Another Cropped Reuters Photo Deletes Another Knife - And a Pool of Blood

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OK, come on now. I mean, really.

One picture cropped to remove a knife might be explained as incompetence or a simple mistake.

But now we have two pictures from the “peace activists” that were cropped by someone at Reuters to remove knives in the hands of the activists, as they attempted to take soldiers hostage.

Reuters has published this picture from the activists.

The picture is a cropped version of this photo from the IHH website (IHH is the Islamist group whose members rioted aboard the Mavi Marmara).

What did the Reuters photo editor crop out? A big knife and a big pool of blood.

UPDATE at 6/6/10 4:20:27 pm:

And it gets worse. I took the photo into Photoshop and increased the exposure to lighten the dark areas, and discovered that they didn’t just crop out the knife and blood — they also cropped out another badly injured Israeli soldier lying on the floor.

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1014 comments
1 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:27:28pm

Now why would the Turks not crop out the knife and the puddle of blood?

Oh, because they are proud of cutting Teh Joo!

2 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:27:35pm

The saddest thing?

Cropped or uncropped I still don't have a damn clue what is actually going on in the picture...

3 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:28:03pm

Sneaky, unrepentant, dishonest bastards.
Al Reuters indeed.

4 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:29:10pm

Once might be oversight or carelessness.

Twice is an agenda.

5 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:29:27pm
What did the Reuters photo editor crop out? A big knife and a big pool of blood.

The soldier in the picture isn't bleeding yet. That pool of blood was from one of the other soldiers dragged to the top of the stairwell. It looks like that was part of their system.

6 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:30:36pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

The saddest thing?

Cropped or uncropped I still don't have a damn clue what is actually going on in the picture...

They are dragging him up stairs... the picture has also been rotated.

7 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:30:49pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

The saddest thing?

Cropped or uncropped I still don't have a damn clue what is actually going on in the picture...

There is a whole series of them. Posted by the peace activists themselves. Check it out, it all becomes pretty clear.

8 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:30:55pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

The poor guy is getting dragged around after being beat senseless and stripped of all his gear. Threatened with a combat knife. Trust your eyes for that much.

9 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:31:01pm

This new pic was posted well after we had 7 visits from Reuters this morning. They knew people were watching and they still continued to crop evidence out of the pictures. Amazing stupidity.

10 Jaerik  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:31:16pm

You'd think Reuters would know better after last time.

11 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:33:02pm

re: #8 Rightwingconspirator

The poor guy is getting dragged around after being beat senseless and stripped of all his gear. Threatened with a combat knife. Trust your eyes for that much.

Yeah I can see that.

The problem is that it's also a somewhat cluttered picture so my natural coping mechanism for horror (which is humor if you didn't already know it) wants lighten/trivialize something which is obviously not trivial at all....

12 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:33:05pm

Beginning to think that's not cropped, just darkened or otherwise P-shopped so the knife and blood isn't evident?

13 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:33:46pm

re: #12 Thanos

Beginning to think that's not cropped, just darkened or otherwise P-shopped so the knife and blood isn't evident?

Nevermind, pulled it down blew it up. Cropping it is.

14 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:34:19pm

I'm sure it is all just a coincidence.

One that I expect to repeated, in one form or another.

15 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:34:23pm

re: #12 Thanos

Beginning to think that's not cropped, just darkened or otherwise P-shopped so the knife and blood isn't evident?

If they P-shopped it you think they would have gotten it (the blood) all. I mean if you look at the "cropped" picture you can still see a trickle/splash of blood, just not a full puddle of it...

16 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:34:42pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

The saddest thing?

Cropped or uncropped I still don't have a damn clue what is actually going on in the picture...

They are being dragged around in this stairwell I believe

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(Here is another uncropped photo showing a commando with a bloody (likely broken) nose)

17 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:35:32pm

A little sleuthing around to find out who owns the biggest chunks of Reuters stock might not go amiss here. Such is not my forte, so I leave it to the evening Lizards.

Later!

18 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:35:52pm

re: #16 Joo-LiZ

They are being dragged around in this stairwell I believe

Image: LiveImages%5CFoto%20Haber%5C575%5C%C4%B0srail%27in %20sildi%C4%9Fi%20Foto%C4%9Fraflar%5CScreenHunter_ 60%20Jun.%2005%2023.25.jpg

(Here is another uncropped photo showing a commando with a bloody (likely broken) nose)

Here it is even more apparent:
Soldier dragged up stairs

19 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:36:08pm

re: #15 jamesfirecat

If they P-shopped it you think they would have gotten it (the blood) all. I mean if you look at the "cropped" picture you can still see a trickle/splash of blood, just not a full puddle of it...

See the comment after the first that I made, I was looking at a blur after pulling it down and looking at it more closely it's a crop.

20 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:36:38pm

re: #17 Cato the Elder

A little sleuthing around to find out who owns the biggest chunks of Reuters stock might not go amiss here. Such is not my forte, so I leave it to the evening Lizards.

Later!

///Rupert Murdoch? What, just playing the odds....

21 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:37:52pm

re: #18 Joo-LiZ

Here it is even more apparent:
Soldier dragged up stairs

And another little bit of my child hood dies inside as I now know I'll never again be able to find it fun to "sled" my mattress down a flight of stairs...

22 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:40:38pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

This new pic was posted well after we had 7 visits from Reuters this morning. They knew people were watching and they still continued to crop evidence out of the pictures. Amazing stupidity.

It's like Glenn Beck; They don't really care because they know their main audience won't call them on it. Most of the world doesn't know the truth about this matter and does not want to know. They just want images that jibe with their blaming Israel.

23 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:40:46pm

re: #10 Jaerik

You'd think Reuters would know better after last time.

their worldwide readership is far more extensive than LGF's. I doubt they "know better" because in most of the world, there are no LGF sleuths keeping them honest ...

24 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:41:10pm

re: #18 Joo-LiZ

Here it is even more apparent:
Soldier dragged up stairs

Actually in that one he's on the way down. Notice they've removed his body armor. All his wounds are on the left side of his body so they don't show up there.

25 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:42:28pm

I've added MagnaniomousCoward's animated gifs to my page on this: Fauxtography: Reuters Crops Out Peace Activist Weapon Again

26 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:42:41pm

Just a little prediction here.

This second example of Reuters perfidy, together with the animated images showing the deception, is going to be as big as the fake smoke from Lebanon.

LGF: scourging Dan Rather, Reuters, and other media tools since 2004!

27 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:43:05pm

re: #10 Jaerik

You'd think Reuters would know better after last time.

It's what they do, white-wash shit for the ROPMA.

28 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:43:07pm

I am completely fair about this;
Reuters and Fox can BOTH bite mine.
Also, CNN.
ABC, NBC, CBS aren't exactly on my "nice list" either.
Apologies to those left out; they are hated, too.

29 bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:43:23pm

"Blood and weapons...in the pages of the NEWS? Whoever heard of such nonsense? I mean it's positively unheard of! Remove them with all speed lest our reputation be sullied!"

//Reuters

30 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:43:23pm

re: #17 Cato the Elder

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


Canadian family owns 53%.

They don't appear, on the surface, that political, but I wouldn't be surprised to find they have major oil interests.

31 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:43:58pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Just a little prediction here.

This second example of Reuters perfidy, together with the animated images showing the deception, is going to be as big as the fake smoke from Lebanon.

LGF: scourging Dan Rather, Reuters, and other media tools since 2004!

I wonder if this is going to be followed up by another threatening email from someone at Reuters.

32 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:44:28pm

re: #17 Cato the Elder

A little sleuthing around to find out who owns the biggest chunks of Reuters stock might not go amiss here. Such is not my forte, so I leave it to the evening Lizards.

Later!

I found this much... 53% Owned by these guys...

Thomson Corporation

Controls Thomson-Reuters from May 2007.

33 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:45:26pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Just a little prediction here.

This second example of Reuters perfidy, together with the animated images showing the deception, is going to be as big as the fake smoke from Lebanon.

LGF: scourging Dan Rather, Reuters, and other media tools since 2004!

All we need now is a prominent White House correspondent to go on record telling the Jews to "get the hell out of Palestine and go back to Germany".

34 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:45:51pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Just a little prediction here.

This second example of Reuters perfidy, together with the animated images showing the deception, is going to be as big as the fake smoke from Lebanon.

LGF: scourging Dan Rather, Reuters, and other media tools since 2004!

Possibly, but maybe not. We've pissed off the right wing blogs and they won't link to LGF anymore. We're definitely not going to get a Drudge link. The LEfties aren't going to link because it makes the Peace activists look violent. It might get some attention from CNN or something if we're lucky but LGF is sort of a redheaded step child. (No offense)

35 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:46:48pm

re: #31 Gus 802

I wonder if this is going to be followed up by another threatening email from someone at Reuters.

I think some photo editor's job might be in jeopardy over this.

36 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:47:35pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Possibly, but maybe not. We've pissed off the right wing blogs and they won't link to LGF anymore. We're definitely not going to get a Drudge link. The LEfties aren't going to link because it makes the Peace activists look violent. It might get some attention from CNN or something if we're lucky but LGF is sort of a redheaded step child. (No offense)

Sad but true. I guess that is what happens when you expose idiots of all flavors.

Keep it up Charles.

37 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:47:44pm

re: #33 Racer X

All we need now is a prominent White House correspondent to go on record telling the Jews to "get the hell out of Palestine and go back to Germany".

the current events in & around Gaza are not a coincidence.

38 cwnorma  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:48:19pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

It might get some attention from CNN or something if we're lucky but LGF is sort of a redheaded step child. (No offense)

KT,

Redheaded step-child or not, I'd rather LGF remain what it is. I need sanity in my life and this is one of the few places on the web I can still find it.

39 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:48:44pm

re: #30 Obdicut

And the CEO is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most influential US policy think tanks. It's a very mainstream organization.

There really doesn't seem to be any radical or unusual connection. The Thompsons seem like a big-money family, but not one that tends to be political players.

40 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:48:52pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Possibly, but maybe not. We've pissed off the right wing blogs and they won't link to LGF anymore. We're definitely not going to get a Drudge link. The LEfties aren't going to link because it makes the Peace activists look violent. It might get some attention from CNN or something if we're lucky but LGF is sort of a redheaded step child. (No offense)

I'm thinking it will happen but without the credit for it.
This is pretty blatant. MagnaniomousCoward found that out there already.

41 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:48:52pm

Animated:

Full size:
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Image: 142xav9.gif

Downsized (thanks Gus 802):
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Image: 142xav9small.gif

42 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:48:53pm

re: #32 Rightwingconspirator

I found this much... 53% Owned by these guys...

Thomson Corporation

Controls Thomson-Reuters from May 2007.

The fine folks who control West and Westlaw.com, a major provider of legal reseaerch tools and publications.

43 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:50:36pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

I think some photo editor's job might be in jeopardy over this.

he'll probably get a promotion ....

44 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:51:23pm

Oh, and Suck It Reuters!

Charles Johnson (and other Lizards) haz pwned ur ass!

45 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:51:24pm

re: #43 _RememberTonyC

he'll probably get a promotion ...

hell he might get a cabinet post.

46 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:51:30pm

re: #30 Obdicut

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


Canadian family owns 53%.

They don't appear, on the surface, that political, but I wouldn't be surprised to find they have major oil interests.

Nope. Thomson Reuters is in the information business.

47 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:52:13pm

re: #29 bloodnok

"Blood and weapons...in the pages of the NEWS? Whoever heard of such nonsense? I mean it's positively unheard of! Remove them with all speed lest our reputation be sullied!"

//Reuters

But they will show unfired, mismatched rifle cartridges held up by a moaning Iraqi woman as evidence that bullets were fired into her house, the poor old dear.

Oh, wait. That was Agence France Presse.

Same agenda, different language.

(Here's the original photo.)

48 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:52:31pm

re: #33 Racer X

All we need now is a prominent White House correspondent to go on record telling the Jews to "get the hell out of Palestine and go back to Germany".


she'll get to blame the jews for this too ....

[Link: www.politico.com...]

49 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:52:59pm
The picture is a cropped version of this photo from a Turkish paper:


Actually, that is the activist group IHH's own website.

50 William of Orange  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:53:22pm

Meanwhile:

look at this video of the Rachel Maddow show in which she flashes back to 1979, back to Deja-Vu country. It's quite amazing that the oil industry didn't learn a thing in 31 years....

Well, they learned two things; drill deeper and make more profit.
An eyeopener.


Youtube Video
51 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:56:56pm

I think whoever cropped this photo should get the Walter Duranty prize for Journalism.

(Just because at least one person reading this won't get it it, Duranty was the journalist who saw piles of bodies and then reported back that there was no famine in the USSR, lest it sully the reputation of communism.)

52 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:57:04pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Nope. Thomson Reuters is in the information business.

The family that owns 53%, not the company itself, is what I was talking about.

The patriarch definitely did:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

But that was in the '70s.

Like I said, there's very little about the family around, they don't seem to involve themselves in politics that often; though obviously a media company is involved in politics by default.

53 zora  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:57:21pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

i'll stick with the redheaded stepchild. some people still actually want to be presented with facts and then form their own opinions and are willing to change their opinions when presented with verifiable, contradicting facts. i for one was shocked when the initial reports of what happened on the flotilla started flooding into the news. i thought "why would israel ambush an aid ship?". after further investigation, including info from the jewish lgf family who had a wealth of information and background on the subject, i was able to see a stark contrast in what is mainstream about israel and the facts. reuters, has obviously decided to promote propaganda and i am thrilled that they are being called on it.

54 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:58:54pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Possibly, but maybe not. We've pissed off the right wing blogs and they won't link to LGF anymore. We're definitely not going to get a Drudge link. The LEfties aren't going to link because it makes the Peace activists look violent. It might get some attention from CNN or something if we're lucky but LGF is sort of a redheaded step child. (No offense)

That's the price you pay for indiscriminately pointing out lies and hypocrisy without political loyalty to "your" side.

55 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:59:01pm

re: #46 MandyManners

From a Canadian point of view, the Thomson family is in the profit business. If you cut them, they bleed brown (the 100CAD is brown in colour). They are only concerned about money. If this is part of a deliberate policy from the top, it's because they think it will make them money. The horrible thing is, they're probably right.

56 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:59:08pm

re: #50 William of Orange

Fucking capitalists. I wish Obama would do something to cripple the oil industry.

57 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:59:16pm

re: #41 MagnaniomousCoward

Animated:

Full size:
Image: f1ax54.gif
Image: 142xav9.gif

Downsized (thanks Gus 802):
Image: f1ax54small.gif
Image: 142xav9small.gif


Fantastic work!

58 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:59:43pm

So the person with the knife is holding one of the straps that is being used to pull the marine to the top of the stairs. Seems that way, anyway.

Is that another marine in the top corner (on the landing) with a bloody hand? It's dark, but the clothes seem to indicate that it might be.

59 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 3:59:45pm

re: #51 EmmmieG

I think whoever cropped this photo should get the Walter Duranty prize for Journalism.

(Just because at least one person reading this won't get it it, Duranty was the journalist who saw piles of bodies and then reported back that there was no famine in the USSR, lest it sully the reputation of communism.)

A Walter Duranty prize should go to all the journalists who see markets overflowing with food and then report back that people are starving in Gaza, in order to sully the reputation of Israel.

60 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:00:59pm

re: #15 jamesfirecat

If they P-shopped it you think they would have gotten it (the blood) all. I mean if you look at the "cropped" picture you can still see a trickle/splash of blood, just not a full puddle of it...


Photo shopping has been taken from their toolbag. All they have left are;
"Mistakes"
photo-cropping
lying by ommission
unflattering pictures of the vilified side
inclusion of unrelated uncomplimentary facts
flattering pictures of the promoted side
and false association


Hell, they're just getting started!

61 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:01:47pm

re: #52 Obdicut

The family that owns 53%, not the company itself, is what I was talking about.

The patriarch definitely did:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

But that was in the '70s.

Like I said, there's very little about the family around, they don't seem to involve themselves in politics that often; though obviously a media company is involved in politics by default.

Being part of a consortium is not "major oil interests".

62 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:04:33pm

re: #52 Obdicut

The family that owns 53%, not the company itself, is what I was talking about.

The patriarch definitely did:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

But that was in the '70s.

Like I said, there's very little about the family around, they don't seem to involve themselves in politics that often; though obviously a media company is involved in politics by default.

My main use of Thomson is it's Westlaw.com and legal publications. No slanting of the product there.

63 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:04:34pm

re: #60 swamprat

Photo shopping has been taken from their toolbag. All they have left are;
"Mistakes"
photo-cropping
lying by ommission
unflattering pictures of the vilified side
inclusion of unrelated uncomplimentary facts
flattering pictures of the promoted side
and false association


Hell, they're just getting started!

Never forget the all-powerful adjective.

64 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:05:35pm

re: #55 Ugly John

From a Canadian point of view, the Thomson family is in the profit business. If you cut them, they bleed brown (the 100CAD is brown in colour). They are only concerned about money. If this is part of a deliberate policy from the top, it's because they think it will make them money. The horrible thing is, they're probably right.

In it for the money?!

*gasp*

65 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:06:40pm

re: #58 Bloodnok

So the person with the knife is holding one of the straps that is being used to pull the marine to the top of the stairs. Seems that way, anyway.

Is that another marine in the top corner (on the landing) with a bloody hand? It's dark, but the clothes seem to indicate that it might be.

You see things better than I do.

66 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:07:13pm

re: #54 Cato the Elder

That's the price you pay for indiscriminately pointing out lies and hypocrisy without political loyalty to "your" side.

True that. If you want the widest exposure, you have to make allies, and often they demand you not go after their side. Hopefully, Charles can find enough neutral people to give him a platform, because this story needs to be told to the whole United States (in most of the world it wouldn't have an impact).

67 brownbagj  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:08:08pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Not stupid. Agenda driven. They don't give a damn about truth. They want to shape the conversation.

It may seem stupid, but they know teh crazy will outrace the truth once the real pictures come out. By then, the argument is decided.

68 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:08:20pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Being part of a consortium is not "major oil interests".

I'm not sure what your point is, Mandy. That was their father, not them. And yes, being part of a North Sea oil consortium would amount to a major oil interest. But it was the father, not them, back in the '70s so it's probably not relevant.

69 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:08:23pm

Hamas deserves some sort of payback for promoting this flotilla bullshit....there are raisins in the future for Hamas

70 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:08:47pm

Melissa Clouthier has been dissing me all over her blog and Twitter.

She just retweeted the original cropping post.

71 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:10:06pm

re: #64 MandyManners

In it for a LOT of money. That family is Canada's wealthiest by far. The only things they care about are a) keeping themselves rich and b) making themselves richer. They will smear Israel if they there is a profit in it for them. They will support Israel when they decide that it is their financial interests to do so. The concept of "the right thing to do" will never enter their minds.

72 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:11:13pm

Heh. This is going to be very difficult for the wingnuts.

73 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:11:28pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

True that. If you want the widest exposure, you have to make allies, and often they demand you not go after their side. Hopefully, Charles can find enough neutral people to give him a platform, because this story needs to be told to the whole United States (in most of the world it wouldn't have an impact).

this story will reach 2% of the gen pop....they are too stupid to give a shit...and there has been overwhelming evidence of Hamas malfeasance in the past, yet support for them grows...it's got to come to a head...in fact I think Israel should have bombed Iran last year

74 wiffersnapper  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:11:55pm

You mean even Reuters has an agenda? Whaaaa? *head asplodes*

75 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:12:08pm

Good News; Egypt is seriously going after the Gaza border smugglers:

Battling Bedouin Bandits In The Sinai

June 6, 2010: The Egyptian government has finally gotten fed up with Bedouin smugglers operating in the Sinai near Gaza. The Bedouin tribes that operate in the Sinai desert make a lot of money from smuggling everything from weapons and drugs to more mundane items like food and medicine. The Bedouin, over the last five or so years, have pretty much turned the Sinai areas where they operate into a lawless, Wild West. In addition to Gaza, the Bedouins have also been involved in smuggling arms and Al-Qaeda fighters out of countries like Somalia, Yemen, and Saudi Arabia, and into countries like Iraq and Syria. All of this has been very lucrative.

SNIP

76 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:12:18pm

re: #65 MandyManners

You see things better than I do.

To me it looks like they cropped out the body of someone lying on the landing with a bloody hand as well. Can't let that little doozy out, now can they? Now, it might have been IDF, might have been a "peace activist" but based on the way the arm is placed there seems to be someone already lying there. Holding area, perhaps?

77 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:12:48pm

re: #68 Obdicut

The family controls it's assets in one big holding company, there's no way for outsiders to separate the father from the sons. They decline to provide any information on who owns what.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:12:52pm

re: #72 Charles

Heh. This is going to be very difficult for the wingnuts.

Why so?

79 Truth Dr.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:13:33pm

The time has come for the US and Israel to call Turkey to task. This was a provocation and an illegal attempt to violate a legal blockade. Turkey must not be allowed to get away with this. Obama has to show principle here and drag Erdogan onto the carpet for this. This may be the last chance to save Turkey from the Islamists. Charles - this is when we'll see what kind of President Obama is because it is clear that Turkey is yanking his chain.

80 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:13:38pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Why so?

They are going to want to cover this soooo badly.

Heh.

81 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:14:20pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Good News; Egypt is seriously going after the Gaza border smugglers:

Battling Bedouin Bandits In The Sinai

SNIP

bigots!
Nazi's!

82 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:15:05pm

re: #72 Charles

Heh. This is going to be very difficult for the wingnuts.

I figure they'll just steal the story without giving credit. I'm kinda surprised someone hasn't already done it.

83 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:15:39pm

re: #64 MandyManners

In it for the money?!

*gasp*

Contrary to what you apparently think, Mandy, people have a moral obligation to check out what they're "in" (sewers, for example) that brings them the money.

There is honest money in sewers, of course. I'm talking about the ethical kind.

84 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:16:12pm

re: #80 Bloodnok

They are going to want to cover this sooo badly.

Heh.

Then they should swallow their pride and cover it. Giving credit to Charles wouldn't be too painful, especially if they used his Glenn Beck story from yesterday to go after Beck at the same time.

85 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:16:13pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

I figure they'll just steal the story without giving credit. I'm kinda surprised someone hasn't already done it.

the more cred they steal, the harder they will fall...it will come out eventually

86 brownbagj  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:18:30pm

The most difficult part of this is, to me anyway, is that no matter what the world at large will just go on believing Israel did wrong here.

There is willful ignorance out there that is seeded in bigotry. Hamas, Turkey and the whole damn bunch know this and exploit it.

Israel will continue to do what is in her interest world opinion be damned, because world opinion doesn't much give a damn about her.

87 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:19:02pm

re: #79 Truth Dr.

The time has come for the US and Israel to call Turkey to task. This was a provocation and an illegal attempt to violate a legal blockade. Turkey must not be allowed to get away with this. Obama has to show principle here and drag Erdogan onto the carpet for this. This may be the last chance to save Turkey from the Islamists. Charles - this is when we'll see what kind of President Obama is because it is clear that Turkey is yanking his chain.

agreed, the other biggest aspect of this whole fiasco...I'm waiting to see what BO does myself, as usual....if he want's to play with the big boys, here's his chance to take a stand, and if he doesn't satisfy me, I'm getting all over the guy....the rubber has hit the road

88 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:19:13pm

re: #72 Charles

Heh. This is going to be very difficult for the wingnuts.

Doesn't fit their agenda to demonise you very well, does it? Lol.

89 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:19:19pm

re: #63 EmmmieG

Never forget the all-powerful adjective.

Some soldiers are
Jackboots
Fighting men
Service men
Warriors
Combatants
Foes
Enemies
Troopers

Every word evokes a different emotional response.

Commandos.

90 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:20:06pm

re: #68 Obdicut

I'm not sure what your point is, Mandy. That was their father, not them. And yes, being part of a North Sea oil consortium would amount to a major oil interest. But it was the father, not them, back in the '70s so it's probably not relevant.

You said that you wouldn't be surprised if they owned major oil interests in No. 39. I pointed out that Thomson is in the information business. Then,

Oh, what am I doing? There's no debate. I'm just being a pissy twit about accuracy.

Never mind, Obdicut.

91 M. Dubious  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:21:00pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

There will be links. They can´t possibly be that retarded.

92 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:21:10pm

re: #71 Ugly John

In it for a LOT of money. That family is Canada's wealthiest by far. The only things they care about are a) keeping themselves rich and b) making themselves richer. They will smear Israel if they there is a profit in it for them. They will support Israel when they decide that it is their financial interests to do so. The concept of "the right thing to do" will never enter their minds.

Reuters was shitting on Israel long before Thomson bought it.

93 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:21:15pm

See the update. There definitely is another injured soldier in the cropped out area.

94 Truth Dr.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:21:29pm

#87

The more information that comes out, the more the Turks have to pay for this. Obama has to tell the Muslim world that a good faith relationship requires both sides exercising good faith. That is clearly not the case here. Erdogan has been stealthily dragging Turkey into the Islamist net and Obama has to act as the Leader of the Free World and do the right thing. Nobody said being President would be easy.

95 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:21:32pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

Then they should swallow their pride and cover it. Giving credit to Charles wouldn't be too painful, especially if they used his Glenn Beck story from yesterday to go after Beck at the same time.

Most of them have gone all-in on a fictional idea about where they think LGF is or what they think Charles will and won't support. This would destroy too much of that. I have a feeling they will ignore it or steal it.

96 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:21:43pm

re: #91 harald

There will be links. They can´t possibly be that retarded.

yes they can...it's willful

97 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:21:49pm

re: #71 Ugly John

In it for a LOT of money. That family is Canada's wealthiest by far. The only things they care about are a) keeping themselves rich and b) making themselves richer. They will smear Israel if they there is a profit in it for them. They will support Israel when they decide that it is their financial interests to do so. The concept of "the right thing to do" will never enter their minds.

And, again. I'm shocked. Shocked, I say. Someone is in business for money. What a world. What a world.

98 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:22:15pm

re: #90 MandyManners

I have not said that they have major oil interests. I said that their father has and I said I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they did, given that oil stocks are a standard blue-chip stock.

What have I said that's inaccurate? I disagree with you in that I think being part of a consortium with Getty does in fact mean that you have major oil interests, but 'major' is subjective.

99 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:22:26pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Good News; Egypt is seriously going after the Gaza border smugglers:

Battling Bedouin Bandits In The Sinai


SNIP

When they're not busy shooting Somalis in the back?

100 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:23:01pm

re: #93 Charles

See the update. There definitely is another injured soldier in the cropped out area.

Wow!

101 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:23:10pm

re: #76 Bloodnok

To me it looks like they cropped out the body of someone lying on the landing with a bloody hand as well. Can't let that little doozy out, now can they? Now, it might have been IDF, might have been a "peace activist" but based on the way the arm is placed there seems to be someone already lying there. Holding area, perhaps?

They were busy little bastards.

102 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:23:49pm

re: #93 Charles

See the update. There definitely is another injured soldier in the cropped out area.

oh man....the excuses vanish, this is most certainly contrived...DUH!

103 Truth Dr.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:24:09pm

That is unbelievable with respect to Reuters' cropping. I'm sure AFP is up to the same thing.

104 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:24:14pm

re: #76 Bloodnok

To me it looks like they cropped out the body of someone lying on the landing with a bloody hand as well. Can't let that little doozy out, now can they? Now, it might have been IDF, might have been a "peace activist" but based on the way the arm is placed there seems to be someone already lying there. Holding area, perhaps?

Yeah, a hand above the hand with the knife. Clenched fist with the palm turned upward.

105 M. Dubious  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:24:57pm

And btw, thank you for keeping on! It´s a pure delight browsing through LGF after being fed the MSM narrative all day long.

106 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:24:58pm

re: #79 Truth Dr.

The time has come for the US and Israel to call Turkey to task. This was a provocation and an illegal attempt to violate a legal blockade. Turkey must not be allowed to get away with this. Obama has to show principle here and drag Erdogan onto the carpet for this. This may be the last chance to save Turkey from the Islamists. Charles - this is when we'll see what kind of President Obama is because it is clear that Turkey is yanking his chain.

Just like ShortShit yanked it last summer?

107 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:25:13pm

re: #87 albusteve

agreed, the other biggest aspect of this whole fiasco...I'm waiting to see what BO does myself, as usual...if he want's to play with the big boys, here's his chance to take a stand, and if he doesn't satisfy me, I'm getting all over the guy...the rubber has hit the road

I'm sure he's terrified.

108 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:25:15pm

re: #103 Truth Dr.

That is unbelievable with respect to Reuters' cropping. I'm sure AFP is up to the same thing.

I checked earlier. AFP wasn't publishing them and AP published but didn't alter the pics.

109 philosophus invidius  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:25:35pm

I wonder what the straps are that they are dragging him with by his arms and legs. Is is possible that they were part of a premeditated plan to take the sailors hostage? Or are they just part of his own equipment?

110 Truth Dr.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:25:39pm

Israel has to go to the attack against Turkey in the UN and the US has to be shoulder to shoulder with Israel. In addition, Israel has to seek apologies from every Western country that has criticized her actions here. It was clearly an aggressive attack by Turkey and that's where the blame should lie. Particularly, as it's been determined that all of the dead were Turkish terrorist members of IHH.

111 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:25:46pm

This post has been linked by the blogger who exposed Green Helmet.

Here we go again.

112 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:26:45pm

re: #94 Truth Dr.

#87

The more information that comes out, the more the Turks have to pay for this. Obama has to tell the Muslim world that a good faith relationship requires both sides exercising good faith. That is clearly not the case here. Erdogan has been stealthily dragging Turkey into the Islamist net and Obama has to act as the Leader of the Free World and do the right thing. Nobody said being President would be easy.

BO does not want to lead the free world...he's a domestic community organizer way over his head...but he can do it if he hitches it up, but will he?...he's gonna piss people off and he can't stand that

113 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:27:45pm

re: #97 MandyManners

That's why we have to make it unprofitable to make these false reports. As long as we are depending some kind of moral, ethical, or just reasoning to make them print the truth we will fail. Only when telling the truth about Israel and her neighbours makes more profit than telling lies will we see accurate reporting out of the middle east.

114 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:28:00pm

Yeah and if you look at the gif animation, they cropped while retaining the right edge of the image just as it was, so it wasn't just zooming and aspect ratio either. This looks pretty darn deliberate now.

Reminds me of how the news in Norway re-cut Kanye West's "George Bush doesn't care about black people" to not show Mike Myers' appropriate reaction.

115 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:28:06pm

re: #107 JasonA

I'm sure he's terrified.

I'm sure he is too

116 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:28:40pm

re: #83 Cato the Elder

Contrary to what you apparently think, Mandy, people have a moral obligation to check out what they're "in" (sewers, for example) that brings them the money.

There is honest money in sewers, of course. I'm talking about the ethical kind.

From what I've seen, Thomson's been a pretty decent company. It provides a solid product for a reasonable price. But, then again, I'm talking about my use of its West and Westlaw.com divisions.

Reuters has been anti-Israeli long before the acquisition. Maybe part of the acquisition was a stipulation that Thomson not mess around in the editorial decisions.

If so, maybe there could be a way void that by coming down hard on Reuters for violating its own policies.

117 Truth Dr.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:29:14pm

#106 Mandy Manners

I agree that Obama blew it with Ahmadnijad last year as he thought acting in good faith would bring reciprocal good faith from the mullahs. Clearly it didn't. This is Obama's test to see if he learned from his mistakes and that those who rule by Islamic law cannot be trusted and are generally acting malevolently (e.g., Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, etc.). Jordan may be one of the few exceptions to the rule but that is only at the top, there are a lot of rotten apples below the King.

118 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:29:17pm

re: #112 albusteve

BO does not want to lead the free world...he's a domestic community organizer way over his head...but he can do it if he hitches it up, but will he?...he's gonna piss people off and he can't stand that

he seems fine about pissing off Netanyahu

119 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:29:37pm

re: #86 brownbagj

The most difficult part of this is, to me anyway, is that no matter what the world at large will just go on believing Israel did wrong here.

There is willful ignorance out there that is seeded in bigotry. Hamas, Turkey and the whole damn bunch know this and exploit it.

Israel will continue to do what is in her interest world opinion be damned, because world opinion doesn't much give a damn about her.

That pretty much sums up my opinion.

