Thus with most careful devotion
Thus with precise attention
To detail, interfering preparation
Of that which is already prepared
Men tighten the knot of confusion
Into perfect misunderstanding
— T. S. Eliot, The Family Reunion
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freetoken Fri, Jun 11, 2010 10:26:28pm |
Men tighten the knot of confusion
Into perfect misunderstanding
Who knew that Eliot could foresee the internet and all the blogs?
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Abu Al-Poopypants Fri, Jun 11, 2010 10:59:18pm |
I posted a comment for the first time in months and LGF broke.
Sorry.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:20:22pm |
Curse upon hypocrites, false friends, liars, trolls, useful idiots, scamsters, and fools:
Maledicti sint ubique fuerint, sive in domo, sive in agro, sive in via, sive in semita, sive in silva, sive in aqua, sive in ecclesia.
"May they be damned wherever they may be,—whether in the house or in the stables, the garden or the field, or the highway, or in the path, or in the wood, or in the water—or in the church."
Maledicti sint vivendo, bibendo, esuriendo, sitiendo, jejunando, dormitando, vigilando, ambulando, stando, jacendo, operando, quiescendo, mingendo, cacando, flebotomando.
"May they be cursed in eating and drinking, in being hungry, in being thirsty, in fasting, in sleeping, in slumbering, in walking, in standing, in sitting, in lying, in working, in resting, in pissing, in shitting, and in blood-letting."
[Our armies swore terribly in Flanders, cried my uncle Toby,—but nothing to this.—For my own part, I could not have a heart to curse my dog so.]
--Tristram Shandy, Gentleman.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:22:14pm |
re: #4 Nimed
Is LGF is a bit sluggish? Or is it me?
Ping times are in the 50+ ms return times from the PO7 router in the Dallas Datacenter.
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ryannon Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:36:33pm |
Just seven or eight users. We're practically flat-lining.
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freetoken Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:45:01pm |
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ryannon Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:49:50pm |
Blessed are the saviors of animals. Here's a picture of Poopzilla the Pigeon, picked up off the street as a baby three years ago, and now a close companion. He never could fly, and has become what's known as a 'house pigeon.' Totally tame, he even sleeps with me.
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freetoken Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:53:33pm |
Cute guy. There are some birds that barely fly, and others that can't fly at all (not necessarily penguins)
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:53:36pm |
re: #9 ryannon
Blessed are the saviors of animals. Here's a picture of Poopzilla the Pigeon, picked up off the street as a baby three years ago, and now a close companion. He never could fly, and has become what's known as a 'house pigeon.' Totally tame, he even sleeps with me.
I have a new renter.. A Duck has taken up in the Swimming pool the last couple of weeks...He likes it here....Weird he will not move on..
I call him Donald the Duck
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ryannon Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:54:21pm |
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ryannon Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:54:54pm |
re: #16 HoosierHoops
I have a new renter.. A Duck has taken up in the Swimming pool the last couple of weeks...He likes it here...Weird he will not move on..
I call him Donald the Duck
He must like you, Hoops.
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Macha Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:57:20pm |
re: #16 HoosierHoops
I have a new renter.. A Duck has taken up in the Swimming pool the last couple of weeks...He likes it here...Weird he will not move on..
I call him Donald the Duck
Is he a Mallard?
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ryannon Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:57:38pm |
re: #19 Macha
Now I see him. He looks shy.
He's a toe guy. Meaning, watch yours when he's around. Not shy about nipping them at all!
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:59:17pm |
re: #18 ryannon
He must like you, Hoops.
Winston is fascinated by the Duck...He runs around the outside of the pool while Donald just swims around calmly..He likes it here...All the Canadian Geese and Ducks are long gone..He just hangs out
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:01:05am |
re: #22 HoosierHoops
Winston is fascinated by the Duck...He runs around the outside of the pool while Donald just swims around calmly..He likes it here...All the Canadian Geese and Ducks are long gone..He just hangs out
Do you remember the first episode of "The Sopranos"?
Tony gets all hung-up watching some ducks in his backyard....
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:01:08am |
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:01:29am |
re: #22 HoosierHoops
That is cool. Winston may jump in the pool one of these days.
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:02:12am |
re: #24 HoosierHoops
I think..Green head and a white circle around his neck...
Yep, sounds like a Mallard. No lady ducks in sight?
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freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:03:42am |
re: #17 ryannon
Just looked at the URL you had posted and deleted the obvious. You make a shadowbox by adding to the HTML:
rel="shadowbox"
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:04:09am |
re: #23 ryannon
Do you remember the first episode of "The Sopranos"?
Tony gets all hung-up watching some ducks in his backyard...
No..I didn't start watching until about the 3rd season..
I really need to check out the beginning..
Currently three kings is on the Big Screen (1999)
Ice Cube was on ESPN2 the other day..He rocks
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:04:14am |
I love them critters. I had a squirrel who decided to become a squatter last month. Took some work, but with strategy and certain doors open and closed, I was able to "guide" him to the great outdoors. It was a fun 15 minutes. He's just lookin' for a place to live like me. Why should I punish him/her for that with a death penalty?
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:05:36am |
re: #28 HoosierHoops
No..I didn't start watching until about the 3rd season..
I really need to check out the beginning..
Currently three kings is on the Big Screen (1999)
Ice Cube was on ESPN2 the other day..He rocks
The first episode with the ducks practically drives the whole series. Tony becomes depressed when they leave and goes into therapy over it. I guess you know the rest....
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:06:18am |
re: #27 freetoken
Just looked at the URL you had posted and deleted the obvious. You make a shadowbox by adding to the HTML:
err...thanks!
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:09:40am |
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:10:08am |
re: #32 Irenicum
Oh, and hi gang!
It's the Night Shift:
Abu Al-Poopypants
bratwurst
Cato the Elder
ClaudeMonet
freetoken
Gus 802
HoosierHoops
Irenicum
Macha
Nimed
ryannon
Slumbering Behemoth
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:10:11am |
I live in a neighborhood that's filled with birds of every sort. I love it. The chatter of the various winged denizens starts before the sun even comes up and doesn't end till the sun has already set. I wouldn't give that up for the world.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:11:43am |
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:11:57am |
Not to mention a few new faces I haven't seen before. Hi newbies, if that's what you are!
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:13:02am |
It is almost too quiet for a Friday. We need some music. I was just reading about jazz clubs in Paris. Maybe some mellow jazz would be in order.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:13:03am |
re: #29 Irenicum
I love them critters. I had a squirrel who decided to become a squatter last month. Took some work, but with strategy and certain doors open and closed, I was able to "guide" him to the great outdoors. It was a fun 15 minutes. He's just lookin' for a place to live like me. Why should I punish him/her for that with a death penalty?
As Uncle Toby said unto the fly—go, poor devil, get the gone, why should I hurt thee?—This world surely is wide enough to hold both thee and me.
--The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:13:13am |
re: #37 ryannon
Actually, it's Sat morn here too. I just count time by when I sleep, not when the clock decides. It's tomorrow when I wake up!
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:14:05am |
re: #40 Cato the Elder
Very nice Cato. My sentiments exactly.
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:14:14am |
re: #41 Irenicum
Actually, it's Sat morn here too. I just count time by when I sleep, not when the clock decides. It's tomorrow when I wake up!
Where is "here too"?
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:15:10am |
re: #41 Irenicum
Actually, it's Sat morn here too. I just count time by when I sleep, not when the clock decides. It's tomorrow when I wake up!
Me too. I'm on a 24-hour cycle, either awake or asleep nearly anytime. And nap like a cat in-between. Works for me!
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:15:55am |
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:16:10am |
re: #45 ryannon
I have a great internal clock. It just doesn't jive with any other clock.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:16:15am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:17:07am |
re: #47 Macha
We are on opposite sides of the country then. California here.
I was born and raised in California...Napa Valley..Where are you at?
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:17:10am |
re: #47 Macha
Never been out there. Close, but not quite to Calif.
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:18:16am |
re: #51 HoosierHoops
Northern San Diego County. I recall that you were from Napa. I grew up in Ukiah.
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:19:32am |
re: #52 Irenicum
Never been out there. Close, but not quite to Calif.
I've been to Boston once. Actually just passing through. My husband's brother lives in Conn.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:19:39am |
re: #53 Macha
As long as you didn't vote for the birther queen you'll be fine around here! ;)
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freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:19:40am |
Since we didn't have a Marvel comics thread tonight, this will have to do.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:20:07am |
re: #53 Macha
Northern San Diego County. I recall that you were from Napa. I grew up in Ukiah.
You lucky bastard! Who doesn't love SD?
/Hate I-5.. Blow it up!
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:20:16am |
re: #39 Macha
It is almost too quiet for a Friday. We need some music. I was just reading about jazz clubs in Paris. Maybe some mellow jazz would be in order.
Jazz is just too vast. One person's idea of it is not necessarily another's. It often works best with images. Here's Miles Davis and the NYC photos of Saul Leiter:
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:21:30am |
re: #55 Irenicum
As long as you didn't vote for the birther queen you'll be fine around here! ;)
LOL, she isn't, I started to say "my cup of tea" and then realized that would be a foot in mouth statement.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:21:33am |
re: #54 Macha
I did the same years ago. I saw Boston in passing on the way to Maine. It's great to live near enough now to see Boston in detail. It's a great town. Very diverse.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:22:59am |
re: #59 Macha
Ha! I'm a tea drinker myself more than coffee, but would never in a million years ID with the Tea Party mindset.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:25:12am |
OK, geek (and guy) mode is on. I just friended a very cute sportscaster in the Boston area on FB. Booyah!
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:27:50am |
So I was at the Paris Opera last night, for a representation of Rossini's The Lady of the Lake: grandiose!
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Kragar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:28:55am |
Adtraffic is popping up some AT&T u-verse ads when I load the page
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:29:17am |
For those wanting some music, here's some Robert Johnson with Sweet Home Chicago.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:29:51am |
re: #58 ryannon
Jazz is just too vast. One person's idea of it is not necessarily another's. It often works best with images. Here's Miles Davis and the NYC photos of Saul Leiter:
[Video]
Well Crap..I read an interview with Stanley Clarke today who Charles used to play with..I need to find the link and post it here.
It was awesome..He opened up about why he plays music...He said most musicians play to make money..A jazz man plays just for the music..Nothing else..Never for the money...
He also spoke about the period where he combined fusion and Jazz and was questioned about it..In fact several times I've posted here about Charles playing Fusion scales in those days...Very interesting article..I'll find it..It was in the entertainment section of the Indystar yesterday
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:30:53am |
re: #58 ryannon
Thanks. You read my mind. Ver-ree nice. The photos too. Good stuff. I'm going to go pour a glass of wine now. Sometimes I wish I still smoked. Some moments call for a cigarette.
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Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:31:33am |
re: #64 ryannon
So I was at the Paris Opera last night, for a representation of Rossini's The Lady of the Lake: grandiose!
Magnifique!
But the link didn't open up like Freetoken's.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:31:33am |
re: #68 Macha
Thanks. You read my mind. Ver-ree nice. The photos too. Good stuff. I'm going to go pour a glass of wine now. Sometimes I wish I still smoked. Some moments call for a cigarette.
Or a good cigar!
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:32:34am |
re: #64 ryannon
So I was at the Paris Opera last night, for a representation of Rossini's The Lady of the Lake: grandiose!
OMG, that is quite a room! How was the opera?
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:32:46am |
re: #67 HoosierHoops
Here is the link Charles
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:32:59am |
re: #69 Bagua
Magnifique!
But the link didn't open up like Freetoken's.
I just pasted the address from the top of the page into the little link icon. I'm not sure I've fully understood his instructions and I don't want to mess up again!
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:33:57am |
And my favorite big band song ever from Fletcher Henderson, Radio Rhythm. I spent years looking for this album and song.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:37:10am |
re: #68 Macha
Yeah, cigarette. That's right. That's what I was thinking. Yeah.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:37:54am |
How about some Roy Brown with Butcher Pete;
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:37:59am |
re: #66 Irenicum
Total treat time here tonight. First really laid back jazz and then blues. Yesssss indeed. Sweet music.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:39:06am |
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:41:10am |
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:41:33am |
re: #77 Macha
I grew up on Billie Holliday, so I love both the blues and jazz. I can never get enough.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:42:12am |
Evening, Lizardim. Sitting out on the porch and wondering if my laptop's gonna blow off my lap. How's everyone tonight?
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Kragar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:43:55am |
And from the 1950s, the mellow sounds of Ronnie Dio and the Prophets
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:43:58am |
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Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:46:01am |
re: #81 ryannon
If you press the "quote" button on my post, the code will appear in your post box. Just remove the blockquote tag at the beginning and end.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:46:12am |
re: #83 ~Fianna
Evening, Lizardim. Sitting out on the porch and wondering if my laptop's gonna blow off my lap. How's everyone tonight?
If that actually happens, tell me exactly what brand and model laptop you have, and where you bought it. I will sell my car to get that kind of action.
/sorry, had to. couldn't help it.
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Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:47:15am |
re: #83 ~Fianna
Evening, Lizardim. Sitting out on the porch and wondering if my laptop's gonna blow off my lap. How's everyone tonight?
Glad to hear someone is getting some action. Show off.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:49:29am |
Dylan was also presicnet about the Intenet in "Absoutely Sweet Marie":
[Link: www.vbox7.com...]
"...I was sittin' in jail when all my mail showed/a man can't give his address to bad company...."
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:50:45am |
re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth
If that actually happens, tell me exactly what brand and model laptop you have, and where you bought it. I will sell my car to get that kind of action.
/sorry, had to. couldn't help it.
That was FTW.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:51:47am |
re: #91 Irenicum
Guilty as charged, Lizard. Guilty as charged.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:52:21am |
re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth
I knew I liked this place for a reason.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:54:07am |
You know you're Goth when you hit "next song" on your media player and you get 3 consecutive different versions of "Gloomy Sunday", which, again, is not exactly FNDT music... unless your GAF.
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Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:54:45am |
re: #94 ~Fianna
Tis definitely the FNDT.
I was trying to find a song to match your Stones, but came up short. Right now the MP3 player has Over the Rhine, which isn't exactly ya, Friday!!
You speak of matching my stones and yet we have not met. You are assuming large I hope?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:55:05am |
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:55:21am |
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:55:48am |
re: #94 ~Fianna
I love Over the Rhine! My musical taste is quite diverse. I recorded one of their shows at Calvin College last year. The video isn't great, but the audio is pretty good. And the drum solo kicks ass!
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:57:08am |
re: #97 Bagua
You speak of matching my stones and yet we have not met. You are assuming large I hope?
*roflmao*
Yes, very large.
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Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:59:25am |
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:00:06am |
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:00:13am |
re: #99 Macha
Sounds a bit like Handel.
They were contemporaries and probably influenced one another....
Although what I posted are operas - written for voice and instruments - they also included dance.
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Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:00:52am |
re: #106 ~Fianna
Odd, there was more of that when I posted it.
...
Yes, I remember it being bigger too.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:01:11am |
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:02:29am |
re: #101 Irenicum
I love Over the Rhine! My musical taste is quite diverse. I recorded one of their shows at Calvin College last year. The video isn't great, but the audio is pretty good. And the drum solo kicks ass!
[Video]
Yay, someone else has heard of them. My (current) favorite:
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:04:07am |
re: #110 ~Fianna
I have most of the their albums. Drunkards Prayer and Trumpet Child are my favorites.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:04:47am |
re: #90 ralphieboy
Dylan was also presicnet about the Intenet in "Absoutely Sweet Marie":
[Link: www.vbox7.com...]
"...I was sittin' in jail when all my mail showed/a man can't give his address to bad company..."
He was prescient about everything. I mean, what did he miss? Nothing.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:05:23am |
re: #112 Irenicum
I have most of the their albums. Drunkards Prayer and Trumpet Child are my favorites.
Drunkard's Prayer is an awesome song.
I first saw them when they opened up for Cowboy Junkies. I had to elbow someone to get an album during the intermission. It was worth it.
Good Dog, Bad Dog is still one of my favorite albums ever.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:07:12am |
re: #113 ryannon
I've been listening to his newest album lately, Together Through Life. Most of the lyrics were written by Robert Hunter, who wrote for the Grateful Dead. One of the best damn lyricists out there.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:08:07am |
re: #115 ~Fianna
Singing lessons?
//ducks
I remember seeing Dylan play in Offenbach, Germany. He launched into a solo on a harmonica that was in the entirely wrong key...
But visionaries are forgiven for slight homan flaws.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:08:16am |
Okay. Is this some kind of mock Napoleon Dynamite sort of thing, or just a, well, uh...
I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel pity.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:08:31am |
re: #116 Irenicum
I've been listening to his newest album lately, Together Through Life. Most of the lyrics were written by Robert Hunter, who wrote for the Grateful Dead. One of the best damn lyricists out there.
Need to get that. I haven't been buying music lately.
Stupid recession.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:12:01am |
re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth
Okay. Is this some kind of mock Napoleon Dynamite sort of thing, or just a, well, uh...
I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel pity.
heh... I caused the '94 earthquake.
I was on IRC with a guy who lived in California and he was torturing me with how wonderful the weather was there (I was in BFE Upstate New York and it was freezing that night) and I told him that I wished he'd have an earthquake.
10 minutes later, his connection went dead. An hour later, there was a message on my answering machine telling me that he'd had an earthquake and it was a really big one.
