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1 windsagio  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:09:32pm

That is an unusually awesome video >>

2 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:10:38pm

Thanks for sharing this. My own father was in the Pacific war, in the islands of the South Pacific. If the war had gone on for several more months I might not even had been born.

3 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:11:13pm

OMG the quality is amazing! Like new. They were reel to reel I'm assuming? I have some of my parents when I was a kid that I had put on VCR tapes, but I want to have them redone on DVD.

4 Mark Pennington  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:12:08pm

Fantastic!

5 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:12:28pm

re: #3 marjoriemoon

The scanned film probably went through noise reduction.

6 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:14:16pm

What a great video!

7 albusteve  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:14:31pm

man, check out all the cool old cars!

8 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:17:10pm

just WOW! I loved seeing the flags with 48 stars ... what a great clip

9 albusteve  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:17:21pm

very poignant film....the razors edge between bad times behind and better times ahead

10 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:17:56pm

re: #5 freetoken

The scanned film probably went through noise reduction.

The song sounds like it was laid over it, but then you hear some street noise and horns. My film reels (super 8 is it called?) don't have any sound so I put a soundtrack on it.

11 Stinky Beaumont  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:22:20pm

This is an amazing film for me -- I grew up in this town, and I actually recognize many of the locations.

12 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:24:25pm

re: #11 Stinky Beaumont

This is an amazing film for me -- I grew up in this town, and I actually recognize many of the locations.

Truth be told, I thought it was yours at first! I didn't see the Richard Sullivan part.

13 albusteve  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:25:14pm

re: #11 Stinky Beaumont

This is an amazing film for me -- I grew up in this town, and I actually recognize many of the locations.

ahhh...didn't think of that angle, good for you

14 Irenicum  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:28:24pm

Wow Charles. That's an amazing video in so many ways. My father was serving at Pearl Harbor at that time as a civilian after the attacks till the end of the war. It's really freaky and also wonderful to think he could be in some of those scenes. Thank you doesn't begin to express my feelings.

15 Digital Display  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:29:13pm

Thanks Charles...

16 albusteve  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:33:30pm

imagine the sense of relief, after 3 1/2 years of brutal fighting and sacrifice...what a buzz that must have been, a melancholy joy of some sort...the harshest, most difficult war the US will ever fight, and it was finally over

17 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:34:19pm

Beautiful.

18 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:35:14pm

OT: For all you comic lovers out there, the blog Atomic Surgery put up a post about a 1965 DC comic:

The Hero of 50,000,000 B.C.

19 albusteve  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:36:35pm

re: #18 freetoken

OT: For all you comic lovers out there, the blog Atomic Surgery put up a post about a 1965 DC comic:

The Hero of 50,000,000 B.C.

I became the Sun Creature!
(Hoops)

20 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:40:44pm

Sorry I dropped out the discussion on the last thread, I had a lengthy coughing fit. Took some time to get my head back on straight.

21 fizzlogic  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:44:06pm

Awesome video. But it makes me sad missing my parents.

22 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:44:14pm

Compare/contrast this with the behavior of the Jordyptians after 9/11/01.

23 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:44:36pm

Spectacular footage.

24 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:46:10pm

Yes, I am a turd in the punch-bowl.

25 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:46:40pm

re: #22 MandyManners

Compare/contrast this with the behavior of the Jordyptians after 9/11/01.

I'd rather celebrate America than focus on her enemies, but to each their own I suppose.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:48:12pm

re: #24 MandyManners

Yes, I am a turd in the punch-bowl.

Nope, you're just our Mandy. :)

27 albusteve  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:49:41pm

re: #25 McSpiff

I'd rather celebrate America than focus on her enemies, but to each their own I suppose.

so celebrate!...oh you mean in real life, not on a blog?

28 Cato the Elder  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:49:54pm

Meanwhile, back on the last thread, someone is defending this cartoon as being not that far removed from the reality of Israeli-American designs on the poor Arab world. And other someones are updinging that comment.

I used to think I knew what to expect here, but not anymore.

29 albusteve  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:51:05pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, back on the last thread, someone is defending this cartoon as being not that far removed from the reality of Israeli-American designs on the poor Arab world. And other someones are updinging that comment.

I used to think I knew what to expect here, but not anymore.

I'm not at all surprised...I followed that exchange

30 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:52:39pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, back on the last thread, someone is defending this cartoon as being not that far removed from the reality of Israeli-American designs on the poor Arab world. And other someones are updinging that comment.

I used to think I knew what to expect here, but not anymore.

And interesting, but I posed 3 questions on the reaction to that cartoon, and crickets...

31 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:53:23pm

re: #27 albusteve

so celebrate!...oh you mean in real life, not on a blog?

Sadly being in Canada, and being midnight on a Sunday both limits the amount of fun I can have. We did have the Queen's Birthday last weekend, and that was a load of fun.

32 ryannon  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:54:02pm

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

And interesting, but I posed 3 questions on the reaction to that cartoon, and crickets...

They're on the menu. Anything else, sir?

33 Cato the Elder  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:56:00pm

Good night, Windbagio.

34 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:56:32pm

re: #31 McSpiff

Sadly being in Canada, and being midnight on a Sunday both limits the amount of fun I can have. We did have the Queen's Birthday last weekend, and that was a load of fun.

Try curling... it's a 24/7 sport.

35 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:57:49pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Try curling... it's a 24/7 sport.

We get about two and half weeks of summer around here and I do not intend to spend them in a rink thank you very much!

36 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 7:59:28pm

re: #25 McSpiff

I'd rather celebrate America than focus on her enemies, but to each their own I suppose.

But, to each HER own.

37 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:00:01pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Nope, you're just our Mandy. :)

Well, *smooch* you!

38 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:00:55pm

re: #31 McSpiff

Sadly being in Canada, and being midnight on a Sunday both limits the amount of fun I can have. We did have the Queen's Birthday last weekend, and that was a load of fun.

WHEN CORGIS GO WILD!

39 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:01:21pm

re: #33 Cato the Elder

Good night, Windbagio.

Ooh. Noted

40 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:01:42pm

And on a side note... well, one more night substituting for the overnight checker/stocker... this part time job is turning more and more into a 3/4 time job... I'm thinking the Self-Scan could be a little more busy tonight since it is right before a holiday monday, and we also get a lot of tourist and travelers headed through the mountains...

I hope Self-Scan is busier tonight than last night... the more time I have to spend taking care of the 6 Self-Scan stations, the less time I have to spend with the "long shore men" night crew.

If anyone is near the Conifer Colorado King Soopers (Krogers) store tonight, stop in for a Starbucks and a chat.

41 albusteve  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:02:21pm

I'm out like John Wayne in the Sands of Iwo Jima

42 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:02:44pm

re: #41 albusteve

I'm out like John Wayne in the Sands of Iwo Jima

Night Steve... stop in at the store tonight if you get a chance.

43 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:03:17pm

re: #38 MandyManners

WHEN CORGIS GO WILD!

The ironic part is most people have no idea that "Victoria Day" is actually the Queen's official Canadian Birthday. I love this country. Give the people an excuse to take a day off and drink and no one questions it.

44 Bear  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:03:35pm

I was a green replacement in one of the divisions scheduled to make the initial invasion of the Japanese Homeland.

When we got word of the surrender even though the regiment had a beer ration that day, there was no real celebration. We were just very quiet realizing that perhaps we might get home and not face the 80% casualty we were told that were expected in the invasion. There was one shot I heard that evening and it was from an adjacent company, not ours.

45 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:03:38pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

I ADORE CONIFER!!!

46 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:04:32pm

re: #43 McSpiff

The ironic part is most people have no idea that "Victoria Day" is actually the Queen's official Canadian Birthday. I love this country. Give the people an excuse to take a day off and drink and no one questions it.

Dude, it's pretty much universal.

The attitude, that is.

47 windsagio  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:04:40pm

re: #41 albusteve

'nite Marion!

48 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:05:18pm

re: #44 Bear

I was a green replacement in one of the divisions scheduled to make the initial invasion of the Japanese Homeland.

When we got word of the surrender even though the regiment had a beer ration that day, there was no real celebration. We were just very quiet realizing that perhaps we might get home and not face the 80% casualty we were told that were expected in the invasion. There was one shot I heard that evening and it was from an adjacent company, not ours.

Thank you for your service. I'm glad that you and many others were spared that meatgrinder.

49 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #44 Bear

I was a green replacement in one of the divisions scheduled to make the initial invasion of the Japanese Homeland.

When we got word of the surrender even though the regiment had a beer ration that day, there was no real celebration. We were just very quiet realizing that perhaps we might get home and not face the 80% casualty we were told that were expected in the invasion. There was one shot I heard that evening and it was from an adjacent company, not ours.

Bless your heart, Bear.

50 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:06:39pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Dude, it's pretty much universal.

The attitude, that is.

See, that's what a healthy cultural divide looks like. I respect the fact that Americans got drunk this week, y'all seem to respect that we did it last weekend. If only the rest of the world was so understanding...

51 lostlakehiker  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:07:28pm

re: #16 albusteve

imagine the sense of relief, after 3 1/2 years of brutal fighting and sacrifice...what a buzz that must have been, a melancholy joy of some sort...the harshest, most difficult war the US will ever fight, and it was finally over

Sadly, we don't know that. The future could hold all sorts of evils, especially if we make big mistakes.

52 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:28pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

Sadly, we don't know that. The future could hold all sorts of evils, especially if we make big mistakes.

Updinged, but I can't see the world having a conflict both that large in terms of scale, and that long. I'm from the school of thought that says the next big one will be measured in months at the most...

53 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:28pm

re: #45 MandyManners

I ADORE CONIFER!!!

I adore you! Conifer, the real home of South Park of course, the home of Parker and Stone, with all the Conifer "charm" transposed to a cartoon series and placed in the fictional Colorado mountain town of "South Park."

Of course, the actual South Park is not a town, but a mountain meadow about 60 mile further southwest of here.

It is a beautiful sight to look out the large entrance of the supermarket and see the outline of the mountains and the stars and clouds during the night...

But I prefer staying on the day shift/evening shift... these forays into overnights are few and far between, but they do happen. I'd rather see the outline of the mountains and the sky in daylight.

54 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:46pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

Sadly, we don't know that. The future could hold all sorts of evils, especially if we make big mistakes.

I disagree with Steve's assertion. The Civil War no doubt had far greater casualties and suffering (for Americans.)

Also, I will go you one better and say: The future will hold all sorts of evils, regardless if we make big mistakes or not.

55 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:10:28pm

Out of here... off to work, a cup of java, then clock in at 10:00... (I leave early, I like to be there about 1/2 hour before I start, store is only 10 minutes away).

56 brookly red  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:11:16pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

Sadly, we don't know that. The future could hold all sorts of evils, especially if we make big mistakes.

Yup, and the biggest mistake of all is to see it coming and do nothing.

57 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:13:41pm

And in other news, the Stalkers are obsessing over the Correlator Tool Charles used to ferret out so many of their sockpuppets. Naturally, they could keep on topic and rapidly veered off into the fever swamp of schoolyard insults aimed at Charles, Iceweasel and Killgore. Three people who clearly live in the Stalkers' heads.

58 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:15:29pm

re: #50 McSpiff

See, that's what a healthy cultural divide looks like. I respect the fact that Americans got drunk this week, y'all seem to respect that we did it last weekend. If only the rest of the world was so understanding...

Hey. McSpiff?


59 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:16:19pm

Nice Hawaii video. Maybe someday we'll have a president from there./// /// ///

60 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:16:32pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Out of here... off to work, a cup of java, then clock in at 10:00... (I leave early, I like to be there about 1/2 hour before I start, store is only 10 minutes away).

