World Net Daily’s White Supremacist Sources

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World Net Daily’s source for their latest insane Birther article is James Edwards — an open white supremacist who runs the vile “Political Cesspool” radio show in Tennessee: Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here.

Adams says he’s been telling other people his information for a long time, and he’s free to talk about it publicly since he no longer has any confidentiality restrictions from his former employer, the Honolulu government. People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.

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1 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:47:34pm

Could it be possible that this Nazi scum is lying to us? Of course he is.

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:47:58pm

I haven't looked at WND in forever. Now I know why.

3 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:49:05pm

It is deliciously goofy that a show of that sort would name itself 'political cesspool' tho' >>

4 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:49:27pm

Wow nothing like some crazy to round out a guys night.

5 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:49:44pm

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL!

6 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:53:21pm

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

Could it be possible that this Nazi scum is lying to us? Of course he is.

Look on the bright side: They're wasting their time with an issue that has no growth potential. It's the usual lame nirther crap. Vile but strictly a limited threat.

7 Racer X  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:53:33pm

BP Spills Coffee

Youtube Video

Sorry - I just had to post this again. I laughed so hard I spilled my coffee.

8 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:53:58pm

From James Edwards's blog at the Political Cesspool:

Pro-White Conference 2.0
Category: Ethnopolitics, Free Speech, Whites - The Real Minority

William Sheldon of The Occidental Observer revists the EURO Conference 2008 (that I [James Edwards] co-hosted) and the ill-fated AmRen Conference of 2010...

...William Sheldon is founder and editor of the ourgazetteer.org project. He authored a two-part article in TOO: “Discovering Implicit White Communities.”

9 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:54:25pm

re: #7 Racer X

haha, yeah I saw it earlier. Awesome.

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:54:47pm

I've never seen anything like the tenacity of this stupid story. It's meaningless, it's patently not true, and yet it marches on...and on...and on...

11 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:54:56pm

re: #8 Gus 802

From James Edwards's blog at the Political Cesspool:

yowza...

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:12pm

re: #8 Gus 802

From James Edwards's blog at the Political Cesspool:

Implicit White Communities? How can I tell if I live in one?

13 Semper Fi  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:12pm

re: #3 windsagio

It is deliciously goofy that a show of that sort would name itself 'political cesspool' tho' >>

Thanks. I didn't realize it until your post but, goofy really seems to 'sell' these days. That's what it is, it's all getting goofy.

14 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:25pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Look on the bright side: They're wasting their time with an issue that has no growth potential. It's the usual lame nirther crap. Vile but strictly a limited threat.

I just hope to god they finally give it up in 2017 when obama leaves the White House for good....

15 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:30pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never seen anything like the tenacity of this stupid story. It's meaningless, it's patently not true, and yet it marches on...and on...and on...

Hell hath no fury like a partisan scorned.

16 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:59pm

re: #13 Semper Fi

I wanted to use ironic, but people get annoyed when you use the word incorrectly >>

17 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:56:12pm

He's lying, my aunt's cousin has a brother-in-law whose sister has a friend that lives in Hawaii and she/he (not sure which) says that they saw Obama's birth record.

There you go birthers, positive proof!

/// :p

18 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:56:15pm

re: #8 Gus 802

From James Edwards's blog at the Political Cesspool:

What's an Discovering "Implicit White Community"?

19 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:56:21pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Implicit White Communities? How can I tell if I live in one?

Got me. Quickly I'm assuming he means "you have to know where you belong." Who knows though.

20 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:56:31pm

re: #16 windsagio

I wanted to use ironic, but people get annoyed when you use the word incorrectly >>

Literally?
/

21 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:56:32pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never seen anything like the tenacity of this stupid story. It's meaningless, it's patently not true, and yet it marches on...and on...and on...

///Hey did I ever tell you that Bill Clinton killed a guy? Now watch me prove it with this watermelon....

22 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:56:53pm

re: #18 MandyManners

What's an Discovering "Implicit White Community"?

23 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:57:30pm

re: #22 MandyManners

West Palm Beach.

24 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:01pm

re: #18 MandyManners

I presume it refers to redlining and such.

25 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:04pm

good night good folks

26 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:12pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Implicit White Communities? How can I tell if I live in one?

re: #18 MandyManners

What's an Discovering "Implicit White Community"?

You can read about it here. I haven't really looked.

27 Semper Fi  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:15pm

re: #16 windsagio

I wanted to use ironic, but people get annoyed when you use the word incorrectly >>

I'm glad you didn't as it provides a little clarity for me.

28 Racer X  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:53pm

The One About Hamas

Youtube Video
29 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:59pm

Oh good Lord Almighty. But why am I surprised? The bad crazy. It burns. It seriously burns.

30 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:59:05pm

re: #8 Gus 802

From James Edwards's blog at the Political Cesspool:

Hosted by David Duke in Memphis. I assume Nuremberg was booked up.

31 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:59:08pm

re: #27 Semper Fi

'effing retarded' fills the slot well too, tho'.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:59:11pm

re: #21 jamesfirecat

///Hey did I ever tell you that Bill Clinton killed a guy? Now watch me prove it with this watermelon...

THIS guy? If you look at some of these lists floating around out there, there is apparently no END to the people Bill Clinton killed.

//

33 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:59:46pm

re: #28 Racer X

The One About Hamas


[Video]

That sounds like the title of a BAD Friend's episode....

34 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:59:59pm

re: #8 Gus 802

From James Edwards's blog at the Political Cesspool:

"Occidental Observer" is that some white supremecist blog or something?

I hope a bunch of people Google it wrong and come to this site instead.

Bwahaha! All your Occidents are belong to us.

35 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:00:12pm

I googled it and VDARE popped up. Surprise. Surprise.

36 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:00:24pm

WND= Whirled Nirther Douchy.

37 Racer X  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:00:26pm

The One About Iran

Youtube Video
38 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:01:11pm

The current right wing political machine is absolutely lousy with links to racists and white supremacists.

39 Semper Fi  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:01:25pm

re: #31 windsagio

'effing retarded' fills the slot well too, tho'.

True, but I'd vote for 'goofy' as having the greater overall appeal.

40 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:01:52pm

re: #34 Alouette

"Occidental Observer" is that some white supremecist blog or something?

I hope a bunch of people Google it wrong and come to this site instead.

Bwahaha! All your Occidents are belong to us.

Yeah. Looks like a pseudo-intellectual white supremacist. Never seen this one before. They link to Pat Buchanan.

41 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:02:00pm

re: #38 Charles

Developments in 2008 made 'em feel cornered, so they had to come out from hiding, teeth bared.

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:02:03pm

re: #26 Gus 802

You can read about it here. I haven't really looked.

As God is my witness, I really don't know what the hell he's talking about. But there is a picture of NASCAR fans in it, and I think one of my husband's uncles is the guy up front. He would be the goofy shirtless one with the mustache and the beer in a holder.

43 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:02:18pm

Racism is so 20th Century.

44 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:02:19pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

THIS guy? If you look at some of these lists floating around out there, there is apparently no END to the people Bill Clinton killed.

//

////Bill Clinton does not hunt because the word hunting implies the possibility of failure. Bill Clinton goes killing.

45 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:02:24pm

Out for the night. Hoping for a good sleep. Nighty ya'll.

46 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:02:39pm

re: #43 MandyManners

Man I wish.

Racism is one of the truisms of human society.

47 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:03:00pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

As God is my witness, I really don't know what the hell he's talking about. But there is a picture of NASCAR fans in it, and I think one of my husband's uncles is the guy up front. He would be the goofy shirtless one with the mustache and the beer in a holder.