My roommate seranaded me with Tori Amos' "Little Earthquakes" every time I walked in to a room for about 3 weeks after that.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:12:15am |
re: #119 ~Fianna
I have a book of his lyrics and poetry called Box of Rain. To this day one of my favorite books in my library.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:15:42am |
re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth
um, uh, wow. I suspect the young man may be somewhat impaired.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:16:35am |
re: #123 ~Fianna
Okay, that was odd.
Normally I just serve up the female Japanese singers, but I thought tonight it might be interesting for a change to try out some of the male singers from the post war era.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:17:19am |
re: #121 ~Fianna
I'll remember never to question your power again!
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:18:07am |
re: #115 ~Fianna
Singing lessons?
//ducks
re: #117 ralphieboy
I remember seeing Dylan play in Offenbach, Germany. He launched into a solo on a harmonica that was in the entirely wrong key...
But visionaries are forgiven for slight homan flaws.
For every fuckup, something spec-tac-ular. Sorry for the lame video, but Dylan singing Dylan is very hard to find on YouTube:
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:19:45am |
re: #126 Irenicum
I'll remember never to question your power again!
I honestly did feel bad, even though I rationally know that I have no way of calling an earthquake... although I can't deny that I've tried it out every now and again. (Un?)fortunately, not a repeatable phenomena, so science says not my fault. :)
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freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:21:45am |
Here is a particularly good singer, don't know his name, but the Youtube label (in Japanese) simply means "superb singing". I agree:
To me, so much of the traditional Japanese music is a type of lament. Even if you don't know the words, the nature of the singers are often melancholic.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:22:16am |
re: #121 ~Fianna
heh... I caused the '94 earthquake.
Lemme guess...
You're so fat, when you jump into the air you get stuck.
You're so fat, when you go to the movies you sit next to everyone.
You're so fat, one has to take a train and two buses just to get on your good side.
You're so fat, when you dance at a live concert the band skips.
/recycled "yo mamma" jokes
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:23:15am |
re: #128 ~Fianna
Your comment reminded me of that silly comment a while back from Deepak Chopra that his intense meditation had caused the recent Cali earthquake. The only thing larger than his bankbook is his ego it seems.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:23:36am |
re: #130 Slumbering Behemoth
Lemme guess...
You're so fat, when you dance at a live concert the band skips.
/recycled "yo mamma" jokes
Not when I dance, but I have thrown off Voltaire at a live show.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:23:52am |
re: #124 Irenicum
um, uh, wow. I suspect the young man may be somewhat impaired.
That, or he was doing a bit. So hard to tell these days. The internet is an odd place.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:24:14am |
re: #128 ~Fianna
BTW, I'm not saying that about you. Just sayin' it reminded me of Deepak's statement.
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Macha Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:24:58am |
Good music, good company. It's been a treat. Must say goodnight now. Enjoy the wee hours y'all.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:25:23am |
re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm amazed at how many hits the vid has gotten already. Kinda crazy.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:25:50am |
re: #122 Irenicum
I have a book of his lyrics and poetry called Box of Rain. To this day one of my favorite books in my library.
ripple in still water
where there is no pebble tossed
nor wind to blow.
Count the syllables - it's a Haiku.
Genius.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:26:10am |
re: #135 Macha
Wee will! (but not much longer for me, must sleep sometime)
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:27:04am |
re: #137 ralphieboy
That's one of my favorite songs of all time actually. And you're right. He's an absolute genius.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:28:35am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:29:23am |
Happy World Cup! England vs US today!
Also, Wingnuts Explain Inherent Anti-Americanism, Socialism of Soccer.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:30:35am |
re: #141 iceweasel
Happy World Cup! England vs US today!
Also, Wingnuts Explain Inherent Anti-Americanism, Socialism of Soccer.
Good morning! How are you at 4:30am? Oh never mind..*wink*
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:32:01am |
re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth
Ya mama got a glass eye with a fish in it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:32:51am |
re: #136 Irenicum
The internet is a weird place.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:33:11am |
re: #141 iceweasel
Happy World Cup! England vs US today!
Also, Wingnuts Explain Inherent Anti-Americanism, Socialism of Soccer.
I must admit that as an American I cannot understand a game where they play for 90 minutes and re satisfied to come away with an undecided.
At least in the final rounds they do penalty kicks to decide the outcome, which begs the question: why don't they just do away with the first 90 minutes and just start with the penalty kicks?
Then they can have the whole tournament wrapped up in the course of an afternoon/evening and we can get on with our lives...
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:34:11am |
re: #143 ~Fianna
[Video]
now I want to drag DH back to Upstate NY to go to the Ballston Spa Irish Fest.
Not that he'd think that was a good idea... He's heard the story about the last time I was there.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:36:31am |
re: #141 iceweasel
We don't have to try and mock the wingnuts anymore - they do it themselves in their own writing!
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:36:43am |
re: #147 ~Fianna
You wanna go to a cool Irish Fest, go to Chicago in September! I probably won't make it this year, but boy is it a blast! Crazy fun!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:36:46am |
re: #142 HoosierHoops
Good morning! How are you at 4:30am? Oh never mind..*wink*
Hey cutie! What's up? Jimmah also says hi. :)
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:37:36am |
re: #148 freetoken
Indeed. Wingnuts are inherently self-mocking.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:37:57am |
re: #148 freetoken
We don't have to try and mock the wingnuts anymore - they do it themselves in their own writing!
Seriously. They 'report', we deride.
It's getting too easy.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:39:50am |
re: #149 Irenicum
You wanna go to a cool Irish Fest, go to Chicago in September! I probably won't make it this year, but boy is it a blast! Crazy fun!
The one in Ballston is fun. It's relatively small and my ex-girlfriend's father often plays.
I had to get dragged away from the "unity" table though. Nationalists, beer and collaborators are probably not a good mix.
drunkenly yelling "26+6=1" is somewhat... incendiary.
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:42:34am |
re: #153 ~Fianna
Ha! Reminds me of my old neighborhood in NYC. I've seen more than enough of the 26+6=1 bumper stickers in my day. Let's just say my neighborhood helped fund the IRA quite a bit in the day.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:43:20am |
re: #153 ~Fianna
The one in Ballston is fun. It's relatively small and my ex-girlfriend's father often plays.
I had to get dragged away from the "unity" table though. Nationalists, beer and collaborators are probably not a good mix.
drunkenly yelling "26+6=1" is somewhat... incendiary.
It's what happens when they have no dark-skinned minorities to bash, they feel the need to start picking on other white people!
/
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:45:09am |
re: #153 ~Fianna
Are you familiar with Damien Dempsey? I saw him at the Chicago Irish fest a couple of years ago and immediately got hooked. Very political and a great lyricist in his own right.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:45:18am |
re: #152 iceweasel
Seriously. They 'report', we deride.
It's getting too easy.
You can't make this stuff up. Soccer is about "death and despair"? Under what rocks are they finding these people?
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:47:30am |
Wow. It's frikkin' late. As in it's early it's so late. See y'all later on kiddos!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:47:37am |
re: #141 iceweasel
Happy World Cup! England vs US today!
Also, Wingnuts Explain Inherent Anti-Americanism, Socialism of Soccer.
Stupid. Like any other sport, the team with the most scores on goal wins. Obviously that is of major importance.
The hockey comparison is apt.
I prefer hockey to futbol, I think soccer is lame. But there is no deeper political meaning to be found in either. It's a fucking game, nothing more.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:48:04am |
re: #154 Irenicum
Ha! Reminds me of my old neighborhood in NYC. I've seen more than enough of the 26+6=1 bumper stickers in my day. Let's just say my neighborhood helped fund the IRA quite a bit in the day.
When Black 47 does James Connolly it's really funny to watch the people who are just in the crowd being all abashed when they bring the portrait out on stage and everyone raises their fists. They don't get it.
For people who've seen Black 47 a lot, it's a really interactive show. For those who are just there, it's probably confusing.
FWIW, I have a relative I won't speak to anymore over the Irish issue. I'm a really staunch Irish Nationalist. Some of my family in Donegal are too... some of them... not so much.
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:48:37am |
re: #155 ralphieboy
It's what happens when they have no dark-skinned minorities to bash, they feel the need to start picking on other white people!
/
Eh, it becomes a debate over "white" at that point.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:49:21am |
re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth
Stupid. Like any other sport, the team with the most scores on goal wins. Obviously that is of major importance.
The hockey comparison is apt.
I prefer hockey to futbol, I think soccer is lame. But there is no deeper political meaning to be found in either. It's a fucking game, nothing more.
Right. I'm no fan of soccer. But like I mentioned yesterday. If I hated everything I thought was lame, as you put it, I think I'd be a rather miserable wanker.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:50:28am |
It's like people that write these long diatribes about American football and how it causes every imaginable social problem.
Footballs is about teh violence!111!!
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:54:23am |
Oh noz! They've infiltrated the US Army!!!1!1
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:55:55am |
re: #162 Gus 802
If I hated everything I disagreed with or thought was lame, I'd be in a bunker, writing my own music, and eating my own flesh for sustenance.
/Seriously, soccer is boring as shit. And yes, most Americans couldn't care less about it. But to infer all kinds of politically based crap from that? Someone really has to hate soccer to go there.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:59:01am |
re: #166 Slumbering Behemoth
In Wingnut-Land, one gets their I-Hate-Europe badge early in their NutScout training.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:59:48am |
re: #157 Gus 802
You can't make this stuff up. Soccer is about "death and despair"? Under what rocks are they finding these people?
Yeah, it's a symbol of socialism, existentialism, and anomie. Plus, brown people play it. :
[Link: gawker.com...]
The liberal media have always been uncomfortable with "American exceptionalism" - the belief that the United States is unique among nations, a leader and a force for good. And they are no happier with America's rejection of soccer than with its rejection of socialism.
Hence Americans are "xenophobic," "isolated" and lacking in understanding for other nations and their passion for "the planetary pastime," as Time magazine put it. But, they are confident, as America becomes more Hispanic, the nation will have to give in and adopt the immigrants' game. [...]
As healthcare reform and stimulus spending have underscored, if Europe jumped off a cliff, the American left would be right behind it. So it makes sense that the media's main argument for accepting soccer is that "everybody's doing it."
Insane. But what else should we expect in a time where we make a candidate's liking for dijon mustard-- that super fancy, rare, expensive and elitist condiment unknown to the Heartland -- a referendum on their masculinity and 'authenticity'?
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:00:30am |
re: #166 Slumbering Behemoth
If I hated everything I disagreed with or thought was lame, I'd be in a bunker, writing my own music, and eating my own flesh for sustenance.
/Seriously, soccer is boring as shit. And yes, most Americans couldn't care less about it. But to infer all kinds of politically based crap from that? Someone really has to hate soccer to go there.
Socialism!
Oligarhy!
Communism!
Collectivism!
Einstein (he was a communist)!
Red Chinese!
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:01:29am |
re: #169 Gus 802
Socialism!
Oligarhy!
Communism!
Collectivism!
Einstein (he was a communist)!
Red Chinese!
Glenn, is that you?
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freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:03:01am |
Well, so much for my rather specialized tastes in music - I guess the low view-counts on Youtube should be my clue.
So, here is a video with over 7 million hits on Youtube! Must be popular:
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:03:06am |
re: #170 ~Fianna
Glenn, is that you?
It's true!!1 I read the book!1!! Can't you see? Soccer leads to communism and sodomy!11
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~Fianna Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:03:53am |
re: #172 Gus 802
It's true!!1 I read the book!1!! Can't you see? Soccer leads to communism and sodomy!11
Apparently I need to watch more soccer.
I always miss out on the good stuff.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:05:16am |
re: #167 freetoken
In Wingnut-Land, one gets their I-Hate-Europe badge early in their NutScout training.
And this accounts for the American far-right cottoning to Euro-fascists how?
/the don't hate all things European. Just sayin'.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:05:20am |
All politics aside, I really have trouble with league play here in EUrope: there are times when it is in both teams' interest to get one goal each and then play out the rest of the game as a tie, I have seen matches where they literally stand on the ball, killing time.
And I guess that deep down inside, it still strikes me as un-American
And I heard that a lot of Americans had trouble with the traiditon of swapping sweat-soaked jerseys with opposing temas at the end games. I guess it is this thing with the incorruptibility of our bodily fluids again...
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:05:44am |
re: #168 iceweasel
Insane. But what else should we expect in a time where we make a candidate's liking for dijon mustard-- that super fancy, rare, expensive and elitist condiment unknown to the Heartland -- a referendum on their masculinity and 'authenticity'?
Quick. Someone tell all of those European soccer hooligans they're elitists!
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:06:25am |
re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth
And this accounts for the American far-right cottoning to Euro-fascists how?
/the don't hate all things European. Just sayin'.
They just hate "Old Europe". Muslim-bashing hatemongers are considered "New Europe".
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:07:26am |
re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth
Stupid. Like any other sport, the team with the most scores on goal wins. Obviously that is of major importance.
The hockey comparison is apt.
I prefer hockey to futbol, I think soccer is lame. But there is no deeper political meaning to be found in either. It's a fucking game, nothing more.
The wingnut meme is that soccer is inherently antiamerican and socialist, and that all ads for it or articles promoting it (or written about it in a positive way) represent the Liberal Elite Media trying to ram a socialist ideology down the wingnut throat. It's diverse, multi-cultural, lowscoring, and played by brown people, therefore it is unamerican.
Seriously check out the NewsBusters link, it's chock full of pieces from the Weekly Standard, First Things, and other places all telling us about the evils of soccer.
This reminds me of another wingnut trend-- analysing pop culture generally for signs of liberal bias. Like grading every new film as if it's about teh liberal agenda.
Sometimes a movie is just a movie; a soccer ball is just a soccer ball even if the rest of the world calls it a football.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:07:30am |
re: #141 iceweasel
Happy World Cup! England vs US today!
Also, Wingnuts Explain Inherent Anti-Americanism, Socialism of Soccer.
Oh my God this is GREAT!
Thanks, ice. I grew up mostly in Portugal, so I kind of couldn't help soccer becoming my favorite sport. To this day.
But I never thought I could get my hands on the wingnut perspective of it. And it's really all one could hope for.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:08:10am |
re: #178 ralphieboy
Doubtful. One would have to be brand new to think that.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:08:18am |
re: #178 ralphieboy
They just hate "Old Europe". Muslim-bashing hatemongers are considered "New Europe".
I think their concept of Europe is based on My Fair Lady.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:08:21am |
re: #169 Gus 802
Socialism!
Oligarhy!
Communism!
Collectivism!
Einstein (he was a communist)!
Red Chinese!
LOL
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:10:02am |
re: #179 iceweasel
The wingnut meme is that soccer is inherently antiamerican and socialist, and that all ads for it or articles promoting it (or written about it in a positive way) represent the Liberal Elite Media trying to ram a socialist ideology down the wingnut throat. It's diverse, multi-cultural, lowscoring, and played by brown people, therefore it is unamerican.
Seriously check out the NewsBusters link, it's chock full of pieces from the Weekly Standard, First Things, and other places all telling us about the evils of soccer.
This reminds me of another wingnut trend-- analysing pop culture generally for signs of liberal bias. Like grading every new film as if it's about teh liberal agenda.
Sometimes a movie is just a movie; a soccer ball is just a soccer ball even if the rest of the world calls it a football.
That's funny. You know who one of the sponsors is for the US Mens team?
Castrol
Another one is Budweiser. Right... elitism. Yep, sure.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:10:24am |
re: #145 ralphieboy
At least in the final rounds they do penalty kicks to decide the outcome, which begs the question: why don't they just do away with the first 90 minutes and just start with the penalty kicks?
HERESY!!1!!1!1
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:11:47am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:12:37am |
re: #184 Gus 802
That's funny. You know who one of the sponsors is for the US Mens team?
Castrol
Another one is Budweiser. Right... elitism. Yep, sure.
Heh. I updated my post to hat-tip you, btw:
Update: Top LGF researcher Gus802 finds Glenn Beck's chalkboard and all is revealed.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:12:45am |
re: #179 iceweasel
This is a "King of the Hill" episode, right? Who gives that much of a shit about soccer? It's lame. It's a game. It's a lame game. What did Orwell write about soccer?
/Oh, that's right. It's just a game, not a nefarious, oppressive political movement. FFS!
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:13:54am |
Some sponsors are companies that make products for the working class: McDonald's, Hyundai, Castrol, Budweiser...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:16:37am |
re: #189 Gus 802
Working class people the world over love crappy soccer. I can not fathom why, but to each their own.
Perhaps Beck can enlighten us all about it's insidious, political nature.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:17:01am |
re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth
This is a "King of the Hill" episode, right? Who gives that much of a shit about soccer? It's lame. It's a game. It's a lame game.
:(
Well, it's an educated taste
Watch a bit of this, and tell me it does nothing for you
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:21:04am |
re: #192 Nimed
Well, it's an educated taste
The fuck it is. It's just a damn game that appeals to some but not to others. Calling the appreciation of it an "educated taste" is exactly the kind of munted ideology that the far-right idiotarians are trying to play on here.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:21:11am |
re: #191 Slumbering Behemoth
Working class people the world over love crappy soccer. I can not fathom why, but to each their own.
Perhaps Beck can enlighten us all about it's insidious, political nature.
They like it because all you need is the ball. No equipment. Can be played anywhere, with any number of people, or even practiced alone. It requires skill and coordination. What's there not to like?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:23:50am |
re: #180 Nimed
Oh my God this is GREAT!
