Video: Honolulu, August 14, 1945
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 7:10:38pm |
Thanks for sharing this. My own father was in the Pacific war, in the islands of the South Pacific. If the war had gone on for several more months I might not even had been born.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 7:11:13pm |
OMG the quality is amazing! Like new. They were reel to reel I'm assuming? I have some of my parents when I was a kid that I had put on VCR tapes, but I want to have them redone on DVD.
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 7:12:28pm |
re: #3 marjoriemoon
The scanned film probably went through noise reduction.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 30, 2010 7:17:10pm |
just WOW! I loved seeing the flags with 48 stars ... what a great clip
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 7:17:21pm |
very poignant film....the razors edge between bad times behind and better times ahead
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 7:17:56pm |
re: #5 freetoken
The scanned film probably went through noise reduction.
The song sounds like it was laid over it, but then you hear some street noise and horns. My film reels (super 8 is it called?) don't have any sound so I put a soundtrack on it.
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Stinky Beaumont Sun, May 30, 2010 7:22:20pm |
This is an amazing film for me -- I grew up in this town, and I actually recognize many of the locations.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 7:24:25pm |
re: #11 Stinky Beaumont
This is an amazing film for me -- I grew up in this town, and I actually recognize many of the locations.
Truth be told, I thought it was yours at first! I didn't see the Richard Sullivan part.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 7:25:14pm |
re: #11 Stinky Beaumont
This is an amazing film for me -- I grew up in this town, and I actually recognize many of the locations.
ahhh...didn't think of that angle, good for you
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Irenicum Sun, May 30, 2010 7:28:24pm |
Wow Charles. That's an amazing video in so many ways. My father was serving at Pearl Harbor at that time as a civilian after the attacks till the end of the war. It's really freaky and also wonderful to think he could be in some of those scenes. Thank you doesn't begin to express my feelings.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 7:33:30pm |
imagine the sense of relief, after 3 1/2 years of brutal fighting and sacrifice...what a buzz that must have been, a melancholy joy of some sort...the harshest, most difficult war the US will ever fight, and it was finally over
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 7:35:14pm |
OT: For all you comic lovers out there, the blog Atomic Surgery put up a post about a 1965 DC comic:
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 7:36:35pm |
re: #18 freetoken
OT: For all you comic lovers out there, the blog Atomic Surgery put up a post about a 1965 DC comic:
I became the Sun Creature!
(Hoops)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:40:44pm |
Sorry I dropped out the discussion on the last thread, I had a lengthy coughing fit. Took some time to get my head back on straight.
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fizzlogic Sun, May 30, 2010 7:44:06pm |
Awesome video. But it makes me sad missing my parents.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:44:14pm |
Compare/contrast this with the behavior of the Jordyptians after 9/11/01.
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 7:46:40pm |
re: #22 MandyManners
Compare/contrast this with the behavior of the Jordyptians after 9/11/01.
I'd rather celebrate America than focus on her enemies, but to each their own I suppose.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:48:12pm |
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 7:49:41pm |
re: #25 McSpiff
I'd rather celebrate America than focus on her enemies, but to each their own I suppose.
so celebrate!...oh you mean in real life, not on a blog?
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Cato the Elder Sun, May 30, 2010 7:49:54pm |
Meanwhile, back on the last thread, someone is defending this cartoon as being not that far removed from the reality of Israeli-American designs on the poor Arab world. And other someones are updinging that comment.
I used to think I knew what to expect here, but not anymore.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 7:51:05pm |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, back on the last thread, someone is defending this cartoon as being not that far removed from the reality of Israeli-American designs on the poor Arab world. And other someones are updinging that comment.
I used to think I knew what to expect here, but not anymore.
I'm not at all surprised...I followed that exchange
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 30, 2010 7:52:39pm |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, back on the last thread, someone is defending this cartoon as being not that far removed from the reality of Israeli-American designs on the poor Arab world. And other someones are updinging that comment.
I used to think I knew what to expect here, but not anymore.
And interesting, but I posed 3 questions on the reaction to that cartoon, and crickets...
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 7:53:23pm |
re: #27 albusteve
so celebrate!...oh you mean in real life, not on a blog?
Sadly being in Canada, and being midnight on a Sunday both limits the amount of fun I can have. We did have the Queen's Birthday last weekend, and that was a load of fun.
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ryannon Sun, May 30, 2010 7:54:02pm |
re: #30 Walter L. Newton
And interesting, but I posed 3 questions on the reaction to that cartoon, and crickets...
They're on the menu. Anything else, sir?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 30, 2010 7:56:32pm |
re: #31 McSpiff
Sadly being in Canada, and being midnight on a Sunday both limits the amount of fun I can have. We did have the Queen's Birthday last weekend, and that was a load of fun.
Try curling... it's a 24/7 sport.
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 7:57:49pm |
re: #34 Walter L. Newton
Try curling... it's a 24/7 sport.
We get about two and half weeks of summer around here and I do not intend to spend them in a rink thank you very much!
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 7:59:28pm |
re: #25 McSpiff
I'd rather celebrate America than focus on her enemies, but to each their own I suppose.
But, to each HER own.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:00:01pm |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:00:55pm |
re: #31 McSpiff
Sadly being in Canada, and being midnight on a Sunday both limits the amount of fun I can have. We did have the Queen's Birthday last weekend, and that was a load of fun.
WHEN CORGIS GO WILD!
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:01:21pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 30, 2010 8:01:42pm |
And on a side note... well, one more night substituting for the overnight checker/stocker... this part time job is turning more and more into a 3/4 time job... I'm thinking the Self-Scan could be a little more busy tonight since it is right before a holiday monday, and we also get a lot of tourist and travelers headed through the mountains...
I hope Self-Scan is busier tonight than last night... the more time I have to spend taking care of the 6 Self-Scan stations, the less time I have to spend with the "long shore men" night crew.
If anyone is near the Conifer Colorado King Soopers (Krogers) store tonight, stop in for a Starbucks and a chat.
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albusteve Sun, May 30, 2010 8:02:21pm |
I'm out like John Wayne in the Sands of Iwo Jima
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 30, 2010 8:02:44pm |
re: #41 albusteve
I'm out like John Wayne in the Sands of Iwo Jima
Night Steve... stop in at the store tonight if you get a chance.
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:03:17pm |
re: #38 MandyManners
WHEN CORGIS GO WILD!
The ironic part is most people have no idea that "Victoria Day" is actually the Queen's official Canadian Birthday. I love this country. Give the people an excuse to take a day off and drink and no one questions it.
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Bear Sun, May 30, 2010 8:03:35pm |
I was a green replacement in one of the divisions scheduled to make the initial invasion of the Japanese Homeland.
When we got word of the surrender even though the regiment had a beer ration that day, there was no real celebration. We were just very quiet realizing that perhaps we might get home and not face the 80% casualty we were told that were expected in the invasion. There was one shot I heard that evening and it was from an adjacent company, not ours.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:04:32pm |
re: #43 McSpiff
The ironic part is most people have no idea that "Victoria Day" is actually the Queen's official Canadian Birthday. I love this country. Give the people an excuse to take a day off and drink and no one questions it.
Dude, it's pretty much universal.
The attitude, that is.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:05:18pm |
re: #44 Bear
I was a green replacement in one of the divisions scheduled to make the initial invasion of the Japanese Homeland.
When we got word of the surrender even though the regiment had a beer ration that day, there was no real celebration. We were just very quiet realizing that perhaps we might get home and not face the 80% casualty we were told that were expected in the invasion. There was one shot I heard that evening and it was from an adjacent company, not ours.
Thank you for your service. I'm glad that you and many others were spared that meatgrinder.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:05:25pm |
re: #44 Bear
I was a green replacement in one of the divisions scheduled to make the initial invasion of the Japanese Homeland.
When we got word of the surrender even though the regiment had a beer ration that day, there was no real celebration. We were just very quiet realizing that perhaps we might get home and not face the 80% casualty we were told that were expected in the invasion. There was one shot I heard that evening and it was from an adjacent company, not ours.
Bless your heart, Bear.
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:06:39pm |
re: #46 MandyManners
Dude, it's pretty much universal.
The attitude, that is.
See, that's what a healthy cultural divide looks like. I respect the fact that Americans got drunk this week, y'all seem to respect that we did it last weekend. If only the rest of the world was so understanding...
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lostlakehiker Sun, May 30, 2010 8:07:28pm |
re: #16 albusteve
imagine the sense of relief, after 3 1/2 years of brutal fighting and sacrifice...what a buzz that must have been, a melancholy joy of some sort...the harshest, most difficult war the US will ever fight, and it was finally over
Sadly, we don't know that. The future could hold all sorts of evils, especially if we make big mistakes.
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:28pm |
re: #51 lostlakehiker
Sadly, we don't know that. The future could hold all sorts of evils, especially if we make big mistakes.
Updinged, but I can't see the world having a conflict both that large in terms of scale, and that long. I'm from the school of thought that says the next big one will be measured in months at the most...
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:28pm |
re: #45 MandyManners
I ADORE CONIFER!!!
I adore you! Conifer, the real home of South Park of course, the home of Parker and Stone, with all the Conifer "charm" transposed to a cartoon series and placed in the fictional Colorado mountain town of "South Park."
Of course, the actual South Park is not a town, but a mountain meadow about 60 mile further southwest of here.
It is a beautiful sight to look out the large entrance of the supermarket and see the outline of the mountains and the stars and clouds during the night...
But I prefer staying on the day shift/evening shift... these forays into overnights are few and far between, but they do happen. I'd rather see the outline of the mountains and the sky in daylight.
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 8:09:46pm |
re: #51 lostlakehiker
Sadly, we don't know that. The future could hold all sorts of evils, especially if we make big mistakes.
I disagree with Steve's assertion. The Civil War no doubt had far greater casualties and suffering (for Americans.)
Also, I will go you one better and say: The future will hold all sorts of evils, regardless if we make big mistakes or not.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 30, 2010 8:10:28pm |
Out of here... off to work, a cup of java, then clock in at 10:00... (I leave early, I like to be there about 1/2 hour before I start, store is only 10 minutes away).
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brookly red Sun, May 30, 2010 8:11:16pm |
re: #51 lostlakehiker
Sadly, we don't know that. The future could hold all sorts of evils, especially if we make big mistakes.
Yup, and the biggest mistake of all is to see it coming and do nothing.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:13:41pm |
And in other news, the Stalkers are obsessing over the Correlator Tool Charles used to ferret out so many of their sockpuppets. Naturally, they could keep on topic and rapidly veered off into the fever swamp of schoolyard insults aimed at Charles, Iceweasel and Killgore. Three people who clearly live in the Stalkers' heads.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:15:29pm |
re: #50 McSpiff
See, that's what a healthy cultural divide looks like. I respect the fact that Americans got drunk this week, y'all seem to respect that we did it last weekend. If only the rest of the world was so understanding...