Walter, I salute you. Your devotion to your work and doing your best is a inspiration to us all. Its people like you who make our nation great.

61 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:16:37pm

Bad news for Tolkien and Jackson fans:

Director quits 'Hobbit' film over production delay

62 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:17:42pm

re: #59 JasonA

Nice Hawaii video. Maybe someday we'll have a president from there./// /// ///

YOU'VE BEEN DUPED!!!1 HE'S GOT NO NIRTH CERTIFIKATE FROM HAWAII!!11

/Nirther

63 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:17:50pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

I adore you! Conifer, the real home of South Park of course, the home of Parker and Stone, with all the Conifer "charm" transposed to a cartoon series and placed in the fictional Colorado mountain town of "South Park."

Of course, the actual South Park is not a town, but a mountain meadow about 60 mile further southwest of here.

It is a beautiful sight to look out the large entrance of the supermarket and see the outline of the mountains and the stars and clouds during the night...

But I prefer staying on the day shift/evening shift... these forays into overnights are few and far between, but they do happen. I'd rather see the outline of the mountains and the sky in daylight.

I spent many a hour gazing over the range.

64 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:18:06pm

This hasn't gotten any play here (I think):

Officers arrest 'person of interest' on diverted plane

An Aeromexico flight from France to Mexico was diverted to Montreal, Canada, Sunday because a "person of interest" was on board, a Transportation Security Administration spokesman said.

Law enforcement officers removed the passenger from the flight after it landed at the Montreal airport, and arrested the individual on an outstanding warrant, TSA spokesman Sterling Payne said.

All other passengers were rescreened before the flight continued to its destination of Mexico City, Mexico, he said. The Boeing 767 originated in Paris, France.

Payne said TSA would continue to monitor the flight.

65 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:18:08pm

re: #61 freetoken

Bad news for Tolkien and Jackson fans:

Director quits 'Hobbit' film over production delay

Dammit! I was looking forward to seeing what he would do with that.

66 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:18:35pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Out of here... off to work, a cup of java, then clock in at 10:00... (I leave early, I like to be there about 1/2 hour before I start, store is only 10 minutes away).

Take care, Walter!

67 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:19:26pm

re: #65 JasonA

It's beginning to look like the movie is languishing. I don't know if they had hoped to cast any of the LOTR actors, but if they did and delays continue then, well, the actors might not be available.

68 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:22:24pm

re: #25 McSpiff

I'd rather celebrate America than focus on her enemies, but to each their own I suppose.

One fucking tracked mind.

70 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:26:27pm

The woodies in the clip were awesome, eh Spare?

71 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:26:30pm

re: #68 Stanley Sea

One fucking tracked mind.

Coool, Stunley. Very coool.

72 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:27:37pm

re: #71 Spare O'Lake

I just love how a VJ day video turns pronto into the middle east.

73 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:28:09pm

Oh, and this Justified show?

Yeah. Got it.

It's as real as Hollywood can make it.

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:31:50pm

Can't get online. Fuck.
Restart computer.
Still no. Fuck.
Restart box from cable company.
Still no. Fuck.
Yell at cat. It tells me to fuck off.
Restart computer and the box. Nothing fuck.
Kick chair, hurt foot. Fuck.
Ice down foot. Fuck.
Decide that the ice should be used for my drinks and the pain would go away eventually. Priorities.
Restart the router.
Here I am.
Evening Honcos!!

75 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:32:12pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

I just love how a VJ day video turns pronto into the middle east.

Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.

76 brookly red  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:26pm

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can't get online. Fuck.
Restart computer.
Still no. Fuck.
Restart box from cable company.
Still no. Fuck.
Yell at cat. It tells me to fuck off.
Restart computer and the box. Nothing fuck.
Kick chair, hurt foot. Fuck.
Ice down foot. Fuck.
Decide that the ice should be used for my drinks and the pain would go away eventually. Priorities.
Restart the router.
Here I am.
Evening Honcos!!

don't turn your back on the cat...

77 firstinla  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:36pm

Good evening, Lizards!
Thank you to all members, past and present, of our military for the freedoms we too easily take for granted. A special thank you for all those who made the greatest sacrifice that we enjoy today.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:43pm

re: #75 Spare O'Lake

Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.

Are all these insults really necessary?

79 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:43pm

re: #75 Spare O'Lake

miserable little fucks

Yeah, you are the go-to-guy for recognizing "miserable little fucks," aren't you?

80 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:07pm

re: #75 Spare O'Lake

Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.

Ha, says the poster who apparently has switched over to personal attacks for the evening. It's getting old Spare, it really is.

81 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:45pm

re: #76 brookly red

don't turn your back on the cat...

That's hard to avoid. Cats walk silently, so they can get behind you with ease.

82 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:49pm

re: #76 brookly red

don't turn your back on the cat...

I got home and heard a meow and scratching. Then I heard it again. The cat overlord spent the day in a hallway closet. D'oh!!!

83 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:35:11pm

re: #75 Spare O'Lake

Progs among us.

84 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:35:35pm

re: #75 Spare O'Lake

Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.

I'm starting to think you like that people pile on you. We should have another one of those BDSM threads.

85 brookly red  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:35:45pm

re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar

I got home and heard a meow and scratching. Then I heard it again. The cat overlord spent the day in a hallway closet. D'oh!!!

some one will pay dearly...

86 firstinla  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:35:54pm

Basement cats, ceiling cats but sometimes closet cats are the most dangerous.

87 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:07pm

re: #75 Spare O'Lake

Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.

Oh Spare me.

I'm going to watch the video again, to get the feeling back.

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:16pm

re: #85 brookly red

some one will pay dearly...

I freed it. I feel safe.

89 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:22pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Progs among us.

Run for the hills!

90 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:31pm

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hi
Glad you made it. Have a drink!

91 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:53pm

re: #61 freetoken

Bad news for Tolkien and Jackson fans:

Director quits 'Hobbit' film over production delay

Oh no!! Maybe another studio will pick it up?

92 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:37:16pm

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Ding as you desire.

93 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:37:30pm

re: #90 Rightwingconspirator

Hi
Glad you made it. Have a drink!

Don't mind if I do.:)
How's D_L?

94 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:03pm

re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't mind if I do.:)
How's D_L?

Yeah! How's D_L?

We miss her!!!!

95 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:37pm

re: #92 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Ding as you desire.

Honestly, what did you expect with the prog comment? I didn't ding either way, but I'm genuinely curious about why you seemed shocked by the down dings.

96 brookly red  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:48pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Progs among us.

ask your doctor about new Prognomore... there are no side effects it's all good.

97 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:39:06pm

re: #91 marjoriemoon

Oh no!! Maybe another studio will pick it up?

:( man. That sucks. Guillermo del Toro would've made a great movie.

98 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:05pm

re: #91 marjoriemoon

It's still Jackson's project, but having the chosen director step down from that job indicates that the project isn't going very far very quickly.

99 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:40pm

re: #86 firstinla

Basement cats, ceiling cats but sometimes closet cats are the most dangerous.

Cats often sleep in the closet, especially if you pile cloths there.

100 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:53pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Are all these insults really necessary?

No. Not all.

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:41:22pm

Watched the NatGeo thingy on Saddam, with the guy who interrogated Saddam. Dude asked Saddam if he had anything to do with OBL. Saddam called OBL a zealot. Heh.

102 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:41:42pm

If anyone thinks s/he can influence me using dirty techniques, I invite that asshole to click on my avatar.

I'm an old Lizard.

You cannot intimidate me.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

103 JG2K7  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:42:02pm

Truly a great video. Thank you for sharing this, Charles. A happy memorial day to you and yours.

104 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:42:35pm

re: #100 Spare O'Lake

No. Not all.

"But its sterile, and I like the taste."

105 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:42:52pm

re: #98 freetoken

It's still Jackson's project, but having the chosen director step down from that job indicates that the project isn't going very far very quickly.

It was a good article. Jackson said it was going to be two movies? How totally awesome that would be. del Toro is fabulous. What a drag.

106 Canucknghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:01pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, back on the last thread, someone is defending this cartoon as being not that far removed from the reality of Israeli-American designs on the poor Arab world. And other someones are updinging that comment.

I used to think I knew what to expect here, but not anymore.

You didn't see my follow up.

107 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:04pm

re: #102 MandyManners

I'm an old Lizard.


Too easy.

Just too damn easy.

108 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:53pm

re: #102 MandyManners

If anyone thinks s/he can influence me using dirty techniques, I invite that asshole to click on my avatar.

I'm an old Lizard.

You cannot intimidate me.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Also explains the paranoia.

//
Look, I'll buy you a beer sometime to smooth this all over.

109 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:59pm

re: #107 JasonA

Too easy.

Just too damn easy.


Too easy for what?

110 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:44:34pm

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

Watched the NatGeo thingy on Saddam, with the guy who interrogated Saddam. Dude asked Saddam if he had anything to do with OBL. Saddam called OBL a zealot. Heh.

Oh I missed it! What was the guy's name, you remember?

He had training camps for Al Queda in the country and he met with OBL's operatives over that.

111 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:44:37pm

NatGeo is doing a thing on Troofers right now. These fucker need a beating.

112 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:44:58pm

re: #108 McSpiff

Also explains the paranoia.

//
Look, I'll buy you a beer sometime to smooth this all over.

I don't drink beer.

113 firstinla  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:01pm

re: #108 McSpiff

Also explains the paranoia.

//
Look, I'll buy you a beer sometime to smooth this all over.

Cool: a beer summit. What a novel idea!

114 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:33pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

Yeah! How's D_L?

We miss her!!!

re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't mind if I do.:)
How's D_L?

She is just fine. Bit too busy to blog. Says Hi, *blows kiss, waves* Thanks for asking. She did PA for me at recent shoots.

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:33pm

re: #110 marjoriemoon

The FBI guy was named George Rico.

116 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:34pm

re: #107 JasonA

Too easy.

Just too damn easy.

My thoughts exactly, but on the "dirty tricks" part.

117 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:54pm

re: #112 MandyManners

I don't drink beer.

Whaaaat?! What's the lady's drink of choice then?

118 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:10pm

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can't get online. Fuck.
Restart computer.
Still no. Fuck.
Restart box from cable company.
Still no. Fuck.
Yell at cat. It tells me to fuck off.
Restart computer and the box. Nothing fuck.
Kick chair, hurt foot. Fuck.
Ice down foot. Fuck.
Decide that the ice should be used for my drinks and the pain would go away eventually. Priorities.
Restart the router.
Here I am.
Evening Honcos!!

hehehe.
Again, as it was this morning, your timing is impeccable.

119 brookly red  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:14pm

re: #112 MandyManners

I don't drink beer.

can I have yours? I trade you some chocolate for it...

120 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:18pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Too easy for what?

Jokes, Mandy. I was about to quote that line and call you "Jurassic," but I threw that fish back in the pond. No fun in it at all.

121 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:31pm

re: #117 McSpiff

Whaaat?! What's the lady's drink of choice then?

She is a bourbon girl, IIRC.

122 Reginald Perrin  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:46pm

Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.

Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.

123 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:47:04pm

re: #116 Nimed

My thoughts exactly, but on the "dirty tricks" part.

Speak up.

124 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:47:38pm

re: #117 McSpiff

Whaaat?! What's the lady's drink of choice then?

125 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:03pm

re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar

She is a bourbon girl, IIRC.

Alright, I can respect that.

126 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:03pm

re: #122 Reginald Perrin

Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.

Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.

Here, here.

127 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:06pm

re: #119 brookly red

can I have yours? I trade you some chocolate for it...

Go for it!

128 brookly red  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:07pm

re: #124 MandyManners

O+ ?

129 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:29pm

re: #122 Reginald Perrin

Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.

Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.

