Video: Missionaries of Hate
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Here’s a must-see documentary on the American evangelists who are spreading murderous homophobic hatred in Africa.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 6:43:00pm |
I'm six minutes in and I'm starting to miss the Teabaggers.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 6:45:49pm |
re: #1 JasonA
Yeah, these are some pretty vile people.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 6:54:07pm |
I find it racist - the whole conversation that Americans came and told us to make this law.
Translation: We are more than capable of hating without the help of the white man!
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windsagio Mon, May 31, 2010 6:54:34pm |
re: #3 JasonA
Because nazis are evil, if nazis were gay, it means gays were evil, gettit?
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researchok Mon, May 31, 2010 6:54:41pm |
Whole lot of preachers would be imprisoned for life...
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 6:56:58pm |
re: #7 Ojoe
God loves everybody.
You'll never get into the Phelps clan if you keep talking like that.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 6:59:01pm |
It's like Hotel Rwanda again, only Teh Ghey instead of Tutsis.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 6:59:11pm |
And Philly and Chicago get into a fist throwing, knock the helmets off fight that harkens back to the old Broadstreet Bullies days.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 31, 2010 6:59:34pm |
re: #4 JasonA
Translation: We are more than capable of hating without the help of the white man!
The structures to kill outgroups has long been in place--the anti-gay campaign could easily run in tandem with traditional African witchcraft panics. There are a lot of dynamics going on because of the breakdown of old village political and religious systems.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 6:59:42pm |
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abolitionist Mon, May 31, 2010 7:01:57pm |
Anita Bryant was pretty good in Where The Boys Are. Subsequently, not so much. I'm reminded of Mark Antony's words, The evil men do lives after them..
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:02:03pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
Could you post that for us. Mandy?
Verse seven:
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
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researchok Mon, May 31, 2010 7:02:54pm |
This is really depressing, on so many levels.
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Ojoe Mon, May 31, 2010 7:03:32pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
John 8, verse 7
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:05:07pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:06:27pm |
re: #17 Decatur Deb
The structures to kill outgroups has long been in place--the anti-gay campaign could easily run in tandem with traditional African witchcraft panics. There are a lot of dynamics going on because of the breakdown of old village political and religious systems.
Interesting analogy to witchcraft. Very true.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:06:29pm |
Let's get the UN on this, instead of the backs of Israelis.
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Varek Raith Mon, May 31, 2010 7:07:24pm |
Why won't the Church excommunicate these people?
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 7:07:31pm |
An in a not so unexpected turn the international community essentially rewards this primitive nation by holding the ICC Review Conference in Kampala:
Uganda is scheduled to host the Review Conference of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) from 31st May to 11th June 2010. This meeting of exceptional international significance shall take place at Munyonyo Commonwealth Resort, Kampala.
A 10 day long conference where many attendants will stay at the luxury Munyonyo Commonwealth Resort.
Uganda is a Party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
Yes, these anti-homosexual laws have "drawn the ire of the international community." Apparently it hasn't drawn enough ire given that the ICC is meeting in this primitive nation.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 7:08:13pm |
I finally got to the bottom of the Israeli video thread and found that a troll had been slain. It was just a minor spewer, but it'll still make a nice evening snack. And what would a summer holiday be without a troll roast?
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researchok Mon, May 31, 2010 7:08:36pm |
re: #23 MandyManners
I quit watching.
I want to, but I won't.
This is important and I am my brothers keeper.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 7:09:24pm |
re: #26 MandyManners
Let's get the UN on this, instead of the backs of Israelis.
Apparently they're busy...
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Achilles Tang Mon, May 31, 2010 7:10:35pm |
"Everything not forbidden is compulsory."
These people live in a universe exclusively of the forbidden and the compulsory. Without imposed rules and enemies they think their lives are meaningless.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:11:00pm |
How much of this is projection?
After all, repression is 9/10ths of the flaw.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:11:03pm |
re: #32 PT Barnum
Evening everybody
Evening, wish we had something happier to talk about than just how angry/crazy us people can be...
Wait a minute, angry crazy....
I've got a segue! Who here watches the Nostalgia Critic?
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Achilles Tang Mon, May 31, 2010 7:11:55pm |
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:11:58pm |
re: #33 Naso Tang
"Everything not forbidden is compulsory."
These people live in a universe exclusively of the forbidden and the compulsory. Without imposed rules and enemies they think their lives are meaningless.
And they feel opressed because they're not being allowed to force the rest of us to live by their narrow, bigoted value system.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 31, 2010 7:12:08pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
I finally got to the bottom of the Israeli video thread and found that a troll had been slain. It was just a minor spewer, but it'll still make a nice evening snack. And what would a summer holiday be without a troll roast?
Peaceful... like I'm being right now...
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compound idaho Mon, May 31, 2010 7:12:28pm |
re: #20 MandyManners
Verse seven:
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
A mob forms for a stoning. Jesus proclaims "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her". A rock comes from the back of the crowd and hits the poor woman. The crowd gasps and parts. Jesus then is reported to have said "Damn it mom, sometimes you really piss me off"
Sorry if I have offended, but I think its funny.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:12:33pm |
re: #30 researchok
I want to, but I won't.
This is important and I am my brothers keeper.
Hatred is pretty much the same.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:12:34pm |
re: #35 jamesfirecat
Evening, wish we had something happier to talk about than just how angry/crazy us people can be...
Wait a minute, angry crazy...
I've got a segue! Who here watches the Nostalgia Critic?
I could post video of my last colonoscopy, but I think that is TMI, myself.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:13:42pm |
re: #39 compound idaho
A mob forms for a stoning. Jesus proclaims "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her". A rock comes from the back of the crowd and hits the poor woman. The crowd gasps and parts. Jesus then is reported to have said "Damn it mom, sometimes you really piss me off"
Sorry if I have offended, but I think its funny.
I love that joke!
Mom is a retired pastor, so I like to find the most irreverent jokes I can find, just to yank her chain.
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 31, 2010 7:13:46pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 31, 2010 7:14:16pm |
re: #41 PT Barnum
I could post video of my last colonoscopy, but I think that is TMI, myself.
I had a colonoscopy 4 years ago and a gastric scoping 2 years ago, I was thinking of making the whole thing into a 2 part series, "From One End to the Other."
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:14:18pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 7:14:22pm |
re: #33 Naso Tang
"Everything not forbidden is compulsory."
These people live in a universe exclusively of the forbidden and the compulsory. Without imposed rules and enemies they think their lives are meaningless.
Quite Concur. That's exactly how theocrats think.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 7:15:36pm |
re: #44 Renaissance_Man
Al Qaeda had a Chief Financial Officer? Shit...there's a business card I wouldn't drop in the 'free lunch' fish bowl at Applebee's (not that I'd go to Applebee's to save my life).
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:15:41pm |
re: #45 Walter L. Newton
I had a colonoscopy 4 years ago and a gastric scoping 2 years ago, I was thinking of making the whole thing into a 2 part series, "From One End to the Other."
I had both procedures done on the same day a while back.
The colonoscopy isn't that bad, cause they give you some really fun sedatives, but the prep is murder. HAving a follow up on Wednesday, so I have fun times to look forward to tomorrow.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 7:15:51pm |
re: #46 jamesfirecat
Naturally this is good news for John McCain...
And to you, too. Taking out these scumbags helps keep you safe.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:16:03pm |
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Tigger2005 Mon, May 31, 2010 7:16:33pm |
It turns my stomach to think that Americans are exporting shit like this. We are supposed to export things like freedom and Hollywood action pictures, not hatred.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:18:24pm |
re: #50 Dark_Falcon
And to you, too. Taking out these scumbags helps keep you safe.
I know I know, it's just you know that somehow somebody will find a way to be offended or upset with Obama for doing this....
Most likely because we killed him rather than captured him so we can't waterboard the hell out of the son of a bitch... find out what he knows.
Of course to be fair there are plenty of far leftists out there who don't like us being at war at all....
Come to think of it there are some far right isolationists who don't like us being at war either for that matter....
Crazy is everywhere!
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 7:18:42pm |
re: #52 Tigger2005
It turns my stomach to think that Americans are exporting shit like this. We are supposed to export things like freedom and Hollywood action pictures, not hatred.
Yeah, the Europeans and Aussies are pretty pissed about us exporting creationism to them.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 7:19:01pm |
I made my Grilled Chicken Wings (recipe is in the LGF cookbook) with extra jalapeno pepper. And that side dish of Gamy Buttocks provided by Charles two threads down just hit the spot.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:19:05pm |
re: #52 Tigger2005
It turns my stomach to think that Americans are exporting shit like this. We are supposed to export things like freedom and Hollywood action pictures, not hatred.
We also export the worlds most amusing way to learn the works of William Shakespeare back to the country he was from!
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researchok Mon, May 31, 2010 7:19:28pm |
re: #52 Tigger2005
It turns my stomach to think that Americans are exporting shit like this. We are supposed to export things like freedom and Hollywood action pictures, not hatred.
It's not just Americans and there is a willing audience. The preachers are adding fuel to a fire that has long been burning.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:19:56pm |
re: #48 darthstar
Al Qaeda had a Chief Financial Officer? Shit...there's a business card I wouldn't drop in the 'free lunch' fish bowl at Applebee's (not that I'd go to Applebee's to save my life).
hey, OT, caught up on the other thread - did you see any of the Stosur-Henin match?
Stosur can HIT that ball! That babe has muscles but i'd let her hit me too...
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:06pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Yeah, the Europeans and Aussies are pretty pissed about us exporting creationism to them.
And rightfully so! Wouldn't you like to send the creationists, elsewhere?
I sure would.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:07pm |
The new priest
A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he could hardly speak. After mass, he asked the monsignor how he had done. The monsignor replied,
"When I am worried about getting nervous on the pulpit, I put a glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to get nervous, I take a sip."
So the next Sunday, he took the monsignor's advice. At the beginning of the sermon, he got nervous and took a drink. He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon returning to his office, he found the following note on his door.
1) Sip the vodka, don't gulp.
2) There are 10 Commandments, not 12.
3) There are 12 Disciples, not 10.
4) Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
5) Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
6) We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J. C.
7) The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as Daddy, Junior, and Spook.
8) David slew Goliath, he did not kick the shit out him.
9) When David was hit by a rock and knocked off his donkey, don't say he was stoned off his ass.
10) We do not refer to the cross as the 'Big T'.
11) When Jesus broke the bread at the Last Supper, he said, "Take this and eat it, for it is my body." He did not say, "Eat me."
12) The Virgin Mary is not referred to as 'Mary with the Cherry'.
13) Recommended grace before a meal is not 'Rub-A-Dub-Dub, thanks for the grub, yeah God'.
14) Next Sunday there will be a taffy-pulling contest at St. Peter's, not a peter-pulling contest at St. Taffy's.
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:55pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Yeah, the Europeans and Aussies are pretty pissed about us exporting creationism to them.
I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons the last Prime Minister of Australia lost his election despite ten years of excellent economic management was that every time he visited the US he'd come back pushing some new Rovian wedge issue, like gay marriage, that nobody in Australia gave a damn about.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 7:21:37pm |
re: #21 researchok
This is really depressing, on so many levels.
Their whole view of Christianity seems to be a fight against homosexuality - they are ignoring everything else.
The narrator even describes it as the pastor's "crusade" against homosexuality -
This is awful.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:21:46pm |
re: #61 Renaissance_Man
I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons the last Prime Minister of Australia lost his election despite ten years of excellent economic management was that every time he visited the US he'd come back pushing some new Rovian wedge issue, like gay marriage, that nobody in Australia gave a damn about.
That's not an issue, THIS IS AN ISSUE!
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 31, 2010 7:22:06pm |
re: #58 Aceofwhat?
hey, OT, caught up on the other thread - did you see any of the Stosur-Henin match?
Stosur can HIT that ball! That babe has muscles but i'd let her hit me too...
I tried to catch some today but ESPN apparently felt that showing another Serena drubbing in straights would be better, curse them.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:22:11pm |
re: #61 Renaissance_Man
I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons the last Prime Minister of Australia lost his election despite ten years of excellent economic management was that every time he visited the US he'd come back pushing some new Rovian wedge issue, like gay marriage, that nobody in Australia gave a damn about.
Doesn't that speak to the Australian electorates good sense and the lack of any in the American electorate?
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:22:47pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Yeah, the Europeans and Aussies are pretty pissed about us exporting creationism to them.
Well, at least Turkey's is home-grown.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 7:22:47pm |
re: #62 reine.de.tout
Their whole view of Christianity seems to be a fight against homosexuality - they are ignoring everything else.
The narrator even describes it as the pastor's "crusade" against homosexuality -
This is awful.
What's the likelihood that this pastor is pimping a stable of rentboys for US evangelical tourists?
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 31, 2010 7:24:06pm |
re: #65 PT Barnum
Doesn't that speak to the Australian electorates good sense and the lack of any in the American electorate?
Whether they have better sense is a judgement call, but they are definitely better informed.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:24:08pm |
re: #61 Renaissance_Man
I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons the last Prime Minister of Australia lost his election despite ten years of excellent economic management was that every time he visited the US he'd come back pushing some new Rovian wedge issue, like gay marriage, that nobody in Australia gave a damn about.
Rove? You're blaming it on Rove?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:24:20pm |
re: #64 Renaissance_Man
I tried to catch some today but ESPN apparently felt that showing another Serena drubbing in straights would be better, curse them.
aw, you had to stick with it...they went to Stosur-Henin right after Williams-Peer.
Stosur's forehand was scary good, especially in the 2nd.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 7:24:54pm |
Okay, I'm really impressed with that woman for keeping her emotions in check throughout those interviews. I think I might have decked one or more of them.
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Racer X Mon, May 31, 2010 7:24:58pm |
What you do in your bedroom is none of my business. I really do not want to know.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:25:31pm |
re: #72 Racer X
What you do in your bedroom is none of my business. I really do not want to know.
As long as you don't disturb the horses,...
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 7:25:32pm |
re: #72 Racer X
What you do in your bedroom is none of my business. I really do not want to know.
Dey eat da poo-poo!
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:26:05pm |
re: #69 MandyManners
Rove? You're blaming it on Rove?
I think you should cool your guns Mandy. He said "Rovian Wedge Issue" if I say "The way my boss acts is downright Nixonian" am I blaiming the way my boss works on Nixon?
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:26:27pm |
re: #72 Racer X
What you do in your bedroom is none of my business. I really do not want to know.
But I brought slides!
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researchok Mon, May 31, 2010 7:26:32pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 7:26:45pm |
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 7:27:25pm |
re: #76 jamesfirecat
But I brought slides!
And I'm left wondering just how much gay porn that minister watches for "research."
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 31, 2010 7:27:29pm |
re: #70 Aceofwhat?
aw, you had to stick with it...they went to Stosur-Henin right after Williams-Peer.
Stosur's forehand was scary good, especially in the 2nd.
The winner from her and Serena has to be considered the favourite.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 7:27:50pm |
Long Johns:
The Bible says God will choose me if I choose Him; God knowing me before I know Him; and God creating me in His own image.I don't think my orientation is a mistake, because He knew me before I knew Him.
God loves us all.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:28:13pm |
re: #75 jamesfirecat
I think you should cool your guns Mandy. He said "Rovian Wedge Issue" if I say "The way my boss acts is downright Nixonian" am I blaiming the way my boss works on Nixon?
A Rovian Wedge issue was what probably happened to Karl all the time all through middle school and highschool...He got issued wedgies all the time, I'll bet.
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Varek Raith Mon, May 31, 2010 7:28:53pm |
re: #81 reine.de.tout
Long Johns:
God loves us all.
Not me!
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.
I took his Cadillac for a joyride once...
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 7:28:59pm |
re: #79 JasonA
And I'm left wondering just how much gay porn that minister watches for "research."
I'm reminded of the former (now banned) lizard who used to feature porno pictures at his/her/its blog, of "what really goes on" at "Gay Pride" events.
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Irenicum Mon, May 31, 2010 7:29:42pm |
This video is beyond sad. Words can't describe how I feel watching it. Awful, just awful.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 7:30:17pm |
re: #83 Varek Raith
Not me!
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I took his Cadillac for a joyride once...
heh.
He does though.
And made that Caddy just for you!
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:30:44pm |
re: #75 jamesfirecat
I think you should cool your guns Mandy. He said "Rovian Wedge Issue" if I say "The way my boss acts is downright Nixonian" am I blaiming the way my boss works on Nixon?
I think you should let the other Lizard speak for himself.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, May 31, 2010 7:30:48pm |
My favorite scene from Life of Brian
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Racer X Mon, May 31, 2010 7:31:06pm |
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 7:31:08pm |
re: #58 Aceofwhat?
hey, OT, caught up on the other thread - did you see any of the Stosur-Henin match?
Stosur can HIT that ball! That babe has muscles but i'd let her hit me too...
Did Henin win?
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Achilles Tang Mon, May 31, 2010 7:32:10pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:32:21pm |
re: #91 darthstar
Did Henin win?
Nope, Stosur in 3 sets! She was great...too bad she has to play Serena next. I love watching her forehand (i swear, that's what i'm watching;)
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researchok Mon, May 31, 2010 7:33:24pm |
re: #88 MandyManners
I think you should let the other Lizard speak for himself.
I just can't believe how easily someone can make a remark like that (the blaming Rove reference)- and consider it worthy.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:33:39pm |
re: #92 goddamnedfrank
An evil accountant?
[Video]
The kind who doesn't itemize your deductions carefully.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 7:34:07pm |
re: #95 researchok
I just can't believe how easily someone can make a remark like that (the blaming Rove reference)- and consider it worthy.
Didn't you get the memo? All Republicans are evil.
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What, me worry? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:34:33pm |
No guy ever offered me a laptop and iPod to sleep with him. Maybe I should become a lesbian?
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:35:22pm |
re: #98 marjoriemoon
No guy ever offered me a laptop and iPod to sleep with him. Maybe I should become a lesbian?
I'm sure you can find a guy willing to offer you a laptop and Ipod to sleep with another woman if you let him watch...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 7:35:26pm |
re: #97 MandyManners
Didn't you get the memo? All Republicans are evil.
I got that memo, but I circular filed it. ;)
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researchok Mon, May 31, 2010 7:36:04pm |
re: #97 MandyManners
Didn't you get the memo? All Republicans are evil.
Like I said, more to be depressed about.
You know, there are people who actually believe that.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 7:36:27pm |
No Roves were blamed in the creation of this thread.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 7:36:29pm |
re: #85 Dark_Falcon
Score now Hawks 2, Flyers 1.
Very exciting game so far. Both goalies have been amazing.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 31, 2010 7:36:33pm |
re: #97 MandyManners
Didn't you get the memo? All Republicans are evil.
Nah--there was always Millicent Fenwick.
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abolitionist Mon, May 31, 2010 7:38:27pm |
At the end, they seem to think Tiger Woods is a paragon of virtue?
/ But .. he's not christian
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What, me worry? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:38:28pm |
re: #99 jamesfirecat
I'm sure you can find a guy willing to offer you a laptop and Ipod to sleep with another woman if you let him watch...
I can always count on you, James, to solve the difficult issues lol I know. You're a giver.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:39:01pm |
re: #97 MandyManners
Didn't you get the memo? All Republicans are evil.
well, i'm trying, but do you know how hard it is to be evil 24/7? i'm exhausted...oppressing the homeless isn't easy...
