The IDF has posted a video with an overview of the weaponry found on the Mavi Marmara; included is captured footage showing the passengers using electric saws to dismantle their own ship, removing metal poles with which to attack the boarders.
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Four More Tears Jun 3, 2010 9:10:25am |
I’m curious to know how soon before the boarding they starting making those poles.
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Kragar Jun 3, 2010 9:10:40am |
re: #1 Alouette
These “piss activists” are so pwn3d
Except the people who support them don’t give a shit about facts.
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NJDhockeyfan Jun 3, 2010 9:11:47am |
There are some moonbat blogs claiming Israel faked the weapon photos.
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Kragar Jun 3, 2010 9:12:32am |
So apparently essential humanitarian supplies included a shit load of gas masks and body armor.
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Kragar Jun 3, 2010 9:13:28am |
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NJDhockeyfan Jun 3, 2010 9:13:32am |
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jamesfirecat Jun 3, 2010 9:13:49am |
First I’m going to attempt to make light of a serious situation in a way that directly insults no one involved…
0:54 to 1:06
In my mind: Nothing in his pockets but knives and lint….
Back to being at least serious, those are some funny looking “Life Preservers” at 0:47….
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Shiplord Kirel Jun 3, 2010 9:14:12am |
They should fly in next time. They could take their plane apart as they near Israeli airspace.
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jamesfirecat Jun 3, 2010 9:15:37am |
re: #12 Shiplord Kirel
They should fly in next time. They could take their plane apart as they near Israeli airspace.
A life raft? We’re not sinking, we’re crashing!
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comradebillyboy Jun 3, 2010 9:15:49am |
The last three IDF military adventures (south Lebanon, Gaza and this one) have not put Israeli use of force in a good light. They have done Israel far more harm than good. It would have been simple enough to disable the ship without the poorly planned and conducted commando confrontation. Sometimes I think the state of Israel is its own worst enemy.
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Bubblehead II Jun 3, 2010 9:16:44am |
re: #13 laZardo
Because they are fake. The IDF didn’t have enough time or access to the special effects stage at area 51.
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NJDhockeyfan Jun 3, 2010 9:16:46am |
re: #13 laZardo
How come there’s never any sound in these videos?
James Earl Jones would be a great narrator for these videos.
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Four More Tears Jun 3, 2010 9:16:56am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
It would have been simple enough to disable the ship without the poorly planned and conducted commando confrontation.
No, it wouldn’t have been.
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Bubblehead II Jun 3, 2010 9:17:35am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
And just how were they supposed to disable it?
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Bob Levin Jun 3, 2010 9:17:44am |
Remarkably, flying under the radar, in the magical media cloak of invisibility:
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laZardo Jun 3, 2010 9:17:45am |
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abaleh Jun 3, 2010 9:18:16am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
The last three IDF military adventures (south Lebanon, Gaza and this one) have not put Israeli use of force in a good light. They have done Israel far more harm than good. It would have been simple enough to disable the ship without the poorly planned and conducted commando confrontation. Sometimes I think the state of Israel is its own worst enemy.
I don’t know what the ultimate results of this latest “use of force” will be, but I know that South Lebanon and Gaza have been relatively quiet since those wars. We don’t fight to put ourselves in a good light, we do it to protect ourselves.
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laZardo Jun 3, 2010 9:18:32am |
re: #16 Bubblehead II
Because they are fake. The IDF didn’t have enough time or access to the special effects stage at area 51.
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Well, they didn’t have as good helmetcams as the Dutch.
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jamesfirecat Jun 3, 2010 9:18:35am |
re: #17 NJDhockeyfan
James Earl Jones would be a great narrator for these videos.
What wouldn’t James Earl Jones make a great narrator for?
(Pause)
“Goodnight room. Goodnight moon. Goodnight cow jumping over the moon. Goodnight light, and the red balloon…”
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Mad Al-Jaffee Jun 3, 2010 9:19:11am |
But they’re harmless! Just like the harmless “noisemakers” that are constantly launched over the border!
/
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ShaunP Jun 3, 2010 9:19:23am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
The last three IDF military adventures (south Lebanon, Gaza and this one) have not put Israeli use of force in a good light. They have done Israel far more harm than good. It would have been simple enough to disable the ship without the poorly planned and conducted commando confrontation. Sometimes I think the state of Israel is its own worst enemy.
