Reuters: Cropping of Photos Was ‘Inadvertent’

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The Reuters “Good, Bad, and Ugly” blog has addressed the cropped photos; they say they were notified by readers, and print several rather blunt emails they received. (Of course, they also became aware of it from LGF almost as soon as I posted about it; my Reuters tracker has recorded more than 100 visits from their Canary Wharf offices since yesterday morning.)

They claim the cropping was inadvertent, failing the smell test: Cropped photos | Analysis & Opinion.

This is all they have to say about it:

The images in question were made available in Istanbul, and following normal editorial practice were prepared for dissemination which included cropping at the edges. When we realized that a dagger was inadvertently cropped from the images, Reuters immediately moved the original set, as well.

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1425 comments
1 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:53:37pm

A likely story...

2 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:54:24pm

"Reuters: Cropping of Photos Was 'Inadvertent'"

And Josef Mengele was in Family Practice.

3 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:54:59pm

Well, thats understandable.

Oops, I inadvertently said the wrong thing. What I means to say was lying fuckers.

4 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:55:07pm

Okay, case closed.

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:55:31pm

For the 5th time...Reuters, fuck you. You suck. And you're the tops on MyListtm.

6 S'latch  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:55:47pm

"When we realized that a dagger was inadvertently cropped from the images, Reuters immediately moved the original set, as well."

What is that supposed to mean?

7 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:56:15pm

Unfortunately, "Worst Excuse of the Decade" is already taken--by Reuters.

trying to remove dust marks and that he made mistakes due to the bad lighting conditions he was working under
8 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:56:41pm

re: #6 Lawrence Schmerel

"When we realized that a dagger was inadvertently cropped from the images, Reuters immediately moved the original set, as well."

What is that supposed to mean?

If we can't get away with lying about it, we just won't report it at all.

9 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:57:00pm

This is called "CYA legalese".

I don't see *ANY* news organization saying "Sure, we did it because we wanted 'X' to look in the worst possible light" in any of their statements.

10 avanti  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:58:16pm

A few right wing blogs are commenting, at least one claiming LGF had nothing to do with catching the crop, just evil Charles and his Lizards taking credit./

11 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 1:58:27pm

Weird. They were caught and LGF was slow this morning.

12 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:00:02pm

Lizard Army!

Quick, Elder of Ziyon has noticed something very interesting in the 9 minute Al-Jazeera video aboard the Mavi Marmara.

Did they inadvertantly film mercenaries firing a gun at the helicopter?

13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:00:23pm

We should start a blog so we don't need them on one side and Foxnews on the other. Wait a second....

14 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:00:25pm

Here is the video itself:

Youtube Video
15 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:00:32pm

"Your honor, my hand slipped about six or seven times with the knife in my hand!"


This also does not address the captioning, such as their repeated statement that the Israeli commandos were being held when they were being dragged along a stairwell, and the other various slants that I've perceived in the captions.

16 teleskiguy  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:00:45pm

This all probably merits a spot in LGF hits.

17 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:01:47pm

OT- Natural gas fire in Texas?

18 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:02:22pm

re: #14 Joo-LiZ

Here is the video itself:


[Video]

Note: EoZ is asking for help identifying whether or not it is a gun. EoZ is not saying definitively that it is.

19 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:02:33pm

re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar

OT- Natural gas fire in Texas?

I heard about the natural gas well blow-out in Pennsylvania...now there's one in Texas?

20 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:02:57pm

re: #19 darthstar

I heard about the natural gas well blow-out in Pennsylvania...now there's one in Texas?

According to my radio.

21 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:03:21pm

re: #12 Joo-LiZ

Lizard Army!

Quick, Elder of Ziyon has noticed something very interesting in the 9 minute Al-Jazeera video aboard the Mavi Marmara.

Did they inadvertantly film mercenaries firing a gun at the helicopter?

Pretty sure that's not a gun.

22 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:03:41pm

re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar

According to my radio.

[Link: www.wfaa.com...]

23 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:03:52pm

Would the "inadvertently cropped" photos have been replaced and a retraction issued if no one noticed the missing bits?

24 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:04:02pm

re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar

According to my radio.

Image
Image: gaswell-1_20100607151518_320_240.JPG

25 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:04:31pm

re: #21 JasonA

Pretty sure that's not a gun.

I just watched it 4-5 times in succession, on closer inspection I think it's probably a camera.

26 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:04:41pm

The earth is pissed.

27 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:05:26pm

re: #25 Joo-LiZ

I just watched it 4-5 times in succession, on closer inspection I think it's probably a camera.

I'm pretty sure the IDF would've mentioned it.

28 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:05:35pm

re: #26 Cannadian Club Akbar

The earth is pissed.

With good reason. The Gulf, Pennsylvania, and now Texas...

29 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:05:44pm

re: #26 Cannadian Club Akbar

The earth is pissed.

GAIA got hammered at a frat party and started lighting farts.

30 ryannon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:05:57pm

re: #26 Cannadian Club Akbar

The earth is pissed.

Hell hath no fury....

31 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:05:59pm

re: #10 avanti

A few right wing blogs are commenting, at least one claiming LGF had nothing to do with catching the crop, just evil Charles and his Lizards taking credit./

When maintaining their LGF-hate becomes more important than reporting a significant story about propaganda being manufactured for use against Israel that should tell you everything you need to know about those blogs.

32 teleskiguy  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:06:03pm

88,000 page views yesterday. 177,000 page views so far today.

So nice to see people like Charles commit journalism in this day and age, especially on such touchy topics.

33 jordash1212  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:06:18pm

Forget the pains of today! A new iPhone is on its way!

////

34 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:06:26pm

re: #29 DaddyG

GAIA got hammered at a frat party and started lighting farts.

Did she get it on her iPhone?

35 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:07:02pm

re: #29 DaddyG

GAIA got hammered at a frat party and started lighting farts.

re: #33 jordash1212

Forget the pains of today! A new iPhone is on its way!

///

That's how it was recorded.

36 jordash1212  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:07:31pm

re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar

They should have waited a few weeks. They could have recorded this all in 720p :-P

37 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:07:41pm

re: #25 Joo-LiZ

I just watched it 4-5 times in succession, on closer inspection I think it's probably a camera.

From the shadow seen on the left side of the wall at around the 8 second mark, camera seems more likely.

38 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:08:17pm

re: #34 darthstar

Did she get it on her iPhone?

There's an app for that.

39 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:09:09pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From the shadow seen on the left side of the wall at around the 8 second mark, camera seems more likely.

Yup, I jumped on that too quickly. I couldn't tell the first time through, thought others here would have a sharper eye. But now I can see it's very unlikely to have been a gun.

Sorry for the false alarm.

40 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:10:04pm

RndPaul() about to return more lunacy (Uh, Rand, the house writes budgets, and you're running for the Senate).

Republican U.S. Senate nominee Rand Paul vowed Monday to introduce his own balanced budget for the nation if he is elected.

41 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:10:16pm

re: #25 Joo-LiZ

I just watched it 4-5 times in succession, on closer inspection I think it's probably a camera.

I'd note that ElderofZion is also not crediting LFG appropriately.

42 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:11:20pm

re: #41 Obdicut

I'd note that ElderofZion is also not crediting LFG appropriately.

Wasn't EoZ a poster here once?

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:11:50pm

re: #15 Obdicut

"Your honor, my hand slipped about six or seven times with the knife in my hand!"

This also does not address the captioning, such as their repeated statement that the Israeli commandos were being held when they were being dragged along a stairwell, and the other various slants that I've perceived in the captions.

"I'm standin' in the kitchen, carving up a chicken for dinner, minding my own business, when in storms my husband, Wilbur, in a jealous rage. "You've been screwing the milkman," he said. He was crazy, and he kept on screaming, "You've been screwing the milkman." And then he ran into my knife... he ran into my knife ten times."

44 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:12:15pm

re: #31 Bloodnok

Good to see you Bloodnok!

Your avatar shows in the Spy and on your profile, but not in comment threads. When this happened to someone else before, it was on the end of the one who posted the avatar, but I don't know what the cause was.

45 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:12:48pm

re: #41 Obdicut

I'd note that ElderofZion is also not crediting LFG appropriately.

EoZ actually independently noticed the first image posted here on LGF. The second image EoZ does give credit to LGF.

46 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:12:58pm

Not to be a condescending ass (again), but that new video was just analyzed by LGF in a cool calm, logical manner. I'm impressed.

47 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:13:02pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

"I'm standin' in the kitchen, carving up a chicken for dinner, minding my own business, when in storms my husband, Wilbur, in a jealous rage. "You've been screwing the milkman," he said. He was crazy, and he kept on screaming, "You've been screwing the milkman." And then he ran into my knife... he ran into my knife ten times."

He fell down an elevator shaft and landed on some bullets.

48 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:13:11pm

re: #45 Joo-LiZ

EoZ actually independently noticed the first image posted here on LGF. The second image EoZ does give credit to LGF.

(I saw it on EoZ before coming here to mention it, and by then KT had already posted about it)

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:13:35pm

"I loved Al Lipshitz more than I could possibly say. He was a real artistic guy, sensitive, a painter. But he was always trying to find himself. He'd go out every night looking for himself. And on the way, he found Ruth. Gladys. Rosemary. And Irving. I guess you could say we broke up because of artistic differences. He saw himself as alive. And I saw him dead."

50 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:14:16pm

re: #46 b_sharp

Not to be a condescending ass (again), but that new video was just analyzed by LGF in a cool calm, logical manner. I'm impressed.

Wll, my initial reaction was to start howling and throwing feces, but that didn't make it thru the posting process for some reason.

51 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:15:15pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wll, my initial reaction was to start howling and throwing feces, but that didn't make it thru the posting process for some reason.

So the Chimp filter is working?

52 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:15:22pm

re: #46 b_sharp

Not to be a condescending ass (again), but that new video was just analyzed by LGF in a cool calm, logical manner. I'm impressed.

The one I just posted? lol *embarrassed*

53 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:15:37pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wll, my initial reaction was to start howling and throwing feces, but that didn't make it thru the posting process for some reason.

Are you a monkey?
/

54 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:15:45pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

"I loved Al Lipshitz more than I could possibly say. He was a real artistic guy, sensitive, a painter. But he was always trying to find himself. He'd go out every night looking for himself. And on the way, he found Ruth. Gladys. Rosemary. And Irving. I guess you could say we broke up because of artistic differences. He saw himself as alive. And I saw him dead."

I'm frank and earnest when it comes to women. In New York, I'm Frank, and in Chicago, I'm Earnest.

55 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:15:49pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

re: #31 Bloodnok

Good to see you Bloodnok!

Your avatar shows in the Spy and on your profile, but not in comment threads. When this happened to someone else before, it was on the end of the one who posted the avatar, but I don't know what the cause was.

Hi! nice to see you too! Yes, this one is on me. I noticed my avatar still showed up on the "my account" screen, but it said "no image uploaded". I thought it might be fishy. I'll have to fix it when I get home.

56 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:16:36pm

Why are people stealing my thoughts?!!
/

57 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:16:52pm

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are you a monkey?
/

No, but we do share a common ancestor.

58 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:17:13pm

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why are people stealing my thoughts?!!
/

Not us. It must be the booze.

59 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:17:45pm

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why are people stealing my thoughts?!!
/

You do realize that you've lost the ability to hold an internal monologue, right?

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:17:59pm

re: #58 JasonA

Not us. It must be the booze.

I promise to balance it out later with beer.
/

61 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:19:33pm

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why are people stealing my thoughts?!!
/

The theft of our innermost musings cannot be allowed to continue. I hearby demand we institute... The Thought Police!

62 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:19:36pm

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are you a monkey?
/

All you primates look alike. -Lur from the planet Omacron 9

63 LSD  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:19:45pm

The fact is, Reuters wouldn't have done squat without your holding their feet to the fire, Charles.

Thank you for standing up for the Truth.

64 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:19:55pm

CNN streaming video of the gas well inferno in Texas.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Flames look to be about 500 feet in the air.

65 Elder_of_Ziyon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:20:47pm

I'm not sure in what way I wasn't crediting LGF "appropriately." My new co-blogger, Suzanne, noticed the first Reuters cropping two hours before LGF (10:13 AM EDT vs. 12:05 PM EDT) . I mentioned that in a post this morning, as well as LGF discovering the second (and more egregious) photo.

The video I was asking about had little to do with the photo cropping.

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:20:56pm

Reuters... oops.

67 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:21:05pm

re: #64 darthstar

CNN streaming video of the gas well inferno in Texas.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Flames look to be about 500 feet in the air.


They do everything big in Texas.

68 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #64 darthstar

CNN streaming video of the gas well inferno in Texas.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Flames look to be about 500 feet in the air.

Holy shit...close-up zoom on the well site shows ZERO structure around it. One or two small bits of twisted metal, but other than that a big hole in the ground spewing flames.

69 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #64 darthstar

CNN streaming video of the gas well inferno in Texas.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Flames look to be about 500 feet in the air.

Holy moley!

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:22:04pm

Okay. I admit it. The Drudge headline is funny.

71 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:22:06pm

re: #31 Bloodnok

When maintaining their LGF-hate becomes more important than reporting a significant story about propaganda being manufactured for use against Israel that should tell you everything you need to know about those blogs.

Excellent post.

72 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:22:16pm

re: #42 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wasn't EoZ a poster here once?

Yes.

73 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:22:48pm

re: #48 Joo-LiZ

(I saw it on EoZ before coming here to mention it, and by then KT had already posted about it)

I just wanted to say how glad I am that you comment here.

74 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:23:19pm

re: #42 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wasn't EoZ a poster here once?

Still is, except he never posts, just pimps his blog.

75 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:23:50pm

re: #74 Alouette

Still is, except he never posts, just pimps his blog.

See #65

76 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:24:37pm

My memory rules!! Now, I must destroy it.
/

77 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:24:58pm

Ohh and I am sure it has been said many times before, but good for you Charles on catching this and getting it out there. Good on you for once again sticking it to Reuters - who bloody well deserves it. Good on you for sticking it to all the assholes out there.

And thank you so very much for the resource this blog can provide. I was in a debate with someone about the systematic bias of Reuters and LGF is a treasure trove of ready made ammo.

78 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:25:19pm

re: #31 Bloodnok

When maintaining their LGF-hate becomes more important than reporting a significant story about propaganda being manufactured for use against Israel that should tell you everything you need to know about those blogs.

Besides, the Helen Thomas feeding frenzy is much more fun.

79 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:25:31pm

re: #74 Alouette

Still is, except he never posts, just pimps his blog.

How did the tarragon chicken turn out?

80 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:26:54pm

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh and I am sure it has been said many times before, but good for you Charles on catching this and getting it out there. Good on you for once again sticking it to Reuters - who bloody well deserves it. Good on you for sticking it to all the assholes out there.

And thank you so very much for the resource this blog can provide. I was in a debate with someone about the systematic bias of Reuters and LGF is a treasure trove of ready made ammo.

Reuter Rooters that's the name
Idolatarians fear the same.

81 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:27:21pm

re: #79 LudwigVanQuixote

How did the tarragon chicken turn out?

It was great! I made a white wine mushroom sauce last night to serve over the leftovers.

82 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:27:25pm

re: #12 Joo-LiZ

Lizard Army!

Quick, Elder of Ziyon has noticed something very interesting in the 9 minute Al-Jazeera video aboard the Mavi Marmara.

Did they inadvertantly film mercenaries firing a gun at the helicopter?

No, it's probably a telescope.
/I'm not kidding. You see no flash. I can hear no bang. It's a telescope.

83 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:27:48pm

re: #78 Alouette

Besides, the Helen Thomas feeding frenzy is much more fun.


Theres a joke in there somewhere that involves the words Karma and Bitch. I'm not quite sure how to put it together yet.

84 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:28:35pm

re: #45 Joo-LiZ

EoZ actually independently noticed the first image posted here on LGF. The second image EoZ does give credit to LGF.

Ah. I missed it given that he doesn't actually name LGF, which I still feel is déclassé.

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:28:48pm

re: #83 DaddyG

Theres a joke in there somewhere that involves the words Karma and Bitch. I'm not quite sure how to put it together yet.

That bitches karma caught up, huh?

86 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:29:05pm

re: #81 Alouette

It was great! I made a white wine mushroom sauce last night to serve over the leftovers.

I am so glad you liked it!

87 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:30:02pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. I admit it. The Drudge headline is funny.


So is this link: http://gizmodo.com/5557458/watch-the-steve-jobs-keynote-meltdown

88 Elder_of_Ziyon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:31:20pm

#84 Obdicut you stopped reading my post too early:

And, of course, this photo was not the only one. As LGF noticed, Reuters published this picture:

89 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:32:02pm

re: #65 Elder_of_Ziyon

I'm not sure in what way I wasn't crediting LGF "appropriately." My new co-blogger, Suzanne, noticed the first Reuters cropping two hours before LGF (10:13 AM EDT vs. 12:05 PM EDT) . I mentioned that in a post this morning, as well as LGF discovering the second (and more egregious) photo.

The video I was asking about had little to do with the photo cropping.

KT's page went up at 10:06 AM EDT, though.

90 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:32:12pm

bbl

92 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:32:39pm

re: #18 Joo-LiZ

Note: EoZ is asking for help identifying whether or not it is a gun. EoZ is not saying definitively that it is.


He's also claiming that LGF got the Reuters cropping scandal from him so he can go fuck himself. It's a real coincidence that he picked up the story exactly 5 minutes after it was posted here.

93 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:32:43pm

re: #87 DaddyG

So is this link: http://gizmodo.com/5557458/watch-the-steve-jobs-ke ynote-meltdown

Ha! Jobs: "You know, you could help me out if you're on wifi to disconnect right now..." (page still doesn't load)...

94 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:33:20pm

two more bodies on the AZ/Mex border...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

95 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:33:34pm
Reuters: Cropping of Photos Was 'Inadvertent'

Aaaannnnnnddddd, Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown is always inadvertent as well...

//

96 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:34:07pm

I'm still wrestling with the use of the word inadvertent. That's synonymous with "accident". When my children tell me that hitting a sibling or failing to pick up their laundry was an "accident" I remind them that slipping on a banana peel is an accident, or stubbing your toe is an accident. Acts of neglect, cruelty or vandalism are not inadvertent. At best this sloppy cropping is negligent and at worst it is propaganda.

97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:34:19pm

re: #93 darthstar

Well, if Steve Jobs can't get it to work (with a hundred thousand people in the background) you can be sure you won't have a problem.

98 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:35:01pm

the Texas gas fire sounds like a bad one

- Officials say at least 3 people are dead, 10 people are missing and about a half-dozen more are injured after a gas line exploded in rural north Texas.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

99 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:37:57pm

re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, if Steve Jobs can't get it to work (with a hundred thousand people in the background) you can be sure you won't have a problem.

Best parts:
"It kind of just comes down to, uh, what do you want to be looking at all day long." Yes, good point, Steve. Apparently not my phone.

and

"Scott, you got any suggestions?" (someone shouts, "Verizon!")

100 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:38:00pm

re: #98 albusteve

the Texas gas fire sounds like a bad one

- Officials say at least 3 people are dead, 10 people are missing and about a half-dozen more are injured after a gas line exploded in rural north Texas.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I would be willing to bet that the "missing" are going to stay missing, for the same reasons the 11 "missing" on the Deepwater Horizon have stayed missing.

Oh, this is horrific.

101 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:38:29pm

re: #98 albusteve

the Texas gas fire sounds like a bad one

- Officials say at least 3 people are dead, 10 people are missing and about a half-dozen more are injured after a gas line exploded in rural north Texas.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]


Sadly the conspiracy nuts will be touting this as more evidence that the Obama administration is purposefully setting off disasters to stop oil production in the USA.

I just had an on-line "debate" with a guy the other day who said "this is a fair tactic because they blamed Bush for Katrina".

My only response was "lets not be like them".

102 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:38:52pm

re: #93 darthstar

Ha! Jobs: "You know, you could help me out if you're on wifi to disconnect right now..." (page still doesn't load)...

The Verizon hecklers made me laugh.

103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:38:56pm

re: #99 darthstar

"Scott, you got any suggestions?" (someone shouts, "Verizon!")

"someone" just got disappeared.

104 Elder_of_Ziyon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:39:08pm

Sorry, Kilgore, but I hadn't seen yours and would have given you credit if I knew. When I wrote my post this morning I didn't follow the links back to yours. I'll happily update my post.

I in no way tried to imply that LGF stole it from me (or, more accurately, Suzanne.)

Sheesh. Touchy.

105 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:39:15pm

re: #98 albusteve

the Texas gas fire sounds like a bad one

- Officials say at least 3 people are dead, 10 people are missing and about a half-dozen more are injured after a gas line exploded in rural north Texas.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And the problem with nuke is it's too dangerous? Give me a break.

106 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:39:38pm

re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"someone" just got disappeared.

He's now sharing a cubicle with the dude who left the prototype in a bar.

107 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:39:45pm

re: #100 reine.de.tout

I would be willing to bet that the "missing" are going to stay missing, for the same reasons the 11 "missing" on the Deepwater Horizon have stayed missing.

Oh, this is horrific.

yes, seems like all hell is breaking loose...reading now about the Gulf cleanup just makes me furious...how did they allow that oil to get ashore?....seems nobody put up much of a fight

108 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:40:06pm

re: #99 darthstar

Best parts:
"It kind of just comes down to, uh, what do you want to be looking at all day long." Yes, good point, Steve. Apparently not my phone.

and

"Scott, you got any suggestions?" (someone shouts, "Verizon!")

Did you see Steve standing next to huge screen of the new iphone.. It was 4 times bigger than him for the Demo.. Somebody said ' How the hell and I going to fit that in my pocket?'
funny stuff

109 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:40:31pm

re: #105 b_sharp

And the problem with nuke is it's too dangerous? Give me a break.


Don't get me started on the number of people who have died installing solar panels. //

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:40:58pm

re: #104 Elder_of_Ziyon

I don't have a dog in this fight (other than KT is mah "Dawg")... but I don't think he's being touchy.

111 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:41:01pm

Texas needs this guy.

112 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:41:05pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

When you're good to Mama, Mama's good to you

Saw it on Broadway 2 months ago! They had to drag me, but I really enjoyed it.

113 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:41:42pm

Dinner. BBL.

114 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:42:28pm

Well OT:
I got the dreaded call from my Doctors office today about my blood tests...
I tested positive for Genius!
/I'll be here all week

115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:43:00pm

re: #108 HoosierHoops

It would take pretty good size male/female parts to shout something out in a Steve Jobs demo.

I'm just sayin'.

No offense Steve, really.

116 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:43:08pm

re: #111 darthstar

Texas needs this guy.

Are his sons still in business? Yup (answered my own question) http://www.adairenterprises.com/

117 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:43:23pm

re: #107 albusteve

yes, seems like all hell is breaking loose...reading now about the Gulf cleanup just makes me furious...how did they allow that oil to get ashore?...seems nobody put up much of a fight

Jindal kept asking for permits and material to build the protective berms - the Coast Guard and Army Corps of Engineers kept delaying. BP had the supplies, but would release them 'til Coast Guard gave its OK; Coast Guard said the NOAA "projections" had the oil still several days out; Jindal finally got one of them into a goddammed boat and brought them to the coast where it was obvious the oil was already there, to hell with the NOAA projections.

Been a bit of a clusterf*ck.
And that's not language I use often or without reason.

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:43:23pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

CELTICS!

119 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:43:42pm

Weird...the Texas fire just went out on its own.

120 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:44:04pm

re: #101 DaddyG

Sadly the conspiracy nuts will be touting this as more evidence that the Obama administration is purposefully setting off disasters to stop oil production in the USA.

I just had an on-line "debate" with a guy the other day who said "this is a fair tactic because they blamed Bush for Katrina".

My only response was "lets not be like them".

if it's contrived, it would not surprise me a bit

121 yenta-fada  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:44:05pm

Reuters cropped photo was inadvertent aaaaand Helen Thomas had a 'senior moment'.//

122 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:44:11pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

Well OT:
I got the dreaded call from my Doctors office today about my blood tests...
I tested positive for Genius!
/I'll be here all week

I asked my boss for a raise when the doctor told me I was impotent.

/rimshot

123 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:44:18pm

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Woot!!

124 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:44:45pm

re: #104 Elder_of_Ziyon

Sorry, Kilgore, but I hadn't seen yours and would have given you credit if I knew. When I wrote my post this morning I didn't follow the links back to yours. I'll happily update my post.

I in no way tried to imply that LGF stole it from me (or, more accurately, Suzanne.)

Sheesh. Touchy.

These things happen. Sometimes people dig up the same story at roughly the same time. The only correction I would suggest is just change the part about LGF "piling on" to a story you broke. Just say something like "LGF noticed too". Everybody wants to be first on a breaking story and arguing over who was first is as stupid about complaining about not getting a hat tip. It's the fact that the story is being covered that really counts. My objection is I felt you were minimizing our work on the story.

125 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:45:52pm

re: #119 darthstar

Weird...the Texas fire just went out on its own.

all the gas burned up, or the formation collapsed in on itself?

126 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:46:18pm

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

CELTICS!

CELTICS!
Paul said we are not going back to LA!
We are this close to putting Jack Nickelson in rehab!

127 Elder_of_Ziyon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:46:53pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

No problem - I updated the post to give you proper credit.

128 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:47:08pm

re: #126 HoosierHoops

CELTICS!
Paul said we are not going back to LA!
We are this close to putting Jack Nickelson in rehab!

get real, it will never happen

129 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:47:26pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

I would also like to add that I would rather the wingnut blogs just rip off the LGF coverage of the Reuters cropping story. At least then it would be covered. Right now they'd rather give Hamas a PR victory than acknowledge something happening on LGF. It's just petty.

130 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:47:35pm

re: #126 HoosierHoops

CELTICS!
Paul said we are not going back to LA!
We are this close to putting Jack Nickelson in rehab!

We need KG and PP to show up. Cannot count on just RA hitting 8 3's and 7 in a row. In the first half.

131 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:48:24pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I would also like to add that I would rather the wingnut blogs just rip off the LGF coverage of the Reuters cropping story. At least then it would be covered. Right now they'd rather give Hamas a PR victory than acknowledge something happening on LGF. It's just petty.

And I wish the lefty blogs (looking at you KOS) would quite demonizing Israel.

132 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:48:39pm

re: #127 Elder_of_Ziyon

No problem - I updated the post to give you proper credit.

That's more than I asked for. Thanks.

133 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:48:40pm

not only that but the Dow dumped another 115pts today...
RECOVERY!

134 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:48:43pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout

all the gas burned up, or the formation collapsed in on itself?

One can hope. If it's a new well, then the hydrofracturing might have only opened up so big of a pocket that they can safely go back and seal the thing up. But if there's more gas seeping to the surface, there's plenty of heat around to reignite it.

The entire rig is gone though...just one chunk of pipe left twisted on the ground...it's like nothing was ever there. Must have been a hell of an explosion.

135 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:49:53pm

re: #131 brownbagj

And I wish the lefty blogs (looking at you KOS) would quite demonizing Israel.

Not half as bas as Huff is right now.

136 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:50:09pm

re: #122 DaddyG

I asked my boss for a raise when the doctor told me I was impotent.

/rimshot

My doctor told me to stop masturbating.

I asked him why.

He said it was making it difficult to finish his exam.

137 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:50:10pm

re: #131 brownbagj

And I wish the lefty blogs (looking at you KOS) would quite demonizing Israel.

Yeah, to be fair we should also expect someone like Rachael Maddow, who we have praised for honesty here, to cover the story. Sadly my expectations of the lefties are still pretty low when it comes to things like this.

138 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:50:19pm

re: #134 darthstar

One can hope. If it's a new well, then the hydrofracturing might have only opened up so big of a pocket that they can safely go back and seal the thing up. But if there's more gas seeping to the surface, there's plenty of heat around to reignite it.

The entire rig is gone though...just one chunk of pipe left twisted on the ground...it's like nothing was ever there. Must have been a hell of an explosion.

yeah, C4 will do that

139 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:50:22pm

re: #133 albusteve

not only that but the Dow dumped another 115pts today...
RECOVERY!

Ugh.

140 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:51:32pm

re: #138 albusteve

yeah, C4 will do that

Think you could wait until we find out what happened to the crew on that rig before making jokes about conspiracy theories?

141 yenta-fada  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:52:04pm

Matt Simons, oil expert and author of "Twilight in the Desert" was on Dylan Ratigan's show just after the stock market closed. He looked extremely downhearted. He said that this BP rig is the worst disaster in the U.S. he has ever seen. He also has significant doubts that the current solution is going to work. He painted a grim picture of oil covering low lying inhabited areas as a distinct possibility.

142 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:52:21pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Yeah, to be fair we should also expect someone like Rachael Maddow, who we have praised for honesty here, to cover the story. Sadly my expectations of the lefties are still pretty low when it comes to things like this.

Do you expect Fox to?

The media doesn't like to eat their own.

143 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:52:23pm

re: #140 darthstar

Think you could wait until we find out what happened to the crew on that rig before making jokes about conspiracy theories?

no

144 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:52:54pm

Yeah, Reuters. Sure.

You just inadvertently missed two knives in two separate photos. Knives in photos don't attract any attention from jaded photo editors anymore. Why, you see them all the time in Israeli hands! And nobody pays any attention!

This fails the smell test the same way Hillary's claim that she just happened to "misspeak" about her false memory of flying into Bosnia under fire hit the low score on my credibility meter.

Try again, Reuters. Fail again. Fail better.

145 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:53:21pm

re: #128 albusteve

get real, it will never happen

Probably not.. If Jack ever goes to rehab after this series we'll never find out about it...
My Call: If Boston destroys the Lakers in Game 3 at the Garden.. It's all over..
If the Lakers win..Then they win in 6..
I want a game 7..Period.. This is my favorite time of the sports year...

146 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:54:03pm

re: #127 Elder_of_Ziyon

No problem - I updated the post to give you proper credit.

To explain my reaction a little bit. Someone emailed me this afternoon telling me that the LGF stalker blogs were emailing the Israeli press and claiming the LGF stole the story from you and were demanding corrections. That did piss me off some. Sorry if I over reacted.

147 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:54:36pm

Rating Cut by Fitch on Wealthiest U.S. State
“The downgrade reflects the state’s reduced financial flexibility, illustrated by its reliance on sizable debt issuances during the current biennium to close operating gaps in the context of already high liabilities,” Fitch said.

and so it begins....this is the future we look forward to

[Link: www.economicpolicyjournal.com...]

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:54:43pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

You can say "Cluck".

149 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:54:55pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

"I'm standin' in the kitchen, carving up a chicken for dinner, minding my own business, when in storms my husband, Wilbur, in a jealous rage. "You've been screwing the milkman," he said. He was crazy, and he kept on screaming, "You've been screwing the milkman." And then he ran into my knife... he ran into my knife ten times."

From the musical Chicago.

150 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:55:00pm

re: #141 yenta-fada

Mr. Simmons, for all his knowledge on the petro-industry and banking, has not been particularly helpful in discussing the Deepwater Horizons disaster. His idea that the hole should be nuked is silly, and his assertion that the bigger oil leak is away from the drill hole is unsupported.

151 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:55:13pm

re: #119 darthstar

Weird...the Texas fire just went out on its own.

It didn't go out on it's own, it was a pipeline rupture and ignition that was finally closed off.

152 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:55:38pm

re: #145 HoosierHoops

Probably not.. If Jack ever goes to rehab after this series we'll never find out about it...
My Call: If Boston destroys the Lakers in Game 3 at the Garden.. It's all over..
If the Lakers win..Then they win in 6..
I want a game 7..Period.. This is my favorite time of the sports year...

7 games is definitely where it's at for the fans, in general

153 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:56:07pm

re: #134 darthstar

One can hope. If it's a new well, then the hydrofracturing might have only opened up so big of a pocket that they can safely go back and seal the thing up. But if there's more gas seeping to the surface, there's plenty of heat around to reignite it.

The entire rig is gone though...just one chunk of pipe left twisted on the ground...it's like nothing was ever there. Must have been a hell of an explosion.

They always are.

154 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:56:53pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

To explain my reaction a little bit. Someone emailed me this afternoon telling me that the LGF stalker blogs were emailing the Israeli press and claiming the LGF stole the story from you and were demanding corrections. That did piss me off some. Sorry if I over reacted.

whoa nellie....unreal, they are getting legally serious now

155 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:57:02pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

Yeah, Reuters. Sure.

You just inadvertently missed two knives in two separate photos. Knives in photos don't attract any attention from jaded photo editors anymore. Why, you see them all the time in Israeli hands! And nobody pays any attention!

This fails the smell test the same way Hillary's claim that she just happened to "misspeak" about her false memory of flying into Bosnia under fire hit the low score on my credibility meter.

Try again, Reuters. Fail again. Fail better.

The first picture was cropped on both sides, roughly equally, so an inadvertent mistake is plausible, however on the second picture only the side with the knife and the blood was cropped, the left side remained the same.

I think the MythBusters would call this BUSTED.

156 mj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:57:26pm

Students plan counter-flotilla

Flotilla organized to aid Turkey's oppressed Kurds, Armenians; show up world's hypocrisy after sharp criticism of Israel's raid on Gaza flotilla


Israeli students are planning a "peace flotilla" to Turkey with humanitarian aid for nations who suffered under Turkish imperialism – the Kurds and Armenians. The initiative comes in response to the world's sharp criticism of Israel's lethal raid on the Gaza flotilla which left nine activists dead and many wounded. ...

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

157 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:57:56pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can say "Cluck".

heehee!
When my daughter was about 2, I really hated it when she said "firetruck" and there were any people around.

She combined the two syllables, and it sounded for the world like she was saying 'fuck". LOL.

158 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:57:58pm

re: #133 albusteve

not only that but the Dow dumped another 115pts today...
RECOVERY!

Hey man, you gotta give the Stimulus time to work...like say until December 2012.

159 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:58:13pm

re: #158 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hey man, you gotta give the Stimulus time to work...like say until December 2012.

Damnit, that's the second time I forgot the /.

160 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:58:22pm

Helen Thomas quits

161 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:58:48pm

re: #147 albusteve

and so it begins...this is the future we look forward to

My, you are doomer-ish today, aren't you?

I put in the pages an article about the new UK PM statement on their debt.

The almost universal trend among developed nations has been to grow national debt. There are exceptions, usually among smaller nations, or energy exporting nations.

162 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:59:12pm

re: #156 mj

Students plan counter-flotilla

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

That won't end well.

163 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:59:15pm

re: #155 b_sharp

The first picture was cropped on both sides, roughly equally, so an inadvertent mistake is plausible, however on the second picture only the side with the knife and the blood was cropped, the left side remained the same.

I think the MythBusters would call this BUSTED.

As I said yesterday: once, possible mistake.

Twice, agenda.

Especially if you take the captions into account.

164 yenta-fada  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:59:17pm

re: #150 freetoken

That's interesting. Simmons is an expert, but we might just be in "uncharted" territory with the BP problem.

165 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:59:28pm

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

I just wanted to say how glad I am that you comment here.

Hahaha, THANKS!

I'm not entirely sure why I deserved that. But I appreciate the sentiment.

=)

166 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:59:45pm

Poll: BP Oil Spill Response Rated Worse than Katrina

By more than a 2-to-1 margin, Americans support the pursuit of criminal charges in the nation's worst oil spill , with increasing numbers calling it a major environmental disaster. Eight in 10 criticize the way BP's handled it – and more people give the federal government's response a negative rating than did the response to Hurricane Katrina.

think BO will take a hit for this?...I do, justly or not

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

167 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 2:59:57pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

heehee!
When my daughter was about 2, I really hated it when she said "firetruck" and there were any people around.

She combined the two syllables, and it sounded for the world like she was saying 'fuck". LOL.

MY niece fell off of a ride on cow when she was 2 1/2. She said "son of a bitch moo cow." My brother tried to cut back on his cussing around her after that.

168 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:00:52pm

re: #142 JasonA

Do you expect Fox to?

The media doesn't like to eat their own.

Fox might get some mileage out of covering this. MSNBC won't. They cultivated the left (as witness Keith Olbermann) and the left doesn't want to hear the story. The news networks are less interested in the truth than they are in the ratings. Hunter Thompson had it right when he wrote that:

The television business is a cruel and shallow money trench, and long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free while decent men die like dogs.

169 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:00:56pm

re: #164 yenta-fada

He's an expert at oil industry banking. The reason he was able to write Twilight in the Desert is because of his experience at evaluating assets and liabilities of companies (and in the case of that book, of the nationalized ARAMCO.)

170 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:01:29pm

re: #161 freetoken

My, you are doomer-ish today, aren't you?

I put in the pages an article about the new UK PM statement on their debt.

The almost universal trend among developed nations has been to grow national debt. There are exceptions, usually among smaller nations, or energy exporting nations.

I have zero confidence in the federal govt with regard to the economy...and a host of other issues

171 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:02:03pm

Dear Reuters

Please allow me to introduce to you one Mr. Charles Johnson. For more info on Mr. Johnson, please go to

DanRather.WhatTheHellHappenedToMyCareer.com

Regards

172 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:02:27pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Don't jump to negative conclusions. MSNBC aired the video footage before even Glen Beck latched on to it.

173 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:02:48pm

I swear, I'm going to start keeping a scoreboard for phone calls I get around elections. Whoever calls me the least gets my vote. Fucking tired of 8 god damn automated calls a night telling me to vote for candidate dickhead.

174 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:02:53pm

re: #162 alexknyc

That won't end well.

No, it won't. If they actually were permitted to dock, Erdogan would send a mob to meet them. And I don't think they'd be allowed to dock. Any male students should watch "Midnight Express" before setting sail, since that's what may happen to them.

175 yenta-fada  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:03:43pm

re: #169 freetoken

He's an expert at oil industry banking. The reason he was able to write Twilight in the Desert is because of his experience at evaluating assets and liabilities of companies (and in the case of that book, of the nationalized ARAMCO.)

Ahhhh. Thank you. He must be talking to people in the industry to come up with his conclusions?

176 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:04:15pm

re: #172 b_sharp

Don't jump to negative conclusions. MSNBC aired the video footage before even Glen Beck latched on to it.

They'll report on it, but they won't make it a big focus. I hope I'm wrong, though.

177 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:04:23pm

re: #84 Obdicut

Ah. I missed it given that he doesn't actually name LGF, which I still feel is déclassé.

You're right he doesn't mention LGF at all here, but in an earlier post he does:

Yesterday, new Eldress Suzanne noticed (Kilgore Trout at LGF posted his findings 5 minutes before Suzanne did)

(wow, actually just noticed EoZ quickly updated that one, used to say: "and others followed" with a link to the original LGF post), but later down in his post he did link to and explicitly link to LGF for the other photo:

And, of course, this photo was not the only one. As LGF noticed, Reuters published this picture

Anyways, I'm not EoZ, any further issues should be taken up with him. I generally think EoZ does good work, which tends to stand on its own merit and is usually well sourced/linked.

178 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:04:25pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

No, it won't. If they actually were permitted to dock, Erdogan would send a mob to meet them. And I don't think they'd be allowed to dock. Any male students should watch "Midnight Express" before setting sail, since that's what may happen to them.

I think it's a great idea, but I'd use a Remote-Operated ship...

179 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:05:06pm

re: #160 prairiefire

Helen Thomas quits

Waiting for Keith Olbermann to declarer her this weeks "worst person in the world"

((hey ,, might as well wait ,, there's nothing good on the tube tonight!!))

180 Lemon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:05:08pm

re: #141 yenta-fada

Matt Simons, oil expert and author of "Twilight in the Desert" was on Dylan Ratigan's show just after the stock market closed. He looked extremely downhearted. He said that this BP rig is the worst disaster in the U.S. he has ever seen. He also has significant doubts that the current solution is going to work. He painted a grim picture of oil covering low lying inhabited areas as a distinct possibility.

Freetoken is correct. Simmons has proven several times over this disaster that he has no idea what he is talking about. He's said the well will continue leaking at rates far higher than what BP, the government and independent experts predict for years, that Macondo prospect is linked to the much larger but distant Tiber Field, the BOP being blown off the pipe and landing somewhere on the seafloor (and somehow still leaking oil), leaks on the seafloor itself, and other specious claims.

I'm pretty sure he's just spreading doom and gloom to get in the spotlight.

181 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:07:00pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

I have know idea why she said that. She is anti-Israel.

182 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:07:07pm

Turns out the Texas blow was a pipeline rupture and not a well head. So the reason it went out was because someone finally closed the valve at the end of the line.

At least that's some good news.

183 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:07:30pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

Waiting for Keith Olbermann to declarer her this weeks "worst person in the world"

((hey ,, might as well wait ,, there's nothing good on the tube tonight!!))

somewhere in that vast wasteland of TV signals is a John Wayne movie

184 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:07:46pm

re: #177 Joo-LiZ

Anyways, I'm not EoZ, any further issues should be taken up with him. I generally think EoZ does good work, which tends to stand on its own merit and is usually well sourced/linked.

Wow, I must be slow today, apparently KT and EoZ have already sorted it out.

I'm out... be back later!

185 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:08:06pm

re: #183 albusteve

I am more partial to Clint Eastwood.

186 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:08:31pm

re: #175 yenta-fada

Ahhh. Thank you. He must be talking to people in the industry to come up with his conclusions?

I have no idea on how he has come up with the items about which he has speaking these past couple of weeks on the talking-head shows. I suspect he is just parlaying his limited fame from his Twilight book, a book about which he was well interviewed on many news outlets, in trying to get another 15 minutes.

Perhaps I'm a bit too cynical here, but we've seen this all too often. In pop music the term "one hit wonders" covers this idea.

Not that I have anything against Mr. Simmons - he did good work in bringing to light the very questionable practices of OPEC regarding their statement of petroleum assets.

187 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:10:05pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

It didn't go out on it's own, it was a pipeline rupture and ignition that was finally closed off.

Thanks...just saw that elsewhere and posted a comment before seeing yours.

188 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:10:11pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

Waiting for Keith Olbermann to declarer her this weeks "worst person in the world"

((hey ,, might as well wait ,, there's nothing good on the tube tonight!!))

Do you think he really will?

I've never watched him but, given his rep, I'd be surprised if he did.

189 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:11:09pm

re: #188 alexknyc

Do you think he really will?

I've never watched him but, given his rep, I'd be surprised if he did.

My tongue was firmly in my cheek

190 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:11:22pm

re: #188 alexknyc

Do you think he really will?

I've never watched him but, given his rep, I'd be surprised if he did.

I'd think something was wrong with him if she didn't make tonight's list.

191 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:11:46pm

re: #186 freetoken

sigh... grammar... we need a grammar checker...

192 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:11:58pm

re: #190 JasonA

There is something wrong with him. No need to wait for the list.

193 yenta-fada  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:12:18pm

re: #180 Lemon

Thanks for your insight. That all of the solutions attempted thus far have not worked can only be judged in hindsight. Although, I was a little alarmed at the 'let's throw some stuff down into the hole" attempt. It makes you wonder why no one could anticipate this sequence of events when you look at the live video feed.

As an aside, if there are huge quantities of oil being wasted and flowing into the Gulf of Mexico, why is the price of oil and the price of oil shares going down? I understand this upside down world when I talk about gold, but I don't have any insight into what seems to be a counter-intuitive arrangement in the world of oil and pricing.

194 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:12:36pm

re: #191 freetoken

sigh... grammar... we need a grammar checker...

My son calls grammar a couple of times a wek to check up oh her and grammpa

195 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:13:20pm

Closing Time for Medical Pot Dispensaries
The city attorney's office says it will start by gathering information about who is complying

funny how CA has no problem disregarding federal law, but when AZ does, all hell breaks loose and winds up in court...nice pics too

[Link: www.nbclosangeles.com...]

196 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:13:55pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

"I'm standin' in the kitchen, carving up a chicken for dinner, minding my own business, when in storms my husband, Wilbur, in a jealous rage. "You've been screwing the milkman," he said. He was crazy, and he kept on screaming, "You've been screwing the milkman." And then he ran into my knife... he ran into my knife ten times."

I may or may not have told this story here before, but my dad once had a client who wanted him to initiate divorce proceedings against her husband.

Then the woman disappeared.

Some time later, he got a call from her from the police station.

She had decided that she should have her husband's prized sports car, and still in possession of a key to it, went over to his apartment to take it from him. He got behind the car shouting that she could not take it.

She had it in reverse and floored the engine, running him over with both sets of wheels. The she put it into forward and ran him over again. Then reverse... then forward...

Something like 70 times before the police arrived.

Dad suggested that she needed a very specialized criminal attorney. He then never took a divorce case again.

197 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:14:16pm

re: #193 yenta-fada

For one thing, the busted well in the gulf was experimental and therefore not counted on to provide to the world supply. Second, a worldwide recession has cut demand.

198 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:14:40pm

re: #12 Joo-LiZ

As much as I'd like to assume its a gun. The rear view and the shadow on the wall gives the impression of a camera with a boom mike over the lens. Neither did I notice any actual gun fire or spent shell casings flying through the air. I can't I.D. the object from the shaky video and it wouldn't be the first time that multiple cameras were used in events like this for propaganda.

199 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:14:48pm

Rand Paul announces bold new strategy.

Paul is being more selective about interview requests, saying he would give "priority to people who are going to give a fair story and not practice a 'gotcha journalism' that can be so destructive."

200 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:15:58pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rand Paul announces bold new strategy.

aww...victimizing himself...what a stud!

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:15:58pm

re: #196 LudwigVanQuixote

I may or may not have told this story here before, but my dad once had a client who wanted him to initiate divorce proceedings against her husband.

Then the woman disappeared.

Some time later, he got a call from her from the police station.

She had decided that she should have her husband's prized sports car, and still in possession of a key to it, went over to his apartment to take it from him. He got behind the car shouting that she could not take it.

She had it in reverse and floored the engine, running him over with both sets of wheels. The she put it into forward and ran him over again. Then reverse... then forward...

Something like 70 times before the police arrived.

Dad suggested that she needed a very specialized criminal attorney. He then never took a divorce case again.

I do hope she got life in prison for that.

202 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:16:51pm

re: #193 yenta-fada

Thanks for your insight. That all of the solutions attempted thus far have not worked can only be judged in hindsight. Although, I was a little alarmed at the 'let's throw some stuff down into the hole" attempt. It makes you wonder why no one could anticipate this sequence of events when you look at the live video feed.

As an aside, if there are huge quantities of oil being wasted and flowing into the Gulf of Mexico, why is the price of oil and the price of oil shares going down? I understand this upside down world when I talk about gold, but I don't have any insight into what seems to be a counter-intuitive arrangement in the world of oil and pricing.

well as bad as the spill is it is only one well & not enough to change supply or demand. the price is down because demand is down, demand is down because the economy is down.

203 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:17:03pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

I do hope she got life in prison for that.

I honestly don't know what happened to her. Dad of course did not give out any details that could identify her directly, and he only told the story some years after the fact.

204 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:17:07pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

I do hope she got life in prison for that.

Doesn't seem premeditated at first glance.

205 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:17:10pm

re: #193 yenta-fada

As an aside, if there are huge quantities of oil being wasted and flowing into the Gulf of Mexico, why is the price of oil and the price of oil shares going down? I understand this upside down world when I talk about gold, but I don't have any insight into what seems to be a counter-intuitive arrangement in the world of oil and pricing.