120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #93 Charles

See the update. There definitely is another injured soldier in the cropped out area.

Great catch, Charles. It makes it even clearer that al-Reuters is full of shit.

121 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:30:28pm

re: #118 _RememberTonyC

he seems fine about pissing off Netanyahu

curious isn't it?
good point

122 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:30:46pm

OK, here's another one. I did a shadow/highlight and sharpened.

Image: ihhidfhighres.jpg

If you click on "another one" that will open a new window or tab so you can see the full size image.

123 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:31:16pm

re: #114 MagnaniomousCoward


Reminds me of how the news in Norway re-cut Kanye West's "George Bush doesn't care about black people" to not show Mike Myers' appropriate reaction.

This might need some explanation. What I mean by it is news editors who agree with the message of the people being shown stepping in to moderate or tone down their crazy to make it make look better than it is.

124 MJ  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:31:31pm

re: #79 Truth Dr.

The time has come for the US and Israel to call Turkey to task. This was a provocation and an illegal attempt to violate a legal blockade. Turkey must not be allowed to get away with this. Obama has to show principle here and drag Erdogan onto the carpet for this. This may be the last chance to save Turkey from the Islamists. Charles - this is when we'll see what kind of President Obama is because it is clear that Turkey is yanking his chain.

The Washington Post in yesterday's editorial already started to put the blame where it belongs- on Turkey:

Turkey's Erdogan bears responsibility in flotilla fiasco

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:31:48pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Yeah, a hand above the hand with the knife. Clenched fist with the palm turned upward.

Obama to "activist": Unclench your fist.

/

126 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:31:50pm

re: #95 Bloodnok

Most of them have gone all-in on a fictional idea about where they think LGF is or what they think Charles will and won't support. This would destroy too much of that. I have a feeling they will ignore it or steal it.

I remember when trolls would chide us for being white, rich, hetero, American, Christian-Republicans,

...Then Birkenstock cowboy would start posting...
...One or two of our overseas members would chime in..
...Various ethnic backgrounded poster would comment...

Troll would look around and go; "W.T.F.?"

..Fun times.

127 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:32:00pm

re: #107 JasonA

I'm sure he's terrified.

Definitely an Oh crap moment. /Invisible Man ref

128 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:32:50pm

re: #98 Obdicut

I have not said that they have major oil interests. I said that their father has and I said I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they did, given that oil stocks are a standard blue-chip stock.

What have I said that's inaccurate? I disagree with you in that I think being part of a consortium with Getty does in fact mean that you have major oil interests, but 'major' is subjective.

Roy's dead. I don't know if the family kept their interests in there but, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. But, Thomson really grew when it bought West.

129 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:32:51pm

re: #122 Gus 802

OK, here's another one. I did a shadow/highlight and sharpened.

Image: ihhidfhighres.jpg

If you click on "another one" that will open a new window or tab so you can see the full size image.

Great work. Looks like more defensive hand wounds from a knife again.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:33:02pm

re: #124 MJ

The Washington Post in yesterday's editorial already started to put the blame where it belongs- on Turkey:

Turkey's Erdogan bears responsibility in flotilla fiasco

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I'm somewhat surprised they printed that, though I'm glad for it.

131 Truth Dr.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:33:15pm

#124 MJ

Good to hear. We need to say it loud:

Turkey is to blame for the flotilla fiasco and must issue an apology to Israel. It must also stop supporting terrorist organizations, such as Hamas, Hezbollah and IHH and end its military relationships with Syria and Iran. Otherwise, it gets turfed out of NATO and censured by the US.

132 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:33:28pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Obama to "activist": Unclench your fist.

/

"we are all children of the Great Collective and we will help you mainstream your hatred"

133 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:33:58pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

*cough*

134 M. Dubious  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:34:16pm

Are we sure the person in the corner is IDF?

135 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:34:17pm

re: #111 Bagua

This post has been linked by the blogger who exposed Green Helmet.

Here we go again.

Green Helmet guy was another busy little bastard.

136 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:34:40pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Great work. Looks like more defensive hand wounds from a knife again.

Yep. And typically you'll see that on the left hand with law enforcement, soldiers, etc.

137 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:34:42pm

where's Cheney when you need him?

138 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:36:17pm

re: #113 Ugly John

That's why we have to make it unprofitable to make these false reports. As long as we are depending some kind of moral, ethical, or just reasoning to make them print the truth we will fail. Only when telling the truth about Israel and her neighbours makes more profit than telling lies will we see accurate reporting out of the middle east.

Oh, I agree but, Thomson's doing just fine. What can people do to make a dent in it? Boycotting West and Westlaw.com is not possible. It's the sole publisher of legal reporters and other texts and on-line information.

139 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:37:11pm

re: #111 Bagua

flashing gifs ahoy

140 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:39:35pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Great catch, Charles. It makes it even clearer that al-Reuters is full of shit.

Actually, Bloodnok pointed out the hand originally - which gave me the idea to boost the exposure.

141 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:39:40pm

re: #138 MandyManners

You don't need to boycott the whole conglomerate - if the part of the business that obfuscates news photography becomes unprofitable, they'll downsize it away, unless they keep it for ideological reasons or other reasons. If money is all that matters to them, a boycott of just Reuters of the sort where they lose a lot of income, might work.

142 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:40:40pm

Nice, but still every MSM outlet is calling it either a "major blunder" by Israel, how is fighting for your lives a blunder? They tried to use less than lethal means and they got their asses kicked, got beaten, stabbed, and even shot with their own handguns.

They had absolutely no choice but to resort to lethal force as has been increasingly ever more clear the more evidence has come to light. They tried very hard not to kill, but it just wasn't possible, because of the actions of the "Peace activists."

You still have a few people here saying "I don't know, we don't really have evidence from both sides yet..." Gahhh! You have got to be kidding me, Israel was enforcing a legally declared blockade according to established international law, boarding the ships to prevent them from running the blockade was completely legal according to international law.

The only people who broke the law were the Hama's supporters who attacked the Israelis, what more is it that you think we need to know about the situation? Really what else is there that you think we need to consider?

143 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:40:41pm

re: #140 Charles

I noticed the hand, but I didn't pay any particular attention to it, because I already knew what was going on in the photos.

144 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:40:57pm

re: #117 Truth Dr.

#106 Mandy Manners

I agree that Obama blew it with Ahmadnijad last year as he thought acting in good faith would bring reciprocal good faith from the mullahs. Clearly it didn't. This is Obama's test to see if he learned from his mistakes and that those who rule by Islamic law cannot be trusted and are generally acting malevolently (e.g., Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, etc.). Jordan may be one of the few exceptions to the rule but that is only at the top, there are a lot of rotten apples below the King.

Remember how he hung Israel out to dry during and following the flap about buidling in Jerusalem a few months ago? Remember how he ignored the dedication of a public square to the memory of a murderous terrorist in the West Bank by the PA at the very same time?

145 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:41:14pm

re: #140 Charles

Actually, Bloodnok pointed out the hand originally - which gave me the idea to boost the exposure.

Then thanks and an upding to Bloodnok as well.

146 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:42:22pm

re: #122 Gus 802

OK, here's another one. I did a shadow/highlight and sharpened.

Image: ihhidfhighres.jpg

If you click on "another one" that will open a new window or tab so you can see the full size image.

Another hand with supposed defensive wounds on it.

147 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:43:28pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Obama to "activist": Unclench your fist.

/

*grim smile*

148 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:43:49pm

Don't mess with LGF.

149 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:43:55pm

re: #146 MandyManners

Another hand with supposed defensive wounds on it.

Yep. Same image from above.

Let's see how they talk themselves out of these photos since they're still crying "peace activists."

150 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:44:03pm

re: #138 MandyManners

westlaw.com is the perfect example. They have a customer base that demands accurate information and so they get it. As long as Reuters (man, that's hard to spell after two beers) can make more money telling lies than the truth, they will continue to tell lies. Exposing these types of fabrications needs to be paired with finding a way to convince Reuters' customers not to purchase that product. As soon as Reuters believes that they could make more money honestly reporting what is going on they will do so. The good news is, the owners have no ideological opposition to Israel (unlike many other "news" sources). They can be convinced to tell the truth if we can convince them that they will make more money doing so.

151 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:44:25pm

re: #131 Truth Dr.

#124 MJ

Good to hear. We need to say it loud:

Turkey is to blame for the flotilla fiasco and must issue an apology to Israel. It must also stop supporting terrorist organizations, such as Hamas, Hezbollah and IHH and end its military relationships with Syria and Iran. Otherwise, it gets turfed out of NATO and censured by the US.

Wasn't this the first time a state sponsored a flotilla?

152 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:45:34pm

re: #134 harald

Are we sure the person in the corner is IDF?

Who else could it be? Wouldn't the terrorists/tersymps have their wounded out of the way?

Oh, wait. Were there any wounded terrorists/tersymps that time?

153 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:47:02pm

re: #144 MandyManners

Remember how he hung Israel out to dry during and following the flap about buidling in Jerusalem a few months ago? Remember how he ignored the dedication of a public square to the memory of a murderous terrorist in the West Bank by the PA at the very same time?

his record in the ME is pitiful imo...events are now overtaking him, just like the oil spill, he seems to be hands off unless it supports his agenda...we'll know more soon I hope

154 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:47:44pm

re: #141 MagnaniomousCoward

You don't need to boycott the whole conglomerate - if the part of the business that obfuscates news photography becomes unprofitable, they'll downsize it away, unless they keep it for ideological reasons or other reasons. If money is all that matters to them, a boycott of just Reuters of the sort where they lose a lot of income, might work.

How big a chunk is Reuters? How can the ordinary person boycott it?

155 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:48:46pm

re: #146 MandyManners

Another hand with supposed defensive wounds on it.

Could be the same hand. There weren't many IDF commandos taken prisoner, remember. Maybe the hands can be compared?

Youtube Video
156 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:48:55pm

re: #149 Gus 802

Yep. Same image from above.

Let's see how they talk themselves out of these photos since they're still crying "peace activists."

Why should they try to talk themselves out of them? Who's clamoring for the truth out there?

157 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:49:56pm

re: #154 MandyManners

By informing their local news media that they'll refrain from buying media that uses Reuters.

158 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:50:21pm

re: #154 MandyManners

There's the hard part. Reuters doesn't sell to end users. We have to convince the newspapers, TV stations, and other media outlets not to buy content from Reuters.

159 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:51:09pm

re: #131 Truth Dr.

#124 MJ

Good to hear. We need to say it loud:

Turkey is to blame for the flotilla fiasco and must issue an apology to Israel. It must also stop supporting terrorist organizations, such as Hamas, Hezbollah and IHH and end its military relationships with Syria and Iran. Otherwise, it gets turfed out of NATO and censured by the US.

I'm partial to the old fashioned way. I would see the CIA sending in truck loads of cash to select military members and overthrow this piece of pituitary, Erdogan.

160 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:51:12pm

re: #156 MandyManners

Why should they try to talk themselves out of them? Who's clamoring for the truth out there?

hopefully the US State Dept....doubtful tho, Hilary is already senile and BO is shooting waffles

161 M. Dubious  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:51:19pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Don´t know... Or was the question rhetorical? (I excuse my comprehension!)

162 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:51:59pm

re: #150 Ugly John

westlaw.com is the perfect example. They have a customer base that demands accurate information and so they get it. As long as Reuters (man, that's hard to spell after two beers) can make more money telling lies than the truth, they will continue to tell lies. Exposing these types of fabrications needs to be paired with finding a way to convince Reuters' customers not to purchase that product. As soon as Reuters believes that they could make more money honestly reporting what is going on they will do so. The good news is, the owners have no ideological opposition to Israel (unlike many other "news" sources). They can be convinced to tell the truth if we can convince them that they will make more money doing so.

You do realize that Reuters' customers are the MFM, don't you?

163 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:52:36pm

re: #153 albusteve

his record in the ME is pitiful imo...events are now overtaking him, just like the oil spill, he seems to be hands off unless it supports his agenda...we'll know more soon I hope

I just hope North Korea shuts the fuck up.

164 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:53:10pm

re: #155 MagnaniomousCoward

Could be the same hand. There weren't many IDF commandos taken prisoner, remember. Maybe the hands can be compared?

[Video]

The same one in the photograph in the previous thread?

165 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:53:20pm

re: #146 MandyManners

Another hand with supposed defensive wounds on it.

Could be the same soldier from the photo in the previous thread back there. The bloodstain on the sleeve looks similar to one seen in those photos.

166 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:54:27pm

re: #157 MagnaniomousCoward

By informing their local news media that they'll refrain from buying media that uses Reuters.

Look, the vast majority of people are busy working and raising families. They don't have time to get this involved in a debate that they don't think has a direct impact on those two activities.

167 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:55:03pm

ok everyone, just a quick line. I'm going to be taking a break from posting here.

various reasons i won't bore you with.

will try to check back in occasionally.

168 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:55:28pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Of course, that's why they can get away with so much. You don't (and indeed can't) buy anything from them. They sign contracts with newspapers that are almost impossible to get out of. They can distribute their crap and still turn a solid profit.

169 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:55:35pm

re: #157 MagnaniomousCoward

By informing their local news media that they'll refrain from buying media that uses Reuters.

I apologize for my snotty and condescending tone in No. 166 but, I do think it's a bit optimistic to expect the average media consumer to even know about this controversy let alone have the time and energy to do something about it.

170 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:55:59pm

re: #158 Ugly John

There's the hard part. Reuters doesn't sell to end users. We have to convince the newspapers, TV stations, and other media outlets not to buy content from Reuters.

HOW?!

171 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:56:05pm

re: #164 MandyManners

yes

see also re: #165 Bloodnok

172 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:56:36pm

re: #167 wozzablog

Good luck and take care.

173 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:57:02pm

re: #167 wozzablog

ok - hit send to early.

would just also like to say - i wish you all the best and thank Charles for being a gracious host while i've been here.

174 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:57:18pm

re: #169 MandyManners

I apologize for my snotty and condescending tone in No. 166 but, I do think it's a bit optimistic to expect the average media consumer to even know about this controversy let alone have the time and energy to do something about it.

Any apology that is followed by "but" is not an apology.

MagnaniomousCoward, I apologize for my snotty and condescending tone.

175 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:57:38pm

re: #169 MandyManners

re: #170 MandyManners

No offense taken. If you and some friends write a short, polite and specific letter/postcard to the local newspapers, that might be all that's needed to trickle the discontent "uplines". The goal doesn't have to be to shut down Reuters, but to correct this malpractice.

176 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:58:02pm

re: #173 wozzablog

Safe travels, Wozza.

177 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:58:06pm

re: #160 albusteve

hopefully the US State Dept...doubtful tho, Hilary is already senile and BO is shooting waffles

State?! ROLFMAO!

178 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:58:28pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Any apology that is followed by "but" is not an apology.

MagnaniomousCoward, I apologize for my snotty and condescending tone.

if you were handy, I'd beat you myself, you shrimp

179 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:58:54pm

Genesis 12:3 at this point.

Come on, Reuters

Who are you working for

180 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:59:07pm

re: #161 harald

Don´t know... Or was the question rhetorical? (I excuse my comprehension!)

From what I've gathered, there were no wounded terrorists/tersymps at the time those photographs were taken.

181 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:59:14pm

re: #170 MandyManners

If I knew that I would be preaching it from every street corner in the western world. They've got themselves a nice little system that keeps churning out cash. They're insulated against any pressure that "the little people" can bring. It makes me feel so helpless sometimes that lies make more money than the truth. What kind of world is that?

182 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:59:41pm

re: #165 Bloodnok

Could be the same soldier from the photo in the previous thread back there. The bloodstain on the sleeve looks similar to one seen in those photos.

Beats me.

183 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 4:59:57pm

re: #167 wozzablog

Take care!

184 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:00:08pm

re: #160 albusteve

hopefully the US State Dept...doubtful tho, Hilary is already senile and BO is shooting waffles

I hear those egos can be mighty tricksy, yah gotta lead em just so....

185 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:00:36pm

re: #168 Ugly John

Of course, that's why they can get away with so much. You don't (and indeed can't) buy anything from them. They sign contracts with newspapers that are almost impossible to get out of. They can distribute their crap and still turn a solid profit.

Bingo.

186 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:00:54pm

re: #171 MagnaniomousCoward

yes

see also re: #165 Bloodnok

Beats me.

187 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:03:13pm

Anyone into a Lakers live chat?

188 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:03:14pm

re: #175 MagnaniomousCoward

re: #170 MandyManners

No offense taken. If you and some friends write a short, polite and specific letter/postcard to the local newspapers, that might be all that's needed to trickle the discontent "uplines". The goal doesn't have to be to shut down Reuters, but to correct this malpractice.

Why should the local editor give a flying fuck about our opinions?

(I'm former reporter who got out of the racket after I couldn't stomach the crap I saw.)

189 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:03:34pm

re: #178 albusteve

if you were handy, I'd beat you myself, you shrimp

*shove*

190 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:04:11pm

re: #179 Ojoe

Genesis 12:3 at this point.

Come on, Reuters

Who are you working for

Spot on.

191 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:05:34pm

re: #181 Ugly John

If I knew that I would be preaching it from every street corner in the western world. They've got themselves a nice little system that keeps churning out cash. They're insulated against any pressure that "the little people" can bring. It makes me feel so helpless sometimes that lies make more money than the truth. What kind of world is that?

It's not just Thomson. Look at AP. AFP. UPI. New York Times. The Guardian. The LA Times. Time. CNN. MSNBC. Et bloody alia.

192 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:05:41pm

re: #171 MagnaniomousCoward

yes

see also re: #165 Bloodnok

I don't think it could be the same soldier from the first set of pictures. The head covering in this one has a slit for the mouth while the last one is solid from the chin to the throat (unless it's just bunched up and they all have the opening for the mouth).. My guess is that this is the next soldier brought up there.

193 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:06:08pm

re: #181 Ugly John

If I knew that I would be preaching it from every street corner in the western world. They've got themselves a nice little system that keeps churning out cash. They're insulated against any pressure that "the little people" can bring. It makes me feel so helpless sometimes that lies make more money than the truth. What kind of world is that?

What kind of world is that? The world inhabited by humans.

194 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:06:13pm

re: #189 MandyManners

*shove*

don't ever do that again

195 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:06:46pm

re: #194 albusteve

don't ever do that again

*SHOVE*

196 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:07:03pm

re: #194 albusteve

don't ever do that again

*atomic wedgie*

197 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:08:48pm

re: #195 MandyManners

*SHOVE*

Do not trust the shover robot.

198 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:08:56pm

re: #177 MandyManners

State?! ROLFMAO!

That is hilarious. A jellyfish has more backbone than the State Department.

199 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:10:11pm

re: #195 MandyManners

*SHOVE*

I consider shoving foreplay...
shove me again

200 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:10:46pm

Helen Thomas dropped by agency.

Heh.

I'm pretty sure the guys who represent David Duke and David Irving will be eager to pick up the slack.

201 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:11:31pm

re: #197 Alouette

Do not trust the shover robot.

All peace activists, please stand next to the stairs.

202 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:12:28pm

re: #197 Alouette

Well the stairs on the Mavi Marmara weren't protected.

203 emcesq  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:12:36pm

Comment posted on Reuters re Mavi Marmara:
([Link: www.reuters.com...]

"It’s never been explained why the Jews must live separately from normal people."

On the anniversary of D-Day, no less. I was told once "You cannot fix stupid!"

204 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:13:07pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

When your own PR people come into the office on the weekend to put out a statement dumping you - you just might have screwed up.

205 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:14:24pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

Helen Thomas dropped by agency.

Heh.

I'm pretty sure the guys who represent David Duke and David Irving will be eager to pick up the slack.

Glad to hear it. At least she's lost some money for her bigoted words.

206 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:15:42pm

Maybe I missed something earlier in the week that explains this. Maybe there is a Turkish translation that clears this up. And maybe it doesn't even say what I think it says. But does it say "Mavi Marmara Morons" on the orange lifevest?

207 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:16:01pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

Helen Thomas dropped by agency.

Heh.

I'm pretty sure the guys who represent David Duke and David Irving will be eager to pick up the slack.

I wonder if Hurst will take the hint

208 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:16:17pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Glad to hear it. At least she's lost some money for her bigoted words.

And she's pretty much thrown away her entire career. This will probably be what she's remembered for.

209 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:16:50pm

re: #199 albusteve

I consider shoving foreplay...
shove me again

*runs screaming*

210 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:17:19pm

re: #148 Bagua

Don't mess with LGF.

May I point out a couple buttons on the front page to those who approve of the invaluable job LGF does in exposing anti-Israel propaganda?

Image: capturenvz.jpg

It is only $10 a month to subscribe and show your support, and donations can be in any amount.

211 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:17:40pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

Helen Thomas dropped by agency.

Heh.

I'm pretty sure the guys who represent David Duke and David Irving will be eager to pick up the slack.

Exellent news!

212 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:18:00pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

And she's pretty much thrown away her entire career. This will probably be what she's remembered for.

too bad...I'm pretty cold blooded about that stuff

213 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:18:26pm

re: #203 emcesq

Comment posted on Reuters re Mavi Marmara:
([Link: www.reuters.com...]

"It’s never been explained why the Jews must live separately from normal people."

On the anniversary of D-Day, no less. I was told once "You cannot fix stupid!"

Normal people?

Since when do normal people lob rockets at their neighbors?

214 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:18:49pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Anyone into a Lakers live chat?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

215 avanti  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:18:53pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

Helen Thomas dropped by agency.

Heh.

I'm pretty sure the guys who represent David Duke and David Irving will be eager to pick up the slack.

The White House Correspondents' Association should kick her out, or at the very least send her to the back row.

216 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:19:14pm

re: #212 albusteve

too bad...I'm pretty cold blooded about that stuff

Yeah, I was never a fan of her anyways so I really don't care but there are a lot of people out there who really respected her.

217 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:19:38pm

re: #206 Bloodnok

Maybe I missed something earlier in the week that explains this. Maybe there is a Turkish translation that clears this up. And maybe it doesn't even say what I think it says. But does it say "Mavi Marmara Morons" on the orange lifevest?

Looks like it to me.

218 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:19:41pm

Yesterday I opened my safe and dug out the white-gold Star of David that I bought in Israel. It now hangs proudly on the same chain as my yellow-gold Celtic cross.

The cross alone is a conversation-starter. Hoping for reactions.

219 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:21:17pm

re: #218 Cato the Elder

Yesterday I opened my safe and dug out the white-gold Star of David that I bought in Israel. It now hangs proudly on the same chain as my yellow-gold Celtic cross.

The cross alone is a conversation-starter. Hoping for reactions.

Might you add a yin-yang symbol?

220 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:21:21pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I was never a fan of her anyways so I really don't care but there are a lot of people out there who really respected her.

Only those who didn't know her or, who agreed with her blatant partisanship.

221 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:21:35pm

re: #209 MandyManners

*runs screaming*

ooohh ahhhh!
come back here child!

222 emcesq  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:22:27pm

re: #213 MandyManners

This is just one example of the mentality out there. I suspect this comment is due to a mind educated by the current public schooling in the USA.

223 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:22:50pm

re: #219 abolitionist

Might you add a yin-yang symbol?

Maybe on my girlish charm bracelet...

Coexist!

224 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:23:34pm

re: #222 emcesq

This is just one example of the mentality out there. I suspect this comment is due to a mind educated by the current public schooling in the USA.

You forget that most minds educated by the public school system couldn't find Turkey on a map. (Not joking.)

It's the college "education" that does this.

225 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:24:24pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I was never a fan of her anyways so I really don't care but there are a lot of people out there who really respected her.

she's an old liberal slut....she gets used by the WH Press, Hurst, and her own family...a pet around the WH nobody has the guts to cut loose, now she's done for herself what nobody else had the balls to do...there is no place in the media for her otherwise...an old, used up rag

226 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:24:31pm

re: #218 Cato the Elder

Well good for you. & the Celtic cross has a sun wheel; it's sort of ancient pagan, grafted in. And I have always thought that all good people are seamlessly connected at the deepest level.

John McCormack sings. Celtic cross in the foreground.

Good night all.

227 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:25:24pm

re: #219 abolitionist

Might you add a yin-yang symbol?

I've got that covered. (See avatar)

When Cato and I are sat sipping Vinho Verde in the Algarve people can see all three symbols.

Image: portugal_algarve.jpg

228 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:26:07pm

re: #219 abolitionist

Might you add a yin-yang symbol?

and some platinum weed leaves!...a Druid bottle opener!

229 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:26:46pm

re: #206 Bloodnok

Maybe I missed something earlier in the week that explains this. Maybe there is a Turkish translation that clears this up. And maybe it doesn't even say what I think it says. But does it say "Mavi Marmara Morons" on the orange lifevest?

It says Mavi Marmari, Moroni. The ship is registered in the Comoros, and Moroni is the capital of the Comoros.

230 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:28:32pm

re: #229 MagnaniomousCoward

It says Mavi Marmari, Moroni. The ship is registered in the Comoros, and Moroni is the capital of the Comoros.

Moroni is apparently plural for Moron is Comorian.

231 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:28:53pm

re: #229 MagnaniomousCoward

It says Mavi Marmari, Moroni. The ship is registered in the Comoros, and Moroni is the capital of the Comoros.

I kinda thought it was too good to be true. Thanks for the explanation!

232 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:28:56pm

okay, forget the bottle opener...that was stupid

233 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:29:08pm

re: #222 emcesq

This is just one example of the mentality out there. I suspect this comment is due to a mind educated by the current public schooling in the USA.

Actually, this kind of anti-Semitism is common all over the world.

234 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:29:28pm

re: #223 Cato the Elder

Maybe on my girlish charm bracelet...

Coexist!

Gotta' add a crescent, Cato.

235 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:30:01pm

re: #231 Bloodnok

There is also a Moroni, Utah, named after the Mormon prophet/angel Moroni.

236 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:30:48pm

re: #225 albusteve

STEVE? No need to impugn her sexual morality. Do you call anti-Semitic men that word?

237 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:31:00pm

re: #226 Ojoe

Well good for you. & the Celtic cross has a sun wheel; it's sort of ancient pagan, grafted in. And I have always thought that all good people are seamlessly connected at the deepest level.

John McCormack sings. Celtic cross in the foreground.

Good night all.

Thanks for that.

Little-known fact: McCormack and James Joyce had the same singing teacher, Vincent O'Brien. And Joyce was a big fan of McCormack's singing.

238 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:31:21pm

re: #234 MandyManners

Gotta' add a crescent, Cato.

And an atom.

/

239 Ugly John  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:31:45pm

re: #235 MagnaniomousCoward

I'd love to see an ocean-going vessel claiming any place in Utah as a home port.

240 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:31:46pm

re: #236 MandyManners

STEVE? No need to impugn her sexual morality. Do you call anti-Semitic men that word?

every chance I get

241 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:31:54pm

re: #229 MagnaniomousCoward

It says Mavi Marmari, Moroni. The ship is registered in the Comoros, and Moroni is the capital of the Comoros.

Thanks for clearing up that bit of cognitive dissonance.

242 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:32:04pm

re: #227 Bagua

I've got that covered. (See avatar)

When Cato and I are sat sipping Vinho Verde in the Algarve people can see all three symbols.

Image: portugal_algarve.jpg

Speed the day!

243 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:32:46pm

re: #240 albusteve

every chance I get

Tim Blair, ignorant slut.

244 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:33:10pm

re: #243 Bagua

Tim Blair, ignorant slut.

like that

245 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:34:36pm

little known fact...
I share my birthday with Chester Burnett

246 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:37:14pm

re: #203 emcesq

Comment posted on Reuters re Mavi Marmara:
([Link: www.reuters.com...]

"It’s never been explained why the Jews must live separately from normal people."

On the anniversary of D-Day, no less. I was told once "You cannot fix stupid!"

Last night was the night of nights. When pathfinders paved the way for the Normandy landing 66 years ago.

Whoever made the comment is rather clueless. 40 percent of world Jews live in Israel and another 40 percent reside in the U.S.A. and the rest are found in other nations. They do not live separately from people.

247 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:38:30pm

I apologize to everyone I insulted in the last thread. Sometimes frustration at a certain style of thinking, one that I simply cannot understand, coupled with the ever present sharp edge of clinical depressive anger get way too close together and I forget to treat humans as humans.

I will attempt to stay away from threads that anger me, and remember to treat others with respect in all other threads.

248 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:39:34pm

re: #247 b_sharp

I apologize to everyone I insulted in the last thread. Sometimes frustration at a certain style of thinking, one that I simply cannot understand, coupled with the ever present sharp edge of clinical depressive anger get way too close together and I forget to treat humans as humans.

I will attempt to stay away from threads that anger me, and remember to treat others with respect in all other threads.

no problem

249 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:40:09pm

re: #239 Ugly John

I'd love to see an ocean-going vessel claiming any place in Utah as a home port.

Well as I said last night, plenty of landlocked states are members of the International Whaling Commission for some silly reason, and a flotilla is being organized to Kurdistan, so why not?

250 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:40:16pm

re: #247 b_sharp

Understood b_sharp.

251 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:41:18pm

re: #247 b_sharp

I apologize to everyone I insulted in the last thread. Sometimes frustration at a certain style of thinking, one that I simply cannot understand, coupled with the ever present sharp edge of clinical depressive anger get way too close together and I forget to treat humans as humans.

I will attempt to stay away from threads that anger me, and remember to treat others with respect in all other threads.

Don't avoid those threads! Just push back from the desk and take a walk around the building/house/yard. Go get a soda. Breathe.

(((b_sharp)))

252 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:41:23pm

re: #246 Gus 802

Last night was the night of nights. When pathfinders paved the way for the Normandy landing 66 years ago.

Whoever made the comment is rather clueless. 40 percent of world Jews live in Israel and another 40 percent reside in the U.S.A. and the rest are found in other nations. They do not live separately from people.

they say there was a Jew spotted in NM a couple of years ago, but just a rumor...

I jest

253 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:41:45pm

American paralyzed in Hamas bus bombing in 2003 dies of his injuries.

Look at the comments on this Associated Press page

No sympathy for zealot nut jobs that pick a fight with nearly 2 billion Muslims......The Jews picked a fight with the Muslims and some how America gets sucked into a war the Jews started..........

Updinged 36 times!

POETIC JUSTICE - This is what happens when you chose to support State Terrorism, apartheid - the only remaining apartheid nation, stealing, racism - for jews only. Hope other like minded idiots take note and not go in to a place which was stolen from another people and they made to live in Gestapo type camps.
YESSSS .. IS-REAL-HELL HAS LERN WELL FROM THEIR TEACHER - HITLER AND THE NAZI!!!! THEY HAVE MASTER THE ART OF MURDER, SLAUGHTER AND THE SS NOW LOOK LIKE BOY SCOUTS.

This shit was updinged 43 times!

Lifes a @#$% and then you die.........What did them Jews say when an American woman was run over by a jewish bulldozer or the American woman who was shot in the face by a gutless jew with a gas canister......"They should have stayed out of Isreal"

Updinged 48 times.

254 bj  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:41:56pm

Not to worry, the Israelis found the knife. (If we can't laugh, we'd be crying all the time so pardon dark Jewish/Israeli humor.)

Youtube Video
255 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:42:37pm

re: #253 Alouette

American paralyzed in Hamas bus bombing in 2003 dies of his injuries.

Look at the comments on this Associated Press page

Updinged 48 times.

nice catch....really elevates my already foul mood

256 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:43:15pm

re: #251 MandyManners

Don't avoid those threads! Just push back from the desk and take a walk around the building/house/yard. Go get a soda. Breathe.

(((b_sharp)))

That's pretty much what I did Mandy. I went to get the kid, and after getting pissed at her for nothing, recognized my mental state.

Walks are good.

257 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:43:18pm

re: #253 Alouette

American paralyzed in Hamas bus bombing in 2003 dies of his injuries.

Look at the comments on this Associated Press page


Updinged 48 times.

Those same assholes would up-ding Leon Klinghoffer's death if it happened nowadays.

258 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:43:26pm

re: #247 b_sharp

I apologize to everyone I insulted in the last thread. Sometimes frustration at a certain style of thinking, one that I simply cannot understand, coupled with the ever present sharp edge of clinical depressive anger get way too close together and I forget to treat humans as humans.