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What, me worry? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:39:36pm |
Long John reminds me of the actor who played on Absolutely Fabulous. He was married to Edwina's daughter.
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Racer X Mon, May 31, 2010 7:39:48pm |
"The homosexual agenda is to defeat the marriage based society"
Really? Why demand the right to marry then?
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 31, 2010 7:40:01pm |
re: #105 abolitionist
At the end, they seem to think Tiger Woods is a paragon of virtue?
/ But .. he's not christian
As I heard it, they listed Obama, Tiger and Oprah as a liberalizing western influence--baddies.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:40:12pm |
re: #107 Aceofwhat?
well, i'm trying, but do you know how hard it is to be evil 24/7? i'm exhausted...oppressing the homeless isn't easy...
Yeah, I mean how do you even find them to oppress? I tried to look them up the phone book, but they don't have a number!
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abolitionist Mon, May 31, 2010 7:41:49pm |
re: #111 Decatur Deb
As I heard it, they listed Obama, Tiger and Oprah as a liberalizing western influence--baddies.
Ah. I missed the other names.
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Mich-again Mon, May 31, 2010 7:42:05pm |
re: #85 Dark_Falcon
Score now Hawks 2, Flyers 1.
Great game so far. NBC's HD video feed has been spotty at best here. About a dozen interruptions so far. jeesh
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 7:42:11pm |
re: #110 Racer X
"The homosexual agenda is to defeat the marriage based society"
Really? Why demand the right to marry then?
They're very clever.
///
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 31, 2010 7:42:34pm |
re: #107 Aceofwhat?
well, i'm trying, but do you know how hard it is to be evil 24/7? i'm exhausted...oppressing the homeless isn't easy...
Donate Venetian blinds to them.
Cause what they need more than your pity, is a bit of bloody privacy.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 31, 2010 7:42:50pm |
re: #112 jamesfirecat
Yeah, I mean how do you even find them to oppress? I tried to look them up the phone book, but they don't have a number!
That's because many tend to rely on cell phones--their only link to possible employment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 31, 2010 7:42:59pm |
re: #114 Mich-again
Sattv's fault. I'm sure of it.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 7:44:19pm |
After all of that "poop-poop" I think I need some brain bleach.
I think that Ugandan pastor might be secretly getting his rocks off with these sermons and accompanying "visual aids."
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Mich-again Mon, May 31, 2010 7:44:24pm |
re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You can miss 5 seconds of action in a baseball game and no one would notice. But not in hockey.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 7:46:07pm |
We finally made it into the mid 60's today and had about 4-5 hours of sunshine. Runner beans grew about 6 inches this afternoon. Potatoes grew about 4 inches. Lentils are sprouting. Tadpoles are getting fatter. We're still due for rain pretty much every day for the next week or so but it's warmed up enough that the plants are starting to grow. I might lose a few Pinot Noir vines but the tomatoes look like they might make it.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 7:46:48pm |
re: #121 Killgore Trout
We finally made it into the mid 60's today and had about 4-5 hours of sunshine. Runner beans grew about 6 inches this afternoon. Potatoes grew about 4 inches. Lentils are sprouting. Tadpoles are getting fatter. We're still due for rain pretty much every day for the next week or so but it's warmed up enough that the plants are starting to grow. I might lose a few Pinot Noir vines but the tomatoes look like they might make it.
How's the cat doing?
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What, me worry? Mon, May 31, 2010 7:47:28pm |
re: #119 Gus 802
After all of that "poop-poop" I think I need some brain bleach.
I think that Ugandan pastor might be secretly getting his rocks off with these sermons and accompanying "visual aids."
Especially when you see the disgust on the other men's faces and I'm not sure it was just at the picture. Some were laughing. Don't they think he's a nut?
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Racer X Mon, May 31, 2010 7:47:36pm |
Fuck. I can't watch any more of this asshole. He graphically discusses anal licking and fisting, THEN he asks the children to leave the room? Fucking asshole. God has a place set aside for you. Bring a hat.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 7:49:14pm |
re: #123 marjoriemoon
Especially when you see the disgust on the other men's faces and I'm not sure it was just at the picture. Some were laughing. Don't they think he's a nut?
I'm pretty sure they're all nuts.
Although at the end it was interesting that some people almost didn't raise their hand when she asked if they thought they should pass the bill. Perhaps a lot of peer pressure is at play here.
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abolitionist Mon, May 31, 2010 7:49:30pm |
re: #124 Racer X
Fuck. I can't watch any more of this asshole. He graphically discusses anal licking and fisting, THEN he asks the children to leave the room? Fucking asshole. God has a place set aside for you. Bring a hat.
So he can sit on it.
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Racer X Mon, May 31, 2010 7:49:40pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 7:50:03pm |
re: #124 Racer X
Fuck. I can't watch any more of this asshole. He graphically discusses anal licking and fisting, THEN he asks the children to leave the room? Fucking asshole. God has a place set aside for you. Bring a hat.
And a fan. It'll be warm where he's headed.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 7:50:49pm |
re: #122 Gus 802
How's the cat doing?
They're doing ok. Zoe the Kitten is still locked in solitary. Initially her reaction was worse but about 4 am Matilda, the older cat started yowling. She just wanted attention but she was really wound up most of the day. She slept a little bit this afternoon and seems to be doing better. I'm expecting fireworks displays going off tonight for Memorial Day so I think it's probably not a good idea to re-introduce them yet. I hoping that tomorrow afternoon they'll be recovered and calm enough to hang out together again.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 7:50:57pm |
re: #127 Racer X
Speaking of tha poo poo. . .
Shuttle's Toilet Requires Special Training
[Video]
2001: A Space Poo-Poo
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 7:52:27pm |
re: #124 Racer X
Fuck. I can't watch any more of this asshole. He graphically discusses anal licking and fisting, THEN he asks the children to leave the room? Fucking asshole. God has a place set aside for you. Bring a hat.
Is he going to get to meat the people who talk in theaters?
(Firefly joke)
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 7:52:44pm |
re: #127 Racer X
You really do manage to come across the most bizarre information, do you know that?
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 7:53:32pm |
re: #131 jamesfirecat
Is he going to get to meat the people who talk in theaters?
(Firefly joke)
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 7:53:40pm |
re: #131 jamesfirecat
Is he going to get to meat the people who talk in theaters?
(Firefly joke)
Meat? Was that intentional?
D'oh!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 7:57:06pm |
Blackhawks win, 2-1! They now lead the series 2-0 as the series heads to Philadelphia. Go Hawks, This Year is Next Year!
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Racer X Mon, May 31, 2010 7:59:14pm |
re: #132 JasonA
You really do manage to come across the most bizarre information, do you know that?
Yes. The internets are wonderful!
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abolitionist Mon, May 31, 2010 7:59:43pm |
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Ojoe Mon, May 31, 2010 8:01:04pm |
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:02:00pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:02:32pm |
Ugh...I just went over to HuffPo and read some of the comments in a couple of threads about the Gaza flotilla incedent. The anti-semitism is oozing over there.
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Querent Mon, May 31, 2010 8:03:31pm |
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prairiefire Mon, May 31, 2010 8:04:04pm |
This is a nice story about a winning soft ball team forfeiting a game to help their opponents lean the game both teams love:[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 8:05:57pm |
re: #142 NJDhockeyfan
Ugh...I just went over to HuffPo and read some of the comments in a couple of threads about the Gaza flotilla incedent. The anti-semitism is oozing over there.
Same with DKos. It's a good reminder for those of us who may have forgotten that lefties stink too. I read and link to lefty blogs more often because their reporting is far more accurate and honest than the wingnut blogs these days but I'm under no delusions about serious flaws that still exist on the left.
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Ojoe Mon, May 31, 2010 8:07:33pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
I'm under no delusions about serious flaws that still exist on the left.
Anyone wanting to see them, tune in to Amy Goodman on Pacifica Radio.
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Summer Seale Mon, May 31, 2010 8:07:45pm |
re: #142 NJDhockeyfan
Ugh...I just went over to HuffPo and read some of the comments in a couple of threads about the Gaza flotilla incedent. The anti-semitism is oozing over there.
I've been fighting a war on Twitter all evening. Somebody with lots of followers started writing things like "Death to Israel". I called her on it and she said she doesn't want Jews killed, just all Jews deported and she means for the nation of Israel to be abolished.
I then called her out on that as well and told her that this is called "Ethnic Cleansing" and is no better than the Nazi Final Solution. She didn't like that much and started flubbing about what she meant and then just shut me out, running away like a little coward.
She said she wants Jews deported, clearly and more than once, and I don't care how many people like her, that's fucking called Ethnic Cleansing. I told her a few others tried that: Hitler, Stalin, Milosevic, and the Hutus. She also didn't like that her ideas were compared to those people/events, but again...she didn't quite know what else to say.
Basically, we're dealing with morons who are ignorant assholes and generally don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Oh and she's a fan of Noam Finkelstein. You can look up my exchanges with her on twitter. I'm @summerseale
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 8:07:51pm |
BTW, Get ready for Obama's approval rating to take another hit when he fails to denounce Israel and he'll probably veto whatever the UN passes regarding the raid.
/Oil leaking in the gulf ain't helping things either.
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Summer Seale Mon, May 31, 2010 8:08:40pm |
I'm also about to go to bed. I think one person running away from the truth is enough accomplishment online for tonight. But just in case you haven't seen it yet, I made a poster that you can feel free to pass around:
[Link: summerseale.com...]
Night all. =)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 31, 2010 8:09:12pm |
re: #145 prairiefire
This is a nice story about a winning soft ball team forfeiting a game to help their opponents lean the game both teams love:[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
Y'all gotta read this... chicks seem to get the sportsmanship thing...
Well, not my wife. She beats me in Wii bowling (I mean stomps a mud-hole in my ass) and taunts me.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 8:09:33pm |
re: #147 Ojoe
Anyone wanting to see them, tune in to Amy Goodman on Pacifica Radio.
I was fascinated with her for a very long time. I couldn't figure out if she was crazy of stupid. Eventually I decided that she's just a leftist. Kinda like the anti-Instapundit.
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Varek Raith Mon, May 31, 2010 8:10:17pm |
re: #107 Aceofwhat?
well, i'm trying, but do you know how hard it is to be evil 24/7? i'm exhausted...oppressing the homeless isn't easy...
Henchmen, Ace, henchmen.
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prairiefire Mon, May 31, 2010 8:10:28pm |
re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Y'all gotta read this... chicks seem to get the sportsmanship thing...
Well, not my wife. She beats me in Wii bowling (I mean stomps a mud-hole in my ass) and taunts me.
Sometimes taunting is fun.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 8:10:37pm |
Let's see. IAEA is saying that Iran now has over 2 tons of enriched uranium which is enough for two atomic bombs and they're also missing "an apparatus that could be used to extract plutonium for an atomic bomb"
They're also reporting Syria as being uncooperative with their reactor.
Meanwhile, reports are out and Israel is reporting zero housing starts for 2010 on the West Bank.
Of course, we know what the "international community" will focus on.
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Ojoe Mon, May 31, 2010 8:11:08pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 8:11:23pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Same with DKos. It's a good reminder for those of us who may have forgotten that lefties stink too. I read and link to lefty blogs more often because their reporting is far more accurate and honest than the wingnut blogs these days but I'm under no delusions about serious flaws that still exist on the left.
I like to go to Haaretz for the latest Israel news but their op-eds are Teh Suck.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:11:33pm |
re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Y'all gotta read this... chicks seem to get the sportsmanship thing...
Well, not my wife. She beats me in Wii bowling (I mean stomps a mud-hole in my ass) and taunts me.
She makes you butthole look like this?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 31, 2010 8:14:17pm |
re: #159 JasonA
Not quite.
My wife sent me a text message a few days ago with her Wii bowling score on a picture. She is becoming insufferable.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 8:15:10pm |
re: #156 Ojoe
I don't think she's stupid. Sarah Palin and Dan Quale are stupid. She's not crazy. Pamela Geller and Debbie Schlussel are crazy. For some people (Andrew Sullivan, Instapundit, Amy Goodman) their ideology is used as a filter for the world around them. If reality doesn't math their world view they just filter it through their ideology until they can make sense of it. The results are often stupid and wrong but it's neither crazy or stupid.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:15:23pm |
re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not quite.
My wife sent me a text message a few days ago with her Wii bowling score on a picture. She is becoming insufferable.
Ah. My friends feel your pain while I kick their asses in Halo once a week.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:17:16pm |
re: #162 Killgore Trout
Speaking of Sully...
No, it was not a massacre. There was a fight. But the fact is the boat was in international waters, had committed no crime in Israeli waters, could have been kept away by a variety of other tactics, and was attacked by fully-armed commandos who ended up killing many unarmed civilians. To see Israel as the victim in this is so perverse it borders on unhinged.
What we have just seen is a microcosm of what's killing Israel.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:18:19pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
BTW, Get ready for Obama's approval rating to take another hit when he fails to denounce Israel and he'll probably veto whatever the UN passes regarding the raid.
/Oil leaking in the gulf ain't helping things either.
I doubt he'll take a hit in the polls from Americans if he doesn't denounce Israel. It's pretty obvious from the videos it was a set up.
He does, however have pretty low numbers on the Gulf oil crisis.
Zogby Interactive: Opinion of Government Response to Gulf Spill Plummets
Down to 16% approval.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 8:18:54pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
BTW, Get ready for Obama's approval rating to take another hit when he fails to denounce Israel and he'll probably veto whatever the UN passes regarding the raid.
/Oil leaking in the gulf ain't helping things either.
Really? I think it would be an approval boost if he doesn't denounce Israel.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 8:19:26pm |
re: #148 Summer
I've been fighting a war on Twitter all evening. Somebody with lots of followers started writing things like "Death to Israel". I called her on it and she said she doesn't want Jews killed, just all Jews deported and she means for the nation of Israel to be abolished.
I then called her out on that as well and told her that this is called "Ethnic Cleansing" and is no better than the Nazi Final Solution. She didn't like that much and started flubbing about what she meant and then just shut me out, running away like a little coward.
She said she wants Jews deported, clearly and more than once, and I don't care how many people like her, that's fucking called Ethnic Cleansing. I told her a few others tried that: Hitler, Stalin, Milosevic, and the Hutus. She also didn't like that her ideas were compared to those people/events, but again...she didn't quite know what else to say.
Basically, we're dealing with morons who are ignorant assholes and generally don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Oh and she's a fan of Noam Finkelstein. You can look up my exchanges with her on twitter. I'm @summerseale
Keep on 'em, Summer!
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 8:20:09pm |
re: #162 Killgore Trout
I don't think she's stupid. Sarah Palin and Dan Quale are stupid. She's not crazy. Pamela Geller and Debbie Schlussel are crazy. For some people (Andrew Sullivan, Instapundit, Amy Goodman) their ideology is used as a filter for the world around them. If reality doesn't math their world view they just filter it through their ideology until they can make sense of it. The results are often stupid and wrong but it's neither crazy or stupid.
Translation....
Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!
Mr. Praline: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
Mr. Praline: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Polly Parrot! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if you
show...
(owner hits the cage)
Owner: There, he moved!
Same kind of thinking just applied to a different setting...
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Ojoe Mon, May 31, 2010 8:20:37pm |
re: #162 Killgore Trout
Well stupid in the sense of not really wanting to see what is. Maybe call that a character flaw.
I think if she had real power she would do bad things.
BB Tamarrah.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:21:09pm |
re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not quite.
My wife sent me a text message a few days ago with her Wii bowling score on a picture. She is becoming insufferable.
Have you tried the 100 pin bowling on Wii?
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 8:21:13pm |
re: #164 JasonA
Speaking of Sully...
They keep repeating this same stupid meme that being in "international waters" means complete immunity.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 8:21:41pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Same with DKos. It's a good reminder for those of us who may have forgotten that lefties stink too. I read and link to lefty blogs more often because their reporting is far more accurate and honest than the wingnut blogs these days but I'm under no delusions about serious flaws that still exist on the left.
Don't remind me. Sometimes it's like encountering The Great Wall of Leftism™. You can't really argue or debate with them since they too adhere to a stringent orthodoxy. That's when you run into atheists that believe in astrology and aliens.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 8:21:48pm |
re: #165 NJDhockeyfan
I doubt he'll take a hit in the polls from Americans if he doesn't denounce Israel. It's pretty obvious from the videos it was a set up.
He does, however have pretty low numbers on the Gulf oil crisis.
Zogby Interactive: Opinion of Government Response to Gulf Spill Plummets
Down to 16% approval.
Can we get some numbers on what people WANT Obama to do rather than just knowing they don't like how our seaboard is being turned to sludge?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 8:21:48pm |
re: #164 JasonA
Speaking of Sully...
Andrew Sullivan proves once again that he is a shithead. Anyone who associates him with Charles after today, given their very different responses to this Islamist ambush, is a chowderhead.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:22:14pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 31, 2010 8:22:25pm |
re: #171 NJDhockeyfan
The practice thingy, where the pins increase? Yes.
I love the destruction of 91 pins.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 8:22:40pm |
re: #172 Alouette
They keep repeating this same stupid meme that being in "international waters" means complete immunity.
/////Homer Simpson: International waters the land that law forgot!
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:24:18pm |
Check out this pastor in Uganda. It would be side splittingly hilarious if it wasn't for the fact they want to execute the gays they are talking about.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:25:45pm |
re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The practice thingy, where the pins increase? Yes.
I love the destruction of 91 pins.
No, Wii Sports Resort has a 100 pin bowling game. It's fun as hell.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:26:34pm |
re: #172 Alouette
They keep repeating this same stupid meme that being in "international waters" means complete immunity.
Yeah, I'm totally opposed to Israel's actions here, but a lot of the rhetoric coming from left on the matter is baked in stupidity.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:27:20pm |
re: #179 Conservative Moonbat
Check out this pastor in Uganda. It would be side splittingly hilarious if it wasn't for the fact they want to execute the gays they are talking about.
[Video]
I'm surprised those 'so called' Christian pastors in Uganda are closer to the Islamists. They seem to have a lot in common.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 8:28:05pm |
re: #172 Alouette
They keep repeating this same stupid meme that being in "international waters" means complete immunity.
A lot of people don't understand the concept of a 'distant blockade'. I'm going to explain this a bit in minute, I need to get one of my books to help me explain.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:28:58pm |
re: #182 NJDhockeyfan
I'm surprised those 'so called' Christian pastors in Uganda aren't closer to the Islamists. They seem to have a lot in common.
PIMF
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 8:30:11pm |
A hop skip and jump into Huff Po swamps...
liberal-elite 0 minute ago (11:27 PM)
12 Fans
This should give us Americans a pause to see what AIPAC influence is really doing to our credibility. If we can't condemn this obvious act of piracy and terrorism by israel we are weakened.
Elevnety!111111
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 8:30:26pm |
re: #182 NJDhockeyfan
I'm surprised those 'so called' Christian pastors in Uganda are closer to the Islamists. They seem to have a lot in common.
They believe in Christian dogma and quote the Bible. They are Christianists. Radical Christians. I wish Holder had the guts to call them by their name.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 8:30:35pm |
re: #179 Conservative Moonbat
Check out this pastor in Uganda. It would be side splittingly hilarious if it wasn't for the fact they want to execute the gays they are talking about.
