammed Hassen was 19 when he was captured.
It seems that, even among the "worst of the worst", we really should be careful about those stupid generalizations.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:24:33am |
re: #379 MandyManners
Isn't there some sort of contractual restriction on how often they can do that?
Apparently not. Anyway I am looking for a new carrier, which is not easy considering that I am 60 years old and have a preexisting condition (arthritis)
Getting ready to meet the "deth panil"
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:24:40am |
re: #377 darthstar
Thanks...and I know how that is...my wife has given several thousand dollars to her migrant employees over the last few years when they were in dire straits. Most paid her back. Our agriculture here in California depends greatly on migrant workers...many of whom cross the border illegally for summer work and then return to their home countries in the winter when they can get similar jobs further south.
The assumption amongst the anti-immigration community seems to be that all of the people coming across the border are here to do crime. That's simply not true, yet the fear that criminals are coming is the main motivation for blocking access to the rest of the migrant community.
The migrant community, I've no doubt we need. And in previous LGF days, I got blasted but good for saying that.
It's the criminal activity surrounding the entry of those folks that has me upset.
I am at a complete loss to understand how our government, with all the brain power of the US behind it, cannot come up with a plan to LEGALLY allow the migrant workers in to work, thus negating the need for any criminal enterprises to get them here.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:24:48am |
re: #383 albusteve
there is no such quandry in the Enchanted State
Indeed, as i've said before, NM is about as close to ideal a place to live as I've found yet, and I continue to work on my long-term project to relocate there. An opportunity came up here that could well fund such a shift a few years out, and so I continue my plan.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:14am |
re: #381 Guanxi88
I didn't believe it possible, but it does happen. There are days here in the Lone Star State when even a margarita is simply too heavy a beverage. Now, once the sun goes down, and assuming there's a decent breeze, then you can break out the hard stuff.
Doesn't one just rent beer?
| 390 |
reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:31am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:26:20am |
re: #386 Alouette
Apparently not. Anyway I am looking for a new carrier, which is not easy considering that I am 60 years old and have a preexisting condition (arthritis)
Getting ready to meet the "deth panil"
Can't you get a policy to cover everything but your arthritis and then pick up coverage for it after a certain period?
| 392 |
Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 9:26:20am |
re: #365 reine.de.tout
Jesus, what a nightmare. It just keeps getting worse.
| 393 |
Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:00am |
re: #389 MandyManners
Doesn't one just rent beer?
So I've heard, but there are times when nothing but a Negra Modelo will quench my thirst. other times, a lone star does the trick.
| 394 |
albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:00am |
re: #388 Guanxi88
Indeed, as i've said before, NM is about as close to ideal a place to live as I've found yet, and I continue to work on my long-term project to relocate there. An opportunity came up here that could well fund such a shift a few years out, and so I continue my plan.
I hope it pans out...it's an amazing place, otoh I'd move to Texas in a heartbeat if I had to
| 395 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:11am |
| 396 |
darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:23am |
re: #365 reine.de.tout
Thanks for fowarding the email from your hubby. I like the idea of dropping a new BOP on top of the thing...
| 397 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:44am |
re: #393 Guanxi88
So I've heard, but there are times when nothing but a Negra Modelo will quench my thirst. other times, a lone star does the trick.
I prefer water. Tastes great.
| 398 |
Reginald Perrin Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:04am |
Doesn't one just rent beer?
If that was true how do you explain beer bellies?
| 399 |
Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:05am |
re: #394 albusteve
I hope it pans out...it's an amazing place, otoh I'd move to Texas in a heartbeat if I had to
Yeah, TX ain't bad as a second choice, but lordy I love the climate of NM, and there's a sort of friendly defiance in NM that I haven't found anywhere else.
| 400 |
albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:07am |
| 401 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:35am |
re: #391 MandyManners
Can't you get a policy to cover everything but your arthritis and then pick up coverage for it after a certain period?
No.
| 402 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:37am |
| 403 |
Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:47am |
re: #397 MandyManners
I prefer water. Tastes great.
You know what fish do in that stuff, right?
And besides, mandrake, have you ever seen a russian drink a glass of water?
| 404 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:54am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:29:19am |
re: #403 Guanxi88
You know what fish do in that stuff, right?
And besides, mandrake, have you ever seen a russian drink a glass of water?
You deviated pervert.
| 406 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:29:36am |
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:29:47am |
re: #399 Guanxi88
Yeah, TX ain't bad as a second choice, but lordy I love the climate of NM, and there's a sort of friendly defiance in NM that I haven't found anywhere else.
I've tried to articulate that very notion before...it's hard to understand unless you come here for a bit...you can do and be anybody you want here and no one gives it a second thought
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:32:00am |
re: #387 reine.de.tout
The migrant community, I've no doubt we need. And in previous LGF days, I got blasted but good for saying that.
It's the criminal activity surrounding the entry of those folks that has me upset.
I am at a complete loss to understand how our government, with all the brain power of the US behind it, cannot come up with a plan to LEGALLY allow the migrant workers in to work, thus negating the need for any criminal enterprises to get them here.
I prefer to use "migrant community" and "undocumented worker" as the terms are accurate without raising the red flag of illegality which is what sends people over the top on this issue.
Our government won't be able to implement a plan for legal migrant labor so long as 'illegal alien' is the standard term used by law makers and media personalities alike.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:32:57am |
re: #408 darthstar
I prefer to use "migrant community" and "undocumented worker" as the terms are accurate without raising the red flag of illegality which is what sends people over the top on this issue.
Our government won't be able to implement a plan for legal migrant labor so long as 'illegal alien' is the standard term used by law makers and media personalities alike.
Not so sure that immigrant labor would be all that necessary with unemployment at 10% or so, but what do i know?