It's really been one of those days here. Can't say I've been on the side of peace and harmony, either...

130 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:45pm

re: #102 MandyManners

If anyone thinks s/he can influence me using dirty techniques, I invite that asshole to click on my avatar.

I'm an old Lizard.

You cannot intimidate me.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

oh, heck, mandy, I thought that was going to be your gas station experience.
(I still get the giggles)

131 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:48pm

re: #122 Reginald Perrin

Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.

Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.

Mr. Perrin, I've always liked you. Thank you much for saying this out loud.

132 Ojoe  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:57pm

My dad flew P-38s in the Pacific. He and his pilot buddies were very glad that VJ day came before they had to invade the home islands.

133 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:50:18pm

re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar

She is a bourbon girl, IIRC.

I am not a girl.

I am a woman.

I am a woman who has the means to enjoy good Bourbon.

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:05pm

re: #133 MandyManners

I am not a girl.

I am a woman.

I am a woman who has the means to enjoy good Bourbon.

I ain't afraid of you!!!
/ducks

135 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:07pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Speak up.

Juvenile sexual jokes came to mind.

By the way, the first half or so of the previous thread demonstrates that a calm, productive discussion on the Middle East is possible. Just sayin'.

136 swamprat  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:35pm

re: #122 Reginald Perrin

Hear, here!

137 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:45pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Here, here.

"Hear, hear" is the correct usage, although "here, here" seems to be more frequently used these days.

138 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:52pm

re: #135 Nimed

Juvenile sexual jokes came to mind.

By the way, the first half or so of the previous thread demonstrates that a calm, productive discussion on the Middle East is possible. Just sayin'.

Oh, sure, they start that way...

139 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:59pm

re: #132 Ojoe

I have always had a fascination for that plane. If I ever hit the lotto huge-Forget the Gulfstream I want one of those.

140 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:16pm

re: #122 Reginald Perrin

Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.

Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.

We have a parade in town, every year for Armed Forces Day. Lots of WW2 veterans in my town. I see purple heart liscence plates at least weekly.
I always thank them for their service.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:33pm

re: #137 Spare O'Lake

"Hear, hear" is the correct usage, although "here, here" seems to be more frequently used these days.

How about "Fucking A right!!"

142 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:40pm

re: #139 Rightwingconspirator

I have always had a fascination for that plane. If I ever hit the lotto huge-Forget the Gulfstream I want one of those.

I want an airship.

No, seriously.

143 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:42pm

re: #122 Reginald Perrin

Well said and timely too.

144 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:20pm

re: #137 Spare O'Lake

"Hear, hear" is the correct usage, although "here, here" seems to be more frequently used these days.

Just do like Swamprat did and use 'em both:

re: #136 swamprat

Hear, here!

145 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:44pm

re: #132 Ojoe

My dad flew P-38s in the Pacific. He and his pilot buddies were very glad that VJ day came before they had to invade the home islands.

The P-38 was an excellent fighter. It served through American involvement in WWII and in several different roles. Remarkable for a plane designed as a bomber destroyer.

146 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:58pm

re: #142 JasonA

Stick with helium.

147 Ojoe  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:36pm

re: #139 Rightwingconspirator

It took ALL your attention ALL the time to fly them my dad said.

When you landed you were soaked in sweat and utterly exhausted.

148 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:37pm

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

How about "Fucking A right!!"

Effin' A.

149 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:46pm

re: #140 Floral Giraffe

We have a parade in town, every year for Armed Forces Day. Lots of WW2 veterans in my town. I see purple heart liscence plates at least weekly.
I always thank them for their service.

That reminds me. Anyone else hear Glenn Beck putting down the Purple Heart?

Asshole.

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:52pm

My drink making-fu is right on tonight. Can I get ya'll something?

151 Ojoe  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:55:34pm

re: #142 JasonA

Airships are the only flying things that are actually part of the atmosphere.

152 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:56:25pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Swamprat covered all bases like a smarty.

153 MandyManners  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:56:36pm
154 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:57:06pm

re: #122 Reginald Perrin

There is a group of guys that fly WW2 trainers around the SF Valley every year for veterans holidays. I'll have the long lens on the 7d and hope to catch them. AT-6 aircraft. Quite a sight all these planes in tight formation.

155 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:57:15pm

re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar

My drink making-fu is right on tonight. Can I get ya'll something?

I want a manhattan.
Please.

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:58:44pm

re: #155 reine.de.tout

I want a manhattan.
Please.

Rocks with no mixer?

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:16pm

re: #137 Spare O'Lake

"Hear, hear" is the correct usage, although "here, here" seems to be more frequently used these days.

Thank you for the correction.

158 prairiefire  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:22pm

Happy Memorial Day, Lizards. So many thanks to all of our lizard veterans and to your families.
That video made me 50 kinds of proud.

159 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:31pm

I have always been awed by the magnificent service of the men and women of the US military.

160 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:39pm

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

Rocks with no mixer?

Stirred with ice. And a cherry.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:00:40pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

Stirred with ice. And a cherry.

Reine will be available for lap dances in a bit...
///

162 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:19pm

re: #136 swamprat

Hear, here!

That's not half bad.

163 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:29pm

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

Reine will be available for lap dances in a bit...
///

ROFL.
You don't know the half of it . . .
LOL.

164 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:46pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

There is a group of guys that fly WW2 trainers around the SF Valley every year for veterans holidays. I'll have the long lens on the 7d and hope to catch them. AT-6 aircraft. Quite a sight all these planes in tight formation.

All three of the biplanes from my local airport, were out cruising around today.
There's a red, yellow, and a blue one. You can hear the "different" motor sound & run out to see them. I think they're fun!

165 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:05pm

re: #153 MandyManners

[Video]

166 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:14pm

re: #147 Ojoe

I'll bet. That was all cables and pulleys to control that big fighter. Built near my home here, in Burbank. Famous for getting Yamamato as I recall. If you look at the 1939 prototype, without the big cooler inlets under the propellers-Really sleek.

167 swamprat  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:46pm

re: #133 MandyManners

I am not a girl.

I am a woman.

I am a woman who has the means to enjoy good Bourbon.

I am a woman, watch me pour
Libations you cannot afford!
And I'll drink no cheap booze just to pretend
That I like cheap beer or you;
I'll have Maker's Mark thank you!
I consume the very best right to the end!

Yes, I've had wine, but it seems so pretentious...
Yes, I had beer, but it isn't worth the fuss,
If I had to, I'd out-drink all of you!

Beer ain't wrong
Beer ain't tasty, though!
I drink better!

168 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:54pm

re: #163 reine.de.tout

ROFL.
You don't know the half of it . . .
LOL.

Spankin's?
///

169 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:03:01pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for the correction.

No problemo, amigo.
Go Black Hawks!

170 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:03:54pm

re: #168 Floral Giraffe

Spankin's?
///

*snort*
lawdy, do we really wanna start this up again?

171 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:05:06pm

Update:
Reine AND Floral will be available for lap dances soon.

172 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:05:54pm

re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar

Update:
Reine AND Floral will be available for lap dances soon.

In that case, I'll take a rye and ginger.

173 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:06:40pm

OK, I've got to go try to finish this book I've been trying to read. I only read in the evenings, and I fall asleep. Tonight I can get an earlier than usual start, and maybe get a couple of chapters read before I fall asleep. I hope.

Lap dances will have to wait 'til tomorrow. Sorry!
Y'all have a good evening!

174 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:07:04pm

Chino warbird airshow linky.
Plane pr0n.
[Link: home.comcast.net...]

175 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:07:43pm

re: #167 swamprat

Is that an original? It's very good!

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:07:44pm

re: #172 McSpiff

In that case, I'll take a rye and ginger.

I was in Canada and ordered a CC and coke. The bartender said "A rye and coke"? I said "No. A CC and coke". This went on for several minutes. Not kidding.

177 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:07:46pm

Hate to bring this up again but there's news coming in regarding the Gaza flotilla.

News reports that there are 2 dead and "dozens injured."

Reports coming in from AJ, Hamas run TV, and Turkish news...

Jpost reported as...

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

178 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:08:44pm

Also from the National Post...

[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

179 Donna Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:09:28pm

Hey Everybody, Happy Sunday to you all! I haven't been around much. Life has been keeping me busy and I'm not going to stay for long. I'm tired and its past my bed time but I just wanted to pop in for a moment to say I hope you all have a happy Memorial Day and salute all you Veterans out there and the men and women who are serving today I salute you and Thank You for your service to our Country. :-)

180 swamprat  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:10:16pm

re: #165 McSpiff

I see your Pink Floyd and I raise you Freda Payne.

181 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:10:20pm

re: #179 Dragon_Lady

Hey Everybody, Happy Sunday to you all! I haven't been around much. Life has been keeping me busy and I'm not going to stay for long. I'm tired and its past my bed time but I just wanted to pop in for a moment to say I hope you all have a happy Memorial Day and salute all you Veterans out there and the men and women who are serving today I salute you and Thank You for your service to our Country. :-)

Yay DL. You've been missed!!

182 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:11:12pm

re: #149 JasonA

That reminds me. Anyone else hear Glenn Beck putting down the Purple Heart?

Asshole.

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

I'd like to see Beck walk into a VFW hall and say that. I guarantee he'd leave feet first.

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:11:32pm

re: #179 Dragon_Lady

You cut RWC off from the good things until he let you use the computer, right? Fess up.
///

184 Donna Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:11:34pm

re: #181 Stanley Sea

Yay DL. You've been missed!!

Thanks! Thats very nice to know!

185 prairiefire  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:12:53pm

re: #184 Dragon_Lady

Hi, DL. Hope you have been well. Have you been laughing? ; )

186 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:13:22pm

re: #180 swamprat

Well played. And on that note, I gotta get some sleep. New, large project hopefully starting tomorrow! Be safe y'all.

187 Donna Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:13:33pm

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

You cut RWC off from the good things until he let you use the computer, right? Fess up.
///

LOL! How'd you guess? I want an ipad for my birthday in july so I can sit and blog too when he's hogging the computer. Don't think its going to happen but I can always hope. I've missed all of you guys too.

188 firstinla  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:39pm

And thanks for the great cactus flower pic the other day. Wonderful!re: #184 Dragon_Lady

189 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:48pm

Al jazeera reports israeli "attack" on supposed aid convoy:

[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]

190 Donna Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:15:32pm

re: #185 prairiefire

Hi, DL. Hope you have been well. Have you been laughing? ; )

Oh yeah, I can't seem to help it, RWC reads your posts out loud to me so I can keep in the loop and know what every ones up to. ;-)

191 swamprat  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:00pm

re: #167 swamprat

I post that also in fond remembrance of my dear Mother;

Who, when she was drinking, consumed a fifth of Canadian Club a day.

And died with her 40 year chip from AA.

192 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:31pm

re: #189 Guanxi88

Al jazeera reports israeli "attack" on supposed aid convoy:

[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]

Here's from the network itself:

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

193 prairiefire  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:49pm

Night, lizards. God bless America.

194 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:50pm

re: #189 Guanxi88

Al jazeera reports israeli "attack" on supposed aid convoy:

[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]

But tell us how you really feel ;-) Alright, I'm seriously showing myself to the door now…

195 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:52pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Hate to bring this up again but there's news coming in regarding the Gaza flotilla.

News reports that there are 2 dead and "dozens injured."

Reports coming in from AJ, Hamas run TV, and Turkish news...

Jpost reported as...

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Israel already sends aid to Gaza and quite a bit of it. They have closed off the sea access because they need to inspect what goes through, particularly weapons and the like.

[Link: newsblaze.com...]