What is your proposed action once the ship is disabled? I assume it would involve boarding the ship…
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Shiplord Kirel Jun 3, 2010 9:19:44am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
The last three IDF military adventures (south Lebanon, Gaza and this one) have not put Israeli use of force in a good light. They have done Israel far more harm than good. It would have been simple enough to disable the ship without the poorly planned and conducted commando confrontation. Sometimes I think the state of Israel is its own worst enemy.
Pandering to enemy media by letting them dictate your actions is a losing game.
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Cato the Elder Jun 3, 2010 9:19:49am |
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abaleh Jun 3, 2010 9:21:02am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
It would have been simple enough to disable the ship without the poorly planned and conducted commando confrontation.
First of all it’s not that simple.
Second of all, if you do disable the ship, you give the passengers the option of claiming a humanitarian crisis on board, or declaring a hunger strike, creating a long media frenzy.
the results aren’t optimal, but the only solution was a quick resolution of the problem.
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NJDhockeyfan Jun 3, 2010 9:21:40am |
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Aceofwhat? Jun 3, 2010 9:22:06am |
re: #6 lawhawk
Is there anyone more hypocritical than a journalist scorned?
jour·nal·ism
/ˈdʒɜrnlˌɪzəm/ [jur-nl-iz-uhm]
–noun
1.
an occupation which insists on transparency and free access to information from everyone, with the notable exception of journalists.
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laZardo Jun 3, 2010 9:22:59am |
re: #20 Bob Levin
Remarkably, flying under the radar, in the magical media cloak of invisibility:
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ryannon Jun 3, 2010 9:23:08am |
Golly, that’s strange: I just read an article in the French press citing an eyewitness account by a European present during the boarding. According to him, there were no metal poles, only wooden.
Normally, this video would invalidate his testimony. But I rather doubt it will make much difference to the French media.
Bad Penny Dept. wouldn’t you know it, good old Charles Enderlin (he of the Mohammed al-Dura hoax) is still working as a ‘Grand Reporter’ for France’s Channel Two. To his credit, his analyses were a tiny bit more measured that most - which may be the reason they haven’t run any of his reports since I saw the first one the morning after the boarding.
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Aceofwhat? Jun 3, 2010 9:23:43am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
The last three IDF military adventures (south Lebanon, Gaza and this one) have not put Israeli use of force in a good light. They have done Israel far more harm than good.
You’re right. Israel should start defending themselves much more aggressively.
Lord knows we would, if Mexico started lobbing rockets into south Texas.
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Bob Levin Jun 3, 2010 9:23:48am |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
You can just hear the Whrrrr of the UN investigative panel’s engines rushing into action.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Jun 3, 2010 9:24:29am |
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Shiplord Kirel Jun 3, 2010 9:24:51am |
re: #30 NJDhockeyfan
You must mean Rosie!
The Marching Morons was prophecy; Idiocracy, a documentary.
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lawhawk Jun 3, 2010 9:25:32am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
Let’s see - Hizbullah invades Israel and takes Israeli soldiers hostage and kills several others; fires thousands of rockets at Israel and Israel invades Southern Lebanon to eliminate Hizbullah’s military capabilities. Since then, Hizbullah is supposed to be disarmed under UNIFIL and UN SCR 1771. Sounds like the Israelis got that one right, even if they didn’t eradicate the Hizbullah scum (who by the simple act of surviving claim victory and now hope to take over the Lebanese government coopting UNIFIL in the process).
Hamas attempts to murder Israelis with kassams and mortars. Israel doesn’t take kindly to this following Israel’s withdrawal in 2005 in the name of peace. Israel goes in and eradicates much of Hamas’ military capabilities. Now? There aren’t as many kassams being fired - which isn’t as good as being completely kassam free, but the deterrence has been restored.
The Israeli blockade has thwarted Hamas military capabilities, and the humanitarian aid continues flowing through Israeli and Egyptian ports into Gaza such that there aren’t food or energy shortages except when Hamas purposefully tries manipulating things to create a crisis and propaganda event.
That’s what happened here too - Hamas got their supporters to engage in a violent encounter on board one of the flotilla’s ships - the rest were peacefully transited to Ashdod.
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Bob Levin Jun 3, 2010 9:25:44am |
re: #32 laZardo
You are referring to the title page, One Minute World News?
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Charles Johnson Jun 3, 2010 9:27:52am |
By the way, anti-Israel leftists have been swarming the comments for my posts at TrueSlant. If anyone feels like engaging the latest anti-Israel talking points, there are plenty of people spewing them over there.
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AbuNafha2 Jun 3, 2010 9:27:58am |
Is the world waking up?
Following U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and others, the President of the Czech Senate, Dr. Přemysl Sobotka, says the Turkish flotilla was a planned provocation designed to entrap Israel.