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:34:15am |
re: #377 darthstar
Thanks...and I know how that is...my wife has given several thousand dollars to her migrant employees over the last few years when they were in dire straits. Most paid her back. Our agriculture here in California depends greatly on migrant workers...many of whom cross the border illegally for summer work and then return to their home countries in the winter when they can get similar jobs further south.
The assumption amongst the anti-immigration community seems to be that all of the people coming across the border are here to do crime. That's simply not true, yet the fear that criminals are coming is the main motivation for blocking access to the rest of the migrant community.
Luis Guiterrez ([Link: www.gutierrez.house.gov...] had a standoff with JD Hayworth on Meet the Press this morning. He was amazing. He talked about a path to citizenship to make these people legal, tax paying citizens. He talked about employers not hiring illegals. He was advocating a social security card with picture ID that would be required of all employees upon going to work.
When McCain talked about a path to citizenship when he was governor, he was extremely unpopular with his base.
There are no studies that show how many illegals commit crimes v. U.S. citizens. So there's no way of telling if illegals commit more crimes or if it's just hype. But when supporters of this bill feel the need to rant against Jews and Blacks, when these anti-immigration rallies attract the KKK, it seems clear what their motivations are.
Does that represent every supporter of the bill? I'm sure not, but the bad apples are sure rotting out the whole barrel.
If anything positive is to come out of this, I hope it would force the federal government, where the problem really lies, to focus more on immigration reform which we absolutely need.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:36:54am |
re: #408 darthstar
I prefer to use "migrant community" and "undocumented worker" as the terms are accurate without raising the red flag of illegality which is what sends people over the top on this issue.
Our government won't be able to implement a plan for legal migrant labor so long as 'illegal alien' is the standard term used by law makers and media personalities alike.
I understand how you like to avoid "red flag" terms, but the fact is that they are here illegally, and my point (as you know, I'm just reiterating here) is that there is no need for their status to be "illegal".
The issues surrounding this are being played by politicians on all sides, without any resolution because, I think, each side benefits politically from those issues, but there are real people, on both sides of the border, whose lives are being adversely affected by the government's lack of action. It's very frustrating.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:37:43am |
re: #409 Guanxi88
Not so sure that immigrant labor would be all that necessary with unemployment at 10% or so, but what do i know?
Unemployment is around 12% in California, but when I drove to Monterey last weekend, the people picking strawberries in the fields sure as hell weren't white. It'd be interesting to see a study of the unemployment rate among the immigrant community (obviously, they can't collect unemployment benefits, but I'd like to know how many of them aren't working...I'm guessing that number is pretty low).
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:39:40am |
re: #412 darthstar
Unemployment is around 12% in California, but when I drove to Monterey last weekend, the people picking strawberries in the fields sure as hell weren't white. It'd be interesting to see a study of the unemployment rate among the immigrant community (obviously, they can't collect unemployment benefits, but I'd like to know how many of them aren't working...I'm guessing that number is pretty low).
'Course they're working. That's the point. Why in the hell do we need to exploit a foreign population while simultaneously bitching about domestic unemployment?
My wife's great-grandparents did field labor in CA back in the 30's; we did used to bring in the crops without having to exploit starving people in Mexico.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:40:16am |
the federal govt wants to exploit illegal aliens, at the polls and in business both...they have not figured out a way to get away with it yet that will satisfy the gen pop
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:40:46am |
re: #377 darthstar
Thanks...and I know how that is...my wife has given several thousand dollars to her migrant employees over the last few years when they were in dire straits. Most paid her back. . . .
I have no doubt that we'll be paid back, the guy comes over every couple of weeks to talk to the Roi and let him know he's not trying to avoid us, and will repay as soon as possible. We're not worried about the timeline.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:40:48am |
re: #414 albusteve
the federal govt wants to exploit illegal aliens, at the polls and in business both...they have not figured out a way to get away with it yet that will satisfy the gen pop
Bingo! Buy that man another round of whatever he's having.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:41:34am |
I've said before, I live in SoCal. In an area with many many neighborhoods of immigrants, legal and not.
I do not see the crime. I don't read about it in the paper every day. I don't deny it exists, but it is more within the immigrant community, unfortunately for them. And by passing a law that inhibits immigrants to come forward is only going to allow this crime to continue.
I love the variety of cultures I come across daily.
The way the immigrant "problem" is projected as something that threatens our good American life is fear mongering plain and simple.
But I only have my own experience to rely on.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:42:35am |
Watching Sharipova-Hardin in the French Open right now...I have to say, that's a lot of beautiful on one court.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:24am |
re: #417 Stanley Sea
I've said before, I live in SoCal. In an area with many many neighborhoods of immigrants, legal and not.
I do not see the crime. I don't read about it in the paper every day. I don't deny it exists, but it is more within the immigrant community, unfortunately for them. And by passing a law that inhibits immigrants to come forward is only going to allow this crime to continue.
I love the variety of cultures I come across daily.
The way the immigrant "problem" is projected as something that threatens our good American life is fear mongering plain and simple.
But I only have my own experience to rely on.
where is your goalpost?....why can't you say "illegal immigrants"....anything less is just dishonest
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:33am |
re: #417 Stanley Sea
. . .
I love the variety of cultures I come across daily.
. . .
My mom grew up in New Orleans, in a neighborhood with people from all sorts of places, and I can remember her telling me, too, how much she enjoyed and appreciated the variety of cultures she was exposed to.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:39am |
re: #418 darthstar
Watching Sharipova-Hardin in the French Open right now...I have to say, that's a lot of beautiful on one court.
re: #418 darthstar
Watching Sharipova-Hardin in the French Open right now...I have to say, that's a lot of beautiful on one court.
A man of fine judgment and discriminating taste. Well said.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:44:03am |
re: #419 albusteve
where is your goalpost?...why can't you say "illegal immigrants"...anything less is just dishonest
Cause I don't give a shit if they came here illegally or not.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:46:15am |
re: #417 Stanley Sea
I've said before, I live in SoCal. In an area with many many neighborhoods of immigrants, legal and not.