Thanks, ice. I grew up mostly in Portugal, so I kind of couldn't help soccer becoming my favorite sport. To this day.
But I never thought I could get my hands on the wingnut perspective of it. And it's really all one could hope for.
i was pretty flippant in posting about it, but I would urge people to check out the newsbusters link only because it shows that this isn't one or two angry wingnuts ranting somewhere, but a fairly widespread phenom in wingnuttia-- claiming soccer is antiamerican and serves the seekrit socialist agenda.
It's also part of a larger trend on the right of looking for seekrit political agendas everywhere-- sports, movies, pop culture. The paranoia that finds its full flowering in the Birch Society, OathKeeper movement, Michelle Bachmann, tea partiers and Glenn Beck is most definitely present in budding form all over the right currently.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:25:27am |
re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth
The fuck it is. It's just a damn game that appeals to some but not to others. Calling the appreciation of it an "educated taste" is exactly the kind of munted ideology that the far-right idiotarians are trying to play on here.
It's just a cultural taste. Whatever one grows up around.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:25:54am |
re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth
The fuck it is. It's just a damn game that appeals to some but not to others. Calling the appreciation of it an "educated taste" is exactly the kind of munted ideology that the far-right idiotarians are trying to play on here.
How so? I don't like baseball or cricket; I am fully willing to believe that liking them is an educated taste and I lack the education. Read 'acquired' or 'informed' here for 'educated' and I think you have the genuine meaning of Nimed's statement.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:28:12am |
re: #194 ryannon
They like it because all you need is the ball. No equipment. Can be played anywhere, with any number of people, or even practiced alone. It requires skill and coordination.
They like it because they like it. Full stop. To throw in anything else as explanation is pointless. I like eggs for breakfast rather than cereal. It's a similarity of preference that should not be over thought.
What's there not to like?
It bores me to tears. I'll have the eggs, please.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:28:55am |
re: #197 iceweasel
How so? I don't like baseball or cricket; I am fully willing to believe that liking them is an educated taste and I lack the education. Read 'acquired' or 'informed' here for 'educated' and I think you have the genuine meaning of Nimed's statement.
You mean like "the nuances of baseball"? Some people really take baseball very seriously and know stats, names, dates, plays, players, etc. Some of them will even brush of casual fans as being "ignorant" of the game. Their scene so I guess it's cool. People will do that with music or anything else.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:32:07am |
Let's not forget. The primary function of sports (or sport as the British would say) is to get drunk.
/
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:33:16am |
re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth
The fuck it is. It's just a damn game that appeals to some but not to others. Calling the appreciation of it an "educated taste" is exactly the kind of munted ideology that the far-right idiotarians are trying to play on here.
re: #197 iceweasel
How so? I don't like baseball or cricket; I am fully willing to believe that liking them is an educated taste and I lack the education. Read 'acquired' or 'informed' here for 'educated' and I think you have the genuine meaning of Nimed's statement.
Probably not the best expression, but Gus clarified what I meant by "educated taste". You grow up with it, you like it. It's that simple. :)
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:33:42am |
Nike TV Spot: Eric Cantona (the brightest, funniest man in sports) and the Devil
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:33:50am |
re: #195 iceweasel
i was pretty flippant in posting about it, but I would urge people to check out the newsbusters link only because it shows that this isn't one or two angry wingnuts ranting somewhere, but a fairly widespread phenom in wingnuttia-- claiming soccer is antiamerican and serves the seekrit socialist agenda.
It's also part of a larger trend on the right of looking for seekrit political agendas everywhere-- sports, movies, pop culture. The paranoia that finds its full flowering in the Birch Society, OathKeeper movement, Michelle Bachmann, tea partiers and Glenn Beck is most definitely present in budding form all over the right currently.
Thanks. Will do. :D
This is great.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:34:39am |
re: #199 Gus 802
You mean like "the nuances of baseball"? Some people really take baseball very seriously and know stats, names, dates, plays, players, etc. Some of them will even brush of casual fans as being "ignorant" of the game. Their scene so I guess it's cool. People will do that with music or anything else.
Yeah, that's the people I'm talking about. Whatever-- they can say all this stuff about the beauty of the game, I have no problem believing that there's stuff to appreciate there even if I don't and even if I have no interest in it. So what? Many people like that stuff and find meaning in it, good for them.
Honestly I sort of feel like it as I do about music or art or religion or for that matter sex. People like what they like, arguments about preferences being 'better' are subjective and stupid.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:34:42am |
re: #197 iceweasel
How so? I don't like baseball or cricket; I am fully willing to believe that liking them is an educated taste and I lack the education. Read 'acquired' or 'informed' here for 'educated' and I think you have the genuine meaning of Nimed's statement.
You may have something of a point there, but where I think this analogy fails is the part where you have to be taught to enjoy it. That your lack of appreciation is due to lack of education. You either like some form of entertainment, or you don't. It's completely subjective.
I can name several things that thrilled me immediately without any previous knowledge or education on the subject.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:35:08am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:39:19am |
re: #201 Nimed
Probably not the best expression, but Gus clarified what I meant by "educated taste". You grow up with it, you like it. It's that simple. :)
"Educated taste" is a piss poor expression for something so banal as the sport of soccer. It is exactly what the "SOCKAR IZ FER EEL33TISS" crowd wants to hear from you soccer fans. "Cultural taste" is a much better expression.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:41:03am |
re: #204 iceweasel
Yeah, that's the people I'm talking about. Whatever-- they can say all this stuff about the beauty of the game, I have no problem believing that there's stuff to appreciate there even if I don't and even if I have no interest in it. So what? Many people like that stuff and find meaning in it, good for them.
Honestly I sort of feel like it as I do about music or art or religion or for that matter sex. People like what they like, arguments about preferences being 'better' are subjective and stupid.
Yep. When I was younger I'd always open up my big mouth and say something like "oh I hate country music!" Or Disco or whatever it was that I "hated." Later I finally realized that besides being rude it's pointless. There's no point in my expressing what I don't like. I think one of the major points in life is to express what you like.
When I had a TV I went through stages of watching tennis, footballs, baseball, and once followed the Lakers during one playoff season and was thrilled with the game of basketball. Next season? Didn't watch.
I also became a 49ers fanatic while I was living in San Francisco. I was sort of anti-footballs during my "oh I listen to Bob Dylan" stage. Then I found myself really loving the game.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:42:39am |
re: #207 Slumbering Behemoth
"Educated taste" is a piss poor expression for something so banal as the sport of soccer. It is exactly what the "SOCKAR IZ FER EEL33TISS" crowd wants to hear from you soccer fans. "Cultural taste" is a much better expression.
Alright dude, relax. Soccer is a sport of the masses, nothing elitist about it. I mean, you only have to take a glance of your typical soccer fan to figure that out. Now watch this:
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:45:02am |
re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth
You may have something of a point there, but where I think this analogy fails is the part where you have to be taught to enjoy it. That your lack of appreciation is due to lack of education.
The problem here is the conflation of the term 'education' with 'formal education' or even 'teaching', when what is meant is something like 'acquired knowledge'-- e.g., the kind of knowledge that one acquires through immersion in a culture.
This is one of the wingnut triumphs, btw-- not only have they disseminated a general anti-intellectualism and distrust of formal education, they've succeeded in turning words like 'education' or 'culture' into pavlovian signals for 'elitism' and 'evil liberal'.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:45:06am |
re: #206 Nimed
Cantona was a genius, but the dude had quite a temper...
With a family and background like his, it's no wonder. You don't mess with guys like him:
Although it has been suggested that he was born in Paris,[3] Cantona was actually born in Marseille to Albert Cantona and Eleonore Raurich. The family home was a cave atop one of the hills in the Caillols area of Marseille, between the city's 11th and 12th arrondissements, and it was rumoured to have been used as a look-out post for the German army towards the end of the Second World War. The site was chosen in the mid-1950s by Cantona's paternal grandmother, Lucienne, whose husband, Joseph, was a stonemason. By the time Cantona was born in 1966, the hillside cave had become little more than a room in the family's house, which was now up to a liveable standard. Cantona has two brothers: Jean-Marie, who is four years older; and Joël, who is 17 months younger.
Cantona came from a family of immigrants: his paternal grandfather, Joseph, had immigrated to Marseille from Sardinia, while his mother's parents had been Catalan separatists. Pedro Raurich, Cantona's maternal grandfather, was fighting the armies of General Franco in the Spanish Civil War in 1938 when he suffered a serious injury to his liver, and he had to retreat to France for medical treatment with his wife Paquita. The Raurichs stayed in Saint-Priest, Ardèche, before settling in Marseille.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:46:03am |
You know, quiche is considered rough-and-ready peasant food in France, but in America it was considered pansy and elitist. That is just our view of things.
For those of you who lack enlightenment on Soccer, the Onion has summed it up nicely:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:50:03am |
re: #209 Nimed
Alright dude, relax.
NO! I AM GOING TO FUCKING RAGE AT YOU UNTIL MY LUNGS ASPLODE!!!
Relax yourself. I'm trying to help you out here. Claiming that watching a group of folks kicking at a ball requires an "Educated Taste" only serves to bolster the morons who call the sport elitist.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:50:15am |
Billy Connolly Football At Hamden Park
A better assessment of football (er soccer) then from the mentally challenged at Newsbusters.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:51:16am |
re: #210 iceweasel
The problem here is the conflation of the term 'education' with 'formal education' or even 'teaching', when what is meant is something like 'acquired knowledge'-- e.g., the kind of knowledge that one acquires through immersion in a culture.
This is one of the wingnut triumphs, btw-- not only have they disseminated a general anti-intellectualism and distrust of formal education, they've succeeded in turning words like 'education' or 'culture' into pavlovian signals for 'elitism' and 'evil liberal'.
Exactly. Why study if you're born with a gut?
Not to mention that the notion that a sport 5 year old Brazilian kids play barefooted in the streets requires a formal education is pretty laughable.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:52:37am |
"I prefer to play and lose rather than win, because I know in advance I'm going to win."
- Eric Cantona
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:55:05am |
re: #212 ralphieboy
You know, quiche is considered rough-and-ready peasant food in France, but in America it was considered pansy and elitist. That is just our view of things.
For those of you who lack enlightenment on Soccer, the Onion has summed it up nicely:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
lol
Reaching sizes of up to 90 by 120 meters, the field, or "pitch," is actually larger than that of any other court or field sport in the world, a clear case of overcompensation if there ever was one
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:57:37am |
re: #210 iceweasel
The problem here is the conflation of the term 'education' with 'formal education' or even 'teaching', when what is meant is something like 'acquired knowledge'-- e.g., the kind of knowledge that one acquires through immersion in a culture.
This is one of the wingnut triumphs, btw-- not only have they disseminated a general anti-intellectualism and distrust of formal education, they've succeeded in turning words like 'education' or 'culture' into pavlovian signals for 'elitism' and 'evil liberal'.
The analogy still fails on this:
There are many thrills in life that one immediately acquires an appreciation for without having to be taught, culturally immersed, or otherwise trained to appreciate said thrills.
If that analogy held true, no one would have sex in certain cultures, much less even look directly at their own genitials.
Specific sports like soccer appeal to the people who like it. There is no more than that.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:04:30am |
re: #218 Slumbering Behemoth
The analogy still fails on this:
There are many thrills in life that one immediately acquires an appreciation for without having to be taught, culturally immersed, or otherwise trained to appreciate said thrills.
If that analogy held true, no one would have sex in certain cultures, much less even look directly at their own genitials.
Specific sports like soccer appeal to the people who like it. There is no more than that.
Maybe yes and maybe no. The USA actually acquired a taste for bicycle racing over a period of time and it was largely induced not only by the already increasing interest in cycling but by the success of Lance Armstrong in the Tour de France. Thus bicycle racing was largely an evolving interest in a sport that held little interest to Americans before that.
Snowboarding as a spectator sport also saw a great deal of evolution with American audiences if not the world.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:09:01am |
Really. All this talk of a common game like soccer being an educated taste, and dissecting what the term "educated taste" means in relation to such a banal sport smacks of the same stank of those who want pick apart soccer for having hidden socialist or nihilist under/overtones. Pointless.
It's just a bunch of squirrels trying to get at a nut. You either like to watch it, or you don't.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:10:48am |
re: #208 Gus 802
Yep. When I was younger I'd always open up my big mouth and say something like "oh I hate country music!" Or Disco or whatever it was that I "hated." Later I finally realized that besides being rude it's pointless. There's no point in my expressing what I don't like. I think one of the major points in life is to express what you like.
When I had a TV I went through stages of watching tennis, footballs, baseball, and once followed the Lakers during one playoff season and was thrilled with the game of basketball. Next season? Didn't watch.
I also became a 49ers fanatic while I was living in San Francisco. I was sort of anti-footballs during my "oh I listen to Bob Dylan" stage. Then I found myself really loving the game.
First paragraph--That's pretty much exactly like me. Also I grew up enough to realise that I might be inadvertently hurting people's feelings by such declarations, as well as realising the sheer pointless nature of any argument.
Second two-- Well, not the same teams or sports, but yeah, same. Tennis, World Cup and hockey for me.
I don't even like football but I love the whole SuperBowl thing, same with the World Series or the Triple Crown. The social aspect of having a party or going to one and watching it. I sort of feel that way about sports generally-- I like the social aspects, the yearly ritual, going to playoff or finals games with people or hosting/attending parties. And I can see that the sports themselves have some intrinsic appeal for other people. It's also true that if you played the sport you tend to appreciate it differently than someone who merely has watched it, just as musicians appreciate music differently than those who haven't played the instrument/any instrument. It's in no way elitist to point out that familiarity leads to knowledge.
I think hunting for political agendas and ideologies in sports preference is as insane as looking for it in a candidate's lettuce preference. (bonus fun fact, arugula is called 'rocket' in the UK, and is pretty damned common even for soccer hooligans....)
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windsagio Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:11:53am |
re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth
I always have the pet theory that it's about the fact that there are no real competing sports in most of the countries that love it.
What're they gonna watch, Cricket?
(You are of course right, in actuality tho :P)
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:14:24am |
re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth
Really. All this talk of a common game like soccer being an educated taste, and dissecting what the term "educated taste" means in relation to such a banal sport[..]
You either like to watch it, or you don't.
Inconsistency bolded for ease of access.
Either you think it's subjective, or you don't.
If it's subjective, you can only assert: "I think (or feel) soccer is a banal sport."
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:15:03am |
re: #221 iceweasel
First paragraph--That's pretty much exactly like me. Also I grew up enough to realise that I might be inadvertently hurting people's feelings by such declarations, as well as realising the sheer pointless nature of any argument.
Second two-- Well, not the same teams or sports, but yeah, same. Tennis, World Cup and hockey for me.
I don't even like football but I love the whole SuperBowl thing, same with the World Series or the Triple Crown. The social aspect of having a party or going to one and watching it. I sort of feel that way about sports generally-- I like the social aspects, the yearly ritual, going to playoff or finals games with people or hosting/attending parties. And I can see that the sports themselves have some intrinsic appeal for other people. It's also true that if you played the sport you tend to appreciate it differently than someone who merely has watched it, just as musicians appreciate music differently than those who haven't played the instrument/any instrument. It's in no way elitist to point out that familiarity leads to knowledge.
I think hunting for political agendas and ideologies in sports preference is as insane as looking for it in a candidate's lettuce preference. (bonus fun fact, arugula is called 'rocket' in the UK, and is pretty damned common even for soccer hooligans...)
My ex-gf the demure private schooled special education teacher from Englewood, NJ became a hockey fan (last time I talked to her) by way of her friend who was going to University of Denver. Now that was a surprise.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:15:52am |
re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth
Really. All this talk of a common game like soccer being an educated taste, and dissecting what the term "educated taste" means in relation to such a banal sport smacks of the same stank of those who want pick apart soccer for having hidden socialist or nihilist under/overtones. Pointless.
It's just a bunch of squirrels trying to get at a nut. You either like to watch it, or you don't.
I enjoy the Proustian display of modern existentialist football.
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windsagio Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:16:04am |
re: #223 iceweasel
First day results being a 0-0 tie and a 1-1 tie is pretty banal :p
/but I'm just making trouble!
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Kragar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:17:27am |
re: #226 windsagio
First day results being a 0-0 tie and a 1-1 tie is pretty banal :p
/but I'm just making trouble!
Know what would really make things interesting?
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windsagio Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:17:55am |
re: #227 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Know what would really make things interesting?
Goalkeepers with paintball guns?
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Kragar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:18:46am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:19:33am |
re: #223 iceweasel
Inconsistency bolded for ease of access.
Either you think it's subjective, or you don't.
If it's subjective, you can only assert: "I think (or feel) soccer is a banal sport."
Banal in the sense that it is commonplace, evidentiary by it's world-wide practice and popularity.
The appreciation for the sport is subjective, and I have displayed no inconsistency on this subject.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:20:53am |
re: #219 Gus 802
The USA actually acquired a taste for bicycle racing over a period of time and it was largely induced not only by the already increasing interest in cycling but by the success of Lance Armstrong in the Tour de France. Thus bicycle racing was largely an evolving interest in a sport that held little interest to Americans before that.
Right, nothing succeeds like success. The US has a chance to make it through the group stage. If there are no upsets, England will most likely grab the 1st spot. Slovenia and Algeria are accessible, though.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:22:07am |
re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth
Banal in the sense that it is commonplace, evidentiary by it's world-wide practice and popularity.