I will attempt to stay away from threads that anger me, and remember to treat others with respect in all other threads.

Understood b_sharp. ;)

259 bj  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:43:30pm

re: #253 Alouette

American paralyzed in Hamas bus bombing in 2003 dies of his injuries.

Look at the comments on this Associated Press page

Updinged 48 times.

That's ap for you - never has been Israel's "friend" much less unbiased.

260 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:44:45pm

re: #254 bj
The best thing Israel's foreign office could do here is to apologize for spreading the link, because it's being reported as negative for Israel, but you know people will be rushing over to YouTube to watch the "forbidden" video and either laugh at it or wallow in cognitive dissonance.

261 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:44:49pm

re: #256 b_sharp

That's pretty much what I did Mandy. I went to get the kid, and after getting pissed at her for nothing, recognized my mental state.

Walks are good.

The best thing that's helped me with my outlook is The Kid. He drives me bat-shit crazy but, I remind myself to thank God for a healthy child who is capable of pushing my buttons.

262 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:45:29pm

re: #261 MandyManners

The best thing that's helped me with my outlook is The Kid. He drives me bat-shit crazy but, I remind myself to thank God for a healthy child who is capable of pushing my buttons.

he's gonna dig the Stones...bet me

263 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:45:40pm

re: #259 bj

It's just the commenters though - those are probably not AP members.

264 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:46:05pm

re: #261 MandyManners

The best thing that's helped me with my outlook is The Kid. He drives me bat-shit crazy but, I remind myself to thank God for a healthy child who is capable of pushing my buttons.

The grandkid and an ice cream does that for me.

265 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:46:57pm

re: #263 MagnaniomousCoward

It's just the commenters though - those are probably not AP members.

Look at the comments that get updinged, and then look at the comments that are hidden due to downdings.

It just shows you the kind of crowd that hangs out there.

266 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:46:58pm

re: #253 Alouette

American paralyzed in Hamas bus bombing in 2003 dies of his injuries.

Look at the comments on this Associated Press page

Updinged 48 times.

OK, listen up everybody! If you have a Yahoo account sign in and down ding the Israel haters here...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

267 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:47:23pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

And she's pretty much thrown away her entire career. This will probably be what she's remembered for.

She can commiserate with Dan Rather. Both are veteran reporters who lost their reputations by giving into their bias and thereby doing things that no reporter should do.

268 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:48:10pm

the Kid comes home from school singing....

Now I bet your mama was a tent show queen
And all her boyfriends were sweet sixteen
I'm no schoolboy but I know what I like
You shoulda heard me just around midnight

269 moonflower  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:48:45pm

I spent a bit of time in Israel in 1991 at a dig in Ashkelon that was sponsored by Harvard University. It was some of the best 6 weeks of my life. We went everywhere in Israel besides the dig site that we were on.

What I saw was that Israel had turned a desert into their oasis - it felt very much like Southern California in many ways - the infrastructure was well developed and comfortable and we had no trouble getting around and getting what we wanted and the culture seemed very free. Everything very modern and not in the least third world.

I think the folks who live in Gaza are a bit envious of the Israeli inventiveness and discipline and work ethic. Ten miles away from Gaza there is a thriving economy and freedom and (relative) wealth. At it is not because of the land they are on. It is because of the people that work the land.

Hard to swallow, but the truth none the less.

270 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:50:04pm

re: #269 moonflower

I spent a bit of time in Israel in 1991 at a dig in Ashkelon that was sponsored by Harvard University. It was some of the best 6 weeks of my life. We went everywhere in Israel besides the dig site that we were on.

What I saw was that Israel had turned a desert into their oasis - it felt very much like Southern California in many ways - the infrastructure was well developed and comfortable and we had no trouble getting around and getting what we wanted and the culture seemed very free. Everything very modern and not in the least third world.

I think the folks who live in Gaza are a bit envious of the Israeli inventiveness and discipline and work ethic. Ten miles away from Gaza there is a thriving economy and freedom and (relative) wealth. At it is not because of the land they are on. It is because of the people that work the land.

Hard to swallow, but the truth none the less.

People need to realize that rewards only come after putting in the hard work.

271 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:50:48pm

re: #269 moonflower

Good points, but when you say that to people remember that Israel gets criticized for taking water from the Palestinians.

272 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:51:34pm

re: #269 moonflower

I spent a bit of time in Israel in 1991 at a dig in Ashkelon that was sponsored by Harvard University. It was some of the best 6 weeks of my life. We went everywhere in Israel besides the dig site that we were on.

What I saw was that Israel had turned a desert into their oasis - it felt very much like Southern California in many ways - the infrastructure was well developed and comfortable and we had no trouble getting around and getting what we wanted and the culture seemed very free. Everything very modern and not in the least third world.

I think the folks who live in Gaza are a bit envious of the Israeli inventiveness and discipline and work ethic. Ten miles away from Gaza there is a thriving economy and freedom and (relative) wealth. At it is not because of the land they are on. It is because of the people that work the land.

Hard to swallow, but the truth none the less.

nice...and so true

273 moonflower  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:53:46pm

re: #271 MagnaniomousCoward

Good points, but when you say that to people remember that Israel gets criticized for taking water from the Palestinians.

Really. The Israelis have a big time desalinisation plant in Ashkelon or Ashdod (not sure which, sorry). They process SEA WATER to pure water. So they are taking Sea Water from the palestinians??? Ok.

274 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:54:11pm

re: #266 Gus 802

OK, listen up everybody! If you have a Yahoo account sign in and down ding the Israel haters here...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

My God...
It's full of stupid...

275 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:54:12pm

I've been checking the referrers page all day waiting to see if this story takes off. Nothing huge yet but it's picking up steam. We might have a winner here. I hope to find LGF slightly sluggish in the morning from being overloaded with traffic.

276 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:55:55pm

re: #269 moonflower

I spent a bit of time in Israel in 1991 at a dig in Ashkelon that was sponsored by Harvard University. It was some of the best 6 weeks of my life. We went everywhere in Israel besides the dig site that we were on.

What I saw was that Israel had turned a desert into their oasis - it felt very much like Southern California in many ways - the infrastructure was well developed and comfortable and we had no trouble getting around and getting what we wanted and the culture seemed very free. Everything very modern and not in the least third world.

I think the folks who live in Gaza are a bit envious of the Israeli inventiveness and discipline and work ethic. Ten miles away from Gaza there is a thriving economy and freedom and (relative) wealth. At it is not because of the land they are on. It is because of the people that work the land.

Hard to swallow, but the truth none the less.

They own some prime beachfront property. They've got a read-made clientele for anything they do manufacture. (It's cool! It's made by the oppressed Palestinians!) They're too busy hating and arguing to get on with the business of life.

277 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:56:23pm

re: #274 JasonA

My God...
It's full of stupid...

It's ALWAYS full of stupid. This is nothing new. It's vile, just like many other open comment places, i.e. my local newspaper.

278 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:56:24pm

re: #273 moonflower

Really. The Israelis have a big time desalinisation plant in Ashkelon or Ashdod (not sure which, sorry). They process SEA WATER to pure water. So they are taking Sea Water from the palestinians??? Ok.

who'd a thought Israel would be far out in front of CA in terms of desalination....shame, shame on CA

279 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:57:21pm

re: #262 albusteve

he's gonna dig the Stones...bet me

Especially if the rights to their music is ever sold to the NBA, NFL or NASCAR.

280 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:57:40pm

re: #273 moonflower

Really. The Israelis have a big time desalinisation plant in Ashkelon or Ashdod (not sure which, sorry). They process SEA WATER to pure water. So they are taking Sea Water from the palestinians??? Ok.


Get with the program. Anything the Israelis have must have been stolen from the Palestinians.

281 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:57:43pm

re: #264 b_sharp

The grandkid and an ice cream does that for me.

Hey, whatever it takes!

282 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:57:52pm

re: #277 Stanley Sea

It's ALWAYS full of stupid. This is nothing new. It's vile, just like many other open comment places, i.e. my local newspaper.

Yeah, I usually try to steer clear of comment sections like that.

283 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:58:12pm

re: #274 JasonA

2001! 1 up.

284 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:58:17pm

re: #265 Alouette

Look at the comments that get updinged, and then look at the comments that are hidden due to downdings.

It just shows you the kind of crowd that hangs out there.

Down-dinged comments are HIDDEN? Many, that's mob mentality.

285 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:58:41pm

re: #276 EmmmieG

They own some prime beachfront property. They've got a read-made clientele for anything they do manufacture. (It's cool! It's made by the oppressed Palestinians!) They're too busy hating and arguing to get on with the business of life.

Good point, but as long as we and the rest of the world throw money at them that is not gonna happen.

286 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:58:59pm

re: #280 EmmmieG


(So, of course, somewhere there's a Palestinian kid walking around saying "Where's my really high SAT score? Who took it?")

287 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:59:03pm

re: #283 Rightwingconspirator

2001! 1 up.

Favorite movie, actually.

288 moonflower  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:59:16pm

re: #280 EmmmieG

Ha!! Yes, I guess that is the UN line . . .

289 bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:59:17pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

I've been checking the referrers page all day waiting to see if this story takes off. Nothing huge yet but it's picking up steam. We might have a winner here. I hope to find LGF slightly sluggish in the morning from being overloaded with traffic.

Yeah. I noticed Commentary mag is sending some traffic. There should be a spike tomorrow as more pick up on it. This is a big story IMO.

290 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:59:20pm

re: #278 albusteve

We built a desalinization plant in Santa Barbara. No need for it yet.

291 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 5:59:33pm

re: #268 albusteve

the Kid comes home from school singing...

Now I bet your mama was a tent show queen
And all her boyfriends were sweet sixteen
I'm no schoolboy but I know what I like
You shoulda heard me just around midnight

*shudder*

292 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:00:37pm

re: #269 moonflower

I spent a bit of time in Israel in 1991 at a dig in Ashkelon that was sponsored by Harvard University. It was some of the best 6 weeks of my life. We went everywhere in Israel besides the dig site that we were on.

What I saw was that Israel had turned a desert into their oasis - it felt very much like Southern California in many ways - the infrastructure was well developed and comfortable and we had no trouble getting around and getting what we wanted and the culture seemed very free. Everything very modern and not in the least third world.

I think the folks who live in Gaza are a bit envious of the Israeli inventiveness and discipline and work ethic. Ten miles away from Gaza there is a thriving economy and freedom and (relative) wealth. At it is not because of the land they are on. It is because of the people that work the land.

Hard to swallow, but the truth none the less.

The kicker is that the Gazans destroyed what the Israelis left for them!

293 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:00:45pm

re: #286 EmmmieG

(So, of course, somewhere there's a Palestinian kid walking around saying "Where's my really high SAT score? Who took it?")

So where did the Israelis get the morals and ethics from?

294 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:01:17pm

Curiouser and curiouser, Reuters released the first cropped image about 11 hours ago, then five hours ago they released the un-cropped version of the same image with the same highly biased caption:

Pro-Palestinian activists hold down an Israeli commando on the Gaza-bound Turkish ship Mavi Marmara in the international waters of Mediterranean sea early May 31, 2010. Israeli marines stormed the Turkish aid ship bound for Gaza on Monday and nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed, triggering a diplomatic crisis and an emergency session of the U.N. Security Council. Picture taken May 31, 2010.

Yeah, the thing is, beating, taking and holding people at knife point is called, say it with me now, abduction. Also, "stormed," really? Stormed with paintballs and bad intel maybe. They attempted a boarding, a routine maritime event, and got pipe mugged by a goon squad.

Also, I notice that there's a lot of variation in the ratio of Reuters images, but only a relative few modern digital chip and output formats. A lot of cropping going on, which is fine when it doesn't skew the information being presented and hide the truth.

295 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:01:28pm

re: #285 brookly red

Good point, but as long as we and the rest of the world throw money at them that is not gonna happen.

Disney or Wynn, or Trump would have had a multi billion dollar gig there by now...the Palis/Hamas are a bunch of self obsessed fools, as long as the big dogs don't suffer

296 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:02:00pm

Just noticed some of the dufus comments at True Slant.

297 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:02:02pm

re: #278 albusteve

who'd a thought Israel would be far out in front of CA in terms of desalination...shame, shame on CA

It has been said many times that necessity is the mother of invention. Israel isn't in the position of being surrounded by freely available water but they are in the position of being surrounded by both a hostile environment and hostile neighbours. Their survival depends on their ingenuity.

298 moonflower  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:02:55pm

re: #292 MandyManners

Yes, that is something I could never understand. The Israelis left greenhouses and life and a future and the Gazans destroyed it as soon as they could.

Can't think of a reason why that is a good thing.

299 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:03:18pm

re: #295 albusteve

Disney or Wynn, or Trump would have had a multi billion dollar gig there by now...the Palis/Hamas are a bunch of self obsessed fools, as long as the big dogs don't suffer

Disney? don't give them any ideas... Jihadland is a real possibility.

300 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:03:59pm

re: #293 JasonA

So where did the Israelis get the morals and ethics from?

A religion in which the preservation of life is paramount?

301 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:04:02pm

re: #299 brookly red

Disney? don't give them any ideas... Jihadland is a real possibility.

Pirates of the Mediterranean?

/

302 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:04:53pm

re: #301 JasonA

Pirates of the Mediterranean?

/

How do you make a Disney movie where all the women are covered in black?

303 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:05:15pm

re: #298 moonflower

Yes, that is something I could never understand. The Israelis left greenhouses and life and a future and the Gazans destroyed it as soon as they could.

Can't think of a reason why that is a good thing.

Is sewage still running in the streets?

304 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:05:54pm

re: #297 b_sharp

It has been said many times that necessity is the mother of invention. Israel isn't in the position of being surrounded by freely available water but they are in the position of being surrounded by both a hostile environment and hostile neighbours. Their survival depends on their ingenuity.

I knew that, but that's not the issue...now it's been said S CA doesn't need desal....I beg to differ, and if the shit hits the fan, like a couple of droughts in a row, S CA will be begging for that water...in fact it would be wise for CA to desal for nearly the entire state

305 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:06:25pm

re: #300 MandyManners

A religion in which the preservation of life is paramount?

*sigh* It was a joke. Emmie originally joked that everything the Israelis had they took from the Palestinians.

306 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:08:00pm

re: #266 Gus 802

OK, listen up everybody! If you have a Yahoo account sign in and down ding the Israel haters here...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Did it. Took a bit to sign in. MTV also started their movie awards on a funny note, with Tom Cruise reprising his "Les Grossman" movie exec character from Tropic Thunder.

307 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:09:27pm

So much for my attempts to make an LGF page.

The feds have arrested two more terrorist-wannabes in New Jersey.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

308 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:09:36pm

re: #294 goddamnedfrank

Curiouser and curiouser, Reuters released the first cropped image about 11 hours ago, then five hours ago they released the un-cropped version of the same image with the same highly biased caption:

Yeah, the thing is, beating, taking and holding people at knife point is called, say it with me now, abduction. Also, "stormed," really? Stormed with paintballs and bad intel maybe. They attempted a boarding, a routine maritime event, and got pipe mugged by a goon squad.

Also, I notice that there's a lot of variation in the ratio of Reuters images, but only a relative few modern digital chip and output formats. A lot of cropping going on, which is fine when it doesn't skew the information being presented and hide the truth.

The media also say "Jewish settlers stormed the Temple Mount" when they try to, you know, move their lips to pray.

309 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:10:16pm

re: #278 albusteve

who'd a thought Israel would be far out in front of CA in terms of desalination...shame, shame on CA

To be fair, Israel has to in order to sustain it's population. CA gets water from the rest of the US.

310 jerk  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:11:51pm

Not only was the first picture cropped, but it definitely looks desaturated. Those life vests are usually that heavy orange color because they have to be seen by rescuers. They were trying to make the top of the rail less obvious.

311 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:12:52pm

re: #309 Joo-LiZ

To be fair, Israel has to in order to sustain it's population. CA gets water from the rest of the US.

not in 77-78....it hardly snowed in the Rockies for two years...Marin County CA
dried up, it was very nearly a disaster...people in CA freaked out...shut down the flow of the CO river and see what happens....seen Lake Meade lately?

312 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:13:53pm

re: #304 albusteve

I knew that, but that's not the issue...now it's been said S CA doesn't need desal...I beg to differ, and if the shit hits the fan, like a couple of droughts in a row, S CA will be begging for that water...in fact it would be wise for CA to desal for nearly the entire state

That is kinda what I was implying. CA is going to need the pressure of an emergency or two before they pony up for the technology. Hell, they'll need the pressure before they admit they need the technology. That is certainly how it works here.

In politics and a teenager's life, 4 years is forever. Or if not forever, it is as long as they need to look ahead. So they think.

And yes, I am implying an emotional similarity between (male) teenagers and (some) politicians.

313 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:13:55pm

re: #302 EmmmieG

How do you make a Disney movie where all the women are covered in black?

Simple: you use it to teach little girls that just because those other people are part of a totalitarian death cult and want to kill you, doesn't mean you should judge them.

/dripping

314 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:14:24pm

re: #299 brookly red

Disney? don't give them any ideas... Jihadland is a real possibility.

Farfour lives again!

315 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:14:29pm

water is the next oil....important by a magnitude of at least 100...soon come

316 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:14:44pm

re: #312 b_sharp

That is kinda what I was implying. CA is going to need the pressure of an emergency or two before they pony up for the technology. Hell, they'll need the pressure before they admit they need the technology. That is certainly how it works here.

In politics and a teenager's life, 4 years is forever. Or if not forever, it is as long as they need to look ahead. So they think.

And yes, I am implying an emotional similarity between (male) teenagers and (some) politicians.

We are working on a plant here where I live in SD.

317 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:15:18pm

re: #315 albusteve

water is the next oil...important by a magnitude of at least 100...soon come

I'm rich!
/goddammit, I wish it would stop fucking raining

318 What, me worry?  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:15:22pm

re: #307 EmmmieG

So much for my attempts to make an LGF page.

The feds have arrested two more terrorist-wannabes in New Jersey.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Oh you missed this morning's class! We were chatting about it. I posted these comments. I don't know if you'll find it helpful.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

319 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:16:05pm

re: #318 marjoriemoon

Oh you missed this morning's class! We were chatting about it. I posted these comments. I don't know if you'll find it helpful.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Yep. I missed it. I was cleaning out the garage. I am still happy.

320 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:16:11pm

re: #310 jerk

Not only was the first picture cropped, but it definitely looks desaturated. Those life vests are usually that heavy orange color because they have to be seen by rescuers. They were trying to make the top of the rail less obvious.

Good eye.

321 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:16:22pm

re: #314 MandyManners

Farfour lives again!

my first thought...

322 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:16:31pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

I'm rich!
/goddammit, I wish it would stop fucking raining

well there you go...I'm happy for you?...it has not rained at Ft Willow in 7 months...enjoy!

323 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:17:31pm

re: #310 jerk

As the maker of the gifs, I'd like you to take not that not all the desaturation was done by Reuters, and the original image is almost over-saturated and too dark anyway, as Charles showed by changing those parameters a bit to make the arm stand out better.

324 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:17:43pm

re: #316 Stanley Sea

We are working on a plant here where I live in SD.

We have both fresh and salt water here in SK. I can't see us needing to desalinate water ever. By the time our fresh water dries up, the salt water will be long gone.

325 Jerk  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:18:08pm

re: #320 MandyManners

Good eye.

Thanks, I have edited a lot of wedding photographs!

327 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:18:54pm

re: #323 MagnaniomousCoward

.... it has to do with color calibration for different screens and media - the GIFs look a bit bleak compared to the JPG.

328 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:18:55pm

re: #324 b_sharp

SK..I'm so blank?

329 What, me worry?  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:19:07pm

re: #319 EmmmieG

Yep. I missed it. I was cleaning out the garage. I am still happy.

Pffft... you really must get your priorities straight!

330 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:20:13pm

re: #321 brookly red

my first thought...

Remember the Mickey Mouse song?

F-A-R

F-O-U

R-M-O-U-S-E.

Lyrics?

331 Jerk  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:20:47pm

re: #323 MagnaniomousCoward

My mistake, but I honestly still think it still looks desaturated. The colors look too flat. :/

332 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:20:59pm

re: #325 Jerk

Thanks, I have edited a lot of wedding photographs!

Encountered many bridezillas?

333 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:21:28pm

Evening lizards! WWII in HD is on the History International channel if you are interested. It's a fabulous series with all color footage of WWII.

334 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:22:04pm

re: #333 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards! WWII in HD is on the History International channel if you are interested. It's a fabulous series with all color footage of WWII.

Wish I got the History Channel! *hmph

335 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:22:20pm

re: #331 Jerk

Well maybe, but I think the Reuters version of the photo has more natural colors than the original has.

336 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:22:56pm

I see Charles found another Reuters fautograph. Is anyone surprised?

337 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:23:07pm

re: #326 Alouette

Moonbat Uri Avnery: Israel is trying to get the people of Gaza to overthrow Hamas!

That's the point, asshole!

The Haaretz interview just made me LOL. Uri Avnery (who is just like Neturei Karta, except without the curly locks and the frisbee hat) is totally pissed off because he is so irrelevant that even Haaretz thinks he's nuts.

338 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:24:42pm

re: #337 Alouette

The Haaretz interview just made me LOL. Uri Avnery (who is just like Neturei Karta, except without the curly locks and the frisbee hat) is totally pissed off because he is so irrelevant that even Haaretz thinks he's nuts.

If even the far-left newspapers think you're a loon, you might want to rethink your positions.

339 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:25:26pm

re: #326 Alouette

Moonbat Uri Avnery: Israel is trying to get the people of Gaza to overthrow Hamas!

That's the point, asshole!

Sounds like a bit of semantic gamesmanship between him and Netanyahu. The proximate reason is to limit rocket attacks and the ultimate purpose is to convince the population to boot Hamas, which will also limit rocket attacks.

This article is actually the type of thinking that gets me most annoyed. A false dichotomy is put forward as the truth.

340 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:25:33pm

re: #333 NJDhockeyfan

Perfect. And on the 66th anniversary of the Normandy Invasion. Operation Overlord.

341 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:25:57pm

re: #335 MagnaniomousCoward

.... but this depends on your monitor and its calibration. Photographers and visual artists often spend some time calibrating their computer monitors so that they'll match the color profile of real life and print, but people's monitors have many different gamma settings, so what looks natural on my monitor may look to light or too dark on yours.

342 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:26:16pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

If even the far-left newspapers think you're a loon, you might want to rethink your positions.

Nah. It's easier to dig deeper.

343 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:26:21pm

re: #247 b_sharp

I apologize to everyone I insulted in the last thread. Sometimes frustration at a certain style of thinking, one that I simply cannot understand, coupled with the ever present sharp edge of clinical depressive anger get way too close together and I forget to treat humans as humans.

I will attempt to stay away from threads that anger me, and remember to treat others with respect in all other threads.

I apologize for rising to the bait.

Hope you feel better.

344 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:26:23pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

If even the far-left newspapers think you're a loon, you might want to rethink your positions.

I like Haaretz. I'm a lefty here, so why not read the lefty there? Really, I've read a lot lately. I do go to JPost to counter balance, but honestly I'm more the Haaretz American, heh.

345 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:26:39pm

re: #328 Stanley Sea

SK..I'm so blank?

Look straight north over the Canuck border. What do you see? (SK and MB).

346 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:27:19pm

re: #330 MandyManners

Remember the Mickey Mouse song?

F-A-R

F-O-U

R-M-O-U-S-E.

Lyrics?

from the original: We'll do things and
We'll go places
All around the world
We'll go marching

if it ain't broke don't fix it...

347 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:28:05pm

re: #340 PhillyPretzel

Perfect. And on the 66th anniversary of the Normandy Invasion. Operation Overlord.

the fall of the mighty German Wehrmacht on the western front....got their asses handed to them by a bunch of insurance salesmen and teachers...
OOH RAH!

348 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:29:10pm

re: #346 brookly red

M-I-C
See you real soon!

K-E-Y
Why? Because we like you!

M-O-U-S-E!

349 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:29:20pm

re: #340 PhillyPretzel

Perfect. And on the 66th anniversary of the Normandy Invasion. Operation Overlord.

The first episode is on right now. They just showed the Germans hanging & shooting Serbs.

350 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:29:29pm

re: #343 Cato the Elder

I apologize for rising to the bait.

Hope you feel better.

Cato, you give as good as you get. That is valuable in a sparring partner.

I'm sorry I went after you so tooth and nail.

351 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:29:44pm

re: #347 albusteve

And some pretty good intelligence work by the allies too, to the point that Hitler thought the Normandy landings were only a feint before the real landings further north.

352 bj  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:29:53pm

re: #260 MagnaniomousCoward

The best thing Israel's foreign office could do here is to apologize for spreading the link, because it's being reported as negative for Israel, but you know people will be rushing over to YouTube to watch the "forbidden" video and either laugh at it or wallow in cognitive dissonance.

That's just too freaking bad. Israel is used to "negative reporting" by msm. The best thing Israel can do is laugh at terrorists and spit in their faces and in the faces of the biased, uninformed media and personnel. "We Con the World" is reported as the #1 song in Israel right now - and this happened within 72 hours. It is all over the place and we are pushing it. Laughter heals, don 'cha know.

353 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:30:00pm

re: #349 NJDhockeyfan

I do not have cable.

354 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:31:40pm

Just came back from the Support Israel Rally at the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire blvd, Los Angeles. I assume about 4000 ppl showed up.
It was heart warming to see support of so many non Jewish and other organization leaders.
If anyone's interested I can post some pix.

355 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:31:42pm

re: #353 PhillyPretzel

I do not have cable.

You can probably find it at the store. It's a great series to buy.

356 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:32:05pm

re: #352 bj

That's just too freaking bad. Israel is used to "negative reporting" by msm. The best thing Israel can do is laugh at terrorists and spit in their faces and in the faces of the biased, uninformed media and personnel. "We Con the World" is reported as the #1 song in Israel right now - and this happened within 72 hours. It is all over the place and we are pushing it. Laughter heals, don 'cha know.

What I meant by that is that by apologizing, which they have done, they help spread the video more because they give the impression that it's negative for Israel, but might not be. A "please don't throw me into the briar patch" type situation maybe.

357 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:33:44pm

re: #114 MagnaniomousCoward

When I said right, I meant left... PIMF.

358 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:33:56pm

re: #354 american_peanuts

Just came back from the Support Israel Rally at the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire blvd, Los Angeles. I assume about 4000 ppl showed up.
It was heart warming to see support of so many non Jewish and other organization leaders.
If anyone's interested I can post some pix.

Yes, please. It's good to see people standing up to the Islamists and LSM BS.

359 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:34:04pm

re: #354 american_peanuts

Sure post some in a page. I'm sorry I missed it. I'm on my way out to chase the sunset anyway myself.

360 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:34:11pm

re: #354 american_peanuts

gotit. give me 5 ....

361 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:35:31pm

re: #351 MagnaniomousCoward

And some pretty good intelligence work by the allies too, to the point that Hitler thought the Normandy landings were only a feint before the real landings further north.

there some fights after that, the Ardennes, the Bulge where American troops held their ground until they were shot out, then went to bayonets and died where they stood...truck drivers, shoe salesmen, architects...they fought to the last man plenty of times and Hitler didn't scare them at all...fuck the Nazi's

362 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:35:46pm

re: #355 NJDhockeyfan
I will hold onto my money. I learned my WWII history from my dad. He was a clerk in SHAEF HQ.

363 firstinla  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:35:55pm

re: #360 american_peanuts

gotit. give me 5 ...

^5

364 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:37:03pm

Sixty years ago yesterday:

"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight.

"When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.

"You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days.

"But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they ARE He Men. Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen."

"All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call "chicken shit drilling". That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a fuck for a man who's not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready for what's to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you're not alert, sometime, a German son-of-an-asshole-bitch is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sockful of shit!

"There are four hundred neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily all because one man went to sleep on the job. But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did.

"An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horse shit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about fucking!

"We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-bitches we're going up against. By God, I do.

365 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:38:44pm

re: #354 american_peanuts

Just came back from the Support Israel Rally at the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire blvd, Los Angeles. I assume about 4000 ppl showed up.
It was heart warming to see support of so many non Jewish and other organization leaders.
If anyone's interested I can post some pix.

Please do! I heard Jon Voight was there. Did you get to hear him speak?

366 firstinla  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:41:17pm

re: #364 MandyManners

Mandy, who said that? awesome!

367 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:41:20pm

re: #339 b_sharp

Sounds like a bit of semantic gamesmanship between him and Netanyahu. The proximate reason is to limit rocket attacks and the ultimate purpose is to convince the population to boot Hamas, which will also limit rocket attacks.

This article is actually the type of thinking that gets me most annoyed. A false dichotomy is put forward as the truth.

Not necessarily. Right now Hamas has overall military control of Gaza, but before that the Fatah was in control and a great many rockets and mortars were launched by Fatah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Fatah has been at it longer than Hamas, not that Hamas isn't doing their murderous best to get caught up.

368 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:42:02pm

re: #366 firstinla

Mandy, who said that? awesome!

from the movie, Patton

369 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:42:41pm

re: #368 albusteve
Yes, that sounds like him.

370 firstinla  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:43:05pm

re: #368 albusteve

Never saw it but will do so now...thanks

371 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:43:20pm

re: #369 PhillyPretzel

Yes, that sounds like him.

DF would know if the speech was real...maybe it was

372 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:43:49pm

"My men don't surrender. I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That's not just bull shit either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!"

"All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain. What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn't like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly bastard could say, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands'.

But, what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like? No, Goddamnit, Americans don't think like that. Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. The Quartermaster is needed to bring up food and clothes because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man on K.P. has a job to do, even the one who heats our water to keep us from getting the 'G.I. Shits'.

"Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men. One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir'. I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed'. I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!'

Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the road to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable.

"Don't forget, you men don't know that I'm here. No mention of that fact is to be made in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell happened to me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this Army. I'm not even supposed to be here in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the Goddamned Germans. Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, 'Jesus Christ, it's the Goddamned Third Army again and that son-of-a-fucking-bitch Patton'."

373 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:44:50pm

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan

I uploading everything to flicker, will take about 10 minutes.
Arni was there, talking to Noam Shalit, Gilads' dad, started the converaation with hello this is ARNOLD SCHVARTZENEGER with the deepest accent he could give ... funny guy, but should 100% support and backed Israel. Kudos.

John Voight was there, spoke for a minute, stated his total support and was the only one to attack the admisnistration for not showing full support. What an amazing (half) Jew.

There were so many other groups from all over La. Philippines group representative, christian groups - evangalists and others, mexican groups, a guy from Long Beach, few politician who gave very nice speeches, and the cream of the crop - a representative of Peach Now (...) who was booed out (by me too) but insisted to continue yacking.

I'll post the link to the album real soon.

374 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:45:19pm

re: #370 firstinla

Never saw it but will do so now...thanks

imo the best WW11 film ever made, by far, was Band of Brothers...the real deal

375 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:45:57pm

re: #373 american_peanuts

I uploading everything to flicker, will take about 10 minutes.
Arni was there, talking to Noam Shalit, Gilads' dad, started the converaation with hello this is ARNOLD SCHVARTZENEGER with the deepest accent he could give ... funny guy, but should 100% support and backed Israel. Kudos.

John Voight was there, spoke for a minute, stated his total support and was the only one to attack the admisnistration for not showing full support. What an amazing (half) Jew.

There were so many other groups from all over La. Philippines group representative, christian groups - evangalists and others, mexican groups, a guy from Long Beach, few politician who gave very nice speeches, and the cream of the crop - a representative of Peach Now (...) who was booed out (by me too) but insisted to continue yacking.

I'll post the link to the album real soon.

Yeah, peachy ... Peace Now I meant.

376 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:46:47pm

"We want to get the hell over there. The quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit.

"Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!

"When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have.

We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!

"I don't want to get any messages saying, "I am holding my position." We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!

"From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.

"There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, 'Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.' No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, 'Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!'"

377 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:47:06pm

I noticed some posters talking about WWII and it made me curious. I looked up Canada's experience in the war and found out we had 1.1million people serving in the war, of which 45,000 died. We had the fourth largest air force and third largest navy. Interesting tid bits.