Seriously? That's his uncle?

48 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:03:03pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Yeah. Looks like a pseudo-intellectual white supremacist. Never seen this one before. They link to Pat Buchanan.

But The Occident is a Jewish magazine from 160 years ago.

49 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:03:12pm

well,, look at it this way

At least Orly will have something to do again now that she's not running for Cali Sec State
/

50 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:03:14pm

re: #45 Cannadian Club Akbar

As Bugs said to the Mad Scientist, Nitey Nite!

51 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:03:27pm

And some background on Tim Adams;

Count Us Out took a cursory look into some of what Tim Adams said about himself in the June 5th Political Cesspool radio interview.

From the number on the website shown below, I was transferred to a cordial and professional Chad Kadota to whom the following questions were posed:

Had he worked there.

When did he work there.

How long did he work there.

What was his title.

What were his job responsibilities?

Did he have access to records that would indicate a person’s citizenship and / or place of birth?

According to Chad Kadota, the Assistant Elections Administrator in the Elections Division of the Office of the City Clerk, Tim Adams had worked at the City Clerks Office in the Elections Division for a short time (although he could not recall whether or not it was during the 2008 election).

In the audio-interview, Tim Adams said that he had a ‘temporary contract’ which explains the short time he worked there.

As far as the job responsibilities, Chad pretty much listed what is shown below from the official website of the City & County of Honolulu: Elections Division. He said that Tim Adams would not have had access to records that would show where someone was born. He said the registration forms do ask about citizenship. I asked if they require the person to differentiate between natural born or naturalized, he said they just require ‘citizenship’.

Although Tim Adams stated his title had been Chief Elections Clerk, Chad Kadota said there is no such position but Tim Adams had worked as an Elections Clerk in the Office of the City Clerk in the Election Division. Chad added that there is a Chief Elections Officer, but, Tim Adams certainly had not been ’that’.

We also contacted the University of Western Kentucky and confirmed that Tim Adams had, until this past Spring, worked as a Graduate Assistant in the English Department and did have teaching assignments.

The following is directly from the City & County of Honolulu: Elections Division: Who We Are

The Office of the City Clerk is an agency of the legislative branch of the City and County of Honolulu. The Elections Division performs voter registration and election responsibilities delegated to the City Clerk under the Revised Charter of the City and County of Honolulu and State law.

Conducting elections involves: registering voters, maintaining the voter registration database on behalf of the four counties and the State of Hawaii, maintaining address data and district data; checking signatures on city candidate/initiative petitions; accepting candidate filings; issuing and mailing absentee ballots; accepting, accounting for, and processing returned ballots; establishing walk in voting locations; The Office of the City Clerk also accepts financial disclosure filings of candidates and City employees and provides clerical support to the Honolulu City Council.

The Elections Division has 5 full-time employees and employs seasonal employees during election years. For major elections like Primary and General elections, the Division will employ as many as 100 seasonal election workers

For election purposes, the City and County of Honolulu is comprised of the entire island of Oahu and the northwest Hawaiian islands. Honolulu is the largest county in Hawaii and has a population of over 900,000 persons. As of June 2008, there are over 450,522 registered voters in the county.

52 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:04:06pm

re: #38 Charles

The current right wing political machine is absolutely lousy with links to racists and white supremacists.

Well yes, but what about...err, uhh...Obama's Katrina!

/

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:04:18pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Seriously? That's his uncle?

Only in a cosmic sense...

54 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:04:38pm

Who's Greg Johnson?

55 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:04:56pm

re: #46 windsagio

Man I wish.

Racism is one of the truisms of human society.

All over the world.

56 Semper Fi  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:05:18pm

Good night lizards. I'll be reading you in the AM. Have a good one.

57 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:05:41pm

re: #56 Semper Fi

Go Celtics!

58 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:05:56pm

re: #54 MandyManners

Who's Greg Johnson?

John Galt's younger brother?

59 Fortitudine  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:06:25pm

I work for a health department. The vital records clerk sits about fifteen feet away from me.

The county elections commission (which has a commissioner, but no clerk; is this guy claiming he was the county clerk?) works for a different department and doesn't have access to any birth records. Why would they?

60 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:06:32pm

re: #43 MandyManners

Racism is so 20th Century.

"Us vs. Them" is built into the human genome. Hopefully, though, we can continue to expand "us" to more and more people.

61 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:06:32pm

Searched the WKU Spring 2010 class schedule, for all English classes:

[Link: www.wku.edu...]


There is no "Tim Adams" listed under instructor. Indeed, there is no "Adams" listed at all.

So, I wonder in which term said "Tim Adams" actually instructed English at WKU?

62 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:07:25pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

What, he's not related to Yan Yahnson from Wisconsin. I love lumberjacks!

63 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:07:32pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whoops, so there is my answer.

Good find.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:07:37pm

re: #59 Fortitudine

I work for a health department. The vital records clerk sits about fifteen feet away from me.

The county elections commission (which has a commissioner, but no clerk; is this guy claiming he was the county clerk?) works for a different department and doesn't have access to any birth records. Why would they?

I have to say, this is the worst-kept secret in the world if some temp can find out about it like this.

65 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:07:39pm

re: #55 MandyManners

I totally agree! Its just substarnially worse in some areas than others :)

66 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:08:56pm

re: #60 cliffster

Amen Cliffster. To many dead enemies through human history borne of animosities not relating to reality.

67 Racer X  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:09:08pm

Hydrogen in M51

68 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:10:12pm

re: #62 Irenicum

What, he's not related to Yan Yahnson from Wisconsin. I love lumberjacks!

Even when they put on suspenders and hang around in bars? :D

69 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:10:19pm

re: #65 windsagio

I totally agree! Its just substarnially worse in some areas than others :)

To my knowledge, America is the only nation that fought a war over slavery.

70 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:10:52pm

re: #69 MandyManners

To my knowledge, America is the only nation that fought a war over slavery.

Spartacus!

71 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:11:20pm

OK, as I suspected. That Occidental Observer is also anti-Semitic. A rather strange collection over there.

72 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:11:22pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

Spartacus!

No, I'm Spartacus!

73 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:11:23pm

re: #69 MandyManners

To my knowledge, America is the only nation that fought a war over slavery.

And the Jews revolted over it and other things as well...

74 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:11:28pm

re: #69 MandyManners

So explicitly, yes.

Just curious, is this going somewhere in particular, or are we just playing badminton?

75 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:11:31pm

So, I was thinking of starting a restaurant on Titan. I hear it would be perfect. It has great atmosphere. And the chemistry is amazing!

76 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:11:37pm

re: #72 jamesfirecat

No, I'm Spartacus!

(war against slavery...)

77 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:12:07pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So according to a guy at the office where this Adams person claims to have worked, he would not have had access to any records that would show where a person was born.

So much for fact-checking, WND, right?

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:12:10pm

re: #69 MandyManners

To my knowledge, America is the only nation that fought a war over slavery.

Dunno about that, but I'm pretty sure we're the only ones who fought to end it, rather than gain control over the trade.

//Which is not to deny England and France their place as early adopters of abolition.

79 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:12:15pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

Wasn't that less about the institution and more about those people not wanting to be slaves themselves? (feeling nitpicky tonight)

80 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:12:21pm

Did some more searching. Tim Adams is not listed under "instructors" even in 2009. Which means he was, as pointed out in the link Kragar found, just a grad assistant, and likely his "instruction" consisted of no more than handing out the graded papers.

Yet WND wants to pass him off as a "college instructor."

What lameness.