The appreciation for the sport is subjective, and I have displayed no inconsistency on this subject.
So banal==popular? ELITIST!
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:22:25am |
re: #225 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I enjoy the Proustian display of modern existentialist football.
[Video]
The simulacra to American football is most fascinating. It's almost like a Kantian juxtaposition of the New World against old Europe or a trombone in the Vienna Philharmonic versus the trombone of Duke Ellington's orchestra.
/Golf clap.
/
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:22:54am |
*Stumbles in, hair mussed, coffee mug in hand*
Mornin', early risers. What's the good word?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:23:05am |
re: #224 Gus 802
My ex-gf the demure private schooled special education teacher from Englewood, NJ became a hockey fan (last time I talked to her) by way of her friend who was going to University of Denver. Now that was a surprise.
Heh. I like her!
Yeah, I like hockey. Don't currently follow it.
Jimmah and I are watching the US v UK match in a pub today. He's rooting for the US. I'm undecided.
(I may root for the Uk just to annoy the UK expats rooting for the UK, just as Jimmah wants to root for the US partly to confound the Americans rooting for the UK and he's looking forward to the UK fallout in the press if the US wins. Butthurt football hooligans writing the traditional incoherent screeds demanding the drawing and quartering of the England manager, etc.)
In truth, I will be extremely happy if the US wins today.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:23:57am |
re: #233 Gus 802
The simulacra to American football is most fascinating. It's almost like a Kantian juxtaposition of the New World against old Europe or a trombone in the Vienna Philharmonic versus the trombone of Duke Ellington's orchestra.
/Golf clap.
/
So...I'm opening a boutique.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:24:37am |
re: #232 Nimed
So banal==popular?
Commonplace.
ELITIST!
Wait, what? Never mind, I see what you did there.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:24:42am |
re: #235 iceweasel
Heh. I like her!
Yeah, I like hockey. Don't currently follow it.Jimmah and I are watching the US v UK match in a pub today. He's rooting for the US. I'm undecided.
(I may root for the Uk just to annoy the UK expats rooting for the UK, just as Jimmah wants to root for the US partly to confound the Americans rooting for the UK and he's looking forward to the UK fallout in the press if the US wins. Butthurt football hooligans writing the traditional incoherent screeds demanding the drawing and quartering of the England manager, etc.)
In truth, I will be extremely happy if the US wins today.
Incoherent screeds! Hey, I heard American Thinker is taking applications. Maybe they can apply.
/
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:26:39am |
re: #236 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
So...I'm opening a boutique.
But you must call me Bruno dahlink.
/
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:30:04am |
re: #234 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
*Stumbles in, hair mussed, coffee mug in hand*
Mornin', early risers. What's the good word?
Soccer (or futbal) and how it causes entropy or Communism in controlled test populations. That and something about education. Also, Newbusters has announced a Fatwah against futbal.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:37:34am |
re: #235 iceweasel
Heh. I like her!
Yeah, I like hockey. Don't currently follow it.Jimmah and I are watching the US v UK match in a pub today. He's rooting for the US. I'm undecided.
(I may root for the Uk just to annoy the UK expats rooting for the UK, just as Jimmah wants to root for the US partly to confound the Americans rooting for the UK and he's looking forward to the UK fallout in the press if the US wins. Butthurt football hooligans writing the traditional incoherent screeds demanding the drawing and quartering of the England manager, etc.)
In truth, I will be extremely happy if the US wins today.
When the time comes, will you resist rooting for the old U.S. of A.?
Portugal kicked England's butt in this memorable game:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:39:30am |
Well, time for me to knock off. Be well, all.
/and thus concludes another episode of "Soccer is just another sport that some people like to watch. It has no inherent political ideology, no power to take over the world, turn your children into sissies, nor magically make you or your children culturally sophisticated".
//It's just a fucking game, y'all. You either enjoy watching those squirrels chase that nut, or you don't.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:40:19am |
re: #241 Gus 802
SilenceSoccer = Death -- Newsbusters
AHAHAHAHA!
hey, trollcats took note of Reason magazine's idiotic "everybody draw mohammed day":
[Link: trollcats.com...]
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:40:35am |
re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth
Just in case people didn't get the message in your previous 294 posts.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:43:20am |
re: #245 Nimed
Evidently, some people simply could not. Later dude.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:46:52am |
re: #240 Gus 802
Soccer (or futbal) and how it causes entropy or Communism in controlled test populations. That and something about education. Also, Newbusters has announced a Fatwah against futbal.
Soccer? Is that all?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:47:05am |
Who actually thinks that liking soccer makes you 'culturally sophisticated'?
I know a lot of wingnuts have written screeds claiming liberals say this, but I haven't seen anyone actually say that.
I would also like an explanation of why liking this game is somehow unamerican. Haven't we heard a shitload about the so-called soccer-mom vote and its vital importance?
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:47:13am |
re: #244 iceweasel
AHAHAHAHA!
hey, trollcats took note of Reason magazine's idiotic "everybody draw mohammed day":
[Link: trollcats.com...]
Yeah, I was kind of ambivalent about that whole thing. I watched a few videos on Youtube about that an while I was watching Thunderf00t I thought, "OK, you guys are taking this thing way to seriously." Out on the street nobody even knew or cared.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:47:29am |
Point is, if you harbor a deep hatred and aversion towards someone/something/somewhere, you look for things to criticize in everything they say or do, like their preferred sport or preferred type of mustard.
It has nothing to do with reason on consistency, it is just an excuse for spewing venom and spleen.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:50:15am |
re: #248 iceweasel
Who actually thinks that liking soccer makes you 'culturally sophisticated'?
I know a lot of wingnuts have written screeds claiming liberals say this, but I haven't seen anyone actually say that.I would also like an explanation of why liking this game is somehow unamerican. Haven't we heard a shitload about the so-called soccer-mom vote and its vital importance?
Good point! I guess from now on it's...
Soccer mom... RINO!
//Well, at least according to Newsbusters.
/
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:51:19am |
re: #251 Gus 802
Good point! I guess from now on it's...
Soccer mom... RINO!
//Well, at least according to Newsbusters.
/
Soccer mom = bad
NASCAR dad = good
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windsagio Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:52:58am |
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:53:04am |
re: #252 ralphieboy
Soccer mom = bad
NASCAR dad = good
Unless you're a Jeff Gordon fan...or Jimmie Johnson fan...or Kyle Bush fan...or Dale Jr fan...
///
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:53:24am |
re: #249 Gus 802
Yeah, I was kind of ambivalent about that whole thing. I watched a few videos on Youtube about that an while I was watching Thunderf00t I thought, "OK, you guys are taking this thing way to seriously." Out on the street nobody even knew or cared.
I just thought it was dumb. Basically thought John Cole got it right.
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:54:00am |
re: #253 windsagio
Speaking of things I don't understand...
Then you have just outed yourself as an elitist.
/
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windsagio Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:54:59am |
re: #256 ralphieboy
That should already be quite clear :D
Specifically I dont' get how its a race if its speed-controlled on a circular track.
Now rally is freakin' fun to watch (if you limit yourself to the good bits)
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:56:03am |
re: #255 iceweasel
I just thought it was dumb. Basically thought John Cole got it right.
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
Everyone draw Nick Gillespie Day! Heck, you can do that with your eyes closed. He's always wearing the same jacket, shirt and pants.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:58:48am |
re: #258 Gus 802
Everyone draw Nick Gillespie Day! Heck, you can do that with your eyes closed. He's always wearing the same jacket, shirt and pants.
Heh. The Fonzie of Freedom!11!
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:59:02am |
Yep, here's Nick wearing that same outfit for the millionth time. Not only that but they're pimping Andrew "Lincoln was a tyrant" Napolitano.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:00:17am |
re: #259 iceweasel
Heh. The Fonzie of Freedom!11!
You know. If you wear the same thing all the time even if you have 500 pairs of the same outfit people will start smelling things that aren't there. It's like Smell-O-Vision every time I see him.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:08:58am |
re: #260 Gus 802
Yep, here's Nick wearing that same outfit for the millionth time. Not only that but they're pimping Andrew "Lincoln was a tyrant" Napolitano.
Wheee! I love Andy. /
I'm saving this for other assorted random bigots and haters, btw.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:14:05am |
re: #262 iceweasel
Spoken like someone with dual citizenship.
/
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:15:31am |
re: #248 iceweasel
Who actually thinks that liking soccer makes you 'culturally sophisticated'?
I know a lot of wingnuts have written screeds claiming liberals say this, but I haven't seen anyone actually say that.I would also like an explanation of why liking this game is somehow unamerican. Haven't we heard a shitload about the so-called soccer-mom vote and its vital importance?
Wingnuts can be classified in 3 elementary kinds:
- the economics wingnut (Ron Paul, Ayn Rand types)
- the national security wingnut (no torture? what about THE TICKING TIME BOMB SCENARIO??!? Jack Bauer, Dick Cheney)
- The SoCon wingnut (Chuck Norris, Sarah Palin, Jesus. By descending order of importance)
Analysis of soccer are the specialty of this last type. For the SoCon wingnut, every little fucking preference in your life has a hidden political meaning. The sports you like to watch or play, your favorite books, your cell phone, your car, the way you like your coffee, where you spend your vacation, and so on, down to your favorite type of underwear.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:16:47am |
re: #262 iceweasel
Wheee! I love Andy. /
I'm saving this for other assorted random bigots and haters, btw.
Cute tabby.
Looks like Newsbusters site is down. Was looking for something. Found this from the lead nut, Stephen Webb. Just in case people were wondering what the heck we're talking about:
Soccer is running America into the ground, and there is very little anyone can do about it. Social critics have long observed that we live in a therapeutic society that treats young people as if they can do no wrong. Every kid is a winner, and nobody is ever left behind, no matter how many times they watch the ball going the other way. Whether the dumbing down of America or soccer came first is hard to say, but soccer is clearly an important means by which American energy, drive, and competitiveness is being undermined to the point of no return...
Someone give the man a Valium.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:18:11am |
Gary Schmitt, American Enterprise Institute!
For sure, there may be a number of reasons that is the case but my suspicion is that the so-called "beautiful game" is not so beautiful to American sensibilities. We like, as good small "d" democrats, our underdogs for sure but we also still expect folks in the end to get their just desert. And, in sports, that means excellence should prevail. Of course, the fact that is often not the case when it comes to soccer may be precisely the reason the sport is so popular in the countries of Latin America and Europe.
Socialmalism!1!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:19:29am |
I don't watch kickball. I'm a 'Murikan.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:20:07am |
re: #266 iceweasel
Gary Schmitt, American Enterprise Institute!
Socialmalism!1!
Good grief. WTF is wrong with these people.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:24:39am |
re: #266 iceweasel
Gary Schmitt, American Enterprise Institute!
Socialmalism!1!
Figure. Webb is also a cretinist.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:27:08am |
re: #264 Nimed
Wingnuts can be classified in 3 elementary kinds:
- the economics wingnut (Ron Paul, Ayn Rand types)
- the national security wingnut (no torture? what about THE TICKING TIME BOMB SCENARIO??!? Jack Bauer, Dick Cheney)
- The SoCon wingnut (Chuck Norris, Sarah Palin, Jesus. By descending order of importance)Analysis of soccer are the specialty of this last type. For the SoCon wingnut, every little fucking preference in your life has a hidden political meaning. The sports you like to watch or play, your favorite books, your cell phone, your car, the way you like your coffee, where you spend your vacation, and so on, down to your favorite type of underwear.
brilliant analysis, but I'd argue that there is a style or theme, the Lifestyle Wingnut, who crosscuts the above categories. Your average econ wingnut blogger will also pontificate on the lifestyle-esque 'meaning' of rise in purchases of KitchenAid mixers, say. The SoCon wingnut will tell us how Avatar is a movie about genetics, abortion, and the military. The national security wingnut has ALWAYS linked sexuality, say, to how 'American' you are.
The SoCon wingnut religious right lifestyle Puritanism streak is and has always been most dominant in American narrative, and that's why we are so fascinated with certain forms of morality plays-- and we demand they be played out in the public sphere every so often.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:27:26am |
Any Lizard Gamers, got a treat, courtesy of E3:
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:31:27am |
re: #270 iceweasel
brilliant analysis, but I'd argue that there is a style or theme, the Lifestyle Wingnut, who crosscuts the above categories. Your average econ wingnut blogger will also pontificate on the lifestyle-esque 'meaning' of rise in purchases of KitchenAid mixers, say. The SoCon wingnut will tell us how Avatar is a movie about genetics, abortion, and the military. The national security wingnut has ALWAYS linked sexuality, say, to how 'American' you are.
The SoCon wingnut religious right lifestyle Puritanism streak is and has always been most dominant in American narrative, and that's why we are so fascinated with certain forms of morality plays-- and we demand they be played out in the public sphere every so often.
Did you get a chance to read that thread about the latest birther conspiracy regarding World Nut Daily, Tim Adams and what Freetoken and I dug up on Tim Adams?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:32:27am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:35:43am |
re: #270 iceweasel
brilliant analysis, but I'd argue that there is a style or theme, the Lifestyle Wingnut, who crosscuts the above categories. Your average econ wingnut blogger will also pontificate on the lifestyle-esque 'meaning' of rise in purchases of KitchenAid mixers, say. The SoCon wingnut will tell us how Avatar is a movie about genetics, abortion, and the military. The national security wingnut has ALWAYS linked sexuality, say, to how 'American' you are.
The SoCon wingnut religious right lifestyle Puritanism streak is and has always been most dominant in American narrative, and that's why we are so fascinated with certain forms of morality plays-- and we demand they be played out in the public sphere every so often.
I mentioned earlier, if you harbor a deep-seated hatred or distrust of anyone/thing, you go out of your way to find detail to pick on, and tie these details to attributes you assign to these hated entities.
And of course "Avatar" was about tree-hugging anti-progress-and-prosperity leftists who want us to live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with leaves and then apologize to trees for having done so...
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:36:44am |
re: #272 Gus 802
One Freeper out of 500 actually got the clue:
To: PghBaldy
Tim Adams was interviewed by a St0rmfr0nt radio show. Just because WND uses him as a source does nt make it legit. This guy is up to no good.He infiltrated their conference dressed as Hunter S. Thompson and managed to get on the program. He's messing with those people, and anyone who took it seriously, probably as part of a writing project. Yeah, the neo-Nazi connection is bad enough, but it was a joke, people.
403 posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 6:38:28 AM by Kleon
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They ignored him. He won't last.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:37:58am |
re: #272 Gus 802
Did you get a chance to read that thread about the latest birther conspiracy regarding World Nut Daily, Tim Adams and what Freetoken and I dug up on Tim Adams?
I heard about the Tim Adams bullshit and I immediately knew he was a grad student in english who had a TA/GA appointment. (which of course can mean only that he had to grade the papers for the actual instructor, lol.)
Saw a bit of the thread and I think that's what you guys found? But I have to upding-- you guys found he had crazy youtubes and stuff too i think? (i'm not caught up)
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:40:23am |
re: #276 iceweasel
I heard about the Tim Adams bullshit and I immediately knew he was a grad student in english who had a TA/GA appointment. (which of course can mean only that he had to grade the papers for the actual instructor, lol.)
Saw a bit of the thread and I think that's what you guys found? But I have to upding-- you guys found he had crazy youtubes and stuff too i think? (i'm not caught up)
Yeah. Very crazy video and prior postings. In one he claims he murdered someone. In another he says he's sociopath or some clinical description. I don't remember which.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:40:26am |
re: #270 iceweasel
brilliant analysis, but I'd argue that there is a style or theme, the Lifestyle Wingnut, who crosscuts the above categories. Your average econ wingnut blogger will also pontificate on the lifestyle-esque 'meaning' of rise in purchases of KitchenAid mixers, say. The SoCon wingnut will tell us how Avatar is a movie about genetics, abortion, and the military. The national security wingnut has ALWAYS linked sexuality, say, to how 'American' you are.
The SoCon wingnut religious right lifestyle Puritanism streak is and has always been most dominant in American narrative, and that's why we are so fascinated with certain forms of morality plays-- and we demand they be played out in the public sphere every so often.
Very, very nice. And the KitchenAid example, by God! It has a Revelation feel to it.
I'm now feeling incredibly tempted to rip you off draw inspiration from your excellent examination!
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:42:03am |
re: #276 iceweasel
I heard about the Tim Adams bullshit and I immediately knew he was a grad student in english who had a TA/GA appointment. (which of course can mean only that he had to grade the papers for the actual instructor, lol.)
Saw a bit of the thread and I think that's what you guys found? But I have to upding-- you guys found he had crazy youtubes and stuff too i think? (i'm not caught up)
Here's it is...
xray3delta
2 months ago
Phil, hang in there, take from someone who has a diagnosis of socio/psychopathy (congenital schizophrenia), being able to "snap" into a mental state where you would just as soon hurt someone as look at them is not a gift. Caring for folks is the best, and that's why it costs alot.
Same guy. Tim Adams or Timothy Lee Adams.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:42:36am |
re: #278 Gus 802
Yeah. Very crazy video and prior postings. In one he claims he murdered someone. In another he says he's sociopath or some clinical description. I don't remember which.
Holy cannoli!! WTF?! I have to go back and read it (will upding of course). Wow.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:44:20am |
re: #274 ralphieboy
And of course "Avatar" was about tree-hugging anti-progress-and-prosperity leftists who want us to live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with leaves and then apologize to trees for having done so...