378 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:47:13pm

Its not just their cropped pictures that mislead. How about the text of the story from Reuters. Sounds like it was written by the Hamas press secretary.Photos from Turkish aid ship show blood and chaos

Just one example of the ridiculously slanted writing.

There are no pictures of outright violence but many of the photographs show pools of blood on the floor or streaks smeared across walls.

No outright violence.. Just pools of blood.

379 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:47:42pm

re: #366 firstinla

Mandy, who said that? awesome!

Gen. George Patton.

380 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:47:50pm

Evening Honcos.

381 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:48:12pm

re: #368 albusteve

from the movie, Patton

No, this is the speech he actually gave, not the script.

382 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:48:23pm

re: #344 Stanley Sea

I like Haaretz. I'm a lefty here, so why not read the lefty there? Really, I've read a lot lately. I do go to JPost to counter balance, but honestly I'm more the Haaretz American, heh.

I read Haaretz for their news stories, but their op-eds are Teh Suck.

YNet is more of a tabloid, and they are totally batshit when it comes to anything to do with Judaism or religious Jews.

JPost is good straight reporting, although they have some legacy moonbats who really belong with their comrades at Haaretz.

Arutz 7 is the Israeli version of Fox News.

383 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:48:48pm

re: #377 b_sharp

I noticed some posters talking about WWII and it made me curious. I looked up Canada's experience in the war and found out we had 1.1million people serving in the war, of which 45,000 died. We had the fourth largest air force and third largest navy. Interesting tid bits.

all of the Commonwealth fought their asses off sooner or later, not the least the Canadians...no nonsense tough guys

384 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:49:21pm

re: #381 MandyManners

No, this is the speech he actually gave, not the script.

thanks for that....he was a brute

385 MagnaniomousCoward  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:49:38pm

re: #377 b_sharp

Yeah it was a true world war - the Allies had soldiers from every continent except Antarctica fighting for us.

386 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:49:50pm

re: #374 albusteve

imo the best WW11 film ever made, by far, was Band of Brothers...the real deal

If you want to read about the war from the real heros, I suggest perusing this link...

World War II First Person Accounts, Letters Home, Diaries, & Journals

387 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:49:51pm

My wrists hurt. bbiab

388 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:50:09pm

Having mixed feelings about this:
New generation of Saudi novelists breaks taboos

Excerpt:

Typical is Hind, a young woman in her novel "Hind and the Soldiers".

"Men sit down at the table of life and eat the whole cake, with no worries, while women, hungrily, watch them with envy," Hind remarks.

Taking a few moments now to honor the planners and participants of Operation Overlord.

Back to the article.

"Art is contributing to -- if not leading -- the reform process that we are going through now in Saudi Arabia," said Khal, 48.

But he lamented that Saudi writers have to promote their work abroad.

389 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:50:28pm

re: #381 MandyManners

No, this is the speech he actually gave, not the script.

Great stuff. Thanks for the posting, Mandy.

390 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:50:43pm

re: #386 NJDhockeyfan

If you want to read about the war from the real heros, I suggest perusing this link...

World War II First Person Accounts, Letters Home, Diaries, & Journals

heh, my dad was a real hero, but I booked it, thanks

391 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:50:52pm

re: #384 albusteve

thanks for that...he was a brute

Could you imagine a modern general saying such things about the enemy the eve of battle? He'd be lynched by the PC MFM.

392 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:51:16pm

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

Great stuff. Thanks for the posting, Mandy.

You're welcome.

Now, really. bbiab

393 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:51:49pm

re: #382 Alouette

I read Haaretz for their news stories, but their op-eds are Teh Suck.

YNet is more of a tabloid, and they are totally batshit when it comes to anything to do with Judaism or religious Jews.

JPost is good straight reporting, although they have some legacy moonbats who really belong with their comrades at Haaretz.

Arutz 7 is the Israeli version of Fox News.

Thank you for more clarity.

394 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:52:00pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Could you imagine a modern general saying such things about the enemy the eve of battle? He'd be lynched by the PC MFM.

back then was his time...he knew that

395 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:52:09pm

re: #379 MandyManners

Gen. George Patton.

My favorite General. I would have loved to serve under his command.

396 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:53:48pm

re: #383 albusteve

all of the Commonwealth fought their asses off sooner or later, not the least the Canadians...no nonsense tough guys

And we did it without hockey sticks and curling rocks.

397 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:53:54pm

re: #386 NJDhockeyfan

If you want to read about the war from the real heros, I suggest perusing this link...

World War II First Person Accounts, Letters Home, Diaries, & Journals

Thank you for that.

I spent all night last night reading about the history of NYC. Like 5 hours. Awesome.

398 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:54:38pm

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

My favorite General. I would have loved to serve under his command.

his job was not that difficult...he would have better served north after D Day...but it's true he drove the Germans before him like sheep, they were scared to death of the guy

399 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:54:59pm

re: #385 MagnaniomousCoward

Yeah it was a true world war - the Allies had soldiers from every continent except Antarctica fighting for us.

Well, bloody hell, where the hell were the Antarcticans? Cold blooded cowards.

400 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:55:34pm

re: #387 MandyManners

My wrists hurt. bbiab

Later. Thanks Mandy.

401 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:55:44pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Could you imagine a modern general saying such things about the enemy the eve of battle? He'd be lynched by the PC MFM.

You got that right. If a general today slapped a soldier he'd be court marshaled & sent to prison. The damn lawyers are getting in the way of winning battles.

402 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:56:48pm

re: #399 b_sharp

Manitoba & Saskatchewan I assume?

Geography lame American here.

403 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:56:52pm

re: #396 b_sharp

And we did it without hockey sticks and curling rocks.

and your Aussie cousins deserve special mention for the horrific fighting on New Guinea and there abouts....none of that is lost from me

404 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:57:30pm

re: #402 Stanley Sea

Manitoba & Saskatchewan I assume?

Geography lame American here.

Bingo.

405 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:57:36pm

re: #397 Stanley Sea

Thank you for that.

I spent all night last night reading about the history of NYC. Like 5 hours. Awesome.

The WWII Propaganda, Cartoons, Art page is great. I love the old artwork.

406 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:58:06pm

Good night my fellow Lizards.

407 Jerk  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:59:06pm

re: #332 MandyManners

Encountered many bridezillas?


Luckily no, but I do have this one incident.

My friend got me a wedding gig as a lone photographer (it didn't pay much but it was fun). My first assignment that day was to take pictures of the bride getting ready. I arrived at the right address but after several phone calls, my friend could not remember the exact hotel room where the bridal party was staying. He dug up one that got me to a door, but no one answered. Pissed, I stopped for a moment to collect my thoughts. It was then that I heard some loud bantering, which was kind of odd given that everywhere else I'd been in the building had been quiet. I followed it, and it grew louder and more distinct. It sounded like some women were in an argument. I finally reached the end of the hallway and at the very last door I knocked. It flew open and there was the bride. "You're late!" she yelled.

In the end, it didn't really matter much -- they loved my photos :)

Phew, that took a lot out of me to write. I had a really long workday, so gnite!

408 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 6:59:42pm

Brown launches defense of Israel

WASHINGTON – Senator Scott Brown tonight launched into a strong defense of Israel, saying critics of the recent flotilla incident were downplaying the security threats against the country.

Brown, addressing a pro-Israel group in Boston, tied Israel and the United States together in fighting against terrorism. He also called for further sanctions on Iran, saying “there is no greater strategic threat facing the world than a nuclear-armed Iran.”

“I don’t need polling or political strategists to help define a nuanced stance on Israel,” Brown said, according to a copy of his prepared remarks. “We are engaged in a worldwide struggle against radical, violent jihad. It is the defining issue of our time. Our best friends and the strongest allies in this fight are in the State of Israel.”

“Let’s remember – Israel is our ally. Israel is a democracy,” Brown added. “Hamas is a terrorist group with clear and genuine intentions of destroying Israel’s way of life.”

409 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:00:04pm

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

The WWII Propaganda, Cartoons, Art page is great. I love the old artwork.

Another bookmark. Thanks, I will be reading very soon.

410 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:01:07pm

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

Brown launches defense of Israel

nice...I hope he sets a trend

411 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:01:39pm

re: #390 albusteve

heh, my dad was a real hero, but I booked it, thanks

I bet your dad was a hero. I would love to hear some of his stories.

412 Bear  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:01:48pm

You might check out Bill Mauldin' UP Front cartoons and Ernie Pyle's writings. Those perhaps show a bit different side of WW2.

413 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:02:24pm

the Celtics are set to steal one from LA...hanging tough

414 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:03:40pm

re: #411 NJDhockeyfan

I bet your dad was a hero. I would love to hear some of his stories.

2d Marine...Tarawa and Saipan were his fights

415 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:04:55pm

re: #414 albusteve

2d Marine...Tarawa and Saipan were his fights

one huge bloodbath followed by another much larger bloodbath

416 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:06:02pm

re: #415 albusteve

one huge bloodbath followed by another much larger bloodbath

God bless him. Does he talk about it much?
Most of them don't.

417 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:06:05pm

The most important lesson to be learned from WWII is that bad stuff does not all of a sudden pop up like magic, we can see it coming.

418 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:07:10pm

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

God bless him. Does he talk about it much?
Most of them don't.

They knew what was on the line, IMO.

419 What, me worry?  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:07:51pm

re: #417 brookly red

The most important lesson to be learned from WWII is that bad stuff does not all of a sudden pop up like magic, we can see it coming.

And what will we do about it?

420 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:07:53pm

re: #417 brookly red

The most important lesson to be learned from WWII is that bad stuff does not all of a sudden pop up like magic, we can see it coming.

Or maybe it's that we *should* be able to see it, but willfully blind ourselves until it's too late.

421 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:08:07pm

re: #413 albusteve

the Celtics are set to steal one from LA...hanging tough

No, not yet. Not even.

422 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:09:23pm

More BS from a Reuters article about the IHH. Q&A - Turkish Gaza aid group under the spotlight

IHH officials say they have nothing against Israel. Bulent Yildirim, IHH chairman, denies his charity has direct links to Hamas or ties to militants, describing the accusation as Israeli "propaganda". The group says it has a branch office in Gaza and a branch office in the West Bank.


It took 30 seconds to find a video of Bulent Yildirim making a screaming and ranting speech from the stage at a pro-Hamas rally in Gaza. But he's got no direct links to Hamas. Oh no, wouldn't dream of it. Thats why he's on their stage whipping up their masses into a frenzy.

Reuters can't even tell a decent lie.

423 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:09:24pm

Schumer Believes Gaza Flotilla May Be Connected to Al Qaeda

Chuck Schumer, who has gotten pretty protective of Israel as of late, is now calling on the State Department to investigate whether the Turkish group who funded the flotilla attempting to break Israel’s Gaza blockade is connected to Al Qaeda. The senator said he is sending a letter to Hilary Clinton requesting the department to look into reports the organization - Insani Yardim Vakfi - has ties to terror groups. “The American people and the world deserve the full story,” he told reporters. What about the U.N.'s international investigation, currently in preliminary stages, into the raid? "I have very little faith in the United Nations doing an investigation," Schumer dismissed.

I usually don't support Schumer but this time he's dead on balls correct. I love seeing him put the pressure on Hillary to do the right thing. This should get interesting.

424 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:10:02pm

re: #410 albusteve

nice...I hope he sets a trend

There's been quite a few coming out in support already.

425 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:10:31pm

re: #419 marjoriemoon

re: #420 Joo-LiZ

well the first step is to admit there is a problem...

426 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:11:12pm

Reuters visited LGF 7 times today. When was the last time they did that?

427 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:11:17pm

re: #378 Mich-again

Its not just their cropped pictures that mislead. How about the text of the story from Reuters. Sounds like it was written by the Hamas press secretary.Photos from Turkish aid ship show blood and chaos

Just one example of the ridiculously slanted writing.

No outright violence.. Just pools of blood.

Yeah, no outright violence. Just what then? Peace violence? I think the IDF infrared video said it all when it showed the boarding party coming under immediate attack from the IHH militants. I noticed they used the current meme of "maybe that was an IDF knife" as some kind of excuse.

428 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:11:27pm

re: #420 Joo-LiZ

Churchill said that WW2 should be called the unnecessary war.

429 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:11:30pm

re: #382 Alouette

Alouette - just had to say, that's an excellent assessment of the various reporting sources for Israeli news.

430 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:12:38pm

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

Reuters visited LGF 7 times today. When was the last time they did that?

I hope they do an 8th time so they can see me telling them to fuck off.

431 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:12:47pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Could you imagine a modern general saying such things about the enemy the eve of battle? He'd be lynched by the PC MFM.

Early on in Iraq a Marine officer, as I recall, expressed a lot of pleasure in shooting those "woman beating so and so's". Big stink. Wonder what happened to him, probably hurt his career.

432 What, me worry?  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:13:46pm

re: #422 Mich-again

More BS from a Reuters article about the IHH. Q&A - Turkish Gaza aid group under the spotlight


It took 30 seconds to find a video of Bulent Yildirim making a screaming and ranting speech from the stage at a pro-Hamas rally in Gaza. But he's got no direct links to Hamas. Oh no, wouldn't dream of it. Thats why he's on their stage whipping up their masses into a frenzy.

Reuters can't even tell a decent lie.

Could someone please...
move the white Mercedes....
with the fuzzy dice...
from in front of the building...
you are blocking the way...
Praise Allah.

433 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:13:51pm

re: #431 The Shadow Do

Early on in Iraq a Marine officer, as I recall, expressed a lot of pleasure in shooting those "woman beating so and so's". Big stink. Wonder what happened to him, probably hurt his career.

Well I hope so. Geeze.

434 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:14:41pm

re: #431 The Shadow Do

Early on in Iraq a Marine officer, as I recall, expressed a lot of pleasure in shooting those "woman beating so and so's". Big stink. Wonder what happened to him, probably hurt his career.

Maybe I misunderstand, but do you condone?

435 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:15:39pm

re: #434 Stanley Sea

Maybe I misunderstand, but do you condone?

Absolutely. It is a fucking war fool.

436 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:16:00pm

bbiam.

437 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:16:54pm

Tied at 72..Beginning of the 4th quarter..Go Celtics!

438 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:17:11pm

re: #398 albusteve

his job was not that difficult...he would have better served north after D Day...but it's true he drove the Germans before him like sheep, they were scared to death of the guy

Well, he did have the difficult mission of turning 3rd Army north to relieve Bastogne. That mission was so critical that the first M4A3E8 Shermans to arrive in Antwerp were rushed to 3rd Army. In another interesting piece of history, the new tanks were sent to the 4th Armored Division leading elements with one of them being assigned to then-Lieutenant Colonel Creighton Abrams. Abrams and his fellow tankers called their new machines "Cobra Kingss" and used them to pound German tanks and assault guns while pushing through to relieve the 101 Airborne Division.

439 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:18:06pm

re: #437 HoosierHoops

Tied at 72..Beginning of the 4th quarter..Go Celtics!

Game post

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

440 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:18:20pm

Top Republican to introduce resolution defending Israel against flotilla criticism

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said Sunday he is planning to introduce a resolution next week defending Israel against criticism it has received over its handling of the Gaza flotilla incident.

King, the ranking member on the House Homeland Security Committee, told the conservative blog contentions of his plan and criticized the Obama administration's stance on the matter. Jennifer Rubin writes:

I asked whether he was surprised that the Obama team went along with a UN resolution on the flotilla, even a watered-down one, rather than vetoing it, as past administrations have done in similar situations to hold back the tide of Israel bashing. He replied bluntly, “No.” He continued, “This is basically what we have seen from day one – [the administration] putting distance between itself and Israel.” He believes there is a conscious effort by Obama to deny Israel the “privileged status” it has enjoyed as a close, democratic ally of the United States. This is part and parcel, he explains, of the “apology tour, how Netanyahu was treated, and [asserting] the moral equivalency between housing construction in Jerusalem and Iran constructing a nuclear weapon.”

What does King intend to do when Congress returns tomorrow? He announces that he will send a “Dear Colleague” letter out on Monday, calling on all House members to join in a resolution that will be introduced in the next few days. The resolution will include “many paragraphs on Israel’s right to defend itself,” take issue with the critics of Israel, call for the U.S. to withdraw from the U.N. Human Rights Council, and demand that the administration oppose any U.N. investigation of Israel.

441 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:18:40pm

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

442 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:19:20pm

re: #422 Mich-again

More BS from a Reuters article about the IHH. Q&A - Turkish Gaza aid group under the spotlight


It took 30 seconds to find a video of Bulent Yildirim making a screaming and ranting speech from the stage at a pro-Hamas rally in Gaza. But he's got no direct links to Hamas. Oh no, wouldn't dream of it. Thats why he's on their stage whipping up their masses into a frenzy.

Reuters can't even tell a decent lie.

English translation(s) here: [Link: www.memri.org...]

443 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:19:31pm

re: #435 The Shadow Do

Absolutely. It is a fucking war fool.

like I said, you can see it coming.

444 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:21:21pm

re: #423 NJDhockeyfan

Schumer Believes Gaza Flotilla May Be Connected to Al Qaeda

I usually don't support Schumer but this time he's dead on balls correct. I love seeing him put the pressure on Hillary to do the right thing. This should get interesting.

With Brown, and now Schumer supporting Israel fully and publicly telling the truth, the facts have bipartisan support in the Senate. That should put some iron in the administration's spine.

445 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:21:46pm

re: #437 HoosierHoops

Tied at 72..Beginning of the 4th quarter..Go Celtics!

AHEM. Go Lakers!
*waves*

446 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:21:57pm

re: #427 Gus 802

Yeah, no outright violence. Just what then? Peace violence? I think the IDF infrared video said it all when it showed the boarding party coming under immediate attack from the IHH militants. I noticed they used the current meme of "maybe that was an IDF knife" as some kind of excuse.

I like the part where they pointed out it wasn't clear if the wounded Israeli soldier being led by the "civilians" still had his weapons or not.
They made sure to use the word civilians to describe the "peace activists" more than once.

Rule 11-b from the Reuters handbook. Terrorists are civilians.

447 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:22:06pm

re: #441 Charles

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

Nice.

448 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:22:27pm

re: #441 Charles

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

well it is Sunday evening so it might... now if it shows up on Monday morning not so much.

449 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:22:32pm

re: #441 Charles

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

Go Charles!

450 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:22:56pm

re: #443 brookly red

like I said, you can see it coming.

The original quote:

expressed a lot of pleasure in shooting those "woman beating so and so's".

You could see that coming how? "fool" it's war, how?

451 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:24:00pm

re: #441 Charles

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

It's extra sweet because some douchebag has to wake up his boss in the middle of the night there to ask what to do.

452 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:24:39pm

re: #445 Floral Giraffe

AHEM. Go Lakers!
*waves*

*waves*
This is a great game...I came home from the party at halftime.. Gotta work in the morning..
Hope you are well

453 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:24:43pm

re: #441 Charles

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

Can you tell if they are reading the comments or just reading the front page?

454 bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:24:48pm

re: #441 Charles

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

Lets not let it. Folks, continue to spread the word about this story.

455 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:25:21pm

re: #444 Dark_Falcon

With Brown, and now Schumer supporting Israel fully and publicly telling the truth, the facts have bipartisan support in the Senate. That should put some iron in the administration's spine.

you would think so but I am not optimistic.

456 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:25:58pm

re: #435 The Shadow Do

Absolutely. It is a fucking war fool.

The marine was dehumanising the very people he was putatively liberating from Sadam. His comment also shows a bigotry that puts his ability to think clearly, especially in situations where the needed response is not obvious, in jeopardy.

I hardly think Stanley, or any other member of LGF, left of centre or not, is a fool.

457 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:26:38pm

re: #454 bloodnok

Lets not let it. Folks, continue to spread the word about this story.

Those with twitter accounts should retweet. If you have a blog post it.

458 Buck  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:27:02pm

re: #435 The Shadow Do

Absolutely. It is a fucking war fool.

Discipline is a better weapon than rage.

459 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:27:06pm

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

God bless him. Does he talk about it much?
Most of them don't.

yes, he was quite colorful at times...he talked to me, but nobody else...not even my brother in law who was a three tour Viet Nam vet

460 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:27:11pm

re: #457 Killgore Trout

Those with twitter accounts should retweet. If you have a blog post it.

I Tweeted earlier.

461 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:27:21pm

re: #456 b_sharp

The marine was dehumanising the very people he was putatively liberating from Sadam. His comment also shows a bigotry that puts his ability to think clearly, especially in situations where the needed response is not obvious, in jeopardy.

I hardly think Stanley, or any other member of LGF, left of centre or not, is a fool.

THANK YOU. I'm aghast at what I see sometimes. Damn it.

462 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:28:08pm

re: #441 Charles

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

It's time Reuters, and every other news source, started presenting reality as it is.

463 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:28:56pm

re: #456 b_sharp

The marine was dehumanising the very people he was putatively liberating from Sadam. His comment also shows a bigotry that puts his ability to think clearly, especially in situations where the needed response is not obvious, in jeopardy.

I hardly think Stanley, or any other member of LGF, left of centre or not, is a fool.

Context, Fallujah I, the reporter was asking an obviously leading question working the PTSD angle asking something to the effect of how do you feel when you have to kill people.

How if the hell do you think he feels? They are indeed woman beating freaks. He was damn happy to kill them as opposed to vice versa. Or would a bit of dishonesty from the Marine have suited you better?

464 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:29:05pm

Great news from the journalism world...

I concur with the following response from my agent to Helen Thomas' lamentable remarks about Israel, and will no longer be working with Helen on our book projects. -- Craig Crawford

"It is with a heavy heart that Nine Speakers, Inc. announces its resignation as the agent for Helen Thomas, Dean of the White House Press Corps. Ms. Thomas has had an esteemed career as a journalist, and she has been a trailblazer for women, helping others in her profession, and beyond. However, in light of recent events, Nine Speakers is no longer able to represent Ms. Thomas, nor can we condone her comments on the Middle East. Nine Speakers will continue to enthusiastically represent all of our other current and future clients." -- Diane Nine

May we never see her face again.

465 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:29:45pm

re: #450 Stanley Sea

You could see that coming how? "fool" it's war, how?

no the quote I was responding to was Absolutely. It is a fucking war fool. I think the rest is clear.

466 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:30:23pm

re: #450 Stanley Sea

You could see that coming how? "fool" it's war, how?

By being able to predict 'leftist' responses, the 'leftist' position is supposedly diminished.

I find that more than questionable, but apparently some bank on it.

467 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:30:48pm

re: #441 Charles

Two more hits just came in from Reuters Canary Wharf offices, from a different user agent.

Something tells me they're trying to figure out how to handle this. "Will it blow over?"

Not a chance. Why, I already posted it on Facebook, and I've got over 130 friends!

Unless Bagua deletes them.

Seriously, if Reuters think this will go away, they've forgotten their last encounter with the Lizard Army. I believe they had to fire some people and make some red-faced apologies, right? And even post a set of guidelines on photo alteration?

Somebody (a poor sacrificial lamb or scapegrace scapegoat, most likely, but still) is going to be cropping grass instead of photos soon.

468 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:30:58pm

re: #462 b_sharp

It's time Reuters, and every other news source, started presenting reality as it is.

Curious, coming from someone who berates an honest war fighter tasked to perform in the face of the hardest of realities.

469 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:31:12pm

re: #463 The Shadow Do

Context, Fallujah I, the reporter was asking an obviously leading question working the PTSD angle asking something to the effect of how do you feel when you have to kill people.

How if the hell do you think he feels? They are indeed woman beating freaks. He was damn happy to kill them as opposed to vice versa. Or would a bit of dishonesty from the Marine have suited you better?

Well, you should have provided this in the first place. You totally misrepresented your post. Totally.

470 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:31:20pm

re: #458 Buck

Discipline is a better weapon than rage.

Well said.

471 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:31:21pm

re: #456 b_sharp

The marine was dehumanising the very people he was putatively liberating from Sadam. His comment also shows a bigotry that puts his ability to think clearly, especially in situations where the needed response is not obvious, in jeopardy.

I hardly think Stanley, or any other member of LGF, left of centre or not, is a fool.

it was one comment...who knows the context
no big deal

472 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:31:23pm

re: #452 HoosierHoops

*waves*
This is a great game...I came home from the party at halftime.. Gotta work in the morning..
Hope you are well

It's going to be a great series!

473 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:31:36pm

re: #456 b_sharp

The marine was dehumanising the very people he was putatively liberating from Sadam. His comment also shows a bigotry that puts his ability to think clearly, especially in situations where the needed response is not obvious, in jeopardy.

I hardly think Stanley, or any other member of LGF, left of centre or not, is a fool.

I think he was referring to the terrorists, not ordinary Iraqis. I approved because I think it puts fear in the hearts of our enemies to know we have men who actively want to kill them.

474 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:32:06pm

It made Wiki...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

475 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:32:06pm

re: #442 abolitionist

English translation(s) here: [Link: www.memri.org...]

Thanks for that link. I kind of knew what he was saying just by the "Fuhrer-at-the-beer-hall" speech pattern but it was good to confirm that with the text. Here is a bit from the end of the speech

.."The entire world must know that if they do not lift the embargo from Gaza, all the Muslims in the world will march to Gaza."

March? That lazy ass didn't march 1 mile. Is that how radical Turks march? on a boat?

476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:32:24pm

Just watched the evening news... boy, that Stalin bust has some people seriously pissed... At least in these here parts...

477 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:32:42pm

re: #459 albusteve

yes, he was quite colorful at times...he talked to me, but nobody else...not even my brother in law who was a three tour Viet Nam vet

That's great. You must feel special. I met a guy last month that is making a video series about his experience in the South Pacific. He's written a few books about it as well. He said he never talked about it until he started doing videos for the Pentagon discussing his experiences. I didn't ask many questions but he just started talking and I was mesmerized by his stories.

478 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:32:57pm

re: #471 albusteve

it was one comment...who knows the context
no big deal

Funny how the context is known, but provided later.

Let's rile up the natives type of crap.

479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:32:58pm

re: #467 Cato the Elder

They'll blame it on Helen Thomas.

480 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:33:04pm
Reuters Photo Cropping

After publication of several photos taken by the IHH on board the Mavi Marmara, the Reuters news agency cropped two, in both removing knives held by the IHH, as well as a bloodied and wounded Israeli soldier lying on the floor. [232] [233]

232 [Link: blog.camera.org...]
233 [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

481 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:33:22pm

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just watched the evening news... boy, that Stalin bust has some people seriously pissed... At least in these here parts...

including me...it's a farce

482 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:33:30pm

Pro Israel - Antil Flotilla Rally, photos taken on June 6th 2010 at the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire blvd, Los Angeles.

I apologize for the glare in the photos, it was crazy hot and I was more into supporting than documenting ... [ I can take better photos, check the other set of travelingCA taken in Lancaster CA. ahm...]

Comments (pro & con) are very much welcome.
If you need, please do use these photos in any of your online assets.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:33:42pm

re: #458 Buck

Discipline is a better weapon than rage.

How do you feel about disciplined rage?

484 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:33:47pm

Ooh, Buck is back!

Didja see the joke I wrote for you on the previous thread, Buck?

485 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:34:18pm

re: #475 Mich-again

You're welcome. It's from my #710 in prev thread.

486 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:34:54pm

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

That's great. You must feel special. I met a guy last month that is making a video series about his experience in the South Pacific. He's written a few books about it as well. He said he never talked about it until he started doing videos for the Pentagon discussing his experiences. I didn't ask many questions but he just started talking and I was mesmerized by his stories.

it was a horrible fight, all the way up to Okinawa...horrible, and almost forgotten

487 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:34:56pm

re: #464 NJDhockeyfan

May we never see her face again.

You mean that thing is her face? Crimeny!

488 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:35:13pm

re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do you feel about disciplined rage?

Cry havoc.

489 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:35:14pm

re: #394 albusteve

back then was his time...he knew that

And, thousands of years before.

Now, I have those horns from the movie playing in my head.

490 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:35:35pm

re: #482 american_peanuts

Pro Israel - Antil Flotilla Rally, photos taken on June 6th 2010 at the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire blvd, Los Angeles.

I apologize for the glare in the photos, it was crazy hot and I was more into supporting than documenting ... [ I can take better photos, check the other set of travelingCA taken in Lancaster CA. ahm...]

Comments (pro & con) are very much welcome.
If you need, please do use these photos in any of your online assets.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Sorry for reposting - view the galley with info on, I tried to explain what's going on.

491 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:35:35pm

re: #482 american_peanuts

I like ChickPeas!

492 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:36:10pm

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

My favorite General. I would have loved to serve under his command.

Beat shovelling shit in Louisiana!

493 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:36:37pm

re: #491 Killgore Trout

I like ChickPeas!

YOU ARE AN ANTISEMITE !!!!!
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;-)

494 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:36:42pm

re: #480 Gus 802

It's made Wiki already?

Guess it's not going away, Reuters.

Hard times at Canary Wharf.

495 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:36:52pm

re: #400 b_sharp

Later. Thanks Mandy.

You're welcome! Have a great week.

496 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:37:00pm

re: #491 Killgore Trout

I like ChickPeas!

HEDONIST!

497 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:37:01pm

Superb job, Charles!
This expose demonstrates a sickening second attempt on the part of Thomson Reuters to withhold vital evidence of the aggressive violent actions of the Islamofascist flotilla terrorists.
Shame on the MSM tools!

498 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:37:25pm

re: #493 american_peanuts

YOU ARE AN ANTISEMITE !!!
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;-)

Uncle Leo?
/

499 bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:37:27pm

re: #462 b_sharp

It's time Reuters, and every other news source, started presenting reality as it is.

And it's time that right wing blogs that say they support Israel to set aside their lockstep anti-LGF mentality and promote this story. Is that more important than actually DOING something to both support Israel and to show Reuters that this will not be ignored?

Then again consistency has not been their strong suit. Dang.

500 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:37:27pm

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

You got that right. If a general today slapped a soldier he'd be court marshaled & sent to prison. The damn lawyers are getting in the way of winning battles.

Well, nowadays he'd know about PTSD.

501 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:37:54pm

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just watched the evening news... boy, that Stalin bust has some people seriously pissed... At least in these here parts...

Stalin bust?

502 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:38:23pm

re: #472 Floral Giraffe

It's going to be a great series!

Last year when the Lakers won I was so despondent when I posted here..
(Not really..It was pretty funny teasing Charles about being downtown for the Parade)

503 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:38:29pm

Corner - National Review

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

504 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:38:40pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Stalin bust?

at the D Day memorial...

505 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:38:46pm

re: #503 Gus 802

Corner - National Review

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Sunday, June 06, 2010

Adventures in Cropping [Daniel Foster]

Via Little Green Footballs, two (graphic) photos of a wounded Israeli soldier surrounded by "peace activists," the first run by a Turkish newspaper, the second by Reuters. Notice anything missing in the Reuters crop?

506 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:38:50pm

re: #407 Jerk

Sweet dreams.

507 What, me worry?  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:39:08pm

re: #482 american_peanuts

Pro Israel - Antil Flotilla Rally, photos taken on June 6th 2010 at the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire blvd, Los Angeles.

I apologize for the glare in the photos, it was crazy hot and I was more into supporting than documenting ... [ I can take better photos, check the other set of travelingCA taken in Lancaster CA. ahm...]

Comments (pro & con) are very much welcome.
If you need, please do use these photos in any of your online assets.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Great pics! KT beat me to the Humus sign :)

508 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:39:34pm

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

Brown launches defense of Israel

Like that man more and more.

509 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:40:01pm

re: #505 Gus 802

if they got it it will be on Drudge by lunch time tomorrow...

510 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:40:30pm

re: #417 brookly red

The most important lesson to be learned from WWII is that bad stuff does not all of a sudden pop up like magic, we can see it coming.

We see it happening right now.

511 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:40:30pm

re: #504 brookly red

at the D Day memorial...

MF had nothing to do with D-Day...the memorial has nothing to do with the geopolitical war...says I

512 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:41:15pm

bbiab.

513 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:41:30pm

re: #504 brookly red

at the D Day memorial...

Where? In Normandy?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but without Uncle Joe's troops using up most of Hitler's energies in the east, D-Day would never have happened.

Nontroversy.

514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:41:51pm

re: #511 albusteve

I am in agreeance.

515 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:42:01pm

re: #513 Cato the Elder

Where? In Normandy?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but without Uncle Joe's troops using up most of Hitler's energies in the east, D-Day would never have happened.