81 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:12:35pm

re: #75 Irenicum

So, I was thinking of starting a restaurant on Titan. I hear it would be perfect. It has great atmosphere. And the chemistry is amazing!

badump bump

82 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:12:37pm

The Occidental Observer: Online Anti-Semitism's New Intellectual Voice
Posted: January 22, 2009

An online publication called The Occidental Observer has become a primary voice for anti-Semitism from far-right intellectuals. Founded in October 2007 as a "Webzine," or online magazine, it is one of a number of publishing efforts that have grown out of the Charles Martel Society, a group founded by William Regnery II, a Chicago, Illinois-based heir to the Regnery publishing fortune.

Kevin MacDonald's influence

Ideologically, the magazine is guided by the ideas of Kevin MacDonald, an anti-Semitic professor of evolutionary psychology at California State University, Long Beach, who regularly writes for the publication.

This is evident in the magazine's "mission statement," which speaks repeatedly of "ethnic identity and interests" and asserts that whites, once they become a minority, will "develop a stronger sense of their own identity and interests." A "group editorial" from November 2008 says that Jews could partner with "European-Americans" so long as they "acknowledge the role of the organized Jewish community in the dispossession of European America." Both of these ideas are common tropes in MacDonald's writings, and parrot the type of language he uses.

CONTINUES

83 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:13:06pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

That's a major point point, most other modern nations outlawed slavery without having to resort to intercene warfare.

84 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:13:33pm

I did a bit of research and now I need an acid-bath to get the nasty off me.

85 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:13:34pm

James Edwards at the Occidental Observer

86 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:13:37pm

re: #81 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you. We're here till Thursday. Please have the chicken!

87 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:13:49pm

re: #79 windsagio

Wasn't that less about the institution and more about those people not wanting to be slaves themselves? (feeling nitpicky tonight)

Yes and no. There was a civil war element between Saduccim (Saducees) who were Romanized and kept slaves, and other groups who freed them. This pissed the Romans off because it impacted tax revenues.

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:14:08pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

Spartacus!

Well, America is still the only nation that won a war over slavery. And we were lucky enough to avoid Rome's fate in the aftermath of the Spartacus rebellion: divided up by ambitious generals. Of course we also have no leaders of the stature of Pompey Magnus or Julius Caesar.

89 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:14:24pm

OT - Cliff is going to bed. Night yall...

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:14:40pm

A "group editorial" from November 2008 says that Jews could partner with "European-Americans" so long as they "acknowledge the role of the organized Jewish community in the dispossession of European America."

Sounds like college, but with white people this time. Why does every damn group that wants me to partner with them start off with wanting the Jews to do a little penitential ritual for existing?

91 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:15:02pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

I meant the roman slave revolt (aka spartacus), I know nothing about the Jewish revolt at all...

Sounds interesting tho'!

92 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:15:43pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Well, America is still the only nation that won a war over slavery. And we were lucky enough to avoid Rome's fate in the aftermath of the Spartacus rebellion: divided up by ambitious generals. Of course we also have no leaders of the stature of Pompey Magnus or Julius Caesar.

Does this count as "A war over slavery"?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

93 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:15:43pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Careful what you ask for, we wouldn't want those guys either >>

94 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:15:54pm

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

I have to say, this is the worst-kept secret in the world if some temp can find out about it like this.

Getting his fifteen minutes of psuedo fame though isn't he? He knows he is lying, we know he is lying, it is just the gullible schumcks who desperately want it to be true who believe this based on nothing more really than unsubstantiated hearsay.

95 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:16:16pm

James Edwards information from ADL.

96 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:16:24pm

re: #92 jamesfirecat

Interesting question. Goes back to the servile wars (hah wiki!) I guess. Do slave revolts count or not?

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:16:29pm

re: #83 windsagio

That's a major point point, most other modern nations outlawed slavery without having to resort to intercene warfare.

Most other modern nations didn't have a large internal slave population. Whole different ballgame here.

Wait, the Haitians also fought a war to end slavery.

98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:16:34pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Well, America is still the only nation that won a war over slavery. And we were lucky enough to avoid Rome's fate in the aftermath of the Spartacus rebellion: divided up by ambitious generals. Of course we also have no leaders of the stature of Pompey Magnus or Julius Caesar.

Britain fought a very successful naval campaign against it...

99 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:16:58pm

re: #84 MandyManners

I did a bit of research and now I need an acid-bath to get the nasty off me.

Well any racist you ran across would need surgery to get the whup-ass off of them.

100 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:17:12pm

I'm off to bed.

101 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:17:12pm

re: #92 jamesfirecat

Actually I'll answer myself. The context seemed to be 'the owners fighting to decide whether or not to have slaves'. In the example of the Civil War, for instance, the blacks had no say at all. In Haiti they kinda did :)


Man this is a random convo, but fun :D

102 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:17:31pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Their colonies did tho'!

103 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:17:54pm

re: #93 windsagio

Careful what you ask for, we wouldn't want those guys either >>

True. I was just lamenting the current lack of leaders.

104 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:18:02pm

over 100 post OT


FUCK YOU JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

May your trip to hell be long and arduous!

105 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:18:10pm

Following a Four-Month Absence, White Supremacist James Edwards and the Political Cesspool Return to the Airwaves

On June 1, 2008, after a four-month hiatus, white supremacist James Edwards and his staff, claiming to be the "voice of the movement," resumed hosting the Political Cesspool, a Memphis, Tennessee-based AM and Internet radio show on which anti-Semites, white supremacists, and other right-wing extremists regularly appear to voice their views. Guests on the June 1 show included anti-Semitic professor Kevin MacDonald and white supremacist Virginia Abernethy. Show sponsors include the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens and the Institute for Historical Review, a Holocaust denial organization.

Initially billed as "The South's Foremost Conservative Populist Radio Program," the Political Cesspool's Mission Statement now says that the show "represent[s] a philosophy that is pro-White…[and seeks] to grow the percentage of Whites in the world relative to other races." James Edwards, the Political Cesspool's main host, co-founded the show in October 2004 and has interviewed a variety of anti-Semites, white supremacists, Holocaust deniers, conspiracy theorists and anti-immigrant leaders. A list of former guests includes veteran anti-Semite and Holocaust denier Willis Carto; Prussian Blue, a neo-Nazi singing duo; anti-Semite Ted Pike; Mark Weber, the director of the Institute for Historical Review; and Frank Roman, a founding member of the neo-Nazi European Americans United group.

Edwards does not merely interview extremists. A white supremacist himself, Edwards hosts, attends and speaks at extremist gatherings...

106 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:18:11pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Eeh, we're doing okay.

107 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:18:18pm

The white supremacists are becoming increasingly welcome in right wing circles. Glenn Beck, fox news, tea parties, Arizona's immigration laws. No matter how this turns out it's not going to be good for anybody.

108 bratwurst  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:18:27pm

What are the odds we wake up tomorrow to a nirther in this thread "just asking questions"?

109 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:19:28pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

The white supremacists are becoming increasingly welcome in right wing circles. Glenn Beck, fox news, tea parties, Arizona's immigration laws. No matter how this turns out it's not going to be good for anybody.

I keep waiting for the right Wing to become crazy enough that the GOP either needs to seriously reform or no longer be a credible threat in Presidential elections... we me might be there by 2012 given the current crop of people they have to run against Obama....

110 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:19:53pm

re: #108 bratwurst

I'm told, "Absolutely!"

111 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:19:58pm

Glenn Beck pimping Elizabeth Dilling and now World Net Daily pimping James Edwards. Very interesting.

112 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:20:51pm

re: #108 bratwurst

What are the odds we wake up tomorrow to a nirther in this thread "just asking questions"?