[Video]
Had to fast forward to the end to keep my dinner down.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:30:50pm |
re: #181 Conservative Moonbat
I think it was bad of them to do it outside of their waters because it adds fuel to the fire. Of course that's only because people are bringing a grudge into it in the first place. I don't think Israel did anything wrong, mind you. It's more of a political blunder, but that's only because they're held to higher standard. Don't interpret any of this as blaming Israel.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:31:15pm |
re: #182 NJDhockeyfan
I'm surprised those 'so called' Christian pastors in Uganda are closer to the Islamists. They seem to have a lot in common.
Did you watch the whole thing where it gets to the end and he asks the crowd "Is this what Obama wants to tell us is a human right?" or something like that?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 31, 2010 8:31:16pm |
re: #180 NJDhockeyfan
Oh, shit. We haven't even got there yet. Wife wants the workout thingy...
There's another one?
KKKKIIIRRRKKKK!
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:32:07pm |
re: #185 Gus 802
A hop skip and jump into Huff Po swamps...
Elevnety!111111
I swear, he was one step away from mentioning Soros and touching the far-right wing like matter and anti-matter.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:32:45pm |
Wow...check out this gigantic sink hole in Guatemala created by the tropical storm the other day.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 8:34:02pm |
re: #191 JasonA
I swear, he was one step away from mentioning Soros and touching the far-right wing like matter and anti-matter.
When that happens you get the infamous Moonbatwingnut Blackhole™
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:34:04pm |
re: #192 NJDhockeyfan
Wow...check out this gigantic sink hole in Guatemala created by the tropical storm the other day.
If you look really close you can see Rand Paul digging at the bottom of it...
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 31, 2010 8:34:18pm |
re: #164 JasonA
I'm surprised he didn't blame it on Palin's baby. The man's a douche.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:34:27pm |
re: #189 Conservative Moonbat
Did you watch the whole thing where it gets to the end and he asks the crowd "Is this what Obama wants to tell us is a human right?" or something like that?
I didn't watch the video. My internet can't handle that right now.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:34:51pm |
re: #188 JasonA
I think it was bad of them to do it outside of their waters because it adds fuel to the fire. Of course that's only because people are bringing a grudge into it in the first place. I don't think Israel did anything wrong, mind you. It's more of a political blunder, but that's only because they're held to higher standard. Don't interpret any of this as blaming Israel.
Well, I'm opposed to the blockade and the siege on Gaza in general, so my dislike of this particular action arises from all of that.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:35:47pm |
re: #197 Conservative Moonbat
Ah. I can't join you on that one. They made it clear that they could dock at another port and have the aid trucked in from there. It's a non-issue for me.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:38:59pm |
re: #198 JasonA
Ah. I can't join you on that one. They made it clear that they could dock at another port and have the aid trucked in from there. It's a non-issue for me.
1. They shouldn't have to.
2. They ban all industrial supplies and anything that can be used for rebuilding infrastructure or housing that was damaged in prior bombings.
They need more than food. They need concrete and steel and Israel won't let them have it.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:40:59pm |
The census is counting illegal immigrants as citizens.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 8:41:21pm |
re: #199 Conservative Moonbat
1. They shouldn't have to.
2. They ban all industrial supplies and anything that can be used for rebuilding infrastructure or housing that was damaged in prior bombings.
They need more than food. They need concrete and steel and Israel won't let them have it.
BECAUSE HAMAS WILL USE THE STEEL TO BUILD ROCKETS AND THE CONCRETE TO BUILD BUNKERS.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:41:35pm |
re: #199 Conservative Moonbat
They need concrete and steel and Israel won't let them have it.
They need to not elect known terrorists to a majority of their government.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:43:15pm |
re: #199 Conservative Moonbat
1. They shouldn't have to.
2. They ban all industrial supplies and anything that can be used for rebuilding infrastructure or housing that was damaged in prior bombings.
They need more than food. They need concrete and steel and Israel won't let them have it.
If they stopped firing rocket in to Israel and sending their bomb-strapped children in to kill Jews, they might get to join modern civilization. It's their choice.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 31, 2010 8:44:12pm |
re: #199 Conservative Moonbat
1. They shouldn't have to.
2. They ban all industrial supplies and anything that can be used for rebuilding infrastructure or housing that was damaged in prior bombings.
They need more than food. They need concrete and steel and Israel won't let them have it.
They were offered to be inspected & allowed though. They CHOSE to run the blockade. The consequences are theirs. ONLY theirs.
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abolitionist Mon, May 31, 2010 8:44:30pm |
re: #201 MandyManners
BECAUSE HAMAS WILL USE THE STEEL TO BUILD ROCKETS AND THE CONCRETE TO BUILD BUNKERS.
I thought they were using schools, daycare centers and hospitals as bunkers. Oh, nevermind. I guess they are running short on bunkers.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 8:45:30pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
BTW, Get ready for Obama's approval rating to take another hit when he fails to denounce Israel and he'll probably veto whatever the UN passes regarding the raid.
/Oil leaking in the gulf ain't helping things either.
You're probably right.
The oil ain't his fault, though.
Now, if adds to the region's employment and economic troubles by continuing with his plans for that 6-month moratorium - well, that WILL be his fault.
Gawd, I hope he lifts it.
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webevintage Mon, May 31, 2010 8:45:38pm |
I can't let go.
Some wonderfully obsessed person was kind enough to made a video comparing the beginning of LOST to the end.
Vincent being there at the end was the icing on my 6 year LOST cake.
What did I do this weekend?
I watched LOST (seasons 1 & 2 and then my favorites from 3, 4 and 5) and posted here.
All weekend.
Oh, I ate food the teen and hubby don't like.
I am now a happy wife and mom again and am beginning to miss them.
I will be very happy when they walk in the door.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:46:51pm |
re: #207 webevintage
I have never seen one episode of Lost.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:46:59pm |
re: #201 MandyManners
BECAUSE HAMAS WILL USE THE STEEL TO BUILD ROCKETS AND THE CONCRETE TO BUILD BUNKERS.
The ideal solution would be for international backers to pay Israeli contractors to build housing and infrastructure.
I think it takes more to build rockets than just steel btw and they wouldn't need bunkers if Israel would quit bombing them.
As long as Israel continues to take a hard line against Gaza, it's citizens are going to keep voting anti-Israeli governments into power.
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webevintage Mon, May 31, 2010 8:47:35pm |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
I have never seen one episode of Lost.
Then brother, you have not lived.....
;-)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 8:47:52pm |
The idea of a blockade is a key issue in understanding what happened when Israel boarded the Gaza Flotilla. Blockades can be dived into two types: close and distant. I'm going to talk a little bit about both to help explain what happened:
Close blockades are what we might call a 'classic blockade', with ships stationed close to the harbor entrance. That's how the Royal Navy kept the French fleet at Brest from going to sea during the Napoleonic Wars and its how the United States Navy kept the Confederacy from shipping out its cotton and importing weapons during the Civil War. However during the Civil War, on February 2nd 1864, the human muscle-propelled Confederate submarine CSS Hunley used an explosive charge to sink the USS Housatonic (though she was sunk herself in so doing). The Hunley's sortie spelled the death knell for the close blockade. Armed small craft pose a grave threat to any nation attempting close blockade. Added to the high cost of keeping ships at sea, this threat is why Israel does not maintain a close blockade. It's also why Israel did not want to try to simply stop the ships right near the harbor; To do so would have exposed them to attack by the small craft Hamas planned to send out to meet the flotilla.
More on distant blockades in a bit.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 8:48:08pm |
re: #202 JasonA
They need to not elect known terrorists to a majority of their government.
Less than 50% of Palestinians voted for Hamas in the 2006 elections, so I have some problems with the "Fuck'em all" thing. I'm not saying there's an easy solution, though.
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jaunte Mon, May 31, 2010 8:49:03pm |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
I haven't either. I'll wait for the Walter L. Newton stage version.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:50:44pm |
Here are some of the things Israel is trying to keep out of Gaza:
“sage, cardamom, cumin, coriander, ginger, jam, halva, vinegar, nutmeg, chocolate, fruit preserves, seeds and nuts, biscuits and sweets, potato chips, gas for soft drinks, dried fruit, fresh meat, plaster, tar, wood for construction, cement, iron, glucose, industrial salt, plastic/glass/metal containers, industrial margarine, tarpaulin, sheets for huts, fabric (for clothing), flavor and smell enhancers, fishing rods, various fishing nets, buoys, ropes for fishing, nylon nets for greenhouses, hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries, spare parts for tractors, dairies for cowsheds, irrigation pipe systems, ropes to tie greenhouses planters for saplings, heaters for chicken farms, musical instruments, size A4 paper, writing implements, notebooks, newspapers, toys, razors, sewing machines and spare parts, heaters, horses, donkeys, goats, cattle, and chicks”
[Link: blogs.alternet.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 8:51:23pm |
re: #209 Conservative Moonbat
The ideal solution would be for international backers to pay Israeli contractors to build housing and infrastructure.
I think it takes more to build rockets than just steel btw and they wouldn't need bunkers if Israel would quit bombing them.As long as Israel continues to take a hard line against Gaza, it's citizens are going to keep voting anti-Israeli governments into power.
If Israel tried that, whoever was sent into Gaza would be under constant attack by Hamas, due the intense hate Hamas has for anything Israeli.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 8:51:58pm |
re: #185 Gus 802
A hop skip and jump into Huff Po swamps...
Elevnety!111111
Here's one that makes my brain hurt:
After a bunch of insane screeching anti-Semitic diatribes, including a claim that the IDF videos are "fake" the moonbat says "Never forget Anne Frank. Never." I guess that must mean "Never forget that we hunted her down and killed her."
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 8:52:21pm |
re: #212 Nimed
Less than 50% of Palestinians voted for Hamas in the 2006 elections, so I have some problems with the "Fuck'em all" thing. I'm not saying there's an easy solution, though.
Who's in power is more important than how many voted for them. And it's not exactly a "fuck 'em all" sentiment I'm going with here. Israel gave the flotilla other options. I totally understand why they don't want to allow uninspected ships access to Gaza.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 31, 2010 8:53:55pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
nylon nets for greenhouses
I really don't know much about what's going on over there... but I do seem to remember Palistinians tearing down a perfectly greenhouses.
Am I mis-remembering? Wasn't there a "greenhouse swarm"?
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 8:53:59pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
Here are some of the things Israel is trying to keep out of Gaza:
[Link: blogs.alternet.org...]
////
(Sorry its what came to mind)
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jaunte Mon, May 31, 2010 8:54:15pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
From your link:
According to longtime Mideast observer and specialist Juan Cole, there are two likely reasons for the violent incident aboard the Mavi Marmara were:“One is that the Israeli troops boarding the vessels met some sort of resistance and over-reacted. Aid volunteers are unlikely, however, to have posed much real challenge to trained special forces operatives.
Anyone seeing the video of the shipboard swarm beating the Israeli commandos is not going to buy that explanation.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:54:26pm |
re: #217 JasonA
Who's in power is more important than how many voted for them. And it's not exactly a "fuck 'em all" sentiment I'm going with here. Israel gave the flotilla other options. I totally understand why they don't want to allow uninspected ships access to Gaza.
I do too, but WTF is the problem with cumin, cardamom, notebooks, and jam?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 8:54:28pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
Here are some of the things Israel is trying to keep out of Gaza:
[Link: blogs.alternet.org...]
From that same article:
Last night 15 peace activists were killed and dozens wounded as Israeli forces attacked an unarmed humanitarian aid convoy in international waters off the Gaza Strip coast. Al Jazeera puts the death toll at nineteen, and some accounts report sixty wounded. Among the civilians aboard the six-ship convey carrying 10,000 tons of aid, including wheelchairs, bound for Gaza were an 85 year old Holocaust survivor, European legislators, and a Nobel Peace prize recipient.
It also has the word "massacred" in its URL. Its a moonbat article and is dismissed by me accordingly.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 8:55:14pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
sage, cardamom, cumin, coriander, ginger, jam, halva, vinegar, nutmeg, chocolate, fruit preserves, seeds and nuts, biscuits and sweets, potato chips, gas for soft drinks, dried fruit, fresh meat
That is complete bullshit because the markets are overflowing with all kinds of food. The other items could, and no doubt have already been used by Hamas to construct weapons.
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jaunte Mon, May 31, 2010 8:55:25pm |
re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If anyone could do it, I think it's Walter.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:55:43pm |
re: #209 Conservative Moonbat
The ideal solution would be for international backers to pay Israeli contractors to build housing and infrastructure.
What would the Palis do with new buildings? I seem to recall some nice news greenhouses donated to them. How did that work out?
I think it takes more to build rockets than just steel btw and they wouldn't need bunkers if Israel would quit bombing them.
Israel wouldn't need to bomb Gaza if the terrorists would stop shooting rockets in to Israel.
As long as Israel continues to take a hard line against Gaza, it's citizens are going to keep voting anti-Israeli governments into power.
The brainwashing of hate from cradle to grave has nothing to do with it, does it?
"We love death more than they love life." is their motto, isn't it?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 31, 2010 8:55:55pm |
re: #221 Conservative Moonbat
Jam can be used as a weapon. Didn't you see "Spaceballs"?
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 8:56:26pm |
re: #221 Conservative Moonbat
I do too, but WTF is the problem with cumin, cardamom, notebooks, and jam?
There is no problem with cumin, cardamom, notebooks and jam, and these items are all available in Gaza markets.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 8:56:48pm |
re: #219 jamesfirecat
It's at that level of absurdity, yes.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 8:57:13pm |
re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jam can be used as a weapon. Didn't you see "Spaceballs"?
Raspberry, there's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry..... LONESTAR!!!!
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 8:58:21pm |
re: #217 JasonA
Who's in power is more important than how many voted for them. And it's not exactly a "fuck 'em all" sentiment I'm going with here. Israel gave the flotilla other options. I totally understand why they don't want to allow uninspected ships access to Gaza.
I agree. Sorry, I wasn't making a specific accusation. It just bothers me that Hamas is so often equated with all Gazans. But it's inevitable, I guess.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 8:58:24pm |
re: #224 Alouette
That is complete bullshit because the markets are overflowing with all kinds of food. The other items could, and no doubt have already been used by Hamas to construct weapons.
From a caption under the photos of the fully stocked shelves:
Secret guidelines are used to differentiate between humanitarian necessities and nonessential luxuries,
And then I guess your comment - "what are these secret guidelines and how did the Associated Press find out about them?".
LOL.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 8:59:00pm |
re: #216 Alouette
Here's one that makes my brain hurt:
After a bunch of insane screeching anti-Semitic diatribes, including a claim that the IDF videos are "fake" the moonbat says "Never forget Anne Frank. Never." I guess that must mean "Never forget that we hunted her down and killed her."
That's part of their line of defense. We've heard it all before. They'll claim that the IDF is lying, faking videos, controlling the Israeli media and such. A lot of these people are also Jihad sympathizers and come from the blame America or Israel first crowd. Bringing up Anne Frank is an obvious Godwin maneuver.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 8:59:12pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
Here are some of the things Israel is trying to keep out of Gaza:
[Link: blogs.alternet.org...]
Nice Pali propaganda you're posting here. Got any more?
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jaunte Mon, May 31, 2010 8:59:36pm |
cumin, cardamom, notebooks and jam
Sounds like A Christopher Guest parody of Simon and Garfunkel.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 9:00:16pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 31, 2010 9:00:54pm |
re: #221 Conservative Moonbat
I do too, but WTF is the problem with cumin, cardamom, notebooks, and jam?
Because Israel say they are Eevil. And must be banned.
////
Dude, get a grip, please?
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webevintage Mon, May 31, 2010 9:01:03pm |
re: #234 Gus 802
That's part of their line of defense. We've heard it all before. They'll claim that the IDF is lying, faking videos, controlling the Israeli media and such. A lot of these people are also Jihad sympathizers and come from the blame America or Israel first crowd. Bringing up Anne Frank is an obvious Godwin maneuver.
I've already read many comments at various places saying the videos are edited or fake and that any weapons found were placed there by the IDF.
If weapons are found on any of those ships mixed in with the food and such there will be cries that those were planted too.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:01:56pm |
re: #232 Nimed
I agree. Sorry, I wasn't making a specific accusation. It just bothers me that Hamas is so often equated with all Gazans. But it's inevitable, I guess.
The problem is that so many Gazans act in support of Hamas. Moreover, almost all Gazans express rabid hatred of Israel and show no willingness to cease violent attacks to obtain a lightening of import restrictions.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:02:04pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
Here are some of the things Israel is trying to keep out of Gaza:
[Link: blogs.alternet.org...]
Read this:
As I stated in the Chamber in December 2008, when we were confronted by a similar situation, mechanisms exist for the transfer of humanitarian assistance to Gaza by member states and groups that want to do so. These non-provocative and non-confrontational mechanisms should be the ones used for the benefit of all those in Gaza. Direct delivery by sea is neither appropriate nor responsible, and certainly not effective, under the circumstances.
From Remarks by Ambassador Alejandro Wolff, Deputy Permanent U.S.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 31, 2010 9:03:24pm |
I miss the Gaza Rooster.
*sniff*
Yet, I DO hope we don't get back to that war.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:04:31pm |
re: #244 Floral Giraffe
I miss the Gaza Rooster.
*sniff*
Yet, I DO hope we don't get back to that war.
Quite Concur.
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jaunte Mon, May 31, 2010 9:05:02pm |
Some good news for the day: My son in law has returned safely to New Mexico this evening, from half a year's TDY as an MP in Qatar.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:05:04pm |
re: #206 reine.de.tout
You're probably right.
The oil ain't his fault, though.Now, if adds to the region's employment and economic troubles by continuing with his plans for that 6-month moratorium - well, that WILL be his fault.
Gawd, I hope he lifts it.
It will be devastating. But how does he reverse his "leadership" now?
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:06:16pm |
re: #209 Conservative Moonbat
The ideal solution would be for international backers to pay Israeli contractors to build housing and infrastructure.
I think it takes more to build rockets than just steel btw and they wouldn't need bunkers if Israel would quit bombing them.
As long as Israel continues to take a hard line against Gaza, it's citizens are going to keep voting anti-Israeli governments into power.
ISRAEL WOULD QUIT DEFENDING ITSELF IF HAMAS WOULD QUIT SENDING ROCKETS INTO CIVILIAN AREAS.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:06:29pm |
re: #246 jaunte
Some good news for the day: My son in law has returned safely to New Mexico this evening, from half a year's TDY as an MP in Qatar.
Glad to hear it!
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:06:43pm |
re: #239 webevintage
I've already read many comments at various places saying the videos are edited or fake and that any weapons found were placed there by the IDF.
If weapons are found on any of those ships mixed in with the food and such there will be cries that those were planted too.
Yeah, edited. The infrared video shows it rather clearly. Something like that would be near impossible to edit. But the video that they even took shows them attacking the boarding party. There other defense is "oh it was just knives and sticks." They should try this experiment. It's pretty simple. Lunge at a cop with a stick and see what he does. Basically, the IDF were the cops in this situation. These morons don't even have street smarts.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 9:07:00pm |
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 9:07:02pm |
well, here's the gisha.org page dealing with what is and is not allowed in:
[Link: gisha.org...]
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:08:04pm |
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:08:36pm |
re: #253 Conservative Moonbat
well, here's the gisha.org page dealing with what is and is not allowed in:
[Link: gisha.org...]
Do you have any non moonbat sites to link to?
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:08:43pm |
re: #238 Floral Giraffe
Because Israel say they are Eevil. And must be banned.
///
Dude, get a grip, please?