Dr. Sobotka told Knesset Speaker Ruby Rivlin on Wednesday, “As a doctor, I certainly regret any loss of life, but there is no doubt that this was a planned provocation designed to drag Israel into a trap.”
“Many in the European community feel as I do,” he added, “but they are afraid to speak out publicly.”
israelnationalnews.com
/posted this in another thread, no intention of trolling, but this seems the place to be today;)/
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NJDhockeyfan Jun 3, 2010 9:28:28am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
The last three IDF military adventures (south Lebanon, Gaza and this one) have not put Israeli use of force in a good light. They have done Israel far more harm than good. It would have been simple enough to disable the ship without the poorly planned and conducted commando confrontation. Sometimes I think the state of Israel is its own worst enemy.
Hoe dare Israel defend itself. Better they get wiped out than hurt someone’s feelings.
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SanFranciscoZionist Jun 3, 2010 9:29:46am |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The peaceful and nonviolent making of weapons.
‘Desperately improvising some few defensive weapons to protect themselves from the IDF onslaught.’
I speak asshole.
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NJDhockeyfan Jun 3, 2010 9:30:38am |
re: #40 Charles
By the way, anti-Israel leftists have been swarming the comments for my posts at TrueSlant. If anyone feels like engaging the latest anti-Israel talking points, there are plenty of people spewing them over there.
[Link: trueslant.com…]
A plethora of troll meat! We’re gonna need a bigger grill.
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Bubblehead II Jun 3, 2010 9:30:51am |
BTW, Charles and all the Lizards who posted links to video of the raid as well as International law of the sea. You have my thanks. My sister dropped by yesterday (which is why I dropped off) and was spouting off about how Israel was in the wrong about boarding and using deadly force to stop the ship. With the resources provided here at LGF I was able to refute her every point. By the time she left, her eyes had been opened and she had a different outlook about the situation.
Again, you all have my thanks.
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laZardo Jun 3, 2010 9:31:07am |
re: #39 Bob Levin
You are referring to the title page, One Minute World News?
No, despite the apparent sarcasm. You inferred that the whole Cheonan incident was never really covered.
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SanFranciscoZionist Jun 3, 2010 9:31:11am |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
What wouldn’t James Earl Jones make a great narrator for?
(Pause)
“Goodnight room. Goodnight moon. Goodnight cow jumping over the moon. Goodnight light, and the red balloon…”
I would pay good money for that.
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Bagua Jun 3, 2010 9:32:22am |
re: #40 Charles
By the way, anti-Israel leftists have been swarming the comments for my posts at TrueSlant. If anyone feels like engaging the latest anti-Israel talking points, there are plenty of people spewing them over there.
[Link: trueslant.com…]
You are a brave man Charles, taking fire from both sides and not flinching. You have my respect and gratitude.
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laZardo Jun 3, 2010 9:32:34am |
MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) — Philippine Foreign Affairs Secretary Alberto Romulo said today that he has instructed the Philippine Embassy in Tel Aviv to provide consular assistance to 12 Malaysian nationals who were detained by Israeli authorities following the attack on the Freedom Flotilla in the Gaza Strip May 31.
Romulo asked its officials in Israel to provide assistance to these Malaysian nationals upon the request of their government.
In a note verbale sent to the Philippine Embassy in Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian government requested the country to provide consular assistance in accordance with the agreement on “Assistance by ASEAN Missions in Third Countries to Nationals of ASEAN Member Countries in Conflict/Crisis Situations.” Malaysia does not have diplomatic relations with Israel.
SNIP
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Bob Levin Jun 3, 2010 9:33:29am |
re: #47 laZardo
Not like this incident, and Cheonan incident is much worse.
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Walter L. Newton Jun 3, 2010 9:34:09am |
re: #7 NJDhockeyfan
There are some moonbat blogs claiming Israel faked the weapon photos.
Is it impossible?
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comradebillyboy Jun 3, 2010 9:36:06am |
Israel certainly has the right and obligation to defend itself. But pray tell me how this particular fiasco has made Israel safer and more secure? It appears to me that the Israeli government is on the verge of losing its only real friend in the muslim world. They have so few allies in the world it seems foolish to ruin that strategic relationship with no benefit in return.
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thedopefishlives Jun 3, 2010 9:36:08am |
re: #52 Walter L. Newton
Is it impossible?
Of course not, but it’s much more unlikely than the alternative. What does Israel stand to gain by faking the photos? The anti-Israel coalition won’t believe them even if they’re real. It’s already a PR disaster that would only be compounded if they faked evidence to support their actions.