That's fine. We'll have Troll Bacon for breakfast.

113 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:21:00pm

How the hell did this become a slavery thread? Oh, that's right, racism still plays a major role in too many people's thinking. Just like antisemitism does too on both the far left and far right. People are perpetually stupid. Stay vigilant without becoming vigilantes gang. Sanity is a precious commodity becoming more precious every day.

114 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:21:38pm

re: #113 Irenicum

It started because somebody was being snarky and trying to minimize racism in the US.

From there things turned beautiful and strange.

115 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:21:40pm

re: #82 Gus 802

Haven't we discussed the Occidental Observer here before?

116 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:22:27pm

re: #115 freetoken

Haven't we discussed the Occidental Observer here before?

Maybe in comments?

117 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:22:48pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Most other modern nations didn't have a large internal slave population. Whole different ballgame here.

Wait, the Haitians also fought a war to end slavery.

Don't forget Simon Bolivar....

118 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:23:17pm

re: #69 MandyManners

To my knowledge, America is the only nation that fought a war over slavery.

620,000-640,000 dead, mostly of disease or infections. But hell that was only a warm-up, just wait till all the true patriots bring out their guns in defense of...err...something Glenn Beck makes up maybe? (I don't know, but once you have the guns, ammo, gold, and survival (non-hybrid!) seeds wouldn't it be a shame to let it all go to waste by not causing the downfall of humanity?)

/

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:23:18pm

re: #102 windsagio

Their colonies did tho'!

True.

I always tell this story, but when I was moving to England I read a travel guide about the different ethnic communities of London. The author explained that in the 1700s, there was a population of several thousand African former slaves, almost all men, living in the City, and it was something of a mystery what had happened to them.

I read this out to my mother, who commented to the author, "Your great-great-grandfather didn't go anywhere, dear, you're still in London, aren't you?"

Then you have Alexandre Dumas' family. His grandfather owned a plantation on Haiti, and had a fairly large family with a woman on the estate. When he left for France, he sold her to a neighbor along with the kids, but took the youngest child to France with him, where he became one of Napoleon's generals.

120 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:23:26pm

As long as we're talking slavery, here's an interesting what if to think about, what do you think would have happened if the British had tried to take back their lost colonies during the civil war while the US was divided? Would they have been able to leverage the South's hatred of the North to play one against the other even given the fact that by this point the UK found slavery abhorrent? Would the two sides have joined together to fight the red coats?

121 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:23:45pm

So I'm going through the WKU English department web pages:

[Link: www.wku.edu...]

Haven't come across any evidence of a "Tim Adams". I guess if the school acknowledges that he was there then he was, but he sure kept a low profile.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:24:31pm

re: #117 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't forget Simon Bolivar...

How could I forget Simon? "He who serves a revolution plows the sea..."

123 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:26:16pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Most other modern nations didn't have a large internal slave population. Whole different ballgame here.

Wait, the Haitians also fought a war to end slavery.

well, that was a horse of a different color entirely, it was also a slaughterhouse no holds barred war with numerous atrocities on both sides. The people with sense got the hell out of there, thus they survived because practically no one else not of color did.

124 bratwurst  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:26:38pm

This topic provides a good excuse to post my favorite nirth certificate to date:

Image: COLMKBTWL.gif

125 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:27:07pm

Well, it's late. Loved the game earlier. Please make sure to keep the shit-faced crazy people in line, and I'll see y'all tomorrow.

126 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:27:41pm

Night Lizards. See you in the Morning.

((Ladies))

Mandy (pinch).

Runs for door..........

127 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:28:02pm

re: #126 Bubblehead II

Sexist!
///

128 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:30:08pm

re: #121 freetoken

So I'm going through the WKU English department web pages:

[Link: www.wku.edu...]

Haven't come across any evidence of a "Tim Adams". I guess if the school acknowledges that he was there then he was, but he sure kept a low profile.

There's a Timothy Adams listed as a graduate assistant:

[Link: www.wku.edu...]

129 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:30:20pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

As long as we're talking slavery, here's an interesting what if to think about, what do you think would have happened if the British had tried to take back their lost colonies during the civil war while the US was divided? Would they have been able to leverage the South's hatred of the North to play one against the other even given the fact that by this point the UK found slavery abhorrent? Would the two sides have joined together to fight the red coats?

The UK had already decided against any sort of conquest. However, there were occasions when the UK came close to intervening on the Confederate side. The UK had many people who wanted America crippled to eliminate us as a rival.

130 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:30:54pm

re: #121 freetoken

So I'm going through the WKU English department web pages:

[Link: www.wku.edu...]

Haven't come across any evidence of a "Tim Adams". I guess if the school acknowledges that he was there then he was, but he sure kept a low profile.

Also, look here...

[Link: www.google.com...]

Bingo!

131 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:31:52pm

re: #124 bratwurst

This topic provides a good excuse to post my favorite nirth certificate to date:

Image: COLMKBTWL.gif

When I saw "20 inches" my mind went to a dirty place....

132 sagehen  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:32:50pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

As long as we're talking slavery, here's an interesting what if to think about, what do you think would have happened if the British had tried to take back their lost colonies during the civil war while the US was divided? Would they have been able to leverage the South's hatred of the North to play one against the other even given the fact that by this point the UK found slavery abhorrent? Would the two sides have joined together to fight the red coats?

By that time, the UK had it's own problems in their own hemisphere, and their military was spread pretty thin.

They did sorta kinda halfway support the confederacy, but they weren't going to commit troops or ships.

133 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:34:26pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Yes, he is listed under "Graduate Assistant". Note that they have a separate heading for "Instructors", in which he most definitely is not placed.


What I meant by being "low profile" is that I couldn't find him in any of the photos on their site, or the blog for the majors, etc.

134 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:34:44pm

re: #128 Gus 802

There's a Timothy Adams listed as a graduate assistant:

[Link: www.wku.edu...]

Which, in the end, means jack shit for WND's claim that Adams was an WKU "instructor"...GAs are glorified lackeys for their advisors many times, IMNSHO.

Once again, WND is full of bovine excrement.

/just think about Kent from Real Genius...

135 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:35:56pm

re: #133 freetoken

Yes, he is listed under "Graduate Assistant". Note that they have a separate heading for "Instructors", in which he most definitely is not placed.

What I meant by being "low profile" is that I couldn't find him in any of the photos on their site, or the blog for the majors, etc.

Well, it's either like Talon said, a load of BS or they didn't update yet. I'm thinking it's another load of World Nut Drooly BS.

136 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:35:59pm

BTW,

Fuck you Google.

Just needed to get that out at least one more time today.

137 efuseakay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:36:17pm

He's listed here under "Timothy Adams"

[Link: www.wku.edu...]

Look under GRADUATE ASSISTANTS... that part actually checks out with the WND story.

138 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:37:07pm

re: #135 Gus 802

It's just form of the Authority fallacy being used by WND. They're trying to give the guy credibility in the eyes of their readers.

139 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:37:41pm

re: #130 Gus 802

Also, look here...

[Link: www.google.com...]

Bingo!

He's years behind. Alouette had the facts last year:

Iranians: The Juice are Behind Obama Birth Certificate Conspiracy

140 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:38:30pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

He's years behind. Alouette had the facts last year:

Iranians: The Juice are Behind Obama Birth Certificate Conspiracy

You know. Every time I read "Juice" I think of "OJ".

141 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:40:33pm

re: #140 Gus 802

You know. Every time I read "Juice" I think of "OJ".

In that case ,,, edited from #104

over 100 post OT


FUCK YOU JORAN VAN DER SLOOT OJ

May your trip to hell be long and arduous!

