Glenn Beck Promotes Book by Antisemitic Nazi Sympathizer

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Fox News Hitler pimp Glenn Beck has a new favorite author: Glenn Beck’s new book club pick: Nazi sympathizer who praised Hitler and denounced the Allies.

On his radio show today, Glenn Beck heralded and promoted the work of Nazi sympathizer Elizabeth Dilling, who spoke at rallies hosted by the leading American Nazi group and praised Hitler. Today, Dilling is heralded by White Supremacists and White Aryans who revere her “fearless” work against Jewish people.

As Media Matters’ Simon Maloy noted, Beck had kind words for Dilling’s 1934 anti-communist book, The Red Network, saying: “This is a book — and I’m a getting a ton of these — from people who were doing what we’re doing now. We now are documenting who all of these people are. Well, there were Americans in the first 50 years of this nation that took this seriously, and they documented it.” Maloy noted that Dilling has a long history of rabid anti-Semitism, such as calling President Eisenhower “Ike the Kike” and labeling President Kennedy’s New Frontier program the “Jew frontier.”

Professor Glen Jeansonne and writer David Luhrssen note in the encyclopedia Women and War that Dilling wasn’t only anti-Semitic, but a sympathizer and supporter of the Nazis and Hitler:

When World War II began in 1939, Dilling was part of the national network of anti-Semitics, anti-Communists, and Nazi sympathizers such as Father Charles Coughlin, Reverend Gerald L. K. Smith, Reverend Gerald Winrod, and William Dudley Pelley. Material generated by Nazi organizations in Germany to inspire race hated and exploit dissatisfaction in the United States found its way into Dilling’s publications. She spoke at rallies hosted by the leading U.S. Nazi organization, the German-American Bund, and had traveled to Germany, pronouncing the country as flourishing under Hitler.

Dilling called for appeasing Germany; she blamed the war on Jews and Communists and accused the Roosevelt administration of being controlled by Jewish Communists. … After Pearl Harbor, Dilling resisted wartime rationing and denounced the Allies.

[…]

Dilling’s Nazi sympathies have made her a cult hero among Aryan groups and White Nationalists/Supremacists. For instance, the group Women for Aryan Unity features Dilling in a publication whose purpose is “to honour Aryan Women past and Present.”

[…]

Infamous racist David Duke, meanwhile, excerpts Dilling’s work on his website and states that as a 16-year old, he “found a book called The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today by Elizabeth Dilling.” stormfront.org, which describes itself as a “community of White Nationalists,” features numerous posts in its forum praising Dilling. “The Official Website of The Knights Party, USA” lists Dilling as one of its “Important Christian Women in History” and praises her for “Knowing the Jewish roots of Communism.”

Beck won’t suffer any consequences for this, of course; it’s not a problem for his audience.

UPDATE at 6/5/10 8:28:11 pm:

Here’s the book Glenn Beck is pushing: The Red network: a ‘who’s who’ and handbook of radicalism for patriots. LGF reader Killgore Trout points out a lovely quote from this toxic book:

…the American Negroes have acquired professions, property, banks, homes and produced a rising class of refined, home loving people. This is far more remarkable than that many negroes are still backwards. The Red play upon the Negroes’ love of their own people and represent them as persecuted in order to inflame them against the very White people who have in reality given the colored race far greater opportunities than their fellow negroes would have given them in Africa today.

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307 comments
1 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:24:33pm

I'm still betting its some kind of postmodern performance art, putting a huge one over on the mundanes.

2 laZardo  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:24:51pm

I hate book-writing Nazis.

3 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:32:25pm

I don't know, because I don't watch or listen to Beck as a rule, but it sounds as if he hasn't really read the book but just likes the idea of an anti-communist thing. Reading from the link above , it sounds as if he goes off/ rants against nazis/Hitler more often than not.

4 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:32:33pm

How on earth is it fearless to go after Jews? We're the standard boogeyman for a hell of a lot of people.

Does he have any advertisers left other than Gold-whatever? Serious question-- I'll call each and every one of them. How do I find a list of them? Google just gives me all the scandal stuff about the gold companies.

5 stonemason  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:32:35pm

re: #2 laZardo

Even more than Illinois Nazi's?

6 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:33:11pm

re: #1 windsagio
The book or Beck? Or both/.
From everything I've seen, Beck is all about the performance.

7 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:33:39pm

re: #3 tradewind

it sounds as if he goes off/ rants against nazis/Hitler more often than not.

Only if they're also Democrats.

8 Virginia Plain  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:33:44pm

I recommend a book that was written by a journalist named John Roy Carlson. He infiltrated organizations such as the Bund before and during the second world war, exposing their plans to make America more friendly towards the Nazis. Here are the links to the scanned PDF files:

Part I
Part II

9 albusteve  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:34:29pm

re: #4 Obdicut

How on earth is it fearless to go after Jews? We're the standard boogeyman for a hell of a lot of people.

Does he have any advertisers left other than Gold-whatever? Serious question-- I'll call each and every one of them. How do I find a list of them? Google just gives me all the scandal stuff about the gold companies.

you really don't take Beck serious do you?

10 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:34:35pm

re: #6 tradewind

Beck; but I want the next level :D

Where secretly he's some kinda drug commune guy that's mocking what he pretends to be, like Colbert on crack.

11 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:34:58pm

re: #2 laZardo

I hate book-writing Nazis.

I hate Nazis period.

12 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:35:03pm

Holy shit. This is beyond the pale even by Beckian batshit crazy standards. I detest Beck's way, but I didn't expect this. Wow. A new low beyond compare.

13 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:35:13pm

re: #3 tradewind

He doesn't go on rants after Nazis and Hitler. He accuses Obama and the Democrats of being like Hitler.

There's a rather massive difference. For one, it makes it a hell of a lot harder to go after the real supporters of Nazis-- especially when he endorses real supporters of Nazis on his program.

I don't really get the point of your comment, at all.

14 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:36:01pm

This is a "Crooks And Liars" link with more info on this broad:[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

15 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:36:26pm

re: #9 albusteve

you really don't take Beck serious do you?

You'll find that Jews take people who promote people who love Hitler pretty seriously, Steve. It would be difficult, to put it mildly, to talk us out of it.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:36:31pm

re: #3 tradewind

I don't know, because I don't watch or listen to Beck as a rule, but it sounds as if he hasn't really read the book but just likes the idea of an anti-communist thing. Reading from the link above , it sounds as if he goes off/ rants against nazis/Hitler more often than not.

99.999999 percent of his audience won't read the book either, but it's odd and frightening to watch him summoning these dead bigots to back his strange fantasies of oppression and resistance.

And someone is digging these people up for him. Who?

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:36:48pm

re: #5 stonemason

Even more than Illinois Nazi's?

Illinois Nazis who write books are the worst.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:37:13pm

re: #7 windsagio

Only if they're also Democrats.

All Nazis are Democrats. Or maybe all Democrats are Nazis.

//With Beck, who can tell?

19 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:37:30pm

re: #7 windsagio
Well, it was all wrapped up with the Social Democratic Party, wasn't it....?/

20 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:37:33pm

re: #4 Obdicut

Does he have any advertisers left other than Gold-whatever? Serious question-- I'll call each and every one of them. How do I find a list of them?

Glad you asked!

[Link: stopbeck.com...]

21 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:37:40pm

I know Glenn Beck's insane bullshit becomes a blur after a while but this is really a new level of insanity.

22 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:38:05pm

Sorry, but I'm not feeling well so I'm going to bed. See you all in the morning.

23 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:38:18pm

re: #20 bratwurst

Thank you.

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:38:20pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but I'm not feeling well so I'm going to bed. See you all in the morning.

Night, Falcon.

25 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:38:21pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

99.999999 percent of his audience won't read the book either, but it's odd and frightening to watch him summoning these dead bigots to back his strange fantasies of oppression and resistance.

And someone is digging these people up for him. Who?

"we shouted who killed the Kennedy's ? when after all it was you and me..."

26 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:38:28pm

re: #13 Obdicut
That's okay.

27 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:39:00pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon
Feel all better.

28 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:39:09pm

He does have Nazi tourrettes after all. So I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Stil, it's freaky.

29 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:39:26pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

I hope some good rest makes you feel better, DF, and I hope tomorrow brings some sort of good news.

30 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:39:30pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but I'm not feeling well so I'm going to bed. See you all in the morning.

Hey, DF. Do not become dehydrated.
You've been sick too long, bra.

31 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:39:39pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

Feel better!

32 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:41:33pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno, but bet he doesn't read them.
People will jump into supporting a lot of things/people without knowing all the lurking facts about them... look at Ron Paul supporters.
Tell them that he had racist running in the background and they would say ' no way '.

33 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:44:02pm

Honestly, Beck is like one of those Nazi memorabilia types who collects anything and everything Nazi related because it gives him a perverse joy. I think we have a fetishist as a national celebrity guiding millions of people's ideological imagination. A very scary thought indeed.

34 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:44:43pm

re: #20 bratwurst

Glad you asked!

[Link: stopbeck.com...]

Wow. There's a PI lawfirm in there. Go figure!

35 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:45:09pm

Beck was on last week blaming progressives for WWI, perhaps he'll decide progressives forced us to fight those innocent Nazi's in WW II.

36 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:45:23pm

re: #10 windsagio
I think he used to be a total druggie/drunk, years ago. Joined his wife's church and recovered, or something.
I went with some friends to a live stage show to see Beck ...almost ten years ago at least, way before he was on Fox, and before he was politically active. He had a straight comedy routine, social commentary, etc, and it was freaking hilarious. Should have stuck to it.

37 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:46:17pm

re: #34 marjoriemoon

I follow StopBeck on both twitter and facebook. He's a good guy.

38 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:46:55pm

I have to admit I was sure Beck would crash and burn in the usual pop culture media style. Ratings crash and cancellation. But nope, he is still out there. I blew that one.

39 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:47:42pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

I wish you were right.

40 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:47:50pm

EXCLUSIVE: Historian criticizes Beck's "ludicrous" embrace of anti-Semitic author

According to Jeansonne, Dilling was probably the "most bigoted woman anti-Semite of the period around World War II" and used "long-discredited conspiracy theories" -- including theories advanced in the infamous Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion -- in an effort to link Communism and Judaism.

Jeansonne said that "in addition to being anti-Semitic and anti-Communist, Dilling purported the most convoluted conspiracy theories that are imaginable." He added, "She viewed all sorts of groups with no connection or only the loosest connection as being bound together in an international conspiracy."

"I think she was mentally unstable," said Jeansonne.

41 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:48:14pm

re: #32 tradewind

Dunno, but bet he doesn't read them.
People will jump into supporting a lot of things/people without knowing all the lurking facts about them... look at Ron Paul supporters.
Tell them that he had racist running in the background and they would say ' no way '.

If he's promoting a book, it's assumed he's read it. I wouldn't necessarily expect all Beck supporters to have read it, but I would assume he did.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:48:54pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

I have to admit I was sure Beck would crash and burn in the usual pop culture media style. Ratings crash and cancellation. But nope, he is still out there. I blew that one.

Who watches him? Most people are working or driving home from work when his show is on. I haven't seen his show on fox. I saw a few of his shows on CNN a while ago but those were before he went nuts.

43 Henchman 25  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:49:05pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

Get well ASAP!

44 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:50:10pm

re: #36 tradewind

Beck is brilliant as far as comedy goes. He knows how to make you laugh while he simultaneously poisons your mind with crazy conspiratorial bullshit. A bad combo if you ask me.

45 PAUL_MACDONALD  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:50:26pm

Beck knows exactly who will read this book and who this nonsense appeals to.

46 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:50:46pm

re: #41 marjoriemoon
I think more radio and tv personalities have probably promoted books/movies that they've not seen or read, at least occasionally, than you would imagine.

47 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:51:44pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

I liked him on CNN, not so nutty. But his show keeps going. Oh well it points out something Obdicut and I discussed. Media misinformation outweighs the partisan bias.

48 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:52:06pm

re: #44 Irenicum
IIRC, his show had little to do with politics, and was centered around his family and personal experiences, but his delivery was pure comedy. The entire audience was rolling with laughter, and there wasn't any big message thing.

49 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:52:28pm

re: #44 Irenicum

Beck is brilliant as far as comedy goes. He knows how to make you laugh while he simultaneously poisons your mind with crazy conspiratorial bullshit. A bad combo if you ask me.

I just ignore him... why give him the power of speaking his name?

50 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:54:12pm

Beck's rise to fame isn't really all that surprising if you think about it. How many of the Left's "celebrities" got their big breaks or an extension on their 15 minutes during the Bush years? So long as you preached Bush hatred, regardless of what your overall message was, you were gold.

51 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:55:47pm

re: #50 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Beck's rise to fame isn't really all that surprising if you think about it. How many of the Left's "celebrities" got their big breaks or an extension on their 15 minutes during the Bush years? So long as you preached Bush hatred, regardless of what your overall message was, you were gold.

well yes but that makes too much sense

52 swamprat  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:56:29pm

re: #49 brookly red

I just ignore him... why give him the power of speaking his name?

Squinting through the internets;

"taxfreekiller, is that you?"

Actually, I liked him.

53 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:57:08pm

re: #50 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Name any major left pundit whose act was anywhere the level of Beck's.

54 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:58:09pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator
McLuhan's theory explains his radio success, but he totally defies that message when it comes to television. Interesting.

55 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:58:20pm

re: #52 swamprat

Squinting through the internets;

"taxfreekiller, is that you?"

Actually, I liked him.

I respected him more than I liked him, he never pulled his punches.

56 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:58:44pm

re: #53 windsagio

Name any major left pundit whose act was anywhere the level of Beck's.

Is Olbermann major? He's pretty well way out there.