I do not see the crime. I don't read about it in the paper every day. I don't deny it exists, but it is more within the immigrant community, unfortunately for them. And by passing a law that inhibits immigrants to come forward is only going to allow this crime to continue.
I love the variety of cultures I come across daily.
The way the immigrant "problem" is projected as something that threatens our good American life is fear mongering plain and simple.
But I only have my own experience to rely on.
I visit So. Cal usually once a year. I should look you up :)
I live in Miami so I hear ya. I've never heard it as an issue here. Never. I've been here 30 years.
We do have issues re: wet foot/dry foot which allows all Cubans a path to citizenship automatically if they reach dry land. I support that law. My only gripe is that it should be extended to all people.
The day Elian Gonzalez was set back to Cuba, 10 Haitian children were deported under the exact same circumstances. Travel by boat, alone to the U.S. If Elian's father was not in the picture, no one would have heard about this.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:46:16am |
re: #422 Stanley Sea
Cause I don't give a shit if they came here illegally or not.
As a human sentiment, it's one i can share. As a matter of policy, it's a little thornier. Illegal immigrant labor is subject to abuse by both the criminal element and their employers, and the costs of the cheaper labor are off-loaded onto the community as a whole, as we see all too clearly in places with large illegal immigrant populations.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:48:45am |
re: #423 marjoriemoon
Oh yeah, I would love to meet you in person!
The Haitian vs. Cuban immigration rules are blatantly unfair.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:50:05am |
re: #425 Stanley Sea
Oh yeah, I would love to meet you in person!
The Haitian vs. Cuban immigration rules are blatantly unfair.
Indeed and the Haitians are far worse off since the black market thrives in Cuba. Especially now after the quake.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:50:09am |
re: #422 Stanley Sea
Cause I don't give a shit if they came here illegally or not.
words mean something regardless of how you feel
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:50:41am |
re: #425 Stanley Sea
Oh yeah, I would love to meet you in person!
The Haitian vs. Cuban immigration rules are blatantly unfair.
They are; the distinction is that Cubans are fleeing a dictatorship and political repression, whereas Haitians are treated as purely economic refugees. As a practical matter, conditions in haiti are probably worse than those in Cuba, as haiti lacks infrastructure in any form whatsoever.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 30, 2010 9:51:10am |
The gravitational pull of the US economy is such that nothing short of a force field is going to keep people from being drawn over here.
And our dislike of bureaucracy is going to prevent us from instituting a ntional identity card or a system of registered addresses, both of which would at least theoretically make it a lot easier to track and identify those who come over the border illegally.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:51:35am |
re: #423 marjoriemoon
I visit So. Cal usually once a year. I should look you up :)
I live in Miami so I hear ya. I've never heard it as an issue here. Never. I've been here 30 years.
We do have issues re: wet foot/dry foot which allows all Cubans a path to citizenship automatically if they reach dry land. I support that law. My only gripe is that it should be extended to all people.
The day Elian Gonzalez was set back to Cuba, 10 Haitian children were deported under the exact same circumstances. Travel by boat, alone to the U.S. If Elian's father was not in the picture, no one would have heard about this.
that entire policy is a hypocritical disgrace
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:51:38am |
re: #424 Guanxi88
As a human sentiment, it's one i can share. As a matter of policy, it's a little thornier. Illegal immigrant labor is subject to abuse by both the criminal element and their employers, and the costs of the cheaper labor are off-loaded onto the community as a whole, as we see all too clearly in places with large illegal immigrant populations.
I prefer to say "undocumented worker" - it means the same thing as "illegal" because the worker doesn't have legal documentation, but it doesn't carry the same level of predudice that "illegal" does.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:51:50am |
re: #429 ralphieboy
The gravitational pull of the US economy is such that nothing short of a force field is going to keep people from being drawn over here.
And our dislike of bureaucracy is going to prevent us from instituting a ntional identity card or a system of registered addresses, both of which would at least theoretically make it a lot easier to track and identify those who come over the border illegally.
I doubt a national ID card would work here. hell, we don't require positive identification to vote.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:47am |
re: #431 darthstar
I prefer to say "undocumented worker" - it means the same thing as "illegal" because the worker doesn't have legal documentation, but it doesn't carry the same level of predudice that "illegal" does.
Undocumented worker, though, carries the suggestion that the lack of documentation is just a sort of minor glitch or hang up, and not in fact a willful decision to fail to follow the law.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:53:44am |
re: #431 darthstar
I prefer to say "undocumented worker" - it means the same thing as "illegal" because the worker doesn't have legal documentation, but it doesn't carry the same level of predudice that "illegal" does.
it doesn't matter what you call it, the prejudice will continue...that part is human nature
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:03am |
re: #429 ralphieboy
And our dislike of bureaucracy is going to prevent us from instituting a ntional identity card or a system of registered addresses, both of which would at least theoretically make it a lot easier to track and identify those who come over the border illegally.
Will there be cries of Nazification and "Papers, please" if our beneficent lords and masters should institute a national ID card?
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:11am |
re: #433 Guanxi88
Undocumented worker, though, carries the suggestion that the lack of documentation is just a sort of minor glitch or hang up, and not in fact a willful decision to fail to follow the law.
True, but the only crime they're guilty of is being here. They're not raping kids, robbing banks, and shooting up neighborhoods. We need to decriminalize breathing our air.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:18am |
re: #432 Guanxi88
I doubt a national ID card would work here. hell, we don't require positive identification to vote.
an epic failure imo...even I would support a national ID and any point of view otherwise is simply unfounded
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 30, 2010 9:56:28am |
re: #433 Guanxi88
Undocumented worker, though, carries the suggestion that the lack of documentation is just a sort of minor glitch or hang up, and not in fact a willful decision to fail to follow the law.