142 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:42:13pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

In that case ,,, edited from #104

over 100 post OT

FUCK YOU JORAN VAN DER SLOOT OJ

May your trip to hell be long and arduous!

Fuck you OJ. You're a punk, a bad man. Go to Hell.

-Dennis Miller

143 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:43:55pm

re: #137 efuseakay

He's listed here under "Timothy Adams"

[Link: www.wku.edu...]

Look under GRADUATE ASSISTANTS... that part actually checks out with the WND story.

But in the first paragraph of the WND story (and in the caption with Adams' photo), Adams is referred to as an "instructor" at WKU.

Hell, in the caption text, Adams is being referred to as a current English instructor at WKU...either WND's editorial QC sucks ass or they're trying to pull some hinky shit.

144 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:45:04pm

Most people don't realize anymore what a bitter thing the Civil War was, according to the last census before the war there were only slightly more than 31 million citizens. 620,000 killed (more deaths than in all the other wars the USA has fought combined) means that more than 2% of the total population was killed.

Today that same number would be slightly more than 7,000,000 killed, how Lincoln kept them fighting and even won re-election in the face of such horrific loses is a true testament to his character and the perseverance of his will. He fought to preserve the "Union" not to free the slaves, freeing the slaves came later in the war, but that is what he will always be remembered for.

Effing sad that now the "states rights" people are back to calling him a traitor, it literally makes me want to strangle them (not that I would, mind you).

145 efuseakay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:46:53pm

re: #143 talon_262

But in the first paragraph of the WND story (and in the caption with Adams' photo), Adams is referred to as an "instructor" at WKU.

Hell, in the caption text, Adams is being referred to as a current English instructor at WKU...either WND's editorial QC sucks ass or they're trying to pull some hinky shit.

Right... in the first paragraph, Adams calls him an instructor, then in the second paragraph, he says hes a "graduate assistant who teaches English"...

Heh... I believe their QC sucks ass, and they are pulling some hinky shit. It's WND!

146 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:47:29pm

re: #144 ausador

I'm firmly convinced that these current groups (TP et al) are based in the same social forces that propped up the antebellum south.

They're particularly skilled at making terrible things into values.

147 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:49:21pm

Did the spy always show new registrations btW?

148 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:49:46pm

re: #147 windsagio

Did the spy always show new registrations btW?

Nope. That's new.

149 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:50:05pm

re: #145 efuseakay

Right... in the first paragraph, WND Adams calls him an instructor, then in the second paragraph, he says hes a "graduate assistant who teaches English"...

Heh... I believe their QC sucks ass, and they are pulling some hinky shit. It's WND!

FTFY ;P

Yeah, WND is the National Enquirer of American "right-wing" news...

150 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:50:32pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Nope. That's new.

Ooohh, spiffy!

151 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:51:09pm

re: #149 talon_262

Except that the Enquirer is shockingly accurate. After (I think it was Cher) sued the hell out of them and won a few decades back, they have just about the best factchecking in the biz.

/I love that random factiod!

152 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:51:56pm

re: #144 ausador

Most people don't realize anymore what a bitter thing the Civil War was, according to the last census before the war there were only slightly more than 31 million citizens. 620,000 killed (more deaths than in all the other wars the USA has fought combined) means that more than 2% of the total population was killed.

Today that same number would be slightly more than 7,000,000 killed, how Lincoln kept them fighting and even won re-election in the face of such horrific loses is a true testament to his character and the perseverance of his will. He fought to preserve the "Union" not to free the slaves, freeing the slaves came later in the war, but that is what he will always be remembered for.

Effing sad that now the "states rights" people are back to calling him a traitor, it literally makes me want to strangle them (not that I would, mind you).

Just send those folks this vid:

Youtube Video
153 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:52:09pm

re: #124 bratwurst

This topic provides a good excuse to post my favorite nirth certificate to date:

Image: COLMKBTWL.gif

Ahem...

Image: ObongoBaby.jpg


Don't bother relying either, because...

Image: Ostrich_Demotivator_by_JohnDamen.jpg

///

154 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:52:50pm

re: #149 talon_262

FTFY ;P

Yeah, WND is the National Enquirer of American "right-wing" news...

No, they're the Weekly World News. Sometimes the Enquirer breaks a worthwhile story.

155 efuseakay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:52:55pm

P.S. Doesn't John Edwards pictured here:

[Link: www.adl.org...]

Look a lot like Tim Adams pictured here:

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

????????

156 efuseakay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:53:34pm

re: #149 talon_262

LOL Yeah yeah... got me! :D

157 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:53:56pm

re: #155 efuseakay

P.S. Doesn't John Edwards pictured here:

[Link: www.adl.org...]

Look a lot like Tim Adams pictured here:

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

???

James Edwards.

158 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:54:48pm

re: #151 windsagio

Except that the Enquirer is shockingly accurate. After (I think it was Cher) sued the hell out of them and won a few decades back, they have just about the best factchecking in the biz.

/I love that random factiod!

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, something that applies more to WND than to the Enquirer. I believe you're right about the Cher/Enquirer fiasco and it's aftermath, so I guess that makes WND less accurate than even the National Enquirer....

159 efuseakay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:55:45pm

re: #157 Gus 802

James Edwards.

Blah... how could I mess that up... pony hair/no hair!

Guess that's a hint for me to go to bed finally!

160 efuseakay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:57:58pm

Hey Charles... look, it's your good friend, Pat... with James!

Image: cessp.jpg

161 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:58:03pm

Heh, we're all safe now because we have a special person on the case - Orly Taitz!

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

From:
“Dr. Orly Taitz ESQ”
View contact details
To:
timothy.adams773@wku.edu
Dear Mr. Adams
You might have heard my name.
My name is Dr. Orly Taitz, I am an attorney challenging Barack Obama’s legitimacy to US presidency. I just heard your radio interview, where you are stating that you worked for the Registrar of election in HI and it was a common knowledge there that Obama did not have a valid birth certificate and that he was not born in this country. I need to interview you and submit to court your testimony regarding Barack Obama not being born in this country and not having a valid US birth certificate on file. Sir, it is extremely important for the whole nation, Please contact me at[no phone numbers allowed]
sincerely

Dr. Orly Taitz ESQ

162 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:58:15pm

I didn't bother reading the WND. I assume it's the usual nirther craziness. I did notice that the nirthers think "this time it teh relz!!11!!"

163 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:58:18pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

No, they're the Weekly World News. Sometimes the Enquirer breaks a worthwhile story.

Pure sensationalism is probably one reason WWN no longer exists in print, only online...

164 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:59:18pm

re: #161 freetoken

Heh, we're all safe now because we have a special person on the case - Orly Taitz!

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

LOL!

165 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:59:46pm

re: #161 freetoken

Heh, we're all safe now because we have a special person on the case - Orly Taitz!

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Here was have a grad assistant about ready to embark on his career and already he's tossing it in the trash. Apparently he drank the Kool Aid™.

166 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:00:08pm

re: #161 freetoken

did I call it or did I call it !?!?!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

167 Henchman 25  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:04:56pm

Disgusting.

168 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:06:12pm

No listing for a "Chief Elections Clerk" in the State of Hawaii.

"Chief Elections Clerk" site:hawaii.gov

They have a Chief Elections Officer. So that title "Chief Elections Clerk" is bullshit.

169 lostlakehiker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:08:58pm

re: #26 Gus 802

You can read about it here. I haven't really looked.