57 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:59:19pm

re: #35 avanti

We do have to address the reality that WWI progressives are very different from today's progressives. Many, if not most of them, were quite racist and were strongly in favor of eugenics in openly racist ways. That's not to say that the other side is somehow pristine. Racism at that time was a commonplace reality that very few rejected. Beck, though, loves using this as a hammer to slam anything that questions his bizarre little world of libertarian conspiracism. It's a familiar trope that is effective among those who don't know the whole history

58 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:59:22pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

Oh c'mon. Olbermann's damn annoying, but he's not remotely a Beck.

He'd be big enough yeah if you really think he's as crazy tho'

59 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 8:59:45pm

re: #55 brookly red

That's something to more respect when somebody's gone, I'd say :D

60 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:00:15pm

re: #44 Irenicum

He knows how to make you laugh while he simultaneously poisons your mind with crazy conspiratorial bullshit.


Kind of like Olbermann on the left, but without the ' knows how to make you laugh' part.

61 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:00:48pm

Not saying it didn't happen, but I am looking for the actual promotion and praise...


I mean, I see the "This is a book" quote ... but would we normally expect some actual praise? I think we would normally like to hear some audio... just to make sure he wasn't being sarcastic. I for sure would like to see a transcript to see if maybe the "This is a book" quote wasn't out of context....

Did I miss it?

62 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:01:15pm

re: #58 windsagio
He's.... mental.
And not in a good way. Then again, Beck may be as well, but he's got an audience./

63 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:01:26pm

re: #61 Buck

yer right. He was totally being sarcastic!

64 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:01:29pm

re: #49 brookly red

My concern is that I have friends who actually believe he's a reasonable voice. That's why I feel constrained to fight again his dangerous nonsense.

65 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:01:40pm

There's no way out of this race stuff except to say that

it

just

doesn't

matter.

and then to IGNORE all the skin color, etc etc etc.

I am so tired of it.

66 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:01:58pm

re: #59 windsagio

Comparing a bad apple to a bad orange I guess, he may be the craziest of the left punditry, Rachael being the one that plays it pretty sane with the news. From her POV of course.

67 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:02:04pm

re: #62 tradewind

the level of rhetoric just isn't there. I don't think Olbermann ever compared Bush to Hitler or Stalin... or did I just miss it?

68 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:02:36pm

re: #53 windsagio

Name any major left pundit whose act was anywhere the level of Beck's.

What I'm gettin' at is that guys like Beck have a following now because there's a lot of anger and resentment on the Right due to Obama bein' in the White House. If McCain had won, Beck would be lucky if he pulled in maybe a quarter of the following he does now on Fox News.

And no, before I get the accusation now or at some point in the future, I do not agree with Beck, nor do I intend to defend him. I am not a rabid Obama hater, though I disagree with the man's politics. I'm just notin' the similarities.

69 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:02:42pm

re: #66 Rightwingconspirator

I really really think Beck is on his own level.

I'd compare Olbermann more to Hannity or O'reilly.

70 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:03:14pm

Beck is a grifter.

72 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:03:26pm

Also Damn you guys for making me defend Olbermann (altho' its kinda my fault for asking), I freakin' hate that guy!

73 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:04:05pm

re: #60 tradewind

Olbermann has the sportscasters snark thing going that works pretty well. But he's part of the problem I agree.

74 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:05:59pm

re: #67 windsagio
You've missed some way out there stuff, yeah. Actually, MSNBC's pulled O off air at least once, maybe more, for a week or two when he's gone over the edge.

75 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:06:03pm

re: #73 Irenicum

re: #72 windsagio

re: #68 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

When is the last time a major pundit really added to your understanding of a complex situation in any context at all? Been a long time for me but I quit 'em some time ago.

76 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:06:16pm

re: #65 Ojoe

Amen Ojoe. But we stupid humans can't seem to see past our differences. I really wish it were different.

77 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:06:52pm

re: #75 Rightwingconspirator

I don't watch 'em at all to be frank, but back when WUB was in healthcare, they'd leave them on all shift and I'd hear allllll about them, and their various flavors.

Its what we talked about over drinks before it was LGF ;)

78 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:07:04pm

re: #73 Irenicum
sportscasters snark ? LOL.
He's more sulk than snark.

79 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:07:06pm

re: #53 windsagio

Name any major left pundit whose act was anywhere the level of Beck's.

Not sure what you mean by level? No one has his level of audience. But AIR AMERICA had his level of nutcase.

80 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:07:41pm

re: #72 windsagio

Also Damn you guys for making me defend Olbermann (altho' its kinda my fault for asking), I freakin' hate that guy!

yes you do have a lot of hate issues to deal with... but yes we know you hate for all the right reasons. whatever.

81 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:07:42pm

Oops!

Just saw the time, gotta prep for work.

REMEMBER KIDS: SAY NO TO DRUGS!

82 windsagio  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:08:07pm

re: #80 brookly red

well that was just mean :(

Now I'm gonna cry all the way to work!

83 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:08:24pm

re: #76 Irenicum

More interracial marriages will help, & the blending of us all, eventually.

Ain't love grand?

BBL

84 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:08:42pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

THE JEWISH RELIGION Its Influence Today

Formerly Titled THE PLOT AGAINST CHRISTIANITY
Elizabeth Dilling

Enjoy.
/

What kind of site is "come-and-hear"? I have seen them in the referrer logs to my website.

85 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:08:42pm

re: #70 prairiefire
I really wish people would learn the meaning of that word.
Working for a corporation and drawing a salary makes you, by definition, not a grifter.
PS. Palin's not a grifter, either, no matter how horrible a person she may be in one's mind.

86 swamprat  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:08:58pm

non-robotic mocko jumbies
Most of the vids are fuzzy, but you can look up
"mocko jumbie(s)" on youtube.
I have seen them spit fire.

I have also seen them drunk.

87 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:09:20pm

re: #74 tradewind

You've missed some way out there stuff, yeah. Actually, MSNBC's pulled O off air at least once, maybe more, for a week or two when he's gone over the edge.

I would ask you for a link...but I know you don't go in for backing up claims like this.

88 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:09:26pm

re: #75 Rightwingconspirator

Honestly, that's why I rely on Newshour more than any cable news outfit.

89 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:09:28pm

OT:

Another sweet political cartoon re: the Flotilla

90 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:09:46pm

re: #82 windsagio

well that was just mean :(

Now I'm gonna cry all the way to work!

don't cry just think about it...

91 swamprat  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:10:43pm

re: #84 Alouette


"come and hear"
=
evangelism

92 Bagua  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:11:17pm

For those interested:

How does one lower a Top Hat 1 mile beneath the waves and capture 6,000 barrels of gasy oil a day?

This video shows how it is being done by the Enterprise Drillship.

Ok, they used the Top Hat A for the video, the one they didn't use, but it is really the same procedure and equipment with the Top Hat they did use. What is different is the first one would have made a better seal.

93 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:11:17pm

re: #79 Buck
There was Randi Rhodes (hiccup), and that Mike guy who kept railing about the Bush Crime Family.
So sad to see them go...../

94 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:12:40pm

re: #83 Ojoe

I'm all about that man. One race, the human race.

95 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:13:09pm

re: #88 Irenicum

Honestly, that's why I rely on Newshour more than any cable news outfit.

Aha! My point is these "major" pundits are simply nat adding to very many peoples understanding of anything, just building on the misinformation and bluster.

96 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:13:20pm

re: #84 Alouette

What kind of site is "come-and-hear"? I have seen them in the referrer logs to my website.

It's run by some nut.

This is another website of hers:

[Link: www.public-action.com...]

97 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:13:20pm

re: #93 tradewind

There was Randi Rhodes (hiccup), and that Mike guy who kept railing about the Bush Crime Family.
So sad to see them go.../

well at least they are not senators...

98 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:14:32pm

re: #95 Rightwingconspirator

Aha! My point is these "major" pundits are simply nat adding to very many peoples understanding of anything, just building on the misinformation and bluster.

your TV does have an off switch, no?

99 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:14:55pm

re: #58 windsagio

Oh c'mon. Olbermann's damn annoying, but he's not remotely a Beck.

He'd be big enough yeah if you really think he's as crazy tho'

Olbermann, yes, is as crazy as Beck.

100 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:14:57pm

OT:
Apparently, very many Israelis have cancelled their vacations to Turkey in droves, and are essentially boycotting them. According to Debbie Schlussel, who I only quote because she is citing a Hebrew-only source (Israel's Channel Two):


Israel’s Channel Two (it’s in Hebrew, so I’m giving you non-Hebrew speakers the talking points) reports that Israeli tourism is 2.5% of Turkey’s tourist industry. And hotels, spas, and tourist guides are hurting, particularly in Antalya in Southern Turkey, where whole hotels remain empty and the normally crowded poolside is abandoned. Antalya, Marmaris, and Bodrum, Turkey rely heavily on Israeli tourists in particular. And they are all suffering now. A Bodrum hotel owner says that Israeli tourists are 50-70% of his guests and that they all canceled. His hotel is largely empty, and he’s already lost a million dollars, he told Channel Two. It’s funny to hear the hotel owner blame the Israelis and not his own country’s policies toward Israel and his own fellow citizens’ violent riots at the Israeli Embassy. Watch the video, even if you don’t speak Hebrew, because the scenes are stark (and there is some English spoken by the Turks interviewed by phone). According to Channel Two, only 1,000 Israelis remain in Turkey, and most of them are leaving as soon as possible.
101 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:15:33pm

OK, seriously.... We say "Glenn Beck heralded and promoted the work of Nazi sympathizer Elizabeth Dilling, " and yet not one quote where he does either?

"Herald and promote".... I don't even this the book is for sale....

The "This is a book" quote does not promote, or herald...

Beck did a one hour show that tried to promote the idea that Nazis were the LEFT... He has NEVER said anything antisemetic that I can find. He hates anti semites, and came down square pro Israel on the whole flotilla story. He spoke like a lizard on that subject.

Help me with a quote, backed up somehow...audio, a transcript where he heralds and promotes this woman and her books.

Please...I just can't take Media Matters word on this.

102 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:16:17pm

re: #87 bratwurst
Actually, they demoted him at one point.... (n.b. use of flaming-left link)

The tipping point appears to have come during the Republican convention when Olbermann, after the network aired a Sept. 11-themed video prepared by the Republicans, said that MSNBC should not have shown it.

[Link: www.truthout.org...]

103 Querent  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:16:19pm

(facetious)
it's a very short step from one end of the stick to the other... "Red Network"... (sigh) Didn't Red mean Communist once? Not too long ago... now it means the opposite...

(/facetious)

104 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:16:21pm

It looks like Dilling is a darling of the Canadian left as well:

[Link: snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com...]

105 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:17:05pm

As an aside, it looks like they overlook her hate-on for Communism but focus on her foresight regarding Zionism.

106 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:17:51pm

re: #85 tradewind

I really wish people would learn the meaning of that word.
Working for a corporation and drawing a salary makes you, by definition, not a grifter.
PS. Palin's not a grifter, either, no matter how horrible a person she may be in one's mind.

I think that people who manipulate other people's fears for capital gain are grifters. That is why those two folks you mentioned are grifters.

107 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:18:07pm

re: #101 Buck

OK, seriously... We say "Glenn Beck heralded and promoted the work of Nazi sympathizer Elizabeth Dilling, " and yet not one quote where he does either?

"Herald and promote"... I don't even this the book is for sale...

The "This is a book" quote does not promote, or herald...

Beck did a one hour show that tried to promote the idea that Nazis were the LEFT... He has NEVER said anything antisemetic that I can find. He hates anti semites, and came down square pro Israel on the whole flotilla story. He spoke like a lizard on that subject.

Help me with a quote, backed up somehow...audio, a transcript where he heralds and promotes this woman and her books.

Please...I just can't take Media Matters word on this.

media matters is just another well funded front group, they don't really matter much.

108 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:22:50pm

We are encouraging all Jews and others opposed to Erdogan's policy of hatred to boycott Turkey. We have successfuly convinced friends of ours to cancel a planned trip to Turkey and are working to promote a "Boycott Turkey" campaign. Am I the only who notices the striking resemblance between Erdogan and Der Fuhrer right down to the moustache though Erdogan's hair is lighter.

109 freetoken  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:24:17pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

According to Jeansonne, Dilling was probably the "most bigoted woman anti-Semite of the period around World War II" and used "long-discredited conspiracy theories"

Sounds like Beck's kind of woman!

110 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:24:21pm

re: #108 Truth Dr.

We are encouraging all Jews and others opposed to Erdogan's policy of hatred to boycott Turkey. We have successfuly convinced friends of ours to cancel a planned trip to Turkey and are working to promote a "Boycott Turkey" campaign. Am I the only who notices the striking resemblance between Erdogan and Der Fuhrer right down to the moustache though Erdogan's hair is lighter.

See my #100

111 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:24:28pm

re: #106 prairiefire

That is why those two folks you mentioned are grifters as I prefer to reinvent the term.



Okay.

112 Morrisminor  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:25:08pm

Glen's a fluff head. But politically he always supports Israel. So he's hardly a Buchananite. He just linked it cause it is hard right paranoid anti-red book.

113 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:25:26pm

Why do the far left and the far right both have a deeply embedded anti-Semitism? I'm not a fan of Bibi (I've always been more of a Labor guy), but Israel having a right to her land is a basic assumption for me. I know this is a complicated issue, but it really does boggle my mind. I'm at a loss of how to deal with this issue. I see a two state solution as being the most realistic response, but I know that the facts on the ground mitigate against that. I'm depressed at the prospects anytime soon.

114 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:25:47pm

re: #101 Buck

OK, seriously... We say "Glenn Beck heralded and promoted the work of Nazi sympathizer Elizabeth Dilling, " and yet not one quote where he does either?

"Herald and promote"... I don't even this the book is for sale...

The "This is a book" quote does not promote, or herald...