The quantities are huge in comparison to what the environment can handle, but tiny in comparison to world demand. Last week, a confluence of depressing global economic news drove oil prices down...with lower economic activity comes lower oil consumption.

206 Sionainn  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:17:43pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rand Paul announces bold new strategy.

He's a weenie.

207 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:18:52pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rand Paul announces bold new strategy.

It sucks when your handlers take away the keys to the interviewmobile.

208 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:19:02pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rand Paul announces bold new strategy.

Gotcha journalism, the asshole is against the CRA and it's a gotcha? Just a little thing? An unfair distraction to point out?

Pile of shit.

209 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:19:12pm

re: #200 albusteve

aww...victimizing himself...what a stud!

I don't care who they are, any politician who only wants to run scripted interviews or only work with reporters who are in his back pocket gets me pissed off. Its the same reason I wont vote for a few people in the CA elections tomorrow.

210 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:19:47pm

Barry Rubin has some interesting cultural analysis stemming from the photos incident.

Clash of Perceptions: A Picture is Worth 10,000 Academic Theories:

What if two groups are in conflict and have a completely different way of looking at the world, thus often misperceiving each other? Many Westerners say nowadays that their societies misunderstand the Middle East or Muslim-majority societies and the correct response is to apologize humbly, make amends through unilateral concessions that will prove they are nice, and avoid any possible offense.

But maybe the misunderstanding is in the opposite direction from what they think.

Consider this small example with big implications.

Hurriyet, a Turkish newspaper, ran as its lead article on page one a story about what it called photos the Israelis didn’t want the world to see. Many Westerners who read these words would expect to see some kind of atrocity—Israelis murdering or injuring people--that Israel wanted to hide. That's the implication in a Western context.

In other words, a large portion of Western intellectuals, media, academics, opinion-makers and policymakers are portraying the following image: Israel is too tough, cruel, and violent.

But that is not what Hurriyet is talking about, nor is it the perception of Israel’s actual enemies. For the picture doesn’t show Israeli soldiers shooting or beating. No, not at all.

It shows Israeli soldiers, beaten and captured by the Jihadis as crying.

Hurriyet claims that Israel somehow hid or erased these pictures “because the images of desperate, scared, and weeping soldiers would have harmed the image of the troops." [Incidentally, that’s untrue. Soldiers can be seen crying in the TV news coverage of almost every military funeral.]
...
Here’s what is important to understand:

The Western anti-Israeli narrative views Israel as bad because it is too violent, tough, unyielding, and so on. In contrast, it portrays those captured as victims, humanitarians, underdogs.

Israelis: tough; Flotilla activists: weak. It finds the latter more appealing.

But this Islamist and Middle Eastern narrative views Israel as bad because it is too weak, sentimental, yielding. In contrast, it portrays the flotilla warriors as courageous, macho, violent, and tough.

Israelis, weak; Flotilla activists: strong. It finds the latter more appealing.
...

Read The Whole Thing

211 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:20:06pm

re: #193 yenta-fada

As an aside, if there are huge quantities of oil being wasted and flowing into the Gulf of Mexico, why is the price of oil and the price of oil shares going down

In comparison to what the gulf can handle, the size of this spill is terribly huge

In comparison to what the worlds oil producers pump out per day, this is infinitesimal

212 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:20:26pm

re: #209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't care who they are, any politician who only wants to run scripted interviews or only work with reporters who are in his back pocket gets me pissed off. Its the same reason I wont vote for a few people in the CA elections tomorrow.

/teleprompter... you forgot the teleprompter.

213 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:21:19pm

re: #202 brookly red

well as bad as the spill is it is only one well...


However, as is common, the law of unintended consequences sticks its big nose in here. As a result of this disaster there is now a moratorium on off-shore drilling for 6 months. Longer period, increased (and rightfully so) regulations will impact oil drilling. Also, with a loss of capital (and capitalization) BP will be less able to afford other exploratory ventures.

In the end, everyone gets to pay for this mess.

214 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:22:08pm

Oh
my
God

Image: CATHOLIC-MAGAZINE.jpg

215 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:22:28pm

re: #204 JasonA

Doesn't seem premeditated at first glance.

Certainly aggravated though... If she had hit him once and cried "OMG I am so sorry" and some story , and then called for an ambulance, perhaps. Sometime after she threw it into forward and hit him again, and then reverse to hit him yet again, it gets a little easy to convince a jury of intent to kill. A good attorney and a sympathetic jury might cop a momentary insanity plea, particularly if they could claim she was a battered woman. However, I would definitely not want the job of having to defend her.

216 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:22:51pm

re: #209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't care who they are, any politician who only wants to run scripted interviews or only work with reporters who are in his back pocket gets me pissed off. Its the same reason I wont vote for a few people in the CA elections tomorrow.

Am Idol politics is all about third rate talkers and yankers...wtf would want to hold office anymore?...nobody with any common sense
it's not a trend, it's the establishment now

217 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:23:00pm

re: #214 JasonA

a little tone-deaf, eh?

218 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:23:22pm

re: #215 LudwigVanQuixote

I doubt she got off without a boatload of years, but I don't think it likely she got life.

219 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:23:23pm

re: #214 JasonA

It has seemed to me, for some time, that many religious ceremonies have a sexual side to them.

220 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:23:37pm

re: #214 JasonA

Oh
my
God

Image: CATHOLIC-MAGAZINE.jpg

GET THE EDITOR IN MY OFFICE NOW!

221 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:23:46pm

re: #214 JasonA

You misunderstand. That is the training guide.

/

222 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:23:51pm

re: #213 freetoken

However, as is common, the law of unintended consequences sticks its big nose in here. As a result of this disaster there is now a moratorium on off-shore drilling for 6 months. Longer period, increased (and rightfully so) regulations will impact oil drilling. Also, with a loss of capital (and capitalization) BP will be less able to afford other exploratory ventures.

In the end, everyone gets to pay for this mess.


Problem is, there are other innocent drilling companies and oil companies that will be affected my the six month (and I PRAY no longer) moratorium on off shore drilling

Guess the unemployment lines in and around the gulf are gonna get bigger!

223 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:24:11pm

re: #217 Aceofwhat?

a little tone-deaf, eh?

I would say a LOT tone-deaf.

224 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:24:19pm

Where are all the whistle-blowers when you need one?

225 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:24:21pm

re: #213 freetoken

However, as is common, the law of unintended consequences sticks its big nose in here. As a result of this disaster there is now a moratorium on off-shore drilling for 6 months. Longer period, increased (and rightfully so) regulations will impact oil drilling. Also, with a loss of capital (and capitalization) BP will be less able to afford other exploratory ventures.

In the end, everyone gets to pay for this mess.

Indeed. but BP is not the only player and just because we stop drilling does not mean other countries will, in fact they will be happy to step up production to make up for our moratorium.

226 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:24:31pm

re: #218 JasonA

I doubt she got off without a boatload of years, but I don't think it likely she got life.

Again, I really don't know.

227 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:24:54pm

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

See #214.

228 yenta-fada  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:25:46pm

Thanks for all the posts regarding oil pricing. When I see the horrible impact of oil flowing into a relatively confined area, I am caught up in the ecological and economic effects on people and wildlife. The bald fact is that oil is necessary to our way of life.

229 ryannon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:26:19pm

Repost of an earlier message from Kefirah:

Here is a published list of the soldiers still in need of a refuah shleimah [provided by the council of young israel]:

dean ben svetlana
roee ben shulamit
yotam ben dorit
ido ben ilana
boris ben eelaina
daniel lazar ben tina taabel leah

please daven [pray] for these brave individuals. identifying surnames have been removed by tzahal, for security purposes. it is the jewish tradition, when praying for healing, to pray using one's given name and the name of one's mother.

230 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:26:23pm

re: #228 yenta-fada

The bald fact is that oil is necessary to our way of life.

Only because we refuse to deploy other existing technologies.

231 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:26:53pm

re: #229 ryannon

Repost of an earlier message from Kefirah:

Here is a published list of the soldiers still in need of a refuah shleimah [provided by the council of young israel]:

dean ben svetlana
roee ben shulamit
yotam ben dorit
ido ben ilana
boris ben eelaina
daniel lazar ben tina taabel leah

please daven [pray] for these brave individuals. identifying surnames have been removed by tzahal, for security purposes. it is the jewish tradition, when praying for healing, to pray using one's given name and the name of one's mother.

Thank you for posting this.

232 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:26:54pm

re: #230 LudwigVanQuixote

Only because we refuse to deploy other existing technologies.

We would still need oil. Lots of it.

233 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:27:24pm

re: #214 JasonA

Oh
my
God

Image: CATHOLIC-MAGAZINE.jpg

Ah, I know where you've seen that... You need detox!

So do I.

234 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:27:47pm

re: #222 sattv4u2

Problem is, there are other innocent drilling companies and oil companies that will be affected my the six month (and I PRAY no longer) moratorium on off shore drilling

Guess the unemployment lines in and around the gulf are gonna get bigger!

Satt -
The 6-month moratorium - well, IT may end in six months.
But the rigs that are out there now are being leased long-term to companies to drill in other areas of the world. They cost $500,000 a day just sitting idle, so they cannot sit idle. They are beginning to be packed up and moved out now. Once gone, they will not be back.

So - the moratorium may end in six months.
Drilling, however, will be dead for much longer than that, I believe.
Unless something changes.
(New rigs, btw, take years to build. So there won't be new rigs being popped out to replace those that are leaving.)

235 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:27:50pm

re: #230 LudwigVanQuixote

Only because we refuse to deploy other existing technologies.

We do deploy them

They're just not as cost effective, plentiful, with as wide spread usage (think beyond gas) as oil

236 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:28:42pm

re: #234 reine.de.tout

hence my comment

Thanks for the facts

237 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:28:48pm

Rangel blasts Obama for acting like Bush

Over the weekend, Rangel blasted President Obama for his commitment to the war in Iraq, arguing that his motivation for U.S. involvement in the war matched that of the previous administration - to secure more oil for the United States.


"I challenge anyone to tell me we aren't there because of the oil," Rangel told the Daily News. "The lack of an honest explanation [for the war] is consistent with Bush and Cheney."


Rangel's comments came just a day before he formally announced that he would be seeking reelection despite facing charges of tax evasion and raising funds improperly. Republicans will likely continue to point to the charges to hammer Democrats in the run-up to the midterm elections.

238 ryannon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:29:12pm

re: #231 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you for posting this.

You're welcome. I'll make sure it appears again.

239 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:29:34pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

We do deploy them

They're just not as cost effective, plentiful, with as wide spread usage (think beyond gas) as oil

Not true at all. While there is admittedly a large startup cost, wind, smart grids and nuclear pay fr themselves. Germany, Denmark and Israel and the US navy have all successfully demonstrated this.

240 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:29:37pm

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

Where are all the whistle-blowers when you need one?

In the cover of Catholic Mag.

241 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:30:56pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rangel blasts Obama for acting like Bush

what a peach...

242 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:31:41pm

break out the UV goggles...here it comes

"The sun is waking up from a deep slumber, and in the next few years we expect to see much higher levels of solar activity. At the same time, our technological society has developed an unprecedented sensitivity to solar storms. The intersection of these two issues is what we're getting together to discuss."

[Link: science.nasa.gov...]

243 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:32:12pm

re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote

Not true at all. While there is admittedly a large startup cost, wind, smart grids and nuclear pay fr themselves. Germany, Denmark and Israel and the US navy have all successfully demonstrated this.

"not true at all", yet you contradict yourself when you state ""there is admittedly a large startup "

So as I stated, they are not as cost effective. We're talking RIGHT NOW,,,TODAY, not after the building/ cost/ years of payback of a Nuke plant. And please don;t forget, I'm one of THE largest proponents on here re: nuke power. I have lived within a mile of two seperate nuke facilities in the northeast

244 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:32:22pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rangel blasts Obama for acting like Bush

well read the writing on the wall...

245 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:33:29pm

re: #210 Joo-LiZ

Barry Rubin has some interesting cultural analysis stemming from the photos incident.

Clash of Perceptions: A Picture is Worth 10,000 Academic Theories:

Read The Whole Thing

It's odd that I can understand the Muslim view easier than the Western. I just don't get how American lefties can watch the Peace Activists kidnapping soldiers and still view the activists as the victims. Reuters is certainly aware that it's a fine line which is why they edited out the weapons. I have yet to hear a logical, factually accurate and honest reason from a lefty on this.

246 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:34:02pm

re: #197 brownbagj

For one thing, the busted well in the gulf was experimental and therefore not counted on to provide to the world supply. Second, a worldwide recession has cut demand.

No, it was intended to be a production well.

247 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:34:04pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rangel blasts Obama for acting like Bush

ahahaha!....the wacky world of politics...Rangle is a fucking crook and Pelosi continues to protect him

248 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:34:54pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

It's odd that I can understand the Muslim view easier than the Western. I just don't get how American lefties can watch the Peace Activists kidnapping soldiers and still view the activists as the victims. Reuters is certainly aware that it's a fine line which is why they edited out the weapons. I have yet to hear a logical, factually accurate and honest reason from a lefty on this.

You won't ever hear that argument. Those that willingly are ignorant are hiding their bigotry. Both on the right and left. Both sides have bigots, just for different reasons.

249 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:35:44pm

re: #246 Bagua

Intended at some point, but not to immediately affect supply. Hence what is trading is supply that was expected.

250 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:35:57pm

I found what appears to be unedited real time Al Jazeera coverage of the peace activist attack: Al Jazzera's live coverage of the Peace Activist Attack
With French subtitles.

251 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:36:20pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

It's odd that I can understand the Muslim view easier than the Western. I just don't get how American lefties can watch the Peace Activists kidnapping soldiers and still view the activists as the victims. Reuters is certainly aware that it's a fine line which is why they edited out the weapons. I have yet to hear a logical, factually accurate and honest reason from a lefty on this.

I can't give you a definitive answer, but I can speculate:

Because within the dichotomy of the lefty worldview, Israel is the ultimate aggressor. To them, without requiring evidence, Israel is seen as too tough, unfeeling, cruel. Therefore, any level of violence against Israel, by any sort of activists, is inherently weaker, and inherently justified.

That'd be my guess, anyway.

252 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:36:20pm

re: #183 albusteve

somewhere in that vast wasteland of TV signals is a John Wayne movie

Lol!

"Well pardon me all to hell!"

John Wayne The Shootist

253 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:37:09pm

re: #247 albusteve

ahahaha!...the wacky world of politics...Rangle is a fucking crook and Pelosi continues to protect him

his back is against the wall, he is desperate and even in deep blue NYC he is grasping at the slim chance that distancing himself from an unpopular president will save him... it won't.

254 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:37:11pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

With French subtitles.

Did they yell "I surrender" in this version?

255 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:38:07pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama anything like Bush? He should be so lucky.

256 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:38:08pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rangel blasts Obama for acting like Bush

Charlie R., of course, don' know nuthin' 'bout doin' shit for profit. Nossir.

257 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:38:18pm

re: #251 Joo-LiZ

I can't give you a definitive answer, but I can speculate:

Because within the dichotomy of the lefty worldview, Israel is the ultimate aggressor. To them, without requiring evidence, Israel is seen as too tough, unfeeling, cruel. Therefore, any level of violence against Israel, by any sort of activists, is inherently weaker, and inherently justified.

That'd be my guess, anyway.

To be fair to our lefty friends, that's the dichotomy of some lefty worldviews.

Many others, at least here in the US, don't have that cataract. The international left...eh...they're pretty bad.

258 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:38:27pm

re: #251 Joo-LiZ

I can't give you a definitive answer, but I can speculate:

Because within the dichotomy of the lefty worldview, Israel is the ultimate aggressor. To them, without requiring evidence, Israel is seen as too tough, unfeeling, cruel. Therefore, any level of violence against Israel, by any sort of activists, is inherently weaker, and inherently justified.

That'd be my guess, anyway.

That's probably pretty accurate.

259 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:39:18pm

re: #254 brownbagj

Did they yell "I surrender" in this version?

No but I had a hell of a time finding the French word for "captured"

260 Sionainn  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:39:44pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

It's odd that I can understand the Muslim view easier than the Western. I just don't get how American lefties can watch the Peace Activists kidnapping soldiers and still view the activists as the victims. Reuters is certainly aware that it's a fine line which is why they edited out the weapons. I have yet to hear a logical, factually accurate and honest reason from a lefty on this.

Yikes! I'm a "lefty," but I certainly didn't think those were "peace activists" nor did I think Reuters "inadvertently" cropped out the weapons in the photos.

261 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:40:11pm

re: #257 Aceofwhat?

To be fair to our lefty friends, that's the dichotomy of some lefty worldviews.

Many others, at least here in the US, don't have that cataract. The international left...eh...they're pretty bad.

"left" and "right" labeling continues to be silly.

262 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:40:36pm

Is This Woman Too Hot To Be a Banker?


No.

263 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:40:51pm

re: #261 cliffster

"left" and "right" labeling continues to be silly.

It would depend on your facing really.

264 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:41:37pm

re: #262 JasonA

Is This Woman Too Hot To Be a Banker?


No.

Not really.

265 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:41:43pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rangel blasts Obama for acting like Bush

More from that link:

Rangel's fate may lie with the House Ethics Committee investigation. Democratic strategists believe that if the committee releases evidence against Rangel prior to the September 14th Democratic primary, he could suffer a defeat. But if he is cleared or if the investigation continues past the primaries, there is strong likelihood that he could win his seat for the 21st time.

I may be reading this wrong.
But it sounds like strategists want the Ethics Committee to handle this as a political matter, not an ethics matter. In other words, they're trying to figure out the best outcome from all of this, rather than figuring out how to deal with ethics violations.

266 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:41:58pm

re: #262 JasonA

Is This Woman Too Hot To Be a Banker?

No.

Banker? I don't even know her!

267 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:04pm

re: #261 cliffster

"left" and "right" labeling continues to be silly.

I was trying to be gentle with Joo-Liz, who doesn't seem to have a bad intention in their body...

268 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:13pm

re: #193 yenta-fada

Thanks for your insight. That all of the solutions attempted thus far have not worked can only be judged in hindsight. Although, I was a little alarmed at the 'let's throw some stuff down into the hole" attempt. It makes you wonder why no one could anticipate this sequence of events when you look at the live video feed.

As an aside, if there are huge quantities of oil being wasted and flowing into the Gulf of Mexico, why is the price of oil and the price of oil shares going down? I understand this upside down world when I talk about gold, but I don't have any insight into what seems to be a counter-intuitive arrangement in the world of oil and pricing.

The Oil Price has numerous influences. The recent drop went lockstep with the broader markets, and it a reflection of the excessively high price and a belief that the economy is slowing down and less oil will be used. Oil has been moving with the markets like this for some time now.

The amount of the spill itself it minuscule in terms of oil supply, though the well never producing has implications, but not enough to change the market price for all oil.

The Oil price did spike when Obama announced the moratorium. But this effect will take months to really influence supply, and as that included front months, it was a typical knee jerk reaction.

In the longer run we will almost certainly see much higher oil prices, but not because of the loss of the one well, because of the resulting moratorium.

In terms of the reservoir size, it is likely about ten times larger than BP has announced, and will indeed leak for years should the relief wells fail, as they very well may.

269 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:13pm

re: #254 brownbagj

Did they yell "I surrender" in this version?

I see this conversation is going to require my getting some nutrition.

270 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:15pm

re: #262 JasonA

Nice jugs!

271 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:20pm

Is it wrong that I'm enjoying the brief break from right wing craziness? We've had 2 years of right wing folks going absolutely nutso. I'm enjoying some good old fashioned left-wing silliness.

PS, I'm moving my family from Jax to DC so posting has been spotty. Cut me some slack!!

272 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:25pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I found what appears to be unedited real time Al Jazeera coverage of the peace activist attack: Al Jazzera's live coverage of the Peace Activist Attack
With French subtitles.

Excellent catch!

273 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:41pm

re: #262 JasonA

Is This Woman Too Hot To Be a Banker?

No.

how many times a day does she hear some BS that start with "I'd like to make a deposit"?

274 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:47pm

Roto Reuters is as crooked as a news company can get, just not illegal

275 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:42:54pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

No but I had a hell of a time finding the French word for "captured"

And yet..I'd sign on to allow the French to run the entire expanded US Nuclear Powerplant System voted into law...
Cause you know..The American Public is so P*ssy about Nuclear power.
I'd hire the French in a New York Second

276 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:43:01pm

re: #262 JasonA

Is This Woman Too Hot To Be a Banker?

No.

I could see where someone would want to make a deposit.

277 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:43:26pm

re: #273 brookly red

how many times a day does she hear some BS that start with "I'd like to make a deposit"?

Damnit, you beat me by 20 seconds.

278 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:43:55pm

re: #265 reine.de.tout

I may be reading this wrong.
But it sounds like strategists want the Ethics Committee to handle this as a political matter, not an ethics matter. In other words, they're trying to figure out the best outcome from all of this, rather than figuring out how to deal with ethics violations.

the feds, your tax dollars at work....happy?

279 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:44:03pm

re: #271 rwdflynavy

Is it wrong that I'm enjoying the brief break from right wing craziness? We've had 2 years of right wing folks going absolutely nutso. I'm enjoying some good old fashioned left-wing silliness.

PS, I'm moving my family from Jax to DC so posting has been spotty. Cut me some slack!!

Not to worry, right wingers are still being morons as we speak.

280 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:44:07pm

re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It would depend on your facing really.

I still have trouble saying west coast instead of left coast...

281 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:44:17pm

re: #257 Aceofwhat?

To be fair to our lefty friends, that's the dichotomy of some lefty worldviews.

Many others, at least here in the US, don't have that cataract. The international left...eh...they're pretty bad.

Yes.

I suppose I should I really be more careful.

I know who I'm referring to when I say "lefty" but I there is definitely a lot of room for misinterpretation.

282 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:44:35pm

So, have the so-called "conservative" blogs noticed the Reuters thing yet, and if so, how are they dealing with the source?

LGF given credit? Or are they just stealing it?

And is cognitive dissonance something that might be treatable under Obamacare?

Sure hope so, because morally speaking, Spencer, Geller, and the Borgmocrats are bankrupt.

283 Kragar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:44:54pm

re: #280 brookly red

I still have trouble saying west coast instead of left coast...

So do you say right coast as well?

284 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:45:02pm

re: #251 Joo-LiZ

That guess would be often wrong :p

285 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:45:03pm

re: #225 brookly red

Indeed. but BP is not the only player and just because we stop drilling does not mean other countries will, in fact they will be happy to step up production to make up for our moratorium.

This is probably true.

But those jobs in those other countries aren't going to feed the families of the folks in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Texas who are now out of work.

286 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:45:51pm

re: #265 reine.de.tout

I may be reading this wrong.
But it sounds like strategists want the Ethics Committee to handle this as a political matter, not an ethics matter. In other words, they're trying to figure out the best outcome from all of this, rather than figuring out how to deal with ethics violations.

screw it, that is why we have courts...

287 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:46:02pm

re: #271 rwdflynavy

re: #279 cliffster

Not to worry, right wingers are still being morons as we speak.

And lefties were NOT not being morons for those past two years. They just have been out-moroned by the right at times

288 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:46:22pm

re: #284 windsagio

That guess would be often wrong :p

I'm referring to the mentality of the knee-jerk blame-Israel crowd specifically. Not the general "left"

289 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:46:23pm

re: #266 cliffster

Banker? I don't even know her!

The irony, of course, is that she's going to make a lot more money with the modeling job offers she'll get because of her news exposure than she would have made working for the bank. Hello new career!

290 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:46:37pm

re: #287 sattv4u2

re: #279 cliffster

And lefties were NOT not being morons for those past two years. They just have been out-moroned by the right at times

It does seem like a race to the bottom.

291 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:46:40pm

re: #285 reine.de.tout

This is probably true.

But those jobs in those other countries aren't going to feed the families of the folks in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Texas who are now out of work.

I did not say I supported it, I only pointed out the futility...

292 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:46:41pm

re: #287 sattv4u2

re: #279 cliffster

And lefties were NOT not being morons for those past two years. They just have been substantially out-moroned by the right at times

FixT :D

293 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:47:06pm

re: #289 darthstar

The irony, of course, is that she's going to make a lot more money with the modeling job offers she'll get because of her news exposure than she would have made working for the bank. Hello new career!

*sigh* A new career that's defined by her looks instead of her other talents?

294 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:47:39pm

re: #293 JasonA

*sigh* A new career that's defined by her looks instead of her other talents?

The money spends the same whatever career brought it to you.

295 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:47:41pm

re: #283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So do you say right coast as well?

Why yes,, yes I do

I was born and raised in Boston
I have a place on the coast in South Carolina

I have been to the left coast any number of times on business and vacation

I ALWAYS say that I'mk on the "RIGHT" coast!~

296 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:47:55pm

re: #283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So do you say right coast as well?

yes, and I still call it 6th avenue...

297 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:48:43pm

re: #293 JasonA

*sigh* A new career that's defined by her looks instead of her other talents?

Yes, for starters. If she's articulate, she'll have a career in media if she wants it. There's nothing wrong with being beautiful.

299 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:49:18pm

re: #295 sattv4u2

Why yes,, yes I do

I was born and raised in Boston
I have a place on the coast in South Carolina

I have been to the left coast any number of times on business and vacation

I ALWAYS say that I'mk on the "RIGHT" coast!~

time to redesignate
Right coast and Wrong coast

300 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:49:22pm

re: #292 windsagio

FixT :D

Nahh ,, it's just that the right has center stage right now because a Dem is in the White House. The other two rings in the circus are still active, but not in the spotlight

The stages will change come 2012

301 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:49:40pm

re: #293 JasonA

*sigh* A new career that's defined by her looks instead of her other talents?

/look, I am her agent and we are talking to Fox so piss off OK?

302 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:49:53pm

re: #282 Cato the Elder

So, have the so-called "conservative" blogs noticed the Reuters thing yet, and if so, how are they dealing with the source?...

Well, I didn't find one at TownHall... but I did find there a defense of Art Robinson by no less than Patrick J. Michaels, well known for his own deceptions.

So, from that website anyway, we can gather that defending wingnut theocrats is more important than exposing poor journalism about Israel.

303 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:50:19pm

re: #298 windsagio

Can anyone tell me what this cartoon is even supposed to mean? I'm at a loss.

It looks to me to be saying that Israel is binding itself to conflict...and in a not too subtle way.

304 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:50:21pm

re: #299 albusteve

time to redesignate
Right coast and Wrong coast

No,, I like San Diego (in particular) on the left coast

BUT ,,, nice place to visit,, wouldn;t want to live there and all that

305 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:50:26pm

re: #300 sattv4u2

Do'nt make me say 'false equivalence', we've been over this territory a million times. Nobody significant on the left was calling the president "Niggar", or advocating violent revolt ;)

306 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:50:59pm

re: #303 darthstar

I guess >

307 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:51:52pm

re: #298 windsagio

Can anyone tell me what this cartoon is even supposed to mean? I'm at a loss.

easy it is to suggest that the "shooter" will eventually expend himself... I disagree but I can interpret.

308 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:51:57pm

re: #272 Joo-LiZ

Excellent catch!

It's a little dull, nothing too incriminating other than verifying the live fire didn't happening until after the hostages were taken. I figure the hostage takers are bound to proudly post videos of them beating the hostages eventually keep your eyes peeled on youtube over the next week or so. I just know they're going to publish it.

309 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:52:03pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

It's been boringly sunny and in the 70's the past month. I could see why you wouldn't want to live here.

310 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:52:12pm

re: #305 windsagio

Do'nt make me say 'false equivalence', we've been over this territory a million times. Nobody significant on the left was calling the president "Niggar", or advocating violent revolt ;)

No. Just his impeachment/ death/ hanging/ Hiltler comparisons/ stupid meme

[Link: www.google.com...]

311 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:52:13pm

re: #305 windsagio

Do'nt make me say 'false equivalence', we've been over this territory a million times. Nobody significant on the left was calling the president "Niggar", or advocating violent revolt ;)

They did call him hitler, mcchimpy etc.

312 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:52:30pm

re: #307 brookly red

Again thanks, I literally had no idea, altho I admit I presumed it was negative in SOME way, being from Lebanon.

313 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:52:47pm

re: #303 darthstar

It looks to me to be saying that Israel is binding itself to conflict...and in a not too subtle way.

Jimmy Carter must have drawn it.

314 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:53:07pm

re: #309 freetoken

It's been boringly sunny and in the 70's the past month. I could see why you wouldn't want to live here.


CA?....hahaha, you must be kidding

315 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:53:29pm

re: #310 sattv4u2

re: #311 brownbagj

Synchronicity!

Substantially more fringe groups did, and ones without support from mainstream politicians (again tho', this argument has been done a million times, down to the exact same phraseology :p)

316 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:53:49pm

Where in the world is Osama bin Laden?

From the sensationalist DEBKAfile, a Kuwaiti paper seems to have the answer:

Osama bin Laden's hiding place was pinned down for the first time Monday, June 7, by the Kuwaiti Al-Siyassa Monday, June 7, as the mountainous town of Savzevar in the northeastern Iranian province of Khorasan, 220 km west of Mashhad. He is said to have lived there under Tehran's protection for the last five years, along with Ayman Al-Zawahiri and five other high-ranking al Qaeda leaders.
debkafile's intelligence sources disclosed Monday night that Turkish prime minister Recep Erdogan and his intelligence chiefs are well aware that Bin Laden and Zawahiri are hiding in Iran. The leak to the Kuwait paper was intended to show the Obama administration that the Turkish leader's ties with Iran had grown intense enough for him to be fully in the picture of Iran's secret sanctuary for the authors of the 9/11 attacks on the United States.

...

debkafile's counter-terror sources disclose that the purpose of airing their precise whereabouts at this time, aside from implicating the Turkish leader, was first, to warn al Qaeda's leaders that their hideout was blown and they had better move on - which would make them easier to catch; and, second, to nudge US president Barak Obama into a decision to go after them.

A rare opportunity may now be building up to capture the world's most wanted terrorist, debkafile's counter-terror sources report. Last December, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates acknowledged the United States has not had any good intelligence on bin Laden's whereabouts in years. Until recently, the elusive master-terrorist was generally thought to have gone to ground in the wilder parts of Pakistan-Afghanistan border region.

This should obviously await the 24hr (or 48hr... or several-week-long) smell test. But it is some exciting speculation nonetheless.

317 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:53:57pm

re: #309 freetoken

It's been boringly sunny and in the 70's the past month. I could see why you wouldn't want to live here.

I'm in Atlanta

Last two months I wake up to mid sixties, hits low 80's in the middle of the day, back to cool nights

In PAwleys Island S.C. I'm greeted with cool ocean breezes on chrystal clear days

318 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:54:01pm

re: #309 freetoken

It's been boringly sunny and in the 70's the past month. I could see why you wouldn't want to live here.

there's more to life than the temperature of the air around you..

319 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:54:11pm

re: #234 reine.de.tout

Indeed.

Just the six month moratorium should result in a decline in new production of about 3 to 4 hundred thousand barrels per day. This new production is the only thing keeping US production stable as onshore and shallow wells run dry. This is enough to influence the oil price, but not by very much.

Longer term though, there is no such thing as a six month moratorium. The rigs cost $500,000 per day just to sit idle. They wont. They are already moving rigs, men and materials out of the Gulf and this will continue. Those rigs will not be back anytime soon, if ever. They will be occupied drilling were they go next.

New regulations, if and when the moratorium is lifted, would also add several years to the time needed to build new rigs. This six month moratorium will at minimum cause a six year delay in getting back to where we were, perhaps ten years. And that assumes the moratorium is lifted after six months.

I think this is a brave decision by Obama as it likely will mean no second term for him. It was a chance to impose a de facto Cap on the oil industry, with wide public support and sounding perfectly reasonable in light of events. Another beneficial crisis. For good or for bad depends on one's perspective.

320 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:54:17pm

re: #310 sattv4u2

No. Just his impeachment/ death/ hanging/ Hiltler comparisons/ stupid meme

[Link: www.google.com...]

People do tend to react negatively to warmongers.

321 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:54:30pm

re: #243 sattv4u2

"not true at all", yet you contradict yourself when you state ""there is admittedly a large startup "

So as I stated, they are not as cost effective. We're talking RIGHT NOW,,,TODAY, not after the building/ cost/ years of payback of a Nuke plant. And please don;t forget, I'm one of THE largest proponents on here re: nuke power. I have lived within a mile of two seperate nuke facilities in the northeast

No contradiction at all. The large startup is covered when the programs pay for themselves. If you care to look at the actual economics of this, as done by professionals, who actually care about math, look at this from Cornell.


[Link: courses.cit.cornell.edu...]

Or this from Germany.


[Link: www.sciencedirect.com...]

After you digest these, we can talk about wind in particular. However that would require you for one, actually reading the facts.

322 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:55:14pm

re: #319 Bagua

The supply won't go away, and as we've agreed, they shouldn't be doing deep drilling in our territories until they can deal better with accidents anyways.

323 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:55:38pm

re: #314 albusteve

CA?...hahaha, you must be kidding

Are you trashing California? My Birthplace? My Home?
Please don't..You are not worthy...
*wink*

324 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:55:45pm

re: #315 windsagio

So why bring it up every time?

I think both sides have plenty of teh crazy. I am not proud of either. You seem to be ok "with not having as much."

This is not quantifiable. We can, for every right wing example show a left wing. What would that get us? Nothing, other than again to show that both sides have plenty of ugly craziness.

To say otherwise is dishonest.

325 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:56:10pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

It's a little dull, nothing too incriminating other than verifying the live fire didn't happening until after the hostages were taken. I figure the hostage takers are bound to proudly post videos of them beating the hostages eventually keep your eyes peeled on youtube over the next week or so. I just know they're going to publish it.

Just past the 2 minute mark, the anchor says Israel fired some sort of canister aboard, and that passengers were already injured.

326 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:56:17pm

re: #320 darthstar

People do tend to react negatively to warmongers.

You mean Obama? Good point, he is overseeing two wars at the moment, one which he has dramatically escalated.

327 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:56:36pm

re: #317 sattv4u2

Me too. I love it here.

328 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:56:36pm

re: #319 Bagua

Also, I think you're crazy that this will cost him his second term :p

Whatever votes he'll lose from drilling job losses will be made up by 'standing up to the oil industry'.

329 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:56:57pm

re: #324 brownbagj

Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong :P

330 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:57:23pm

re: #323 HoosierHoops

Are you trashing California? My Birthplace? My Home?
Please don't..You are not worthy...
*wink*

California used to be part of Texas, but we kicked yall out

331 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:57:24pm

re: #323 HoosierHoops

Are you trashing California? My Birthplace? My Home?
Please don't..You are not worthy...
*wink*

Youtube Video
332 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:58:17pm

Its funny by the way, all these people that haven't posted for centuries all of a sudden come out of the woodwork when there's some Israel red meat ;)

333 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:58:31pm

re: #330 cliffster

California used to be part of Texas, but we kicked yall out

bah....New Mexico didn't even want them

334 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:58:36pm

re: #326 Bagua

You mean Obama? Good point, he is overseeing two wars at the moment, one which he has dramatically escalated.

I'm not happy that Obama has continued (and escalated) our activity in the two wars Bush started...but when a dog shits in your yard and leaves you can either leave the mess there or clean it up...and those are two heaping piles of shit Bush left behind.

335 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:58:38pm

re: #321 LudwigVanQuixote

No contradiction at all. The large startup is covered when the programs pay for themselves. If you care to look at the actual economics of this, as done by professionals, who actually care about math, look at this from Cornell.


[Link: courses.cit.cornell.edu...]

Or this from Germany.


[Link: www.sciencedirect.com...]

After you digest these, we can talk about wind in particular. However that would require you for one, actually reading the facts.

"facts" are, there hasn't been a new nuke plant online in over 15 years
"facts" are, there are only two new ones even under consideration
"facts" are out of the existing US plants only a handful of them are expanding

What part of the "I'M A NUKE PROPONENT" didn't you understand?

336 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:58:48pm

re: #325 Joo-LiZ

Just past the 2 minute mark, the anchor says Israel fired some sort of canister aboard, and that passengers were already injured.

I thought that was interesting too. It shows they did make and effort to clear the deck before boarding. My guess is the gas masks and wash from the helicopter helped the attackers stay in the area.

337 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:59:06pm

re: #332 windsagio

Its funny by the way, all these people that haven't posted for centuries all of a sudden come out of the woodwork when there's some Israel red meat ;)

beats all I ever saw

338 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:59:11pm

re: #334 darthstar

Hey, maybe bagua would like it if we just pulled everyone out immediately ;)

339 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:59:17pm

re: #332 windsagio

Its funny by the way, all these people that haven't posted for centuries all of a sudden come out of the woodwork when there's some Israel red meat ;)

To be fair, there hasn't been much on Israel in a long time, aside from the occasional posts.

This is quite a large serving, all at once!

340 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:59:30pm

re: #329 windsagio

Agreed! :)

341 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:59:36pm

And on that note


Shower time!

342 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 3:59:44pm

re: #339 Joo-LiZ

Not saying its BAD >>

Just always fun trying to spot patterns.

343 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:00:17pm

re: #334 darthstar

I'm not happy that Obama has continued (and escalated) our activity in the two wars Bush started...but when a dog shits in your yard and leaves you can either leave the mess there or clean it up...and those are two heaping piles of shit Bush left behind.

good gawd...you are a truly disturbed partisan

344 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:00:17pm

re: #341 sattv4u2

And on that note

Shower time!

Is it Monday already?

345 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:00:20pm

re: #332 windsagio

Its funny by the way, all these people that haven't posted for centuries all of a sudden come out of the woodwork when there's some Israel red meat ;)

On the other hand, some have become scarce.

346 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:00:37pm

re: #262 JasonA

Is This Woman Too Hot To Be a Banker?

No.

ZOIMG! Bingo-boingo! Bonkers, I am! Can't control myself! Put on a burka, baby!

These employers are basically taking the Islamic view of female sexuality.

347 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:00:43pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I thought that was interesting too. It shows they did make and effort to clear the deck before boarding. My guess is the gas masks and wash from the helicopter helped the attackers stay in the area.

The Israelis are setting up an internal IDF investigation about the tactics, as well as some sort of separate state commission with at least 2 international observers (one american).

The internal one is to make sure it doesn't happen again. The separate one is to make the world happy (although it obviously won't)

348 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:00:55pm

re: #345 wrenchwench

I don't blame them. I saw it was another "Reuters" post, and almost said 'well I'll come back tomorrow' ;)

349 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:01:26pm

re: #342 windsagio

Not saying its BAD >>

Just always fun trying to spot patterns.

Go for it...all the spot patterns you like. :)

350 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:01:30pm

re: #328 windsagio

Also, I think you're crazy that this will cost him his second term :p

Whatever votes he'll lose from drilling job losses will be made up by 'standing up to the oil industry'.


no the economy will cost him his second term... I know you love the guy but he is so unpopular even Rangel is trying to save his own ass buy distancing him self from him. It is what it is.

351 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:01:53pm

re: #335 sattv4u2

"facts" are, there hasn't been a new nuke plant online in over 15 years
"facts" are, there are only two new ones even under consideration
"facts" are out of the existing US plants only a handful of them are expanding

What part of the "I'M A NUKE PROPONENT" didn't you understand?

What part of, shifting the goal posts to cover your foolish and false statements won't fly did you miss Satt?

I am gald you are a nuke proponent. As I said, when discussion relevent technologies to make us oil independent, smart grids, wind and nuclear would do the job. Those technologies exist and are, contrary to your false claims, profitable if implemented.

As always, on LGF, read the facts and look at the evidence first. Most importantly (with me at least) know the math before arguing and making a fool of yourself.

352 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:02:17pm

re: #348 windsagio

I don't blame them. I saw it was another "Reuters" post, and almost said 'well I'll come back tomorrow' ;)

But why? Is the topic uncomfortable? Boring? Disagreeable?

353 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:02:28pm

re: #322 windsagio

The supply won't go away, and as we've agreed, they shouldn't be doing deep drilling in our territories until they can deal better with accidents anyways.

We didn't agree. That was my initial position, but I have since modified it after serious consideration.

I do expect to see regulations that rule out that sort of accident and that sort of well design. This should be immediate.

I also want to see better recovery technology and better BOP technology developed, and deployed when ready.

But there is no need for a moratorium. Just a check to verify that no wells being drilled now follow the procedures and design that led to the preventable blowout.

The six month moratorium is a death blow to the drilling industry in the Gulf. It is overkill and the impact on those states economies will be much larger and much longer in duration than the (likely) effect of the spill. I say likely with the assumption that they can kill it in two months. The knock-on effect on the US economy will dwarf the spill and the drilling ban. We all sink with that boat.

354 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:02:34pm

re: #350 brookly red

And you guys call me the starry-eyed idealist >>

Keep on hopin'!

355 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:03:15pm

re: #352 wrenchwench

Because there's too much emotion involved with the topic, so you can't argue from a dissenting view without things going effing crazy.

356 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:03:22pm

re: #354 windsagio

And you guys call me the starry-eyed idealist >>

Keep on hopin'!

no that is not what I called you at all ;)

357 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:03:43pm

re: #353 Bagua

We did agree, altho' you may have changed your position :p

358 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:03:53pm

re: #346 Cato the Elder

ZOIMG! Bingo-boingo! Bonkers, I am! Can't control myself! Put on a burka, baby!

These employers are basically taking the Islamic view of female sexuality.

Somehow, the image of you being sexually aroused just doesn't compile...odd, that.
/

359 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:04:42pm

re: #343 albusteve

good gawd...you are a truly disturbed partisan

Why? Because I can be critical of Obama as well as Bush?

360 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:04:46pm

re: #358 darthstar

Somehow, the image of you being sexually aroused just doesn't compile...odd, that.
/

please don't say, "image of Cato sexually aroused". don't ever say that.

361 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:05:10pm

re: #356 brookly red

Anyways, presuming the economy stays relatively stable, I'm pretty damn sure the big political issue in 2012 will be the GOP's continued descent into crazytown.

362 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:05:12pm

re: #322 windsagio

The supply won't go away, and as we've agreed, they shouldn't be doing deep drilling in our territories until they can deal better with accidents anyways.

Of course the supply from the GOM will be reduced by the six month moratorium and the know on effects I've described. This is not in question. Now you could argue that the world supply will stay stable assuming those re-deployed rigs hit oil in Africa and South America, that I will allow. But US domestic supply will hit a decline.

363 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:05:38pm

re: #359 darthstar

Why? Because I can be critical of Obama as well as Bush?

The things you people consider criticism of Obama just amaze me.

364 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:05:40pm

The moonbattery never ends:

Spanish "Gay Pride" organizers tell Israelis not to attend their event.

Organizers of Madrid's pride parade, scheduled for the beginning of next month, have announced that they are cancelling the invitation of Israeli representatives slated to appear there, Ynet learned Monday.

The Israeli delegation, made up of members of the LGBT association and the Foreign Ministry, was scheduled to run an Israeli "bus" in the parade, for the first time since its establishment.

But the delegation has recently received hints from Spain that their arrival may cause anger among local pro-Palestinian groups, which may require excess security and, more importantly, cause a lot of embarrassment.

365 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:06:36pm

re: #362 Bagua

Which will be adjusted in the market price for fuel (which has some advantages really), and we'll still have these reserves available when the world supply is past peak.

The 'shortage' you're talking about really just comes down to an adjustment in the price point.

366 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:06:39pm

re: #358 darthstar

Somehow, the image of you being sexually aroused just doesn't compile...odd, that.
/

?

The image of you apologizing for wishing a slow painful death on your political enemy doesn't quite add up, in my book.

Funny how these things work out.

367 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:07:04pm

re: #353 Bagua

In American politics the waging tongues are demanding that the President do something. I suggest that the moratorium is designed to help satiate that desire to do something.

The GoM is our most important petroleum province. We're not going to give up producing from there.

368 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:07:18pm

re: #363 cliffster

I do wish he'd gotten single-payer out of congress :P

369 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:07:35pm

re: #350 brookly red

no the economy will cost him his second term... I know you love the guy but he is so unpopular even Rangel is trying to save his own ass buy distancing him self from him. It is what it is.

wrong, he's already the Greatest President ever to serve...get on board and LISTEN to him

370 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:08:02pm

re: #355 windsagio

Because there's too much emotion involved with the topic, so you can't argue from a dissenting view without things going effing crazy.

You could say the same about the posts on "bad craziness" and stuff, but that didn't keep anyone away.

Except the hardcore righties.

But in this case,

Hmmm....

371 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:08:16pm

re: #348 windsagio

I don't blame them. I saw it was another "Reuters" post, and almost said 'well I'll come back tomorrow' ;)

you can still do that

372 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:08:29pm

re: #361 windsagio

Anyways, presuming the economy stays relatively stable, I'm pretty damn sure the big political issue in 2012 will be the GOP's continued descent into crazytown.

dude you call it stable because you have work, but there are 20 million who don't and when the current budgets expire in 2011 and the public sector layoffs start all bets are off.

373 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:08:33pm

re: #370 wrenchwench

don't Hmmm... Say something or don't :p

Want an example tho'?

374 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:09:11pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

It's a little dull, nothing too incriminating other than verifying the live fire didn't happening until after the hostages were taken. I figure the hostage takers are bound to proudly post videos of them beating the hostages eventually keep your eyes peeled on youtube over the next week or so. I just know they're going to publish it.

I caught a few bits, left a comment there, but we need ryannon to go there and translate that French, it was up and down too fast for me to figure it out

375 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:09:14pm

re: #363 cliffster

The things you people consider criticism of Obama just amaze me.

For the record, I don't find images of Obama with a Hitler mustache critical of him, so much as a statement about the people holding the signs. Same went for Bush. Not being happy with a policy is, in fact, being critical.

One problem we have in this country is that people no longer understand simple English. Calling the President a sekrit mooslim isn't critical, it's stupid. Saying you think he should be more aggressive toward bankers/Wall Street/BP/Iran/Israel/Hamas/North Korea/whatever is.

376 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:09:29pm

re: #373 windsagio

don't Hmmm... Say something or don't :p

Want an example tho'?

Sure.

377 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:09:42pm

re: #372 brookly red

dude you call it stable because you have work, but there are 20 million who don't and when the current budgets expire in 2011 and the public sector layoffs start all bets are off.

The economy is shit. It's incredible that anyone is trying to make it seem otherwise.

378 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:10:02pm

re: #355 windsagio

Because there's too much emotion involved with the topic, so you can't argue from a dissenting view without things going effing crazy.

'effing crazy' is all in your head noob....you have almost nothing to contrast to make that statement

379 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:10:14pm

re: #366 Cato the Elder

?

The image of you apologizing for wishing a slow painful death on your political enemy doesn't quite add up, in my book.

Funny how these things work out.

Good point. Enjoy your moment of stimulation in peace.

380 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:10:25pm

Ah, I see the stalkers have a new thread up detailing how I stole the Reuters story from Elder of Zion. I guess they now look pretty stupid now that he and I have talked about it and he even amended his post stating that I beat them to the story by 5 minutes. Idiots.
I have no hard feelings towards Elder and it was my mistake to let the stalkers get under my skin.

381 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:10:32pm

re: #372 brookly red

I follow the numbers man, and its 'stable'. Most of the economic numbers are trending positive right now (well I think the market took a bullet again today, but its been fluctuating like crazy due to Europe's problems).

Seriously, If things stay as they are now (which is a big 'if') Obama will cruise into a second term. I'd put money on it, but internet bets are a joke.