In one sense, they are following the law: the Law of Supply and Demand. Both of which are more powerful than any legal sanctions or physical barriers we currently have in place.
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prairiefire Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:08am |
re: #417 Stanley Sea
Do you have any local folks selling Carne Asada? That stuff is delish![Link: www.authenticmexicanfoodrecipes.com...]
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:13am |
I don't know who the woman is announcing the tennis, but she just called Henin 'low class' for pumping her fist after a Sharipova mistake, but didn't say the same when Sharipova pumped her fist after a Henin double-fault.
This match is turning into a major battle right now...
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:37am |
I blow your head off with a gun. Am I an undocumented taker of life?
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:49am |
re: #433 Guanxi88
Undocumented worker, though, carries the suggestion that the lack of documentation is just a sort of minor glitch or hang up, and not in fact a willful decision to fail to follow the law.
A bank robbery: undocumented cash withdrawal.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:51am |
re: #439 prairiefire
Do you have any local folks selling Carne Asada? That stuff is delish![Link: www.authenticmexicanfoodrecipes.com...]
I got a pot of it going on the stove right now...
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:11am |
re: #438 ralphieboy
In one sense, they are following the law: the Law of Supply and Demand. Both of which are more powerful than any legal sanctions or physical barriers we currently have in place.
it's true; in the absence of a social welfare state, and birthright citizenship, the unrestricted flow of labor would be no problem, but the first two conditions do not obtain.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:21am |
re: #439 prairiefire
Do you have any local folks selling Carne Asada? That stuff is delish![Link: www.authenticmexicanfoodrecipes.com...]
tacos!
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:31am |
re: #435 Guanxi88
Will there be cries of Nazification and "Papers, please" if our beneficent lords and masters should institute a national ID card?
When Guiterrez was talking about a social security, ID card with picture that would have to be swiped when you start a job, I was thinking National ID. Would that be a national ID?
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:48am |
re: #433 Guanxi88
Undocumented worker, though, carries the suggestion that the lack of documentation is just a sort of minor glitch or hang up, and not in fact a willful decision to fail to follow the law.
It has also become a talking point and rallying cry for conservatives who think that the term "undocumented worker" is being used by liberals to mask or diminish the effects of illegal immigrants.
As I said earlier, all sides are playing this for political gain; meanwhile, there actual real live human beings whose lives are adversely affected by the lack of attention to the issue.
There is no reason that people should be here working and carrying the "illegal" stigma. There is a way to allow migrant workers in to work legally.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:01am |
re: #436 darthstar
True, but the only crime they're guilty of is being here. They're not raping kids, robbing banks, and shooting up neighborhoods. We need to decriminalize breathing our air.
As well as driving without a license or insurance!
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:16am |
re: #439 prairiefire
Do you have any local folks selling Carne Asada? That stuff is delish![Link: www.authenticmexicanfoodrecipes.com...]
had a nice mess of that last night, in honor of #1 daughter's graduation to 2nd grade. Flour tortillas, good rice, all the trimmings. A feast fit for a king.
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:31am |
re: #441 MandyManners
I blow your head off with a gun. Am I an undocumented taker of life?
Thank you for that brilliant contribution to the discussion.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 30, 2010 10:00:14am |
re: #441 MandyManners
I blow your head off with a gun. Am I an undocumented taker of life?
I blow the leaves off your driveway without a green card...
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 10:00:43am |
re: #439 prairiefire
Do you have any local folks selling Carne Asada? That stuff is delish![Link: www.authenticmexicanfoodrecipes.com...]
Are you kidding me! I have like 3 local markets that have the best. Along with homemade ceviche and pico.
I also buy my chicken there - the prices are 1/2 the grocery store.
Benefits!
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:01:55am |
The warning follows an indictment unsealed this month in Texas federal court that accuses a Somali man in Texas of running a “large-scale smuggling enterprise” responsible for bringing hundreds of Somalis from Brazil through South America and eventually across the Mexican border. Many of the illegal immigrants, who court records say were given fake IDs, are alleged to have ties to other now-defunct Somalian terror organizations that have merged with active organizations like Al Shabaab, al-Barakat and Al-Ittihad Al-Islami.
SNIP
In a separate case, Anthony Joseph Tracy, of Virginia, who admitted to having ties to Al Shabaab, is currently being prosecuted for his alleged role in an international ring that illegally brought more than 200 Somalis across the Mexican border. Prosecutors say Tracy used his Kenya-based travel business as a cover to fraudulently obtain Cuban travel documents for the Somalis. The smuggled Somalis are believed to have spread out across the United States and remain mostly at large, court records show.
SNIP
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:02:02am |
re: #446 marjoriemoon
When Guiterrez was talking about a social security, ID card with picture that would have to be swiped when you start a job, I was thinking National ID. Would that be a national ID?
I think it'd count. The problem would be in maintaining the security of the document itself, not to mention the civil liberties implications of a state of affairs that would require citizens to provide evidence that they are legally present in the land of their birth when, as a matter of policy, demanding that those not citizens or permanent residents carry evidence of their legal presence has been deemed a violation of civil and human rights.
I;m ambivalent about a national ID card or system, to tell you the truth.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:02:18am |
The other issue is that it take months to become fully legal, usually up to a year. There's background checks, fingerprinting, learning English, studying for the citizenship exam and, of course, the cost. I know a lot of folks who've been through this process. It's not quick.
So what happens to the folks in S. AZ who are in the middle of this process while they're being detained on a traffic violation?
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:02:47am |
re: #451 ralphieboy
I blow the leaves off your driveway without a green card...
I take a hammer to that noisy beast!
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:03:52am |
re: #456 marjoriemoon
The other issue is that it take months to become fully legal, usually up to a year. There's background checks, fingerprinting, learning English, studying for the citizenship exam and, of course, the cost. I know a lot of folks who've been through this process. It's not quick.