OK, I went and read it. An "implicit white community" is a group of people whose behavior reveals preferences that if they had to explain them, would be embarrassingly un-PC. For instance, the set of visitors to the Stone Mountain monument to Stonewall Jackson, R.E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. White-flight suburbs. Majority-white private schools to which the alternative is majority-minority public schools. Cities that set dwelling standards that somehow or other, quite accidentally mind you, screen out anyone with below-average income, and as a result given the way race correlates with income, screen out most minorities.

The people in these communities are not explicit racists. Their voting patterns, jury verdicts, and what have you are not at all racist. Everything that's under conscious control, so to speak, takes no sides on questions of race. But when it comes to where to live and where to send children to school, there's a comfort in associating with one's own class and color that functions as a background context to the decisions they fall into.

The article bemoans the efforts these people make to control this side of themselves, and hopes to bring them around to working openly and explicitly to advance the interests of whites at the expense of all others.

170 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:10:13pm

re: #168 Gus 802

No listing for a "Chief Elections Clerk" in the State of Hawaii.

"Chief Elections Clerk" site:hawaii.gov

They have a Chief Elections Officer. So that title "Chief Elections Clerk" is bullshit.

I noticed that "senior elections clerk" title...I also noticed Adams was apparently a seasonal employee for the 2008 elections. If anything, he was perhaps a chief gofer for the permanent staff...which, in the end, still means jack shit for his credibility.

171 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:10:51pm

re: #170 talon_262

I noticed that "senior elections clerk" title...I also noticed Adams was apparently a seasonal employee for the 2008 elections. If anything, he was perhaps a chief gofer for the permanent staff...which, in the end, still means jack shit for his credibility.

Yep. Chief Elections Janitor.

/

172 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:13:38pm

re: #161 freetoken

Heh, we're all safe now because we have a special person on the case - Orly Taitz!

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Clutching at straws? Nope, more like clutching at someone else who is clutching a single straw that is the only thing holding them from dropping into the abyss.

/Gullible, thy name is Orly.

173 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:14:15pm

re: #169 lostlakehiker

he set of visitors to the Stone Mountain monument to Stonewall Jackson, R.E. Lee and Jefferson Davis

Interestingly and ironically Stone Mountain Georgia, the town where Stone Mt. Park and the monument is is now overwhelmingly a minority community

174 lostlakehiker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:14:56pm

re: #132 sagehen

By that time, the UK had it's own problems in their own hemisphere, and their military was spread pretty thin.

They did sorta kinda halfway support the confederacy, but they weren't going to commit troops or ships.

Britain's leadership toyed with the idea of supporting the confederacy. The thinking was that the mill workers would provide the working class support for this essentially pedigreed upper class project. They'd do that because the Union blockade of cotton shipments from the South was hurting the cloth factories in Britain and thus the livelihood of the mill workers.

It was, too. But here's what the mill workers actually did. They stood on principle against slavery, even though they really needed the income. Their stand, which is one of the unsung chapters of British courage, doomed the project and ensured that Britain would remain neutral and even put up with some of the guff that overly enthusiastic U.S. navy officers gave them.

175 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:17:35pm

Is this the guy?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

If so, then he has some ... interesting videos.

176 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:18:45pm

re: #169 lostlakehiker

OK, I went and read it. An "implicit white community" is a group of people whose behavior reveals preferences that if they had to explain them, would be embarrassingly un-PC. For instance, the set of visitors to the Stone Mountain monument to Stonewall Jackson, R.E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. White-flight suburbs. Majority-white private schools to which the alternative is majority-minority public schools. Cities that set dwelling standards that somehow or other, quite accidentally mind you, screen out anyone with below-average income, and as a result given the way race correlates with income, screen out most minorities.

The people in these communities are not explicit racists. Their voting patterns, jury verdicts, and what have you are not at all racist. Everything that's under conscious control, so to speak, takes no sides on questions of race. But when it comes to where to live and where to send children to school, there's a comfort in associating with one's own class and color that functions as a background context to the decisions they fall into.

The article bemoans the efforts these people make to control this side of themselves, and hopes to bring them around to working openly and explicitly to advance the interests of whites at the expense of all others.

Some of the people found in those communities may or may not be racist. However, promoting the concept as presented by William Sheldon is racist and promotes segregation.

177 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:19:45pm

re: #169 lostlakehiker

OK, I went and read it. An "implicit white community" is a group of people whose behavior reveals preferences that if they had to explain them, would be embarrassingly un-PC. For instance, the set of visitors to the Stone Mountain monument to Stonewall Jackson, R.E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. White-flight suburbs. Majority-white private schools to which the alternative is majority-minority public schools. Cities that set dwelling standards that somehow or other, quite accidentally mind you, screen out anyone with below-average income, and as a result given the way race correlates with income, screen out most minorities.

The people in these communities are not explicit racists. Their voting patterns, jury verdicts, and what have you are not at all racist. Everything that's under conscious control, so to speak, takes no sides on questions of race. But when it comes to where to live and where to send children to school, there's a comfort in associating with one's own class and color that functions as a background context to the decisions they fall into.

The article bemoans the efforts these people make to control this side of themselves, and hopes to bring them around to working openly and explicitly to advance the interests of whites at the expense of all others.

Well, he can bemoan all he wants, but that kind of racism is not going to have a big comeback. People such as you've defined might worry about who their neighbors are, but they don't wish others ill and they don't want to be haters.

178 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:20:58pm

re: #176 Gus 802

More to the point from Part 2 of that lunacy:

Our initial modest goal for OG is to expand the dataset to include at least one place entry in every state. Please take a look at the map. If you see a gap in your part of the country, please submit your suggested entry as a comment on the “participation” page of the site. In parallel with the expansion of entries I would like to encourage readers who have visited the places already listed in OG to add depth to the entries with your own first-person descriptions, stories, links to photos, videos.

Igniting implicitly White communities towards explicitness will occur through creative and courageous expressions of European American identity, like those from the staff of The Political Cesspool and European Americans United. Examples such as these provide behavioral models our less conscious brothers and sisters need to feel comfortable with what they know deep down is right. Let us join together to appropriate our implicitly White spaces as beachheads in our struggle.

As we recapture our historically meaningful spaces, we will reclaim our social, intellectual, political and spiritual destiny.

179 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:21:42pm

re: #175 freetoken

Is this the guy?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

If so, then he has some ... interesting videos.

I think that is him. One of the videos he praises the Council of Concerned Citizens and talks about the birth certificate stuff.

180 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:22:36pm

re: #175 freetoken

Is this the guy?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

If so, then he has some ... interesting videos.

OMG He's off his rocker.

181 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:22:46pm

re: #161 freetoken

Heh, we're all safe now because we have a special person on the case - Orly Taitz!

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

And this, folks, is what we call "Crank Magnetism". One loon spinning new variations on the conspiracy theory pulls in other nuts who believe in the theory.

182 lostlakehiker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:24:33pm

re: #69 MandyManners

To my knowledge, America is the only nation that fought a war over slavery.

Also Iraq, back around 800-900. From the wikipedia article:excerpt follows

Note: The Zanj Rebellion was not a single revolt but a series of small revolts that eventually culminated to a large revolt. This article details the largest revolt led by Ali bin Muhammad.

The Zanj Revolt took place near the city of Basra, located in southern Iraq over a period of fifteen years (869-883 AD). It grew to involve over 500,000 slaves who were imported from across the Muslim empire and claimed over “tens of thousands of lives in lower Iraq” [1]. The revolt was said to have been led by Ali ibn Muhammad, who claimed to be a descendent of Caliph Ali ibn Abu Talib. Several historians, such as Al-Tabari and Al-Masudi, consider this revolt one of the “most vicious and brutal uprising” out of the many disturbances that plagued the Abbasid central government. [1]

The Zanj revolt helped Ahmad ibn Tulun to create an independent state in Egypt. It is only after defeating the Zanj Revolt that the Abbassids were able to turn their attention to Egypt, and end the Tulunid dynasty with great destruction.