Nontroversy.

that's exactly not the point

516 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:43:07pm

So, any guesses as to who is really calling the shots at Reuters?

517 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:43:12pm

re: #513 Cato the Elder

Where? In Normandy?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but without Uncle Joe's troops using up most of Hitler's energies in the east, D-Day would never have happened.

Nontroversy.

not my bubble, I was just the messenger so keep it to your self.

518 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:44:03pm

re: #515 albusteve

that's exactly not the point

What is the point? Outrageous outrage?

519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:44:32pm

re: #513 Cato the Elder

Nah. In Bedford VA, there is a memorial for D-Day veterans... They've included a bust of Uncle Joe.

The Soviets have been largely overlooked for their importance in WWII, but they weren't at D-Day... memorial is about D-Day specifically.

I wasn't there, so, don't really have a dog in the fight, but... some boys who were there are substantially pissed.

520 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:44:44pm

re: #431 The Shadow Do

Early on in Iraq a Marine officer, as I recall, expressed a lot of pleasure in shooting those "woman beating so and so's". Big stink. Wonder what happened to him, probably hurt his career.

Oooh. Demonizing the enemy. Bad Marine. Bad. Now, go attend a sensitivity training course taught by CAIR.

521 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:44:47pm

re: #513 Cato the Elder

Where? In Normandy?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but without Uncle Joe's troops using up most of Hitler's energies in the east, D-Day would never have happened.

Nontroversy.

The Russians had no part in D-Day. Stalin does not belong in the D-Day memorial. Period.

522 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:45:11pm

re: #516 eclectic infidel

So, any guesses as to who is really calling the shots at Reuters?

Obama!

//

523 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:45:29pm

re: #502 HoosierHoops

Kobe is really amazing.

524 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:46:30pm

re: #519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah. In Bedford VA, there is a memorial for D-Day veterans... They've included a bust of Uncle Joe.

The Soviets have been largely overlooked for their importance in WWII, but they weren't at D-Day... memorial is about D-Day specifically.

I wasn't there, so, don't really have a dog in the fight, but... some boys who were there are substantially pissed.

It's my understanding that Bedford VA ranked #1 in terms of per capita losses in ww2.

525 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:46:31pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

What is the point? Outrageous outrage?

it's a D-Day memorial, not a WW2 or Eastern Front memorial

526 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:47:20pm

re: #463 The Shadow Do

Context, Fallujah I, the reporter was asking an obviously leading question working the PTSD angle asking something to the effect of how do you feel when you have to kill people.

How if the hell do you think he feels? They are indeed woman beating freaks. He was damn happy to kill them as opposed to vice versa. Or would a bit of dishonesty from the Marine have suited you better?

Not at all. I would rather the Marine be open and honest about his feelings. However, knowing his feelings, if I was his CO I would put him somewhere out of contact with other people. His attitude is a danger to Iraqis and his fellow Marines. He could very well put his brothers in jeopardy. I would have to question his ability to differentiate between the Iraqis supporting Sadam and those opposing him.

In the question asked, was the choice 'kill them rather than having them kill you' given?

I understand the need to dehumanize the enemy to reduce the stress on military members when they rejoin general society, but the war in Iraq is not the same as WWII, and if wife beating is justification for killing, there should be a lot of dead husbands in North America.

Wife beating is vile and there is no excuse for it, but we in Western society have deemed it worthy of fines, jail time and divorce, as well as ostracization, but it is not considered for the death penalty.

527 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:47:49pm

re: #516 eclectic infidel

So, any guesses as to who is really calling the shots at Reuters?

IIRC the billionnaire Canadian Thomson family bought Reuters in the past year or two. Unfortunately, they have failed to clean up Reuters' act and have allowed the same bias and sloppy reportage to continue.

528 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:48:14pm

re: #526 b_sharp

Not at all. I would rather the Marine be open and honest about his feelings. However, knowing his feelings, if I was his CO I would put him somewhere out of contact with other people. His attitude is a danger to Iraqis and his fellow Marines. He could very well put his brothers in jeopardy. I would have to question his ability to differentiate between the Iraqis supporting Sadam and those opposing him.

In the question asked, was the choice 'kill them rather than having them kill you' given?

I understand the need to dehumanize the enemy to reduce the stress on military members when they rejoin general society, but the war in Iraq is not the same as WWII, and if wife beating is justification for killing, there should be a lot of dead husbands in North America.

Wife beating is vile and there is no excuse for it, but we in Western society have deemed it worthy of fines, jail time and divorce, as well as ostracization, but it is not considered for the death penalty.

you are going way too deep

529 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:48:56pm

re: #525 albusteve

it's a D-Day memorial, not a WW2 or Eastern Front memorial

well I guess it's now PC to honor commies...

530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:49:00pm

re: #524 abolitionist

It's my understanding that Bedford VA ranked #1 in terms of per capita losses in ww2.

Yep. They lost quite a few men from there. Which is why they got the Memorial.

I drive by it a few times a week. It's a lovely site.

531 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:49:15pm

re: #456 b_sharp

The marine was dehumanising the very people he was putatively liberating from Sadam. His comment also shows a bigotry that puts his ability to think clearly, especially in situations where the needed response is not obvious, in jeopardy.

I hardly think Stanley, or any other member of LGF, left of centre or not, is a fool.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Ever heard of Uday and Qusay?

532 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:49:18pm

re: #507 marjoriemoon

Thank you.

533 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:49:35pm

re: #521 NJDhockeyfan

The Russians had no part in D-Day. Stalin does not belong in the D-Day memorial. Period.

I believe there were actually Russians at D-Day. Military observers, if memory serves.

Anyway, your "period" fails to impress.

534 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:49:35pm

re: #528 albusteve

No he's not. The supports of this are going to shallow.

535 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:49:38pm

re: #527 Spare O'Lake

IIRC the billionnaire Canadian Thomson family bought Reuters in the past year or two. Unfortunately, they have failed to clean up Reuters' act and have allowed the same bias and sloppy reportage to continue.

and now they have KT and Charles on their ass...too bad for them

536 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:49:46pm

re: #464 NJDhockeyfan

Great news from the journalism world...

May we never see her face again.

Geez, NJD, something we agree on. I'm aghast.

537 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:50:23pm

re: #526 b_sharp

what a load.

538 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:50:47pm

re: #529 brookly red

well I guess it's now PC to honor commies...

Mass murdering commies are hip!

539 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:51:16pm

re: #534 Stanley Sea

No he's not. The supports of this are going to shallow.

it's one guy out of literally thousands...make of it what you want

540 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:51:28pm

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just watched the evening news... boy, that Stalin bust has some people seriously pissed... At least in these here parts...

Stalin had a role in D-Day?

541 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:52:06pm

re: #538 NJDhockeyfan

Mass murdering commies are hip!

/wanna buy a Che t-shirt?

542 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:52:17pm

re: #482 american_peanuts

Pro Israel - Antil Flotilla Rally, photos taken on June 6th 2010 at the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire blvd, Los Angeles.

I apologize for the glare in the photos, it was crazy hot and I was more into supporting than documenting ... [ I can take better photos, check the other set of travelingCA taken in Lancaster CA. ahm...]

Comments (pro & con) are very much welcome.
If you need, please do use these photos in any of your online assets.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Thank you.

543 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:52:20pm

re: #460 Gus 802

I Tweeted earlier.

What are the tags I should use on the retweet?

544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:52:37pm

Sorry. Wasn't trying to re-start the cold war... Was the lead story on the evening news.... living close to it makes stories stick out.

545 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:53:30pm

NRO picked up the story: Adventures in Cropping

546 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:53:36pm

re: #543 reine.de.tout

What are the tags I should use on the retweet?

You mean like #?

I use #lgf and/or #lgfpages.

You can add others. If you want conservatives on Twitter to find it add #tcot.

547 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:53:44pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

I believe there were actually Russians at D-Day. Military observers, if memory serves.

Anyway, your "period" fails to impress.

I wasn't trying to impress you. I also don't understand the need by some lefties on here to defend a bust of a mass murdering commie bastard placed in a D-Day memorial in Virginia. The veterans who participated in the battle don't want it there. Lets honor their wishes and shit can it.

548 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:54:12pm

re: #544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. Wasn't trying to re-start the cold war... Was the lead story on the evening news... living close to it makes stories stick out.

you toad...look what you've DONE!

549 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:54:40pm

Lakers!

550 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:54:41pm

re: #545 Killgore Trout

NRO picked up the story: Adventures in Cropping

Yep. It's showing up in a small section of their front page now.

551 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:54:52pm

re: #545 Killgore Trout

NRO picked up the story: Adventures in Cropping

legs?

552 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:55:02pm

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

I wasn't trying to impress you. I also don't understand the need by some lefties on here to defend a bust of a mass murdering commie bastard placed in a D-Day memorial in Virginia. The veterans who participated in the battle don't want it there. Lets honor their wishes and shit can it.

maybe we can put in in storage with the Churchill bust?

553 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:55:42pm

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just watched the evening news... boy, that Stalin bust has some people seriously pissed... At least in these here parts...

What Stalin bust/
what have I missed?

554 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:56:00pm

re: #513 Cato the Elder

Agreed. And Operation Bagration helped ensure it would succeed by preventing the siphoning of troops from the East to the West.

William

555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:56:05pm

CHUCK CONNERS!

556 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:56:25pm

re: #552 brookly red

Good one.

557 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:56:25pm

re: #552 brookly red

maybe we can put in in storage with the Churchill bust?

Churchill was a putz!...get that dork outa here!...I WON!

558 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:56:26pm

re: #546 Gus 802

You mean like #?

I use #lgf and/or #lgfpages.

You can add others. If you want conservatives on Twitter to find it add #tcot.

Isn't #tcot a cesspool?

559 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:56:30pm

Too bad about those Lakers
//

560 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:56:44pm

re: #549 cliffster

Lakers!

HAHA The Celtics are going to win tonight!

561 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:56:51pm

re: #551 albusteve

legs?

Possibly.

562 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:57:02pm

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

I think he was referring to the terrorists, not ordinary Iraqis. I approved because I think it puts fear in the hearts of our enemies to know we have men who actively want to kill them.

"We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!

"I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!"

563 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:57:11pm

re: #558 Stanley Sea

Isn't #tcot a cesspool?

I suppose. As is #flotilla.

564 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:57:17pm

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

I wasn't trying to impress you. I also don't understand the need by some lefties on here to defend a bust of a mass murdering commie bastard placed in a D-Day memorial in Virginia. The veterans who participated in the battle don't want it there. Lets honor their wishes and shit can it.

Could they perhaps yank Stalin and substitute an unnamed Russkie soldier?

565 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:58:05pm

re: #563 Gus 802

I suppose. As is #flotilla.


Yes, retweeting it on that will agitate many lefties.

566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:58:15pm

re: #562 MandyManners

Patton put the "P" in PC.

567 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:59:00pm

OK, outrageous outrage.

Knock yourselves out, commie haters.

Without the commies who chewed Hitler's legs off on the Eastern Front, and lost 20,000,000 lives in the process, D-Day would have died on the beaches.

Stalin, like it or not, was essential to the success of D-Day.

568 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:59:00pm

re: #560 HoosierHoops

HAHA The Celtics are going to win tonight!

Home court advantage quietly shifts to Boston.

569 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:59:08pm

re: #554 wlewisiii

Agreed. And Operation Bagration helped ensure it would succeed by preventing the siphoning of troops from the East to the West.

William

and the Marines prevented the Japanese from invading the Congo...I want a Nimitz Bust!

570 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:59:13pm

re: #557 albusteve

Churchill was a putz!...get that dork outa here!...I WON!

Churchill bad, Stalin good. Gonna be hard to spin that one.

571 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:59:25pm

re: #565 Killgore Trout

Yes, retweeting it on that will agitate many lefties.

Yep. They picked up on @idfspokesperson for a while and freaked out for a time. Full of the usual Israel and IDF bashing.

572 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 7:59:43pm

re: #482 american_peanuts

Pro Israel - Antil Flotilla Rally, photos taken on June 6th 2010 at the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire blvd, Los Angeles.

I apologize for the glare in the photos, it was crazy hot and I was more into supporting than documenting ... [ I can take better photos, check the other set of travelingCA taken in Lancaster CA. ahm...]

Comments (pro & con) are very much welcome.
If you need, please do use these photos in any of your online assets.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Great to see that sort of support for Israel!
Just great.
Wish I could have been there.

573 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:00:02pm

re: #567 Cato the Elder

OK, outrageous outrage.

Knock yourselves out, commie haters.

Without the commies who chewed Hitler's legs off on the Eastern Front, and lost 20,000,000 lives in the process, D-Day would have died on the beaches.

Stalin, like it or not, was essential to the success of D-Day.

that's not the point....you've been told that several times commie lover

574 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:00:50pm

re: #568 cliffster

Home court advantage quietly shifts to Boston.


3 games in Boston.. Watch out the Lakers may never go home for this series..
( I hope it goes 7)

575 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:00:53pm

Possibly going viral late on a Sunday night. Pretty unusual. Visitor count mounting....

576 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:01:10pm

re: #564 Spare O'Lake

Could they perhaps yank Stalin and substitute an unnamed Russkie soldier?

I would prefer they yank Stalin and place it in the bottom of the nearest outhouse.

577 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:01:12pm

Ogrish forum referrer.

lol

578 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:01:16pm

re: #573 albusteve

that's not the point...you've been told that several times commie lover

I guess I've just had a stroke or something...I don't really get the point.

If veterans get their knickers in a twist over historical truth, screw them.

579 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:01:16pm

Ray Allen... 8 three pointers.

8.

580 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:01:26pm

re: #567 Cato the Elder

OK, outrageous outrage.

Knock yourselves out, commie haters.

Without the commies who chewed Hitler's legs off on the Eastern Front, and lost 20,000,000 lives in the process, D-Day would have died on the beaches.

Stalin, like it or not, was essential to the success of D-Day.

yes yes yes, Remember the Commie! *snore*

581 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:01:33pm

re: #521 NJDhockeyfan

The Russians had no part in D-Day. Stalin does not belong in the D-Day memorial. Period.

Well, to be fair, technically the French contribution to D-day was largely by way of real estate, also needing saving by being occupied and whatnot. Allies are allies, and the Russian people played the role of the damage absorbing tank admirably. Stalin was a shit, it would be nice if they picked some other image to represent them nationally, like bear cavalry, but they didn't.

582 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:02:17pm

re: #575 Killgore Trout

Possibly going viral late on a Sunday night. Pretty unusual. Visitor count mounting...

Game's over. Hopefully people are checking the interwebz after the game. Nice to see.

583 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:02:22pm

re: #572 reine.de.tout

You know, since day 1 of the FloatZilla crap, I've been reading online mostly the non supporters, and they have been spewing utter lies full blast.
I needed to go and see there is some logic and common sense out there.
It was very nice to see so much non-Jewish, non-Israeli support.

It was a real breath of fresh air.

584 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:03:20pm

re: #468 The Shadow Do

Curious, coming from someone who berates an honest war fighter tasked to perform in the face of the hardest of realities.

Because I can separate the actions of a news source and a completely different human in an unrelated job?

It sounds like you come from the 'war means anything goes' school of thought. If that is the case then why is your military holding and prosecuting a 15 year old boy for killing an American soldier?

I'll answer that for you: because war is not an anythings goes process for any culture that wants to claim the moral high ground, or wants to leave a positive legacy or wants to feel human after the war.

585 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:03:22pm

re: #578 Cato the Elder

I guess I've just had a stroke or something...I don't really get the point.

If veterans get their knickers in a twist over historical truth, screw them.

Markos, is that you?

586 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:04:23pm

re: #565 Killgore Trout

Yes, retweeting it on that will agitate many lefties.

I might have to join that Twitter thing.

587 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:04:30pm

re: #585 NJDhockeyfan

Markos, is that you?

heh

588 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:04:57pm

re: #471 albusteve

it was one comment...who knows the context
no big deal

That is quite true, but I'm just answering the information I got from the poster. If I get better information I can always change my position.

589 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:05:23pm

re: #578 Cato the Elder

I guess I've just had a stroke or something...I don't really get the point.

If veterans get their knickers in a twist over historical truth, screw them.

it has nothing to do with the truth...the memorial is for D Day vets...complicated,I know....everybody here knows the history...maybe the reds should have a memorial to the US for preventing their annihilation via Lend Lease...is there an FDR bust in Stalingrad?...links?

590 Bear  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:05:40pm

Speaking about who was there on June 6, was Gen. Patton there? Actually on the beach? I thought he was with the fake army that sucked Hitler in thinking Normandy was only a diversion.

591 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:05:50pm

BAKU, AZERBAIJAN - JUNE 6: U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates (R) bows as he shakes hands with Azerbaijan's Minister of Defense, General-Colonel Safar Abiyev on the tarmac at the Heydar Aliyev International Airport June 6, 2010 in Baku, Azerbaijan.

592 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:05:50pm

re: #580 cliffster

yes yes yes, Remember the Commie! *snore*

No, remember the 20 million Russians who died fighting Hitler.

You got a problem with that?

593 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:05:59pm

re: #578 Cato the Elder

*blink*

594 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:06:41pm

Well that was bullshit.

595 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:07:07pm

re: #590 Bear

Speaking about who was there on June 6, was Gen. Patton there? Actually on the beach? I thought he was with the fake army that sucked Hitler in thinking Normandy was only a diversion.

No, Patton wasn't there. What's your point?

596 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:07:08pm

re: #591 NJDhockeyfan

BAKU, AZERBAIJAN - JUNE 6: U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates (R) bows as he shakes hands with Azerbaijan's Minister of Defense, General-Colonel Safar Abiyev on the tarmac at the Heydar Aliyev International Airport June 6, 2010 in Baku, Azerbaijan.

Y'all never used to go against the military. Different times now eh?

597 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:07:34pm

re: #574 HoosierHoops

3 games in Boston.. Watch out the Lakers may never go home for this series..
( I hope it goes 7)

ABC hopes it goes 7 too. As long as game 7 goes green, then more power to the sponsors.

598 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:07:34pm

re: #590 Bear

Speaking about who was there on June 6, was Gen. Patton there? Actually on the beach? I thought he was with the fake army that sucked Hitler in thinking Normandy was only a diversion.

he did not participate in the landings....a huge waste of energy

599 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:07:40pm

re: #592 Cato the Elder

No, remember the 20 million Russians who died fighting Hitler.

You're absolutely right there. The Soviets payed a terrible price for WWII.

600 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:08:25pm

re: #592 Cato the Elder

No, remember the 20 million Russians who died fighting Hitler.

You got a problem with that?

Fuck the Russians. We are talking about a memorial for the veterans of D-Day. The Russians weren't there. Screw them.

601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:08:36pm

re: #599 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're absolutely right there. The Soviets payed a terrible price for WWII.

Payed?

Oh. My. God.

Paid... geeze.

602 firstinla  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:08:51pm

re: #564 Spare O'Lake

Could they perhaps yank Stalin and substitute an unnamed Russkie soldier?

Isn't that a little like putting fig leaves on naked statues./

603 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:08:52pm

I wonder if Patton was correct about kicking Soviet ass.

604 Bear  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:08:55pm

re: #595 NJDhockeyfan

That others in England supported the invasion and perhaps should be honored.

605 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:09:05pm

Memeorandum links it now.

GO!

606 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:09:47pm

re: #591 NJDhockeyfan

BAKU, AZERBAIJAN - JUNE 6: U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates (R) bows as he shakes hands with Azerbaijan's Minister of Defense, General-Colonel Safar Abiyev on the tarmac at the Heydar Aliyev International Airport June 6, 2010 in Baku, Azerbaijan.

Posture police?

Really?

607 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:10:09pm

re: #592 Cato the Elder

No, remember the 20 million Russians who died fighting Hitler.

You got a problem with that?

I don't...that was their fight, Stalin got himself into that mess and we bailed him out...20m Russians was a needless sacrifice and Stalin was an even worse tactician than Hitler...couple of rubes deserved each other...fuck them both, murderous rookies

608 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:11:24pm

re: #603 MandyManners

I wonder if Patton was correct about kicking Soviet ass.

one hell of a fight, but we could have done it

609 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:11:33pm

re: #604 Bear

That others in England supported the invasion and perhaps should be honored.

Well shit, Icelanders supported the Allies, maybe we should honor them as well. Shit, let's open a huge wing and honor everyone who supported the Allies against the Nazis.

610 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:11:33pm

re: #603 MandyManners

I wonder if Patton was correct about kicking Soviet ass.

moot there gone.

611 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:11:34pm

re: #607 albusteve

I don't...that was their fight, Stalin got himself into that mess and we bailed him out...20m Russians was a needless sacrifice and Stalin was an even worse tactician than Hitler...couple of rubes deserved each other...fuck them both, murderous rookies

Someone, please. answer this.

612 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:11:50pm

re: #597 cliffster

ABC hopes it goes 7 too. As long as game 7 goes green, then more power to the sponsors.

Oh Good Lord...I was at the game party and came home early and just turned on the news.. An F3 Tornado tore through Indiana.. You should see the pictures...I think they said 7 are dead so far in Ohio...

613 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:12:32pm

re: #605 Bloodnok

Memeorandum links it now.

GO!

Fuck yeah! Will Drudge pick it up? Momentum...

614 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:13:31pm

re: #589 albusteve

it has nothing to do with the truth...the memorial is for D Day vets...complicated,I know...everybody here knows the history...maybe the reds should have a memorial to the US for preventing their annihilation via Lend Lease...is there an FDR bust in Stalingrad?...links?

Tool. Where is Stalingrad?

There is this Stalin-era monument in Moscow to the four great Allied Powers who brought down Hitler, though.

This is a WW2 monument built during Stalin's time to honor the four major powers who fought during against ultimate evil. This monument shows the victorious French, Russian, American and British soldiers together as a coalition. How many of such depictions exist in Europe or the U.S.? Can anyone show me any monuments in the "Free World" honoring Soviet soldiers who fought?

Fair questions. Can you?

615 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:13:31pm

re: #584 b_sharp

..."it sounds like you come from the 'war means anything goes' school of thought."


Not at all. I am entirely on board with the take/hold/build strategy. The part some folks seem to want to take issue with is the take part. You know, where it gets pretty ugly and such like.

616 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:14:31pm

A great speech honoring the D-Day invasion...

Youtube Video
617 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:15:01pm

Well, if they're going to install a bust of Stalin they might as well add a bust of Chiang Kai-shek.

618 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:15:14pm

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

I think he was referring to the terrorists, not ordinary Iraqis. I approved because I think it puts fear in the hearts of our enemies to know we have men who actively want to kill them.

I thought Fallujah was during the initial deposition of Sadam, before the terrorists were a factor. If I'm wrong, I'll reconsider.

In any case, I don't think fear is a big motivator for religious fanatics. I would worry about the Marine mistaking one group of 'wife-beating freaks' for the other group of 'wife-beating freaks'.

619 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:15:26pm

re: #600 NJDhockeyfan

Fuck the Russians. We are talking about a memorial for the veterans of D-Day. The Russians weren't there. Screw them.

Seems like the recent LGF lovefest is over.

As I said, Hockey Pucker, without the Russians, D-Day would have been a rout for the Allies.

Shove your knee-jerk shite where the sun don't shine.

620 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:16:00pm

re: #613 NJDhockeyfan

Fuck yeah! Will Drudge pick it up? Momentum...

C'mon Drudge - link to LGF and help expose those assholes at Reuters. You know you want to.

621 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:16:49pm

re: #620 Racer X

I e-mailed...

622 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:16:52pm

re: #614 Cato the Elder

Fair questions. Can you?

true, there is no more Stalingrad...as for the Reds and their busts that's fine...they do what they want and we will too...no blood no foul and fuck them anyway...Stalin was a madman that sacrificed his soldiers like so much fodder

623 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:17:11pm

re: #546 Gus 802

You mean like #?

I use #lgf and/or #lgfpages.

You can add others. If you want conservatives on Twitter to find it add #tcot.

I was thinking of tags for this particular incident.
boy, I'm way behind here, playing like I'm SFZ.

624 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:17:13pm

re: #612 HoosierHoops

Oh Good Lord...I was at the game party and came home early and just turned on the news.. An F3 Tornado tore through Indiana.. You should see the pictures...I think they said 7 are dead so far in Ohio...

yeah, prayers go out to the folks in Ohio for sure.

625 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:17:45pm

re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do you feel about disciplined rage?

Rage implies a reduction in rational thought. Would you rather have a military capable of rational thought or limited by rage?

626 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:18:00pm

re: #565 Killgore Trout

Yes, retweeting it on that will agitate many lefties.

OK, that's what I was looking for.

627 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:18:14pm

re: #623 reine.de.tout

I was thinking of tags for this particular incident.
boy, I'm way behind here, playing like I'm SFZ.

Oh. Easiest way is to just click on the Retweet button at the top of this page.

628 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:18:46pm

re: #486 albusteve

it was a horrible fight, all the way up to Okinawa...horrible, and almost forgotten

Did you watch the mini-series The Pacific?

629 Kefirah  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:20:00pm

not sure if y'all have seen this, or if it was mentioned in the other thread, but commentary has linked back to charles:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

630 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:20:16pm

re: #628 b_sharp

Did you watch the mini-series The Pacific?

no I missed it, but I want to see the DVD...I heard it was not so good...did you see it?

631 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:20:17pm

re: #619 Cato the Elder

Seems like the recent LGF lovefest is over.

As I said, Hockey Pucker, without the Russians, D-Day would have been a rout for the Allies.

Shove your knee-jerk shite where the sun don't shine.

Then honor them for the battles they were involved in, not ones they might have affected. Sticking Stalin's head in a D-Day memorial is stupid.

632 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:21:15pm

re: #499 bloodnok

And it's time that right wing blogs that say they support Israel to set aside their lockstep anti-LGF mentality and promote this story. Is that more important than actually DOING something to both support Israel and to show Reuters that this will not be ignored?

Then again consistency has not been their strong suit. Dang.

Extreme is as extreme does, as long as it doesn't include thinking.

633 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:21:22pm

This whole story points out that Turkish Presdient Tayyip Erdogan is nothing more than just one more radical Islamic coward. Trying to fight a war by proxy by telling lies, covering up ties, and sending crazed radicals posing as civilians. He's clearly been taking lessons from the other big cowards, the Mullahs in Iran. They want no part of a real war, so they stand on the sidelines and agitate and use radicals to do their dirty work.
Cowardly, sniveling wimp afraid to state publicly what he really thinks. Loser.

634 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:21:51pm

re: #631 NJDhockeyfan

Then honor them for the battles they were involved in, not ones they might have affected. Sticking Stalin's head in a D-Day memorial is stupid.

REMEMBER THE KURSK!

635 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:21:51pm

re: #627 Gus 802

Oh. Easiest way is to just click on the Retweet button at the top of this page.

yes, that's what I do ,but I wanted to add those other tags.

636 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:21:54pm

People might better ask why there's a bust of De Gaulle at the D-Day memorial (if there is one) than why there's one of Stalin.

The French contribution to the demise of the Nazis was minimal compared to that of the Russians.

637 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:22:17pm

re: #597 cliffster

ABC hopes it goes 7 too. As long as game 7 goes green, then more power to the sponsors.

Big one for the Celts tonight ... I'm sticking with my original prediction ...... Boston in 6

638 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:22:42pm

re: #633 Mich-again

This whole story points out that Turkish Presdient Tayyip Erdogan is nothing more than just one more radical Islamic coward. Trying to fight a war by proxy by telling lies, covering up ties, and sending crazed radicals posing as civilians. He's clearly been taking lessons from the other big cowards, the Mullahs in Iran. They want no part of a real war, so they stand on the sidelines and agitate and use radicals to do their dirty work.
Cowardly, sniveling wimp afraid to state publicly what he really thinks. Loser.

agreed, Hilary in 4....TKO

639 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:22:45pm

re: #628 b_sharp

Did you watch the mini-series The Pacific?

The WWII vet I met last month said he hasn't seen a war movie that even comes close to capturing the real feel of battle. He doesn't think it can be done.

640 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:22:46pm

re: #583 american_peanuts

You know, since day 1 of the FloatZilla crap, I've been reading online mostly the non supporters, and they have been spewing utter lies full blast.
I needed to go and see there is some logic and common sense out there.
It was very nice to see so much non-Jewish, non-Israeli support.

It was a real breath of fresh air.

So is LGF.
Just hang around.

641 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:23:15pm

re: #500 MandyManners

Well, nowadays he'd know about PTSD.

That speech you quoted from the movie would have been used as much to minimize PTSD as to quell debilitating fear.

642 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:23:45pm

re: #636 Cato the Elder

People might better ask why there's a bust of De Gaulle at the D-Day memorial (if there is one) than why there's one of Stalin.

The French contribution to the demise of the Nazis was minimal compared to that of the Russians.

but we are not debating the demise of the Nazis

643 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:24:05pm

Steve Wynn Takes on Washington

Again.

644 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:24:21pm

re: #637 _RememberTonyC

Big one for the Celts tonight ... I'm sticking with my original prediction ... Boston in 6

whoa dude

645 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:24:37pm

Great honor is due to Ivan

for his sacrifice in stopping Hitler

this is a fact and may never be denied

646 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:25:14pm

re: #636 Cato the Elder

People might better ask why there's a bust of De Gaulle at the D-Day memorial (if there is one) than why there's one of Stalin.

The French contribution to the demise of the Nazis was minimal compared to that of the Russians.

At D-Day?

647 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:25:25pm

re: #639 NJDhockeyfan

The WWII vet I met last month said he hasn't seen a war movie that even comes close to capturing the real feel of battle. He doesn't think it can be done.

Private Ryan comes very close I think

648 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:25:27pm

re: #644 albusteve

whoa dude


i guess you disagree?

649 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:26:05pm

re: #620 Racer X

C'mon Drudge - link to LGF and help expose those assholes at Reuters. You know you want to.

That's a tall order. Drudge is in bed with Brietart and Alex Jones these day. I seriously doubt if LGF will get a link from Drudge, it's probably for the best.

650 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:26:08pm

re: #645 Ojoe

Great honor is due to Ivan

for his sacrifice in stopping Hitler

this is a fact and may never be denied

Youtube Video
651 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:26:36pm

re: #626 reine.de.tout

OK, that's what I was looking for.

Hooray!

652 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:26:39pm

re: #528 albusteve

you are going way too deep

Please, elaborate.

Just trying to learn.

653 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:26:44pm

re: #645 Ojoe

Great honor is due to Ivan

for his sacrifice in stopping Hitler

this is a fact and may never be denied

true that but he was in their face, they had no choice. we on the other hand went "over there" out of choice.

654 Kefirah  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:27:17pm

re: #649 Killgore Trout

if commentary gets it out [and again, they've linked to it], you may see more conservative blogs picking it up. commentary is jewishly.inclined, but they do trend rightish on domestic policies.

one can dream.

655 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:27:27pm

re: #631 NJDhockeyfan

The Eastern front affected the Western front big time.

You may also check the sacrifices made by the Russians in WW1, before there even was soviet communism.

Honor where it is due.

656 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:27:43pm

re: #648 _RememberTonyC

i guess you disagree?

man...seems impossible, but I guess it can happen, but the Celtics would have to get red hot and stay that way...don't think so...Lakers in 6 or 7

657 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:27:57pm

re: #647 albusteve

Private Ryan comes very close I think

I asked him about that. He said no, not close. I would have thought Platoon would be close since a Vietnam war vet made the movie.

658 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:28:11pm

re: #531 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. Ever heard of Uday and Qusay?

Certainly I have. Is that who the Marine was talking about?
I lack information.

659 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:28:19pm

#flotilla.">#BuyTheFuckingLGFCookBook
/Retweet

660 BryanS  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:28:43pm

re: #633 Mich-again

This whole story points out that Turkish Presdient Tayyip Erdogan is nothing more than just one more radical Islamic coward. Trying to fight a war by proxy by telling lies, covering up ties, and sending crazed radicals posing as civilians. He's clearly been taking lessons from the other big cowards, the Mullahs in Iran. They want no part of a real war, so they stand on the sidelines and agitate and use radicals to do their dirty work.
Cowardly, sniveling wimp afraid to state publicly what he really thinks. Loser.