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cliffster Jun 3, 2010 9:37:04am |
re: #15 comradebillyboy
Sometimes I think the state of Israel is its own worst enemy.
sometimes I get this burning sensation when I go potty.
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Walter L. Newton Jun 3, 2010 9:37:27am |
re: #55 thedopefishlives
Of course not, but it’s much more unlikely than the alternative. What does Israel stand to gain by faking the photos? The anti-Israel coalition won’t believe them even if they’re real. It’s already a PR disaster that would only be compounded if they faked evidence to support their actions.
I asked so someone would make the point you did.
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thedopefishlives Jun 3, 2010 9:37:27am |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
A plethora of troll meat! We’re gonna need a bigger grill.
Did somebody say barbecue? Flavor of the day is hickory smoked.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Jun 3, 2010 9:37:43am |
re: #52 Walter L. Newton
Is it impossible?
Them sneaky joos have all kinds of tricks up their sleeves!
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laZardo Jun 3, 2010 9:40:07am |
re: #51 Bob Levin
Not like this incident, and Cheonan incident is much worse.
I don’t disagree that the flotilla is getting more coverage than it should. I’m just saying that in a media with a “disaster-of-the-week” state of mind, things are either going to be obsessively covered and eventually forgotten to a degree when the next disaster comes along.
It doesn’t mean that the previous events were never actually covered, and it certainly doesn’t mean that it no longer gets top billing in their affected regions.
Note how the BP Oil Spill is being viciously relegated across international media right now compared to the flotilla. And the Cheonan incident is still weighing heavily on the minds of the Koreans.
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abaleh Jun 3, 2010 9:40:15am |
re: #54 comradebillyboy
Israel certainly has the right and obligation to defend itself. But pray tell me how this particular fiasco has made Israel safer and more secure? It appears to me that the Israeli government is on the verge of losing its only real friend in the muslim world. They have so few allies in the world it seems foolish to ruin that strategic relationship with no benefit in return.
Israel lost the friendship of Turkey when the Islamists came to power, and no matter how much sucking up to Turkey we do, this relationship is going only one way so long as they are in power. so rather than do the bidding of our neighbors, the proper thing to do is to stand up for your principles and your word. So long as there is a blockade on Gaza, Israel must enforce it. To back off this one time is to invite a hundred more such “peace” flotillas.
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SanFranciscoZionist Jun 3, 2010 9:42:15am |
An e-mail contact writes:
This morning KPFA interviewed a passenger from one of the smaller “flotilla” boats.
He had also been on the U.S. ship Liberty during the 6 day war in 1967.
The Liberty ship was attacked by Israel, as most of you probably know. Some U.S. armed forces were killed.
It was a notorious event and error acknowledged error by Israel, and one that Israel-haters love to replay and create conspiracy theories about….
So what kind of first hand testimony would you expect from such a person?
He said that the IDF boarded their boat while most of them were sleeping, and took over control of the vessel after roughing up the people that were driving it (my paraphrase).
He was personally “shot with a paint ball gun…. and it did not hurt”.
After being captured, the Israeli’s were “very polite” to them.
They were “please” and “thank you”.
The boat passengers were individually interviewed, generally being asked about their health and also if they would like to go home that same day or remain for three days for observation (which would be in a jail) and then be sent home. He opted for the former.
As far as he could tell, everyone was treated very politely.
The Israeli’s “seemed to want to just get it over with quickly”.
Something tells me that this guy is not going to go over big with the “progressive’ crowd.
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Aceofwhat? Jun 3, 2010 9:43:15am |
re: #54 comradebillyboy
Israel certainly has the right and obligation to defend itself. But pray tell me how this particular fiasco has made Israel safer and more secure? It appears to me that the Israeli government is on the verge of losing its only real friend in the muslim world. They have so few allies in the world it seems foolish to ruin that strategic relationship with no benefit in return.
it’s fine to argue whether this was wise. i think that people took assertion with your implication, earlier, that the wiser course would have been a LESS confrontational approach. makes it sound as if you are attempting to use “wise” as a synonym for “right”.
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Shiplord Kirel Jun 3, 2010 9:46:14am |
re: #19 Bubblehead II
And just how were they supposed to disable it?
It’s simple, Foul the propellers with a steel net, a real heavy one. Suddenly unbalanced, the (probably ill-maintained) shafts warp, the warpage feeds on itself, the shafts jump their bearings, the seams start to open, the whole bottom splits open, and the ship sinks in about 30 seconds.
It has happened before.