Beck did a one hour show that tried to promote the idea that Nazis were the LEFT... He has NEVER said anything antisemetic that I can find. He hates anti semites, and came down square pro Israel on the whole flotilla story. He spoke like a lizard on that subject.

Help me with a quote, backed up somehow...audio, a transcript where he heralds and promotes this woman and her books.

Please...I just can't take Media Matters word on this.

GLENN: Oh, I know. I know. This here is a pocket history of the American Revolution, pocket history, 1826. Now, I'm getting a lot of people sending their books in. I think they are mainly from people who are like, "I don't have any relatives to leave them to and I know you'll preserve them." And I will. In fact, I had a conversation with my daughters yesterday when I came home. I showed them these books and I said, I will come back from the grave if I ever see anybody with jam hands generations down the road that don't appreciate what these books are. But I'm also getting these. This is a book, the Red Network. This came in from 1936. People — McCarthy was absolutely right. Now, he may have used bad tactics or whatever, but he was absolutely right. This is a book — and I'm getting a ton of these from people who were doing what we're doing now. We now are documenting who all of these people are. Well, there were Americans in the first 50 years of this nation that took this seriously and they documented it. And this is from 1936. And in it, it talks about, it's The Who's Who and Handbook For Radicalism For Patriots. This is, who were the communists in America. The overwhelming number of communists? Labor unions.

[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

115 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:25:53pm

re: #108 Truth Dr.
I can't imagine how anyone who supports Israel could contemplate spending one penny in Turkey at this point.

116 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:26:44pm

re: #108 Truth Dr.

We are encouraging all Jews and others opposed to Erdogan's policy of hatred to boycott Turkey. We have successfuly convinced friends of ours to cancel a planned trip to Turkey and are working to promote a "Boycott Turkey" campaign. Am I the only who notices the striking resemblance between Erdogan and Der Fuhrer right down to the moustache though Erdogan's hair is lighter.

well I have no problem boycotting Turkey... now please tell me what do they export aside from Turks?

117 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:27:11pm

An old poster showed up on the last thread but one, Truth Dr., with some useful quotes from the Hamas Charter. This is a document that gets mentioned a lot, but it's rarely quoted from, partially, I believe, because it contains some inconvenient truths, such as the fact that the elected representatives of the people of Gaza use sources such as the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a tsarist forgery, to buttress their claims against Israel.

These things cannot be emphasized enough: the Hamas Charter means what it says, and says what it means.

But I have almost never been successful in getting a lefty apologist for the Palestinians to read it. I've been told it doesn't matter, that it's just rhetoric, that this is to be expected of people who are oppressed, that somehow it will all evaporate into peace, love and understanding if only Israel would do thus and so.

These are the same kind of people who refused to read "Mein Kampf" when Hitler still could have been stopped, and who, if forced to confront a quote or two from that book, dismissed it as political talk.

History repeats itself.

118 laZardo  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:27:34pm

re: #116 brookly red

well I have no problem boycotting Turkey... now please tell me what do they export aside from Turks?

Fezzes for Shriners?

/

119 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:27:51pm

re: #113 Irenicum
If the Syrians and Egyptians, and to some extent, Jordanians and Lebanese who urged their citizens on when they attacked Israel during the six day war would let them back into their home country, that would fix the real estate problem.
These people have a state.... several of them. Unfortunately, what they don't have is an actual ' right of return '.... to their country of origin.

120 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:28:10pm

This might be old news, but have we discussed the now retracted plan to "lighten" the faces of kids on a school mural in AZ ?


"Via Ken Layne at Wonkette, this is just the worst story in the world:

An Arizona elementary school mural featuring the faces of kids who attend the school has been the subject of constant daytime drive-by racist screaming, from adults, as well as a radio talk-show campaign (by an actual city councilman, who has an AM talk-radio show) to remove the black student's face, and now the school principal has ordered the faces of the Latino and Black students to be changed to Caucasian skin."

Woonkette.

121 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:29:24pm

re: #114 Gus 802

This is a book, the Red Network. This came in from 1936.

Thats it? Thats Herald and promote?

You know what is another great book for exposing radicals? "Prairie Fire".... did I just promote a book by a terrorist?

I think media Matters is punking us.

123 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:29:34pm

re: #99 reine.de.tout

Olbermann, yes, is as crazy as Beck.

When Keith starts calling people the antichrist your point will no longer be laughable.

124 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:30:55pm

re: #121 Buck

Here. It's linked to the Glenn Beck program Amazon Books store.

[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

125 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:31:33pm

re: #120 avanti
What's to discuss? There Are No Words.

126 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:32:43pm

re: #121 Buck
" Let's go to the videotape" /.
I'm sure there's a transcript lurking somewhere.

127 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:32:51pm

I already linked to the promotion twice. He's obviously holding up her book on the air.

128 brookly red  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:33:18pm

re: #119 tradewind

If the Syrians and Egyptians, and to some extent, Jordanians and Lebanese who urged their citizens on when they attacked Israel during the six day war would let them back into their home country, that would fix the real estate problem.
These people have a state... several of them. Unfortunately, what they don't have is an actual ' right of return '... to their country of origin.

these are facts that have long been known, unfortunately also long been ignored & even denied. I think that here as in some other places in the world the usefulness of discussion is no longer. War is inevitable might as well prepare for it.

129 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:33:22pm

re: #121 Buck

Glenn Beck would herald and promote "Mein Kampf" and the "Protocols" if he thought it would get him a boost in the ratings.

130 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:33:48pm

re: #113 Irenicum

Why do the far left and the far right both have a deeply embedded anti-Semitism?


I think the bigger question is why is anti-semitism so prevalent everywhere, all the time. It's one of histories oldest bigotries.

The Daily Beast has a good article on the unification of Israeli opinion.

In politically splintered Israel—the joke about "two Jews, three opinions" is an understatement in a country with over thirty political parties—Israelis are massively divided about issues like settlements and the peace process. But this week, fed up with what they view as an onslaught of unfair global criticism of their country, young Israelis—the ones who don’t typically care about politics, and even many from the left-wing—were atypically unified and mobilized in full nationalist fervor in defense of Israel. Pro-Israel demonstrations have been held across the country, and huge numbers of Israelis are enlisting their Facebook pages and email accounts to present Israel’s side of the story to the world.

and Yossi Klein HaLevi has a piece in the Wall Street Journal:
Israelis Wonder: Has the World Lost Its Mind?

The outcry in Israel over the operation against the Gaza flotilla has cut across political lines. Yet unlike the outrage being expressed abroad, the concern here is over tactics, not morality. "It's not enough to be right," wrote one liberal columnist in the daily Ma'ariv, "one also needs to be smart." The assumption that Israel was right to stop the flotilla—and right to maintain its siege on Hamas-led Gaza—is largely a given here.
...
The disconnect between Israel and the international community begins with radically differing perceptions over why the peace process has faltered. Most Israelis believe that their country, under Labor and Kadima governments, made repeated efforts to achieve a two-state solution, only to be rebuffed by Palestinian leaders. The election of Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister, Israelis note, wasn't the cause of the breakdown of the peace process. It was the result.
...
Now, Israel's international status is perhaps even worse than it was in the 1970s. Anti-Israeli animus then was largely a result of political and economic motives. Today, however misguided, the moral outrage against Israel is real.

By appealing to the world's conscience, Israel's jihadist enemies have learned how to turn their relative powerlessness into a strategic asset. Israel is being increasingly forced to choose between self-defense and acceptance by the nations. The likely result will be a growing sense of empowerment among jihadists, and a growing sense of desperation among Israelis.

Israelis watch with cynical astonishment as the U.N. Security Council urgently convenes to create a Commission of Inquiry—yet another anti-Israel kangaroo court—even as the sanctions effort against Iran's nuclear program falters. They contrast the banner headlines in the world's media over the flotilla with the barely noted news item of recent days that Tehran now has enough uranium for two nuclear bombs. And as some self-described friends of Israel are publicly wondering whether the Jewish state needs to be "saved from itself," Israelis reciprocate the outrage and ask: Has the world lost its mind?

131 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:34:53pm

I have nothing against the Turkish people and have always enjoyed my relationships with them. But then again, the Turks who I associate with are secular. The radical Islamist government of Erdogan is seeking to move Turkey to the front of the Islamic world and there is no better way to whip up the masses than to fan the flames of anti-semitism. As Turkey's status declines in the eyes of many, one only hopes that the Turkish people with a moral conscience are able to derail the radical Islamist train.

132 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:35:32pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Here. It's linked to the Glenn Beck program Amazon Books store.

[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

It is what? Glen beck has a Amazon Book Store? This book is for sale?

Your link is to the transcript.... but I don't see any amazon book store.

Carbonite, Gold line yes...

I don't get it.

133 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:36:10pm

re: #132 Buck

I don't get it.

You rarely do.

134 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:36:34pm

re: #132 Buck

It is what? Glen beck has a Amazon Book Store? This book is for sale?

Your link is to the transcript... but I don't see any amazon book store.

Carbonite, Gold line yes...

I don't get it.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

How many times do I have to link at that?

It's the damn Glenn Beck Amazon store. Hello, Earth to base!

135 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:37:02pm

re: #129 Cato the Elder

Glenn Beck would herald and promote "Mein Kampf" and the "Protocols" if he thought it would get him a boost in the ratings.

Did he? or are you just saying shit? I mean... are we now just doing the fake but accurate thing?

"He didn't actually, but we think he would and that is bad enough." Is that us now?

136 freetoken  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:37:08pm

re: #132 Buck

Dude, look in the transcript for the title. It is a hyperlink to the Amazon web page for the book.

137 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:37:46pm

re: #116 brookly red
Apricots?/

138 Lidane  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:37:48pm

re: #121 Buck

He's promoting her book as worth reading because of its presumed anti-Communist leanings. The problem is, the woman who wrote it was a raging anti-Semite, white supremacist, and Nazi supporter.

The rubes who take this joker seriously won't understand why he's holding her book up for attention and they'll give her book sales and start reading her, when everything about the woman is vile and morally bankrupt. He's doing it because it fits with his anti-Commie/anti-Obama memes that he's been pushing, and his fans will just end up funding a Nazi in the process.

139 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:38:54pm

re: #119 tradewind

So no Arabs lived in Israel before then? I don't give anti-Semitism any brief. But your answer is overly simplistic. There's enough guilt to go around, even if it leans on one direction more than another. I have Palestinian Christian friends and Israeli Jewish friends. It's a severely complicated situation.

140 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:39:22pm

re: #134 Gus 802

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

How many times do I have to link at that?

It's the damn Glenn Beck Amazon store. Hello, Earth to base!

I don't think this is what you think it is. If he talks about a book, AMAZON can link to it, and would give his show money for every sale. This happens here too. It does not mean Glenn is saying "buy this book".

141 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:40:49pm

The Red Network...

Frequently Bought Together

Customers buy this book with The Talmud Unmasked: The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians by I. B. Pranaitis

The Talmud in Anti-Semitic Polemics

B. Child Molestation

One of the more horrifying charges leveled at Judaism is that it condones the sexual molestation of young girls. This charge was made in 1892 by the Russian Catholic cleric Reverend I.B. Pranaitis in his Latin book, Christianus in Talmude Iudaeorum. Despite Pranaitis’ humiliation at the Beilis blood libel trial in 1913, where as an “expert” witness for the prosecution he demonstrated during cross-examination that he could not answer even simple questions about the Talmud, his book was translated into English in 1939, and the charge has been making the rounds in anti-Semitic circles ever since.

142 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:40:57pm

re: #140 Buck

I don't think this is what you think it is. If he talks about a book, AMAZON can link to it, and would give his show money for every sale. This happens here too. It does not mean Glenn is saying "buy this book".

You are an ignorant slut.

143 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:41:04pm

re: #138 Lidane

He's promoting her book as worth reading because of its presumed anti-Communist leanings. The problem is, the woman who wrote it was a raging anti-Semite, white supremacist, and Nazi supporter.

The rubes who take this joker seriously won't understand why he's holding her book up for attention and they'll give her book sales and start reading her, when everything about the woman is vile and morally bankrupt. He's doing it because it fits with his anti-Commie/anti-Obama memes that he's been pushing, and his fans will just end up funding a Nazi in the process.

According to the "other" blog, Charles got it wrong/:


"This really pisses me off because Media Matters KNOWS that producing the audio and/or the transcript would prove them to be liars. I heard the show, he was going on about how we should preserve old books and such. Pretty innocuous stuff. "

I guess Beck just loves old books, even from rabid anti Semites./

144 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:41:32pm

I would love to live in a clearly black and white world. But it's just too damn gray.

145 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:41:51pm

Hello! The people who are buying one book authored by an anti-Semite are buying another book from another anti-Semite.

Earth to base.

146 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:42:02pm

Gee, the way Beck is going, the next thing he'll do is take on Helen Thomas as his cohost.

147 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:42:13pm

re: #138 Lidane

He's promoting her book as worth reading because of its presumed anti-Communist leanings. The problem is, the woman who wrote it was a raging anti-Semite, white supremacist, and Nazi supporter.

The rubes who take this joker seriously won't understand why he's holding her book up for attention and they'll give her book sales and start reading her, when everything about the woman is vile and morally bankrupt. He's doing it because it fits with his anti-Commie/anti-Obama memes that he's been pushing, and his fans will just end up funding a Nazi in the process.

He is TALKING about her book because of the anti communist stuff.

We talked about "Prairie Fire" because it exposed Billy the terrorist. People might even have bought it for that...BUT that didn't mean we supported the authors.

148 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:42:34pm

re: #139 Irenicum

So no Arabs lived in Israel before then? I don't give anti-Semitism any brief. But your answer is overly simplistic. There's enough guilt to go around, even if it leans on one direction more than another. I have Palestinian Christian friends and Israeli Jewish friends. It's a severely complicated situation.