One has to wonder whether we would accept this kind of pot stirring from a NATO member towards Israel other than the only one with Muslim populations. Criticism, hand ringing, condemnation--yeah, that doesn't cross the line. But Turkey is the instigator here.

661 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:29:26pm

re: #537 The Shadow Do

what a load.

Point taken.

662 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:29:52pm

re: #656 albusteve

man...seems impossible, but I guess it can happen, but the Celtics would have to get red hot and stay that way...don't think so...Lakers in 6 or 7


The format changes during the finals so the next 3 gms are in Boston .... so if BOS wins 2 of 3 at home, they go back to LA leading 3-2. Then they'll either win it in 6 or lose it in 7 ... (I say they win it in 6).

663 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:30:07pm

re: #646 NJDhockeyfan

At D-Day?

Once again, D-Day could never have happened without the Russians. I see nothing wrong with honoring their sacrifices at any WWII memorial. If the way other countries are represented is with busts of their leaders at the time, it is entirely appropriate to include one of Stalin.

And that is the end of my posts on the matter.

Outrageous outrage may now proceed unimpeded by me.

664 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:30:10pm

re: #655 Ojoe

The Eastern front affected the Western front big time.

You may also check the sacrifices made by the Russians in WW1, before there even was soviet communism.

Honor where it is due.

I'm not questioning the Russian's sacrifices. The issue is why is Stalin's head in the D-Day memorial when the Russians didn't take part in the invasion. A lot of D-Day vets don't want it there and I agree with them.

665 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:31:21pm

re: #652 b_sharp

Please, elaborate.

Just trying to learn.

your argument is excellent, but it really is an isolated case, and none of us were there...I don't disclaim your details but I think it is a minor thing that got onto the wires, when it really shouldn't have...even if the guy is a real fiend it would not really affect the big picture

666 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:31:26pm

re: #660 BryanS

One has to wonder whether we would accept this kind of pot stirring from a NATO member towards Israel other than the only one with Muslim populations. Criticism, hand ringing, condemnation--yeah, that doesn't cross the line. But Turkey is the instigator here.

so what are they trying to do and why now?

667 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:31:30pm

re: #567 Cato the Elder

OK, outrageous outrage.

Knock yourselves out, commie haters.

Without the commies who chewed Hitler's legs off on the Eastern Front, and lost 20,000,000 lives in the process, D-Day would have died on the beaches.

Stalin, like it or not, was essential to the success of D-Day.

That's a fact. Operation Bagration, which kicked off on June 22nd, 1944, cost Hitler more troops than were lost in Normandy. The Eastern Front was the decisive front in WWII.

Sorry about the delay, I was sending job applications.

668 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:31:37pm

re: #653 brookly red

true that but he was in their face, they had no choice. we on the other hand went "over there" out of choice.

Nope.

Hitler declared war on us right after Pearl Harbor.

We certainly didn't go for love of the European Jews.

669 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:31:50pm

re: #653 brookly red

Some choice, u-boats were sinking US ships off New Jersey.

670 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:32:00pm

re: #643 Racer X

Steve Wynn Takes on Washington

Again.

Wow, go Steve!

That is one smart and classy man.

671 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:32:44pm

re: #651 Killgore Trout

Hooray!

LOL.
I used the #tcot, those folks will freak at an LGF tweet coming their way.
And the #flotilla.

Now I'll twitter search my nic and see how many of the #tcot folks tell me I have no brain (which they've done on occasion before, LOL),

672 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:32:58pm

re: #663 Cato the Elder

Once again, D-Day could never have happened without the Russians. I see nothing wrong with honoring their sacrifices at any WWII memorial. If the way other countries are represented is with busts of their leaders at the time, it is entirely appropriate to include one of Stalin.

And that is the end of my posts on the matter.

Outrageous outrage may now proceed unimpeded by me.

Stalin was a dick - no bust. But I liked your post. I'll consider that a worthy memorial.

673 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:33:13pm

re: #540 MandyManners

Stalin had a role in D-Day?

I think the USSR applied pressure from their side as the second front. Ask Cato.

674 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:33:14pm

re: #668 Cato the Elder

Nope.

Hitler declared war on us right after Pearl Harbor.

We certainly didn't go for love of the European Jews.

true that but all we needed to do was protect our interests, we did not need to invade the continent, but we did.

675 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:33:18pm

re: #657 NJDhockeyfan

I asked him about that. He said no, not close. I would have thought Platoon would be close since a Vietnam war vet made the movie.


close don't count...only in horse shoes and hand granades

676 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:33:49pm

re: #659 Killgore Trout

#BuyTheFuckingLGFCookBook
/Retweet

Yes.
Please.
And actually, check out both volumes, while you're there!

677 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:33:59pm

re: #667 Dark_Falcon

That's a fact. Operation Bagration, which kicked off on June 22nd, 1944, cost Hitler more troops than were lost in Normandy. The Eastern Front was the decisive front in WWII.

Sorry about the delay, I was sending job applications.

Good luck!

678 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:34:44pm

re: #649 Killgore Trout

That's a tall order. Drudge is in bed with Brietart and Alex Jones these day. I seriously doubt if LGF will get a link from Drudge, it's probably for the best.

Still it is big news. As Charles said they are probably going nuts over whether or not to run the story and link to LGF. It is big. It exposes Reuters - again.

679 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:34:50pm

re: #664 NJDhockeyfan

Here is a statue of Mother Russia instead.

I can understand not wanting a representation of Stalin.

680 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:34:55pm

re: #662 _RememberTonyC

The format changes during the finals so the next 3 gms are in Boston ... so if BOS wins 2 of 3 at home, they go back to LA leading 3-2. Then they'll either win it in 6 or lose it in 7 ... (I say they win it in 6).

sounds fair...two words
Kobe Bryant

681 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:35:00pm

re: #631 NJDhockeyfan

Then honor them for the battles they were involved in, not ones they might have affected. Sticking Stalin's head in a D-Day memorial is stupid.

During WWII our media presented Stalin as kindly, Uncle Joe. Nobody has more reason to hate him than the Russians, as he killed more of them than anyone else.
But fair is fair. Murderous Joseph Stalin, was a major thorn in the side of Germany's Mad Dictator. The Russian front took up a high percentage of the 3rd Reich's war effort , and we must acknowledge that him being a pain hitlers ass, was a blessing to the Allied Powers.
Of course, he didn't mind who he had to kill to stay in power. But one of the groups he killed was German WWII soldiers.

682 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:35:11pm

Who's more fun to agitate? Leftties or righties?
Quien es mas macho?

Youtube Video
683 BryanS  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:35:45pm

re: #666 brookly red

so what are they trying to do and why now?

Erdogan is trying to provoke an incident or cause the Israelis to back away from their (and Egypt's--no criticism leveled to them these days) blockade. Either way, he wins. Turkey has been cozying up with Iran and Syria militarily and diplomatically. Turkey is still democratic, but Erdogan is from an Islamist party. Antipathy towards Israel is just in line with extremist elements Erdogan apparently wants to appease.

684 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:35:50pm

re: #674 brookly red

true that but all we needed to do was protect our interests, we did not need to invade the continent, but we did.

Our interests were massively affected by the war, but some people (Lucky Lindy at the forefront) tried mightily to keep us out.

And yes we did need to invade. The Brits were on their back legs. What, you think we could have just put up coastal defenses and let it go at that?

685 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:36:05pm

So Wynn is throwing in his lot with the steady and stable communist Chinese. Good for him.

686 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:36:08pm

re: #680 albusteve

sounds fair...two words
Kobe Bryant

two more words - "goes down"

687 Bear  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:36:09pm

re: #673 b_sharp

True. Even though we were fighting in Italy it was not enough in Stalin's mind.

689 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:37:13pm

re: #680 albusteve

sounds fair...two words
Kobe Bryant

If he can avoid all those Phantom Phouls™.

690 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:37:48pm

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

I wasn't trying to impress you. I also don't understand the need by some lefties on here to defend a bust of a mass murdering commie bastard placed in a D-Day memorial in Virginia. The veterans who participated in the battle don't want it there. Lets honor their wishes and shit can it.

You've tripped over the conundrum: when people's actions result in both good and bad outcomes, do we condemn for the bad things, do we praise for the good things or do we do both. I think Cato is saying we should praise the USSR for helping win WWII, but condemn Stalin for the deaths of his own people.

691 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:38:06pm

re: #649 Killgore Trout

That's a tall order. Drudge is in bed with Brietart and Alex Jones these day. I seriously doubt if LGF will get a link from Drudge, it's probably for the best.

So, what's the best way for Lizards to help make this go viral?
Post it all over the place?

692 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:38:40pm

re: #681 swamprat

During WWII our media presented Stalin as kindly, Uncle Joe. Nobody has more reason to hate him than the Russians, as he killed more of them than anyone else.
But fair is fair. Murderous Joseph Stalin, was a major thorn in the side of Germany's Mad Dictator. The Russian front took up a high percentage of the 3rd Reich's war effort , and we must acknowledge that him being a pain hitlers ass, was a blessing to the Allied Powers.
Of course, he didn't mind who he had to kill to stay in power. But one of the groups he killed was German WWII soldiers.

Nobody is denying Russia's role in defeating the Nazis. They weren't invading France on June 6th, 1944 so Stalin's bust doesn't belong in a D-Day memorial.

693 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:39:10pm

re: #691 Floral Giraffe

So, what's the best way for Lizards to help make this go viral?
Post it all over the place?

send it to Rush :)

694 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:39:12pm

re: #685 prairiefire

So Wynn is throwing in his lot with the steady and stable communist Chinese. Good for him.

Steve isn't alone, look at all the stuff in your house and note all the Made in China labels. Business with China is good. Steve Wynn is a brilliant businessman by any measure.

695 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:39:33pm

re: #685 prairiefire

So Wynn is throwing in his lot with the steady and stable communist Chinese. Good for him.

Dude is a freaking Billionaire.

/oops, I forget. Capitalists are bad.

696 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:39:36pm

re: #691 Floral Giraffe

So, what's the best way for Lizards to help make this go viral?
Post it all over the place?

Cato posted on his FB.
I "stole" it from him and posted it on my FB.
And I just retweeted.
And NRO, fer cryin' out loud, has it.

697 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:39:57pm

re: #674 brookly red

true that but all we needed to do was protect our interests, we did not need to invade the continent, but we did.

The Germans were light years ahead in missile technology and were working on the atomic bomb. If America didn't invade the continent, it wouldn't be a free country today.

698 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:39:57pm

re: #690 b_sharp

You've tripped over the conundrum: when people's actions result in both good and bad outcomes, do we condemn for the bad things, do we praise for the good things or do we do both. I think Cato is saying we should praise the USSR for helping win WWII, but condemn Stalin for the deaths of his own people.

I'm all over that. I agree. That isn't the issue.

699 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:40:02pm

re: #690 b_sharp

You've tripped over the conundrum: when people's actions result in both good and bad outcomes, do we condemn for the bad things, do we praise for the good things or do we do both. I think Cato is saying we should praise the USSR for helping win WWII, but condemn Stalin for the deaths of his own people.

Cato doesn't know what the fuck he's blabbing about...the issue is a D-Day Memorial...it's not meant to be nuanced to the sixth ring

700 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:40:09pm

re: #680 albusteve

sounds fair...two words
Kobe Bryant


Kobe is great .... but here's the list of Boston's victims so far in the playoffs :

Dwyane Wade
LeBron James
Dwight Howard

But the Lakers are way better than those other teams. So we'll see!

701 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:40:18pm

"All hysterics, please board boat #9 for Communist China."

702 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:40:44pm

re: #698 NJDhockeyfan

I'm all over that. I agree. That isn't the issue.

Fortunately for sane people everywhere, you don't get to decide what the issue is.

703 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:41:07pm

re: #691 Floral Giraffe

So, what's the best way for Lizards to help make this go viral?
Post it all over the place?

Sure, all your favorite blogs besides LGF. I may join a few just to post this.

704 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:41:13pm

I found a stupid poem about Gaza by a "peace activist" useless tool, so I decided to illustrate it.

More illustrations are requested.

705 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:41:21pm

re: #701 prairiefire

"All hysterics, please board boat #9 for Communist China."

I think I'll stick around here and try to change things.

706 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:42:01pm

re: #618 b_sharp

I thought Fallujah was during the initial deposition of Sadam, before the terrorists were a factor. If I'm wrong, I'll reconsider.

In any case, I don't think fear is a big motivator for religious fanatics. I would worry about the Marine mistaking one group of 'wife-beating freaks' for the other group of 'wife-beating freaks'.

You are in error. The original liberation of Iraq was in 2003. Fallujah was fought over in 2004.

707 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:42:04pm

re: #700 _RememberTonyC

Kobe is great ... but here's the list of Boston's victims so far in the playoffs :

Dwyane Wade
LeBron James
Dwight Howard

But the Lakers are way better than those other teams. So we'll see!

yes we will...but I suspect you'll be buying all the beer for a while

708 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:42:28pm

re: #701 prairiefire

"All hysterics, please board boat #9 for Communist China."

what exactly is it that you are suggesting?

709 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:42:43pm

re: #697 Reginald Perrin

If the brave Union soldier boys had not fought and died to save the Union & get rid of Slavery, we wouldn't have been there to stop Hitler.

Only 80 years separate the two conflicts.

Everything you do counts for good or evil in ways that sometimes you cannot even imagine.

710 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:43:12pm

re: #658 b_sharp

Certainly I have. Is that who the Marine was talking about?
I lack information.

No, they were killed in the Summer of 2003.

711 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:43:14pm

re: #702 Cato the Elder

Fortunately for sane people everywhere, you don't get to decide what the issue is.

neither do you, and you don't need to get rude about lover boy

712 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:43:15pm

re: #562 MandyManners

"We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!

"I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!"

The conditions weren't equivalent. At that time the Allies weren't in constant contact with German civilians. The need to interact with civilians is a significant difference.

713 brookly red  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:43:24pm

well I am still more upset about the bust of Churchill then the bust of Stalin, but it is what it is and the times are what they are. Good night good folks.

714 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:43:35pm

I do not think things are better in Macau or communist China.

715 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:44:06pm

Anyway, Israel in the Gardens was pleasant enough, although someone goofed and forgot to get a permit for us to be on the sidewalk to counter the nasty Bay Area Women in Black (who, incidentally, DID get a permit to be on the sidewalk!). Still, it felt really good to yell point blank at the BAWiB "hypocrites!, pseudo-liberals!" Never would I have though I'd ever yell "pseudo-liberal" at someone but damn, it felt good to say it. I also noticed that I attracted nearly four SFPD uniforms as well, causing me to take a breather and join a fellow Zionist for a smoke while I took a video of the hags and their leftist buddies.

It was a lovely festival though. All that activism gave me quite an appetite. I had two falafel pitas from two different vendors, plus a cream puff from Papa Beard's bakery. I usually have a second stomach for the Papa Beard baked goods.

716 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:44:27pm

re: #713 brookly red

well I am still more upset about the bust of Churchill then the bust of Stalin, but it is what it is and the times are what they are. Good night good folks.

I've had a couple of busts that still haunt me...I feel for you

717 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:44:42pm

re: #708 cliffster

what exactly is it that you are suggesting?

I'm suggesting that Mr. Wynn is reacting to conditions in America in a hyper inflated way.

718 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:44:45pm

re: #691 Floral Giraffe

So, what's the best way for Lizards to help make this go viral?
Post it all over the place?

I know nothing!

Youtube Video

Que?
719 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:45:11pm

re: #692 NJDhockeyfan

Nobody is denying Russia's role in defeating the Nazis. They weren't invading France on June 6th, 1944 so Stalin's bust doesn't belong in a D-Day memorial.

That I agree with. That said, they should get a place in any major WWII commemorations. They earned it. Speakers yes, statues no in this case.

720 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:45:29pm

re: #718 Killgore Trout

I know nothing!

[Video]
Que?

Donde esta?

721 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:45:42pm

re: #717 prairiefire

I'm suggesting that Mr. Wynn is reacting to conditions in America in a hyper inflated way.

right, there is no urgency to put people to work...
RECOVERY!

722 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:45:45pm

re: #592 Cato the Elder

No, remember the 20 million Russians who died fighting Hitler.

You got a problem with that?

If Stalin cannot be honoured, then honour the soldiers and the civilians.

723 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:45:48pm

re: #689 Racer X

If he can avoid all those Phantom Phouls™.

Must repeat. The phantom Phouls.

Bullshit

724 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:45:52pm

Britain to give £19 million to Gaza

LONDON — Britain announced Sunday it was giving £19 million for refugees in Gaza and repeated calls for Israel to lift its blockade of the territory.

"The humanitarian situation in Gaza is both unacceptable and unsustainable," International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell said announcing the funds, which will help support schools and health clinics for Gazan refugees.

The money is part of a five-year, 100-million-pound agreement signed with the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) in 2006.

725 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:45:56pm

re: #667 Dark_Falcon

Yep, that's why I mentioned Bagration upthread. D-day could not have succeeded without the Red Army. Sorry but that's reality.

William

726 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:46:57pm

re: #693 brookly red

send it to Rush :)

He's busy - his 4th honeymoon

727 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:47:35pm

re: #723 Stanley Sea

Must repeat. The phantom Phouls.

Bullshit

I swear this brings back memories of the 80's. I cannot believe the number of bullshit calls. But enough.

Props to Boston. They played a great game and the Lakers did not. Gonna be fun the next 3.

728 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:48:24pm

re: #724 NJDhockeyfan

Britain to give £19 million to Gaza

Success!

*high five's Mahmoud*

729 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:48:24pm

re: #695 Racer X

Dude is a freaking Billionaire.

/oops, I forget. Capitalists are bad.

Steve Wynn is a classy guy. His resort is arguably the best on the strip, certainly my favourite. Though he is a bit full of himself, but who wouldn't be in his shoes? He's certainly spot on about the economy and Washington.

I was at his New Years party one year, and he was out of the floor dancing with everyone and then took the mic and said, "Here we are, Elaine and I dancing with the rest of you." (This was before the most recent divorce.) That did come across as a bit pompous I thought.

730 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:48:29pm

re: #717 prairiefire

I'm suggesting that Mr. Wynn is reacting to conditions in America in a hyper inflated way.

I suggest that you are trying to use an equivalence to China to suggest that what we are doing here in the US is just hunky dory. It's not. We're fucking shit up left and right here, and it's going to bury us. Keep on with your incoherent hyperbole though... that will get us exactly where we deserve to be.

731 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:49:13pm

I found this at The Corner on NRO. It's an update to Helen Thomas getting the boot from her speaker's agency:

UPDATE: Passed along by a reader, Thomas has also been uninvited from speaking a high school commencement:

Journalist Helen Thomas was scheduled to be the graduation speaker at Walt Whitman High School later this month — until Sunday, when she was disinvited after comments that she made about Israel and Palestine made many in the community uncomfortable, Montgomery Board of Education President Patricia O'Neill said Sunday.

"We became aware that there are some unfortunate comments from her that are airing on YouTube," O'Neill said. O'Neill said that especially given the large Jewish population at Whitman, the school was not comfortable with having Thomas speak at the graduation on June 14.

A video of Thomas that says it was filmed at the White House on May 27 shows her telling Israelis "to get the hell out of Palestine... it's not German and it's not Poland." When asked where Israelis should go, she said, "Go home!... Poland, Germany... and America, and everywhere else."

732 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:49:15pm

re: #719 Dark_Falcon

That I agree with. That said, they should get a place in any major WWII commemorations. They earned it. Speakers yes, statues no in this case.

okay, give the fucking commies their fucking memorial...couldn't fucking do it without them...stick a fucking brick head of Stalin in the fucking dirt over there...hey Joe? where you goin with that gun in your fucking hand?

733 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:49:18pm

re: #723 Stanley Sea

Must repeat. The phantom Phouls.

Bullshit

the officiating was awful, but keep in mind that LA shot 41 free throws and Boston only shot 26. the problem for LA was that Rajon Rondo torched their entire team down the stretch. LA has a real problem when he plays well.

734 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:49:27pm

re: #720 prairiefire

Donde esta?


Mi lapiz es grande!
/Namaste, y'all

735 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:49:31pm

re: #724 NJDhockeyfan

Britain to give £19 million to Gaza

Oh big deal, that's only about $1.25 for each Gaza man, woman and child.

/drcordell

736 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:50:07pm

re: #612 HoosierHoops

Oh Good Lord...I was at the game party and came home early and just turned on the news.. An F3 Tornado tore through Indiana.. You should see the pictures...I think they said 7 are dead so far in Ohio...

I'm so sorry for those people. I live in tornado ally, the Canadian version, but we seldom get anything above a 2 or 3.

737 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:50:53pm

re: #731 Dark_Falcon

Excuse me for this but -
BIAAAAAAAAATCH ! You deserves this.

738 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:51:30pm

re: #697 Reginald Perrin

The Germans were light years ahead in missile technology and were working on the atomic bomb. If America didn't invade the continent, it wouldn't be a free country today.

Check your email.

739 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:53:25pm

re: #729 Bagua

Steve Wynn is a classy guy. His resort is arguably the best on the strip, certainly my favourite. Though he is a bit full of himself, but who wouldn't be in his shoes? He's certainly spot on about the economy and Washington.

I was at his New Years party one year, and he was out of the floor dancing with everyone and then took the mic and said, "Here we are, Elaine and I dancing with the rest of you." (This was before the most recent divorce.) That did come across as a bit pompous I thought.

I read about his great dinner party. Barbara Walters was one of the guests, there were more important ones I'm sure, I just forget. But Steve was showing them the Picasso he was selling for upteen millions, and he put his elbow through it. Sale was called off, he had to "repair" it.

740 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:53:28pm

re: #731 Dark_Falcon

I found this at The Corner on NRO. It's an update to Helen Thomas getting the boot from her speaker's agency:

But in this late update, the old witch has been invited to speak in tehran next week on the first anniversary of dinnerjacket's glorious election victory.

need I?

741 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:54:06pm

re: #692 NJDhockeyfan

I would go with what the vets want. And I mean the vets who were there.
Their wishes are what count.

742 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:54:11pm

hey Sunday Night Lizards!

Are we having a nice Sunday Night?

743 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:54:24pm

Uh oh, PETA isn't going to like this...

Obama Under Fire for Backing Deal to Lift Global Ban on Commercial Whaling

Environmentalists, already peeved with the administration’s handling of the Gulf oil spill, are accusing President Obama of breaking his campaign pledge to end the slaughter of whales.

The Obama administration is leading an effort within the International Whaling Commission to lift a 24-year international ban on commercial whaling for Japan, Norway and Iceland, the remaining three countries in the 88-member commission that still hunt whales.

The administration argues that the new deal will save thousands of whales over the next decade by stopping the three countries from illegally exploiting loopholes in the moratorium.

But environmentalists aren't buying it.

"That moratorium on commercial whaling was the greatest conservation victory of the 20th century. And in 2010 to be waving the white flag or bowing to the stubbornness of the last three countries engaged in the practice is a mind-numbingly dumb idea," Patrick Ramage, the whaling director at the International Fund for Animal Welfare, told FoxNews.com.

If I'm not mistaken, the Hubble Telescope is running on whale oil.

744 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:54:33pm

re: #732 albusteve

okay, give the fucking commies their fucking memorial...couldn't fucking do it without them...stick a fucking brick head of Stalin in the fucking dirt over there...hey Joe? where you goin with that gun in your fucking hand?

Try not to get too excited. I promise I'll come visit you in person and we can have it out in the back yard.

745 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:54:37pm

re: #737 american_peanuts

Excuse me for this but -
BIAAATCH ! You deserves this.

Yes, she does. She showed herself to be a vile bigot, and she is paying a just price for it.

746 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:55:24pm

re: #738 Dark_Falcon

Check yours, I sent the reply an hour ago.

747 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:55:25pm

re: #741 swamprat

I would go with what the vets want. And I mean the vets who were there.
Their wishes are what count.

exactly...and the people that suppose otherwise are wrong...the moroni are on the loose

748 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:55:44pm

re: #730 cliffster

I suggest that you are trying to use an equivalence to China to suggest that what we are doing here in the US is just hunky dory. It's not. We're fucking shit up left and right here, and it's going to bury us. Keep on with your incoherent hyperbole though... that will get us exactly where we deserve to be.

I was referring to the video of Mr Wynn's interview that Racer posted at #643. Mr Wynn described Macau as "steady and stable." It is static and repressed.

749 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:56:47pm

Speaking of fatheads and their wives, Rush Limbaugh got married again this weekend.

Serial monogamy. What is this, matrimonial sex-toy number seven?

(He's 59, she's 33. I'd like to see the pre-nup.)

750 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:57:14pm

re: #744 Cato the Elder

Try not to get too excited. I promise I'll come visit you in person and we can have it out in the back yard.

bring a first aid kit...you fucking nut
but the beer is cold and the tacos aplenty

751 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:57:19pm

re: #739 Stanley Sea

I read about his great dinner party. Barbara Walters was one of the guests, there were more important ones I'm sure, I just forget. But Steve was showing them the Picasso he was selling for upteen millions, and he put his elbow through it. Sale was called off, he had to "repair" it.

That's a true story. But I'm talking about the New Years Eve party. It is a big event for high rollers. Many of which are Chinese. They are the reason he's in Macao.

752 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:57:22pm

re: #615 The Shadow Do

Not at all. I am entirely on board with the take/hold/build strategy. The part some folks seem to want to take issue with is the take part. You know, where it gets pretty ugly and such like.

I understand the ugly part. What I am trying to say is the war in Iraq is different than previous wars because the US coalition is in the middle of the culture this person was vilifying. In a case like that, and I will admit I am no expert, warriors that can separate the bad guys from the good guys, even though they have basically the same dress, habits, religion, language, and so on, is a better soldier. I would rather have a stone cold logical thinker than someone fuelled by a bigoted head space as a soldier.

753 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:57:38pm

re: #749 Cato the Elder

Speaking of fatheads and their wives, Rush Limbaugh got married again this weekend.

Serial monogamy. What is this, matrimonial sex-toy number seven?

(He's 59, she's 33. I'd like to see the pre-nup.)

She is also a direct descendent of John Adams. Perhaps a cousin of our Ace?

754 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:58:26pm

re: #743 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh, PETA isn't going to like this...

Obama Under Fire for Backing Deal to Lift Global Ban on Commercial Whaling

If I'm not mistaken, the Hubble Telescope is running on whale oil.

The greens will hate him for this (and I don't like it either). The good points are it might gain us some goodwill in Japan. It would also cut out much of Paul Watson claimed legal justification for attacking Japanese whales. Australia may also not like it, since they just filed suit to stop Japan's whaling near Antarctica.

755 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:59:04pm

re: #691 Floral Giraffe

So, what's the best way for Lizards to help make this go viral?
Post it all over the place?

Another thing you can do is use the "Share" button to post it at as many sites as possible.

756 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:59:28pm

re: #754 Dark_Falcon

The greens will hate him for this (and I don't like it either). The good points are it might gain us some goodwill in Japan. It would also cut out much of Paul Watson claimed legal justification for attacking Japanese whales. Australia may also not like it, since they just filed suit to stop Japan's whaling near Antarctica.

But what about the whales? I really don't want to have to rely on The Enterprise coming back in time to save us. . .

757 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 8:59:36pm

re: #752 b_sharp

I understand the ugly part. What I am trying to say is the war in Iraq is different than previous wars because the US coalition is in the middle of the culture this person was vilifying. In a case like that, and I will admit I am no expert, warriors that can separate the bad guys from the good guys, even though they have basically the same dress, habits, religion, language, and so on, is a better soldier. I would rather have a stone cold logical thinker than someone fuelled by a bigoted head space as a soldier.

so would any NCO, but you fight the men you have and live with it

758 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:00:28pm

re: #754 Dark_Falcon

The greens will hate him for this (and I don't like it either). The good points are it might gain us some goodwill in Japan. It would also cut out much of Paul Watson claimed legal justification for attacking Japanese whales. Australia may also not like it, since they just filed suit to stop Japan's whaling near Antarctica.

who needs whales anyways? Really, they just raise ocean levels. We're better off without them.

759 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:00:31pm

Hey everyone...Napa was lovely. Good food, better wine, best company. I see things haven't changed much here, but that's okay, I have your philosophical image of the day.

760 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:00:45pm

re: #746 Reginald Perrin

Check yours, I sent the reply an hour ago.

Got it, thanks. Reply will follow tonight.

761 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:01:02pm

The Reuters things does have to go viral, because they keep doing the Same Shit and getting away with it.

762 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:01:46pm

re: #749 Cato the Elder

Speaking of fatheads and their wives, Rush Limbaugh got married again this weekend.

Serial monogamy. What is this, matrimonial sex-toy number seven?

(He's 59, she's 33. I'd like to see the pre-nup.)

Good for him getting a little hottie like that.

Elton John sang at the wedding. His price...$1 million.

763 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:01:51pm

re: #759 darthstar

Missed your input Darth.

764 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:02:29pm

re: #761 ggt

The Reuters things does have to go viral, because they keep doing the Same Shit and getting away with it.

and Charles deserves the credit...and KT

765 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:02:54pm

re: #763 Stanley Sea

Missed your input Darth.

Thanks...I think the image pretty much says everything all the same.

766 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:03:15pm

re: #756 ggt

But what about the whales? I really don't want to have to rely on The Enterprise coming back in time to save us. . .

Star Trek IV, good reference. I oppose this decision by Obama. I don't think commercial whaling should be allowed, and I think "research whaling" should be massively scaled back.

767 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:03:16pm

Just got a response to my retweet, from someone at #flotilla:

@ReineDeTout There was no knife, no axe, no gun on the #flotilla video : [Link: bit.ly...]

No knife, no axe, no gun.
Riiiiiiight.


And then a former lizard, who has shown up at various places with really vile stuff, counted the number of retweets I've done of LGF posts, and sent me something under the heading: Master Slave Relationship.
LOL. Idiot.

768 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:03:29pm

re: #630 albusteve

no I missed it, but I want to see the DVD...I heard it was not so good...did you see it?

My wife watched it while I read LGF, but being in the same room, I could absorb a fair bit. The depiction of the stress and horror those men had to endure was disturbing and riveting at the same time. Even if the series wasn't super good, it should be shown in schools.

I would like to see another one made that was less US centric though, to show how the different countries co-operated.

769 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:03:57pm

re: #749 Cato the Elder

Speaking of fatheads and their wives, Rush Limbaugh got married again this weekend.

Serial monogamy. What is this, matrimonial sex-toy number seven?

(He's 59, she's 33. I'd like to see the pre-nup.)

4th wife. That's how much he likes traditional marriage.

770 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:04:01pm

re: #762 NJDhockeyfan

Elton John will play for anyone who pays - it goes to the Elton John Aids Foundation.

771 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:04:26pm

re: #765 darthstar

yeah

772 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:04:26pm

re: #754 Dark_Falcon

It's not like the greens have enough reasons to hate Obama.
He did make sure that the biggest eco-disaster which is not human error but greed error, is treated and taken care of as soon as possible.
It's not like he waited a month for oil covered birds to show up before he reacted.

Obama is a champion of the environment, too.
YES WE CAN !

773 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:04:46pm

re: #767 reine.de.tout

Just got a response to my retweet, from someone at #flotilla:

@ReineDeTout There was no knife, no axe, no gun on the #flotilla video : [Link: bit.ly...]

No knife, no axe, no gun.
Riiight.

And then a former lizard, who has shown up at various places with really vile stuff, counted the number of retweets I've done of LGF posts, and sent me something under the heading: Master Slave Relationship.
LOL. Idiot.

I could be a Master Slave to the right woman. Just sayin'.
/

774 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:04:52pm

re: #768 b_sharp

My wife watched it while I read LGF, but being in the same room, I could absorb a fair bit. The depiction of the stress and horror those men had to endure was disturbing and riveting at the same time. Even if the series wasn't super good, it should be shown in schools.

I would like to see another one made that was less US centric though, to show how the different countries co-operated.

thanks, I'll take your word for it

775 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:05:15pm

re: #636 Cato the Elder

People might better ask why there's a bust of De Gaulle at the D-Day memorial (if there is one) than why there's one of Stalin.

The French contribution to the demise of the Nazis was minimal compared to that of the Russians.

By the end of the war they had upwards of 1.2 million soldiers in the war. That isn't insignificant.