382 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:11:18pm

re: #375 darthstar

For the record, I don't find images of Obama with a Hitler mustache critical of him, so much as a statement about the people holding the signs. Same went for Bush. Not being happy with a policy is, in fact, being critical.

One problem we have in this country is that people no longer understand simple English. Calling the President a sekrit mooslim isn't critical, it's stupid. Saying you think he should be more aggressive toward bankers/Wall Street/BP/Iran/Israel/Hamas/North Korea/whatever is.

Quoted for freakin' truth!

383 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:11:28pm

re: #334 darthstar

I'm not happy that Obama has continued (and escalated) our activity in the two wars Bush started...but when a dog shits in your yard and leaves you can either leave the mess there or clean it up...and those are two heaping piles of shit Bush left behind.

So by your crude and overinflated rhetoric Obama is a "war monger" like the evil Bush/Cheney/Hitler?

What a load of crap you post.

384 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:11:36pm

re: #319 Bagua

Indeed.

Just the six month moratorium should result in a decline in new production of about 3 to 4 hundred thousand barrels per day. This new production is the only thing keeping US production stable as onshore and shallow wells run dry. This is enough to influence the oil price, but not by very much.

Longer term though, there is no such thing as a six month moratorium. The rigs cost $500,000 per day just to sit idle. They wont. They are already moving rigs, men and materials out of the Gulf and this will continue. Those rigs will not be back anytime soon, if ever. They will be occupied drilling were they go next.

New regulations, if and when the moratorium is lifted, would also add several years to the time needed to build new rigs. This six month moratorium will at minimum cause a six year delay in getting back to where we were, perhaps ten years. And that assumes the moratorium is lifted after six months.

I think this is a brave decision by Obama as it likely will mean no second term for him. It was a chance to impose a de facto Cap on the oil industry, with wide public support and sounding perfectly reasonable in light of events. Another beneficial crisis. For good or for bad depends on one's perspective.

I see no huge outcry over this moratorium, so I'm guessing most folks are seeing it as a good thing, OR it hasn't hit home to them what it will mean in terms of gas prices and the US reliance on imports.

385 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:11:52pm

re: #374 reine.de.tout

I caught a few bits, left a comment there, but we need ryannon to go there and translate that French, it was up and down too fast for me to figure it out

I only highlighten the statements that I thought I could understand. I might be wrong and there might be more interesting information in the report. I just don't remember enough French to tell for sure.

386 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:12:03pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

OK try this (gotta test my reverse psychology :p):

"If this Reuters thing wasn't about Israel everyone would be laughing about the crazy conspiracy theorists."

387 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:12:08pm

re: #359 darthstar

Why? Because I can be critical of Obama as well as Bush?

Afghanistan is the war BO wanted...now he's got it and he can do anything he wants with it...to continuously drag GB into these discussions is juvenile

388 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:12:23pm

re: #378 albusteve

'effing crazy' is all in your head noob...you have almost nothing to contrast to make that statement

What about your own head noobyou have almost nothing to contrast to make that statement?

389 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:12:44pm

re: #332 windsagio

Its funny by the way, all these people that haven't posted for centuries all of a sudden come out of the woodwork when there's some Israel red meat ;)

And you have a problem with that - because - why?

390 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:12:44pm

re: #328 windsagio

Also, I think you're crazy that this will cost him his second term :p

Whatever votes he'll lose from drilling job losses will be made up by 'standing up to the oil industry'.

Crazy? You don't even understand my point. Hint: The job losses are a very minor factor.

391 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:13:13pm

re: #383 Bagua

Bagua, are you saying 'starting a war' is the same as 'not cutting and running as soon as you can'?

392 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:13:32pm

re: #364 Alouette

The moonbattery never ends:

Spanish "Gay Pride" organizers tell Israelis not to attend their event.

The response to that should be sending the Spanish gays photos of what happens t gay people in Muslim nations like Palestine and pointing out that Israel is one of the few nations that gives asylum to Arab homosexuals.

[Link: www.mideastyouth.com...]

Image: Gays%20Executed%20in%20Iran.jpg

There are dozens of photos to be found like this.

Alas, being gay does not make one immune from being a moonbat devoid of reason or reality.

393 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:13:38pm

re: #377 cliffster

The economy is shit. It's incredible that anyone is trying to make it seem otherwise.

well I can understand it, if you got food on your table all seems fine... but once your debt is beyond your ability to pay it [Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
your are toast. just a fact.

394 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:13:51pm

re: #389 reine.de.tout

Read further down, I don't :p I just thought it was an interesting observation.

Like WW said its interesting to see what makes people come on and people take a break.

395 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:14:31pm

re: #253 brookly red

his back is against the wall, he is desperate and even in deep blue NYC he is grasping at the slim chance that distancing himself from an unpopular president will save him... it won't.

If DC can re-elect Marion Barry, Harlem can re-elect Rangel.

Hell, they re-elected Rangel's predecessor and HE was thrown out of the House.

396 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:14:55pm

This recession isn't even close to over. It's going to take a second dip, imo, and it will hurt Obama.

We, as a nation, managed over the past 20-30 years to export our manufacturing economy and turn ourselves into a service industry circle jerk. Until policies are implemented to reverse that, the economy will remain stagnant. 'Serving' each other doesn't produce net growth, it's just an economic coping mechanism to slow the fall.

It's going to take decades to undo that damage, and I don't think anyone, Obama included, can fix it faster. I wish it weren't so, but I think it to be the situation we are in.

397 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:15:09pm

re: #386 windsagio

OK try this (gotta test my reverse psychology :p):

"If this Reuters thing wasn't about Israel everyone would be laughing about the crazy conspiracy theorists."

Is that an example of this?

Because there's too much emotion involved with the topic, so you can't argue from a dissenting view without things going effing crazy.
398 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:15:13pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see the stalkers have a new thread up detailing how I stole the Reuters story from Elder of Zion. I guess they now look pretty stupid now that he and I have talked about it and he even amended his post stating that I beat them to the story by 5 minutes. Idiots.
I have no hard feelings towards Elder and it was my mistake to let the stalkers get under my skin.

Your mom was right. You really are known by the company you keep. That you and EZ worked it out speaks volumes.

That the stalker crowd have worked themselves into a BS frenzy also speaks volumes.

399 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:15:16pm

re: #393 brookly red

well I can understand it, if you got food on your table all seems fine... but once your debt is beyond your ability to pay it [Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
your are toast. just a fact.

that's the truth, brookly

400 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:15:44pm

re: #353 Bagua

. . .

But there is no need for a moratorium. Just a check to verify that no wells being drilled now follow the procedures and design that led to the preventable blowout.

The six month moratorium is a death blow to the drilling industry in the Gulf. It is overkill and the impact on those states economies will be much larger and much longer in duration than the (likely) effect of the spill. I say likely with the assumption that they can kill it in two months. The knock-on effect on the US economy will dwarf the spill and the drilling ban. We all sink with that boat.

Wish I could upding you a million times for that.

401 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:16:20pm

re: #397 wrenchwench

Try to put yourself into a position, and imagine if I'd said that on the first or second Reuters thread.

Its my honest opinion, but you have to admit that people would have started yelling. That is the point.

402 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:16:43pm

re: #398 researchok


That the stalker crowd have worked themselves into a BS frenzy also speaks volumes.

Agreed.

403 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:17:18pm

re: #370 wrenchwench

You could say the same about the posts on "bad craziness" and stuff, but that didn't keep anyone away.

Except the hardcore righties.

But in this case,

Hmmm...

Hmmmmm.

404 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:17:35pm

re: #395 alexknyc

If DC can re-elect Marion Barry, Harlem can re-elect Rangel.

Hell, they re-elected Rangel's predecessor and HE was thrown out of the House.

Harlem ain't what it used to be... my friend lives right downstairs from him in "the Lenox Towers" not the same crowd that was there 10 years ago...

405 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:18:58pm

hmmm..

406 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:19:50pm

hmmmm

(why are we hmmm'ing?)

407 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:19:58pm

re: #328 windsagio

Also, I think you're crazy that this will cost him his second term :p

Whatever votes he'll lose from drilling job losses will be made up by 'standing up to the oil industry'.

Are you going to step up and provide food to those families who've suffered a job loss?

408 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:20:23pm

re: #406 Fozzie Bear

hmmm

(why are we hmmm'ing?)

Seemed like a good thing to do at the time.

409 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:20:23pm

re: #407 reine.de.tout

I know this is personal to you Reine, but that's not really relevant to my point.

410 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:20:41pm

re: #406 Fozzie Bear

We're forming conclusions!

Hmm >>

411 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:21:02pm

re: #396 Fozzie Bear

This recession isn't even close to over.

Concur.

It's going to take a second dip, imo, and it will hurt Obama.

That would not be unlikely. Whether one wants to call it a "double dip" or an "L", the recovery looks to be pretty anemic so far.

We, as a nation, managed over the past 20-30 years to export our manufacturing economy...

Part of the reason that the Tea Partiers enjoy the support they do. Chronic unemployment will lead to deep dissatisfaction. I am concerned that the empty-headed populism won't fade, and could even grow if meaningful jobs are not created in large numbers over the next 24 months.

412 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:21:11pm

re: #406 Fozzie Bear

hmmm

(why are we hmmm'ing?)

it's contagious. Like yawning. And gonorrhea.

413 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:21:31pm

re: #407 reine.de.tout

I should put a bit more than that.

My heart goes out to people losing jobs there, but it likely won't change the election. Especially given where most of those drilling jobs are.

414 american_peanuts  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:21:48pm

This is so sad and funny at the same time. I think macabre is the best definition. Of all the Information Agencies, our friends from this thread, Reuters, have released this:

" Darfur sees bloodiest month in two years
Nearly 600 people died in rebel and tribal fighting in Sudan's Darfur region in May, the bloodiest month that the territory has seen in more than two years, U.N. officials said on Monday "
Link : [Link: www.reuters.com...]
[Lets ignore the "died" verb, instead of butchered, killed maimed]

This saddens me so much, not because my country is under attack.
It's because no one really cares about those poor people, and I see no solution in their future.

And I say WORLD ! WTF ???!!!!
REAL INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE DYING !
WAKE UP !!!!

415 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:23:08pm

To Bagua and Reine:

First off, Fran, I absolutely understand and am sympathetic to your position given what the Roi does.

That said, everyone is misunderstanding the scope of the environmental impact at this point. When that mess starts washing up along the East coast in a few months it will be much different.

Whether we like it or not, we have to as a matter of necessity begin to ween ourselves from fossil fuels.

We should very much use this as the impetus to redirect our economy away from the destructive path we are on. Switching to other forms of power generation will not sink our economy as analysis after analysis from respectable economics departments has shown. We win economically, by replacing oil. Shutting everything down overnight is not the answer, but beginning to scale it back and replace it is.

Even if we did not win economically, the issue of national survival trumps dollars.

416 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:24:29pm

re: #413 windsagio

I should put a bit more than that.

My heart goes out to people losing jobs there, but it likely won't change the election. Especially given where most of those drilling jobs are.

dude 20 million out of work will change any election... your boy is toast.

417 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:24:33pm

re: #364 Alouette

The moonbattery never ends:

Spanish "Gay Pride" organizers tell Israelis not to attend their event.

The local pro-Palestinian groups probably aren't all that fond of the Spanish "Gay Pride" people either.

418 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:24:50pm

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

Its like WUB's argument too.

An increase in fuel costs is the only thing that will make people seriously start looking at alternatives for their commutes, etc.

There's a reason Europe and Japan are years if not decades ahead of us on some of these things.

419 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:25:11pm

re: #416 brookly red

20 million will lose their jobs from a drilling moratorium?

Check your context man :D

420 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:26:06pm

Daftster + Windbagio = thread buggered.

421 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:26:20pm

re: #401 windsagio

Try to put yourself into a position, and imagine if I'd said that on the first or second Reuters thread.

Its my honest opinion, but you have to admit that people would have started yelling. That is the point.

I think I see your point. And people shouldn't yell.

Some of the yelling would be from the frustration of having to go over old material with a new crowd. Some would be lashing out at people who have a heart-felt disagreement.

But I think the ones who disappear over "Reuters articles" do it because they disagree with the management here, so they don't want to stay and argue their true beliefs. (That's what the "Hmmm" stood in for.) I wish they would stay and hash things out. Everyone is capable of changing his or her mind, and that possibility is what makes political discussion worth while.

422 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:26:22pm

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

To Bagua and Reine:

First off, Fran, I absolutely understand and am sympathetic to your position given what the Roi does.

That said, everyone is misunderstanding the scope of the environmental impact at this point. When that mess starts washing up along the East coast in a few months it will be much different.

Whether we like it or not, we have to as a matter of necessity begin to ween ourselves from fossil fuels.

We should very much use this as the impetus to redirect our economy away from the destructive path we are on. Switching to other forms of power generation will not sink our economy as analysis after analysis from respectable economics departments has shown. We win economically, by replacing oil. Shutting everything down overnight is not the answer, but beginning to scale it back and replace it is.

Even if we did not win economically, the issue of national survival trumps dollars.

I wish more people would phrase the argument in this way.

I think it's one of those topics that separates the reflexive right from the think right. If you can't see the benefit to national security and our economy as a whole to shift away from Oil -- environmental arguments be damned -- there is something wrong, there.

423 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:26:34pm

re: #396 Fozzie Bear

This recession isn't even close to over. It's going to take a second dip, imo, and it will hurt Obama.

We, as a nation, managed over the past 20-30 years to export our manufacturing economy and turn ourselves into a service industry circle jerk. Until policies are implemented to reverse that, the economy will remain stagnant. 'Serving' each other doesn't produce net growth, it's just an economic coping mechanism to slow the fall.

It's going to take decades to undo that damage, and I don't think anyone, Obama included, can fix it faster. I wish it weren't so, but I think it to be the situation we are in.

I think this is well said.

Being anti-union simply mean that we shifted our manufacture to the developing world where we could exploit that labor instead. The people at the top got wealthy and the rest of the economy got built on a house of cards. Of course, that in my opinion is secondary to the moral damage done by exploiting people or the real environmental damage done by manufacturing elsewhere, where those pesky treehuggers had no influence.

This is one case where doing what was right in the short term was more profitable in the long run. However, we should care about doing what is right first. There is a reason why greed is counted a deadly sin. It actually is deadly.

424 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:26:39pm

re: #422 Joo-LiZ

I wish more people would phrase the argument in this way.

I think it's one of those topics that separates the reflexive right from the think right. If you can't see the benefit to national security and our economy as a whole to shift away from Oil -- environmental arguments be damned -- there is something wrong, there.

thinking right**

425 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:26:52pm

re: #411 freetoken

Part of the reason that the Tea Partiers enjoy the support they do. Chronic unemployment will lead to deep dissatisfaction. I am concerned that the empty-headed populism won't fade, and could even grow if meaningful jobs are not created in large numbers over the next 24 months.

This is what scares the hell out of me. Not to go full Godwin on you guys, but the rise of Hitler, Musselini, the communist revolution in Russia, etc, etc, all took place in the context of bad economic times. Extremism withers in the times of prosperity, and grows in times of economic strife. It is worth noting that economic conditions here are not even remotely close to as bad as in the situations I just mentioned, but it is a pattern to be ever vigilant against.

(No, I don't think the Tea Party == Nazis, but they are definitely bad for America.)

426 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:26:52pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

Daftster + Windbagio = thread buggered.

yup, the drool is deep

427 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:26:58pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see the stalkers have a new thread up detailing how I stole the Reuters story from Elder of Zion. I guess they now look pretty stupid now that he and I have talked about it and he even amended his post stating that I beat them to the story by 5 minutes. Idiots.
I have no hard feelings towards Elder and it was my mistake to let the stalkers get under my skin.

Don't beat yourself up over it. I've let that happen too. We used to type to those guys here on a regular basis, and I even liked some of them. But they went and flounced and they see any who remain as either evil or duped by Charles. You have to just accept that they'll attack and move on.

428 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:27:07pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

Daftster + Windbagio = thread buggered.

hehe, whatever, Cato The Stupid ;)

429 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:27:33pm

re: #386 windsagio

OK try this (gotta test my reverse psychology :p):

"If this Reuters thing wasn't about Israel everyone would be laughing about the crazy conspiracy theorists."

If it wasn't about Israel, Reuters would have run the original pictures.

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:28:59pm

re: #419 windsagio

20 million will lose their jobs from a drilling moratorium?

Check your context man :D

Is it crazy out today? Do I need an umbrella?

431 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:29:15pm

re: #421 wrenchwench

re: #421 wrenchwench


But I think the ones who disappear over "Reuters articles" do it because they disagree with the management here, so they don't want to stay and argue their true beliefs. (That's what the "Hmmm" stood in for.) I wish they would stay and hash things out. Everyone is capable of changing his or her mind, and that possibility is what makes political discussion worth while.

The first part is absolutely correct (at least for me, and arguably for someone else). The second part is less so :p

The subject isn't one that you're going to change minds on :D

Which do you think makes for threads more people enjoy more tho' (these are on a scale)

Cordell level diving in,

Windy level diving in,

or WUB level refusing to post on Israel at all?

432 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:29:30pm

re: #423 LudwigVanQuixote

I think this is well said.

Being anti-union simply mean that we shifted our manufacture to the developing world where we could exploit that labor instead. The people at the top got wealthy and the rest of the economy got built on a house of cards. Of course, that in my opinion is secondary to the moral damage done by exploiting people or the real environmental damage done by manufacturing elsewhere, where those pesky treehuggers had no influence.

This is one case where doing what was right in the short term was more profitable in the long run. However, we should care about doing what is right first. There is a reason why greed is counted a deadly sin. It actually is deadly.

One could also argue the unions did it to themselves, by imposing demands on business owners that their business models would not support. It's a classic example of a Union screwing everybody over by making a business move elsewhere.

Two ways to look at the same issue ;)

That's a very simplistic way to put my view, but I don't really have the time to get into a serious conversation about it. I really shouldn't be on LGF, I'm trying to study, and I keep getting dragged back by my curiosity of what's being talked about... grrrr.

433 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:29:51pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

Very Christian of you :D

434 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:30:17pm

re: #404 brookly red

Harlem ain't what it used to be... my friend lives right downstairs from him in "the Lenox Towers" not the same crowd that was there 10 years ago...

Harlem ain't what it used to be but the Democratic Party organization there still is.

435 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:30:26pm

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

Don't beat yourself up over it. I've let that happen too. We used to type to those guys here on a regular basis, and I even liked some of them. But they went and flounced and they see any who remain as either evil or duped by Charles. You have to just accept that they'll attack and move on.

Yeah, I got my mind right now.

436 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:30:43pm

re: #430 WindUpBird

lol.

People are wiling do discuss other things, the other stuff is satisfyingly meta.

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:31:09pm

re: #407 reine.de.tout

Are you going to step up and provide food to those families who've suffered a job loss?

He's talking about elections.

438 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:31:26pm

re: #425 Fozzie Bear

Agree that we are still a long way from pre-Nazi Germany, but I think we're seeing in the immigration arguments the seeds of some very ugly things.

For instance, in regards to the recent AZ law, some of the supporters are promoting the idea that we as citizens should be ok with having to carry papers on us all the time, to prove our citizenship.

That is a big change from traditional American thinking. Heck, I remember when I used to walk over the border into TJ, when returning to the US, at the border being asked by border agents if I were a citizen and all I had to do was say "yes" - not even produce a photo ID!

439 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:31:36pm

re: #429 alexknyc

...

With great will, I'm not actually gonna argue that with you guys further.

440 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:31:43pm

re: #431 windsagio

re: #421 wrenchwench

The first part is absolutely correct (at least for me, and arguably for someone else). The second part is less so :p

The subject isn't one that you're going to change minds on :D

Which do you think makes for threads more people enjoy more tho' (these are on a scale)

Cordell level diving in,

Windy level diving in,

or WUB level refusing to post on Israel at all?

personally I could give a fuck about your perception of blog dynamics and your cheap ridicule...it's a news blog, not a Psych course

441 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:32:04pm

re: #429 alexknyc

If it wasn't about Israel, Reuters would have run the original pictures.

Quite Concur.

442 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:32:18pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see the stalkers have a new thread up detailing how I stole the Reuters story from Elder of Zion. I guess they now look pretty stupid now that he and I have talked about it and he even amended his post stating that I beat them to the story by 5 minutes. Idiots.
I have no hard feelings towards Elder and it was my mistake to let the stalkers get under my skin.

I think you've handled yourself well. And really, didn't you bring it up in the comments well before you created your page?

443 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:32:32pm

re: #440 albusteve

personally I could give a fuck about your perception of blog dynamics and your cheap ridicule...it's a news blog, not a Psych course

Can you elaborate on that?

444 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:33:27pm

re: #432 Joo-LiZ

One could also argue the unions did it to themselves, by imposing demands on business owners that their business models would not support. It's a classic example of a Union screwing everybody over by making a business move elsewhere.

Two ways to look at the same issue ;)

That's a very simplistic way to put my view, but I don't really have the time to get into a serious conversation about it. I really shouldn't be on LGF, I'm trying to study, and I keep getting dragged back by my curiosity of what's being talked about... grrr.

I agree that I oversimplified it and I also agree that the unions are not blameless. However, overall, the fact remains that we really did shift our industry away from America to avoid treating workers like humans and to avoid environmental regulations. The righties will go on and on about their lost profits, when in reality we had the greatest economic powerhouse in human history. The goose's eggs just weren't big and golden enough. The end result was killing the goose.

And what I am arguing morally, is that should really be secondary to whether or not you think it is ok for a 3rd world child to sew your shoes.

445 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:33:29pm

re: #419 windsagio

20 million will lose their jobs from a drilling moratorium?

Check your context man :D

Now 20 million are already out of work this will just add to it, in context. Now it is not unreasonable to think 20 plus spouses & partners comes to damn near 40 million... And if you think that won't have consequences at the polls you are just plain delusional. I don't mean that as an insult but it is what it is.

446 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:33:44pm

re: #443 windsagio

Can you elaborate on that?

why would you want me to?...are you dense?

447 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:33:51pm

re: #443 windsagio

Can you elaborate on that?

What we need is more talk about how all of Berkeley is anti-semitic, that's the very serious and important discourse

448 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:33:54pm

re: #421 wrenchwench

I think I see your point. And people shouldn't yell.

Some of the yelling would be from the frustration of having to go over old material with a new crowd. Some would be lashing out at people who have a heart-felt disagreement.

But I think the ones who disappear over "Reuters articles" do it because they disagree with the management here, so they don't want to stay and argue their true beliefs. (That's what the "Hmmm" stood in for.) I wish they would stay and hash things out. Everyone is capable of changing his or her mind, and that possibility is what makes political discussion worth while.

When it comes to Israel, I'm not sure everyone is capable of changing his or her mind.

Facts don't matter on issues where people have a significant emotional investment.

449 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:34:19pm

re: #434 alexknyc

Harlem ain't what it used to be but the Democratic Party organization there still is.

think Patterson...

450 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:34:29pm

re: #438 freetoken

Agree that we are still a long way from pre-Nazi Germany, but I think we're seeing in the immigration arguments the seeds of some very ugly things.

For instance, in regards to the recent AZ law, some of the supporters are promoting the idea that we as citizens should be ok with having to carry papers on us all the time, to prove our citizenship.

That is a big change from traditional American thinking. Heck, I remember when I used to walk over the border into TJ, when returning to the US, at the border being asked by border agents if I were a citizen and all I had to do was say "yes" - not even produce a photo ID!

Sadly, i think those traditions are gone. The threat environment now is much worse and will not go back to what it was in those days anytime soon. We need to accept that the government needs a way to verify who someone is and if they are in the US legally. I agree its a hassle, but it beats the alternative.

451 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:34:29pm

re: #446 albusteve

why would you want me to?...are you dense?

Oh, i want you toare i dense.

452 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:36:07pm

re: #445 brookly red

Now it is not unreasonable to think 20 plus spouses & partners comes to damn near 40 million...

Is this 1954 where dad always goes to the office and mom stays at home to watch the kids?

The level at which you're trying to tweak the numbers bespeaks... something.

453 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:36:08pm

re: #423 LudwigVanQuixote

Being anti-union simply mean that we shifted our manufacture to the developing world where we could exploit that labor instead.

I'm sure "that labor" would be startled to hear that you want to put them out of work.

Don't use a few rotten apples as evidence that fruit is unhealthy. If a thing can be made more cheaply elsewhere, it probably ought to.

Now of course we need to take into account secondary effects, especially environmental effects, but just because you think that $3/hr is a paltry wage doesn't mean it isn't a great living somewhere else.

454 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:36:31pm

re: #439 windsagio

...

With great will, I'm not actually gonna argue that with you guys further.

That's fine but you've left me with the impression that you don't think Israel is a special case for Reuters.

455 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:36:38pm

re: #431 windsagio

re: #421 wrenchwench

The first part is absolutely correct (at least for me, and arguably for someone else). The second part is less so :p

The subject isn't one that you're going to change minds on :D

I have seen several comments in which people express their gratitude for the education they get here. Several of those have been in the last few days. Those are what makes the blog worth something, IMHO.

Which do you think makes for threads more people enjoy more tho' (these are on a scale)

Cordell level diving in,

Windy level diving in,

or WUB level refusing to post on Israel at all?

Cordell became scrollover so long ago that I don't even know what I'm missing. I enjoy your comments. Absenting oneself is just too vague. If WUB doesn't come in and say he's not commenting [Hi!], I just figure he's busy.

456 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:36:53pm

re: #442 Boogberg

I think you've handled yourself well. And really, didn't you bring it up in the comments well before you created your page?

Yeah, maybe 30 or 45 minutes before I put up that page. NJDHockeyFan posted a link to the originals and I noticed to Reuters cropping. It's not all about me, everybody here did great work on the story.

457 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:37:30pm

re: #440 albusteve

personally I could give a fuck about your perception of blog dynamics and your cheap ridicule...it's a news blog, not a Psych course

Hey, we're having a discussion here!

458 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:37:39pm

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

Don't beat yourself up over it. I've let that happen too. We used to type to those guys here on a regular basis, and I even liked some of them. But they went and flounced and they see any who remain as either evil or duped by Charles. You have to just accept that they'll attack and move on.

you know, the fraternity dynamics of blog membership is something I can't get my head wrapped around. I understand that an Us Versus Them mentality is genetic, but this is ridiculous. Dots on a screen, you weirdos..

459 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:38:07pm

re: #453 Aceofwhat?

Dude seriously.

Look up some of the sweatshop and slave-labor scandals that are coming up in China (and formerly in Vietnam)

Its not just cheap because living is cheaper there, its a damn crime!

460 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:38:12pm

re: #386 windsagio

OK try this (gotta test my reverse psychology :p):

"If this Reuters thing wasn't about Israel everyone would be laughing about the crazy conspiracy theorists."

If this Reuters thing was about crazy Jewish extremists holding knives over uniformed Palestinian Authority policemen, the knife would be on every front page of every lefty blog and newspaper in the world, with a banner headline reading "KNIFE!"

Try that.

461 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:38:25pm

re: #449 brookly red

think Patterson...

If it were up to Harlem's Democratic Organization, he'd be re-elected governor.

462 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:38:44pm

re: #454 alexknyc

I don't :P

I also acknowledge that you guys disagree with me, and suggest we go our seperate ways on the issue.

463 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:38:50pm

re: #444 LudwigVanQuixote

Just so there is no confusion. It was I who said that the way I phrased my point was simplistic.

There are many factors involved here, but I think we agree on the main factors -- unions and restrictive environmental laws are what drove businesses away.

The difference between our two views is that you opine that the laws/unions were right, and the businesses should have sucked it up and lived with them in the greater national and moral interest, whereas my view is more that the unions/laws were to restrictive in and of themselves.

My (naive) view (which tends to always be easier said than done), is that there ought to be ways to show business owners that staying in the US serves their own interests, and create business incentives to act properly, as opposed to simply overwhelming them with red tape.

464 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:39:26pm

re: #452 windsagio

Is this 1954 where dad always goes to the office and mom stays at home to watch the kids?

The level at which you're trying to tweak the numbers bespeaks... something.

no that is true many of those 20 million are single mothers and what have you... and most will vote. I don't need to tweak numbers they are what they are, the economy sucks & people will vote their purses. Same as it ever was.

465 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:39:46pm

re: #457 wrenchwench

Hey, we're having a discussion here!

and you are doing a fine job...you speak for me

466 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:40:34pm

re: #461 alexknyc

If it were up to Harlem's Democratic Organization, he'd be re-elected governor.

true that change came from Washington.

467 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:40:40pm

re: #455 wrenchwench

I have extra insight into his posting habits, I admit. I'd say you should seriously go back to some of the discussions over the last few days and see what they were actually like. Or hell, here and see peoples reactions to my example.

468 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:41:26pm

re: #391 windsagio

Bagua, are you saying 'starting a war' is the same as 'not cutting and running as soon as you can'?

I'm saying Bush is not a warmonger and the US military intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan are not "two heaping piles of shit Bush left behind."

469 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:41:47pm

re: #464 brookly red

You tweaked the numbers by saying that every one of those jobless people is married and has a stay at home spouse/partner. Which is wrong on so many levels, I barely know how to begin.

470 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:41:49pm

re: #448 alexknyc

When it comes to Israel, I'm not sure everyone is capable of changing his or her mind.

Facts don't matter on issues where people have a significant emotional investment.

You might be surprised how many people are emotionally attached to a position they hold out of complete ignorance. The conditions are ripe here at LGF for reaching some of them. Charles is such a reasonable person, they start to trust his impression of things, then something comes up where they disagree, and they reassess the matter, and open their eyes to other information.

471 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:41:49pm

re: #467 windsagio

I have extra insight into his posting habits, I admit. I'd say you should seriously go back to some of the discussions over the last few days and see what they were actually like. Or hell, here and see peoples reactions to my example.

ever consider using the quote button Einstein?

472 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:41:55pm

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

To Bagua and Reine:

First off, Fran, I absolutely understand and am sympathetic to your position given what the Roi does.

That said, everyone is misunderstanding the scope of the environmental impact at this point. When that mess starts washing up along the East coast in a few months it will be much different.

Whether we like it or not, we have to as a matter of necessity begin to ween ourselves from fossil fuels.

We should very much use this as the impetus to redirect our economy away from the destructive path we are on. Switching to other forms of power generation will not sink our economy as analysis after analysis from respectable economics departments has shown. We win economically, by replacing oil. Shutting everything down overnight is not the answer, but beginning to scale it back and replace it is.

Even if we did not win economically, the issue of national survival trumps dollars.

In principle, you are 100% on the money.

That said, we're looking at decades to 'convert' and that is a best case scenario. New infrastructures take years to develop and plan and even longer to build. Couple that with legal challenge after legal challenge and we are in effect a ship without a rudder.

Until we have a real, workable and cogent plan that seamlessly intertwines wind, solar and nuclear generation, storage and distribution I just don't see how can simply cannot abandon the current model.

473 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:42:04pm

Way to go HotAir...linking to ... YidwithLid. No chance at intellectual honesty anymore.

/Hooray.

474 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:42:35pm

re: #467 windsagio

I have extra insight into his posting habits, I admit. I'd say you should seriously go back to some of the discussions over the last few days and see what they were actually like. Or hell, here and see peoples reactions to my example.

I don't think the reactions you got were the ones you were looking for.

Might not want to use them to illustrate your point, since they don't.

475 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:42:40pm

re: #468 Bagua

Well on one hand, I wanna argue, on the other hand arguing about Bush is so passe'.

So I'll leave it up to you! Should we hit the treadmill, or not?!

476 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:42:54pm

re: #473 Oh no...Sand People!

Way to go HotAir...linking to ... YidwithLid. No chance at intellectual honesty anymore.

/Hooray.

I've seen YidWithLid around, but I've never really paid attention -- what's wrong with them?

477 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:43:16pm

re: #471 albusteve

ever consider using the quote button Einstein?

Please go on.

478 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:43:42pm

re: #476 Joo-LiZ

I've seen YidWithLid around, but I've never really paid attention -- what's wrong with them?

Just the whole 'ignore LGF' at all costs meme is just quite telling how stupid all the righty blogs have become.

479 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:44:15pm

re: #470 wrenchwench

You might be surprised how many people are emotionally attached to a position they hold out of complete ignorance. The conditions are ripe here at LGF for reaching some of them. Charles is such a reasonable person, they start to trust his impression of things, then something comes up where they disagree, and they reassess the matter, and open their eyes to other information.

Or they just explode and flounce or get the stick.

I've never found it possible to overrule emotional attachment to a position by using facts, but maybe you've had better luck than I.

480 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:44:35pm

re: #458 cliffster

you know, the fraternity dynamics of blog membership is something I can't get my head wrapped around. I understand that an Us Versus Them mentality is genetic, but this is ridiculous. Dots on a screen, you weirdos..

It's more than that. Charles has always had enemies, and those enemies over-the-top attacks on him (even after he's been proven right) naturally led his posters to feel a sense of community against the attacking loons. The Stalkers believe that Charles broke faith with them, and that anger (plus a desire to prove him wrong) binds them together. They are in great error, but their feelings are real enough.

This is not an attempt to praise any member of the Stalker Blog, but rather an attempt to explain their actions.

481 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:45:28pm

re: #469 windsagio

You tweaked the numbers by saying that every one of those jobless people is married and has a stay at home spouse/partner. Which is wrong on so many levels, I barely know how to begin.

OK so let us just let it sit a 20 million ... no change in voting patterns... are you for real. are you that seriously in denial? could you even just admit that this might be a minor issue for Obama to over come?


I didn't think so...

482 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:45:31pm

re: #460 Cato the Elder

If this Reuters thing was about crazy Jewish extremists holding knives over uniformed Palestinian Authority policemen, the knife would be on every front page of every lefty blog and newspaper in the world, with a banner headline reading "KNIFE!"

Try that.

I have a brick wall you can come argue with if you like. Actually, limestone. Same effect, though.

483 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:45:53pm

re: #470 wrenchwench

The problem is one you referred to earlier.

What do you do if you think the host isn't reasonable on a particular subject? Is it worth risking pissing him off?

484 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:46:02pm

re: #367 freetoken

In American politics the waging tongues are demanding that the President do something. I suggest that the moratorium is designed to help satiate that desire to do something.

The GoM is our most important petroleum province. We're not going to give up producing from there.

We won't give up producing, but the moratorium will lead to a delay in new drilling of several year. Without this now production domestic oil will decline significantly.

I agree that Obama is taking the populist approach. I'm suggesting it fits his larger agenda as well. A beneficial crisis. But that is just speculation.

485 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:46:13pm

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

that makes good sense.. thank you

486 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:46:36pm

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

The Stalkers believe that Charles broke faith with them, and that anger (plus a desire to prove him wrong) binds them together. They are in great error, but their feelings are real enough.

Which fits perfectly with my statement that changing an emotional belief with facts is well nigh impossible.

487 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:46:37pm

re: #473 Oh no...Sand People!

Way to go HotAir...linking to ... YidwithLid. No chance at intellectual honesty anymore.

/Hooray.

Heh. I knew they rip off the story eventually.

488 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:46:46pm

re: #481 brookly red

Oh its certainly an issue. I just don't think its going to make him lose the election :p

I also think you're looking for reasons to have hope of him losing :D

489 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:47:48pm

re: #459 windsagio

Dude seriously.

Look up some of the sweatshop and slave-labor scandals that are coming up in China (and formerly in Vietnam)

Its not just cheap because living is cheaper there, its a damn crime!

i'm sure that it happens. name a human activity, and i'll give you examples of exploitation related to said activity.

outsourcing simple processes to lower-wage countries is not exploitation, or even a bad idea.

490 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:48:05pm

re: #488 windsagio

Oh its certainly an issue. I just don't think its going to make him lose the election :p

I also think you're looking for reasons to have hope of him losing :D

Has there been a president re-elected with unemployment at 10% since FDR?

491 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:48:14pm

re: #488 windsagio

Oh its certainly an issue. I just don't think its going to make him lose the election :p

I also think you're looking for reasons to have hope of him losing :D

Damn right I am.

492 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:48:26pm

re: #484 Bagua

We won't give up producing, but the moratorium will lead to a delay in new drilling of several year. Without this now production domestic oil will decline significantly.

I agree that Obama is taking the populist approach. I'm suggesting it fits his larger agenda as well. A beneficial crisis. But that is just speculation.

not for me...BO is simply strengthening his grip on the oil business...he knows exactly what he is doing in terms of federal control of key parts of the economy

493 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:49:00pm

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

It's more than that. Charles has always had enemies, and those enemies over-the-top attacks on him (even after he's been proven right) naturally led his posters to feel a sense of community against the attacking loons. The Stalkers believe that Charles broke faith with them, and that anger (plus a desire to prove him wrong) binds them together. They are in great error, but their feelings are real enough.

This is not an attempt to praise any member of the Stalker Blog, but rather an attempt to explain their actions.

FreeRepublic linked the JPost story which gave credit to Charles, but only copied the first paragraph of the article.

494 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:49:37pm

re: #433 windsagio

Very Christian of you :D

You know what I most contemn about you?

You can't even insult someone sincerely. You can't even leave off your mealy-mouthed emoticon for one single post.

Piss off. Henceforth you are just an obnoxious, ugly piece of furniture in the room. Until Charles decides to call 1-800-GOT-JUNK on your ass, I shall no doubt continue to bark my shins on your mismatched, badly joined frame. I shall curse and swear under my breath. But I have no more anger towards you than I do towards an unsightly end table that family sentiment forbids me to burn. Less, even. You are that pathetic.

495 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:50:12pm

re: #489 Aceofwhat?

That's a pretty sweeping statement.

I agree with you theoretically. But in places with poor rule of law, abuses happen.

I kinda feel like you're making a philosophical stand on the issue, instead of looking at the abuses that happen (which happen in US Territories sometimes as well).

Not that unions didn't overreach some too, btw. But saying outsourcing the way our multinationals do it doesn't feed exploitation is just wrong.

496 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:50:33pm

re: #456 Killgore Trout

Yeah, maybe 30 or 45 minutes before I put up that page. NJDHockeyFan posted a link to the originals and I noticed to Reuters cropping. It's not all about me, everybody here did great work on the story.

30 minutes is an eternity on the internet. You got the scoop, Bro. Plain and simple.

497 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:50:42pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

Heh. I knew they rip off the story eventually.

What I hate the most is that they are so willing to be beholden to "Charles is a TRAITOR" butthurt instead of getting legitimate information as fast as possible out to the public.

498 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:51:23pm

re: #384 reine.de.tout

I see no huge outcry over this moratorium, so I'm guessing most folks are seeing it as a good thing, OR it hasn't hit home to them what it will mean in terms of gas prices and the US reliance on imports.

People think about the moment, right now it is all demonisation of BP and hysteria over the leak. (And BP did screw up and the leak is horrible.) As I say, a moratorium sounds sensible to everyone, that is everyone who doesn't understand the oil industry.

As far as the connection to the oil price, even the pundits tend to be clueless about that. They just look at the end of day price moves and say, in hindsight, oh, oil went down/up because of (insert whatever event fits the agenda.) I've observed this for years. No surprise the consumer of the news is poorly informed.

499 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:51:37pm

Cato, new avatar... what happened with the bald dude?

500 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:53:14pm

re: #495 windsagio

That's a pretty sweeping statement.

I agree with you theoretically. But in places with poor rule of law, abuses happen.

I kinda feel like you're making a philosophical stand on the issue, instead of looking at the abuses that happen (which happen in US Territories sometimes as well).

Not that unions didn't overreach some too, btw. But saying outsourcing the way our multinationals do it doesn't feed exploitation is just wrong.

not using the quote button is a cowardly dodge, other posters following various issues have no idea wtf you are talking about...only a weasle with no guts would do that...the quote button is there for a reason, and you are abusive by not using it

501 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:53:33pm

re: #494 Cato the Elder

You want me to be more outright nasty, rather than lighthearted, in the bickering?

If you're absolutely sure, we can do that, but ....

502 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:53:55pm

re: #500 albusteve

not using the quote button is a cowardly dodge, other posters following various issues have no idea wtf you are talking about...only a weasle with no guts would do that...the quote button is there for a reason, and you are abusive by not using it

You are being a bit negative.

503 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:54:24pm

re: #456 Killgore Trout

Yeah, maybe 30 or 45 minutes before I put up that page. NJDHockeyFan posted a link to the originals and I noticed to Reuters cropping. It's not all about me, everybody here did great work on the story.

Everybody? Not me, I didn't do shit. Good detective work for those that did, though.

504 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:54:31pm

re: #501 windsagio

You want me to be more outright nasty, rather than lighthearted, in the bickering?

If you're absolutely sure, we can do that, but ...

I'm quaking at the thought of it

505 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:54:31pm

re: #467 windsagio

I have extra insight into his posting habits, I admit. I'd say you should seriously go back to some of the discussions over the last few days and see what they were actually like. Or hell, here and see peoples reactions to my example.


I'm sure it was (and is) awful. It doesn't look like anyone is plainly stating that your example is improbable, and they know this because LGF has been following Reuters's coverage of Israel for many years. There might be a polite way of stating it. They might be able to convince you that your example looks like you actually think "conspiracy theories" are what make up the objections to Reuters.

I'm a special kind of sicko. I enjoy many kinds of arguing. And sometimes I think those who don't are cowards. But deep down I suspect they're just more mentally healthy than I am.

re: #483 windsagio

The problem is one you referred to earlier.

What do you do if you think the host isn't reasonable on a particular subject? Is it worth risking pissing him off?

Well, I suppose what's at risk is one's LGF account. The brave thing to do would be to try to change Charles's mind. If one attempts that, and remains calm and wields facts and opinions and doesn't conflate the two, then I think one's account is safe whether Charles agrees or not.

506 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:54:58pm

re: #483 windsagio

The problem is one you referred to earlier.

What do you do if you think the host isn't reasonable on a particular subject? Is it worth risking pissing him off?

Depends on how reasonable one finds the host to have been on other topics...is it more likely that the host is being unreasonable or the poster in your scenario?

(heh...sorry, couldn't resist)

507 Gus  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:55:41pm

Well, the knuckleheads can practice blog history revisionism as they please. Here's the result for a Google News search for reuters fauxtography.

Reuters Fauxtography: What Was Removed?
‎
Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America - Ricki Hollander - Tamar Sternthal - 3 hours ago
And now, again, Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs has raised the red flag about new examples of Reuters fauxtography. In the first photograph, ...

Special Analysis: Fauxtography - Reuters Caught Again
‎
Honestreporting.com - 10 hours ago
Eagle-eyed blogger Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs was responsible for exposing Reuters' Fauxtography during the 2006 Lebanon conflict. ...

LGF Uncovers New Reuters Faux-Pas
‎
Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (blog) - 1 day ago
Little Green Footballs, the blog that first uncovered the Reuters fauxtography scandal during the second Lebanon war, again raises the red flag, ...

Checkmate!

508 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:55:42pm

re: #504 albusteve

He'll just write strongly worded letters asking enemies to unclench their fists.

509 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:56:10pm

re: #502 windsagio

You are being a bit negative.

If I may...You have that effect on people..
Just sayin........

510 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:56:32pm

Good Evening LGF. Here's an interesting article which raises some serious questions for the anti-blockaders...if they bother to read it.

Turkey’s support of Hamas worries PA
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH
06/08/2010 01:38
‘We want blockade lifted, but Hamas must end Gaza coup.’
The Palestinian Authority is concerned about Turkey’s increased support for Hamas, a PA official in Ramallah said on Monday.
The official said that the PA leadership was “unhappy” with Turkey’s policy toward Hamas, especially with regard to pressure to lift the blockade on the Gaza Strip unconditionally.
“Turkey’s policy is emboldening Hamas and undermining the Palestinian Authority,” the official told The Jerusalem Post.
“Of course we want to see the blockade lifted, but Hamas must also end its coup in the Gaza Strip and accept an Egyptian proposal for achieving reconciliation with Fatah.”
PA concerned about opening of the Rafah border
The PA is also concerned the reopening of the Rafah border crossing to Sinai would enable Hamas to tighten its grip on the Strip.
“We wish to remind the Turkish and Egyptian governments that the border crossing was controlled by the Palestinian Authority before Hamas launched its coup in 2007,” the official added. “If the Rafah border crossing is going to be reopened, that should be done in coordination with us and not with Hamas.”
Azzam al-Ahmed, a top Fatah official in the West Bank, was quoted over the weekend as saying that he was opposed to the lifting of the blockade on the Gaza Strip until Hamas agreed to end the dispute with his faction.
Ahmed stressed that there was no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip because the PA government was sending aid through Israeli border crossings.
Abbas visits Erdogan in Istanbul
PA President Mahmoud Abbas, who visited Istanbul on Monday, was said to have relayed to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan his concern over the rapprochement between Turkey and Hamas, the official revealed.
Erdogan, according to the official, offered to mediate between the PA and Hamas -an offer that Abbas accepted.
Erdogan declared that ending the power struggle between the rival Palestinian parties “is a must.” He claimed that Hamas had also welcomed a mediation role for Turkey.
Erdogan was speaking to reporters during a joint press conference with Syrian President Bashar Assad, who was also visiting Turkey.
“Divisions should not continue under the current circumstances,” Erdogan said. “I believe we can make peace between Hamas and Fatah.”
Hamas: PA depriving residents of the Gaza Strip of passports
Meanwhile, the Hamas government accused the PA of depriving residents of the Gaza Strip of passports. The government said the ban had been in effect since July 2008, effectively preventing tens of thousands of Palestinians from being able to travel abroad.
“The Fatah government in Ramallah does not care about the suffering of the people in the Gaza Strip, who are already under siege,” a spokesman for the Hamas-controlled Ministry of Interior said. “Every citizen is entitled to a passport, and no one has the right to deprive people of getting passports for whatever reason.”
Palestinian passports are normally printed in the West Bank. Hamas said the PA was refusing, for “security reasons,” to send thousands of passports to residents of the Gaza Strip who needed to travel.
According to the Hamas government, many Palestinian academics and “respected” figures have been denied passports by the PA government for the same reason.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
511 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:56:44pm

re: #509 reloadingisnotahobby

If I may...You have that effect on people..
Just sayin...

:P o_0 >>

512 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:56:49pm

re: #503 cliffster

Everybody? Not me, I didn't do shit. Good detective work for those that did, though.

me either...KT is a big dog...get the fuck out of his way when he's rolling...he and Charles know exactly how to use LGF...and kudos to all the others that smoothed the edges...pretty cool....Hi! Dan!....how ya doin these days d/a

513 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:57:20pm

re: #502 windsagio

You are being a bit negative.

It's sweet that he's trying to follow your conversations though.

/hey, he said I speak for him....

514 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:57:53pm

re: #501 windsagio

You want me to be more outright nasty, rather than lighthearted, in the bickering?

If you're absolutely sure, we can do that, but ...

While I disagree with you most of the time I do respect the fact that you keep it civil & on the table.

That being said you are still a leftist puke I respect your manners.

515 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:58:27pm

I just can't believe how desperately so many want a pretext to holocaust 2.0.

They are chomping at the bit..just chomping.

516 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:58:37pm

re: #508 TheMatrix31

He'll just write strongly worded letters asking enemies to unclench their fists.

Peace Pussies

517 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 4:59:35pm

re: #505 wrenchwench

They might be able to convince you that your example looks like you actually think "conspiracy theories" are what make up the objections to Reuters.