183 lostlakehiker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:25:17pm

re: #176 Gus 802

Some of the people found in those communities may or may not be racist. However, promoting the concept as presented by William Sheldon is racist and promotes segregation.

Oh, absolutely.

184 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:30:06pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

And this, folks, is what we call "Crank Magnetism". One loon spinning new variations on the conspiracy theory pulls in other nuts who believe in the theory.

"Fucking crank magnets! How do they work?"

/Sorry, I couldn't resist.

185 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:31:52pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

"Fucking crank magnets! How do they work?"

/Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Well ,,, 1st you need a metallic crank ,,,,THEN ,,,

186 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:38:31pm

This is the video to which Gus alluded:


Youtube Video

I don't know what to think of this guy.

187 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:40:29pm

Was anyone else here in school when busing started? I was perfectly happy going to a middle school that was literally across the street from my house and suddenly found myself taking a 40 minute bus trip across town to a run down pile of concrete junk that more closely resembled a prison than a school that they called Campbell Park that had elementary,middle, and highschool all under one roof.

It was still about 75% black during the first year as they tried to get a grip on this "desegregation thing", I had fun in that the classes were a breeze, I had covered the same material two or three years before. But the complete lack of any gym facilities or even a playground really sucked. We did exercises in a "coned off" area of the parking lot, and when you wiped out serious "road rash" was the usual result.

I never once got in a fight in my two years at Campbell Park, hell I can't even remember ever getting into any kind of racial argument. I think we were all so freaked out at being with people of another color that we were all walking on eggshells and scared to say anything at all.

I'm glad they did it, and I'm glad of the experience, but damn getting up that early and then having to walk a mile and a quarter to my bus stop for a 40 minute ride sucked ass!

188 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:43:52pm

re: #186 freetoken

This is the video to which Gus alluded:

[Video]I don't know what to think of this guy.

He's cracked. It's pretty obvious from that video that he's also been consuming way to much booze. He even posted something at the Hannity forums saying "God, Please burn Shaun Hannity’s family in the street, amen."

189 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:47:22pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Yeah, I think he's a bit unstable. Just the type for a WND source.

190 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:48:40pm

re: #189 freetoken

Yeah, I think he's a bit unstable. Just the type for a WND source.

He looks kind of sick too. I mean, sick as in physically.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:49:40pm

re: #187 ausador

Was anyone else here in school when busing started? I was perfectly happy going to a middle school that was literally across the street from my house and suddenly found myself taking a 40 minute bus trip across town to a run down pile of concrete junk that more closely resembled a prison than a school that they called Campbell Park that had elementary,middle, and highschool all under one roof.

It was still about 75% black during the first year as they tried to get a grip on this "desegregation thing", I had fun in that the classes were a breeze, I had covered the same material two or three years before. But the complete lack of any gym facilities or even a playground really sucked. We did exercises in a "coned off" area of the parking lot, and when you wiped out serious "road rash" was the usual result.

I never once got in a fight in my two years at Campbell Park, hell I can't even remember ever getting into any kind of racial argument. I think we were all so freaked out at being with people of another color that we were all walking on eggshells and scared to say anything at all.

I'm glad they did it, and I'm glad of the experience, but damn getting up that early and then having to walk a mile and a quarter to my bus stop for a 40 minute ride sucked ass!

I missed the entire thing.

192 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:50:09pm

On another note about past school remembrances, they have now torn down my elementary school and both the middle schools that I attended.

Sounds like the intro to one of those oldies jokes; "You know your old when even the schools you went to have been demolished for age".

sigh...

193 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:53:02pm

re: #190 Gus 802

Yeah, I agree. So, I don't want to bag on the guy... he could be in chemo or something.

194 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:54:34pm

re: #193 freetoken

Yeah, I agree. So, I don't want to bag on the guy... he could be in chemo or something.

Hate to bring post this put just found this:

xray3delta
2 months ago
Phil, hang in there, take from someone who has a diagnosis of socio/psychopathy (congenital schizophrenia), being able to "snap" into a mental state where you would just as soon hurt someone as look at them is not a gift. Caring for folks is the best, and that's why it costs alot.

195 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:06:11pm

re: #194 Gus 802

And someone going by the handle of "xray3delta", with an avatar that looks like the guy in the picture/videos, had this to say:

I am, among other things, an ex-convict and murderer.

He also asked the question:

Is civil war ever justified by government corruption?

If it is the same person (and it seems so), then I'd say he is a real nutcase.

Good going, WND.

196 ryannon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:06:42pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Implicit White Communities? How can I tell if I live in one?

Could you be more explicit, please?

197 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:07:19pm

re: #195 freetoken

And someone going by the handle of "xray3delta", with an avatar that looks like the guy in the picture/videos, had this to say:

If it is the same person (and it seems so), then I'd say he is a real nutcase.

Good going, WND.

Oh my. Wow.

198 ryannon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:07:26pm

re: #16 windsagio

I wanted to use ironic, but people get annoyed when you use the word incorrectly >>

Yes, it's perfectly tragic the way they react.

199 ryannon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:08:14pm

re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar

Literally?
/

Noone acked for you're opinion.

/

200 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:10:15pm

re: #195 freetoken

And someone going by the handle of "xray3delta", with an avatar that looks like the guy in the picture/videos, had this to say:

If it is the same person (and it seems so), then I'd say he is a real nutcase.

Good going, WND.

Myspace page:

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

201 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:19:04pm

Guess who has an Amazon review account?

Timothy Adams "xray3delta" (honolulu, Hawaii)

Check out the three books he's reviewed, and his comments:


Igniting a Revolution: Voices in Defense of the Earth

The book is an excellent, historical accounting of the deep earth movement in the 70's and 80's. Beginning with the gut kick of the government's crackdown that destroyed the earlier and more radically violent parts of the movement, the book then chronicles the rise of the new, non-centralized, and more first peoples oriented voices in defense of ecology since the 1990's. Good reading for anyone wanting to know what happened to the Southwestern anglo-American voices in the deep earth movements; and the rise of other ethnic, other approach organizations that continue today.


His Panic: Why Americans Fear Hispanics in the U.S.

Ahh, Geraldo, the man who was once fired for trying to push the "murder" of Marilyn Monroe and the man with the bulldozer at the empty vault. I remember when he used to run so called "satanists" on his shows, when I met with some of these "satan worshippers" and later tried to talk with Geraldo, he wasn't interested; after all, he'd already made his money. Truth never mattered then, and in his latest drivel, written to capitalize on the current election issues, he's no better off. His plea for "law abiding workers" seems to forget that by being here in the first place ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE FELONS, period, I don't want to hear excuses, every F****ing criminal has one. America has the right to say who enters this country and when;just like every other nation, including your precious Mexico. We are not here to feed Mexico's castoffs. Personally, I find the book offensive and insulting, the "Statistics" are conveniently skewed to make his case, but the facts are not quite so easy. Perhaps having lost 3 wars, Mexico needs a fourth to teach it how to act. Use this book for toilet paper.


Extreme Spirituality: Secret Key to Empowerment

[...]

"Extreme" - indeed.

202 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:20:45pm

re: #201 freetoken

Guess who has an Amazon review account?

Timothy Adams "xray3delta" (honolulu, Hawaii)

Check out the three books he's reviewed, and his comments:

"Extreme" - indeed.