Which just goes to show that they haven't paid any attention to the movie. You can ask the Tree of Souls which trees don't mind provide leaves for all your butt wiping necessities.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:47:20am |
re: #281 iceweasel
Holy cannoli!! WTF?! I have to go back and read it (will upding of course). Wow.
Here's the link...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Starts at 175 when Freetoken finds his Youtube account. I find other stuff as does FT and I also find his Myspace account.
Prior to that we find the usual white supremacist stuff including racism and antisemitism on the part of the person that broke the story to World Net Daily: a James Edwards.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:47:42am |
re: #279 Nimed
Very, very nice. And the KitchenAid example, by God! It has a Revelation feel to it.
I'm now feeling incredibly tempted to
rip you offdraw inspiration from your excellent examination!
Really. Uh, thanks? Go for it.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:49:27am |
And the brain dead bloggers pimping the story...
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:51:28am |
re: #282 Nimed
Which just goes to show that they haven't paid any attention to the movie. You can ask the Tree of Souls which trees don't mind provide leaves for all your butt wiping necessities.
You have forgotten where they keep their brains...
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:53:12am |
re: #270 iceweasel
The national security wingnut has ALWAYS linked sexuality, say, to how 'American' you are.
"I cannot believe that a bunch of lacy-drawered, limp-wristed people could do what those men have done in the past."
-- Yuma mayor Al Krieger speaking against repeal of DADT at Memorial Day service
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:57:33am |
re: #283 Gus 802
Here's the link...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Starts at 175 when Freetoken finds his Youtube account. I find other stuff as does FT and I also find his Myspace account.
Prior to that we find the usual white supremacist stuff including racism and antisemitism on the part of the person that broke the story to World Net Daily: a James Edwards.
Gus, have you or freetoken pulled that all together and made it a page? One of you should!
I saw various sites on the left debunking this in terms of his academic cred but no one pulling it all together and most of this info is completely new to me.
I think one of you ought to pull it all together and moreover I believe Charles should do a post on your info. One of you do a page so we can all recommend it!
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:57:52am |
re: #287 ralphieboy
"I cannot believe that a bunch of lacy-drawered, limp-wristed people could do what those men have done in the past."
-- Yuma mayor Al Krieger speaking against repeal of DADT at Memorial Day service
That level of stupidity is just...astounding. God, my head hurts now.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:01:52am |
re: #289 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That level of stupidity is just...astounding. God, my head hurts now.
Then pop some Advils before you read his follow-up quote:
"I am reluctant to compare myself to George Washington or Abraham Lincoln, but I did get some feedback on what I said, and I don't believe that I said anything different than what they would have said."
-- Krieger, a week later
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:02:25am |
re: #288 iceweasel
Gus, have you or freetoken pulled that all together and made it a page? One of you should!
I saw various sites on the left debunking this in terms of his academic cred but no one pulling it all together and most of this info is completely new to me.I think one of you ought to pull it all together and moreover I believe Charles should do a post on your info. One of you do a page so we can all recommend it!
No. We didn't compile the information. Oddly it didn't seem to generate much interest -- I think it was the time.
Wouldn't be too hard to compile a quick LGF page but that will have to wait for over the weekend.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:05:33am |
re: #290 ralphieboy
Then pop some Advils before you read his follow-up quote:
"I am reluctant to compare myself to George Washington or Abraham Lincoln, but I did get some feedback on what I said, and I don't believe that I said anything different than what they would have said."
-- Krieger, a week later
*Starts morphine drip* Yeah, I'm gonna need the strong stuff, because this kinda stupidity simply cannot cannot be taken with a clear head.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:07:14am |
re: #291 Gus 802
No. We didn't compile the information. Oddly it didn't seem to generate much interest -- I think it was the time.
Wouldn't be too hard to compile a quick LGF page but that will have to wait for over the weekend.
I think that is really excellent info and it's new. i haven't seen anyone else with it yet. I think it should be collated and featured somewhere.
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Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:08:42am |
re: #293 iceweasel
I think that is really excellent info and it's new. i haven't seen anyone else with it yet. I think it should be collated and featured somewhere.
OK, I'll look into it later.
I need to get some sleep now Ice so I'll see you later. Have a good one.
And later all.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:09:34am |
re: #292 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
*Starts morphine drip* Yeah, I'm gonna need the strong stuff, because this kinda stupidity simply cannot cannot be taken with a clear head.
Real Americans (TM) don't wear lacy frills or powdered wigs, do they?
[Link: www.iment.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:12:34am |
re: #295 ralphieboy
Real Americans (TM) don't wear lacy frills or powdered wigs, do they?
[Link: www.iment.com...]
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:14:22am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:14:50am |
re: #287 ralphieboy
The Slippered Pantaloon Battalion...
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:24am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Slippered Pantaloon Battalion...
Our motto: "Dishonor before Discomfort"
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:19:23am |
re: #295 ralphieboy
Real Americans (TM) don't wear lacy frills or powdered wigs, do they?
[Link: www.iment.com...]
"Well...yeah...but...!"
///
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RogueOne Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:45:04am |
re: #248 iceweasel
I would also like an explanation of why liking this game is somehow unamerican. Haven't we heard a shitload about the so-called soccer-mom vote and its vital importance?
You know who else liked soccer?
Hitler was a soccer coach.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
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RogueOne Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:45:50am |
I godwinned a soccer thread. It had to be done.
Morning all.
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:47:45am |
re: #270 iceweasel
I'd just like to note that as someone who's lived in Europe on occasion, I associate soccer with A) everyone and B) soccer hooligans.
That some Americans think it's prissy or needs refinement to enjoy is really funny to me.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:53:08am |
re: #304 Obdicut
I'd just like to note that as someone who's lived in Europe on occasion, I associate soccer with A) everyone and B) soccer hooligans.
That some Americans think it's prissy or needs refinement to enjoy is really funny to me.
[Video]
And yet those policement aren't armed...
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:59:41am |
re: #305 ralphieboy
Well, the US cops wouldn't be using their guns in any sort of crowd/riot control confrontation like that, either. There's a lot of cultural support for that kind of crap over in Europe too. I mean, we have riots in the US after sporting events, too, but I feel it's much less widespread.
Also, our riots, weirdly, happen to be non-confrontational-- the rioters don't find the fans from the other team and harass them, most of the time, but just express their joy through property damage and being assholes.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:03:12am |
re: #225 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I enjoy the Proustian display of modern existentialist football.
[Video]
For those who think Soccer needs refinement:
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:05:27am |
re: #307 ralphieboy
For those who think Soccer needs refinement:
[Video]
You must show Cato this next time he's here
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:05:52am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:12:23am |
re: #308 sattv4u2
You must show Cato this next time he's here
I assume he'll be in goal for the next match Greece vs Rome...
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:15:12am |
And commenting on the mainstreaming of soccer here in the states
As someone who has spent a goodly portion of my non-at-work-time shuttling my son from one practice to another, traveling from one out of state weekend tourney and back, soccer is growing in grass roots land
High schools are now recruiting grade school "stars" with schollarship offers. This summer, my son (entering 11th grade) is playing on a college "showcase" team. 3-4 practices a week and 1-2 games a week, most attended by college coaches to scout and advise
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:17:17am |
re: #311 sattv4u2
AND ,, by and large this wasn't happening 15-20 years ago
Lastly, the parking lots at these tourneys are full of pick-up trucks with all the accoutrement's of your typical Billy Bob
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:27:54am |
There is one thing about soccer that has not come up that will forever hinder its acceptance on American TV: it runs for 45 minutes a half without breaks, time-outs and generally without interruptions of play.
Which means they cannot slip in a commercial break every inning, quarter, time-out or on-field injury.
Which is in itself somehow un-American.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:32:05am |
re: #313 ralphieboy
There is one thing about soccer that has not come up that will forever hinder its acceptance on American TV: it runs for 45 minutes a half without breaks, time-outs and generally without interruptions of play.
Which means they cannot slip in a commercial break every inning, quarter, time-out or on-field injury.
Which is in itself somehow un-American.
NASCAR encountered much the same problems for television when it 1st tried to make the transition from a regional (southeast) sport to a national one. Broadcasters didn't want to break away for 2-3 minutes while something on the track (THE big crash or a dramatic lead change) occured.
What TBS and FOX Sports does now in many instances is run the full compliment of commercials on 3/4 of the screen while still showing the race in a 1/4 box.
Soccer could do much the same
THE problem (American acceptance wise) is the low scoring. An afficianado can appreciate a nil-nil game, but the "average" American equates 'action" with scoring
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:34:41am |
re: #311 sattv4u2
Congrats! It's not easy to reach that level. You must be proud.
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:34:54am |
re: #314 sattv4u2
Soccer can also do the "run with limited commercial interruption as sponsored by X" that some networks do with movies. Picture in picture also works - and lets folks stay on the action.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:39:18am |
re: #316 lawhawk
Soccer can also do the "run with limited commercial interruption as sponsored by X" that some networks do with movies. Picture in picture also works - and lets folks stay on the action.
Greece got their ass handed to them this morning..The announcers kept saying they don't play with energy...
Kind of like their economy I was thinking
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:39:43am |
re: #314 sattv4u2
NASCAR encountered much the same problems for television when it 1st tried to make the transition from a regional (southeast) sport to a national one. Broadcasters didn't want to break away for 2-3 minutes while something on the track (THE big crash or a dramatic lead change) occured.
What TBS and FOX Sports does now in many instances is run the full compliment of commercials on 3/4 of the screen while still showing the race in a 1/4 box.
Soccer could do much the sameTHE problem (American acceptance wise) is the low scoring. An afficianado can appreciate a nil-nil game, but the "average" American equates 'action" with scoring
Yes, and the lack of scoring. Knew there was some reason I cannot even bother watching it here in Europe. Can't they like widen the goal or make the goalie wear a blindfold or ankle weights or something?
It is not helped by the way they organize league play here, it is sometimes in both teams' interest to get a goal each and then play out the rest of the game to a tie. I have seen games where they are literally standing on the ball, killing time.
And that is something that even I, an expatrate of 22 years, cannot tolerate because it is just, well, un-American!!!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:41:37am |
re: #315 Obdicut
Congrats! It's not easy to reach that level. You must be proud.
Thanks. We are. We never pushed him. He enjoys it, but if he woke up tomorrow and said he didn't want to play anymore, there wouldn't be any arguing
(See Ya college scholarship,,, [Link: wwwhhhhaaaaa!!!!))...]
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:43:35am |
re: #318 ralphieboy
Can't they like widen the goal or make the goalie wear a blindfold or ankle weights or something?
Whats becoming more and more popular here is indoor soccer venues with smaller surfaces, smaller "on field" number of players with the same size nets. result is more shots on net resulting in more goals
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:43:46am |
re: #317 HoosierHoops
I saw part of that match, and I can't imagine how any team can go into this tournament and "not play with energy". Heck, that's a firing offense in my book. If you're in soccer and you can't get up for the World Cup, you have no business being there.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:44:25am |
re: #319 sattv4u2
((note to self ,, do NOT start a simulated crying with 3 W's))
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:45:03am |
re: #320 sattv4u2
Can't they like widen the goal or make the goalie wear a blindfold or ankle weights or something?
Whats becoming more and more popular here is indoor soccer venues with smaller surfaces, smaller "on field" number of players with the same size nets. result is more shots on net resulting in more goals
Then they should try doing it on ice, replace the ball with a rubber disk and let the players use sticks. Now that might be an interesting innovation...
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:46:33am |
How long is the half time break in a World Cup match?
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:46:43am |
Good morning lizards!
This is interesting...
Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites
Saudi Arabia has conducted tests to stand down its air defences to enable Israeli jets to make a bombing raid on Iran’s nuclear facilities, The Times can reveal.
In the week that the UN Security Council imposed a new round of sanctions on Tehran, defence sources in the Gulf say that Riyadh has agreed to allow Israel to use a narrow corridor of its airspace in the north of the country to shorten the distance for a bombing run on Iran.
To ensure the Israeli bombers pass unmolested, Riyadh has carried out tests to make certain its own jets are not scrambled and missile defence systems not activated. Once the Israelis are through, the kingdom’s air defences will return to full alert.
The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way,” said a US defence source in the area. “They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [US] State Department.”
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:47:15am |
re: #323 ralphieboy
Then they should try doing it on ice, replace the ball with a rubber disk and let the players use sticks. Now that might be an interesting innovation...
Go Hawks!
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:47:22am |
Barbarism on display. Afghan girls attacked by chemical weapon at Afghan school. This isn't the first such attack - and dozens have been sickened in these attacks.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:48:37am |
re: #317 HoosierHoops
Greece got their ass handed to them this morning.
must
,,,
resist
,,,
gratuitous
,,,
comment
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:50:08am |
re: #327 lawhawk
Barbarism on display. Afghan girls attacked by chemical weapon at Afghan school. This isn't the first such attack - and dozens have been sickened in these attacks.
Exhibit A in the primer on 'Why We Fight'...IMHO.
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:50:08am |
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:51:15am |
re: #325 NJDhockeyfan
IMHO the military solution to Iran's nuclear threat can come none too soon.
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abaleh Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:52:13am |
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:52:18am |
re: #331 Ojoe
IMHO the military solution to Iran's nuclear threat can come none too soon.
Overdue IMHO.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:52:56am |
re: #328 sattv4u2
Greece got their ass handed to them this morning.
must
,,,
resist
,,,
gratuitous
,,,
comment
If we invade Turkey from behind will Greece help?
/I can't restrain. Morning Honcos.
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:54:24am |
re: #327 lawhawk
And a 13 year old girl just got sentenced to 90 lashes in Saudi Arabia, our partners in peace.
Her crime was bringing a cellphone to school, and hitting the headmistress after she took it away.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Obsession with control of women is a sure sign of cultural sickness.
And here's another from Saudi Arabia:
[Link: www.saudigazette.com.sa...]
A hundred lashes for being raped and trying to abort the baby.
And she's being forced to have the baby, of course.
But Saudi Arabia our our partners in peace.
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:54:53am |
re: #329 Taqyia2Me
Exhibit A in the primer on 'Why We Fight'...IMHO.
Not really. We don't fight Saudi Arabia. They're our allies. And they do all of this as well.
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:55:06am |
re: #270 iceweasel
and so on, down to your favorite type of underwear.
Except what if you don't wear any?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:56:24am |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home awaits
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:57:35am |
Holy crap...NY is going to shut down?
New York government prepares to shut down
After five months of negotiations, ten emergency budget extensions and a threat of a government shutdown, New York lawmakers were still not close to approving a new budget, Gov. David Paterson's office said Friday.
Over the past 30 years, the New York state budget has been approved on time just four times, but a shutdown would be unprecedented, and its ramifications are unclear. A senior Paterson administration official said that a conference call took place on Thursday "providing guidance" to state agencies on how to prepare in the event that Monday's vote fails.
"We're not going to let prisoners out of prison, but it's certainly going to be an urgent situation when police, firefighters, emergency services workers are not going to be able to perform their jobs," Paterson told reporters Friday. "We don't have the resources to afford the gasoline that goes in the cars that they drive, the public vehicles."
"This is a formidable situation of unimaginable consequences," he said.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:58:56am |
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:59:27am |
President attended fundraiser during Gulf memorial service
According his official schedule, President Obama did not attend the May 25 memorial service in Jackson, Mississippi for the workers who died in the Deepwater Horizon explosion because he was en route to a fundraiser for Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, in San Francisco.
Priories, priorities, priorities...
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:00:28am |
re: #339 NJDhockeyfan
Patterson is incompetent as fuck, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Just in time for me to move there, too.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:00:37am |
Angle: I'm Not An Oath Keeper, But I Do Like Keeping Oaths (AUDIO)
Nevada Republican Senate nominee Sharron Angle took to the conservative airwaves today to defend herself from Democratic attacks that she's on the far extreme end of the conservative spectrum. Speaking on The Laura Ingraham Show, Angle said she was not a member of the Oath Keepers, the shadowy government conspiracy-fearing group she professed to being a member of in the past.
...
Angle told me in April that she was a member of the Oath Keepers. On the day she won the GOP nomination in Nevada, her husband -- speaking on behalf of the campaign -- said he didn't remember if she was an official member, but said that she endorses what the group stands for. The leader of the Oath Keepers told our very own Justin Elliott that Angle had requested to speak to the group (but he said he didn't know if she was a full-fledged member).
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:01:19am |
re: #339 NJDhockeyfan
The consequences of the shutdown aren't nearly as dire as they're saying - it's a lot of brinksmanship, but a deal will likely end up happening at the last minute.
The problem is that the state is spending billions more than it takes in revenue. And it's been doing this for years on end.
The gravy train ended years ago, but the spending kept increasing. Now, when they try to even keep spending the same as last year, the usual suspects bitch that it's a cut in spending.
And the shutdown wouldn't have been necessary if the courts allowed the furlough of state workers. Instead, you get a shutdown and an increased likelihood of layoffs.
But that's New York politics - a clown circus.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:02:04am |
re: #339 NJDhockeyfan
Holy crap...NY is going to shut down?
the wave of the future...what you get for all the taxes you pay...it's unethical and borderline criminal
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RogueOne Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:02:51am |
re: #336 Obdicut
Not really. We don't fight Saudi Arabia. They're our allies. And they do all of this as well.
Was that a call for an invasion?