So what happens to the folks in S. AZ who are in the middle of this process while they're being detained on a traffic violation?
While you're in processing, or under appeal, you carry documentation - as required by federal statute and regulation - attesting to your status as legally within the united states. So long as you don't leave the country, and don't commit a felony, you should have no problem.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:04am |
re: #455 Guanxi88
I think it'd count. The problem would be in maintaining the security of the document itself, not to mention the civil liberties implications of a state of affairs that would require citizens to provide evidence that they are legally present in the land of their birth when, as a matter of policy, demanding that those not citizens or permanent residents carry evidence of their legal presence has been deemed a violation of civil and human rights.
I;m ambivalent about a national ID card or system, to tell you the truth.
I don't like it either. I don't understand the purpose when we have birth certificates and driver's licenses.
Besides, it still doesn't address those here legally on visas (work and school) who are not citizens, or those in the process of becoming citizens.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:00am |
re: #457 MandyManners
I take a hammer to that noisy beast!
But Senora! I was not using a leaf blower, I was down on all fours puffing away...I cannot afford a rake!
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:29am |
re: #458 Guanxi88
While you're in processing, or under appeal, you carry documentation - as required by federal statute and regulation - attesting to your status as legally within the united states. So long as you don't leave the country, and don't commit a felony, you should have no problem.
Knowing how most government agencies are run in this country, getting everything done properly and efficiently, it worries me.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:30am |
re: #456 marjoriemoon
The other issue is that it take months to become fully legal, usually up to a year. There's background checks, fingerprinting, learning English, studying for the citizenship exam and, of course, the cost. I know a lot of folks who've been through this process. It's not quick.
So what happens to the folks in S. AZ who are in the middle of this process while they're being detained on a traffic violation?
They'll get a traffic ticket and proceed
You're scenario (takes months/year) to fully become a citizen means that they are in the LEGAL process of becoming one, hence have all the proper credentials for when/ if they get stopped for speeding
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:06:07am |
re: #459 marjoriemoon
I don't like it either. I don't understand the purpose when we have birth certificates and driver's licenses.
Besides, it still doesn't address those here legally on visas (work and school) who are not citizens, or those in the process of becoming citizens.
F-1 and H-1 (and their dependents) are required to carry their documentation with them at all times; while undergoing the process to modify their status (whether to change to another visa category, or to become perm res) they are issued and must carry identification documents attesting to their legal presence. It's a bit of a hassle, but it's not that bad.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:14am |
re: #461 marjoriemoon
Knowing how most government agencies are run in this country, getting everything done properly and efficiently, it worries me.
I work with a ton of international students. In a worst case scenario, they give you a "run letter" - so called because it tells you you're out of status and need to leave the country ASAP. Anyone so inclined merely "runs" when they get such a letter, and disappear into the population as a whole.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 10:08:45am |
re: #465 Guanxi88
I work with a ton of international students. In a worst case scenario, they give you a "run letter" - so called because it tells you you're out of status and need to leave the country ASAP. Anyone so inclined merely "runs" when they get such a letter, and disappear into the population as a whole.
Yep, my friend teaches at an ESL school. Those folks just stay once it expires.
In all fairness, we need to go after all the nannies here from Europe on expired visas. I've met probably 5 in my day.
Also the Canadians who's (this was a long time ago, so I'm not sure if it's the same) Canadian ID is the same # of digits as our SS. These friends just changed where the dashes are. They're still here.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:10:36am |
re: #466 Stanley Sea
Yep, my friend teaches at an ESL school. Those folks just stay once it expires.
In all fairness, we need to go after all the nannies here from Europe on expired visas. I've met probably 5 in my day.
Also the Canadians who's (this was a long time ago, so I'm not sure if it's the same) Canadian ID is the same # of digits as our SS. These friends just changed where the dashes are. They're still here.
Expired visas are the real weak-point in our system, seems to me. I've not yet figured out a way around the problem - not that I'm some expert - but it's just so darned easy to come here and to stay if you're so inclined.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 30, 2010 10:11:05am |
Attn Pet owners: Do not use hartz flea or ear mite products. I'd known about the flea products for a while but I made the mistake of using the Harts Earmite meds on my cats and one had a really bad reaction. Luckily I only used about 1/4 of the recommended dosage. I took her to the emergency room late last night and she's doing better now.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:11:16am |
Their afternoon routine will change in August, when Zachary deploys to Afghanistan for six months and her husband, Air Force Sgt. Christopher Zachary, tackles the solo parenting duties for Ava and her 13-year-old half brother. Then in December, dad will deploy and the kids will go to Idaho and stay with an aunt until mom returns.
Growing numbers of American service members are married to each other — up 35 percent from 2000 to 2007 — and eight years of war that have stretched the military’s resources mean deployments for both spouses can come in rapid-fire succession.
Many of those couples have children, although the Pentagon does not track that number. For the kids, it means rarely having both parents at home simultaneously. When both are gone, or when duties keep the home partner too busy, extended families often come into play. Kids head to live with grandparents, aunts or other relatives, sometimes across the country.
It’s a unique sacrifice military families make to combine having a normal life with a state of drawn-out war. It has its own stresses and rewards, couples say.
SNIP
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:17am |
re: #460 ralphieboy
But Senora! I was not using a leaf blower, I was down on all fours puffing away...I cannot afford a rake!
You crack me up.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:39am |
re: #467 Guanxi88
Expired visas are the real weak-point in our system, seems to me. I've not yet figured out a way around the problem - not that I'm some expert - but it's just so darned easy to come here and to stay if you're so inclined.