776 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:05:37pm

re: #769 Nimed

4th wife. That's how much he likes traditional marriage.

it's his business, not yours

777 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:06:09pm

re: #769 Nimed

4th wife. That's how much he likes traditional marriage.

I may have been wrong about the date - it seems the deed will be done July 4.

Here's the happy couple.

Can you say "boob job"? And no, I'm not talking about her tits.

778 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:06:15pm

re: #760 Dark_Falcon

Got it, thanks. Reply will follow tonight.

Reply sent.

779 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:06:24pm

re: #715 eclectic infidel

Papa Beard should read "Beard Papa"

They make cream puffs:

[Link: beardpapasf.com...]

780 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:06:46pm

re: #777 Cato the Elder

I may have been wrong about the date - it seems the deed will be done July 4.

Here's the happy couple.

Can you say "boob job"? And no, I'm not talking about her tits.

you are jealous

781 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:06:55pm

re: #776 albusteve

it's his business, not yours

Since I'm on husband #3, I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut.

782 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:07:18pm

re: #776 albusteve

it's his business, not yours

He rails about same sex marriage destroying our society.

That makes his 4th fucking marriage my business.

783 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:07:20pm

re: #775 b_sharp

The French made a huge contribution in WW1 & the two wars are in many ways the same war with a 20 year truce.

Good Night All

784 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:07:23pm

Andrew Bolt

785 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:07:36pm

re: #769 Nimed

4th wife. That's how much he likes traditional marriage.

What did Zsa Zsa say? "Marriage is wonderful, keep trying it until you get it right?"

786 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:07:55pm

re: #781 reine.de.tout

Since I'm on husband #3, I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut.

I've been married three times...no woman can tame me, I'm a beast

787 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:00pm

re: #779 eclectic infidel

Papa Beard should read "Beard Papa"

They make cream puffs:

[Link: beardpapasf.com...]

They are not just cream puffs. They are little dollops of heavenly clouds.
Beard Papa rocks.

788 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:17pm

re: #767 reine.de.tout

Haven't you figured it out already ?
If they say there was no bad intention, there was no bad intention and that's it ! Stop confusing the world with your BS photos and facts and paperwork and all that mambo-jumbo.

In fact, and I'm saying so it's a fact, there were no MEN on the flotilla, there were only female wearing white dresses planing to perform in front of the poor Gazans. FACT.

789 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:29pm

re: #777 Cato the Elder

I may have been wrong about the date - it seems the deed will be done July 4.

Here's the happy couple.

Can you say "boob job"? And no, I'm not talking about her tits.

Part of the guest list:

Amid dozens of giant bouquets of white roses (and very tight security), reports the Palm Beach Post, guests at the wedding included former Bush adviser Karl Rove; actor-politician Fred Thompson; former Kansas City Royals slugger George Brett; Fox News commentator Sean Hannity; former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani; New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft; former Clinton adviser James Carville and his wife, GOP analyst Mary Matalin; and golfer Tom Watson. A wedding guest also tells PEOPLE that among the others was Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

790 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:32pm

re: #752 b_sharp

... I would rather have a stone cold logical thinker than someone fuelled by a bigoted head space as a soldier.

What you get is who enlists, mostly young men. The important thing is what they do on duty. What did this soldier say that has you in such a frazzle?

791 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:41pm

re: #780 albusteve

you are jealous

Actually, no. I generally don't pay for sex.

792 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:45pm

re: #775 b_sharp

By the end of the war they had upwards of 1.2 million soldiers in the war. That isn't insignificant.

True, but we'd equipped almost all of them. Still, under De Gaulle the French fought well. But, as I've said before, their tankers fought best under Patton.

793 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:47pm

re: #782 Stanley Sea

He rails about same sex marriage destroying our society.

That makes his 4th fucking marriage my business.

not really - still his business and not yours. It's a free country though - bitch about his personal life all you like...

794 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:48pm

re: #665 albusteve

your argument is excellent, but it really is an isolated case, and none of us were there...I don't disclaim your details but I think it is a minor thing that got onto the wires, when it really shouldn't have...even if the guy is a real fiend it would not really affect the big picture

Journalists jump on anything and everything.

I really do not like the vast majority of news sources.

795 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:08:55pm

re: #776 albusteve

it's his business, not yours

I agree personal life is not anybody's business... EXCEPT when used to show blatant hypocrisy by a public figure.

796 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:09:22pm

re: #782 Stanley Sea

He rails about same sex marriage destroying our society.

That makes his 4th fucking marriage my business.

really?...you media junkie you...personally I could car less what TV people do with their lives...give it up, it's not important

797 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:09:28pm

re: #788 american_peanuts

Haven't you figured it out already ?
If they say there was no bad intention, there was no bad intention and that's it ! Stop confusing the world with your BS photos and facts and paperwork and all that mambo-jumbo.

In fact, and I'm saying so it's a fact, there were no MEN on the flotilla, there were only female wearing white dresses planing to perform in front of the poor Gazans. FACT.

Whew.
For a minute there I thought you were mad at me.

798 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:10:07pm

re: #781 reine.de.tout

Since I'm on husband #3, I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut.

I surely hope Nimed doesn't pick on you for it.

799 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:10:29pm

G'nighty.

800 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:10:45pm

re: #781 reine.de.tout

Since I'm on husband #3, I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut.

If you're happy now that's all that matters.

801 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:10:51pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

Who's more fun to agitate? Leftties or righties?
Quien es mas macho?

[Video]

Martians.

802 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:11:24pm

re: #777 Cato the Elder

I may have been wrong about the date - it seems the deed will be done July 4.

Here's the happy couple.

Can you say "boob job"? And no, I'm not talking about her tits.


she looks really buzzed in that photo.

803 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:11:25pm

re: #782 Stanley Sea

He rails about same sex marriage destroying our society.

That makes his 4th fucking marriage my business.

No it doesn't. If his personal life is affecting yours, you need some professional help.

804 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:11:45pm

re: #800 darthstar

If you're happy now that's all that matters.

I've been married to this one longer than the other two put together.
So it seems I'm quite happy, finally!

805 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:11:48pm

re: #796 albusteve

really?...you media junkie you...personally I could car less what TV people do with their lives...give it up, it's not important


Yeah, no big deal. Unless you are a gay person wanting to file a 1040 with the person you live with. No big deal. Give it up, it's not important.

806 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:11:52pm

re: #789 NJDhockeyfan

Why the hell would anyone want to be at Limbaugh's wedding?

807 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:12:18pm

re: #806 darthstar

Why the hell would anyone want to be at Limbaugh's wedding?

The smorgasbord!

808 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:12:31pm

re: #798 NJDhockeyfan

I surely hope Nimed doesn't pick on you for it.

If you want to ignore the part about his defense of traditional marriage and his statue as a public figure, be my guest.

809 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:12:31pm

re: #794 b_sharp

Journalists jump on anything and everything.

I really do not like the vast majority of news sources.

next to the feds, I hate the MSM most....all of them, even the good ones...I'm not interested in their opinions

810 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:12:35pm

And the free drinks!

811 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:12:43pm

re: #806 darthstar

Why the hell would anyone want to be at Limbaugh's wedding?

he probably puts on a good party.

812 Racer X  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:12:58pm

re: #806 darthstar

Why the hell would anyone want to be at Limbaugh's wedding?

Free food?

813 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:13:43pm

re: #803 NJDhockeyfan

Sorry, he made his marrages my biz when he opened his mouth on the topic in public. He doesn't like it, he can STFU. Down ding.

William

814 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:13:44pm

re: #795 Nimed

I agree personal life is not anybody's business... EXCEPT when used to show blatant hypocrisy by a public figure.

big whoop...don't get a hernia sucking off the MSM

815 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:13:49pm

re: #806 darthstar

Why the hell would anyone want to be at Limbaugh's wedding?

ask james carville ....

816 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:13:50pm

re: #757 albusteve

so would any NCO, but you fight the men you have and live with it

Viet vet explained to me that after he was forced to shoot a child who turned out to be a bomb delivery system, and after he found the fellow soldier (that had been screaming all night) dead, skinned alive, and mutilated,... why he, as a 17 year old kid, had no trouble at all dehumanizing the enemy and killing them quite happily. He did not use those words, and he said more, and I think he mourns the loss of his sanity.

Make no mistake, war is a nasty, nasty, business.

817 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #787 prairiefire

They are not just cream puffs. They are little dollops of heavenly clouds.
Beard Papa rocks.

The first Beard Papa cream puff I tasted had the green tea filling. I was beside myself with delight at the taste. Today I tried the vanilla bean for the first time. My goodness, a slice of heaven indeed.

818 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:14:01pm

re: #698 NJDhockeyfan

I'm all over that. I agree. That isn't the issue.

I saw that later. I'm falling behind.

819 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:14:07pm

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

ask james carville ...

His wife made him go.

820 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:14:15pm

re: #806 darthstar

Why the hell would anyone want to be at Limbaugh's wedding?

The food!

821 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:14:18pm

re: #802 _RememberTonyC

she looks really buzzed in that photo.

She just has her eyes half closed in that one shot. She looks normal in other shots. I like the story of when she heard about his last heart scare, she pushed the manicure cart out of her way and rushed to his side.

822 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:14:39pm

re: #699 albusteve

Cato doesn't know what the fuck he's blabbing about...the issue is a D-Day Memorial...it's not meant to be nuanced to the sixth ring

I'm going to bow out of this, I just don't know enoug

823 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:14:43pm

re: #806 darthstar

Why the hell would anyone want to be at Limbaugh's wedding?

Good place to network if you're a conservative.

824 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:14:44pm

Hola honcos, just passin thru (need to get to sleep soon.)

Great weekend. Two really good festival gigs and I got my bike tuned up and some essential parts replaced. Recent birthday money gifts helped with that and I'm ready to start riding hard again soon.

I don't know if there's been any discussion here about Helen Thomas' remarks about Israel and where the Jews should go, but I think that if she looked like Salma Hayek she would still be an incredibly ugly person.

825 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:15:33pm

re: #804 reine.de.tout

I've been married to this one longer than the other two put together.
So it seems I'm quite happy, finally!

good for you...you have my sincere best wishes...life is wicked crazy

826 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:15:36pm

re: #808 Nimed

If you want to ignore the part about his defense of traditional marriage and his statue as a public figure, be my guest.

I surely will. I hope his 4th is successful and they have a long wonderful marriage. I wish that for all marriages.

827 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:15:50pm

re: #823 Dark_Falcon

Good place to network if you're a conservative.

Good point...when the de facto leader of the GOP has a party, you kind of have to go.

828 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:16:01pm

re: #805 Stanley Sea

Yeah, no big deal. Unless you are a gay person wanting to file a 1040 with the person you live with. No big deal. Give it up, it's not important.

post away

829 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:16:07pm

re: #825 albusteve

True dat.

830 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:16:13pm

re: #826 NJDhockeyfan

I surely will. I hope his 4th is successful and they have a long wonderful marriage. I wish that for all marriages.

I hope she insists that she be on top.

831 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:16:22pm

re: #814 albusteve

big whoop...don't get a hernia sucking off the MSM

You can go do some sucking of your own.

832 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:16:35pm

re: #816 swamprat

Viet vet explained to me that after he was forced to shoot a child who turned out to be a bomb delivery system, and after he found the fellow soldier (that had been screaming all night) dead, skinned alive, and mutilated,... why he, as a 17 year old kid, had no trouble at all dehumanizing the enemy and killing them quite happily. He did not use those words, and he said more, and I think he mourns the loss of his sanity.

Make no mistake, war is a nasty, nasty, business.

"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." -General William Tecumseh Sherman

833 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:16:37pm

re: #819 darthstar

His wife made him go.


so you answered your own question :)

834 american_peanuts  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:16:55pm

Good night. Signing off.

835 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:17:30pm

re: #833 _RememberTonyC

so you answered your own question :)

Still doesn't explain why she wanted to go.

836 cliffster  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:18:10pm

either way, you jokers have a good evening. peace and purpose to all.

837 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:18:25pm

re: #830 darthstar

I hope she insists that she be on top.

Well, him on top would be painful. But since his credibility has gone to the dogs, there's always doggie style.

838 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:18:29pm

re: #835 darthstar

Still doesn't explain why she wanted to go.

To check out the other women's shoes.

839 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:18:34pm

re: #795 Nimed

I agree personal life is not anybody's business... EXCEPT when used to show blatant hypocrisy by a public figure.

Such as, oh, I don't know, Rush using the Gore breakup to score stupid points about Global Warming?

Here's the funniest quote I found so far on the wedding:

The the conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh is scheduled to get married tonight with his gorgeous fiancé Kathryn, in a $1 million wedding celebration in Florida.

Why is that funny? Because a fiancé is male.

Rush. Oh, Rush. I fear you may be in for a surprise this night.

840 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:18:36pm

re: #706 Dark_Falcon

You are in error. The original liberation of Iraq was in 2003. Fallujah was fought over in 2004.

Was it Saddam supporters, or Al Qaeda?

841 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:18:41pm

re: #836 cliffster

either way, you jokers have a good evening. peace and purpose to all.

Good night, cliffster.

842 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:18:56pm

re: #835 darthstar

Still doesn't explain why she wanted to go.

partying in palm beach is reason enough ...

843 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:19:27pm

re: #827 darthstar

Good point...when the de facto leader of the GOP has a party, you kind of have to go.

who are you talking about?...everybody that attended?

844 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:19:38pm

re: #710 Dark_Falcon

No, they were killed in the Summer of 2003.

Thanks for the info D_F.

845 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:20:30pm

re: #843 albusteve

who are you talking about?...everybody that attended?

When the leader wants to steep his sack, everyone has to have a taste, I guess.

846 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:20:59pm

re: #824 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hola honcos, just passin thru (need to get to sleep soon.)

Great weekend. Two really good festival gigs and I got my bike tuned up and some essential parts replaced. Recent birthday money gifts helped with that and I'm ready to start riding hard again soon.

I don't know if there's been any discussion here about Helen Thomas' remarks about Israel and where the Jews should go, but I think that if she looked like Salma Hayek she would still be an incredibly ugly person.

She got dumped today by both her speaking agency and the guy who was collaborating with her on her latest book projects.

Very, very publicly.

847 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:21:00pm

re: #839 Cato the Elder

Why is that funny? Because a fiancé is male.

Rush. Oh, Rush. I fear you may be in for a surprise this night.

ahahaha!...I'd pay to be there...chicks with dicks!

848 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:21:36pm

re: #840 b_sharp

Was it Saddam supporters, or Al Qaeda?

The Fallujah terrorists were mostly Islamists, more in line with Al Qaeda than the Hussein dynasty.

849 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:21:39pm

re: #845 darthstar

When the leader wants to steep his sack, everyone has to have a taste, I guess.

I think you exaggerate because you can

850 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:22:18pm

re: #849 albusteve

I think you exaggerate because you can

And you dismiss because the truth leaves a bad taste in your mouth...I'd do the same in your shoes.

851 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:23:46pm

re: #846 Cato the Elder

She got dumped today by both her speaking agency and the guy who was collaborating with her on her latest book projects.

Very, very publicly.

And there was more at NRO:

Former Clinton attorney and White House spokesman Lanny Davis issued the following statement on White House correspondent Helen Thomas's incindiary remarks contra Israel. The statement is lightly edited for clarity:

Helen Thomas, who I used to consider a close friend and who I used to respect, has showed herself to be an anti-Semitic bigot. This is not about her criticisms of Israel. She has a right to criticize Israel and that is not the same as being an anti-Semite.

However, her statement that Jews in Israel should leave Israel and go back to Poland or Germany is an ancient and well-known anti-Semitic stereotype of the Alien Jew not belonging in the "land of Israel" — one that began 2,600 years with the first tragic and violent diaspora of the Jews at the hands of the Romans.

If she had asked all blacks to go back to Africa, what would the White House Correspondents Association position be as to whether she deserved White House press room credentials — much less a privileged honorary seat?

Does anyone doubt that my friends Ann Compton, head of the WHCA, and Joe Lockhart, who believe in the First Amendment right of free expression as much as I do, would be as tolerant and protective of Helen's privileges and honors in the White House press room as they appear to be if she had been asking Blacks to return to Africa? Or Native Americans to Asia and South America, from which they came 8,000 or more years ago? I doubt it.

Of course Helen has the right as a private citizen under the First Amendment to speak her mind, even as an anti-Jewish bigot — but not as a member, much less privileged member with a reserved seat, in the White House Press Corps.

852 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:24:07pm

re: #848 Dark_Falcon

The Fallujah terrorists were mostly Islamists, more in line with Al Qaeda than the Hussein dynasty.

The Fallujah insurgents were Sunnis, if I recall...loyal to Saddam's regime. It was a major fuckup on the part of the "contractors" getting off course and driving through town, but that doesn't excuse the ensuing bloodbath. It was a tragedy, period.

853 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:24:44pm

re: #826 NJDhockeyfan

I surely will. I hope his 4th is successful and they have a long wonderful marriage. I wish that for all marriages.

Spare me your piety. I don't actively wish Limbaugh ill, but I can't say I give a fuck about the fate of his marriage. Which public figure we wish well or not is beside the point. The man is an hypocrite. I'm in favor of the legalization of prostitution. However, I didn't feel sorry for Spitzer. He had it coming because he was an hypocrite.

This is not that a hard concept, but you keep discussing some other point like you often do.

854 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:25:21pm

re: #850 darthstar

And you dismiss because the truth leaves a bad taste in your mouth...I'd do the same in your shoes.

think whatever you want about some talking heads wedding...but the gist of scorn can hardly be political unless a partisan hack tries to make that way...soldier on tho

855 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:25:28pm

re: #851 reine.de.tout

That's gonna leave a mark.

856 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:26:16pm

re: #850 darthstar

And you dismiss because the truth leaves a bad taste in your mouth...I'd do the same in your shoes.

and you presume to know 'the Truth' ?
hahaha!

857 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:26:35pm

re: #851 reine.de.tout

There is the distinct possibility that she has reached senility.

Either she is vile, or senile. Either way she needs to retire.

858 Querent  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:27:01pm

"All the news that fits, we print... oops, that little bit there with the sharp nasty bloody pointy thing doesn't fit" (our agenda)

(sigh)

859 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:27:26pm

re: #853 Nimed

Spare me your piety. I don't actively wish Limbaugh ill, but I can't say I give a fuck about the fate of his marriage. Which public figure we wish well or not is beside the point. The man is an hypocrite. I'm in favor of the legalization of prostitution. However, I didn't feel sorry for Spitzer. He had it coming because he was an hypocrite.

This is not that a hard concept, but you keep discussing some other point like you often do.

Serial monogamy, in the case of an old fat fuck like Limbaugh, is just a very expensive, hypocritical form of sex for money.

860 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:27:36pm

re: #852 darthstar

The Fallujah insurgents were Sunnis, if I recall...loyal to Saddam's regime. It was a major fuckup on the part of the "contractors" getting off course and driving through town, but that doesn't excuse the ensuing bloodbath. It was a tragedy, period.

I recall differently, but we could both be right. At that point the two Sunni factions were working together, a situation that continued until 2007 when Al Qaeda's brutal excesses, coupled with desire to earn a say in the government, caused the ex-Baathists to turn on Al Qaeda in the Anbar Awakening.

861 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:27:47pm

re: #856 albusteve

and you presume to know 'the Truth' ?
hahaha!

The truth is whatever you want it to be. The last week of news should have shown you that by now.

862 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:27:50pm

re: #855 Cato the Elder

That's gonna leave a mark.

I hope so

863 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:27:59pm

Tweet from IsraeliSoldier:


RT @IDFSpokesperson Hamas is still refusing to accept #flotilla aid. About 30 unloaded trucks waiting to enter Gaza.

re: #857 EmmmieG

There is the distinct possibility that she has reached senility.

Either she is vile, or senile. Either way she needs to retire.

Combination, I think.
And yes, she needs to retire from public view.

864 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:28:14pm

re: #859 Cato the Elder

Serial monogamy, in the case of an old fat fuck like Limbaugh, is just a very expensive, hypocritical form of sex for money.

Yes.

And the defenders are amazing.

865 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:28:29pm

re: #861 darthstar

The truth is whatever you want it to be. The last week of news should have shown you that by now.

what's that got to do with Limbaugh?
nothing

866 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:29:04pm

re: #864 Stanley Sea

Yes.

And the defenders are amazing.

You'd think mental gymnastics were an olympic sport.

867 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:29:09pm

re: #859 Cato the Elder

Serial monogamy, in the case of an old fat fuck like Limbaugh, is just a very expensive, hypocritical form of sex for money.

I actually agree with this.
pffft.

868 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:29:23pm

re: #860 Dark_Falcon

I recall differently, but we could both be right. At that point the two Sunni factions were working together, a situation that continued until 2007 when Al Qaeda's brutal excesses, coupled with desire to earn a say in the government, caused the ex-Baathists to turn on Al Qaeda in the Anbar Awakening.

Anbar Awakening was three years later, yes. In 2004 there was basically a sectarian civil war in Iraq with Americans stuck in the middle...that continued through 2006.

869 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:29:48pm

re: #865 albusteve

what's that got to do with Limbaugh?
nothing

Everything, if you're one of those people stupid enough to listen to him on a regular basis.

870 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:29:50pm

re: #864 Stanley Sea

Yes.

And the defenders are amazing.

you have a problem with multiple marriages?...spit it out

871 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:30:19pm

re: #782 Stanley Sea

He rails about same sex marriage destroying our society.

That makes his 4th fucking marriage my business.

Rush is a dope. He doesn't know what he's talking about with respect to the aforementioned issue.

He is also a public figure with a big mouth. His business is de facto ours, especially if he rails for "traditional marriage," while he's working on wife #4.

872 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:30:25pm

I need to get to bed. And I would like to say to Helen Thomas, See You Next Tuesday.

873 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:30:34pm

re: #790 Bagua

What you get is who enlists, mostly young men. The important thing is what they do on duty. What did this soldier say that has you in such a frazzle?

I'm not really in a frazzle, just having a somewhat interesting debate.

874 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:30:56pm

re: #832 Dark_Falcon

"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." -General William Tecumseh Sherman

Here is the entire quote. It's worth reading.

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty and you cannot refine it, and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority wherever it once had power. If it relaxes one bit to pressure it is gone, and I know that such is the national feeling. This feeling assumes various shapes, but always comes back to that of Union. Once admit the Union, once more acknowledge the authority of the National Government, and instead of devoting your houses and streets and roads to the dread uses of war, and this army become at once your protectors and supporters, shielding you from danger, let it come from what quarter it may. I know that a few individuals cannot resist a torrent of error and passion such as swept the South into rebellion, but you can part out so that we may know those who desire a government and those who insist on war and its desolation. You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home is to stop the war, which can alone be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.

875 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:30:59pm

re: #866 JasonA

You'd think mental gymnastics were an olympic sport.

Multiple young wives ok!

I love the person I'm with (17 years) NO NO, because they are same sex.

BULLSHIT. Totally hypocritical and false.

Gah.

876 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:31:07pm

re: #853 Nimed

Spare me your piety. I don't actively wish Limbaugh ill, but I can't say I give a fuck about the fate of his marriage.

They why have you been crying about it for a half hour?

877 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:31:26pm

re: #867 reine.de.tout

I actually agree with this.
pffft.

I do too, but it's his woman, his money and non of Cato's business...some people need to fuss about everything like an old lady

878 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:31:54pm

re: #863 reine.de.tout


RT @IDFSpokesperson Hamas is still refusing to accept #flotilla aid. About 30 unloaded trucks waiting to enter Gaza.

Do you think that hamas is trying to distance itself from the flotilla?
This is interesting.

879 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:31:58pm

re: #859 Cato the Elder

Serial monogamy, in the case of an old fat fuck like Limbaugh, is just a very expensive, hypocritical form of sex for money.

Why did you have to say that? I guess you have to "pick on reine" now.

880 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:32:12pm

re: #859 Cato the Elder

Serial monogamy, in the case of an old fat fuck like Limbaugh, is just a very expensive, hypocritical form of sex for money.

This wedding likely isn't about sex. When Limbaugh wants that, he'll fly to the Dominican Republic and pay for it with whatever young victim he can buy. The man is a walking disease. Whoever this Liberty University grad is that was dumb enough to marry him, I hope she had some lawyers who wrote in a few lines to the pre-nup that mean she'll be financially secure when she's done living with the fucking bastard.

881 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:32:25pm

re: #871 eclectic infidel

Rush is a dope. He doesn't know what he's talking about with respect to the aforementioned issue.

He is also a public figure with a big mouth. His business is de facto ours, especially if he rails for "traditional marriage," while he's working on wife #4.

Brain bleach!

882 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:32:30pm

re: #806 darthstar

Why the hell would anyone want to be at Limbaugh's wedding?

Free food.

883 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:32:34pm

re: #875 Stanley Sea

Multiple young wives ok!

I love the person I'm with (17 years) NO NO, because they are same sex.

BULLSHIT. Totally hypocritical and false.

Gah.

Forget about the gays, I think we need to redefine marriage for straight people. Civil Unions for the win.

884 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:32:53pm

re: #873 b_sharp

I'm not really in a frazzle, just having a somewhat interesting debate.

I scanned but didn't see your original post so I'm wondering what you are on about. But carry on, never mind me.

885 freetoken  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:33:14pm

If Heather has two mommies, will she be better off?

Study: Children of Lesbians May Do Better Than Their Peers

886 tradewind  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:33:40pm

re: #851 reine.de.tout

I saw a comment on Politico that expressed something I hadn't thought of that makes her remarks even more heinous, if that is possible...
she didn't say that Jews should go back to various arab countries or the former Soviet Union, which is where most Israelis originated. She said ' Poland and Germany '...... where the death camps were.
Ugh.

887 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:33:44pm

re: #869 darthstar

Everything, if you're one of those people stupid enough to listen to him on a regular basis.

so if you listen to Limbaugh his marriages are therefore your business?....bwahahaha! you are way deep in bro

888 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:33:54pm

re: #852 darthstar

The Fallujah insurgents were Sunnis, if I recall...loyal to Saddam's regime. It was a major fuckup on the part of the "contractors" getting off course and driving through town, but that doesn't excuse the ensuing bloodbath. It was a tragedy, period.

The major fuck up was Paul Bremer's decision to disband the Iraqi army, sending hundreds of thousands of men home who were armed, trained, pissed off and still needing to put food on the table. Bremer helped to create an ideal environment in which to incubate an insurgency.

889 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:33:56pm

re: #874 Alouette

I miss the days when politicians and generals could write coherent sentences like those.

890 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:34:33pm

re: #888 goddamnedfrank

The major fuck up was Paul Bremer's decision to disband the Iraqi army, sending hundreds of thousands of men home who were armed, trained, pissed off and still needing to put food on the table. Bremer helped to create an ideal environment in which to incubate an insurgency.

That was the second major fuckup of the Iraqi invasion and occupation. The invasion was the first.

891 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:34:40pm

re: #880 darthstar

Okay, I had to downding you because this:

This wedding likely isn't about sex. When Limbaugh wants that, he'll fly to the Dominican Republic and pay for it with whatever young victim he can buy.

is pretty close to libel in my book. I can't prove you're wrong, but you can't prove you're right.

892 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:35:48pm

re: #880 darthstar

This wedding likely isn't about sex. When Limbaugh wants that, he'll fly to the Dominican Republic and pay for it with whatever young victim he can buy. The man is a walking disease. Whoever this Liberty University grad is that was dumb enough to marry him, I hope she had some lawyers who wrote in a few lines to the pre-nup that mean she'll be financially secure when she's done living with the fucking bastard.

you and your stupid, herd like nontroversy...Rush is getting married again!...you sound like some teenager

893 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:36:05pm

re: #876 NJDhockeyfan

They why have you been crying about it for a half hour?

I wrote one comment about Limbaugh's hypocrisy, and the rest explaining the concept to your unctuous, sanctimonious ass.

894 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:36:09pm

I wonder if we will receive another letter from Reuters like the last one?

I look forward to the day when you pigs get your throats cut....

895 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:36:51pm

re: #888 goddamnedfrank

The major fuck up was Paul Bremer's decision to disband the Iraqi army, sending hundreds of thousands of men home who were armed, trained, pissed off and still needing to put food on the table. Bremer helped to create an ideal environment in which to incubate an insurgency.

You sound like you read the book "Fiasco" as I did.

896 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:37:15pm

re: #891 JasonA

Okay, I had to downding you because this:

is pretty close to libel in my book. I can't prove you're wrong, but you can't prove you're right.

Fine...I'll take the downding...Limbaugh is a moldy piece of shit even flies won't frequent. I hope he lives a long prosperous life and that his exit from this world (when it comes) is equally long and painful.

897 Gus  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:37:31pm

BBC uses cropped Reuters photo:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

898 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:37:48pm

re: #893 Nimed

I wrote one comment about Limbaugh's hypocrisy, and the rest explaining the concept to your unctuous, sanctimonious ass.

And you are still whining about it. Why the obsession with a talk show host's wedding? You don't even listen to this guy. LOL!

899 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:37:56pm

re: #891 JasonA

Okay, I had to downding you because this:

[...]

is pretty close to libel in my book. I can't prove you're wrong, but you can't prove you're right.

Fortunately, we are not subject to English libel law in this country.

And scathing speculative satire about public figures is part of our birthright.

900 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:37:57pm

Who cares about Rush's personal life? In fact, who cares about his public life?
Why is this a topic?

901 freetoken  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:39:08pm

re: #893 Nimed

I wrote one comment about Limbaugh's hypocrisy, and the rest explaining the concept to your unctuous, sanctimonious ass.


Ahhh... I see you're enrolled in the Cato's School for Blog Writing, eh?

902 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:39:09pm

re: #896 darthstar

Fine...I'll take the downding...Limbaugh is a moldy piece of shit even flies won't frequent. I hope he lives a long prosperous life and that his exit from this world (when it comes) is equally long and painful.

what makes you so unhappy?...and why could you possibly concern yourself with R Limbaugh?...you are as much the jerk as he is now...happy?

903 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:39:12pm

re: #898 NJDhockeyfan

And you are still whining about it. Why the obsession with a talk show host's wedding? You don't even listen to this guy. LOL!

Because it's easier than talking about Helen Thomas... Obdicut... you still around?

904 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:39:25pm

re: #894 Bagua

I wonder if we will receive another letter from Reuters like the last one?

I remember that. I wouldn't be surprised if someone at Reuters loses control and sends Charles some hate mail.

905 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:39:48pm

re: #896 darthstar

Fine...I'll take the downding...Limbaugh is a moldy piece of shit even flies won't frequent. I hope he lives a long prosperous life and that his exit from this world (when it comes) is equally long and painful.

What a wonderful thing to say . . .

/

why spend so much mental energy on Rush Limbag?

What is it about this guy that get's people so upset? Just ignore him.

906 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:39:59pm

re: #900 swamprat

Who cares about Rush's personal life? In fact, who cares about his public life?
Why is this a topic?

Because he is one of the chief well-poisoning racist blowhards in this land of ours?

FAIR
GAME

907 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:40:04pm

re: #900 swamprat

Who cares about Rush's personal life? In fact, who cares about his public life?
Why is this a topic?

Exactly!

908 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:40:15pm

re: #874 Alouette

Here is the entire quote. It's worth reading.

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty and you cannot refine it, and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority wherever it once had power. If it relaxes one bit to pressure it is gone, and I know that such is the national feeling. This feeling assumes various shapes, but always comes back to that of Union. Once admit the Union, once more acknowledge the authority of the National Government, and instead of devoting your houses and streets and roads to the dread uses of war, and this army become at once your protectors and supporters, shielding you from danger, let it come from what quarter it may. I know that a few individuals cannot resist a torrent of error and passion such as swept the South into rebellion, but you can part out so that we may know those who desire a government and those who insist on war and its desolation. You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home is to stop the war, which can alone be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.

Thank you for that. Updinged and favorited.

909 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:40:32pm

re: #900 swamprat

Who cares about Rush's personal life? In fact, who cares about his public life?
Why is this a topic?

people are getting a hard on...hahaha!
rubes

910 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:40:48pm

re: #903 Walter L. Newton

Because it's easier than talking about Helen Thomas... Obdicut... you still around?

Even mentioning Helen Thomas requires mind bleach.

blech!