The headline of the story where that list is posted is this completely non-judgmental sentence:
Why Did Israel Attack the Gaza Flotilla?
Among the items in that list:
nylon nets for greenhouses . . . ropes to tie greenhouses planters for saplings
Let's take a look at those greenhouses, shall we?
And if that link isn't considered credible, here's MSNBC's report on the Gaza greenhouses.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:09:27pm |
We must not accept the Israeli food shipments!
They are poisoned!
Eleventy!1111!!!
//
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:09:30pm |
re: #246 jaunte
Some good news for the day: My son in law has returned safely to New Mexico this evening, from half a year's TDY as an MP in Qatar.
Great news!
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:10:29pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
And here are some other things that Israel is trying to keep out of Gaza, and which Hamas persists in smuggling in via underground tunnels, among other methods....
explosive vests, pipe bombs, grenades, and automatic weapons.
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SpaceJesus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:10:48pm |
i posted this in my lgf page a few days ago. sick shit.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:11:24pm |
re: #257 Gus 802
They might even have used genetically modified corn./
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:11:37pm |
re: #247 Bagua
It will be devastating. But how does he reverse his "leadership" now?
I don't know.
All I know is that there is no good reason to shut down what's going on out there now, and no reason to stop new permits. None.
No other company would have ignored he warning signs and made the devastatingly wrong decisions BP made. And they for sure wouldn't do it now.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:12:08pm |
re: #256 reine.de.tout
Let's take a look at those greenhouses, shall we?And if that link isn't considered credible, here's MSNBC's report on the Gaza greenhouses.
14 million dollars down the drain.
And how many billions has poured into Gaza and the Pal territories over the years. Gone, vanished.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:12:34pm |
re: #251 Gus 802
A lot of usually smart people have suddenly forgotten that lead pipes and knives are pretty damn dangerous weapons in close quarters.
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The Shadow Do Mon, May 31, 2010 9:12:34pm |
Only 47% of Gazans voted Hamas. 46% for Fatah - much better! Israel should work to develop the moderate middle, you know, the peaceful 7%.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:13:38pm |
The history of LGF is replete with the story of how Hamas has behaved since they shoved other Jordyptians off roofs.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 9:14:13pm |
re: #265 The Shadow Do
Only 47% of Gazans voted Hamas. 46% for Fatah - much better! Israel should work to develop the moderate middle, you know, the peaceful 7%.
Those other 7% could be for Al Qaeda.
Just sayin'
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The Shadow Do Mon, May 31, 2010 9:14:40pm |
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:15:11pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that so many Gazans act in support of Hamas. Moreover, almost all Gazans express rabid hatred of Israel and show no willingness to cease violent attacks to obtain a lightening of import restrictions.
This is one year old, so it may not reflect the opinions of Gazans today:
[Link: www.ynet.co.il...]
Poll: Gaza war boosts Hamas support
Ironically Thursday's poll found that Hamas has stronger support in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, still administered by Abbas, than it does in its own Gaza bastion.
In Gaza, the poll put Hamas at 28 percent against 33.6 percent for Abbas' Fatah. In the West Bank, the poll gave Hamas 29 percent support against 24.5 percent for its rival.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:15:12pm |
re: #256 reine.de.tout
Let's take a look at those greenhouses, shall we?And if that link isn't considered credible, here's MSNBC's report on the Gaza greenhouses.
This is why they can't have nice things.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:16:04pm |
re: #265 The Shadow Do
Only 47% of Gazans voted Hamas. 46% for Fatah - much better! Israel should work to develop the moderate middle, you know, the peaceful 7%.
I thought that 7 percent was just "don't know."
Yeah, Fatah. There's another piece of work.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 9:16:11pm |
Oh fuck it. I swore when I registered here that i wouldn't get involved in any Israel related debated. I started drinking and slipped. I'm going back to my previously agreed upon standard. TTYL when the subject changes.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 9:16:30pm |
re: #253 Conservative Moonbat
You're not going to find any sympathy for Palestinians in this website. Try DKos, HuffPo, or DU for that. We don't support societies who promote hate and murder to their children.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 9:16:45pm |
re: #262 reine.de.tout
I don't know.
All I know is that there is no good reason to shut down what's going on out there now, and no reason to stop new permits. None.
No other company would have ignored he warning signs and made the devastatingly wrong decisions BP made. And they for sure wouldn't do it now.
I feel that we should probably trust more than just that companies don't want to f*** up to keep disasters from happening. (I heard somebody mention that there's a law somewhere where you can't start pumping out oil unless you've already got a release well or two drilled as well in case something goes wrong, we need a law like that)
And with that I'm off for the night.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:17:02pm |
re: #265 The Shadow Do
Only 47% of Gazans voted Hamas. 46% for Fatah - much better! Israel should work to develop the moderate middle, you know, the peaceful 7%.
Fatah are no angels, but they're much better than Hamas.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:17:59pm |
re: #262 reine.de.tout
I don't know.
All I know is that there is no good reason to shut down what's going on out there now, and no reason to stop new permits. None.No other company would have ignored he warning signs and made the devastatingly wrong decisions BP made. And they for sure wouldn't do it now.
Well, I've been looking into this carefully and spoken with highly informed individuals and I now agree with you. The economic devastation from this unnecessary suspension, will exceed the damage to the fishing industry many times over. It may be a popular decision politically while BP is public enemy number one, but the economic effects will be severe.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 31, 2010 9:18:39pm |
re: #273 NJDhockeyfan
You're not going to find
anymuch sympathy for Palestinians in this website. Try DKos, HuffPo, or DU for that. We don't support societies who promote hate and murder to their children.
Some earlier threads had some pretty anti Israel/pro Hamas types of statements.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, May 31, 2010 9:19:12pm |
re: #273 NJDhockeyfan
You're not going to find any sympathy for Palestinians in this website. Try DKos, HuffPo, or DU for that. We don't support societies who promote hate and murder to their children.
the Palestinians are not the same thing as Hamas. Oh never mind. I'm out of here. For real this time.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:19:22pm |
re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Some earlier threads had some pretty anti Israel/pro Hamas types of statements.
Dr. Cordell, please report to the current thread stat!
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 9:19:38pm |
re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Some earlier threads had some pretty anti Israel/pro Hamas types of statements.
No shit? I would have never guessed.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:20:25pm |
re: #275 Nimed
Fatah are no angels, but they're much better than Hamas.
More terrorist attacks have originated from Fatah. They are a far more accomplished terrorist group, Hamas is the new kid on the bloc.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:20:36pm |
To continue from above: A Distant Blockade is now the prevailing type of blockade. In a distant blockade, the blocking nation seeks to keep ships away from the power its blockading without closely guarding the other power's ports. A classic example of this is the World Wars. While the Royal Navy did not post ships outside German harbors, it did capture or destroy all German or Germany-bound merchant ships it could find.* The RN even declared the whole North Sea a war zone, even though the North Sea is mostly international waters. Moreover, the rules the Allies adhered to clearly stated the right of a blockading force to inspect the cargoes of any ship bound for a blockaded power, and to confiscate any contraband discovered.
* It needs to be noted that the blockade of Germany was not absolute like Gaza's is. The Royal Navy did not control the Baltic Sea and during both World Wars Sweden continued to ship iron ore to Germany. British surface ships could not stop this trade because the area was far from British bases and very close to the German naval base at Kiel.
A key source for this post was Castles of Steel: Britain, Germany, and the Winning of the Great War at Sea by Robert K. Massie.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:20:43pm |
re: #279 Conservative Moonbat
the Palestinians are not the same thing as Hamas. Oh never mind. I'm out of here. For real this time.
We put economic sanctions on nations all the time based on what their government does. It really isn't personal.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:21:01pm |
re: #279 Conservative Moonbat
the Palestinians are not the same thing as Hamas. Oh never mind. I'm out of here. For real this time.
Upding for agreeing with me in your parting comment. Always a sign of wisdom.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 9:21:24pm |
re: #280 JasonA
Dr. Cordell, please report to the current thread stat!
Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard....
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:21:28pm |
re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Some earlier threads had some pretty anti Israel/pro Hamas types of statements.
Sadly I, had to take a break myself.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:21:59pm |
re: #272 Conservative Moonbat
Oh fuck it. I swore when I registered here that i wouldn't get involved in any Israel related debated. I started drinking and slipped. I'm going back to my previously agreed upon standard. TTYL when the subject changes.
In vino veritas.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:22:21pm |
re: #273 NJDhockeyfan
You're not going to find any sympathy for Palestinians in this website. Try DKos, HuffPo, or DU for that. We don't support societies who promote hate and murder to their children.
Talking Points Memo folks?
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:22:42pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:22:48pm |
re: #274 jamesfirecat
I feel that we should probably trust more than just that companies don't want to f*** up to keep disasters from happening. (I heard somebody mention that there's a law somewhere where you can't start pumping out oil unless you've already got a release well or two drilled as well in case something goes wrong, we need a law like that)
And with that I'm off for the night.
They don't want to mess it up.
Look at the cost!
No for-profit company it its right mind is going to let that sort of money go down the drain.
And the actual real live human beings on those rigs value their lives enough that they can refuse to go along with something they believe is dangerous. My husband's company is writing just such a policy right now, letting its employees know that they can refuse to work if the company is requiring a dangerous process.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 9:22:52pm |
re: #288 MandyManners
In vino veritas.
Except that when I drink I always think that I'm a wonderful singer, and yet people keep telling me I'm not....
(Kidding, I don't drink)
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:23:11pm |
re: #272 Conservative Moonbat
Oh fuck it. I swore when I registered here that i wouldn't get involved in any Israel related debated. I started drinking and slipped. I'm going back to my previously agreed upon standard. TTYL when the subject changes.
Why not take a third route, educate yourself on the subject and learn from the knowledgeable people here?
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:23:23pm |
re: #279 Conservative Moonbat
the Palestinians are not the same thing as Hamas. Oh never mind. I'm out of here. For real this time.
Who the fuck do you think voted for Hamas?
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:24:23pm |
re: #282 Bagua
More terrorist attacks have originated from Fatah. They are a far more accomplished terrorist group, Hamas is the new kid on the bloc.
I'm somewhat familiar with Fatah's bloody past, but you have to put dates in that sentence. They are no longer considered a terrorist group.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:24:31pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:24:58pm |
re: #280 JasonA
Dr. Cordell, please report to the current thread stat!
Please don't. We don't need that assclown here tonight.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 9:25:09pm |
re: #291 reine.de.tout
They don't want to mess it up.
Look at the cost!
No for-profit company it its right mind is going to let that sort of money go down the drain.
And the actual real live human beings on those rigs value their lives enough that they can refuse to go along with something they believe is dangerous. My husband's company is writing just such a policy right now, letting its employees know that they can refuse to work if the company is requiring a dangerous process.
I'm not going to disagree with you.
They obviously don't want to mess it up.
Its just that this disaster took place even though BP didn't want it to.
We should figure out what they allowed to have happen that caused it and then pass some laws to make sure it can't legally happen again.
Not saying what Obama is doing now is the right thing, but I disagree that we can just count on companies not to in the long run at times be penny wise and pound foolish when it comes to this sort of thing.....
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 9:25:25pm |
re: #295 Nimed
I'm somewhat familiar with Fatah's bloody past, but you have to put dates in that sentence. They are no longer considered a terrorist group.
According to who?
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ClaudeMonet Mon, May 31, 2010 9:25:50pm |
re: #50 Dark_Falcon
And to you, too. Taking out these scumbags helps keep you safe.
It also reduces global warming (fewer people, fewer CO2 emissions) and upgrades the gene pool by eliminating some asshats.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:26:21pm |
re: #295 Nimed
I'm somewhat familiar with Fatah's bloody past, but you have to put dates in that sentence. They are no longer considered a terrorist group.
BY WHOM?
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The Shadow Do Mon, May 31, 2010 9:26:25pm |
re: #280 JasonA
Dr. Cordell, please report to the current thread stat!
Came and went earlier - along with a pack of fellow Hamas apologist jackals. We also were graced with a few dandy antisemites one of whom made its way to Stinky's grill in fairly short order.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:26:33pm |
re: #298 jamesfirecat
I'm not going to disagree with you.
They obviously don't want to mess it up.
Its just that this disaster took place even though BP didn't want it to.
We should figure out what they allowed to have happen that caused it and then pass some laws to make sure it can't legally happen again.
Not saying what Obama is doing now is the right thing, but I disagree that we can just count on companies not to in the long run at times be penny wise and pound foolish when it comes to this sort of thing...
James - a week after the incident, people in that business knew exactly what happened, and why it happened. The details have begun to trickle out to the public now, but the people who work those rigs knew EXACTLY what happened, and why it failed.
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windsagio Mon, May 31, 2010 9:26:37pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 9:26:38pm |
re: #295 Nimed
I'm somewhat familiar with Fatah's bloody past, but you have to put dates in that sentence. They are no longer considered a terrorist group.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:26:59pm |
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:27:33pm |
re: #289 MandyManners
Talking Points Memo folks?
TPM's been careful today. No commentary on this so far.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 9:27:50pm |
re: #304 reine.de.tout
James - a week after the incident, people in that business knew exactly what happened, and why it happened. The details have begun to trickle out to the public now, but the people who work those rigs knew EXACTLY what happened, and why it failed.
Well I feel until we get some laws passed, we can't be 100% sure that something like this won't happen again in exactly the same way.
That said I'm a catnip smoking liberal who has a unhealthy dependency on his nanny state to rock him to sleep at night...
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:28:07pm |
re: #290 MandyManners
Proof?
Well, definite proof is tricky business. They are, unlike Hamas, not considered a terrorist organization, for instance (but they do still have "armed factions").
More here:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 31, 2010 9:28:10pm |
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:28:37pm |
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:29:21pm |
re: #308 JasonA
TPM's been careful today. No commentary on this so far.
I'm shocked.
BTW, can you and I bury the hatchet?
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windsagio Mon, May 31, 2010 9:29:41pm |
re: #313 MandyManners
Just sayin', considering that less than half of them even voted for Hamas,
[ALL PALESTINIANS IN GAZA] != [MEMBERS OF HAMAS].
I shoudln't get into these things at 9:30 tho', cuz I've gotta go to work.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:30:03pm |
re: #310 Nimed
Well, definite proof is tricky business. They are, unlike Hamas, not considered a terrorist organization, for instance (but they do still have "armed factions").
More here:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Oh, bullfuckingshit. FATAH IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
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windsagio Mon, May 31, 2010 9:30:17pm |
re: #315 windsagio
PS, I hope I got that code right, It's been a while.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 9:30:24pm |
So depressing.
I managed to avoid talking to any of my kneejerk Israel-hating moonbat relatives today, until just now, when I had a phone conversation with My Moonbat Brother(™), who proceeded to tell me how Israel is purposely starving little babies to death in Gaza.
I challenged him to come up with one (1) credible link showing that this is the case. Splutter...cough...splutter. He mentioned J-Street, which he supports financially. Does J-Street actually promulgate the starvation myth? We'll see. He has swallowed the bait.
An old, old friend from Greece has now replaced his Facebook avatar with an image of the entire State of Israel covered with the Palestinian flag, followed by the words "Freedom for Palestine" in Greek. You might think that a guy who once took me on a tour of a park in Athens featuring statues of Greek martyrs to the cause of independence from the Ottomans (at least one of whom died roasting on a spit) could maybe might have a little more sympathy for a state that is surrounded by Muslim fanatics, but you would be wrong.
And another Facebook acquaintance, an old colleague who used to prance around the office in a "Free Palestine" bumper-sticker T-shirt that also showed Israel smothered in the "kill the Jews" flag, announced today that he is looking for accomplices to go and chain themselves to the Israeli consulate in New York tomorrow.
Then an English FB friend suggested that people who were for drilling in the Gulf should be used to plug the hole in the BP well. Later, he revised that to say that the US should just go back to doing what it does best - "blowing shit up".
I can hide people on Facebook, or defriend them, but how do you hide from a brother who actually thinks the "flotilla" was about delivering aid to starving babies?
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:30:46pm |
re: #315 windsagio
Just sayin', considering that less than half of them even voted for Hamas,
[ALL PALESTINIANS IN GAZA] != [MEMBERS OF HAMAS].
I shoudln't get into these things at 9:30 tho', cuz I've gotta go to work.
Sweet dreams!
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:31:08pm |
re: #314 MandyManners
I'm shocked.
BTW, can you and I bury the hatchet?
From what I know of the two of us it'll only be temporary, but sure. I'm not Cato.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:31:19pm |
re: #303 The Shadow Do
Came and went earlier - along with a pack of fellow Hamas apologist jackals. We also were graced with a few dandy antisemites one of whom made its way to Stinky's grill in fairly short order.
That one was a moonbat troll who registered just to spew his bile at Israel. Charles sent him packing with a good old-fashioned "Get off my website." The troll made a nice lite snack, though.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:31:28pm |
re: #299 NJDhockeyfan
According to who?
Pretty much everybody, including the Israeli government.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Fatah used to be designated terrorist under Israeli law and was considered terrorist by the United States Department of State and United States Congress until it renounced terrorism in 1988.
Yes, Wikipedia. But it seems well sourced.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:32:17pm |
re: #320 JasonA
From what I know of the two of us it'll only be temporary, but sure. I'm not Cato.
Huh?
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:32:47pm |
re: #310 Nimed
To some, terrorism is a concept not unlike the tooth fairy.
'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. 'Man-caused disasters '. Insert other examples of obtuseness masked as political correctness presenting as an inability to call a terrorist a terrorist here_______./
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:32:58pm |
re: #316 MandyManners
Oh, bullfuckingshit. FATAH IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
Either read the fucking sources and argue coherently, or go fuck yourself. I have very little patience for your histrionics today.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:33:06pm |
re: #324 MandyManners
Huh?
You two seemed to be at each other's throats for a while. Guess that's over?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:34:13pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
So depressing.
I managed to avoid talking to any of my kneejerk Israel-hating moonbat relatives today, until just now, when I had a phone conversation with My Moonbat Brother(™), who proceeded to tell me how Israel is purposely starving little babies to death in Gaza.
I challenged him to come up with one (1) credible link showing that this is the case. Splutter...cough...splutter. He mentioned J-Street, which he supports financially. Does J-Street actually promulgate the starvation myth? We'll see. He has swallowed the bait.
An old, old friend from Greece has now replaced his Facebook avatar with an image of the entire State of Israel covered with the Palestinian flag, followed by the words "Freedom for Palestine" in Greek. You might think that a guy who once took me on a tour of a park in Athens featuring statues of Greek martyrs to the cause of independence from the Ottomans (at least one of whom died roasting on a spit) could maybe might have a little more sympathy for a state that is surrounded by Muslim fanatics, but you would be wrong.
And another Facebook acquaintance, an old colleague who used to prance around the office in a "Free Palestine" bumper-sticker T-shirt that also showed Israel smothered in the "kill the Jews" flag, announced today that he is looking for accomplices to go and chain themselves to the Israeli consulate in New York tomorrow.
Then an English FB friend suggested that people who were for drilling in the Gulf should be used to plug the hole in the BP well. Later, he revised that to say that the US should just go back to doing what it does best - "blowing shit up".
I can hide people on Facebook, or defriend them, but how do you hide from a brother who actually thinks the "flotilla" was about delivering aid to starving babies?
You go kick his ass. That's what good brother do when their sibling has gone around the bend.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 9:34:48pm |
re: #327 JasonA
You two seemed to be at each other's throats for a while. Guess that's over?