Oh, and we're not whores, we're friendly:
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:03:28am |
re: #344 lawhawk
Heh. One of my friends in New York really wants me to get into politics when I move there. To me, it seems like it would be similar to wrestling an incontinent chimpanzee: dangerous, undignified, and unlikely to produce anything beyond a lot of shit.
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:05:12am |
re: #345 albusteve
... whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government ...
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:06:00am |
re: #346 RogueOne
Invasion isn't the solution. Moving to alternative energy and away from oil is the solution to defunding the asshole governments in the Middle East.
But there's a limited extent, a very, very limited extent, to which an outside culture can influence another culture. We defeated Soviet Russia, but Russia is still much the same, still corrupt, still incredibly racist.
It is really awesome that Germany and Japan were able to reform into good, stable democracies, but I think that it gave a lot of people the wrong idea about nation-building. Japan and Germany both had already been democracies; it wasn't a radical change to return them to that state.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:06:23am |
re: #347 Obdicut
I couldn't go into politics. There is less manners these days and i would blast a "fuck you" at any/every moment.
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:07:05am |
re: #335 Obdicut
I could go on and on about the Saudis, their misogyny, export of terrorism, rampant anti-Semitism, and all the rest, but the US (and across multiple administrations) have decided that the House of Saud is a legitimate government and are our "allies" even as they fund and export Wahabism/Salafism that supports and condones jihad against the US, the West, and our other allies including Israel.
Best thing the US can do is wean itself and the rest of the world off oil - and let these oil-based regimes return to the bass-ackward backwaters that they were before the discovery of oil turned them into petro-powers and enabled their funding of the spread of jihad.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:07:07am |
re: #337 Ojoe
Except what if you don't wear any?
That clearly falls into the hippie category (thought it also sounds vaguely "French").
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:07:24am |
you want some insight into the most epic rip off of the taxpayers in modern times, playing politics with big oil, and allowing the Spill to happen and then whirl away totally out of control...read this
[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]
BO and his crew should be in a world of hurt, but of course they will talk their way out of it...there are plenty of droolers ready to pass the buck
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:08:18am |
re: #334 Cannadian Club Akbar
If we invade Turkey from behind will Greece help?
/I can't restrain. Morning Honcos.
They would all be sad because they had to go off to war and leave their little brothers(') behind...
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:08:23am |
re: #347 Obdicut
I've had more than a few people tell me to get into politics, but I don't for many of the same reasons - a whole lot of s-slinging and the results are smears and attacks on family and personal life and all the rest.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:08:47am |
re: #352 Nimed
That clearly falls into the hippie category (thought it also sounds vaguely "French").
I believe we call it "going commando", which sounds way macho.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:10:02am |
re: #348 Ojoe
... whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government ...
it's too massive and will even devour it's own.......govt stands in the way of a higher quality of life
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:10:33am |
re: #351 lawhawk
I could go on and on about the Saudis, their misogyny, export of terrorism, rampant anti-Semitism, and all the rest, but the US (and across multiple administrations) have decided that the House of Saud is a legitimate government and are our "allies" even as they fund and export Wahabism/Salafism that supports and condones jihad against the US, the West, and our other allies including Israel.
Best thing the US can do is wean itself and the rest of the world off oil - and let these oil-based regimes return to the bass-ackward backwaters that they were before the discovery of oil turned them into petro-powers and enabled their funding of the spread of jihad.
I still remember initial reports of 9/11 referring to "men with Saudi Arabian passports" as if we did not want to own up to the ugly fact that the majority of the attackers came from there (as does Bin Laden himself).
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:11:38am |
re: #356 lawhawk
Yep. I would go ape on anyone who went after my fiancée.
I'll probably wind up joining a school board as soon as I have kids, but I think that'll be the extent of it.
I think Tsongas was the last politician I could have really worked for.
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:12:03am |
Gov. Christie sent out a memo telling departments and cabinet officials to prepare for a possible shutdown in NJ if a budget deal can't be reached by July 1. Just in case.
New Jersey's budget situation is actually worse than NY or even CA - on a per capita basis and even in raw dollars.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:12:35am |
re: #356 lawhawk
I've had more than a few people tell me to get into politics, but I don't for many of the same reasons - a whole lot of s-slinging and the results are smears and attacks on family and personal life and all the rest.
If you are into private practice you could use 1-800-Lawhawk on the TV ads
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:12:37am |
re: #358 albusteve
it's too massive and will even devour it's own...govt stands in the way of a higher quality of life
"And even when that government is legally elected by a majority of voters, we still have the right to tear it down with violence if we perceive our liberties being thretened."
That is the core of the Tea Party message, and you had better listen closely, because they are not beyond implementing it.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:13:09am |
re: #349 Obdicut
Invasion isn't the solution. Moving to alternative energy and away from oil is the solution to defunding the asshole governments in the Middle East.
We're talking different time scales here -- that solution is way too slow to effectively deal with Iran.
It is really awesome that Germany and Japan were able to reform into good, stable democracies, but I think that it gave a lot of people the wrong idea about nation-building. Japan and Germany both had already been democracies; it wasn't a radical change to return them to that state.
IIRC a poll I've seen the other day, Germany and Japan are the 2 most popular nations in the world! Not bad for the WW2 losers.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:15:13am |
the incredible shrinking of Detroit...the result of decades of democrats, unions, and entitlements...unfuckingbelievable
[Link: www.lostmag.com...]
spin baby spin!
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:15:25am |
re: #362 lawhawk
Gov. Christie sent out a memo telling departments and cabinet officials to prepare for a possible shutdown in NJ if a budget deal can't be reached by July 1. Just in case.
New Jersey's budget situation is actually worse than NY or even CA - on a per capita basis and even in raw dollars.
Gov. Christie has an incredible mess to clean up. I wish I could move back home but I can't afford it.
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Obdicut Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:16:06am |
re: #365 Nimed
We're talking different time scales here -- that solution is way too slow to effectively deal with Iran.
It wouldn't have been too slow twenty years ago. Maybe not even eight years ago.
But really, the point I'm making is that such solutions in general really need to come from within the countries themselves, not from outside. There are very few examples of outside meddling that wind up well, and Iran is actually an example of outside meddling-- by the US-- winding up fucking awful.
IIRC a poll I've seen the other day, Germany and Japan are the 2 most popular nations in the world! Not bad for the WW2 losers.
And they deserve it in many ways.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:16:15am |
re: #364 ralphieboy
"And even when that government is legally elected by a majority of voters, we still have the right to tear it down with violence if we perceive our liberties being thretened."
That is the core of the Tea Party message, and you had better listen closely, because they are not beyond implementing it.
they can start by tossing the Dept of Ed into the garbage heap
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:16:46am |
"We're talking different time scales here -- that solution is way too slow to effectively deal with Iran."
Iran was a democracy once until our CIA toppled it in 1953 and replaced it with a US-friendly monarchy...
We sure now how to bring about Regime Change You Can Believe In, eh?
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:19:17am |
re: #370 ralphieboy
"We're talking different time scales here -- that solution is way too slow to effectively deal with Iran."
Iran was a democracy once until our CIA toppled it in 1953 and replaced it with a US-friendly monarchy...
We sure now how to bring about Regime Change You Can Believe In, eh?
the Shah was no Mr Rogers, not a friendly guy
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:24:22am |
U.S. Beaches That The Oil Spill May Ruin Forever
Very dramatic pictures at the link.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:26:33am |
Internal White House documents reveal that 51% of employers may have to relinquish their current health care coverage by 2013 due to ObamaCare. That numbers soars to 66% for small-business employers.
well duh!
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
WASHINGTON — Over and over in the health care debate, President Barack Obama said people who like their current coverage would be able to keep it.
double duh!!
[Link: www.google.com...]
federal intrusion into the private sector means more control of business....one step at a time comrade
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:27:41am |
re: #372 NJDhockeyfan
U.S. Beaches That The Oil Spill May Ruin Forever
Very dramatic pictures at the link.
I blame Obama...I've changed my mind, this is definitely his Katrina only worse....read the Rolling Stone link, I dare you
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:27:45am |
re: #372 NJDhockeyfan
U.S. Beaches That The Oil Spill May Ruin Forever
Very dramatic pictures at the link.
Aye. And every time I see the pictures and hear about how much has leaked, I remember that they're predicting this stuff to show up on East Coast shores later this year. As much as I hate the tourists, I don't want to think what oil showing up on our shores will do to the local economy.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:30:53am |
re: #374 albusteve
I blame Obama...I've changed my mind, this is definitely his Katrina only worse...read the Rolling Stone link, I dare you
I paged it yesterday.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:31:23am |
re: #374 albusteve
I just gave it a quick skim. The impression I get is that they're faulting Obama for allowing oil companies to continue drilling. Are you in favor of stopping domestic oil production?
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lostlakehiker Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:31:42am |
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:32:11am |
re: #370 ralphieboy
"We're talking different time scales here -- that solution is way too slow to effectively deal with Iran."
Iran was a democracy once until our CIA toppled it in 1953 and replaced it with a US-friendly monarchy...
We sure now how to bring about Regime Change You Can Believe In, eh?
Ah! Somebody should tell the Iranians that, compared with Latin America, they really have no reason to complain.
/ <-- depressing sarc tag
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:32:18am |
re: #374 albusteve
I blame Obama...I've changed my mind, this is definitely his Katrina only worse...read the Rolling Stone link, I dare you
Nobody can accuse Rolling Stone to be a wingnut publication.
Have you seen this?
Experts Say White House 'Misrepresented' Views to Justify Drilling Moratorium
The seven experts who advised President Obama on how to deal with offshore drilling safety after the Deepwater Horizon explosion are accusing his administration of misrepresenting their views to make it appear that they supported a six-month drilling moratorium -- something they actually oppose.
The experts, recommended by the National Academy of Engineering, say Interior Secretary Ken Salazar modified their report last month, after they signed it, to include two paragraphs calling for the moratorium on existing drilling and new permits.
Salazar's report to Obama said a panel of seven experts "peer reviewed" his recommendations, which included a six-month moratorium on permits for new wells being drilled using floating rigs and an immediate halt to drilling operations.
"None of us actually reviewed the memorandum as it is in the report," oil expert Ken Arnold told Fox News. "What was in the report at the time it was reviewed was quite a bit different in its impact to what there is now. So we wanted to distance ourselves from that recommendation."
Salazar apologized to those experts Thursday.
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:32:21am |
re: #373 albusteve
It was always nonsense to make that claim given that coverages via employers change annually - benefits renewal periods at the end of the year enable any business to adjust the benefits packages according to the business needs. So, if there are cost increases, changes in insurers, etc. it can happen as early as the first benefits renewal period following the effective date of the policy changes affected by the ObamaCare legislation.
And that's an argument I was making from day 1 when that claim was being made.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:33:08am |
The administration has decreed a six-month moratorium on exploratory drilling in the Gulf, based on a report that Interior Secretary Ken Salazar wrote for President Obama. Salazar claimed that a panel of seven experts selected by the National Academy of Engineering had peer reviewed his report. It turns out, though, that the seven experts never saw the recommendation for a moratorium, and in fact oppose it:
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]
true?...why would anybody doubt it?
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:34:33am |
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:34:36am |
re: #376 Rightwingconspirator
I paged it yesterday.
excellent!...any response? or did some shmoe running for office say something goofy to dominate the thread?
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:35:28am |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
I just gave it a quick skim. The impression I get is that they're faulting Obama for allowing oil companies to continue drilling. Are you in favor of stopping domestic oil production?
no, but there is a lot more to it than that bro..read the entire piece
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:36:15am |
re: #383 Ojoe
We have elected political liars into the White House.
(Well, duh.)
A politician? Lying? Surely you jest!
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:36:26am |
re: #384 albusteve
Freetoken stopped in (thanks) But very darn few clicks. Which indicates to me that there is very little interest in the article. I am often reminded how little idea I have of what will catch here for more than minor notice.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:36:52am |
re: #380 NJDhockeyfan
yes, I'm getting more pissed by the day....something is really rotten in this administration, and it's not Bush's legacy
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:37:44am |
re: #386 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I jest ...
I was hoping there would be a change
/ 9
BBL
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:37:59am |
re: #388 albusteve
yes, I'm getting more pissed by the day...something is really rotten in this administration, and it's not Bush's legacy
It wont stop the administration from blaming Bush/Cheney. It's coming.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:39:26am |
re: #387 Rightwingconspirator
Freetoken stopped in (thanks) But very darn few clicks. Which indicates to me that there is very little interest in the article. I am often reminded how little idea I have of what will catch here for more than minor notice.
yeah, the smallest mundane thing will take off with hundreds of posts and thousands of words
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:40:31am |
re: #390 NJDhockeyfan
It wont stop the administration from blaming Bush/Cheney. It's coming.
if the RS piece is accurate they can't...BO and Salazar are fucked
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lostlakehiker Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:41:16am |
re: #379 Nimed
Ah! Somebody should tell the Iranians that, compared with Latin America, they really have no reason to complain.
/ <-- depressing sarc tag
But right now, they have every reason to complain. No Argentine Junta is disappearing people, but the Iranian regime is. In all of Latin America, only Venezuela is misruled so cruelly as Iran.
The Iranian regime has even brought in "Hessians"---in this case, Hezbullah mercenaries who act as police when native-born Iranians cannot be relied upon to act with sufficient sadistic zeal.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:42:08am |
re: #374 albusteve
I blame Obama...I've changed my mind, this is definitely his Katrina only worse...read the Rolling Stone link, I dare you
Steve, c'mon.
It's not Obama's fault.
The father of the mud engineer who worked for my husband's company met with Obama, and was interviewed on TV this morning. He put the blame squarely where it should be, on BP.
If anyone in the administration should be called out about it, it should be Salazar, for changing the report AFTER the experts had signed off on it, making it appear that they had recommended the moratorium when they had not recommended it.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:46:04am |
re: #394 reine.de.tout
Check out the Rolling stone piece. Devastating if true.
Excerpt
"The government is in a situation where it's required to be in charge," says William Funk, a professor of environmental and administrative law at Lewis and Clark College who previously worked as a staff attorney in the Justice Department.
What's more, the administration failed to ensure that BP was prepared to respond to the mess on the surface, where a lack of ships and equipment has left more than 100 miles of the coast – including vast stretches of fragile marshlands – covered in crude. According to MMS regulations, the agency is supposed to "inspect the stockpiles of industry's equipment for the containment and cleanup of oil spills." In BP's case, the agency should have made sure the company was prepared to clean up a spill of 250,000 barrels a day. But when Rolling Stone asked MMS whether BP had the required containment equipment on hand, the agency's head of public affairs in the Gulf replied, "I am not clear if MMS has the info that you are requesting."
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lostlakehiker Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:48:53am |
re: #394 reine.de.tout
Steve, c'mon.
It's not Obama's fault.
The father of the mud engineer who worked for my husband's company met with Obama, and was interviewed on TV this morning. He put the blame squarely where it should be, on BP.
If anyone in the administration should be called out about it, it should be Salazar, for changing the report AFTER the experts had signed off on it, making it appear that they had recommended the moratorium when they had not recommended it.
The spill isn't Obama's fault. But the near-total inertia, the absence of effective response, the shortage of booms and other tools for cleanup, the endless string of lies about how big the spill really is?
The failure to actually inspect? The unseemly trust granted BP, when BP had already the worst safety record around? (Texas refinery explosion, remember?) Obama seems to think that talk is action, and talk of suing is the ultimate in action.
His needless affront to the Brits in telling them to take back their stupid bust of Churchill is now coming home to roost. Now that we have an actual point of tension between ourselves and Britain, it turns out that burning bridges of good will was not such a bright idea.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:49:09am |
re: #392 albusteve
if the RS piece is accurate they can't...BO and Salazar are fucked
Blaming Bush is kinda wrong when you leave nearly all his (insert Dem pejorative) appointees in place. A housecleaning was promised and claimed.
All we got was what we have.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:49:30am |
So a man swept into office on an unprecedented tide of delirious fawning is now watching his presidency sink in an unstoppable gush. That's almost too apt.
Mark Steyn on BO
[Link: www.ocregister.com...]
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:49:37am |
re: #395 Rightwingconspirator
There is a bit of a leap between the government allowing BP to violate standards by not ensuring that everything was in place and the government making them do so. BP certainly knew better than anyone else what they were capable of.
Keep that in mind when assigning responsibility.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:50:31am |
re: #395 Rightwingconspirator
Check out the Rolling stone piece. Devastating if true.
Excerpt
"The government is in a situation where it's required to be in charge," says William Funk, a professor of environmental and administrative law at Lewis and Clark College who previously worked as a staff attorney in the Justice Department.What's more, the administration failed to ensure that BP was prepared to respond to the mess on the surface, where a lack of ships and equipment has left more than 100 miles of the coast – including vast stretches of fragile marshlands – covered in crude. According to MMS regulations, the agency is supposed to "inspect the stockpiles of industry's equipment for the containment and cleanup of oil spills." In BP's case, the agency should have made sure the company was prepared to clean up a spill of 250,000 barrels a day. But when Rolling Stone asked MMS whether BP had the required containment equipment on hand, the agency's head of public affairs in the Gulf replied, "I am not clear if MMS has the info that you are requesting."
I'm not going to take up for MMS, which is probably very inefficiently run.
I will only say:
Any reports that MMS was not doing inspections it was supposed to do should be taken with a grain of salt. A review of their operations is in order; but it's wrong, right now, before details are known, to place blame on MMS.