Humanitarian Aid Transferred from Israel to Gaza in 2010, as of May 8, 2010:

# In 2010, 230,690 tons of humanitarian aid has been transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Israel-Gaza goods crossings
# More than 6.5 million gallons (25 million liters) of heavy duty diesel fuel for Gaza's power station has been transferred from Israel to Gaza
# More than 12,000 tons of cooking oil has been transferred into Gaza
# 6,354 Gazans have entered Israel on medical grounds
# 86 truckloads of flowers and strawberries have been exported from Gaza into Israel

So if they want to get aid to Gaza, they have a way of doing it without breaking through a military zone.

196 swamprat  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:17:12pm

re: #175 marjoriemoon

Right off the top of me own head.

197 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:17:44pm

re: #194 McSpiff

But tell us how you really feel ;-) Alright, I'm seriously showing myself to the door now…

G'night, o son of the well-turned out one.

198 Ojoe  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:05pm

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Red Bull restored Lefty Gardner's P-38 & it is one of the early ones with the sleeker lower inlets.
P-38 restoration - reecent

199 Donna Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:10pm

re: #188 firstinla

And thanks for the great cactus flower pic the other day. Wonderful!

Your more than welcome! I have other pics I plan to put up in the future, I'm obsessed with flowers as my 14 miniature rose bushes can attest to. Keep in mind I live in an apartment here! You folks will probably get sick of all the pics I'm going to be posting in the future.

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:11pm

re: #191 swamprat

I post that also in fond remembrance of my dear Mother;

Who, when she was drinking, consumed a fifth of Canadian Club a day.

And died with her 40 year chip from AA.

Sorry.

201 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:15pm

re: #196 swamprat

Right off the top of me own head.

I'm mucho impressed.

202 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:30pm

re: #195 marjoriemoon

Israel already sends aid to Gaza and quite a bit of it. They have closed off the sea access because they need to inspect what goes through, particularly weapons and the like.

[Link: newsblaze.com...]

Humanitarian Aid Transferred from Israel to Gaza in 2010, as of May 8, 2010:

# In 2010, 230,690 tons of humanitarian aid has been transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Israel-Gaza goods crossings
# More than 6.5 million gallons (25 million liters) of heavy duty diesel fuel for Gaza's power station has been transferred from Israel to Gaza
# More than 12,000 tons of cooking oil has been transferred into Gaza
# 6,354 Gazans have entered Israel on medical grounds
# 86 truckloads of flowers and strawberries have been exported from Gaza into Israel

So if they want to get aid to Gaza, they have a way of doing it without breaking through a military zone.

Thanks!

I know. Went over that in the previous thread before I took a nap.

They also get direct aid from the state of Israel.

203 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:19:18pm

More news here from Turkish television...

[Link: www.livetvcenter.com...]

204 Donna Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:19:45pm

re: #198 Ojoe

Red Bull restored Lefty Gardner's P-38 & it is one of the early ones with the sleeker lower inlets.
P-38 restoration - reecent

Hey Ojoe, RWC logged out for a few so I could say hi to everyone. He'll check it out in a little while okay?

205 McSpiff  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:20:02pm

Nice silent ding on that last one Spare. And an especially good night to you!

206 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:20:04pm

re: #189 Guanxi88

Al jazeera reports israeli "attack" on supposed aid convoy:

[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]

Already the lies begin. Keep a clear eye here, folks. The Arabs will try to bury the truth under an avalanche of lies.

207 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:20:33pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Already the lies begin. Keep a clear eye here, folks. The Arabs will try to bury the truth under an avalanche of lies.

You bet. I'm already thinking that.

208 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:20:58pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Thanks!

I know. Went over that in the previous thread before I took a nap.

They also get direct aid from the state of Israel.

This is going to be another screeching cry from the masses about hostile Israel. They were told to turn back, why didn't they? Will they print the amount of aid Israel gives Gaza or the reasons for the blockade?

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:21:40pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

re: #207 Gus 802

But it says Freedom!!! And Fleet!!
///

210 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:05pm

re: #205 McSpiff

Nice silent ding on that last one Spare. And an especially good night to you!

Good night, newfie.

211 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:38pm

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

Good night, newfie.

I know what that means.

212 swamprat  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:54pm

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry.

It was a really good and full life.

213 Donna Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:46pm

Well folks my battery's runnin low and I need to go recharge. Another busy day tomorrow planned and I need my beauty sleep so I'm going to say good night! I'll pop back in in a day or so. Until then my friends Keep Laughing and Be Well! :-)

214 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:24:57pm

I was just thinking to myself the other day that these SOB's would try to provoke a boarding of their ship or ships by Israeli forces. There seemed a certain inevitability to the thing.

215 Ojoe  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:15pm

re: #204 Dragon_Lady

Sure, totally fine!

BBL myself.

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:19pm

I hate these fucking Troofers!! WTF! (on NatGeo)

217 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:20pm

re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know what that means.

Is McSpiff rally from Newfoundland?

218 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:32pm

re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know what that means.

We love our newfies.

219 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:26:48pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Is McSpiff rally from Newfoundland?

No idea.

re: #218 Spare O'Lake

We love our newfies.

Liar. Heh.
/

220 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:07pm

re: #214 Guanxi88

I was just thinking to myself the other day that these SOB's would try to provoke a boarding of their ship or ships by Israeli forces. There seemed a certain inevitability to the thing.

Not me, this took me by surprise. I figured they would work out a compromise with the Israelis to land at an Israeli port.

221 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:09pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Is McSpiff rally from Newfoundland?

It's a myth, and demonstrably so - no one's from there, to the best of my knowledge; it's like Luxembourg in that regard; when you add in the fact that both places aren't in America at all, you see immediately that they're part of one vast, uninhabited waste.

222 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:29pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Is McSpiff really from Newfoundland?

PIMF

223 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:34pm

re: #214 Guanxi88

I was just thinking to myself the other day that these SOB's would try to provoke a boarding of their ship or ships by Israeli forces. There seemed a certain inevitability to the thing.

Yes, indeed.

A little more from my link to put it in proper perspective:

Although Israel controls Gaza's borders, Hamas still succeeds in smuggling into the territory dozens of tons of standard explosives and other rocket building materials, scores of Grad rockets with ranges of 25 miles (40km), hundreds of mortar shells, dozens of anti-tank weapons and a stockpile of anti-aircraft missiles.

Israel is currently restricting the import of cement and other construction materials into Gaza because Hamas has used such supplies to construct military bunkers. During the Israel-Hamas ceasefire, June to December 2008, the head of the Israeli Security Agency (Shabak) Yuval Diskin told the Israeli cabinet that Hamas was using cement transferred into Gaza to construct military bunkers. During Operation Cast Lead, Israel's defensive operation aimed at halting rocket fire from Gaza, Israeli forces discovered numerous bunkers used as weapons depots and fighting positions.

224 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:27pm

re: #220 Spare O'Lake

Not me, this took me by surprise. I figured they would work out a compromise with the Israelis to land at an Israeli port.

Coming on top of the report of the israeli dolphin diesels off the iranian coast, and in conjunction with the quixotic (apologies to LVQ) proposal to ensure a nuke-free mideast by damning israel, it seemed events were aligned for just this sort of thing. Maximum damage to Israel's image.

225 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:33pm

re: #220 Spare O'Lake

Not me, this took me by surprise. I figured they would work out a compromise with the Israelis to land at an Israeli port.

They would, if the supplies were the issue instead of their Jew-Hate.

226 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:29:43pm

re: #198 Ojoe

Wow. What a restoration. Gary Levitz used to race one in the unlimited class. As a kid I went to all of the Mojave Air Races in our nearby desert. Great stuff.

227 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:29:53pm

re: #223 marjoriemoon

Speaking of cement, anyone recall that shipment of NORK "cement" that got blowed up real good in Syria not that long ago?

228 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:31:06pm

That film is amazing. Was it shot in color or has it been colorized? The colors looks really natural.

229 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:32:57pm

re: #228 Alouette

That film is amazing. Was it shot in color or has it been colorized? The colors looks really natural.

mama don't take my kodachrome away.

230 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:33:14pm

re: #188 firstinla

And thanks for the great cactus flower pic the other day. Wonderful!

I promise to walk D_L through the Pages posting, so she can add her photography from time to time.

231 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:34:35pm

re: #227 Guanxi88

Speaking of cement, anyone recall that shipment of NORK "cement" that got blowed up real good in Syria not that long ago?

Ack. I think I missed that one!

232 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:34:45pm

Well. That was fast:
Turkish protesters try to storm Israeli consulate

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkish police blocked dozens of stone-throwing protesters who tried to storm the Israeli Consulate in Istanbul over reports of an Israeli attack on at least one aid ship in international waters on Monday, news channels reported.
233 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:36:06pm

Well, here we go with the media mess...

2 killed.
10 killed.
Commandos descend.
Ship attacks.
3 killed.
Same video being looped on Turkish TV.

Then comes the psychological wording from RT...

Two are reported killed as Israel disrupts Gaza humanitarian effort

234 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:36:21pm

re: #228 Alouette

I think (not sure) that would be kodachrome. The same process that sadly was dropped by Kodak recently. Chrome they tell me is a harsh process to develop the film. But the film lasts like nothing else. Truly archival.

235 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:36:57pm

re: #231 marjoriemoon

Ack. I think I missed that one!

it was back in '07, as I recall.

Here's a bit from Haaretz:

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Ronen Solomon, who searches information in the public domain for companies, told Haaretz he found references to a ship called Al Hamad on three different Web sites after the initial reports of the Israeli raid in Syria on September 6. These included the official sites of Syria's Tartous Port and the Egyptian Transportation Ministry.

Two of the three sites said the ship was flying a North Korean flag, and the third site reported it was flying a South Korean flag.

Haaretz confirmed Solomon's report.

Saturday, the Washington Post published an article citing an American Mideast expert, who said a shipment that arrived in Syria three days before the alleged Israel Air Forces strike was labeled as cement, but that Israel believed it carried nuclear equipment.

Following the Washington Post report, Solomon returned to the three sites, and discovered that all mentions of the North Korean flag on Al Hamad had been deleted, and that the ship's flag was now registered as 'unknown.'

The official site of Syria's Tartous Port, [Link: www.tartousport.com,...] had reported that Al Hamad, flying a North Korean flag and carrying cement, entered the port on September 3. Solomon stressed that several North Korean ships docked at Tartous during August.

236 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:37:02pm

Joos are baad, m'kay?

237 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:37:48pm

...and that paranoia...

Just saw this...

Twitter has blocked both #gaza and #flotilla from becoming trending topics.

238 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:38:11pm

re: #224 Guanxi88

Coming on top of the report of the israeli dolphin diesels off the iranian coast, and in conjunction with the quixotic (apologies to LVQ) proposal to ensure a nuke-free mideast by damning israel, it seemed events were aligned for just this sort of thing. Maximum damage to Israel's image.

I hope and pray that there were no Israeli casualties.
Erdogan the ugly Islamist anti-Semitic Turk seems to have been pulling the strings on this one.

239 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:39:20pm

I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?

No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.

240 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:39:32pm

re: #237 Gus 802

...and that paranoia...

Just saw this...

Have they done that before?