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:16:19pm |
Nice Hawaii video. Maybe someday we'll have a president from there./// /// ///
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:16:32pm |
re: #55 Walter L. Newton
Out of here... off to work, a cup of java, then clock in at 10:00... (I leave early, I like to be there about 1/2 hour before I start, store is only 10 minutes away).
Walter, I salute you. Your devotion to your work and doing your best is a inspiration to us all. Its people like you who make our nation great.
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 8:16:37pm |
Bad news for Tolkien and Jackson fans:
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:17:42pm |
re: #59 JasonA
Nice Hawaii video. Maybe someday we'll have a president from there./// /// ///
YOU'VE BEEN DUPED!!!1 HE'S GOT NO NIRTH CERTIFIKATE FROM HAWAII!!11
/Nirther
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:17:50pm |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
I adore you! Conifer, the real home of South Park of course, the home of Parker and Stone, with all the Conifer "charm" transposed to a cartoon series and placed in the fictional Colorado mountain town of "South Park."
Of course, the actual South Park is not a town, but a mountain meadow about 60 mile further southwest of here.
It is a beautiful sight to look out the large entrance of the supermarket and see the outline of the mountains and the stars and clouds during the night...
But I prefer staying on the day shift/evening shift... these forays into overnights are few and far between, but they do happen. I'd rather see the outline of the mountains and the sky in daylight.
I spent many a hour gazing over the range.
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 8:18:06pm |
This hasn't gotten any play here (I think):
Officers arrest 'person of interest' on diverted plane
An Aeromexico flight from France to Mexico was diverted to Montreal, Canada, Sunday because a "person of interest" was on board, a Transportation Security Administration spokesman said.
Law enforcement officers removed the passenger from the flight after it landed at the Montreal airport, and arrested the individual on an outstanding warrant, TSA spokesman Sterling Payne said.
All other passengers were rescreened before the flight continued to its destination of Mexico City, Mexico, he said. The Boeing 767 originated in Paris, France.
Payne said TSA would continue to monitor the flight.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:18:08pm |
re: #61 freetoken
Bad news for Tolkien and Jackson fans:
Dammit! I was looking forward to seeing what he would do with that.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:18:35pm |
re: #55 Walter L. Newton
Out of here... off to work, a cup of java, then clock in at 10:00... (I leave early, I like to be there about 1/2 hour before I start, store is only 10 minutes away).
Take care, Walter!
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 8:19:26pm |
re: #65 JasonA
It's beginning to look like the movie is languishing. I don't know if they had hoped to cast any of the LOTR actors, but if they did and delays continue then, well, the actors might not be available.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:22:24pm |
re: #25 McSpiff
I'd rather celebrate America than focus on her enemies, but to each their own I suppose.
One fucking tracked mind.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:23:01pm |
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:26:27pm |
The woodies in the clip were awesome, eh Spare?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 8:26:30pm |
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:27:37pm |
re: #71 Spare O'Lake
I just love how a VJ day video turns pronto into the middle east.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:28:09pm |
Oh, and this Justified show?
Yeah. Got it.
It's as real as Hollywood can make it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:31:50pm |
Can't get online. Fuck.
Restart computer.
Still no. Fuck.
Restart box from cable company.
Still no. Fuck.
Yell at cat. It tells me to fuck off.
Restart computer and the box. Nothing fuck.
Kick chair, hurt foot. Fuck.
Ice down foot. Fuck.
Decide that the ice should be used for my drinks and the pain would go away eventually. Priorities.
Restart the router.
Here I am.
Evening Honcos!!
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 8:32:12pm |
re: #72 Stanley Sea
I just love how a VJ day video turns pronto into the middle east.
Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.
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brookly red Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:26pm |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can't get online. Fuck.
Restart computer.
Still no. Fuck.
Restart box from cable company.
Still no. Fuck.
Yell at cat. It tells me to fuck off.
Restart computer and the box. Nothing fuck.
Kick chair, hurt foot. Fuck.
Ice down foot. Fuck.
Decide that the ice should be used for my drinks and the pain would go away eventually. Priorities.
Restart the router.
Here I am.
Evening Honcos!!
don't turn your back on the cat...
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firstinla Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:36pm |
Good evening, Lizards!
Thank you to all members, past and present, of our military for the freedoms we too easily take for granted. A special thank you for all those who made the greatest sacrifice that we enjoy today.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:43pm |
re: #75 Spare O'Lake
Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.
Are all these insults really necessary?
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:33:43pm |
re: #75 Spare O'Lake
miserable little fucks
Yeah, you are the go-to-guy for recognizing "miserable little fucks," aren't you?
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:07pm |
re: #75 Spare O'Lake
Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.
Ha, says the poster who apparently has switched over to personal attacks for the evening. It's getting old Spare, it really is.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:45pm |
re: #76 brookly red
don't turn your back on the cat...
That's hard to avoid. Cats walk silently, so they can get behind you with ease.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:34:49pm |
re: #76 brookly red
don't turn your back on the cat...
I got home and heard a meow and scratching. Then I heard it again. The cat overlord spent the day in a hallway closet. D'oh!!!
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 8:35:35pm |
re: #75 Spare O'Lake
Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.
I'm starting to think you like that people pile on you. We should have another one of those BDSM threads.
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brookly red Sun, May 30, 2010 8:35:45pm |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
I got home and heard a meow and scratching. Then I heard it again. The cat overlord spent the day in a hallway closet. D'oh!!!
some one will pay dearly...
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firstinla Sun, May 30, 2010 8:35:54pm |
Basement cats, ceiling cats but sometimes closet cats are the most dangerous.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:07pm |
re: #75 Spare O'Lake
Move on Stunley, no one has tried to hijack the thread except miserable little fucks who constantly look for opportunities to attack certain folks.
Oh Spare me.
I'm going to watch the video again, to get the feeling back.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:16pm |
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:22pm |
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:31pm |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hi
Glad you made it. Have a drink!
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 8:36:53pm |
re: #61 freetoken
Bad news for Tolkien and Jackson fans:
Oh no!! Maybe another studio will pick it up?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:37:30pm |
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:03pm |
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:37pm |
re: #92 MandyManners
Oh, for fuck's sake.
Ding as you desire.
Honestly, what did you expect with the prog comment? I didn't ding either way, but I'm genuinely curious about why you seemed shocked by the down dings.
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brookly red Sun, May 30, 2010 8:38:48pm |
re: #83 MandyManners
Progs among us.
ask your doctor about new Prognomore... there are no side effects it's all good.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 8:39:06pm |
re: #91 marjoriemoon
Oh no!! Maybe another studio will pick it up?
:( man. That sucks. Guillermo del Toro would've made a great movie.
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:05pm |
re: #91 marjoriemoon
It's still Jackson's project, but having the chosen director step down from that job indicates that the project isn't going very far very quickly.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:40pm |
re: #86 firstinla
Basement cats, ceiling cats but sometimes closet cats are the most dangerous.
Cats often sleep in the closet, especially if you pile cloths there.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 8:40:53pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:41:22pm |
Watched the NatGeo thingy on Saddam, with the guy who interrogated Saddam. Dude asked Saddam if he had anything to do with OBL. Saddam called OBL a zealot. Heh.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:41:42pm |
If anyone thinks s/he can influence me using dirty techniques, I invite that asshole to click on my avatar.
I'm an old Lizard.
You cannot intimidate me.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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JG2K7 Sun, May 30, 2010 8:42:02pm |
Truly a great video. Thank you for sharing this, Charles. A happy memorial day to you and yours.
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:42:35pm |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 8:42:52pm |
re: #98 freetoken
It's still Jackson's project, but having the chosen director step down from that job indicates that the project isn't going very far very quickly.
It was a good article. Jackson said it was going to be two movies? How totally awesome that would be. del Toro is fabulous. What a drag.
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Canucknghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:01pm |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, back on the last thread, someone is defending this cartoon as being not that far removed from the reality of Israeli-American designs on the poor Arab world. And other someones are updinging that comment.
I used to think I knew what to expect here, but not anymore.
You didn't see my follow up.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:04pm |
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:53pm |
re: #102 MandyManners
If anyone thinks s/he can influence me using dirty techniques, I invite that asshole to click on my avatar.
I'm an old Lizard.
You cannot intimidate me.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Also explains the paranoia.
//
Look, I'll buy you a beer sometime to smooth this all over.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:43:59pm |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 8:44:34pm |
re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar
Watched the NatGeo thingy on Saddam, with the guy who interrogated Saddam. Dude asked Saddam if he had anything to do with OBL. Saddam called OBL a zealot. Heh.
Oh I missed it! What was the guy's name, you remember?
He had training camps for Al Queda in the country and he met with OBL's operatives over that.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:44:37pm |
NatGeo is doing a thing on Troofers right now. These fucker need a beating.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:44:58pm |
re: #108 McSpiff
Also explains the paranoia.
//
Look, I'll buy you a beer sometime to smooth this all over.
I don't drink beer.
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firstinla Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:01pm |
re: #108 McSpiff
Also explains the paranoia.
//
Look, I'll buy you a beer sometime to smooth this all over.
Cool: a beer summit. What a novel idea!
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:33pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:33pm |
re: #110 marjoriemoon
The FBI guy was named George Rico.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:34pm |
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:45:54pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:10pm |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can't get online. Fuck.
Restart computer.
Still no. Fuck.
Restart box from cable company.
Still no. Fuck.
Yell at cat. It tells me to fuck off.
Restart computer and the box. Nothing fuck.
Kick chair, hurt foot. Fuck.
Ice down foot. Fuck.
Decide that the ice should be used for my drinks and the pain would go away eventually. Priorities.
Restart the router.
Here I am.
Evening Honcos!!
hehehe.
Again, as it was this morning, your timing is impeccable.
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brookly red Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:14pm |
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:18pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
Too easy for what?
Jokes, Mandy. I was about to quote that line and call you "Jurassic," but I threw that fish back in the pond. No fun in it at all.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:31pm |
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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 30, 2010 8:46:46pm |
Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.
Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:47:04pm |
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:47:38pm |
re: #117 McSpiff
Whaaat?! What's the lady's drink of choice then?
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:03pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:03pm |
re: #122 Reginald Perrin
Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.
Here, here.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:06pm |
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:29pm |
re: #122 Reginald Perrin
Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.
It's really been one of those days here. Can't say I've been on the side of peace and harmony, either...
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:45pm |
re: #102 MandyManners
If anyone thinks s/he can influence me using dirty techniques, I invite that asshole to click on my avatar.
I'm an old Lizard.
You cannot intimidate me.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
oh, heck, mandy, I thought that was going to be your gas station experience.
(I still get the giggles)
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:48pm |
re: #122 Reginald Perrin
Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.
Mr. Perrin, I've always liked you. Thank you much for saying this out loud.
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Ojoe Sun, May 30, 2010 8:48:57pm |
My dad flew P-38s in the Pacific. He and his pilot buddies were very glad that VJ day came before they had to invade the home islands.
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MandyManners Sun, May 30, 2010 8:50:18pm |
re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar
She is a bourbon girl, IIRC.