The bottom line: It was BP's responsibility to have their plans in place; it was BP's responsibility to operate safely; it was BP's responsibility to PAY ATTENTION to standard warning signs that gas was in the line and know what should be done. And they failed.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:51:30am |
re: #397 Rightwingconspirator
Blaming Bush is kinda wrong when you leave nearly all his (insert Dem pejorative) appointees in place. A housecleaning was promised and claimed.
All we got was what we have.
I blame BO...it's becoming increasingly clear wtf has happened...everybody knew what was going down with BP and he's the boss
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:51:40am |
re: #393 lostlakehiker
But right now, they have every reason to complain. No Argentine Junta is disappearing people, but the Iranian regime is. In all of Latin America, only Venezuela is misruled so cruelly as Iran.
The Iranian regime has even brought in "Hessians"---in this case, Hezbullah mercenaries who act as police when native-born Iranians cannot be relied upon to act with sufficient sadistic zeal.
I was referring to our country (i.e., they have more reason to complain about our interference than Latin America). They have, of course, lots of reasons to complain about their current political system. In fact, they did, with dire consequences.
Bah. Iran has the tradition to be the most secular and advanced nation in the Middle East. Learning about the history of the country just breaks your heart.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:52:38am |
A further excerpt from RS
Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. "NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out," says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. "They're denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance." Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. "Why they didn't have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable," says a former government marine biologist. "They should have been right on top of that." Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:54:42am |
IMHO
To precisely the degree of accuracy in the Rolling Stone piece, this is a game changer for the legitimate perception of the administrations management policies & skills.
If RS is full of it then never mind. If not...
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:54:46am |
re: #398 albusteve
Mark Steyn hasn't had anything interesting to say for a very long time.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:56:23am |
re: #396 lostlakehiker
The spill isn't Obama's fault. But the near-total inertia, the absence of effective response, the shortage of booms and other tools for cleanup, the endless string of lies about how big the spill really is?
The failure to actually inspect? The unseemly trust granted BP, when BP had already the worst safety record around? (Texas refinery explosion, remember?) Obama seems to think that talk is action, and talk of suing is the ultimate in action.
His needless affront to the Brits in telling them to take back their stupid bust of Churchill is now coming home to roost. Now that we have an actual point of tension between ourselves and Britain, it turns out that burning bridges of good will was not such a bright idea.
I am not a fan of Barack Obama.
But it's wrong, IMO, to blame him for lack of response, when indications here are that when things get hung up and he is contacted, he unwinds the red tape.
The thing I'm in disagreement with the administration about is this moratorium, which is not necessary. And it appears Salazar changed the report after the experts signed off on it, making it appear they recommended the moratorium when they did not. That is not right.
And right now, I don't care if the Brits are upset with us. They are out of line. It's their company that caused this, it's BP's British CEO and other officials who have shown absolutely no sympathy or understanding for the families of the 11 people who were VAPORIZED as a result of their bad decisions, and in fact, who are making STUPID comments about Americans who like to blow things up, wanting their lives back, and Louisiana not being the only place you can get shrimp.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:57:39am |
re: #406 reine.de.tout
One up for proper focus. Eleven human beings gone as part of the smoke plume.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:57:40am |
Democrats have been hit by a perfect storm, mostly of their own making. Illinois rivals California and New York as a fiscal and economic basket case. Democratic misrule has reached epic proportions, with the school districts, vendors, and doctors who treat Medicaid patients going unpaid for months. Unfunded state liabilities are mounting. And on top of all that, the trial of impeached former governor Rod Blagojevich, already dominating the news, is expected to continue for months.
coming to a state near you
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
spin it baby!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:58:50am |
re: #403 Rightwingconspirator
A further excerpt from RS
Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. "NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out," says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. "They're denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance." Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. "Why they didn't have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable," says a former government marine biologist. "They should have been right on top of that." Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.
OK, now this may be accurate, in a way.
The Coast Guard and the Corps of Engineers were using NOAA projections of when the oil would hit the La. coast in their approval of requests for boom and berms.
NOAA projections were not accurate. Jindal finally put a bunch of folks into a boat (duh!) and had them physically inspect the coastline, where oil was apparently there in spite of NOAA's "projections".
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:58:53am |
re: #374 albusteve
I blame Obama...I've changed my mind, this is definitely his Katrina only worse...read the Rolling Stone link, I dare you
Did you really read the article, it appears you didn't even read the full title of the Rolling Stone article. I will post it for you........
The Spill, The Scandal and the President: The inside story of how Obama failed to crack down on the corruption of the Bush years – and let the world's most dangerous oil company get away with murder
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:58:57am |
re: #405 Killgore Trout
Mark Steyn hasn't had anything interesting to say for a very long time.
right, especially when he trashes BO, who deserves it
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:01:19am |
re: #410 Reginald Perrin
Did you really read the article, it appears you didn't even read the full title of the Rolling Stone article. I will post it for you...
The Spill, The Scandal and the President: The inside story of how Obama failed to crack down on the corruption of the Bush years – and let the world's most dangerous oil company get away with murde
Oh, fer cryin' out loud . . .
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:02:17am |
re: #8 freetoken
What's cuter than a baby hedgehog?
A table full of Baby Hedgehogs!
[Video]
Thank you for that. I've got a friend who'll love this vid.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:02:42am |
re: #406 reine.de.tout
I am not a fan of Barack Obama.
But it's wrong, IMO, to blame him for lack of response, when indications here are that when things get hung up and he is contacted, he unwinds the red tape.
The thing I'm in disagreement with the administration about is this moratorium, which is not necessary. And it appears Salazar changed the report after the experts signed off on it, making it appear they recommended the moratorium when they did not. That is not right.
And right now, I don't care if the Brits are upset with us. They are out of line. It's their company that caused this, it's BP's British CEO and other officials who have shown absolutely no sympathy or understanding for the families of the 11 people who were VAPORIZED as a result of their bad decisions, and in fact, who are making STUPID comments about Americans who like to blow things up, wanting their lives back, and Louisiana not being the only place you can get shrimp.
Face it, Obama is the president...the buck stops with him. That's been the case with every president. The more he tries to pass the blame, the more people will look at him as someone who hasn't a clue what he's doing. Obama needs to take charge (or at least appear to) of this mess soon or he's finished.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:03:36am |
re: #405 Killgore Trout
Mark Steyn hasn't had anything interesting to say for a very long time.
Are you of the opinion that he ever had? I'm trying to think of the left-wing correspondent to Mark Steyn. I can only think of Frank Rich, but Mark Steyn is far more vacuous. He is a writer of wingnut prose poetry. Adherence to facts is not required in the craft.
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avanti Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:03:47am |
A recycled e-mail from 2007 is making the rounds on right wing blogs about illegal aliens as we speak. Snoop's just got it this time and is researching it for accuracy if anyone wants to help. I know much of it is BS, i.e. the stuff about S.S. benefits and them making the equivalent of $20-$30/ hour in benefits and more.
Here's the cached link from 2007 of the story that Snoop's is fact checking on it's second go round:
teacher e-mail.
Posted down thread in error.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:03:55am |
re: #415 NJDhockeyfan
Face it, Obama is the president...the buck stops with him. That's been the case with every president. The more he tries to pass the blame, the more people will look at him as someone who hasn't a clue what he's doing. Obama needs to take charge (or at least appear to) of this mess soon or he's finished.
it's too late for the Gulf...the damage is practically unstoppable now
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:04:57am |
re: #413 reine.de.tout
Oh, fer cryin' out loud . . .
What?
That is the unedited title posted at the top of the web-page.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:05:15am |
re: #411 albusteve
right, especially when he trashes BO, who deserves it
He has ODS, so that's not surprising. I already know he hates Obama so there's not much reason to read his stuff. I already know what's in it.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:05:52am |
re: #414 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for that. I've got a friend who'll love this vid.
A British joke from my brother-in law:
Why did the hedgehog cross the road?
To see his flat mate!
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:06:39am |
re: #420 Killgore Trout
Do you see legitimate trouble in the RS piece for the administration?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:06:41am |
re: #406 reine.de.tout
I am not a fan of Barack Obama.
But it's wrong, IMO, to blame him for lack of response, when indications here are that when things get hung up and he is contacted, he unwinds the red tape.
The thing I'm in disagreement with the administration about is this moratorium, which is not necessary. And it appears Salazar changed the report after the experts signed off on it, making it appear they recommended the moratorium when they did not. That is not right.
And right now, I don't care if the Brits are upset with us. They are out of line. It's their company that caused this, it's BP's British CEO and other officials who have shown absolutely no sympathy or understanding for the families of the 11 people who were VAPORIZED as a result of their bad decisions, and in fact, who are making STUPID comments about Americans who like to blow things up, wanting their lives back, and Louisiana not being the only place you can get shrimp.
Agreed. The UK is our ally, but right now Obama has to be concerned with the problems here at home. If he were to moderate himself in response to UK criticism he would get hammered in the polls and justly so. Americans, not Britons, elected him and it is good that he has not forgotten that fact.
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RogueOne Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:07:21am |
re: #394 reine.de.tout
Steve, c'mon.
It's not Obama's fault.....
I don't blame Obama for an oil rig explosion anymore than I blamed Bush for 9/11 but the response to this disaster by the feds has been both inadequate and inept. They're the ones in charge, I don't expect my mayor to plow the streets himself when it snows but I expect him to get it done.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:07:46am |
WASHINGTON — Weeks before the world had ever heard of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig, President Barack Obama stood in the Roosevelt Room of the White House poring over maps of oil drilling sites in the Gulf of Mexico, Alaska and elsewhere.
Satisfied that he knew all he needed to know and confident that it was safe, he decided to propose expanded offshore drilling.
"This is not a decision that I've made lightly," he said when he unveiled his proposal on March 31.
"Oil rigs today generally don't cause spills," he added two days later. "They are technologically very advanced. Even during Katrina, the spills didn't come from the oil rigs, they came from the refineries onshore."
BO is either very stupid, or denying the facts right in front of his face, or facts he should have known....he's either lying or incredibly incompetent
Read more: [Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]
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Varek Raith Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:08:38am |
re: #424 RogueOne
I don't blame Obama for an oil rig explosion anymore than I blamed Bush for 9/11 but the response to this disaster by the feds has been both inadequate and inept. They're the ones in charge, I don't expect my mayor to plow the streets himself when it snows but I expect him to get it done.
So, what should the Feds do?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:08:57am |
re: #410 Reginald Perrin
Bush may have left office, but Rolling Stone will have BDS forever.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:08:58am |
re: #419 Reginald Perrin
What?
That is the unedited title posted at the top of the web-page.
so what's your point?....am I supposed to deduce it from your rude snark?
btw, you don't count, don't bother to reply
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:09:18am |
re: #420 Killgore Trout
He has ODS, so that's not surprising. I already know he hates Obama so there's not much reason to read his stuff. I already know what's in it.
You're probably being too hard on albusteve.
/
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:09:28am |
re: #416 Nimed
Are you of the opinion that he ever had? I'm trying to think of the left-wing correspondent to Mark Steyn. I can only think of Frank Rich, but Mark Steyn is far more vacuous. He is a writer of wingnut prose poetry. Adherence to facts is not required in the craft.
I was never a huge fan of his but I used to take him somewhat seriously. He used to write about a variety of topics. Now he just writes about how much he hates Obama so I just don't bother. I guess the point that I completely gave up on him was an article he wrote about the stimulus. He claimed that the US was the only country to pass an economic stimulus bill. A quick google showed he was just blatantly lying. I haven't read him since.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:10:51am |
re: #418 albusteve
it's too late for the Gulf...the damage is practically unstoppable now
First reaction
It's not too late for the gulf! I wanna smack you..
Then I watch on TV how bad it is for the wildlife...And my heart sinks...
It's like watching the World bleed out Steve...
Morning
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:11:15am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:11:57am |
re: #431 HoosierHoops
First reaction
It's not too late for the gulf! I wanna smack you..
Then I watch on TV how bad it is for the wildlife...And my heart sinks...
It's like watching the World bleed out Steve...
Morning
I can't even bring myself to look at the pictures. I've been kinda hiding from the story, just too depressing.
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RogueOne Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:13:34am |
re: #426 Varek Raith
They could have let the dutch help on day 3, Allen could know where to get absorbent boom instead of having Jake Tapper have to give him directions, they could have chosen to not misrepresent exactly what they were told on day 1, they could have chosen to take charge.....
A couple weeks ago or so I said on these boards that there wasn't much Obama could be doing differently, I was wrong. Every other day we're finding out from a variety of left/center/right sources and politicians how inept this has been handled. It's snowballing badly.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:15:11am |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
I can't even bring myself to look at the pictures. I've been kinda hiding from the story, just too depressing.
same with me....earlier in the week the ABQ Journal carried the picture of the distressed pelican on the front page....wings spread out, head raised screaming in grief...all dripping in oil...I came unglued, I lost it
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:15:21am |
I just know you guys are dying to know the odds for the winner of Group C in the World Cup:
England 1.39
USA 5.66
Slovenia 13.00
Algeria 23.00
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:15:55am |
re: #426 Varek Raith
So, what should the Feds do?
How about putting someone in charge who can get things done. Remember General Russel L. Honore? Also they should get every fucking skimmer available in the world down to the Gulf right away. A lot of countries have offered help since the start of this disaster and nobody in the government seems to show any signs of leadership to find a way to get them in the Gulf.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:17:19am |
re: #436 Nimed
I just know you guys are dying to know the odds for the winner of Group C in the World Cup:
England 1.39
USA 5.66
Slovenia 13.00
Algeria 23.00
All that Matters in Group E
Go Netherlands!
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:18:25am |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
I can't even bring myself to look at the pictures. I've been kinda hiding from the story, just too depressing.
If there is a silver lining to this very dark cloud, it may be that this spill will serve as a wake-up call. For too long the environmental movement has been portrayed by a lot of the press and by most right wing politicians, as far left wing moonbats.
Maybe now people will understand that some regulations are necessary and that those regulations should be rigorously enforced.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:18:27am |
Also, if you want to make big bucks by betting in North Korea, here's the chance of a lifetime:
Brazil 1.57
Portugal 4.52
Ivory Coast 6.70
North Korea 143
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:18:39am |
re: #434 RogueOne
They could have let the dutch help on day 3, Allen could know where to get absorbent boom instead of having Jake Tapper have to give him directions, they could have chosen to not misrepresent exactly what they were told on day 1, they could have chosen to take charge...
A couple weeks ago or so I said on these boards that there wasn't much Obama could be doing differently, I was wrong. Every other day we're finding out from a variety of left/center/right sources and politicians how inept this has been handled. It's snowballing badly.
agreed...the feds should never have trusted BP with their record of lying and getting people killed...from RS, it's like having the drunk that caused the accident, lead the investigation....and BO is directly responsible
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:19:03am |
re: #435 albusteve
same with me...earlier in the week the ABQ Journal carried the picture of the distressed pelican on the front page...wings spread out, head raised screaming in grief...all dripping in oil...I came unglued, I lost it
After reading the article and seeing those images, if (proverbial) heads do not roll, at the hands of this administration I will certainly become a devout critic of this President.
Anyone who wants to call that ODS can kiss my dead oily pelican.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:19:16am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:19:20am |
re: #437 NJDhockeyfan
How about putting someone in charge who can get things done. Remember General Russel L. Honore? Also they should get every fucking skimmer available in the world down to the Gulf right away. A lot of countries have offered help since the start of this disaster and nobody in the government seems to show any signs of leadership to find a way to get them in the Gulf.
Honore's been mostly acting as a CNN commentator, though he has done some coordination of private aid efforts. I'd love him to take a more high-profile role, hoping that such a role would provide a stepping stone to high office. BP, meanwhile, remains stuck on stupid.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:19:55am |
re: #441 albusteve
agreed...the feds should never have trusted BP with their record of lying and getting people killed...from RS, it's like having the drunk that caused the accident, lead the investigation...and BO is directly responsible
There was the famous Exxon resonse to the Exxon Valdez spill: that the captain was drunk at the time.
then it came out that the captain had a record of alcoholism and that Exxon was aware of it all along...
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:20:00am |
re: #437 NJDhockeyfan
How about putting someone in charge who can get things done. Remember General Russel L. Honore? Also they should get every fucking skimmer available in the world down to the Gulf right away. A lot of countries have offered help since the start of this disaster and nobody in the government seems to show any signs of leadership to find a way to get them in the Gulf.
the admin doesn't even return calls in many cases
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bratwurst Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:21:31am |
re: #405 Killgore Trout
Mark Steyn hasn't had anything interesting to say for a very long time.
The type of intellectual dishonesty he employs to defend Rush Limbaugh's obvious racism is SORTA interesting.
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RogueOne Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:22:19am |
re: #441 albusteve
agreed...the feds should never have trusted BP with their record of lying and getting people killed...from RS, it's like having the drunk that caused the accident, lead the investigation...and BO is directly responsible
He is the guy in charge. He wanted this job, right or wrong the response in on his head.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:22:36am |
The asshole right wing bloggers, led by Ace of Spades, are now lying outright about me, saying I have a reputation for stealing other people's work without attribution. This is completely false, of course, but that's how ugly and evil-minded these people are.
In fact, Ace of Spades once emailed me to tell me that he would steal stories from "Sweetness and Light" and deliberately not attribute them, because he didn't like the guy who ran the blog. I don't like that guy either, he's a real putz, but I do not steal his stories.