It's comforting to think so, perhaps, but it's really not all that complicated. People just say that to avoid taking sides.

149 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:42:38pm

re: #144 Irenicum

I would love to live in a clearly black and white world. But it's just too damn gray.

But we can't let that pressure us into differentiating between the darker and lighter shades of gray.

It's much to easy to throw up our arms in frustration and call out "a pox on both their houses!"

150 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:43:11pm

re: #145 Gus 802

Hello! The people who are buying one book authored by an anti-Semite are buying another book from another anti-Semite.

Earth to base.

They are all just old book lovers, no proof they read or recommend them./

151 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:43:20pm

re: #149 Joo-LiZ

But we can't let that pressure us into NOT differentiating between the darker and lighter shades of gray.

It's much to easy to throw up our arms in frustration and call out "a pox on both their houses!"

PIMF

152 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:43:23pm

re: #139 Irenicum
Not sure I understand what that is about.
There are arabs living today in Israel, and in many instances, they get along well with their Jewish countrymen. In Haifa, for example.
They certainly aren't treated the way that a Jew would be treated in the area of the Palestinians.

153 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:44:07pm

re: #146 Walter L. Newton
Does she still have a job?
Write Hearst and insist that they remedy that situation.

154 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:44:21pm

For once I'm without words. I was going to inquire if this is some twisted Mormon thing but I don't want to disparage all Mormons. Where the fuck is Beck going with this? Has he been denounced by any other Fox News commentators?

---

I just got home from an early b-day party. Tomorrow is Israel in the Gardens so I didn't want to say too late - anyway I am home now but I wanted to share that the highlight of the party was having the opportunity to hold a 3 month old baby girl named Cora. She fussed a little bit but soon fell fast asleep, allowing her mother to eat some ice cream cake. I traded cake time for baby time. The ex and I never had kids so it's really special to me when I get to hold such a precious child.

155 Lidane  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:44:54pm

re: #143 avanti

According to the "other" blog, Charles got it wrong.

Pfft. Charles could say the sky was blue and they'd still find a way to say he was full of shit.

re: #147 Buck

He is TALKING about her book because of the anti communist stuff.

And she was demonstrably a raging anti-Semite, white supremacist and Nazi supporter who denounced the Allies (read: the United States) during WW2. What does it say about Beck and his argument that she's the best he can come up with to talk about in order to make an anti-Communist tirade?

156 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:44:54pm

Now I'm not saying Beck is an anti-Semite. Just a clueless shock jock.

157 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:46:09pm

re: #153 tradewind

Does she still have a job?
Write Hearst and insist that they remedy that situation.

Why? It's no big deal what she said. Hell, it wasn't even cover on CNN's website... it's just another one of those silly little things that the right will be making a big outrage out of... nothing really to see... Helen Thomas is a non-issue.

158 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:46:48pm

re: #146 Walter L. Newton

Gee, the way Beck is going, the next thing he'll do is take on Helen Thomas as his cohost.

Helen Thomas has only been tolerated for decades because of her long history, but it's time for her to get the boot. She's pulled the same crap before and got a pass, but enough is enough.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:48:44pm

re: #41 marjoriemoon

If he's promoting a book, it's assumed he's read it. I wouldn't necessarily expect all Beck supporters to have read it, but I would assume he did.

Also, his supporters are counting on him to have read it. The people who listen to Beck may not be the world's most savvy, but I assume they would not want to think he was feeding them total crap because he couldn't be bothered to look up the author on Wikipedia.

160 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:48:50pm

re: #158 avanti

Helen Thomas has only been tolerated for decades because of her long history, but it's time for her to get the boot. She's pulled the same crap before and got a pass, but enough is enough.

What? Come on Avanti... it's not a big deal... you sound like one of those conservatives that turn everything into an outrage...

161 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:49:15pm

re: #158 avanti

Helen Thomas has only been tolerated for decades because of her long history, but it's time for her to get the boot. She's pulled the same crap before and got a pass, but enough is enough.


And sadly, she'll get a pass this time too. By Monday, most folks will have moved on to the next big news item and there she'll be, perched like a buzzard on the front row, posing accusations and insults as "questions."

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:49:23pm

re: #46 tradewind

I think more radio and tv personalities have probably promoted books/movies that they've not seen or read, at least occasionally, than you would imagine.

This goes beyond that.

163 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:50:24pm

re: #156 Gus 802

Now I'm not saying Beck is an anti-Semite. Just a clueless shock jock.

I'm saying he objectively supports anti-Semites by holding this book up as an interesting read.

The Stormfront people are certainly happy about it, which tells me everything I need to know.

164 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:50:41pm

re: #154 eclectic infidel

So fun. I got to hold a 6 month old little boy at a wedding in October. Three months is tiny!

165 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:51:40pm

re: #161 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And sadly, she'll get a pass this time too. By Monday, most folks will have moved on to the next big news item and there she'll be, perched like a buzzard on the front row, posing accusations and insults as "questions."

Oh give me a break... this is not an issue... a big yawn.

166 Bagua  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:51:59pm

re: #147 Buck

He is TALKING about her book because of the anti communist stuff.

...

The Nazis where very anti-communist.

167 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:52:06pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

What? Come on Avanti... it's not a big deal... you sound like one of those conservatives that turn everything into an outrage...

Outrageous conduct is not a conservative/liberal issue, it stands alone.

168 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:52:28pm

Hey SFZ ...

You gonna be at IiTGs tomorrow?

169 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:52:35pm

re: #163 Cato the Elder

I'm saying he objectively supports anti-Semites by holding this book up as an interesting read.

The Stormfront people are certainly happy about it, which tells me everything I need to know.

Exactly. Did you see the link Killgore Trout provided to another work of this nut, Dilling?

THE JEWISH RELIGION - Its Influence Today Formerly Titled - THE PLOT AGAINST CHRISTIANITY

170 Morrisminor  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:53:03pm

re: #156 Gus 802
You nailed it/him good!

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:53:14pm

re: #57 Irenicum

We do have to address the reality that WWI progressives are very different from today's progressives. Many, if not most of them, were quite racist and were strongly in favor of eugenics in openly racist ways. That's not to say that the other side is somehow pristine. Racism at that time was a commonplace reality that very few rejected. Beck, though, loves using this as a hammer to slam anything that questions his bizarre little world of libertarian conspiracism. It's a familiar trope that is effective among those who don't know the whole history

It's partial history--giving the impression that 'progressives' of the past were drooling racists, and 'conservatives' of the past were upstanding, wholesome types who never did anything naughty.

Also, even in the context of the day, some of these folks lie through their teeth. The crap they have put out about Margaret Sanger is surreal--and she's a pretty flawed, although important, figure to begin with.

172 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:53:31pm

Just to make clear, I'm quite Judiaophilic in my own own understanding. But I'm not a fan of the current government. I've never liked the Likud party and have always been a Labor guy. But of course the Labor party is pretty much non-existent nowadays. I think Bibi has antagonized Israel's enemies in a way that has been against Israel's interests. Maybe I'm overly idealistic (I'm sure I am), but my hope is that a better voice might arise in Israeli politics. Currently I don't have much hope.

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:53:58pm

re: #58 windsagio

Oh c'mon. Olbermann's damn annoying, but he's not remotely a Beck.

He'd be big enough yeah if you really think he's as crazy tho'

I've never seen Olbermann. I have seen some SNL guy pretending to be Olbermann, which left me with the impression that Olbermann is, in fact, batshit crazy, but he may have been exaggerating.

174 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:54:27pm

re: #167 avanti

Outrageous conduct is not a conservative/liberal issue, it stands alone.

Her conduct was not outrageous. You are just trying to blow this all out of proportion. Glen Beck is outrageous conduct, that's why we are discussing him, we are not discussing Helen.

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:54:29pm

re: #63 windsagio

yer right. He was totally being sarcastic!

They always are.

176 Racer X  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:55:06pm

Protocols

*tapping toe

177 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:55:23pm

re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never seen Olbermann. I have seen some SNL guy pretending to be Olbermann, which left me with the impression that Olbermann is, in fact, batshit crazy, but he may have been exaggerating.

Olbermann isn't a whack job. I think he's a genuinely sincere commentator but it's important to remember that he's also an entertainer.

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:55:58pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

THE JEWISH RELIGION Its Influence Today

Formerly Titled THE PLOT AGAINST CHRISTIANITY
Elizabeth Dilling

Enjoy.
/

You see, this is the kind of thing you learn when your staff Googles shit.

179 Lidane  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:56:10pm

re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist

have seen some SNL guy pretending to be Olbermann, which left me with the impression that Olbermann is, in fact, batshit crazy, but he may have been exaggerating.

That was Ben Affleck making fun of Olbermann. Keith took it in stride and even played the whole skit on his show, if I remember right.

180 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:56:12pm

Two N.J. men arrested at airport before flying to join terror group, officials say

Two North Jersey men intent on killing American troops were arrested Saturday night as they boarded flights to link up with a virulent jihadist group in Somalia, authorities said.

The men, both North Jersey residents, were charged with conspiring to commit an act of international terrorism through a group tied to Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida network, according to officials familiar with the details of the arrests.

Mohamed Hamoud Alessa, 20, of North Bergen and Carlos Eduardo Almonte, 26, of Elmwood Park were apprehended at John F. Kennedy International Airport in Queens before they could board separate flights to Egypt, where they were to start journeys to Somalia. The men were arrested by teams of state and federal law enforcement agents who have been investigating the pair since October 2006, according to the officials, who requested anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the operation publicly.

Late Saturday night, the state homeland security agency confirmed a police action at the airport but gave few details.

181 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:56:27pm

re: #155 Lidane

And she was demonstrably a raging anti-Semite, white supremacist and Nazi supporter who denounced the Allies (read: the United States) during WW2. What does it say about Beck and his argument that she's the best he can come up with to talk about in order to make an anti-Communist tirade?

Not the best he can come up with. He is discussing a topic. I might discuss Mein Kampf if it made my point. Doesn't make me an anti semite. .... does it?

"It is a book"???? It lists communists in America... It exposes radicals in early america.

Where do you get that list of people who were Leftist Radicals in early America? From this book....

I think Media Matters got this wrong... or is punking us.

170 comments and still not a quote of him praising the woman.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:56:44pm

re: #79 Buck

Not sure what you mean by level? No one has his level of audience. But AIR AMERICA had his level of nutcase.

How long did they last?

183 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:56:46pm

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

Her conduct was not outrageous. You are just trying to blow this all out of proportion. Glen Beck is outrageous conduct, that's why we are discussing him, we are not discussing Helen.

This is your lamest schtick yet, Walter. Bringing up Helen Thomas, and then telling people that we're not discussing her. How much more transparent can you be?

Sheesh, at least improve your game. This is weaksauce.

184 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:57:10pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

You bring up a good point. People all too often are willing to paint with a wide brush.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:57:32pm

re: #84 Alouette

What kind of site is "come-and-hear"? I have seen them in the referrer logs to my website.

If they're the people I'm thinking of, anti-Semitic freak jobs of the old school. Horror quotes from the Talmud, that sort of thing.

186 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:57:48pm

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

You see, this is the kind of thing you learn when your staff Googles shit.

Did you look through that book? Pretty high anti-Semitism there. Here's an excerpt:

Permissible Adultery and Intercourse with the Dead

"None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the Lord," says the Book (Lev. 18:6). Scripture references are also cited which denounce a married woman who lies "carnally" with a man not her husband. But say the sages: "That in connection with a married woman excludes intercourse with a relaxed membrum since no fertilization can possibly result. This is a satisfactory interpretation in accordance with the view of him who maintains that if one cohabited with forbidden relatives with relaxed membrum he is exonerated." And other Talmud sources are cited. "The exclusion is rather that of intercourse with a dead woman [Footnote 15] even though she died as a married woman." Thus one is "exonerated" for, or permitted, intercourse with dead relatives or with relatives, married or single, "with a relaxed membrum," because "no fertilization can possibly result." (Talmud, Yebamoth 55b, See Exhibit 163)

Intercourse with dead bodies was an old pagan practice. The above is echoed with some variation in "the chief repository of the criminal law of the Talmud," the book of Sanhedrin. (See Exhibit 89)

There the act of sodomy with one suffering with an incurable disease, hence regarded as already dead, or a "terefah," is held to be merely "as one who abuses a dead person, and hence exempt." The explanation, which continues on the next page (not reproduced) is: "Punishment is generally imposed because of the forbidden pleasure derived — [footnote] Whereas there is no sexual gratification in abusing the dead."

How apt it was when Christ called the Talmudic Pharisees "whited sepulchres … full of all uncleanness." (Matt. 23) Yet some of His followers call these abominators of every decency "God's Chosen People" and "People of the Book"!

187 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:58:40pm

re: #183 Obdicut

This is your lamest schtick yet, Walter. Bringing up Helen Thomas, and then telling people that we're not discussing her. How much more transparent can you be?

Sheesh, at least improve your game. This is weaksauce.

Point made.

188 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 9:59:27pm

re: #179 Lidane

He did. And took if rather well.

189 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:00:35pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

Point made.

There's been a lot of discussion about Helen Thomas's statement. I've discussed it. I've seen a lot of other people discussing it, too.

So what's your point?

190 Bagua  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:01:35pm

re: #172 Irenicum

... Maybe I'm overly idealistic (I'm sure I am), but my hope is that a better voice might arise in Israeli politics. Currently I don't have much hope.

Well that's the Likud/Labor divide in a nutshell, Likud and the other conservatives consider Labor to be overly idealistic, to he point of delusion.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:01:37pm

re: #108 Truth Dr.