Mandy and I are seekrit luvvers. Don't spoil the fun.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:35:30pm |
re: #322 Nimed
Pretty much everybody, including the Israeli government.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Fatah used to be designated terrorist under Israeli law and was considered terrorist by the United States Department of State and United States Congress until it renounced terrorism in 1988.Yes, Wikipedia. But it seems well sourced.
Most are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second. Are you fooled by the fact that they use various "military wings" that they pretend are not under their control? Or simply niave?
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jaunte Mon, May 31, 2010 9:35:47pm |
As of August 2007, Fatah officially supports a two-state solution that would lead to an Israeli state and a Palestinian state (comprised of the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and parts of Jerusalem). The group speaks out against armed resistance and attacks on Israeli civilians, but still maintains its association with armed militant factions.HAMAS
Hamas’s founding document, drafted in 1988, states the group’s Islamist credo: “The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinct Palestinian Movement which owes its loyalty to Allah, derives from Islam its way of life and strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.” (Article 6)
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
So yes, and no.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:35:47pm |
re: #322 Nimed
It's never wise to use Wikipedia as a definitive source for political facts, since it's open-edited.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:35:51pm |
re: #329 Cato the Elder
Mandy and I are seekrit luvvers. Don't spoil the fun.
I imagine it physical hurts you to misspell words intentionally like that.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:36:18pm |
re: #325 tradewind
To some, terrorism is a concept not unlike the tooth fairy.
'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. 'Man-caused disasters '. Insert other examples of obtuseness masked as political correctness presenting as an inability to call a terrorist a terrorist here___./
The Israeli government doesn't consider Fatah a terrorist group, so perhaps you can send them an email to explain to them why they're wrong.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:38:13pm |
re: #326 Nimed
Either read the fucking sources and argue coherently, or go fuck yourself. I have very little patience for your histrionics today.
Easy solution to that, stop the histrionics.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 9:38:30pm |
re: #214 Conservative Moonbat
Here are some of the things Israel is trying to keep out of Gaza:
[Link: blogs.alternet.org...]
U.N. Halts Aid to Gaza In Dispute With Hamas
GAZA CITY, Feb. 6 -- A United Nations aid agency that serves more than half of the 1.5 million residents of the Gaza Strip suspended humanitarian shipments here on Friday, accusing Hamas of confiscating U.N. material for the second time this week.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:38:39pm |
re: #330 Bagua
Most are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second. Are you fooled by the fact that they use various "military wings" that they pretend are not under their control? Or simply niave?
Where does it say in your source that most are Fatah?
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:38:42pm |
re: #326 Nimed
Either read the fucking sources and argue coherently, or go fuck yourself. I have very little patience for your histrionics today.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:39:02pm |
Anyone else notice that a thread called "Missionaries of Hate" has turned into a Hamas/Fatah discussion?
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:39:35pm |
re: #327 JasonA
You two seemed to be at each other's throats for a while. Guess that's over?
For now.
Maybe.
I don't know.
He chaps my hide at times.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:39:40pm |
re: #334 Nimed
Someone had better clue in the headline editor below, 'cause they didn't get the word. I'd feel pretty confident putting money on a poll of the Israeli citizens re their opinion.
[Link: www.thejidf.org...]
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 9:40:21pm |
re: #339 JasonA
Anyone else notice that a thread called "Missionaries of Hate" has turned into a Hamas/Fatah discussion?
It's sort of on people's minds.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:40:22pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:40:28pm |
re: #338 MandyManners
Mandy's LGF Google-Fu is strong. So is her will. Mess with her at your peril.
((Mandy))
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:40:37pm |
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:40:59pm |
re: #338 MandyManners
Yes, and I maintain all of it.
Glad you bring it up, since you are who was stupid enough to suggest that the Israeli government should tell the US to go fuck themselves and bomb Hezbollah.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:41:00pm |
re: #330 Bagua
Most are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second. Are you fooled by the fact that they use various "military wings" that they pretend are not under their control? Or simply niave?
Or, anti-Israel?
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:41:20pm |
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:41:42pm |
re: #339 JasonA
Anyone else notice that a thread called "Missionaries of Hate" has turned into a Hamas/Fatah discussion?
I guess that means we're still talking about poo.
/
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swamprat Mon, May 31, 2010 9:42:18pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:42:20pm |
re: #339 JasonA
Anyone else notice that a thread called "Missionaries of Hate" has turned into a Hamas/Fatah discussion?
It's the big issue today. We gave the main topic a good going over, and have now moved on. Topic drift happens a lot here.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:42:22pm |
re: #338 MandyManners
Oh, and suggested that there are pro-Hezbollah people on LGF. Charles finally called you out on that one, but I guess you're dumb enough to repeat the accusation.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:42:24pm |
re: #344 Dark_Falcon
Mandy's LGF Google-Fu is strong. So is her will. Mess with her at your peril.
((Mandy))
*blush*
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 9:42:32pm |
Just watched "The Men Who Stare At Goats"...funny fuckin' movie. Any time you can liberate some prisoners and a couple dozen goats by dosing an Army base with LSD in the water, you know you have a good film. Ha! Otherwise, the film was so-so...
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:42:40pm |
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:42:44pm |
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:43:18pm |
re: #347 MandyManners
I would be offended if I didn't realize that I'm dealing with a borderline retarded individual.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 9:43:36pm |
re: #94 Aceofwhat?
Nope, Stosur in 3 sets! She was great...too bad she has to play Serena next. I love watching her forehand (i swear, that's what i'm watching;)
That's Henin's first loss on clay in six years. I hope she kick's Serena's ass...the Williams sisters are good, but they're a pain in the ass.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 9:43:48pm |
Fatah may resume ‘armed struggle'
Fatah does not rule out the possibility of resuming an “armed struggle” against Israel if the US-sponsored proximity talks fail, a senior Fatah official said on Saturday.Abbas Zaki, a member of the Fatah Central Committee and former Palestinian envoy to Lebanon, said that the Palestinians may also demand the implementation of United Nations Resolution 181, which was adopted in 1947 and recommends the division of the British Mandate of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab, with the Jerusalem-Bethlehem area being under special international protection.
But their not a terrorist group.
//
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:43:52pm |
re: #337 Nimed
Where does it say in your source that most are Fatah?
I gave you the list, you want me to do your research for you? I have followed the terrorism in Israel on a case by case basis for years. Most successful terrorist attacks have been from the various groups and individuals linked to Fatah. Israel, the US, EU, etc. are all playing a cynical game like they did with Arafat.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:44:29pm |
re: #346 Nimed
Yes, and I maintain all of it.
Glad you bring it up, since you are who was stupid enough to suggest that the Israeli government should tell the US to go fuck themselves and bomb Hezbollah.
Why was that stupid? Why should Israel let Hezbollah receive weapons whose only purpose would be to attack Israel?
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 9:44:38pm |
re: #357 Nimed
I would be offended if I didn't realize that I'm dealing with a borderline retarded individual.
Borderline? That's funny.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 9:44:42pm |
My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) also told me tonight that Israel is the "hegemonic power" in the Middle East.
I'm sending an old-fashioned Western Union telegram to Bibi right now to congratulate him.
The world "hegemony" reminds me of an old English saying: "Love thy neighbor, but pull not down thy hedge."
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:45:06pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
If all else fails, comfort yourself with the notion that ' switched at birth ' is a real possibility./
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:45:31pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
So depressing.
I managed to avoid talking to any of my kneejerk Israel-hating moonbat relatives today, until just now, when I had a phone conversation with My Moonbat Brother(™), who proceeded to tell me how Israel is purposely starving little babies to death in Gaza.
I challenged him to come up with one (1) credible link showing that this is the case. Splutter...cough...splutter. He mentioned J-Street, which he supports financially. Does J-Street actually promulgate the starvation myth? We'll see. He has swallowed the bait.
An old, old friend from Greece has now replaced his Facebook avatar with an image of the entire State of Israel covered with the Palestinian flag, followed by the words "Freedom for Palestine" in Greek. You might think that a guy who once took me on a tour of a park in Athens featuring statues of Greek martyrs to the cause of independence from the Ottomans (at least one of whom died roasting on a spit) could maybe might have a little more sympathy for a state that is surrounded by Muslim fanatics, but you would be wrong.
And another Facebook acquaintance, an old colleague who used to prance around the office in a "Free Palestine" bumper-sticker T-shirt that also showed Israel smothered in the "kill the Jews" flag, announced today that he is looking for accomplices to go and chain themselves to the Israeli consulate in New York tomorrow.
Then an English FB friend suggested that people who were for drilling in the Gulf should be used to plug the hole in the BP well. Later, he revised that to say that the US should just go back to doing what it does best - "blowing shit up".
I can hide people on Facebook, or defriend them, but how do you hide from a brother who actually thinks the "flotilla" was about delivering aid to starving babies?
Ew.
What an awful day, you should have been here!
BTW - does your English friend realize that BP is a British Company, and it was the decision of the BP Company Man on that rig that blew up 11 Americans?
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 9:46:14pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:46:17pm |
re: #309 jamesfirecat
Well I feel until we get some laws passed, we can't be 100% sure that something like this won't happen again in exactly the same way.
That said I'm a catnip smoking liberal who has a unhealthy dependency on his nanny state to rock him to sleep at night...
We won't be 100% sure after the law passes.
A law is not gonna change the dynamics of drilling.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:46:25pm |
re: #357 Nimed
After that insult flung at Mandy, you can go soak your head.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:46:37pm |
re: #360 Bagua
I gave you the list, you want me to do your research for you? I have followed the terrorism in Israel on a case by case basis for years. Most successful terrorist attacks have been from the various groups and individuals linked to Fatah. Israel, the US, EU, etc. are all playing a cynical game like they did with Arafat.
You gave me a link with a list of terrorist attacks not linked to Fatah. Is that supposed to prove something about Fatah?
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:46:56pm |
re: #365 reine.de.tout
Ew.
What an awful day, you should have been here!BTW - does your English friend realize that BP is a British Company, and it was the decision of the BP Company Man on that rig that blew up 11 Americans?
Actually, decisions with an s. (As you well know.)
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swamprat Mon, May 31, 2010 9:46:59pm |
re: #354 darthstar
The movie is true, according to this gent in my town, who says he knows one of the goat stare-ers.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 9:47:05pm |
re: #359 NJDhockeyfan
Fatah may resume ‘armed struggle'
But their not a terrorist group.
//
It's "they're" not "their". Their is the possessive for "belongs to them"...They're is the contraction for "they are". They're not a terrorist group. And you can't take one side of the Palestinians and say they're terrorists and the others are not, and then say the others are terrorists. It makes you look like someone who just wants to be on the "right side" of the argument, regardless of what that means.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:47:17pm |
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:47:54pm |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
After that insult flung at Mandy, you can go soak your head.
But I guess you're just fine with she accusing me of being anti-Israel.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:48:15pm |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
True, except that ' flung 's really too strong. I'm going with a limp toss.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:48:59pm |
re: #369 Nimed
You gave me a link with a list of terrorist attacks not linked to Fatah. Is that supposed to prove something about Fatah?
I told you, the majority of those were not Hamas, they are the various flavours of Fatah. Am I not being clear in this?
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 9:49:15pm |
re: #371 swamprat
The movie is true, according to this gent in my town, who says he knows one of the goat stare-ers.
The movie said "more of this is true than you'd believe" at the beginning. I'm sure our government has invested in such psy-ops, but hey, they also spent a great deal of time researching the benefits of LSD as a 'truth syrum' so I won't put anything past them.
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 9:49:44pm |
It's been a long, long weekend. It started with a bunch of nine-year-old boys spending the night which entaiild cooking for them, prepping four feet of sub sandwiches and clearing their trip to the country club for swimming (paperwork beyond belief). Thank goodness for the baby-sitters at the club or I would have not got a lot of shit done.
Then, the feast today. Oh, it was marvelous.
These freedoms were brought to me by thousands of men and women whose boots I'm not qualified to lick.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:50:29pm |
re: #369 Nimed
If they're not terrorists, why are they still naming their squares after them?
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 9:50:36pm |
Perhaps the one thing that Mandy and I have in common, aside from our unshakable support for Israel in the face of overwhelming odds, is staying power.
I've kicked Mandy's ass and she's kicked mine, and neither one of us is going anywhere.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 9:50:41pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:50:47pm |
re: #374 Nimed
That's not the point. She said that, and then you called her "borderline retarded". You flung a nasty insult, and I responded.
But i have to say that you words about Hezbollah struck me as dangerously naive.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:51:38pm |
The IRA might (might) not be terrorists anymore, but I sure as hell wouldn't trust them to babysit.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:52:13pm |
re: #380 Cato the Elder
Perhaps the one thing that Mandy and I have in common, aside from our unshakable support for Israel in the face of overwhelming odds, is staying power.
I've kicked Mandy's ass and she's kicked mine, and neither one of us is going anywhere.
We know :(
///
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:52:23pm |
re: #380 Cato the Elder
Perhaps the one thing that Mandy and I have in common, aside from our unshakable support for Israel in the face of overwhelming odds, is staying power.
I've kicked Mandy's ass and she's kicked mine, and neither one of us is going anywhere.
You two share a trait: There's no 'quit' in either of you.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:52:37pm |
re: #361 Dark_Falcon
Why was that stupid? Why should Israel let Hezbollah receive weapons whose only purpose would be to attack Israel?
Sigh.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Bomb them anyway, Israel. Just tell BHO to shut the fuck up and bomb them.
The most disastrous thing that can happen to Israel at this point is to lose the support of the US. If you don't think this is painfully obvious, please state your case.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 9:52:47pm |
re: #372 darthstar
It's "they're" not "their". Their is the possessive for "belongs to them"...They're is the contraction for "they are". They're not a terrorist group. And you can't take one side of the Palestinians and say they're terrorists and the others are not, and then say the others are terrorists. It makes you look like someone who just wants to be on the "right side" of the argument, regardless of what that means.
Hamas, Fatah, al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades.....all the same, they just wear different colors. They all want to kill Jews and push Israel in to the sea.
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SpaceJesus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:53:20pm |
grandpa spacejesus didn't sail across the atlantic to stab nazis in the face just so they could show up here 70 years later. fuck the evangelical right.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 9:53:27pm |
re: #380 Cato the Elder
Perhaps the one thing that Mandy and I have in common, aside from our unshakable support for Israel in the face of overwhelming odds, is staying power.
It's called blind allegiance, and there's nothing wrong with it - it's part of human nature. I feel the same way about the United States...sure, we fuck up sometimes, but it's my country and I love it...even when it fucks up.
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jaunte Mon, May 31, 2010 9:53:36pm |
Fatah was a terrorist organization until it seemed more productive to them to create a little distance between themselves and their "armed wings" for western consumption. If in future this becomes in their opinion less politically productive, they'll go back to being a terrorist organization. IMO.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, May 31, 2010 9:54:20pm |
Watching that was disturbing. Essentially, the Ugandans are doing what the Dominionist Evangelicals can only have wet dreams about. It's pure evil and it's reminiscent of the sort of propaganda used against Jews during the Third Reich. And to think that Obama chose Pastor Rick Warren too. I'm not liking Obama much right now (and obviously not Ugandan leadership).
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:54:32pm |
re: #386 Nimed
Sigh.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Bomb them anyway, Israel. Just tell BHO to shut the fuck up and bomb them.The most disastrous thing that can happen to Israel at this point is to lose the support of the US. If you don't think this is painfully obvious, please state your case.
My beef is with the other part of your remark, which kind of supported Hezbollah. Telling the head of state of a country that gives you lots of bombs and bullets to kill people with to stfu is incredibly insulting, though.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:54:32pm |
re: #382 Dark_Falcon
That's not the point. She said that, and then you called her "borderline retarded". You flung a nasty insult, and I responded.
But i have to say that you words about Hezbollah struck me as dangerously naive.
IN RESPONSE TO THE ANTI-ISRAEL ACCUSATION.
Dangerously naive is to think that Israel can cheerfully tell the US President to go fuck himself while attacking other countries.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 9:54:48pm |
re: #386 Nimed
Sigh.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Bomb them anyway, Israel. Just tell BHO to shut the fuck up and bomb them.The most disastrous thing that can happen to Israel at this point is to lose the support of the US. If you don't think this is painfully obvious, please state your case.
It's already happening. That's what's painfully obvious.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:54:53pm |
re: #367 reine.de.tout
We won't be 100% sure after the law passes.
A law is not gonna change the dynamics of drilling.
Actually quite irrelevant. This was a problem well and BP and the MMS just ignored it. Nobody will make the same series of mistakes again.
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freetoken Mon, May 31, 2010 9:54:56pm |
re: #388 SpaceJesus
What was that old saying... something similar to: if Fascism were to come to the US it would be draped in a flag and a cross?
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:54:59pm |
re: #383 JasonA
How interesting that the poet laureate/activist from Northern Ireland was working as a supply shiphand./
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 9:55:20pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
...An old, old friend from Greece has now replaced his Facebook avatar with an image of the entire State of Israel covered with the Palestinian flag, followed by the words "Freedom for Palestine" in Greek. You might think that a guy who once took me on a tour of a park in Athens featuring statues of Greek martyrs to the cause of independence from the Ottomans (at least one of whom died roasting on a spit) could maybe might have a little more sympathy for a state that is surrounded by Muslim fanatics, but you would be wrong...
I would like to see people like that immerse themselves in the pre-enlightenment culture of Palestine. Not to live as tourists or visitors but to live there and become a part of the Islamic culture that has to adhere to the principles and social mores that make up the average life of the average citizen.
It would be interesting to film them through this experiment and watch them give up alcohol, marijuana, pornography, cut their hair, grow a beard in 130 degree temperatures, and adhere to the strict rules of their new found religion.
The experiment would last a week. Tops.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:55:54pm |
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swamprat Mon, May 31, 2010 9:56:08pm |
re: #386 Nimed
Sigh.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Bomb them anyway, Israel. Just tell BHO to shut the fuck up and bomb them.The most disastrous thing that can happen to Israel at this point is to lose the support of the US. If you don't think this is painfully obvious, please state your case.
A nuke attack from Syria or Lebanon would easily trump that.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:56:17pm |
re: #390 jaunte
Fatah was a terrorist organization until it seemed more productive to them to create a little distance between themselves and their "armed wings" for western consumption. If in future this becomes in their opinion less politically productive, they'll go back to being a terrorist organization. IMO.
That's fine, and it may very well be true. They remain the best hope for mediation with the Palestinians though. Which, admittedly, isn't saying much.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 9:56:19pm |
re: #386 Nimed
Not so much. ' The most disastrous thing that could happen to Israel right now ' is for the Palestinian's vision for her to come true.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 9:56:34pm |
re: #378 MandyManners
It's been a long, long weekend. It started with a bunch of nine-year-old boys spending the night which entaiild cooking for them, prepping four feet of sub sandwiches and clearing their trip to the country club for swimming (paperwork beyond belief). Thank goodness for the baby-sitters at the club or I would have not got a lot of shit done.
Then, the feast today. Oh, it was marvelous.
These freedoms were brought to me by thousands of men and women whose boots I'm not qualified to lick.
Had me a big ol' grilled T-bone and some corn-on-the cob myself..damn tasty.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 9:57:03pm |
re: #400 swamprat
A nuke attack from Syria or Lebanon would easily trump that.