You're being tricky and trying to get me to argue my point ;)

I enjoy the arguing/discussing too, but its less fun taking on the whole blog. That just becomes frustrating really quickly... Especially when the abusiveness comes to the forefront.


Well, I suppose what's at risk is one's LGF account. The brave thing to do would be to try to change Charles's mind. If one attempts that, and remains calm and wields facts and opinions and doesn't conflate the two, then I think one's account is safe whether Charles agrees or not.

That part is probably just internet habit :p No matter how 'safe' it probably is, you always have a certain amount of emotional space with the host, if you're around enough to be visible at all. I don't wanna waste my (metaphorical) karma by arguing with him ;)

518 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:00:13pm

re: #513 wrenchwench

It's sweet that he's trying to follow your conversations though.

/hey, he said I speak for him...

albusteve disagrees with you

519 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:00:19pm

re: #509 reloadingisnotahobby

If I may...You have that effect on people..
Just sayin...

I'm jolly as usual....people that don't know me must think I'm ornery...I enjoy the stupid to a point

520 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:01:02pm

re: #506 Aceofwhat?

Depends on how reasonable one finds the host to have been on other topics...is it more likely that the host is being unreasonable or the poster in your scenario?

(heh...sorry, couldn't resist)

Every single one of us has their blind spots.

I think I know what mine are (but then again, with blind spots you by definition shouldn't know what they are), but I certainly have them no matter what.

521 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:01:10pm

re: #493 Alouette

FreeRepublic linked the JPost story which gave credit to Charles, but only copied the first paragraph of the article.

Glad to hear that.

522 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:01:15pm

Well, later folks.

Gotta head to the world of the 'real'..

523 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:01:53pm

re: #514 brookly red

See we hate each other brookly, but its a loving hate :D

Its the kind of relationship that makes blogging fun.

524 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:02:34pm

Dow down pretty well into the 9000's.

Sucks. Don't think it's near the bottom though.

525 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:03:05pm

re: #516 albusteve

Peace Pussies

I wanna make a joke but I am certain it is a banable offense...

526 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:03:27pm

re: #525 brookly red

lol now I wanna know tho ;D

527 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:03:42pm

re: #523 windsagio

See we hate each other brookly, but its a loving hate :D

Its the kind of relationship that makes blogging fun.

really?...then why don't you 'blog' with Cato, for example?

528 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:03:46pm

re: #495 windsagio

That's a pretty sweeping statement.

I agree with you theoretically. But in places with poor rule of law, abuses happen.

I kinda feel like you're making a philosophical stand on the issue, instead of looking at the abuses that happen (which happen in US Territories sometimes as well).

Not that unions didn't overreach some too, btw. But saying outsourcing the way our multinationals do it doesn't feed exploitation is just wrong.

Of course I am. The sweeping statement was that outsourcing = exploitation. That is a philosophically incorrect statement, so i am taking a philosophical stand.

Many companies have done it well, some have permitted abuses. I am contending no specific instance of abuse, but rather statements like "outsourcing the way our multinationals do it". We don't need to talk specifics here, but that sort of charge does need to be specific.

529 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:03:54pm

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

Right, beneficial crisis. I know. To anyone wanting to shut down US oil production, this is a good thing and any price is justified.

I'm talking about the near term effects of the moratorium on the economy and the price of oil. Mostly within the coming decade. I'm not addressing the larger issues such as AGW or even the supply of oil 30 years out. One could argue that leaving it in the ground until it is, say, $300 bbl is good economic sense in the longer run for example. Those are all legitimate considerations dependent upon one's focus.

I know the beliefs Obama is acting on, as I say, it is a brave and principled decision, popular now but one that could cost him the next election.

As to the environmental impacts, this is a massive unknown at this time. Obviously the duration of the leak, the quantity, the success or failure of the skimming and recovery efforts, the dispersants, the attempts to cap and kill the well... it is all an unknown at this time. It certainly has the potential to be devastating. This we will find out.

530 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:04:16pm

re: #509 reloadingisnotahobby

If I may...You have that effect on people..
Just sayin...

Lord, you don't know the half of it! :D

531 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:04:35pm

re: #527 albusteve

really?...then why don't you 'blog' with Cato, for example?

Perhaps I will blog with cato for example in good time.

532 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:06:22pm

re: #524 cliffster

Dow down pretty well into the 9000's.

Sucks. Don't think it's near the bottom though.

nooo! hope and change! we can tax our way out of this... just let us spend your grand children's future too and you will see we are right...

/yet some how they still can't make enough ammo..

533 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:06:48pm

re: #524 cliffster

Dow down pretty well into the 9000's.

Sucks. Don't think it's near the bottom though.

Me either. Been making some money with SPY puts...

534 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:07:09pm

re: #528 Aceofwhat?

I'll tune it back some just for you :P

"Outsourcing as it currently goes tends towards abuses, because its not in either company involved's financial interests to curb abuses, and there aren't sufficient protections in the countries in question for the government to curb said abuses."

Grammar not so great, but I think it encapsulates my point pretty well.

535 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:08:10pm

Some asshole at Hot Air THANKS them for not linking to Charles on the Reuters scoop.

These people make my brain hurt.

536 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:08:35pm

re: #529 Bagua

One could argue that leaving it in the ground until it is, say, $300 bbl is good economic sense in the longer run for example.

The economy will collapse before oil hits $300 per barrel. At which point that oil in the ground would be of little if any value.

537 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:08:43pm

re: #517 windsagio

That part is probably just internet habit :p No matter how 'safe' it probably is, you always have a certain amount of emotional space with the host, if you're around enough to be visible at all. I don't wanna waste my (metaphorical) karma by arguing with him ;)

If you had even a shred of evidence to back up your denialist position it might be worth a try. Otherwise, I guess it's kind of hard for you to stick to your guns when you're shooting blanks.

538 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:09:13pm

re: #532 brookly red

nooo! hope and change! we can tax our way out of this... just let us spend your grand children's future too and you will see we are right...

/yet some how they still can't make enough ammo..

hay guys, rooting for failure again because you hate the ebil Democrats?

Awesome

539 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:09:15pm

re: #535 Alouette

Haha that's a dilemma, you have to admit!

"We really hate this guy, but we totally agree with his point? Which is more important, the hate or the point?"

540 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:09:17pm

re: #529 Bagua

Right, beneficial crisis. I know. To anyone wanting to shut down US oil production, this is a good thing and any price is justified.

I'm talking about the near term effects of the moratorium on the economy and the price of oil. Mostly within the coming decade. I'm not addressing the larger issues such as AGW or even the supply of oil 30 years out. One could argue that leaving it in the ground until it is, say, $300 bbl is good economic sense in the longer run for example. Those are all legitimate considerations dependent upon one's focus.

I know the beliefs Obama is acting on, as I say, it is a brave and principled decision, popular now but one that could cost him the next election.

As to the environmental impacts, this is a massive unknown at this time. Obviously the duration of the leak, the quantity, the success or failure of the skimming and recovery efforts, the dispersants, the attempts to cap and kill the well... it is all an unknown at this time. It certainly has the potential to be devastating. This we will find out.

I have to agree with you on this one. I understand the danger AGW poses, but in this case the short-term issues are more important than the long term issues. If we do ourselves massive economic harm by allowing greatly higher oil prices, then there will be far less money to invest in clean technologies. No money, no new tech.

541 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:09:31pm

re: #534 windsagio

It's a perfectly good point.

If we consider it moral and ethical to make standards for workers in this country, it is pathetic of us to engage workers in other countries specifically to avoid those standards.

It is only made more complex because cutting a company off from that economy does not necessarily lead to anything good; it's not a simple binary thing.

542 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:09:36pm

re: #538 WindUpBird

No using mandyspelling!

543 ShaunP  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:09:41pm

re: #535 Alouette

Some asshole at Hot Air THANKS them for not linking to Charles on the Reuters scoop.

These people make my brain hurt.

Sour grapes...

544 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:09:56pm

re: #538 WindUpBird

hay guys, rooting for failure again because you hate the ebil Democrats?

Awesome

nope.

545 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:10:29pm

re: #531 windsagio

Perhaps I will blog with cato for example in good time.

Cato respects people that post directly and stand up for their point of view...he's smart and tough and your style of snark, empty rhetoric and nuanced idealism will not make it easy for you....he saves his criticism for those that earn it and deserve it....you are not close to his league

546 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:10:34pm

Constantly looking at what other people are saying about this blog makes us no better that them.

Just sayin.

547 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:10:43pm

re: #546 TheMatrix31

than*

548 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:10:44pm

re: #542 windsagio

No using mandyspelling!

That spelling was part of my lexicon before I ever even heard of this place

549 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:10:50pm

re: #544 cliffster

Its good that some of you guys aren't :p

550 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:10:52pm

re: #535 Alouette

Some asshole at Hot Air THANKS them for not linking to Charles on the Reuters scoop.

These people make my brain hurt.

That person has let his hate get the better of him to the point that he is more interested in spiting someone than getting the facts. That s a bad way to live.

551 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:10:55pm

re: #535 Alouette

Some asshole at Hot Air THANKS them for not linking to Charles on the Reuters scoop.

These people make my brain hurt.

that's really just petty, vindictive childishness.

552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:11:14pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

heh... funny and true...

553 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:11:19pm

re: #545 albusteve

Cato respects people that post directly and stand up for their point of view...he's smart and tough and your style of snark, empty rhetoric and nuanced idealism will not make it easy for you...he saves his criticism for those that earn it and deserve it...you are not close to his league

What about your own style of snark empty rhetoric and nuanced idealism wont make it easy for youhe saves his criticism for those that earn it and deserve ityou are not close to his league?

554 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:11:23pm

re: #546 TheMatrix31

How do you figure?

Does Israel caring what Hamas says about them make them no better than Hamas?

555 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:11:30pm

re: #544 cliffster

nope.

we are not on speaking terms... pls tell the jerk I am a Democrat, would you?

556 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:11:55pm

re: #555 brookly red

So you say :P

557 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:12:09pm

re: #546 TheMatrix31

Constantly looking at what other people are saying about this blog makes us no better than them.

Just sayin.

That's true. Being right is what makes us better than them.

558 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:12:10pm

re: #554 Obdicut

Clearly this isn't on that level.

Back and forth monitoring of blogs is pretty, pretty lame.

559 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:12:16pm

re: #545 albusteve

Cato respects people that post directly and stand up for their point of view...he's smart and tough and your style of snark, empty rhetoric and nuanced idealism will not make it easy for you...he saves his criticism for those that earn it and deserve it...you are not close to his league


A refreshing glass of Blog Tribalism. An effervescent salve on a bright sunny day!

560 Ming  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:12:37pm

I must once again thank Charles for alerting the blogosphere to the despicable activities of Reuters. I tend to think of Reuters as a mainstream and reasonably-unbiased news service, but it would seem that Reuters has "activists" of its own. Perhaps most tragic of all, there is no reason that someone like Rachel Corrie should have died, except for the hateful incitement that is practiced by so many. Reuters may be congratulating itself for cropping the photos, but somewhere, a young person is looking at those photos, and deciding to enter a war zone.

561 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:12:44pm

Excellent Job (again) Charles!

*fistbump*

562 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:12:47pm

re: #546 TheMatrix31

na, its just kinda a weird thing to be obsessed with.

563 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:12:56pm

re: #556 windsagio

So you say :P

I am registered I can prove it... wanna go there?

564 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:12:58pm

re: #555 brookly red

we are not on speaking terms... pls tell the jerk I am a Democrat, would you?

I don't believe you, and nobody here who votes Democrat with any regularity believes you

565 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:13:03pm

re: #555 brookly red

we are not on speaking terms... pls tell the jerk I am a Democrat, would you?

that's pretty funny, but I've had friendships like that before. Ex-husbands and wives. That arrangement lasts for all of one exchange and then, fuck you, tell him/her yourself.

566 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:13:10pm

re: #524 cliffster

Dow down pretty well into the 9000's.

Sucks. Don't think it's near the bottom though.

Paper profits and losses are of concern only to people who don't live in the real economy. Fuck Wall Street.

567 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:14:00pm

re: #563 brookly red

You'd be willing to publicly post your voter registration, and somehow prove it was yours, with all your private information on it, just to prove a point?

I admire your bravery and dedication :D

568 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:14:05pm

re: #564 WindUpBird

I don't believe you, and nobody here who votes Democrat with any regularity believes you

I do and I do.

569 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:14:12pm

re: #563 brookly red

I am registered I can prove it... wanna go there?

Yeah, and Rush Limbaugh told people to register as Democrat as part of "operation chaos" during 2008. It proves, nothing, it says nothing, it means nothing.

The dishonesty is pretty epic, but totally expected from you, kthxbye

570 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:14:20pm

re: #551 cliffster

that's really just petty, vindictive childishness.

I think you see that when you click the "About Us" link at that place. It's not just a description, it's a business model.

571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:14:30pm

Anybody here eat a Qdoba? They won't rest until I am 600 lbs.

572 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:14:52pm

re: #569 WindUpBird

We should trade who we're arching at some point >> Just for a day or two.

573 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:15:01pm

re: #553 windsagio

What about your own style of snark empty rhetoric and nuanced idealism wont make it easy for youhe saves his criticism for those that earn it and deserve ityou are not close to his league?

he's beat the shit out of me more than once, but he knows I respect him...I've been here over three years now, and Cato for six...it makes a difference around here....LGF is not the same as a gaming blog

574 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:15:13pm

re: #568 alexknyc

I do and I do.

hahaha yeah ok you just check out Brookly Red's opinions on this blog, and how they are GOP boilerplate on every issue, and then when you're done, you give me a drag off that J before you throw it out

575 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:15:23pm

re: #566 Cato the Elder

Paper profits and losses are of concern only to people who don't live in the real economy. Fuck Wall Street.

That is just silly.

576 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:15:27pm

re: #541 Obdicut

If we consider it moral and ethical to make standards for workers in this country, it is pathetic of us to engage workers in other countries specifically to avoid those standards.

Absolutely. And not just worker abuse, but environmental standards as well. In some cases our environmental laws make it economically unfeasible to manufacture a product domestically, but we allow other nations who don't have nearly the same environmental standards manufacture that product and then import it here. What did we accomplish except ship jobs offshore?

577 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:15:35pm

re: #573 albusteve

he's beat the shit out of me more than once, but he knows I respect him...I've been here over three years now, and Cato for six...it makes a difference around here...LGF is not the same as a gaming blog

What resemblance do you see?

578 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:15:43pm

re: #572 windsagio

We should trade who we're arching at some point >> Just for a day or two.

GO TEAM VENTURE

579 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:15:51pm

re: #558 TheMatrix31

Clearly this isn't on that level.

Back and forth monitoring of blogs is pretty, pretty lame.

Why, though? I understand that you're asserting it, but what skin is it off your nose if Charles wants to note that other sites aren't reporting on this story, and that this is probably a result of their strange obsession with hating him?

I don't get it.

580 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:15:52pm

re: #566 Cato the Elder

Paper profits and losses are of concern only to people who don't live in the real economy. Fuck Wall Street.

You know, I wish there was no truth to that.

581 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:16:00pm

(flips bird bird goes on with life...)

582 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:16:04pm

re: #573 albusteve

he's beat the shit out of me more than once, but he knows I respect him...I've been here over three years now, and Cato for six...it makes a difference around here...LGF is not the same as a gaming blog

I've been here just short of two years but I'll never be around enough to escape the n00bie rating.

583 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:16:22pm

re: #517 windsagio

That part is probably just internet habit :p No matter how 'safe' it probably is, you always have a certain amount of emotional space with the host, if you're around enough to be visible at all. I don't wanna waste my (metaphorical) karma by arguing with him ;)

I've never frequented any other blog, so I can't make generalizations. I do like to see people try to change other people's minds.

Did you know that a Reuters employee emailed this to Charles?

I look forward to the day when you pigs get your throats cut....

Reuters gets no slack around here. I guess you could say there's a emotional component to it.

584 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:16:38pm

re: #559 WindUpBird

A refreshing glass of Blog Tribalism. An effervescent salve on a bright sunny day!

from the outside, you can call it whatever you want...I'm not in the least offended

585 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:16:43pm

re: #575 Boogberg

That is just silly.

You would think that. Someone who believes Goldman Sachs is anything but a fancy pyramid scheme would.

586 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:16:50pm

re: #536 mich-again

The economy will collapse before oil hits $300 per barrel. At which point that oil in the ground would be of little if any value.

My point exactly. The loss of jobs and revenue for the Gulf states is a factor, but a spike in the oil price well over $100 bbl, which is almost certain, will be a drag on the overall economy. If these expected effects hit before the 2012 election, then Obama will have little chance at re-election.

587 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:16:50pm

Oh jeez. Same old same old.
"I don't like you. I think you are a doo-doo head."

Charles can we just get an Octagon ring in here?

588 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:17:19pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

Favorite!!

589 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:17:34pm

re: #575 Boogberg

That is just silly.

He's right. Trading in paper profits and losses are a mirage if there is no real economy to back that paper up.

Think junk bonds.

590 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:17:39pm

re: #585 Cato the Elder

You would think that. Someone who believes Goldman Sachs is anything but a fancy pyramid scheme would.

I don't know about pyramid scheme. Maybe, seller of new clothes to Emperors?

591 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:17:40pm

re: #579 Obdicut

Why, though? I understand that you're asserting it, but what skin is it off your nose if Charles wants to note that other sites aren't reporting on this story, and that this is probably a result of their strange obsession with hating him?

I don't get it.

It's annoying and alienating to many, many readers to read back and forth blog war nonsense in the comments section. If I wanted HS drama, I would have stayed in HS.

592 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:17:51pm

re: #574 WindUpBird

hahaha yeah ok you just check out Brookly Red's opinions on this blog, and how they are GOP boilerplate on every issue, and then when you're done, you give me a drag off that J before you throw it out

Perhaps you are less familiar with NYC politics than I am.

You might want to consider that there could be aspects to things like this that escape your notice and maybe you'd learn something new.

And who throws out a J?

593 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:18:18pm

re: #587 Racer X

We're in a recession. It only has four sides. Which I prefer, because I can run out of a four sided octagon.

594 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:18:41pm

re: #369 albusteve

wrong, he's already the Greatest President ever to serve...get on board and LISTEN to him

Steve, although I gave up smoking several decades ago I could probably find some matches for the ceremonial ignition of that straw man. I'll even bring the beer.

OK, I'll turn the snark off.

Although it may appear many loonie lefties consider Obama to be the greatest prez ever, that is only because he is being compared to Bush. I'm sure if he was compared to a good president that huge image gap would be much, much, smaller.

Sorry, a bit of residual snark must have leaked out. ;)

595 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:18:54pm

re: #534 windsagio

I'll tune it back some just for you :P

"Outsourcing as it currently goes tends towards abuses, because its not in either company involved's financial interests to curb abuses, and there aren't sufficient protections in the countries in question for the government to curb said abuses."

Grammar not so great, but I think it encapsulates my point pretty well.

I understand what you believe. It's just that if that were the case, one could waltz in to ~50% of said overseas plants and find said horrible abuses.

That's nowhere near the reality of the situation. I don't think that your opinion is supported by the facts in this case, although I understand that the abuses that have occurred are more sensational than instances where there is no abuse.

And remember, we're talking about abuse...not violations.

596 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:19:01pm

Not going to go back re-read thread, and my computer is hacking up furballs again, but I just thought I'd say:

Editing out blood, daggers, and bodies of wounded soldiers is standard practice? They're admiting this?

597 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:19:29pm

re: #586 Bagua

We actually need cheap energy in the short term to spur economic activity to raise the tax revenue we need to invest in clean energy for the future. Its kind of hard for a lot of people to accept that.

598 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:19:29pm

re: #559 WindUpBird

A refreshing glass of Blog Tribalism. An effervescent salve on a bright sunny day!

If you drink a salve - effervescent or not - you will probably get very sick, my pot-calling-kettle-black young fellow.

599 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:19:44pm

re: #585 Cato the Elder

You would think that. Someone who believes Goldman Sachs is anything but a fancy pyramid scheme would.

Well if you have some money, why not make it work for you?

600 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:19:57pm

re: #585 Cato the Elder

You would think that. Someone who believes Goldman Sachs is anything but a fancy pyramid scheme would.

well Cato (if that's really you) the concept of money is a pyramid scheme... you wannna play go along with it.

601 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:20:19pm

re: #591 TheMatrix31

It's annoying and alienating to many, many readers to read back and forth blog war nonsense in the comments section. If I wanted HS drama, I would have stayed in HS.

How is it alienating to many readers? I understand you don't like it, but you haven't actually made it clear why, at all.

I find it interesting that there are other blogs that hate Charles so much that they won't even cover this story; it's similar to the MSM not covering the story, though for different reasons, of course.

Can you explain why it just seems like high school drama to you?

602 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:20:32pm

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

To Bagua and Reine:

First off, Fran, I absolutely understand and am sympathetic to your position given what the Roi does.

That said, everyone is misunderstanding the scope of the environmental impact at this point. When that mess starts washing up along the East coast in a few months it will be much different.

Whether we like it or not, we have to as a matter of necessity begin to ween ourselves from fossil fuels.

We should very much use this as the impetus to redirect our economy away from the destructive path we are on. Switching to other forms of power generation will not sink our economy as analysis after analysis from respectable economics departments has shown. We win economically, by replacing oil. Shutting everything down overnight is not the answer, but beginning to scale it back and replace it is.

Even if we did not win economically, the issue of national survival trumps dollars.

Hey, LVQ.
I understand exactly what you're saying, and I am unbelievably heartsick over this destruction in our Gulf of Mexico. It's our livelihood, and our vacation spot as well! Many vacations spent with family in a condo on the Gulf, enjoying the warm days, beautiful sand and water.

And I have no issue with replacing oil. Alternatives need to be developed.

But we aren't there yet. We're simply not there yet.

Within a week of that incident, those folks in the business there knew what happened and why, and exactly what decisions BP made that led to this blowout. And they were appalled at the bad decision making displayed by BP given the realities of this well.

The Roi and I are going to be OK. The Roi has a master's degree (zoology) and many years of deep-water experience, and he will find work, there is no doubt about it.

There are, however, thousands of low-skilled people in Louisiana (Mississippi, Texas, Alabama) who work these rigs, making more than they could make doing something else in line with their level of skill and education.

In addition, there are:
Companies that provide helicopter transportation to and from the rigs.
Boats that supply the rigs and their crews.
Manufacturers of supplies.
Hotels, gas stations, restaurants that provide for all of these thousands of people as they make their way to the heliports and back home again every two to four weeks.

All of these people are not out of work for 6 months; they are essentially out of business forever, and will have to be aborbed - somewhere.

Now all of these things could be phased out as alternates developed and started being used.

But that's not what's happening. What's happened is that last week they were employed and/or owned a business, and this week they don't. Thousands of people. So that the President can implement what I believe is nothing more than a PR stunt.

In my book, that's a pretty evil thing to do to thousands of hard-working people.

603 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:21:03pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see the stalkers have a new thread up detailing how I stole the Reuters story from Elder of Zion. I guess they now look pretty stupid now that he and I have talked about it and he even amended his post stating that I beat them to the story by 5 minutes. Idiots.
I have no hard feelings towards Elder and it was my mistake to let the stalkers get under my skin.

You both came out as class acts KT.

604 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:21:35pm

re: #599 Boogberg

Well if you have some money, why not make it work for you?

Trading in paper and derivatives is not making money work for you.

Buy real stocks and bonds, long or short.

605 avanti  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:21:54pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see the stalkers have a new thread up detailing how I stole the Reuters story from Elder of Zion. I guess they now look pretty stupid now that he and I have talked about it and he even amended his post stating that I beat them to the story by 5 minutes. Idiots.
I have no hard feelings towards Elder and it was my mistake to let the stalkers get under my skin.

Yea, they e-mailed the Jerusalem Post asking that they "correct" the story.

606 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:22:12pm

re: #600 brookly red

well Cato (if that's really you) the concept of money is a pyramid scheme... you wannna play go along with it.

All of life is a grand pyramid scheme that must collapse with our deaths.

607 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:22:35pm

re: #595 Aceofwhat?

There is systematic abuse in a lot of the countries that we contract with.

Our company inspects our factories in China not mainly for quality control but for abuse of workers.

The US is a great place. Part of what makes it great is that we don't force people to work under terrible conditions.

Worker abuse is widespread in countries that lack protection for workers, just as it was in the US during the time of the Lowell mills.

608 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:22:44pm

gotta run...peace

609 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:22:49pm

re: #437 WindUpBird

He's talking about elections.

Well.
No, he talked about votes lost from drilling jobs lost.
Sorry.
That's PEOPLE.

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:22:55pm

re: #602 reine.de.tout

Really, you are lovely.

What an encapsulation. Our prayers go out to you folks.

611 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:22:57pm

re: #566 Cato the Elder

If you have retirement funds or pensions - those DJIA losses are real losses - for pensions that have funds that follow the DJIA or S&P 500 or Russell 2000, you're seeing a real loss.

And if you're a retiree, it's a real loss if you've got a 401k or 403b.

So yeah, what happens on Wall Street affects folks on Main Street.

612 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:23:00pm

re: #601 Obdicut

There's explosions in DFW, tornadoes in the midwest, and oil gushing into the gulf. The economy is a house of cards ready to go at any good gust of wind. Hamas being jackasses is old news and Reuters's petty attempts to cover it up isn't necessarily first and foremost on people's radar. I think it's interesting, but I'm certainly not going to fault anyone for yawning at the conversation.

613 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:23:15pm

re: #607 Obdicut

this looks like fun, i need to run, will try to pick it up later

614 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:23:46pm

re: #602 reine.de.tout

you rock, reine

615 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:24:02pm

re: #585 Cato the Elder

Lots of American jobs rely on the Stock Market to raise capital to invest in new facilities and R&D. To infer the stock market is nothing but a poker table for the rich is untrue.

616 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:24:11pm

re: #601 Obdicut

How is it alienating to many readers? I understand you don't like it, but you haven't actually made it clear why, at all.

I find it interesting that there are other blogs that hate Charles so much that they won't even cover this story; it's similar to the MSM not covering the story, though for different reasons, of course.

Can you explain why it just seems like high school drama to you?

Not this specific issue. Overall.

You don't see how its alienating to some readers to constantly come to a site (and I've experienced this on non-political blogs too) where there is this constant need to update what's going on on the "other sites" that hate us so? Okay, so some dude says something---who cares, fuck em. Okay, so they don't want to reference LGF---who cares, fuck em.

It's just like HS. "OMG, did you hear what Jenny said? Well, she was talking about how Sharon and Alicia were talking about how Jenny blew that guy in the backroom".

It's just nonsense. Whatever, if you don't understand it then I can't really help you.

I try to come on these blogs to gain information. Back-and-forth is not particularly enriching.

617 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:24:41pm

Well that is a new wrinkle in the $75,000,000.00 BP liability cap argument, apparently the EPA can fine them $4300.00 for every barrel leaked into the ocean.

Lets say the leak rate is in the upper middle of the guesstimate and call it 12,000 barrels per day.

12,000 x $4300.00 = $51,600,000.00
$51,600,000.00 x 49 days = $2,528,400.000.00

More than two and a half billion dollars...can you say ouch?
(as if the government will really make them pay that much even though it apparently legally can)

618 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:24:45pm

re: #607 Obdicut

There is systematic abuse in a lot of the countries that we contract with.

Our company inspects our factories in China not mainly for quality control but for abuse of workers.

The US is a great place. Part of what makes it great is that we don't force people to work under terrible conditions.

Worker abuse is widespread in countries that lack protection for workers, just as it was in the US during the time of the Lowell mills.

China has probably had several Triangle Shirtwaist factory fires, but without a free press or a free electorate, nothing changed.

619 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:24:47pm

re: #611 lawhawk

If you have retirement funds or pensions - those DJIA losses are real losses - for pensions that have funds that follow the DJIA or S&P 500 or Russell 2000, you're seeing a real loss.

And if you're a retiree, it's a real loss if you've got a 401k or 403b.

So yeah, what happens on Wall Street affects folks on Main Street.

If you are retired, or anywhere near retirement, and you have a substantial amount of your money in stocks, you are crazy.

620 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:25:10pm

re: #604 researchok

Trading in paper and derivatives is not making money work for you.

Buy real stocks and bonds, long or short.

Goldman Sachs isn't a real company with real employees?

621 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:25:19pm

re: #579 Obdicut

Why, though? I understand that you're asserting it, but what skin is it off your nose if Charles wants to note that other sites aren't reporting on this story, and that this is probably a result of their strange obsession with hating him?

I don't get it.

it has a sort of soap opera drama to that turns off a lot of people...but Charles and others are on top of it because it's a part of LGFs reputation....I don't dismiss it's importance until it becomes a dog and pony show.... many posters go on and an about the stalkers and don't really have any clue, just posting along to fit in...Charles knows what he's doing and he has terrific back up...it's not for me, none of my business...when a post goes up with regard to another blogger, that's cool

622 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:25:32pm

re: #612 cliffster

I don't fault anyone for yawning at it either-- or at our geeky battletech conversations, or people talking about sports, either.

I'm not sure why it's seen as such a negative, though. Charles has a right to get pissed at people trying to claim credit for what happens at LGF.

623 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:26:19pm

re: #619 cliffster

And yet there are plenty of people who have some amount of their savings in the markets, even if you should rebalance more conservatively the closer you get to retirement.

624 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:26:26pm

re: #619 cliffster

If you are retired, or anywhere near retirement, and you have a substantial amount of your money in stocks, you are crazy.

Yep.

My stocks had increased in value by 50% over the past couple of years, and that's where it was about 3-4 weeks ago.
That is now down to 17%.

625 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:26:40pm

re: #564 WindUpBird

I don't believe you, and nobody here who votes Democrat with any regularity believes you

tribal dude, tribal
yer killin me!

626 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:26:41pm

Anyways, I've gotta go get some eats; see folks later maybe

627 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:26:42pm

re: #596 EmmmieG

Not going to go back re-read thread, and my computer is hacking up furballs again, but I just thought I'd say:

Editing out blood, daggers, and bodies of wounded soldiers is standard practice? They're admiting this?

I got it!
/We didn't want to expose children to violence, it was our very progressive zero tolerance policy, and we are proud of our efforts to help the children of the world live in an environment free from violent images.

Note to the media this gun is for hire but I don't come cheap.

628 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:26:50pm

re: #616 TheMatrix31

It's a tiny percentage of the posts here, though. Tiny. It really doesn't seem like an issue worth twisting your knickers over.

By getting huffy about it, aren't you participating in the drama?

629 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:27:17pm

re: #579 Obdicut

Why, though? I understand that you're asserting it, but what skin is it off your nose if Charles wants to note that other sites aren't reporting on this story, and that this is probably a result of their strange obsession with hating him?

I don't get it.

Matrix said "constantly", and I agree with him that a valid observation or complaint can get tiresome after a while if it is repeated with sufficient frequency.

630 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:27:26pm

re: #387 albusteve

Afghanistan is the war BO wanted...now he's got it and he can do anything he wants with it...to continuously drag GB into these discussions is juvenile

Good point...bringing up the juvenile president is juvenile.

631 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:27:36pm

re: #622 Obdicut

BTW, my point wasn't directed at Charles. It's his blog, so he makes the topics.

I'm referring to individual commenters on threads having this constant urge to update us on what happens at FreeP or wherever the hell else there is.

632 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:27:52pm

re: #626 windsagio

Anyways, I've gotta go get some eats; see folks later maybe

I'm out too. Only WUB represents the w's now. (If he's staying...)

633 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:28:25pm

re: #622 Obdicut

I don't fault anyone for yawning at it either-- or at our geeky battletech conversations, or people talking about sports, either.

I'm not sure why it's seen as such a negative, though. Charles has a right to get pissed at people trying to claim credit for what happens at LGF.

Well that's certainly true. And he can post whatever he wants to.. I roll my eyes at a good amount of the stuff he puts up about those crazy right wingers, but in the end I jump into whatever conversations I like, intentionally piss off whomever I like, and enjoy the online company of most of the folks here. In a very technically masterful environment. All courtesy of Charles's hard work. So there.

634 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:28:38pm

re: #628 Obdicut

Not really. I'm trying to make people reailze that its just as stupid to, in effect, stalk the stalkers.

635 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:28:56pm

re: #571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody here eat a Qdoba? They won't rest until I am 600 lbs.

Great food. I eat there sometimes, and I love that place.

636 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:29:00pm

re: #607 Obdicut

Lexus paints vehicles in Japan using paint that would be illegal to spray at an American factory due to solvent blends. But customers here don't know that. There are a million examples of that sort of thing.

637 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:29:16pm

re: #628 Obdicut

It's a tiny percentage of the posts here, though. Tiny. It really doesn't seem like an issue worth twisting your knickers over.

By getting huffy about it, aren't you participating in the drama?

most of the worst was way before your time here...consider that

638 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:30:00pm

re: #631 TheMatrix31

BTW, my point wasn't directed at Charles. It's his blog, so he makes the topics.

I'm referring to individual commenters on threads having this constant urge to update us on what happens at FreeP or wherever the hell else there is.

There's lots of intensity right now with the Israeli thing in high gear...just give it a couple of weeks and it'll calm back down...just like a high school romance between the quarterback and head cheerleader gone bad.

639 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:30:16pm

re: #627 brookly red

I got it!
/We didn't want to expose children to violence, it was our very progressive zero tolerance policy, and we are proud of our efforts to help the children of the world live in an environment free from violent images.

Note to the media this gun is for hire but I don't come cheap.

Note to Reuters: if you run with this I got it documented & will sue you six ways to Sunday.

640 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:30:22pm

re: #634 TheMatrix31

Not really. I'm trying to make people reailze that its just as stupid to, in effect, stalk the stalkers.

I agree with you - somewhat.

Perfectly OK to Mock the Stalkers.

Just don't do it obsessively.

641 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:30:29pm

re: #618 EmmmieG

China has probably had several Triangle Shirtwaist factory fires, but without a free press or a free electorate, nothing changed.

Yes, they have. So has India.

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

[Link: www.china.org.cn...]

[Link: axisoflogic.com...]

And many more.

When you don't have real building standards, when you have rampant corruption, and when human life is cheap, well, human life is cheap.

642 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:30:55pm

re: #618 EmmmieG

China has probably had several Triangle Shirtwaist factory fires, but without a free press or a free electorate, nothing changed.

Not to mention the mining disasters over there.

643 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:31:11pm

re: #638 darthstar

It's been around way before this recent issue, lol.

644 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:31:12pm

re: #631 TheMatrix31

I'm glad to hear a bit about it from time to time as I do not lurk those places. But when they choose to trash talk about some of us, I'm glad to hear about it. I'd rather know when my web friends are being insulted, or (not yet) I may be.

645 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:31:24pm

re: #634 TheMatrix31

Not really. I'm trying to make people reailze that its just as stupid to, in effect, stalk the stalkers.

Is it stupid of you to stalk the stalker-stalkers?

646 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:32:05pm

re: #640 Racer X

I agree with you - somewhat.

Perfectly OK to Mock the Stalkers.

Just don't do it obsessivelycompulsively.


ftfy

"Says you" had the difference between "obsession" and "compulsion" on the show yesterday. Obsession is thinking about something. Compulsion is continuously acting on it.

647 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:32:26pm

re: #614 cliffster

you rock, reine

I'm amazed, just amazed, at the lack of empathy I'm seeing here for all the folks whose lives have suddenly become a desperate search for employment to feed families, send kids to college, etc.

Well, of course, all these folks are in the dreaded nasty old ill-educated south. Not worth worrying about, I guess.

648 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:32:27pm

re: #645 Obdicut

That doesn't even make sense. I'm a member here and I read threads.

649 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:32:34pm

re: #643 TheMatrix31

It's been around way before this recent issue, lol.

True...but issues like this tend to kick things into high gear as it's good theatre.

650 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:32:34pm

re: #644 Rightwingconspirator

I'm glad to hear a bit about it from time to time as I do not lurk those places. But when they choose to trash talk about some of us, I'm glad to hear about it. I'd rather know when my web friends are being insulted, or (not yet) I may be.

yes, but tempered so LGF doesn't start to mimic them..use more restraint

651 Kefirah  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:33:15pm

re: #229 ryannon

thank you very much for re.posting this in a live thread.

greatly appreciated.

652 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:33:15pm

re: #624 reine.de.tout

Yep.

My stocks had increased in value by 50% over the past couple of years, and that's where it was about 3-4 weeks ago.
That is now down to 17%.

Forgive me if my statement was a tad harsh. People close to retirement, or retired, should not have a lot of money in equities. A lot of people are, though, and that doesn't make them stupid (or crazy, as I said). Just incorrectly balanced in their portfolio. A lot of people think "everything's going to be good" when they should be thinking, "how do I protect myself?"

653 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:33:23pm

re: #624 reine.de.tout

Yep.

My stocks had increased in value by 50% over the past couple of years, and that's where it was about 3-4 weeks ago.
That is now down to 17%.

People should pay more attention to their money. Have you sold some to protect your capital?

654 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:34:06pm

okay...got some homework to do for work...bbl

655 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:34:08pm

re: #616 TheMatrix31

Not this specific issue. Overall.

You don't see how its alienating to some readers to constantly come to a site (and I've experienced this on non-political blogs too) where there is this constant need to update what's going on on the "other sites" that hate us so? Okay, so some dude says something---who cares, fuck em. Okay, so they don't want to reference LGF---who cares, fuck em.

It's just like HS. "OMG, did you hear what Jenny said? Well, she was talking about how Sharon and Alicia were talking about how Jenny blew that guy in the backroom".

It's just nonsense. Whatever, if you don't understand it then I can't really help you.

I try to come on these blogs to gain information. Back-and-forth is not particularly enriching.

Sorry about that, Matrix. Sometimes I get caught up in that stuff.

656 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:34:10pm

re: #650 albusteve

yes, but tempered so LGF doesn't start to mimic them..use more restraint

in this atmosphere just call me Lucifer...

657 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:34:28pm

Charles reporting on Reuters chicanery is like pots and pans clanging in the background of a symphony. They have this prepackaged hit piece of a story to attack Israel, except for those inconvenient details they'd like everyone to overlook. Especially the part about how the "peace activists" were attacked.

The way I see it, the story is that the IHH considered the actual peace activists as dupes and used them as human shields. They were begging for a violent confrontation.

658 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:34:55pm

re: #647 reine.de.tout

I'm amazed, just amazed, at the lack of empathy I'm seeing here for all the folks whose lives have suddenly become a desperate search for employment to feed families, send kids to college, etc.

Well, of course, all these folks are in the dreaded nasty old ill-educated south. Not worth worrying about, I guess.

I hear you, some kinda cold out there...I'm not surprised, bots don't like to deal with the humanity of individuals...it's all about the collective

659 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:35:06pm

re: #647 reine.de.tout

I'm amazed, just amazed, at the lack of empathy I'm seeing here for all the folks whose lives have suddenly become a desperate search for employment to feed families, send kids to college, etc.

Well, of course, all these folks are in the dreaded nasty old ill-educated south. Not worth worrying about, I guess.

yeah, right? you had it coming, you bunch of inbred racists. Sheesh.

660 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:35:29pm

re: #648 TheMatrix31

That doesn't even make sense. I'm a member here and I read threads.

I'm sorry, but I mainly know you as "that guy who posts about people talking about the stalkers".

Never mind. I need to pack up and get out of work, to face the joys of beginning to pack up stuff before the move.

Have a good one.

661 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:35:58pm

re: #655 Dark_Falcon

That's alright. Just voicing my thoughts.

662 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:36:20pm

re: #652 cliffster

People close to retirement, or retired, should not have a lot of money in equities.

If the economy crashes, not even bonds are safe investment. Municipalities need tax revenue to make their bond payments.

663 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:36:23pm

re: #647 reine.de.tout

I am concerned for them.

I am also concerned for all the people who cannot afford to have their fuel costs rise.

The businesses that will have to lay off people to meet rising costs.

The children who will wear coats inside because their parents can't afford to heat the house above 50.

American prosperity is a recent thing, historically, and can be thrown off by many things.

664 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:36:30pm

re: #647 reine.de.tout

I'm amazed, just amazed, at the lack of empathy I'm seeing here for all the folks whose lives have suddenly become a desperate search for employment to feed families, send kids to college, etc.

Well, of course, all these folks are in the dreaded nasty old ill-educated south. Not worth worrying about, I guess.

Funny how some seem so content to run as fast as they can towards $10 a gallon gas.

Hello? The price of EVERYTHING will increase if that happens.

665 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:37:01pm

re: #653 Boogberg

People should pay more attention to their money. Have you sold some to protect your capital?

I have some that are not in stocks.
These particular stocks I expect to go back up again.
There's one oil stock that's lost a lot. I asked hubby about it, and I expect it will end up being OK as this company is drilling elsewhere (as well as in the Gulf), but it will take awhile. There are two rigs still operating right now, and hubby is on one of 'em, and this company is the one drilling, and they made the well. It's a matter now of whether they'll be allowed to go into production.

666 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:37:29pm

re: #656 brookly red

in this atmosphere just call me Lucifer...


and you was 'round when Jesus Christ
had his moment of doubt and pain

667 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:38:04pm

Attempting to make hay on the Helen Thomas flap:

If Helen Thomas, Then Why Not Pat Buchanan?

So let Helen Thomas go; she earned her unemployment. But the public discourse requires that people of goodwill shout down racists, so let's make sure Thomas is not alone on the "retired" list. Buchanan is far more dangerous than Thomas ever was.

Good luck with that one, Mr. Fauntroy.

668 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:38:07pm

re: #666 albusteve

and you was 'round when Jesus Christ
had his moment of doubt and pain

perfect that that was post #666

669 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:38:26pm

re: #604 researchok

Trading in paper and derivatives is not making money work for you.

It is no different than buying or selling the stock, which are themselves just paper.

Buy real stocks and bonds, long or short.

You contradict your self, "real stocks and bonds" are paper and buying them is the opposite of shorting them.

670 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:38:38pm

re: #658 albusteve

I hear you, some kinda cold out there...I'm not surprised, bots don't like to deal with the humanity of individuals...it's all about the collective

It sure does seem that way.
It's thousands of real live people we're talking about.
Not me and the Roi, we'll be OK.
But thousands of others won't be. I'm about to cry thinking about it.

671 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:38:42pm

re: #668 alexknyc

perfect that that was post #666

YIKES!
bizarre eh?

672 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:39:42pm

re: #647 reine.de.tout

It's a terrible thing. That's what's mostly on my mind, is the devastation to people's ways of life, people who once had a nice little business who now have nothing, absolutely nothing.

I'd like to see us immediately start creating jobs for the cleanup and giving first priority for those jobs to those who have lost theirs because of the spill. I'd like BP to pony up a very, very large amount to kick this off; if they don't, I think that the government should and bill BP for it.

673 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:41:06pm

re: #645 Obdicut

Is it stupid of you to stalk the stalker-stalkers?

Matrix is a member, not a stalker.

674 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:41:07pm

re: #665 reine.de.tout

Having worked my whole career in manufacturing, I am stunned by the ineptitude on display in this disaster. Any piece of equipment can and will eventually fail. To not have a workable, tested plan or even a semblance of a plan for any possible failure makes me shake my head and wonder at how deep is the ineptitude.

675 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:41:33pm

re: #667 freetoken

Attempting to make hay on the Helen Thomas flap:

If Helen Thomas, Then Why Not Pat Buchanan?

Good luck with that one, Mr. Fauntroy.

IOKIYAR, of course, always

676 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:42:15pm

re: #673 Bagua

Matrix is a member, not a stalker.

But a member can still stalk. The word is still part of the english language

677 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:42:27pm

re: #672 Obdicut

The better answer is to not do the moratorium. Devote time, people, resources to ensuring all the BOP's are working and well run. Stop the moratorium. Its just not necessary. Those rigs are going to leave to do the same thing in foreign waters.

How is that any better for the environment?

678 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:42:33pm

On that topic, (Aren't I Miss Mary Sunshine today?), I am fully aware that I am incredibly fortunate to live in a time and place where I have never had to send my children to bed hungry because we had no food.

(As opposed to sending a kid to bed hungry because he wouldn't eat pasta primavera, which just doesn't wrench at my heartstrings.)

679 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:42:35pm

re: #634 TheMatrix31

Not really. I'm trying to make people reailze that its just as stupid to, in effect, stalk the stalkers.

True...But once you are smeared on the Internet you take notice and keep track of the lies...I was smeared as a Charity Pimp..My website was trashed..I was called every name in the book.. A lot of it really hurt my feelings...I read every attack And did I rarely ever post about it...It has got to be water off the back of a duck.. Charles has taught me a lot rising above the fray...
I don't stalk the stalkers. I don't give them the time of day anymore..But unfortunately I read all the insults written by them on the Internet...And the days I read nothing about me I breathe a sigh of relief...I know Charles will never see that day..

680 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:42:47pm

re: #674 mich-again

That is so true. I've been harping on this and mostly I get, "hey, this was a big thing - you can't be ready for everything". Bullshit, there should be a plan in place for every worst case scenario.

681 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:43:12pm

re: #670 reine.de.tout

It sure does seem that way.
It's thousands of real live people we're talking about.
Not me and the Roi, we'll be OK.
But thousands of others won't be. I'm about to cry thinking about it.

good for you's
I get very emotional about it really quick...my memories along those places...a working stiff down on the Gulf that has an accent so heavy it sounds foreign...some of the best folks anywhere, and caretakers for such a unique and unusual land and heritage....I get really pissed...it's my land and my neighbors too

682 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:43:14pm

re: #675 WindUpBird

IOKIYAR, of course, always

I think Buchanan should have been put out to pasture years ago but then who would MSNBC have on to show that all conservatives are raving lunatics?

683 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:43:42pm

re: #679 HoosierHoops

Hoops, don't ever change. Your stuff reads fine to me.

684 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:43:58pm

re: #682 alexknyc

I think Buchanan should have been put out to pasture years ago but then who would MSNBC have on to show that all conservatives are raving lunatics?

Palin already has a gig...

685 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:44:06pm

re: #672 Obdicut

It's a terrible thing. That's what's mostly on my mind, is the devastation to people's ways of life, people who once had a nice little business who now have nothing, absolutely nothing.

I'd like to see us immediately start creating jobs for the cleanup and giving first priority for those jobs to those who have lost theirs because of the spill. I'd like BP to pony up a very, very large amount to kick this off; if they don't, I think that the government should and bill BP for it.

agreed, all of it...
and now is not soon enough

686 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:44:47pm

re: #680 cliffster

That is so true. I've been harping on this and mostly I get, "hey, this was a big thing - you can't be ready for everything". Bullshit, there should be a plan in place for every worst case scenario.

Actually there is a plan in place for the worst case scenario, relief wells. That has always being the ultimate fallback.

687 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:45:20pm

re: #672 Obdicut

It's a terrible thing. That's what's mostly on my mind, is the devastation to people's ways of life, people who once had a nice little business who now have nothing, absolutely nothing.

I'd like to see us immediately start creating jobs for the cleanup and giving first priority for those jobs to those who have lost theirs because of the spill. I'd like BP to pony up a very, very large amount to kick this off; if they don't, I think that the government should and bill BP for it.

Yes - I'd like to see something structured. WPA-style. Let's get this shit fixed. For what it's worth, there's not enough money in BP's coffers to cover the damage that will be done to businesses.