We are encouraging all Jews and others opposed to Erdogan's policy of hatred to boycott Turkey. We have successfuly convinced friends of ours to cancel a planned trip to Turkey and are working to promote a "Boycott Turkey" campaign. Am I the only who notices the striking resemblance between Erdogan and Der Fuhrer right down to the moustache though Erdogan's hair is lighter.

If you point that out, he may dye it.

I'd love to boycott Turkey, but I already have been for many years, to the extent that I buy anything from Turkey at all.

And my only planned vacation is to Northernmost Louisiana, where I plan to combat mosquitoes and find out once and for all what denomination of Christianity my husband's family follows.

192 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:02:15pm

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

Her conduct was not outrageous. You are just trying to blow this all out of proportion. Glen Beck is outrageous conduct, that's why we are discussing him, we are not discussing Helen.

We are discussing both, but Helen is not the influence on the left that Beck is on the right. If we saw her suggested as a leader on the left, I'd give you more equivalency. I'd bet most of the left see her as a crazy old lady.

193 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:02:27pm

Here's another one from Elizabeth Dilling, Glenn Beck's current favorite author:

Many of these Jewish officials left office or went to less prominent positions.

However, one asks why so many Communist Jews ever came to power in these countries, unless part of a Jewish controlled world movement.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:02:56pm

re: #116 brookly red

well I have no problem boycotting Turkey... now please tell me what do they export aside from Turks?

Figs. And bay leaves. A lot of food products.

195 mj  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:03:09pm

Dilling is the author of The Octopus under the pen name of Frank Woodruff Johnson.

This 1940 book attacks "Jewish-Marxism" in American and the so-called Jewish conspiracy to overthrow the American system of constitutional government. The ADL is taken for task for it's repressive opposition of all "patriotic gentiles who exercise their rights of free speech and press to expose Jewish subversive activities or even express anything unflattering about Jews".
Ralph Lord Roy, writing in 1953 said Dilling's book is "considered by many the most virulent anti-semitic tract ever published in the US" ( see Apostles of Discord).

196 Morrisminor  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:03:12pm

re: #169 Gus 802
Website's logo--
Come & Here: "An Educational Forum for the Examination of Religious Truths & Religious Tolerance"

Hah!

197 Lidane  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:03:26pm

re: #181 Buck

He treats her book as worth reading and even provides an Amazon link on his site so the rubes who take him seriously can buy it. How is that not promoting her or her book?

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:03:39pm

re: #117 Cato the Elder

An old poster showed up on the last thread but one, Truth Dr., with some useful quotes from the Hamas Charter. This is a document that gets mentioned a lot, but it's rarely quoted from, partially, I believe, because it contains some inconvenient truths, such as the fact that the elected representatives of the people of Gaza use sources such as the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a tsarist forgery, to buttress their claims against Israel.

These things cannot be emphasized enough: the Hamas Charter means what it says, and says what it means.

But I have almost never been successful in getting a lefty apologist for the Palestinians to read it. I've been told it doesn't matter, that it's just rhetoric, that this is to be expected of people who are oppressed, that somehow it will all evaporate into peace, love and understanding if only Israel would do thus and so.

These are the same kind of people who refused to read "Mein Kampf" when Hitler still could have been stopped, and who, if forced to confront a quote or two from that book, dismissed it as political talk.

History repeats itself.

Or, she mutters, the same people who when Glenn Beck resurrects vicious crap by anti-Semites, pretend it's just a little quirk.

199 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:03:40pm

re: #193 Gus 802

Here's another one from Elizabeth Dilling, Glenn Beck's current favorite author:

I'm not sure it's common knowledge these days, but back in the Bad Old Days, people equated Jews with Communists all the time. A lot of the McCarthyist anti-Red stuff was openly anti-Semitic.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:04:56pm

re: #120 avanti

This might be old news, but have we discussed the now retracted plan to "lighten" the faces of kids on a school mural in AZ ?

"Via Ken Layne at Wonkette, this is just the worst story in the world:

An Arizona elementary school mural featuring the faces of kids who attend the school has been the subject of constant daytime drive-by racist screaming, from adults, as well as a radio talk-show campaign (by an actual city councilman, who has an AM talk-radio show) to remove the black student's face, and now the school principal has ordered the faces of the Latino and Black students to be changed to Caucasian skin."

Woonkette.

They actually called the revisions off, under community counterpressure. Thank God.

201 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:06:46pm

Beck becomes more and more the whore he always was in every passing day. Now he's peddling Nazi sympathizers. Fuck him in every conceivable sense. What a complete bastard.

202 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:08:18pm

re: #199 Obdicut

I'm not sure it's common knowledge these days, but back in the Bad Old Days, people equated Jews with Communists all the time. A lot of the McCarthyist anti-Red stuff was openly anti-Semitic.

Right, I remember that. It's still common to see anti-Communism tied in with anti-Semitism. I talked with one Hungarian (kind of a right wing conspiracy theorist as well) and whenever he's talking about the Communists in Hungary half of his words are "Jews." He thinks "the world is controlled by Jews." Once I told him I was an atheist and he asked "oh, so you're a Jew?" That sort of ties in with the Communists-atheism we're always hearing about.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:09:57pm

re: #147 Buck

He is TALKING about her book because of the anti communist stuff.

We talked about "Prairie Fire" because it exposed Billy the terrorist. People might even have bought it for that...BUT that didn't mean we supported the authors.

You're being blind here. Are you really saying that it's OK to promote a book by a vicious bigot as long as she's saying some good stuff about anti-Communism (an issue which, I hate to break it to you, is not exactly the issue of the week this week)?

Shit, Father Coughlin had some good stuff to say about social justice and the family! Let's promote that asshole on Glenn Beck's show! Oh, wait. Beck doesn't like social justice.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:10:39pm

re: #154 eclectic infidel

For once I'm without words. I was going to inquire if this is some twisted Mormon thing but I don't want to disparage all Mormons. Where the fuck is Beck going with this? Has he been denounced by any other Fox News commentators?

---

I just got home from an early b-day party. Tomorrow is Israel in the Gardens so I didn't want to say too late - anyway I am home now but I wanted to share that the highlight of the party was having the opportunity to hold a 3 month old baby girl named Cora. She fussed a little bit but soon fell fast asleep, allowing her mother to eat some ice cream cake. I traded cake time for baby time. The ex and I never had kids so it's really special to me when I get to hold such a precious child.

Hey there! See you tomorrow!

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:11:06pm

re: #155 Lidane

And she was demonstrably a raging anti-Semite, white supremacist and Nazi supporter who denounced the Allies (read: the United States) during WW2. What does it say about Beck and his argument that she's the best he can come up with to talk about in order to make an anti-Communist tirade?

God knows, no one better than that has ever written a book about Communism.

//Good LORD.

206 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:11:32pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

You're being blind here. Are you really saying that it's OK to promote a book by a vicious bigot as long as she's saying some good stuff about anti-Communism (an issue which, I hate to break it to you, is not exactly the issue of the week this week)?

Shit, Father Coughlin had some good stuff to say about social justice and the family! Let's promote that asshole on Glenn Beck's show! Oh, wait. Beck doesn't like social justice.

Heck. Speaking of blind and Glenn Beck. Now think about Beck's diatribe against Helen Keller for having been an alleged Communist.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:11:56pm

re: #168 eclectic infidel

Hey SFZ ...

You gonna be at IiTGs tomorrow?

Yep. I was at the City Hall this AM. Good turnout!

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:13:18pm

re: #183 Obdicut

This is your lamest schtick yet, Walter. Bringing up Helen Thomas, and then telling people that we're not discussing her. How much more transparent can you be?

Sheesh, at least improve your game. This is weaksauce.

I'd be happy to discuss Helen Thomas. Shall we?

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:15:58pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Heck. Speaking of blind and Glenn Beck. Now think about Beck's diatribe against Helen Keller for having been an alleged Communist.

Helen Keller was actually a Communist. Why this matters to Glenn Beck is beyond my understanding.

210 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:18:19pm

re: #197 Lidane

He treats her book as worth reading and even provides an Amazon link on his site so the rubes who take him seriously can buy it. How is that not promoting her or her book?

I seriously think the Amazon link is automatic, but he says the book is a "Who's Who and Handbook For Radicalism For Patriots".

He also asks "you really want to know who the real radical communists are? The NEA."

Ya... he is saying that there were communists in early America. And here is a book that talks about it. A book someone sent to him. This book documents what he thinks is a serious issue.

He doesn't say "buy this book", or even name the author. Oprah's book club this aint.

211 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:20:12pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep. I was at the City Hall this AM. Good turnout!

I heard that ANSWER's turnout sucked.

This is good news indeed.

212 Lidane  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:21:56pm

re: #210 Buck

I seriously think the Amazon link is automatic, but he says the book is a "Who's Who and Handbook For Radicalism For Patriots".

Which means he's promoting the book as something worth reading. How is this such a difficult concept to understand?

I don't give a fuck what his reasons are for saying it's worth reading, lists of early radicals or not. She was a raging, virulent anti-Semite, racist, white supremacist and Nazi supporter that denounced this country in WW2.

If Beck was a liberal, you'd be calling foul on his promotion of this book and this author. Because he's not, you're deliberately turning a blind eye to it.

213 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:22:02pm

I read the Beck transcript, and he just does not say I got some old books to save, he mentions, recommends and links to her book. I get that she was a anti Commie, but he could have researched her Nazi leanings before mentioning the book.
I suspect he'll mention it now that he's been called out.

214 webevintage  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:22:54pm

People!
Everyone knows that Beck is just joking or being sarcastic or maybe his is "just asking".
But he is not a pro nazi anti-Semite racist and does not promote those kind of authors!!!111!!!
How do I know?
SHUT UP!!!!
/

215 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:24:16pm

re: #213 avanti

We can only hope so.

216 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:24:22pm

At the 912 Project Forums:

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Yesterday on Glenn's radio show he plugged the excellent "The Red Network" by Elizabeth Dilling. I'm just overjoyed that Glenn has discovered Mrs. Dilling's work and is bringing it to a wider audience. David Duke is a longtime fan of Mrs. Dilling and we who post at stormfront regularly have been singing her praises forever. I'm so happy that Glenn is moving in this direction; I can't help but think he's on the verge of revealing the true enemy once and for all.

[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

[Link: www.davidduke.linkremoved......]

217 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:25:45pm

re: #210 Buck

I seriously think the Amazon link is automatic, but he says the book is a "Who's Who and Handbook For Radicalism For Patriots".

He also asks "you really want to know who the real radical communists are? The NEA."

Ya... he is saying that there were communists in early America. And here is a book that talks about it. A book someone sent to him. This book documents what he thinks is a serious issue.

He doesn't say "buy this book", or even name the author. Oprah's book club this aint.

So are you saying "The book is a "Who's Who and Handbook For Radicalism For Patriots" is not a recommendation for "Patriots" to read" ?

218 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:26:09pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd be happy to discuss Helen Thomas. Shall we?

As I've said before: She should just be immediately fired. Her apology was not an apology.

There are cases to be made against some of Israel's actions. Thomas made a blanket statement that makes no sense whatsoever, telling Jews to go 'back' to, among other places, fucking Germany.

Helen: we've got a few bad memories about Germany, still.

219 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:26:29pm

re: #216 Gus 802

Oh, good Lord. These are the loons he's feeding as we speak. Welcome to the Pandora's Box.

220 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:27:17pm

re: #210 Buck

Every time, Buck. You defend these people every time.

Doesn't it ever get tiring?

221 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:29:00pm

re: #219 Irenicum

Oh, good Lord. These are the loons he's feeding as we speak. Welcome to the Pandora's Box.

The true enemy is the Jew's, nice friends Beck is making all giddy./

222 Flavia  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:30:22pm

5 seconds on Google would tell even a 3rd grader that Elizabeth Dilling is the sickest sort of hate monger imaginable - a prime example of the wild-eyed, foaming-mouth crowd. If Beck isn't insane or stupid, then he's just plain evil.

223 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:30:32pm

Here's the full text of the book that Glenn Beck is promoting.

[Link: www.archive.org...]

224 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:32:06pm

re: #210 Buck

Sorry dude, but I have friends who think what he says is borderline gospel. It's not innocuous.

225 Flavia  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:32:56pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Helen Keller was actually a Communist. Why this matters to Glenn Beck is beyond my understanding.

Helen Keller was a Socialist, not a Communist.
Glen Beck is a sicko with a soap box.

226 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:33:04pm

Check this out:

COMMITTEES FOR HUMAN RIGHTS
AGAINST NAZIISM

National movement for boycotting Germany, supposedly because of its anti-Jewish activities, organized by Samuel Untermyer of N.Y. City. No one who treasures American freedom wants fascism or Hitlerism for America, but it is only fair to note that Germany had 6,000,000 Communists bent on Red terrorist revolution and that Russian Jews had made themselves prominent in the Red movement, and that Naziism has directed its attacks more against conspiring, revolutionary Communist Jews, than against
nationalist German Jews who aided Germany during the war; if it has discriminated against the innocent also, it has been with no such ferocity and loss of life as the planned and imminent Communist revolution would have wreaked upon the German population, had it been successful.

That's from the book.

Did Glenn Beck actually read this book?

227 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:33:07pm

re: #221 avanti

Truly scary shit.

228 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:37:20pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

You're being blind here. Are you really saying that it's OK to promote a book by a vicious bigot as long as she's saying some good stuff about anti-Communism (an issue which, I hate to break it to you, is not exactly the issue of the week this week)?

Shit, Father Coughlin had some good stuff to say about social justice and the family! Let's promote that asshole on Glenn Beck's show! Oh, wait. Beck doesn't like social justice.

It should be OK to discuss a book. You elevated "discuss" to "promote". Like I said before I might discuss Hitlers book (Jihad means My Struggle, hey so does Mein Kampf), doesn't mean I promoted either.

Media Matters is saying that this is his Book club choice, and Charles is saying "new favorite author".