Oh, shit...Syria and Lebanon have nukes too? There goes the neighborhood.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 9:57:20pm |
re: #386 Nimed
Sigh.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Bomb them anyway, Israel. Just tell BHO to shut the fuck up and bomb them.The most disastrous thing that can happen to Israel at this point is to lose the support of the US. If you don't think this is painfully obvious, please state your case.
I do think that would be disastrous, but I think someone responsible (which is how I've always seen Netanyahu) needs to call Obama out for his foolish naivete on Hamas and Hezbollah. Part of that calling out involves Israel ignoring Obama on something. Obama won't be allowed to create a breech over Hezbollah being bombed. The public would pummel him if he did.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 9:57:29pm |
re: #395 Bagua
Actually quite irrelevant. This was a problem well and BP and the MMS just ignored it. Nobody will make the same series of mistakes again.
Yes you are correct.
There are no "laws" that can fix this, and you are correct, no one will make this same series of mistakes again.
BTW - The Roi sent me an e-mail - yesterday or day before, I posted it here, it's his "take" on what BP is doing now. I don't know if you saw it or even if you're interested, but I'll e-mail it to you if you wish, just say the word.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 9:57:46pm |
re: #388 SpaceJesus
grandpa spacejesus didn't sail across the atlantic to stab nazis in the face just so they could show up here 70 years later. fuck the evangelical right.
You might get crabs or worse if you do that...
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 9:58:09pm |
re: #386 Nimed
Sigh.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Bomb them anyway, Israel. Just tell BHO to shut the fuck up and bomb them.The most disastrous thing that can happen to Israel at this point is to lose the support of the US. If you don't think this is painfully obvious, please state your case.
As you are going to keep repeating that nonsense, let's have a reality check.
re: #141 NimedTomorrow morning we're going to have a "say the most hyperbolic shit you can think of, as long as it is sympathetic toward Israel or against Arabs/Europe/Teh Left" contest in LGF. Mandy was ready to tell Obama to go fuck himself and bomb Lebanon (not Lebanon, Hezbollah!) yesterday, so we can expect solutions involving nuclear bombs tomorrow. Anyone up for a bet? No warnings, though.
Ok, I looked up your comment since you brought it up:
Great advice, Mandy.
Yes, Israel, tell the President of the country that is your closest ally to shut the fuck up while you decide to bomb sovereign nations that, like it or not, have every right to sell weapons to each other.
UN Security Council Resolution 1701 which ended the Second Lebanon War in 2006, banned the rearming of Hizbullah.
Supplying the Iranian terrorist proxy Hezballah with Syrian and Iranian ballistic missiles to fire on Israel in the next round is not a "right", in fact it is forbidden by the UN Security Council.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 9:58:09pm |
re: #400 swamprat
A nuke attack from Syria or Lebanon would easily trump that.
Yes, but they have no nukes (and they would be obliterated out of existence, but that's another matter).
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:58:28pm |
re: #407 talon_262
You might get crabs or worse if you do that...
They don't believe in condoms.
Just sayin'...
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freetoken Mon, May 31, 2010 9:58:38pm |
re: #391 eclectic infidel
It's not just Uganda though; all through sub-Saharan Africa there is quite a bit of violent ostracism of one group or another, but especially so against gays.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 9:59:08pm |
re: #411 freetoken
It's not just Uganda though; all through sub-Saharan Africa there is quite a bit of violent ostracism of one group or another, but especially so against gays.
And albinos.
Not kidding.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 10:00:07pm |
re: #388 SpaceJesus
Despite your best efforts to retake Pelham one-two-three, the thread is on its own course. Just lie back and accept it./
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:01:00pm |
re: #397 tradewind
How interesting that the poet laureate/activist from Northern Ireland was working as a supply shiphand./
The IRA often had contact with Arab terrorist organizations. Not an entire surprise he went along "for the Lads", as it were.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 10:01:00pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 31, 2010 10:01:27pm |
re: #412 JasonA
And albinos.
Not kidding.
If you ask me I bet its because they're jealous, you can't get much whiter than being an albino....
(Sorry if that statement was in bad taste I'm actually going to bed now...)
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:02:02pm |
re: #414 tradewind
Despite your best efforts to retake Pelham one-two-three, the thread is on its own course. Just lie back and accept it./
The 1974 version, which was awesome, or the 2009 version, which sucked by comparison?
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swamprat Mon, May 31, 2010 10:02:05pm |
re: #400 swamprat
I also think that Obama might be playing "plausible deniability".
" I told them not to do it, but they went against my wishes and unilaterally killed 47 terrorists, destroyed a nuculear weapons assembly plant, and assasinated Ahmahjinadad... What could we do?
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 10:02:33pm |
re: #417 jamesfirecat
Kinda was, but there's enough chatter going on around here you might slip away unnoticed.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:02:53pm |
re: #405 Dark_Falcon
I do think that would be disastrous, but I think someone responsible (which is how I've always seen Netanyahu) needs to call Obama out for his foolish naivete on Hamas and Hezbollah. Part of that calling out involves Israel ignoring Obama on something. Obama won't be allowed to create a breech over Hezbollah being bombed. The public would pummel him if he did.
That's your assessment, and a quite optimistic one. If Israel would commit an Act of War with Lebanon (that's what bombing Hezbollah means) without US approval, that would have a very negative impact in Israel-US relations. The extent of the impact is unpredictable, and it would be a really terrible idea.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 10:03:06pm |
re: #415 Dark_Falcon
Not a lad, a las.... I can't quite bring myself to say it, but her name's Maireed.
| 423 |
swamprat Mon, May 31, 2010 10:03:30pm |
re: #404 darthstar
Not yet. But Korea is willing to share when it gets the tech.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:03:37pm |
With apologies to Lerner and Lowe:
Why can't the Moonbats
Teach their children how to think?
Christians learn their catechiz,
Alhololics how to drink.
Oh, why can't the Moonbats
Teach their children how to think?
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:04:34pm |
re: #423 swamprat
Not yet. But Korea is willing to share when it gets the tech.
Well, that settles it...no more Kias for me.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 10:04:35pm |
re: #422 tradewind
Not a lad, a las... I can't quite bring myself to say it, but her name's Maireed.
Pretty name. Poor judgment.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:05:11pm |
re: #417 jamesfirecat
If you ask me I bet its because they're jealous, you can't get much whiter than being an albino...
(Sorry if that statement was in bad taste I'm actually going to bed now...)
I'll give you a pass this time. Sleep well, James. But do know that a person of African origin who is an albino will not look like people we would call white. Their hair structure and facial features will still be those of African people.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:05:17pm |
February 4, 2008: A 73-year-old woman was killed and 40 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a shopping center in the southern city of Dimona. A second bomber was shot by a police officer who noticed him reaching for his explosive belt. Both Hamas’ armed wing, Izaddin Kassam, and Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 24, 2008: Rami Zoari, 20, from Beersheba, a border police officer, was killed and another female officer was seriously wounded after terrorists approached the entrance to Shuafat refugee camp in northern Jerusalem and opened fire on a group of Israelis. The Battalions of Struggle and Return, a previously anonymous offshoot of Fatah's Al Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 30, 2006: Four people were killed in a suicide bombing outside Kedumim in the northern West Bank. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades took responsibility for the attack.
October 16, 2005: Palestinian gunmen killed three Israelis and wounded as least 5 others in two separate drive-by shootings in the West Bank. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for both attacks.
August 28, 2005: A suicide bombing outside the Central Bus Station in Beersheba severly injured two security guards who stopped the bomber from entering the bus station. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
| 429 |
tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 10:05:34pm |
re: #418 darthstar
Doesn't make any difference to me... I just enjoy saying 'Pelham One- Two -Three '.
(I didn't see the remake).
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:06:16pm |
re: #424 Cato the Elder
With apologies to Lerner and Lowe:
Why can't the Moonbats
Teach their children how to think?
Christians learn their catechiz,
Alhololics how to drink.
Oh, why can't the Moonbats
Teach their children how to think?
Because they aren't wing-nuts,
Whose only true desire,
Is to see a land purified,
For God's immortal fire.
| 433 |
swamprat Mon, May 31, 2010 10:06:22pm |
re: #425 darthstar Uh, that's North Korea, not KIA-country.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:06:30pm |
re: #425 darthstar
Well, that settles it...no more Kias for me.
Upding for the clever but non-hurtful wisecrack.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:06:53pm |
re: #408 Bagua
UN Security Council Resolution 1701 which ended the Second Lebanon War in 2006, banned the rearming of Hizbullah.
Supplying the Iranian terrorist proxy Hezballah with Syrian and Iranian ballistic missiles to fire on Israel in the next round is not a "right", in fact it is forbidden by the UN Security Council.
Bagua, I am aware of Resolution 1701, which you would know if you had read my latter comments in that same thread. Morevoer, I already responded to you in the same thread we were discussed that. Here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:07:24pm |
re: #433 swamprat
Uh, that's North Korea, not KIA-country.
You weren't specific, so what was I to do?
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 10:08:14pm |
re: #419 swamprat
Just one more thing for him to go to sleep by and wake up to./
Is Rahm still over in Israel?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 31, 2010 10:08:45pm |
Gotta hit the hay. See ya in the morning!
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 10:08:48pm |
re: #436 darthstar
You weren't specific, so what was I to do?
LGF is so hardcore even the jokes are scrutinized for veracity.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:08:59pm |
re: #437 tradewind
Just one more thing for him to go to sleep by and wake up to./
Is Rahm still over in Israel?
How long does a bar-mitzvah last? I'm assuming he's on his way home by now.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:09:29pm |
re: #435 Nimed
Bagua, I am aware of Resolution 1701, which you would know if you had read my latter comments in that same thread. Morevoer, I already responded to you in the same thread we were discussed that. Here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Then you should retract your statement.
Yes, Israel, tell the President of the country that is your closest ally to shut the fuck up while you decide to bomb sovereign nations that, like it or not, have every right to sell weapons to each other.
Show that your are learning. And you posted a dead link BTW.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:09:36pm |
re: #435 Nimed
Bagua, I am aware of Resolution 1701, which you would know if you had read my latter comments in that same thread. Morevoer, I already responded to you in the same thread we were discussed that. Here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Link did not work.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:10:15pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
Link did not work.
Trailing period on the link fucked it up I think
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:10:28pm |
re: #428 Bagua
February 4, 2008: A 73-year-old woman was killed and 40 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a shopping center in the southern city of Dimona. A second bomber was shot by a police officer who noticed him reaching for his explosive belt. Both Hamas’ armed wing, Izaddin Kassam, and Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 24, 2008: Rami Zoari, 20, from Beersheba, a border police officer, was killed and another female officer was seriously wounded after terrorists approached the entrance to Shuafat refugee camp in northern Jerusalem and opened fire on a group of Israelis. The Battalions of Struggle and Return, a previously anonymous offshoot of Fatah's Al Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 30, 2006: Four people were killed in a suicide bombing outside Kedumim in the northern West Bank. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades took responsibility for the attack.
October 16, 2005: Palestinian gunmen killed three Israelis and wounded as least 5 others in two separate drive-by shootings in the West Bank. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for both attacks.
August 28, 2005: A suicide bombing outside the Central Bus Station in Beersheba severly injured two security guards who stopped the bomber from entering the bus station. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
Bagua, your claim:
Most [terrorist attacks ] are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second.
That's what you're supposed to demonstrate, not that Fatah's armed wings were involved in terrorist attacks in the past -- that's in the Wikipedia article I linked in the first place.
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tradewind Mon, May 31, 2010 10:10:58pm |
Goodnight, ya'll.
(Walter, there's detox for Lost withdrawal on Kimmel now... Josh Holloway...).
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 10:11:18pm |
re: #380 Cato the Elder
Perhaps the one thing that Mandy and I have in common, aside from our unshakable support for Israel in the face of overwhelming odds, is staying power.
I've kicked Mandy's ass and she's kicked mine, and neither one of us is going anywhere.
*smooch*
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MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 10:11:52pm |
re: #382 Dark_Falcon
That's not the point. She said that, and then you called her "borderline retarded". You flung a nasty insult, and I responded.
But i have to say that you words about Hezbollah struck me as dangerously naive.
"Naive"? Bullshit. Nimed is not naive.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 31, 2010 10:12:00pm |
re: #441 Bagua
Show that your are learning. And you posted a dead link BTW.
It had an extra period at the end of the URL - remove the period and it works.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 10:12:04pm |
Part of Palestine's problem is that it's a country run by old white men, socons and theocrats.
Funny that.
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swamprat Mon, May 31, 2010 10:12:18pm |
re: #430 jaunte
nuculear weapons
I think you've created a new great spelling compromise.
Time for some sleeps.
Boa Noite
/ A portuguese friend called from Pico, Azores, today.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:13:30pm |
re: #441 Bagua
Show that your are learning. And you posted a dead link BTW.
I didre: #441 Bagua
Show that your are learning. And you posted a dead link BTW.
Sigh. Read the freaking answer
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Bagua, I checked Resolution 1701 and corrected myself 15 minutes later on the same thread. Downthread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I'm obviously not defending that. I'm saying that international law and sovereignty should count for something.
Under resolution 1701, the weapons smuggling is illegal. Israel should prove that, at least, before considering a military intervention.
And again a bit later:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
The entire world is not out to get Israel. If Israel makes its case that Resolution 1701 has been violated and the Security Council still doesn't authorize military action, then Israel will at least be on a much more legitimate position to go ahead.
Now, to recapitulate, nations have every right to sell conventional weapons to each other. In this specific instance, and under a condition of Resolution 1701 that I verified on the same thread, the arms trade between Hezbollah and Syria is illegal. That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to decide for Israel to tell the President of the US to go fuck himself and bomb Lebanon. If Israel has compelling proof of the violation of the Resolution, it should be easy to make its case.
The US, more than anybody, should understand the value of convincing, unequivocal evidence.
If you had read the original thread in the first place, you wouldn't be "correcting" me.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:14:55pm |
re: #447 MandyManners
"Naive"? Bullshit. Nimed is not naive.
You called me anti-Israel. If you have some other idiotic accusation to make, go ahead.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:15:44pm |
re: #451 Nimed
It won't come to that. Sooner rather than later Hezbollah is going to start raining missiles down on Israel again. The missiles are not there for shits and giggles.
At that point, all bets are off.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:16:14pm |
re: #444 Nimed
Bagua, your claim:
Most [terrorist attacks ] are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second.That's what you're supposed to demonstrate, not that Fatah's armed wings were involved in terrorist attacks in the past -- that's in the Wikipedia article I linked in the first place.
Stop the sophistry. If you buy the bullshit that the "military wings" are not under Fatah's direct patronage and control then you are either new to this subject or gullible. Even Hamas has a "military wing" al-Qassam Brigades. They all do this.
| 455 |
MandyManners Mon, May 31, 2010 10:16:28pm |
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:16:49pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
Link did not work.
Sorry. re: #442 Dark_Falcon
Link did not work.
Oops, sorry.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:18:58pm |
re: #453 Cato the Elder
It won't come to that. Sooner rather than later Hezbollah is going to start raining missiles down on Israel again. The missiles are not there for shits and giggles.
At that point, all bets are off.
I hope you're wrong, but it's definitely a possibility. Israel will have a casus belli then, and Lebanon will be buying a ticket to hell.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:21:42pm |
re: #454 Bagua
Stop the sophistry. If you buy the bullshit that the "military wings" are not under Fatah's direct patronage and control then you are either new to this subject or gullible. Even Hamas has a "military wing" al-Qassam Brigades. They all do this.
By all means, include Fatah's military wings in your count when you demonstrate that:
Most [terrorist attacks ] are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:24:06pm |
re: #451 Nimed
Sigh. Read the freaking answer
Bagua, I checked Resolution 1701 and corrected myself 15 minutes later on the same thread. Downthread:
So why are you repeating the same slurs against Mandy tonight?
I'm obviously not defending that. I'm saying that international law and sovereignty should count for something.
Sovereignty? Whose, Hezbollah? They are a terrorist group under UN sanction and a puppet of Iran. Lebanon? What little sovereignty they have is granted them by Iran and Syria. They don't control their country.
Under resolution 1701, the weapons smuggling is illegal. Israel should prove that, at least, before considering a military intervention.
They have done that repeatedly, this whole story is because they were taking more evidence to Obama. Pay attention.
The entire world is not out to get Israel. If Israel makes its case that Resolution 1701 has been violated and the Security Council still doesn't authorize military action, then Israel will at least be on a much more legitimate position to go ahead.
You are asleep. They have made this case repeatedly.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, May 31, 2010 10:25:34pm |
re: #421 Nimed
That's your assessment, and a quite optimistic one. If Israel would commit an Act of War with Lebanon (that's what bombing Hezbollah means) without US approval, that would have a very negative impact in Israel-US relations. The extent of the impact is unpredictable, and it would be a really terrible idea.
Hezbollah has already declared war on Israel. Anything Israel does now is an act of self-defense.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:25:42pm |
For all those who are accusing me of naivite, let me repeat the Mandy's claim I had a problem with. You can decide for yourselves wether it's a good idea or not.
Bomb them anyway, Israel. Just tell BHO to shut the fuck up and bomb them..
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 10:29:19pm |
Well, there's another ship heading their way. The MV Rachel Corrie.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:29:19pm |
re: #461 Nimed
For all those who are accusing me of naivite, let me repeat the Mandy's claim I had a problem with. You can decide for yourselves wether it's a good idea or not.
Bomb them anyway, Israel. Just tell BHO to shut the fuck up and bomb them..
Mandy's rhetoric is just Mandy playing to what she thinks is the majority opinion at a give time. It's best not to take what she says seriously. And her Obama Derangement Syndrome is unequaled here...so that's something else to consider.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:30:27pm |
re: #458 Nimed
By all means, include Fatah's military wings in your count when you demonstrate that:
Most [terrorist attacks ] are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second.
I bolded the Fatah "military wing" in each case. Of the other notable attacks, the majority are other Fatah stooges such as "palestinian authority police. You missed that as you seem to miss most points on this subject.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:30:41pm |
re: #459 Bagua
You are asleep. They have made this case repeatedly.
Shrug. Bagua, I think we are at an end of our discussion here. You are now in "vague and unsupported assertion" mode. When you decide that you can provide support for any of the claims you've made, we can resume our discussion. You can start here:
Most [terrorist attacks ] are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:31:39pm |
re: #462 Gus 802
Well, there's another ship heading their way. The MV Rachel Corrie.
Rachel Corrie was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened. I admire her guts in standing up to the bulldozers, but a lot of people will celebrate her death because to them she was just some stupid American bitch getting involved in something she shouldn't have. Sad, really. I didn't know she had a boat named after her.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:34:07pm |
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:34:43pm |
re: #466 Nimed
Shrug. Bagua, I think we are at an end of our discussion here. You are now in "vague and unsupported assertion" mode. When you decide that you can provide support for any of the claims you've made, we can resume our discussion. You can start here:
Most [terrorist attacks ] are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second.
Ok, you are being an asshole now, repeating the same shit in bold over and over again. I gave you a list, idiot, and highlighted the Fatah linked terrorist attacks.
Anyway, it is clear you and Darthstar are trolling.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:35:37pm |
re: #465 Bagua
I bolded the Fatah "military wing" in each case. Of the other notable attacks, the majority are other Fatah stooges such as "palestinian authority police. You missed that as you seem to miss most points on this subject.