241 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:39:51pm

Something I just scanned a few minutes ago (have not yet run OCR)

August 1852:

Palestine.—Various accounts we have seen, especially in the Sabbath Recorder, which reports the proceedings of a small colony of Seven-day Baptists, lately established at Artos, near Bethlehem Judah, state, that notwithstanding the deplorable state of lawlessness, which characterizes the administration of public affairs in the distant Turkish provinces, and in spite of the sufferings, to which all but Mussulmans are subjected, the country begins to improve, and especially Jaffa and Beiruth are arising as it were out of their ruins. If ever there were security for life and property, against the violence of Turks and Arabs, we should soon hear that poverty now so grievous, had given place to industry and affluence. The Jewish Gazette reports in a letter from Jerusalem, dated in March, that last autumn a Portuguese Jew, who was well acquainted with the language and customs of the Arabs, was for some years engaged in making a support for his family, by selling dry goods. Lately his lifeless body was found in a cistern; the supposed murderer has been arrested; and the reason assigned for this deed of horror is; that the murderer was indebted to the deceased, and he slew him because he demanded his money. It is argued hence, that if life is so little secure in Jerusalem, how can it be safe in the country. Still it is to be hoped that, with the increase of the commercial importance of Palestine, by the passage, through the southern part of it of large convoys of merchandise coming from India, as no doubt it will be before long when the Egyptian rail road is finished, there will also be greater security, and hence greater prosperity likewise. One thing is certain, that Palestine is capable of the highest improvement, if the people and means were only at hand, to undertake an active culture of the soil
242 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:40:00pm

If anyone did get shot and died I'll wait for an official autopsy report.

These folks are the type that would shoot their own people for the propaganda.

243 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:41:40pm

Here's the BBC's story on the Gaza Flotilla. Sorry to use the Beeb, but CNN and Fox likely won't pick up the story till morning:

Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

The Israeli navy has stormed at least one of a convoy of ships carrying humanitarian aid to the Gaza strip, amid reports of casualties on board.

Organisers of the aid flotilla say 30 people were hurt in the confrontation. Israel has made no comment.

The interception reportedly took place in international waters, more than 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.

The ships are carrying 10,000 tonnes of aid to the Gaza Strip in an effort to break an Israeli blockade.

Turkish TV pictures taken on board the ship show Israeli soldiers fighting to control passengers.

Some reports suggest two people were killed in the clashes.

The footage showed a number of people, apparently injured, lying on the ground. The sound of gunshots could be heard. It is not clear whether the fighting is ongoing.

"Provocation'

The six-ship flotilla left international waters off the coast of Cyprus on Sunday and was expected to arrive in Gaza later on Monday.

Israel has said it would stop the boats, calling the campaign a "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".

An economic blockade was imposed by Israel after the Islamist movement Hamas took power in Gaza.

Israel says it allows about 15,000 tones of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week.

But the United Nations says this is less than a quarter of what is needed.

Hamas, a militant palestinian group that controls the Gaza strip, has fired thousands of rockets into Israel over the past decade.

244 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:41:45pm

re: #239 Stanley Sea

I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?

No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.

Why did they refuse to take packages and letters for Gilad Shalit?

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:42:01pm

re: #242 Gus 802

If anyone did get shot and died I'll wait for an official autopsy report.

These folks are the type that would shoot their own people for the propaganda.

bingo.

246 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:09pm

re: #238 Spare O'Lake

I hope and pray that there were no Israeli casualties.
Erdogan the ugly Islamist anti-Semitic Turk seems to have been pulling the strings on this one.

Aided and abetted by the usual suspects, of course.

247 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:10pm

re: #240 JasonA

Have they done that before?

Twitter? Never heard of such a thing. It's just not trending.

248 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:23pm

re: #244 Alouette

Why did they refuse to take packages and letters for Gilad Shalit?

I don't know.

249 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:32pm

re: #239 Stanley Sea

I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?

No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.

Such "impressions" count for shit.

250 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:46pm

Artificial Heart Breakthrough

Nice. Real nice.

I can only imagine the wonderful things we humans will invent in the next 50 years.

251 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:44:15pm

re: #249 Spare O'Lake

Such "impressions" count for shit.

Do you drink? You need to. Get off my ass.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:44:42pm

re: #250 Racer X

Please send that to Steve C.

253 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:44:48pm

re: #247 Gus 802

Twitter? Never heard of such a thing. It's just not trending.

Oh. I thought you were actually reporting something reputable instead of conspiracy theories. My mistake. :)

254 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:44:56pm

re: #239 Stanley Sea

I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?

No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.

Sorry I was gonna respond to you there to tell you to come here! lol

I find this interesting...

Gilad Schalit's family and supporters asked the "activists" if they would visit their son, held in Gaza 4 years now, and bring aid to him as well. They promised to support their efforts to dock if they did. They promptly refused.

"We are disappointed that the organizers of the flotilla have refused to also provide basic humanitarian assistance to our son, who has been held in Gaza four years in contradiction of international law," said the Schalit family.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

This was no little boat. They are carrying around 750 activists, including diplomats and journalists, as well as about 10,000 tons of supplies. Israel has to check all of that, including those people for its own safety.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

255 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:45:28pm

re: #253 JasonA

Oh. I thought you were actually reporting something reputable instead of conspiracy theories. My mistake. :)

Yeah. That's why I called it paranoia.

256 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:45:42pm

Haaretz: 10 killed
Jerusalem Post: 2 killed
YNet: 2 killed

257 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:47:11pm

re: #256 Alouette

Haaretz: 10 killed
Jerusalem Post: 2 killed
YNet: 2 killed

Hmmm, this could get ugly.

258 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:47:39pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, this could get ugly.

- Cheered Hamas.

259 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:48:19pm

re: #237 Gus 802

...and that paranoia...

Just saw this...

Fine by me. Personally, I just use twitter to get financial advice from sigma_x.

260 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:48:30pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, this could get ugly.

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to hitting my usual news sites when I wake up tomorrow.

261 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:49:07pm

re: #258 Racer X

- Cheered Hamas.

However man got killed Hamas will be unhappy that more didn't killed or injured. That was part of their intent anyway.

262 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:49:14pm

re: #259 Nimed

Fine by me. Personally, I just use twitter to get financial advice from sigma_x.

I almost spilled my frozen Skyy

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:49:34pm

re: #259 Nimed

Fine by me. Personally, I just use twitter to get financial advice from sigma_x.

Well played.

264 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:50:47pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, this could get ugly.

There is indeed an international campaign underway to delegitimize Israel. The US administration's response to this necessary security operation will be interesting.

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:51:15pm

NatGeo is running the special on Saddam in 9 minutes.

266 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:51:23pm

Good evening/morning folks! I can finally relax after a very busy weekend.

267 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:02pm

re: #244 Alouette

Why did they refuse to take packages and letters for Gilad Shalit?

Because to them he's just a Zionist oppressor getting what he deserves.

/no sarc

268 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:10pm

re: #264 Spare O'Lake

Telling. Very telling.

269 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:21pm

re: #266 Mad Al-Jaffee

Good evening/morning folks! I can finally relax after a very busy weekend.

Oh I'm not sure this is the place for rest and relaxation tonight.

270 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:45pm

re: #264 Spare O'Lake

There is indeed an international campaign underway to delegitimize Israel. The US administration's response to this necessary security operation will be interesting.

let's ask Samantha Power.

271 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:53:12pm

re: #264 Spare O'Lake

There is indeed an international campaign underway to delegitimize Israel. The US administration's response to this necessary security operation will be interesting.

Obama will whine about the dead "civilians". He'll focus on the casualties and ignore that bigger picture.

272 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:53:40pm

re: #269 JasonA

Oh I'm not sure this is the place for rest and relaxation tonight.

Uh oh, what did I miss? I'm not scrolling back. Just checking in before some well deserved rest. But I will open up another bottle of cider and hang around a bit more.

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:53:46pm

re: #269 JasonA

Oh I'm not sure this is the place for rest and relaxation tonight.

You need a bigger joint.
//
(I don't smoke, but I know when I'm being ripped)

274 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:54:39pm

re: #256 Alouette

Haaretz: 10 killed
Jerusalem Post: 2 killed
YNet: 2 killed

Different sources. The 2 dead number is coming from Al-Jazeera, 10 dead from a Turkish news channel (NTV).

275 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:54:48pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Obama will whine about the dead "civilians". He'll focus on the casualties and ignore that bigger picture.

"Both sides must work together to..." etc., etc.

False moral equivalence if we're lucky.

276 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:54:49pm

re: #272 Mad Al-Jaffee

You missed lots of Israel discussion, among other little things. Even this thread got a little dark for a while there.

277 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:23pm

re: #274 Nimed

Different sources. The 2 dead number is coming from Al-Jazeera, 10 dead from a Turkish news channel (NTV).

The "Free Gaza" goofs are claiming two dead, as of about 20 minutes ago. nice group of folk they got on that cruise.

278 freetoken  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:26pm

re: #249 Spare O'Lake

Such "impressions" count for shit.

Quite the contrary. All through my life personally, and all that I've learned about the world, tells me that "impressions" are quite important. Indeed, the advertising industry is built upon it, as well as the world of celebrity and media.

279 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:59pm

Question:

If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?

280 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:59pm

re: #274 Nimed

Different sources. The 2 dead number is coming from Al-Jazeera, 10 dead from a Turkish news channel (NTV).

Usually Haaretz reports the straight news (although their op-eds suck) and YNet is kind of a tabloid. But it looks like Haaretz is freaking hysterical and YNet and JPost are trying to stay rational.

281 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:56:13pm

re: #278 freetoken

Quite the contrary. All through my life personally, and all that I've learned about the world, tells me that "impressions" are quite important. Indeed, the advertising industry is built upon it, as well as the world of celebrity and media.

Madge the Manicurist says: "you're soaking in it now."

282 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:56:38pm

re: #276 JasonA

You missed lots of Israel discussion, among other little things. Even this thread got a little dark for a while there.

Oh well. I hope none of my friends have flounced. Please tell me that none of my friends have flounced!

283 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:01pm

re: #282 Mad Al-Jaffee

Oh well. I hope none of my friends have flounced. Please tell me that none of my friends have flounced!

You have friends?
//

284 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:06pm

re: #279 Racer X

Question:

If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?

Answer:

Yes. If they went through the proper channels. The fact that they didn't is suspect on many levels.

285 Stanghazi  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:06pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Obama will whine about the dead "civilians". He'll focus on the casualties and ignore that bigger picture.

Jesus Christo, don't go into the future minds of people PLEASE.

286 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:12pm

re: #279 Racer X

Question:

If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?

They are a bunch of attention queens who wanted a photo op. Also Israel offered them passage, but conditioned it on taking some of that "humanitarian relief" to Gilad Shalit.

287 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:16pm

re: #282 Mad Al-Jaffee

Oh well. I hope none of my friends have flounced. Please tell me that none of my friends have flounced!

No, no flounces. Not even anyone you don't like. :P

288 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:27pm

re: #283 Guanxi88

You have friends?
//

Well played.

289 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:58pm

re: #284 marjoriemoon

Answer:

Yes. If they went through the proper channels. The fact that they didn't is suspect on many levels.

Exactly what I thought. This is a propaganda move pure and simple.

290 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:21pm

Is it even a good idea for our president to make any comment on this situation?

291 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:41pm

re: #280 Alouette

Usually Haaretz reports the straight news (although their op-eds suck) and YNet is kind of a tabloid. But it looks like Haaretz is freaking hysterical and YNet and JPost are trying to stay rational.

Haaretz is more left which is more pro-Palestinian. Jpost is more Right, least has always been my thought on the two.

YNet is a tabloid? I never saw it that way. I guess their writing is more flamboyant, but still an excellent source.

292 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:47pm

re: #283 Guanxi88

You have friends?
//

Yeah, and I pay them well to keep them. That is, if you mean keeping them chained to a radiator in my basement as paying them, then I do.

293 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:49pm

Gaza activists: Between 4 and 14 dead on flotilla
By JPOST.COM STAFF
05/31/2010 07:57

Between 4 and 14 of the activists aboard the Gaza flotilla ships have been killed according to the action's organizers, reported Army Radio .

A number of Israeli soldiers that boarded the ships were injured according to the report.

There was an organized and planned action of attack against the soldiers by some of the activists, who were armed with knives, lead pipes and gas masks, according to the report.