I don't see it, or anything close to it.

I guess if they can have an outrage that is not, then we can.

So OK, let's just keep quote Dilling here... it only makes it seem like Beck was saying it...
--------------------------------------------------
Obdicut,

I like that Beck was 200%, unwavering supportive of Israel last week. No "I denounce the violence on BOTH sides" shit. Do we remember what that means? We used to be outraged when Hamas loving muslim groups would say that, now the President says it, and we let him skate.

Now I think he is being lynched. It isn't about defending Beck. I looked and looked for the EVIDENCE that this was true. His Book club choice? His "new favorite author"?

Why don't you think we should get it right before we say such things?

229 freetoken  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:39:20pm

re: #216 Gus 802

Your links have become empty... always try to capture a cache somewhere.

230 freetoken  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:40:24pm

Gus - perhaps your links were not copied correctly?

231 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:40:24pm

re: #229 freetoken

Your links have become empty... always try to capture a cache somewhere.

Oh, that was her links.

Guess I forgot to link to her post.

232 Lidane  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:41:33pm

re: #228 Buck

I don't see it, or anything close to it.

Because you don't want to see it. You want to believe it's just a liberal plot to frame Beck.

Read the transcript again. He makes it clear that it is a book worth reading because it will allow his idiot fans to draw straight lines between the Communists back in the day to labor and other groups now.

If you can't see that, you're just being deliberately dense.

233 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:44:25pm

G'nite kids. Be well. Tomorrow beckons.

234 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:48:34pm

re: #224 Irenicum

Sorry dude, but I have friends who think what he says is borderline gospel. It's not innocuous.

GREAT... please ask them what they think of Nazis, Jews and Israel.

Report back... if they think the gospel according to Beck is that "Nazis are good, jews are bad, and Israel is just Jewish Nazis", I will leave here and NEVER COME BACK.

If they tell you that the gospel according to Beck is Nazis were the progressives (ie bad), and Jews are good, and Israel is fighting the good fight then Gus has to go.

Deal?

235 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:49:21pm

re: #228 Buck

That you criticize Obama for nothing, while excusing Beck promoting-- and yes, he is promoting, he is discussing the book positively on his show, about the information contained therin about Communists (which, remember, includes talking about Jews as Communists).

You suck.

236 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:51:35pm

re: #234 Buck

GREAT... please ask them what they think of Nazis, Jews and Israel.

Report back... if they think the gospel according to Beck is that "Nazis are good, jews are bad, and Israel is just Jewish Nazis", I will leave here and NEVER COME BACK.

If they tell you that the gospel according to Beck is Nazis were the progressives (ie bad), and Jews are good, and Israel is fighting the good fight then Gus has to go.

Deal?

Huh?

You're a strange bird.

237 freetoken  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:52:28pm

re: #234 Buck

Not only do you have no deal, but my recommendation is that if you are going to flounce then don't expect anything but derision.

238 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:53:09pm

re: #147 Buck

He is TALKING about her book because of the anti communist stuff.

We talked about "Prairie Fire" because it exposed Billy the terrorist. People might even have bought it for that...BUT that didn't mean we supported the authors.

Hey! He stole my nic 30 years ago!!1!

239 avanti  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:54:11pm

re: #234 Buck

GREAT... please ask them what they think of Nazis, Jews and Israel.

Report back... if they think the gospel according to Beck is that "Nazis are good, jews are bad, and Israel is just Jewish Nazis", I will leave here and NEVER COME BACK.

If they tell you that the gospel according to Beck is Nazis were the progressives (ie bad), and Jews are good, and Israel is fighting the good fight then Gus has to go.

Deal?

Nazi's are leftie's ??? who'd have thunk it./

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:56:50pm

re: #211 eclectic infidel

I heard that ANSWER's turnout sucked.

This is good news indeed.

They had, I think, less than 400. And a Palestinian slam poet.

We had about 150, and the new DJ (who is not a Samoan). He was better.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 10:57:27pm

re: #212 Lidane

Which means he's promoting the book as something worth reading. How is this such a difficult concept to understand?

I don't give a fuck what his reasons are for saying it's worth reading, lists of early radicals or not. She was a raging, virulent anti-Semite, racist, white supremacist and Nazi supporter that denounced this country in WW2.

If Beck was a liberal, you'd be calling foul on his promotion of this book and this author. Because he's not, you're deliberately turning a blind eye to it.

Lists of early radicals. God know, you need those. And can't get them anywhere else.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:01:41pm

re: #239 avanti

Nazi's are leftie's ??? who'd have thunk it./

Anyone who read whatsisbucket's book.

243 Nimed  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:04:21pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone who read whatsisbucket's book.

Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg!
The white male is the Jew of liberal fascism

244 Nimed  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:10:04pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone who read whatsisbucket's book.

He also famously described his own book as a " very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care".

Gah. I hope I didn't kill the thread with the mention of Jonah Goldberg.

245 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:11:40pm

God, I love that little dodge. "Wait, he's just discussing it, not recommending it." No, my child, he is stating quite clearly that this book is in agreement with his belief, that Communism is prevalent and it takes the form of unions. He makes no mention of the author's antisemitism or her connection of Jews to the Communists, nor any of the other dark demons that she invoked in her books. You'd think that a media personality who's under as much scrutiny as Mr. Beck would at least time a few minutes to pull up Wiki and find out more about the author whose book he finds so agreeable.

Then again, that presumes he gives a damn about looking bad. My guess is that he won't and, so long as he keeps the anti-Obama crowd tuning in in large numbers, neither will the suits at Fox News.

246 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:13:05pm

This is hilarious. From the book:

Einstein

One of the best press-agented men in the world is Albert Einstein, who dares to tell the smart professors that his Relativity theory is so far beyond their intelligence that they cannot understand it and gets away it! They know, sure enough, that they cannot understand it but evidently figure that the best thing to do is to keep quiet and leave him undisturbed on his self erected scientific throne, lest perchance his theory might be found to have some basis some day, in which event they would be classed as ignoramuses for having doubted it in the first place.

Fellow workers in the Red movement are glad, of course, to magnify Einstein's importance in order to point out with pride that the greatest most un-understandable scientist in the world is one of their number.

But no publicity for some reason is given to those sober courageous scientific authorities who with proof deride Einstein's theory. Dr. Nikola Tesla takes sharp issue with Einstein, saying: "The Einstein theory in many respects is erroneous." Charles Lane Poor, Ph. D., Professor of Celestial Mechanics at Columbia University, states: "The supposed astronomical proofs of the theory as cited and claimed by Einstein do not exist." Prof. Thomas Jefferson See, a distinguished scientific authority, says: "Einstein is neither astronomer, mathematician nor physicist. He is a confusionist. The Einstein theory is a fallacy. The theory that ether does not exist, and that gravity is not a force but a property of space can only be described as a crazy vagary, a disgrace to our age." Prof. Dayton C. Miller lectured before the Western Society of Engineers on his experiments in complete refutation of the Einstein theory.

Perhaps the most exhaustive treatise on the Einstein theories is the volume entitled "The Case Against Einstein," written by Dr. Arthur Lynch, a very eminent English scientist. While much of this treatise is a technical analysis of the mathematical and philosophical fallacies of Einsteinism from a scientific standpoint, part of it is of interest to the layman. Dr. Lynch cites such critics of Einstein as the noted mathematicians, M. Picard, Henry Poincare, "perhaps the most celebrated of his race since Cauchy," G. Darboux, "who received the Nobel prize for mathematics," M. Paul Painleve, LeRoux, the German Klein, the Italians Ricci and Levi Civita, "who have done most to develop the mathematical instrument used by the Relativists" and who reject Relativity, and the American "framers of the case which is the corner stone of the theory, the Michelson-Morley experiment. Michelson rejected the Relativist theory."

She then proceeds to inform the reader of the "diabolical Communist" intentions of Einstein.

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:18:05pm

re: #210 Buck

Buck you are the dumbest person on the internet

248 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:20:50pm

re: #237 freetoken

Not only do you have no deal, but my recommendation is that if you are going to flounce then don't expect anything but derision.

I was kidding about the deal part, but in all seriousness you think they will be pro Nazi now that he has recommended this book? They will think all jews are communists now that this book is on his book of the month club choice? Will they even know Beck new favorite authors name?

You think they are now Dilling supporters?

PLEASE!

249 Nimed  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:22:27pm

re: #247 windupbird

Buck you are the dumbest person on the internet

Dude. Now I'm gonna have to read the whole thread. I hate it when that happens.

250 Bagua  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:27:21pm

re: #234 Buck

... then Gus has to go.

Deal?

No deal, Gus is mission critical, may I propose a replacement?

251 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:27:43pm

re: #247 windupbird

Buck you are the dumbest person on the internet

I just consider the source of that opinion.

252 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:28:54pm

re: #250 Bagua

No deal, Gus is mission critical, may I propose a replacement?

Originally I was going to say Obdicut, but I am ignoring them.

253 freetoken  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:29:29pm

re: #246 Gus 802

Did you know that the well known fount of light and knowledge, Conservapedia, attacks Relativity?

254 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:31:01pm

re: #253 freetoken

Did you know that the well known fount of light and knowledge, Conservapedia, attacks Relativity?

I can believe that. Apparently they've all been reading this book. If you're curious here it is online in several different formats including one for Kindle:

[Link: www.archive.org...]

255 tradewind  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:32:10pm

re: #247 windupbird
"Got a link for that" ?
Because you might want to adjust your statement to read
' in my opinion '.

256 freetoken  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:32:42pm

re: #248 Buck

It's clear what Beck is all about - taking his fools for fans on a ride to get millions of dollars.

I don't know why you think this current demonstration of idiocy on the part of Beck needs your support.

257 Bagua  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:35:11pm

re: #252 Buck

Seriously though Buck, Beck is a bit of a loon, its best not to try to read too much into his nonsense just because he hits some talking points you agree with. That way lay madness. Listen to freetoken.

258 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:36:44pm

re: #256 freetoken

fools for fans

What did you just call Irenicum's friends?

259 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:38:54pm

Here's another anti-Judaic screed from Dilling:

“The Babylonian Talmud is the law for so-called Judaism. However, its pornographic, anti-Gentile and anti-Christian doctrines have often caused hostility against it. … The Bible under Talmudic Judaism is considered to be a collection of simple tales fit only for fools, women and children. The Talmud "sages" thus must find new meanings in it by letter and number tricks which reverse the plain meaning and create out of it the permission to do otherwise forbidden crimes and misdeeds. The words of the Bible are continually misused and misquoted for purposes of blasphemy and reversal. Stealing for themselves the title of "Israelites," the Talmud "sages" teach that "God made a covenant with Israel only for the sake of that which was transmitted orally." And the Biblical "basis" of this is given as Exodus 34:27. But that verse states, instead: "And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel" — the opposite! The Talmudic reversal of Moses' written words are said to have been transmitted "orally," and through Moses himself — believe it.”

It's linked by Stormfront, a KKK site, RadioIslam, etc.

260 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:39:09pm

re: #67 windsagio

the level of rhetoric just isn't there. I don't think Olbermann ever compared Bush to Hitler or Stalin... or did I just miss it?

Olbermann compared Bush to Hitler--constantly. Or as often as I could stomach watching him.

261 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:40:46pm

re: #257 Bagua

Seriously though Buck, Beck is a bit of a loon, its best not to try to read too much into his nonsense just because he hits some talking points you agree with. That way lay madness. Listen to freetoken.

Fine, I still think we should get this right. We used to make fun of the "Fake but accurate" crowd. Book Club? Favorite Author? Well,,, not REALLY, but it could be true... I didn't think that was your standard.

262 Buck  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:45:18pm

re: #259 Gus 802


It's linked by Stormfront, a KKK site, RadioIslam, etc.

and now LGF.... oh my.

263 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:47:02pm

re: #262 Buck

and now LGF... oh my.

That's not the point. Hello, it's context.

264 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:53:47pm

McCarthy Hearings 1953-54 Volume 2

Mr. Cohn. Have you ever belonged to any organization listed
by the attorney general as subversive?

Mr. Bryan. I belonged some twenty years ago to the
American-Russian Institute. I was a subscriber to a magazine
called Soviet Russia Today. I believe the subscription to that
was $5 a year or some such amount as that, and that, like
subscribing, say, to the National Geographic, made me a member.
At the moment I can think, sir--I haven't memorized the
list of the attorney general, I can think of no other group
like that.

Mr. Cohn. I will see if I can refresh your recollection.
First of all, were you on the National Committee of the
National Convention of Friends of the Soviet Union in 1933?

Mr. Bryan. I was not, and my name has been listed for many
years. It was first printed in The Red Network by Elizabeth
Dilling.
28
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28 Elizabeth Dilling, The Red Network; A ``Who's Who'' and
Handbook of Radicalism for Patriots (Kenilworth, Ill.: privately
printed by the author, 1934-1936).

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Mr. Cohn. Yes?

Mr. Bryan. To my knowledge I was never on this national
committee or ever notified of it, but it has been on the record
a long time.

MF. Cohn. Did you sue her for libel, or did you ask her for
a retraction?

Mr. Bryan. No, I did not. May I explain?

Mr. Cohn. I don't think that means too much one way or the
other.

Mr. Bryan. May I only say that I never met her. But when
this was printed, in 1933 or '34, Mr. Chairman, when I was
lecturing in California, at Redlands University, and it was
printed in the local press, then I went down and we had a long
meeting with the local paper and the people who printed this,
in which this and other statements which were false were
printed about me at that time. I did not sue Elizabeth Dilling.
Mr. Cohn. That is all right.

The Chairman. May I say that while the question is proper I
do not think the fact that you do not sue someone who may say
something that is untrue can be used as any indication that the
article was true. There have been a thousand people that I have
not sued that have said things I think are completely untrue.