You have me examples of 4 terrorist attacks executed by the military wing of Fatah in 5 years, the last one occurring in 2008. How does that demonstrate that:
Most [terrorist attacks ] are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:35:50pm |
re: #467 darthstar
Rachel Corrie was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened. I admire her guts in standing up to the bulldozers, but a lot of people will celebrate her death because to them she was just some stupid American bitch getting involved in something she shouldn't have. Sad, really. I didn't know she had a boat named after her.
Troll.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:36:41pm |
re: #462 Gus 802
Well, there's another ship heading their way. The MV Rachel Corrie.
Is Jeremy Irons on board?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:37:10pm |
re: #467 darthstar
"Tragic" works in her case because she fell due to her own tragic flaw: a grave moral blindness that kept her from knowing who the right side was. Her determination was wasted in the service of a vile cause. She does not deserve to be honored.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:37:30pm |
re: #470 Bagua
Ok, you are being an asshole now, repeating the same shit in bold over and over again. I gave you a list, idiot, and highlighted the Fatah linked terrorist attacks.
Anyway, it is clear you and Darthstar are trolling.
You're proving something that nobody questioned in the first place, and repeatedly failing to prove something you yourself asserted. Now you're insulting me. Fuck off.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 10:37:41pm |
re: #473 Cato the Elder
Is Jeremy Irons on board?
I just read this. Don't know. Jeremy Irons is actually with this group?
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:38:34pm |
re: #470 Bagua
Ok, you are being an asshole now, repeating the same shit in bold over and over again. I gave you a list, idiot, and highlighted the Fatah linked terrorist attacks.
Anyway, it is clear you and Darthstar are trolling.
Hey...what trolling have I done? I've not attacked you, or anyone else here. I have said I think Mandy's comments are to be disregarded, but that's not trolling. She's man enough to handle anything I say to/about her.
The only other things I've written in the last half hour have been a correction (removing a period) to Nimed's link, a joke about Kias and Korea/North Korea, and a verse response to Cato's poem about moonbats...which, I will say, was pretty good given I only spent about 35 seconds writing the damn thing.
So please, don't tell me I'm trolling...
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:38:51pm |
re: #471 Nimed
You have me examples of 4 terrorist attacks executed by the military wing of Fatah in 5 years, the last one occurring in 2008. How does that demonstrate that:
Most [terrorist attacks ] are Fatah, some are Hamas but they are a distant second.
Because if you examine terrorist attacks during that time period you will see that those were the most prominent and successful ones, aposite to my point. Of the rest, only a few are Hamas and the rest are likely Fatah affiliates.
I also gave you a list for a much longer period and told you to do a little research. I'm not giving you a thesis here.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 10:40:07pm |
re: #467 darthstar
Rachel Corrie was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened. I admire her guts in standing up to the bulldozers, but a lot of people will celebrate her death because to them she was just some stupid American bitch getting involved in something she shouldn't have. Sad, really. I didn't know she had a boat named after her.
You're right..she was stupid, but she was also complicit in helping terrorists and their sympathizers. Didn't have enough common sense to pour piss out of a boot, so she got run over by a Cat and was immediately "martyred".
F**k her and the "Free Gaza" assholes that were/are trying to be like her...
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:40:23pm |
re: #474 Dark_Falcon
"Tragic" works in her case because she fell due to her own tragic flaw: a grave moral blindness that kept her from knowing who the right side was. Her determination was wasted in the service of a vile cause. She does not deserve to be honored.
She was protesting the demolition of homes, not defending rocket attacks on Israeli civilians. What's vile about that?
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 10:40:42pm |
re: #476 Gus 802
I just read this. Don't know. Jeremy Irons is actually with this group?
I thought it was a joke, though I didn't get it. Chalked it up to my own ignorance about something.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:41:21pm |
re: #472 Bagua
Troll.
Troll? I've never been called a troll before (seriously). Updinged for originality!
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:41:30pm |
re: #467 darthstar
Rachel Corrie was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened. I admire her guts in standing up to the bulldozers, but a lot of people will celebrate her death because to them she was just some stupid American bitch getting involved in something she shouldn't have. Sad, really. I didn't know she had a boat named after her.
I'm not celebrating her death. She was a stupid American bitch who got involved in things she didn't understand, though. A cat's paw, like the retarded "peace activists" aboard the "flotilla of freedom".
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:41:33pm |
re: #469 Gus 802
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Some 'choice' excerpts:
Instead, the international condemnation of the raid — unprecedented in scope and ferocity — appeared likely to increase pressure to end the embargo that has plunged Gaza's 1.5 million residents deeper into poverty.
srael's international image had already taken a beating from allegations that it committed war crimes during its 2008-2009 winter war in Gaza, and from widespread global opposition to the blockade, which Egypt helps enforce. Hamas was also accused of rights violations in that conflict.
Fucking LSM reporting.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:41:34pm |
re: #460 eclectic infidel
Hezbollah has already declared war on Israel. Anything Israel does now is an act of self-defense.
It's a more complicated than that. If a terrorist group in the US declared war on another country, that country wouldn't have the right to attack this group in US soil.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 10:41:43pm |
re: #481 JasonA
I thought it was a joke, though I didn't get it. Chalked it up to my own ignorance about something.
Yeah, thought it might be a joke. What with all that iron.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:43:33pm |
re: #476 Gus 802
I just read this. Don't know. Jeremy Irons is actually with this group?
Irons wrote a play about Corrie's "martyrdom" and "murder". Israelis countered with a long, long list of all the Rachels murdered in the intifuckda.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:44:18pm |
re: #477 darthstar
Hey...what trolling have I done?
Rachel Corrie was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened. I admire her guts in standing up to the bulldozers.
That statement is meant to cause reaction.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:44:37pm |
re: #483 Cato the Elder
I'm not celebrating her death. She was a stupid American bitch who got involved in things she didn't understand, though. A cat's paw, like the retarded "peace activists" aboard the "flotilla of freedom".
Ever had sex with a passionately devoted activist? They'll rock your fucking world.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:45:01pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:46:03pm |
re: #480 darthstar
She was protesting the demolition of homes, not defending rocket attacks on Israeli civilians. What's vile about that?
Those homes concealed the exits of smuggling tunnels used to bring rockets, AKs, and other weapons into Gaza. They were thus legitimate targets for demolition.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:46:33pm |
re: #489 darthstar
Ever had sex with a passionately devoted activist? They'll rock your fucking world.
Passion is a mental illness and should be treated as such.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 10:46:43pm |
Kinda surprised her other name hasn't come up yet...
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 10:47:08pm |
re: #487 Cato the Elder
Irons wrote a play about Corrie's "martyrdom" and "murder". Israelis countered with a long, long list of all the Rachels murdered in the intifuckda.
That's disappointing. I like Irons.
I'm not to familiar with this but she shouldn't have been there in the first place. They were clearing homes near the Egyptian border to cut down on smuggling (arms), closing tunnels and for eliminating hideouts.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:47:18pm |
re: #478 Bagua
Because if you examine terrorist attacks during that time period you will see that those were the most prominent and successful ones, aposite to my point. Of the rest, only a few are Hamas and the rest are likely Fatah affiliates.
I also gave you a list for a much longer period and told you to do a little research. I'm not giving you a thesis here.
That little research is something that Israel herself isn't aware of, apparently, since their biggest problem is with Hamas, and Israel government's negotiations, however feeble and indirect, are with Fatah.
[Link: www.ynet.co.il...]
May 8th, 2010
PLO, Fatah approve proximity talks
Official sources in Ramallah say Palestine Liberation Organization, Fatah central committee approve indirect talks with Israel; senior PA official says decision premised on US pledges, guarantees
The Palestine Liberation Organization has approved together with the Fatah's central committee the American proposal for indirect negotiations with Israel, which have been dubbed 'proximity talks', sources in Ramallah said Saturday.
PA President Mahmoud Abbas' right-hand man, Yasser Abed Rabbo, said the decision was "mostly premised on pledges and guarantees made by the Americans to the Palestinian side in respect to the issue of settlements and the basis for negotiations – Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the Road Map, and the Arab peace initiative."
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:47:38pm |
re: #488 Bagua
Rachel Corrie was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened. I admire her guts in standing up to the bulldozers.
That statement is meant to cause reaction.
She was protesting the demolition of Palestinian homes. Period. What's so hard about that for you to understand? If some government agency was bulldozing homes in your neighborhood, wouldn't you want someone to stand up for your right to have a place to live?
(yes, I know, the demolitions were retaliations for rocket attacks, and thus are justified in your mind)
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 10:48:13pm |
re: #489 darthstar
Ever had sex with a passionately devoted activist? They'll rock your fucking world.
Nice try at redirection, but not really. As for "activists" such as the dearly departed Corrie, beauty is only skin-deep, but (an) ugly (personality) goes down to the f**king bone...
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, May 31, 2010 10:48:33pm |
Is there anyway to embed a photo on LGF pages?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:48:46pm |
re: #489 darthstar
I'd never have sex with someone whose views I despise. It could only be done without emotional connection, and that kind of empty sex is pathetic in my eyes.
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darthstar Mon, May 31, 2010 10:49:37pm |
re: #491 Dark_Falcon
Those homes concealed the exits of smuggling tunnels used to bring rockets, AKs, and other weapons into Gaza. They were thus legitimate targets for demolition.
They were retaliations for attacks on Israel--homes of people related to suicide bombers. They weren't smuggling tunnels, and Israel admitted as much. At least they're honest about why they demolished homes...I'll give Israel that much.
And with that, I'm off to bed.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:50:02pm |
re: #497 darthstar
She was a tool and a terrorist sympathiser. I don't care about the Paliwood or the Daily Kos version.
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DodgerFan1988 Mon, May 31, 2010 10:50:04pm |
Idi Amin would be pround of these Evangelicals.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:50:10pm |
re: #493 JasonA
Kinda surprised her other name hasn't come up yet...
It's rather mean and no longer has the support here it once did. But if people try to glorify Corrie here, it'll be back.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 10:51:08pm |
re: #497 darthstar
She was protesting the demolition of Palestinian homes. Period. What's so hard about that for you to understand? If some government agency was bulldozing homes in your neighborhood, wouldn't you want someone to stand up for your right to have a place to live?
(yes, I know, the demolitions were retaliations for rocket attacks, and thus are justified in your mind)
Nice try trying to ignore/marginalize what DF and Cato said about this, but you're rolling snake eyes...
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:51:17pm |
re: #497 darthstar
She was protesting the demolition of Palestinian homes. Period. What's so hard about that for you to understand? If some government agency was bulldozing homes in your neighborhood, wouldn't you want someone to stand up for your right to have a place to live?
(yes, I know, the demolitions were retaliations for rocket attacks, and thus are justified in your mind)
No, dickweed, the demolitions were targeted at "homes" that hid tunnels used to smuggle in weapons to Gaza.
It really is too bad about Corrie, though. She was meant to live and meet her heartthrob boyfriend. Can you imagine the snarling babies those two would have spawned?
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 10:51:44pm |
re: #501 darthstar
They were retaliations for attacks on Israel--homes of people related to suicide bombers. They weren't smuggling tunnels, and Israel admitted as much. At least they're honest about why they demolished homes...I'll give Israel that much.
And with that, I'm off to bed.
No it wasn't. She was their essentially aiding the enemy during the Second Intifada. They weren't knocking down the house for retaliation. It was being knocked down to eliminate hideouts. This was near the Egyptian border.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 10:51:55pm |
re: #463 darthstar
Mandy's rhetoric is just Mandy playing to what she thinks is the majority opinion at a give time. It's best not to take what she says seriously. And her Obama Derangement Syndrome is unequaled here...so that's something else to consider.
I rather think it's Mandy exploding with rage, writing something patently absurd, and being too proud to admit she was wrong later.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, May 31, 2010 10:52:04pm |
re: #467 darthstar
Rachel Corrie was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened. I admire her guts in standing up to the bulldozers, but a lot of people will celebrate her death because to them she was just some stupid American bitch getting involved in something she shouldn't have. Sad, really. I didn't know she had a boat named after her.
Her death is celebrated by the Israel haters on a constant basis - she serves as a convenient medium from which to demonstrate just how cruel Israel is. The real tragedy I suppose is that members of the International Solidarity Movement were nearby with video cameras, watching the incident unfold, but took no action to save the naive, biased, and stupid young woman. Rachel Corrie's parents pimp their daughter's death to friendly crowds at Sabeel conferences, usually held at Presbyterian churches here in Northern California.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 10:52:41pm |
Hello Lizards!
I decided not to do any laundry tonite. Do you think that is evil?. Somehow, I think there is someone out there who would find a passage in the Bible to prove that it is.
How are you-all?
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abolitionist Mon, May 31, 2010 10:53:27pm |
re: #479 talon_262
You're right..she was stupid, but she was also complicit in helping terrorists and their sympathizers. Didn't have enough common sense to pour piss out of a boot, so she got run over by a Cat and was immediately "martyred".
F**k her and the "Free Gaza" assholes that were/are trying to be like her...
I'd be curious about whether the MV Rachel Corrie is currently insured to a degree that is beyond normal levels.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:53:34pm |
re: #501 darthstar
They were retaliations for attacks on Israel--homes of people related to suicide bombers. They weren't smuggling tunnels, and Israel admitted as much. At least they're honest about why they demolished homes...I'll give Israel that much.
And with that, I'm off to bed.
And you're right about me: I do think demolitions as retaliation justified. If Palis want to support terror attacks and hide terror weapons, then they should pay a price for having done so. Actions have consequences.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 10:54:57pm |
re: #510 ggt
Hello Lizards!
I decided not to do any laundry tonite. Do you think that is evil?. Somehow, I think there is someone out there who would find a passage in the Bible to prove that it is.
How are you-all?
I actually did my laundry tonight, but I'm still not feeling well and my cough is not going away. Have to call my doctor again tomorrow.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 10:55:06pm |
Here's a tip.
Even if your standing in front of a house on a tranquil beautiful day in Anytown, USA, and that house is about to be demolished with a bulldozer you'll probably get yourself killed.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 10:55:15pm |
re: #511 abolitionist
I'd be curious about whether the MV Rachel Corrie is currently insured to a degree that is beyond normal levels.
I doubt Lloyd's (or any credible insurer/underwriter) would touch that ship with a 3-meter pole...
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goddamnedfrank Mon, May 31, 2010 10:55:22pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 10:55:55pm |
re: #513 Dark_Falcon
I actually did my laundry tonight, but I'm still not feeling well and my cough is not going away. Have to call my doctor again tomorrow.
Well, I feel better, at least someone's laundry is done.
Feel better! Lately, it seems as tho the coughs hang on forever.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 10:56:20pm |
re: #514 Gus 802
Here's a tip.
Even if your standing in front of a house on a tranquil beautiful day in Anytown, USA, and that house is about to be demolished with a bulldozer you'll probably get yourself killed.
Actually, I think I'd get out of the way.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 10:57:38pm |
re: #518 ggt
Actually, I think I'd get out of the way.
Yep.
Here's another tip.
Never swing a metal pipe at a cop or IDF soldier.
Hey, I might have a future here. I can be the Gaza Safety Guy™
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 10:58:06pm |
re: #514 Gus 802
I'd dispute that. American bulldozers tend not to have armor plating that restricts vision. Because, you know, ours aren't surrounded by peaceful people who could open fire at any time...
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 10:58:09pm |
re: #496 Nimed
That's not my point and quite shallow to the discussion. I'm fully aware that the PLO is playing a political game, always has. Arafat was forever in and out of "negotiations" in between "trying to restrain" the terrorists he funded and controlled.
There are no good terrorist groups, but there are those who negotiate and those who are honest and refuse to negotiate. It is a simple fact that Fatah groups have been more successful in notable attacks, not that hamas is not vile and murderous and has also perpetrated atrocities.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 10:58:36pm |
re: #511 abolitionist
I'd be curious about whether the MV Rachel Corrie is currently insured to a degree that is beyond normal levels.
I give, what does "MV" stand-for?
Miserable Vessel?
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 10:58:47pm |
re: #516 goddamnedfrank
Rachel Corrie, martyred by Caterpillar
Steve Irwin, martyred by Sting RayBoth Steve and Rachel posthumously have boats named after them, these boats are crewed exclusively by douchebags.
We're through the looking glass here people.
If Steve Irwin were able to manifest himself from beyond the grave, I'd like to hope he'd haunt the Sea Shepard assholes for sullying his name.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 10:59:14pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 11:00:01pm |
re: #522 ggt
I give, what does "MV" stand-for?
Miserable Vessel?
MV = Motor Vessel, just as the old designation for sailing ships was primarily SS.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:00:24pm |
re: #520 JasonA
I'd dispute that. American bulldozers tend not to have armor plating that restricts vision. Because, you know, ours aren't surrounded by peaceful people who could open fire at any time...
You know, even without the armor plating, I think I'd get out of the way.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 11:00:27pm |
re: #516 goddamnedfrank
Rachel Corrie, martyred by Caterpillar
Steve Irwin, martyred by Sting RayBoth Steve and Rachel posthumously have boats named after them, these boats are crewed exclusively by douchebags.
We're through the looking glass here people.
True but the comparison only goes so far. The Sea Shepherds, despite the asshole things they often do, have a just cause in opposing Antarctic whaling. They also do not engage in or support violence. By contrast. the IHH (the organization behind the Gaza Flotilla) is an Islamist organization that supports the use of murderous tactics against Israel and whose members just ambushed Israelis sent to search their ship.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:00:48pm |
re: #520 JasonA
I'd dispute that. American bulldozers tend not to have armor plating that restricts vision. Because, you know, ours aren't surrounded by peaceful people who could open fire at any time...
Yeah. Technicalities. OK, don't kneel in front of a D9.
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abolitionist Mon, May 31, 2010 11:01:10pm |
re: #522 ggt
I give, what does "MV" stand-for?
Miserable Vessel?
Don't know, but you've aroused my curiousity.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:01:39pm |
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 11:01:56pm |
re: #519 Gus 802
Safety tip for humanitarians who want to help the people of Gaza: fuck it. Try Darfur instead.
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Cato the Elder Mon, May 31, 2010 11:02:11pm |
Let's say, somewhere along the US-Mexican border, a bunch of intrepid cholos start building tunnels to smuggle in drugs, weapons and cholos. And the US side figures out that the tunnels come out on the American side underneath certain people's houses.
How long till the Caterpillars come in and knock them down?
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 11:02:11pm |
re: #392 JasonA
My beef is with the other part of your remark, which kind of supported Hezbollah. Telling the head of state of a country that gives you lots of bombs and bullets to kill people with to stfu is incredibly insulting, though.
JasonA, I never wrote a single word of support for Hezbollah. I'm giving my opinion that Mandy's suggestions would be disastrous for Israel. I asserted that Syria and Lebanon had a write to trade weapons because I was not aware of all the conditions of Resolution 1701 in one comment (which I myself corrected 15 minutes later). But this knowledge doesn't change the fact that Mandy's suggested course of action would be potentially catastrophic for Israel.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, May 31, 2010 11:02:28pm |
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:03:13pm |
re: #532 JasonA
Safety tip for humanitarians who want to help the people of Gaza: fuck it. Try Darfur instead.
But I was going for the Fire Marshall Bill effect.
//Hey kids! Let me show you something.
/
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 11:03:58pm |
re: #533 Cato the Elder
Let's say, somewhere along the US-Mexican border, a bunch of intrepid cholos start building tunnels to smuggle in drugs, weapons and cholos. And the US side figures out that the tunnels come out on the American side underneath certain people's houses.