I am not a girl.
I am a woman.
I am a woman who has the means to enjoy good Bourbon.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:05pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
I am not a girl.
I am a woman.
I am a woman who has the means to enjoy good Bourbon.
I ain't afraid of you!!!
/ducks
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:07pm |
re: #123 MandyManners
Speak up.
Juvenile sexual jokes came to mind.
By the way, the first half or so of the previous thread demonstrates that a calm, productive discussion on the Middle East is possible. Just sayin'.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:45pm |
re: #126 Dark_Falcon
Here, here.
"Hear, hear" is the correct usage, although "here, here" seems to be more frequently used these days.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:52pm |
re: #135 Nimed
Juvenile sexual jokes came to mind.
By the way, the first half or so of the previous thread demonstrates that a calm, productive discussion on the Middle East is possible. Just sayin'.
Oh, sure, they start that way...
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 8:51:59pm |
re: #132 Ojoe
I have always had a fascination for that plane. If I ever hit the lotto huge-Forget the Gulfstream I want one of those.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:16pm |
re: #122 Reginald Perrin
Remember the film at the top of this thread?
The people in this film made a hell of a sacrifice and it was for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings.Why can't we cool it with the name calling and show a little respect for WW2 veterans? It's a shame such a beautiful joyous film ended up with such an ugly thread.
We have a parade in town, every year for Armed Forces Day. Lots of WW2 veterans in my town. I see purple heart liscence plates at least weekly.
I always thank them for their service.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:33pm |
re: #137 Spare O'Lake
"Hear, hear" is the correct usage, although "here, here" seems to be more frequently used these days.
How about "Fucking A right!!"
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:40pm |
re: #139 Rightwingconspirator
I have always had a fascination for that plane. If I ever hit the lotto huge-Forget the Gulfstream I want one of those.
I want an airship.
No, seriously.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 8:52:42pm |
re: #122 Reginald Perrin
Well said and timely too.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:20pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:53:44pm |
re: #132 Ojoe
My dad flew P-38s in the Pacific. He and his pilot buddies were very glad that VJ day came before they had to invade the home islands.
The P-38 was an excellent fighter. It served through American involvement in WWII and in several different roles. Remarkable for a plane designed as a bomber destroyer.
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Ojoe Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:36pm |
re: #139 Rightwingconspirator
It took ALL your attention ALL the time to fly them my dad said.
When you landed you were soaked in sweat and utterly exhausted.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:37pm |
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:46pm |
re: #140 Floral Giraffe
We have a parade in town, every year for Armed Forces Day. Lots of WW2 veterans in my town. I see purple heart liscence plates at least weekly.
I always thank them for their service.
That reminds me. Anyone else hear Glenn Beck putting down the Purple Heart?
Asshole.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:52pm |
My drink making-fu is right on tonight. Can I get ya'll something?
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Ojoe Sun, May 30, 2010 8:55:34pm |
re: #142 JasonA
Airships are the only flying things that are actually part of the atmosphere.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 8:56:25pm |
re: #144 reine.de.tout
Swamprat covered all bases like a smarty.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 8:57:06pm |
re: #122 Reginald Perrin
There is a group of guys that fly WW2 trainers around the SF Valley every year for veterans holidays. I'll have the long lens on the 7d and hope to catch them. AT-6 aircraft. Quite a sight all these planes in tight formation.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:57:15pm |
re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar
My drink making-fu is right on tonight. Can I get ya'll something?
I want a manhattan.
Please.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 8:58:44pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:16pm |
re: #137 Spare O'Lake
"Hear, hear" is the correct usage, although "here, here" seems to be more frequently used these days.
Thank you for the correction.
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prairiefire Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:22pm |
Happy Memorial Day, Lizards. So many thanks to all of our lizard veterans and to your families.
That video made me 50 kinds of proud.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:31pm |
I have always been awed by the magnificent service of the men and women of the US military.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 8:59:39pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:00:40pm |
re: #160 reine.de.tout
Stirred with ice. And a cherry.
Reine will be available for lap dances in a bit...
///
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:19pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:29pm |
re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar
Reine will be available for lap dances in a bit...
///
ROFL.
You don't know the half of it . . .
LOL.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 30, 2010 9:01:46pm |
re: #154 Rightwingconspirator
There is a group of guys that fly WW2 trainers around the SF Valley every year for veterans holidays. I'll have the long lens on the 7d and hope to catch them. AT-6 aircraft. Quite a sight all these planes in tight formation.
All three of the biplanes from my local airport, were out cruising around today.
There's a red, yellow, and a blue one. You can hear the "different" motor sound & run out to see them. I think they're fun!
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:14pm |
re: #147 Ojoe
I'll bet. That was all cables and pulleys to control that big fighter. Built near my home here, in Burbank. Famous for getting Yamamato as I recall. If you look at the 1939 prototype, without the big cooler inlets under the propellers-Really sleek.
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swamprat Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:46pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
I am not a girl.
I am a woman.
I am a woman who has the means to enjoy good Bourbon.
I am a woman, watch me pour
Libations you cannot afford!
And I'll drink no cheap booze just to pretend
That I like cheap beer or you;
I'll have Maker's Mark thank you!
I consume the very best right to the end!
Yes, I've had wine, but it seems so pretentious...
Yes, I had beer, but it isn't worth the fuss,
If I had to, I'd out-drink all of you!
Beer ain't wrong
Beer ain't tasty, though!
I drink better!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 30, 2010 9:02:54pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:03:01pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:03:54pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:05:06pm |
Update:
Reine AND Floral will be available for lap dances soon.
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 9:05:54pm |
re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar
Update:
Reine AND Floral will be available for lap dances soon.
In that case, I'll take a rye and ginger.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:06:40pm |
OK, I've got to go try to finish this book I've been trying to read. I only read in the evenings, and I fall asleep. Tonight I can get an earlier than usual start, and maybe get a couple of chapters read before I fall asleep. I hope.
Lap dances will have to wait 'til tomorrow. Sorry!
Y'all have a good evening!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 30, 2010 9:07:04pm |
Chino warbird airshow linky.
Plane pr0n.
[Link: home.comcast.net...]
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:07:43pm |
re: #167 swamprat
Is that an original? It's very good!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:07:44pm |
re: #172 McSpiff
In that case, I'll take a rye and ginger.
I was in Canada and ordered a CC and coke. The bartender said "A rye and coke"? I said "No. A CC and coke". This went on for several minutes. Not kidding.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:07:46pm |
Hate to bring this up again but there's news coming in regarding the Gaza flotilla.
News reports that there are 2 dead and "dozens injured."
Reports coming in from AJ, Hamas run TV, and Turkish news...
Jpost reported as...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:08:44pm |
Also from the National Post...
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]
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Donna Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:09:28pm |
Hey Everybody, Happy Sunday to you all! I haven't been around much. Life has been keeping me busy and I'm not going to stay for long. I'm tired and its past my bed time but I just wanted to pop in for a moment to say I hope you all have a happy Memorial Day and salute all you Veterans out there and the men and women who are serving today I salute you and Thank You for your service to our Country. :-)
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swamprat Sun, May 30, 2010 9:10:16pm |
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:10:20pm |
re: #179 Dragon_Lady
Hey Everybody, Happy Sunday to you all! I haven't been around much. Life has been keeping me busy and I'm not going to stay for long. I'm tired and its past my bed time but I just wanted to pop in for a moment to say I hope you all have a happy Memorial Day and salute all you Veterans out there and the men and women who are serving today I salute you and Thank You for your service to our Country. :-)
Yay DL. You've been missed!!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:11:12pm |
re: #149 JasonA
That reminds me. Anyone else hear Glenn Beck putting down the Purple Heart?
Asshole.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
I'd like to see Beck walk into a VFW hall and say that. I guarantee he'd leave feet first.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:11:32pm |
re: #179 Dragon_Lady
You cut RWC off from the good things until he let you use the computer, right? Fess up.
///
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Donna Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:11:34pm |
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prairiefire Sun, May 30, 2010 9:12:53pm |
re: #184 Dragon_Lady
Hi, DL. Hope you have been well. Have you been laughing? ; )
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 9:13:22pm |
re: #180 swamprat
Well played. And on that note, I gotta get some sleep. New, large project hopefully starting tomorrow! Be safe y'all.
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Donna Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:13:33pm |
re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar
You cut RWC off from the good things until he let you use the computer, right? Fess up.
///
LOL! How'd you guess? I want an ipad for my birthday in july so I can sit and blog too when he's hogging the computer. Don't think its going to happen but I can always hope. I've missed all of you guys too.
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firstinla Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:39pm |
And thanks for the great cactus flower pic the other day. Wonderful!re: #184 Dragon_Lady
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:14:48pm |
Al jazeera reports israeli "attack" on supposed aid convoy:
[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]
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Donna Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:15:32pm |
re: #185 prairiefire
Hi, DL. Hope you have been well. Have you been laughing? ; )
Oh yeah, I can't seem to help it, RWC reads your posts out loud to me so I can keep in the loop and know what every ones up to. ;-)
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swamprat Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:00pm |
re: #167 swamprat
I post that also in fond remembrance of my dear Mother;
Who, when she was drinking, consumed a fifth of Canadian Club a day.
And died with her 40 year chip from AA.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:31pm |
re: #189 Guanxi88
Al jazeera reports israeli "attack" on supposed aid convoy:
[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]
Here's from the network itself:
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:50pm |
re: #189 Guanxi88
Al jazeera reports israeli "attack" on supposed aid convoy:
[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]
But tell us how you really feel ;-) Alright, I'm seriously showing myself to the door now…
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:16:52pm |
re: #177 Gus 802
Hate to bring this up again but there's news coming in regarding the Gaza flotilla.
News reports that there are 2 dead and "dozens injured."
Reports coming in from AJ, Hamas run TV, and Turkish news...
Jpost reported as...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Israel already sends aid to Gaza and quite a bit of it. They have closed off the sea access because they need to inspect what goes through, particularly weapons and the like.
[Link: newsblaze.com...]
Humanitarian Aid Transferred from Israel to Gaza in 2010, as of May 8, 2010:
# In 2010, 230,690 tons of humanitarian aid has been transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Israel-Gaza goods crossings
# More than 6.5 million gallons (25 million liters) of heavy duty diesel fuel for Gaza's power station has been transferred from Israel to Gaza
# More than 12,000 tons of cooking oil has been transferred into Gaza
# 6,354 Gazans have entered Israel on medical grounds
# 86 truckloads of flowers and strawberries have been exported from Gaza into Israel
So if they want to get aid to Gaza, they have a way of doing it without breaking through a military zone.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:17:44pm |
re: #194 McSpiff
But tell us how you really feel ;-) Alright, I'm seriously showing myself to the door now…
G'night, o son of the well-turned out one.
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Ojoe Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:05pm |
re: #166 Rightwingconspirator
Red Bull restored Lefty Gardner's P-38 & it is one of the early ones with the sleeker lower inlets.