Mr. Cohn. Have you ever been connected with this
organization, the Friends of the Soviet Union?

Continues...

265 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:54:31pm

This was in questioning Julien Hequembourgh Bryan:

[Editor's note.--Film maker Julien Hequembourgh Bryan
(1899-1974), after graduating from Princeton and attending the
Union Theological Seminary, traveled widely taking 16mm film
that he sold to motion picture companies. In the 1930s, he
conducted extensive lecture tours, during which he showed film
footage he had shot in Russia in 1932. He was in Warsaw in 1939
when Germany invaded, an experience recorded in his book Siege
(New York: Doubleday, Doran, 1940), and film, Warsaw: 1939. In
1940, the Office of Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs,
headed by Nelson Rockefeller, hired him to make films on Latin
America. The State Department then contracted with Bryan to do
similar films about other lands. His work came to the attention
of David and Ella Mills, whose Davella Mills Foundation granted
him $300,000 to underwrite a non-profit film company. Bryan's
International Film Foundation specialized in ethnographic
films, including Peoples of the Soviet Union, which he produced
in 1946 and revised in 1952. Later in the 1960s, his company
made numerous films on Africa, Israel, Japan and the Pacific
Islands. The subcommittee did not call Bryan to testify in
public session.]

Continues...

266 Gus  Sat, Jun 5, 2010 11:55:54pm
Julien Hequembourg Bryan (1899–1974) was an American documentarian and filmmaker. He is best known for documenting the daily life in Poland, Soviet Union and Nazi Germany between 1935 and 1939.

Following the outbreak of World War II he authored numerous films documenting the Siege of Warsaw and the terror bombing of the city by German Luftwaffe. He is credited as the only foreign journalist in Warsaw at that time. Through Polish Radio he also made an appeal to the American president Franklin Delano Roosevelt to help the Warsaw's civilians targeted by enemy bombers. During his stay in Warsaw he lived in the abandoned Consulate of the United States. He left Warsaw on September 21 and smuggled his films out to America, where some of them were put together in 1940 as a short documentary Siege, released by RKO Radio Pictures. The film was nominated for Academy Award the following year for Best Short Subject, One-reel. Some of his pictures from war-torn Poland were also published in the December 5, 1939 edition of Look magazine.

In 1958 he revisited Poland and met some of the people he filmed 20 years before. Many of his works are currently held by the Library of Congress and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's Steven Spielberg Film and Video Archive. In 2006 Siege was named to the National Film Registry of the USA by the Librarian of Congress as "a unique, horrifying record of the dreadful brutality of war".

267 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:02:01am
1947

Background

Between April and August the Buchenwald Trial is conducted by the U.S. Military Court at Dachau. On August 20, the verdict of the so-called Doctors’ Trial is announced in Nuremberg. The Auschwitz trial in Kraków, Poland, where former camp commandant Rudolf Höss is sentenced to death, is held between November 24 and December 22. The first edition of Anne Frank’s diary, Het Achterhuis, is published in The Netherlands.

Events

April. American far right activist Elizabeth Dilling claims the six million figure to be false.

268 Buck  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:05:56am

Gus, I think you have made your point. You are bordering on OCD.

We get it, she was a bad person, and no one should ever read her stuff. I know I wouldn't, except you keep posting it.

269 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:06:18am

re: #268 Buck

Gus, I think you have made your point. You are bordering on OCD.

We get it, she was a bad person, and no one should ever read her stuff. I know I wouldn't, except you keep posting it.

Mind your own business Buck.

270 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:10:43am

re: #261 Buck

Fine, I still think we should get this right. We used to make fun of the "Fake but accurate" crowd. Book Club? Favorite Author? Well,,, not REALLY, but it could be true... I didn't think that was your standard.

I don't get your point. Beck obviously promoted the author, the author is a bigoted loon. Beck is an idiot. QED

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:14:13am

re: #247 windupbird

Buck you are the dumbest person on the internet

Now WUP, you know that isn't true at all.

272 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:15:39am

She was nuts:

In 1935 Dilling tried unsuccessfully to obtain money from drugstore tycoon Charles R. Walgreen by aiding him in a purge of alleged
communists at the University of Chicago. Walgreen had withdrawn his niece from the university after she told him she was being taught
by communist professors. He demanded a public hearing and enlisted Dillings help. When university President Robert Maynard
Hutchins refused to conduct a witch-hunt, Dilling charged, Hes afraid to hold a hearing because he’s the Reddest kind of Red.
Hutchins might have been unaccommodating, but Dilling and Walgreen persuaded a committee of the Illinois Legislature to convene a
hearing on her demand that the university be closed for violating state sedition laws.

The last witness to testify, Dilling pulled reams of documents from a bulging briefcase, then launched into a tirade as her supporters
screamed, They ought to kill every communist! Flapping her arms, rolling her eyes, shouting, she held forth for thirty minutes and
threatened to make a radio broadcast, if necessary, to continue. Dilling accused four professors of being communists and claimed the
university chaplain had said Russia is the hope of the world
. The Red tide extended to Harold Swift, a member of the famous
meat-packing company family and president of the universitys board of trustees. A “cream puff type of Red, Swift was one of the
“second-generation millionaires who likes to play around with radicals. Some rich men turn to booze, some to chorus girls, and others to
communism. When the revolution came, his throat would be slit. The invective did not persuade the committee, which concluded the
charges by Dilling and Walgreens niece were unfounded. No action was taken.

Dilling found Red infestation at her childrens schools. While Kirk was in high school, she complained that his teacher forced him to
bring home and read communist literature such as the Daily Worker. Kirk later enrolled at Cornell University to study engineering and
attended a lecture by Communist Party official Robert Minor. Kirk asked Minor what he thought of Elizabeth Dilling. When Minor said
Dilling belonged in an asylum, Kirk identified himself and denounced Minor. A few weeks later, the school put him on probation.
Cornell said he was punished for burning a sulfur candle that filled a dormitory with smoke and for filling a light fixture with water. Kirk
admitted to the pranks, yet his mother said he was persecuted for his anticommunist views.

From Women of the Far Right

273 Buck  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:16:16am

re: #270 Bagua

I don't get your point. Beck obviously promoted the author, the author is a bigoted loon. Beck is an idiot. QED

Promoted the author? You sure? Without ever saying her name, he promoted an author.... Heralded her work. Did you really get the impression that she was his new favorite author?

This is what I am talking about.

274 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:17:16am

re: #149 Joo-LiZ

But we can't let that pressure us into differentiating between the darker and lighter shades of gray.

It's much to easy to throw up our arms in frustration and call out "a pox on both their houses!"

It's "a plague o' both your houses"--Mercutio to Romeo and Tybalt

However, I agree with what you were saying. giving up and/or saying, "I don't care", as if it absolves us of the responsibility of caring, is easy. Trying to make a difference, even in some small way, is hard.
re: #226 Gus 802

Check this out:

COMMITTEES FOR HUMAN RIGHTS
AGAINST NAZIISM

That's from the book.

Did Glenn Beck actually read this book?

Glenn Beck can read? Who knew?

re: #243 Nimed

Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg!
The white male is the Jew of liberal fascism

I'm a white male and a Jew. Am I a liberal, a fascist, a liberal fascist, what? And how does Jonah Goldberg know this?
----------------------------
Re: Helen Thomas

Dear Helen,

I'm an American Jew. I'm first generation on one side, in fact. However, I need your assistance in deciding where to go now that you in your infinite wisdom have decided we Jews should all "go home".

See, I'm confused about where "home" is and need your expertise. Germany? Where half of my mother's family was loved to death by the Nazis in the 1930s and the rest lucky (or in your opinion, unfortunately for this country) to have been able to get into this country due to a loophole in the Immigration Act of 1924? Poland? Where my father's father's family ran away in the 19th century in order to not be overwhelmed by the devotion of their Polish Catholic neighbors? Hungary? Whose fascist state worked diligently with the Nazis to assist other relatives (by marriage) to escape this mortal coil, and which my father's mother's family had left despite the loving attentions of their Christian neighbors?

You seem to know all, and I appeal to Your Wisdom in the case of myself and my fellow Jews. Since you think that the nations from which our families hailed were all so benevolent, which one should I choose?

I'm aware that you were referring to Israeli Jews. However, and I hate to be the one to break the news to you, although we Jews squabble too much internally, at heart we are all one people. If you want Israeli Jews to "go home", then you want all of us to "go home". And I want to know where you think our "home" is.

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:18:15am

re: #248 Buck

I was kidding about the deal part, but in all seriousness you think they will be pro Nazi now that he has recommended this book? They will think all jews are communists now that this book is on his book of the month club choice? Will they even know Beck new favorite authors name?

You think they are now Dilling supporters?

PLEASE!

Beck appears to be a Dilling supporter. If you think that doesn't matter, you're out of your mind. It's not this one book, it's another chunk of this strange, paranoid, divisionist game he plays.

276 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:18:47am
277 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:20:28am

re: #268 Buck

Gus, I think you have made your point. You are bordering on OCD.

We get it, she was a bad person, and no one should ever read her stuff. I know I wouldn't, except you keep posting it.

Yes, it's Gus's fault.

/

278 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:20:53am

re: #273 Buck

Promoted the author? You sure? Without ever saying her name, he promoted an author... Heralded her work. Did you really get the impression that she was his new favorite author?

This is what I am talking about.

Don't be so hung up on semantics. Look at the picture of him holding up the book during his radio show. The exact word is irrelevant, choose any, Beck was pimping the book.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:24:10am

re: #273 Buck

Promoted the author? You sure? Without ever saying her name, he promoted an author... Heralded her work. Did you really get the impression that she was his new favorite author?

This is what I am talking about.

You're being pathetic. Beck is a red-baiting piece of shit, he has made that abundantly clear. It would be less ridiculous, except that Communism went brain-dead a couple of decades ago, and is now being kept on life support by a small team of petty dictators and freaking Glenn Beck.

If you can't see what Beck is doing, I'm sorry, you're either dumb as a post, or blinded by admiration for the man.

280 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:24:34am

The Mothers' Movement

Mothers' Movement was an American confederation of anti-World War II, anti-Roosevelt, far right groups. Mothers' Movement consisted of: National Legion of Mothers of America formed by Father Charles Coughlin in 1939; National Blue Star Mothers; Crusading Mothers of America; We, the Mothers; and We, the Mothers, Mobilize for America.

Unlike other non-interventionist groups, this alliance of groups did not disperse after the United States entered World War II, and became even more vocal. They picketed the United States Capitol, harangued Senators, and went on a speaking tour around the country. These activities continued until the Great Sedition Trial of 1944.

History

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, several groups continued to rally against the United States joining the war. A large number of women opposed the war efforts in order to keep their sons out of combat, leading to the creation of the "Mother's Movements" led by women such as Elizabeth Dilling, Catherine Curtis, and Lyrl Clark Van Hyning. The group was made up of many organizations in different states, including the National League of Mothers of America and "We the Mothers, Mobilize for America". The movement originated in California and then gradually became a decentralized confederation of 50 to 100 groups that developed on the west coast, midwest, and east coast. The members of these groups were very diverse in age, religion, class, and education, but the leaders were mainly white, middle-aged college-educated Christians from the upper middle-class. The groups published books, pamphlets, and newsletters arguing that the war should be stopped. The members testified before congress, picketed the White House, collected petitions, and participated in political campaigns. The leaders most likely learned their organizing experience from women's clubs, political parties, or movements led by men.

The Great Sedition Trial

The Mother's Movement was involved in the Great Sedition Trial of 1944, in which the government charged an assortment of 30 heterogeneous individuals with violations of the Smith Act of 1940 and the Sedition Act of 1917; the defendants were held to be pro-fascist participants in a Nazi conspiracy. President Franklin D. Roosevelt pressured U.S. Attorney General Francis Biddle to indict these activists for sedition. Some of the leaders that were called to testify before the grand jury were Elizabeth Dilling, Catherine Curtis, and Lyrl Clark Van Hyning. A mistrial was declared on November 29, 1944, some time after the death of the trial judge, ex-congressman Edward C. Eicher...

281 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:25:56am

1944: Great Sedition Trial

The so-called Great Sedition Trial of 1944 followed from a series of indictments issued in Washington, D.C. against a group of some 30 prominent individuals accused of sedition and various related violations of the Smith Act. The defendants were alleged to be part of an international Nazi conspiracy, connected with the activities of the Mothers' Movement. It is arguable that the trial was overtly political in nature; it was advocated by Franklin D. Roosevelt and is considered by some critics as tantamount to a show trial[citation needed]. The trial arose out of the strongly isolationist and/or allegedly pro-fascist stance of the heterogeneous group of defendants at the height of US involvement in World War II. The New York Evening Enquirer (later the National Enquirer) and its publisher were also initially charged in 1942 but charges were later dropped.

The trial began April 17, 1944, after a number of attempts by Federal authorities to frame charges robust enough to survive grand jury hearings, but was characterised by an inability on the part of prosecutors to prove specific intent to overthrow the government. Rather, it appears to have consisted of months of the prosecutor, O. John Rogge, reading the writings of the defendants to an increasingly weary jury. A mistrial was declared on November 29, 1944, some time after the death of the trial judge, ex-congressman Edward C. Eicher.

In part because of the abject failure of the trial, which ended "in tragedy and farce" [3], it is notable as one of a number in the US in which the dictates of freedom—especially of certain interpretations of freedom of speech—have been set against concepts of national security. The most obvious comparison, from the immediate post-war era, was that of the congressional hearings arising out of Joseph McCarthy's anti-communist allegations.

Among the defendants in the 1944 trial were: George Sylvester Viereck, Lawrence Dennis, Elizabeth Dilling, William Dudley Pelley, Joe McWilliams, Robert Edward Edmondson, Gerald Winrod, William Griffin, and even in absentia notorious anti-semitic publisher and propagandist Ulrich Fleischhauer and his Welt-Dienst/World Service.