688 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:45:56pm

re: #667 freetoken

Attempting to make hay on the Helen Thomas flap:

If Helen Thomas, Then Why Not Pat Buchanan?

Good luck with that one, Mr. Fauntroy.

Pat Buchanan? That would be fantastic! It would be an anti-semite Twofer extravaganza!

689 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:46:34pm

re: #686 Bagua

Actually there is a plan in place for the worst case scenario, relief wells. That has always being the ultimate fallback.

something that doesn't take 5 months of unadulterated spewing of oil?

690 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:47:36pm

re: #422 Joo-LiZ

I wish more people would phrase the argument in this way.

I think it's one of those topics that separates the reflexive right from the think right. If you can't see the benefit to national security and our economy as a whole to shift away from Oil -- environmental arguments be damned -- there is something wrong, there.

I have no issue with shifting away from oil.

It's doing it before there is an alternative that I have an issue with.

And also -
It's doing it, needlessly, in such a way that thousands of people are suddenly without employment, the jobs they've worked and trained in for years, with no lead time, no time to seek new employment or seek training for new employment.

691 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:48:23pm

re: #676 WindUpBird

But a member can still stalk. The word is still part of the english language

fer god's sake...if you are obsessed with stalkers, surly they are everywhere...maybe you're a closet stalker....hahaha!...or a stealth stalker, the possibilities are endless!...a blogprog beanstalker

692 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:48:26pm

re: #666 albusteve

and you was 'round when Jesus Christ
had his moment of doubt and pain

you know you did hit # 666 with that one :)

693 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:48:37pm

re: #680 cliffster

Absolutely. Its called Failure Mode Effects Analysis or FMEA. Its a study of how failure of every single component will affect the overall operation so contingencies and redundant systems can be put in place to prevent failure of the overall system. I get the impression that BP was only concerned with getting oil out of the ground into the tanker and everything else was a nuisance that ate into their profits. Shame on our politicians and regulators who let them get away with it.

694 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:49:03pm

anyone else notice there are certain people who just get a pass on complaining about what Charles posts? Part of LGF is monitoring blogs. Especially blogs that are full of racism, bigotry, conpsiracy theories,anti-science maniacs, and the like. That's part of what the blog does.

If I called the blog and its news articles "high school" crap, I'd be reamed. Just you know, an observation from a Dirty Fucking Hippie who Doesn't Count DURR HURR DUHHH

695 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:49:23pm

re: #667 freetoken

Attempting to make hay on the Helen Thomas flap:

If Helen Thomas, Then Why Not Pat Buchanan?

Good luck with that one, Mr. Fauntroy.

Yeah, but at least this is one story from the HuffPo that we can agree with. A welcome break from the river of vile Jew-Hate that has been flowing from that site as of late.

696 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:49:27pm

re: #687 cliffster

Yes - I'd like to see something structured. WPA-style. Let's get this shit fixed. For what it's worth, there's not enough money in BP's coffers to cover the damage that will be done to businesses.

Sure there is, more than enough in just a years profit.

The real question, is it really in our long term interest to bankrupt BP and cause an exodus of oil exploration in the US? The whole point of the $75 million cap was to encourage them to drill here and not in Africa where they have no such worries.

Ok, never-mind $75 million, say BP spends a billion, two billion. Where does it stop? The lawyers are lining up to the banquet here. Do we kill the golden goose to get at the egg or not?

697 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:50:00pm

re: #692 brookly red

you know you did hit # 666 with that one :)

of course, let that be a warning bro

698 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:50:21pm

re: #690 reine.de.tout

I have no issue with shifting away from oil.

It's doing it before there is an alternative that I have an issue with.

And also -
It's doing it, needlessly, in such a way that thousands of people are suddenly without employment, the jobs they've worked and trained in for years, with no lead time, no time to seek new employment or seek training for new employment.

The problem reine, is the majority of people are willing to sacrifice smaller groups to guarantee the stability of the majority.

699 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:50:25pm

re: #683 Rightwingconspirator

Hoops, don't ever change. Your stuff reads fine to me.

I'll never ever change....
I am a very positive person and my mom always said I have never met a stranger..I love people and trust me..I'm not shy..
*wink*

700 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:50:27pm

re: #674 mich-again

Having worked my whole career in manufacturing, I am stunned by the ineptitude on display in this disaster. Any piece of equipment can and will eventually fail. To not have a workable, tested plan or even a semblance of a plan for any possible failure makes me shake my head and wonder at how deep is the ineptitude.

The BOP worked as best it could work, under the circumstances, I believe.

The real problem here - was the godawful decisions made by the BP company man on that rig, ignoring the very common and known warning signs of problems with that well, and not just continuing on, but continuing on a path of the least safe way to finish that well. gah.

701 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:50:43pm

re: #694 WindUpBird

anyone else notice there are certain people who just get a pass on complaining about what Charles posts? Part of LGF is monitoring blogs. Especially blogs that are full of racism, bigotry, conpsiracy theories,anti-science maniacs, and the like. That's part of what the blog does.

If I called the blog and its news articles "high school" crap, I'd be reamed. Just you know, an observation from a Dirty Fucking Hippie who Doesn't Count DURR HURR DUHHH

There are people to the left of you politically on this blog.

Maybe it's the way you do things rather than what you do.

702 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:50:57pm

re: #696 Bagua

Sure there is, more than enough in just a years profit.

The real question, is it really in our long term interest to bankrupt BP and cause an exodus of oil exploration in the US? The whole point of the $75 million cap was to encourage them to drill here and not in Africa where they have no such worries.

Ok, never-mind $75 million, say BP spends a billion, two billion. Where does it stop? The lawyers are lining up to the banquet here. Do we kill the golden goose to get at the egg or not?

I say we do

703 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:51:03pm

re: #697 albusteve

of course, let that be a warning bro

what you got?

704 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:51:10pm

re: #696 Bagua

no, I don't want oil companies to go out of business.

705 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:51:12pm

re: #696 Bagua

Ok, never-mind $75 million, say BP spends a billion, two billion. Where does it stop? The lawyers are lining up to the banquet here. Do we kill the golden goose to get at the egg or not?

How many billions did the tobacco industry get tagged for? I think it would make $2 billion seem awful small.

706 TampaKnight  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:51:14pm

Evening folks.

707 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:51:33pm

re: #698 b_sharp

The problem reine, is the majority of people are willing to sacrifice smaller groups to guarantee the stability of the majority.

Yes, it seems that Louisiana/Mississippi/Texas/Alabama residents are to be sacrificed.
So be it.

708 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:51:34pm

And food beckons...later all.

709 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:51:54pm

re: #697 albusteve

of course, let that be a warning bro

It didn't happen by accident. The man has connections.

710 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:51:56pm

re: #692 brookly red

you know you did hit # 666 with that one :)

So you admit you're in need of some restraint? ;)

711 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:52:14pm

re: #703 brookly red

what you got?

red eyes and horns

712 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:52:32pm

re: #694 WindUpBird

anyone else notice there are certain people who just get a pass on complaining about what Charles posts? Part of LGF is monitoring blogs. Especially blogs that are full of racism, bigotry, conpsiracy theories,anti-science maniacs, and the like. That's part of what the blog does.

If I called the blog and its news articles "high school" crap, I'd be reamed. Just you know, an observation from a Dirty Fucking Hippie who Doesn't Count DURR HURR DUHHH

It depends on how many people hate you. I've taken plenty of abuse here in the past for unpopular opinions. Everybody gets their turn eventually. That's life.

713 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:52:35pm

re: #698 b_sharp

The problem reine, is the majority of people are willing to sacrifice smaller groups to guarantee the stability of the majority.

And the thing is - this sacrifice is not going to ensure the stability of the majority, not short-term, nor longer term.
It. Will. Not.

714 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:52:49pm

re: #667 freetoken

Attempting to make hay on the Helen Thomas flap:

If Helen Thomas, Then Why Not Pat Buchanan?

Good luck with that one, Mr. Fauntroy.

Well he has a point, no? I think they both equally suck.

715 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:52:54pm

re: #694 WindUpBird

anyone else notice there are certain people who just get a pass on complaining about what Charles posts? Part of LGF is monitoring blogs. Especially blogs that are full of racism, bigotry, conpsiracy theories,anti-science maniacs, and the like. That's part of what the blog does.

If I called the blog and its news articles "high school" crap, I'd be reamed. Just you know, an observation from a Dirty Fucking Hippie who Doesn't Count DURR HURR DUHHH

That would be good, if I was criticizing the stuff Charles posts and the article.

I was CLEARLY talking about posts.

716 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:52:55pm

re: #707 reine.de.tout

Yes, it seems that Louisiana/Mississippi/Texas/Alabama residents are to be sacrificed.
So be it.

They all go GOP in 2008?

717 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:53:11pm

re: #689 cliffster

something that doesn't take 5 months of unadulterated spewing of oil?

The first relief well due a total of 3 months from the start have a chance, but if they fail it goes beyond that.

And we don't have "unadulterated spewing" we are adulterating it with dispersants, siphoning off an increasing amount, and skimming up much of the rest.

But with that said, ya, it is still Spewing out, but with almost 50% being captured less than two months out.

718 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:53:41pm

re: #694 WindUpBird

anyone else notice there are certain people who just get a pass on complaining about what Charles posts? Part of LGF is monitoring blogs. Especially blogs that are full of racism, bigotry, conpsiracy theories,anti-science maniacs, and the like. That's part of what the blog does.

If I called the blog and its news articles "high school" crap, I'd be reamed. Just you know, an observation from a Dirty Fucking Hippie who Doesn't Count DURR HURR DUHHH

Oh, fer gawd's sake, WUB, don't you have anything more important to complain about?

Sheesh.
This is petty nothing.

719 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:53:56pm

re: #704 cliffster

no, I don't want oil companies to go out of business.

Do you believe there should be an example made of BP as a deterrent for other companies?

720 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:54:06pm

gonna go walk the dogs. Those giant, drooling, barking, biting pains in the ass. Maybe they'll break the leash and run away... be back later

721 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:54:16pm

re: #696 Bagua

Sure there is, more than enough in just a years profit.

The real question, is it really in our long term interest to bankrupt BP and cause an exodus of oil exploration in the US? The whole point of the $75 million cap was to encourage them to drill here and not in Africa where they have no such worries.

Ok, never-mind $75 million, say BP spends a billion, two billion. Where does it stop? The lawyers are lining up to the banquet here. Do we kill the golden goose to get at the egg or not?

We should not. We cannot allow BP to be torn apart, though we should see them punished severely.

722 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:54:28pm

Levin: Pat Buchanan Is Helen Thomas In Drag

Nice slamming of that POS. Go Mark.

723 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:54:59pm

re: #719 b_sharp

Do you believe there should be an example made of BP as a deterrent for other companies?

HELL YES!!!!!!

All the oil companies need to know that it will cost more to cut corners than to do it right.

724 TampaKnight  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:55:09pm

re: #722 TheMatrix31

Levin: Pat Buchanan Is Helen Thomas In Drag

Nice slamming of that POS. Go Mark.

I like Levin.

725 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:55:42pm

re: #719 b_sharp

Do you believe there should be an example made of BP as a deterrent for other companies?

What about for the folks in government that gave them a free pass to do it without full examination of the well? What do we do to them?

BP was NOT alone here in this.

726 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:56:35pm

re: #719 b_sharp

Do you believe there should be an example made of BP as a deterrent for other companies?

Oh, my yes!

I hope they go out of business and all those highly paid execs who've been making STUPID statements and not showing any sort of sympathy or empathy for what they've caused all go broke and get divorced by their trophy wives.
Seriously, I hope that happens.

My problem is with this idea that ALL companies MUST be punished, along with all their employees.

727 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:57:07pm

re: #676 WindUpBird

But a member can still stalk. The word is still part of the english language

Some members here do stalk other members.

re: #694 WindUpBird

...
If I called the blog and its news articles "high school" crap, I'd be reamed. Just you know, an observation from a Dirty Fucking Hippie who Doesn't Count DURR HURR DUHHH

You say lots of shit, we all do. But when you post nonsense like that it is no surprise if someone takes issue with you. Enough of this victimisation bullshit, you are not censored.

728 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:58:42pm

re: #700 reine.de.tout

I don't know beans about drilling for oil at the bottom of the sea, but it seems to me if you are going to make a hole in the ground that will release oil under high pressure, that you absolutely need a shutoff valve so you can shut off the flow if the pipeline breaks. But I'd love to hear someone explain to me why that isn't necessary.

729 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:58:44pm

re: #719 b_sharp

Do you believe there should be an example made of BP as a deterrent for other companies?

only by default...in my mind BP is into this thing for everything they are worth and maybe more...if they can't pay the bills and continue to drill, too fucking bad...then you have to step up and pay for it

730 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:59:35pm

re: #727 Bagua

You say lots of shit, we all do. But when you post nonsense like that it is no surprise if someone takes issue with you. Enough of this victimisation bullshit, you are not censored.

Standard tactic of WUB. I like him but he does sometimes lump all the people right-of-center into the 'wingnut' category.

731 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 5:59:44pm

re: #409 windsagio

I know this is personal to you Reine, but that's not really relevant to my point.

Not personal to me, we'll be fine, as I've said.

There are thousands of people who won't be.

732 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:00:43pm

re: #730 Dark_Falcon

Standard tactic of WUB. I like him but he does sometimes lump all the people right-of-center into the 'wingnut' category.

yup, more boring partisanship

733 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:01:05pm

re: #728 mich-again

I don't know beans about drilling for oil at the bottom of the sea, but it seems to me if you are going to make a hole in the ground that will release oil under high pressure, that you absolutely need a shutoff valve so you can shut off the flow if the pipeline breaks. But I'd love to hear someone explain to me why that isn't necessary.

The "shut off valve" is the BOP. But it's supposed to be the last resort.

The FIRST resort is - you push mud down into the formation at a pressure that will push the gas and oil back down. This is done REGULARLY.

734 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:02:02pm

re: #733 reine.de.tout

The "shut off valve" is the BOP. But it's supposed to be the last resort.

The FIRST resort is - you push mud down into the formation at a pressure that will push the gas and oil back down. This is done REGULARLY.

I will add - it's done at the FIRST warning sign, which is what BP did its level best to ignore - and the second, and third . . .

735 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:02:25pm

re: #615 mich-again

Lots of American jobs rely on the Stock Market to raise capital to invest in new facilities and R&D. To infer the stock market is nothing but a poker table for the rich is untrue.

I didn't infer. I implied.

736 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:02:53pm

re: #669 Bagua

You contradict your self, "real stocks and bonds" are paper and buying them is the opposite of shorting them.

Bagua, there is a difference.

Stocks and bonds are real ownership. Management is accountable to stock and bond holders.

Derivatives and other instruments are predicated on trading paper only, far removed from ownership.

737 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:03:00pm

re: #730 Dark_Falcon

And use the word "tribal" or some form of it, don't forget that.

738 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:03:07pm

re: #732 albusteve

yup, more boring partisanship

Tribalism!

739 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:03:56pm

re: #738 Racer X

Tribalism!

I'll take that over "monolithic."

740 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:04:04pm

re: #738 Racer X

Tribalism!

I try to be biTribalist

741 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:04:17pm

re: #726 reine.de.tout

Oh, my yes!

I hope they go out of business and all those highly paid execs who've been making STUPID statements and not showing any sort of sympathy or empathy for what they've caused all go broke and get divorced by their trophy wives.
Seriously, I hope that happens.

My problem is with this idea that ALL companies MUST be punished, along with all their employees.

We need deep water engineering to advance because of this...Yes even in accidents we reform and advance in engineering..
Back when we lost the thresher the Navy started a program called Subsafe...Rigid engineering standards..It took me about 2 years to earn that qual..Pain in the ass! We have not lost a boat since...
I feel so much for the Southern Coast.. This is a disaster I have never seen before.. God Bless you folks!

742 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:04:27pm

re: #739 JasonA

Triballific!

743 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:05:30pm

re: #742 jaunte

Triballific!

TriBall....three balls, three batters at once

744 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:05:33pm

BP Announces first payment on Barrier Islands Project for State of Louisiana.

It's about goddammed time.

745 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:05:36pm

re: #735 Cato the Elder

Point taken.

746 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:05:47pm

re: #599 Boogberg

Well if you have some money, why not make it work for you?

Because I wouldn't trust it to anything less secure than a triple-A-plus muni bond, and because having the amount of money I do have at my disposal is far more crucial than the piddling interest I can earn on those.

Like, for buying food. As with 99.99999% of humanity.

My portfolio is in my brain, and my stocks are on my rifles.

747 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:05:49pm

re: #705 mich-again

How many billions did the tobacco industry get tagged for? I think it would make $2 billion seem awful small.

I'm not sure, but $2 billion is not a small amount, and it looks like BP will voluntarily spend more than that. What about smaller companies than BP, will they want to drill in the US? This Kill The Pig mentality is satisfying in the short term, but if it costs the US trillions of dollars in the next couple of decades, that will be ugly for the economy and the American standard of living.

The fact is, BP did screw up, and they are stepping up to the plate and spending hundreds of millions to do the right thing. All the oil explorers are watching this, none of them could match BP's response. If insist on destroying BP, the US will be out of the oil business, with devastating effect on the economy.

748 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:07:04pm

re: #744 reine.de.tout

BP Announces first payment on Barrier Islands Project for State of Louisiana.

It's about goddammed time.

every single business and individual deserves full payback...hundreds of billions imo...BP will have to go down

749 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:07:16pm

re: #645 Obdicut

Is it stupid of you to stalk the stalker-stalkers?

You're stalking through your hat.

750 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:07:24pm

re: #742 jaunte

Triballific!

heheh.
Oh puh-leeeze!

751 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:08:26pm

re: #713 reine.de.tout

And the thing is - this sacrifice is not going to ensure the stability of the majority, not short-term, nor longer term.
It. Will. Not.

In politics it isn't reality that matters, it is the perception of reality. The perception is that the country will be better off if no more wells are allowed to continue until safety measures are guaranteed. That perception includes the Gulf coast states as being better off in the long run.

Regulations should have been in place, and enforced, before deep water drilling was licensed. Unfortunately, that is not reality either.

Obama had little choice. He had to weigh the perceptions of non-Gulf coast citizens, the majority of the US, against the the perceptions of the Gulf coast citizens. Politicians, all politicians are ruled by political expediency.

Do what activists do, write letters, complain, protest the decision. Anything. Just don't give up, and don't let your husband give up.

752 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:08:26pm

please excuse me there are some restless souls in need or torment... I shall return, of that you can be sure ;)

753 mich-again  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:08:41pm

re: #733 reine.de.tout

I have to say, shooting mud into a leak to try to make it stop is a weak plan at best.

754 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:10:33pm

re: #751 b_sharp

In politics it isn't reality that matters, it is the perception of reality. The perception is that the country will be better off if no more wells are allowed to continue until safety measures are guaranteed. That perception includes the Gulf coast states as being better off in the long run.

Regulations should have been in place, and enforced, before deep water drilling was licensed. Unfortunately, that is not reality either.

Obama had little choice. He had to weigh the perceptions of non-Gulf coast citizens, the majority of the US, against the the perceptions of the Gulf coast citizens. Politicians, all politicians are ruled by political expediency.

Do what activists do, write letters, complain, protest the decision. Anything. Just don't give up, and don't let your husband give up.

Yes, I've written a couple of letters to places I think can stir things up a bit, more than I can.

and Jindal and Mary Landrieu have sent the President information about the economics of this thing that I hope he takes a serious look at.

755 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:10:53pm

re: #752 brookly red

please excuse me there are some restless souls in need or torment... I shall return, of that you can be sure ;)

What are we, chopped liver?

756 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:11:17pm

What?

Image: Ceec9.jpg

757 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:11:44pm

If only Kramer's bladder system was real.

758 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:11:52pm

re: #756 Racer X

What?

Image: Ceec9.jpg

Looks like my house

759 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:12:28pm

re: #753 mich-again

I have to say, shooting mud into a leak to try to make it stop is a weak plan at best.

It's called mud.
But it isn't really mud.
It's fluid, water based, or oil based, or synthetic based, that is changed by additives to meet various requirements at various times during the drilling process as well as meet whatever is required for the type of formation they're drilling into.

760 ShaunP  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:13:01pm

re: #746 Cato the Elder

Because I wouldn't trust it to anything less secure than a triple-A-plus muni bond, and because having the amount of money I do have at my disposal is far more crucial than the piddling interest I can earn on those.

Like, for buying food. As with 99.99999% of humanity.

My portfolio is in my brain, and my stocks are on my rifles.

Investing is inherently risky. If you want a safe investment, open a savings account and relish your 2% return. The reason you see 10, 20, 30% return rates are because they can turn to shit at anytime.

Put it this way; do you have sympathy when people lose their shirt in vegas? Honestly, if you are retiring in the next five years, you should be looking to move your investments to something more secure, but gets you a lower rate of return. Muni's or AAA bonds (if you are feeling fiesty). Losing your retirement fund a year before you retire shouldn't happen to anyone...

If you are more than five years away; your portfolio will recover. I know that sounds heartless, but it's the truth...

761 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:13:16pm

re: #754 reine.de.tout

Yes, I've written a couple of letters to places I think can stir things up a bit, more than I can.

and Jindal and Mary Landrieu have sent the President information about the economics of this thing that I hope he takes a serious look at.

BO is busy making out with P McCartney....wait one

762 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:13:47pm

re: #736 researchok

Bagua, there is a difference.

Stocks and bonds are real ownership. Management is accountable to stock and bond holders.

Derivatives and other instruments are predicated on trading paper only, far removed from ownership.

Nonsense. The options are very real privileges to sell or buy those same stocks at set prices with set expiration. The only difference is the owners option not to buy or sell and the stocks float and have no expiration. The stocks themselves are paper and the average owner has no voice, only the majority owners. Basically they are derivatives of a derivative.

The average investor cares nothing about influencing ownership, they are speculating on pieces of paper. If I have an in the money leap option on Walmart, it behaves essentially the same as owning the stock, adjusted by the applicable greeks.

763 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:14:07pm

re: #694 WindUpBird

anyone else notice there are certain people who just get a pass on complaining about what Charles posts? Part of LGF is monitoring blogs. Especially blogs that are full of racism, bigotry, conpsiracy theories,anti-science maniacs, and the like. That's part of what the blog does.

If I called the blog and its news articles "high school" crap, I'd be reamed. Just you know, an observation from a Dirty Fucking Hippie who Doesn't Count DURR HURR DUHHH

You are perfectly able to disagree with Charles, you just have to do it like an adult, not a three year old throwing a tantrum. That said, this is Charle's blog and questioning why he posted something or didn't post something else is just plain rude and can get you banned, rightly so.

You will not get banned for having a legitimate opinion that you can back up with reasoning and logic, not that I have seen anyway. I think you need to rethink your presumption of bias here WUB, weird how all the wingnuts are convinced that this site is biased against them at the very same time that you are and based upon the same content...

/give me a effing break.

764 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:14:10pm

re: #759 reine.de.tout

It's called mud.
But it isn't really mud.
It's fluid, water based, or oil based, or synthetic based, that is changed by additives to meet various requirements at various times during the drilling process as well as meet whatever is required for the type of formation they're drilling into.

Here's the part about controlling well pressure;


Control formation pressures

* If formation pressure increases, mud density should also be increased, often with barite (or other weighting materials) to balance pressure and keep the wellbore stable. Unbalanced formation pressures will cause an unexpected influx of pressure in the wellbore possibly leading to a blowout from pressured formation fluids.
* Hydrostatic pressure = density of drilling fluid * true vertical depth* acceleration of gravity (m/s2). If hydrostatic pressure is greater than or equal to formation pressure, formation fluid will not flow into the wellbore.
* Well control means no uncontrollable flow of formation fluids into the wellbore.
* Hydrostatic pressure also controls the stresses caused by tectonic forces, these may make wellbores unstable even when formation fluid pressure is balanced.
* If formation pressure is subnormal, air, gas, mist, stiff foam, or low density mud (oil base) can be used.
* In practice, mud density should be limited to the minimum necessary for well control and wellbore stability. If too great it may fracture the formation.

765 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:14:54pm

You know, it's funny.

When it's a matter of exposing right-wing hypocrisy, the wingnuts go crazeeshit on Charles.

When the shoe is on the other foot, the moonbats have a shit-fit.

And each "side" will claim that they're being misrepresented.

It's highly enjoyable. And I feel very comfortable, stuck in the middle with (most of) you.

766 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:16:41pm

re: #765 Cato the Elder

You know, it's funny.

When it's a matter of exposing right-wing hypocrisy, the wingnuts go crazeeshit on Charles.

When the shoe is on the other foot, the moonbats have a shit-fit.

And each "side" will claim that they're being misrepresented.

It's highly enjoyable. And I feel very comfortable, stuck in the middle with (most of) you.

Can I steal that?

767 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:17:01pm

re: #765 Cato the Elder

You know, it's funny.

When it's a matter of exposing right-wing hypocrisy, the wingnuts go crazeeshit on Charles.

When the shoe is on the other foot, the moonbats have a shit-fit.

And each "side" will claim that they're being misrepresented.

It's highly enjoyable. And I feel very comfortable, stuck in the middle with (most of) you.

I'm a fair guy, I hate everybody equally

768 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:17:09pm

re: #765 Cato the Elder

You know, it's funny.

When it's a matter of exposing right-wing hypocrisy, the wingnuts go crazeeshit on Charles.

When the shoe is on the other foot, the moonbats have a shit-fit.

And each "side" will claim that they're being misrepresented.

It's highly enjoyable. And I feel very comfortable, stuck in the middle with (most of) you.

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...

769 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:17:48pm

re: #766 reine.de.tout

Can I steal that?

Too late. I stole it first.

770 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:17:50pm

re: #767 albusteve

not really

771 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:18:59pm

re: #767 albusteve

I'm a fair guy, I hate everybody equally

Well except for Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. You certainly don't hate them.

772 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:19:41pm

re: #770 albusteve

not really

We know Steve. You are full of love. You just cannot hide it!

773 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:19:45pm

re: #771 Dark_Falcon

Well except for Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. You certainly don't hate them.

we're still all friendly blokes

774 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:19:53pm

re: #764 reine.de.tout

I've been wondering about this part:

the stresses caused by tectonic forces, these may make wellbores unstable even when formation fluid pressure is balanced.


Could the weight of a mile of seawater pressing down on the formation have a similar effect to tectonic forces?

775 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:20:40pm

re: #725 brownbagj

What about for the folks in government that gave them a free pass to do it without full examination of the well? What do we do to them?

BP was NOT alone here in this.

We have been told by libertarians and conservatives that regulations are not only unnecessary, because the system will police itself, but actually bad for the system. If this was true then the blame cannot be placed on regulatory organizations, only on the companies.

Of course this isn't part of reality so the staff at those regulatory organizations, if they did not enforce the regulations, should be fired. Now the question I have is, did the regulatory organizations screw up, did the oil companies lie, or were the regulations toothless?

776 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:21:27pm

re: #751 b_sharp

...

Regulations should have been in place, and enforced, before deep water drilling was licensed. Unfortunately, that is not reality either.
...

Regulations were in place, the regulator screwed up and approved the faulty plans. All the warning signs were there, the regulators missed them. There is no evidence of a failure of regulations, and every evidence of a failure of the regulators.

BP made some bad judgement calls, and the regulators approved each and every one of them. I doubt any of these mistakes will be made again, the lesson has been learned. But sure, let's go on and on about regulation and de-regulation and pretend that is the issue with this incident.

777 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:22:08pm

re: #767 albusteve

Allow me to introduce myself: I'm your biggest fan for that remark :)

778 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:22:21pm

re: #760 ShaunP

Investing is inherently risky. If you want a safe investment, open a savings account and relish your 2% return. The reason you see 10, 20, 30% return rates are because they can turn to shit at anytime.

Put it this way; do you have sympathy when people lose their shirt in vegas? Honestly, if you are retiring in the next five years, you should be looking to move your investments to something more secure, but gets you a lower rate of return. Muni's or AAA bonds (if you are feeling fiesty). Losing your retirement fund a year before you retire shouldn't happen to anyone...

If you are more than five years away; your portfolio will recover. I know that sounds heartless, but it's the truth...

Fella, the reality is that most people on the planet, if they have any "retirement fund" at all, rely on whatever social security there is in their country. I am one of those. I have lived off my wits for over six decades, and most people live hand-to-mouth.

I know that the American religion requires me to have a portfolio, and I also know that my Social Security payments may evaporate into meaningless numbers by the time I'm eligible to collect them, but that's the way most people roll.

En plus, I always believed Jesus when he talked about sparrows and lilies. Paper means nothing to me, nor does treasure in the bank.

Don't worry; I won't ask you for a handout. I fully expect the notional wealth embodied in paper money and paper stocks and electronic pixel bonds to go "poof" sometime in my life, and I'm prepared to deal with that.

People who believe they have "portfolios" will be in for a shock, though.

P.S. I do own some real property. My home, my castle. And I'm enough of a "survivalist" to have real edible stuff socked away to last me for a good long while. Right now I'm living off my fat. At this rate, I'll be skinny again in about two years.

779 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:22:29pm

Top 10 Facts About Nymphomaniacs

Because I know half of you were dying to know.

780 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:22:46pm

re: #774 jaunte

I've been wondering about this part:


Could the weight of a mile of seawater pressing down on the formation have a similar effect to tectonic forces?

it certainly does...plate techtonics is heavily influenced by the weight of the sea...if we fuck around with it long enough, maybe we could get CA to fall into the Pacific and drift away...how cool would that be?

781 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:23:39pm

re: #726 reine.de.tout

Oh, my yes!

I hope they go out of business and all those highly paid execs who've been making STUPID statements and not showing any sort of sympathy or empathy for what they've caused all go broke and get divorced by their trophy wives.
Seriously, I hope that happens.

My problem is with this idea that ALL companies MUST be punished, along with all their employees.

I agree with you. I really do hope part of their punishment is to recompense all of the people whose livelihoods have been destroyed. I would like to see everyone given enough money to allow them to start over if need be.

782 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:23:52pm

re: #780 albusteve

I've heard it's mostly made of bits and pieces that keep drifting up from the south and getting stuck.

783 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:24:11pm

re: #776 Bagua

Regulations were in place, the regulator screwed up and approved the faulty plans. All the warning signs were there, the regulators missed them. There is no evidence of a failure of regulations, and every evidence of a failure of the regulators.

BP made some bad judgement calls, and the regulators approved each and every one of them. I doubt any of these mistakes will be made again, the lesson has been learned. But sure, let's go on and on about regulation and de-regulation and pretend that is the issue with this incident.

nicely said

784 brownbagj  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:24:17pm

re: #775 b_sharp

We have been told by libertarians and conservatives that regulations are not only unnecessary, because the system will police itself, but actually bad for the system. If this was true then the blame cannot be placed on regulatory organizations, only on the companies.

Of course this isn't part of reality so the staff at those regulatory organizations, if they did not enforce the regulations, should be fired. Now the question I have is, did the regulatory organizations screw up, did the oil companies lie, or were the regulations toothless?

My understanding is that there are regulations in place for more strict compliance, but that MMS gave BP a pass (in other words, they agreed with BP that a disaster was not likely and therefore did not push BP for more inspections).

Try this link...Your text to link...

785 ShaunP  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:24:29pm

re: #778 Cato the Elder

Just FYI; I was agreeing with you and elaborating on the point you were making. Unfortunately, I too will likely be living off my social security and thanking my lucky stars that they weren't tied to the market a couple of years ago...

786 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:24:48pm

re: #777 EdDantes

Allow me to introduce myself: I'm your biggest fan for that remark :)

it's an old one, but true

787 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:24:49pm

re: #776 Bagua

Regulations were in place, the regulator screwed up and approved the faulty plans. All the warning signs were there, the regulators missed them. There is no evidence of a failure of regulations, and every evidence of a failure of the regulators.

BP made some bad judgement calls, and the regulators approved each and every one of them. I doubt any of these mistakes will be made again, the lesson has been learned. But sure, let's go on and on about regulation and de-regulation and pretend that is the issue with this incident.

The regulations are there, but they they weren't enforced. Has anything changed to ensure that they will be from now on?

788 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:24:52pm

re: #753 mich-again

I have to say, shooting mud into a leak to try to make it stop is a weak plan at best.

Weak plan? It is the industry standard way of controlling wells all over the world. There is no other way. Hydrostatic pressure is what it is, basic physics. You are complaining about something as basic as gravity and asking why anti-gravity ships haven't been designed. Best use a parachute in the mean time.

789 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:26:03pm

I should not be so mean to CA...I'll work on it

790 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:26:05pm

re: #775 b_sharp

We have been told by libertarians and conservatives that regulations are not only unnecessary, because the system will police itself, but actually bad for the system. If this was true then the blame cannot be placed on regulatory organizations, only on the companies.

Of course this isn't part of reality so the staff at those regulatory organizations, if they did not enforce the regulations, should be fired. Now the question I have is, did the regulatory organizations screw up, did the oil companies lie, or were the regulations toothless?

Why can't it be all three?

792 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:28:07pm

re: #732 albusteve

yup, more boring partisanship

Come on Steve, you can't fool all of us all of the time. We know you don't find poking the balloon boring. We also know you like to fill the balloon on occasion. (Just not sure with what)

793 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:28:46pm

re: #787 JasonA

The regulations are there, but they they weren't enforced. Has anything changed to ensure that they will be from now on?

Yep, this.

Nobody will make those same mistakes again. The over-confidence is dead.

794 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:29:01pm

re: #746 Cato the Elder

Because I wouldn't trust it to anything less secure than a triple-A-plus muni bond, and because having the amount of money I do have at my disposal is far more crucial than the piddling interest I can earn on those.

Like, for buying food. As with 99.99999% of humanity.

My portfolio is in my brain, and my stocks are on my rifles.

Well it's my understanding it is about risk. The more risk you take, the more interest you get to charge. No risk, no (or very little) reward.

If it weren't for people taking some risk, we probably wouldn't be chatting in this manner right now. I hope you can see that.

795 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:29:12pm

re: #788 Bagua

Weak plan? It is the industry standard way of controlling wells all over the world. There is no other way. Hydrostatic pressure is what it is, basic physics. You are complaining about something as basic as gravity and asking why anti-gravity ships haven't been designed. Best use a parachute in the mean time.

Thank you. Given that everybody from the Prius driver to the trucker drives around in veekuls every day, it's truly astonishing how ignorant people are about where it comes from.

Red Adair could stop wells that were on fire. The flashy part was putting out the fires. Then came the mundane part, which most drillers could do without him: capping the well by introducing a higher pressure somewhere along the line than the pressure that was pushing stuff out. Mud is a very good way to pressurize an out-of-control well. If we had a great big finger to use, that would work, too. Think: garden hose, thumb.

796 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:29:28pm

re: #792 b_sharp

Come on Steve, you can't fool all of us all of the time. We know you don't find poking the balloon boring. We also know you like to fill the balloon on occasion. (Just not sure with what)

I am the Balloon
coo coo ka choo

797 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:29:35pm

re: #793 Bagua

Yep, this.

Nobody will make those same mistakes again. The over-confidence is dead.

I hope you're right, but I'm a natural-born pessimist.

798 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:29:51pm

re: #791 Racer X

Chinese owners turn their pets into exotic wildlife in new craze

Weird. Not right.

Image: article-1284646-09EDF72E000005DC-418_634x474.jpg

I love animals. Do I want to click on that?

799 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:30:03pm

re: #765 Cato the Elder

You know, it's funny.

When it's a matter of exposing right-wing hypocrisy, the wingnuts go crazeeshit on Charles.

When the shoe is on the other foot, the moonbats have a shit-fit.

And each "side" will claim that they're being misrepresented.

It's highly enjoyable. And I feel very comfortable, stuck in the middle with (most of) you.

QFT. ;)

800 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:30:53pm

re: #740 albusteve

I try to be biTribalist

I'm not sure that's legal in the States, is it?

801 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:31:21pm

re: #781 b_sharp

I agree with you. I really do hope part of their punishment is to recompense all of the people whose livelihoods have been destroyed. I would like to see everyone given enough money to allow them to start over if need be.

I hope so too.
But I'm not holding my breath.
They've been veeeery slow to work the claims and make the payments thus far. People will be losing their homes soon if they don't speed it up.
I'm so angry with BP, I could scream out loud.

802 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:31:59pm

re: #798 Cato the Elder

I love animals. Do I want to click on that?

I didn't...so Kung Fu from Chop Suey grew some extracanine beast...no thanks

803 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:32:38pm

re: #800 b_sharp

I'm not sure that's legal in the States, is it?

only when your stoned

804 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:32:48pm

Guillaume Nery base jumping at Dean's Blue Hole, filmed on breath hold by Julie Gautier

Youtube Video

Really cool.

/I held my breath for about 40 seconds.

805 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:32:48pm

re: #787 JasonA

The regulations are there, but they they weren't enforced. Has anything changed to ensure that they will be from now on?

Enforcing regulations isn't what politicians do... they vote on more regulations so that it looks like they're actually doing something.

Look at the federal gun laws...

806 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:32:59pm

re: #774 jaunte

I've been wondering about this part:


Could the weight of a mile of seawater pressing down on the formation have a similar effect to tectonic forces?

oh, my!
on that question, you're asking the wrong person!
Seems to me the weight (and pressure at those depths) should have some effect, but no way I could know what.

807 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:33:01pm

re: #798 Cato the Elder

I love animals. Do I want to click on that?

It's safe...weird, but safe.

808 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:33:32pm

re: #786 albusteve

All great truths are old; but those truths need to be restated lest they be lost. I subscribe to that cynical sentiment.

809 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:33:32pm

re: #798 Cato the Elder

I love animals. Do I want to click on that?

Looks to be washable paint applied to fur. It is, however, China.

810 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:34:52pm

BABR

(back after beer run)

811 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:34:57pm

So BP managed to recover 11 thousand barrels of oil yesterday, from a pipe leaking only 1,000 5,000 barrels of oil per day.

Lying cocksuckers. I'll bet if they stopped choking the line at the surface they could pull 20,000 barrels a day and still have that black cloud coming out the bottom...and still claim they're getting "most of it." Assholes.

812 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:35:04pm

re: #809 Racer X

Looks to be washable paint applied to fur. It is, however, China.

Oh. Chinese paint. Good point.

813 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:35:34pm

re: #762 Bagua

Nonsense. The options are very real privileges to sell or buy those same stocks at set prices with set expiration. The only difference is the owners option not to buy or sell and the stocks float and have no expiration. The stocks themselves are paper and the average owner has no voice, only the majority owners. Basically they are derivatives of a derivative.

The average investor cares nothing about influencing ownership, they are speculating on pieces of paper. If I have an in the money leap option on Walmart, it behaves essentially the same as owning the stock, adjusted by the applicable greeks.

Are you saying that commodity trading is teh same as investing in stocks?

Seems to me there is a profound difference, that is, investing v speculating.

814 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:35:41pm

re: #809 Racer X

Looks to be washable paint applied to fur. It is, however, China.

I've always heard never to dye your pet's fur. It can be lethal. Other than I think it's pretty stupid.

815 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:35:46pm

re: #812 JasonA

Oh. Chinese paint. Good point.

Lead-based dyes are all the rage...try them on your children!

816 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:35:50pm

dogs had a pretty good walk/run. panting and looking for water. wusses.

817 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:35:57pm

re: #753 mich-again

I have to say, shooting mud into a leak to try to make it stop is a weak plan at best.

Depends on the size of the gun, the size of the hole and the pressure needed. It has apparently worked in the past. BP wasn't prepared because they deluded themselves into believing an accident was unlikely and that they were well enough prepared. They first and foremost lied to themselves. That is not a good sign.

818 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:36:17pm

catch y'all later

819 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:36:42pm

re: #818 TheMatrix31

catch y'all later

see ya, 31 matrices

820 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:37:57pm

re: #754 reine.de.tout

Yes, I've written a couple of letters to places I think can stir things up a bit, more than I can.

and Jindal and Mary Landrieu have sent the President information about the economics of this thing that I hope he takes a serious look at.

Any organizations you can join? Organizations have bigger mouths than individuals.

821 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:38:14pm

re: #811 darthstar

So BP managed to recover 11 thousand barrels of oil yesterday, from a pipe leaking only 1,000 5,000 barrels of oil per day.

Lying cocksuckers. I'll bet if they stopped choking the line at the surface they could pull 20,000 barrels a day and still have that black cloud coming out the bottom...and still claim they're getting "most of it." Assholes.

mom is on the roof...

822 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:38:24pm

re: #811 darthstar

So BP managed to recover 11 thousand barrels of oil yesterday, from a pipe leaking only 1,000 5,000 barrels of oil per day.

Lying cocksuckers. I'll bet if they stopped choking the line at the surface they could pull 20,000 barrels a day and still have that black cloud coming out the bottom...and still claim they're getting "most of it." Assholes.

I understand the issue is the Ship can't process the flow..So they are venting till they can get more ships in place...Not to worry..They have only had about 40 days to plan for capture...And 1 ship doing it...So they have to vent

823 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:39:56pm

re: #805 alexknyc

Enforcing regulations isn't what politicians do... they vote on more regulations so that it looks like they're actually doing something.

Look at the federal gun laws...

It's a favored politicians tactic to hand actual oversight off to regulators. They don't like doing the actual work themselves because its normally thankless, generates fodder for attack ads, and those being regulated tend to be the ones who supply the politicos with campaign cash.

824 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:41:52pm

re: #794 Boogberg

Well it's my understanding it is about risk. The more risk you take, the more interest you get to charge. No risk, no (or very little) reward.

If it weren't for people taking some risk, we probably wouldn't be chatting in this manner right now. I hope you can see that.

Oh, I do. I am not an anti-capitalist.

All I'm saying is I hope you can see that for the vast majority of people, Wall Street is as real as Hollywood.

Of course I understand that Wall Street could take down Main Street, but then again, Orson Welles drove people to madness with a radio show.

The reality:perception ratio is about the same, in my view.

825 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:42:10pm

re: #815 darthstar

Although Britain outlawed slavery and castigated the United States for continuing that "peculiar institution", they continued to rely on the fruits of that immoral industry to fuel their textile industry. Are we any different from those Brits when we enjoy the benefits of cheap labor in China?

826 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:42:24pm

re: #820 b_sharp

Any organizations you can join? Organizations have bigger mouths than individuals.

Now, there's an idea!
I might have to start one!

827 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:42:56pm

re: #813 researchok

Are you saying that commodity trading is teh same as investing in stocks?

Seems to me there is a profound difference, that is, investing v speculating.

Well you wouldn't buy a stock if you thought the price was going down, would you? Neither would you buy wheat (especially if you had to store it) if you thought the price was going down.

828 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:43:33pm

re: #807 darthstar

It's safe...weird, but safe.

Ooh - that is kinda cute!

829 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:43:41pm

re: #805 alexknyc

Enforcing regulations isn't what politicians do... they vote on more regulations so that it looks like they're actually doing something.

Look at the federal gun laws...

now if we take the word regulations and replace it with the word fees, then the picture becomes clear.

830 zoidberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:44:29pm

Has Reuters earned themselves a Fiskie yet? I think that with this incident alone they deserve a nomination...

831 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:44:39pm

well into the 800's.. does Charles have more mysterious non-internet chores?

832 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:44:43pm

re: #825 EdDantes

Although Britain outlawed slavery and castigated the United States for continuing that "peculiar institution", they continued to rely on the fruits of that immoral industry to fuel their textile industry. Are we any different from those Brits when we enjoy the benefits of cheap labor in China?

China, and many other countries.
Welcome. I hope you are enjoying LGF.

833 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:45:00pm

re: #754 reine.de.tout

and Jindal and Mary Landrieu have sent the President information about the economics of this thing that I hope he takes a serious look at.

Somehow, I get the impression that when Jindal says he sent a letter to the president, it was addressed like this:

The President
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC, USA (no zip code)


while most governors, senators, etc. send their letters by courier, his is sitting in a mail bag with 16,000 letters asking for signed pictures of Bo.

834 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:45:22pm

Quote: "Guillaume Nery base jumping at Dean's Blue Hole, filmed on breath hold by Julie Gautier."

I think I just officially entered the old fart stage of my life. No blessed idea what that sentence means.

835 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:45:34pm

re: #828 Cato the Elder

Ooh - that is kinda cute!

It's not "get you fired from Citibank" cute, but it is cute, I agree. :)

836 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:45:38pm

re: #831 cliffster

well into the 800's.. does Charles have more mysterious non-internet chores?

Well, many people get married in June. Just saying...

837 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:46:48pm

re: #836 prairiefire

Well, many people get married in June. Just saying...

that's no excuse. New thread!

838 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:47:05pm

re: #831 cliffster

well into the 800's.. does Charles have more mysterious non-internet chores?

I like it when Charles lets the site go off on a thread into the thousands...it means he has a life. Sure, he can post an open thread from his iPhone, but I've used the site from my phone, and it's a little sucky sometimes...

839 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:47:43pm

re: #830 zoidberg

Has Reuters earned themselves a Fiskie yet? I think that with this incident alone they deserve a nomination...

They are in Fisk territory, but the idea of the Fiskie has largely disappeared.

840 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:47:46pm

re: #833 darthstar

while most governors, senators, etc. send their letters by courier, his is sitting in a mail bag with 16,000 letters asking for signed pictures of Bo.

no excuse, they should have jumped on the barriers and protected the shore line...

841 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:48:11pm

re: #832 prairiefire

China, and many other countries.
Welcome. I hope you are enjoying LGF.

Thank you for the welcome and I do enjoy being here.

842 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:48:50pm

re: #826 reine.de.tout

Now, there's an idea!
I might have to start one!

Fleur-de-lis-da coastline.

843 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:48:59pm

re: #835 darthstar

It's not "get you fired from Citibank" cute, but it is cute, I agree. :)

Hey, I still can't believe that you would conclude from our occasional disagreements that boobs don't turn me on.

As for the dog-dye, I'm sitting here thinking what I could turn Haku into for Hallowe'en. (Yes, I still spell it that way.) A fox? A kitteh? A cockadrill? I'm pretty sure this Chinese fad will be a hit in Americay.

844 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:49:40pm

re: #836 prairiefire

Well, many people get married in June. Just saying...

I didn't even know Charles was pregnant.

845 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:49:55pm

re: #841 EdDantes

Thank you for the welcome and I do enjoy being here.

welcome.

846 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:50:25pm

re: #774 jaunte

I've been wondering about this part:


Could the weight of a mile of seawater pressing down on the formation have a similar effect to tectonic forces?

Of course, there is a known hydrostatic pressure gradient, which is why we know that the pressure will be 2,250 at BOP. (not exactly a mile) Pressure increases with depth proportional to the material density.

Rock is very, dense, water lighter, then oil, then gas. We can measure this as expected right trough the two additional miles of rock until we hit the reservoir.

We know the hydrostatic pressure gradient, and we know the oil pressure gradient. We know the gas floats on the oil, the oil floats on the water, and the water is trapped by the rock below.

Thus we know how much water, or how heavy mud is needed to overcome the anticipated reservoir pressure.

The problem occurs when there is overpressurisation. The sharp delta of the gas pressure gradient is another, big problem. In overpressured wells, the rock is locking the water in, not allowing it to rise. Thus the rocks above exert pressure on the water, oil and gas. This effect is the "kick" that are the great danger and unknown of drilling.