P-38 restoration - reecent
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Donna Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:10pm |
re: #188 firstinla
And thanks for the great cactus flower pic the other day. Wonderful!
Your more than welcome! I have other pics I plan to put up in the future, I'm obsessed with flowers as my 14 miniature rose bushes can attest to. Keep in mind I live in an apartment here! You folks will probably get sick of all the pics I'm going to be posting in the future.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:11pm |
re: #191 swamprat
I post that also in fond remembrance of my dear Mother;
Who, when she was drinking, consumed a fifth of Canadian Club a day.
And died with her 40 year chip from AA.
Sorry.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:15pm |
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:18:30pm |
re: #195 marjoriemoon
Israel already sends aid to Gaza and quite a bit of it. They have closed off the sea access because they need to inspect what goes through, particularly weapons and the like.
[Link: newsblaze.com...]
Humanitarian Aid Transferred from Israel to Gaza in 2010, as of May 8, 2010:
# In 2010, 230,690 tons of humanitarian aid has been transferred from Israel into Gaza through the Israel-Gaza goods crossings
# More than 6.5 million gallons (25 million liters) of heavy duty diesel fuel for Gaza's power station has been transferred from Israel to Gaza
# More than 12,000 tons of cooking oil has been transferred into Gaza
# 6,354 Gazans have entered Israel on medical grounds
# 86 truckloads of flowers and strawberries have been exported from Gaza into IsraelSo if they want to get aid to Gaza, they have a way of doing it without breaking through a military zone.
Thanks!
I know. Went over that in the previous thread before I took a nap.
They also get direct aid from the state of Israel.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:19:18pm |
More news here from Turkish television...
[Link: www.livetvcenter.com...]
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Donna Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:19:45pm |
re: #198 Ojoe
Red Bull restored Lefty Gardner's P-38 & it is one of the early ones with the sleeker lower inlets.
P-38 restoration - reecent
Hey Ojoe, RWC logged out for a few so I could say hi to everyone. He'll check it out in a little while okay?
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McSpiff Sun, May 30, 2010 9:20:02pm |
Nice silent ding on that last one Spare. And an especially good night to you!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:20:04pm |
re: #189 Guanxi88
Al jazeera reports israeli "attack" on supposed aid convoy:
[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]
Already the lies begin. Keep a clear eye here, folks. The Arabs will try to bury the truth under an avalanche of lies.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:20:33pm |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
Already the lies begin. Keep a clear eye here, folks. The Arabs will try to bury the truth under an avalanche of lies.
You bet. I'm already thinking that.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:20:58pm |
re: #202 Gus 802
Thanks!
I know. Went over that in the previous thread before I took a nap.
They also get direct aid from the state of Israel.
This is going to be another screeching cry from the masses about hostile Israel. They were told to turn back, why didn't they? Will they print the amount of aid Israel gives Gaza or the reasons for the blockade?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:21:40pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:05pm |
re: #205 McSpiff
Nice silent ding on that last one Spare. And an especially good night to you!
Good night, newfie.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:38pm |
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swamprat Sun, May 30, 2010 9:22:54pm |
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Donna Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:46pm |
Well folks my battery's runnin low and I need to go recharge. Another busy day tomorrow planned and I need my beauty sleep so I'm going to say good night! I'll pop back in in a day or so. Until then my friends Keep Laughing and Be Well! :-)
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:24:57pm |
I was just thinking to myself the other day that these SOB's would try to provoke a boarding of their ship or ships by Israeli forces. There seemed a certain inevitability to the thing.
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Ojoe Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:15pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:19pm |
I hate these fucking Troofers!! WTF! (on NatGeo)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:20pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:25:32pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:26:48pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:07pm |
re: #214 Guanxi88
I was just thinking to myself the other day that these SOB's would try to provoke a boarding of their ship or ships by Israeli forces. There seemed a certain inevitability to the thing.
Not me, this took me by surprise. I figured they would work out a compromise with the Israelis to land at an Israeli port.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:09pm |
re: #217 Dark_Falcon
Is McSpiff rally from Newfoundland?
It's a myth, and demonstrably so - no one's from there, to the best of my knowledge; it's like Luxembourg in that regard; when you add in the fact that both places aren't in America at all, you see immediately that they're part of one vast, uninhabited waste.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:29pm |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:27:34pm |
re: #214 Guanxi88
I was just thinking to myself the other day that these SOB's would try to provoke a boarding of their ship or ships by Israeli forces. There seemed a certain inevitability to the thing.
Yes, indeed.
A little more from my link to put it in proper perspective:
Although Israel controls Gaza's borders, Hamas still succeeds in smuggling into the territory dozens of tons of standard explosives and other rocket building materials, scores of Grad rockets with ranges of 25 miles (40km), hundreds of mortar shells, dozens of anti-tank weapons and a stockpile of anti-aircraft missiles.
Israel is currently restricting the import of cement and other construction materials into Gaza because Hamas has used such supplies to construct military bunkers. During the Israel-Hamas ceasefire, June to December 2008, the head of the Israeli Security Agency (Shabak) Yuval Diskin told the Israeli cabinet that Hamas was using cement transferred into Gaza to construct military bunkers. During Operation Cast Lead, Israel's defensive operation aimed at halting rocket fire from Gaza, Israeli forces discovered numerous bunkers used as weapons depots and fighting positions.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:27pm |
re: #220 Spare O'Lake
Not me, this took me by surprise. I figured they would work out a compromise with the Israelis to land at an Israeli port.
Coming on top of the report of the israeli dolphin diesels off the iranian coast, and in conjunction with the quixotic (apologies to LVQ) proposal to ensure a nuke-free mideast by damning israel, it seemed events were aligned for just this sort of thing. Maximum damage to Israel's image.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:28:33pm |
re: #220 Spare O'Lake
Not me, this took me by surprise. I figured they would work out a compromise with the Israelis to land at an Israeli port.
They would, if the supplies were the issue instead of their Jew-Hate.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:29:43pm |
re: #198 Ojoe
Wow. What a restoration. Gary Levitz used to race one in the unlimited class. As a kid I went to all of the Mojave Air Races in our nearby desert. Great stuff.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:29:53pm |
re: #223 marjoriemoon
Speaking of cement, anyone recall that shipment of NORK "cement" that got blowed up real good in Syria not that long ago?
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:31:06pm |
That film is amazing. Was it shot in color or has it been colorized? The colors looks really natural.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:32:57pm |
re: #228 Alouette
That film is amazing. Was it shot in color or has it been colorized? The colors looks really natural.
mama don't take my kodachrome away.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:33:14pm |
re: #188 firstinla
And thanks for the great cactus flower pic the other day. Wonderful!
I promise to walk D_L through the Pages posting, so she can add her photography from time to time.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:34:35pm |
re: #227 Guanxi88
Speaking of cement, anyone recall that shipment of NORK "cement" that got blowed up real good in Syria not that long ago?
Ack. I think I missed that one!
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:34:45pm |
Well. That was fast:
Turkish protesters try to storm Israeli consulate
ANKARA, Turkey — Turkish police blocked dozens of stone-throwing protesters who tried to storm the Israeli Consulate in Istanbul over reports of an Israeli attack on at least one aid ship in international waters on Monday, news channels reported.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:36:06pm |
Well, here we go with the media mess...
2 killed.
10 killed.
Commandos descend.
Ship attacks.
3 killed.
Same video being looped on Turkish TV.
Then comes the psychological wording from RT...
Two are reported killed as Israel disrupts Gaza humanitarian effort
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:36:21pm |
re: #228 Alouette
I think (not sure) that would be kodachrome. The same process that sadly was dropped by Kodak recently. Chrome they tell me is a harsh process to develop the film. But the film lasts like nothing else. Truly archival.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:36:57pm |
re: #231 marjoriemoon
Ack. I think I missed that one!
it was back in '07, as I recall.
Here's a bit from Haaretz:
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Ronen Solomon, who searches information in the public domain for companies, told Haaretz he found references to a ship called Al Hamad on three different Web sites after the initial reports of the Israeli raid in Syria on September 6. These included the official sites of Syria's Tartous Port and the Egyptian Transportation Ministry.
Two of the three sites said the ship was flying a North Korean flag, and the third site reported it was flying a South Korean flag.
Haaretz confirmed Solomon's report.
Saturday, the Washington Post published an article citing an American Mideast expert, who said a shipment that arrived in Syria three days before the alleged Israel Air Forces strike was labeled as cement, but that Israel believed it carried nuclear equipment.
Following the Washington Post report, Solomon returned to the three sites, and discovered that all mentions of the North Korean flag on Al Hamad had been deleted, and that the ship's flag was now registered as 'unknown.'
The official site of Syria's Tartous Port, [Link: www.tartousport.com,...] had reported that Al Hamad, flying a North Korean flag and carrying cement, entered the port on September 3. Solomon stressed that several North Korean ships docked at Tartous during August.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:37:48pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:38:11pm |
re: #224 Guanxi88
Coming on top of the report of the israeli dolphin diesels off the iranian coast, and in conjunction with the quixotic (apologies to LVQ) proposal to ensure a nuke-free mideast by damning israel, it seemed events were aligned for just this sort of thing. Maximum damage to Israel's image.
I hope and pray that there were no Israeli casualties.
Erdogan the ugly Islamist anti-Semitic Turk seems to have been pulling the strings on this one.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:39:20pm |
I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?
No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:39:32pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:39:51pm |
Something I just scanned a few minutes ago (have not yet run OCR)
August 1852:
Palestine.—Various accounts we have seen, especially in the Sabbath Recorder, which reports the proceedings of a small colony of Seven-day Baptists, lately established at Artos, near Bethlehem Judah, state, that notwithstanding the deplorable state of lawlessness, which characterizes the administration of public affairs in the distant Turkish provinces, and in spite of the sufferings, to which all but Mussulmans are subjected, the country begins to improve, and especially Jaffa and Beiruth are arising as it were out of their ruins. If ever there were security for life and property, against the violence of Turks and Arabs, we should soon hear that poverty now so grievous, had given place to industry and affluence. The Jewish Gazette reports in a letter from Jerusalem, dated in March, that last autumn a Portuguese Jew, who was well acquainted with the language and customs of the Arabs, was for some years engaged in making a support for his family, by selling dry goods. Lately his lifeless body was found in a cistern; the supposed murderer has been arrested; and the reason assigned for this deed of horror is; that the murderer was indebted to the deceased, and he slew him because he demanded his money. It is argued hence, that if life is so little secure in Jerusalem, how can it be safe in the country. Still it is to be hoped that, with the increase of the commercial importance of Palestine, by the passage, through the southern part of it of large convoys of merchandise coming from India, as no doubt it will be before long when the Egyptian rail road is finished, there will also be greater security, and hence greater prosperity likewise. One thing is certain, that Palestine is capable of the highest improvement, if the people and means were only at hand, to undertake an active culture of the soil
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:40:00pm |
If anyone did get shot and died I'll wait for an official autopsy report.