282 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:30:31am

re: #273 Buck

Promoted the author? You sure? Without ever saying her name, he promoted an author... Heralded her work. Did you really get the impression that she was his new favorite author?

This is what I am talking about.

Hm... from what I know about Glenn Beck's shtick (not much), he is of course no fascist, and I don't think anybody is making that accusation. What he does is indiscriminately promote the books and authors who support the narrative he spews on his show, without paying attention to the lunacy of his sources -- and knowing his audience won't hold his feet to the fire on it.

283 Buck  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:30:36am

re: #278 Bagua

The exact word is irrelevant, choose any,

Yep, choose any word, true or not.... it's irrelevant. After all we we are lynching him anyway. Doesn't matter what he actually said or did. He held a book and said "It is a book". HANG HIM HIGH!


AND SanFranciscoZionist? Fine call him red baiting, even a POS, but to say that his new favorite author is an antisemite? Making it seem like he is a neo nazi?

That is making stuff up not in evidence. I thought you were better than that. You are always "Show me the link". Can't "just suppose" with you.

OK, it 2:30 am here. I am gone.

284 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:30:40am

re: #273 Buck

Promoted the author? You sure? Without ever saying her name, he promoted an author... Heralded her work. Did you really get the impression that she was his new favorite author?

This is what I am talking about.

You know Buck, I'm in the middle of reading this great novel called "Atlas Shrugged," about how the government wants to destroy all successful private business and replace it with collectivism. That the government are a bunch of greedy bastards and parasites, who want to take away the wealth and innovation of hard-working businesses and give it out to the "poor," following Marx's belief of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Only all the smart business owners leading a silent "strike" by abandoning their companies and disappearing to this small town out in the West.

Who's the author? Does it matter, this is a great book and it speaks to what's wrong with this country right now. I'm not recommending you go out and buy it right now, I'm just discussing it.

///

285 Lidane  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:33:41am

re: #284 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm not recommending you go out and buy it right now, I'm just discussing it.

///

Heh. Personally, I have a much better use for that author and her books:

Plugging the Gulf oil leak with the works of Ayn Rand

;)

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:34:35am

re: #283 Buck

Yep, choose any word, true or not... it's irrelevant. After all we we are lynching him anyway. Doesn't matter what he actually said or did. He held a book and said "It is a book". HANG HIM HIGH!

AND SanFranciscoZionist? Fine call him red baiting, even a POS, but to say that his new favorite author is an antisemite? Making it seem like he is a neo nazi?

That is making stuff up not in evidence. I thought you were better than that. You are always "Show me the link". Can't "just suppose" with you.

OK, it 2:30 am here. I am gone.

You've seen the link. If you don't know what this man is, it's because you don't want to.

He is, quite clearly, holding up the book and making a statement to the effect that it is something of value from "Americans" who documented something quite important--what?--oh, the Reds. The progressives. The baaad people.

Now, she's probably not his new favorite author, because I don't think the man can read, in all honesty.

Satisfied? Go away. You don't know enough to understand how scum like Beck have used this in the past, but that's not my problem. I am seeing a real pattern, however, in who you choose to give the benefit of the doubt to--or manufacture doubt for--and it does not speak well of you.

287 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:36:13am

re: #283 Buck

Yep, choose any word, true or not... it's irrelevant. After all we we are lynching him anyway. Doesn't matter what he actually said or did. He held a book and said "It is a book". HANG HIM HIGH!

AND SanFranciscoZionist? Fine call him red baiting, even a POS, but to say that his new favorite author is an antisemite? Making it seem like he is a neo nazi?

That is making stuff up not in evidence. I thought you were better than that. You are always "Show me the link". Can't "just suppose" with you.

OK, it 2:30 am here. I am gone.

You didn't read a damn thing did you.

288 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 12:45:44am

Read some comments at Fark.

A few funny ones including FUG: First Use Google and this.

289 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 1:07:03am

re: #186 Gus 802

I've seen some pretty nasty stuff written about my own faith, but nothing as bad as this. I lack the vocabulary to articulate how far beyond vile it is. I wish I could unread it.

290 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 1:12:02am

re: #289 CuriousLurker

I've seen some pretty nasty stuff written about my own faith, but nothing as bad as this. I lack the vocabulary to articulate how far beyond vile it is. I wish I could unread it.

It is rather vile and that's just a small portion of her diatribe against the Talmud and there's much more in her book. I still can't figure out how anyone can read that and not come to the conclusion that Elizabeth Dilling was anti-Semitic and anti-Judaic.

291 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 1:20:47am

re: #290 Gus 802

It is rather vile and that's just a small portion of her diatribe against the Talmud and there's much more in her book. I still can't figure out how anyone can read that and not come to the conclusion that Elizabeth Dilling was anti-Semitic and anti-Judaic.

IMO, it goes beyond anti-Semitism or anti-Judaisim and straight into... I'm not eve sure there's a term for it, but I mean but the kind of stuff that precedes genocide in its attempt to stereotype completely dehumanize a group of people.

292 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 1:28:30am

re: #268 Buck

Translation; Gus, stop beating me with the clue bat! I can't handle the truth!
9_9

293 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 1:30:27am

re: #292 Varek Raith

Translation; Gus, stop beating me with the clue bat! I can't handle the truth!
9_9

Yeah, but I think he just saw a collection of text because it seemed as though he didn't read a word. You ever see a brochure mock-up with a jumble of Latin text put together? I think he saw that.

294 ernie1241  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:55:33am

Additional information concerning Elizabeth Dilling:

1. She acknowledged that UK conspiracy author, Nesta Webster, assisted her with her book, The Red Network.

In 1926, Nesta authored a pamphlet for the British Fascisti entitled "The Need For Fascism in Great Britain" and she gave lectures under the auspices of the British Fascisti. In 1933, Nesta wrote an article published in the 4/13/33 issue of The Patriot in which she dismissed British press accounts of Nazi persecution of Jews in Germany and she defended Hitler's policies. Nesta made the following observations:

"That Hitler is doing the best thing for Germany seems at present undeniable....For it must not be forgotten that in Germany, as everywhere else in the East of Europe, the Communists being predominantly Jewish, suppressing Communism necessarily involves taking action against a number of Jews...Let us recognize then his achievements hitherto. He has shown his determination to deal firmly with disintegrating movements and has done what no other statesman of his day has dared to do--set out to grapple fearlessly with the Jewish problem..."

2. The FBI HQ file on Elizabeth Dilling [ED] contains a FBI Chicago field office summary report on ED which states that in 1938, ED visited Germany and attended Nuremberg Conference of Nazi Party. In July 1939 she went to Germany again returning to the U.S. on 9/9/39. A friend of ED told FBI Chicago that ED said her trip to Germany was paid for by Nazi government. After returning from Germany, ED was pro-Nazi government and anti-England and anti-Jewish.

3. In a 10/9/41 speech in Nashville TN, ED said:
There is more dictatorship in the U.S. under the New Deal than in Nazi Germany. I would rather have the Nazis here than the Russians or the British.”

295 brownbagj  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:21:20am
Glenn Beck Promotes Book by Antisemitic Nazi Sympathizer

Wait a minute...you mean Glenn Beck is promoting Jimmy Carter's book?

296 dugmartsch  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:46:13am

re: #143 avanti

According to the "other" blog, Charles got it wrong/:

"This really pisses me off because Media Matters KNOWS that producing the audio and/or the transcript would prove them to be liars. I heard the show, he was going on about how we should preserve old books and such. Pretty innocuous stuff. "

I guess Beck just loves old books, even from rabid anti Semites./

And they should be preseved, ESPECIALLY books like this. But when you proffer them to an audience you had better put them in proper context.

But Glenn Beck can't put the book into context, because the context is that most of his ideas are 50 years old and we're originally proffered by fascists who created and embraced lunatic conspiracy theories. A tradition that Beck continues.

297 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:55:38am

"Fox News Hitler Pimp", heh. Sounds like a punk band name. The hits just keep coming with Becky boy... "He kept the trains running on time"

re: #290 Gus 802

It is rather vile and that's just a small portion of her diatribe against the Talmud and there's much more in her book. I still can't figure out how anyone can read that and not come to the conclusion that Elizabeth Dilling was anti-Semitic and anti-Judaic.

I wish I could remember where I read recently about the history of anti-Talmudic anti-Semitism. I recall that suspicion of the Talmud as a focal point for the Jew-haters is a very specific phenomenon that dates to a particular time and place... I want to say that there were a couple of books that came out in Europe somewhere in the 19-teens.

It might have actually been in Richard Rhodes' book about the development of the first nuclear bomb. He dedicates almost a whole chapter to anti-Semitism and how it influenced the lives of many of the physicists who ended up working in the Manhattan project.

298 Lidane  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:46:08am

re: #253 freetoken

Did you know that the well known fount of light and knowledge, Conservapedia, attacks Relativity?

I hadn't heard that, so I went over to Conservapedia to read it for myself.

They actually try to make a case that relativity is being used to try and change morality because people have conflated Relativity and relativism, and they take a quote out of context to try and suggest that Relativity is being used to try and broaden abortion rights. Oh, and Relativity is clearly flawed because no one has ever won a Nobel Prize for it.

WTF? Seriously. What the actual fuck?

299 Hanoch  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:48:01am

I almost never listen to Glenn Beck but, from the little I know, my impression was he is a very solid supporter of Israel. Maybe I am miscronstruing the point of the post, but it seems unfair to suggest that he holds antisemitic views by associating him with Dilling (who obviously was quite an antisemite).

300 Nekama  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:48:08am

Charles,

Did you happen to notice Helen Thomas's lovely bigoted rant?:

The Leftist wingnuts are demanding equal time here on LGF.

301 Lidane  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:57:07am

re: #299 Hanoch

I almost never listen to Glenn Beck but, from the little I know, my impression was he is a very solid supporter of Israel. Maybe I am miscronstruing the point of the post, but it seems unfair to suggest that he holds antisemitic views by associating him with Dilling (who obviously was quite an antisemite).

Beck's support of Israel isn't the point.

The fact that he's taking Dilling's book and telling people to read it because he considers it a "who’s who and handbook of radicalism for patriots" is the damned point. She was a raging anti-Semite, white supremacist, racist, and Nazi supporter. There is no doubt about this. It has been extensively documented.

The book he's pimping is loaded with some truly vile shit, yet he is recommending it to his listeners because it will allow his idiot fans to try and make a case that the same Communists from back then are leading labor unions and other groups now. He doesn't mention that she's a Nazi. He doesn't mention that she denounced the United States during WW2. He doesn't mention her anti-Semitism and racism.

What kind of supporter of Israel tells his fans to read a book by a Nazi just because she happened to write some anti-Communist diatribes in the middle of all her other hate?

302 Buck  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:57:46am

re: #287 Gus 802

You didn't read a damn thing did you.

Your links prove this woman was a horrible person, and all you links drive that home. No one is denying those facts.

Becks favorite author, book club, promote the author and herald her?

Not so much....

303 Lidane  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:00:31am

re: #300 Nekama

If you think Helen Thomas and her raging idiocy haven't been discussed here, you'd be wrong. There have been threads all over the LGF Pages section about it, and plenty of disgust at her words from posters on all sides of the political spectrum.

304 Lidane  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:19:14am

re: #302 Buck

You're being deliberately obtuse if you can't see the book promotion in these words. Here, I'll even help you:

This is a book, the Red Network. This came in from 1936. People — McCarthy was absolutely right. Now, he may have used bad tactics or whatever, but he was absolutely right. This is a book — and I'm getting a ton of these from people who were doing what we're doing now. We now are documenting who all of these people are. Well, there were Americans in the first 50 years of this nation that took this seriously and they documented it. And this is from 1936. And in it, it talks about, it's The Who's Who and Handbook For Radicalism For Patriots. This is, who were the communists in America. The overwhelming number of communists? Labor unions.

The other thing that they talked about was, in this book that I was reading last night, they said, you know, there's this — there's this teachers union thing but you really want to know who the real radical communists are? The NEA. That's 1936. And they are talking about this new organization that is really nasty that you really have to look out for. The NEA. But everything this book has talked about they have mainstreamed.

Read carefully. He's legitimizing her book as a serious documentation of Communist activity in 1936, as well as all her diatribes because they fit his anti-Communist ranting. He doesn't mention her anti-Semitism. He doesn't mention the racism in the book. He doesn't mention her public support of the Nazis, or the fact that she denounced the United States during WW2.

There is an implicit recommendation of the book, since he never says a negative thing about it. He talks about it positively due to the anti-Commie stuff. He even provides an Amazon link on his site.

All of that adds up to promotion of her book, and yes, even heralding it. Why? Because he talks about it in glowing terms, without one peep about who the author really was, or what she believed in.

305 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:47:07am

re: #283 Buck

OK, it 2:30 am here. I am gone.

You were gone long before that.

306 Nekama  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:09:29am

re: #303 Lidane

If you think Helen Thomas and her raging idiocy haven't been discussed here, you'd be wrong. There have been threads all over the LGF Pages section about it, and plenty of disgust at her words from posters on all sides of the political spectrum.

You misunderstand. My point is that leftist anti-Semitism and outright asshattery deserve as much attention (perhaps more, since that's the party in power) as that of the right.

Glenn Beck's bizarro world gets (justifiably) lots of play here. I believe the Helen Thomas (a MSM reporter who actually commanded some respect) slur deserved a thread of its own.

307 Lidane  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:20:55am

re: #306 Nekama

And my point is that Helen Thomas and her idiocy have gotten plenty of attention. Charles might not have a thread about it on the front page, but she has been rightly keelhauled on this site by folks on both the left AND the right for days now.

She has not been ignored. She's been criticized harshly, and deservedly so.


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