With this particular well, we can't rely on there being a known hydrostatic column of water/mud for the simple reason it was never under control. It was losing circulation, and thus it was a crazy idea to displace the leaking mud with sea-water and crazy that the regulators approved this. This is also why the mud kill didn't work, or one of the reasons. But worse, this is why the relief wells may also not work if the pressure is lost to the leaky formation.

847 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:50:40pm

re: #844 darthstar

I didn't even know Charles was pregnant.

huh? well he wasn't showing...

848 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:51:11pm

re: #844 darthstar

I didn't even know Charles was pregnant.

His intended was mentioned in the published NY Times interview/article. If it is intended, then it has to happen sometime.

849 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:51:15pm

re: #833 darthstar

while most governors, senators, etc. send their letters by courier, his is sitting in a mail bag with 16,000 letters asking for signed pictures of Bo.

HOLD THE WEDDIN

Question

Were you upset during Katrina that Bush (by law, iirc) didn't send help until LA officials requested it?

Now you DONT want Obama to do anything until Jindal crawls to Washington and hand delivers the request??

850 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:51:30pm

re: #845 brookly red

Thank you. I've been treated very well here.

851 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:51:39pm

re: #847 brookly red

huh? well he wasn't showing...

Sully? That you?

/

852 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:51:39pm

re: #843 Cato the Elder

Hey, I still can't believe that you would conclude from our occasional disagreements that boobs don't turn me on.

As for the dog-dye, I'm sitting here thinking what I could turn Haku into for Hallowe'en. (Yes, I still spell it that way.) A fox? A kitteh? A cockadrill? I'm pretty sure this Chinese fad will be a hit in Americay.

I'm just glad to know you're human. I pictured you looking like the marble bust of your previous icon. It's good to know you're just a 17 year old with a hormonal imbalance and an impressive (for your age) collection of translations.

853 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:51:40pm

Found a good one on Facebook tonight: Everybody Draw Helen Thomas

The official Everybody Draw Helen Thomas Contest.All proceeds will go to sending her to Birkenau.

854 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:52:51pm

re: #776 Bagua

Regulations were in place, the regulator screwed up and approved the faulty plans. All the warning signs were there, the regulators missed them. There is no evidence of a failure of regulations, and every evidence of a failure of the regulators.

BP made some bad judgement calls, and the regulators approved each and every one of them. I doubt any of these mistakes will be made again, the lesson has been learned. But sure, let's go on and on about regulation and de-regulation and pretend that is the issue with this incident.

How well did those regulations fit the need? Were those 'bad judgment calls' all within the regulations? If they were then the regulators had little choice and the regulations were obviously insufficient. If the 'bad judgment calls' were outside the regulations then both BP and the regulators are culpable, BP for breaking the law, and the regulators for either corruption or incompetence.

No matter how much you want to disregard the regulations as an integral part of this situation, they cannot be separated from considerations of culpability.

As far as this not happening again because the lessen is learned, why did it happen at all considering it is not the first time it has happened?

855 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:52:55pm

re: #850 EdDantes

Thank you. I've been treated very well here.

stick around ,, that'll change!!!

//

856 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:53:06pm

re: #850 EdDantes

Thank you. I've been treated very well here.

that may or may not last...

so tell me what's on your pizza? (shut up y'all)

857 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:53:08pm

re: #853 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm gonna need a squintier pen.

858 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:53:24pm

re: #853 Mad Al-Jaffee

Found a good one on Facebook tonight: Everybody Draw Helen Thomas

The official Everybody Draw Helen Thomas Contest.All proceeds will go to sending her to Birkenau.

At least with Mo you could be creative. With her you have to... stare at a picture of Helen Thomas.

Pass.

859 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:53:33pm

re: #853 Mad Al-Jaffee

Found a good one on Facebook tonight: Everybody Draw Helen Thomas

The official Everybody Draw Helen Thomas Contest.All proceeds will go to sending her to Birkenau.

only four likers. Was that you that started it?

860 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:53:50pm

Fleetwood Mac
Comin' Home

Youtube Video
861 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:54:15pm

re: #857 jaunte

I'm gonna need a squintier pen.

Jaunte, your illustrations in the cookbook are so good.

862 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:54:29pm

re: #849 sattv4u2

HOLD THE WEDDIN

Question

Were you upset during Katrina that Bush (by law, iirc) didn't send help until LA officials requested it?

Now you DONT want Obama to do anything until Jindal crawls to Washington and hand delivers the request??

President Obama didn't wait for an invite to Louisiana. He had people on the ground there within 20 hours of the Deepwater Horizon's sinking. Katrina is a red herring of a comparison. We knew for weeks it was going to be a big motherfucker. We watched it roll across the tip of Florida and gain steam in the process. We KNEW it was going to devastate the Gulf wherever it landed. An intelligent president who had been paying attention would have been OFFERING support well before the first storm surge lapped at the shores.

863 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:54:46pm

re: #856 brookly red

that may or may not last...

so tell me what's on your pizza? (shut up y'all)

mmm...pineapple.

864 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:55:16pm

re: #824 Cato the Elder

Oh, I do. I am not an anti-capitalist.

All I'm saying is I hope you can see that for the vast majority of people, Wall Street is as real as Hollywood.

That's the problem. People don't keep track of their hard-earned money. There is nothing wrong with letting other (more experienced) people invest your money. That doesn't mean you can't override their decisions with a little horse sense.

865 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:55:32pm

re: #861 prairiefire

Jaunte, your illustrations in the cookbook are so good.

1st Class art work

866 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:55:47pm

My wife is out of town, with the kids. Should I go pick up some prostitutes? Yes or no. Vote now...

867 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:55:49pm

re: #861 prairiefire

Thanks for buying a cookbook! The drawings were a lot of fun to do.

868 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:56:51pm

re: #866 cliffster

My wife is out of town, with the kids. Should I go pick up some prostitutes? Yes or no. Vote now...

No. You might throw out your back.

869 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:57:04pm

re: #855 sattv4u2

I hope not, but there is a degree of blood-letting here and I will probably not be spared. :0

870 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:57:05pm

re: #866 cliffster

My wife is out of town, with the kids. Should I go pick up some prostitutes? Yes or no. Vote now...

Do not go all Tom Cruise on us!

871 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:57:37pm

re: #850 EdDantes

Thank you. I've been treated very well here.

Everyone steps in it eventually, just don't freak out when you get piled on for something inadvertently stupid you said, you'll do fine. People around here don't often forget, but they do forgive, especially if you honestly apologize.

872 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:57:59pm

re: #866 cliffster

My wife is out of town, with the kids. Should I go pick up some prostitutes? Yes or no. Vote now...

No, no, no, no, no, no.

873 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:58:00pm

re: #784 brownbagj

My understanding is that there are regulations in place for more strict compliance, but that MMS gave BP a pass (in other words, they agreed with BP that a disaster was not likely and therefore did not push BP for more inspections).

Try this link...Your text to link...

Time to restructure, fire and hire. If laws were broken, as it appears, time for charges.

874 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:58:03pm

re: #856 brookly red

that may or may not last...

so tell me what's on your pizza? (shut up y'all)

I like shrimp.

875 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:58:12pm

re: #870 HoosierHoops

Do not go all Tom Cruise on us!

I love my wife!!!

[jumping up and down on the couch]

876 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:58:20pm

don't you just hate Peter Green?

Youtube Video
877 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:58:37pm

re: #866 cliffster

My wife is out of town, with the kids. Should I go pick up some prostitutes? Yes or no. Vote now...

No...you're not an elected official.

878 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:58:41pm

re: #874 EdDantes

I like shrimp.

Bzzzz. Wrong answer.

879 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:58:55pm

re: #866 cliffster

My wife is out of town, with the kids. Should I go pick up some prostitutes? Yes or no. Vote now...

Hell, no!

880 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:59:12pm

re: #874 EdDantes

I like shrimp.


We will get along just fine...

881 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:59:29pm

re: #790 alexknyc

Why can't it be all three?

It can be. I was using Boolean logic.;)

882 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:59:37pm

re: #874 EdDantes

I like shrimp.

Shrimp and garlic...mmm.

883 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:59:57pm

re: #874 EdDantes

I like shrimp.

on pizza?...
you can't put shrimp on pizza

884 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:00:00pm

re: #866 cliffster

My wife is out of town, with the kids. Should I go pick up some prostitutes? Yes or no. Vote now...

And why do you have to anywhere? Just a few easy clicks on rentboy.com...

885 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:00:13pm

re: #811 darthstar

So BP managed to recover 11 thousand barrels of oil yesterday, from a pipe leaking only 1,000 5,000 barrels of oil per day.

Lying cocksuckers. I'll bet if they stopped choking the line at the surface they could pull 20,000 barrels a day and still have that black cloud coming out the bottom...and still claim they're getting "most of it." Assholes.

Don't believe anything they say.

886 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:00:33pm

re: #796 albusteve

I am the Balloon
coo coo ka choo

Now that conjures up an image.

887 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:00:49pm

re: #866 cliffster

My wife is out of town, with the kids. Should I go pick up some prostitutes? Yes or no. Vote now...

my neighbor tried that... too bad she turned out to be his SIL. Shit happens.

888 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:01:00pm

5 Blatantly Corrupt Politicians America Reelected Anyways

889 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:01:34pm

re: #878 prairiefire

No, I like shrimp. This must be some kind of inside reference (?)

890 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:01:35pm

re: #877 darthstar

No...you're not an elected official.

you don't know that...

891 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:01:39pm

re: #833 darthstar

while most governors, senators, etc. send their letters by courier, his is sitting in a mail bag with 16,000 letters asking for signed pictures of Bo.

Oh, c'mon.
I'm not real impressed with Jindal, overall.
But he's been on top of this.
Besides, they've met, and they seemed quite warm toward each other. Maybe he hand-delivered the letter.

892 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:02:11pm

re: #884 JasonA

And why do you have to anywhere? Just a few easy clicks on rentboy.com...

Rimshot! (literally...)

893 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:02:48pm

re: #887 brookly red

my neighbor tried that... too bad she turned out to be his SIL. Shit happens.

from you - I believe that.

894 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:03:02pm

re: #892 darthstar

Rimshot! (literally...)

Ewww... That's what I get for going down this path.

895 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:03:07pm

re: #889 EdDantes

No, I like shrimp. This must be some kind of inside reference (?)

it's OK... pineapple is a fawtah that only death can settle.

896 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:03:40pm

re: #889 EdDantes

No, I like shrimp. This must be some kind of inside reference (?)

No, I thought Brookly was a pizza purist (pepperoni, etc.). But, he said you two would get along just fine regarding the shrimp.
We could start a Chicago vs. NY pizza discussion.

897 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:03:57pm

re: #883 albusteve

on pizza?...
you can't put shrimp on pizza

The first pizza I ever had was Shakey's (RIP) Louisiana shrimp. I have been making shrimp pizza since 1971 and will continue to do so.

898 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:04:08pm

re: #875 cliffster

I love my wife!!!

[jumping up and down on the couch]

You do realize in a few years when you blog you'll be able to slid into the room in a white shirt and underwear singing old time rock and roll and we won't be able to stop you...Hopefully by then Mozy will be selling 9.99/Month filters...
/

899 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:04:18pm

re: #826 reine.de.tout

Now, there's an idea!
I might have to start one!

Now you're talking.

900 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:04:32pm

re: #896 prairiefire

No, I thought Brookly was a pizza purist (pepperoni, etc.). But, he said you two would get along just fine regarding the shrimp.
We could start a Chicago vs. NY pizza discussion.

Not much of a discussion, really. Every knows NY pizza is the best, right?

/

901 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:04:42pm

re: #862 darthstar

An intelligent president who had been paying attention would have been OFFERING support well before the first storm surge lapped at the shores
bbzzzzzztttt

Hook, line and sinker

The Feds had offered plans and assitance prior to landfall. LA officials said no!

902 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:05:28pm

re: #833 darthstar

while most governors, senators, etc. send their letters by courier, his is sitting in a mail bag with 16,000 letters asking for signed pictures of Bo.

You are a master cynic.

903 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:05:44pm

re: #896 prairiefire

I will stay out of that discussion!

904 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:06:05pm

re: #900 JasonA

Not much of a discussion, really. Every knows NY pizza is the best, right?
/

#1,, right after that found in the North End of Boston

905 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:06:32pm

re: #897 EdDantes

I recall a Shakey's shrimp pizza from the Town & Country location back in 1971, too. Pretty good.

906 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:06:35pm

re: #898 HoosierHoops

You do realize in a few years when you blog you'll be able to slid into the room in a white shirt and underwear singing old time rock and roll and we won't be able to stop you...Hopefully by then Mozy will be selling 9.99/Month filters...
/

Ha! Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks that technology has reached the point of diminishing returns.

907 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:06:43pm

re: #902 b_sharp

You are a master cynic partisan.

ftfy

908 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:06:56pm

re: #896 prairiefire

No, I thought Brookly was a pizza purist (pepperoni, etc.). But, he said you two would get along just fine regarding the shrimp.
We could start a Chicago vs. NY pizza discussion.

Infidel, if it comes in a bowl it is not pizza ...

909 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:07:26pm

re: #904 sattv4u2

#1,, right after that found in the North End of Boston

Madness.

910 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:07:49pm

re: #891 reine.de.tout

Oh, c'mon.
I'm not real impressed with Jindal, overall.
But he's been on top of this.
Besides, they've met, and they seemed quite warm toward each other. Maybe he hand-delivered the letter.

He has been on the ball, I'll agree. I still think he'd be far more respectable if he stopped trying to help the GOP score points by throwing out empty criticism at President Obama when he's doing all he can to help Jindal and Louisana, Alabama, and Florida.

911 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:07:57pm

re: #887 brookly red

my neighbor tried that... too bad she turned out to be his SIL. Shit happens.

Speaking of SILs - who was the Lizard who had the encounter with a 30-year-old alcoholic BF of his 17-year-old SIL recently?

I've been kinda wantin' an update on that. It was rather dramatic.

912 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:08:49pm

re: #909 JasonA

Madness.

Pizzaria Regina (the original ,, not the one for tourists in Fanuel Hall MArket)

913 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:09:20pm

re: #891 reine.de.tout

Oh, c'mon.
I'm not real impressed with Jindal, overall.
But he's been on top of this.
Besides, they've met, and they seemed quite warm toward each other. Maybe he hand-delivered the letter.

Has Jindal investigated the well for demonic possession?

914 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:09:45pm

re: #911 Cato the Elder

Speaking of SILs - who was the Lizard who had the encounter with a 30-year-old alcoholic BF of his 17-year-old SIL recently?

I've been kinda wantin' an update on that. It was rather dramatic.

and exactly why do you ask me that?

915 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:10:08pm

re: #902 b_sharp

You are a master cynic.

Nah...I just had some teachers who encouraged more showing rather than telling...so I try to paint a pretty picture with my words.

916 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:10:33pm

re: #813 researchok

Are you saying that commodity trading is teh same as investing in stocks?

Seems to me there is a profound difference, that is, investing v speculating.

We weren't talking about commodities, we were talking about stock and bond options. Commodities are things like oil, gas, gold, orange juice, and so on. When you trade futures contracts on commodities you are trading a contract based upon the physical underlying. Commodities have derivatives as well, such as futures options. Most commodities are not physically settled, they are cash settled. Completely speculative.

What you are advocating, buying and holding stocks, is essentially what the Mutual Fund industry does. They took a massive hit with this facile, herd following behavior. The market neutral derivatives based hedge funds did not. Had the Mutual Funds bought protective options, they could have controlled their losses. They didn't.

917 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:10:46pm

re: #914 brookly red

and exactly why do you ask me that?

Rogue One, iirc.

918 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:10:57pm

re: #160 prairiefire

Helen Thomas quits

Whoa. That's some stuff right there! Your link didn't work for me, but I saw it on CNN. [Link: www.cnn.com...]

Now maybe we can get Buchanan to "retire."

Btw, she never apologized for what she said. "They [her views] do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon." That's not an apology nor does it address her ugly comments.

919 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:11:13pm

re: #912 sattv4u2

Pizzaria Regina (the original ,, not the one for tourists in Fanuel Hall MArket)

I still don't believe you. Oh, you have the lock on Clam Chowder, I'll give you that. But you can't throw out one name to prove you have the best pizza.

920 nekama  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:11:32pm

Bravo Charles!

You set the standard in exposing media fraud. If the leftists in wackademia had any integrity there would be an endowed chair with your name on it in every journalism school.

921 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:11:33pm

re: #913 Spare O'Lake

Has Jindal investigated the well for demonic possession?

Ha
I haven't seen that press release yet.

922 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:12:04pm

re: #824 Cato the Elder

Oh, I do. I am not an anti-capitalist.

All I'm saying is I hope you can see that for the vast majority of people, Wall Street is as real as Hollywood.

Of course I understand that Wall Street could take down Main Street, but then again, Orson Welles drove people to madness with a radio show.

The reality:perception ratio is about the same, in my view.

Most people see the modern Wall Street as something much worse than Hollywood, and with reason. The regulatory structure put in place by FDR didn't end capitalism. What we had instead was a 50 year run with plenty of liquidity in financial markets and essentially no recessions caused by financial crises. That was accomplished with old, boring financial instruments (stocks and bonds) and the Banking Act of 1933.

What exactly did financial deregulation do for this country? It made it possible to come up with "innovative" ways of transferring risk from individual actors to the system. And it created an incredibly wealthy professional class that not only doesn't seem to contribute that much to anybody's well-being (which would be fine), it actively causes harm to people who have nothing to do with Wall Street.

I'll take Hollywood any day. Or Tobacco, or Oil, or pretty much any other often vilified industry.

923 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:12:53pm

re: #912 sattv4u2

Pizzaria Regina (the original ,, not the one for tourists in Fanuel Hall MArket)

LOL, I got a 10 passenger limo down there once. It is not an easy thing to do. Getting out is worse. Gotta back up two blocks to get to a turn you can 1. make legally and 2. make at all.

924 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:12:56pm

re: #919 JasonA

I still don't believe you. Oh, you have the lock on Clam Chowder, I'll give you that. But you can't throw out one name to prove you have the best pizza.

There is only one "THE" when it comes to best, imho

New York may have the MOST ,, doesn';t mean one of them is THE best!!

:)

925 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:13:13pm

re: #794 Boogberg

Well it's my understanding it is about risk. The more risk you take, the more interest you get to charge. No risk, no (or very little) reward.

If it weren't for people taking some risk, we probably wouldn't be chatting in this manner right now. I hope you can see that.

This comment is somewhat extemporaneous to the context in which you were commenting, but...

A systemic (even cultural) problem we face in this country, in my opinion, is that individuals are increasingly permitted by law or by lax enforcement of law to take risks, the consequences of which, if they 'go bad', are suffered by the rest of society.

926 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:13:20pm

re: #918 marjoriemoon

Whoa. That's some stuff right there! Your link didn't work for me, but I saw it on CNN. [Link: www.cnn.com...]

Now maybe we can get Buchanan to "retire."

Btw, she never apologized for what she said. "They [her views] do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon." That's not an apology nor does it address her ugly comments.

I don't even see why she bothered. Those are her disgusting views and that's the end of it. There's no backpeddling that.

927 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:13:31pm

re: #910 darthstar

He has been on the ball, I'll agree. I still think he'd be far more respectable if he stopped trying to help the GOP score points by throwing out empty criticism at President Obama when he's doing all he can to help Jindal and Louisana, Alabama, and Florida.

Darth, I'm gonna point out here - the reason he's trying to do all he can to help Louisiana, Alabama and Florida (and Mississippi) is that - well - we sorta need the help.

Now, the Coast Guard, NOAA and the Corps of Engineers sort of messed up a few things. But every time the President has been informed of problems, we've gotten a response, as far as I know, and red tape has been cut.

928 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:14:20pm

re: #906 cliffster

Ha! Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks that technology has reached the point of diminishing returns.

Imagine Blogging in 5 years...I've been into Tech for years.. My home office is in Silly Cone Valley.. Without imagination..innovation and forward thinking you are left in the dust bin of history...

929 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:14:25pm

re: #905 jaunte

I recall a Shakey's shrimp pizza from the Town & Country location back in 1971, too. Pretty good.

I have a genuine Shakey's beer pitcher.
I've had it for, gosh, 30 years or more. Unbreakable.

930 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:15:04pm

re: #923 CapeCoddah

LOL, I got a 10 passenger limo down there once. It is not an easy thing to do. Getting out is worse. Gotta back up two blocks to get to a turn you can 1. make legally and 2. make at all.

I lived three blocks from there for almost a year

I ate Pizza 3-4 times a week

Addictive

931 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:15:10pm

re: #911 Cato the Elder

Speaking of SILs - who was the Lizard who had the encounter with a 30-year-old alcoholic BF of his 17-year-old SIL recently?

I've been kinda wantin' an update on that. It was rather dramatic.

RogueOne I think. He's got buddies in the system and I think the 30-yr-old jackass's probation officer is on notice for any and all bad behavior. Good to have friends in low places, in other words.

932 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:15:32pm

re: #919 JasonA

I still don't believe you. Oh, you have the lock on Clam Chowder, I'll give you that. But you can't throw out one name to prove you have the best pizza.

Throwing names around is pretty lame, and no pizzeria is better than Presidential Pizza anyway. On the corner of 125th St. and St. Nicholas Ave.

933 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:15:50pm

re: #925 Fozzie Bear

This comment is somewhat extemporaneous to the context in which you were commenting, but...

A systemic (even cultural) problem we face in this country, in my opinion, is that individuals are increasingly permitted by law or by lax enforcement of law to take risks, the consequences of which, if they 'go bad', are suffered by the rest of society.

Privatized profits and socialized risk.

That's not capitalism.

934 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:15:57pm

re: #926 JasonA

I don't even see why she bothered. Those are her disgusting views and that's the end of it. There's no backpeddling that.

There's usually more to a story when someone all of a sudden "retires". I find it very curious.

935 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:16:00pm

re: #918 marjoriemoon

I hope that hideous anti-Semitic gargoyle is gone and will take Buchanon with it.

936 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:16:45pm

re: #913 Spare O'Lake

Has Jindal investigated the well for demonic possession?

No, but his call to turn the executive board of BP over to the Inquisition has proven very popular.

/I hope this tag isn't needed.

937 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:17:11pm

re: #924 sattv4u2

There is only one "THE" when it comes to best, imho

New York may have the MOST ,, doesn';t mean one of them is THE best!!

:)

Yes it does.

Youtube Video
938 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:17:12pm

re: #813 researchok

Are you saying that commodity trading is teh same as investing in stocks?

Seems to me there is a profound difference, that is, investing v speculating.

No. Investing is stocks alone is like Russian roulette. Your investment can go to zero. Wake up tomorrow, your retirement fund is down 40%, that sort of thing.

With options you can take that same stock investment and put insurance on it, and determine your risk. You could insure at, say 5%, and even if the stock crashes to zero you can lose no more than 5%. It is called hedging, why the Mutual and Pension Funds didn't do this should be a matter of law suits and much media. Yet we hear nothing, just the same finger partisan finger pointing.

Stocks = no protection, with derivatives you can control your risk, from unlimited to essentially zero.

939 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:17:27pm

gggrrrr,,, the dogs are going nuts outside. I think my son forget to spread the deer corn. The deer must be by the back fence looking for dinner
BBL (maybe ,,, if I don't detour for pizza and a beer (or 3)

940 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:17:33pm

re: #932 Nimed

Throwing names around is pretty lame, and no pizzeria is better than Presidential Pizza anyway. On the corner of 125th St. and St. Nicholas Ave.

uptown does have it's charms... and I can also recommend the joint it is in the top 10...

941 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:18:27pm

Syria 'will stand with Turkey' on Gaza

Syria's president says his country will support "every decision and every action" by Turkey in its effort to have Israel lift its blockade of the Gaza Strip.

Speaking at a news conference in Istanbul Monday, Syrian leader Bashsar Assad asserted, "We are not just about condemnation, we are about actions," Haaretz reported.

Standing with Assad, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his government was ready to supply the Gaza Strip with "everything it needs" and demanded an end to Israel's blockade of the Hamas-controlled territory, Haaretz said.

942 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:18:38pm

I'm not real impressed with Jindal, overall

"Culture of Truth" at Eschaton calls Jindal the "Bayou Gilligan"

943 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:18:48pm

re: #918 marjoriemoon

Whoa. That's some stuff right there! Your link didn't work for me, but I saw it on CNN. [Link: www.cnn.com...]

Now maybe we can get Buchanan to "retire."

Btw, she never apologized for what she said. "They [her views] do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon." That's not an apology nor does it address her ugly comments.

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

944 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:18:57pm

re: #924 sattv4u2

There is only one "THE" when it comes to best, imho

New York may have the MOST ,, doesn';t mean one of them is THE best!!

:)

The question of "which place has the best x" doesn't come down to picking who has the single best place for x.

945 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:18:59pm

re: #924 sattv4u2

There is only one "THE" when it comes to best, imho

New York may have the MOST ,, doesn';t mean one of them is THE best!!

:)

last time I send you a corned beef link...

946 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:19:27pm

re: #930 sattv4u2

I lived three blocks from there for almost a year

I ate Pizza 3-4 times a week

Addictive

There is nothing like it. The original is gone now, I think.
My husband used to have me bring it home whenever I went to Logan.

947 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:20:14pm

re: #908 brookly red

Infidel, if it comes in a bowl it is not pizza ...

Correct! if you need a spoon, it's not a pizza.

948 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:20:26pm

A good rant is always fun

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

949 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:20:51pm

re: #926 JasonA

I don't even see why she bothered. Those are her disgusting views and that's the end of it. There's no backpeddling that.

Exactly. It's worse than Rather, who has had some public appearances since his fall. What Helen Thomas said is a complete and irrevocable end of career. She's now out for public life for good, and even her obituaries will be tainted by this. It's sad, but she has fallen from her own misdeeds.

951 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:22:46pm

re: #950 Fozzie Bear

Obama to Reopen Oil Drilling - Shallow Offshore Exploration Could Resume in Days as Economic Woes Mount

reality always slaps twice...

952 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:23:23pm

re: #949 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. It's worse than Rather, who has had some public appearances since his fall. What Helen Thomas said is a complete and irrevocable end of career. She's now out for public life for good, and even her obituaries will be tainted by this. It's sad, but she has fallen from her own misdeeds.

Nah, I doubt it would see an obit. Not in print. Online, with comments, yeah.

953 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:24:13pm

re: #950 Fozzie Bear

Obama to Reopen Oil Drilling - Shallow Offshore Exploration Could Resume in Days as Economic Woes Mount

This may be the right call to make economically, but its a clear flip-flop and he's going to be hammered for it.

954 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:24:17pm

re: #817 b_sharp

Depends on the size of the gun, the size of the hole and the pressure needed. It has apparently worked in the past. BP wasn't prepared because they deluded themselves into believing an accident was unlikely and that they were well enough prepared. They first and foremost lied to themselves. That is not a good sign.

Heh, size matters. But no, the size of the "gun" is not the issue. It is the height of the column of mud or water, the hydrostatic pressure. An 18,000 ft column of mud held back the reservoir pressure before the blow out. 5,000 feet working against the 18,000 bore hole with the well pressure, and we are out of luck.

There is just no way to get around the need to attack a wild well at the bottom of the well. The relief wells will have the 18,000 feet of hydrostatic pressure in their favour and inject at the base of the MC252.

955 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:25:03pm

re: #944 JasonA

The question of "which place has the best x" doesn't come down to picking who has the single best place for x.

Very good point. I have a friend who insists that the best seafood restaurant in the US is in Lexington, Kentucky.

956 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:25:15pm

Drudge blows the dog whistle: OBAMA GOES STREET: SEEKING 'ASS TO KICK'

957 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:25:53pm

re: #956 Killgore Trout

/facepalm

958 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:26:32pm

The best pizza ever was Carmella's on Myrtle Ave so real it was yellow, made from semolina... I was so good it burned down 5 months after opening.

don't ask anything it is what it is.

959 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:26:34pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

I have no idea if that is true or she was forced out. You don't know either.

No, she's not going to say she's wrong, because she doesn't believe she was wrong. I'm not so sure if you do or not.

Israel is our homeland. Not Germany, not Poland. She can shove it up her old wrinkled ass.

960 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:26:52pm

re: #955 Nimed

Very good point. I have a friend who insists that the best seafood restaurant in the US is in Lexington, Kentucky.

lol

NY has a couple of good barbecue places (Virgil's and Dinosaur BBQ come to mind) but I wouldn't dare say we have the best. Hell, I doubt most Texans would even consider it real barbecue.

961 MJ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:26:59pm

Apologies if this has already been posted:

The New York has re-published the photos from the IHH.
There is not a single word about Reuters in the column.
Not a single word.

Nice cover up by the New York Times.

Photographs of Battered Israeli Commandos Show New Side of Raid

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]

962 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:27:04pm

re: #958 brookly red

The best pizza ever was Carmella's on Myrtle Ave so real it was yellow, made from semolina... I was so good it burned down 5 months after opening.

don't ask anything it is what it is.

LOL

963 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:27:31pm

re: #956 Killgore Trout

Drudge blows the dog whistle: OBAMA GOES STREET: SEEKING 'ASS TO KICK'

too late, he is toast...

964 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:27:38pm

re: #953 Dark_Falcon

This may be the right call to make economically, but its a clear flip-flop and he's going to be hammered for it.

Or a zig zag. The far lefties are not going to like it. It does follow his announced plan of increased off shore drilling.

965 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:28:57pm

re: #958 brookly red

The best pizza ever was Carmella's on Myrtle Ave so real it was yellow, made from semolina... I was so good it burned down 5 months after opening.

don't ask anything it is what it is.

I meant IT was so good... IT not I.

966 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:29:21pm

re: #961 MJ

Apologies if this has already been posted:

The New York has re-published the photos from the IHH.
There is not a single word about Reuters in the column.
Not a single word.

Nice cover up by the New York Times.

Photographs of Battered Israeli Commandos Show New Side of Raid

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Don't expect them to. They won't. None of them will, I think. "Professional courtesy."

967 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:29:35pm

OMG I have turned my parents into pirates, they used to pay for everything, there are dozens and dozens of CD's and DVD's that have never even been taken out of the shrink wrap around here. Now I have spoiled them, everything they have asked about I have found online and gotten from torrent.

There was a PBS special this last weekend with Mario Frangoulis (a tenor opera singer) doing the lead and they wanted a copy of the songs. It has not shown up yet as a torrent and might not even given time, torrents and opera don't seem to go hand in hand.

I did however find a copy of Mario's latest album on Amazon that has the songs Mom really wants and is available for download as MP3's for $9.99. I thought for sure they would say ok, but no, they want to wait a while and see if the PBS version of the CD turns up on torrent later.

Damn I have corrupted my own parents with my laissez faire attitude towards paying for stuff, the horror!

968 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:31:30pm

re: #956 Killgore Trout

Drudge blows the dog whistle: OBAMA GOES STREET: SEEKING 'ASS TO KICK'

lolracism >>

o_0

969 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:31:33pm

re: #961 MJ

Apologies if this has already been posted:

The New York has re-published the photos from the IHH.
There is not a single word about Reuters in the column.
Not a single word.

Nice cover up by the New York Times.

Photographs of Battered Israeli Commandos Show New Side of Raid

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]

"Blogging the News with Robert Mackey"

Mackey should be reading LGF to see how that's done.

970 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:31:33pm

where I eat pizza, the last one was the best one...
no shrimp...oh the horror

971 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:31:39pm

re: #967 ausador

Umm... that makes you the pirate. :P

972 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:32:45pm

re: #963 brookly red

too late, he is toast...

oh noez!
Obama kicking ass?
Helen Thomas is already gone tho

973 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:33:23pm

re: #922 Nimed

Has the Government (taxpayers) sold off their stake in Citigroup for a loss? I don't think so.

974 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:34:23pm

re: #961 MJ

Apologies if this has already been posted:

The New York has re-published the photos from the IHH.
There is not a single word about Reuters in the column.
Not a single word.

Nice cover up by the New York Times.

Photographs of Battered Israeli Commandos Show New Side of Raid

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]

this is hilarious....

it seems unlikely that the Israel Defense Forces will release all of the video of the operation recorded by the military or seized from journalists and activists on the ships.


lol. Just wait.

975 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:34:40pm

re: #959 marjoriemoon

I have no idea if that is true or she was forced out. You don't know either.

No, she's not going to say she's wrong, because she doesn't believe she was wrong. I'm not so sure if you do or not.

Israel is our homeland. Not Germany, not Poland. She can shove it up her old wrinkled ass.

Marjorie, the only thing I can see is that she is a reactionary left minded person.
I think there has been a leftist mind set that the Israelis are oppressors.
I don't think that is true, but I don't think the Lame Stream Media has filled out the picture regarding Israel.
I have learned a lot about Israel from reading on LGF.

976 darthstar  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:34:40pm

re: #959 marjoriemoon

I have no idea if that is true or she was forced out. You don't know either.

No, she's not going to say she's wrong, because she doesn't believe she was wrong. I'm not so sure if you do or not.

Israel is our homeland. Not Germany, not Poland. She can shove it up her old wrinkled ass.

I'm not Israeli, I'm American. America is my homeland. So I suppose my level of outrage will be different from yours. So I can try to understand your level of outrage, but I don't know that I could ever match your passion on this issue.

977 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:35:08pm

re: #971 JasonA

Umm... that makes you the pirate. :P

Shsss....your being far too logical about this!

978 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:35:17pm

re: #922 Nimed

Most people see the modern Wall Street as something much worse than Hollywood, and with reason. The regulatory structure put in place by FDR didn't end capitalism. What we had instead was a 50 year run with plenty of liquidity in financial markets and essentially no recessions caused by financial crises. That was accomplished with old, boring financial instruments (stocks and bonds) and the Banking Act of 1933.

What exactly did financial deregulation do for this country? It made it possible to come up with "innovative" ways of transferring risk from individual actors to the system. And it created an incredibly wealthy professional class that not only doesn't seem to contribute that much to anybody's well-being (which would be fine), it actively causes harm to people who have nothing to do with Wall Street.

I'll take Hollywood any day. Or Tobacco, or Oil, or pretty much any other often vilified industry.

Yes, and from the "system" (i.e. the markets as a whole) to society.

Privatize profit, socialize loss.

Marx could not have foreseen this in his worst nightmares.

979 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:35:20pm

re: #943 darthstar

...

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

So if someone said the blacks or muslims or mexicans should get the hell out of America, or gays should get the hell out of Texas, you'd say they "weren't wishing evil on anyone" that it was "blown up" into an outrage and just an "unfortunate incident"?

Lol. What a hypocritical partisan you are.

980 researchok  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:36:33pm

Amid showdown with Israel, Turkey locks horns with Kurds again

While Ankara trades angry words with Israel, separatist PKK militia resumes armed struggle after year-long truce...


...In a ruthless counterinsurgency strategy meant to end terrorist attacks by the Kurdish-separatist PKK guerrillas and to ethnically “Turkify” the region, the army drove at least a million Kurds out of their homes. Ruined Kurdish villagers choked the region’s cities and fled to other cities and countries.

This week, only months after some of the villagers were reunited with the ruins of their homes in a large-scale peace and reconciliation effort, the killings, reprisals and terror campaigns began again. On Monday, three Kurdish rebels were killed in heavy fighting north of the Iraqi border, less than a week after six Turkish soldiers died in a bold PKK rocket attack on a naval base in the Mediterranean city of Iskenderun.

981 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:36:55pm

re: #967 ausador

Torrent? Que?

982 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:37:08pm

re: #973 Boogberg

Has the Government (taxpayers) sold off their stake in Citigroup for a loss? I don't think so.

So what? The damage done to people's lives by this recession is certainly not limited by the money taxpayers forked over in the bailouts.

983 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:37:20pm

re: #956 Killgore Trout

Drudge blows the dog whistle: OBAMA GOES STREET: SEEKING 'ASS TO KICK'

OK so far he has gone after:
-Bush
-Banks
-Wall Street
-Pharma
-Oil
-the Military
-the Auto Industry
-New Media
-Old Media
-Guns & religious people

sooner or later even you die hards are going to realize that he is the problem.

984 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:37:33pm

Feds, Inc.
banking
oil and gas
automotive
farm production
utilities
fisheries
public lands
'We Serve"

985 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:38:13pm

re: #982 Nimed

So what? The damage done to people's lives by this recession is certainly not limited by the money taxpayers forked over in the bailouts.

Remember the tax cuts? The tax cuts that were guaranteed to create jobs?

986 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:38:19pm

re: #972 albusteve

oh noez!
Obama kicking ass?
Helen Thomas is already gone tho

just another inconvenience under the bus...

987 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:38:24pm

re: #963 brookly red

too late, he is toast...

Don't be so sure. He can be beaten but the GOP will need to move away from the crazies in order to do that. If given the choice between an incompetent and a scream loon, most people will vote for the incompetent as the lesser threat.

988 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:38:26pm

re: #983 brookly red

racist

989 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:38:45pm

re: #961 MJ

Apologies if this has already been posted:

The New York has re-published the photos from the IHH.
There is not a single word about Reuters in the column.
Not a single word.

Nice cover up by the New York Times.

Photographs of Battered Israeli Commandos Show New Side of Raid

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]

The first clip is a satirical music video called “We Con the World,” made by a Jerusalem Post columnist who once advised Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. The video, set to the tune of “We Are the World,” mocked the flotilla’s humanitarian mission by suggesting that the activists killed in the raid were violent provocateurs.

Because that's not exactly what they were.
/

990 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:38:59pm

re: #985 prairiefire

Remember the tax cuts? The tax cuts that were guaranteed to create jobs?

yes, why yes I do & I vote.

991 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:39:02pm

re: #975 prairiefire

Marjorie, the only thing I can see is that she is a reactionary left minded person.
I think there has been a leftist mind set that the Israelis are oppressors.
I don't think that is true, but I don't think the Lame Stream Media has filled out the picture regarding Israel.
I have learned a lot about Israel from reading on LGF.

Well that's good!

Helen is an anti-Semite. That much is clear. Maybe she should have told the Arabs to go back to Egypt, Syria and Jordan because that IS where they were originally from.

From the CNN article:

Her apology also was not enough for [White House Counsel Lanny] Davis, who served as special counsel to former President Bill Clinton.

"Helen Thomas, who I used to consider a close friend and who I used to respect, has showed herself to be an anti-Semitic bigot," Davis said. "This is not about her disagreement about her criticisms of Israel. She has a right to criticize Israel and that is not the same as being an anti-Semite."

992 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:39:04pm

re: #983 brookly red

sooner or later even you die hards are going to realize that he is the problem.

Maybe we can impeach him for spilling the oil!

993 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:40:03pm

re: #992 Killgore Trout

Maybe we can impeach him for spilling the oil!

worth considering....
BARTENDER!

994 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:41:19pm

re: #967 ausador

OMG I have turned my parents into pirates, they used to pay for everything, there are dozens and dozens of CD's and DVD's that have never even been taken out of the shrink wrap around here. Now I have spoiled them, everything they have asked about I have found online and gotten from torrent.

There was a PBS special this last weekend with Mario Frangoulis (a tenor opera singer) doing the lead and they wanted a copy of the songs. It has not shown up yet as a torrent and might not even given time, torrents and opera don't seem to go hand in hand.

I did however find a copy of Mario's latest album on Amazon that has the songs Mom really wants and is available for download as MP3's for $9.99. I thought for sure they would say ok, but no, they want to wait a while and see if the PBS version of the CD turns up on torrent later.

Damn I have corrupted my own parents with my laissez faire attitude towards paying for stuff, the horror!

That actually sucks.

Artists live off royalties.

You might want to tell them the story about the recent movie (forget the name, something stupid I would never watch) whose owners won a judgment against torrent abusers. Asked how much each losing defendant would end up paying out in judgments, the lawyers said they couldn't specify, but it would be under $15,000 per person. If your parents can risk that, mazel tov.

Shame on people who can afford art but won't pay for it. If I write a bestseller and your parents steal it, I'm comin' after 'em.

995 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:41:24pm

re: #991 marjoriemoon

Helen Thomas's parents came from Lebanon. Should she go back to where she came from?

996 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:42:43pm

re: #941 researchok

Syria 'will stand with Turkey' on Gaza

Turkey seems to be making a series of moves in the region which, if I didn't know better, are looking a lot like the Turks are moving to co-opt Iran. Severing ties with Israel, offers to supply Gaza, military alliance with Syria, offers to mediate between Hamas and the PA, offers to "handle" Iran's nuke fuel - it's all starting to come together. Nothing yet on Lebanon, but maybe that will be coming soon, or maybe Turkey is content to leave Hezbollah to Iran for the time being. Call me crazy, but I am very close to predicting a regional struggle between Iran and Turkey in the not too distant future.

997 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:43:13pm

re: #994 Cato the Elder

That actually sucks.

Artists live off royalties.

You might want to tell them the story about the recent movie (forget the name, something stupid I would never watch) whose owners won a judgment against torrent abusers. Asked how much each losing defendant would end up paying out in judgments, the lawyers said they couldn't specify, but it would be under $15,000 per person. If your parents can risk that, mazel tov.

Shame on people who can afford art but won't pay for it. If I write a bestseller and your parents steal it, I'm comin' after 'em.

I don't even want to get into this...my kids already hate me because of my stand on royalties...and to brag about it!

998 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:43:31pm

re: #995 Bagua

Helen Thomas's parents came from Lebanon. Should she go back to where she came from?

Nope. She got hers.

Now for Rush.

999 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:44:01pm

re: #992 Killgore Trout

Maybe we can impeach him for spilling the oil!

no that is just stupid...

maybe we can vote him out for destroying the economy, that one is gonna be hard to dodge or explain away or blame on Bush. Go ahead make your whine It won't matter.

1000 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:44:24pm

I started watching "The Blind Side" but I had to turn it off. Yes, Sandra Bullock is superb but the movie is so fucking patronizing.

1001 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:45:09pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

Sorry, dude. She is advocating the mass dislocation of 7.5 million people. From their home country. She certainly is wishing evil upon someone. Her views are monstrous.

If your defense of Thomas is that she's senile... well, she shouldn't be a White House reporter anyway.

1002 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:45:22pm

re: #981 prairiefire

Torrent? Que?

[Link: btjunkie.org...]
(a torrent search site)

Note: Before attempting to use torrents to download stuff you need a good torrent "client" program, a very good anti-virus program, a good firewall program to block the constant hacker attacks, and a cavalier attitude to the lawsuits that may come your way for "shareing" copyrighted materials with other pirate users.

This is not at all recommended by me to anyone, although there are usually literally millions of people online doing it at any one time...

1003 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:45:33pm

Well, the story made the Weekly Standard.
Reuters Caught Cropping Flotilla Photos

1004 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:45:52pm

re: #982 Nimed

So what? The damage done to people's lives by this recession is certainly not limited by the money taxpayers forked over in the bailouts.

I think it was done to ward off another depression. Do we really need to go through one of those? Personally, I'd rather not.

1005 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:46:23pm

re: #999 brookly red

no that is just stupid...


ok

1006 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:46:27pm

re: #1000 Alouette

I started watching "The Blind Side" but I had to turn it off. Yes, Sandra Bullock is superb but the movie is so fucking patronizing.

eh? That was a great movie.

1007 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:46:34pm

re: #1002 ausador

Thanks very much for the info. I think I'll stick with the network sites or ITunes.

1008 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:46:35pm

Hola Honco Lizards.
*waves*

1009 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:46:53pm

re: #1002 ausador

[Link: btjunkie.org...]
(a torrent search site)

Note: Before attempting to use torrents to download stuff you need a good torrent "client" program, a very good anti-virus program, a good firewall program to block the constant hacker attacks, and a cavalier attitude to the lawsuits that may come your way for "shareing" copyrighted materials with other pirate users.

This is not at all recommended by me to anyone, although there are usually literally millions of people online doing it at any one time...

Then you really shouldn't link it. :P

1010 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:46:57pm

re: #996 Spare O'Lake

Turkey seems to be making a series of moves in the region which, if I didn't know better, are looking a lot like the Turks are moving to co-opt Iran. Severing ties with Israel, offers to supply Gaza, military alliance with Syria, offers to mediate between Hamas and the PA, offers to "handle" Iran's nuke fuel - it's all starting to come together. Nothing yet on Lebanon, but maybe that will be coming soon, or maybe Turkey is content to leave Hezbollah to Iran for the time being. Call me crazy, but I am very close to predicting a regional struggle between Iran and Turkey in the not too distant future.

Here's a good article on what's going on:

Pride And Reality Don't Get Along

Within a week, it became clear that the May 30th battle between Islamic terrorists and Israeli commandoes on a Turkish ship trying to reach Gaza, was a set-up. The Islamic charity, IHH, that organized the six ship flotilla, has frequently been identified, over the last two decades, as a supporter of terrorist operations. Messages broadcast, by IHH terrorists on the ships, before May 30th, indicated that the objective was to trigger a lethal battle with the Israelis, and claim an unprovoked Israeli attack on peaceful demonstrators. The IHH operatives were quick to share their anti-Semitic, genocidal and suicidal goals.

1011 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:47:03pm

re: #999 brookly red

no that is just stupid...

maybe we can vote him out for destroying the economy, that one is gonna be hard to dodge or explain away or blame on Bush. Go ahead make your whine It won't matter.

destroy the economy?...put business tighter under federal thumb?... control education and public service via the unions?....CRACKPOT!

1012 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:47:30pm

re: #1008 Floral Giraffe

Hola Honco Lizards.
*waves*

Hola, FG.

1013 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:47:41pm

re: #1005 Killgore Trout

don't try to bait me hommie.

1014 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:47:46pm

re: #1005 Killgore Trout

KT? Nice job on these photos.

Amazing how you are able to catch so much of this bullshit.

Total man crush over here.

1015 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:49:48pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

Helen Thomas could have retired years ago with grace and dignity and we could all admire her for all the genuine accomplishments that she achieved as a journalist for over 60 years.

But no, she had to open her big fucking mouth and go down in flames like Dan Rather. Yes, she did wish a Second Holocaust upon an entire nation and now she is in the garbage.

I hope Pat Buchanan joins her there soon!

1016 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:49:54pm

re: #983 brookly red

OK so far he has gone after:
-Bush
-Banks
-Wall Street
-Pharma
-Oil
-the Military
-the Auto Industry
-New Media
-Old Media
-Guns & religious people

sooner or later even you die hards are going to realize that he is the problem.

Oh and by the way these groups are not going to be forgiving so stop dreaming, he is a one termer if that.

1017 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:50:21pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

Sorry, but that's not it. She said something hateful, and then got shoved out the door to prevent Hearst from being tainted with the stench of bigotry.

1018 MisterCookie  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:50:25pm

re: #396 Fozzie Bear

'Serving' each other doesn't produce net growth, it's just an economic coping mechanism to slow the fall.

It's going to take decades to undo that damage, and I don't think anyone, Obama included, can fix it faster. I wish it weren't so, but I think it to be the situation we are in.

Maybe I'm just defensive because I work a service job, but I suggest you have fun fixing your own computer, or providing your own healthcare. Furthermore, services can and are exported by the US and have contributed considerably aided in offsetting the trade imbalance. I don't disagree with your original point(we need our manufacturing sector to start growth again) but saying services are of no value is just silly.

1019 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:50:35pm

re: #998 Cato the Elder

Nope. She got hers.

Now for Rush.

Patience Cato, Rush is a work in progress.