911 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:41:11pm

re: #906 Cato the Elder

Go for it.

912 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:41:29pm

re: #906 Cato the Elder

Because he is one of the chief well-poisoning racist blowhards in this land of ours?

FAIR
GAME

WASTE
OF TIME

913 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:41:54pm

re: #899 Cato the Elder

Fortunately, we are not subject to English libel law in this country.

And scathing speculative satire about public figures is part of our birthright.

I wasn't considering writing up a summons or anything, it just seemed under the belt fat that hangs over his belt. No need to throw speculative accusations at the pill-popper.

914 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:42:03pm

re: #898 NJDhockeyfan

And you are still whining about it. Why the obsession with a talk show host's wedding? You don't even listen to this guy. LOL!

Shrug. Your pretense that Limbaugh's personal life was my point is you being deliberately obtuse. The fact that you think such pretense is convincing is you being naturally obtuse.

915 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:42:56pm

re: #906 Cato the Elder

Because he is one of the chief well-poisoning racist blowhards in this land of ours?

FAIR
GAME

There were plenty of idiot talk show hosts on Air America I didn't like but obsess about their personal lives? No, I have enough problems with my own. I could give a rats ass about any celebrities personal life no matter who they are.

916 swamprat  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:43:06pm

Life calls.
Be well.

917 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:44:21pm

re: #906 Cato the Elder

Because he is one of the chief well-poisoning racist blowhards in this land of ours?

FAIR
GAME

Correct... RL is a one-way debate... almost any person on LGF could debate him right into a corner... because he has spent 20 years in a sanitized forum... his, which does not include anyone else's point of view... any one of us could take him down in 10 minutes... he's a blowhard who has made sure that no one has any access to his bullshit...

In short... a worthless bully.

918 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:44:26pm

re: #914 Nimed

Shrug. Your pretense that Limbaugh's personal life was my point is you being deliberately obtuse. The fact that you think such pretense is convincing is you being naturally obtuse.

Okie dokie...

919 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:45:20pm

I'm fading into the ether. G'night Lizards.

920 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:45:35pm

re: #878 swamprat

RT @IDFSpokesperson Hamas is still refusing to accept #flotilla aid. About 30 unloaded trucks waiting to enter Gaza.

Do you think that hamas is trying to distance itself from the flotilla?
This is interesting.

I don't know.
I'm following IDFSpokesperson and IsraeliSoldier on twitter, and this sort of thing is what's coming across.

921 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:46:14pm

re: #914 Nimed

Shrug. Your pretense that Limbaugh's personal life was my point is you being deliberately obtuse. The fact that you think such pretense is convincing is you being naturally obtuse.

Careful. Calling him obtuse will get you a month in solitary.

Youtube Video
922 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:46:31pm

re: #917 Walter L. Newton

Correct... RL is a one-way debate... almost any person on LGF could debate him right into a corner... because he has spent 20 years in a sanitized forum... his, which does not include anyone else's point of view... any one of us could take him down in 10 minutes... he's a blowhard who has made sure that no one has any access to his bullshit...

In short... a worthless bully.

yet people are ruptured because he got married again...they have elevated him until it's THEIR business!...good god what idiots

923 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:46:41pm

I have to admit the weirdest part is Elton John performing.

Ted Nugent wasn't available?

924 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:46:58pm

re: #879 Nimed

Why did you have to say that? I guess you have to "pick on reine" now.

Heh.
Except in my case, I'm poor, and I'm the serial monogamy-er, hubby has been married only once, to ME. And, well, he's not rich either.

And I'm also quite secure, I'm sure I can take whatever "picking" comes my way.

925 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:47:00pm

re: #896 darthstar

Fine...I'll take the downding...Limbaugh is a moldy piece of shit even flies won't frequent. I hope he lives a long prosperous life and that his exit from this world (when it comes) is equally long and painful.

We don't wish a long painful death on our political opponents here. There are other sites for that sort of vitriol.

926 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:48:32pm

re: #917 Walter L. Newton

Correct... RL is a one-way debate... almost any person on LGF could debate him right into a corner... because he has spent 20 years in a sanitized forum... his, which does not include anyone else's point of view... any one of us could take him down in 10 minutes... he's a blowhard who has made sure that no one has any access to his bullshit...

In short... a worthless bully.

He is an entertainer who has found the gig of a life-time. Nothing more.

927 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:48:38pm

Okay...I hear you all...my apologies to Rush for calling him a disease and wishing him a long, slow, painful exit from this world...that was wrong of me, and I'm sorry. Congratulations on finding the right woman for yourself. I'm sure you will have a long and happy life together.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have some bile in my stomach I'd like to expel.

928 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:48:50pm

re: #924 reine.de.tout

Heh.
Except in my case, I'm poor, and I'm the serial monogamy-er, hubby has been married only once, to ME. And, well, he's not rich either.

And I'm also quite secure, I'm sure I can take whatever "picking" comes my way.

got you covered

929 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:49:11pm

re: #925 Bagua

We don't wish a long painful death on our political opponents here. There are other sites for that sort of vitriol.

Agreed. That was over the top.

930 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:50:01pm

Israel kills 4 militants diving off Gaza

An Israeli naval patrol has killed at least four Palestinian militants in diving gear off the Gaza coast, Hamas security officials and the Israeli army say.

"An Israeli naval patrol spotted a boat with four men in diving suits on their way to carry out a terror attack and fired at them ... hitting them," an Israeli army spokesman said.

Hamas security sources confirmed finding four bodies and said a fifth man was missing, presumed dead.

931 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:50:17pm

re: #921 Cato the Elder

Careful. Calling him obtuse will get you a month in solitary.


[Video]

LOL

Aah... the internet. I'll have to watch that movie again soon.

932 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:50:34pm

re: #925 Bagua

We don't wish a long painful death on our political opponents here. There are other sites for that sort of vitriol.

hey man?.....it's the internets, I can say whatever I want dood!....I'm like a breast fed child of the tubes man!

933 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:50:44pm

re: #926 ggt

He is an entertainer who has found the gig of a life-time. Nothing more.

"Entertainers" do not generally act as kingmakers or political arbiters in one party or the other.

Category confusion.

934 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:51:00pm

re: #897 Gus 802

BBC uses cropped Reuters photo:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Surprise, surprise. Al-Beeb.

The images show battered and bloodied Israeli commandos surrounded by activists on the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara, which was heading to Gaza as part of an aid flotilla.

No mention of the knives cropped out of the photo they used of course.

935 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:51:03pm

re: #927 darthstar

Okay...I hear you all...my apologies to Rush for calling him a disease and wishing him a long, slow, painful exit from this world...that was wrong of me, and I'm sorry. Congratulations on finding the right woman for yourself. I'm sure you will have a long and happy life together.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have some bile in my stomach I'd like to expel.

Come on... stick to your guns... don't let these silly conservatives jerk you around like that.

936 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:51:24pm

re: #927 darthstar

Okay...I hear you all...my apologies to Rush for calling him a disease and wishing him a long, slow, painful exit from this world...that was wrong of me, and I'm sorry. Congratulations on finding the right woman for yourself. I'm sure you will have a long and happy life together.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have some bile in my stomach I'd like to expel.

fine...see you when you get a life for yourself

937 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:51:36pm

re: #901 freetoken

Ahhh... I see you're enrolled in the Cato's School for Blog Writing, eh?

No, no, that's not really it.
It's just that we are now into the chest-thumping, alpha-male portion of the evening.

938 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:52:24pm

Hello there. I am a conservative. Well, moderate conservative more likely. And a registered republican. I can not stand Rush Limbaugh. I consider him to be one who occupies an intellectual wasteland. He no more represents me as a conservative republican then Carl Marx does. Fuck him.

But all the bitching about this being his fourth marriage? It smells of RDS. I'll grant, although just barely, that there might be just a sliver of room to work the hypocrisy angle, but who gives a fuck? As long as he does not beat, cheat, talk low of her in public, and so on, he still gets the "traditional marriage" cred to a certain extent.

This stinks too much of the So-Con assholes who made an issue of Giuliani's divorces.

Being married and divorced more than once doesn't make you a hypocrite on the "traditional marriage" front as far as I am concerned. It's what you do while married that does.

Bah! Stick to calling him out on his bullshit racist racist remarks. There's plenty of material there that's far more valid.

939 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:52:25pm

re: #937 reine.de.tout

No, no, that's not really it.
It's just that we are now into the chest-thumping, alpha-male portion of the evening.

Will it be popcorn worthy?

940 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:52:32pm

re: #937 reine.de.tout

No, no, that's not really it.
It's just that we are now into the chest-thumping, alpha-male portion of the evening.

Still waiting for the geek-talk part of the evening...

941 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:53:05pm

re: #928 albusteve

got you covered

:-)
{albusteve}

942 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:53:24pm

re: #927 darthstar

Okay...I hear you all...my apologies to Rush for calling him a disease and wishing him a long, slow, painful exit from this world...that was wrong of me, and I'm sorry. Congratulations on finding the right woman for yourself. I'm sure you will have a long and happy life together.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have some bile in my stomach I'd like to expel.

Well you just vomited on this thread to be sure. I'm no fan of Rush but he is a better man than you judging from your comment and your phony apology.

943 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:54:21pm

re: #934 Bagua

Surprise, surprise. Al-Beeb.

The images show battered and bloodied Israeli commandos surrounded by activists on the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara, which was heading to Gaza as part of an aid flotilla.

No mention of the knives cropped out of the photo they used of course.

Bagua - don't know if you were around earlier.
See this:
re: #767 reine.de.tout

Just got a response to my retweet, from someone at #flotilla:

@ReineDeTout There was no knife, no axe, no gun on the #flotilla video : [Link: bit.ly...]

No knife, no axe, no gun.
Riiight.

And then a former lizard, who has shown up at various places with really vile stuff, counted the number of retweets I've done of LGF posts, and sent me something under the heading: Master Slave Relationship.
LOL. Idiot.

944 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:54:33pm

re: #933 Cato the Elder

"Entertainers" do not generally act as kingmakers or political arbiters in one party or the other.

Category confusion.

that's somebody else's problem...he's only an entertainer when you watch his show....don't watch his fucking show then come here and post how he's so unfair etc...if he's a kingmaker, and you watch his show, then you made him....thanks a lot

945 darthstar  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:55:21pm

BP Irony

946 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:55:21pm

re: #923 EmmmieG

I have to admit the weirdest part is Elton John performing.

Ted Nugent wasn't available?

Elton takes 1 million to his AIDS foundation every time he performs. Fancy wedding here in Rancho Santa Fe paid for it too. No matter to Elton, his AIDS foundation benefits.

He must laugh inside though.

947 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:55:33pm

re: #940 JasonA

Still waiting for the geek-talk part of the evening...

Geez
I'm afraid it's past time for that.
You'll have to check again tomorrow.

948 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:56:07pm

re: #933 Cato the Elder

Agreed. Dean Martin was an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh is a politic pundit. There is a difference.

949 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:56:13pm

re: #927 darthstar

Okay...I hear you all...my apologies to Rush for calling him a disease and wishing him a long, slow, painful exit from this world...that was wrong of me, and I'm sorry. Congratulations on finding the right woman for yourself. I'm sure you will have a long and happy life together.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have some bile in my stomach I'd like to expel.

That's a fake apology and you are vile.

950 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:56:31pm

re: #937 reine.de.tout

No, no, that's not really it.
It's just that we are now into the chest-thumping, alpha-male portion of the evening.

Bow wow!

re: #943 reine.de.tout

Lol, no knife, no axe, no gun? Was that tweet from al-Reuters or al-Beeb?

951 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:56:34pm

re: #945 darthstar

BP Irony

Oh, gawd! The nerve!

I can hardly talk about BP and this situation, I get crazy.

952 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:57:19pm

re: #924 reine.de.tout

Heh.
Except in my case, I'm poor, and I'm the serial monogamy-er, hubby has been married only once, to ME. And, well, he's not rich either.

And I'm also quite secure, I'm sure I can take whatever "picking" comes my way.

:))
I'm sure you can. reine, I hope this goes without saying, but just to be clear, I wish you nothing but happiness. NJD pretending that I and Cato were issuing some sort of Puritanical condemnation of people who remarry was the low point of this thread.

953 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:57:21pm

re: #939 EmmmieG

Will it be popcorn worthy?

Usually is.

954 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:57:28pm

re: #942 Bagua

Well you just vomited on this thread to be sure. I'm no fan of Rush but he is a better man than you judging from your comment and your phony apology.

Sure about that, Bagua? Limbaugh's top ten is probably worse than that.

Just sayin'...

955 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:57:38pm

re: #948 Slumbering Behemoth

Agreed. Dean Martin was an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh is a politic pundit. There is a difference.

He is a stupendous member of the stupunditry.

956 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:57:54pm

re: #949 NJDhockeyfan

That's a fake apology and you are vile.

cuteness doesn't work for some people, you know?

957 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:58:08pm

All Right.

I've been thinking again, always a dangerous activity for me.

I have trouble wrapping my head around the lack of support for Israel, or the amount of support for Hamas-types. I mean why would a bunch of American's work so hard against Israel? I think I've figured it out.

You see if someone is doing poorly, it must be the fault of someone who is doing well. The person doing well is greedy and has taken all the sunshine and clear skies for themselves and left only clouds and storms for everyone else.

Now, that mentality might be valid in certain situations --Henry Ford, or other early corporate fiends, Imelda Marcos, (insert your choice here). I really don't see it being valid in the Israeli/Palestinian situation.

The idea seems to be that there isn't enough of the pie to go around, or that another pie cannot be baked --because those evil, land-locked, oil-poor Israeli's have used their special mojo to hoard all the fixins.

So, the "Peace Activists" have a moral responsibility to even the odds.

So, do you think I have a handle on the situation?

958 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:58:11pm

re: #925 Bagua

We don't wish a long painful death on our political opponents here. There are other sites for that sort of vitriol.

Here we go again. Calling out the lefties for this.

Jesus Christo, I've seen over the last 7 days so many call for painful death, but not a peep - because it was the way of the mob.

Give me a fucking break Bagua

959 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:58:36pm

re: #954 JasonA

Sure about that, Bagua? Limbaugh's top ten is probably worse than that.

Just sayin'...

And I'm saying that several people have manned up and apologized for vile things they've said on this blog recently.

Darthstar is not one of them.

960 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:58:45pm

re: #950 Bagua

Bow wow!

re: #943 reine.de.tout

Lol, no knife, no axe, no gun? Was that tweet from al-Reuters or al-Beeb?

It was a tweet from "counterwording", to my retweet of Charles' two fauxtography posts.

I replied, referring him to this post and the previous one. Sheesh.

961 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:59:03pm

re: #933 Cato the Elder

"Entertainers" do not generally act as kingmakers or political arbiters in one party or the other.

Category confusion.

No, I don't think so. I think it is his supporters who are confused. I think Rush is laughing all the way to the bank.

962 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:59:48pm

re: #954 JasonA

Sure about that, Bagua? Limbaugh's top ten is probably worse than that.

Just sayin'...

Could be, I hardly have them memorised, did Rush wish a long painful death on somebody?

963 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 9:59:57pm

re: #959 Cato the Elder

And I'm saying that several people have manned up and apologized for vile things they've said on this blog recently.

Darthstar is not one of them.

I'm not sure what that had to do with my comment, but fair enough I guess?

964 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:00:14pm

re: #939 EmmmieG

Will it be popcorn worthy?

You are serving popcorn?

965 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:00:38pm

re: #948 Slumbering Behemoth

Agreed. Dean Martin was an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh is a politic pundit. There is a difference.

What do you mean? Limbaugh doesn't affect our public political discourse in the least. Cato and I were just tired of discussing Brangelina.
/

966 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:01:02pm

re: #938 Slumbering Behemoth

Hello there. I am a conservative. Well, moderate conservative more likely. And a registered republican. I can not stand Rush Limbaugh. I consider him to be one who occupies an intellectual wasteland. He no more represents me as a conservative republican then Carl Marx does. Fuck him.

But all the bitching about this being his fourth marriage? It smells of RDS. I'll grant, although just barely, that there might be just a sliver of room to work the hypocrisy angle, but who gives a fuck? As long as he does not beat, cheat, talk low of her in public, and so on, he still gets the "traditional marriage" cred to a certain extent.

This stinks too much of the So-Con assholes who made an issue of Giuliani's divorces.

Being married and divorced more than once doesn't make you a hypocrite on the "traditional marriage" front as far as I am concerned. It's what you do while married that does.

Bah! Stick to calling him out on his bullshit racist racist remarks. There's plenty of material there that's far more valid.

When you spend a pile of your time on air against gay marriage then YOUR 4th marriage is fair game. Why is that hard to see?

967 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:01:18pm

re: #958 Stanley Sea

Here we go again. Calling out the lefties for this.

Jesus Christo, I've seen over the last 7 days so many call for painful death, but not a peep - because it was the way of the mob.

Give me a fucking break Bagua

You have read people here calling for a long painful death to their political opponants? Are you sure we are reading the same blog?

And what's this "lefties" business, I thought there was no such thing as left or liberal?

968 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:01:40pm

re: #937 reine.de.tout

I've got your back, Reine.
Feathers ready.
We'll tickle them to death!

969 albusteve  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:01:58pm

re: #961 ggt

No, I don't think so. I think it is his supporters who are confused. I think Rush is laughing all the way to the bank.

I'd take his paycheck in a heartbeat...he made it and everybody else is playing catch up...AmIdol

970 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:02:01pm

re: #968 Floral Giraffe

I've got your back, Reine.
Feathers ready.
We'll tickle them to death!

{FLO}
Sweetie!
Yes, indeed!

971 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:03:06pm

re: #954 JasonA

Sure about that, Bagua? Limbaugh's top ten is probably worse than that.

Just sayin'...

Supporters of Limbaugh United

972 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:03:13pm

Lookie!
New thread > > > > > > > > >

Why don't we all go upstairs and start fresh?

973 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:03:55pm

re: #972 reine.de.tout

Lookie!
New thread > > > > > > > > >

Why don't we all go upstairs and start fresh?

Reine, you're always fresh. :P

974 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:03:59pm

re: #958 Stanley Sea

Here we go again. Calling out the lefties for this.

Jesus Christo, I've seen over the last 7 days so many call for painful death, but not a peep - because it was the way of the mob.

Give me a fucking break Bagua

Care to link a few? I'll be happy to go back and downding them. Even if they're my own.

I had a comment about a cartoon AK-47 deleted. I deserved it. I was in the wrong.

I don't give a shit who's a lefty or a righty - if you wish death and pain on someone you're being vile.

And you're vile for updinging it.

975 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:04:41pm

re: #972 reine.de.tout

Sleepy time for me.
Still, ring the alarm, if the feathers are needed!
{Reine}

976 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:04:45pm

re: #958 Stanley Sea

Here we go again. Calling out the lefties for this.

Jesus Christo, I've seen over the last 7 days so many call for painful death, but not a peep - because it was the way of the mob.

Give me a fucking break Bagua

You name one fucking time it has been tolerated here to call for the long painful death of a political pundit of either side.

And what is this talk of "because it was the way of the mob." ?

977 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:05:27pm

Overnight thread and my cue to log-off.

Have a good one all!

978 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:06:49pm

re: #974 Cato the Elder

Hm. I'm too lazy to go through threads and check, but I'm quite sure I've seen quite a few comments that said those "peace activists" deserve death, regardless of whether or not they were among the resistors. Not sure enough that I'd point fingers, but there's a little voice in my head telling me that Ive seen it.

979 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:07:50pm

re: #961 ggt

No, I don't think so. I think it is his supporters who are confused. I think Rush is laughing all the way to the bank.

He absolutely believes his shtick.

Of course he likes the money, too. But I'm getting sick of this excuse-making for people like Beck and Limbaugh - "they're just entertainers"!

Bullshit.

980 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:08:54pm

re: #967 Bagua

You have read people here calling for a long painful death to their political opponants? Are you sure we are reading the same blog?

And what's this "lefties" business, I thought there was no such thing as left or liberal?

You have completely missed the posts of this past week if you deny this. There has been so much vitriol.

You deny it, but just read back some of the posts.

Notice a lot of regulars are missing from the blog.

981 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:09:12pm

re: #978 JasonA

Hm. I'm too lazy to go through threads and check, but I'm quite sure I've seen quite a few comments that said those "peace activists" deserve death, regardless of whether or not they were among the resistors. Not sure enough that I'd point fingers, but there's a little voice in my head telling me that Ive seen it.

Little voices in your head require medical attention.

Accusations here require links.

982 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:09:39pm

re: #959 Cato the Elder

And I'm saying that several people have manned up and apologized for vile things they've said on this blog recently.

Darthstar is not one of them.

That sort of comment will be used to vilify Charles and this blog. Everyone knows this blog is a leading critic of Rush, and rightly so. But the kind of vomit Darthstar just posted doesn't get by without condemnation here.

983 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:10:12pm

re: #981 Cato the Elder

Little voices in your head require medical attention.

Accusations here require links.

I made no accusations. But you're really making me want to. After doing some homework, of course.

984 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:11:29pm

re: #980 Stanley Sea

You have completely missed the posts of this past week if you deny this. There has been so much vitriol.

You deny it, but just read back some of the posts.

Notice a lot of regulars are missing from the blog.

Regulars missing from the blog = (perhaps) libtard peace pussies who can't handle the truth about their friends whose friends are supporting Hamas with the flotilla frauds.

And again, vaporous accusations mean nothing here. Show me the vitriol.

985 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:11:32pm

re: #979 Cato the Elder

He absolutely believes his shtick.

Of course he likes the money, too. But I'm getting sick of this excuse-making for people like Beck and Limbaugh - "they're just entertainers"!

Bullshit.

They are "entertainers" in the same way Robespierre was an entertainer.

986 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:12:03pm

re: #983 JasonA

I made no accusations. But you're really making me want to. After doing some homework, of course.

Have at it.

987 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:12:04pm

Goodnight, all.

988 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:12:43pm

re: #980 Stanley Sea

You have completely missed the posts of this past week if you deny this. There has been so much vitriol.

You deny it, but just read back some of the posts.

Notice a lot of regulars are missing from the blog.

If there was "vitriol" posted then it was either deleted or condemned.

Why are you trying to demonise LGF and the "regulars"? And why are you defending Darthstar calling for Rush to have a "long painful death"?

989 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:12:43pm

re: #984 Cato the Elder

libtard peace pussies ... Show me the vitriol.

Yeah, you're one big bag of understanding lately, Cato.

990 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:15:03pm

re: #978 JasonA

Hm. I'm too lazy to go through threads and check, but I'm quite sure I've seen quite a few comments that said those "peace activists" deserve death, regardless of whether or not they were among the resistors. Not sure enough that I'd point fingers, but there's a little voice in my head telling me that Ive seen it.

You are saying people here have been calling for the activists who weren't attacking to be killed?

Link please.

991 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:16:43pm

re: #925 Bagua

We don't wish a long painful death on our political opponents here. There are other sites for that sort of vitriol.

Interesting that this observation got a down ding.

992 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:17:44pm

re: #989 JasonA

Yeah, you're one big bag of understanding lately, Cato.

Perhaps. I don't pull punches. But I don't call for people to die slow, painful deaths, either.

Here's betting that Darthstar's post will be deleted by morning.

993 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:20:24pm

There have been many deletions from the threads these past few days.

And yes, a few people are missing, and I recall at least a few who said they could not deal with the strong pro-Israel stance of the the threads and were going to stay away from those threads.

Others - well, just might be busy tonight, who knows.

But the bottom line - there are certain types of statements that do get picked up by those who do not like LGF or Charles, and then used against him in some way.

I'm not trying to pull any sort of seniority card here, but I would like to say that those of us who've been around for awhile have seen that very thing happen so many times in the past, and we sort of try to watch for the types of statements that we know will lead to vilification of LGF. It takes a bit of time and a bit of LGF experience, seeing these things being used and the way they are used, to know what sorts of statements will be taken as "proof" that LGF is somehow awful.

I've seen folks of all persuasions called on statements; there is no attempt, at least with these things, to pull something on one "side" or the other.

994 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:20:45pm

re: #990 Bagua

You are saying people here have been calling for the activists who weren't attacking to be killed?

Link please.

Calling for them to be killed? No. Wishing they had been killed, or saying that deserved it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen comments like them. And I really just glaze over them, because anyone who dares stick up for these people just a little bit get lit up like a Christmas tree. I just shrug it off as the heat of the moment.

995 Bagua  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:25:05pm

re: #994 JasonA

Calling for them to be killed? No. Wishing they had been killed, or saying that deserved it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen comments like them. And I really just glaze over them, because anyone who dares stick up for these people just a little bit get lit up like a Christmas tree. I just shrug it off as the heat of the moment.

Link?

Are you talking about the thugs with the metal pipes and the knives and guns which attacked and brutilised the marines? People were talking about a combat situation in which the Israelis did not use adequate force and suffered serious injuries as a result. To equate that will wishing a long painful death on a radio pundit is nonsense. Please.

996 tradewind  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:26:41pm

re: #933 Cato the Elder
Then someone had better disabuse the Hollywood chapter of the Democratic party of the notion that its members are ,if not exactly king makers, certainly president-and-senator-makers.

997 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:28:09pm

re: #966 Stanley Sea

When you spend a pile of your time on air against gay marriage then YOUR 4th marriage is fair game. Why is that hard to see?

I don't like Rush L., so I hate being in the position of reluctantly defending him on this, but...

Those are two very different issues. Divorce and same sex marriage. Now, if it turned out that he was having an affair with a male co-worker or something like that.. HOO BOY!

And I am not saying RL isn't a hypocrite. He certainly is from my point of view, just not on this very specific issue.

Why is it hard to see that those harping on his multiple marriages are pretty much mirroring the behavior of So-Cons who make an issue of such?

998 tradewind  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:30:13pm

re: #749 Cato the Elder
He's got a ways to go before entering Larry King territory./

999 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:38:11pm

re: #997 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't like Rush L., so I hate being in the position of reluctantly defending him on this, but...

Those are two very different issues. and same sex marriage. Now, if it turned out that he was having an affair with a male co-worker or something like that.. HOO BOY!

And I am not saying RL isn't a hypocrite. He certainly is from my point of view, just not on this very specific issue.

Why is it hard to see that those harping on his multiple marriages are pretty much mirroring the behavior of So-Cons who make an issue of such?

Greenwald has been a complete ass lately, but he has a good old blog entry on how the concepts are related -- explicitly for people who use the argument of "traditional marriage", as Limbaugh does.

[Link: glenngreenwald.blogspot.com...]

1000 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 10:54:23pm

re: #999 Nimed

If one advocates "traditional marriage" as being between a man and a woman, then divorce and remarriage is not relevant. And I'll wager there are plenty of hard-line Christians who poo-poo Rush's multiples just as much as they did Giuliani's.

Bottom line for me here is that I openly defended Giuliani against So-Cons on this same thing during the primary campaign, and if I did anything less for Rush or anyone else in the same situation then I would be a hypocrite. The only difference for me is that I like Giuliani and can't stand Rush.

So those of you who are left leaning democrats that are harping on this issue, please do congratulate yourselves. You have prompted me to do what no vast congregation of right leaning, conservative republicans could make me do. That is defend Rush Limbaugh, on anything. *spit*

P.S. Glenn "Super Sock-Puppet" Greenwald? I care as much for his opinion as I do Rush's.

1001 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 11:36:31pm

re: #1000 Slumbering Behemoth

Starting at the end:

P.S. Glenn "Super Sock-Puppet" Greenwald? I care as much for his opinion as I do Rush's.

That's fine. But I'm not investing Greenwald with some sort of Great Authority in this. I've linked the article because he gets the argument right.

If one advocates "traditional marriage" as being between a man and a woman, then divorce and remarriage is not relevant.

The problem is you don't get to define what traditional marriage is and is not. The defense of "traditional marriage" in our society is grounded on religious values:

The teaching of Jesus is fundamental to the study of the Biblical view of divorce and remarriage because Jesus clarifies the reason for the Old Testament concession (Deut 24:1) and reaffirms God’s creational design for marriage to be a permanent, indissoluble covenant...

God’s original plan consists of a man and a woman being united in a marriage bond so strong that the two actually become one flesh (Gen 2:26; Matt 19:6; Mark 10:8). The "one flesh" unity of the couple is reflected especially in their offspring who partake of the genetic characteristics of father and mother, and the two are absolutely inseparable. Jesus affirms that it is God Himself who actually joins together a couple in marriage and what God has joined together no human being has the right to separate.

Now, I consider it to be a good thing that, as a society, we have de facto moved on from the "in sickness and in health", "till death do us part" parts of marriage, which needlessly condemned couples to a miserable life. It's the notion that you can define traditional marriage by picking and choosing what parts are written in stone and which ones can be disposed of, and doing it in the way that is simultaneously most convenient to yourself and alienating of gay peoples -- this is what is hypocritical.

1002 Nimed  Sun, Jun 6, 2010 11:41:26pm

re: #1000 Slumbering Behemoth

Forgot about this:

So those of you who are left leaning democrats that are harping on this issue, please do congratulate yourselves. You have prompted me to do what no vast congregation of right leaning, conservative republicans could make me do. That is defend Rush Limbaugh, on anything. *spit*

If you are prompted to defend Limbaugh's views without knowing what those views are, don't blame it on "left leaning democrats". You're, hm, spitting in the wind, here.

1003 Mickey Blumental  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 12:07:07am

This is beyond depressing, because these are the people who set public opinion across the world. This should be a big deal, but the mass media doesn't care. It only pops up in certain blogs and very few people learn about it.

1004 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 12:17:50am

re: #1001 Nimed

The teaching of Jesus is fundamental to the study of the Biblical view of divorce and remarriage because Jesus clarifies the reason for the Old Testament concession (Deut 24:1) and reaffirms God’s creational design for marriage to be a permanent, indissoluble covenant...

God’s original plan consists of a man and a woman being united in a marriage bond so strong that the two actually become one flesh (Gen 2:26; Matt 19:6; Mark 10:8). The "one flesh" unity of the couple is reflected especially in their offspring who partake of the genetic characteristics of father and mother, and the two are absolutely inseparable. Jesus affirms that it is God Himself who actually joins together a couple in marriage and what God has joined together no human being has the right to separate.

Are you quoting Limbaugh here? If so, I will concede (with a verifiable link of course). If not, it is you who are spitting in the wind.

1005 bluesky  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:51:57am

Thanks for exposing this scam

1006 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:07:59am

re: #608 albusteve

one hell of a fight, but we could have done it

No, we couldn't. It might be an inspiring historical fiction that we won WWII all by ourselves, or could have, but it is just that: fiction. There is no way in hell we could have paid so light a price in lives relative to Russia if it were not for those Russians and who fought Hitler, and died doing so, on the eastern front. That Stalin was an incredible prick is beside the point.

1007 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:44:27am

PIMF... the second to last 'and' is superfluous.

1008 srjh  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 12:13:45am

And Reuters is still taken seriously...

Fool me seventeen times, shame on whoever still considers them an impartial authority on this.

1009 GreatWizard  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 2:07:32am

Thanks for doing this job Charles. I was a bit bored by all the environmental and internal US related news lately, but now I wish we could go back to that :(

1010 Right Brain  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 8:55:22am

Al Reuters must have forgotten about this site.

They just got reminded. This story has legs.

Thanks Charles.

1011 OldnGrumpy  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 7:35:05am

Al-Reuters has admitted the photos were cropped
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

1012 Limitbreak22  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:02:40am

I don't always agree with everything Charles and the others post at LGF, but thank you for searching for the truth and calling a spade a spade.

1013 kyanwan  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:07:01am

I suppose this site is liberal in every aspect - except when it comes to human rights.

Try cutting a piece of chicken while dangling a knife from your hand with 2 fingers. An Israeli commando's knife.

See how well it works. The guy was disarmed. The guy fought. I don't really see a "pool" of blood either. I had to search for the "pool" of blood ... which was a smear in the shape of a hand on the small (yet deceivingly large in the photograph) railing. Somebody point it out please?

Israel is an apartheid / segregationist state. It needs to stop.

1014 Burl  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:34:14pm

Why, gosh, Reuters was just practicing good advocacy journalism.
Why let the whole photo get in the way of a good, biased story?

Seriously: Good catch by LGF


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