Damn, they sure reeled one in with this nut. I've been looking and this crazy Tim Adams story if very popular with the birthers.

203 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:22:58pm

re: #201 freetoken

Guess who has an Amazon review account?

Timothy Adams "xray3delta" (honolulu, Hawaii)

Check out the three books he's reviewed, and his comments:

"Extreme" - indeed.

Looks like somebody already found a lot of what we've been digging up:

[Link: ohforgoodnesssake.com...]

204 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:23:08pm

re: #202 Gus 802

The freepers are having orgasms over it.

205 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:25:27pm

re: #204 freetoken

The freepers are having orgasms over it.

Saw that. Figures. Think they'll ever get a clue? Will it make a difference? The whole thing is a scam. I doubt the idiots bothered calling the State of Hawaii.

More evidence showing what trash World Nut Daily is.

206 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:27:26pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Sigh... the internet is too large... much redundancy in effort. Yet it looks like they missed the Amazon reviews.

They did catch though that WND first used the term "professor", which I caught last night.

207 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:35:44pm

Mr. Adams has left his droppings all over the internet...

On Islam:

:x All I've learned from Islam is that Islamic cultures need to reach equal footing with the rest of us if they want to live and work and trade with the rest of us. Otherwise, everyone should stay to their own, wish my own country would have.

... to love.

208 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:36:38pm

re: #207 freetoken

Mr. Adams has left his droppings all over the internet...

On Islam:

... to love.

This is hilarious. In a couple of years he'll probably run under the Tea Party ticket.

209 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:50:18pm

At his Newsvine account:
[Link: xray3delta.newsvine.com...]

He says in comment to one article:

"we were treated like criminals," Yeah, guess what, YOU ARE! In 2004, as part of a protest against some of the new legislation from the Patriot Act, I was arrested at the city building here in HNL for attempting to use another person's birth certificate and SSN to obtain a state I.D.. I had to go to jail, post bond, appear in court three times, pay fines and fees, and work off my sentence. Then, I was on probation for three years before my offense could be expunged, and I'm a citizen. Go back where you came from. You don't let us come to your country without permission and visas, why should you be allowed to come here? By the way, since when can foriegners own land, property or work in Mexico, El Salvador or any of several other nations down South without extensive expense and legal work? Anyone found in the country illegally should be banned from entry or emigration for life.

I really don't know whether to believe him, but he surely makes a good lexicon entry under "fringe".

210 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:57:02pm

re: #201 freetoken

Guess who has an Amazon review account?

Timothy Adams "xray3delta" (honolulu, Hawaii)

Check out the three books he's reviewed, and his comments:

"Extreme" - indeed.

It's mostly fiction. This guy is a writer.

Just found this:

[Link: blogs.myspace.com...]

Other events; I've been employed by the City of Honolulu, managing an office for the upcoming national and state elections, but I'm on leave til August 21st and I don't think I'll be going back.

He wasn't even employed by the state. He was working for the city.

211 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:57:41pm

More from his Newsvine account:

Racism is going against Obama, except it isn't, no wait, it really is...no wait, we have to bring up the race issue because the real racists are too smart to do it...no wait, if you don't vote for a Daly Machine, corrupt, racist, islamist, liberal candidate, it's because you're racist...or not, we can't say, but of course we just did, because our chosen messiah is getting whipped like a hebrew slave child by a white woman from Alaska. Wait, I can't say that, it's racist, or is it? Looks like Hillary Clinton (who still had more votes) should have been the nominee. Democrats alienate their own membership by forcing agenda with Obama candidacy, the reason? Dems are overwhelmingly, still, racists...or not, SHUT UP AND RUN THE IDIOT YOU NOMINATED, SEE YOU AFTER NOVEMBER. Had all of us voting for your ticket, not now, oh wait, I guess that's cause we're all racists. FUBAR!@

#735 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:42 PM EDT


---

Mexico is a failed, post revolutionary state. Fix your own problems or die. I think we should ban all emigration for the next 25 years. No legal status, no work, no legal status, no property ownership, no driver's license, no free anything, no educational benefits, not a damn thing. Burn Mexico black from the Pinacate to Mexico City and let the indigenous peoples from Chiapas take over what's left.

#986 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:59 AM EDT

It is this person's testimony of which Ms. Taitz says she wants to "submit to court your testimony".

The idiocy... it burns.

Well, that is enough for one night. Safe to say that WND really unearthed a winner here.

212 freetoken  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:00:19am

re: #210 Gus 802

Yeah, I don't believe over half he has written. Clearly someone who is leading an alternate life via the internet. Yet Ms. Taitz wants to submit his testimony to court. No wonder the judge fined her.

213 Gus  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:01:04am

re: #212 freetoken

Yeah, I don't believe over half he has written. Clearly someone who is leading an alternate life via the internet. Yet Ms. Taitz wants to submit his testimony to court. No wonder the judge fined her.

I think she should go for it! Then, have her disbarred.

214 dugmartsch  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 6:21:03am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never seen anything like the tenacity of this stupid story. It's meaningless, it's patently not true, and yet it marches on...and on...and on...

I dunno.

If you look at the Clinton presidency you see a lot of the same themes, in the sense that people just made up really blantant awful lies.

The right still hasn't accused Obama of murdering a staffer yet (ala Vince Foster) or smuggling cocaine in air force one, so I think we've got a ways to go before we hit bottom on ODS.

215 Nekama  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 7:18:36am

And Barack Obama prayed with Jeremiah Wright, marched with Louis Farrakhan, and dines with Rashid Khalidi.

Somehow the associations of the occupant of the White House concerns me more than Worldnut Daily.

216 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 7:19:51am

re: #215 Nekama

There is huge distance between Farrakhan and Obama. That should reassure you. If you want to be reassured, that is.

217 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 7:53:57am

re: #83 windsagio

That's a major point point, most other modern nations outlawed slavery without having to resort to intercene warfare.

What does "intercene" mean?

218 aurelius  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 8:37:55am

unbelievable.

Of course he was born in Hawaii, wingnuts.

and no, before you ask, I don't have proof. But I don't need it.

I don't remember you demanding to see Ronald Reagan's birth certificate...

hmmm?

Racist and insane. a winning combination.

219 aurelius  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 8:41:08am

re: #217 Cato the Elder

I think he meant "internecine"

220 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 9:12:13am

There is literally ONE reference to Tim Adams found on the WKU website.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Apparently he was somebody's advisor. That is literally the only reference to that name anywhere on the university website.

221 John Vreeland  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 10:55:17am

Apparently NASCAR is implicitly a celebration of white American culture. I thought it was something else entirely, but the scary thing is that the article implied that one day it shall become an explicit celebration. I just hope that I am no longer white when that happens.

222 Pacificlady  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 1:17:07pm

I have a question. Who was the gentleman at a recent press conference who asked Gibbs why the President has a Connecticut social security number? Gibbs never did answer his question, but Gibbs is not the most articulate person. He fumbles around a lot.

223 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 11, 2010 1:18:19pm

re: #222 Pacificlady

You should probably ask this in an active thread if you want an answer.

224 lionandthelamb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:41:17pm

World Net Daily does tend to put out some pretty news-worthy stories.

I hope they keep it up, no matter who their sources are.

The corporate media's time is almost up and the peoples are growing tired of being constantly lied to.

225 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:42:31pm

re: #224 lionandthelamb

World Net Daily does tend to put out some pretty news-worthy stories.

I hope they keep it up, no matter who their sources are.

The corporate media's time is almost up and the peoples are growing tired of being constantly lied to.

That's pretty funny. You wouldn't happen to be a comedian would you?


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