Several Israeli hospitals are on high alert to absorb injured soldiers and activists that will be evacuated from the ships by helicopter.

294 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:49pm

re: #278 freetoken

Quite the contrary. All through my life personally, and all that I've learned about the world, tells me that "impressions" are quite important. Indeed, the advertising industry is built upon it, as well as the world of celebrity and media.

As I expect you are well aware, I was referring not to the undisputed value of propoganda, but rather to the blogger's attempt to peddle an "impression" as fact.

295 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:53pm

re: #292 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, and I pay them well to keep them. That is, if you mean keeping them chained to a radiator in my basement as paying them, then I do.

Reminds me of Burroughs on Salvador Hassan O'Leary:

"Salvador Hassan O'Leary - Sal to his friends. he always kept a few friends around, paid by the hour."

296 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:56pm

re: #287 JasonA

No, no flounces. Not even anyone you don't like. :P

That's good. But I still miss some who have left.

297 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:00:30pm

re: #286 Alouette

They are a bunch of attention queens who wanted a photo op. Also Israel offered them passage, but conditioned it on taking some of that "humanitarian relief" to Gilad Shalit.

It wasn't Israel that offered passage. Schalit's family said they would support them docking if they promised to send him aid, which they flat out refused. No help for the Jew.

298 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:01:17pm

re: #290 JasonA

Is it even a good idea for our president to make any comment on this situation?

Ohhh yes. And he's trying to build up better relations, so he'd better mention all the aid that Gaza gets. Or Hilary or someone.

299 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:01:19pm

re: #290 JasonA

Is it even a good idea for our president to make any comment on this situation?

Yes, he should denounce the Islamist provocation. He should remind the world press that the words of Islamists are not to be trusted. That's what he should say.

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:02:04pm

If I every meet the little bitch behind "Loose Change" I will hold him down and shave the little "Soul Patch" off his face. Then I will....

G'night all.

301 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:02:20pm

Free Gaza group now claims 10 killed ("murdered," in their language, with ships under tow to haifa.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:03:36pm

re: #220 Spare O'Lake

Not me, this took me by surprise. I figured they would work out a compromise with the Israelis to land at an Israeli port.

Never have before. They ended up Lebanon last time, or the time before that. Assumed they'd turn back to Cyprus.

Anyone got any update on the reported deaths that does not go back to 'Turkish NTV reports'?

303 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:41pm

re: #293 Gus 802

Gaza activists: Between 4 and 14 dead on flotilla
By JPOST.COM STAFF
05/31/2010 07:57

Sounds like an outright lie. That does not sound like the things Israel would use for a boarding action. The USN certainly would not be so crude.

304 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:52pm

When you launch that many rockets at Israel, and constantly claim you are at war (and hold prisoners), why the hell do you think Israel will let you waltz right in to a war zone with tons of "supplies"?

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:54pm

re: #237 Gus 802

...and that paranoia...

Just saw this...

Oh, yeah, they've been going on about that all evening. Everyone they know personally is twitting about it, so they can't believe it's not a major topic overall.

Nu, not my biggest concern right now.

306 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:59pm

When I was last logged on this morning I mentioned that I was going out for a nice Maryland eastern shore ride with my bike club. It was a good one, and I did 35 miles, the most I've done this year. I'm gonna be sore tomorrow but it was fun.

307 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:02pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

Never have before. They ended up Lebanon last time, or the time before that. Assumed they'd turn back to Cyprus.

Anyone got any update on the reported deaths that does not go back to 'Turkish NTV reports'?

Cyprus, btw, told Israel they will not accept them. It's in one of the links I posted.

308 Varek Raith  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:14pm

Good morning.
What did I miss in the past couple of hours?

309 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:22pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

Free Gaza claims their attorney in Haifa - hell of a resistance org, with legal representation in supposedly occupied territory - informs them that 10 are dead. That's it so far; whole things sounds like one news agency feeding off the reports of activists listening to the same news agencies as the rest of us.

310 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:46pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

Never have before. They ended up Lebanon last time, or the time before that. Assumed they'd turn back to Cyprus.

Anyone got any update on the reported deaths that does not go back to 'Turkish NTV reports'?

No, The Israelis haven't said anything yet.

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:58pm

re: #239 Stanley Sea

I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?

No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.

They are welcome guests of Hamas, since they provide free PR for them. They're not 'supported' by them, AFAIK, in the sense of getting any financial support, the relationship goes the other way.

312 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:17pm

re: #306 Mad Al-Jaffee

When I was last logged on this morning I mentioned that I was going out for a nice Maryland eastern shore ride with my bike club. It was a good one, and I did 35 miles, the most I've done this year. I'm gonna be sore tomorrow but it was fun.

Ahh, if I had a nickel for every time a woman told me that....

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:34pm

re: #242 Gus 802

If anyone did get shot and died I'll wait for an official autopsy report.

These folks are the type that would shoot their own people for the propaganda.

I was watching live footage from a Turkish site after the reports of deaths started coming in, and did not see anything that seemed to indicate there had been injuries. Did see choppers and small military boats. So far I haven't seen any footage at all of the dead or injured, and there's a hell of a lot of streaming happening.

Waiting to see. I know what I want to have happened, but we'll wait and see.

314 Varek Raith  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:47pm

re: #312 Guanxi88

...you'd still have $0.00.

315 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:08:04pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like an outright lie. That does not sound like the things Israel would use for a boarding action. The USN certainly would not be so crude.

Are you referring to this?

There was an organized and planned action of attack against the soldiers by some of the activists, who were armed with knives, lead pipes and gas masks, according to the report.

That's what they're saying the activists, not the soldiers, were armed with in that article.

316 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:08:15pm

re: #312 Guanxi88

You would have two and a half cents.

317 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:08:44pm

re: #279 Racer X

Question:

If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?


Does the name of the operation, namely: "Free Gaza", provide a clue?

318 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:09:13pm

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

I was watching live footage from a Turkish site after the reports of deaths started coming in, and did not see anything that seemed to indicate there had been injuries. Did see choppers and small military boats. So far I haven't seen any footage at all of the dead or injured, and there's a hell of a lot of streaming happening.

Waiting to see. I know what I want to have happened, but we'll wait and see.

Same here. The video was being looped. Didn't see any injuries except for some people being dragged down stairs and one blown out window. Then it was the same 3 "commandos" on what looked like the bow or the stern.

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:09:16pm

Clipped to me from Israel National News:

"The IDF searched the boats for arms immediately after the takeover. The soldiers were forced to use tear gas after they were attacked with knives and cudgels, putting their lives in danger. Unofficial reports that ten persons have been killed and another ten wounded were admitted to Rambam Hospital in Haifa were changed by the Arab television station Al Jazeera to two killed and four wounded. The IDF has not corroborated any numbers."

320 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:09:52pm

re: #308 Varek Raith

Good morning.
What did I miss in the past couple of hours?

Islamists are in full smear mode. Apparently, the Israelis stopped the Gaza bound ships.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:10:23pm

re: #259 Nimed

Fine by me. Personally, I just use twitter to get financial advice from sigma_x.

Eerily prescient advice?

322 Varek Raith  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:10:32pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Islamists are in full smear mode. Apparently, the Israelis stopped the Gaza bound ships.

Figures. PR Fleet Fail.

323 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:10:38pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

...you'd still have $0.00.

re: #316 Mad Al-Jaffee

You would have two and a half cents.

And people wonder why I drink thunderbird!

324 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:11:43pm

re: #275 Guanxi88

"Both sides must work together to..." etc., etc.

False moral equivalence if we're lucky.

Can we let the man actually say something before we start to condemn it?

325 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:11:55pm

re: #315 JasonA

That's what they're saying the activists, not the soldiers, were armed with in that article.

Thanks for clearing that up. In that case, I saw good on Israel for blasting those scum.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:04pm

re: #279 Racer X

Question:

If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?

Israel offered to take the stuff through for them.

327 Varek Raith  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:05pm

re: #323 Guanxi88

And people wonder why I drink thunderbird!

Arrrg, the laws of the internet be a harsh mistress!

328 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:30pm

re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we let the man actually say something before we start to condemn it?

Why wait? This is much more fun.

329 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:44pm

Racer X:

More on humanitarian aid to Gaza through proper channels:
[Link: www.mfa.gov.il...]

At the Cabinet meeting of 22 March 2009, the Government of Israel instructed the bodies dealing with the matter to enable the entry - without restriction - of foodstuffs to the residents of Gaza from all relevant sources, after it has been verified that they are indeed foodstuffs, and this in the framework of the humanitarian efforts. The Government directed that the foregoing be scrupulously implemented.

Essential food products including meat, chicken and fish, grains and legumes, fresh vegetables, dairy products, oil, flour, salt and sugar, in addition to animal feed, hygiene products, clothing and medical supplies are among the goods that are regularly delivered to Gaza.

Note: Gas for domestic use (cooking and heating) is supplied according to Palestinian demand and is not subject to any limitation by Israel. After the fuel depot at Nahal Oz was repeatedly attacked by Palestinian terrorists from the Gaza Strip, it was forced to limit its operations. The Kerem Shalom crossing has since been adapted to the transfer of fuel. In addition, a new gas line with double the capacity to transfer gas was built.

So please tell me about the big ole bad Israelis.

It goes on to list how much aid Gaza has received monthly since 2009. I think I'm sending this to the Whitehouse.

330 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:58pm

If anyone can read Hebrew you might be able to find the IDF radio station here...

[Link: glz.co.il...]

331 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:17pm

From SixPackTech:

Saturday Night Blue Collar Brew Review -
Erdinger Hefe-Weizen

The first sip was mild but flavorful. It was not too sweet nor wheaty but just enough to let you know you’ve got a weissbier in your hand. Light on the wheat, the liquid was light on the palate and that made it very easy to swallow. The remaining tastes reminded me that this would be a perfect summer quencher.

I was drilling down towards the bottom of the glass, all the time thinking about how this Erdinger would taste alongside a Hacker-Pschorr, my favorite so far. This beer would surely give it a run for its money. I’d venture to say that Erdinger was as tasty as it needed to be versus Hacker-Pschorr’s punch-in-tonsils flavor. The more I sipped the more I leaned towards this one. Mild, tasty, smooth, delicious. The head, however, may cause some impatient drinkers some heartache at the beginning. For the second bottleful, I opted for a bigger (22-oz. impatience) glass.

There were no malts, as such, to taste, no hops at the swallow. The wheat taste was just enough to give a sense of the flavor. It was just a nice laid-back easy drinker, perfect for any palate. I’d suspect that the ladies would like this one as well. The wheatiness of this beer, albeit present in full regalia, is somehow muted and blended into an almost perfect taste. This was a lemonade of beers without the lemon or any fruit whatsoever. Delicious. But not quite wheaty as one would like it.

This beer is a great wheat beer with nothing extra or special thrown in. Nicely sweet, a bit tangy and a lot of flavor. It’s a real treat for the taste buds. At 5.3% ABV, one could easily knock back the majority of the sixpack on a hot summer day.


Thanks Frank!

332 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:42pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Israel offered to take the stuff through for them.

Shocka!

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:43pm

re: #291 marjoriemoon

Haaretz is more left which is more pro-Palestinian. Jpost is more Right, least has always been my thought on the two.

YNet is a tabloid? I never saw it that way. I guess their writing is more flamboyant, but still an excellent source.

YNet is sort of popularized and a little goofy, but they get their reports from good sources.

Haaretz tends to the left, JPost to the right.