These folks are the type that would shoot their own people for the propaganda.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:41:40pm |
Here's the BBC's story on the Gaza Flotilla. Sorry to use the Beeb, but CNN and Fox likely won't pick up the story till morning:
Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
The Israeli navy has stormed at least one of a convoy of ships carrying humanitarian aid to the Gaza strip, amid reports of casualties on board.
Organisers of the aid flotilla say 30 people were hurt in the confrontation. Israel has made no comment.
The interception reportedly took place in international waters, more than 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.
The ships are carrying 10,000 tonnes of aid to the Gaza Strip in an effort to break an Israeli blockade.
Turkish TV pictures taken on board the ship show Israeli soldiers fighting to control passengers.
Some reports suggest two people were killed in the clashes.
The footage showed a number of people, apparently injured, lying on the ground. The sound of gunshots could be heard. It is not clear whether the fighting is ongoing.
"Provocation'
The six-ship flotilla left international waters off the coast of Cyprus on Sunday and was expected to arrive in Gaza later on Monday.
Israel has said it would stop the boats, calling the campaign a "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".
An economic blockade was imposed by Israel after the Islamist movement Hamas took power in Gaza.
Israel says it allows about 15,000 tones of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week.
But the United Nations says this is less than a quarter of what is needed.
Hamas, a militant palestinian group that controls the Gaza strip, has fired thousands of rockets into Israel over the past decade.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:41:45pm |
re: #239 Stanley Sea
I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?
No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.
Why did they refuse to take packages and letters for Gilad Shalit?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:42:01pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
If anyone did get shot and died I'll wait for an official autopsy report.
These folks are the type that would shoot their own people for the propaganda.
bingo.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:09pm |
re: #238 Spare O'Lake
I hope and pray that there were no Israeli casualties.
Erdogan the ugly Islamist anti-Semitic Turk seems to have been pulling the strings on this one.
Aided and abetted by the usual suspects, of course.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:10pm |
re: #240 JasonA
Have they done that before?
Twitter? Never heard of such a thing. It's just not trending.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:23pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:32pm |
re: #239 Stanley Sea
I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?
No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.
Such "impressions" count for shit.
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 9:43:46pm |
Nice. Real nice.
I can only imagine the wonderful things we humans will invent in the next 50 years.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:44:15pm |
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:44:48pm |
re: #247 Gus 802
Twitter? Never heard of such a thing. It's just not trending.
Oh. I thought you were actually reporting something reputable instead of conspiracy theories. My mistake. :)
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:44:56pm |
re: #239 Stanley Sea
I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?
No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.
Sorry I was gonna respond to you there to tell you to come here! lol
I find this interesting...
Gilad Schalit's family and supporters asked the "activists" if they would visit their son, held in Gaza 4 years now, and bring aid to him as well. They promised to support their efforts to dock if they did. They promptly refused.
"We are disappointed that the organizers of the flotilla have refused to also provide basic humanitarian assistance to our son, who has been held in Gaza four years in contradiction of international law," said the Schalit family.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
This was no little boat. They are carrying around 750 activists, including diplomats and journalists, as well as about 10,000 tons of supplies. Israel has to check all of that, including those people for its own safety.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:45:28pm |
re: #253 JasonA
Oh. I thought you were actually reporting something reputable instead of conspiracy theories. My mistake. :)
Yeah. That's why I called it paranoia.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:45:42pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 30, 2010 9:47:11pm |
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 9:47:39pm |
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 9:48:19pm |
re: #237 Gus 802
...and that paranoia...
Just saw this...
Fine by me. Personally, I just use twitter to get financial advice from sigma_x.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:48:30pm |
re: #257 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, this could get ugly.
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to hitting my usual news sites when I wake up tomorrow.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:49:07pm |
re: #258 Racer X
- Cheered Hamas.
However man got killed Hamas will be unhappy that more didn't killed or injured. That was part of their intent anyway.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:49:14pm |
re: #259 Nimed
Fine by me. Personally, I just use twitter to get financial advice from sigma_x.
I almost spilled my frozen Skyy
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:49:34pm |
re: #259 Nimed
Fine by me. Personally, I just use twitter to get financial advice from sigma_x.
Well played.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:50:47pm |
re: #257 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, this could get ugly.
There is indeed an international campaign underway to delegitimize Israel. The US administration's response to this necessary security operation will be interesting.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:51:15pm |
NatGeo is running the special on Saddam in 9 minutes.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 9:51:23pm |
Good evening/morning folks! I can finally relax after a very busy weekend.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:02pm |
re: #244 Alouette
Why did they refuse to take packages and letters for Gilad Shalit?
Because to them he's just a Zionist oppressor getting what he deserves.
/no sarc
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:10pm |
re: #264 Spare O'Lake
Telling. Very telling.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:21pm |
re: #266 Mad Al-Jaffee
Good evening/morning folks! I can finally relax after a very busy weekend.
Oh I'm not sure this is the place for rest and relaxation tonight.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:52:45pm |
re: #264 Spare O'Lake
There is indeed an international campaign underway to delegitimize Israel. The US administration's response to this necessary security operation will be interesting.
let's ask Samantha Power.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 9:53:12pm |
re: #264 Spare O'Lake
There is indeed an international campaign underway to delegitimize Israel. The US administration's response to this necessary security operation will be interesting.
Obama will whine about the dead "civilians". He'll focus on the casualties and ignore that bigger picture.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 9:53:40pm |
re: #269 JasonA
Oh I'm not sure this is the place for rest and relaxation tonight.
Uh oh, what did I miss? I'm not scrolling back. Just checking in before some well deserved rest. But I will open up another bottle of cider and hang around a bit more.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 9:53:46pm |
re: #269 JasonA
Oh I'm not sure this is the place for rest and relaxation tonight.
You need a bigger joint.
//
(I don't smoke, but I know when I'm being ripped)
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 9:54:39pm |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:54:48pm |
re: #271 Dark_Falcon
Obama will whine about the dead "civilians". He'll focus on the casualties and ignore that bigger picture.
"Both sides must work together to..." etc., etc.
False moral equivalence if we're lucky.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:54:49pm |
re: #272 Mad Al-Jaffee
You missed lots of Israel discussion, among other little things. Even this thread got a little dark for a while there.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:23pm |
re: #274 Nimed
Different sources. The 2 dead number is coming from Al-Jazeera, 10 dead from a Turkish news channel (NTV).
The "Free Gaza" goofs are claiming two dead, as of about 20 minutes ago. nice group of folk they got on that cruise.
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freetoken Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:26pm |
re: #249 Spare O'Lake
Such "impressions" count for shit.
Quite the contrary. All through my life personally, and all that I've learned about the world, tells me that "impressions" are quite important. Indeed, the advertising industry is built upon it, as well as the world of celebrity and media.
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:59pm |
Question:
If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:55:59pm |
re: #274 Nimed
Different sources. The 2 dead number is coming from Al-Jazeera, 10 dead from a Turkish news channel (NTV).
Usually Haaretz reports the straight news (although their op-eds suck) and YNet is kind of a tabloid. But it looks like Haaretz is freaking hysterical and YNet and JPost are trying to stay rational.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:56:13pm |
re: #278 freetoken
Quite the contrary. All through my life personally, and all that I've learned about the world, tells me that "impressions" are quite important. Indeed, the advertising industry is built upon it, as well as the world of celebrity and media.
Madge the Manicurist says: "you're soaking in it now."
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 9:56:38pm |
re: #276 JasonA
You missed lots of Israel discussion, among other little things. Even this thread got a little dark for a while there.
Oh well. I hope none of my friends have flounced. Please tell me that none of my friends have flounced!
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:01pm |
re: #282 Mad Al-Jaffee
Oh well. I hope none of my friends have flounced. Please tell me that none of my friends have flounced!
You have friends?
//
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:06pm |
re: #279 Racer X
Question:
If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?
Answer:
Yes. If they went through the proper channels. The fact that they didn't is suspect on many levels.
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Stanghazi Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:06pm |
re: #271 Dark_Falcon
Obama will whine about the dead "civilians". He'll focus on the casualties and ignore that bigger picture.
Jesus Christo, don't go into the future minds of people PLEASE.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:12pm |
re: #279 Racer X
Question:
If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?
They are a bunch of attention queens who wanted a photo op. Also Israel offered them passage, but conditioned it on taking some of that "humanitarian relief" to Gilad Shalit.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:16pm |
re: #282 Mad Al-Jaffee
Oh well. I hope none of my friends have flounced. Please tell me that none of my friends have flounced!
No, no flounces. Not even anyone you don't like. :P
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:27pm |
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 9:57:58pm |
re: #284 marjoriemoon
Answer:
Yes. If they went through the proper channels. The fact that they didn't is suspect on many levels.
Exactly what I thought. This is a propaganda move pure and simple.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:21pm |
Is it even a good idea for our president to make any comment on this situation?
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:41pm |
re: #280 Alouette
Usually Haaretz reports the straight news (although their op-eds suck) and YNet is kind of a tabloid. But it looks like Haaretz is freaking hysterical and YNet and JPost are trying to stay rational.
Haaretz is more left which is more pro-Palestinian. Jpost is more Right, least has always been my thought on the two.
YNet is a tabloid? I never saw it that way. I guess their writing is more flamboyant, but still an excellent source.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 9:58:47pm |
re: #283 Guanxi88
You have friends?
//
Yeah, and I pay them well to keep them. That is, if you mean keeping them chained to a radiator in my basement as paying them, then I do.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:49pm |
Gaza activists: Between 4 and 14 dead on flotilla
By JPOST.COM STAFF
05/31/2010 07:57
Between 4 and 14 of the activists aboard the Gaza flotilla ships have been killed according to the action's organizers, reported Army Radio .
A number of Israeli soldiers that boarded the ships were injured according to the report.
There was an organized and planned action of attack against the soldiers by some of the activists, who were armed with knives, lead pipes and gas masks, according to the report.
Several Israeli hospitals are on high alert to absorb injured soldiers and activists that will be evacuated from the ships by helicopter.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:49pm |
re: #278 freetoken
Quite the contrary. All through my life personally, and all that I've learned about the world, tells me that "impressions" are quite important. Indeed, the advertising industry is built upon it, as well as the world of celebrity and media.
As I expect you are well aware, I was referring not to the undisputed value of propoganda, but rather to the blogger's attempt to peddle an "impression" as fact.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:53pm |
re: #292 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yeah, and I pay them well to keep them. That is, if you mean keeping them chained to a radiator in my basement as paying them, then I do.
Reminds me of Burroughs on Salvador Hassan O'Leary:
"Salvador Hassan O'Leary - Sal to his friends. he always kept a few friends around, paid by the hour."
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 9:59:56pm |
re: #287 JasonA
No, no flounces. Not even anyone you don't like. :P
That's good. But I still miss some who have left.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:00:30pm |
re: #286 Alouette
They are a bunch of attention queens who wanted a photo op. Also Israel offered them passage, but conditioned it on taking some of that "humanitarian relief" to Gilad Shalit.