And thats where "REFORM" must start, imho
Fixing the problems with the current system rather than adding a NEW system that will be fraught with unknown issues.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:02am |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
Attn Pet owners: Do not use hartz flea or ear mite products. I'd known about the flea products for a while but I made the mistake of using the Harts Earmite meds on my cats and one had a really bad reaction. Luckily I only used about 1/4 of the recommended dosage. I took her to the emergency room late last night and she's doing better now.
I was wondering what happened last night.
Glad to hear she's doing OK.
As we also found out the hard way, the OTC pet products available at the grocery or pharmacy are not good products to use, in fact, they are awful, cause lots of problems. I don't know why they are allowed to continue selling those products. We use only what we get from the vet's office.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:13am |
re: #466 Stanley Sea
I always joke with our students when they get nervous about their visa or their immigration status:
"your biggest mistake was your first - you followed the law. had you just shown up and overstayed a tourist visa, and hadn't informed us that you were not a citizen or perm res, we never would have let ICE know you existed."
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:14am |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
Attn Pet owners: Do not use hartz flea or ear mite products. I'd known about the flea products for a while but I made the mistake of using the Harts Earmite meds on my cats and one had a really bad reaction. Luckily I only used about 1/4 of the recommended dosage. I took her to the emergency room late last night and she's doing better now.
(((puddy tat)))
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:19am |
re: #464 Guanxi88
F-1 and H-1 (and their dependents) are required to carry their documentation with them at all times; while undergoing the process to modify their status (whether to change to another visa category, or to become perm res) they are issued and must carry identification documents attesting to their legal presence. It's a bit of a hassle, but it's not that bad.
That's good to know. I asked the question before, but never got an answer.
My biggest problem is what the Arizona bill has turned into or rather how it has "inspired" people who are against immigration to begin with. For many, far too many, it's giving them an outlet to express their racism and that's what has me so enraged.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:14:40am |
re: #475 marjoriemoon
Racists and bigots need precious little encouragement or occasion to show their pathologies; if not this, then something else.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:54am |
re: #476 Guanxi88
Racists and bigots need precious little encouragement or occasion to show their pathologies; if not this, then something else.
Indeed, but this has been called out to the national stage so I think it's become a lot worse.
(have to walk the pup... brb)
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 30, 2010 10:17:02am |
re: #472 reine.de.tout
I don't know why they are allowed to continue selling those products. We use only what we get from the vet's office.
That's what the vet said too. Most of those products shouldn't be sold and the see toxicity problems all the time.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:17:34am |
re: #475 marjoriemoon
how it has "inspired" people who are against immigration to begin with
They're against ANY immigration (legal or otherwise) to begin with. They need no further "inspir"ation.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:22:55am |
re: #478 Killgore Trout
That's what the vet said too. Most of those products shouldn't be sold and the see toxicity problems all the time.
Who regulates? The FDA?
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Charles Johnson Sun, May 30, 2010 10:25:56am |
Pamela Geller is shrieking again today -- she says Obama went to Chicago not to be with family and friends over Memorial Day, but to meet with Louis Farrakhan.
Yes, that's what she claimed.
It's false, of course.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 30, 2010 10:27:22am |
re: #460 ralphieboy
But Senora! I was not using a leaf blower, I was down on all fours puffing away...I cannot afford a rake!
A rake? I should have been so lucky.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:27:43am |
re: #480 MandyManners
Who regulates? The FDA?
I'm sure they are approved/ supervised by some gov't agency, and if it were a widespread problem there would be recalls and/ or discontinuations of otc pet meds
That said, we're had dogs for most of the past 20 years and we have used both OTC as well as vet brands with no problems
As with anything else, there are individual cases where an OTC is a problem
My son had an allergic reaction to an allergy shot administered by a specialist. There are several meds combined into one shot. Come to find out, one of the "several" was causing the reaction.
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Charles Johnson Sun, May 30, 2010 10:28:59am |
Geller now has the nerve to put copyright notices on her hate posts.
This is a woman who has absolutely no respect for anyone else's copyrights. She steals dozens of photos at a time from the media, or other sources. She steals pictures that are posted at my site and defaces them. She posts entire articles from other sites.
She's a perfect symbol of the modern right wing. Full of hate, reeking with hypocrisy, and flat dumb.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:00am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:22am |
re: #483 Charles
The media is covering it up too.
Well,,,, we'll be okay as long as Pam is in the case!
/
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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:35am |
re: #482 Charles
Pamela Geller is shrieking again today -- she says Obama went to Chicago not to be with family and friends over Memorial Day, but to meet with Louis Farrakhan.
Yes, that's what she claimed.
It's false, of course.
I blame Obama - he needs to spin things better so there's less polarising rhetoric. He's responsible for this tone.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:47am |
re: #480 MandyManners
Who regulates? The FDA?
I think there's a loophole because it's not for people to use. The vet explained it to me and it's essentially a nuerotoxin. Luckily the cats didn't have seizures but the younger one went into paranoid predator mode and started viciously attacking her snuggle buddy. She's better now but I'm going to have to keep them separated for a few days until it wears off.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:30:02am |
re: #482 Charles
Pamela Geller is shrieking again today -- she says Obama went to Chicago not to be with family and friends over Memorial Day, but to meet with Louis Farrakhan.
Yes, that's what she claimed.
It's false, of course.
Ha! it's a hell of stretch. Same neighborhood, true enough, but that's as far as it goes. She's conflating that bit of info with the bit about the Fruit of Islam stand-off :
[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]
| 492 |
Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 10:30:30am |
re: #482 Charles
Pamela Geller is shrieking again today -- she says Obama went to Chicago not to be with family and friends over Memorial Day, but to meet with Louis Farrakhan.
Yes, that's what she claimed.
It's false, of course.
She is such a dick.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:30:54am |
| 494 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 10:30:56am |
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darthstar Sun, May 30, 2010 10:31:06am |
re: #482 Charles
Pamela Geller is shrieking again today -- she says Obama went to Chicago not to be with family and friends over Memorial Day, but to meet with Louis Farrakhan.