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Bob Levin Jun 3, 2010 9:46:55am |
re: #64 laZardo
I hear what you’re saying. And you could add that the Cheonan is being covered more accurately too. I see that in Korea it is of major concern. I don’t see the Irish getting that excited about it, yet another ship was launched from Ireland to break the blockade.
So in about a week we’ll see if you’re right. I hope you are. I hope this passes quickly, and falls into the heap of weekly sensations.
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researchok Jun 3, 2010 9:49:32am |
If the ‘freedom flotilla’ passengers had no compunction when it comes fashioning deadly weapons to assault Israelis who are boarding a ship to inspect the cargo, one can only imagine how delighted they would to transport weapons to Hamas terrorists who are unburdened by the charade of ‘peace activism’.
That would only get in the way of diluting the crystal clear Hamas message of genocide.
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Bagua Jun 3, 2010 9:52:52am |
Oil Spill Update:
Big giant CRAW succeeded in nipping off the Riser as planned. There was a surprise that may explain why the Diamond saw failed. Two Drill Pipes were in the Riser at that point!
Possibly a piece that broke off? The drill pipe is brittle and will snap if bent too far. Is this why the BOP sheer rams could not get a full seal? I’ve not seen a good explanation yet.
It certainly looks like an Oil-cano now, I haven’t seen any reliable flowrate estimates, but the leak sure looks bigger.
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abolitionist Jun 3, 2010 9:52:58am |
Irish aid boat heads for Gaza, crew ‘won’t resist arrest’
Of course they won’t. (Pic from The Lone Ship of the Freedom Flotilla: The Rachel Corrie MV Continues to Sail Towards Gaza in Defiance of Israeli Threats)
Did some reasearch on Matthias Chang.
1) Very slick propagandist. Some recent works. Pukeworthy.
2) Matthias Chang - ex-political secretary to former premier Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad
And Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad (former premier, Malaysia) is a hardline islamic extremist:
Mahathir backs Najib’s ‘Islamic state’ remark
KUALA LUMPUR - FORMER premier Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad yesterday backed the claim by Deputy Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak that Malaysia was an ‘Islamic state’.The remarks by Tun Dr Mahathir are the latest in a running debate since Datuk Seri Najib said last week that Malaysia is an Islamic state and that it has never been secular.
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lawhawk Jun 3, 2010 9:55:08am |
re: #64 laZardo
Heh. Actually from the looks of it - the Joran van der Sloot murder investigation has trumped the oil spill too after he’s now the prime suspect in a murder in Peru (and fled apparently to Chile).
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Pie-onist Overlord Jun 3, 2010 9:56:26am |
re: #40 Charles
By the way, anti-Israel leftists have been swarming the comments for my posts at TrueSlant. If anyone feels like engaging the latest anti-Israel talking points, there are plenty of people spewing them over there.
[Link: trueslant.com…]
I posted some pictures of “Starving Gazans”
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abolitionist Jun 3, 2010 10:32:15am |
re: #77 abolitionist
Sorry, 3rd link was broken; fixed here:
The Lone Ship of the Freedom Flotilla: The Rachel Corrie MV Continues to Sail Towards Gaza in Defiance of Israeli Threats
Pic caption: Matthias Chang, Denis Halliday on board the Rachel Corrie MV
Won’t resist? Maybe they’re just projecting. Yeah, that must be it.
/
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reine.de.tout Jun 3, 2010 10:52:47am |
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eachus Jun 3, 2010 8:01:12pm |
What do you call putting a group of young men armed with slingshots, gas masks, and flak jackets in the middle of the Med, and forcing the Israelis to respond?
The Islamic Way.
Imagine a culture which requires killing off a significant percentage of each generation of young men, so that many young women can be forced to be the second, third, or fourth wives of an older man. You get a warped reality so that bloody victories—or bloody defeats—are better than bloodless victories or peace.
That is the dynamic behind all Islamic thinking. Peace, even with other Islamic countries is a condition only to be tolerated if you must. Feuds, especially long standing ones that kill only young men, are good. If you can’t stir up racial, national, or ethnic hatred? Hey, what about Sunni vs. Shite? That’s always good for a few dead men, and we can claim they are martyrs on both sides! Everyone wins, except the dead, and they were destined to be losers anyway.
I could go on, but you should get the picture by now. Occasional Moslem leaders try to be serious about peace, but before they get too far, assassins will be literally dying to martyr them. If you want to know if an Islamist was part of the planning for an assassination, do a body count. Thirty and up? Sure thing, especially if the dead included the assassins.
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