It wasn't Israel that offered passage. Schalit's family said they would support them docking if they promised to send him aid, which they flat out refused. No help for the Jew.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:01:17pm |
re: #290 JasonA
Is it even a good idea for our president to make any comment on this situation?
Ohhh yes. And he's trying to build up better relations, so he'd better mention all the aid that Gaza gets. Or Hilary or someone.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:01:19pm |
re: #290 JasonA
Is it even a good idea for our president to make any comment on this situation?
Yes, he should denounce the Islamist provocation. He should remind the world press that the words of Islamists are not to be trusted. That's what he should say.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 30, 2010 10:02:04pm |
If I every meet the little bitch behind "Loose Change" I will hold him down and shave the little "Soul Patch" off his face. Then I will....
G'night all.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:02:20pm |
Free Gaza group now claims 10 killed ("murdered," in their language, with ships under tow to haifa.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:03:36pm |
re: #220 Spare O'Lake
Not me, this took me by surprise. I figured they would work out a compromise with the Israelis to land at an Israeli port.
Never have before. They ended up Lebanon last time, or the time before that. Assumed they'd turn back to Cyprus.
Anyone got any update on the reported deaths that does not go back to 'Turkish NTV reports'?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:41pm |
re: #293 Gus 802
Gaza activists: Between 4 and 14 dead on flotilla
By JPOST.COM STAFF
05/31/2010 07:57
Sounds like an outright lie. That does not sound like the things Israel would use for a boarding action. The USN certainly would not be so crude.
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:52pm |
When you launch that many rockets at Israel, and constantly claim you are at war (and hold prisoners), why the hell do you think Israel will let you waltz right in to a war zone with tons of "supplies"?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:54pm |
re: #237 Gus 802
...and that paranoia...
Just saw this...
Oh, yeah, they've been going on about that all evening. Everyone they know personally is twitting about it, so they can't believe it's not a major topic overall.
Nu, not my biggest concern right now.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 10:04:59pm |
When I was last logged on this morning I mentioned that I was going out for a nice Maryland eastern shore ride with my bike club. It was a good one, and I did 35 miles, the most I've done this year. I'm gonna be sore tomorrow but it was fun.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:02pm |
re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist
Never have before. They ended up Lebanon last time, or the time before that. Assumed they'd turn back to Cyprus.
Anyone got any update on the reported deaths that does not go back to 'Turkish NTV reports'?
Cyprus, btw, told Israel they will not accept them. It's in one of the links I posted.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:14pm |
Good morning.
What did I miss in the past couple of hours?
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:22pm |
re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist
Free Gaza claims their attorney in Haifa - hell of a resistance org, with legal representation in supposedly occupied territory - informs them that 10 are dead. That's it so far; whole things sounds like one news agency feeding off the reports of activists listening to the same news agencies as the rest of us.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:46pm |
re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist
Never have before. They ended up Lebanon last time, or the time before that. Assumed they'd turn back to Cyprus.
Anyone got any update on the reported deaths that does not go back to 'Turkish NTV reports'?
No, The Israelis haven't said anything yet.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:05:58pm |
re: #239 Stanley Sea
I was under the impression that this "flotilla" was more of a human rights based group (with misguided beliefs etc.) but not supported by any of the terrorist or leadership groups in Gaza or Iran, right?
No broad brushing - "you support them, so you are terrorists etc." We had this argument downstairs.
They are welcome guests of Hamas, since they provide free PR for them. They're not 'supported' by them, AFAIK, in the sense of getting any financial support, the relationship goes the other way.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:17pm |
re: #306 Mad Al-Jaffee
When I was last logged on this morning I mentioned that I was going out for a nice Maryland eastern shore ride with my bike club. It was a good one, and I did 35 miles, the most I've done this year. I'm gonna be sore tomorrow but it was fun.
Ahh, if I had a nickel for every time a woman told me that....
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:34pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
If anyone did get shot and died I'll wait for an official autopsy report.
These folks are the type that would shoot their own people for the propaganda.
I was watching live footage from a Turkish site after the reports of deaths started coming in, and did not see anything that seemed to indicate there had been injuries. Did see choppers and small military boats. So far I haven't seen any footage at all of the dead or injured, and there's a hell of a lot of streaming happening.
Waiting to see. I know what I want to have happened, but we'll wait and see.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:47pm |
re: #312 Guanxi88
...you'd still have $0.00.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 10:08:04pm |
re: #303 Dark_Falcon
Sounds like an outright lie. That does not sound like the things Israel would use for a boarding action. The USN certainly would not be so crude.
Are you referring to this?
There was an organized and planned action of attack against the soldiers by some of the activists, who were armed with knives, lead pipes and gas masks, according to the report.
That's what they're saying the activists, not the soldiers, were armed with in that article.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 10:08:15pm |
re: #312 Guanxi88
You would have two and a half cents.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 10:08:44pm |
re: #279 Racer X
Question:
If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?
Does the name of the operation, namely: "Free Gaza", provide a clue?
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 10:09:13pm |
re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist
I was watching live footage from a Turkish site after the reports of deaths started coming in, and did not see anything that seemed to indicate there had been injuries. Did see choppers and small military boats. So far I haven't seen any footage at all of the dead or injured, and there's a hell of a lot of streaming happening.
Waiting to see. I know what I want to have happened, but we'll wait and see.
Same here. The video was being looped. Didn't see any injuries except for some people being dragged down stairs and one blown out window. Then it was the same 3 "commandos" on what looked like the bow or the stern.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:09:16pm |
Clipped to me from Israel National News:
"The IDF searched the boats for arms immediately after the takeover. The soldiers were forced to use tear gas after they were attacked with knives and cudgels, putting their lives in danger. Unofficial reports that ten persons have been killed and another ten wounded were admitted to Rambam Hospital in Haifa were changed by the Arab television station Al Jazeera to two killed and four wounded. The IDF has not corroborated any numbers."
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:09:52pm |
re: #308 Varek Raith
Good morning.
What did I miss in the past couple of hours?
Islamists are in full smear mode. Apparently, the Israelis stopped the Gaza bound ships.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:10:23pm |
re: #259 Nimed
Fine by me. Personally, I just use twitter to get financial advice from sigma_x.
Eerily prescient advice?
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Varek Raith Sun, May 30, 2010 10:10:32pm |
re: #320 Dark_Falcon
Islamists are in full smear mode. Apparently, the Israelis stopped the Gaza bound ships.
Figures. PR Fleet Fail.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:11:43pm |
re: #275 Guanxi88
"Both sides must work together to..." etc., etc.
False moral equivalence if we're lucky.
Can we let the man actually say something before we start to condemn it?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:11:55pm |
re: #315 JasonA
That's what they're saying the activists, not the soldiers, were armed with in that article.
Thanks for clearing that up. In that case, I saw good on Israel for blasting those scum.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:04pm |
re: #279 Racer X
Question:
If these so-called "relief" organizations truly wanted to deliver aid to Gaza, couldn't they do it by going through Israel?
Israel offered to take the stuff through for them.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:05pm |
re: #323 Guanxi88
And people wonder why I drink thunderbird!
Arrrg, the laws of the internet be a harsh mistress!
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:30pm |
re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist
Can we let the man actually say something before we start to condemn it?
Why wait? This is much more fun.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:44pm |
Racer X:
More on humanitarian aid to Gaza through proper channels:
[Link: www.mfa.gov.il...]
At the Cabinet meeting of 22 March 2009, the Government of Israel instructed the bodies dealing with the matter to enable the entry - without restriction - of foodstuffs to the residents of Gaza from all relevant sources, after it has been verified that they are indeed foodstuffs, and this in the framework of the humanitarian efforts. The Government directed that the foregoing be scrupulously implemented.
Essential food products including meat, chicken and fish, grains and legumes, fresh vegetables, dairy products, oil, flour, salt and sugar, in addition to animal feed, hygiene products, clothing and medical supplies are among the goods that are regularly delivered to Gaza.
Note: Gas for domestic use (cooking and heating) is supplied according to Palestinian demand and is not subject to any limitation by Israel. After the fuel depot at Nahal Oz was repeatedly attacked by Palestinian terrorists from the Gaza Strip, it was forced to limit its operations. The Kerem Shalom crossing has since been adapted to the transfer of fuel. In addition, a new gas line with double the capacity to transfer gas was built.
So please tell me about the big ole bad Israelis.
It goes on to list how much aid Gaza has received monthly since 2009. I think I'm sending this to the Whitehouse.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 10:12:58pm |
If anyone can read Hebrew you might be able to find the IDF radio station here...
[Link: glz.co.il...]
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:17pm |
From SixPackTech:
Saturday Night Blue Collar Brew Review -
Erdinger Hefe-WeizenThe first sip was mild but flavorful. It was not too sweet nor wheaty but just enough to let you know you’ve got a weissbier in your hand. Light on the wheat, the liquid was light on the palate and that made it very easy to swallow. The remaining tastes reminded me that this would be a perfect summer quencher.
I was drilling down towards the bottom of the glass, all the time thinking about how this Erdinger would taste alongside a Hacker-Pschorr, my favorite so far. This beer would surely give it a run for its money. I’d venture to say that Erdinger was as tasty as it needed to be versus Hacker-Pschorr’s punch-in-tonsils flavor. The more I sipped the more I leaned towards this one. Mild, tasty, smooth, delicious. The head, however, may cause some impatient drinkers some heartache at the beginning. For the second bottleful, I opted for a bigger (22-oz. impatience) glass.
There were no malts, as such, to taste, no hops at the swallow. The wheat taste was just enough to give a sense of the flavor. It was just a nice laid-back easy drinker, perfect for any palate. I’d suspect that the ladies would like this one as well. The wheatiness of this beer, albeit present in full regalia, is somehow muted and blended into an almost perfect taste. This was a lemonade of beers without the lemon or any fruit whatsoever. Delicious. But not quite wheaty as one would like it.
This beer is a great wheat beer with nothing extra or special thrown in. Nicely sweet, a bit tangy and a lot of flavor. It’s a real treat for the taste buds. At 5.3% ABV, one could easily knock back the majority of the sixpack on a hot summer day.
Thanks Frank!
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:42pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:13:43pm |
re: #291 marjoriemoon
Haaretz is more left which is more pro-Palestinian. Jpost is more Right, least has always been my thought on the two.
YNet is a tabloid? I never saw it that way. I guess their writing is more flamboyant, but still an excellent source.
YNet is sort of popularized and a little goofy, but they get their reports from good sources.
Haaretz tends to the left, JPost to the right.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:14:10pm |
re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist
Clipped to me from Israel National News:
"The IDF searched the boats for arms immediately after the takeover. The soldiers were forced to use tear gas after they were attacked with knives and cudgels, putting their lives in danger. Unofficial reports that ten persons have been killed and another ten wounded were admitted to Rambam Hospital in Haifa were changed by the Arab television station Al Jazeera to two killed and four wounded. The IDF has not corroborated any numbers."