Yes, that's what she claimed.
It's false, of course.
She never fails to fail.
| 496 |
Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:31:29am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:32:15am |
re: #490 Killgore Trout
I think there's a loophole because it's not for people to use. The vet explained it to me and it's essentially a nuerotoxin. Luckily the cats didn't have seizures but the younger one went into paranoid predator mode and started viciously attacking her snuggle buddy. She's better now but I'm going to have to keep them separated for a few days until it wears off.
Sounds wise.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:32:16am |
re: #490 Killgore Trout
I think there's a loophole because it's not for people to use. The vet explained it to me and it's essentially a nuerotoxin. Luckily the cats didn't have seizures but the younger one went into paranoid predator mode and started viciously attacking her snuggle buddy. She's better now but I'm going to have to keep them separated for a few days until it wears off.
Sorry about your vats, but are you sure you followed the dosage properly for theor size(s)?
neighbor had a similar issue with an OTC for one of her dogs. My dog (same size) was on the same med at the same time with no issue. In talking to her, come to find out, she figured if she gave her dog "just a little more" it would work faster/ better
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:33:27am |
re: #490 Killgore Trout
re: #498 sattv4u2
Sorry about your
vCats, but are you sure you followed the dosage properly for theor size(s)?neighbor had a similar issue with an OTC for one of her dogs. My dog (same size) was on the same med at the same time with no issue. In talking to her, come to find out, she figured if she gave her dog "just a little more" it would work faster/ better
gggrrr,,, i'm taking a typing class this summer ,, I swear!
| 500 |
Killgore Trout Sun, May 30, 2010 10:34:30am |
re: #498 sattv4u2
The recommended dosage on the bottle was something like 6-8 drops in each each twice a day. It seemed like an awful lot to me so I only did 2-3 drops once a day. A full dosage would have been really really bad.
| 501 |
Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 10:35:05am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
The recommended dosage on the bottle was something like 6-8 drops in each each twice a day. It seemed like an awful lot to me so I only did 2-3 drops once a day. A full dosage would have been really really bad.
Poor kittehs!
| 502 |
Four More Tears Sun, May 30, 2010 10:35:43am |
re: #486 Charles
And my mother is glued to her every word :(
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:35:50am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
The recommended dosage on the bottle was something like 6-8 drops in each each twice a day. It seemed like an awful lot to me so I only did 2-3 drops once a day. A full dosage would have been really really bad.
K , just thinking out loud. You should contact Haartz 1st thing tomorrow
| 504 |
sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:38:25am |
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 10:40:14am |
C'mon, people. Pamela Geller is the only person alive who has the courage to note the convergence of Obama being in Chicago on the same day as the top guy from the Nation of Islam. There has to be a reason for that. I mean, would Robert Spencer support a crazy bitch who cooked up bogus conspiracy theories just to feed her ego and keep her insane blog posters happy?
Hi, Robert!
| 506 |
prairiefire Sun, May 30, 2010 10:41:59am |
re: #452 Stanley Sea
Are you kidding me! I have like 3 local markets that have the best. Along with homemade ceviche and pico.
I also buy my chicken there - the prices are 1/2 the grocery store.
Benefits!
Right! Also, they have a cut of beef that our local butcher does not sell. I can't remember the name, at the moment. It is like flank steak, but the way they cut it makes the beef more tender and easier to marinade.
I am jealous.
[Link: allrecipes.com...]
Do the markets sell fideo?
| 507 |
What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42:50am |
re: #479 sattv4u2
how it has "inspired" people who are against immigration to begin with
They're against ANY immigration (legal or otherwise) to begin with. They need no further "inspir"ation.
The inspiration has come in the form of projecting their racism publicly.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42:50am |
re: #482 Charles
Pamela Geller is shrieking again today -- she says Obama went to Chicago not to be with family and friends over Memorial Day, but to meet with Louis Farrakhan.
Yes, that's what she claimed.
It's false, of course.
makes no sense at all. As the son of Malcolm X, why would BHO meet with the man who ordered his father's assassination?
| 510 |
Killgore Trout Sun, May 30, 2010 10:43:26am |
re: #503 sattv4u2
K , just thinking out loud. You should contact Haartz 1st thing tomorrow
They know. Google search about their flea meds, the videos that people post of their pets having seizures and heartbreaking. I knew about the Hartz flea meds but I didn't think the earmite meds contained the same ingredient. HArtz has known about this for a very long time and my call isn't going to help.
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researchok Sun, May 30, 2010 10:45:43am |
re: #482 Charles
Pamela Geller is shrieking again today -- she says Obama went to Chicago not to be with family and friends over Memorial Day, but to meet with Louis Farrakhan.
Yes, that's what she claimed.
It's false, of course.
Pam Geller is long term job security for psychotherapists.
| 512 |
What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:46:22am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
The recommended dosage on the bottle was something like 6-8 drops in each each twice a day. It seemed like an awful lot to me so I only did 2-3 drops once a day. A full dosage would have been really really bad.
Sorry you had to learn the hard way :( I haven't used Hartz products in 20 years, save for a very occasional flea collar which doesn't really work anyway.
You have to buy the stuff from your vet and pay big money for it to keep your pets vermin free, unfortunately.
| 513 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 10:47:24am |
re: #511 researchok
Pam Geller is long term job security for psychotherapists.
And vodka manufacturers.
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 10:48:29am |
re: #511 researchok
Pam Geller is long term job security for psychotherapists.
And Fox News, where she's now a respected regular commentator.
Fux to Fox.
| 515 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 10:48:35am |
re: #510 Killgore Trout
They know. Google search about their flea meds, the videos that people post of their pets having seizures and heartbreaking. I knew about the Hartz flea meds but I didn't think the earmite meds contained the same ingredient. HArtz has known about this for a very long time and my call isn't going to help.