1020 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:50:37pm

re: #1014 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

KT? Nice job on these photos.

Amazing how you are able to catch so much of this bullshit.

Total man crush over here.

partial crushes are unacceptable...do not do a half asses crush

1021 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:50:41pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

To every 'tard, spin, spin, spin, there is a reason, spin, spin, spin, and a time for every bullshit, under heaven.

1022 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:50:43pm

re: #1010 Dark_Falcon

That's interesting. Operation backfire:

A recent opinion poll showed that 95 percent of Israelis agreed with how the government handled intercepting the Turkish blockade runners. The incident united Israelis as usually only happens in wartime.
1023 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:50:49pm

re: #1003 JasonA

Well, the story made the Weekly Standard.
Reuters Caught Cropping Flotilla Photos

Oh it's on now, baby! YEAAAAH

1024 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:51:38pm

re: #1008 Floral Giraffe

Hola Honco Lizards.
*waves*

Hello, FG. How's the air up there?

1025 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:52:25pm

WTF Apple?!?
Cuomo looks into iPad sales over discrimination claim

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo is investigating claims that the computer giant Apple has refused to sell its new iPad to people of Asian descent, apparently over smuggling fears.

The Attorney General's's civil rights bureau was tipped off by an Assemblywoman from a Chinese-American section of Queens, who complained publicly last month that her constituents were being asked unusual questions when they sought to buy the devices. The iPad was not yet for sale in Asia at the time of the complaints in May.

They were concerned about bulk sales they were afraid could go overseas, but to target people because they look Asian is pretty shitty.

1026 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:53:10pm

re: #994 Cato the Elder

That actually sucks.

Artists live off royalties.


Shame on people who can afford art but won't pay for it. If I write a bestseller and your parents steal it, I'm comin' after 'em.

I am the jerk at work that trash talks "bootleg boy" when he come in with bootleg movies. The parents just looove him, ten kids movies (cheap babysitters) for $50 hey that's hours of "affordable" peace and quiet. And yeah in my neighborhood they are taking food off real peoples plates.

Rant off /

1027 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:53:32pm

re: #1004 Boogberg

I think it was done to ward off another depression. Do we really need to go through one of those? Personally, I'd rather not.

I recognize the necessity of the bailouts. What I'm saying is that the damage caused by the financial industry to the US and the world isn't limited to the bailouts. In fact, the bailouts are relatively minuscule compared to the suffering caused by long-term unemployment, or to the loss of potential output.

1028 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:53:50pm

re: #1001 Nimed

Sorry, dude. She is advocating the mass dislocation of 7.5 million people. From their home country. She certainly is wishing evil upon someone. Her views are monstrous.

If your defense of Thomas is that she's senile... well, she shouldn't be a White House reporter anyway.

Particularly that a great majority of Jews saw her statements as saying we should go back to Dachau and Auschwitz.

1029 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:53:53pm

re: #953 Dark_Falcon

This may be the right call to make economically, but its a clear flip-flop and he's going to be hammered for it.

Not by me.

Please please please let it be true.

1030 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:53:55pm

re: #1019 Bagua

Patience Cato, Rush is a work in progress.

just a coincidence that so many millions more people are now home during the day to listen to him...

1031 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:54:52pm

re: #955 Nimed

Very good point. I have a friend who insists that the best seafood restaurant in the US is in Lexington, Kentucky.

No. Way.

1032 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:54:57pm

re: #1029 reine.de.tout

Not by me.

Please please please let it be true.

It's the smart thing to do, and I hope it happens.

1033 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:55:33pm

re: #1021 Cato the Elder

To every 'tard, spin, spin, spin, there is a reason, spin, spin, spin, and a time for every bullshit, under heaven.

Ooohh, burn!

1034 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:55:38pm

re: #1027 Nimed

I recognize the necessity of the bailouts. What I'm saying is that the damage caused by the financial industry to the US and the world isn't limited to the bailouts. In fact, the bailouts are relatively minuscule compared to the suffering caused by long-term unemployment, or to the loss of potential output.

correct, and BO is doing nothing to address that dismal reality....he's waiting for it to take care of itself, but he blew it already

1035 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:55:47pm

re: #1015 Alouette

I hope Pat Buchanan joins her there soon!

Not gonna happen. Everyone's used to it from him. He did it the "smart" way and made it pretty clear who he was a long time ago.

1036 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:55:53pm

re: #1029 reine.de.tout

Reine, the Oil Industry is one of the balls in the air that Obama can not allow to fall. Our economy is too fragile for work to be shorted in your state.

1037 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:55:54pm

re: #1024 Dark_Falcon

Hello, FG. How's the air up there?

Good, it was a hard day, but productive.
How are you feeling? Better, I hope!

1038 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:57:51pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

Telling a Rabbi that the Jews should get the hell out of Palestine and go back to Germany and Poland is, in fact, wishing evil on them. They didn't leave those countries so much as they survived them.

1039 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:58:07pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

Would you feel that kindly toward her if, say, instead of "Jews" she had told "African Americans" to go back to wherever place struck her fancy?

1040 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:58:20pm

re: #1035 JasonA

Not gonna happen. Everyone's used to it from him. He did it the "smart" way and made it pretty clear who he was a long time ago.

I agree it won't happen, but it's sick that it doesn't happen. Who's covering his ass?

1041 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:58:25pm

Seriously, Darth, I can't believe that you of all people, after unapologetically wishing slow, painful death on someone yesterday, would have the gall to spin out a defense of Helen Thomas.

May she and Rush both meet soon on the retirement golf course, and may she blast him into a Vicodin relapse. That is the worst I could wish on him, and the best I can hope for Helen.

1042 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:58:40pm

re: #1029 reine.de.tout

Not by me.

Please please please let it be true.

I hope its true, too. I'm just pointing out the political ramifications.

1043 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:59:00pm

A Victory For Native Americans?

1044 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:59:18pm

re: #1034 albusteve

correct, and BO is doing nothing to address that dismal reality...he's waiting for it to take care of itself, but he blew it already

In fact he is being blamed for the dismal reality... and I can't wait for November!

1045 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:59:31pm

re: #1043 prairiefire

A Victory For Native Americans?

Link's not working for me.

1046 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:59:47pm

re: #1043 prairiefire

A Victory For Native Americans?

not found

1047 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:00:39pm

A victory for Native Americans?

1048 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:00:56pm

And I can't believe people who saw how ridiculous it was to blame Bush for the weather are now blaming Obama for an oil spill!

1049 MisterCookie  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:01:12pm

re: #1045 JasonA

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

The colon was missing from [Link: ....] What a challenge it was to read the URL :P

1050 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:01:44pm

re: #1048 Cato the Elder

And I can't believe people who saw how ridiculous it was to blame Bush for the weather are now blaming Obama for an oil spill!

yep, stupid, and stupid.

1051 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:02:25pm

The "http" was duplicated. My fault.

1052 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:02:29pm

re: #1044 brookly red

In fact he is being blamed for the dismal reality... and I can't wait for November!

there are fair reasons to blame BO...not catastrophic for him, like the damage to the Gulf...but he's bombed

1053 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:02:37pm

re: #1010 Dark_Falcon
Very interesting, the article seems to be on all fours with my speculation. The trick for Israel will be to bide its time and exploit this historic rivalry between Iran and Turkey in order to stay strong, consolidate its position as an indispensable ally of the US, and thereby...to survive and prosper.

1054 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:03:03pm

re: #994 Cato the Elder

Torrents are the greatest thing ever for abandonware, but yeah, buy music, that's the way to do it. I've I've been waiting for a record for a year, it just seems disrespectful on some base level to then not plunk down the ten bucks.

1055 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:03:04pm

Heard someone on the radio today defending Helen Thomas on the John Gibson Show (I heart JG)...

Said, "People need to educate they-selves about Israel."

Whenever someone invites you to educate "theyself" ... ignore them.

1056 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:03:11pm

re: #1037 Floral Giraffe

Good, it was a hard day, but productive.
How are you feeling? Better, I hope!

Much better. No major coughing fits, and the acid reflux is great reduced. It's the best I've felt in a month.

1057 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:03:35pm

re: #1048 Cato the Elder

No more Obama's Katrina than Katrina was Bush's.

1058 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:03:41pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

You know... the interesting thing is... if this comment above was left by some newbie troll... my reaction and first comment to that person would be... and those long time Lizards know me well enough...

You fucking jerk.

1059 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:04:07pm

re: #1036 prairiefire

Reine, the Oil Industry is one of the balls in the air that Obama can not allow to fall. Our economy is too fragile for work to be shorted in your state.

I hope so - plus Alabama, Mississippi, Texas. It's a whole region at risk.

1060 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:04:23pm

Survey type question: Facebook is raving about it now has over 500 million users.

Question: Have you signed up only to read other facebook pages or have you actually used/filled out your page?

Just checking their apparent universal popularity...

1061 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:04:52pm

re: #1048 Cato the Elder

And I can't believe people who saw how ridiculous it was to blame Bush for the weather are now blaming Obama for an oil spill!

no one is blaming him for the spill (even if his people are in bed with BP) he is being blamed for the slow reaction...

but he has been throwing so killa parties in the WH, no?

1062 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #1060 ausador

I use the hell out of FB... I love it. Enjoy it.

1063 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:06:02pm

re: #943 darthstar

Helen Thomas is 89 years old. She knows she isn't going to live much longer (maybe another decade if she's lucky). She's willing to accept that a certain number of people will hate her for her views on Israel, but she's not about to say that she was wrong for saying that she feels they should leave Palestine (which, as we all know, isn't an actual place).

She isn't wishing evil upon anyone...but I won't waste time defending her as her remarks were definitely out of line. She knows her comment has blown up into an international outrage. That's why she retired...to help make this unfortunate incident pass more quickly. (and probably some other reasons for which we can only speculate)

this comes across as a tacit apology for her statements, if not a tacit approval.

1064 MJ  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:06:10pm

C-Span has, in the recent past, been criticized ( rightfully ) for being a shield for bigots.
[Link: www.camera.org...]

Here's another disgusting example:

Helen Thomas was Right.

Youtube Video
1065 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:06:31pm

re: #1055 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heard someone on the radio today defending Helen Thomas on the John Gibson Show (I heart JG)...

Said, "People need to educate they-selves about Israel."

Whenever someone invites you to educate "theyself" ... ignore them.

Wha?
Really?
We always want folks to edumacate theyselves

1066 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:06:46pm

re: #976 darthstar

I'm not Israeli, I'm American. America is my homeland. So I suppose my level of outrage will be different from yours. So I can try to understand your level of outrage, but I don't know that I could ever match your passion on this issue.

Your passion should be towards people who make racist statements. Me being Jewish is secondary. If she told the Blacks to go back to Africa, I'd be equally outraged and people have said that and I have been outraged.

Her statement seems to say all the M.E. problems would be solved if the Jews were just out of the way. Yes? That's not a solution. It's not a criticism to say kill them all or make them leave, on either side of the table. It's a statement that bigots say. Can you see that?

1067 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:06:53pm

re: #1049 MisterCookie

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

The colon was missing from [Link: ...] What a challenge it was to read the URL :P

I really hope they get some justice this time.

1068 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:06:55pm

re: #1047 prairiefire

A victory for Native Americans?

The $3.4 billion will be placed in a still-to-be-selected bank and $1.4 billion will go to individuals, mostly in the form of checks ranging from $500 to $1,500.


Maybe my niece can get an iPad with her take.

1069 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:08:29pm

re: #1063 cliffster

this comes across as a tacit apology for her statements, if not a tacit approval.

Tacit my ass... it's approval... period.

1070 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:09:29pm

re: #1054 WindUpBird

re: #1025 JasonA

WTF Apple?!?
Cuomo looks into iPad sales over discrimination claim

They were concerned about bulk sales they were afraid could go overseas, but to target people because they look Asian is pretty shitty.

Here's the best case for discrimination of Asian kids I've ever read. They can destroy people's lives! I trust this will resonate with you guys.
/

[Link: www.demonbaby.com...]

1071 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:09:40pm

"He's not the devil, he's just not running the country well"

-- O'Reilly, on Obama

I've never liked O'Reilly. Pisses me off when he says sensible stuff like this.

1072 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:10:31pm

re: #1069 Walter L. Newton

Tacit my ass... it's approval... period.

dude, don't be so angry her job was to express the opinion of the WH...

1073 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:10:45pm

To every loon
(spin, spin, spin)
There is a reason
(spin, spin, spin)
And a time for special pleading
Under heaven.

A time to make fun
Of people who died.
A time to excuse
The times when you lied.
A time to laugh
At things that are sad.
A time to post that bullshit ain't so bad.

[chorus]

A time to reject
The plain truth of day.
A time to run
When brave people stay.
A time to smell shit
And say it's OK.
A time to reap where others had to pay.

[chorus]

[more to follow as the spirit moves]

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

1074 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:10:47pm

re: #1069 Walter L. Newton

Tacit my ass... it's approval... period.

benefit of the doubt, dude...

1075 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:11:20pm

re: #1074 cliffster

benefit of the doubt, dude...

Don't get me started... just back off...

1076 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:11:58pm

re: #1027 Nimed

I recognize the necessity of the bailouts. What I'm saying is that the damage caused by the financial industry to the US and the world isn't limited to the bailouts. In fact, the bailouts are relatively minuscule compared to the suffering caused by long-term unemployment, or to the loss of potential output.

Fair enough. But a naughty person might ask you why you haven't started your own company and hired workers. Your smart enough to badmouth the very institutions who lend money, after all. Do you actually have any marketable skills?

1077 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:11:59pm

re: #1036 prairiefire

Reine, the Oil Industry is one of the balls in the air that Obama can not allow to fall. Our economy is too fragile for work to be shorted in your state.

Define fail?

To explain:

The pumping from existing wells will continue.

The refining of oil both imported and domestic will continue.

Servicing all this will continue.

The drilling contractors and manufacturers will continue, but their work and sales will be out side the US.

The highly skilled drilling professionals will be employed, but in Africa, disrupting their families.

But the deep-water drilling industry will collapse locally. The thousands of support personnel will lose their jobs, they will not be re-located, and all the money that gets spent locally will go foreign.

The domestic supply of oil will decline, more will be imported.

The list goes on and on. Not so much fail as relocate. Deep-water drilling in the US will definitely be a fail for a decade or so.

1078 bratwurst  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:12:15pm

re: #1071 cliffster

"He's not the devil, he's just not running the country well"

-- O'Reilly, on Obama

I've never liked O'Reilly. Pisses me off when he says sensible stuff like this.

He is staking his claim to the largely abandoned "sensible center right pundit" real estate. Good for him...even if he doesn't know the difference between a loofah and a falafal.

1079 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:12:50pm

re: #1072 brookly red

dude, don't be so angry her job was to express the opinion of the WH...

Was that necessary?

1080 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:13:03pm

re: #1071 cliffster

I heard that too. Eyebrow raised, I nodded my head slowly.

In the President's defense?

POTUS is an amazingly impossible job... President Obama is making it look more impossible with each passing day.

Not that Bush was Mr. Runsitgood....

1081 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:13:34pm

re: #1073 Cato the Elder

whoa...heh, Pete would be proud of you

1082 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:13:37pm

re: #1063 cliffster

this comes across as a tacit apology for her statements, if not a tacit approval.

re: #1069 Walter L. Newton

Tacit my ass... it's approval... period.

Yes, you are so right. Darth is endorsing Thomas' opinions. You just have to read between the lines! True colors!

Sigh.

1083 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:13:40pm

re: #1079 marjoriemoon

Was that necessary?

well maybe yes...

1084 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:14:06pm

re: #1063 cliffster

this comes across as a tacit apology for her statements, if not a tacit approval.

To negate the legitimacy of the State of Israel and to call for the expulsion of its entire Jewish population is virulent, bloodthirsty anti-Semitism pure and simple. Anyone here who defends the senile old whore is a stinking Jew-baiter.

1085 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:14:33pm

re: #1008 Floral Giraffe

Hola Honco Lizards.
*waves*

Hey hey!

1086 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:14:40pm

re: #1078 bratwurst

Loofahs are delicious.

1087 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:14:49pm

re: #1084 Spare O'Lake

To negate the legitimacy of the State of Israel and to call for the expulsion of its entire Jewish population is virulent, bloodthirsty anti-Semitism pure and simple. Anyone here who defends the senile old whore is a stinking Jew-baiter.

I like Jew Baiter better than my "fucking jerk."

1088 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:14:57pm

re: #1078 bratwurst

He is staking his claim to the largely abandoned "sensible center right pundit" real estate. Good for him...even if he doesn't know the difference between a loofah and a falafal.

ahaa!...good one

1089 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:14:57pm

re: #1083 brookly red

well maybe yes...

So Obama is to blame for every stupid comment that comes out of someone's mouth?

1090 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:15:12pm

re: #1086 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Loofahs are delicious.

Specially with mustard.

1091 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:15:42pm

re: #1084 Spare O'Lake

To negate the legitimacy of the State of Israel and to call for the expulsion of its entire Jewish population is virulent, bloodthirsty anti-Semitism pure and simple. Anyone here who defends the senile old whore is a stinking Jew-baiter.

Tell us how you really feel!
;)

1092 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:15:58pm

re: #1086 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Loofahs are delicious.

and you can scrub yourself clean with a good falafel

1093 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:16:33pm

re: #1085 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey hey!

Yo! That's some NICE linkage you posted, Sir.

1094 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:16:35pm

re: #1086 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Loofahs are delicious.

Specially if they're made as pie.

1095 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:16:47pm

re: #1077 Bagua

Define fail?

To explain:

The pumping from existing wells will continue.

The refining of oil both imported and domestic will continue.

Servicing all this will continue.

The drilling contractors and manufacturers will continue, but their work and sales will be out side the US.

The highly skilled drilling professionals will be employed, but in Africa, disrupting their families.

But the deep-water drilling industry will collapse locally. The thousands of support personnel will lose their jobs, they will not be re-located, and all the money that gets spent locally will go foreign.

The domestic supply of oil will decline, more will be imported.

The list goes on and on. Not so much fail as relocate. Deep-water drilling in the US will definitely be a fail for a decade or so.

Their sales have been going outside of the US for years. Are you saying there will be no more deep water drilling in US waters?

1096 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:17:02pm

re: #1089 marjoriemoon

So Obama is to blame for every stupid comment that comes out of someone's mouth?

yeah...he's the Won, responsible for millions...maybe billions of voices...fucking awsome

1097 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:17:16pm

re: #1094 reine.de.tout

Loofah pie. Mmm, fiber.

1098 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:17:26pm

re: #1093 Floral Giraffe

Yo! That's some NICE linkage you posted, Sir.

Why thank you! Sent you a mail :)

1099 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:17:33pm

re: #1082 Nimed

Yes, you are so right. Darth is endorsing Thomas' opinions. You just have to read between the lines! True colors!

Sigh.

Come on Nimed, if someone was making light of a comment that "Blacks should go back to Africa" that would be revealing their true colours and we would all of us agree. There is no need to read between any lines, it is what it is.

1100 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:18:04pm

First, ' fake-but-accurate'. Now we'll have another too-cute-by-half catch phrase. Vote for one:
'Inadvertent-but-
a) 'illustrative'
b)'understandable'
c) ' strategic '
My money's on (c).

1101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:18:17pm

re: #1094 reine.de.tout

There's pie?

1102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:18:23pm

re: #1073 Cato the Elder

To every loon
(spin, spin, spin)
There is a reason
(spin, spin, spin)
And a time for special pleading
Under heaven.

A time to make fun
Of people who died.
A time to excuse
The times when you lied.
A time to laugh
At things that are sad.
A time to post that bullshit ain't so bad.

[chorus]

A time to reject
The plain truth of day.
A time to run
When brave people stay.
A time to smell shit
And say it's OK.
A time to reap where others had to pay.

[chorus]

[more to follow as the spirit moves]

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

Brilliant work, Cato. It's not only spot on topically, but it fits the musical arrangements exceptionally well. Did you sing it before you posted it?

1103 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:18:53pm

re: #1089 marjoriemoon

So Obama is to blame for every stupid comment that comes out of someone's mouth?

I did not say that you did, she was there for quite a few administrations so you can't twist my words into an anti Obama slam, she goes back to... well I can't even say I wasn't born yet.

1104 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:19:02pm

re: #983 brookly red

OK so far he has gone after:
-Bush
-Banks
-Wall Street
-Pharma
-Oil
-the Military
-the Auto Industry
-New Media
-Old Media
-Guns & religious people

sooner or later even you die hards are going to realize that he is the problem.

Drudge? He's irritating, but I wouldn't call him 'the problem'.

1105 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:19:05pm

I would like to comment officially as a Jew, that most of us have soured on the whole Central European thing.

1106 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:19:37pm

re: #1077 Bagua


The domestic supply of oil will decline, more will be imported.

I agree with much of what you said, though I would have stated the above differently: "The domestic supply of oil will continue decline but without the cushion provided by deepwater oil, more will be imported unless we reduce our consumption proportionately."

1107 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:19:44pm

re: #1093 Floral Giraffe

Yo! That's some NICE linkage you posted, Sir.

Hey, Flo!
You think you can convince your buddy LVQ to quit using my name in his posts?

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

1108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:19:51pm

Fred Thompson's hawking reverse mortgages now.

1109 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:19:51pm

there's always pie

1110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:19:53pm

re: #1082 Nimed

Yes, you are so right. Darth is endorsing Thomas' opinions. You just have to read between the lines! True colors!

Sigh.

Here's how you make a statement in regards to Helen Thomas... no reading between these fucking lines to understand the what they are saying (and what they are not saying)...

(Statement Issued By the Board of the White House Correspondents Association June 7, 2010)

"Helen Thomas' comments were indefensible and the White House Correspondents Association board firmly dissociates itself from them. Many in our profession who have known Helen for years were saddened by the comments, which were especially unfortunate in light of her role as a trail blazer on the White House beat."

[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

1111 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:20:46pm

re: #1103 brookly red

I did not say that you did, she was there for quite a few administrations so you can't twist my words into an anti Obama slam, she goes back to... well I can't even say I wasn't born yet.

You said "WH" which I usually read as the President or at least his administration or did you mean something else?

1112 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:20:48pm

re: #1101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's pie?

Just for you!

1113 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:21:11pm

re: #1014 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

KT? Nice job on these photos.

Amazing how you are able to catch so much of this bullshit.

Total man crush over here.

Thanks. I had a lot of help from all the lizards. Everything I know about blogs and media hoaxes I learned right here on LGF.

1114 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:21:15pm

re: #1107 reine.de.tout

Hey, Flo!
You think you can convince your buddy LVQ to quit using my name in his posts?

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow sorry Reine... I really am sorry. I didn't think it was an issue.

1115 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:21:15pm

re: #1104 SanFranciscoZionist

within 200 comments... that is a personal best for you :)

1116 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:21:59pm

re: #1098 LudwigVanQuixote

Why thank you! Sent you a mail :)

Hello, Ludwig! You should check out Darthstar's #943 and the responses to it. It's worth seeing to observe a blog's posters self-correct when one of their own goes over the line.

1117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:22:27pm

re: #1112 reine.de.tout

Four years of Algebra I.

But, I get it.

1118 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:22:43pm

re: #1114 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow sorry Reine... I really am sorry. I didn't think it was an issue.

I'm ROFL.
No, it's not an issue.
I thought it was funny.

1119 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:22:59pm

re: #1111 marjoriemoon

You said "WH" which I usually read as the President or at least his administration or did you mean something else?

yes I said WH and there have been a few she has represented, some just pretended to like Jews better.

1120 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:23:26pm

re: #1104 SanFranciscoZionist
Drudge would be ' The Messenger '.
And you know what people reflexively tend to want to do to messengers.....

1121 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:23:31pm

re: #1072 brookly red

dude, don't be so angry her job was to express the opinion of the WH...

Uhh...that is a giant non-sequiter leap, really? Her job was to report on the White house, often the behind the scenes opinions that weren't part of the official stance of the lead politicians. Or do you actually think that the White house press corps job is to make up and create their own trial issues without any input from the politicians just to see how well they go over?

This wasn't a "leak" to test the waters, this wasn't something fed to the press to gauge peoples reaction, this was a woman who stayed in the game way too long speaking for herself and revealing just how far gone she was.

This has nothing to do with the Left or the Right wing, the white house, congress, or anything remotely like them. This was just a reporter who has seen better days and should have bowwed out years ago apparently. :(

1122 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:24:06pm

re: #1108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Beats the viagra circuit./

1123 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:24:21pm

re: #1113 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I had a lot of help from all the lizards. Everything I know about blogs and media hoaxes I learned right here on LGF.

yup, the little train that could...
now you are the 4:19 smokestackin down the line

1124 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:24:38pm

re: #1095 prairiefire

Their sales have been going outside of the US for years. Are you saying there will be no more deep water drilling in US waters?

Yes, of course there is overseas drilling as well. There is a shortage of rigs everywhere.

Absolutely, a six month moratorium means exactly "no deep water drilling in US waters." What I have explained several times, is that this means a much longer pause because those rigs are not coming back and it could take a decade to build new ones to the new standards that are likely to follow the moratorium's end.

And note, we wont burn less oil or drill and pump less, just that we will pay more and the money will go to Africa, South America and elsewhere. Those rigs will not be sitting idle or mothballed, they will go drill elsewhere.

1125 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:24:59pm

re: #1123 albusteve

yup, the little train that could...
now you are the 4:19 smokestackin down the line

;)

1126 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:25:09pm

re: #1117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Four years of Algebra I.

But, I get it.

I'm right there with you. I can sell ice to Eskimos (Indigenous Northerners), but I can't do ciphering.

1127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:25:34pm

re: #1120 tradewind

I thought Drudge's "Helen Sent To Poland" headline was funny though.

He misses much more than he hits anymore. But, IMO, that was a hit.

1128 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:25:37pm

re: #1121 ausador

This was just a reporter who has seen better days


When? I can't think of any.

1129 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:25:54pm

I won't tell anyone what my real-life name is. No one would ever figure it out.

1130 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:26:35pm

re: #1076 Boogberg

Fair enough. But a naughty person might ask you why you haven't started your own company and hired workers. Your smart enough to badmouth the very institutions who lend money, after all. Do you actually have any marketable skills?

Huh? There's so much wrong in this comment.

1- that's an argument of authority. I don't have to be the CEO of a bank to condemn underregulated destructive financial practices.

2- My job and marketable skills, like the rest of my life, are not your business. I'm quite happy with them, and I will disclose them in a comment section if and when I choose to.

3- The financial sector is not exactly labor intensive, you know?

4- I was condemning some of the practices of the modern financial system, not the existence of financial companies. This may come as a surprise to you, but people could borrow money before the 80s.

1131 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:26:53pm

re: #1118 reine.de.tout

I'm ROFL.
No, it's not an issue.
I thought it was funny.

Shakes fist!

1132 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:27:14pm

re: #1121 ausador

Uhh...that is a giant non-sequiter leap, really? Her job was to report on the White house, often the behind the scenes opinions that weren't part of the official stance of the lead politicians. Or do you actually think that the White house press corps job is to make up and create their own trial issues without any input from the politicians just to see how well they go over?

This wasn't a "leak" to test the waters, this wasn't something fed to the press to gauge peoples reaction, this was a woman who stayed in the game way too long speaking for herself and revealing just how far gone she was.

This has nothing to do with the Left or the Right wing, the white house, congress, or anything remotely like them. This was just a reporter who has seen better days and should have bowwed out years ago apparently. :(

Oh I do agree, we have had rabid anti Semites in positions of importance for as long as I can remember & before that I am sure... did I say left or right? no you did so back the f up off me ok.

1133 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:28:14pm

re: #1131 LudwigVanQuixote

Shakes fist!

Just use that new riding crop on FG's backside and you'll feel better. :D

1134 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:28:40pm

re: #1132 brookly red

Oh I do agree, we have had rabid anti Semites in positions of importance for as long as I can remember & before that I am sure... did I say left or right? no you did so back the f up off me ok.

Hey... you wants that I takes care of dis for ya... shore enuf.

1135 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:28:57pm

re: #1127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Are you talking about his accuracy rate, or his rate of being first with a story? Because looking over his page, for someone with so many breaking news stories, he has to retract remarkably few.

1136 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:29:08pm

re: #1054 WindUpBird

Torrents are the greatest thing ever for abandonware, but yeah, buy music, that's the way to do it. I've I've been waiting for a record for a year, it just seems disrespectful on some base level to then not plunk down the ten bucks.

OK, confession: I'm no lily-white guy at all. I've made tapes for people, and people have made tapes for me. Ditto CDs. But always at one remove only, i.e. either I paid for it and gave it to a friend, or my friend paid for it and gave it to me. Strictly speaking that's not fair use, but we're all human.

To put up someone's proprietary work as a free-for-all on the net, that's a whole 'nother category, in my book.

"Abandonware" is a new term to me, but I totally get that.

The only thing I've freeloaded off the net, ever, that I can remember, was a recent acquisition off a Portuguese site.

I'd been looking for that album for literally twenty-six years. I missed it by inches several times on Portuguese eBay. The artist is living and has several more recent albums available on Amazon and iTunes. If she wants to contact me and ask for royalties for the '60s album I downloaded, I will happily pay her the going rate for a pristine original copy. After more than a quarter century of searching, I consider it abandonware, but she's welcome to reclaim it if she wants.

1137 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:29:09pm

re: #1121 ausador


This has nothing to do with the Left or the Right wing, the white house, congress, or anything remotely like them. This was just a reporter who has seen better days and should have bowwed out years ago apparently. :(

I'd just modify that to: "This was just a bigot that should never have been a reporter."

1138 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:29:18pm

re: #1121 ausador

To make it even more extra evil, she was asked what she thought of Israel on the day of the first Jewish American Heritage Month event at the White House. Arrgghhhh.....

1139 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:30:09pm

re: #1129 cliffster

I won't tell anyone what my real-life name is. No one would ever figure it out.

Trentster? :p

1140 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:30:18pm

re: #1134 Walter L. Newton

Hey... you wants that I takes care of dis for ya... shore enuf.

Meyer, is that you?

1141 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:30:27pm

re: #1134 Walter L. Newton

Hey... you wants that I takes care of dis for ya... shore enuf.

it's been a while, you lost your accent...

1142 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:30:47pm

Random music dropin:

Youtube Video

God that guy is awesome.

1143 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:31:14pm

re: #1117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Four years of Algebra I.

But, I get it.

I decided to give it one more try at the community college after several years. There should be a warning on that torture chamber. :D

1144 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:31:16pm

re: #1133 Dark_Falcon

Just use that new riding crop on FG's backside and you'll feel better. :D

or perhaps a clever use of clothespins ;)

1145 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:31:52pm

re: #1136 Cato the Elder

Cato, I couldn't get past the Portuguese to get that music you recommended.

1146 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:32:01pm

re: #1102 Dark_Falcon

Brilliant work, Cato. It's not only spot on topically, but it fits the musical arrangements exceptionally well. Did you sing it before you posted it?

You betcha! In my croaky I'm-an-old-muleskinner-Bob-Dylan voice.

1147 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:32:13pm

I'm out. Nighter's lizards.

1148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:32:35pm

Anybody bothered by Obama's saying "So I'll know whose ass to kick."?

I loved it.

1149 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:33:04pm

re: #1143 Boogberg

I decided to give it one more try at the community college after several years. There should be a warning on that torture chamber. :D

Math makes my skin crawl. I've had anxiety dreams about passing a crucial math class before I could receive my degree for years.

1150 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:34:02pm

re: #1138 marjoriemoon

To make it even more extra evil, she was asked what she thought of Israel on the day of the first Jewish American Heritage Month event at the White House. Arrgghhh...

And she said these words to a visibly recognizable Orthodox rabbi.

Gah.

1151 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:34:14pm

re: #1138 marjoriemoon

To make it even more extra evil, she was asked what she thought of Israel on the day of the first Jewish American Heritage Month event at the White House. Arrgghhh...

Honestly, I think she was drunk. Not to excuse it, but because it makes sense that someone who got that far hiding their anti-semitism got caught in a moment of lowered defenses. Like Mel Gibson, only crustier.

1152 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:34:14pm

re: #1146 Cato the Elder

You betcha! In my croaky I'm-an-old-muleskinner-Bob-Dylan voice.

I'd actually say you're a skunk skinner, given the trolls you've demolished here.

1153 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:34:48pm

re: #1129 cliffster

I won't tell anyone what my real-life name is. No one would ever figure it out.

that's why we have Google

1154 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:34:48pm

re: #1150 Alouette

And she said these words to a visibly recognizable Orthodox rabbi.

Gah.

Has Obama said anything about that?

1155 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:35:01pm

re: #1148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Getting the presidency out of the boomers hands as a good thing; Exhibit G :D

1156 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:35:07pm

re: #1136 Cato the Elder

Musicians make their money on live shows. Until they get big enough to negotiate a good contract for themselves, and there we're talking BIG. I know quite a few folks who make their living in music, and that's the story. I'm not saying piracy is a good thing, but I don't think the musicians are the ones that are hurt.

1157 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:35:49pm

re: #1148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody bothered by Obama's saying "So I'll know whose ass to kick."?

I loved it.

fake

1158 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:36:03pm

re: #1139 ausador

Trentster? :p

Rumplestilskin?

1159 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:36:19pm

re: #1133 Dark_Falcon

Just use that new riding crop on FG's backside and you'll feel better. :D

Please! You are required to ask permission!

1160 albusteve  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:36:33pm

re: #1157 cliffster

fake

too much TV

1161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:36:39pm

re: #1138 marjoriemoon

To make it even more extra evil, she was asked what she thought of Israel on the day of the first Jewish American Heritage Month event at the White House. Arrgghhh...

Asked by a Rabbi had two young Jewish men with him... wearing yarmulkes to boot!

1162 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:36:46pm

re: #1154 LudwigVanQuixote

Has Obama said anything about that?

Why should Obama have to say anything about Helen Thomas? He is not responsible for her, she has been a White House correspondent since at least the Ulysses Grant administration.

Abraham Lincoln would have thrown her treasonous ass in jail.

1163 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:36:47pm

re: #1132 brookly red

Oh I do agree, we have had rabid anti Semites in positions of importance for as long as I can remember & before that I am sure... did I say left or right? no you did so back the f up off me ok.

Damn, the natives are testy tonight...

dude, don't be so angry her job was to express the opinion of the WH...

Ohh...ok, sorry about that, so you were not saying that her opinion represented that of the White House? Cause it sure sounded like that was what you were saying with that comment...

/ ;)

1164 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:36:58pm

re: #1156 cliffster

There are a ton of self-publishing or small-label artists these days tho >>

1165 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:37:25pm

re: #1156 cliffster

Pirate Metallica and the 'Stones all you want tho, they won't be hurtin' any time soon :D

1166 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:37:32pm

re: #1154 LudwigVanQuixote

Has Obama said anything about that?

well he has been busy with parties in the WH, I am sure he will get to it as soon as he plugs the hole & fixes the economy... Jews are really not high on the to do list.

1167 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:37:43pm

re: #1156 cliffster

Yes, the musicians take a fair brunt of it. It is their intellectual property after all. The flip side is what Cato did, bringing the artist to new exposure.

1168 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:37:52pm

re: #1163 ausador

I got that he was joking.

1169 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:38:10pm

re: #1130 Nimed

Huh? There's so much wrong in this comment.

1- that's an argument of authority. I don't have to be the CEO of a bank to condemn underregulated destructive financial practices.

2- My job and marketable skills, like the rest of my life, are not your business. I'm quite happy with them, and I will disclose them in a comment section if and when I choose to.

3- The financial sector is not exactly labor intensive, you know?

4- I was condemning some of the practices of the modern financial system, not the existence of financial companies. This may come as a surprise to you, but people could borrow money before the 80s.

What do you mean with point number 3? Physical labor is the only real work?

1170 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:38:19pm

re: #1168 Bagua

I got that he was joking.

Who can tell these days, anyways?

1171 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:38:59pm

re: #1170 windsagio

Who can tell these days, anyways?

I thought it was pretty obvious. ~~

1172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:39:02pm

re: #1157 cliffster

Looked like a moment of candor to me.

1173 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:39:11pm

re: #1169 Boogberg

Is that all you got out of that post? yeesh.

1174 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:39:32pm

re: #1099 Bagua

Come on Nimed, if someone was making light of a comment that "Blacks should go back to Africa" that would be revealing their true colours and we would all of us agree. There is no need to read between any lines, it is what it is.

Darth is saying that Thomas is old, so we should give her a break, etc. While I'm definitely not with Darth in this, it's pretty obvious he is not approving Helen Thomas' statements.

To use your example, someone could "defend" the racist comment "Blacks should go back to Africa" by claiming that it was said by an old, senile Southern geezer who doesn't know any better and is being sufficiently punished for it anyway, so we should give him a break. I would vehemently disagree, but I wouldn't infer approval from the person who presented this "defense".

1175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:39:40pm

Gonna go make myself not awake.

G'night Knuckleheads!

1176 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:39:45pm

re: #1171 Bagua

Depends on how long it's been since your psychic receiver was last tuned :D

1177 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:40:21pm

re: #1148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh heck no. Just that there was just the faintest whiff of Kerry 's ' kin ah git me a huntin' license ' clinging to it.

1178 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:41:37pm

re: #1167 prairiefire

Yes, the musicians take a fair brunt of it. It is their intellectual property after all. The flip side is what Cato did, bringing the artist to new exposure.

that's not really the common situation. It's not the artists' IP, it's the record company's. May not be right, but that's how the contracts are always structured.

1179 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:41:42pm

re: #1162 Alouette
Right....POTUS shouldn't dignify it with any response, so I am happy he has not.
I am wondering what's on the rest of that taped interview with Thomas that we haven't heard yet.......

1180 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:42:03pm

re: #1173 windsagio

Is that all you got out of that post? yeesh.

Well go ahead and tell me what I was supposed to get out of it.

1181 cliffster  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:42:08pm

re: #1172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Looked like a moment of candor to me.

I thought it was staged. I'm more cynical than you, though.

1182 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:44:07pm

re: #1176 windsagio

Depends on how long it's been since your psychic receiver was last tuned :D

Not to mention us poor schlobs who only manage to steal a couple of hours a day to try to keep up with this place. But using sarc tags isn't cool or isn't needed for the true cognizanti...WTF ever.

I'm wrong again, good night folks, sorry.

1183 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:45:19pm

re: #1179 tradewind

Right...POTUS shouldn't dignify it with any response, so I am happy he has not.
I am wondering what's on the rest of that taped interview with Thomas that we haven't heard yet...

Here's the entire segment.

Youtube Video
1184 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:46:55pm

re: #1180 Boogberg

Well go ahead and tell me what I was supposed to get out of it.

I shouldn't speak for Nimed, but this is what I got out of it (point for point by his post).

1) I don't have to be the head of a bank to criticize underregulation (pretty straightforward, no?)

2) Don't presume moral inferiority, or beyond that that you know one damn thing about what I do or how productive I am.

3) Them being high up in the financial industry doesn't give them some kind of moral superiority.