Well thank God Israel was there with hospitals for them!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:02pm |
re: #303 Dark_Falcon
Sounds like an outright lie. That does not sound like the things Israel would use for a boarding action. The USN certainly would not be so crude.
No, I think the activists were carrying the knives and pipes.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:35pm |
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:35pm |
Here's another report...
In Hebrew: [Link: glz.co.il...]
Translation: [Link: translate.google.com...]
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:36pm |
re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist
Can we let the man actually say something before we start to condemn it?
Fair comment.
The speculation, however, is based on past conduct.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:15:50pm |
re: #309 Guanxi88
Free Gaza claims their attorney in Haifa - hell of a resistance org, with legal representation in supposedly occupied territory - informs them that 10 are dead. That's it so far; whole things sounds like one news agency feeding off the reports of activists listening to the same news agencies as the rest of us.
Yeah, I suspect that the attorney in Haifa is reading the same newsfeed we are.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:16:52pm |
re: #310 Dark_Falcon
No, The Israelis haven't said anything yet.
My local activist org is trying to get through to a member in Ramat Gan to see if he has any info.
(Gotta love the global information village.)
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 10:16:57pm |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:17:47pm |
On a related note, one of the vessels in the convoy was the MV Rachel Corrie, which was itself a salvaged wreck of a freighter found off the irish coast in an earlier, more honorable incarnation.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, May 30, 2010 10:17:50pm |
Last night a very cute 23 year old girl asked us to play a song for her birthday. It wasn't Happy Birthday, it was A Real Mother For Ya, by Johnny Guitar Watson. A song we do! I was amazed that a 23 year old would even know about Johnny Guitar Watson. There's hope for some of these kids.
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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 30, 2010 10:19:09pm |
re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist
Can we let the man actually say something before we start to condemn it?
Why pretend that what he says might be acceptable?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:19:23pm |
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:19:54pm |
re: #343 Guanxi88
On a related note, one of the vessels in the convoy was the MV Rachel Corrie, which was itself a salvaged wreck of a freighter found off the irish coast in an earlier, more honorable incarnation.
For real??
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 10:20:04pm |
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 10:21:49pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:22:06pm |
re: #343 Guanxi88
On a related note, one of the vessels in the convoy was the MV
Rachel CorrieSaint Pancake, which was itself a salvaged wreck of a freighter found off the irish coast in an earlier, more honorable incarnation.
Fixed. Normally I wouldn't say that, but those assholes deserve it.
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Racer X Sun, May 30, 2010 10:22:31pm |
re: #348 Spare O'Lake
And assorted bloodthirsty civilians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Yes. The real objective of this little adventure was spilled blood.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:24:03pm |
re: #351 Racer X
Yes. The real objective of this little adventure was spilled blood.
Yep, Islamists wanted blood spilled, so they attacked. Aloha Snackbar!
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:24:27pm |
re: #347 marjoriemoon
For real??
Yep, bought at auction for 70K euros in march. She were the MV Linda, an 1800 ton freighter, with a crew of ukranian hearties abandoned by the ships master off the irish coast.
Photo here:
[Link: www.vesseltracker.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:25:42pm |
They still give 'Turkish media' as the source for the two killed, and add that a soldier was stabbed in the stomach and is 'moderately' injured.
Oh, and with a truly Israeli touch, there was apparently an MK on board. Hanin Zuabi from Balad.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 30, 2010 10:26:02pm |
re: #353 Guanxi88
Yep, bought at auction for 70K euros in march. She were the MV Linda, an 1800 ton freighter, with a crew of ukranian hearties abandoned by the ships master off the irish coast.
Photo here:
[Link: www.vesseltracker.com...]
Whoa, that's a bigger ship than I was expecting them to use.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:26:26pm |
re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist
They still give 'Turkish media' as the source for the two killed, and add that a soldier was stabbed in the stomach and is 'moderately' injured.
Oh, and with a truly Israeli touch, there was apparently an MK on board. Hanin Zuabi from Balad.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:26:47pm |
re: #355 Varek Raith
Whoa, that's a bigger ship than I was expecting them to use.
There were about 600 people on this adventure, they needed the room.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 30, 2010 10:27:18pm |
re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist
There were about 600 people on this adventure, they needed the room.
Damn!
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:27:30pm |
re: #355 Varek Raith
Whoa, that's a bigger ship than I was expecting them to use.
They're hauling, by their own claims, about 700 activists and such like, on a flotilla of six or so ships. No surprise at all that the ship'd be so large.
besides, the price was right. 70K euros for that thing? i'd pay twice that - if I had it - and gloat over the bargain all day long.
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:27:55pm |
re: #353 Guanxi88
Yep, bought at auction for 70K euros in march. She were the MV Linda, an 1800 ton freighter, with a crew of ukranian hearties abandoned by the ships master off the irish coast.
Photo here:
[Link: www.vesseltracker.com...]
Good grief.
I was listening to Jerusalem Online. The feed is very slow. It's not usually, but it has some footage of the boats. Also that Israel did agree to take the goods after they were inspected.
[Link: www.jerusalemonline.com...]
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:28:36pm |
re: #355 Varek Raith
Whoa, that's a bigger ship than I was expecting them to use.
If I had a nickel.....
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:10pm |
re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist
Looks like they left out the part where the IDF said that Israel would accept the manifest or supplies but would have to divert to another port.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:23pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:29:49pm |
re: #359 Guanxi88
They're hauling, by their own claims, about 700 activists and such like, on a flotilla of six or so ships. No surprise at all that the ship'd be so large.
besides, the price was right. 70K euros for that thing? i'd pay twice that - if I had it - and gloat over the bargain all day long.
It needed major repairs. A ship that grounds needs a drydock to be put back to rights and those are expensive.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:30:11pm |
re: #363 Varek Raith
Here, go away!
Image: keelNickelProof_obv.jpg
Woo hoo! My retirement fund FINALLY got matching!
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:31:41pm |
You people are keeping me up to late.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:32:01pm |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:32:07pm |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
It needed major repairs. A ship that grounds needs a drydock to be put back to rights and those are expensive.
Didn't run aground; ships master just abandoned it and the crew after they docked and off-loaded in ireland. A not-unheard-of maneuver from dirtbag captains; they made their money, and don't pay the crew, and devil take the hindmost.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 30, 2010 10:32:31pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:33:09pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:33:29pm |
re: #368 Guanxi88
Didn't run aground; ships master just abandoned it and the crew after they docked and off-loaded in Ireland. A not-unheard-of maneuver from dirtbag captains; they made their money, and don't pay the crew, and devil take the hindmost.
Someone like that should have his bank accounts frozen and their contents used to pay the crew.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:34:16pm |
re: #368 Guanxi88
Didn't run aground; ships master just abandoned it and the crew after they docked and off-loaded in ireland. A not-unheard-of maneuver from dirtbag captains; they made their money, and don't pay the crew, and devil take the hindmost.
We had one of those in the Gulf of mexico not that long ago; a pakistani crew on a freighter outta fuel, outta water, and outta luck. captain took the motor launch and left them, saying he was going to the port to make arrangements, and never came back.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:34:49pm |
Well, this lady has it all worked out:
Laura__Martin: PressTV: Activists on #flotilla taken to Haifa, where Israel has built a prison
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:34:59pm |
re: #371 Dark_Falcon
Someone like that should have his bank accounts frozen and their contents used to pay the crew.
Good luck tracking down and recovering from the Ukraine or Russia; better to just seize the ship and auction it off to pay the crew - which is what ended up happening.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 10:35:22pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:36:40pm |
re: #374 Guanxi88
Good luck tracking down and recovering from the Ukraine or Russia; better to just seize the ship and auction it off to pay the crew - which is what ended up happening.
Cool. Glad they got something.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:37:32pm |
sayedm: @khadijapatel Khallas, 16 shuhada and counting #Flotilla
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What, me worry? Sun, May 30, 2010 10:37:53pm |
It will wait until tomorrow. Gnight lizards.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:38:15pm |
re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, this lady has it all worked out:
Laura__Martin: PressTV: Activists on #flotilla taken to Haifa, where Israel has built a prison
After what they just pulled, prison is where they belong till the Israelis sort out who was involved in the attacks on IDF personnel. Those people should go up on charges.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:39:24pm |
lauradurkay: totally forgot I put food in microwave 20 minutes ago. distracted by murdering Israeli bastards. #flotilla
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:39:37pm |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:40:09pm |
re: #377 Dark_Falcon
Cool. Glad they got something.
Crew was owed something like 39K Euros in back-wages.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 10:40:32pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:41:21pm |
re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist
sayedm: @khadijapatel Khallas, 16 shuhada and counting #Flotilla
Shuhada = "martyrs", correct?
Also known as Good Terrorists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 30, 2010 10:41:45pm |
re: #386 Dark_Falcon
Shuhada = "martyrs", correct?
Also known as Good Terrorists.
Yes. I don't know what 'Khallas' is.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:41:57pm |
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42:13pm |
Al-Jazeera 2 min report from the ship:
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:44:20pm |
re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes. I don't know what 'Khallas' is.
Ah, "martyred" while attacking Israelis. SO their heros are men who bring knives to a gunfight.
Darwin Akbar!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:44:53pm |
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 10:45:48pm |
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Joo-LiZ Sun, May 30, 2010 10:47:58pm |
Sounds like Free Gaza got exactly the kind of PR/propaganda incident they were hoping for.
I'm unsurprised, but somewhat disappointed.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 10:48:13pm |
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:49:15pm |
There'd be something truly beautiful were the ships seized to be scrapped and used to make armor for israeli school buses, or bars for prisons.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:49:36pm |
re: #393 Guanxi88
Hooray for Pali-Wood.
"There's much seething there in Pali-Wood,
where any office-boy or young mechanic,
can start a panic,
by blowing himself to bits."
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 10:51:20pm |
re: #395 Joo-LiZ
Sounds like Free Gaza got exactly the kind of PR/propaganda incident they were hoping for.
I'm unsurprised, but somewhat disappointed.
The number of people fooled by these propaganda stunts is declining.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 10:52:11pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
If anyone did get shot and died I'll wait for an official autopsy report.
These folks are the type that would shoot their own people for the propaganda.
Spot on!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 30, 2010 10:52:19pm |
re: #366 marjoriemoon
You people are keeping me up to late.
Did you watch when Charles had the live feed of the Gaza bombings?
Mesmerizing.
Hours of little or no action, except for the Rooster crowing before dawn.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:54:59pm |
re: #401 Floral Giraffe
Hours of little or no action, except for the Rooster crowing before dawn.
Except for the call to prayer and the occasional explosion, the audio could have been recorded in my neighborhood.
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Gus Sun, May 30, 2010 10:55:02pm |
re: #400 Bagua
Spot on!
Was just looking at an AJ video. A lot of drama. Some of it looks kind of staged which is typical.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 10:56:35pm |
I've been reading bits and pieces suggesting that there were European MPs on some of the ships. None from any sources I'd be willing to bet the house on, though. Has anyone else heard this?