334 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:14:10pm

re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist

Clipped to me from Israel National News:

"The IDF searched the boats for arms immediately after the takeover. The soldiers were forced to use tear gas after they were attacked with knives and cudgels, putting their lives in danger. Unofficial reports that ten persons have been killed and another ten wounded were admitted to Rambam Hospital in Haifa were changed by the Arab television station Al Jazeera to two killed and four wounded. The IDF has not corroborated any numbers."

Well thank God Israel was there with hospitals for them!

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:02pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like an outright lie. That does not sound like the things Israel would use for a boarding action. The USN certainly would not be so crude.

No, I think the activists were carrying the knives and pipes.

336 Varek Raith  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:35pm

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

No, I think the activists were carrying the knives and pipes.

Idiots.

337 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:35pm

Here's another report...

In Hebrew: [Link: glz.co.il...]

Translation: [Link: translate.google.com...]

338 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:36pm

re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we let the man actually say something before we start to condemn it?

Fair comment.
The speculation, however, is based on past conduct.

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:50pm

re: #309 Guanxi88

Free Gaza claims their attorney in Haifa - hell of a resistance org, with legal representation in supposedly occupied territory - informs them that 10 are dead. That's it so far; whole things sounds like one news agency feeding off the reports of activists listening to the same news agencies as the rest of us.

Yeah, I suspect that the attorney in Haifa is reading the same newsfeed we are.

340 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:52pm

Casualties could include IDF soldiers.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:16:52pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

No, The Israelis haven't said anything yet.

My local activist org is trying to get through to a member in Ramat Gan to see if he has any info.

(Gotta love the global information village.)

342 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:16:57pm

re: #340 Gus 802

Casualties could include IDF soldiers.

- Cheered Hamas.

343 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:17:47pm

On a related note, one of the vessels in the convoy was the MV Rachel Corrie, which was itself a salvaged wreck of a freighter found off the irish coast in an earlier, more honorable incarnation.

344 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:17:50pm

Last night a very cute 23 year old girl asked us to play a song for her birthday. It wasn't Happy Birthday, it was A Real Mother For Ya, by Johnny Guitar Watson. A song we do! I was amazed that a 23 year old would even know about Johnny Guitar Watson. There's hope for some of these kids.

345 Renaissance_Man  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:19:09pm

re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we let the man actually say something before we start to condemn it?

Why pretend that what he says might be acceptable?

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:19:23pm

re: #338 Spare O'Lake

Fair comment.
The speculation, however, is based on past conduct.

Sure thing.

347 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:19:54pm

re: #343 Guanxi88

On a related note, one of the vessels in the convoy was the MV Rachel Corrie, which was itself a salvaged wreck of a freighter found off the irish coast in an earlier, more honorable incarnation.

For real??

348 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:20:04pm

re: #342 Racer X

- Cheered Hamas.

And assorted bloodthirsty civilians in Gaza and the West Bank.

349 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:21:49pm

First warning from IDF.

[Link: 213.8.193.29...]

They were invited to enter another port.

350 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:22:06pm

re: #343 Guanxi88

On a related note, one of the vessels in the convoy was the MV Rachel Corrie Saint Pancake, which was itself a salvaged wreck of a freighter found off the irish coast in an earlier, more honorable incarnation.

Fixed. Normally I wouldn't say that, but those assholes deserve it.

351 Racer X  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:22:31pm

re: #348 Spare O'Lake

And assorted bloodthirsty civilians in Gaza and the West Bank.

Yes. The real objective of this little adventure was spilled blood.

352 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:24:03pm

re: #351 Racer X

Yes. The real objective of this little adventure was spilled blood.

Yep, Islamists wanted blood spilled, so they attacked. Aloha Snackbar!

353 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:24:27pm

re: #347 marjoriemoon

For real??

Yep, bought at auction for 70K euros in march. She were the MV Linda, an 1800 ton freighter, with a crew of ukranian hearties abandoned by the ships master off the irish coast.

Photo here:

[Link: www.vesseltracker.com...]

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:25:42pm

OK, this from YNet.

They still give 'Turkish media' as the source for the two killed, and add that a soldier was stabbed in the stomach and is 'moderately' injured.

Oh, and with a truly Israeli touch, there was apparently an MK on board. Hanin Zuabi from Balad.

355 Varek Raith  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:26:02pm

re: #353 Guanxi88

Yep, bought at auction for 70K euros in march. She were the MV Linda, an 1800 ton freighter, with a crew of ukranian hearties abandoned by the ships master off the irish coast.

Photo here:

[Link: www.vesseltracker.com...]

Whoa, that's a bigger ship than I was expecting them to use.

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:26:26pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, this from YNet.

They still give 'Turkish media' as the source for the two killed, and add that a soldier was stabbed in the stomach and is 'moderately' injured.

Oh, and with a truly Israeli touch, there was apparently an MK on board. Hanin Zuabi from Balad.

Sorry, the article is here.

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:26:47pm

re: #355 Varek Raith

Whoa, that's a bigger ship than I was expecting them to use.

There were about 600 people on this adventure, they needed the room.

358 Varek Raith  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:27:18pm

re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist

There were about 600 people on this adventure, they needed the room.

Damn!

359 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:27:30pm

re: #355 Varek Raith

Whoa, that's a bigger ship than I was expecting them to use.

They're hauling, by their own claims, about 700 activists and such like, on a flotilla of six or so ships. No surprise at all that the ship'd be so large.

besides, the price was right. 70K euros for that thing? i'd pay twice that - if I had it - and gloat over the bargain all day long.

360 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:27:55pm

re: #353 Guanxi88

Yep, bought at auction for 70K euros in march. She were the MV Linda, an 1800 ton freighter, with a crew of ukranian hearties abandoned by the ships master off the irish coast.

Photo here:

[Link: www.vesseltracker.com...]

Good grief.

I was listening to Jerusalem Online. The feed is very slow. It's not usually, but it has some footage of the boats. Also that Israel did agree to take the goods after they were inspected.

[Link: www.jerusalemonline.com...]

361 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:28:36pm

re: #355 Varek Raith

Whoa, that's a bigger ship than I was expecting them to use.

If I had a nickel.....

362 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:10pm

re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, the article is here.

Looks like they left out the part where the IDF said that Israel would accept the manifest or supplies but would have to divert to another port.

363 Varek Raith  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:23pm

re: #361 Guanxi88

If I had a nickel...

Here, go away!
Image: keelNickelProof_obv.jpg

364 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:49pm

re: #359 Guanxi88

They're hauling, by their own claims, about 700 activists and such like, on a flotilla of six or so ships. No surprise at all that the ship'd be so large.

besides, the price was right. 70K euros for that thing? i'd pay twice that - if I had it - and gloat over the bargain all day long.

It needed major repairs. A ship that grounds needs a drydock to be put back to rights and those are expensive.

365 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:30:11pm

re: #363 Varek Raith

Here, go away!
Image: keelNickelProof_obv.jpg

Woo hoo! My retirement fund FINALLY got matching!

366 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:31:41pm

You people are keeping me up to late.

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:32:01pm

re: #366 marjoriemoon

You people are keeping me up to late.

I'm freaking out!

368 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:32:07pm

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

It needed major repairs. A ship that grounds needs a drydock to be put back to rights and those are expensive.

Didn't run aground; ships master just abandoned it and the crew after they docked and off-loaded in ireland. A not-unheard-of maneuver from dirtbag captains; they made their money, and don't pay the crew, and devil take the hindmost.

369 Spare O'Lake  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:32:31pm

re: #366 marjoriemoon

You people are keeping me up to late.

Me too...good night all!

370 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:33:09pm

re: #369 Spare O'Lake

Me too...good night all!

Night.

371 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:33:29pm

re: #368 Guanxi88

Didn't run aground; ships master just abandoned it and the crew after they docked and off-loaded in Ireland. A not-unheard-of maneuver from dirtbag captains; they made their money, and don't pay the crew, and devil take the hindmost.

Someone like that should have his bank accounts frozen and their contents used to pay the crew.

372 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:34:16pm

re: #368 Guanxi88

Didn't run aground; ships master just abandoned it and the crew after they docked and off-loaded in ireland. A not-unheard-of maneuver from dirtbag captains; they made their money, and don't pay the crew, and devil take the hindmost.

We had one of those in the Gulf of mexico not that long ago; a pakistani crew on a freighter outta fuel, outta water, and outta luck. captain took the motor launch and left them, saying he was going to the port to make arrangements, and never came back.

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:34:49pm

Well, this lady has it all worked out:

Laura__Martin‎: PressTV: Activists on #flotilla taken to Haifa, where Israel has built a prison

374 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:34:59pm

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

Someone like that should have his bank accounts frozen and their contents used to pay the crew.

Good luck tracking down and recovering from the Ukraine or Russia; better to just seize the ship and auction it off to pay the crew - which is what ended up happening.

375 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:35:22pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, this lady has it all worked out:

Laura__Martin‎: PressTV: Activists on #flotilla taken to Haifa, where Israel has built a prison

FEMA camps!

/

376 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:36:14pm

New BP Logo:

"Image: 1275282711648.jpg

377 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:36:40pm

re: #374 Guanxi88

Good luck tracking down and recovering from the Ukraine or Russia; better to just seize the ship and auction it off to pay the crew - which is what ended up happening.

Cool. Glad they got something.

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:37:32pm

sayedm‎: @khadijapatel Khallas, 16 shuhada and counting #Flotilla

379 What, me worry?  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:37:53pm

It will wait until tomorrow. Gnight lizards.

380 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:38:15pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, this lady has it all worked out:

Laura__Martin‎: PressTV: Activists on #flotilla taken to Haifa, where Israel has built a prison

After what they just pulled, prison is where they belong till the Israelis sort out who was involved in the attacks on IDF personnel. Those people should go up on charges.

381 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:39:18pm

How's everybody?

382 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:39:24pm

lauradurkay‎: totally forgot I put food in microwave 20 minutes ago. distracted by murdering Israeli bastards. #flotilla

383 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:39:37pm

re: #381 Bagua

How's everybody?

Frantic. How about you?

384 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:40:09pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

Cool. Glad they got something.

Crew was owed something like 39K Euros in back-wages.

385 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:40:32pm

re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist

Frantic. How about you?

Frantic.

386 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:41:21pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

sayedm‎: @khadijapatel Khallas, 16 shuhada and counting #Flotilla

Shuhada = "martyrs", correct?

Also known as Good Terrorists.

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:41:45pm

re: #386 Dark_Falcon

Shuhada = "martyrs", correct?

Also known as Good Terrorists.

Yes. I don't know what 'Khallas' is.

388 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:41:57pm

re: #384 Guanxi88

Crew was owed something like 39K Euros in back-wages.

Ouch.

389 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42:13pm

Al-Jazeera 2 min report from the ship:

390 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:43:01pm

Had a thought...

Screw Turkey.

391 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:44:20pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. I don't know what 'Khallas' is.

Ah, "martyred" while attacking Israelis. SO their heros are men who bring knives to a gunfight.

Darwin Akbar!

392 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:44:53pm

re: #390 Gus 802

Had a thought...

Screw Turkey.

I like your thought.

393 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:45:01pm

re: #389 Nimed

Al-Jazeera 2 min report from the ship:

[Video]

Hooray for Pali-Wood.

394 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:45:48pm

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

I like your thought.

They aided and abated in this stunt.

395 Joo-LiZ  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:47:58pm

Sounds like Free Gaza got exactly the kind of PR/propaganda incident they were hoping for.

I'm unsurprised, but somewhat disappointed.

396 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:48:13pm

BP explains this unusual incident:

The Front Fell Off

397 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:49:15pm

There'd be something truly beautiful were the ships seized to be scrapped and used to make armor for israeli school buses, or bars for prisons.

398 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:49:36pm

re: #393 Guanxi88

Hooray for Pali-Wood.