4) This whole thing is stupid because you're conflating condemning the modern state of the financial industry with condemning banks and lenders in general.

~~~

To put in my own bit, there's plenty to condemn and plenty of room for reform without nationalizing the banks.

1185 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:47:20pm

re: #1182 ausador

Wait, what?

1186 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:48:33pm

re: #1183 Alouette

Here's the entire segment.

[Video]

The rabbi is laughing! But I think this is a natural response to hearing something so shocking. He probably thought she was joking! It may seem inappropriate, but how would you react in that situation?

1187 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:49:50pm

re: #1182 ausador

Not to mention us poor schlobs who only manage to steal a couple of hours a day to try to keep up with this place. But using sarc tags isn't cool or isn't needed for the true cognizanti...WTF ever.

I'm wrong again, good night folks, sorry.

you got valuable input... step off the ledge, and sit a spell

1188 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:50:20pm

re: #1186 Alouette

The rabbi is laughing! But I think this is a natural response to hearing something so shocking. He probably thought she was joking! It may seem inappropriate, but how would you react in that situation?

Probably physically hurt her... those statements are as good as saying she wished that all Jews had managed to be exterminated in the first place.

1189 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:50:42pm

re: #1174 Nimed

Darth is saying that Thomas is old, so we should give her a break, etc. While I'm definitely not with Darth in this, it's pretty obvious he is not approving Helen Thomas' statements.

Approve of and make light of are very different things. Please maintain stable goal posts. Coming from a person who fiercely denounces things he disapproves of, making light of Thomas's outrageous statement is quite a statement itself.

To use your example, someone could "defend" the racist comment "Blacks should go back to Africa" by claiming that it was said by an old, senile Southern geezer who doesn't know any better and is being sufficiently punished for it anyway, so we should give him a break. I would vehemently disagree, but I wouldn't infer approval from the person who presented this "defense".

Why "Southern"? Lol.

Also, if that "senile Southern geezer" was a reporter of the status and standing the Thomas had, then I highly doubt she would get a, nothing to see here, pass from you.

Also, the issue is not approval. Let's stay focused, it is making light of, dismissing as unimportant. Just as he has, coincidentally, dismissed the LGF exposure of the Reuters Fautography as no big deal. Posting videos of a cat burping and farting twice to show his opinion on the topic.

1190 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:51:30pm

re: #1186 Alouette

The rabbi is laughing! But I think this is a natural response to hearing something so shocking. He probably thought she was joking! It may seem inappropriate, but how would you react in that situation?

you are right... punching an old woman's lights out is bad in any culture.

1191 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:52:11pm

re: #1176 windsagio

Depends on how long it's been since your psychic receiver was last tuned :D

Of course, you are the expect on everyone's secret motives and intentions.

1192 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:52:13pm

re: #1186 Alouette

The rabbi is laughing! But I think this is a natural response to hearing something so shocking. He probably thought she was joking! It may seem inappropriate, but how would you react in that situation?

It's tough to say. Most likely, I would have blown a fuse after hearing something like that. I'd likely end up in trouble because I'd likely suggest putting her in a rest home or some such thing.

1193 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:52:16pm

re: #1189 Bagua

Why "Southern"? Lol.

Don't really ahve much to say to the rest of it, but 'southern' because, strangely we'd be more likely to give a pass to a far-gone senile southerner that was freakin' racist than otherwise.

Weird world, eh?

1194 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:52:27pm

re: #1148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody bothered by Obama's saying "So I'll know whose ass to kick."?

I loved it.

What?

1195 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:52:39pm

re: #1191 Bagua

I keep my equipment in top shape!

1196 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:53:02pm

re: #1191 Bagua

Also, where did that come from?

1197 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:53:06pm

re: #1166 brookly red

well he has been busy with parties in the WH, I am sure he will get to it as soon as he plugs the hole & fixes the economy... Jews are really not high on the to do list.



The press secretary made a statement. Anything directly from Obama would have given this way too much importance.

1198 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:53:21pm

re: #1188 Walter L. Newton

Probably physically hurt her... those statements are as good as saying she wished that all Jews had managed to be exterminated in the first place.

I think that a normal person, who has been brought up to be polite and especially respectful to elders, would have sufficient self-control not to physically assault the batty old lady. But that anger and emotional energy has to be released and the most socially acceptable is to laugh.

1199 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:54:14pm

re: #1145 Bagua

Cato, I couldn't get past the Portuguese to get that music you recommended.

My nick is blue. Email me and I'll send you the throwaway login I used.

1200 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:54:21pm

re: #1196 windsagio

Also, where did that come from?

You asked about my psychic receiver's tuning. ~'~

1201 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:54:36pm

re: #1197 SanFranciscoZionist


The press secretary made a statement. Anything directly from Obama would have given this way too much importance.

I guess that is true about the Gaza situation too huh?

1202 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:55:15pm

re: #1201 brookly red

I guess that is true about the Gaza situation too huh?

Sure thing.

1203 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:55:43pm

re: #1188 Walter L. Newton

Your schtick is getting old. The Helen Thomas thing is a non-issue.
- Guess?

1204 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:55:45pm

re: #1200 Bagua

A little off, you might wanna take it into the shop ;)

1205 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:56:42pm

re: #1194 MandyManners
Oh, it's big news that POTUS has manned up and finally gotten in touch with his inner BP rage./ He said ' ass ' , whoopsy!/

1206 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:58:25pm

re: #1186 Alouette
I know people like that..... they have a laugh reaction when they are shocked or nervous, even in inappropriate situations. One of them couldn't stop snickering at a funeral.... very disconcerting, but I knew he couldn't help it.

1207 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:58:46pm

re: #1186 Alouette

The rabbi is laughing! But I think this is a natural response to hearing something so shocking. He probably thought she was joking! It may seem inappropriate, but how would you react in that situation?

Again, Helen strikes me as a dry sherry kind of lady. Personally, I would have fired up a joint, and then challenged anybody who found that to be inappropriate.

1208 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:58:55pm

re: #1205 tradewind

When you google "Obama Ass", don't accidently have it on 'google image'

1209 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:59:12pm

re: #1184 windsagio

I shouldn't speak for Nimed, but this is what I got out of it (point for point by his post)

3) Them being high up in the financial industry doesn't give them some kind of moral superiority.

But yet a laborer is supposed to get special consideration?

1210 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:59:12pm

re: #1202 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure thing.

wtf a direct response??? not 200 comments later?

prove you are SFZ, this is not unreasonable as Cato has gone missing already. It might be a conspiracy... you do understand.

1211 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:59:20pm

So far today on LGF...
Page Views: 240,090
Comments: 2,465
Visits from Reuters: 110

/not bad

1212 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 8:59:55pm

re: #1208 windsagio

When you google "Obama Ass", don't accidently have it on 'google image'

Yikes.

Now, I'd forgotten about the young lady with the fantastic butt.

1213 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:00:00pm

re: #1209 Boogberg

I didn't say that here, and I don't think Nimed did either (altho I might have missed it).

You don't really need anybody else to be around to have this 'labor vs. capital' argument, do you?

1214 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:00:40pm

re: #1210 brookly red

wtf a direct response??? not 200 comments later?

prove you are SFZ, this is not unreasonable as Cato has gone missing already. It might be a conspiracy... you do understand.

Dogs barking. Can't fly without umbrella.

1215 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:00:43pm

re: #1208 windsagio

When you google "Obama Ass", don't accidently have it on 'google image'

Do you normally do Google image search with "safe" disabled?

1216 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:00:47pm

re: #1211 Killgore Trout

I'm hoping we get a few Reuters purchases of the "Forbidden Cookbook."

1217 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:01:08pm

re: #1215 Alouette

Umm, yes?

I don't have any kids tho' >>

1218 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:02:13pm

re: #1214 SanFranciscoZionist

Dogs barking. Can't fly without umbrella.

who is on your roof?

1219 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:02:29pm

re: #1215 Alouette

C'mon, with 'safe' on you would have missed the Shiny purple 'obama kiss my ass' panties!

1220 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:02:46pm

re: #1218 brookly red

who is on your roof?

That would be the zombies from "Plants vs. Zombies", at the moment.

1221 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:03:37pm

re: #1216 jaunte

I'm hoping we get a few Reuters purchases of the "Forbidden Cookbook."

Yes, indeed!
that would be coup.

BTW - did you get the email I sent you?

1222 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:03:38pm

re: #1220 SanFranciscoZionist

That would be the zombies from "Plants vs. Zombies", at the moment.

You're obsessed!

1223 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:03:47pm

re: #1047 prairiefire

A victory for Native Americans?

Even though I'm not American, that news tickles me pink. In Canada most bands have already received funds to buy land to replace that which was taken from them decades ago.

1224 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:03:52pm

re: #1193 windsagio
Are you kidding?
If this had been as the poster above set out, it would have taken three minutes, not three days, for the pink slip. Definitely not one sunset would have passed before the person was toast.

1225 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:03:55pm

re: #1216 jaunte

I'm hoping we get a few Reuters purchases of the "Forbidden Cookbook."

Heh. We should have included a recipe for them...
Peace Activist stew
Crop vegetables
Hide knife
Apologize and enjoy

1226 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:04:16pm

re: #1219 windsagio

C'mon, with 'safe' on you would have missed the Shiny purple 'obama kiss my ass' panties!

Wow. The level of class almost has to be seen to be believed.

Do people actually walk around wearing those? What if you were hit by a car?

1227 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:04:20pm

re: #1225 Killgore Trout

Heh. We should have included a recipe for them...
Peace Activist stew
Crop vegetables
Hide knife
Apologize and enjoy

Volume 3.

1228 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:05:01pm

re: #1227 reine.de.tout

Volume 3.

Lets hope we get there!

1229 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:05:31pm

re: #1220 SanFranciscoZionist

That would be the zombies from "Plants vs. Zombies", at the moment.

the correct answer was dumpster muffin, but close enough, I believe it is you...
care for some rain water & grain alcohol ?

1230 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:05:41pm

Just met My Moonbat Brother™ taking out the trash.

He told me the following, in no uncertain terms.

A. Helen Thomas was right.
B. Israel created Hamas by alchemical oppression.
C. The image of a crazed Jewish terrorist holding a knife while a bloodied Palestinian Authority policeman lies cringing on the ground is known as "Tuesday" in the real world.
D. Israel's defeat of six invading eliminationist Arab armies in 1948 was not a miracle, nor yet a stunning surprise, because "the Jews" have always been big strong bullies over there.
E. Peace activists should not be mocked.
[...]
Z. Obama should grow a pair and stop kowtowing to Israel.

This is what I get for mentioning Israel in his presence.

Alouette, this is a lonely guy. Any chance Your Moonbat Sister™ is looking to get married? He's really nice and smart other than his IDS, and maybe they could be happy together.

1231 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:05:48pm

re: #1048 Cato the Elder

And I can't believe people who saw how ridiculous it was to blame Bush for the weather are now blaming Obama for an oil spill!

Who blamed the Bush administration for the weather? I thought they were condemned for an incompetent response by FEMA.

1232 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:05:56pm

re: #1226 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow. The level of class almost has to be seen to be believed.

Do people actually walk around wearing those? What if you were hit by a car?

The emergency room crew would get a good laugh as they fixed you up?

1233 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:06:17pm

re: #1224 tradewind

I don't disagree, I guess I'm trying to say it would be a bit easier to shrug off as 'expected', not any less awful, or any less worthy of punishment.

1234 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:06:31pm

re: #1199 Cato the Elder

Incoming from TheSecretBatcave™

1235 soap_man  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:06:32pm

re: #1226 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow. The level of class almost has to be seen to be believed.

Do people actually walk around wearing those? What if you were hit by a car?

You wouldn't be. Those are so damn shiny, they would be like bike reflectors.

Also, evening everyone!

1236 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:06:51pm

re: #1226 SanFranciscoZionist

What if you were hit by a car?

Awww, Mom!


(Totally love it!)

1237 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:06:52pm

re: #1211 Killgore Trout
Congratulations to Charles for another excellent expose.
(Sorry, I keep forgetting how to format the accent aigu for expose ....deal ) .

1238 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:06:56pm

re: #1213 windsagio

I didn't say that here, and I don't think Nimed did either (altho I might have missed it).

You don't really need anybody else to be around to have this 'labor vs. capital' argument, do you?

If you don't want to discuss it, I understand.

1239 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:06:59pm

re: #1221 reine.de.tout

The Roi's observations on the BP disaster? I did get that one, thanks.
I've been distracted/working 12 hour days for the last month, working on a competitive pitch. Sorry for not responding sooner.

1240 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:07:43pm

re: #1225 Killgore Trout

Don't forget the empty beer bottle beverage..

re: #1227 reine.de.tout

Volume 3.

Fried Agenda, with a side of photo-shop sauce.

1241 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:07:57pm

re: #1189 Bagua

Approve of and make light of are very different things. Please maintain stable goal posts. Coming from a person who fiercely denounces things he disapproves of, making light of Thomas's outrageous statement is quite a statement itself.

I mentioned approval (endorsement) in my 1082 response to Walter and cliffster, which are the one you responded to. Here are the original goalposts for you:

re: re: #1063 cliffster

this comes across as a tacit apology for her statements, if not a tacit approval.

1069/8429104">#1069 Walter L. Newton

Tacit my ass... it's approval... period.

Approval, Bagua.


Also, if that "senile Southern geezer" was a reporter of the status and standing the Thomas had, then I highly doubt she would get a, nothing to see here, pass from you.

There you go again. She doesn't get a pass from me, Bagua. You just can't resist making this type of inference. See my comment 1001.

Also, the issue is not approval. Let's stay focused, it is making light of, dismissing as unimportant. Just as he has, coincidentally, dismissed the LGF exposure of the Reuters Fautography as no big deal. Posting videos of a cat burping and farting twice to show his opinion on the topic.

I haven't seen any of that, but that's not staying focused at all. Darthstar was accused of approval of Thomas' statements. Who's moving the goalposts?

1242 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:08:03pm

re: #1211 Killgore Trout

So far today on LGF...
Page Views: 240,090
Comments: 2,465
Visits from Reuters: 110

/not bad

Heh, wait until the story spreads.

Another major accomplishment for LGF.

1243 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:08:28pm

re: #1238 Boogberg

I just think you've managed to sketch out both sides of the argument you want to have without needing input from anybody else. That being said, far be it from me to tell you you can't carry on!


Just don't expect somebody to conveniently slip into the 'opposing' position you've set out to combat.

1244 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:08:47pm

re: #1237 tradewind

Thanks. Aigu not necessary. It's kinda fun to create an international incident.

1245 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:08:51pm

re: #1228 Killgore Trout

Lets hope we get there!

Walter and Hoops have volunteered to try to get the pdf of the cookbook into an HTML format so I can put it on Kindle.

We may be able to lower the price, but still get the same (or bigger!) "profits" from each sale.

If there are enough Kindle owners to buy it, that is.

YO, folks!
Volume 2 for sale here! And Volume 1 as well! Both are great, feature Jaunte's Art, Volume 2 has the extra added attractions of Killgore's Very Own Gardening Section and Cato's Poem Featuring Favorite Lizards.

Priced really good.
Will be collector's items.
No snuggies, though, sorry.

1246 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:09:06pm

re: #1230 Cato the Elder

Just met My Moonbat Brother™ taking out the trash.

He told me the following, in no uncertain terms.

A. Helen Thomas was right.
B. Israel created Hamas by alchemical oppression.
C. The image of a crazed Jewish terrorist holding a knife while a bloodied Palestinian Authority policeman lies cringing on the ground is known as "Tuesday" in the real world.
D. Israel's defeat of six invading eliminationist Arab armies in 1948 was not a miracle, nor yet a stunning surprise, because "the Jews" have always been big strong bullies over there.
E. Peace activists should not be mocked.
[...]
Z. Obama should grow a pair and stop kowtowing to Israel.

This is what I get for mentioning Israel in his presence.

Alouette, this is a lonely guy. Any chance Your Moonbat Sister™ is looking to get married? He's really nice and smart other than his IDS, and maybe they could be happy together.

Jeez. How did your brother get to be that nuts?

1247 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:09:09pm

re: #1241 Nimed

"Not condemning harshly enough" == "approval"

Where have you been?

1248 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:09:10pm

re: #1240 Rightwingconspirator

Nice addition.

1249 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:09:14pm

Outta here

1250 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:09:21pm

re: #1231 b_sharp

Who blamed the Bush administration for the weather? I thought they were condemned for an incompetent response by FEMA.

And for not taking over Louisiana and New Orleans.

1251 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:09:45pm

re: #1240 Rightwingconspirator

Don't forget the empty beer bottle beverage..

re: #1227 reine.de.tout

Fried Agenda, with a side of photo-shop sauce.


Photoshop sauce? great idea we will be rich!

1252 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:09:46pm

re: #1245 reine.de.tout

Walter and Hoops have volunteered to try to get the pdf of the cookbook into an HTML format so I can put it on Kindle.

We may be able to lower the price, but still get the same (or bigger!) "profits" from each sale.

If there are enough Kindle owners to buy it, that is.

YO, folks!
Volume 2 for sale here! And Volume 1 as well! Both are great, feature Jaunte's Art, Volume 2 has the extra added attractions of Killgore's Very Own Gardening Section and Cato's Poem Featuring Favorite Lizards.

Priced really good.
Will be collector's items.
No snuggies, though, sorry.

Nice!

1253 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:10:37pm

re: #1231 b_sharp

Who blamed the Bush administration for the weather? I thought they were condemned for an incompetent response by FEMA.

The weather did suck. Hurricane and all.

1254 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:10:55pm

re: #1239 jaunte

The Roi's observations on the BP disaster? I did get that one, thanks.
I've been distracted/working 12 hour days for the last month, working on a competitive pitch. Sorry for not responding sooner.

OK, no sorry.
I sent one asking if you could get the pdf of the cookbook sent to Hoops and Walter (I included their emails). I can't send it, it's too big for my server to send out apparently. And I don't know how to zip it.

1255 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:10:59pm

Krauthammer: Those troublesome Jews

1256 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:11:00pm

re: #1253 Bagua

hah!

:D:D

1257 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:11:10pm

Buy the fucking LGF cookbook or I'll find cropped pictures of you!

1258 soap_man  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:11:18pm

re: #1245 reine.de.tout

Walter and Hoops have volunteered to try to get the pdf of the cookbook into an HTML format so I can put it on Kindle.

We may be able to lower the price, but still get the same (or bigger!) "profits" from each sale.

If there are enough Kindle owners to buy it, that is.

YO, folks!
Volume 2 for sale here! And Volume 1 as well! Both are great, feature Jaunte's Art, Volume 2 has the extra added attractions of Killgore's Very Own Gardening Section and Cato's Poem Featuring Favorite Lizards.

Priced really good.
Will be collector's items.
No snuggies, though, sorry.

I'm going to pick up a copy when I get my next paycheck. I need some new recipes.

1259 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:11:26pm

re: #1205 tradewind

Oh, it's big news that POTUS has manned up and finally gotten in touch with his inner BP rage./ He said ' ass ' , whoopsy!/

Oh, dear.

1260 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:11:27pm

re: #1245 reine.de.tout

Priced really good.
Will be collector's items.
No snuggies, though, sorry.


I volunteer to draw a portrait of the highest-volume purchaser, as a lizard wearing a snuggie. So now you get that, too.

1261 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:11:50pm

re: #1231 b_sharp

Who blamed the Bush administration for the weather? I thought they were condemned for an incompetent response by FEMA.

Moonbats blamed Bush for everything. Still do.

1262 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:11:51pm

re: #1259 MandyManners

People seem mostly thrilled that he said it tho :D

1263 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:11:51pm

re: #1258 soap_man

I'm going to pick up a copy when I get my next paycheck. I need some new recipes.

Nice.

1264 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:12:04pm

re: #1245 reine.de.tout

Walter and Hoops have volunteered to try to get the pdf of the cookbook into an HTML format so I can put it on Kindle.

We may be able to lower the price, but still get the same (or bigger!) "profits" from each sale.

If there are enough Kindle owners to buy it, that is.

YO, folks!
Volume 2 for sale here! And Volume 1 as well! Both are great, feature Jaunte's Art, Volume 2 has the extra added attractions of Killgore's Very Own Gardening Section and Cato's Poem Featuring Favorite Lizards.

Priced really good.
Will be collector's items.
No snuggies, though, sorry.

Any possibility of just buying the PDF?

1265 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:12:12pm

re: #1254 reine.de.tout

Oh, ok, I'll figure it out.

1266 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:12:38pm

re: #1261 Cato the Elder

One of the nicer things here is that, except for occasional outbreaks we keep 'talkaboutBushitis' to a minimum :D

Its nice.

1267 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:13:09pm

re: #1230 Cato the Elder

Just met My Moonbat Brother™ taking out the trash.

He told me the following, in no uncertain terms.

A. Helen Thomas was right.
B. Israel created Hamas by alchemical oppression.
C. The image of a crazed Jewish terrorist holding a knife while a bloodied Palestinian Authority policeman lies cringing on the ground is known as "Tuesday" in the real world.
D. Israel's defeat of six invading eliminationist Arab armies in 1948 was not a miracle, nor yet a stunning surprise, because "the Jews" have always been big strong bullies over there.
E. Peace activists should not be mocked.
[...]
Z. Obama should grow a pair and stop kowtowing to Israel.

This is what I get for mentioning Israel in his presence.

Alouette, this is a lonely guy. Any chance Your Moonbat Sister™ is looking to get married? He's really nice and smart other than his IDS, and maybe they could be happy together.

Hmm, she just got divorced. Her ex was a real douche, so I don't think she's interested in another guy at this point in time.

1268 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:13:48pm

re: #1241 Nimed

I'm not moving the goal post, I'm adding wicketts, that's allowed you know.

Also, I see now you were talking about what Walter said and I was talking about what I said. That explains the confusion.

1269 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:13:50pm

re: #1246 Dark_Falcon

Jeez. How did your brother get to be that nuts?

Bad parenting? He's very tied to my father's opinion on things. And my father, bless his wrinkly old ass, stopped listening to NPR about ten years ago because he thinks they're too conservative.

1270 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:13:51pm

re: #1258 soap_man

I'm going to pick up a copy when I get my next paycheck. I need some new recipes.

Great!
I think you'll enjoy it!

1271 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:14:12pm

re: #1253 Bagua

The weather did suck. Hurricane and all.

but that was in the testing stage... we worked the bugs out in Haiti...
now let that little prick in Iran jump skippy...

1272 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:14:24pm

re: #1260 jaunte

I volunteer to draw a portrait of the highest-volume purchaser, as a lizard wearing a snuggie. So now you get that, too.

Wow!

OK, folks!

This is an offer that cannot be refused!

1273 soap_man  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:14:36pm

re: #1263 Killgore Trout

Nice.

I'm trying to bone up on my cooking skills. I'm okay now, but I can use some improvement.

1274 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:15:23pm

re: #1247 windsagio

"Not condemning harshly enough" == "approval"

Where have you been?

I've been busy reminiscing about a comment thread where someone wrote 30 comments or so saying that first that Glenn Beck wasn't really endorsing The Red Network in spite of clear evidence, and then switching arguments repeatedly and making all sorts of absurd comparisons before finally being accused of bad faith (though not of endorsing Elizabeth Dilling's anti-semitic positions, curiously enough).

1275 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:15:25pm

re: #1264 Dark_Falcon

Any possibility of just buying the PDF?

DF - e-mail me, it's in my profile.

1276 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:15:25pm

re: #1271 brookly red

but that was in the testing stage... we worked the bugs out in Haiti...
now let that little prick in Iran jump skippy...

It's a developing science for sure.

1277 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:15:50pm

re: #1267 Alouette

Hmm, she just got divorced. Her ex was a real douche, so I don't think she's interested in another guy at this point in time.

Too bad. Aside from his IDS, which sounds like it would be no impediment to her, he's a catch.

I love my brother. He's my brother. But he's swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker.

1278 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:15:59pm

re: #897 EdDantes

The first pizza I ever had was Shakey's (RIP) Louisiana shrimp. I have been making shrimp pizza since 1971 and will continue to do so.

RIP?

I went to our local Shakey's Pizza last week.

1279 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:16:38pm

re: #1068 jaunte

Maybe my niece can get an iPad with her take.

It may be a mistake to give it to the individual members, although many do need it. That was done on some bands here and the money only supplied short term relief. The bands that kept the money and invested it in businesses on newly purchased land have experienced long term improvements.

Mind you, the bands up here got quite a bit more money.

1280 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:17:55pm

re: #1279 b_sharp

Where are you? My niece is from South Dakota.

1281 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:18:27pm

re: #1274 Nimed

I've been busy reminiscing about a comment thread where someone wrote 30 comments or so saying that first that Glenn Beck wasn't really endorsing The Red Network in spite of clear evidence, and then switching arguments repeatedly and making all sorts of absurd comparisons before finally being accused of bad faith (though not of endorsing Elizabeth Dilling's anti-semitic positions, curiously enough).

I don't think Buck endorses Dilling's positions at all. He just didn't want the book to reflect badly on Beck.

1282 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:18:32pm

re: #1260 jaunte

I volunteer to draw a portrait of the highest-volume purchaser, as a lizard wearing a snuggie. So now you get that, too.

When I went to visit my parents, my mother took me out to lunch with her 90-year-old girlfriends. All they talked about was their snuggies and how much they enjoyed wearing them and "saving money" by turning off the heat.

My mom even asked me if I had one and if not, what color did I like so she could buy me one.

1283 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:19:06pm

re: #1268 Bagua

I'm not moving the goal post, I'm adding wicketts, that's allowed you know.

Also, I see now you were talking about what Walter said and I was talking about what I said. That explains the confusion.

Alright. But please, dude, it's really important to make an effort not to assume the worst of people whose opinions you don't share.

(though I recognize I'm often guilty of it myself) :)

1284 soap_man  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:19:31pm

OT: Listening to the O Brother, Where Art Thou soundtrack.

Best.
Movie.
Soundtrack.
Ever.

1285 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:19:37pm

re: #1282 Alouette

When I went to visit my parents, my mother took me out to lunch with her 90-year-old girlfriends. All they talked about was their snuggies and how much they enjoyed wearing them and "saving money" by turning off the heat.

My mom even asked me if I had one and if not, what color did I like so she could buy me one.

You know, if they give people enjoyment, there have been much worse fads.

1286 windsagio  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:19:37pm

re: #1281 SanFranciscoZionist

Buck is all about saving his side, not about content at all.


Also, off to prep for work! Laters!

1287 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:19:56pm

re: #1231 b_sharp
You did't know about the super sekrit cloud seeding that was designed to move the hurricanes away from Brother Jeb's shores and towards the people of LA, who after all, had elected democrats again and so asked for it./
And then there was the dynamiting of the levees./
You think you've seen troofer theories of planted explosives in the twin towers? Nothing compared to the conspiracies that poked holes in just the right levees.

1288 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:20:05pm

re: #1282 Alouette

My wife and I used to joke about her grandparents sitting in their "hot room" keeping warm and watching tv. Now we're in our own, watching the internet.

1289 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:20:21pm

re: #1282 Alouette

When I went to visit my parents, my mother took me out to lunch with her 90-year-old girlfriends. All they talked about was their snuggies and how much they enjoyed wearing them and "saving money" by turning off the heat.

My mom even asked me if I had one and if not, what color did I like so she could buy me one.

Well, you can save even more money and make your own. using whatever wild colors or prints you like.

1290 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:20:31pm

May I point out a couple buttons on the front page to those who approve of the invaluable job LGF does in exposing anti-Israel propaganda?

Image: capturenvz.jpg

It is only $10 a month to subscribe and show your support, and donations can be in any amount.

Hint, hint.

1291 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:20:52pm

re: #1276 Bagua

It's a developing science for sure.

I see great promise in the tornado cannon... we could deploy them now if O was not such a wimp with his preciouses drones.

1292 tradewind  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:22:40pm

Out like Helen Thomas./
Okay, maybe not....
but out.

1293 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:23:07pm

re: #1285 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, if they give people enjoyment, there have been much worse fads.

Whatever. Let people enjoy them if that's what they like. I just think it's a weird topic for a luncheon chitchat, and also to assume that if I don't have one, it's only because I can't find the right color.

1294 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:23:22pm

re: #1278 Mr Pancakes

RIP?

I went to our local Shakey's Pizza last week.

oh I weep for my oppressed brothers eating chain pizza... some day you will be free.

1295 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:23:27pm

Jew York

Youtube Video
1296 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:23:32pm

re: #1281 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think Buck endorses Dilling's positions at all. He just didn't want the book to reflect badly on Beck.

Thank you. My point exactly -- it would be unfair to have accused him (her? you never know in LFG) of endorsing Dilling's positions when Buck was defending her book as a good source for documenting a period of American political history.

1297 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:23:34pm

re: #1291 brookly red

I see great promise in the tornado cannon... we could deploy them now if O was not such a wimp with his preciouses drones.

Well, we can see the need for a gun that can shoot the same pressure as a four mile high column of mud. That should be next on the miracle list.

1298 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:23:52pm

re: #1260 jaunte

Hmmm how many would that take? My third is tomorrow off to the BP CEO. With a special one page addendum :) A fourth for Fathers day...

1299 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:24:13pm

re: #1243 windsagio

I just think you've managed to sketch out both sides of the argument you want to have without needing input from anybody else. That being said, far be it from me to tell you you can't carry on!

Just don't expect somebody to conveniently slip into the 'opposing' position you've set out to combat.

I think you're reading way too much into this. I'm a blue collar worker (see how easy that is?) No posturing here. I'm getting the feeling that "They're high on the ladder! Let' get 'em!" these days.

1300 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:24:58pm

re: #1296 Nimed

Thank you. My point exactly -- it would be unfair to have accused him (her? you never know in LFG) of endorsing Dilling's positions when Buck was defending her book as a good source for documenting a period of American political history.

Yet Buck got jumped all over didn't he?

1301 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:26:08pm

re: #1294 brookly red

oh I weep for my oppressed brothers eating chain pizza... some day you will be free.

We had a coupon from the school........ my daughter won an award which included free pizza.

Couldn't pass that up.

1302 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:26:12pm

re: #1298 Rightwingconspirator
I think Reine is in charge of the Lulu print account; maybe she can tell.

1303 Izzyboy  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:26:18pm

re: #1284 soap_man

Youtube Video
1304 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:26:42pm

re: #1149 prairiefire

Math makes my skin crawl. I've had anxiety dreams about passing a crucial math class before I could receive my degree for years.

I had to take Calculus II three times.

1305 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:27:48pm

re: #1299 Boogberg

I think you're reading way too much into this. I'm a blue collar worker (see how easy that is?) No posturing here. I'm getting the feeling that "They're high on the ladder! Let' get 'em!" these days.

Wall Street is the new demon. Next on the hit list.

1306 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:28:19pm

re: #1293 Alouette

Whatever. Let people enjoy them if that's what they like. I just think it's a weird topic for a luncheon chitchat, and also to assume that if I don't have one, it's only because I can't find the right color.

What can I say, it's a crap economy. Saving money on heat while looking like a monk is in with the IN crowd.

1307 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:28:31pm

re: #1204 windsagio

Yeah, Windsagion. Let me bask in the antii-Israelin posts you have made.

1308 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:28:36pm

re: #1299 Boogberg

I think you're reading way too much into this. I'm a blue collar worker (see how easy that is?) No posturing here. I'm getting the feeling that "They're high on the ladder! Let' get 'em!" these days.

With great power and profit, comes great responsibility and liability.

1309 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:29:36pm

re: #1306 goddamnedfrank

What can I say, it's a crap economy. Saving money on heat while looking like a monk is in with the IN crowd.

Celebrities can also turn their AC on high in order to wear their designer snuggies.

1310 soap_man  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:31:04pm

re: #1303 Izzyboy

[Video]

The soundtrack got lots of love, but the movie itself is very underrated.

1311 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:31:46pm

re: #1295 Racer X

you probably don't really know how funny that was... but shit maybe you do.

1312 Izzyboy  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:33:21pm

re: #1310 soap_man

That's a shame, it's funny and a really topflight movie.

1313 alexknyc  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:33:30pm

re: #1040 marjoriemoon

I agree it won't happen, but it's sick that it doesn't happen. Who's covering his ass?

MSNBC needs Pat to show how insane and racist all the conservatives are.

1314 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:33:50pm

re: #1300 Bagua

Yet Buck got jumped all over didn't he?

After a while, and for being either stupid or blind to Beck's clear endorsement (or defense of Dilling's book as a useful source). He was never accused of approving Dilling's anti-Semitic views.

1315 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:34:16pm

re: #1300 Bagua

Yet Buck got jumped all over didn't he?

Not for endorsing those positions, he didn't.

1316 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:34:19pm

re: #1311 brookly red

you probably don't really know how funny that was... but shit maybe you do.

Yes. I was cracking up.

1317 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:34:38pm

re: #1308 SanFranciscoZionist

With great power and profit, comes great responsibility and liability.

"Corporate society takes care of everything. And all it asks of anyone, all it's ever asked of anyone ever, is not to interfere with management decisions."

1318 Izzyboy  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:34:53pm

re: #1295 Racer X

Haha, that's great.

1319 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:35:11pm

re: #1305 Bagua

Wall Street is the new demon. Next on the hit list.

You can make money on the way down, too. ;)

1320 Racer X  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:36:29pm

re: #1318 Izzyboy

Haha, that's great.

A Jewish friend of mine forwarded that. She is from New York.

1321 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:36:36pm

re: #1298 Rightwingconspirator

Hmmm how many would that take? My third is tomorrow off to the BP CEO. With a special one page addendum :) A fourth for Fathers day...


Hey, RWC. Hang on a second, let me check the account. I think the most bought by any one person has been 2.

But I don't know who they are; I only see the numbers. But I can get you that number, just a second.

1322 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:37:38pm

re: #1280 jaunte

Where are you? My niece is from South Dakota.

Straight north north-west over the Canadian border. I've been married to a Cree/Ojibwa woman for 33 years and I work at about 15 bands here in SK.

1323 soap_man  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:39:15pm

Speaking of good music:

Youtube Video
1324 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:39:54pm

re: #1269 Cato the Elder

Bad parenting? He's very tied to my father's opinion on things. And my father, bless his wrinkly old ass, stopped listening to NPR about ten years ago because he thinks they're too conservative.

Yikes. Your brother kind reminds me of myself. I'm a sane conservative mostly because my father is sane and conservative. Without his influence I'd likely have become either a moonbat or a wingnut. So I understand how influential parents can be.

1325 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:40:12pm

re: #1308 SanFranciscoZionist

With great power and profit, comes great responsibility and liability.

what? are you spidermans lawyer or something?

1326 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:40:40pm

re: #1322 b_sharp

I went to an awesome summer camp when I was a kid run by the Ojibwa. Assuming the Ojibwa and the Chippewa are just different pronunciations, that is.

It was really cool. It wasn't at all hokey, it was all practical woodcraft.

1327 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:41:28pm

re: #1315 Obdicut

Not for endorsing those positions, he didn't.

No, not for endorsing those positions, more for covering for Beck.

1328 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:41:47pm

re: #1298 Rightwingconspirator

Hmmm how many would that take? My third is tomorrow off to the BP CEO. With a special one page addendum :) A fourth for Fathers day...

OK, somebody bought 4 copies in early May.
Again, though, I don't know who it is, I only see how many sold at one time, not the names of the buyers.

1329 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:42:57pm

re: #1328 reine.de.tout

Ok, so it's still a self-portrait in the snuggie.

1330 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:43:15pm

re: #1326 Obdicut

I went to an awesome summer camp when I was a kid run by the Ojibwa. Assuming the Ojibwa and the Chippewa are just different pronunciations, that is.

It was really cool. It wasn't at all hokey, it was all practical woodcraft.

Did you get to sit in a sweat lodge and burn sweet grass?

1331 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:43:43pm

re: #1308 SanFranciscoZionist

With great power and profit, comes great responsibility and liability.

Sadly, the current state of affairs suggests that with great (lobbying) power comes modest liability.

1332 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:43:50pm

re: #1329 jaunte

Ok, so it's still a self-portrait in the snuggie.

We'll get 'em to own up.

1333 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:44:18pm

I'm outta here.

1334 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:44:40pm

re: #1308 SanFranciscoZionist

With great power and profit, comes great responsibility and liability.

If you don't feed your workers and your animals before you eat your own meal, you are Chillul HaShem.

1335 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:45:13pm

re: #1332 reine.de.tout

Maybe the next one should include a treasure map and clues to finding the Gold of Beck.

1336 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:46:47pm

re: #1295 Racer X

Jew York

Dude. Are they drinkin' Mani's on the stoop?

First time I ever got drunk was with a Jewish friend on Staten Island. Manischewitz seder wine nicked from his parents.

Never. Again.

1337 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:46:50pm

re: #1334 Cato the Elder

If you don't feed your workers and your animals before you eat your own meal, you are Chillul HaShem.

Yes, but you do need to eat and drink before you nurse the baby, in order to produce better milk.

(Of course, you should be able to plan this.)

1338 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:47:00pm

re: #1314 Nimed

After a while, and for being either stupid or blind to Beck's clear endorsement (or defense of Dilling's book as a useful source). He was never accused of approving Dilling's anti-Semitic views.

True. Nasty character that Dilling from what I read.

1339 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:47:48pm

re: #1330 b_sharp

Did you get to sit in a sweat lodge and burn sweet grass?

Yes, we built our own sweat lodge over the summer and used it towards the end. They were sure to tell us that the ceremony we did there was the 'guest' version of the ceremony, not the one for tribe members, but it was still great. The whole thing was really neat. And they did some awesome plays where they used these fantastic costumes, like, not like a bear costume but with grass all woven in a shape that was scarier, in the half-dark, than a bear costume would have been.

I can't remember the name of it. It wasn't the Camp Ojibwa, that wasn't actually started by the Ojibwa. They were great people and very tolerantly disabused me of my misconceptions about Native Americans.

1340 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:47:49pm

I think they should make a series out of the "National Treasure" movies. Who's with me?

1341 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:47:52pm

re: #1335 jaunte

Maybe the next one should include a treasure map and clues to finding the Gold of Beck.

hahaha!
Love it.

1342 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:49:12pm

How much do you want to bet I just grossed out Cato?

1343 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:50:12pm

re: #1342 EmmmieG

How much do you want to bet I just grossed out Cato?

OOOOOh!
what did you do? I would expect it would take a lot to gross out Cato.


I'll have to check in the a.m., though, I need some sleeps now.
g'night everyone, have a good rest of the evening!

1344 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:51:11pm

re: #1343 reine.de.tout

Nighty!

1345 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:52:05pm

re: #1343 reine.de.tout

OOOh!
what did you do? I would expect it would take a lot to gross out Cato.

I'll have to check in the a.m., though, I need some sleeps now.
g'night everyone, have a good rest of the evening!

Sleep well, Reine.

1346 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:52:21pm

re: #1338 Bagua

True. Nasty character that Dilling from what I read.

Yeah, right? Gus dug up some really loony and horrifying crap, such as her Treatise on Necrophilia.

1347 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:52:27pm

re: #1342 EmmmieG

How much do you want to bet I just grossed out Cato?

What the...?

Image of nursing mother = way cool in my book.

1348 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:53:05pm

Hey, just noticed what someone posted earlier.

LGF has appeared in Maariv, Israel's second largest tabloid and third largest in readership!

And a link back to LGF

1349 soap_man  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:54:13pm

re: #1348 Bagua

Hey, just noticed what someone posted earlier.

LGF has appeared in Maariv, Israel's second largest tabloid and third largest in readership!

And a link back to LGF

I can't read any of that! ;)

1350 brookly red  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:54:37pm

I gotta go pay attention to someone... latter y'all.

1351 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:54:41pm

re: #1349 soap_man

I can't read any of that! ;)

I could. The part that said "Little Green Footballs."

1352 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:55:08pm

re: #1346 Nimed

Yeah, right? Gus dug up some really loony and horrifying crap, such as her Treatise on Necrophilia.

I know. Vile stuff. Gus is a great researcher.

1353 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:57:13pm

God is great and Go is good

1354 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:57:29pm

re: #1349 soap_man

I can't read any of that! ;)

Heh, I was just going to say what EmmmieG said.

In this case the pictures speak for themselves.

1355 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:58:01pm

re: #1353 MandyManners

God is great and Go is good

Who is this "Go" of whom you speak paleface?

1356 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:59:46pm

Aw, snot. I'm indexing a census right now. (It's an act of service, because some indexer somewhere indexed the marriage records that gave me the German hometown of an ancestor, so I feel indebted.)

I just finished a page with the best handwriting I have ever seen in a census, and I've seen a lot of censuses.

New batch: Not the worst, but down there. Sigh.

1357 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:01:08pm

I'm going to log off for the night. See you folks tomorrow.

1358 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:02:59pm

re: #1355 Bagua

Who is this "Go" of whom you speak paleface?

I think it's a Japanese board game.

1359 Soap_Man  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:03:18pm

Well, the GF just came home. So I must leave.

Youtube Video
1360 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:04:36pm

The Weight

Youtube Video

Namaste, y'all

1361 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:05:19pm

re: #1358 Cato the Elder

I think it's a Japanese board game.

Ah, yes, Go is a great game.

1362 freetoken  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:05:50pm

re: #1361 Bagua

Ah, yes, Go is a great game.

I used to be ok at it... haven't played it in a while though.

1363 jaunte  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:07:07pm

Go, I must also. Goodnight all.

1364 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:08:12pm

re: #1273 soap_man

I'm trying to bone up on my cooking skills. I'm okay now, but I can use some improvement.

Check out Sunset cook books. Seriously. Their recipes are easy to follow and I can personally attest that by using these books, my cooking skills improved over a short period of time.

And the books are cheap. Amazon carries them.

1365 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:10:15pm

Oh, well, that's cool. I just came across a birthplace of "At sea."

First time I've seen that.

BTW, in case you care about genealogy (you either do or don't, it's born in you.), the indexes are available at familysearch.org.

1366 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:11:20pm

re: #1360 Killgore Trout

The Weight

[Video]Namaste, y'all

Good 'un. :)

1367 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:13:05pm

re: #1293 Alouette

Whatever. Let people enjoy them if that's what they like. I just think it's a weird topic for a luncheon chitchat, and also to assume that if I don't have one, it's only because I can't find the right color.

It is superior to discussions of who has which ailment.

1368 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:14:11pm

re: #1358 Cato the Elder

I think it's a Japanese board game.

And Chinese. There is a long and bitter rivalry.

1369 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:14:44pm

re: #1362 freetoken

I used to be ok at it... haven't played it in a while though.

I find it vastly more difficult than chess.

1370 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:19:21pm

Hmm...

It seems genealogy is a boring, thread killing topic.

I will, say, however, that those idiots who are against modern scientific medicine and immunizations should give the 1910 census a perusal. You see, it's the census where they asked women how many children they had given birth to, and how many were now living.

It's an eye-opener.

At a minimum, half the women had lost at least one child, if not more.

Now I'll shut up about genealogy for good.

1371 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:19:47pm

When my goofy-assed nephew stomped my ass on the chessboard, I knew it was time to chill. :D

1372 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:22:07pm

Seriously now. Has Charles been kidnapped by Reuters?

1373 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:24:36pm

re: #1369 LudwigVanQuixote

I find it vastly more difficult than chess.

You aren't the only one.

1374 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:32:33pm

re: #1372 Cato the Elder

Seriously now. Has Charles been kidnapped by Reuters?

"Truth" Activists?

1375 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:33:50pm

re: #1370 EmmmieG

Hmm...

It seems genealogy is a boring, thread killing topic.
...

I've run out of steam...

1376 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:37:56pm

re: #1370 EmmmieG

Hmm...

It seems genealogy is a boring, thread killing topic.

I think it's fascinating, but I can never remember the difference between a first cousin once removed and a second cousin. Saw something that explained it nicely on the web once, and it went in one eye and out the other, much like math.

Hobbits enjoy it, though, and that's good enough for me.

1377 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:39:26pm

re: #1376 Cato the Elder

Damn Sackville Bagginses...

1378 Gus  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:42:02pm

Boom!

1379 american_peanuts  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:45:57pm

Bernard-Henri Lévy is a French philosopher who had his own share in actively protesting for the poor people in the less fortunate part of the world.
This man could definitely say is not a blind supporter of Israel and didn't spare his backlash at the recent raid on floatZille(TM...), wrote his very sharp, interesting perspective calling the world to stop demonizing Israel.

Please take 5 to read through and forward on.

"It’s time to stop demonizing Israel
The flood of hypocrisy and bad faith that seems to have just been waiting across the media worldwide for the Mavi Marmara is by no means acceptable."
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

1380 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:46:48pm

re: #1372 Cato the Elder

Seriously now. Has Charles been kidnapped by Reuters?

Just had a crazy day, lots going on. I'm back now.

1381 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:48:11pm

How pathetic is it that Allahpundit covers the Reuters story without even mentioning LGF?

What a giant flaming asshole.

1382 Gus  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:49:24pm

re: #1381 Charles

How pathetic is it that Allahpundit covers the Reuters story without even mentioning LGF?

What a giant flaming asshole.

Further proof that he's a coward and a tool.

1383 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:49:49pm

If you needed any more evidence that the right wing blogosphere has become a pitiful bunch of partisan, unprofessional shills grinding personal axes instead of pursuing facts, you couldn't ask for a better example.

1384 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:54:55pm

The full, unedited Helen Thomas interview has now been posted.

No big surprises. The beginning and end were edited out in the original. Nothing was edited out in the previously published version.

The truly shocking thing is that she's so unfailingly cordial about it, as though what she's saying is, well, you know, just totally normal.

One part I missed in the original (it's not new, I just didn't really hear it before) is this:

"Remember, these people are occupied. And it's their land. It's not German[y] and it's not Poland."

And after saying they should go back to Germany, Poland "and everywhere else", she adds (this is new): "Why push people out of their...who have lived there for centuries? See?"

As if the Jews haven't been there for millennia!

When asked if she's familiar with the history of the region, she says, "Very much. I'm of Arab background." Not Lebanese, Arab.

Didn't know that was a country. Oh, wait, I forgot about the Ummah, Islam's version of "Christendom"!

Watch the whole thing. As much as I detest her obvious bias (which has been on display for years, and which people have covered for), I find the whole thing unaccountably sad.

1385 american_peanuts  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:55:40pm

re: #1383 Charles

Haaretz mentioned LGF and your name. In Hebrew.
[Link: www.haaretz.co.il...]

1386 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:04:01pm

Am I imagining things, or did LGF break a story about Reuters cropping photographs yesterday? Didn't Killgore Trout find the first photo and tip me off? Wasn't LGF the first to publish this? And haven't we been credited by both Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post?

What? We did?

Then can someone explain how you can have the colossal fucking gall to write about this story and give all the credit to other people? What kind of value system makes Allahpundit think that's a moral way to behave?

This is probably the single most rotten thing these creeps have done yet, in a long list. It's vindictive, immoral, and unprofessional. And yes, I'm pissed off. This is theft of intellectual property.

1387 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:05:16pm

re: #1386 Charles

Weekly Standard credited you.

re: #1003 JasonA

Well, the story made the Weekly Standard.
Reuters Caught Cropping Flotilla Photos

1388 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:05:48pm

re: #1383 Charles

If you needed any more evidence that the right wing blogosphere has become a pitiful bunch of partisan, unprofessional shills grinding personal axes instead of pursuing facts, you couldn't ask for a better example.

It's disgusting, they should be ashamed of themselves. They all rant about how terrible the media is and how they are going to reform it, but when it's their turn they are just as petty, biased, obsessed with personality and shallow. Such a disappointment.

1389 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:08:56pm

re: #1387 JasonA

I'm related by my brother's marriage to one of the editors of the Weekly Standard, to my shame.

But I'm glad they gave Charles credit.

1390 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:09:33pm

re: #1386 Charles

Am I imagining things, or did LGF break a story about Reuters cropping photographs yesterday? Didn't Killgore Trout find the first photo and tip me off? Wasn't LGF the first to publish this? And haven't we been credited by both Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post?

...

And also Maariv the third largest Israeli daily news paper, second largest tabloid format.

Maariv credited Little Green Footballs in English.

1391 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:10:19pm
1392 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:10:23pm

re: #1389 Obdicut

I'm related by my brother's marriage to one of the editors of the Weekly Standard, to my shame.

But I'm glad they gave Charles credit.

Heh. I once knew an editor for the National Review. Not a bad guy, all things considered.

1393 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:11:23pm

Damn. Charles, please delete #1391. It was meant as a reply to Obdicut. I shall repost.

1394 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:11:52pm

re: #1389 Obdicut

I'm related by my brother's marriage to one of the editors of the Weekly Standard, to my shame.

But I'm glad they gave Charles credit.

Shame?

That article, at least, told the unvarnished truth.

I think I may subscribe.

1395 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:13:03pm

Reuters Caught Cropping Weapons from Flotilla Photos

Here's a FoxNation article giving credit. Is that like CNN's iReport, where anyone can put something up?

1396 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:14:14pm

re: #1391 Cato the Elder

Bill Kristol, the man who's been wrong about everything, was the founder.

They're completely, openly, and utterly biased. It loses millions every year. A Murdoch paper. Their purpose is just to attack anything Murdoch doesn't like.

But it's nice to see they're not without journalistic honor.

1397 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:15:20pm

re: #1384 Cato the Elder

No big surprises. The beginning and end were edited out in the original. Nothing was edited out in the previously published version.

How confusingly I wrote that.

What I meant was "nothing was edited out within the bounds of the previously published version".

I posted somewhat more fully about this in an LGF Page. Comments welcome.

1398 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:16:11pm

re: #1392 JasonA

Heh. I once knew an editor for the National Review. Not a bad guy, all things considered.

She-- my brother's wife-- is a lovely person, so her mom-- the editor at the Standard-- must have done something right.

But Kristol is a creep.

1399 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:19:36pm

I just posted this at TrueSlant in a comment:

Now that Reuters has admitted they made a mistake cropping the pictures, I wonder if any of you who’ve been spinning like crazy trying to make excuses and say there was nothing wrong, the cropping was perfectly normal, everybody does it, will now apologize for being such clueless pigheaded buffoons?

Doubtful.

1400 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:20:09pm

re: #1396 Obdicut

Bill Kristol, the man who's been wrong about everything, was the founder.

They're completely, openly, and utterly biased. It loses millions every year. A Murdoch paper. Their purpose is just to attack anything Murdoch doesn't like.

But it's nice to see they're not without journalistic honor.

Well, I'm no Murdoch or Kristol fan. But it's a far cry from being a Murdoch to being an Allahpundit (who should really change his moniker to Bullshitpulpit). Murdoch has Standards.

1401 Gus  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:22:25pm

re: #1395 JasonA

Reuters Caught Cropping Weapons from Flotilla Photos

Here's a FoxNation article giving credit. Is that like CNN's iReport, where anyone can put something up?

Good catch.

1402 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:23:01pm

re: #1400 Cato the Elder

Heh.

It is really sad that people can't manage to unscrew their twisted little hearts enough to give Charles credit. I've seen him post before basically, "This dude and I don't see eye to eye but here's a place he's totally right". It's really not that hard, and it adds enormously to his credibility.

Even cynical practicality says they should credit him. The only reason not to is a real stinking grudge.

1403 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:23:57pm

re: #1402 Obdicut

Heh.

It is really sad that people can't manage to unscrew their twisted little hearts enough to give Charles credit. I've seen him post before basically, "This dude and I don't see eye to eye but here's a place he's totally right". It's really not that hard, and it adds enormously to his credibility.

Even cynical practicality says they should credit him. The only reason not to is a real stinking grudge.

PettyPundit.

1404 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:31:27pm

1400 comments? You people are sick! :D

1405 Gus  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:32:16pm

Might get another power outage here.

Had a sub-station explosion.

1406 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:38:17pm

From the Hotair comments:

There used to be a site that was great at exposing these sorts of fauxtographs. It’s name escapes me at the moment….

TheBigOldDog

There still is moron, LGF, and the reason you think this story is not from LGF is because the dishonest Allahpundit linked to a takeoff that credited Snapshots, not LGF. Yet Snapshots credited LGF, but curiously was not linked to. Gee. Funny that, huh?

1407 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:39:16pm

re: #1386 Charles

It's really something. Of course, at least some Hot Air commenters know very well who broke the story and what Allahpundint is doing.

Allah, TY for not linking to Charles.

upinak on June 7, 2010 at 7:48 PM

I love when reporting happens on blogs. Shout out to og LGF.

The Race Card on June 7, 2010 at 10:28 PM

1408 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:39:57pm

And then you have the New York Times Lede, which didn't think the cropping worth mentioning at all...

1409 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:40:25pm

re: #1407 Nimed

It's really something. Of course, at least some Hot Air commenters know very well who broke the story and what Allahpundint is doing.

Their true colours are showing.

1410 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:41:36pm

re: #1409 Bagua

Their true colours are showing.

Heh.

1411 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:42:34pm

re: #1409 Bagua

Their true colours are showing.

:D

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

1412 Nimed  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:44:38pm

If linking Cindy Lauper is a banning offense and this is my last comment, I just want to say this:

I understand.

1413 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:45:18pm

Heh. I forgot one little detail My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) mentioned to me about the Israeli-Turkish boat scenario:

"It was piracy on the high seas."

Yep. That meme is at the top o' the pops for idiot leftists the world over, and my brother buys it.

1414 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:45:48pm

re: #1412 Nimed

If linking Cindy Lauper is a banning offense and this is my last comment, I just want to say this:

I understand.

You're just lucky I'm not in charge. Banning would be the least of your worries...

1415 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:46:20pm

re: #1413 Cato the Elder

Heh. I forgot one little detail My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) mentioned to me about the Israeli-Turkish boat scenario:

"It was piracy on the high seas."

Yep. That meme is at the top o' the pops for idiot leftists the world over, and my brother buys it.

Say it ain't so!

1416 Bagua  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:50:03pm

re: #1412 Nimed

If linking Cindy Lauper is a banning offense and this is my last comment, I just want to say this:

I understand.

You are really pushing the envelope there with Cindy Lauper.

1417 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 7, 2010 11:56:08pm

re: #1416 Bagua

You are really pushing the envelope there with Cindy Lauper.

If he ever posts Celine Dion it's him or me, dammit!

/

1418 ryannon  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 12:06:01am

re: #1412 Nimed

If linking Cindy Lauper is a banning offense and this is my last comment, I just want to say this:

I understand.

No, you don't.

1419 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 12:06:48am

re: #1418 ryannon

No, you don't.

Whatever that is it's blocked in the US.

1420 ryannon  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 12:07:46am

re: #1419 JasonA

Whatever that is it's blocked in the US.

What a shame. It was ''Girls Just Want To Have Fun".

I think Cindy Lauper is great.

1421 ryannon  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 12:08:36am

Want more?

1422 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 12:09:28am

re: #1421 ryannon

Want more?

I'm good, thanks...

1423 ryannon  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 12:10:14am

re: #1419 JasonA

Whatever that is it's blocked in the US.

I was lying about it being a Cindy Lauper video.

It's Helen Thomas doing a strip-tease. Banned in the U.S. though.

1424 ryannon  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 12:10:44am

Onwards to the next thread....

1425 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 8, 2010 6:43:42am

re: #204 JasonA

Doesn't seem premeditated at first glance.

The first run-over, arguably not premeditated. Done in the heat of the moment. But what about the tenth, twentieth, etc.? Or do we say the husband was dead after the first pass?

The law on "premeditated" does not say that the deed has to have been planned like a wedding. The distinction is one of seconds. If two guys holding wrenches get in an argument and one just up and brains the other, that's heat of the moment, maybe.

If the guy takes another swing once his victim is down, that's premeditated. It only takes a few seconds to cross that line between heat of the moment and "with malice aforethought".


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