What will it take Hartz to stop manufacturing this toxin?
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:50:16am |
re: #507 marjoriemoon
The inspiration has come in the form of projecting their racism publicly.
Good. Now we know who they are!
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:52:14am |
re: #510 Killgore Trout
They know. Google search about their flea meds, the videos that people post of their pets having seizures and heartbreaking. I knew about the Hartz flea meds but I didn't think the earmite meds contained the same ingredient. HArtz has known about this for a very long time and my call isn't going to help.
incorrect, imho
A) another testimonial
B) Tell them you want re-imbursement, if not for the vet bills at least for the product you bought
| 518 |
Killgore Trout Sun, May 30, 2010 10:53:09am |
re: #515 MandyManners
What will it take Hartz to stop manufacturing this toxin?
I don't know. They've been doing it for years and they don't seem to be motivated to stop. I suppose they'll stop making it when people stop buying it.
| 519 |
What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:53:42am |
re: #515 MandyManners
What will it take Hartz to stop manufacturing this toxin?
The EPA regulates pet products. It comes under the heading of pesticides. There is some FDA regulation as well.
[Link: pesticides.custhelp.com...]
EPA regulates pesticides according to the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act. Before a spot-on is registered, sufficient information must be provided to assess any potential risks to human and pet health and the environment. EPA also requires that specific labeling be included with the product so that it can be used according to the directions and precautions.
Because fleas and ticks are classified as public heath pests, products that control these pests must be shown to be efficacious before registration. These products can be identified by the "EPA Registration Number" on the label.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) also has responsibility to regulate certain flea and tick products (those products are not covered by this advisory).
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:53:55am |
K kiddies
Gotta go fire up the grill
The LOCUSTS (sons freinds) should be descending on my house soon for the Mem Day Overnighter
ummm,,, anyone sen my Valium, Sleeping Pills and 5th of Vodka !?!?!
| 521 |
Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 10:55:43am |
re: #506 prairiefire
I'm not sure about fideo - you have just enlightened me to something new, I will check next visit.
| 522 |
What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:56:45am |
re: #510 Killgore Trout
They know. Google search about their flea meds, the videos that people post of their pets having seizures and heartbreaking. I knew about the Hartz flea meds but I didn't think the earmite meds contained the same ingredient. HArtz has known about this for a very long time and my call isn't going to help.
They have known about it. I've heard about these complaints for years which is why I've never used Haartz products, but it doesn't seem to stop them from getting sold. I've never had an issue with Frontline or Advantage, but you can't get those in the grocery store.
| 523 |
Killgore Trout Sun, May 30, 2010 10:57:07am |
The top google result for Hartz Ear Mite goes to Hartz Victims dot org
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 11:02:23am |
Scratching my head.
Watching a BP spokesman on CNN and thinking to myself, "oh boy, not another middle aged oil playboy." He looks like they grabbed him out of his mid life crisis weekend in his Ferrari.
Some guy named Bob Dudley. He used to be BP's "Russian boss" who "went into hiding" by setting up a secret HQ during a dispute with their Russian partners.
| 525 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 11:13:01am |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
I don't know. They've been doing it for years and they don't seem to be motivated to stop. I suppose they'll stop making it when people stop buying it.
Or, when someone sues the shit out of them.
| 526 |
MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 11:13:46am |
re: #519 marjoriemoon
The EPA regulates pet products. It comes under the heading of pesticides. There is some FDA regulation as well.
[Link: pesticides.custhelp.com...]
EPA regulates pesticides according to the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act. Before a spot-on is registered, sufficient information must be provided to assess any potential risks to human and pet health and the environment. EPA also requires that specific labeling be included with the product so that it can be used according to the directions and precautions.
Because fleas and ticks are classified as public heath pests, products that control these pests must be shown to be efficacious before registration. These products can be identified by the "EPA Registration Number" on the label.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) also has responsibility to regulate certain flea and tick products (those products are not covered by this advisory).
Thank you.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 11:14:16am |
re: #524 Gus 802
Dudley has a long history of doing business in Russia in particular and teh Pacific rim in general for both BP and prior to that Amoco
He has multiple degrees (BA in chem engineering from the U of Ill and MBA from SMU and an MIM degree,, all three very useful for what Amoco and BP have used him for)..
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 30, 2010 11:16:55am |
re: #524 Gus 802
re: #524 Gus 802
Scratching my head.
Watching a BP spokesman on CNN and thinking to myself, "oh boy, not another middle aged oil playboy." He looks like they grabbed him out of his mid life crisis weekend in his Ferrari.
Some guy named Bob Dudley. He used to be BP's "Russian boss" who "went into hiding" by setting up a secret HQ during a dispute with their Russian partners.
conclusion, he's far from some "middle aged oil playboy" who " they grabbed out of his mid life crisis weekend in his Ferrari".
| 529 |
Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 11:17:39am |
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 2:08:02pm |
re: #408 darthstar
I prefer to use "migrant community" and "undocumented worker" as the terms are accurate without raising the red flag of illegality which is what sends people over the top on this issue.
Our government won't be able to implement a plan for legal migrant labor so long as 'illegal alien' is the standard term used by law makers and media personalities alike.
Lets be sure to also refer to shoplifters as "undocumented customers" and rapists as "misunderstood lovers". Carjackers can be called "Hitchhikers" and home invaders "unannounced guests."
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Obdicut Sun, May 30, 2010 3:33:46pm |
re: #530 Bagua
Lets be sure to also refer to shoplifters as "undocumented customers" and rapists as "misunderstood lovers". Carjackers can be called "Hitchhikers" and home invaders "unannounced guests."
Why would we do that? We could just call everyone who commits a misdemeanor-- which is what most visa violations and illegal entry into the US are-- 'illegal citizens'. Then we'll have parity.
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