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:57:27pm |
re: #404 JasonA
I've been reading bits and pieces suggesting that there were European MPs on some of the ships. None from any sources I'd be willing to bet the house on, though. Has anyone else heard this?
The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:57:51pm |
re: #404 JasonA
I've been reading bits and pieces suggesting that there were European MPs on some of the ships. None from any sources I'd be willing to bet the house on, though. Has anyone else heard this?
From individual countries or MEPs?
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 10:58:38pm |
re: #405 Guanxi88
The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.
[Link: www.freegaza.org...]
Challenger I and Challenger II, they claim as American-flagged.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 10:59:14pm |
re: #404 JasonA
I've been reading bits and pieces suggesting that there were European MPs on some of the ships. None from any sources I'd be willing to bet the house on, though. Has anyone else heard this?
No. Can you post your not-so-reliable sources anyway? Also, do you mean from the European parliament or from national parliaments? If the latter, from which countries?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 10:59:38pm |
re: #405 Guanxi88
The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.
If any of them were American flagged, anyone on board should be tried for piracy. I think our flag gives jurisdiction.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 11:02:53pm |
re: #408 Nimed
No. Can you post your not-so-reliable sources anyway? Also, do you mean from the European parliament or from national parliaments? If the latter, from which countries?
They've got an Irish senator, 3 german MPs,
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:03:18pm |
re: #405 Guanxi88
The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.
The members of the European Parliament are known as MEP's.
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Guanxi88 Sun, May 30, 2010 11:04:06pm |
re: #411 Bagua
The members of the European Parliament are known as MEP's.
yeah, these jokers are MP's in their own nations, and not, so far as I can tell, MEP folk.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 11:04:27pm |
Khudari said the convoy, which is carrying hundreds of civilians and a handful of European MPs, would stop outside Gaza territorial waters before attempting to make landfall.
---
25 MPs from different countries will also be onboard.
A number of writers and MPs in addition to hundreds of human rights activists are also joining the 9-ship humanitarian aid flotilla.
25 MPs in total will be onboard the flotilla to Gaza including 1 MP from Kuwait, 10 from Algeria, 1 from Jordan, 3 from Yemen, 1 from Bahrain, 1 from Morocco, 2 from Egypt and 3 from Ireland.
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Others, too, but again, nothing from any source I'm willing to accept as fact. Another mentioned a German and Swedish MP. And then there are reports that Cyrpus denied some from joining the flotilla after it had left.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:05:26pm |
re: #410 Guanxi88
They've got an Irish senator, 3 german MPs,
What if Ireland and Germany doesn't want them back? This could turn into an asylum thing. They may be undocumented workers.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:07:49pm |
re: #412 Guanxi88
yeah, these jokers are MP's in their own nations, and not, so far as I can tell, MEP folk.
The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 30, 2010 11:10:11pm |
re: #415 Bagua
The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.
Quite Concur. And any MEP that took part in this vile scam should be expelled from the European Parliament. That of course, will not happen.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 11:18:52pm |
re: #415 Bagua
The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.
Sorry Bagua, but how would you know? I spent 1/3 of my life in a "European country", which is quite enough to know that there are good and MP, just like everywhere else.
In general, claims about Europe as a homogeneous whole are not that useful, even when it comes to foreign affairs.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 11:20:42pm |
re: #417 Nimed
Sorry Bagua, but how would you know? I spent 1/3 of my life in a "European country", which is quite enough to know that there are good and MP, just like everywhere else.
In general, claims about Europe as a homogeneous whole are not that useful, even when it comes to foreign affairs.
PIMF - good and bad MPs
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:25:20pm |
re: #417 Nimed
Sorry Bagua, but how would you know? I spent 1/3 of my life in a "European country", which is quite enough to know that there are good and MP, just like everywhere else.
In general, claims about Europe as a homogeneous whole are not that useful, even when it comes to foreign affairs.
Pulling rank? Lol, I doubt you've spent as many years in as many "European" countries as have I, nor followed as closely their political evolution.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 11:28:56pm |
re: #419 Bagua
Pulling rank? Lol, I doubt you've spent as many years in as many "European" countries as have I, nor followed as closely their political evolution.
Looks like you didn't learn that much from the time you spent there, or you wouldn't be making sweeping generalization about "European" MPs across 30+ nation states with very different political systems.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:36:24pm |
re: #420 Nimed
Looks like you didn't learn that much from the time you spent there, or you wouldn't be making sweeping generalization about "European" MPs across 30+ nation states with very different political systems.
Heh, you're making a sweeping generalisation and have not demonstrated to me that you are familiar with the subject at hand. For example, you say """European" MPs across 30+ nation states", yet there are only 27 nation states in the European Union.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 11:40:19pm |
re: #421 Bagua
Heh, you're making a sweeping generalisation and have not demonstrated to me that you are familiar with the subject at hand. For example, you say """European" MPs across 30+ nation states", yet there are only 27 nation states in the European Union.
Yes, because Europe!=European Union. European refers to the former, which, by the way, is something non-Europeans tend to forget more easily.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Sun, May 30, 2010 11:40:44pm |
re: #421 Bagua
I'm calling that one a foul. You didn't specify just EU Europeans countries at the start of this.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:48:03pm |
re: #423 JasonA
I'm calling that one a foul. You didn't specify just EU Europeans countries at the start of this.
Of course I did, you're just unfamiliar with the terminology, I said:
The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.
When one speaks of the "European" MPs and MEPs with derision it always alludes to the patsies in the European Union.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:51:10pm |
re: #422 Nimed
Yes, because Europe!=European Union. European refers to the former, which, by the way, is something non-Europeans tend to forget more easily.
Yes, just like America means the United States, not Canada and Mexico. There is such a thing as the European Union now, which nation states are you referring to? I'll let you know if I include them in the "soft as a grape" group.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 11:52:20pm |
re: #415 Bagua
The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important.
Can you read a bit of Spanish/Portuguese? Here's an example of a "soft grape":
[Link: aeiou.expresso.pt...]
A Portuguese MP went on a hunger strike to pass his proposals in the budget, my friend. I'm not really proud of it, but a soft grape he ain't.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:53:29pm |
(And one never speaks of the Dutch in polite company of course.)
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 11:56:13pm |
re: #424 Bagua
When one speaks of the "European" MPs and MEPs with derision it always alludes to the patsies in the European Union.
If you were referring to the MEP (members of the European Parliament, not European MPs), that's slightly more defensible. But it's weird, considering that the European MPs we were referring to in the thread were national MPs from European governments.
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Bagua Sun, May 30, 2010 11:57:05pm |
re: #426 Nimed
Can you read a bit of Spanish/Portuguese? Here's an example of a "soft grape":
[Link: aeiou.expresso.pt...]A Portuguese MP went on a hunger strike to pass his proposals in the budget, my friend. I'm not really proud of it, but a soft grape he ain't.
Good lord man, you are not going to pull the old exception fallacy? There are always individuals who show some integrity. Notice I said "the average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important."
I assume the clowns on board the boats are from that "average" group.
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Nimed Sun, May 30, 2010 11:58:44pm |
re: #425 Bagua
Yes, just like America means the United States, not Canada and Mexico. There is such a thing as the European Union now, which nation states are you referring to? I'll let you know if I include them in the "soft as a grape" group.
The more accurate correspondent would be between NAFTA and North America (which would be more accurate if there were North American countries which weren't part of NAFTA).
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 12:01:04am |
re: #429 Bagua
Good lord man, you are not going to pull the old exception fallacy? There are always individuals who show some integrity. Notice I said "the average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important."
I assume the clowns on board the boats are from that "average" group.
Dude, the claim
The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important
Is for you to demonstrate, not for me to refute. I gave you an extreme example. There are plenty of more moderate ones. Since you're the one talking about averages, please present any meaningful data that supports you claim.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 12:01:38am |
re: #428 Nimed
If you were referring to the MEP (members of the European Parliament, not European MPs), that's slightly more defensible. But it's weird, considering that the European MPs we were referring to in the thread were national MPs from European governments.
I responded to:
re: #405 Guanxi88
The Free gaza folk seem to claim they've got at least one European MP with them; they also claim the ships (or at least some of them) are American-flagged.
That assumes they are either MEPs or MPs from a member of the European Union.
What non EU member are you defending the honour of?
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 12:08:40am |
re: #432 Bagua
What non EU member are you defending the honour of?
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if, say, an MP of the Norwegian Socialist Left Party were on the flotilla.
Waiting for a convincing case on those soft grapes.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 12:08:51am |
re: #431 Nimed
Dude, the claim
The average "European" member of the political class is soft as a grape and entirely out of touch with what their constituents consider important
Is for you to demonstrate, not for me to refute. I gave you an extreme example. There are plenty of more moderate ones. Since you're the one talking about averages, please present any meaningful data that supports you claim.
The idiots floating towards Gaza are clearly "soft as a grape" QED.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 12:12:26am |
re: #434 Bagua
The idiots floating towards Gaza are clearly "soft as a grape" QED.
Well, ideally you would provide a testable definition of a soft grape. And why would the MPs on the flotilla represent the average of the national MPs of their own countries, let alone the other European countries who didn't elect them?
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Mon, May 31, 2010 12:13:36am |
I like my grapes a little soft, actually. Too firm is no good.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 12:15:12am |
re: #433 Nimed
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if, say, an MP of the Norwegian Socialist Left Party were on the flotilla.
Waiting for a convincing case on those soft grapes.
OK, good point, there are some soft grapes in the hold outs. You'll get no argument there.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 12:15:46am |
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 12:19:15am |
re: #435 Nimed
Well, ideally you would provide a testable definition of a soft grape. And why would the MPs on the flotilla represent the average of the national MPs of their own countries, let alone the other European countries who didn't elect them?
You want a testable definition of a soft grape? I'll have to consult my attorney for that.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 12:19:38am |
Jesus. 7 updates and 750 comments on the Kos diary about the flotilla incident. I'm going in...
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Mon, May 31, 2010 12:20:35am |
re: #440 Nimed
Jesus. 7 updates and 750 comments on the Kos diary about the flotilla incident. I'm going in...
It ain't pretty.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 12:21:33am |
re: #440 Nimed
Jesus. 7 updates and 750 comments on the Kos diary about the flotilla incident. I'm going in...
Don't forget to wear your hip waders!
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 12:37:12am |
Fairly typical comment (20+ / 0-):
The real crime is that Gaza is an open-air prison with many dead and many others suffering. This part is not news, however, if it turns out that Americans or Europeans have been killed, now that is a story...at least to be reported in Europe and the UK. May be briefly mentioned in the US and then promptly buried. One only need recall how former President Carter was viciously slandered and then minimized when he spoke out on the issue.
I invoke Teh non-Morrison Jim! Could you get a bit closer to the right-wing stereotype of a liberal, please?
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teleskiguy Mon, May 31, 2010 2:56:11am |
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