"There's much seething there in Pali-Wood,
where any office-boy or young mechanic,
can start a panic,
by blowing himself to bits."

399 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:51:20pm

re: #395 Joo-LiZ

Sounds like Free Gaza got exactly the kind of PR/propaganda incident they were hoping for.

I'm unsurprised, but somewhat disappointed.

The number of people fooled by these propaganda stunts is declining.

400 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:52:11pm

re: #242 Gus 802

If anyone did get shot and died I'll wait for an official autopsy report.

These folks are the type that would shoot their own people for the propaganda.

Spot on!

401 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:52:19pm

re: #366 marjoriemoon

You people are keeping me up to late.

Did you watch when Charles had the live feed of the Gaza bombings?
Mesmerizing.
Hours of little or no action, except for the Rooster crowing before dawn.

402 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:54:59pm

re: #401 Floral Giraffe


Hours of little or no action, except for the Rooster crowing before dawn.

Except for the call to prayer and the occasional explosion, the audio could have been recorded in my neighborhood.

403 Gus  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:55:02pm

re: #400 Bagua

Spot on!

Was just looking at an AJ video. A lot of drama. Some of it looks kind of staged which is typical.

404 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:56:35pm

I've been reading bits and pieces suggesting that there were European MPs on some of the ships. None from any sources I'd be willing to bet the house on, though. Has anyone else heard this?

405 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:57:27pm

re: #404 JasonA

I've been reading bits and pieces suggesting that there were European MPs on some of the ships. None from any sources I'd be willing to bet the house on, though. Has anyone else heard this?

The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.

406 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:57:51pm

re: #404 JasonA

I've been reading bits and pieces suggesting that there were European MPs on some of the ships. None from any sources I'd be willing to bet the house on, though. Has anyone else heard this?

From individual countries or MEPs?

407 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:58:38pm

re: #405 Guanxi88

The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.

[Link: www.freegaza.org...]

Challenger I and Challenger II, they claim as American-flagged.

408 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:59:14pm

re: #404 JasonA

I've been reading bits and pieces suggesting that there were European MPs on some of the ships. None from any sources I'd be willing to bet the house on, though. Has anyone else heard this?

No. Can you post your not-so-reliable sources anyway? Also, do you mean from the European parliament or from national parliaments? If the latter, from which countries?

409 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 10:59:38pm

re: #405 Guanxi88

The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.

If any of them were American flagged, anyone on board should be tried for piracy. I think our flag gives jurisdiction.

410 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:02:53pm

re: #408 Nimed

No. Can you post your not-so-reliable sources anyway? Also, do you mean from the European parliament or from national parliaments? If the latter, from which countries?

They've got an Irish senator, 3 german MPs,

411 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:03:18pm

re: #405 Guanxi88

The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.

The members of the European Parliament are known as MEP's.

412 Guanxi88  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:04:06pm

re: #411 Bagua

The members of the European Parliament are known as MEP's.

yeah, these jokers are MP's in their own nations, and not, so far as I can tell, MEP folk.

414 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:05:26pm

re: #410 Guanxi88

They've got an Irish senator, 3 german MPs,

What if Ireland and Germany doesn't want them back? This could turn into an asylum thing. They may be undocumented workers.

415 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:07:49pm

re: #412 Guanxi88

yeah, these jokers are MP's in their own nations, and not, so far as I can tell, MEP folk.

The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.

416 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:10:11pm

re: #415 Bagua

The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.

Quite Concur. And any MEP that took part in this vile scam should be expelled from the European Parliament. That of course, will not happen.

417 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:18:52pm

re: #415 Bagua

The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.

Sorry Bagua, but how would you know? I spent 1/3 of my life in a "European country", which is quite enough to know that there are good and MP, just like everywhere else.

In general, claims about Europe as a homogeneous whole are not that useful, even when it comes to foreign affairs.

418 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:20:42pm

re: #417 Nimed

Sorry Bagua, but how would you know? I spent 1/3 of my life in a "European country", which is quite enough to know that there are good and MP, just like everywhere else.

In general, claims about Europe as a homogeneous whole are not that useful, even when it comes to foreign affairs.

PIMF - good and bad MPs

419 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:25:20pm

re: #417 Nimed

Sorry Bagua, but how would you know? I spent 1/3 of my life in a "European country", which is quite enough to know that there are good and MP, just like everywhere else.

In general, claims about Europe as a homogeneous whole are not that useful, even when it comes to foreign affairs.

Pulling rank? Lol, I doubt you've spent as many years in as many "European" countries as have I, nor followed as closely their political evolution.

420 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:28:56pm

re: #419 Bagua

Pulling rank? Lol, I doubt you've spent as many years in as many "European" countries as have I, nor followed as closely their political evolution.

Looks like you didn't learn that much from the time you spent there, or you wouldn't be making sweeping generalization about "European" MPs across 30+ nation states with very different political systems.

421 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:36:24pm

re: #420 Nimed

Looks like you didn't learn that much from the time you spent there, or you wouldn't be making sweeping generalization about "European" MPs across 30+ nation states with very different political systems.

Heh, you're making a sweeping generalisation and have not demonstrated to me that you are familiar with the subject at hand. For example, you say """European" MPs across 30+ nation states", yet there are only 27 nation states in the European Union.

422 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:40:19pm

re: #421 Bagua

Heh, you're making a sweeping generalisation and have not demonstrated to me that you are familiar with the subject at hand. For example, you say """European" MPs across 30+ nation states", yet there are only 27 nation states in the European Union.

Yes, because Europe!=European Union. European refers to the former, which, by the way, is something non-Europeans tend to forget more easily.

423 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:40:44pm

re: #421 Bagua

I'm calling that one a foul. You didn't specify just EU Europeans countries at the start of this.

424 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:48:03pm

re: #423 JasonA

I'm calling that one a foul. You didn't specify just EU Europeans countries at the start of this.

Of course I did, you're just unfamiliar with the terminology, I said:


The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.

When one speaks of the "European" MPs and MEPs with derision it always alludes to the patsies in the European Union.

425 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:51:10pm

re: #422 Nimed

Yes, because Europe!=European Union. European refers to the former, which, by the way, is something non-Europeans tend to forget more easily.

Yes, just like America means the United States, not Canada and Mexico. There is such a thing as the European Union now, which nation states are you referring to? I'll let you know if I include them in the "soft as a grape" group.

426 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:52:20pm

re: #415 Bagua

The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.


Can you read a bit of Spanish/Portuguese? Here's an example of a "soft grape":
[Link: aeiou.expresso.pt...]

A Portuguese MP went on a hunger strike to pass his proposals in the budget, my friend. I'm not really proud of it, but a soft grape he ain't.

427 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:53:29pm

(And one never speaks of the Dutch in polite company of course.)

428 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:56:13pm

re: #424 Bagua

When one speaks of the "European" MPs and MEPs with derision it always alludes to the patsies in the European Union.

If you were referring to the MEP (members of the European Parliament, not European MPs), that's slightly more defensible. But it's weird, considering that the European MPs we were referring to in the thread were national MPs from European governments.

429 Bagua  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:57:05pm

re: #426 Nimed

Can you read a bit of Spanish/Portuguese? Here's an example of a "soft grape":
[Link: aeiou.expresso.pt...]

A Portuguese MP went on a hunger strike to pass his proposals in the budget, my friend. I'm not really proud of it, but a soft grape he ain't.

Good lord man, you are not going to pull the old exception fallacy? There are always individuals who show some integrity. Notice I said "the average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important."

I assume the clowns on board the boats are from that "average" group.

430 Nimed  Sun, May 30, 2010 11:58:44pm

re: #425 Bagua

Yes, just like America means the United States, not Canada and Mexico. There is such a thing as the European Union now, which nation states are you referring to? I'll let you know if I include them in the "soft as a grape" group.

The more accurate correspondent would be between NAFTA and North America (which would be more accurate if there were North American countries which weren't part of NAFTA).

431 Nimed  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:01:04am

re: #429 Bagua

Good lord man, you are not going to pull the old exception fallacy? There are always individuals who show some integrity. Notice I said "the average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important."

I assume the clowns on board the boats are from that "average" group.

Dude, the claim

The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important

Is for you to demonstrate, not for me to refute. I gave you an extreme example. There are plenty of more moderate ones. Since you're the one talking about averages, please present any meaningful data that supports you claim.

432 Bagua  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:01:38am

re: #428 Nimed

If you were referring to the MEP (members of the European Parliament, not European MPs), that's slightly more defensible. But it's weird, considering that the European MPs we were referring to in the thread were national MPs from European governments.

I responded to:

re: #405 Guanxi88

The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.

That assumes they are either MEPs or MPs from a member of the European Union.

What non EU member are you defending the honour of?

433 Nimed  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:08:40am

re: #432 Bagua

What non EU member are you defending the honour of?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if, say, an MP of the Norwegian Socialist Left Party were on the flotilla.

Waiting for a convincing case on those soft grapes.

434 Bagua  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:08:51am

re: #431 Nimed

Dude, the claim

The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important

Is for you to demonstrate, not for me to refute. I gave you an extreme example. There are plenty of more moderate ones. Since you're the one talking about averages, please present any meaningful data that supports you claim.

The idiots floating towards Gaza are clearly "soft as a grape" QED.

435 Nimed  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:12:26am

re: #434 Bagua

The idiots floating towards Gaza are clearly "soft as a grape" QED.

Well, ideally you would provide a testable definition of a soft grape. And why would the MPs on the flotilla represent the average of the national MPs of their own countries, let alone the other European countries who didn't elect them?

436 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:13:36am

I like my grapes a little soft, actually. Too firm is no good.

437 Bagua  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:15:12am

re: #433 Nimed

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if, say, an MP of the Norwegian Socialist Left Party were on the flotilla.

Waiting for a convincing case on those soft grapes.

OK, good point, there are some soft grapes in the hold outs. You'll get no argument there.

438 Nimed  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:15:46am

re: #436 JasonA

Too firm is no good.

That's what she said. No, wait..

439 Bagua  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:19:15am

re: #435 Nimed

Well, ideally you would provide a testable definition of a soft grape. And why would the MPs on the flotilla represent the average of the national MPs of their own countries, let alone the other European countries who didn't elect them?

You want a testable definition of a soft grape? I'll have to consult my attorney for that.

440 Nimed  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:19:38am

Jesus. 7 updates and 750 comments on the Kos diary about the flotilla incident. I'm going in...

441 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:20:35am

re: #440 Nimed

Jesus. 7 updates and 750 comments on the Kos diary about the flotilla incident. I'm going in...

It ain't pretty.

442 Bagua  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:20:37am

re: #440 Nimed

Good luck, report back.

443 Gus  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:21:33am

re: #440 Nimed

Jesus. 7 updates and 750 comments on the Kos diary about the flotilla incident. I'm going in...

Don't forget to wear your hip waders!

444 Bagua  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:22:27am

And watch out for soft grapes!

445 Nimed  Mon, May 31, 2010 12:37:12am

Fairly typical comment (20+ / 0-):


The real crime is that Gaza is an open-air prison with many dead and many others suffering. This part is not news, however, if it turns out that Americans or Europeans have been killed, now that is a story...at least to be reported in Europe and the UK. May be briefly mentioned in the US and then promptly buried. One only need recall how former President Carter was viciously slandered and then minimized when he spoke out on the issue.

I invoke Teh non-Morrison Jim! Could you get a bit closer to the right-wing stereotype of a liberal, please?

446 teleskiguy  Mon, May 31, 2010 2:56:11am

this is my favorite internet video

May the forces of good always triumph over evil!

447 Tigger2005  Mon, May 31, 2010 5:14:12am

The women back then were so hawt!

448 wiffersnapper  Mon, May 31, 2010 6:06:52am

God bless 'em.


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