How long till the Caterpillars come in and knock them down?
Not very long.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:04:08pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 11:04:21pm |
re: #527 Dark_Falcon
True but the comparison only goes so far. The Sea Shepherds, despite the asshole things they often do, have a just cause in opposing Antarctic whaling. They also do not engage in or support violence. By contrast. the IHH (the organization behind the Gaza Flotilla) is an Islamist organization that supports the use of murderous tactics against Israel and whose members just ambushed Israelis sent to search their ship.
The Sea Shepards may have a just cause in opposing whaling, but they've been near or on the wrong side of maritime law and conduct quite a few times, IIRC.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 11:04:28pm |
re: #534 Nimed
Wow. That comment was a long time ago.
No, I got that you were sticking up for sovereignty, and you're right to do so. That said Lebanon has a responsibility of its own to deal with Hezbollah, and if the won't...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 11:04:28pm |
re: #536 Gus 802
But I was going for the Fire Marshall Bill effect.
//Hey kids! Let me show you something.
/
Darwin Akbar!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:05:04pm |
re: #538 Dark_Falcon
Not very long.
Well, first they'd have to win the bid. It could be another Vehicles of Destruction company that get's the contract.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, May 31, 2010 11:06:04pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:06:15pm |
Remember those T-shirts that had the Caterpiller Bulldozer on them and below it the saying "got syrup?"
for some reason, I still chuckle when I think if it.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 11:06:35pm |
re: #540 talon_262
The Sea Shepards may have a just cause in opposing whaling, but they've been near or on the wrong side of maritime law and conduct quite a few times, IIRC.
Very true. I don't dispute that. I was mostly just trying to point out that despite those bad actions (and they are bad, and do deserve punishment), they are still nowhere near as bad as the Islamists.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:06:49pm |
re: #544 Cannadian Club Akbar
K. I haved worked on a D8. Awesome machine.
Looking at the Cat site. The D9R used is about $540,000. Wow, that's pricey.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 11:06:54pm |
re: #521 Bagua
That's not my point and quite shallow to the discussion. I'm fully aware that the PLO is playing a political game, always has. Arafat was forever in and out of "negotiations" in between "trying to restrain" the terrorists he funded and controlled.
There are no good terrorist groups, but there are those who negotiate and those who are honest and refuse to negotiate. It is a simple fact that Fatah groups have been more successful in notable attacks, not that hamas is not vile and murderous and has also perpetrated atrocities.
Look, every political group with terrorist connections plays political games. It has been the case with Sinn Fein and IRA, ETA, etc. I take that for granted.
That doesn't change the fact that Fatah is still the best hope (at the moment) for a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As I said before, that isn't saying much -- I'm not singing and dancing and cheering for Fatah here.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, May 31, 2010 11:07:47pm |
re: #547 Gus 802
Looking at the Cat site. The D9R used is about $540,000. Wow, that's pricey.
Look up a 365 Hoe.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 11:07:59pm |
re: #545 ggt
Remember those T-shirts that had the Caterpiller Bulldozer on them and below it the saying "got syrup?"
for some reason, I still chuckle when I think if it.
And it's still as tasteless and tacky now as it was then...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 11:08:00pm |
re: #541 JasonA
Wow. That comment was a long time ago.
No, I got that you were sticking up for sovereignty, and you're right to do so. That said Lebanon has a responsibility of its own to deal with Hezbollah, and if the won't...
And Lebanon won't do anything, since Hezbollah has veto power in that nations cabinet.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:08:01pm |
re: #547 Gus 802
Looking at the Cat site. The D9R used is about $540,000. Wow, that's pricey.
How much for a government contract?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:08:54pm |
re: #549 Gus 802
Careful now ggt.
oh, is there some new rule I am in danger of violating?
I'm not here as often as I used to be and don't always get the memos.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:09:17pm |
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:10:07pm |
re: #554 ggt
oh, is there some new rule I am in danger of violating?
I'm not here as often as I used to be and don't always get the memos.
Yeah. The whole thing about that which you were alluding to. Kind of frowned upon.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:10:16pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:10:45pm |
re: #556 Gus 802
Yeah. The whole thing about that which you were alluding to. Kind of frowned upon.
ok
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, May 31, 2010 11:10:45pm |
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 11:11:01pm |
re: #541 JasonA
Wow. That comment was a long time ago.
No, I got that you were sticking up for sovereignty, and you're right to do so. That said Lebanon has a responsibility of its own to deal with Hezbollah, and if the won't...
The problem is "Lebanon" does not exert its sovereignty. It permits, or aids, or is forced to allow an Iranian proxy terrorist group and Syria to arm itself and use the country to prepare for war with Israel. What Israel has always wanted is for a sovereign Lebanon to take responsibility for its security.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 11:11:25pm |
re: #554 ggt
oh, is there some new rule I am in danger of violating?
I'm not here as often as I used to be and don't always get the memos.
There was a discussion where it was decided that "St. Pancake" was nasty and in bad taste. It's not being used right now, but like I said: If people glorify her here, it'll come back.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:12:06pm |
re: #561 Dark_Falcon
There was a discussion where it was decided that "St. Pancake" was nasty and in bad taste. It's not being used right now, but like I said: If people glorify her here, it'll come back.
yep
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:12:09pm |
re: #559 Cannadian Club Akbar
17 Gallons of oil. About 175 in the hydraulic tank.
[Link: catused.cat.com...]
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 11:13:21pm |
re: #554 ggt
oh, is there some new rule I am in danger of violating?
I'm not here as often as I used to be and don't always get the memos.
No, it's just that the whole Rachel Corrie/St. Pancake thing is still as crude and crude now as it was back in the "bad old days" when it was a popular catchphrase (hell, a Lizard was named St. Pancake, ferchristsakes!). It's just a horrible way to die, no matter who you are...
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:14:15pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 11:14:30pm |
re: #564 talon_262
Oops, meant "crude and cruel"...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:14:52pm |
re: #564 talon_262
No, it's just that the whole Rachel Corrie/St. Pancake thing is still as crude and crude now as it was back in the "bad old days" when it was a popular catchphrase (hell, a Lizard was named St. Pancake, ferchristsakes!). It's just a horrible way to die, no matter who you are...
You know, I think I am going to refrain from further comment on this topic.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:15:36pm |
So, how is the weather where you-all are?
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 31, 2010 11:15:55pm |
re: #568 ggt
You know, I think I am going to refrain from further comment on this topic.
It's cool...don't sweat it.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 31, 2010 11:16:31pm |
I've got an early wake-up time, so I'm going to head to bed.
Goodnight, all.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:16:46pm |
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 11:18:45pm |
re: #548 Nimed
Look, every political group with terrorist connections plays political games. It has been the case with Sinn Fein and IRA, ETA, etc. I take that for granted.
That doesn't change the fact that Fatah is still the best hope (at the moment) for a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As I said before, that isn't saying much -- I'm not singing and dancing and cheering for Fatah here.
Ok, just don't jump all over Mandy for not being so infernally politically correct. We all want peace, love and unicorns, but if the IRA starts importing ballistic missiles then all bets are off. You must be familiar with the thousands of missiles that Iran/Hezbollah rained on Israel? Now, despite an unenforced SC resolution Hezbollah not only has more missiles, it is receiving missiles that can hit Israel's biggest cities. That is an intolerable threat and those missile should be destroyed.
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ClaudeMonet Mon, May 31, 2010 11:20:53pm |
re: #395 Bagua
Actually quite irrelevant. This was a problem well and BP and the MMS just ignored it. Nobody will make the same series of mistakes again.
They'll come up with new mistakes. It's endemic to the "ull bidness", as it's called in my one-time residential state of Oklahoma. In fact, it's endemic to all businesses; as soon as you fix one problem, a hitherto unknown problem will crop up.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:20:57pm |
re: #573 Bagua
Ok, just don't jump all over Mandy for not being so infernally politically correct. We all want peace, love and unicorns, but if the IRA starts importing ballistic missiles then all bets are off. You must be familiar with the thousands of missiles that Iran/Hezbollah rained on Israel? Now, despite an unenforced SC resolution Hezbollah not only has more missiles, it is receiving missiles that can hit Israel's biggest cities. That is an intolerable threat and those missile should be destroyed.
The whole area is a chess board for whom ever can buy into the game. I just sucks that so many are willing to be pawns.
Beyond that, any understanding of the situation is way above my pay-grade.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 31, 2010 11:22:45pm |
re: #328 Dark_Falcon
You go kick his ass. That's what good brother do when their sibling has gone around the bend.
A very good friend of mine is a 9/11 truther, and I'm not going to go kick her ass. She's just...prone to these things. ;-)
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 11:22:52pm |
re: #541 JasonA
Wow. That comment was a long time ago.
No, I got that you were sticking up for sovereignty, and you're right to do so. That said Lebanon has a responsibility of its own to deal with Hezbollah, and if the won't...
Sorry, missed your comment in the initial outburst of replies. :)
I agree with you. But Israel should make the best case of a violation of Resolution 1701, be open about at least part of the satellite evidence (personally, I'm burned in the evidence department after all the post 9-11 shit), and ensure at least the support of the US before committing an act of war. Israel has overwhelming military superiority over Lebanon, but if there's a full scale war (not outside the realm of possibility), heavy loss of life is virtually guaranteed. Besides, I think we can all agree that one of Israel's biggest problems at the moment is a PR problem.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 11:26:56pm |
Sexiest drug kingpin ever: Image: sanclemente.jpg
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:27:40pm |
re: #577 Nimed
Sorry, missed your comment in the initial outburst of replies. :)
I agree with you. But Israel should make the best case of a violation of Resolution 1701, be open about at least part of the satellite evidence (personally, I'm burned in the evidence department after all the post 9-11 shit), and ensure at least the support of the US before committing an act of war. Israel has overwhelming military superiority over Lebanon, but if there's a full scale war (not outside the realm of possibility), heavy loss of life is virtually guaranteed. Besides, I think we can all agree that one of Israel's biggest problems at the moment is a PR problem.
It's the old idea that if someone is doing well, it must be at the expense of someone else. I never quite understand that one.
Since Israel can stand on her own two feet just fine, it must be because she is trampling all over (insert dysfunctional group name here).
I'm glad I am not a PR person.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 11:28:14pm |
re: #574 ClaudeMonet
They'll come up with new mistakes. It's endemic to the "ull bidness", as it's called in my one-time residential state of Oklahoma. In fact, it's endemic to all businesses; as soon as you fix one problem, a hitherto unknown problem will crop up.
Not really. This was a series of mistakes unlikely to be repeated in US waters. I'm not even referring to the last six or ten errors. The well was never under control, they knew this for months. They took a series gamble to save a pile of money.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 31, 2010 11:28:24pm |
Overnight thread is up and my cue to log-off for the night.
Have a good one all!
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 11:29:18pm |
re: #581 ggt
Overnight thread is up and my cue to log-off for the night.
Have a good one all!
Heh, you're so disciplined. Good night.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:30:00pm |
What the...
I finally saw a picture of that sinkhole.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 31, 2010 11:30:30pm |
re: #583 Gus 802
What the...
I finally saw a picture of that sinkhole.
Weird, isn't it? It's so damn smooth.
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Gus Mon, May 31, 2010 11:31:00pm |
re: #584 JasonA
Weird, isn't it? It's so damn smooth.
Look unreal. Like a special effects project or something.
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Nimed Mon, May 31, 2010 11:35:57pm |
re: #573 Bagua
Ok, just don't jump all over Mandy for not being so infernally politically correct.
I was called anti-Israel in this thread (which is why I insulted Mandy), and pro-Hezbollah in another thread, which I had decided to let go up until now. How would you like that? Also in this thread, I accepted Mandy's request for proof and she responded in this manner:
Oh, bullfuckingshit. FATAH IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
So pardon me for not being unfailingly polite to Mandy. If she bites, I'll bite back.
if the IRA starts importing ballistic missiles then all bets are off. You must be familiar with the thousands of missiles that Iran/Hezbollah rained on Israel? Now, despite an unenforced SC resolution Hezbollah not only has more missiles, it is receiving missiles that can hit Israel's biggest cities. That is an intolerable threat and those missile should be destroyed.
I of course agree that the missiles should be destroyed. But I disagree that the greatest threat to Israel's existence are the missiles. To repeat myself, this is a fucked up situation, but the most difficult fight for Israel right now is not in a battlefield.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 11:37:44pm |
re: #577 Nimed
Sorry, missed your comment in the initial outburst of replies. :)
I agree with you. But Israel should make the best case of a violation of Resolution 1701, ...
Last month, Defense Minister Ehud Barak told U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney that "the number of missiles in the hands of Hizbullah has doubled, if not tripled, and that the range of the missiles has been extended. And this has been accomplished with the close assistance of the Syrians."
Link
In plain violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1701, Iran has not only completely re-equipped Hezbollah since the 2006 war with Israel, but the longer reach of Hezbollah's rockets now endangers Israel's entire civilian population. Moreover, Hamas's rocket capabilities could easily be substantially enhanced to provide greater range and payload to strike throughout Israel, creating a two-front challenge.
link
The smuggling and presence of such weapons stands in direct contravention of UN Security Council Resolution 1701
Israel protests Hizbullah violations of UNSC 1701
The case has been made repeatedly.
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Bagua Mon, May 31, 2010 11:47:29pm |
re: #587 Nimed
I of course agree that the missiles should be destroyed. But I disagree that the greatest threat to Israel's existence are the missiles. To repeat myself, this is a fucked up situation, but the most difficult fight for Israel right now is not in a battlefield.
Yep, that's cool. We all agree then. You just want more decorum. I'm more cynical because I know what the game is. Those missiles are an unacceptable threat in the hands of a terrorist group who recently showered the Israeli civilian population with thousands of missiles.
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Nimed Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:22:31am |
re: #588 Bagua
Thanks for that. To reinforce the point of your link, Ehud Barak's declarations were supported by an UN task force. The third link is also very well documented.
Now please keep your temper in check as I make the following point -- Israel has also repeatedly violated Resolution 1701.
[Link: www.worldtribune.com...]
Israel has confronted Germany near Lebanon in the latest of a series of incidents.
For the second time in less than a week, Germany reported that Israel Air Force aircraft confronted a German Navy vessel off the coast of Lebanon. The German Defense Ministry said Israeli F-16 fighter-jets buzzed the Alster and fired over the intelligence-gathering vessel. No casualties were reported, Middle East Newsline reported.
In an additional incident, an official said on Oct. 29 that Israeli warplanes sought to intimidate a German Navy helicopter. He said the helicopter flew in an area reserved for Israeli air training. He said the Defense Ministry plans to discuss the issue with Israel.
Berlin said Israeli warplanes have been intimidating German air and naval patrols involved in the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon mission. UNIFIL has sought to enforce a ceasefire that began on Aug. 14 and ended the 34-day Israel-Hizbullah war.
(...)
Last week, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz relayed assurances that Israeli warplanes would not hamper UNIFIL operations. The two men urged UNIFIL to coordinate missions with Israel.
(...)
On Oct. 24, Israeli F-16 jets confronted a German Navy helicopter and warship off the coast of Lebanon. The Israeli military said no shots were fired.
"This is exactly the sort of incident which I have always said would happen and which the government said was impossible," Guido Westerwelle, head of Germany's opposition Liberals Party, said.
[Link: www.presstv.ir...]
Israeli fighter jets invade Lebanese airspace almost on a daily basis and break sound barriers over several villages in southern parts of the country. The violations come amid heightened concern in Lebanon over recent Israeli threats and provocations against the country.
The UN considers the Israeli violation of Lebanese airspace to be against Security Council Resolution 1701, which brought an end to the Israeli offensive against Lebanon in 2006.
[Link: www.securitycouncilreport.org...]
Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace, considered a breach of resolution 1701, have continued. The Israeli government claims that its over-flights are justified until the arms embargo is fully implemented.
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Nimed Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:28:48am |
re: #588 Bagua
The case has been made repeatedly.
I agree with you -- you've made your point. Furthermore, it's fair to say that Lebanon's violations of Resolution 1701 are more serious than Israel's.
The question here is how should Israel go about this. Guaranteeing the support of the US is, in my v
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Nimed Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:34:39am |
re: #589 Bagua
Gah. Bagua, I just lost 9/10 of the latest comment. Not going to write that again right now (perhaps later). The general subject was how Israel should handle the conflict with Lebanon. If you have some thoughts on this, I'll be checking the thread later or tomorrow.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:36:11am |
re: #590 Nimed
Thanks for that. To reinforce the point of your link, Ehud Barak's declarations were supported by an UN task force. The third link is also very well documented.
Now please keep your temper in check as I make the following point -- Israel has also repeatedly violated Resolution 1701.
Why should that make me mad? This is all documented. Israel feels the need to make overflights because UNIFIL is not enforcing the Resolution and Syria, Iran and Hezbolla import missiles and build bunkers at a furious rate. I side with Israel in this case. Flying over the country to take pictures of the missiles does not equate with importing the missiles to fire at Israeli cities.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:41:15am |
re: #592 Nimed
Gah. Bagua, I just lost 9/10 of the latest comment. Not going to write that again right now (perhaps later). The general subject was how Israel should handle the conflict with Lebanon. If you have some thoughts on this, I'll be checking the thread later or tomorrow.
Israel has two choices, to simplify a bit, they can destroy the missiles now, while they are sitting ducks, or they can wait for the next round when they are fired at Haifa and Tel Aviv and hope that they miss. It is their call as they will be the ones on the receiving end of the missiles.
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Nimed Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:36:31am |
re: #593 Bagua
Why should that make me mad? This is all documented. Israel feels the need to make overflights because UNIFIL is not enforcing the Resolution and Syria, Iran and Hezbolla import missiles and build bunkers at a furious rate. I side with Israel in this case. Flying over the country to take pictures of the missiles does not equate with importing the missiles to fire at Israeli cities.
All violations of air space were not carried out with the purpose of taking pictures. From link above:
For the second time in less than a week, Germany reported that Israel Air Force aircraft confronted a German Navy vessel off the coast of Lebanon. The German Defense Ministry said Israeli F-16 fighter-jets buzzed the Alster and fired over the intelligence-gathering vessel.No casualties were reported, Middle East Newsline reported.
But let's assume all Israel wants when it violates Lebanese airspace is gather inteligence. International supervising bodies can't simply assume that one country's violations are alright while the other country's are bad. You are convinced that this is the case, but you should recognize that others won't see it that way. Every time you violate the terms of the cease-fire you are muddying the waters as far as 3rd parties are concerned. That said, Lebanon's violations are indeed potentially much more harmful than Israel's.
Israel has two choices, to simplify a bit, they can destroy the missiles now, while they are sitting ducks, or they can wait for the next round when they are fired at Haifa and Tel Aviv and hope that they miss. It is their call as they will be the ones on the receiving end of the missiles.
I have problems with the rationale "we will attack country X now so X can't attack us later". Israel's military forces are vastly superior to Hezbollah's, and, in the 2006 war, Lebanon (and Hezbollah) suffered far greater casualties than Israel. If they try something, they know what's coming.
My opinion in this matter is controversial and very much subject to discussion. But whether Israel decides to attack first or not, US assent is absolutely essential -- attacking Lebanon without it will be a major blow in US-Israel relations, which can potentially cost Israel a lot more than the risk of a missile attack.
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