In short Ace of Spades is not just a liar, he's a rank hypocrite, accusing me of things he boasted about doing himself.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:22:39am |
re: #443 Nimed
:O
Where's your patriotism?
This month I'm a Citizen of the world...Next month it's back to normal..
Let's drop the big one and see what happens..
*wink*
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:22:41am |
re: #445 ralphieboy
There was the famous Exxon resonse to the Exxon Valdez spill: that the captain was drunk at the time.
then it came out that the captain had a record of alcoholism and that Exxon was aware of it all along...
I remember...zig zagging into the harbor, trying to find the channel
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:24:20am |
0re: #446 albusteve
the admin doesn't even return calls in many cases
I saw that on the news. Pathetic.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:24:32am |
re: #449 Charles
The asshole right wing bloggers, led by Ace of Spades, are now lying outright about me, saying I have a reputation for stealing other people's work without attribution. This is completely false, of course, but that's how ugly and evil-minded these people are.
In fact, Ace of Spades once emailed me to tell me that he would steal stories from "Sweetness and Light" and deliberately not attribute them, because he didn't like the guy who ran the blog. I don't like that guy either, he's a real putz, but I do not steal his stories.
In short Ace of Spades is not just a liar, he's a rank hypocrite, accusing me of things he boasted about doing himself.
They're actually accusing you of "stealing" their stories, claiming them as your own, and taking credit away from them?
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:25:18am |
re: #448 RogueOne
He is the guy in charge. He wanted this job, right or wrong the response in on his head.
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Nimed Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:26:01am |
re: #450 HoosierHoops
This month I'm a Citizen of the world...Next month it's back to normal..
Let's drop the big one and see what happens..
*wink*
:)
Hey, I'm just happy somebody around here has a passing interest in the World Cup.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:26:14am |
re: #449 Charles
The asshole right wing bloggers, led by Ace of Spades, are now lying outright about me, saying I have a reputation for stealing other people's work without attribution. This is completely false, of course, but that's how ugly and evil-minded these people are.
In fact, Ace of Spades once emailed me to tell me that he would steal stories from "Sweetness and Light" and deliberately not attribute them, because he didn't like the guy who ran the blog. I don't like that guy either, he's a real putz, but I do not steal his stories.
In short Ace of Spades is not just a liar, he's a rank hypocrite, accusing me of things he boasted about doing himself.
It's a coordinated offensive. They're seeking to keep you from gaining the Reuters story. They hate for denouncing them and don't want their readers exposed to them. See if any blogs will post a defense of you. For this sort of fight, you need allies.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:26:15am |
re: #453 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
They're actually accusing you of "stealing" their stories, claiming them as your own, and taking credit away from them?
No..They have not actually broke any of their own stories...
They give peanut galleries a bad name..
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:27:19am |
re: #449 Charles
The asshole right wing bloggers, led by Ace of Spades, are now lying outright about me, saying I have a reputation for stealing other people's work without attribution. This is completely false, of course, but that's how ugly and evil-minded these people are.
In fact, Ace of Spades once emailed me to tell me that he would steal stories from "Sweetness and Light" and deliberately not attribute them, because he didn't like the guy who ran the blog. I don't like that guy either, he's a real putz, but I do not steal his stories.
In short Ace of Spades is not just a liar, he's a rank hypocrite, accusing me of things he boasted about doing himself.
I think they're jealous Fox News gave you credit for breaking the story.
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RogueOne Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:27:41am |
re: #446 albusteve
the admin doesn't even return calls in many cases
I thought that read "doesn't even return "my" calls" which struck me funny and caused an upding that I now find was in error. Is there a "PIMF" acronym for a mistake in reading comprehension?
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:28:24am |
re: #455 Nimed
:)
Hey, I'm just happy somebody around here has a passing interest in the World Cup.
I was working in Europe during the last world cup..Love the dutch and came home with the orange 2006 uniform....It hangs proudly with all my sports jerseys and gear.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:29:14am |
re: #459 RogueOne
I thought that read "doesn't even return "my" calls" which struck me funny and caused an upding that I now find was in error. Is there a "PIMF" acronym for a mistake in reading comprehension?
PNMF: Please Note My Fuck-up
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:29:40am |
re: #457 HoosierHoops
No..They have not actually broke any of their own stories...
They give peanut galleries a bad name..
What I'm getting at is the mind-bogglingly asinine claim that they're the ones "breaking" stories they've been stealing wholesale from Charles, posting them on their sites without attribution, and that Charles is the one trying to "steal" credit from them.
"We're going to need a lot more hemp before we're through."
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:30:45am |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
It's a coordinated offensive. They're seeking to keep you from gaining the Reuters story. They hate for denouncing them and don't want their readers exposed to them. See if any blogs will post a defense of you. For this sort of fight, you need allies.
I don't think there is much of a possibility of support from other blogs. The Lefties won't cover the story because it makes the Peace Activists look bad. Wingnuts won't cover it because it makes LGF look good. Nobody's really interested in honesty.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:31:03am |
re: #449 Charles
The asshole right wing bloggers, led by Ace of Spades, are now lying outright about me, saying I have a reputation for stealing other people's work without attribution. This is completely false, of course, but that's how ugly and evil-minded these people are.
In fact, Ace of Spades once emailed me to tell me that he would steal stories from "Sweetness and Light" and deliberately not attribute them, because he didn't like the guy who ran the blog. I don't like that guy either, he's a real putz, but I do not steal his stories.
In short Ace of Spades is not just a liar, he's a rank hypocrite, accusing me of things he boasted about doing himself.
if you have that email...post it
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:31:53am |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
It's a coordinated offensive. They're seeking to keep you from gaining the Reuters story. They hate for denouncing them and don't want their readers exposed to them. See if any blogs will post a defense of you. For this sort of fight, you need allies.
Well said
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:33:13am |
re: #463 Killgore Trout
I don't think there is much of a possibility of support from other blogs. The Lefties won't cover the story because it makes the Peace Activists look bad. Wingnuts won't cover it because it makes LGF look good. Nobody's really interested in honesty.
Then the charge is likely to stick. This sort of smear offensive normally works against an isolated target.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:34:12am |
re: #466 Dark_Falcon
Then the charge is likely to stick. This sort of smear offensive normally works against an isolated target.
Surely an effective counter can be put together...?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:34:22am |
re: #464 albusteve
if you have that email...post it
I do have the email, and I think I will post it.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:35:00am |
Ultimately, BP is responsible for causing this horrific disaster, and we will hold the company fully accountable and demand that it pay back every dime for the damage caused and lives disrupted. BP has agreed to cover the costs for the people, property and natural resources impacted by the spill -- and we will make sure it delivers on that promise
BO says all this now, well after the fact
we'll see...who's going to determine "lives disrupted"?....BP is doomed
[Link: www.nola.com...]
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:35:21am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:36:36am |
re: #449 Charles
I have only read the blog Sweetness and light once from a link about Larry Johnson and the infamous Whitey tape...
He just shredded him..It was a great post...I left noquarter after the Whitey tape affair.
You are not going to believe this but ex-CIA bloggers lie as much as the agency does
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:36:50am |
VENICE, La. — Professor Peter Lutz is listed in BP’s 2009 response plan for a Gulf of Mexico oil spill as a national wildlife expert. He died in 2005.
Under the heading “sensitive biological resources,” the plan lists marine mammals including walruses, sea otters, sea lions and seals. None lives anywhere near the Gulf.
The names and phone numbers of several Texas A&M University marine life specialists are wrong. So are the numbers for marine mammal stranding network offices in Louisiana and Florida, which are no longer in service.
BP PLC’s 582-page regional spill plan for the Gulf, and its 52-page, site-specific plan for the Deepwater Horizon rig are riddled with omissions and glaring errors, according to an Associated Press analysis that details how BP officials have pretty much been making it up as they go along. The lengthy plans approved by the federal government last year before BP drilled its ill-fated well vastly understate the dangers posed by an uncontrolled leak and vastly overstate the company’s preparedness to deal with one.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, reacting to the AP story, said Wednesday he was angry and frustrated.
“Look, it’s obvious to everybody in south Louisiana that they didn’t have a plan, they didn’t have an adequate plan to deal with this spill,” Jindal said. “They didn’t anticipate the BOP (blowout preventer) failure. They didn’t anticipate this much oil hitting our coast. From the very first days, they kept telling us, ’Don’t worry, the oil’s not going to make it to your coast.”’
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:38:09am |
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:41:41am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:44:23am |
re: #474 albusteve
it's Sat...does that matter?
Deserves it's own thread...
Then I can go off on Ace..He is a putz
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:47:38am |
My new Favorite Soccer player is now
Shittu
I need that jersey
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:47:57am |
re: #476 HoosierHoops
My new Favorite Soccer player is now
Shittu
I need that jersey
I Shittu....not!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:48:09am |
re: #467 Rightwingconspirator
Surely an effective counter can be put together...?
No, not without allies. You need people in your corner who will testify that you are honest, otherwise the flood of charges of 'dishonesty' will taint you. It's not something that can be fought off on your own.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:52:06am |
This is alarming if true...
Lebanese Threaten Mass March on Israeli Border
The anti-Israel flotilla has turned the tide of world opinion against Israel, Fatah leaders in Lebanon say, and the time is ripe for a mass civilian charge against Israel’s border.Mounir Al-Makdah, a leading Fatah leader in Lebanon, says plans are being made for a mass charge against Israel’s northern border. “What can Israel do,” he asks, “kill the entire Palestinian nation [sic]?”
“And even if they kill all those who take part in the march, the number of remaining Palestinians will still be more than all the Jews in the world.”
Al-Makdah told the Lebanese newspaper Al-Sapir that the plans for the march are being made via letters to thousands of “Palestinians” living around the world inviting them to take part. “It could be that they will just break through the border, with their children and their elderly. What will Israel be able to do?”
“A wind of change has begun to blow,” he said, “and Israel has begun to be a yoke not only for the Palestinian nation, but for the whole world.”
“The freedom flotilla brings a message of the beginning of the end of Israel,” Al-Makdah said.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:52:07am |
Decided to go to the source and read the list of "charges," and apparently it all amounts to butt hurt. One of the whines is about Memogate, namely the perception that Charles was the only blog who got recognized for blowing the lid on the whole deal. Now, having been around and active when that whole deal went down, I remember it quite clearly being a collective effort amongst fellow blogs, not a competition to be the first to "break" the story. That if it hadn't been for sites like LGF and Powerline picking up the story and looking into it, the whole thing would have fallen apart on the rocks of FreeRepublic's questionable reliability. And that it was the infamous "Throbbing Memo," along with users on multiple blogs with the history and experience to back up the accusations, that hammered the final nail in the coffin.
This sounds like something that's been stewing awhile, more envy and outrage that LGF didn't join formerly allied blogs in swerving into ODS, than any real accusations.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:52:27am |
re: #477 ralphieboy
I Shittu...not!
I'm going back to the FIFA site and finding that jersey from Nigeria!
Can you imagine wearing that jersey playing church league basketball?
BTW..Most guys that play in the Church league are real p*ssys..
Always bitching about being fouled..constantly..
Look Pal..Jesus isn't guarding you tonight...
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:53:49am |
re: #481 HoosierHoops
I'm going back to the FIFA site and finding that jersey from Nigeria!
Can you imagine wearing that jersey playing church league basketball?
BTW..Most guys that play in the Church league are real p*ssys..
Always bitching about being fouled..constantly..
Look Pal..Jesus isn't guarding you tonight...
Then you're on the wrong pitch:
[Link: www.stjudeshop.com...]
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Donna Ballard Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:54:51am |
Good Morning and Happy Saturday to you all! I just want to remind everyone that today is RWC's 50th Birthday and I know it would mean a lot if you would all wish him a Happy Birthday. He's outside at the moment taking pics of the Humming Birds that are flitting around the flax flowers. Were going hiking in a couple of hours so I'm not stay on for long.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:56:25am |
re: #483 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning and Happy Saturday to you all! I just want to remind everyone that today is RWC's 50th Birthday and I know it would mean a lot if you would all wish him a Happy Birthday. He's outside at the moment taking pics of the Humming Birds that are flitting around the flax flowers. Were going hiking in a couple of hours so I'm not stay on for long.
Do you ever hike at Big Bear? I have a close friend that lives there
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:57:02am |
re: #479 NJDhockeyfan
This is alarming if true...
Israel is fucked if two or three things converge at once....where are these people getting the balls to do this?...is there weakness out there?, failure by the UN?....certainly
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Donna Ballard Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:59:34am |
re: #484 HoosierHoops
Do you ever hike at Big Bear? I have a close friend that lives there
Its a 3 1/2 hour drive from where we live so that makes it a bit of a streach, we'd have to get a hotel room but that sounds like a great place to hike. We also have friends that live up there.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:00:00am |
(CNN) - According his official schedule, President Obama did not attend the May 25 memorial service in Jackson, Mississippi for the workers who died in the Deepwater Horizon explosion because he was en route to a fundraiser for Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, in San Francisco.
cold blooded asshole
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:00:29am |
re: #479 NJDhockeyfan
This is alarming if true...
That would be an ugly event. Hopefully, the Arabs would make a violent move right at the start, thus justifying Israeli use of force. It would be bloody, no matter what happened.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:01:39am |
re: #483 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning and Happy Saturday to you all! I just want to remind everyone that today is RWC's 50th Birthday and I know it would mean a lot if you would all wish him a Happy Birthday. He's outside at the moment taking pics of the Humming Birds that are flitting around the flax flowers. Were going hiking in a couple of hours so I'm not stay on for long.
Do have him post before you leave so we can properly wish him happy birthday.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:02:43am |
re: #485 albusteve
Israel is fucked if two or three things converge at once...where are these people getting the balls to do this?...is there weakness out there?, failure by the UN?...certainly
It's weird... and with all the support Israel has been getting from the U.S., you would think that everyone would be very afraid of making any kinds of moves.
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Donna Ballard Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:04:10am |
Will do, logging of so he can jump back in. Have a great day everyone and Keel Laughing!
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Donna Ballard Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:04:37am |
re: #491 Dragon_Lady
Will do, logging of so he can jump back in. Have a great day everyone and Keel Laughing!
PMIF!!!!! Keep Laughing!
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:07:36am |
re: #489 Dark_Falcon
Hi DF!
Thanks!
I guess I have been age outed.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:08:08am |
re: #493 Rightwingconspirator
Hi DF!
Thanks!
I guess I have been age outed.
Happy getting closer to the end day... :)
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:08:41am |
re: #490 Walter L. Newton
It's weird... and with all the support Israel has been getting from the U.S., you would think that everyone would be very afraid of making any kinds of moves.
They think they have a winning strategy. They think that the media will portray their march as the rough equivalent of the Civil Rights Marches. They might be right in that assumption, unless Israel can very promptly get out the images of Jew-Hate sure to be on display. And by swiftly I mean: before the event even ends, they need to be getting those pictures out.
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:08:51am |
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albusteve Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:08:56am |
re: #490 Walter L. Newton
It's weird... and with all the support Israel has been getting from the U.S., you would think that everyone would be very afraid of making any kinds of moves.
a real headscratcher....maybe some resident prog could explain it to us
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:09:40am |
re: #493 Rightwingconspirator
Hi DF!
Thanks!
I guess I have been age outed.
Happy Birthday, RWC! Enjoy the hiking.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:10:11am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:10:48am |
BBIAB... got to drill a hole in a rock...
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Targetpractice Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:12:20am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
BBIAB... got to drill a hole in a rock...
Is that what they're calling it these days?
///
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Political Atheist Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:15:23am |
re: #498 Dark_Falcon
Will do. La Tuna canyon I think, although we are all gray today. I may change plans and get far enough up hill to get above the clouds. San Gabriel mountains maybe. With a little help from the wildlife I can get some photography done, or some good SLR-HD video.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:48:48am |
re: #419 Reginald Perrin
What?
That is the unedited title posted at the top of the web-page.
Right, I understood that.
Stupid headline.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:50:34am |
re: #331 Ojoe
IMHO the military solution to Iran's nuclear threat can come none too soon.
And (if such should be the case) little Israel does the heavy loading while the world looks on - before complaining to the UN.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:51:51am |
re: #335 Obdicut
And a 13 year old girl just got sentenced to 90 lashes in Saudi Arabia, our partners in peace.
Her crime was bringing a cellphone to school, and hitting the headmistress after she took it away.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Obsession with control of women is a sure sign of cultural sickness.
And here's another from Saudi Arabia:
[Link: www.saudigazette.com.sa...]
A hundred lashes for being raped and trying to abort the baby.
And she's being forced to have the baby, of course.
But Saudi Arabia our our partners in peace.
Don't their arms ever get tired?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:56:04am |
re: #506 ryannon
We should be in a position of telling Saudi Arabia that we will not give them our trade and technology until they take steps modernize their society and politics.
But we have put ourselves in almost the opposit position. They can impose their religion and politics on us and we have to go along if we want their resources.
And let us not forget that 15 of the 19 9/11 assailants came from there, influenced by the sort of Wahabite fundamentalism that is financed by the money they earn from selling us oil.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:18:13pm |
re: #487 albusteve
Everyone knows what's been happening to candidates that POTUS has flown in to ' rescue ' lately.
Kiss o' death.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:24:09pm |
re: #469 albusteve
Here's an encouraging sign, at least early on, re BP doing what's right... I just sent it to my Dad and told him go get in line now, in case he has summer cancellations.
(Although if he has cancellations, more time for us, so it's a wash.)
[Link: www.thedestinlog.com...]
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